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| 00:01:34 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, we cannot drop uda1380_set_monitor() yet. It's still used in radio mode |
| 00:02:09 | petur | hmmm... opendir() in firmware/common/dir.c only checks for the FAT_ATTR_DIRECTORY bit and not if it's FAT_ATTR_LONG_NAME (which contains the dir bit) |
| 00:02:11 | amiconn | The radio screen needs to be fixed to allow recording, like it does on archos |
| 00:02:48 | amiconn | If we feed the signal through the coldfire audio interface as well, it has the advantage that the radio signal is avaliable from spdif out |
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| 00:03:15 | midkay | markun, i love you ;) |
| 00:03:25 | markun | midkay: thanks :) |
| 00:03:37 | midkay | markun, just one thing left... file position saving. i've already made some progress on it, so i should be able to finish it myself :) |
| 00:03:49 | midkay | bbiab.. |
| 00:04:07 | markun | rockbox crashed just a minute ago while I viewed a UTF-8 file with japanese.. |
| 00:04:27 | midkay | markun, hm, i know nothing about all the unicode stuff.. |
| 00:04:40 | midkay | see you soon :) |
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| 00:09:02 | * | petur needs to learn to read :( |
| 00:09:36 | Agent666 | hmm, strange I installed rockbox onto ipod but still get Rockbox error: -1 |
| 00:10:26 | Agent666 | I'll try another one, older maybe |
| 00:10:45 | sharpe | neither do i! |
| 00:10:58 | sharpe | socialistic smurfs... |
| 00:11:05 | Bagder | Agent666: used today's daily? |
| 00:11:06 | petur | agent666: do you have rockbox.ipod in the root of the drive? |
| 00:11:14 | preglow | amiconn: but ok, what's the plan here? i'm pretty much ready to commit this bastard and fix whatever bugs people tell me remain |
| 00:11:20 | Agent666 | yup, I used todays |
| 00:11:25 | preglow | as far as i can see, there are none |
| 00:11:26 | Agent666 | petur: yup |
| 00:11:28 | Bagder | Agent666: it is slightly broken |
| 00:11:31 | Agent666 | hehe |
| 00:11:40 | Bagder | get yday's daily |
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| 00:12:06 | Agent666 | petur: oh no I didn't have that actually! |
| 00:12:07 | * | Bagder whistles innocently |
| 00:12:13 | Agent666 | this older one has it |
| 00:12:22 | Bagder | that's the broken part |
| 00:12:29 | Agent666 | lol |
| 00:12:30 | petur | heh |
| 00:12:46 | Bagder | also starting today the fonts are excluded |
| 00:12:57 | petur | is that documented already? |
| 00:12:58 | Bagder | and offered separately |
| 00:13:09 | Bagder | petur: no |
| 00:13:29 | amiconn | preglow: If it compiles cleanly for all possibly affected targets, I'd say go for commit |
| 00:13:30 | markun | The aac codec works fine in the simulator but fails on my iriver. Are there endian problems? |
| 00:13:40 | amiconn | I'll add my monitoring changes afterwards |
| 00:13:41 | petur | Bagder: there was already a complaint just after you left earlier today :) |
| 00:14:06 | * | preglow needs to get an sh compiler |
| 00:14:09 | amiconn | I think it shouldn't be too hard to feed the signal through the coldfire in radio mode as well |
| 00:14:16 | Bagder | send the complainers to Cassandra, she's promised to take care of our relations ;-) |
| 00:14:25 | amiconn | preglow: No problem with that one on amd64 :) |
| 00:14:40 | sharpe | ah |
| 00:14:48 | preglow | i suppose i might as well |
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| 00:15:04 | sharpe | perfect timing... or, just a moment too late. pluggin in the usb cable just as soon as the battery died. |
| 00:15:17 | sharpe | plugged... |
| 00:15:48 | amiconn | preglow: And: archos builds are faster than swcodec builds :) |
| 00:16:15 | amiconn | No codecs or mega-plugins to compile... |
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| 00:16:51 | * | preglow almost forgot to patch |
| 00:16:56 | preglow | 4.0.3 is what we're using now? |
| 00:16:59 | amiconn | yeps |
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| 00:17:35 | Agent666 | so how do I play music? I see some options etc |
| 00:17:36 | amiconn | Don't forget to apply the patch from the CrossCompiler page |
| 00:19:01 | petur | Agent666: either copy your music in an understandable tree or enable tagcache and set view mode to ID3 |
| 00:20:15 | Agent666 | oh I see, so it doesn't see the old music folders |
| 00:20:34 | petur | no, apple cripples them ;) |
| 00:20:43 | amiconn | It shows them if you set 'show files' to 'all', |
| 00:20:46 | sharpe | it mutilates the filenames... |
| 00:20:59 | Agent666 | yeah it messes up all the filenames too |
| 00:21:12 | sharpe | like, grarrr! mutilate, not a subtle mutilate. |
| 00:21:37 | Agent666 | heh |
| 00:23:06 | amiconn | preglow: The spdif power handling can be collapsed into a sigle function call: |
| 00:23:33 | amiconn | spdif_power_enable((source == 2) || spdif_power_setting); |
| 00:24:06 | Agent666 | cool, it's working :) |
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| 00:24:41 | Falco98 | sharpe: qotd |
| 00:25:18 | sharpe | heh... |
| 00:25:39 | * | preglow blinks at amiconn |
| 00:25:48 | preglow | how do you see stuff like that? :) |
| 00:25:55 | sharpe | lets see if i can fit writing six lines into one... |
| 00:26:12 | sharpe | i used to be able to do nine readable ones on a college ruled line... |
| 00:26:21 | Falco98 | i gotta go.. if anyone has enough time to test the "random folders" patch, let me know! (and TIA) |
| 00:26:31 | amiconn | preglow: Just simple boolean algebra... |
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| 00:26:42 | Falco98 | ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 ) |
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| 00:27:02 | amiconn | We want spdif powered if either it should be always powered, or if source is spdif |
| 00:27:08 | preglow | sure, i understand it, i just don't see "ahh, that can be replaced by a one-liner" when browsing code |
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| 00:27:52 | amiconn | Well, how should I explain... I just see those things often. |
| 00:28:01 | amiconn | Keep code size down, you know... |
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| 00:28:14 | Moos | you have the tiger eye :) |
| 00:28:34 | preglow | fixed the other spdif_power_call too |
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| 00:28:48 | preglow | unecessary if |
| 00:30:00 | stonefry | noob question, I followed the step by step instructions for installing rockbox on my 5G (a month or so ago), is there another walkthrough or easy explanation for upgrading to the latest cvs? |
| 00:30:19 | sharpe | extract the latest build zip into the root of your ipod |
| 00:30:25 | Nazo | There was mention in the forums of the Sansa player. I was wondering if someone could tell me if it's even POSSIBLE that rockbox might someday be on the sansa with full features (in particular I'm wondering if there's any chance it would correctly handle video)? |
| 00:30:28 | stonefry | easy enough |
| 00:30:40 | stonefry | thanks |
| 00:30:58 | Bagder | Nazo: I doubt we can tell if its possible, we haven't researched that player |
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| 00:31:09 | Nazo | I'm trying to decide if I should take it back or not |
| 00:31:21 | | Part Aditya|Nap |
| 00:31:26 | dwihno | Piezo! :) |
| 00:31:31 | Nazo | It's a pretty nice player, but, I'm kind of unsatisfied on several things that I think rockbox would fix |
| 00:31:40 | Bagder | well, there aren't exactly getting a crowed of volounteering Rockbox porters for it |
| 00:32:04 | Nazo | don't know, it's a relatively new player |
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| 00:32:24 | Bagder | Nazo: any urls for tech specs of it? |
| 00:32:37 | Nazo | none I've seen. Sandisk's information pages are very pitiful |
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| 00:32:54 | Nazo | it was based on a chipset that one of the ipods uses or something according to that forum thread though |
| 00:33:26 | Nazo | Here's the link to the forum thread if you're interested: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.0 |
| 00:33:28 | amiconn | If it's sigmatel, I'd say forget it |
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| 00:33:45 | Nazo | portalplayer whatever that is |
| 00:33:57 | amiconn | PP5024 hmm, interesting |
| 00:33:57 | * | Nazo doesn't know much about MP3 player chipsets |
| 00:34:29 | Bagder | "Continuing PortalPlayer's success with its FeatureFlash? platform, SanDisk recently announced the Sansa e200 Series of personal media players that use PortalPlayer's 5024 device." |
| 00:34:45 | Nazo | sounds about right |
| 00:35:26 | Nazo | Anyway, I'm just trying to figure out if I should take it back and get something cheaper that just does audio |
| 00:35:47 | Nazo | sorry for bugging about it, just tomorrow is my best chance to do this |
| 00:36:57 | Bagder | well, it has a cpu that is similar to what the ipods use |
| 00:37:12 | Bagder | but it still takes quite some work to get a port for it |
| 00:37:20 | Nazo | oh, I don't doubt that |
| 00:37:34 | petur | and there's no ipl to borrow code and bootloader from... |
| 00:37:48 | Nazo | see, I'm unsatisfied with a lot of the stuff about it, but, if, say a year down the road it could become more capable, it's probably worth holding on to |
| 00:38:11 | Nazo | well, less than a year. If I have to wait that long it may be better just to go ahead and get something cheaper now, something better then |
| 00:38:35 | petur | then do that ;) |
| 00:38:41 | Bagder | the pp5024 is a powerful thing |
| 00:38:50 | Nazo | didn't someone say two ARM processors? |
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| 00:39:01 | petur | and no docs... |
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| 00:39:05 | Nazo | lol |
| 00:39:13 | Nazo | certainly not anything from sandisk anyway |
| 00:39:23 | Bagder | not from anyone |
| 00:39:26 | Nazo | darn |
| 00:39:54 | Bagder | http://www.portalplayer.com/products/documents/5024_Brief_Mar05.pdf |
| 00:40:41 | Nazo | only 200 MIPs? |
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| 00:40:50 | Bagder | only? |
| 00:40:54 | petur | hahaha |
| 00:40:59 | amiconn | Hmm, core performance looks identical to PP5022 |
| 00:41:01 | Nazo | well, I don't know how many MIPs it gets per cycle |
| 00:41:10 | petur | are you expecting 200 terraflops? |
| 00:41:25 | Nazo | no, just, I think my pocketpc 2002 based thing may be better |
| 00:41:40 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:41:40 | Nazo | processing power-wise that is |
| 00:41:46 | petur | heh.. run mortplayer on it :) |
| 00:41:50 | Bagder | PDAs have MUCH faster cpus |
| 00:41:52 | Bagder | generally |
| 00:41:55 | Nazo | 400MHz |
| 00:41:58 | Nazo | and that's 4 years old |
| 00:42:09 | Bagder | but PDAs have superbig screens |
| 00:42:18 | Nazo | yes, if this thing weren't so ancient I'd love it |
| 00:42:32 | preglow | amiconn: well, it builds for both recorders, but i can't test it, of course |
| 00:42:38 | preglow | btw, what's the difference between the two recorders? |
| 00:42:50 | petur | Nazo: http://www.sto-helit.de/modules/edito/content.php?id=28 |
| 00:42:56 | stonefry | My friend just called me from E3 and goes "guess what I'm standing in line for" "um, to play the Wii?" "no, to get Paris Hilton's autograph" |
| 00:43:03 | Nazo | I have a player for ogg/mp3 |
| 00:43:32 | sharpe | wow. |
| 00:43:32 | amiconn | preglow: Which 2? There are 3... |
| 00:43:33 | Nazo | I think it can even manage MPEG4, though I haven't tried very seriously. Problem is, this thing is so old it's starting to mess up |
| 00:43:37 | preglow | no, _three_ recorders |
| 00:43:40 | preglow | yes |
| 00:44:06 | amiconn | fmrecorder and recorder v2 are practically identical, just that the newer ('real') v2 doesn't have a radio |
| 00:44:18 | * | petur wonders what codecs mortplayer uses and how optimized they are. it's GPL and runs on XScale |
| 00:44:23 | amiconn | recorder v1 has nimh, fm/v2 has liion |
| 00:44:39 | preglow | all have the same mas? |
| 00:44:45 | amiconn | fm/v2 have no spdif out |
| 00:44:48 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:45:24 | preglow | but ok, it compiles for h1x0, h3x0, and archoses |
| 00:45:25 | preglow | so i'll commit |
| 00:45:26 | Nazo | Look at the Core Media Player: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/ That's what I use. |
| 00:45:49 | Nazo | even runs on my old thing running Windows CE 3.0 |
| 00:46:30 | petur | but mortplayer gives much more features... |
| 00:46:56 | petur | I only use tcpmp for video |
| 00:46:59 | Nazo | Well, I mainly had hoped for video. My impression of how that old thing handles video hasn't been good though |
| 00:47:15 | Nazo | supposedly it has some decent 2D acceleration, but, it still seems to be unable to draw very quickly |
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| 00:47:45 | Nazo | Anyway, my battery is unreliable at best |
| 00:48:18 | Nazo | every now and then, the PDA just shuts off randomly. Occasionally when I turn it back on it has done a soft reset even. |
| 00:48:52 | XavierGr | do we input new lang entries at the end of the lang file? |
| 00:49:28 | Nazo | Anyway, back on track for a moment, is there just basically no hope for a Sansa port in any kind of near future? |
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| 00:51:41 | Moos | XavierGr: yes |
| 00:52:23 | XavierGr | ok thanks |
| 00:52:38 | Moos | np |
| 00:53:00 | Moos | working on something new? |
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| 00:53:42 | XavierGr | I am working out a bug on the remote, and while I am at it I will make scroll options saperate for the remote |
| 00:54:17 | Moos | goodie, good luck then :) |
| 00:54:24 | markun | XavierGr: which bug? |
| 00:54:45 | XavierGr | e.g on H300 the Main LCD is readable even with a high scroll speed setting, while on the remote (crappy LCD) you can't read anything. |
| 00:54:53 | Moos | TiMiD: où es tu? where are you ! ;) |
| 00:55:05 | XavierGr | markun: the one that when the user changes scroll settings these are not applied for the remote. |
| 00:55:17 | XavierGr | this is not reported |
| 00:55:38 | markun | XavierGr: ok, good, because I was working on fixing the menus without remote support: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 |
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| 00:56:09 | amiconn | XavierGr: On h1x0 it's the other way round. The remote lcd is slow, but the main lcd is even slower... |
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| 00:56:22 | XavierGr | markun: nice |
| 00:56:37 | XavierGr | amiconn: so you agree to have saperete settings, right? |
| 00:56:48 | webguest81 | hello can anyone tell me how to play videos on the archos recorder version 2.0 |
| 00:56:59 | Nazo | Ah, I have a question. You people seem to use a lot of Archos players. Any comments on the Gmini XS 100? http://www.shoparchos.com/product.aspx?sku=2816013&culture=en-US |
| 00:57:01 | preglow | arghgh |
| 00:57:03 | preglow | cvs is so slow here |
| 00:57:47 | amiconn | Yes, but you won't need many new strings (in fact only one - "Remote Scroll Settings") |
| 00:58:04 | XavierGr | ah so the rest to be left the same? |
| 00:58:07 | webguest81 | does anyone know how to play videos on the archos recorder version 2.0? |
| 00:58:10 | petur | is there a reason FAT_ATTR_LONG_NAME is defined in fat.c while the other attributes are defined in fat.h? |
| 00:58:20 | XavierGr | amiconn: so we need a new sub menu in scroll menu |
| 00:58:46 | amiconn | XavierGr: Just reuse them. "Remote LCD settings" also reuses the strings from "LCD settings" |
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| 00:59:34 | XavierGr | yes but where such info will reside? Remote LCD settings or scroll settings (under a submenu)? |
| 00:59:38 | Nazo | bah, nm, this thing uses a hd |
| 00:59:47 | stonefry | my 5g rockbox is broken. I put the green theme on it a while back (used the patches that came with it) and it worked great, but now I upgraded to the latest cvs, so the them e is gone, but the background is still green and the skin is all screwed up. |
| 00:59:49 | amiconn | petur: I'd think it's because the longname handling is internal only |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:03 | stonefry | I deleted the rockbox folder and re-installed, but it is still messed up |
| 01:00:03 | petur | ok |
| 01:00:28 | petur | amiconn: makes sense now that I think about it... |
| 01:00:33 | markun | preglow: btw, I wrote a pink noise generator today :) Will turn it into a plugin, might be useful to some people. |
| 01:00:47 | preglow | how do you generate the noise? |
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| 01:01:07 | midkay | stonefry, just select a new theme. |
| 01:01:54 | markun | preglow: used this algo: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eltrammell/tech/pinkalg.htm |
| 01:02:30 | markun | preglow: between about 500 and 1750 Hz |
| 01:02:45 | preglow | markun: we can merge the sweep and noise generators into one plug |
| 01:02:55 | * | Nazo givesup |
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| 01:03:24 | markun | Anyway, got to get some sleep |
| 01:03:26 | markun | Good night! |
| 01:03:28 | Moos | preglow: red |
| 01:03:33 | Moos | nighty markun |
| 01:03:45 | preglow | yeah, know |
| 01:03:48 | preglow | i completely forgot about the sims |
| 01:03:54 | Moos | uch :( |
| 01:04:11 | stonefry | same thing. When I play a file, I can see the progress bar, but the id3 info blinks really quickly at the top of the screen, then nothing |
| 01:04:15 | preglow | it's a quick fix |
| 01:05:18 | Moos | preglow: will it be relatively easy to made S/PDIF working for other target now, like X5 for exemple (once the hardware part will be done) ? |
| 01:05:58 | amiconn | Moos: Does the X5 have spdif? |
| 01:06:27 | Moos | I think so, via the subpack |
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| 01:06:55 | Moos | but recdording code is still missing for iaudios |
| 01:06:56 | preglow | Moos: relatively easy |
| 01:07:03 | Moos | *recording |
| 01:07:03 | webguest97 | does anyone know where i can get the GUE video converion tool? |
| 01:07:07 | preglow | almost all recording code can be reused for x6 |
| 01:07:09 | preglow | x5 <- |
| 01:07:09 | amiconn | DeviceChart says X5: SPDIF: No |
| 01:07:11 | webguest97 | GUI |
| 01:07:13 | Moos | preglow: ok |
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| 01:07:24 | petur | fat.c line 2233: shouldn't that be (entry->attr & FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID) ? |
| 01:07:38 | Moos | amiconn: uch :( , I thought it does, let me check |
| 01:07:43 | * | preglow goes to check out the condition of the recording section in the manual |
| 01:12:40 | preglow | sweet lord |
| 01:12:42 | preglow | not good |
| 01:12:43 | Moos | amiconn: can't find info about, and I never used it even with h1xx |
| 01:13:29 | Moos | amiconn: just the label line in and line out separated in the subpack but don't know if S/PDIF |
| 01:13:33 | Moos | let wait Linus :) |
| 01:13:38 | Moos | let's |
| 01:13:46 | amiconn | petur: No, why? |
| 01:14:13 | amiconn | That would be wrong... |
| 01:14:46 | petur | we want to skip the entry whenever the bit is set? why would it be wrong? |
| 01:15:01 | amiconn | No, we only want to skip volume ids |
| 01:15:13 | amiconn | Volume ids have _only_ that bit set, |
| 01:15:27 | amiconn | but it's also set for special longname entries |
| 01:15:42 | petur | that's checked before that |
| 01:15:45 | preglow | amiconn: archos recorders only record to mp3, yes? |
| 01:16:09 | amiconn | Right now, yes |
| 01:16:12 | preglow | amiconn: i think it's worth mentioning that in the manual... |
| 01:16:17 | petur | I couldn't find any doc that states the volume bit is the _only_ bit set |
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| 01:17:04 | codyneedshelp | hey |
| 01:17:26 | * | petur feels a support request is about to come :) |
| 01:17:33 | Moos | yeah :) |
| 01:17:45 | codyneedshelp | hey guys whats up |
| 01:18:40 | Moos | hi, you need help in something? |
| 01:18:59 | Mikachu | maybe he's not cody |
| 01:19:06 | codyneedshelp | wait nvm i just have to re do everthing |
| 01:19:06 | codyneedshelp | lol |
| 01:19:07 | codyneedshelp | l8r |
| 01:19:09 | Moos | haha XD |
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| 01:20:23 | preglow | urgh |
| 01:20:31 | preglow | the manual still needs a ton of work |
| 01:21:28 | amiconn | petur: Hmm, in fact you're right, although I don't think it matters. |
| 01:21:57 | amiconn | There's only one additional condition that must be fulfilled by the volume label: It must not have ATTR_DIRECTORY set |
| 01:22:05 | preglow | amiconn: you know if the rest of the recording settings actually work on iriver? |
| 01:22:06 | amiconn | See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf p. 33 |
| 01:22:18 | petur | I'm just hunting for reasons the volume label might accidentally get erased |
| 01:22:36 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 01:22:54 | XavierGr | ok here is my small proposal (though I am not sure about it) |
| 01:24:21 | XavierGr | on the scroll settings menu we can create 2 differenct submenus. 1) Main Scroll Settings 2) Remote Scroll settings. And there we stuff the different scroll option. Thing is that this isn't elegant for targets that have only main screen. |
| 01:24:50 | XavierGr | alternatively we can create only the remote scroll settings in there |
| 01:25:09 | XavierGr | ^remote scroll settings submenu |
| 01:26:17 | preglow | amiconn: the mas only records one channel when recording mono? |
| 01:26:31 | preglow | amiconn: do we want to keep that behaviour for swcodec, or do the proper thing and mix channels? |
| 01:26:51 | amiconn | Yes, the mas only records one channel |
| 01:27:12 | amiconn | It's *usually* the left channel, but might be the right channel instead |
| 01:27:34 | amiconn | Archos obviously had a qa problem, channels are physically swapped on some units |
| 01:27:59 | amiconn | I think we should mix properly on swcodec, if possible |
| 01:29:02 | preglow | sure, it's possible |
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| 01:29:22 | preglow | i'm a bit torn on whether to try implement it now |
| 01:29:25 | preglow | it should be simple |
| 01:30:01 | amiconn | I'm currently looking into readding my monitoring changes |
| 01:30:55 | sharpe | i'm bored. nobody cares, but still. i am. |
| 01:31:05 | preglow | sharpe: i suggest doing something about it |
| 01:31:15 | Mikachu | sharpe: did you finish your emulator? |
| 01:31:25 | amiconn | I struck me that we should probably set the spdif channel status for output |
| 01:31:59 | XavierGr | sharpe: you can always search the bug tracker for open bugs and try to fix them. |
| 01:32:00 | amiconn | I don't have two h1x0s to test that |
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| 01:32:24 | XavierGr | amiconn: I have, do you need me to test something? |
| 01:32:52 | amiconn | Do you also have an optical cable? |
| 01:32:58 | XavierGr | yes |
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| 01:33:12 | XavierGr | one that can couple both iHPs |
| 01:33:26 | amiconn | Yes, that's what's needed for the test |
| 01:33:27 | sharpe | XavierGr: i know, but something is keeping me from embarking on a bug fix |
| 01:34:10 | sharpe | also considering many of the bug reports are concerning audio playback, something i have no knowledge about. |
| 01:34:11 | XavierGr | amiconn: I am at your service then... :P |
| 01:34:18 | amiconn | Basically you need to play some music on one h1x0, connect its optical out to the optical in of the other, and use the spdif monitor in the debug menu to check the channel status |
| 01:34:33 | XavierGr | ok give me a minute |
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| 01:35:10 | amiconn | You can do that with current cvs as a test; but we should do it properly and add our desired setting |
| 01:35:12 | XavierGr | amiconn: do I need to have rockbox on bith units? |
| 01:35:22 | XavierGr | ^both |
| 01:35:28 | amiconn | At least the receiver needs rockbox |
| 01:35:35 | XavierGr | ok |
| 01:35:39 | amiconn | But do you really use retailos?? |
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| 01:35:55 | XavierGr | the one is brand new H115 without rockbox installed |
| 01:36:15 | XavierGr | maybe I will sell it in the near future. (though I am not sure about it) |
| 01:36:53 | Mikachu | sell it with rockbox on |
| 01:37:12 | sharpe | confuse people. |
| 01:37:59 | preglow | amiconn: where would it be best to convert to mono, though? afaik, PDIR2 is always stereo, so we need to convert |
| 01:38:50 | amiconn | Hmpf, why must that be so difficult? |
| 01:39:12 | amiconn | We need to post-process the recorded data, it seems |
| 01:39:18 | preglow | yes |
| 01:39:26 | preglow | exactly, before it gets stored in the wav buffer |
| 01:39:35 | amiconn | We probably shoudln't do that in the isr |
| 01:39:50 | preglow | that's what i'm thinking too, in which case we need some new place |
| 01:40:09 | amiconn | Hmm, there's the code which calculates the peaks, |
| 01:42:36 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:42:40 | preglow | pcmrec_callback |
| 01:42:49 | XavierGr | amiconn: spdif works like a charm, though I can't hear anything while I am at the debug screen. As soon as I exit the record screen music stops |
| 01:43:38 | amiconn | Yes, you won't hear anything. The interesting part is the channel status word |
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| 01:44:09 | preglow | doesn't look like that can alter the sizes of the chunks |
| 01:44:14 | XavierGr | Channel 0 (unspecified) |
| 01:44:16 | preglow | so we probably need to do the conversion early |
| 01:44:30 | XavierGr | status word 00000000 |
| 01:44:50 | preglow | is optical out enabled? |
| 01:44:57 | XavierGr | ah? |
| 01:45:02 | preglow | it needs to be |
| 01:45:06 | amiconn | Ah, yes, forgot to say that |
| 01:45:07 | XavierGr | I had to enabled it too? sorry |
| 01:45:32 | preglow | the debug screen really should fix that itself, though |
| 01:45:42 | amiconn | preglow: I'll add that to the spdif analyzer when adding freqmeas |
| 01:45:50 | preglow | goodie |
| 01:46:33 | XavierGr | again all are zeroes? |
| 01:46:41 | sharpe | i love the descriptiveness of bug reports... |
| 01:46:42 | preglow | did nothing change? |
| 01:46:47 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, for analog monitoring of spdif input, I think it's better to clock the ebu from a fixed source rather than the uda |
| 01:46:48 | XavierGr | you mean as the receiver right? |
| 01:46:57 | amiconn | I'll change that to audioclk/4 |
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| 01:48:46 | preglow | are you sure it's sample rate*64? |
| 01:48:52 | preglow | i'm still almost positive it's 128 |
| 01:48:55 | XavierGr | again all are zeroes? |
| 01:49:05 | XavierGr | rockbox iHP is the receiver |
| 01:49:30 | XavierGr | the other transmits via optical out rockboxed H100 recieves via optical in |
| 01:49:42 | XavierGr | spdif set to on (out) |
| 01:50:07 | amiconn | preglow: It is, and in fact audioclk/4 is what playback uses as well |
| 01:50:14 | XavierGr | I can hear music when I am at the record screen. Once I leave music stops and the debug screen is filled with 0 values |
| 01:50:25 | amiconn | (EBUout clocked from SCLK2 and SCLK2 == audioclk/4 for 44.1) |
| 01:50:41 | preglow | amiconn: then what's up with having to divide by 128 in the freqmeas code? |
| 01:52:52 | XavierGr | is what I got supposed to be right? |
| 01:57:41 | amiconn | Your sourc eplayer uses iriver fw? |
| 01:58:04 | XavierGr | yes |
| 01:58:20 | preglow | several sources also say 128 times sample rate |
| 01:58:21 | amiconn | Hmm, and your receiving player has spdif power enabled? |
| 01:58:22 | XavierGr | I can install rockbox if you want |
| 01:58:26 | XavierGr | yes |
| 01:58:41 | amiconn | (i.e. the spdif out led is on all the time) |
| 01:59:07 | XavierGr | because it isn't laying it isn't full bright |
| 01:59:17 | XavierGr | but I can see a little red ligh |
| 01:59:20 | XavierGr | t |
| 01:59:28 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe the iriver fw doesn't set channel status either. No reason for us to be equally lazy |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | XavierGr | ok let me patch the H115 |
| 02:00:05 | amiconn | For further tests (rockbox setting the channel status) you will need rockbox on both |
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| 02:00:17 | ivan` | hi |
| 02:00:28 | ivan` | how is battery life on the iaudio x5 with rockbox right now? |
| 02:00:33 | ivan` | is it more than the 2 hours from the initial builds? |
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| 02:00:48 | Moos | never was 2 hours here |
| 02:00:48 | amiconn | Unfortunately I cannot monitor channel status with my archos, it only gives me half the bits |
| 02:01:43 | Moos | ivan: we have a better batterie runtime than that at the begining, but there are stiil lot of things to do |
| 02:01:57 | ivan` | i'll probably try it out then |
| 02:02:04 | ivan` | any estimates? |
| 02:02:20 | Moos | maybe 7-8 hours or something |
| 02:02:29 | ivan` | wow. |
| 02:02:39 | Moos | depending and which codec using, which settings... |
| 02:02:46 | Moos | s/and/on |
| 02:02:52 | ivan` | everything is ~240kbps mp3 here |
| 02:03:27 | Moos | mp3 was been optimized |
| 02:03:57 | ivan` | cool |
| 02:04:00 | Moos | go ahead and try it yourself, you will love Rockbox |
| 02:04:12 | Cassandra | Right, that's a letter written. |
| 02:04:20 | XavierGr | upgrading... |
| 02:04:21 | ivan` | i made a 4AA battery pack so i'm not too concerned |
| 02:04:29 | preglow | The frequency of the clock if twice the bitrate. <- about spdif |
| 02:04:57 | Moos | ivan: but you can just charge right? or can you playing at same time? |
| 02:05:15 | preglow | then i understand |
| 02:05:17 | ivan` | charge and play through the DC adapter |
| 02:05:24 | ivan` | it treats it as the power brick |
| 02:05:27 | Moos | cool |
| 02:05:46 | amiconn | preglow: Then why does playback use audioclk/4, and it works? |
| 02:05:53 | Moos | ivan: I thought to buy this thing, it's not too expensive |
| 02:06:04 | preglow | amiconn: because it's bit clock, not the actual signal clock |
| 02:06:13 | XavierGr | arghhh: nothing again |
| 02:06:16 | preglow | they're different, apparently |
| 02:06:33 | preglow | amiconn: the signal frequency is 128*sample rate, the bit rate is 64*sample rate |
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| 02:06:57 | preglow | this explains why i have to divide by 128 in freqmeas, since that measures the clock rate, not the bit rate |
| 02:07:30 | XavierGr | preglow, amiconn: I cant get other values than zeros |
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| 02:08:28 | nocloud | hey, does anybody know if rockbox works with anapod explorer? |
| 02:08:56 | preglow | nocloud: rockbox works with anything that just puts files on the ipod, no fancy-ass itunes database |
| 02:09:26 | XavierGr | what should I see normally? |
| 02:09:57 | Cassandra | nocloud: Probably not with more modern firmwares. |
| 02:10:34 | Cassandra | Apparently Apple did something to the iTunesDB that means it can't use files outside the database directory or something. |
| 02:11:21 | amiconn | preglow: Your spdif frequency measurement in th erecording screen is working fine with all spdif clocks the archos can produce |
| 02:11:24 | preglow | Cassandra: 2007? :P |
| 02:11:28 | amiconn | (8..48 kHz) |
| 02:11:50 | preglow | amiconn: good |
| 02:11:58 | amiconn | I can try to pitch up.... |
| 02:12:23 | Cassandra | I'm way ahead of my time. :) |
| 02:12:52 | amiconn | Hah, I'm producing a 96kHz spdif signal! With the archos! |
| 02:12:54 | Mikachu | when you're feeling down, pitch up! |
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| 02:14:15 | XavierGr | I wonder why it won't work for me. |
| 02:14:47 | preglow | amiconn: not too shabby |
| 02:14:54 | preglow | amiconn: what pitch factor? |
| 02:14:58 | preglow | 2005? |
| 02:14:58 | amiconn | 200% |
| 02:15:01 | preglow | hahah |
| 02:15:09 | amiconn | 48kHz mp3, pitch 200% |
| 02:15:21 | preglow | Cassandra: also you're lacking an 's' in pounds, other than that it looks good |
| 02:15:29 | amiconn | 183% produce 88.2, 150% produces 64kHz |
| 02:15:37 | preglow | hahah |
| 02:15:49 | preglow | overclocking by 200% |
| 02:15:50 | preglow | not bad' |
| 02:15:53 | amiconn | Very nice sweeping spdif source... |
| 02:16:35 | Cassandra | preglow: Cool. Still quite chuffed about having tracked down Dr. Cox. I love the Net sometimes. |
| 02:16:49 | amiconn | preglow: The fun thing is that the mas uses a pll internally, and it manages such a large range |
| 02:16:54 | preglow | Cassandra: let's just hope he has no issues with being tracked down, heh |
| 02:17:43 | Cassandra | Well, if he does, it's hard to see how it could make the situation worse. |
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| 02:19:35 | preglow | spontaneous combustion would do it |
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| 02:22:33 | preglow | but aight |
| 02:22:41 | preglow | it's high time for my tottering off |
| 02:22:43 | preglow | night all |
| 02:23:40 | XavierGr | night preglow |
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| 02:24:33 | amiconn | preglow: I don't think we need to enable uda recording for spdif in |
| 02:24:46 | amiconn | I'll check that |
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| 02:26:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=11302&pos=0 |
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| 02:26:50 | XavierGr | Inside Remote Scroll options reside: Scroll speed, step and delay |
| 02:27:07 | XavierGr | and with this we get rid of the settings buf for the remote |
| 02:28:19 | Albright | I'm hitting a snag at the step where I make a backup of my iPod's firmware. |
| 02:28:38 | Albright | But is this really necessary? Isn't Apple's iPod Updater utility capable of restoring the firmware? |
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| 02:29:19 | amiconn | If you use the ipod updater to restore, it will erase the whole harddisk |
| 02:29:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: Apple's updater is capable, but wipes all music. Also, there's no step that is exclusively backing it up. Just extracting it, as it's needed for later steps. |
| 02:29:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: What problem are you having with which step exactly? |
| 02:29:53 | Albright | Erasing the music is fine, since I have it all on my computer anyway... |
| 02:30:06 | Albright | Okay, I'm using the OS X instructions... |
| 02:30:09 | | Quit Daishi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:30:22 | Albright | Step 1c... |
| 02:30:26 | Albright | ./diskdump -r /dev/disk1 bootpartition.bin |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | [INFO] Reading partition table... |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | Bad boot sector signature |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | Part Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) |
| 02:30:44 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Albright |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | 0 0x90 -1073742912 2147481655 1572863 |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | 1 0xbf 9412 -1073733501 1572863 |
| 02:30:44 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:30:44 | Albright | 2 0xfe -1881115804 -1881100845 7 |
| 02:30:46 | Albright | 3 0x00 -2139062144 -2139062145 0 |
| 02:30:50 | Albright | [INFO] Seeking to sector -1073742912 |
| 02:30:52 | Albright | [WARN] Seek error - reading -1073742912 sectors instead |
| 02:30:57 | Albright | And the program seems to hang there and not do anything. |
| 02:31:25 | Albright | If it matters, mount said my iPod was at /dev/disk1s3 instead of /dev/disk1s2 as is given in the instructions... |
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| 02:32:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: You've already converted it to a FAT32 iPod? |
| 02:32:28 | Mikachu | that's not a good partition table, i can tell you that |
| 02:33:00 | Albright | Paul: Hmm. Is that necessary? Let me check. |
| 02:33:44 | Albright | Hmm, no, it's NFS+ |
| 02:33:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: Yes, it's required. That's why it says that it's required earlier in the steps. |
| 02:34:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's an "IMPORTANT NOTE" there |
| 02:34:34 | infamis | anyone else having a lot of problems as of recently? |
| 02:34:40 | Albright | Hmm, I see now. Yet the instructions to do that are BELOW the Rockbox installation instructions... That's funky. |
| 02:34:55 | Albright | I just skipped ahead to Step 1... |
| 02:35:20 | infamis | my girl left me, I'm failing classes, can't keep up with rent, etc. |
| 02:35:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: The instruction how are at the end, but the step that tells you to GO to them is in the Introduction |
| 02:35:41 | Mikachu | infamis: have you tried latest cvs? |
| 02:35:48 | Albright | Well, I skipped the introduction and just went to step 1. :P |
| 02:36:05 | Albright | Anyway, I'll go hook this thing up to the Dell and FAT32 it, I guess. |
| 02:36:05 | Mikachu | infamis: i had to hire security to keep the girls out after i upgraded |
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| 02:36:28 | infamis | Mikachu: lol just kidding about the real-life problems; latest cvs I tried was yesterday |
| 02:36:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: There are instructions for converting it to FAT32 on a MacOS machine, assuming you have one of the models we have partition tables for. |
| 02:36:44 | Mikachu | i figured, i was apparently joking too |
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| 02:37:09 | infamis | The main thing I'm having is that pausing pauses like a second late for some reason with pause-fade disabled |
| 02:37:16 | infamis | and other unresponsiveness issues |
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| 02:39:15 | sharpe | woo! i get spam in spanish now |
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| 02:40:14 | sharpe | wait, no. not spanish. portuguese |
| 02:40:45 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:42:37 | infamis | anyone know how to set up cygwin w/o downloading & w/o local packages? |
| 02:42:59 | Moos | infamis: playback is far to be bugfree, lostlogic working on it |
| 02:43:54 | Moos | infamis: what do you mean? |
| 02:44:05 | infamis | Moos: I understand that; it was pretty good but then now I'm having these issues |
| 02:44:18 | Moos | lostlogic is aware about |
| 02:44:32 | infamis | Moos: all I have is my c:\cygwin directory |
| 02:44:33 | Moos | he just need to find time to work on it I guess |
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| 02:45:44 | Moos | which packages have you? cause you have to download all the necessary packages for build Rockbox |
| 02:46:24 | infamis | Technically I have the installed packages, but not the installation packages |
| 02:46:45 | Moos | oh? |
| 02:46:48 | infamis | I copied a working cygwin install from one drive to this drive but doesn't seem to work |
| 02:46:58 | infamis | had to send the other drive out for an exchnage |
| 02:47:11 | infamis | I would hate to have to redownload all of 'em |
| 02:47:20 | Moos | why not restart one new clean dowload/installation? |
| 02:47:26 | Moos | ah :( |
| 02:47:34 | Moos | that's relatively quick |
| 02:47:53 | infamis | downloading took all day the last time! |
| 02:47:58 | infamis | maybe just a slow mirror? |
| 02:48:01 | Moos | oh :( |
| 02:48:15 | Moos | you probably used one crappy mirror |
| 02:48:19 | Moos | try with others |
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| 02:48:40 | XavierGr | ok time to sleep |
| 02:48:44 | XavierGr | good night every one. |
| 02:48:51 | Moos | good night Xavier |
| 02:49:32 | infamis | bed @ 8pm...lol sorry you're probably on the other side of the world ;) |
| 02:49:34 | Moos | infamis: did you try vmware yet ? |
| 02:49:46 | Moos | 02:49 am here :) |
| 02:50:02 | infamis | Moos: That's linux under windows? |
| 02:50:29 | Moos | yeah one image of necessary packages from linux |
| 02:50:34 | | Part nocloud |
| 02:50:48 | Moos | so far better for build |
| 02:50:56 | Moos | speed up the things a lot |
| 02:51:29 | infamis | I used to build with Debian but that was on the bad hard drive & just did a quick win2k isntall a couple days ago |
| 02:51:48 | Moos | ok |
| 02:51:49 | infamis | It's probably just some env. variables that I need to mess with to get cygwin working |
| 02:53:16 | Moos | anyway, time for sleep a bit, wake up in 4 hours :-) |
| 02:53:28 | Moos | infamis: good luck |
| 02:53:41 | infamis | lol you need double that amount |
| 02:53:49 | Moos | and good *day* :) |
| 02:53:52 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 02:53:58 | Moos | ciao |
| 02:54:01 | | Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") |
| 02:54:03 | infamis | yup, bye |
| 02:54:29 | infamis | "Glory to Rockbox!!!" ??? lol |
| 02:55:43 | JdGordon | who knows which letters are completly illegal in fat32 file names? |
| 02:56:09 | sharpe | ones you don't use very often in file naming? |
| 02:56:12 | sharpe | :D |
| 02:56:32 | JdGordon | like is $ or * not allowed? |
| 02:56:46 | sharpe | i think $, but not *... |
| 02:57:30 | JdGordon | ok thanx |
| 02:57:55 | sharpe | welcome |
| 02:58:31 | sharpe | "/\*?<>|: are illegal in fat32 i suppose... |
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| 02:59:21 | Rori | Hey is anyone going to put the rockbox.ipod file in the latest build? it's missing |
| 02:59:48 | amiconn | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf p. 29 |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:43 | Rori | also anyone know when rockbox image viewer will fill the screen. Apples inbuilt viewer with thumbs is far superior. Dunno who makes the plugin for Rockbox but it could do with some work :) Oh and Rockbox could do with some color on those iPod screens ;) |
| 03:01:15 | amiconn | \ and / are forbidden by the OS, not the file system |
| 03:01:33 | | Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat") |
| 03:01:46 | sharpe | oh well. |
| 03:01:49 | sharpe | i tried. |
| 03:01:51 | sharpe | but failed. |
| 03:04:02 | | Join midnight3 [0] (n=user@216.237.230.106) |
| 03:04:40 | midnight3 | can someone help me with final step with rockbox just b4 u enjoy rockbox step |
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| 03:12:33 | | Quit midnight3 () |
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| 03:20:35 | Mikachu | amiconn: no file system would allow / unless it was _very_ strange |
| 03:23:59 | JdGordon | so is * definatly illegal? |
| 03:24:04 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:24:12 | JdGordon | great, them im done :D |
| 03:24:20 | sharpe | with what? |
| 03:24:33 | JdGordon | surprise :D |
| 03:24:40 | JdGordon | bbl |
| 03:25:22 | sharpe | lol... |
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| 03:33:43 | scorche | tor eh? |
| 03:34:50 | suppo | tor rulez .) |
| 03:35:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:36:31 | scorche | if you say so |
| 03:36:58 | scorche | a gigantic proxy that everyones using to be giant douches, sucking down tons of bandwidth, ends up getting all the servers banned, doesnt stop the gov from pinpointing who sent what, plus quasi honeypot for servers to analyze all unencrypted data or anyone who is a last point through the network |
| 03:37:31 | scorche | they could have spent the effort into actual security... |
| 03:38:27 | suppo | i dont care much about the encryption, i just need any proxy to tunnel through a firewall, and tor works just fine for that purpose... |
| 03:38:55 | scorche | www.freeproxies.com |
| 03:38:58 | scorche | or such |
| 03:39:06 | scorche | and you dont have to install something... |
| 03:39:19 | scorche | and i am sure that it is much faster than tor |
| 03:39:51 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:39:51 | * | dongs checks the channel name |
| 03:40:15 | suppo | tried that, most of them didnt work, too much hassle to find a working one, tor figures it out by itself... and speed is not an issue for irc unless you leech files which i dont. |
| 03:40:15 | dongs | tor has never been used for anythign but abuse |
| 03:40:22 | scorche | dongs: i wouldnt be saying much..you are tehone that is always bashing linux |
| 03:42:06 | Galois | I usually agree with what the EFF does but tor is an exception. Some of the abuses are not a good tradeoff. |
| 03:42:24 | dongs | tor is loved by GNAA. |
| 03:42:37 | scorche | https://uio7ucmgt6uzwcc*.onion/ |
| 03:42:37 | dongs | and next version will be even better when they get rid of the centralized node directory. |
| 03:42:47 | scorche | guess the asterisk, and you get all the CP you can fathom! |
| 03:43:20 | * | suppo checks the channel name ;) |
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| 03:46:22 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 03:48:18 | RoC_MM | actually I've seen lots of non-abusive tor usage |
| 03:48:23 | suppo | rock me amadeus!:) |
| 03:48:38 | RoC_MM | therefore it's "never been used for anything other than abuse" has nothing to do with reality |
| 03:48:59 | scorche | RoC_MM: keep in mind that is was dongs who said that ;) |
| 03:49:31 | RoC_MM | i haven't seen dongs yet |
| 03:49:35 | RoC_MM | here |
| 03:49:57 | scorche | o_O |
| 03:50:48 | RoC_MM | he must have a reputation |
| 03:53:37 | Falco98 | someone fill me in as to what "tor" is? |
| 03:53:46 | Falco98 | (am i showing my n00b card?) |
| 03:54:34 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 |
| 03:54:42 | Falco98 | ah |
| 03:54:46 | suppo | tor.eff.org |
| 03:54:55 | Falco98 | all i had to hear was "tor anonymity" and i realize... |
| 03:55:11 | Falco98 | (i even have the installer sitting in my 'freeware' folder.. just never installed it) |
| 03:57:02 | RoC_MM | torpark maybe easier to use |
| 03:57:14 | RoC_MM | torpark is a combination of portable firefox and tor |
| 03:57:32 | RoC_MM | you just double click and it opens a packaged version of firefox that autoconnects to tor |
| 03:57:35 | RoC_MM | very easy |
| 03:58:04 | scorche | well, there is an extension to FF that adds an on/off button for tor browsing |
| 03:58:08 | suppo | tor is slow for web surfing, for irc it makes no difference |
| 03:58:15 | RoC_MM | dpeends |
| 03:58:23 | RoC_MM | it used to be slow but recently it's not so bad |
| 03:58:31 | RoC_MM | some people say they don't really notice |
| 03:58:58 | scorche | well, it all depends on if you get a good line of servers |
| 03:59:20 | scorche | i got 1.8 kb/s off of a save picture the other day...i would call that slow |
| 03:59:35 | RoC_MM | sure |
| 03:59:38 | RoC_MM | and 1.8kb/sec isn't tor speed |
| 03:59:41 | RoC_MM | it was just your speed |
| 03:59:43 | RoC_MM | with your circuit |
| 03:59:47 | RoC_MM | which changes every 10 minutes |
| 03:59:51 | scorche | exactly....like i said above... |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:01 | RoC_MM | and tor isn't written to provide faster access |
| 04:00:08 | RoC_MM | it's written to provide more private access |
| 04:00:12 | RoC_MM | to which it succeeds |
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| 04:00:34 | scorche | more?, yes....but not very secure overall |
| 04:00:47 | scorche | see my messages above (the long one) |
| 04:01:18 | RoC_MM | it seems more rantish than reasoned |
| 04:01:43 | RoC_MM | and you really haven't provided any support for your statements |
| 04:01:49 | RoC_MM | but it really odesn't bother me |
| 04:03:09 | scorche | true, but i dont have the time atm to put together something else....not like it really matters anyway |
| 04:03:41 | * | scorche looks for food |
| 04:03:59 | * | suppo looks for beer |
| 04:04:28 | * | dongs looks for lunix users |
| 04:04:49 | * | Mikachu hides |
| 04:04:53 | * | scorche waves at dongs |
| 04:05:00 | Mikachu | gentoo broke my glibc, but i fixed it right back |
| 04:05:05 | * | suppo pulls dongs |
| 04:05:05 | RoC_MM | if you think tor could be impoved then tor has done great work, just contribute to that project |
| 04:14:51 | * | Falco98 wonders if he should give u guys some privacy... |
| 04:15:14 | JdGordon | is recursion in rb really slow? like should i always try to make it a loop instead of recursive calls? |
| 04:15:25 | Falco98 | hey JdG |
| 04:15:33 | Falco98 | i didn't notice you come in |
| 04:15:38 | JdGordon | hey |
| 04:15:39 | Falco98 | thanks for writing my patch :-D |
| 04:15:50 | JdGordon | no probs, ive just got it working perfectly :D |
| 04:15:56 | JdGordon | ill do a compile for ya if u want |
| 04:15:57 | Falco98 | oh? |
| 04:16:06 | Falco98 | what did you change compared to the version you posted earlier? |
| 04:16:18 | Falco98 | (and, did you get my 2 messages from within the past hour or so?) |
| 04:16:48 | hardeep | JdGordon: i took a look at the patch... it probably won't make it into cvs in it's current form... |
| 04:16:51 | JdGordon | i changed the way it stores the found directories.. much more memory efficient now and can store up to 2048.. and havnt checked |
| 04:17:00 | Falco98 | nice |
| 04:17:09 | JdGordon | hardeep: why? |
| 04:17:12 | Falco98 | how does / did it store found directories? |
| 04:17:31 | hardeep | JdGordon: it uses too much memory, is inefficient and imposes an unnecessary 32 dir limit on archos devices |
| 04:17:44 | JdGordon | hardeep: yep thats all fixed |
| 04:17:48 | | Part Rori |
| 04:17:50 | JdGordon | MUCH more memory efficient now |
| 04:17:52 | hardeep | JdGordon: you don't really need to traverse the entire directory tree first |
| 04:18:17 | JdGordon | ? |
| 04:18:42 | Falco98 | JG have you considered simply saving a list of the start / end indices of the albums-so-far in the playlist, and when you get to a new one, simply inserting it into a "random" spot? |
| 04:18:55 | Falco98 | that's what was in the text snippet i posted on the tracker |
| 04:19:16 | JdGordon | im not sure that works.. |
| 04:20:07 | Falco98 | i'd think there would be a way |
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| 04:20:39 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox.iriver http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/new_insert_dirs_randomly.patch <- precompiled and the new patch |
| 04:20:57 | Falco98 | basically u just take an array (or LL perhaps?) which stores the index positions or # of tracks in each folder inserted-so-far |
| 04:21:22 | JdGordon | hardeep: if your not busy, mind looking at that new patch and see if its closer to being acceptable? |
| 04:21:41 | Falco98 | and when u insert a new folder, choose a "random" position in the array so far, and insert the new album into a position between 2 of the entries, using their contents to calculate the index on the playlist |
| 04:21:48 | JdGordon | Falco98: im not sure how the direcotry listing code works, and i dont think u can do that |
| 04:22:31 | JdGordon | back in 5 |
| 04:22:52 | Falco98 | k |
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| 04:26:11 | Falco98 | is rockbox.iriver the only file i really need to change to use a slightly-newer-build? |
| 04:26:39 | RoC_MM | no? |
| 04:26:50 | RoC_MM | [isn't sure] |
| 04:26:50 | Falco98 | hm |
| 04:26:51 | JdGordon | back |
| 04:26:56 | Falco98 | i mean, a slightly-newer-compile |
| 04:27:06 | JdGordon | Falco98: ye, that shoiuld work by itself |
| 04:27:12 | Falco98 | cool |
| 04:28:29 | JdGordon | it still needs more work. lemme know how slow it feels on the player |
| 04:28:44 | Falco98 | ok |
| 04:28:55 | Falco98 | i'll try it in a minute i think.. in the middle of an album now O:-) |
| 04:29:05 | JdGordon | haha ok |
| 04:29:08 | Falco98 | plus i have no taskbar, so i can't use "safely remove hardware" atm |
| 04:29:16 | Falco98 | (my windows is b0rked) |
| 04:29:32 | JdGordon | if u didnt write anything to it then u dont ned tow oryy abuot hat |
| 04:29:48 | Falco98 | anyway.. what do you think won't work about what hardeep and I say about using folder indexes to insert, instead of a whole tree traversal? |
| 04:30:20 | JdGordon | becuase the folder indexes cant be stored when u go into subfolders... |
| 04:30:29 | Falco98 | nono |
| 04:30:37 | Falco98 | i think you've got the wrong idea about this |
| 04:30:51 | Falco98 | when u start inserting folders, create a new (empty) array |
| 04:30:56 | Falco98 | (array of integers) |
| 04:31:21 | Falco98 | insert the first folder in the tree, it has 12 tracks, so make array[0] "12" |
| 04:32:21 | Falco98 | go to insert the 2nd folder in the tree. pick a random position (in this case, 0 or 1 i guess). if it's 0, insert its tracks at the beginning of the playlist, if it's 1, insert it starting at position "12" |
| 04:32:44 | JdGordon | OOHHH... hmm... that sounds good |
| 04:32:58 | Falco98 | and now add an entry to the array (let's say it's 15 tracks), so now the array is "12" then "15" |
| 04:32:59 | * | JdGordon only read the transcript half asleep |
| 04:33:06 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 04:33:36 | Falco98 | and each time, just pick a random spot to insert the folder at, calculate what index to insert it based on array[0] ++++ array[i] |
| 04:33:57 | Falco98 | my programming is rusty, so u or hardeep may have more programming-sound ways of doing that |
| 04:34:13 | Falco98 | i think he proposed a slightly-different-way which basically did the same thing, but i forget |
| 04:34:38 | JdGordon | ye, that sounds much better. ill try it |
| 04:34:42 | hardeep | JdGordon: the approach that Falco98 describes would mean that you could do this all on the stack so you wouldn't waste any memory and you could insert tracks as you're traversing the directories so performance would improve |
| 04:34:43 | Falco98 | but that way, you don't really need *any* memory (how big does an array of small integers get?), and no pre-churning |
| 04:35:20 | hardeep | and, you could do all of this within playlist_insert_directory()->add_directory_to_playlist() to save code |
| 04:35:26 | hardeep | er, to reuse code |
| 04:35:26 | Falco98 | and the only tricky part is adjusting the array each time to contain the new int at the right spot |
| 04:35:41 | * | Falco98 agrees with hardeep (again) |
| 04:37:15 | hardeep | one minor issue in onplay with your current code: we probably shouldn't shuffle the entire playlist in this mode −− kind of defeats the purpose =) |
| 04:38:15 | JdGordon | when would it get shuffled other than if the user specifically asked it to be? |
| 04:39:12 | hardeep | JdGordon: i thought the idea was to shuffle the order the directories are played but not the order of the tracks within the directories |
| 04:39:34 | hardeep | by calling playlist_shuffle(), you're shuffling everything |
| 04:39:52 | JdGordon | but it would only be called if they user asks for it to be shuffled.. no? |
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| 04:40:39 | hardeep | JdGordon: yes, but this option should supersede the global shuffle setting imp |
| 04:40:54 | JdGordon | ah, ok |
| 04:41:08 | hardeep | if the user selected to insert the directory in this fashion then they probably don't want a full shuffle =) |
| 04:41:09 | haloo | i have one quick question, if i upgrade teh ipod with this firmware, would i be able to use the ipod with my car with no issues? |
| 04:41:29 | JdGordon | depends how u connect it to your car |
| 04:41:38 | hardeep | haloo: depends on how you want to use it in your car |
| 04:42:03 | haloo | using a headunit that comes "ipod ready" |
| 04:42:13 | haloo | like alpine |
| 04:42:19 | JdGordon | u plug it in through the dock connector? |
| 04:42:46 | haloo | yes |
| 04:42:59 | JdGordon | then no.. thats not supported yet iirc |
| 04:43:24 | JdGordon | unless it only uses the audio-out from the connector and doesnt try controlling playback through it |
| 04:44:02 | JdGordon | hardeep: would a loop be much faster than recursion for this? |
| 04:44:08 | haloo | i see, thanks. |
| 04:44:33 | hardeep | JdGordon: i don't think recursion is the cause of the slowdown |
| 04:44:56 | hardeep | JdGordon: I can't think of a clean way of doing a loop when dealing with subdirectories |
| 04:45:21 | JdGordon | not so clean, but it could be done.. ok ill do it recursivly and see how slow it is |
| 04:45:41 | Falco98 | JdGordon: are you working on the 'new' version now, then? |
| 04:45:46 | hardeep | the reason the current version is slow is because you're traversing the directories twice, once to get the name and the second time to insert |
| 04:46:09 | JdGordon | and doing about 15 for(..) loops :D |
| 04:46:30 | hardeep | hehe, the loops are not so bad |
| 04:46:52 | Falco98 | JD and Hardeep: where are u guys, geographically? |
| 04:47:00 | Falco98 | [if you don't mind saying] |
| 04:47:03 | hardeep | JdGordon: unrelated question for you: are you still working on the button mapping stuff you had e-mailed about last month? |
| 04:47:14 | hardeep | Falco98: San Francisco, USA |
| 04:47:23 | JdGordon | Falco98: 140 Lat, 39 Long :D |
| 04:47:37 | JdGordon | down under actually |
| 04:47:38 | Falco98 | JdGordon: hmm.. i'm bad at math :-P |
| 04:47:46 | Falco98 | ahh gotcha |
| 04:47:50 | Falco98 | so it's morning there |
| 04:48:22 | Falco98 | my brother is currently working on a boat somewhere near Los Angeles |
| 04:48:24 | JdGordon | hardeep: i havnt really touched it since then.. once 3.0 is out hen i guess it can get some attention again |
| 04:48:50 | JdGordon | its 12.47pm here... |
| 04:49:17 | Falco98 | ahh gotcha |
| 04:49:18 | hardeep | JdGordon: ah, okay... there was an extension to that I was thinking about - user configuration key bindings |
| 04:49:35 | hardeep | the stuff you were doing would be the first step to that |
| 04:49:47 | hardeep | er, that should be user configurable key bindings |
| 04:50:17 | JdGordon | ye that would be good.. |
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| 04:58:05 | Falco98 | *crickets chirping* |
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| 05:00:30 | * | sharpe coughs. |
| 05:00:56 | JdGordon | well.. its coded... just gotta figure out why its crashing :D |
| 05:01:09 | * | sharpe goes off the the land of unconsciousness due to sleep |
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| 05:01:20 | JdGordon | enjoy |
| 05:01:25 | sharpe | will do. |
| 05:01:39 | sharpe | what were you working on anyway? |
| 05:01:49 | JdGordon | randlomly adding dirs |
| 05:01:53 | sharpe | ah |
| 05:01:59 | sharpe | something i don't think i'll use. |
| 05:02:01 | sharpe | 'kay |
| 05:02:08 | JdGordon | haha.. prob not a good idea to do j = rand() % (*index); when *index can be 0 :D |
| 05:02:24 | sharpe | probably not... |
| 05:03:06 | sharpe | sleep time, 'night. |
| 05:03:19 | hardeep | bbl |
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| 05:04:42 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:05:58 | JdGordon | it works!! |
| 05:06:05 | JdGordon | i mean.. it works :) |
| 05:06:18 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 05:06:18 | Falco98 | yay! |
| 05:06:37 | Falco98 | how's it work? |
| 05:06:47 | JdGordon | your algo |
| 05:07:00 | Falco98 | do you make an array of album-sizes and insert the new one at the position you added its tracks? |
| 05:07:07 | JdGordon | yup |
| 05:07:25 | JdGordon | patch time.. |
| 05:09:08 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/new_insert_dirs_randomly.patch |
| 05:09:44 | Falco98 | this the new one? |
| 05:09:50 | JdGordon | yup |
| 05:09:55 | Falco98 | k |
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| 05:13:11 | Falco98 | does it test out ok? or have you not run it yet |
| 05:13:32 | JdGordon | i just ran it on my h300 and it works except 1 folder was put in the midle of another one |
| 05:13:57 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 05:14:09 | Falco98 | so some index has gotten itself confused? |
| 05:14:27 | JdGordon | looks like something like that |
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| 05:17:51 | * | JdGordon waits for hardeep to return... |
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| 05:18:17 | JdGordon | im not sure how the playlist addds the dir at the position.. is it before or after that index?? |
| 05:18:48 | Falco98 | that sounds like something you need to do a simple-case test on |
| 05:18:53 | Falco98 | (such as, 2 folders) |
| 05:18:59 | JdGordon | cbf :D |
| 05:19:16 | Falco98 | and if you have it set wrong, one folder will go after like the 1st track of the previous one |
| 05:20:34 | JdGordon | bbl.. |
| 05:20:53 | Falco98 | k |
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| 05:29:39 | haloo | hey i just install rockbox using this instruction http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot , but i'm getting this erro rockbox error -1 |
| 05:29:57 | haloo | yes i have .rockbox on the root directory ( E:/) |
| 05:30:28 | haloo | i downloaded the lastest firmware ( ipod photo ) any help |
| 05:31:31 | haloo | ? |
| 05:31:57 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 05:32:18 | Falco98 | have you made a post in the forum already? |
| 05:33:12 | haloo | nop... |
| 05:33:35 | Albright | Same thing's happening with me. It just goes to the original firmware.... |
| 05:33:46 | Albright | Maybe the current build is bad? |
| 05:35:09 | haloo | yup, i'm going to try anotherone |
| 05:35:19 | haloo | Albright: did you fix yours? |
| 05:35:26 | Albright | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodnano |
| 05:35:42 | Albright | Look at the file sizes... The one for today is nearly half the size as yesterday's... |
| 05:35:47 | Falco98 | sorry guys, i'm not a dev.. plus need to go to bed now :-P |
| 05:35:50 | haloo | i have ipod photo |
| 05:35:56 | Falco98 | good luck tho, and definitely make some noise on the fourms |
| 05:35:58 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 05:36:22 | haloo | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodcolor |
| 05:36:27 | haloo | same with the ipod photo |
| 05:36:39 | Albright | Odd. |
| 05:36:49 | Albright | I'm downloading yesterday's now. I'll give that a try. |
| 05:37:03 | haloo | let me try tthe old one |
| 05:37:33 | webguest11 | yesterday's is no good. use 0509 |
| 05:37:45 | Albright | Okay. |
| 05:37:56 | haloo | webguest11: for my ipod too? |
| 05:38:14 | webguest11 | yup. 0510 and 0511 are both broken. |
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| 05:40:17 | haloo | webguest11; thanks, is working now |
| 05:40:18 | haloo | =) |
| 05:41:35 | webguest11 | sure. |
| 05:42:16 | webguest11 | i don't know what happened between 0509 and 0510, but something broke. |
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| 05:51:41 | midkay | don't you guys read cvs logs? :) |
| 05:52:03 | midkay | they're half the size on purpose: fonts were removed from the packages. |
| 05:52:33 | RoC_MM | are small fonts back? |
| 05:52:49 | midkay | small fonts? back? |
| 05:55:18 | | Quit webguest11 ("CGI:IRC") |
| 05:55:34 | RoC_MM | why are fonts smaller now? |
| 05:55:41 | RoC_MM | the default font was tiny before |
| 05:56:05 | midkay | not sure what you mean. they aren't smaller. |
| 05:56:44 | RoC_MM | hmmm |
| 05:56:48 | RoC_MM | are packages half the size? |
| 05:57:05 | midkay | yes, model-specific download packages are around half the size. |
| 05:57:41 | RoC_MM | okays |
| 05:57:58 | RoC_MM | somehow the word fonts must have appeared |
| 05:58:02 | RoC_MM | it must be late |
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| 05:58:16 | midkay | yes, i said, the fonts were removed from the packages. |
| 05:58:19 | ivan` | how do I install rockbox on the X5? I only have a .rockbox, not that and a rockbox.iaudio |
| 05:58:22 | midkay | not reduced in size.. removed. |
| 05:58:38 | midkay | ivan`, try a CVS build, that was fixed recently. |
| 05:58:45 | ivan` | ah thanks |
| 05:59:01 | RoC_MM | ahh |
| 05:59:10 | RoC_MM | is there still a default font included? |
| 05:59:19 | midkay | RoC_MM, the fonts are now available as a seperate zip on the daily builds page. |
| 05:59:34 | RoC_MM | K. |
| 05:59:51 | midkay | it just saves download time, server bandwidth and installation/unzip time, since the fonts changed like once in an eternity. |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:01 | midkay | no reason to redownload/reinstall them all every time. |
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| 06:00:21 | RoC_MM | mmm |
| 06:00:23 | RoC_MM | that does make sense |
| 06:00:40 | ivan` | x5_fw.bin from 2006-05-04 is the latest dual-boot loader, right? |
| 06:01:16 | midkay | if it says so, i suppose :) |
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| 06:04:02 | ivan` | firmware upgrade... |
| 06:04:41 | ivan` | haha it works |
| 06:06:47 | ivan` | damn this is responsive compared to that POS stock firmware |
| 06:07:47 | ivan` | damn this kicks ass |
| 06:07:49 | ivan` | ayeeeee |
| 06:08:19 | ivan` | maybe someone will get a clue and use rockbox as the default for their player |
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| 06:17:24 | Albright | Hmm, okay, now it's working... Don't see how to get it to play music, though. Select "rockbox" from the main menu? |
| 06:17:43 | midkay | Albright, huh? model? |
| 06:18:44 | Albright | iPod nano... Hmm, I'm seeing I have to do special steps to get it to recognise the iTunes-installed music... |
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| 06:22:26 | RoC_MM | it's been helpfully renamed to random filenames in random folders |
| 06:22:37 | RoC_MM | it's really been quite obfustacated |
| 06:22:54 | RoC_MM | I do thing TagCache would allow you to start playing music right away though |
| 06:23:18 | RoC_MM | Most people discard their iTunes/iPod_control folder and use Rockbox as a regular file-tree based music player |
| 06:24:07 | Albright | Well, I want to still be able to work with the original firmware, 'cuz I have some stuff I've bought from iTMS I still want to use... |
| 06:24:58 | RoC_MM | leave that in |
| 06:25:08 | RoC_MM | remove the rest of the stuff and load it right onto the drive in folders |
| 06:25:14 | RoC_MM | or better yet |
| 06:25:26 | RoC_MM | remove that DRm they encumbered it with |
| 06:25:31 | RoC_MM | eventually you'll lose that music |
| 06:25:36 | RoC_MM | you need to convert it |
| 06:25:41 | RoC_MM | like with hymn or something |
| 06:26:07 | ivan` | does the latest CVS have a broken "now playing" screen? |
| 06:30:11 | Albright | Might try that. The Tag Cache updating thing doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 06:34:02 | ivan` | everything sounds different with rockbox. the hdd spindown and the DSP discharge |
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| 06:55:07 | midkay | Albright, it updates in the background.. when your disk shuts down, you'll know it |
| 06:55:09 | midkay | it's done. |
| 06:56:22 | Albright | But the nano has flash memory... |
| 06:56:28 | ivan` | if i waited for rockbox i wouldn't have wasted 6 days of my life writing a sync script that worked within a bunch of stupid limitations |
| 06:56:41 | midkay | ah, that just occurred.. well, the disk icon in the upper right corner is shown if files are being accessed. |
| 06:56:45 | midkay | wait for it to turn off, then. |
| 06:56:46 | ivan` | it's so good you'll want to void your warranty :( |
| 06:56:53 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:57:41 | Albright | The icon to the right of the time display? Okay, that's been off for some time... |
| 06:57:42 | ivan` | namil-8 owns |
| 06:58:04 | midkay | Albright, yes. that one. the update from scratch would only take like a minute for nano, i'd imagine. |
| 06:58:33 | dongs | hm |
| 06:59:03 | Albright | So now I shut it down, right? |
| 06:59:10 | midkay | yes, reboot it.. |
| 06:59:12 | Albright | Turning it back on... |
| 06:59:39 | midkay | then just switch to id3 browser "show files" mode with the quickscreen (hold MENU in the browser) or in general settings - file view - show files. |
| 07:00 |
| 07:01:30 | Albright | Hmm, it doesn't seem to be showing everything, but this is a start... |
| 07:01:42 | midkay | it'd be showing anything that was supported. |
| 07:02:01 | Albright | Oh, wait, I forgot to transfer those things in iTunes, so you're right, it's probably showing everything. |
| 07:02:09 | dj-fu | does tag cache work? |
| 07:02:16 | midkay | in fact it does. |
| 07:02:21 | Albright | So do I have to rebuild the tag cache every time I transfer stuff with iTunes? |
| 07:02:23 | dj-fu | I just set mine to id3 database in show files mode and it said 'tag cache is not ready' |
| 07:03:38 | Albright | Thanks for all your help, midkay. I think I've got what I wanted now. |
| 07:03:51 | midkay | dj-fu, try rebooting your unit. |
| 07:03:54 | midkay | Albright, no problem. |
| 07:03:56 | JdGordon | go into the playback options and go "force tag update" |
| 07:04:17 | midkay | JdGordon, the 'not ready' message seems to fix itself with a reboot each time i use it.. |
| 07:04:19 | dj-fu | does a tag update take a while? |
| 07:04:38 | midkay | seems to be as a result of an incomplete update, e.g. it automatically or manually updated the database files but you need to reboot to commit them. |
| 07:04:44 | JdGordon | oh ok.. i just assumed it means the cache hasnt been built.. i dont actually use tagcahce |
| 07:04:49 | JdGordon | hardeep: around? |
| 07:04:59 | dj-fu | it's got the little disk access icon in the top right, maybe it's doing something |
| 07:05:56 | dj-fu | lol, under tag cache info in the debug thing |
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| 07:05:59 | dj-fu | it says progress -1% |
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| 07:07:46 | dj-fu | maybe it's borked in this daily build i'm using |
| 07:08:00 | JdGordon | for a tag update... |
| 07:08:03 | JdGordon | and reboot.. |
| 07:08:09 | JdGordon | and throw it aganst the wall.. |
| 07:08:19 | midkay | wait for the update to finish, of course. the disk access icon means 'busy'. |
| 07:08:31 | dj-fu | I think it's getting stuck trying to access the disk |
| 07:08:37 | dj-fu | this was happening earlier actually on song change |
| 07:11:32 | midkay | playback' |
| 07:11:38 | midkay | playback's still a bit screwy. |
| 07:11:46 | midkay | i've never had any disk access problems outside playback.. |
| 07:18:54 | ivan` | i have a 100x100 px bmp with a wps that supports album art, but it's not using it |
| 07:19:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | ivan`: Is your build patched to support album art? |
| 07:20:12 | ivan` | probably not |
| 07:20:18 | ivan` | latest CVS for the X5 |
| 07:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would be why it doesn't work. Album Art doesn't exist in the official CVS yet. |
| 07:21:22 | ivan` | would i have to build it myself? |
| 07:21:35 | ivan` | heh i'll go google |
| 07:21:40 | Albright | So do I have to rebuild the tag cache every time I transfer stuff with iTunes? |
| 07:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | ivan`: Yeah, you'd have to build it yourself |
| 07:23:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Albright: It depends. If you have dircache enabled, and tagcache set to memory, it should show up after a reboot, I believe. You transfer, it boots, dircache detects new files, then the next time you reboot TagCache should commit again. I think. If it's not in memory, then yeah, I believe you have to force it each time so far. |
| 07:23:13 | * | Paul_The_Nerd could be wrong |
| 07:23:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Things change without me noticing often enough. ;-) |
| 07:23:30 | ivan` | is the album art too buggy to be committed? |
| 07:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | ivan`: We're in feature freeze. It's against the rules for it to be committed. It's also waiting on some changes to how metadata is buffered, I *think* |
| 07:24:34 | ivan` | got it |
| 07:24:41 | ivan` | i found a patched version on a forum |
| 07:27:07 | hardeep | JdGordon: back |
| 07:28:29 | JdGordon | hey |
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| 07:29:43 | hardeep | i took a look at your new patch −− definitely moving in the right direction =) |
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| 07:30:01 | hardeep | i noticed a couple of bugs in the logic though |
| 07:30:09 | JdGordon | ye? |
| 07:31:15 | hardeep | the dir_indicies are not being set properly |
| 07:31:42 | JdGordon | that could be why it likes putting folders towards the end of other ones instead of after them.. |
| 07:31:51 | hardeep | namely, you're almost certainly not inserting at album boundaries |
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| 07:32:34 | JdGordon | whats the bug? it looks ok to me? |
| 07:32:38 | hardeep | you need to update at index r and shift everything after |
| 07:32:56 | hardeep | that way your track counts correspond to real album boundaries |
| 07:34:20 | ivan` | wow it works |
| 07:34:58 | dongs | erm |
| 07:35:01 | dongs | is todays daily build |
| 07:35:03 | dongs | fucked on mini1g? |
| 07:35:08 | dongs | it doesnt boot past the logo |
| 07:35:27 | hardeep | a couple of other observations: 1. no need to make the array static, just reduce the maximum number of sub folders to something like 512 and leave the array on the stack |
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| 07:36:14 | hardeep | 2. it would be cool if you rolled this logic directly into the playlist_insert_directory/add_directory_to_playlist calls to avoid redundancy |
| 07:36:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Because it's missing the rockbox.ipod. Why use the daily anyway? |
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| 07:37:33 | JdGordon | hardeep: the current way is supposed to add up the number of tracks before the wanted and put it there... so we dont have to fix all the ondicies after every update..? |
| 07:38:27 | dongs | no its not missing it LOL. |
| 07:38:47 | hardeep | JdGordon: yeah, the counting is correct... the problem is that your array doesn't actually correspond to where the album has really been inserted so the track counts won't put you at album boundaries |
| 07:40:01 | JdGordon | ah.. grr. i get ya now.. |
| 07:40:26 | JdGordon | slight PITA to fix :p |
| 07:40:34 | JdGordon | rb has memcpy right? |
| 07:40:35 | dongs | you guys arent making your product anymore attractive right now. |
| 07:40:39 | dongs | daily build fucking fails to boot |
| 07:40:49 | JdGordon | yess :D another happy cusotmer :D |
| 07:40:58 | hardeep | JdGordon: it does, but just shifting the array values will do the trick just as well |
| 07:41:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: It is missing from the daily archives. Not to mention the fact that there's absolutely no reason the daily would be any more stable than any other build. |
| 07:42:09 | dongs | uh? |
| 07:42:13 | dongs | how the fuck is it missing |
| 07:42:16 | dongs | i am looking at it RIGHT NOW. |
| 07:42:20 | dongs | rockbox.ipod |
| 07:42:25 | dongs | its in todays daily. |
| 07:42:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right, the 12th |
| 07:42:35 | dongs | ?? |
| 07:42:36 | midkay | calm down.. |
| 07:42:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's missing from the 11th |
| 07:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, yeah, recent mini builds haven't booted. |
| 07:43:10 | dongs | heh |
| 07:43:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or have at least had issues booting. |
| 07:43:13 | dongs | NICE TO KNOW THIS |
| 07:43:19 | dj-fu | Nice to read CVS comments |
| 07:43:19 | dongs | so which one DOES boot? |
| 07:43:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you clearly know it now. |
| 07:43:36 | dongs | lolol |
| 07:43:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not our responsibility to know which one boots. It's not released yet, so in using it, you're volunteering to test. |
| 07:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | You tell me. |
| 07:44:02 | dj-fu | "let me try this cvs daily build without reading the notes about it, in particular if it boots or not" |
| 07:44:14 | dongs | so what SHOULD i use? |
| 07:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 07:44:35 | JdGordon | hardeep: does this look better? |
| 07:44:35 | dj-fu | It's probably too complex for you dongs, try the default firmware |
| 07:44:37 | JdGordon | playlist_insert_directory(NULL,dir,k,queue,0); |
| 07:44:37 | JdGordon | for (i=(*index);i>r;i−−) |
| 07:44:38 | JdGordon | { |
| 07:44:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK JdGordon |
| 07:44:38 | JdGordon | dir_indicies[i] = dir_indicies[i-1]; |
| 07:44:39 | JdGordon | } |
| 07:44:39 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 07:44:39 | JdGordon | (*index)++ |
| 07:44:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 07:44:40 | JdGordon | dir_indicies[r] = playlist_amount() - old_size; |
| 07:45:01 | dj-fu | what are you working on, JdGordon ? |
| 07:45:17 | hardeep | JdGordon: yup, looks good |
| 07:45:19 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 07:46:40 | dongs | 5/1 boots i think. |
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| 07:46:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5/09 boots according to reports in the forum. |
| 07:48:09 | dongs | fucking apple |
| 07:48:17 | JdGordon | sweet it works :D |
| 07:48:17 | dongs | why the fuck is it hiding the fucking ipod dir |
| 07:48:22 | dongs | drive |
| 07:48:26 | dongs | how do i turn that OFF |
| 07:48:45 | dj-fu | pardon? |
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| 07:48:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | dj-fu: He's bitching that it's not showing up as a drive, I guess. |
| 07:49:01 | dongs | can access ipod's 'f:' drive from cmd, but fucking explorer says its invalid |
| 07:49:10 | dj-fu | ah. Windows is your problem. |
| 07:49:20 | markun | impossible |
| 07:49:22 | dongs | lol, no APPLE is my problem |
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| 07:49:26 | * | dj-fu chuckles |
| 07:49:28 | dongs | because this idiot installed jewtunes. |
| 07:49:35 | dongs | which i never installed on my computer. |
| 07:49:38 | dongs | so i do not have such problem |
| 07:49:40 | markun | dongs: new gigabeats use windows (hint) |
| 07:49:42 | dj-fu | dongs, enable disk mode in iTunes |
| 07:49:51 | dongs | its grayed out |
| 07:50:19 | dongs | next? |
| 07:50:20 | dj-fu | (pwned!) |
| 07:50:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Talk to apple, it's their problem |
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| 07:50:33 | dj-fu | yeah, do the 5 R's :D |
| 07:50:35 | ivan` | jewtunes is pretty nasty stuff |
| 07:51:02 | markun | ivan`: you are almost as funny as dongs |
| 07:51:10 | ivan` | :( |
| 07:51:13 | dongs | markun: btw i lied about thumb. |
| 07:51:19 | markun | why? |
| 07:51:21 | dongs | acorrding to my qualcomm contact, it is faster. |
| 07:51:28 | JdGordon | ivan`: jewtunes? |
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| 07:51:34 | dongs | i was under impression that wasnt the case. |
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| 07:51:55 | markun | I don't know if preglow or linuxstb did any tests with thumb. At least they talked about it. |
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| 07:52:49 | dongs | the 16bit instuctions can still address 32bit space, and 2 instructions can be pulled from cache at a time, even though some oeprations take more htan one instruction generally its still faster. |
| 07:52:54 | markun | dongs: I hope they use each halfword in the cache when in thumb mode |
| 07:53:08 | markun | nice |
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| 07:54:34 | dongs | this is from the brew engineer, and brew runs on qualcomm hw which is arm7/9-compatible |
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| 07:54:43 | dongs | so their recommendation was to use thumb |
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| 07:55:05 | markun | dongs: do you perhaps know if it switches back from thumb mode when in receives an interrupt? |
| 07:55:14 | dongs | let me ask |
| 07:56:01 | markun | The idea was to use thumb everywhere, except some asm optimized code |
| 07:58:14 | dongs | 'not sure, i think it does a mode switch to arm' |
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| 07:58:32 | markun | I'll check the manual |
| 07:59:32 | midkay | B4gder? |
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| 08:01:05 | B4gder | yes? |
| 08:01:46 | dongs | markun: sounds like a good idea. |
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| 08:02:43 | midkay | B4gder, i wanted to suggest making a news post on the front page about the daily build font removal.. seems like a lot of people are asking about why the dailies are half the size now. |
| 08:03:39 | dongs | heh |
| 08:03:45 | dongs | i wwas wondering that too |
| 08:03:46 | dongs | OH |
| 08:03:53 | dongs | does not having fonts not make it boot? |
| 08:03:55 | midkay | everybody's been wondering it.. |
| 08:03:57 | dongs | or b default it uses the built in font right? |
| 08:04:22 | midkay | lack of fonts wouldn't (shouldn't) cause a bootup problem. |
| 08:04:35 | dongs | k |
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| 08:12:11 | JdGordon | is an int on all targets 32bits? |
| 08:12:20 | dongs | lol hopefully. |
| 08:17:53 | B4gder | our stale gmini port uses 16bit ints |
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| 08:18:15 | B4gder | but I don't see that ever taking off |
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| 08:25:01 | B4gder | I love it how the cvs builds got faster |
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| 08:26:54 | midkay | yeah, cool :) |
| 08:33:59 | dongs | fasteR? |
| 08:36:25 | midkay | since fonts were taken off the daily/cvs builds.. |
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| 08:37:36 | dongs | oh i thought you meant faster as in it doesnt actually lag/skip now. |
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| 08:38:07 | midkay | you did in fact think wrong. |
| 08:38:28 | scorche | wasnt the first time |
| 08:38:47 | midkay | was there ever a first time *not* thinking wrong? ;) |
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| 08:41:36 | midkay | bed for me, night |
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| 08:49:19 | ravon | Is the WPS screen updated even though the backlight/LCD is turned off? |
| 08:49:42 | B4gder | yes and no |
| 08:49:52 | B4gder | :-) |
| 08:50:02 | ravon | :D |
| 08:50:14 | B4gder | the lower level LCD functions don't do anything when the LCD is off |
| 08:50:26 | B4gder | but higher levels still do (too much) |
| 08:50:35 | ravon | What about scrolling the text, moving the time slider etc? |
| 08:51:12 | B4gder | the lower level LCD functions don't do anything when the LCD is off |
| 08:51:42 | ravon | Well, that's not really what I'm asking. Does it still update the buffer that WOULD be flushed out to the LCD if it was on? |
| 08:52:09 | B4gder | it updates the buffer but doesn't update the lcd |
| 08:52:13 | ravon | Oki, thanks. |
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| 09:15:36 | Zagor | sourceforge is splitting up their cvs server. finally. |
| 09:16:39 | B4gder | yeah, but still delays the anonymous ones |
| 09:17:00 | Zagor | hrmpf |
| 09:17:56 | B4gder | then again, I don't use any projects by CVS from SF anymore I think |
| 09:18:07 | B4gder | anonymous that is |
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| 09:27:55 | markun | Zagor: did you do any tests yet with svn and git? |
| 09:28:16 | Zagor | a little just after devcon. |
| 09:28:25 | Zagor | not enough to make a decision |
| 09:29:07 | markun | renaming and moving without losing the commit log would be so nice |
| 09:29:16 | Zagor | indeed |
| 09:30:09 | markun | I tried to close some bug reports yesterday, but new bugs pop up almost as fast as I can close them :) |
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| 09:32:25 | petur | markun: I know the feeling ;) |
| 09:35:15 | theli_ua | i suppose vitrual keyboard can't be used from plugins? |
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| 09:36:02 | markun | Doesn't the editor use it? |
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| 09:36:14 | theli_ua | hm |
| 09:37:35 | theli_ua | rb->kbd_input ? |
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| 09:39:06 | markun | theli_ua: yes, looks like it |
| 09:39:20 | markun | What kind of plugin are you thinking of? |
| 09:40:10 | theli_ua | well, i'm thinking of possible ways of pressing keys (for example select controls type) in my spectrum emulator plugin |
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| 09:42:24 | markun | Don't you just need a menu for that? |
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| 09:42:42 | muesli|delhi | ho |
| 09:42:59 | theli_ua | markun, i thought virtual keyboard would be better :) |
| 09:43:58 | theli_ua | markun, you see... when spectrum says 'press key key_name' to select kempston joystick as a controller .... and you go through menus to find that key :? |
| 09:46:20 | markun | Ah, that spectrum (ZX) :) I thought you wanted to write a spectrum analyzer or something. Didn't read it well. |
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| 10:24:43 | markun | linuxstb: did you ever do any tests with compiling rockbox with thumb code? |
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| 10:29:35 | linuxstb | No. |
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| 10:31:05 | guillaume | hi |
| 10:31:29 | guillaume | I have a little question |
| 10:31:50 | guillaume | in the rockbox manuel for iaudio X5 |
| 10:32:24 | guillaume | it is written : |
| 10:32:38 | guillaume | to access to the main menu hold play key |
| 10:32:50 | guillaume | and when i press this key nothing append |
| 10:33:08 | B4gder | you should press the REC key |
| 10:33:13 | guillaume | I have the build of yesterday |
| 10:33:39 | guillaume | it is the main menu ??? |
| 10:33:43 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:33:50 | B4gder | unless you press it long |
| 10:34:23 | guillaume | ok with Shuffle |
| 10:34:29 | guillaume | Repeat |
| 10:34:31 | guillaume | etc.. |
| 10:34:34 | guillaume | ? |
| 10:34:37 | B4gder | that's a long press |
| 10:34:42 | B4gder | that's the quick screen |
| 10:35:03 | guillaume | ok I will try this |
| 10:35:05 | guillaume | thx |
| 10:35:27 | B4gder | you're welcome |
| 10:36:28 | guillaume | ok it's work... |
| 10:36:39 | guillaume | I must drink more coffee... |
| 10:37:19 | guillaume | I install rockbox for a blind people |
| 10:37:30 | guillaume | and the vocalisation is strange |
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| 10:38:28 | guillaume | The voice read not the same of the text in the menu |
| 10:38:33 | guillaume | is that normal |
| 10:38:35 | guillaume | ? |
| 10:38:59 | dongs | sure |
| 10:39:02 | dongs | they changed the menu |
| 10:39:05 | dongs | and nobody revoiced the voice file |
| 10:39:09 | dongs | hwo is that strange |
| 10:40:03 | guillaume | ok is there an howto to make my own voice file ? |
| 10:40:11 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:40:23 | B4gder | in the wiki |
| 10:40:30 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindUsersIndex |
| 10:40:37 | guillaume | ok thx |
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| 11:14:42 | amiconn | B4gder: Btw, is it logical to have the quick screen come up on a long press? It is called 'quick screen'... |
| 11:15:11 | petur | :) |
| 11:15:13 | B4gder | hehe, yeah |
| 11:16:03 | * | amiconn is waiting for Linus... |
| 11:16:13 | B4gder | keep on waiting ;-) |
| 11:16:20 | B4gder | he won't be in today I say |
| 11:16:20 | amiconn | mrf :/ |
| 11:16:39 | B4gder | company thing today, I'm off too soon |
| 11:16:56 | * | scorche isnt going to sleep tonight |
| 11:20:50 | * | amiconn needs someone with knowledge about the X5 hardware... |
| 11:23:57 | amiconn | I'll write a driver for the coldfire audio interface, in order to solve potential and real clashes between recording monitor, playback, and voice |
| 11:24:37 | amiconn | I need to know (1) Does the X5 have spdif (in? out?)? (2) Which IIS channel is used for recording |
| 11:24:51 | amiconn | I also have questions regarding target_tree |
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| 11:50:53 | petur | B4gder: are the fonts supposed to be (only) in the daily builds? |
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| 11:51:11 | B4gder | they're currently in a separate daily font archive |
| 11:51:41 | B4gder | if it turns out too awkward we can make the daily builds with fullzip |
| 11:52:31 | petur | maybe that's better for the casual downloaders |
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| 11:57:09 | preglow | aren't the dailies just the last cvs build? |
| 11:57:25 | preglow | of the day, that is |
| 11:59:08 | Judge2112 | Apologies if this has been addressed before, but with the latest CVS , when I "make zip" I get the following: "Skip xxx.wps due to size restraints" |
| 11:59:38 | petur | new wps bundeling system |
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| 12:01:17 | Judge2112 | do I have to bundle the "Skipped" ones manually now? |
| 12:01:58 | amiconn | preglow: Had a look at my recording monitor changes? |
| 12:02:11 | petur | I think we're only bundeling those wpses that match the screen size |
| 12:02:18 | B4gder | http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/05/20060503004919.shtml |
| 12:02:24 | B4gder | ipod users liking ipod os |
| 12:02:36 | PaulJam | i think the skipped wps are those which don't look good on the displaysize |
| 12:03:12 | Judge2112 | ok. Thanks for the clarification. |
| 12:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I thought the dailies were still built non-distributed, or are they just copied over from the last CVS? |
| 12:05:01 | petur | "... and don't want to bother burning/ripping the songs and dealing with associated loss (since someone is bound to point that out)..." hahahaha |
| 12:05:24 | amiconn | B4gder: Haha, 'lose some ease of use' |
| 12:05:29 | petur | the m4p files are better quality than a ripped cd :) |
| 12:05:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | "and attempts to offer additional functionality" <−−- Doesn't the word attempt imply lack of success? |
| 12:06:41 | preglow | amiconn: barely |
| 12:06:48 | preglow | going to try out later |
| 12:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a really negatively written initial post, I feel. =/ |
| 12:07:13 | linuxstb | "yeah! i have iPodLinux on my 5G 30GB iPod its awesome. I tried a beta release of rockbox and it crashed my iPod." .... |
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| 12:08:40 | preglow | Wow - time for Apple Legal to get on the ball with this thing before it causes ipod failures left and right. |
| 12:08:41 | Mikachu | Want to impress me? Put Windows XP on your iPod. That's why I got boot camp. for the spider solitaire. love that game. |
| 12:08:43 | preglow | hahahah |
| 12:08:46 | Mikachu | doesn't rockbox have spider solitaire? |
| 12:08:48 | scorche | Wow - time for Apple Legal to get on the ball with this thing before it causes ipod failures left and right....wait...if installing Rockbox voids the warrantee then GeniusBar would have to charge to fix it - upside: an influx in revenue from repairs. Downside: an influx in repairs. Something about this story rubbed me the wrong way. |
| 12:08:50 | scorche | hah |
| 12:09:16 | Mikachu | or is that klondike? |
| 12:09:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Someone there doesn't believe we have gapless playback on MP3, just because his winamp doesn't do it right. |
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| 12:09:45 | guillaume_ | where can I find the structure of the .lng files ? |
| 12:09:59 | Mikachu | "OGG and FLAC are equivalent to AAC and Apple Lossless, except they are open source and used only in very very niche markets (Read: Linux users)." lolz |
| 12:10:14 | guillaume_ | because the makevoices.vbs is based of the old .lang |
| 12:10:42 | petur | apple supports gapless because "there is an option in itunes to encode the whole cd as one track" ROTFL |
| 12:10:42 | amiconn | .lang and .lng are 2 different things |
| 12:10:54 | guillaume_ | can you explain ? |
| 12:11:00 | amiconn | But yes, makevoices is in need of an update |
| 12:11:39 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, i saw |
| 12:11:49 | preglow | well, they're mac zealots |
| 12:11:50 | preglow | no surprise |
| 12:11:59 | Moos | that remind me I need to update the few new strings missing in the francais.lang |
| 12:12:06 | guillaume_ | what is to update |
| 12:13:15 | guillaume_ | is there any documentation ? |
| 12:14:43 | Moos | What do you want to know? (tout est dans le wiki) |
| 12:15:56 | crwl | "Playback with gaps is intentional. Missing gaps can be very annoying." hehe |
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| 12:16:59 | guillaume_ | I wan't to now how to make my own voices files |
| 12:17:04 | Moos | guillaume_: about voices? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding |
| 12:17:37 | guillaume_ | ok i have read that but : Note: MakeVoices.vbs no longer works with the current dailys due to the .lang file structure having changed. |
| 12:17:48 | preglow | man, that was almost as annoying as reading slashdot |
| 12:18:19 | markun | guillaume_: someone will fix it |
| 12:18:28 | scorche | i found it amusing |
| 12:18:28 | Moos | yeah |
| 12:18:50 | Mikachu | i think there are worse things in the world to get annoyed about, if you're determined to get annoyed |
| 12:19:08 | Moos | markun/guillaume: maybe I'll make it myself if I found time to do it |
| 12:19:16 | guillaume_ | may be I can :S |
| 12:19:17 | PaulJam | "SO what? This is totally useless garbage, and of little use to anyone." <= either the original firmware is much better than i thought or he didnt try Rockbox. |
| 12:19:36 | Moos | guillaume: please do ;) |
| 12:19:45 | guillaume_ | I will try |
| 12:19:57 | guillaume_ | but where I can find the .lang files ? |
| 12:20:20 | Moos | guillaume_: keep in mind I'll update the current .lang for sync with english |
| 12:20:24 | guillaume_ | excuse the lot of question but I have find rockbox this morning :) |
| 12:20:39 | scorche | PaulJam: and apparently, we are "trying to convert the world" |
| 12:21:12 | Moos | guillaume_: apps/lang/francais |
| 12:21:57 | guillaume_ | ok ths |
| 12:21:59 | guillaume_ | thx |
| 12:22:07 | Moos | de rien |
| 12:22:09 | Moos | :) |
| 12:22:44 | guillaume_ | et tu as des détails sur le modifs qui ont été apportés à la structure de ce fichier ? |
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| 12:22:57 | Moos | pv for french |
| 12:23:05 | guillaume_ | ok |
| 12:23:09 | guillaume_ | sorry :p |
| 12:23:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: If you read most of that, it's pretty evident that MAYBE one person has even visited our webpage or has any clue what the software is actually like (outside two who claimed to use it on Archos, which isn't indicative, and one who was using it "5 months ago" on 4G) |
| 12:24:11 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd: :P |
| 12:24:37 | Mikachu | did rb run on ipods 5 months ago? |
| 12:24:46 | PaulJam | i haven't yet read all the comments |
| 12:24:57 | TeaSea | Mikachu: nope! |
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| 12:25:07 | Mikachu | PaulJam: get some popcorn first |
| 12:25:13 | scorche | we had sound in jan if i am not mistaken.... |
| 12:25:22 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Yes, but without sound. Sound came on the 4g/Nano at the end of January, and on the 5g a couple of weeks later. |
| 12:25:33 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 12:25:33 | TeaSea | Proved me wrong. |
| 12:26:27 | linuxstb | The first ipod commit to CVS was around the start of November IIRC. |
| 12:27:01 | Mikachu | it sounds likely that it didn't work so well then |
| 12:27:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, it wasn't bad. I was able to use it fulltime on my Nano from the day it supported sound. |
| 12:28:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, it wasn't as impressive as it is now graphically, and if you were listening to MP3 you could expect skipping. |
| 12:29:02 | guillaume_ | register |
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| 12:30:16 | linuxstb | Checking the logs, the ipod button driver was committed to CVS on the 17th December - so I guess that can be thought of as the date the port started to become usable. |
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| 12:31:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: You could play bejeweled. That was always nice. |
| 12:31:41 | kclaf | heh |
| 12:31:49 | kclaf | berocked |
| 12:32:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jewels |
| 12:32:42 | kclaf | yea i know |
| 12:33:21 | kclaf | btw, were there soe playback improvements last few weeks for Ipod 5G, last time i tried i had some skipping on MP3s w/ EQ ON and Crossfeed ON |
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| 12:34:10 | kclaf | i should try latest build prolly |
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| 12:34:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | kclaf: You'll probably still have 'em, though the MP3 codec was improved a bit semi-recently. |
| 12:37:09 | kclaf | ok thanks |
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| 12:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently TagCache can only index the directory listing limit of files? :( |
| 12:41:21 | markun | preglow: did tomasz' libmad patch improve decoding a lot? |
| 12:41:30 | preglow | the libmad one didn't apply |
| 12:41:37 | preglow | since toni's changes |
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| 12:59:12 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 12:59:19 | zigford | hi |
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| 13:00:31 | markun | I think that move down should give you the next item in set_option and not move up. Is it ok if I change it? |
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| 13:01:25 | Mikachu | aren't most numeric options ordered smaller->larger? |
| 13:01:51 | Mikachu | down to make a larger number seems a bit weird |
| 13:02:13 | markun | at least in the codec selection it's weird now |
| 13:02:17 | markun | codepage |
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| 13:02:19 | markun | not codec |
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| 13:03:08 | markun | But for numbers you are probably right |
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| 13:04:21 | Jungti1234__ | Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damn! |
| 13:06:52 | zigford | Heaven yes Jungti1234 |
| 13:08:20 | Jungti1234__ | :'( |
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| 13:10:01 | Jungti1234__ | I want to buy E10.... |
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| 13:15:56 | baobab68 | hi all |
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| 13:21:42 | baobab68 | nobody home? |
| 13:21:48 | petur | boo |
| 13:25:02 | baobab68 | aaargh! |
| 13:25:12 | baobab68 | :-) |
| 13:25:29 | baobab68 | quiet tonight, guess everyone's in the northern hemisphere |
| 13:25:37 | baobab68 | sydney here |
| 13:25:48 | theli_ua | i have 14:26 here ;) |
| 13:25:52 | Nibbler | 1325 |
| 13:26:12 | baobab68 | 2122 |
| 13:26:55 | baobab68 | so everyone "up there" is hard at work in day jobs maybe |
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| 13:28:00 | baobab68 | i came to ask about the UDA1380 WSPLL changes that went through CVS today... anyone about who has an opinion on their effect on battery life? |
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| 13:29:40 | petur | baobab68: do a benchmark and let us know ;) |
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| 13:32:11 | dongs | zzz |
| 13:32:11 | baobab68 | i am about to put experimental on... my battery doesn't have enough life in it these days to afford to run it right down...i read the datasheet and the UDA uses max 67mW at full steam... I wondered how this rates compared to the power usage of a hard drive and the coldfire itself? |
| 13:32:37 | baobab68 | i will be able to give a gut feeling but not concrete A-B results. |
| 13:33:21 | baobab68 | i miss my Replaygain and Crossfade but I dream about them eating my battery these days. |
| 13:34:03 | petur | those two options shouldn't affect battery life much |
| 13:34:12 | petur | EQ and crossfeed do |
| 13:34:48 | petur | preglow will probably correct me ;) |
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| 13:35:23 | preglow | eq and crossfeed use no battery!"!!"!"!## |
| 13:35:30 | preglow | they are powered by love |
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| 13:35:56 | baobab68 | i reason that crossfade uses extra processor during the crossfade itself, but not otherwise, and replaygain should be only "turning up the volume control behind the scenes" (or is it a DSP function applied through the whole track?) |
| 13:36:00 | kclaf | lol preglow |
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| 13:36:44 | baobab68 | all of my reasoning is based on...err...nothing actually... |
| 13:38:20 | markun | baobab68: dsp, but it's just 1 multiply for each sample |
| 13:39:31 | baobab68 | thanks markun. i always wondered if it just fiddled with an output setting or if it actually modified the samples. guess i should have thought about it some more. if it has clipping prevention and a preamp is stands to reason it's DSPing the whole thing |
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| 13:45:02 | preglow | crossfade might use more battery than usual |
| 13:45:12 | preglow | it boosts the cpu waaay earlier with crossfade enabled |
| 13:45:16 | preglow | so the cpu is boosted more often |
| 13:46:37 | baobab68 | sounds like i can learn to live without it for now. i kind of enjoy actually just "going" to the next song rather than easing my way there.... |
| 13:47:52 | baobab68 | i went back to iRiver firmware to compare "how things work" over there...I lasted about 5 mins, but during that time I was amazed how often it turns on the hard drive. it's like they forgot that they have a RAM buffer in which to store data.... |
| 13:49:39 | baobab68 | i've rediscovered all my music this week, just got some new headphones....found instruments i never knew were there |
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| 13:50:31 | preglow | heh |
| 13:50:47 | preglow | iriver only stores 3 tracks in ram at a time |
| 13:50:49 | preglow | wastes quite a bit |
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| 13:52:18 | petur | how many tracks do we store? all that fits? |
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| 13:53:00 | preglow | yeah |
| 13:53:06 | preglow | everythign we can stow in |
| 13:53:08 | preglow | including partial tracks |
| 13:53:13 | preglow | up to until 15 tracks, i think |
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| 13:53:22 | preglow | but lostlogic's got a patch that lets you store as many as you like |
| 13:53:32 | preglow | hoping it'll fit in after 3.0 |
| 13:53:52 | * | petur doesn't know about the playback part of rb |
| 13:54:04 | pepie34 | Ho |
| 13:54:08 | pepie34 | Hi |
| 13:54:14 | petur | He |
| 13:54:33 | pepie34 | I've got an ipod remote controler (use the serial port) |
| 13:54:42 | petur | nope |
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| 13:54:53 | pepie34 | seems to work for vol + vol _ |
| 13:55:07 | pepie34 | but i do not find it in the src code |
| 13:55:20 | pepie34 | do you thing it is hardware? |
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| 13:57:02 | pepie34 | ? |
| 13:57:08 | pepie34 | ou ou? |
| 13:57:31 | pepie34 | ok |
| 13:57:37 | petur | rockbox doesn't use the ipod serial port yet I think |
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| 13:58:10 | pepie34 | strange because according to ipolinux doc it must trigger some soft |
| 13:58:18 | pepie34 | an other question |
| 13:58:44 | pepie34 | I've got the rockboy source check out correctly from CVS |
| 13:59:02 | pepie34 | but it does not compile when configure to ipod video |
| 13:59:14 | pepie34 | How should i add it to the default plugin set? |
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| 14:02:33 | baobab68 | thanks all for ur comments on battery-related stuff, off to listen to some tracks with paulheu's latest experimental... already found a few new nice things in it... usb charging by default, for example... nice... |
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| 14:07:57 | pepie34 | ? |
| 14:10:27 | petur | sorry, I'm not an ipodder |
| 14:12:03 | pepie34 | what i mean is where is the list of the plugins to compile? |
| 14:12:15 | pepie34 | why it is not ipod enabled? |
| 14:12:30 | pepie34 | (the plugin wiki page say it is ok for ipod video) |
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| 14:13:35 | petur | look at the FILES and SOURCES files if it is excluded for your platform |
| 14:15:21 | theli_ua | pepie34, RockBoy compiles for video |
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| 14:15:34 | pepie34 | not for me |
| 14:15:43 | pepie34 | no rockboy.rock generated |
| 14:15:44 | theli_ua | pepie34, what makes you think so? |
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| 14:15:49 | theli_ua | really? |
| 14:15:53 | pepie34 | I mean it should compiles |
| 14:16:02 | theli_ua | pepie34, where did you looked for it? |
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| 14:16:09 | pepie34 | but no compilation is done on it |
| 14:16:45 | theli_ua | pepie34, why can't you just download binary cvs build? |
| 14:17:01 | pepie34 | :) |
| 14:17:05 | pepie34 | to easy |
| 14:17:08 | pepie34 | :) |
| 14:17:16 | petur | pepie34: check the SUBDIRS file in apps/plugins |
| 14:17:33 | pepie34 | yes build/apps/plugins |
| 14:17:38 | theli_ua | petur, i've just checked .. rockboy enabled for video |
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| 14:18:02 | petur | yes I see it now too |
| 14:18:05 | dpro | pepie34: I haven't tested rockboy but it should be there you need a gb rom file it doesn't show up in the browse plugins menu AFAIK |
| 14:18:10 | linuxstb_ | I was about to say the same - Rockboy has always worked on the 5g, and I've just double-checked with current CVS. |
| 14:18:39 | linuxstb_ | Try "find -name rockboy.rock" in your build directory after you've compiled. |
| 14:18:52 | pepie34 | OK know my error |
| 14:18:58 | pepie34 | it was actually there |
| 14:19:06 | pepie34 | but not in the extension list |
| 14:19:12 | pepie34 | sorry guys |
| 14:19:34 | theli_ua | pepie34, you said you read the wiki ... it certainly says it acts like a viewer |
| 14:19:48 | pepie34 | yes i remember now |
| 14:19:52 | pepie34 | sorry |
| 14:20:30 | dpro | still a screen that actually show which viewers are enabled might be a good idea though ... |
| 14:20:43 | dpro | s/show/shows/ |
| 14:20:45 | linuxstb_ | The "open with" screen does that. |
| 14:20:45 | pepie34 | I want to write some code for the serial things on ipod |
| 14:21:00 | dpro | linuxstb: ah good ... |
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| 14:21:12 | pepie34 | where should i put files? |
| 14:21:13 | * | dpro never needs any dreaded "viewers" ;) |
| 14:21:38 | pepie34 | should i start a think like target/arm/ipod |
| 14:21:52 | dpro | pepie34: huh ? |
| 14:22:13 | pepie34 | because putting all stuff in the driver folder seems to me quite confusing |
| 14:23:02 | linuxstb_ | I wouldn't worry about that for now - the target directory system is still being developed. If I was you, I would just focus on attempting to get the code working. |
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| 14:23:22 | Moos | linuxstb_: are you able to commit one really quick fix to english.lang? , I forget to mentioned it before, but I fixed it in french .lang |
| 14:24:18 | pepie34 | My concern is that the #IFDEF ARCH1 #IFDEF ARCH2 .... is a bit unreadable |
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| 14:25:01 | pepie34 | especially the serial.c is made not to implement thing for other platform |
| 14:25:02 | pepie34 | :) |
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| 14:25:52 | linuxstb | Moos: I'm not familiar with langv2, but if the change is simple, then I'll commit. |
| 14:26:07 | Moos | linuxstb_: line 5504 and 5507 one typo, one tab there made VBR info not working |
| 14:26:17 | Moos | yes just one typo |
| 14:26:24 | Moos | one tab |
| 14:26:26 | linuxstb | pepie34: LinusN is the person to discuss the new target directory system with - but I don't think he's around today. |
| 14:26:58 | Moos | linuxstb: VBR isn't showed in tag viewer in english, in french there is :) |
| 14:27:15 | dpro | pepie34: well the #ifdefs scattered all over the place aren't exactly elegant but what do you propose as a solution ? |
| 14:27:18 | pepie34 | OK |
| 14:27:50 | pepie34 | dpro it is ok for me but for drivers it is no really a good idea i thing |
| 14:28:07 | Moos | linuxstb: I thought no need to make a patch just for this :) |
| 14:28:11 | linuxstb | Moos: I can't see any TAB characters there - do you mean the space character? |
| 14:28:19 | Moos | yes |
| 14:28:30 | Moos | this is a mistake |
| 14:28:48 | linuxstb | It also seems to be in all the other language files... |
| 14:28:59 | Moos | not in french :) |
| 14:29:23 | Moos | it seems I'm the only one spoted this typo |
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| 14:30:24 | Moos | VBR indication in the viewer is shown in french since I fixed it, but I forget to change this for english too and other .langs too |
| 14:30:34 | Moos | want a patch for all .lang? |
| 14:31:30 | Moos | in the viewer the vbr tag is shown like this: ex: 192(VBR) |
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| 14:32:48 | linuxstb | Why doesn't it work if there's a space there? |
| 14:33:23 | Moos | I guess is one GENLANG thing, since there isn't space character anywhere |
| 14:34:07 | Moos | but maybe I'm wrong, this is just a typo :) |
| 14:35:08 | Moos | oh no silly me that works in english anyway with V2 it seems |
| 14:35:40 | Moos | and it's considered like space character :) |
| 14:35:45 | Moos | goodie |
| 14:36:08 | * | Moos go back finish the francais.lang update |
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| 14:39:00 | linuxstb | Moos: So it's all OK? |
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| 14:39:46 | Moos | yes with V2 that is, sorry for the false alert :) |
| 14:41:19 | Pi | if I find a mistake in the manual do i just report it using the bug tracker? |
| 14:41:42 | petur | or create a patch |
| 14:41:46 | linuxstb | Pi: Yes. You can even post a patch.. |
| 14:41:48 | RedBreva | you could correct it? |
| 14:42:02 | petur | :D |
| 14:43:02 | Pi | never looked at latex before |
| 14:43:20 | RedBreva | I would, however, conceed that a bug report without a patch, is better than no report at all ;) |
| 14:47:16 | qwm | :) |
| 14:48:07 | Pi | added the report |
| 14:50:10 | RedBreva | OK, I'll have a quick look at that... |
| 14:51:35 | bluebrother | RedBreva: this mistake also applies for the ondio −− at least the "go to main menu" entry |
| 14:51:56 | bluebrother | unfortunately I can't look up the correct key now. |
| 14:52:00 | RedBreva | ;-) |
| 14:53:34 | Jungti1234__ | Booooo |
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| 14:54:18 | RedBreva | Anyone with an x5 about? |
| 14:54:34 | RedBreva | Whats the key to enter the main menu on that platform? |
| 14:54:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't have one, but a tiny voice in my head says "record", I'm probably wrong. |
| 14:55:17 | RedBreva | I think you may be right, I had the same little voice nagging me too |
| 14:55:39 | Moos | yes rec is the one |
| 14:55:48 | RedBreva | Thanks |
| 14:58:45 | RedBreva | Which bit of code do I need to look at to check key allocation for Main menu entry? (Just to be sure for All platforms) |
| 14:59:22 | linuxstb | They are in apps/tree.h |
| 14:59:30 | RedBreva | Thanks ;) |
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| 15:06:09 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
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| 15:08:40 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 15:16:41 | dongs | hm |
| 15:16:45 | dongs | missed him |
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| 15:37:49 | RedBreva | Ondio is confusing me... 'Mode'=File Browser, 'Hold Mode'=Context Menu, How do you get to Main Menu from in WPS? |
| 15:38:18 | RedBreva | Mode again in the Context menu works! |
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| 15:39:07 | Hansmaulwurf | hi |
| 15:39:23 | Hansmaulwurf | the actual builds doestn include fonts right? |
| 15:39:30 | Hansmaulwurf | but where can i download them? |
| 15:40:44 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ |
| 15:41:25 | Hansmaulwurf | thanks |
| 15:41:41 | RedBreva | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml - it's listed as a platform in the table |
| 15:42:07 | Hansmaulwurf | ah shit |
| 15:42:07 | petur | nice |
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| 15:42:10 | Hansmaulwurf | didnt see it |
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| 15:43:10 | RedBreva | Don't worry, i knew it was on that page, and it still took me some time to find it!! :D |
| 15:44:54 | Gargamale | Dumbass |
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| 15:50:41 | PaulJam | in my opinion it would be better if there was a link to the fonts package below each target on the daily builds page. |
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| 15:55:59 | Febs | Can anyone recommend a good text editor? My trial period for UltraEdit has expired, and before I buy it, I want to see what else is out there. |
| 15:56:07 | RedBreva | I was expecting to find some text explaining the Fonts wer no longer part of...blah blah blah and a Link within that |
| 15:56:33 | PaulJam | Have you tried Notepad2 ? |
| 15:57:19 | RedBreva | I like TextPad on Windows |
| 15:57:20 | PaulJam | but it is not really comparable wit UEdit |
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| 16:01:45 | dpro | Febs: emacs ? |
| 16:02:02 | * | dpro hides after throwing flamebait "vi vi vi vi" |
| 16:02:56 | bluebrother | Febs: gvim :) |
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| 16:06:01 | RedBreva | If I have done command1 | less, pressed SPACE a number of times to (END) - How the frick do I get back to the command prompt...? |
| 16:06:17 | dpro | RedBreva: 'q' |
| 16:06:18 | bluebrother | RedBreva: q |
| 16:06:28 | * | daurnimator yells at dpro vi will vi will rock you |
| 16:06:38 | RedBreva | Ahhh, So obvious ;D Thanks guys |
| 16:07:04 | dpro | RedBreva: welcome to 'intuitive' land |
| 16:07:17 | RedBreva | hehehe |
| 16:08:43 | linuxstb | Febs: Some windows users I know like "jedit". They also use TextPad, as RedBreva suggested. jedit is open source, TextPad isn't. |
| 16:09:05 | bluebrother | I often use CrimsonEditor. |
| 16:10:05 | bluebrother | for coding Programmers Notepad is also nice. Not too much features but code folding :) |
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| 16:10:56 | Febs | OK, lots of options! I am downloading a couple right now. |
| 16:11:20 | Febs | Bluebrother, what you use for work with LaTeX documents? |
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| 16:11:51 | bluebrother | Febs: gvim, sometimes kate −− I don't work on Latex stuff with windows. |
| 16:12:05 | bluebrother | but as gvim is available for windows ... |
| 16:12:17 | dpro | "Oh, SURE the Macintosh interface is Intuitive! I've always thought deep in my h |
| 16:12:17 | dpro | eart that command-z should undo things." −− Margy Levine |
| 16:12:46 | bluebrother | z like in "undoZ"? *g* |
| 16:12:49 | dpro | RedBreva: now guess which key "undoes" in vi ;) |
| 16:13:03 | RedBreva | z? |
| 16:13:11 | dpro | aaarg "u" !!!! |
| 16:13:18 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
| 16:13:34 | RedBreva | Damn you with your Trick Questions!!! |
| 16:13:39 | RedBreva | :D |
| 16:14:12 | Febs | Bluebrother, I'll try gvim. |
| 16:14:17 | RedBreva | My fave is w for Save (Ducks and hides) |
| 16:14:59 | dpro | RedBreva: probably they pronounce "save" as "write" - jesus saves |
| 16:15:24 | bluebrother | ... and q for "exit" eeehm quit ;-) |
| 16:15:30 | bluebrother | :wq −− write and quit |
| 16:15:31 | dpro | LOL |
| 16:15:41 | dpro | oh that's ZZ ;) |
| 16:15:55 | RedBreva | hehehehe, how does that work as a nemonic if you don't speak english?? |
| 16:15:58 | bluebrother | :help tutor |
| 16:16:29 | bluebrother | what was the line to toggle the "doctor" in emacs? |
| 16:16:47 | dpro | since there's a hungarian logo there's probably a russian vi somewhere ;) |
| 16:16:55 | dpro | eliza you mean ? |
| 16:17:53 | dpro | RedBreva: well in german that would be wchreiben und qeenden >;-> |
| 16:18:01 | bluebrother | yeah. It was something like <press some keys>doctor |
| 16:18:32 | * | dpro hasn't been to therapy in a while |
| 16:18:37 | bluebrother | not beenqen? |
| 16:18:40 | RedBreva | LOL |
| 16:18:46 | Zagor | bluebrother: alt-x doctor |
| 16:19:14 | bluebrother | aaah. I knew it was something like that. |
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| 16:22:16 | nobelium | hmm |
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| 16:22:22 | nobelium | what is the involvement of rockbox with ipodlinux? |
| 16:22:57 | ashridah | nobelium: they share documentation, and some development work |
| 16:23:05 | ashridah | rockbox is in no way based on linux, however |
| 16:23:24 | nobelium | but their newest bootloader loads rockbox right? |
| 16:23:30 | nobelium | iPL 2 |
| 16:23:39 | ashridah | that's entirely possible |
| 16:25:15 | Febs | Bluebrother, what do you think of the idea of creating a separate chapter in the manual called "Using Playlists." Right now, descriptions of playlist functions are scattered throughout the manual. Since Rockbox is based on a playlist system, I think it makes sense to consolidate this information into one chapter. |
| 16:25:52 | bluebrother | Febs: sounds good. |
| 16:25:54 | dpro | nobelium: I use rockbox' bootloader to load linux ;) |
| 16:26:22 | nobelium | and which one do you consider easier to setup? |
| 16:26:26 | bluebrother | I still want to write something about the installation for iriver, but I don't know the status of the installer ... |
| 16:26:31 | nobelium | iPL bootloader or rb bootloader? |
| 16:27:17 | dpro | nobelium: I only used rb's and that's pretty straightforward |
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| 16:31:34 | linuxstb | nobelium: They are both as easy as each other to install - the only tricky part is creating the ext2/ext3 partition if you want to install ipodlinux. Both bootloaders can triple-boot - IPL gives you a menu, the Rockbox bootloader just goes straight to Rockbox as quickly as it can, unless you are holding a button whilst it starts. |
| 16:32:45 | nobelium | thanks both of you :-) |
| 16:33:01 | nobelium | rockbox can triple boot? |
| 16:33:08 | nobelium | original firmware/rockbox/and..? |
| 16:34:50 | bluebrother | ipl I assume |
| 16:35:12 | dpro | nobelium: yup ipl, rb, apple that's what I do |
| 16:35:30 | nobelium | alright thanks |
| 16:35:46 | nobelium | also, which players can run rockbox from flash? |
| 16:35:47 | dpro | not in that order though it's maybe rb (mostly) apple (to watch pirated tv shows) and linux (doesn't really work on 5g) |
| 16:36:22 | linuxstb | nobelium: Just some of the Archos devices. |
| 16:37:17 | RedBreva | and the Nano - from the Flash Drive ;) |
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| 17:07:32 | dpro | RedBreva: then the mini also (it's a flash drive in there aswell AFAIK) |
| 17:08:47 | RedBreva | I had always assumed that the Mini HDD based for some reason, not sure why... |
| 17:09:13 | amiconn | The mini uses a microdrive, i.e. a harddisk |
| 17:10:41 | amiconn | And still, the nano does not run rockbox from flash. It loads rockbox from flash disk into ram the same way other targets load from harddisk into ram |
| 17:13:22 | RedBreva | Ah, but the question was which player can run FROM flash, not IN flash ;-) |
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| 17:16:29 | dpro | hehe |
| 17:18:25 | RedBreva | just being pedantic to vent some of my 'why is everything so difficult in Linux' frustration, untill I actually work out how to do it (and then it seems perfectly obvious - which is even more frustrating- Grrrrrrrr) </RANT> |
| 17:20:21 | RedBreva | I mean - why can't the VMWare image initialise my sound driver (device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)? |
| 17:21:37 | linuxstb | Try running alsaconf |
| 17:22:18 | RedBreva | OK... No idea what that means, but I'll give it a go :) |
| 17:22:41 | RedBreva | as root I assume? |
| 17:22:54 | linuxstb | alsa = Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. conf = configure |
| 17:23:19 | RedBreva | Command not found |
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| 17:24:06 | linuxstb | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils - it looks like the alsa software hasn't been installed. |
| 17:25:47 | RedBreva | Ok, it installed, and ran, but found no sound hardware |
| 17:26:58 | linuxstb | Then it's a vmware problem I think. Maybe you need a vmware specific alsa module. But I don't use vmware, so can't help you any more... |
| 17:27:30 | RedBreva | Thanks anyway |
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| 17:28:01 | amiconn | maybe the vmimage isn't configured for sound |
| 17:30:04 | RedBreva | There is a speaker icon in the status area, which says sound is connected and specifies a Realtek AC97 Audio connection (which is the correct H/W type for my machine) |
| 17:32:14 | RedBreva | amiconn: Is this VM image (from the RB site today) already setup for the GCC 4.x changes you made recently? |
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| 17:39:10 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:42:11 | RedBreva | Brilliant, thank you! |
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| 18:55:33 | Hilikus | hey guys |
| 18:56:04 | Hilikus | quick question, is anyone working on putting rockbox into a rio karma player? |
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| 18:56:29 | Cassandra | Nope. |
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| 18:56:51 | preglow | none at all |
| 18:57:28 | Hilikus | mmm |
| 18:57:43 | Hilikus | ok |
| 18:57:43 | Galois | it should be a reasonable thing to attempt in theory |
| 18:57:55 | Galois | rio karma has portalplayer 5003 |
| 18:58:09 | Cassandra | But there need to be people willing and able to do it in practice. |
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| 18:59:17 | Hilikus | mmm |
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| 19:00:06 | Hilikus | how do you put rockbox inside the daps? is it loaded as a song and then a bootloader loads it ?? |
| 19:00:11 | preglow | Galois: we know nothing about that chip |
| 19:00:40 | preglow | amiconn: any more thoughts on mono recording? |
| 19:00:56 | Hilikus | cause i read somewhere in riovolution that the problem was that the rio karma used an encrypited firmware |
| 19:01:28 | Hilikus | is that really a problem or you have any other dap working that has that? |
| 19:01:29 | preglow | hah |
| 19:01:33 | preglow | pp5003 has got an fpu |
| 19:01:44 | kibble | LOL!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:02:51 | Falco98 | g'day all |
| 19:03:11 | Falco98 | wow, hardeep isn't here.. |
| 19:03:44 | kibble | WoW!!!!!!!! |
| 19:04:06 | Falco98 | WCIII!!! |
| 19:04:54 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 19:04:54 | Falco98 | bbl |
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| 19:05:05 | Cassandra | Erm, did the IQ of the channel drop 50 points recently or something? |
| 19:05:06 | preglow | who is this joker? |
| 19:05:31 | preglow | is it time for me to bring up the fact that not enough people has op status in here anymore? |
| 19:05:53 | preglow | has/have/lol |
| 19:06:01 | kibble | LOL!!!!!!!! |
| 19:06:11 | preglow | kibble: fuck off |
| 19:06:11 | Presence | heh |
| 19:06:35 | kibble | FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:06:43 | preglow | how did i anticipate that? |
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| 19:07:06 | Cassandra | I suspect you must be psychotic or something. |
| 19:07:29 | preglow | close |
| 19:07:49 | kibble | CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:08:07 | preglow | ok, i think it is time for me to do that |
| 19:08:20 | kibble | hey, i love rockbox |
| 19:08:25 | preglow | i love you |
| 19:08:26 | kibble | kick's ipodlinux's shitty inept ass |
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| 19:09:25 | Cassandra | We really have arrived - now we've got our very own Slashdot style weenies. Oh joy. |
| 19:09:42 | preglow | they've been here before |
| 19:10:02 | kibble | HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:10:05 | preglow | freenode's got less of them than other networks, believe it or not |
| 19:10:25 | Mikachu | Cassandra: not psychic then? |
| 19:10:36 | Cassandra | Well if they would kindly perform an autonomous recto-cranial inversion, I'd be much obliged. |
| 19:10:40 | preglow | Mikachu: psychotic, not psychic. i know i'm not that |
| 19:10:58 | Cassandra | Mikachu, which looks more likely given the scroll back? |
| 19:11:00 | preglow | Cassandra: i'd settle for a good old-fashioned ass kicking, even |
| 19:11:26 | kibble | I have a great idea |
| 19:11:30 | kibble | lets all go flood #ipodlinux |
| 19:11:36 | preglow | yes, let's do that |
| 19:11:39 | preglow | you first |
| 19:12:01 | amiconn | preglow: Not really. We also have the problem that we can only record at 44.1kHz now |
| 19:12:18 | amiconn | 22.05kHz might be possible if I read the uda datasheet correctly |
| 19:12:22 | preglow | amiconn: indeed, but i was just thinking that removing all the recording options limits we can would be good |
| 19:12:27 | preglow | amiconn: and that would be the easiest one |
| 19:12:36 | amiconn | Which one? |
| 19:12:40 | preglow | stereo/mono |
| 19:12:51 | amiconn | Hmm, we might want mono... |
| 19:13:00 | preglow | just need to find a good spot to do the conversion |
| 19:13:16 | amiconn | And in fact, mono conversion would be a good step forward to on-the-fly conversion for recording |
| 19:13:25 | amiconn | (thinking mp3 recording here) |
| 19:13:31 | preglow | hmmm |
| 19:13:34 | petur | preglow: the place where endianess is applied... |
| 19:13:36 | preglow | i wonder how toni's patch deals with it |
| 19:13:48 | preglow | petur: well, does it allow you to change the chunk size? |
| 19:13:55 | preglow | petur: it's pcmrec_callback, afaik |
| 19:13:55 | amiconn | Maybe the recording needs another thread |
| 19:14:06 | Febs | Could someone please close bug report 5350: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5350 |
| 19:14:15 | amiconn | Something like recording_codec |
| 19:14:26 | preglow | Febs: can do |
| 19:14:32 | preglow | Febs: accepted? |
| 19:15:04 | whatboutbob | amiconn/preglow: a couple of tapers have already mentioned the lack of sample selection (particularly for 48khz line-in). |
| 19:15:23 | amiconn | sample selection? |
| 19:15:24 | preglow | whatboutbob: 3.1 issue |
| 19:15:30 | preglow | amiconn: i removed sample rate selection |
| 19:15:33 | preglow | since it didn't work |
| 19:15:35 | Febs | Preglow: Completed. |
| 19:15:36 | whatboutbob | sample-rate. |
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| 19:15:49 | Cassandra | btw, are we likely to wrap up 3.0 this weekend, or do we still need another week? |
| 19:15:50 | preglow | Febs: there is no completed |
| 19:15:50 | amiconn | 48kHz sample rate is impossible |
| 19:16:00 | preglow | Cassandra: another week, i'd guess |
| 19:16:06 | preglow | more bugs, manual isn't up to snuff |
| 19:16:08 | Febs | Whatever signifies that it's fixed! |
| 19:16:13 | amiconn | We can do 44.1, probably 22.05 and possibly 11.025, but that's it |
| 19:16:19 | preglow | accepted it is |
| 19:16:20 | Cassandra | manual is not release critical. |
| 19:16:27 | Cassandra | But there's a lot of open bugs. |
| 19:16:46 | preglow | i was thinking of doing some bug-fixing this weekend |
| 19:16:48 | preglow | when i have time |
| 19:16:49 | kibble | CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:16:55 | amiconn | For spdif in we can handle any rate though |
| 19:16:58 | whatboutbob | amiconn: cool. thanks for the clarification. |
| 19:16:58 | preglow | kibble: LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:17:09 | kibble | I have a bug to report: shut up fags |
| 19:17:13 | preglow | amiconn: internal mic is mono, so it's a bit of a waste to keep that stereo |
| 19:17:19 | preglow | kibble: no can do |
| 19:17:30 | Cassandra | kibble: kindly fuck off you homophobic tosser. |
| 19:17:39 | amiconn | I tried any standard rate from 8kHz to 96kHz yesterday, worked just fine |
| 19:17:40 | whatboutbob | don't encourage him... |
| 19:17:43 | buraianto | just ignore him |
| 19:17:44 | kibble | why do i have to leave, im not the faggot. its not fair |
| 19:17:46 | kibble | why god why |
| 19:17:46 | preglow | whatboutbob: doesn't matter |
| 19:17:48 | Febs | I just finished a major project, so I will probably have time to do some serious work on the manual today and over the weekend. |
| 19:18:02 | preglow | i really need to bloody raise the point again: more people in here needs op status with chanserv |
| 19:18:12 | kibble | shut up, prefag |
| 19:18:13 | preglow | so we don't need to suffer idiots like kibble here |
| 19:18:13 | * | amiconn thinks the archos is a great test source for spdif, as it can produce just about _any_ sample rate, not just standard ones :) |
| 19:18:29 | kibble | prefag is a not-yet-but-soon-to-become |
| 19:18:29 | kibble | fag |
| 19:18:36 | Febs | Cassandra: be careful. Kibble probably won't understand the four syllable words. |
| 19:18:44 | preglow | kibble: i'm hard to insult, switch target |
| 19:18:48 | whatboutbob | amiconn: do you happen to know if 96kHz recording is bit-perfect? |
| 19:18:54 | preglow | Febs: did i tell you i've got a partial sweep plugin going? |
| 19:18:59 | preglow | whatboutbob: yes, it should be |
| 19:19:04 | kibble | shut up prefag |
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| 19:19:06 | preglow | whatboutbob: slasheri will do a test for me soon |
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| 19:19:07 | amiconn | whatboutbob: No I don't |
| 19:19:10 | whatboutbob | no weird glitches, pops or farts... |
| 19:19:16 | kibble | hey, wheres the sleep/shutdown option in rockbox |
| 19:19:26 | Cassandra | Febs, that's alright, it was mostly to make me feel better. |
| 19:19:27 | kibble | what prefag n00b forgot to put that in there |
| 19:20:16 | preglow | Febs: did i tell you i've got a partial sweep plugin going? <- got that? |
| 19:20:26 | kibble | he doesnt care tho |
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| 19:20:35 | Febs | Yes (had to go back and look at the log, but I got it). Cool! |
| 19:20:45 | kibble | lol fag |
| 19:20:47 | preglow | Febs: you think a linear or log sweep would be best? |
| 19:21:06 | Febs | Kibble: it's in there. Why don't you go try to find it? |
| 19:21:10 | kibble | use exp sweep |
| 19:21:12 | Febs | Preglow: log. |
| 19:21:20 | preglow | ok, then i need to do some more work, heh |
| 19:21:29 | Cassandra | What's a partial sweep, anyway? |
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| 19:21:47 | Cassandra | Or what's a sweep, rather. |
| 19:21:51 | preglow | sine sweep |
| 19:22:04 | preglow | signal generator for doing measurements on things |
| 19:22:19 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
| 19:22:24 | kibble | one of those nerd things only gay prefags care about |
| 19:23:00 | * | Febs thinks that kibble is overcompensating for certain, um, shortcomings. |
| 19:23:06 | Cassandra | You know it's a great shame the IRC protocol doesn't support remote sterilisation. |
| 19:23:13 | * | kibble thinks Feb is a prefag |
| 19:23:33 | Cassandra | But then as Febs points out, it may not be necessary. |
| 19:23:34 | Febs | You think that kibble needs sterilization?! I would think the odds of him reproducing are small. |
| 19:23:43 | kibble | cant find the shutdown/sleep option in rockbox. someone tell me where it is or I'll ddos all of you prefags |
| 19:23:52 | Cassandra | Besides, anyone that homophobic has got to be in denial anyway. |
| 19:23:54 | * | whatboutbob shudders at the thought of a pair of giant scissors extending out from his computer on a giant robot extenda-arm... |
| 19:24:04 | kibble | cant find the shutdown/sleep option in rockbox. someone tell me where it is or I'll ddos all of you prefags |
| 19:24:15 | preglow | hahah |
| 19:24:20 | preglow | this keeps getting better |
| 19:24:38 | Febs | Kibble: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 19:24:39 | petur | hey we can kill his batteries remotely :D |
| 19:24:44 | preglow | amiconn: btw, i do think a separate thread would be cool |
| 19:25:13 | amiconn | I don't think it's cool, but it might be necessary |
| 19:25:19 | kibble | I read the manual but thrers nothing but a bunch of prefag banter in there |
| 19:25:47 | preglow | amiconn: cool == necessary |
| 19:26:00 | amiconn | Weird logic... |
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| 19:26:46 | * | petur powers down to install an extra disk |
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| 19:27:20 | kibble | sure are a lot of repetitive prefags in here |
| 19:27:22 | preglow | amiconn: i wouldn't call it logic |
| 19:27:39 | preglow | very little about me applies as logical |
| 19:28:04 | * | amiconn prefers logical things |
| 19:28:18 | obo | Cassandra: did you say something once about a wxwidget based installer? |
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| 19:28:29 | obo | or did I imagine that? |
| 19:28:46 | * | Febs wonders whether kibble read the "prefag banter" entitled "Sleep Timer" in the manual. |
| 19:29:03 | kibble | talking about a sleep/shutdown command |
| 19:29:11 | kibble | thats more accessable than waiting for a timer or holding the play button |
| 19:29:23 | amiconn | Btw, it struck me that monitoring analog input through the audio interface also has a disadvantage over pure analog monitoring (only relevant for radio): it doesn't allow to voice-over the analog input signal |
| 19:30:08 | preglow | no, that's true |
| 19:30:09 | Febs | kibble: what do you want to do, attach electrodes to your head and have Rockbox detect when you fall asleep? |
| 19:30:26 | Cassandra | obo: Yes, I did. I'll try to have a new version out by 3.0 launch. |
| 19:30:29 | kibble | how about a shutdown/sleep option in the menu, prefag |
| 19:31:35 | obo | Cassandra: the existing one is Inno based? |
| 19:31:53 | Cassandra | Yes. And way out of data. |
| 19:31:56 | Cassandra | date, even. |
| 19:32:33 | Febs | Do you mean a menu-driven "power off" command?! Stomp your paw once for yes or twice for no. |
| 19:32:38 | amiconn | preglow: What do you think: monitoring through the audio interface allows more 'truthful' monitoring (and we need an iis clock for spdif monitoring anyway), and pure analog monitoring allows voice-over. What's better? |
| 19:33:14 | Mikachu | kibble: you know protricity? |
| 19:33:20 | preglow | well, i think consistency is good, so... |
| 19:34:40 | amiconn | What's necessary anyway is a driver for the coldfire audio interface, allowing permanent and temporary mode switching. We need to solve the clashes between playback, voice, recording, and radio |
| 19:35:12 | preglow | yup |
| 19:35:14 | preglow | it needs doing anyway |
| 19:35:28 | Cassandra | And the moon on a stick, never forget that it n |
| 19:35:32 | preglow | the current pcm recording interface is generic code intermingled with coldfire, and even uda, specific code |
| 19:35:44 | amiconn | I have an idea how this can be handled, however, I need to ask Linus some questions about X5 and about target tree first :/ |
| 19:35:47 | Cassandra | needs to support lunar extension technology. |
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| 19:36:45 | Mikachu | kibble: or are you in fact him? |
| 19:37:39 | preglow | kibble is a little bundle of love |
| 19:37:50 | kibble | shut the fuck up pikachu faggot |
| 19:37:53 | Mikachu | grep \<+Prot\> \#ocremix.log|lgrep fag|wc -l |
| 19:37:53 | Mikachu | 60 |
| 19:37:57 | Mikachu | heh |
| 19:37:57 | preglow | he's like a baby, a small little bundle of annoying you still just have to love |
| 19:38:08 | kibble | wow, you could just tell it was me eh? |
| 19:38:31 | Mikachu | i had some help from my jpg viewer |
| 19:38:43 | kibble | got some asstastic pictures |
| 19:38:49 | kibble | so hows that shitty website doing these days |
| 19:39:02 | Mikachu | ocremix? i don't know |
| 19:39:24 | * | preglow kicks Bagder around |
| 19:40:00 | Mikachu | kibble: was there ever a part 2 to this one? |
| 19:40:01 | * | Mikachu is listening to Protricity - DKC2 - Simian Symphony Pt1 (0:08 / 5:53) |
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| 19:40:19 | kibble | yes, but I never released it |
| 19:40:33 | Mikachu | kay |
| 19:41:03 | kibble | kinda lost my will to remix the day I realized select avg(age) from community is 13 |
| 19:41:13 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 19:43:12 | Cassandra | It does sound a little mature for you. |
| 19:43:29 | buraianto | Cassandra: that made me laugh |
| 19:43:35 | whatboutbob | good night people. |
| 19:43:42 | whatboutbob | good night kibble. |
| 19:43:45 | * | Cassandra wonders if we can get a little cage and a "do not feed the troll" sign. |
| 19:44:02 | kibble | shut up, ultimate fag |
| 19:44:02 | kibble | afk |
| 19:44:21 | preglow | Cassandra: i was about to say he was being tolerable, but no, what you said |
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| 19:44:25 | Mikachu | kibble: you certainly make an impression |
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| 19:44:45 | preglow | Bagder: note to you: more ops |
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| 19:45:45 | amiconn | preglow: Btw, is it normal that spdif sample rates are a bit off, depending on the source? |
| 19:46:01 | amiconn | My dvd player sends at 44095Hz when playing a CD |
| 19:46:23 | amiconn | The MAS is frequency exact |
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| 19:47:27 | whatboutbob | amiconn: iriver to iriver is apparently 44097/8 |
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| 19:47:36 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 19:48:04 | Mikachu | it will also vary if your source travels at near lightspeed but the destination is at rest |
| 19:48:11 | preglow | amiconn: my cd player is 44098..44100 (it fluctuates), and my pc is 48003 |
| 19:49:56 | amiconn | Mikachu: hehe |
| 19:50:24 | * | amiconn should fix the poweroff issue when recording at lower rates |
| 19:51:03 | whatboutbob | amiconn: how low? |
| 19:51:22 | preglow | 32khz and lower |
| 19:51:40 | amiconn | whatboutbob: If you record from a source where the time between two buffer flushes is longer than the idle timeout, the box will shut down |
| 19:52:27 | * | amiconn had another idea for a small spdif related improvement |
| 19:52:32 | whatboutbob | shweet |
| 19:52:42 | preglow | amiconn: how does the idle timeout system work? |
| 19:53:12 | Mikachu | there is a function you can call that resets the timer |
| 19:53:26 | Mikachu | that's all i know :) |
| 19:53:49 | amiconn | If the user had spdif power disabled, but records from an spdif source, we need to power spdif. But then we can shutdown the ebuout. Then the led will be very dim |
| 19:54:12 | preglow | like it is normally |
| 19:54:18 | preglow | when recording, at least |
| 19:54:28 | amiconn | Define normally.. |
| 19:54:38 | preglow | your latest patch changed that, did it? |
| 19:54:46 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:54:48 | preglow | it was dim after my commit when recording |
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| 20:01:05 | Myth1 | hi guys |
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| 20:02:38 | preglow | yo |
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| 20:02:57 | preglow | got that xm player ready already? :P |
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| 20:12:56 | practor | hello folks |
| 20:13:54 | practor | just wanna say thanks for rockbox. the need for ogg vorbis was the only thing stopping me from getting a nano. |
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| 20:17:07 | preglow | heh |
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| 20:17:32 | preglow | you're welcome |
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| 20:19:19 | practor | oh, plus i forgot the other cool thing about rockbox, i was able to install it from linux |
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| 20:23:14 | Mikachu | that's the preferred platform |
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| 20:23:48 | practor | that's great, it happens to be the only platform i have here at home as well. |
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| 20:25:11 | Rori | Hey there is a rumour abound that there will be 8gb and 10gb Nano's coming out soon. |
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| 20:25:42 | Rori | I just got a 4GB Nano and am loving it. Rockbox sold me on that :) |
| 20:26:11 | practor | Rori: yes i heard that one. |
| 20:26:16 | Rori | Nano's use flash memory don't they? |
| 20:26:20 | practor | yes |
| 20:26:22 | preglow | yea |
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| 20:26:26 | preglow | 10 gig nano = lol |
| 20:26:27 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:26:31 | Rori | 10GB flash drool |
| 20:26:36 | Mikachu | 10 doesn't make any sense |
| 20:26:41 | Mikachu | 4+4+2? |
| 20:26:51 | Rori | who knows |
| 20:27:01 | Rori | maybe 5gb and 8gb |
| 20:27:06 | practor | our first nano arrived today (it's for my wife) and i just finished loading rockbox, songs and just switched over to the brushed metal theme |
| 20:27:08 | practor | it simply rocks! |
| 20:27:11 | Rori | it's all rumour right now |
| 20:27:35 | Rori | I like the original Apple display feel. Put that on |
| 20:27:56 | Rori | I could not believe I was playing Doom on it last night |
| 20:27:57 | practor | Rori: you do know that Apple is lawyer trigger happy, hehe. |
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| 20:28:25 | Rori | I mean. Doom! Years ago that would strain my PC |
| 20:28:34 | Rori | Tech moves so fast |
| 20:29:06 | Rori | I have a silcon case right now but I am looking at alternatives |
| 20:29:36 | Rori | Clear hard plastic is on the cards. Or invisible shield but that's a bit fiddly and does not seem to protect the edges |
| 20:29:38 | practor | i was looking at the tubes but they don't cover the screen |
| 20:29:50 | practor | which i heard was quite scratch prone |
| 20:29:53 | Rori | This has a screen protector with this skin but it's crap |
| 20:29:58 | Rori | moirs and rainbows |
| 20:30:12 | Rori | I hate that |
| 20:30:16 | practor | hehe |
| 20:30:40 | Rori | so probably gonna get the Agent 18 clear case |
| 20:30:51 | Rori | it covers everything but the wheel access |
| 20:31:15 | Rori | and still allows access to the hold, lanyard and headphone sockets |
| 20:31:47 | Rori | I want to see the shineyness those tubes get fluffed up and look and feel crabby |
| 20:32:24 | Rori | although if you drop it it's less likely to get damaged in a silicon skin I guess |
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| 20:32:59 | Rori | My iRiver H140 now sits idle |
| 20:33:43 | practor | heh, my wife's gonna flip, rockbox even has a sudoku plugin. |
| 20:33:51 | Rori | oh my |
| 20:34:07 | Rori | the only I dislike it the image viewer plugin on Rockbox |
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| 20:34:32 | Rori | seriously sucks compared to the Apple viewer. It does not fill the screen and no thumbs preview |
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| 20:35:34 | Rori | for some reason 1024x768 images are shrunk on the screen and zooming only makes it too big that you have to scroll around the image. Is anyone still working on the image viewer plugin? |
| 20:36:02 | Rori | Probably needs tweaking for iPod Nano's |
| 20:36:31 | preglow | it's just as it is on the other platforms |
| 20:36:48 | preglow | you think apple's is better? can you even zoom when using the apple picture viewer? |
| 20:37:25 | Rori | No but I want my screen filed by the image not black borders all around :) |
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| 20:37:31 | preglow | hahaha |
| 20:37:31 | Rori | *filled |
| 20:37:43 | preglow | the viewer will be souped up one day, but as of now, it works just as it should |
| 20:37:51 | preglow | the zoom levels are the only fast ones we can do |
| 20:38:01 | preglow | to have completely adjustable zoom will be slower |
| 20:38:07 | Rori | oh well can always boot to Apple and use that for image viewing |
| 20:38:17 | preglow | also, apple converts your pictures to target resolution |
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| 20:38:21 | preglow | so it's impossible to zoom, afaik |
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| 20:38:29 | preglow | the rockbox viewer uses the pictures as they are |
| 20:38:31 | Rori | just needs a fit to screen option |
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| 20:39:09 | practor | ok, gotta go guys. thanks again to the rockbox team. |
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| 20:39:23 | preglow | amiconn: can plugins start threads? :> |
| 20:39:47 | preglow | it would be cool if the jpeg viewer could decompress images in the background |
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| 20:43:45 | petur | hehe plug 'n play works for once :) |
| 20:44:09 | Rori | Despite all the crap Apple do in regards to DRM songs and batteries and support and accessories not included etc etc. They still make some damned fine tech. |
| 20:44:39 | Rori | I would never have considered an iPod though without Rockbox. It's like a dream come true :) |
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| 20:45:54 | linuxstb_ | Rori: Why don't you just run a batch image processing program to convert your images to the Nano's LCD size (176x132). As preglow said, that's what Apple's software does when it transfers your photos to an ipod. |
| 20:46:35 | Mikachu | Rori: the jpeg decoder can only show 1:1, 1:2, 1:4 and 1:8 |
| 20:46:54 | Mikachu | Rori: it scales at the decoding stage to save time |
| 20:47:41 | XavierGr | preglow: yes plugins can create threads AFAIK |
| 20:48:46 | XavierGr | also Rori: the apple image viewer doesn't let you view images while playback. |
| 20:48:57 | Rori | ah that makes sense. I forgot the Apple thing creates resized versions alongside the originals when you tick 'high res' in iTunes. Would be nice though if there was a way not to waste space like that and use the originals |
| 20:49:23 | Rori | But I still want thumbnails in the Rockbox browser ;) |
| 20:49:24 | Mikachu | scaling non-integer factors isn't trivial |
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| 20:49:58 | Rori | Neither was getting Doom to run I would imagine :) |
| 20:50:16 | Mikachu | heh, probably not |
| 20:50:29 | Mikachu | doom ran on my 25mhz 486sx though |
| 20:50:42 | Rori | it's possible it's just down to whomever makes the viewer plugin(s) |
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| 20:50:57 | Mikachu | the real question is, do normal matrices always have real eigenvalues? |
| 20:51:07 | XavierGr | if we start this we will have to make a very long list (what apple can't do) |
| 20:52:35 | Rori | of course but a better image viewer would still make it much better. Just a 'wish' of mine that's all :) |
| 20:53:07 | Rori | heck do you reckon the nano could decode low res mp4? |
| 20:53:27 | Rori | surprised no coder is working on a video playback plugin |
| 20:53:36 | Rori | or did I miss that? |
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| 20:55:03 | Rori | Can it? |
| 20:55:50 | Rori | divx/xvid/mp4/mkv/mp4 in mov and all the other container variants |
| 20:55:54 | Ribs | Rori: I would imagine it can play uncompressed stuff |
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| 20:56:03 | Ribs | but I don't think ratbox can do that |
| 20:56:05 | Ribs | ... yet :> |
| 20:56:17 | Rori | My mobile can playback Mp4 |
| 20:56:30 | Rori | I would have thought the Nano could do so too |
| 20:56:49 | preglow | your mobile is more powerful than the nano |
| 20:56:52 | Rori | low res |
| 20:56:54 | Kohlrabi | :) |
| 20:56:54 | preglow | but sure, it's not impossible |
| 20:57:01 | preglow | someone just needs to do it |
| 20:57:05 | preglow | i couldn't care less about video |
| 20:57:13 | Rori | is a Nokia 6230 more powerful than a Nano? |
| 20:58:02 | Rori | It needs to be done just to show it can :) |
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| 20:58:13 | Rori | and poo poo the Video iPod crowd a little lol |
| 20:58:50 | Rori | Like "Look! Nano can play video too! But Apple did not include because they are sour grapes and want to sell more expensive kit" ;) |
| 20:59:07 | Rori | Well OK the disk size and screen size is a factor |
| 20:59:14 | Rori | but still :) |
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| 21:00:31 | Rori | You can get a full movie in under 100MB easily depending on length. I had Shrek 2 on my phone. Not that I would watch it at that res. Well maybe if I was stuck in someplace with no TV etc |
| 21:02:35 | Rori | Posted on the foum to stir some response ;) |
| 21:02:38 | Rori | forum |
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| 21:08:06 | markun | Rori: what res is your phone? |
| 21:08:28 | Rori | about 1/3rd bigger than the Nano I think |
| 21:08:30 | qwm | :> |
| 21:08:40 | Rori | I don't know the actual res you can probably google it |
| 21:08:41 | qwm | comedy shows are definitely watchable at that resolution. imo. |
| 21:09:03 | Rori | yeah forget widescreen letterbox lol |
| 21:09:41 | markun | Rori: if you have a nokia 6230 it's only 128x128 |
| 21:09:44 | Rori | it's not about that though it's about if it can be done and if anyone is willing to do it. I wish I could :) |
| 21:10:00 | Rori | yeah I know it's low res |
| 21:10:17 | Rori | but looks ok when you play movies |
| 21:10:26 | markun | Rori: mirak wrote plugins for mpeg(1/2) and xvid decoding |
| 21:10:50 | Rori | I wonder if they would work on the Nano if I drop them in |
| 21:11:02 | markun | Sure, but very very slow |
| 21:11:06 | Rori | where can I grab it to try? |
| 21:11:08 | qwm | hm? |
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| 21:11:26 | Rori | I'd need to encode a small sample. Might be easier to pull that movie off my mobile and see |
| 21:11:28 | Rori | lol |
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| 21:11:54 | Rori | oh crap it's in their proprietary qt format oh well...need to encode a tes at the Nano res really |
| 21:12:00 | Rori | *test |
| 21:13:37 | Rori | Ety ER-6i's how much is too much for them in the UK? I'm thinking £60 inc postage off Ebay. Seeing as I can get them from Amazon for £68 |
| 21:13:45 | qwm | i'd sell my soul if it allowed me to view fawlty towers at 25fps (encoded in xvid) on the nano.. |
| 21:13:54 | Rori | cool |
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| 21:14:25 | Rori | if I can get that plugin I'd give it a try. But I bet it will error out |
| 21:14:35 | Rori | or run like poo slow hehe |
| 21:16:14 | Rori | These earphones better live up to their promise. |
| 21:16:23 | markun | Rori: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4&cat=35 |
| 21:16:27 | Rori | thx |
| 21:16:35 | Rori | will test it later on |
| 21:16:40 | Rori | let ya know ;) |
| 21:16:41 | qwm | hm. mpeg1 is slow too? |
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| 21:16:50 | qwm | is itless slow than xvid? |
| 21:17:42 | Rori | oh no xvid decoder proper yet |
| 21:17:44 | Rori | bummer |
| 21:17:59 | Rori | just a raw image extractor |
| 21:18:52 | Rori | well at least people are working on bits of it |
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| 21:19:34 | Rori | not compiled either |
| 21:20:07 | Rori | oh well that's no go for me since I don't have the bits to compile with |
| 21:20:10 | qwm | :> |
| 21:20:11 | qwm | yep. |
| 21:20:19 | qwm | hooray for the good people in this world. |
| 21:20:28 | Rori | indeed |
| 21:20:48 | Rori | Hooray for freeware coders and hackers |
| 21:21:01 | qwm | don't confuse freeware with free software. |
| 21:21:01 | qwm | :p |
| 21:21:22 | Rori | Hey Allway Sync is freeware but guess what? |
| 21:21:35 | Rori | If you use it heavily they make it trialware :P |
| 21:21:44 | Rori | I just found that out |
| 21:22:07 | Rori | been using it happily for sometime then poof! it stops working. Even though they say it's freeware. |
| 21:22:28 | Rori | Then you suddenly need the 'pro' version lol |
| 21:24:07 | Rori | I got some bread pudding today. I can't stop eating it. I surely will have bad guts tomorrow hehe |
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| 21:26:04 | Rori | ebay bids coming up on those earphones. currently at £41. I want them for under £60. I will put max bid of £60 at the last minute |
| 21:26:21 | Rori | unless someone snipes me of course |
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| 21:33:23 | Rori | cool |
| 21:33:35 | Rori | Won it £41 plus £2 postage |
| 21:34:05 | klrspz | i got some sennheisers, they rock |
| 21:34:12 | klrspz | 17+ shipping... best pair i've ever owned :) |
| 21:34:21 | klrspz | 17 usd btw, not 2,920.59 |
| 21:34:23 | klrspz | errr whoops |
| 21:34:25 | klrspz | not pounds |
| 21:35:03 | Rori | I have some Senn PX100's |
| 21:35:05 | Rori | They rule |
| 21:35:25 | Rori | But I wanted some earphone isolators |
| 21:35:49 | Rori | I got a good price on these ER-6i's it looks like |
| 21:36:17 | Rori | They retail for £68 for the black one's on Amazon.co.uk |
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| 21:36:25 | Rori | lowest price I could find |
| 21:36:43 | Rori | lets hope the ebay seller is ok |
| 21:37:27 | Rori | Anyone here have tinnitus? I have it and it's the suck. Not sure if it's noise damage though. Could be anything. :P |
| 21:37:47 | buraianto | I have tinitis |
| 21:37:57 | buraianto | or however you spell it |
| 21:38:00 | Rori | heh |
| 21:38:03 | Rori | Hissy? |
| 21:38:05 | buraianto | but my dad has it pretty bad, so I figure it's genetic |
| 21:38:15 | sharpe | i am home! |
| 21:38:21 | buraianto | just high-pitched noise |
| 21:38:22 | Rori | Mines hissy and reactive mostly althugh I have a mixtures of tones at various volumes |
| 21:38:57 | Rori | annoying but since there is no cure watchoo gonna do? |
| 21:39:03 | buraianto | mine isn't that bad so if there is noise I don't really notice it |
| 21:39:08 | Rori | just carry on as best you can |
| 21:39:10 | sharpe | i hear switching power supplies |
| 21:39:19 | buraianto | I hear dead people |
| 21:39:23 | Rori | my TV sets mine off something awful |
| 21:39:23 | sharpe | i really do though |
| 21:39:26 | buraianto | I mean, tv |
| 21:39:51 | sharpe | i can hear when a tv is on without even seeing it |
| 21:39:54 | Rori | something about the tv audio makes mine hiss |
| 21:39:59 | Rori | yep |
| 21:40:01 | buraianto | sharpe: yeah, I can too |
| 21:40:22 | Rori | sharpe you have tinnitus too? |
| 21:40:28 | sharpe | i don't think so |
| 21:40:45 | Rori | if you are in a very quiet room do you hear any hissing or tones? |
| 21:40:50 | preglow | everyone has some degree of tinnitus |
| 21:40:57 | Rori | yeah I know preglow |
| 21:40:58 | preglow | it's normal |
| 21:40:59 | sharpe | because i really only hear it when it's like, an electronic |
| 21:41:10 | Rori | but mine is intrusive |
| 21:41:15 | preglow | sure, i've got it too |
| 21:41:25 | preglow | i can hear it pretty much all the time when nothing major is going on |
| 21:41:29 | preglow | doesn't bother me at all |
| 21:41:33 | Rori | it hisses like crazy sometimes |
| 21:41:40 | sharpe | if i actually try to hear it, then i can i suppose |
| 21:41:42 | buraianto | my dad says it's hard for him to fall asleep sometimes because it gets so loud (and no, I don't live at home. :) |
| 21:42:00 | Rori | I mask it if it gets bad when I try to sleep |
| 21:42:09 | Rori | put the radio on or something |
| 21:42:25 | Rori | I have hissing and morse code of different tones in each ear |
| 21:42:39 | Rori | if I knew morse code I could decode it ;) |
| 21:42:45 | buraianto | I get the morse code thing sometimes. it's weird |
| 21:42:54 | buraianto | maybe it's alien signals :$ |
| 21:42:57 | Rori | "Kill president Bush. Kill preside Bush" ;) |
| 21:43:09 | Rori | typo's and all |
| 21:43:37 | Rori | mines taken a rather sinister turn of late. sometimes when I wake up I hear it rumbling |
| 21:43:59 | Rori | my auditory system is broken lol |
| 21:44:00 | amiconn | It seems the H1x0 schematics are lacking some important details :( |
| 21:45:05 | amiconn | The UDA is clocked externally (otherwise it wouldn't work with the current setup in rockbox), but it's not visible from where |
| 21:45:39 | amiconn | I would think either MCLK1 or MCLK2, but both these and the SYSCLK input of the UDA are drawn as not connected... |
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| 21:50:35 | sharpe | hmm |
| 21:50:39 | sharpe | maybe i'll go play some games |
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| 21:52:26 | sharpe | i think that's what i'll do. |
| 21:53:09 | amiconn | It seems some experimentation ist due |
| 21:53:12 | sharpe | later everyone, i'll be back in a little bit. |
| 21:53:28 | sharpe | to, maybe eventually work on the emulator! who know?! |
| 21:53:29 | sharpe | s. |
| 21:53:50 | * | sharpe goes. |
| 21:56:38 | Rori | Super NES |
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| 21:56:42 | Rori | heh |
| 21:57:01 | Rori | Atari Jaguar ;) |
| 21:57:12 | Rori | Tempest 2000! |
| 21:57:22 | dwihno | NES! |
| 21:57:26 | Rori | where else for a scroll wheel? |
| 21:57:36 | Rori | Tempest 2000 with scroll wheel! |
| 21:57:44 | Rori | that would own soooooo hard! |
| 21:57:56 | Rori | it's made for it |
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| 21:58:11 | kibble | did I hear rockbox supports xm? |
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| 22:00:21 | preglow | not yet |
| 22:00:40 | kibble | with xm, will it support mod and IT? |
| 22:00:50 | kibble | i would imagine IT is simply too much processing power |
| 22:01:31 | Rori | awwwww |
| 22:01:37 | Rori | I reckon it can do it |
| 22:01:45 | Rori | If it can do Doom it can do IT!] |
| 22:01:58 | crwl | yes, IT doesn't necessarily need any more power |
| 22:02:11 | Rori | I shall use Doom as an example everytime someone says it cannot be done ;) |
| 22:02:25 | crwl | and even XM files can have up to 32 channels... though IT could've supported even 64 |
| 22:02:46 | Rori | mind you no music in Doom |
| 22:03:00 | Rori | just sound FX |
| 22:03:02 | kibble | doom 1 running is not impressive |
| 22:03:20 | Rori | I suppose so |
| 22:03:31 | Rori | it's only bitmaps anyhow |
| 22:03:33 | kibble | it was originally built for computers as powerful as an ipod |
| 22:03:36 | Rori | just being rastered |
| 22:04:19 | kibble | a nice rockbox feature would be prioritizing the processor towards mp3 playback rather than other misc processes |
| 22:04:25 | kibble | scrolling tends to cause music to gap |
| 22:04:35 | kibble | or playing chess |
| 22:04:45 | kibble | better the music not stop,a nd other programs take longer |
| 22:05:13 | nobelium | hmm..my rockbox is acting weird |
| 22:05:21 | nobelium | very slow scrolling on a Temp dir |
| 22:05:27 | nobelium | but fast scrolling on the music dir |
| 22:05:41 | nobelium | and sometimes a music stops after some minutes and jumps to the next one |
| 22:05:51 | nobelium | also sometiems I can't load a music |
| 22:05:55 | nobelium | I have to click twice |
| 22:06:04 | nobelium | already resetted settings :s |
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| 22:09:51 | nobelium | music seems accelerated |
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| 22:10:12 | Rincewind | hi |
| 22:10:36 | Rincewind | i have a few questions for the vmware dev platform |
| 22:10:51 | Rori | I wish iTunes would not launch when I connect my Nano |
| 22:11:18 | Rori | ah an option |
| 22:11:20 | Rori | missed that |
| 22:11:37 | Rori | unticks that crap |
| 22:11:44 | Rincewind | is it possible to build the sdl-sim for windows with the vmware? |
| 22:12:02 | amiconn | Rori: Uninstall it... |
| 22:12:10 | amiconn | Rincewind: yes |
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| 22:12:37 | Rincewind | how? If I choose sim for h120 I get a linux binary |
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| 22:12:55 | amiconn | Ah, you mean crosscompiling the sim... |
| 22:13:33 | amiconn | That should be possible (the old win32 sim could also be crosscompiled on linux), but it's not implemented yet in the build system |
| 22:15:01 | Rincewind | so right now it isn't possible to build the win32 sim with vmware, right? |
| 22:15:50 | Rincewind | it's not a big problem, the sim is functional inside the image |
| 22:16:32 | Rincewind | another thing: I can't change the keyboard layout |
| 22:16:37 | amiconn | Yes, and in fact the sdl sim behaves a little better on linux |
| 22:16:52 | Rincewind | if i run kbdconfig the options aren't applied |
| 22:16:59 | amiconn | On windows sdl can't write stdout stuff to the console, so it writes to a file |
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| 22:19:03 | Rincewind | amiconn, do you have a solution for my second problem? |
| 22:19:25 | amiconn | I have no idea... |
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| 22:20:47 | Rincewind | kbdconfig is working fine, but when i exit it, the options aren't applied. And the other tool which is described in the wiki isn't loading (errors) |
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| 22:26:29 | Rincewind | another thing: I am left-handed. Is it possible to swap the mouse buttons in the window manager of the vmware platform? |
| 22:27:27 | kibble | wrong channel? |
| 22:28:45 | Rincewind | i don't think so, I'm talking of the special Rockbox-Vmware-Development platform |
| 22:29:56 | Rincewind | I'm not familiar with linux, I apologize if my questions seem stupid |
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| 22:32:16 | amiconn | Rincewind: Unfortunately I don't know much about how that stuff works at th elow level in linux. While I also use linux for some things, even in vmware, my installations include the full gnome desktop where I can set such stuff more convenient. |
| 22:32:37 | preglow | what window manager does it use? |
| 22:32:42 | amiconn | Unfortunately a full-blown installation including gnome is in the gigabyte range ... |
| 22:32:53 | amiconn | fluxbox iirc |
| 22:32:56 | preglow | uch |
| 22:33:02 | Rincewind | it uses fluxbox |
| 22:33:04 | preglow | put xfce in it :) |
| 22:33:44 | amiconn | Even changing the sh compiler was a bit difficult... |
| 22:33:48 | Rincewind | I'm an ISDN-User so I have to stick with the Image I have. |
| 22:34:41 | Rincewind | i don't know if it is possible to extend it "on the fly" |
| 22:35:12 | preglow | on isdn you pretty much don't want to, heh |
| 22:35:23 | amiconn | Wow, downloading the vmware image @isdn speed... |
| 22:35:25 | preglow | but the mouse settings might be something you want to do directly with x |
| 22:35:37 | Rincewind | it took me about 10 hours |
| 22:35:39 | * | amiconn already thought his vmimage upload was slooow |
| 22:36:05 | preglow | i've gotta try this vm thing once |
| 22:36:09 | amiconn | 384k dsl upstream... |
| 22:36:12 | Rincewind | with a good download manager it is ok (took me about half a week) |
| 22:36:13 | preglow | though i don't really need it after i dropped windows |
| 22:36:31 | amiconn | That reminds me... |
| 22:37:17 | preglow | but if i'm forced to use windows again, then that is definitely what i'll use |
| 22:37:22 | preglow | i've never liked cygwin |
| 22:37:28 | Rincewind | preglow: but x isn't installed in the image right? |
| 22:38:36 | preglow | no idea |
| 22:38:37 | preglow | never tried it |
| 22:38:43 | preglow | if it's got fluxbox, then it should have x |
| 22:38:57 | Rincewind | from the wiki: XFree86 (X11) is included |
| 22:39:21 | amiconn | Someone should build a new vmimage |
| 22:39:34 | amiconn | The current one is based on debian stable... |
| 22:39:43 | preglow | does it matter? |
| 22:40:04 | amiconn | Not sure, it might |
| 22:40:04 | preglow | the cross compilers are what matters anyway |
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| 22:40:12 | amiconn | Not much anyway |
| 22:40:45 | amiconn | xfree86 is replaced by xorg in all newer distros, right? |
| 22:41:15 | Rincewind | is there a config utility for xfree86 which might be included? |
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| 22:45:55 | PaulJam_ | Rincewind: i'm not sure, but maye you can change the mousebuttons with xmodmap |
| 22:46:37 | Digital_Coma | i heard rockbox was not made by fags |
| 22:46:47 | Hansmaulwurf | I want to thank everyone who worked on the optical-in recording |
| 22:46:51 | Hansmaulwurf | i could cry |
| 22:46:58 | Hansmaulwurf | :) |
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| 22:47:52 | preglow | haha |
| 22:47:58 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 22:48:09 | Digital_Coma | maybe i heard wrong |
| 22:48:38 | preglow | Hansmaulwurf: tried it? |
| 22:49:16 | Hansmaulwurf | preglow: yes |
| 22:49:22 | preglow | works fine? |
| 22:49:36 | Hansmaulwurf | just tested it with my notebook |
| 22:49:39 | Hansmaulwurf | but yes it works |
| 22:49:50 | Rincewind | hm: "Xlib: connection to":0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: No protocol specified" "xmodmap: unable to open display ' :0.0'" |
| 22:50:24 | Hansmaulwurf | tomorrow i will try it with my sat-reviever |
| 22:50:30 | Hansmaulwurf | reciever |
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| 22:50:48 | Hansmaulwurf | that aint 48kHz I think |
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| 22:51:47 | preglow | Hansmaulwurf: cool |
| 22:51:53 | Rincewind | if i run xmodmap as "user" it works, but it seems to be a tool to configure shift, control, alt etc |
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| 22:53:07 | Hansmaulwurf | preglow: yeah i hope it will work, would be very easy then to record some fine radio station |
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| 22:55:02 | PaulJam_ | Rincewind: you could try something like 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"' |
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| 22:55:47 | Hansmaulwurf | btw, is it a bug of my WPS or normal that the WPS doenst show the next song when the last song of a directory is running? |
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| 22:56:10 | Rincewind | "bad buttons input line" "unable to open file '3' for reading"... |
| 22:56:11 | preglow | correct |
| 22:56:16 | Hansmaulwurf | i have automatic change to next directory activated |
| 22:56:21 | preglow | the next dir isn't read until the last song is finished |
| 22:56:26 | Rincewind | oh, i left out the " |
| 22:56:28 | Hansmaulwurf | ok |
| 22:56:57 | Rincewind | which key is is " on US-Layout? |
| 22:57:25 | Digital_Coma | alt-454 |
| 22:58:01 | Rincewind | this isn't working |
| 22:58:18 | Hansmaulwurf | Rincewind: ä on a german keyboard :P |
| 22:58:26 | Rincewind | thanks |
| 22:58:39 | Hansmaulwurf | oh you have a german keyboard? ok ^^ |
| 22:59:01 | Rincewind | damn, alt-454 was used to repeat the key 454 times ^^ |
| 22:59:22 | * | Rincewind is german |
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| 23:00:59 | amiconn | preglow: Remember the discussion how to handle encoding codecs in conjunction with voice? |
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| 23:01:25 | amiconn | I just realised that encoding is less time critical than decoding |
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| 23:02:29 | petur | why? |
| 23:03:09 | petur | it's probably ok as long as it's faster as realtime |
| 23:03:30 | amiconn | Yes, but it only needs to be faster than realtime on average |
| 23:03:51 | amiconn | It doesn't matter if we run a few seconds behind occasionally |
| 23:04:20 | amiconn | (as long as our buffer is large enough) |
| 23:04:55 | preglow | amiconn: yes |
| 23:05:05 | preglow | sure |
| 23:05:17 | preglow | as long as we have a largeish pcm buffer |
| 23:05:34 | amiconn | Either that, or we don't use separate buffers |
| 23:06:01 | preglow | mwell, that would entail memcpying, i'd believe |
| 23:06:10 | amiconn | Not necessarily |
| 23:06:15 | preglow | but yeah |
| 23:06:25 | preglow | we need to look into a dedicated speech codec |
| 23:06:27 | Rincewind | yes! My Buttons are changed! |
| 23:06:32 | preglow | making mp3 even faster than it is |
| 23:06:34 | preglow | even with no iram |
| 23:08:02 | amiconn | We could stick with the swapping approach, but I agree that it's better to get rid of that complexity layer |
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| 23:08:15 | amiconn | ...even causing crashes because of iram clash |
| 23:08:36 | amiconn | Would speex be less demanding than mp3? |
| 23:08:56 | preglow | i'm really hoping and guessing so |
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| 23:09:23 | preglow | i would be very surprised if it wasn't so |
| 23:09:29 | preglow | it uses a lot of easily optimisable components |
| 23:09:35 | preglow | and the technology itself is less complex |
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| 23:20:39 | markun | preglow: and speex comes with arm optimizations |
| 23:20:53 | amiconn | Wargh! |
| 23:20:54 | preglow | markun: would be pretty easy to optimise for coldfire too |
| 23:20:58 | * | amiconn spotted a hack |
| 23:21:09 | preglow | "surprise" |
| 23:21:42 | amiconn | Now I know why recording shuts down when save_interval > poweroff_timeout |
| 23:22:11 | amiconn | firmware:powermgmt.c:443..444 |
| 23:22:28 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:22:36 | amiconn | On archos, recording and playback are handled by the same thread, |
| 23:22:48 | amiconn | so audio status is != 0 when recording |
| 23:22:57 | preglow | wtf, the new libspeex suddenly has tons of fft code |
| 23:23:14 | preglow | ahh, probably because of the vorbis psymodel thing |
| 23:23:16 | amiconn | On swcodec it's different... |
| 23:23:51 | amiconn | But anyway, firmware code calling an app layer function (in case of swcodec)... |
| 23:24:01 | amiconn | (line 426) |
| 23:24:13 | preglow | how is that permitted? |
| 23:24:43 | preglow | every time i've tried that, gcc has almost kicked me out of the building, heh |
| 23:24:56 | amiconn | It shouldn't. Looks like an oversight. On archos this call is permitted, since the playback code is firmware layer |
| 23:25:10 | preglow | ahh, so it's in the header, yes |
| 23:25:11 | preglow | of course |
| 23:25:28 | amiconn | In this case it probably works because the archos header still declares the function |
| 23:26:18 | preglow | hrmph |
| 23:26:20 | amiconn | Hrrmmm |
| 23:26:25 | preglow | arm5 really has a ton of nice little dsp instructions |
| 23:26:27 | amiconn | Design decision... |
| 23:28:47 | preglow | wooot, it looks like speex has finally dropped using libm trig functions |
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| 23:30:30 | amiconn | This poweroff thing looks messy |
| 23:30:44 | preglow | no, it hasn't... |
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| 23:35:53 | amiconn | I think there should be a function that the app layer can use to 'lock' the unit into on state. This function would then be used by playback, recording etc. The poweroff timer would then run only if the on state is unlocked |
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| 23:37:28 | amiconn | Even better: A lock with a counter similar to the boost counter |
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