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#rockbox log for 2006-05-10

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00:01:40 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:02:21XavierGrmarkun: while you are at it can you close this too?
00:02:24midkayamiconn, hm, no it doesn't, it uses the user's background/foreground color.
00:02:49midkayamiconn, i even tried it by setting a variety of bg colors.. plugins that weren't specific about it (e.g. clock) indeed used my settings.
00:02:55XavierGrthe same appears to be here (close the previous because this is more detailed)
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00:05:01BagderXavierGr: you want powers to do such "cleanups" on your own?
00:05:17XavierGrof course!
00:05:30Bagderthen try now!
00:06:00XavierGrIt just happened that I have some free time and I want to code some bugfixes. I saw those duplicates and reported the,
00:06:17Bagderthat's goodness
00:06:43Bagderit works the best if we all do a little cleaning from time to time, sharing the burden
00:07:34XavierGrI wasn't aware of the 'hell' that resides in the bug tracker. I will try to ease your pain. :P
00:07:42tucozargh. I cannot get this to work. I commited a file that shouldn't have been commited. I got the older the revision from cvs, but I can't get the patch to apply.
00:08:18tucozor miraculasly it worked now, the second time I applied the patch
00:10:08amiconnpreglow: As you weren't around when I asked first: What do you think about my way to get rid of function sections on ipod (w/o dropping functions from iram)?
00:11:51preglowamiconn: i haven't heard about it at all
00:12:01amiconnCheck starting 23:32 and 00:52
00:12:06preglowcan do
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00:16:00*whatboutbob slaps his forehead and rememembers he has 2 h1xx's....
00:16:33preglowwhatboutbob: you got cables enough to patch them together?
00:16:40whatboutbobi'm such an idiot sometimes...
00:16:41preglowamiconn: you know how much effort is involved in fixing gcc?
00:17:16amiconnNot really. Didn't find the place where this decision is made.
00:17:24whatboutbobpreglow: i'll need a toslink to mini converter (or a mini to mini cable)
00:17:44amiconnRather, I found a place which I think might be the correct one, but didn't really understand how it works
00:18:20amiconnwhatboutbob: Use 2 cables, wait for spdif monitoring, and then produce a feedback loop ;)
00:18:28XavierGrHmm I found a bug regarding the remote.
00:18:42amiconnXavierGr: Only one?
00:19:14XavierGrWhe the user changes the scrolling settings these changes aren't applied on the remote until a reboot.
00:19:30XavierGr(On the normal unit the changes are applied as normal)
00:19:34amiconnThe remote should have its own scroll settings
00:19:44XavierGrI agree
00:19:45preglowamiconn: when would spdif monitoring of analogue input be useful, btw?
00:19:56XavierGrI will see if i can make a patch about it?
00:19:58pirokoanyone know where linuxstb is?
00:20:27whatboutbobwhat sample rates does optical ut support?
00:20:34amiconnpreglow: You can monitor what the iriver records with your digital equipment...
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00:21:20preglowprobably doesn't suck any more battery anyway, so why not
00:21:40amiconnCorrect, since spdif power needs to be enabled anyway
00:21:58amiconn(nah, only for spdif recording)
00:22:02preglowi was planning to disable optical out when recording from analogue...
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00:22:21preglowbut it's nice if you've got optical output enabled in options
00:22:25amiconnoptical out should obey the global setting when recording from analog input
00:22:44XavierGralso it would be a good idea to stop optical out when there is no sound output. Like iriver does
00:22:57XavierGrAFAIK currently in Rockbox once set to one it is alwasy on
00:23:19amiconnThen it would need to be handled in pcm_playback.c
00:23:27whatboutbobXavierGr: yup.
00:23:39XavierGrprobably yes
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00:24:00amiconnOtherwise voice or plugin sound wouldn't work via spdif
00:24:38amiconnIt might not always be wise to disable optical out in such cases
00:25:11amiconnIirc there are some spdif devices which need a bit more time to sync themselves to the spdif signal
00:25:17preglowindeed the beginning of the music might be swallowed
00:25:42amiconn_usually_ syncing to spdif should only take a few msec
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00:25:43WileE79GN8 and thanks for your support... (I guess i'll go and get a Gmini - to much hassle with all the battery troubles)
00:26:02amiconn(the MAS datasheet says <50 msec)
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00:34:38preglowamiconn: but yeah, about long calls, it's fine by me to do the rockbox fix
00:36:14preglowi'll love to see the long calls go so much <−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−->
00:36:54XavierGrmorse mode is only for iriver targets right?
00:37:12preglowcan't see why it should be
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00:38:00XavierGrwell on keyboard.c KBD_MORSE_INPUT is only defined for iriver targets
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00:45:51*amiconn now has a retailos-free rockboot.bin
00:46:07amiconnApple loader time decreased to just 2 sec...
00:46:47preglowoooh, i wanna do that as well
00:47:08amiconnJust use an almost-empty bin instead of apple_os.bin
00:47:30amiconnI tested increasing file sizes; the minimum that worked for me was 128 bytes
00:48:23amiconnEvenwhen trying to boot retailos, nothing bad happens. The mini just reboots
00:49:59amiconnXavierGr: Morse input should work for all targets, just nobody got around adapting the morse info screen for the smaller lcds
00:51:50amiconnpreglow: No it was 64byte...
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00:54:08XavierGramiconn: right. I will see if I can fix that.
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00:55:16darklesson the topic of disabling spdif out when not playing... I'd strongly advice against that. I use an external DAC (an AQVOX USB 2 D/A) and from the moment I switch to the optical signal (same as switching from no playback to audio if optical was disabled while not playing), it takes ~ 1.5-2 secs until it has locked on to the signal and I start hearing sound.
00:56:01amiconnYeah one of those slowwww devices
00:56:30darklessand it's not uncommon for highend DACs to be that slow, at least that's been my experience so far
00:56:54darklessalthough I don't know if an $800 DAC qualifies as "highend"
00:57:01XavierGromg which are the sim keys for ipod colour?
00:57:11XavierGris there a page with all sim keybindings?
00:58:20XavierGrah nice Mikachu I thought that this only worked on Windows
00:59:18PaulJamXavierGr: concerning bug #5187 : this happens for me too (with a bleding edge from a few minutes ago)
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01:00:23XavierGrPaulJam: So what exactly do you do to reproduce it? Show in wide mode a very long line?
01:00:26darklessamiconn: the sync-to-signal itself is prob. less than 50 msecs, but the mechanical relay switching on/off isn't
01:00:43amiconnmechanical relay???
01:01:21darklessat least that's what I think it is... it makes a "click" sound and sound appears a short while later
01:01:27*amiconn wouldn't expect a high-end dac to use a mechanical relay
01:02:00PaulJamXavierGr: i just opened a textfile with one very long line (the viewer was set to not break long lines)
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01:02:15darklessthe clicking sound is coming from the DAC itself, it's not part of the signal
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01:02:57preglowrelay in a dac?
01:03:24preglowbut yeah, one pro device i used had close to 500 msec lockon tie
01:05:07preglowbut yeah, sleep time. good night
01:06:35darklessI don't know if it's a relay or not, all I know is that it makes an audible "click" when I plug in the toslink cable to my iriver while the DAC is on
01:07:12darklessand at the same time a light indicator turns on, indicating the detected sample rate
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01:08:32XavierGrPaulJam: I will look on it.
01:08:43XavierGrThanks BTW
01:09:06XavierGrhow on earth do you delete letters when renaming with iPod
01:09:13XavierGrthis thing has too few buttons
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01:09:44MikachuXavierGr: go to the input line
01:12:16XavierGrMikachu: neat, I couldn't have thought of that.
01:14:00PaulJamis it worth a bugreport that the characters "1/4","1/2" and "3/4" are not to distinguish from spaces in the virtual keyboard?
01:14:07XavierGrMikachu: Do you know if the ipods can scroll out of view?
01:14:32Mikachuhow do you mean?
01:14:55XavierGrMikachu: was that for me?
01:15:00Mikachuwho else?
01:15:59XavierGrMaybe PaulJam. :P Well on iriver you can press Play + Left/right on file tree (or playlist view) and all large text will scroll to that direction
01:16:27XavierGrIs that pocible on iPods
01:16:29Mikachuhm, don't know if you can do it manually, but the selected item scrolls
01:16:55XavierGrI can see the option but I can't find the correct keycombo
01:17:13XavierGrMikachu: You have to set the option to ON BTW
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01:19:54XavierGrIt seems that there is no keycombo for it available.
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01:49:59bleakedwill rockbox ever support other filesystems?
01:50:31XavierGrbleaked: if eventually someone codes for it, then yes
01:50:38XavierGrbut currently it is not needed
01:50:53bleakedwell, maybe you can help me.
01:51:03bleakedtake the artist Bjrk
01:51:13bleakedit has a foreign character
01:51:23bleakedand vfat does not seem to like it.
01:51:37bleakedand thus i am forced to make all of my filenames vfat safe
01:51:52bleakedwhich isn't the worst, but definitely not preferred.
01:52:04XavierGrhhmm I think you need unicode
01:52:09amiconnvfat supports everything utf-16 base multilingual plane,
01:52:31amiconnminus a very few special chars, like \ / :
01:52:40amiconn is no problem at all
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01:53:27*amiconn has lots of files with chars like
01:53:34bleakedamiconn. heh, i have a few songs with : in them..damn..but oh well, so how can i correct this issue?
01:53:48amiconnI dunno, I just save the files, and it works
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01:54:24*amiconn guesses bleaked uses linux
01:55:48bleakedis vfat support in linux not so perfect?
01:56:03amiconnvfat support itself should be fine
01:56:15bleakedis it a mounting issue?
01:56:17amiconnbut linux is often a configuration nightmare
01:57:08amiconnHmm, I can see all these special chars fine in linux as well
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01:58:24amiconnI'm not expert in linux mount options, I just let debian automount my usb devices
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02:07:12XavierGramiconn: do you an idea how the virtuall keyboard should be handled by the iriver remote?
02:07:19XavierGradd/ have
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02:42:35XavierGrminesweeper is broken as hell!
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03:27:51scottderdang why is ir so hard to boot in ipdo firmware sometimes...and easy other
03:27:56scottderis it a lunar cycle? :)
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03:31:26BHSPitLappyonly works on waning crescents
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03:38:39BHSPitLappyyeah, and Orien's belt has to be in cosmic alignment with the 8th moon of Jupiter, and the... whatever
03:42:33sharpewhy is it, nobody ever gets it when i compare rockbox happenings to worldly events?
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04:12:20XavierGranyone with an H100 here and optical out?
04:12:56XavierGrI mean to be able to use it, or has used optical in/out
04:13:54suppooptical out works fine on my h120 and h140
04:14:18XavierGrI have a strange experience. This is my first time I use optical in
04:14:41XavierGrWith default firmware when I monitor recording with optical in I get distortion
04:14:43suppoi never tried optical in, only optical out
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04:15:06XavierGrbut when I record the file and then playback, it plays normally.
04:15:17XavierGrI am going to try with my H115 too
04:17:13Paul_The_NerdWait, so what is the problem?
04:17:20Paul_The_NerdOh, with the default firmware.
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04:23:53XavierGrI just tested with the H115 too and I got the same behaviour
04:24:08XavierGrMonitor has distortion
04:24:42XavierGrbut when I finish the recording and then playback it seems fine.
04:25:26XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Can you acknowledge it?
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04:28:32Paul_The_NerdI don't have anything with optical output/input but my H120, so I can't test.
04:29:07Paul_The_NerdWell, actually my stereo has optical out, but it doesn't play CDs any more, so it's useless.
04:29:36XavierGrI though so (I didn't had optical devices) until I turned the back of my crappy DVD player. :P
04:29:53XavierGrIt actually had many ports on the back and one of them was optical out.
04:30:06Paul_The_NerdMy Xbox needs a special cable for that.
04:30:31XavierGrmy brothers PS2 has an optical out too but the device is not here
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04:35:44Jd|unihey all
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04:48:48whatboutbob_CavierGr: I can test optical out tonight (in 6 hours) if you haven't found anyone else by then.
04:50:34whatboutbob_does anyone know what sample rates rockbox optical out outputs?
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04:59:14dongsis it pretty hard to fuckup a ipod mini 1st gen with rockbox?
04:59:26dongsi wanna install it for a friend over remote desktop, any failure points i should look at?
05:00:50blindmake sure you don't mess up
05:01:01dongswell, what is there to look out for?
05:01:11dongsi did my nano 1st time around and there were no issues
05:01:13BHSPitMonkeythere's nothing you can do to screw up an iPod software-wise.
05:01:17BHSPitMonkeythe only risk is losing the music.
05:01:25dongsit can always be factory reset?
05:01:28dongsincase shit happens?
05:01:30BHSPitMonkeythey're 100% always restorable.
05:01:36blindNOT ALWAYS
05:01:44BHSPitMonkeyyes, always.
05:01:48blindno, not always
05:01:53blindi just had to send mine back to apple
05:01:57BHSPitMonkeyI don't include hardware failure in the realm of possibility
05:01:58blindit wouldn't boot in any mode.
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05:02:21blindwouldn't boot in rockbox, original firmware, disc mode, nothing
05:02:23dongssounds like it'll work
05:02:40BHSPitMonkeythough I'm pretty sure rockbox isn't that mature on the mini
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05:07:51Paul_The_Nerdblind: Well, if it wouldn't boot in disk mode then Rockbox didn't do that, because all the steps in that process take place before any of our software is accessed.
05:08:21blindwell then it was a well timed coincidence.
05:09:39Paul_The_NerdWould yours freeze at a certain point, or not power on at all?
05:09:45blindit's so easy to walk TOWARDS my computer in the dark, cause of the monitor..
05:09:50blindbut to walk to the light switch from my computer... scary
05:10:04blindit would turn on, and i would get the infamous sad ipod
05:10:34Paul_The_NerdAnd how would you go about trying to boot it into disk mode?
05:11:07blindselect + play?
05:11:21Paul_The_NerdAnd still got the sad ipod?
05:11:35Paul_The_NerdAnd you've booted it into disk mode before?
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05:12:18hii have a question
05:12:43Paul_The_NerdThere doesn't seem like there should be a valid reason you'd be able to get to the sad iPod logo without being able to get to the emergency disk mode. =/
05:12:44*scorche has never gotten why people dont just ask it
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05:13:07hihow do u play midis with rockbox
05:13:07Paul_The_Nerdhi: Okay, less than 35 seconds passed since you said you had a question. Perhaps you should wait for people to be able to answer, or actually ask the question.
05:13:19Paul_The_NerdYou click on them.
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05:13:28hiit says no instruments
05:13:30Paul_The_NerdYou have to have the patchset installed though.
05:13:39hiwhat patchset
05:13:44Paul_The_Nerd They're linked here
05:16:15hiis timidity alright
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05:17:02Paul_The_NerdIt says "This plugin needs a separate soundset to work. This is available here."
05:17:06Paul_The_Nerdthe word here is a link on the page.
05:17:40hii know but from the way he writes the artivle timidity seams better
05:18:41Paul_The_NerdHe also says that he hasn't figured out their patch format. It'd be a little hard to implement it, if he doesn't know it.
05:19:05hione thing kind of side tracked from this that i think i should point out
05:19:35hipsp coders could OWN ipod coders
05:20:21hiits so true
05:20:44Paul_The_NerdOn what grounds?
05:21:04himore to work with and just more skill
05:21:17blindhow do you figure more skill?
05:21:19hiwifi,mem stick,dual core...
05:21:30hioh more skill
05:21:45hiuses the device more
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05:22:10hii take it i need linux to install this patch
05:22:31blindwhy don't you anyway? :P
05:22:42hii was just wondering
05:22:50hii just have to reboot with the cd
05:22:56Paul_The_Nerdhi: Okay, what makes you think you need linux if it says to use it you simply extract it to the .rockbox folder?
05:23:10hioh the rockbox folder
05:23:24hisry im REALLY new at this
05:23:40hieverything ive done is in linux with the 3 partitions
05:23:53hinever messed with rockbox
05:24:00hitill i figured it out
05:24:23hinovember 17...
05:25:07XavierGrWhat an idiot I am!!!!!
05:26:00XavierGrI said that I didn't had an optical device except my H140 and then I realise that except my DVD player I have another H115 that I can test cross over! :P
05:26:48XavierGrAnd imagine that I bought 2 optical cables today with the thought that I didn't had another device with optical in/out
05:27:19XavierGrWell I can't get distortion on monitoring between H100s.
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05:27:42XavierGrI can't really understand how on earth the DVD player disterted only on monitor.....
05:28:23Paul_The_NerdWas the DVD player outputting at 48khz? Maybe that has something to do with it?
05:28:46hii dont like dvd players
05:29:06hii like blu-ray players
05:29:09XavierGrIt didn't matter whether it was 48 or 96kHz. The distortion was the same....
05:29:39Paul_The_NerdYeah, but neither of those are 44.1 ;-)
05:30:11Paul_The_Nerdhi: I'm anti-anything with as much DRM as they try to load into those.
05:30:42hino i no a way to take drm off of dvd's
05:31:01hiits just mildly consly
05:31:27Paul_The_NerdI was talking about blu-ray disks.
05:32:30XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Ah yes if it was 48 then it should be a problem.
05:32:41XavierGrlet me check again
05:32:47hiyeah i know a way for those 2 seriously
05:33:15higo to
05:33:27hiand look at the av500
05:34:16Paul_The_NerdAre you saying "Use the analog recording features of GadgetX" as a method for that?
05:34:25XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: yup it is either 48 or 96
05:34:45Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: I don't *know* if that's the problem, but I suspect it may be.
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05:34:52XavierGrso how on earth the playback file sounded right?
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05:35:09Paul_The_NerdBecause it resamples the file to play it back, but it probably *doesn't* resample while monitoring.
05:35:10XavierGror now that I think of it....
05:35:30hihopefully i can play midis now
05:35:32XavierGrThe pitch sounded a little weird but I am not sure
05:35:43Paul_The_NerdWell, it's an idea.
05:35:44XavierGrI will have to ask preglow
05:35:54Paul_The_NerdIt could be wrong. :)
05:37:02XavierGrhere we go...
05:37:13XavierGrblue screen of death is imminent
05:37:31his**t load ofbuffer misses
05:37:40XavierGrI am just writing my final message as a huge error window is popped up by windows
05:37:54XavierGrwinlogon.exe application error.
05:38:09XavierGrif I press OK I am sure that it will just BSOD!
05:38:31scorchecould PAPPDSOD
05:38:35XavierGrok lets see.....
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05:41:44XavierGrAs I said
05:41:53XavierGrIt BSODed :(
05:41:54hii have alot of buffer misses
05:42:00hiwhat do i do
05:42:09Paul_The_NerdWait until the midi player gets better.
05:42:20hibut y cant it work
05:42:28XavierGrhi: or improve it yourself
05:42:30hithee must be something
05:42:47Paul_The_NerdWell, I don't know what it is. If you think you know, feel free to fix it and submit a patch.
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05:44:24XavierGrah time to sleep
05:44:33XavierGrgood night everyone
05:45:01XavierGrgood morning prabably: 6.44 am here
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05:51:01whatboutbob_XavierGr: mwaha...i did the exact same thing this morning (realising i had 2 h1xx's to cross test optical)
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07:43:20poolnoodlhi all
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07:46:52poolnoodlanyone else getting pausing when in plugins or just scrolling quickly through menus/song lists?
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07:57:53scott666whats up
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08:13:01RhapsodyIs there a patch or solution to get both SID and MOD files playing on Rockbox? There is a patch for SID and a patch for MOD but it won't allow you to install one after the other and although I tried manually entering the code into the source files, I ended up with SIDs being playable but MOD files not being recognized.
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09:10:50LinusNJdGordon: there?
09:11:16poolnoodlanyone else getting pausing when in plugins or just scrolling quickly through menus/song lists?
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09:12:05markunpoolnoodl: which font are you using?
09:12:23LinusNJdGordon: saw your patch
09:12:34JdGordonwhich 1 in particular?
09:12:36LinusNwith the auto-wps
09:12:43JdGordon:) i just upped it
09:12:46JdGordonu like?
09:12:51LinusNyes and no :-)
09:13:02LinusNit's a requested feature
09:13:04B4gderpeople have whined about that feature since aaaages
09:13:18LinusNbut i think it has to be global
09:13:34LinusNmeaning, it currently only works in the browser
09:13:34JdGordonhow u mean global?
09:14:05LinusNi think it has to be implemented with a SYS_xxx message
09:14:36LinusNbut it's a good start
09:17:06JdGordonu mean call the SYS_ message from the button driver itself?
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09:21:04LinusNwhat i mean is that rockbox should send a SYS_WPSTIMER message to the button queue when the timer expires
09:21:31JdGordonah ok
09:21:32LinusNthen it will be possible to return to WPS from anywhere
09:21:48LinusNnot that easy to accomplish, but it would be nice
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09:22:13LinusNi think the first thing to do would be to implement the mechanism that sends the message
09:22:18LinusNthat is the easy part
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09:26:40amiconnLinusN: Return to wps????
09:27:08LinusNJdGordon: you tricked me! :-)
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09:27:17JdGordoni did not...
09:27:51markunJdGordon: didn't you read the discussion about people thinking WPS is the main screen? :)
09:28:16*LinusN stands in the corner with a silly hat
09:28:28JdGordoni did, and i vaigly rmember ppl not likeing the idea :D im only doing this coz im bored and im useless at bug fixes
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09:32:52whatboutbob_this is possibly a dumb question, but should h1xx remote volume +/- button change volume on the file browse screen? (it currently doesn't but curious if it doesn't work because a decision has been made, or just because no one has gotten to it)
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09:35:47markunwhatboutbob_: we could implement it that way. The gigabeat also has dedicated vol+ and vol- buttons on the player.
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09:37:47amiconnJdGordon: Speaking about bug fixes - text_editor is in urgent need of fixing...
09:37:59JdGordonblame midkay :D
09:38:13JdGordonwhat needs fixing?
09:38:49*petur wants to stuff some wires and water in his h340
09:39:01whatboutbob_markun: i figure its just that way atm cos the button assignment on the remote is different from the main h1xx unit.
09:39:49whatboutbob_petur: i think the ipod battery might die before the 100 millenia is up...
09:40:08whatboutbob_...just a hunch.
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10:01:50ledbythereaperhey gyts
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10:02:01ledbythereaperi've got a problem..
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10:06:01peturledbythereaper: don't be shy, speak up :P
10:06:13ledbythereaperwell i put the lates build on my 5G piepod
10:06:19ledbythereapersorry about ages to reply i'm coding
10:07:05petursame here ;)
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10:07:24peturbut I have the irc on my second monitor....
10:07:44B4gderI never do anything else but chat when I'm here
10:07:53ledbythereaperi'm at college :p
10:07:55ledbythereaperusing the web based thing
10:08:01peturme too
10:08:07ledbythereaperbut yeh, you know on rockbox when you tell it to only show ID3 database
10:08:13peturcompany firewall blocks irc
10:08:19ledbythereaperand then you get the artist, song, year, search stuff
10:08:41ledbythereaperall of that has dissapeared so i just get an empty menu, so i can only play root.m3u
10:08:47ledbythereaperand not choose individual songs
10:09:22peturforce a tagcache update?
10:12:51ledbythereaperdone that 3 times
10:12:52ledbythereaperdoes nothing
10:13:07ledbythereaperim going to reinstall it
10:14:16*ledbythereaper is afk, installing apache
10:14:23ledbythereaperon windows :|
10:14:27ledbythereaperi may open a portal to hell
10:15:24JdGordonthe SYS_USB_CONNECTED msg, its put on the end of the button que right? so its not got to untill the rest o the q is processed first ye?
10:16:15*ledbythereaper stabs windows
10:16:20*ledbythereaper repeatedly
10:16:54peturdon't - you'll make it unstable
10:17:12scorchepetur: unstable isnt made...its BORN!
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10:17:54JdGordonisnt button.c used on the sim build?
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10:29:10ledbythereaperthese college rigs are shit
10:29:24ledbythereapernope still hasnt opened ipod
10:29:36ledbythereaperi'll give it another year...
10:30:55ledbythereaperand i need a new pair of headphones :(
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10:32:22ThreeMthe current version of rockbox for ipod 4gen greyscale dont work. can that be?
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10:33:08ThreeMthe logo of rockbox is shown but notting happens
10:37:16JdGordonLinusN: i got it working from the button driver... cept its hardcoded at 15s... settings.c isnt co-operating to make it changleable :(
10:38:46JdGordon.. and it doenst work in the uisim for some reaon...
10:39:54ledbythereaperwoot it works again
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10:40:30jongthanks for the sw, great stuff!
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10:41:36JdGordonoh crap.. i got it working :D
10:41:41jongbtw, I didn't knew 'moin' was generic internet slang right now. We used it on ircnet on #unix because in a part of germany it is everyday language to say 'moin'
10:41:43JdGordonnot in the sim.. but doesnt matter :D
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10:44:57peturThreeM: using a voice file?
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10:49:21JdGordonamiconn: what needs fixing in the text editor?
10:49:45ThreeMvoice file? im new user of rockbox sorry :) im just install the bootloader and extrackt rockbox straigt to thwe ipod. the version from 2006-05-09 works fine but the version from 2006-05-10 hangs when it shows the rockbox logo
10:49:55petur ?
10:50:21JdGordonpetur: thats the viewer.. not editor...
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10:53:38peturThreeM: please open a bugreport in the tracker
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11:02:17amiconnJdGordon: firmware/drivers/button.c isn't used in the sim. The sim has its own incarnation of button.c
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11:02:36amiconnQuite some code duplication :/
11:02:57amiconnRegarding text_editor, I'll check something to be a bit more specific
11:03:08LinusNJdGordon: i think it would be cleaner if you implemented it in the button interrupt
11:03:09JdGordonhmm ok that makes sence then.. shoudl i edit the uisims version so the patch could work (if it gets added) ?
11:03:54JdGordonLinusN: i put it there coz it needs to check if we r gonna return BUTTON_NONE... isnt that the best spiot for that then?
11:04:06LinusNthen the button_get() and button_get_w_tmo() functions wouldn't be affected
11:04:34LinusNwhy would it have to check for BUTTON_NONE?
11:04:43JdGordondinner time.. back soon..
11:04:49JdGordonhold that thought.. :p
11:06:08theli_uaif my codec outputs in signed 16 bit lowendian .. how should i set DSP settings?
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11:11:31LinusNtheli_ua: is it always little endian, or does it depend on the cpu?
11:12:00theli_uaalways i think
11:12:25LinusNi'm not sure we can handle that
11:12:39theli_uawhat format is suitable for rockbox?
11:12:46theli_uafor pcm buffer
11:12:53LinusNthe natural endianness of the cpu
11:12:57theli_uai see
11:20:06LinusNtheli_ua: iirc, the optimum format would be non-interleaved 32-bit samples
11:20:15LinusNbut i'm no codec guru
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11:30:05preglowtry to use signed 28 bit numbers in natural endianness
11:30:06*JdGordon is back
11:30:24preglowsamples can be bigger, but they'll be clipped at that resolution
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11:34:42JdGordonLinusN: by button interupt do u mean the button_tick() function?
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11:37:31preglowtheli_ua: i just answered your question
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11:38:01theli_uapreglow, i've had connection interrupted ... can you repeat?
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11:44:23tucozHow much detail on the install instructions do you think is appropriate for the manual?
11:44:54tucozThat is, for the irivers? Should we just add a pointer to the bootloader page in the wiki?
11:45:19JdGordonLinusN: the reason it should wait for BUTTON_NONE is coz if a button was actually pressed we dont want it skipped... ?
11:45:51LinusNin that case, you would send two events
11:46:31tucozLinusN, what do you think?
11:47:50JdGordonLinusN: u mean just add the check and que_post(..SYS_WPSTIMEOUT) anywhere in the function? that sound odds to me.. but ok...
11:47:50LinusNtucoz: i'm not sure. i think you could point to the wiki, since you must download stuff from there anyway
11:47:59tucozAs a user anyway would have to go to the bootloader page to get the patcher/.bin file, then it's maybe best to leave those instructions out of the manual
11:48:03LinusNJdGordon: why would it be odd?
11:48:22JdGordoncoz wont the wrong place get the button?
11:48:34JdGordoni dunno.. it sounds wierd..
11:49:04LinusNthe wrong place?
11:49:18JdGordonthe wrong "window".. i guess not..
11:49:55LinusNthe wrong thread?
11:52:02JdGordonwell.. it works.. :D
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12:08:07JdGordonback again
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12:16:54JdGordondamn you evil menu code!!!
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12:20:37LinusNJdGordon: yes, the menu code is the hard part of this adventure
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12:21:08JdGordonive got it so it should exit when the SYS_WPSTIMEOUT comes in.. but its not for some reason :'(
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12:31:38preglowwhat's so bad with that?
12:32:46preglowthe fcntl functions are nicer anyway
12:32:57JdGordondoes any1 know what the SDL define for the backspace key is?
12:33:36preglowtake a guess
12:33:57preglowit's very logical
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12:41:55dprocan anyone help me to understand the current structure of the playback engine (like superficially)?
12:42:37preglowlostlogic, perhaps
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12:48:24amiconnJdGordon: Re bugs in text_editor:
12:48:52amiconn(1) When status bar is active, the room for the status bar is reserved, but it isn't drawn in overview mode
12:49:24amiconn(2) With quite a number of texts, bad things happen at the bottom line(s)
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12:50:42amiconnThere is often an empty line which is 'special', i.e. the inverse bar vanishes on it. If you select it for edit, then accept, rockbox crashes
12:51:23amiconnBelow that special line there is often some garbage, either 1..2 lines from the top of the file (iriver, sims), or real trash (archos target)
12:54:34amiconnRockbox also crashes if you select one of the trash lines, remove chars, then accept
12:56:16JdGordonok, thanx, ill have a look
12:58:27amiconnIt's most likely a NULL pointer problem
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13:00:23amiconn(3) text_editor doesn't obey the default codepage setting, so you can't edit non-utf8 texts
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13:01:03amiconn(4) Very long lines are wrapped at arbitrary positions
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13:02:43dongsmarkun: here?
13:02:53dongsmarkun: about hebrew
13:03:00dongs<iTayb> hebrew should be rtl in ipod as well, but cuz programmers are lazy to change the code especially for hebrew,
13:03:03dongs its ltr there
13:03:12dongsin tha screenshot i did with hebrew
13:03:15dongstext needs to be right-aligned
13:03:17dongsfor track names
13:03:22dongsor dir names etc
13:03:25dongsif its hebrew
13:03:27dongswoudl that be hard to do?
13:03:30markunyes, allignment isn't right
13:04:23markunIf you want your text rtl you probably want the whole interface mirrored
13:04:42amiconndongs: text direction should be correct for arabic and hebrew afaik
13:04:57amiconnAlignment is not, as is the scroll direction for scrolling text
13:05:11markunbut strange that it shouldn't be rtl on the ipod..
13:05:23markunDon't think that has anything to do with us being lazy
13:06:19markundongs: you have a ipod as well, right? I thought you told me arabic and hebrew were rtl for you
13:06:46amiconndongs: What ipod?
13:07:18dongsamiconn: nano
13:07:28dongsmarkun: in original firmware?
13:07:41markunAh, original firmware..
13:07:43dongsamiconn: 'direction' may be correct, but a jew is telling me it should be right-aligned on screen
13:07:46dongsi can check.
13:07:54dongsi guess..
13:07:58dongsthough i don have itunes.
13:08:01dongsor any jewish mp3s.
13:08:15markunWe would need something like a is_rtl function to fix scrolling and allignment
13:08:45dongshm waht about hebrew language file
13:08:50dongsthat doesnt switch the menus rtl either
13:08:58markunIt does
13:09:06amiconnmarkun: I don't think this makes sense. What if some mp3s have hebrew names, and others have e.g. english names?
13:09:06markunJust not the allignment
13:09:23amiconnDo we want to align the lines different? Might look really strange
13:09:26markunamiconn: yes, that would look very nice :)
13:09:57dongs<dongs> what happens if there's like 2 english and 2 jew tracks?
13:09:58dongs<dongs> english ones are normal, hebrew is to the right?
13:09:58dongs<iTayb> yeah
13:10:07amiconnThe menus could be mirrored when an rtl .lng is loaded
13:10:07markunWe should ask jewish and arab people how they prefer it.
13:10:14amiconn(would need a flag in the .lng)
13:10:54markundongs: well, it's possible of course. Does he know how to program?
13:11:02dongsnom but he knows how to complain :D
13:11:50markunThere are some rockbox programmers from israel
13:11:51preglowi can't decide whether i like optical cables or not
13:11:56preglowbut they sure as hell break easily
13:12:12markunpreglow: what did you do to it?
13:12:16amiconnpreglow: How do you break optical cables?
13:12:36preglowdunno, i found the old one i used in a box now, and it obviously didn't survive the last time i moved
13:12:49dongsdid it get frozen?
13:12:55preglowwhen plugged in a transmitter, i can just barely see the red light at the other end
13:12:59preglowno, no cold
13:13:33dongscant imagine what you have to do to kill a optical cable
13:13:42preglowi've killed at least three i can think of
13:13:47preglowand i tend to be careful with stuff
13:14:34amiconnpreglow: Regarding the recording monitor - it striked me that if we monitor, voice won't work in parallel
13:14:42preglowindeed it won't
13:15:19amiconnIs it possible to switch between monitoring and pcm out without disturbing recording? (guess it is)
13:15:51preglowshould be
13:17:04amiconnI expect another problem with my spdif passthrough tests. It might be mechanically impossible to plug 2 optical cables (with toslink->mini adapters) at the same time
13:17:18preglowamiconn: good work, i can't kill recording however hard i try
13:18:00Mikachuamiconn: shouldn't you use a named definef or that 3<<20 too/
13:18:05preglowit might be possible here, i just need to cut some plastic off my adapter
13:20:36preglowbut i haven't got another one, so not much of a point
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13:22:48amiconnIt's already a bit tricky to plug optical in and analog line out...
13:24:13whatboutbobevening all.
13:24:48whatboutbobamiconn: optical cables can be incredibly easy to break.
13:24:56whatboutbobthey're a pain in the arse.
13:25:25whatboutbobbend them too much and they're screwed.
13:26:18whatboutboboh, and past tense of 'strike' is 'struck'. :-)
13:27:14whatboutbobh120 > h140 optical recording works a charm.
13:27:29qwmis there any way to donate without using paypal?
13:28:05whatboutbobi can't get the damn thing to hang at 16/44.1, no matter how hard I try.
13:28:19whatboutbobI'm getting some folks to test at other sample rates.
13:28:23markunqwm: you could transfer the money to Zagor I guess
13:29:00preglowi'll have a new patch ready later today
13:29:03preglowhoping to commit it
13:29:43Zagorqwm: direct transfer is accepted. i can give you an account number privately if you want.
13:29:45*amiconn got the impression that toslink cables are rather robust...
13:29:52whatboutbobpreglow: auto-enable/disable on digital recording entry/exit?
13:29:57preglowwhatboutbob: yes
13:31:03whatboutbobamiconn: not in my experience. :-(
13:31:16qwmZagor: alright. :>
13:31:55whatboutbobpreglow: you think your sample detection code is necessary? Any chance its just mborus' hardware?
13:32:35preglowwhatboutbob: it's the only way i know of to detect sample rates bigger than 48khz too
13:32:44markunqwm: not a lot of IRC standup comedy from you lately :)
13:32:51preglowamiconn: at least i couldn't see any flags in the channel config reg that indicated double rate, did you?
13:33:08whatboutbobi really should just read the manual, but rockbox playback always samples back to 44.1, doesn't it?
13:33:13qwmmarkun: nope, i got bored with it. ;)
13:33:19whatboutbobie there's no way for me to test higher sample reates recording between h1xx's?
13:33:48preglowplayback is always 44.1khz at the moment, yes
13:33:57pregloweven on ipod, where it's not necessary
13:34:04preglowbut that'll be changed
13:34:29whatboutbobipod?...or the line b4 that?
13:34:53preglowiriver has to use 44.1khz
13:34:57preglowor 22050 or 11025
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13:35:02preglowbut those aren't really attractive anyway
13:35:10preglowafaik, ipods have the possibility to use a wider range of sample rates
13:35:12whatboutbobbah...evil white spawns of so and so...
13:36:55whatboutbobi'm pretty impressed w/ my new toslink > 3.5mm adapter btw...first one (of 3) i've had that doesn't cause problems.
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13:37:33ashridahwait. a 1 in 3 success rate makes you impressed?
13:38:10whatboutbobpreglow: any ideas how/if rockbox might give some indication of signal failure during recording?
13:38:37preglowno, but it is possible
13:38:39whatboutbobashridah: well...the 2 in 3 failure rate pisses me off...but lucky for me I've got a bad long-term memory.
13:38:49preglowit's up to you guys that use it to find out how you want it to work
13:39:07preglowcurrently recording will just stop temporarily if the error is severe
13:39:38whatboutbobpreglow: really? that's not what i found? (unless i've misunderstood)
13:40:17whatboutboboh...wait...i think i mean it pauses and restarts when signal is found again...right?
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13:40:21JdGordongood news.. i got the jumping back to wps working from inside menus :D except it jumps to the file browser first which is a bit wierd :p
13:40:56preglowwhatboutbob: not restart, it just resumes the recording
13:40:57markunJungti1234: hi
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13:42:05whatboutbobpreglow: fair correction. does anyone else feel shamed when your command of english is less than those who speak it as a second language?
13:42:42Mikachuthan of those*
13:42:50Mikachui mean hi
13:42:59whatboutbobbastard. :-)
13:43:20whatboutbobi mean hi.
13:43:24Jungti1234markun: Long time no see :)
13:44:53whatboutbobpreglow: my gut says some indication that your recording is faulty would be handy...but I'll check with some more tapers.
13:52:25preglowit would be handy
13:52:29preglowi'm just not very eager to fix it :)
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13:57:46amiconnpreglow: The error counter is increased for every dma error and/or symbol error, parity error etc
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13:57:58amiconnWe just need a way to display it
13:59:14whatboutbobsymbol on status bar?
13:59:36peturthis should be bundled with other recording statistics like clipping events count
14:00:24whatboutbobpetur: like a log?
14:01:09peturmaybe an entry in the recording menu: current stats and a method to reset them
14:01:34preglowamiconn: well, what about the sample rate line?
14:01:43whatboutbobi believe vinylivo's got something similar in mind for his agc patch...
14:02:42peturwhen the recording screen is re-done, we also need a better/bigger recording indicator
14:05:59whatboutbobpetur: agreed
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14:19:33B4gder991488 bytes
14:19:43B4gderthe size of all fonts in a current zip package
14:20:47B4gdertime to make a separate font package
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14:22:48LinusNand include thise unicode fonts in the tracker
14:22:58dproB4gder: good idea since I regularly update but hardly ever any fonts ;)
14:23:04Mikachuit seems a bit silly that every build server sends the fonts back and forth
14:23:08B4gderthe fonts almost nevcer change
14:23:23B4gderand these guys who update every day
14:23:28*petur thinks whataboutbob should donate him a remote :P
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14:24:08B4gderwould that be a separate fonts package or a separate "the whole lot including fonts" package?
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14:24:54B4gderprobably the latter I guess
14:25:07B4gderfor first-timers etc
14:25:09markunjust the fonts would ok to me as well
14:25:31B4gderoh well, I could produce make targets for all three kinds
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14:25:50Mikachuthen you'd still have to have the build servers send the full zip every time/day
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14:26:11Mikachuor you could rezip them at home
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14:26:12B4gderthe regular make zip won't include any fonts
14:26:22whatboutbobpetur: you want one? (seriously)
14:26:35peturwas kidding :P
14:26:55whatboutbob*shrug* I've got a spare (well...2 actually...)
14:27:04peturI can't do that without testing with a real remote...
14:28:30Mikachui'll just let you work it out :)
14:28:40amiconnB4gder: If we separate the fonts, we could even supply more of them. But then the packages should differ for the different targets
14:28:57amiconnNot much sense in providing a 24px+ font for acrhos...
14:29:25Mikachu6px for iPV would be fun too
14:30:36whatboutbobpetur: you under-estimate how much I use the remote. :)
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14:34:52peturdid I?
14:35:39*whatboutbob believes so...his brain may be crack-addled though.
14:36:09peturI can't remember... maybe somebody else did that :P
14:36:33preglowwe definitely need more unicode fonts
14:37:08markunpreglow: dongs made a tool to create a nice unicode font from several ttf sources
14:37:22markunOf course we couldn't ship such a font, but maybe the tool
14:37:31preglowwhat's the result look like?
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14:38:15whatboutbobpreglow: has anyone (err...febs?) tested your sweep generator?
14:38:24preglowi have
14:38:45markundongs: can you give us the link to your screenshots again?
14:38:53whatboutbobhehehe...want another victim? err...tester?
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14:40:30Gandalf21i'd like to try this firmware...but if i want to uninstall it...i can just use IpodUpdater?
14:40:48preglowwhatboutbob: i posted some source yesterday
14:44:21dproGandalf: sure, or you can use the backup of your firmware you made anyway and just put it back
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14:45:00Gandalf21but it can only play rvf movie? or what else?
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14:45:32markunGandalf21: no movies
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14:45:53Gandalf21i have the 5g
14:46:01markunGandalf21: you can dual boot
14:46:09markunSo for movies go back to the apple firmware
14:46:23B4gdersvart:build-iaudiox5>ls -l *zip
14:46:23B4gder-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 984311 May 10 14:42
14:46:23B4gder-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 2194726 May 10 14:46
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14:46:34Gandalf21and rvf what are?
14:46:51B4gderusing make zip, make fonts and make fullzip
14:46:55markunMovies for the archos version of rockbox
14:47:04MikachuB4gder: not fontszip?
14:47:06theli_uawhy can i get such error : /usr/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.2.0-alpha20060408/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld:/home/theli/Projects/rockbox-devel/build/apps/plugins/***/ syntax error ?
14:47:14B4gderMikachu: 'make fonts'
14:47:19preglow4.2.0 ?????
14:47:23peturwhataboutbob: where are you from?
14:47:25B4gderor is fontzip a better name?
14:47:30Mikachuthat was my question
14:47:38B4gdermy too! ;-)
14:47:51markunand make font7zip maybe?
14:48:09theli_uapreglow, what's wrong with 4.2.0 for arms ?
14:48:12Zagorfontzip is better if you actually make the zip, not convert the fonts or some such
14:48:26B4gderok, let's call it fontzip has the fonts in a .rockbox/fonts subdir
14:49:49Gandalf21i installed new versione of Apple firmware....used GoPod....but volume isn't strong :(
14:50:24B4gderI figure we then need to provide both full and ordinary daily packages
14:50:33preglowtheli_ua: well, for one, it's not even close to release yet
14:50:39preglowtheli_ua: it might have horrible bugs
14:50:40B4gderor possibly just point out a recent font zip
14:50:54JdGordonif your p[laying with the makefile.. time to but rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder ? :D
14:50:59theli_uapreglow, haven't got any problems yet :)
14:51:18B4gderbut then that's not controled by the makefile of course ;-)
14:51:30JdGordonworth a shot :D
14:51:37amiconnB4gder: While you're at the buildzip script, could you please exclude the backdrop and eq dirs for archos?
14:52:05B4gdernot easily, no
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14:54:32PaulJamhow does the user know when the is updated without going through the cvs changes? will there be some kind of version number?
14:54:53B4gderwe've bumped font version once
14:55:07B4gderand then all the old fonts become unusable
14:55:23B4gderso it is quite noticable ;-)
14:55:28whatboutbobpetur: melbourne, australia
14:55:45whatboutbob...but aussie post is cheap. :-)
14:55:49peturoh, right next door
14:56:10whatboutbobyeah...i'm pretty sure it goes switzerland, austria, australia...
14:56:19whatboutbob...a stone's throw.
14:56:51whatboutbobseriously though i think it'd be like AU$5...which is like .0001 euros...
14:57:24whatboutbob(btw, i never took geography at school)
14:57:47B4gder5 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 3.029 EUR (Germany Euro)
14:57:59peturGerman euro???
14:58:19B4gderits a country
14:58:42whatboutbobb4gder: didn't just call petur german did you? :)
14:58:48peturEuro's arent' from GermanY
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14:59:00preglowamiconn: btw, how many bytes did the rockbox executable shed when you properly fixed the long-call stuff?
14:59:02B4gderpetur: sure there are Euros from germany
14:59:03CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:59:03*petur is .be
14:59:18B4gderand they use them too
14:59:48B4gder 5 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 3.029 EUR (Belgium Euro)
15:00:02crwlhey, euro is euro is euro
15:00:38Mikachuit prints the country and the currency
15:00:42B4gderby currency hack is based on regions/countries
15:00:53crwlwell, the output looks slightly stupid :P
15:01:16Mikachu% cconv 5 aud to eur
15:01:16Mikachu5.00 AUD equals 3.03 EUR
15:01:19Mikachuyours is more exact :(
15:01:20markunJungti1234: bye
15:01:33peturwoops, payed work is knocking on the door...
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15:01:42whatboutbobpetur: so I'm pretty sure France fits into my home state 7 times...eez not an obstacle.
15:02:08peturBelgium fill fit a lot more :)
15:02:36Mikachueuropeans aren't as fat so the countries can be smaller
15:03:18peturthe american disease is starting to show up here too :(
15:04:01whatboutbobergh...I saw 'Super Size Me' last week...gross....just gross...
15:05:26amiconnpreglow: About 15KB (mini2g)
15:07:16whatboutbobpetur: brittany spears?
15:08:06whatboutbobi'm proud that i spelt that wrong.
15:08:34peturbuttney spears :D
15:10:14whatboutbobpetur: pehaps I'll try Mmm b4 mailing stuff around the world. :-)
15:10:58petursending it back would cost a lot - postage here is bloody expensive
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15:14:36whatboutbobpetur: i *could* send you the remote I stepped on and scratched the hell out of...and i'll never use again. Sounds appealing doesn't it?
15:15:13preglowamiconn: so _only_ static linking is done short-call?
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15:21:30michaelconnerhi all... quick question
15:21:48michaelconnerhow much does replaygain affect battery life on ipods?
15:21:54michaelconner(or does it?)
15:22:01amiconnpreglow: Yes, when building with -mlong-call and the function doesn't go into a special section
15:23:59preglowi want all calls but iram calls short :/
15:24:20preglowbut i guess that would almost certainly mean overhauling gcc
15:24:27amiconnThe gcc heuristics whether a function should be long call is rather bad
15:24:31ThreeMwow, im really impresst what you people done with rockbox. Its soooo much more compfortable, and very useful 4 ipod users. thx to all . and sorry for my bad english
15:24:37midkayamiconn, you said the viewer needs fixing badly, which i am in complete agreement with, and although i've tried re-introducing filepos-saving.. this is kind of holding me back, maybe you have an idea.
15:24:52amiconnIn fact it doesn't depend on the called function but also on the caller
15:25:15preglowif the caller is placed in some non-default section, it should long-call
15:25:20amiconnIdeally we would only want long calls for calls dram->iram or iram->dram
15:25:31peturwhatboutbob: ok I gave in :D
15:25:33amiconn..and short calls for dram->dram and iram->iram
15:25:53preglowi refuse to believe it can be hard
15:26:10preglowif we included the ICODE_ATTR define in all .h files, it should work
15:26:29amiconnThis is impossible to achieve with the current options offered by gcc (function attributes, #pragma, and -mlong-calls)
15:26:45amiconn..and even therein, gcc has bugs
15:27:00*JdGordon prays for malloc and free in plugins... :'(
15:27:45*amiconn doesn't understand what malloc should be good for, *perhaps* except for porting large third-party apps (like doom)
15:28:02JdGordonso linked lists arnt a complete mind rape :D
15:28:25preglowif you think linked lists with no malloc is a mind rape, you need more linked lists experience and should start coding :)
15:28:29amiconnJdGordon: Why would you need malloc for linked lists?
15:28:43Mikachuin rockbox you already have all memory
15:28:49amiconnTagcache and dircache use linked lists, with no malloc
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15:29:08petursoon they'll want to use STL :P
15:29:15JdGordonim doing with pointers in a static array, and its just bloody confusing...
15:29:43preglowamiconn: but my reasoning goes like this: gcc should always assume shortcall, unless it sees that a funtion it's about to call into/out of is in some non-default section
15:29:58dprowhatboutbob: well france is a little smaller than half the size of alaska so you must live in an previously unknown state ...
15:30:39B4gderthat's an unknown US state all right ;-)
15:31:04JdGordonwe aint a yank state.. even if our PM loves bush sooo much..
15:31:15dproah ok - that's the one with lot's of parking space right ?
15:31:45JdGordonyes, and we ride kanagoos to school..
15:31:53amiconnpreglow: Yes, but that's not possible with current gcc
15:32:28preglowJdGordon: i thought you rode dingos
15:33:25JdGordonno.. we use dingos for abortions :D
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15:33:39JdGordonoh noes!! the dingo ate my baby!! :D
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15:34:21preglowbut i gotta go
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15:36:47JdGordonamiconn: iv figured out the problem with the wierd lines at the bottom of files... its adding 40 extra lines which arnt int the file!! no idea why tho.. does rb->read_line() do something "funny" ?
15:39:04whatboutbobdpro: my apologies...i was exaggerating...I meant 'more than 3 times the size of France'.
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15:39:56theli_uai suppose it is impossible to use malloc in plugins?
15:40:21LinusNrockbox has no malloc
15:41:16theli_uaso how can i do something like this: bigmem = (byte *) malloc((unsigned) (0x10000 * (num64ksegs + 1))); ?
15:41:33B4gderallocate staticly for the worst case
15:42:19theli_uaor use something as my_malloc in someplugins?
15:42:40B4gderthat's possible too, just less good usually
15:43:09B4gderyou don't gain anything by pretending we have malloc
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15:44:09dprowhatboutbob: hehe what do I care ... I'm from .at now go calculate ;)
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15:45:39theli_uahm .. rockbox doesn't have rand() too? :)
15:46:13B4gderyes it does
15:46:25theli_uasrand ?
15:46:46*whatboutbob shows his ignorance and attempts to google '.at'.
15:46:49theli_uaoh .. i see .. just missed something
15:47:21*petur likes .at - visits it at least 3 times a year :D
15:48:19whatboutbobmwaha...oh...right...must confess I've only been there for the skiing
15:48:31JdGordonamiconn: ive fixed the first 2 of the text_editor bugs... the 3rd (obeying codepage) i dunno what needs to be done.. so a bit of proding would be nice :D, and 4 is wrapps at 2047 charcters..
15:48:31whatboutbob(which was divine)
15:48:53JdGordonwhere the heck is .at?
15:49:12JdGordonah, i knew that :p
15:50:33*whatboutbob notes he's not the only ignorant Aussie in the house. :)
15:50:56JdGordonspeaking of which... if u look at the credits on the back of the region 4 (maybe other regions) of the ps2 game spongebob squarepants it says austria instead of australia coz some idiot cant type :D
15:51:15*JdGordon is asleep and is excused for minor lapse of intelegence :p
15:51:16whatboutbobdpro: because you care, Austria would fit into Queensland approximately 20 times.
15:52:16whatboutbob...about 19 of those would occupy wasteland...
15:52:39whatboutbob...but its pretty wasteland...
15:52:59ashridahhey, let's not forget the banana country
15:53:05whatboutbob /end parochialism
15:53:47whatboutbobashridah: are there any bananas left after the cyclone?
15:54:07*ashridah holds his hat over his heart and sniffs patriotically
15:54:09JdGordonye, they r in melbourne seelling for $11 /kg !
15:54:54whatboutbobjdgordon: tell me about it! Coburg market is selling for even more than that!
15:55:10amiconnJdGordon: viewer.rock obeys codepage, maybe it could provide some hints?
15:55:14whatboutbob...and don't get me started on avocados...
15:55:39JdGordonok, ill have a look
15:55:46*whatboutbob starts to wonder if he's...err...getting off discussion...
15:56:02Averb is suddendly losing all settings on reboot, is something broken in current builds?
15:57:16whatboutbobah crap, i forgot to ask preglow if he managed to correct that problem with the source being reset from 'digital'. amiconn?
15:59:04peturAve: did an upgrade from an old version?
15:59:52amiconnwhatboutbob: I got the same behaviour. What's strange is that it should work...
16:00:53XavierGramiconn: do you know what will happen if we try to record with optical in a signal over 44.1 kHz?
16:01:10whatboutbobamiconn: i can't figure out when it doesn't save...
16:01:35whatboutbobXavierGr: I'm pretty sure you recorded 48kHz earlier...
16:01:44XavierGryes I am too
16:01:51whatboutbobincreased pitch until you correct headers. :)
16:02:50whatboutbobI believe preglow's upcoming patch *should* fix that (detects sample rate better).
16:03:06amiconnI tried 48kHz. It worked fine, wrote the correct wav header
16:03:18XavierGramiconn: with rockbox right?
16:03:21amiconnThat's without the freqmeas code
16:03:29amiconnXavierGr: Yes of course, what else?
16:03:47XavierGrwell yesterday I tried to use optical in/out with default firmware
16:04:36XavierGrit worked okay with 44.1 signal but once I tried 48kHz monitor was distorted and the recording was pitch shifted (thouh I am not sure I must recheck)
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16:06:58amiconnXavierGr: Monitoring is supposed to be a bit distorted with input != 44.1kHz
16:07:08XavierGrah okay then
16:07:10amiconnSomething with different audio clocks, not sure
16:07:19amiconnThe recording should be fine though
16:07:36XavierGrmaybe I was wrong I must retest about the shift
16:07:43amiconnMy recording wasn't pitch shifted; it depends on what is written to the wav header
16:08:19amiconnThe current patch relies on the channel status bits for figuring out the sample freq, so it depends on whether the source sets them correctly
16:08:39amiconnThe upcoming patch will measure so it should always be correct
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16:09:24XavierGrthen we will have to ask some users to make some tests about the known glitch of the optical recording.
16:09:49XavierGrsome users have reported than using iriver firmware's optical in results in some lost samples.
16:09:54whatboutbobamiconn: care to hazard a guess on the likelihood of ever being able to record 20bits w/ rockbox on the h1xx? 1%, 10%, 100%?
16:10:46whatboutbobXavierGr: I can absolutely confirm lost samples w/ iriver f/w optical recording.
16:11:13JdGordonamiconn: <- damn labeled it as a bug accidently.. should be pacthes.... fixes the major problems... unicode comes later
16:11:18*JdGordon is going to bed
16:11:49whatboutbobXavierGr: ...and I can confirm that recording a 16/44.1 signal with rockbox is bit-perfect.
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16:11:56B4gderJdGordon: I made it a patch entry
16:12:13whatboutbob...and some friends are testing w/ higher sampe rates today/tonight.
16:12:36XavierGrnice to hear
16:12:55XavierGranother Rockbox front shames iriver as a company
16:13:10whatboutbobmmhmm...'ve even got some people bagging out M-audio for its firmware issues with its dedicated 24/96 recorder (MicroTracker)
16:14:46whatboutbob'rockbox does so and so...why can't you'
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16:19:34amiconnwhatboutbob: 20 bits can't use DMA, so we'll end up in interrupt hell. I'd say it's not very likely to happen
16:20:26whatboutbobpreglow/amiconn: I'm noticing a major lag in the load-time of resultant wavs from rockbox optical recording in adobe audition...i'm wondering if its because i've been pulling the plug during recording...
16:20:33whatboutbobamiconn: thanks.
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16:23:52amiconnHeck, I even did the current spdif work out of pure technical interest
16:24:21*amiconn does almost never record for real, let alone record from spdif sources
16:24:44*whatboutbob shakes his head...
16:25:43whatboutbobamiconn: that makes you and hat is off to you gentleman. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; thank you.
16:27:57whatboutbobby-the-by, is there a faq on where rockbox donations go?
16:28:23amiconnWell, this is something in the line of "when the hardware allows it, it has to work in rockbox"
16:28:49B4gderwhatboutbob: I don't think so, but we use the money mostly on HW
16:29:16B4gderand we paid food at the devcon using the fund
16:29:36whatboutbobliving it up!
16:33:41whatboutbobb4gder: i assumed the hw aspect, but I've written a tapers faq for the h1xx. I've already acknowledged the fact that the h1xx is pretty much useless for recording w/o rockbox, and I'm encouraging donations...
16:34:39B4gderwe've paid and sponsored quite a number of target players using donated funds
16:36:17whatboutbob....but ideally I'd like to be able to point to a page that says something a little more informative than 'you're donating money to'.
16:36:29B4gderI understand
16:36:38B4gderperhaps I should write up a wiki page
16:36:42whatboutbobi really hope you don't take that the wrong way...
16:37:25preglowXavierGr: spdif monitoring will be distorted, yes
16:37:32preglownot much i can do about it
16:37:40whatboutbobI'm just trying to raise you guys more money, cos I think you've earned it. I for one don't care where my money has gone. The donate button on the rockbox homepage was enough for me.
16:38:19preglowXavierGr: if the wav is pitched up, then my next patch should fix it
16:39:21amiconnpreglow: Do you know why it is distorted? I'm not sure...
16:40:32preglowbecause i'm using the uda iis clock to drive the output clock
16:40:56preglowyou can't use the spdif incoming clock to clock any of the fifos
16:41:06preglownot as far as i could see at any rate
16:42:31*amiconn doesn't completely understand
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16:42:38B4gderwhatboutbob: here's my initial take:
16:43:15whatboutbobb4gder: christ...will you just let me finish my rant? ;)
16:44:07whatboutbobb4gder: good enough for me.
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16:45:27preglowamiconn: i set ebu1 as source in iis2config
16:45:32preglowamiconn: but that doesn't mean it takes the clock from there
16:45:45preglowamiconn: and as far as i can see, there is no way to clock any of the iis channels from the ebu clock
16:46:00whatboutbobamiconn/preglow: boy...either my puter isn't happy with me...or its not happy with my 'messed with' optical just took ~40 mins to load a 2GB file, which usually takes ~10 mins.
16:46:16amiconnHmm, so it's the clock mismatch that causes the distortion?
16:46:18preglowamiconn: so i always use 44.1khz clock coming from the uda, which will distort noticably at other rates than 44.1khz
16:46:30preglowamiconn: as a matter of fact, it'll distort at 44.1khz too, but not noticably
16:47:09preglowwhatboutbob: heck if i know why
16:47:14Mikachuwhatboutbob: maybe you should use an editor that supports inplace loading of .wav files
16:47:20preglowwhatboutbob: i use the same good wav writing routines rockbox has always used for recording
16:47:45preglowgood old, that is, they're not very good
16:48:05whatboutbobmikachu: 'inplace'?
16:48:22Mikachui think in goldwave it's called flash loading, but i haven't used that in many years
16:48:28preglowwhat is that?
16:48:40Mikachulike instead of copying the whole file, it doesn't
16:48:49preglowthe so-called "loasing" is usually just a peak scan
16:48:50preglownot a load
16:48:55preglow"loading", blargh
16:48:58whatboutboblike it loads 'as is'...?
16:49:09Mikachu40 minutes sounds like it's writing a copy somewhere..
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16:49:46Mikachuit's 850kB/s on average...
16:50:40*whatboutbob suspects that 'cd wave' might be similar to it a shot now.
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16:51:20whatboutbob...but this isn't typical behaviour from loading analog rockbox recordings...
16:51:31preglowthen check out the header to see if it's right
16:51:35preglownot much apart from the header can be wrong
16:52:00preglowand are you sure it's actually using 40 minutes? it might just report that as a result from a faulty header field, but then actually use far less time
16:52:01whatboutbobis there a way to view header w/o opening the file?
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16:52:22Mikachutry 'file' in cygwin
16:52:27preglowi believe cool edit/audition lets you view the header directly
16:52:28whatboutbobpreglow: the file has been slooooowly loading for 30 mins.
16:54:08whatboutbobheader info looks ok in audition. don't worry guys...i haven't restarted the puter in a few days...i'll report back if it continues to be an issue.
16:54:28whatboutbob(jus finished now)
16:54:40whatboutbobi'm gonna stop typing soon....
16:56:46XavierGrpreglow: my tests were done on original firmware, so I guess the same will apply in rockbox for monitoring right?
16:58:13preglowXavierGr: but original firmware tags your wav files right at 48khz, yes?
16:58:38XavierGrI am not sure about that. I must retest.
16:58:51XavierGrbut the monitring was definitely distorted
16:58:55preglowyes, that i know
16:59:00preglowbut i think it tags the wavs right
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17:00:08XavierGr3rd time I get a winlogon error and BSOD imminent
17:00:14XavierGrI am getting sick of Windows
17:00:22XavierGrI think I will have to ghost the damn thing
17:00:42whatboutbobXavier:Gr: 'bout time by the sounds of it...
17:01:56amiconnHardware problem, maybe?
17:02:10preglowsounds like it's time for a windows reinstall
17:03:38whatboutbobi've got some kinds of a weird-arse conflict whenever i play winamp monitor blacks out for ~5 seconds every 10 mins or so...not irritating at all.
17:04:24whatboutbobthe good news is, after hours of recording, I can confirm auto-split @ 2GB w/ optical recording still works fine...
17:04:27*amiconn has his laptop for >2.5 years now. No windows reinstall at all, it's still the manufacturer's installation
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17:04:54preglowmy windows install started rotting the moment i switched to linux
17:04:57preglowi think it's taking revenge a jealous girlfriend...
17:05:14peturI ran the same w2k install on my previous computer for 6 years...
17:05:16preglowthe last time i booted it, all disk acceses were so slow it was unusable
17:06:06whatboutbobbah....'cd wave' just loaded the same file in ~ 7 mins...damned if i know what audition's doing.
17:06:25preglowamiconn: can you control spdif power for archos?
17:10:37amiconnThere is no separate spdif power... it's coax, not optical
17:11:12amiconnWe can switch spdif to high-z in the mas, but I don't think this'll save anything measurable
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17:15:58preglowahh, right, i forgot that
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17:29:11Genre9mp3Ok..I'm bit embarassed about that...:)
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17:30:22XavierGr[18:04] * amiconn has his laptop for >2.5 years now. No windows reinstall at all, it's still the manufacturer's installation <- amiconn: What sort of usage do you make? I am causcious with windows still I have to ghost a stable image every 3 months at least.
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17:31:51XavierGrpreglow: try to use ghost over a stable image. It saved my numerous times from reinstalling. Windows can break very easy. But from my little experience Linux do that too.
17:32:09XavierGrFirst time I installed Linux I broke the installation within 20 minutes of usage
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17:38:41preglowi don't have a stable image nor enough space for one
17:39:00preglowwhen linux breaks, it's very often possible to fix it
17:39:23preglowin windows you have to be a bloody wizard, since the internals aren't very clear
17:39:25XavierGrpreglow: maybe, but I am a Linux newbie
17:39:53XavierGrI remember I typed a command chmod 777 -R *
17:40:00XavierGrand hell broke loose
17:40:05preglowsounds fruitful
17:40:15preglowstuff like that can be really hard to fix
17:40:23preglowwhich is why you should avoid it :)
17:40:31Mikachuif you are root you can do anything
17:40:38Mikachui'd be impressed if you can break linux as a user
17:40:48XavierGrI was annoyed by the fact that I couldn't write to some files I wanted so I came up with it
17:41:30Mikachu"i thought documents and settings was too long, so i renamed it home"
17:41:39dongsits only hard to fix if you ahve no idea
17:41:59Mikachuespecially when windows says such gems as 'error: success'
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17:44:04dongsoh right and LUNIX doesnt have its share of utterly retarded error messages
17:44:13dongsif youre gonna troll, dont do it in here
17:44:51Mikachui didn't start it
17:45:06Mikachuat least in linux, you can grep the source for the message
17:45:30XavierGrI have to vote for Linux too even if I am using Windows. It is a bad habit I grew up with.
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17:57:58nudelyn"error: success" is usually caused by programs detecting an error and then doing something else before they call GetErrorCode() to retrieve the error number. The something else succeeds and the error number is reset to 0 ("success"). It's a program but, not a Windows bug, though there may be parts of Windows with the bug I suppose.
17:59:45dongsmore like GetLastError().
17:59:49dongsget your windows programming right
18:00:10nudelynthat's the one :)
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18:04:29whatboutbobamiconn: have you got a patch for this?: (remote ticking reduction...maybe...)
18:04:59XavierGrwhatboutbob: this is already fixed
18:05:08XavierGrand included in CVS
18:05:19XavierGrthough maybe on some units there is still remote ticking
18:05:29XavierGrbut with this fix it is reduced as far as possible
18:05:32 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") current build still has noticeable ticking. :(
18:07:05XavierGrdid you set the option to on?
18:07:11whatboutbob(*ticking only noticeable during silence between tracks...but irritating nonetheless)
18:07:13XavierGrwhat target H300 or H100?
18:07:15whatboutbob...and yes...set to on.
18:08:11XavierGrstrange I have 2 H100 and 3 remotes. With the option set to on I can't hear it at all. (and if it is there, it is pretty reduced)
18:08:44XavierGrmy mistake not 3 but 4 remotes (show off mode on) :p
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18:09:42whatboutbobusing e3c iem's (headphones i predominantly use)...i notice it with 4/4 of my remotes...3/3 of my h1xx's...
18:10:00XavierGrI have e2c
18:10:05whatboutbob(that's ranging back over the last month though...)
18:10:25XavierGrwow I thought that it was rare to have 4 remotes but still...
18:11:03Genre9mp3XavierGr: whatboutbob beats you! :-P
18:11:03thegeekI don't get ticking with my h120 + remote + shure e3's'll have me topped tomorrow...i'm donating one to the rockbox (well...partly "my") cause...
18:11:21thegeekbut I use a custom extension cable with a resistor
18:11:27thegeekto eliminate noise
18:11:38whatboutbobthegeek: do go on...please...
18:11:56thegeekgo on about what?
18:12:00XavierGrthe fix you made
18:12:09whatboutbob^^ what he said...
18:12:17thegeekam I the only one confused here?
18:12:18thegeekwhat fix?
18:12:35thegeekI made a cable with a 75 ohm resistor on all channels
18:12:38whatboutbob"extension cable with resistor'///
18:13:09thegeekthis way even headphones with very low impendance (shure e3's have only 27 or something) dont hear noise
18:13:18thegeekI can't get as high volume, but I never need it anyway
18:13:33whatboutbob(one does't w/ shure iems)
18:13:38thegeekI can't really hear the noise unless I use the e3's in a very silen environment
18:14:03thegeekand the noise is not ticking
18:14:05whatboutbobhang can still hear the noise w/ your cable?
18:14:06thegeekjust basic white noise
18:14:23thegeekbut I can only hear the noise when there are no sounds around me
18:14:41thegeekand it's just normal white noise that almost all cheap amplifiers make
18:14:51whatboutbobah...i hear the damn ticking on a train between tracks...
18:15:10whatboutbob(errr...that might need clarification...hehe...)
18:15:37thegeekwell I dont have any problem with ticking;)
18:15:46whatboutbobi hear the damn ticking between music tracks, even while I'm on the train.
18:16:09XavierGrwow that's a lot of ticking
18:16:16dongslol audiophiles
18:16:26dongsi use apple headphones and im proud of it
18:16:44dongsyea. the stuff that came with my ipod
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18:16:49*whatboutbob shakes his head in dongs' direction. :)
18:16:57markundongs: why proud? Because you can pay for an ipod?
18:17:45dongsmarkun: lol, no mine was free. probably because i dont obsess over sound quality.
18:18:12whatboutbobkeep in mind that the e3's have about 30dB isolation if I'm not mistaken (its been a while since i've seen the figures)...
18:18:14dongsa shitty earphone sounds same to me as $500 piece. and i'd rather have something with open ears so i can pay attention to around me
18:18:38whatboutbobdown with the outside world i say!
18:19:45whatboutbobthegeek: mind if I pm you on the forum to get more details about your cable?
18:19:52XavierGrok time to push the yes button on the winlogon error and get the BSOD
18:19:58Genre9mp3About the E3c's...They seem smaller than E2 in the pics I've seen. Is this true?
18:20:01XavierGrthen I will restore an older ghost image
18:20:11XavierGrbye all
18:20:13*whatboutbob waves goodbye to Xav...
18:20:30XavierGrok here we go
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18:21:02whatboutbobgenre9mp3: sorry...never had the e2's so i don't know.
18:22:16Genre9mp3I'm a bit worried about how comfort they are (E2)...Are the E3 comfort enough/easy to wear?
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18:25:28whatboutbobi find the e3's extremely comfortable to wear in ear for long periods of time.
18:25:55whatboutbobthey're bloody annoying to wear in a work environment where you have to pull them out every 3 mins...
18:26:10thegeekwhatboutbob : no problem
18:26:16thegeekbut there is really no more details at all
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18:26:39thegeekit's just a simple extension with a resistor on each cable
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18:27:11whatboutbobthegeek: 'each cable'...there's more than one (see...I'm simple-minded).
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18:27:30thegeekthere are 3 cables ofcourse
18:27:35thegeekleft right and ground
18:28:22whatboutbob...and do you know if 75ohms is optimal?
18:28:30thegeekI tried 50 and 100 too
18:28:46thegeekwith 50 I could still hear some white noise
18:28:57thegeekand 100 only removed more volume you've just got a 3.5mm plug on each end?
18:29:20thegeeka female plug on one and and a male on the other
18:29:28thegeekI placed the resistors inside the jacks themselves
18:29:30whatboutbobor...err...i could hack the headphone extension...right?
18:29:41thegeekwas a very tight fit ;)
18:29:56whatboutbobi can imagine...*raises one eyebrow*
18:30:25whatboutbobwhat sort of resitsor?
18:30:29thegeekI think it would be a lot easier if I had used smd resistors
18:30:42thegeekI think I used 75 ohm 1/4 watt
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18:31:52thegeekcheck out the diy forum :
18:32:03thegeekI think there are guides to making your own cables there
18:32:38thegeekthere is one, but it uses expensive parts
18:32:58thegeekI just used basic plugs, basic oxygen free copper wire and some black techflex
18:36:48whatboutbobk. thanks.
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18:38:41XavierGrahh how refreshing. New OS in 5 minutes
18:39:00XavierGrIf it hadn't be for my crappy mind that restored an older image and I had to restore once again.
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18:57:28Paul_Stupid question I can't figure out: how do I install patches?
18:57:52dwihnoYou download the source
18:57:56dwihnoThen you apply the patch in question
18:58:05dwihnoThen you rebuild rockbox for the specific target using the specific toolchain
18:58:15dwihno(not as) easy as one, two, three
18:58:27Paul_okay - so I do actually have to apply them manually
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19:09:06amiconnXavierGr: (re windows usage) Normal to heavy usage I'd say. Installing and uninstalling software, drivers, etc
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19:09:34XavierGrwow, each time I am about to install something I am concerned about stability issues
19:09:38amiconnFrom my experience it's often possible to fix windows crashes without reinstalling
19:09:42XavierGrbut then again ghost has saved my life
19:10:14*amiconn doesn't use any imaging tools
19:10:27XavierGrit would be a pretty tiring thing for me to see why I get a winlogon error and eventually BSOD
19:11:11XavierGrwhen I finally convert to linux the first thing to make sure is to find something like ghost to be able to restore my OS in a breeze
19:11:42amiconnWith this laptop I only had one case where it crashed quite regularly. Was quite clear that it came from the driver for my usb-to-serial converter
19:11:48amiconnUpdated driver, problem fixed
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19:12:49amiconnThis box is runjning stable for days & weeks. Most of the time I don't even shutdown, but only hibernate. Very nice feature...
19:13:24XavierGrdoes hibernate enable other processes to run in between?
19:13:52XavierGrbecause I am not so sure what this thing does
19:13:56amiconnHibernate just saves the whole system state to disk
19:14:09XavierGrand shuts down completely?
19:14:33amiconn...then powers off. When powering on, system state is restored and you're back where you left off
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19:14:54XavierGrsounds nice. I will try to make use of it
19:14:55amiconn(password protected of course)
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19:23:18Mikachuswsusp in linux, if anyone wonders
19:23:58XavierGrMikachu: any imaging tools for Linux available?
19:24:19Mikachucat or tar i guess?
19:25:06XavierGrtar? isn't this tool for compressing files?
19:25:16Mikachuit's short for "tape archive"
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19:29:06amiconnpreglow: The datasheet confirms that it's not possible to use the spdif input clock as a clock source:
19:29:09amiconn"The clock from the EBU signal is extracted for measurement purposes only. It cannot be used as a clock to
19:29:09amiconndrive other audio interfaces like IIS.
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19:33:39dproXavierGr: what imaging tools are you having in mind ? gimp ? or netpbm tools ?
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19:36:13XavierGrI am talking about complete data copying.
19:36:16XavierGrLike ghost
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19:45:42dproXavierGr: what's wrong with 'dd' then ?
19:45:44Avepetur: I did upgrade from old version, but now suddendly its working again, go figure
19:46:20XavierGrdpro: I havn't really search about it but it seems to raw for a linux newbie like myself.
19:46:24Avethere maybe is some strange correlation between usb cable dis/-connect and losing settings
19:46:55MikachuXavierGr: you could just as well use cat
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19:47:20peturAve: settings get reset if the settingsblock gets changed significantly or if you reset them on purpose. Any other occurence should not happen
19:48:07peturAve: if you find a way to reproduce and the above does not apply then file a bugreport in the tracker
19:48:30MikachuAve: do you mean all settings reset, or just the ones you changed since you started?
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19:52:04Avepretty much everything I could see was reset
19:52:23Mikachuprobably just the config block version then...
19:52:29Aveluckily I had saved my config and could restore it, but it again reset the next time I did file transfers, I have to see about this more
19:52:49Mikachuyou didn't update rockbox then?
19:52:58AveI did
19:53:06AveI dont get the "settingsblock" thing, its just a file no?
19:53:25Aveah ok then
19:53:45Paul_The_NerdAve: iPod?
19:54:16Paul_The_NerdSettings don't save to the config block when you plug in USB either. So if you hadn't shut down properly since you changed them, they wouldn't be stored that way either.
19:54:45Aveoh so they get saved on shutdown
19:56:24Paul_The_NerdThey get written to the config block on shutdown, and I think possible disk spinups. Since the nano doesn't go through the spinup process, I think they're *only* saved on shutdown right now.
19:56:39Paul_The_Nerd"possibly", rather than "possible"
19:58:41dproXavier: I don't really know what you're trying to do anyway but for backups tar or rsync are ok, for direct disk image copy dd is good
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20:00:26amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: In fact I consider this a bug. Plugging USB should save settings before rebooting into disk mode
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20:00:40Mikachui think everyone considers it a bug
20:01:39Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Yes, the USB insert should save setting first. I also think that if settings has changed on a flash based device, they should be written to the config block upon exiting the menu (in my opinion)
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20:04:39amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: I implemented it this way on Ondio (saving settings immediately) back then, but was reminded by others that it isn't a good idea
20:05:00amiconnIt causes more flash wear
20:05:22amiconnInstead, the nano should save on 'spinup' as all other targets
20:05:51amiconnThe nano is the only target that never 'spins up' (in firmware logic). The Ondio does
20:06:26amiconnThere's no reason why it should stay this way, the spinup can be faked
20:08:01Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: If you only saved settings on a complete menu exit (to filetree/wps), after they had been changed, and never saved them otherwise, wouldn't that essentially be a minimum case on saves? Especially if you didn't save settings changed in the quickmenu.
20:09:05amiconnIn fact nano does not only save settings on shutdown, even without faking spinups
20:09:23amiconnIt saves settings on the next ordinary disk access, as all other targets
20:09:58amiconnThis doesn't depend on faking spinups, it's hardwired into ata_read_sectors() and ata_write_sectors()
20:10:21oboamiconn: how does ata_disk_is_active behave at the moment on nanos?
20:10:22amiconnBoth functions will save the 'delayed sector' if it exists
20:10:23Paul_The_NerdWell then, it's odd that people on Nano seem to run into the problem of unsaved settings more than others. Ah well. :)
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20:11:27amiconnNot faking spinups only causes problems for code which monitors disk state, and decides when to save based on that, like the battery_bench plugin
20:12:25amiconnHmm, that also hits playlist_cachectrl afaik...
20:12:58Paul_The_NerdWell, last I'd heard it was explained to me that it happened because of the spinup thing. Clearly, I learn something new every day. :)
20:13:04hardeepamiconn: yes?
20:13:06Aveok I cant seem to be able to reproduce it, I guess it was case of 'settingsblock' weirdness
20:13:48hardeepoh, the nano doesn't spinup?
20:13:54hardeepyeah, that would be a problem
20:16:15hardeepactually, maybe not... does the nano have the directory cache option? (that's what we use to enable the delayed writing of playlist control commands)
20:17:15Paul_The_NerdMost nano users don't use dircache. No real reason to, at all, y'know? Though I guess, no reason NOT to either.
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20:18:57hardeepit doesn't need to be enabled, just compile-time enabled... and it looks like it is
20:19:12hardeeper doesn't need to be runtime enabled
20:19:34klrspzanything new?
20:19:41Paul_The_NerdOh, so dircache needs to exist in the build, not necessarily turned on? Well that's true at least.
20:19:50amiconnThere's no reason for using dircache on nano on its own,
20:20:25Paul_The_NerdYeah, right now it's only beneficial with TagCache, right?
20:20:31amiconnbut there is a reason why someone may still want it. Dircache is necessary for putting tagcache in ram and have background commit
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20:25:25hardeephmmm, does resume even work on a nano currently?
20:26:33hardeepnever mind, it should in most cases
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20:28:00Falco98is anyone here really familiar with the algorithm by which "insert shuffled" (for, let's say, recursive folders) works?
20:28:41Falco98i'm poking around in playlist.c, but the code is a bit too obfuscated [and my C skills likewise rusty] to get it well
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20:29:17hardeepFalco98: sure, what's your question?
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20:31:39Falco98well in a perfect world, i'd like to code up an additional folder context-menu item called something like "insert shuffled folders", etc
20:32:10Falco98where instead of shuffling all songs, it only shuffles the order in which folders are added, but then the tracks therein will play in order
20:32:27Falco98(basically accomplishing the "album shuffle mode" that a few people are clamoring for)
20:32:48Falco98but i'm afraid at this point my programming skills might not be up-to-task
20:33:29Falco98anyway, i've been reading the code, and i can't figure out how the "insert shuffled" command picks what position each track is inserted
20:33:31hardeepFalco98: it would be a little messy because of the recursion... we don't have a complete list of all the subdirectories available
20:33:54Falco98that seems to be the biggest obstacle
20:33:56hardeepinsert shuffled inserts the next track at some point between current playing track and end of playlist
20:34:04hardeepbut that's not what you'd want to use
20:34:22hardeepinstead, take a look at playlist_insert_directory()... that's where you'd want to make the changes you suggest
20:34:29Falco98how about when you "insert shuffled" on an entire file tree?
20:35:00hardeepsame thing, it inserts randomly between 1 and N where N is number of tracks
20:35:03Falco98i'm already in "add_directory_to_playlist", which seems to be the true recursive function
20:35:08Falco98what, it inserts in-order?
20:35:23hardeepinsert what in-order?
20:35:34hardeepit goes through the directories in order and inserts each track randomly
20:36:26Falco98for some reason i thought if i did "insert shuffled" on my root music folder, it would basically be a random-all
20:36:28hardeephmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks
20:36:53hardeepFalco98: yeah, it would be a random-all
20:37:14hardeepsince the tracks are being inserted randomly
20:37:16Falco98oh.. it steps through every track (recursively) inserting *that track* into a random position in the playlist-so-far?
20:37:36Falco98that makes sense
20:38:05hardeepif directory cache is enabled, you may be able to get a list of all subdirectories
20:38:18Falco98i wonder if it would be possible to do that kind of thing for "random folder insert".. it would only need to keep index positions for where each "album" ends
20:39:12Falco98how much more code would that take, do you think? having it create a temporary index list, indexing the album start/end positions for the playlist it's generating?
20:39:13hardeepyeah, that may work
20:39:31Falco98then when it goes to insert the next folder, it picks one of those positions at random and inserts the whole folder in order...
20:40:51Falco98that would completely negate the need for any current directory listing
20:41:14Falco98and wouldn't put any (or much?) more stress on the system than the current "insert shuffled"
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20:41:38hardeepi don't think it would be all that hard to add actually
20:42:04hardeepjust thinking if there are any corner cases you'd need to watch out for
20:42:21Falco98maybe some really weird ones
20:42:34Falco98but as long as the "index" idea handles "first" and "last" cases well..
20:42:55hardeepeasiest way would be to limit the number of directories to a few hundred so that you could just use the stack for storage
20:43:14Falco98the big problem i can think of is it would require fucking with the current way the recursive function determines a random position.. but then again, i'm new enough to this code so it may be easier than i think
20:43:33Falco98well the H140 says it only handles 2000 folders anyway
20:43:37hardeepyou wouldn't want to use the insert_shuffled option
20:43:45Paul_The_NerdYou don't even need to save end-indexes for albums
20:43:46Falco98and the "index" would only thus be 200 or so integers
20:43:48Paul_The_NerdJust star-indexes
20:43:58Paul_The_NerdThen, when randomly inserting, you do it at "random start-1"
20:44:09hardeepinstead, you would specify an exact position
20:44:14Falco98well when i mention start-and-end i am only being complete :-P
20:45:00Paul_The_NerdBut all ends are going to be start-1 of the next one anyway. Save on a bit of storage. ;-) The only problem case there is if it's the start of the first album, or if you want to place it after the last one.
20:45:40Falco98really all you need is a list of numbers separated by .. arbitrary non-integer (whitespace, newline, comma)
20:45:54hardeepi think an array would be easier
20:46:14Falco98oh i guess the index list would change every time something is inserted in the middle though
20:46:29hardeepkeep track what albums have been inserted where
20:46:30Falco98yeah an array makes more sense
20:46:37klrspzmy settings were wiped :(
20:46:40hardeepand then randomly choose a "slot" for the next album
20:46:50Falco98at this point i'm still thinking visually instead of code :-P
20:46:56hardeep(somewhere between beginning and last album)
20:47:54Falco98so what would the array contain.. just the number of tracks on each album?
20:48:23hardeepindex where either the first or last track of the album is located
20:48:28hardeepin the playlist
20:48:40Falco98and when you choose a "slot", you tell it to insert the tracks at array[0] + array[1] .... +array [i]
20:48:54klrspzdoes the latest CVS build wipe configs?
20:49:06hardeepno, it would be array[slot]+1, array[slot]+2, etc
20:49:23Falco98klrspz: i think so.. you should save your settings by doing "write .cfg" before you update to latest build
20:49:43klrspzyeah, i had an older one luckily.. but stil gotta make some changes... oh well..
20:49:55Falco98hardeep: but then when a new album is inserted somewhere in the middle, wouldn't all the other array members need to be shifted?
20:50:12hardeepFalco98: yes, that's the idea
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20:51:02hardeepkeeping a count wouldn't save you much, either way you would need to count all elements
20:51:08hardeepboth ways work fine though
20:51:10Falco98wouldn't it be less processor intensive to have the array value be the number of tracks in that album, and do a summation of 0 -> i to get the index value for insertion?
20:51:22Falco98i suppose you're right
20:51:37Falco98i'm thinking of putting a bounty on this :-P
20:51:50Falco98since i don't think i could ever quite handle the programming job myself
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20:52:54Falco98BTW i've submitted it to flyspray, an hour or so ago
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20:53:41Falco98ooh someone has commented too :-D
20:54:52Falco98Falco98: testing
20:57:53Falco98hardeep: do you think you could take a stab at it? i'd be unbelievably grateful
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20:59:11hardeepnot right now but maybe after the 3.0 release
20:59:56Falco98how's work on that going?
21:00:31Falco98[i didn't even realize 3.0 was due until i noticed some commotion in the forums yesterday]
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21:08:05lookupi have a question, where do i put my music files?
21:08:13Paul_The_NerdPeople seem to think 3.0 will magically solve all the world's problems
21:08:19lookupfor rockbox on a 4g ipod
21:08:24Paul_The_Nerdlookup: I don't understand the question... you put them wherever you want.
21:08:33lookupo ok
21:08:59Falco98personally i put them in Music/artist/album/
21:09:03klrspzlookup, i put them in the root.. i have a folder for songs, a folder for audio books,
21:09:04Falco98but that's completely up to you
21:09:27klrspzthen i tell RB to only show supported files
21:09:39Falco98paul_the_nerd: i admit it will be nice, at least, having an "official" iriver release
21:09:56Falco98even though i suppose it won't make much of a real difference
21:10:30Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Yeah, but people seemed to think we were somehow "holding out" when it wasn't out on the 1st.
21:10:54Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Even though if we had released on the 1st it would've been exactly the same as essentially the daily build for that day, plus maybe an installer to make it a bit easier to install.
21:11:30Falco98oh, an iriver installer?
21:11:35Falco98what would it do, per se?
21:12:26Paul_The_NerdProbably ask you to point it at a firmware.hex, patch it for you, copy the patched file, a rockbox.iriver and a .rockbox to your unit, then tell you to turn it on, and upgrade firmware, I imagine. I don't know if it's really been discussed too much
21:12:42lookupmy ipod has all of my music files as different letters without the full name is there anything that i could do? (these are full Albums
21:13:12lookuplike the title of a song would be TREW
21:14:05Falco98lookup: do you use iTunes to transfer all your music?
21:14:14lookupi used to...
21:14:20lookuplol i started using sharepod
21:14:37Paul_The_Nerdlookup: Have you read about TagCache in our wiki?
21:14:53lookuphow do i use it?
21:15:16Paul_The_NerdIt's explained on the wiki page named TagCache, and it sorts your music by ID3 tag similar to the original Ipod interface
21:15:30lookupok thanks i'll go check it out
21:16:00klrspzi hate sorting stuff by id3 tags
21:16:13klrspzesp on mp3s you didn't rip yourself.. you can get weiiiiiird stuff in there
21:16:52Bagderyou can still tag them yourself
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21:17:39lookupi can't find a download for tagcache
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21:19:55Paul_The_NerdYou don't need to download anything
21:20:01lookuphow do i use it?
21:20:20Paul_The_NerdI told you, it's explained at the TagCache wiki page.
21:21:14lookupwhere's the tagcache wiki page?
21:21:36amiconnNow, lets see where thi swill lead...
21:21:38Bagderdid you even _try_ to find it?
21:21:38klrspzhas anyone complained about the bookmarking system? i'm not sure if i should submit a bug-type thing
21:21:53lookupof course i did badger
21:21:56*amiconn acquired a TOTX173 ans some components for building a converter
21:23:01Paul_The_Nerdlookup: Odd, because if you type TagCache into the search box at, the first result is the right one. And if you go to our wiki and type it into the "Go To" box you end up right there...
21:23:08Falco98i just did a simple search for "tagcache" on the wiki (from its front page) and what it returned was unusable
21:23:32Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Yeah, but I didn't ever type tagcache
21:23:51Falco98oh and i did that wrong too.. i typed it into the "go to page:" box
21:24:18Falco98(which is, conveniently enough, right next to a "search" link)
21:24:23lookupjust found it.
21:24:24Paul_The_NerdFalco98: I always typed TagCache. The Go To box isn't a search box. Besides, it also points to TagCache in the "Similar Topics" portion if you use tagcache
21:24:40lookuphow will i know when it's done updating the tag cache thing.
21:25:19Paul_The_Nerdlookup: When it stops accessing the disk.
21:25:31klrspzor check the tagcache info in the debug menu
21:25:49Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: i didn't realize it was case sensitive, either :-P
21:25:50lookupok thanks a lot guys
21:25:56Paul_The_Nerdklrspz: That's not accurate on all players, I believe.
21:26:11Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Most wikis have case-sensitive page names. :)
21:26:26Paul_The_Nerdklrspz: At least, last time I checked it *was* accurate on my H100, but not on my Nano
21:26:35klrspzi asked earlier.. but no one answered :: has anyone complained about the bookmarking system? i'm not sure if i should submit a bug-type thing
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21:27:00buraiantoklrspz, what problem are you seeing?
21:27:08Falco98i haven't used bookmarks yet...
21:27:38blindhell yeah, got my brand new ipod from apple today :)
21:27:44klrspzburaianto, when stopping, if i have it ask, the time that i hold PLAY/PAUSE to hit yes/no vs. saving and going to the file manager is impossible to perfect
21:28:19Paul_The_NerdSo, bad button assignments on the iPod relating to that?
21:28:29klrspzthat's part of it, yes
21:28:41klrspzit seems like i have to hold pause for 1.5 sec, 2.5 sec is stop, but 2.51 is stop; ask for bookmark; then go to menu without letting you decide
21:29:21klrspzi removed the asking cuz it was just doing it anyway and delaying me by about 1-2 secs as it popped up that box saying "Bookmark saved" as if i even had the opportunity to decide
21:29:33buraiantoI am having problems with bookmarking, but I don't have it set to ask
21:29:49klrspzwhat probs are YOU having?
21:30:36buraiantoit seems like when there is a bookmark set in a directory, when I later click on a file to play via the file manager then it displays the wps, then exits back to the file manager and says it created a bookmark
21:30:55buraiantoI need to reclick on the file to get it to play
21:31:06klrspzi think i've had that happen to me a couple times
21:31:21klrspzthe bugs are so skitzy in that area that i'm not sure how to repeat some of the issues i've been having
21:31:33buraiantobut my build is a couple of weeks old and i haven't bothered to check if it's still there in newer builds
21:31:45klrspzi just got the bleeding edge like an hour ago
21:31:51klrspzbut i won't be able to test till tonight anyway
21:33:11Paul_The_Nerdburaianto: There are newer builds many times a day in most cases. You should really try a CVS one before even saying you're encountering problems.
21:33:46buraiantoI understand
21:34:25buraiantoI'm not asking for help ;)
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21:36:08lookupi just updated my tag cache, and when i try to play a song, it won't play
21:36:44Paul_The_NerdWhat happens?
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21:37:08lookupit loads as if it were to play but never plays
21:38:10Paul_The_NerdDoes it show the WPS?
21:38:26lookupwhat's wps?
21:38:31Paul_The_NerdWhile Playing Screen
21:38:44lookupwhat does that look like?
21:38:54buraiantoit's what shows up when you play a song
21:39:03buraiantousually has a progress bar, etc.
21:39:07Paul_The_NerdHave you not played *any* music yet?
21:39:18lookupi have
21:39:20lookupone song.
21:39:46Paul_The_NerdWell, the screen that showed while you played it was the WPS
21:40:02lookupthen yes the wps does show up but nothing plays
21:40:07sharpeello peoples.
21:41:05Paul_The_NerdDoes it show progress (the time counts up) or not? Does it show a play or a pause icon in the status bar up top? What format is the song in? Does it show proper tag information on the WPS (Artist/Album/Etc)
21:41:27lookupthe play/pause icon is functional. the time does not go up nor down
21:41:33lookupit does show proper tag info
21:41:35buraiantowhat format is theh song in?
21:42:07sharpeis it just that song?
21:42:11buraiantothe file plays fine elsewhere?
21:42:13lookupall of the songs are like that.
21:42:34sharpewhich target do you have?
21:42:38sharpeer, player
21:42:44Paul_The_NerdCan you play those songs from the filetree, and do they have embedded album art?
21:42:52lookupno album art
21:44:21lookupand none of the songs play now.
21:44:46buraiantoyou mean "none of th songs play now via the filetree", right?
21:44:49Paul_The_NerdI asked if you could play it from the filetree, as in "as opposed to TagCache"
21:45:20lookupit doesn't work from the filetree
21:45:23lookupor tagcache
21:46:24buraiantot0mas: ping
21:46:31Paul_The_Nerdlookup: And these are now included the file that worked before?
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21:47:36Paul_The_NerdAnd if you shutdown, boot up, and try to play it from the directory browser without ever going into TagCache, will it play? *just* try the one file known to work, no others for right now.
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21:49:18lookupit works now
21:49:33lookupbut the title is still different numbers (i.e. 2494
21:49:43lookupthis is from the file tree
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21:50:37Paul_The_NerdWait, so when you run the file from the filetree, it says 2494 in the "Title" portion of the WPS?
21:51:20Paul_The_NerdThere's something wrong with your tags then, at least.
21:51:55lookupok lol
21:52:14lookupwhen i run tagcache, it fixes the title of the song but the song doesn't play
21:52:47lookuponce again never mind
21:52:53lookupit works again
21:52:58lookupit works from filecache
21:53:31lookuptagcache rather
21:53:35Paul_The_NerdOkay, A) There is no Filecache. B) Did you really mean 'Title' as in what it shows in WPS, or just what it showed when browsing to it?
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21:54:51lookupi think all i needed was a reboot
21:55:08sharpenow instead of poetic spam mails, i get spam with the articles of text...
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21:56:45lookupthanks a lot guys
21:56:48lookupi love this thing
21:56:51lookupgood work
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21:57:06sharpewow, apparently i'm a member of
21:57:26goffaheh... i wonder how long it is before they delete your accounts
21:57:36Genre9mp3As I can see, there is a task in the bug tracker about weird retail OS behavior in iriver
21:57:37goffai think i had one in 2000
21:57:43goffaon monster
21:58:01sharpeyeah, but this isn't from, it's from
21:58:36sharpeand a promotional job with the title, "shipping-receiving position" is available for me!
21:58:46goffaGenre9mp3: retail os is our doman? that's new... he he he
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21:59:09Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: How old is the task? The bootloader version hasn't changed in ages.
21:59:28goffasharpe: sounds like an entertaining career :P
21:59:56Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Friday, 28 April 2006, 08:05PM
22:00:03Genre9mp3pretty new!
22:00:09goffaon the resume.. "give me the job, or i'll go postal!"
22:00:19sharpeoh no! the job offerer's website is down!
22:01:08sharpeooh, my starting salary is 70-80
22:01:14sharpeper processed shipment.
22:02:08sharpei should have 2+ years of shipping/receiving experience, i must be hands-on, and a team player with the ability to lift 50lbs. i should also have a stable internet connection at home.
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22:02:37Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Well, at least one of them is using the experimental build. Maybe more. It seems odd that nobody in our forums has reported the problem.
22:03:27Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Yes but it is probably a bootloader issue, right?
22:03:53Genre9mp3How can a build create such a problem?
22:04:02Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Not necessarily. I mean, the H300 bootloader version is essentially ancient. If it was a bootloader problem it *should've* cropped up before now.
22:04:24Paul_The_NerdWell, it depends on where the H300 Retail firmware stores its settings
22:05:34Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, It seems weird for me, too. So a build with some patches can srew up th settings of the retail OS
22:05:45Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: If those settings are say, stored to disk, easily.
22:05:47Genre9mp3Is this possible?
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22:06:38Paul_The_NerdIt really depends on where the Retail OS stores its settings for contrast, etc.
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22:08:11Genre9mp3But, there's a possibiltiy also that this happens with a CVS build, too...but noone noticed something like that before because, who actually uses the original fw?? :)
22:08:20Paul_The_NerdA lot of people do, to play videos
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22:08:47lookupdoes rockbox save my battery life
22:08:54lookupor is it the same with the apple firmware?
22:09:09Paul_The_Nerdlookup: Not on iPod yet. It's actually worse than Apple so far. Too early in its life, not enough optimization.
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22:09:49lookupso this will drain my battery?
22:09:53Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Really, there's no reason for the bootloader to do it unless the bootloader *always* does it, because it should go through the same steps each time, I believe.
22:10:11Paul_The_Nerdlookup: The battery life is worse, as I said.
22:10:55lookupis there a way to re-apply apple firmware?
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22:11:01buraiantoit's still there
22:11:04buraiantoyou just need to boot into it
22:11:06lookupok lol
22:11:12Mikachulookup: it's only slightly worse than apple
22:11:13buraiantohold down the menu button at boot time
22:11:51Paul_The_Nerdlookup: Or 'ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin' (assuming you kept that file), or just remove rockbox.ipod (the bootloader still runs, but should fallback to retail when it doesn't find that file. Usually.)
22:11:55Genre9mp3Yes, but It could be also a CVS thing if it's because of something with the settings...I'm not in my home city now, when I go back, I'm going to have some tests...
22:11:58lookupthat's nice thank you.
22:12:28Genre9mp3Currently I use a custom build and I had similar problems
22:12:44Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: So, what patches are the same between yours and the "Experimental"?
22:13:31Genre9mp3The language was reverted to Korean and when I tried to change the tuner region, everything screwed up!
22:13:47Genre9mp3I have 4 or 5 similar patches
22:13:54Genre9mp3if I remember well
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22:14:18Genre9mp3I'll investigate first if this is a CVS thing...
22:14:30Genre9mp3if not, then should be one of the patches
22:15:25Genre9mp3I don't believe it's the bootloader, too
22:15:37Genre9mp3I was just a little scared...
22:15:47Paul_The_NerdIt's _very_ unlikely that it's the bootloader in my opinion, but I'm not necessarily knowledgeable enough to make that call.
22:16:34Genre9mp3Not that I care about the retail OS of course...
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22:17:22PaulJamGenre9mp3: does this happen often on your player? for me this happened only twice with 1 or two days between. so i could imagine it would be hard to see if it happens with cvs too.
22:18:30Genre9mp3I almost never use the retail OS.. I just read this in the bug tracker and out of curiosity went to see if this happens to me, too
22:18:35PaulJambut i'm using a patched build too, so it can be that a patch causes it
22:18:42Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: The thing is, I've never seen it reported at the Rockbox boards, and I haven't yet read someone confirm they're using the CVS build. With the number of people using it, I'd think someone with CVS would've stumbled across it to. I'm not ruling out CVS, I just am saying what I've seen.
22:19:44Paul_The_NerdBut then, too few H300 users seem to even know about the CVS builds, how to get them, and that we have our own forums. =/
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22:22:15lostlogicMy ears must be getting more sensitive or something. I just had to turn my ipod volume all the way down, and replaygain down to -12 to be able to tolerate music in my office on my E3s.
22:22:37Mikachuthere is a gain setting for replaygain?
22:22:42Genre9mp3Really...where does rockbox store its settings?
22:22:49Mikachui thought that was just eq
22:22:53Mikachuthere i go
22:22:57lostlogicnope they're separate gains.
22:22:59Paul_The_NerdMikachu: There's a replaygain one too.
22:23:17lostlogiccoures this means I can't listen to the files without replay gain tags or I'll be blasted out of my seat.
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22:23:26lostlogic*tags the rest of his music*
22:23:35Mikachuyou could hardcode the gain too
22:23:38buraiantoyou have the same earphones as before?
22:24:20Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: A disk sector, I *think* 63. Or 61. I'm not sure.
22:24:32Mikachuthe first 4 bytes should be RocK or such
22:25:06Paul_The_NerdOne simple test would be to see if Rockbox's settings change somewhere after fixing the Contrast/whatever in Retail
22:25:57lostlogicburaianto: haven't changed earphones.
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22:26:35Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I listen at about -55 (though +3 preamp) at home with open phones these days, it seems. It'd probably be quite a bit less if I had some IEMs of some sort.
22:27:42Mikachui use -25 in school, with the stock ipod phones
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22:29:53Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Would be possible for a patch to store settings other than that sector?
22:30:12Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Can't see why not.
22:31:09*Paul_The_Nerd needs to find a good price/quality balance for IEMs.
22:31:09Falco98so what's a decent program for (fast) replaygain tagging for Oggs?
22:31:25*Falco98 has about 15 gigs of self-ripped oggs to tag
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22:32:28DarkJesusOK, can I ask one question?
22:32:36Mikachuyou just used it up
22:32:37DarkJesusI didn't understand what I read on it
22:32:41Paul_The_NerdI use Foobar2000, but that's because I have a very mixed-format collection, and it was nice to just lump it _all_ together
22:32:54DarkJesusCan I have another (two)?
22:32:59Mikachuyes ):
22:33:11Genre9mp3I use Mp3Tag and The Godfather for tagging my files
22:33:23Genre9mp3mainly Mp3Tag though
22:33:25DarkJesusDoes rockbox support monkey's adio (.ape)
22:34:01Paul_The_NerdAnd it's fairly unlikely that it will on any of the current targets. Too CPU intensive for them, and if I understand very x86-centric
22:34:24DarkJesusWhat would you say is the best lossless codec supported by rockbox?
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22:34:40amiconnlostlogic: Part of this volume weirdness on ipod is very probably the pretended prescaler handling which isn't happening for real
22:34:51DarkJesusNot wavpack?
22:35:03Paul_The_NerdFLAC's codec is faster right now, I believe.
22:35:11Genre9mp3I agree with Falco98...FLAC is probably the best
22:35:30Genre9mp3FLAC is generally faster than any other lossless codec
22:35:34Paul_The_NerdIn fact, it's very hard to make FLAC need to boost at all on Coldfire targets
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22:35:56Paul_The_NerdOn the other hand, I think you can get slightly smaller files with Wavpack, can't you?
22:36:16DarkJesusBut the difference is pretty negligable though, right?
22:36:17Falco98but is wavpack open-source?
22:36:19Paul_The_NerdWhich may actually result in balancing out the battery life.
22:36:31Falco98and does it have limitlessly extensible tagging?
22:36:34Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Well, we use it, and our code is GPL licensed.
22:36:36DarkJesusWavpack is open-source
22:36:36Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Yes...and with APE, too...but as you said.....sligtly
22:36:50DarkJesusSo what would/do you lot use?
22:36:59Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Well, the slightly could balance out for the faster decode time, plus Wavpack has better seeking support
22:37:01Falco98i actually don't know anything about wavpack yet so i'm asking for real :-P
22:37:18DarkJesusI don't have a lot of space to encode all my music in lossless
22:37:23Paul_The_NerdDarkJesus: I use FLAC, but there are sound enough arguments for using wavpack lossless as well. are right about the seeking...
22:37:27DarkJesusBut I could always do it with some favourites
22:37:36Falco98use FLAC :)
22:37:40lostlogicamiconn: what's this about pretend prescaler?
22:37:45DarkJesusBut it will definitely be between those two, right?
22:37:46Paul_The_NerdOne of them being that our wavpack decoder was written by the guy who wrote wavpack. ;-)
22:37:54Genre9mp3but maybe the problems with seeking get fixed soon
22:37:56DarkJesusNo ape?
22:38:09Paul_The_NerdAs I said, we can't support Ape.
22:38:23DarkJesusI have some ape files, but I can always transcode without losing a single bit of sound quality, right?
22:38:32goffayeah DarkJesus
22:38:35goffaflac works great
22:39:03Paul_The_NerdI'd suggest FLAC with 1s seekpoints.
22:39:12Paul_The_NerdAt highest compression
22:39:29goffai'm with paul on that
22:40:41amiconnlostlogic: sound.c pretends to handle a prescaler for the WM* codecs, but it doesn't do this for real
22:41:23amiconnThe code looks like copy-n-paste from the UDA1380, and it looks like it was done by someone who didn't really know what this code is for
22:41:34goffahow is whatsHisName from the forum doing on wma?
22:41:46goffaor has he decided to not share and just drop a bomb?
22:42:11Paul_The_Nerdgoffa: He's progressing. He says it's slow, and has some inaccuracy but that also means he's got it playing.
22:42:15amiconnI I plan to look into this, but it's not a priority right now. 3.0, you know...
22:42:57goffaI'm replacinng my wma as i can.. some of that stuff is hard to find is helping :)
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22:43:50goffatranscoding wma (or any lossy for that matter) is against my religeon :)
22:43:59goffaor should i say moral code... he he he
22:44:21lostlogicamiconn: mm weird
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22:45:29lostlogicamiconn: well I tweaked the code so that it felt right, but you are correct, I don't actually fully understand what it is supposed to be doing.
22:46:19amiconnPerhaps, if I find a little time... and we postpone further...
22:46:50amiconn(I think we will, not seeing any solution for the H300 power issue so far)
22:46:51lostlogicI've been so bad the past 2 weeks, so playback still needs work.
22:48:54Mooswhat are the serious bugs needed to be absolutely fixed before the release (not counting the playback ones) ?
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22:50:55MoosPaul_The_Nerd: I meant *absolutely*, sure unfortunatly will be some of them still left after the release
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22:52:07Paul_The_NerdWell, the 29th is the date at which it will be released despite (hopefully, picking the most stable version from the last few days before that if any new noticeable bugs are introducted)
22:52:52Moos29th will be come quicly :)
22:53:53Moosdon't count to see all this mentioning on this wiki page fixed
22:54:23*Moos tend to be septic with thos things :(
22:55:06*Falco98 is feeling rather septic too
22:55:22*Mikachu sprays some antiseptic around
22:55:34Mooshehe :)
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22:57:30marc_in_luxgood evening
22:58:38marc_in_luxThis may be a dummy question, but it's only a couple days since I started using rockbox on my nano. Is there a setting that allows me to adjust backlight to less than 100% intensity?
22:58:54Mikachuyes and no
22:58:57marc_in_luxthe ipod screen is very bright in a dark room...
22:59:04marc_in_luxMikachu, ?
22:59:10Mikachuthere is an experimental patch in the tracker
22:59:12Mikachunot much tested
22:59:17Mikachuit seems to do the trick though
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22:59:47marc_in_luxwill it go to CVS any time soon? I'm not equipped to compile...
23:00:08marc_in_luxI guess you know how it works, considering you can fade in and out... PWM?
23:00:49Mikachubut it won't go in during the feature freeze
23:00:54Mikachumy yes was for the second question
23:01:00marc_in_luxok, I can see that.
23:01:56marc_in_luxone other question: is there a smart way to switch profiles? I go via menu, manage settings, browse cfg files, select...
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23:02:09DarkJesusQuestion - is ogg pretty much the undisputed best lossy codec?
23:02:21goffaDarkJesus: not undisputed
23:02:23Mikachumarc_in_lux: you can go straight to /.rockbox/configs
23:02:25goffabut... its a good codec
23:02:26Falco98not undisputed
23:02:30Falco98but my favorite in many ways
23:02:33dfktMPC is said to be better...
23:02:42Bagderundisputed doesn't exist in codec land
23:02:55buraiantocan of worms :P
23:03:01DarkJesusIt's better?
23:03:05DarkJesusIn what ways?
23:03:16dfktIt's only supported on hardware by ROckbox, however...
23:03:18marc_in_luxMikachu, just playing that file? It'll recognise? Cool :-)
23:03:19Paul_The_Nerdmarc_in_lux: You can just click on config files, like you do to play music. Store them in the root, or some random folder that you can easily get to them, and you don't need to pass through menus
23:03:47DarkJesusOK, I'm booting into linux
23:03:48Mikachumarc_in_lux: that's what you do when you select 'browse configs'
23:03:53DarkJesusSee ya lot in a minute
23:04:06 Part DarkJesus
23:04:06Mikachumarc_in_lux: yeah, you don't have to keep them in that dir either, you can have them directly in /
23:04:27amiconnlostlogic: I saw that there is code in pcmbuf.c for flushing the buffer. Can't we use that for solving the voice latency when no music is playing?
23:04:47marc_in_luxso smart... thanks guys.
23:05:11preglowamiconn: shouldn't we try to solve it in a way that works well when music is playing too?
23:05:42marc_in_luxwhat's the paypal donations going to be used for?
23:06:41marc_in_luxWhat I hoped. Have a drink on me, then :-)
23:06:51preglowhookers and booze
23:06:55preglowall the usual open source jazz
23:07:05lostlogicamiconn: it's really just a matter of starting the playback at the right point −− after ~1/4s of music has been decoded, where for music we don't start until about a second is decoded, IIRC.
23:07:16lostlogicswitch that first music to voice
23:08:06amiconnThe problem is not the start... it's the missing flush when talk.c:shutup() is called
23:09:59lostlogicamiconn: ah, well in that case, yes, we should use the flush functionality −− I just added it in the new 'correct' way when I reworked crossfade the other week.
23:10:20lostlogicit used to be an abuse of the crossfade system instead of what it is now.
23:15:22dfktI'm looking for "memmem" - I've seen him in the IRC-logs on - does he step by often in here?
23:15:57Bagdermemmem ( signed off 4 months and 20 days ago
23:16:11dfktDamn... thanks though
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23:16:11Bagdernot that often ;-)
23:16:48Falco98ok all, i'm putting a $10 bounty on my feature request
23:17:00Mikachuand what was that?
23:17:06Bagderwow, $10!
23:17:15buraiantothat's a lot of beer and hookers
23:17:16Falco98alot more than $0
23:18:02*Bagder expanded the DonatedMoney page
23:18:03Falco98it's the random-folders implementation i was talking about in here a little while ago
23:18:30amiconnHrmpfz :/
23:18:49Paul_The_NerdBagder: Out of curiosity, what is
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23:18:52Falco98there's a donatedMoney page?
23:18:58amiconnMy coax->opto converter is working, but for some reason the iriver believes the signal isn't valid
23:19:11amiconn(even though symbol and parity are ok)
23:19:20BagderPaul_The_Nerd: ahaha, just an ordinary grocery store
23:19:32MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: it's basically the cheapest crap you can find in sweden
23:19:42Paul_The_NerdAh, I was curious. I suspected something like that.
23:20:06Bagderthey do have a fine enough plastic bag to wrap shirts in ;-)
23:20:19Paul_The_NerdI was like "Surfing dog... I wonder what they sell." It made the trip, so clearly it's good enough. ;-)
23:20:55preglowamiconn: weird
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23:21:31amiconnThe spdif analyzer shows the correct parameters, 32/44/48kHz etc
23:21:41MikachuBagder: their bags aren't even good for throwing garbage in, you can't tie a knot from the handles
23:22:04BagderMikachu: ah, right but I used lots of tape for the shirt "package" ;-)
23:22:22Mikachufor some reason they're the only place i have found that have socks my size
23:22:33Mikachubut being netto, they break after only a few months
23:22:36preglowamiconn: then it's extremely weird
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23:22:48preglowamiconn: what is the converter, btw? just some level matching circuitry and an opto-coupler?
23:23:10amiconnThis one page 2
23:23:19amiconnSeems to be a common circuit
23:24:05amiconnI'll try to cascade both converters and test with my dvd player output
23:24:17amiconnIf that works, the mas output must be weird
23:26:29amiconnIt does work...
23:27:34amiconndvd−−opto->coax->opto−−h140 works, valid signal
23:27:55amiconnarchos−−coax->opto−−h140 doesn't work
23:30:15Paul_The_NerdOn a sudden and unrelated note, is there a feature in windows that makes it display "CAPS LOCK: ON" (and OFF) in the lower right corner when the key is toggled?
23:30:46preglowyou're talking about the os that asks you if you're handicapped if you keep the shift key pressed for two seconds
23:30:48preglowof course it does
23:31:32buraiantoPaul_The_Nerd: do you have a microsoft keyboard?
23:31:42Paul_The_Nerdburaianto: It's a laptop.
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23:32:13buraiantoAfter I installed the drivers for my microsoft keyboard I got a little grey popup rectangle that would display that in the lower right corner
23:32:29sharpemy guess is, it's the drivers. but, you know...
23:32:41*petur always disables disabled features
23:32:46Mikachuah, the mysteries of windows
23:32:53Paul_The_NerdAll of mine *are* disabled, according to what it'll tell me.
23:33:11sharpei keep getting more of the spam emails with the text in an image... hmm...
23:33:20peturmaybe it's a custom driver for the keyboard
23:33:37Paul_The_NerdIt just randomly enabled itself. *mutters*
23:34:08Paul_The_Nerd"Standard 101/102 key keyboard"
23:34:49Paul_The_NerdAh well.
23:34:52Falco98don't talk to me about frustrations with windows :-P
23:35:03Falco98a few days ago i got a scandisk attempt on restart
23:35:13Falco98i wasn't fast enough to keep it from running, so i just waited it out
23:35:17***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:35:30sharpeisn't there like, a 15 second timeout?
23:35:36Falco98when i finally got to the login screen, it reported a registry error, and claimed "it has been recovered from a prior version"
23:35:54Falco98sharpe: yeah, i wasn't paying attention
23:36:13Falco98anyway, when i go to login, i get my wallpaper, but never see the "rest"
23:36:20Falco98no icons, taskbar, systray, etc.
23:36:39Falco98i can bring up task manager and manually invoke things (such as the firefox i'm chatting in now)
23:36:45sharpewhy am i like, the only person without windows troubles? :\
23:36:52Falco98but if i manually invoke explorer.exe it falters for a second then goes away
23:36:59Mikachusharpe: i don't have windows problems either
23:37:06peturwell if your disk is thrashed that is probably what you can expect
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23:37:28Falco98nope, i have no problems with my disk
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23:37:32*petur is very happy with his windows installs but keeps far away from XP :)
23:37:40Falco98and when the scandisk ran it only reported one orphaned file or something
23:37:47sharpei use xp...
23:37:53Falco98generally i've never had any XP problems that have lasted this long
23:38:10Falco98really i need to install the newer version i have (nemesis 4) but have been too lazy so far
23:38:17Mikachusharpe: i use linux :P
23:38:23peturFalco98: scandisk on startup only runs when windows doesn't find its cookie that marks the disk as 'shutdown properly'
23:38:35sharpemmm, cookie
23:38:39sharpei like cookies
23:38:44sharpeespecially sugar cookies
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23:38:59Falco98well it had probably been a few weeks since i'd restarted
23:39:06Falco98so i might have had a rocky shutdown
23:39:12Falco98but definitely no "major" problems
23:39:38sharpei'll check how long it's been since a restart for me...
23:39:56peturif it was writing to disk during a power cut you need a bit of bad luck to get windows killed
23:40:07Mikachu% uptime
23:40:08Mikachu 23:40:02 up 32 days, 3:18, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.20, 0.42
23:40:41Bagder 11:40pm up 483 days, 12:03, 9 users, load average: 0.32, 0.09, 0.03
23:40:41sharpeif 8 = D, why use so many equal signs to signify one expression?
23:40:42peturmy disk at work was thrashed last year when there was a power failure.... partition corrupted
23:41:05Mikachusharpe: #= == #days running
23:41:53sharpe5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 59 seconds
23:42:14Mikachui am good at ruining jokes
23:42:46Falco98what's the dos command to check uptime, again?
23:42:58sharpesysteminfo, for xp anyway.
23:43:08Falco98oh wow
23:43:14Falco98this is what i get when i type that, now:
23:43:23Falco98ERROR: Transport failure.
23:43:49sharpethat scares me...
23:43:52Falco98then again, my explorer.exe isn't running, so my system is bound to be just "weird" in some ways until i reinstall
23:43:52Mikachua clear and helpful error message, as we've come to expect from windows
23:43:55Paul_The_NerdWoo! 7 hours!
23:44:14Mikachui'm up for a reboot though, linux usb ate my ports, only my mouse is left
23:44:33sharpewow... software eating hardware.. scary...
23:44:41Mikachuit's only eaten in software
23:44:45Mikachuthey start working after reboot
23:45:47Mikachui wonder if i can hang on until 2.6.17
23:46:19*Bagder installed today on his ARM9-box at work
23:46:37Bagdermuch rejoicing
23:46:42Mikachui wonder if x < y < z < w will be true soon
23:46:59Bagderjust a few days away
23:48:10sharpei can't remember the last time windows actually crashed on me... heh...
23:49:44Paul_The_NerdOr just really special?
23:49:44Mikachuif you're looking for spam i can send you some
23:49:55sharpehe's got the connections
23:50:05Mikachuspam spam, wonderful spam
23:50:42*Bagder presses the big bad delete button
23:50:44Falco98that link didn't work
23:51:32Paul_The_NerdFalco98: No, it does work, there just aren't results any more.
23:51:57 Quit buraianto ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox]")
23:52:27Paul_The_NerdFalco98: How much give does your iRiver joystick have? Just like "it feels lose, but really hardly moves at all?"
23:53:48Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: yeah
23:53:58Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: like.. just a *little* wiggle
23:54:05Paul_The_NerdMine's like that too then.
23:54:24amiconnHmpf, wtf. Even when looping an spdif signal through the archos, i don't get a proper vlidity flag.
23:54:30Falco98then i don't need to worry =)
23:54:38amiconnI can hear the signal fine though...
23:55:06Falco98oh.. can someone tell me what "car adapter mode" is?
23:55:18Falco98i haven't tried it with a tape adapter yet, but i found it in settings and was curious
23:55:36preglowamiconn: iriver doesn't receive it at all? not even iriverfw?
23:55:40Paul_The_NerdFalco98: It actually relates to having your unit plugged into an in-car DC adapter.
23:55:58Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: oh, like a cigarette-lighter charger?
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23:56:22Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Yup. When the power cuts off, I *think* it shuts down. Or maybe just stops the music. Can't remember which. (Of course, Stopped Music can lead to Idle Off anyway)
23:56:30amiconnpreglow: The iriver does receive it. spdif monitor shows sample rate, category etc, recording monitor thru uda1380 working fine. Just no validity flag...
23:56:47Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: i was hoping it might have something to do with the fact that my tape adapter only plays through the right channel :-/
23:56:58preglowamiconn: is it possible that the archos just doesn't set it?
23:57:08preglowamiconn: on coldfire, i can actually choose whether to have the validity bit set or not
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23:57:49Paul_The_NerdFalco98: It sounds like a bad tape adapter then.
23:57:51amiconnThat's what I'm trying to find out. There is a bit for setting the validity of the spdif output, but (1) I believe it has a slightly different meaning and (2) it is set correctly
23:58:24amiconnMaybe the mas is playing tricks, like setting the signal to invalid when not setting the correct channel status for output or such
23:58:38preglowmigh be

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