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| 00:02:21 | XavierGr | markun: while you are at it can you close this too? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5189 |
| 00:02:24 | midkay | amiconn, hm, no it doesn't, it uses the user's background/foreground color. |
| 00:02:49 | midkay | amiconn, i even tried it by setting a variety of bg colors.. plugins that weren't specific about it (e.g. clock) indeed used my settings. |
| 00:02:55 | XavierGr | the same appears to be here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 (close the previous because this is more detailed) |
| 00:02:59 | midkay | bbiab |
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| 00:03:12 | XavierGr | ? |
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| 00:05:01 | Bagder | XavierGr: you want powers to do such "cleanups" on your own? |
| 00:05:17 | XavierGr | of course! |
| 00:05:30 | Bagder | then try now! |
| 00:06:00 | XavierGr | It just happened that I have some free time and I want to code some bugfixes. I saw those duplicates and reported the, |
| 00:06:08 | XavierGr | ^them |
| 00:06:17 | Bagder | that's goodness |
| 00:06:43 | Bagder | it works the best if we all do a little cleaning from time to time, sharing the burden |
| 00:07:34 | XavierGr | I wasn't aware of the 'hell' that resides in the bug tracker. I will try to ease your pain. :P |
| 00:07:42 | tucoz | argh. I cannot get this to work. I commited a file that shouldn't have been commited. I got the older the revision from cvs, but I can't get the patch to apply. |
| 00:08:18 | tucoz | or miraculasly it worked now, the second time I applied the patch |
| 00:10:08 | amiconn | preglow: As you weren't around when I asked first: What do you think about my way to get rid of function sections on ipod (w/o dropping functions from iram)? |
| 00:11:51 | preglow | amiconn: i haven't heard about it at all |
| 00:12:01 | amiconn | Check http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060505.txt starting 23:32 and http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060506.txt 00:52 |
| 00:12:06 | preglow | can do |
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| 00:16:00 | * | whatboutbob slaps his forehead and rememembers he has 2 h1xx's.... |
| 00:16:33 | preglow | whatboutbob: you got cables enough to patch them together? |
| 00:16:40 | whatboutbob | i'm such an idiot sometimes... |
| 00:16:41 | preglow | amiconn: you know how much effort is involved in fixing gcc? |
| 00:17:16 | amiconn | Not really. Didn't find the place where this decision is made. |
| 00:17:24 | whatboutbob | preglow: i'll need a toslink to mini converter (or a mini to mini cable) |
| 00:17:29 | preglow | right |
| 00:17:44 | amiconn | Rather, I found a place which I think might be the correct one, but didn't really understand how it works |
| 00:18:20 | amiconn | whatboutbob: Use 2 cables, wait for spdif monitoring, and then produce a feedback loop ;) |
| 00:18:28 | XavierGr | Hmm I found a bug regarding the remote. |
| 00:18:35 | whatboutbob | hehehe |
| 00:18:42 | amiconn | XavierGr: Only one? |
| 00:19:14 | XavierGr | Whe the user changes the scrolling settings these changes aren't applied on the remote until a reboot. |
| 00:19:30 | XavierGr | (On the normal unit the changes are applied as normal) |
| 00:19:34 | amiconn | The remote should have its own scroll settings |
| 00:19:44 | XavierGr | I agree |
| 00:19:45 | preglow | amiconn: when would spdif monitoring of analogue input be useful, btw? |
| 00:19:56 | XavierGr | I will see if i can make a patch about it? |
| 00:19:58 | piroko | anyone know where linuxstb is? |
| 00:20:14 | preglow | mia |
| 00:20:22 | piroko | donde? |
| 00:20:27 | whatboutbob | what sample rates does optical ut support? |
| 00:20:34 | amiconn | preglow: You can monitor what the iriver records with your digital equipment... |
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| 00:21:20 | preglow | probably doesn't suck any more battery anyway, so why not |
| 00:21:40 | amiconn | Correct, since spdif power needs to be enabled anyway |
| 00:21:58 | amiconn | (nah, only for spdif recording) |
| 00:22:02 | preglow | i was planning to disable optical out when recording from analogue... |
| 00:22:05 | preglow | yeah |
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| 00:22:21 | preglow | but it's nice if you've got optical output enabled in options |
| 00:22:25 | amiconn | optical out should obey the global setting when recording from analog input |
| 00:22:30 | preglow | yes |
| 00:22:44 | XavierGr | also it would be a good idea to stop optical out when there is no sound output. Like iriver does |
| 00:22:57 | XavierGr | AFAIK currently in Rockbox once set to one it is alwasy on |
| 00:23:06 | XavierGr | c/one/on |
| 00:23:19 | amiconn | Then it would need to be handled in pcm_playback.c |
| 00:23:27 | whatboutbob | XavierGr: yup. |
| 00:23:39 | XavierGr | probably yes |
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| 00:24:00 | amiconn | Otherwise voice or plugin sound wouldn't work via spdif |
| 00:24:38 | amiconn | It might not always be wise to disable optical out in such cases |
| 00:25:11 | amiconn | Iirc there are some spdif devices which need a bit more time to sync themselves to the spdif signal |
| 00:25:17 | preglow | indeed |
| 00:25:28 | amiconn | ...so the beginning of the music might be swallowed |
| 00:25:42 | amiconn | _usually_ syncing to spdif should only take a few msec |
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| 00:25:43 | WileE79 | GN8 and thanks for your support... (I guess i'll go and get a Gmini - to much hassle with all the battery troubles) |
| 00:26:02 | amiconn | (the MAS datasheet says <50 msec) |
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| 00:34:38 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, about long calls, it's fine by me to do the rockbox fix |
| 00:36:14 | preglow | i'll love to see the long calls go so much <−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−-> |
| 00:36:54 | XavierGr | morse mode is only for iriver targets right? |
| 00:37:12 | preglow | can't see why it should be |
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| 00:38:00 | XavierGr | well on keyboard.c KBD_MORSE_INPUT is only defined for iriver targets |
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| 00:45:51 | * | amiconn now has a retailos-free rockboot.bin |
| 00:46:07 | amiconn | Apple loader time decreased to just 2 sec... |
| 00:46:47 | preglow | oooh, i wanna do that as well |
| 00:47:08 | amiconn | Just use an almost-empty bin instead of apple_os.bin |
| 00:47:30 | amiconn | I tested increasing file sizes; the minimum that worked for me was 128 bytes |
| 00:48:23 | amiconn | Evenwhen trying to boot retailos, nothing bad happens. The mini just reboots |
| 00:49:55 | preglow | cool |
| 00:49:59 | amiconn | XavierGr: Morse input should work for all targets, just nobody got around adapting the morse info screen for the smaller lcds |
| 00:51:50 | amiconn | preglow: No it was 64byte... |
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| 00:54:08 | XavierGr | amiconn: right. I will see if I can fix that. |
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| 00:55:16 | darkless | on the topic of disabling spdif out when not playing... I'd strongly advice against that. I use an external DAC (an AQVOX USB 2 D/A) and from the moment I switch to the optical signal (same as switching from no playback to audio if optical was disabled while not playing), it takes ~ 1.5-2 secs until it has locked on to the signal and I start hearing sound. |
| 00:56:01 | amiconn | Yeah one of those slowwww devices |
| 00:56:30 | darkless | and it's not uncommon for highend DACs to be that slow, at least that's been my experience so far |
| 00:56:54 | darkless | although I don't know if an $800 DAC qualifies as "highend" |
| 00:57:01 | XavierGr | omg which are the sim keys for ipod colour? |
| 00:57:11 | XavierGr | is there a page with all sim keybindings? |
| 00:57:41 | Mikachu | −−background |
| 00:58:20 | XavierGr | ah nice Mikachu I thought that this only worked on Windows |
| 00:59:18 | PaulJam | XavierGr: concerning bug #5187 : this happens for me too (with a bleding edge from a few minutes ago) |
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| 01:00:23 | XavierGr | PaulJam: So what exactly do you do to reproduce it? Show in wide mode a very long line? |
| 01:00:26 | darkless | amiconn: the sync-to-signal itself is prob. less than 50 msecs, but the mechanical relay switching on/off isn't |
| 01:00:43 | amiconn | mechanical relay??? |
| 01:01:21 | darkless | at least that's what I think it is... it makes a "click" sound and sound appears a short while later |
| 01:01:27 | * | amiconn wouldn't expect a high-end dac to use a mechanical relay |
| 01:02:00 | PaulJam | XavierGr: i just opened a textfile with one very long line (the viewer was set to not break long lines) |
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| 01:02:15 | darkless | the clicking sound is coming from the DAC itself, it's not part of the signal |
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| 01:02:57 | preglow | relay in a dac? |
| 01:02:58 | preglow | weird |
| 01:03:24 | preglow | but yeah, one pro device i used had close to 500 msec lockon tie |
| 01:03:26 | preglow | time |
| 01:05:07 | preglow | but yeah, sleep time. good night |
| 01:06:35 | darkless | I don't know if it's a relay or not, all I know is that it makes an audible "click" when I plug in the toslink cable to my iriver while the DAC is on |
| 01:07:12 | darkless | and at the same time a light indicator turns on, indicating the detected sample rate |
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| 01:08:32 | XavierGr | PaulJam: I will look on it. |
| 01:08:43 | XavierGr | Thanks BTW |
| 01:09:06 | XavierGr | how on earth do you delete letters when renaming with iPod |
| 01:09:13 | XavierGr | this thing has too few buttons |
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| 01:09:44 | Mikachu | XavierGr: go to the input line |
| 01:12:16 | XavierGr | Mikachu: neat, I couldn't have thought of that. |
| 01:14:00 | PaulJam | is it worth a bugreport that the characters "1/4","1/2" and "3/4" are not to distinguish from spaces in the virtual keyboard? |
| 01:14:07 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Do you know if the ipods can scroll out of view? |
| 01:14:32 | Mikachu | how do you mean? |
| 01:14:55 | XavierGr | Mikachu: was that for me? |
| 01:15:00 | Mikachu | who else? |
| 01:15:59 | XavierGr | Maybe PaulJam. :P Well on iriver you can press Play + Left/right on file tree (or playlist view) and all large text will scroll to that direction |
| 01:16:27 | XavierGr | Is that pocible on iPods |
| 01:16:29 | Mikachu | hm, don't know if you can do it manually, but the selected item scrolls |
| 01:16:55 | XavierGr | I can see the option but I can't find the correct keycombo |
| 01:17:13 | XavierGr | Mikachu: You have to set the option to ON BTW |
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| 01:19:54 | XavierGr | It seems that there is no keycombo for it available. |
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| 01:49:59 | bleaked | will rockbox ever support other filesystems? |
| 01:50:31 | XavierGr | bleaked: if eventually someone codes for it, then yes |
| 01:50:38 | XavierGr | but currently it is not needed |
| 01:50:47 | bleaked | hrm. |
| 01:50:53 | bleaked | well, maybe you can help me. |
| 01:51:03 | bleaked | take the artist Björk |
| 01:51:13 | bleaked | it has a foreign character |
| 01:51:23 | bleaked | and vfat does not seem to like it. |
| 01:51:37 | bleaked | and thus i am forced to make all of my filenames vfat safe |
| 01:51:52 | bleaked | which isn't the worst, but definitely not preferred. |
| 01:52:00 | Doomed | hm |
| 01:52:04 | XavierGr | hhmm I think you need unicode |
| 01:52:09 | amiconn | vfat supports everything utf-16 base multilingual plane, |
| 01:52:31 | amiconn | minus a very few special chars, like \ / : |
| 01:52:40 | amiconn | ö is no problem at all |
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| 01:53:27 | * | amiconn has lots of files with chars like ä ö ü ß |
| 01:53:34 | bleaked | amiconn. heh, i have a few songs with : in them..damn..but oh well, so how can i correct this issue? |
| 01:53:48 | amiconn | I dunno, I just save the files, and it works |
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| 01:54:24 | * | amiconn guesses bleaked uses linux |
| 01:55:11 | bleaked | yes |
| 01:55:48 | bleaked | is vfat support in linux not so perfect? |
| 01:56:03 | amiconn | vfat support itself should be fine |
| 01:56:15 | bleaked | is it a mounting issue? |
| 01:56:17 | amiconn | but linux is often a configuration nightmare |
| 01:57:08 | amiconn | Hmm, I can see all these special chars fine in linux as well |
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| 01:58:24 | amiconn | I'm not expert in linux mount options, I just let debian automount my usb devices |
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| 02:07:12 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you an idea how the virtuall keyboard should be handled by the iriver remote? |
| 02:07:19 | XavierGr | add/ have |
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| 02:42:35 | XavierGr | minesweeper is broken as hell! |
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| 03:27:51 | scottder | dang why is ir so hard to boot in ipdo firmware sometimes...and easy other |
| 03:27:56 | scottder | is it a lunar cycle? :) |
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| 03:31:19 | BHSPitLappy | yep |
| 03:31:26 | BHSPitLappy | only works on waning crescents |
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| 03:37:20 | scottder | Damn |
| 03:37:21 | scottder | :) |
| 03:38:39 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, and Orien's belt has to be in cosmic alignment with the 8th moon of Jupiter, and the... whatever |
| 03:42:33 | sharpe | why is it, nobody ever gets it when i compare rockbox happenings to worldly events? |
| 03:44:31 | BHSPitLappy | ... |
| 03:47:02 | Nibbler | what? |
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| 03:57:36 | sharpe | :( |
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| 04:12:20 | XavierGr | anyone with an H100 here and optical out? |
| 04:12:56 | XavierGr | I mean to be able to use it, or has used optical in/out |
| 04:13:54 | suppo | optical out works fine on my h120 and h140 |
| 04:14:18 | XavierGr | I have a strange experience. This is my first time I use optical in |
| 04:14:41 | XavierGr | With default firmware when I monitor recording with optical in I get distortion |
| 04:14:43 | suppo | i never tried optical in, only optical out |
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| 04:15:06 | XavierGr | but when I record the file and then playback, it plays normally. |
| 04:15:17 | XavierGr | I am going to try with my H115 too |
| 04:17:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, so what is the problem? |
| 04:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, with the default firmware. |
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| 04:23:53 | XavierGr | I just tested with the H115 too and I got the same behaviour |
| 04:24:08 | XavierGr | Monitor has distortion |
| 04:24:42 | XavierGr | but when I finish the recording and then playback it seems fine. |
| 04:25:26 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Can you acknowledge it? |
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| 04:28:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't have anything with optical output/input but my H120, so I can't test. |
| 04:29:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, actually my stereo has optical out, but it doesn't play CDs any more, so it's useless. |
| 04:29:36 | XavierGr | I though so (I didn't had optical devices) until I turned the back of my crappy DVD player. :P |
| 04:29:53 | XavierGr | It actually had many ports on the back and one of them was optical out. |
| 04:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 04:30:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | My Xbox needs a special cable for that. |
| 04:30:31 | XavierGr | my brothers PS2 has an optical out too but the device is not here |
| 04:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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| 04:35:44 | Jd|uni | hey all |
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| 04:48:48 | whatboutbob_ | CavierGr: I can test optical out tonight (in 6 hours) if you haven't found anyone else by then. |
| 04:48:56 | whatboutbob_ | *xavierGr |
| 04:50:34 | whatboutbob_ | does anyone know what sample rates rockbox optical out outputs? |
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| 04:59:14 | dongs | is it pretty hard to fuckup a ipod mini 1st gen with rockbox? |
| 04:59:26 | dongs | i wanna install it for a friend over remote desktop, any failure points i should look at? |
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| 05:00:46 | blind | yeah |
| 05:00:50 | blind | make sure you don't mess up |
| 05:01:01 | dongs | well, what is there to look out for? |
| 05:01:11 | dongs | i did my nano 1st time around and there were no issues |
| 05:01:13 | BHSPitMonkey | there's nothing you can do to screw up an iPod software-wise. |
| 05:01:17 | BHSPitMonkey | the only risk is losing the music. |
| 05:01:21 | dongs | ok. |
| 05:01:25 | dongs | it can always be factory reset? |
| 05:01:28 | dongs | incase shit happens? |
| 05:01:30 | BHSPitMonkey | they're 100% always restorable. |
| 05:01:36 | blind | NOT ALWAYS |
| 05:01:44 | BHSPitMonkey | yes, always. |
| 05:01:48 | blind | no, not always |
| 05:01:53 | blind | i just had to send mine back to apple |
| 05:01:57 | BHSPitMonkey | I don't include hardware failure in the realm of possibility |
| 05:01:58 | blind | it wouldn't boot in any mode. |
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| 05:02:19 | dongs | ok |
| 05:02:21 | blind | wouldn't boot in rockbox, original firmware, disc mode, nothing |
| 05:02:23 | dongs | sounds like it'll work |
| 05:02:40 | BHSPitMonkey | though I'm pretty sure rockbox isn't that mature on the mini |
| 05:02:44 | BHSPitMonkey | buggy |
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| 05:07:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | blind: Well, if it wouldn't boot in disk mode then Rockbox didn't do that, because all the steps in that process take place before any of our software is accessed. |
| 05:08:21 | blind | well then it was a well timed coincidence. |
| 05:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Perhaps |
| 05:09:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Would yours freeze at a certain point, or not power on at all? |
| 05:09:45 | blind | it's so easy to walk TOWARDS my computer in the dark, cause of the monitor.. |
| 05:09:50 | blind | but to walk to the light switch from my computer... scary |
| 05:10:04 | blind | it would turn on, and i would get the infamous sad ipod |
| 05:10:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | And how would you go about trying to boot it into disk mode? |
| 05:11:07 | blind | select + play? |
| 05:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And still got the sad ipod? |
| 05:11:25 | blind | yes |
| 05:11:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you've booted it into disk mode before? |
| 05:11:53 | blind | yes |
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| 05:12:02 | hi | hello |
| 05:12:18 | hi | i have a question |
| 05:12:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | There doesn't seem like there should be a valid reason you'd be able to get to the sad iPod logo without being able to get to the emergency disk mode. =/ |
| 05:12:44 | * | scorche has never gotten why people dont just ask it |
| 05:12:44 | hi | hellooooooooo? |
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| 05:13:07 | hi | how do u play midis with rockbox |
| 05:13:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | hi: Okay, less than 35 seconds passed since you said you had a question. Perhaps you should wait for people to be able to answer, or actually ask the question. |
| 05:13:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | You click on them. |
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| 05:13:28 | hi | it says no instruments |
| 05:13:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have to have the patchset installed though. |
| 05:13:39 | hi | what patchset |
| 05:13:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs They're linked here |
| 05:16:15 | hi | is timidity alright |
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| 05:17:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says "This plugin needs a separate soundset to work. This is available here." |
| 05:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | the word here is a link on the page. |
| 05:17:40 | hi | i know but from the way he writes the artivle timidity seams better |
| 05:18:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | He also says that he hasn't figured out their patch format. It'd be a little hard to implement it, if he doesn't know it. |
| 05:19:05 | hi | one thing kind of side tracked from this that i think i should point out |
| 05:19:35 | hi | psp coders could OWN ipod coders |
| 05:20:03 | blind | lol. |
| 05:20:21 | hi | its so true |
| 05:20:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | On what grounds? |
| 05:21:04 | hi | more to work with and just more skill |
| 05:21:17 | blind | how do you figure more skill? |
| 05:21:19 | hi | wifi,mem stick,dual core... |
| 05:21:30 | hi | oh more skill |
| 05:21:45 | hi | uses the device more |
| 05:21:47 | blind | ? |
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| 05:22:10 | hi | i take it i need linux to install this patch |
| 05:22:31 | blind | why don't you anyway? :P |
| 05:22:42 | hi | i was just wondering |
| 05:22:50 | hi | i just have to reboot with the cd |
| 05:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | hi: Okay, what makes you think you need linux if it says to use it you simply extract it to the .rockbox folder? |
| 05:23:10 | hi | oh the rockbox folder |
| 05:23:24 | hi | sry im REALLY new at this |
| 05:23:40 | hi | everything ive done is in linux with the 3 partitions |
| 05:23:53 | hi | never messed with rockbox |
| 05:24:00 | hi | till i figured it out |
| 05:24:23 | hi | november 17... |
| 05:25:07 | XavierGr | What an idiot I am!!!!! |
| 05:26:00 | XavierGr | I said that I didn't had an optical device except my H140 and then I realise that except my DVD player I have another H115 that I can test cross over! :P |
| 05:26:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | hehehe |
| 05:26:48 | XavierGr | And imagine that I bought 2 optical cables today with the thought that I didn't had another device with optical in/out |
| 05:27:19 | XavierGr | Well I can't get distortion on monitoring between H100s. |
| 05:27:36 | hi | ? |
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| 05:27:42 | XavierGr | I can't really understand how on earth the DVD player disterted only on monitor..... |
| 05:28:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Was the DVD player outputting at 48khz? Maybe that has something to do with it? |
| 05:28:46 | hi | i dont like dvd players |
| 05:29:06 | hi | i like blu-ray players |
| 05:29:09 | XavierGr | It didn't matter whether it was 48 or 96kHz. The distortion was the same.... |
| 05:29:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but neither of those are 44.1 ;-) |
| 05:30:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | hi: I'm anti-anything with as much DRM as they try to load into those. |
| 05:30:42 | hi | no i no a way to take drm off of dvd's |
| 05:31:01 | hi | its just mildly consly |
| 05:31:10 | hi | costly* |
| 05:31:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was talking about blu-ray disks. |
| 05:32:30 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah yes if it was 48 then it should be a problem. |
| 05:32:41 | XavierGr | let me check again |
| 05:32:47 | hi | yeah i know a way for those 2 seriously |
| 05:33:15 | hi | go to archos.com |
| 05:33:27 | hi | and look at the av500 |
| 05:33:35 | hi | 100gb |
| 05:34:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you saying "Use the analog recording features of GadgetX" as a method for that? |
| 05:34:25 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: yup it is either 48 or 96 |
| 05:34:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I don't *know* if that's the problem, but I suspect it may be. |
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| 05:34:52 | XavierGr | so how on earth the playback file sounded right? |
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| 05:35:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because it resamples the file to play it back, but it probably *doesn't* resample while monitoring. |
| 05:35:10 | XavierGr | or now that I think of it.... |
| 05:35:30 | hi | hopefully i can play midis now |
| 05:35:32 | XavierGr | The pitch sounded a little weird but I am not sure |
| 05:35:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's an idea. |
| 05:35:44 | XavierGr | I will have to ask preglow |
| 05:35:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could be wrong. :) |
| 05:37:02 | XavierGr | here we go... |
| 05:37:13 | XavierGr | blue screen of death is imminent |
| 05:37:31 | hi | s**t load ofbuffer misses |
| 05:37:40 | XavierGr | I am just writing my final message as a huge error window is popped up by windows |
| 05:37:54 | XavierGr | winlogon.exe application error. |
| 05:38:09 | XavierGr | if I press OK I am sure that it will just BSOD! |
| 05:38:31 | scorche | could PAPPDSOD |
| 05:38:35 | XavierGr | ok lets see..... |
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| 05:41:44 | XavierGr | As I said |
| 05:41:53 | XavierGr | It BSODed :( |
| 05:41:54 | hi | i have alot of buffer misses |
| 05:42:00 | hi | what do i do |
| 05:42:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait until the midi player gets better. |
| 05:42:20 | hi | but y cant it work |
| 05:42:28 | XavierGr | hi: or improve it yourself |
| 05:42:30 | hi | thee must be something |
| 05:42:45 | hi | there* |
| 05:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I don't know what it is. If you think you know, feel free to fix it and submit a patch. |
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| 05:44:24 | XavierGr | ah time to sleep |
| 05:44:33 | XavierGr | good night everyone |
| 05:45:01 | XavierGr | good morning prabably: 6.44 am here |
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| 05:51:01 | whatboutbob_ | XavierGr: mwaha...i did the exact same thing this morning (realising i had 2 h1xx's to cross test optical) |
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| 07:43:20 | poolnoodl | hi all |
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| 07:46:52 | poolnoodl | anyone else getting pausing when in plugins or just scrolling quickly through menus/song lists? |
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| 07:57:05 | poolnoodl | hello? |
| 07:57:53 | scott666 | whats up |
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| 08:13:01 | Rhapsody | Is there a patch or solution to get both SID and MOD files playing on Rockbox? There is a patch for SID and a patch for MOD but it won't allow you to install one after the other and although I tried manually entering the code into the source files, I ended up with SIDs being playable but MOD files not being recognized. |
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| 09:10:50 | LinusN | JdGordon: there? |
| 09:10:54 | JdGordon | hey |
| 09:11:16 | poolnoodl | anyone else getting pausing when in plugins or just scrolling quickly through menus/song lists? |
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| 09:12:05 | markun | poolnoodl: which font are you using? |
| 09:12:23 | LinusN | JdGordon: saw your patch |
| 09:12:34 | JdGordon | which 1 in particular? |
| 09:12:36 | LinusN | with the auto-wps |
| 09:12:40 | LinusN | timer |
| 09:12:43 | JdGordon | :) i just upped it |
| 09:12:46 | JdGordon | u like? |
| 09:12:51 | LinusN | yes and no :-) |
| 09:12:55 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:13:02 | LinusN | it's a requested feature |
| 09:13:04 | B4gder | people have whined about that feature since aaaages |
| 09:13:18 | LinusN | but i think it has to be global |
| 09:13:34 | LinusN | meaning, it currently only works in the browser |
| 09:13:34 | JdGordon | how u mean global? |
| 09:14:05 | LinusN | i think it has to be implemented with a SYS_xxx message |
| 09:14:30 | qwm | :) |
| 09:14:36 | LinusN | but it's a good start |
| 09:17:06 | JdGordon | u mean call the SYS_ message from the button driver itself? |
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| 09:21:04 | LinusN | what i mean is that rockbox should send a SYS_WPSTIMER message to the button queue when the timer expires |
| 09:21:31 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 09:21:32 | LinusN | then it will be possible to return to WPS from anywhere |
| 09:21:48 | LinusN | not that easy to accomplish, but it would be nice |
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| 09:22:13 | LinusN | i think the first thing to do would be to implement the mechanism that sends the message |
| 09:22:18 | LinusN | that is the easy part |
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| 09:26:40 | amiconn | LinusN: Return to wps???? |
| 09:26:46 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 09:27:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: you tricked me! :-) |
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| 09:27:17 | JdGordon | i did not... |
| 09:27:21 | JdGordon | whaa?? |
| 09:27:51 | markun | JdGordon: didn't you read the discussion about people thinking WPS is the main screen? :) |
| 09:28:16 | * | LinusN stands in the corner with a silly hat |
| 09:28:28 | JdGordon | i did, and i vaigly rmember ppl not likeing the idea :D im only doing this coz im bored and im useless at bug fixes |
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| 09:32:52 | whatboutbob_ | this is possibly a dumb question, but should h1xx remote volume +/- button change volume on the file browse screen? (it currently doesn't but curious if it doesn't work because a decision has been made, or just because no one has gotten to it) |
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| 09:35:47 | markun | whatboutbob_: we could implement it that way. The gigabeat also has dedicated vol+ and vol- buttons on the player. |
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| 09:37:47 | amiconn | JdGordon: Speaking about bug fixes - text_editor is in urgent need of fixing... |
| 09:37:59 | JdGordon | blame midkay :D |
| 09:38:13 | JdGordon | what needs fixing? |
| 09:38:49 | * | petur wants to stuff some wires and water in his h340 |
| 09:38:51 | petur | http://www.drexel.edu/univrel/dateline/default_nik.pl?p=releaseview&of=1&f=20060508-01 |
| 09:39:00 | JdGordon | ; |
| 09:39:01 | whatboutbob_ | markun: i figure its just that way atm cos the button assignment on the remote is different from the main h1xx unit. |
| 09:39:49 | whatboutbob_ | petur: i think the ipod battery might die before the 100 millenia is up... |
| 09:40:08 | whatboutbob_ | ...just a hunch. |
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| 10:01:50 | ledbythereaper | hey gyts |
| 10:01:52 | ledbythereaper | guys |
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| 10:02:01 | ledbythereaper | i've got a problem.. |
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| 10:06:01 | petur | ledbythereaper: don't be shy, speak up :P |
| 10:06:13 | ledbythereaper | well i put the lates build on my 5G piepod |
| 10:06:19 | ledbythereaper | sorry about ages to reply i'm coding |
| 10:07:05 | petur | same here ;) |
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| 10:07:24 | petur | but I have the irc on my second monitor.... |
| 10:07:44 | B4gder | I never do anything else but chat when I'm here |
| 10:07:53 | ledbythereaper | i'm at college :p |
| 10:07:55 | ledbythereaper | using the web based thing |
| 10:08:01 | petur | me too |
| 10:08:07 | ledbythereaper | but yeh, you know on rockbox when you tell it to only show ID3 database |
| 10:08:13 | petur | company firewall blocks irc |
| 10:08:19 | ledbythereaper | and then you get the artist, song, year, search stuff |
| 10:08:41 | ledbythereaper | all of that has dissapeared so i just get an empty menu, so i can only play root.m3u |
| 10:08:47 | ledbythereaper | and not choose individual songs |
| 10:09:22 | petur | force a tagcache update? |
| 10:12:51 | ledbythereaper | done that 3 times |
| 10:12:52 | ledbythereaper | does nothing |
| 10:13:07 | ledbythereaper | im going to reinstall it |
| 10:14:16 | * | ledbythereaper is afk, installing apache |
| 10:14:23 | ledbythereaper | on windows :| |
| 10:14:27 | ledbythereaper | i may open a portal to hell |
| 10:15:24 | JdGordon | the SYS_USB_CONNECTED msg, its put on the end of the button que right? so its not got to untill the rest o the q is processed first ye? |
| 10:15:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:15:48 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 10:16:20 | * | ledbythereaper repeatedly |
| 10:16:54 | petur | don't - you'll make it unstable |
| 10:17:12 | scorche | petur: unstable isnt made...its BORN! |
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| 10:17:54 | JdGordon | isnt button.c used on the sim build? |
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| 10:27:34 | ledbythereaper | kk back |
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| 10:29:10 | ledbythereaper | these college rigs are shit |
| 10:29:24 | ledbythereaper | nope still hasnt opened ipod |
| 10:29:36 | ledbythereaper | i'll give it another year... |
| 10:30:55 | ledbythereaper | and i need a new pair of headphones :( |
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| 10:32:01 | daurn|afk | o.o.o.lo.oo |
| 10:32:10 | daurn|afk | ??? |
| 10:32:22 | ThreeM | the current version of rockbox for ipod 4gen greyscale dont work. can that be? |
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| 10:33:08 | ThreeM | the logo of rockbox is shown but notting happens |
| 10:37:16 | JdGordon | LinusN: i got it working from the button driver... cept its hardcoded at 15s... settings.c isnt co-operating to make it changleable :( |
| 10:38:46 | JdGordon | .. and it doenst work in the uisim for some reaon... |
| 10:39:54 | ledbythereaper | woot it works again |
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| 10:40:30 | jong | thanks for the sw, great stuff! |
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| 10:41:36 | JdGordon | oh crap.. i got it working :D |
| 10:41:41 | jong | btw, I didn't knew 'moin' was generic internet slang right now. We used it on ircnet on #unix because in a part of germany it is everyday language to say 'moin' |
| 10:41:43 | JdGordon | not in the sim.. but doesnt matter :D |
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| 10:44:57 | petur | ThreeM: using a voice file? |
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| 10:49:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: what needs fixing in the text editor? |
| 10:49:45 | ThreeM | voice file? im new user of rockbox sorry :) im just install the bootloader and extrackt rockbox straigt to thwe ipod. the version from 2006-05-09 works fine but the version from 2006-05-10 hangs when it shows the rockbox logo |
| 10:49:55 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4763 ? |
| 10:50:21 | JdGordon | petur: thats the viewer.. not editor... |
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| 10:53:38 | petur | ThreeM: please open a bugreport in the tracker |
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| 11:02:17 | amiconn | JdGordon: firmware/drivers/button.c isn't used in the sim. The sim has its own incarnation of button.c |
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| 11:02:36 | amiconn | Quite some code duplication :/ |
| 11:02:57 | amiconn | Regarding text_editor, I'll check something to be a bit more specific |
| 11:03:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think it would be cleaner if you implemented it in the button interrupt |
| 11:03:09 | JdGordon | hmm ok that makes sence then.. shoudl i edit the uisims version so the patch could work (if it gets added) ? |
| 11:03:54 | JdGordon | LinusN: i put it there coz it needs to check if we r gonna return BUTTON_NONE... isnt that the best spiot for that then? |
| 11:04:06 | LinusN | then the button_get() and button_get_w_tmo() functions wouldn't be affected |
| 11:04:34 | LinusN | why would it have to check for BUTTON_NONE? |
| 11:04:43 | JdGordon | dinner time.. back soon.. |
| 11:04:49 | JdGordon | hold that thought.. :p |
| 11:04:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:06:08 | theli_ua | if my codec outputs in signed 16 bit lowendian .. how should i set DSP settings? |
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| 11:11:31 | LinusN | theli_ua: is it always little endian, or does it depend on the cpu? |
| 11:12:00 | theli_ua | always i think |
| 11:12:25 | LinusN | i'm not sure we can handle that |
| 11:12:39 | theli_ua | what format is suitable for rockbox? |
| 11:12:46 | theli_ua | for pcm buffer |
| 11:12:53 | LinusN | the natural endianness of the cpu |
| 11:12:57 | theli_ua | i see |
| 11:17:04 | dongs | o'rly |
| 11:20:06 | LinusN | theli_ua: iirc, the optimum format would be non-interleaved 32-bit samples |
| 11:20:15 | LinusN | but i'm no codec guru |
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| 11:30:05 | preglow | try to use signed 28 bit numbers in natural endianness |
| 11:30:06 | * | JdGordon is back |
| 11:30:24 | preglow | samples can be bigger, but they'll be clipped at that resolution |
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| 11:34:42 | JdGordon | LinusN: by button interupt do u mean the button_tick() function? |
| 11:34:50 | LinusN | yes |
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| 11:37:31 | preglow | theli_ua: i just answered your question |
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| 11:38:01 | theli_ua | preglow, i've had connection interrupted ... can you repeat? |
| 11:39:08 | LinusN | theli_ua: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 11:39:17 | theli_ua | :) |
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| 11:44:23 | tucoz | How much detail on the install instructions do you think is appropriate for the manual? |
| 11:44:54 | tucoz | That is, for the irivers? Should we just add a pointer to the bootloader page in the wiki? |
| 11:45:19 | JdGordon | LinusN: the reason it should wait for BUTTON_NONE is coz if a button was actually pressed we dont want it skipped... ? |
| 11:45:51 | LinusN | in that case, you would send two events |
| 11:46:31 | tucoz | LinusN, what do you think? |
| 11:47:50 | JdGordon | LinusN: u mean just add the check and que_post(..SYS_WPSTIMEOUT) anywhere in the function? that sound odds to me.. but ok... |
| 11:47:50 | LinusN | tucoz: i'm not sure. i think you could point to the wiki, since you must download stuff from there anyway |
| 11:47:59 | tucoz | As a user anyway would have to go to the bootloader page to get the patcher/.bin file, then it's maybe best to leave those instructions out of the manual |
| 11:48:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: why would it be odd? |
| 11:48:22 | JdGordon | coz wont the wrong place get the button? |
| 11:48:34 | JdGordon | i dunno.. it sounds wierd.. |
| 11:49:04 | LinusN | the wrong place? |
| 11:49:18 | JdGordon | the wrong "window".. i guess not.. |
| 11:49:55 | LinusN | the wrong thread? |
| 11:50:08 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:51:32 | JdGordon | testing.. |
| 11:52:02 | JdGordon | well.. it works.. :D |
| 11:52:22 | JdGordon | bbs |
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| 12:08:07 | JdGordon | back again |
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| 12:16:54 | JdGordon | damn you evil menu code!!! |
| 12:17:28 | dpro | re |
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| 12:20:37 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes, the menu code is the hard part of this adventure |
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| 12:21:08 | JdGordon | ive got it so it should exit when the SYS_WPSTIMEOUT comes in.. but its not for some reason :'( |
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| 12:31:38 | preglow | what's so bad with that? |
| 12:32:46 | preglow | the fcntl functions are nicer anyway |
| 12:32:57 | JdGordon | does any1 know what the SDL define for the backspace key is? |
| 12:33:36 | preglow | take a guess |
| 12:33:57 | preglow | it's very logical |
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| 12:41:55 | dpro | can anyone help me to understand the current structure of the playback engine (like superficially)? |
| 12:42:37 | preglow | lostlogic, perhaps |
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| 12:48:24 | amiconn | JdGordon: Re bugs in text_editor: |
| 12:48:52 | amiconn | (1) When status bar is active, the room for the status bar is reserved, but it isn't drawn in overview mode |
| 12:49:24 | amiconn | (2) With quite a number of texts, bad things happen at the bottom line(s) |
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| 12:50:42 | amiconn | There is often an empty line which is 'special', i.e. the inverse bar vanishes on it. If you select it for edit, then accept, rockbox crashes |
| 12:51:23 | amiconn | Below that special line there is often some garbage, either 1..2 lines from the top of the file (iriver, sims), or real trash (archos target) |
| 12:54:34 | amiconn | Rockbox also crashes if you select one of the trash lines, remove chars, then accept |
| 12:56:16 | JdGordon | ok, thanx, ill have a look |
| 12:58:27 | amiconn | It's most likely a NULL pointer problem |
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| 13:00:23 | amiconn | (3) text_editor doesn't obey the default codepage setting, so you can't edit non-utf8 texts |
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| 13:01:03 | amiconn | (4) Very long lines are wrapped at arbitrary positions |
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| 13:02:43 | dongs | markun: here? |
| 13:02:49 | markun | yes |
| 13:02:53 | dongs | markun: about hebrew |
| 13:03:00 | dongs | <iTayb> hebrew should be rtl in ipod as well, but cuz programmers are lazy to change the code especially for hebrew, |
| 13:03:03 | dongs | its ltr there |
| 13:03:12 | dongs | in tha screenshot i did with hebrew |
| 13:03:15 | dongs | text needs to be right-aligned |
| 13:03:17 | dongs | for track names |
| 13:03:22 | dongs | or dir names etc |
| 13:03:25 | dongs | if its hebrew |
| 13:03:27 | dongs | woudl that be hard to do? |
| 13:03:30 | markun | yes, allignment isn't right |
| 13:04:23 | markun | If you want your text rtl you probably want the whole interface mirrored |
| 13:04:42 | amiconn | dongs: text direction should be correct for arabic and hebrew afaik |
| 13:04:57 | amiconn | Alignment is not, as is the scroll direction for scrolling text |
| 13:05:11 | markun | but strange that it shouldn't be rtl on the ipod.. |
| 13:05:23 | markun | Don't think that has anything to do with us being lazy |
| 13:06:19 | markun | dongs: you have a ipod as well, right? I thought you told me arabic and hebrew were rtl for you |
| 13:06:46 | amiconn | dongs: What ipod? |
| 13:07:18 | dongs | amiconn: nano |
| 13:07:28 | dongs | markun: in original firmware? |
| 13:07:41 | markun | Ah, original firmware.. |
| 13:07:43 | dongs | amiconn: 'direction' may be correct, but a jew is telling me it should be right-aligned on screen |
| 13:07:46 | dongs | i can check. |
| 13:07:54 | dongs | i guess.. |
| 13:07:58 | dongs | though i don have itunes. |
| 13:08:01 | dongs | or any jewish mp3s. |
| 13:08:15 | markun | We would need something like a is_rtl function to fix scrolling and allignment |
| 13:08:45 | dongs | hm waht about hebrew language file |
| 13:08:50 | dongs | that doesnt switch the menus rtl either |
| 13:08:58 | markun | It does |
| 13:09:04 | dongs | oh?> |
| 13:09:06 | amiconn | markun: I don't think this makes sense. What if some mp3s have hebrew names, and others have e.g. english names? |
| 13:09:06 | markun | Just not the allignment |
| 13:09:23 | amiconn | Do we want to align the lines different? Might look really strange |
| 13:09:26 | markun | amiconn: yes, that would look very nice :) |
| 13:09:33 | dongs | amiconn: |
| 13:09:57 | dongs | <dongs> what happens if there's like 2 english and 2 jew tracks? |
| 13:09:58 | dongs | <dongs> english ones are normal, hebrew is to the right? |
| 13:09:58 | dongs | <iTayb> yeah |
| 13:10:07 | amiconn | The menus could be mirrored when an rtl .lng is loaded |
| 13:10:07 | markun | We should ask jewish and arab people how they prefer it. |
| 13:10:14 | amiconn | (would need a flag in the .lng) |
| 13:10:54 | markun | dongs: well, it's possible of course. Does he know how to program? |
| 13:11:02 | dongs | nom but he knows how to complain :D |
| 13:11:38 | preglow | ghargh |
| 13:11:50 | markun | There are some rockbox programmers from israel |
| 13:11:51 | preglow | i can't decide whether i like optical cables or not |
| 13:11:56 | preglow | but they sure as hell break easily |
| 13:12:12 | markun | preglow: what did you do to it? |
| 13:12:16 | amiconn | preglow: How do you break optical cables? |
| 13:12:36 | preglow | dunno, i found the old one i used in a box now, and it obviously didn't survive the last time i moved |
| 13:12:49 | dongs | did it get frozen? |
| 13:12:55 | preglow | when plugged in a transmitter, i can just barely see the red light at the other end |
| 13:12:59 | preglow | no, no cold |
| 13:13:33 | dongs | cant imagine what you have to do to kill a optical cable |
| 13:13:42 | preglow | i've killed at least three i can think of |
| 13:13:47 | preglow | and i tend to be careful with stuff |
| 13:14:34 | amiconn | preglow: Regarding the recording monitor - it striked me that if we monitor, voice won't work in parallel |
| 13:14:42 | amiconn | s/striked/stroke/ |
| 13:14:42 | preglow | indeed it won't |
| 13:15:19 | amiconn | Is it possible to switch between monitoring and pcm out without disturbing recording? (guess it is) |
| 13:15:51 | preglow | should be |
| 13:17:04 | amiconn | I expect another problem with my spdif passthrough tests. It might be mechanically impossible to plug 2 optical cables (with toslink->mini adapters) at the same time |
| 13:17:18 | preglow | amiconn: good work, i can't kill recording however hard i try |
| 13:18:00 | Mikachu | amiconn: shouldn't you use a named definef or that 3<<20 too/ |
| 13:18:05 | preglow | it might be possible here, i just need to cut some plastic off my adapter |
| 13:20:36 | preglow | but i haven't got another one, so not much of a point |
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| 13:22:48 | amiconn | It's already a bit tricky to plug optical in and analog line out... |
| 13:24:13 | whatboutbob | evening all. |
| 13:24:48 | whatboutbob | amiconn: optical cables can be incredibly easy to break. |
| 13:24:56 | whatboutbob | they're a pain in the arse. |
| 13:25:25 | whatboutbob | bend them too much and they're screwed. |
| 13:26:18 | whatboutbob | oh, and past tense of 'strike' is 'struck'. :-) |
| 13:27:12 | qwm | :> |
| 13:27:14 | whatboutbob | h120 > h140 optical recording works a charm. |
| 13:27:29 | qwm | is there any way to donate without using paypal? |
| 13:28:05 | whatboutbob | i can't get the damn thing to hang at 16/44.1, no matter how hard I try. |
| 13:28:19 | whatboutbob | I'm getting some folks to test at other sample rates. |
| 13:28:23 | markun | qwm: you could transfer the money to Zagor I guess |
| 13:29:00 | preglow | i'll have a new patch ready later today |
| 13:29:03 | preglow | hoping to commit it |
| 13:29:16 | whatboutbob | sweet! |
| 13:29:19 | qwm | :> |
| 13:29:43 | Zagor | qwm: direct transfer is accepted. i can give you an account number privately if you want. |
| 13:29:45 | * | amiconn got the impression that toslink cables are rather robust... |
| 13:29:52 | whatboutbob | preglow: auto-enable/disable on digital recording entry/exit? |
| 13:29:57 | preglow | whatboutbob: yes |
| 13:31:03 | whatboutbob | amiconn: not in my experience. :-( |
| 13:31:16 | qwm | Zagor: alright. :> |
| 13:31:55 | whatboutbob | preglow: you think your sample detection code is necessary? Any chance its just mborus' hardware? |
| 13:32:35 | preglow | whatboutbob: it's the only way i know of to detect sample rates bigger than 48khz too |
| 13:32:44 | markun | qwm: not a lot of IRC standup comedy from you lately :) |
| 13:32:51 | preglow | amiconn: at least i couldn't see any flags in the channel config reg that indicated double rate, did you? |
| 13:33:08 | whatboutbob | i really should just read the manual, but rockbox playback always samples back to 44.1, doesn't it? |
| 13:33:13 | qwm | markun: nope, i got bored with it. ;) |
| 13:33:19 | whatboutbob | ie there's no way for me to test higher sample reates recording between h1xx's? |
| 13:33:48 | preglow | playback is always 44.1khz at the moment, yes |
| 13:33:57 | preglow | even on ipod, where it's not necessary |
| 13:34:04 | preglow | but that'll be changed |
| 13:34:29 | whatboutbob | ipod?...or the line b4 that? |
| 13:34:50 | preglow | ipod |
| 13:34:53 | preglow | iriver has to use 44.1khz |
| 13:34:57 | preglow | or 22050 or 11025 |
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| 13:35:02 | preglow | but those aren't really attractive anyway |
| 13:35:10 | preglow | afaik, ipods have the possibility to use a wider range of sample rates |
| 13:35:12 | whatboutbob | bah...evil white spawns of so and so... |
| 13:36:55 | whatboutbob | i'm pretty impressed w/ my new toslink > 3.5mm adapter btw...first one (of 3) i've had that doesn't cause problems. |
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| 13:37:33 | ashridah | wait. a 1 in 3 success rate makes you impressed? |
| 13:38:10 | whatboutbob | preglow: any ideas how/if rockbox might give some indication of signal failure during recording? |
| 13:38:37 | preglow | no, but it is possible |
| 13:38:39 | whatboutbob | ashridah: well...the 2 in 3 failure rate pisses me off...but lucky for me I've got a bad long-term memory. |
| 13:38:49 | preglow | it's up to you guys that use it to find out how you want it to work |
| 13:39:07 | preglow | currently recording will just stop temporarily if the error is severe |
| 13:39:17 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 13:39:38 | whatboutbob | preglow: really? that's not what i found? (unless i've misunderstood) |
| 13:40:17 | whatboutbob | oh...wait...i think i have...you mean it pauses and restarts when signal is found again...right? |
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| 13:40:21 | JdGordon | good news.. i got the jumping back to wps working from inside menus :D except it jumps to the file browser first which is a bit wierd :p |
| 13:40:56 | preglow | whatboutbob: not restart, it just resumes the recording |
| 13:40:57 | markun | Jungti1234: hi |
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| 13:42:05 | whatboutbob | preglow: fair correction. does anyone else feel shamed when your command of english is less than those who speak it as a second language? |
| 13:42:42 | Mikachu | than of those* |
| 13:42:50 | Mikachu | i mean hi |
| 13:42:59 | whatboutbob | bastard. :-) |
| 13:43:20 | whatboutbob | i mean hi. |
| 13:43:24 | Jungti1234 | markun: Long time no see :) |
| 13:44:53 | whatboutbob | preglow: my gut says some indication that your recording is faulty would be handy...but I'll check with some more tapers. |
| 13:52:25 | preglow | it would be handy |
| 13:52:29 | preglow | i'm just not very eager to fix it :) |
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| 13:57:46 | amiconn | preglow: The error counter is increased for every dma error and/or symbol error, parity error etc |
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| 13:57:58 | amiconn | We just need a way to display it |
| 13:59:14 | whatboutbob | symbol on status bar? |
| 13:59:36 | petur | this should be bundled with other recording statistics like clipping events count |
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| 14:00:24 | whatboutbob | petur: like a log? |
| 14:01:09 | petur | maybe an entry in the recording menu: current stats and a method to reset them |
| 14:01:34 | preglow | amiconn: well, what about the sample rate line? |
| 14:01:43 | whatboutbob | i believe vinylivo's got something similar in mind for his agc patch... |
| 14:02:42 | petur | when the recording screen is re-done, we also need a better/bigger recording indicator |
| 14:05:59 | whatboutbob | petur: agreed |
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| 14:19:33 | B4gder | 991488 bytes |
| 14:19:43 | B4gder | the size of all fonts in a current zip package |
| 14:20:47 | B4gder | time to make a separate font package |
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| 14:22:32 | LinusN | wow |
| 14:22:48 | LinusN | and include thise unicode fonts in the tracker |
| 14:22:52 | LinusN | those |
| 14:22:55 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:22:58 | dpro | B4gder: good idea since I regularly update but hardly ever any fonts ;) |
| 14:23:04 | Mikachu | it seems a bit silly that every build server sends the fonts back and forth |
| 14:23:08 | B4gder | the fonts almost nevcer change |
| 14:23:23 | B4gder | and these guys who update every day |
| 14:23:28 | * | petur thinks whataboutbob should donate him a remote :P |
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| 14:24:08 | B4gder | would that be a separate fonts package or a separate "the whole lot including fonts" package? |
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| 14:24:54 | B4gder | probably the latter I guess |
| 14:25:07 | B4gder | for first-timers etc |
| 14:25:09 | markun | just the fonts would ok to me as well |
| 14:25:31 | B4gder | oh well, I could produce make targets for all three kinds |
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| 14:25:50 | Mikachu | then you'd still have to have the build servers send the full zip every time/day |
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| 14:26:06 | B4gder | nah |
| 14:26:11 | Mikachu | or you could rezip them at home |
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| 14:26:12 | B4gder | the regular make zip won't include any fonts |
| 14:26:22 | whatboutbob | petur: you want one? (seriously) |
| 14:26:35 | petur | was kidding :P |
| 14:26:55 | whatboutbob | *shrug* I've got a spare (well...2 actually...) |
| 14:27:04 | petur | I can't do that without testing with a real remote... |
| 14:28:30 | Mikachu | i'll just let you work it out :) |
| 14:28:40 | amiconn | B4gder: If we separate the fonts, we could even supply more of them. But then the packages should differ for the different targets |
| 14:28:57 | amiconn | Not much sense in providing a 24px+ font for acrhos... |
| 14:29:23 | petur | :D |
| 14:29:25 | Mikachu | 6px for iPV would be fun too |
| 14:30:36 | whatboutbob | petur: you under-estimate how much I use the remote. :) |
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| 14:33:26 | * | whatboutbob is recalling how much of Mmmm's remote recording patch petur committed w/o owning a remote and giggles to himself... |
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| 14:34:52 | petur | did I? |
| 14:35:39 | * | whatboutbob believes so...his brain may be crack-addled though. |
| 14:36:09 | petur | I can't remember... maybe somebody else did that :P |
| 14:36:33 | preglow | we definitely need more unicode fonts |
| 14:37:08 | markun | preglow: dongs made a tool to create a nice unicode font from several ttf sources |
| 14:37:22 | markun | Of course we couldn't ship such a font, but maybe the tool |
| 14:37:27 | preglow | wow |
| 14:37:28 | preglow | cool |
| 14:37:31 | preglow | what's the result look like? |
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| 14:38:04 | Gandalf21 | hi |
| 14:38:15 | whatboutbob | preglow: has anyone (err...febs?) tested your sweep generator? |
| 14:38:24 | preglow | i have |
| 14:38:24 | preglow | heh |
| 14:38:45 | markun | dongs: can you give us the link to your screenshots again? |
| 14:38:53 | whatboutbob | hehehe...want another victim? err...tester? |
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| 14:40:30 | Gandalf21 | i'd like to try this firmware...but if i want to uninstall it...i can just use IpodUpdater? |
| 14:40:48 | preglow | whatboutbob: i posted some source yesterday |
| 14:41:05 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/signal_gen.c |
| 14:44:21 | dpro | Gandalf: sure, or you can use the backup of your firmware you made anyway and just put it back |
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| 14:45:00 | Gandalf21 | but it can only play rvf movie? or what else? |
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| 14:45:32 | markun | Gandalf21: no movies |
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| 14:45:49 | Gandalf21 | :( |
| 14:45:53 | Gandalf21 | i have the 5g |
| 14:46:01 | markun | Gandalf21: you can dual boot |
| 14:46:09 | markun | So for movies go back to the apple firmware |
| 14:46:18 | Gandalf21 | cute |
| 14:46:23 | B4gder | svart:build-iaudiox5>ls -l *zip |
| 14:46:23 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 984311 May 10 14:42 rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 14:46:23 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 2194726 May 10 14:46 rockbox-full.zip |
| 14:46:23 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK B4gder |
| 14:46:23 | B4gder | -rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 1071982 May 10 14:43 rockbox.zip |
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| 14:46:34 | Gandalf21 | and rvf what are? |
| 14:46:51 | B4gder | using make zip, make fonts and make fullzip |
| 14:46:55 | markun | Movies for the archos version of rockbox |
| 14:47:02 | Gandalf21 | ok |
| 14:47:04 | Mikachu | B4gder: not fontszip? |
| 14:47:06 | theli_ua | why can i get such error : /usr/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.2.0-alpha20060408/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld:/home/theli/Projects/rockbox-devel/build/apps/plugins/***/link.lds:1: syntax error ? |
| 14:47:14 | B4gder | Mikachu: 'make fonts' |
| 14:47:19 | preglow | 4.2.0 ????? |
| 14:47:23 | petur | whataboutbob: where are you from? |
| 14:47:25 | theli_ua | :D |
| 14:47:25 | B4gder | or is fontzip a better name? |
| 14:47:30 | Mikachu | that was my question |
| 14:47:38 | B4gder | my too! ;-) |
| 14:47:51 | markun | and make font7zip maybe? |
| 14:48:09 | theli_ua | preglow, what's wrong with 4.2.0 for arms ? |
| 14:48:12 | Zagor | fontzip is better if you actually make the zip, not convert the fonts or some such |
| 14:48:26 | B4gder | ok, let's call it fontzip |
| 14:49:03 | B4gder | rockbox-fonts.zip has the fonts in a .rockbox/fonts subdir |
| 14:49:49 | Gandalf21 | i installed new versione of Apple firmware....used GoPod....but volume isn't strong :( |
| 14:50:24 | B4gder | I figure we then need to provide both full and ordinary daily packages |
| 14:50:33 | preglow | theli_ua: well, for one, it's not even close to release yet |
| 14:50:39 | preglow | theli_ua: it might have horrible bugs |
| 14:50:40 | B4gder | or possibly just point out a recent font zip |
| 14:50:54 | JdGordon | if your p[laying with the makefile.. time to but rockbox.iriver in the .rockbox folder ? :D |
| 14:50:59 | theli_ua | preglow, haven't got any problems yet :) |
| 14:51:18 | B4gder | but then that's not controled by the makefile of course ;-) |
| 14:51:26 | JdGordon | :( |
| 14:51:30 | JdGordon | worth a shot :D |
| 14:51:37 | amiconn | B4gder: While you're at the buildzip script, could you please exclude the backdrop and eq dirs for archos? |
| 14:51:59 | B4gder | hm |
| 14:52:05 | B4gder | not easily, no |
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| 14:54:32 | PaulJam | how does the user know when the rockbox-fonts.zip is updated without going through the cvs changes? will there be some kind of version number? |
| 14:54:53 | B4gder | we've bumped font version once |
| 14:55:07 | B4gder | and then all the old fonts become unusable |
| 14:55:23 | B4gder | so it is quite noticable ;-) |
| 14:55:28 | whatboutbob | petur: melbourne, australia |
| 14:55:45 | whatboutbob | ...but aussie post is cheap. :-) |
| 14:55:49 | petur | oh, right next door |
| 14:56:10 | whatboutbob | yeah...i'm pretty sure it goes switzerland, austria, australia... |
| 14:56:19 | whatboutbob | ...a stone's throw. |
| 14:56:51 | whatboutbob | seriously though i think it'd be like AU$5...which is like .0001 euros... |
| 14:57:24 | whatboutbob | (btw, i never took geography at school) |
| 14:57:47 | B4gder | 5 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 3.029 EUR (Germany Euro) |
| 14:57:59 | petur | German euro??? |
| 14:58:01 | whatboutbob | bah...details! |
| 14:58:08 | B4gder | GermanY |
| 14:58:19 | B4gder | its a country |
| 14:58:23 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 14:58:42 | whatboutbob | b4gder: ooh...lookout...you didn't just call petur german did you? :) |
| 14:58:48 | petur | Euro's arent' from GermanY |
| 14:58:49 | B4gder | haha |
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| 14:59:00 | preglow | amiconn: btw, how many bytes did the rockbox executable shed when you properly fixed the long-call stuff? |
| 14:59:02 | B4gder | petur: sure there are Euros from germany |
| 14:59:03 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 14:59:03 | * | petur is .be |
| 14:59:18 | B4gder | and they use them too |
| 14:59:48 | B4gder | 5 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 3.029 EUR (Belgium Euro) |
| 14:59:54 | petur | whee |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:02 | crwl | hey, euro is euro is euro |
| 15:00:38 | Mikachu | it prints the country and the currency |
| 15:00:42 | B4gder | by currency hack is based on regions/countries |
| 15:00:53 | crwl | well, the output looks slightly stupid :P |
| 15:01:05 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/?sum=5&curr1=Belgium&curr2=Australia |
| 15:01:08 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 15:01:16 | Mikachu | % cconv 5 aud to eur |
| 15:01:16 | Mikachu | 5.00 AUD equals 3.03 EUR |
| 15:01:19 | Mikachu | yours is more exact :( |
| 15:01:20 | markun | Jungti1234: bye |
| 15:01:33 | petur | woops, payed work is knocking on the door... |
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| 15:01:42 | whatboutbob | petur: so I'm pretty sure France fits into my home state 7 times...eez not an obstacle. |
| 15:02:08 | petur | Belgium fill fit a lot more :) |
| 15:02:17 | petur | *will |
| 15:02:27 | whatboutbob | hehehehe...true |
| 15:02:36 | Mikachu | europeans aren't as fat so the countries can be smaller |
| 15:02:55 | petur | rotfl |
| 15:03:18 | petur | the american disease is starting to show up here too :( |
| 15:04:01 | whatboutbob | ergh...I saw 'Super Size Me' last week...gross....just gross... |
| 15:05:26 | amiconn | preglow: About 15KB (mini2g) |
| 15:07:16 | whatboutbob | petur: brittany spears? |
| 15:07:36 | Mikachu | whatboutbob: http://www.google.com/jobs/britney.html |
| 15:08:06 | whatboutbob | i'm proud that i spelt that wrong. |
| 15:08:34 | petur | buttney spears :D |
| 15:10:14 | whatboutbob | petur: pehaps I'll try Mmm b4 mailing stuff around the world. :-) |
| 15:10:58 | petur | sending it back would cost a lot - postage here is bloody expensive |
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| 15:14:36 | whatboutbob | petur: i *could* send you the remote I stepped on and scratched the hell out of...and i'll never use again. Sounds appealing doesn't it? |
| 15:14:47 | petur | sure |
| 15:15:13 | preglow | amiconn: so _only_ static linking is done short-call? |
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| 15:15:39 | midkay | amiconn? |
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| 15:21:30 | michaelconner | hi all... quick question |
| 15:21:48 | michaelconner | how much does replaygain affect battery life on ipods? |
| 15:21:54 | michaelconner | (or does it?) |
| 15:22:01 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, when building with -mlong-call and the function doesn't go into a special section |
| 15:23:48 | preglow | urgh |
| 15:23:59 | preglow | i want all calls but iram calls short :/ |
| 15:24:20 | preglow | but i guess that would almost certainly mean overhauling gcc |
| 15:24:27 | amiconn | The gcc heuristics whether a function should be long call is rather bad |
| 15:24:31 | ThreeM | wow, im really impresst what you people done with rockbox. Its soooo much more compfortable, and very useful 4 ipod users. thx to all . and sorry for my bad english |
| 15:24:37 | midkay | amiconn, you said the viewer needs fixing badly, which i am in complete agreement with, and although i've tried re-introducing filepos-saving.. this is kind of holding me back, maybe you have an idea. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4729 |
| 15:24:52 | amiconn | In fact it doesn't depend on the called function but also on the caller |
| 15:24:57 | preglow | sure |
| 15:25:15 | preglow | if the caller is placed in some non-default section, it should long-call |
| 15:25:20 | amiconn | Ideally we would only want long calls for calls dram->iram or iram->dram |
| 15:25:31 | petur | whatboutbob: ok I gave in :D |
| 15:25:33 | amiconn | ..and short calls for dram->dram and iram->iram |
| 15:25:53 | preglow | i refuse to believe it can be hard |
| 15:26:10 | preglow | if we included the ICODE_ATTR define in all .h files, it should work |
| 15:26:29 | amiconn | This is impossible to achieve with the current options offered by gcc (function attributes, #pragma, and -mlong-calls) |
| 15:26:45 | amiconn | ..and even therein, gcc has bugs |
| 15:27:00 | * | JdGordon prays for malloc and free in plugins... :'( |
| 15:27:45 | * | amiconn doesn't understand what malloc should be good for, *perhaps* except for porting large third-party apps (like doom) |
| 15:27:53 | preglow | agreed |
| 15:28:02 | JdGordon | so linked lists arnt a complete mind rape :D |
| 15:28:07 | preglow | haha |
| 15:28:25 | preglow | if you think linked lists with no malloc is a mind rape, you need more linked lists experience and should start coding :) |
| 15:28:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: Why would you need malloc for linked lists? |
| 15:28:43 | Mikachu | in rockbox you already have all memory |
| 15:28:49 | amiconn | Tagcache and dircache use linked lists, with no malloc |
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| 15:29:08 | petur | soon they'll want to use STL :P |
| 15:29:15 | JdGordon | im doing with pointers in a static array, and its just bloody confusing... |
| 15:29:43 | preglow | amiconn: but my reasoning goes like this: gcc should always assume shortcall, unless it sees that a funtion it's about to call into/out of is in some non-default section |
| 15:29:58 | dpro | whatboutbob: well france is a little smaller than half the size of alaska so you must live in an previously unknown state ... |
| 15:30:13 | B4gder | australia |
| 15:30:39 | B4gder | that's an unknown US state all right ;-) |
| 15:31:04 | JdGordon | we aint a yank state.. even if our PM loves bush sooo much.. |
| 15:31:15 | dpro | ah ok - that's the one with lot's of parking space right ? |
| 15:31:45 | JdGordon | yes, and we ride kanagoos to school.. |
| 15:31:53 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but that's not possible with current gcc |
| 15:32:28 | preglow | JdGordon: i thought you rode dingos |
| 15:33:25 | JdGordon | no.. we use dingos for abortions :D |
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| 15:33:39 | JdGordon | oh noes!! the dingo ate my baby!! :D |
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| 15:33:50 | preglow | hahaha |
| 15:34:21 | preglow | but i gotta go |
| 15:34:21 | preglow | bbl |
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| 15:36:47 | JdGordon | amiconn: iv figured out the problem with the wierd lines at the bottom of files... its adding 40 extra lines which arnt int the file!! no idea why tho.. does rb->read_line() do something "funny" ? |
| 15:39:04 | whatboutbob | dpro: my apologies...i was exaggerating...I meant 'more than 3 times the size of France'. |
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| 15:39:56 | theli_ua | i suppose it is impossible to use malloc in plugins? |
| 15:40:21 | LinusN | rockbox has no malloc |
| 15:41:16 | theli_ua | so how can i do something like this: bigmem = (byte *) malloc((unsigned) (0x10000 * (num64ksegs + 1))); ? |
| 15:41:33 | B4gder | allocate staticly for the worst case |
| 15:42:19 | theli_ua | or use something as my_malloc in someplugins? |
| 15:42:40 | B4gder | that's possible too, just less good usually |
| 15:43:02 | theli_ua | why? |
| 15:43:09 | B4gder | you don't gain anything by pretending we have malloc |
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| 15:44:05 | theli_ua | :) |
| 15:44:09 | dpro | whatboutbob: hehe what do I care ... I'm from .at now go calculate ;) |
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| 15:45:39 | theli_ua | hm .. rockbox doesn't have rand() too? :) |
| 15:46:13 | B4gder | yes it does |
| 15:46:25 | theli_ua | srand ? |
| 15:46:30 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:46:46 | * | whatboutbob shows his ignorance and attempts to google '.at'. |
| 15:46:49 | theli_ua | oh .. i see .. just missed something |
| 15:47:21 | * | petur likes .at - visits it at least 3 times a year :D |
| 15:48:19 | whatboutbob | mwaha...oh...right...must confess I've only been there for the skiing |
| 15:48:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: ive fixed the first 2 of the text_editor bugs... the 3rd (obeying codepage) i dunno what needs to be done.. so a bit of proding would be nice :D, and 4 is wrapps at 2047 charcters.. |
| 15:48:31 | whatboutbob | (which was divine) |
| 15:48:53 | JdGordon | where the heck is .at? |
| 15:49:03 | petur | Austria |
| 15:49:12 | JdGordon | ah, i knew that :p |
| 15:50:33 | * | whatboutbob notes he's not the only ignorant Aussie in the house. :) |
| 15:50:56 | JdGordon | speaking of which... if u look at the credits on the back of the region 4 (maybe other regions) of the ps2 game spongebob squarepants it says austria instead of australia coz some idiot cant type :D |
| 15:51:15 | * | JdGordon is asleep and is excused for minor lapse of intelegence :p |
| 15:51:16 | whatboutbob | dpro: because you care, Austria would fit into Queensland approximately 20 times. |
| 15:52:16 | whatboutbob | ...about 19 of those would occupy wasteland... |
| 15:52:39 | whatboutbob | ...but its pretty wasteland... |
| 15:52:59 | ashridah | hey, let's not forget the banana country |
| 15:53:05 | whatboutbob | /end parochialism |
| 15:53:47 | whatboutbob | ashridah: are there any bananas left after the cyclone? |
| 15:54:07 | * | ashridah holds his hat over his heart and sniffs patriotically |
| 15:54:09 | JdGordon | ye, they r in melbourne seelling for $11 /kg ! |
| 15:54:54 | whatboutbob | jdgordon: tell me about it! Coburg market is selling for even more than that! |
| 15:55:10 | amiconn | JdGordon: viewer.rock obeys codepage, maybe it could provide some hints? |
| 15:55:14 | whatboutbob | ...and don't get me started on avocados... |
| 15:55:39 | JdGordon | ok, ill have a look |
| 15:55:46 | * | whatboutbob starts to wonder if he's...err...getting off discussion... |
| 15:56:02 | Ave | rb is suddendly losing all settings on reboot, is something broken in current builds? |
| 15:57:16 | whatboutbob | ah crap, i forgot to ask preglow if he managed to correct that problem with the source being reset from 'digital'. amiconn? |
| 15:59:04 | petur | Ave: did an upgrade from an old version? |
| 15:59:52 | amiconn | whatboutbob: I got the same behaviour. What's strange is that it should work... |
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| 16:00:53 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you know what will happen if we try to record with optical in a signal over 44.1 kHz? |
| 16:01:10 | whatboutbob | amiconn: i can't figure out when it doesn't save... |
| 16:01:35 | whatboutbob | XavierGr: I'm pretty sure you recorded 48kHz earlier... |
| 16:01:44 | XavierGr | yes I am too |
| 16:01:51 | whatboutbob | increased pitch until you correct headers. :) |
| 16:02:28 | XavierGr | interesting |
| 16:02:50 | whatboutbob | I believe preglow's upcoming patch *should* fix that (detects sample rate better). |
| 16:03:06 | amiconn | I tried 48kHz. It worked fine, wrote the correct wav header |
| 16:03:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: with rockbox right? |
| 16:03:21 | amiconn | That's without the freqmeas code |
| 16:03:29 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes of course, what else? |
| 16:03:47 | XavierGr | well yesterday I tried to use optical in/out with default firmware |
| 16:04:36 | XavierGr | it worked okay with 44.1 signal but once I tried 48kHz monitor was distorted and the recording was pitch shifted (thouh I am not sure I must recheck) |
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| 16:06:58 | amiconn | XavierGr: Monitoring is supposed to be a bit distorted with input != 44.1kHz |
| 16:07:08 | XavierGr | ah okay then |
| 16:07:10 | amiconn | Something with different audio clocks, not sure |
| 16:07:19 | amiconn | The recording should be fine though |
| 16:07:36 | XavierGr | maybe I was wrong I must retest about the shift |
| 16:07:43 | amiconn | My recording wasn't pitch shifted; it depends on what is written to the wav header |
| 16:08:19 | amiconn | The current patch relies on the channel status bits for figuring out the sample freq, so it depends on whether the source sets them correctly |
| 16:08:39 | amiconn | The upcoming patch will measure so it should always be correct |
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| 16:09:24 | XavierGr | then we will have to ask some users to make some tests about the known glitch of the optical recording. |
| 16:09:49 | XavierGr | some users have reported than using iriver firmware's optical in results in some lost samples. |
| 16:09:54 | whatboutbob | amiconn: care to hazard a guess on the likelihood of ever being able to record 20bits w/ rockbox on the h1xx? 1%, 10%, 100%? |
| 16:10:46 | whatboutbob | XavierGr: I can absolutely confirm lost samples w/ iriver f/w optical recording. |
| 16:11:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5336 <- damn labeled it as a bug accidently.. should be pacthes.... fixes the major problems... unicode comes later |
| 16:11:18 | * | JdGordon is going to bed |
| 16:11:49 | whatboutbob | XavierGr: ...and I can confirm that recording a 16/44.1 signal with rockbox is bit-perfect. |
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| 16:11:56 | B4gder | JdGordon: I made it a patch entry |
| 16:12:13 | whatboutbob | ...and some friends are testing w/ higher sampe rates today/tonight. |
| 16:12:36 | XavierGr | nice to hear |
| 16:12:55 | XavierGr | another Rockbox front shames iriver as a company |
| 16:13:10 | whatboutbob | mmhmm... |
| 16:14:23 | whatboutbob | hell...you've even got some people bagging out M-audio for its firmware issues with its dedicated 24/96 recorder (MicroTracker) |
| 16:14:46 | whatboutbob | 'rockbox does so and so...why can't you' |
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| 16:19:34 | amiconn | whatboutbob: 20 bits can't use DMA, so we'll end up in interrupt hell. I'd say it's not very likely to happen |
| 16:20:26 | whatboutbob | preglow/amiconn: I'm noticing a major lag in the load-time of resultant wavs from rockbox optical recording in adobe audition...i'm wondering if its because i've been pulling the plug during recording... |
| 16:20:33 | whatboutbob | amiconn: thanks. |
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| 16:23:52 | amiconn | Heck, I even did the current spdif work out of pure technical interest |
| 16:24:21 | * | amiconn does almost never record for real, let alone record from spdif sources |
| 16:24:44 | * | whatboutbob shakes his head... |
| 16:25:43 | whatboutbob | amiconn: that makes you and preglow...my hat is off to you gentleman. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; thank you. |
| 16:26:02 | whatboutbob | *gentlemen |
| 16:27:57 | whatboutbob | by-the-by, is there a faq on where rockbox donations go? |
| 16:28:23 | amiconn | Well, this is something in the line of "when the hardware allows it, it has to work in rockbox" |
| 16:28:49 | B4gder | whatboutbob: I don't think so, but we use the money mostly on HW |
| 16:29:16 | B4gder | and we paid food at the devcon using the fund |
| 16:29:30 | whatboutbob | mwaha |
| 16:29:36 | whatboutbob | living it up! |
| 16:33:41 | whatboutbob | b4gder: i assumed the hw aspect, but I've written a tapers faq for the h1xx. I've already acknowledged the fact that the h1xx is pretty much useless for recording w/o rockbox, and I'm encouraging donations... |
| 16:34:39 | B4gder | we've paid and sponsored quite a number of target players using donated funds |
| 16:36:17 | whatboutbob | ....but ideally I'd like to be able to point to a page that says something a little more informative than 'you're donating money to bjorn@haxx.se'. |
| 16:36:29 | B4gder | I understand |
| 16:36:38 | B4gder | perhaps I should write up a wiki page |
| 16:36:42 | whatboutbob | i really hope you don't take that the wrong way... |
| 16:37:25 | preglow | XavierGr: spdif monitoring will be distorted, yes |
| 16:37:32 | preglow | not much i can do about it |
| 16:37:40 | whatboutbob | I'm just trying to raise you guys more money, cos I think you've earned it. I for one don't care where my money has gone. The donate button on the rockbox homepage was enough for me. |
| 16:38:19 | preglow | XavierGr: if the wav is pitched up, then my next patch should fix it |
| 16:39:21 | amiconn | preglow: Do you know why it is distorted? I'm not sure... |
| 16:40:32 | preglow | because i'm using the uda iis clock to drive the output clock |
| 16:40:56 | preglow | you can't use the spdif incoming clock to clock any of the fifos |
| 16:41:06 | preglow | not as far as i could see at any rate |
| 16:42:31 | * | amiconn doesn't completely understand |
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| 16:42:38 | B4gder | whatboutbob: here's my initial take: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney |
| 16:43:15 | whatboutbob | b4gder: christ...will you just let me finish my rant? ;) |
| 16:44:07 | whatboutbob | b4gder: good enough for me. |
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| 16:45:27 | preglow | amiconn: i set ebu1 as source in iis2config |
| 16:45:32 | preglow | amiconn: but that doesn't mean it takes the clock from there |
| 16:45:45 | preglow | amiconn: and as far as i can see, there is no way to clock any of the iis channels from the ebu clock |
| 16:46:00 | whatboutbob | amiconn/preglow: boy...either my puter isn't happy with me...or its not happy with my 'messed with' optical recording...it just took ~40 mins to load a 2GB file, which usually takes ~10 mins. |
| 16:46:16 | amiconn | Hmm, so it's the clock mismatch that causes the distortion? |
| 16:46:18 | preglow | amiconn: so i always use 44.1khz clock coming from the uda, which will distort noticably at other rates than 44.1khz |
| 16:46:30 | preglow | amiconn: as a matter of fact, it'll distort at 44.1khz too, but not noticably |
| 16:47:09 | preglow | whatboutbob: heck if i know why |
| 16:47:14 | Mikachu | whatboutbob: maybe you should use an editor that supports inplace loading of .wav files |
| 16:47:20 | preglow | whatboutbob: i use the same good wav writing routines rockbox has always used for recording |
| 16:47:45 | preglow | good old, that is, they're not very good |
| 16:48:05 | whatboutbob | mikachu: 'inplace'? |
| 16:48:22 | Mikachu | i think in goldwave it's called flash loading, but i haven't used that in many years |
| 16:48:28 | preglow | what is that? |
| 16:48:40 | Mikachu | like instead of copying the whole file, it doesn't |
| 16:48:49 | preglow | the so-called "loasing" is usually just a peak scan |
| 16:48:50 | preglow | not a load |
| 16:48:55 | preglow | "loading", blargh |
| 16:48:58 | whatboutbob | like it loads 'as is'...? |
| 16:49:09 | Mikachu | 40 minutes sounds like it's writing a copy somewhere.. |
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| 16:49:46 | Mikachu | it's 850kB/s on average... |
| 16:50:40 | * | whatboutbob suspects that 'cd wave' might be similar to goldwave...giving it a shot now. |
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| 16:51:20 | whatboutbob | ...but this isn't typical behaviour from loading analog rockbox recordings... |
| 16:51:31 | preglow | then check out the header to see if it's right |
| 16:51:35 | preglow | not much apart from the header can be wrong |
| 16:52:00 | preglow | and are you sure it's actually using 40 minutes? it might just report that as a result from a faulty header field, but then actually use far less time |
| 16:52:01 | whatboutbob | is there a way to view header w/o opening the file? |
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| 16:52:22 | Mikachu | try 'file' in cygwin |
| 16:52:27 | preglow | i believe cool edit/audition lets you view the header directly |
| 16:52:28 | whatboutbob | preglow: the file has been slooooowly loading for 30 mins. |
| 16:54:08 | whatboutbob | header info looks ok in audition. don't worry guys...i haven't restarted the puter in a few days...i'll report back if it continues to be an issue. |
| 16:54:16 | whatboutbob | *40mins |
| 16:54:28 | whatboutbob | (jus finished now) |
| 16:54:34 | whatboutbob | *just |
| 16:54:40 | whatboutbob | i'm gonna stop typing soon.... |
| 16:54:58 | preglow | hahaha |
| 16:56:46 | XavierGr | preglow: my tests were done on original firmware, so I guess the same will apply in rockbox for monitoring right? |
| 16:57:37 | preglow | yes |
| 16:58:13 | preglow | XavierGr: but original firmware tags your wav files right at 48khz, yes? |
| 16:58:38 | XavierGr | I am not sure about that. I must retest. |
| 16:58:51 | XavierGr | but the monitring was definitely distorted |
| 16:58:55 | preglow | yes, that i know |
| 16:59:00 | preglow | but i think it tags the wavs right |
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| 17:00:08 | XavierGr | 3rd time I get a winlogon error and BSOD imminent |
| 17:00:14 | XavierGr | I am getting sick of Windows |
| 17:00:22 | XavierGr | I think I will have to ghost the damn thing |
| 17:00:42 | whatboutbob | Xavier:Gr: 'bout time by the sounds of it... |
| 17:01:56 | amiconn | Hardware problem, maybe? |
| 17:02:10 | preglow | sounds like it's time for a windows reinstall |
| 17:03:38 | whatboutbob | i've got some kinds of a weird-arse conflict whenever i play winamp atm...my monitor blacks out for ~5 seconds every 10 mins or so...not irritating at all. |
| 17:04:24 | whatboutbob | the good news is, after hours of recording, I can confirm auto-split @ 2GB w/ optical recording still works fine... |
| 17:04:27 | * | amiconn has his laptop for >2.5 years now. No windows reinstall at all, it's still the manufacturer's installation |
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| 17:04:54 | preglow | my windows install started rotting the moment i switched to linux |
| 17:04:57 | preglow | i think it's taking revenge |
| 17:05:14 | whatboutbob | ...like a jealous girlfriend... |
| 17:05:14 | petur | I ran the same w2k install on my previous computer for 6 years... |
| 17:05:16 | preglow | the last time i booted it, all disk acceses were so slow it was unusable |
| 17:06:06 | whatboutbob | bah....'cd wave' just loaded the same file in ~ 7 mins...damned if i know what audition's doing. |
| 17:06:25 | preglow | amiconn: can you control spdif power for archos? |
| 17:10:37 | amiconn | There is no separate spdif power... it's coax, not optical |
| 17:11:12 | amiconn | We can switch spdif to high-z in the mas, but I don't think this'll save anything measurable |
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| 17:12:41 | amiconn | afk |
| 17:15:58 | preglow | ahh, right, i forgot that |
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| 17:28:28 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 17:28:33 | XavierGr | PEPE? |
| 17:29:11 | Genre9mp3 | Ok..I'm bit embarassed about that...:) |
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| 17:30:22 | XavierGr | [18:04] * amiconn has his laptop for >2.5 years now. No windows reinstall at all, it's still the manufacturer's installation <- amiconn: What sort of usage do you make? I am causcious with windows still I have to ghost a stable image every 3 months at least. |
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| 17:31:51 | XavierGr | preglow: try to use ghost over a stable image. It saved my numerous times from reinstalling. Windows can break very easy. But from my little experience Linux do that too. |
| 17:32:09 | XavierGr | First time I installed Linux I broke the installation within 20 minutes of usage |
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| 17:38:41 | preglow | i don't have a stable image nor enough space for one |
| 17:39:00 | preglow | when linux breaks, it's very often possible to fix it |
| 17:39:23 | preglow | in windows you have to be a bloody wizard, since the internals aren't very clear |
| 17:39:25 | XavierGr | preglow: maybe, but I am a Linux newbie |
| 17:39:53 | XavierGr | I remember I typed a command chmod 777 -R * |
| 17:40:00 | XavierGr | and hell broke loose |
| 17:40:05 | preglow | sounds fruitful |
| 17:40:15 | preglow | stuff like that can be really hard to fix |
| 17:40:23 | preglow | which is why you should avoid it :) |
| 17:40:31 | Mikachu | if you are root you can do anything |
| 17:40:38 | Mikachu | i'd be impressed if you can break linux as a user |
| 17:40:48 | XavierGr | I was annoyed by the fact that I couldn't write to some files I wanted so I came up with it |
| 17:41:10 | Mikachu | lol |
| 17:41:30 | Mikachu | "i thought documents and settings was too long, so i renamed it home" |
| 17:41:33 | dongs | what |
| 17:41:39 | dongs | its only hard to fix if you ahve no idea |
| 17:41:59 | Mikachu | especially when windows says such gems as 'error: success' |
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| 17:44:04 | dongs | oh right and LUNIX doesnt have its share of utterly retarded error messages |
| 17:44:08 | dongs | plz |
| 17:44:13 | dongs | if youre gonna troll, dont do it in here |
| 17:44:28 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 17:44:30 | XavierGr | flamewars |
| 17:44:51 | Mikachu | i didn't start it |
| 17:45:06 | Mikachu | at least in linux, you can grep the source for the message |
| 17:45:30 | XavierGr | I have to vote for Linux too even if I am using Windows. It is a bad habit I grew up with. |
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| 17:57:58 | nudelyn | "error: success" is usually caused by programs detecting an error and then doing something else before they call GetErrorCode() to retrieve the error number. The something else succeeds and the error number is reset to 0 ("success"). It's a program but, not a Windows bug, though there may be parts of Windows with the bug I suppose. |
| 17:58:14 | nudelyn | s/but/bug/ |
| 17:59:45 | dongs | more like GetLastError(). |
| 17:59:49 | dongs | get your windows programming right |
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| 18:00:10 | nudelyn | that's the one :) |
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| 18:04:29 | whatboutbob | amiconn: have you got a patch for this?: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 (remote ticking reduction...maybe...) |
| 18:04:59 | XavierGr | whatboutbob: this is already fixed |
| 18:05:08 | XavierGr | and included in CVS |
| 18:05:19 | XavierGr | though maybe on some units there is still remote ticking |
| 18:05:29 | XavierGr | but with this fix it is reduced as far as possible |
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| 18:06:39 | whatboutbob | hrmm...my current build still has noticeable ticking. :( |
| 18:07:05 | XavierGr | did you set the option to on? |
| 18:07:11 | whatboutbob | (*ticking only noticeable during silence between tracks...but irritating nonetheless) |
| 18:07:13 | XavierGr | what target H300 or H100? |
| 18:07:15 | whatboutbob | ...and yes...set to on. |
| 18:07:21 | whatboutbob | h120 |
| 18:08:11 | XavierGr | strange I have 2 H100 and 3 remotes. With the option set to on I can't hear it at all. (and if it is there, it is pretty reduced) |
| 18:08:44 | XavierGr | my mistake not 3 but 4 remotes (show off mode on) :p |
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| 18:09:42 | whatboutbob | using e3c iem's (headphones i predominantly use)...i notice it with 4/4 of my remotes...3/3 of my h1xx's... |
| 18:10:00 | XavierGr | I have e2c |
| 18:10:05 | whatboutbob | (that's ranging back over the last month though...) |
| 18:10:25 | XavierGr | wow I thought that it was rare to have 4 remotes but still... |
| 18:11:03 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: whatboutbob beats you! :-P |
| 18:11:03 | thegeek | I don't get ticking with my h120 + remote + shure e3's |
| 18:11:09 | whatboutbob | hehe...well...you'll have me topped tomorrow...i'm donating one to the rockbox (well...partly "my") cause... |
| 18:11:21 | thegeek | but I use a custom extension cable with a resistor |
| 18:11:27 | thegeek | to eliminate noise |
| 18:11:38 | whatboutbob | thegeek: do go on...please... |
| 18:11:46 | thegeek | ? |
| 18:11:56 | thegeek | go on about what? |
| 18:12:00 | XavierGr | the fix you made |
| 18:12:09 | whatboutbob | ^^ what he said... |
| 18:12:17 | thegeek | am I the only one confused here? |
| 18:12:18 | thegeek | what fix? |
| 18:12:35 | thegeek | I made a cable with a 75 ohm resistor on all channels |
| 18:12:38 | whatboutbob | "extension cable with resistor'/// |
| 18:13:09 | thegeek | this way even headphones with very low impendance (shure e3's have only 27 or something) dont hear noise |
| 18:13:18 | thegeek | I can't get as high volume, but I never need it anyway |
| 18:13:33 | whatboutbob | (one does't w/ shure iems) |
| 18:13:38 | thegeek | I can't really hear the noise unless I use the e3's in a very silen environment |
| 18:13:47 | whatboutbob | interesting.... |
| 18:13:57 | thegeek | *silent |
| 18:14:03 | thegeek | and the noise is not ticking |
| 18:14:05 | whatboutbob | hang on...you can still hear the noise w/ your cable? |
| 18:14:06 | thegeek | just basic white noise |
| 18:14:11 | thegeek | no |
| 18:14:23 | thegeek | but I can only hear the noise when there are no sounds around me |
| 18:14:41 | thegeek | and it's just normal white noise that almost all cheap amplifiers make |
| 18:14:51 | whatboutbob | ah...i hear the damn ticking on a train between tracks... |
| 18:15:10 | whatboutbob | (errr...that might need clarification...hehe...) |
| 18:15:37 | thegeek | well I dont have any problem with ticking;) |
| 18:15:46 | whatboutbob | i hear the damn ticking between music tracks, even while I'm on the train. |
| 18:16:09 | XavierGr | wow that's a lot of ticking |
| 18:16:16 | dongs | lol audiophiles |
| 18:16:26 | dongs | i use apple headphones and im proud of it |
| 18:16:32 | XavierGr | ewwww |
| 18:16:36 | XavierGr | apple? |
| 18:16:39 | XavierGr | :P |
| 18:16:44 | dongs | yea. the stuff that came with my ipod |
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| 18:16:49 | * | whatboutbob shakes his head in dongs' direction. :) |
| 18:16:57 | markun | dongs: why proud? Because you can pay for an ipod? |
| 18:17:17 | whatboutbob | mwaha |
| 18:17:45 | dongs | markun: lol, no mine was free. probably because i dont obsess over sound quality. |
| 18:18:12 | whatboutbob | keep in mind that the e3's have about 30dB isolation if I'm not mistaken (its been a while since i've seen the figures)... |
| 18:18:14 | dongs | a shitty earphone sounds same to me as $500 piece. and i'd rather have something with open ears so i can pay attention to around me |
| 18:18:38 | whatboutbob | down with the outside world i say! |
| 18:19:45 | whatboutbob | thegeek: mind if I pm you on the forum to get more details about your cable? |
| 18:19:52 | XavierGr | ok time to push the yes button on the winlogon error and get the BSOD |
| 18:19:58 | Genre9mp3 | About the E3c's...They seem smaller than E2 in the pics I've seen. Is this true? |
| 18:20:01 | XavierGr | then I will restore an older ghost image |
| 18:20:11 | XavierGr | bye all |
| 18:20:13 | * | whatboutbob waves goodbye to Xav... |
| 18:20:30 | XavierGr | ok here we go |
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| 18:21:02 | whatboutbob | genre9mp3: sorry...never had the e2's so i don't know. |
| 18:22:16 | Genre9mp3 | I'm a bit worried about how comfort they are (E2)...Are the E3 comfort enough/easy to wear? |
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| 18:25:28 | whatboutbob | i find the e3's extremely comfortable to wear in ear for long periods of time. |
| 18:25:55 | whatboutbob | they're bloody annoying to wear in a work environment where you have to pull them out every 3 mins... |
| 18:26:10 | thegeek | whatboutbob : no problem |
| 18:26:16 | thegeek | but there is really no more details at all |
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| 18:26:39 | thegeek | it's just a simple extension with a resistor on each cable |
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| 18:27:11 | whatboutbob | thegeek: 'each cable'...there's more than one (see...I'm simple-minded). |
| 18:27:17 | whatboutbob | ? |
| 18:27:23 | thegeek | well |
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| 18:27:30 | thegeek | there are 3 cables ofcourse |
| 18:27:35 | thegeek | left right and ground |
| 18:28:05 | whatboutbob | ahhh...right...gotcha... |
| 18:28:09 | thegeek | ;) |
| 18:28:22 | whatboutbob | ...and do you know if 75ohms is optimal? |
| 18:28:30 | thegeek | I tried 50 and 100 too |
| 18:28:46 | thegeek | with 50 I could still hear some white noise |
| 18:28:57 | thegeek | and 100 only removed more volume |
| 18:29:02 | whatboutbob | ...so you've just got a 3.5mm plug on each end? |
| 18:29:09 | thegeek | well |
| 18:29:20 | thegeek | a female plug on one and and a male on the other |
| 18:29:28 | thegeek | I placed the resistors inside the jacks themselves |
| 18:29:30 | whatboutbob | or...err...i could hack the headphone extension...right? |
| 18:29:41 | thegeek | was a very tight fit ;) |
| 18:29:48 | thegeek | hehe |
| 18:29:56 | whatboutbob | i can imagine...*raises one eyebrow* |
| 18:30:25 | whatboutbob | what sort of resitsor? |
| 18:30:29 | thegeek | I think it would be a lot easier if I had used smd resistors |
| 18:30:32 | whatboutbob | *resistor |
| 18:30:42 | thegeek | I think I used 75 ohm 1/4 watt |
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| 18:31:52 | thegeek | check out the head-fi.org diy forum : http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=6 |
| 18:32:03 | thegeek | I think there are guides to making your own cables there |
| 18:32:18 | thegeek | http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52044 |
| 18:32:38 | thegeek | there is one, but it uses expensive parts |
| 18:32:58 | thegeek | I just used basic plugs, basic oxygen free copper wire and some black techflex |
| 18:36:48 | whatboutbob | k. thanks. |
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| 18:38:41 | XavierGr | ahh how refreshing. New OS in 5 minutes |
| 18:39:00 | XavierGr | If it hadn't be for my crappy mind that restored an older image and I had to restore once again. |
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| 18:57:28 | Paul_ | Stupid question I can't figure out: how do I install patches? |
| 18:57:52 | dwihno | You download the source |
| 18:57:56 | dwihno | Then you apply the patch in question |
| 18:58:05 | dwihno | Then you rebuild rockbox for the specific target using the specific toolchain |
| 18:58:15 | dwihno | (not as) easy as one, two, three |
| 18:58:27 | Paul_ | okay - so I do actually have to apply them manually |
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| 18:58:33 | dwihno | mhm |
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| 19:09:06 | amiconn | XavierGr: (re windows usage) Normal to heavy usage I'd say. Installing and uninstalling software, drivers, etc |
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| 19:09:34 | XavierGr | wow, each time I am about to install something I am concerned about stability issues |
| 19:09:38 | amiconn | From my experience it's often possible to fix windows crashes without reinstalling |
| 19:09:42 | XavierGr | but then again ghost has saved my life |
| 19:10:14 | * | amiconn doesn't use any imaging tools |
| 19:10:27 | XavierGr | it would be a pretty tiring thing for me to see why I get a winlogon error and eventually BSOD |
| 19:11:11 | XavierGr | when I finally convert to linux the first thing to make sure is to find something like ghost to be able to restore my OS in a breeze |
| 19:11:42 | amiconn | With this laptop I only had one case where it crashed quite regularly. Was quite clear that it came from the driver for my usb-to-serial converter |
| 19:11:48 | amiconn | Updated driver, problem fixed |
| 19:11:55 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 19:12:49 | amiconn | This box is runjning stable for days & weeks. Most of the time I don't even shutdown, but only hibernate. Very nice feature... |
| 19:13:24 | XavierGr | does hibernate enable other processes to run in between? |
| 19:13:48 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:13:52 | XavierGr | because I am not so sure what this thing does |
| 19:13:56 | amiconn | Hibernate just saves the whole system state to disk |
| 19:14:09 | XavierGr | and shuts down completely? |
| 19:14:33 | amiconn | ...then powers off. When powering on, system state is restored and you're back where you left off |
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| 19:14:54 | XavierGr | sounds nice. I will try to make use of it |
| 19:14:55 | amiconn | (password protected of course) |
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| 19:23:18 | Mikachu | swsusp in linux, if anyone wonders |
| 19:23:32 | XavierGr | swsusp? |
| 19:23:39 | Mikachu | "hibernate" |
| 19:23:45 | XavierGr | ah |
| 19:23:58 | XavierGr | Mikachu: any imaging tools for Linux available? |
| 19:24:19 | Mikachu | cat or tar i guess? |
| 19:25:06 | XavierGr | tar? isn't this tool for compressing files? |
| 19:25:11 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:25:16 | Mikachu | it's short for "tape archive" |
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| 19:25:51 | Mikachu | tar files are usually compressed with gz or bz2 |
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| 19:29:06 | amiconn | preglow: The datasheet confirms that it's not possible to use the spdif input clock as a clock source: |
| 19:29:09 | amiconn | "The clock from the EBU signal is extracted for measurement purposes only. It cannot be used as a clock to |
| 19:29:09 | amiconn | drive other audio interfaces like IIS. |
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| 19:33:39 | dpro | XavierGr: what imaging tools are you having in mind ? gimp ? or netpbm tools ? |
| 19:35:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:35:55 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 19:36:13 | XavierGr | I am talking about complete data copying. |
| 19:36:16 | XavierGr | Like ghost |
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| 19:45:42 | dpro | XavierGr: what's wrong with 'dd' then ? |
| 19:45:44 | Ave | petur: I did upgrade from old version, but now suddendly its working again, go figure |
| 19:46:20 | XavierGr | dpro: I havn't really search about it but it seems to raw for a linux newbie like myself. |
| 19:46:24 | Ave | there maybe is some strange correlation between usb cable dis/-connect and losing settings |
| 19:46:55 | Mikachu | XavierGr: you could just as well use cat |
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| 19:47:20 | petur | Ave: settings get reset if the settingsblock gets changed significantly or if you reset them on purpose. Any other occurence should not happen |
| 19:48:07 | petur | Ave: if you find a way to reproduce and the above does not apply then file a bugreport in the tracker |
| 19:48:30 | Mikachu | Ave: do you mean all settings reset, or just the ones you changed since you started? |
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| 19:52:04 | Ave | pretty much everything I could see was reset |
| 19:52:23 | Mikachu | probably just the config block version then... |
| 19:52:29 | Ave | luckily I had saved my config and could restore it, but it again reset the next time I did file transfers, I have to see about this more |
| 19:52:49 | Mikachu | you didn't update rockbox then? |
| 19:52:58 | Ave | I did |
| 19:53:06 | Ave | I dont get the "settingsblock" thing, its just a file no? |
| 19:53:11 | Mikachu | no |
| 19:53:25 | Ave | ah ok then |
| 19:53:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ave: iPod? |
| 19:53:49 | Ave | nano |
| 19:54:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Settings don't save to the config block when you plug in USB either. So if you hadn't shut down properly since you changed them, they wouldn't be stored that way either. |
| 19:54:45 | Ave | oh so they get saved on shutdown |
| 19:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | They get written to the config block on shutdown, and I think possible disk spinups. Since the nano doesn't go through the spinup process, I think they're *only* saved on shutdown right now. |
| 19:56:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | "possibly", rather than "possible" |
| 19:58:41 | dpro | Xavier: I don't really know what you're trying to do anyway but for backups tar or rsync are ok, for direct disk image copy dd is good |
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| 20:00:26 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: In fact I consider this a bug. Plugging USB should save settings before rebooting into disk mode |
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| 20:00:40 | Mikachu | i think everyone considers it a bug |
| 20:01:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yes, the USB insert should save setting first. I also think that if settings has changed on a flash based device, they should be written to the config block upon exiting the menu (in my opinion) |
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| 20:03:20 | Falco98 | hey all |
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| 20:03:42 | Falco98 | i haven't been in IRC in awhile :-P |
| 20:04:39 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I implemented it this way on Ondio (saving settings immediately) back then, but was reminded by others that it isn't a good idea |
| 20:05:00 | amiconn | It causes more flash wear |
| 20:05:22 | amiconn | Instead, the nano should save on 'spinup' as all other targets |
| 20:05:51 | amiconn | The nano is the only target that never 'spins up' (in firmware logic). The Ondio does |
| 20:06:26 | amiconn | There's no reason why it should stay this way, the spinup can be faked |
| 20:08:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: If you only saved settings on a complete menu exit (to filetree/wps), after they had been changed, and never saved them otherwise, wouldn't that essentially be a minimum case on saves? Especially if you didn't save settings changed in the quickmenu. |
| 20:09:05 | amiconn | In fact nano does not only save settings on shutdown, even without faking spinups |
| 20:09:23 | amiconn | It saves settings on the next ordinary disk access, as all other targets |
| 20:09:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm. |
| 20:09:58 | amiconn | This doesn't depend on faking spinups, it's hardwired into ata_read_sectors() and ata_write_sectors() |
| 20:10:21 | obo | amiconn: how does ata_disk_is_active behave at the moment on nanos? |
| 20:10:22 | amiconn | Both functions will save the 'delayed sector' if it exists |
| 20:10:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well then, it's odd that people on Nano seem to run into the problem of unsaved settings more than others. Ah well. :) |
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| 20:11:27 | amiconn | Not faking spinups only causes problems for code which monitors disk state, and decides when to save based on that, like the battery_bench plugin |
| 20:12:25 | amiconn | Hmm, that also hits playlist_cachectrl afaik... |
| 20:12:34 | amiconn | hardeep? |
| 20:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, last I'd heard it was explained to me that it happened because of the spinup thing. Clearly, I learn something new every day. :) |
| 20:13:04 | hardeep | amiconn: yes? |
| 20:13:06 | Ave | ok I cant seem to be able to reproduce it, I guess it was case of 'settingsblock' weirdness |
| 20:13:48 | hardeep | oh, the nano doesn't spinup? |
| 20:13:54 | hardeep | yeah, that would be a problem |
| 20:16:15 | hardeep | actually, maybe not... does the nano have the directory cache option? (that's what we use to enable the delayed writing of playlist control commands) |
| 20:17:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most nano users don't use dircache. No real reason to, at all, y'know? Though I guess, no reason NOT to either. |
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| 20:18:57 | hardeep | it doesn't need to be enabled, just compile-time enabled... and it looks like it is |
| 20:19:12 | hardeep | er doesn't need to be runtime enabled |
| 20:19:34 | klrspz | anything new? |
| 20:19:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, so dircache needs to exist in the build, not necessarily turned on? Well that's true at least. |
| 20:19:50 | amiconn | There's no reason for using dircache on nano on its own, |
| 20:20:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, right now it's only beneficial with TagCache, right? |
| 20:20:31 | amiconn | but there is a reason why someone may still want it. Dircache is necessary for putting tagcache in ram and have background commit |
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| 20:25:25 | hardeep | hmmm, does resume even work on a nano currently? |
| 20:26:33 | hardeep | never mind, it should in most cases |
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| 20:28:00 | Falco98 | is anyone here really familiar with the algorithm by which "insert shuffled" (for, let's say, recursive folders) works? |
| 20:28:41 | Falco98 | i'm poking around in playlist.c, but the code is a bit too obfuscated [and my C skills likewise rusty] to get it well |
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| 20:29:17 | hardeep | Falco98: sure, what's your question? |
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| 20:31:39 | Falco98 | well in a perfect world, i'd like to code up an additional folder context-menu item called something like "insert shuffled folders", etc |
| 20:32:10 | Falco98 | where instead of shuffling all songs, it only shuffles the order in which folders are added, but then the tracks therein will play in order |
| 20:32:27 | Falco98 | (basically accomplishing the "album shuffle mode" that a few people are clamoring for) |
| 20:32:48 | Falco98 | but i'm afraid at this point my programming skills might not be up-to-task |
| 20:33:29 | Falco98 | anyway, i've been reading the code, and i can't figure out how the "insert shuffled" command picks what position each track is inserted |
| 20:33:31 | hardeep | Falco98: it would be a little messy because of the recursion... we don't have a complete list of all the subdirectories available |
| 20:33:43 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 20:33:54 | Falco98 | that seems to be the biggest obstacle |
| 20:33:56 | hardeep | insert shuffled inserts the next track at some point between current playing track and end of playlist |
| 20:34:04 | hardeep | but that's not what you'd want to use |
| 20:34:22 | hardeep | instead, take a look at playlist_insert_directory()... that's where you'd want to make the changes you suggest |
| 20:34:29 | Falco98 | how about when you "insert shuffled" on an entire file tree? |
| 20:35:00 | hardeep | same thing, it inserts randomly between 1 and N where N is number of tracks |
| 20:35:03 | Falco98 | i'm already in "add_directory_to_playlist", which seems to be the true recursive function |
| 20:35:08 | Falco98 | what, it inserts in-order? |
| 20:35:23 | hardeep | insert what in-order? |
| 20:35:34 | hardeep | it goes through the directories in order and inserts each track randomly |
| 20:36:07 | Falco98 | ah |
| 20:36:26 | Falco98 | for some reason i thought if i did "insert shuffled" on my root music folder, it would basically be a random-all |
| 20:36:27 | Falco98 | no? |
| 20:36:28 | hardeep | hmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks |
| 20:36:53 | hardeep | Falco98: yeah, it would be a random-all |
| 20:37:14 | hardeep | since the tracks are being inserted randomly |
| 20:37:16 | Falco98 | oh.. it steps through every track (recursively) inserting *that track* into a random position in the playlist-so-far? |
| 20:37:30 | hardeep | yes |
| 20:37:33 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 20:37:36 | Falco98 | that makes sense |
| 20:37:40 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 20:38:05 | hardeep | if directory cache is enabled, you may be able to get a list of all subdirectories |
| 20:38:18 | Falco98 | i wonder if it would be possible to do that kind of thing for "random folder insert".. it would only need to keep index positions for where each "album" ends |
| 20:39:12 | Falco98 | how much more code would that take, do you think? having it create a temporary index list, indexing the album start/end positions for the playlist it's generating? |
| 20:39:13 | hardeep | yeah, that may work |
| 20:39:31 | Falco98 | then when it goes to insert the next folder, it picks one of those positions at random and inserts the whole folder in order... |
| 20:39:56 | hardeep | hmmm |
| 20:40:51 | Falco98 | that would completely negate the need for any current directory listing |
| 20:41:14 | Falco98 | and wouldn't put any (or much?) more stress on the system than the current "insert shuffled" |
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| 20:41:38 | hardeep | i don't think it would be all that hard to add actually |
| 20:42:04 | hardeep | just thinking if there are any corner cases you'd need to watch out for |
| 20:42:21 | Falco98 | maybe some really weird ones |
| 20:42:34 | Falco98 | but as long as the "index" idea handles "first" and "last" cases well.. |
| 20:42:55 | hardeep | easiest way would be to limit the number of directories to a few hundred so that you could just use the stack for storage |
| 20:43:14 | Falco98 | the big problem i can think of is it would require fucking with the current way the recursive function determines a random position.. but then again, i'm new enough to this code so it may be easier than i think |
| 20:43:21 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 20:43:33 | Falco98 | well the H140 says it only handles 2000 folders anyway |
| 20:43:37 | hardeep | you wouldn't want to use the insert_shuffled option |
| 20:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't even need to save end-indexes for albums |
| 20:43:46 | Falco98 | and the "index" would only thus be 200 or so integers |
| 20:43:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just star-indexes |
| 20:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | start |
| 20:43:54 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 20:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, when randomly inserting, you do it at "random start-1" |
| 20:44:09 | hardeep | instead, you would specify an exact position |
| 20:44:14 | Falco98 | well when i mention start-and-end i am only being complete :-P |
| 20:45:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | But all ends are going to be start-1 of the next one anyway. Save on a bit of storage. ;-) The only problem case there is if it's the start of the first album, or if you want to place it after the last one. |
| 20:45:10 | Falco98 | indeed |
| 20:45:40 | Falco98 | really all you need is a list of numbers separated by .. arbitrary non-integer (whitespace, newline, comma) |
| 20:45:51 | Falco98 | 0,12,25,etc |
| 20:45:54 | hardeep | i think an array would be easier |
| 20:46:14 | Falco98 | oh i guess the index list would change every time something is inserted in the middle though |
| 20:46:29 | hardeep | keep track what albums have been inserted where |
| 20:46:30 | Falco98 | yeah an array makes more sense |
| 20:46:32 | klrspz | ahhh |
| 20:46:37 | klrspz | my settings were wiped :( |
| 20:46:40 | hardeep | and then randomly choose a "slot" for the next album |
| 20:46:50 | Falco98 | at this point i'm still thinking visually instead of code :-P |
| 20:46:56 | hardeep | (somewhere between beginning and last album) |
| 20:47:35 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 20:47:54 | Falco98 | so what would the array contain.. just the number of tracks on each album? |
| 20:48:23 | hardeep | index where either the first or last track of the album is located |
| 20:48:28 | hardeep | in the playlist |
| 20:48:40 | Falco98 | and when you choose a "slot", you tell it to insert the tracks at array[0] + array[1] .... +array [i] |
| 20:48:54 | klrspz | does the latest CVS build wipe configs? |
| 20:48:56 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 20:49:06 | hardeep | no, it would be array[slot]+1, array[slot]+2, etc |
| 20:49:23 | Falco98 | klrspz: i think so.. you should save your settings by doing "write .cfg" before you update to latest build |
| 20:49:43 | klrspz | yeah, i had an older one luckily.. but stil gotta make some changes... oh well.. |
| 20:49:55 | Falco98 | hardeep: but then when a new album is inserted somewhere in the middle, wouldn't all the other array members need to be shifted? |
| 20:50:12 | hardeep | Falco98: yes, that's the idea |
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| 20:51:02 | hardeep | keeping a count wouldn't save you much, either way you would need to count all elements |
| 20:51:08 | hardeep | both ways work fine though |
| 20:51:10 | Falco98 | wouldn't it be less processor intensive to have the array value be the number of tracks in that album, and do a summation of 0 -> i to get the index value for insertion? |
| 20:51:17 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 20:51:22 | Falco98 | i suppose you're right |
| 20:51:28 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 20:51:37 | Falco98 | i'm thinking of putting a bounty on this :-P |
| 20:51:50 | Falco98 | since i don't think i could ever quite handle the programming job myself |
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| 20:52:54 | Falco98 | BTW i've submitted it to flyspray, an hour or so ago |
| 20:52:55 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
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| 20:53:41 | Falco98 | ooh someone has commented too :-D |
| 20:54:52 | Falco98 | Falco98: testing |
| 20:57:53 | Falco98 | hardeep: do you think you could take a stab at it? i'd be unbelievably grateful |
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| 20:59:11 | hardeep | not right now but maybe after the 3.0 release |
| 20:59:52 | Falco98 | cool |
| 20:59:56 | Falco98 | how's work on that going? |
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| 21:00:31 | Falco98 | [i didn't even realize 3.0 was due until i noticed some commotion in the forums yesterday] |
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| 21:08:05 | lookup | i have a question, where do i put my music files? |
| 21:08:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | People seem to think 3.0 will magically solve all the world's problems |
| 21:08:19 | lookup | for rockbox on a 4g ipod |
| 21:08:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: I don't understand the question... you put them wherever you want. |
| 21:08:33 | lookup | o ok |
| 21:08:59 | Falco98 | personally i put them in Music/artist/album/ |
| 21:09:03 | klrspz | lookup, i put them in the root.. i have a folder for songs, a folder for audio books, |
| 21:09:04 | klrspz | etc |
| 21:09:04 | Falco98 | but that's completely up to you |
| 21:09:27 | klrspz | then i tell RB to only show supported files |
| 21:09:39 | Falco98 | paul_the_nerd: i admit it will be nice, at least, having an "official" iriver release |
| 21:09:56 | Falco98 | even though i suppose it won't make much of a real difference |
| 21:10:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Yeah, but people seemed to think we were somehow "holding out" when it wasn't out on the 1st. |
| 21:10:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Even though if we had released on the 1st it would've been exactly the same as essentially the daily build for that day, plus maybe an installer to make it a bit easier to install. |
| 21:11:30 | Falco98 | oh, an iriver installer? |
| 21:11:35 | Falco98 | what would it do, per se? |
| 21:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably ask you to point it at a firmware.hex, patch it for you, copy the patched file, a rockbox.iriver and a .rockbox to your unit, then tell you to turn it on, and upgrade firmware, I imagine. I don't know if it's really been discussed too much |
| 21:12:42 | lookup | my ipod has all of my music files as different letters without the full name is there anything that i could do? (these are full Albums |
| 21:13:12 | lookup | like the title of a song would be TREW |
| 21:14:05 | Falco98 | lookup: do you use iTunes to transfer all your music? |
| 21:14:14 | lookup | i used to... |
| 21:14:20 | lookup | lol i started using sharepod |
| 21:14:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: Have you read about TagCache in our wiki? |
| 21:14:46 | lookup | no.. |
| 21:14:53 | lookup | how do i use it? |
| 21:15:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's explained on the wiki page named TagCache, and it sorts your music by ID3 tag similar to the original Ipod interface |
| 21:15:30 | lookup | ok thanks i'll go check it out |
| 21:16:00 | klrspz | i hate sorting stuff by id3 tags |
| 21:16:13 | klrspz | esp on mp3s you didn't rip yourself.. you can get weiiiiiird stuff in there |
| 21:16:52 | Bagder | you can still tag them yourself |
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| 21:17:39 | lookup | i can't find a download for tagcache |
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| 21:19:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to download anything |
| 21:20:01 | lookup | how do i use it? |
| 21:20:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I told you, it's explained at the TagCache wiki page. |
| 21:21:14 | lookup | where's the tagcache wiki page? |
| 21:21:30 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 21:21:36 | amiconn | Now, lets see where thi swill lead... |
| 21:21:38 | Bagder | did you even _try_ to find it? |
| 21:21:38 | klrspz | has anyone complained about the bookmarking system? i'm not sure if i should submit a bug-type thing |
| 21:21:53 | lookup | of course i did badger |
| 21:21:56 | * | amiconn acquired a TOTX173 ans some components for building a converter |
| 21:23:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: Odd, because if you type TagCache into the search box at Rockbox.org, the first result is the right one. And if you go to our wiki and type it into the "Go To" box you end up right there... |
| 21:23:08 | Falco98 | i just did a simple search for "tagcache" on the wiki (from its front page) and what it returned was unusable |
| 21:23:24 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/WebHome?topic=tagcache |
| 21:23:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Yeah, but I didn't ever type tagcache |
| 21:23:39 | Falco98 | ah |
| 21:23:51 | Falco98 | oh and i did that wrong too.. i typed it into the "go to page:" box |
| 21:24:18 | Falco98 | (which is, conveniently enough, right next to a "search" link) |
| 21:24:23 | lookup | just found it. |
| 21:24:23 | lookup | lol |
| 21:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: I always typed TagCache. The Go To box isn't a search box. Besides, it also points to TagCache in the "Similar Topics" portion if you use tagcache |
| 21:24:40 | lookup | how will i know when it's done updating the tag cache thing. |
| 21:25:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: When it stops accessing the disk. |
| 21:25:31 | klrspz | or check the tagcache info in the debug menu |
| 21:25:49 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: i didn't realize it was case sensitive, either :-P |
| 21:25:50 | lookup | ok thanks a lot guys |
| 21:25:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: That's not accurate on all players, I believe. |
| 21:26:00 | klrspz | k |
| 21:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Most wikis have case-sensitive page names. :) |
| 21:26:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: At least, last time I checked it *was* accurate on my H100, but not on my Nano |
| 21:26:35 | klrspz | i asked earlier.. but no one answered :: has anyone complained about the bookmarking system? i'm not sure if i should submit a bug-type thing |
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| 21:27:00 | buraianto | klrspz, what problem are you seeing? |
| 21:27:08 | Falco98 | i haven't used bookmarks yet... |
| 21:27:38 | blind | hell yeah, got my brand new ipod from apple today :) |
| 21:27:44 | klrspz | buraianto, when stopping, if i have it ask, the time that i hold PLAY/PAUSE to hit yes/no vs. saving and going to the file manager is impossible to perfect |
| 21:28:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, bad button assignments on the iPod relating to that? |
| 21:28:29 | klrspz | that's part of it, yes |
| 21:28:41 | klrspz | it seems like i have to hold pause for 1.5 sec, 2.5 sec is stop, but 2.51 is stop; ask for bookmark; then go to menu without letting you decide |
| 21:29:21 | klrspz | i removed the asking cuz it was just doing it anyway and delaying me by about 1-2 secs as it popped up that box saying "Bookmark saved" as if i even had the opportunity to decide |
| 21:29:33 | buraianto | I am having problems with bookmarking, but I don't have it set to ask |
| 21:29:49 | klrspz | what probs are YOU having? |
| 21:30:36 | buraianto | it seems like when there is a bookmark set in a directory, when I later click on a file to play via the file manager then it displays the wps, then exits back to the file manager and says it created a bookmark |
| 21:30:55 | buraianto | I need to reclick on the file to get it to play |
| 21:31:06 | klrspz | i think i've had that happen to me a couple times |
| 21:31:21 | klrspz | the bugs are so skitzy in that area that i'm not sure how to repeat some of the issues i've been having |
| 21:31:33 | buraianto | but my build is a couple of weeks old and i haven't bothered to check if it's still there in newer builds |
| 21:31:45 | klrspz | i just got the bleeding edge like an hour ago |
| 21:31:51 | klrspz | but i won't be able to test till tonight anyway |
| 21:33:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | buraianto: There are newer builds many times a day in most cases. You should really try a CVS one before even saying you're encountering problems. |
| 21:33:46 | buraianto | I understand |
| 21:34:25 | buraianto | I'm not asking for help ;) |
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| 21:36:08 | lookup | i just updated my tag cache, and when i try to play a song, it won't play |
| 21:36:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | What happens? |
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| 21:37:08 | lookup | it loads as if it were to play but never plays |
| 21:38:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it show the WPS? |
| 21:38:26 | lookup | what's wps? |
| 21:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | While Playing Screen |
| 21:38:44 | lookup | what does that look like? |
| 21:38:54 | buraianto | it's what shows up when you play a song |
| 21:39:03 | buraianto | usually has a progress bar, etc. |
| 21:39:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you not played *any* music yet? |
| 21:39:18 | lookup | i have |
| 21:39:20 | lookup | one song. |
| 21:39:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the screen that showed while you played it was the WPS |
| 21:39:51 | lookup | ok |
| 21:40:02 | lookup | then yes the wps does show up but nothing plays |
| 21:40:07 | sharpe | ello peoples. |
| 21:41:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it show progress (the time counts up) or not? Does it show a play or a pause icon in the status bar up top? What format is the song in? Does it show proper tag information on the WPS (Artist/Album/Etc) |
| 21:41:27 | lookup | the play/pause icon is functional. the time does not go up nor down |
| 21:41:33 | lookup | it does show proper tag info |
| 21:41:35 | buraianto | what format is theh song in? |
| 21:41:38 | lookup | mp3 |
| 21:42:07 | sharpe | is it just that song? |
| 21:42:11 | buraianto | the file plays fine elsewhere? |
| 21:42:13 | lookup | all of the songs are like that. |
| 21:42:34 | sharpe | which target do you have? |
| 21:42:38 | sharpe | er, player |
| 21:42:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you play those songs from the filetree, and do they have embedded album art? |
| 21:42:52 | lookup | no album art |
| 21:44:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaaand? |
| 21:44:21 | lookup | and none of the songs play now. |
| 21:44:46 | buraianto | you mean "none of th songs play now via the filetree", right? |
| 21:44:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I asked if you could play it from the filetree, as in "as opposed to TagCache" |
| 21:45:05 | lookup | yes |
| 21:45:20 | lookup | it doesn't work from the filetree |
| 21:45:23 | lookup | or tagcache |
| 21:46:10 | t0mas | test? |
| 21:46:24 | buraianto | t0mas: ping |
| 21:46:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: And these are now included the file that worked before? |
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| 21:46:45 | lookup | yes |
| 21:47:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if you shutdown, boot up, and try to play it from the directory browser without ever going into TagCache, will it play? *just* try the one file known to work, no others for right now. |
| 21:48:05 | lookup | ok |
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| 21:49:18 | lookup | it works now |
| 21:49:33 | lookup | but the title is still different numbers (i.e. 2494 |
| 21:49:43 | lookup | this is from the file tree |
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| 21:50:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, so when you run the file from the filetree, it says 2494 in the "Title" portion of the WPS? |
| 21:51:03 | lookup | yes |
| 21:51:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's something wrong with your tags then, at least. |
| 21:51:55 | lookup | ok lol |
| 21:52:14 | lookup | when i run tagcache, it fixes the title of the song but the song doesn't play |
| 21:52:47 | lookup | once again never mind |
| 21:52:53 | lookup | it works again |
| 21:52:58 | lookup | it works from filecache |
| 21:53:31 | lookup | tagcache rather |
| 21:53:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, A) There is no Filecache. B) Did you really mean 'Title' as in what it shows in WPS, or just what it showed when browsing to it? |
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| 21:54:51 | lookup | i think all i needed was a reboot |
| 21:55:08 | sharpe | now instead of poetic spam mails, i get spam with the articles of text... |
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| 21:56:45 | lookup | thanks a lot guys |
| 21:56:48 | lookup | i love this thing |
| 21:56:51 | lookup | good work |
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| 21:57:06 | sharpe | wow, apparently i'm a member of monster.com. |
| 21:57:26 | goffa | heh... i wonder how long it is before they delete your accounts |
| 21:57:35 | sharpe | ? |
| 21:57:36 | Genre9mp3 | As I can see, there is a task in the bug tracker about weird retail OS behavior in iriver |
| 21:57:37 | goffa | i think i had one in 2000 |
| 21:57:42 | sharpe | heh |
| 21:57:43 | goffa | on monster |
| 21:58:01 | sharpe | yeah, but this isn't from monster.com, it's from qurhxe@stevean.com |
| 21:58:08 | goffa | oh |
| 21:58:36 | sharpe | and a promotional job with the title, "shipping-receiving position" is available for me! |
| 21:58:46 | goffa | Genre9mp3: retail os is our doman? that's new... he he he |
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| 21:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: How old is the task? The bootloader version hasn't changed in ages. |
| 21:59:28 | goffa | sharpe: sounds like an entertaining career :P |
| 21:59:33 | sharpe | woo! |
| 21:59:56 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Friday, 28 April 2006, 08:05PM |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:03 | Genre9mp3 | pretty new! |
| 22:00:09 | goffa | on the resume.. "give me the job, or i'll go postal!" |
| 22:00:19 | sharpe | oh no! the job offerer's website is down! |
| 22:00:22 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5253 |
| 22:01:08 | sharpe | ooh, my starting salary is 70-80 |
| 22:01:14 | sharpe | per processed shipment. |
| 22:02:08 | sharpe | i should have 2+ years of shipping/receiving experience, i must be hands-on, and a team player with the ability to lift 50lbs. i should also have a stable internet connection at home. |
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| 22:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Well, at least one of them is using the experimental build. Maybe more. It seems odd that nobody in our forums has reported the problem. |
| 22:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes but it is probably a bootloader issue, right? |
| 22:03:53 | Genre9mp3 | How can a build create such a problem? |
| 22:04:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Not necessarily. I mean, the H300 bootloader version is essentially ancient. If it was a bootloader problem it *should've* cropped up before now. |
| 22:04:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it depends on where the H300 Retail firmware stores its settings |
| 22:05:34 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, It seems weird for me, too. So a build with some patches can srew up th settings of the retail OS |
| 22:05:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: If those settings are say, stored to disk, easily. |
| 22:05:47 | Genre9mp3 | Is this possible? |
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| 22:06:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It really depends on where the Retail OS stores its settings for contrast, etc. |
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| 22:08:11 | Genre9mp3 | But, there's a possibiltiy also that this happens with a CVS build, too...but noone noticed something like that before because, who actually uses the original fw?? :) |
| 22:08:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | A lot of people do, to play videos |
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| 22:08:47 | lookup | does rockbox save my battery life |
| 22:08:54 | lookup | or is it the same with the apple firmware? |
| 22:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: Not on iPod yet. It's actually worse than Apple so far. Too early in its life, not enough optimization. |
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| 22:09:49 | lookup | so this will drain my battery? |
| 22:09:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Really, there's no reason for the bootloader to do it unless the bootloader *always* does it, because it should go through the same steps each time, I believe. |
| 22:10:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: The battery life is worse, as I said. |
| 22:10:55 | lookup | is there a way to re-apply apple firmware? |
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| 22:11:01 | buraianto | it's still there |
| 22:11:04 | buraianto | you just need to boot into it |
| 22:11:06 | lookup | ok lol |
| 22:11:12 | Mikachu | lookup: it's only slightly worse than apple |
| 22:11:13 | buraianto | hold down the menu button at boot time |
| 22:11:27 | lookup | alright |
| 22:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookup: Or 'ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin' (assuming you kept that file), or just remove rockbox.ipod (the bootloader still runs, but should fallback to retail when it doesn't find that file. Usually.) |
| 22:11:55 | Genre9mp3 | Yes, but It could be also a CVS thing if it's because of something with the settings...I'm not in my home city now, when I go back, I'm going to have some tests... |
| 22:11:58 | lookup | that's nice thank you. |
| 22:12:28 | Genre9mp3 | Currently I use a custom build and I had similar problems |
| 22:12:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: So, what patches are the same between yours and the "Experimental"? |
| 22:13:31 | Genre9mp3 | The language was reverted to Korean and when I tried to change the tuner region, everything screwed up! |
| 22:13:47 | Genre9mp3 | I have 4 or 5 similar patches |
| 22:13:54 | Genre9mp3 | if I remember well |
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| 22:14:18 | Genre9mp3 | I'll investigate first if this is a CVS thing... |
| 22:14:30 | Genre9mp3 | if not, then should be one of the patches |
| 22:15:25 | Genre9mp3 | I don't believe it's the bootloader, too |
| 22:15:37 | Genre9mp3 | I was just a little scared... |
| 22:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's _very_ unlikely that it's the bootloader in my opinion, but I'm not necessarily knowledgeable enough to make that call. |
| 22:16:34 | Genre9mp3 | Not that I care about the retail OS of course... |
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| 22:17:22 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: does this happen often on your player? for me this happened only twice with 1 or two days between. so i could imagine it would be hard to see if it happens with cvs too. |
| 22:18:30 | Genre9mp3 | I almost never use the retail OS.. I just read this in the bug tracker and out of curiosity went to see if this happens to me, too |
| 22:18:35 | PaulJam | but i'm using a patched build too, so it can be that a patch causes it |
| 22:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: The thing is, I've never seen it reported at the Rockbox boards, and I haven't yet read someone confirm they're using the CVS build. With the number of people using it, I'd think someone with CVS would've stumbled across it to. I'm not ruling out CVS, I just am saying what I've seen. |
| 22:18:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | too |
| 22:19:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then, too few H300 users seem to even know about the CVS builds, how to get them, and that we have our own forums. =/ |
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| 22:22:15 | lostlogic | My ears must be getting more sensitive or something. I just had to turn my ipod volume all the way down, and replaygain down to -12 to be able to tolerate music in my office on my E3s. |
| 22:22:37 | Mikachu | there is a gain setting for replaygain? |
| 22:22:42 | Genre9mp3 | Really...where does rockbox store its settings? |
| 22:22:42 | lostlogic | preamp |
| 22:22:49 | Mikachu | i thought that was just eq |
| 22:22:53 | Mikachu | there i go |
| 22:22:57 | lostlogic | nope they're separate gains. |
| 22:22:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: There's a replaygain one too. |
| 22:23:17 | lostlogic | coures this means I can't listen to the files without replay gain tags or I'll be blasted out of my seat. |
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| 22:23:26 | lostlogic | *tags the rest of his music* |
| 22:23:35 | Mikachu | you could hardcode the gain too |
| 22:23:37 | Mikachu | *evil* |
| 22:23:38 | buraianto | you have the same earphones as before? |
| 22:24:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: A disk sector, I *think* 63. Or 61. I'm not sure. |
| 22:24:32 | Mikachu | the first 4 bytes should be RocK or such |
| 22:25:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | One simple test would be to see if Rockbox's settings change somewhere after fixing the Contrast/whatever in Retail |
| 22:25:57 | lostlogic | buraianto: haven't changed earphones. |
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| 22:26:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I listen at about -55 (though +3 preamp) at home with open phones these days, it seems. It'd probably be quite a bit less if I had some IEMs of some sort. |
| 22:27:42 | Mikachu | i use -25 in school, with the stock ipod phones |
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| 22:29:53 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Would be possible for a patch to store settings other than that sector? |
| 22:30:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Can't see why not. |
| 22:31:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd needs to find a good price/quality balance for IEMs. |
| 22:31:09 | Falco98 | so what's a decent program for (fast) replaygain tagging for Oggs? |
| 22:31:23 | Mikachu | vorbisgain |
| 22:31:25 | * | Falco98 has about 15 gigs of self-ripped oggs to tag |
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| 22:32:28 | DarkJesus | OK, can I ask one question? |
| 22:32:36 | Mikachu | you just used it up |
| 22:32:37 | DarkJesus | I didn't understand what I read on it |
| 22:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I use Foobar2000, but that's because I have a very mixed-format collection, and it was nice to just lump it _all_ together |
| 22:32:43 | DarkJesus | Damn! |
| 22:32:54 | DarkJesus | Can I have another (two)? |
| 22:32:59 | Mikachu | yes ): |
| 22:33:01 | Mikachu | :)* |
| 22:33:11 | Genre9mp3 | I use Mp3Tag and The Godfather for tagging my files |
| 22:33:23 | Genre9mp3 | mainly Mp3Tag though |
| 22:33:25 | DarkJesus | Does rockbox support monkey's adio (.ape) |
| 22:33:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 22:34:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's fairly unlikely that it will on any of the current targets. Too CPU intensive for them, and if I understand very x86-centric |
| 22:34:06 | DarkJesus | Damn |
| 22:34:24 | DarkJesus | What would you say is the best lossless codec supported by rockbox? |
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| 22:34:30 | Falco98 | FLAC |
| 22:34:40 | amiconn | lostlogic: Part of this volume weirdness on ipod is very probably the pretended prescaler handling which isn't happening for real |
| 22:34:51 | DarkJesus | Not wavpack? |
| 22:35:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | FLAC's codec is faster right now, I believe. |
| 22:35:07 | DarkJesus | Cool |
| 22:35:11 | Genre9mp3 | I agree with Falco98...FLAC is probably the best |
| 22:35:30 | Genre9mp3 | FLAC is generally faster than any other lossless codec |
| 22:35:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, it's very hard to make FLAC need to boost at all on Coldfire targets |
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| 22:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the other hand, I think you can get slightly smaller files with Wavpack, can't you? |
| 22:36:08 | Falco98 | maybe |
| 22:36:16 | DarkJesus | But the difference is pretty negligable though, right? |
| 22:36:17 | Falco98 | but is wavpack open-source? |
| 22:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which may actually result in balancing out the battery life. |
| 22:36:31 | Falco98 | and does it have limitlessly extensible tagging? |
| 22:36:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Well, we use it, and our code is GPL licensed. |
| 22:36:36 | DarkJesus | Wavpack is open-source |
| 22:36:36 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes...and with APE, too...but as you said.....sligtly |
| 22:36:45 | Falco98 | ok |
| 22:36:50 | DarkJesus | So what would/do you lot use? |
| 22:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Well, the slightly could balance out for the faster decode time, plus Wavpack has better seeking support |
| 22:37:01 | Falco98 | i actually don't know anything about wavpack yet so i'm asking for real :-P |
| 22:37:18 | DarkJesus | I don't have a lot of space to encode all my music in lossless |
| 22:37:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | DarkJesus: I use FLAC, but there are sound enough arguments for using wavpack lossless as well. |
| 22:37:25 | Genre9mp3 | yes...you are right about the seeking... |
| 22:37:27 | DarkJesus | But I could always do it with some favourites |
| 22:37:36 | Falco98 | use FLAC :) |
| 22:37:40 | lostlogic | amiconn: what's this about pretend prescaler? |
| 22:37:45 | DarkJesus | But it will definitely be between those two, right? |
| 22:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | One of them being that our wavpack decoder was written by the guy who wrote wavpack. ;-) |
| 22:37:54 | Genre9mp3 | but maybe the problems with seeking get fixed soon |
| 22:37:56 | DarkJesus | No ape? |
| 22:38:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, we can't support Ape. |
| 22:38:23 | DarkJesus | I have some ape files, but I can always transcode without losing a single bit of sound quality, right? |
| 22:38:32 | goffa | yeah DarkJesus |
| 22:38:35 | goffa | flac works great |
| 22:38:45 | DarkJesus | Awesome |
| 22:39:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd suggest FLAC with 1s seekpoints. |
| 22:39:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | At highest compression |
| 22:39:29 | goffa | i'm with paul on that |
| 22:40:41 | amiconn | lostlogic: sound.c pretends to handle a prescaler for the WM* codecs, but it doesn't do this for real |
| 22:41:23 | amiconn | The code looks like copy-n-paste from the UDA1380, and it looks like it was done by someone who didn't really know what this code is for |
| 22:41:34 | goffa | how is whatsHisName from the forum doing on wma? |
| 22:41:46 | goffa | or has he decided to not share and just drop a bomb? |
| 22:42:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa: He's progressing. He says it's slow, and has some inaccuracy but that also means he's got it playing. |
| 22:42:15 | amiconn | I I plan to look into this, but it's not a priority right now. 3.0, you know... |
| 22:42:22 | goffa | cool |
| 22:42:25 | amiconn | s/I// |
| 22:42:57 | goffa | I'm replacinng my wma as i can.. some of that stuff is hard to find |
| 22:43:03 | goffa | lala.com is helping :) |
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| 22:43:50 | goffa | transcoding wma (or any lossy for that matter) is against my religeon :) |
| 22:43:59 | goffa | or should i say moral code... he he he |
| 22:44:21 | lostlogic | amiconn: mm weird |
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| 22:45:29 | lostlogic | amiconn: well I tweaked the code so that it felt right, but you are correct, I don't actually fully understand what it is supposed to be doing. |
| 22:46:19 | amiconn | Perhaps, if I find a little time... and we postpone further... |
| 22:46:50 | amiconn | (I think we will, not seeing any solution for the H300 power issue so far) |
| 22:46:51 | lostlogic | I've been so bad the past 2 weeks, so playback still needs work. |
| 22:48:54 | Moos | what are the serious bugs needed to be absolutely fixed before the release (not counting the playback ones) ? |
| 22:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Moos: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
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| 22:50:55 | Moos | Paul_The_Nerd: I meant *absolutely*, sure unfortunatly will be some of them still left after the release |
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| 22:52:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the 29th is the date at which it will be released despite (hopefully, picking the most stable version from the last few days before that if any new noticeable bugs are introducted) |
| 22:52:52 | Moos | 29th will be come quicly :) |
| 22:53:53 | Moos | don't count to see all this mentioning on this wiki page fixed |
| 22:54:23 | * | Moos tend to be septic with thos things :( |
| 22:55:06 | * | Falco98 is feeling rather septic too |
| 22:55:22 | * | Mikachu sprays some antiseptic around |
| 22:55:34 | Moos | hehe :) |
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| 22:56:13 | | Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) |
| 22:56:13 | | Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 22:56:27 | | Quit Genre9mp3 () |
| 22:57:30 | marc_in_lux | good evening |
| 22:57:42 | Falco98 | hi |
| 22:58:38 | marc_in_lux | This may be a dummy question, but it's only a couple days since I started using rockbox on my nano. Is there a setting that allows me to adjust backlight to less than 100% intensity? |
| 22:58:54 | Mikachu | yes and no |
| 22:58:57 | marc_in_lux | the ipod screen is very bright in a dark room... |
| 22:59:04 | marc_in_lux | Mikachu, ? |
| 22:59:10 | Mikachu | there is an experimental patch in the tracker |
| 22:59:12 | Mikachu | not much tested |
| 22:59:17 | Mikachu | it seems to do the trick though |
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| 22:59:47 | marc_in_lux | will it go to CVS any time soon? I'm not equipped to compile... |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:08 | marc_in_lux | I guess you know how it works, considering you can fade in and out... PWM? |
| 23:00:39 | Mikachu | yes |
| 23:00:49 | Mikachu | but it won't go in during the feature freeze |
| 23:00:54 | Mikachu | my yes was for the second question |
| 23:01:00 | marc_in_lux | ok, I can see that. |
| 23:01:56 | marc_in_lux | one other question: is there a smart way to switch profiles? I go via menu, manage settings, browse cfg files, select... |
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| 23:02:09 | DarkJesus | Question - is ogg pretty much the undisputed best lossy codec? |
| 23:02:21 | goffa | DarkJesus: not undisputed |
| 23:02:23 | Mikachu | marc_in_lux: you can go straight to /.rockbox/configs |
| 23:02:25 | goffa | but... its a good codec |
| 23:02:26 | Falco98 | not undisputed |
| 23:02:30 | Falco98 | but my favorite in many ways |
| 23:02:33 | dfkt | MPC is said to be better... |
| 23:02:41 | DarkJesus | MPC? |
| 23:02:42 | Bagder | undisputed doesn't exist in codec land |
| 23:02:46 | dfkt | Musepack |
| 23:02:47 | goffa | DarkJesus: musepack.net |
| 23:02:55 | buraianto | can of worms :P |
| 23:03:01 | DarkJesus | It's better? |
| 23:03:05 | DarkJesus | In what ways? |
| 23:03:16 | dfkt | It's only supported on hardware by ROckbox, however... |
| 23:03:18 | marc_in_lux | Mikachu, just playing that file? It'll recognise? Cool :-) |
| 23:03:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | marc_in_lux: You can just click on config files, like you do to play music. Store them in the root, or some random folder that you can easily get to them, and you don't need to pass through menus |
| 23:03:47 | DarkJesus | OK, I'm booting into linux |
| 23:03:48 | Mikachu | marc_in_lux: that's what you do when you select 'browse configs' |
| 23:03:53 | DarkJesus | See ya lot in a minute |
| 23:04:06 | | Part DarkJesus |
| 23:04:06 | Mikachu | marc_in_lux: yeah, you don't have to keep them in that dir either, you can have them directly in / |
| 23:04:27 | amiconn | lostlogic: I saw that there is code in pcmbuf.c for flushing the buffer. Can't we use that for solving the voice latency when no music is playing? |
| 23:04:47 | marc_in_lux | so smart... thanks guys. |
| 23:05:11 | preglow | amiconn: shouldn't we try to solve it in a way that works well when music is playing too? |
| 23:05:42 | marc_in_lux | what's the paypal donations going to be used for? |
| 23:06:04 | Mikachu | marc_in_lux: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney |
| 23:06:41 | marc_in_lux | What I hoped. Have a drink on me, then :-) |
| 23:06:51 | preglow | hookers and booze |
| 23:06:55 | preglow | all the usual open source jazz |
| 23:07:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: it's really just a matter of starting the playback at the right point −− after ~1/4s of music has been decoded, where for music we don't start until about a second is decoded, IIRC. |
| 23:07:16 | lostlogic | switch that first music to voice |
| 23:08:06 | amiconn | The problem is not the start... it's the missing flush when talk.c:shutup() is called |
| 23:09:59 | lostlogic | amiconn: ah, well in that case, yes, we should use the flush functionality −− I just added it in the new 'correct' way when I reworked crossfade the other week. |
| 23:10:20 | lostlogic | it used to be an abuse of the crossfade system instead of what it is now. |
| 23:15:22 | dfkt | I'm looking for "memmem" - I've seen him in the IRC-logs on rockbox.org - does he step by often in here? |
| 23:15:57 | Bagder | memmem (n=user@p54A22CC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) signed off 4 months and 20 days ago |
| 23:16:11 | dfkt | Damn... thanks though |
| 23:16:11 | | Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:16:11 | Bagder | not that often ;-) |
| 23:16:33 | Falco98 | haha |
| 23:16:48 | Falco98 | ok all, i'm putting a $10 bounty on my feature request |
| 23:17:00 | Mikachu | and what was that? |
| 23:17:06 | Bagder | wow, $10! |
| 23:17:08 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:17:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:17:15 | buraianto | that's a lot of beer and hookers |
| 23:17:16 | Falco98 | alot more than $0 |
| 23:17:24 | Falco98 | :) |
| 23:17:28 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 23:18:02 | * | Bagder expanded the DonatedMoney page |
| 23:18:03 | Falco98 | it's the random-folders implementation i was talking about in here a little while ago |
| 23:18:30 | amiconn | Hrmpfz :/ |
| 23:18:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Out of curiosity, what is Netto.se? |
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| 23:18:52 | Falco98 | there's a donatedMoney page? |
| 23:18:58 | amiconn | My coax->opto converter is working, but for some reason the iriver believes the signal isn't valid |
| 23:19:11 | amiconn | (even though symbol and parity are ok) |
| 23:19:20 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: ahaha, just an ordinary grocery store |
| 23:19:32 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: it's basically the cheapest crap you can find in sweden |
| 23:19:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, I was curious. I suspected something like that. |
| 23:20:06 | Bagder | they do have a fine enough plastic bag to wrap shirts in ;-) |
| 23:20:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was like "Surfing dog... I wonder what they sell." It made the trip, so clearly it's good enough. ;-) |
| 23:20:55 | preglow | amiconn: weird |
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| 23:21:31 | amiconn | The spdif analyzer shows the correct parameters, 32/44/48kHz etc |
| 23:21:41 | Mikachu | Bagder: their bags aren't even good for throwing garbage in, you can't tie a knot from the handles |
| 23:22:04 | Bagder | Mikachu: ah, right but I used lots of tape for the shirt "package" ;-) |
| 23:22:22 | Mikachu | for some reason they're the only place i have found that have socks my size |
| 23:22:33 | Mikachu | but being netto, they break after only a few months |
| 23:22:36 | preglow | amiconn: then it's extremely weird |
| 23:22:37 | Bagder | hahah |
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| 23:22:48 | preglow | amiconn: what is the converter, btw? just some level matching circuitry and an opto-coupler? |
| 23:23:10 | amiconn | This one http://mitglied.lycos.de/Promitheus/optictocoax.pdf page 2 |
| 23:23:19 | amiconn | Seems to be a common circuit |
| 23:24:05 | amiconn | I'll try to cascade both converters and test with my dvd player output |
| 23:24:17 | amiconn | If that works, the mas output must be weird |
| 23:26:29 | amiconn | It does work... |
| 23:27:34 | amiconn | dvd−−opto->coax->opto−−h140 works, valid signal |
| 23:27:55 | amiconn | archos−−coax->opto−−h140 doesn't work |
| 23:29:44 | preglow | weird... |
| 23:30:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a sudden and unrelated note, is there a feature in windows that makes it display "CAPS LOCK: ON" (and OFF) in the lower right corner when the key is toggled? |
| 23:30:46 | preglow | you're talking about the os that asks you if you're handicapped if you keep the shift key pressed for two seconds |
| 23:30:48 | preglow | of course it does |
| 23:31:32 | buraianto | Paul_The_Nerd: do you have a microsoft keyboard? |
| 23:31:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | buraianto: It's a laptop. |
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| 23:32:13 | buraianto | After I installed the drivers for my microsoft keyboard I got a little grey popup rectangle that would display that in the lower right corner |
| 23:32:29 | sharpe | my guess is, it's the drivers. but, you know... |
| 23:32:41 | * | petur always disables disabled features |
| 23:32:46 | Mikachu | ah, the mysteries of windows |
| 23:32:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | All of mine *are* disabled, according to what it'll tell me. |
| 23:33:11 | sharpe | i keep getting more of the spam emails with the text in an image... hmm... |
| 23:33:20 | petur | maybe it's a custom driver for the keyboard |
| 23:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It just randomly enabled itself. *mutters* |
| 23:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Standard 101/102 key keyboard" |
| 23:34:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well. |
| 23:34:52 | Falco98 | don't talk to me about frustrations with windows :-P |
| 23:35:03 | Falco98 | a few days ago i got a scandisk attempt on restart |
| 23:35:13 | Falco98 | i wasn't fast enough to keep it from running, so i just waited it out |
| 23:35:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:35:30 | sharpe | isn't there like, a 15 second timeout? |
| 23:35:36 | Falco98 | when i finally got to the login screen, it reported a registry error, and claimed "it has been recovered from a prior version" |
| 23:35:54 | Falco98 | sharpe: yeah, i wasn't paying attention |
| 23:36:01 | sharpe | ah. |
| 23:36:13 | Falco98 | anyway, when i go to login, i get my wallpaper, but never see the "rest" |
| 23:36:20 | Falco98 | no icons, taskbar, systray, etc. |
| 23:36:39 | Falco98 | i can bring up task manager and manually invoke things (such as the firefox i'm chatting in now) |
| 23:36:45 | sharpe | why am i like, the only person without windows troubles? :\ |
| 23:36:52 | Falco98 | but if i manually invoke explorer.exe it falters for a second then goes away |
| 23:36:59 | Mikachu | sharpe: i don't have windows problems either |
| 23:37:06 | petur | well if your disk is thrashed that is probably what you can expect |
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| 23:37:28 | Falco98 | nope, i have no problems with my disk |
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| 23:37:32 | * | petur is very happy with his windows installs but keeps far away from XP :) |
| 23:37:40 | Falco98 | and when the scandisk ran it only reported one orphaned file or something |
| 23:37:47 | sharpe | i use xp... |
| 23:37:53 | Falco98 | generally i've never had any XP problems that have lasted this long |
| 23:38:10 | Falco98 | really i need to install the newer version i have (nemesis 4) but have been too lazy so far |
| 23:38:17 | Mikachu | sharpe: i use linux :P |
| 23:38:23 | petur | Falco98: scandisk on startup only runs when windows doesn't find its cookie that marks the disk as 'shutdown properly' |
| 23:38:27 | sharpe | heh |
| 23:38:35 | sharpe | mmm, cookie |
| 23:38:39 | sharpe | i like cookies |
| 23:38:44 | sharpe | especially sugar cookies |
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| 23:38:52 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 23:38:59 | Falco98 | well it had probably been a few weeks since i'd restarted |
| 23:39:06 | Falco98 | so i might have had a rocky shutdown |
| 23:39:12 | Falco98 | but definitely no "major" problems |
| 23:39:38 | sharpe | i'll check how long it's been since a restart for me... |
| 23:39:56 | petur | if it was writing to disk during a power cut you need a bit of bad luck to get windows killed |
| 23:40:07 | Mikachu | % uptime |
| 23:40:08 | Mikachu | 23:40:02 up 32 days, 3:18, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.20, 0.42 |
| 23:40:08 | Mikachu | 8================================D |
| 23:40:40 | Bagder | uptime |
| 23:40:41 | Bagder | 11:40pm up 483 days, 12:03, 9 users, load average: 0.32, 0.09, 0.03 |
| 23:40:41 | sharpe | if 8 = D, why use so many equal signs to signify one expression? |
| 23:40:42 | petur | my disk at work was thrashed last year when there was a power failure.... partition corrupted |
| 23:41:05 | Mikachu | sharpe: #= == #days running |
| 23:41:30 | sharpe | meh |
| 23:41:53 | sharpe | 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, 59 seconds |
| 23:42:14 | Mikachu | i am good at ruining jokes |
| 23:42:46 | Falco98 | what's the dos command to check uptime, again? |
| 23:42:58 | sharpe | systeminfo, for xp anyway. |
| 23:43:08 | Falco98 | oh wow |
| 23:43:14 | Falco98 | this is what i get when i type that, now: |
| 23:43:23 | Falco98 | ERROR: Transport failure. |
| 23:43:31 | sharpe | ... |
| 23:43:49 | sharpe | that scares me... |
| 23:43:52 | Falco98 | then again, my explorer.exe isn't running, so my system is bound to be just "weird" in some ways until i reinstall |
| 23:43:52 | Mikachu | a clear and helpful error message, as we've come to expect from windows |
| 23:43:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Woo! 7 hours! |
| 23:44:14 | Mikachu | i'm up for a reboot though, linux usb ate my ports, only my mouse is left |
| 23:44:33 | sharpe | wow... software eating hardware.. scary... |
| 23:44:41 | Mikachu | it's only eaten in software |
| 23:44:45 | Mikachu | they start working after reboot |
| 23:45:05 | sharpe | meh |
| 23:45:47 | Mikachu | i wonder if i can hang on until 2.6.17 |
| 23:46:19 | * | Bagder installed 2.6.16.15 today on his ARM9-box at work |
| 23:46:37 | Bagder | much rejoicing |
| 23:46:42 | Mikachu | i wonder if x < y < z < w will be true soon |
| 23:46:59 | Bagder | just a few days away |
| 23:48:10 | sharpe | i can't remember the last time windows actually crashed on me... heh... |
| 23:49:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Spam? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3533;sa=showPosts |
| 23:49:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or just really special? |
| 23:49:44 | Mikachu | if you're looking for spam i can send you some |
| 23:49:55 | sharpe | he's got the connections |
| 23:50:05 | Mikachu | spam spam, wonderful spam |
| 23:50:42 | * | Bagder presses the big bad delete button |
| 23:50:43 | Bagder | twice |
| 23:50:44 | Falco98 | that link didn't work |
| 23:51:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: No, it does work, there just aren't results any more. |
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| 23:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: How much give does your iRiver joystick have? Just like "it feels lose, but really hardly moves at all?" |
| 23:53:48 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah |
| 23:53:58 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: like.. just a *little* wiggle |
| 23:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine's like that too then. |
| 23:54:10 | Falco98 | ok |
| 23:54:24 | amiconn | Hmpf, wtf. Even when looping an spdif signal through the archos, i don't get a proper vlidity flag. |
| 23:54:30 | Falco98 | then i don't need to worry =) |
| 23:54:38 | amiconn | I can hear the signal fine though... |
| 23:55:06 | Falco98 | oh.. can someone tell me what "car adapter mode" is? |
| 23:55:18 | Falco98 | i haven't tried it with a tape adapter yet, but i found it in settings and was curious |
| 23:55:36 | preglow | amiconn: iriver doesn't receive it at all? not even iriverfw? |
| 23:55:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: It actually relates to having your unit plugged into an in-car DC adapter. |
| 23:55:58 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: oh, like a cigarette-lighter charger? |
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| 23:56:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Yup. When the power cuts off, I *think* it shuts down. Or maybe just stops the music. Can't remember which. (Of course, Stopped Music can lead to Idle Off anyway) |
| 23:56:30 | amiconn | preglow: The iriver does receive it. spdif monitor shows sample rate, category etc, recording monitor thru uda1380 working fine. Just no validity flag... |
| 23:56:47 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: i was hoping it might have something to do with the fact that my tape adapter only plays through the right channel :-/ |
| 23:56:58 | preglow | amiconn: is it possible that the archos just doesn't set it? |
| 23:57:08 | preglow | amiconn: on coldfire, i can actually choose whether to have the validity bit set or not |
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| 23:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: It sounds like a bad tape adapter then. |
| 23:57:51 | amiconn | That's what I'm trying to find out. There is a bit for setting the validity of the spdif output, but (1) I believe it has a slightly different meaning and (2) it is set correctly |
| 23:58:24 | amiconn | Maybe the mas is playing tricks, like setting the signal to invalid when not setting the correct channel status for output or such |
| 23:58:38 | preglow | migh be |
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