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| 00:01:20 | markun | midkay: will you be working on the viewer this weekend? |
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| 00:14:10 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 00:14:53 | markun | "Jeanny, quit living on dreams.." |
| 00:14:59 | markun | Hi Falco :) |
| 00:15:01 | Falco98 | wow it's tomorrow already.. |
| 00:15:21 | Falco98 | can anyone tell me the future? :-P |
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| 00:21:13 | wes | Can someone tell me if the rockbox should work on a 10gb grayscale ipod? I'm not looking for guarantees, just suggestions |
| 00:21:34 | wes | On the website I only saw the 4gb grayscale mentioned, but I could have been looking in the wrong place |
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| 00:23:39 | petur | the g is from generation, not GB |
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| 00:23:52 | petur | so it's 4g not 4gb |
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| 00:34:24 | preglow | wes: what ipod? |
| 00:34:38 | preglow | saying it's grayscale is not enough to identify what type it is |
| 00:34:50 | preglow | if it's 10gb it sounds like it's a 3g or earlier |
| 00:34:55 | preglow | in which case, no, not supported |
| 00:35:12 | wes | hmm... How can I tell by looking at it preglow? It's right here in front of me |
| 00:36:01 | petur | don't the ipl have a page how to recognize your model? |
| 00:36:18 | wes | ipl? |
| 00:36:56 | petur | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 00:37:24 | amiconn | Someone pleeze change this 1g / 2g etc stuff. It seems to confuse people a lot |
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| 00:37:47 | * | petur goes wiki |
| 00:37:58 | preglow | change it to what? |
| 00:38:06 | petur | front page says gen, not g |
| 00:38:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:38:20 | wes | oh, ipl=ipodlinux. I found it. They say its 2nd generation |
| 00:38:43 | wes | yeah, I thought some of the g's were gb's |
| 00:39:23 | amiconn | Either 1st gen, 2nd gen, or, if that's too long, switch order: g1, g2 ... |
| 00:39:37 | midkay | markun, yes, most likely, why? |
| 00:40:05 | preglow | wes: then no |
| 00:40:14 | preglow | wes: no support yet, we don't have a developer with one of those |
| 00:40:18 | preglow | weird, really... |
| 00:40:26 | amiconn | Might be especially confusing for mini, since (afaik) there's a 2GB model, but that would be a 1st gen... |
| 00:40:28 | wes | preglow: ok, thanks. I'll check back every once and a while |
| 00:40:40 | wes | I mean I'll check back on the website |
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| 00:41:34 | amiconn | ...and 4GB minis were confused with the 4th gen ipod... |
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| 00:44:17 | andy__ | i'm working on getting recording to work on the x5.. no luck so far |
| 00:44:52 | andy__ | but it should be pretty close now :) |
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| 00:49:11 | preglow | shouldn't be too hard? |
| 00:49:20 | preglow | most code is shared with iriver, afaik |
| 00:50:23 | amiconn | (1) You need to know the iis channel for analog recording |
| 00:50:39 | amiconn | (2) You need code to set the tlv320 into recording mode |
| 00:52:03 | andy__ | sure |
| 00:53:10 | andy__ | it's a bit of trial and error.. but since the x5 uses iis1 for playback (while iriver uses iis2), the x5 should be using iis3 for recording |
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| 00:53:41 | amiconn | It could as well use iis1 or iis4 |
| 00:53:46 | preglow | yeah |
| 00:54:09 | andy__ | it could also be wired to iis1 but then there would be no feedback of the recording i guess |
| 00:54:10 | amiconn | There is nothing that forbids using iis1 full duplex |
| 00:54:31 | andy__ | aha.. |
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| 00:57:16 | petur | andy__: what feedback on the recording? on iriver this is done through the mixer of the UDA, not output by the coldfire (don't know what spdif does tho) |
| 00:57:38 | amiconn | petur: It is no longer done by the UDA mixer... |
| 00:57:45 | andy__ | petur: the digital data passes the cpu back to the uda while recording |
| 00:58:12 | petur | also when using analog source? |
| 00:58:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:58:41 | petur | didn't know you changed that too |
| 00:58:42 | amiconn | Since yesterday :) |
| 00:58:50 | petur | naughty boy |
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| 01:01:39 | andy__ | hm.. has anyone time to take a look at the tlv320 sheet.. i can't fint the magic switch to enable the adc to send i2s data.. there is just like a power-on for adc and line/mic, and some input selection and volume.. |
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| 01:02:26 | amiconn | Yes, you somehow need to tell the tlv to be the iis clock master |
| 01:03:17 | andy__ | aha.. the master flag |
| 01:04:22 | amiconn | register 7 |
| 01:04:35 | andy__ | yep.. bit 6 |
| 01:04:59 | petur | amiconn: your change switches off monitoring when going to the recording menu |
| 01:05:08 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:05:19 | amiconn | At least if you have voice enabled |
| 01:06:12 | petur | because there's no code to mix voice into the monitor I guess |
| 01:07:09 | amiconn | The monitor signal is now routed through the coldfire audio interface, as digital signal. There's no provision for mixing |
| 01:07:34 | amiconn | The inability to mix in voice is a drawback, I realised that today |
| 01:07:39 | petur | so there goes the voicing of the recording screen... |
| 01:07:58 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 01:08:05 | amiconn | At least it's consistent |
| 01:08:23 | amiconn | ..and in fact, that's not correct |
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| 01:08:42 | amiconn | We could still voice the recording screen, interrupting the monitoring signal during voice |
| 01:08:56 | petur | ah yes |
| 01:09:06 | petur | switch, not mix |
| 01:09:13 | amiconn | That's why we neeeed a proper driver for the coldfire audio interface |
| 01:09:52 | amiconn | The current code is messy, and will e.g. mess up monitoring when the voice is still babbling while entering the recording screen |
| 01:10:43 | amiconn | There are some reasons why I think the new way of monitoring is better: (1) It's consistent between analog and spdif recording |
| 01:11:13 | amiconn | (2) We need an SCLK source for monitoring analog in via spdif out anyway |
| 01:11:50 | amiconn | (3) You can hear the digital distortion in the monitor signal if your recording level is too high |
| 01:12:55 | * | petur uses cliplight for that :) |
| 01:13:14 | amiconn | Do you _hear_ the light? ;-) |
| 01:13:23 | amiconn | "Color sound" |
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| 01:13:45 | kibble | why has no one created a visualizer for rockbox? |
| 01:13:47 | kibble | WHY GOD WHY |
| 01:13:54 | petur | most gigs I record are quite loud so monitoring is useless anyway :) |
| 01:13:58 | Mikachu | kibble: plugins -> oscilloscope |
| 01:14:06 | kibble | thats not very effective |
| 01:14:10 | kibble | you have to go find it and run it |
| 01:14:32 | kibble | its time to impliment milkdrop and run automatically after 15 secodns |
| 01:14:41 | Mikachu | that would be nice |
| 01:14:50 | * | Mikachu wakes up |
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| 01:19:57 | | Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:20:37 | kibble | TCK? FROM OCREMIX OMFG |
| 01:20:48 | preglow | lolrofl |
| 01:20:49 | Mikachu | him too? |
| 01:20:51 | amiconn | wes: A hint how to find which iis input is connected to the tlv: Add a debug menu item that measures all 3 input clocks sequencially (via the freqmeas circuit), and then try setting the tlv to clock master. |
| 01:20:54 | kibble | lmfaoinggng |
| 01:21:04 | amiconn | One of the 3 iis clock inputs should show a clock... |
| 01:21:04 | Mikachu | kibble: i checked my log, you were kicked 21 times from #ocremix in it |
| 01:21:13 | kibble | 21 thousand times? |
| 01:21:35 | Mikachu | you would think so, but no |
| 01:21:43 | kibble | I recently owned a bunch of ocremix faggots |
| 01:21:56 | petur | there we go again |
| 01:22:33 | kibble | http://forum.unmod.org/viewtopic.php?t=146 |
| 01:23:01 | kibble | (15:43:16) * zircon was kicked by double7 (You're a tool. A Tool. Another Victory for BS Inc.) |
| 01:23:04 | kibble | (15:43:16) <@JtDL> Connection problems? |
| 01:23:06 | kibble | (15:43:19) <@JtDL> wtf |
| 01:23:09 | kibble | (15:43:19) * TCK was kicked by double7 (Get out Spie. Another Victory for BS Inc.) |
| 01:23:11 | kibble | (15:43:21) <@pixietricks|sustenance> either those above two options, or you can just go to www.vgdj.net and save the mp3's |
| 01:23:14 | kibble | (15:43:23) * djpretzel was kicked by double7 (Your website sucks a lot more now. How did you manage that?. Another Victory for BS Inc.) |
| 01:23:16 | kibble | (15:43:25) * Inanna was kicked by double7 (Every try to actually secure etg? I'll buy you a manual sometime. Another Victory for BS Inc.) |
| 01:23:25 | petur | kibble: stop that please |
| 01:23:45 | kibble | or else what, you'll use your glower power? |
| 01:23:55 | preglow | kibble: he didn't say or what |
| 01:24:01 | preglow | he even said please |
| 01:24:04 | petur | no else, I just ask politely |
| 01:24:13 | kibble | the feeble inaction of a rnd fgt |
| 01:24:33 | preglow | god, i love you |
| 01:24:50 | kibble | WHY GOD WHY |
| 01:24:55 | preglow | faggot, remember |
| 01:24:58 | preglow | i assume you're one too |
| 01:25:03 | kibble | check out my recent work |
| 01:25:07 | preglow | hell no |
| 01:25:09 | kibble | http://www.bs-inc.org |
| 01:25:19 | kibble | good stuff |
| 01:26:33 | petur | wasting time on games huh? |
| 01:26:55 | kibble | shut uastsep fag who wastes time on irc |
| 01:27:37 | preglow | yeah, he's the one wasting it taking over channels |
| 01:28:28 | petur | Bagder's company 'thing' is taking long :\ |
| 01:28:43 | markun | midkay: saw someone complainging about the missing bookmark feature and was hoping you would fix it :) |
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| 01:29:07 | preglow | Bagder: i'm planning to nag him until more people gets ops |
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| 01:29:34 | andy__ | amiconn: i'm looking at the original firmware to see how they do it |
| 01:29:43 | preglow | perhaps i should just start in his absence |
| 01:30:49 | sharpe | 'lo rockbox peoples... |
| 01:32:07 | Davide-NYC | preglow, do you have any idea whether the AGC patch and the recent SPIDF code are compatible? |
| 01:32:08 | kibble | shut the fuck up prefag |
| 01:32:20 | Davide-NYC | urggh |
| 01:32:22 | preglow | Davide-NYC: none at all |
| 01:32:26 | preglow | Davide-NYC: and ignore the troll |
| 01:32:31 | kibble | shut the fuck up prefag |
| 01:32:33 | Davide-NYC | will do |
| 01:32:50 | kibble | Shut the fuck up David-Caused-911-NYC |
| 01:32:55 | preglow | haven't even looked at the patch |
| 01:33:08 | Davide-NYC | does it make sense to have Gain control on optical input? |
| 01:33:14 | kibble | no fag |
| 01:33:14 | preglow | nope, not for me |
| 01:33:22 | petur | Davide-NYC: the patch still works for analog recording |
| 01:33:39 | petur | don't know if it applies cleanly |
| 01:33:55 | petur | I can make you a new one if there are troubles |
| 01:34:06 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:34:09 | Davide-NYC | make me a new what? |
| 01:34:16 | petur | patch |
| 01:34:18 | Davide-NYC | build? |
| 01:34:32 | petur | ah you need a compiled build |
| 01:34:46 | Davide-NYC | OK, I'll compile a build from bleeding edge, applying the ACG patch and report back |
| 01:35:02 | Davide-NYC | I've only done this once so wish nme luck (haha) |
| 01:35:31 | Davide-NYC | (sound of newbie diving into cygwin) |
| 01:35:33 | kibble | grep |
| 01:35:36 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:35:46 | petur | echo too |
| 01:35:50 | sharpe | so preglow, how goes the developing? |
| 01:35:59 | kibble | shut up sharpfag |
| 01:36:06 | Davide-NYC | petur, what does echo too mean |
| 01:36:16 | Davide-NYC | sharpe, ignore the troll |
| 01:36:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:36:26 | kibble | why dont you ignore the troll, davidfag |
| 01:36:27 | petur | the troll keeps repeating the same shit |
| 01:36:33 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:36:34 | sharpe | what troll? i just see someone crying for attention. |
| 01:36:39 | petur | see |
| 01:36:45 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:36:50 | sharpe | anyway, anyone think i should work on the c64 emulator sometime? |
| 01:36:53 | Davide-NYC | I understand |
| 01:36:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK kibble |
| 01:36:53 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:36:56 | Davide-NYC | back soon |
| 01:36:59 | kibble | c64 had no good games |
| 01:37:01 | kibble | work on nes |
| 01:37:18 | kibble | and video |
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| 01:37:39 | | Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:37:58 | preglow | sharpe: not too fast, doing other work now |
| 01:38:15 | petur | be sure the code starts with if(user != kibble) { /* do great video stuff */ ... |
| 01:38:35 | sharpe | heh... |
| 01:38:43 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:38:48 | Davide-NYC | that's a bot |
| 01:38:55 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:38:56 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:38:56 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 01:38:56 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:38:57 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
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| 01:38:57 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:38:57 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
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| 01:38:57 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
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| 01:38:57 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags in here |
| 01:39:00 | Davide-NYC | question: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 01:39:08 | sharpe | nope, otherwise he wouldn't spite you like that. |
| 01:39:10 | Davide-NYC | gets me the bleeding edge source, right? |
| 01:39:11 | petur | didn't know there existed trollbots :) |
| 01:39:19 | kibble | Davide-NYC sure is an idiot |
| 01:39:36 | preglow | it's easy to confuse him for a bot |
| 01:39:40 | sharpe | true. |
| 01:39:56 | Davide-NYC | please answer my newbie dolt question |
| 01:40:12 | petur | wiki? |
| 01:40:12 | kibble | when will rockbox work for neo? |
| 01:40:20 | Davide-NYC | right petur |
| 01:40:21 | preglow | petur: well, they do, at least equivalents of trollbots |
| 01:40:28 | preglow | petur: lots of them born every day |
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| 01:41:54 | XavierGr | this guy seems to have rotten playing StarCraft! :P |
| 01:42:05 | kibble | english idiot? |
| 01:42:12 | kibble | http://www.bs-inc.org |
| 01:44:19 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:44:20 | preglow | no, he's just an idiot |
| 01:44:20 | Davide-NYC | while the entire RB souce is DLing may I ask what the -z3 switch does in CVS? |
| 01:44:23 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:44:35 | sharpe | compression, if i remember correctly... |
| 01:44:42 | kibble | zlib idiot |
| 01:46:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:46:57 | * | petur reads the acceptable use policy of cox.net :D |
| 01:47:03 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:04 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:04 | *** | Alert Mode level 8 |
| 01:47:04 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:04 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:05 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:07 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:09 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:11 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:13 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:15 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:17 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:19 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:22 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:23 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:25 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:25 | sharpe | i must admit, he is skilled with the pasting. |
| 01:47:27 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:29 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:31 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:32 | Davide-NYC | does anyone know if rec_agc_33.patch is the latest version? |
| 01:47:32 | XavierGr | where is bagder when you need him? |
| 01:47:33 | *** | Alert Mode level 24 |
| 01:47:33 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:35 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:37 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:39 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:41 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:43 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
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| 01:47:45 | kibble | sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here |
| 01:47:57 | kibble | hes right here idiot |
| 01:48:01 | kibble | are you BLIND? |
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| 01:48:41 | kibble | looks like you faggots are starving for sc logs. |
| 01:48:43 | kibble | [20:40:45] Entering channel: Brood War CAN-1 |
| 01:48:45 | kibble | [20:40:47] Entering channel: fag |
| 01:48:47 | kibble | [20:40:51] < - |
| 01:48:50 | kibble | ]> if you're rndly in west, let me know |
| 01:48:52 | kibble | [20:41:01] <Digital_Coma> we always do west, anything else is rnd |
| 01:48:55 | kibble | [20:41:10] <FROM Digital_Coma> Your friend Digital_Coma entered a Starcraft Broodwar game called 7v1 join. |
| 01:48:57 | kibble | [20:41:15] Entering game: 7v1 join |
| 01:49:00 | *** | Alert Mode level 31 |
| 01:49:00 | kibble | Map name: •Fa§te§t Po§§ible Map Ever• |
| 01:49:02 | kibble | [20:41:20] Protricity: got the wc2 ost? |
| 01:49:05 | kibble | [20:41:23] Digital_Coma: wait this is the shitty version |
| 01:49:07 | kibble | [20:41:24] Digital_Coma: rm |
| 01:49:10 | kibble | [20:41:30] Entering channel: fag |
| 01:49:12 | kibble | [20:42:00] <FROM Digital_Coma> Your friend Digital_Coma entered a Starcraft Broodwar game called 7v1 join. |
| 01:49:15 | kibble | [20:42:02] Entering game: 7v1 join |
| 01:49:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 32 |
| 01:49:17 | kibble | Map name: Fa§te§t Po§§ible Map Ever V2 |
| 01:49:18 | | Join quux [0] (n=bryan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/quuxo) |
| 01:49:20 | kibble | [20:42:07] Digital_Coma: no |
| 01:49:22 | kibble | [20:42:10] Protricity: want? |
| 01:49:25 | kibble | [20:42:12] Protricity: its good stuff |
| 01:49:27 | XavierGr | Please just go play starcarft. Isn't there a ladder to join? |
| 01:49:27 | kibble | [20:42:12] Digital_Coma: k |
| 01:49:30 | kibble | [20:42:15] Protricity: used to listen all the time] |
| 01:49:32 | kibble | [20:42:18] Protricity: then sc came out |
| 01:49:36 | kibble | [20:42:21] Digital_Coma: send |
| 01:49:38 | kibble | [20:42:22] Protricity: and I threw away my wc2 cd |
| 01:49:40 | kibble | [20:42:27] thkthkthkthkthk: go |
| 01:49:42 | kibble | [20:42:28] thkthkthkthkthk: already |
| 01:49:46 | kibble | [20:42:29] Digital_Coma: HEYFAG, shut up fag. |
| 01:49:48 | kibble | [20:42:33] Digital_Coma: rofl two bsees |
| 01:49:49 | nudelyn | I've not used /ignore for a good few years :) |
| 01:49:52 | kibble | [20:42:38] thkthkthkthkthk: go |
| 01:49:54 | kibble | [20:42:38] HEYFAG-X2: your the fag |
| 01:49:58 | kibble | [20:42:40] HEYFAG-X2: not me |
| 01:50:00 | kibble | [20:42:44] Digital_Coma: shut up fag |
| 01:50:04 | kibble | [20:42:49] Playing game... |
| 01:50:06 | kibble | Players: Protricity (Protoss, purple), Digital_Coma (Zerg, teal), david7 (Protoss, red), Baelrog Brood (Zerg, white), I_OWN_U_BIATCH (Protoss, orange), HEYFAG-X2 (Terran, brown), T.A.N.K. (Protoss, blue), thkthkthkthkthk (Terran, yellow) |
| 01:50:09 | * | linuxstb_ hugs /ignore |
| 01:50:12 | kibble | [20:43:02] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: teams? |
| 01:50:14 | kibble | [20:43:05] Digital_Coma: 7v1 n00b |
| 01:50:16 | kibble | [20:43:08] Digital_Coma: you bsing? |
| 01:50:18 | kibble | [20:43:18] Protricity: for some reason |
| 01:50:22 | XavierGr | yeah a must let me see. |
| 01:50:22 | kibble | [20:43:24] Protricity: this version isnt the exact ost |
| 01:50:24 | kibble | [20:43:24] HEYFAG-X2: \everyone |
| 01:50:26 | Davide-NYC | thank you nudelyn! |
| 01:50:28 | kibble | [20:43:26] Protricity: not sure why |
| 01:50:30 | kibble | [20:43:27] HEYFAG-X2: bsing? |
| 01:50:32 | kibble | [20:43:28] Digital_Coma: some fag is lag |
| 01:50:36 | kibble | [20:43:30] HEYFAG-X2: lol``? |
| 01:50:40 | kibble | [20:43:35] Digital_Coma: hey fag |
| 01:50:42 | kibble | [20:43:37] Protricity: gotta find the real ost |
| 01:50:46 | kibble | [20:43:38] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf? |
| 01:50:48 | kibble | [20:43:38] Digital_Coma: shut up heyfag |
| 01:50:50 | kibble | [20:43:40] Protricity: this is one of the shitty versions |
| 01:50:52 | kibble | [20:43:43] Digital_Coma: pwnt |
| 01:50:56 | kibble | [20:43:44] Protricity: like ps1 or bnet |
| 01:50:58 | kibble | [20:43:45] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: stop calling peiople fags |
| 01:51:02 | kibble | [20:43:49] Protricity: shut up fag |
| 01:51:04 | kibble | [20:43:53] Digital_Coma: sure thing faggot |
| 01:51:06 | kibble | [20:44:01] Digital_Coma: what's with the lag |
| 01:51:08 | kibble | [20:44:04] Digital_Coma: who's lag hacking? |
| 01:51:12 | kibble | [20:44:15] Digital_Coma: nigger brown bsing |
| 01:51:14 | kibble | [20:44:19] Digital_Coma: sucks :( |
| 01:51:17 | quux | kibble: Hi, I'm pm'ing you ... |
| 01:51:20 | kibble | [20:44:23] Protricity: |
| 01:51:22 | kibble | I_OWN_U_BIATCH: Im going to kill everyone. |
| 01:51:24 | kibble | [20:44:24] HEYFAG-X2: why? |
| 01:51:26 | kibble | [20:44:26] Digital_Coma: WTF |
| 01:51:30 | kibble | [20:44:27] HEYFAG-X2: ill die? |
| 01:51:32 | kibble | [20:44:27] Digital_Coma: LOOK |
| 01:51:36 | kibble | [20:44:32] Digital_Coma: WTF |
| 01:51:38 | kibble | [20:44:44] Digital_Coma: OJ GONNA S |
| 01:51:42 | kibble | [20:44:48] Digital_Coma: BROWN UNALLIED |
| 01:51:44 | kibble | [20:44:58] HEYFAG-X2: i never allied |
| 01:51:48 | kibble | [20:45:02] HEYFAG-X2: so i never unallied |
| 01:51:50 | kibble | [20:45:02] Digital_Coma: yes you did n00b |
| 01:51:54 | kibble | [20:45:04] Digital_Coma: then you unallied |
| 01:51:55 | sharpe | hmm... there are many feature requests for the same thing... |
| 01:51:56 | kibble | [20:45:06] Digital_Coma: so shut up |
| 01:51:58 | kibble | [20:45:11] Protricity: |
| 01:52:00 | kibble | I_OWN_U_BIATCH: FUCK YOU ALL HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:52:06 | kibble | [20:45:11] HEYFAG-X2: i never unallied |
| 01:52:10 | kibble | [20:45:13] HEYFAG-X2: u idiot |
| 01:52:14 | kibble | [20:45:15] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf |
| 01:52:16 | kibble | [20:45:16] Digital_Coma: shut up moron |
| 01:52:18 | kibble | [20:45:17] Digital_Coma: orange bsing |
| 01:52:20 | kibble | [20:45:23] Protricity: orange you fucker |
| 01:52:24 | kibble | [20:45:24] HEYFAG-X2: yellow |
| 01:52:26 | kibble | [20:45:24] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf? |
| 01:52:30 | kibble | [20:45:27] HEYFAG-X2: they all unallied me |
| 01:52:32 | kibble | [20:45:40] Protricity: damnit orange is ruining the game |
| 01:52:34 | kibble | [20:45:53] Protricity: omfg |
| 01:52:36 | kibble | [20:45:56] Digital_Coma: rofl |
| 01:52:40 | kibble | [20:46:01] Protricity: WHAT THE FUCK IS BROWN DOING |
| 01:52:42 | kibble | [20:46:05] Digital_Coma: yellow and brown team bsing |
| 01:52:46 | kibble | [20:46:17] Digital_Coma: lmfao |
| 01:52:48 | kibble | [20:46:22] Digital_Coma: brown is going to build in yellow's nbase |
| 01:52:52 | kibble | [20:46:35] Protricity: brown you fucker |
| 01:52:54 | kibble | [20:46:44] Digital_Coma: rofl brown left his whoel base |
| 01:52:56 | kibble | [20:46:51] Digital_Coma: gj fellow bser |
| 01:52:58 | kibble | [20:40:45] Entering channel: Brood War CAN-1 |
| 01:53:00 | kibble | [20:47:01] Digital_Coma: rofl brownh acking |
| 01:53:02 | kibble | [20:46:49] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: lol |
| 01:53:04 | kibble | [20:46:48] Digital_Coma: and is taking over yellow |
| 01:53:06 | kibble | [20:40:47] Entering channel: fag |
| 01:53:07 | | Quit kibble (Excess Flood) |
| 01:54:13 | XavierGr | at last |
| 01:54:34 | * | petur just sent a mail to abuse@cox.net with detailed logging and user ip address |
| 01:54:41 | quux | Looked like some kind of repeater script ... anyone got log of the beginning of this little hooha? |
| 01:54:51 | Mikachu | petur: you can send his name and address too if you want |
| 01:54:55 | petur | the whole channel is logged |
| 01:55:14 | petur | too late - mail is gone |
| 01:55:26 | petur | they'll find him, no worry |
| 01:55:33 | Davide-NYC | I have received some errors whil trying to apply ACG patch |
| 01:55:45 | Davide-NYC | It's probably me, but one never knows |
| 01:55:57 | petur | will update the patch, one moment |
| 01:56:23 | Davide-NYC | (sweet) |
| 01:56:26 | Mikachu | quux: he just decided to paste a logfile before i messaged you, he was only being generally annoying before that |
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| 01:56:39 | quux | ahhh, ok |
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| 01:59:18 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:12 | petur | Davide-NYC: new patch added at the bottom |
| 02:00:29 | Davide-NYC | that was fast! I try it now |
| 02:03:06 | whatboutbob | wtf...kibble's still here? |
| 02:03:20 | sharpe | nope... |
| 02:04:20 | | Quit petur ("'night all") |
| 02:04:59 | preglow | isn't he? |
| 02:05:01 | preglow | excellent |
| 02:05:15 | Mikachu | Excess flood, heh |
| 02:05:34 | preglow | surprise |
| 02:05:35 | preglow | hahaha |
| 02:05:44 | whatboutbob | i wonder if that was his ddos attempt...? |
| 02:05:45 | preglow | anywho |
| 02:05:46 | preglow | bedtime |
| 02:05:47 | whatboutbob | :) |
| 02:05:47 | preglow | night all |
| 02:07:47 | | Quit anathema ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 02:09:09 | whatboutbob | amiconn: could you pls help clear something minor up? what's the limitation that prevents 48kHz analog recording? (I don't care, but I've got people asking me) |
| 02:09:56 | amiconn | We would need a different audio clock that's simply not available |
| 02:10:16 | Davide-NYC | peeps, what does this mean: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] ? |
| 02:10:29 | Davide-NYC | when trying to apply a patch |
| 02:10:45 | Davide-NYC | (feel free to point me to documentation_ |
| 02:11:03 | whatboutbob | amiconn: thanks. so does that mean 96kHz isn't possible for optical recording too? just 88.2? |
| 02:11:11 | amiconn | Nope |
| 02:11:19 | amiconn | Optical can use any sample rate |
| 02:11:34 | amiconn | ..since that is clocked from the spdif input signal |
| 02:11:48 | Mikachu | Davide-NYC: it means that either the patch is already applied, or you applied another patch that did the same thing, or the patch is already (partly) in cvs |
| 02:12:07 | whatboutbob | amiconn: aaaah...ok. thanks. |
| 02:12:25 | Davide-NYC | shit, how do I jump back to a clean CVS snapshot and start from scratch? |
| 02:12:56 | Davide-NYC | (or just point me to Docs and I'll go read some) |
| 02:14:22 | Davide-NYC | deleted everything and al starting over. |
| 02:14:32 | Davide-NYC | ignore my pleading |
| 02:14:46 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 02:14:51 | | Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:15:06 | amiconn | There's some clever command sequence for diffing against cvs and then applying that diff in reverse, but I always foret that sequence... |
| 02:15:16 | amiconn | *forget |
| 02:15:40 | | Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-2-245-164.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:15:41 | | Quit wes (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:15:49 | Davide-NYC | Hey (while I wait for CVS DL again) is anyone familiar with a good short CVS tutorial? |
| 02:15:53 | | Join Inc [0] (i=xsst4@arcane/developer/inc) |
| 02:16:00 | amiconn | Iguess something like |
| 02:16:11 | amiconn | cvs diff -u | patch -p0 -R |
| 02:16:45 | Davide-NYC | I'm in desperate need of a good Tut... what does the -u switch do? |
| 02:16:57 | amiconn | unified diff |
| 02:17:05 | Davide-NYC | yeah, I need to read |
| 02:17:13 | Davide-NYC | hehe |
| 02:17:30 | sharpe | hmm |
| 02:17:34 | sharpe | i've another idea |
| 02:17:49 | | Part quux ("..fadeout") |
| 02:17:55 | amiconn | The -u is probably unnecessary in that sequence, but I always use unidiffs as I think they're easier to read |
| 02:18:01 | sharpe | porting nethack to rockbox :) |
| 02:19:20 | Davide-NYC | you are assuming a level of basic knowledge I do not have |
| 02:19:37 | amiconn | hmmm... |
| 02:20:07 | Davide-NYC | I will return in a few days with the requisite knowledge in head, for now I follow the simplified guide to applying patches and pay attention to the results when recording |
| 02:20:15 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 02:20:28 | Davide-NYC | I'm compiling now and it's fascinating |
| 02:20:53 | amiconn | http://www.math.grin.edu/~stone/courses/artificial-intelligence/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E.pdf |
| 02:22:11 | Davide-NYC | thanks! although I was hoping for something much smaller |
| 02:22:18 | Davide-NYC | 368 pages! |
| 02:23:12 | Davide-NYC | http://www.ucolick.org/~de/CVSbeginner.html |
| 02:23:16 | Davide-NYC | that's better |
| 02:30:17 | Davide-NYC | AGC patch seems to apply just fine. |
| 02:30:35 | Davide-NYC | tested it on the unit using the internal mic |
| 02:30:45 | Davide-NYC | will test optical tonight |
| 02:31:07 | Davide-NYC | question: why is the AGC not commited? |
| 02:31:15 | Mikachu | answer: feature freeze |
| 02:31:20 | Davide-NYC | ah |
| 02:31:21 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 02:31:57 | Davide-NYC | for my purposes AGC is essential. Thanks to anyone that had hands in/on it. And everyone else here for that matter. |
| 02:31:59 | Davide-NYC | good night |
| 02:32:22 | | Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") |
| 02:34:11 | Inc | for some reason I boot into rockbox but can't seem to get back into ipod firmware |
| 02:34:45 | | Join webguest40 [0] (n=51400b8c@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:37:13 | dongs | what |
| 02:37:23 | dongs | you have to be quick |
| 02:37:27 | dongs | after reset keep pressing menu button |
| 02:40:14 | | Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 02:40:41 | Inc | I see |
| 02:40:48 | Inc | and how to I get ahold of the menu? |
| 02:40:51 | Inc | like the games in rockbox? |
| 02:41:48 | Inc | because |
| 02:41:53 | Inc | all I see on the list is |
| 02:41:58 | | Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-34-254.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:41:59 | Inc | notes photos |
| 02:42:11 | Inc | contacts and calaenders |
| 02:42:55 | | Quit andy__ ("CGI:IRC") |
| 02:45:00 | Inc | ? |
| 02:45:02 | Inc | anyone? |
| 02:47:09 | linuxstb_ | Press the menu button... |
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| 02:49:56 | Inc | where's the game menu then? |
| 02:50:12 | linuxstb_ | Browse Plugins |
| 02:50:59 | Inc | ok |
| 02:51:08 | | Part rob ("Leaving") |
| 02:51:14 | Inc | thanks |
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| 03:00 |
| 03:02:24 | dongs | no |
| 03:02:50 | dongs | menu as in the menu button |
| 03:02:50 | dongs | yea |
| 03:02:50 | dongs | what he said. |
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| 03:05:51 | Inc | oh shit. that's right. I forgot to put the doom wad in |
| 03:05:52 | Inc | hah |
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| 03:12:14 | Digital_Coma | [19:54] * petur just sent a mail to abuse@cox.net with detailed logging and user ip address |
| 03:12:23 | Digital_Coma | hahahah what a moron |
| 03:13:55 | | Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 03:13:59 | Digital_Coma | someone is flooding my irrelevant irc channel.. WHY COX WHY |
| 03:16:03 | | Join lookup [0] (n=aoweigja@c-68-45-79-127.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 03:16:58 | lookup | i need help! i just used the battery plug-in for my ipod (on rockbox of course) and now i can't get out of the battery plugin. any thing that i could do? |
| 03:17:15 | sharpe | which battery plugin? |
| 03:17:20 | Cassandra | Try pressing MENU and SELECT at the same time. |
| 03:17:35 | lookup | ok thanks |
| 03:17:38 | lookup | that did it |
| 03:17:47 | lookup | i feel dumb :-( |
| 03:17:50 | Digital_Coma | shut up |
| 03:18:02 | ashridah | that battery plugin really should have a warning screen or something :) |
| 03:18:14 | Cassandra | Please do not feed the troll. |
| 03:18:20 | lookup | nah it's alright. |
| 03:18:23 | * | linuxstb_ hugs /ignore again |
| 03:18:26 | lookup | it was my mistake |
| 03:19:43 | Digital_Coma | cassandra wanna fuck? |
| 03:19:52 | lookup | ok thanks again |
| 03:19:54 | | Quit lookup (Client Quit) |
| 03:20:05 | Cassandra | Oh my, I'm so offended. |
| 03:20:53 | Digital_Coma | way to feed |
| 03:21:05 | Digital_Coma | you sure suck at this |
| 03:21:10 | Digital_Coma | go back to slashdot |
| 03:21:26 | Cassandra | Well, that's me told. |
| 03:21:29 | sharpe | just a random stream of nonsense... |
| 03:21:55 | Cassandra | I'm just fascinated to see how long he can keep it up for. |
| 03:22:11 | Cassandra | It's kind of like an IQ test. |
| 03:23:03 | Digital_Coma | no point in wasting pwnt on tweedle dee and tweedle dum |
| 03:23:53 | Cassandra | Did that make any sense even in Idiot? |
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| 03:24:18 | Inc | I hold down the center key |
| 03:24:23 | Inc | and the menu key but nothing happens |
| 03:25:08 | Cassandra | You're still stuck in the plugin? |
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| 03:26:16 | Inc | iffy |
| 03:26:26 | Inc | nvm |
| 03:26:27 | | Part Inc |
| 03:26:28 | djparrot | good riddance |
| 03:27:08 | sharpe | it's kind of funny that iffy is a word... |
| 03:27:58 | Digital_Coma | no, it's really not interesting at all. try again |
| 03:28:30 | sharpe | i'm hurt. |
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| 03:46:02 | djparrot | speak now sockerteze or forever hold your fag |
| 03:48:28 | | Quit hardeep ("[BX] Hey baby, come sit on my lap. We'll talk about whatever pops up.") |
| 03:48:56 | sockerteze | huh |
| 03:50:44 | ashridah | sockerteze: don't mind the troll |
| 03:50:57 | sockerteze | alright |
| 03:51:38 | | Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) |
| 03:51:42 | djparrot | I can smell RoC_MM from here |
| 03:51:55 | RoC_MM | i must be famous |
| 03:53:09 | Digital_Coma | you probably just smell |
| 03:54:01 | RoC_MM | smell of famous |
| 03:54:29 | Digital_Coma | smell of irr |
| 03:55:42 | RoC_MM | what builds are we running folks? |
| 03:56:44 | RoC_MM | I use the new 5/3 build for my iPod 4G Grey. I like that the battery indicator is working now. It makes me very happy. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:08:48 | RoC_MM | I like the new disk activity icon for the default theme too. |
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| 04:17:28 | djparrot | I think I bsed Davide-NYC once |
| 04:21:23 | Davide-NYC | hello all, I just patched the bleeding edge with the AGC patch and the Radio frq patch no problem |
| 04:21:37 | Davide-NYC | target = H120 |
| 04:22:07 | Davide-NYC | I took a look inside the histogram patch and modified some of the paths to be more general |
| 04:22:35 | Davide-NYC | i.e. <specific foldr>/apps/etc −−> apps/etc |
| 04:23:06 | Davide-NYC | tried to apply it I got a bunch of error messages. Anyone wanna help a semi-idiot apply this patch? |
| 04:23:12 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
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| 04:23:25 | djparrot | I bet webguest47 hacked vgmix |
| 04:23:40 | Davide-NYC | djparrot are you trolling? |
| 04:23:41 | | Quit webguest47 (Client Quit) |
| 04:23:56 | Davide-NYC | are you a bot? |
| 04:24:39 | Davide-NYC | no devs online? |
| 04:24:43 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
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| 04:41:32 | Digital_Coma | no one cares |
| 04:45:03 | | Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") |
| 04:45:34 | Davide-NYC | digital_coma, what are you referring to? |
| 04:46:50 | Digital_Coma | think for a second |
| 04:47:42 | Davide-NYC | let me guess, no one cares about the histogram patch |
| 04:48:06 | Davide-NYC | 'case it's just eye-candy and it's for a dying target |
| 04:48:32 | Davide-NYC | Did I win? |
| 04:49:16 | Digital_Coma | think again |
| 04:49:25 | Davide-NYC | personal?> |
| 04:50:00 | Digital_Coma | nope |
| 04:50:06 | Davide-NYC | then I don;t get it |
| 04:50:07 | | Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 04:50:18 | Digital_Coma | exactly |
| 04:50:22 | Davide-NYC | no one cares about what.... |
| 04:50:43 | Digital_Coma | learn to read |
| 04:50:45 | Davide-NYC | If it's not personal, and it's not the patch itself then what |
| 04:50:58 | Davide-NYC | Oh I see RTFM |
| 04:51:02 | Davide-NYC | OK |
| 04:51:31 | Davide-NYC | thanks a bunch, I'll contribute what I can when I can |
| 04:51:38 | djparrot | I don't got time to fuck around. |
| 04:51:50 | Digital_Coma | this is really hard for you isn't it |
| 04:52:01 | Davide-NYC | sure is |
| 04:52:04 | Davide-NYC | no training |
| 04:52:48 | Digital_Coma | yep, take Relevance 201 |
| 04:54:55 | Davide-NYC | too cryptic for me, I'm not trolling I'm not being abusive (I don't think) and I'm trying to get somewhere. What's the problem? Is there an IRC FAQ I missed? |
| 04:55:16 | midkay | Davide-NYC, you're cool.. Digital_Coma's the prob |
| 04:55:35 | Davide-NYC | gotcha |
| 04:55:36 | Digital_Coma | rofl trying so hard to fit in |
| 04:55:40 | Digital_Coma | too easy |
| 04:55:46 | midkay | waves and waves of trolls today, haven't seen any for months and all of a sudden here we are |
| 04:55:57 | Davide-NYC | I'm ignoring now |
| 04:56:05 | midkay | good idea. |
| 04:56:11 | Digital_Coma | midkay, thanks for the information. i'll make sure the wave rises |
| 04:56:13 | Davide-NYC | thanks midkay, I thought he was actually trying to tell me something I missed |
| 04:56:23 | Digital_Coma | rooofl |
| 04:56:25 | midkay | Digital_Coma, no prob, do your worst :) |
| 04:56:47 | midkay | Davide-NYC, generally, people in here are very helpful, not a good day to ask, though, apparently.. |
| 04:56:59 | midkay | lack of devs + presence of idiots.. |
| 04:57:14 | Davide-NYC | I noticed, but on the flipside there has been a lot of positive progress (for my target at least) in the last 48 hours |
| 04:57:31 | Davide-NYC | what targets do you care about? |
| 04:57:37 | djparrot | Digital_Coma shut the fuck up |
| 04:57:46 | midkay | Davide-NYC, cool, which is yours? i've got an archos recorder and an ipod 5g. |
| 04:57:48 | Digital_Coma | fuck you djparrot |
| 04:58:20 | Davide-NYC | ooo iPod 5G is nice! I'm an iriver H1xx guy, love the recording features |
| 04:58:24 | midkay | Digital_Coma, nice fake-argument.. logging in with two clients on the same machine is reaaaally convincing. |
| 04:58:31 | Digital_Coma | np |
| 04:58:34 | Davide-NYC | that's my main reason for being all into RB. |
| 04:58:42 | midkay | Davide-NYC, ah, the last few days have been a jackpot for you, then :) |
| 04:59:33 | Davide-NYC | haha same IP |
| 04:59:46 | midkay | yeah, quite a clever guy, really. |
| 04:59:49 | Davide-NYC | hysterical, even I can see that one and I know nothing |
| 04:59:57 | Davide-NYC | lol |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:00 | Digital_Coma | it's more than enough |
| 05:00:13 | midkay | what sort of genius would think to run TWO clients at ONCE on ONE machine? it's mind-blowing. |
| 05:00:27 | djparrot | that's not funny |
| 05:00:44 | midkay | i fail. :( |
| 05:00:52 | Digital_Coma | yep it would have to be on one machine, for some random and unbased reason |
| 05:01:12 | Davide-NYC | hey midkay, since the IPs are the same and the nicks could change, is it possible to ignore the IP? |
| 05:01:13 | | Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD07E86.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:01:14 | midkay | unbased? that's not a word. |
| 05:01:16 | djparrot | Rob2222 added to current fag list. |
| 05:01:26 | Digital_Coma | learn to english |
| 05:01:35 | Davide-NYC | midkay, hug the ignore switch, it's your friend |
| 05:01:39 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:01:53 | midkay | Davide-NYC, i personally dislike it except for trolls :) |
| 05:01:58 | Digital_Coma | hahah doesn't know how to ignore |
| 05:02:06 | Digital_Coma | learn to irc |
| 05:02:58 | Davide-NYC | midkay if you check this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.0 you'll see why I care about the histogram patch |
| 05:03:40 | midkay | Davide-NYC, i haven't read many of your messages, so i'm not sure what you were asking.. |
| 05:04:04 | Digital_Coma | hard to pay attention to so much irrelevance |
| 05:04:05 | Davide-NYC | it's just eye-candy really, relating to user fonts in the recording screen and cool graphical displays of remaining HD space, battery life, input balance, and a history of your recorded levels |
| 05:04:19 | midkay | pretty cool.. |
| 05:04:36 | Davide-NYC | yeah, the auto gain control patch applies and compiles fine |
| 05:04:52 | Davide-NYC | but the hitogram patch fails and I'm not knowledgeable enought o fix it |
| 05:05:06 | midkay | you can try to manually apply the rejected hunks.. |
| 05:05:31 | Davide-NYC | OK backup one sec |
| 05:05:40 | Davide-NYC | a hunk is just a code segment? |
| 05:05:57 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:05:58 | Davide-NYC | (dives back into cygwin) |
| 05:06:11 | midkay | it should give a list of hunk x failed/succeeded.. |
| 05:06:18 | Davide-NYC | it did |
| 05:06:27 | Davide-NYC | but I've done a bunch of things since |
| 05:06:34 | Davide-NYC | that was an hour ago |
| 05:06:36 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 05:06:58 | djparrot | I'll agree he's a fag. |
| 05:07:26 | midkay | Davide-NYC, that doesn't matter. if you remember what file it was that got patched, you can browse to it. |
| 05:07:28 | Davide-NYC | question, if I -R a patch and some of it's hunks are redundant with other patches I applied prior I could botch the whole compile, right? |
| 05:07:31 | midkay | there will be three files.. |
| 05:07:39 | midkay | file.c, file.c.orig, and file.c.rej. |
| 05:07:52 | midkay | you want to put stuff from file.c.rej into file.c at the right places. |
| 05:08:04 | midkay | line numbers are shown in the .rej file, to make things pretty easy. |
| 05:08:09 | Davide-NYC | i think I got it |
| 05:08:22 | midkay | lines preceeded (sp?) by a plus means 'add', and a minus means 'remove'. |
| 05:08:30 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 05:08:40 | Digital_Coma | learn to english |
| 05:09:16 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:09:25 | Davide-NYC | I think the AGC patch and the histogram patch touch some of the same files. I am worried that they touch some of the same hunks. |
| 05:09:43 | midkay | Davide-NYC, quite possible, but shouldn't be too hard to figure out. |
| 05:09:53 | Davide-NYC | In which case by manually applying the histogram hunks I could be messing up the AGC hunks right? |
| 05:10:01 | Davide-NYC | OK, I am diving in right now |
| 05:10:08 | Davide-NYC | (nice friday night I'm having) |
| 05:10:14 | midkay | it's possible, but just 'be careful' ;) |
| 05:10:24 | Davide-NYC | what is the wordt that could happen? |
| 05:10:27 | Davide-NYC | *worst |
| 05:10:51 | midkay | it won't work right.. |
| 05:11:04 | midkay | the problem probably isn't conflicting code but simply misaligned code. |
| 05:11:08 | midkay | the patch looks for specific lines.. |
| 05:11:13 | Davide-NYC | ah |
| 05:11:15 | midkay | and after applying a patch, those lines probably have moved. |
| 05:11:16 | Davide-NYC | understood |
| 05:11:26 | midkay | if new functions were inserted above, or removed.. |
| 05:11:43 | Davide-NYC | right, the text the patch looks for will not be there |
| 05:11:47 | Davide-NYC | go ti |
| 05:11:51 | Davide-NYC | *got it |
| 05:11:56 | midkay | :) |
| 05:11:56 | Davide-NYC | thanks so much! |
| 05:12:01 | midkay | no prob |
| 05:12:02 | sharpe | midkay! |
| 05:12:06 | Davide-NYC | midkay rules! |
| 05:12:07 | midkay | sharpie! |
| 05:12:10 | midkay | yay! |
| 05:12:12 | midkay | we all rule. |
| 05:12:13 | sharpe | trademark! |
| 05:12:15 | Davide-NYC | haha |
| 05:12:17 | midkay | haha. |
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| 05:12:20 | djparrot | Put ROC_MM in your pipe and smoke it. |
| 05:12:28 | RoC_MM | i thinks |
| 05:12:31 | RoC_MM | djparrot, is a bot |
| 05:12:43 | RoC_MM | using %Name |
| 05:12:47 | Davide-NYC | nah, its a jerk |
| 05:13:24 | Digital_Coma | tweedledee is reunited with his twin |
| 05:14:18 | djparrot | ugh, shut up |
| 05:14:53 | | Join HedgeMage [0] (i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage) |
| 05:14:55 | djparrot | fuck, it's that one fag, what's his face |
| 05:15:45 | * | HedgeMage looks around |
| 05:16:02 | HedgeMage | So, what exactly is rockbox anyhow? |
| 05:16:56 | sharpe | well... |
| 05:17:04 | * | HedgeMage thinks it's awfully quiet in here |
| 05:17:18 | djparrot | I'll agree he's a fag. |
| 05:17:48 | Davide-NYC | question (begs forgiveness) is there a way to just produce the patching log without actually changing any files? |
| 05:17:50 | HedgeMage | djparrot: there's really no need for that language, please. |
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| 05:18:21 | sharpe | HedgeMage: just ignore that, it's been here for a while... |
| 05:18:24 | midkay | Davide-NYC, hm, good question.. patch −−help, see if you can find an arg for it. |
| 05:18:37 | Davide-NYC | ooo you just made my day: −−help |
| 05:18:42 | Davide-NYC | I've been /? |
| 05:18:52 | Davide-NYC | like in CMD.EXE |
| 05:19:02 | sharpe | HedgeMage: you may want to check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox for what rockbox is... |
| 05:19:05 | midkay | Davide-NYC, :) −−help is standard for linux-ish commands, like /? is for cmd ones. |
| 05:19:09 | Davide-NYC | MAN!!! |
| 05:19:12 | Davide-NYC | I love it |
| 05:19:14 | HedgeMage | djparrot: you have five seconds to convince me you know how to breathe. |
| 05:20:23 | | Quit Digital_Coma (K-lined) |
| 05:20:23 | | Quit djparrot (K-lined) |
| 05:20:29 | HedgeMage | That should do it. |
| 05:20:35 | HedgeMage | :) |
| 05:20:39 | midkay | mucho thanks :) |
| 05:20:47 | HedgeMage | midkay: any time |
| 05:20:49 | HedgeMage | :) |
| 05:20:52 | Davide-NYC | TY |
| 05:21:11 | sharpe | yay... |
| 05:21:17 | Davide-NYC | the author of this patch made no comments anywhere |
| 05:21:30 | midkay | Davide-NYC, haha, typical :) |
| 05:21:31 | Davide-NYC | I have to infer and deduce even the simplest things |
| 05:21:32 | sharpe | maybe it was all in his head? |
| 05:21:46 | Davide-NYC | I'm not a programmer so this is going to be difficult |
| 05:21:49 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 05:22:02 | HedgeMage | sharpe: then, logically, he should place his brain in a jar and deliver it with the source code ;) |
| 05:22:05 | * | HedgeMage hides |
| 05:22:21 | HedgeMage | Okay, enough unprofessional snarkinees, I'm off to chase spambots |
| 05:22:22 | midkay | haha :) |
| 05:22:23 | * | HedgeMage waves |
| 05:22:27 | * | midkay waves back |
| 05:22:27 | sharpe | not my patch, so i've no problem with that. :) |
| 05:22:30 | | Part HedgeMage |
| 05:22:36 | * | sharpe waves to himself |
| 05:22:51 | sharpe | because sharpe is cool like that. |
| 05:23:12 | midkay | ./haha |
| 05:23:13 | midkay | :) |
| 05:23:14 | Davide-NYC | found the patch switch I needed −−dry-run Do not actually change any files; just print what would happen. |
| 05:23:21 | midkay | Davide-NYC, ha, i knew it. :) |
| 05:23:23 | Davide-NYC | −−dry-run, how cool |
| 05:23:27 | midkay | dry run. ha. |
| 05:23:35 | sharpe | try −−wet-run. |
| 05:23:36 | * | midkay giggles quietly. |
| 05:23:49 | midkay | or −−slow-run. |
| 05:23:52 | midkay | e.g. −−jog. |
| 05:23:53 | sharpe | i think i may go play some more games... |
| 05:23:58 | midkay | or −−crawl. |
| 05:23:58 | sharpe | −−slow-pace |
| 05:24:00 | midkay | or −−prone. |
| 05:24:12 | midkay | or −−snipe |
| 05:24:19 | midkay | anyways. |
| 05:24:37 | midkay | yeah. i was just getting started with ghost recon: advanced warfighter when i popped in :) |
| 05:24:51 | sharpe | obviously...? |
| 05:25:03 | midkay | what?! |
| 05:25:29 | Davide-NYC | hey don;t leave I'm still dumb as dirt here! |
| 05:25:59 | Davide-NYC | "reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R [n] |
| 05:26:17 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 05:26:25 | midkay | um. |
| 05:26:27 | Davide-NYC | does this mean that if I type Y it will reverse my previous patch? |
| 05:26:30 | midkay | this is a dry one? |
| 05:26:32 | Davide-NYC | confused |
| 05:26:34 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 05:26:44 | Davide-NYC | so it dont matter |
| 05:26:46 | Davide-NYC | right |
| 05:27:03 | sharpe | i recently got guild wars: factions... i'm bored like that... |
| 05:27:09 | Davide-NYC | you guys know about fuzz? |
| 05:27:14 | midkay | try either way, or see what -r does in −−help. |
| 05:27:17 | midkay | sharpe, cool, i've got guild wars but haven't got factions yet. |
| 05:27:29 | midkay | Davide-NYC, fuzz means like offset, i think.. |
| 05:27:35 | sharpe | heh, i've never played the non-faction one... |
| 05:27:45 | sharpe | fuzz... isn't that like, lint? |
| 05:27:45 | midkay | haha. nice.. |
| 05:27:48 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:27:57 | midkay | god, i've got like.. |
| 05:28:03 | midkay | 700 hours racked up in playtime for guild wars. |
| 05:28:07 | sharpe | when you think of fuzz, what color do you think of? |
| 05:28:12 | Davide-NYC | I think fuzz does text matching one or two lines forward or backward from the intended line |
| 05:28:35 | midkay | Davide-NYC, i think it's actually up to like ten lines, but yeah. |
| 05:28:42 | midkay | sharpe, pink. or blue. |
| 05:28:51 | Davide-NYC | can you set it really wide like 25 lines? |
| 05:29:05 | sharpe | i think of like a dark blue... |
| 05:29:08 | midkay | Davide-NYC, −−yelp :) |
| 05:29:09 | midkay | er. |
| 05:29:13 | midkay | you know what i mean. |
| 05:29:18 | Davide-NYC | yeah |
| 05:29:32 | sharpe | i've an idea! |
| 05:29:39 | Davide-NYC | anyone interested in my miserable failure of a dry-run? |
| 05:29:57 | midkay | um. |
| 05:32:04 | Davide-NYC | cant think straight enough to do this by hand right now |
| 05:32:24 | sharpe | technically, you are doing whatever by hand right now |
| 05:32:30 | Davide-NYC | will reattempt with my new 'perspective' tomorrow afternoon |
| 05:32:41 | Davide-NYC | thanks midkay. |
| 05:32:58 | midkay | Davide-NYC, np, good luck :) |
| 05:33:00 | Davide-NYC | sharpe, I have to apply 'hunks' manually to many files |
| 05:33:06 | midkay | we're always here. sort of. |
| 05:33:20 | sharpe | somewhat... |
| 05:33:23 | midkay | Davide-NYC, well.. depends on how many files, but it should not take long at all. |
| 05:33:30 | Davide-NYC | this will be painful, I'm sure there's a tools to assist in this process |
| 05:33:34 | midkay | a few minutes at the most, i'd guess. |
| 05:33:37 | midkay | it's quite simple. |
| 05:33:58 | Davide-NYC | you're kidding right? |
| 05:34:14 | midkay | we're not dealing with manually placing a thousand lines of code, just like.. probably several (3-6 or so) hunks in rather obvious places. |
| 05:34:55 | Davide-NYC | yes, but I've never done this before and have not had formal training. |
| 05:35:01 | sharpe | tomorrow i must call and apoligize to someone for something... |
| 05:35:02 | Davide-NYC | many minutes of staring blankly |
| 05:35:16 | Davide-NYC | in between actual actiojn |
| 05:35:20 | Davide-NYC | *action |
| 05:35:20 | midkay | Davide-NYC, does your editor have line numbers? they're absolutely imperative.. |
| 05:35:24 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 05:35:33 | sharpe | the patch gives the line numbers... |
| 05:35:48 | sharpe | or, ones relative to the lines to replace/remove... |
| 05:35:50 | midkay | just find the source line in the rej file, go to that number in the .c file, and look around that area for the right code. |
| 05:36:02 | midkay | sharpe, yes, but your editor needs to show line numbers for them to be useful. |
| 05:36:02 | Davide-NYC | what editor do you guys use? |
| 05:36:15 | Davide-NYC | I use notepad2 |
| 05:36:16 | midkay | i code from windows, so i use textpad. |
| 05:36:22 | Davide-NYC | textpad |
| 05:36:24 | Davide-NYC | OK |
| 05:36:26 | sharpe | i just use Relo right now |
| 05:36:27 | Davide-NYC | I check it out |
| 05:36:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:36:32 | midkay | in linux i always used kwrite or kate. |
| 05:36:33 | midkay | :) |
| 05:36:44 | Davide-NYC | I'm in Win32 |
| 05:36:54 | Davide-NYC | linux not yet for me |
| 05:37:11 | midkay | too much of a hassle for me. |
| 05:37:20 | sharpe | me too... |
| 05:37:23 | Davide-NYC | agreed (ducks for cover) |
| 05:37:28 | midkay | i use too many windows apps/games to even potentally consider switching, and dual-booting is a pain. |
| 05:37:39 | sharpe | me and my, non-compatible network card. |
| 05:37:49 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:37:57 | midkay | my integrated one didn't work either.. |
| 05:37:58 | Davide-NYC | I use NLite to tear out the extra MS crap and have me a lean install disk |
| 05:38:02 | midkay | had to use a seperate one. |
| 05:38:06 | sharpe | well, more like linux-driver-lacking network card... |
| 05:38:14 | midkay | another reason i use windows; it works, and quickly. :) |
| 05:38:26 | Davide-NYC | you should check out NLite |
| 05:38:28 | sharpe | i never have any problems with windows... |
| 05:38:49 | * | midkay googles |
| 05:38:49 | Davide-NYC | Guys, NLite make Win32 even better |
| 05:38:57 | sharpe | i've gotten a xp pro install cd, under 180 megs, if i remember correctly, with nLite... |
| 05:38:58 | Davide-NYC | nliteos.com (I think) |
| 05:39:04 | Davide-NYC | yeah dude |
| 05:39:18 | Davide-NYC | just remember to never tear out the IE core files. |
| 05:39:23 | midkay | ah, sounds nice.. |
| 05:39:26 | Davide-NYC | the browser sure, dump it. |
| 05:39:31 | midkay | but not something i'd probably use. |
| 05:39:37 | Davide-NYC | but the rendering files are necessary for many many apps |
| 05:40:03 | Davide-NYC | believe me midkay it takes two hours and you'll never install XP 'vanilla' ever again |
| 05:40:13 | sharpe | i like vanilla ice cream. |
| 05:40:16 | Davide-NYC | I haven't since I discovered it |
| 05:40:31 | Davide-NYC | OK I gotta go record my buddies band at some bar |
| 05:40:35 | midkay | i don't mind.. i use a number of windows components, and the several i don't use don't bother me |
| 05:40:39 | Davide-NYC | do some iriver-rockbox testing |
| 05:40:44 | midkay | yay :) |
| 05:40:51 | Davide-NYC | easy breezy kids |
| 05:40:52 | sharpe | field testing! |
| 05:40:56 | Davide-NYC | yu[ |
| 05:40:58 | Davide-NYC | *yup |
| 05:40:59 | midkay | laterz, good luck :) |
| 05:41:08 | sharpe | cya |
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| 05:41:52 | sharpe | wow. my eyelids are really sensitive to touch right now, and i don't know why. |
| 05:42:11 | midkay | sharpe deserves the most-random-crap-ever award.. |
| 05:42:28 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 05:42:50 | sharpe | i can't remember what i was going to do |
| 05:42:57 | sharpe | og |
| 05:42:59 | * | midkay is off to GRAW.. |
| 05:43:06 | sharpe | oh. i was going to play factions. |
| 05:43:07 | midkay | unless you wanna guildwars ;) |
| 05:43:36 | sharpe | heheh |
| 05:44:36 | sharpe | i've got to go play games, go to sleep, wake up, move stuff, call and apologize, and play more games. |
| 05:44:55 | midkay | fun stuff. |
| 05:45:04 | midkay | have you played much factions yet? |
| 05:45:16 | sharpe | eh, i've got a level 10 and 14 |
| 05:45:32 | midkay | ah, cool. |
| 05:45:44 | sharpe | is 20 the highest level? |
| 05:45:48 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:45:50 | sharpe | alright |
| 05:45:53 | midkay | i haven't played much in the past couple months. |
| 05:46:00 | midkay | i used to play it all day every day :) |
| 05:46:04 | sharpe | heh |
| 05:46:08 | midkay | summer break's a-coming, though.. |
| 05:46:16 | sharpe | i just have nothing better to do, yeah, it is... |
| 05:46:19 | midkay | i'll probably snag factions and dive back in. |
| 05:46:40 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 05:46:51 | midkay | 'cause it's hard to just play for a little bit.. |
| 05:47:07 | midkay | to do anything worthy of doing, it tends to take like.. a while. :) |
| 05:47:07 | sharpe | it also tells you, to take a break after three hours. |
| 05:47:36 | sharpe | which is kind of funny... |
| 05:48:12 | sharpe | eh, i think i'm going to just skip games, and go to sleep |
| 05:48:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:48:44 | midkay | have fun, whatever you do. |
| 05:48:48 | sharpe | lol, alright |
| 05:48:50 | midkay | *starts gr:aw* |
| 05:48:51 | sharpe | later midkay |
| 05:48:55 | midkay | l8rz, yo. |
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| 09:41:38 | amiconn | m0o |
| 09:41:42 | markun | morning |
| 09:42:11 | * | amiconn had to fix a bug before starting his runtime test on player... |
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| 09:45:56 | petur | morning Germany ;) |
| 09:48:32 | petur | amiconn: is it ok to commit that small fat.c change, I have yet to find anything that could cause the label to vanish :( |
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| 09:51:33 | amiconn | petur: Define 'that' |
| 09:52:09 | amiconn | Btw, under which conditions does the label vanish? |
| 09:52:31 | petur | mask volume flag instead of comparing |
| 09:52:34 | amiconn | I didn't experience it yet, although I do delete dirs in the root from time to time |
| 09:52:40 | petur | me neither |
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| 09:52:48 | amiconn | (the dreaded 'System Volume Information') |
| 09:53:18 | petur | but what tool set the volume ID - I use w2k, don't know how linux interpretes the fat spec :) |
| 09:53:33 | petur | bbl - breakfast time... |
| 09:55:11 | amiconn | Oh, were those reports only from linux people? |
| 09:56:38 | amiconn | We're not handling the volume label correctly according to the fat specs... |
| 09:56:59 | amiconn | Nm, forget that |
| 09:59:25 | amiconn | petur: I would like the correct check (per the fat specs) better... |
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| 10:08:23 | petur | which is? I find the spec unclear - will check it again tonight |
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| 10:10:18 | amiconn | if ( (entry->attr & (FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID|FAT_ATTR_DIRECTORY)) == FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID ) |
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| 10:14:37 | Galois | stupid question of the day, why does cvs build now output "Skip DancePuffDuo.wps due to size restraints" etc. |
| 10:14:46 | Galois | I mean, no offense, but I kind of like that wps |
| 10:16:24 | petur | amiconn: will test and commit tonight, no more time now but plenty tonight :) |
| 10:16:27 | petur | bbl |
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| 10:21:45 | Galois | did someone change the resolution of the wps or something? It fit perfectly on the screen before |
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| 10:22:44 | JdGordon | evening all |
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| 10:27:49 | * | Galois checks out the old DancePuffDuo.wps and bludgeons it into the correct resolution |
| 10:30:22 | linuxstb | Galois: Which player do you have? |
| 10:30:39 | Galois | ipod nano |
| 10:31:07 | linuxstb | Then there is no DancePuffDuo for your LCD - you were probably using the 160x128 version before. |
| 10:31:32 | Galois | indeed, that version looks fine on the nano (to me, anyway) |
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| 10:34:05 | linuxstb | I think you simply need to copy DancePuffDuo.160x128x1.wps to DancePuffDuo.176x132x1.wps |
| 10:34:14 | RedBreva | Linux people - Help... I want to create a link in dir sims to sims/01/rockboxui so in sims I enter 'ln -s 01/rockboxui ./01_player' and that works fine, but... I want to to add a −−background parameter to the command, how do I do it? |
| 10:34:24 | Galois | thanks linuxstb |
| 10:35:07 | JdGordon | RedBreva: add the -background paramter like you would normally... |
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| 10:36:13 | amiconn | I think that's not possible |
| 10:36:22 | RedBreva | if I enter ln -s 01/rockboxui −−background ./01_player the create link command fails |
| 10:36:29 | amiconn | A link in the linux sense is a bit different than a link in the windows sense |
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| 10:36:47 | JdGordon | no, make the link, but then run the link with the param |
| 10:36:51 | RedBreva | If i enclose the first part in '' it doesn't work |
| 10:38:54 | Galois | in other words you have to go "01_player −−background" in order to use the command with the −−background option |
| 10:39:07 | Galois | if your main goal is to avoid typing −−background then you need an alias, not a link |
| 10:39:25 | RedBreva | Ahhh - what's an alias? |
| 10:39:55 | RedBreva | 'cause I am a point and click type guy... ;) |
| 10:40:14 | Galois | if you want a desktop icon then you should .. right click on the desktop and make a desktop icon |
| 10:40:22 | Galois | an alias is basically, well, you type |
| 10:40:36 | Galois | alias 123="sims/01/rockboxui −−background" |
| 10:41:04 | Galois | and henceforth (until you close that window), the command "123" in that window means "sims/01/rockboxui −−background" |
| 10:41:19 | Galois | er, that's terrible, you want something like /full/path/to/sims/01/rockboxui instead of just sims/ |
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| 10:41:56 | Galois | you can make it permanent by editing ~/.bashrc in your favorite text editor (~/.bashrc is a line by line listing of commands that are run at startup for every window) |
| 10:43:24 | RedBreva | I can indeed create a 'shortcut' from within Konqueror, that allows me to point to an exectutable and pass parameters :) |
| 10:43:44 | RedBreva | No way to command line the creation of one of thos I suppose? |
| 10:43:55 | Galois | that's exactly what alias is for |
| 10:44:50 | Galois | a link in linux means "this link corresponds to that file" |
| 10:44:55 | Galois | very different from shortcuts or aliases |
| 10:45:24 | Galois | it's arguably much more powerful −− for example Windows shortcuts do not work on DLLs, but linux links do work with the linux equivalent of shared libraries |
| 10:45:37 | Mikachu | RedBreva: you can do echo '01/rockboxui −−background' > 01_player;chmod +x 01_player |
| 10:45:58 | Mikachu | that's probably what your file manager does |
| 10:48:22 | amiconn | Galois: On NTFS it's possible to create a different type of link, so called junctions (not with windows explorer but there are free command line and graphical tools) |
| 10:48:36 | amiconn | These work for everything and are transparent for applications |
| 10:48:51 | Mikachu | do they work across partitions? |
| 10:49:19 | amiconn | Beware though: they are so transparent that even explorer doesn't know about them. If you delete a junction to a directory, you will delete the target dir |
| 10:49:23 | Mikachu | on linux, you can do it regardless of the fs |
| 10:49:35 | amiconn | Mikachu: Even on fat? |
| 10:49:35 | Mikachu | junctions sound a lot like mount −−bind |
| 10:49:49 | Mikachu | yeah, talking about mount now, not hardlinks |
| 10:49:55 | amiconn | No, they aren't like mount |
| 10:50:36 | Mikachu | you know what mount −−bind does? |
| 10:50:49 | amiconn | They are like links (didn't check yet whether they work cross-partition) and are an incarnation of the yet more powerful concept of reparse points |
| 10:52:18 | Mikachu | you can use bind mounts on both dirs and files |
| 10:55:01 | Kohlrabi | um, this junction thing sounds interesting, got any links to GUI-junction-programs handy? (just reading the knowledgebase description for cmdline) |
| 10:55:19 | Kohlrabi | ah |
| 10:55:21 | amiconn | 'winbolic link' is one |
| 10:55:29 | Kohlrabi | Should have checked wikipedia first;) |
| 10:55:36 | Kohlrabi | thx, I'll look for it :) |
| 10:56:03 | amiconn | The commandline tool is called 'junction', from sysinternals |
| 10:56:15 | Kohlrabi | "Interesting tidbit: a hall of mirrors effect can be created by placing a JP in the folder it targets." |
| 10:56:16 | Kohlrabi | :) |
| 10:56:30 | Mikachu | "Note: junction points link only to folders (*). You can create a similar link to a file, but with the restriction that the file must belong to the same logical volume, using hard links." says wikipedia |
| 10:56:58 | Galois | hm smells like mount bind to me |
| 10:57:18 | Mikachu | me too |
| 10:58:30 | amiconn | I don't know, but I would think that unlike ntfs junctions, mount −−bind is not handled by the filyesystem |
| 10:58:44 | Mikachu | yes, but the end result is similar |
| 10:59:20 | amiconn | There's one type of junctions you can create with no additional tools, and that's know to explorer. |
| 10:59:47 | amiconn | You can put one partition into a (sub-dir) of another - no need to create drive letters for every partition |
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| 11:00:18 | Mikachu | like regular mounting |
| 11:00:50 | amiconn | yes, but handled by the parent filesystem driver |
| 11:01:25 | amiconn | It requires ntfs, and windows 2000+ |
| 11:02:11 | Kohlrabi | 'NTFS link' looks nice, it's integrated into the shell |
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| 11:24:19 | RedBreva | is it possible to run more than one sim at a time? |
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| 11:37:27 | udo | anyone awake with knowledge about iriver H1x0 hardware? |
| 11:37:46 | JdGordon | does playback not boost anymore?? playback pauses if i hold down up/down in the tree view... |
| 11:38:08 | udo | I was wondering about iriver H1x0 mods |
| 11:38:46 | udo | maybe swapping the crystal that makes the 44.100 Hz samplerate |
| 11:38:57 | udo | to get to 48000? |
| 11:39:34 | udo | or somethign else? |
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| 11:48:46 | RedBreva | Yep, but you have to do it from the command line, the 'shortcuts' created by Konquer will only run one at a time :( |
| 11:48:53 | RedBreva | Ah well |
| 11:51:11 | udo | no one? later then |
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| 12:30:07 | amiconn | Hmm, these archos 'rubber' bumpers are made of anything but rubber :/ |
| 12:30:36 | amiconn | Obviously they slowly decay over time, producing some pink liquid... |
| 12:32:39 | daurnimator | lol |
| 12:32:44 | daurnimator | wtf |
| 12:36:12 | * | amiconn dissected both his player & recorder, resoldered the battery contacts and equipped both units with a set of new 2700mAh cells |
| 12:36:37 | amiconn | I had to clean the bumpers of the recorder thoroughly |
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| 12:48:49 | preglow | amiconn: trying spdif analogue monitoring, works great |
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| 12:49:07 | preglow | cd player -> spdif -> h120 -> line out -> pc |
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| 12:51:26 | amiconn | :) |
| 12:51:54 | amiconn | The reverse should also work |
| 12:52:00 | preglow | amiconn: hmm |
| 12:52:06 | preglow | amiconn: monitoring is not turned off when i exit the recording screen |
| 12:52:12 | preglow | imho, it should be |
| 12:52:31 | amiconn | Playback should reset it |
| 12:52:40 | amiconn | I know, we need a proper driver.... |
| 12:52:46 | preglow | right |
| 12:52:55 | preglow | if that'll fix it, it's ok |
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| 13:00:53 | andy__ | morning ladies and gents, i just did my first recording on the x5 |
| 13:01:00 | preglow | \o_ |
| 13:03:12 | andy__ | my god.. so little work, why didn't i try this earlier :) |
| 13:03:28 | preglow | what iis channel was recording on? |
| 13:03:38 | andy__ | iis1 |
| 13:03:47 | preglow | playback too? |
| 13:04:00 | andy__ | yep.. it works in duplex mode |
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| 13:10:23 | andy__ | has anyone looked at the recording-codec patch btw? it would be nice with realtime mp3 encoding :) |
| 13:11:08 | petur | after 3.0 ;) |
| 13:11:20 | andy__ | yep |
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| 13:13:00 | markun | and wavpack |
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| 13:15:17 | andy__ | and speex |
| 13:15:21 | preglow | perhaps... |
| 13:15:24 | preglow | speex encoding isn't cheap |
| 13:20:59 | amiconn | We don't even have speex decoding yet :/ |
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| 13:51:32 | andy__ | hm.. line-in does not work.. i get radio static instead :) anyone found a GPIO to select line-in/radio yet? :) |
| 13:52:03 | JdGordon | ... mentioneing the target would prob be a good idea.. |
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| 14:00:40 | andy__ | aha.. GPIO 29 (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments#iAudio_X5) |
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| 14:19:10 | daurnimator | ya mum was SO loose, she was the prototype for a ZIF connecter |
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| 14:23:20 | whatboutbob | greetings folks. I have yet another q...this time about 24bit playback on the h1xx. is it dithered to 16bit, or is it 'legitimately' 24bits? |
| 14:23:44 | preglow | all data is truncated to 16 bits |
| 14:23:49 | preglow | no dithering |
| 14:24:00 | whatboutbob | ah.o k. thanks |
| 14:24:07 | preglow | i'll add a dithering option after 3.0 |
| 14:24:52 | preglow | we'll also have 20 bit playback when someone bothers to make it |
| 14:24:53 | Cassandra | Now that's interesting. |
| 14:24:56 | preglow | that's the max |
| 14:25:02 | Cassandra | I bought an ER4P->ER4S cable. |
| 14:25:14 | Cassandra | The iPod happily drives the ER4S. |
| 14:26:02 | Cassandra | And the main effect seems to be that the bass is slightly more defined. |
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| 14:27:03 | whatboutbob | preglow: would the effort to get 20bit playback running then make life easier for 20bit recording? :) |
| 14:27:18 | whatboutbob | ...pave the way... |
| 14:27:20 | preglow | a bit |
| 14:27:22 | preglow | but not much |
| 14:28:18 | Cassandra | Can someone explain to me why you'd want to record at higher bit depth that 16. |
| 14:28:36 | Cassandra | I mean it's not as if you can hear frequencies as high as 44Khz any way. |
| 14:28:42 | daurnimator | cause you can |
| 14:29:05 | Mikachu | Cassandra: to halve the frequency later and listen to whale song? :P |
| 14:29:13 | Mikachu | or is that low frequency? |
| 14:29:16 | Mikachu | maybe dolphins then |
| 14:29:46 | preglow | Cassandra: bit rate has nothing to do with sample rate |
| 14:29:47 | Mikachu | Cassandra: besides, 44khz sampling frequency lets you record frequencies up to 22khz only, and that's the theoretical upper limit |
| 14:29:59 | Mikachu | there's that too |
| 14:30:23 | preglow | Cassandra: increasing bit depth will lower the noise floor, which is at -96dB at 16 bits |
| 14:30:51 | Mikachu | is that the same thing as saying it increases the dynamic depth? |
| 14:30:57 | preglow | dynamic range, yes |
| 14:30:57 | preglow | :) |
| 14:31:00 | Cassandra | Can you really detect sounds that quiet? |
| 14:31:06 | preglow | Cassandra: if they're load enough |
| 14:31:24 | preglow | Cassandra: the ear can detect more than 96 db |
| 14:31:32 | preglow | you'll end up deaf, but yeah... |
| 14:32:38 | preglow | i agree more with us needing higher bit depth more than us needing higher sample rate |
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| 14:32:45 | preglow | but i don't really care much about either |
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| 14:33:14 | Cassandra | Ah, so higher bit depth gives finer gradation of sound? Of course. |
| 14:33:21 | Cassandra | Still seems pretty pointless though. |
| 14:33:29 | preglow | pointless it's not, it depends what you're doing |
| 14:33:33 | Mikachu | yes, you could detect smaller differences between volumes at a given level too |
| 14:33:45 | preglow | for a finished track, mixed and everything clear, i think cd quality is just fine |
| 14:33:52 | preglow | for production purposes though, hell no |
| 14:34:14 | whatboutbob | cassandra: and any extra noise floor hurts when amplified...which is what tapers usually have to do... |
| 14:34:31 | preglow | yup |
| 14:34:51 | preglow | i don't consider a recording a finished thing |
| 14:34:56 | preglow | it usually needs post processing |
| 14:35:10 | preglow | and when that's a fact, you should use all the bit depth you can |
| 14:35:25 | Cassandra | Sort of makes sense, I suppose. |
| 14:35:26 | Mikachu | if you want to change the pitch, doubled sample frequency is useful |
| 14:35:40 | Cassandra | Particularly if you're using SPDIF to record from a decent source. |
| 14:35:44 | preglow | yup |
| 14:35:57 | whatboutbob | ...but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me...my ears are happy with 16bits...but there are plenty of tapers already asking about it since the spdif stuff was committed. |
| 14:36:37 | Cassandra | whatboutbob, the thing is, I think a lot of "audiophile" stuff is basically technology dicksizing. |
| 14:36:51 | whatboutbob | cassandra: i agree entirely. |
| 14:36:53 | Cassandra | And I consider myself an audiophile. Just not an obsessive one. |
| 14:37:24 | andy__ | hm.. i've found references to EBUCONFIG2 in the IAudio X5 code.. It could mean that SPDIF is available through the dock connector |
| 14:37:26 | preglow | i like to apply common sense to it |
| 14:37:26 | preglow | heh |
| 14:37:31 | Mikachu | so you don't buy cable lifters for $1500? |
| 14:37:46 | Cassandra | preglow, exactly why I asked. |
| 14:37:51 | andy__ | err.. EBU1CONFIG |
| 14:38:00 | preglow | andy__: receive only, then |
| 14:38:41 | * | Cassandra wonders if the 'improvements' I'm hearing with the ER4S cable are placebo effect. |
| 14:38:44 | whatboutbob | andy_: wow! |
| 14:38:51 | Cassandra | I can't be arsed to ABX it though. |
| 14:39:28 | Mikachu | is that audiophile talk for a blind test? |
| 14:39:58 | preglow | a double blind one |
| 14:40:13 | whatboutbob | ...with a half twist... |
| 14:40:31 | whatboutbob | ...and the real show-offs add a pike. |
| 14:41:46 | Cassandra | Someone ought to write an ABX plugin for Rockbox. |
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| 14:41:53 | amiconn | preglow: Imho anything >16 bit is pointless with our hardware |
| 14:42:10 | preglow | amiconn: not spdif |
| 14:42:25 | amiconn | The uda is so noisy that I strongly doubt it gets even close to 90 dB s/n ration |
| 14:42:25 | preglow | for spdif it makes very much sense |
| 14:42:51 | preglow | it really shouldn't be very hard to code it either |
| 14:43:26 | amiconn | Well, I would stay away from it. It will cost a lot more cpu because we'll end up in interrupt hell |
| 14:43:31 | preglow | sure |
| 14:43:40 | preglow | but i still think it's worth trying |
| 14:43:41 | andy__ | hehe |
| 14:43:44 | preglow | we've got the hardware for it |
| 14:46:44 | qwm | :) |
| 14:46:44 | whatboutbob | We've got the hardware to put men on the moon too. Did we do that? Oh...wait... |
| 14:46:51 | qwm | abx? |
| 14:47:00 | * | whatboutbob was never in the debating club... |
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| 14:47:27 | qwm | Cassandra: what's ABX? :> |
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| 14:48:44 | amiconn | Hmm, the uda datasheet claims an s/n ratio of >=87dB for the headphone driver. I wonder why it's so noisy then in the iriver... |
| 14:49:13 | preglow | have you measured it? |
| 14:49:32 | preglow | if not, please do so, you might be surprised at how low noise thresholds you can hear |
| 14:50:14 | Cassandra | qwm: A double-blind audio test. Basically a way of checking for perceived quality differences in audio without the effect that knowing what you're listening to gives. |
| 14:50:31 | amiconn | I didn't measure it. I don't even have an idea how to measure noise. |
| 14:51:01 | amiconn | I only know that the archos' headphone out is significantly less noisy than the iriver's |
| 14:52:35 | qwm | Cassandra: i see. :) |
| 14:53:18 | Cassandra | http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16295 is a good explanation. |
| 14:53:43 | preglow | amiconn: just play a sine wave and record it? |
| 14:53:56 | Cassandra | When I go back to the H140, the first thing I notice is how noisy its headphone out is. |
| 14:54:00 | whatboutbob | qwm: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16295 |
| 14:54:07 | whatboutbob | bah! :) |
| 14:54:09 | preglow | if the noise floor is higher than that of your input, then you should be able to measure it fine |
| 14:57:19 | preglow | god, i miss the audio facilities in windows |
| 14:57:37 | preglow | the one thing for which linux is still crap-ish |
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| 15:12:07 | Mogwai | I've been trying the daily builds on my 4g ipod and all builds after 20060501 seems very unstable. Is there something like an community accepted stable build for Rockbox or should I just keep trying builds at random? |
| 15:12:56 | Cassandra | Not really, no. |
| 15:13:08 | Cassandra | Things are likely to be more broken until the 3.0 release. |
| 15:14:09 | Mogwai | I see, so is there a stable 2.0 milestone release I could use or should I just continue with my 20060501 :) |
| 15:14:28 | preglow | use whatever works |
| 15:15:11 | Mogwai | ok, got it, thanks |
| 15:21:06 | preglow | amiconn: how does the dma interface know how much to transfer from the PDIR register at a time? |
| 15:21:16 | preglow | the value in BCR is waaay larger than the fifo depth |
| 15:22:50 | amiconn | The dma is demand-driven from the audio interface |
| 15:23:20 | preglow | ok, cool |
| 15:23:52 | amiconn | Only dma channel 0 and 1 support demand-mode from audio interface |
| 15:25:59 | preglow | you can use movem with the PDIR registers |
| 15:26:09 | amiconn | Yes I know |
| 15:26:18 | preglow | interrupt mode might not end up _that_ slow |
| 15:26:52 | amiconn | ~4 samples/interrupt |
| 15:27:12 | preglow | right |
| 15:27:15 | preglow | movem can't read the entire fifo |
| 15:27:16 | amiconn | Plus our output buffers would need double width (32 bit/channel) |
| 15:27:26 | preglow | sure, which i think is good anyway :> |
| 15:27:41 | amiconn | ?? |
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| 15:42:40 | tempel | Tach |
| 15:43:06 | tempel | I try to find the source code of "ipodpatcher". Does anyone know where that is? I looked into the CVS but could not find it |
| 15:49:52 | Cassandra | Can someone explain to me the difference between a speaker port driven by an amp, and the speaker port on an MP3 player? |
| 15:50:03 | Cassandra | Erm, headphone port |
| 15:50:39 | dpro | tempel: dunno but ipodpatcher seems to be essentially 'dd' |
| 15:50:58 | tempel | i need it to rebuild for windows, and need to see the source, though |
| 15:51:18 | tempel | and it has more functions that dd |
| 15:56:15 | dpro | tempel: what do you need it to do ? (/me has never used it ipod_fw and dd did the job ) |
| 15:56:42 | mirak | hi |
| 15:56:45 | tempel | i am reviewing and updating the docs on how to install a loader for ipodlinux |
| 15:56:58 | dpro | tempel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/ipodpatcher-0.3.zip |
| 15:57:00 | tempel | in the process i found that the tools used for windows are not even known to us |
| 15:57:04 | dpro | it was right on the wiki ;) |
| 15:57:25 | mirak | with v5 bootloader there is no usb charging possible ? |
| 15:57:25 | tempel | ah, had not realized that it contains the sourc as well. thanks |
| 15:59:46 | PaulJam | mirak: if you are talking about the v5 bootloader for h300, then you can use the usb charging of the original firmware by holding the record button while inserting the usb cable |
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| 16:00:03 | mirak | that's what I though |
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| 16:04:07 | Falco98 | hey JdG |
| 16:16:43 | andy__ | ok.. x5 recording patch in tracker now |
| 16:18:09 | andy__ | line-in is not working yet and recording volume is not functional either (it should work :)).. |
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| 16:22:17 | Falco98 | JdGordon: u around? |
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| 16:33:54 | mikearthur | current CVS drop is pretty broken |
| 16:34:19 | mikearthur | can't access any fonts, and all the themes have the default font, so are all aligned incorrectly |
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| 16:35:24 | PaulJam | there is a seperate font pack available |
| 16:36:13 | PaulJam | the fonts arent included anymore in the dayly/bleeding edge builds |
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| 16:39:04 | mikearthur | ok |
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| 16:39:08 | mikearthur | where do I get it from? |
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| 16:40:11 | PaulJam | they can be found on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml (they are a little bit hard to find) |
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| 16:53:43 | Falco98 | anyone wanna read the code of the latest "insert random folders" patch and tell me how it decildes where to insert? |
| 16:53:44 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 16:56:57 | * | Falco98 kicks JdGordon |
| 16:58:41 | Falco98 | (but not in a mean way) |
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| 17:05:57 | BoD[] | Hello ! |
| 17:06:28 | BoD[] | hey... When I try to make (under cygwin) it fails with this message : make: *** sudoku: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 17:06:33 | BoD[] | make[2]: *** [sudoku] Error 2 |
| 17:06:47 | BoD[] | any idea on what is wrong? |
| 17:07:03 | BoD[] | i did make clean before but doesn't help |
| 17:08:31 | BoD[] | also, I have a mp3 that fails to play |
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| 17:08:50 | BoD[] | (but not sure it's the case on the latest build since I can't build) |
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| 17:09:38 | Falco98 | umm |
| 17:09:47 | BoD[] | (in case anybody's interested) |
| 17:09:50 | Falco98 | BoD[]: does your path have any spaces in it? |
| 17:10:01 | BoD[] | which path |
| 17:10:11 | Falco98 | the path containing your source code |
| 17:10:21 | BoD[] | nop : /home/Administrator/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build |
| 17:10:39 | Falco98 | ahh sry |
| 17:10:52 | Falco98 | though i've heard various reports today that the CVS is messed up |
| 17:11:05 | Falco98 | i don't really get stuff from the cvs so i wouldn't know for sure :-P |
| 17:11:17 | Falco98 | can you get any old releases to build? |
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| 17:31:01 | BoD[] | hmmm |
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| 17:35:57 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 17:36:02 | Falco98 | yo |
| 17:36:07 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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| 17:39:07 | Falco98 | !ping jdgordon |
| 17:39:17 | Falco98 | ?whois jdgordon |
| 17:39:30 | Falco98 | hrm i forget the old IRC commands... |
| 17:40:59 | crwl | use / |
| 17:44:40 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 17:45:09 | Jungti1234 | I bought E10. :D |
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| 17:46:37 | Falco98 | E10? |
| 17:49:23 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 17:49:25 | Jungti1234 | iriver E10 |
| 17:49:55 | linuxstb_ | Jungti1234: Do you know what CPU is inside the E10? |
| 17:50:48 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 17:50:58 | Jungti1234 | It didn't come yet. |
| 17:51:54 | Falco98 | http://tinyurl.com/j8m27 |
| 17:52:00 | Falco98 | found it :) |
| 17:52:05 | Falco98 | looks interesting |
| 17:52:12 | Falco98 | small... |
| 17:52:28 | Falco98 | is anyone messing with the iriver T series yet? |
| 17:52:34 | Jungti1234 | It comes in next week. Then, I'm going to see hardware. |
| 17:52:35 | Falco98 | i haven't found ANYTHING about it on the forums, etc. |
| 17:53:55 | Jungti1234 | Falco98, T series? |
| 17:54:36 | Falco98 | yeah.. hold on i'll show u an example |
| 17:54:51 | Jungti1234 | T10, T20, T30. |
| 17:55:06 | Falco98 | http://tinyurl.com/ema48 |
| 17:55:26 | Jungti1234 | yeah, I knew. |
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| 17:56:06 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 17:56:08 | Falco98 | http://tinyurl.com/efxdg |
| 17:56:10 | Jungti1234 | then, you want T series forum? |
| 17:56:35 | Falco98 | i havent seen the t20 tho.. but the t10 and t30 are at best buy |
| 17:56:46 | Falco98 | are you saying there IS a T series forum? |
| 17:56:55 | Falco98 | i haven't found the T series even mentioned in the forums |
| 17:57:05 | Falco98 | all they're talking about "possibly" doing is the H10 |
| 17:57:53 | Jungti1234 | um |
| 17:57:59 | Jungti1234 | where? |
| 17:58:11 | Falco98 | in the FAQ |
| 17:58:22 | Falco98 | or the "future ports" section |
| 17:58:53 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
| 17:58:56 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 17:58:59 | Falco98 | no mention of T-series |
| 17:59:08 | Jungti1234 | umm |
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| 18:00:16 | Jungti1234 | that's thing which you must make. |
| 18:00:57 | Falco98 | well all i'm saying is, i'm surprised noone else has brought it up yet |
| 18:01:06 | Falco98 | these players have been in the stores for months and months now |
| 18:01:10 | JdGordon | hey Falco98 |
| 18:01:24 | Falco98 | maybe it's not possible to do new f/w for them, but if so i wanna see a report for why ;-) |
| 18:01:28 | Falco98 | JdGordon: hey, whats up |
| 18:01:33 | JdGordon | nm |
| 18:01:38 | Jungti1234 | http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_t20_feat.asp |
| 18:01:42 | JdGordon | time i went ot bed :p |
| 18:01:55 | Falco98 | oh you're leaving already? |
| 18:02:06 | Falco98 | i was hopping you could explain ur new patch to me a bit |
| 18:02:09 | Falco98 | hoping* |
| 18:02:19 | Falco98 | (maybe hopping a little too) |
| 18:02:48 | Jungti1234 | here is 01:02 :) |
| 18:03:06 | JdGordon | what i do is pick a random track in the current playeist.. then work through the plalist untll the next folder starts and insert the new one there... |
| 18:03:10 | JdGordon | 2.02am here.. |
| 18:03:12 | Falco98 | here it's 3 minutes after Noon |
| 18:03:16 | Jungti1234 | haha.. |
| 18:03:46 | Falco98 | that's what i figured.. but i can think of a few problems with that |
| 18:03:49 | Falco98 | well 1 or 2 |
| 18:04:02 | JdGordon | ? |
| 18:04:02 | BoD[] | ok |
| 18:04:04 | Falco98 | basically, how does an album get inserted randomly at the beginning? |
| 18:04:11 | BoD[] | I have a mp3 that doesn't ply |
| 18:04:17 | BoD[] | but plays correclty in winamp |
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| 18:04:21 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon, we must sleep. |
| 18:04:25 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 18:04:32 | dongs | hm |
| 18:04:36 | dongs | Jungti1234: itslate. |
| 18:04:37 | Jungti1234 | hi dongs |
| 18:04:43 | BoD[] | anybody's interested ? :) |
| 18:04:43 | dongs | hi |
| 18:04:43 | JdGordon | if the playlist is empty its instered at the start.. if its not empty its almost impossible for it to be instered there.. |
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| 18:04:48 | JdGordon | haha Jungti1234 so true |
| 18:04:54 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 18:04:55 | Falco98 | well |
| 18:04:58 | dongs | 01;04 |
| 18:05:04 | Jungti1234 | yeah. |
| 18:05:08 | Falco98 | once the first album has been inserted into the new playlist you're creating |
| 18:05:13 | Falco98 | it's not empty anymore right? |
| 18:05:20 | Jungti1234 | Korea and Japan is same time. |
| 18:05:20 | JdGordon | ye |
| 18:05:32 | Falco98 | so the second album you insert has what, a 1 - in - 15 chance of getting in before the first one? |
| 18:05:44 | Falco98 | (or is it even possible at all?) |
| 18:06:22 | JdGordon | no, the 2nd album inserted is almost definatly going to be inserted at the end... but as u ad more the numbers get smaller.. it works fine in my testging |
| 18:06:27 | Falco98 | and every folder you insert after that, has even less of a chance to get "first" |
| 18:06:58 | Falco98 | what, so if the playlist you have so far has 500 songs in it.. and the random picker picks position #3 ... |
| 18:07:13 | Falco98 | will the album you're inserting be inserted before the first album or after? |
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| 18:07:48 | JdGordon | it would get instered before the first track after #3 that is not in the same folder as #3 |
| 18:08:01 | Falco98 | so after the first album |
| 18:08:10 | JdGordon | its not flawless.. but its much better on memory... |
| 18:08:16 | JdGordon | no stroing indicies at all... |
| 18:08:21 | Falco98 | so the more tracks have been inserted, the less the chance that something gets in "before" the 1st album |
| 18:08:46 | Falco98 | yeah, that seems like it might be an advantage |
| 18:08:48 | JdGordon | somethinglike that... like i said.. its 2am and iv had a few beers.. |
| 18:09:01 | Falco98 | we just need to figure out how to tweak the algorithm to solve the first-album-insert case |
| 18:09:08 | Falco98 | cuz now it's rather biased :-P |
| 18:10:15 | JdGordon | well.. the code is there.. i dont tinhk its too complicated.. if u can think of a good tweak im all ears... but now im going to bed |
| 18:10:32 | JdGordon | nn |
| 18:10:38 | Falco98 | ok |
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| 18:10:50 | Falco98 | i'll leave messages in the forum thread and/or flyspray |
| 18:10:59 | Falco98 | heh oh well :-P |
| 18:13:14 | dongs | dongs. |
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| 18:21:41 | Jungti1234 | oooooommmmmmm |
| 18:21:58 | Jungti1234 | I'm dozing now... |
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| 18:22:36 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 18:23:07 | dongs | kekeke. i r korea. kekekek. zerg. |
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| 18:27:14 | Cassandra | Genre9mp3, heya. How goes converting your WPS to the new structure? |
| 18:27:28 | Genre9mp3 | Hello! |
| 18:27:44 | Genre9mp3 | I am away from my home right now... |
| 18:27:45 | dongs | new strucutre/ |
| 18:27:57 | Genre9mp3 | I'll work on it when I go back |
| 18:28:10 | Cassandra | Ah, right. I thought you were back. |
| 18:30:18 | Genre9mp3 | I'll probably be back Tuesday or something... |
| 18:31:22 | Cassandra | OK. |
| 18:31:38 | Hansmaulwurf | new wps structure? |
| 18:33:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you guys just talking about the new way WPSes are included when you make a rockbox archive? |
| 18:33:43 | Cassandra | Yes. |
| 18:33:57 | Cassandra | Nothing about the files itself has changed. |
| 18:34:40 | Genre9mp3 | BTW..this way it's way better now! ;) |
| 18:35:04 | Cassandra | That was the intention. ;) |
| 18:35:35 | Falco98 | what has changed? |
| 18:36:33 | Cassandra | Copes with multiple resolutions better now. CVS only contains one copy of each BMP file. |
| 18:36:59 | dongs | about time |
| 18:37:08 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 18:41:34 | Hansmaulwurf | btw, is it maybe possible to use different fonts on the rwps and wps? |
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| 18:41:51 | dongs | heh |
| 18:41:53 | dongs | no |
| 18:44:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible. It's just not possible the way things are right now. |
| 18:44:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heck, I think it's implemented in the multifont patch. |
| 18:44:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, no, it's planned for a future iteration of it. |
| 18:46:03 | Falco98 | hardeep: u around? |
| 18:46:29 | hardeep | Falco98: hey. what's up? |
| 18:47:00 | Falco98 | jdgordon figured out a way of doing album insertion without keeping an index array |
| 18:47:18 | hardeep | Falco98: yeah, i took a look at the patch |
| 18:47:21 | Falco98 | though the tradeoff might be somewhat more processor intensive |
| 18:47:23 | hardeep | looks pretty good |
| 18:47:34 | hardeep | yeah, my two biggest concerns are performance |
| 18:47:45 | Mikachu | two? |
| 18:47:47 | hardeep | not so much the processor use but the disk usage |
| 18:47:51 | Falco98 | a few minutes ago i was hassling him about it because i came up with a very serious special-case bug |
| 18:48:03 | Falco98 | yeah.. well his new way probably won't chew on the disk too much thankfully |
| 18:48:19 | hardeep | actually, it does |
| 18:48:25 | Falco98 | oh? |
| 18:48:31 | hardeep | the playlist_get_track_info() call he makes requires a disk read |
| 18:48:44 | Falco98 | what does that do |
| 18:49:08 | hardeep | it retrieves the pathname of the track at a specified index |
| 18:49:17 | hardeep | we store the pathnames on disk usually |
| 18:49:35 | Falco98 | oh, so it has to read it from the current playlist file? |
| 18:49:43 | hardeep | or control file, yeah |
| 18:49:47 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 18:50:04 | Falco98 | which way do you think would end up being better? |
| 18:50:09 | Falco98 | the indexed way or the dynamic way? |
| 18:50:29 | hardeep | his new apprach is not bad, and it definitely handles the case of inserting into an existing shuffled tree |
| 18:50:41 | Falco98 | last night i dreamed up a way to insert random folders into an already-existing shuffled list even using indices |
| 18:50:49 | hardeep | the one other problem i have is the possibility of certain directories "clumping" together |
| 18:50:58 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 18:51:07 | Falco98 | well this is my problem with his new implementation: |
| 18:51:22 | Falco98 | the first folder inserted will nearly ALWAYS end up at the beginning of the playlist |
| 18:51:56 | Falco98 | because after the first one is inserted, it picks a random number (1 - #tracks), then counts UP to find the next directory boundary |
| 18:52:05 | hardeep | yeah, and folders with less tracks are less likely to be reached randomly and will clump with their neighbors |
| 18:52:13 | Falco98 | so unless the rand picks 0 (and maybe even if), the second insertion will go AFTER the first |
| 18:52:34 | hardeep | yup |
| 18:52:46 | Falco98 | well i dunno about that.. even small directories will be inserted at a random position in the big list, right? |
| 18:53:21 | Falco98 | it does make large directories more likely to recieve "neighbors", but i'm not sure that would be too much of a problem if not for the "first case" problem |
| 18:53:21 | hardeep | oh, hmmm |
| 18:53:37 | hardeep | yeah, you're right |
| 18:54:06 | Falco98 | i posted a sample solution to this problem on flyspray, though |
| 18:54:11 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 18:54:13 | Falco98 | at the bottom |
| 18:54:18 | Falco98 | tell me what you think |
| 18:54:26 | hardeep | yeah, i noticed... sounds like it could work |
| 18:54:49 | hardeep | other option would be to "flip a coin" to determine whether to go up or down |
| 18:55:15 | Falco98 | true |
| 18:55:29 | Falco98 | that would even out the cases a bit, i guess |
| 18:55:47 | Falco98 | then again i kinda figured picking a random number was the "coin flip" in the first place :-P |
| 18:55:57 | Falco98 | (it is in the case where you're inserting the 2nd album in total) |
| 18:55:58 | hardeep | you could just use the random number |
| 18:56:02 | hardeep | if even, go down, if odd go up |
| 18:56:32 | dongs | maybe your rand() implementation sucks. |
| 18:56:36 | dongs | time to switch to MT |
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| 18:56:56 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 18:57:07 | hardeep | it looks solveable though |
| 18:57:16 | hardeep | i guess performance is the only concern |
| 18:57:31 | Falco98 | so.. overall, which way do you think would be the better implementation? the one we're discussing now, or having the existing playlist scanned to make an index array at the beginning? |
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| 18:58:05 | hardeep | Falco98: this new approach doesn't limit the number of albums that can be interested |
| 18:58:07 | Falco98 | (i figure that could solve the "insert into existing playlist" problem while still using indexes) |
| 18:58:08 | hardeep | which is good |
| 18:58:11 | Falco98 | indeed |
| 18:58:20 | dongs | playlists are evil anyway. |
| 18:58:22 | hardeep | s/interested/inserted |
| 18:58:25 | dongs | so are albums |
| 18:58:33 | dongs | and "artists" |
| 18:58:45 | dongs | jsut name all mp3 s track001.mp3 -> track999.mp3 |
| 18:58:49 | dongs | and put them in one dir |
| 18:58:51 | dongs | problem solved |
| 18:58:52 | hardeep | if performance is not too bad, i think this new approach is the better way |
| 18:59:00 | Falco98 | plus, this new approach won't explode if someone tries to insert random folders into an existing shuffled p/l |
| 18:59:20 | hardeep | yup |
| 18:59:43 | Falco98 | how severe a problem do you think all those disk-reads might end up being? |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:09 | hardeep | the disk will be active anyways since we're writing to it |
| 19:00:14 | hardeep | it'll just thrash some |
| 19:00:28 | hardeep | have you tried the patch on your device? |
| 19:00:32 | Falco98 | no |
| 19:00:35 | Falco98 | not yet, anyway |
| 19:00:52 | Falco98 | i've heard there might be problems with today's build, plus someone reported in the forum that the patch didn't compile |
| 19:01:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where's the description for this method? |
| 19:01:37 | hardeep | in the code =) |
| 19:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, wait |
| 19:01:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just misunderstood an earlier statement. |
| 19:01:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | To me "counts UP" meant "Moves vertically upward" not "Increases" |
| 19:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not have it flip a coin to decide between counting up or down seeking a directory boundary? |
| 19:02:24 | Falco98 | that was what hardeep suggested |
| 19:02:27 | Falco98 | it seems reasonable |
| 19:02:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right |
| 19:02:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I see |
| 19:02:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm only half here.. |
| 19:02:41 | Falco98 | my initial thought was to have it compare to the (total # of tracks) /2 |
| 19:02:52 | Falco98 | and if the random # is lower, it seeks down, and vice versa |
| 19:02:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well then change that from me suggesting that idea, to agreeing with his suggestion. |
| 19:03:04 | Falco98 | hehe |
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| 19:13:09 | dongs | o:rly |
| 19:13:18 | Falco98 | ya:rly |
| 19:14:55 | dongs | more like shitty jap keyboard |
| 19:15:09 | Falco98 | dunno what you mean |
| 19:15:19 | dongs | well, ' is shift-7 on jap keyboard. |
| 19:15:21 | dongs | what the fuck |
| 19:15:25 | dongs | and : is where ' is. |
| 19:15:33 | dongs | fucking useless. |
| 19:15:34 | Falco98 | interesting |
| 19:15:49 | Falco98 | couldn't you change the key mapping to US standard or something? |
| 19:15:53 | Falco98 | and type from memory? |
| 19:16:27 | dongs | nope |
| 19:16:31 | dongs | the keys are physically differnt |
| 19:16:35 | dongs | the right hand side |
| 19:16:43 | dongs | like [ ] etc |
| 19:16:49 | Mikachu | you can still remap them... |
| 19:17:02 | dongs | http://pepper.idge.net/suckasskeys.jpg |
| 19:17:05 | dongs | no yo ucant |
| 19:17:16 | dongs | good luck remapping that shit |
| 19:17:18 | Mikachu | maybe you can't |
| 19:17:19 | Mikachu | i can |
| 19:17:31 | dongs | the onl way you can remap them is with a crowbar |
| 19:17:51 | Mikachu | you're funny |
| 19:18:06 | dongs | im serious |
| 19:18:24 | dongs | did you look at the keycaps? |
| 19:18:30 | Mikachu | yes |
| 19:18:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, you could remap that pretty easily |
| 19:18:35 | dongs | theyre in wrong places. physically. how do you propose it should remap |
| 19:18:36 | Mikachu | there are even more keys than on a us keyboard |
| 19:18:50 | Mikachu | do you think the computer looks at the keycaps when you press a key? |
| 19:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean yeah, \ would go on the asdf line at the end, instead of qwerty line, but the rest of the keys in that general area could then line up |
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| 19:19:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you could move \ up to the number line |
| 19:20:08 | dongs | and what about [ and ] |
| 19:20:13 | dongs | cant program for shit without those 2 |
| 19:20:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | The two keys after P |
| 19:20:41 | Mikachu | uiop[] |
| 19:20:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right where they are on the US keyboard. |
| 19:20:48 | Mikachu | jkl;'\ |
| 19:20:56 | Mikachu | nm,./ |
| 19:21:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, see, Mikachu sees it too. |
| 19:21:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not rocket science. |
| 19:21:58 | dongs | oh well, still retarded. |
| 19:22:16 | Mikachu | sure, the default mapping looks pretty stupid |
| 19:22:24 | Mikachu | you should see the swedish default map |
| 19:22:27 | Mikachu | it has / shifted on 7 |
| 19:22:46 | dongs | heh |
| 19:23:01 | Mikachu | we have 3 extra letters though |
| 19:23:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Hansmaulwurf |
| 19:23:02 | Hansmaulwurf | (Mikachu) it has / shifted on 7 <−−- thats normal |
| 19:23:08 | Hansmaulwurf | on my german keyboard |
| 19:23:12 | dongs | only if youre gay |
| 19:23:24 | Falco98 | eww |
| 19:23:27 | Mikachu | then german keyboards are also stupid |
| 19:23:32 | Hansmaulwurf | why? |
| 19:23:45 | Mikachu | because / is shifted on 7... |
| 19:23:48 | Hansmaulwurf | i like it, we need the ae, ue, and oe very often so |
| 19:24:04 | Mikachu | i manage to have / unshifted and still have åäö |
| 19:24:32 | Hansmaulwurf | and where on the keyboard? |
| 19:24:35 | dongs | åäE |
| 19:24:36 | dongs | what |
| 19:24:42 | dongs | this looks gooky |
| 19:24:54 | Falco98 | Mikachu: those characters didn't show up here :-P |
| 19:25:08 | dongs | STOP HACKING ME |
| 19:25:36 | Falco98 | too late dongs, i've almost decrypted your hard drive and reverse-hacked your firewalls! |
| 19:25:49 | Falco98 | your R pwned!!!1!!one |
| 19:26:19 | dongs | SWEDES R HAXING ME |
| 19:26:21 | dongs | HALP |
| 19:26:29 | Mikachu | i think you would get along with kibble |
| 19:26:35 | Falco98 | heh |
| 19:26:53 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:26:53 | * | Falco98 wonders whether kibble:dongs is to c.k.:superman |
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| 19:27:12 | Mikachu | s/is to/as/ |
| 19:27:23 | Falco98 | messed it up, but u get the drift |
| 19:27:45 | Falco98 | [realized that only after having typed & committed] |
| 19:28:03 | dongs | i got a better one |
| 19:28:08 | Falco98 | and you're awefully confident that your readers can read & quickly interpret PerlRE aren't ya? |
| 19:28:11 | dongs | kibble:dongs as jews:wtc |
| 19:28:32 | Mikachu | perl didn't invent regex |
| 19:29:23 | Falco98 | whoops.. s/PerlRE/regex ...i guess |
| 19:29:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | s/a/b/ is pretty common in here. |
| 19:29:41 | Mikachu | and yes, most people on freenode should know regex :) |
| 19:29:55 | Falco98 | heh perhaps |
| 19:30:03 | Mikachu | and i didn't even use regex |
| 19:30:21 | Mikachu | i used the s command with a plain text search |
| 19:30:38 | Falco98 | ok u can stop pointing out all the things i got wrong any minute now :-P |
| 19:30:45 | dongs | i proudly used Windows XP Professional SP2. |
| 19:30:59 | dongs | used/use |
| 19:31:58 | Mikachu | Falco98: i think that was about it |
| 19:32:06 | Falco98 | heh cool |
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| 19:35:19 | dongs | so i went to my friend today to give away my ipod shuffle and show off rockbox, and when i demoed all the games and shit on my nano he got hard |
| 19:36:01 | dongs | (hot sex followed) |
| 19:36:07 | dongs | (thanks rockbox team) |
| 19:36:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:37:11 | * | Falco98 barfs a little... |
| 19:37:32 | dongs | orly? |
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| 19:37:35 | dongs | why is that. |
| 19:37:44 | Hansmaulwurf | people who bought an i pod shuffle should not allowed to install rockbox on their players |
| 19:37:57 | Hansmaulwurf | (imho) ;) |
| 19:38:07 | dongs | really now |
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| 19:38:10 | dongs | whats wrong with shuffle? |
| 19:38:38 | Hansmaulwurf | lets start with the display |
| 19:38:43 | Hansmaulwurf | wait, what display? |
| 19:38:46 | dongs | why woudl i need a display? |
| 19:38:47 | Presence | haah |
| 19:39:05 | dongs | Hansmaulwurf: i have all my mp3s in one dir |
| 19:39:09 | dongs | named from track001.mp3 |
| 19:39:10 | Hansmaulwurf | because I wanna choose what song i want to hear |
| 19:39:12 | dongs | to track???.mp3 |
| 19:39:18 | dongs | and they:re untagged |
| 19:39:22 | dongs | and i dont give a shit what they are |
| 19:39:24 | tim66 | yeah, but we've got the voice UI, so we could port text adventure games to it now?! |
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| 19:40:14 | petur | people who shuffle their songs either have no respect for the artist or listen to music that needs no respect |
| 19:40:34 | Hansmaulwurf | well |
| 19:40:35 | dongs | i never used the shuffle function. |
| 19:40:40 | dongs | i copied liek 20 mp3s to it in january |
| 19:40:45 | dongs | and havent changed them since then |
| 19:40:45 | Hansmaulwurf | shuffle mode for partys etc. is a great thing |
| 19:40:49 | Mikachu | petur: maybe that is true for some genres |
| 19:40:55 | Hansmaulwurf | but i wanna hear ti a complete album |
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| 19:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: Or they listen to music that comes as singles. Not everything is intended to be an album, or requires a context. |
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| 19:42:01 | Hansmaulwurf | what is a single? |
| 19:42:06 | Hansmaulwurf | :P |
| 19:42:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: The free downloads from They Might Be Giants, notably. :-P |
| 19:42:43 | dongs | fuck music |
| 19:42:46 | dongs | speaking of that |
| 19:42:49 | dongs | im on level 50 of bubbles. |
| 19:42:54 | dongs | like omg. |
| 19:42:56 | Hansmaulwurf | now THAT is a statement :P |
| 19:43:04 | Hansmaulwurf | 50 level of bubbles? |
| 19:43:08 | dongs | yes. |
| 19:43:12 | Hansmaulwurf | i have only 11 on rockbox |
| 19:43:31 | dongs | what? you lie/ |
| 19:43:36 | Hansmaulwurf | no |
| 19:43:38 | Hansmaulwurf | wiat |
| 19:43:39 | dongs | or do youmean you only played to level 11 |
| 19:43:44 | Hansmaulwurf | no |
| 19:43:45 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 19:43:58 | Hansmaulwurf | i *have* only 11 levels |
| 19:43:58 | dongs | it wont let you go to a level you havent played yet |
| 19:44:00 | Falco98 | on my h140 i have nothing but full albums, but i like listening to it on shuffle every once in a while |
| 19:44:22 | Falco98 | and it can be rather nice when crossfaded |
| 19:44:34 | Falco98 | hearing a classical song fade into rap, etc |
| 19:45:00 | Falco98 | (actually i don't remember whether i have any rap albums on it yet.. but definitely some heavier stuff) |
| 19:45:01 | PaulJam | i use the shuffle function almost always |
| 19:45:16 | dongs | i play bubbles |
| 19:45:19 | Falco98 | though now that there's actually "album shuffle" available i've been using that for the last few days |
| 19:45:38 | Hansmaulwurf | "album shuffle? |
| 19:45:42 | dongs | doesnt "album" play for liek 60 minutes? |
| 19:45:54 | dongs | when the fuck do you find 60 minutes to listen to stuff without interruption |
| 19:46:07 | dongs | let alone more than 60 minutes to let it shuffle :P |
| 19:46:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some people actually have the capability of listening to music *while* they work. |
| 19:46:44 | Hansmaulwurf | dongs: when i at home and doing stuff like cooking, doing stuff for university |
| 19:46:54 | Hansmaulwurf | etc. |
| 19:47:13 | Hansmaulwurf | or driving alone |
| 19:47:20 | Falco98 | Hansmaulwurf: yeah.. randomly inserts all folders in a subtree, by folder, creating a random-album-mode |
| 19:47:23 | Mikachu | i can't work while not listening to music |
| 19:47:57 | dongs | i hate music |
| 19:48:02 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 19:48:24 | dongs | Hansmaulwurf: so are you sure you only have 11 levels of bubbles? |
| 19:48:36 | Mikachu | dongs: wow you're in the wrong channel then |
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| 19:48:50 | Hansmaulwurf | dongs: i didnt play it for some weeks but i remember i had only 11 levels |
| 19:48:52 | Mikachu | Hansmaulwurf: what happens when you finish level 11? |
| 19:48:54 | Hansmaulwurf | or maybe 12, but not more |
| 19:49:19 | dongs | hm |
| 19:49:25 | Hansmaulwurf | "game over" or something |
| 19:49:37 | Hansmaulwurf | no, i finished the lelvel |
| 19:49:49 | dongs | hmm |
| 19:49:56 | dongs | weird |
| 19:50:01 | Mikachu | i found a bug just after it was committed, and that was on level 23 or somethengi |
| 19:50:05 | dongs | game over sounds like you failed it |
| 19:50:26 | Hansmaulwurf | Mikachu: i try to reach that levle |
| 19:50:28 | Hansmaulwurf | level |
| 19:50:43 | Mikachu | you can start on the last one you reached |
| 19:51:13 | dongs | yes |
| 19:51:15 | dongs | by scrolling |
| 19:51:19 | dongs | thats how im on level 59 |
| 19:51:20 | dongs | er |
| 19:51:21 | dongs | 50 |
| 19:51:34 | dongs | level 40 was a bitch |
| 19:52:16 | dongs | then after that it was some easy ones |
| 19:52:32 | dongs | somewhere near 50 was really cool, with proper aiming yo ucould nail the whole level in like 2 steps |
| 19:52:38 | dongs | because shit near the top was open |
| 19:52:50 | dongs | and it would bounce off all the shit below |
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| 19:53:30 | dongs | ISNT THAT GREAT?? |
| 19:53:47 | Mikachu | yes that sounds like level 1-10 |
| 19:54:04 | dongs | no u |
| 19:55:24 | dongs | 50 > 10 |
| 19:56:23 | dongs | http://specific.phone.lv/products.phtml < huhushuffle is fucking great |
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| 20:04:15 | * | Falco98 scratches his head |
| 20:04:27 | * | Mikachu hides the fleas |
| 20:04:34 | Mikachu | i didn't do it |
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| 20:06:49 | Falco98 | *whistles* |
| 20:06:51 | XavierGr | wow you guys sure talk a lot!!! :P |
| 20:06:58 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 20:07:07 | Falco98 | heh, you too :) |
| 20:07:35 | XavierGr | well... errr maybe! |
| 20:17:45 | * | dongs drops a pin |
| 20:18:57 | * | dongs drops another |
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| 20:23:43 | * | dongs drops a box of pins into #rockbox and watches every idle user get sporked |
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| 20:24:28 | exoduz | is rockbox also ont he 3th gen ipod 4 gig mini? |
| 20:25:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no 3rd gen mini... |
| 20:25:13 | exoduz | oh ok |
| 20:25:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which iPod are you talking about exactly? |
| 20:25:41 | exoduz | eh the 4 gig one its a Mini |
| 20:26:02 | exoduz | oh no its 6 Gig but its still Mini |
| 20:26:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if I recall we support 1st and 2nd gen minis. But, just for identifying which one you've got: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 20:27:16 | dongs | ipodlunix |
| 20:29:28 | petur | bah... kibble was more fun ;) |
| 20:29:37 | quan | any downside to the ipod video vs the ipod photo? |
| 20:30:30 | exoduz | ye i got ipod 2nd gen |
| 20:30:36 | exoduz | mini one of 6 gb |
| 20:31:36 | Falco98 | quan: price, maybe? |
| 20:31:45 | quan | Falco98, re: rockbox |
| 20:32:16 | petur | exoduz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 20:32:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | quan: The Photo has better battery life and playback in Rockbox right now I believe, though at this very moment it's less stable (all 4Gs are I understand). |
| 20:35:26 | exoduz | For iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin, < does that include grayscale 6 gig ? |
| 20:35:32 | quan | my 4g crashes a lot |
| 20:35:39 | quan | with rockbox |
| 20:35:46 | quan | think a 5g would be more stable? |
| 20:35:56 | dongs | what the shit |
| 20:36:05 | dongs | ipidlunix says they will never support the shuffle |
| 20:36:09 | dongs | ?? |
| 20:36:47 | exoduz | nm G = geneartion :< |
| 20:37:05 | dongs | define "crashes a lot" |
| 20:37:11 | dongs | where does it crash |
| 20:38:05 | dongs | omg i want my clicky sounds when spinning wheel |
| 20:38:20 | dongs | halp!11 |
| 20:39:20 | dongs | is anyone working on disassembling and documenting apple:s ipod firwmare? |
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| 20:39:34 | dongs | if so plz point me towards that place |
| 20:40:05 | quan | dongs: randomly during song playback |
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| 20:40:37 | dongs | is your battery low? |
| 20:41:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: It's a common problem on 4Gs. It's just a bug in Rockbox that's turned out difficult to track down. |
| 20:41:22 | dongs | nice |
| 20:41:26 | linuxstb_ | quan: Have you tried earlier builds? |
| 20:42:17 | quan | thats what I gotta do now |
| 20:42:24 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure if anyone has even tried to track it down. I haven't had any time recently, but have noticed random freezes on my 4g Color with a build from about a week ago. |
| 20:43:57 | dongs | http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware#Reverse_Engineering |
| 20:43:58 | dongs | oh yay |
| 20:44:08 | dongs | lol useless |
| 20:44:12 | dongs | 3 lines of shit |
| 20:44:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, it's at least still known to be agitated by CPU frequency changes, or at least, people are as recently as today talking about how setting the boost on causes theirs to crash less / not at all (though of course, it could be placebo for the "less" people). So even though nobody's really trying to track it down (shouldn't be during 3.0 freeze anyway) it's at least not completely unknown. :) |
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| 20:46:36 | XavierGr | what's the news about 3.0? Will the feature freeze be extended until June? |
| 20:46:45 | dongs | guys i want to hack the gibson |
| 20:47:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I don't think anyone's even suggested extending it past the 29th. |
| 20:47:44 | XavierGr | yes I meant 29 |
| 20:47:57 | linuxstb_ | It's definitely a recent problem for me - i.e. it started a few weeks after the CPU boosting was introduced, so the CPU boosting isn't top of my list of suspects. |
| 20:49:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, note I simply said "agitated by CPU frequency changes" :-P You listen to a lot of FLAC though, right? Or am I remembering incorrectly. |
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| 20:50:00 | linuxstb_ | Yes, that's true. |
| 20:50:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was actually wondering if it has something to do with the triggered boost to refill the PCM buffer, rather than actually the act of boosting itself... |
| 20:52:43 | dongs | why does rockbox skip if you play mp3aand scroll menus |
| 20:52:46 | dongs | and apple fw doesnt skip |
| 20:52:52 | dongs | i want my $0 back immediately! |
| 20:52:57 | crashd | because rockbox is in development :> |
| 20:53:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Feel free to write a better scrollwheel driver. |
| 20:53:25 | dongs | i dont think scrollwheel is the problem lol |
| 20:54:17 | linuxstb_ | Everything is the problem at the moment. |
| 20:54:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall, the scrolling creates a flood of interrupts and thus causes playback skips because our codecs aren't as fast as they could be, right? |
| 20:55:18 | dongs | we should just like |
| 20:55:25 | dongs | extract mp3 decoder from apple firmware |
| 20:55:32 | dongs | and load it as a binary image. |
| 20:55:39 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, and it's also the LCD driver being slow. |
| 20:55:40 | dongs | loool then it will be fast |
| 20:56:04 | dongs | i saw some attempts to do region updates on lcd |
| 20:56:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: And I heard font drawing in general was slow on color screens. |
| 20:56:13 | dongs | but then the function calls repaint on entire screen |
| 20:56:27 | dongs | amirite? |
| 20:56:30 | dongs | or did i miss somethign |
| 20:57:12 | dongs | more liek copyrightviolationbox |
| 20:57:23 | dongs | (when you take apple mp3 decoder + rockbox) |
| 20:57:49 | dongs | also i very much disagree with current way of handling various hardware |
| 20:57:51 | dongs | by using #ifdef |
| 20:58:05 | dongs | i think ipod shit should be all moved into its own files |
| 20:58:31 | dongs | or even better, all hardware/platform specific shit should be separate |
| 20:58:32 | linuxstb_ | That's what the target tree system is in the process of achieving. |
| 20:58:39 | dongs | #if dongs #else blah #etc etc gets really annoying |
| 20:59:02 | dongs | it should happen soon |
| 20:59:09 | dongs | before peopel get bored of stuff that doesnt work |
| 20:59:10 | dongs | :D |
| 20:59:34 | dongs | like if i wanna fix fading on nano |
| 20:59:37 | dongs | i dont care about iriver |
| 20:59:40 | dongs | or some other trash. |
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| 21:00:29 | dongs | fucking 4am |
| 21:00:32 | dongs | enoguh of this |
| 21:00:32 | dongs | bye |
| 21:00:33 | linuxstb_ | But as a Rockbox developer you have to care about all targets... |
| 21:00:38 | dongs | well |
| 21:00:47 | dongs | the problem is |
| 21:00:53 | dongs | it shouldnt be bunched up in one file |
| 21:00:59 | dongs | if you really "care" about your targets. |
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| 21:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think it's going to hurt the code's feelings due to cramped conditions. |
| 21:02:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's been proposed to create a tree structure for various hardwares to separate things into a more organized file structure. If you think it should happen soon, maybe you should start implementing it? |
| 21:02:25 | dongs | a greatly thought out hardware abstraction layer which deals with things like audio/lcd/whatever would go a long ways, but then you ahve some lunatics who want shit like spdif recording or some other insanity, so shit gets hacked on top of other shit and you got a big problem. |
| 21:02:38 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: why hasnt anyone done that yet. |
| 21:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I notice you're talking alot for not doing it. |
| 21:03:05 | linuxstb_ | dongs: Because it's only recently become a problem. |
| 21:03:17 | dongs | i have a job and a family to take care of, and not sort through thousands of lines of amateur code |
| 21:03:25 | dongs | linuxstb_: i thoguht so. because you only recently started supporting more than 2-3 platforms. |
| 21:03:44 | crashd | dongs: are you little cretin who was trolling here last night? |
| 21:03:56 | dongs | trolling? me? |
| 21:04:00 | crashd | good work |
| 21:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Many of the rest of the devs have jobs, families, and other draws on their time too. You aren't more important than them. If you want something done soon, do it. Otherwise, don't complain that it's not done yet. |
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| 21:08:43 | dongs | anyway. as i was saying. |
| 21:08:45 | dongs | sleeptime |
| 21:11:08 | XavierGr | dongs you call iriver trash |
| 21:11:20 | XavierGr | my my... look who's talking. |
| 21:11:39 | XavierGr | but I will stop DAP flamewars right now//// |
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| 21:12:33 | Albright | Okay, so I have an iPod, and I've been using iTunes to get the songs on and off... |
| 21:12:51 | Albright | And then using the "Force Tag Cache Rebuild" (or whatever) feature to get the songs to show up in RockBox... |
| 21:13:14 | XavierGr | yes and? |
| 21:13:25 | Albright | But is there a way to do it so I don't have to rebuild Tag Cache every time I move songs on or off the device? |
| 21:13:32 | Albright | Maybe have it just rebuild it every time it starts up or something? |
| 21:13:38 | Albright | Automatically? |
| 21:13:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have dircache enabled, and tagcache set to "Memory" it should |
| 21:13:55 | XavierGr | AFAIK no, you have to rebuild |
| 21:14:02 | XavierGr | :| |
| 21:14:06 | XavierGr | then I am talking bs |
| 21:14:26 | Albright | Hmm, okay, I'll try that. Thanks.\ |
| 21:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'll boot Rockbox after having moved new songs onto the player. Dircache should do its thing in the background. Then, once dircache has added them, the next time you reboot the player they should automatically be added to tagcache. At least, that's how it's worked for me. |
| 21:14:48 | Albright | Ah, so I still have to reboot it... |
| 21:15:21 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
| 21:15:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a fairly new feature. |
| 21:15:49 | Albright | Okay, I'll try it. |
| 21:15:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could always just organize your music in a filetree, and not have to deal with any of this. :-P |
| 21:16:29 | Albright | Yeah, maybe I'll do that if I'm sure I want to stick with RockBox. Still just testing it out. |
| 21:16:30 | TeaSea | Tagcache lacks quite a few things which means I don't use it :D |
| 21:16:50 | preglow | like what? |
| 21:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Inserting Albums/Folders/Levels into a playlist. |
| 21:17:09 | preglow | ouch |
| 21:17:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 21:17:15 | preglow | why doesn't that work? doesn't sound very hard |
| 21:17:20 | Albright | Oh, also, have any studies been done on battery consumption using RockBox versus using Apple's default firmware? |
| 21:17:28 | preglow | it's way worse |
| 21:17:29 | preglow | no studies |
| 21:17:40 | hardeep | i need to update the playlist code to handle the tagtree structure −− currently it's filetree specific |
| 21:17:40 | preglow | but yeah, it's a preliminary port |
| 21:17:41 | Albright | What's way worse? RockBox? |
| 21:17:47 | preglow | hardeep: ahh, right |
| 21:17:50 | preglow | Albright: rockbox yes |
| 21:18:23 | Albright | I thought as much. :( I was using it last night, and the battery seemed to drain much faster than it ever has in the past... I've never completely drained it in one night before. |
| 21:19:19 | TeaSea | Yes |
| 21:19:29 | TeaSea | To playlist insertion thing. |
| 21:21:09 | preglow | Albright: what player? |
| 21:21:23 | Albright | iPod nano, 4GB |
| 21:21:31 | preglow | nano has about ten hours play time now, i think |
| 21:21:43 | Albright | With RockBox? |
| 21:21:45 | preglow | yep |
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| 21:21:51 | preglow | it's even worse with the hard disk players |
| 21:21:59 | Albright | Hmm. Then maybe my battery wasn't full... |
| 21:22:15 | preglow | i'm not sure about the battery time |
| 21:22:20 | preglow | it probably changes from time to time |
| 21:22:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it can depend on format, bitrate, and if you have EQ set and stuff too. |
| 21:22:54 | Mikachu | and how much you touch it |
| 21:23:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
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| 21:29:33 | sharpe | i'm koo koo for coca puffs! |
| 21:30:03 | quan | I'm koo koo for shut the fuck up |
| 21:30:42 | sharpe | oh no! that hurts! |
| 21:31:29 | quan | ^ |
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| 22:47:20 | Eddward | Is mod file support in plan at all? On the web site it looks like it was toyed with but that it's not really planned for any particular release. |
| 22:49:01 | preglow | there's a patch for it |
| 22:49:07 | preglow | haven't tried it, but people says it works |
| 22:49:08 | sharpe | i've an idea! |
| 22:49:12 | sharpe | another of my great ideas... |
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| 22:51:42 | BHSPitLappy | do we know if the freeze extension is taking place or not? |
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| 22:53:26 | preglow | probably is |
| 22:54:08 | sharpe | no one wants to hear my idea... i guess they've all been sucky... oh well... |
| 22:54:11 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 22:55:03 | markun | sharpe: why don't you just tell it.. |
| 22:55:48 | sharpe | because... i don't know... |
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| 22:56:50 | * | amiconn learned today that there is an MMC4.1 protocol |
| 22:57:01 | amiconn | Finally, MMCs >4GB are possible |
| 22:57:22 | sharpe | the idea itself is kind of redundant, and doesn't seem very useful at the moment... sort of the same concept as a .dll, or .lib... |
| 22:57:26 | amiconn | The new limit is 2TB |
| 22:57:28 | BHSPitLappy | isn't MMC done with |
| 22:57:40 | BHSPitLappy | then again |
| 22:57:45 | BHSPitLappy | I have no idea what we're talking about |
| 22:58:12 | jnc | it would be, except that SD association membership is insane |
| 22:58:29 | * | petur looks if he can order a 2TB MMC :) |
| 22:58:42 | amiconn | No, not yet |
| 22:58:51 | amiconn | The largest ones are 4GB afaik |
| 22:58:52 | * | petur is pretty sure his devices won't take such a card :) |
| 22:58:53 | sharpe | i may try to hack something up to get an example working... |
| 22:59:00 | * | amiconn ordered a 4GB card today :) |
| 22:59:14 | BHSPitLappy | ok, so we ARE talking about MultiMedia Cards then? |
| 22:59:21 | amiconn | yeps |
| 22:59:22 | BHSPitLappy | I thought those were dead. |
| 22:59:27 | amiconn | Not at all |
| 22:59:27 | * | sharpe feels pressured to use /me... |
| 22:59:34 | BHSPitLappy | upped by SD |
| 22:59:48 | BHSPitLappy | thought my damned n-gage was the last thing to take those things ) |
| 22:59:53 | BHSPitLappy | :) |
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| 23:00:05 | amiconn | SD and MMC are very similar, but the MMC protocol is open (well, kinda) unlike the SD protocol |
| 23:00:32 | amiconn | And SD slots are almost always MMC compatible (but seldom vice versa) |
| 23:00:35 | jnc | MMC is an open alternative, despite SD being more capable |
| 23:00:37 | markun | There are to ways to solve this problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5330 |
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| 23:00:58 | markun | either add some glyphs to the default font or remove some chars from the default kbd layout |
| 23:01:12 | markun | The second one is easyer of course :) |
| 23:01:22 | amiconn | BHSPitLappy: It seems a number of newer nokia phones take MMCs, those capable of playing mp3 |
| 23:01:38 | BHSPitLappy | I've seen miniSD in phones |
| 23:01:49 | BHSPitLappy | SD being the successor to MMC... |
| 23:02:09 | markun | sharpe: ok |
| 23:02:34 | sharpe | oh, didn't realize anyone was paying attention |
| 23:02:36 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:02:41 | amiconn | SD isn't a successor, it's a (very similar) parallel development |
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| 23:03:49 | BHSPitLappy | since SD slots are back-compatible with MMC, but MMC slots don't read SD, I just assumed one was ahead of the other. |
| 23:04:06 | BHSPitLappy | I see it as calling the Game Boy A |
| 23:04:18 | BHSPitLappy | *Advance parallel to the Game Boy Color |
| 23:05:10 | jnc | it's more like you drive a piece of shit car, and someone offers you a brand new limo to drive you around, but you are required to pay $12,000 annual membership to a club |
| 23:05:23 | jnc | if it were me? i'd keep driving the piece of shit car. |
| 23:05:48 | markun | amiconn: do you also think all the glyphs of the default vkeyboard should be visible with the default font? |
| 23:06:17 | amiconn | markun: 1/4 1/2 and 3/4 are standard iso8859-1, so I wonder why they don't work with our default font... |
| 23:06:37 | jnc | SD would be an interesting way to hold albums though |
| 23:06:49 | jnc | in FLAC format, it could almost be reasonable |
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| 23:09:51 | amiconn | markun: These glyph positions are even defined in our default font, just the bitmaps are all-zero... |
| 23:10:45 | amiconn | Someone needs to fill in the bitmaps with a bdf capable font editor |
| 23:15:34 | markun | yes, that would be the best way to solve this bug |
| 23:16:08 | PaulJam | i could imagine it will be dificult to design the characters that they fit for the width and height of the default font. |
| 23:18:20 | amiconn | I know whom to ask... |
| 23:21:25 | XavierGr | does anyone know a command line untility that will cut x frames of an mp3? |
| 23:22:24 | sharpe | does 'shared code library' sound good for a name of something that is self-explanitory? |
| 23:23:07 | preglow | sharpe: why would we want anything like that? |
| 23:23:20 | sharpe | we don't, it's just an idea :) |
| 23:24:05 | sharpe | like a, 'see if i can do it' kind of thing. |
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| 23:28:44 | markun | Before I post something stupid.. wavpack works fine on ipod rockbox, right? |
| 23:30:18 | markun | any ipod owners here who tried wavpack? |
| 23:34:12 | amiconn | Hmm, is there a problem? |
| 23:34:20 | amiconn | I didn't try yet, but I could |
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| 23:36:02 | preglow | i have |
| 23:36:10 | markun | amiconn: there was a guy talking about q10 ogg transcoded from wavpack sources. He says space doesn't matter to him so I wanted to suggest him to stick with wavpack |
| 23:36:31 | preglow | wavpack works fine |
| 23:36:36 | markun | ok, thanks |
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| 23:40:13 | jnc | oggvorbis at q10? may as well use FLAC |
| 23:40:36 | jnc | there's a breaking point between oggvorbis q5 and q6, IIRC |
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| 23:41:13 | jnc | the filesize grows unusually, and for a mildly noticable increase in quality |
| 23:41:16 | markun | jnc: Why should he recode his wavpack files to flac? |
| 23:41:25 | jnc | what is wavpack |
| 23:41:30 | jnc | i've never heard of this |
| 23:41:31 | markun | lossless |
| 23:41:47 | jnc | FLAC is a standard lossless format that I know to be well tested and documented |
| 23:41:58 | jnc | but wavpack? ... |
| 23:42:11 | markun | Well, he has his CDs ripped in wavpack already.. |
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| 23:45:21 | * | jnc reads up on WavPack |
| 23:47:59 | jnc | interesting |
| 23:51:28 | dpassen1 | WavPack is very nice |
| 23:51:54 | jnc | it does seem worth further investigation |
| 23:51:56 | preglow | sure is |
| 23:52:08 | jnc | is WavPack patent encumbered? |
| 23:52:19 | preglow | no |
| 23:52:31 | preglow | i think it's based on fairly standard techniques, just like flac |
| 23:53:00 | amiconn | Hmm, wavpack boosts a lot on ipod |
| 23:53:24 | markun | amiconn: can you also try flac? |
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| 23:53:45 | jnc | what do y'all think of FLAC versus WavPack |
| 23:53:58 | preglow | amiconn: it depends on the file |
| 23:54:03 | preglow | amiconn: -h encoded files boost more |
| 23:54:08 | jnc | they seem similar enough to me. what have you used, and what are your thoughts? |
| 23:54:09 | preglow | flac is faster |
| 23:54:21 | dpassen1 | jnc: Depends what you're looking for. You can't go wrong, though |
| 23:54:32 | jnc | i'd like to archive my physical CD albums |
| 23:54:36 | jnc | exactly |
| 23:54:39 | preglow | jnc: both are nice, but wavpack has more interesting formats, if you ask me |
| 23:54:46 | preglow | and it compresses slightly better than flac |
| 23:54:53 | jnc | so that i can make a bit-for-bit identical CDR out of it, if i need to |
| 23:54:57 | dpassen1 | WavPack lossy + correction is still the most interesting feature to explore. |
| 23:54:58 | amiconn | preglow: Iirc I used -h when creating my test album. Likewise I used flac -8 (or whatever it was called) |
| 23:54:58 | preglow | jnc: s/formats/features/ |
| 23:55:37 | amiconn | Boost ratio is ~70%, higher than mp3 |
| 23:55:38 | jnc | hm |
| 23:56:24 | jnc | is there a case where FLAC works better |
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| 23:57:02 | scottder | jnc, you follwing a thread on HA? :) |
| 23:57:17 | jnc | i've read some threads there i think |
| 23:57:49 | jnc | my CD collection is currently ripped in an old beta of oggvorbis |
| 23:57:49 | scottder | Opps not HA....Head-Fi :) |
| 23:58:05 | dpassen1 | Here's a nice one on HA http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=43906 |
| 23:58:14 | jnc | i'd like to re-do this once, and not have to do the physical work more than just once |
| 23:58:17 | jnc | so it's gotta be accurate |
| 23:58:28 | preglow | yeah, i'm planning the same |
| 23:58:32 | preglow | i'm gonna rip to wavpack, i think |
| 23:58:57 | dpassen1 | As long as you pick an open codec, its guaranteed that your files will be playable in the future. |
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