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00:09:19 | goffa | just over a period of 15 mins though :) |
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00:49:44 | goffa | damn.. these had better sound good ... even if they are diamond encrusted |
00:49:46 | goffa | http://www.macatwork.net/luxurymac/prodotti.html |
00:50:35 | Moos | that just ipods can made this kind of silly things ;-P |
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00:51:09 | goffa | yeah |
00:51:13 | Moos | : ) |
00:51:23 | goffa | at least when you spend money on shure e5c you get good sound |
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00:51:33 | gursikh | 4 |
00:51:33 | Moos | absolutely |
00:51:42 | goffa | but i'm guessing these are just your standard ipod phones with diamonds encrusted |
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00:51:53 | goffa | a fool and his money ... |
00:51:59 | Moos | hehe :) |
00:52:20 | Moos | some people can say the same for us with mutitudes of DAPs... ;) |
00:52:46 | goffa | yeah... i dunno.. i can write that off as function |
00:53:01 | Moos | but anyway time for some sleep here |
00:53:02 | goffa | but with the diamonds maybe you get a lot of... ;) |
00:53:07 | Moos | hehe |
00:53:16 | Moos | c you guys |
00:53:19 | goffa | later |
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01:08:43 | Zigmob | test |
01:09:13 | Zigmob | Ok works fine :) |
01:10:05 | Zigmob | Anyone here who can help me with a difficult iPod 5G + rockbox situation? |
01:11:08 | Presence | whats up? |
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01:13:42 | Zigmob | Hi |
01:13:50 | Presence | sups. |
01:14:08 | Zigmob | Ehm my iPod isn't recognized anymore by my pc (winxp) |
01:14:24 | Presence | why? |
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01:14:29 | Zigmob | or by itune, updater, hpformatting tool etc. |
01:14:49 | Presence | why isn't it being detected? |
01:15:15 | Zigmob | whenever i connect trough usb or firewire it reboots from rockbox into diskmode |
01:15:20 | Zigmob | like it should be |
01:15:46 | Zigmob | but then it shows do not disconnect for 2 secs and then it shows OK to disconnect |
01:16:15 | Zigmob | it doesn't show up as a drive in explorer or anything like that |
01:16:19 | Presence | yeah, that happened to me once. I had to power cycle my PC. complete power off, including the power switch on the power supply of the PC itself. reset the USB "stuff" on the motherboard. |
01:16:57 | Zigmob | but on other pc's it also wont work |
01:17:08 | Presence | has it ever worked on the other computers? |
01:17:40 | Genre9mp3 | sh*t!!! it's the second time today that I go to battery test instead of battery bench plugin! |
01:17:43 | Zigmob | it has worked on my computer, but i only tested it on other pc's when it didn't work with mine |
01:18:46 | Presence | and by "Tested it on other pc's", you mean, you don't have a baseline if those other computers did work with the iPod okay? |
01:19:08 | Presence | regardless, yer not in rockbox territory, its a hardware failure on your PC. |
01:19:20 | Presence | seriously, reboot your box with a complete power cycle. |
01:19:56 | Zigmob | but it also didn't work on other pc's, woh is that to be explained |
01:19:59 | Presence | if you wanna continue to fault rockbox, do the thing where ou boot into Apple's retail firmware, then plug into a usb port again, so yer within apple's shell when it drops to USB disk mode. |
01:20:41 | Zigmob | that doesn't work, it just starts charging then |
01:20:48 | Presence | you know that one computer has worked with youripod for sure. So focus on that one computer then. |
01:20:55 | Presence | and power cycle the fucker. |
01:20:57 | Genre9mp3 | I hate this battery_test and the useless battery.dummy 30MB file it creates.... |
01:21:22 | Zigmob | but now it doesn't work on any computer, sorry if i havent been clear on that |
01:21:43 | Presence | has it ever worked on those other computers? you said earlier that it hadn't worked on other computers at all ever. |
01:21:55 | Zigmob | i can get into apple firmware diskmode through selct+pause |
01:22:36 | Zigmob | it worked on mine, and when it stopped working, i tried other computers and there it also doesn't work |
01:22:51 | Zigmob | *didn't |
01:23:01 | Presence | so, again, ignore those other computers. Maybe they don't provide enough power, maybe they're USB 1.x |
01:23:11 | Presence | focus on your box, which you know has worked, and reboot it. |
01:23:32 | Zigmob | okay 10q |
01:23:38 | Zigmob | will give that a try |
01:23:43 | Presence | try shoving a USB thumbdrive thing into that USB port on your computer, does it work? |
01:23:56 | Zigmob | thumbdrive? |
01:24:09 | Zigmob | is that a usbstick or anything? |
01:24:15 | Presence | you know, the little USB "disk drive" thingies that are like 16 or 64 megabytes and shit. |
01:24:15 | Presence | yeah |
01:24:24 | Presence | try one of those, I betcha it won't work either. |
01:25:41 | Zigmob | my iPod mini does work... |
01:26:02 | Presence | on the same USB port on your computer? |
01:26:07 | Zigmob | yes |
01:26:35 | Presence | how's the battery on your iPod 5thGen? |
01:26:36 | Zigmob | wierd haye |
01:27:06 | Zigmob | it actually works quite fine |
01:27:19 | Presence | I mean, you have plenty of battery power? |
01:27:24 | Zigmob | allthough i have the feeling it charges really slow through usb |
01:27:26 | Zigmob | yes |
01:27:29 | Zigmob | sorry |
01:27:41 | Zigmob | through firewire it charges quicker |
01:27:46 | Zigmob | but full power yes |
01:28:00 | Presence | yeah, USB charging is slow as hell. |
01:28:09 | Presence | welp, you've stumped my level 1 tech support. |
01:28:24 | Presence | you'll need to join #rockbox.level2 for advanced tech support. |
01:28:38 | Zigmob | oke thanx anyway for the attempt |
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01:29:39 | Presence | still think you should reboot, though. |
01:29:58 | Zigmob | ill try that anyway |
01:31:10 | Zigmob | btw rockbox.level2 doesn't exist right? |
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01:31:34 | Presence | haha, indeed it does not. |
01:32:00 | Zigmob | it was quite empty in their :) |
01:32:36 | pixelma | ja |
01:32:45 | pixelma | sorry |
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01:44:13 | Tuan | hmm |
01:44:29 | Tuan | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2111 |
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02:00:25 | goffa | whee... read an article in linux journal on how to convert your audio files to mp3 for itunes |
02:00:37 | goffa | i dropped the author a hint about rockbox |
02:00:48 | goffa | maybe it'll be in the journal next month :) |
02:01:11 | goffa | cross conversion is the devil >:) |
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02:01:49 | Galois | linux journal has gone evil anyway |
02:01:55 | Galois | ever since they hosed linux gazette |
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02:02:08 | goffa | er.. sorry |
02:02:11 | goffa | linux magazine |
02:02:23 | goffa | yeah... i dropped my lj subscription in favor of lm |
02:02:36 | goffa | i'm more of a newbie.. so it speaks to me more :) |
02:03:01 | goffa | gotta have reading for the john... |
02:03:10 | goffa | so far i have lm and mental floss |
02:04:49 | goffa | that was probably tmi |
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02:04:58 | goffa | but i had to plug mental floss too |
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02:07:29 | criminy | If I were to checkout rockbox from cvs and edit it, I'm assuming there is no way to test the build unless I send it to an audio device? |
02:07:44 | sharpe | the simulator... |
02:07:45 | goffa | there's the sim |
02:08:01 | criminy | oh, nice |
02:09:08 | criminy | thanks. I'd like to look around in the code and hopefully do something productive. |
02:09:26 | sharpe | wow, coming up on one page of notes on something i have to... teach, i suppose... |
02:09:33 | sharpe | front and back... |
02:09:33 | goffa | cool deal criminy |
02:10:05 | goffa | what's that? |
02:10:20 | sharpe | ? |
02:11:03 | goffa | wow, coming up on one page of notes on something i have to... |
02:11:11 | goffa | teach, i suppose... |
02:11:17 | goffa | was asking about that |
02:11:20 | sharpe | ah. |
02:11:24 | sharpe | law of sines. |
02:11:40 | goffa | better you than me :) |
02:11:44 | sharpe | heh |
02:12:31 | sharpe | should i include the part in the section about the law of sines, about finding the area of an oblique triangle? |
02:12:51 | goffa | could be useful |
02:13:00 | sharpe | i suppose |
02:13:24 | goffa | my geometry class consisted of watching lots of cartoons and playing taipei(mah jong) on a mac |
02:13:35 | goffa | teacher was going through a divorce |
02:13:40 | sharpe | heheh |
02:13:41 | goffa | we had a sub for half the semester |
02:13:44 | Crazysim | I wonder why the original firmware is so tempermentally loaded when using the rockbox loader |
02:13:48 | goffa | and when he got back.. he was on lithium |
02:13:50 | sharpe | wow. |
02:13:54 | goffa | and cartoons were more important |
02:14:10 | goffa | was fun at the time |
02:14:17 | goffa | but i can't say that it helped me |
02:14:21 | goffa | esp when i got into calc |
02:14:24 | sharpe | mine was filled with... work... although i did get out of a writing assignment for grading papers. |
02:15:02 | goffa | i think i would have rather learned something |
02:15:23 | sharpe | mine wasn't that bad though... teacher didn't care if i showed work or not |
02:15:47 | goffa | yeah |
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02:16:19 | sharpe | i could fit each problem on one line... heh... |
02:16:31 | goffa | that's cool |
02:16:35 | scott666_ | my geometry class was like 50% proofs |
02:16:47 | scott666_ | *shudder* |
02:16:47 | sharpe | never had to do any proofs |
02:16:51 | sharpe | :) |
02:16:56 | goffa | yeah... what little we had involved a lot of proofs |
02:17:02 | goffa | until he had his breakdown |
02:17:23 | sharpe | wow |
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02:18:22 | goffa | yeah.. he remaried like a year later... took his wife's last name |
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02:18:50 | sharpe | don't hear of that too often |
02:18:58 | goffa | no.. first i heard of it |
02:19:06 | scott666_ | wow |
02:19:11 | scott666_ | he sounds like a stable fellow |
02:19:24 | goffa | uh... yeah |
02:19:37 | goffa | house of cards in the wind.. with windows running on top |
02:20:12 | scott666_ | heh |
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02:20:29 | sharpe | now i have to figure out what homework to give. |
02:20:45 | goffa | time to assure the neighbors are awake (drum practice) |
02:20:51 | goffa | good luck with class sharpe |
02:20:57 | sharpe | heh, thanks |
02:20:57 | scott666_ | problems 1-12 and then 13-43 odd |
02:21:26 | goffa | the wierd questions .. or every other ones? |
02:21:31 | * | goffa dodges rotten tomatos |
02:21:41 | sharpe | heh |
02:21:50 | scott666_ | which ever ones dont have the answers in the back of the book |
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02:21:58 | sharpe | i think i'll just do... two for each example covered... one even, one odd... |
02:22:24 | sharpe | about ten problems |
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02:34:53 | Genre9mp3 | Any chance for a rockbox port to iPod flea? |
02:35:35 | Crazysim | is that a SNL refrence |
02:36:07 | Genre9mp3 | hehe...check this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6681445139229604898&q=iPod&pl=true |
02:36:27 | sharpe | it's about the same status as the shuffle port |
02:37:24 | sharpe | :) |
02:37:53 | Crazysim | ah, is there any known issue out about booting to the original firmware for the mini 2g? |
02:38:10 | sharpe | couldn't tell you. |
02:38:17 | Crazysim | darn |
02:40:19 | sharpe | i wouldn't think there is, though... |
02:40:35 | Crazysim | okay |
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02:48:54 | Genre9mp3 | For anyone not convinced yet for what they say about the iPod users (come on now...you know what they say) just check this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2206456349582810544&q=iPod&pl=true |
02:49:05 | Genre9mp3 | sorry...I couldn't resist.. |
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02:51:29 | sharpe | whee... |
02:51:51 | afruff23 | does the X5 have a stop fucntion? |
02:51:55 | afruff23 | function* |
02:52:09 | goffa | i never thought i'd see bush and ipod in the same sentence |
02:52:13 | goffa | waiting for vid to load |
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02:52:29 | afruff23 | I can only get play, pause, ffwd, and rewind to work |
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02:52:37 | afruff23 | does stop exist on the X5? |
02:52:46 | YvesStLrnt | hey can anyone help me with rockbox?? |
02:52:47 | goffa | afruff23: don't think so |
02:53:19 | goffa | its not really needed imo |
02:53:24 | YvesStLrnt | I put the bootloader bin file in my Firmware map, I installed it by turning on the charger, and I put the .rocbkox folder in my ROOT folder.. |
02:53:24 | goffa | pause works |
02:53:29 | goffa | rewind works |
02:53:50 | goffa | did you put rockbox.iaudio into your root folder? |
02:53:54 | goffa | or whatever player |
02:53:56 | YvesStLrnt | yes |
02:54:06 | YvesStLrnt | 1 map, 1 file |
02:54:20 | YvesStLrnt | and x5_fw.bin in Firmware |
02:54:28 | YvesStLrnt | is that the right way? |
02:54:35 | goffa | yeah |
02:54:39 | YvesStLrnt | hm |
02:54:50 | YvesStLrnt | I put different WPS files in the .rockbox map too |
02:54:53 | goffa | then it should act like you are upgrading the firmware |
02:54:57 | qwm | :) |
02:55:04 | YvesStLrnt | yes - it said upgrading firmware.. |
02:55:09 | qwm | map. hehe. are you swedish YvesStLrnt ? |
02:55:15 | YvesStLrnt | no. dutch:) |
02:55:16 | qwm | dutch.. |
02:55:18 | qwm | :D |
02:55:26 | YvesStLrnt | :P but..can you help me? |
02:55:28 | goffa | should boot into it then |
02:55:40 | goffa | try shutting your player off and turning it back on |
02:55:43 | qwm | YvesStLrnt: not really, but i can suggest you use the word "directory" instead of "map". ;) |
02:56:04 | YvesStLrnt | I shut off..Turn it on again |
02:56:20 | YvesStLrnt | I see the list like: Firmware MOVIE MUSIC PICTURE playlist.. (..) rockbox |
02:56:33 | YvesStLrnt | where is the wps directory |
02:56:34 | YvesStLrnt | :S |
02:56:40 | goffa | should be inside .rockbox |
02:56:47 | YvesStLrnt | but how do i get there |
02:56:52 | goffa | oh |
02:56:59 | goffa | um.. hold the record button |
02:57:09 | goffa | on the quick menu show all files |
02:57:17 | criminy | I'm getting a make error on firmware/sysfont.o ? |
02:57:36 | criminy | is this normal/ like, I've skipped a step? |
02:57:52 | YvesStLrnt | I see |
02:57:54 | YvesStLrnt | hmm |
02:58:08 | YvesStLrnt | uhm do I go to themes or wps |
02:58:17 | goffa | oops |
02:58:23 | goffa | tap the record button |
02:58:27 | goffa | go to browse themes |
02:58:44 | YvesStLrnt | yes'' |
02:58:51 | YvesStLrnt | zenpod_visionM"' |
02:58:55 | goffa | should be in there |
02:58:59 | criminy | oh, okay. The wiki doesn't say anything about co fonts |
02:59:01 | YvesStLrnt | zenpod_visionM"' |
02:59:02 | goffa | if you put the file in the right folder |
02:59:09 | YvesStLrnt | .cfg or .wps? |
02:59:27 | YvesStLrnt | i clicked cfg |
02:59:36 | YvesStLrnt | ah I see something:P |
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03:00:16 | YvesStLrnt | why does the screen turn black in like 3 sec? |
03:00:35 | goffa | um.. general settings |
03:00:40 | goffa | just a sec |
03:00:55 | goffa | display -> lcd |
03:00:56 | goffa | backlight |
03:01:02 | goffa | and backlight while plugged in |
03:01:04 | goffa | set those to higher |
03:01:24 | YvesStLrnt | uhm |
03:01:33 | YvesStLrnt | where i find that , display? |
03:01:44 | goffa | under general settings when you tap record |
03:01:53 | YvesStLrnt | ahhhhhhhh |
03:01:54 | afruff23 | I keep getting a message "codec failure" in the X5 uisimulator |
03:01:59 | afruff23 | the files are perfectly normal |
03:02:06 | afruff23 | mp3 |
03:02:06 | YvesStLrnt | thank you man |
03:02:08 | YvesStLrnt | !!] |
03:02:12 | goffa | no prob |
03:02:15 | afruff23 | they work on the X5 itself |
03:03:36 | YvesStLrnt | goffa, are you a programmer for rockbox/ |
03:05:09 | YvesStLrnt | ?? |
03:07:24 | goffa | not even close :) |
03:07:28 | afruff23 | WTF is up with the X5 uisim? |
03:07:32 | goffa | just a rabid fan :) |
03:07:35 | afruff23 | it was working fine jsut a few secodns ago |
03:07:55 | sharpe | i'm working on a plugin for rockbox... yay me... ahah... |
03:07:56 | goffa | the programmers often hang out here |
03:08:20 | * | goffa is thinking of learning of c just for the purpose of playing with rockbox |
03:09:33 | sharpe | heh |
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03:10:39 | YvesStLrnt | ok |
03:10:46 | YvesStLrnt | anyone know where I can download Metronome Plugin |
03:10:47 | YvesStLrnt | ? |
03:10:58 | sharpe | it's in the rockbox install, isn't it? |
03:11:18 | sharpe | unless it was randomly removed... |
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03:11:49 | YvesStLrnt | h, |
03:12:44 | sharpe | according to the latest estimate, US movie studios are losing 6.1 $ billion annually in global wholesale revenue to piracy... |
03:12:56 | BHSPitLappy | o noes. |
03:13:05 | sharpe | mmhmm. |
03:13:27 | BHSPitLappy | honestly, do they think that all people who download dvd's, would have bought the dvd if they couldn't download them? |
03:13:40 | sharpe | heheh |
03:13:51 | BHSPitLappy | if I downloaded a movie, it'd be because I didn't think it was worth renting/buying. |
03:14:07 | BHSPitLappy | if I want the movie, I want the nice case and label and all. |
03:14:23 | sharpe | because cases are cool. |
03:14:58 | sharpe | they're also counting that copies made from a bought movie as a loss to piracy |
03:15:06 | sharpe | that were made... |
03:17:03 | YvesStLrnt | does anyone know how to play doom |
03:17:03 | YvesStLrnt | ? |
03:17:04 | BHSPitLappy | hahaha -> http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/27/nec-falls-victim-to-sophisticated-corporate-identity-theft/ |
03:17:06 | sharpe | ohes noes! wal mark is preparing to put computer parts in stock... |
03:17:17 | BHSPitLappy | YvesStLrnt: yeah... shoot everything that moves. |
03:17:37 | afruff23 | lol, so true |
03:17:46 | afruff23 | except for doors |
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03:17:52 | goffa | YvesStLrnt: did you find it? |
03:17:56 | BHSPitLappy | what do you mean "except for doors" |
03:17:58 | goffa | should be in plugins-> metronome |
03:18:00 | BHSPitLappy | kill those mofos |
03:18:15 | goffa | along with games, etc :) |
03:18:17 | YvesStLrnt | goffa: |
03:18:31 | YvesStLrnt | i created map games/doom |
03:18:42 | YvesStLrnt | put rockdoom.wad & doom1.wad in it |
03:19:15 | goffa | what error are you getting? |
03:19:56 | YvesStLrnt | I dont know how to start |
03:20:01 | goffa | oh |
03:20:06 | YvesStLrnt | i went to plugins |
03:20:09 | goffa | plugins ->doom |
03:20:09 | YvesStLrnt | selected metronome |
03:20:18 | goffa | oh... let me go and try it |
03:20:54 | YvesStLrnt | ah |
03:20:58 | YvesStLrnt | I selected the doom thing:P |
03:22:50 | goffa | ah.. metronome.. don't know how to start it |
03:23:02 | YvesStLrnt | the only thing it says is: Starting Graphics engine |
03:23:07 | goffa | i mean the plugin starts... but it won't click |
03:23:15 | goffa | hmm |
03:23:21 | goffa | i haven't tried the doom plugin |
03:23:28 | goffa | anyone know if its fully working on the x5? |
03:23:31 | goffa | i was thinking it was |
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03:24:40 | YvesStLrnt | hmm |
03:24:52 | YvesStLrnt | whats metronome by the way? |
03:24:58 | BHSPitLappy | ha |
03:25:06 | BHSPitLappy | YvesStLrnt: a metronome keeps time for musicians |
03:25:24 | YvesStLrnt | oooooooh i know now |
03:25:39 | YvesStLrnt | what does it has to do with doom, coz i read on forum u have to start metronome and then doom |
03:26:40 | goffa | ah... i can't get the metronome to start playing |
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03:35:09 | YvesStLrnt | nor I can Doom.. |
03:35:10 | YvesStLrnt | :? |
03:35:24 | YvesStLrnt | can anyone tell me what is Gapless PLayback |
03:35:34 | zigford | no |
03:35:43 | zigford | its a secret |
03:36:13 | zigford | between songs there are no gaps |
03:36:14 | dongs | huhuhu |
03:36:28 | YvesStLrnt | O |
03:36:38 | zigford | great for albums like pink floyds "The Wall" |
03:36:54 | YvesStLrnt | okAY |
03:37:20 | dongs | "greaT" and "pink floyd" in same sentence |
03:37:27 | YvesStLrnt | which Wps do you use |
03:37:42 | zigford | dongs: Depends on your mood. |
03:37:49 | zigford | YvesStLrnt: headphones |
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03:42:32 | YvesStLrnt | ok |
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03:46:18 | dongs | oh nice. russian.lang got fixed. |
03:48:04 | YvesStLrnt | zigford: where did you download headphones wps |
03:55:51 | criminy | I get out in three weeks? do you think a rockbox video stuff will be decent by then? If not I'll try when I've got the time |
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04:01:12 | * | goffa doubts that video will be going in 2 weeks |
04:01:17 | goffa | er 3 |
04:03:11 | YvesStLrnt | so |
04:03:20 | YvesStLrnt | goffa why do you use RockBox:P |
04:03:26 | sharpe | maybe two months.. |
04:03:36 | YvesStLrnt | cuz its faster/ |
04:03:45 | zigford | YvesStLrnt: From the rockbox website |
04:03:54 | goffa | YvesStLrnt: musepack codec mainly |
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04:04:00 | goffa | games are nice too:) |
04:04:19 | goffa | and yeah.. its faster too |
04:04:30 | YvesStLrnt | musepack?'] |
04:04:35 | goffa | but aparently mpc is more important than battery life |
04:04:50 | YvesStLrnt | wots that |
04:05:09 | goffa | musepack.net... in a nutshell about the same bitrate as mp3 better sound quality |
04:05:21 | goffa | and i have about 20,000 of them |
04:05:50 | YvesStLrnt | ahh |
04:06:08 | goffa | so converting to another codec would be inconvenient .. unless i re encoded them.. but then they'd sound like crap |
04:06:12 | goffa | as mpc is lossy |
04:06:40 | goffa | some of the cds are scratched too.. so reriping is impossible |
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04:09:26 | goffa | i like the development speed of rockbox compared to cowon too |
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04:09:39 | sharpe | garrrr! |
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04:11:40 | dongs | yes i like how i complained about a bug yesterday and its already fixed. |
04:11:40 | dongs | :D |
04:12:46 | goffa | yeah... only one thing i don't like about it... and i've got a stop gap fix for now... and it may be changed in next version |
04:12:59 | goffa | i switched navi and play button actions |
04:13:07 | goffa | but i had the freedom to do that |
04:13:46 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5106 for the full idea |
04:14:31 | goffa | well i guess i'd like an option to change the default action of the button |
04:14:49 | dongs | i want a "stop |
04:14:52 | dongs | " button |
04:15:17 | goffa | dongs: why? |
04:15:38 | goffa | i mean ... why isn't pause good enough? |
04:16:02 | goffa | otherwise back then pause accomplishes the same thing |
04:16:05 | goffa | maybe i'm crazy |
04:16:08 | dongs | cause.. pause is bad! |
04:17:03 | goffa | what button would you use for stop? |
04:17:08 | goffa | or would it be a menu option? |
04:18:44 | goffa | i'm just asking... because i can't really think of a use that would trump one of the current buttons |
04:19:53 | goffa | you could have a combo, but it wouldn't be any more effective than back, pause |
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04:21:17 | dongs | doe sthat stop? |
04:21:42 | goffa | well... stop does what? stops playback, and reverts to the beginning of the file, right? |
04:21:53 | goffa | so... yeah.. essentially |
04:21:59 | dongs | well yeah, stop stops playback and released cpu tasks related with decoding. |
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04:22:23 | sharpe | no! never! you don't know stop! you lie! stop is stop! you don't quesiton stop! i am incoherent right now! goodnight! |
04:22:26 | dongs | i wonder if holding down pause is stop |
04:22:31 | sharpe | heh... |
04:22:38 | dongs | it seems to be that but i cant tell |
04:22:39 | goffa | ha ha ha sharpe |
04:22:56 | YvesStLrnt | no |
04:22:58 | goffa | yeah... if you pause too long then your player will kick off |
04:23:00 | YvesStLrnt | if u hold pause] |
04:23:03 | YvesStLrnt | u go to music list |
04:23:16 | goffa | YvesStLrnt: i'm not saying hold pause |
04:23:22 | goffa | im saying tap pause in wps |
04:23:25 | dongs | YvesStLrnt: that doesnt stop playback? |
04:23:27 | sharpe | lonely is me tonight. |
04:23:34 | sharpe | well, i'm going to sleep. night everyone. |
04:23:41 | goffa | night sharpe |
04:24:05 | YvesStLrnt | ow ok sorry :) |
04:24:13 | YvesStLrnt | well cya all later |
04:24:17 | goffa | dongs: try this to know for sure |
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04:24:30 | goffa | load an aac file (because that really works the cpu) |
04:24:33 | goffa | then pause it |
04:24:45 | goffa | then see if jewels or bubbles plays |
04:24:53 | goffa | without chugging |
04:25:01 | goffa | then try it while the aac is chopping |
04:25:07 | goffa | that would be the truest test i could find |
04:25:20 | goffa | otherwise i wouldn't be able to tell the difference |
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04:33:52 | dongs | if I wanna test the new language.h fix for languge file buffer, is rockbox.ipod all i need to replace? |
04:35:23 | goffa | i think you need to replace both rockbox.ipod and .rockbox |
04:35:31 | dongs | but.. but.. |
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04:36:26 | goffa | you wont turn it into a brick if you try |
04:40:31 | dongs | well it worked |
04:40:31 | dongs | huhu |
04:40:55 | dongs | shit, ipod nano theme doesnt ahve a titlebar but now i can see the default theme does |
04:41:02 | dongs | now i gotta hax it to make it have one :( |
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05:18:21 | Angel_of_Death | ok help is required |
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05:19:06 | dongs | try to ask. |
05:19:13 | Angel_of_Death | my EQ on my iPod used to be set to 4dB for the bass and it was a big diff from 0........ that seemed to just go away one day maybe when i updated... even if i turn the bass up to 9dB the bass doesnt actually get louder |
05:19:25 | Angel_of_Death | ive updated a few times since then and the problem hasnt fixed itself |
05:19:29 | Angel_of_Death | any ideas? |
05:20:06 | dongs | have you |
05:20:07 | dongs | actually |
05:20:09 | dongs | turned on the EQ? |
05:20:13 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
05:20:14 | dongs | (i know, silly question but still) |
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05:20:22 | Angel_of_Death | it's on alright |
05:20:28 | Angel_of_Death | when u mess with graphical EQ it changes |
05:20:38 | Angel_of_Death | but not the bass treble and mid menus |
05:20:47 | dongs | ah, that im not sure |
05:20:52 | Angel_of_Death | i mean, it says it changed but u cant hear the changfe |
05:20:53 | dongs | lemme try. i have a nano. |
05:21:08 | dongs | works here. |
05:21:11 | dongs | noticeable difference |
05:21:13 | Angel_of_Death | yeah, used to work |
05:21:19 | Angel_of_Death | well it gets louder |
05:21:20 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, bass/treble never worked correctly. |
05:21:22 | dongs | you mean in Sound Settings/Bass? |
05:21:27 | midkay | currently they just sort of raise the volume. |
05:21:33 | Angel_of_Death | midkay, it did for me untill about a week ago |
05:21:34 | dongs | (i jsut tried with few hours ago cvs) |
05:21:36 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
05:21:36 | midkay | (maybe that's changed a bit) |
05:21:53 | midkay | i haven't touched them recently |
05:22:05 | Angel_of_Death | yeah before when it did work it raised the volume, but u could here the diff in base |
05:22:06 | dongs | Angel_of_Death: it "works for me", as far as I can tell. |
05:22:10 | dongs | Angel_of_Death: but main EQ is off. |
05:22:27 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, there *was* no difference in bass. |
05:22:30 | dongs | though that has no effect. |
05:22:36 | Angel_of_Death | no midkay there was |
05:22:43 | Angel_of_Death | my earphone would rattle |
05:22:48 | Angel_of_Death | where as at 0db it doesnt |
05:22:48 | midkay | no Angel_of_Death there wasn't |
05:22:57 | midkay | that was the result of the sound being *louder*.. |
05:23:07 | Angel_of_Death | lol that did happen |
05:23:13 | Angel_of_Death | but the base used to go up also.... |
05:23:22 | Angel_of_Death | im no dumb shit i know what base is :P |
05:23:36 | Angel_of_Death | bass |
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05:23:51 | midkay | and i know what code is, and the bass-for-iPod portion is nonexistant. |
05:23:58 | dongs | so what does it do? |
05:24:08 | Angel_of_Death | well... something has changed |
05:24:12 | midkay | if the little boys and girls want to believe it makes a difference, let them, i suppose.. |
05:24:21 | Angel_of_Death | unless under some weird phnomina it worked |
05:24:39 | Angel_of_Death | lol i have a woofer u can tell when the base goes higher |
05:24:51 | midkay | ah, yes, we've had that a lot lately. it's where code comes out of nowhere and applies itself. rather weird. |
05:24:55 | Angel_of_Death | and plus songs sound empty without boosted base and normal when its on |
05:25:00 | midkay | certainly more plausible than you being mistaken.. |
05:25:25 | Angel_of_Death | well i'de stake my life that it worked lol |
05:25:40 | Angel_of_Death | i went thru 3 or 4 builds with it working |
05:25:58 | dongs | midkay: okay, what happens when i adjust bass now and sound changes? |
05:25:59 | Angel_of_Death | recently i notied music wasnt sounding as *awesome* and i relized the bass wasnt working anymore |
05:26:02 | dongs | does it just up the volume? |
05:26:05 | Angel_of_Death | it just goes louder |
05:26:09 | Angel_of_Death | it always did that |
05:26:10 | dongs | i see. |
05:26:17 | * | dongs doesnt know the difference anyway. |
05:26:47 | midkay | dongs, i'm not exactly sure, it only seems to go louder. i've tried it myself and i've asked once and heard numerous times that it only adjusts the volume, though i haven't personally checked the code.. |
05:27:08 | dongs | are the bass/treble controls for hte hardware adjustment? |
05:27:27 | midkay | they aren't 'for' anything, yet. |
05:28:10 | Angel_of_Death | well the graphical eq def works |
05:28:22 | Angel_of_Death | but i could only tell the difference in bass when im wearing my earbuds |
05:28:24 | dongs | that shit is too complicated for people like me |
05:28:31 | Angel_of_Death | cause if u have anything more than sensible bass they rattle |
05:28:37 | Angel_of_Death | as if they are blown out |
05:28:45 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, of course, the EQ works. |
05:29:02 | midkay | bass and treble do not. |
05:29:16 | Angel_of_Death | i wish i knew which build i used to have..... so i could tell u and u would see lol |
05:29:17 | jnc | if you put the volume over 70%, it could be distorting |
05:29:22 | jnc | get a real headphone amp |
05:29:25 | Angel_of_Death | march 19th worked |
05:29:29 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, i would see what? |
05:29:44 | Angel_of_Death | midkay do u have an iPod? |
05:29:56 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, yes, as a matter of fact, i do. |
05:30:09 | Angel_of_Death | pretty sure it worked with march 19th im gonna install it on my iPod and if it works ill let u knows |
05:30:14 | Angel_of_Death | and u can tell me why it works lol |
05:30:36 | Angel_of_Death | what theme do u use midkay? |
05:30:48 | midkay | sigh, i guess i'll hunt down the code so you can see for yourself.. |
05:30:58 | midkay | my own theme, brushed metal.. well, a modified version.. |
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05:31:40 | Angel_of_Death | is there another page besides http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodvideo where u can get builds? |
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05:31:51 | Angel_of_Death | that only brings me back to begining of lastmonth |
05:32:04 | midkay | cvs builds or daily builds. |
05:32:09 | midkay | that's as old as it gets// |
05:32:17 | Angel_of_Death | BAH |
05:32:30 | Angel_of_Death | well those might have worked i dont remeber |
05:32:56 | midkay | there hasn't been a cvs change to fix it or even change it.. |
05:33:12 | Angel_of_Death | well something happend |
05:33:14 | Angel_of_Death | cause it worked |
05:33:16 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
05:33:30 | Angel_of_Death | your just gonna have to belive me :P |
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05:34:32 | midkay | hm, let's see.. believe some guy who thinks that bass is working, or believe myself who has asked the question and seen the answer many times.. toughie. |
05:34:49 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
05:35:05 | midkay | when do you claim it's working? |
05:35:16 | Angel_of_Death | i know it was working march 19th |
05:35:23 | Angel_of_Death | but they dont have that build anymore on their site... |
05:35:42 | midkay | so you say there has been a definite change since march 19th or so? |
05:35:54 | Angel_of_Death | well it was working and now its not so i would say so |
05:36:10 | midkay | k, we've got today's commit of saving the settings correctly (2006 2 May 21:47).. |
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05:36:28 | midkay | 2006 29 Mar 07:57's commit of saving them in the first place.. |
05:36:39 | midkay | and 2006 30 Jan 21:12's first implementation. |
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05:37:36 | Angel_of_Death | doesnt work 4-1 i just checked |
05:39:49 | dongs | huhu |
05:40:06 | Angel_of_Death | bah this frustrates me |
05:40:12 | Angel_of_Death | i know it worked and im not crazy lol! |
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05:41:39 | midkay | i guess you can't be convinced.. |
05:41:57 | midkay | i'd be happy to be proven wrong, but i'm very sure it's not working. |
05:42:09 | Angel_of_Death | do have a build from 19th of march? |
05:42:28 | midkay | no, i could make one.. |
05:43:21 | Angel_of_Death | well if u made one it wouldnt be the same as the build they made then correct? |
05:43:53 | midkay | yes it would.. |
05:43:58 | Angel_of_Death | how would u make it |
05:44:19 | midkay | compile it.. |
05:47:35 | dongs | you checkout by that date |
05:47:37 | dongs | and build it as usual |
05:47:46 | Angel_of_Death | bah |
05:48:01 | Angel_of_Death | i didnt save my settings before updating ipod to an older build |
05:48:23 | dongs | huhuhu |
05:48:25 | dongs | owned |
05:48:41 | dongs | they will reset with todays cvs anyway |
05:49:02 | Angel_of_Death | well.... now my font is off on the theme and its using the wrong font |
05:49:04 | Angel_of_Death | intersting |
05:49:10 | Angel_of_Death | and dongs |
05:49:17 | Angel_of_Death | pretty sure one cant be owned by an iPod |
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05:50:44 | Angel_of_Death | midkay, brother says in march 30 the bass worked... |
05:50:52 | dongs | what theme are you using? |
05:50:56 | midkay | but not april 1? haha. |
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05:51:09 | dongs | ive been trying to find something nonugly for nano |
05:51:18 | Angel_of_Death | i use ajant blue |
05:51:18 | midkay | that makes it easy to determine.. |
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05:54:17 | midkay | nothing could have changed it except *maybe* the mini2g sound driver (unlikely).. |
05:54:23 | midkay | i'll check it out and try it |
05:54:41 | dongs | lalw thats huge |
05:54:51 | dongs | 5g ipod is 320x240? not bad. |
05:54:52 | dongs | har |
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05:59:33 | Angel_of_Death | whatever |
05:59:44 | Angel_of_Death | ill just fiddle with the graphical one till i get it the way i like |
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06:00:20 | midkay | what codec do you use? |
06:00:38 | Angel_of_Death | mostly mp3, some ogg. wavs. in there tho |
06:00:51 | midkay | what model? |
06:00:54 | midkay | 5g? |
06:00:56 | Angel_of_Death | there is a specific song tho which i use to determine the bass lvl lol |
06:00:59 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
06:01:05 | midkay | alright |
06:01:35 | midkay | compiling.. |
06:02:00 | Galois | why does the main web site only keep dailies back to april 3? |
06:02:52 | Angel_of_Death | ask em |
06:03:17 | Galois | lack of disk space or what |
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06:03:51 | midkay | possibly, but they aren't that big.. |
06:04:03 | midkay | probably just very little reason to keep such old ones around |
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06:04:15 | midkay | especially when you can check it out and compile it yourself if you really need to |
06:05:06 | Galois | UsingCVS doesn't tell the n00bs how to check out old versions |
06:05:29 | midkay | Galois, well, i think we're assuming that n00bs shouldn't need such old builds.. |
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06:06:38 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, i'm using it now. bass changes nothing except the volume. |
06:07:23 | Angel_of_Death | maybe i had a corrupted version which by some miracle made it work. which is impossible |
06:07:38 | midkay | it's also impossible that you were *hearing things*? |
06:07:47 | midkay | placebo? |
06:07:50 | Angel_of_Death | yes thats completly possible |
06:07:54 | midkay | you thought it was working, so you heard it working. |
06:07:56 | Angel_of_Death | but my friend noticed the change to lol |
06:07:59 | midkay | but it wasn't. |
06:08:08 | Angel_of_Death | playing satisfaction if uve ever heard it |
06:08:18 | Angel_of_Death | and i was like this sounds like crap and we turned the bass up and the volume down |
06:08:23 | Angel_of_Death | and therewas more *boot* ness |
06:08:24 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
06:08:25 | midkay | um.. eve or something? |
06:09:08 | midkay | hm. |
06:09:14 | midkay | anyways, think what you want :) |
06:09:31 | Angel_of_Death | yeah whatever |
06:09:40 | Angel_of_Death | theres no explaination for me |
06:10:07 | Angel_of_Death | wish those estimated times on the themes were right.... |
06:10:16 | Angel_of_Death | lol says mine will last 8 hours and it lasts maybe 3 |
06:10:26 | midkay | find the correct 5G mAh and they'll be more correctg |
06:11:16 | Galois | the nano says 8 hours and it lasts about 8, but I'm sure that's just an accident |
06:11:32 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
06:11:34 | * | Tuan waves |
06:11:40 | Angel_of_Death | 5g says 13 hours or whatever i belive |
06:12:00 | Angel_of_Death | but u have to take into concideration were using rockbox not apples crappy firmware |
06:12:06 | midkay | haha. not if you haven't screwed with your mAh setting.. |
06:12:11 | Angel_of_Death | so theres more things to do, with my theme more things to display |
06:12:31 | Angel_of_Death | no no, im saying apple saud 13 hours |
06:12:43 | Angel_of_Death | my estimated says 8 when fully charged |
06:13:02 | Angel_of_Death | but it goes down quickly, i cant make it 8 hours at school listening to it for a total of 3 hours without having to charge |
06:13:07 | Angel_of_Death | i have to bring my charger with me lol |
06:13:08 | midkay | right, and if you found the correct mAh value, it would be even lower.. |
06:13:54 | Angel_of_Death | bah this site has all the capacities cept nano and 5g and harry potter 5g lol |
06:14:28 | midkay | right |
06:14:32 | Angel_of_Death | 450 mAh |
06:14:40 | Angel_of_Death | but rockbox wont let me set it under 1300 |
06:15:41 | midkay | you sure it's 450? |
06:15:43 | midkay | where did you find that? |
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06:15:53 | Angel_of_Death | hmm that cant be right lol |
06:16:01 | Angel_of_Death | http://www.batteryship.com/htmlos/htmlos.cgi/batteryship/catalog.html?item=616-0229 |
06:16:18 | webguest29 | For your attention: a quick note: |
06:16:20 | webguest29 | 3 May 20:22Peterfirmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c 1.31 |
06:16:33 | webguest29 | dosen't fixes the problem and cause a new problem: |
06:16:41 | webguest29 | peter, you've made a new error. see what's happening when you're overscrolling the text when screen scroll out of view = yes, the icon gets inverted. |
06:16:54 | webguest29 | It's somwhat annoying I already did this work and some more work of something we already discussed about putting in and it's ignored... |
06:16:58 | webguest29 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5182 |
06:18:06 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, hm, interesting. let me fill in that value.. |
06:18:12 | webguest29 | I want to emphasis wev'e already discussed one key long hold for screen scrolling and it was considered a good idea. |
06:22:20 | Angel_of_Death | midkay, find the vaule yet |
06:22:27 | Angel_of_Death | i havent |
06:24:10 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, no, i don't see it anywhere. |
06:24:13 | midkay | 450 sounds potentially right. |
06:24:19 | midkay | certainly closer than 1300.. |
06:24:37 | Angel_of_Death | midkay, brother has a 4g just tried bass on his from march 30 and it worke.... why not on 5g? |
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06:25:13 | midkay | siiiiiiiiigh. whatever. you're right. bass works. will you stop asking about it now? |
06:25:34 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
06:25:37 | Angel_of_Death | it does! |
06:26:59 | midkay | yes, yes. |
06:27:30 | Angel_of_Death | do u have a 4g? |
06:27:38 | midkay | 5g. |
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06:32:24 | Angel_of_Death | doesnt matter |
06:32:34 | Angel_of_Death | rockbox will only set the vaule at 1300 minimal |
06:32:43 | Angel_of_Death | unless i would code, which im not |
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06:37:13 | Galois | it's easy coding. #define BATTERY_CAPACITY_MIN in firmware/export/powermgmt.h |
06:37:28 | midkay | Angel_of_Death, i can code and commit, no problem.. |
06:37:39 | midkay | but 450 is in fact way too low.. 1000mah seems like a reasonable estimate, but blah.. |
06:38:25 | Galois | I suspect the nano is well under 1000 |
06:38:35 | midkay | more than likely, yes.. |
06:39:28 | Angel_of_Death | well my iPod lasts an hour maybe i should put it on a very basic theme and see how long it lasts with no crossfade, eq and such |
06:44:37 | Angel_of_Death | how hard would it be to modify a theme |
06:44:46 | Angel_of_Death | i want to put a dance puff duo in my theme |
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07:08:19 | scott666_ | is there any difference in firmware between the 30GB and 60GB ipods (5G)? |
07:09:02 | scott666_ | or essentially: is it a bad idea to just skip to the last step when flashing another ipod with all the firmware files dumped and made |
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07:15:48 | Crazysim | possibly, I have no authority but I remember that on the arstechnica article about the nanos, the 4gb and the 2gb had diffrent internals. |
07:15:56 | Crazysim | then again |
07:16:13 | scott666_ | thats a nano though |
07:16:15 | Crazysim | the nanos ahve one firmware |
07:16:24 | dongs | so did teh bass thing get solved? |
07:16:26 | Mikachu | i think they don't have the same amount of ram |
07:16:37 | Crazysim | i dunno, I 'm just idling |
07:16:50 | scott666_ | does that change the firmware file that gets flashed to it though? |
07:16:55 | Mikachu | (the 30 and 60GB version) |
07:17:09 | Mikachu | it would seem silly to have a runtime check for it |
07:17:16 | Mikachu | but you never know with apple |
07:17:23 | Crazysim | is it really a flash? |
07:17:30 | scott666_ | i dont think so |
07:17:33 | scott666_ | but i had an archos |
07:17:42 | Crazysim | ? |
07:17:47 | Crazysim | nevermind |
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07:18:59 | scott666_ | it doesnt really matter, i already did it |
07:19:12 | scott666_ | im just trying to find out if i might have fucked up his ipod |
07:19:13 | scott666_ | heh |
07:20:14 | scott666_ | my gut tells me its fine |
07:20:41 | scott666_ | which is really all that matters |
07:20:44 | dongs | if it boots its probably fine |
07:21:06 | scott666_ | did you know the gut has more nerve endings than the brain? |
07:21:09 | scott666_ | look it up |
07:21:36 | scott666_ | now some of you are going to say 'hey, i looked that up and its false' |
07:21:41 | scott666_ | thats because you looked it up in a book |
07:21:52 | scott666_ | books have no heart |
07:22:20 | scott666_ | whos britanica to tell me the panama canal was built in 1915? |
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07:22:34 | scott666_ | if i want to believe it was built in 1941 thats my right as an american |
07:22:45 | scott666_ | heh |
07:22:50 | scott666_ | ok, thats enough colbert |
07:23:25 | Galois | Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past. |
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07:27:00 | BHSPitMonkey | too bad the past is in the wrong hands. |
07:30:22 | Presence | scott666, the only difference between a 30GB and a 60GB that would maybe make any difference is the 32MB vs 64MB of ram. |
07:30:53 | dongs | i liked how the nano instructions were only 4 step and fairly painless. |
07:31:09 | Presence | but both have the same "cache" iram, chipset, blah, so should be fine.. maybe just not quite as much buffer space. |
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07:44:13 | darkless | lostlogic: ping |
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07:51:50 | scott666_ | Presence: im only talking about the file that you copy over when you update the bootloader. when I installed rockbox on my 60GB i went through all the instructions step by step. when I installed it on my friends 30GB i just skipped to the last step, since the rockboot.bin file was already made. all im wondering is if id get hte same result if i'd did it from scratch the second time |
07:52:45 | Presence | yeah, I would bet its exactly the same. |
07:53:28 | Presence | same sector 61 for config files, rockbox uses only 32MB of memory for both machines.. it'd make sense. |
07:54:26 | scott666_ | ok |
07:54:28 | scott666_ | cool |
07:54:58 | scott666_ | rockbox only uses 32MB even when there are 64MB present? |
07:55:27 | Tuan | OMG ROCKBOX ROX MY SOX |
07:55:43 | scott666_ | You sound try Sockbox |
07:55:56 | scott666_ | its the number one open source sock drawer firmware |
07:55:58 | Tuan | haha |
07:56:07 | Tuan | does rockbox work with car ipod interfaces? |
07:56:16 | scott666_ | not yet |
07:56:36 | Tuan | damn |
07:56:41 | scott666_ | unless its like a tape -> headphone jack kinda deal |
07:57:44 | Presence | yeah. |
07:58:00 | Presence | 32mb for even the 60gb device. |
07:58:01 | Presence | :^/ |
07:58:06 | scott666_ | why? |
07:58:11 | Presence | dunno. |
07:58:22 | B4gder | because no one addressed it |
07:58:47 | B4gder | and that's because we'd like a single build for both 32 and 64MB videos |
07:59:04 | scott666_ | ah, right, that'd be an issue |
07:59:14 | * | scott666_ remembers the 8MB recorder builds |
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08:00:38 | scott666_ | wouldnt that increase battery life quite a bit though? or not so much |
08:01:06 | B4gder | if you never skip any songs, you'd of course more than double the time between spinups |
08:01:22 | B4gder | so sure, it should save battery |
08:01:32 | Mikachu | and halve the actual number of spinups |
08:01:34 | Presence | yeah... |
08:01:49 | scott666_ | are spinups still the biggest power drain? |
08:01:54 | B4gder | yes |
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08:02:06 | Mikachu | and keeping spinning :) |
08:02:49 | B4gder | it will of course spin slightly longer since it needs to read more data |
08:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | But overall still a decent improvement. |
08:03:21 | Presence | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-02/0280.shtml |
08:03:30 | Presence | interesting, sounds like it would be a fun thing to |
08:03:33 | Presence | *try* |
08:04:01 | B4gder | I don't think that'll be enough |
08:04:05 | scott666_ | so why hasnt it been done yet? is addressing more ram non-trivial? or is it just on a long list of things to be done for the 5G ipods, or both |
08:04:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wasn't, if I recall. |
08:04:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | scott666_: If I remember correctly, that didn't actually work. |
08:04:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other thing is that we want it to detect RAM size at runtime, not compile-time, so that there's only one 5G build. |
08:04:48 | B4gder | I don't think that change affects the .lds fiels |
08:04:50 | B4gder | files |
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08:20:45 | scott666 | attempting to create an account on the flyspray page still brings me to a blank page. is this officially broken, or am i the only one having problems? |
08:21:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clicking to register as a new user brings me to a page with prompts 'n such |
08:21:32 | scott666 | yup |
08:21:39 | scott666 | its the page after that thats broken |
08:21:56 | scott666 | (for me anyway) |
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08:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm. I can't really test _that_ one. Y'know, without creating a second account 'n all. ;-) |
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08:23:57 | scott666 | you wont create one if its broken |
08:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but if it's *not* broken, I will. |
08:24:13 | scott666 | you dont have to activate the account if it works |
08:24:30 | scott666 | right? |
08:24:46 | scott666 | or is there not a 'click here to activate your account' link when you finish |
08:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | scott666: My confirmation email has been sent. The page works fine. |
08:25:09 | scott666 | hmm :-/ |
08:25:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Already got it even |
08:25:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Proceeded to ignore and delete it, as it suggested I should. But, yeah, it works. :) |
08:25:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try a different browser? |
08:26:03 | scott666 | ive tried in FF and IE |
08:26:08 | scott666 | whatd you use just now? |
08:26:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | FF 1.5.0.3 |
08:26:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could have too strict security policies or something? |
08:26:54 | scott666 | i havnt restarted firefox yet, im still on .0.2 |
08:26:56 | scott666 | heh |
08:28:20 | scott666 | when i click 'send code' i get a page with no text |
08:29:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I get one that tells me it's sent. |
08:29:24 | scott666 | same happens in IE6 |
08:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still wondering if it's some sort of security policy. |
08:30:13 | scott666 | such as? |
08:30:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. |
08:30:54 | scott666 | same result in opera 8 |
08:31:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I mean, if it's working for me, it's most likely something at your end. Set the security to the minimum default in IE, sign up, then restore it, see if that works. |
08:31:37 | scott666 | does firefox even have settings like that though? |
08:32:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Firefox has security settings, they're just in different places. If it's exactly the same in Opera, maybe it's something else. I dunno. But it's not the server. |
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08:32:51 | scott666 | i dont get it |
08:33:09 | scott666 | i should go find a proxy and try that |
08:33:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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08:33:56 | RoC_MM | http://www.econsultant.com/proxylist/index.html |
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08:34:40 | scott666 | just used PHProxy |
08:34:42 | scott666 | same result |
08:35:52 | scott666 | as well as a random proxy from RoC_MM's link |
08:37:01 | scott666 | any ideas? |
08:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you try the security thing in IE? |
08:40:48 | scott666 | no, but i really dont see how thats going to help since the result is exactly the same in FF and opera |
08:40:52 | scott666 | but ill try it anyway |
08:42:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes well, even if you're 99.9% sure an idea is wrong, if it's not going to harm anything to test it, you should, just so the possibility is eliminated absolutely |
08:44:25 | ravon | Anyone who've tried the X5 dual boot patch? |
08:45:07 | dj-fu | I love rockbox |
08:45:10 | dj-fu | just thought I'd say it again |
08:45:17 | ravon | :D |
08:45:53 | scott666 | hmm |
08:46:23 | dj-fu | so yea, big up to whever optimised libmad last week or the week before |
08:46:25 | scott666 | so setting the security settings to low in ie let me get through, and i got the email |
08:46:37 | scott666 | but now i still cant log in |
08:46:57 | B4gder | well, that works for hundreds of people |
08:47:12 | B4gder | indicating the problem is not in the server end ;-) |
08:47:23 | ravon | I wonder what the X5 says if I hook a 3V adapter up to the 5V charger connection. |
08:47:53 | scott666 | global preferences might require your account to be approved by an admin |
08:47:56 | ravon | It claims to be charging at least. |
08:47:58 | scott666 | is this the case? |
08:48:41 | B4gder | there are 4 users with scott6* |
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08:49:05 | B4gder | and two more with other numbers |
08:49:17 | scott666 | is that a problem? |
08:49:21 | B4gder | probably |
08:49:37 | B4gder | what user are you trying to login as? |
08:49:59 | scott666 | ahh |
08:50:19 | scott666 | the problem is that theres no 'this user name is taken' error message when creating an account |
08:50:56 | scott666 | i must have typed it wrong when i tried again in ie |
08:51:59 | scott666 | picked a new one and created it without problem |
08:52:31 | scott666 | at least its only partially my fault |
08:53:01 | B4gder | so again, what user are you trying to login as? |
08:53:26 | scott666 | i just created 'scottmyran' |
08:53:33 | scott666 | and im logged in now |
08:54:32 | scott666 | ive been trying to create 'scott666' without much luck |
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08:54:47 | voltagex | hi |
08:55:44 | scott666 | whats up |
08:55:54 | voltagex | not a lot |
08:59:35 | linuxstb | midkay: I read your discussion about bass on the 5g in the logs - the audio codec in the 5g doesn't have bass/treble settings, so I can confidently say it's never worked in Rockbox. But I think it's implemented for all other ipods. |
08:59:57 | amiconn | nope |
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09:00:21 | amiconn | The wm8731/wm8731/wm8711 don't have tone controls at all |
09:00:32 | midkay | linuxstb, i was quite sure it wasn't, but some people are so adamant... :) |
09:01:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I wasn't sure about the mini. So it's just the 4Gs and Nano... |
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09:02:03 | kclaf | damn ive been away some days, now i have go through 2371832376 CVS commits |
09:02:06 | midkay | 4g and nano does have bass/treble adjustment? |
09:02:12 | linuxstb | Yes. |
09:02:31 | linuxstb | The 5g has a hardware 5-band EQ as well, but I've never tried it. |
09:02:44 | midkay | interesting.. |
09:02:54 | dj-fu | need a little more optimisation for nano before I can crossfeed+eq+playback in realtime |
09:03:01 | * | dj-fu bribes people |
09:03:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes. 1g..3g and mini 1g/2g have no hardware tone control. 4g/color and nano have hardware treble/bass. 5g has hardware 5-band eq (unused in rockbox) |
09:03:14 | midkay | btw, wouldn't limiting the EQ to two or three bands result in less overhead and thus maybe mp3 playback sans skipping with it enabled? |
09:03:23 | midkay | that's very cool |
09:03:51 | amiconn | midkay: If you keep an eq band at zero, it does exactly what you want |
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09:04:33 | midkay | amiconn, interesting, thx |
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09:07:28 | darkless | the crossfade rework that lostlogic made on Apr 23rd breaks seeking for me |
09:07:43 | voltagex | it seems as if everyone's given up on getting tracker music working in rockbox |
09:08:22 | preglow | what makes you say that |
09:08:23 | voltagex | it turns out that it would be a very large job rewriting libDUMB, and that there's a player at deadcodersociety.org that should work with minimal modification |
09:08:38 | preglow | there's already a mod player in the patch tracker |
09:08:42 | B4gder | ... and there's a patch that plays mods |
09:08:53 | dj-fu | what's tracker music? |
09:08:55 | voltagex | oh dear, I have been away too long |
09:09:02 | voltagex | B4gder: XM as well? |
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09:09:06 | preglow | no |
09:09:08 | B4gder | and you talk too much without checking first ;-) |
09:09:09 | preglow | just check it out |
09:09:09 | voltagex | ok |
09:09:18 | voltagex | yeah, sorry |
09:09:46 | B4gder | and please don't say we can use anything " with minimal modification" unless you intend to prove it yourself |
09:09:57 | voltagex | I guess mods are easier to play than xm,s3m,it |
09:10:12 | voltagex | B4gder: by that I meant, it uses fixed point math already |
09:10:26 | preglow | is it any good? |
09:10:33 | preglow | i believe dumb has a pretty good compatability |
09:10:36 | B4gder | and I mean that talking is easy, making the code to support it is harder |
09:10:40 | ravon | voltagex: oh, there you are :) |
09:10:41 | amiconn | voltagex: There's more than just that, e.g. does it use malloc? |
09:10:53 | preglow | amiconn: of course it does |
09:10:58 | preglow | amiconn: we'll have to fix that ourselves |
09:10:59 | voltagex | amiconn: not sure, it was written for the GP32 |
09:11:05 | preglow | wtf |
09:11:16 | voltagex | I did not mean to piss everyone off |
09:11:18 | preglow | everything uses malloc |
09:11:31 | ravon | Malloc can be wrapped as in the dumb-plugin |
09:11:38 | preglow | we don't want to wrap malloc |
09:11:44 | ravon | O_o |
09:11:46 | preglow | we want to get rid of it |
09:11:48 | B4gder | and it isn't always that easy to wrap it |
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09:11:57 | B4gder | if they use it extensively |
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09:12:08 | ravon | If it makes me play tons of mod formats as a plugin, I'd be happy with a wrapped malloc. |
09:12:09 | preglow | and for mods, they probably try to malloc for all the data |
09:12:15 | preglow | our malloc buffer isn't that big |
09:12:28 | ravon | The dumb-plugin uses an internal buffer. |
09:12:28 | voltagex | slightly offtopic, is there any way to losslessly cut bits out of mp3s? |
09:12:32 | amiconn | voltagex: Apart from that; there's a patch in the tracker that adds 4-chan mod playback |
09:12:32 | preglow | i think this is the reason the mod player in the patch tracker can't take large mods still |
09:12:35 | preglow | voltagex: yes |
09:13:01 | preglow | we'll need a mod specific loader to fix that problem |
09:13:11 | voltagex | preglow: large mods are >64k ? |
09:13:24 | preglow | voltagex: well, mods aren't usually large |
09:13:29 | preglow | voltagex: but xms and s3ms and its are |
09:13:37 | amiconn | No, > (512K - mod_codec_ram_needs) |
09:13:38 | preglow | i've got xms over 20 megs |
09:13:46 | preglow | right |
09:13:46 | voltagex | all the mp3 cutting tools are crapware/spyware/shareware that I've seen |
09:13:53 | linuxstb | voltagex: Try mp3directcut |
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09:14:05 | voltagex | preglow: wow, what kind of samples do they use? |
09:14:08 | voltagex | linuxstb: thanks |
09:14:12 | preglow | voltagex: large 16 bit ones |
09:14:33 | voltagex | betcha it sounds good though. |
09:14:42 | preglow | sure does |
09:14:49 | amiconn | preglow: You really have xms and s3ms _that_ large? |
09:14:54 | preglow | amiconn: xms, yes |
09:14:56 | preglow | not s3ms |
09:15:02 | amiconn | The largest modules I've seen are IT modules |
09:15:42 | voltagex | talking about IT modules, Impulse Tracker is cloned by Schism Tracker, which works on XP (yay!) |
09:16:48 | voltagex | crap, I didn't back up the crosscompilers on my machine |
09:16:50 | amiconn | Modules that large don't make sense imho. The corresponding mp3/ogg would be smaller... |
09:16:59 | * | voltagex digs through the wiki |
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09:17:12 | preglow | hrm |
09:17:17 | preglow | largest module i can find right now is 9 mega |
09:17:18 | preglow | megs |
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09:17:29 | preglow | probably got the other ones stowed away on some cds |
09:18:18 | voltagex | preglow: you can download the entire modarchive.com site as torrents |
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09:19:47 | amiconn | preglow: You're right, my largest xm is 12megs, while my larges it is only 3 megs... |
09:20:14 | amiconn | s3ms just go a little above 1meg |
09:20:19 | amiconn | ..here |
09:21:33 | preglow | not too many large s3ms |
09:21:51 | preglow | lots of the screamtracker people used gus |
09:21:56 | preglow | so had to keep the sample size down |
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09:36:26 | crwl | did s3m support 16-bit samples and the like? |
09:36:52 | crwl | it did have some kind of lossless sample compression, too |
09:42:37 | linuxstb | LinusN: I think you may have misread the comments about the X5 dual-boot patch - RaeNye said it was "OF version independent". I understand that to mean that it's NOT tied to any specific OF version. |
09:42:51 | LinusN | hmmm |
09:43:02 | B4gder | I interpreted it that way too |
09:43:39 | B4gder | and looking at the code, it seems to be fairly independent |
09:44:05 | LinusN | .equ pcf50606_read, 0x30202584 |
09:44:14 | LinusN | independent my a$$ |
09:44:22 | B4gder | ? |
09:44:26 | linuxstb | Isn't that a Rockbox function? |
09:44:34 | LinusN | no |
09:44:59 | LinusN | it's code copied to dram by the cowon bootloader |
09:45:13 | linuxstb | OK... So independent my a$$ is an apt description. |
09:45:33 | LinusN | however, it *is* independent of the of |
09:45:47 | LinusN | but instead depends on the bootloader version |
09:45:57 | B4gder | yes, that is an artifact of his approach |
09:46:11 | LinusN | the *cowon* bootloader version |
09:46:16 | B4gder | which is a bit too relaxed |
09:46:40 | LinusN | let's just hope that there is only one cowon bootloader... |
09:47:31 | B4gder | but what is the bootloader doing with that cowon bootloader stuff? |
09:47:56 | LinusN | i asked him, and he told me that they were "better" |
09:48:03 | amiconn | Isn't that violating the gpl? |
09:48:15 | * | B4gder just reads the x5-patch-original-fw.c source |
09:48:16 | LinusN | amiconn: no |
09:49:06 | B4gder | ah, now I see your point |
09:49:11 | B4gder | me dislike that |
09:49:43 | linuxstb | Is the only reason for the cowan bootloader version dependency to use "better" versions of some functions? |
09:50:15 | LinusN | no, i think the rockbox equivalents need the rockbox kernel to work, and that isn't started at that point in time |
09:51:12 | LinusN | iirc, the x5 pcf50606 driver doesn't use any kernel functions...hmmm... |
09:53:07 | LinusN | another problem is that the cowon firmware relies on the memory mapping donne by the cowon bootloader, which is different from rockbox |
09:53:38 | LinusN | his approach is to do the Rec check before rockbox sets up the map |
09:54:54 | linuxstb | That sounds the easiest approach - but replacing the OF functions with Rockbox's versions would be much cleaner. |
09:55:18 | LinusN | yes, but that might hit us too in the future |
09:55:30 | LinusN | when we optimize the pc50606 driver |
09:56:13 | linuxstb | Then just keep a simple version of the driver for use in the bootloader. |
09:56:39 | B4gder | sounds fair |
09:57:16 | linuxstb | Any idea if the cowan bootloader is user-upgradable? |
09:57:26 | LinusN | i don't think so |
09:57:36 | B4gder | not that we've found out anyway |
09:58:30 | preglow | urgh, that's nasty |
09:59:50 | voltagex | eill I break things building rockbox for m68k with 4.0 versions of gcc? |
09:59:57 | linuxstb | Also, why isn't it a GPL violation as amiconn asked? |
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10:00:08 | B4gder | only if anything is distributed |
10:00:14 | B4gder | which it isn't |
10:02:02 | preglow | voltagex: might work |
10:02:08 | preglow | voltagex: but it's not recommended |
10:02:27 | voltagex | preglow: currently I have the source for whatever the latest 3.4 version was |
10:02:44 | voltagex | and I don't really feel like downloading new bzips |
10:03:42 | voltagex | gtg anyway |
10:04:10 | voltagex | I don't have scrollback, so you'll have to tell me the right version when I'm back :S |
10:04:13 | voltagex | bye |
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10:19:13 | muesli__ | btw when you set foreground color to white cos ur using a dark background system messages cant be read due they still appear in black. thus i suggest to set system font color equal to foreground color |
10:22:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought the splash was always black on gray. Did that change? I'll admit, I don't pay attention to splashes at all any more. |
10:26:47 | dj-fu | the captions? "loading" etc? |
10:27:20 | dongs | i think he means the bootscreen. |
10:27:22 | voltagex | hi again |
10:27:30 | dongs | which is some yellow image on a white bg with black text. |
10:27:34 | dj-fu | bootscreen, oh. mine's colored |
10:27:36 | dongs | (for me) |
10:27:44 | dj-fu | mine is blue bg with black text and the rb icon |
10:27:51 | voltagex | is gcc-3.04 really the best for compiling rockbox? |
10:28:00 | B4gder | voltagex: 3.04 ? |
10:28:21 | voltagex | B4gder: that's what it says in the wiki |
10:28:22 | B4gder | all info you need => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
10:28:24 | B4gder | no |
10:28:30 | B4gder | it says 3.4.x for m68k |
10:28:36 | dongs | you mean 4.03? |
10:28:40 | voltagex | http://www.rockbox.org/cross-gcc.html |
10:28:54 | B4gder | see the URL I showed above |
10:29:03 | B4gder | you've found something extremely outdated |
10:29:13 | dongs | heh |
10:29:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, A) That's incredibly dated, and B) That was SH1 specific anyway... Note the "last modified" date of '02 |
10:29:50 | voltagex | oops, lol |
10:29:57 | B4gder | reload that page now ;-) |
10:30:29 | voltagex | lol, it's the VoltageIncompetence redirect |
10:30:32 | voltagex | thanks |
10:31:47 | voltagex | now, for my next trick, I will find a mirror that won't count towards my tiny download limit |
10:33:08 | dongs | australia , eh |
10:33:29 | voltagex | dongs: yep, where our fastest DSL speed is 1.5mbit |
10:33:33 | dongs | hot |
10:33:46 | darkless | smoking |
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10:33:51 | voltagex | ADSL2 is *in testing* as it gets rolled out in some metro-suburbs |
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10:36:01 | B4gder | you don't need adsl2 to go way above 1.5mbit though |
10:36:42 | voltagex | B4gder: true, theoretical 8mbit/1mbit right? Telstra is limiting it artificially |
10:37:02 | voltagex | and most ISPs go: OMG you want to actually download a file!! OH NOES! |
10:37:10 | B4gder | its even works 8/1 in real life |
10:37:18 | B4gder | at least |
10:37:29 | voltagex | heh, not on Aussie copper it won't |
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10:37:41 | B4gder | sure it does |
10:37:52 | voltagex | hrrm |
10:38:21 | voltagex | still, means nothing to my friend, who is 4km south of me, and dials-up at 24kbit |
10:38:59 | * | B4gder expects his 8mbit adsl to be upgraded soonish |
10:39:15 | voltagex | grr |
10:39:16 | dj-fu | w00t |
10:39:25 | * | voltagex moves to japan, gets 1gbit link |
10:39:26 | dj-fu | the local-loop is about to become unbundled here in New Zealand |
10:39:38 | * | voltagex moves from japan to nz |
10:39:40 | dj-fu | currently all the copper is owned still by Telecom, so they monopolize the shit. |
10:39:57 | B4gder | dj-fu: we've just gotten that here too |
10:40:08 | voltagex | that unbundling was meant to happen here soon too |
10:40:29 | dj-fu | I pay (currently) 54.95 nzd for 3.5mbit/128k @ 30gB cap |
10:40:43 | dj-fu | expecting that to go down dramatically, each ISP will be able to charge whatever they like |
10:40:47 | voltagex | am I the only one in australia who downloads 40+GB/month? |
10:41:07 | dj-fu | I doubt that highly :P |
10:41:17 | dj-fu | voltagex: the loop in Aus is already unbundled |
10:41:41 | voltagex | dj-fu: has anything changed due to it? |
10:41:53 | dj-fu | no idea. I'm not in aus :) |
10:41:58 | voltagex | lol |
10:42:07 | dj-fu | I do know that multiple companies can offer broadband because of it, some cheaper than others |
10:42:20 | voltagex | 1.5mb still costs $70-100/month |
10:43:20 | dj-fu | fark |
10:43:22 | dj-fu | that's expensive as hell |
10:43:24 | dj-fu | with how big cap? |
10:43:27 | dj-fu | unlimited? |
10:44:32 | voltagex | checking now |
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10:47:04 | voltagex | you've gotta be kidding me... 2.5gb limit on a 1.5mbit connection? |
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10:47:38 | voltagex | LOL 1.5mbit, 200mb limit, $140 per extra GB!!! |
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10:49:22 | dj-fu | esus, that's expensive voltagex |
10:49:24 | dj-fu | +j |
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10:49:57 | voltagex | that's good, ADSL2 is starting to be pushed, big time |
10:50:02 | voltagex | with 24mbit max speed |
10:50:24 | voltagex | they still haven't got a clue about download limits |
10:50:50 | dj-fu | I'd rather have slower net and an unlim cap |
10:50:55 | dj-fu | better for torrent seeding on ratio sites |
10:50:57 | voltagex | yeah |
10:51:05 | dongs | oshit you beter type slower |
10:51:09 | dongs | or youre gonna go over your limit |
10:51:12 | dj-fu | lol. |
10:51:14 | voltagex | dj-fu: legal torrents, of course |
10:51:25 | dj-fu | for sure |
10:51:31 | voltagex | dj-fu: 4 days in, 6+GB downloaded |
10:51:35 | voltagex | :S |
10:51:47 | dj-fu | it's 4th of may here, i've done 14gb already |
10:51:50 | dj-fu | gotta slow it down |
10:52:22 | voltagex | lol |
10:52:27 | * | B4gder checks his ifconfig... 1.5 GiB download in 16 days... :-) |
10:52:38 | dj-fu | lol |
10:52:52 | voltagex | I'll borrow your quota, B4gder |
10:52:53 | * | B4gder pats his very cool 8mbit connection |
10:53:01 | B4gder | haha |
10:53:01 | dj-fu | what cap, B4gder ? |
10:53:04 | B4gder | none |
10:53:08 | dj-fu | *_* |
10:53:09 | dj-fu | how much? |
10:53:16 | voltagex | -_- |
10:53:20 | B4gder | ~45 USD |
10:53:23 | dj-fu | jesus christ |
10:53:24 | voltagex | I would be downloading like a mofo |
10:53:27 | dj-fu | fuck yeah |
10:53:37 | dj-fu | B4gder: moment of truth.. what about Upstream? |
10:53:37 | B4gder | I download all I want and need |
10:53:42 | B4gder | 1mbit |
10:53:51 | dj-fu | faark |
10:53:56 | dj-fu | i would love to have a conn like that |
10:54:11 | voltagex | so what's the maximum download speed off that? |
10:54:21 | voltagex | 1000 kilobytes a second? |
10:54:28 | voltagex | so basically 1mb a second |
10:54:30 | dongs | 800k+- |
10:54:31 | B4gder | I get slightly less |
10:54:33 | voltagex | give or take |
10:54:38 | B4gder | yes, I get around 800KB data |
10:54:39 | dj-fu | *dsl or cable? |
10:54:43 | B4gder | adsl |
10:54:45 | voltagex | ok, I'm gonna do the math |
10:55:15 | dj-fu | does it actually connect at 8000kbit or 8*1024kbit? |
10:55:30 | B4gder | good question |
10:55:46 | B4gder | I guess reading up on adsl standards could tell |
10:55:46 | dj-fu | O |
10:55:54 | dj-fu | or the adsl status of your router :P |
10:56:06 | voltagex | 2880 megabytes an hour |
10:56:18 | dj-fu | I pay for 3.5mbit, but i'm >5km from the phone Exchange so I get about 2.5mbit, pos. |
10:56:47 | voltagex | errm that can't be right |
10:57:00 | voltagex | I come up with 2000 gigabytes a month |
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10:57:37 | voltagex | google says 800 (kilobytes a second) = 2 006.33532 gigabytes a month |
10:57:47 | voltagex | and that's conservative |
10:57:54 | dj-fu | -.- |
10:58:03 | dj-fu | need a crapload of storage |
10:58:05 | voltagex | now, even I'm not gonna fill up a 2TB array in a month |
10:58:32 | voltagex | gotta love google |
10:58:42 | dongs | 2 tb a month would be abuse. |
10:58:45 | voltagex | theoretical max of ADSL2 is 24 (megabits a second) = 7 704.32763 gigabytes a month |
10:58:59 | * | voltagex passes out |
10:59:02 | dongs | plus you'd have to try real hard to find 2tb of content worth downloading. |
10:59:17 | darkless | linux isos? ;) |
10:59:25 | * | dj-fu nods |
10:59:28 | voltagex | dongs: depends if you want to stay legal |
10:59:33 | dongs | no thanks. i own a number of windows xp licenses. |
10:59:38 | * | darkless downloads everything linked from distrowatch |
10:59:43 | darkless | :p |
10:59:45 | dongs | lunix isos would be as useful to me as a 5th wheel. |
10:59:47 | * | dj-fu splutters |
10:59:52 | dj-fu | someone who owns windows xp licenses? |
10:59:52 | voltagex | wget -rc http://teh-intarweb |
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11:00:05 | dj-fu | i've only _ever_ owned one license to windows, the xp home that came with my lappy |
11:00:13 | dj-fu | OSS >* |
11:00:21 | darkless | wget ftp.entirearchive.google.com :O |
11:00:30 | dj-fu | lol. |
11:00:38 | dongs | xp home is trash. real laptops come with xp Professional. |
11:00:54 | dj-fu | real laptops get fdisked and linux installed on em |
11:00:59 | voltagex | xp professional is trash. real laptops come with Vista beta |
11:00:59 | darkless | word |
11:01:06 | darkless | @ dj-fu |
11:01:19 | dj-fu | lol, installed that latest vista interm build on a work machine, took about half an hour to "start" up after installing |
11:01:22 | dj-fu | nasty shit |
11:01:28 | dj-fu | we ended up leaving before it even got the deskto up |
11:01:29 | dongs | lol @ taking a 2 grand piece of equipment and installing an OS on it which doesnt even support power management or hibernation |
11:01:31 | voltagex | have you ever run a vista beta? 900mb of ram used IDLE |
11:01:48 | dj-fu | dongs: you been under a rock for the past couple of years? |
11:01:49 | dongs | a) its called debug build b) it doesnt use 900megs. |
11:01:49 | voltagex | dongs: modprobe acpi? |
11:01:51 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders where any Rockbox related discussion is. |
11:01:52 | dj-fu | i have S1-4 acpi |
11:02:15 | B4gder | markun: hows the usb situation on gigabeat as a comparison? |
11:02:18 | dj-fu | Paul_The_Nerd: this is an OSS vs. non OSS discussion, we're working upto including rockbox eventually |
11:02:24 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: feel free to kick me from the channel. I started this |
11:02:26 | dongs | dj-fu: i hit the power button on my Windows XP Professional SP2 laptop, and it hibernates to disk in about 5 seconds, and i can go take it anywhere i want to, hit power again, and its back to my desktop in another 5 seconds. |
11:02:27 | darkless | dj-fu: lol |
11:02:31 | dongs | dj-fu: lets see you do that with lunix, sir. |
11:02:44 | dj-fu | dongs: echo "disk" > /sys/power/state |
11:02:50 | voltagex | dongs: Suspend To Disk support |
11:02:50 | dj-fu | my 4 seconds beats your 5 seconds |
11:03:29 | darkless | it depends on how much crap you've loaded into your ram, that goes for both OS'es |
11:03:29 | markun | B4gder: compared to what? |
11:03:30 | dj-fu | as I said, been living under a rock for past few years or so dongs? |
11:03:38 | dongs | suspend to disk haha. and what do you do after you upgrade memory? |
11:03:41 | dj-fu | you may wanna try out a live cd of a popular distro which is newbie friendly |
11:03:46 | dongs | oh right |
11:03:49 | dongs | gotta resize that swap partition |
11:03:50 | dongs | to fit more |
11:03:52 | dongs | lol! |
11:03:58 | B4gder | markun: compared to the possible telechip approach. Are you gonna need to write a usb stack if you want usb support while in Rockbox? |
11:04:00 | dj-fu | linux doesn't need swap while ram > 2gb |
11:04:05 | dongs | and what tools are tehre for lunix to resize partitions? oh, right thats what I thought |
11:04:05 | dj-fu | it can _actually_ manage memory |
11:04:06 | voltagex | dongs: what swap partition? |
11:04:15 | * | dj-fu nods @ voltagex |
11:04:18 | dongs | you're telling me lunix suspend-to-disk 2gb of memory in 4 seconds? |
11:04:27 | voltagex | dongs: mandrake installer can resise ntfs |
11:04:31 | dongs | you're full of shit. |
11:04:31 | dj-fu | lol, no |
11:04:37 | dj-fu | I'm telling you that I can s-t-d in 4seconds |
11:04:39 | markun | B4gder: no, we have a USB-ATA bridge. But we can also use the USB device controller and USB host controller through the cradle. |
11:04:43 | dj-fu | I do not have 2gb of ram |
11:04:44 | B4gder | aha, ok |
11:04:51 | voltagex | dj-fu: @ /msg |
11:05:03 | voltagex | oh wait |
11:05:10 | voltagex | haven't /nickserv identified |
11:05:11 | dongs | all my windows machiens have > 1gb of memory. they have no problem "managing" it. |
11:05:21 | dj-fu | but you have a swap partition? |
11:05:25 | * | dj-fu ogles at wasted hard drive space |
11:05:31 | B4gder | oh please drop this crappo subject |
11:05:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd seconds. |
11:05:44 | linuxstb | B4gder: What are your feelings about that "mp3/mp4" player today? Still tempted? |
11:06:08 | darkless | reversing the latest crossfade reworkings are no fun :( |
11:06:12 | B4gder | linuxstb: I am and I've told "portable" about it |
11:06:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | A SWCodec target that uses 2.5" drives? What's not to like if it's doable? |
11:07:30 | darkless | somebody bring the cheese, 'cause I bring the whine |
11:08:24 | dongs | oh well. leave lunix to those few lunatics who have tons of time to waste editing config files and typing "echo "disk" > proc/whatevertehfuck to shut the thing down |
11:08:44 | markun | dongs: yes, please do that |
11:08:53 | voltagex | linuxstb: are we talking about building an MP3 player specifically for rockbox? |
11:08:54 | dongs | :D |
11:08:57 | * | darkless ignores flamebait |
11:09:09 | dongs | voltagex: they're talking about some forum post about a company wanting to port rockbox to their device. |
11:09:18 | dongs | voltagex: but its some random no-name australian company with a chinese product. |
11:09:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: No, it's a discussion of an MP3 player where apparently the manufacturer is also interested in getting along with Rockbox, I think. |
11:09:29 | voltagex | dongs: not asrock is it? |
11:09:31 | dongs | and they dont want to give any hardware devices out to people to develop for htem |
11:09:43 | dongs | voltagex: not sure, look at the latest few threads on the forum, its in there |
11:09:45 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The only downside I can think of is that it's quite an obscure device. They've been around for about a year, but don't seem to have sold very well. It would be a waste of time for Rockbox to be ported to another unavailable target. |
11:09:47 | voltagex | hmmm no, Astone |
11:10:09 | dongs | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=790c946545c60ffeaf51b683eb884aac&topic=3978.15 |
11:10:43 | B4gder | linuxstb: but there are several telechip based players out there at its possible that a first port could make it easier to reach those other telechip ones |
11:10:51 | linuxstb | Very true. |
11:10:59 | voltagex | dongs: because of my retarded ssh client, this will probably repaste your url |
11:11:06 | voltagex | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=790c946545c60ffeaf51b683eb884aac&topic=3978.15 |
11:11:09 | voltagex | yep |
11:11:37 | dj-fu | putty is best |
11:12:10 | Galois | dongs: I have only one thing to say to you. http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/index.php?p=311 |
11:12:34 | markun | Galois: cut it out man |
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11:13:01 | dongs | trolling is a waste of time |
11:13:03 | Galois | of course, I'm biased here. |
11:13:09 | dongs | especially weak stuff you're putting out. |
11:14:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs, you don't have to respond and agitate further. |
11:14:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | All of you, just drop it. |
11:15:06 | dongs | yep |
11:15:17 | dongs | how about a callgraph of rockbox while playing mp3s? |
11:15:17 | dongs | :D |
11:15:53 | voltagex | That mp3/mp4 player sounds promising, but working with a manufacturer is sounding scary |
11:16:11 | LinusN | scary in what way? |
11:16:21 | dongs | cause you actually have to get thigns done |
11:16:23 | preglow | i think it sounds convenient, heh |
11:16:31 | preglow | that's only if you pledge yourself to anything |
11:16:35 | dongs | as opposed to use the typical excuse of "i aint getting paid, so it will be done when its done" |
11:16:39 | preglow | if they don't pay you, they can't demand very much |
11:16:56 | LinusN | giving away a device is not paying imho |
11:17:00 | preglow | nope |
11:17:03 | preglow | it's cooperating |
11:17:03 | preglow | heh |
11:17:14 | voltagex | I think the idea of certifing the player for rockbox, then having it as an optional extra is a good idea |
11:17:21 | linuxstb | No, but it does at least impose a moral obligation to do something. |
11:17:38 | preglow | well, sure |
11:17:39 | B4gder | and it shows that the producer appreciate having Rockbox support |
11:17:41 | preglow | but not much more than that |
11:17:46 | LinusN | i wouldn't give that port a priority unless i was paid a proper salary that could match my daytime job |
11:17:53 | voltagex | linuxstb: but again, if they don't pay you, you don't owe them shjite! |
11:18:04 | dj-fu | money always makes things difficult |
11:18:14 | preglow | it also makes things encouraging! |
11:18:29 | voltagex | hell, if I ever see one of these players, I'll seriously think about buying one |
11:18:33 | voltagex | laptop hdd FTP |
11:18:35 | Galois | whatever happened to the neuros collaboration? |
11:18:36 | voltagex | FTW* |
11:18:37 | voltagex | lol |
11:18:41 | dj-fu | link? |
11:18:44 | LinusN | Galois: nothing so far |
11:18:50 | dj-fu | I'm happy w/ my nano for now.. just got done paying it off |
11:18:55 | linuxstb | But I'm already motivated to work on it because I would like a swcodec player with a 2.5" disk. |
11:18:58 | dj-fu | I really should have researched DAP's before buying it though |
11:19:16 | B4gder | the neuros guys are occupied running linux on their units |
11:19:21 | LinusN | i'm considering an ipod video, but i don't have the money |
11:19:29 | preglow | \o/ |
11:19:33 | B4gder | the unit what possibly would run rockbox is not due until later anyway |
11:19:41 | B4gder | and my money is on that they'll use linux then too |
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11:20:02 | LinusN | B4gder: yup, i think so too |
11:20:03 | B4gder | however |
11:20:17 | B4gder | the neuros code is a good source into porting rockbox to TMS320 devices |
11:20:18 | B4gder | in general |
11:20:45 | LinusN | yup, but it still takes quite some dsp code disassembly to pull off |
11:20:55 | B4gder | yeps |
11:21:13 | LinusN | interesting nevertheless |
11:21:39 | B4gder | and possibly their binary blob will be allowed to be redistributable |
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11:22:02 | LinusN | perhaps, but it might not fit our needs |
11:22:06 | B4gder | true |
11:22:12 | voltagex | anyways, be back later |
11:22:21 | LinusN | i'd rather reverse engineer it and write our own dsp code |
11:22:31 | B4gder | yeah, that'd be the sane way |
11:23:12 | voltagex | it'd be great to get hardware docs, but somehow I don't think it's gonna happen |
11:23:35 | LinusN | not likely, no |
11:26:18 | preglow | i don't even think there's a free assembler for ti |
11:26:24 | preglow | i don't even think i've ever seen any ti dsp code |
11:26:43 | B4gder | there's a free assembler for the dsp |
11:26:55 | darkless | if I wanted to map a button (eg. record) to toggle "pausing playback and listening to microphone", where would you recommend me to look in the code? This feature would be great for me when needing to answer short questions without popping out my IEMs |
11:27:16 | petur | LinusN: did you ever put my isp1362 init code in the bootloader and then tried accessing the chip via the debug menu? |
11:27:35 | LinusN | darkless: it should be possible to pause in the current code |
11:27:51 | LinusN | petur: no |
11:28:07 | LinusN | why must it be in the bootloader? |
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11:29:13 | petur | just an idea that it has to happen at power up because it configures the suspend of the chip. |
11:29:14 | LinusN | darkless: or did you just want to disable the monitoring? |
11:29:34 | LinusN | petur: aha |
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11:30:03 | YvesStLrnt | hey all |
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11:30:29 | darkless | LinusN: if someone comes up and asks me a question, I'd like to press a single button. This would pause audio playback and switch to microphone listening, so I could hear the question asked through the mic |
11:30:36 | petur | LinusN: the only other thing that can be wrong is that there's an IO pin we don't know of. But atm I'm pretty well stuck :( |
11:31:10 | LinusN | darkless: ah, i wasn't reading correctly, you want to enable the mic while *playing*, not recording |
11:31:10 | darkless | my IEMs are very isolating (32 dB IIRC) so I can't hear normal conversations even with audio playback paused |
11:31:11 | petur | darkless: the very first sony walkmans had this ;) |
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11:32:07 | darkless | Shure will sell a PTH (Press To Hear) device with their new E500 IEMs, but I figured that rockbox could do the same for me without me needing to lug around more hardware |
11:32:10 | petur | push-to-listen-to-your-environment |
11:32:19 | darkless | yup |
11:32:30 | petur | shouldn't be hard |
11:32:44 | petur | just some uda reconfiguring of the mixer |
11:33:05 | petur | and some way to change the gain |
11:33:06 | preglow | just enable monitoring |
11:33:15 | preglow | and set mute the uda |
11:33:23 | petur | yeah, the mixer |
11:33:34 | preglow | this should just be two lines of code |
11:33:45 | amiconn | Somewhat like the 'line in' feature on the archos players |
11:33:49 | amiconn | ...just for mic |
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11:35:43 | dongs | hm dead battery icon again |
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11:35:58 | dongs | after usb unplug |
11:37:09 | petur | btw, dongs, russian language should work again... |
11:37:21 | dongs | yes |
11:37:24 | dongs | tested it earlier |
11:39:16 | dongs | freetype is screwing up tahoma for me for some reason |
11:39:20 | dongs | hinting is horrible |
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11:52:11 | theli_ua | dongs, you use tahome on rockbox? ;) |
11:52:18 | theli_ua | *tahoma |
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12:04:16 | dongs | theli_ua: yes |
12:04:26 | dongs | because its the best font evar. |
12:04:29 | theli_ua | why? you like it so much? |
12:04:34 | theli_ua | hm |
12:04:35 | theli_ua | :( |
12:04:41 | dongs | because its a) windows font b) it rocks c) its by microsoft |
12:04:53 | theli_ua | i like terminus fonts |
12:05:33 | dongs | i like clean one-line thin fonts |
12:05:47 | theli_ua | yeah ... me too :) |
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12:06:32 | darkless | I like the helvetica bold font |
12:07:03 | dongs | i dislike all lunix fonts in general. |
12:07:05 | dongs | they're jsut so.. ugh. |
12:07:09 | darkless | not included by default, but it's the one I like the best |
12:07:10 | dongs | unprofessional looking. |
12:07:28 | Mikachu | what is a "linux font"? |
12:07:43 | dongs | its a font that makes you want to tear your eyes out when you view it |
12:07:48 | Mikachu | ... |
12:07:55 | theli_ua | no.. you're wrong :) |
12:08:03 | Mikachu | linux is a kernel, the only font is the terminal font |
12:08:21 | dongs | ok, lemme clarify this |
12:08:28 | dongs | the fonts shipped with default lunix desktops |
12:08:33 | dongs | such as x11 fonts |
12:08:43 | Mikachu | that would be microsoft fonts |
12:08:52 | dongs | haha no. |
12:09:05 | Mikachu | maybe you installed redhat 3 |
12:09:19 | dongs | microsoft disallowed bundling their web fonts with lunix stuff years ago |
12:09:20 | LinusN | Mikachu: don't fall for it |
12:09:22 | dongs | what rock have you been under? |
12:09:29 | Mikachu | a whole box of rocks |
12:09:38 | darkless | a box of rocks! |
12:09:38 | Mikachu | LinusN: i'm tired, sorry :) |
12:09:46 | Mikachu | darkless: yes, a rockbox! |
12:10:11 | * | petur runs off |
12:11:07 | Mikachu | dongs: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ |
12:12:12 | theli_ua | yeah .. now corefonts come with many distributions |
12:12:44 | Mikachu | many also come with bitstream vera or dejavu |
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12:13:54 | theli_ua | yeah .. and anyway.... i can't say some font like this ... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/iPodMini_ter14.png looks 'unprofessional' |
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12:17:51 | dongs | Mikachu: An easy way to install Microsoft's TrueType core fonts on linux? |
12:18:00 | Mikachu | yes |
12:18:04 | Mikachu | 'emerge corefonts' in gentoo |
12:18:07 | dongs | http://typographi.com/000270.php |
12:18:10 | dongs | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,469394,00.asp |
12:18:12 | dongs | etc. |
12:18:52 | dongs | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/18/1519217&mode=thread&tid=109 also |
12:19:14 | dongs | that page exists jsut because it can, not because its allowed/legal. |
12:22:20 | Mikachu | ·Reproduction and Distribution. You may reproduce and distribute an |
12:22:20 | Mikachu | unlimited number of copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT; provided that each copy |
12:22:20 | Mikachu | shall be a true and complete copy, including all copyright and trademark |
12:22:20 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Mikachu |
12:22:20 | Mikachu | notices, and shall be accompanied by a copy of this EULA. Copies of the |
12:22:21 | Mikachu | SOFTWARE PRODUCT may not be distributed for profit either on a standalone |
12:22:57 | Mikachu | basis or included as part of your own product. |
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12:23:34 | Mikachu | so there's not a whole lot microsoft can do to remove my right to use those fonts |
12:24:07 | dongs | paste the part where microsoft can change this eula at any time without having to inform you about it |
12:24:48 | B4gder | well, they writing things doesn't mean its legally binding |
12:25:11 | dongs | lol, the fact is, microsoft doesnt want lunix people to use the fonts. |
12:25:14 | B4gder | the microsoft eula is a perfect example of lots of words with little legal backup |
12:25:21 | Mikachu | they can't do that, nor do they claim to be allowed to do so |
12:26:03 | LinusN | dongs: i can't find that clause |
12:26:18 | Mikachu | the fact that they don't want to doesn't mean anything, they have given me the rights to use it already, they can't take that back |
12:26:24 | Mikachu | that's just how the world works |
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12:27:27 | zigford | Indian givers |
12:28:04 | dongs | when you "buy" a "stolen" item from someone for unreasonable price (free in this case), and you have to answer for it - this is exactly same situation. |
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12:33:26 | webguest59 | hi |
12:33:29 | dongs | hi |
12:34:05 | zigford | hello |
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12:35:23 | dongs | :( |
12:35:32 | zigford | yep |
12:36:11 | zigford | Whats the most compatible player with rockbox? |
12:36:25 | zigford | the arch with the least bugs |
12:36:39 | dongs | i'd guess the stuff that was developed for a while |
12:36:44 | dongs | like archos or wahtever. |
12:36:50 | zigford | you guess? |
12:37:04 | dongs | well, ipod port has been around for a few months |
12:37:10 | B4gder | there's no way to measure it accurately |
12:37:11 | dongs | vs archos / iriver(?) stuff for a few years |
12:37:18 | zigford | true |
12:37:24 | B4gder | so guessing is what we have |
12:37:33 | B4gder | I'd guess an Archos player |
12:37:43 | B4gder | possibly the player model itself |
12:37:49 | B4gder | also because it is the most limited, feature-wise |
12:37:57 | dongs | hehe |
12:37:57 | B4gder | so there are less features that can bug |
12:38:11 | zigford | Which has the most features then? |
12:38:33 | B4gder | the iriver models I think |
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12:39:37 | zigford | whats the price like for an iriver? |
12:39:49 | zigford | maybe I should ask google. |
12:39:49 | B4gder | check ebay |
12:39:53 | B4gder | they're very hard to find new |
12:40:03 | zigford | B4gder: Why is that? |
12:40:11 | B4gder | they're not manufactured anymore |
12:40:28 | zigford | Is there a reason? |
12:40:37 | Mikachu | capitalism |
12:40:39 | B4gder | iriver stopped making and selling them |
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12:40:47 | zigford | This world has turned topsy turvy |
12:40:53 | B4gder | they moved on to other models |
12:40:57 | dj-fu | ebuild |
12:40:57 | dj-fu | /usr/local/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ati-drivers-8.24.8.ebuild digest |
12:41:09 | dj-fu | uh |
12:41:10 | dj-fu | woops |
12:41:12 | zigford | dj-fu: Thats wonderfull |
12:41:14 | dj-fu | hit mouse3 sorry |
12:41:34 | zigford | gentoo eh |
12:41:52 | dj-fu | mhmm |
12:41:56 | dj-fu | I'm new to it |
12:42:15 | RedBreva | hi guys... My nano arrived this morning, and is now a rockbox :-)... Just one question..can the iPod_Control directory be deleted? |
12:42:21 | zigford | Ahh, I once revelled in that world. It is a joy if you are unemployed |
12:42:32 | dj-fu | haha, yeah. |
12:42:36 | linuxstb | RedBreva: Yes, but it will be recreated if you ever start the Apple firmware. |
12:42:38 | Mikachu | RedBreva: yes, if you start retailos it will probably recreate it though |
12:42:39 | dj-fu | well, I'm a student and reasonably employed |
12:42:43 | Mikachu | hooray for redundancy |
12:42:50 | RedBreva | OK, cheers |
12:43:14 | zigford | dj-fu: Since I got a job and got married, I have had to go over to FC |
12:43:24 | dj-fu | lol, I usually use ubuntu dapper |
12:43:29 | dj-fu | but felt like trying something a little more 'raw' |
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12:43:46 | darkless | gentoo is nice... building a crosscompile toolchain was as simple as "emerge crossdev; crossdev -s1 −−binutils 2.16.1-r2 −−gcc 3.4.5-r1 −−target m68k-elf" |
12:43:48 | Mikachu | gentoo is what all the cool noobs use |
12:43:51 | zigford | dj-fu: Well you picked it |
12:44:04 | dj-fu | cool noobs? lol |
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12:44:18 | dj-fu | I've heard that a few times actually, I'm no noob, just interested in testing out new stuff |
12:44:42 | darkless | ubuntu is what the noobs use, gentoo is for the people who aren't satisfied with precompiled packages |
12:44:53 | dj-fu | nod |
12:44:56 | zigford | And I stick with my Apple IIE |
12:45:01 | dj-fu | I found myself building a lot of crap on Ubuntu |
12:45:02 | darkless | ubuntu is debian made userfriendly :) |
12:45:09 | dj-fu | so I figured why not go to a source-based distro anyway |
12:45:16 | B4gder | I find debian user-friendly enough |
12:45:28 | _FireFly_ | dj-fu: like gentoo ? |
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12:45:38 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
12:45:38 | * | B4gder joins the distro pie-throwing |
12:45:40 | dj-fu | it's uh, a pain in the ass right now |
12:45:49 | dj-fu | diddn't like my laptop "out of the box" |
12:46:28 | dj-fu | so I had to build a lot of stuff from a base system, X, drivers, whatnot. |
12:46:32 | zigford | All linuxes have good and bad. Half the fun is getting them to work on your obscure hardware |
12:46:37 | dj-fu | but yeah, really a good hands on approach |
12:46:55 | dj-fu | zigford: fortunately most of my stuff is Intel (pentium M lappy) so the graphics card is the only pita |
12:47:06 | zigford | let me guess, ATI |
12:47:18 | dj-fu | nod |
12:47:21 | dj-fu | x700 pcie |
12:47:25 | * | darkless wacks ATI with a big clue-bat |
12:47:26 | Mikachu | i have a fun laptop that only the debian install kernel boots, the installed debian kernel and any other installer kernel doesn't boot |
12:47:57 | zigford | Mikachu: Try booting with noapic and nolapic |
12:48:17 | Mikachu | it seems to hang right after uncompressing linux..... |
12:48:24 | * | linuxstb prefers Mac OS X on a laptop |
12:48:26 | dj-fu | nolapic and noapic is what I needed on ubuntu, same problem as you Mikachu |
12:48:29 | zigford | I have had the ATI drama's. I have a 64bit Turion with ATI Xpress 200M |
12:48:29 | Mikachu | but it sort of seems like only the display stops updating |
12:48:38 | Mikachu | dj-fu: it's a reaaaaally old laptop |
12:48:49 | Mikachu | maybe 100mhz pentium at most |
12:48:55 | dj-fu | oh, nasty. |
12:48:56 | zigford | Mikachu: maybe disable apci |
12:48:58 | dj-fu | I doubt it has apic/lapic then :P |
12:49:01 | zigford | sod |
12:49:30 | zigford | I have a P133 with Damn Small Linux on it. Wife uses it for gaim |
12:49:32 | Mikachu | i'll try that the next time i give it a shot |
12:49:33 | dj-fu | I'm in console mode right now, haven't had a chance to tinker with ALSA so i've got no sound - using rockbox with the old 'hold menu and plug it in' trick |
12:50:01 | dj-fu | i <3 rockbox |
12:50:08 | zigford | dj-fu: Have you got a green screen? |
12:51:03 | dj-fu | pardon? |
12:51:11 | dj-fu | on my laptop? |
12:53:14 | amiconn | Slasheri ? |
12:54:06 | dj-fu | zigford: whaddya mean! |
12:56:09 | dj-fu | wish me luck, about to startx |
12:56:44 | zigford | dj-fu: You got console mode. For the real retro style, go to green screen |
12:56:56 | dj-fu | lol, dunno how to do that |
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13:04:32 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
13:04:49 | dongs | Jungti1234: http://pbx.mine.nu/01010016.JPG |
13:04:53 | Jungti1234 | Korean is foolish..... |
13:05:05 | Jungti1234 | wow |
13:05:14 | Jungti1234 | :) |
13:05:35 | dongs | huhuuhhu |
13:06:09 | Jungti1234 | Do you know them? |
13:06:34 | dongs | nah , the files are from a friend. |
13:06:39 | Jungti1234 | who? :) |
13:06:44 | Jungti1234 | korean friend? |
13:06:46 | dongs | ya |
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13:06:47 | theli_ua | Ócan someone help me? why 'isalnum(name[0])' when name is const char* gives me 'dereferencing pointer to incomplete type' ? |
13:06:52 | Jungti1234 | good...;) |
13:07:02 | dongs | theli_ua: what is type of name? |
13:07:05 | dongs | oh |
13:07:06 | dongs | you said it |
13:07:44 | Jungti1234 | by the way... |
13:07:46 | Jungti1234 | Korean is clamorous to Rockbox... |
13:07:53 | dongs | i wish i knew what clamorous is |
13:08:20 | Jungti1234 | They said 'Rockbox is lacking'. |
13:08:24 | dongs | ah |
13:08:31 | Jungti1234 | Fools.. |
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13:10:40 | Jungti1234 | If they have discontent, they can fix it directly... |
13:10:53 | Jungti1234 | But, they fat-mouth. |
13:10:56 | dongs | huhu |
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13:13:32 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Can you paste the line where you define name? Also, which version of gcc are you using? |
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13:16:10 | Jungti1234 | hey dongs |
13:16:16 | theli_ua | linuxstb , gcc 4.2.0_alpha20060408 :) name is a parameter to function int spkey_add_custom(const char *name) |
13:16:16 | theli_ua | { |
13:16:16 | theli_ua | |
13:16:41 | Jungti1234 | dongs: where are you from? |
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13:17:33 | B4gder | theli_ua: with a gcc like that you're begging for problems |
13:17:59 | theli_ua | B4gder, i;m using it for arm only ... had no problems at all |
13:18:13 | dongs | Jungti1234: .jp |
13:18:18 | Moos | B4gder/LinusN: Hi, is the dual-boot patch for X5 ready for use? |
13:18:30 | Jungti1234 | ah, Japan? |
13:18:43 | dongs | yeah. |
13:18:49 | B4gder | Moos: if you read our comments in the entry you'll see our opinion on it |
13:19:05 | Jungti1234 | nice to see you |
13:19:09 | B4gder | but it apparently works, according to some on that iadio forum |
13:19:11 | Moos | B4gder: sorry, not checked yet (works atm) |
13:19:19 | Moos | ok, that's good to hear |
13:19:31 | B4gder | we're not very happy with his approach |
13:19:42 | dongs | thx |
13:20:15 | Moos | B4gder: let's hope the patch author will consider your opinions :) |
13:20:24 | B4gder | yeps ;-) |
13:20:32 | Moos | :) |
13:21:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes |
13:22:50 | Moos | B4gder: ok, just checked your coments |
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13:25:07 | B4gder | and of course... the second someone reports that it doens't work for them, it has proven our point ;-) |
13:25:25 | Moos | hehe : ) |
13:25:59 | Moos | hopefully the author of patch will come here for discuss with you and Linus |
13:26:16 | B4gder | he's been posting to the mailing list |
13:26:25 | B4gder | and he's clearly full of clues, so I have high hopes |
13:26:27 | amiconn | Slasheri: The 'Couldn't open mpa.codec' bug after a full tagcache rebuild/commit is still there (dircache disabled, tagcache on disk) |
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13:27:08 | amiconn | If that happens, it's also impossible to browse anything |
13:27:24 | Moos | B4gder: yeah checked them (I remenber when he came here before post, but you both wasn't here, then I advise him to write a mail to the list) |
13:27:42 | B4gder | ok |
13:28:00 | amiconn | My guess is that the splash is issued by the voice code (I have voice turned on as well). Maybe the tagcache commit messes with the tree buffer in a way the tree buffer doesn't like? |
13:28:18 | Moos | B4gder: but sure he will come again :) |
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13:31:35 | Moos | B4gder: oh, new comment of RaeNye |
13:31:41 | B4gder | yeps |
13:31:51 | B4gder | we get mailed on all submissions you know ;-) |
13:32:28 | Moos | hehe, but don't know if you checked it yet ;-) assuming you was working :p |
13:32:42 | Mikachu | and still no comments or responses on many of them |
13:32:53 | Mikachu | + appropriate smiley |
13:33:16 | Moos | Mikachu: go ahead ;) |
13:34:02 | Jungti1234 | wahahahaha |
13:34:03 | Jungti1234 | http://manian.dreamwiz.com/board/view.asp?bid=A060101&no=52636 |
13:34:10 | * | Moos might be go back works |
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13:40:44 | KimHC | hello~ |
13:41:14 | Jungti1234 | hello |
13:42:01 | KimHC | Á¤Æ¼´Ô Çѱ¹ÀÎ? |
13:42:07 | B4gder | english |
13:42:08 | Jungti1234 | ¿¹, ¿µ¾î¸¸ ¾²¼¼¿ä |
13:42:10 | Jungti1234 | :) |
13:42:11 | KimHC | ok |
13:42:12 | KimHC | sorry |
13:42:14 | KimHC | ^^;; |
13:42:34 | KimHC | why are you here Jungti |
13:42:59 | Jungti1234 | haha |
13:43:08 | Jungti1234 | Just because. |
13:44:36 | KimHC | Jungti, you know D20? |
13:44:40 | Jungti1234 | yep |
13:45:02 | Mikachu | hooray, i guessed the right encoding on the first try |
13:45:02 | KimHC | have D20? |
13:45:07 | Jungti1234 | no |
13:45:12 | KimHC | hm.. |
13:45:24 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu: :) |
13:45:44 | Mikachu | Jungti1234: you told him to use english? :) |
13:45:54 | Jungti1234 | yes |
13:48:20 | KimHC | Jungti1234, i wanna talk with you. my nateon ID - jkoio@nate.com |
13:48:29 | Jungti1234 | ok wait |
13:48:39 | KimHC | thanks |
13:49:07 | Jungti1234 | np |
13:49:19 | KimHC | ? |
13:49:23 | KimHC | wrong ID? |
13:49:28 | Jungti1234 | no |
13:49:42 | Jungti1234 | why? |
13:49:57 | KimHC | plz come nateon ;;k |
13:50:21 | Jungti1234 | WAIT please :) |
13:50:58 | KimHC | all right |
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13:51:51 | Moos | wee RaeNye ! |
13:51:54 | Moos | Hello |
13:51:54 | RaeNye | Aloha. |
13:52:03 | KimHC | hello |
13:52:18 | Moos | RaeNye: great works man |
13:52:23 | RaeNye | 10x |
13:52:52 | RaeNye | It took me so much time to get that ble vs. bge thing :(( |
13:52:59 | LinusN | hey ho, RaeNye |
13:53:33 | RaeNye | How do you think we should distribute it, btw? |
13:54:03 | Moos | RaeNye: did you tried it on the target yet? |
13:54:18 | RaeNye | I don't see rockbox.org offering patched cowon FW... I prefer to offer a binary patch |
13:54:23 | RaeNye | Yes. |
13:54:29 | LinusN | RaeNye: like we do with the iriver |
13:54:59 | RaeNye | The only catch is that the OF checks for a 1 second press of the ON button |
13:55:14 | LinusN | yes, the iriver does that as well |
13:55:40 | RaeNye | And now I can clearly say that RB boots sooooooo much faster :) |
13:56:04 | Moos | Congrates |
13:56:15 | * | Moos wants to test but canot yet :( |
13:57:19 | RaeNye | BTW, RB does double work in init'ing everything |
13:57:23 | RaeNye | (on the X5) |
13:57:33 | LinusN | yes it does, on all platforms |
13:57:48 | RaeNye | not all platforms have preloaders |
13:57:48 | LinusN | because we don't want to depend on the bootloader |
13:58:17 | RaeNye | but it runs nevertheless |
13:58:34 | LinusN | on the x5, the hardware is initialized 3 times |
13:58:47 | RaeNye | preloader, crt0 and ? |
13:58:50 | LinusN | preloader, bootloader and then rockbox |
13:59:27 | RaeNye | but RB _can_ rely on RB bootloader.. |
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13:59:51 | LinusN | RaeNye: yes, but we don't want to force a bootloader update |
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14:00:20 | Jungti1234 | LinusN |
14:00:20 | LinusN | updating the bootloader on, for example, the iriver can potentially brick your player |
14:00:25 | RaeNye | when did last we change crt0.S ? |
14:00:48 | Jungti1234 | LinusN, Do you know electronic ditionary? |
14:01:09 | LinusN | RaeNye: crt0.S is only a tiny part of the init |
14:01:14 | LinusN | Jungti1234: ? |
14:01:41 | Jungti1234 | e-dictionary |
14:01:42 | LinusN | and doing the crt0.S stuff twice is no big deal |
14:01:49 | LinusN | Jungti1234: no |
14:01:54 | Jungti1234 | no? umm |
14:02:15 | RaeNye | I have a question about ADC. |
14:02:19 | LinusN | shoot |
14:02:23 | RaeNye | why don't we use 10-bit precision? |
14:02:32 | LinusN | because it's not neccessary |
14:02:37 | Jungti1234 | LinusN: you don't know iriver dictionary? |
14:02:45 | RaeNye | and why don't we wait for ADCRDY when reading? |
14:02:51 | LinusN | it requires an extra byte to be read from the pcf50606 |
14:02:59 | KimHC | sorry but... i need some help... |
14:03:06 | RaeNye | and that's bad because? |
14:03:17 | LinusN | RaeNye: because we assume that the conversion is ready when we read the result |
14:04:16 | RaeNye | I think waiting for ADCRDY would resolve the small delta in readings |
14:05:17 | LinusN | the conversion takes 16us in 8-bit mode according to the data sheet |
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14:05:30 | Maxime | hi guys |
14:05:44 | Mikachu | KimHC: don't be shy |
14:05:54 | Maxime | what is the "party mode"? oO |
14:06:19 | Bg3r | Maxime it queues the selected song instead of starting playing it immediately |
14:06:26 | Maxime | ah ! |
14:06:27 | Maxime | great |
14:06:29 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i will check that soon when i have little more time |
14:06:43 | LinusN | RaeNye: from the pcf50606 data sheet: "An 8 bit conversion is not only |
14:06:43 | LinusN | completed 2 clock cycles earlier than a 10 bit conversion, also the 8 bit result can be |
14:06:43 | LinusN | read with one I2C read cycle which reduces the data communication time |
14:06:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
14:06:43 | LinusN | considerably." |
14:07:16 | RaeNye | The button code tries to locate the reading in an interval instead of a direct match. This means readings aren't always precise... |
14:07:49 | Jungti1234 | Mikachu: hahaha |
14:08:01 | RaeNye | (if we check for ADCRDY, the extra byte contains the next 2 bits anyway) |
14:08:21 | KimHC | :) |
14:08:35 | LinusN | RaeNye: if we check for adcrdy, we might need to read it twice |
14:08:55 | LinusN | better wait 10us and only read the 8-bit result once |
14:09:25 | KimHC | very difficult english..;; |
14:09:28 | RaeNye | Right - but that only happens if the reading is not ready yet. Why minimize I2C calls? |
14:09:58 | LinusN | to save cpu time in the button irq |
14:10:32 | RaeNye | (again I suggest we use the pcf50606's internal I2C controller) |
14:10:57 | LinusN | no difference in this case, the button driver still waits for the result |
14:10:58 | RaeNye | (or at least dump i2c-generic.c in favour of templated i2c) |
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14:11:01 | Jungti1234 | ah |
14:11:38 | LinusN | RaeNye: sure, the i2c-generic stuff is far from optimal |
14:11:50 | LinusN | in fact, it's dead slow at the moment |
14:12:14 | RaeNye | I prefer: |
14:12:17 | RaeNye | #define SCL_HIGH xxx |
14:12:27 | RaeNye | #include "i2c.template.c" |
14:12:49 | RaeNye | same idea w/o the indirect calls overhead |
14:12:56 | LinusN | yes |
14:13:05 | petur | we've had this discussion before... |
14:13:30 | RaeNye | And the result was? |
14:13:44 | LinusN | the result was that we like the template approach better |
14:16:32 | RaeNye | I'd like to see the template approach more. LCD is another place for it |
14:16:39 | zigford | Question: Today, I did like always, download latest daily build for Ipod 4g-grey. Unzip into my ipod dir. Now it freezez at the "Rockbox" screen. |
14:16:50 | LinusN | RaeNye: lcd? why? |
14:16:51 | zigford | Why 4? |
14:17:03 | RaeNye | h100-remote |
14:17:15 | zigford | Reverted back to yesterdays build and all is okay again. |
14:17:17 | RaeNye | same as X5's, different GPIO pins |
14:17:28 | LinusN | RaeNye: you mean generic SPI? |
14:17:45 | RaeNye | also that |
14:17:54 | LinusN | the remote protocol is spi |
14:18:04 | RaeNye | LCD are either SPI or memory mapped, right? |
14:18:20 | LinusN | yes |
14:18:45 | RaeNye | so we should have some kind of HAL for it |
14:18:51 | LinusN | no |
14:18:59 | RaeNye | We only blit to the lcd |
14:19:13 | LinusN | we have a "hal" for it |
14:19:22 | LinusN | lcd_write() |
14:20:28 | RaeNye | LCD usually share "opcodes", right? e.g., 0xAE is "lcd off" and 0xAF is "lcd on" |
14:20:35 | LinusN | no they don't |
14:20:42 | LinusN | each lcd is different |
14:20:48 | RaeNye | a little |
14:20:56 | RaeNye | but a common basis exists |
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14:21:19 | B4gder | no |
14:21:29 | B4gder | not other than that they are LCDs |
14:21:49 | LinusN | yes, some lcd have the same pixel format, but that's about it |
14:22:00 | RaeNye | I read some datasheets when I tried to understand the X5 remote code |
14:22:14 | RaeNye | most of them were almost identical |
14:22:44 | B4gder | well, read the rockbox source |
14:22:50 | B4gder | and see for yourself |
14:22:58 | RaeNye | That reminds me of something. |
14:23:36 | LinusN | besides, unnecessary abstraction is not KISS |
14:23:58 | RaeNye | Wiki and RB code use GPIO pin 30 for ATA reset, right? |
14:24:09 | RaeNye | But the preloader uses GPIO1 pin 30 |
14:24:14 | RaeNye | could this be a typo? |
14:24:32 | amiconn | RaeNye: Including a .c file is considered baaad practice |
14:25:08 | RaeNye | call it .inl |
14:25:13 | B4gder | indeed, a template approach should better use static inline functions in the .h files |
14:25:20 | RaeNye | call it a .template |
14:25:24 | amiconn | I agree that i2c-generic is probably the slowest i2c driver in rockbox, even slower than the old unoptimised i2c driver for H300 pcf50606 |
14:25:43 | amiconn | RaeNye: I'd go for a .h defining inline functions |
14:25:56 | RaeNye | it also doesn't use the internal I2C controller |
14:26:00 | B4gder | but even talking about unoptimized stuff when doing a dual-boot loader is... way premature |
14:26:02 | B4gder | imho |
14:26:22 | RaeNye | the dual bootloader has nothing to do with it |
14:26:31 | amiconn | RaeNye: Yes, that's because it uses a similar approach as the H00 pcf driver (which cannot use the coldfire i2c controller) |
14:26:41 | B4gder | ok, I just see them being mentioned in pairs. sorry |
14:26:45 | RaeNye | dual bootloader is completed. On to supporting more hardware :) |
14:27:11 | B4gder | :-) |
14:27:54 | RaeNye | I know everything that I need to know about X5 remote, but have none to check it with |
14:28:03 | amiconn | LinusN: Using the coldfire i2c controller does save cpu time - if we use the interrupt capabilities |
14:28:11 | RaeNye | This preloader RE was such fun :) |
14:28:46 | RaeNye | But DMA for ATA should be more important |
14:28:49 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
14:29:12 | LinusN | RaeNye: i have my doubts about the benefits of dma |
14:29:27 | RaeNye | even when doing line transfers? |
14:29:34 | zigford | Okay: I downloaded the cvs, and compiled it myself and installed onto my ipod. Latest cvs works. Daily Build for ipod Grey does not |
14:31:22 | LinusN | RaeNye: yes, because the cpu will not get much memory bandwidth to do any real work anyway |
14:31:31 | amiconn | RaeNye: I expect dma to be equally fast (perhaps a _tiny_ bit faster) as the asm optimised transfer |
14:31:44 | LinusN | regarding the ata reset, i traced the ata reset signal to gpio30 |
14:31:45 | amiconn | As long as we don't iyeld, it won't benefit us anything |
14:32:18 | amiconn | I'll try it nevertheless, but most probably not before 3.0 |
14:32:26 | LinusN | RaeNye: looks like you found a bug in the cowon loader :-) |
14:32:29 | amiconn | LinusN, btw, did you check the optimised ata timing? |
14:32:32 | LinusN | no |
14:32:38 | amiconn | :/ |
14:33:03 | LinusN | you might have noticed that i haven't done *any* rockbox work the past weeks |
14:34:14 | RaeNye | BTW, where is UART0 connected too in the X5? |
14:34:21 | RaeNye | too=to |
14:36:40 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
14:36:40 | * | amiconn noticed |
14:37:05 | lostlogic | sigh, seems like somehow a bunch of devs got way too busy right around release time... bad timing. |
14:37:05 | RaeNye | Also, I want to update the X5 ports & pins assignment Wiki page. What does F mean (in the I/O/F column)? |
14:37:13 | LinusN | Function |
14:37:51 | RaeNye | i.e., mux? |
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14:38:05 | LinusN | GPIO62 (bit 30 in GPIO1) isn't even mapped to a pin on the chip |
14:38:37 | LinusN | RaeNye: meaning that it performs an on-chip function instead of a general i/o |
14:39:39 | RaeNye | so it has nothing to do with the GPIO_FUNCTION reg? |
14:39:51 | LinusN | it has everything to do with it |
14:40:18 | LinusN | GPIO_FUNCTION selects either the on-chip function, or general purpose i/o |
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14:41:03 | RaeNye | oh, 10x |
14:41:33 | LinusN | for instance, bit 31 of GPIO_FUNCTION selects if the pin is IDE_DIOR or a simple I/O bit |
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14:42:29 | * | dj-fu dies of goodness from crossfeed |
14:42:41 | LinusN | rest in peace |
14:42:45 | dj-fu | nod |
14:42:53 | RaeNye | but bit 31 of GPIO_READ/OUT is not connected to anything, right? |
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14:43:44 | cmug | Hey, is anyone using the latest daily build on ipod Nano? |
14:43:50 | cmug | I cant get any output with mp3 files |
14:44:00 | cmug | booting to original firmware and sound works just fine |
14:44:54 | dj-fu | hum |
14:44:57 | dj-fu | haven't updated mine for a while |
14:44:59 | LinusN | RaeNye: it is connected to IDE_DIOR |
14:45:07 | dj-fu | surely they would have posted something on the CVS if audio didn't work anymore, cmug |
14:45:12 | LinusN | it is, as you guessed, multiplexed |
14:45:24 | cmug | dj-fu, im reading the bugdatabase but dont see anything about it |
14:45:29 | dj-fu | :\ |
14:45:43 | RaeNye | GPIO_FUNC bit 31 selects between IDE_DIOR and what else? |
14:45:48 | dj-fu | I would test it out, but I like music. |
14:45:54 | LinusN | general purpose i/o |
14:45:58 | cmug | hehe yeah |
14:46:19 | RaeNye | which is connected to? |
14:46:32 | LinusN | either the pin is controlled by reading GPIO_READ or writing GPIO_OUT, or by the IDE controlled |
14:46:35 | LinusN | controller |
14:46:52 | LinusN | in this case it is controlled by the IDE controller |
14:47:17 | LinusN | and writing to GPIO_OUT has no effect |
14:47:47 | Jungti1234 | bye |
14:47:53 | B4gder | Internal error: Oops: 817 [#1] |
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14:48:06 | B4gder | Linux version of *panic* |
14:48:18 | LinusN | so in effect, GPIO_FUNCTION selects if the bit is controlled by the cpu or by an onboard peripheral controller |
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14:53:06 | Romanos | Hi everyone! Wouldn't be a good idea on ipod's idoom release to just use the scrollwheel by simply touching the buttons and not really press them? That would be great for avoiding wear the pad. |
14:53:22 | dj-fu | I don't think it's iDoom, is it? |
14:53:25 | dj-fu | it's a diffferent port |
14:53:48 | Romanos | anyway , it's definitely based on it |
14:53:55 | dj-fu | and afaik you could configure it, the keys file (in iDoom, dunno about rbdoom) |
14:54:09 | Romanos | really? |
14:54:30 | dj-fu | yessir |
14:54:37 | Romanos | isn't idoom on ipl? |
14:54:44 | dj-fu | yup |
14:54:48 | Romanos | i've got it on ipl as well |
14:54:55 | Romanos | what have i got to do? |
14:54:55 | dj-fu | but on rockbox it's different, dunno if it has the keys file |
14:55:08 | dj-fu | I've never attempted it, but in your ipod dir there should be a keys file which you can edit with a text ed |
14:55:20 | dj-fu | once ya work out what the key that scroll wheel is, replace left with that |
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14:55:31 | Romanos | thanx |
14:56:45 | Romanos | btw doom runs a lot smoother on ipl |
14:57:08 | RaeNye | linus: so what's the best way to add support for the X5 remote? I updated the Wiki page and I can tell you the preloader's init sequence, but I cannot test anything |
14:57:29 | dj-fu | Romanos: not really interested in running doom on my nano, I'm happy w/ music & crossfeed ;] |
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14:58:05 | Romanos | yeah.. same here.. it's funny running all those utilities though |
14:58:27 | Romanos | u got an ipod as well? |
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15:00:17 | dj-fu | Nano |
15:00:23 | preglow | utf8-test: æøå |
15:00:38 | LinusN | RaeNye: i have a remote |
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15:01:04 | LinusN | RaeNye: whip up a driver and i can test it |
15:01:18 | Maxime | (doom on h1x0 is not very playable :x lol) |
15:02:28 | preglow | it is with enough gamma correction |
15:02:35 | preglow | and an active imagination |
15:02:38 | Maxime | lol |
15:02:40 | Maxime | yeah |
15:02:54 | Maxime | but I can't read menus.. so how to set gamma? |
15:02:54 | Maxime | lol |
15:03:13 | preglow | you pretty much need to find it in the in-game menu |
15:03:15 | preglow | can't remember keys |
15:04:15 | Maxime | there's a 'bug' on iriver, (if it's a bug) |
15:04:24 | Maxime | you're forced to keep button down to go through the menu |
15:04:29 | Maxime | (before the game) |
15:04:38 | RaeNye | linus: Most of the code is similar to the h100 remote; just change the GPIO pins (see Wiki) |
15:04:44 | LinusN | RaeNye: are you sure about the remote lcd pins? GPIO11 is MCLK |
15:05:03 | cmug | Hmm maybe someone broke the mp3 codec on the daily build of nano |
15:05:12 | preglow | cmug: how broke? |
15:05:15 | cmug | when I turn the volume up/down I hear crackling in the speakers |
15:05:18 | cmug | preglow, no audio |
15:05:36 | preglow | that codec hasn't been changed for a while |
15:05:38 | preglow | are you sure? |
15:05:40 | cmug | 15:43:40 < cmug> I cant get any output with mp3 files |
15:05:41 | cmug | 15:43:51 < cmug> booting to original firmware and sound works just fine |
15:05:45 | cmug | i dont know whats wrong |
15:05:47 | preglow | tried another build, etc? |
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15:06:09 | cmug | i had a build from january working fine, now the latest doesnt playback |
15:06:09 | preglow | well, i can't test right now |
15:06:12 | preglow | nor for the rest of the day |
15:06:15 | cmug | np |
15:06:18 | preglow | january is a long time ago |
15:06:32 | cmug | maybe it was only 2months back |
15:06:45 | preglow | 2 months is a long time ago |
15:06:51 | preglow | tried different mp3 files? |
15:06:56 | cmug | Yes |
15:07:20 | RedBreva | Thanks guys.. I am now one very happy bunny listening to Rockbox on my new Nano :D |
15:07:21 | linuxstb | cmug: Have you reset your settings? |
15:07:46 | RaeNye | Linus: remote_write_command does RS=0; for (i=0; i<8; i++) {CLK=0; DATA=(data >> i)&1; CLK=1;} RS=1 |
15:07:52 | LinusN | cmug: and did you install the entire zip contents and not just the rockbox.ipod file? |
15:08:09 | dj-fu | reset settings is probably a good idea |
15:08:15 | dj-fu | cmug: reboot with the hold switch turned on |
15:08:20 | cmug | ok |
15:08:28 | RaeNye | Sorry, that was remote_write_data |
15:08:37 | LinusN | RaeNye: looks like standard spi |
15:08:59 | LinusN | RaeNye: i think you have the pin numbers wrong |
15:09:00 | RaeNye | remote_write_command does CS=0 at the beginning and CS=1 at the end also |
15:09:30 | LinusN | then you have confused RS and CS |
15:09:32 | cmug | I might have missed the rockbox.ipod file from the zip actually |
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15:09:54 | RaeNye | CLK: or/and 0x4000; CS: or/and 0x8000; RS: or/and 0x20 |
15:09:56 | linuxstb | cmug: That will do it... |
15:09:58 | KimHC | Usual, does the machinery and tools of like this type use the what kind of CPU mainly? |
15:09:59 | KimHC | http://www.generationmp3.com/index.php/2005/12/22/2108-nouveau-iriver-dicplea-aka-d20 |
15:10:05 | RaeNye | data is 0x2000 |
15:10:17 | LinusN | KimHC: you will have to open it and see |
15:10:21 | cmug | linuxstb, that was the reason |
15:10:30 | cmug | user error as usual, great firmware ! |
15:10:41 | cmug | keep up the good work :) |
15:11:08 | LinusN | RaeNye: that is bit 13 |
15:11:22 | RaeNye | backlight is 0x200000 |
15:11:38 | RaeNye | msb is 0 or 31? |
15:11:44 | LinusN | 31 |
15:11:45 | preglow | 31 |
15:12:28 | amiconn | Are the specs of the X5 remote lcd available somewhere? |
15:12:36 | KimHC | ... |
15:12:41 | RaeNye | RE of the preloader? |
15:13:11 | amiconn | If it allows similar high serial clock as the H100 one, we should be able to use the same optimised driver routines |
15:13:27 | RaeNye | It does. we only need to change GPIO settings |
15:13:50 | amiconn | I would also suggest to use the same lazy CS handling. It lowers emi |
15:14:20 | dj-fu | cmug: got it going? |
15:14:31 | RaeNye | Linus: so what's wrong with my numbers? |
15:14:33 | cmug | dj-fu, yeah, it was my own error |
15:14:40 | dj-fu | didn't erase settings? |
15:14:41 | dwihno | What flac options do you guys use when encoding? |
15:14:49 | cmug | dj-fu, didnt copy rockbox.ipod file |
15:14:51 | * | dwihno is just about to transcode all wavpack to flac ... |
15:14:54 | linuxstb | "-8 −−seekpoint=1s" |
15:15:07 | dj-fu | oh, lol. |
15:15:11 | * | dj-fu chuckles |
15:15:13 | cmug | happens ;) |
15:15:13 | dwihno | linuxstb: what is the default seekpoint stuff? |
15:15:14 | dj-fu | I've done that before :) |
15:15:18 | RaeNye | rb |
15:15:22 | cmug | gotta go now, thanks :) |
15:15:26 | RaeNye | *B*rb |
15:15:50 | linuxstb | dwihno: The default is 10s I think. But a 1s seektable is negligible in size compared to a FLAC file. |
15:16:10 | linuxstb | (20 bytes per entry IIRC) |
15:16:40 | dwihno | linuxstb: ah, okay |
15:16:45 | linuxstb | (1s is one second, not one sample btw) |
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15:16:55 | dwihno | I'd guess that... |
15:17:01 | linuxstb | :) |
15:17:05 | dwihno | linuxstb: I'll use that as well. 10 secs is a tad too much imho. |
15:17:42 | preglow | linuxstb: 20 bytes??? not too shabby |
15:17:49 | linuxstb | I also replaygain them afterwards - "metaflac −−add-replay-gain *.flac" inside a directory containing an album. |
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15:18:21 | dwihno | linuxstb: how does that affect the album? |
15:18:35 | KimHC | hello midkay:) |
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15:19:17 | linuxstb | A seektable entry contains a 64-bit byte offset into the file, a 64-bit sample number (referring to the first sample in the frame), and a 32-bit number containing the number of samples in that frame. |
15:19:34 | linuxstb | Sorry, the last number is 16 bits, so it's 18 bytes per entyr. |
15:19:42 | RaeNye | back |
15:19:56 | linuxstb | dwihno: It doesn't change the contents of the FLAC files, it just adds replaygain tags that Rockbox can use. |
15:20:33 | dwihno | linuxstb: What good is replaygain for anyhow... my only experience is a lot of clicking and "hitting the roof" artifacts :/ |
15:20:37 | LinusN | RaeNye: i have changed the port pin assignments |
15:21:15 | preglow | dwihno: replaygain is pretty much incapable of that |
15:21:25 | preglow | dwihno: except on track changes ... |
15:22:01 | linuxstb | dwihno: BTW, why have you decided to convert from wavpack to flac? |
15:22:02 | RaeNye | I just did too... but was on preview |
15:22:22 | RaeNye | You need me to write code or you'll modify h100-remote.c yourself? |
15:22:24 | dwihno | preglow: ah, I guess I can try it out. :) |
15:23:07 | dwihno | linuxstb: basically, it is about two things. 1) there is better (not good though) support for flac among audio applications 2) no boosting on rockbox |
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15:25:09 | LinusN | RaeNye: i'd like you to do it, because i have very little time right now |
15:26:47 | RaeNye | OK. how would I give you the code? I don't wanna upload a completely untested patch to the tracker... |
15:27:37 | dwihno | linuxstb: is there some way to verify the flac being "undamaged"? |
15:28:02 | linuxstb | "flac -t" will do a decode and test against the internal md5 checksum. |
15:28:09 | RaeNye | I'll also need help with the general #define that tell RB that X5 has a remote control, etc. |
15:28:14 | RaeNye | tells |
15:29:22 | LinusN | RaeNye: it's perfectly fine to upload to the tracker |
15:29:30 | dwihno | linuxstb: that's what I thought... still, I changed a couple of bytes with no side effects... |
15:29:44 | LinusN | RaeNye: i /msg:d you |
15:31:20 | dwihno | linuxstb: perhaps I messed around with some header then... |
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15:32:56 | linuxstb | Probably. The first 50KB or so may well just be the header. There is normally also a little padding after the metadata (about 4KB) |
15:33:56 | linuxstb | dwihno: "metaflac −−list" will output all the header information. |
15:38:13 | dwihno | linuxstb: ah, thanks |
15:39:08 | * | petur spots an iso9001 auditor at the desk next to his |
15:39:29 | dwihno | Aaaaaaaah! Run for your life! |
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15:40:41 | petur | as long as he stays at that desk, I don't mind |
15:46:33 | LinusN | just be calm, and answer "i ask my boss" to every question |
15:47:54 | petur | heh, that's not allowed :P |
15:49:53 | ravon | http://www.zophar.net/nsf/darklord.zip |
15:50:04 | ravon | That was seriously the best NES sountrack I've ever heard. |
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15:52:36 | Genre9mp3 | ravon: you should also check the castlevania soundtracks |
15:52:57 | ravon | Genre9mp3: They pale in comparison ;) |
15:53:24 | ravon | The Castlevania soundtracks have sadly been overplayed and overremixed :/ |
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15:53:45 | * | ashridah doesn't even remember the music from the original castlevania he had |
15:53:47 | Genre9mp3 | yes, I think you are right about that |
15:54:35 | ravon | Hey, one of the Dark Lord songs sounds like it comes from the polish demo scene. Sweet. |
15:54:36 | XavierGr | remixes: ewwww they suck! |
15:55:04 | ravon | XavierGr: aw hell no. Just listen to the Zelda jazz remixes from Neskvartetten. |
15:55:55 | XavierGr | ravon: I dunno about that, but most remixes I've heard suck big time. |
15:57:12 | ravon | XavierGr: http://ormgas.com/mp3/Neskvartetten/neskvartetten-linkgoestoneworleans.mp3 |
15:57:22 | ravon | Sucks if you don't like the style of course :) |
15:57:50 | XavierGr | exactly, but I will give it a try later. Now off to work! |
15:58:29 | * | Genre9mp3 listens to Darklord Soundtrack and really like it! :) |
15:59:38 | Genre9mp3 | Now...I think I'll have to find the game also...I'm curious... |
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16:00:01 | ravon | Genre9mp3: Same here :D |
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16:01:08 | XavierGr | ravon: if you are interested in game music (mp3, midi e.t.c) go here |
16:01:12 | XavierGr | http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks.php?r=6955 |
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16:04:13 | ravon | XavierGr: I mostly listen to the remixes though, but I'll check that out. Thanks :) |
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16:59:25 | sn1ff | does rockbox also support videos on a ipod video |
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17:00:12 | preglow | no |
17:02:20 | lostlogic | w00t, Shure E500 PTH will be out soon, and are not nearly as hign impedence as the E5. Have a level attenuator for those high output sources. |
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17:12:21 | BCMM | i'm looking for an MP3 player for my grandparents, who have trouble seeing small things. Is it possible to configure Rockbox to use large fonts? |
17:12:48 | Mikachu | yeah |
17:12:48 | BCMM | (i'm assuming there are no players who's default firmware does that) |
17:12:59 | humulus | BCMM: configure their glasses properly ;o) |
17:13:03 | BCMM | Mikachu: thanks |
17:13:10 | BCMM | humulus: come on, things aren't that simple |
17:13:24 | Mikachu | i think you can convert fonts yourself if you need a bigger one than the standard ones |
17:13:32 | Mikachu | or ask someone here to help you do it |
17:13:36 | humulus | BCMM: jokingly of course |
17:13:38 | BCMM | thanks a lot |
17:13:41 | BCMM | humulus: ok |
17:14:11 | BCMM | can anyone recommend an mp3 player with a big, bright screen that can run rockbox? |
17:14:16 | lostlogic | I'd recommend an ipod w/video for the high contrast screen... |
17:14:25 | lostlogic | and also get them setup with the voice interface |
17:14:43 | lostlogic | (which works moderately well now :)) |
17:15:12 | Mikachu | are you ill? i've been away for 2 hours but the last change is still at the top |
17:15:14 | * | dwihno never tried voice interface |
17:15:14 | BCMM | yeah, i just read about the voice as well |
17:15:28 | dwihno | the ipod video screen is perfect for humongous fonts |
17:15:29 | Mikachu | a couple of weeks ago it would have scrolled off the list altogether :) |
17:15:57 | BCMM | is rockbox suitable for non-technical people to use, if someone else sets it up for them? |
17:16:08 | BCMM | basically, is it nerdy? i've never used it |
17:16:34 | dwihno | BCMM: well, they still will have to fill the unit with music... :) |
17:16:39 | BCMM | (i'm not trying to insult it here, i use things myself that aren't very user-friendly) |
17:16:51 | dwihno | BCMM: I learned my mother to use Rockbox, so you should be able to pull it off :) |
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17:17:06 | BCMM | dwihno: no, someone can do that for them, i'm just wondering if it's easy to find and play the stuff when it's on there |
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17:17:39 | lostlogic | Mikachu: me? Not ill, have been having trouble motivating myself since I got back from Paris. |
17:17:43 | BCMM | basically, is it for grandparents, or is it really for people like me who mess around with electronic things for fun? |
17:17:48 | dpro | BCMM: it's rather easy if they know how to use a filebrowser |
17:17:59 | Mikachu | lostlogic: heh, i was sort of joking, but i forgot you had been away too |
17:18:09 | BCMM | not sure they do, but it's jsut a tree structured menu, right? |
17:18:14 | * | dpro prefers it over the crappy apple firmware anyway |
17:18:26 | BCMM | well, thanks everyone, i'll go and look at hardware now i guess... |
17:18:26 | dpro | BCMM: basically yes |
17:18:32 | BCMM | thanks |
17:18:36 | Mikachu | BCMM: the manual is very extensive |
17:18:42 | Mikachu | BCMM: if they're the sort of people who read manuals |
17:18:50 | BCMM | they're not really |
17:18:50 | markun | BCMM: I would think rockbox is rather nerdy, but if they stay out of the menu and just play some music it shouldn't be too difficult. |
17:18:55 | BCMM | they can use email |
17:19:06 | BCMM | markun: the setup or the usage? |
17:19:16 | BCMM | it doesn't need tinkering to keep it running does it? |
17:19:22 | markun | no |
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17:19:39 | lostlogic | USB mode is flakey on swcodec models with voice files or some such currently |
17:19:41 | BCMM | hmm... is it uninstallable? if it is, i can just test it and not need to keep asking stuff |
17:19:45 | lostlogic | I need to look into that. |
17:19:48 | lostlogic | BCMM: yes, it is |
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17:20:04 | BCMM | lostlogic: what does USB mode mean? transfer from the computer? |
17:20:05 | Mikachu | BCMM: you can dualboot, at least on ipods |
17:20:14 | BCMM | oh, great |
17:20:37 | lostlogic | BCMM: yeah, but you can get into it by shutting down fine −− just getting to it without resetting is difficult at the moment due to a threading bug |
17:20:49 | BCMM | ok |
17:21:19 | BCMM | i thought that USB mode on most machines happens when they're basically turned off and is done by hardcoded stuff in hardware, same as a USB stick? |
17:21:41 | Mikachu | if you count firmware as hardcoded stuff in hardware, which means rockbox... :) |
17:21:55 | markun | BCMM: most players do that, just not the ipods |
17:21:57 | BCMM | firmware isn't hardcoded... |
17:22:07 | Mikachu | right, then you're wrong |
17:22:25 | BCMM | markun: yeah, i knew the ipods were weird beacuse they don't do standard mass storage |
17:22:31 | Mikachu | they do |
17:22:43 | markun | Mikachu: he's not wrong that "most machines" have a USB-ATA bridge.. |
17:22:47 | dwihno | Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do! |
17:23:06 | BCMM | really? i thought under the apple firmware you needed special software to put music on an ipod? |
17:23:21 | Mikachu | you need special software to get the apple firmware to find the music |
17:23:31 | dwihno | mhm |
17:23:32 | Febs | "Who controls the British crown, who keeps the metric system down, we do ... we do!" |
17:23:38 | BCMM | Mikachu: does rockbox fix that? |
17:23:42 | Mikachu | itunes transfers the files in normal usb mode |
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17:23:58 | Mikachu | to /Ipod_Control/somewhere/Music |
17:24:00 | markun | BCMM: yes, you can just drag and drop the files and rockbox will play them |
17:24:03 | Mikachu | yes |
17:24:14 | BCMM | that's a MUCH better system, imho |
17:24:30 | BCMM | i've never understood apples decision on taht |
17:24:41 | Mikachu | vendor lockin = money |
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17:25:39 | dwihno | Open source = freedom |
17:25:51 | BCMM | i agree |
17:25:51 | Febs | Also, Apple targets the people who would otherwise spend hours looking in vain for a folder on their player called "root." |
17:26:06 | dwihno | True, true :) |
17:26:16 | BCMM | for a start, i'm pretty sure Apple doesn't support large fonts for the partially sighted |
17:26:32 | BCMM | well, thanks a lot |
17:26:53 | Mikachu | dwihno: free software = freedom, open source = practical |
17:27:08 | Febs | There's a long thread on the head-fi forum about whether Rockbox has any advantages for Mac users. |
17:27:20 | Febs | It gives some insight into why people like iTunes. |
17:27:21 | Mikachu | BCMM: if you're not aged 16-35 you're not in the target group |
17:27:34 | nudelyn | and GPL != free :) |
17:27:57 | BCMM | haha, i'm starting to wish i had a device that runs rockbox now... |
17:28:02 | markun | nudelyn: you're a BSD person? |
17:28:33 | nudelyn | I don't bother with licences for my own stuff, just get frustrated trying to tie together GPL things with non-GPL things when all I want to do is make something that does something useful and give it away. |
17:28:48 | BCMM | BSD license is freeer, but doesn't garentee that derivatives will be free |
17:28:51 | Mikachu | that's simple, just give people the source and a compiler |
17:28:56 | BCMM | don't want to start an OT flamewar though |
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17:29:07 | Mikachu | gpl only talks about redistributing executables |
17:29:08 | Mikachu | iirc |
17:29:19 | Mikachu | you can compile whatever you want for yourself with gpl libs |
17:29:27 | markun | So.. who wants to buy a Gigabeat player? :) |
17:29:33 | Mikachu | you're selling? |
17:29:45 | BCMM | so the ipod video is probably the biggest screen on any supported hardware? |
17:29:47 | markun | No, just looking for more hand to help us out :) |
17:29:48 | nudelyn | hmm, i thought it was more complicated than that... dunno, not a lawyer, but people keep saying they can't mix A and B because B is GPL, even though the whole project and all components are open source. |
17:30:55 | markun | nudelyn: rockbox is GPL and uses BSD stuff (like Tremor) |
17:31:21 | nudelyn | but Tremor couldn't use parts of rockbox |
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17:31:39 | markun | true |
17:31:58 | nudelyn | i'm definitely not saying rockbox shouldn't be GPL. GPL makes sense for a lot of projects. but it can also be a pain for others. |
17:32:11 | linuxstb | There's no difference between Rockbox using Tremor, and Tremor using Rockbox. But the combined application can only be GPL'd. |
17:32:59 | markun | linuxstb: but if we make a patch for Tremor with improvements from rockbox would that be a problem? |
17:33:21 | linuxstb | I'm guessing the author of the patch would donate it to Tremor under their license. |
17:33:34 | linuxstb | Otherwise Tremor probably wouldn't accept it. |
17:34:01 | linuxstb | But I'm far from an expert on the problems of mixing licenses... |
17:34:34 | BCMM | if rockbox was BSD licensed, would code get copied by the official firmware vendors? |
17:34:50 | dongs | it doesnt need ot be BSD licensed to rip the code. |
17:35:11 | linuxstb | But yes, if Rockbox was BSD, then it can be incorporated into closed source projects. |
17:35:56 | BCMM | dongs: vendors couldn't rip the GPL stuff legally |
17:36:31 | BCMM | unless they released source - unlikely given the DRM they use |
17:36:33 | dwihno | still, many do. |
17:36:36 | markun | dongs: knew you would be back for this conversation :) |
17:36:42 | dongs | hehe |
17:37:00 | dongs | ah finally got proper hinting working i think |
17:37:08 | dongs | holy shit compiling freetype on windows is a bitch |
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17:37:17 | markun | What was the problem with hinting? |
17:37:17 | dongs | its like pulling teeth, and nobody wants to help either. |
17:37:28 | dongs | well, the default bins dont include the bytecode interpreter |
17:37:37 | dongs | so it used the GNU autohinting thing |
17:37:42 | dongs | which makes stuff look bad. |
17:37:51 | markun | yes, it does |
17:38:17 | markun | It's not compiled in by default because it's patented, right? |
17:38:21 | dongs | yeah |
17:38:27 | dongs | now the I's spacing is proper too |
17:38:33 | dongs | not sure if that had anything to do with it |
17:38:59 | markun | probably |
17:39:43 | dongs | now i have a nice combo of tahoma for < U00FF, and then a mix of ms gothic + gulim for CJK |
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17:43:04 | markun | dongs: could you make another picture? |
17:44:37 | dongs | sure |
17:46:55 | dongs | dead battery icon sure is aanoying |
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17:49:20 | markun | I don't have a ipod. Maybe others have the same problem. |
17:49:40 | Mikachu | battery indicator works fine here.. |
17:49:54 | Mikachu | if i was out of battery i would want it to e annoyign so i see it |
17:50:12 | dongs | Mikachu: no like |
17:50:16 | dongs | when itsi n usb modce |
17:50:16 | markun | dongs: which ipod do you have? |
17:50:20 | dongs | nano |
17:50:24 | dongs | and you unplug it after dissconnecting |
17:50:30 | dongs | 50/50 it either reboots |
17:50:37 | dongs | or blinks and shows dead battery warning icon |
17:50:45 | Mikachu | that would be a bug then |
17:53:08 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/01010018.JPG < font |
17:53:08 | dpro | dongs: I have the same on my nano it's a bit annoying |
17:53:27 | dongs | dpro: yea, i figured it wasnt just me. i wonder if its an apple bug or a rockbox bug. |
17:53:51 | dongs | (since that UI isnt rockbox, at least i dont think it is) |
17:53:56 | Mikachu | it would be better to have a smaller picture but better focused |
17:54:01 | dpro | dongs: dunno I wiped the apple firmware ... |
17:54:19 | dongs | Mikachu: well, yes. |
17:54:56 | dongs | your right |
17:54:57 | markun | the font looks nice |
17:54:58 | dongs | this camera sucks |
17:55:15 | Mikachu | hopefully it has a focal plane _somewhere_ :) |
17:56:31 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/DSC00294.JPG here, non-fail version with a working camera. |
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17:57:56 | PaulJam_ | is it enough to unmount the h300 in linux before removing it, or should i do something else? |
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17:58:25 | Mikachu | PaulJam_: eject /dev/whatever |
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17:58:58 | PaulJam_ | Mikachu: thank you |
17:59:03 | dpro | Mikachu: but for me umount works just ok (on ipod that is but there shouldn't be a difference) |
17:59:13 | Mikachu | dpro: it is more for linux' sake than the playre |
17:59:22 | markun | dongs: did you also include arabic? |
17:59:40 | dongs | oh yea, i could. which font on windows has arabic? |
17:59:43 | dongs | i'll test |
17:59:52 | Mikachu | arial unicode? |
17:59:53 | dongs | does tahoma include it? |
17:59:54 | markun | tahoma should also have arabic support |
17:59:56 | dongs | ok |
17:59:59 | markun | normal arial even |
18:00 |
18:00:25 | dongs | U0600-FF looks liek |
18:00:39 | markun | MS payed monotype to design arabic and hebrew glyphs for some of their fonts I believe |
18:00:48 | Mikachu | both tahoma and arial have arabic here it seems |
18:00:58 | Mikachu | but possibly not all glyphs |
18:01:01 | Mikachu | some fall back on arial unicode |
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18:01:36 | markun | Too bad we only have 1 arabic user that I know of :) |
18:01:53 | dongs | they're too busy making car bombs to afford ipods |
18:01:57 | markun | It's very hard to find BDF fonts with arabic |
18:02:14 | dongs | do you have a .lang file for it? |
18:02:30 | dongs | or else how am i supposed to test |
18:02:35 | markun | no, but you could make a filename with a string from ar.wikipedia.org |
18:03:14 | Mikachu | just make a file with arabic in it or the name and view it?? |
18:04:21 | dongs | ok lets see |
18:04:50 | dongs | i wonder if tahoma failed it |
18:05:38 | dongs | markun: fat32 stores filenames as unicode? |
18:05:57 | markun | dongs: yes |
18:06:13 | dongs | it doesnt seem tahoma supports arabic |
18:06:23 | dongs | hm |
18:06:24 | markun | But you also need the glyps in the range 0xFE00-0xFDFF |
18:06:27 | dongs | according to notepad it does |
18:06:30 | markun | Eh.. |
18:06:40 | dongs | but the font fails to get the glyph |
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18:07:04 | markun | FB00-FEFF or something :) |
18:07:17 | markun | dongs: strange, maybe an older version of tahoma? |
18:07:32 | dongs | FB50+ is arabic supplement |
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18:07:39 | dongs | er presentation forms |
18:07:44 | dongs | i guess i'll mark all those ranges |
18:07:50 | dongs | i only included U0600 |
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18:08:09 | Mikachu | are you japanese or only living in japan? |
18:08:12 | markun | but you need to include the U0600 range as well |
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18:08:28 | dongs | FB50-FDFF and FE70-FEFF |
18:08:47 | markun | dongs: look at firmware/arabjoin.c for the glyphs we use |
18:10:38 | dongs | oshit |
18:10:39 | dongs | it worked |
18:10:43 | markun | nice :) |
18:10:49 | * | amiconn again points out that it's *not* fat32 what stores the unicode filenames |
18:11:05 | Mikachu | is it vfat? |
18:11:09 | amiconn | yepp |
18:11:18 | dongs | theres a strange render bug in the selector when its over arabic filename |
18:11:27 | dongs | its like part of it is missing |
18:11:31 | dongs | but the reading is correct. |
18:11:31 | Mikachu | i got a really weird selector when i moved a song in my playlist |
18:11:37 | Mikachu | it would blink between four states |
18:12:47 | Mikachu | the selector is supposed to blink white and black i think, but sometimes it would also blink transparent |
18:14:15 | dongs | markun: http://pbx.mine.nu/DSC00295.JPG w/arabic |
18:14:27 | dongs | (and broken selector bar) |
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18:14:51 | nayr | hello |
18:15:20 | dongs | i copied ar.wikipedia's top page title and i think heading from the upper left first article. |
18:15:24 | dongs | it seems to look same. |
18:16:23 | markun | nice |
18:16:48 | markun | no idea what causes the selector bar problem |
18:17:04 | dongs | maybe the terrorists |
18:17:46 | Mikachu | incorrect width calculation maybe |
18:17:49 | markun | Maybe because some of the code uses the unjoined string to calculate the string width |
18:18:02 | markun | Mikachu: yes, probably |
18:18:19 | markun | I think we only join when printing |
18:18:50 | markun | With a fixed width font you will only see this when you have a ligature and 2 chars become 1 glyph |
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18:19:16 | dongs | this should be a proprotional font since its from tahoma |
18:19:49 | markun | yes, but the tests I did were all with unifont |
18:19:58 | dongs | ah |
18:20:39 | dongs | dpro: it seems if I press the center button while unplugging it doesnt show the dead battery thing. |
18:20:50 | dongs | at least, it hasnt done it yet |
18:21:07 | Romanos | is your nano new? |
18:21:14 | dongs | yea |
18:21:23 | Romanos | that's weird |
18:21:32 | dongs | is it a known problem? |
18:21:35 | Romanos | yep |
18:21:41 | Romanos | every nano does that |
18:21:53 | dongs | but the battery is fully charged.. |
18:22:00 | amiconn | markun: It seems font_getstringsize() doesn't join |
18:22:08 | Romanos | whatever i tried, i'm just gettin that stupid battery icon and my ipod shuts completely off |
18:22:13 | amiconn | ...so the width calculation _will_ be wrong for arabic |
18:22:26 | markun | yes |
18:22:34 | Romanos | i have to rebbot it each time to get it workin properly |
18:22:41 | Romanos | crap |
18:24:09 | Romanos | i've tried u're trick btw and it's not workin.. i'm still having the same thing after some tests.. |
18:24:13 | dongs | hm |
18:24:26 | Mikachu | Romanos: ur |
18:24:27 | dongs | i pulled it like 4 times now and it hasnt showed the dead battery while holding center button |
18:24:32 | Romanos | huh? |
18:24:32 | dongs | but yeah probably just lucky. |
18:24:37 | dongs | its random |
18:24:43 | dongs | yesterday it didnt happen for like 20 tries |
18:24:43 | Romanos | yep |
18:24:45 | Mikachu | Romanos: u're means you are, not your |
18:24:49 | dongs | then does it every time. |
18:25:04 | Romanos | whatever :P |
18:25:07 | amiconn | markun: Do you know how this could be fixed? |
18:25:08 | dongs | markun: would hebrew need special handling? |
18:25:17 | dongs | (do oyu know) |
18:25:21 | Romanos | wow.. sure .. |
18:25:36 | Romanos | can u get hebrew in rockbox? |
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18:25:46 | Romanos | that would be kinda tricky |
18:25:47 | dongs | i included hebrew unicode ranges but im not getting the filename displaying |
18:26:06 | Romanos | mean idtags? |
18:26:10 | Romanos | in wps? |
18:26:24 | Mikachu | what was that earlier? text viewer/editor? |
18:26:24 | dongs | no, im testing by making a filename |
18:26:31 | dongs | all my tests is filenames |
18:26:37 | dongs | that i pasted in here |
18:27:01 | Mikachu | er yeah, hebrew is not arabic, ignore me |
18:27:28 | Romanos | what's the difference btw between arabic and hebrew? |
18:27:39 | dongs | they both look like shit to me |
18:27:41 | markun | dongs: hebrew should just work |
18:27:44 | Romanos | lol |
18:27:45 | dongs | markun: i see |
18:28:33 | markun | the string get's mirrored, but that's all |
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18:28:46 | markun | Romanos: are you serious? |
18:28:59 | Romanos | i never got the point of what exactly is happening back there in israel but it's really sad |
18:29:01 | Mikachu | Romanos: you never cease to amaze me |
18:29:10 | Romanos | what do u mean mikachu? |
18:29:17 | Mikachu | again |
18:29:20 | dongs | hm |
18:29:24 | dongs | well the chars are getting included.. |
18:29:34 | markun | strange.. |
18:29:38 | Mikachu | Romanos: basically the israelites say god gave them the country and the arabs always lived there |
18:29:46 | dongs | oh, oops |
18:29:57 | Romanos | i just didn't knew.. do i really had to? |
18:30:30 | Romanos | that's why i asked.. stop pickin on me .. |
18:30:31 | dongs | yea it worked |
18:30:40 | markun | Romanos: np, now you know |
18:30:51 | dongs | compiled font is still only 780k |
18:31:00 | Mikachu | Romanos: sure, when you stop joining with random nicks asking the same question over and over |
18:31:01 | dongs | about same size asyour 6x12 |
18:31:22 | Romanos | mikachu, you are a laugh indeed! |
18:31:22 | Mikachu | what height is your font? |
18:31:42 | dongs | 12 |
18:31:56 | Romanos | and markun.. no i don't no. I will really know when i get some reaserch done |
18:32:35 | markun | Romanos: ok |
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18:38:10 | dongs | Romanos: yep, the fuckin battery thing just came up while holding cneter button |
18:38:12 | dongs | so much for that idea. |
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18:47:33 | dongs | markun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VuiNmR33.html is the current code. |
18:47:55 | dongs | might want to compile freetype with bytecode interpreter unless you like ugly fonts |
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18:51:44 | markun | dongs: I've got the bytecode interpreter compiled in for years I think |
18:51:52 | dongs | i see |
18:52:30 | dongs | you gonna fix the arabic selector bar thing? |
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18:52:48 | markun | yes, could do that |
18:54:19 | Dinomight | Quick Q, is there a way to adjust the speed/acceleration of the scrollwheel on rockbox for the ipod |
18:54:49 | dongs | yea |
18:54:59 | dongs | settings / display/ scrolling |
18:55:06 | dongs | duno why its under "display" |
18:55:15 | dongs | settings -> "general settings" |
18:56:37 | dongs | is "statusbar" in file browser skinnable? |
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18:57:36 | Dinomight | are you sure thats what it is.... i think thats the speed of text scrolling (ie a line of text doesn't fit on the screen so it scrolls it left to right).(in fact after testing the setting that appears to be exactly what it is) |
18:58:08 | Dinomight | i looked all through the settings and couldn't find it anywhere. maybe i'm retarted |
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18:59:53 | dongs | hm youre right |
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19:00:01 | dongs | infact the scroll settings dont make any difference at all |
19:00:03 | dongs | especially the speed one |
19:00:04 | dongs | :D |
19:00:21 | dongs | setting it to 0 would sure disable all scrolling |
19:00:22 | dongs | huuhhu |
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19:05:31 | chang | hi guy, just a question |
19:05:47 | chang | it's is possible to have a volume changing GUI like iPod one ? |
19:06:11 | ravon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5291 |
19:06:16 | ravon | Is the author of that one here? |
19:06:33 | PaulJam_ | When i insert the usb cable while in the wps, shouldn't the menu backdrop be shown instead of the wps backdrop? |
19:06:52 | PaulJam_ | (h320) |
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19:08:28 | petur | ravon: he's not here atm |
19:08:39 | ravon | petur: oki |
19:10:46 | nudelyn | Can anyone advise me on the best way to view/compare revisions inside an RCS ,v file (without creating a CVS server or reading 100 pages of man files :)) |
19:11:04 | ravon | nudelyn: Get a cvs frontend :) |
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19:11:30 | ravon | or oh. nvm |
19:11:39 | nudelyn | will they understand the ,v file without a server in between? |
19:11:50 | ravon | Probably not. Hence the "nvm" ;) |
19:12:09 | nudelyn | hehe :) |
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19:12:48 | linuxstb_ | rcsdiff ? |
19:13:20 | nudelyn | thanks, i'll find it & give it a try |
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19:21:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does this sound not-a-little-bit like *our* VoiceUI? http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/04/apple-patents-audio-user-interface/ |
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19:25:30 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes. And reading the comments, it seems the Phatnoise Phatbox has also been doing it for years. |
19:25:52 | nudelyn | how can they patent pre-generated/cached text-to-speech? madness |
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19:26:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's pre-generated text to speech for the purpose of navigating a UI. |
19:26:23 | nudelyn | heh ... patents are retarded |
19:26:30 | Genre9mp3 | lostlogic: here? |
19:28:08 | linuxstb_ | I guess the trick is to make the patent as specific as possible... But yes, it's madness. |
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19:28:36 | RaeNye | Aloha |
19:30:09 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam_: Are you using the latest CVS or Daily build? I thought that WPS backdrop bug was fixed a few days ago. |
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19:30:28 | * | petur kicks ravon |
19:30:42 | ravon | . |
19:31:04 | petur | the creator of that patch is here now |
19:31:16 | ravon | Paulie? |
19:31:21 | RaeNye | it's not a complete patch |
19:31:25 | petur | the one before ;) |
19:31:28 | ravon | ah |
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19:31:43 | RaeNye | Linus said he has no time to work on it, |
19:31:57 | RaeNye | so I modified h100-remote where necessary |
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19:31:59 | ravon | yea, so what's the installation procedure? Replace the h100 LCD file with the X5-fixed one and enable remote LCD in the config? |
19:32:08 | RaeNye | (apparently, also where not necessary) |
19:32:18 | RaeNye | prolly yes |
19:32:40 | RaeNye | maybe fix some light compilation issues |
19:33:02 | RaeNye | I didn't do any ADC |
19:33:10 | ravon | RaeNye: http://pastebin.com/698385 |
19:33:14 | RaeNye | it's mainly getting the lcd to work |
19:33:17 | RaeNye | what's that? |
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19:33:30 | ravon | RaeNye: The compilation errors. |
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19:33:42 | ravon | I must've done something wrong. |
19:34:41 | RaeNye | delete the comma at the end of line 293 |
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19:35:52 | ravon | Still lots of undeclared defines though |
19:35:58 | RaeNye | and modify adc.h to have some ADC_XXX constants for IAUDIO X5 |
19:36:28 | RaeNye | ADVVAL_XXX, that is |
19:36:35 | RaeNye | ADCVAL |
19:36:35 | nayr | how hard would it be to implement itunes support? |
19:37:23 | Mikachu | go to the menu and enable tagcache |
19:37:26 | RaeNye | btw, did anybody else try the dual-boot patch? |
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19:39:24 | PaulJam | linuxstb_: i was using a bleeding edge build from ~2 hours ago. |
19:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | nayr: The whole point of Rockbox is to liberate a player from any PC-side dependencies. |
19:40:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, not the whole point, but a rather major one. |
19:40:35 | Moos | RaeNye: Rehi, just back, now I can test on the device (let me few minutes), but btw did you test it yourself? is this boot-loader safe enough? |
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19:40:55 | RaeNye | I'm running it with 2.10-k |
19:41:18 | RaeNye | and I flashed my device a dozen of times while debugging |
19:41:29 | * | amiconn is tempted to post a comment to this engadget thread... |
19:41:37 | RaeNye | (some of which with clearly non-working code... :) |
19:41:45 | Moos | RaeNye: btw, why not release one .bin in the Wiki or somewhere? |
19:42:10 | RaeNye | Everybody should pick their favorite FW version |
19:42:29 | RaeNye | also, I'm not sure I want to distibute cowon's FW |
19:43:04 | * | amiconn needs to look up when rockbox got its voice UI |
19:43:27 | Moos | RaeNye: just make like LinusN always made, release one .bin and add checksums for 1 or 2 cowan fw version ? |
19:43:47 | Moos | for the patcher I mean |
19:44:04 | RaeNye | the patcher is FW version independent as well |
19:44:19 | Essk | does anyone know a reason for getting a 1 byte file when I try to extract the apple firmware using ipod_fw? (I'm on linux & it's a brand new 5g) |
19:44:32 | Essk | oops that should be 0 byte file |
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19:44:54 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree that Rockbox is designed to be independent from PC software, but I think it would be a good thing for it to integrate more with PC based music players - as long as it's optional. |
19:44:58 | Moos | RaeNye: yeah, but you can easily make it working for iaudios too, including checksums of differents Cowan's version |
19:44:58 | RaeNye | all you need is a standalone x5-patch-original-fw.c (compiled), bootloader.bin (which we should distribute) and a cowon x5-fw.bin of your choice |
19:45:34 | RaeNye | afaik it'll work with x5v as well |
19:45:39 | Moos | let me few minutes and I'll compil this |
19:45:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, I think it depends on the level of integration. I'm not sure how much more we can go beyond what we offer with tagcache already. |
19:45:54 | Moos | RaeNye: cool |
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19:46:54 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: It's mainly things like syncing a runtime database back to the PC, and allowing a PC application to build tagcache. |
19:47:10 | nayr | well, all mine can see is calendars/notes/contacts |
19:47:22 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd, linuxstb: I wonder how it is possible for apple to patent this. One comment on the thread says that phatbox does this for years, and rockbox also got its voice ui more than 2 years ago |
19:47:33 | amiconn | (14 Mar 2004 to be precise) |
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19:48:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Ah. Yeah, I'm definitely in favour of that. "Integration" to me was leaning more toward "Dealing with their crap" such as parsing the iTunes database, rather than "Coming up with ways to make them deal with our crap" :) |
19:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | nayr: Are those the only non-hidden files/folders on your unit? |
19:49:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I would think that Rockbox and Phatbox would both qualify as prior art. |
19:49:06 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I think they've just applied for the patent at this stage. I guess it's up to other people to prove there is prior art. |
19:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's fortunate that it's not "First to file" rather than "First to invent." There's apparently considerable pressure for the former, which would of course kill public domain software since you'd have to patent everything potentially patentable just to prevent a corporation from wandering in and taking it. |
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19:51:21 | Moos | RaeNye: are the files in the patch tracker up to date? |
19:51:36 | RaeNye | which patch? |
19:51:57 | Moos | dual-boot one? |
19:51:58 | RaeNye | the DB has two versions, both work |
19:52:21 | RaeNye | the latter has more 'proper' code |
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19:53:54 | linuxstb_ | nayr: What did you mean when you asked "implement itunes support". What do you need? |
19:54:23 | RaeNye | note the long-press issue, though. It took me a couple of minutes to understand that it *does* work |
19:54:40 | Moos | RaeNye: ok, let's me compile first :) |
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19:54:50 | Myth1 | hi guys |
19:54:57 | preglow | hi |
19:55:06 | RaeNye | ravon: anything new? |
19:55:59 | Moos | RaeNye: where need I put the .c file in the source dir? |
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19:56:41 | Moos | the x5-patch-original-fw one |
19:57:53 | Moos | RaeNye: is your nick registred to freenode for private messages? |
19:58:04 | RaeNye | replace lcd-h100-remote.c in firmware/drivers |
19:58:10 | RaeNye | moos: no |
19:58:35 | RaeNye | sorry, ignore the h100 comment |
19:58:45 | Moos | yeah I guessed |
19:58:47 | Moos | :) |
19:58:56 | Moos | i'm on the dual boot patch |
19:58:58 | RaeNye | I put the x5-patch in tools, and manually compiled it |
19:59:06 | Moos | ok |
19:59:07 | RaeNye | can add to makefile as well |
19:59:11 | RaeNye | it's standalone |
19:59:20 | Moos | and compile one bootloader build? |
19:59:24 | RaeNye | yep |
19:59:35 | Moos | with sources preliminary patched too? |
19:59:42 | RaeNye | you need build/bootloader/bootloader.bin |
19:59:47 | Moos | ok |
19:59:57 | RaeNye | yes. the patch changes crt0.S and boot/map.lds |
20:00 |
20:00:11 | RaeNye | (or something like that) |
20:00:32 | Moos | ok |
20:00:48 | Bagder | RaeNye: is your remote lcd driver monocrome only? |
20:00:55 | Bagder | I mean 1 bit |
20:01:23 | RaeNye | I'm not sure |
20:01:29 | RaeNye | I think it's 2-bit |
20:01:36 | Bagder | since the h100 remote is 1bit |
20:01:45 | Bagder | and comments in your source imply 1bit |
20:01:59 | Bagder | just curious |
20:02:05 | Bagder | its still nice progress |
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20:02:33 | linuxstb_ | Apple's patent application: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Apple.AS.&OS=AN/Apple&RS=AN/Apple |
20:02:38 | RaeNye | interesting. The preloader does store images as 2-bit |
20:02:39 | Moos | Bagder: already tested patches? |
20:03:01 | Bagder | RaeNye: the x5 remote is 2bit, yes |
20:03:10 | Bagder | Moos: reading source code right now |
20:03:16 | Moos | ok |
20:04:57 | Bagder | since it is so much from the h100-remote, it clarly only does 1bit |
20:05:02 | Bagder | clearly |
20:05:05 | preglow | haahhaha |
20:05:08 | preglow | linuxstb_: hello prior art |
20:05:27 | linuxstb_ | Sorry, I fell asleep reading the patent.... |
20:05:36 | RaeNye | Yes. I picked h100-remote.c to change since the SPI and the lcd commands looked very much alike |
20:05:40 | Bagder | The neo guys also had this UI since long ago |
20:05:42 | preglow | patent applications are the most boring type of "literature" in the world |
20:05:46 | linuxstb_ | How can you use so many words to describe something so simple? |
20:06:15 | preglow | some people are annoying |
20:06:17 | RaeNye | well, I really gtg. Mail me if something miserably breaks :) |
20:06:22 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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20:07:09 | preglow | but anyway |
20:07:17 | preglow | what's the status on the application? |
20:07:25 | preglow | surely this'll never go through? |
20:07:45 | Bagder | wanna bet? |
20:07:47 | linuxstb_ | I think the application has just been made public. Not sure what that means in the patent process |
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20:08:36 | amiconn | Bagder: I offered to write the 2bit x5 remote lcd driver if someone figures out the lowlevel details and points me to the lcd controller datasheet |
20:08:53 | amiconn | (and also tells me the orientation of the lcd in the actual remote) |
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20:09:23 | Bagder | I would've expected that raenye had some of that figured out |
20:09:27 | amiconn | Should be fairly simple; the framebuffer format is either a variation of the ipod 2bit or the H1x0 format |
20:10:00 | Bagder | I mean, why would he submit that code if it doesn't work? |
20:10:04 | amiconn | Of course x5 lcd work is postponed until after 3.0 |
20:10:25 | amiconn | (that also goes for the optimised main lcd update - it's not forgotten) |
20:10:46 | Bagder | yeah, that's really post 3.0 stuff indeed |
20:11:03 | Moos | amiconn: great |
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20:11:23 | Bagder | gggg - "I cannot test any of it as I don't have a RC." |
20:11:29 | Bagder | so he guessed |
20:11:38 | Bagder | and I think it looks he guessed really wrong |
20:11:45 | Moos | uch :( |
20:12:32 | Bagder | oh well, he seems on his toes so I bet he'll be back soon with an update! ;-) |
20:12:41 | Moos | hehe : ) |
20:13:29 | preglow | Bagder: what process is involved in claiming prior art? |
20:13:43 | Bagder | I don't know |
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20:15:07 | amiconn | Bagder: The code is practically the h100 remote driver just with the gpio pins adjusted. Not even the anti-ticking measures are removed |
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20:15:24 | Bagder | yes and lots of #ifdefs for h100/300 etc |
20:15:30 | amiconn | My guess is that it won't work |
20:15:48 | amiconn | (work as in produce a recognisable display) |
20:15:56 | Bagder | that's my guess too |
20:16:13 | Bagder | I might check later tonight if something can be made to show on the lcd |
20:16:30 | amiconn | I have the lcd datasheet |
20:16:52 | amiconn | The remote is 128x96, correct? |
20:16:59 | amiconn | Is it portrait or landscape? |
20:17:05 | Bagder | landscape |
20:17:21 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/2remotes_t.jpg |
20:17:36 | amiconn | Hmm, that still doesn't tell me much as the controller chip supports up to 128x128... |
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20:19:01 | Bagder | bbl |
20:20:21 | linuxstb_ | The apple patent also references (and incorporates) this one from July 2003: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20050015254.PGNR.&OS=DN/20050015254&RS=DN/20050015254 |
20:20:27 | linuxstb_ | "Voice menu system"... |
20:21:05 | preglow | ehh |
20:21:15 | preglow | isn't this a subset of the other one? |
20:21:27 | preglow | please |
20:22:05 | preglow | these ideas are so novel an infant could accidentally device them |
20:22:12 | preglow | devise too |
20:22:44 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that what I mean - Apple filed a "voice menu system" patent in 2003, and have just applied to extend it to audio clips generated on a PC. |
20:22:59 | linuxstb_ | .. from tags. |
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20:24:29 | nudelyn | but apple are such a wonderful company with everyone's interests at heart and everything they do and make is perfect and steve jobbs is sexy! |
20:25:26 | Hansmaulwurf | great sentence |
20:25:36 | Hansmaulwurf | ;) |
20:25:45 | preglow | nudelyn: finished oblivion yet? :> |
20:26:09 | Hansmaulwurf | propably he got an error crash |
20:26:12 | Hansmaulwurf | like me :o |
20:26:24 | nudelyn | close to finishing all the "good" quests... i'm in programming hell at the moment converting the latest dcraw.c to threadsafe C++ :-| |
20:26:38 | Hansmaulwurf | most bugged game i ever played i think |
20:26:54 | amiconn | Hmm, we can clock the x5 remote lcd up to 16MHz. Now lets hope the remote lcd has a less crappy wiring than the iriver remote... |
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20:27:01 | nudelyn | i've found it pretty bug-free considering the size and time i've played it... much better than morrowind was. |
20:27:03 | zambarro | hey all |
20:27:11 | zambarro | oblivion? |
20:27:19 | Hansmaulwurf | elder scrolls 4 |
20:27:19 | nudelyn | hi. yeah |
20:27:31 | zambarro | das rox my brain |
20:27:33 | zambarro | im loving it |
20:27:36 | zambarro | :) |
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20:27:53 | Hansmaulwurf | nudelyn: i get a error crash every half hour and cant leave the game without crashing XP |
20:28:03 | zambaroo | Hansmaulwurf, get new drivers |
20:28:14 | Hansmaulwurf | done |
20:28:18 | Hansmaulwurf | didnt help |
20:28:20 | zambaroo | ive had the same issue, updated the nvidia drivers −− bam. |
20:28:23 | zambaroo | all problems gone. |
20:28:26 | nudelyn | I really need someone who knows more about photoshop to help me automate saving out different versions of my theme. ( http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=12081301 ) Doing it manually for different colour schemes (plus nano-sized versions) isn't fun. |
20:28:31 | Hansmaulwurf | have an ATI card zambaroo |
20:28:41 | zambaroo | oh im sorry :P |
20:28:45 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah :P |
20:28:54 | preglow | nudelyn: i can imagine it's not |
20:29:08 | zambaroo | when i hear "automate" i think imagemagick. |
20:29:15 | zambaroo | but that's just me. |
20:29:33 | nudelyn | photoshop lets you automate that sort of thing but only for max 2 states per rectangle. :( (designed for mouse-overs on webpages) |
20:30:39 | zambaroo | what id like to know is where are my songs? :) |
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20:31:01 | nudelyn | there is a vbscript interface to PS now but it looks complicated |
20:31:39 | amiconn | Hrmph, the x5 remote lcd format in 2bit mode is neither the H100 format nor the 2bit ipod format |
20:31:40 | nudelyn | rockbox should support alpha blending to make my life easier :) |
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20:33:01 | captbunzo | hello, all... |
20:33:06 | captbunzo | anyone here? |
20:33:30 | zambaroo | yah we're just messing with you |
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20:33:37 | captbunzo | I am looking for some advice on Rockbox on an iPod 4G.... |
20:33:38 | zambaroo | so guys, where do i put my songs now? |
20:33:41 | amiconn | Instead, it is *similar* to the 1bit vertical packed format (archos etc), but uses 2 bytes per 8-pixel block. The 2 bits defining the pixel brightness are spread across these 2 bytes... |
20:34:05 | amiconn | Makes it easier to write mono bitmaps, but requires yet another 2bit pixel packing... |
20:34:23 | captbunzo | I followed the install instructions. Booted up. |
20:34:30 | zambaroo | because what i have now on the ipod is not seen by rockbox |
20:34:35 | zambaroo | or i cannot find it w/rockbox |
20:34:46 | zambaroo | i made no changes to the location of the files though |
20:34:57 | linuxstb_ | zambaroo: One word: TagCache |
20:34:58 | captbunzo | It booted in fine. Then upon r eboot, it locks on the splash screen. |
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20:35:30 | captbunzo | any tips? |
20:36:03 | zambaroo | linuxstb_, tagcache..? |
20:36:28 | zambaroo | oh i see |
20:36:29 | zambaroo | thanks. |
20:36:29 | captbunzo | zambaroo: have you checked into the docs on the website? |
20:36:30 | linuxstb_ | Try deleting rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder from your ipod, and copy them again. Also, try turning the hold switch on immediately after your ipod is turned on - this will reset your settings to the defaults. |
20:36:54 | captbunzo | linuxstb_: thanks. |
20:37:00 | captbunzo | I've tried the recopy bit. |
20:37:10 | captbunzo | I'll try the reset bit. |
20:37:24 | linuxstb_ | Also, when you say "splash screen", do you mean the screen with the Rockbox logo? |
20:37:29 | captbunzo | yep. |
20:37:37 | captbunzo | I apologize if that is the wrong term. |
20:37:46 | zambaroo | linuxstb_, it only took like 5 seconds though |
20:37:49 | linuxstb_ | OK, so that means rockbox.ipod has been loaded by the bootloader, but it's crashed. |
20:38:02 | captbunzo | bummer. :) |
20:38:05 | zambaroo | and on the mainscreen i only see calendars, contacs, notes and rockbox |
20:38:13 | linuxstb_ | captbunzo: No, it's the right term :) Just making sure you were not using the wrong term... |
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20:38:42 | linuxstb_ | zambaroo: Have you found the TagCache wiki page? |
20:38:47 | captbunzo | zambaroo: have you checked out the Ipod FAQ yet? I found it very helpful. |
20:38:48 | captbunzo | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
20:38:56 | zambaroo | ive seen that |
20:39:01 | zambaroo | have i missed something? |
20:39:04 | zambaroo | (obviously) |
20:39:24 | linuxstb_ | You need to switch rockbox to "id3 database view". |
20:39:43 | zambaroo | er |
20:40:31 | linuxstb_ | Press and hold the MENU button whilst in the file browser, and then press PLAY to toggle the "Show Files" option to "ID3 Database" |
20:40:38 | linuxstb_ | Then press MENU again. |
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20:41:19 | zambaroo | ewwww now i see it |
20:41:26 | zambaroo | hehe |
20:41:53 | zambaroo | jeeebus, what's m4p? |
20:42:17 | linuxstb_ | Protected AAC files. |
20:42:22 | linuxstb_ | Get rid of them... |
20:42:33 | zambaroo | mnah i'll just nuke this guy |
20:42:37 | zambaroo | all of it |
20:42:44 | zambaroo | crap anyway |
20:42:57 | zambaroo | got it from a chick who fell on it and smashed the lcd to pieces |
20:42:58 | captbunzo | ok. I've deleted the .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod..... Now let's see if a reinstall will help at all..... |
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20:43:27 | zambaroo | 40$ and 10 minutes later had a 20gb ipod hehe |
20:43:28 | linuxstb_ | captbunzo: Try extracting the zip file directly to your ipod, instead of extracting to your computer and then copying. |
20:43:33 | preglow | nudelyn: but anywho, you only need to make the nano port, the others aren't important :) |
20:43:45 | zambaroo | captbunzo, are you installing from linux or windows? |
20:43:55 | captbunzo | okie dokie. |
20:44:01 | captbunzo | windows. |
20:44:20 | zambaroo | on linux i had to run sync like 3 times and unmount the partition for the fw to actually land |
20:44:32 | zambaroo | (how do windows people force sync?) |
20:44:47 | linuxstb_ | Just unmounting the disk should be enough. WIndows users have "safely remove hardware" - or they disable the cache. |
20:44:49 | captbunzo | good question... :) |
20:44:55 | captbunzo | ah... |
20:45:53 | nudelyn | preglow: heh true :) i might have a play with photoshop tonight when i'm too tired to code anymore |
20:46:10 | captbunzo | woohoo... :) |
20:46:18 | captbunzo | I've got it working again..... for now. |
20:46:57 | nayr | uhh... how do you control volume?> |
20:47:16 | nayr | ? |
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20:47:46 | nayr | ? |
20:47:57 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Did you experience shorter battery life than before with your latest ipod battery test? |
20:48:29 | nayr | ? |
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20:48:44 | webguest05 | hi all |
20:48:59 | linuxstb_ | nayr: From the While Playing Screen (WPS), use the scrollwheel. |
20:49:42 | captbunzo | in "id3 database view" mode, I keep getting the message "TagCache is not ready" |
20:50:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | captbunzo: Have you run the forced update and restarted? |
20:50:03 | webguest05 | anybody here know if the rockbox developer will put rock on the new mpio hd400?? |
20:50:19 | captbunzo | I don't think so. |
20:50:27 | captbunzo | how do I "run the forced update" |
20:50:29 | linuxstb_ | webguest05: Very unlikely. |
20:50:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | captbunzo: You should read the TagCache instructions then. It's at the wiki page named TagCache |
20:50:57 | captbunzo | ok. will do. thanks! |
20:51:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes |
20:51:15 | captbunzo | wikis are cool :) |
20:51:25 | linuxstb_ | There have been a few forum posts from people reporting reduced battery life as well... |
20:51:52 | amiconn | 10:45 in my old test, and only 9:05 yesterday |
20:52:23 | amiconn | I have a suspicions what may cause this |
20:52:26 | amiconn | -s |
20:52:52 | nayr | and does itunes have a way of giving everything an ID3 tagg? |
20:53:16 | captbunzo | nayr: look into Effpod. |
20:53:34 | captbunzo | it is sort of an itunes replacement program. |
20:53:39 | amiconn | I good proof would be if nano owners don't observe the shorter battery life |
20:53:42 | webguest05 | is there a way to make rockbox compatible with a mpio hd400 by my self ??? lol |
20:53:44 | amiconn | s/I/A/ |
20:54:48 | nayr | that's for windows |
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20:54:58 | captbunzo | ah - sorry! |
20:55:06 | linuxstb_ | webguest05: Just follow this step-by-step guide: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=NewPort |
20:55:37 | webguest05 | thx linuxstb |
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20:56:33 | amiconn | preglow ? |
20:57:11 | nayr | if I want to disable Rockbox, I can just rename rockbox.ipod to ~rockbox.ipod, right? |
20:57:25 | lowlight | Hi...does the text viewer work for anyone else...it crashes my h140 and the h120 sim. |
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20:58:14 | linuxstb_ | nayr: Yes, or hold MENU when your ipod restarts to start the Apple firmware - see the FAQ for instructions. |
20:58:25 | amiconn | lowlight: Working fine here... tested on archos player, Ondio FM, ipod mini 2g, h340 |
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20:59:00 | fraggsta | You know, I <3 the iAudio X520L I got just today. But what would make me <3 it even more is putting Rockbox on it.. |
20:59:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Freeze on my H120. So far the _only_ freezing reports I've heard are on H120/140 |
20:59:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It's a hard freeze too, requiring a Reset Button. |
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21:00:12 | fraggsta | But I'm scared :(. I also have no idea whether an X5L is what the bootloader page describes as an "x5v". Does anyone know how I find this out? (the identify page doesn't help) |
21:00:31 | amiconn | Something is wrong with the h1x0 sim... it freezes right at the start. Other sims work |
21:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | fraggsta: The X5L is just an X5 with a larger battery, not an X5V, if I understand correctly |
21:00:48 | lowlight | amiconn: the changes of 5/1 seem to have broke it for the h120 |
21:00:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I was talking about on-unit, for my viewer test. Maybe there's something wrong all-around with the H120. |
21:01:17 | * | amiconn builds h1x0 target |
21:01:36 | linuxstb_ | fraggsta: If no-one answers your question here, try browsing the iaudio forum at http://forums.rockbox.org (there are not many iaudio devs) |
21:01:40 | fraggsta | The other thing I'd like to know is this: I see in the feature requests an audioscrobbler (last.fm) plugin. It's been attached to a post as a patch. Will I have to compile rockbox to get this working? If so, is this likely to be scary, and/or result in my player being a brick? |
21:01:51 | nayr | hmmm |
21:01:59 | nayr | why can't I get my ipod into disk mode? |
21:02:44 | Genre9mp3 | what is the file size limit for an archos wps??? |
21:02:53 | Genre9mp3 | anyone know? |
21:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I'm about 95% certain the L just designates a larger battery. |
21:03:26 | linuxstb_ | Ah, sorry. I thought he had a V.. Is the V supported? |
21:03:27 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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21:04:00 | pixelma | Description/ General Info |
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21:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | fraggsta: You'll have to compile it yes. But you shouldn't be risking bricking with compiling unless you start tinkering with the bootloader, which you won't have to. |
21:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: If I recall there's a V bootloader now. I'm not certain, but I seem to recall it at least being discussed in the X5 forums, and someone looking into it. |
21:05:00 | fraggsta | Paul_The_Nerd: Is that particularly hard now, or is it all sufficiently driven by Makefiles to not be hard? |
21:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | fraggsta: The fact that you used the word "makefiles" without prompting tells me you'll probably find it sufficiently simple, yes. :) |
21:05:54 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's just a simple "configure ; make ; make zip" to create the rockbox.zip. |
21:06:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Yeah, there's an X5V bootloader now, it seems. |
21:06:13 | linuxstb_ | What OS are you running? |
21:06:34 | fraggsta | Paul_The_Nerd: I haven't done any dev for a while but yeah, I'm pretty familiar with developing and compiling things with the whole GNU toolchain.. |
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21:06:45 | linuxstb_ | Then you'll be at home... |
21:06:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | fraggsta: Yeah, cakewalk then. |
21:07:07 | fraggsta | s'pose it helps that I'm already running Linux |
21:07:28 | captbunzo | anyway to check on the progress of TagCache? |
21:08:13 | nayr | cool |
21:08:19 | nayr | I got a new ipod warning icon |
21:08:27 | nayr | it's a picture of a plug |
21:08:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | captbunzo: You can check in the debug menu, but it's not always right |
21:08:36 | Genre9mp3 | wow...really strange behavior..... |
21:08:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | nayr: The large charging icon? |
21:08:48 | nayr | no |
21:09:00 | nayr | it's a charger, cia a conventional plug into the wall |
21:09:24 | nayr | I shall plug it in... |
21:09:44 | nayr | ok |
21:09:55 | nayr | it's foing a clean-reboot now |
21:09:58 | nayr | doing* |
21:10:07 | nayr | PARTAY |
21:10:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Oh, other people are showing up with the 5G always thinking usb is connected issue, I think. In fact, one of him noted his iPod was always showing the plugged-in icon in retail after installing the bootloader. |
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21:10:29 | nayr | I can now do "restoring" |
21:10:31 | captbunzo | ah. I was being dumb... |
21:10:35 | nayr | without the apple software :D |
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21:10:56 | captbunzo | didn't reboot after the tag cache updated. |
21:11:09 | captbunzo | I don't think I see that on the wiki page. |
21:11:22 | amiconn | wtf... |
21:11:45 | captbunzo | But I think I saw someone comment on that earlier... |
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21:12:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | captbunzo: Yeah. I thought someone was supposed to have added that to the page for me. Fixed. |
21:13:21 | preglow | amiconn: yeah? |
21:13:36 | * | amiconn wonders why the pretty generic vewer code hangs H1x0 _only_ ?!?!?! |
21:13:37 | klrspz | Genre9mp3, the last line? |
21:13:54 | amiconn | preglow: Did you observe shorter runtime on your nano recently? |
21:13:54 | captbunzo | grr. it appears attempting to play an Mp4 locks it up for me... |
21:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3_: Third? |
21:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3_: It's a little hard to tell, honestly |
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21:14:18 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: i would expect it to show up in the 5th line |
21:14:32 | amiconn | (recently meaning since md-april or so) |
21:14:34 | captbunzo | and then gets me back to the failed boot problem... |
21:14:41 | Genre9mp3_ | anyone? |
21:15:06 | captbunzo | clearing settings seems to have fixed it this time. |
21:15:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3_: How 'bout telling us which line it shows up on, so we can try to figure out why it's not doing what you expected it to do. |
21:15:34 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: That's interesting that retailos also misbehaves. |
21:16:23 | * | petur deletes a folder in the root and sees that his volume label stays |
21:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I'm not 100% sure it does. The person is in that category of "vague" where I have to start interpreting rather than reading statements. But I think that's what he means. |
21:16:33 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: not sure, but I think it would be the 14th?! |
21:16:52 | amiconn | Should be the 7th line |
21:17:11 | amiconn | petur: Did you change anything? |
21:17:12 | pixelma | ok |
21:17:20 | petur | nope |
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21:17:59 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Is it in the forum? |
21:18:13 | petur | wtf |
21:18:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3672.0 |
21:19:05 | linuxstb_ | Oooh, a video.. |
21:19:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Not the OP, but dtechnologies |
21:19:51 | Galois | I've gotten that USB issue in linux |
21:20:48 | petur | preglow: what was the disklabel your player had, and the folder name you deleted? |
21:21:00 | Galois | dmesg gives "usb 1-4: control timeout on ep0out" or some nonsense and the mass storage driver simply doesn't register the device |
21:21:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Can you think of anything interesting about the 2G Mini that would cause holding menu to boot into retail to fail most times (as in, it instead reboots the ipod, rather than going into Rockbox or Retail) |
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21:21:36 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I have no idea, it worked when I tested it |
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21:21:59 | amiconn | Note that I don't use retail at all though |
21:22:07 | amiconn | (why shoud I?) |
21:22:12 | Galois | strangely enough, I solved it by doing rmmod ehci-hcd |
21:23:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Oh, I agree in the whole "Don't bother using it" thing. I now have two people stating that a significant portion of the time it restarts back into the bootloader after "Loading Original Firmware", and I'd assume some sort of improper install except sometimes they DO get to Retail. |
21:24:02 | Genre9mp4 | amiconn: I get it in the 6th line.... As I understand it, it counts as text lines: 6,8,13 and 16 but this is really supposed to be that way? |
21:24:33 | Genre9mp4 | I never experienced this except with Archos |
21:25:34 | amiconn | Yes, why not? |
21:25:42 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: you could just put all the lines that contain only conditional images at the end of the file, thats how i do it |
21:25:52 | amiconn | They *are* actual content, so they are lines |
21:26:40 | Genre9mp4 | Yes, but this doesn't happen with any other targets... I made my wps for H300,H100,iAudio, Nano & Mini and it didn't count them as text lines |
21:27:15 | Genre9mp4 | This only happens with Archos |
21:27:44 | amiconn | ??? |
21:28:02 | amiconn | I would expect these lines to be counted as containing text on all targets |
21:28:31 | Genre9mp4 | amiconn: No...this doesn't happen |
21:28:32 | amiconn | ..but then I cannot comment much on this bitmap stuff |
21:28:43 | * | amiconn never made a bitmapped wps so far |
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21:29:12 | Genre9mp4 | The conditionals just load bmps...there is not actuall text in these lines |
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21:30:46 | Genre9mp4 | If I take the same code on other targets I get the "TEXT!!!" at the 2nd line but on Archos at the 6th line |
21:31:26 | amiconn | Then something is wrong on all other units |
21:31:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:31:44 | amiconn | %xdX means _display_ loaded image |
21:31:46 | Genre9mp4 | Or maybe in Archos? |
21:32:14 | Genre9mp4 | Yes, but in my opinion this shouldn't count as a "text" line |
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21:32:57 | Genre9mp4 | it only loads a specific image at specific co-ordinates |
21:33:12 | amiconn | Why are there %al tags then? |
21:34:05 | Genre9mp4 | Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know exactly why, but without them I can't get the animation work |
21:34:16 | Genre9mp4 | Maybe I'm missing something though... |
21:34:41 | Genre9mp4 | But I tried before without the "%al" and the animations didn't work |
21:36:08 | pixelma | ups *mitgezählt |
21:36:11 | Lear | amiconn: regarding the text viewer problem, do you think a zero memory reference could cause a crash on h1x0, but not on others? |
21:36:21 | amiconn | nope |
21:36:37 | petur | Mikachu? |
21:36:40 | amiconn | zero area is rom, so it shouldn't cause bus hangs |
21:36:51 | Genre9mp4 | But even if the parser somehow messed up because of the "%al" tag then the TEXT should be in the 3rd line |
21:37:00 | amiconn | ...and furthermore, it works on H300 which has the same memory layout |
21:37:22 | Lear | amiconn: well, the viewer does reference rb before it is set up... should be fixed anyway. :) |
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21:37:59 | amiconn | oh it does? |
21:38:21 | * | amiconn was not yet done with side-by-side comparison of the changes |
21:38:40 | Lear | sure, reads current_tick before the line with "rb = api;"... |
21:38:53 | Genre9mp4 | But, anyhow, I think I can find solution to the problem but I felt I should report this in case there is a mis-behavior with the wpses on archos or on other targets.... |
21:39:09 | Lear | line 1126 |
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21:40:07 | amiconn | yes see it. Ouch! |
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21:40:57 | pixelma | Genre9mp4: I think the problems aren't the tags but that you start a new line (have a paragraph) |
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21:41:15 | amiconn | apart from that, old_tick should be long |
21:41:29 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: what do you mean by that? |
21:42:15 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Hmm, perhaps you use different line endings in your archos wps and the others? |
21:42:33 | amiconn | I mean unix (lf) vs. windows (cr+lf) |
21:43:14 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I copy-paste it from other version of my wps, the same thing I always do.. |
21:43:22 | amiconn | Lear: That's it! Moving the old_tick assignment fixes the crash |
21:43:40 | Lear | :) |
21:43:51 | * | amiconn wonders why this bug hit on H1x0 only... |
21:44:10 | petur | mem init... |
21:44:30 | petur | it was probably not hanging but waiting a very long time? |
21:44:30 | amiconn | rb should be zero as long as it's not yet initialised |
21:44:40 | amiconn | ...and then it should read from ROM |
21:44:53 | * | amiconn checks with memguard on h300 and archos |
21:44:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it'd been too long since there'd been anything H1x0 specific. H3x0 gets battery life issues, the iPods get alignment woes, the X5 gets being new, and the Archoses get limited ROM space. We had to have a woe of our own. |
21:45:25 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: I don't know how i can explain it, but I think the best solution would be to put the whole thing in a better order (like PaulJam suggested) |
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21:46:45 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: i just tried it in the h300 simulator, the same thing happens (a conditional tag with images is counted as a line) |
21:47:14 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: Yes..I can easily put these lines at the end of the file and solve this but I want to ensure that there isn't any mis-behavior by the wps parser or something... |
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21:47:41 | amiconn | What the heck is an IBE exception?? |
21:48:16 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The line endings could still be different if you copy-paste depending on the editor |
21:48:32 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: I think I have it too in one of my WPS |
21:49:16 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn...I'll check this...I'll try to recopy and ensure about the line-endings |
21:49:48 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: Use notepad2 and enable the view linde endings option |
21:49:48 | amiconn | Just check the 2 wps files (preferably with a hex editor) |
21:50:00 | XavierGr | notepad can be quite annoying with line changes |
21:50:22 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: thanks, I'll try that |
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21:53:04 | mirak | hi |
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21:56:24 | * | amiconn now understands why the uninited rb may hit h1x0 only |
21:58:04 | amiconn | rb is indeed NULL, and rb->current_tick is always the same memory cell (in ROM), but it references a pointer, i.e. another level of indirection. It reads the value from rom and uses it as an address |
21:58:04 | Mikachu | petur: yes? |
21:58:25 | XavierGr | lostlogic are you here? |
21:58:32 | petur | got any details about the vanishing disklabel? |
21:58:51 | amiconn | This might of course be different on h1x0 and h300 (also depending on the retail fw version) |
21:59:47 | Mikachu | petur: the theory was it involved removing a directory in / |
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22:00:11 | petur | tried it, can't reproduce |
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22:00:43 | Mikachu | i know nothing more than that... i use a nano 2gb if that helps in any way |
22:01:01 | petur | but you had the same problem, no? |
22:01:12 | Mikachu | yeah my disk label is gone |
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22:01:29 | Mikachu | also, the about screen in the ipod firmware shows a file in / as the title |
22:01:46 | Mikachu | it looks funny that it says ORGASMODMOD there |
22:02:00 | * | goffa anticipates the arrival of his h140 later today |
22:02:21 | goffa | have a job after work this evening though :( |
22:02:26 | petur | that would be a long filename |
22:02:43 | goffa | so it'll be late o'clock before i get to play with it |
22:02:55 | petur | no it's not a long filename |
22:03:23 | petur | bbl |
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22:08:59 | netcrusher88 | what size is the image for the apple OS normally? |
22:09:21 | Mikachu | the extracted .bin or the firmware partition file? |
22:09:30 | Mikachu | ~5 and ~80MB respectively |
22:10:23 | netcrusher88 | ah |
22:11:04 | netcrusher88 | i followed gentoo wiki's directions to update the fw, and i got an extracted .bin of about 4.5 megs... just making sure that sounds right before i go screwing stuff up |
22:11:20 | Mikachu | gentoo wiki??? |
22:11:25 | netcrusher88 | i run linux |
22:11:35 | Mikachu | why not follow the rockbox instructions for linux? |
22:11:44 | netcrusher88 | i wanted the newest firmware |
22:11:49 | netcrusher88 | so i'm kinda doing both |
22:12:54 | netcrusher88 | just using the firmware partition extracted from the installer instead of the one on the iPod now |
22:13:06 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
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22:14:18 | preglow | amiconn: i don't really use any of my players much these days |
22:14:22 | preglow | so i wouldn't know |
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22:15:02 | preglow | petur: the label was "SMADRE" and the folder delete was recordings |
22:15:09 | preglow | petur: but i don't really think it's a name issue... |
22:15:22 | Mikachu | petur: mine was "nano", and my folder delete took so long i aborted it.. :) |
22:15:35 | petur | k |
22:15:43 | Mikachu | petur: i don't know if the label disappearing happened before or after though |
22:16:20 | Mikachu | i noticed it disappeared since it stopped being automounted, but i don't remember when that was in relation to the dir delete |
22:17:23 | Mikachu | unfortunately the dosfstools for linux don't let you set the label without reformatting |
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22:17:44 | Mikachu | and my friend is watching a movie |
22:17:54 | Genre9mp3 | OK...about the conditional with bmps lines in wps...My bad...I did some tests and I found that they ARE supposed to count as a text line... |
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22:18:33 | Genre9mp3 | It seem's that there's a text line limit in Archos though (and in Mini2g but bigger) that confused me... |
22:19:19 | preglow | Mikachu: stopped being automounted |
22:19:21 | preglow | ?? |
22:19:28 | preglow | that has just happened with my h120 as well |
22:19:29 | Mikachu | preglow: i used /dev/disk/by-label/nano |
22:19:36 | preglow | right.. |
22:19:39 | preglow | something else here, then |
22:19:54 | preglow | it's h120 specific too, how lovely |
22:19:55 | preglow | argh |
22:20:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: The fun thing is that the USB problems on H120 started about the same time as the Viewer problem. |
22:20:39 | preglow | i can mount it manually alright, pumount is the thing that doesn't work |
22:20:44 | preglow | and i like not having to mount manually when developing |
22:20:51 | preglow | i plug and unplug _a lot_ |
22:20:58 | Mikachu | what's pumount? |
22:21:10 | preglow | wrapper for allowing any user to mount |
22:21:23 | Mikachu | ah |
22:25:18 | linuxstb_ | I just put an entry in /etc/fstab with the user option. I then use a three line script which mounts, unzips rockbox.zip and umounts. |
22:25:25 | markun | I just read a nice story about hacking the TomTom Go. When they discovered it was using linux they asked for the source but got no reply. |
22:25:58 | markun | Then the got the sale forbidden in Germany and TomTom promptly supplied them with all the GPL code and required info :) |
22:26:01 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: i use hotplug scripts to mount it and chmod the devices to me |
22:27:07 | linuxstb_ | markun: You should tell Toshiba that story. |
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22:27:13 | markun | :) |
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22:28:58 | markun | linuxstb_: or kendwood, it's the same code anyway |
22:29:06 | markun | -d |
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22:29:48 | linuxstb_ | TomTom certainly seem to be complying now: http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl |
22:30:20 | petur | http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl |
22:30:21 | markun | What about rockbox with GPS? http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/mio-h610-gps-with-mp3-and-video-161002.php |
22:30:41 | petur | hahaha |
22:30:54 | markun | Also the TomToms use the S3C24x0 |
22:31:17 | linuxstb_ | A future player from the Chinese mp3/mp4 player company will have GPS... So it could happen. |
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22:32:06 | Mikachu | so you can lower the volume automatically when you enter the lecture hall? |
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22:32:43 | * | Mikachu patents idea |
22:32:44 | linuxstb_ | And wake yourself up when your train reaches its stop. |
22:33:07 | Mikachu | or make pitch depend on travelling speed |
22:33:10 | Mikachu | virtual doppler |
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22:34:36 | lostlogic | would it be possible with the H3x0 or H1x0 to realtime DSP a line-in source straight back to the lineout? |
22:34:41 | stripwax | ello |
22:34:54 | zigford | ello |
22:34:56 | lostlogic | ie to take a source that has some really irritating tone in it, and eq that tone to hell, and listen to it? |
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22:38:47 | dwihno | Is there some kind of pitch control on the swcodec ports btw? |
22:38:55 | lostlogic | ... yes... |
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22:39:59 | dwihno | any tips on how to do it on ipod? |
22:40:09 | Mikachu | i may or may not have made a very minor opt to tremor, should it wait until after the freeze? |
22:40:12 | preglow | sound settings |
22:40:19 | dwihno | ah |
22:40:21 | preglow | dwihno: keep select pressed while in spd |
22:40:23 | Mikachu | dwihno: you can find it in the wps context menu as well |
22:40:23 | preglow | wps <- |
22:40:26 | preglow | and you should find it |
22:40:38 | dwihno | preglow: spd? |
22:40:52 | preglow | dwihno: read my correction |
22:40:53 | Kohlrabi | what kind of opt? quality or speed? |
22:40:58 | Mikachu | speed |
22:41:00 | dwihno | ah |
22:41:06 | Mikachu | it said in a comment "make this a switch statement", so i did |
22:41:09 | dwihno | mkay |
22:42:25 | lostlogic | Mikachu: does it help in some noticeable way? |
22:42:37 | Mikachu | i don't know |
22:43:03 | preglow | dwihno: speed by far, it's just a linear interpolating resampler |
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22:44:02 | Mikachu | Kohlrabi, lostlogic: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-tremor_switch.patch |
22:44:26 | Mikachu | hang on, i'll put the original code at the top too |
22:44:38 | Mikachu | there |
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22:45:33 | Mikachu | i don't know if it's faster or slower, but at least it works :) |
22:46:24 | lostlogic | should be faster. |
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22:46:43 | klrspz | switching doesn't short circuit |
22:46:44 | lostlogic | hmm... maybe... |
22:46:52 | klrspz | if statements in c do |
22:46:53 | lostlogic | yeah, nvm, should be the same |
22:47:13 | Mikachu | klrspz: what short circuit would that be? |
22:47:13 | Kohlrabi | um |
22:47:20 | lostlogic | Mikachu: missing some breaks |
22:47:22 | Kohlrabi | I never read the source before :D |
22:47:26 | Mikachu | lostlogic: it's on purpose |
22:47:30 | Kohlrabi | I was just interested :) |
22:47:34 | Mikachu | lostlogic: note the lack of "else" in the original bit |
22:47:38 | lostlogic | Mikachu: ah |
22:47:39 | lostlogic | right |
22:47:40 | klrspz | Mikachu, ie: a switch tests each case, an ifstatement would stop after the first if it doesn't match |
22:47:52 | lostlogic | it is faster actually. |
22:47:54 | Mikachu | again, there is no "else" |
22:48:08 | klrspz | dioesn't matter about else's |
22:48:15 | klrspz | that's not short circuiting |
22:48:26 | klrspz | if (a && b).. if a is false, then it doesn't even test b |
22:48:41 | Mikachu | so you are talking about b->headbit? |
22:48:47 | lostlogic | klrspz: a switch should only test cases until it finds the matching one |
22:48:51 | Mikachu | that's only checked if we jumped to default: |
22:48:55 | Mikachu | and same for the if statement |
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22:49:03 | klrspz | if (a) { if (b) { if (c) { if (d) } } } , if b is false, c,d don't test |
22:49:08 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I would compile both with -save-temps -fverbose-asm and compare |
22:49:37 | Mikachu | don't switches use jump tables or something? |
22:49:38 | klrspz | lostlogic, by my understanding a switch is not a test |
22:49:43 | klrspz | not in the logical format |
22:49:58 | klrspz | you can satisfy multiple switches in one test |
22:50:17 | lostlogic | klrspz: huh? it's gotta have a conditional in it one way or another |
22:50:19 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i'm not sure that would tell me anything heh |
22:50:23 | klrspz | and even have conditionals in a switch case |
22:50:26 | lostlogic | klrspz: and there must be some sequence to the conditionals. |
22:50:39 | klrspz | by there is, linear |
22:50:49 | lostlogic | right, so it can't test them all in all cases |
22:50:50 | Mikachu | case X: <- X has to be a compile time constant i think? |
22:50:56 | lostlogic | that would be assinine |
22:51:00 | lostlogic | and involve a jump table from hell |
22:51:04 | lostlogic | Mikachu: yes |
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22:51:31 | lostlogic | the question is: is it more likely for bits to be small or large |
22:51:38 | lostlogic | if bits is small then the original code is faster |
22:51:51 | klrspz | lostlogic, yes you can |
22:51:56 | lostlogic | if it is large then the new code is faster, but if it's most likely to fall between 8 and 32 |
22:52:10 | mirak | hi |
22:52:27 | lostlogic | klrspz: no, it can't, not without a jump table from hell, and if that's how C compiles switches, then I'm never writing a C program again. |
22:52:30 | lostlogic | (ie it doesn't). |
22:52:36 | klrspz | switch (age) { case (age > 10): //stuff here ^n break; case (age > 20)// etc } will test both |
22:52:51 | lostlogic | klrspz: that's not a switch. |
22:53:00 | klrspz | if (age > 10 && age > 20), if age is < 10, it won't test for 20 |
22:53:02 | klrspz | yes it is |
22:53:05 | klrspz | it's completely valid |
22:53:19 | lostlogic | switch (age) case 10: break; case 20 break; will test 10, then if 10 does't match, it will test 10 |
22:53:24 | lostlogic | a switch finds the first match, and uses it |
22:53:30 | lostlogic | which is why switches forbid duplicate values. |
22:53:34 | klrspz | only because you are breaking, but that's not short circuiting |
22:53:40 | lostlogic | s/10$/20/ |
22:53:46 | lostlogic | klrspz: you are wrong. |
22:53:52 | lostlogic | klrspz: if you don't breka it just falls through into the next case |
22:53:53 | lostlogic | it doesn't est it |
22:53:56 | lostlogic | test |
22:54:00 | preglow | deed |
22:54:07 | klrspz | no matter what? |
22:54:12 | preglow | no matter what |
22:54:13 | lostlogic | klrspz: correct. |
22:54:19 | lostlogic | once it matches one, it is _done_ |
22:54:19 | klrspz | k |
22:54:35 | Mikachu | lostlogic: do i want to look at .i or .s? |
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22:54:49 | lostlogic | Mikachu: .s is the assembly |
22:55:00 | lostlogic | Mikachu: want to send me a diff of the assemblies? |
22:56:24 | Mikachu | do you want -u? |
22:57:05 | lostlogic | Mikachu: plz |
22:57:33 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/bitwise.diff |
22:57:48 | Mikachu | it looks like some random numbers changed throughout the file |
22:58:00 | Mikachu | i only changed my ifdef and reran gcc though |
22:58:20 | amiconn | C usually compiles swicth() statements to jumptables (as long as the values are reasonably close together) |
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22:58:34 | Mikachu | 1 2 and 3 are pretty close |
22:58:40 | amiconn | No check involved, just some maths for a calculated jump |
22:58:42 | Mikachu | but i don't know what it does if i put default: first |
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22:58:53 | amiconn | Nothing special |
22:58:54 | preglow | combines a conditional and a jump table |
22:58:59 | Mikachu | ah |
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22:59:21 | amiconn | default: is usually handled as a conditional (out-of-jumptable-range) and therefore must be handled first |
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23:00:15 | lostlogic | to my reading, the switch will be faster. |
23:00:23 | lostlogic | but it still depends on the typical case |
23:00:52 | lostlogic | if the typical case is bits > 32 then it doesn't matter, if the typical case is anything smaller then it's faster. |
23:00:56 | preglow | amiconn: you know how m68k-gcc jump tables look like? i'd guess like the one i use |
23:01:04 | Mikachu | ah, so it should never be slower then? |
23:01:10 | lostlogic | Mikachu: not afaics |
23:02:06 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, didn't check yet what m68k-elf-gcc produces. I know very well how sh jump tables look like... |
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23:05:44 | lostlogic | Mikachu: there's some chance due to the limitations of some instructions that it could be slower on coldfire, requiring another register load to constant, but I'm not positive about that, would hafta look at the asm. |
23:06:16 | Mikachu | heh.. |
23:06:59 | fraggsta | there are players using 680x0s?! |
23:07:41 | Bagder | fraggsta: almost at least |
23:08:01 | Bagder | coldfire is m68k based |
23:08:06 | fraggsta | wow |
23:08:22 | fraggsta | the last time I heard anything about them they were still in a few desktop machines, heh |
23:09:21 | preglow | amiga? |
23:09:27 | amiconn | lostlogic: coldfire does indexed addressing. I think jumptables are faster on coldfire than they are on sh1 |
23:09:28 | preglow | coldfire is a stripped down m68k |
23:09:31 | fraggsta | yes, and Archimedes and Atari ST ;) |
23:09:44 | preglow | lostlogic: indexed addressing also only costs you one cycle extra |
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23:12:19 | fraggsta | it seems like embedded devices are where failed CPU architectures go to die, these days :( |
23:12:30 | preglow | failed? |
23:12:32 | Bagder | hardly |
23:12:37 | preglow | m68k was a success |
23:12:46 | Bagder | indeed |
23:12:48 | fraggsta | it was a failure in desktop machines, in the long run |
23:12:51 | Mikachu | embedded devices are where you can use new cpu architectures without caring about backward compatibility |
23:12:51 | preglow | i see it as a nice architecture still today |
23:12:54 | preglow | i can't say that for x86 |
23:13:13 | Mikachu | it's hard to find anything good about x86 |
23:13:21 | fraggsta | do you mean "nice", as opposed to "not as hideously convoluted and complex as x86"? |
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23:14:10 | fraggsta | I mean, m68k assembler is fairly simple, but nice? Maybe I just wasn't meant to write assembler.. |
23:14:51 | mooch | can i update my rockbox installation on the ipod without loosing anything? |
23:18:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | mooch: Sometimes an update resets your settings, if it's necessary to. If you've saved them as a .cfg file, you should be able to copy a new .zip over and extract without losing anything. |
23:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, you may need to back up a customized tagnavi.config if you've changed it |
23:18:48 | Mikachu | what is that file? |
23:18:54 | lostlogic | preglow/amiconn: I was remembering looking at that section of code when I was poking at vorbis many moons ago, and I think that stupid gcc for m68k will end up loading each constant into a register twice with a switch, and once with the ifs... |
23:20:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: tagnavi.config is the file you can customize to modify the layout of the ID3 browser, and define custom quick-searches and such |
23:21:24 | Mikachu | ah okay |
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23:24:38 | preglow | lostlogic: barghgh |
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23:49:12 | captbunzo | hmmnn... Seems that rockbox locks up whenever I attempt to play an audio file. |
23:49:39 | lostlogic | that's a feature, not a bug. keeps people from damaging their hearing |
23:49:41 | lostlogic | ;-D |
23:49:43 | lostlogic | what platform? |
23:49:47 | scott666 | Have you tried pushing the buttons /harder/ |
23:49:51 | captbunzo | ipod |
23:49:59 | lostlogic | which ipod? |
23:50:06 | captbunzo | Ipod 4G B/W |
23:50:13 | scott666 | what kind of files? |
23:50:16 | captbunzo | hmmnn. Harder. Let me get a hammer... :) |
23:50:49 | lostlogic | hmm... go to the debug menu and find cpu frequency, in that screen scroll up once to set the boost count above one, see if that freezes it. |
23:51:00 | lostlogic | if not, exit that screen with menu, and then try to play audio |
23:51:34 | lostlogic | also, what biuld are you running? |
23:51:57 | captbunzo | that does lock it up. |
23:52:11 | captbunzo | the cpu screen. |
23:52:18 | humulus | is to possible to have a dual boot, convential firmware / rockbox? |
23:52:19 | captbunzo | except it froze before I boosted anything. |
23:52:29 | lostlogic | wtf. |
23:52:30 | lostlogic | humulus: yes |
23:52:36 | captbunzo | humulus: yes - that is the default. |
23:52:42 | lostlogic | captbunzo: just going to the screen locked it up!? |
23:52:42 | XavierGr | lostlogic: did you had a chance to listen to my mail? |
23:52:45 | lostlogic | captbunzo: wtf. |
23:52:50 | lostlogic | XavierGr: nope, I still suck. |
23:53:06 | XavierGr | hehe |
23:53:14 | humulus | cool i even wanted to check the rockbox code, contribute, but so much other shitt to do :( |
23:53:16 | XavierGr | Well you won't if you fix it! :P |
23:53:33 | lostlogic | XavierGr: hehe, big if... |
23:53:44 | lostlogic | XavierGr: you'are H3x0? |
23:53:45 | XavierGr | (kidding) |
23:53:59 | XavierGr | H340 and H10s |
23:54:05 | lostlogic | *nod* |
23:54:06 | XavierGr | H100s |
23:54:08 | XavierGr | no H10s |
23:54:38 | captbunzo | lostlogic: I am using the current daily build. |
23:54:42 | captbunzo | 20060504 |
23:54:43 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: For a moment I thought you bought a new player and actually ported rockbox on it! :-P |
23:54:48 | lostlogic | XavierGr: might be some kind of mute/unmute delay issue with the coldfire based players' audio chips as compared to the wolfson ones |
23:54:50 | captbunzo | should I switch to the "old" option? |
23:54:55 | lostlogic | captbunzo: no |
23:54:59 | captbunzo | k |
23:55:00 | XavierGr | I am sure is something with audio playback because there was a time that Slasheri had stumped on those annoying 'pops' |
23:55:09 | humulus | anybody with with an X5 here? |
23:55:19 | humulus | iaudio? |
23:55:45 | lostlogic | XavierGr: yeah −− I probably just didn't handle said mutting correctly for manual track changes involving a flush, or something. |
23:55:58 | petur | ah humulus: x5 doesn't dual-boot yet but there's a patch for it I think |
23:55:59 | XavierGr | lostlogic: if you have something in mind I am more than willing to test. Those clicks are not so good for a firmware as good as rockbox. |
23:56:04 | Bagder | humulus: yes |
23:56:25 | Bagder | and yes, dual-boot on my x5 gives me this lovely... *blackness* |
23:56:43 | XavierGr | I remember when I made a person look and listen at rockbox and then he told me: "But it 'clicks' on track change. :( |
23:56:58 | humulus | Bagder: what are the video codecs the iaudio firmware supports? |
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23:57:09 | Bagder | no idea |
23:57:14 | Bagder | I don't use OF |
23:57:30 | petur | that's the spirit ;) |
23:57:32 | humulus | OF ? |
23:57:37 | Bagder | I did once, I got all confused |
23:57:43 | Bagder | OF = original firmware |
23:58:26 | humulus | the limitation to filename's length with the OF sucks ;( |
23:58:37 | Bagder | I don't care ;-) |
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23:58:53 | humulus | Bagder: is it better with rockbox? |
23:58:55 | Bagder | I got my x5 purely for Rockbox |
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