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#rockbox log for 2006-05-04

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00:08:54goffalooks like a netsplit
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00:09:19goffajust over a period of 15 mins though :)
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00:29:39muesli__btw when you set foreground color to white cos ur using a dark background system messages cant be read due they still appear in black
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00:30:26iPod_Nanosgenre? Can u pm me the first registration command once again? Sorry for beeing a pain..
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00:49:44goffadamn.. these had better sound good ... even if they are diamond encrusted
00:50:35Moosthat just ipods can made this kind of silly things ;-P
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00:51:13Moos: )
00:51:23goffaat least when you spend money on shure e5c you get good sound
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00:51:42goffabut i'm guessing these are just your standard ipod phones with diamonds encrusted
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00:51:53goffaa fool and his money ...
00:51:59Mooshehe :)
00:52:20Moossome people can say the same for us with mutitudes of DAPs... ;)
00:52:46goffayeah... i dunno.. i can write that off as function
00:53:01Moosbut anyway time for some sleep here
00:53:02goffabut with the diamonds maybe you get a lot of... ;)
00:53:16Moosc you guys
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01:09:13ZigmobOk works fine :)
01:10:05ZigmobAnyone here who can help me with a difficult iPod 5G + rockbox situation?
01:11:08Presencewhats up?
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01:14:08ZigmobEhm my iPod isn't recognized anymore by my pc (winxp)
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01:14:29Zigmobor by itune, updater, hpformatting tool etc.
01:14:49Presencewhy isn't it being detected?
01:15:15Zigmobwhenever i connect trough usb or firewire it reboots from rockbox into diskmode
01:15:20Zigmoblike it should be
01:15:46Zigmobbut then it shows do not disconnect for 2 secs and then it shows OK to disconnect
01:16:15Zigmobit doesn't show up as a drive in explorer or anything like that
01:16:19Presenceyeah, that happened to me once. I had to power cycle my PC. complete power off, including the power switch on the power supply of the PC itself. reset the USB "stuff" on the motherboard.
01:16:57Zigmobbut on other pc's it also wont work
01:17:08Presencehas it ever worked on the other computers?
01:17:40Genre9mp3sh*t!!! it's the second time today that I go to battery test instead of battery bench plugin!
01:17:43Zigmobit has worked on my computer, but i only tested it on other pc's when it didn't work with mine
01:18:46Presenceand by "Tested it on other pc's", you mean, you don't have a baseline if those other computers did work with the iPod okay?
01:19:08Presenceregardless, yer not in rockbox territory, its a hardware failure on your PC.
01:19:20Presenceseriously, reboot your box with a complete power cycle.
01:19:56Zigmobbut it also didn't work on other pc's, woh is that to be explained
01:19:59Presenceif you wanna continue to fault rockbox, do the thing where ou boot into Apple's retail firmware, then plug into a usb port again, so yer within apple's shell when it drops to USB disk mode.
01:20:41Zigmobthat doesn't work, it just starts charging then
01:20:48Presenceyou know that one computer has worked with youripod for sure. So focus on that one computer then.
01:20:55Presenceand power cycle the fucker.
01:20:57Genre9mp3I hate this battery_test and the useless battery.dummy 30MB file it creates....
01:21:22Zigmobbut now it doesn't work on any computer, sorry if i havent been clear on that
01:21:43Presencehas it ever worked on those other computers? you said earlier that it hadn't worked on other computers at all ever.
01:21:55Zigmobi can get into apple firmware diskmode through selct+pause
01:22:36Zigmobit worked on mine, and when it stopped working, i tried other computers and there it also doesn't work
01:23:01Presenceso, again, ignore those other computers. Maybe they don't provide enough power, maybe they're USB 1.x
01:23:11Presencefocus on your box, which you know has worked, and reboot it.
01:23:32Zigmobokay 10q
01:23:38Zigmobwill give that a try
01:23:43Presencetry shoving a USB thumbdrive thing into that USB port on your computer, does it work?
01:24:09Zigmobis that a usbstick or anything?
01:24:15Presenceyou know, the little USB "disk drive" thingies that are like 16 or 64 megabytes and shit.
01:24:24Presencetry one of those, I betcha it won't work either.
01:25:41Zigmobmy iPod mini does work...
01:26:02Presenceon the same USB port on your computer?
01:26:35Presencehow's the battery on your iPod 5thGen?
01:26:36Zigmobwierd haye
01:27:06Zigmobit actually works quite fine
01:27:19PresenceI mean, you have plenty of battery power?
01:27:24Zigmoballthough i have the feeling it charges really slow through usb
01:27:41Zigmobthrough firewire it charges quicker
01:27:46Zigmobbut full power yes
01:28:00Presenceyeah, USB charging is slow as hell.
01:28:09Presencewelp, you've stumped my level 1 tech support.
01:28:24Presenceyou'll need to join #rockbox.level2 for advanced tech support.
01:28:38Zigmoboke thanx anyway for the attempt
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01:29:39Presencestill think you should reboot, though.
01:29:58Zigmobill try that anyway
01:31:10Zigmobbtw rockbox.level2 doesn't exist right?
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01:31:34Presencehaha, indeed it does not.
01:32:00Zigmobit was quite empty in their :)
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02:00:25goffawhee... read an article in linux journal on how to convert your audio files to mp3 for itunes
02:00:37goffai dropped the author a hint about rockbox
02:00:48goffamaybe it'll be in the journal next month :)
02:01:11goffacross conversion is the devil >:)
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02:01:49Galoislinux journal has gone evil anyway
02:01:55Galoisever since they hosed linux gazette
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02:02:08goffaer.. sorry
02:02:11goffalinux magazine
02:02:23goffayeah... i dropped my lj subscription in favor of lm
02:02:36goffai'm more of a newbie.. so it speaks to me more :)
02:03:01goffagotta have reading for the john...
02:03:10goffaso far i have lm and mental floss
02:04:49goffathat was probably tmi
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02:04:58goffabut i had to plug mental floss too
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02:07:29criminyIf I were to checkout rockbox from cvs and edit it, I'm assuming there is no way to test the build unless I send it to an audio device?
02:07:44sharpethe simulator...
02:07:45goffathere's the sim
02:08:01criminyoh, nice
02:09:08criminythanks. I'd like to look around in the code and hopefully do something productive.
02:09:26sharpewow, coming up on one page of notes on something i have to... teach, i suppose...
02:09:33sharpefront and back...
02:09:33goffacool deal criminy
02:10:05goffawhat's that?
02:11:03goffa wow, coming up on one page of notes on something i have to...
02:11:11goffa teach, i suppose...
02:11:17goffawas asking about that
02:11:24sharpelaw of sines.
02:11:40goffabetter you than me :)
02:12:31sharpeshould i include the part in the section about the law of sines, about finding the area of an oblique triangle?
02:12:51goffacould be useful
02:13:00sharpei suppose
02:13:24goffamy geometry class consisted of watching lots of cartoons and playing taipei(mah jong) on a mac
02:13:35goffateacher was going through a divorce
02:13:41goffawe had a sub for half the semester
02:13:44CrazysimI wonder why the original firmware is so tempermentally loaded when using the rockbox loader
02:13:48goffaand when he got back.. he was on lithium
02:13:54goffaand cartoons were more important
02:14:10goffawas fun at the time
02:14:17goffabut i can't say that it helped me
02:14:21goffaesp when i got into calc
02:14:24sharpemine was filled with... work... although i did get out of a writing assignment for grading papers.
02:15:02goffai think i would have rather learned something
02:15:23sharpemine wasn't that bad though... teacher didn't care if i showed work or not
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02:16:19sharpei could fit each problem on one line... heh...
02:16:31goffathat's cool
02:16:35scott666_my geometry class was like 50% proofs
02:16:47sharpenever had to do any proofs
02:16:56goffayeah... what little we had involved a lot of proofs
02:17:02goffauntil he had his breakdown
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02:18:22goffayeah.. he remaried like a year later... took his wife's last name
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02:18:50sharpedon't hear of that too often
02:18:58goffano.. first i heard of it
02:19:11scott666_he sounds like a stable fellow
02:19:24goffauh... yeah
02:19:37goffahouse of cards in the wind.. with windows running on top
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02:20:29sharpenow i have to figure out what homework to give.
02:20:45goffatime to assure the neighbors are awake (drum practice)
02:20:51goffagood luck with class sharpe
02:20:57sharpeheh, thanks
02:20:57scott666_problems 1-12 and then 13-43 odd
02:21:26goffathe wierd questions .. or every other ones?
02:21:31*goffa dodges rotten tomatos
02:21:50scott666_which ever ones dont have the answers in the back of the book
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02:21:58sharpei think i'll just do... two for each example covered... one even, one odd...
02:22:24sharpeabout ten problems
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02:34:53Genre9mp3Any chance for a rockbox port to iPod flea?
02:35:35Crazysimis that a SNL refrence
02:36:07Genre9mp3hehe...check this:
02:36:27sharpeit's about the same status as the shuffle port
02:37:53Crazysimah, is there any known issue out about booting to the original firmware for the mini 2g?
02:38:10sharpecouldn't tell you.
02:40:19sharpei wouldn't think there is, though...
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02:48:54Genre9mp3For anyone not convinced yet for what they say about the iPod users (come on know what they say) just check this:
02:49:05Genre9mp3sorry...I couldn't resist..
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02:51:51afruff23does the X5 have a stop fucntion?
02:52:09goffai never thought i'd see bush and ipod in the same sentence
02:52:13goffawaiting for vid to load
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02:52:29afruff23I can only get play, pause, ffwd, and rewind to work
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02:52:37afruff23does stop exist on the X5?
02:52:46YvesStLrnthey can anyone help me with rockbox??
02:52:47goffaafruff23: don't think so
02:53:19goffaits not really needed imo
02:53:24YvesStLrntI put the bootloader bin file in my Firmware map, I installed it by turning on the charger, and I put the .rocbkox folder in my ROOT folder..
02:53:24goffapause works
02:53:29goffarewind works
02:53:50goffadid you put rockbox.iaudio into your root folder?
02:53:54goffaor whatever player
02:54:06YvesStLrnt1 map, 1 file
02:54:20YvesStLrntand x5_fw.bin in Firmware
02:54:28YvesStLrntis that the right way?
02:54:50YvesStLrntI put different WPS files in the .rockbox map too
02:54:53goffathen it should act like you are upgrading the firmware
02:55:04YvesStLrntyes - it said upgrading firmware..
02:55:09qwmmap. hehe. are you swedish YvesStLrnt ?
02:55:15YvesStLrntno. dutch:)
02:55:26YvesStLrnt:P but..can you help me?
02:55:28goffashould boot into it then
02:55:40goffatry shutting your player off and turning it back on
02:55:43qwmYvesStLrnt: not really, but i can suggest you use the word "directory" instead of "map". ;)
02:56:04YvesStLrntI shut off..Turn it on again
02:56:20YvesStLrntI see the list like: Firmware MOVIE MUSIC PICTURE playlist.. (..) rockbox
02:56:33YvesStLrntwhere is the wps directory
02:56:40goffashould be inside .rockbox
02:56:47YvesStLrntbut how do i get there
02:56:59goffaum.. hold the record button
02:57:09goffaon the quick menu show all files
02:57:17criminyI'm getting a make error on firmware/sysfont.o ?
02:57:36criminyis this normal/ like, I've skipped a step?
02:57:52YvesStLrntI see
02:58:08YvesStLrntuhm do I go to themes or wps
02:58:23goffatap the record button
02:58:27goffago to browse themes
02:58:55goffashould be in there
02:58:59criminyoh, okay. The wiki doesn't say anything about co fonts
02:59:02goffaif you put the file in the right folder
02:59:09YvesStLrnt.cfg or .wps?
02:59:27YvesStLrnti clicked cfg
02:59:36YvesStLrntah I see something:P
03:00:16YvesStLrntwhy does the screen turn black in like 3 sec?
03:00:35goffaum.. general settings
03:00:40goffajust a sec
03:00:55goffadisplay -> lcd
03:01:02goffaand backlight while plugged in
03:01:04goffaset those to higher
03:01:33YvesStLrntwhere i find that , display?
03:01:44goffaunder general settings when you tap record
03:01:54afruff23I keep getting a message "codec failure" in the X5 uisimulator
03:01:59afruff23the files are perfectly normal
03:02:06YvesStLrntthank you man
03:02:12goffano prob
03:02:15afruff23they work on the X5 itself
03:03:36YvesStLrntgoffa, are you a programmer for rockbox/
03:07:24goffanot even close :)
03:07:28afruff23WTF is up with the X5 uisim?
03:07:32goffajust a rabid fan :)
03:07:35afruff23it was working fine jsut a few secodns ago
03:07:55sharpei'm working on a plugin for rockbox... yay me... ahah...
03:07:56goffathe programmers often hang out here
03:08:20*goffa is thinking of learning of c just for the purpose of playing with rockbox
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03:10:46YvesStLrntanyone know where I can download Metronome Plugin
03:10:58sharpeit's in the rockbox install, isn't it?
03:11:18sharpeunless it was randomly removed...
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03:12:44sharpeaccording to the latest estimate, US movie studios are losing 6.1 $ billion annually in global wholesale revenue to piracy...
03:12:56BHSPitLappyo noes.
03:13:27BHSPitLappyhonestly, do they think that all people who download dvd's, would have bought the dvd if they couldn't download them?
03:13:51BHSPitLappyif I downloaded a movie, it'd be because I didn't think it was worth renting/buying.
03:14:07BHSPitLappyif I want the movie, I want the nice case and label and all.
03:14:23sharpebecause cases are cool.
03:14:58sharpethey're also counting that copies made from a bought movie as a loss to piracy
03:15:06sharpethat were made...
03:17:03YvesStLrntdoes anyone know how to play doom
03:17:04BHSPitLappyhahaha ->
03:17:06sharpeohes noes! wal mark is preparing to put computer parts in stock...
03:17:17BHSPitLappyYvesStLrnt: yeah... shoot everything that moves.
03:17:37afruff23lol, so true
03:17:46afruff23except for doors
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03:17:52goffaYvesStLrnt: did you find it?
03:17:56BHSPitLappywhat do you mean "except for doors"
03:17:58goffashould be in plugins-> metronome
03:18:00BHSPitLappykill those mofos
03:18:15goffaalong with games, etc :)
03:18:31YvesStLrnti created map games/doom
03:18:42YvesStLrntput rockdoom.wad & doom1.wad in it
03:19:15goffawhat error are you getting?
03:19:56YvesStLrntI dont know how to start
03:20:06YvesStLrnti went to plugins
03:20:09goffaplugins ->doom
03:20:09YvesStLrntselected metronome
03:20:18goffaoh... let me go and try it
03:20:58YvesStLrntI selected the doom thing:P
03:22:50goffaah.. metronome.. don't know how to start it
03:23:02YvesStLrntthe only thing it says is: Starting Graphics engine
03:23:07goffai mean the plugin starts... but it won't click
03:23:21goffai haven't tried the doom plugin
03:23:28goffaanyone know if its fully working on the x5?
03:23:31goffai was thinking it was
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03:24:52YvesStLrntwhats metronome by the way?
03:25:06BHSPitLappyYvesStLrnt: a metronome keeps time for musicians
03:25:24YvesStLrntoooooooh i know now
03:25:39YvesStLrntwhat does it has to do with doom, coz i read on forum u have to start metronome and then doom
03:26:40goffaah... i can't get the metronome to start playing
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03:35:09YvesStLrntnor I can Doom..
03:35:24YvesStLrntcan anyone tell me what is Gapless PLayback
03:35:43zigfordits a secret
03:36:13zigfordbetween songs there are no gaps
03:36:38zigfordgreat for albums like pink floyds "The Wall"
03:37:20dongs"greaT" and "pink floyd" in same sentence
03:37:27YvesStLrntwhich Wps do you use
03:37:42zigforddongs: Depends on your mood.
03:37:49zigfordYvesStLrnt: headphones
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03:46:18dongsoh nice. russian.lang got fixed.
03:48:04YvesStLrntzigford: where did you download headphones wps
03:55:51criminyI get out in three weeks? do you think a rockbox video stuff will be decent by then? If not I'll try when I've got the time
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04:01:12*goffa doubts that video will be going in 2 weeks
04:01:17goffaer 3
04:03:20YvesStLrntgoffa why do you use RockBox:P
04:03:26sharpemaybe two months..
04:03:36YvesStLrntcuz its faster/
04:03:45zigfordYvesStLrnt: From the rockbox website
04:03:54goffaYvesStLrnt: musepack codec mainly
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04:04:00goffagames are nice too:)
04:04:19goffaand yeah.. its faster too
04:04:35goffabut aparently mpc is more important than battery life
04:04:50YvesStLrntwots that in a nutshell about the same bitrate as mp3 better sound quality
04:05:21goffaand i have about 20,000 of them
04:06:08goffaso converting to another codec would be inconvenient .. unless i re encoded them.. but then they'd sound like crap
04:06:12goffaas mpc is lossy
04:06:40goffasome of the cds are scratched too.. so reriping is impossible
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04:09:26goffai like the development speed of rockbox compared to cowon too
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04:11:40dongsyes i like how i complained about a bug yesterday and its already fixed.
04:12:46goffayeah... only one thing i don't like about it... and i've got a stop gap fix for now... and it may be changed in next version
04:12:59goffai switched navi and play button actions
04:13:07goffabut i had the freedom to do that
04:13:46goffa for the full idea
04:14:31goffawell i guess i'd like an option to change the default action of the button
04:14:49dongsi want a "stop
04:14:52dongs" button
04:15:17goffadongs: why?
04:15:38goffai mean ... why isn't pause good enough?
04:16:02goffaotherwise back then pause accomplishes the same thing
04:16:05goffamaybe i'm crazy
04:16:08dongscause.. pause is bad!
04:17:03goffawhat button would you use for stop?
04:17:08goffaor would it be a menu option?
04:18:44goffai'm just asking... because i can't really think of a use that would trump one of the current buttons
04:19:53goffayou could have a combo, but it wouldn't be any more effective than back, pause
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04:21:17dongsdoe sthat stop?
04:21:42goffawell... stop does what? stops playback, and reverts to the beginning of the file, right?
04:21:53goffaso... yeah.. essentially
04:21:59dongswell yeah, stop stops playback and released cpu tasks related with decoding.
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04:22:23sharpeno! never! you don't know stop! you lie! stop is stop! you don't quesiton stop! i am incoherent right now! goodnight!
04:22:26dongsi wonder if holding down pause is stop
04:22:38dongsit seems to be that but i cant tell
04:22:39goffaha ha ha sharpe
04:22:58goffayeah... if you pause too long then your player will kick off
04:23:00YvesStLrntif u hold pause]
04:23:03YvesStLrntu go to music list
04:23:16goffaYvesStLrnt: i'm not saying hold pause
04:23:22goffaim saying tap pause in wps
04:23:25dongsYvesStLrnt: that doesnt stop playback?
04:23:27sharpelonely is me tonight.
04:23:34sharpewell, i'm going to sleep. night everyone.
04:23:41goffanight sharpe
04:24:05YvesStLrntow ok sorry :)
04:24:13YvesStLrntwell cya all later
04:24:17goffadongs: try this to know for sure
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04:24:30goffaload an aac file (because that really works the cpu)
04:24:33goffathen pause it
04:24:45goffathen see if jewels or bubbles plays
04:24:53goffawithout chugging
04:25:01goffathen try it while the aac is chopping
04:25:07goffathat would be the truest test i could find
04:25:20goffaotherwise i wouldn't be able to tell the difference
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04:33:52dongsif I wanna test the new language.h fix for languge file buffer, is rockbox.ipod all i need to replace?
04:35:23goffai think you need to replace both rockbox.ipod and .rockbox
04:35:31dongsbut.. but..
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04:36:26goffayou wont turn it into a brick if you try
04:40:31dongswell it worked
04:40:55dongsshit, ipod nano theme doesnt ahve a titlebar but now i can see the default theme does
04:41:02dongsnow i gotta hax it to make it have one :(
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05:19:06dongstry to ask.
05:19:13Angel_of_Deathmy EQ on my iPod used to be set to 4dB for the bass and it was a big diff from 0........ that seemed to just go away one day maybe when i updated... even if i turn the bass up to 9dB the bass doesnt actually get louder
05:19:25Angel_of_Deathive updated a few times since then and the problem hasnt fixed itself
05:19:29Angel_of_Deathany ideas?
05:20:06dongshave you
05:20:09dongsturned on the EQ?
05:20:14dongs(i know, silly question but still)
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05:20:22Angel_of_Deathit's on alright
05:20:28Angel_of_Deathwhen u mess with graphical EQ it changes
05:20:38Angel_of_Deathbut not the bass treble and mid menus
05:20:47dongsah, that im not sure
05:20:52Angel_of_Deathi mean, it says it changed but u cant hear the changfe
05:20:53dongslemme try. i have a nano.
05:21:08dongsworks here.
05:21:11dongsnoticeable difference
05:21:13Angel_of_Deathyeah, used to work
05:21:19Angel_of_Deathwell it gets louder
05:21:20midkayAngel_of_Death, bass/treble never worked correctly.
05:21:22dongsyou mean in Sound Settings/Bass?
05:21:27midkaycurrently they just sort of raise the volume.
05:21:33Angel_of_Deathmidkay, it did for me untill about a week ago
05:21:34dongs(i jsut tried with few hours ago cvs)
05:21:36midkay(maybe that's changed a bit)
05:21:53midkayi haven't touched them recently
05:22:05Angel_of_Deathyeah before when it did work it raised the volume, but u could here the diff in base
05:22:06dongsAngel_of_Death: it "works for me", as far as I can tell.
05:22:10dongsAngel_of_Death: but main EQ is off.
05:22:27midkayAngel_of_Death, there *was* no difference in bass.
05:22:30dongsthough that has no effect.
05:22:36Angel_of_Death no midkay there was
05:22:43Angel_of_Deathmy earphone would rattle
05:22:48Angel_of_Deathwhere as at 0db it doesnt
05:22:48midkay no Angel_of_Death there wasn't
05:22:57midkaythat was the result of the sound being *louder*..
05:23:07Angel_of_Deathlol that did happen
05:23:13Angel_of_Deathbut the base used to go up also....
05:23:22Angel_of_Deathim no dumb shit i know what base is :P
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05:23:51midkayand i know what code is, and the bass-for-iPod portion is nonexistant.
05:23:58dongsso what does it do?
05:24:08Angel_of_Deathwell... something has changed
05:24:12midkayif the little boys and girls want to believe it makes a difference, let them, i suppose..
05:24:21Angel_of_Deathunless under some weird phnomina it worked
05:24:39Angel_of_Deathlol i have a woofer u can tell when the base goes higher
05:24:51midkayah, yes, we've had that a lot lately. it's where code comes out of nowhere and applies itself. rather weird.
05:24:55Angel_of_Deathand plus songs sound empty without boosted base and normal when its on
05:25:00midkaycertainly more plausible than you being mistaken..
05:25:25Angel_of_Deathwell i'de stake my life that it worked lol
05:25:40Angel_of_Deathi went thru 3 or 4 builds with it working
05:25:58dongsmidkay: okay, what happens when i adjust bass now and sound changes?
05:25:59Angel_of_Deathrecently i notied music wasnt sounding as *awesome* and i relized the bass wasnt working anymore
05:26:02dongsdoes it just up the volume?
05:26:05Angel_of_Deathit just goes louder
05:26:09Angel_of_Deathit always did that
05:26:10dongsi see.
05:26:17*dongs doesnt know the difference anyway.
05:26:47midkaydongs, i'm not exactly sure, it only seems to go louder. i've tried it myself and i've asked once and heard numerous times that it only adjusts the volume, though i haven't personally checked the code..
05:27:08dongsare the bass/treble controls for hte hardware adjustment?
05:27:27midkaythey aren't 'for' anything, yet.
05:28:10Angel_of_Deathwell the graphical eq def works
05:28:22Angel_of_Deathbut i could only tell the difference in bass when im wearing my earbuds
05:28:24dongsthat shit is too complicated for people like me
05:28:31Angel_of_Deathcause if u have anything more than sensible bass they rattle
05:28:37Angel_of_Deathas if they are blown out
05:28:45midkayAngel_of_Death, of course, the EQ works.
05:29:02midkaybass and treble do not.
05:29:16Angel_of_Deathi wish i knew which build i used to have..... so i could tell u and u would see lol
05:29:17jncif you put the volume over 70%, it could be distorting
05:29:22jncget a real headphone amp
05:29:25Angel_of_Deathmarch 19th worked
05:29:29midkayAngel_of_Death, i would see what?
05:29:44Angel_of_Deathmidkay do u have an iPod?
05:29:56midkayAngel_of_Death, yes, as a matter of fact, i do.
05:30:09Angel_of_Deathpretty sure it worked with march 19th im gonna install it on my iPod and if it works ill let u knows
05:30:14Angel_of_Deathand u can tell me why it works lol
05:30:36Angel_of_Deathwhat theme do u use midkay?
05:30:48midkaysigh, i guess i'll hunt down the code so you can see for yourself..
05:30:58midkaymy own theme, brushed metal.. well, a modified version..
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05:31:40Angel_of_Deathis there another page besides where u can get builds?
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05:31:51Angel_of_Deaththat only brings me back to begining of lastmonth
05:32:04midkaycvs builds or daily builds.
05:32:09midkaythat's as old as it gets//
05:32:30Angel_of_Deathwell those might have worked i dont remeber
05:32:56midkaythere hasn't been a cvs change to fix it or even change it..
05:33:12Angel_of_Deathwell something happend
05:33:14Angel_of_Deathcause it worked
05:33:30Angel_of_Deathyour just gonna have to belive me :P
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05:34:32midkayhm, let's see.. believe some guy who thinks that bass is working, or believe myself who has asked the question and seen the answer many times.. toughie.
05:35:05midkaywhen do you claim it's working?
05:35:16Angel_of_Deathi know it was working march 19th
05:35:23Angel_of_Deathbut they dont have that build anymore on their site...
05:35:42midkayso you say there has been a definite change since march 19th or so?
05:35:54Angel_of_Deathwell it was working and now its not so i would say so
05:36:10midkayk, we've got today's commit of saving the settings correctly (2006 2 May 21:47)..
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05:36:28midkay2006 29 Mar 07:57's commit of saving them in the first place..
05:36:39midkayand 2006 30 Jan 21:12's first implementation.
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05:37:36Angel_of_Deathdoesnt work 4-1 i just checked
05:40:06Angel_of_Deathbah this frustrates me
05:40:12Angel_of_Deathi know it worked and im not crazy lol!
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05:41:39midkayi guess you can't be convinced..
05:41:57midkayi'd be happy to be proven wrong, but i'm very sure it's not working.
05:42:09Angel_of_Deathdo have a build from 19th of march?
05:42:28midkayno, i could make one..
05:43:21Angel_of_Deathwell if u made one it wouldnt be the same as the build they made then correct?
05:43:53midkayyes it would..
05:43:58Angel_of_Deathhow would u make it
05:44:19midkaycompile it..
05:47:35dongsyou checkout by that date
05:47:37dongsand build it as usual
05:48:01Angel_of_Deathi didnt save my settings before updating ipod to an older build
05:48:41dongsthey will reset with todays cvs anyway
05:49:02Angel_of_Deathwell.... now my font is off on the theme and its using the wrong font
05:49:10Angel_of_Deathand dongs
05:49:17Angel_of_Deathpretty sure one cant be owned by an iPod
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05:50:44Angel_of_Deathmidkay, brother says in march 30 the bass worked...
05:50:52dongswhat theme are you using?
05:50:56midkaybut not april 1? haha.
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05:51:09dongsive been trying to find something nonugly for nano
05:51:18Angel_of_Deathi use ajant blue
05:51:18midkaythat makes it easy to determine..
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05:54:17midkaynothing could have changed it except *maybe* the mini2g sound driver (unlikely)..
05:54:23midkayi'll check it out and try it
05:54:41dongslalw thats huge
05:54:51dongs5g ipod is 320x240? not bad.
05:55:07*midkay stares blankly
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05:59:44Angel_of_Deathill just fiddle with the graphical one till i get it the way i like
06:00:20midkaywhat codec do you use?
06:00:38Angel_of_Deathmostly mp3, some ogg. wavs. in there tho
06:00:51midkaywhat model?
06:00:56Angel_of_Deaththere is a specific song tho which i use to determine the bass lvl lol
06:02:00Galoiswhy does the main web site only keep dailies back to april 3?
06:02:52Angel_of_Deathask em
06:03:17Galoislack of disk space or what
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06:03:51midkaypossibly, but they aren't that big..
06:04:03midkayprobably just very little reason to keep such old ones around
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06:04:15midkayespecially when you can check it out and compile it yourself if you really need to
06:05:06GaloisUsingCVS doesn't tell the n00bs how to check out old versions
06:05:29midkayGalois, well, i think we're assuming that n00bs shouldn't need such old builds..
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06:06:38midkayAngel_of_Death, i'm using it now. bass changes nothing except the volume.
06:07:23Angel_of_Deathmaybe i had a corrupted version which by some miracle made it work. which is impossible
06:07:38midkayit's also impossible that you were *hearing things*?
06:07:50Angel_of_Deathyes thats completly possible
06:07:54midkayyou thought it was working, so you heard it working.
06:07:56Angel_of_Deathbut my friend noticed the change to lol
06:07:59midkaybut it wasn't.
06:08:08Angel_of_Deathplaying satisfaction if uve ever heard it
06:08:18Angel_of_Deathand i was like this sounds like crap and we turned the bass up and the volume down
06:08:23Angel_of_Deathand therewas more *boot* ness
06:08:25midkayum.. eve or something?
06:09:14midkayanyways, think what you want :)
06:09:31Angel_of_Deathyeah whatever
06:09:40Angel_of_Deaththeres no explaination for me
06:10:07Angel_of_Deathwish those estimated times on the themes were right....
06:10:16Angel_of_Deathlol says mine will last 8 hours and it lasts maybe 3
06:10:26midkayfind the correct 5G mAh and they'll be more correctg
06:11:16Galoisthe nano says 8 hours and it lasts about 8, but I'm sure that's just an accident
06:11:34*Tuan waves
06:11:40Angel_of_Death5g says 13 hours or whatever i belive
06:12:00Angel_of_Deathbut u have to take into concideration were using rockbox not apples crappy firmware
06:12:06midkayhaha. not if you haven't screwed with your mAh setting..
06:12:11Angel_of_Deathso theres more things to do, with my theme more things to display
06:12:31Angel_of_Deathno no, im saying apple saud 13 hours
06:12:43Angel_of_Deathmy estimated says 8 when fully charged
06:13:02Angel_of_Deathbut it goes down quickly, i cant make it 8 hours at school listening to it for a total of 3 hours without having to charge
06:13:07Angel_of_Deathi have to bring my charger with me lol
06:13:08midkayright, and if you found the correct mAh value, it would be even lower..
06:13:54Angel_of_Deathbah this site has all the capacities cept nano and 5g and harry potter 5g lol
06:14:32Angel_of_Death450 mAh
06:14:40Angel_of_Deathbut rockbox wont let me set it under 1300
06:15:41midkayyou sure it's 450?
06:15:43midkaywhere did you find that?
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06:15:53Angel_of_Deathhmm that cant be right lol
06:16:18webguest29For your attention: a quick note:
06:16:20webguest293 May 20:22Peterfirmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c 1.31
06:16:33webguest29dosen't fixes the problem and cause a new problem:
06:16:41webguest29peter, you've made a new error. see what's happening when you're overscrolling the text when screen scroll out of view = yes, the icon gets inverted.
06:16:54webguest29It's somwhat annoying I already did this work and some more work of something we already discussed about putting in and it's ignored...
06:18:06midkayAngel_of_Death, hm, interesting. let me fill in that value..
06:18:12webguest29I want to emphasis wev'e already discussed one key long hold for screen scrolling and it was considered a good idea.
06:22:20Angel_of_Deathmidkay, find the vaule yet
06:22:27Angel_of_Deathi havent
06:24:10midkayAngel_of_Death, no, i don't see it anywhere.
06:24:13midkay450 sounds potentially right.
06:24:19midkaycertainly closer than 1300..
06:24:37Angel_of_Deathmidkay, brother has a 4g just tried bass on his from march 30 and it worke.... why not on 5g?
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06:25:13midkaysiiiiiiiiigh. whatever. you're right. bass works. will you stop asking about it now?
06:25:37Angel_of_Deathit does!
06:26:59midkayyes, yes.
06:27:30Angel_of_Deathdo u have a 4g?
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06:32:24Angel_of_Deathdoesnt matter
06:32:34Angel_of_Deathrockbox will only set the vaule at 1300 minimal
06:32:43Angel_of_Deathunless i would code, which im not
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06:37:13Galoisit's easy coding. #define BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN in firmware/export/powermgmt.h
06:37:28midkayAngel_of_Death, i can code and commit, no problem..
06:37:39midkaybut 450 is in fact way too low.. 1000mah seems like a reasonable estimate, but blah..
06:38:25GaloisI suspect the nano is well under 1000
06:38:35midkaymore than likely, yes..
06:39:28Angel_of_Deathwell my iPod lasts an hour maybe i should put it on a very basic theme and see how long it lasts with no crossfade, eq and such
06:44:37Angel_of_Deathhow hard would it be to modify a theme
06:44:46Angel_of_Deathi want to put a dance puff duo in my theme
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07:08:19scott666_is there any difference in firmware between the 30GB and 60GB ipods (5G)?
07:09:02scott666_or essentially: is it a bad idea to just skip to the last step when flashing another ipod with all the firmware files dumped and made
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07:15:48Crazysimpossibly, I have no authority but I remember that on the arstechnica article about the nanos, the 4gb and the 2gb had diffrent internals.
07:15:56Crazysimthen again
07:16:13scott666_thats a nano though
07:16:15Crazysimthe nanos ahve one firmware
07:16:24dongsso did teh bass thing get solved?
07:16:26Mikachui think they don't have the same amount of ram
07:16:37Crazysimi dunno, I 'm just idling
07:16:50scott666_does that change the firmware file that gets flashed to it though?
07:16:55Mikachu(the 30 and 60GB version)
07:17:09Mikachuit would seem silly to have a runtime check for it
07:17:16Mikachubut you never know with apple
07:17:23Crazysimis it really a flash?
07:17:30scott666_i dont think so
07:17:33scott666_but i had an archos
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07:18:59scott666_it doesnt really matter, i already did it
07:19:12scott666_im just trying to find out if i might have fucked up his ipod
07:20:14scott666_my gut tells me its fine
07:20:41scott666_which is really all that matters
07:20:44dongsif it boots its probably fine
07:21:06scott666_did you know the gut has more nerve endings than the brain?
07:21:09scott666_look it up
07:21:36scott666_now some of you are going to say 'hey, i looked that up and its false'
07:21:41scott666_thats because you looked it up in a book
07:21:52scott666_books have no heart
07:22:20scott666_whos britanica to tell me the panama canal was built in 1915?
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07:22:34scott666_if i want to believe it was built in 1941 thats my right as an american
07:22:50scott666_ok, thats enough colbert
07:23:25GaloisWho controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.
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07:27:00BHSPitMonkeytoo bad the past is in the wrong hands.
07:30:22Presencescott666, the only difference between a 30GB and a 60GB that would maybe make any difference is the 32MB vs 64MB of ram.
07:30:53dongsi liked how the nano instructions were only 4 step and fairly painless.
07:31:09Presencebut both have the same "cache" iram, chipset, blah, so should be fine.. maybe just not quite as much buffer space.
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07:44:13darklesslostlogic: ping
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07:51:50scott666_Presence: im only talking about the file that you copy over when you update the bootloader. when I installed rockbox on my 60GB i went through all the instructions step by step. when I installed it on my friends 30GB i just skipped to the last step, since the rockboot.bin file was already made. all im wondering is if id get hte same result if i'd did it from scratch the second time
07:52:45Presenceyeah, I would bet its exactly the same.
07:53:28Presencesame sector 61 for config files, rockbox uses only 32MB of memory for both machines.. it'd make sense.
07:54:58scott666_rockbox only uses 32MB even when there are 64MB present?
07:55:43scott666_You sound try Sockbox
07:55:56scott666_its the number one open source sock drawer firmware
07:56:07Tuandoes rockbox work with car ipod interfaces?
07:56:16scott666_not yet
07:56:41scott666_unless its like a tape -> headphone jack kinda deal
07:58:00Presence32mb for even the 60gb device.
07:58:22B4gderbecause no one addressed it
07:58:47B4gderand that's because we'd like a single build for both 32 and 64MB videos
07:59:04scott666_ah, right, that'd be an issue
07:59:14*scott666_ remembers the 8MB recorder builds
08:00:38scott666_wouldnt that increase battery life quite a bit though? or not so much
08:01:06B4gderif you never skip any songs, you'd of course more than double the time between spinups
08:01:22B4gderso sure, it should save battery
08:01:32Mikachuand halve the actual number of spinups
08:01:49scott666_are spinups still the biggest power drain?
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08:02:06Mikachuand keeping spinning :)
08:02:49B4gderit will of course spin slightly longer since it needs to read more data
08:03:12Paul_The_NerdBut overall still a decent improvement.
08:03:30Presenceinteresting, sounds like it would be a fun thing to
08:04:01B4gderI don't think that'll be enough
08:04:05scott666_so why hasnt it been done yet? is addressing more ram non-trivial? or is it just on a long list of things to be done for the 5G ipods, or both
08:04:07Paul_The_NerdIt wasn't, if I recall.
08:04:22Paul_The_Nerdscott666_: If I remember correctly, that didn't actually work.
08:04:42Paul_The_NerdThe other thing is that we want it to detect RAM size at runtime, not compile-time, so that there's only one 5G build.
08:04:48B4gderI don't think that change affects the .lds fiels
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08:20:45scott666attempting to create an account on the flyspray page still brings me to a blank page. is this officially broken, or am i the only one having problems?
08:21:16Paul_The_NerdClicking to register as a new user brings me to a page with prompts 'n such
08:21:39scott666its the page after that thats broken
08:21:56scott666(for me anyway)
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08:23:17Paul_The_NerdHm. I can't really test _that_ one. Y'know, without creating a second account 'n all. ;-)
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08:23:57scott666you wont create one if its broken
08:24:10Paul_The_NerdYeah, but if it's *not* broken, I will.
08:24:13scott666you dont have to activate the account if it works
08:24:46scott666or is there not a 'click here to activate your account' link when you finish
08:24:57Paul_The_Nerdscott666: My confirmation email has been sent. The page works fine.
08:25:09scott666hmm :-/
08:25:28Paul_The_NerdAlready got it even
08:25:44Paul_The_NerdProceeded to ignore and delete it, as it suggested I should. But, yeah, it works. :)
08:25:51Paul_The_NerdTry a different browser?
08:26:03scott666ive tried in FF and IE
08:26:08scott666whatd you use just now?
08:26:52Paul_The_NerdYou could have too strict security policies or something?
08:26:54scott666i havnt restarted firefox yet, im still on .0.2
08:28:20scott666when i click 'send code' i get a page with no text
08:29:16Paul_The_NerdI get one that tells me it's sent.
08:29:24scott666same happens in IE6
08:29:57Paul_The_NerdI'm still wondering if it's some sort of security policy.
08:30:13scott666such as?
08:30:15Paul_The_NerdI dunno.
08:30:54scott666same result in opera 8
08:31:05Paul_The_NerdBut I mean, if it's working for me, it's most likely something at your end. Set the security to the minimum default in IE, sign up, then restore it, see if that works.
08:31:37scott666does firefox even have settings like that though?
08:32:36Paul_The_NerdFirefox has security settings, they're just in different places. If it's exactly the same in Opera, maybe it's something else. I dunno. But it's not the server.
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08:32:51scott666i dont get it
08:33:09scott666i should go find a proxy and try that
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08:34:40scott666just used PHProxy
08:34:42scott666same result
08:35:52scott666as well as a random proxy from RoC_MM's link
08:37:01scott666any ideas?
08:40:00Paul_The_NerdDid you try the security thing in IE?
08:40:48scott666no, but i really dont see how thats going to help since the result is exactly the same in FF and opera
08:40:52scott666but ill try it anyway
08:42:18Paul_The_NerdYes well, even if you're 99.9% sure an idea is wrong, if it's not going to harm anything to test it, you should, just so the possibility is eliminated absolutely
08:44:25ravonAnyone who've tried the X5 dual boot patch?
08:45:07dj-fuI love rockbox
08:45:10dj-fujust thought I'd say it again
08:46:23dj-fuso yea, big up to whever optimised libmad last week or the week before
08:46:25scott666so setting the security settings to low in ie let me get through, and i got the email
08:46:37scott666but now i still cant log in
08:46:57B4gderwell, that works for hundreds of people
08:47:12B4gderindicating the problem is not in the server end ;-)
08:47:23ravonI wonder what the X5 says if I hook a 3V adapter up to the 5V charger connection.
08:47:53scott666global preferences might require your account to be approved by an admin
08:47:56ravonIt claims to be charging at least.
08:47:58scott666is this the case?
08:48:41B4gderthere are 4 users with scott6*
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08:49:05B4gderand two more with other numbers
08:49:17scott666is that a problem?
08:49:37B4gderwhat user are you trying to login as?
08:50:19scott666the problem is that theres no 'this user name is taken' error message when creating an account
08:50:56scott666i must have typed it wrong when i tried again in ie
08:51:59scott666picked a new one and created it without problem
08:52:31scott666at least its only partially my fault
08:53:01B4gderso again, what user are you trying to login as?
08:53:26scott666i just created 'scottmyran'
08:53:33scott666and im logged in now
08:54:32scott666ive been trying to create 'scott666' without much luck
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08:55:44scott666whats up
08:55:54voltagexnot a lot
08:59:35linuxstbmidkay: I read your discussion about bass on the 5g in the logs - the audio codec in the 5g doesn't have bass/treble settings, so I can confidently say it's never worked in Rockbox. But I think it's implemented for all other ipods.
09:00:21amiconnThe wm8731/wm8731/wm8711 don't have tone controls at all
09:00:32midkaylinuxstb, i was quite sure it wasn't, but some people are so adamant... :)
09:01:15linuxstbamiconn: OK, I wasn't sure about the mini. So it's just the 4Gs and Nano...
09:01:29kclafhello all
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09:02:03kclafdamn ive been away some days, now i have go through 2371832376 CVS commits
09:02:06midkay4g and nano does have bass/treble adjustment?
09:02:31linuxstbThe 5g has a hardware 5-band EQ as well, but I've never tried it.
09:02:54dj-funeed a little more optimisation for nano before I can crossfeed+eq+playback in realtime
09:03:01*dj-fu bribes people
09:03:12amiconnlinuxstb: Yes. 1g..3g and mini 1g/2g have no hardware tone control. 4g/color and nano have hardware treble/bass. 5g has hardware 5-band eq (unused in rockbox)
09:03:14midkaybtw, wouldn't limiting the EQ to two or three bands result in less overhead and thus maybe mp3 playback sans skipping with it enabled?
09:03:23midkaythat's very cool
09:03:51amiconnmidkay: If you keep an eq band at zero, it does exactly what you want
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09:04:33midkayamiconn, interesting, thx
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09:07:28darklessthe crossfade rework that lostlogic made on Apr 23rd breaks seeking for me
09:07:43voltagexit seems as if everyone's given up on getting tracker music working in rockbox
09:08:22preglowwhat makes you say that
09:08:23voltagexit turns out that it would be a very large job rewriting libDUMB, and that there's a player at that should work with minimal modification
09:08:38preglowthere's already a mod player in the patch tracker
09:08:42B4gder... and there's a patch that plays mods
09:08:53dj-fuwhat's tracker music?
09:08:55voltagexoh dear, I have been away too long
09:09:02voltagexB4gder: XM as well?
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09:09:08B4gderand you talk too much without checking first ;-)
09:09:09preglowjust check it out
09:09:18voltagexyeah, sorry
09:09:46B4gderand please don't say we can use anything " with minimal modification" unless you intend to prove it yourself
09:09:57voltagexI guess mods are easier to play than xm,s3m,it
09:10:12voltagexB4gder: by that I meant, it uses fixed point math already
09:10:26preglowis it any good?
09:10:33preglowi believe dumb has a pretty good compatability
09:10:36B4gderand I mean that talking is easy, making the code to support it is harder
09:10:40ravonvoltagex: oh, there you are :)
09:10:41amiconnvoltagex: There's more than just that, e.g. does it use malloc?
09:10:53preglowamiconn: of course it does
09:10:58preglowamiconn: we'll have to fix that ourselves
09:10:59voltagexamiconn: not sure, it was written for the GP32
09:11:16voltagexI did not mean to piss everyone off
09:11:18pregloweverything uses malloc
09:11:31ravonMalloc can be wrapped as in the dumb-plugin
09:11:38preglowwe don't want to wrap malloc
09:11:46preglowwe want to get rid of it
09:11:48B4gderand it isn't always that easy to wrap it
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09:11:57B4gderif they use it extensively
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09:12:08ravonIf it makes me play tons of mod formats as a plugin, I'd be happy with a wrapped malloc.
09:12:09preglowand for mods, they probably try to malloc for all the data
09:12:15preglowour malloc buffer isn't that big
09:12:28ravonThe dumb-plugin uses an internal buffer.
09:12:28voltagexslightly offtopic, is there any way to losslessly cut bits out of mp3s?
09:12:32amiconnvoltagex: Apart from that; there's a patch in the tracker that adds 4-chan mod playback
09:12:32preglowi think this is the reason the mod player in the patch tracker can't take large mods still
09:12:35preglowvoltagex: yes
09:13:01preglowwe'll need a mod specific loader to fix that problem
09:13:11voltagexpreglow: large mods are >64k ?
09:13:24preglowvoltagex: well, mods aren't usually large
09:13:29preglowvoltagex: but xms and s3ms and its are
09:13:37amiconnNo, > (512K - mod_codec_ram_needs)
09:13:38preglowi've got xms over 20 megs
09:13:46voltagexall the mp3 cutting tools are crapware/spyware/shareware that I've seen
09:13:53linuxstbvoltagex: Try mp3directcut
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09:14:05voltagexpreglow: wow, what kind of samples do they use?
09:14:08voltagexlinuxstb: thanks
09:14:12preglowvoltagex: large 16 bit ones
09:14:33voltagexbetcha it sounds good though.
09:14:42preglowsure does
09:14:49amiconnpreglow: You really have xms and s3ms _that_ large?
09:14:54preglowamiconn: xms, yes
09:14:56preglownot s3ms
09:15:02amiconnThe largest modules I've seen are IT modules
09:15:42voltagextalking about IT modules, Impulse Tracker is cloned by Schism Tracker, which works on XP (yay!)
09:16:48voltagexcrap, I didn't back up the crosscompilers on my machine
09:16:50amiconnModules that large don't make sense imho. The corresponding mp3/ogg would be smaller...
09:16:59*voltagex digs through the wiki
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09:17:17preglowlargest module i can find right now is 9 mega
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09:17:29preglowprobably got the other ones stowed away on some cds
09:18:18voltagexpreglow: you can download the entire site as torrents
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09:19:47amiconnpreglow: You're right, my largest xm is 12megs, while my larges it is only 3 megs...
09:20:14amiconns3ms just go a little above 1meg
09:21:33preglownot too many large s3ms
09:21:51preglowlots of the screamtracker people used gus
09:21:56preglowso had to keep the sample size down
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09:36:26crwldid s3m support 16-bit samples and the like?
09:36:52crwlit did have some kind of lossless sample compression, too
09:42:37linuxstbLinusN: I think you may have misread the comments about the X5 dual-boot patch - RaeNye said it was "OF version independent". I understand that to mean that it's NOT tied to any specific OF version.
09:43:02B4gderI interpreted it that way too
09:43:39B4gderand looking at the code, it seems to be fairly independent
09:44:05LinusN.equ pcf50606_read, 0x30202584
09:44:14LinusNindependent my a$$
09:44:26linuxstbIsn't that a Rockbox function?
09:44:59LinusNit's code copied to dram by the cowon bootloader
09:45:13linuxstbOK... So independent my a$$ is an apt description.
09:45:33LinusNhowever, it *is* independent of the of
09:45:47LinusNbut instead depends on the bootloader version
09:45:57B4gderyes, that is an artifact of his approach
09:46:11LinusNthe *cowon* bootloader version
09:46:16B4gderwhich is a bit too relaxed
09:46:40LinusNlet's just hope that there is only one cowon bootloader...
09:47:31B4gderbut what is the bootloader doing with that cowon bootloader stuff?
09:47:56LinusNi asked him, and he told me that they were "better"
09:48:03amiconnIsn't that violating the gpl?
09:48:15*B4gder just reads the x5-patch-original-fw.c source
09:48:16LinusNamiconn: no
09:49:06B4gderah, now I see your point
09:49:11B4gderme dislike that
09:49:43linuxstbIs the only reason for the cowan bootloader version dependency to use "better" versions of some functions?
09:50:15LinusNno, i think the rockbox equivalents need the rockbox kernel to work, and that isn't started at that point in time
09:51:12LinusNiirc, the x5 pcf50606 driver doesn't use any kernel functions...hmmm...
09:53:07LinusNanother problem is that the cowon firmware relies on the memory mapping donne by the cowon bootloader, which is different from rockbox
09:53:38LinusNhis approach is to do the Rec check before rockbox sets up the map
09:54:54linuxstbThat sounds the easiest approach - but replacing the OF functions with Rockbox's versions would be much cleaner.
09:55:18LinusNyes, but that might hit us too in the future
09:55:30LinusNwhen we optimize the pc50606 driver
09:56:13linuxstbThen just keep a simple version of the driver for use in the bootloader.
09:56:39B4gdersounds fair
09:57:16linuxstbAny idea if the cowan bootloader is user-upgradable?
09:57:26LinusNi don't think so
09:57:36B4gdernot that we've found out anyway
09:58:30preglowurgh, that's nasty
09:59:50voltagexeill I break things building rockbox for m68k with 4.0 versions of gcc?
09:59:57linuxstbAlso, why isn't it a GPL violation as amiconn asked?
10:00:08B4gderonly if anything is distributed
10:00:14B4gderwhich it isn't
10:02:02preglowvoltagex: might work
10:02:08preglowvoltagex: but it's not recommended
10:02:27voltagexpreglow: currently I have the source for whatever the latest 3.4 version was
10:02:44voltagexand I don't really feel like downloading new bzips
10:03:42voltagexgtg anyway
10:04:10voltagexI don't have scrollback, so you'll have to tell me the right version when I'm back :S
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10:19:13muesli__btw when you set foreground color to white cos ur using a dark background system messages cant be read due they still appear in black. thus i suggest to set system font color equal to foreground color
10:22:22Paul_The_NerdI thought the splash was always black on gray. Did that change? I'll admit, I don't pay attention to splashes at all any more.
10:26:47dj-futhe captions? "loading" etc?
10:27:20dongsi think he means the bootscreen.
10:27:22voltagexhi again
10:27:30dongswhich is some yellow image on a white bg with black text.
10:27:34dj-fubootscreen, oh. mine's colored
10:27:36dongs(for me)
10:27:44dj-fumine is blue bg with black text and the rb icon
10:27:51voltagexis gcc-3.04 really the best for compiling rockbox?
10:28:00B4gdervoltagex: 3.04 ?
10:28:21voltagexB4gder: that's what it says in the wiki
10:28:22B4gderall info you need =>
10:28:30B4gderit says 3.4.x for m68k
10:28:36dongsyou mean 4.03?
10:28:54B4gdersee the URL I showed above
10:29:03B4gderyou've found something extremely outdated
10:29:14Paul_The_NerdWell, A) That's incredibly dated, and B) That was SH1 specific anyway... Note the "last modified" date of '02
10:29:50voltagexoops, lol
10:29:57B4gderreload that page now ;-)
10:30:29voltagexlol, it's the VoltageIncompetence redirect
10:31:47voltagexnow, for my next trick, I will find a mirror that won't count towards my tiny download limit
10:33:08dongsaustralia , eh
10:33:29voltagexdongs: yep, where our fastest DSL speed is 1.5mbit
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10:33:51voltagexADSL2 is *in testing* as it gets rolled out in some metro-suburbs
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10:36:01B4gderyou don't need adsl2 to go way above 1.5mbit though
10:36:42voltagexB4gder: true, theoretical 8mbit/1mbit right? Telstra is limiting it artificially
10:37:02voltagexand most ISPs go: OMG you want to actually download a file!! OH NOES!
10:37:10B4gderits even works 8/1 in real life
10:37:18B4gderat least
10:37:29voltagexheh, not on Aussie copper it won't
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10:37:41B4gdersure it does
10:38:21voltagexstill, means nothing to my friend, who is 4km south of me, and dials-up at 24kbit
10:38:59*B4gder expects his 8mbit adsl to be upgraded soonish
10:39:25*voltagex moves to japan, gets 1gbit link
10:39:26dj-futhe local-loop is about to become unbundled here in New Zealand
10:39:38*voltagex moves from japan to nz
10:39:40dj-fucurrently all the copper is owned still by Telecom, so they monopolize the shit.
10:39:57B4gderdj-fu: we've just gotten that here too
10:40:08voltagexthat unbundling was meant to happen here soon too
10:40:29dj-fuI pay (currently) 54.95 nzd for 3.5mbit/128k @ 30gB cap
10:40:43dj-fuexpecting that to go down dramatically, each ISP will be able to charge whatever they like
10:40:47voltagexam I the only one in australia who downloads 40+GB/month?
10:41:07dj-fuI doubt that highly :P
10:41:17dj-fuvoltagex: the loop in Aus is already unbundled
10:41:41voltagexdj-fu: has anything changed due to it?
10:41:53dj-funo idea. I'm not in aus :)
10:42:07dj-fuI do know that multiple companies can offer broadband because of it, some cheaper than others
10:42:20voltagex1.5mb still costs $70-100/month
10:43:22dj-futhat's expensive as hell
10:43:24dj-fuwith how big cap?
10:44:32voltagexchecking now
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10:47:04voltagexyou've gotta be kidding me... 2.5gb limit on a 1.5mbit connection?
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10:47:38voltagexLOL 1.5mbit, 200mb limit, $140 per extra GB!!!
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10:49:22dj-fuesus, that's expensive voltagex
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10:49:57voltagexthat's good, ADSL2 is starting to be pushed, big time
10:50:02voltagexwith 24mbit max speed
10:50:24voltagexthey still haven't got a clue about download limits
10:50:50dj-fuI'd rather have slower net and an unlim cap
10:50:55dj-fubetter for torrent seeding on ratio sites
10:51:05dongsoshit you beter type slower
10:51:09dongsor youre gonna go over your limit
10:51:14voltagexdj-fu: legal torrents, of course
10:51:25dj-fufor sure
10:51:31voltagexdj-fu: 4 days in, 6+GB downloaded
10:51:47dj-fuit's 4th of may here, i've done 14gb already
10:51:50dj-fugotta slow it down
10:52:27*B4gder checks his ifconfig... 1.5 GiB download in 16 days... :-)
10:52:52voltagexI'll borrow your quota, B4gder
10:52:53*B4gder pats his very cool 8mbit connection
10:53:01dj-fuwhat cap, B4gder ?
10:53:09dj-fuhow much?
10:53:20B4gder~45 USD
10:53:23dj-fujesus christ
10:53:24voltagexI would be downloading like a mofo
10:53:27dj-fufuck yeah
10:53:37dj-fuB4gder: moment of truth.. what about Upstream?
10:53:37B4gderI download all I want and need
10:53:56dj-fui would love to have a conn like that
10:54:11voltagexso what's the maximum download speed off that?
10:54:21voltagex1000 kilobytes a second?
10:54:28voltagexso basically 1mb a second
10:54:31B4gderI get slightly less
10:54:33voltagexgive or take
10:54:38B4gderyes, I get around 800KB data
10:54:39dj-fu*dsl or cable?
10:54:45voltagexok, I'm gonna do the math
10:55:15dj-fudoes it actually connect at 8000kbit or 8*1024kbit?
10:55:30B4gdergood question
10:55:46B4gderI guess reading up on adsl standards could tell
10:55:54dj-fuor the adsl status of your router :P
10:56:06voltagex2880 megabytes an hour
10:56:18dj-fuI pay for 3.5mbit, but i'm >5km from the phone Exchange so I get about 2.5mbit, pos.
10:56:47voltagexerrm that can't be right
10:57:00voltagexI come up with 2000 gigabytes a month
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10:57:37voltagexgoogle says 800 (kilobytes a second) = 2 006.33532 gigabytes a month
10:57:47voltagexand that's conservative
10:58:03dj-funeed a crapload of storage
10:58:05voltagexnow, even I'm not gonna fill up a 2TB array in a month
10:58:32voltagexgotta love google
10:58:42dongs2 tb a month would be abuse.
10:58:45voltagextheoretical max of ADSL2 is 24 (megabits a second) = 7 704.32763 gigabytes a month
10:58:59*voltagex passes out
10:59:02dongsplus you'd have to try real hard to find 2tb of content worth downloading.
10:59:17darklesslinux isos? ;)
10:59:25*dj-fu nods
10:59:28voltagexdongs: depends if you want to stay legal
10:59:33dongsno thanks. i own a number of windows xp licenses.
10:59:38*darkless downloads everything linked from distrowatch
10:59:45dongslunix isos would be as useful to me as a 5th wheel.
10:59:47*dj-fu splutters
10:59:52dj-fusomeone who owns windows xp licenses?
10:59:52voltagexwget -rc http://teh-intarweb
11:00:05dj-fui've only _ever_ owned one license to windows, the xp home that came with my lappy
11:00:13dj-fuOSS >*
11:00:21darklesswget :O
11:00:38dongsxp home is trash. real laptops come with xp Professional.
11:00:54dj-fureal laptops get fdisked and linux installed on em
11:00:59voltagexxp professional is trash. real laptops come with Vista beta
11:01:06darkless@ dj-fu
11:01:19dj-fulol, installed that latest vista interm build on a work machine, took about half an hour to "start" up after installing
11:01:22dj-funasty shit
11:01:28dj-fuwe ended up leaving before it even got the deskto up
11:01:29dongslol @ taking a 2 grand piece of equipment and installing an OS on it which doesnt even support power management or hibernation
11:01:31voltagexhave you ever run a vista beta? 900mb of ram used IDLE
11:01:48dj-fudongs: you been under a rock for the past couple of years?
11:01:49dongsa) its called debug build b) it doesnt use 900megs.
11:01:49voltagexdongs: modprobe acpi?
11:01:51*Paul_The_Nerd wonders where any Rockbox related discussion is.
11:01:52dj-fui have S1-4 acpi
11:02:15B4gdermarkun: hows the usb situation on gigabeat as a comparison?
11:02:18dj-fuPaul_The_Nerd: this is an OSS vs. non OSS discussion, we're working upto including rockbox eventually
11:02:24voltagexPaul_The_Nerd: feel free to kick me from the channel. I started this
11:02:26dongsdj-fu: i hit the power button on my Windows XP Professional SP2 laptop, and it hibernates to disk in about 5 seconds, and i can go take it anywhere i want to, hit power again, and its back to my desktop in another 5 seconds.
11:02:27darklessdj-fu: lol
11:02:31dongsdj-fu: lets see you do that with lunix, sir.
11:02:44dj-fudongs: echo "disk" > /sys/power/state
11:02:50voltagexdongs: Suspend To Disk support
11:02:50dj-fumy 4 seconds beats your 5 seconds
11:03:29darklessit depends on how much crap you've loaded into your ram, that goes for both OS'es
11:03:29markunB4gder: compared to what?
11:03:30dj-fuas I said, been living under a rock for past few years or so dongs?
11:03:38dongssuspend to disk haha. and what do you do after you upgrade memory?
11:03:41dj-fuyou may wanna try out a live cd of a popular distro which is newbie friendly
11:03:46dongsoh right
11:03:49dongsgotta resize that swap partition
11:03:50dongsto fit more
11:03:58B4gdermarkun: compared to the possible telechip approach. Are you gonna need to write a usb stack if you want usb support while in Rockbox?
11:04:00dj-fulinux doesn't need swap while ram > 2gb
11:04:05dongsand what tools are tehre for lunix to resize partitions? oh, right thats what I thought
11:04:05dj-fuit can _actually_ manage memory
11:04:06voltagexdongs: what swap partition?
11:04:15*dj-fu nods @ voltagex
11:04:18dongsyou're telling me lunix suspend-to-disk 2gb of memory in 4 seconds?
11:04:27voltagexdongs: mandrake installer can resise ntfs
11:04:31dongsyou're full of shit.
11:04:31dj-fulol, no
11:04:37dj-fuI'm telling you that I can s-t-d in 4seconds
11:04:39markunB4gder: no, we have a USB-ATA bridge. But we can also use the USB device controller and USB host controller through the cradle.
11:04:43dj-fuI do not have 2gb of ram
11:04:44B4gderaha, ok
11:04:51voltagexdj-fu: @ /msg
11:05:03voltagexoh wait
11:05:10voltagexhaven't /nickserv identified
11:05:11dongsall my windows machiens have > 1gb of memory. they have no problem "managing" it.
11:05:21dj-fubut you have a swap partition?
11:05:25*dj-fu ogles at wasted hard drive space
11:05:31B4gderoh please drop this crappo subject
11:05:40*Paul_The_Nerd seconds.
11:05:44linuxstbB4gder: What are your feelings about that "mp3/mp4" player today? Still tempted?
11:06:08darklessreversing the latest crossfade reworkings are no fun :(
11:06:12B4gderlinuxstb: I am and I've told "portable" about it
11:06:27Paul_The_NerdA SWCodec target that uses 2.5" drives? What's not to like if it's doable?
11:07:30darklesssomebody bring the cheese, 'cause I bring the whine
11:08:24dongsoh well. leave lunix to those few lunatics who have tons of time to waste editing config files and typing "echo "disk" > proc/whatevertehfuck to shut the thing down
11:08:44markundongs: yes, please do that
11:08:53voltagexlinuxstb: are we talking about building an MP3 player specifically for rockbox?
11:08:57*darkless ignores flamebait
11:09:09dongsvoltagex: they're talking about some forum post about a company wanting to port rockbox to their device.
11:09:18dongsvoltagex: but its some random no-name australian company with a chinese product.
11:09:23Paul_The_Nerdvoltagex: No, it's a discussion of an MP3 player where apparently the manufacturer is also interested in getting along with Rockbox, I think.
11:09:29voltagexdongs: not asrock is it?
11:09:31dongsand they dont want to give any hardware devices out to people to develop for htem
11:09:43dongsvoltagex: not sure, look at the latest few threads on the forum, its in there
11:09:45linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: The only downside I can think of is that it's quite an obscure device. They've been around for about a year, but don't seem to have sold very well. It would be a waste of time for Rockbox to be ported to another unavailable target.
11:09:47voltagexhmmm no, Astone
11:10:43B4gderlinuxstb: but there are several telechip based players out there at its possible that a first port could make it easier to reach those other telechip ones
11:10:51linuxstbVery true.
11:10:59voltagexdongs: because of my retarded ssh client, this will probably repaste your url
11:11:37dj-fuputty is best
11:12:10Galoisdongs: I have only one thing to say to you.
11:12:34markunGalois: cut it out man
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11:13:01dongstrolling is a waste of time
11:13:03Galoisof course, I'm biased here.
11:13:09dongsespecially weak stuff you're putting out.
11:14:19Paul_The_Nerddongs, you don't have to respond and agitate further.
11:14:24Paul_The_NerdAll of you, just drop it.
11:15:17dongshow about a callgraph of rockbox while playing mp3s?
11:15:53voltagexThat mp3/mp4 player sounds promising, but working with a manufacturer is sounding scary
11:16:11LinusNscary in what way?
11:16:21dongscause you actually have to get thigns done
11:16:23preglowi think it sounds convenient, heh
11:16:31preglowthat's only if you pledge yourself to anything
11:16:35dongsas opposed to use the typical excuse of "i aint getting paid, so it will be done when its done"
11:16:39preglowif they don't pay you, they can't demand very much
11:16:56LinusNgiving away a device is not paying imho
11:17:03preglowit's cooperating
11:17:14voltagexI think the idea of certifing the player for rockbox, then having it as an optional extra is a good idea
11:17:21linuxstbNo, but it does at least impose a moral obligation to do something.
11:17:38preglowwell, sure
11:17:39B4gderand it shows that the producer appreciate having Rockbox support
11:17:41preglowbut not much more than that
11:17:46LinusNi wouldn't give that port a priority unless i was paid a proper salary that could match my daytime job
11:17:53voltagexlinuxstb: but again, if they don't pay you, you don't owe them shjite!
11:18:04dj-fumoney always makes things difficult
11:18:14preglowit also makes things encouraging!
11:18:29voltagexhell, if I ever see one of these players, I'll seriously think about buying one
11:18:33voltagexlaptop hdd FTP
11:18:35Galoiswhatever happened to the neuros collaboration?
11:18:44LinusNGalois: nothing so far
11:18:50dj-fuI'm happy w/ my nano for now.. just got done paying it off
11:18:55linuxstbBut I'm already motivated to work on it because I would like a swcodec player with a 2.5" disk.
11:18:58dj-fuI really should have researched DAP's before buying it though
11:19:16B4gderthe neuros guys are occupied running linux on their units
11:19:21LinusNi'm considering an ipod video, but i don't have the money
11:19:33B4gderthe unit what possibly would run rockbox is not due until later anyway
11:19:41B4gderand my money is on that they'll use linux then too
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11:20:02LinusNB4gder: yup, i think so too
11:20:17B4gderthe neuros code is a good source into porting rockbox to TMS320 devices
11:20:18B4gderin general
11:20:45LinusNyup, but it still takes quite some dsp code disassembly to pull off
11:21:13LinusNinteresting nevertheless
11:21:39B4gderand possibly their binary blob will be allowed to be redistributable
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11:22:02LinusNperhaps, but it might not fit our needs
11:22:12voltagexanyways, be back later
11:22:21LinusNi'd rather reverse engineer it and write our own dsp code
11:22:31B4gderyeah, that'd be the sane way
11:23:12voltagexit'd be great to get hardware docs, but somehow I don't think it's gonna happen
11:23:35LinusNnot likely, no
11:26:18preglowi don't even think there's a free assembler for ti
11:26:24preglowi don't even think i've ever seen any ti dsp code
11:26:43B4gderthere's a free assembler for the dsp
11:26:55darklessif I wanted to map a button (eg. record) to toggle "pausing playback and listening to microphone", where would you recommend me to look in the code? This feature would be great for me when needing to answer short questions without popping out my IEMs
11:27:16peturLinusN: did you ever put my isp1362 init code in the bootloader and then tried accessing the chip via the debug menu?
11:27:35LinusNdarkless: it should be possible to pause in the current code
11:27:51LinusNpetur: no
11:28:07LinusNwhy must it be in the bootloader?
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11:29:13peturjust an idea that it has to happen at power up because it configures the suspend of the chip.
11:29:14LinusNdarkless: or did you just want to disable the monitoring?
11:29:34LinusNpetur: aha
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11:30:03YvesStLrnthey all
11:30:17*LinusN smells perfume
11:30:29darklessLinusN: if someone comes up and asks me a question, I'd like to press a single button. This would pause audio playback and switch to microphone listening, so I could hear the question asked through the mic
11:30:36peturLinusN: the only other thing that can be wrong is that there's an IO pin we don't know of. But atm I'm pretty well stuck :(
11:31:10LinusNdarkless: ah, i wasn't reading correctly, you want to enable the mic while *playing*, not recording
11:31:10darklessmy IEMs are very isolating (32 dB IIRC) so I can't hear normal conversations even with audio playback paused
11:31:11peturdarkless: the very first sony walkmans had this ;)
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11:32:07darklessShure will sell a PTH (Press To Hear) device with their new E500 IEMs, but I figured that rockbox could do the same for me without me needing to lug around more hardware
11:32:30peturshouldn't be hard
11:32:44peturjust some uda reconfiguring of the mixer
11:33:05peturand some way to change the gain
11:33:06preglowjust enable monitoring
11:33:15preglowand set mute the uda
11:33:23peturyeah, the mixer
11:33:34preglowthis should just be two lines of code
11:33:45amiconnSomewhat like the 'line in' feature on the archos players
11:33:49amiconn...just for mic
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11:35:43dongshm dead battery icon again
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11:35:58dongsafter usb unplug
11:37:09peturbtw, dongs, russian language should work again...
11:37:24dongstested it earlier
11:39:16dongsfreetype is screwing up tahoma for me for some reason
11:39:20dongshinting is horrible
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11:52:11theli_uadongs, you use tahome on rockbox? ;)
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12:04:16dongstheli_ua: yes
12:04:26dongsbecause its the best font evar.
12:04:29theli_uawhy? you like it so much?
12:04:41dongsbecause its a) windows font b) it rocks c) its by microsoft
12:04:53theli_uai like terminus fonts
12:05:33dongsi like clean one-line thin fonts
12:05:47theli_uayeah ... me too :)
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12:06:32darklessI like the helvetica bold font
12:07:03dongsi dislike all lunix fonts in general.
12:07:05dongsthey're jsut so.. ugh.
12:07:09darklessnot included by default, but it's the one I like the best
12:07:10dongsunprofessional looking.
12:07:28Mikachuwhat is a "linux font"?
12:07:43dongsits a font that makes you want to tear your eyes out when you view it
12:07:55theli_uano.. you're wrong :)
12:08:03Mikachulinux is a kernel, the only font is the terminal font
12:08:21dongsok, lemme clarify this
12:08:28dongsthe fonts shipped with default lunix desktops
12:08:33dongssuch as x11 fonts
12:08:43Mikachuthat would be microsoft fonts
12:08:52dongshaha no.
12:09:05Mikachumaybe you installed redhat 3
12:09:19dongsmicrosoft disallowed bundling their web fonts with lunix stuff years ago
12:09:20LinusNMikachu: don't fall for it
12:09:22dongswhat rock have you been under?
12:09:29Mikachua whole box of rocks
12:09:38darklessa box of rocks!
12:09:38MikachuLinusN: i'm tired, sorry :)
12:09:46Mikachudarkless: yes, a rockbox!
12:10:11*petur runs off
12:12:12theli_uayeah .. now corefonts come with many distributions
12:12:44Mikachumany also come with bitstream vera or dejavu
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12:13:54theli_uayeah .. and anyway.... i can't say some font like this ... looks 'unprofessional'
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12:17:51dongsMikachu: An easy way to install Microsoft's TrueType core fonts on linux?
12:18:04Mikachu'emerge corefonts' in gentoo
12:18:52dongs also
12:19:14dongsthat page exists jsut because it can, not because its allowed/legal.
12:22:20MikachuReproduction and Distribution. You may reproduce and distribute an
12:22:20Mikachuunlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; provided that each copy
12:22:20Mikachushall be a true and complete copy, including all copyright and trademark
12:22:20DBUGEnqueued KICK Mikachu
12:22:20Mikachunotices, and shall be accompanied by a copy of this EULA. Copies of the
12:22:21MikachuSOFTWARE PRODUCT may not be distributed for profit either on a standalone
12:22:57Mikachubasis or included as part of your own product.
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12:23:34Mikachuso there's not a whole lot microsoft can do to remove my right to use those fonts
12:24:07dongspaste the part where microsoft can change this eula at any time without having to inform you about it
12:24:48B4gderwell, they writing things doesn't mean its legally binding
12:25:11dongslol, the fact is, microsoft doesnt want lunix people to use the fonts.
12:25:14B4gderthe microsoft eula is a perfect example of lots of words with little legal backup
12:25:21Mikachuthey can't do that, nor do they claim to be allowed to do so
12:26:03LinusNdongs: i can't find that clause
12:26:18Mikachuthe fact that they don't want to doesn't mean anything, they have given me the rights to use it already, they can't take that back
12:26:24Mikachuthat's just how the world works
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12:27:27zigfordIndian givers
12:28:04dongswhen you "buy" a "stolen" item from someone for unreasonable price (free in this case), and you have to answer for it - this is exactly same situation.
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12:36:11zigfordWhats the most compatible player with rockbox?
12:36:25zigfordthe arch with the least bugs
12:36:39dongsi'd guess the stuff that was developed for a while
12:36:44dongslike archos or wahtever.
12:36:50zigfordyou guess?
12:37:04dongswell, ipod port has been around for a few months
12:37:10B4gderthere's no way to measure it accurately
12:37:11dongsvs archos / iriver(?) stuff for a few years
12:37:24B4gderso guessing is what we have
12:37:33B4gderI'd guess an Archos player
12:37:43B4gderpossibly the player model itself
12:37:49B4gderalso because it is the most limited, feature-wise
12:37:57B4gderso there are less features that can bug
12:38:11zigfordWhich has the most features then?
12:38:33B4gderthe iriver models I think
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12:39:37zigfordwhats the price like for an iriver?
12:39:49zigfordmaybe I should ask google.
12:39:49B4gdercheck ebay
12:39:53B4gderthey're very hard to find new
12:40:03zigfordB4gder: Why is that?
12:40:11B4gderthey're not manufactured anymore
12:40:28zigfordIs there a reason?
12:40:39B4gdeririver stopped making and selling them
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12:40:47zigfordThis world has turned topsy turvy
12:40:53B4gderthey moved on to other models
12:40:57dj-fu/usr/local/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ati-drivers-8.24.8.ebuild digest
12:41:12zigforddj-fu: Thats wonderfull
12:41:14dj-fuhit mouse3 sorry
12:41:34zigfordgentoo eh
12:41:56dj-fuI'm new to it
12:42:15RedBrevahi guys... My nano arrived this morning, and is now a rockbox :-)... Just one question..can the iPod_Control directory be deleted?
12:42:21zigfordAhh, I once revelled in that world. It is a joy if you are unemployed
12:42:32dj-fuhaha, yeah.
12:42:36linuxstbRedBreva: Yes, but it will be recreated if you ever start the Apple firmware.
12:42:38MikachuRedBreva: yes, if you start retailos it will probably recreate it though
12:42:39dj-fuwell, I'm a student and reasonably employed
12:42:43Mikachuhooray for redundancy
12:42:50RedBrevaOK, cheers
12:43:14zigforddj-fu: Since I got a job and got married, I have had to go over to FC
12:43:24dj-fulol, I usually use ubuntu dapper
12:43:29dj-fubut felt like trying something a little more 'raw'
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12:43:46darklessgentoo is nice... building a crosscompile toolchain was as simple as "emerge crossdev; crossdev -s1 −−binutils 2.16.1-r2 −−gcc 3.4.5-r1 −−target m68k-elf"
12:43:48Mikachugentoo is what all the cool noobs use
12:43:51zigforddj-fu: Well you picked it
12:44:04dj-fucool noobs? lol
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12:44:18dj-fuI've heard that a few times actually, I'm no noob, just interested in testing out new stuff
12:44:42darklessubuntu is what the noobs use, gentoo is for the people who aren't satisfied with precompiled packages
12:44:56zigfordAnd I stick with my Apple IIE
12:45:01dj-fuI found myself building a lot of crap on Ubuntu
12:45:02darklessubuntu is debian made userfriendly :)
12:45:09dj-fuso I figured why not go to a source-based distro anyway
12:45:16B4gderI find debian user-friendly enough
12:45:28_FireFly_dj-fu: like gentoo ?
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12:45:38*B4gder joins the distro pie-throwing
12:45:40dj-fuit's uh, a pain in the ass right now
12:45:49dj-fudiddn't like my laptop "out of the box"
12:46:28dj-fuso I had to build a lot of stuff from a base system, X, drivers, whatnot.
12:46:32zigfordAll linuxes have good and bad. Half the fun is getting them to work on your obscure hardware
12:46:37dj-fubut yeah, really a good hands on approach
12:46:55dj-fuzigford: fortunately most of my stuff is Intel (pentium M lappy) so the graphics card is the only pita
12:47:06zigfordlet me guess, ATI
12:47:21dj-fux700 pcie
12:47:25*darkless wacks ATI with a big clue-bat
12:47:26Mikachui have a fun laptop that only the debian install kernel boots, the installed debian kernel and any other installer kernel doesn't boot
12:47:57zigfordMikachu: Try booting with noapic and nolapic
12:48:17Mikachuit seems to hang right after uncompressing linux.....
12:48:24*linuxstb prefers Mac OS X on a laptop
12:48:26dj-funolapic and noapic is what I needed on ubuntu, same problem as you Mikachu
12:48:29zigfordI have had the ATI drama's. I have a 64bit Turion with ATI Xpress 200M
12:48:29Mikachubut it sort of seems like only the display stops updating
12:48:38Mikachudj-fu: it's a reaaaaally old laptop
12:48:49Mikachumaybe 100mhz pentium at most
12:48:55dj-fuoh, nasty.
12:48:56zigfordMikachu: maybe disable apci
12:48:58dj-fuI doubt it has apic/lapic then :P
12:49:30zigfordI have a P133 with Damn Small Linux on it. Wife uses it for gaim
12:49:32Mikachui'll try that the next time i give it a shot
12:49:33dj-fuI'm in console mode right now, haven't had a chance to tinker with ALSA so i've got no sound - using rockbox with the old 'hold menu and plug it in' trick
12:50:01dj-fui <3 rockbox
12:50:08zigforddj-fu: Have you got a green screen?
12:51:11dj-fuon my laptop?
12:53:14amiconnSlasheri ?
12:54:06dj-fuzigford: whaddya mean!
12:56:09dj-fuwish me luck, about to startx
12:56:44zigforddj-fu: You got console mode. For the real retro style, go to green screen
12:56:56dj-fulol, dunno how to do that
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13:04:53Jungti1234Korean is foolish.....
13:06:09Jungti1234Do you know them?
13:06:34dongsnah , the files are from a friend.
13:06:39Jungti1234who? :)
13:06:44Jungti1234korean friend?
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13:06:47theli_uacan someone help me? why 'isalnum(name[0])' when name is const char* gives me 'dereferencing pointer to incomplete type' ?
13:07:02dongstheli_ua: what is type of name?
13:07:06dongsyou said it
13:07:44Jungti1234by the way...
13:07:46Jungti1234Korean is clamorous to Rockbox...
13:07:53dongsi wish i knew what clamorous is
13:08:20Jungti1234They said 'Rockbox is lacking'.
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13:10:40Jungti1234If they have discontent, they can fix it directly...
13:10:53Jungti1234But, they fat-mouth.
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13:13:32linuxstbtheli_ua: Can you paste the line where you define name? Also, which version of gcc are you using?
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13:16:10Jungti1234hey dongs
13:16:16theli_ualinuxstb , gcc 4.2.0_alpha20060408 :) name is a parameter to function int spkey_add_custom(const char *name)
13:16:41Jungti1234dongs: where are you from?
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13:17:33B4gdertheli_ua: with a gcc like that you're begging for problems
13:17:59theli_uaB4gder, i;m using it for arm only ... had no problems at all
13:18:13dongsJungti1234: .jp
13:18:18MoosB4gder/LinusN: Hi, is the dual-boot patch for X5 ready for use?
13:18:30Jungti1234ah, Japan?
13:18:49B4gderMoos: if you read our comments in the entry you'll see our opinion on it
13:19:05Jungti1234nice to see you
13:19:09B4gderbut it apparently works, according to some on that iadio forum
13:19:11MoosB4gder: sorry, not checked yet (works atm)
13:19:19Moosok, that's good to hear
13:19:31B4gderwe're not very happy with his approach
13:20:15MoosB4gder: let's hope the patch author will consider your opinions :)
13:20:24B4gderyeps ;-)
13:21:36Slasheriamiconn: yes
13:22:50MoosB4gder: ok, just checked your coments
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13:25:07B4gderand of course... the second someone reports that it doens't work for them, it has proven our point ;-)
13:25:25Mooshehe : )
13:25:59Mooshopefully the author of patch will come here for discuss with you and Linus
13:26:16B4gderhe's been posting to the mailing list
13:26:25B4gderand he's clearly full of clues, so I have high hopes
13:26:27amiconnSlasheri: The 'Couldn't open mpa.codec' bug after a full tagcache rebuild/commit is still there (dircache disabled, tagcache on disk)
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13:27:08amiconnIf that happens, it's also impossible to browse anything
13:27:24MoosB4gder: yeah checked them (I remenber when he came here before post, but you both wasn't here, then I advise him to write a mail to the list)
13:28:00amiconnMy guess is that the splash is issued by the voice code (I have voice turned on as well). Maybe the tagcache commit messes with the tree buffer in a way the tree buffer doesn't like?
13:28:18MoosB4gder: but sure he will come again :)
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13:31:35MoosB4gder: oh, new comment of RaeNye
13:31:51B4gderwe get mailed on all submissions you know ;-)
13:32:28Mooshehe, but don't know if you checked it yet ;-) assuming you was working :p
13:32:42Mikachuand still no comments or responses on many of them
13:32:53Mikachu+ appropriate smiley
13:33:16MoosMikachu: go ahead ;)
13:34:10*Moos might be go back works
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13:42:01KimHCƼ ѱ?
13:42:08Jungti1234, 
13:42:34KimHCwhy are you here Jungti
13:43:08Jungti1234Just because.
13:44:36KimHCJungti, you know D20?
13:45:02Mikachuhooray, i guessed the right encoding on the first try
13:45:02KimHChave D20?
13:45:24Jungti1234Mikachu: :)
13:45:44MikachuJungti1234: you told him to use english? :)
13:48:20KimHCJungti1234, i wanna talk with you. my nateon ID -
13:48:29Jungti1234ok wait
13:49:23KimHCwrong ID?
13:49:57KimHCplz come nateon ;;k
13:50:21Jungti1234WAIT please :)
13:50:58KimHCall right
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13:51:51Mooswee RaeNye !
13:52:18MoosRaeNye: great works man
13:52:52RaeNyeIt took me so much time to get that ble vs. bge thing :((
13:52:59LinusNhey ho, RaeNye
13:53:33RaeNyeHow do you think we should distribute it, btw?
13:54:03MoosRaeNye: did you tried it on the target yet?
13:54:18RaeNyeI don't see offering patched cowon FW... I prefer to offer a binary patch
13:54:29LinusNRaeNye: like we do with the iriver
13:54:59RaeNyeThe only catch is that the OF checks for a 1 second press of the ON button
13:55:14LinusNyes, the iriver does that as well
13:55:40RaeNyeAnd now I can clearly say that RB boots sooooooo much faster :)
13:56:15*Moos wants to test but canot yet :(
13:57:19RaeNyeBTW, RB does double work in init'ing everything
13:57:23RaeNye(on the X5)
13:57:33LinusNyes it does, on all platforms
13:57:48RaeNyenot all platforms have preloaders
13:57:48LinusNbecause we don't want to depend on the bootloader
13:58:17RaeNyebut it runs nevertheless
13:58:34LinusNon the x5, the hardware is initialized 3 times
13:58:47RaeNyepreloader, crt0 and ?
13:58:50LinusNpreloader, bootloader and then rockbox
13:59:27RaeNyebut RB _can_ rely on RB bootloader..
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13:59:51LinusNRaeNye: yes, but we don't want to force a bootloader update
14:00:20LinusNupdating the bootloader on, for example, the iriver can potentially brick your player
14:00:25RaeNyewhen did last we change crt0.S ?
14:00:48Jungti1234LinusN, Do you know electronic ditionary?
14:01:09LinusNRaeNye: crt0.S is only a tiny part of the init
14:01:14LinusNJungti1234: ?
14:01:42LinusNand doing the crt0.S stuff twice is no big deal
14:01:49LinusNJungti1234: no
14:01:54Jungti1234no? umm
14:02:15RaeNyeI have a question about ADC.
14:02:23RaeNyewhy don't we use 10-bit precision?
14:02:32LinusNbecause it's not neccessary
14:02:37Jungti1234LinusN: you don't know iriver dictionary?
14:02:45RaeNyeand why don't we wait for ADCRDY when reading?
14:02:51LinusNit requires an extra byte to be read from the pcf50606
14:02:59KimHCsorry but... i need some help...
14:03:06RaeNyeand that's bad because?
14:03:17LinusNRaeNye: because we assume that the conversion is ready when we read the result
14:04:16RaeNyeI think waiting for ADCRDY would resolve the small delta in readings
14:05:17LinusNthe conversion takes 16us in 8-bit mode according to the data sheet
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14:05:30Maximehi guys
14:05:44MikachuKimHC: don't be shy
14:05:54Maximewhat is the "party mode"? oO
14:06:19Bg3rMaxime it queues the selected song instead of starting playing it immediately
14:06:26Maximeah !
14:06:29Slasheriamiconn: hmm, i will check that soon when i have little more time
14:06:43LinusNRaeNye: from the pcf50606 data sheet: "An 8 bit conversion is not only
14:06:43LinusNcompleted 2 clock cycles earlier than a 10 bit conversion, also the 8 bit result can be
14:06:43LinusNread with one I2C read cycle which reduces the data communication time
14:06:43DBUGEnqueued KICK LinusN
14:06:43LinusN considerably."
14:07:16RaeNyeThe button code tries to locate the reading in an interval instead of a direct match. This means readings aren't always precise...
14:07:49Jungti1234Mikachu: hahaha
14:08:01RaeNye(if we check for ADCRDY, the extra byte contains the next 2 bits anyway)
14:08:35LinusNRaeNye: if we check for adcrdy, we might need to read it twice
14:08:55LinusNbetter wait 10us and only read the 8-bit result once
14:09:25KimHCvery difficult english..;;
14:09:28RaeNyeRight - but that only happens if the reading is not ready yet. Why minimize I2C calls?
14:09:58LinusNto save cpu time in the button irq
14:10:32RaeNye(again I suggest we use the pcf50606's internal I2C controller)
14:10:57LinusNno difference in this case, the button driver still waits for the result
14:10:58RaeNye(or at least dump i2c-generic.c in favour of templated i2c)
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14:11:38LinusNRaeNye: sure, the i2c-generic stuff is far from optimal
14:11:50LinusNin fact, it's dead slow at the moment
14:12:14RaeNyeI prefer:
14:12:17RaeNye#define SCL_HIGH xxx
14:12:27RaeNye#include "i2c.template.c"
14:12:49RaeNyesame idea w/o the indirect calls overhead
14:13:05peturwe've had this discussion before...
14:13:30RaeNyeAnd the result was?
14:13:44LinusNthe result was that we like the template approach better
14:16:32RaeNyeI'd like to see the template approach more. LCD is another place for it
14:16:39zigfordQuestion: Today, I did like always, download latest daily build for Ipod 4g-grey. Unzip into my ipod dir. Now it freezez at the "Rockbox" screen.
14:16:50LinusNRaeNye: lcd? why?
14:16:51zigfordWhy 4?
14:17:15zigfordReverted back to yesterdays build and all is okay again.
14:17:17RaeNyesame as X5's, different GPIO pins
14:17:28LinusNRaeNye: you mean generic SPI?
14:17:45RaeNyealso that
14:17:54LinusNthe remote protocol is spi
14:18:04RaeNyeLCD are either SPI or memory mapped, right?
14:18:45RaeNyeso we should have some kind of HAL for it
14:18:59RaeNyeWe only blit to the lcd
14:19:13LinusNwe have a "hal" for it
14:20:28RaeNyeLCD usually share "opcodes", right? e.g., 0xAE is "lcd off" and 0xAF is "lcd on"
14:20:35LinusNno they don't
14:20:42LinusNeach lcd is different
14:20:48RaeNyea little
14:20:56RaeNyebut a common basis exists
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14:21:29B4gdernot other than that they are LCDs
14:21:49LinusNyes, some lcd have the same pixel format, but that's about it
14:22:00RaeNyeI read some datasheets when I tried to understand the X5 remote code
14:22:14RaeNyemost of them were almost identical
14:22:44B4gderwell, read the rockbox source
14:22:50B4gderand see for yourself
14:22:58RaeNyeThat reminds me of something.
14:23:36LinusNbesides, unnecessary abstraction is not KISS
14:23:58RaeNyeWiki and RB code use GPIO pin 30 for ATA reset, right?
14:24:09RaeNyeBut the preloader uses GPIO1 pin 30
14:24:14RaeNyecould this be a typo?
14:24:32amiconnRaeNye: Including a .c file is considered baaad practice
14:25:08RaeNyecall it .inl
14:25:13B4gderindeed, a template approach should better use static inline functions in the .h files
14:25:20RaeNyecall it a .template
14:25:24amiconnI agree that i2c-generic is probably the slowest i2c driver in rockbox, even slower than the old unoptimised i2c driver for H300 pcf50606
14:25:43amiconnRaeNye: I'd go for a .h defining inline functions
14:25:56RaeNyeit also doesn't use the internal I2C controller
14:26:00B4gderbut even talking about unoptimized stuff when doing a dual-boot loader is... way premature
14:26:22RaeNyethe dual bootloader has nothing to do with it
14:26:31amiconnRaeNye: Yes, that's because it uses a similar approach as the H00 pcf driver (which cannot use the coldfire i2c controller)
14:26:41B4gderok, I just see them being mentioned in pairs. sorry
14:26:45RaeNyedual bootloader is completed. On to supporting more hardware :)
14:27:54RaeNyeI know everything that I need to know about X5 remote, but have none to check it with
14:28:03amiconnLinusN: Using the coldfire i2c controller does save cpu time - if we use the interrupt capabilities
14:28:11RaeNyeThis preloader RE was such fun :)
14:28:46RaeNyeBut DMA for ATA should be more important
14:28:49LinusNamiconn: yes
14:29:12LinusNRaeNye: i have my doubts about the benefits of dma
14:29:27RaeNyeeven when doing line transfers?
14:29:34zigfordOkay: I downloaded the cvs, and compiled it myself and installed onto my ipod. Latest cvs works. Daily Build for ipod Grey does not
14:31:22LinusNRaeNye: yes, because the cpu will not get much memory bandwidth to do any real work anyway
14:31:31amiconnRaeNye: I expect dma to be equally fast (perhaps a _tiny_ bit faster) as the asm optimised transfer
14:31:44LinusNregarding the ata reset, i traced the ata reset signal to gpio30
14:31:45amiconnAs long as we don't iyeld, it won't benefit us anything
14:32:18amiconnI'll try it nevertheless, but most probably not before 3.0
14:32:26LinusNRaeNye: looks like you found a bug in the cowon loader :-)
14:32:29amiconnLinusN, btw, did you check the optimised ata timing?
14:33:03LinusNyou might have noticed that i haven't done *any* rockbox work the past weeks
14:34:14RaeNyeBTW, where is UART0 connected too in the X5?
14:36:40CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:36:40*amiconn noticed
14:37:05lostlogicsigh, seems like somehow a bunch of devs got way too busy right around release time... bad timing.
14:37:05RaeNyeAlso, I want to update the X5 ports & pins assignment Wiki page. What does F mean (in the I/O/F column)?
14:37:51RaeNyei.e., mux?
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14:38:05LinusNGPIO62 (bit 30 in GPIO1) isn't even mapped to a pin on the chip
14:38:37LinusNRaeNye: meaning that it performs an on-chip function instead of a general i/o
14:39:39RaeNyeso it has nothing to do with the GPIO_FUNCTION reg?
14:39:51LinusNit has everything to do with it
14:40:18LinusNGPIO_FUNCTION selects either the on-chip function, or general purpose i/o
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14:41:03RaeNyeoh, 10x
14:41:33LinusNfor instance, bit 31 of GPIO_FUNCTION selects if the pin is IDE_DIOR or a simple I/O bit
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14:42:41LinusNrest in peace
14:42:53RaeNyebut bit 31 of GPIO_READ/OUT is not connected to anything, right?
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14:43:44cmugHey, is anyone using the latest daily build on ipod Nano?
14:43:50cmugI cant get any output with mp3 files
14:44:00cmugbooting to original firmware and sound works just fine
14:44:57dj-fuhaven't updated mine for a while
14:44:59LinusNRaeNye: it is connected to IDE_DIOR
14:45:07dj-fusurely they would have posted something on the CVS if audio didn't work anymore, cmug
14:45:12LinusNit is, as you guessed, multiplexed
14:45:24cmugdj-fu, im reading the bugdatabase but dont see anything about it
14:45:43RaeNyeGPIO_FUNC bit 31 selects between IDE_DIOR and what else?
14:45:48dj-fuI would test it out, but I like music.
14:45:54LinusNgeneral purpose i/o
14:45:58cmughehe yeah
14:46:19RaeNyewhich is connected to?
14:46:32LinusNeither the pin is controlled by reading GPIO_READ or writing GPIO_OUT, or by the IDE controlled
14:46:52LinusNin this case it is controlled by the IDE controller
14:47:17LinusNand writing to GPIO_OUT has no effect
14:47:53B4gderInternal error: Oops: 817 [#1]
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14:48:06B4gderLinux version of *panic*
14:48:18LinusNso in effect, GPIO_FUNCTION selects if the bit is controlled by the cpu or by an onboard peripheral controller
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14:53:06RomanosHi everyone! Wouldn't be a good idea on ipod's idoom release to just use the scrollwheel by simply touching the buttons and not really press them? That would be great for avoiding wear the pad.
14:53:22dj-fuI don't think it's iDoom, is it?
14:53:25dj-fuit's a diffferent port
14:53:48Romanosanyway , it's definitely based on it
14:53:55dj-fuand afaik you could configure it, the keys file (in iDoom, dunno about rbdoom)
14:54:37Romanosisn't idoom on ipl?
14:54:48Romanosi've got it on ipl as well
14:54:55Romanoswhat have i got to do?
14:54:55dj-fubut on rockbox it's different, dunno if it has the keys file
14:55:08dj-fuI've never attempted it, but in your ipod dir there should be a keys file which you can edit with a text ed
14:55:20dj-fuonce ya work out what the key that scroll wheel is, replace left with that
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14:56:45Romanosbtw doom runs a lot smoother on ipl
14:57:08RaeNyelinus: so what's the best way to add support for the X5 remote? I updated the Wiki page and I can tell you the preloader's init sequence, but I cannot test anything
14:57:29dj-fuRomanos: not really interested in running doom on my nano, I'm happy w/ music & crossfeed ;]
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14:58:05Romanosyeah.. same here.. it's funny running all those utilities though
14:58:27Romanosu got an ipod as well?
15:00:23preglowutf8-test: æøå
15:00:38LinusNRaeNye: i have a remote
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15:01:04LinusNRaeNye: whip up a driver and i can test it
15:01:18Maxime(doom on h1x0 is not very playable :x lol)
15:02:28preglowit is with enough gamma correction
15:02:35preglowand an active imagination
15:02:54Maximebut I can't read menus.. so how to set gamma?
15:03:13preglowyou pretty much need to find it in the in-game menu
15:03:15preglowcan't remember keys
15:04:15Maximethere's a 'bug' on iriver, (if it's a bug)
15:04:24Maximeyou're forced to keep button down to go through the menu
15:04:29Maxime(before the game)
15:04:38RaeNyelinus: Most of the code is similar to the h100 remote; just change the GPIO pins (see Wiki)
15:04:44LinusNRaeNye: are you sure about the remote lcd pins? GPIO11 is MCLK
15:05:03cmugHmm maybe someone broke the mp3 codec on the daily build of nano
15:05:12preglowcmug: how broke?
15:05:15cmugwhen I turn the volume up/down I hear crackling in the speakers
15:05:18cmugpreglow, no audio
15:05:36preglowthat codec hasn't been changed for a while
15:05:38pregloware you sure?
15:05:40cmug15:43:40 < cmug> I cant get any output with mp3 files
15:05:41cmug15:43:51 < cmug> booting to original firmware and sound works just fine
15:05:45cmugi dont know whats wrong
15:05:47preglowtried another build, etc?
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15:06:09cmugi had a build from january working fine, now the latest doesnt playback
15:06:09preglowwell, i can't test right now
15:06:12preglownor for the rest of the day
15:06:18preglowjanuary is a long time ago
15:06:32cmugmaybe it was only 2months back
15:06:45preglow2 months is a long time ago
15:06:51preglowtried different mp3 files?
15:07:20RedBrevaThanks guys.. I am now one very happy bunny listening to Rockbox on my new Nano :D
15:07:21linuxstbcmug: Have you reset your settings?
15:07:46RaeNyeLinus: remote_write_command does RS=0; for (i=0; i<8; i++) {CLK=0; DATA=(data >> i)&1; CLK=1;} RS=1
15:07:52LinusNcmug: and did you install the entire zip contents and not just the rockbox.ipod file?
15:08:09dj-fureset settings is probably a good idea
15:08:15dj-fucmug: reboot with the hold switch turned on
15:08:28RaeNyeSorry, that was remote_write_data
15:08:37LinusNRaeNye: looks like standard spi
15:08:59LinusNRaeNye: i think you have the pin numbers wrong
15:09:00RaeNyeremote_write_command does CS=0 at the beginning and CS=1 at the end also
15:09:30LinusNthen you have confused RS and CS
15:09:32cmugI might have missed the rockbox.ipod file from the zip actually
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15:09:54RaeNyeCLK: or/and 0x4000; CS: or/and 0x8000; RS: or/and 0x20
15:09:56linuxstbcmug: That will do it...
15:09:58KimHCUsual, does the machinery and tools of like this type use the what kind of CPU mainly?
15:10:05RaeNyedata is 0x2000
15:10:17LinusNKimHC: you will have to open it and see
15:10:21cmuglinuxstb, that was the reason
15:10:30cmuguser error as usual, great firmware !
15:10:41cmugkeep up the good work :)
15:11:08LinusNRaeNye: that is bit 13
15:11:22RaeNyebacklight is 0x200000
15:11:38RaeNyemsb is 0 or 31?
15:12:28amiconnAre the specs of the X5 remote lcd available somewhere?
15:12:41RaeNyeRE of the preloader?
15:13:11amiconnIf it allows similar high serial clock as the H100 one, we should be able to use the same optimised driver routines
15:13:27RaeNyeIt does. we only need to change GPIO settings
15:13:50amiconnI would also suggest to use the same lazy CS handling. It lowers emi
15:14:20dj-fucmug: got it going?
15:14:31RaeNyeLinus: so what's wrong with my numbers?
15:14:33cmugdj-fu, yeah, it was my own error
15:14:40dj-fudidn't erase settings?
15:14:41dwihnoWhat flac options do you guys use when encoding?
15:14:49cmugdj-fu, didnt copy rockbox.ipod file
15:14:51*dwihno is just about to transcode all wavpack to flac ...
15:14:54linuxstb"-8 −−seekpoint=1s"
15:15:07dj-fuoh, lol.
15:15:11*dj-fu chuckles
15:15:13cmughappens ;)
15:15:13dwihnolinuxstb: what is the default seekpoint stuff?
15:15:14dj-fuI've done that before :)
15:15:22cmuggotta go now, thanks :)
15:15:50linuxstbdwihno: The default is 10s I think. But a 1s seektable is negligible in size compared to a FLAC file.
15:16:10linuxstb(20 bytes per entry IIRC)
15:16:40dwihnolinuxstb: ah, okay
15:16:45linuxstb(1s is one second, not one sample btw)
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15:16:55dwihnoI'd guess that...
15:17:05dwihnolinuxstb: I'll use that as well. 10 secs is a tad too much imho.
15:17:42preglowlinuxstb: 20 bytes??? not too shabby
15:17:49linuxstbI also replaygain them afterwards - "metaflac −−add-replay-gain *.flac" inside a directory containing an album.
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15:18:21dwihnolinuxstb: how does that affect the album?
15:18:35KimHChello midkay:)
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15:19:17linuxstbA seektable entry contains a 64-bit byte offset into the file, a 64-bit sample number (referring to the first sample in the frame), and a 32-bit number containing the number of samples in that frame.
15:19:34linuxstbSorry, the last number is 16 bits, so it's 18 bytes per entyr.
15:19:56linuxstbdwihno: It doesn't change the contents of the FLAC files, it just adds replaygain tags that Rockbox can use.
15:20:33dwihnolinuxstb: What good is replaygain for anyhow... my only experience is a lot of clicking and "hitting the roof" artifacts :/
15:20:37LinusNRaeNye: i have changed the port pin assignments
15:21:15preglowdwihno: replaygain is pretty much incapable of that
15:21:25preglowdwihno: except on track changes ...
15:22:01linuxstbdwihno: BTW, why have you decided to convert from wavpack to flac?
15:22:02RaeNyeI just did too... but was on preview
15:22:22RaeNyeYou need me to write code or you'll modify h100-remote.c yourself?
15:22:24dwihnopreglow: ah, I guess I can try it out. :)
15:23:07dwihnolinuxstb: basically, it is about two things. 1) there is better (not good though) support for flac among audio applications 2) no boosting on rockbox
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15:25:09LinusNRaeNye: i'd like you to do it, because i have very little time right now
15:26:47RaeNyeOK. how would I give you the code? I don't wanna upload a completely untested patch to the tracker...
15:27:37dwihnolinuxstb: is there some way to verify the flac being "undamaged"?
15:28:02linuxstb"flac -t" will do a decode and test against the internal md5 checksum.
15:28:09RaeNyeI'll also need help with the general #define that tell RB that X5 has a remote control, etc.
15:29:22LinusNRaeNye: it's perfectly fine to upload to the tracker
15:29:30dwihnolinuxstb: that's what I thought... still, I changed a couple of bytes with no side effects...
15:29:44LinusNRaeNye: i /msg:d you
15:31:20dwihnolinuxstb: perhaps I messed around with some header then...
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15:32:56linuxstbProbably. The first 50KB or so may well just be the header. There is normally also a little padding after the metadata (about 4KB)
15:33:56linuxstbdwihno: "metaflac −−list" will output all the header information.
15:38:13dwihnolinuxstb: ah, thanks
15:39:08*petur spots an iso9001 auditor at the desk next to his
15:39:29dwihnoAaaaaaaah! Run for your life!
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15:40:41peturas long as he stays at that desk, I don't mind
15:46:33LinusNjust be calm, and answer "i ask my boss" to every question
15:47:54peturheh, that's not allowed :P
15:50:04ravonThat was seriously the best NES sountrack I've ever heard.
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15:52:36Genre9mp3ravon: you should also check the castlevania soundtracks
15:52:57ravonGenre9mp3: They pale in comparison ;)
15:53:24ravonThe Castlevania soundtracks have sadly been overplayed and overremixed :/
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15:53:45*ashridah doesn't even remember the music from the original castlevania he had
15:53:47Genre9mp3yes, I think you are right about that
15:54:35ravonHey, one of the Dark Lord songs sounds like it comes from the polish demo scene. Sweet.
15:54:36XavierGrremixes: ewwww they suck!
15:55:04ravonXavierGr: aw hell no. Just listen to the Zelda jazz remixes from Neskvartetten.
15:55:55XavierGrravon: I dunno about that, but most remixes I've heard suck big time.
15:57:22ravonSucks if you don't like the style of course :)
15:57:50XavierGrexactly, but I will give it a try later. Now off to work!
15:58:29*Genre9mp3 listens to Darklord Soundtrack and really like it! :)
15:59:38Genre9mp3Now...I think I'll have to find the game also...I'm curious...
16:00:01ravonGenre9mp3: Same here :D
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16:01:08XavierGrravon: if you are interested in game music (mp3, midi e.t.c) go here
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16:04:13ravonXavierGr: I mostly listen to the remixes though, but I'll check that out. Thanks :)
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16:59:25sn1ffdoes rockbox also support videos on a ipod video
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17:02:20lostlogicw00t, Shure E500 PTH will be out soon, and are not nearly as hign impedence as the E5. Have a level attenuator for those high output sources.
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17:12:21BCMMi'm looking for an MP3 player for my grandparents, who have trouble seeing small things. Is it possible to configure Rockbox to use large fonts?
17:12:48BCMM(i'm assuming there are no players who's default firmware does that)
17:12:59humulusBCMM: configure their glasses properly ;o)
17:13:03BCMMMikachu: thanks
17:13:10BCMMhumulus: come on, things aren't that simple
17:13:24Mikachui think you can convert fonts yourself if you need a bigger one than the standard ones
17:13:32Mikachuor ask someone here to help you do it
17:13:36humulusBCMM: jokingly of course
17:13:38BCMMthanks a lot
17:13:41BCMMhumulus: ok
17:14:11BCMMcan anyone recommend an mp3 player with a big, bright screen that can run rockbox?
17:14:16lostlogicI'd recommend an ipod w/video for the high contrast screen...
17:14:25lostlogicand also get them setup with the voice interface
17:14:43lostlogic(which works moderately well now :))
17:15:12Mikachuare you ill? i've been away for 2 hours but the last change is still at the top
17:15:14*dwihno never tried voice interface
17:15:14BCMMyeah, i just read about the voice as well
17:15:28dwihnothe ipod video screen is perfect for humongous fonts
17:15:29Mikachua couple of weeks ago it would have scrolled off the list altogether :)
17:15:57BCMMis rockbox suitable for non-technical people to use, if someone else sets it up for them?
17:16:08BCMMbasically, is it nerdy? i've never used it
17:16:34dwihnoBCMM: well, they still will have to fill the unit with music... :)
17:16:39BCMM(i'm not trying to insult it here, i use things myself that aren't very user-friendly)
17:16:51dwihnoBCMM: I learned my mother to use Rockbox, so you should be able to pull it off :)
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17:17:06BCMMdwihno: no, someone can do that for them, i'm just wondering if it's easy to find and play the stuff when it's on there
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17:17:39lostlogicMikachu: me? Not ill, have been having trouble motivating myself since I got back from Paris.
17:17:43BCMMbasically, is it for grandparents, or is it really for people like me who mess around with electronic things for fun?
17:17:48dproBCMM: it's rather easy if they know how to use a filebrowser
17:17:59Mikachulostlogic: heh, i was sort of joking, but i forgot you had been away too
17:18:09BCMMnot sure they do, but it's jsut a tree structured menu, right?
17:18:14*dpro prefers it over the crappy apple firmware anyway
17:18:26BCMMwell, thanks everyone, i'll go and look at hardware now i guess...
17:18:26dproBCMM: basically yes
17:18:36MikachuBCMM: the manual is very extensive
17:18:42MikachuBCMM: if they're the sort of people who read manuals
17:18:50BCMMthey're not really
17:18:50markunBCMM: I would think rockbox is rather nerdy, but if they stay out of the menu and just play some music it shouldn't be too difficult.
17:18:55BCMMthey can use email
17:19:06BCMMmarkun: the setup or the usage?
17:19:16BCMMit doesn't need tinkering to keep it running does it?
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17:19:39lostlogicUSB mode is flakey on swcodec models with voice files or some such currently
17:19:41BCMMhmm... is it uninstallable? if it is, i can just test it and not need to keep asking stuff
17:19:45lostlogicI need to look into that.
17:19:48lostlogicBCMM: yes, it is
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17:20:04BCMMlostlogic: what does USB mode mean? transfer from the computer?
17:20:05MikachuBCMM: you can dualboot, at least on ipods
17:20:14BCMMoh, great
17:20:37lostlogicBCMM: yeah, but you can get into it by shutting down fine −− just getting to it without resetting is difficult at the moment due to a threading bug
17:21:19BCMMi thought that USB mode on most machines happens when they're basically turned off and is done by hardcoded stuff in hardware, same as a USB stick?
17:21:41Mikachuif you count firmware as hardcoded stuff in hardware, which means rockbox... :)
17:21:55markunBCMM: most players do that, just not the ipods
17:21:57BCMMfirmware isn't hardcoded...
17:22:07Mikachuright, then you're wrong
17:22:25BCMMmarkun: yeah, i knew the ipods were weird beacuse they don't do standard mass storage
17:22:31Mikachuthey do
17:22:43markunMikachu: he's not wrong that "most machines" have a USB-ATA bridge..
17:22:47dwihnoWho keeps the metric system down? We do! We do!
17:23:06BCMMreally? i thought under the apple firmware you needed special software to put music on an ipod?
17:23:21Mikachuyou need special software to get the apple firmware to find the music
17:23:32Febs"Who controls the British crown, who keeps the metric system down, we do ... we do!"
17:23:38BCMMMikachu: does rockbox fix that?
17:23:42Mikachuitunes transfers the files in normal usb mode
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17:24:00markunBCMM: yes, you can just drag and drop the files and rockbox will play them
17:24:14BCMMthat's a MUCH better system, imho
17:24:30BCMMi've never understood apples decision on taht
17:24:41Mikachuvendor lockin = money
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17:25:39dwihnoOpen source = freedom
17:25:51BCMMi agree
17:25:51FebsAlso, Apple targets the people who would otherwise spend hours looking in vain for a folder on their player called "root."
17:26:06dwihnoTrue, true :)
17:26:16BCMMfor a start, i'm pretty sure Apple doesn't support large fonts for the partially sighted
17:26:32BCMMwell, thanks a lot
17:26:53Mikachudwihno: free software = freedom, open source = practical
17:27:08FebsThere's a long thread on the head-fi forum about whether Rockbox has any advantages for Mac users.
17:27:20FebsIt gives some insight into why people like iTunes.
17:27:21MikachuBCMM: if you're not aged 16-35 you're not in the target group
17:27:34nudelynand GPL != free :)
17:27:57BCMMhaha, i'm starting to wish i had a device that runs rockbox now...
17:28:02markunnudelyn: you're a BSD person?
17:28:33nudelynI don't bother with licences for my own stuff, just get frustrated trying to tie together GPL things with non-GPL things when all I want to do is make something that does something useful and give it away.
17:28:48BCMMBSD license is freeer, but doesn't garentee that derivatives will be free
17:28:51Mikachuthat's simple, just give people the source and a compiler
17:28:56BCMMdon't want to start an OT flamewar though
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17:29:07Mikachugpl only talks about redistributing executables
17:29:19Mikachuyou can compile whatever you want for yourself with gpl libs
17:29:27markunSo.. who wants to buy a Gigabeat player? :)
17:29:33Mikachuyou're selling?
17:29:45BCMMso the ipod video is probably the biggest screen on any supported hardware?
17:29:47markunNo, just looking for more hand to help us out :)
17:29:48nudelynhmm, i thought it was more complicated than that... dunno, not a lawyer, but people keep saying they can't mix A and B because B is GPL, even though the whole project and all components are open source.
17:30:55markunnudelyn: rockbox is GPL and uses BSD stuff (like Tremor)
17:31:21nudelynbut Tremor couldn't use parts of rockbox
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17:31:58nudelyni'm definitely not saying rockbox shouldn't be GPL. GPL makes sense for a lot of projects. but it can also be a pain for others.
17:32:11linuxstbThere's no difference between Rockbox using Tremor, and Tremor using Rockbox. But the combined application can only be GPL'd.
17:32:59markunlinuxstb: but if we make a patch for Tremor with improvements from rockbox would that be a problem?
17:33:21linuxstbI'm guessing the author of the patch would donate it to Tremor under their license.
17:33:34linuxstbOtherwise Tremor probably wouldn't accept it.
17:34:01linuxstbBut I'm far from an expert on the problems of mixing licenses...
17:34:34BCMMif rockbox was BSD licensed, would code get copied by the official firmware vendors?
17:34:50dongsit doesnt need ot be BSD licensed to rip the code.
17:35:11linuxstbBut yes, if Rockbox was BSD, then it can be incorporated into closed source projects.
17:35:56BCMMdongs: vendors couldn't rip the GPL stuff legally
17:36:31BCMMunless they released source - unlikely given the DRM they use
17:36:33dwihnostill, many do.
17:36:36markundongs: knew you would be back for this conversation :)
17:37:00dongsah finally got proper hinting working i think
17:37:08dongsholy shit compiling freetype on windows is a bitch
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17:37:17markunWhat was the problem with hinting?
17:37:17dongsits like pulling teeth, and nobody wants to help either.
17:37:28dongswell, the default bins dont include the bytecode interpreter
17:37:37dongsso it used the GNU autohinting thing
17:37:42dongswhich makes stuff look bad.
17:37:51markunyes, it does
17:38:17markunIt's not compiled in by default because it's patented, right?
17:38:27dongsnow the I's spacing is proper too
17:38:33dongsnot sure if that had anything to do with it
17:39:43dongsnow i have a nice combo of tahoma for < U00FF, and then a mix of ms gothic + gulim for CJK
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17:43:04markundongs: could you make another picture?
17:46:55dongsdead battery icon sure is aanoying
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17:49:20markunI don't have a ipod. Maybe others have the same problem.
17:49:40Mikachubattery indicator works fine here..
17:49:54Mikachuif i was out of battery i would want it to e annoyign so i see it
17:50:12dongsMikachu: no like
17:50:16dongswhen itsi n usb modce
17:50:16markundongs: which ipod do you have?
17:50:24dongsand you unplug it after dissconnecting
17:50:30dongs50/50 it either reboots
17:50:37dongsor blinks and shows dead battery warning icon
17:50:45Mikachuthat would be a bug then
17:53:08dongs < font
17:53:08dprodongs: I have the same on my nano it's a bit annoying
17:53:27dongsdpro: yea, i figured it wasnt just me. i wonder if its an apple bug or a rockbox bug.
17:53:51dongs(since that UI isnt rockbox, at least i dont think it is)
17:53:56Mikachuit would be better to have a smaller picture but better focused
17:54:01dprodongs: dunno I wiped the apple firmware ...
17:54:19dongsMikachu: well, yes.
17:54:56dongsyour right
17:54:57markunthe font looks nice
17:54:58dongsthis camera sucks
17:55:15Mikachuhopefully it has a focal plane _somewhere_ :)
17:56:31dongs here, non-fail version with a working camera.
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17:57:56PaulJam_is it enough to unmount the h300 in linux before removing it, or should i do something else?
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17:58:25MikachuPaulJam_: eject /dev/whatever
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17:58:58PaulJam_Mikachu: thank you
17:59:03dproMikachu: but for me umount works just ok (on ipod that is but there shouldn't be a difference)
17:59:13Mikachudpro: it is more for linux' sake than the playre
17:59:22markundongs: did you also include arabic?
17:59:40dongsoh yea, i could. which font on windows has arabic?
17:59:43dongsi'll test
17:59:52Mikachuarial unicode?
17:59:53dongsdoes tahoma include it?
17:59:54markuntahoma should also have arabic support
17:59:59markunnormal arial even
18:00:25dongsU0600-FF looks liek
18:00:39markunMS payed monotype to design arabic and hebrew glyphs for some of their fonts I believe
18:00:48Mikachuboth tahoma and arial have arabic here it seems
18:00:58Mikachubut possibly not all glyphs
18:01:01Mikachusome fall back on arial unicode
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18:01:36markunToo bad we only have 1 arabic user that I know of :)
18:01:53dongsthey're too busy making car bombs to afford ipods
18:01:57markunIt's very hard to find BDF fonts with arabic
18:02:14dongsdo you have a .lang file for it?
18:02:30dongsor else how am i supposed to test
18:02:35markunno, but you could make a filename with a string from
18:03:14Mikachujust make a file with arabic in it or the name and view it??
18:04:21dongsok lets see
18:04:50dongsi wonder if tahoma failed it
18:05:38dongsmarkun: fat32 stores filenames as unicode?
18:05:57markundongs: yes
18:06:13dongsit doesnt seem tahoma supports arabic
18:06:24markunBut you also need the glyps in the range 0xFE00-0xFDFF
18:06:27dongsaccording to notepad it does
18:06:40dongsbut the font fails to get the glyph
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18:07:04markunFB00-FEFF or something :)
18:07:17markundongs: strange, maybe an older version of tahoma?
18:07:32dongsFB50+ is arabic supplement
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18:07:39dongser presentation forms
18:07:44dongsi guess i'll mark all those ranges
18:07:50dongsi only included U0600
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18:08:09Mikachuare you japanese or only living in japan?
18:08:12markunbut you need to include the U0600 range as well
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18:08:28dongsFB50-FDFF and FE70-FEFF
18:08:47markundongs: look at firmware/arabjoin.c for the glyphs we use
18:10:39dongsit worked
18:10:43markunnice :)
18:10:49*amiconn again points out that it's *not* fat32 what stores the unicode filenames
18:11:05Mikachuis it vfat?
18:11:18dongstheres a strange render bug in the selector when its over arabic filename
18:11:27dongsits like part of it is missing
18:11:31dongsbut the reading is correct.
18:11:31Mikachui got a really weird selector when i moved a song in my playlist
18:11:37Mikachuit would blink between four states
18:12:47Mikachuthe selector is supposed to blink white and black i think, but sometimes it would also blink transparent
18:14:15dongsmarkun: w/arabic
18:14:27dongs(and broken selector bar)
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18:15:20dongsi copied ar.wikipedia's top page title and i think heading from the upper left first article.
18:15:24dongsit seems to look same.
18:16:48markunno idea what causes the selector bar problem
18:17:04dongsmaybe the terrorists
18:17:46Mikachuincorrect width calculation maybe
18:17:49markunMaybe because some of the code uses the unjoined string to calculate the string width
18:18:02markunMikachu: yes, probably
18:18:19markunI think we only join when printing
18:18:50markunWith a fixed width font you will only see this when you have a ligature and 2 chars become 1 glyph
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18:19:16dongsthis should be a proprotional font since its from tahoma
18:19:49markunyes, but the tests I did were all with unifont
18:20:39dongsdpro: it seems if I press the center button while unplugging it doesnt show the dead battery thing.
18:20:50dongsat least, it hasnt done it yet
18:21:07Romanosis your nano new?
18:21:23Romanosthat's weird
18:21:32dongsis it a known problem?
18:21:41Romanosevery nano does that
18:21:53dongsbut the battery is fully charged..
18:22:00amiconnmarkun: It seems font_getstringsize() doesn't join
18:22:08Romanoswhatever i tried, i'm just gettin that stupid battery icon and my ipod shuts completely off the width calculation _will_ be wrong for arabic
18:22:34Romanosi have to rebbot it each time to get it workin properly
18:24:09Romanosi've tried u're trick btw and it's not workin.. i'm still having the same thing after some tests..
18:24:26MikachuRomanos: ur
18:24:27dongsi pulled it like 4 times now and it hasnt showed the dead battery while holding center button
18:24:32dongsbut yeah probably just lucky.
18:24:37dongsits random
18:24:43dongsyesterday it didnt happen for like 20 tries
18:24:45MikachuRomanos: u're means you are, not your
18:24:49dongsthen does it every time.
18:25:04Romanoswhatever :P
18:25:07amiconnmarkun: Do you know how this could be fixed?
18:25:08dongsmarkun: would hebrew need special handling?
18:25:17dongs(do oyu know)
18:25:21Romanoswow.. sure ..
18:25:36Romanoscan u get hebrew in rockbox?
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18:25:46Romanosthat would be kinda tricky
18:25:47dongsi included hebrew unicode ranges but im not getting the filename displaying
18:26:06Romanosmean idtags?
18:26:10Romanosin wps?
18:26:24Mikachuwhat was that earlier? text viewer/editor?
18:26:24dongsno, im testing by making a filename
18:26:31dongsall my tests is filenames
18:26:37dongsthat i pasted in here
18:27:01Mikachuer yeah, hebrew is not arabic, ignore me
18:27:28Romanoswhat's the difference btw between arabic and hebrew?
18:27:39dongsthey both look like shit to me
18:27:41markundongs: hebrew should just work
18:27:45dongsmarkun: i see
18:28:33markunthe string get's mirrored, but that's all
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18:28:46markunRomanos: are you serious?
18:28:59Romanosi never got the point of what exactly is happening back there in israel but it's really sad
18:29:01MikachuRomanos: you never cease to amaze me
18:29:10Romanoswhat do u mean mikachu?
18:29:24dongswell the chars are getting included..
18:29:38MikachuRomanos: basically the israelites say god gave them the country and the arabs always lived there
18:29:46dongsoh, oops
18:29:57Romanosi just didn't knew.. do i really had to?
18:30:30Romanosthat's why i asked.. stop pickin on me ..
18:30:31dongsyea it worked
18:30:40markunRomanos: np, now you know
18:30:51dongscompiled font is still only 780k
18:31:00MikachuRomanos: sure, when you stop joining with random nicks asking the same question over and over
18:31:01dongsabout same size asyour 6x12
18:31:22Romanosmikachu, you are a laugh indeed!
18:31:22Mikachuwhat height is your font?
18:31:56Romanosand markun.. no i don't no. I will really know when i get some reaserch done
18:32:35markunRomanos: ok
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18:38:10dongsRomanos: yep, the fuckin battery thing just came up while holding cneter button
18:38:12dongsso much for that idea.
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18:47:33dongsmarkun: is the current code.
18:47:55dongsmight want to compile freetype with bytecode interpreter unless you like ugly fonts
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18:51:44markundongs: I've got the bytecode interpreter compiled in for years I think
18:51:52dongsi see
18:52:30dongsyou gonna fix the arabic selector bar thing?
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18:52:48markunyes, could do that
18:54:19DinomightQuick Q, is there a way to adjust the speed/acceleration of the scrollwheel on rockbox for the ipod
18:54:59dongssettings / display/ scrolling
18:55:06dongsduno why its under "display"
18:55:15dongssettings -> "general settings"
18:56:37dongsis "statusbar" in file browser skinnable?
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18:57:36Dinomightare you sure thats what it is.... i think thats the speed of text scrolling (ie a line of text doesn't fit on the screen so it scrolls it left to right).(in fact after testing the setting that appears to be exactly what it is)
18:58:08Dinomighti looked all through the settings and couldn't find it anywhere. maybe i'm retarted
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18:59:53dongshm youre right
19:00:01dongsinfact the scroll settings dont make any difference at all
19:00:03dongsespecially the speed one
19:00:21dongssetting it to 0 would sure disable all scrolling
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19:05:31changhi guy, just a question
19:05:47changit's is possible to have a volume changing GUI like iPod one ?
19:06:16ravonIs the author of that one here?
19:06:33PaulJam_When i insert the usb cable while in the wps, shouldn't the menu backdrop be shown instead of the wps backdrop?
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19:08:28peturravon: he's not here atm
19:08:39ravonpetur: oki
19:10:46nudelynCan anyone advise me on the best way to view/compare revisions inside an RCS ,v file (without creating a CVS server or reading 100 pages of man files :))
19:11:04ravonnudelyn: Get a cvs frontend :)
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19:11:30ravonor oh. nvm
19:11:39nudelynwill they understand the ,v file without a server in between?
19:11:50ravonProbably not. Hence the "nvm" ;)
19:12:09nudelynhehe :)
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19:12:48linuxstb_rcsdiff ?
19:13:20nudelynthanks, i'll find it & give it a try
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19:21:11Paul_The_NerdDoes this sound not-a-little-bit like *our* VoiceUI?
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19:25:30linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Yes. And reading the comments, it seems the Phatnoise Phatbox has also been doing it for years.
19:25:52nudelynhow can they patent pre-generated/cached text-to-speech? madness
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19:26:07Paul_The_NerdIt's pre-generated text to speech for the purpose of navigating a UI.
19:26:23nudelynheh ... patents are retarded
19:26:30Genre9mp3lostlogic: here?
19:28:08linuxstb_I guess the trick is to make the patent as specific as possible... But yes, it's madness.
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19:30:09linuxstb_PaulJam_: Are you using the latest CVS or Daily build? I thought that WPS backdrop bug was fixed a few days ago.
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19:31:04peturthe creator of that patch is here now
19:31:21RaeNyeit's not a complete patch
19:31:25peturthe one before ;)
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19:31:43RaeNyeLinus said he has no time to work on it,
19:31:57RaeNyeso I modified h100-remote where necessary
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19:31:59ravonyea, so what's the installation procedure? Replace the h100 LCD file with the X5-fixed one and enable remote LCD in the config?
19:32:08RaeNye(apparently, also where not necessary)
19:32:18RaeNyeprolly yes
19:32:40RaeNyemaybe fix some light compilation issues
19:33:02RaeNyeI didn't do any ADC
19:33:14RaeNyeit's mainly getting the lcd to work
19:33:17RaeNyewhat's that?
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19:33:30ravonRaeNye: The compilation errors.
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19:33:42ravonI must've done something wrong.
19:34:41RaeNyedelete the comma at the end of line 293
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19:35:52ravonStill lots of undeclared defines though
19:35:58RaeNyeand modify adc.h to have some ADC_XXX constants for IAUDIO X5
19:36:28RaeNyeADVVAL_XXX, that is
19:36:35nayrhow hard would it be to implement itunes support?
19:37:23Mikachugo to the menu and enable tagcache
19:37:26RaeNyebtw, did anybody else try the dual-boot patch?
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19:39:24PaulJamlinuxstb_: i was using a bleeding edge build from ~2 hours ago.
19:40:03Paul_The_Nerdnayr: The whole point of Rockbox is to liberate a player from any PC-side dependencies.
19:40:11Paul_The_NerdWell, not the whole point, but a rather major one.
19:40:35MoosRaeNye: Rehi, just back, now I can test on the device (let me few minutes), but btw did you test it yourself? is this boot-loader safe enough?
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19:40:55RaeNyeI'm running it with 2.10-k
19:41:18RaeNyeand I flashed my device a dozen of times while debugging
19:41:29*amiconn is tempted to post a comment to this engadget thread...
19:41:37RaeNye(some of which with clearly non-working code... :)
19:41:45MoosRaeNye: btw, why not release one .bin in the Wiki or somewhere?
19:42:10RaeNyeEverybody should pick their favorite FW version
19:42:29RaeNyealso, I'm not sure I want to distibute cowon's FW
19:43:04*amiconn needs to look up when rockbox got its voice UI
19:43:27MoosRaeNye: just make like LinusN always made, release one .bin and add checksums for 1 or 2 cowan fw version ?
19:43:47Moosfor the patcher I mean
19:44:04RaeNyethe patcher is FW version independent as well
19:44:19Esskdoes anyone know a reason for getting a 1 byte file when I try to extract the apple firmware using ipod_fw? (I'm on linux & it's a brand new 5g)
19:44:32Esskoops that should be 0 byte file
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19:44:54linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: I agree that Rockbox is designed to be independent from PC software, but I think it would be a good thing for it to integrate more with PC based music players - as long as it's optional.
19:44:58MoosRaeNye: yeah, but you can easily make it working for iaudios too, including checksums of differents Cowan's version
19:44:58RaeNyeall you need is a standalone x5-patch-original-fw.c (compiled), bootloader.bin (which we should distribute) and a cowon x5-fw.bin of your choice
19:45:34RaeNyeafaik it'll work with x5v as well
19:45:39Mooslet me few minutes and I'll compil this
19:45:45Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Well, I think it depends on the level of integration. I'm not sure how much more we can go beyond what we offer with tagcache already.
19:45:54MoosRaeNye: cool
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19:46:54linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: It's mainly things like syncing a runtime database back to the PC, and allowing a PC application to build tagcache.
19:47:10nayrwell, all mine can see is calendars/notes/contacts
19:47:22amiconnPaul_The_Nerd, linuxstb: I wonder how it is possible for apple to patent this. One comment on the thread says that phatbox does this for years, and rockbox also got its voice ui more than 2 years ago
19:47:33amiconn(14 Mar 2004 to be precise)
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19:48:17Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Ah. Yeah, I'm definitely in favour of that. "Integration" to me was leaning more toward "Dealing with their crap" such as parsing the iTunes database, rather than "Coming up with ways to make them deal with our crap" :)
19:48:41Paul_The_Nerdnayr: Are those the only non-hidden files/folders on your unit?
19:49:01Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I would think that Rockbox and Phatbox would both qualify as prior art.
19:49:06linuxstb_amiconn: I think they've just applied for the patent at this stage. I guess it's up to other people to prove there is prior art.
19:50:22Paul_The_NerdIt's fortunate that it's not "First to file" rather than "First to invent." There's apparently considerable pressure for the former, which would of course kill public domain software since you'd have to patent everything potentially patentable just to prevent a corporation from wandering in and taking it.
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19:51:21MoosRaeNye: are the files in the patch tracker up to date?
19:51:36RaeNyewhich patch?
19:51:57Moosdual-boot one?
19:51:58RaeNyethe DB has two versions, both work
19:52:21RaeNyethe latter has more 'proper' code
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19:53:54linuxstb_nayr: What did you mean when you asked "implement itunes support". What do you need?
19:54:23RaeNyenote the long-press issue, though. It took me a couple of minutes to understand that it *does* work
19:54:40MoosRaeNye: ok, let's me compile first :)
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19:54:50Myth1hi guys
19:55:06RaeNyeravon: anything new?
19:55:59MoosRaeNye: where need I put the .c file in the source dir?
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19:56:41Moosthe x5-patch-original-fw one
19:57:53MoosRaeNye: is your nick registred to freenode for private messages?
19:58:04RaeNyereplace lcd-h100-remote.c in firmware/drivers
19:58:10RaeNyemoos: no
19:58:35RaeNyesorry, ignore the h100 comment
19:58:45Moosyeah I guessed
19:58:56Moosi'm on the dual boot patch
19:58:58RaeNyeI put the x5-patch in tools, and manually compiled it
19:59:07RaeNyecan add to makefile as well
19:59:11RaeNyeit's standalone
19:59:20Moosand compile one bootloader build?
19:59:35Mooswith sources preliminary patched too?
19:59:42RaeNyeyou need build/bootloader/bootloader.bin
19:59:57RaeNyeyes. the patch changes crt0.S and boot/
20:00:11RaeNye(or something like that)
20:00:48BagderRaeNye: is your remote lcd driver monocrome only?
20:00:55BagderI mean 1 bit
20:01:23RaeNyeI'm not sure
20:01:29RaeNyeI think it's 2-bit
20:01:36Bagdersince the h100 remote is 1bit
20:01:45Bagderand comments in your source imply 1bit
20:01:59Bagderjust curious
20:02:05Bagderits still nice progress
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20:02:33linuxstb_Apple's patent application:
20:02:38RaeNyeinteresting. The preloader does store images as 2-bit
20:02:39MoosBagder: already tested patches?
20:03:01BagderRaeNye: the x5 remote is 2bit, yes
20:03:10BagderMoos: reading source code right now
20:04:57Bagdersince it is so much from the h100-remote, it clarly only does 1bit
20:05:08preglowlinuxstb_: hello prior art
20:05:27linuxstb_Sorry, I fell asleep reading the patent....
20:05:36RaeNyeYes. I picked h100-remote.c to change since the SPI and the lcd commands looked very much alike
20:05:40BagderThe neo guys also had this UI since long ago
20:05:42preglowpatent applications are the most boring type of "literature" in the world
20:05:46linuxstb_How can you use so many words to describe something so simple?
20:06:15preglowsome people are annoying
20:06:17RaeNyewell, I really gtg. Mail me if something miserably breaks :)
20:06:22*RaeNye snaps his finger
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20:07:09preglowbut anyway
20:07:17preglowwhat's the status on the application?
20:07:25preglowsurely this'll never go through?
20:07:45Bagderwanna bet?
20:07:47linuxstb_I think the application has just been made public. Not sure what that means in the patent process
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20:08:36amiconnBagder: I offered to write the 2bit x5 remote lcd driver if someone figures out the lowlevel details and points me to the lcd controller datasheet
20:08:53amiconn(and also tells me the orientation of the lcd in the actual remote)
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20:09:23BagderI would've expected that raenye had some of that figured out
20:09:27amiconnShould be fairly simple; the framebuffer format is either a variation of the ipod 2bit or the H1x0 format
20:10:00BagderI mean, why would he submit that code if it doesn't work?
20:10:04amiconnOf course x5 lcd work is postponed until after 3.0
20:10:25amiconn(that also goes for the optimised main lcd update - it's not forgotten)
20:10:46Bagderyeah, that's really post 3.0 stuff indeed
20:11:03Moosamiconn: great
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20:11:23Bagdergggg - "I cannot test any of it as I don't have a RC."
20:11:29Bagderso he guessed
20:11:38Bagderand I think it looks he guessed really wrong
20:11:45Moosuch :(
20:12:32Bagderoh well, he seems on his toes so I bet he'll be back soon with an update! ;-)
20:12:41Mooshehe : )
20:13:29preglowBagder: what process is involved in claiming prior art?
20:13:43BagderI don't know
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20:15:07amiconnBagder: The code is practically the h100 remote driver just with the gpio pins adjusted. Not even the anti-ticking measures are removed
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20:15:24Bagderyes and lots of #ifdefs for h100/300 etc
20:15:30amiconnMy guess is that it won't work
20:15:48amiconn(work as in produce a recognisable display)
20:15:56Bagderthat's my guess too
20:16:13BagderI might check later tonight if something can be made to show on the lcd
20:16:30amiconnI have the lcd datasheet
20:16:52amiconnThe remote is 128x96, correct?
20:16:59amiconnIs it portrait or landscape?
20:17:36amiconnHmm, that still doesn't tell me much as the controller chip supports up to 128x128...
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20:20:21linuxstb_The apple patent also references (and incorporates) this one from July 2003:
20:20:27linuxstb_"Voice menu system"...
20:21:15preglowisn't this a subset of the other one?
20:22:05preglowthese ideas are so novel an infant could accidentally device them
20:22:12preglowdevise too
20:22:44linuxstb_Yes, that what I mean - Apple filed a "voice menu system" patent in 2003, and have just applied to extend it to audio clips generated on a PC.
20:22:59linuxstb_.. from tags.
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20:24:29nudelynbut apple are such a wonderful company with everyone's interests at heart and everything they do and make is perfect and steve jobbs is sexy!
20:25:26Hansmaulwurfgreat sentence
20:25:45preglownudelyn: finished oblivion yet? :>
20:26:09Hansmaulwurfpropably he got an error crash
20:26:12Hansmaulwurflike me :o
20:26:24nudelynclose to finishing all the "good" quests... i'm in programming hell at the moment converting the latest dcraw.c to threadsafe C++ :-|
20:26:38Hansmaulwurfmost bugged game i ever played i think
20:26:54amiconnHmm, we can clock the x5 remote lcd up to 16MHz. Now lets hope the remote lcd has a less crappy wiring than the iriver remote...
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20:27:01nudelyni've found it pretty bug-free considering the size and time i've played it... much better than morrowind was.
20:27:03zambarrohey all
20:27:19Hansmaulwurfelder scrolls 4
20:27:19nudelynhi. yeah
20:27:31zambarrodas rox my brain
20:27:33zambarroim loving it
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20:27:53Hansmaulwurfnudelyn: i get a error crash every half hour and cant leave the game without crashing XP
20:28:03zambarooHansmaulwurf, get new drivers
20:28:18Hansmaulwurfdidnt help
20:28:20zambarooive had the same issue, updated the nvidia drivers −− bam.
20:28:23zambarooall problems gone.
20:28:26nudelynI really need someone who knows more about photoshop to help me automate saving out different versions of my theme. ( ) Doing it manually for different colour schemes (plus nano-sized versions) isn't fun.
20:28:31Hansmaulwurfhave an ATI card zambaroo
20:28:41zambaroooh im sorry :P
20:28:45Hansmaulwurfyeah :P
20:28:54preglownudelyn: i can imagine it's not
20:29:08zambaroowhen i hear "automate" i think imagemagick.
20:29:15zambaroobut that's just me.
20:29:33nudelynphotoshop lets you automate that sort of thing but only for max 2 states per rectangle. :( (designed for mouse-overs on webpages)
20:30:39zambaroowhat id like to know is where are my songs? :)
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20:31:01nudelynthere is a vbscript interface to PS now but it looks complicated
20:31:39amiconnHrmph, the x5 remote lcd format in 2bit mode is neither the H100 format nor the 2bit ipod format
20:31:40nudelynrockbox should support alpha blending to make my life easier :)
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20:33:01captbunzohello, all...
20:33:06captbunzoanyone here?
20:33:30zambarooyah we're just messing with you
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20:33:37captbunzoI am looking for some advice on Rockbox on an iPod 4G....
20:33:38zambarooso guys, where do i put my songs now?
20:33:41amiconnInstead, it is *similar* to the 1bit vertical packed format (archos etc), but uses 2 bytes per 8-pixel block. The 2 bits defining the pixel brightness are spread across these 2 bytes...
20:34:05amiconnMakes it easier to write mono bitmaps, but requires yet another 2bit pixel packing...
20:34:23captbunzoI followed the install instructions. Booted up.
20:34:30zambaroobecause what i have now on the ipod is not seen by rockbox
20:34:35zambarooor i cannot find it w/rockbox
20:34:46zambarooi made no changes to the location of the files though
20:34:57linuxstb_zambaroo: One word: TagCache
20:34:58captbunzoIt booted in fine. Then upon r eboot, it locks on the splash screen.
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20:35:30captbunzoany tips?
20:36:03zambaroolinuxstb_, tagcache..?
20:36:28zambaroooh i see
20:36:29captbunzozambaroo: have you checked into the docs on the website?
20:36:30linuxstb_Try deleting rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder from your ipod, and copy them again. Also, try turning the hold switch on immediately after your ipod is turned on - this will reset your settings to the defaults.
20:36:54captbunzolinuxstb_: thanks.
20:37:00captbunzoI've tried the recopy bit.
20:37:10captbunzoI'll try the reset bit.
20:37:24linuxstb_Also, when you say "splash screen", do you mean the screen with the Rockbox logo?
20:37:37captbunzoI apologize if that is the wrong term.
20:37:46zambaroolinuxstb_, it only took like 5 seconds though
20:37:49linuxstb_OK, so that means rockbox.ipod has been loaded by the bootloader, but it's crashed.
20:38:02captbunzobummer. :)
20:38:05zambarooand on the mainscreen i only see calendars, contacs, notes and rockbox
20:38:13linuxstb_captbunzo: No, it's the right term :) Just making sure you were not using the wrong term...
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20:38:42linuxstb_zambaroo: Have you found the TagCache wiki page?
20:38:47captbunzozambaroo: have you checked out the Ipod FAQ yet? I found it very helpful.
20:38:56zambarooive seen that
20:39:01zambaroohave i missed something?
20:39:24linuxstb_You need to switch rockbox to "id3 database view".
20:40:31linuxstb_Press and hold the MENU button whilst in the file browser, and then press PLAY to toggle the "Show Files" option to "ID3 Database"
20:40:38linuxstb_Then press MENU again.
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20:41:19zambarooewwww now i see it
20:41:53zambaroojeeebus, what's m4p?
20:42:17linuxstb_Protected AAC files.
20:42:22linuxstb_Get rid of them...
20:42:33zambaroomnah i'll just nuke this guy
20:42:37zambarooall of it
20:42:44zambaroocrap anyway
20:42:57zambaroogot it from a chick who fell on it and smashed the lcd to pieces
20:42:58captbunzook. I've deleted the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod..... Now let's see if a reinstall will help at all.....
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20:43:27zambaroo40$ and 10 minutes later had a 20gb ipod hehe
20:43:28linuxstb_captbunzo: Try extracting the zip file directly to your ipod, instead of extracting to your computer and then copying.
20:43:33preglownudelyn: but anywho, you only need to make the nano port, the others aren't important :)
20:43:45zambaroocaptbunzo, are you installing from linux or windows?
20:43:55captbunzookie dokie.
20:44:20zambarooon linux i had to run sync like 3 times and unmount the partition for the fw to actually land
20:44:32zambaroo(how do windows people force sync?)
20:44:47linuxstb_Just unmounting the disk should be enough. WIndows users have "safely remove hardware" - or they disable the cache.
20:44:49captbunzogood question... :)
20:45:53nudelynpreglow: heh true :) i might have a play with photoshop tonight when i'm too tired to code anymore
20:46:10captbunzowoohoo... :)
20:46:18captbunzoI've got it working again..... for now.
20:46:57nayruhh... how do you control volume?>
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20:47:57linuxstb_amiconn: Did you experience shorter battery life than before with your latest ipod battery test?
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20:48:44webguest05hi all
20:48:59linuxstb_nayr: From the While Playing Screen (WPS), use the scrollwheel.
20:49:42captbunzoin "id3 database view" mode, I keep getting the message "TagCache is not ready"
20:50:01Paul_The_Nerdcaptbunzo: Have you run the forced update and restarted?
20:50:03webguest05anybody here know if the rockbox developer will put rock on the new mpio hd400??
20:50:19captbunzoI don't think so.
20:50:27captbunzohow do I "run the forced update"
20:50:29linuxstb_webguest05: Very unlikely.
20:50:48Paul_The_Nerdcaptbunzo: You should read the TagCache instructions then. It's at the wiki page named TagCache
20:50:57captbunzook. will do. thanks!
20:51:02amiconnlinuxstb: yes
20:51:15captbunzowikis are cool :)
20:51:25linuxstb_There have been a few forum posts from people reporting reduced battery life as well...
20:51:52amiconn10:45 in my old test, and only 9:05 yesterday
20:52:23amiconnI have a suspicions what may cause this
20:52:52nayrand does itunes have a way of giving everything an ID3 tagg?
20:53:16captbunzonayr: look into Effpod.
20:53:34captbunzoit is sort of an itunes replacement program.
20:53:39amiconnI good proof would be if nano owners don't observe the shorter battery life
20:53:42webguest05is there a way to make rockbox compatible with a mpio hd400 by my self ??? lol
20:54:48nayrthat's for windows
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20:54:58captbunzoah - sorry!
20:55:06linuxstb_webguest05: Just follow this step-by-step guide:
20:55:37webguest05thx linuxstb
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20:56:33amiconnpreglow ?
20:57:11nayrif I want to disable Rockbox, I can just rename rockbox.ipod to ~rockbox.ipod, right?
20:57:25lowlightHi...does the text viewer work for anyone crashes my h140 and the h120 sim.
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20:58:14linuxstb_nayr: Yes, or hold MENU when your ipod restarts to start the Apple firmware - see the FAQ for instructions.
20:58:25amiconnlowlight: Working fine here... tested on archos player, Ondio FM, ipod mini 2g, h340
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20:59:00fraggstaYou know, I <3 the iAudio X520L I got just today. But what would make me <3 it even more is putting Rockbox on it..
20:59:18Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Freeze on my H120. So far the _only_ freezing reports I've heard are on H120/140
20:59:40Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: It's a hard freeze too, requiring a Reset Button.
21:00:12fraggstaBut I'm scared :(. I also have no idea whether an X5L is what the bootloader page describes as an "x5v". Does anyone know how I find this out? (the identify page doesn't help)
21:00:31amiconnSomething is wrong with the h1x0 sim... it freezes right at the start. Other sims work
21:00:35Paul_The_Nerdfraggsta: The X5L is just an X5 with a larger battery, not an X5V, if I understand correctly
21:00:48lowlightamiconn: the changes of 5/1 seem to have broke it for the h120
21:00:54Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I was talking about on-unit, for my viewer test. Maybe there's something wrong all-around with the H120.
21:01:17*amiconn builds h1x0 target
21:01:36linuxstb_fraggsta: If no-one answers your question here, try browsing the iaudio forum at (there are not many iaudio devs)
21:01:40fraggstaThe other thing I'd like to know is this: I see in the feature requests an audioscrobbler ( plugin. It's been attached to a post as a patch. Will I have to compile rockbox to get this working? If so, is this likely to be scary, and/or result in my player being a brick?
21:01:59nayrwhy can't I get my ipod into disk mode?
21:02:44Genre9mp3what is the file size limit for an archos wps???
21:02:53Genre9mp3anyone know?
21:03:01Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: I'm about 95% certain the L just designates a larger battery.
21:03:26linuxstb_Ah, sorry. I thought he had a V.. Is the V supported?
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21:04:20Paul_The_Nerdfraggsta: You'll have to compile it yes. But you shouldn't be risking bricking with compiling unless you start tinkering with the bootloader, which you won't have to.
21:04:56Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: If I recall there's a V bootloader now. I'm not certain, but I seem to recall it at least being discussed in the X5 forums, and someone looking into it.
21:05:00fraggstaPaul_The_Nerd: Is that particularly hard now, or is it all sufficiently driven by Makefiles to not be hard?
21:05:47Paul_The_Nerdfraggsta: The fact that you used the word "makefiles" without prompting tells me you'll probably find it sufficiently simple, yes. :)
21:05:54linuxstb_Yes, it's just a simple "configure ; make ; make zip" to create the
21:06:06Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Yeah, there's an X5V bootloader now, it seems.
21:06:13linuxstb_What OS are you running?
21:06:34fraggstaPaul_The_Nerd: I haven't done any dev for a while but yeah, I'm pretty familiar with developing and compiling things with the whole GNU toolchain..
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21:06:45linuxstb_Then you'll be at home...
21:06:51Paul_The_Nerdfraggsta: Yeah, cakewalk then.
21:07:07fraggstas'pose it helps that I'm already running Linux
21:07:28captbunzoanyway to check on the progress of TagCache?
21:08:19nayrI got a new ipod warning icon
21:08:27nayrit's a picture of a plug
21:08:34Paul_The_Nerdcaptbunzo: You can check in the debug menu, but it's not always right
21:08:36Genre9mp3wow...really strange behavior.....
21:08:40Paul_The_Nerdnayr: The large charging icon?
21:09:00nayrit's a charger, cia a conventional plug into the wall
21:09:24nayrI shall plug it in...
21:09:55nayrit's foing a clean-reboot now
21:10:14Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Oh, other people are showing up with the 5G always thinking usb is connected issue, I think. In fact, one of him noted his iPod was always showing the plugged-in icon in retail after installing the bootloader.
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21:10:29nayrI can now do "restoring"
21:10:31captbunzoah. I was being dumb...
21:10:35nayrwithout the apple software :D
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21:10:56captbunzodidn't reboot after the tag cache updated.
21:11:09captbunzoI don't think I see that on the wiki page.
21:11:45captbunzoBut I think I saw someone comment on that earlier...
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21:12:23Paul_The_Nerdcaptbunzo: Yeah. I thought someone was supposed to have added that to the page for me. Fixed.
21:13:21preglowamiconn: yeah?
21:13:36*amiconn wonders why the pretty generic vewer code hangs H1x0 _only_ ?!?!?!
21:13:37klrspzGenre9mp3, the last line?
21:13:54amiconnpreglow: Did you observe shorter runtime on your nano recently?
21:13:54captbunzogrr. it appears attempting to play an Mp4 locks it up for me...
21:14:05Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3_: Third?
21:14:15Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3_: It's a little hard to tell, honestly
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21:14:18PaulJamGenre9mp3: i would expect it to show up in the 5th line
21:14:32amiconn(recently meaning since md-april or so)
21:14:34captbunzoand then gets me back to the failed boot problem...
21:15:06captbunzoclearing settings seems to have fixed it this time.
21:15:13Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3_: How 'bout telling us which line it shows up on, so we can try to figure out why it's not doing what you expected it to do.
21:15:34linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: That's interesting that retailos also misbehaves.
21:16:23*petur deletes a folder in the root and sees that his volume label stays
21:16:25Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: I'm not 100% sure it does. The person is in that category of "vague" where I have to start interpreting rather than reading statements. But I think that's what he means.
21:16:33pixelmaGenre9mp3: not sure, but I think it would be the 14th?!
21:16:52amiconnShould be the 7th line
21:17:11amiconnpetur: Did you change anything?
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21:17:59linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Is it in the forum?
21:19:05linuxstb_Oooh, a video..
21:19:06Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Not the OP, but dtechnologies
21:19:51GaloisI've gotten that USB issue in linux
21:20:48peturpreglow: what was the disklabel your player had, and the folder name you deleted?
21:21:00Galoisdmesg gives "usb 1-4: control timeout on ep0out" or some nonsense and the mass storage driver simply doesn't register the device
21:21:03Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Can you think of anything interesting about the 2G Mini that would cause holding menu to boot into retail to fail most times (as in, it instead reboots the ipod, rather than going into Rockbox or Retail)
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21:21:36amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: I have no idea, it worked when I tested it
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21:21:59amiconnNote that I don't use retail at all though
21:22:07amiconn(why shoud I?)
21:22:12Galoisstrangely enough, I solved it by doing rmmod ehci-hcd
21:23:19Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Oh, I agree in the whole "Don't bother using it" thing. I now have two people stating that a significant portion of the time it restarts back into the bootloader after "Loading Original Firmware", and I'd assume some sort of improper install except sometimes they DO get to Retail.
21:24:02Genre9mp4amiconn: I get it in the 6th line.... As I understand it, it counts as text lines: 6,8,13 and 16 but this is really supposed to be that way?
21:24:33Genre9mp4I never experienced this except with Archos
21:25:34amiconnYes, why not?
21:25:42PaulJamGenre9mp3: you could just put all the lines that contain only conditional images at the end of the file, thats how i do it
21:25:52amiconnThey *are* actual content, so they are lines
21:26:40Genre9mp4Yes, but this doesn't happen with any other targets... I made my wps for H300,H100,iAudio, Nano & Mini and it didn't count them as text lines
21:27:15Genre9mp4This only happens with Archos
21:28:02amiconnI would expect these lines to be counted as containing text on all targets
21:28:31Genre9mp4amiconn: No...this doesn't happen
21:28:32amiconn..but then I cannot comment much on this bitmap stuff
21:28:43*amiconn never made a bitmapped wps so far
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21:29:12Genre9mp4The conditionals just load bmps...there is not actuall text in these lines
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21:30:46Genre9mp4If I take the same code on other targets I get the "TEXT!!!" at the 2nd line but on Archos at the 6th line
21:31:26amiconnThen something is wrong on all other units
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21:31:44amiconn%xdX means _display_ loaded image
21:31:46Genre9mp4Or maybe in Archos?
21:32:14Genre9mp4Yes, but in my opinion this shouldn't count as a "text" line
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21:32:57Genre9mp4it only loads a specific image at specific co-ordinates
21:33:12amiconnWhy are there %al tags then?
21:34:05Genre9mp4Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know exactly why, but without them I can't get the animation work
21:34:16Genre9mp4Maybe I'm missing something though...
21:34:41Genre9mp4But I tried before without the "%al" and the animations didn't work
21:36:08pixelmaups *mitgezhlt
21:36:11Learamiconn: regarding the text viewer problem, do you think a zero memory reference could cause a crash on h1x0, but not on others?
21:36:40amiconnzero area is rom, so it shouldn't cause bus hangs
21:36:51Genre9mp4But even if the parser somehow messed up because of the "%al" tag then the TEXT should be in the 3rd line
21:37:00amiconn...and furthermore, it works on H300 which has the same memory layout
21:37:22Learamiconn: well, the viewer does reference rb before it is set up... should be fixed anyway. :)
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21:37:59amiconnoh it does?
21:38:21*amiconn was not yet done with side-by-side comparison of the changes
21:38:40Learsure, reads current_tick before the line with "rb = api;"...
21:38:53Genre9mp4But, anyhow, I think I can find solution to the problem but I felt I should report this in case there is a mis-behavior with the wpses on archos or on other targets....
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21:40:07amiconnyes see it. Ouch!
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21:40:57pixelmaGenre9mp4: I think the problems aren't the tags but that you start a new line (have a paragraph)
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21:41:15amiconnapart from that, old_tick should be long
21:41:29Genre9mp3pixelma: what do you mean by that?
21:42:15amiconnGenre9mp3: Hmm, perhaps you use different line endings in your archos wps and the others?
21:42:33amiconnI mean unix (lf) vs. windows (cr+lf)
21:43:14Genre9mp3amiconn: I copy-paste it from other version of my wps, the same thing I always do..
21:43:22amiconnLear: That's it! Moving the old_tick assignment fixes the crash
21:43:51*amiconn wonders why this bug hit on H1x0 only...
21:44:10peturmem init...
21:44:30peturit was probably not hanging but waiting a very long time?
21:44:30amiconnrb should be zero as long as it's not yet initialised
21:44:40amiconn...and then it should read from ROM
21:44:53*amiconn checks with memguard on h300 and archos
21:44:57Paul_The_NerdBecause it'd been too long since there'd been anything H1x0 specific. H3x0 gets battery life issues, the iPods get alignment woes, the X5 gets being new, and the Archoses get limited ROM space. We had to have a woe of our own.
21:45:25pixelmaGenre9mp3: I don't know how i can explain it, but I think the best solution would be to put the whole thing in a better order (like PaulJam suggested)
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21:46:45PaulJamGenre9mp3: i just tried it in the h300 simulator, the same thing happens (a conditional tag with images is counted as a line)
21:47:14Genre9mp3pixelma: Yes..I can easily put these lines at the end of the file and solve this but I want to ensure that there isn't any mis-behavior by the wps parser or something...
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21:47:41amiconnWhat the heck is an IBE exception??
21:48:16amiconnGenre9mp3: The line endings could still be different if you copy-paste depending on the editor
21:48:32pixelmaGenre9mp3: I think I have it too in one of my WPS
21:49:16Genre9mp3amiconn...I'll check this...I'll try to recopy and ensure about the line-endings
21:49:48XavierGrGenre9mp3: Use notepad2 and enable the view linde endings option
21:49:48amiconnJust check the 2 wps files (preferably with a hex editor)
21:50:00XavierGrnotepad can be quite annoying with line changes
21:50:22Genre9mp3XavierGr: thanks, I'll try that
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21:56:24*amiconn now understands why the uninited rb may hit h1x0 only
21:58:04amiconnrb is indeed NULL, and rb->current_tick is always the same memory cell (in ROM), but it references a pointer, i.e. another level of indirection. It reads the value from rom and uses it as an address
21:58:04Mikachupetur: yes?
21:58:25XavierGrlostlogic are you here?
21:58:32peturgot any details about the vanishing disklabel?
21:58:51amiconnThis might of course be different on h1x0 and h300 (also depending on the retail fw version)
21:59:47Mikachupetur: the theory was it involved removing a directory in /
22:00:11peturtried it, can't reproduce
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22:00:43Mikachui know nothing more than that... i use a nano 2gb if that helps in any way
22:01:01peturbut you had the same problem, no?
22:01:12Mikachuyeah my disk label is gone
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22:01:29Mikachualso, the about screen in the ipod firmware shows a file in / as the title
22:01:46Mikachuit looks funny that it says ORGASMODMOD there
22:02:00*goffa anticipates the arrival of his h140 later today
22:02:21goffahave a job after work this evening though :(
22:02:26peturthat would be a long filename
22:02:43goffaso it'll be late o'clock before i get to play with it
22:02:55peturno it's not a long filename
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22:08:59netcrusher88what size is the image for the apple OS normally?
22:09:21Mikachuthe extracted .bin or the firmware partition file?
22:09:30Mikachu~5 and ~80MB respectively
22:11:04netcrusher88i followed gentoo wiki's directions to update the fw, and i got an extracted .bin of about 4.5 megs... just making sure that sounds right before i go screwing stuff up
22:11:20Mikachugentoo wiki???
22:11:25netcrusher88i run linux
22:11:35Mikachuwhy not follow the rockbox instructions for linux?
22:11:44netcrusher88i wanted the newest firmware
22:11:49netcrusher88so i'm kinda doing both
22:12:54netcrusher88just using the firmware partition extracted from the installer instead of the one on the iPod now
22:13:06Mikachuah, okay
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22:14:18preglowamiconn: i don't really use any of my players much these days
22:14:22preglowso i wouldn't know
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22:15:02preglowpetur: the label was "SMADRE" and the folder delete was recordings
22:15:09preglowpetur: but i don't really think it's a name issue...
22:15:22Mikachupetur: mine was "nano", and my folder delete took so long i aborted it.. :)
22:15:43Mikachupetur: i don't know if the label disappearing happened before or after though
22:16:20Mikachui noticed it disappeared since it stopped being automounted, but i don't remember when that was in relation to the dir delete
22:17:23Mikachuunfortunately the dosfstools for linux don't let you set the label without reformatting
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22:17:44Mikachuand my friend is watching a movie
22:17:54Genre9mp3OK...about the conditional with bmps lines in wps...My bad...I did some tests and I found that they ARE supposed to count as a text line...
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22:18:33Genre9mp3It seem's that there's a text line limit in Archos though (and in Mini2g but bigger) that confused me...
22:19:19preglowMikachu: stopped being automounted
22:19:28preglowthat has just happened with my h120 as well
22:19:29Mikachupreglow: i used /dev/disk/by-label/nano
22:19:39preglowsomething else here, then
22:19:54preglowit's h120 specific too, how lovely
22:20:18Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: The fun thing is that the USB problems on H120 started about the same time as the Viewer problem.
22:20:39preglowi can mount it manually alright, pumount is the thing that doesn't work
22:20:44preglowand i like not having to mount manually when developing
22:20:51preglowi plug and unplug _a lot_
22:20:58Mikachuwhat's pumount?
22:21:10preglowwrapper for allowing any user to mount
22:25:18linuxstb_I just put an entry in /etc/fstab with the user option. I then use a three line script which mounts, unzips and umounts.
22:25:25markunI just read a nice story about hacking the TomTom Go. When they discovered it was using linux they asked for the source but got no reply.
22:25:58markunThen the got the sale forbidden in Germany and TomTom promptly supplied them with all the GPL code and required info :)
22:26:01Mikachulinuxstb_: i use hotplug scripts to mount it and chmod the devices to me
22:27:07linuxstb_markun: You should tell Toshiba that story.
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22:28:58markunlinuxstb_: or kendwood, it's the same code anyway
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22:29:48linuxstb_TomTom certainly seem to be complying now:
22:30:21markunWhat about rockbox with GPS?
22:30:54markunAlso the TomToms use the S3C24x0
22:31:17linuxstb_A future player from the Chinese mp3/mp4 player company will have GPS... So it could happen.
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22:32:06Mikachuso you can lower the volume automatically when you enter the lecture hall?
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22:32:43*Mikachu patents idea
22:32:44linuxstb_And wake yourself up when your train reaches its stop.
22:33:07Mikachuor make pitch depend on travelling speed
22:33:10Mikachuvirtual doppler
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22:34:36lostlogicwould it be possible with the H3x0 or H1x0 to realtime DSP a line-in source straight back to the lineout?
22:34:56lostlogicie to take a source that has some really irritating tone in it, and eq that tone to hell, and listen to it?
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22:38:47dwihnoIs there some kind of pitch control on the swcodec ports btw?
22:38:55lostlogic... yes...
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22:39:59dwihnoany tips on how to do it on ipod?
22:40:09Mikachui may or may not have made a very minor opt to tremor, should it wait until after the freeze?
22:40:12preglowsound settings
22:40:21preglowdwihno: keep select pressed while in spd
22:40:23Mikachudwihno: you can find it in the wps context menu as well
22:40:23preglowwps <-
22:40:26preglowand you should find it
22:40:38dwihnopreglow: spd?
22:40:52preglowdwihno: read my correction
22:40:53Kohlrabiwhat kind of opt? quality or speed?
22:41:06Mikachuit said in a comment "make this a switch statement", so i did
22:42:25lostlogicMikachu: does it help in some noticeable way?
22:42:37Mikachui don't know
22:43:03preglowdwihno: speed by far, it's just a linear interpolating resampler
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22:44:02MikachuKohlrabi, lostlogic:
22:44:26Mikachuhang on, i'll put the original code at the top too
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22:45:33Mikachui don't know if it's faster or slower, but at least it works :)
22:46:24lostlogicshould be faster.
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22:46:43klrspzswitching doesn't short circuit
22:46:44lostlogichmm... maybe...
22:46:52klrspzif statements in c do
22:46:53lostlogicyeah, nvm, should be the same
22:47:13Mikachuklrspz: what short circuit would that be?
22:47:20lostlogicMikachu: missing some breaks
22:47:22KohlrabiI never read the source before :D
22:47:26Mikachulostlogic: it's on purpose
22:47:30KohlrabiI was just interested :)
22:47:34Mikachulostlogic: note the lack of "else" in the original bit
22:47:38lostlogicMikachu: ah
22:47:40klrspzMikachu, ie: a switch tests each case, an ifstatement would stop after the first if it doesn't match
22:47:52lostlogicit is faster actually.
22:47:54Mikachuagain, there is no "else"
22:48:08klrspzdioesn't matter about else's
22:48:15klrspzthat's not short circuiting
22:48:26klrspzif (a && b).. if a is false, then it doesn't even test b
22:48:41Mikachuso you are talking about b->headbit?
22:48:47lostlogicklrspz: a switch should only test cases until it finds the matching one
22:48:51Mikachuthat's only checked if we jumped to default:
22:48:55Mikachuand same for the if statement
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22:49:03klrspzif (a) { if (b) { if (c) { if (d) } } } , if b is false, c,d don't test
22:49:08lostlogicMikachu: I would compile both with -save-temps -fverbose-asm and compare
22:49:37Mikachudon't switches use jump tables or something?
22:49:38klrspzlostlogic, by my understanding a switch is not a test
22:49:43klrspznot in the logical format
22:49:58klrspzyou can satisfy multiple switches in one test
22:50:17lostlogicklrspz: huh? it's gotta have a conditional in it one way or another
22:50:19Mikachulostlogic: i'm not sure that would tell me anything heh
22:50:23klrspzand even have conditionals in a switch case
22:50:26lostlogicklrspz: and there must be some sequence to the conditionals.
22:50:39klrspzby there is, linear
22:50:49lostlogicright, so it can't test them all in all cases
22:50:50Mikachucase X: <- X has to be a compile time constant i think?
22:50:56lostlogicthat would be assinine
22:51:00lostlogicand involve a jump table from hell
22:51:04lostlogicMikachu: yes
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22:51:31lostlogicthe question is: is it more likely for bits to be small or large
22:51:38lostlogicif bits is small then the original code is faster
22:51:51klrspzlostlogic, yes you can
22:51:56lostlogicif it is large then the new code is faster, but if it's most likely to fall between 8 and 32
22:52:27lostlogicklrspz: no, it can't, not without a jump table from hell, and if that's how C compiles switches, then I'm never writing a C program again.
22:52:30lostlogic(ie it doesn't).
22:52:36klrspzswitch (age) { case (age > 10): //stuff here ^n break; case (age > 20)// etc } will test both
22:52:51lostlogicklrspz: that's not a switch.
22:53:00klrspzif (age > 10 && age > 20), if age is < 10, it won't test for 20
22:53:02klrspzyes it is
22:53:05klrspzit's completely valid
22:53:19lostlogicswitch (age) case 10: break; case 20 break; will test 10, then if 10 does't match, it will test 10
22:53:24lostlogica switch finds the first match, and uses it
22:53:30lostlogicwhich is why switches forbid duplicate values.
22:53:34klrspzonly because you are breaking, but that's not short circuiting
22:53:46lostlogicklrspz: you are wrong.
22:53:52lostlogicklrspz: if you don't breka it just falls through into the next case
22:53:53lostlogicit doesn't est it
22:54:07klrspzno matter what?
22:54:12preglowno matter what
22:54:13lostlogicklrspz: correct.
22:54:19lostlogiconce it matches one, it is _done_
22:54:35Mikachulostlogic: do i want to look at .i or .s?
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22:54:49lostlogicMikachu: .s is the assembly
22:55:00lostlogicMikachu: want to send me a diff of the assemblies?
22:56:24Mikachudo you want -u?
22:57:05lostlogicMikachu: plz
22:57:48Mikachuit looks like some random numbers changed throughout the file
22:58:00Mikachui only changed my ifdef and reran gcc though
22:58:20amiconnC usually compiles swicth() statements to jumptables (as long as the values are reasonably close together)
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22:58:34Mikachu1 2 and 3 are pretty close
22:58:40amiconnNo check involved, just some maths for a calculated jump
22:58:42Mikachubut i don't know what it does if i put default: first
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22:58:53amiconnNothing special
22:58:54preglowcombines a conditional and a jump table
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22:59:21amiconndefault: is usually handled as a conditional (out-of-jumptable-range) and therefore must be handled first
23:00:15lostlogicto my reading, the switch will be faster.
23:00:23lostlogicbut it still depends on the typical case
23:00:52lostlogicif the typical case is bits > 32 then it doesn't matter, if the typical case is anything smaller then it's faster.
23:00:56preglowamiconn: you know how m68k-gcc jump tables look like? i'd guess like the one i use
23:01:04Mikachuah, so it should never be slower then?
23:01:10lostlogicMikachu: not afaics
23:02:06amiconnpreglow: Hmm, didn't check yet what m68k-elf-gcc produces. I know very well how sh jump tables look like...
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23:05:44lostlogicMikachu: there's some chance due to the limitations of some instructions that it could be slower on coldfire, requiring another register load to constant, but I'm not positive about that, would hafta look at the asm.
23:06:59fraggstathere are players using 680x0s?!
23:07:41Bagderfraggsta: almost at least
23:08:01Bagdercoldfire is m68k based
23:08:22fraggstathe last time I heard anything about them they were still in a few desktop machines, heh
23:09:27amiconnlostlogic: coldfire does indexed addressing. I think jumptables are faster on coldfire than they are on sh1
23:09:28preglowcoldfire is a stripped down m68k
23:09:31fraggstayes, and Archimedes and Atari ST ;)
23:09:44preglowlostlogic: indexed addressing also only costs you one cycle extra
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23:12:19fraggstait seems like embedded devices are where failed CPU architectures go to die, these days :(
23:12:37preglowm68k was a success
23:12:48fraggstait was a failure in desktop machines, in the long run
23:12:51Mikachuembedded devices are where you can use new cpu architectures without caring about backward compatibility
23:12:51preglowi see it as a nice architecture still today
23:12:54preglowi can't say that for x86
23:13:13Mikachuit's hard to find anything good about x86
23:13:21fraggstado you mean "nice", as opposed to "not as hideously convoluted and complex as x86"?
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23:14:10fraggstaI mean, m68k assembler is fairly simple, but nice? Maybe I just wasn't meant to write assembler..
23:14:51moochcan i update my rockbox installation on the ipod without loosing anything?
23:18:16Paul_The_Nerdmooch: Sometimes an update resets your settings, if it's necessary to. If you've saved them as a .cfg file, you should be able to copy a new .zip over and extract without losing anything.
23:18:30Paul_The_NerdOh, you may need to back up a customized tagnavi.config if you've changed it
23:18:48Mikachuwhat is that file?
23:18:54lostlogicpreglow/amiconn: I was remembering looking at that section of code when I was poking at vorbis many moons ago, and I think that stupid gcc for m68k will end up loading each constant into a register twice with a switch, and once with the ifs...
23:20:37Paul_The_NerdMikachu: tagnavi.config is the file you can customize to modify the layout of the ID3 browser, and define custom quick-searches and such
23:21:24Mikachuah okay
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23:24:38preglowlostlogic: barghgh
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23:49:12captbunzohmmnn... Seems that rockbox locks up whenever I attempt to play an audio file.
23:49:39lostlogicthat's a feature, not a bug. keeps people from damaging their hearing
23:49:43lostlogicwhat platform?
23:49:47scott666Have you tried pushing the buttons /harder/
23:49:59lostlogicwhich ipod?
23:50:06captbunzoIpod 4G B/W
23:50:13scott666what kind of files?
23:50:16captbunzohmmnn. Harder. Let me get a hammer... :)
23:50:49lostlogichmm... go to the debug menu and find cpu frequency, in that screen scroll up once to set the boost count above one, see if that freezes it.
23:51:00lostlogicif not, exit that screen with menu, and then try to play audio
23:51:34lostlogicalso, what biuld are you running?
23:51:57captbunzothat does lock it up.
23:52:11captbunzothe cpu screen.
23:52:18humulusis to possible to have a dual boot, convential firmware / rockbox?
23:52:19captbunzoexcept it froze before I boosted anything.
23:52:30lostlogichumulus: yes
23:52:36captbunzohumulus: yes - that is the default.
23:52:42lostlogiccaptbunzo: just going to the screen locked it up!?
23:52:42XavierGrlostlogic: did you had a chance to listen to my mail?
23:52:45lostlogiccaptbunzo: wtf.
23:52:50lostlogicXavierGr: nope, I still suck.
23:53:14humuluscool i even wanted to check the rockbox code, contribute, but so much other shitt to do :(
23:53:16XavierGrWell you won't if you fix it! :P
23:53:33lostlogicXavierGr: hehe, big if...
23:53:44lostlogicXavierGr: you'are H3x0?
23:53:59XavierGrH340 and H10s
23:54:08XavierGrno H10s
23:54:38captbunzolostlogic: I am using the current daily build.
23:54:43Genre9mp3XavierGr: For a moment I thought you bought a new player and actually ported rockbox on it! :-P
23:54:48lostlogicXavierGr: might be some kind of mute/unmute delay issue with the coldfire based players' audio chips as compared to the wolfson ones
23:54:50captbunzoshould I switch to the "old" option?
23:54:55lostlogiccaptbunzo: no
23:55:00XavierGrI am sure is something with audio playback because there was a time that Slasheri had stumped on those annoying 'pops'
23:55:09humulusanybody with with an X5 here?
23:55:45lostlogicXavierGr: yeah −− I probably just didn't handle said mutting correctly for manual track changes involving a flush, or something.
23:55:58peturah humulus: x5 doesn't dual-boot yet but there's a patch for it I think
23:55:59XavierGrlostlogic: if you have something in mind I am more than willing to test. Those clicks are not so good for a firmware as good as rockbox.
23:56:04Bagderhumulus: yes
23:56:25Bagderand yes, dual-boot on my x5 gives me this lovely... *blackness*
23:56:43XavierGrI remember when I made a person look and listen at rockbox and then he told me: "But it 'clicks' on track change. :(
23:56:58humulusBagder: what are the video codecs the iaudio firmware supports?
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23:57:09Bagderno idea
23:57:14BagderI don't use OF
23:57:30peturthat's the spirit ;)
23:57:32humulusOF ?
23:57:37BagderI did once, I got all confused
23:57:43BagderOF = original firmware
23:58:26humulusthe limitation to filename's length with the OF sucks ;(
23:58:37BagderI don't care ;-)
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23:58:53humulusBagder: is it better with rockbox?
23:58:55BagderI got my x5 purely for Rockbox
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