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#rockbox log for 2006-05-08

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00:12:26fiftyfour123someone port to HFS+ please i would love you
00:12:40markunfiftyfour123: why?
00:12:52fiftyfour123so i can use it and not convert my ipod to FAT32
00:13:21markunWhy don't you just convert it? I think it's a lot easyer than adding HFS+ to rockbox.
00:13:46fiftyfour123i dont wanna convert it then i cant update the firmware of my ipod
00:14:05fiftyfour123from my mac
00:14:10fiftyfour123and i dont like using pcs
00:14:20markunok, didn't know that.
00:15:18linuxstbYou can update it from a Mac - just follow the instructions in the InstallationFromMacOSX wiki page for extracting a firmware image from the Mac OS installer, and installing it.
00:15:34fiftyfour123thats too complicated
00:15:58linuxstbNot as complicated as implemented an HFS+ filesystem
00:16:16amiconnHFS+ in rockbox won't happen anytime soon
00:16:50linuxstbAnd also, if you updated your ipod's firmware with the Apple installer, it would wipe Rockbox, so you would have to follow Rockbox's instructions to install Rockbox again anyway.
00:17:26amiconnJust for comparison how difficult it is to get a filesystem working correctly: the VFAT implementation in rockbox already exists a few years, and there's still the occasional bug to be found...
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00:26:22dproamiconn: BTW I got a couple of ATA panics last night when navigating the filesystem
00:30:43amiconnpreglow, linuxstb: Do you know whether the hw rev is written to the end of ram on PP5002 ipods as well?
00:31:55*amiconn also guesses that the readout is wrong on 64MB 5gs, even though *we* don't support the whole ram
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00:32:36linuxstbI think it's wrong on all 5gs. But it's not used for anything anyway. It's currently only used on the Photo/Color as part of the LCD detection.
00:32:51amiconnYes, and it's displayed in the debug menu
00:33:14amiconnI'm currently shuffling around some things in order to make port debug usable on mini
00:33:34amiconn(currently it isn't because it simply doesn't fit the lcd)
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00:34:07amiconnI'm moving the hw revison to the (currently unpopulated for ipod) 'View HW info', where it belongs
00:34:11linuxstbIt's a bit of a hack at the moment - it's read from location 0x2084 in the bootloader, and then passed to Rockbox at the end of DRAM so it survives the RAM remapping.
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00:34:38linuxstbThe cleaner solution would be to read it in crt0.S before the RAM remapping and save it to a variable.
00:35:03amiconnWhy not remap the rom as well, and read it from there?
00:35:17amiconnThis would also allow to read the flash type
00:35:27linuxstbI'm not sure we know how to - you will need to ask preglow.
00:35:32amiconn...and even flashing later :-)
00:35:36Mikachui would be more comfortable if it wasn't possible to access the flash while running rockbox
00:35:54amiconnMikachu: Why?
00:36:08Mikachuless chance of overwriting it by accident
00:36:13amiconnAccidentally writing something is almost impossible
00:36:26Mikachuimpossible is better than almost impossible
00:36:40amiconnYou would first need to put the chip into flash mode, which requires a special command sequence
00:36:55*amiconn wants flash access
00:37:13*amiconn wants rockbox in flash for really fast boot, like on archos
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00:37:30*amiconn knows that this isn't likely to become reality on ipod :/
00:37:31Mikachuheh, i guess it makes a difference on hd players eh
00:38:02amiconnThe apple loader takes longer than the whole rockbox boot on my mini...
00:38:23linuxstbDo you still have retailos in your firmware partition?
00:38:23amiconn(and that's clearly not caused by the disk spinup)
00:38:49amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, why? Would it be possible to put just the rockbox loader there?
00:39:18linuxstbThe apple bootloader loads both the Rockbox loader and retailos into RAM - that slows it down a lot on my 4g color.
00:39:43amiconnWell, I have no use for retailos...
00:39:57linuxstbA quick hack would be to create a dummy apple_os.bin (e.g. dd if=/dev/zero of=apple_os.bin count=1) and use that instead of the real thing.
00:40:15linuxstb(you may have to experiment with the size, I forget if there is a minimum)
00:40:52linuxstbAn alternative would be to change ipod_fw to create a firmware consisting solely of the Rockbox loader. But I think the IPL people are already working on that, they may already have done it.
00:41:26linuxstbDoing that cuts about 4 seconds from my boot-time on my 4g.
00:41:29amiconnThe bootloader should then be adapted to ignore Menu
00:41:51linuxstbYes, it should be able to detect if retailos is there.
00:41:52amiconnHeck, it wouldn't even need to check buttons at all
00:42:03linuxstbApart from loading IPL...
00:42:06Mikachunano boots in 3 seconds or so
00:42:16amiconnlinuxstb: Drop that...
00:42:45Mikachui don't think checking the buttons takes long, it just reads the state, no waiting
00:43:56dprolinuxstb: I don't think that there's a minimum size, I did that on my nano with size=1
00:44:01linuxstbNo, I don't think removing the button check will give any noticable speedup.
00:44:18linuxstbdpro: OK.
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01:23:39ToddCan I expect normal(ish) battery times on my ipod if I only play mp3s? (I am assuming playing ogg and what not use much more battery.. is this true?)
01:24:24Galoisrockbox has about equally bad battery consumption on all file formats
01:25:11Toddso it always uses the firmware to play, even if ipod supports the format natively?
01:26:14Galoisrockbox does nothing with the original code on the ipod except for boot the original firmware when you tell it to
01:26:20ToddI really like rockbox (had it on my archos for years) but Im not sure if I want to put it on my ipod if the battery is only going to last 4 hours
01:26:36amiconnDepends on your ipod
01:26:55amiconnMy battery lasts >9 hours (mini 2nd gen)
01:26:58Galoisthe ipod nano lasts 8 hours
01:29:11MikachuTodd: ogg is better than mp3 for battery probably
01:29:21sharpemy video lasts... i suppose 5-9 hours on rockbox.
01:29:54Galoisogg is slightly better than mp3, but it's nothing to write home about
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01:39:03ToddI have a video too... 5-9 hours isn't bad!
01:39:29midkay_5-9 hours. haha.
01:39:39ToddI think at this point I love rockbox too much to use anything else ;)
01:39:43midkay_yeah, mine lasts somewhere between 1-100 hours..
01:40:20Toddgive or take 95?
01:40:52midkay_abouts, yeah.
01:41:41Toddis rockbox still sans-clickwheel?
01:42:35Todddoes it support the click wheel?
01:42:38Toddon the menus?
01:42:44midkay_um.. it always has..
01:42:57midkay_the click wheel is used almost everywhere.
01:42:59ToddOh. I thought I had read somewhere that it didn't.. i was trying to find proof otherwise in the FAQ
01:43:08midkay_i thought you used rockbox.
01:43:12mirakMikachu: on the iriver firmware ogg sucks more battery than mp3
01:43:40Mikachumirak: yes but he asked about ipod
01:43:42amiconnmirak: Yes, and rockbox on iriver (coldfire) does as well
01:43:48amiconnOn ipod it's different
01:46:10mirakwhy ?
01:46:25Galoisbecause tremor has one file with arm assembly optimizations
01:47:17Mikachurather that mp3 has none
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02:58:03sharpeeh, i don't know when i'm going to get back to work on the emulator...
02:59:35sharpei've the time, but not the motivation
02:59:47midkayand you've come so far.
03:00:23sharpei guess if you consider a somewhat decent emulation of the c64 with only standard text mode... sure...
03:01:30sharpei know i'll get back to working on it sometime
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03:48:42goffayay... got my h140 over the weekend
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04:12:51RoC_MMany devs in?
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04:16:24RoC_MMNote to all, 5/7 daily build for 4G Greyscale is not functional. Does not get beyond Rockbox boot screen.
04:16:42RoC_MM5/5 is functional.
04:16:49RoC_MMi think that's the one I grabbed
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05:42:34goffahmm... there something special you have to do to mount the h140 in linux?
05:42:46goffamount /dev/sdc1 doesn't seem to be doing it
05:42:53goffawhen i look in /dev its not showing up
05:43:30goffarockbox is switching to usb mode for whatever that's worth
05:48:26stevenmgoffa, lookit dmesg. maybe it was assigned to something other than sdc
05:49:22goffaah.. i wasn't using supplied cable... didn't think that mattered
05:50:59stevenmare there 2 ports on H340.. one for usb storage and one for windows media. are ythere 2 usb ports on your 140 ?
05:52:35goffaonly one on the 140
05:52:40goffai got it going
05:52:45stevenmok cool
05:52:57goffawas the cable
05:53:10goffathe one for the iaudio had the same connector
05:53:15goffaso i figured it was the same
05:53:18goffabut aparently not
05:54:40stevenmit should be
05:54:43stevenmworks for me..
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07:20:33RhapsodyCan I install and boot the iPod firmware, iPod Linux, and Rockbox on one device?
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07:22:40RhapsodyWould I just hold menu and then rewind to boot Linux?
07:23:21RhapsodyOh, okay, any special settings to set or will this work from the start?
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07:23:42Mikachuput linux.bin in / on the fat partition
07:24:00RhapsodyI don't have a FAT partition on my iPod.
07:24:14Mikachuyou can't use rockbox til you do
07:24:16RhapsodyJust one HFS+ one.
07:24:28RhapsodyI have to repartition?
07:24:52Mikachui guess so
07:25:18RhapsodyThat sucks.
07:26:42B4gderoption 2: write HFS code for Rockbox ;-)
07:27:27Mikachurb linux and apple can all read fat
07:27:57scott666is there any benefit to having your ipod HFS+ formatted?
07:28:04RhapsodyI can't boot iPod Linux on FAT, I need either HFS+ or Linux format.
07:28:15Rhapsodyscott666: It came like that and I never changed it.
07:28:23Mikachuyou can have a small ext3 partition
07:28:34RhapsodyI suppose it preserves application data inside data files.
07:28:34Mikachuor boot it from an initrd if you want to fiddle around
07:28:36scott666Rhapsody: im just asking in general
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07:29:19RhapsodyIf your file has no extension on a FAT drive, the OS would not know which application to open it in.
07:29:40scott666if you can have it in a format that can be read by pretty much /any/ comptuer or only by a mac you'd think there'd have to be some benefit that HFS+ has over fat32, wouldnt you?
07:30:23scott666maybe im only asking because i dont know anything about HFS
07:31:31RhapsodySorry, wrong window.
07:31:58scott666im going to sleep anyway
07:32:02scott666night all
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07:32:50RhapsodyCould I just make two partitions on my iPod, one HFS+ and one FAT?
07:33:34Mikachuyou wouldn't be able to read anything from the hfs partition in rockbox
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07:34:19RhapsodyYes, that's fine.
07:36:12RhapsodyPerhaps I should just delete iPod Linux.
07:38:07qwmthe ipod nano, can i use it as a dictaphone?
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07:46:14linuxstbqwm: I think the Nano supports mono recording via the right input of the headphone socket, so yes. But recording is not implemented in Rockbox yet.
07:46:30RhapsodyiPod Linux should do it.
07:46:41linuxstbIt does.
07:47:11qwmalright. :)
07:47:27qwmwill it get implented for rockbox anytime soon?
07:48:39qwmmidkay: why don't you do anything useful for once and write that feature.
07:48:41linuxstbYes, I'm planning on working on it right after 3.0 is released.
07:48:49qwmah. cool. :)
07:49:10qwmis video on the nano a possibility?
07:49:28qwmand what's up with grayscale video on those oldass archos devices.
07:49:31Mikachumaybe, the resolution is low
07:49:43linuxstbThat's a good thing - less data to decode...
07:49:51qwmyep. :D
07:50:08qwmis it the same cpu in all ipods?
07:50:10qwmor similar ones.
07:50:32qwmah. :)
07:51:16RhapsodyWould it be better to run on an Archos Jukebox Multimedia?
07:51:18linuxstbThe 1g-3g have a PP5002 which has a slow cache, the 1st gen mini, 4g greyscale and Color/Photo have a PP5020, the Nano and 4g have PP5021 and the 2nd gen mini has a PP5022.
07:51:37midkaynano and 5g, you mean?
07:51:52linuxstbI think the PP5020 and PP5021 are the same in terms of performance, but the PP5022 can theoretically be clocked higher (but we don't do it at the moment).
07:52:20linuxstbmidkay: err, yes.
07:52:21amiconnIt can also practically clocked higher, I tried it
07:52:56midkayhow high do you think the PP5021 could be clocked somewhat-safely? :)
07:53:01amiconnI clocked my mini 2g at 96MHz. No skipping with lame −−preset standard mp3s + all 5 eq channels
07:53:05Mikachui think the spec is 80mhz
07:53:20Mikachui tried 78 and it worked fine
07:54:39amiconnThe exact specs of the PP5021 are not known as there is not even a product brief available
07:54:51midkayMikachu, hm, i wonder about 81.
07:54:53Mikachui think the advertisement thing said something about it
07:55:04Mikachuor whatever it was
07:55:07Mikachui saw some document about it
07:55:23amiconnThe PP5002 is specced 90MHz, 5020: 80MHz and PP5022: 100MHz
07:55:40Mikachuah, okay
07:56:05dongsPP5022 is specced: failure
07:56:16dongs(in a sense that apple dumped them)
07:56:32amiconnPerhaps they were too expensive
07:56:41dongsthey should just switch to qualcomm chips
07:57:13B4gderthey chose Samsung
07:57:16linuxstbThey've announced a switch to Samsung ARM.
07:57:35Mikachumore fun for ipl
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07:57:43linuxstbAnd us...
07:59:26dongsyea i knoiw they chose smasung
08:01:04qwmmidkay claims there'll never ever be mp4/xvid support for the ipod nano, is he a michievous liar or is he telling the truth?
08:01:11midkayhaha. FU.
08:02:52dongslol mp4. lol xvid.
08:02:54linuxstbIt's possible, the only question is how many fps can be achieved.
08:02:55dongslol 80mhz cpu
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08:03:04linuxstbdual 80mhz cpus
08:03:12qwmi'd be happy with 24fps.
08:03:28B4gderyou can have that
08:03:33B4gderin a 10x10 square ;-)
08:03:57qwmthat'd be sooo useful!
08:04:20qwmshut up. :(
08:05:54dongswahts the point anyway.
08:06:13qwmwatching fawlty towers on the train?!
08:06:16qwmfor example!
08:06:25dongslike last year i found out i can paly 320x240@15fps xvid/aac videos on my phone. the novelty lasted for about 30 seconds.
08:06:45qwmyou're harder to please than i am, then!
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08:08:03violatrinhey can anyone help me out with this problem
08:08:06dongsi finally got past level 40 in bubbles damn that shit was hard
08:08:13dongsnow im on 47 or somesthing
08:08:24scorcheheh...i am on like 65 or something
08:08:28scorche....on an archos
08:08:34Snapyahow do install the boot loader for an 4th gen ipod?
08:08:37dongsdoes that make it worse or better
08:08:45midkaydongs, wtf.
08:08:50dongsSnapya: i think the IpodInstallHowto or somethign in the wiki covers it good
08:08:55dongsmidkay: wtf @ what?
08:09:03midkayif you think that was hard, wait for level 100.
08:09:23linuxstbviolatrin: It looks like that WPS needs a patch to work. So you'll either have to patch Rockbox, or wait for the feature it needs (text margins) to be implemented in the official builds.
08:09:38Snapyahank you
08:09:50scorchemidkay: if you think that was hard, play it on an archos
08:10:24dongs(incase you didnt find it yet)
08:10:31midkayscorche, i've tried. :)
08:11:03scorcheto 100? =P
08:11:41violatrinhey, how might i learn how to patch rockbox to work with that theme, and how long would it take?
08:11:43midkayno, to like 2.
08:11:58scorchei win
08:12:02dongsviolatrin: "text margins" patch.
08:12:45dongswhat does the midi player play with? samples? or FM synth
08:14:15linuxstbviolatrin: Instructions for compiling Rockbox and applying patches are here:
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08:14:40linuxstbThe VMWare option seems to be the one WIndows users are recommending - compiling is a lot faster than Cygwin.
08:17:13RhapsodyCan I use all the Rockbox CODECs with my iPod?
08:17:44dongsmost of them i think
08:17:57RhapsodyWell the 3rd party ones.
08:18:29dongsduno there's a list here
08:18:44dongsi would imagine most of those would work.
08:19:04RhapsodyI want mostly the SID and MOD CODECs.
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08:19:43dongslooks like its not done properly yet
08:20:13B4gderRhapsody: if the patches are done fine they should
08:21:06dongsand search
08:21:08dongsfor sid
08:21:08dongsor mod
08:21:11dongsand see if its current
08:21:12dongsand apply
08:21:16dongsand fix it if it breaks
08:21:16B4gderthe sid and mod codecs are only available as patches
08:21:18dongsand rebuild
08:22:12RhapsodySo what do I do with these files after I download them?
08:22:15BHSPitLappyare they even "codecs"?
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08:22:53dongsyou patch the current rockbox cvs with them, rebuild, and overwrite your .rockbox and whatever otehr junk with the new built stuff
08:23:12B4gderRhapsody: you first need a build environment setup that lets you build Rockbox from source
08:23:41dongshow fast is mp3 encoding on ipod?
08:24:03dongsp3 ? ipod ? p4 replace ? with <,>
08:24:59B4gderit'll be way slower than any modern host CPU
08:25:40dongsi keep forgetting to copy some .wav files over to test
08:26:06dongsneed to have a "decode mp3" option too.
08:26:08dongsto go mp3 -> wav
08:26:27linuxstbI haven't tested the latest version, but I'm pretty sure it's realtime. It's not the best quality encoder in the world though.
08:26:42RhapsodyWhat do I do with these .diff files?
08:26:58B4gderRhapsody: you read the WorkingWithPatches wiki page
08:27:25linuxstband SimpleGuideToCompiling...
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08:38:03RhapsodyDamn, everything is Windows oriented.
08:38:20dongsmore like the other way around
08:39:26RhapsodyAll the software it refers me to is for Windows, I even have to format my iPod on Windows using the Windows file system.
08:39:45dongsand you're what a mac user?
08:40:08dongsi'm sure i saw a "installing on mac" section somewehre
08:40:15linuxstbRhapsody: FAT != Windows.
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08:41:40RhapsodyI have Mac and Linux boxes.
08:41:51linuxstbTo compile under Mac OS X, you have to do the same as Linux users - ceate the necessary cross-compiler using the instructions on the CrossCompiler wiki page.
08:42:01dongsmp3 encoder doesnt handle mono files?
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08:43:42RhapsodyIs Rockbox on the iPod good or would it be better on my Archos Jukebox Multimedia?
08:44:08B4gderit doesn't run on the multimedia
08:44:15dongsit rocks on my nano, sure beats the retarded jewtunes-tied apple firmware
08:44:16RhapsodyOh, never mind then.
08:44:25linuxstbdongs: Looking at the source, it looks like it should handle mono. What happens when you try?
08:44:34dongslinuxstb: im getting 2x faster playback
08:44:50dongsso i guessed it didnt work.
08:44:59RhapsodyI am just using Rockbox for SIDs and MODs, I would still use the normal iPod firmware for music and podcasts.
08:45:19dongslol podcasts.
08:45:38B4gderRhapsody: you'll learn to avoid the dark side eventually ;-)
08:45:38dongslinuxstb: its just a standard 44khz mono .wav
08:46:00qwmwhat about mpeg1 on the ipod nano?
08:46:10dongsmpeg1 what? video?
08:46:14RhapsodyI heard the iPod firmware is designed by some former Newton engineers and I really like my Newton.
08:46:19qwmyes, video.
08:46:20midkaydongs, you said mp3.
08:46:46midkayRhapsody, ah, the *fact* keeps you. no matter how the interface looks - it's designed by these guys, so technically, it MUST be good! ;)
08:47:23RhapsodyAlso, Rockbox cannot sync with my iTunes, yet.
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08:47:50linuxstbdongs: Yes, it's a bug. If you look at where init_mp3_encoder() is called in mp3_encoder.c, it passes "true" as the first parameter - this indicates stereo. Try replacing true with something like (cfg.channels==2).
08:48:02RhapsodyOnce it reads the iTunes library, then maybe.
08:48:05dongslinuxstb: cool, looks like you have a patch coming up
08:48:08dongslol itunes library.
08:48:15linuxstbdongs: If you test it, I'll commit....
08:48:17dongsi think most people running rockbox could care less about itunes library.
08:48:18midkayRhapsody, do some research, it can build a music database for you.
08:48:20dongsme included
08:48:23dongslinuxstb: sure. make it and i'll test
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08:48:24midkaydongs, that is *so* funnier. like, it gets funnier every time.
08:49:06dongsi gotta unpatch these 2 failed scroll wheel patches
08:50:41RhapsodyMy iTunes library is used by many applications so I'd like to keep it working seamlessly.
08:50:51linuxstbRhapsody: Rockbox doesn't read the itunes database, but it indexes the files on your ipod itself and creates its own database.
08:51:17linuxstbRockbox supports many audio formats that itunes refuses to believe your ipod can play...
08:51:32midkayRhapsody, so, *effectively*, you access all the things you load from itunes.
08:51:39dongsallright rebuilding
08:51:55RhapsodyI really just want SIDs and MODs, which I have to compile myself for those to work.
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08:52:00*scorche wonders why Rhapsody doesnt use Rhapsody
08:52:19RhapsodyI have in the past.
08:52:28RhapsodyIt works alright.
08:52:31RhapsodyEven on intel.
08:52:37dongsi prefer OS's that work
08:52:43dongswhich is why I use Windows XP Professional SP2
08:52:45B4gderRhapsody: I'm sure those codecs will become part of the official Rockboc package one day
08:52:52Rhapsodydongs: lol
08:53:10dongsim dead serious.
08:53:16dongsi like to use my computer the way I want.
08:53:30B4gderwow, that's unusual ;-)
08:53:33RhapsodyRhapsody is about as old as that.
08:53:43scorchelol...i use linux cause i want the same thing =)
08:53:49RhapsodyAnd nobody today would use Rhapsody as their main OS.
08:53:55*linuxstb agrees with scorche
08:54:08dongslinuxstb: testing
08:55:40dongswhere does the mp3_encoder rock go?
08:56:18linuxstbJust look for the existing one - I think it's .rockbox/viewers/
08:56:28B4gdermake zip && unzip -l | grep mp3_encoder
08:58:02dongs31 seconds to convert 44second wav
08:58:03dongsnot bad
08:58:40dongslinuxstb: works
08:59:32dongsjust as you said
08:59:33dongs init_mp3_encoder_engine((cfg.channels == 2), brate[srat], cfg.samplerate);
09:01:28dongssomething is still fucked though
09:01:40dongsits still twice speed
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09:04:35dongslinuxstb: whats this shit in line 2155 @ mp3_encoder.c
09:04:43linuxstbdongs: Ah, it seems that Stereo input is assumed in lots of places.... The encoder itself seems to support mono, but the Rockbox implementation breaks it.
09:04:45dongsdownmix left + right to mono?
09:05:14linuxstbIt shouldn't be that hard to fix by the looks of it though, but I need to start my day job now.
09:05:14qwmdoes rockbox itself use code from other projects?
09:05:33linuxstbMainly the audio codec libraries. I don't think there is much else.
09:05:46linuxstbPlus some plugins are ports of other applications.
09:06:07linuxstbYes - our low-level ipod code is mostly based on IPL code.
09:06:24dongshow about a port of to it
09:06:44linuxstbYou would be very lonely...
09:06:48B4gderfeel free to port whatever you want!
09:07:08scorchelinuxstb: i dont think he would be
09:07:17qwmone day, i'll port mplayer and freeciv to rockbox.
09:08:11scorcheif i had a color player, i would port a couple games to rockbox
09:08:17dongslike what
09:08:21linuxstbqwm: We already use parts of ffmpeg, which mplayer is based on.
09:08:21scorche<3 scorched earth
09:08:35amiconnlinuxstb: There are some other places with adopted code, e.g. the prng
09:09:02qwmrockbox is such a sweet project, i'm finally realizing that.
09:09:07dongsi'm guessing pseudo random number generator
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09:09:23linuxstbdongs: Ah, OK.
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09:12:43dongs cfg.mpg.mode
09:12:53dongsis what determines that it will be outputting mono
09:12:58amiconnlinuxstb: Also, many C implementations of string functions are taken from newlib
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09:15:23dongsi dont see a bug open on mp3_encoder's fuckup with mono files, shoudl I make one?
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09:19:14linuxstbYes - or preferably a patch...
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09:20:19dongsim way to lazy for that
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09:28:51dongsstill fucked
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09:35:28dongsi wonder if each tiem in compress() where tehy use 2 * its because they're doing it stereo.
09:35:33dongsespecially in stuff like buffers etc.
09:36:16dongsoh well
09:36:19dongsto lazy to look at it
09:40:23linuxstbIt also assumes 16-bit input - so you see *4 in places as well... I just hope that the mono parts of the encoder haven't been broken as well during the optimisations that have happened.
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10:31:18davehi, I just updated my rockbox build on my 4g ipod
10:31:21daveits working nicely
10:31:33davehowever I noticed that the CPU frequency is changing by itself
10:31:41daveie. rockbox is managing it intelligently
10:31:53daveany feedback on how this affects battery life yet?
10:32:09daveplayback seems to be completely skipfree
10:32:14Paul_The_NerdIt improves it, though by how much depends on what formats you use and other things.
10:32:50daveand I take it the battery meter is now working on the 4g?
10:33:13dave4.05 Volts it reads
10:33:33Paul_The_NerdNot entirely accurate in terms of percentage, but it mostly works.
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10:48:59Nibbleris rockbox working on ipod mini?
10:49:31Nibbleroi, might have to steal my gf's ipod then ;-)
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10:52:59B4gderstealth-installing Rockbox on your neightbour ipods is what we like ;-)
10:53:24Nibblerhehe ;-)
10:53:36Nibblermy archos broke 2 years ago :\
10:54:16scorchei was in a retail store the other day, and someone was wanting a player that played ogg/flac and the employee had no clue what he was talking about
10:54:24scorchei jumped into the conversation =)
10:54:33dwihnoSales people are the bestest!
10:55:06Nibblerbeeing able to sell and knowing what you are talking about are two totally different things
10:55:21Nibblerand thats bi-directional
10:55:26scorchethere are some that can do both, but they are once in a blue-moon
10:56:04scorchei was one of them back in my part-time HS retail job =]
10:56:40Zagoryay, I'll get an ipod mini
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10:56:53B4gderyeah, usually if you DO know your ways around you don't need to do sales ;-)
10:57:52Nibblerdoom on rockbox is REAL now? i just remember it as a aprils fool joke....
10:58:16Zagorthere was a bet here at work about the result of a new business. the winner won an ipod mini. plus there was a provision if we go through the roof, everyone gets one. and... we went through the roof.
10:58:41dwihnocool stuff
10:59:18Nibblernice1 :-)
10:59:19scorcheB4gder: and usually, in HS, you dont have the ability to work a day-job
11:01:21linuxstb_Zagor: Congratulations :) But why an ipod mini? They've been discontinued for a while...
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11:01:55Zagorlinuxstb: my mistake, it's a nano
11:02:36linuxstbOK, that makes more sense...
11:02:50*amiconn thinks the mini is better than the nano
11:03:04linuxstbI think I would agree.
11:03:06amiconnEspecially the 2nd gen :-P
11:03:49Zagorwell, harddrive always trumps flash in my mind. but I never object to new toys :-)
11:04:11linuxstbEspecially Rockboxable toys...
11:05:50amiconnIt's not the harddrive vs. flash why I think the mini is better
11:07:12amiconnLinusN: Are all voltages in the H300 generated by the PCF, or are there other voltage regulators?
11:07:33*amiconn has an idea what to check regarding the high power consumption
11:07:46LinusNthere are more than the pcf50606, iir
11:07:57amiconnEspecially I would be interested how the coldfire core voltage is generated
11:09:28LinusNi'll have to refresh my memory regarding that, but i believe the core voltage is generated by a separate circuit
11:10:02LinusNhmmm, strike that
11:10:14LinusNit seems to be generated by the pcf50606
11:10:53amiconnHmm, if there is no further voltage reduction between the pcf and the coldfire (diode or somesuch) our core voltage setting is too high
11:11:04amiconn(or the comment in pcf50606.c is wrong)
11:11:18amiconnCore voltage should be 1.8V +/- 10%
11:13:22amiconnThe comment in pcf50606.c:509ff only mentions voltages of 2.4V and up
11:14:08LinusNyes, but i believe the core voltage is generated by another regulator
11:14:17LinusNwhich we don't touch
11:14:31*petur wonders if we can do 'cool 'n quiet' (voltage/frequency pairs)
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11:23:30amiconnLinusN: You believe or you know?
11:24:02ZagorOT: are there small notebooks made anymore? (and sold outside japan?) I'd like to buy a (very) small one for reading mail and surfing news on trips. like the old toshiba librettos.
11:24:22B4gderI believe there is
11:24:31B4gderI read about some using 1.8" drives
11:24:32linuxstbThe nokia 770 looks fun.
11:24:52peturor this one:
11:25:58linuxstbEven though it's made by Nokia, there is no GSM module - it's got wifi and bluetooth.
11:26:29Zagorlinuxstb: it looks fun, but I'm burnt with phones. they always to 35% of what you want, and make you go nuts thinking about how great the awesome hardware would be with good software...
11:26:37linuxstbIt's not a phone...
11:26:56B4gderI believe the 770 is mostly interesting when you use it within wifi area
11:27:05amiconnLinusN: Perhaps that's something to check...
11:27:19LinusNamiconn: yes, there are many things to check
11:27:22Zagorlinuxstb: oh :-)
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11:27:46LinusNin retrospect, i should probably have made extensive schematics, like on the h100
11:29:00linuxstbZagor: And it's Linux-based - the "community" is here:
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11:34:01RhapsodyIt seems like Rockbox won't take more than one patch, is that correct?
11:34:27linuxstbIt depends on the patches. If they both change the same part of the code, then they will conflict with each other.
11:34:27Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
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11:35:06RhapsodyOh, okay.
11:35:17RhapsodyYes, they both change the same parts.
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11:36:26Zagorlinuxstb: I think I want a "real" keyboard though.
11:36:33Zagoralbeit small
11:37:08peturthere exist some very small notebooks, sony has some..
11:37:23linuxstbI've never used the 770 (but I've looked at a colleague's from afar), so can't comment on the virtual keyboard.
11:37:43scorcheZagor: there are always the sharp zaurus'
11:37:45linuxstbI guess you could use a bluetooth keyboard....
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11:46:11Zagorhmm, Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook P1510: 990 gram, 8.9" display and a real keyboard.
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11:49:31amiconnZagor: Toshiba still makes librettos
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11:59:04tucozHi, what do you think about the wps posted in the forums? (icatcher) I think it looks really nice.
11:59:50tucozAnd, in my humble opionion a candidate to be shipped as default theme on the 3.0 release.
12:00:06tucozas it is ported to all the targets
12:03:23preglownot bad at all
12:03:55tucozMaybe make the colours a bit more rockboxish for the colour targets
12:04:46LinusNis the nedore font a complete iso8859-1 font?
12:04:58dwihnopretty cute!
12:08:28tucozdifferent colour themes:
12:09:45changthe rockbox colour pack is really nice
12:10:20dwihnothe volume thing looks like the "loading page" icon from firefox :/
12:10:48tucozoh, so that is the volume thing. Hmm.
12:11:00changi may test it
12:12:28dwihnootherwise, it's sleek and sexy
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12:26:59JdGordondoes the auto-change dir setting work when u goto the previoous track from the first track in the playlist?
12:28:16PaulJamJdGordon: for me it works
12:28:23JdGordonhmm.. ok
12:29:09RhapsodyHow do I get Rockbox to show the invisible .iPod_Control directory?
12:29:53changDoes anyone know how to apply cover art patch ?
12:30:06PaulJamhave you tried to set fileview to show all files
12:33:41preglowchang: apply it like any other patc
12:34:07changok, so how to you apply a patch ?
12:34:23changi'm under win32
12:35:27B4gderchang: read the WorkingWithPatches wiki page
12:36:12changok, i'll try it
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12:39:34changok, i need source files for patch apply
12:39:53changthat was the problem ;)
12:40:07changtrying to apply it on compiled rockbox.ipod file
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12:50:03JdGordonare the forums dead?
12:50:16JdGordoni can go into individual threads.. but not the actual forums?
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12:50:35JdGordonno.. bloody firefox...
12:52:04B4gderI just always use the read new function
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13:09:54zigfordHey hey hey hey hey. I was reading up abit about the CPU on iPod now able to change freq. Anyone know when this occured?
13:10:08Mikachubeginning of time
13:10:29Mikachuor are you talking about changing it dynamically while running?
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13:11:03Mikachua couple of months i think
13:11:06zigfordthat one
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13:13:43JdGordonis bool and int both stored the same in rockbox? or is bool 1 byte?
13:15:31*JdGordon hates playing with the settings struct :'(
13:18:52amiconnJdGordon: It depends on the target. However, you should never rely on such particularities, but use proper conversion
13:21:54JdGordonwhere is the settings struct version number thingy that needs to be changed?
13:22:43*petur writes a config file in preparation of wiped setings
13:23:07JdGordonhaha..dw.. this for sure wont get added untill after the freeze..
13:23:09JdGordonif at all
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13:37:25Mikachuyou can use bool name:1 in a struct if you want, but it will probably be slower to access
13:42:15preglowit will
13:42:58preglowbit fields should be shunned as a rule, they say
13:43:01Mikachui sometimes talk like i'm not sure even though i am
13:43:16Mikachuit's better than the other way around :)
13:46:32*Mikachu wonders what a "minimum average" is
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13:53:08dongslooks like lunixstb is ready to fight that mono bug
13:53:46linuxstbI'll ask lunixstb if I see him
13:54:54linuxstbMikachu: Still wondering about the "minimum average" ?
13:55:13Mikachui think it sounds a bit strange, either it's a minimum or it's an average
13:55:26linuxstbIt's the minimum of a set of averages.
13:55:34linuxstb(I would guess)
13:55:39Mikachuit's a defined constant
13:57:06linuxstbWell, a minimum has to be constant...
13:57:33Mikachui just feel the minimum of an average of values would be the minimum of the values
13:57:50Mikachubut it's not vital to my survival if you have something better to do :)
13:58:17linuxstbNo, take the examples of (10,11,12) and (5,6,7) - the minimum of the averages is 6.
13:58:23JdGordongrrr.. bloody fucking firefox.. useless piece of crap
13:58:37B4gderit serves me well
13:58:52JdGordoni have to keep bashing f5 for it to load web pages
13:58:54Mikachuso we always now that the average can't be of just the minimum value then?
14:01:08linuxstbWell, if the values are different, then minimum != mean.
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14:02:10JdGordonway off topic... but has the news of 2 trapped miners in tassy/aus made it to your news?
14:02:59linuxstbMore off topic than minimum averages?
14:03:46peturJdGordon: not in Belgium...
14:04:34linuxstbAre these the people given ipods to help pass the time?
14:05:01JdGordonthems the ones
14:05:12linuxstbThen yes, it's made the UK news.
14:05:43JdGordonok.. well aparently there is only 4 or 5 hours left... just curious if it was "world" news or not
14:06:58peturha, found it
14:07:30peturthey asked for a steak ;)
14:07:50JdGordonand didnt get it..
14:07:51peturan ipod with countrymusic? rofl
14:08:11JdGordonfirst thing id do after coming out is beat the nutritionist who said no to the steak to a pulp :D
14:08:34peturand 1 milion euro for their story...
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14:14:02changneed some help to apply patches
14:14:46changwhen i use patch command, i got a error : missing header for unified diff at line 8 of patch
14:14:50dongschang: WorkingWithPatches
14:15:00dongs(on wiki)
14:15:08changi'd read it
14:15:19changbut it doesn't help me
14:16:15RedBrevaIs 'Pitch Setting' only available from WPS contect menu on iPod?
14:16:45dongschang: the first 10 lines of the patch file
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14:18:22changIndex: apps/metadata.c
14:18:22changRCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/metadata.c,v
14:18:22DBUGEnqueued KICK chang
14:18:22changretrieving revision 1.42
14:18:22changdiff -u -r1.42 metadata.c
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14:18:25chang+++ apps/metadata.c 12 Apr 2006 12:56:23 -0000
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14:18:27chang@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@
14:18:29chang #include "replaygain.h"
14:18:30dongsi did say paste to
14:18:31chang #include "debug.h"
14:18:32dongsnot to here.
14:18:33chang #include "system.h"
14:18:35chang+#include "gwps.h"
14:18:48dongsbut anyway.
14:18:57dongsdoesnt look toomuch out of place
14:19:01B4gderthat looks like a fine patch to me
14:19:04dongsso does patch -p0 < file.patch fail?
14:19:17changwhere should i put the .patch file ?
14:19:23dongsdoesnt matter
14:19:25chang(i'm using cygwin on win32)
14:19:29dongspatch -p0 < /path/to/patch
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14:20:04changI got a prompt File to patch :
14:20:22dongsok then youre in the wrong dir
14:20:28dongsget into main rockbox dir
14:20:31dongsand run that command from there
14:20:35dongsand if that fails do patch -p1
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14:20:50dongsi think p0 should work though as long as youre in rockbox dir
14:21:01B4gderthat patch clearly wants -p0
14:21:45changok it works
14:21:53changthank you guys
14:22:01dproanyone has a 1.0 bootpartition.bin or 1.0 based rockboot image for ipod video 60Gb ?
14:22:16dongsi know someone who has ipod video 30gb, would that help?
14:22:46dongs(and did you check on wiki, i thought i saw boot patrition files on there)
14:22:56dprodongs: I don't know and if it's relatively new then it will be 1.1 too
14:23:45dprothe problem is that apple's 1.1 has a bug with video playback and I really want to avoid finding a windos machine first and do a complete reinstall
14:24:08dongsoh, so basically you hae all the tools youre just "sticking it to the man" and not running windowws?
14:24:11dongsoh well, your loss sir.
14:24:16dongssee if theres anything useful there
14:24:28dongsbut those are just mbrs i think thats probably useless.
14:26:10dprodongs: I have a powerbook with debian, there's no space on my disk to waste for os x and I could ask around if anyone running win would allow me to use the machine for a litlle, but I trust dd much more than those ipodupdater tools ...
14:26:45Mikachudpro: i think lunixstd wrote ipodpatcher
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14:26:58dprodongs: esp. when it comes to downgrading - a process unknown to marketing
14:27:30Mikachubuying windows just to upgrade an ipod sounds a bit expensive
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14:35:18dproMikachu: and it would mean buying a x86 box ... well I could try in qemu ;)
14:35:54Mikachucan't you extract the ipod firmware from the updater.exe with some tool? i think i heard so
14:36:30dproMikachu: the problem is I don't have a 1.0 firmware, I bought the video just a couple of weeks ago
14:36:51RedBrevawhere is the code for the Pitch Settings screen?
14:36:58dproMikachu: and .exe sounds like something that won't run over here anyway
14:37:08dproRedBreva: apps/screens.c
14:37:35Mikachudpro: your chances of finding someone to run a command for you and send a file are a bit higher though
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14:38:02dproRedBreva: what are you having in mind for it ? (because I've worked on it a little lately to make it more dj friendly)
14:38:39RedBrevajust trying to confirm the key presses for all platforms - trying to update the manual page...
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14:39:13dproMikachu: hehe ... anyone with a 1.0 firmware and unix willing to run dd if=/dev/sda1 of=fordpro ; scp fordpro yourwebserver:public_html
14:39:37dpromaybe do a bzip2 fordpro in between ...
14:39:59JdGordondo i need to bother with doing srand before calling rand?
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14:43:56dproJdGordon: that depends on what you want ...
14:44:43dproJdGordon: for quite random behaviour srand(time) or similar is a good idea, for a reproduceable sequence srand(CONSTANT) might be useful for debugging
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14:45:24dproMikachu: see - no one wants to dd for me ;)
14:46:33JdGordonye, i know.. im asking more for in rockbox... im trying to run through and array randomly, s im doing srand(current_tick), then index = (index+101)rand()%num_files and i always seem to be getting the same sequence..
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14:46:46*dpro thinks hard if anyone he knows anyone who has a win video 60Gb with 1.0 , is dd-capable and willing to help out
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14:48:30Galoisif you could somehow send me an ipod video, I would help out
14:49:12dproGalois: hmmm ... I really appreciate your generous offer ;)
14:49:18Galoisno problem dude
14:49:22RedBrevadpro: Is there a key combo to display the pitch screen in iPod, or do you have to go thro' the contect menu?
14:49:39dproyou'll need Mikachu's patch to enable it
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14:53:19dproRedBreva: which is here
14:54:38dproRedBreva: then it's in the shutdown menu, though a keycombo to directly access it from wps might be more convienient ...
14:55:42JdGordondoe any1 like the idea of going to a random directory once the current playlist is finished and want to test my patch?
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14:59:35RedBrevadoes the phrase 'Short ScrollFwd' and 'Long Scroll Fwd' make sence in context of 0.1% / 1% increments of pitch? (rather than 'Up' and 'Hold Up' for key based units)
15:00:25linuxstbdpro: Are you still looking for a 1.0 firmware for your ipod?
15:00:52dprolinuxstb: yup preferably for video 60Gb
15:01:05linuxstbWhich operating systems do you have access to?
15:01:16dprognu linux, freebsd
15:01:56*dpro doesn't know if there's a difference in the firmware for 30/60gb videos
15:04:54dprolinuxstb: my flatmate has a 30GB video but hfs+ formatted, but the firmware partition should be essentially the same with the win version shouldn't it (just on a different partition)
15:05:46linuxstbYes, but HFS+ ipods have Apple partition tables...
15:05:54dproIIRC it's on the 2nd partition in the hfs / mac disklabel version not the 1st
15:05:58linuxstbBut I think the Linux kernel can handle it.
15:06:04dprolinuxstb: no problem
15:06:14RedBrevaPitch screen work on Recorders, and Ondio? The manual currently wraps the section in a SWCODEC only, but the code has key presses for these MASCODEC platforms
15:06:25linuxstbIt's easy to find - it will be the only 80MB partition on the disk...
15:06:32dprolinuxstb: but I'm not sure if she still has 1.0, I think she's an upgrade person ;)
15:06:46linuxstbDoes she have a Mac?
15:07:00dproabout 4 of them ;)
15:07:33linuxstbIt's extremely easy to find the firmware image from the Mac OS version of the ipod updater. See here:
15:08:00linuxstbShe probably has the old versions of the updaters installed already.
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15:08:32linuxstbThose Firmware-X-Y-Z files are equivalent to bootpartition.bin
15:08:53dpronow I need to find an old version of the updater and wait for her to come back home ...
15:09:19linuxstbRedBreva: The pitch screen worked on HWCODEC first, and was then adapted to SWCODEC quite recently.
15:09:28dprolinuxcstb: ah excellent, so it should be equally easy on win just start setup and everything will be in /temp or windows/temp or so ?
15:09:47linuxstbNot quite - they are stored as resources in the updater .exe
15:09:59linuxstbSo you need a tool to extract resources from an .exe
15:10:05dprolinuxstb: aargh .. why do they hate me so much ;)
15:10:34dprolinuxstb: BTW speaking of pitch, I dj'ed saturday night with 2 ipods and found quite a few glitches
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15:10:59linuxstbI read your comments in IRC afterwards. Which codec were you using?
15:11:29dprolinuxstb: there are dropouts when playing a file at different from original speed
15:11:33dprolinuxstb: mostly mp3
15:11:56dprolinuxstb: maybe only mp3 there are only very few oggs on my ipod ATM
15:12:18linuxstbmp3 is only just realtime already.... So trying to play one faster than the original speed is asking for pauses. FLAC is your best option at the moment.
15:12:24amiconnRedBreva: Putch screen does exist for hwcodec for a long time. Recorders surely have it, Ondios used to not have it due to lack of buttons. Now they should also have it in the wps context menu. Can check tonight
15:13:36dprolinuxstb: interestingly enough I'm quite sure I also got some dropouts playing slower than rt (but only _very_ occasionally)
15:13:48markunlinuxstb: is ac3 realtime on the ipod?
15:14:06preglowby a nice margin
15:14:19linuxstbIt's possibly the fastest lossy codec?
15:14:22dprolinuxstb: wasn't much of a problem though, since it was a bar place so I just changed the music style to lounge and dubb stuff with graceful intros and endings >;->
15:14:23*amiconn wants optimised mp3 on ipod :/
15:14:28*dpro too
15:14:35preglowlinuxstb: probably on ipod, yes
15:14:56preglowthat is
15:15:01preglowit is struggling a bit at 448kbs
15:15:02zigfordhow does ogg compare
15:15:02amiconnSomeone buy Toni1 an ipod :/
15:15:27*dpro wants reverse playback and scrubbing on the clickwheel ... how much bounty $$$ do I need to find ;)
15:15:58dprozigford: ogg is hardly optimised ATM AFAIK
15:16:10nudelynwhat will Toni1 do if bougth an ipod?
15:16:12preglowwell, it does have some arm assembler
15:16:16preglowthat reminds
15:16:31zigfordsadness overcomes me
15:16:32preglowtomal posted some arm opts for both ogg and mp3 as par of his ifp port
15:16:40linuxstbHe did?
15:17:01preglowhaven't had time to look at them
15:18:46amiconnpreglow: What happened to s/pdif recording, btw?
15:18:47RedBrevaamiconn: Thanks, you confirmed what I thought, the manual does not document that screen at all for MAS codecs, so I will correct that (have the key presses for recorder, ondio, x5, iriver and iPod). How about Player??
15:19:15amiconnPlayer doesn't have pitch, as its MAS doesn't allow it
15:19:35RedBrevaCool, thanks.
15:19:36linuxstbpreglow: Do you have a URL? This is the only patch I can find, and there are no opts:
15:19:53amiconnYou might add the fact that changing the pitch on hwcodec causes a tiny dropout
15:20:20amiconnThis is due to how pitch works on MAS, not avoidable
15:21:05amiconnWe simply lie to the MAS about its clock. That effectively overclocks the MAS when pitching up
15:21:30preglowamiconn: i don't have rockbox time these days
15:21:34dproamiconn: ouch ... any long term studies on the side effects ?
15:21:37preglowamiconn: and i bumped into problems i didn't understand
15:21:57amiconnNo known side effects, even when clocking at twice the frequency for extended times
15:23:19preglowamiconn: i'm trying to enable the spdif parity/symbol error interrupt to disable recording when found, but then i need to enable the second interrupt controller, and i'm just not able to trigger the correct interrupt
15:23:52dproamiconn: nice
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15:24:22amiconnpreglow: Hmm.
15:24:44*amiconn should really go buy that toslink->mini adapter
15:24:45preglowi _always_ get PDIR2FULL or something
15:24:54preglowno matter what interrupts i unmask
15:24:57dprook looking at it suggests that video 30/60 firmware images are identical ... that's good news for me
15:25:16*amiconn remember sthat you have to set the vectors properly
15:25:49preglowwell, the vectors are all set in crt0.S
15:25:53BHSPitMonkeydamned vectors
15:25:57preglowso as long as i set INTBASE correctly, it should be fine
15:26:07preglowand i do set it correctly, afaik, at least linus agreed
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15:29:01preglowamiconn: you also need to set the interrupt mask and interrupt enable/priority separately, so you won't get an interrupt unless you've set a matching pair, so i do enable stuff correctly, it's just that whatever i unmask, i get the same bloody interrupt
15:29:15preglowamiconn: sometimes at address 0x000000XX
15:29:18preglowwhich is weird...
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15:47:52amiconnpreglow: Where in crt0.S is the interrupt conroller 2 initialised? I can't see it...
15:47:56dprohmmm ... if I could only find a way to mount the damn .dmg I got from apple's site ... but it's not recognized as a hfs image
15:49:14preglowamiconn: i misspoke, i mean system.c, and it isn't initialised, the vectors are just set up
15:49:22amiconnAlso, and address 0x000000xx isn't all that weird. The coldfire has several address spaces, and such an address would be the interrupt vector in the interrupt address space
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15:55:17linuxstbdpro: Try googling for dmg2iso or
15:55:49amiconnAlso, INTBASE needs to be set to 64, and I can't find that, as well as spurvec
15:56:09PaulJamJdGordon: concerning your shuffle folders patch: does it only shuffle through folders that are directly in the root directory? because for me it always jumps to "Alter Bridge", which is the first folder in my music directory.
15:56:52preglowamiconn: i've set both INTBASE and spurvec in my local copy
15:56:56JdGordonim not sure.. it should randomly choose a folder.. but ye, i keep getting the same file also
15:57:16preglowamiconn: what would a nice spurvec value be?
15:57:19preglowi've got 1, for some reason
15:58:27BHSPitLappydoes the id3 browser work on iPods?
15:58:35amiconnWe need to assign an unused vector number to spurvec, and give it its proper name and reserve the default function
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15:58:55amiconnThere are some more interrupt sources from int controller 2 missing
15:59:06JdGordonPaulJam: u tried the 2nd patch right? not the first 1?
16:00:08preglowamiconn: btw, is SPURVEC offset by INTBASE or 0 ?
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16:00:46dprolinuxstb: didn't work either ... anyone on osux willing to turn a dmg into a tar.bz2 for me ?
16:01:02preglowamiconn: there already is a "Spurious" entry in the vector table, but it's below 64
16:01:07amiconnI read the description as a plain vector number, i.e. 0 based
16:01:12preglowyep, me too
16:01:20BHSPitLappyI've successfully used dmg2iso in the past.
16:02:27amiconnpreglow: Where?
16:02:28PaulJamJdGordon: yes, the second one
16:02:35dproBHSPitLappy: it tells me the archive may be corrupted ... if it's encrypted (how useless) I need a passphrase ...
16:04:31JdGordonPaulJam: hmm... damn... i cant tihnk of a better way to "randomize" it.. i blame rockbox for it not working :D
16:06:08lostlogic*sigh* I've been such a slacker on rockbox coding the last week or so.
16:06:46preglowamiconn: grep for Spurious
16:07:05PaulJamJdGordon: another observation: if i change to the next directory by doing a short and a long press on the ffwd button it goes to the next directory. I.e. in this case it behaves differently than it does when the last track of the folder is over.
16:07:10preglowamiconn: seems like it's only got a string entry...
16:07:56JdGordonPaulJam: is that with it set to yes or random?
16:08:28*JdGordon didnt even know about that shortcut :D
16:08:53JdGordonis it supposed to be able to do that?
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16:09:34amiconnpreglow: Seems the interrupt reservation needs some work...
16:09:45*Febs docks lostlogic's pay.
16:10:40JdGordonPaulJam: it does it with it set to yes no or random.. so im assuming its supposed to do that? so its a diff pice of code that needs to be fiddled with
16:10:55preglowamiconn: but yeah, i can put up a nicer spdif patch some day, but i'm starting to give up making it work for 3.0
16:10:59amiconnSpurious is vector 24 in the string table
16:11:36preglowi don't have time right now, and i can't see it changing for at least a week
16:12:04preglowtoday i plan to prioritise barbecuing and drinking beer, shoot me :)
16:12:45*dpro hands preglow a sixpack and pats back
16:13:09FebsSpeaking of beer, how much would it take to bribe you to write the sine wave sweep plugin for me?
16:13:41preglowwhat features would you like?
16:13:53dproFebs: a sinewave sweep ? as in sine generator, bandlimited with variable frequency ?
16:14:09dprofebs: hell use a wave and the pitch ;)
16:14:14preglowdpro: what, a non-bandlimited sine wave generator?
16:14:17preglowdoesn't sound very useful
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16:14:40preglowFebs: if it's nothing too fancy, it shouldn't be very hard
16:14:44FebsThe feature that a plug in could give that a wave could not is that it could display the frequency.
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16:15:20FebsRight. I'm just looking through something like what you find on a home theater setup DVD ...
16:15:31preglowFebs: you mean the instantaneous frequency or just upper and lower bounds?
16:15:35XavierGr lostlogic: here?
16:16:00Febssweep through audible frequencies and display the frequency that is being played (which is what I suppose you mean by instantaneous)
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16:16:32FebsWhat I picture is this: sit in my car. Play the frequency sweep. Check SPL meter to see where there are problem frequencies. Adjust with parametric EQ.
16:16:47preglowok, so a fairly long sweep
16:16:52preglowi figure this should be easy
16:17:05preglowi'll give it a shot later, if i have time
16:17:10FebsYes, maybe with adjustment as to the duration of the sweep.
16:17:22dproIf anyone is willing to enlighten me on how I can feed the pcm buffer from a plugin ...
16:17:34preglowwell, lots of plugins do, so it should be easy
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16:17:47FebsI figured it would be easy for you. It's probably simple enough that I could figure out how to code it myself, given the time. Which I don't have.
16:17:51*dpro is still in the audio_pause() stage ...
16:18:00FebsBy the way, I'm serious about the beer. :)
16:18:12preglowFebs: haha, let's see if it gets done first
16:18:21preglowit would be a useful plugin anyway
16:18:48FebsRight. It will become my standard response to the "please share your EQ settings" people.
16:19:28dpropreglow: which rather simple plugin uses sound ?
16:19:40preglownone of the rather simple ones :>
16:19:48dpropreglow: I don't really feel like wading through rockboy code ...
16:20:03dproshame shame so that would also be the first simple one to use sound ...
16:21:02markundpro: metronome
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16:22:15preglowpcm_play_data, apparently
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16:23:00dpromarkun: which doesn't do anything on ipod ...
16:23:10XavierGrReminds me that I have someday to sit and expand the metronome a little bit...
16:23:18preglowFebs: not everyone has spl meters, though
16:23:24lostlogicwait, why doesn't pcm_play_data do anything on ipod?
16:23:31lostlogicor should I say "since when"?
16:24:01dproah here we go ...
16:24:10markunlostlogic: maybe he's just talking about the metronome plugin not working
16:24:10dprochair<->kbd problem
16:24:44preglowFebs: though i could make a crude one using a mic standard mic, of course...
16:24:47preglowit'd be inaccurate as hell
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16:25:54FebsTrue that not everyone has SPL meters, but I think that the plugin would be useful even to those just listening to the volume of the output and listening for sudden peaks or drops in volume.
16:26:08preglowtrue enough, if the resonances are large enough
16:26:12preglowwhich they often are in cars, at least
16:26:41preglowbut i don't know how accurate the freq reading will be
16:26:51preglowthough it should be possible to find the latency, i'd guess
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16:27:35preglowlostlogic: or what do you say? using pcm_play_data, how hard would it be knowing how long it'll be until the audio block will be passed to the dac?
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16:30:59amiconnpreglow: Is the s/pdif recording patch on the tracker?
16:31:02FebsXavierGr, a visual cue would be a nice feature for the metronome.
16:31:12preglowamiconn: nope,
16:31:18preglowamiconn: it's a bit old, though, but works for me, mostly
16:31:27XavierGrFebs: and another tone for measures
16:31:41XavierGrand maybe a tone generator
16:31:51XavierGrand triplets maybe
16:32:11lostlogicpreglow: if you use pcm_play_data, the block should play immediately
16:32:17XavierGrbut first I have to read the code and I am a bit lazy....
16:32:29preglowXavierGr: useful tone generators aren't trivial
16:32:35preglowand i'm shooting for trivial if i am to have time for it now
16:32:41amiconnpreglow: CONDIF_CODEC ??
16:33:07markunAnd a rockbox DTMF generator so you can call people with the rockbox address book :)
16:33:29XavierGrfrom what I guess yes, but I don't know a lot about those things. I must sit and read the metronome code to see how I can adapt it.
16:33:35preglowamiconn: well, if it doesn't complain for swcodec, i haven't picked it up
16:34:00amiconnIt would remove the option from the menu for archos :/
16:34:09preglowamiconn: sure, like i said, not tested for archops
16:34:11preglowarchos too
16:34:29preglowXavierGr: the number of useful waveforms for measuring aren't that large anyway
16:34:56preglowyou've pretty much got sine sweeps and noise variations
16:36:28XavierGrwtf! I have to go to my dentist! :P
16:36:53XavierGrlater all!
16:38:20*amiconn thinks that preglow does have too many unfinished patches sitting around...
16:38:20XavierGrI just hope that it won't hurt!
16:38:37preglowamiconn: no shit
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16:39:55PaulJamI have a problem with a WPS-tag: in the wpsfile i have the following line: %ca, d. b Yc
16:40:23PaulJambut on the WPS i get only: Mo, 08. Mai
16:40:50PaulJamthe year is missing, am i doind something wrong?
16:41:34*amiconn is a bit demotivated :/
16:41:58amiconnEverytime we have a feature freeze, the commit rate goes down. Way down
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16:42:25preglowcertainly seems to
16:42:33amiconnIt seems many (not all) coders don't care about squashing bug :-(
16:43:18preglowi don't mind squashing bugs that affect me
16:43:33preglowbut my fix-stuff-that-i-dont-really-care-about quote has been eaten by spdif
16:43:38preglowand now i've got to go, tata
16:44:53Genre9mp3PaulJam: maybe needs a space between "Y" and last "c"?
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16:45:07Genre9mp3not sure though...never tried it
16:48:40bluebrothersupport questions in the tracker are getting annoying :(
16:49:53bluebrothermaybe the website menu should have a "support" entry which explains how to get help?
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16:53:46Genre9mp3I just added colour versions of iCatcher in the patchtracker
16:53:56linuxstbGenre9mp3: Regarding the %fc tag (you mention it in the patch tracker) - yes, it works for AAC. Look at DancePuffDuo for an example of a WPS supporting all the codecs.
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16:54:23Genre9mp3linuxstb...ok..I was about to test that
16:55:08Genre9mp3But the documentation page about customizing the wps isn't updated I think
16:56:10linuxstbGenre9mp3: It is here: - from MP1 up to AIFF
16:56:13 Quit MagusG (Connection timed out) says: %?fc<mp1|mp2|mp3|wav|vorbis|flac|mpc|a52|wavpack|unknown> but then in the codec order it includes AAC and others...
16:56:40linuxstbYes, I just noticed the first line...
16:56:45linuxstbI'll fix it now.
16:57:43Genre9mp3hmmm...but, I'm not sure if I can add 4 more codec pics (AAC,ALLAC,Shorten,AIFF) for the non colour targets...because of the 52 bmp limit...
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16:58:17PaulJam_Genre9mp3: with the additional space it also doesn't work
16:58:22Genre9mp3I preload 3 more bmps (the lines) for the non colour versions
16:58:29daurnimatorhi all
16:58:36daurnimatordoes any1 know about the gigabeat?
16:58:54linuxstbWhat's your question?
16:59:09daurnimatorwhere can i get one?
16:59:13daurnimatori need a Gigabeat F41
16:59:23daurnimatorand i also want to know, has it been exploited?
16:59:25Genre9mp3PaulJam: I don't know why...never tried the date tags actually
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17:00:36Genre9mp3linuxstb: if I have to leave some codec icons out would be a problem?
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17:00:48linuxstbGenre9mp3: I would say so.
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17:01:31Genre9mp3Would be a possibility for the 52 bitmap limit to change somwhow?
17:01:59linuxstbdaurnimator: What do you mean by "exploited" ? There is a Rockbox port underway for the gigabeats, and they seem to be making good progress, even though they are still in the very early stages.
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17:03:05daurnimatoris there a website with info?
17:03:10Bagderfunny guys on the linux-arm-kernel list:
17:03:17Bagder> > Please do provide some pointers.
17:03:24Bagder> char *ptr;
17:03:37linuxstbThat's just one pointer...
17:03:52dprochar **s;
17:03:54Bagderindeed, couldn't even make a proper reply!
17:05:38Genre9mp3yes...if I add all the codec icons, I will have to leave 2 codecs out for the Mini & H100 versions :(
17:06:48Genre9mp3I can do that!
17:07:07PaulJam_Genre9mp3: maybe you could make the filetype icon part of the backdrop and just write text on top of it
17:08:02Genre9mp3Would be a solution I have to check...I'm worried a bit though for the alignment
17:08:50Genre9mp3but anyway, I can add them all for both colour and non-colour targets after-all...
17:08:56Genre9mp3I just checked the files...
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17:21:17*dpro will try the arm asm patches now and see if the dropouts go away at speed > rt
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17:25:18dproanyone tried this ?
17:27:34linuxstbYes - it's slows things down very very slightly.
17:28:14dprolinuxstb: hmmm not exactly what I'm after :)
17:29:38ender`there should be a big "May cause headache!" warning before playing Doom on H120 :p
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17:36:30Mikachulinuxstb: what about just doing one or the other? (icode or longcalls)
17:38:28goffaanyone have a case reccomendation for the h140?
17:38:29linuxstbThat's the problem - we want icode without long calls and gcc doesn't make it easy. But amiconn seems to be making some progress along those lines.
17:38:40Mikachuah okay
17:38:47Mikachuwhat about just disabling icode then?
17:38:59linuxstbThat's what that patch does.
17:39:07Mikachuso it doesn't remove longcalls?
17:39:46linuxstbYes, it does remove long calls. We don't want them.
17:40:17Mikachuso what i was trying to say was, how does only removing icode but keeping longcalls compare?
17:41:00linuxstbOK - I didn't try that. It should be easy to test, just by not applying the patch to tools/configure.
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18:46:31qwmwhen will rockbox have gamepad support?
18:47:12Genre9mp3qwm: wait first for the USBOTG support...;)
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19:09:59amiconnender`: I will add gamma support to the grayscale lib. Maybe I manage this before 3.0 (in case we postpone further). Should bug-fix the headaches
19:10:25ender`wow, really?
19:10:44amiconnI realised that the various LCD the grayscale library runs (and will run) on have considerably different gamma
19:11:57amiconnWhen using archos as a reference (medium gamma), the H1x0 LCD has lower gamma (= darker gray shades), and the ipod mini LCD has higher gamma (= brighter gray shades)
19:12:18Mikachuhow does brightness, contrast and gamma relate?
19:13:12Mikachuah, gamma looks more nonlinear than the other two
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19:15:40amiconnender`: Yes, really. It will happen. When it happens depends on several factors:
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19:16:46amiconn(1) My own time. (2) How many bugs need fixing before 3.0, and whether others help in fixing. (3) whether 3.0 will be postponed further
19:19:33amiconnpreglow: There's a new comment concerning the m68k-elf-gcc build bug on amd64: "...Not reproducible" (!!!!)
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19:25:58Leardid a quick google and found three different reports on that, all on 64-bit systems... :)
19:27:58Learalso found a note that binutils-2.15 apparantly doesn't have that build error on the 68040-version of libgcc.
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19:38:00XavierGrHello again
19:40:39dproXavier: re (as in re: not 'pe)
19:40:50GargamaleSup peeps
19:41:04GargamaleNot the yellow chick marshmallow crazy things
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19:53:06lushanyone home?
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19:57:59Gargamalelush: No, please dont eat our porridge while we are away, kthx
19:58:11markunlush: you have a problem?
19:58:16lushwell i just had a question or tow
19:58:28GargamaleI might be able to help
19:58:37Mikachui doubt it
19:58:47lushi was curious how the fw on the ipods are working
19:58:52lushare they stable
19:58:53GargamaleMikachu: Thanks for the vote of confidence
19:59:00Mikachujust kidding :)
19:59:03Gargamalelush: Scrolling is slow but stable, yes
19:59:14lushand the ipod video?
19:59:20GargamaleThats what I have
19:59:26lushhow do you like it?
19:59:36lushi have an iriver hp120
19:59:40lushand i love the new fw
19:59:41GargamaleThe scrolling and lack of video support are my only complaints
19:59:46dprogrrr now I finally have short access to a osux machine, but there is no Updates dir in Contents/Resources in the mpkg archive of ipod updater ....
20:00:12*dpro tried 2005-sth and 2006-01-10
20:00:46lushlack of video support?
20:01:04GargamaleCant play videos
20:01:07GargamaleNo video player
20:01:14GargamaleBut you can boot into the apple fw to do that
20:01:21lushthats uber lame
20:01:25GargamaleWhich is what I do
20:01:36lushhow bout the battery life?
20:01:40Gargamalelush: It will be worked on eventually, I assume
20:01:45lushi got an extra 5 hrs with the new fw
20:01:48GargamaleBattery life I find is the same or better
20:01:52dproGargameale: and 1.1 won't play videos right that weren't made with qt pro (or bought from apple store)
20:02:09Gargamaledpro: The rockbox fw?
20:02:19Mikachulush: it's not like it's easy to implement video playing on undocumented hardware
20:02:20dprogargamale: the apple fw
20:02:28lushof course i know the hassle
20:02:44lushi wasnt expecting seamless usage
20:02:52Gargamaledpro: I have found no such behavior, I had no problems with Apple FW 1.1 playing videos I made in ffmpegx
20:03:01dproI _need_ a 1.0 bootpartition.bin but it's not in the updater as described here ->
20:03:28dprowell here it stops after 20 secs, then continues after another 5 but no sound ...
20:03:32lushso then do you still use itunes for song uploades?
20:04:31dproGargamale: what ffmpeg cmd line are you using ?
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20:05:24dprogargamale: see also
20:05:32lushwow when did suport for the iaudio come out?
20:05:46Mikachu2006-03-28: Sound on iAudio X5!
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20:14:57kkurbjunis there an easy way to tell the total plugin size from the map files without adding all the sections up individually?
20:21:26Bagdercheck for plugin_end_addr
20:21:46Bagderand plugin_start_addr of course
20:25:38kkurbjungreat, thanks
20:27:07kkurbjunthe size limit is 512 correct?
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20:27:42Mikachui think most targets, if not all, use that
20:28:31hardeeplostlogic: the pause/stop fix looks good. haven't been able to reproduce the problem
20:29:54lostlogichardeep: it's a hack, but it'll suffice for now.
20:29:58dprohardeep: you mean the previously kind of random delays before it actually pause/resumed ?
20:31:05hardeepdpro: no, the system hang when you tried to stop while playback was paused
20:31:34amiconnkkurbjun: 512KB for all swcodec targets, 32KB for archos
20:32:47kkurbjunok, thanks
20:33:01dprohardeep: ah ok ... I never experienced that
20:34:15dproaaarg ... no matter what switches I use in ffmpeg, I always get freezes and loose the sound in the 1.1 apple fw ... but there is no 1.0 in the updater pkgs I dlded
20:35:49XavierGrlostlogic: I was wandering if you heard the 2 samples I sent you?
20:35:52Learlostlogic: regarding the long seek problem (I think :), have you looked at the todo I added? More specifically, why not simply set cur_ti->start_pos to ci.curpos in initialize_buffer_fill? That's the way it was, before the refurbishing at least...
20:37:02RedBrevaCan someone change from a bug report to a Patch please?
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20:38:10amiconnRedBreva: done
20:38:16lostlogicLear: then you never fully fill the filebuffer, you always leave BYTES_PLAYED_WHILE_FILLING empty, not the _best_ reason, but I hate to leave something like that on the table.
20:38:21godzirrahiya folks... anyone know why my wps file goes away when I turn my 120 gets turned off then back on?
20:38:26lostlogicXavierGr: nope, I suck at life, _hardcore_ lately
20:38:35RedBrevaamiconn: Thanks
20:39:01XavierGrnp, I just wasnt to know your opinion, maybe I am a little bitchy... :P
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20:39:26lostlogicXavierGr: it's still in my inbox marked N so I'll get to it...
20:39:31dproRedBreva: what does it do exactly ? and can it be used on ipod ?
20:39:37Learlostlogic: but don't you get a completely wrong start_pos, when buffering the next segment of a really large file?
20:39:54lostlogicLear: ahhhhhh, that could well be.
20:40:26lostlogicstupid damn tracks longer than the filebuffer.
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20:40:31LearMight explain bug 5305...
20:40:36marc_in_luxgood evening
20:40:44dprolostlogic: hehe
20:41:05amiconnlostlogic: Get used to them, and better fix behaviour for them. :)
20:41:13Mikachumaybe you should run with my buffer sizes to shake some bugs out :)
20:41:19marc_in_luxis there a smart way to create a playlist with the items coming sorted by filedate? I copy podcasts on my player and want to listen to the newest ones first.
20:41:29lostlogicamiconn: oh, I know −− I Just don't have any, and there are therefore more likely to be bugs in them.
20:41:31amiconnThey are standard on archos, and one day we will unify playback engines...
20:44:28dpromarc_in_lux: bash ?
20:44:42marc_in_luxright now, windows.
20:44:55marc_in_luxin bash I know how to do it
20:45:14marc_in_luxbut because I tend to use my windows laptop, I'd rather have the ipod do it.
20:45:19*dpro knows jack about win, screams cygwin, cygwin
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20:45:53Mikachumarc_in_lux: put the date in the filename first?
20:45:54*marc_in_lux wonders if I can just call a bash script in cygwin. but would still prefer rockbox doing it
20:45:57godzirraAnyone have any ideas?
20:46:17marc_in_luxMickachu, podcasts just come with their names...
20:46:31dpromarc_in_lux: you can use bash scripts with cygwin (that's kind of the whole point)
20:46:33Mikachuhence the verb "put"
20:46:33marc_in_luxthere's no easy way in rockbox, is there? I'm new here...
20:46:52marc_in_luxdpro, just call 'bash scriptname'?
20:47:29dpromarc_in_lux: even ./script should work if chmodded +x (cygwin includes bash AFAIR)
20:48:16dpromarc_in_lux: I haven't checked the API but I don't know if the modification date can easily found out by a plugin currently
20:48:28marc_in_luxok, so how do I call cygwin? I actually have it on this machine, but only used for X...
20:49:26dprothere should be a bash.exe somewhere
20:49:37marc_in_luxbash.exe scriptname, then?
20:49:39Mikachuyou'll want to run cygwin.bat in the cygwin dir
20:50:14dpromarc_in_lux: as I said my windos skills suck to say the least
20:50:21preglowamiconn: remarkable...
20:50:26preglowamiconn: i know of several people that could reproduce it
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20:50:49marc_in_luxdpro, so do mine. Except those for fixing things, removing spyware and stuff... those things you need daily ;-)
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20:51:09marc_in_luxbut the man wants me to use it, so I do...
20:52:06amiconnmarc_in_lux: You can sort files in th ebrowser by date, or 'by newest date' (== reverse date order)
20:52:34marc_in_luxamiconn, found that. but it didn't seem to stick when creating the playlist
20:52:40amiconnIf you do this, and do have shuffle enabled, starting a track should build a playlist with your desired order
20:52:55amiconnOh, it doesn't? Hmm....
20:53:04marc_in_luxbut i'll test it again.
20:53:25marc_in_luxwhy would I want to have shuffle enabled?
20:53:52godzirraSo does anyone know why my wps file keeps resetting to the default?
20:53:52amiconnHmm, the playlist mechanism might ignore the directory sort order...
20:54:20amiconngodzirra: Where is your .wps file located?
20:54:36amiconnYou need to put it in /.rockbox/wps in order to make it permanent
20:54:38marc_in_luxehm. To clarify: I want to travel across directories. I have multiple dirs with podcasts, and I want a playlist spanning those
20:54:51marc_in_lux_within_ a directory, it's ok.
20:55:02amiconnHmm, multiple dirs...
20:55:02preglowlinuxstb: did you try the vorbis patch?
20:55:41marc_in_luxbut, I'll do it in bash at the time of syncing. I may even setup rsync to move the podcasts over, when I'm at it.
20:55:51XavierGrOMG there are so many bug reports in the tracker!!!!
20:55:57godzirraahh thank you amiconn.
20:56:06XavierGrAnd many of them seem obsolete
20:56:26amiconnpixelma: Got any freezes today? (hope not)
20:56:52pixelmano I haven't - though trying out wavplay
20:58:44hardeepmarc_in_lux: how are you creating the dynamic playlist?
20:59:05marc_in_luxhardeep: ?
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20:59:49hardeepmarc_in_lux: are you doing a playlist->insert on a directory to create your playlist?
21:00:42hardeepmarc_in_lux: or are you using the auto change directory feature
21:00:47hardeepah, okay
21:00:53tucozbluebrother, around?
21:03:24bluebrothertucoz, just came back.
21:03:48tucozgoodie, do you know how to break a line in the wps tag section (manual)
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21:04:40tucozI use %, but the entire line is written although it exeeds the table limits
21:05:01bluebrotherhmm, I'm on the wrong os right now :(
21:05:23tucozI see. Well, I'll poke around and see what I come up with
21:05:40bluebrotherI'm off for rebooting. Be back in a couple of minutes.
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21:12:23bluebrothertucoz: back ;-)
21:12:32hardeepmarc_in_lux: ah, i see what you're asking. the playlist creation only sorts the files within a directory. the only way to do what you want is to have all the files in the same directory or to have newer files in a directory with a newer timestamp
21:12:47tucozwelcome back, I was thinking if we should use a different font for tags, and config settings.
21:13:08marc_in_luxhardeep, yes, I can see that. Although I want to keep the directory structure.
21:13:15tucozMaybe some verbatim-like font
21:13:18marc_in_luxI'm doing it in cygwin, right now.
21:13:48bluebrothersounds good.
21:13:58bluebrotherI was thinking for something courier-like as well ;-)
21:14:11tucozthats the name I was looking for :)
21:15:01tucozbut maybe define it in the preamble? Like \tag{%pp}
21:15:52bluebrotheryeah, I'd prefer something like this.
21:16:22bluebrotherso we're not stuck to using the same typeface for all coming versions
21:16:34bluebrotherwhat's your unbreakable line?
21:16:48tucozanyway, the problem was that I wanted to reflect the latest change to the wps-tags section (the %fc-tag)
21:17:00tucozwith the different codecs
21:17:49tucozappendix/wps_tags.tex line 45
21:18:01bluebrotherah, I see. There are some types missing in the long description.
21:18:02amiconnpreglow: Does recording use DMA?
21:18:10preglowamiconn: i believe so
21:18:18preglowyes, definitely
21:18:28tucozbluebrother, where is that?
21:18:29amiconnI wonder about the PDIR2 setting
21:18:39amiconn(interrupt when 6 samples in fifo)
21:19:00amiconnIiuc this may cause overflows, as the fifo is only 6 samples deep
21:19:45bluebrothertucoz: line 46.
21:20:00amiconnAlso iiuc, for this to work, the interrupt controller 2 must be initialised somehow
21:20:14bluebrotherit ends with wavpack and unknown, but the list following also has alac, aac, etc.
21:20:15amiconn(PDIR2FULL is an intc2-interrupt)
21:20:32tucozbluebrother, ah. I thought you found the reason to why it won't break
21:20:42tucozyes that is the change I want to make
21:20:54bluebrotherit simply doesn't break because it is a single "word".
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21:21:13tucozI see. So some cheating is in place then
21:21:54bluebrotherI'm just trying to add some hyphens
21:22:04bluebrotherto tell latex where it should break.
21:22:18preglowamiconn: i get PDIR2FULL all the time when enabling the second interrupt controller
21:22:25preglowamiconn: even when i don't enable it...
21:22:31tucozok. Maybe you would like to add those missing things then?
21:22:33preglowamiconn: the PDIR2FULL interrupt, that is
21:22:38amiconnThe recording code does enable it...
21:22:38preglowamiconn: but recording is smooth, bit-identical
21:22:41bluebrotherworks fine, but it produces a hypen on the breaking line.
21:23:05amiconnIf not, how does recording work at all, then
21:23:08tucozWell, that is fine by me.
21:23:11*amiconn is puzzled
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21:23:56tucozcertainly better than having a line of text sticking out of the table
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21:25:14preglowamiconn: well, INTERRUPTEN isn't touched
21:25:19preglowamiconn: so i don't see how it can be enabled
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21:28:18hardeephmmm, how hard would it be to add a new required field in flyspray for bug reports for the Rockbox version being used
21:29:02preglowzagor should know
21:29:24bluebrothertucoz: do you like my changing in line breaking?
21:29:53bluebrotherbut in some way this would be better with a dedicated formatting for tags.
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21:30:25tucozwhat do you think such a \tag macro would be called? simply \tag or something more general, for use with config file entries as well?
21:31:36bluebrotherhmm, I'd prefer something like the \setting macro.
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21:32:00bluebrotherI think config file entries could be treated the same way.
21:32:33tucozyes, I was thinking of something simple, like the setting macro. Just to come up with a name
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21:37:15XavierGrstrange bug that happens sometimes in both H100 and H300: I boot to original firmware and either create a file (via record or USB OTG) or move from my PC a few files. Then when I boot up again to rockbox it takes much longer to boot. Is that known?
21:37:38XavierGrMuch longer = up to 20 or 30 seconds
21:38:08tucozI think your change looks good. With a courier font for the settings %?fc<mp1|mp2...|unknown> it will look even better.
21:38:33bluebrothertucoz: I just commited the change.
21:39:46tucozis \config perhaps an ok name for a macro?
21:40:07bluebrotherI'm not sure if this is used anywhere else.
21:40:24bluebrotherbut apart from this I think it will be ok.
21:40:54tucozhmm. Might be. I'll find some name along that line then. got to go
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21:44:54webguest71lostlogic, are you perhaps looking into this bug ?
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21:53:58pixelmahmm, I want to rearrange the FmPresets wiki page ('continental' sub pages and downloadable fmr-files). With the whole data as text it has become very long and chaotic - any objections?
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21:55:09meph137lo all
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22:01:13meph137mergle furgle
22:01:34meph137nothin really just seein if anyone was alive
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22:01:50meph137i have just started using rockbox!
22:01:56meph137as opposed to my iriver h320 firmware
22:02:00meph137my lord its about 10 times faster
22:02:04meph137and very nice
22:02:27markunjust no video and it drains the battery a lot quicker
22:02:31gursikhMay i suggest that maybe, Rockbox is the awesomest? I think I may.
22:02:50meph137markun: not noticed the battery drain yet, not had it on long enough :P
22:03:08meph137im happy to live with that for the time being being as its much nicer to use
22:03:22gursikhnot to mention all the plugins.
22:04:04meph137wish i could help some, project like this makes me want to, cant program c yet though :( - which is what i presume is used?
22:04:19meph137aye plugins look super duper!
22:04:29meph137might have a tinkle with doom soon
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22:06:57meph137tell u what would be a really lovely thing to have
22:07:19meph137some form of car integration - ive seen the car adaptor option which sounds good but only half the battle
22:07:28meph137wud be lovely to have head unit integration
22:07:32meph137that would make my month!
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22:08:16gursikhthat would make my year, but that is mosly beyond RB i think as it involves some hardware issues.
22:09:00meph137yeh, i agree - very hard
22:09:29meph137i suppose its harder still as rb covers many peices of hardware, no commonality
22:10:03meph137is it roughly the same across the different devices or very different?
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22:11:19GargamaleWhats a chav?
22:11:47meph137usually wears burberry?
22:11:50gursikhas in the slang term chav? LOL.
22:12:21meph137anyone know of a good place to learn C?
22:12:35meph137there are many tutorials on the web I know...not many hands on ones though
22:12:43meph137or if they are hands on they are pretty damn slow
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22:14:05goffameph137: rockbox is pretty much as uniform as it can get across all platforms
22:14:12goffamy h140 and x5l are nearly identical
22:14:47pixelmasince no one has complained I will count that as no
22:14:50gursikhhey goffa, which do you prefer, and why? I have an h120 and have been eyein ghte x5
22:14:52meph137goffa: thats pretty good
22:15:04goffawell... hard to say gursikh
22:15:25goffax5l has better build quality, longer battery life
22:15:30goffasmaller hard drive
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22:15:45goffabetter sound output
22:15:56goffah140 has recording and fm radio implemented now
22:15:59gursikhbetter build quality than the H1xx? I've always thought of the h1xx as one of the much better ones out there in terms of build quality
22:16:00goffax5 you'll have to wait
22:16:13goffagursikh: the metal case of the x5 rules
22:16:24goffanot saying h140 is bad
22:16:36goffabut... you could hurt someone with the x5 :)
22:16:59gursikhMag alloy on the h1xx is pretty solid. I'll have to ifgure out a way to physically play with the x5 i guess.
22:17:15goffayou can't really go wrong with either
22:17:20goffax5 has a color screen
22:17:33goffah140 you can see in direct sunlight
22:17:57gursikhI'm afraid my h120 is about to start dieing. Been over two years now.
22:18:14goffayou can slap in a new hd and battery.. and have the uber140 :)
22:18:27goffaor h180 :)
22:18:48gursikhunfortunetly single platter drives bigger than 30g are not really available
22:18:58gursikhbattery is always doable iguess.
22:19:06goffai don't like the subpack on the x5 either.. nice to have the inputs built into the player
22:19:28goffagursikh: i thought toshiba made a 1 platter 40gb.. i could be wrong
22:19:40gursikhyeah, that seemed a little bothersome, especcialy if you regularly use them for recording, etc.
22:19:56gursikhthey are made, but are not available for purchase anywhere to the consumer.
22:20:05goffayeah... well built in mic works.. but no line in on the x5 (without subpack)
22:20:26goffasomeone had a link.. i lost it
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22:22:08goffathat might be dual platter
22:22:09goffanot sure
22:22:20gursikhit's dual platter
22:22:31gursikhsingle platter is the MK4007GAL
22:23:17gursikhsee this thread on MR:
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22:25:14goffai'm glad i bought tha 140
22:25:34goffabtw.. those are pretty cheap on ebay.. i got mine for just under $200
22:25:40gursikhI regret getting the h120 instead of the h140 all the time.
22:25:55goffaebay it.. you could probably recoup 2/3 of the cost
22:26:51gursikhYeah, It's in very good condition, with all the original everything except the plastic box it came in.
22:28:43goffayep... you could probably do the switaroo :)
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22:31:11goffaSEALED iRiver Remote for H120/H140/H320/H340 MP3 PLAYER
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22:31:45goffathey retail for half that
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22:33:12goffagiving them the benefit of the doubt... that's $53 usd
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22:40:27*amiconn finally got a toslink->mini s/pdif adapter
22:40:53amiconnpreglow: Is there a reason why the s/pdif analyzer only works with the optical _output_ enabled?
22:41:45preglowamiconn: i've asked the same thing...
22:42:02preglowamiconn: SPDIF_IN wasn't defined for h1x0, i guess linus just went for the quick way
22:43:24amiconnThis doesn't have to do with the settings value... but the settings value is what influences function
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22:45:27amiconnpreglow: On a related note, the config registers for intc2 are _all_ zero. I wonder how any interrupt >=0x40 can be fired this way...
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22:45:45preglowamiconn: i've got local modifications
22:45:53amiconnI got PDIR1FULL when doing some experiments
22:45:57preglowamiconn: i can hand you a diff if you want, but i don't know what state it's in
22:46:10amiconn...totally unrelated to audio, btw (!)
22:46:23preglowdo we even use pdir1?
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22:48:37amiconnAfaics we don't
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22:48:48m0nk_hey everyone
22:48:56preglowi think we use pdir3 for playback, and pdor2 for recording
22:49:02m0nk_i was just looking at rockbox...and i was curious
22:49:06preglowother way around
22:49:15m0nk_does it support my gigabeat?
22:49:19preglowm0nk_: not yet
22:49:31m0nk_o ok
22:49:43m0nk_is it in development for the megf40s?
22:49:53markunm0nk_: yes, all F and X players
22:50:23m0nk_w00t w00t
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22:50:39LedByTheReaperhey guys
22:50:39m0nk_i like the sound of that:D
22:50:44LedByTheReaperone question
22:50:53LedByTheReaperhow do i update my version of rockbox to the latest build?
22:51:19pussfellerdownload the cvs and unxip it into your device
22:51:22m0nk_lawl and toshiba tech support told me i wouldnt have a chance in hell getting linux to see the lil bastard:)
22:51:24LedByTheReaperah cool
22:51:28LedByTheReaperso nothing in cmd line again?
22:51:55pussfellerchanges might break settings, possibly however
22:52:02LedByTheReaperi just like the look of some of the new themes
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22:52:25markunm0nk_: well, gphoto has support for some MTP players, but I had no luck so far
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22:52:52m0nk_i see
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22:53:23m0nk_i have a 40gb model.....and only 6gb of music on it
22:53:23m0nk_lol i figured i could use it for backup
22:53:53m0nk_however....most of the stuff i need to back up is on a linux box
22:54:57m0nk_hmmm before i get myself banned.....what are the rules of this channel?
22:54:58LedByTheReapergrr some of these themes dont install properly
22:55:08amiconnpreglow: The only explanation is that the s/pdif power portbit switches power for both transmitter and receiver (the only thing spdif_power_enable() does is flipping a port bit)
22:55:28preglowwell, it does
22:55:37preglowoutput lights up when you want to record in iriver fw
22:55:38amiconnThat means we have to enable s/pdif power for s/pdif recording, unconditionally
22:56:00LedByTheReapercheese for the help
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22:56:30amiconnWhat was the problem again with your recording code, and what did you try to solve it (i.e. your further local mods)?
22:56:58preglowthe main problem was that recording would fail if the signal was lost somehow, which happened in two ways:
22:57:23preglow1. you start recording with no spdif cable connected or no signal in the cable, which will (for me, sometimes) hang the player
22:57:28XavierGrWTF? Which files do I have to edit for the manual before I 'make'. I edit the main.tex file and after 'make' it reverts to what it was.
22:57:41preglow2. sometimes, when you unplug the cable a number of times and reinsert, recording will fail
22:57:54preglowpeak meter dies, and dma status is 0
22:58:10preglowi don't know why this happens at all
22:58:22preglowso i plan to stop recording automatically when i catch the parity/symbol error interrupt
22:58:37amiconnI would expect the recording to stop with no signal, and continue when the signal is reapplied
22:58:47preglowit continues in many cases
22:58:56preglowi can unplug an reinsert many times before recording somehow disables itself
22:59:23amiconnI don't mean it stops literally, but it stops transferring data interface->memory
22:59:40preglowtransport goes on
22:59:42amiconnHmm, strange
22:59:47preglowwith the last values in the fifo
22:59:51amiconnWhat data does it save, then?
23:00:13preglowsometimes zero, some times the fifo never gets refilled and old data keeps on coming
23:00:17preglowi've had both things happen
23:00:47amiconnSame words over and over?
23:00:59*amiconn would have expected the dma being demand-driven
23:01:18preglowi didn't check the data at that time, i just noticed that the peak meter stuck and dithered in one place
23:02:09m0nk_i am going to work on something
23:02:22m0nk_i will be back in here in an hour or so
23:02:22m0nk_peace guys
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23:28:13amiconnpreglow: I don't understand a value setting in your IIS2CONFIG for s/pdif monitoring...
23:28:16amiconnIIS2CONFIG = ((8 << 12) | 0x300 | (7 << 8) | (4 << 2));
23:28:22preglowit's the default playback setting
23:28:35amiconnThe 0x300 and the (7<<8) map to the same bit positions...
23:29:08preglowi just stole it straight from the playback code
23:29:12preglowso don't ask too much about it
23:29:42preglowit worked so i didn't look too close yet
23:32:24t0mashmz... can somebody enlighten me on what "Committing tagcache" means?
23:32:25amiconnEBU1CONFIG=0; is also strange...
23:32:28t0maswhile starting rockbox on an iriver?
23:32:42preglowamiconn: why?
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23:34:22preglowamiconn: most bits in EBIxCONFIG relate to transmit options, and i don't transmit
23:34:28preglowi just want to set the source to EBU1
23:34:37preglowwhich i do
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23:35:33amiconnBut you set CLOCKSEL to 0000b, which means audioclk/16
23:35:58amiconnFoontnote 1 says "IEC958 interface needs 64 * audio sample frequency clock for good operation."
23:36:26amiconnThat would mean a necessary audioclk of ~45MHz
23:37:02preglowthat's the transmit clock
23:37:39preglowspdif is usually 128*sample rate anyway
23:37:48preglownot 64
23:38:06amiconnNo it's 64*sample rate
23:38:17amiconn(~2.8 MHz for 44.1kHz)
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23:38:46preglowok, then why do i need to divide the measured clock by 128 to extract the sample rate?
23:38:55preglowi'm almost 100% positive 128 is the correct value here
23:39:04preglowi've even read it in places
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23:42:31preglowlostlogic: there?
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23:44:16Binary-shadowhi im having some problems installing rockbox can anyone help me?
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23:44:49lostlogicpreglow: barely, sup?
23:45:13preglowlostlogic: when i use pcm_play_data with a callback get_more, will there still be no-latency operation?
23:45:23preglowwhen will it call back for more?
23:45:30Binary-shadowim having problems installing rockboc can anyone help me
23:45:33markunBinary-shadow: which player and what kind of problems?
23:45:57lostlogicpreglow: the callback for more will be called when the fiq or dma tell it to be called (when the previous packet is done), if you _do not_ send it an initial pointer or size, it will call the callback for more immediately
23:46:09Binary-shadowim trying to install it on my 5ith gen ipod
23:46:18preglowlostlogic: ok, so basically no latency, and yeah, what block sizes will it ask for?
23:46:52Binary-shadowand im running the ipodpatcher and its drive 1 but when i put it it in says the device is not read
23:47:00lostlogicwhatever you want to give it −− I think the DMAs have some maximum size, but the FIQ doesn't.
23:47:24preglowriiiight, i get to decide...
23:47:34lostlogicyou... scare me.
23:47:41preglowi should start reading the function prototypes
23:47:53markunBinary-shadow: I don't have a ipod. You could wait till a ipod owner answers
23:47:54preglowi'm used to all audio callback systems telling me what they want exactly
23:47:59preglowso i didn't actually read it, i see :PP
23:48:11lostlogicanywho, I'm off for a while.
23:48:20preglowgot what i needed, thanks
23:48:35Binary-shadowcan anyone help me install rockbox on my 5th gen ipod its jsut a small problem should only take a second
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23:50:08BHSPitLappydon't ask to ask
23:52:08Binary-shadownm i dont think i need help anymore i jsut found an installer on the forums :)
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23:58:39egtrippengot a WPS question
23:58:58egtrippenwith the %?pv tag, is it possible to make more than 10 gradations?

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