00:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: I just discovered that I own two. I'm not sure where the second came from, as they're both labelled "Creative" and I only have one creative MP3 player, a little Muvo I got as a giveaway somewhere. |
00:01:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect it's reproducing my division |
00:01:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | by |
00:02:24 | amiconn | preglow: No validity bit with original firmware either |
00:02:48 | preglow | weird |
00:03:01 | preglow | it might just be a quirk |
00:04:19 | amiconn | Original firmware sets different channel status bits though. It also sets preemphasis (!) |
00:04:28 | preglow | ! |
00:04:28 | preglow | hahaha |
00:04:29 | preglow | excellent |
00:04:34 | preglow | those drunkards at archos |
00:04:42 | amiconn | ...to reserved (4) (!!) |
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00:09:53 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: wow i didn't know Creative even made tape adapters.. |
00:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: They probably just rebrand some cheap generic to package with players |
00:12:05 | preglow | amiconn: but yeah, i gotta finish this patch. so the best approach to spdif powering is recording.c telling pcm_record.c what the spdif power setting, then letting pcm_record.c deal with the rest? |
00:13:23 | amiconn | I think so. The alternative would be to handle it in recording.c directly; depends on how close pcm_record.c follows what recording.c tells it |
00:15:49 | preglow | it would be nice to deal with it in pcm_record |
00:15:56 | preglow | all source changes are registered in one place |
00:16:07 | preglow | in recording.c the source gets changed here and there |
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00:16:15 | preglow | and i don't like duplicating code |
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00:19:58 | * | Falco98 wonders where hardeep went |
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00:20:42 | hardeep | Falco98: still here |
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00:23:00 | Falco98 | ahh |
00:23:10 | Falco98 | hardeep: working on 3.0 then? |
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00:25:54 | petur | memoserv help |
00:26:13 | petur | memoserv show 1 |
00:26:20 | petur | memoserv 1 |
00:26:26 | petur | memoserv ? |
00:26:30 | Bagder | ? |
00:26:32 | preglow | hi there |
00:27:08 | Mikachu | petur: / |
00:27:12 | midkay | haha. |
00:27:29 | hardeep | Falco98 - not right now, no. |
00:27:36 | petur | mikachu? |
00:28:04 | petur | you sent something to me? |
00:28:09 | Falco98 | ah |
00:28:15 | Mikachu | oh, heh, maybe i did a week or two ago |
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00:28:33 | petur | how does one read it? |
00:28:39 | Mikachu | Day changed to 05 maj 2006 |
00:28:39 | Mikachu | 00:53:02 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- Memo has been recorded for [petur] |
00:28:53 | Mikachu | /msg memoserv read 1 |
00:28:54 | Mikachu | i think |
00:29:29 | petur | ah... skype joke :) |
00:29:35 | amiconn | . /msg memoserv can be abbreviated to just /ms |
00:29:58 | Mikachu | if you have that alias, yes... |
00:30:05 | petur | worked here :) |
00:31:05 | Mikachu | after reading that article, i am probably not going to run skype |
00:31:15 | petur | my body needs a bit hibernating |
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00:32:29 | Bagder | sleep(HZ * 3600 *6); |
00:34:07 | Mikachu | sleep(HZ*PI*10000000); |
00:34:18 | Mikachu | (a year) |
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00:36:01 | Falco98 | hardeep: just so you know (not sure if you saw it when i mentioned in here earlier), i've put a $10 bounty on my feature request, for a working patch |
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00:37:26 | hardeep | Falco98: not sure how much of an incentive that is =) |
00:37:42 | preglow | we all know you're in it for the money |
00:38:09 | hardeep | doh, caught |
00:38:10 | Falco98 | hardeep: better than $0 anyway :) plus i may raise it to $25 personal plus $25 project contribution if it works its way into an official build after 3.0 is out |
00:38:51 | preglow | what feature request is this? |
00:38:52 | Mikachu | corporate lobbying :( |
00:39:00 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
00:39:14 | Falco98 | i was talking about it in here a few hours ago |
00:39:20 | preglow | someone bounty spdif recording quick, plz! |
00:39:30 | Falco98 | hahaha |
00:39:42 | Mikachu | can someone put a bounty on conway's game of life? |
00:43:26 | Falco98 | a few people might want to put a bounty on the iRiver h10s :-P |
00:43:46 | Falco98 | actually i've been curious.. is there any work being done on the new iriver flash models? |
00:43:50 | Falco98 | the T series i think? |
00:43:56 | Falco98 | it's not even mentioned anywhere |
00:43:59 | preglow | hell, a bounty of a couple of five thousand grand and i'll port it |
00:44:09 | Falco98 | yeah |
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00:46:28 | preglow | Falco98: might be a useful feature, in any case |
00:46:40 | preglow | there's a risk i might actually use it |
00:48:15 | Moos | Bagder: oh, that seems there is something wrong with last CVS build, no .rockbox file, I first thought that it was relocalized in .rockbox dir, but apparently no |
00:51:12 | Falco98 | preglow: which, mine? |
00:51:26 | Falco98 | preglow: or spdif recording? |
00:55:10 | preglow | yours |
00:55:15 | Falco98 | ahh cool |
00:55:34 | amiconn | preglow: spdif pass-thorugh works, when setting ebu1config correctly |
00:55:38 | Falco98 | well if me and hardeep are right, it might be fairly easy to implement |
00:57:13 | preglow | amiconn: straight-forward? |
00:57:37 | amiconn | In principle, yes. There's some clashing between playback code (voice) and recording code |
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01:01:39 | preglow | so should we do it or not? |
01:02:33 | amiconn | I just set EBU1CONFIG to 4 instead of 0 (feed-through ebuin1) |
01:02:47 | amiconn | For some reason it doesn't work right after entering the recording screen |
01:03:16 | amiconn | If I got to the recording settings menu (which is voiced correctly), then go back, I get proper monitoring |
01:03:35 | preglow | btw |
01:03:47 | preglow | you know why source selection isn't saved right on iriver always? |
01:04:12 | amiconn | Nope. From looking at the code it should |
01:04:52 | preglow | exactly |
01:07:54 | preglow | but yeah, you didn't find a good way of getting the spdif sample rate on mas? |
01:09:42 | amiconn | nope |
01:10:02 | preglow | ok, i'll just comment it out for archos, then |
01:10:08 | amiconn | Only the mpeg header, which only updates when recording for real, but not when monitoring |
01:10:11 | preglow | but i'll just add it in audio.h in case we ever get it going |
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01:16:03 | preglow | amiconn: enabling spdif power again even if it's already enabled should have no impact, right? it's just a pin flip |
01:16:16 | amiconn | correct |
01:17:33 | * | amiconn could now make 2 simultaneous digital recordings of the same source :) |
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01:24:44 | * | preglow tests spdif power |
01:26:11 | amiconn | Okay, spdif feed-through does indeed feed through. 48kHz sample rate is preserved, which wouzldn't work for normal output (correct?) |
01:27:09 | preglow | success |
01:27:12 | preglow | correct |
01:27:20 | preglow | it should feed through correctly if the data sheet is correct |
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01:28:50 | preglow | source select just does not save right |
01:28:51 | preglow | argh |
01:32:13 | amiconn | hmm? |
01:32:26 | preglow | when i select spdif as source, then shut down, it loads mic as source again |
01:32:31 | amiconn | yes |
01:32:38 | whatboutbob | amiconn: so you're saying optical out now works at the same time as optical in now? |
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01:32:42 | amiconn | I thought you found what happens... |
01:32:57 | preglow | nope, i didn't |
01:33:06 | sharpe | what to do, what to do... |
01:33:20 | preglow | whatboutbob: new patch incoming soon now |
01:33:21 | amiconn | whatboutbob: Yes, but not quite right yet |
01:34:12 | amiconn | 2 threads messing with the same config register isn't a good idea |
01:34:31 | whatboutbob | amiconn: shweet. so you know if analog out works during recording? |
01:34:39 | whatboutbob | *do |
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01:36:33 | amiconn | it does, and monitors the recording signal |
01:36:46 | whatboutbob | nice. thanks. |
01:37:18 | preglow | you haven't tested that yet? |
01:37:22 | preglow | it's been in the patch for ages |
01:38:07 | whatboutbob | optical out I have...just not analog out. |
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01:39:27 | preglow | well, it's got the same signal as the headphones |
01:40:43 | amiconn | preglow: I can record fine from archos to h140 when I make the DMA ignore the validity flag |
01:40:45 | whatboutbob | ok...so if you're using a digital in w/ a > 44.1 sample rate, and optical out, the output will be sampled back to 44.1? |
01:41:18 | amiconn | nope |
01:41:25 | whatboutbob | oops...not optical out...analog out... |
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01:42:55 | preglow | amiconn: so, should we? |
01:43:28 | preglow | whatboutbob: not so much samples back as raped than spit out again |
01:43:34 | preglow | s/samples/sampled/ |
01:43:40 | amiconn | wow, the MAS output is clipping... |
01:43:49 | whatboutbob | preglow: that doesn't sound pleasant... |
01:44:01 | preglow | whatboutbob: it's resampled to 44.1khz with no interpolation or filtering or anything |
01:44:07 | preglow | whatboutbob: it sounds very bad, but nothing we can do about it |
01:44:26 | preglow | besides, it's just monitoring, it's not the most important thing ever |
01:44:39 | whatboutbob | preglow: no worries. I don't care...just asking for the faq. |
01:44:50 | amiconn | preglow: Imho it doesn't sound that bad |
01:45:02 | amiconn | Right now I'm testing 32kHz recording |
01:45:02 | whatboutbob | some tapers will want to daisy chain them. |
01:45:42 | amiconn | Playing a wav on my archos (with wavplay), recording that on iriver |
01:45:53 | preglow | whatboutbob: why not daisy chain with optical out, then? |
01:46:01 | preglow | that's what you got in in the first place |
01:46:07 | amiconn | 32->44.1 sounds worse than 48->44.1 |
01:46:09 | whatboutbob | sample rate > 44.1 >optical in > optical out won't get errr...raped and spit out...right? |
01:46:12 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't surprise me |
01:46:16 | preglow | whatboutbob: correct |
01:46:22 | preglow | whatboutbob: the signal won't be changed at all |
01:47:15 | whatboutbob | preglow: i don't think I'll ever use any of this functionality...there aren't enough tapers in my neck of the woods...I'm just confirming for the taping masses. |
01:47:21 | whatboutbob | thanks. |
01:47:59 | preglow | but yeah |
01:48:00 | whatboutbob | 'this funcionality' = optical/analog output |
01:48:03 | preglow | optical out monitoring is not done yet |
01:48:09 | whatboutbob | yup. |
01:48:16 | preglow | i'll leave that part to amiconn |
01:48:23 | preglow | i think i'll just leave spdif recording be from now on |
01:48:33 | amiconn | m-r-f |
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01:48:53 | preglow | at least i learnt a bunch of stuff about coldfire's audio parts |
01:49:07 | whatboutbob | hehe...i think you've done enough. :-) |
01:49:24 | preglow | i need to update the manual as well |
01:49:36 | whatboutbob | you going to try to commit the next patch? |
01:50:11 | preglow | i am going to post a patch, then i no complaints are heard, commit tomorrow |
01:50:21 | preglow | just one problem left: source isn't saved properly |
01:50:32 | Alexo_O | Hi |
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01:51:01 | whatboutbob | that minor irritation doesn't seem like enough to not commit. |
01:51:11 | whatboutbob | (if no other issues come to light) |
01:51:32 | amiconn | preglow: recording doesn't keep the unit active in case the time between saves is too long (32kHz recording) |
01:51:58 | amiconn | And yes, it is voice that disturbs monitoring (not only optical but also analog) |
01:52:48 | preglow | amiconn: so it shuts off? |
01:52:57 | * | amiconn wonders whether we should accept spdif signals with valnogood set |
01:53:19 | amiconn | In general, I mean. There might be more sources which don't set that bit correctly |
01:54:03 | preglow | i don't really know |
01:54:04 | preglow | probably |
01:54:27 | preglow | but yeah, how do i make recording keep the unit active, then? |
01:55:06 | whatboutbob | preglow: I won't be able to test much over the next 24 hours, but if you could perhaps pm me or post a precompiled build w/ the new patch i'll make sure others do. (i can't compile @ work) |
01:55:44 | preglow | i'll post both |
01:56:06 | whatboutbob | thanks. |
01:56:40 | Alexo_O | Sorry if I interrupt, but I think I'm having some problems installing Rockbox.... iPod mini 2nd gen, OsX, step f, where the guide says not to disconnect... |
01:57:39 | Alexo_O | Console output? |
01:58:02 | amiconn | Oooh, nice. The mas pcm codec does upsample low sample rates for spdif out (unlike the builtin mp3 codec). So spdif out works for 8/11/12/16/22/24 kHz pcm |
01:58:08 | Alexo_O | here it is: |
01:58:10 | Alexo_O | iBook-G4:~/Desktop/rockbox AlexTheStampede$ ./diskdump -w /dev/disk4s3 rockboot.bin |
01:58:10 | Alexo_O | diskdump v0.1 - (C) Dave Chapman 2005 |
01:58:10 | Alexo_O | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
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01:58:10 | Alexo_O | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
01:58:10 | Alexo_O | [INFO] Reading partition table... |
01:58:11 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
01:58:11 | Alexo_O | Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) |
01:58:13 | Alexo_O | [ERR] Specified partition (0) does not exist: |
01:58:13 | amiconn | (quadrupling or doubling the output rate) |
01:58:15 | Alexo_O | Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) |
01:58:17 | Alexo_O | iBook-G4:~/Desktop/rockbox AlexTheStampede$ |
01:59:13 | preglow | amiconn: what kind of resampling does it use? |
01:59:43 | amiconn | I don't think it does anything fancy. Just doubling or quadrupling every sample... |
01:59:58 | preglow | ouch |
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02:00:07 | preglow | even cheaper than what we do |
02:00:16 | amiconn | I can check... |
02:00:28 | preglow | just make a wav of some short pulses and impulses |
02:00:42 | preglow | if you find out it does something more fancy, that is |
02:01:12 | amiconn | It just seems to do what I think. Nice aliasing noises... |
02:02:10 | preglow | weird |
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02:02:20 | preglow | they should have more than enough horsepower left to do some really nifty-ass resampling |
02:02:23 | preglow | but i guess they didn't care |
02:04:02 | amiconn | Still better than the mp3 codec. It simply disables spdif out for sample rates < 32 kHz |
02:04:11 | preglow | i guess |
02:04:33 | preglow | but ok |
02:04:43 | preglow | any guesses what messes up the source saving? |
02:05:02 | preglow | i honestly have no clue |
02:05:23 | amiconn | Hehe, the mas doesn't upsample(!) |
02:05:38 | amiconn | It just lies about the bitrate, leading to mickey mouse recordings |
02:05:43 | preglow | other than that, new patch here: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch |
02:05:47 | amiconn | s/bitrate/sample rate/ |
02:05:52 | preglow | hahaha |
02:06:08 | amiconn | I don't have your freqmeas stuff in place |
02:06:17 | amiconn | Do you think it would detect that lie? |
02:07:12 | preglow | it does measure the actual bitrate, so it should |
02:07:23 | sharpe | i had an idea, but it's essentially useless |
02:07:44 | sharpe | but it's a cool idea, at the same time. |
02:07:45 | preglow | ahh, shit, that patch will not compile for archos |
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02:08:17 | sharpe | anyone wish to hear? |
02:08:44 | sharpe | wouldn't be very applicable for players without any means to record though. |
02:08:52 | XavierGr | shoot |
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02:10:59 | Alexo_O | Pretty please.... |
02:11:15 | sharpe | meh, for players than can record, we could monitor input for a few seconds, then adjust the output volume proportionally to lower the risk of hearing damage. as people generally turn their music up as things get louder... i don't know, i've just had the idea in my head for a while... it'd be fun to implement though. |
02:11:38 | sharpe | wouldn't be too useful without anything to record with though. |
02:13:06 | preglow | some players can do it in hardware |
02:13:20 | sharpe | i know |
02:13:46 | sharpe | but it is an interesting concept, isn't it? |
02:13:59 | preglow | well, i would never use anything like that |
02:14:07 | sharpe | i really doubt i would either |
02:14:09 | preglow | but some people might think so |
02:14:18 | Falco98 | seems similar to the car stereos that adjust volume as the car accelerates |
02:14:25 | sharpe | yeah |
02:15:15 | sharpe | except nothing to do with an accelerometer. :D |
02:18:07 | whatboutbob | sharpe: an avc...hrmm...interesting...but i wouldn't use it. :-) |
02:19:26 | Alexo_O | seriously, i'm worried about my iPod... |
02:19:40 | whatboutbob | falco98: now if police could force manufacturers to do that the other way around (the faster the car goes, the quieter the stereo), lives could be saved. :-) |
02:20:39 | Falco98 | whatboutbob: hehe |
02:21:35 | sharpe | Alexo_O: what be thine problemo? |
02:22:24 | Alexo_O | i'm stuck, at step f, the ipod should remount itself after a while |
02:22:31 | Alexo_O | and it's not happening |
02:22:40 | sharpe | ooooooh. |
02:23:56 | Alexo_O | also, the guide says in uppercase to do not disconnect :-\ |
02:24:14 | BHSPitMonkey | uppercase shmuppercase |
02:24:23 | preglow | think i'll post a build now |
02:24:34 | sharpe | pssh, you can restore it. be a rebel. disconnect it. you know you want to. |
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02:25:10 | Alexo_O | so it's safe? well, that's good news :-) |
02:25:22 | sharpe | it's very hard to brick an ipod... |
02:25:36 | sharpe | othat than physically damaging it, of course. |
02:25:41 | Alexo_O | lol |
02:28:00 | Alexo_O | like from factory. :-) |
02:28:31 | sharpe | yeh |
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02:30:51 | preglow | whatboutbob_: patch and binary posted |
02:31:01 | preglow | commence bed-time preparations |
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02:50:37 | whatboutbob__ | preglow: Thanks. I'll test on the train in to work. That should get me some funny looks. |
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02:53:18 | sharpe | wow |
02:53:53 | sharpe | i had access to microsoft elearning training. didn't know it until it's about to expire |
02:55:07 | sharpe | not like i'm using it either. |
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03:02:36 | sharpe | ah, i have an idea for the name of something! |
03:03:06 | amiconn | preglow: Hah, I know why the 'digital' source setting isn't saved.... |
03:04:24 | amiconn | We thought settings.c:418 would handle the case for HAVE_SPDIF_IN, but it does so *only* for MAS3587F |
03:04:48 | midkay | amiconn, did you catch my message like a day ago regarding the viewer? |
03:05:18 | amiconn | Some clever guy added the recording settings for iriver (UDA1380 in a totally different places: settings.c:501..521 |
03:05:31 | amiconn | This ought to be fixed to avoid further confusion... |
03:05:52 | amiconn | midkay: Hmm, more precise time stamp? |
03:06:39 | midkay | 15.24.37 in the http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060510.txt log.. |
03:06:44 | amiconn | preglow: ...and decimator + analog gain should be combined in teh settings file as they are on the recording screen |
03:09:33 | amiconn | midkay: The viewer is less bad than the editor, but it still needs fixing. |
03:09:56 | amiconn | The viewer crashes with wide view + long lines. It also crashes when loading an utf16 file |
03:09:59 | midkay | amiconn, wasn't it the viewer you said needed fixing? or did i misread your message? did you mean 'editor'? |
03:10:18 | amiconn | I don't say it should handle these cases, but it shouldn't crash at least |
03:11:04 | midkay | argh, my bad.. you said editor. :) |
03:11:08 | amiconn | It should also save settings as ascii using the settingsfile plugin library, and it should only save settings on exit when they really changed |
03:11:35 | midkay | amiconn, that latter part shouldn't be hard. is there a reason you want to save settings as ascii? |
03:12:09 | midkay | we may as well pretty much revert to the old loading/saving system in that case. i only tossed it because mainly it wasn't working for me, and then i discovered that bug report after changing it.. |
03:12:22 | amiconn | The button assignment stuff was already fixed by me a week ago |
03:12:33 | midkay | right. |
03:12:52 | amiconn | The changes there were really bad, e.g. it was impossible to scroll horizontally (wide view) on player |
03:13:23 | amiconn | Why the old system? This was custom-made, right? |
03:13:29 | midkay | amiconn, ah, i was very worried about the player build of it, yeah. |
03:13:39 | amiconn | Ondio was also very bad |
03:14:11 | midkay | amiconn, which was custom made? the old one was done with ascii, the new one just saves the structure to disk .. however.. :) |
03:15:46 | amiconn | Well, the old system did use ascii, but it didn't use apps/plugins/lib/configfile for it |
03:15:56 | amiconn | That's what I meant with custom made |
03:16:11 | midkay | ah, i hadn't seen lib/configfile. |
03:16:22 | amiconn | Several plugins use it already |
03:16:32 | midkay | i'll have to have a look. but i'm rather useless since that bug exists.. |
03:16:39 | amiconn | oscilloscope even does the save-only-when-changed thing |
03:17:02 | midkay | amiconn, nice to know, i'll look into it. |
03:17:14 | amiconn | ..although in a sub-optimal way, duplicating the whole settings block. I'll replace that with only one block + a crc32 across it |
03:18:04 | amiconn | But now, sleep |
03:18:10 | amiconn | (03:18 am here) |
03:18:11 | midkay | amiconn, ah, that's what i was going to do.. |
03:18:22 | midkay | amiconn, cool. alright. nite. :) |
03:19:24 | sharpe | ahhhRRR! |
03:21:44 | midkay | 'tis it, sharpe/ |
03:23:26 | midkay | ?* |
03:23:26 | sharpe | nothing really. boredom. |
03:24:01 | midkay | what's up? |
03:24:39 | sharpe | about the same thing as always. random bouts of happiness, boredom, sadness, et cetera. haven't worked on the emulator in forever. you? |
03:27:59 | midkay | why not? :\ |
03:28:02 | midkay | i'm. hm. |
03:28:11 | midkay | similar. |
03:28:18 | sharpe | i dunno, i've had time, but haven't really wanted to work on much |
03:28:22 | midkay | stressed about the viewer a bit.. |
03:28:28 | sharpe | what viewer? |
03:28:37 | midkay | rockbox's text viewer. |
03:28:40 | sharpe | ah |
03:28:44 | sharpe | what's wrong with it? |
03:29:00 | midkay | i removed the saving/loading of file position when you exit and people rather want it back :) |
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03:29:24 | sharpe | wow... seems insignificant |
03:29:46 | midkay | yeah, it kinda is. it still should really be in by 3.0, since people apparently like to read books on their devices daily.. |
03:30:21 | sharpe | well, think about it, if they drive while reading, you'll eventually be able to remove the feature quietly, without any fuss. |
03:30:30 | sharpe | :D |
03:30:36 | midkay | hahaha.. let's hope. ;D |
03:31:34 | sharpe | i need to find something to occupy my time though |
03:31:49 | midkay | yeah :) |
03:31:56 | midkay | i have several, sorta.. |
03:32:09 | sharpe | hmm? |
03:32:15 | midkay | need to finish the bounce.c update. i think i'll do that now.. |
03:32:29 | sharpe | ah... |
03:32:39 | midkay | wormlet update i just remembered.. |
03:32:46 | midkay | minor crap. :) |
03:32:58 | sharpe | go me for not having cvs access! |
03:33:25 | sharpe | so it's not like i'm obliged to do anything |
03:34:15 | midkay | haha. |
03:34:42 | midkay | you're semi-envied. ;0 |
03:34:45 | midkay | :)* |
03:34:47 | sharpe | heheh |
03:35:20 | sharpe | of course i can always think of some ideas for rockbox, however, it seems as if i'm out of them |
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03:35:28 | sharpe | so i can't work on any of them |
03:35:39 | amiconn | midkay: What about the clock plugin? |
03:35:48 | midkay | going to bug reports, finding a simplish one and fixing it is pretty fun. :) |
03:35:52 | midkay | amiconn, what? |
03:36:04 | midkay | @ the user/bg color stuff? |
03:36:14 | amiconn | Clock needs adapting to different lcd resolutions |
03:37:13 | midkay | amiconn, right, but i don't think i can do that before 3.0. i'd like to get things mostly drawn based on LCD_HEIGHT and _WIDTH, so it would auto-adapt to all targets, instead of #if LCD_WIDTH == 112, xpos = 10; #elif .... |
03:37:45 | midkay | simply xpos = (LCD_WIDTH / 11)-ish. |
03:38:06 | midkay | btw, is there any change as far as the release date? still on for the fifteenth? |
03:38:23 | midkay | playback is working better, but still seems pretty far from rock-solid. |
03:39:06 | XavierGr | we have the power issue unsloved too :( |
03:39:23 | midkay | hm. :\ |
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03:39:54 | midkay | everything just seems rather behind-schedule.. |
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03:40:05 | XavierGr | God I was going for some bug hunting today but my windows machine broke, so I had to restore and make a new better image based on that. |
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03:40:19 | midkay | XavierGr, ouch :\ |
03:40:39 | midkay | the "no open bugs on supported platforms" release goal seems pretty far away.. |
03:41:20 | XavierGr | yup |
03:41:59 | midkay | i should go through and clean up a bit, also.. i've seen several dupes that i haven't had time to sort out, and invalid-ish ones.. |
03:42:10 | Falco98 | hmm |
03:42:20 | Falco98 | are they ironing out the h1X0 track-skip / seek bugs at all? |
03:42:48 | midkay | i haven't seen any playback work going on too recently.. |
03:43:19 | midkay | but they need fixing before 3.0, so i don't think may 15 will work out.. |
03:44:02 | XavierGr | well I have sent some samples to lostlogic for that but he didn't had the time to listen them |
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03:45:09 | midkay | XavierGr, ah.. |
03:47:28 | midkay | be back in like 15 minutes.. i'll do a bugtracker cleanout then. |
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03:53:02 | XavierGr | ok bed time here too. |
03:53:19 | XavierGr | it is getting early here! 5.00 am nearly... |
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04:04:58 | sharpe | http://www.explodingdog.com/january2/ifatreefallsinaforestandnob.html |
04:05:00 | sharpe | yay. |
04:06:36 | midkay | um. i don't get it. |
04:06:56 | blind | lol |
04:07:49 | sharpe | :) |
04:08:42 | midkay | really though. :) |
04:09:05 | sharpe | :( |
04:09:33 | midkay | i know that saying, but i don't get the picture. some tard's .. writing something on a clipboard? |
04:09:47 | sharpe | he's asking the tree |
04:10:05 | midkay | hahaha. |
04:15:51 | sharpe | i like this one too, http://www.explodingdog.com/january2/allmyfriendsaredead.html |
04:16:09 | midkay | haha. |
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04:20:01 | sharpe | boredom... |
04:20:03 | sharpe | soon sleep... |
04:22:13 | midkay | yay. |
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04:27:47 | sharpe | sleep time, g'night all. |
04:27:52 | midkay | night sharpe |
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05:27:32 | webguest25 | hey |
05:27:43 | webguest25 | anyone got any progress on the ipod 3g port? |
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05:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | RockCalender's not in CVS, is it? |
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05:33:54 | BHSPitMonkey | any word on whether the freeze extension is on? |
05:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It probably will be, but then the next deadline isn't reached yet. |
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05:40:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, no, rockcalendar isn't. |
05:42:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Didn't think it was, but it's in the table at PluginIndex for some reason |
05:45:12 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, rather weird. |
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06:05:53 | BHSPitMonkey | http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=456 |
06:05:57 | BHSPitMonkey | (sorry, couldn't resist.) |
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06:59:39 | asd | quick question for anyone out there |
06:59:52 | Presence | sup? |
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07:00:12 | asd | hey; was wondering, if i rockbox my ipod, i CAN'T use itunes to transfer music? |
07:00:37 | Presence | iTunes works with the iPod Apple firmware. |
07:01:06 | Presence | Your "file system", like windows explorer, xtree, progman, whatever, works with Rockbox. |
07:01:06 | asd | so, if i transfer the music over, then i use the rockbox firmware |
07:01:22 | Presence | Apple works with Apple |
07:01:48 | Presence | Rockbox works as any normal hard disk/floppy/usb stick/whatever |
07:01:53 | asd | huh. so, the 'file system' will it organize by ID3 tags? |
07:02:08 | Presence | you use windows, right? |
07:02:09 | asd | so, it'll be a seperate drive basically? |
07:02:12 | asd | yep |
07:02:15 | Presence | kay, coolio |
07:02:26 | Presence | so you plug in your ipod, you get a new drive letter, like "I:" |
07:02:47 | asd | and i'll drop songs in there |
07:02:49 | Presence | you open up windows "Explorer", drag and drop your folders over that have music to "I:" |
07:02:57 | Presence | and in rockbox, you have *two* choices: |
07:03:00 | asd | and it'll be organized in the ipod as folders? |
07:03:03 | asd | uh huh |
07:03:11 | Presence | 1) you "explore" on your ipod just like it was on your windows explorer |
07:03:29 | Presence | 2) you use "Tag Cache" and do a database-style thing *Similiar* to iTunes on the ipod. |
07:03:30 | blind | woah |
07:03:33 | blind | it crashes very often? |
07:03:36 | blind | :P |
07:04:27 | asd | and the 'tag cache'... is it true that it doesn't organize songs by song number in ID3 tags? |
07:04:33 | Presence | asd, personally, I'm a "neat freak" and my folder structure is JUST FINE thank you, so I do "#1" and explore the ipod "hard drive" in Rockbox just as I would if it were any hard drive. |
07:05:05 | Presence | I couldn't specifically say about Tag Cache and song numbers in an album. |
07:05:11 | Presence | I know the Wiki says it doesn't... |
07:05:19 | Presence | but seriously, by now, I bet it totally works. |
07:05:36 | asd | ahh |
07:05:38 | Presence | The Rockbox Guys make changes faster to the Rockbox code than to the manual. :) |
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07:06:12 | dongs | lol how the fuck do i put ipod in disk mode in itunes |
07:06:17 | dongs | the interface is so retarded |
07:06:20 | asd | thanks a lot bro :D |
07:06:29 | asd | i'm off to bed, if i need anymore help i'll drop in |
07:06:32 | Presence | asd, my pleasure.. congrats on the Rockbox install! |
07:06:36 | asd | good night presence :D |
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07:06:46 | dongs | halp |
07:07:02 | dongs | :D |
07:07:10 | Presence | see, now THATS the perfect example of a n00b user. joins, asks, gets the answer, leaves. |
07:07:23 | dongs | yes |
07:07:27 | dongs | now halp me so i can leave too :( |
07:07:30 | Presence | unlike fucking dongs here. |
07:07:30 | Presence | hahaha |
07:08:00 | Presence | The ipod goes into "Disk Mode" the moment you plug it into a USB port. |
07:08:19 | dongs | nah |
07:08:20 | dongs | on windows |
07:08:23 | dongs | some shit blocks it |
07:08:25 | dongs | from beign a drive |
07:08:28 | dongs | im guessing jewtunes |
07:08:29 | Presence | the ONLY way an iPod doesn't go disk-mode is if (in either rockbox or ipod retail apple) you hold down "MENU" when you plug it in. |
07:08:57 | Presence | Apple iTunes talks to the iPod in "Disk Mode" |
07:08:57 | dongs | orly, does hte menu down work even with apple fw? |
07:09:04 | dongs | well it doesnt appear as a drive |
07:09:04 | Presence | thereisn't a "special iTunes-only mode" |
07:09:06 | dongs | how 2 do it |
07:09:30 | Presence | dongs, ya rly. MENU works on both Apple firmware AND rockbox firmware. |
07:09:40 | dongs | so does it charge while that? |
07:10:01 | dongs | i know i works on rockbox, so does that mean i hold menu and plug it in and it charges and i can still paly shit? |
07:10:05 | Presence | Yes, the iPod device will charge in A) disk mode, B) rockbox play mode, C) Apple Retail play mode. |
07:10:06 | dongs | (on apple) |
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07:10:45 | Presence | Yes, on the ipod Apple Firmware, holding menu when plugging into a USB port will keep the iPod playing along, JUST like rockbox's firmware. |
07:11:56 | Presence | So, plug in your ipod into usb port, wait a few mins, and refresh your "My Computer" window, and the ipod *will* be there as a removable disk device. |
07:12:03 | dongs | lol! |
07:12:19 | dongs | Presence: no, thats wrong |
07:12:28 | dongs | i rmeember when i first got my shuffle and was dumb enough to install jewtunes |
07:12:38 | dongs | it would appear as a drive for a split second then jewtunes would hide it |
07:14:48 | Presence | What you describe does not occur on my computer-with-itunes, so I don't know what to tell you. |
07:15:09 | Presence | other than http://google.com/?q=ipod+itunes+drive+letter |
07:15:51 | dongs | hm |
07:15:55 | dongs | huhu |
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07:18:46 | dongs | hm |
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07:20:57 | dongs | ok so |
07:21:03 | dongs | whats this shit about |
07:21:06 | dongs | ipod mini |
07:21:13 | dongs | needing to be plugged into a "power source" |
07:21:15 | dongs | to reflash |
07:21:25 | dongs | or something |
07:23:22 | Presence | beats me. |
07:23:57 | dongs | this is bullshit |
07:24:42 | Presence | well, if you've plugged your mini into a USB port to flash it or whatever, are you not providing it power, too? |
07:24:51 | ScoTTie | it needs to be a wall socket |
07:24:51 | Presence | or is your USB port/hub/whatever unpowered? |
07:28:22 | dongs | Presence: apparently not |
07:28:29 | dongs | lol and they lost the wall charger too somewehre |
07:28:35 | dongs | nice |
07:28:47 | dongs | ScoTTie: anything canbe done without that? |
07:29:23 | ScoTTie | ive never tried doing it any other way to be honest |
07:29:41 | dongs | well so much for getting rockbox on that mini then |
07:29:44 | ScoTTie | it might be possible if you ejected it |
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07:29:56 | ScoTTie | in windows |
07:29:59 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
07:29:59 | * | ScoTTie shrugs |
07:30:03 | dongs | heh |
07:30:05 | dongs | i did. |
07:30:08 | dongs | and tried resetting |
07:30:15 | dongs | it just shows the "plug me in to wall" pic. |
07:30:20 | dongs | and plugging to usb = fale |
07:30:25 | ScoTTie | guess its wall only then :\ |
07:30:36 | ScoTTie | the wall plugs cost a bomb aswell |
07:31:11 | dongs | huhuhu |
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07:33:54 | rick2 | hows it going |
07:35:08 | rick2 | anyone know of any new apps for rockbox |
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07:35:41 | rick2 | !list |
07:35:43 | dongs | define "new" |
07:35:45 | dongs | lol. |
07:36:10 | rick2 | anything other then what it put's on ipod |
07:36:35 | dongs | thats all the stuff, because it depends on your platform |
07:36:42 | dongs | so the daily builds include everything supported by that device |
07:36:59 | B4gder | at least everything the project has put in the CVS |
07:38:57 | dongs | well uyea |
07:39:51 | B4gder | there's still the whopping 261 open patches that add further stuff |
07:40:19 | rick2 | open patches? |
07:40:43 | dongs | as in, not closed |
07:40:49 | dongs | and not in daily builds. |
07:41:24 | rick2 | found it on there site. i'll check them out |
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08:02:46 | dongs | craptastic |
08:02:52 | dongs | looks like they're going to get the wall plug tomorrow |
08:02:52 | dongs | lawl |
08:03:00 | qwm | :) |
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08:06:31 | t0mas | morning |
08:06:47 | webguest59 | akaidiot: good morning. |
08:07:42 | webguest59 | any idea why 060511:Rockbox for iPod 4th gen Grayscale is half the size of every other daily build? |
08:07:54 | Mikachu | no fonts |
08:08:11 | webguest59 | cool.. thanks. |
08:08:18 | Mikachu | they're in a separate zip |
08:08:38 | Mikachu | but they almost never update so you don't need to download that every day |
08:09:05 | webguest59 | do you reckon the freeze on load problem from the 060510 version is fixed in 060511? |
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08:11:14 | webguest59 | anyhow,.. excellent project; i just found it tonight, but i really appreciate it. |
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09:00:12 | JdGordon | does any1 know how to use the custom keyboard thingy? |
09:02:53 | markun | JdGordon: just write all the chars you want on your keyboard in a text file and save it as UTF-8 |
09:03:09 | JdGordon | and put it where? |
09:03:25 | markun | No idea, but you can just play it. |
09:04:38 | markun | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 |
09:04:58 | JdGordon | ta |
09:06:17 | markun | I'll close the patch. The code is in CVS, right? |
09:07:22 | JdGordon | ye i tinhk so |
09:09:56 | JdGordon | works but doesnt like new lines... |
09:12:17 | LinusN | that's too bad |
09:12:27 | markun | We could include some keyboard layouts with rockbox |
09:12:51 | markun | What should a new line do? Force a new page? |
09:13:15 | LinusN | JdGordon: it's supposed to skip newlines |
09:13:27 | JdGordon | well i was expecting it print the keyboard as it is in the file.. have to play with spaces to make it formatted nicely.. |
09:13:38 | LinusN | markun: it's tedious to edit a keyboard file if everything is on one line |
09:14:19 | markun | JdGordon: The layout will be different again if you change your font |
09:14:21 | _FireFly_ | LinusN: is the "new" vkeyboard based on my idea? |
09:14:45 | LinusN | i don't remember whos idea it was |
09:15:06 | markun | _FireFly_: are these your ideas? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 |
09:15:22 | _FireFly_ | i mean this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MultiScreenVKeyboard |
09:16:40 | JdGordon | markun: ye so u design it to your font :D |
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09:25:41 | * | JdGordon is done.. a nice qwerty kb with all normal english chars :D |
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09:31:52 | amiconn | morning |
09:31:58 | JdGordon | morning? |
09:32:43 | markun | morning amiconn |
09:33:04 | _FireFly_ | moin amiconn |
09:33:05 | XavierGr | morning |
09:33:35 | _FireFly_ | JdGordon: here(Germany) is 9:33 am ;) |
09:35:15 | amiconn | Hmm, someone obviously couldn't read the UDA datasheet when writing the driver... |
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09:35:37 | amiconn | As we don't use the WSPLL, it doesn't need to be powered on... |
09:40:09 | dwihno | 0~ |
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09:44:58 | markun | dwihno: is that a flying egg? |
09:45:28 | JdGordon | with a cape... its a bird, its a plane.. no its SUPER EGG!!!! |
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09:46:38 | dwihno | markun: more like F5+0 ;) |
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10:28:42 | JdGordon | grr.. my function takes a char** and i have declared a char blaa[][], i call the function with &blaa dont i? |
10:29:22 | JdGordon | or do i need to make that char ***? |
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10:34:35 | preglow | blaa |
10:35:22 | preglow | that is, it depends |
10:35:22 | JdGordon | just blaa? |
10:35:33 | preglow | what is it an array of? |
10:35:49 | * | petur notices sheep in the channel |
10:35:55 | preglow | hahah |
10:36:00 | Zagor | [][] and ** are not equal |
10:36:14 | JdGordon | char found_dir_names[MAX_SUB_FOLDERS][MAX_PATH]; |
10:36:23 | JdGordon | an array of strings... |
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10:36:40 | preglow | then it'll work, afaik |
10:37:20 | petur | a big array... |
10:37:33 | preglow | no, it won't |
10:37:49 | JdGordon | ye, i dont want to make it global coz it is fairly large... |
10:37:57 | JdGordon | MAX_PATH is 256 ye? |
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10:40:30 | JdGordon | no worky... incompaitble type.. |
10:40:38 | * | JdGordon hates pointers.. |
10:41:05 | petur | cast char[][] to a char* |
10:41:23 | Zagor | JdGordon: think for a moment about how a ** and a [][] is arranged in memory. they are not the same. |
10:42:51 | JdGordon | i changed the function to be char blaa[][MAX_PATH] which fixed it... |
10:54:07 | JdGordon | whats the best way to randomly go through a list fairly quickly? |
10:55:15 | B4gder | do it right! |
10:55:28 | JdGordon | do what right? |
10:55:41 | B4gder | the going through the list |
10:55:58 | B4gder | the question is so blurry its not really possible to answer |
10:56:10 | B4gder | there are too many "it depends" |
10:56:25 | JdGordon | atm ive got index = (index+a_prime)%num_items.. but thats not really all that random |
10:59:22 | Zagor | unless you want repeats, it's not an altogether easy thing to do |
10:59:43 | Zagor | shuffling the list is one method |
10:59:55 | Zagor | (i.e. create a shadow list and shuffle that) |
10:59:58 | B4gder | yeah, that's one of the "it depends" |
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11:00:42 | JdGordon | ye, oh well.. i guess this is good enough.. |
11:01:40 | JdGordon | oh, which target do we really need to be careful with ram usage? |
11:02:39 | JdGordon | or will a 512xMAX_PATH char array be sort of ok for all? |
11:03:11 | B4gder | it depends |
11:03:20 | B4gder | it won't work on the Archoses |
11:05:20 | JdGordon | is it good enough to #define the 512 by the PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE? |
11:10:15 | amiconn | JdGordon: If you define a 512x256 char array non-static, it will crash rockbox |
11:10:28 | B4gder | JdGordon: how can we know based on no info at all? |
11:10:29 | amiconn | 32KB are too much for the stack. Rockbox is an embedded system... |
11:10:41 | amiconn | Ahem, these are even 128KB |
11:11:02 | JdGordon | so static it is... |
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11:12:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Btw, what are you trying to do? |
11:12:57 | JdGordon | another incarnation of the randomly insert directories.. |
11:13:00 | amiconn | preglow: Got my note regarding the non-saved digital input setting? |
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11:14:32 | markun | JdGordon: Can't you make an array of pointers and point each entry to one of the dirs instead of copying the path? |
11:15:13 | preglow | amiconn: yup... |
11:15:30 | JdGordon | markun: umm... depends how the readdir() function works... ill check |
11:15:37 | markun | JdGordon: hmm.. that would only work with dircache |
11:16:05 | JdGordon | which would? the array of pointers? or that function? |
11:16:54 | * | amiconn wonders what that other incarnation should do |
11:17:37 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 is the request im doing seen as my attempt at the other versions wouldnt work... |
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11:20:22 | webguest79 | hi |
11:20:46 | webguest79 | hi |
11:20:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: You should talk to hardeep on that one. I'm 99% sure you don't need an array of strings. |
11:20:58 | JdGordon | hi.. ? |
11:21:23 | amiconn | lo |
11:21:33 | scorche | med |
11:21:35 | XavierGr | JdGordon I suggest you also read jpeg.c about directory reading. |
11:21:49 | XavierGr | I mean the part that has to do with the directories |
11:21:55 | webguest79 | I have an h120, and I loaded it with .m4a's at 128kbs, but it sounds all choppy... |
11:22:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | AAC support isn't very good in Rockbox yet. Especially on the iRiver targets. |
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11:22:34 | webguest79 | is anyone working on this? |
11:22:37 | JdGordon | i got the directory traversing from stats.c.. if the readdir return value can be stored instead of the name then that would be better... but i dont know if it can..? |
11:23:00 | XavierGr | JdGordon: You can call tree_get_context to see all available items in a directory. Then you can build up a pointer list with the entries |
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11:23:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest79: It seems that generally speaking, people with AAC music aren't willing to put up with the hassle of trying to improve the codec. |
11:23:21 | JdGordon | hmm.. ok, dinner bbs |
11:23:30 | XavierGr | ah so you must look into subfolders too? |
11:23:51 | * | petur thanks firefox for crashing :( |
11:24:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest79: In most cases, they don't feel they have the skill necessary. |
11:24:52 | preglow | i'd consider improving aac if faad wasn't so incredibly crappy |
11:25:05 | webguest79 | oh. I have no idea how to optimise a codec. so I guess I'll just have to hope for the best, and meanwhile re-rip my cd's to mp3 |
11:25:13 | webguest79 | what's faad? |
11:25:40 | zigford | ITs like a trend |
11:26:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest79: Free Advanced Audio Decoder, or something like that? I'm not 100% sure. |
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11:26:24 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Afaik we're waiting for ffmpeg's new aac decoder |
11:27:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I'd heard about that, but that doesn't mean someone else can't improve ours to a usable state until then. ;-) |
11:27:55 | preglow | go ahead, it shouldn't be hard to make it somewhat faster |
11:28:59 | webguest79 | thanks for the info, and I hope something comes out of this. Bye |
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11:32:49 | tucoz | Could someone enlighten me how I should use replay gain. I use Ex Falso to tag my tracks, and I got an replay gain option there. Are there any 'good' settings I should use? |
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11:35:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every day I can hear WMA creeping a little bit closer, and every day I wonder "Will the world end when it's playing on iPod?" |
11:36:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: The defaults are probably good. Or at least, the defaults several other programs seem to use, which is 89dB, with both album and track gain tags. |
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11:37:49 | tucoz | Ok. Thanks. Maybe easier to use a commandline tool for that. It says progress 0% on all tracks, and it doesn't seem to process anything. |
11:41:11 | tucoz | maybe I need some other packages installed to get it working |
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11:59:53 | crwl | what tool did you use? |
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12:00:26 | tucoz | crwl, me? |
12:02:04 | crwl | yep |
12:02:16 | tucoz | in that case, I use ex falso for the tagging and I have an option 'Replaygain' there. |
12:02:45 | tucoz | I have installed mp3gain as well (in case that is needed) |
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12:08:42 | crwl | oh, mp3... no idea if it's actually replaygainable in Linux so that Rockbox will understand it |
12:09:53 | tucoz | I see. But vorbisgain will work (for oggs) right= |
12:09:55 | tucoz | ? |
12:10:01 | crwl | yes, and metaflac −−add-replay-gain for flacs |
12:10:14 | tucoz | ok |
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12:20:09 | tucoz | I see, so mp3gain is _not_ replaigain. |
12:20:31 | Mikachu | it's the same algo, but it doesn't actually write any tags |
12:20:47 | Mikachu | it changes the mp3 data losslessly |
12:21:11 | preglow | it does write tags as well, afaik |
12:21:14 | Mikachu | if you start an mp3 and run mp3gain on it, you'll hear the volume change while playing after it's done |
12:21:17 | preglow | for reversal of the procedure |
12:21:28 | Mikachu | not replaygain tags then |
12:21:31 | tucoz | Ok. So the change will be noticed in rockbox? |
12:21:39 | tucoz | as the mp3 data is changed |
12:21:39 | Mikachu | yes |
12:21:47 | preglow | yes, doesn't even need player support |
12:21:49 | tucoz | cool |
12:21:50 | preglow | replaygain is something else |
12:22:31 | tucoz | I just ran mp3gain -r -c *.mp3. Is this ok, or should I use some other options? |
12:22:56 | Mikachu | i seem to use /c /p /r /s s |
12:23:03 | Mikachu | the last one just stops the writing of reversal tags |
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12:23:22 | Mikachu | and p is about time stamps.. so yeah, that looks right |
12:24:05 | tucoz | Ok. good |
12:24:37 | preglow | ehh |
12:24:45 | preglow | why does the newest nano build hang on boot? :> |
12:25:06 | preglow | fancy settings, obviously |
12:25:26 | preglow | wtf |
12:26:55 | tucoz | hmm. Maybe I should use -a instead. To get the album to equal loudness instead |
12:27:07 | preglow | what the hell? rockbox.ipod isn't included in the cvs build zip???? |
12:27:25 | Mikachu | if it's an album where the tracks are meant to go together that would be a good idea |
12:27:34 | Mikachu | but mp3gain probably won't preserve gaplessness |
12:28:04 | B4gder | preglow: no? |
12:28:07 | tucoz | oh, I see. |
12:28:09 | preglow | B4gder: sure doesn't look like it |
12:28:30 | * | B4gder goes checking |
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12:29:54 | * | B4gder is now officially lamer of the year |
12:30:13 | JdGordon | haha silly bugger :D |
12:30:29 | preglow | B4gder: lemme guess, this applies to all builds? :P |
12:30:34 | B4gder | oh yes |
12:30:38 | preglow | hahahah |
12:30:43 | B4gder | funny how nobody has mentioned it |
12:30:55 | preglow | i think one guy did, but i was on my way out, and i forgot it |
12:30:59 | preglow | either that, or i dreamt it |
12:31:00 | tucoz | lamer of the year. What a nice award to get :) |
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12:31:40 | preglow | i was wondering if someone had commited my piezo patch without telling me, since my new cvs build was ticking when i used the click wheel |
12:31:44 | preglow | heh |
12:31:58 | B4gder | haha |
12:32:50 | dwihno | There is click in ipod builds now?! :D :D :D |
12:32:58 | * | dwihno loves that annoying little sound ;~) |
12:33:01 | preglow | haha |
12:33:04 | preglow | no, it's in my local build |
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12:33:28 | dwihno | :( |
12:33:35 | dwihno | Why won't anyone commit it? :( |
12:33:49 | dwihno | Is it ugly? |
12:33:51 | Mikachu | feature freeze? |
12:34:28 | dwihno | "extended freezing period suggested" |
12:34:28 | tucoz | Well, it wouldn't affect the feature freeze as the ipods are not 3.0 targets |
12:34:28 | preglow | no, it's not particularily ugly now, i believe. someone even made a nice driver out of it |
12:34:32 | preglow | but we are in feature freeze |
12:34:37 | preglow | also someone needs to do it :> |
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12:34:41 | tucoz | (I think) |
12:34:51 | dwihno | preglow: care to share your build w. me? :) |
12:34:53 | preglow | shouldn't affect release targets, no |
12:34:58 | preglow | dwihno: sure, gimme a sec |
12:35:04 | dwihno | preglow: aah, splendid :D |
12:35:16 | dwihno | Is the sound similar to the original sound? |
12:35:19 | Mikachu | no |
12:35:26 | Mikachu | it sounds more like the key beep of atari st :) |
12:35:37 | preglow | not similar at all |
12:35:39 | * | dwihno is unpacking a heapload of wifi USB sticks! weeQ |
12:35:39 | theli_ua | anyone with ipod video here? |
12:35:42 | preglow | i can't make it short enough |
12:35:50 | preglow | www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
12:35:55 | dwihno | Mikachu: Never heard that sound really... :) |
12:35:58 | Mikachu | is the apple one just one frequency or some sort of sweep? |
12:35:59 | preglow | plugins won't work and it'll destroy your settings |
12:36:02 | preglow | so it's just a tryout, heh |
12:36:13 | preglow | Mikachu: hard to say, it's so short |
12:36:25 | tucoz | Mikachu, the apple one is probably made by Vangelis |
12:36:31 | dwihno | wee :D |
12:36:35 | dwihno | :D |
12:37:21 | preglow | hahah |
12:37:34 | tucoz | which reminds me, wonder who made the ubuntu dapper start sound. I like it. |
12:37:35 | preglow | B4gder: ahahahaha, nicety |
12:37:58 | * | B4gder wears the funny hat and stands in the corner |
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12:38:39 | * | tucoz gets reminded of my first years in school |
12:38:49 | B4gder | hey, we're way below 300 seconds now for all builds |
12:39:01 | B4gder | a couple of megabytes shaved off |
12:40:23 | tucoz | Nice |
12:42:06 | * | theli_ua just tested ported by him spectrum emulator on his iPod :D |
12:44:20 | preglow | didn't someone post a patch to fix the next/prev picture behaviour on ipods? |
12:45:15 | dwihno | but if the ipod builds aren't affected by the piezo patch, why are people hesitant regarding the inclusion? |
12:45:23 | preglow | no one are hesitant |
12:45:27 | preglow | i just haven't done it yet |
12:45:40 | preglow | and a feature freeze is a feature freeze anyway |
12:45:44 | preglow | i'd like to clear it before i do anything |
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12:46:38 | dwihno | booo! :) |
12:46:58 | Cassandra | Argh! |
12:48:28 | JdGordon | ok, why isnt the uisim using my new code? ive run make a million times and it keeps using old code.. (the code is in the core so i shouldnt need to copy any files around after make for it to run...) ?? |
12:49:46 | JdGordon | hahaha im such a dll. |
12:50:01 | * | JdGordon kicks self and replaces brain... |
12:50:26 | markun | Bagder: Shall I add font7zip and full7zip? |
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12:53:28 | markun | Bagder: and what about tar? |
12:54:19 | B4gder | I don't know, I don't think many people use those targets |
12:55:11 | JdGordon | can some1 delete this comment? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338#comment7943 |
12:55:16 | JdGordon | plz |
12:55:20 | Moos | 12.30.43 # <B4gder> funny how nobody has mentioned it |
12:55:35 | amiconn | preglow: Does your latest patch compile for archos? |
12:55:38 | Moos | B4gder: I did tell it to you yesterday |
12:55:44 | preglow | amiconn: i don't know, haven't tried yet, i think it does |
12:56:14 | B4gder | Moos: you forget that I'm blind and ignorant so I didn't see that |
12:56:22 | Moos | hehe :) |
12:56:23 | markun | B4gder: too bad that 7zip isn't used more. It saves a lot of space. |
12:56:45 | Moos | 00.48.15 # <Moos> Bagder: oh, that seems there is something wrong with last CVS build, no .rockbox file, I first thought that it was relocalized in .rockbox dir, but apparently no |
12:57:08 | B4gder | Moos: I was in bed sleeping at that time |
12:57:15 | B4gder | I think |
12:57:20 | Moos | ah ok :) |
12:57:21 | B4gder | or sleeping at least ;-) |
12:57:31 | Moos | never read your logs? :p |
12:57:38 | preglow | i sure don't |
12:57:42 | preglow | takes too much time these days |
12:57:48 | Moos | indeed |
12:57:53 | preglow | i scan through quickly to look for highlights on my nick, but i don't read it |
12:57:57 | dongs | piece of shit iTunesDB |
12:58:04 | dongs | on shuffle you could place mp3s in / and it read them |
12:58:26 | dongs | but on nano (and i guess others) it needs to be in iPod_Control/Music |
12:58:31 | dongs | shittastic |
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13:00:43 | JdGordon | are the files from the tree_context in the order shown in the tree? or can i now assume that? |
13:00:59 | Cassandra | Alright, which one of you told Bagder he was allowed to sleep? |
13:01:03 | Moos | B4gder: is it planed to do same thing as for fonts for wps? |
13:01:16 | B4gder | no |
13:01:23 | Moos | ok |
13:01:36 | B4gder | they're different between targets and they're much smaller |
13:01:42 | Cassandra | Although the WPS stuff is receiving a major overhaul. |
13:01:48 | dongs | anyone here know much about iTunesDB format? |
13:01:59 | Cassandra | So that the stuff that's installed will be specific to the targer. |
13:02:07 | dongs | i wonder why the fuck this worked on my shuffle and fails here :( |
13:02:07 | Moos | we don't need all wps for each platform, no |
13:02:14 | Cassandra | (It's done. I just need to test it a bit more.) |
13:02:22 | Moos | Cassandra: working on it or something? |
13:02:25 | Moos | oki |
13:02:49 | Cassandra | It's pretty nifty, even if I say so myself. |
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13:03:38 | Cassandra | in that it'll also allow us to remove a lot of duplicated .bmp files from CVS. |
13:04:13 | Moos | great then ! |
13:04:27 | markun | JdGordon: Maybe you should add which screen res your player has (or at least which one it is) in your forum post.. |
13:05:03 | JdGordon | markun: ye, probably should :p |
13:05:37 | Cassandra | Has this trend for offering bounties for features taken off then? |
13:05:57 | preglow | obviously |
13:06:25 | * | Cassandra wonders if anyone has offered to donate bounty money to the Rockbox fund. |
13:06:31 | preglow | they have |
13:06:36 | dongs | orly |
13:06:40 | dongs | but did they? |
13:06:59 | preglow | i don't really know if anyone ever donates |
13:07:09 | preglow | all i know is that they say they do |
13:14:42 | dongs | vpod has a pretty good iTunesDB parser |
13:14:50 | dongs | too bad its in C++ and written by a complete idiot |
13:15:53 | Cassandra | btw - does anyone know why the directory cache config setting seems to have disappeared from my iPod? |
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13:20:24 | Cassandra | Gods, why is there no way to tell Windows to stop bugging me to reboot? |
13:21:23 | preglow | wouldn't be much left of windows then, would there? |
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13:22:53 | dongs | uh? reboot? |
13:22:58 | dongs | i havent rebooted my windows machines in weeks |
13:23:33 | Cassandra | Then someone will probably hack it shortly. |
13:24:05 | dongs | perhaps you have no idea how to admin a windows machine |
13:24:24 | B4gder | dongs' sensitive area |
13:24:35 | B4gder | :-) |
13:24:43 | petur | Cassandra: mine hasn't rebooted in quite some time too, but it's behind a firewall :P |
13:25:27 | Cassandra | dongs: It's always possible, but since people have paid me quite considerable sums to do that very thing, it seems unlikely. |
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13:26:07 | dongs | really. |
13:26:16 | dongs | well, there are a lot of stupid people then. |
13:26:20 | dongs | (im not denying that) |
13:26:30 | preglow | hahaha |
13:26:39 | preglow | one for good arguments, aren't you? |
13:27:08 | dongs | the ONLY people I ever seen complain about windows were either a) lunix users b) clueless AMD users who had no idea how to use windows |
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13:27:59 | B4gder | hahaha |
13:28:05 | preglow | met a lot of people, haven't you? |
13:28:05 | B4gder | you don't get out much do you? |
13:28:18 | JdGordon | umm... if they were clueless theyd have prob bought a dell so wouldnt be amd users... but stilll clueless... |
13:28:32 | dongs | now dell is bad too? |
13:28:35 | Cassandra | Well, by all means flaunt your superiority by telling me how to apply Windows patches without rebooting. I'm always glad to learn new things. |
13:28:36 | dongs | i've heard it all |
13:28:50 | dongs | windows patches come out once a MONTH. |
13:28:53 | preglow | "yes" |
13:28:56 | preglow | "so it is" |
13:29:02 | Cassandra | Well spotted. |
13:29:11 | Cassandra | The last set came out two days ago. |
13:29:24 | Cassandra | This is why my machine wants to reboot. |
13:29:29 | dongs | so why are you, being a "competent admin" rebooting TODAY? |
13:29:44 | dongs | (and complaining about it, especially if you know they were due 2 days ago) |
13:29:49 | preglow | since when did that become a point? |
13:29:54 | Cassandra | Because I have two firewalls between me and the net, and I don't run IE. |
13:30:05 | dongs | sounds like your loss |
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13:30:31 | * | petur slaps dongs with his AMD cpu |
13:30:40 | * | Mikachu hands dongs some ice |
13:30:42 | dongs | i find it funny that people will go out of the way not to use quality software, trying to find a solution to a non-existing problem |
13:30:56 | Mikachu | yeah, windows users are strange |
13:31:01 | preglow | and i find it amusing that some people thinks any operating system is flawless |
13:31:16 | preglow | but hey |
13:31:22 | preglow | there are idiots everywhere, like you say |
13:31:27 | Cassandra | I like you, dongs. You're funny. |
13:31:46 | JdGordon | i see stupid people all around me... some dont even know they are stupid :D |
13:31:48 | petur | and why AMD users should be clueless - I find the opposite more true :P |
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13:31:59 | * | B4gder is an AMD user |
13:32:04 | B4gder | lots of AMDs around |
13:32:07 | * | preglow too |
13:32:13 | * | preglow hugs his athlon64 |
13:32:14 | petur | only idiots buy slow overheating crap |
13:32:28 | dongs | well, thats amd users |
13:32:31 | markun | petur: like a dec alpha? |
13:33:06 | preglow | i haven't bothered checking intel out since pentium 4 |
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13:33:18 | Cassandra | JdGordon, I think it's called "the human condition" or something. |
13:33:21 | Mikachu | apparently those pentium m/d are pretty fast and not so hot |
13:33:25 | Mikachu | but i haven't tried myself |
13:33:36 | preglow | i don't upgrade too often |
13:33:42 | * | Mikachu warms his hands on an athlon xp 2ghz cpu |
13:33:51 | Cassandra | preglow, it's looking as if Yonah may well be a better option than Althon64, at least in the short term. |
13:33:56 | preglow | i had a t-bird once, heh |
13:34:02 | Cassandra | I'm eagerly awaiting the reviews. |
13:34:10 | dongs | what |
13:34:16 | preglow | i don't very much follow hardware in between upgrades |
13:34:20 | dongs | http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2750 |
13:34:21 | Mikachu | yeah i had a tbird .9ghz before this one |
13:34:28 | dongs | 1.83ghz core duo beats amd in *every* benchmark |
13:34:34 | preglow | Mikachu: i had a 1.4ghz tbird, also known as the hottest cpu ever |
13:34:39 | Cassandra | I'm planning an upgrade later this year. |
13:34:43 | dongs | and that isnt even the fastest one, 2.16ghz one owns any existing cpu |
13:34:49 | Mikachu | preglow: ah, neat |
13:35:01 | preglow | Mikachu: no |
13:35:04 | Mikachu | dongs: one week amd is faster, the next week intel is faster, what else is new? |
13:35:10 | dongs | amd was never faster |
13:35:13 | preglow | ahahahaha |
13:35:19 | B4gder | and now over to... emacs is a lot better than vi! |
13:35:25 | B4gder | ;-P |
13:35:26 | Mikachu | yeah, intel and microsoft are the best companies ever, and kittens never pee |
13:35:28 | preglow | B4gder: it's not!!!!!!!!!11111111111 |
13:35:28 | Cassandra | Seems sensible to wait till Socket AM2 and Yonah come out, since I usually do the rolling upgrade thing. |
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13:35:46 | Cassandra | In some sense I've been using the same computer since 1994. |
13:35:47 | dongs | yonah has been out for like 5 months where have you been |
13:36:00 | B4gder | dongs is just our channel windows troll |
13:36:18 | JdGordon | i at least had sound with windows... fucking linux |
13:36:18 | B4gder | let him run around and have fun |
13:36:35 | preglow | i've grown so used to linux trolls i forgot windows trolls existed |
13:36:37 | markun | JdGordon: that's more like it! |
13:36:43 | dongs | JdGordon: lol, dont even start there. once you get sounds in lunix working, try playing two at once. |
13:36:51 | preglow | dongs: works just fine |
13:36:55 | Mikachu | i don't see the point of being a windows troll, unless you're steve ballmer |
13:36:57 | preglow | depends on the driver |
13:37:07 | preglow | just like in windows |
13:37:11 | dongs | really? |
13:37:13 | preglow | yup |
13:37:14 | dongs | i've got news for you |
13:37:20 | dongs | it didnt "depend on the driver" in windows since 1995. |
13:37:28 | B4gder | yes it did |
13:37:29 | Mikachu | dongs: apparently you get annoyed when i use facts about windows that are more than 4 weeks old, yet you use facts that are many years old about linux |
13:37:31 | preglow | yes it did |
13:37:38 | B4gder | of course it did even |
13:37:38 | preglow | i bloody well used a card that was like that two months ago |
13:37:42 | preglow | and i used it for a long time, so i would know |
13:38:01 | B4gder | but it also depends on the driver on just about every darned OS there is |
13:38:06 | preglow | of course |
13:38:12 | JdGordon | ok this is boring.. how bout we argue over how crap the ipod os is.. |
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13:38:21 | preglow | JdGordon: there's no argument there... |
13:38:33 | JdGordon | so everyone can go back to idling |
13:38:37 | markun | It's not THAT bad, is it? |
13:38:48 | * | B4gder never tried an iPod |
13:38:48 | preglow | markun: only thing nice about it is the design, if you ask me |
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13:39:02 | B4gder | I tried a few running Rockbox |
13:39:08 | dongs | and battery life? |
13:39:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looks slick. And I'll say their audiobook/podcast handling still has us somewhat beat. |
13:39:42 | Cassandra | dongs, I stand corrected, I mean Conroe, not Yonah. |
13:39:51 | dongs | thats what I figured. |
13:39:53 | Zagor | Paul_The_Nerd: really? i've heard a lot of complaints from people that searching in audiobooks sucks big time |
13:40:03 | dongs | but yonah already owns any current cpu, and conroe will only be faster. |
13:40:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zagor: I dunno. I liked it better than seeking long distances, since next-track jumped to preset points, so it was really easy to get 3/4 of the way through. Though, bookmarks beat that hands down anyway |
13:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: We've established that you're a "Mainstream is better" kinda guy. Can we just drop all this. |
13:41:08 | Mikachu | i like how audiobooks in ipods os automatically saves where you are, and doesn't affect your music playlist at all |
13:41:11 | Cassandra | There are some neat things about iPod OS, or more specifically about iTunes. |
13:41:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm personally anti-Intel simply out of prejudice toward the name Conroe. |
13:41:38 | Cassandra | Many iPod users won't make the switch to Rockbox because they're wedded to iTunes dynamic playlists. |
13:41:43 | Mikachu | actually that's the podcast feature, but i put my audiobooks there |
13:42:03 | Mikachu | that's put in past tense, damn you english |
13:42:50 | Cassandra | And as far as chrome goes, the iPod OS looks way slicker than Rockbox. |
13:43:08 | preglow | no shit |
13:43:16 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: as i said, your loss |
13:43:17 | Cassandra | Of course some of the custom WPS screens make iPod look dull. |
13:43:18 | Mikachu | i'm not sure i like sliding screens that don't slide as soon as you've pressed play |
13:43:26 | markun | dongs: do you know if there are a lot of Toshiba Gigabeat users in Japan? |
13:43:41 | dongs | not sure. i havent even seen it on sale but i didnt really look. |
13:44:02 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Cleartype or ATM for Rockbox. That'd be nice. |
13:44:13 | dongs | fuzzy fonts = nice? |
13:44:14 | Mikachu | that would require alpha blended drawing |
13:44:20 | dwihno | Yay! Someone suggesting antialiased fonts! |
13:44:30 | dwihno | \o/ Cassandra \o/ |
13:44:32 | Mikachu | you can get 3x the horizontal resolution with antialiasing on lcd screens |
13:44:38 | Mikachu | i think |
13:44:52 | preglow | Cassandra: amiconn will skin you once he reads this |
13:44:53 | Cassandra | dwihno, I suspect it'd have a large overhead, unfortunately. |
13:45:08 | Cassandra | Mikachu, yeah, I remember seeing that article. |
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13:45:27 | Mikachu | i've never looked at an actual lcd screen with proper subpixel aa though |
13:45:29 | Cassandra | preglow, amiconn always hates anything I suggest to improve the UI. ;) |
13:45:36 | dwihno | Cassandra: Sounds reasonable... Perhaps some flashy caching might reduce the overhead |
13:45:42 | Zagor | dongs: if yonan is superior, why does amd x2 beat it on half of these performance tests? http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=4 |
13:45:55 | dwihno | Merom! |
13:45:57 | dwihno | Conroe! |
13:45:57 | Cassandra | If it were up to him, I'm sure Rockbox'd run 80x25 VGA text. :) |
13:46:00 | preglow | Zagor: through black magic and bribes |
13:46:12 | Zagor | preglow: ah, I should have guessed |
13:46:23 | preglow | Cassandra: no, that would be if it was up to me |
13:46:26 | B4gder | now don't come bringing those darned facts |
13:46:31 | B4gder | it spoils a good argument |
13:46:34 | preglow | i want a good old fashioned ansi interface |
13:47:00 | * | Cassandra notes that the Jackash font has all the old DOS box graphics chars in it. |
13:47:05 | Mikachu | preglow: try ipl |
13:47:21 | Cassandra | (I designed it as a Linux console font back in the mists of time.) |
13:47:44 | petur | Cassandra: new way to create the boxes wps :) |
13:47:59 | Cassandra | For some reason it hasn't translated to unicode well, which I can't understand since I went through it putting all the correct unicode codes in. |
13:48:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw a WPS somewhere that used all those characters to create the "graphics" and actually quite liked it. |
13:48:31 | Cassandra | petur, I was originally thinking of doing that, but by the time I could get jackash ported, there wasn't really a need any more. |
13:48:49 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, did you? Can you remember where? |
13:51:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: I honestly cannot. I want to think it was posted in our forums. It caught my attention because I saw a screenshot that looked like a graphical WPS, but only a .wps file was linked. |
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13:52:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: There's one that does it somewhat in the Ipod Mini gallery, but it's not the one I'm remembering |
13:52:21 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/BK-PMATR.png <- what i want my rockbox to look like |
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13:53:25 | Cassandra | preglow: You're weird. |
13:53:40 | Cassandra | And you smell funny. |
13:54:07 | preglow | accurate description thus far |
13:55:04 | preglow | i'm most certainly going to make wps like that some time |
13:55:24 | dongs | that would acutally be awesome |
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13:55:30 | dongs | just write a ansi console driver. |
13:55:37 | dongs | and all WPSs are in text mode. |
13:55:41 | * | Cassandra boggles at the WPS gallery. |
13:55:42 | dongs | quick, start a bug on this. |
13:55:46 | preglow | well, they pretty much are right now |
13:56:01 | dongs | i dont think you can do per-letter coloring now though |
13:56:04 | preglow | just needs some wps patches and it'll work |
13:56:08 | Cassandra | I mean I thought the people who wanted Rockbox to look like Winamp were nuts |
13:56:09 | B4gder | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
13:56:11 | preglow | yeah, you need per-letter colouring |
13:56:18 | Cassandra | but .... Media Player Classic?# |
13:56:23 | B4gder | there's fonts there now |
13:56:34 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/PRM-HVA.png |
13:56:38 | preglow | god, i want to make wpses now |
13:57:02 | dongs | huhuhu |
13:58:12 | preglow | wasn't there a page that displayed all fonts? |
13:58:28 | B4gder | yes there is |
13:58:32 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/ |
13:58:33 | preglow | or can anyone recommend me a program that lets me view these bastards on my pc? |
13:58:45 | B4gder | pretty old one |
13:59:23 | Cassandra | B4gder, that page is quite out of date. |
13:59:29 | B4gder | yes indeed |
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14:00:24 | Cassandra | alt8x8 is an old PC console font too, I see. |
14:00:39 | adam_ | where is a list of supported devices for rockbox? |
14:01:18 | preglow | omfg, alt8x8 will do nicely |
14:01:18 | B4gder | on the front page |
14:01:58 | Cassandra | preglow, I believe that like jackash it's modified to be proportional. |
14:02:23 | adam_ | so nothing for creative zen |
14:02:39 | Cassandra | Nope. Feel free to port it. |
14:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: It looks fixed on the site. |
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14:03:11 | B4gder | now the daily builds table includes a daily font package |
14:03:15 | adam_ | rockbox, more like cockbox rite? |
14:03:31 | dongs | hy abortion |
14:03:35 | Cassandra | Adam - are you related to dongs by any chance? |
14:03:39 | B4gder | adam_: correct, no one has started anything on a zen |
14:03:45 | preglow | argh, proportional won't do |
14:03:49 | adam_ | i didnt think so |
14:03:55 | adam_ | hi dongs |
14:03:58 | dongs | lol |
14:04:08 | B4gder | the zen is dm230 based though |
14:04:12 | Cassandra | Possibly by a bond of universal brotherhood then, or something. |
14:04:16 | B4gder | work on that would open lots of more ports |
14:04:42 | B4gder | s/dm230/dm320 |
14:04:48 | preglow | why is everyone going dm320? dirt cheap or something? |
14:04:53 | B4gder | yes |
14:04:58 | markun | adam_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
14:05:07 | Cassandra | I think it's so sweet that Rockbox is getting popular enough to have trolls. |
14:05:09 | B4gder | I think its a low price tag for lots performance |
14:05:42 | B4gder | preglow: accordin to Neuros they found no alternative that could compete |
14:06:04 | B4gder | or at least I interpreted it that way |
14:06:04 | preglow | touch luck it's got no specs, then |
14:06:06 | preglow | tough too |
14:06:11 | adam_ | hey, what about a replacement thing for the sony walkman phone walkman program? |
14:06:42 | B4gder | adam_: feel free to start all those ports |
14:06:45 | markun | adam_: any idea what kind of hardware is in there? |
14:06:46 | Cassandra | adam_, there's a problem with phone based software. |
14:06:59 | B4gder | markun: those phones are often arm based |
14:07:01 | adam_ | i never feel anything other than free to do anything |
14:07:07 | adam_ | but thanks for the encouragement |
14:07:23 | adam_ | i have the w810i |
14:07:32 | Cassandra | Most carriers insist on any phone software that runs on their network being authorised. |
14:07:34 | adam_ | the software is pretty good |
14:07:50 | Cassandra | To the extent that they will block phones with unauthorised software. |
14:07:55 | adam_ | i recommend you discontinue all work on rockbox and buy a sony ericsson w810i with a large memory card |
14:07:58 | amiconn | Cassandra: I'd say forget about font antialiasing. Font drawing is already dead slow on colour targets |
14:08:06 | Cassandra | This is mostly because the mobile phone infrastructure is a bit shit. |
14:08:18 | adam_ | Cassandra the programs arent running on their network |
14:08:20 | B4gder | adam_: how do you insert the harddrive in the memory card slot? ;-) |
14:08:22 | adam_ | they are running on the phones |
14:08:36 | Cassandra | I'm hoping to see mobile services migrate to a solution based upon wireless POPs and VoIP> |
14:08:36 | petur | adam_: can you record lossless (and good quality sound) with that phone? |
14:08:42 | adam_ | b4gder you buy a sony(tm) memory card |
14:08:50 | Cassandra | Then we can look at running Rockbox on phones. |
14:08:51 | B4gder | adam_: they fit harddrives? wow |
14:08:54 | adam_ | petur: it's a phone, i'd hope the microphone is good enough for that |
14:09:00 | Cassandra | But it's not likely to happen before then. |
14:09:03 | * | amiconn would rather want another improvement that was discussed for quite some time: combined wps graphics |
14:09:19 | dongs | japs have a *new* phone with 4gb micro-hdd in it. the most retarded business decision ever. |
14:09:21 | Cassandra | Really I just want someone to write a plugin called PhoneBox. |
14:09:23 | * | amiconn doesn't want all the wasted cluster slack and dead slow wps loading |
14:09:28 | preglow | indeed, but not like a huge bitmap blob |
14:09:31 | dongs | i mean, when 4gb of flash costs less than a 4gb hdd, waht the fuck were they thinking |
14:09:33 | preglow | find a nice solution first ;) |
14:09:35 | petur | adam_: i mean quality phone, not something designed for 200-3000Hz |
14:09:45 | markun | dongs: yes, sounds crazy |
14:09:57 | Cassandra | I believe we decided to stick them in tar files for 3.1 |
14:10:01 | dongs | http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/19/toshibas-w41t-4gb-music-phone-for-japans-au/ < dumb. |
14:10:11 | amiconn | Even if I would find a graphical wps that I like (maybe icatcher, after some tweakling) I wouldn't want to use it right now |
14:10:11 | markun | dongs: and probably uses a lot more power, is damaged easilly when dropped.. |
14:10:21 | amiconn | Loading a graphical wps takes _ages_ |
14:10:33 | preglow | not on nano |
14:10:33 | preglow | :) |
14:10:40 | dongs | its also heavy and ugly as fuck |
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14:11:09 | dongs | that puke green color looks even worse in real as opposed to photo |
14:11:46 | adam_ | dongs: it looks like it could be a transformer from the old cartoon series |
14:12:05 | amiconn | I still like the single bitmap idea more than tar file |
14:12:24 | adam_ | i could get a 2gb card for my phone for £106 |
14:12:27 | adam_ | not too bad |
14:12:50 | B4gder | and I like the tar idea more than the single bitmap ;-) |
14:13:09 | markun | dongs: maybe they explain it here: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/product/etsg/cmt/au/w41t/w41t_01_nf.htm |
14:13:43 | dongs | theres nothing interesting on that page |
14:13:45 | dongs | other than usual sales shit |
14:14:06 | dongs | lol, you can save up to half a gig of PC data to it |
14:14:11 | dongs | i wonder why they hard limited it like that |
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14:14:26 | amiconn | markun: The ipod retailos is crap by definition, as it's tied to crappy pc software |
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14:14:53 | Mikachu | dongs: i like how half of the text on that top graphic is molested english |
14:15:02 | preglow | i like tar idea better than a single bitmap |
14:15:09 | preglow | on the grounds of it not being a pain in the ass for wps developers |
14:15:24 | dongs | that hasnt stopped thousands of winamp skins |
14:15:24 | Cassandra | I think most of us are happier with tar. |
14:15:31 | dongs | i think you underestimate the target audience. |
14:15:47 | preglow | the wps developers i spoke to seemed to agree |
14:15:52 | * | petur is with amiconn |
14:16:12 | Mikachu | skinners will overcome any obstacle |
14:16:24 | Mikachu | they even skinned winamp before winamp had skinning support |
14:16:44 | dongs | why the fuck ipod insists i have to specify "artist" name in the list |
14:16:45 | dongs | damn |
14:16:52 | petur | they do the same with original DAP firmwares :) |
14:16:58 | Mikachu | but i also like tar better than single bitmap |
14:17:02 | preglow | all related bitmaps should be put in one bitmap, though |
14:17:07 | dongs | speaking of tar |
14:17:07 | preglow | if they aren't already |
14:17:15 | JdGordon | do both together... piss everyone off :D |
14:17:17 | Mikachu | petur: i even found a program to change the ascii font on my nvidia card |
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14:17:36 | preglow | why'd you want to replace that beautiful font? |
14:17:46 | Mikachu | yeah i don't know |
14:17:48 | dongs | all of au/KDDI newer phones that download shit use some variation of tar format for its multimedia data. songs with album art/lyrics etc come in a tar, as well as syncronized multimedia packages and shit like that. |
14:17:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Play/Pause/Stop icons, for example, being a single fixed-width bitmap? |
14:17:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or fixed height |
14:17:55 | Mikachu | i used it to remove the idiotic 2 second delay at bootup though |
14:18:43 | tucoz | markun, how's the gigabeat port progressing? |
14:19:16 | markun | tucoz: we're still figuring out how all the hardware is connected by writing little test apps |
14:19:34 | markun | tucoz: logs of our adventures: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ |
14:19:37 | tucoz | so you execute code on it? In linux? |
14:19:43 | tucoz | ah. cool |
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14:19:47 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah |
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14:19:51 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: and the codec bitmaps, etc |
14:19:58 | markun | yes, we have a gigabeat connected to a computer with a USB NIC |
14:20:01 | zigford | biscuit |
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14:20:49 | zigford | chocolate biscuit |
14:20:54 | dj-fu | gigabeat yessa |
14:20:57 | dongs | Mikachu: what 2 seconds delay |
14:21:10 | tucoz | you work collaboratively on one gigabeat? |
14:21:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: That's my preference too honestly. |
14:21:32 | Mikachu | dongs: the one while showing "this is an nvidia 6200 etc we rule you suck" before the mb bios is reached |
14:21:44 | markun | tucoz: well, shonky and I write the code and gtkspert looks at his gigabeat to see if anything happens :) |
14:21:51 | dongs | oic |
14:21:52 | tucoz | hehe. cool |
14:21:59 | dongs | oh that gigabeat. |
14:22:03 | dongs | yea i think i saw this shit on sale |
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14:22:06 | dongs | it looked megadum |
14:22:24 | B4gder | you have such a nice way with words dongs |
14:22:31 | markun | dongs: sure |
14:22:53 | markun | dongs: but with rockbox it will be a lot better |
14:22:57 | dongs | lol @ 300 bucks for a music player that will die after you drop it once |
14:23:22 | markun | dongs: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=D79FD1AF-3048-2906-EAEF0FF393B4F318 |
14:23:36 | petur | learn to be a bit more carefull with your stuff! |
14:23:37 | markun | he dropped it once and it didn't die :) |
14:23:38 | * | tucoz notices that the #gigabeat logs are a quicker read than #rockbox |
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14:25:42 | zigford | I like the bit about putting it into a small pocket |
14:26:01 | markun | dongs: what made you think they break faster than other 300 buck players? |
14:26:53 | dongs | i would never waste 300 on a music player |
14:26:59 | dongs | so thats not a concern for me |
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14:27:34 | markun | dongs: compared to a free ipod the gigabeat is crap of course :) |
14:28:00 | dongs | agreed |
14:28:11 | dongs | but its also crap because i would have absolutely no use for it |
14:28:21 | dongs | especialy the space |
14:28:40 | dongs | its too slow to be used for storage, and if i wanted to play video on a 2.4" qvga i can already do that on my phone |
14:28:42 | tucoz | so the Koreans are interested in the Gigabeat as well. |
14:28:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like how your definition of "Crap" seems to simply be "Things you don't like." |
14:28:44 | markun | Forgot you have a nano |
14:28:55 | dongs | yes. |
14:29:00 | dongs | do oyu ahve a problem with that? |
14:29:03 | markun | tucoz: which koreans? |
14:29:10 | tucoz | Jungtil234 |
14:29:23 | Mikachu | that is a 1 |
14:29:25 | markun | tucoz: He has 2 irivers already :) |
14:29:35 | tucoz | just saw his nick in the gigabeat logs |
14:29:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Generally speaking, when someone calls an object crap it implies that the object itself is flawed, rather than it simply being useless to them. |
14:29:58 | Genre9mp3 | markun: I saw some pics of the Gigabeat, As I understanded from the pics, in the retail OS you can use the screen both vertical and horizontal, right? |
14:30:11 | dongs | probably |
14:30:13 | markun | Genre9mp3: yes, that's right |
14:30:40 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, you made the icatcher wps right? |
14:30:42 | Genre9mp3 | It seems a cool player to me...I don't like the cross very much, though |
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14:30:54 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: yes |
14:31:09 | tucoz | I like it. Nice work |
14:31:15 | Gandalf21 | where i can download arm-elf-gcc for linux? i use ubuntu |
14:31:22 | dongs | you dont |
14:31:25 | dongs | you read the wiki how to build it |
14:31:26 | dongs | and do it |
14:31:30 | Genre9mp3 | tucoz: Thank you very much...glad you like it |
14:31:46 | dongs | Gandalf21: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
14:31:49 | Gandalf21 | dongs...are u tolking to me? |
14:31:54 | dongs | yes |
14:32:08 | Cassandra | Ooh, cool. KarmaEQ will allow me to work out the correct EQ settings for flat response for my headphones. |
14:32:20 | Cassandra | All I need is the actual frequency response data. |
14:32:37 | tucoz | Cassandra, have you considered including Genre9mp3's wps in CVS? |
14:33:00 | Gandalf21 | ok |
14:33:23 | Cassandra | tucoz: We've not had any submissions for a while, I think. |
14:33:35 | tucoz | what do you mean? |
14:33:42 | dongs | its ok but i dont like that icatcher breaks with my font. |
14:33:45 | dongs | and look all purple. |
14:33:48 | Cassandra | tucoz: I'd like to see more WPSes that work at more than one resolution, myself. |
14:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: They're supposed to submit them to the patch tracker if they want inclusion. |
14:34:06 | Cassandra | tucoz, for copyright reasons, we can't just put any wps we'd like into Rockbox. |
14:34:07 | tucoz | Me too. And that is ported to all the wps targets. |
14:34:11 | petur | but it is |
14:34:12 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5297 |
14:34:15 | B4gder | icatcher is submitted |
14:34:17 | tucoz | I see. |
14:34:27 | Moos | and for all platforms |
14:34:32 | Cassandra | B4gder, ah, OK. |
14:34:49 | Cassandra | Let me commit my changes to the wps building and then I'll have a look at it. |
14:35:13 | Gandalf21 | dongs can u help me? |
14:35:31 | tucoz | Goodie. As I've said before, that is in my opinion a candidate as a default theme |
14:35:40 | B4gder | I agree |
14:35:42 | dongs | Gandalf21: with? |
14:35:44 | markun | me too |
14:35:46 | dongs | the instructions are as clear as it gets |
14:35:52 | dongs | you download 2 files, and type in like 3 commands |
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14:36:07 | tucoz | ...If we use the rockbox blue theme for the colour targets |
14:36:09 | dongs | but you can ask somethign specific. |
14:36:09 | Gandalf21 | i have binutils and gcc already installed |
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14:36:27 | dongs | not for arm-elf OBVIOUSLY |
14:36:28 | Genre9mp3 | Wow...thank all for this... :) |
14:36:36 | dongs | which is what that document talks about building |
14:36:42 | theli_ua | cool.. i see terminus fonts are submitted :) ... B4gder , thanx :) |
14:36:46 | markun | Genre9mp3: he's always this friendly |
14:37:00 | Gandalf21 | but i have to uninstall gcc and binutils i have installed ? |
14:37:03 | dongs | no |
14:37:17 | dongs | you build arm-elf versions using the ones you have installed. duh. |
14:37:24 | Cassandra | Hmm - it requires the album art patch. |
14:37:24 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Have you started work on a spectrum emulator port, or are you just thinking about it? |
14:37:31 | tucoz | Row 3, Column 2 : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11590 |
14:37:42 | markun | Gandalf21: just try it first. If it fails you can always ask some more. |
14:37:44 | preglow | linuxstb: did you try the vorbis patch for the ifp port? |
14:37:45 | dj-fu | anything interesting happening in CVS atm? |
14:37:46 | theli_ua | linuxstb almost done |
14:37:50 | dj-fu | haven't pu a daily build on for a few weeks |
14:37:53 | Moos | Genre9mp3: it seems your wps made unanimity :) |
14:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wow. I thought *I* was the gruff, belligerent support guy. |
14:38:01 | Gandalf21 | it fails! |
14:38:15 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I haven't been able to do anything Rockbox related recently. |
14:38:19 | theli_ua | B4gder, there was no need in 12b font cause 6x12 normal and bold are identical |
14:38:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Vorbis patch iFP port? |
14:38:25 | preglow | i'll try it, then |
14:38:27 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: If you are talking about iCatcher, there is a default version in the tracker |
14:38:28 | B4gder | theli_ua: oh |
14:38:32 | dj-fu | Paul_The_Nerd, you've got gruff, beligerent support guy confused with irc troll |
14:38:35 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
14:38:51 | Genre9mp3 | ...and it is for all targets |
14:38:58 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: The iFP porter posted some small ARM optimisations to Tremor and libmad on his website. |
14:39:23 | B4gder | theli_ua: thanks, removing the bold one again |
14:39:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Aaah. I checked the wiki like, a day or two ago, but don't ever go to his site. |
14:40:05 | theli_ua | linuxstb, the emulator is just ported spectemu... it lacks sound and user input .. :) |
14:40:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: Yeah, I tend to avoid the words "obviously" and "duh" and merely imply them. ;-) |
14:40:13 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I'll be happy to have a look at it, and (post-3.0) help optimise it. Which target are you working on? |
14:40:16 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd == Llorean? |
14:40:19 | dongs | anyone know the reason ipod wants mp3s in those random dirs inside iPod_Control? is it because they use fat and no long filenames? or what |
14:40:36 | dongs | i tried making iTunesDB with a filename with a "'" in it and it didnt want to read it |
14:40:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Yessir |
14:40:37 | B4gder | tucoz: bingo! |
14:40:50 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, quite impressive work in the forums there |
14:40:56 | Genre9mp3 | Moos: It seems that dongs breaks this unanimity! :) |
14:41:04 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i have iPod mini and for now i test emulator on it and sim for ipod mini and video (big screen) :) |
14:41:07 | dj-fu | dongs, It's so it's a pain in the ass, and very much like the rest of mac. pain in the ass. |
14:41:16 | Moos | Genre9mp3: haha :D |
14:41:16 | dongs | heh |
14:41:22 | dongs | well, i'd liek a more technical answer. |
14:41:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Arbitrary choice on Apple's hand, as far as anyone can tell. |
14:41:31 | dj-fu | read manpage for libtunesdb? |
14:41:33 | preglow | ouchouchouch |
14:41:37 | preglow | that patch did not go well with gcc here |
14:41:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: They recently (newest versions) made it even more restrictive. |
14:41:50 | PaulJam | Cassandra: if you'r looking for frequency response data of your headphones you might find this site useful: http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph/ |
14:42:00 | tucoz | hehe, Hero Member :) |
14:42:07 | linuxstb | theli_ua: What's the resolution of the spectrum's screen? Also, how fast is the emulation at the moment? |
14:42:19 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: i am wondering that. because like I said, on my shuffle iwas able to write iTunesDB with :rootdir:file.mp3 and it would pick it up. but on the nano which I upgraded with latest firmware, its refusing to play anything unless its in :iPod_Control:Music: |
14:42:38 | Cassandra | Thanks Paul. It has my headphones, but still only in graph form. Pfeh. |
14:42:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: As I said, the newest versions are more restrictive. That's the new restriction. ;-) |
14:42:46 | Cassandra | I need *numbers* dammit! |
14:42:50 | theli_ua | linuxstb, 256x192 .. i can make a build for your target and mail you with a demo snapshot so you can look at it |
14:42:52 | dongs | shitty. |
14:43:10 | dongs | i wonder why they're bothering |
14:43:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: Spectrum is 256x192, plus solid border colour around that |
14:43:28 | theli_ua | linuxstb, just want to clear and make it usable before submitting to tracker |
14:43:32 | Cassandra | dongs, in order to annoy me, I suspect. |
14:43:36 | * | amiconn is too slow |
14:43:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Obfuscating the filenames makes it more difficult for the absolutely lay user to share his music with others by way of the ipod. |
14:43:56 | linuxstb | theli_ua: That's OK - I'll wait for you to publish your patch. Seems perfect for the 5g, but annoyingly just a little too bit for the 220x176 displays... |
14:43:57 | JdGordon | is it safe to do %0 ? |
14:44:08 | linuxstb | s/bit/big/ |
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14:45:20 | tucoz | So in reality, there is no problem sharing music on the ipods as long as the files are tagged properly, and are renamed useing the tags? |
14:45:28 | preglow | mmmm, distortion |
14:45:29 | Genre9mp3 | BTW..I was wondering, how the compiler chooses the WPSes for each target, anyone know? |
14:45:38 | dongs | tucoz: yea |
14:45:40 | Cassandra | BTW yes, I do. |
14:45:41 | dongs | tucoz: but tagging fucking sucks |
14:45:46 | dongs | i just want my shit in dir/track or somethign |
14:46:10 | linuxstb | dongs: Then you simply can't use Apple's firmware. |
14:46:13 | Cassandra | Currently it (not a compiler but a shell script, actually) picks the ones that are of lower or equal resolution,. |
14:46:27 | Cassandra | The new version will pick only those of the same resolution. |
14:46:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: As long as the files aren't DRMed, yeah, you can run a mass rename from tag after copying them back to the computer and they'll be fine. |
14:46:36 | Genre9mp3 | The resolution is on the name? |
14:46:42 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, I see. |
14:46:46 | Cassandra | It is in the new version. |
14:46:46 | Genre9mp3 | eg. boxes220x176c? |
14:46:56 | Cassandra | It used to be stored in a seperate file. |
14:46:57 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: There is a "WPSLIST" file which is used for that. |
14:47:27 | tucoz | in the wps folder in the source tree |
14:47:31 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...so there is no need to "name" the files like that, right? |
14:47:39 | linuxstb | No - that's just a convention. |
14:47:47 | Cassandra | Not until I commit the new patch, no. |
14:47:55 | linuxstb | Ah... |
14:47:55 | Cassandra | Although the convention is changing slightly. |
14:48:05 | amiconn | Cassandra: You need to differentiate between graphical wps'es which most often only work for one specific resolution, and generic wps'es which will work for a range of resolutions |
14:48:07 | preglow | tomal's patch cuts from 50% to 28% boost on a 162kbps ogg file, but there's some distortion now |
14:48:10 | Cassandra | wps-widthxheightxdepth |
14:48:12 | Genre9mp3 | Why not organize the WPS in subdirs for each resolution? |
14:48:34 | Cassandra | amiconn, text wpses are treated differently. |
14:48:58 | linuxstb | Another minor issue is date/time tags, and tags for remote hold - those are target, not LCD size/depth dependent.... |
14:49:12 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, because it would result in unnecessary duplication of bmp files. |
14:49:16 | preglow | just need to find the bug, and this is definitely commit material |
14:49:31 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I consider the system to be a work in progress. |
14:49:55 | Cassandra | Not that we have any text wpses in CVS at the moment, which I think is a shame. |
14:49:57 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: This is already done...for wpses for all targets...or am I wrong? |
14:50:14 | Genre9mp3 | everyone has its own folder |
14:50:49 | Moos | preglow: any luck with musepack? |
14:51:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes. An obvious example is archos recorder vs. archos Ondio. Recorder has an RTC, Ondio does not |
14:51:20 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, it is yes, but the new patch fixes this. |
14:51:31 | * | Cassandra should get off my arse and do final testing so I can commit it. |
14:51:45 | preglow | Moos: no, i'm doing other stuff in the meantime, i don't feel like fixing snowgoon's patch right now |
14:51:58 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: How the new patch do that? |
14:52:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: I was thinking of iPod 4G and H1x0... |
14:52:48 | Moos | preglow: the patch I'm using made lot of performance gain plus seeking, isn't it suffisent for initial commit? |
14:52:50 | amiconn | Yes, same thing |
14:52:50 | Genre9mp3 | But anyway, I think that the naming is a bit ugly for the user... |
14:52:54 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, by storing all the bmps relating to a particular WPS for all resolutions in the same folder. |
14:53:22 | preglow | Moos: seeking is broken |
14:53:23 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, this is why the new system renames it to just the name of the wps. |
14:53:27 | preglow | Moos: trying seeking backwards, for instance |
14:53:42 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra: Then, that's cool |
14:54:27 | Moos | preglow: I'm using the version patch updated before the last one, and definitively seeking here, and significatively cut down boost ratio |
14:54:46 | Moos | preglow: is the seeking broken in your last patch? |
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14:54:56 | Genre9mp3 | The cfg files for the wps (themes) are generated by the compiler? |
14:55:55 | Moos | preglow: so *far* better than CVS .mpc version anyway |
14:57:07 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, by the same script, yes. |
14:57:28 | preglow | Moos: track just skips here if i try to seek backwards |
14:57:38 | preglow | also, i don't think the current seek table implementation will work for long mpcs |
14:57:42 | Moos | oh? |
14:57:59 | Moos | did you radicaly change things in last patch version? |
14:58:04 | preglow | looks like it assumes that the sons always fits in the buffer |
14:58:07 | * | JdGordon has insert directory tree in random order working.. for real this time :D |
14:58:24 | preglow | no, i didn't change much at all, i just removed all the tabs and merged it with my gapless stuff |
14:58:31 | Moos | ok |
14:58:57 | Moos | do you think we can hope for 3.0? :) |
14:59:12 | preglow | depends |
14:59:27 | preglow | looks to me like we'll be extending until late may |
14:59:28 | preglow | so perhaps |
14:59:29 | Moos | on you? :P |
14:59:41 | Moos | wee then :) |
14:59:42 | preglow | haha, i don't think anyone else will do it, at least |
14:59:48 | Moos | indeed |
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15:01:11 | tucoz | preglow: And if marsdaddy is pleased with his wma codec before the end of may, will you be able to keep your optimizing fingers of that? |
15:01:18 | Moos | personally I can so far live with the patch I'm using, but I thought more for people doesn't using patches and having the cvs mpc version with a lot of cpu activity + no seeking at all |
15:01:21 | tucoz | *off of |
15:01:48 | preglow | tucoz: i don't think it probable that'll happen |
15:01:55 | preglow | in any case i almost certainly won't have time |
15:03:35 | preglow | besides, a new codec almost certainly is a feature |
15:03:45 | preglow | so i think it should be kept out of a stable release |
15:03:57 | tucoz | that is true |
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15:21:09 | tempi | amiconn, do you have a second? or anyone else who understands how backlight dimming on ipods work? i try to fix a bug in iPodLoader2... |
15:23:18 | dongs | im pulling this out of my ass but i think they have a thread that starts and changes brightness. |
15:23:25 | tempi | the problem is that recent changes to loader2.4 (in beta) are having an effect on the apple firmware when loaded: the backlight turn on/off without the dimming effect any more. this only happens on 4G and Photo models, but not on 5G (Video) models. I like to understand how the fading works so i can underdtand the problem |
15:23:27 | dongs | or at least i remember seing somethign to that effect |
15:25:02 | Gandalf21 | have i to use the patch after compiling rockbox or first? |
15:25:05 | tempi | i like to understand how the dimming is achieved. is it done by quickly toggling the light on/off or is there a D/A value that i changed? |
15:25:30 | dongs | tempi: if you look at backlight.c in firmware dir |
15:25:32 | dongs | it depends on the model |
15:25:33 | preglow | ipods have native dimming |
15:25:33 | tempi | .. that gets changed, i mean |
15:25:37 | preglow | but we use pwm dimming |
15:26:12 | preglow | 4g and photo models use native dimming, afaik |
15:26:13 | tempi | hmm, so it could be anything... darn |
15:26:17 | dongs | preglow: correct |
15:26:17 | preglow | so that's probably your problem |
15:26:36 | tempi | aha, then it could be a register i may have "damaged" in loader2 |
15:27:00 | tempi | do you know if 5Gs use a diffrerent dimming method? |
15:27:02 | dongs | outl(inl(0x70000084) & ~0x2000000, 0x70000084); |
15:27:02 | dongs | outl(0x80000000, 0x7000a010); |
15:27:08 | dongs | tempi: this is 4g fade out |
15:27:17 | dongs | nano uses a single outl |
15:27:19 | dongs | to turn off. |
15:27:22 | linuxstb | tempi: The 5g has the same backlight code as the Nano - which is different to the 4g/Photo |
15:27:22 | dongs | (is that 5g?) |
15:27:29 | tempi | you mean, you just flip one switch and it does the dimming on its own? |
15:27:39 | dongs | yes |
15:27:43 | dongs | on 4g/photo |
15:27:50 | preglow | i think all ipods can do it, we just don't know how |
15:28:01 | tempi | yes, the issue is only on 4g/photo, not on 5g(video) |
15:28:13 | dongs | maybe that command is wrong then |
15:28:18 | tempi | something in loader causes the 4g/photo dimming to not work any more. |
15:28:24 | dongs | nice |
15:28:31 | tempi | i wonder if there's another setting to make the dimming active (versus quick on/off) |
15:28:34 | dongs | in rockbox? or anywhere |
15:29:20 | tempi | in general. i need to find the cause for the dimming to get turned into a quick on/off |
15:29:43 | dongs | the comments in backlight.c arent really helping. |
15:29:47 | * | amiconn doesn't care about dimming in retailos, he even removed retailos from the firmware partition :) |
15:29:59 | tempi | if the hardware can do the dimming, then i imagine that the hardware can also be told to not slowly dim but turn on/off immediately, and maybe loader2 sets this mode by accident |
15:29:59 | dongs | they're jsut writing random numbers to random io ports. |
15:30:32 | JdGordon | whats 16K in hex? |
15:30:36 | amiconn | Perhaps setting the port bit to high-z causes the hardware dimming |
15:30:38 | tempi | 0x4000 |
15:30:42 | JdGordon | ta |
15:30:51 | preglow | tempi: that's 16384 |
15:30:56 | dongs | tempi: on 4G, port 0x70000084 seems to control dimming according to sores. are you guys poking anything random in that area? |
15:31:22 | tempi | preglow, isn't 16384 = 16K? |
15:31:31 | JdGordon | preglow: thats what i actually meant |
15:31:41 | tempi | dongs, will check |
15:31:43 | preglow | tempi: 16k is 16000, if you ask me, heh |
15:31:54 | dongs | preglow: do you sell hard drives? |
15:32:00 | B4gder | hahaha |
15:32:02 | dongs | :D |
15:32:03 | preglow | dongs: yes |
15:32:07 | dongs | i can tell |
15:32:12 | preglow | lots of them |
15:32:18 | preglow | no, but k means 'kilo', you see |
15:32:21 | preglow | guess what kilo means |
15:32:30 | dongs | he did use a capital K |
15:32:32 | dongs | not that it matters |
15:32:39 | preglow | shoulda been Ki! |
15:32:42 | tempi | preglow, you nitpick. you are german, aren't you? |
15:32:47 | linuxstb | 1 kilo = 2.2lbs |
15:32:51 | preglow | tempi: i can pretend i am |
15:32:51 | tempi | lol |
15:33:05 | tempi | 1 kilo = 500g |
15:33:15 | tempi | hehe |
15:33:20 | B4gder | how many bytes is there in 2.2lbsbytes? |
15:33:49 | daurn|afk | ??? |
15:33:51 | daurn|afk | wtf |
15:33:53 | tempi | hmm, good question, and it probably varies depending on the CPU - little or big endian mode |
15:34:50 | daurn|afk | B4gder: 1024 |
15:34:51 | daurn|afk | :P |
15:35:02 | dongs | that would be 0.1247379 kg / bit. |
15:35:17 | daurn|afk | dongs: wtf???? |
15:35:32 | dongs | duno, they're asking. |
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15:35:49 | daurn|afk | 2.2lbsbytes = 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes = 8192 bits |
15:36:07 | JdGordon | 2.2lbs/kg is there? |
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15:37:04 | Mikachu | K never means anything as a prefix... it's k or ki |
15:37:15 | preglow | amen |
15:37:17 | linuxstb | Kelvin? |
15:37:26 | Mikachu | that's not a prefix though |
15:38:13 | daurn|afk | K = kelvin, k = kilo, ki = kilo (si) |
15:38:23 | dongs | if 1kg was 1kilobyte then you'd have 0.056699046 kg/bit. |
15:39:34 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...and I couldn't imagine someone carry a 400GB HDD! lol |
15:40:40 | Mikachu | ki is kibi, not kilo :) |
15:41:02 | Mikachu | kilo = 1000*, kibi = 1024* |
15:41:30 | Cassandra | Hmmm. My H140 has mysteriously run down from full charge. |
15:42:09 | Cassandra | 160GB should be enough to store my entire collection losslessly. |
15:43:29 | Cassandra | Did someone break the button driver recently, or is this unresponsiveness a weird symptom of H140 now battery? |
15:43:58 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Seen this thread for a potential 160GB swcodec port? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978.0 |
15:44:37 | JdGordon | how many directory names could u get into a 16kib string? |
15:45:03 | B4gder | JdGordon: it depends on their lengths |
15:45:10 | linuxstb | :) |
15:45:10 | JdGordon | well duh! :D |
15:45:14 | petur | 64 minimum? |
15:45:18 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I'll believe it when it happens. |
15:45:37 | JdGordon | any1 wanna have a nice guess for a max? |
15:45:42 | Mikachu | JdGordon: 8192 |
15:45:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: It'll mean somewhat more work than just figuring out hardware access |
15:45:54 | Mikachu | JdGordon: if they are all assumed to be two characters long |
15:45:56 | Cassandra | K has always meant 1024 in computing. |
15:46:10 | Cassandra | Whatever hard drive manufacturers would like you to think. |
15:46:16 | JdGordon | Mikachu: na, for sure more than 2 chars long each.. im tihnking min of 8 chars |
15:46:23 | JdGordon | max of 8 i mean |
15:46:27 | tempi | Cassandra, right you are |
15:46:28 | JdGordon | os 2048 |
15:47:02 | Mikachu | it is sort of useless to talk about kilo and mega bytes (as in not 1024 multiples) |
15:47:11 | amiconn | Someone needs to implement lba48 in the ata driver |
15:47:50 | B4gder | amiconn: we could possibly get inspiration from openneo on that part |
15:47:55 | tempi | here's a funny thing: as europeans we learned that "l" means liter. so 1l is one liter. |
15:47:58 | B4gder | they have lba48 support |
15:48:08 | tempi | but for US americans, they need to write: 1L. |
15:48:10 | B4gder | and its based on our code |
15:48:42 | Mikachu | us units are stupid |
15:48:50 | tempi | because their typewriters originally had no "1" - it was the SAME as "l". therefore, they were not able to distinguish between 1l and 11 |
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15:49:16 | petur | 1o1 |
15:49:30 | tempi | (still this font i am now using makes l and 1 look almost identical...) |
15:50:08 | Cassandra | Happens a lot. Distributed Proofreaders even have a font that makes these things look especially different. |
15:55:50 | Cassandra | OK. My current build of Rockbox locks all the keys when the remote is in. It's from a couple of days ago. Anyone know what's up? |
15:56:08 | amiconn | B4gder: I don't think it will be overly complicated to add lba48 support. The good thing about disks >128GB is that they seem to clamp themselves to 128GB as long as they're addressed via lba28 |
15:56:43 | B4gder | I remember reading their patch for it and it looked fairly "simple" |
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15:56:51 | amiconn | One user put a 160GB disk in an archos, and it shows up as a 128GB (real-GB) disk both via USB and in rockbox |
15:57:27 | JdGordon | isnt there a problem where the usb chip can only access 128Gb-1 or something? |
15:57:44 | B4gder | sure |
15:57:59 | B4gder | but we're talking (possible) targets without that limit |
15:58:06 | JdGordon | oh |
15:59:27 | Cassandra | Right. I officially declare this patch ready to commit. |
15:59:27 | linuxstb | Do we know if that Chinese player has a USB bridge capable of lba48? |
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16:00:01 | B4gder | linuxstb: we don't know |
16:00:20 | B4gder | some wording on the telechip page makes it sound as if the telechip handles it |
16:00:27 | B4gder | but I'm certainly not sure |
16:00:52 | B4gder | I mean handles the bridging |
16:01:34 | linuxstb | All I can see is "USB 2.0 Device/Host" (for the tcc761) |
16:02:01 | tempi | BTW, iPodLoader 2.4b5, which I will release in a few minutes, has a Rockbox fix in it: When it defaults to starting Rockbox, it will wait in case the user has engaged the HOLD switch. A user had suggested this. |
16:02:56 | linuxstb | What do you mean by "wait"? What does it wait for? |
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16:03:32 | B4gder | linuxstb: the 72x spec says "IDE Interface for HDD or USB 2.0 device" |
16:03:52 | B4gder | I think that was what I read but now I don't think that is a bridge |
16:05:09 | linuxstb | OK. From my couple of emails with "portable", it seems that their aim is to first port Rockbox to the newer (i.e. currently being manufactured) tcc761 devices, and then maybe try a tcc721 port later. |
16:05:19 | B4gder | aha |
16:05:38 | tempi | it waits for the user to unlock it. It will show a message: "release HOLD to start rockbox". |
16:06:01 | tempi | that way, a user can not accidentally reset his settings (which i was told it would when it starts with HOLD engaged) |
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16:07:20 | theli_ua | linuxstb, http://theli.ho.com.ua/chuckie_nano.png |
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16:08:10 | petur | chuckie? that's lode runner |
16:08:16 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Chuckie Egg is also my favourite memory from those times (and the only game I would play...) |
16:08:23 | linuxstb | petur: No, that's Chuckie Egg... |
16:08:44 | petur | bloody small screen :) |
16:08:49 | theli_ua | hehe |
16:09:05 | linuxstb | Although the Spectrum version is the worse due to the colour clashes. |
16:09:10 | theli_ua | look at this : http://theli.ho.com.ua/chuckie_mini.png |
16:09:12 | theli_ua | :D |
16:09:34 | theli_ua | need some more work on mapping colors :) |
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16:11:38 | theli_ua | linuxstb, just tried chuckie on real iPod mini ... speed is very playable ... just need input supprt for now :) |
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16:14:57 | Cassandra | Hmm. This is going to be one messy commit. |
16:16:00 | * | B4gder dusts off the funny hat in preparation for handing it to Cassandra |
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16:16:23 | B4gder | the "I messed up" sign on the front is a bit tacky by now |
16:16:39 | tempi | So, does the loader2 behaviour with the HOLD lock sound right? |
16:17:02 | petur | I do hope it will time out... |
16:17:14 | tempi | of course not |
16:17:28 | dwihno | include piezo! :D |
16:17:30 | dwihno | free piezo! |
16:17:30 | tempi | well, after a time it should put itself to sleep |
16:17:31 | dwihno | :) |
16:17:57 | petur | else it will be the ultimate battery killer |
16:17:58 | tempi | yes, sleep after long idle wait and piezo are on my list for loader2, if you refer to that :) |
16:18:19 | tempi | is planned for next beta (2.4b6) |
16:18:49 | Cassandra | How'd you delete a directory from a CVS repository? |
16:19:25 | Cassandra | B4gder, what's this viscous liquid on the hat then? |
16:19:26 | B4gder | delete all contents first |
16:19:38 | RedBreva | Is it possible to change the VMWare image to have a 3GB 'drive'? I added KDE to it (I need my Linux to at least look like Windows), and there is now not enough free space to compile all builds... :( I do have access to the Workstation version of VMWare (at work) if that's what is needed, but have never used it, hence the question |
16:19:44 | Cassandra | B4gder, done that. (not commited yet though.) |
16:20:30 | B4gder | oh right, that's all you can do |
16:20:47 | Cassandra | Will it still check out the empty dirs by default? |
16:20:49 | B4gder | when using update -dP cvs will remote empty dirs |
16:20:56 | B4gder | remove |
16:21:03 | Cassandra | OK - cool. |
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16:23:21 | tempi | will leave now, thanks for your help with the backlight dimming. i might have found the problem (not sure, testing will tell) |
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16:28:18 | Cassandra | wow, that's a lot of new fonts. |
16:33:39 | B4gder | wow, that's a lot of wps/.#* files ;-) |
16:34:04 | B4gder | four at least |
16:34:16 | Mikachu | oops |
16:39:36 | * | JdGordon gives up.. gnite al |
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16:41:36 | * | Cassandra sends the boys round to hurt bagder. |
16:43:33 | * | B4gder runs |
16:44:14 | Cassandra | Just be astounded by the awesomeness that is my kludgy wps rewrite, and I'll forgive you. |
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16:44:33 | B4gder | certainly a massive commit |
16:45:12 | Cassandra | Bigger than it actually is because of all the file re-arranging. |
16:45:29 | * | Cassandra swears. I bet I added lots of files as non-binary again. |
16:45:34 | Cassandra | bmp files that is. |
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16:46:38 | preglow | cvs doesn't autodetect them? |
16:46:55 | Cassandra | cvs is, to coin a phrase, a bit poo on wheels. |
16:46:59 | Mikachu | didn't you hear? cvs sucks |
16:47:07 | preglow | marvelous! |
16:47:20 | * | preglow curses bagder for leaving before he could whisper "svn!!!" |
16:57:39 | klrspz | hoorah for svn! |
16:57:56 | markun | What about git? |
17:00 |
17:01:35 | preglow | never used/tried/looked at git |
17:01:43 | markun | me neither |
17:01:43 | preglow | and honestly, i think svn serves us just fine |
17:01:48 | preglow | will serve us, that is |
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17:04:03 | tempi | actually, i need one more time your help: where do i find the code that would tell the iPod's IDE drive to spin down? |
17:04:53 | whatboutbob | preglow: i gave spdif recording a good challenge tonight...2 hours into a Ben Harper gig the damn battery in my ADC started to die a slow painful death. |
17:05:28 | preglow | and all was well? |
17:05:45 | amiconn | git was one proposed alternative at devcon |
17:05:46 | whatboutbob | as well as could be expected. :-) |
17:06:32 | whatboutbob | the file was fine. the recording was just choppy for about 10 mins before the signal was completely lost. |
17:07:43 | blind | sup, who said my name |
17:07:52 | whatboutbob | oh...and don't anyone ever buy a panasonic battery... |
17:07:54 | preglow | well, if the adc was dying... |
17:08:00 | blind | panasonic lol |
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17:08:17 | whatboutbob | preglow: oh yeah...completely the fault of the adc. rockbox handled it admirably. |
17:08:49 | preglow | that's nice to hear, and a fine test anyway |
17:08:56 | preglow | the old spdif recording might not have handled it too nicely |
17:09:03 | preglow | but yeah |
17:09:07 | preglow | i'm going for commit today |
17:09:42 | whatboutbob | i *know* the old version wouldn't have handled it quite so nicely. |
17:09:48 | whatboutbob | nice one. |
17:10:30 | preglow | amiconn deserves the credit for that one |
17:11:47 | whatboutbob | thanks again to both of you. |
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17:13:23 | whatboutbob | i'm off to bed. night all. |
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17:14:02 | * | petur waves a bit |
17:14:16 | preglow | good time |
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17:16:28 | Visiteur376 | hello all |
17:17:02 | markun | hi |
17:17:18 | Visiteur376 | i have a iaudio X5L and I want to install rockbox bootloader |
17:17:36 | Visiteur376 | but with is the good bootloader |
17:17:43 | Visiteur376 | the x5 or X5V |
17:17:57 | Visiteur376 | escuse my very bad english |
17:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | x5 |
17:18:38 | Visiteur376 | ok thanx |
17:19:11 | Visiteur376 | and we must install the bootloader to run rockbox ? |
17:21:14 | klrspz | yes |
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17:22:29 | Visiteur376 | ok thx |
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17:26:46 | webguest65 | what's the most stable ipod4gray release? neither 0510 nor 0511 boot past the splash screen. |
17:29:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest65: Nobody's really tracking. I hear 05-09 doesn't have that problem though. |
17:30:17 | hardeep | RedBreva: around? |
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17:41:38 | RedBreva | yes |
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17:45:26 | doyle | hello |
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17:46:33 | RedBreva | hardeep: Just about tea time, back in 15... |
17:47:07 | hardeep | RedBreva: I just wanted to mention that there is a problem with the ipodSimple WPS on your site |
17:47:19 | hardeep | the fg and bg are reversed so you get white on white text |
17:51:43 | crwl | http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox |
17:51:48 | amiconn | preglow: I have a resampling question: Would it be better to upsample 48kHz to 88.2kHz instead of downsampling to 44.1kHz? |
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17:53:13 | solexx_ | I am missing the new terminus fonts |
17:53:43 | petur | download the fonts package |
17:54:10 | petur | btw, congrats, you're the first to complain :) |
17:54:28 | solexx_ | :) |
17:54:39 | dpro | damn |
17:54:51 | solexx_ | I second after I complained, I noticed there aren't any fonts at all in the zip file... |
17:54:57 | * | dpro wanted to be the first at _something_ |
17:54:59 | PaulJam | maybe tehre should be a link at the dayly builds page |
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17:58:37 | solexx_ | PaulJam: ACK |
17:59:05 | solexx_ | and is there a "bleedign edge" build of the font package? |
17:59:19 | petur | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
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17:59:53 | petur | I think the font package is build only once a day |
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18:00:09 | solexx_ | ah, ok. So no terminus for now |
18:00:39 | preglow | amiconn: it would most certainly be easier |
18:01:12 | RedBreva | hardeep: Ahh, OK Thanks for that... I have swapped the colours in the .cfg file and re-uploaded it. ;-) |
18:01:22 | petur | solexx_: blame Bagder :) |
18:01:42 | solexx_ | no, that's ok. Fonts are quite static, I think. :) |
18:02:10 | solexx_ | btw, is there a way to get the changelog without having to use CVS? |
18:02:15 | amiconn | preglow: The uda is capable of handling up to 96kHz. The coldfire is limited to the 44.1 family (11.025/22.05/44.1/88.2). If we deviate from 44.1kHz, we will need to utilise the WSPLL of the UDA, but that should be about all that's necessary... |
18:02:34 | solexx_ | I don't visit rockbox.org daily and I sometimes miss important messages (like this one) |
18:03:03 | amiconn | Dunno what happens to spdif if we do that. Maybe a number of devices isn't capable of running at 88.2 |
18:03:10 | preglow | certainly |
18:03:18 | preglow | i say we steer away from it |
18:03:26 | RedBreva | Uhmm, how do you make the fonts in the sim? |
18:03:27 | PaulJam | solexx_: there is a link "all commits since 2.5." on the frontpage |
18:03:33 | preglow | downsampling will be easier on the cpu, but harder to design |
18:03:41 | preglow | since 48khz -> 44.1khz leaves a very narrow guard band |
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18:03:56 | amiconn | Guard band? |
18:04:02 | solexx_ | PaulJam: ah, thx. More than I need, but well |
18:04:43 | amiconn | preglow: In fact it's a general question: Do we want to support other sample frequencies than 44.1kHz natively, or with nearest-possible resampling? |
18:05:06 | preglow | i say we do want that, eventually |
18:05:22 | preglow | but rounding up when at 48khz, hmm |
18:05:22 | amiconn | I think so too |
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18:06:53 | preglow | it's not going to be easy on the cpu, that's for sure |
18:07:00 | preglow | i'd rather round down in that case |
18:07:34 | preglow | but yeah, we'll always want to upsample instead of downsample |
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18:07:44 | preglow | since that doesn't require cutting away information |
18:07:50 | preglow | but 88.2khz is a large sample freq |
18:07:53 | preglow | i'd rather avoid it |
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18:08:41 | amiconn | Hmm, do we support 64/88.2/96 kHz playback? |
18:08:51 | preglow | as in right now? |
18:08:51 | preglow | yes |
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18:09:08 | webguest08 | http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox%2C+ipodlinux&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all :) |
18:09:17 | amiconn | The codecs do keep up for these frequencies? |
18:09:29 | preglow | the simpler ones do |
18:09:42 | preglow | i haven't tried any transform codecs at those rates |
18:09:47 | preglow | vorbis should be able to do it |
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18:10:27 | Mikachu | i can only increase pitch to 145% or so on vorbis q3, but maybe native higher samplerates are not as demanding |
18:10:44 | tempi | does rockbox have code for sounding a beep via the piezo on iPod 5G models? |
18:10:53 | preglow | yes |
18:10:57 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, so for these source sample rates it would be desirable to output at 88.2? |
18:11:01 | tempi | where could i find that? |
18:11:07 | preglow | amiconn: well, and pointless |
18:11:13 | preglow | tempi: ipodlinux has it as well |
18:11:16 | preglow | tempi: right now, in the patch tradcker |
18:11:29 | tempi | no. the ipodlinux code is not good for the 5G |
18:11:31 | preglow | webguest08: interesting, heh |
18:11:37 | tempi | just tried that |
18:11:42 | preglow | tempi: i took the code from there, and it works on nano, which is more or less a 5g |
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18:11:48 | tempi | it is too short and has the wrong pitch (very low) |
18:12:16 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm in fact I consider these ultra-high sample rates pointless as well, but other people obviously do not, otherwise they wouldn't exiost |
18:12:18 | tempi | i use now a timer to make it 50ms long, so i hear it, but the pitch is still badly wrong |
18:13:01 | preglow | amiconn: i consider them valuable for production purposes, but nothing else |
18:13:02 | amiconn | (same as sample depths >16 bit) |
18:13:08 | preglow | you wouldn't want to save a 96khz lossy file |
18:13:53 | preglow | tempi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 |
18:14:18 | tempi | unless my 5G's piezo is bad... i used to have a click on my 4G when using the wheel, but on the 5G it's not even offered any more. i never hear any sounds from the 5G |
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18:15:10 | Mikachu | tempi: the argument is the period, not the frequency |
18:15:11 | tempi | thanks, preglow, will try that out |
18:15:34 | Mikachu | so it's inversely proportional |
18:16:18 | preglow | tempi: i haven't tried it, but it's based on my code, which works here |
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18:19:00 | RedBreva | Should 'make install' in a SIM create and install the fonts? It does not anymore... |
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18:19:45 | tempi | got it working now. i had copied code from iPL which sucked (it did set different periods in a loop, which is totally senseless) |
18:21:36 | RedBreva | It does if you make the last line of the MAKEFILE @($(MAKE) fullzip && cd archos && unzip -oq ../rockbox-full.zip) |
18:21:56 | RedBreva | It was @($(MAKE) zip && cd archos && unzip -oq ../rockbox.zip) |
18:24:04 | linuxstb | Maybe we would want something like "make fullinstall" and "make install" ? |
18:24:49 | Mikachu | what would you save by not copying the fonts? |
18:25:30 | linuxstb | A little time? make install seems to take a few seconds to happen, but I'm not sure what the bottleneck is. |
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18:40:00 | tempi | woohoo, gut spindown working now as well. |
18:40:04 | tempi | got |
18:49:30 | markun | Can anyone verify that this vkeyboard file works well? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/fractions.kbd |
18:49:57 | markun | I tried with unifont and it looked normal |
18:52:02 | Mikachu | it looks like utf-8 in my browser at least |
18:53:13 | markun | Mikachu: can you test it in rockbox |
18:53:34 | markun | If it works we can close another bug report |
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18:55:19 | Mikachu | sorry, no, linux decided i can't access usb anymore |
18:56:54 | preglow | god, i love that |
18:57:07 | markun | At least it doesn't crash like FreeBSD does.. |
18:57:21 | Mikachu | i'm optimistically hoping 2.6.17 will be better |
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19:01:47 | webguest65 | are there plans to integrate line-in recording on the 4g (like ipl)? |
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19:06:13 | preglow | sure |
19:06:14 | preglow | some day |
19:06:33 | webguest65 | hehe, thanks. |
19:06:45 | webguest65 | Anyhow, excellent project. Thank you. |
19:07:00 | preglow | you're welcome |
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19:08:35 | markun | I can't reproduce this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5333 |
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19:27:50 | tempi | If anyone's interested: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2_Testing −− new iPodLoader that also supports loading Rockbox, with menus etc. |
19:28:21 | tempi | and can load apple's OS as well :) |
19:28:55 | * | tempi drops out before he gets flamed for this.. |
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19:33:28 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't all mas3587f players have spdif support? |
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19:47:04 | preglow | marvelous, now i find an spdif recording bug... |
19:47:26 | markun | preglow: playlist_save could do with some more yields because it starves the pcm_buffer. Should I just add a second yield or is it better to place it somewhere else in the code? |
19:47:42 | preglow | no idea |
19:48:35 | markun | I don't think it would really matter, but yield; yield; just looks a bit strange. |
19:49:20 | preglow | ahh, yes |
19:49:26 | preglow | you should probably stuff it some other place |
19:49:30 | preglow | depends on the code, i guess |
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19:53:19 | hardeep | it yields on every track that's inserted ... that's not enough? |
19:54:23 | hardeep | it's also making file i/o calls which usually yield as well |
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19:59:38 | hardeep | markun: are you overwriting the current playlist? i see a problem there that might cause pcm buffer starvation |
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20:01:23 | webguest90 | Hardeep: a note in case you forget it: 20.36.28 <hardeep> hmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks |
20:01:35 | webguest90 | a note in case you forget it: 20.36.28 <hardeep> hmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks |
20:02:20 | hardeep | webguest90: yeah, i looked into it. it's a little messy not to sort so I probably won't change |
20:02:28 | webguest90 | ok |
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20:05:16 | markun | hardeep: what you mean by current playlist |
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20:06:41 | hardeep | markun: did you start playback by selecting a playlist? |
20:06:51 | hardeep | m3u file that is |
20:07:55 | markun | hardeep: First I inserted my Albums dir, I have recursive insert on. Then while playing (and still buffering probably) I saved the playlist to a file. |
20:09:07 | hardeep | markun: okay, so you wouldn't hit the case I was looking at. |
20:09:25 | hardeep | does the second yield fix the problem? |
20:09:42 | markun | Didn't try it yet |
20:10:08 | lostlogic | does each playlist insert invalidate the buffer or something which would cause the disk to keep trying to refill during all the inserts? |
20:10:16 | markun | I was looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5287 |
20:10:18 | lostlogic | (audio_invalidate_tracks would be the call) |
20:10:19 | hardeep | i'm surprised that a yield per track isn't enough |
20:10:28 | hardeep | lostlogic: not for saving playlists |
20:10:37 | lostlogic | I thought we were loading, my bad. |
20:10:52 | hardeep | lostlogic: and not when the playlist hasn't started (that's the fix i made a couple of days ago) |
20:11:04 | lostlogic | *nod* |
20:11:27 | markun | I tried again and waited till buffering was over. Still I got a pause 1 time. |
20:14:34 | hardeep | could the problem be that the pcm buffer thread isn't loading enough whenever it's active? |
20:15:02 | lostlogic | the codec thread will try to decode one full packet each time it's called |
20:15:08 | lostlogic | which I think is 1024 samples in most codecs |
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20:15:27 | XavierGr | hi lostlogic! :P |
20:15:30 | markun | I only had Ogg Vorbis files in the playlist |
20:15:32 | lostlogic | XavierGr: no, I haven't. |
20:15:37 | lostlogic | XavierGr: :) |
20:15:46 | XavierGr | hehe |
20:17:11 | hardeep | markun: what's the bitrate of your files? |
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20:17:27 | markun | q3, about 112 kb/s |
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20:23:26 | hardeep | er, oops, we're talking about samples. i'm assuming your music is 44khz? |
20:24:03 | markun | yes |
20:24:30 | markun | You can't reproduce it? |
20:25:00 | hardeep | so, if my math is correct, each time it's called we load 20ms of data? |
20:25:01 | amiconn | preglow: Nope. The recorder v1 has spdif in & out, the fmrecorder and recorder v2 only have spdif in, and the Ondio doesn't have spdif at all |
20:25:14 | hardeep | markun: sorry, was just doing the math, haven't tried to reproduce... |
20:25:53 | markun | btw, the simulator doesn't work for me anymore after playing a file |
20:26:07 | markun | The WPS doesn't update and it doesn't respond to buttons |
20:26:15 | markun | audio is fine |
20:26:50 | hardeep | lostlogic: does that math look correct? for 44khz sample rate files, 1024 samples ~= 20ms ? |
20:27:31 | markun | Does it decode 1 frame or always 1024 samples? |
20:30:01 | hardeep | 1 frame, according to lostlogic |
20:30:42 | markun | I believe in the frames produced by the default encoder are either 512 samples or 2048 samples |
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20:32:38 | hardeep | either way, we're not loading much data on every call |
20:32:45 | hardeep | which would explain the pause |
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20:33:52 | hardeep | strangely, i can't reproduce the problem on my h300 with mp3 files |
20:34:05 | hardeep | tried with around 2700 tracks |
20:34:45 | markun | I tried with about 5000 tracks, and after buffering was finished only got a pause at about track 4000 |
20:37:08 | hardeep | hmmm, 5300 tracks worked fine too |
20:39:05 | hardeep | would it make a difference if we boosted cpu while saving? |
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20:41:22 | preglow | if markun gets skipping while buffering, then no |
20:41:26 | preglow | cpu is boosted when buffering |
20:43:06 | amiconn | No it's not |
20:43:21 | amiconn | It used to be before lostlogic's rework |
20:44:30 | amiconn | I wanted to add boosting to the ata driver, but didn't get around doing it yet |
20:45:06 | amiconn | I also need to know whether there is an ata speed advantage when boosting on ipod as well |
20:45:19 | amiconn | Now I can measure myself... |
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20:48:11 | markun | amiconn: did you already have time to try dma transfer for ata? |
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20:54:42 | dwihno | is pio used now? |
20:58:51 | preglow | ah, right |
20:58:53 | preglow | pio, yes |
20:59:03 | preglow | so it doesn't boost anymore |
20:59:07 | preglow | i think i liked it when it boosted |
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21:02:01 | dwihno | fast disk reads are good disk reads |
21:03:28 | preglow | deedey |
21:04:12 | markun | preglow: should I close this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5006 |
21:04:34 | markun | We know that some codecs could do with some optimisation. Don't think you can call it a bug |
21:04:48 | preglow | it's a big vague... |
21:04:50 | preglow | bit |
21:04:58 | preglow | he mentions distortion |
21:04:58 | preglow | but yeah |
21:05:00 | preglow | close it |
21:05:08 | preglow | it's too vague to be of any use |
21:06:23 | preglow | amiconn: arghghgh, sometimes when i enter the recording screen with spdif as source, recording won't start |
21:06:26 | preglow | peak meters don't work |
21:07:17 | preglow | and when i press record enough times, it hangs........ |
21:08:13 | amiconn | Is your patch up to date? |
21:08:18 | preglow | yes |
21:08:26 | Falco98 | heh, someone made a patch for my feature request |
21:08:32 | Falco98 | too bad i'm not set up to compile :-/ |
21:08:37 | amiconn | I see that you continued the recording settings mess.... |
21:09:01 | preglow | i'll fix it later if i care to |
21:09:09 | preglow | i just want to get this off my hands now |
21:09:35 | Falco98 | would anyone be able or willing to make a h120 build for me? |
21:09:45 | preglow | it's not any worse than it was anyway |
21:09:52 | preglow | Falco98: today is a fine day to learn how to do it yourself |
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21:10:31 | Falco98 | preglow: i'm not even sure what compiler i need |
21:10:46 | Falco98 | plus my windows is running significantly impaired ATM |
21:11:01 | Falco98 | but i suppose i'd be willing.. give me a hint or point me to the right WIKI |
21:12:31 | blind | windows.. impaired? |
21:12:34 | blind | redundant? |
21:13:08 | Falco98 | haha |
21:13:14 | Falco98 | *especially* impaired |
21:13:32 | Falco98 | i.e. no explorer.exe running −− no taskbar, start menu, systray, or desktop icons |
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21:14:40 | blind | that's how to run it man |
21:14:48 | blind | when you right click, do you get a flux box? |
21:14:49 | blind | :P |
21:15:31 | blind | afk. |
21:15:55 | Falco98 | on the desktop? |
21:16:05 | Falco98 | clicking on the desktop gets me nothing "normal" |
21:16:18 | Falco98 | though in other programs it works about as normal |
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21:19:31 | blind | i was.. kidding |
21:20:06 | blind | never used a fluxbox version of linux, eh? |
21:26:10 | preglow | amiconn: ok, bug fixed, back to normal again |
21:26:33 | preglow | amiconn: shall i just commit tonight? the spdif recording people have been notoriously silent today |
21:27:09 | amiconn | preglow: I'm fiddling with ebu1config right now, trying to make monitoring work for both spdif in (loop-through) and analog recording |
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21:27:44 | Falco98 | if i have, i don't know what the term means, anyway :-P |
21:27:56 | Falco98 | i'm installing cygwin now... |
21:28:34 | amiconn | There's some monitoring oddity (in general, not just spdif) when voice ui is enabled. This needs fixing, independent of spdif recording |
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21:34:31 | preglow | well, no wonder |
21:34:48 | preglow | i guess spdif hijacking the playback channel doesn't help either |
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21:37:42 | markun | midkay: are you here? |
21:42:26 | amiconn | preglow: Your sample rate measurement only goes down to 32kHz... |
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21:45:55 | * | amiconn thinks the spdif monitor should get the freqmeas logic as well, but without rounding |
21:47:41 | preglow | amiconn: 32khz is the lowest spdif sample rate |
21:48:13 | amiconn | Slight correction: it's the lowest sample rate specified in the standard |
21:48:26 | preglow | yes, but should we care to support anything else? |
21:48:40 | amiconn | Why not? if it works.... |
21:48:45 | preglow | i don't think you'll find rates lower than 32khz very often |
21:48:57 | amiconn | The mas can produce these with the pcm codec |
21:49:08 | amiconn | I'll test that |
21:49:17 | preglow | well, ok |
21:49:32 | preglow | what other rates should we include? |
21:49:47 | amiconn | 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24 |
21:50:38 | amiconn | I'll test that next, after spdif monitoring of analog recordings |
21:54:17 | preglow | updated patch |
21:54:22 | preglow | fixed the recording hangs too |
21:56:00 | amiconn | What was it? |
21:58:33 | preglow | didn't reset DATAINCONTROL when i was finished recording |
21:58:44 | preglow | which seems to be a wise thing to do |
21:58:57 | preglow | that is, not reset it, just set PDIR2 to one sample left |
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22:02:56 | Falco98 | gah wtf |
22:03:04 | Falco98 | cygwin can't handle directories with spaces in them?? |
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22:03:24 | amiconn | preglow: You added the other sample rates, but didn't change the array size and the bounds for i in audio_get_spdif_sample_rate() ... |
22:03:31 | amiconn | Falco98: It can |
22:03:38 | preglow | amiconn: haha, indeed i didn't |
22:03:49 | preglow | time for some sizeofs |
22:03:53 | amiconn | yup |
22:04:17 | amiconn | This recording code contains a bit too many literal numbers for my taste |
22:05:34 | Falco98 | hmm |
22:05:40 | Falco98 | then why did "make" just explode in my face? |
22:06:44 | preglow | new patch up |
22:06:50 | preglow | Falco98: million different reasons |
22:06:54 | preglow | error messages are good |
22:08:03 | Falco98 | preglow: it basically reported "d:\new" incorrect path |
22:08:16 | amiconn | Many Makefiles won't cope with paths containing spaces |
22:08:19 | Falco98 | while the correct path would be "d:\new and unsorted\rockbox ..."etc |
22:08:24 | Falco98 | yeah |
22:08:30 | amiconn | I thought you referred to the command line |
22:08:30 | Falco98 | ok, i've moved it a bit closer to root |
22:08:35 | Falco98 | it seems to be compiling right now |
22:10:34 | Falco98 | jeez talk about big :-P |
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22:13:48 | Falco98 | when it's finally done compiling will i have the .rockbox folder nice and ready-to-go? |
22:14:20 | smilin_j0e | if anyone needs someone with a 3g iPod for testing, I am ready and willing |
22:14:42 | Falco98 | you could test the "randomly insert folders" patch for me O:-) |
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22:15:18 | preglow | we need a developer with a 3g more than a tester |
22:15:22 | smilin_j0e | I anyone activly working on sound for the 3g/ |
22:15:27 | smilin_j0e | right |
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22:15:36 | preglow | right now we have no pre-4g developers |
22:15:39 | preglow | the one we had vanished |
22:17:15 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, analog monitoring of analog recording doesn't go through the coldfire? |
22:17:28 | preglow | nope |
22:17:31 | smilin_j0e | what needs to happen next on the 3g...is sound the last hurdle |
22:17:34 | amiconn | Looks like it's done directly in the UDA |
22:17:38 | preglow | it is |
22:17:54 | amiconn | Any benefit / drawback of using the coldfire instead? |
22:18:06 | preglow | well, no |
22:18:08 | preglow | it's unecessary |
22:18:26 | amiconn | Well, there would be a slight benefit |
22:18:41 | preglow | which? |
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22:18:53 | amiconn | Apart from allowing spdif monitoring of analog recordings, it would make clipping audible |
22:19:00 | webguest49 | so there is no longer a font folder in rockbox ? |
22:19:08 | amiconn | (guessing that the uda monitoring is purely analog) |
22:19:58 | amiconn | Thing is, if we disable iis2out, I have no clock source to clock spdif from for monitoring |
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22:22:57 | preglow | true enough |
22:23:03 | preglow | anyway, i'm not doing it |
22:23:08 | webguest75 | I wanted to let developers know that the 5-11 Ondio FM build is missing the abjrec.ajz file |
22:23:09 | preglow | i need to fix my resampler and other shit now |
22:23:19 | preglow | webguest75: in the latest builds too? |
22:23:37 | preglow | webguest75: if it's a daily, then tomorrows will have it |
22:23:38 | webguest75 | haven't tried the bleeding edge builds |
22:23:42 | preglow | it'll be there |
22:23:51 | preglow | there was a bug |
22:24:03 | webguest75 | I know yesterday's build took out like a MB of fonts |
22:24:11 | webguest75 | I guess some other files were deleted by mistake |
22:24:21 | preglow | correct |
22:24:26 | webguest49 | so fonts were purposely removed |
22:24:28 | preglow | the font packs has the abjrec.ajz file, heh |
22:24:40 | webguest75 | k, thanks - later |
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22:24:45 | preglow | webguest49: fonts are in a separate package, they grew too big for the main pack |
22:25:12 | webguest49 | k, I normally deleted the fonts I didnt use anyway |
22:27:07 | webguest49 | that dance puff po wps is soooo crap |
22:27:57 | preglow | hahaha |
22:27:58 | preglow | it rocks! |
22:28:15 | amiconn | preglow: The recording code also needs ifdefing for HAVE_SPDIF_IN ... |
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22:29:03 | preglow | which part of it? |
22:29:07 | preglow | right |
22:29:08 | markun | midkay: I fixed the viewer |
22:29:14 | amiconn | preglow: Thinking H300... |
22:29:24 | amiconn | (and probably X5 too) |
22:29:44 | webguest49 | now where are the fonts hidden, nothing in the browse fonts player on the player, |
22:30:15 | preglow | i'm stuffing HAVE_SPDIF_IN all over the palce now |
22:31:03 | preglow | need to fix some brace placement too |
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22:32:36 | preglow | shouldn't your dma fix code have been ifdeffed too? |
22:32:50 | Falco98 | wow the "shuffled folders" patch appears to have worked... |
22:33:10 | Falco98 | i'm not sure how "random" it is but it seems okay so far.. |
22:34:53 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, the whole 'else if ...' block |
22:35:02 | amiconn | (and the reset in dma_start() |
22:35:18 | amiconn | I mean INTERRUPTCLEAR |
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22:36:50 | Agent666 | so let me get this stragith, I can put Rockbox onto my ihp-140? (that I was about to sell!) |
22:37:01 | Agent666 | *straight |
22:37:03 | Agent666 | lol |
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22:37:48 | smilin_j0e | hey preglow....where is the best place to find where the last guy left off on the 3g, and what sort of dev guy should I try to find |
22:38:05 | preglow | amiconn: new patch |
22:38:33 | preglow | smilin_j0e: the last guy left off at audio support, you'll pretty much find out once you try it anyway |
22:38:42 | preglow | you should find someone interested in porting rockbox to a 3g, plain and simple |
22:38:59 | preglow | someone with hardware programming skills, preferably |
22:39:05 | smilin_j0e | k |
22:39:32 | smilin_j0e | lots of those types around here (work)...I'll see what I can find |
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22:40:30 | Agent666 | anyone put Rockbox onto their iRiver player? |
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22:40:43 | ender` | many of us |
22:40:58 | Agent666 | omg! does it work with iPod too?!!!! |
22:42:08 | amiconn | gah! |
22:42:20 | Agent666 | I don't like how ipod's software works, it's a mess |
22:42:31 | Agent666 | was gonna get rid of it |
22:42:57 | jpmahala | does anyone know if there are any known issues with tagcache and large databases? (>11000 songs) |
22:43:17 | Agent666 | anyone done it with iPod 60gb video then? |
22:43:32 | Agent666 | I think I'd rather go that way than iRiver |
22:43:52 | new5guser | Agent666: it works very well |
22:44:01 | Agent666 | awesome! |
22:44:24 | jpmahala | I have it on my ipod 60gb color/photo |
22:44:51 | Agent666 | could u guys paste some links with pictures of how it looks? |
22:44:54 | jpmahala | Although tagcache isn't happy |
22:46:28 | Falco98 | Agent666: i have rockbox running on my H140 at this very moment.. |
22:46:46 | Agent666 | sweet |
22:46:48 | Falco98 | Agent666: the best way to see a "how it looks" is to look at the WPS galleries on the RB wiki |
22:47:14 | jpmahala | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery for sample theme screenshots |
22:47:18 | Cassandra | Hmm. Never let it be said that I do not have godlike powers of finding out things people don't want me to find out. |
22:47:36 | preglow | amiconn: did i leave out anything? |
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22:47:54 | Cassandra | I now have the name and address of someone at AT&T research with direct responsibility for Natural Voices. |
22:48:05 | Falco98 | my favorite H140 WPS so far is the "iAmp", though i haven't found it in the gallery for some reason.. |
22:48:16 | preglow | Falco98: lots of wpses aren't in the gallery |
22:48:22 | preglow | Falco98: the wps author has to put it there |
22:48:30 | preglow | Cassandra: hooray! |
22:49:07 | Falco98 | preglow: ah, i just would have figured since it ships with the daily builds, it would be a likely gallery candidate.. |
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22:50:14 | Agent666 | I've been wanting to modify mp3 players os from day 1 :) |
22:50:23 | Cassandra | All I need now is his current job title. |
22:51:26 | Cassandra | Got it. :) |
22:51:29 | preglow | amiconn: i don't like the fact that everything freezes on disk accesses in the recording screen |
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22:54:45 | Cassandra | Any chance someone can set me up a public-relations@rockbox.org email forwarder so I can put something official on this letter? |
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22:55:23 | Bagder | Cassandra: sure me can do that |
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22:55:48 | Cassandra | Can you think of something suitably official sounding I can call myself? |
22:56:19 | Cassandra | Since General muggins and doer of things no-one else wants to is not so impressive sounding. |
22:56:35 | Bagder | I'm not very good at titles and things |
22:56:45 | * | dwihno votes for "General Muggins" |
22:56:45 | preglow | use something military |
22:56:51 | * | Cassandra nods. |
22:56:56 | dwihno | Chief officer public relations! |
22:57:09 | dwihno | Now that sounds serious :D |
22:57:11 | Bagder | CIO! |
22:57:24 | new5guser | CPRO |
22:57:24 | dwihno | sounds like some serial interface |
22:57:37 | Cassandra | But then President and Chairman of the Board of Directors has a nice ring to it. |
22:57:38 | Bagder | C3PO! |
22:57:53 | Cassandra | Rockbox Official Dictator for Life? |
22:59:10 | Mikachu | heh star wars is on tv here |
22:59:21 | Cassandra | I think I'll just go for 'Public Relations Officer" - no point in sounding like I have an overinflated sense of my own importance. |
22:59:24 | Cassandra | Even if I do. |
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23:01:19 | preglow | anything with "officer" in it sounds suitably pompous |
23:01:24 | preglow | yes sirety sir sir sir! |
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23:09:30 | preglow | amiconn: i don't like the fact that everything freezes on disk accesses in the recording screen |
23:09:44 | Agent666 | checkin out these pictures... sweet :) |
23:09:57 | preglow | all graphical updates stop |
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23:10:05 | amiconn | Yes, that's a bit lame |
23:10:40 | preglow | but anywho |
23:10:44 | preglow | something i forgot in the patch? |
23:10:47 | preglow | think i got it all |
23:11:20 | preglow | nope, it doesn't compile for h3x0 |
23:11:45 | amiconn | Analog monitoring from analog input via IIS is working. What's not working yet is digital monitoring of analog in |
23:11:45 | preglow | bah, idiot error |
23:12:02 | Bagder | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/ <= another nice rasher thing |
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23:13:12 | preglow | where'd rasher go, anyway? |
23:13:31 | Bagder | he just said he got busy with non-Rockbox stuff |
23:13:54 | Bagder | but clearly he's still alive |
23:14:44 | preglow | yeah, i see he does bugtracker stuff from time to time |
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23:14:53 | Bagder | I've noticed too |
23:15:13 | XavierGr | Bger is lost too.... |
23:15:44 | sharpe | but sharpe isn't! |
23:16:02 | Bagder | I feel lost! |
23:16:18 | XavierGr | hehe |
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23:16:59 | sharpe | i can't remember, how does one win a game of 'tag' ? |
23:18:00 | sharpe | right, no winner. |
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23:19:01 | sharpe | generally |
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23:19:45 | amiconn | *Too many config bits error* |
23:19:47 | * | amiconn silly |
23:19:57 | preglow | new patch again |
23:20:44 | amiconn | I tried to use ebu1recv for transmit instead of iis1recv... |
23:20:58 | Agent666 | so the changes that can be done are unlimited right not only visual? for example I wanted when one album ends to go to the next one |
23:21:02 | Agent666 | on iPod that is |
23:21:47 | Agent666 | on iPod when the album ends the player just stops and exits out of the whole thing, u have to browse to that Artist all over again |
23:22:33 | amiconn | Wee, monitoring is now fully digital :) |
23:23:08 | amiconn | preglow: Somehow we need to merge stuff... |
23:23:17 | preglow | you got much new stuff? |
23:23:20 | preglow | i hate merging |
23:23:32 | preglow | can't i just commit and you fix the collisions? :> |
23:23:38 | amiconn | Only in audio_set_recording_options() |
23:24:03 | amiconn | Most probably we can drop uda1380_set_monitor() completely |
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23:24:16 | amiconn | I just route signals between iis and ebu interfaces now |
23:24:25 | preglow | okies |
23:24:30 | preglow | merging that shouldn't be too hard |
23:24:31 | PaulJam | Agent666: i'm not sure if this works with tagcache, but in filetree mode the player can automatically go to the next directory once the current one finished playing. |
23:24:34 | amiconn | ...so no added interrupt load or somesuch |
23:25:42 | Agent666 | wait, u can make iPod wor as a file-based player??? |
23:25:47 | Agent666 | *work |
23:25:55 | Mikachu | yes !!!! |
23:25:59 | Agent666 | wow! |
23:26:00 | Agent666 | lol |
23:26:05 | * | Agent666 hugs #rockbox |
23:26:18 | Falco98 | that's how rockbox works ;-) |
23:26:21 | Falco98 | cross-platform |
23:26:22 | * | preglow distributes confetti |
23:26:41 | XavierGr | \o/ |
23:26:42 | * | Bagder grabs confetti |
23:27:04 | Falco98 | hehe |
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23:27:42 | Falco98 | Agent666: plus there's a new patch that (if it's added) will let you queue up all albums, sorted randomly by-album |
23:28:55 | Agent666 | well, my fav way of browsing is by folder tree, so I got things like \Rock\Beatles\White Album for example |
23:29:12 | Falco98 | yeah, same here |
23:29:20 | Falco98 | actually i don't have stuff sorted by category.. not yet anyway |
23:29:28 | Falco98 | just by artist / album |
23:29:33 | Agent666 | id3 tagging is a nice idea, but I just can't make it work with the way *I* organize music |
23:30:07 | Agent666 | I got a bunch of these temp folders that I just don't want to organize, but with id3 it's impossible not to |
23:30:34 | Agent666 | and then say I wanna move something from category A to B, just simple as drag & drop |
23:30:59 | Falco98 | well if your files are well-tagged i don't see why you really need to sort your random stuff |
23:31:19 | Agent666 | so with the Rockbox, u just hook it up and just copy mp3s like onto external HD right? no more evil iTunes? :) |
23:31:28 | Falco98 | indeed |
23:31:29 | Mikachu | yes, you can play oggs, flacs, mpc too |
23:31:34 | Falco98 | yeah |
23:31:39 | Falco98 | (all: YAY OGGS!!!) |
23:32:02 | Agent666 | what about those MP4? |
23:32:18 | Falco98 | i forget.. i dont have any of those so i don't pay attention |
23:32:29 | Falco98 | (tho the devs in here know everything) |
23:33:35 | Bagder | mp4 is a container not a music format |
23:33:52 | Bagder | mostly used for aac in itunes land I believe |
23:34:11 | Agent666 | yeah iTunes encodes it |
23:34:12 | Falco98 | aac is close to being implemented isn't it? |
23:34:20 | Falco98 | or is mp4 too DRM |
23:34:47 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
23:34:56 | Bagder | no need to repeat it all here |
23:35:03 | Falco98 | ooh |
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23:36:12 | Agent666 | yup looks like it's all underway |
23:36:34 | XavierGr | do we need different settings for remote scrolling? |
23:36:36 | Mikachu | Bagder: i thought irc was about repeating things listed in the wiki until your fingers fell off |
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23:36:50 | XavierGr | I am looking at a remote bug that relates to that and will be easy for me to inlcude so |
23:36:59 | Falco98 | haha |
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23:38:08 | Agent666 | so u can always go back to apple's os if you screw up right? |
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23:40:27 | Agent666 | no matter, I can't be stopped now anyway lol |
23:42:06 | Mikachu | Agent666: you can boot apple while rockbox is installed |
23:43:16 | amiconn | markun: Regarding your question in the code - I think the viewer should use the encoding set in the core as its default |
23:43:24 | Agent666 | Mikachu: nah c'mon now you're just teasing me |
23:43:27 | sharpe | whee... |
23:43:36 | Mikachu | Agent666: you can, i promise |
23:43:42 | Mikachu | Agent666: you can even triple boot rockbox, apple and ipodlinux |
23:43:51 | Agent666 | heh, damn |
23:44:41 | Falco98 | heh didn't know that myself |
23:44:47 | Falco98 | (not that i have an ipod or anything) |
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23:51:21 | markun | amiconn: The question was put there by phaedrus961. I forgot to remove it. The system encoding is the default. |
23:52:08 | markun | I find it a bit strange that the menu closes automatically when you leave one of the submenus |
23:52:09 | * | amiconn now needs a third rockbox for testing... |
23:54:28 | Agent666 | what's ipod_fw? |
23:54:42 | amiconn | h340-line_out -> line_in-h140-spdif_out -> opto/coax converter -> spdif_in-recorder-line_out -> hifi system |
23:54:46 | Agent666 | oh nm, found it! |
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