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#rockbox log for 2006-05-06

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00:13:45hlj<hlj> yo
00:13:45hlj<hlj> i need some help
00:13:45hlj<hlj> i installed ipodlinux on my ipod last night
00:13:45DBUGEnqueued KICK hlj
00:13:45hlj<hlj> but i cant goto apple os
00:13:45hlj<hlj> all the other stuff works tho
00:13:46***Alert Mode level 1
00:13:46hlj<hlj> when i goto apple os it asked me for a language
00:13:48hlj<hlj> but it freezes
00:13:50hlj<hlj> cuz i cant select or scroll through them
00:13:52hlj<hlj> i have a black ipod nano 4gb
00:13:54hlj<hlj> any suggestions?
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00:16:20speacial_edmaybe not as helpful as id hoped :(
00:16:49hljscriptx u know much about ipods?
00:16:51Bagderthis is #rockbox
00:16:58linuxstb_The only advice I can give is to run the Apple Restorer and then install Rockbox.
00:17:11Bagderhlj: try #ipodlinux for ipodlinux issues
00:17:21scriptxSomeone told him to come here
00:17:27scriptxhlj: try asking people in the rockbox irc they are usually very helpful
00:17:33scriptxFrom #ipodlinux
00:17:38speacial_edBadger: have you been to the iPL IRC? noone there talks
00:17:47scriptxANd it's mostly for devs
00:17:53Bagderso then we should speak about everything in #rockbox ?
00:18:01speacial_edWell if people here help yes
00:18:04scriptxRockbox supports iPod
00:18:05speacial_edIf you dont want to then dont
00:18:08hljwats the difference between ipod linux and rockbox?
00:18:08BagderI beg to differ
00:18:08scriptxSo why not talk about iPod
00:18:12amiconnI can only say that ipl worked for me exactly once. After trying to reboot it never started again. Got rid of it, and adapted rockbox
00:18:23linuxstb_hlj: Almost everything.
00:18:53hljwhich one has more features?
00:18:54Bagderscriptx: I said ipodlinux. We don't use it, we don't develop it so it makes no sense to do support for it here
00:19:31speacial_edBut if you do you can get alot of people who cant get iPL to work to switch ;)
00:19:48Bagderno, we do that by telling them how to use rockbox
00:20:15Moosamen :)
00:20:28BagderI don't mind talking a little ipodlinux, but coming here exclusively for ipodlinux help is plain wrong
00:20:31hljwhich has more features rockbox or ipodlinux?
00:20:44Bagderhlj: try them for yourself and see
00:20:53hljwhy cant u just tell me
00:21:00hljthen i dont need to try both
00:21:01Bagderwell this is #rockbox
00:21:09BagderI bet you'll get a pro-Rockbox angle
00:21:10goffahlj: for music id suggest Rockbox
00:21:24goffabut given that we are in #rockbox we are slanted towards it
00:21:27speacial_edhlj: Its great for everything though
00:21:29linuxstb_hlj: There are no ipodlinux experts here, so we don't know all the features.
00:21:50linuxstb_Hence we can't answer your question.
00:21:50speacial_edhlj: I have iPL and Rockbox and use rockbox most, and rarely if ever use retail os
00:21:58hljwell u dont need to be an expert just ur opinion is fine for me
00:22:08hljim looking to play music and movies and games
00:22:18hljload a snes emulator
00:22:34goffawell... rockbox has no video support atm
00:22:39goffanor snes emulation
00:22:40linuxstb_Rockbox is better for music, and has some games. IPL has some other games, and video support.
00:22:42goffahas gameboy though
00:22:57speacial_edBut it doesnt work well...
00:23:23goffayeah... i haven't tried the gameboy thing (on an x5 doubt its possible atm)
00:23:25hljcan i run a snes/n6r emu on ipl?
00:23:37goffano idea
00:23:47***Alert Mode OFF
00:23:50linuxstb_I think someone has ported one, but from what I've read it's too slow to be usable.
00:24:30goffayeah... snes would be tough on an ipod anyway from a useability standpoint (too many buttons, etc).. that'd be my guess anyway
00:24:37goffamaybe i'm on crack
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00:24:48linuxstb_The forums at are probably the best way to find out about all the applications which have been ported.
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00:25:05scriptxipl forums suck
00:25:42goffai do have one ipl question... is it ipod specific? or have they ported to other devices
00:25:54scriptxiPod specific
00:25:54Bagdergoffa: ipods only
00:26:16goffathought so.. just wasn't sure
00:26:25Bagderscriptx: but then in the forums they tend to say the same thing about our community
00:26:25goffaso i guess that rules me out anyway
00:26:28goffanot that i'd switch
00:26:36goffaoverall i'm happy with rb
00:26:56goffaand i don't mean the beef sandwitch store :)
00:26:59scriptxSay what? That Rockbox forums sucks?
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00:27:20Bagdernot exactly with those words, but with that spirit
00:27:46Bagderpeople like to point fingers at other camps
00:28:00Bagder"we are the cool ones" "they suck"
00:28:04scriptxIt's true
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00:28:07scriptxI've got like
00:28:10scriptx5 threads
00:28:12scriptxall unanswered
00:28:42MoosBagder: Psycholgie thing (TM) ;-)
00:28:58Bagderoh indeed
00:29:02Moosit's classical
00:29:03Bagdervery common human thing
00:29:15scriptxMost of the people join just to post a few questions that have been answered 500 times
00:29:41MoosBagder: about Human identity thing, and groups relations ship
00:29:49hlj#ipodlinux is fuckin gay
00:29:53hljnobody talks
00:29:56hljits a dead channel
00:29:59hljsome help
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00:30:08Bagdernow why is silent gay?
00:30:18hljnobody responds
00:30:45scriptxIt's geared more towards developers, hlj.
00:30:51scriptxNot for
00:30:53goffaipodlinux refuses to come out
00:30:54scriptxI NEED HEP!
00:30:57scriptxI FUXED MY IOPOD
00:31:00scriptxNEED HELP]'
00:31:10scriptxThat's what the forums are fore
00:31:27goffathat sounds like what aol is for
00:31:51Moosphew, here isn't like this ;P
00:32:03hljif i update my ipod firmware then will i still be able to load ipl or rockbox?
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00:32:33linuxstb_You will have to reinstall a bootloader.
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00:52:51amiconnlinuxstb: What do you think, do we want the hack for getting rid of -ffunction-sections? Boost-wise it makes no difference, but all binaries get smaller...
00:54:25linuxstb_I think getting rid of -ffunction-sections will mean lostlogic's profiler parser will work on ARM. So that's another point in favour.
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00:57:48amiconnlinuxstb: It means making 6 functions in ata.c non-static (can be done for arm only, with a macro)
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01:00:30amiconn(or alternatively move these functions out of iram)
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01:06:21amiconn#define gcc_goof_more -O2
01:07:43linuxstb_So I assume that that change means that gcc is performing less long calls?
01:09:36amiconnIt still doesn't link with -O2 though. Then it stumbles in thread.c, upon a function which isn't static
01:10:47linuxstb_But the function is declared with ICODE_ATTR?
01:11:59amiconnI think this is the sibling call thing Mikachu figured out. Trying... works
01:14:37amiconn...and -O2 makes the binary smaller than just -O
01:17:32linuxstb_Cool. Do you have any ideas about getting rid of the -mlong-calls completely?.
01:17:48amiconnmini2g rockbox.ipod: ~338K with cvs, ~327K without function sections, and ~322K with -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls and without function sections
01:18:15amiconnWe can't
01:18:48amiconnWe can just minimise the number of long calls by making all functions static that should be static
01:20:28amiconnThe gcc long-call logic is far from optimal. Setting a function attribute to long_call causes all calls to this function to be long calls
01:21:18amiconnThe correct way would be to make inter-section calls long calls, and keep in-section calls short
01:23:38amiconnUgh, the -O2 build causes a hard crash...
01:23:58linuxstb_Ugh indeed.
01:24:26amiconnStkov main when trying to play music, and ugly noises from the output...
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01:25:17ericmoritz\0hi, I'm trying to create a backdrop, is there any special settings for the bmp
01:25:29linuxstb_24-bit and the exact size of your LCD.
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01:26:41ericmoritz\0hmm, that's what I have I think
01:26:46mikearthurlinuxstb: is rockbox being sued?
01:26:47ga_millercan rockbox play video on my ipod photo?
01:27:03linuxstb_mikearthur: No.
01:27:07linuxstb_ga_miller: No.
01:27:27ga_millerIt's not possible?
01:27:31mikearthurlinuxstb: I heard that from some guy who works from Wolfson Microelectronics today, about some ROM you've included as a plugin or something
01:28:05linuxstb_Is that the MAS code for PCM playback?
01:29:38linuxstb_ga_miller: Some kind of video is possible, yes. But no-one is working on it.
01:31:02mikearthurlinuxstb: so thats complete bull then?
01:31:16linuxstb_You would have to be more specific.
01:31:29linuxstb_But to my knowledge Rockbox doesn't have any code it shouldn't.
01:31:47mikearthurhe wasn't much more specific
01:31:56mikearthurjust that is was a game plugin, and he heard you were getting sued
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01:32:08mikearthurhowever, its perfectly possible he could have it confused with iPodLinux or something
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01:32:30Moosmaybe they spoken abou jewels?
01:32:36Moosabout even
01:32:37linuxstb_That's possible the Jewels plugin. We had an exchange of emails about that with the company behind Bejewelled.
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01:32:45*amiconn was just about to ask that
01:33:08Moosare we have some news?
01:33:10mikearthurthat could well be what he was talking about
01:33:22mikearthurapologies, I just wanted to get it from the horses mouse, so to speak
01:33:25linuxstb_The graphics in Jewels look similar to the graphics in Bejewelled.
01:33:40Moosbut not the same ;)
01:33:49mikearthuris the iPod AC97 chip working alright for you?
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01:34:03Mooswe don't have to change anything if we want imho
01:35:44linuxstb_mikearthur: "AC97" ?
01:36:10Moosand what's about ATA&T btw? (more serious)
01:36:17mikearthursorry, the iPod codec chip
01:36:21mikearthurits been a long day
01:36:47linuxstb_Yep, no problems. I'm planning on starting to add recording support.
01:37:09mikearthurjust because the guy who writes the drivers for the chip is a big OSS head
01:37:15mikearthurif you wanted to talk to him
01:39:14linuxstb_I don't have any specific questions - the datasheets are clear enough. But I would be happy to hear any comments he has on our code.
01:39:42mikearthurok cool
01:39:57mikearthurI talk to him about it if I get the job :D
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01:46:35Mikachulinuxstb_: did you see the thing earlier?
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01:50:23linuxstb_Mikachu: Yes. I've no idea if boosting and unboosting 30 times a second is a good idea though...
01:50:39Mikachulinuxstb_: yeah that was sort of my question
01:50:57amiconnIt's probably not.
01:50:58Mikachualso it won't unboost if it's behind
01:51:20amiconnEach boost and unboost looses a few milliseconds due to the pll relock
01:51:39amiconnMikachu: Btw, why would you want that?
01:52:01Mikachuthe idea would be to save a little power
01:52:49Mikachuwhen limiting the framerate in pacbox
01:53:05*amiconn never tried pacbox
01:53:14Mikachui've never got past level 4
01:53:18amiconnLack of rom, and lack of interest
01:53:28linuxstb_I'm hoping to add sound to pacbox at some point, so that will probably use up those spare cycles.
01:53:44Mikachui did make the unboost unconditional at first by accident
01:53:48Mikachuthen i only got 25 fps
01:53:58Mikachuso it doesn't unboost every frame
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01:54:15linuxstb_What framerate do you get if you remove that loop completely?
01:54:28Mikachui'll chcek
01:56:38Mikachuhrm, i got 30.3 heh
01:56:44Mikachubut i know i've gotten higher before
01:57:13Mikachumaybe i commented out a line too many
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01:58:37Mikachunope, still 30.3
01:58:45Mikachui guess in that case there's not much point
02:00:09linuxstb_Nope. But there is a lot of room for optimisation - the screen rendering function needs to be rewritten in assembler. I've only done that for the 5g, and someone else did a H300 version.
02:00:37Mikachuhm, when i set FPS to 20, i get 24
02:01:32Mikachuhow does that happen?
02:03:18Mikachuhm yeah, you still do the full emulation for every pacman frame so lowering the displayed framerate doesn't change as much as you think
02:03:20linuxstb_I guess that means that not displaying 10 frames means the CPU can be emulated 20% faster.
02:04:08linuxstb_Yes, the framerate just means how many of Pacman's 60fps are displayed each second. So it's just the LCD rendering code that's skipped.
02:04:22Mikachucouldn't you skip the hardware blitting code too?
02:04:25Mikachuthat wouldn't affect game state
02:04:31Mikachui mean the emulated hardware
02:04:41Mikachuor maybe you do
02:05:22linuxstb_There isn't any. The only emulated hardware is the CPU, RAM and I/O ports (for the buttons and coin slots)
02:06:08Mikachufor some reason i thought renderBackground/Sprites was done every frame, and only blit_display skipped, but that would be stupid
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02:45:40*dongs is on level 38 in bubbles.
02:46:58Mikachui think i'm on 24 or so
02:47:30Mikachubut i've finished brickmania
02:48:05dongsah. controls are too sluggish in that.
02:48:08yobesoomsounds like you guys are having as productive a workday as I am
02:48:14Mikachui changed them :)
02:48:23dongsto what
02:48:30Mikachuabsolute mapping between the wheel and the playfield
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02:48:58dongsso you can insta-jump to a place?
02:49:12dongswehre's the patch :D
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02:49:22Mikachubut it's sort of impossible to go to the exact right place without sliding there
02:49:34Mikachuat least on the nano wheel
02:49:37Mikachudongs: on the tracker
02:53:36dongsso it is
02:53:48dongsis the link at the top updated or should I use the 'v4' from bottom of the page?
02:53:59Mikachuyou would want the latest one
02:54:06Mikachuand the one for brickmania
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02:54:28Mikachuheh, that was maybe not so helpful, the one at the bottom is the latest
02:54:59dongsso, i need both? the wheel-absolute patch and brickmania patch?
02:56:39dongslol so failed
02:57:04dongstoo lazy to see why
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03:09:55ericmoritz\0Mikachu, where are you/
03:09:59Mikachui'm here
03:10:03Mikachudongs: which of them failed?
03:10:10ericmoritz\0no, where in the world are you
03:10:52Mikachumaybe we could make a carmen san diego type game of this
03:11:36Mikachuyou could also /whois me
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03:17:25ericmoritz\0heh, I made a wps for my wife's nano:
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03:20:31dongsMikachu: the brick patch failed, it doesnt look that hard to fix but im to lazy.
03:20:36dongswheel patch succeeded with some offsets.
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03:32:18dongslol @ colors
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03:47:51ericmoritz\0there we go:
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04:11:20eLMafUDdcould anybody help me...?
04:11:28eLMafUDdi cant install rockbox on my ipod video
04:11:44eLMafUDdi did everthing the guide says, and when i reboot it... it just comes up with the apple firmware
04:11:50Paul_The_NerdThen you didn't do everything right.
04:11:59Paul_The_NerdDoes it show the Rockbox bootloader, or straight into apple?
04:12:05eLMafUDdi have the files .rockbox and rockbox.ipod
04:12:12eLMafUDdstraight into apple
04:12:12Paul_The_NerdI didn't ask about those.
04:12:26eLMafUDdi know
04:12:36Paul_The_NerdYou screwed up either one of the ipod_fw steps, or the last ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin step
04:12:52eLMafUDdok ill retry the tut
04:12:55Paul_The_NerdI'd suggest starting over that process, and making absolutely sure you get them right.
04:13:52Paul_The_NerdOdds are you just didn't do the -w to write back the rockboot.bin, but it's a bit unpredictable
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04:25:03dongsyou are now bricking: your $400 ipo
04:27:34Mikachuyou can't brick them without actively trying
04:27:50sharpehitting it with a brick seems to work efficiently.
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04:33:14BHSPitLappywhere's that theme gallery at?
04:33:40Paul_The_NerdIn the wiki, where it's always been?
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04:36:40eLMafUDdman, extracting the rockbox files takes a while
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04:56:52BigMike04i have ipl installed on my ipod
04:56:59BigMike04and i heard that rockbox is way better
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04:57:09BigMike04now, can someone show me some screenshots?
04:57:33BigMike04and also tell me why rockbox is better than linuix?
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04:59:58BigMike04i have 4g colour 20gb
05:00:03BigMike04will rockbox work on that?
05:00:38BigMike04nvm it will
05:00:44BigMike04im on the site checkin out everything
05:02:29Paul_The_NerdRockbox isn't better than Linux.
05:02:56Paul_The_NerdI mean, all we can do is playback music gaplessly with an available full parametric equalizer, crossfade, crossfeed, and replaygain.
05:03:23BigMike04ic ic
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05:08:47scottderOk i updated o CVS this morning...hearing clicking sound when i change volume on my nano now
05:10:27Paul_The_NerdFaint, easiest to hear when playback is paused and the volume is high?
05:10:54scottderI don't hear it when paused
05:11:14scottderbut more noticable at high volumes....
05:11:21scottderand not dependant of format
05:11:45Paul_The_NerdIt shouldn't be. I've heard it in the retail OS myself
05:12:23scottderdrat I don't have any music on the Apple OS side.
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05:14:23Paul_The_NerdI don't *think* it's Rockbox-specific is all. It may still be fixable
05:16:23scottderJust cropped up tonight...I'll tinker more tomorrow
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05:23:44Mikachuwhat happen?
05:24:30sharpeactually, nothing. in fact, things have been worse than they were.
05:25:35sharpei have to write at least a four page paper by monday, and i have to work out a presentation by tuesday, which probably won't be presented for a week or so.
05:28:22dj-fulol, join the club
05:28:30dj-fui have a security paper on windoze 2k3 to write for monday
05:28:35dj-fuhaven't even started
05:28:44dj-fuand it's going to be hard to lie through the whole thing and pretend it's actually secure
05:29:00scottderSeucrity and Windoze 2k3....*giggle*
05:30:27dj-fulol :\
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05:33:08BHSPitLappy"[BHSPitLappy] where's that theme gallery at? [Paul_The_Nerd] In the wiki, where it's always been?"
05:33:12sharpei'm also becoming more and more sick...
05:33:15BHSPitLappysorry, I meant the one that was linked in here earlier.
05:33:20BHSPitLappyit's off-site
05:36:21sharpei don't want to sleep...
05:36:42BHSPitLappyfound it...
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05:52:26*Paul_The_Nerd wonders how you "Increase Stereo"
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05:53:30scottdergrow more ears? :)
05:53:40Mikachustereo width > 100%?
05:53:53Paul_The_NerdNo, he seems to be pretty sure he means *more* stereo somehow
05:56:22Paul_The_NerdAnd to "improve sound"
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05:57:29Mikachui'm sure there are some tricks that work more or less well depending on the music
05:57:57Paul_The_NerdWell yeah. Like crossfeed.
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05:58:27Paul_The_NerdBut saying that "Rockbox should offer sound improvement" is a kinda vague feature request. ;-)
05:58:34Mikachuah, heh indeed
05:58:37BHSPitLappyas in
05:59:03BHSPitLappyit catches you listening to "My Humps" and it switches to Beethoven for you
05:59:16Paul_The_NerdSee, now *that* is a plugin I could get behind.
05:59:54Mikachui think i might have heard a part of that song once
05:59:57Mikachuis it really annoying?
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06:09:37Paul_The_NerdOkay, what is it that we have if it's not "Bass boosting?"
06:10:02Paul_The_NerdIs there a difference between "boosting" and simply "increasing"?
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06:15:59firecat53Hey...anyone here able to help out with an ipod mini 1G install? It's freezing randomly and often w/ today's build.
06:17:14BHSPitLappyCircuitry that boosts the bass response of the amplifier, improving audio reproduction, especially when using inexpensive headphones."
06:17:55Mikachuthe definition of bass boosting being bass boosting doesn't help a lot
06:18:18BHSPitLappySynonyms * Low Frequency Gain Boost
06:18:29BHSPitLappythink that's pretty blunt
06:20:26Paul_The_Nerdfirecat53: If you've gotten it to the point where it's running but freezing every now and then, it's just bugs. AAC/MP4 files?
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06:27:09TEFL0NI think I am about the ten-millionth person to query, but... how does one go about applying a patch?
06:27:29dj-fupatch -pX < file.patch
06:27:38dj-fudepending on where you are in the to-be-patched file structure
06:28:59TEFL0NTried it... I get no result...
06:29:39Paul_The_Nerd"error messages" are not the same as "no result."
06:30:08TEFL0NI do not even get an error message.
06:30:17Paul_The_NerdSo it says nothing at all?
06:30:51TEFL0NYeah... I am going about this all wrong...
06:31:17Paul_The_NerdYou type patch -p0 < blah.patch at the prompt, and it says *nothing*?
06:31:23Paul_The_NerdNothing happens at all?
06:31:32TEFL0NIn the CMD, right?
06:32:35TEFL0NI'm on Rockbox's twiki under SimpleGuideToCompiling#Adding_Patches
06:32:40Paul_The_NerdPatching requires compiling. Compiling requires setting up one of the various development environments (cygwin, VMware). You need to run patch from in one of those
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06:33:21TEFL0NOh OK... it's still in progress of downloading.
06:33:23firecat53Paul_the_Nerd: I wouldn't call it works....rarely. Takes multiple reboots to get past the logo screen. Won't play more than a minute of any songs (mp3 & ogg).
06:33:23Paul_The_NerdSee, the interesting thing about the SimpleGuideToCompiling is that it tells you things in generally the order you should do them.
06:33:52Mikachuare 1G minis supported?
06:34:01Paul_The_NerdThey were supposed to be
06:35:43firecat53There's a build specifically for the 1G minis.....
06:37:53Paul_The_NerdBecause it's supposed to be supported
06:38:04Mikachui was jsut not sure
06:38:26Paul_The_NerdBut the 1G Mini build is our youngest, and most likely buggy still.
06:38:38Paul_The_NerdYou could help out by figuring out how to track down some causes, maybe.
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06:39:50firecat53I'm willing to try....can't say I'm a programmer, but I can follow directions.....
06:40:15Paul_The_NerdWell, this isn't really a follow directions thing. That's why there was that 'Figuring out how' part of it. ;-)
06:40:28Paul_The_NerdThough it's possible this is just part of the rash of iPod bugs that seems to be in CVS right now.
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06:42:07firecat53I think my 'figuring out' days are in the past for the most part........five children later........but I'll keep checking back!
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07:01:07sharpeg'night everyone.
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07:06:06hardeeplostlogic: around?
07:06:28lostlogichardeep: 12 seconds from hitting the hay, what's up?
07:07:01hardeeplostlogic: get some rest, it can wait till tomorrow =)
07:07:10lostlogichehe, ok, see ya in 7-9 hours :)
07:07:11Paul_The_NerdYou've made him curious now.
07:07:23Paul_The_NerdI'm betting he's back here in 20, 30 minutes.
07:07:33lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: and you'll hafta tell me about this rash you've developed (of ipod bugs) tomorrow too.
07:08:06Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Just lots of people seem to be reporting issues booting. It's not a playback issue as far as I can tell.
07:08:28*lostlogic doesn't upgrade
07:09:17Presenceipod 5g with 20060429 and its FLAWLESS with booting, usb speeds, playback, and off/on/resume.
07:09:42Paul_The_NerdPresence: Unfortunately 29-04-06 was a whopping 5 or 6 days ago. :-P
07:09:56Presencei gno. I'm too chickenbutt to update. :)
07:10:28Paul_The_NerdI just backup the previous build I had on there before using an uncertain one on my primaryu
07:10:39TEFL0NThis still is not working.
07:11:08Paul_The_NerdTEFL0N: That statement was surprisingly lacking in "What actually happens instead of working"
07:11:39TEFL0NI enter the code then it resets with no result.
07:12:16Paul_The_NerdWhat are you trying to do again? I thought you were patching.
07:12:45TEFL0NI am... I am trying to patch album_art_v4.03.patch
07:12:56Paul_The_NerdAnd which development environment are you using?
07:13:31Paul_The_NerdAnd cygwin's working right? You've done a test compile and that succeeded?
07:14:48Paul_The_NerdSo, when you run patch in cygwin, what resets?
07:15:01Paul_The_NerdAnd what "code" are you entering?
07:15:17TEFL0NNot reset, per se... I just get a new command line and nothing being patched.
07:15:39Paul_The_NerdAnd you're patching in cygwin?
07:16:39Paul_The_NerdWhat happens if you do patch −−help
07:17:42TEFL0NNo result. It will only repsond to help
07:18:24Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
07:19:02TEFL0NWhen I type patch −−help, it just reverts back to the command line.
07:19:14Paul_The_NerdThen what did you mean by "It will only respond to help"
07:19:46TEFL0NWell, when I type help, it gives a list of commands... sorta like the cmd prompt.
07:19:54Paul_The_NerdJust help alone?
07:20:05Paul_The_NerdI didn't say to do that.
07:20:24TEFL0NI know... but when I tried patch −−help, there was no response.
07:20:50Paul_The_NerdYes, and you shouldn't just told me that. If you keep telling me things that happen when you do other things, it just makes it all more confusing. Especially when I don't know you're doing the other things.
07:20:57Paul_The_NerdWhat color is the cygwin command prompt?
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07:21:39MikachuTEFL0N: what happens if you type which patch
07:21:56Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Bah, that's right where I was about to go. :-P
07:22:06Mikachu<- frag stealing
07:22:27Paul_The_NerdI'm betting it's patch.exe in C:\Windows\, or something like that. ;-)
07:23:10TEFL0NMikachu: /cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/patch
07:23:20Paul_The_NerdYeah, it's not using the right patch in cygwin then.
07:23:36MikachuTEFL0N: use /usr/bin/patch instead of patch
07:25:18MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: what does /windows/patch.exe do?
07:25:44Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I haven't a bloody clue. I didn't even know *I* had one until a few moments ago.
07:25:49Mikachuheh, okay
07:27:10Paul_The_NerdIt's from Trend Micro
07:27:36Paul_The_NerdAt least, mine is.
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07:31:02TEFL0NMikachu: Instead of which patch?
07:31:25Paul_The_NerdTEFL0N: He means type "/usr/bin/patch -p0 < blah.patch" instead of the other way
07:31:43Mikachuyay linux, now i have to reboot to access my ipod
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07:32:20TEFL0NOh, I tried that. bash: /usr/bin/patch: No such file or directory
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07:32:42Mikachumaybe you simply didn't install patch when you installed cygwin, in which case you failed to follow the instructions
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07:34:36Paul_The_NerdTEFL0N: Have windows do a Find Files on patch.exe
07:38:58jnccouldn't be sensible and just use a dang ubuntu box, no
07:39:03jncyou had to go and use windows
07:39:59Paul_The_NerdWell, I would've recommended VMWare
07:40:02Paul_The_NerdCygwin is a tricky beast.
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07:46:33Mikachucan't trust those redhat people
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07:58:34BHSPitLappyhow can I resolve the dilemma of having white-on-white text
07:58:46Paul_The_NerdBy not doing it?
07:58:56BHSPitLappytoo late.
07:59:04Paul_The_NerdThen reset your settings.
07:59:08Paul_The_NerdAm I missing something here?
07:59:11BHSPitLappythat would be the inquiry, yes
07:59:21Paul_The_NerdTurn off ipod
07:59:23Paul_The_NerdTurn on ipod
07:59:28Paul_The_NerdBefore bootloader finishes, flip hold switch
07:59:38Paul_The_NerdMake sure Hold is ON by the time Rockbox loads
08:04:05TEFL0NOK... I have retrieved the patch.exe file.
08:04:48Paul_The_NerdNobody said to retrieve any files...
08:05:06TEFL0NI know... I missed it during the download/install process though.
08:06:23Paul_The_NerdIt should work now then.
08:06:55TEFL0NTrue... I am just searching for the right version.
08:10:06TEFL0NI keep getting "rejected."
08:10:54Paul_The_NerdTry a different server?
08:11:34TEFL0NNo... the hunks keep failing.
08:13:17Paul_The_NerdAh, well you didn't say you were on to actually *patching* it now.
08:13:28Paul_The_NerdFailed hunks mean you have to do things by hand. The patch is out of date.
08:13:30TEFL0NYes, yes.... my mistake.
08:14:10Paul_The_NerdIt generates files showing you the rejected hunks, you can then compare those with the original file and edit it manually
08:15:22TEFL0NWhat must I use to edit?
08:15:57Paul_The_NerdAny text editor.
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08:19:25BHSPitLappyRedBreva: I recognize that name
08:19:59BHSPitLappyoh, I'm apparently on a site hosted by you
08:20:04BHSPitLappythat would be it
08:20:12RedBrevahehehe - Welcome
08:20:45RedBrevaI am just updating the Nano Themes ATM...
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09:27:12pokecapnhey i have a quick question: what version of id3v2 is supported in rockbox for the h1xx? I was using foobar 0.9 to retag my files since it's way faster than 0.8.3, only to find out that it bonered my date tags. Does rockbox only support 2.3 or has 2.4 been added sometime in the last month?
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09:32:54GaloisI see ID3_VER_2_4 in the source code, so I would expect 2.4
09:33:59Galoisbut I personally have not used anything other than 2.3, on the infinitesimally rare occasions that I use mp3 with rockbox
09:34:31pokecapnhmm ok
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10:19:42*amiconn really wonders what Linus' commit should fix
10:20:12midkaypossibly that one bug?
10:20:24amiconnImean, this exact issue was fixed by petur on 3 May
10:20:35midkayi think it actually worsened the problem..
10:20:44midkayaccording to some tracker item i read. probably that patch.
10:21:20amiconnThe only difference is that petur's fix doesn't clamp the value to zero but let it become negative in some cases
10:21:50amiconnThat doesn't hurt though, because lcd_fillrect() catches this anyway and returns immediately
10:21:54*midkay shrugs and points to the tracker number Linus provided
10:37:31*amiconn added these remarks to the tracker task
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12:35:28linuxstbamiconn: Am I right in thinking that the voice string (NULL -> -1) change you made in viewer.c should also be made in jpeg.c, doom/rockdoom.c and pacbox/pacbox.c ?
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12:40:52linuxstbamiconn: Just read your mailing list post - that's good to know that a patch existed before Apple's first patent application.
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13:04:12amiconnlinuxstb: Yes. The second value of struct opt_items is not a pointer, it's a voice clip id. These ids count from zero, -1 means no clip
13:05:18linuxstbWhat do you think about having a #define for "no clip", rather than just using -1 ? I think that would be more readable.
13:05:53amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, the patch for talkbox existed before that. Also, the *idea* of voicing menus was brought up then, check the talkbox ml thread from May 2003
13:06:59linuxstbSo the idea for voice clips for filenames came before voice clips for menu items?
13:07:50linuxstbAlso, do the scripts for generating voice clips for files use the tags?
13:08:02linuxstbOr is it just filenames?
13:08:56amiconnAnd at the same day, the idea of voiced menus
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13:09:45amiconnThe current scripts use the filename only. The original idea was recording the voice clips yourself, either on the pc or on target
13:11:38linuxstbYes, but reading that thread, the idea of server-side generation of clips use voice synthesis was mentioned after about 4 posts...
13:12:57linuxstbIn a way, it's probably good that Rockbox uses filenames - that means we are not doing the same as Apple's patent (which I think just uses tags).
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13:16:38LinusNamiconn: there?
13:17:22LinusNdid you read the comments in the bug report?
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13:18:59LinusNand you still wonder?
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13:20:04amiconnHmm, you didn't refer to this 2nd report...
13:21:13amiconn...but my comment concerning the negative value being ignored isn't correct either, as it's not passed verbatim
13:21:50amiconnBtw, it's horizontal scrolling, not vertical
13:21:56LinusNsilly me
13:22:06amiconnThere's still a problem with the inverse bar (scrolled or not) and arabic. markun knows about it
13:22:30LinusNamiconn: no, i didn't refer to the bug report from the patch, but i did refer the other way
13:22:57markunamiconn: I looked at it before the weekend. It's a little less trivial than I had hoped.
13:23:10amiconnYou only mentioned 5182 in your commit, and 5182 doesn't reference 5267
13:23:18amiconnSo how should I see the connection?
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13:23:26markunOur arabic joiner expects unicode in an array of floats, not UTF-8
13:23:50markunshorts, not floats :)
13:24:26amiconnSo how does it work in lcd_puts*() then?
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13:27:10markunamiconn: I think we convert the array back to UTF-8 at the end of the bidi code
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13:29:33dongscant you just rewrite bidi code to use utf8 to begin wiht?
13:29:36dongsto save double conversion?
13:29:42dongsif its jsut tables it shouldnt be that hard should it?
13:30:14dongsspeaking of unicode, is there a method to localize plugins?
13:30:20amiconnutf8 is variable length
13:30:38amiconnThe bidi code converts utf8->utf16
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13:31:24amiconnI think font_get_width could just use the bidi code
13:31:56amiconnI mean font_getstringsize(()
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13:33:08dongsso is there some method to localize plugins? my friends dont like reading english menus in games
13:33:17amiconnNo, not yet
13:34:40dongsmaybe stealing something like gettext but less bloated is a good idea.
13:35:23amiconnWe do have a localisation mechanism. It's planned to extend it for use in plugins, but it's not yet done
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13:38:23amiconnmarkun: Do I miss something, or does our display code not handle unicode chars outside the base multilingual plane?
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13:41:55markunusing shorts limits it to only the first 65536 chars
13:43:21amiconn(not that I would expect fonts which support such chars in rockbox anytime soon)
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13:48:18jacktorrancefor those about to rock: FIRE
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13:53:29RedBrevaMy Nano needa a reboot after disconecting from PC to get it working again... is this known issue? (can't see any relevant reports on Bug tracker)
13:53:38RedBrevaneeda = needs
13:53:52jacktorrancelet there be rock
13:54:34Genre9mp3let there be rockbox! :)
13:54:45dongsRedBreva: do you see a "dead battery" icon in grayscale for ashort time befeore screen blanks out?
13:55:09linuxstbRedBreva: Yes, that seems to be an Apple bug - the disk mode is nothing to do with Rockbox.
13:55:25dongsknown thing.
13:55:37RedBrevaOK, cool...
13:55:53dongslinuxstb: yes, but its probably due to rockbox not properly initializing power related stuff.
13:56:02dongsbecause I doubt this would happen in apple firmware mode.
13:56:33linuxstbNo - Rockbox resets the ipod and the Apple firmware in flash initialises the hardware and enters disk mode.
13:57:21amiconnmarkun: There's another way to solve the bar issue in the browser etc, without having to change font_getstringsize(), but that won't fix other places which rely on getstringsize
14:02:53dongsbetter fix it right the first time
14:03:09markunGenre9mp3: do you feel like adapting your WPS to 240x320? (Gigabeat's res)
14:04:05amiconnMy idea might still be desirable in addition to fixing font_getstringsize()
14:04:30jacktorranceDid you know that there is a subtle difference between thongs and g-strings?
14:05:08Genre9mp3markun: Is rockbox ported to Gigabeat?
14:05:11dongsdid you know that nobody in this channel probably saw either one?
14:05:18dongsGenre9mp3: i think so
14:05:38amiconnThe idea is to let the (internal) function lcd_putsxyofs() return its end-column. Then lcd_puts_style() & friends can use that for positioning the trailing rectangle. It avoids double calculcation.
14:06:09markunGenre9mp3: We're working on it
14:06:28Genre9mp3Well, my try is to make a wps for all targets, so yes, I could make one for Gigabeat also...
14:06:46jacktorranceAll science other than string theory is garbage
14:07:00amiconnI think the gigabeat lcd has a weird format... a portrait display on a dap...
14:07:07Genre9mp3But isn't this resolution the resolution of iPod5g?
14:07:20markunGenre9mp3: yes, but rotated
14:07:21amiconnGenre9mp3: Same resolution, different orientation
14:07:28Genre9mp3oh...I see...
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14:08:01Genre9mp3BTW, I added the wps to the patchtracker:
14:08:25amiconnlinuxstb: doom etc could also profit from another change I did in viewer.c - the cleaner option setting
14:08:36markunIt gets my vote as the new default rockbox WPS
14:08:37Genre9mp3and amiconn you were right about the iPod Mini....
14:08:51amiconnGenre9mp3: I have one...
14:09:03Genre9mp3markun: sweet!
14:09:06amiconn...and I made rockbox run on the mini2g
14:09:18Genre9mp3I never doubt on you....
14:10:00Genre9mp3but, seriously, on an old sim I got blury the 24bit bmps
14:10:18Genre9mp3but I compiled a new one and everything was fine
14:10:25Genre9mp3I updated the mini wps
14:10:37amiconnUnicatcher is iCatcher with unifont?
14:10:56dongswhere do i get unicatchier
14:11:01dongsis it in the zip?
14:11:11Genre9mp3They are all in the file
14:12:04*dongs gets unicatcher and replaces with my font
14:12:07markundongs: how's your huhufont tool doing? Still working on it or is it pretty much finished?
14:12:35qwxomfg, robert de niro receives an actual explicit handjob in a deleted scene from the film "1900" from 1976.
14:12:40amiconnGenre9mp3: Do you intend to adapt it to the X5 remote as well?
14:12:45dongsmarkun: i rafb'd you last code I had, it works as far as Im concerned, if it needs to support more unicode ranges its just ADD_RANGE(blah)
14:12:52amiconn(not yet supported, but surely will be)
14:13:01Genre9mp3Yes of course...why not...
14:13:10amiconn128x96, 4-gray
14:13:22Genre9mp3Oh...nice lcd for remote
14:14:20dongsheh copying this itacthcer thing will take a few minutes
14:14:23dongsi better just copy the shit iwant
14:14:29dongs12 minutes to copy 500k of files
14:15:37dongscopying tiny files to usb drive is slow unless you disable caching
14:15:47dongser enable write caching
14:15:48Genre9mp3Should I work on Gigabeat and X5 remote screens now, or wait 'till they get supported?
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14:16:51dongsbut then if write caching is on you cant just pull it without "disconnect" first.
14:21:41dongsany usb device heh
14:21:47dongsmight be slower than usual on nano i guess.
14:21:49dongsbut i didnt notice.
14:22:08amiconnFor harddisks it's not slow here even without write caching
14:22:09RedBrevanano is APPALINGLY slow at data transfer
14:22:16markunGenre9mp3: work on it only if you want to
14:22:23dongsRedBreva: windows?
14:22:29amiconnFor flash mem I would meanhwile strongly recommend to enable write caching
14:22:49amiconnNot doing this will put a lot of strain on the flash area that stores the fat
14:23:19amiconnThe drawback is of course that you have to safely remove the drive
14:23:29Genre9mp3markun: I only own an H340 and I wanted my wps to be for all targets, so yes... I want it for Gigabeat, too
14:23:40RedBrevaMy thumb drive is LOADs quicker...
14:23:47dongsRedBreva: hes right
14:23:51dongsturning on write cache helps.
14:24:02RedBrevaamiconn: Good point, well made.. will do
14:24:11dongsi just copied entire icatcher wps dir in a second
14:24:13amiconnI noticed the difference with my ondio. Windows (write caching disabled by default) takes several minutes to unzip a rockbox build to it.
14:24:19dongsvs 13 minutes it would take with write cache off.
14:24:24amiconnLinux took something like 30 seconds
14:24:31amiconn(including the unmount)
14:24:39changhow do you turn writing cache on windows ?
14:25:12dongsthats because in linux, if oyu pull a usb device without dropping to command line and typing several lines of cryptic shit, it'll at best cause a oops or at worst a hard lockup, or invalidate your scsi subsystem until you reboot.
14:25:34dongschang: start->run->devmgmt.msc, goto drives, double click ipod drive, and goto policies tab, set optimize for performance, click ok.
14:25:43amiconnI just unmount via the gnome context menu, that's all
14:25:49dongslol, right.
14:25:51changdongs : thanks
14:25:56dongsbut go ahead and pull a mounted usb device out of lunix.
14:26:02dongsand see if youre still on irc.
14:26:08dongswhere as windows handles it gracefully.
14:26:27amiconnI don't irc from linux, but I did what you say. Numerous times, by accident
14:26:34Galoisyou're misrepresenting the situation
14:26:51RedBrevadongs: RMC on drive letter, properties, Hardware tab, Apple ipod USB Device, Properties, Policies
14:26:53GaloisI've pulled USB without umounting many times, with nothing as dire as you preduct
14:26:58amiconnNothing bad happened to linux, but of course I had to check the volume
14:27:13dongsGalois: ok, thats total bullshit.
14:27:25dongslinux scsi / usb trash does not support surprise removal wahtsoever.
14:27:33lostlogic *yawn*
14:27:35amiconndongs: Huh?
14:27:38dongsit results in either scsi subsystem trashing itself, usb subsystem trashing itself, or whole system trashing itself.
14:27:44amiconnI have to agree with Galois
14:27:44Galoisit does not support it, but it doesn't fucking crash hard lock
14:28:01GaloisI think you're jumping the gun on this one
14:28:01dongssure it does
14:28:12Galoisrepeat after me, your own experience does not represent everyone's experience
14:28:12dongslast time i bothered to try linux it did exactly that.
14:28:24Galoisand I've used linux a slight bit more than you
14:28:42GaloisI fully agree that what you describe can happen, and that there are systems where it always happens
14:28:52dongsreally now, well, lemme tell you something
14:28:59dongsthere are no systems when somethign liek that happens if you run Windows XP.
14:29:04amiconndebian testing here, and no such problems, both in a vm and on my amd64
14:29:13dongslol, amd64.
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14:29:20Galoisagain, false. You're spouting nonsense based on limited experience.
14:29:35GaloisI work for Microsoft, okay? I know windows xp.
14:29:36amiconndongs: Sure there are. Windows XP sometimes has problems with USB2.0 and hubs
14:29:38dongsGalois: "i've run windows xp a slight bit more than you" to quote yourself.
14:29:58GaloisI have the damn source code and you don't
14:30:08dongsoh wow, and i know kung-fu and 30 other scary words.
14:30:33changhe guys, this is rockbox chan
14:30:46dongsi was jsut typign that this discussion isnt going anywhere.
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14:31:04Galoisit never had anywhere to go.
14:31:51changbtw, i'd got a weird thing yesterday
14:32:09changmy iriver H120 just freeze, anyway i reset it
14:32:24changbut when reseting, it sounds very bad
14:33:01changit really hurts ears if you're listening to high
14:34:01changand when restarting, it launchs iRiver native firmware
14:34:10ashridahchang: as in you got a burst of static when you reset it?
14:34:43changashridah : like when you unplug a mic or something like that
14:35:02changashridah : like a 10 Hz sound
14:35:20dongs10khz maybe?
14:35:23dongsi dont think you'd hear 10hz
14:35:36changvery bass sound
14:36:00dongsmaybe thats like 50hz or whatever your electricity system is running at.
14:36:26changyeah, french fu*king electricity system
14:37:23changi'll investigate it anyway
14:37:26obochang: a sharp click/pop sound?
14:37:44changobo: more like a tiny explosion
14:37:54changobo : yeah a pop or plop sound
14:38:55oboheh - during a normal shutdown/reboot rockbox cleanly stops the hw codec device - when it freezes it obviously can't do that
14:40:13changi don't remember this sound in the early dev on iriver, where i was reseting like a mad guy
14:41:15changanyway, fault is mine, i shouldn't listen Iron Maiden at max volume
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14:58:44PaulJamhmm, trying to edit a .wps file with the builtin text editor was propably not a good idea. it does really strange things to the file.
15:01:03Genre9mp3PaulJam: genrally, isn't such a good idea, you can easily get confused with the text editor due to its limited functionality
15:02:57Genre9mp3It's not possible yet to build a Gigabeat simulator, right?
15:03:47PaulJamyes, but it did things that i didn't expext, e.g. it removes empty lines, inserts a linefeed after 128 characters and it inserted stuff from the start of the file to the end.
15:03:56amiconnThe text editor has some serious bugs
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15:08:22PaulJamamiconn: should i make a bugreport?
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15:12:52RedBrevaI'm confused with the %pb tag.. is it %pb|height|left|right| in pixels? I tried %pb|12|12|164| and it appears at the bottom of the screen!!
15:13:54Genre9mp3RedBreva: progress bar is line based like text
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15:14:35RedBrevaAhhh... I had assumed that pixels given meant it was pixel based !! Doh!!
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15:15:20Genre9mp3|height| is for it's thickness not where it will placed
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15:16:25RedBrevaThanks... :D
15:17:15RedBrevaso can i run a pb *under* some displayed text? I suspect not :(
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15:21:11Genre9mp3Redbreva: why not?
15:22:29RedBrevawhat syntax would you use for that... I tried %pb|13|12|164| %pe of %pt and just got crap on the screen...
15:23:00Genre9mp3well, %pb sholu be alone in a single line
15:23:41RedBrevaso can I put some text on the same line, either over or at the end of the pb?
15:23:44PaulJami think this would only be possible with static text
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15:25:07Genre9mp3RedBreva: If you want the pb under a text, place the %pb in the next line
15:26:01dongslol unifont is so damn ugly
15:26:06PaulJamGenre9mp3: i think he wants the text to be shown on top of the progress bar
15:26:18RedBrevano, I want the %pc/%pt to 'overlay' the PB
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15:26:33Genre9mp3Oh....then I think you cannot do this
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15:27:41RedBrevathe PB is good for a 'quick glance' but I want the actual time of the track on the same line :( It could be 50% of 2 mins or 50% of 15 mins...
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15:30:06blueythis new album of the red hot chili peppers really rules :)
15:32:08dongsGenre9mp3: unifont is 14px high?
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15:36:16Genre9mp3dongs: I think it's 16
15:36:33Genre9mp3not sure though...
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15:38:53dongsyou should know since you adjusted unicatcher wps lines to fit, right?
15:39:20Genre9mp3well, I just tested the results...
15:39:37Genre9mp3what I see from the screendumps is 16
15:40:41dongsWarning: DWIDTH spec > max FONTBOUNDINGBOX
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15:40:47dongswould be nice if it told what char it failed at
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15:48:08dongsnow owrks good
15:49:04markunGenre9mp3: it was possible to build the gigabeat sim, but it might be broken right now. Will fix it after the weekend.
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15:51:20dongs & loosk good
15:51:26stevebdoes anyone have any idea how i would go about removing a corrupted directory on my iriver? when i try rm after mounting it i get an I/O error
15:51:59dongsgotta see why 'g' is cut off
15:52:02ashridahsteveb: use a disk checker on it, like fsck.vfat or chkdsk ?
15:52:12steveboh that might work
15:52:33XavierGr Genre9mp3's WPS sure rocks
15:52:56XavierGrI agree with markun, it gets my vote for a default WPS. :P
16:03:03changwhere can we vite fir default WPS ?
16:03:22chang(vote for ?)
16:03:23dongsi dont think you can jsut yet
16:03:51nobelium-funny...JPEG viewer crashed rockbox when loading a BMP file
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16:08:27*ericmoritz\0 wonders if anyone uses the uisimulator as a media player on their desktop
16:08:55stevebmpd all the way
16:09:23stevebsurly using uisimulator would just be a bit... weird
16:10:20ericmoritz\0I was using it yesturday, it wasn't that bad
16:10:52mikearthurat least it'll do gapless
16:10:59mikearthurwhich no music players on Linux do properly
16:13:12dongsmedia on lunix
16:13:14dongswho are you kidding
16:13:38ericmoritz\0now if I can just hack it to use the touch pad on my laptop to work like the scroll wheel on the iPod
16:14:32dongsreq: icatcher with a 12pt font
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17:25:27XavierGrGod I hate BSODs
17:25:54Mikachuyou can change the color
17:26:16Mikachuwell, you could in 9x anyway
17:26:28*XavierGr googles
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17:27:16XavierGrfound it hehe
17:27:25XavierGrnow I will never see a BSOD again
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17:38:31markunmikearthur: bmp plays gapless for me (only tried ogg vorbis)
17:39:01mikearthurmarkun: nice
17:39:30Mikachuaudacious is newer than bmp
17:39:52Mikachuie, bmp is discontinued and audacious is a fork of it
17:43:05markunMikachu: does it also playback without gaps?
17:43:15Mikachuit has the crossfade plugin
17:43:41markunI'll try it when I get home
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17:45:59blueybmp is discontinued because the Dev's switched to bmpx
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18:01:43bluey <- finally a good aac encoder
18:03:15thegeekI thought the nero stuff were lisence incompatible?
18:04:03Mikachuclosed source
18:04:05blueyno clue about the license but the topic is written as "Free"
18:05:35thegeekI seem to remember some nero code that was "open source" but we could not use it
18:08:51blueywell it seems they haven't changed the license but they will release a closed linux encoder
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18:19:33*amiconn wonders whether he'll ever be able to rip cds on linux
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18:20:23Mikachuamiconn: why wouldn't you be? it's a lot simpler than in windows
18:20:53amiconnMikachu: In theory, perhaps
18:20:56sharpetitle... does, "The Plague and Pestilence" sound good?
18:21:13Mikachui think typing "abcde" is easy enough
18:21:18amiconnOn windows I use EAC. I would like something similar on linux. SOmeone recommended grip
18:21:36sharpeer... pestilence should just work too.
18:21:43amiconn...but I can't install it on my debian-amd64 because of a broken dependency
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18:21:51Mikachuah, debian
18:21:57amiconnI even reported the bug, but...nothing
18:22:27Mikachui've never used debian on my own computer
18:22:43Mikachubut i know i don't like binary deps
18:22:50amiconnOn debian-x86 the problem is fixed, but not on amd64
18:23:49RaeNyeBagder: are you alive?
18:24:36oboamiconn: it's installed okay here - amd64, using sid - I can't remember if I had to jump through any hoops to get it on
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18:25:54amiconnsid beingwhat?
18:26:06Mikachudebian sid
18:26:11*amiconn never remembers the strange codenames
18:26:22amiconnI'm running testing.
18:26:23obosid = unstable
18:26:39Mikachuah so you're complaining about linux in general, based on running debian testing
18:26:43oboor rather unstable is always named sid
18:28:08amiconnI don't complain about linux in general, I complain about my ability or inability to rip, on my system
18:28:41amiconnThis dependency problem seems to be around for months
18:29:05amiconnDependency problems also was what made me move away from unstable, towards testing
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18:30:07nayrwhy must rockbox use FAT32?
18:30:23nayrwhy can't it use a sane filesystem, like ext2?
18:30:51Davide-NYCNeed any testing?
18:30:55sharpesince when do filesystems have sentience?
18:30:58amiconnRockbox uses fat32 because it's a simple filesystem, and is supported by virtually all operating systems
18:31:08Davide-NYCfat32 = cross platform
18:31:53amiconncross platform, simple (=needs little resources, which is a concern on a mobile device)
18:32:08amiconnSome targets even require fat32 in order to boot
18:32:09_Veseliq_damn, i wish that Rockbox supported MSI Mega View >
18:33:03_Veseliq_its firmware sux like hell
18:33:24nayrFat32 is the fs from somwhere around the stonage...
18:33:29nayrno file permissions...
18:33:34nayrstone age
18:33:55amiconnWhy would you need file permissions on a mobile device????
18:34:27_Veseliq_linux cant write to ntfs with no probs and ext2/3 are not directly supported by win
18:34:41_Veseliq_there is lots of logic using fat32...
18:34:43nayrbecause win sucks...
18:34:49amiconn_Veseliq_: Add MacOS and others to the mix...
18:34:49_Veseliq_win sucks
18:34:58_Veseliq_amiconn, never ever used mac
18:35:03nayrnone of which have to do with FAT32
18:35:13_Veseliq_linux on my pc, used to be a win user
18:35:24amiconnMe neither (at least nothing ppc, only a very little experience with macos 7)
18:35:27_Veseliq_fat32 is the only solution to this point
18:35:31nayrlinux is fine
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18:35:56nayrI only wish win would dump ms-dos, and join the modern worl
18:36:04amiconnBut I do access my rockboxes from amigaos from time to time
18:36:10nayralso, the registry wouldn't be a bad thing to kill either :)
18:36:22amiconnThe registry is basically a good idea
18:36:57amiconnThat it isn't always used as intended is another story
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18:38:24amiconnI use windows, linux and amigaos. Each of them has its pros and cons, I wouldn't say one of them 'sucks'
18:39:03*Mikachu is listening to Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie - Every OS Sucks (0:01 / 4:45)
18:40:33nayr"12:34 < amiconn> The registry is basically a good idea"
18:40:35*nayr snorts
18:41:01sharpeoh boy...
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18:44:49nobelium-is anyone considering porting rockbox to sony players^?
18:45:04nobelium-they are so full of DRM one can not even copy files decently :)
18:45:38XavierGrthen noone should by those players
18:45:55nobelium-i agree..and I don't own one =)
18:46:06nobelium-my h340 is all I could ask for
18:46:40nobelium-just wondering..since I have a friend who loves rockbox but owns a sony
18:49:31amiconnMikachu: Hahahaha.
18:49:33*amiconn just checked out that song
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19:29:14hardeeplostlogic: new bug reported on wiki page −− stopping after pausing a track hangs the device
19:32:42sharpewe should have a program that monitors the bug reports and announces here when it's reported.
19:32:48sharpeer, new ones.
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19:33:46hardeepyou can receive the mailing list notifications
19:34:04sharpei know
19:34:31sharpeit was just a somewhat interesting idea.
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19:42:10sharpeyou know, those webpages that are seemingly generated for a certain collection of key words, are kind of funny.
19:42:53sharpelike this one. " has your ENDEMIC PLAGUE"
19:42:55lostlogicthat's stupid.
19:43:25sharpe"Shop for Endemic Plague"
19:43:59sharpe"The latest endemic plague tools right here"
19:44:17sharpe"we have one of the best endemic plague one-stop-shop sites on the web - visit us today."
19:44:25sharpeit just makes me laugh sometimes...
19:45:36sharpeso much for finding information on the plague.
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20:07:42ender`sharpe: too bad somebody just made money by you clicking to that link
20:09:24sharpeoh well.
20:10:01RibsI'm sure he'll get over it :>
20:10:15*Ribs would like to make another statement, tho he has already made many to the same affect:
20:10:22RibsROCKBOX IS THE L33T!
20:10:30RibsThank you.
20:11:44sharpehmm... should i italicize Yersinia pestis in my paper?
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20:13:36hardeeplostlogic: a little more info for that problem. it looks like we're getting stuck inside the loop in pcmbuf_flush_fillpos() called by pcmbuf_write_complete() which we can't get out of until playback is resumed
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20:27:45amiconnhardeep: Maybe this is the same problem causing the freeze on quick play-stop?
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20:28:59hardeepamiconn: hmmm, dunno, let me check
20:29:36hardeepbtw, h300 sim with insight on cygwin is incredibly useful for investigating these issues
20:30:17amiconnWhat's insight?
20:30:28hardeepvisual debugger
20:30:49hardeepnot as good as visual studio but still decent
20:31:14amiconnVisual studio is a bit too integrated for my taste
20:31:28amiconn(says amiconn, who usually prefers gui over commandline)
20:31:46hardeepi only use the debugger, and i haven't found anything better on windows or linux
20:31:58dprohmmm ... does cvs have any problems lately ?
20:32:13hardeepdpro: was working for me around 30m ago
20:32:48dprohardeep: ah ok , I'm just trying to update but it seems to hang .. I'll see
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20:34:02XavierGrlostlogic are you here?
20:34:30dproah here we go
20:35:26hardeepamiconn: i can't reproduce the quick play-stop issue... do I need to do something more then playing a track and immediately stopping?
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20:38:07amiconnhardeep: Not that I know of. I got that freeze only once (but then I usually don' start-stop in quick succession)
20:39:26hardeeponly problem i'm seeing is that it forgets the directory it was in and exits back to root
20:39:50hardeep(probably related to follow playlist being on)
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21:23:22*dpro goes to dj with rockbox :)
21:23:28*dpro like now
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21:55:31Nebbhey - any news on the rockboy nano port?
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21:56:44marc_in_luxgood evening
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21:58:34marc_in_luxpart of my nano's space is reserved for podcasts. Is there a way to create playlists with items sorted by date?
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22:37:06lostlogichardeep: ah, I can definitely look into that... tomorrow I'm dedicating to rockbox...
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22:53:35Hansmaulwurfsweet bunnys ;)
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22:54:50_Veseliq_I was at my grands house in the mountain (:
22:55:09_Veseliq_havent been there for 2 years and made some pics
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23:07:12sharpei think tomorrow will be my day of entertainment.
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23:09:09muesli-does somebody use google mail?
23:09:33bluey^awyi do
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23:09:56sharpei do
23:09:56muesli-how do i upload files? didnt see any button :o
23:10:23sharpefor an attachment?
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23:10:46muesli-no..just to dump some files there
23:10:56muesli-dont want to attach 400mb
23:11:00sharpesend an email to yourself
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23:11:32muesli-so thats the only possibilty?
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23:11:47sharpedo you use windows or linux?
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23:12:18muesli-cos theres a firefox extension that enables file uploads. it says transfer 100% ok but dont find the files. windows
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23:13:23sharpeyou could use a (shell?) extension called "gmail drive" ... i think... but, it will handle everything to have your gmail account act as a drive.
23:13:48muesli-its called gspace
23:13:51sharpei haven't used it in a long time...
23:13:53muesli-looks like a ftp client
23:14:10sharpegmail drive shell extension,
23:14:29BHSPitLappy2that's wicked interesting...
23:14:59Rincewinddoes anybody know if it is possible to replace a broken line-out plug in the h120?
23:15:12sharpeunbreak it?
23:15:46sharpewoo, on page four of my paper...
23:15:52Rincewindi mean, the plastic of the plug is broken inside
23:16:17sharpebuy a new rca jack and solder it on?
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23:16:32sharpewhere did jack come from...
23:17:04Rincewindwhat do you mean?
23:17:17muesli-sharpe ive already uploaded some files before. but how do i access on the googles website???
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23:17:40sharpeare you using that firefox extension, or the gmail drive?
23:17:48muesli-gmail drive
23:18:06BHSPitLappyit puts them in your inbox, right?
23:18:16sharpeif i remember correctly...
23:18:36sharpeRincewind: erm, you're probably going to have to replace the little plastic thing...
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23:19:04muesli-sharpe nope
23:19:13RedBrevashouldn't "line selector: pointer/bar" be in a saved .cfg file?
23:19:42sharpemuesli-: is there a label for gmailfs ?
23:19:47Rincewindi know, i was asking if it is possible to solder an new (or not new) plug on or if solder pads are hidden behind the display or something
23:20:06sharpewell, i'm not the one to ask about that. :D
23:20:29Rincewindk, i think i post it on misticriver sometime
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23:21:02Rincewindright now i don't want to open my player anyway. This has to wait until i need a new battery
23:21:36Rincewindadvice for anyone: don't give your player to drunk people :(
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23:21:51RedBrevaand should the sims actually save some data in the config file, if you ask it to write one?
23:22:07scottderinteresting...with EQ on on my ipod...i hear clicking when I change volume
23:22:19stevenmHey guys. How would I test if a file exists on the hard drive? I am currently looking if rb->open() returns -1, but this does not seem to work
23:22:25scottdernothing when I am in apple firmware, and very little when I shut off eq
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23:22:57sharpestevenm: try if it returns anything less than zero...
23:23:12stevenmsharpe, alright, thanks
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23:23:45sharpewhy are the spam emails i recieve, becoming more poetic and incoherent?
23:24:24Rincewindanother question: how is file acces with the VMWaredevelopment platform supposed to work?
23:24:37sharpei don't think there's any way a translator could translate, that bad...
23:26:14sharpelatest spam : "fly force make how? mentioned young servants night shining again. light promised different thats somewhere yours, least reading raise make. explain taught corner teach window rich? how love am explain thats slow. thats off shining studied."
23:26:57Rincewindyou don't get much spam right? because you have time to read it...
23:28:22bluey^awyhas anyone ever made RMAA Benchmarks of the IPOD 5g with rockbox?
23:28:54bluey^awyafaik RMAA Benches weren't possible duo the lack of 96bit Audio Support of the RetailOS
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23:30:06GargamaleIf you know that why ask the question?
23:30:13GargamaleYou answered yourself
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23:30:53BHSPitLappyno he didn't...
23:31:05Mikachubluey^awy: do you mean 96khz 24bit?
23:31:11GargamaleWell he gave a valid reason why no one has
23:31:14Mikachui've never seen 96bit audio
23:31:15bluey^awyuhh yes
23:31:21MikachuGargamale: no he didn't
23:31:22BHSPitLappyGargamale: there's this thing called Rockbox...
23:31:30MikachuGargamale: he said nobody tried it with retailos, and has anyone tried it with rockbox?
23:31:40bluey^awyi would do some but i have only a audigy2
23:31:41sharpewhat is this rockbox...
23:32:00BHSPitLappysharpe: it's the end result of european programmers on various drug trips
23:32:12GargamaleMy bad
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23:32:20BHSPitLappyyes, your bad!
23:32:28sharpebut not all of them live in europe...
23:32:40GargamaleBHSPitLappy: Shit happens
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23:33:08GargamaleSomtimes people make mistakes
23:33:16GargamaleLess vague?
23:33:17sharpeif i remember, lostlogic doesn't.
23:33:26GargamaleYour mom doesnt
23:33:36sharpeyou're right.
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23:34:14GargamaleYo mama is a whitey
23:34:42bluey^awyi see, rockbox users are a really clever folk :P
23:36:16Camilowhat ogg encoding settings would you guys recommend for rockbox on H340?
23:36:37bluey^awyQ10 !!!11
23:37:15Rincewindq5 is cosidered a good compromise usually
23:37:49CamiloI'm about to re-rip my entire collection :-/
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23:38:15Camilowhat about tagging - is there anything I should watch out for?
23:38:16Rincewindwhat did you use before?
23:38:28Camilolame and 128kbps
23:38:40Rincewindok, then i can understand you
23:38:42Mikachuif you were happy with mp3 at 128kbps, use -q3
23:38:45GargamaleTagging? I use Tag&Rename
23:38:50GargamaleIt pulls album art and reviews
23:39:17Camilonot really happy - although I mostly listen in the car, where 128 is fine, when I listen through headphones I hear too much artifact
23:39:26Rincewindmaybe it is a good idea to include the freedb disc ID in
23:39:59CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 22 minutes and 51 seconds at the last flood
23:39:59*scottder hands Luggage to Rincewind
23:40:00bluey^awyCamilo: don't forget to use the latest autov (or whatelse) version
23:40:12CamiloI'll be doing the tagging from scratch (linux). I have a perl script that pulls the tag info from cddb but haven't decided where to put it yet.
23:40:23bluey^awyit's essential
23:40:31scottderwith the latest ops I have great luck even at q3 for music
23:40:40Camilobluey^awy, autov - is that the gain control stuff?#
23:41:28bluey^awyno i'm speaking of the modded Encoder
23:41:57CamiloI'll get the latest oggenc
23:42:03bluey^awynot the official one
23:42:12scottderfrom there
23:42:17CamiloI'll check it out, thanks
23:42:18RincewindI personnally use lame mp3 vbr-new q3
23:43:12bluey^awyi think autov has even beated Musepack at Q5
23:43:57stevenmCan anyone tell me what the deal with the keymappings is? I need to test if up/down is being pressed in a plugin, and if so, adjust the volume. How would I go about doing this?
23:44:05sharpealmost done with my paper...
23:44:12Mikachustevenm: look at any other plugin
23:44:16sharperb->get_button(false); or true for blocking
23:44:33sharpeor is it buttons...
23:45:13sharpenope, it-s rb->button_get(false);
23:45:27sharpei corrected myself, yay!
23:45:32Mikachunice work
23:45:39sharpeand i'm also almost done with the fourth page! yay!
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23:47:02stevenmaah thanks guys
23:47:24CamiloThanks for your help everyone
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23:52:18Mikachuscottder: beta4.51 is the latest one?
23:53:21scottderI believe so.....i am using one someone on Hydrogren Audio built with an optimzied compiler
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23:54:35Mikachuyou'll probably get better quality the less optimization you use
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23:55:09bluey^awylol not really
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23:55:25bluey^awythose optimized version's are only compiled with arch optimizations
23:55:27scottderbut it's for windoze
23:55:34scottderyeah what bluey^awy
23:55:49bluey^awyat the end, it will produce the same file
23:56:06scottderI get pretty good speeds (I rip to flace, then I transcode for one the go)

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