| 00:06:25 | Cassandra | I think we have a problem on the master build server. |
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| 00:06:40 | Cassandra | The current H120 build zip file seems to be corrupt. |
| 00:06:41 | webguest08 | sup |
| 00:07:19 | Bagder | corrupt how? |
| 00:07:59 | goffa_ | its taking bribes |
| 00:08:11 | * | goffa_ dodges tomatos |
| 00:08:39 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:09:26 | Cassandra | As in the ZIP file structure is invalid. |
| 00:09:40 | Bagder | gosh |
| 00:09:51 | Cassandra | rbutil and 7zip both agree. |
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| 00:10:18 | Cassandra | I ran the build locally and it produces a valid zip file. |
| 00:11:35 | amiconn | Wow, the iriver line in is noisy |
| 00:12:13 | amiconn | If I push the gain up to +48dB, the peakmeter shows a pulsating signal while nothing is connected |
| 00:13:17 | Cassandra | I have a theory. The iRiver's connectors suck. |
| 00:14:32 | Cassandra | OK. I take it back bagder. The version I generated myself doesn't unpack properly under windows. |
| 00:14:33 | amiconn | It's more like the digital electronics producing noise |
| 00:15:55 | * | Cassandra wonders if it's the Linux zip/unzip that's buggy or the Windows implementation. |
| 00:16:12 | Cassandra | For all I know 7-zip and rbutil (wxWidgets) use the same implementation.. |
| 00:16:33 | Bagder | so in what way is it invalid? |
| 00:16:38 | Cassandra | Can someone else please try to unpack the H120 bleeding edge build on a Windows system. |
| 00:16:50 | obo | works okay in winrar |
| 00:16:57 | Cassandra | Bagder, the only message I get it that the files are corrupt. |
| 00:17:02 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:17:05 | * | Cassandra has a thought. |
| 00:17:53 | Cassandra | I think it may be my stupid f***ing Windows system having a full disk. |
| 00:17:58 | amiconn | Cassandra: Works ok in filzip as well |
| 00:18:44 | Mikachu | amiconn: i know they are, i was just hoping he would see the poitnlessness when there was actually an active op in the channel |
| 00:18:59 | Cassandra | I was slightly thrown by the fact that there was a similar report on the forums a few days ago. |
| 00:19:23 | amiconn | Windows should told about low disk space way before getting into trouble |
| 00:19:29 | amiconn | *should have |
| 00:19:42 | Cassandra | I turned it off. It warns way too early. |
| 00:19:58 | amiconn | Imho the default setting warns rather late |
| 00:20:09 | Mikachu | i think it warns too early too, but my experience is 4 years old |
| 00:20:27 | Cassandra | What's particularly stupid about it is that I wasn't even unpacking to that drive. |
| 00:20:31 | amiconn | Afaik it warns around 200ish MB |
| 00:20:36 | Cassandra | Must be writing temp files there. |
| 00:20:45 | amiconn | I consider everything below a gig dangerous |
| 00:20:47 | Cassandra | amiconn, I hadn't got there yet. |
| 00:21:43 | Cassandra | Or maybe that's a red herring. I'm still having the problem. |
| 00:23:52 | Cassandra | F**k |
| 00:24:10 | Cassandra | New theory is that it's a permissions problem with the WPS files in CVS> |
| 00:24:11 | sharpe | amiconn: i believe it warns when it's below 10% of the disk space... |
| 00:24:48 | midkay | no, no.. |
| 00:24:57 | Mikachu | it warns randomly on sundays |
| 00:25:00 | midkay | 10% of 160gb for me is 16gb, and it only warned when i reached like 500mb.. |
| 00:25:29 | sharpe | i don't really know. i only recall a setting for the warning level. |
| 00:25:29 | midkay | total disk size might contribute to the warning level a bit, but it's certainly not the only thing the warning is based on |
| 00:25:31 | Cassandra | Actually I think it's worse than that. |
| 00:25:42 | midkay | Cassandra, it very well could be.. |
| 00:26:27 | Cassandra | I think Rockbox may somehow be corrupting the FAT of the disk. |
| 00:26:44 | Cassandra | I can extract the files fine to my C drive. |
| 00:26:57 | jip | what's the inside of a helicopter called? |
| 00:27:02 | Cassandra | If I copy them to the iRiver, I now get "file is corrupt" messages. |
| 00:27:09 | Cassandra | Cockpit? Cabin? |
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| 00:27:50 | jip | cockpit... cabin.... isn't there another name for it? |
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| 00:30:27 | sharpe | "front of an airplane" ? |
| 00:32:58 | preglow | any of you bastards know of a nice accurate way to rip cds in linux? |
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| 00:33:20 | Bagder | cdparanoia |
| 00:33:27 | PaulJam | boot windows and use eac |
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| 00:33:32 | Cassandra | Yeah. Install Windows then use EAC |
| 00:33:57 | Bagder | I use grip with cdparanoia and lame |
| 00:34:00 | Cassandra | OK - interesting. The disk comes up error free in chkdsk. |
| 00:34:02 | preglow | Bagder: can cdparanoia disable read caches yet? |
| 00:34:11 | * | amiconn wants to be able to use grip :( |
| 00:34:17 | Bagder | preglow: I don't know |
| 00:34:25 | Bagder | never had any problem with it |
| 00:34:30 | preglow | cdparanoia is no point if you've got a read cache, they say |
| 00:34:32 | preglow | and i do |
| 00:34:39 | * | amiconn wonders why the debian people seem to handle bug reports the same way as the gcc people :( |
| 00:34:42 | preglow | Bagder: btw, we need more ops registered with chanserv in here |
| 00:34:43 | Bagder | and I've ripped several hundred CDs with it |
| 00:34:49 | Cassandra | I'm definitely getting "directory corrupt or unreadable" for 3 WPS dirs under Windows though. |
| 00:34:56 | Bagder | preglow: I agree, that's t0mas' area |
| 00:35:06 | preglow | t0mas: we need more ops registered with chanserv in here |
| 00:35:07 | amiconn | Cassandra: I recommend chkdsk |
| 00:35:14 | Cassandra | DancePuffDuo, marquee, and zezayer. |
| 00:35:19 | Cassandra | The others are fine. |
| 00:35:25 | Bagder | amiconn: that's because debian people are but package maintainers, not actual authors of the packages |
| 00:35:28 | preglow | Bagder: you know how to handle offset correction? |
| 00:35:42 | * | Cassandra points amicon to her comment re chkdsk above. |
| 00:36:02 | amiconn | Bagder: Since someone in here told me about grip, I'm trying to install it on my linux box |
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| 00:36:07 | Bagder | preglow: nope, I'm not very into its details since it has always just worked fine for me |
| 00:36:18 | preglow | yeah, it does work fine without offset correction |
| 00:36:30 | amiconn | There's a dependency bug that existed for months, is fixed for x86, but not for amd64 |
| 00:36:31 | preglow | just trying to pry out some details here, i want to rip all my cds this one time |
| 00:36:35 | Cassandra | Hmm. OK. Command line chkdsk does notice. |
| 00:36:36 | preglow | since it's boring |
| 00:36:52 | preglow | amiconn: testing? |
| 00:36:57 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:37:05 | preglow | dependency bugs in testing have a history of slow fixing |
| 00:37:11 | preglow | i recommend unstable |
| 00:37:24 | Bagder | I do too |
| 00:37:32 | preglow | it's not uncommon for the testing repo to be more broken than the unstable on |
| 00:37:33 | preglow | e |
| 00:37:33 | Bagder | even if it hits you in the face sometimes |
| 00:37:40 | amiconn | I was on unstable before, but switched to testing because of massive dependency problems... |
| 00:38:18 | amiconn | When updating, it often wanted to uninstall half of my gnome desktop... |
| 00:40:11 | * | amiconn retries |
| 00:40:46 | Cassandra | This is why I recommend Ubuntu over Debian |
| 00:40:57 | preglow | ubuntu is nice |
| 00:41:12 | preglow | i just wish they started bundling a kernel more suited to desktop usage |
| 00:43:05 | amiconn | Cassandra: I was unable to install ubuntu on this box |
| 00:43:10 | amiconn | The installer crashed at boot |
| 00:43:17 | Cassandra | Bummer. |
| 00:43:25 | amiconn | Too old a kernel |
| 00:44:22 | preglow | amiconn: tried disabling acpi? |
| 00:44:34 | amiconn | No, why? |
| 00:44:46 | amiconn | I'd rather want to keep that functionality |
| 00:44:51 | preglow | i mean when installing |
| 00:44:59 | preglow | that sometimes fixes bugs |
| 00:45:12 | preglow | i had a mate who fixed a kernel panic during install with disabling acpi in the install kernel |
| 00:45:20 | amiconn | I know what the bug is |
| 00:46:00 | amiconn | My bios has a bug that sometimes causes spurious apic interrupts (note: apic) |
| 00:46:11 | amiconn | Kernel 2.6.12 is known for crashing on that |
| 00:46:19 | amiconn | 2.6.15 handles it fine |
| 00:46:31 | preglow | ok, then use noapic in the kernel |
| 00:46:40 | preglow | when it boots |
| 00:47:22 | amiconn | I'll now stick with debian |
| 00:47:34 | preglow | besides, the new ubuntu probably has fixed it |
| 00:47:40 | amiconn | Re-doing all the raid configuration would be quite some work |
| 00:47:42 | Cassandra | OK, well there's a nasty bug. |
| 00:47:55 | Cassandra | Maybe this is what caused the original corruption. |
| 00:48:06 | Cassandra | I install Rockbox on the drive. |
| 00:48:13 | Cassandra | Remove the USB connector. |
| 00:48:23 | Cassandra | Get a "scanning disk" message on the USB screen. |
| 00:48:31 | Cassandra | and then the thing locks solid. |
| 00:49:29 | Cassandra | And I mean solid, as in reset button time. |
| 00:50:24 | PaulJam | when you ran chkdsk, did you let it check for bad sectors? |
| 00:50:26 | rob- | g |
| 00:50:43 | Cassandra | PaulJam, yeah. |
| 00:50:55 | Cassandra | GUI chkdsk didn't spot them but command line did. |
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| 00:52:59 | Moos | wow lots of ops now :) |
| 00:53:33 | Cassandra | PaulJam, thing is, I suspect Rockbox of having caused the original corruption. |
| 00:53:51 | Cassandra | Give there's been an identical report on the fora. |
| 00:54:04 | Mikachu | Moos: yes, be vewwy caweful |
| 00:54:21 | Moos | haha :) |
| 00:54:46 | * | Moos kick St Mikachu ;) |
| 00:54:53 | Moos | kicks even |
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| 00:56:10 | Moos | Bagder: around? |
| 00:56:16 | Bagder | barely |
| 00:56:19 | Moos | hi |
| 00:57:04 | Moos | just wanted to know if you already tested rec and radio patches for iaudios? I didn't yet |
| 00:57:18 | Bagder | nope. I've had very little time lately |
| 00:57:50 | Bagder | and tomorrow evening I'll take off for a week's vacation |
| 00:58:02 | Moos | lucky you :-) |
| 00:58:19 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:58:22 | sharpe | i've three hours to try to implement something else in the emulator... what? |
| 00:58:54 | sharpe | because apart from video and disk emulation, i can't think of anything. |
| 00:59:05 | Bagder | sound? |
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| 00:59:16 | sharpe | that goes with video and disk |
| 00:59:32 | Moos | sharpe: is your curent works somewhere? in case someone can help you |
| 00:59:43 | sharpe | Moos: nope. |
| 00:59:47 | Moos | ok |
| 00:59:53 | sharpe | :D |
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| 01:01:40 | XavierGr | sharpe: you should release a patch if the emulator is working |
| 01:01:52 | Moos | indeed |
| 01:02:13 | sharpe | XavierGr: i know... but not much works, other than the standard text mode and keyboard/joystick input |
| 01:02:16 | Moos | of course if you want make your code public ;) |
| 01:02:54 | Cassandra | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4188.0 |
| 01:04:18 | Cassandra | That's just a little too much of a coincidence for bitrot to be the cause. |
| 01:04:40 | obo | hmm, just compiled with HZ defined to 1000 - the button code gets a bit twitchy :) |
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| 01:06:56 | XavierGr | moos: what's the combo to exit a plugin in X5? |
| 01:07:41 | preglow | Cassandra: what else could it be? no major changes in that area has been done |
| 01:08:12 | goffa_ | XavierGr: its the power switch |
| 01:08:12 | Moos | XavierGr: no need combo, just the power switch button |
| 01:08:15 | goffa_ | hold it for 1 second |
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| 01:08:27 | goffa_ | but not 2 :) |
| 01:08:40 | Moos | hehe :) |
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| 01:08:44 | amiconn | ugh |
| 01:08:49 | XavierGr | it won't work on the sim |
| 01:08:50 | amiconn | Synaptic scared me.... |
| 01:08:59 | Cassandra | No-one's touched the disk drivers at all? What about dircache/tagcache changes? |
| 01:09:05 | XavierGr | I press enter (as the pic says) but it won't do anything |
| 01:09:15 | Mikachu | what's this one? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/fat.c.diff?r1=1.124&r2=1.125 |
| 01:09:25 | goffa_ | i don't know about the sim |
| 01:09:32 | Mikachu | (second from the top on the mainpage) |
| 01:10:00 | * | Moos never used sim for X5 yet |
| 01:11:28 | XavierGr | Bagder: Do you think it would be nice to change the zip filenames in CVS Builds to rockbox-"target".zip? |
| 01:11:54 | amiconn | craaaap |
| 01:11:58 | Bagder | yeah I guess |
| 01:12:04 | Cassandra | Nooooo. |
| 01:12:09 | JdGordon | morning all. |
| 01:12:14 | Bagder | but now I will sleep |
| 01:12:20 | amiconn | My x server doesn't like me anymore |
| 01:12:20 | JdGordon | your al keen :D isnt it like 2am in sweden? |
| 01:12:28 | Cassandra | Well, I suppose we could, but it'll break the installer again until I fix it. |
| 01:12:39 | pixelma | someone told me that the power switch button wasn't defined in the x5-sim - I was looking for it myself |
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| 01:12:43 | Moos | Bagder: nighty, and have good vacations |
| 01:12:52 | Cassandra | Only Badger is in Sweden. |
| 01:13:21 | Cassandra | And it'd be about 1am there, I think. |
| 01:13:24 | JdGordon | include europe into sweden and your all there.. (yes, uk included :p ) |
| 01:13:38 | Cassandra | It's just gone midnight here. |
| 01:13:53 | Moos | 1:13 for Paris too :) |
| 01:14:16 | XavierGr | it is rather late for me here, but I have a weird schedule! |
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| 01:16:14 | Cassandra | *sigh* I wanted to do more WPS work tonight, but this disk problem got me distracted. |
| 01:16:16 | | Join wubrgamer [0] (n=4421bec4@labb.contactor.se) |
| 01:16:20 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
| 01:16:23 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
| 01:16:48 | Cassandra | Is there an echo in here? |
| 01:16:52 | Cassandra | Echo in here? |
| 01:16:55 | Moos | probably |
| 01:16:58 | wubrgamer | sorry |
| 01:16:58 | Moos | probably |
| 01:17:02 | wubrgamer | i'm using a web client |
| 01:17:04 | Moos | :) |
| 01:17:10 | wubrgamer | it lagz and I didn't know |
| 01:17:10 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:17:15 | wubrgamer | anyway |
| 01:17:15 | wubrgamer | i've got a 5g black 30gig video ipod, how safe is rockbox for it? don't mean to bother but i AM in a little bit of a rush, and all i really nee |
| 01:17:15 | Cassandra | ;) No problem. |
| 01:17:20 | wubrgamer | to know |
| 01:17:28 | preglow | no units have been broken yet |
| 01:17:34 | Cassandra | If you're in a rush, don't install it. |
| 01:17:38 | preglow | and it's highly unlikely any ever will |
| 01:17:38 | Cassandra | Best to take your time. |
| 01:17:41 | wubrgamer | is whther or not i can remove rockbox ENTIRELY and put original ipod firmware on if i hate it |
| 01:17:46 | preglow | sure |
| 01:17:48 | wubrgamer | or if it goes funky on me |
| 01:17:52 | Cassandra | Yes. That's possible. |
| 01:17:55 | preglow | you can always just restore it |
| 01:17:56 | wubrgamer | i mean, i need somewhat of a gurantee |
| 01:18:01 | Cassandra | Just use the Apple restore utility. |
| 01:18:03 | preglow | you won't get that |
| 01:18:10 | Cassandra | We don't offer guarantees. |
| 01:18:16 | wubrgamer | not a legal iron-clad gurantee, just a general re-assurance |
| 01:18:22 | preglow | you already got it |
| 01:18:25 | wubrgamer | cool |
| 01:18:32 | preglow | you can always restore your ipod to its factory settings |
| 01:18:33 | wubrgamer | thanx........and one more thing |
| 01:18:36 | preglow | just use the apple restore utility |
| 01:18:38 | Cassandra | Except that we'll give you every penny back you paid us for Rockbox if you're not satisfied. |
| 01:18:44 | wubrgamer | alright |
| 01:18:48 | wubrgamer | *chuckle* |
| 01:18:56 | wubrgamer | i <# open source |
| 01:18:57 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:19:03 | wubrgamer | (yes # is a tech heart) |
| 01:19:03 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:19:27 | preglow | it looks like a hairy icecream from here |
| 01:19:51 | wubrgamer | anyway, how far along IS video ipod rockbox........i heard it was buggy, is there a stable version somewhere ? or should i just live with my crappy defaults for another year for you guys to catch up ? |
| 01:20:01 | preglow | it's perfectly usable |
| 01:20:03 | preglow | but not very polished |
| 01:21:03 | Cassandra | Skips sometimes, which can be annoying. |
| 01:21:09 | Cassandra | But I use it daily, |
| 01:21:16 | crashd | i use it daily also |
| 01:21:18 | wubrgamer | huh |
| 01:21:21 | wubrgamer | so umm |
| 01:21:25 | wubrgamer | what do you mean skips ? |
| 01:21:38 | Cassandra | Well, pauses'd be a better word I suppose. |
| 01:21:44 | wubrgamer | and is it relatively safe for my hardware ? am i going to have to worry about something frying ? |
| 01:21:47 | crashd | i never get skips on just playback, only when like, scrolling when finding something new |
| 01:21:50 | wubrgamer | (i'm very cautios) |
| 01:21:51 | midkay | stutters? lags? cuts out? pauses? |
| 01:21:53 | crashd | or using menus or whatever |
| 01:21:55 | wubrgamer | i pride myself in it |
| 01:21:59 | wubrgamer | alright |
| 01:22:01 | Cassandra | No-one has yet fried an iPod with Rockbox. |
| 01:22:01 | wubrgamer | not too bad |
| 01:22:05 | wubrgamer | coo |
| 01:22:08 | wubrgamer | *cool |
| 01:22:10 | crashd | it's good if you listen to music like a normal human being |
| 01:22:13 | wubrgamer | i h8 this keyboard |
| 01:22:18 | Cassandra | That doesn't mean you won't. Just that it seems unlikely. |
| 01:22:19 | crashd | but if you're one of these clicky clicky clicky people, you'll get annoyed quickly |
| 01:22:20 | wubrgamer | define normal |
| 01:22:20 | goffa_ | i've heard you get cooties when y switch back to the original firmware |
| 01:22:26 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:22:30 | wubrgamer | wait |
| 01:22:33 | wubrgamer | cooties ? |
| 01:22:35 | wubrgamer | like bugs ? |
| 01:22:36 | wubrgamer | what ? |
| 01:22:36 | midkay | Cassandra, well, there's the permanent disk mode.. |
| 01:22:37 | wubrgamer | ....... |
| 01:22:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK wubrgamer |
| 01:22:38 | wubrgamer | urgh |
| 01:22:41 | goffa_ | sarcasm |
| 01:22:43 | midkay | so basically you 'can't'.. |
| 01:22:48 | wubrgamer | can't wat ? |
| 01:22:49 | wubrgamer | argah |
| 01:22:51 | wubrgamer | sorry |
| 01:22:59 | midkay | if it does happen to die, it was just as likely as in the iPod firmware. |
| 01:23:11 | goffa_ | you know that disease you thought you might be contageous when you were in 2nd grade if you looked at a girl? |
| 01:23:14 | goffa_ | cooties |
| 01:23:42 | Cassandra | midkay, I don't like to say Rockbox could never do anything to damage your iPod, because I guarantee the moment you do, someone will find a way. |
| 01:23:52 | Cassandra | I'm happy to say that I don't believe it can though. |
| 01:23:54 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:23:55 | preglow | of course it can |
| 01:23:58 | wubrgamer | altight |
| 01:24:00 | wubrgamer | wait ? |
| 01:24:01 | preglow | it's technically possible, in a way |
| 01:24:02 | wubrgamer | what ? |
| 01:24:03 | midkay | Cassandra, i didn't say it couldn't. i said it logically shouldn't and there's no reason for it to.. |
| 01:24:06 | wubrgamer | urghh |
| 01:24:08 | wubrgamer | okay |
| 01:24:08 | wubrgamer | sure |
| 01:24:10 | wubrgamer | this works |
| 01:24:15 | wubrgamer | what do i need to install it ? |
| 01:24:18 | midkay | preglow, just wondering, what way are you talking about? |
| 01:24:19 | wubrgamer | links help |
| 01:24:20 | preglow | what os? |
| 01:24:38 | preglow | midkay: you can sleep the ipod via the pcf chip after having masked away all possible wakeup sources |
| 01:24:39 | wubrgamer | *sigh* MS for now |
| 01:24:50 | preglow | midkay: then you'd need to open the ipod and reset it, an ipodlinux guy managed that |
| 01:24:52 | wubrgamer | sleep the ipod after what ? |
| 01:24:58 | wubrgamer | urghah |
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| 01:24:59 | wubrgamer | what ? |
| 01:25:00 | preglow | wubrgamer: nothing you need to worry about |
| 01:25:04 | hlj | hi |
| 01:25:05 | wubrgamer | will i have to intentionally do that? |
| 01:25:05 | preglow | unless you're a coder |
| 01:25:10 | wubrgamer | thnx |
| 01:25:10 | midkay | preglow, ... but Rockbox doesn't have any code that does that. |
| 01:25:16 | wubrgamer | me = not coder |
| 01:25:17 | hlj | i have a black 4gb ipod nano |
| 01:25:22 | midkay | i'm not talking about it's impossible to kill it with code, i mean with like a daily build. |
| 01:25:30 | hlj | i dont know how to put videos on it |
| 01:25:30 | preglow | unlikely at best |
| 01:25:32 | midkay | sure, i could kill mine by setting the cpu freq to 1ghz, couldn't i? |
| 01:25:34 | preglow | hlj: you can't |
| 01:25:34 | hlj | can someone help me |
| 01:25:35 | hlj | plz |
| 01:25:40 | wubrgamer | which build should i install / |
| 01:25:41 | wubrgamer | ? |
| 01:25:47 | hlj | yes u can |
| 01:25:51 | preglow | ok |
| 01:25:52 | preglow | tell me how |
| 01:25:58 | hlj | i dont know |
| 01:26:05 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:26:08 | preglow | you seemed awfully certain for one that doesn't know |
| 01:26:12 | hlj | i have read in forums people put music videos onto it |
| 01:26:17 | preglow | not with rockbox |
| 01:26:25 | midkay | how about "google" for "nano video"? |
| 01:26:34 | hlj | k |
| 01:26:37 | wubrgamer | it's running ipodlinux guys |
| 01:26:39 | midkay | good job. |
| 01:26:49 | wubrgamer | and it's not suppored on anything beyond the 3g |
| 01:26:50 | wubrgamer | sorry |
| 01:27:02 | wubrgamer | you'll have to build and install stuff for ipod nano if you want video |
| 01:27:03 | wubrgamer | lol |
| 01:27:04 | hlj | i was also wondering if rockbox and ipodlinux are the only 2 os for the ipod |
| 01:27:18 | preglow | hlj: apart from apple's os, yes |
| 01:27:34 | hlj | wat do u mean? |
| 01:28:04 | wubrgamer | guys, once more, sorry which build should i use for umm, an ipod 5g 30gig ? black video ? |
| 01:28:44 | sharpe | the ipod video build.... |
| 01:28:48 | XavierGr | wubrgamer: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip |
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| 01:30:16 | Cassandra | Well there's something odd. I have never posted to the Rockbox forums between 4 and 5 PM. Weird. |
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| 01:38:25 | preglow | so many lines removed from recording.c HAS to be a good thing |
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| 01:39:14 | webguest00 | does anyone explain how to apply patches? |
| 01:39:43 | linuxstb_ | Try the WorkingWithPatches wiki page. |
| 01:39:52 | Moos | nighty all |
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| 01:40:15 | preglow | does all codecs support resuming now? |
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| 01:40:54 | webguest00 | has anyone ever applied a patch? |
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| 01:42:25 | webguest00 | to apply a patch do I need to compile my own version of rockbox or can i just apply it somehow? I am also looking into applying a WPS. I am new to rockbox |
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| 01:45:21 | amiconn | crap. |
| 01:45:22 | | Quit LordOfThePings ("getting some sleep.... back to rockbox on elio tomorrow") |
| 01:45:36 | amiconn | Could anybody tell me how to go back from unstable to testing? |
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| 01:46:01 | preglow | downgrading is not generally supported by debian |
| 01:46:18 | amiconn | I have no working x server right now... |
| 01:46:50 | preglow | what part of it stopped working? |
| 01:47:29 | amiconn | It doesn't start. Moans about some modules not available, and there's an error with and end-of-range being lower than the start |
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| 01:48:14 | preglow | what modules? |
| 01:48:25 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:48:25 | * | amiconn could make a lot of remarks about the "user-friendliness" of linux |
| 01:48:28 | amiconn | :/ |
| 01:48:45 | preglow | if you want user-friendly linux, you shouldn't use debian |
| 01:49:36 | preglow | anyway |
| 01:49:40 | preglow | there is a way to downgrade |
| 01:49:49 | preglow | it involved pinning and some other magic i've never bothered to learn |
| 01:49:56 | preglow | but you should be able to google it |
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| 01:50:34 | Galois | a part of me, though, tells me that one should not be surprised "unstable" breaks things |
| 01:50:38 | amiconn | (EE) end of block range 0x1fffffff < begin 0xe0000000 |
| 01:50:38 | amiconn | (EE) Failed to load module "evdev" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 01:50:38 | amiconn | (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 01:50:51 | preglow | hmm, riiight |
| 01:50:58 | amiconn | (EE) No Input driver matching `mouse' |
| 01:51:00 | preglow | there's a newer xorg in unstable, probably |
| 01:51:07 | preglow | and the newest xorg has been modularised |
| 01:51:16 | preglow | you might need to install additional components with apt |
| 01:51:26 | preglow | thought i don't know what they're called or why it hasn't already been done for you |
| 01:52:29 | amiconn | Fatal server error: |
| 01:52:29 | amiconn | failed to initialize core devices |
| 01:53:24 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/04/msg02059.html |
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| 01:54:19 | preglow | but okies |
| 01:54:20 | preglow | me night |
| 01:54:43 | XavierGr | what's exactly the PRE identifier on BUTTONS? |
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| 01:58:44 | dyce | i think my nano got bricked |
| 01:59:02 | XavierGr | I really doubt that, but shoot |
| 01:59:09 | XavierGr | what happened? |
| 01:59:17 | dyce | well i got everything working |
| 01:59:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: The 2 input packages are unavailable? |
| 01:59:33 | dyce | rockbox worked fine |
| 01:59:53 | amiconn | How the *** do they think I could install an unavailable package? |
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| 02:00:00 | dyce | i deleted everything in the ipod |
| 02:00:09 | dyce | except .rockbox and the rockbox file thing |
| 02:00:18 | * | amiconn is really annoyed now |
| 02:00:30 | dyce | so all 800mb in the music folder "ipod_control" |
| 02:00:39 | dyce | and i added a skin |
| 02:00:44 | dyce | i disconnected it |
| 02:00:51 | dyce | it said low on battery |
| 02:00:53 | dyce | and shut off |
| 02:01:11 | dyce | i put in usb to charge it and it doesnt do anything |
| 02:01:32 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 02:01:45 | XavierGr | any iPod guy here to help dyce? |
| 02:02:09 | XavierGr | dyce how long did you let the unit to charge? |
| 02:02:10 | linuxstb_ | dyce: Try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds until it reboots. |
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| 02:02:27 | dyce | its been charging for around 15mins now |
| 02:02:31 | XavierGr | amiconn: that's what happens when you play with linux kernels :P |
| 02:02:45 | dyce | woot |
| 02:02:46 | dyce | thanks |
| 02:03:03 | dyce | linuxstb i love you |
| 02:03:21 | linuxstb_ | The Rockbox manual should have "Don't panic - hold MENU+SELECT" in nice friendly writing on the front cover... |
| 02:04:21 | XavierGr | yes indeed :) |
| 02:04:50 | dyce | i tried it first, but i think it didnt have enough power |
| 02:05:07 | dyce | and i only held it for 2secs |
| 02:06:04 | dyce | is there a place to get more codecs? |
| 02:06:06 | Doomed | should i buy a lite-on dvd burner from newegg?...cuz the nec one i got from NE has been shit |
| 02:06:09 | XavierGr | zooming out on iaudio is cery difficult |
| 02:06:10 | dyce | i want to play retro sid tunes |
| 02:06:56 | XavierGr | you have to press and hold the select button, but doing that will end you zooming out too much (e.g if you want to zoom out once you have to be exact in your press) |
| 02:07:26 | XavierGr | linuxstb: is it the same for iPod (you hold a combo for zoom out)? |
| 02:07:30 | linuxstb_ | There is a patch for Sid files in the patch tracker - but you need to compile it yourself. But I expect it will be added to the official builds in a couple of weeks time. |
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| 02:08:01 | XavierGr | ah no it is not the same for iPods |
| 02:08:08 | linuxstb_ | XavierGr: If you're talking about the jpeg viewer, then no, it's the wheel. |
| 02:08:34 | XavierGr | who choose the iaudio keys for jpeg viewer? they seem very strange |
| 02:08:58 | XavierGr | I am about to fix a reported bug and I am not sure if it is good to keep current keymap |
| 02:09:16 | linuxstb_ | They were probably chosen quickly without much thought - if they are as bad as you say, I would expect a patch to change them would be accepted. |
| 02:09:46 | XavierGr | ah nice, then I will try to fix the bug and change the keymap. |
| 02:10:39 | XavierGr | also on a side note: |
| 02:12:51 | XavierGr | JPEG_ZOOM_IN_PRE is defined in jpeg.c (though it has a typo and it isn't recognised currently) and used in the code, JPEG_ZOOM_OUT_PRE isn't defined but it is used. Is this on purpose (I assume that they have the same behaviour but no target uses this) |
| 02:12:55 | dyce | does rockbox reduce on battery usage? |
| 02:13:15 | XavierGr | dyce: in iPod curretnly yes AFAIK |
| 02:13:42 | XavierGr | reduce battery usage = less batter, right? |
| 02:14:08 | dyce | ? |
| 02:14:34 | XavierGr | I mean currently rockbox eats more battery than the default firmware |
| 02:14:44 | XavierGr | sorry for my spelling |
| 02:14:51 | XavierGr | (and maybe grammar) |
| 02:14:52 | dyce | oh |
| 02:15:12 | dyce | is it possible to switch back to the apple firmware? |
| 02:15:21 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:15:22 | Doomed | check the wiki |
| 02:15:23 | dyce | without uninstall |
| 02:15:25 | dyce | ok |
| 02:15:31 | XavierGr | rockbox comes with a bootloader |
| 02:17:18 | sharpe | werd. people. |
| 02:17:23 | sharpe | werd. |
| 02:17:57 | XavierGr | also JPEG_TOGGLE_SLIDESHOW is not used anymore in jpeg.c. Button keymaps definitelly need cleaning |
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| 02:19:36 | dyce | bah i know it comes with a bootloader, but what is the command to tell it to goto apple firmware |
| 02:19:51 | * | dyce keeps searching the wiki |
| 02:20:15 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 02:20:32 | XavierGr | dyce I don't know but I am sure it is written on the wiki |
| 02:20:42 | XavierGr | ah there you go |
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| 02:22:55 | dyce | sweet, time to show off rockbox to some stupid nublets at school |
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| 02:26:17 | XavierGr | dyce: hehe, that's the spirit!!! |
| 02:27:38 | sharpe | hmm |
| 02:27:56 | Falco98 | gah, where's Jd |
| 02:28:04 | sharpe | i just had an idea. what if i only have it redraw the screen when there is a memory write/read? |
| 02:28:10 | Falco98 | anyone in here wanna help me debug some playlist.c code? |
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| 02:28:24 | Falco98 | it's too obfuscated (and my C too rusty) for me to understand well |
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| 02:33:44 | XavierGr | Falco98: hardeep is you man |
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| 02:38:57 | dyce | is it possible to organize the plugins, like put sokoban and doom to a games folder |
| 02:39:16 | midkay | dyce, not really at the moment, but i was thinking of trying something like this.. |
| 02:39:51 | sharpe | you'd just need to show folders when the plugin dir is viewed... i was looking at it a while ago... |
| 02:39:57 | midkay | similar to viewers.config - like plugins.config, which would specify plugin name and type (e.g. doom.rock,game) and then split up the browse plugins menu into all, games, demos, apps .. |
| 02:40:00 | sharpe | something along those lines... |
| 02:40:03 | midkay | sharpe, well, that's not via the menu. |
| 02:40:09 | sharpe | meh |
| 02:40:13 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:40:17 | midkay | :) |
| 02:40:35 | sharpe | i'll just get back to the emulator. |
| 02:40:47 | midkay | yes, you damn well will. |
| 02:40:51 | sharpe | heheh |
| 02:41:03 | sharpe | midkay, want to do the disk emulation? :D |
| 02:41:11 | midkay | omfg, i'd love to. :) |
| 02:41:20 | midkay | .. may-14th fools! |
| 02:41:21 | sharpe | and the video? |
| 02:41:24 | sharpe | :) |
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| 02:41:42 | dyce | do plugins have to be ran thru the plugins menu? |
| 02:41:52 | dyce | can i copy a .rock thing over to the main dir |
| 02:41:53 | midkay | no. |
| 02:41:59 | dyce | >:( |
| 02:42:04 | midkay | they go wherever you want them, but the menu only browses /.rockbox/rocks. |
| 02:42:08 | midkay | the no was to your first question. |
| 02:42:33 | dyce | oh |
| 02:42:36 | sharpe | of course you can run it thru the filebrowser... |
| 02:42:42 | dyce | yay |
| 02:42:54 | XavierGr | dyce: so yes you can start any plugin you want from wherever you need to |
| 02:43:09 | sharpe | woo for three different answers! |
| 02:43:14 | dyce | :D |
| 02:44:03 | * | amiconn finally got that darn linux to behave :/ |
| 02:44:05 | sharpe | should i have a menu with the saved states? or should i just have it save/load from a defined one? |
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| 02:44:19 | midkay | menu! |
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| 02:44:23 | * | midkay is away for a bit - l8rz. |
| 02:44:29 | sharpe | g'byes |
| 02:47:26 | sharpe | wow |
| 02:47:44 | sharpe | i had a function declaration inside another function... wonder how that happened... |
| 02:47:51 | XavierGr | I really don |
| 02:48:03 | XavierGr | 't get the _PRE thingy in jpeg.c |
| 02:49:18 | sharpe | can anyone think of a way i'd do scaling of the screen to fit smaller screens? that would be quick... |
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| 02:55:59 | Mikachu | sharpe: that's a hard problem, see rockboy and pacbox |
| 02:56:03 | Mikachu | good night |
| 02:56:31 | sharpe | g'night |
| 02:57:01 | dyce | how to quit doom? |
| 02:57:41 | sharpe | switch hold on to bring up the menu, then switch it off to control |
| 02:58:04 | dyce | ooo |
| 02:58:07 | dyce | thx |
| 02:58:18 | sharpe | welcome |
| 02:58:49 | Falco98 | XavierGr: sorry.. was away for a bit.. yeah i figure hardeep is the one to ask, but i feel bad for bugging him so much :-P |
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| 02:59:23 | XavierGr | well I don't know anything about playlist code so don't look at me :P |
| 02:59:49 | sharpe | wow, where was i getting 0x28 and 0x19 from? |
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| 03:03:02 | whatboutbob | amiconn: What impact does moving the gain stuff into the UDA driver have? Is it just a code clean-up? |
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| 03:10:36 | sharpe | well, i may have bitmap mode implemented |
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| 03:12:26 | pjo | Hello ! I just joined ! and got a question |
| 03:13:05 | pjo | iPodLinux is running, triple boot, can I install rockbox and boot rockbox or Linux ? |
| 03:13:19 | sharpe | it's possible... |
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| 03:13:48 | pjo | sharpe: Pls advise any pointer URL on this subject |
| 03:14:06 | sharpe | ah, let me try and look |
| 03:14:25 | sharpe | so you already have ipodlinux installed, and rockbox? or just one of them? |
| 03:16:23 | XavierGr | is there an ipod user here (with rockbox) that is willing to test a small change in jpeg.rock? |
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| 03:16:50 | pjo | only iPodLinux is installed |
| 03:17:07 | sharpe | okay well... you may be able to try http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 |
| 03:17:24 | pjo | and I am wondering how to install rockbox without damaging iPodLinux |
| 03:17:24 | sharpe | i really am not sure about triple booting, i only use rockbox... |
| 03:17:40 | pjo | sharpe: thanks |
| 03:17:49 | midkay | pjo, just unzip a daily build to your root. |
| 03:17:51 | sharpe | pjo: welcome, hope you can get it working |
| 03:17:57 | midkay | ipl loader 2.2 or 2.3 should detect it.. |
| 03:18:07 | midkay | Did For Me (tm) |
| 03:18:27 | sharpe | word. completely unhelpful comment(tm) |
| 03:19:25 | pjo | I am confused. WHen you say Loader can detect it, does it mean rockbox ? |
| 03:19:28 | sharpe | midkay, i may have the standard bitmap mode working |
| 03:20:44 | pjo | Do I install RockBox into FAT32 ? |
| 03:20:56 | sharpe | yes |
| 03:21:21 | pjo | after installation, can I boot Linux using Hold switch ? |
| 03:21:22 | midkay | sharpe, cool. |
| 03:21:25 | midkay | bbi 30-ish.. |
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| 03:22:13 | sharpe | pjo: i have no idea |
| 03:23:09 | linuxstb | pjo: Which ipod do you have, and do you know which version of the ipodlinux bootloader you installed? |
| 03:26:42 | pjo | it is Photo color 60g and ipodlinux is the latest from http://rapidshare.de/files/15548316/Installer.rar |
| 03:27:05 | pjo | I have not yet installed Loader2 |
| 03:27:37 | linuxstb | Rockbox needs either the Rockbox bootloader (which can also start linux), or Loader2. |
| 03:28:20 | pjo | Pls advise any pointer regardin Rockbox loader to be able to triple boot, Apple, Linux, Rockbox |
| 03:29:18 | pjo | I am reading Loader 2 wiki page but there is no mentioning to RockBox |
| 03:29:27 | sharpe | it's at the bottom |
| 03:29:45 | sharpe | i've got to make a call, i'm probably leaving after that. |
| 03:29:45 | * | linuxstb needs to go to bed. Goodnight all. |
| 03:29:54 | sharpe | g'night everyone |
| 03:30:37 | pjo | tahnks |
| 03:30:41 | sharpe | welcome |
| 03:33:42 | pjo | pls advise where nightly build of Loader can be found |
| 03:34:48 | sharpe | turns out i' not leaving. |
| 03:35:15 | sharpe | http://ipodlinux.org/images/3/31/Loader-2.3.zip |
| 03:35:39 | Falco98 | sharpe: how'd the call go tonight? |
| 03:36:14 | pjo | sharpe: Thanks |
| 03:36:15 | sharpe | they will call me backeth, shower. :D |
| 03:37:06 | sharpe | Falco98: i may have gotten the bitmap mode working in the video emulation for the c64 :D |
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| 03:37:42 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 03:38:07 | Falco98 | c64? |
| 03:38:10 | XavierGr | ok I will call it a day. |
| 03:38:12 | sharpe | c64 emulator :D |
| 03:38:24 | XavierGr | At least I managed to fix 2 small bugs |
| 03:38:53 | sharpe | turns out it's essentially the same code as textmode, but changed addresses to get the color/bitmap data... |
| 03:39:01 | Doomed | whoa what if i got a color screen and put it in the H120 |
| 03:39:12 | Falco98 | aha |
| 03:39:26 | sharpe | is the h120 black and white / grayscale? |
| 03:39:30 | Doomed | yes |
| 03:40:00 | sharpe | if you just solder the screen how the original was, i highly, highly doubt it would work. but that's just my idea |
| 03:41:40 | pjo | sharpe: pls advise how users can find the nightly page of Loader2 , not the direct link to the zip |
| 03:41:57 | sharpe | that's just the link i saw on the wiki for loader 2 |
| 03:42:08 | pjo | ok |
| 03:42:56 | pjo | because it cannot be found in images directory |
| 03:44:14 | sharpe | i don't think there's a nightly build of it |
| 03:47:04 | pjo | ok |
| 03:47:17 | sharpe | i could be wrong though, i don't know much about ipodlinux. |
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| 03:50:48 | sharpe | midkay: two minutes short of thirty minutes :D |
| 03:51:04 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:51:15 | midkay | i was already 2m into the fawlty towers episode i watched :) |
| 03:51:18 | midkay | seriously though. |
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| 03:54:20 | Jd|uni | hey hey! |
| 03:54:26 | midkay | jd! jd! |
| 03:55:03 | Jd|uni | how r we all today? |
| 03:55:22 | sharpe | bored and depressive, but slightly happy. :) |
| 03:57:25 | Falco98 | sharpe: u should look at my code then O:-) |
| 03:57:59 | sharpe | heheh |
| 03:59:18 | Jd|uni | any1 knwo the ssh command to enable x11 forwarding? |
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| 04:00:32 | scorche | Jd|uni: which ssh client? |
| 04:00:41 | Jd|uni | xterm :p |
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| 04:02:21 | scorche | should just be a -X option |
| 04:02:35 | scorche | note the capital |
| 04:02:39 | Jd|uni | cant open display :'( |
| 04:03:07 | scorche | try to open xclock |
| 04:03:20 | Jd|uni | cant open display |
| 04:03:38 | Jd|uni | im going through 2 ssh sevrers which might be the problem? |
| 04:03:48 | scorche | and you used the option? |
| 04:03:51 | scorche | possibly... |
| 04:03:55 | Jd|uni | yup, on both |
| 04:04:10 | Jd|uni | have to go through the uni server to get to the outisde workld :'( |
| 04:05:31 | Jd|uni | grr.. these damn comps dont have vnc |
| 04:06:13 | scorche | hrm... |
| 04:06:34 | scorche | you have your display environment var set? |
| 04:07:15 | Falco98 | damn, there's gotta be someone in here familiar with the playlist programming :-/ |
| 04:07:30 | Jd|uni | im getting familiar with it.. :'( |
| 04:08:11 | Falco98 | well.. i'm trying |
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| 04:11:36 | shriphani | i need help again people |
| 04:11:45 | Jd|uni | grr.. using the -X option doesnt set the env var... |
| 04:11:47 | Falco98 | join the club :) |
| 04:11:48 | Jd|uni | can i set it manuaklly? |
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| 04:12:16 | shriphani | bcoz the rockbox controls seem different to the original ipod cntrols |
| 04:12:32 | Falco98 | they are... |
| 04:12:34 | shriphani | is there a control manual that i can read ? |
| 04:12:46 | sharpe | they may be in the manual... |
| 04:12:47 | Jd|uni | rockbox.org/download i tihnk |
| 04:12:51 | Jd|uni | manuals for every target |
| 04:12:52 | shriphani | ok |
| 04:13:05 | shriphani | and yeah where can i get idoom ? |
| 04:13:07 | Falco98 | yeah the manual is linked right beside the download for the daily builds |
| 04:13:29 | sharpe | idoom is linux's version of doom i believe |
| 04:13:45 | shriphani | yeah but i got a doom plugin with rockbox |
| 04:13:50 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 04:13:52 | scorche | Jd|uni: ssh should automagically set the var on the remote system to the server |
| 04:13:58 | shriphani | and i got another question to ask too |
| 04:14:05 | sharpe | we've another answer? |
| 04:14:21 | Jd|uni | no.. we r all out of answers today |
| 04:14:23 | shriphani | how do i get videos to play o my rockbox ipod |
| 04:14:26 | Jd|uni | come again another day... |
| 04:14:28 | Jd|uni | u dont |
| 04:14:28 | sharpe | you don't |
| 04:14:38 | scorche | although, that could be where the problem lies with going through 2 servers |
| 04:14:52 | sharpe | you'd have to boot back into the apple firmware to play videos |
| 04:15:10 | scorche | errrr.... Jd|uni |
| 04:15:53 | shriphani | and how do i boot to the ipod firmware without getting rid of rockbox ? |
| 04:16:02 | sharpe | when you reboot, hold menu |
| 04:16:08 | scorche | shriphani: hold me....bah |
| 04:16:13 | sharpe | ahah! |
| 04:16:24 | sharpe | but holding scorche may work also. |
| 04:16:28 | scorche | =) |
| 04:16:37 | scorche | i feel lonely... |
| 04:16:51 | sharpe | welcome to the club. |
| 04:16:57 | scorche | and am pissed today because i was unable to go to a ministry concert |
| 04:17:09 | sharpe | is that a band? |
| 04:17:10 | shriphani | yay! |
| 04:17:13 | scorche | yes |
| 04:17:15 | sharpe | okay |
| 04:17:17 | sharpe | making sure. |
| 04:18:16 | shriphani | and yea how do i restart back in rockbox from my original apple firmware ? |
| 04:18:25 | sharpe | reboot |
| 04:18:33 | sharpe | select + menu :) |
| 04:18:55 | shriphani | ok u mean reset ? |
| 04:18:59 | shriphani | fine |
| 04:18:59 | sharpe | yes |
| 04:19:24 | shriphani | i am downloding the zipped browser |
| 04:19:28 | shriphani | manual sorry |
| 04:19:36 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:21:09 | scorche | Jd|uni: what was the ssh forward command line on the unix client? |
| 04:22:05 | * | scorche pokes Jd|uni |
| 04:22:07 | pjo | If anybody knows what to do if nickserv nick name password is lost |
| 04:22:38 | sharpe | try your best at guessing? |
| 04:23:32 | pjo | i tried to contact freenode staff but at support channel of freenode I cannot post message |
| 04:25:26 | pjo | i wanted to /join ipodlinux |
| 04:26:44 | | Quit pjo (Client Quit) |
| 04:28:26 | sharpe | he's in japan! |
| 04:28:42 | Falco98 | wow, never woulda been able to tell that.. |
| 04:28:52 | sharpe | ype. |
| 04:28:54 | sharpe | yep. |
| 04:28:59 | sharpe | proud of myself. |
| 04:29:18 | Falco98 | well i was referring to his sentence structure.. |
| 04:29:21 | sharpe | maybe i should implement a... debugger, and disassembler. |
| 04:29:37 | Falco98 | then again i would be proud to have skills in japanese equalling his grasp of english.. |
| 04:29:52 | sharpe | so in the middle of a program, you can switch to it and edit the memory. |
| 04:29:53 | Falco98 | sharpe: debug the random-folders patch O:-P |
| 04:30:01 | sharpe | lol... |
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| 04:30:13 | Falco98 | it's a simple bug! |
| 04:30:28 | sharpe | what's the bug? |
| 04:30:34 | Falco98 | just something little in the for() loop or something like that.. bad indexing.. something.. causes it to not work at all |
| 04:31:18 | Falco98 | well the patch is supposed to pick a rand() number somewhere between 1 and (size of existing playlist), go to that # in the playlist, and then search for the nearest folder / album boundary |
| 04:31:29 | Falco98 | (boundary is, in this case, just where the directory changes.. to be clear) |
| 04:31:43 | sharpe | ah... |
| 04:32:14 | Falco98 | and insert the 'current' folder at that boundary.. thus basically implementing "random albums" without having to have a listing of albums in advance, or having to put an array-index of boundaries on the stack |
| 04:32:36 | sharpe | mmhmm.. |
| 04:33:23 | Falco98 | but for some reason, now, when you perform the operation on a tree, all the folders therein are inserted nearly in perfect order.. which is generally not the desired result here ;-) |
| 04:33:33 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:35:21 | sharpe | i know i'm going to fail, so i won't even try :) |
| 04:35:36 | Falco98 | but since i'm a n00b and (as i keep saying) my C skills are rather rusty, i can't quite decipher the code well enough even to debug |
| 04:35:45 | Falco98 | aw |
| 04:35:46 | sharpe | :\ |
| 04:36:00 | Falco98 | well if you know playlist.c at all, you might be able to understand |
| 04:36:07 | sharpe | heh, nope. |
| 04:36:11 | Falco98 | ah ok |
| 04:36:28 | sharpe | i really don't know too many parts of the rockbox code offhand |
| 04:36:51 | sharpe | mostly just... plugin.c/.h and such |
| 04:37:04 | Falco98 | you could look at the patch O:-) |
| 04:37:14 | Falco98 | it's pretty simple by rockbox standards |
| 04:37:20 | sharpe | heheh |
| 04:37:35 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 04:40:14 | sharpe | ehh... |
| 04:41:04 | scorche | Jd|uni: get back here!...i wanna figure this out =P |
| 04:42:38 | sharpe | Falco98: so it just does the folders past the current one? |
| 04:42:59 | Jd|uni | soz, back |
| 04:43:07 | * | Jd|uni is in a prac and want to finish it... |
| 04:43:29 | Falco98 | yeah it basically stacks them in order.. except it kinda messes up the first 2 folders (does them backwards, and splits one in half for some reason, which is also wrong), but then lists every other folder completely in-order |
| 04:43:52 | sharpe | :\ |
| 04:43:58 | Falco98 | indeed |
| 04:44:19 | Falco98 | personally i can't even tell how the code detects folder boundaries, or steps forward |
| 04:44:34 | sharpe | neither do i? |
| 04:45:07 | Falco98 | ahh.. well i'm hoping / figuring that someone who knows a bit about RB code might make more sense of it ;-P |
| 04:45:13 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:47:36 | sharpe | yay music time |
| 04:47:56 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 04:48:04 | Falco98 | what does strncmp( ) do exactly? |
| 04:48:30 | dpassen1 | compare strings |
| 04:48:30 | sharpe | return zero if the two strings are equal |
| 04:48:51 | Falco98 | thx |
| 04:49:05 | sharpe | :D |
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| 04:50:10 | Falco98 | can it have 3 arguments? |
| 04:50:14 | sharpe | yes |
| 04:50:21 | sharpe | two strings, and the number of characters to compare |
| 04:50:34 | Jd|uni | any1 know a good way to insert 1 string into another without copying the 2 strings to another buffer and back again? |
| 04:50:56 | sharpe | if you want just compare the two strings, you can just use strcmp() i believe... |
| 04:51:04 | Falco98 | ahh thanx |
| 04:51:10 | sharpe | welcome |
| 04:51:46 | sharpe | Jd|uni: couldn't you like... have a pointer to where to place the second string in the first one, and just increment it each time? |
| 04:52:08 | Falco98 | damnit it would be surely easier to read his code if he'd use spaces between arguments :-P |
| 04:52:21 | sharpe | Falco98: haha :) |
| 04:52:31 | Falco98 | or does rockbox require that it not have spaces anywhere :-P |
| 04:52:48 | Falco98 | (strncmp(dir, pti.filename, strlen(dir))) is a bit easier to read than |
| 04:52:53 | Falco98 | (strncmp(dir,pti.filename,strlen(dir))) |
| 04:52:55 | sharpe | yep, it requires no spaces to be anywhere. the source should fit on one line. |
| 04:52:55 | * | Jd|uni hopes falco isnt talking about my code... |
| 04:53:02 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 04:53:13 | sharpe | unless you have wordwrap, of course. |
| 04:53:19 | Jd|uni | ... coz if he is ill stab him across the net :D |
| 04:53:20 | Falco98 | Jd: i don't think so.. |
| 04:53:29 | Falco98 | unless you're the same as JdGordon :-P |
| 04:53:41 | Falco98 | (same first 2 letters anyway) |
| 04:53:57 | sharpe | wouldn't that be funny? :D |
| 04:54:33 | Falco98 | with my luck it would be true :-P |
| 04:54:47 | sharpe | now that i look at my code, i'm not quite sure where i got the numbers for timing and such, but i know they work, so i'll leave them alone. i'm sure if i did the math i could figure them out again.. |
| 04:55:46 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 04:57:30 | sharpe | like this, while (rasrate > ((rcount * HZ * 25) / 7800)) |
| 04:59:06 | dpassen1 | seems like thats the reason for commenting |
| 04:59:18 | sharpe | really the only place i didn't comment :) |
| 04:59:27 | dpassen1 | hehe |
| 04:59:44 | Falco98 | sharpe: so what does this line do? "for (t=dir; *t; t++)" |
| 04:59:56 | sharpe | the hell? |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:16 | Falco98 | "dir" is a string containing.. i guess the path |
| 05:00:41 | sharpe | ah |
| 05:00:56 | sharpe | iterates thru each character, i suppose. |
| 05:01:00 | Falco98 | but i'm not sure what having "*t" signifies |
| 05:01:05 | sharpe | me neither |
| 05:01:16 | sharpe | ah |
| 05:01:17 | sharpe | i got it. |
| 05:01:21 | Falco98 | what.. |
| 05:01:22 | Falco98 | oh |
| 05:01:23 | dpassen1 | it turns,, a full filename into a path by iterating over the full filename |
| 05:01:26 | Falco98 | a pointer to the first character |
| 05:01:51 | sharpe | it will always evaluate to be true, as it's not zero. so when it hits the null at the end of the string, it will be false, so it will exit the loop. |
| 05:02:06 | Falco98 | oh |
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| 05:02:18 | Falco98 | and "e" will be set to the spot of the final / |
| 05:02:19 | sharpe | beause *t would be the actual character |
| 05:02:19 | Falco98 | ahhhhhh |
| 05:02:22 | Falco98 | that makes sense |
| 05:03:10 | Falco98 | so it sets "e" to the position of the last "/", after which would only be the filename |
| 05:03:26 | dpassen1 | right |
| 05:03:30 | Falco98 | then it sets "e" to null.. |
| 05:03:31 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 05:03:39 | Falco98 | shouldn't it set the character *after* "e" to null? |
| 05:04:18 | dyce | ipodlinux can play videos on nano right? |
| 05:04:25 | sharpe | i suppose |
| 05:04:40 | dyce | just it has to be uncompressed |
| 05:04:45 | sharpe | i've no idea. |
| 05:04:48 | * | Falco98 scratches his head.. wishes hardeep were here :-P |
| 05:05:22 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 05:05:31 | dyce | will videos be supported in the future?? |
| 05:05:31 | dpassen1 | It turns *e which is the last '/' character to null |
| 05:05:34 | dpassen1 | \0 |
| 05:05:44 | dpassen1 | So the string is null terminated at that point |
| 05:05:54 | dpassen1 | So the filename is removed, leaving the path |
| 05:06:00 | Falco98 | oh you're right |
| 05:06:09 | Falco98 | for some reason i was thinking we want to retain the last "/" |
| 05:06:18 | sharpe | gosh. how could you?! |
| 05:06:34 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:06:50 | dpassen1 | If we're comparing paths, it probably doesn't matter as long as its consistent. |
| 05:06:55 | Falco98 | dpassen1: are you looking at the patch by any chance? i'm thinking that the bug in here should be easy to spot... |
| 05:07:01 | Falco98 | agreed |
| 05:07:51 | dpassen1 | I am now, I've been looking to get into Rockbox programming but I can't claim knowledge of playlist.h/.c or anything. |
| 05:08:18 | dpassen1 | As soon as my semester is over, I will. |
| 05:08:24 | Falco98 | fair enough.. but really all you need is (hopeffully better knowledge of C than me) :-P |
| 05:08:29 | dpassen1 | But if you could explain the problem? |
| 05:08:31 | sharpe | i think i'm going to be going |
| 05:08:32 | Jd|uni | falco: u need to drop the last / because when u go into a new file it wont have a / if its a dir |
| 05:08:34 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 05:08:38 | Jd|uni | thats artificially addded.. |
| 05:08:43 | sharpe | goodnight everyone, i'll be back tomorrow. |
| 05:08:48 | Jd|uni | nn |
| 05:08:51 | Falco98 | aight.. thanx for ur help |
| 05:09:20 | sharpe | night. |
| 05:09:32 | Falco98 | dpassen1: basically this patch is supposed to recurse thru the directory tree and add whole folders at random spots in the existing p/l, but only at directory boundaries |
| 05:09:44 | Falco98 | (to recap) |
| 05:10:03 | Falco98 | instead, it's messing up the first 2 folders, and then inserting everything else perfectly in-order |
| 05:10:40 | dyce | what program compiles .diff files? |
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| 05:13:12 | ze | dyce: .diff files are patches |
| 05:13:26 | Falco98 | dyce: maybe someone else can give you better info, but i think you need to use the "patch" command to integrate the files with the source before compilation |
| 05:13:27 | ze | i think there's an FAQ about it |
| 05:13:36 | ze | exactly |
| 05:14:11 | Falco98 | try finding the "introduction to compilation" wiki, it has some info there about applying patches, etc.. |
| 05:15:03 | Falco98 | dpassen1: i'm suspicious about something here... |
| 05:15:19 | Falco98 | the "else if" after the "if ( !*dir )" block... |
| 05:15:32 | Falco98 | for some reason i don't think that should be an "ELSE" if... |
| 05:16:32 | Falco98 | cuz (someone correct me if i'm wrong), that seems like the crucial block for actually telling the function where to insert stuff.. and it would NEVER be entered as long as it's going thru valid directories |
| 05:17:31 | ze | Falco98: !*dir means its a valid directory? |
| 05:17:36 | ze | Falco98: as in *dir being false? |
| 05:17:42 | ze | or null |
| 05:18:14 | lostlogic | hardeep: last commit's a hack, perhaps the code that buffers tracks should not ever set playlist_end, but rather it should be the track skipping code's job? It's fine for now, but is not correct. |
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| 05:18:44 | Falco98 | ze: i'm not sure.. that's how it seems to me |
| 05:19:24 | dpassen1 | Falco98: To me, it looks like that would be hit the first time |
| 05:19:38 | Falco98 | which one |
| 05:19:49 | dpassen1 | in line 118 of the patch, dir[0] = '\0'; |
| 05:20:01 | dpassen1 | then the first iteration of the loop |
| 05:20:07 | ze | Falco98: i'm just guessing here, but if a directory is valid and thus whatever opens it or whatever succeeds, wouldn't *dir become a pointer to the directory and thus be non-null? which means if its null (and thereby !*dir is true), that means the directory is not valid? |
| 05:20:41 | ze | i've got no context, it could be something else entirely, thats just my uneducated guess heh |
| 05:21:02 | Falco98 | ze: if you're right, then i think i may still be somewhat right.. because the block containing the code that removes the filename to get "just the path" is inside the "if (!*dir)" block |
| 05:21:14 | Falco98 | ze: check out the patch? |
| 05:21:25 | Falco98 | i'm focusing around line 130 |
| 05:21:29 | ze | hmm |
| 05:21:47 | Falco98 | dpassen1: if it only hits the first time, don't you think that may not be doing what it's intended to? |
| 05:22:04 | dpassen1 | Yes, I'm just trying to understand it a bit better before I say something incorrect |
| 05:22:14 | dpassen1 | Which may of course have already happened |
| 05:22:17 | dpassen1 | ;-) |
| 05:22:26 | ze | Falco98: it might make sense to get just the path if its trying to see the path + file as a directory? |
| 05:22:47 | ze | and thus fails and takes that as a measure in response to the failure? heh |
| 05:22:49 | ze | i dunno |
| 05:22:54 | ze | where's this patch? |
| 05:22:56 | Falco98 | oh i might be wrong |
| 05:23:02 | Falco98 | here: |
| 05:23:03 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 05:23:09 | Falco98 | i'm only now starting to understand |
| 05:23:13 | Falco98 | but i don't quite see the bug yet |
| 05:23:28 | Falco98 | (get the last patch posted at the bottom) |
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| 05:28:04 | ze | ok so *dir starts off null, and thus !*dir will always be true for i=0, and thereby the else if will not be hit for i=0 |
| 05:28:27 | dpassen1 | As is my understanding, as well |
| 05:28:49 | ze | then in i=0, dir gets set to the path minus the filename |
| 05:29:06 | ze | so for i=>0, !*dir should no longer be true, and thus the else should be hit |
| 05:29:15 | ze | and then its a matter of the if after the else being true or not |
| 05:30:12 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 05:30:39 | Falco98 | well for some reason it is most definitely not doing as intended.. |
| 05:30:46 | ze | thats assuming that the code within the if !*dir is correct and actually removes the filename from the path and sets dir correctly to the path |
| 05:30:49 | dpassen1 | which is oddly comparing the filename of the playlist track info to the dir as set back in the i=0 case |
| 05:30:51 | Falco98 | however it does end up recursing through the whole tree and inserting everything |
| 05:32:01 | Falco98 | ohh |
| 05:32:13 | Falco98 | dpassen1 you might have a point.. lemme find what you're talking about |
| 05:32:36 | ze | hmm |
| 05:32:44 | ze | but its only doing it for the length of dir |
| 05:32:54 | ze | and if dir is only as long as the full path minus the filename |
| 05:33:04 | ze | then that number of chars of the full path should match with dir |
| 05:33:24 | ze | but |
| 05:33:29 | ze | *e=dir+strlen(dir) |
| 05:33:49 | ze | and dir at that point has its zeroth element set to null, thus it has no length yet |
| 05:34:05 | ze | or hmm |
| 05:34:08 | ze | wait nm |
| 05:34:26 | ze | e should get incremented later in that block |
| 05:35:19 | dpassen1 | This also seems like if you have two folders one called foo and another foo (remix) they will be compared only up to the 3rd character. |
| 05:35:49 | ze | hmm |
| 05:36:00 | ze | if foo is the one in dir, then yeah it souns like it |
| 05:36:02 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 05:36:03 | dpassen1 | That wouldn't explain the current issues, but it would lead to odd behavior |
| 05:36:30 | Falco98 | i guess that's why everything in a common superDIR are inserted together... |
| 05:37:16 | ze | am i missing something, what's e actually doing? |
| 05:37:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:37:38 | ze | it gets set... then it gets set some more.. and finally gets set again |
| 05:38:02 | dpassen1 | e takes the address of the last '/' in the filename |
| 05:38:08 | dpassen1 | so as to null terminate at that address |
| 05:38:13 | Falco98 | maybe that's why i figured the final "/" should be retained in the path string |
| 05:38:20 | ze | oh |
| 05:38:26 | Falco98 | because then there would be no ambiguity between "foo" and "foo 2" |
| 05:38:51 | ze | i was never very good at understanding pointers :p |
| 05:39:07 | Falco98 | same here ze |
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| 05:39:13 | ze | just when i think i get it, my code doesn't work |
| 05:39:14 | ze | heh |
| 05:40:27 | ze | so with *blah and blah, which is the address and which is the memory at that address? |
| 05:40:39 | Falco98 | *blah is the address |
| 05:40:42 | dpassen1 | blah is address, *blah has been dereferenced |
| 05:40:48 | ze | heh |
| 05:40:49 | Falco98 | gah |
| 05:41:03 | dpassen1 | Ok, when declaring |
| 05:41:15 | dpassen1 | type * var declared a pointer |
| 05:41:20 | dpassen1 | But during usage |
| 05:41:29 | ze | hmm |
| 05:41:30 | ze | so |
| 05:41:32 | dpassen1 | var would be an address, *var would be the data pointed to |
| 05:41:39 | ze | when *e= stuff, is that setting the address to stuff? |
| 05:41:57 | dpassen1 | *e = '\0' sets the character at address e to '\0' |
| 05:42:17 | ze | oh ok |
| 05:42:24 | ze | oh right |
| 05:42:30 | ze | but char *e=stuff is setting the address |
| 05:42:43 | ze | while later, *e=stuff is setting the character at the address of e |
| 05:43:00 | dpassen1 | are you looking at line 132? |
| 05:43:20 | ze | yeah and around there |
| 05:43:27 | ze | whats up with the double ;'s btw? :p |
| 05:43:32 | Falco98 | i am too.. i don't quite understand |
| 05:43:38 | dpassen1 | Yeah, that's just a typo |
| 05:43:40 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:43:44 | Falco98 | does that affect anything? |
| 05:43:58 | dpassen1 | nothing semantically, just adds a null statement |
| 05:44:09 | Falco98 | k |
| 05:44:45 | dpassen1 | but line 132 declares two char pointers, t and e. e is then set to the address of the end of dir |
| 05:45:06 | hardeep | i haven't looked at it too closely but, just based on all this discussion, i'd recommend changing the code that gets the dir name to something simpler |
| 05:45:12 | hardeep | see tree.c:set_current_file() as an example |
| 05:45:22 | ze | if dir is a null string, doesn't that make strlen(dir) 0? |
| 05:45:36 | hardeep | it extracts the dir from the filename using strrchr() |
| 05:46:05 | dpassen1 | I'm sure there's lots in this patch that could be done easier and better and more in line with Rockbox standards. |
| 05:46:46 | hardeep | making this change would save a couple pages of discussion though... =) |
| 05:47:03 | Falco98 | haha |
| 05:47:08 | dpassen1 | Yes, I'm looking at tree.c now |
| 05:47:18 | ze | hardeep: well i'm also polluting the discussion with my own learning :p |
| 05:47:30 | dpassen1 | As we all are |
| 05:47:46 | Falco98 | same here |
| 05:48:01 | * | Falco98 is probably the oldest one here too.. |
| 05:48:05 | ze | for all we know so far, none of this has anything to do with the bug |
| 05:48:15 | Falco98 | ze: i have a strong feeling |
| 05:48:27 | dpassen1 | But clearly, the patch has issues beyond the 'bug' |
| 05:48:46 | Falco98 | dp: his old version of the patch worked perfectly, but was way too intensive |
| 05:48:58 | dpassen1 | Which version? |
| 05:49:03 | dpassen1 | Maybe I can compare the two |
| 05:49:14 | Falco98 | it did the insertions a whole different way |
| 05:50:02 | Falco98 | basically it did a scan of the whole tree and made a list of possible insertions, then picked them at random (i think) |
| 05:50:06 | Falco98 | inserting them in order |
| 05:50:30 | dpassen1 | I'll be back tomorrow, I'll give a stronger look then if still necessary. |
| 05:50:54 | Falco98 | in the second version, it was to make an array containing track-lengths of all the folders, then use that to find insertion points |
| 05:51:07 | Falco98 | dp: thanks.. it probably will, but we'll see :) |
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| 05:53:36 | holotone | Howdy ya'll..! |
| 05:53:43 | Falco98 | yo |
| 05:53:47 | holotone | Just a quick check in to see if RB 3.0 was still going "live" today? |
| 05:54:01 | holotone | I hadn't heard any updates at rockbox.org or at misticriver.net |
| 05:54:52 | Falco98 | hmm.. good question |
| 05:55:07 | Falco98 | i haven't heard too much definitive news on the matter in a while |
| 05:55:12 | Falco98 | (a few days, anyway) |
| 05:55:44 | holotone | I'm in no rush, I was just curious - The folks at misticriver have been speculating over the last few days, so I figured I'd just come to the source and check it out. |
| 05:57:48 | Jd|uni | HOLOTONE: I THINK AT LEAST ANOTHER WEEK.... |
| 05:57:51 | Jd|uni | crap, soz caps |
| 05:57:57 | Jd|uni | falco: what timezone u in? |
| 05:58:05 | holotone | Yeah, that's kind of the impression that I had |
| 05:58:18 | Jd|uni | and btw.. falco, Jdgordon is me... |
| 05:58:30 | * | scorche gasps |
| 05:58:32 | holotone | Well, either way, keep up the awesome work! |
| 05:58:56 | holotone | thanks again, guys.... |
| 05:59:22 | Falco98 | Jd: eastern US |
| 05:59:37 | Jd|uni | so ur about 19 hours behind me or something? |
| 05:59:37 | Falco98 | ahh hey jd |
| 05:59:41 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 05:59:47 | Falco98 | so it's about midnight here |
| 05:59:53 | qwm | morning here. |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:03 | Falco98 | didn't mean any disrespect, i've just been trying to debug :-/ |
| 06:00:08 | Jd|uni | 12 hours behind.. its just turned 2pm |
| 06:00:17 | Jd|uni | no prob :D |
| 06:01:19 | Falco98 | 12 hours behind would make it 2 am here :-P |
| 06:01:28 | Falco98 | and right now it's just midnight |
| 06:01:38 | Falco98 | so.. either 14h behind or 8h ahead |
| 06:01:38 | Jd|uni | 14hours then |
| 06:01:46 | Falco98 | cool |
| 06:01:56 | Jd|uni | cant be ahead.. its monday here already :p |
| 06:02:04 | Falco98 | hehe ok |
| 06:02:09 | Falco98 | well i never remember that stuff very well |
| 06:02:16 | Falco98 | ok well i'm starting to understand ur code.. |
| 06:02:31 | Falco98 | did u see what hardeep suggested about stripping dir / filename? |
| 06:02:32 | Jd|uni | oh good :D |
| 06:02:38 | Jd|uni | no |
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| 06:03:19 | Falco98 | only a screen or so back |
| 06:04:03 | Falco98 | and a little earlier we came up with an example that breaks your directory compare |
| 06:04:30 | Falco98 | if the two folders are "foo" and "foo (remix)", it will think they're the same |
| 06:04:38 | Falco98 | if "foo" == DIR |
| 06:05:10 | Falco98 | since it does strcmp( foo, foo (remix), strlen(foo) ) |
| 06:05:40 | Falco98 | (which may be a good case for leaving the "/" at the end of the dir after you get the filenames off) |
| 06:06:11 | qwm | ruuuuuTH. |
| 06:06:34 | ze | Falco98: if leaving the / doesn't interfere with things referencing the directory... |
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| 06:07:10 | Falco98 | ze: the string we're talking about is referenced only in this function, only in the comparison operations... |
| 06:07:21 | ze | Falco98: oh ok |
| 06:07:36 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: on line 146, what is the last "%c" for? |
| 06:07:38 | ze | so then just e = t; to e = t+1; would fix that wouldn't it? |
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| 06:08:21 | Falco98 | ze: that's what i suspect |
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| 06:10:44 | Falco98 | JD, still around? |
| 06:11:00 | ze | % is modulus isn't it? |
| 06:11:05 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 06:11:09 | ze | something to do with the remainder in a division? i forget |
| 06:11:18 | Falco98 | i can't figure out what that %c is intended to do tho.. |
| 06:11:53 | Falco98 | at that point "c" is the length of the playlist |
| 06:12:13 | ze | length of the playlist, or length of what remains of it, it looks like |
| 06:12:20 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 06:12:23 | Falco98 | either / or |
| 06:12:34 | Jd|uni | the idea is that it gets added only after the curent spot in the playlist |
| 06:12:37 | Falco98 | it's the "remainder" iff we're talking about an already-going deal |
| 06:12:55 | Falco98 | my question is (on line 146) what is the " % c " for? |
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| 06:13:16 | Falco98 | "r = (r + direction)" seems like it should work fine |
| 06:13:28 | midkay | how about just r += direction?! |
| 06:13:40 | ze | heh |
| 06:13:49 | scorche | nerds |
| 06:13:59 | Falco98 | midkay: (agreed) |
| 06:13:59 | midkay | thanks. |
| 06:14:15 | scorche | =D |
| 06:14:19 | midkay | Falco98, (you suffer from) (parenthases) (((overuse))) (.) |
| 06:14:21 | midkay | :) |
| 06:14:30 | Falco98 | is that a script? |
| 06:14:37 | ze | heh |
| 06:14:58 | * | Jd|uni likes brackets... |
| 06:15:04 | Falco98 | [ya] |
| 06:15:06 | Jd|uni | falco past ethe line ur asking about |
| 06:15:10 | midkay | brackets are pretty cool. |
| 06:15:16 | scorche | {these are better} |
| 06:15:17 | Falco98 | r = (r + direction)%c; |
| 06:15:22 | midkay | {these SUCK} |
| 06:15:27 | midkay | [these are pretty cool] |
| 06:15:30 | Falco98 | i don't think the %c works |
| 06:15:35 | scorche | {YOU SUCK} |
| 06:15:37 | scott666 | <the one true bracket> |
| 06:15:39 | Jd|uni | ok, past the whole function to pastebin.com |
| 06:15:50 | Falco98 | what's pastebin.com ? |
| 06:16:08 | midkay | {go to hell} |
| 06:16:18 | ze | Falco98: a place to paste |
| 06:16:23 | scorche | {<3} |
| 06:16:26 | midkay | Falco98, try visiting it :) |
| 06:16:33 | midkay | scorchie. |
| 06:16:37 | midkay | sharpie. |
| 06:16:39 | midkay | zie. |
| 06:16:51 | scorche | where did that i come from? |
| 06:17:09 | midkay | up your face and around the corner. |
| 06:17:22 | Falco98 | http://pastebin.com/718070 |
| 06:17:35 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: line 20 there... |
| 06:17:46 | scorche | i am rubber and midkay is glue...whatever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you! |
| 06:18:08 | midkay | well, not whatever 'you' says. i'm the glue, not 'you'. |
| 06:18:21 | scott666 | you chagned tenses mid-sentence.. |
| 06:18:22 | midkay | whatever 'you' says bounces off of you and sticks to me, you mean. |
| 06:18:41 | * | scorche boggles |
| 06:18:51 | * | Falco98 rolls his eyes |
| 06:18:56 | scott666 | "sticks to him" not "sticks to you" |
| 06:18:57 | Jd|uni | that is so we dont go start checking at the begining of the list again |
| 06:19:01 | scott666 | but then it doesnt ryhme |
| 06:19:06 | Jd|uni | i.e before the current spot in the playlist |
| 06:20:06 | Falco98 | not sure i understand... |
| 06:20:07 | scorche | Jd|uni: ever get your problem figured out? |
| 06:20:57 | Falco98 | won't that artificially change the value of "r" to something we don't want? |
| 06:21:42 | Jd|uni | yes.. there should be a r+=_something_... |
| 06:21:54 | Jd|uni | scorce: which rpoblem in particular? |
| 06:22:01 | Jd|uni | im still in the prac if thats what u mean |
| 06:22:18 | Falco98 | i think it would be better just to do r += direction, and then check for special cases individually after that |
| 06:22:31 | Jd|uni | try it and find out.. |
| 06:22:37 | scorche | Jd|uni: not being able to tunnel x11 |
| 06:27:22 | Jd|uni | no, im not worried... i needed it to debug that rockbox code falco is workliong on.. but this prac is taking all my time |
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| 06:28:36 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: why not just check (after doing r += direction) whether r >= i ? |
| 06:28:51 | Falco98 | "if r >= i, p = i, break" |
| 06:29:07 | Jd|uni | coz i was coding it when i was half asleep... |
| 06:29:28 | Jd|uni | not i.. i is not the index |
| 06:29:37 | Jd|uni | i is the count of how many tracks we have looked at |
| 06:30:49 | Falco98 | ah whoops.. i need something for "playlist_amount" |
| 06:31:02 | Falco98 | i'd use C except C is messed-with in the special cases |
| 06:31:50 | Jd|uni | count.. ? |
| 06:32:41 | Falco98 | eh? |
| 06:33:03 | Jd|uni | for the variable name... |
| 06:33:40 | Falco98 | ah |
| 06:33:44 | Falco98 | so add a new one? |
| 06:34:40 | Jd|uni | if u want... |
| 06:35:15 | Falco98 | or just call playlist_amount() again.. |
| 06:35:53 | Jd|uni | can u paste the whole add_directory_to_playlist function plz? i wanna get a better look at it all |
| 06:36:00 | Falco98 | ah dang i guess i can't add lines to the .patch file heh |
| 06:36:25 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 06:36:37 | Falco98 | i guess i need to open playlist.c then :-P |
| 06:36:54 | Jd|uni | u can add to the patch.. but u need to fiddle with numbers |
| 06:37:45 | Jd|uni | ok, i got the file open |
| 06:37:54 | Falco98 | http://pastebin.com/718096 |
| 06:41:08 | Jd|uni | woohooo |
| 06:41:10 | Jd|uni | im going home |
| 06:41:14 | Jd|uni | u gonna be around in 30min? |
| 06:41:59 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 06:42:09 | Falco98 | or, should be |
| 06:42:45 | Jd|uni | ok, so we'll chat when i get home |
| 06:42:50 | Falco98 | cool |
| 06:42:59 | Jd|uni | btw, shoudli bother with ccna cerification in my course (softwware eng) ? |
| 06:43:17 | Falco98 | dunno.. you could, wouldn't hurt |
| 06:43:31 | Jd|uni | thats what i rekon.. specially if the govnt is paying :D |
| 06:43:35 | Jd|uni | bbs |
| 06:43:35 | Falco98 | some companies like seeing those certs, tho maybe not if ur strictly a software dev |
| 06:43:40 | Falco98 | k |
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| 06:58:05 | dongs | anyoen got a quickref to arm asm? |
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| 07:00:30 | scorche | i do |
| 07:00:42 | scorche | www.google.com |
| 07:00:43 | scorche | =D |
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| 07:07:51 | Falco98 | hmm |
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| 07:11:48 | JdGordon | hey |
| 07:11:49 | Falco98 | yo |
| 07:11:56 | Falco98 | i've done some work.. a little... |
| 07:11:59 | JdGordon | miss me? :p |
| 07:12:35 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 07:12:36 | Falco98 | http://pastebin.com/718128 |
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| 07:14:03 | Falco98 | so where were you before? |
| 07:14:20 | JdGordon | at uni |
| 07:14:29 | JdGordon | hence the |uni part of my nick :p |
| 07:14:40 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 07:15:01 | Falco98 | ok i made one notable change: |
| 07:15:24 | Falco98 | i changed it so if we're adding folders to an already-going playlist, the coin flip is always "up" |
| 07:15:24 | JdGordon | i see... does it work? |
| 07:15:40 | Falco98 | u mean compile? or work perfectly? |
| 07:15:45 | JdGordon | u dont want that tho... |
| 07:15:45 | Falco98 | i dont know either quite yet :-P |
| 07:15:50 | JdGordon | both.. |
| 07:16:21 | Falco98 | for some reason i'm not sure whether i've found the real bug yet... |
| 07:16:32 | JdGordon | why cant direction be negative if we r inserting into an exsiting pl? |
| 07:17:04 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 07:17:07 | Falco98 | umm |
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| 07:17:35 | Falco98 | the only reason for direction to be negative in the first place was so that we could have stuff inserted at the *beginning*, keep in mind |
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| 07:17:45 | Falco98 | so 2 reasons: |
| 07:17:58 | JdGordon | no, direction was just to add a bit more randomness... |
| 07:18:01 | Falco98 | 1) if we're already running a playlist, we don't need that case anymore |
| 07:18:26 | Falco98 | 2) if we're already running a playlist, it would be dangerous (or at least useless) to add something *before* the album we're currently playing |
| 07:19:01 | Falco98 | #2 is the most important reason :-P |
| 07:19:31 | JdGordon | the if (r<0) line should stop that from ever happening... |
| 07:19:50 | speacial_ed | Umm so I just installed rockbox on my 5g 30gb winpod and.... well it says its using like 25 gigs of the 30... and my 2nd partition is 5 gigs and 3rd is like less than a gig... any ideas? |
| 07:20:07 | Falco98 | JdGordon: well if that case happens, where is the album inserted? |
| 07:20:12 | Falco98 | in the middle of the currently-playing one |
| 07:20:34 | JdGordon | ha, yes.. it should be p = r+1 then |
| 07:21:10 | Falco98 | then it'll insert the new album (in the middle plus one track) of the currently playing album :) |
| 07:21:39 | Falco98 | or do u mean it should be r = r + 1? |
| 07:22:12 | JdGordon | grr.. ye your correct. |
| 07:22:24 | Falco98 | hehe sry |
| 07:22:53 | JdGordon | how about then ir (r<0){ p = c; break; } |
| 07:22:55 | Falco98 | hmm so i ran Make and it didn't explode in my face.. does that mean it compiled? |
| 07:23:02 | JdGordon | yup |
| 07:23:45 | Falco98 | what would "p = c" do? |
| 07:24:07 | JdGordon | p is the position where its getting inserted.. i.e put it at the end if we r at the beginignng again |
| 07:24:10 | Falco98 | c is either playlist size or playlist remaining... |
| 07:24:31 | Falco98 | well if we're at the beginning we want it to go at the beginning no? |
| 07:24:46 | dpassen1 | Maybe, changing variable names to something meaningful would help? |
| 07:24:57 | dpassen1 | So its easier to digest what is going on |
| 07:25:08 | Falco98 | and if we only let the counter go up when a p/l is already running, we eliminate the case of inserting stuff where it'll not get played |
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| 07:25:31 | Falco98 | dpassen1: interesting idea |
| 07:25:49 | JdGordon | haha,,, but that is no fun :D |
| 07:25:53 | dpassen1 | When I was first looking at the patch, it took a while to acclimate to p,r,c, etc. |
| 07:26:00 | JdGordon | as u can c... im lazy when it comes to typing variable names |
| 07:26:07 | dpassen1 | hehe |
| 07:26:11 | Falco98 | esp. since all 3 of those change their meaning very shortly after |
| 07:26:17 | JdGordon | bit more obfuscation for you... direction = -1+(2*(r%2)); |
| 07:27:04 | Falco98 | that works... |
| 07:27:11 | * | JdGordon us making it more sane... |
| 07:27:20 | Falco98 | i was acutally wondering what a working formula for that might be :-P |
| 07:27:48 | Falco98 | how bout just (r % 2) * 2) -1 |
| 07:27:51 | Falco98 | missing a ( |
| 07:28:01 | JdGordon | or that.. |
| 07:28:15 | JdGordon | same thing almost |
| 07:29:01 | Mikachu | hopefully the compiler is smart enough, but if not, (r & 1) will be faster |
| 07:29:25 | Falco98 | what's the & do? |
| 07:29:30 | dongs | gcc? smart compiler? |
| 07:29:31 | Mikachu | bitmask |
| 07:29:31 | JdGordon | bitwise and |
| 07:29:32 | dongs | ha |
| 07:29:47 | JdGordon | r&1 doesnt give -1/1 ? |
| 07:30:02 | dongs | how the fuck did gnu faggots end up with TEQP being a fucking 'msr' |
| 07:30:06 | Mikachu | it would always be positive |
| 07:30:11 | Falco98 | well it compiled |
| 07:30:25 | * | JdGordon has replaced variable names to resotre sanity... |
| 07:30:28 | B4gder | go wash your mouth with soap dongs |
| 07:30:40 | Mikachu | maybe prot inspired him |
| 07:30:52 | Falco98 | jd check my version.. about to paste again |
| 07:30:57 | scorche | we have 6 ops o_O |
| 07:31:06 | speacial_ed | Umm so I just installed rockbox on my 5g 30gb winpod and.... well it says its using like 25 gigs of the 30... and my 2nd partition is 5 gigs and 3rd is like less than a gig... any ideas? |
| 07:31:33 | B4gder | who says that and what is the problem with it? |
| 07:31:35 | Falco98 | http://pastebin.com/718145 |
| 07:31:43 | dongs | speacial_ed: same reason you buy a 160gb hdd and its only 145gb. |
| 07:32:09 | speacial_ed | so thats the reason the first partition is so huge huh? |
| 07:32:12 | speacial_ed | good thought |
| 07:32:31 | JdGordon | mine is working now... cept its in order which sux... |
| 07:32:38 | Falco98 | haha |
| 07:32:46 | Falco98 | that was teh prob. in the first place :-P |
| 07:33:01 | JdGordon | but its at folder boundaries... |
| 07:33:03 | Falco98 | does it insert some weird folders, like split in half, right near the beginning of the p/l? |
| 07:33:03 | dongs | speacial_ed: time for 5 R's |
| 07:33:13 | JdGordon | wasnt the prob being inserted mid folder? |
| 07:33:24 | Falco98 | speacial_ed: ./ignore dongs |
| 07:33:32 | Falco98 | jd: both |
| 07:33:39 | Mikachu | JdGordon: what exactly do you want to do with r? |
| 07:33:41 | speacial_ed | falco98: will do |
| 07:33:54 | JdGordon | Mikachu: direction needs to be -1 or 1 |
| 07:34:02 | JdGordon | based on r%2 |
| 07:34:13 | B4gder | r&1?1:-1 ? |
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| 07:34:26 | JdGordon | haha.. thatl do :D |
| 07:34:47 | Falco98 | the compiler seems to have handled "direction = (( r % 2 ) * 2 ) - 1;" pretty well |
| 07:35:25 | Falco98 | oh does r&1 test for even/odd then? |
| 07:35:30 | B4gder | yes |
| 07:35:30 | Mikachu | yes |
| 07:35:33 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 07:35:37 | * | Falco98 slaps forehead |
| 07:36:57 | Mikachu | LinusN: i think you want to add some more people to chanserv access list |
| 07:37:11 | LinusN | oh |
| 07:37:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 07:38:23 | * | dongs is still looking for some arm asm reference |
| 07:38:50 | Falco98 | JdGordon: anything? |
| 07:38:56 | B4gder | dongs: http://www.arm.com/pdfs/QRC0001H_rvct_v2.1_arm.pdf |
| 07:39:05 | JdGordon | not yet... |
| 07:39:29 | dongs | thats pretty small it better be amazingly well compressed |
| 07:39:32 | dongs | hm |
| 07:40:06 | dongs | ya thats good enough |
| 07:40:07 | dongs | thanks |
| 07:40:34 | * | B4gder bows |
| 07:40:48 | * | Mikachu applauds cordially |
| 07:40:55 | * | scorche giggles |
| 07:41:36 | * | JdGordon adds debug output :'( |
| 07:41:39 | Falco98 | JdGordon: i also think the directories should be left with the final "/" intact |
| 07:41:45 | JdGordon | why? |
| 07:42:09 | Falco98 | cuz strcmp("foo" "foo 2" strlen("foo")) will put them equal |
| 07:42:44 | Falco98 | however if it's strcmp("foo/" "foo 2/" strlen("foo/")) it'll work |
| 07:43:08 | JdGordon | u then might have to ADD a / to the dir name... |
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| 07:43:18 | Falco98 | why? |
| 07:43:23 | Falco98 | when you're stripping the filenames off |
| 07:43:29 | JdGordon | coz they are added artificially... |
| 07:43:31 | Falco98 | just leave on the final "/"? |
| 07:43:31 | Mikachu | just use strcmp instead of strncmp |
| 07:44:16 | Falco98 | Mikachu: the problem is, the second item in the comparisons will still have a filename after it |
| 07:44:49 | B4gder | then it certainly must use a slash or similar |
| 07:45:05 | dongs | use ":" like apple. |
| 07:45:16 | Falco98 | so it would be more like "strcmp("Foo" "Foo/bar.mp3" strlen("foo"))" |
| 07:45:21 | dongs | B4gder: do you know what hte first 8 jump instructions at beginning of memory is for? |
| 07:45:32 | dongs | i heard "reset vector" mentioned or something simlar. |
| 07:45:50 | B4gder | yeah, they're exception/interrupt vectors |
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| 07:46:13 | Falco98 | JdGordon: what do u mean when u say "added artificially"? |
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| 07:46:44 | JdGordon | they are added by a function.. not as part of the filename... anyway i got a fix |
| 07:46:57 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/718175 |
| 07:47:03 | Falco98 | what, slashes aren't part of the filename? |
| 07:47:17 | JdGordon | no |
| 07:47:17 | dongs | ew pastebin |
| 07:47:39 | dongs | rafb.net/paste has no ads and is 100x better than some lame php-pasting site |
| 07:48:28 | Falco98 | JdGordon: u just commented out the "if" after "else"? |
| 07:48:48 | JdGordon | and remove the filename and do the check on strlen(filename) |
| 07:49:06 | dongs | B4gder: so, 0 is reset vector, 1 is what? unhandled exception/crash? |
| 07:49:06 | Falco98 | ok.. |
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| 07:49:34 | JdGordon | ok.. none of that code is ever excecuted.. |
| 07:49:41 | JdGordon | if (!count || last_insert_pos) is wrong... |
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| 07:51:11 | B4gder | dongs: I guess you need to check a arm7tdmi doc for the details, I don't recall them |
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| 07:53:31 | Falco98 | where? |
| 07:54:20 | JdGordon | line 772 |
| 07:55:02 | Falco98 | oh gotit |
| 07:56:00 | Falco98 | so what's that mean |
| 07:56:45 | JdGordon | in fact.. everything from 766 down is only excetued once for me.. something must be mangling *position... |
| 07:57:30 | Falco98 | it worked in your old versions.. what did you change? |
| 07:57:37 | JdGordon | nothing.. ? |
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| 07:58:37 | Falco98 | what's the difference between insert_folders_randomly and insert_tree_randomly ? |
| 07:59:10 | JdGordon | u must be looking at an old one... neither of those should be called... |
| 07:59:15 | JdGordon | or even exsist |
| 07:59:19 | JdGordon | i tinhk |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:37 | Falco98 | i still see a few things floating around in your version of the patch from yesterday... |
| 08:01:50 | JdGordon | hahahaha... im an idiot... when i copied this code form the old functions i didnt rename i.. i is the counter for the files as well and i tihnk it changes the wrong i ... |
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| 08:02:25 | JdGordon | or maybe not... |
| 08:02:32 | bleaked | question, i've been playing with tagcache over the past few weeks. one problem i've noticed is that when i rotate out music on the device, and when tagcache 'updates' its database, it never deletes entries of deleted songs. is this a known bug? can i manually clear the cache? is there something i may be doing wrong? |
| 08:02:51 | Falco98 | oh heh |
| 08:02:58 | Falco98 | i just noticed you have 2 "i"'s floating around |
| 08:03:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: Yes, it doesn't detect and remove songs. Right now it can only add, so you'd have to delete the tagcache files and rebuild it from scratch. Remember, it's very new still. |
| 08:03:58 | bleaked | yes, only a few months, correct? |
| 08:04:35 | bleaked | ok, well two quick questions.. |
| 08:04:38 | JdGordon | Falco98: floating around?, i just changed my i's to l and it didnt change anything.. so i either missed one or its not the bug |
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| 08:05:06 | Falco98 | jd: look at line 725 |
| 08:05:23 | Falco98 | then 768 |
| 08:05:31 | bleaked | first, what files do i delete to remove the cache, and, i've read teh comparison of the various methods one can store the cache on the device, used both, and still cannot decide what is best. any recommendations? |
| 08:05:33 | JdGordon | ye, thats what i mean |
| 08:05:38 | Falco98 | i'm wondering if those 2 conflicted... |
| 08:05:39 | JdGordon | the 2nd set need to be chnaged |
| 08:05:51 | JdGordon | doesnt look like they did... |
| 08:06:00 | Falco98 | ah.. dang |
| 08:06:01 | JdGordon | good ol' local variables and scope :p |
| 08:06:20 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 08:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: For the first, every file in the base /.rockbox/ folder with tag in the name, EXCEPT tagnavi.config, if I recall. |
| 08:06:56 | Falco98 | wait tho.. the second "i" function has access to the first "i" tho right? |
| 08:06:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: For the second: Do you go back to your tagcache often, or do you prefer to just start your music, and listen for quite some time without browsing again. |
| 08:07:07 | JdGordon | yup, *position is being mangled... |
| 08:07:27 | Falco98 | figure out what's doing it yet? |
| 08:07:59 | JdGordon | no :'( |
| 08:08:38 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd. generally i toss on an album, play for a while, pause, resume, pause, resume, next album.. occasionally if i've set it down for a while and pick it back up, i'll choose a different album. |
| 08:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: Probably leave it as "Disk" then. |
| 08:09:30 | bleaked | ok, thanks. |
| 08:09:35 | JdGordon | FUUUUCK!!!! |
| 08:09:39 | * | JdGordon shoots self |
| 08:09:45 | Falco98 | uh-oh |
| 08:09:46 | JdGordon | bloody freeking typo in playlist.h |
| 08:09:46 | Falco98 | what is it |
| 08:09:53 | Falco98 | oh? |
| 08:10:03 | JdGordon | PLAYLIST_INSERT_FOLDERS_RANDOMLY = 16 not = -1 :o |
| 08:10:22 | Falco98 | which should it be |
| 08:10:23 | JdGordon | =-6 even |
| 08:10:35 | Falco98 | AHHHH |
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| 08:11:34 | | Quit hardeep (Remote closed the connection) |
| 08:11:57 | JdGordon | and now we r back to the proper prolem.... |
| 08:12:03 | JdGordon | inserting mid folder :'( |
| 08:12:11 | Falco98 | oh? |
| 08:12:20 | Falco98 | how do u check so fast? u have a simulator? |
| 08:12:24 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:12:35 | JdGordon | build the sim and dump some mp3 in it |
| 08:12:46 | Falco98 | god damn modifying playlist.h makes the whole damn thing rebuild |
| 08:12:56 | Falco98 | in windows, jd? |
| 08:13:01 | JdGordon | no, linux |
| 08:13:36 | Falco98 | dang |
| 08:14:24 | Falco98 | did you make the changes i suggested about fixing the cointoss? |
| 08:14:45 | JdGordon | yes, and no.. :D |
| 08:15:00 | Falco98 | paste ur function again? |
| 08:16:18 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/718208 |
| 08:16:24 | JdGordon | shouldnt u be going to bed?? :D |
| 08:17:35 | Falco98 | haha |
| 08:17:39 | Falco98 | i dont need to get up.. |
| 08:17:43 | Falco98 | (necessarily) |
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| 08:18:47 | Falco98 | use this: |
| 08:18:47 | Falco98 | http://pastebin.com/718213 |
| 08:19:20 | Falco98 | and if it still acts the same, at least we'll know that wasn't the problem |
| 08:21:41 | JdGordon | its definalty not the problem :D |
| 08:21:51 | Falco98 | so you tried it then? |
| 08:21:54 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:22:00 | Falco98 | cuz it should be that way anyway :-P |
| 08:22:26 | Falco98 | so what exactly is happening wrong, now? |
| 08:22:46 | Falco98 | is there any random-order inserting at all? |
| 08:22:48 | JdGordon | insert_pos is being set incorrectly... somewhere... |
| 08:22:56 | JdGordon | its very random.. |
| 08:23:07 | JdGordon | but 1 folder is enclosing all others... |
| 08:23:12 | Falco98 | so it's almost right? |
| 08:23:13 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 08:23:27 | Falco98 | that's the way it's been with me too |
| 08:23:34 | Falco98 | but the others.. are they still in order, or random now? |
| 08:23:54 | JdGordon | ye, all in order, cept 1 folder |
| 08:23:59 | JdGordon | this is really pissing me off :D |
| 08:26:15 | Davide-NYC | you guys working on the randon folders? |
| 08:26:20 | Davide-NYC | *random |
| 08:26:33 | JdGordon | ye |
| 08:26:39 | JdGordon | for the past few days :'( |
| 08:26:47 | Falco98 | yup |
| 08:26:49 | Davide-NYC | oh, sorry I asked |
| 08:26:56 | Falco98 | hehe no prob.. |
| 08:27:21 | Falco98 | why, you wanna help us debug this damn thing? |
| 08:27:30 | Falco98 | it's certainly pestering us.. |
| 08:27:44 | Davide-NYC | I can't right now |
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| 08:27:53 | Davide-NYC | but I could prob help you tomorrow night |
| 08:28:08 | Davide-NYC | hopefully just to test your working patch |
| 08:28:11 | Davide-NYC | ;-) |
| 08:28:13 | Falco98 | sweet.. check in, i'm sure there'll still be bugs :-P |
| 08:28:15 | Falco98 | haha |
| 08:28:20 | Falco98 | yeah, cross your fingers.. |
| 08:28:52 | Falco98 | JdGordon: is there a way to have it, maybe, write a debug file to file-output? |
| 08:29:13 | JdGordon | ye, DEBUGF() |
| 08:29:18 | JdGordon | its the same as printf.. |
| 08:29:27 | JdGordon | im using it.. but its not the best debug tool.. |
| 08:30:02 | Falco98 | um |
| 08:30:02 | Falco98 | jd |
| 08:30:09 | Falco98 | look at line... |
| 08:30:31 | Falco98 | 834 |
| 08:30:48 | Falco98 | "if l == ...." |
| 08:31:03 | JdGordon | ? thats all fine... |
| 08:31:07 | Falco98 | isn't that out-of-scope from the for() loop you use l in? |
| 08:31:22 | JdGordon | copy the whole line... |
| 08:31:39 | Falco98 | if (l==count) |
| 08:31:49 | Falco98 | insert_pos = 1 |
| 08:32:01 | JdGordon | no, thats in scope.. |
| 08:32:07 | JdGordon | just |
| 08:32:31 | JdGordon | count needs to be renamed also.. i just noticed there is a count var alreadt |
| 08:32:42 | Falco98 | where do you init. l? |
| 08:32:47 | Falco98 | L |
| 08:33:22 | JdGordon | for(l=0;....) |
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| 08:35:57 | Falco98 | maybe i meant where is it declared |
| 08:36:16 | JdGordon | under if (*position == PLAYLIST_INSERT_FOLDERS_RANDOMLY) |
| 08:36:52 | Falco98 | ahh ok cool |
| 08:36:59 | kiji | Hi i got a problem here, anyone wanna help ??? |
| 08:37:07 | Falco98 | shoot, kiji |
| 08:37:11 | dongs | wow, could you have any more consistent coding style there Falco98 / JdGordon ? |
| 08:37:22 | dongs | i hope your patch never gets accepted just because of that. |
| 08:37:36 | JdGordon | what in particular shmuck? |
| 08:37:40 | JdGordon | i mean dongs? |
| 08:37:45 | kiji | i can't install a software here |
| 08:37:46 | dongs | just looking at stuff you pasted. |
| 08:37:49 | dongs | inconsistent spacing etc. |
| 08:37:52 | Falco98 | ./ignore dongs |
| 08:38:01 | dongs | ./shrug not my problem |
| 08:38:07 | Falco98 | we're trying to get it to just work |
| 08:38:12 | dongs | does it matter? |
| 08:38:12 | Falco98 | we can clean it up later |
| 08:38:14 | JdGordon | much better :D |
| 08:38:16 | dongs | no. |
| 08:38:23 | dongs | "later" wont happen. |
| 08:38:33 | dongs | if you are writing code, write it properly the first time. |
| 08:38:38 | dongs | you're not saving anything. |
| 08:38:40 | Falco98 | kiji: whatcha trying to install? |
| 08:38:45 | dongs | you're making a mess for yourself/others to deal with later. |
| 08:38:50 | Falco98 | JdGordon: any luck? |
| 08:39:00 | JdGordon | .. no |
| 08:39:59 | Falco98 | did u finish renaming count? |
| 08:40:16 | dongs | kiji: what. |
| 08:40:24 | JdGordon | ye, the problem only occurs on the 2nd folder added.. |
| 08:40:26 | JdGordon | always,,, |
| 08:40:33 | Falco98 | yup |
| 08:40:39 | JdGordon | so its not a boundary check thats buggered.. |
| 08:40:59 | Falco98 | but they're still all going in-order too? |
| 08:41:12 | JdGordon | no |
| 08:41:33 | Falco98 | oh they're going in random now? |
| 08:42:49 | JdGordon | the first folder to get inserted gets split.. all others are put in somehwere in the first folder, but randomly.. witth their tracks in order.. |
| 08:42:49 | kiji | i can't use my computer and my document in a start menu |
| 08:43:08 | kiji | and i can't use dos or regedit |
| 08:43:19 | * | scorche checks the channel's name |
| 08:43:33 | kiji | besides i can't install a new software like itunes :P |
| 08:43:56 | dongs | oh hm. 2nd vector is undefined instruction. |
| 08:44:06 | Falco98 | JdGordon: how many folders are u testing with? |
| 08:44:10 | JdGordon | 4 |
| 08:44:21 | dongs | "u" is not a word either. |
| 08:44:35 | scorche | dongs: quit trolling |
| 08:44:40 | dongs | i'm not. |
| 08:45:10 | dongs | i pointed out 2 extremely important things |
| 08:45:21 | dongs | 1, that writing quality / properly formatted code from beginning is critical |
| 08:45:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | kiji: This is not the right place to search for help with that. I would suggest using Google. |
| 08:45:27 | dongs | and 2, that 'u' is not a word. |
| 08:45:30 | dongs | how the fuck is this trolling. |
| 08:46:03 | kiji | i do use google but i can't find it |
| 08:46:10 | midkay | dongs, how about 'quit being absolutely annoying and utterly useless'? |
| 08:46:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the latter because even you should know well enough to know that anyone using "u" is familiar with the fact that it's not a word, and chooses to use it anyway. |
| 08:46:15 | Falco98 | JdGordon: try with 5 or 6 folders, just to make sure they're really going in random.. if the split-folder thing is the only bug left i'll be happy for the night :-P |
| 08:46:18 | kiji | can you tell me what the exact phrase? |
| 08:46:20 | scorche | kiji: try joining #windows instead |
| 08:46:30 | scorche | kiji: http://www.google.com |
| 08:46:49 | dongs | midkay: what's with random hate. do you disagree with what i said or what? |
| 08:47:02 | kiji | ok |
| 08:48:14 | dongs | how come they stopped making daily win32 builds? |
| 08:48:23 | dongs | is it because its broken or what |
| 08:48:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: You are often around in this channel saying things almost clearly with the intent of sparking off-topic debate, or arguments. You like to tell people they should be using other compilers, or OSes, and have generally made a nuisance of yourself, and probably know you're doing so. It's not that what you said recently was particularly trollish on its own, but in light of the way you generally act, it seems less than merely in |
| 08:48:26 | midkay | dongs, i disagree with about everything you say.. i popped in and noticed your 'u' message, and i thought it would be a good time to let you know. since you've got here i haven't seen you contribute anything useful, just complaints and in-my-opinion-ish (generally worthless) suggestions. |
| 08:48:58 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: your text got cut off at "merely in" |
| 08:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | nocent |
| 08:49:34 | JdGordon | do /ignore thingyies stay around after a reconnect? or do u have to redo it every connect? |
| 08:49:40 | LinusN | hmm, the new wps zip building code still doesn't handle different resolutions very well |
| 08:49:43 | Falco98 | redo |
| 08:49:47 | kiji | first when i got a problem with this i can use a total commander to see the local disc and save it here then i can take it for another day, but now i can't use it anymore, do you know what other software to crack it? |
| 08:49:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Back to something on-topic, what "Daily win32 builds" are you talking about? |
| 08:49:50 | JdGordon | bummer |
| 08:49:53 | dongs | irc. serious business. |
| 08:49:55 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: uisim. |
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| 08:50:10 | LinusN | it can't handle when there are different bitmaps directories for different resolutions |
| 08:50:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not broken. It's just that we use SDL now. |
| 08:50:19 | LinusN | like icatcher |
| 08:50:25 | dongs | as opposed to? |
| 08:50:54 | dongs | how does 'we use sdl now' explain lack of uisim builds? |
| 08:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Prior there was a windows-specific and an x11-specific sim. Now there's just the SDL one. |
| 08:51:04 | dongs | i see |
| 08:51:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's how it explains it. |
| 08:51:16 | dongs | well, so where are the windows binaries of it then? |
| 08:51:20 | LinusN | no |
| 08:51:31 | preglow | no binaries for the sim at all |
| 08:51:40 | Falco98 | JdGordon: can you repaste your whole add_directory_to_playlist function? i need to copy-paste over mine :-P |
| 08:51:40 | LinusN | exactly |
| 08:51:50 | scorche | kiji: as we have said before, this is not the correct place to search for your answers. |
| 08:51:53 | JdGordon | in a sec |
| 08:52:00 | Falco98 | thx |
| 08:53:29 | LinusN | dongs: the simulator is a developer tool, for developing code, so there is no point in having binaries for download |
| 08:54:40 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/718256 |
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| 08:59:02 | JdGordon | i think its the recursion screwing it up |
| 08:59:09 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 08:59:18 | Falco98 | i think you messed up fixing the cointoss... |
| 08:59:31 | B4gder | markun: nice work on the languages! |
| 08:59:38 | Falco98 | direction = 1;//(track_index&1)?1:-1; |
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| 09:00:02 | JdGordon | are the directories always the first entries in the file listing |
| 09:00:13 | JdGordon | Falco98: yes, just sets it to 1 for the moment |
| 09:00:21 | Falco98 | ahh ok |
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| 09:01:09 | * | dongs eyes line 114 in the last paste |
| 09:01:22 | Davide-NYC | LinusN I noticed that all of the extra WPS were rejected during make zip yesterday |
| 09:01:38 | LinusN | that is intended |
| 09:01:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it strictly necessary that the cointoss be weighted? Why not just do an honest two-result random chance to pick up or down? |
| 09:01:48 | Falco98 | what's the problem you see, dongs? |
| 09:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, pseudorandom |
| 09:02:10 | LinusN | however, the new system requires that all bitmaps are in the same directory, for all wps sizes (in wps) |
| 09:02:19 | Falco98 | paul: it's not "weighting" per se.. I just want it fixed so it counts only-up in the case of an already-going playlist |
| 09:02:25 | LinusN | (in cvs) i mean |
| 09:02:25 | JdGordon | ciontoss isnt weighted.. |
| 09:02:39 | dongs | Falco98: you're executing the if statemetn if dir and pti.filename are not equal? |
| 09:02:56 | Davide-NYC | may I ask for a quick example? (I'm not on my machine right now) |
| 09:03:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Yeah, I realized that after I hit enter. I misread the statement. Sorry. |
| 09:03:25 | JdGordon | no probs :) |
| 09:03:27 | markun | B4gder: Should the untranslated entries be empty or "" ? |
| 09:04:30 | Davide-NYC | LinusN, when ou say "the new system requires that all bitmaps are in the same directory, for all wps sizes" is that for all WPSes? |
| 09:04:36 | Falco98 | dongs: yeah |
| 09:04:59 | Davide-NYC | so it's essentially one big "WPSbitmaps" folder. |
| 09:05:04 | Davide-NYC | gotot |
| 09:05:07 | Davide-NYC | *gotit |
| 09:05:10 | Falco98 | since that means that "dir" has changed between this playlist entry and the prior one, so that means it's a directory boundary |
| 09:05:28 | LinusN | Davide-NYC: it means that each wps in cvs can have a <wpsname>.www.hhh.dd.wps file (for different width, height and depth) |
| 09:05:41 | LinusN | but only one dir for the bitmaps |
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| 09:06:09 | markun | Do you guys think the file name chinese-traditional.lang is too long? |
| 09:06:15 | dongs | yes |
| 09:06:17 | midkay | btw, anyone know what the schedule is for 3.0? still tomorrow (today)? another week? end of May? .. |
| 09:06:31 | LinusN | another week (read the ml) |
| 09:06:32 | markun | what about chinese-trad.lang? |
| 09:06:38 | Falco98 | early '08 :) |
| 09:06:39 | Davide-NYC | and that dir is called ,wpsname. |
| 09:07:18 | Davide-NYC | oh nevermind, I get the jist, I'l confirm the details when I'm infront of my machine |
| 09:07:22 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 09:07:24 | dongs | markun: well what would be chinese-simplified then? |
| 09:07:24 | Falco98 | JdGordon: in line 114 of your paste, what exactly does the "e" in the if-statement do? |
| 09:07:24 | midkay | LinusN, ah, hadn't read Bagder's message, thanks. |
| 09:07:24 | dongs | heh. |
| 09:07:46 | dongs | simp? |
| 09:07:46 | JdGordon | just a extra sanity check.. not strickyl needed |
| 09:08:11 | Falco98 | i forget what *e even is.. |
| 09:08:39 | markun | dongs: chinese-simp ? |
| 09:09:02 | markun | dongs: yes, I think so |
| 09:09:49 | markun | If we were usings something like svn we could rename the file later on (hint) :) |
| 09:09:58 | JdGordon | this stupid thing has a mind of its own.. |
| 09:10:05 | JdGordon | i give up for the moment.. need food |
| 09:10:08 | JdGordon | bbl |
| 09:10:14 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 09:10:18 | Falco98 | i need shower / bed.. |
| 09:10:19 | dongs | ah, the joys of open source development. |
| 09:10:31 | markun | dongs: is there a cvs equivalent from microsoft? |
| 09:10:35 | dongs | markun: of course |
| 09:10:38 | dongs | visual source safe |
| 09:10:40 | B4gder | no |
| 09:10:40 | dongs | and it rocks. |
| 09:10:46 | markun | cool |
| 09:10:47 | B4gder | that's totally crap |
| 09:10:52 | markun | :) |
| 09:10:53 | B4gder | not even MS themselves use it |
| 09:10:57 | Falco98 | JdGordon: ttyl.. let me know if u come up with any solutions :-P |
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| 09:11:59 | B4gder | and calling it a CVS equivalent is stretching the truth quite far |
| 09:12:08 | dongs | have you even used it |
| 09:12:20 | B4gder | why does that matter? |
| 09:12:24 | dongs | lol. |
| 09:12:30 | dongs | gee i wonder. |
| 09:12:34 | B4gder | use google |
| 09:12:51 | B4gder | and again, how come MS doesn't use it? |
| 09:12:57 | B4gder | if its so good |
| 09:13:29 | B4gder | dongs: you're always just full of it, but this time your even more |
| 09:13:40 | dongs | this arm sim i ripped out of VBA doesnt support some of my phone's instructions :( and im at a loss where to go about adding htem because the arm simulator core is a 120k header file with thousands nested #define statemetns :( |
| 09:13:55 | dongs | how annoying |
| 09:14:58 | B4gder | http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/windev/sourcesafe.html |
| 09:15:16 | dongs | Copyright © 2002 (2002) < |
| 09:15:44 | B4gder | and they fixed all problems since? allow me to doubt |
| 09:16:04 | B4gder | but I know MS works on a replacement |
| 09:16:09 | B4gder | they may get things right in that |
| 09:17:37 | B4gder | but ok, this is #rockbox |
| 09:17:47 | B4gder | svn would be cool |
| 09:17:52 | B4gder | one day... |
| 09:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 09:18:34 | LinusN | does visual source safe work on linux? |
| 09:18:47 | B4gder | it doesn't work on any OS ;-) |
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| 09:19:50 | * | petur swears at firefox |
| 09:20:01 | petur | that last update is unstable as hell |
| 09:20:12 | B4gder | 1.5.0.3? |
| 09:20:21 | petur | yeah |
| 09:20:27 | Davide-NYC | what happened> |
| 09:20:42 | petur | hanging completely during page load |
| 09:21:05 | Davide-NYC | just built a new machine for the wife and dread hearing all the moaning tomorrow (not the right kind mind you) |
| 09:21:29 | Davide-NYC | IE torn out only browser currently = FF |
| 09:21:36 | B4gder | yeah, wives are superb at finding all new problems never experienced before |
| 09:21:46 | kclaf | petur : i use it for a few days now, it seems ok |
| 09:22:00 | kclaf | petur : linux or win32 ? |
| 09:22:08 | Davide-NYC | good Q |
| 09:22:09 | petur | kclaf: good for you... w2k here |
| 09:22:41 | petur | B4gder: kids too ;) |
| 09:23:01 | B4gder | my daughter is thankfully not old enough |
| 09:23:11 | B4gder | she's just destroyed a keyboard so far ;-) |
| 09:23:52 | preglow | just one? |
| 09:25:53 | amiconn | morning |
| 09:26:15 | amiconn | B4gder: There's a missing dependency in the build system: The build server doesn't rebuild right now... |
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| 09:26:44 | amiconn | While it usually doesn't need to rebuild when fonts are changed, it should rebuild when rockbox_default.bdf is changed... |
| 09:26:47 | B4gder | it doesn't care about changes in the fonts dir |
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| 09:28:10 | B4gder | and the way it works, just adding a single file within that dir is not as easy as it may sound |
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| 09:32:46 | markun | amiconn: thanks for fixing the font |
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| 09:36:00 | amiconn | B4gder: Could you manually trigger a build? |
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| 09:36:33 | amiconn | @dev: In case anyone's going to commit some code soon, this is of course not needed |
| 09:36:53 | B4gder | I usually dig up something to fix and commit when I want to force a rebuild ;-) |
| 09:37:09 | LinusN | i will soon commit a fix for the wps building |
| 09:37:15 | B4gder | like in the docs/ dir everything is always lagging ;-) |
| 09:37:28 | B4gder | hm |
| 09:37:35 | B4gder | no, docs aren't considered either ;-) |
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| 09:40:57 | * | theli_ua was so hoping for feature unfreeze today ;( ... |
| 09:41:20 | * | theli_ua is crying |
| 09:45:40 | * | petur was hoping for more rockbox time past weekend... got veto from wife :\ |
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| 10:31:44 | infamis | what happened to backdrops, fonts, themes, and wpses? they're no longer in the 'make zip'? |
| 10:31:57 | theli_ua | infamis they are in |
| 10:32:02 | theli_ua | make fullzip |
| 10:32:25 | B4gder | and only fonts were moved to a separate package |
| 10:32:58 | theli_ua | maybe we should add this to 'major changes' on front page? :) |
| 10:33:02 | markun | infamis: wps' are left out if they are made for a different screen size |
| 10:33:30 | preglow | ahahah |
| 10:33:39 | infamis | ok, make fullzip got me the fonts but still not wpses....but why does the cvs bleeding edge include them? |
| 10:33:52 | infamis | x5 fyi |
| 10:34:01 | B4gder | and you have them checked out? |
| 10:34:21 | infamis | yup just did an update |
| 10:34:54 | infamis | however, I do get 'due to size constraints' messages during the execution of make zip/fullzip |
| 10:35:02 | infamis | 8 lines |
| 10:35:20 | infamis | second line says 'restraintss' |
| 10:36:39 | JdGordon | just noticed on the release announcement it has thanx to other oss projects but no mention of ipl... shuoldnt it have a big thanks to them for the opod oirt?> |
| 10:36:44 | JdGordon | port even |
| 10:37:14 | LinusN | the release is not for the ipod |
| 10:37:43 | JdGordon | i know.. but ok |
| 10:38:14 | B4gder | I think we could very well list all projects we've borrowed code from |
| 10:38:26 | infamis | my bad, it says restraints, not constraints |
| 10:38:29 | B4gder | for this release there are MUCH more importnat projects than ipl |
| 10:38:43 | B4gder | like libmad, ogg etc |
| 10:39:48 | linuxstb | I agree with that. Do we also need to deal with the different licenses somehow? |
| 10:40:15 | B4gder | yes we need to include the different licenses |
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| 10:41:52 | infamis | $ make fullzip |
| 10:42:58 | preglow | where would we want to do that? |
| 10:43:38 | infamis | I was trying to post a multi-line thing but I guess the client stops text after the first line break |
| 10:43:40 | infamis | http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7942/asdf8re.jpg |
| 10:44:03 | LinusN | infamis: oops |
| 10:44:19 | infamis | from wpsbuild.pl around lines 250 |
| 10:45:21 | LinusN | infamis: which platform? |
| 10:45:28 | infamis | x5, normal build |
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| 10:47:39 | dongs | does gcc/binutils use some retarded non-standard names for arm asm? |
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| 10:47:57 | LinusN | infamis: is your wpsbuild.pl unmodified? |
| 10:48:02 | dongs | or am i doing somethign wrong? |
| 10:48:02 | dongs | 00009088: msr cpsr_fsxc, r0, lsr pc < gcc |
| 10:48:03 | dongs | 00009088 30 FF 2F E1 BLX R0 < ida |
| 10:48:50 | LinusN | infamis: did you check out everything from CVS, or did you download a tar file? |
| 10:48:55 | infamis | I uncommented out the relevant '#print ...' lines: 254,255,257,272 |
| 10:49:03 | dongs | oh hm that looks liek a thumb command |
| 10:49:07 | infamis | I did: |
| 10:49:13 | dongs | i wonder why it didnt switch |
| 10:50:08 | preglow | dongs: blx isn't supported by arm7tdmi |
| 10:50:10 | infamis | ... |
| 10:50:20 | preglow | dongs: that's probably why objdump didn't translate to that |
| 10:50:23 | LinusN | infamis: did you do "cvs up -dP"? |
| 10:50:32 | infamis | /usr/src/rockbox-devel$ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox update |
| 10:50:43 | dongs | preglow: i see. thats pretty shitty. i guess i need a arm9 sim, do you know of any that are opensores? |
| 10:51:01 | LinusN | infamis: you should probably add the -dP switch to that |
| 10:51:07 | preglow | dongs: hell no |
| 10:51:10 | dongs | heh |
| 10:51:22 | preglow | dongs: and btw, i'm talking bs, unless you told objdump you have an arm7tdmi |
| 10:51:50 | preglow | objdump isn't the very peak in programming excellence |
| 10:51:53 | dongs | i didnt, i used some opensores arm disasm lib |
| 10:51:53 | linuxstb | infamis: You shouldn't need the "-d:..." part of that command - the cvs command will look in a folder called CVS in the current directory for that information. |
| 10:52:00 | preglow | roit |
| 10:52:07 | dongs | that just takes and gives mnemonic (in gcc format) for a given instruction |
| 10:52:24 | dongs | blah |
| 10:52:30 | preglow | there are new thumb instructions there anyway |
| 10:52:35 | infamis | what's the difference though? what does -dP add/change? |
| 10:52:36 | preglow | no |
| 10:52:41 | preglow | god damn, i write extra bad today |
| 10:52:42 | dongs | so first i wasted 6 hours because i forgot to setup instruction pointer on cpu reset and all shit was broken and i was pulling hair out |
| 10:52:57 | dongs | then i find out i get undefined instruction after like 100 cycles. |
| 10:53:01 | LinusN | infamis: all the wps files and directories have changed |
| 10:53:39 | LinusN | you need to either ude the -dP switches or delete everything in the wps module before updating |
| 10:53:46 | LinusN | s/ude/use/ |
| 10:54:16 | dongs | i wonder if any of the ARM's sims can be extended with custom modules for harwdare/whatever |
| 10:54:22 | dongs | somehow i doubt it |
| 10:54:32 | infamis | hmm... |
| 10:54:42 | linuxstb | dongs: If they're open source, then there should be no problem. |
| 10:54:56 | infamis | why does cvs give me an 'M wpsbuild.pl' every time I do an update? |
| 10:54:59 | dongs | linuxstb: by 'ARM's' i meant the company. |
| 10:55:07 | LinusN | infamis: because you changed it |
| 10:55:10 | dongs | i tihnk they have armulator and some other stuff in latest rvct. |
| 10:55:17 | dongs | but that is hardly opensores. |
| 10:55:20 | infamis | shouldn't it overwrite it? |
| 10:55:25 | LinusN | absolutely not |
| 10:55:28 | dongs | linuxstb: know of any arm9 sim that actually works? |
| 10:55:32 | LinusN | then you lose your changes |
| 10:55:43 | linuxstb | dongs: Nope - I've never looked for arm sims. |
| 10:55:57 | LinusN | that's the difference between checkout and update |
| 10:56:42 | infamis | so I specify -C to overwrite then right? |
| 10:57:36 | infamis | and even doing that it says it moved the locally modified file....then i did a make fullzip but I still get the same initial results |
| 10:59:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you sure it says it moved it, and isn't telling you to move it? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:05 | t0mas | you can also just delete it |
| 11:00:06 | t0mas | and update |
| 11:00:11 | t0mas | it will detect a problem |
| 11:00:16 | t0mas | and recreate the file |
| 11:00:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that's my usual method. rm blah, cvs update. |
| 11:00:31 | t0mas | indeed, that's what I do too :) |
| 11:00:39 | infamis | says it moved it to ".#[filename]" |
| 11:01:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And when you do a cvs update after that, no more M? |
| 11:01:23 | infamis | (Locally modified wpsbuild.pl moved to .#wpsbuild.pl.1.14) |
| 11:01:32 | infamis | then we get a U |
| 11:02:15 | t0mas | ok |
| 11:02:27 | preglow | t0mas: yo, we need more ops registered with chanserv |
| 11:02:36 | t0mas | let me check if I can do that |
| 11:02:43 | preglow | the trolling sessions are really getting boring |
| 11:02:52 | preglow | Bagder said you could |
| 11:03:02 | t0mas | haha |
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| 11:04:40 | qpt | anyone around |
| 11:04:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually |
| 11:05:01 | NVeara | HAY GUYS |
| 11:05:09 | NVeara | I HAVA A PROBLAM |
| 11:05:17 | t0mas | yeah, you do |
| 11:05:21 | t0mas | your shift key is stuck? |
| 11:05:29 | qpt | oh good one t0mas |
| 11:05:31 | NVeara | WALL |
| 11:05:33 | NVeara | YAS |
| 11:05:39 | NVeara | BUT THARAS MORA |
| 11:05:40 | qpt | he's going to say something about caps lock >O_O< |
| 11:05:42 | t0mas | and you're drunk? |
| 11:05:44 | preglow | god |
| 11:05:46 | NVeara | NO |
| 11:05:46 | preglow | ident LOLWAT |
| 11:05:48 | t0mas | or your fingers are to nig? |
| 11:05:48 | NVeara | LISTAN |
| 11:05:50 | NVeara | SAA |
| 11:05:54 | NVeara | WHAN YOU DO THAT |
| 11:05:58 | NVeara | IT MAKAS IT |
| 11:06:00 | NVeara | HARD TO CHAT |
| 11:06:06 | preglow | NVeara: no caps, please |
| 11:06:08 | preglow | and shut up too |
| 11:06:08 | NVeara | ANYWAYS |
| 11:06:10 | qpt | enter != punctuation |
| 11:06:15 | NVeara | I INSTALLAD ROCKBOX |
| 11:06:17 | * | t0mas feels a kick comming in 10 seconds |
| 11:06:20 | Kick | (#rockbox NVeara :preglow) by preglow!n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow |
| 11:06:22 | preglow | sooner |
| 11:06:25 | t0mas | ghehe |
| 11:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was gonna say "waiting that long?" |
| 11:06:45 | t0mas | ok, let me search what these access levels mean here |
| 11:06:58 | preglow | take your time, we've got the problem covered for now anyway ;) |
| 11:07:05 | t0mas | :) |
| 11:07:05 | qpt | oh i see |
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| 11:07:17 | qpt | he told me in /msg he has a virus or something. the letter e maps to the letter a |
| 11:07:20 | qpt | and he can't turn off caps |
| 11:07:24 | * | qpt shrugs |
| 11:07:31 | NVeara | PLAASA |
| 11:07:35 | NVeara | HALP |
| 11:07:40 | t0mas | try #freenode |
| 11:07:42 | qpt | do you have any anti-virus software? |
| 11:07:42 | t0mas | or a staffer |
| 11:07:47 | t0mas | but please don't bother us with this shit |
| 11:07:50 | NVeara | I INSTALLAD ROCKBOX |
| 11:07:53 | t0mas | as I don't even believe you |
| 11:07:55 | NVeara | AND SHIT HIT THA FAN |
| 11:07:55 | infamis | lol I can actually understand him/her |
| 11:08:03 | preglow | qpt: sounds very "likely" |
| 11:08:21 | Mode | "#RockBox +b *!*@149.9.0.25 " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 11:08:21 | Kick | (#rockbox NVeara :t0mas) by t0mas!n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas |
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| 11:08:30 | t0mas | have fun |
| 11:09:17 | scorche | well then... |
| 11:09:36 | qpt | that was kind of mean |
| 11:09:38 | qpt | he really needed help |
| 11:10:12 | petur | like getting his pc cleaned first? |
| 11:10:13 | preglow | yes he does |
| 11:10:20 | t0mas | he should ask some freenode staffer |
| 11:10:27 | qpt | well its a rockbox problem apparently |
| 11:10:32 | qpt | i dunno i think you just handled it poorly |
| 11:10:38 | LinusN | t0mas: why ban him? he obviously needed help, but his english skills was bad |
| 11:10:53 | t0mas | what? you believe his caps problem is comming from rockbox?? |
| 11:11:12 | t0mas | he obviously has some problem, but I don't think we're the ones to help him... |
| 11:11:37 | LinusN | we could have helped him with his rockbox problems |
| 11:11:52 | Mode | "#RockBox -b *!*@149.9.0.25 " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 11:12:01 | t0mas | you can try |
| 11:12:47 | preglow | i'm going to start shooting people some day in the future |
| 11:13:20 | t0mas | ok, tell me when and where you start |
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| 11:13:26 | qpt | NVeara: just curious. If you can't type e's apparently, how did you change to this nick? |
| 11:13:55 | NVeara | I HAD THIS NICK BAFORA I GOT THIS PROBLAM |
| 11:13:59 | scorche | qpt: many clients have a default nick |
| 11:14:05 | petur | HALLA :D |
| 11:14:11 | markun | NVeara just told me he downloaded rockbox from some kind of port site.. :) |
| 11:14:15 | markun | porn |
| 11:14:15 | t0mas | NVeara: try rebooting your pc |
| 11:14:27 | preglow | let's cater to the trolls, please |
| 11:14:28 | preglow | let's do that |
| 11:14:32 | NVeara | IT'S NOT A PC IT'S A MAC |
| 11:14:37 | t0mas | reboot it anyway :P |
| 11:14:49 | t0mas | btw... virus in a mac? sounds unlikely... |
| 11:14:50 | NVeara | OKAY |
| 11:14:51 | preglow | ooh, a mac virus now :P |
| 11:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | NVeara: "PC" stands for "Personal Computer" and by the definitions of those words, even my MP3 player is technically a PC. Y'know. If you want to get technical. |
| 11:15:00 | preglow | those don't exist, so it's impossible!!! |
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| 11:15:07 | * | t0mas has seen to much of these things to believe is |
| 11:15:09 | t0mas | *it |
| 11:15:51 | scorche | macs are just as vulnerable to virii as windows is....if not more....however, the only way i can see him getting infected, is if a "friend" did it as a joke |
| 11:16:18 | t0mas | yeah, or he actually did download some trojan-ed rockbox setup |
| 11:16:31 | petur | since when do porn sites offer rockbox? |
| 11:16:35 | scorche | i doubt any dl-ed trojan would be amac ver |
| 11:16:43 | * | petur wants to see the WPS'ses they include ;) |
| 11:16:48 | scorche | lol |
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| 11:17:04 | markun | petur: I have the link for you, but it reloads very nasty porn all the time. |
| 11:17:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then a self-extracting zip for Rockbox? |
| 11:17:35 | markun | Didn't see that |
| 11:17:37 | petur | markun: nah... not at work please.... not at home either :P |
| 11:17:42 | scorche | and also, it can be hard to type very fast when you have to keep reminding yourself to type e instead of a....memory acts that way =) |
| 11:17:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: I'm just trying to guess. |
| 11:18:04 | scorche | errr....other way around |
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| 11:18:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah, but you could script that behaviour pretty easily into a client. |
| 11:18:31 | scorche | true |
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| 11:19:07 | scorche | however, most people that know how to script things like that wont pull that crap |
| 11:19:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | And suddenly it's a tor session instead of an IP? |
| 11:19:16 | scorche | lol |
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| 11:20:14 | scorche | however, his name (on the box) is discrediting |
| 11:20:26 | scorche | "n=LOLWAT" |
| 11:21:00 | petur | markun should understand what that means :) |
| 11:21:06 | petur | lol wat |
| 11:21:08 | qpt | petur lol!!! |
| 11:21:11 | qpt | oh wait, i don't get it |
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| 11:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic, hardeep: As I'm not sure who to leave this message for, it seems the logs are a good enough place. Seeking outside the buffer (at least on FLAC, on H120) causes it to change to the next track (for example, 6 minutes into an 8-minute FLAC) |
| 11:24:22 | preglow | i think that's a linuxstb problem |
| 11:24:41 | preglow | oh, right, not flac specific |
| 11:24:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably not flac specific, no. |
| 11:25:19 | Mikachu | you can make the codec buffer smaller and try on mp3/ogg |
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| 11:26:04 | beta | lol |
| 11:26:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I could also just encode a whole CD to a single MP3. I just haven't done any real testing yet. |
| 11:27:01 | Mikachu | that would work too |
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| 11:31:14 | beta | can rockbox ruin my ipod? |
| 11:31:46 | preglow | beta: anything can happen, but it hasn't happened yet, and it's very unlikely |
| 11:32:04 | beta | ive heard that installing firware on embedded devices can turn them into paperweights |
| 11:32:04 | beta | as happened with putting linux on my ipaq |
| 11:32:04 | beta | i ended up with a $500 paperweight |
| 11:32:10 | | Nick beta is now known as elisabeta (n=beta@cpe-071-070-170-069.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 11:32:23 | infamis | yeah! $l =~ s/^(.*)\r$/$1/g; |
| 11:32:37 | infamis | fixedit |
| 11:32:47 | preglow | modding your ipod is almost foolproof |
| 11:32:49 | infamis | damn cygwin |
| 11:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | elisabeta: The thing is, Rockbox doesn't actually flash anything. It's just stored on disk, and can be removed with Apple's restore utility safely even if your iPod is at the point where a traditional firmware would've "bricked" it, because Apple has a loader that then loads our software, and that loader is never touched. |
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| 11:33:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | traditional firmware _modification_ rather |
| 11:34:56 | elisabeta | so it's just a module? |
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| 11:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know exactly what you mean by that. |
| 11:35:21 | infamis | turns out my cygwin install was set up in dos mode...and those carriage returns weren't filtered out while reading in WPSLIST...so I just added: $l =~ s/^(.*)\r$/$1/g; after the my $l = $_; |
| 11:36:03 | infamis | I compared a cvs update with a download from the viewcvs.cgi script |
| 11:36:09 | elisabeta | well, i dont know much about ipods... But, if its running some sort of quasi os that supports dynamic loading of programs... hence a module |
| 11:37:04 | elisabeta | this happens with the palm, occasionally i add an app that causes a reboot loop, whiich is annoying, but theres a reset method that can prevent anything other than the core os from loading, to break out of the reset loop |
| 11:37:17 | elisabeta | does the ipod have a way to reset in a similar fashion? |
| 11:37:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | elisabeta: The problem is the term "firmware" really. In the case of the iPod, it's not actually firmware. Their loader loads their software from a hidden partition, and their operating system then runs. We put our own bootloader their. Theirs loads ours, ours loads Rockbox as the OS instead. There's not really a core OS, so much as a bootloader that can also serve as a disk-mode in an emergency. |
| 11:37:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:37:56 | elisabeta | cool |
| 11:38:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if anything goes wrong, you force it to reboot into the Disk Mode, and just have the Apple Restore tool rebuild the hidden partition clean, and your iPod's in factory condition. |
| 11:39:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | The absolute worst-case scenario is having to reformat the ipod fully, losing music, but in most cases you can use our tools to restore a file, bootpartition.bin, that should be saved from the installation process. |
| 11:39:54 | elisabeta | thats good news |
| 11:40:45 | elisabeta | i'll hsve to give it a spin.gif. i have an older ipod, it's a 20gig, kind of big, maybe it's a 2nd revision |
| 11:41:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | We don't have support for 1st through 3rd generation iPods yet, unfortunately. No devs around with one to get it working. |
| 11:41:11 | Zagor | Cassandra: regarding your letter to at&t. wasn't there also an ambiguity in the license text that could be interpreted as to give us permission to distribute the voices? |
| 11:41:23 | infamis | well, if anyone didn't notice what I've said above, end-of-line carriage returns need to be filtered out when reading in wpslist |
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| 11:42:37 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 11:42:50 | Jungti1234 | http://service.iriver.co.kr/cs_down_ok.asp?path=1&idx=655&p_name=E10 |
| 11:42:51 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 11:43:00 | Jungti1234 | e10 manual |
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| 11:43:38 | petur | in an exe... damn iriver |
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| 11:45:09 | Jungti1234 | he |
| 11:45:11 | Jungti1234 | why? |
| 11:45:28 | Jungti1234 | http://cafe.naver.com/irivere10/50 http://cafe.naver.com/irivere10/49 |
| 11:45:31 | petur | 1. viruses? |
| 11:45:48 | petur | 2. windows only |
| 11:45:53 | Jungti1234 | right.. |
| 11:46:15 | Jungti1234 | See the address. |
| 11:46:43 | Jungti1234 | It's 'rar' file. |
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| 12:00:42 | petur | Massa seems upset that I closed his request to have non-lcd remotes enable main lcd backlight |
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| 12:01:13 | petur | wants it re-opened for discussion |
| 12:01:54 | preglow | i don't think there's anything to discuss |
| 12:02:17 | petur | or shall I turn it into a feature request? |
| 12:02:22 | preglow | why would anyone want the remote to flash the backlight on the main unit? |
| 12:02:42 | petur | his specific use/setup.... |
| 12:03:11 | markun | preglow: maybe if the buttons on the unit don't work anymore |
| 12:03:36 | preglow | that's something of a special case... |
| 12:03:47 | preglow | i don't think we should cater to every possible scenario out there |
| 12:04:03 | preglow | the case for 99.9% of all users is that they use the remote because the main unit is somewhere they can't reach it |
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| 12:04:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: The only theoretical I can see is in-car use. The unit sits in a cup holder other than the nearest one, the non-LCD remote is somewhere closer to the driver. |
| 12:06:23 | petur | he explains it here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5223 |
| 12:07:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still think that's a very special case. You really *shouldn't* be looking at it while driving anyway, as that's unsafe. ;-) |
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| 12:22:57 | tucoz | many |
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| 12:26:36 | * | linuxstb wonders why DAPs are starting to support Macromedia Flash... |
| 12:27:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clearly so I can watch Strongbad Emails on them. |
| 12:27:46 | PaulJam__ | i wonder why browsers are supporting flash |
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| 12:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder why they add features like Flash, and an infrared ability to control various TVs, rather than say, an actual equalizer. |
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| 12:42:24 | dongs | my phone uses flash as main menu |
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| 12:43:58 | muesli|delhi | we have bots :D |
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| 13:03:33 | JdGordon | speaking of ir tv... how hard would it be to make a plugin that can record and control the tv with ir codes..? |
| 13:04:20 | dongs | wihch device has IR codes? |
| 13:04:23 | dongs | er IR eye |
| 13:04:38 | pjo | Hello |
| 13:04:41 | dongs | hi |
| 13:04:43 | dongs | youre back. |
| 13:05:05 | pjo | I am trying to install RockBox onto the iPod which already has iPoslinux |
| 13:05:16 | pjo | Windows |
| 13:05:31 | pjo | Loader newest version |
| 13:05:49 | pjo | Could anyone give me instructions how to do it ? |
| 13:06:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | pjo: If you're using loader 1, you'll have to remove it first. |
| 13:06:26 | dongs | i think the loader already looks for rockbox.ipod |
| 13:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Iriver E10, or something. |
| 13:06:31 | dongs | so all you need to do is copy that |
| 13:06:36 | dongs | (just a random guess) |
| 13:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Loader2 looks for it, Loader1 doesn't. |
| 13:06:42 | pjo | dongd: i do not use Loader 1 |
| 13:06:46 | dongs | < pjo> Loader newest version |
| 13:07:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, they're both iPodLinux software, not ours. |
| 13:07:02 | dongs | pjo: then copy rockbox.ipod to / |
| 13:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | But loader2 should pick it up if you just extract the rockbox archive into the fat32 partition, I believe |
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| 13:07:44 | pjo | rockbox.ipod should be in FAT32 or ext3 ? |
| 13:07:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | fat32 |
| 13:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder |
| 13:08:08 | pjo | that seems very easy |
| 13:08:09 | dongs | and .rockbox dir |
| 13:08:16 | dongs | then do it already. |
| 13:08:24 | pjo | wait |
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| 13:08:37 | Mikachu | pjo: you can do it more complicated if that makes you feel better |
| 13:08:52 | pjo | what should go into rockbox.ipod and what to .rockbox ? |
| 13:09:07 | dongs | them. |
| 13:09:11 | dongs | rockbox.ipod = the file. |
| 13:09:15 | dongs | .rockbox = the dir. |
| 13:09:19 | pjo | ok |
| 13:09:25 | dongs | they're in daily builds. |
| 13:09:32 | dongs | you probably want the fonts build too. |
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| 13:09:57 | pjo | how do I boot into RockBox, or Apple, or iPodLinux ? |
| 13:10:02 | dongs | reset |
| 13:10:05 | dongs | and loader will give you achoice. |
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| 13:10:10 | pjo | ok |
| 13:10:30 | pjo | where can I find info on fonts building ? |
| 13:10:55 | Mikachu | fonts build is a noun, you just download it |
| 13:11:17 | pjo | thanks |
| 13:11:32 | Jungti1234 | who have X5? |
| 13:11:52 | pjo | has anyone tried this tripple boot before ? and how did it go ? |
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| 13:12:01 | dongs | pjo: just fucking do it |
| 13:12:02 | dongs | and let us know |
| 13:12:03 | dongs | thanks |
| 13:12:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs, lighten up |
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| 13:12:32 | pjo | ok then I have to back up FAT32 and ext3 partitions |
| 13:12:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | pjo: We can only really support our bootloader. Really if you need more help with it, you should try contacting someone who's familiar with specific ipodlinux bootloader. |
| 13:12:39 | dongs | pjo: and if it doesnt work you can complain to your smoking coworkers tomorrow during the usual boss-complaining hour about your new paperweight |
| 13:13:34 | pjo | after backing up the entire partions to DVD-RAM I will try this and report to you |
| 13:13:40 | dongs | LOL. DVD-RAM. |
| 13:13:44 | dongs | are you a troll? |
| 13:14:03 | B4gder | dongs, please shutup |
| 13:14:19 | markun | dongs: wow, you're even more grumpy than usual |
| 13:14:42 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 13:14:46 | markun | Jungti1234: hi |
| 13:14:47 | tucoz | B4gder, I am itching to commit the iCatcher stuff. Do I have your clearance to do that? |
| 13:14:48 | dongs | dongs more like ddongs |
| 13:15:04 | B4gder | tucoz: I think so |
| 13:15:24 | Jungti1234 | hi, what happen? |
| 13:15:29 | dongs | Jungti1234: do you know 1818? |
| 13:15:32 | Jungti1234 | yeah |
| 13:15:40 | dongs | that describes 90% of people in this channel |
| 13:15:51 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 13:15:52 | tucoz | ok. is it just the WPSLIST file that defines the themes now? |
| 13:16:03 | Jungti1234 | Slang... |
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| 13:17:07 | JdGordon | speaking of annoying bugs... any1 wanna commit my patch to fix some major bugs in text editor? |
| 13:17:25 | dongs | JdGordon: i'd like to report a bug, editing text with 5 buttons is hard2do |
| 13:17:39 | JdGordon | (y) dongs |
| 13:17:55 | TheD | Hi, can anyone tell me if the VMware Development Platform is set up by default to make patched builds? |
| 13:18:09 | dongs | i dont see why not |
| 13:18:13 | Mikachu | "patch" is included |
| 13:18:15 | dongs | unless its missing patch for some reason |
| 13:18:18 | dongs | so yea |
| 13:18:27 | markun | dongs: there are even people who use 1 button (and morse) :) |
| 13:18:31 | TheD | thanks |
| 13:18:45 | dongs | markun: i couldnt even figure out how to edit settings filename. |
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| 13:19:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: I assume then that you didn't read the FAQ. |
| 13:19:03 | dongs | i even tried, too. |
| 13:19:11 | * | petur waits for the hint about usbotg |
| 13:19:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as the text input controls are explained in it. |
| 13:19:16 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: nope, i was on the shitter bored and didnt feel like reading the faq |
| 13:19:28 | markun | dongs: yes, I also avoid the vkeyboard |
| 13:19:40 | dongs | markun: there are some other choices? or what |
| 13:19:51 | dongs | 'vkeyboard' is nasty from usability point of view. |
| 13:20:05 | JdGordon | so come up with a better version... |
| 13:20:08 | PaulJam | btw, is there a reason why the morse input was mapped to play+a-b instead of just a-b in the virtual keyboard? |
| 13:20:10 | dongs | how about using dasher |
| 13:20:10 | dongs | :D |
| 13:20:21 | PaulJam | (on h300) |
| 13:20:23 | dongs | dasher + wheel would be hot |
| 13:20:29 | JdGordon | dasher? |
| 13:20:32 | markun | dongs: I don't think there's another way. Usually just press save and don't change the filename. |
| 13:20:33 | dongs | ya |
| 13:20:38 | dongs | markun: well yea |
| 13:20:39 | dongs | i knew that. |
| 13:20:43 | dongs | i wantead to change it though |
| 13:20:54 | dongs | JdGordon: http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/Debian/m68k/x11/dasher_3.2.13-1_m68k.deb.10785250.html |
| 13:20:57 | dongs | what the FUCK |
| 13:20:59 | dongs | nevr mind that url |
| 13:21:01 | dongs | er |
| 13:21:11 | dongs | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ |
| 13:21:12 | dongs | this. |
| 13:21:38 | markun | dong and his debian propaganda :) |
| 13:21:59 | dongs | why would i promote debian i dont even run lunix |
| 13:22:15 | markun | dongs: ah, I remember that dasher project |
| 13:22:17 | dongs | yea |
| 13:22:18 | markun | The demo looked nice |
| 13:22:29 | dongs | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/images/newdasher.gif |
| 13:22:45 | B4gder | I don't think many people run lunix |
| 13:22:56 | preglow | i run n00bix |
| 13:23:03 | tucoz | me too :) |
| 13:23:10 | tucoz | and I like it |
| 13:23:16 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:23:27 | markun | And the OS I use is believed to be dead by many.. |
| 13:23:38 | preglow | i just believe it to be crap |
| 13:23:45 | B4gder | markun: GEOS on the C64? ;-P |
| 13:23:47 | preglow | did i say believe? |
| 13:23:48 | preglow | i meant know |
| 13:24:43 | markun | :) |
| 13:24:46 | tucoz | GEOS, that was an OS on a stick right? |
| 13:24:48 | dongs | so |
| 13:24:54 | dongs | status of getting dasher input for rockbox? |
| 13:25:17 | JdGordon | 0..? |
| 13:25:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: I dunno, how far along are you? |
| 13:25:30 | tucoz | I think I have an old cartridge with GEOS actually |
| 13:25:35 | markun | dongs: you are the first one to come up with the idea |
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| 13:25:41 | dongs | markun: orly, lemme patent it |
| 13:25:52 | dongs | markun: you think it would be useful or what |
| 13:26:12 | dongs | i mean it only needs up/down (wheel) and 'fast forward' to move the stuff. |
| 13:26:16 | dongs | and maybe a menu with some other keys |
| 13:26:18 | dongs | or somethign. |
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| 13:26:22 | markun | could be. Although 2D navigation is better for dasher than just the 1D wheel I think |
| 13:26:25 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 13:26:26 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 13:26:36 | dongs | hi |
| 13:26:51 | Jungti1234 | Whom did speak '1818'? |
| 13:26:52 | dongs | Dasher is free software< that means you can rip th sores and claim you wrote it |
| 13:26:56 | dongs | < |
| 13:27:19 | petur | no you can't |
| 13:27:23 | markun | dongs can |
| 13:27:30 | dongs | i can and i do, on a daily basis |
| 13:27:42 | dongs | the only problem is most of open sores code is total shit and needs complete rewriting |
| 13:27:48 | tucoz | Doesn't dasher include some sort of word database as well? |
| 13:28:00 | dongs | tucoz: yes, you can train it on any text source. |
| 13:28:08 | dongs | or can use a default one like dictionary or something. |
| 13:28:20 | petur | I think dasher would need as many cursor clicks as the vkeyboard |
| 13:28:33 | dongs | if you use the wheel to do up/.down in dasher |
| 13:28:39 | dongs | and say center button to zoom in |
| 13:28:43 | dongs | it would be less. |
| 13:28:44 | dongs | maybe |
| 13:28:44 | dongs | i duno |
| 13:28:50 | dongs | at least it looks better than vkeyboard. |
| 13:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems like it'd only be beneficial to iPod users. |
| 13:28:58 | dongs | well obviously |
| 13:29:04 | dongs | who cares about all the other stuff. |
| 13:29:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, most of the developers here. |
| 13:29:20 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 13:29:24 | dongs | Jungti1234: hi |
| 13:29:29 | Jungti1234 | Who did speak '1818'? |
| 13:29:31 | dongs | Jungti1234: I DID |
| 13:29:34 | Jungti1234 | why? |
| 13:29:39 | amiconn | LinusN? |
| 13:29:50 | dongs | Jungti1234: some people in here could be classified as that. |
| 13:30:20 | Jungti1234 | You know its meaning. |
| 13:30:25 | dongs | sure. |
| 13:30:41 | Jungti1234 | And it doesn't speak at random. |
| 13:30:42 | petur | Jungti1234, tell us too ;) |
| 13:30:49 | dongs | ya ya. |
| 13:30:59 | * | dongs crawls back into an oven |
| 13:31:26 | Jungti1234 | May I speak 'Son of bitch' here at random? |
| 13:31:33 | markun | :) |
| 13:32:04 | dongs | certainly |
| 13:32:29 | dongs | if you say 'shit' in an irc channel and nobody is around to read it, does it still get transmitted over the network? |
| 13:32:51 | tucoz | what is 1818 anyway? |
| 13:33:00 | dongs | Jungti1234: pay attention |
| 13:33:01 | dongs | er |
| 13:33:03 | dongs | tucoz: pay attention |
| 13:33:08 | dongs | to the conversation. |
| 13:33:16 | * | petur votes for the creation of the #rockbox_impolite_users channel |
| 13:33:23 | tucoz | I am. But I don't know what it means |
| 13:33:26 | markun | tucoz: Jungti1234 frased his answer as a question |
| 13:33:31 | tucoz | I see |
| 13:33:37 | dongs | #rockbox-oven |
| 13:33:37 | markun | phrased? |
| 13:33:40 | markun | hm.. |
| 13:33:41 | dongs | (suggested name) |
| 13:34:36 | Jungti1234 | http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/korean.htm see it |
| 13:35:05 | Jungti1234 | Shibal = 18, Fuck |
| 13:35:21 | tucoz | I get it |
| 13:35:53 | tucoz | dongs is a Net mejo ;) |
| 13:36:10 | petur | NVeara got banned for less :P |
| 13:36:23 | dongs | his key was stuck |
| 13:36:27 | dongs | you heartless bastard |
| 13:36:43 | Jungti1234 | http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/ |
| 13:37:09 | petur | dongs: read what I wrote: he got banned for less |
| 13:37:11 | markun | Yes, he was only trying to remove a virus from his mac that was cause by installing rockbox from a porn site |
| 13:37:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:37:43 | ravon | rofl |
| 13:37:49 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:37:55 | markun | poor guy |
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| 13:40:51 | LinusN | amiconn: yes? |
| 13:41:55 | dongs | evne with bytecoder interpreter enabled freetype still manages to fuck the hinting |
| 13:42:06 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/dumped_fail.png |
| 13:42:10 | dongs | check that horror out |
| 13:42:20 | dongs | 6 and 8 is screwed |
| 13:43:55 | __guillaume__ | hello all |
| 13:44:16 | dongs | hi |
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| 13:44:43 | __guillaume__ | i have a little problem with rockbox on a iaudio X5 and the voice possibility |
| 13:45:32 | __guillaume__ | when i play an mp3 and i hold the select button to go back to the file menu the iaudio crash |
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| 13:46:26 | __guillaume__ | maybe because the audio periferique is occuped |
| 13:46:48 | __guillaume__ | is there any possibility to stop the song ? |
| 13:47:54 | LinusN | __guillaume__: eh? of course you can stop the song |
| 13:48:07 | petur | __guillaume__: it shouldn't, voice should get mixed into the song |
| 13:48:20 | petur | it shouldn't crash, I mean |
| 13:48:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | __guillaume__: When did you download your copy of rockbox? |
| 13:49:39 | Moos | LinusN: I guess he want to tell auto stop the music by voice system, temporary until the things will be fixed |
| 13:49:52 | LinusN | ah |
| 13:50:00 | __guillaume__ | i have the build of the 05/11/2006 |
| 13:50:07 | __guillaume__ | thx Moos :p |
| 13:50:13 | Moos | np :) |
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| 13:51:31 | Moos | LinusN: voicing isn't fully ready for iaudios, right? |
| 13:51:33 | LinusN | __guillaume__: does it happen every time? |
| 13:51:43 | __guillaume__ | yes |
| 13:52:19 | LinusN | Moos: should work just as well for iaudio as for the other platforms |
| 13:52:51 | __guillaume__ | and when a song is in pause we can't hear the voice but the iaudio didn't crash |
| 13:53:05 | preglow | t0mas: figured out chanop stuff? |
| 13:53:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, voice can't play when paused. But it shouldn't freeze when not paused. |
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| 13:53:37 | Moos | LinusN: ok, never really tried it yet with X5 |
| 13:53:57 | __guillaume__ | with my build it freeze... maybe i have doing something wrong... |
| 13:53:59 | ABondar_de | hello all |
| 13:55:00 | Moos | LinusN: btw, did you see all the great things on the X5 front, dual-boot, recording, FM Radio ? |
| 13:55:26 | LinusN | yes i did |
| 13:56:03 | ABondar_de | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364 |
| 13:56:48 | amiconn | LinusN: Q uestion regarding target tree - are the traget tree paths added to the -I paths even if TARGET_TREE isn't defined? |
| 13:57:04 | Moos | LinusN: what are your thought about? I know iaudio isn't a priority for you during the freeze, but... |
| 13:57:24 | LinusN | amiconn: they are set in the configure script, regardless of TARGET_TREE |
| 13:57:33 | amiconn | Ah, nice |
| 13:57:52 | amiconn | That allows gradual migration to target tree then |
| 13:57:56 | ABondar_de | can somebody commit that patch? (does anybody looks for new pathes or is it better to tell about new ones on IRC?) |
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| 14:01:54 | preglow | that should indeed be commited |
| 14:01:57 | preglow | and more like it |
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| 14:02:11 | preglow | i think bger was going to fix it, be he seems to have vanished |
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| 14:02:40 | JdGordon | help.. how do i join 3 files with unix join without writing to an intermediate file? |
| 14:02:54 | B4gder | cat fil1 file2 fil3 > mooo |
| 14:03:37 | amiconn | LinusN: I am planning to write a proper driver for the coldfire audio interface. Want to do it the proper way. Would it be correct to put the driver itself into firmare/target/coldfire/ and some more specific definitions (like the iis channel used for playback etc) firmare/target/coldfire/iaudio/x5 , firmare/target/coldfire/iriver/h120 etc? |
| 14:03:41 | JdGordon | i need to join the three files by one of the items int he file.. |
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| 14:05:18 | dongs | what? |
| 14:05:20 | dongs | what 3 files |
| 14:05:48 | dongs | you mean like |
| 14:05:53 | dongs | cat lol hi file > dongs.txt? |
| 14:05:59 | markun | dongs: no |
| 14:06:37 | markun | pay attention |
| 14:06:48 | dongs | 21:02 < JdGordon> help.. how do i join 3 files with unix join without writing to an intermediate file? |
| 14:06:52 | dongs | wtf is a 'unix join' |
| 14:06:55 | markun | 14:02 < B4gder> cat fil1 file2 fil3 > mooo |
| 14:06:58 | petur | amiconn: do we need this for 3.0? |
| 14:08:17 | amiconn | petur: I think so. Currently some strange things happen if you have voice enabled and enter the recording screen |
| 14:08:19 | markun | dongs: don't know, never used it. http://www.mediacollege.com/cgi-bin/man/page.cgi?topic=join |
| 14:08:49 | amiconn | ...or if you enter radio, leave with radio playing, then enter recording and leave again |
| 14:09:23 | dongs | looks like one of those lunix utilities that you wll never use but it still takes up disk space |
| 14:09:30 | dongs | and im serious too. |
| 14:09:46 | JdGordon | yup |
| 14:09:50 | preglow | anyone started to think on what wpses to bundle yet? |
| 14:09:53 | JdGordon | thats about right |
| 14:10:06 | JdGordon | preglow: ajant blue :D |
| 14:10:47 | markun | preglow: maybe icatcher as default and the current default renamed to simple.wps? |
| 14:10:58 | petur | LinusN: are you going to let h300 boot rockbox on AC power insert? |
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| 14:12:12 | amiconn | LinusN? |
| 14:12:45 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:13:16 | amiconn | ? :ambiguous answer: :/ |
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| 14:15:55 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 14:16:05 | markun | bye Jungti |
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| 14:16:58 | preglow | markun: where can i get those, again? |
| 14:18:43 | amiconn | preglow: I was finally able to solve my x11 problems. Guess what? The debian mirror I used was incomplete(!!) Switched to the main ftp server, installed the missing driver modules and fonts |
| 14:19:36 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, it would be correct |
| 14:19:55 | preglow | amiconn: hah |
| 14:19:58 | preglow | amiconn: what mirror was that? |
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| 14:21:11 | LinusN | what do we really want to call the joystick button on the iriver and x5 targets? |
| 14:21:13 | markun | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5297 |
| 14:21:26 | LinusN | is "navi" an iriver specific term? |
| 14:21:47 | preglow | i like "select" :/ |
| 14:22:01 | LinusN | i know "select" is rockbox specific, i made that up when i defined the iriver keys ages ago |
| 14:22:09 | ABondar_de_ | it is called "NAVI" |
| 14:22:13 | ABondar_de_ | (iriver) |
| 14:22:14 | markun | navi is writen on the button |
| 14:22:15 | LinusN | on x5 too? |
| 14:22:16 | preglow | the fact that this wps is for all targets really tickles me |
| 14:22:27 | preglow | it looks a bit too much like the ipod one for my taste, but it's by no means bad |
| 14:22:28 | amiconn | preglow: ftp.de.debian.org |
| 14:22:34 | preglow | amiconn: that's really ugly... |
| 14:22:36 | LinusN | there is no "navi" text on my h140 |
| 14:22:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: It's labelled Navi on the remote, but not the H1x0 unit. |
| 14:22:51 | markun | preglow: it's just to give a better first impression |
| 14:22:53 | amiconn | LinusN: I'd say SELECT, as on H1x0 |
| 14:22:54 | dwihno | Navi is the name of the fairy in the game: "Zelda, ocarina of time" |
| 14:23:05 | LinusN | Paul_The_Nerd: "navi" on the h100 remote? |
| 14:23:17 | markun | LinusN: and on the H300 unit |
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| 14:23:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: The button that serves the same purpose is labelled that. |
| 14:23:38 | LinusN | but the h100 remote doesn't even have a joystick |
| 14:23:41 | markun | but select for the H1xx series is better I think |
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| 14:23:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Or not. Hm. I know I saw the word "Navi" somewhere before I found Rockbox. |
| 14:24:20 | LinusN | i just looked at the remotes, and you are right |
| 14:24:34 | markun | LinusN: the button/wheel is labeled navi/menu on my remote |
| 14:24:41 | * | preglow tries icatcher |
| 14:24:44 | Moos | LinusN: on X5 it's called Menu |
| 14:24:45 | XavierGr | Yes my vote goes to select too, even if I am an iriver user. |
| 14:24:55 | XavierGr | The word select can be crossplatform. |
| 14:25:06 | LinusN | i like icatcher, but i don't like that it has the song title at the bottom of the screen |
| 14:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Odd, I just looked at my remote and couldn't find "Navi" on it. But my remote is missing part of the front black plastic bit. |
| 14:25:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | My vote goes to Select as well, by the way. |
| 14:25:32 | LinusN | ok |
| 14:25:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It clarifies the purpose of the button. |
| 14:25:48 | Moos | +1 |
| 14:25:50 | preglow | i don't like that it has next: info :> |
| 14:25:52 | LinusN | also, i don't really like the icatcher shuffle icon |
| 14:26:01 | XavierGr | BTW iCatcher needed some modifications before commitment AFAIK. The author will return tomorrow from his vacation I think. |
| 14:26:03 | LinusN | preglow: does it? |
| 14:27:13 | preglow | LinusN: well, the screen shots certainly do indicate it |
| 14:28:06 | dongs | icatcher doesnt work with my font. |
| 14:28:11 | dongs | thats a show stopper as far as imn concerned; |
| 14:28:11 | dongs | :D |
| 14:28:26 | LinusN | preglow: ah, i see |
| 14:28:42 | LinusN | i only used unicatcher on the h100 |
| 14:28:51 | LinusN | and that one doesn't have it |
| 14:29:00 | JdGordon | doesnt icatcher need AA ? |
| 14:29:05 | LinusN | no |
| 14:29:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | One thing of note regarding WPSes: It seems to me they should have tags for foreground and background color, so that they can specify their own (much like they get their own backdrop and status bar status) |
| 14:29:31 | XavierGr | Linus: That's because UniCatcher uses a big font. |
| 14:29:37 | LinusN | of course |
| 14:30:20 | XavierGr | But I am pretty sure that line positions can change easily. |
| 14:32:13 | preglow | icatcher looks nicer on target than on the screenies, heh |
| 14:32:44 | jono425 | Excuse me, I was wondering if someone could tell me whether Rockbox on Archos (recorder) should be able to read an id3v2.4 tag? Mine doesn't. |
| 14:32:46 | * | linuxstb isn't a fan of the "i" prefix though... |
| 14:33:42 | dongs | how about 'j' |
| 14:33:45 | preglow | sweet lord, wps loading is slow on h1x0 :/ |
| 14:34:06 | Fujisan | hey guys i am your pal |
| 14:34:15 | Fujisan | you will love me in no time |
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| 14:35:12 | Fujisan | forget about your old tamagochi fujisan is her (>".)> |
| 14:35:13 | preglow | eh |
| 14:35:18 | preglow | what's the percent indicator in icatcher for? |
| 14:35:18 | Fujisan | here |
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| 14:35:33 | Fujisan | what is this room about btw? |
| 14:35:41 | B4gder | this is not a room |
| 14:35:49 | B4gder | and its called #rockbox |
| 14:36:18 | Fujisan | why is it not a room and what does rockbox mean? |
| 14:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is software. This is its development channel, primarily. |
| 14:37:24 | amiconn | jono425: Afaik it *should* work, however, I didn't try it myself. I only use id3v2.3 |
| 14:38:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Battery level? |
| 14:38:51 | amiconn | jono425: What happens exactly, btw? |
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| 14:39:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a %bl tag right before the only % sign I see on its own, but I suck at reading .wps so I could be wrong |
| 14:39:05 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i thought that gauge in the upper right corner was the battery level |
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| 14:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the %s in the screenshots seem to line up with it fairly well. Apparently it's just covering all its bases. |
| 14:39:58 | Fujisan | Can i try Rockbox plz? |
| 14:40:04 | preglow | Fujisan: go ahead |
| 14:40:12 | Fujisan | where? |
| 14:40:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everything's available at rockbox.org |
| 14:40:17 | preglow | Fujisan: www.rockbox.org |
| 14:40:27 | Fujisan | what does rockbox do |
| 14:40:30 | Fujisan | is it an os? |
| 14:40:30 | preglow | read |
| 14:40:32 | JdGordon | your mumma |
| 14:40:34 | preglow | just go read |
| 14:40:35 | Fujisan | linux distro |
| 14:40:40 | Fujisan | i want to guess first :D |
| 14:40:45 | B4gder | don't |
| 14:40:47 | preglow | yes, so i see |
| 14:40:47 | preglow | but read |
| 14:40:50 | Fujisan | ok |
| 14:40:51 | Fujisan | soz |
| 14:41:20 | jono425 | I use foobar2000 to tag both id3v1 and id3v2 tags. When Rockbox reads the id3v1 tags perfectly when it is set to read those first, however, none of the id3v2 tags seem to be read at all when I give them precedence in Rockbox. |
| 14:41:39 | Fujisan | oh i have an mp3 player and its not supported :'( |
| 14:41:51 | Fujisan | i have the creative zen touch ;( 20 gb |
| 14:41:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: Do other programs see the ID3v2 tags properly? |
| 14:42:33 | preglow | Fujisan: then tough luck |
| 14:43:03 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i really think that percent battery reading should go on the grounds of being utterly confusing |
| 14:43:04 | Fujisan | but what is the purpose of Rockbox? |
| 14:43:10 | Fujisan | i dont get it |
| 14:43:13 | preglow | ok |
| 14:43:20 | jono425 | Well, I have a program called AudioShell in Windows which displays tag information for files besides MP3, and it sees them correctly. |
| 14:43:24 | B4gder | Fujisan: then read the site and stop bothering us |
| 14:43:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fujisan: Everything's at the site. |
| 14:43:30 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 14:43:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I personally prefer % over a visual meter, but I do agree the % should go for that WPS. |
| 14:44:03 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: just your luck he'll have an ipod and very quickyl get acounted with the forums :D |
| 14:44:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: You're sure it's showing the v2 and not the v1? |
| 14:44:11 | Fujisan | But I really want to talk with you in person. |
| 14:44:12 | JdGordon | aquianted.. |
| 14:44:22 | amiconn | jono425: Have a short file with this type of tags that doesn't display in rockbox but does display in other programs? |
| 14:44:23 | jono425 | Winamp seems to read them fine as well |
| 14:44:35 | * | amiconn doesn't use foobar |
| 14:44:38 | jono425 | just a minute, thanks |
| 14:45:00 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 14:45:10 | daurnimator | i'm wondering what license helix mp3 decoder uses |
| 14:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurnimator: RPSL, isn't it? |
| 14:45:34 | B4gder | daurnimator: a non-compatible one |
| 14:45:37 | Fujisan | is it possible for me to download your firmware and tweak it to work on my mp3player> |
| 14:45:38 | Fujisan | ? |
| 14:45:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or something like that. |
| 14:45:50 | Fujisan | is that allowed>? |
| 14:45:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fujisan: It requires quite a bit more than "Tweaking" |
| 14:45:55 | daurnimator | so - non GPL? |
| 14:45:56 | daurnimator | S: |
| 14:45:57 | B4gder | Fujisan: yes, if you are very skilled and have lots of time |
| 14:46:05 | Fujisan | i am skilled |
| 14:46:12 | B4gder | then prove it! ;-) |
| 14:46:29 | Cassandra | B4gder, aren't you supposed to be on holiday? |
| 14:46:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fujisan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 14:46:37 | Fujisan | hmz no i will just start my own firmware project :P |
| 14:46:42 | B4gder | Cassandra: yes, in about one hour I will |
| 14:46:44 | Fujisan | thanks for the idea guys :P |
| 14:46:55 | Cassandra | amiconn, what do you use for ReplayGain if not foobar? |
| 14:47:08 | amiconn | Cassandra: I don't use replaygain at all |
| 14:47:15 | Cassandra | Fair enough. |
| 14:47:17 | amiconn | I have no use for it |
| 14:48:35 | Cassandra | You don't find having volume consistency across songs useful then? |
| 14:49:15 | amiconn | nope |
| 14:49:20 | preglow | i really don't either |
| 14:49:28 | * | JdGordon neither |
| 14:49:29 | amiconn | I'd rather listen to the songs at the intended volume |
| 14:49:36 | Fujisan | So when i port ROckbox to my platform i own the ported version? |
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| 14:49:53 | Cassandra | I'm not sure there *is* an intended volume per se. |
| 14:49:55 | linuxstb | Fujisan: You have to comply with Rockbox's license(s). |
| 14:50:19 | preglow | Fujisan: which mandates you send us your pants |
| 14:50:26 | Cassandra | No-one really owns GPLed software. That's kind of the point. |
| 14:50:55 | Cassandra | But it does come with a cast-iron money back guarantee. |
| 14:51:11 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:51:21 | Fujisan | lol |
| 14:51:41 | Zagor | Fujisan: you own your changes |
| 14:51:48 | Fujisan | but you will have to mention my name on your site :) |
| 14:51:50 | preglow | but not your pants, anymore |
| 14:52:20 | JdGordon | Fujisan: as long as u give your real name everyone is happy... :p |
| 14:52:46 | Fujisan | hmz some people call me monkey boy |
| 14:52:58 | JdGordon | heheh monkey boy |
| 14:53:04 | Cassandra | If you don't we hunt you down and kill your firstborn, just like we did to that Bluechip bastard. |
| 14:53:09 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 14:53:17 | Fujisan | but thats because i am co-founder of the Steve Ballmer fansite |
| 14:53:26 | Fujisan | =p |
| 14:53:26 | petur | glitter's in jail already :) |
| 14:53:29 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:53:38 | preglow | shouldn't the backdrop be reset when loading a new theme? |
| 14:53:44 | Cassandra | petur, the Curse of Rockbox is strong. |
| 14:53:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Yes, but it's not. :( |
| 14:53:55 | Fujisan | :( |
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| 14:54:07 | Fujisan | Paul_The_Nerd do you work for MS? |
| 14:54:09 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: word, then that's a bug |
| 14:54:11 | jono425 | amiconn: I have a short file at http://h1.ripway.com/ns5/test.mp3 |
| 14:54:40 | jono425 | I made sure it didn't work on my Rockbox. |
| 14:54:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: As I was saying, in my opinion WPSes should let you explicitly define their own foreground and background color. And if you don't define background color or backdrop image, they should default to the one you've set to the menu. At least, in my opinion. That way you can unify your look however you like. |
| 14:55:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fujisan: No, I do not. |
| 14:55:13 | preglow | well, it makes no sense for the tango backdrop to stay when i'ev set the icatcher theme |
| 14:55:34 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, I'd agree with that. |
| 14:55:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 14:55:48 | jono425 | If i go to the Show ID3 Info page, Title, Artist, Album, and Genre fields are blank; Tracknum is actually correct, and Year says "No Info" |
| 14:56:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: According to what I've got, that file only has id3v1.1, no id3v2 at all |
| 14:56:13 | Cassandra | Implementation is kind of a biatch though. |
| 14:56:25 | preglow | Cassandra: why? sounds simple enough |
| 14:56:29 | jono425 | Huh |
| 14:56:31 | Cassandra | I suppose we can change the Theme generator script to unset the backdrop. |
| 14:56:40 | Fujisan | Hmz bad news |
| 14:56:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: The file you posted does not have id3v2 tags, as far as I can tell. |
| 14:56:45 | dongs | hm nintendo DS has arm9 |
| 14:56:53 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: "file" tells me that it's an "MP3 file with ID3 version 2.4.0 tag" |
| 14:56:55 | dongs | i guess thats where i should have ripped the simulator from :( |
| 14:57:05 | Fujisan | Creative doesnt want people to develop open source firmware for their mp3 players |
| 14:57:06 | Cassandra | Well, I don't think we want generally to be replacing users backdrops unless the WPS explicitly requests it. |
| 14:57:14 | Fujisan | too bad |
| 14:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Odd. Let me open it in something else then |
| 14:57:33 | preglow | Cassandra: i pretty much feel that when you load a theme, you want the entire thing replaced |
| 14:57:42 | Cassandra | So it's not enough to clear the backdrop if you load a new WPS. |
| 14:57:55 | Cassandra | preglow, agreed, but not if you just load a WPS. |
| 14:58:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: If the WPS doesn't explicitly set a backdrop with a %X or %bg (or whatever the background color tag will be) it should just use the menu one, right? |
| 14:58:03 | preglow | Cassandra: agreed |
| 14:58:17 | jono425 | Paul_The_Nerd: Strange. When I play it in Rockbox (with id3v2 tags in precedence), my WPS does show that it has id3v2.4 tags... |
| 14:58:22 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: thats how its done now |
| 14:58:27 | dongs | i think. |
| 14:58:41 | Cassandra | I'll look into fixing the theme script so that if there's no background in the WPS it resets it. |
| 14:59:03 | Cassandra | Actually could be simpler than that. |
| 14:59:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Not entirely, no. If you switch from a WPS with to a WPS without a backdrop image, it uses the prior one, until you reboot. |
| 14:59:10 | preglow | Cassandra: wouldn't this be better solved in the theme loader? |
| 14:59:14 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: lol |
| 14:59:18 | Fujisan | Open source firmware is very unlikely because of the proprietary code that Creative have no doubt gone to great lengths to write and will want to protect. |
| 14:59:29 | Fujisan | damn |
| 14:59:32 | Fujisan | creative |
| 14:59:36 | Cassandra | Since themes can set their own backgound, we just always reset the background as part of the themes. |
| 14:59:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: Apparently it's a glitch in one of my programs. Foobar seems to see it there too. |
| 14:59:41 | Fujisan | i really wanted to do it in my spare time |
| 14:59:49 | LinusN | Fujisan: that applies to all players |
| 14:59:56 | Cassandra | preglow, I don't think so. Best to keep the theme loader as a cfg file parser. |
| 14:59:58 | B4gder | Fujisan: that didn't stop us |
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| 15:00:03 | linuxstb | Fujisan: I guess that's just talking about Creative releasing their own firmware as open source - not third-party open source firmware like Rockbox. |
| 15:00:10 | Fujisan | but isnt that hacking? |
| 15:00:14 | Cassandra | Since we can do it within the syntax of theme files, it should be fine. |
| 15:00:22 | linuxstb | Fujisan: In the traditional meaning of the word, yes. |
| 15:00:28 | LinusN | Fujisan: it's hacking indeed |
| 15:00:38 | LinusN | damn fun |
| 15:00:39 | B4gder | Fujisan: call it what you want, its making our code run on our own hardware we paid for |
| 15:00:47 | Cassandra | Although there's the downside that people need to know to put it in their theme files if they aren't autogenerated, of course. Hmm. |
| 15:00:52 | Fujisan | Ok i thought you guys did it legally not that i care :) |
| 15:00:58 | B4gder | we are 100% legal |
| 15:01:00 | Fujisan | i like to hack stuff |
| 15:01:01 | LinusN | we do it legally |
| 15:01:05 | linuxstb | Fujisan: I think you're misunderstanding the word "hacking". |
| 15:01:06 | Fujisan | oh i see |
| 15:01:11 | Fujisan | no i dont |
| 15:01:13 | Fujisan | nope |
| 15:01:33 | dongs | dsemu seems to have more or less complete arm9 core going |
| 15:01:35 | dongs | nice ~ |
| 15:01:43 | Fujisan | you are changing the proprietary firmware |
| 15:01:46 | dongs | now another 6 hours to make it fit into my project and then forget simething trivial. |
| 15:01:55 | B4gder | Fujisan: no |
| 15:01:59 | preglow | think i can unset the ipt.aol.bans? |
| 15:01:59 | LinusN | Fujisan: not at all |
| 15:02:00 | Zagor | Fujisan: no, we replace it |
| 15:02:01 | preglow | they're really old |
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| 15:02:07 | Fujisan | you write your own |
| 15:02:08 | Cassandra | Which reminds me, I noticed someone put a Doom WAD that violates LucasArts copyright on the wiki. |
| 15:02:10 | Fujisan | ok i see |
| 15:02:15 | Cassandra | Better go remove it, I suppose. |
| 15:02:17 | LinusN | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html |
| 15:02:33 | Fujisan | so you make it from scratch |
| 15:02:37 | Fujisan | thats kewl |
| 15:03:03 | Fujisan | LinusN i know what it means |
| 15:03:09 | Fujisan | my english is so si |
| 15:03:10 | Fujisan | so* |
| 15:03:12 | B4gder | preglow: most likely, yes |
| 15:03:18 | Fujisan | its not my native language |
| 15:03:26 | preglow | B4gder: i'll give it a try for good measure |
| 15:03:36 | Mode | "#RockBox -b *!*jirc*@*.ipt.aol.com " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:03:43 | Mode | "#RockBox -b *!*@ACBB8292.ipt.aol.com " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:03:44 | ravon | Anyone who knows any dynamically linked -> statically linked binaries converters? |
| 15:03:53 | Mode | "#RockBox -b *!*icechat*@*.ipt.aol.com " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:03:55 | ravon | I recalling using one that produced segfaulting binaries :/ |
| 15:03:59 | Fujisan | bad firmware can **bleep** up a player |
| 15:04:03 | Mode | "#RockBox -b *!*ju_@*.ipt.aol.com " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:04:15 | PaulJam | Cassandra: i think the problem is not the menu backdrop, but the backdrop of the wps: if you have a wps that uses a backdrop and then load a wps that has no backdrop, the backdrop of the old wps stays. i'm not sure if it would help to clear the menu backdrop in the theme.cfg. |
| 15:04:21 | ashridah | ravon: sure. 'ld'. :) |
| 15:04:23 | Fujisan | So how did you guys test the firmware without risking ruining the player? |
| 15:04:34 | Fujisan | you used somekind of virtual player? |
| 15:04:35 | dongs | i am sure a few got ruined along the way. |
| 15:04:46 | B4gder | only a few |
| 15:04:48 | jono425 | Paul_The_Nerd: my id3v2.4 files seem to be read correctly by Winamp too. I don't have any other programs to test them on. I was curious because I couldn't find any Rockbox documentation for it, and foobar2000 now tags MP3s by default with id3v2.4. I am quite content using id3v1.1 though... |
| 15:04:52 | ravon | ashridah: Too late if I only have the binary, isn't it? :) |
| 15:05:13 | ashridah | ravon: no, should still be able to convert them, afaik |
| 15:05:14 | linuxstb | Cassandra: What do you think about all the WPSs in the WpsGallery that use (C) 'ed images? e.g. the Winamp clones. |
| 15:05:20 | Fujisan | Cassandra |
| 15:05:25 | ashridah | if not, you might be able to decompose it with 'ar' or something like that, maybe. |
| 15:05:30 | Fujisan | i always wanted to say that name :) |
| 15:05:36 | Fujisan | never met a Cassandra b4 |
| 15:05:38 | Fujisan | :o |
| 15:05:40 | jono425 | AFK... |
| 15:05:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | jono425: I thought you said Rockbox was saying that they were ID3v2.4 as well. What exactly was the problem then? Tags not showing in WPS? |
| 15:06:07 | Cassandra | linuxstb, I'd say it's probably better to avoid them, but "look and feel" emulation is more of a legal grey area. |
| 15:06:09 | linuxstb | Fujisan: That depends on the target - some allow you a safe way to run code (and recover from a crash), others needed a hardware debugging tool to test code. |
| 15:06:24 | Cassandra | We're certainly not trying to pass off. |
| 15:06:46 | steveb | you know what would be cool? an audioscrobbler plugin for rockbox |
| 15:06:47 | dongs | what in the shit is 'darcs' |
| 15:07:07 | linuxstb | Cassandra: e.g. this one seems a blatent copy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Rockamp_classic I'm just wondering if they belong in the wiki. |
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| 15:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | steveb: There's a feature request, and I think a patch, in the tracker already |
| 15:07:11 | preglow | what in the shit is 'goole' |
| 15:07:12 | JdGordon | steveb: i belive there is one on flyspray |
| 15:07:12 | preglow | google too! |
| 15:07:14 | B4gder | dongs: please stop that kind of blurbs |
| 15:07:17 | steveb | seriously? |
| 15:07:23 | steveb | awesome |
| 15:07:27 | Cassandra | PaulJam, you're right. Fix probably needs to be in the WPS loader then, although again it's not trivial since you have to make sure that it doesn't erase the background unless it was put there by the last WPS loaded. |
| 15:07:40 | dongs | can someone download 'darcs get http://www.dsdeveloper.co.nz/repos/dsemu' and send it to me? |
| 15:08:02 | dongs | im not installing some random revision control system just to get to the latest sores |
| 15:08:08 | steveb | sorry, dont have darcs on this pc :-/ |
| 15:08:15 | steveb | its quite good though |
| 15:08:27 | amiconn | jono425: Hmm, tried it in the rockbox sim, tags are displayed fine |
| 15:08:46 | dongs | oh, http://www.dsdeveloper.co.nz/home/chris/www/dsdeveloper.co.nz/repos/dsemu/all.zip works too |
| 15:08:51 | amiconn | (I've XXed out the V1 tag strings with a hex editor to clearly distinguish) |
| 15:08:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: The file also has id3v1 tags - have you tested both priorities? |
| 15:08:55 | linuxstb | Ah.... |
| 15:09:12 | ravon | Seriously, the randomizer function in Winamp was written by a drunk 5-year old with DAMP. |
| 15:09:25 | amiconn | jono425: What rockbox version do you use? (should've asked that earlier) |
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| 15:10:40 | Cassandra | linuxstb: Like I said, probably not. I suspect that the Apple'a'likes are more of a problem, in that Apple might actually come after us for those. |
| 15:10:49 | amiconn | Cassandra: The wps loader could set the wps backdrop to whatever the menu backdrop is before evaluating the wps file |
| 15:11:06 | * | petur is with amiconn |
| 15:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: There's also Windows Media Player-alikes, and I think Creative Zen-alikes, right? |
| 15:11:36 | jono425 | amiconn: Rockbox 2.5, on an Archos Recorder v1. I should've mentioned it sooner. :) |
| 15:11:46 | Fujisan | oh well at least my creative mp3 player battery powns you all :P |
| 15:11:52 | Fujisan | 24 hours :o |
| 15:11:53 | preglow | heheh yes :D |
| 15:11:58 | amiconn | jono425: Try a cvs build. It has loads of fixes compared to 2.5 |
| 15:12:02 | Cassandra | LinusN: I've hid the Star Wars file, but I can't delete it from the wiki. |
| 15:12:05 | B4gder | Fujisan: yes sure, now get lost |
| 15:12:09 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:12:13 | Fujisan | no |
| 15:12:16 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, yes, I believe so. |
| 15:12:16 | Fujisan | why |
| 15:12:16 | jono425 | Paul_The_Nerd: The tags show neither in the WPS or the ID3 viewer screen, although the WPS identifies the tags as id3v2.4 |
| 15:12:17 | Fujisan | :( |
| 15:12:18 | B4gder | I mean it, or get real |
| 15:12:22 | Fujisan | B4gder why? |
| 15:12:29 | preglow | you're annoying |
| 15:12:31 | B4gder | because you are a troll and nothing else |
| 15:12:32 | Fujisan | i am glad to be here |
| 15:12:33 | jono425 | amiconn: Okay, thanks. Any recommended builds? |
| 15:12:45 | Fujisan | i think Rockbox is a great project |
| 15:12:46 | amiconn | I'd always recommend the latest |
| 15:12:48 | petur | *was glad* :D |
| 15:12:53 | Cassandra | amiconn, yeah - nice simple solution, I like it. |
| 15:13:05 | amiconn | Cassandra: KISS, you know... |
| 15:13:13 | Fujisan | can i use Rockbox as an os? |
| 15:13:23 | preglow | sweet lord |
| 15:13:34 | Fujisan | hehe sorry |
| 15:13:36 | Mode | "#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 15:13:45 | dpro | *dddrummmrrrollll* |
| 15:13:46 | Fujisan | no sorry |
| 15:13:49 | Fujisan | plz dont ban me |
| 15:14:09 | B4gder | the cut the CRAP now |
| 15:14:13 | Fujisan | ok ok |
| 15:15:02 | Cassandra | Hmmm. I think I should poke around some GUI skin sites. See what they seem to think is the legal issue. |
| 15:15:18 | Cassandra | I mean Object Desktop ships with emulations of other OSes, doesn't it? |
| 15:15:34 | jono425 | Hey, what do you know, it works. Thanks. |
| 15:16:02 | Fujisan | no really i wanted to get an iriver anyways so i can use Rockbox this is great so i can put a screen saver and read text files on my mp3 using your firmware? |
| 15:16:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | No screen saver, yes text files. |
| 15:16:39 | Fujisan | Cassandra which Os do you want |
| 15:16:52 | PaulJam | a screensaver would be quite useless on a mp3player |
| 15:16:53 | Fujisan | i am using a great app for that now |
| 15:17:05 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, in your PluginDoom update you removed the category tag.. that was unintentional, i hope..? :) |
| 15:17:12 | Cassandra | Fujisan, I'm trying to ascertain the legality of some of the "look and feel" skins for Rockbox we have in the WPS Gallery. |
| 15:17:28 | Fujisan | oh |
| 15:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I only added two lines. I don't see any removal of a category tag... |
| 15:18:17 | Cassandra | Oh yeah, speaking of legal issues, we still need a nice big "if you are a f***wit and play your DAP too loud, we will point and laugh when you go deaf" disclaimer somewhere. |
| 15:18:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, check the diff.. |
| 15:18:30 | Cassandra | Possibly phrased slightly more diplomatically than that. |
| 15:18:30 | LinusN | lol |
| 15:18:37 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:18:48 | preglow | no |
| 15:18:51 | preglow | i say we phrase it exactly like that |
| 15:18:55 | preglow | minus the asterisks |
| 15:18:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The 1.25 version of the page is still CategoryPlugin. The diff doesn't show anything removed except the bit pointing to the patch tracker. |
| 15:19:24 | Fujisan | preglow your nick looks really familliar to me which other channels/networks fo you visit? |
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| 15:19:33 | midkay | the 1.26 version.. has the CategoryPlugin removed.. |
| 15:19:34 | Cassandra | preglow, nice idea, but the disclaimer needs to be somewhere really prominent, like the main page of the website. |
| 15:19:37 | midkay | oh. |
| 15:19:42 | midkay | it was Cassandra!!! |
| 15:19:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I made the 1.25 revision though... |
| 15:19:46 | midkay | sorry Paul_The_Nerd :) |
| 15:19:58 | midkay | i saw your name on the latest-10-edits thing.. |
| 15:20:11 | Fujisan | Cassandra i bet there is a legal disclaimer wizard somewhere online |
| 15:20:17 | Fujisan | ;) |
| 15:21:10 | Cassandra | It wasn't me! You can't prove anything! |
| 15:21:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe just "Install our software at your own risk. By choosing to install it you agree to waive your rights to pursue any damages caused by this software, to the full extent of the law" and leave it at that? |
| 15:21:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something similar to that, at least. |
| 15:21:32 | linuxstb | Isn't that what the GPL states? |
| 15:21:50 | midkay | Cassandra, it's in the logs, we have it figured out. surrender. |
| 15:21:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The GPL talks about no warranty on merchantability or usability, and so on. |
| 15:22:04 | Cassandra | You'll never take me alive, copper! |
| 15:22:09 | Fujisan | lol |
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| 15:22:56 | Cassandra | I think it's just sensible to say something specific about hearing loss. I mean it is possbile that some people using Rockbox have never been told that loud music can make you deaf. Seems only fair to warn them. |
| 15:22:57 | jono425 | When someone said that Rockbox should support id3v2.4, I wondered if perhaps they had a newer CVS build. I should have tried that. Anyway, thanks for the help. |
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| 15:23:30 | dongs | then there should have been a disclaimer on front page of linux.org |
| 15:23:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Maybe in the manual, under volume, mention that volume levels above a certain threshold can permanently damage hearing, etc. |
| 15:24:07 | Fujisan | Cassandra they must be from another planet if they think that loud music is good for hearing |
| 15:24:26 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: a bit more central than that |
| 15:24:34 | linuxstb | Cassandra: Haven't they already been warned by the original DAP manufacturer, or the headphone manufacturer? I can't imagine that makers of PC audio software have the same warning... |
| 15:24:58 | t0mas | isn't this a simple case of better safe than sorry? |
| 15:25:06 | t0mas | just put it in the manual with the volume settings |
| 15:25:24 | t0mas | "Warning: Listening to music at loud volume for an extended time can damage hearing." |
| 15:25:54 | Fujisan | You guys tried the new yahoo subscription service 5 bucks a month for unlimited music? |
| 15:26:22 | LinusN | somehow i doubt that it's unlimited |
| 15:26:30 | Mode | "#RockBox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:26:39 | Fujisan | me too |
| 15:26:46 | Fujisan | i must have read it wrong lol |
| 15:26:49 | * | dpro doesn't listen to pay music anymore |
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| 15:27:11 | Mode | "#RockBox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 15:27:17 | * | B4gder commits a little shell script |
| 15:27:30 | * | LinusN does the shellscript dance |
| 15:27:38 | Fujisan | http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ |
| 15:27:47 | B4gder | still needs to apply the sh patch before it works really well |
| 15:27:51 | dongs | haha. some lunatic wrote arm9 emulator completely in x86 asm. |
| 15:27:53 | B4gder | but I have no time for that now |
| 15:27:59 | dongs | and i dont mean just the fast part. the whole thing. |
| 15:28:03 | dongs | isane. |
| 15:28:05 | dongs | +n |
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| 15:28:16 | preglow | B4gder: nicety |
| 15:28:19 | linuxstb | Fujisan: "Microsoft Windows XP or 2000" - that's a little limited... |
| 15:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unlimited... except for these limitations. |
| 15:28:32 | Mode | "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 15:28:35 | t0mas | wrong order... |
| 15:28:42 | Mode | "#RockBox -oo Mikachu XavierGr " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 15:28:46 | Mode | "#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 15:28:47 | LinusN | "Yahoo! Music does not permit copying or transferring music files to other users." |
| 15:28:50 | t0mas | tnx for your help |
| 15:29:05 | linuxstb | "Transfer your subscription songs to a number of compatible portable devices (for an additional charge)" |
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| 15:29:15 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:29:22 | t0mas | for the record: Your ops list is now: Cassandra, preglow, amiconn, lostlogic, edx, Bagder, LinusN, Zagor and me |
| 15:29:29 | Fujisan | yer that sucks but how are they going to check that :) |
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| 15:29:40 | preglow | \o/ |
| 15:29:45 | LinusN | Fujisan: drm |
| 15:29:58 | Mode | "#RockBox -o Cassandra " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 15:30:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sniffles |
| 15:30:21 | * | amiconn tries to avoid 'digital restrictions management' by all means |
| 15:30:34 | Cassandra | Right. I checked out StarDock's theme site. |
| 15:30:37 | Fujisan | oh yeah of course drm the french invention :/ |
| 15:30:58 | Cassandra | They say "don't upload copyrighted stuff. If the owner asks us to remove it, then we will." |
| 15:31:13 | Fujisan | amiconn i was looking for a way to make all my illegal stuff legal lmao |
| 15:31:14 | * | qwm yawns |
| 15:31:15 | Fujisan | ;P |
| 15:31:34 | Mode | "#RockBox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 15:31:40 | Cassandra | The power is going to my head. Bwahahaha! |
| 15:31:41 | Mode | "#RockBox -o Bagder " by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 15:31:48 | Mode | "#RockBox -o LinusN " by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 15:31:57 | Fujisan | Cassandra |
| 15:32:01 | Fujisan | good night |
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| 15:33:11 | Cassandra | Erm, goodnight? |
| 15:33:42 | Fujisan | no not me you |
| 15:33:51 | Fujisan | or at least thats what i thought |
| 15:34:00 | JdGordon | no more ops... aaawww |
| 15:34:22 | Mikachu | LinusN: that list doesn't feel like it covers all times of day |
| 15:34:36 | preglow | we've got europe covered, at least |
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| 15:34:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, ye do. |
| 15:34:48 | LinusN | lostlogic is american |
| 15:34:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or insomniac Americans. |
| 15:35:38 | Fujisan | hmz 79 cents times 10.000 = 7900 usd to get all my music legal :o |
| 15:35:46 | Fujisan | sounds like a bargain to me |
| 15:35:47 | Fujisan | :P |
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| 15:38:05 | Cassandra | It's lunchtime where I am. :) |
| 15:38:11 | lostlogic | gah, that's such an insult! :-D |
| 15:38:39 | Fujisan | oh 120 bucks a year to put all the songs you want on a mp3 player at yahoo |
| 15:38:53 | Fujisan | that is not to bad since i want to go legal now |
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| 15:41:20 | Fujisan | thats werd you wont own the songs but you are allowed to play them its like renting songs lmao |
| 15:41:22 | Fujisan | :D |
| 15:41:29 | Fujisan | thats silly |
| 15:41:41 | Fujisan | i wonder who came up with this idea |
| 15:42:16 | Cassandra | People in the music industry. |
| 15:42:25 | Cassandra | According to them you've never owned the songs anyway. |
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| 15:43:03 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:43:51 | ashridah | Cassandra: technically, copyright law came up with that idea. the media industries just exploit it |
| 15:44:35 | linuxstb | I've never seen a license agreement on a CD though, so what have I bought? |
| 15:44:49 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:44:54 | Fujisan | the right to listen to it |
| 15:44:55 | Fujisan | :P |
| 15:44:56 | Cassandra | Copyright law doesn't actually say that you don't own the thing you bought, just that you don't own the rights to its commercial exploitation. |
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| 15:44:58 | Fujisan | when you plz |
| 15:44:59 | Fujisan | ;D |
| 15:45:15 | Cassandra | I'd like to see copyright law come into line with patent law myself. |
| 15:45:18 | ashridah | linuxstb: when did you see a license agreement on the statue of david? |
| 15:45:30 | linuxstb | I've never seen the statue of david... |
| 15:45:55 | Fujisan | Cassandra wouldnt it be interesting to make music under the GPL opensource license |
| 15:46:08 | ashridah | well. granted, neither have i, but i'm willing to bet there wasn't a license agreement chiselled onto it either :) |
| 15:46:11 | Cassandra | I believe some people do. |
| 15:46:27 | linuxstb | But my point is that software always has licenses - so I know (more or less) what rights I'm buying. My music doesn't. |
| 15:46:36 | Fujisan | i believe so too but only some indie labels |
| 15:46:44 | Cassandra | These days the world'd be full of Cease and Desist notices from Michaelangelo Corp. |
| 15:47:10 | Cassandra | Those licenses are all legally unenforceable anyway. |
| 15:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly, shrinkwrap software licenses are the ones that drive me nuts. |
| 15:47:46 | Fujisan | lol |
| 15:48:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most retailers won't let you return software for your money back after you've opened them, and the license isn't available until you've taken it home and started to install. |
| 15:48:50 | Fujisan | but linuxstb you are right music doesnt come with a license |
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| 15:49:38 | Cassandra | Paul - they let me return it. |
| 15:50:02 | Cassandra | Fortunately I work at the Citizens Advice Bureau. I know UK consumer law quite well. |
| 15:50:40 | * | Cassandra returned her copy of X2 because it ran like a dog on my machine. |
| 15:50:48 | Cassandra | Hence "not fit for the intended purpose". |
| 15:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Most places here have a "you can only return it if it doesn't work, and then only in exchange for a working copy" policy in regard to anything that can be reasonably easily pirated. I mean, you *can* return it, but you have to make a larger hassle than you should. |
| 15:51:40 | Fujisan | amagawd i have a problem i bought a product online at a site from an american company , it comes with an 30 day iron-clad money back guarantee yet you need prior authorization... |
| 15:51:58 | Fujisan | but i dont have all the required hardware |
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| 15:52:07 | Cassandra | Oh, here too. It's just that legally they often can't do that. |
| 15:52:14 | steveb | there is a 14 day thing in the uk |
| 15:52:16 | t0mas | that's the fun part of it |
| 15:52:24 | Cassandra | What's not allowed is to return something because you changed your mind. |
| 15:52:30 | t0mas | at least in the Netherlands we have laws protecting online buyers |
| 15:52:45 | steveb | Cassandra: you can if you havnt opened it |
| 15:52:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: Yeah, but how do you prove you didn't just change your mind? |
| 15:52:48 | Cassandra | steveb, only for stuff bought at a distance (i.e. mail order or internet.) |
| 15:52:59 | t0mas | you can return everything you've bought without seeing it (as in: telephone, post order or internet) within 8 days |
| 15:53:02 | Fujisan | t0mas i am from the Netherlands but because i bought it from an american company the american law applies and not the dutch law |
| 15:53:07 | t0mas | with no mention of the resaon |
| 15:53:10 | Cassandra | steveb, nope. Most shops let you, but there's no legal requirement for them to do so. |
| 15:53:15 | steveb | is that right |
| 15:53:17 | steveb | never knew that |
| 15:53:20 | t0mas | Fujisan: true |
| 15:53:28 | Fujisan | :/ |
| 15:53:45 | linuxstb | t0mas: Yes, there are "distance selling" regulations in the UK as well IIUC. |
| 15:53:51 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, that's the great thing about the law. The onus is on them to prove that, not you (for the first six months after purchase anyway). |
| 15:54:09 | t0mas | jup, distance selling is a good translation of what it's called here :) |
| 15:54:31 | Fujisan | t0mas it didnt protect me so its not that great |
| 15:54:35 | Cassandra | steveb, try it with a CD sometime. The store will usually offer you store credit only. |
| 15:54:38 | Fujisan | :/ |
| 15:55:07 | Cassandra | t0mas, I think that's an EC thing. |
| 15:55:12 | Fujisan | i wish i never bought those 3 d goggles they hurt my eyes :'( |
| 15:55:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cassandra: See, any time I've come up with it here, it's involved maybe an hour+ in the store talking to higher and higher personnel until eventually it's simply not worth the wasted time for them not to refund me. Though, in their defence, I look like the sort of person who would buy a game/movie/whatever, pirate it, and then return it. I am definitely not trustworthy looking. |
| 15:55:15 | t0mas | might be extended here |
| 15:55:43 | Fujisan | t0mas i spoke to some dutch lawyers about it they couldnt help me lmao |
| 15:55:44 | Fujisan | :P |
| 15:55:51 | Cassandra | Paul_The_Nerd, well the States kind of sucks for consumer rights from what I understand. |
| 15:56:03 | t0mas | Fujisan: probably because the store declared US law to be applicable? |
| 15:56:04 | Cassandra | The UK is not great, but we have some decent consumer law. |
| 15:56:24 | Fujisan | t0mas they distribute from UK |
| 15:56:28 | Fujisan | to Europe |
| 15:56:32 | t0mas | ah ok |
| 15:56:33 | Fujisan | and i am in HOlland |
| 15:56:44 | Cassandra | Is Holland in the EC? |
| 15:56:49 | Fujisan | and it didnt even cross my mind that it was under US law |
| 15:56:51 | t0mas | it doesn't matter where you are, if the store has some terms declared :) |
| 15:56:55 | t0mas | Cassandra: duh it is... |
| 15:57:15 | Fujisan | t0mas so if i bought it from an arab country it could be under sharia terms? |
| 15:57:18 | Fujisan | :o |
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| 15:57:25 | steveb | Cassandra: i dont buy cd's that i dont like :P |
| 15:57:25 | t0mas | if they want it to... yes |
| 15:57:29 | Fujisan | :P |
| 15:58:13 | Cassandra | steveb, very sensible of you. I do sometimes. But I don't usually return them on the grounds that I take that risk when I buy them. |
| 15:58:37 | steveb | Cassandra: i just know what i like |
| 15:58:38 | * | t0mas normally just ilegally downloads music... then buy it if I like it |
| 15:58:43 | Cassandra | International Trade Agreements are tricky. |
| 15:58:57 | Fujisan | yes they are Cassandra |
| 15:58:58 | Cassandra | Basically any combination of the law in either country can apply. |
| 15:58:59 | Fujisan | i agree |
| 15:59:14 | Cassandra | That's why there's a whole bunch of specialist lawyers who deal with it. |
| 15:59:31 | Cassandra | Within the EC, EC law applies, of course. |
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| 16:01:15 | Cassandra | Anyway, fun though this has been, I have to try to find a present for my mother's 60th birthday. |
| 16:01:16 | Cassandra | Bye. |
| 16:01:18 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 16:01:42 | preglow | bbl |
| 16:02:08 | Fujisan | Bye |
| 16:02:09 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:02:15 | Fujisan | t0mas |
| 16:02:20 | Fujisan | still here :o |
| 16:02:31 | Fujisan | lets talk in dutch and drive the americans insane :D |
| 16:02:36 | t0mas | hahaha |
| 16:02:41 | t0mas | Heb ik al een keer gedaan |
| 16:02:42 | Fujisan | of niet dan :O |
| 16:02:47 | t0mas | meesten zijn trouwens geen amerikanen, maar zweden |
| 16:02:52 | Fujisan | oh echt waar |
| 16:02:54 | t0mas | ja |
| 16:02:57 | Fujisan | ah |
| 16:03:01 | t0mas | en HCl en markun spreken ook Nederlands :) |
| 16:03:01 | JdGordon | hey.. the yanks arnt the only "english" speakerss in the channel atm... |
| 16:03:06 | Fujisan | ohzo |
| 16:03:16 | Fujisan | en engelsen :D |
| 16:03:17 | XavierGr | arghhh!!! I am getting crazy (though I am european :P |
| 16:03:23 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:03:23 | t0mas | yeah |
| 16:03:32 | t0mas | just 4 to 5 american's here I guess? |
| 16:03:48 | Fujisan | ingewikkelde taal Nederlands |
| 16:03:49 | t0mas | most of the US is asleep... or preparing breakfast |
| 16:03:56 | Fujisan | ohzo |
| 16:04:27 | markun | Fujisan: english please |
| 16:04:46 | * | t0mas is waiting for San Francisco to wake up... but they're at UTC - 7 |
| 16:05:00 | t0mas | so it's 7:00 in the morning there :) |
| 16:05:41 | Fujisan | oh blah |
| 16:05:49 | Fujisan | zit er een leuk meisje op paltalk |
| 16:06:05 | Fujisan | dus ik denk ik maak een kans komt er zo'n australier :/ |
| 16:06:11 | Fujisan | he bah |
| 16:06:13 | XavierGr | Fujisan: ok you made your point |
| 16:06:14 | t0mas | please |
| 16:06:17 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:06:17 | t0mas | English |
| 16:06:35 | t0mas | and rockbox or at least ICT related... |
| 16:06:39 | Fujisan | XavierGr , Anata wa amerikan jin DesuKa? |
| 16:06:44 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:06:47 | JdGordon | what did u say about australians? |
| 16:06:51 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:06:52 | XavierGr | ie |
| 16:06:57 | t0mas | JdGordon: he met a stupid one |
| 16:07:08 | JdGordon | ok.. |
| 16:07:08 | t0mas | trying to impress a girl he liked |
| 16:07:09 | t0mas | on some chat |
| 16:07:13 | Mikachu | Fujisan: nihonjin desu ka |
| 16:07:18 | JdGordon | haha |
| 16:07:20 | Fujisan | hai |
| 16:07:35 | t0mas | JdGordon: was it you? ;) |
| 16:07:41 | JdGordon | nop |
| 16:07:51 | Fujisan | <−−- nihonjin wannabe :) |
| 16:07:56 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:07:59 | Fujisan | LOL |
| 16:07:59 | XavierGr | I don't know how Greece is in Japanese :P |
| 16:08:00 | Mikachu | watashi mo |
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| 16:08:17 | Fujisan | sumi masen |
| 16:08:52 | Fujisan | ie wakarimaska |
| 16:09:03 | Mikachu | ??? |
| 16:09:12 | Mikachu | "house do you understand"? |
| 16:09:16 | Fujisan | you dont know japanese? |
| 16:09:19 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:09:32 | Mikachu | maybe a bit better than you ;) |
| 16:09:40 | Fujisan | i know a bit japanese very bad though some japanese people thought me on paltalk |
| 16:09:52 | Mikachu | naruhodo |
| 16:10:01 | Mikachu | bbl |
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| 16:10:09 | XavierGr | Japanese is fun, but I hate kanji (as most learners I think) |
| 16:10:13 | | Quit ashridah ("Leaving") |
| 16:10:24 | Fujisan | i use pimsleur audio tapes :O |
| 16:10:38 | Fujisan | plus i get instructions from real japanese people |
| 16:10:39 | XavierGr | Ah I've got those. |
| 16:10:47 | XavierGr | But never listened to them |
| 16:10:51 | Fujisan | i dont want to learn how to write |
| 16:10:54 | Fujisan | me sometimes |
| 16:11:00 | XavierGr | you are lucky. Where did you find them? |
| 16:11:10 | Fujisan | to master a language you need at least 2 hours a day |
| 16:11:15 | Fujisan | i got them of usenet |
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| 16:11:25 | XavierGr | "to master" |
| 16:11:40 | Fujisan | yes to get the ropes |
| 16:11:40 | XavierGr | I don't want to master I just want a better understanding of it. |
| 16:11:50 | Fujisan | to become a good japanese speaker |
| 16:12:07 | Fujisan | i yeah to master is subjective |
| 16:12:07 | Fujisan | oh* |
| 16:12:18 | Fujisan | like most things |
| 16:12:27 | XavierGr | I am so confused with the R letter in Japanese |
| 16:12:32 | XavierGr | is it R or L? |
| 16:12:40 | XavierGr | Sometimes I can clearly here it as L and others as R |
| 16:12:41 | Fujisan | give me a word |
| 16:12:48 | XavierGr | it is confusing indeed |
| 16:12:56 | XavierGr | ^hear |
| 16:12:57 | Mikachu | XavierGr: japanese doesn't have an R letter, it's just written with R when you write it in romaji |
| 16:13:15 | XavierGr | yes I mean the pronounciation |
| 16:13:38 | Mikachu | english l and r aren't as close as swedish r and l |
| 16:13:42 | t0mas | Fujisan: you might be the first one here who actually knows some Dutch songs :) |
| 16:13:43 | * | t0mas is now playing: Ali B feat. Yes-R en Partysquad - Rampeneren |
| 16:13:45 | | Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") |
| 16:13:54 | t0mas | (first one I could find :P) |
| 16:13:57 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:15:21 | Fujisan | everytime i find a cute single girl online some anglosack ( american, UK or Australian ) comes and takes her away :( |
| 16:15:35 | XavierGr | haha |
| 16:16:39 | Fujisan | and the worst thing is now i can see him call her on webcam :( |
| 16:17:39 | * | t0mas stays away from online dating... |
| 16:17:46 | t0mas | just hit the clubs during the weekend man... |
| 16:17:53 | t0mas | where in the Netherlands do you live btw? |
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| 16:18:15 | * | XavierGr too (stays away from online dating) |
| 16:18:24 | XavierGr | but on the other hand I hate clubs too! |
| 16:18:26 | * | petur hopes it's far away from Belgian borders :) |
| 16:18:39 | Fujisan | arnhem |
| 16:18:46 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:18:50 | t0mas | ah, far from Belgium |
| 16:18:55 | t0mas | and far from me :) |
| 16:18:59 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:19:01 | Fujisan | you t0mas? |
| 16:19:12 | Fujisan | nothing is far in Holland t0mas |
| 16:19:13 | Fujisan | :) |
| 16:19:28 | t0mas | Gouda / Utrecht |
| 16:19:29 | petur | now we only need 'far from this channel' |
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| 16:19:37 | t0mas | parents in Gouda, studying in Utrecht |
| 16:19:43 | Fujisan | oh kewl |
| 16:19:55 | Fujisan | i claim to study |
| 16:19:56 | Fujisan | :) |
| 16:20:12 | Fujisan | i need to study harder |
| 16:22:09 | | Part LinusN |
| 16:22:33 | t0mas | hehe, Fujisan: to stay in the mood of bad Dutch music: |
| 16:22:36 | * | t0mas is now playing: Qf - Vieze Vrouwe (Slette Houwe) |
| 16:22:58 | Fujisan | i am listening to a supermix of the 80s |
| 16:23:01 | | Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") |
| 16:23:17 | Fujisan | t0mas my nerd friend and me developed a kewl trick to touch girls w/o getting beat up :O |
| 16:23:35 | Fujisan | we bring our digital cams to the club and act to make pictures for the site |
| 16:23:45 | Fujisan | we even get their email and everything :P |
| 16:23:46 | | Part markun |
| 16:23:48 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 16:24:03 | t0mas | :| |
| 16:24:08 | Fujisan | :D |
| 16:24:09 | t0mas | just dance man... |
| 16:24:15 | Fujisan | i do dance |
| 16:24:25 | Fujisan | but only when i am stoned |
| 16:24:28 | Fujisan | :D |
| 16:24:31 | lostlogic | that's so creepy. |
| 16:24:36 | t0mas | it is |
| 16:24:38 | * | lostlogic is glad he's not a girl. |
| 16:24:42 | Fujisan | my friends are all djs for the most part |
| 16:24:44 | Fujisan | :D |
| 16:24:50 | Fujisan | lostlogic |
| 16:24:52 | * | t0mas is glad he normally parties in Gouda / Reeuwijk or Utrecht |
| 16:25:05 | Fujisan | its amazing what you can do with only a digital cam |
| 16:25:11 | Fujisan | they love it |
| 16:25:12 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:25:13 | t0mas | you should work for www.mypartypics.nl ofzo |
| 16:25:21 | * | lostlogic has been known to date online, clubs are teh boring. |
| 16:25:30 | Fujisan | lol |
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| 16:25:35 | t0mas | oh wait |
| 16:25:39 | t0mas | it was http://www.mypartyshot.nl/ |
| 16:26:31 | Fujisan | for some reason i dig 80s parties the girls that come there are nice |
| 16:26:34 | Fujisan | i suppose |
| 16:26:46 | dpro | wonderfull watching drunkl people from the safety and comfort of my living room >;-> |
| 16:27:06 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:27:07 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:27:21 | t0mas | dpro: that website? |
| 16:27:22 | Fujisan | and much cheaper |
| 16:27:47 | Fujisan | i am saving so much money not going out as much |
| 16:27:52 | dpro | t0mas: yup |
| 16:27:54 | Fujisan | i used to spend 60 euros a week |
| 16:28:00 | t0mas | dpro: I wasn't that drunk ;) ;) |
| 16:28:05 | Fujisan | :) |
| 16:28:06 | dpro | hehe |
| 16:28:38 | t0mas | Fujisan: get others to pay your drinks ;) |
| 16:28:48 | Fujisan | i aint a girl :/ |
| 16:28:52 | XavierGr | 60 euros a week OMG? In 2 months you can get a new DAP with that money :P |
| 16:29:06 | t0mas | Fujisan: so what :P |
| 16:29:20 | t0mas | my girlfriend has some "modern" idea about paying... |
| 16:29:20 | Fujisan | besides i learned my lesson these girls will try to drink of you all night and than at the end say ty and leave :( |
| 16:29:22 | t0mas | no problem with me |
| 16:29:30 | Fujisan | i dont even get a kiss :'( |
| 16:29:35 | * | dpro gets himself a sandwich (pays for it ;) |
| 16:29:36 | Fujisan | better to spend it on hookers |
| 16:29:37 | Fujisan | ;P |
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| 16:30:11 | petur | oh please Fujisan, get a life |
| 16:30:15 | t0mas | Fujisan: don't you like the challenge? |
| 16:30:23 | Fujisan | oh man chris peterson my hero |
| 16:30:28 | Fujisan | i love that series GET A LIFE |
| 16:30:30 | Fujisan | wow |
| 16:30:33 | t0mas | I wouldn't want to spend money on a hooker... just because it's no challenge then :P |
| 16:30:36 | Fujisan | that was some great stuff |
| 16:30:44 | XavierGr | Fujisan: I heard that you have high quality hookers there :P |
| 16:30:51 | Fujisan | i am challenged t0mas |
| 16:31:00 | Fujisan | i dont need an extra challenge :/ |
| 16:31:03 | t0mas | XavierGr: legal prostitution here yes |
| 16:31:13 | Fujisan | yes XavierGr they are from sweden :) |
| 16:31:20 | t0mas | just pick the right club (and be over 18) |
| 16:31:30 | t0mas | and pay :) |
| 16:31:33 | Fujisan | :) |
| 16:31:53 | Fujisan | t0mas i and handsome so its hard to get girls |
| 16:31:56 | Fujisan | aint* |
| 16:32:01 | XavierGr | it's legal here too, but most of the times it sucks! I refuse to go. But I heard in netherlands you have very high quality prostitutes. |
| 16:32:02 | Fujisan | for free |
| 16:32:13 | Fujisan | we do in Amsterdam |
| 16:32:26 | t0mas | hm... well I'm not mr. perfect |
| 16:32:36 | Fujisan | oh man i was walking in Amsterdam and all these pretty blond hookers winked at me |
| 16:32:44 | t0mas | but hey... most people don't really care that much... as long as you look normal |
| 16:32:53 | t0mas | and don't start playing tricks with your digi-cam |
| 16:32:59 | XavierGr | My buddies just came back from Amsterdam. |
| 16:33:00 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:33:22 | XavierGr | They went there to try some pot. |
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| 16:33:45 | Fujisan | t0mas i always attract the category girls where when would think i rather yerk off :/ |
| 16:33:46 | t0mas | I've never even tried it... |
| 16:34:07 | t0mas | not even smoking in general... |
| 16:34:10 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:34:22 | Fujisan | you must be intelligent than t0mas |
| 16:34:26 | t0mas | just don't feel the need to kill myself for a lot of tax money... |
| 16:34:29 | XavierGr | yeah: I dislike both smoke and pot too. |
| 16:34:35 | Fujisan | i used to be b4 i started to smoke that shite ;/ |
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| 16:34:46 | t0mas | that's the other part... |
| 16:34:52 | Fujisan | not even mentioning the paranoia |
| 16:34:55 | Fujisan | :/ |
| 16:35:03 | petur | thak god smoking is not allowed in this channel :D |
| 16:35:09 | Fujisan | :D |
| 16:35:11 | petur | *thank |
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| 16:35:20 | * | Fujisan lights up a big ass JOINT :0 |
| 16:35:46 | * | petur wants to be ops.... |
| 16:35:55 | Mode | "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 16:35:57 | * | XavierGr too |
| 16:35:58 | Mode | "#RockBox +o petur " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 16:36:01 | t0mas | like that? ;) |
| 16:36:11 | Mode | "#RockBox -oo petur t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) |
| 16:36:14 | petur | hahaha |
| 16:36:21 | Fujisan | lol |
| 16:36:38 | * | t0mas remembers the times when he played with IRC op-status... |
| 16:36:40 | t0mas | long ago... |
| 16:36:51 | t0mas | having everybody in the channel opped... |
| 16:36:57 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 16:37:00 | petur | don't even know the commands :( |
| 16:37:00 | t0mas | and kick eachother |
| 16:37:02 | * | XavierGr just captured a spider! |
| 16:37:18 | * | t0mas has IRCop on a Dutch network now... and now I have to be decent ;) |
| 16:37:27 | t0mas | and maybe I've become a year or 4 older... |
| 16:37:27 | Fujisan | waar>? |
| 16:37:31 | t0mas | Activenet |
| 16:37:37 | t0mas | huisnetwerk van pc-active |
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| 16:37:55 | Fujisan | there was a swedish guy in a dutch channel on paltalk and he asked why do you guys say die all the time :/ |
| 16:38:07 | t0mas | hm? |
| 16:38:13 | webguest77 | anyone gotten the 'random folders' patch working yet? O:-) |
| 16:38:18 | t0mas | you mean the Dutch word 'die'? |
| 16:38:22 | Fujisan | yer hehe |
| 16:38:23 | Fujisan | :P |
| 16:38:35 | t0mas | simple... because it's Dutch for "that" |
| 16:38:46 | Fujisan | i know that but it was funny |
| 16:39:13 | JdGordon | FUCK YEAH... |
| 16:39:18 | JdGordon | hail to the king.. baybe :D |
| 16:39:37 | t0mas | what? |
| 16:39:48 | JdGordon | i finally got this bloody feautre working properly.. |
| 16:39:48 | webguest77 | sweet |
| 16:39:55 | | Nick webguest77 is now known as Falco98 (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) |
| 16:40:04 | JdGordon | Falco u turd |
| 16:40:05 | Falco98 | so what was the problem? |
| 16:40:09 | Falco98 | O:-) |
| 16:40:16 | JdGordon | how long have u been iding there?? |
| 16:40:22 | Falco98 | only about a minute |
| 16:40:25 | JdGordon | hiding.. |
| 16:40:28 | Falco98 | just got out of the shower |
| 16:40:41 | JdGordon | i restarted the patch and changed the entire thing |
| 16:40:45 | JdGordon | much simpler now |
| 16:40:46 | Falco98 | oh? |
| 16:40:50 | JdGordon | and it fucking works :D |
| 16:40:51 | Falco98 | so how's it work now |
| 16:40:57 | Falco98 | same way? |
| 16:41:09 | JdGordon | similar, but works per file, not folder.. |
| 16:41:24 | JdGordon | i mean it looks for the insert sport int he add_file. not add_folder function |
| 16:41:25 | Falco98 | how per file? |
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| 16:41:31 | Falco98 | ahh |
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| 16:41:41 | Falco98 | and once it finds the spot.. goes thru the whole folder? |
| 16:41:56 | JdGordon | no, it rmemebrs the last folder and spot it inserted at |
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| 16:43:25 | Falco98 | and what's it do once it reaches the end of that folder's files? |
| 16:43:57 | PaulJam | JdGordon: are you planning to continue work on the previous implementation of the random folders (jump to random folder after the current one)? |
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| 16:44:08 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 16:45:45 | Falco98 | PaulJam: though if this patch works, that feature might be a little unnecessary [especially since it's likely to require more resource-hogging to get working] |
| 16:45:46 | JdGordon | randomness isnt great.. but it works 100% :D |
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| 16:46:00 | Falco98 | sweet |
| 16:46:07 | Falco98 | can i see the patch? |
| 16:46:11 | JdGordon | patch and bed time... |
| 16:46:31 | * | Falco98 goes to get today's daily... |
| 16:47:35 | PaulJam | Falco98: but with the insert random folder approach it is not possible to easily skip an album that you dont want to listen to |
| 16:47:58 | Fujisan | Falco |
| 16:48:04 | Falco98 | paul, true.. |
| 16:48:05 | Fujisan | do yu still do performances ? |
| 16:48:11 | Fujisan | i like your music |
| 16:48:12 | Falco98 | it takes several presses, anyway |
| 16:48:16 | Falco98 | hehe |
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| 16:48:30 | JdGordon | PaulJam: i agree.. which is why i like that idea.. but its not as easy to implement |
| 16:48:31 | Falco98 | nope aaaahm retired |
| 16:48:37 | * | JdGordon laughs saying this 1 was easy :p |
| 16:48:38 | Fujisan | :( |
| 16:48:45 | Fujisan | rock me amadeus |
| 16:48:46 | Falco98 | heh jd |
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| 16:51:22 | JdGordon | patch is on flyspray |
| 16:51:42 | JdGordon | this might even be ready post 3.0 :o |
| 16:51:47 | Falco98 | hehe |
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| 16:52:35 | JdGordon | get hardeep to have a look at it when he's around.. im going to bed |
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| 16:52:40 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 16:52:43 | Falco98 | alright.. g'night |
| 16:52:49 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 17:27:06 | Falco98 | yo hardeep |
| 17:27:16 | hardeep | hey |
| 17:27:24 | Falco98 | apparently jd got the patch working.. he re-did it overnight |
| 17:27:34 | hardeep | cool |
| 17:27:45 | Falco98 | he's gone to bed but he asked me to have you glance at it when you have a second |
| 17:27:50 | Falco98 | ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 ) |
| 17:27:53 | Falco98 | O:-) |
| 17:28:06 | hardeep | i'll look at it later |
| 17:28:17 | Falco98 | cool, thanx.. |
| 17:28:37 | Falco98 | i think he left out the coin toss.. but if it works as-is hopefully that shouldn't be hard to re-implement |
| 17:36:58 | hardeep | lostlogic: i couldn't find a better place to reset playlist_end |
| 17:37:36 | hardeep | lostlogic: however, i think a better option might be to just not handle automatic skip in the playback code |
| 17:37:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:37:53 | hardeep | instead, let the playlist code restart playback similar to how it works on Archos |
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| 17:42:14 | scorche` | boo |
| 17:45:13 | petur | moo? |
| 17:46:12 | dongs | dongs |
| 17:46:50 | lostlogic | hardeep: what do you mean by having the playlist code restart playback? |
| 17:47:27 | hardeep | for archos, i call playback_start() to start the next directory, for swcodec that was disabled |
| 17:47:39 | hardeep | er audio_start() |
| 17:48:00 | hardeep | blah, audio_play() |
| 17:48:01 | lostlogic | hardeep: that doesn't mix well with crossfade |
| 17:48:28 | hardeep | do we really want to crossfade there? |
| 17:48:43 | lostlogic | beats me −− it did before I started working on it |
| 17:48:46 | lostlogic | so I made it still. |
| 17:48:53 | hardeep | ah, i see |
| 17:49:06 | hardeep | i think we should look at when a crossfade occurs after 3.0 |
| 17:49:11 | lostlogic | agree. |
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| 17:49:50 | lostlogic | I gotta look into the buffering issues that are still hanging over my head before 3.0 :-\ |
| 17:50:31 | hardeep | sounds like fun =) |
| 17:50:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You see the message I left in the log. Seek out of buffer = track change. |
| 17:50:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 17:51:03 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: no, I didn't... |
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| 17:51:36 | lostlogic | hardeep: Is it possible that your clearing of tracks on rebuffer caused seeking out of buffer to incorrectly clear tracks −− since that also clears some tracks and does a rebuffer? |
| 17:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay. Really easy to reproduce with a single FLAC larger than the buffer. Load it, wait for the buffer to fill, then seek outside the buffer, and the disk spins up, and the next song starts. |
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| 17:52:15 | hardeep | lostlogic: i only do it when the tag is invalid... i wouldn't expect that to be set when seeking |
| 17:52:22 | lostlogic | hardeep: ok |
| 17:52:31 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: does it happen with mp3? |
| 17:52:53 | * | lostlogic finds an mp3 that bug. |
| 17:52:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Lemme see if I have a big enough MP3 around, gimme a minute. |
| 17:52:58 | lostlogic | big |
| 17:53:14 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: just go the last loaded track and seek out of buffer |
| 17:53:19 | hardeep | er go to |
| 17:53:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: That can be a fairly small amount though. |
| 17:56:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it okay if I just try another Lossless format, or WAV, I seem to be having bad luck trying your solution Hardeep. I can't tell if the auto rebuffer is happening because I got it too low, or if it's succeeding. |
| 17:57:19 | lostlogic | damned large song bugs. |
| 17:57:26 | hardeep | heh |
| 17:57:33 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm guessing that it happens with songs that are larger than the buffer |
| 17:57:39 | hardeep | i used to have a large mp3 file around, let me see if i still do |
| 17:57:42 | lostlogic | because I have a few other bugs that are specific to wrapping the buffer. |
| 17:57:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just disable all seeking. :-P |
| 17:57:53 | lostlogic | just disable songs > audio buffer size. |
| 17:57:54 | hardeep | i remember creating it to test seeking on archos |
| 17:57:55 | lostlogic | :-D |
| 17:58:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: I used to have some 120mb audiobooks I'd converted from files bought on audible, but those are backed up somewhere |
| 17:58:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: You could try to build with MEM set lower |
| 17:59:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: more just a matter of "What the hell is the 'right way' to handle a seek that would spin the buffer around a couple times?" than a difficulty in testing. |
| 17:59:43 | preglow | anyone heard anymore about the mp3 data abort issue? |
| 17:59:43 | amiconn | lostlogic: A good idea might be to check how the archos code handles it - tracks larger than the buffer are the standard case there |
| 17:59:57 | lostlogic | amiconn: *nod* |
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| 18:00:01 | * | amiconn thinks that even with 32MB, songs larger than the buffer will happen regularly |
| 18:00:16 | amiconn | I have a one-hour dj mix as one large mp3. >100MB |
| 18:00:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It's exclusive to FLAC |
| 18:00:31 | hardeep | i believe we reset the buffer and begin loading from seek point on archos |
| 18:00:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: It doesn't happen with wavpack or wave |
| 18:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something to do with the seektable maybe? |
| 18:01:17 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: praps, would love to see a logf of the behavior on flac |
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| 18:01:20 | hardeep | there have been a bunch of seek bugs reported for Flac on the tracker |
| 18:01:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: My replacemend LCD remote appears tomorrow. |
| 18:02:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Most of them boil down to the one I just described, after investigation. Either that, or the person doesn't have a seek table |
| 18:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a semi-related note, while you can seek in a WAVE, you cannot resume in one. |
| 18:02:35 | preglow | should just be a matter of adding some set_offset/whatever cals |
| 18:02:37 | preglow | calls too |
| 18:03:17 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: cannot resume a wave beyond the buffer size? |
| 18:03:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Cannot resume a wave period. |
| 18:03:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You can seek, you can seek beyond the buffer, you cannot resume anywhere. |
| 18:03:42 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: cool! |
| 18:03:46 | lostlogic | hahahaaha |
| 18:04:36 | amiconn | wee! |
| 18:04:45 | preglow | how does resume work anyway? |
| 18:04:49 | amiconn | Tis 4GB MMC is working in the Ondio :) |
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| 18:05:58 | hardeep | i'm waiting for the 2TB mmc |
| 18:06:28 | amiconn | Will probably be called mu-carg (µcard) by then |
| 18:07:58 | hardeep | heh, yeah |
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| 18:13:32 | lostlogic | GRR why the hell doesn't replaygain on mp3 work for me!?! |
| 18:14:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | What type of tags? |
| 18:14:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically, what iteration if ID3v2? |
| 18:16:45 | lostlogic | no idea −− I just ran them all through mp3gain, no idea what the original tags were |
| 18:17:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | mp3gain like to do ApeV2 tags though |
| 18:17:05 | lostlogic | how would I check? |
| 18:17:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It likes to do them alot. |
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| 18:17:22 | * | lostlogic beats it soundly about the head and neck |
| 18:17:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really don't know how to check other than simply load the file in foobar2000 and see what it tells me. |
| 18:17:55 | linuxstb | Hex editor (or xxd) works for me... |
| 18:18:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you're all techy and stuff. |
| 18:18:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | You even have Linux in your name |
| 18:18:30 | amiconn | Doesn't mp3gain work different, in that it does the correction directly (via the mp3 frame's global gain value), and only stores tags for undoing the modification later? |
| 18:18:39 | * | lostlogic installs foobar2000 on his lappy and retags the world |
| 18:18:46 | lostlogic | amiconn: if you run it without options it just writes the tags |
| 18:19:23 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: hehe... I just use the standard Unix tools for everything. Audio editing using "dd" is a favourite pastime... |
| 18:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: fb2k can do your replaygain tagging for you anyway, on basically all the file formats Rockbox supports tagging for. But it likes Apev2 as well, so make sure it's set to do ID3v2 tags instead. :) |
| 18:19:45 | lostlogic | yeah, I will... |
| 18:19:48 | * | lostlogic mutters some more |
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| 18:19:53 | lostlogic | I hate using windows for things. |
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| 18:20:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I heard foobar actually ran okay in WINE, if that's any mitigation of the windows effect for you. |
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| 18:30:40 | Falco98 | i'm having a little trouble with this theme.. my top line is this: |
| 18:30:41 | Falco98 | %al%?bp<%xdG|%bl%> %ar%pv |
| 18:31:01 | Falco98 | but for some reason, it's not showing anything, except it displays the graphic correctly when plugged-in |
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| 18:35:48 | ABondar_de | is there any information how to work with rockboxdev.sh? |
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| 18:37:22 | * | lostlogic can't figure out how to tell foobar2000 to use id3v2 tags vs. apev2 |
| 18:38:59 | preglow | the foobar people don't much like id3v2... |
| 18:39:30 | Falco98 | i'm used to vorbiscomments now, so i hate either id3 version nowadays :-P |
| 18:40:19 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 18:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly don't know how to force a specific tag type with .9 or .9.1 or whatever. =/ |
| 18:40:44 | Falco98 | the random-folders patch now works well, except it always puts the first folder first |
| 18:40:53 | Falco98 | (and so far, it seems to always put the last folder last.. wtf) |
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| 18:41:01 | Febs | Is there any more up-to-date reference of where we stand with release critical items than http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo? If |
| 18:41:29 | lostlogic | told foobar2000 to rewrite tags on all tracks and it seems to have worked. |
| 18:42:30 | lostlogic | ahh, back to my -57 volume, -12db preamp listening happiness |
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| 18:46:07 | linuxstb | Febs: I'm not sure which of these are "release-critical" - maybe some of them can/should be moved to 3.1... - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2&due=3&order=sev |
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| 18:47:39 | lostlogic | there's also the bugs ont eh SoftwareCodecPlayback page, some of which are and some of which are not release critical. |
| 18:48:11 | preglow | any release critical, though? |
| 18:49:46 | Febs | If the release date is going to be bumped, it might be helpful to update the ReleaseTodo page so people know where things stand. |
| 18:50:13 | Febs | I can go through and update the ManualTodo page, but I know that the manual itself is not considered release-critical. |
| 18:52:22 | lostlogic | I marked off the ones I think are release critical on my wiki page. |
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| 19:14:45 | * | Falco98 hears a cricket chirp in the distance.. |
| 19:14:53 | * | Paul_The_Nerd squishes it. |
| 19:15:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | My headphones do not provide enough isolation for crickets to be around. |
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| 19:15:38 | Falco98 | haha |
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| 19:18:52 | tucoz | hello |
| 19:19:23 | | Part bu88a1 |
| 19:20:05 | tucoz | regarding the icatcher themes. Do you think we should get it in CVS asap and take the remaining issues from there, or nag Genre9mp3 before a commit? |
| 19:20:25 | XavierGr | I think nag to him will be better |
| 19:20:32 | XavierGr | I just talked with him on the phone :P |
| 19:20:42 | Falco98 | all these stop/restart cycles.. they can't be good for my h140's hd ?? |
| 19:20:44 | XavierGr | he will be back tomorrow evening |
| 19:20:50 | Falco98 | or should i not be worried |
| 19:20:52 | tucoz | XavierGr, hehe. Ok |
| 19:21:17 | tucoz | So I can write up a summary on the issues as a reply to the patch then. |
| 19:21:18 | XavierGr | then he will adjust the codec icons that are left out and hear suggestions about the WPS in general. |
| 19:21:59 | tucoz | great. And maybe remove the redundant battery indicator |
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| 19:23:32 | webguest34 | kl |
| 19:24:04 | blitzkriff | hello world! |
| 19:24:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: What do you mean? |
| 19:24:29 | blitzkriff | I'm sorry, I've been trying to find out everywhere how to get involved with developing rockbox |
| 19:24:36 | blitzkriff | I've registered on sourceforge |
| 19:24:44 | blitzkriff | and browsed the site and stuff |
| 19:24:55 | blitzkriff | but can't find out what rockbox is coded in |
| 19:24:57 | tucoz | blitzkriff, you've come to the right place |
| 19:24:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | blitzkriff: C |
| 19:25:00 | blitzkriff | and how I can get involved? |
| 19:25:19 | blitzkriff | oooh-oooh! C |
| 19:25:21 | linuxstb | blitzkriff: Nothing is on Sourceforge any more - it's all on http://www.rockbox.org |
| 19:25:31 | blitzkriff | oh OK :) |
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| 19:25:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | blitzkriff: The source is available at the site. There are a list of feature requests and outstanding bugs in the tracker. A great way to get involved is to pick something there and work on it. There's also a thread in the General Discussion forum of Most Requested Features, if that interests me. |
| 19:25:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | you |
| 19:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If that interests you. |
| 19:25:50 | linuxstb | Which player do you have? |
| 19:26:04 | blitzkriff | I've got a new ipod video |
| 19:26:12 | linuxstb | Cool - we need more ipod developers... |
| 19:26:16 | blitzkriff | just found this site this weekend |
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| 19:26:25 | blitzkriff | well I know v.little about C |
| 19:26:29 | blitzkriff | wouldn't mind learning |
| 19:26:36 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 19:26:45 | linuxstb | Rockbox is fun way to learn. Lots of people have learnt C via Rockbox |
| 19:27:01 | blitzkriff | but generally have done stuff with simpler languages |
| 19:27:06 | Falco98 | for some reason, when i use this: "%ar%pvdB" .. it truncates like.. half of the "-" sign in front of the dB level, when it's in the 2-digits |
| 19:27:11 | blitzkriff | but hey |
| 19:27:13 | blitzkriff | why not |
| 19:27:23 | linuxstb | The easiest place to start will be with the plugins - either make some changes to the existing plugins, or try and write a new one. |
| 19:27:24 | blitzkriff | I'll see what I can find on the site |
| 19:28:27 | blitzkriff | ok, I'll check the plug-ins |
| 19:28:32 | blitzkriff | see if I can understand them :) |
| 19:28:58 | blitzkriff | thanks for being helpful&friendly :) |
| 19:29:07 | blitzkriff | half expected to get flamed ;) |
| 19:29:10 | kingspawn | linuxstb: If I may ask, is there a designated place that holds info on what needs to be done, what should be done, and what might be done? |
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| 19:30:00 | linuxstb | kingspawn: The closest is the patch/bug/feature tracker - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 19:30:04 | XavierGr | nice to have you on board blitzkriff. I wish all people that join first time here is like you.... |
| 19:30:19 | * | XavierGr thinks about that bloody weekend troll! |
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| 19:30:31 | kingspawn | linuxstb: k, thanks. I'll have a look at that |
| 19:30:33 | Falco98 | XavierGr: which one :-P |
| 19:30:35 | blitzkriff | thx xavier |
| 19:30:54 | Cassandra | He was entertaining, in an annoying sort of way. |
| 19:31:08 | linuxstb | Made reading the logs hard work though... |
| 19:31:35 | tucoz | another victory for BS inc, HAHAHHAHA |
| 19:31:36 | tucoz | hehe |
| 19:31:47 | Cassandra | True, not as entertaining as just kicking him straight off would've been. |
| 19:31:51 | tucoz | funny troll |
| 19:31:57 | XavierGr | OMG all the logs on the IRC section are 1428!!!!! |
| 19:32:14 | XavierGr | I am turbo-dta'ing them now! :) |
| 19:32:17 | Cassandra | You what? |
| 19:32:32 | obo | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166#comment7997 |
| 19:32:36 | Cassandra | Was that in English? |
| 19:32:37 | amiconn | whew! :-) |
| 19:32:49 | obo | lostlogic: oops - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166#comment7997 - small bug? |
| 19:33:00 | XavierGr | Cassandra: I am downloading them with DownThemAll firefox extension. |
| 19:33:01 | * | amiconn is happy to report that we're now better than retailos in H1x0 runtime! |
| 19:33:14 | XavierGr | what? |
| 19:33:15 | Cassandra | Oh, I see. |
| 19:33:15 | XavierGr | really? |
| 19:33:18 | XavierGr | how? |
| 19:33:19 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is that your normal MP3 test? |
| 19:33:22 | amiconn | I performed a runtime test with mp3 (lame −−preset standard) |
| 19:33:22 | Cassandra | What're you going to do with the,? |
| 19:33:26 | Cassandra | them? |
| 19:33:32 | amiconn | Got >19 hours... |
| 19:33:37 | amiconn | Stock battery |
| 19:33:41 | linuxstb | That's impressive considering their MP3 decoder. |
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| 19:33:59 | Cassandra | I never felt we had a problem with H1xx runtime, despite what people were saying. |
| 19:34:01 | XavierGr | >19 hours? That's more than perfect!!! |
| 19:34:19 | amiconn | 19 h 18 min |
| 19:34:22 | Cassandra | OK, I did have an upgraded battery, but I got 20+ hours runtime with 256Kbps MP3s. |
| 19:34:27 | amiconn | ...according to battery_bench |
| 19:34:27 | * | lodesi is away: phone.. |
| 19:35:12 | amiconn | Cassandra: Was that a recent test? |
| 19:35:29 | * | lodesi is back (gone 00:01:01) |
| 19:35:43 | XavierGr | amiconn: Ok battery_bench will probably be right, but did you see it for yourself (without a timer, just hour accuracy) |
| 19:35:45 | amiconn | The mp3 decoder received significant optimisation work recently |
| 19:36:11 | tucoz | Cassandra, is it only the WPSLIST that needs additions when a new theme is added? |
| 19:36:14 | * | XavierGr thinks that I must do a battery_bench soon with both firmwares. |
| 19:37:09 | tucoz | amiconn, impressive |
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| 19:37:21 | Falco98 | all: is there any current working UIsimulator? |
| 19:37:40 | Hansmaulwurf | (Cassandra) OK, I did have an upgraded battery, but I got 20+ hours runtime with 256Kbps MP3s. <−−−− got 14h with the standard battery 2 years old |
| 19:37:47 | Hansmaulwurf | and 192kbs |
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| 19:38:03 | Cassandra | tucoz - I think so. Maybe FILES as well, but I'm not sure if that's used for anything. |
| 19:38:05 | XavierGr | amiconn: don't forget to put your results in IriverRuntime |
| 19:38:32 | amiconn | The name is a bit misleading... |
| 19:38:33 | tucoz | Cassandra, ok. A patch is preferred with regards to the icatcher themes right? |
| 19:38:35 | Cassandra | What're you thinking of adding? |
| 19:38:38 | XavierGr | amiconn: BTW what happened with the battery_bench on archos? Did you find which of the 2 speculations you made happen? |
| 19:38:48 | amiconn | no, not yet |
| 19:38:53 | tucoz | Cassandra, nothing. Just letting Genre9mp3 know what to do :) |
| 19:38:58 | Cassandra | Well, I'd spoken to the author about doing a Rockbox themed version. |
| 19:39:05 | Cassandra | I'm waiting for him to get back to me. |
| 19:39:11 | amiconn | I'm doing a lot of runtime testing now. Iriver, archos,... |
| 19:39:21 | tucoz | Cassandra, So you have it covered then? |
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| 19:39:40 | Cassandra | Patch against CVS'd be my favourite way to submit, but I can cope with just the files if necessary. |
| 19:39:54 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3 was a bit confused with latest Linus' commit.... |
| 19:40:05 | amiconn | XavierGr: We should have a runtime test page for all targets |
| 19:40:31 | Cassandra | I'm not surprised. I'm not really sure why Linus did that myself. |
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| 19:41:07 | tucoz | I think LinusN wants the icatcher theme in cvs |
| 19:41:24 | Cassandra | Me too. It kicks boxes arse, quite frankly. |
| 19:42:13 | amiconn | It's the best bitmapped wps I've seen so far (though I wouldn't use it unmodified for myself) |
| 19:42:16 | Cassandra | Just that I don't really see why his commit was needed. |
| 19:42:40 | Falco98 | is it in the gallery? |
| 19:42:44 | Cassandra | Long as you use different filenames for all your bitmaps, you're fine storing them in the same dir. |
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| 19:43:17 | tucoz | Falco98, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11590 |
| 19:43:36 | tucoz | and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577 |
| 19:44:15 | Falco98 | ahh coolness |
| 19:44:26 | amiconn | XavierGr: There is a bug in battery_bench, which lead me to interpreting the result wrong. |
| 19:44:36 | XavierGr | Cassandra: he was saying something about all bmps in the same folder, but I didn't get it at all. You better talk with him in detail about it when he will be back tomorrow. |
| 19:44:38 | amiconn | Runtime wasn't 19:18, but even 19:48 |
| 19:44:39 | tucoz | Cassandra, but there is no information in WPSLIST on the target LCD dimensions |
| 19:44:53 | Cassandra | tucoz - no need for it. |
| 19:44:58 | tucoz | really? |
| 19:45:03 | XavierGr | amiconn: what bug? the timer? |
| 19:45:05 | Cassandra | Target dimensions are contained in the wps filename. |
| 19:45:18 | tucoz | oh. your recent work? |
| 19:45:24 | * | Cassandra nods. |
| 19:45:34 | amiconn | XavierGr: The plugin tries to log as little as possible in that it only logs when voltage changes (which is good by itself), but it also does this at the very start, |
| 19:45:38 | tucoz | I see. nice |
| 19:45:49 | XavierGr | yes |
| 19:45:58 | amiconn | which creates the problem that the first log entry happens at the first voltage change. |
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| 19:46:12 | tucoz | then I can remove this from WPSLIST then? (# All sections should list what their smallest LCD size requirements are) |
| 19:46:19 | Cassandra | I'd strongly advise against using subdirs for bmps, since the way Linus has coded it, you'd need to duplicate all of the bmp files, even the ones that were the same. |
| 19:46:26 | amiconn | There should also be an entry for the values when starting the plugin |
| 19:46:33 | Cassandra | tucoz, yes, you can. That's obsolete. |
| 19:46:39 | tucoz | ok. |
| 19:46:43 | XavierGr | amiconn: I think that me and Bger set it to make a measurement when the plugin starts but maybe I am wrong? |
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| 19:47:38 | XavierGr | amiconn: how do you know that it is 19.48 instead of 19.18? |
| 19:47:43 | XavierGr | can I see the log? |
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| 19:47:55 | amiconn | I interpreted the log the wrong way |
| 19:48:07 | amiconn | The last entry was 19:49, but it started at 0:30 |
| 19:48:49 | XavierGr | keep in mind that the timer is not reset when the plugin starts. |
| 19:48:50 | PaulJam | i think the time is the time since the player was started |
| 19:49:37 | XavierGr | this means that if you turned on your unit and started the plugin after 5 minutes, the first measurement will be around 5 minutes |
| 19:49:38 | PaulJam | also, the first change in voltage should happen in less then 30 minutes |
| 19:49:46 | amiconn | hmm... |
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| 19:50:05 | XavierGr | amiconn: can you paste bin the log? |
| 19:50:07 | amiconn | Then it was in fact 19:18, and my first interpretation was correct |
| 19:50:38 | amiconn | I had the unit on charger, then unplugged the charger, started the plugin, and started the playlist |
| 19:50:56 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/battery_h140_1.txt">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/battery_h140_1.txt |
| 19:51:07 | Cassandra | tucoz: I'm not even sure if we still use the statusbar info in WPSLIST, but it doesn't hurt to have it in there. |
| 19:51:42 | XavierGr | amiconn: the timer isn't set to 0 because the user might want to continue the benchmark or do something else. |
| 19:51:46 | tucoz | ok. Just saw that it was used by some/all of the wps's |
| 19:52:02 | XavierGr | but yes it would be a good think to point that out on the log. (in the header) |
| 19:52:12 | Cassandra | I think all the ones in CVS use %wd/%we (?) tags these days. |
| 19:52:15 | XavierGr | think = thing |
| 19:52:18 | Cassandra | But I'm not certain. |
| 19:54:09 | amiconn | I will perform a second round of tests with the backlight on |
| 19:54:28 | XavierGr | amiconn: my god, it is very difficult to believe that it managed to play straight for 19 hours! :D |
| 19:54:41 | * | amiconn wants calibration data for the runtime estimation |
| 19:54:42 | XavierGr | I will start a benchmark too. |
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| 19:54:54 | amiconn | H340 will be much worse |
| 19:54:55 | preglow | amiconn: 19 hours on stock battery?=?? |
| 19:54:55 | preglow | damn |
| 19:55:00 | preglow | that's bloody marvelous |
| 19:56:29 | PaulJam | XavierGr: when you are changing the text in the benchmarkfile, id would be good if you could add a # in front of every line, that doesn't contain measuement data, that a tool like gnuplot ignores these lines |
| 19:57:17 | XavierGr | I just hope that this isn't a battery_bench trick. Though while I was finishing the pluin I made various tests (and others did) that didn't show any tricky actions. |
| 19:57:23 | amiconn | preglow: Yeps. mp3 vbr (204kbps average on) |
| 19:57:36 | XavierGr | PaulJam: Good idea |
| 19:57:44 | amiconn | Spot the place where 2 words are swapped |
| 19:58:00 | preglow | hmm |
| 19:58:03 | preglow | perhaps i'll try a run too |
| 19:58:15 | XavierGr | I will probably make a patch about battery_bench to fill in slight details in the header. |
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| 19:58:52 | preglow | amiconn: headphones connected? |
| 19:59:01 | amiconn | No |
| 19:59:03 | XavierGr | also the log can't be wrong. Runtime is extracted as is from the global variable of rockbox. |
| 19:59:10 | XavierGr | ah |
| 19:59:25 | XavierGr | headphones can reduce the battery time a little |
| 19:59:32 | preglow | oh yes |
| 19:59:41 | XavierGr | but even then 19 hours is pretty magnificent |
| 19:59:41 | preglow | though not by tons |
| 19:59:44 | amiconn | Really only a little |
| 19:59:56 | amiconn | ...unless you're misusing them as loudspeakers |
| 19:59:58 | preglow | you know the avg current draw from a set of stock headphones? |
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| 20:00:45 | Fujisan | http://wjxl.bounceme.net:8000/ |
| 20:01:00 | Falco98 | can anyone explain what the rotate_index(playlist, index) function in playlist.c does? |
| 20:01:07 | Fujisan | my 80s super remix :P |
| 20:01:12 | Falco98 | i've read it (and the comments) but it's a little opaque to me.. |
| 20:01:44 | * | amiconn started the next test |
| 20:01:52 | preglow | which is? |
| 20:02:20 | preglow | arggh |
| 20:02:27 | preglow | what's wrong with libfaad deps? |
| 20:02:39 | preglow | it recompiles if i look sideways at it |
| 20:02:47 | Fujisan | preglow |
| 20:02:59 | Fujisan | havenet we been in the same channel b4 |
| 20:03:03 | preglow | i have no idea |
| 20:03:06 | Fujisan | your nick |
| 20:03:10 | preglow | yes, my nick |
| 20:03:12 | Fujisan | looks so familliar |
| 20:03:15 | amiconn | preglow: Same as first, just with backlight on all the time |
| 20:03:16 | Fujisan | ;p |
| 20:03:19 | lostlogic | obo: hmmmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 20:03:41 | amiconn | preglow: sim? |
| 20:03:49 | Fujisan | can somebody test the audio quality on my stream plz: http://wjxl.bounceme.net:8000/ |
| 20:03:52 | Fujisan | :) |
| 20:04:37 | Falco98 | sounds decent |
| 20:04:41 | preglow | amiconn: target |
| 20:04:44 | preglow | amiconn: default wps, btw? |
| 20:04:45 | Falco98 | what is it, 128? |
| 20:04:45 | Fujisan | k thanx Falco98 |
| 20:04:48 | Fujisan | yes |
| 20:05:28 | amiconn | preglow: yes |
| 20:08:09 | preglow | and you're pretty sure it actually reached 19 hours? no battery bench glitch? |
| 20:08:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: default settings? |
| 20:08:22 | obo | I'm guessing the AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED event doesn't happen on AUDIO_NEW_PLAYLIST? |
| 20:08:48 | tucoz | Fujisan, nice political debates there |
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| 20:09:20 | amiconn | XavierGr: no |
| 20:09:44 | Falco98 | bbl |
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| 20:09:49 | Fujisan | lol |
| 20:09:55 | XavierGr | amiconn: BTW look PluginBatteryBenchmark for the details of each column. |
| 20:09:57 | Fujisan | this music causes wars :P |
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| 20:10:59 | obo | lostlogic: any thoughts? is it a real bug? |
| 20:11:51 | amiconn | XavierGr: None of my non-standard settings should have major runtime impact (especially I do use the default font), except 'disk poweroff' |
| 20:12:12 | amiconn | (which defaults to 'off' for some unknown reason, but I always enable it) |
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| 20:13:16 | lostlogic | obo: not sure if it's a bug or a feature yet. |
| 20:13:33 | obo | lostlogic: yeah, I couldn't work that out either... |
| 20:13:41 | lostlogic | hehe **highfive** |
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| 20:14:05 | obo | but then again is the runtimedb staying around? |
| 20:15:18 | XavierGr | amiconn: strange thing is that you tested alt-preset-standart vbr files, which AFAIK are more CPU hogging that normal 128kbps mp3. I wonder what 128kbps bitrate will give. |
| 20:15:48 | XavierGr | I prefer to listen to alt-preset-standart mp3 too, but when I benchmark I am sure to follow the trend. |
| 20:16:12 | preglow | with mp3 it really doesn't matter much now |
| 20:16:13 | amiconn | Decoding cpu power requirements only depend on bitrate and sample rate for mp3 |
| 20:16:14 | preglow | it never boosts anyway |
| 20:16:32 | XavierGr | preglow: ah yes I forgot about that! :) |
| 20:16:36 | amiconn | Doesn't matter whether it's cbr or vbr with the same average bitrate |
| 20:16:45 | amiconn | Encoding is a different matter |
| 20:16:53 | tucoz | Fujisan, nice collection of 80's hits. You mixed it? |
| 20:17:07 | Fujisan | a friend of mine did |
| 20:17:30 | tucoz | ok. 80's touch on the mixing as well. |
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| 20:18:02 | Jumi | hi |
| 20:18:06 | Jumi | i have a question |
| 20:18:20 | Jumi | what is the difference betwen rockbox and ipodlinux ? |
| 20:19:06 | tucoz | Rockbox is a mp3-player firmware replacement. Ipodlinux is linux |
| 20:19:12 | dpro | well one is linux for ipods and the other is a free firmware for several players including some ipods |
| 20:20:38 | Jumi | ha yes its the same for xbox ... you can have linux on xbox or a fireware for xbox |
| 20:20:43 | Jumi | just for exemple ? |
| 20:21:31 | dpro | jumi: you maybe should consider reading a little here http://rockbox.org/ and here http://ipodlinux.org/ |
| 20:21:49 | tucoz | rockbox aims to be a firmware replacement for a number of players. Ipodlinux aims to be linux on ipods |
| 20:22:16 | tucoz | Jumi, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 20:23:13 | Jumi | thanks |
| 20:24:18 | amiconn | Come to think of it, the 'disk poweroff' setting can make a quite big difference on iriver, considering Toshiba states 80mW idle power consumption (24mA at 3.3V) for the MK4004GAH |
| 20:24:57 | amiconn | 19 hours with a 1300mAh battery means ~68mA on average |
| 20:25:31 | amiconn | Add 24mA to that and runtime would be reduced to 14 hours |
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| 20:26:50 | amiconn | In real-world figures the difference would be a little less, since obviously the 24mA aren't avoided all the time when 'disk poweroff' is enabled |
| 20:27:05 | linuxstb | Why isn't it enabled by default? What's the down-side? |
| 20:27:09 | amiconn | ...but only when the disk isn't spinning |
| 20:27:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: That's what I'm wondering... |
| 20:27:25 | XavierGr | ? |
| 20:27:45 | XavierGr | you mean the option to completely poweroff the disk? |
| 20:28:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:28:20 | XavierGr | so the test was set with this option to on? |
| 20:28:29 | amiconn | yesyes |
| 20:28:47 | amiconn | [20:11:24] <amiconn> XavierGr: None of my non-standard settings should have major runtime impact (especially I do use the default font), except 'disk poweroff' |
| 20:28:47 | amiconn | [20:11:45] <amiconn> (which defaults to 'off' for some unknown reason, but I always enable it) |
| 20:29:00 | XavierGr | ah so the vast change is beacuse of this little thingy!!! |
| 20:29:03 | amiconn | On archos the situation is a little bit undefined, but all the newer designs shouldn't have problems with disk poweroff (if they offer it hardware wise) |
| 20:29:05 | preglow | does archos support that? |
| 20:29:13 | preglow | right |
| 20:29:13 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I read that but I understood the opposite... |
| 20:29:32 | XavierGr | then we should definitelly make the disk shut down by default. |
| 20:30:06 | amiconn | Very oldf players have no disk power control. Newer players have it, but some of them crash when powering on again, so cvs player builds don't offer it |
| 20:30:15 | XavierGr | is there a downside using this option? |
| 20:30:21 | amiconn | The code is prepared for it, and my personal build has it |
| 20:30:42 | amiconn | V1 recorders can do it, and there are no knowm problems with it |
| 20:31:07 | tucoz | Are there any downsides to enabling it? Like, disk wear etc |
| 20:31:23 | amiconn | XavierGr: Spinup time is a little bit longer (since first the disk is powered on, then the code waits a short time to allow voltage to stabilize, then spins up the disk) |
| 20:31:43 | amiconn | tucoz: No other downsides than the one I just mentioned |
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| 20:31:55 | tucoz | hehe, missed that |
| 20:31:57 | XavierGr | but with dircache this shouldn't be noticable |
| 20:32:36 | amiconn | fm and v2 recorders technically offer disk powerdown, but we can't use it since they have a design bug. Voltage measurements are totally wrong with the disk powered off |
| 20:32:53 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes, but then I don't use dircache |
| 20:33:30 | amiconn | Finally, the setting doesn't apply to ondios |
| 20:33:37 | XavierGr | I think it would be good to set this option to default for units that definitelly support it |
| 20:34:52 | amiconn | Imho we should set it to on by default for all units that support it |
| 20:34:59 | XavierGr | yes |
| 20:35:09 | amiconn | Units that don't support it (or not reliably) don't have the option built in |
| 20:35:12 | XavierGr | definitelly a 3.0 issue |
| 20:35:45 | amiconn | I didn't think of mentioning it earlier. I've been running my boxes with 'disk poweroff' for ages... |
| 20:36:00 | XavierGr | I didn't even know about that. |
| 20:36:14 | XavierGr | It should be put to wiki with big bold letters |
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| 20:36:15 | tucoz | dircache should be default as well :) I couldn't stand _not_ using it. |
| 20:36:44 | preglow | agreed |
| 20:36:46 | preglow | it's a nightmare |
| 20:37:21 | amiconn | tucoz: nooooooooooooo |
| 20:37:28 | tucoz | hehe, was waiting for that |
| 20:37:44 | XavierGr | haha |
| 20:38:12 | XavierGr | Truth is that I can't live without dircache. |
| 20:38:20 | tucoz | I wouldn't know why you don't use it though. Maybe you use your dap's differently than I do. |
| 20:38:25 | tucoz | I browse a lot |
| 20:38:38 | XavierGr | amiconn wants full buffer |
| 20:38:40 | amiconn | I find it (1) irritating and (2) a waste of ram |
| 20:39:04 | tucoz | (1) is definitley arguable |
| 20:39:05 | markun | you find it irritating at bootup? |
| 20:39:06 | Fujisan | you guys into htpc also? |
| 20:39:16 | amiconn | markun: Not only, also during use |
| 20:39:21 | Fujisan | i use it as a jukebox on pokernights |
| 20:39:24 | Fujisan | :P |
| 20:39:41 | markun | amiconn: could you explain that? |
| 20:39:43 | amiconn | The spinup is a tactile feedback for me that something actually happens |
| 20:39:56 | markun | ah, ok |
| 20:40:12 | amiconn | Very helpful in the car, especially since the voice ui is stilll lagging like hell on swcodec |
| 20:40:21 | tucoz | The dircache in iriver retailos is very (1) though |
| 20:40:25 | markun | The h120 was my first DAP so for me it was just anoying having this tactile feedback |
| 20:40:44 | tucoz | at boot at least |
| 20:40:46 | preglow | i don't really feel i need it... |
| 20:40:46 | markun | And I don't have a car :) |
| 20:40:51 | amiconn | If the voice ui were better, I wouldn't need the feedback so much |
| 20:41:16 | amiconn | e.g. I don't have problems operating the ondio in the car, which of course can't provide that type of feedback |
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| 20:41:38 | XavierGr | I will make a thread on MR that will inform battery hungry users to enable the disk power off option. |
| 20:41:44 | amiconn | But even if (1) is reduced, I wouldn't use it, or at least not often |
| 20:42:13 | amiconn | Most of the time the diracche caching would be done for no benefit |
| 20:42:44 | amiconn | I usually select an album, or a few, or a big shuffled folder for playback, then let it play. |
| 20:43:05 | amiconn | Park the car, stop & powerdown, do sth, come back to the car, power up, resume |
| 20:44:03 | * | XavierGr is afraid to leave his precious H100 & H300 in his car. |
| 20:44:17 | amiconn | Of course I take it with me |
| 20:44:26 | Fujisan | whats the battery life per recharge for the iriver hd players? |
| 20:44:32 | amiconn | I just left out the non-rockbox-relevant steps |
| 20:45:45 | * | petur wants to remind Linus he needs to make a h300 bootloader that boots rockbox on ac power on |
| 20:45:49 | amiconn | Seems I hafta do another test set with 'disk poweroff' disabled |
| 20:46:05 | preglow | do that first1 |
| 20:46:47 | XavierGr | petur: and a new bootlaoder that will solve USB bootloader issues, lcdless remote startup for H300. |
| 20:47:16 | * | amiconn reminds petur that we need proper charging control first |
| 20:47:48 | petur | better scrap h300 from the 3.0 list then... |
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| 20:48:56 | XavierGr | reminds me: is there anything we can do to prevent playback from stopping when the user super scrolls (play + direction) long lists? |
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| 20:51:48 | tiennou | Hi everyone! Just a little question... How can I solve my tag cache crash? Is it incomplete tags? Are there any softwares for removing album art in the tags? |
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| 20:53:34 | tucoz | maybe have a separate 3.1 release for the H300. The major thing about the 3.0 release is the SWCODEC, which works quite well on the h1xx series anyway. |
| 20:55:09 | hardeep | tiennou: does this problem happen with the latest cvs build? |
| 20:55:26 | hardeep | tiennou: if so, would you be able to provide me with an example file that reproduces the problem please |
| 20:56:06 | tiennou | I force tag cahce update it runs for about 4000 songs and just blacks ou I need to reset and tagcache fails... |
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| 20:56:57 | tucoz | will a complete removal of the tacache files from the .rockbox folder help in that case? |
| 20:57:23 | tiennou | running latest expeimental (kosh) build on h300.... |
| 20:57:36 | tiennou | I tried a claen install but still crashes... |
| 20:57:51 | tiennou | Do you think it could come from incomplte tags? |
| 20:57:59 | hardeep | tiennou: please try a cvs build, not the experimental. |
| 20:58:13 | hardeep | it's very possible that the problem is caused by one of the patches included in experimental |
| 20:58:31 | hardeep | (e.g. album art) |
| 20:59:36 | tiennou | I can't live (lol) without album art... but I'll trie rockbox latest build and see if that works |
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| 21:02:33 | preglow | hell, and here was me thinking food was essential |
| 21:02:53 | tiennou | :) Another question is there any difference between the ipod build and the h300 build? Will i find the exact same options?(Brightness) |
| 21:03:06 | * | pixelma congratulates amiconn on having written his MMC driver properly |
| 21:03:27 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 21:03:36 | XavierGr | I just downloaded all IRC logs |
| 21:03:45 | XavierGr | guess my first move |
| 21:03:51 | hardeep | for some light bedside ready? |
| 21:03:55 | hardeep | er reading |
| 21:04:00 | XavierGr | I searched for my nick on all the txt files |
| 21:04:05 | XavierGr | 254 results |
| 21:04:22 | XavierGr | and I found my very first word in here! :D |
| 21:05:15 | XavierGr | ok let's see when hardeep first joined here :D |
| 21:05:20 | Fujisan | Xavier i have 15 Mb of Philip K Dick books if you like :P |
| 21:05:34 | markun | a better irc log search on the site would be nice |
| 21:05:42 | preglow | google is nice... |
| 21:05:53 | * | amiconn has the logs mirrored locally as well |
| 21:05:57 | XavierGr | hardeep: wow man! you are old in means of Rockbox :P |
| 21:06:00 | amiconn | It's not that much data |
| 21:06:11 | markun | preglow: I would like to specify things like 'in the last 5 days' |
| 21:06:17 | Fujisan | i cant wait for a digital book that will replace all books |
| 21:06:25 | Fujisan | i hate to carry so much books around |
| 21:06:27 | Fujisan | all the time |
| 21:06:37 | hardeep | XavierGr: heh, i guess |
| 21:06:48 | Fujisan | and the pda dont read comfertable |
| 21:07:00 | XavierGr | 2002,08,14 <Zagor> hardeeps is an excellent programmer <- Hehe |
| 21:07:04 | tucoz | Wonder what happened to that paper-like-LCDs they were talking about some time agot. |
| 21:07:07 | Fujisan | comfortable* |
| 21:07:27 | flamingcow | tucoz: you can buy the sony dev kit for it |
| 21:07:29 | Fujisan | oh yeah philips and some othe companies made some electronic paper |
| 21:07:30 | flamingcow | only $3k :-P |
| 21:07:56 | Fujisan | well tucoz they did invent a printer that can print electronic devices |
| 21:08:03 | preglow | XavierGr: see where the first occurence of 'preglow' and 'idiot' in the same sentence happened :P |
| 21:08:11 | Fujisan | so they can make electronica very flexible |
| 21:08:14 | tucoz | Sure, but the electronic paper sounded like a good idea |
| 21:08:21 | Fujisan | yes it deos |
| 21:08:23 | Fujisan | does* |
| 21:08:35 | Fujisan | but it has to be just as good or better than books |
| 21:08:43 | Fujisan | orelse people wont use it |
| 21:08:51 | tucoz | As it behaves just like paper. Still, a book is the best way to read stuff anyway. |
| 21:08:59 | hardeep | hmmmm, does anyone have the latest sh1 crosscompiler with amiconn's patch for cygwin already built? |
| 21:09:04 | tucoz | bbl |
| 21:09:09 | Fujisan | ok tucoz |
| 21:09:19 | amiconn | hardeep: rockbox.org hosts cygwin packages |
| 21:09:30 | amiconn | Simply point the cygwin installer there |
| 21:09:44 | hardeep | amiconn: it didn't have your version last time i checked, let me try now |
| 21:10:00 | amiconn | Linus should have updated the packages |
| 21:10:01 | Fujisan | i just want to be able to upload text into my brain :) |
| 21:10:25 | Fujisan | no more boring hours of repeating to remember stuff |
| 21:10:25 | Fujisan | lol |
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| 21:10:38 | Fujisan | my cache is getting slower :/ |
| 21:10:39 | hardeep | amiconn: ah, yes, updated now. thanks! |
| 21:14:25 | Fujisan | and since reality is created in the brain i wouldnt mind to be able to be able to escape in some daydream reality that is just as real as this one |
| 21:15:00 | Fujisan | but according to quantum physics we our atoms are popping in and out of existence all the time |
| 21:15:01 | preglow | time for beer |
| 21:15:14 | Fujisan | lol i think its our refresh rate lmao |
| 21:15:14 | Fujisan | :P |
| 21:16:00 | Fujisan | beer is bad for your refresh rate :P |
| 21:16:07 | preglow | exactly |
| 21:16:14 | preglow | that's what makes it so good! |
| 21:16:21 | Fujisan | hehe yer |
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| 21:25:34 | markun | amiconn: should the voice strings be in latin1? |
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| 21:32:08 | amiconn | markun: I think they should be in utf-8 |
| 21:32:12 | amiconn | Otherwise we would mix encoding in the .lang files |
| 21:32:26 | amiconn | The problem is that I still couldn't come up with a good method to convert from utf-8 to windows' default encoding in a vbscript |
| 21:37:28 | preglow | really? |
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| 21:38:06 | flamingcow | amiconn: windows default meaning cp1252? |
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| 21:38:51 | amiconn | No, windows default meaning whatever the default is for that exact language version of windows |
| 21:39:17 | amiconn | english, german etc windows use cp1252 |
| 21:39:24 | amiconn | Others use different cps |
| 21:39:51 | preglow | and you can't convert easily to that? |
| 21:40:43 | amiconn | No. Neither vbscript nor the windows scripting host seem to offer functions / methods for that |
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| 21:41:44 | preglow | remarkable |
| 21:41:44 | linuxstb | What about changing genlang to output the voice files in a specified codepage? |
| 21:42:47 | preglow | that would most certainly be easy |
| 21:43:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Then genlang should know the necessary code page |
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| 21:43:16 | linuxstb | Shouldn't that be user-specified? |
| 21:43:26 | linuxstb | (defaulting to cp1252) |
| 21:44:10 | amiconn | I would like to integrate voice building into the build system |
| 21:44:22 | amiconn | 'make voices' |
| 21:44:36 | amiconn | Of course this can only work in cygwin |
| 21:44:55 | linuxstb | Is the codepage detectable from cygwin? |
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| 21:48:16 | preglow | are there any outstanding voice ui issues? |
| 21:48:54 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:49:03 | amiconn | The lag from hell when not playing music |
| 21:49:11 | amiconn | ...and that it still eats itself |
| 21:49:34 | amiconn | Seems it happens when a playlist stops at the end, but not when stopping manually |
| 21:50:45 | preglow | rocker says it actually crashes, though |
| 21:51:02 | preglow | i can't make rockbox on h120 crash, though i haven't tried too hard lately |
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| 21:51:46 | petur | haven't seen my h340 crash in quite some time |
| 21:52:25 | petur | but if it crashes for him this is all pointless of course |
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| 21:55:20 | hardeep | rocker's problems are probably related to voice ui |
| 21:55:39 | hardeep | i also haven't encountered a crash in a while, but i've not been using voice |
| 21:56:28 | lostlogic | definitely can still crash with voice. and voice can sometimes mess up USB. that and the giant file buffering issues are things I gotta deal with this week/weekend. |
| 21:56:41 | preglow | lostlogic: you're a saint |
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| 22:10:39 | * | petur starts fixing the agc patch and thanks amiconn for wrecking it :D |
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| 22:13:16 | amiconn | grr, seems there's another voice bug - on Ondio this time |
| 22:13:17 | amiconn | :( |
| 22:13:57 | amiconn | When changing language during playback, and voice is enabled, there will be a short dropout before or around the next rebuffer cycle |
| 22:14:35 | amiconn | Have to check whether this also applies to disk-based archos (after my test run finishes, which should be around midnight) |
| 22:14:53 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you know anything about this bug? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4785 |
| 22:15:14 | linuxstb | (same question to lostlogic...) |
| 22:16:01 | amiconn | Hmm, whoever extended the TREE_ATTR_ values didn't know much about hex values... |
| 22:16:39 | preglow | linuxstb: i've had a look at it, and no |
| 22:16:49 | preglow | linuxstb: i was thinking of asking david to have a look at it |
| 22:17:00 | preglow | being familiar with his own codec and all |
| 22:17:09 | amiconn | Hmm, loading a .lng calls talk_init() |
| 22:17:16 | * | amiconn suspects the bug there |
| 22:17:30 | petur | amiconn: most probably |
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| 22:18:00 | petur | if the buffer size changes it will conflict with the audio buffer |
| 22:18:08 | petur | s/will/can |
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| 22:18:33 | petur | unless audio is re-init as well |
| 22:19:26 | amiconn | On Ondio there is no conflict |
| 22:19:52 | amiconn | Voice is loaded *in* the audio buffer - but only if music isn't playing |
| 22:20:15 | amiconn | But I already see the problem, and I'm quite sure it doesn't affect disk-based archoses |
| 22:20:22 | petur | audio buffer is offset with the size of the talk buffer afaik |
| 22:20:39 | amiconn | petur: −−->> ONDIO <<−−−− |
| 22:20:54 | amiconn | It has only 2MB ram, as all archoses |
| 22:20:58 | petur | oh sorry :) |
| 22:21:12 | amiconn | The voice file barely fits |
| 22:21:24 | preglow | ahahah |
| 22:21:29 | preglow | so you rebuffer audio every two seconds? |
| 22:21:34 | amiconn | Nope |
| 22:21:42 | amiconn | We can't have voice during playback anyway |
| 22:21:47 | amiconn | (only one codec) |
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| 22:22:00 | preglow | so it's reloaded each time it needs to speak after playback? |
| 22:22:08 | amiconn | yes |
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| 22:22:24 | preglow | roit |
| 22:22:26 | amiconn | Not a big penalty |
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| 22:22:47 | amiconn | On disk-based archos we load the whole voice file at once, since we're concerned about spinups |
| 22:23:40 | amiconn | On Ondio we do a different thing, since we (1) don't have to care about spinups but (2) reading the MMC via SH1 SPI is slow, so we *are* concerned about read time |
| 22:24:04 | amiconn | First, only the header is read into ram, the clips are read as needed |
| 22:24:32 | amiconn | This way, voice UI is practically instant on Ondio |
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| 22:27:42 | amiconn | The bug is that this header reading also takes place when playing music and the language is changed... |
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| 22:33:10 | pixelma | linuxstb: why did you add a default game for Sudoku start-up, instead of providing the menu first (because sometimes one could want to build a new game or something else too)? |
| 22:33:33 | pixelma | I think that would be easier |
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| 22:33:53 | sharpe | gah... |
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| 22:35:40 | linuxstb | pixelma: So that the first thing a user sees is a game to play. I think it's friendlier than the menu. |
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| 22:39:40 | pixelma | linuxstb: ok, thx. That depends on what the user wants. I just thought that it would also be more consistent with the other plugins. But it's fine for me |
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| 22:52:37 | WillUK | hello |
| 22:53:23 | markun | hi |
| 22:54:06 | WillUK | so what goes on here? |
| 22:54:32 | sharpe | talking? |
| 22:54:40 | sharpe | discussion... |
| 22:54:45 | sharpe | et cetera |
| 22:55:01 | WillUK | lol |
| 22:55:11 | WillUK | rite |
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| 22:56:08 | WillUK | just saw a log of a previous chat about the arcam solo, so i thought i'd log in |
| 22:56:22 | sharpe | if i know what that is, sure! |
| 22:56:47 | WillUK | lol |
| 22:57:11 | WillUK | sumthing i'm programming a controller for, its a stereo system of course. |
| 22:57:18 | sharpe | mmm. |
| 22:57:21 | sharpe | 'kay. |
| 22:58:21 | WillUK | so what is there to chat about? |
| 22:58:49 | XavierGr | unsigned char mine : 1; <- what's the colon and the '1' in this expression? |
| 22:59:07 | sharpe | bitfields? |
| 22:59:41 | XavierGr | oh shit I don't know about them |
| 22:59:49 | sharpe | neither do i, it's okay. |
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| 23:02:31 | amiconn | fug bixed |
| 23:02:56 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 23:03:39 | XavierGr | I discovered a typedef in minesweeper.c. I am currently trying to hunt down a bug, do I have to squash it? |
| 23:03:45 | Cassandra | WillUK, I'm proposing to add support for the Arcam rLead to Rockbox at some point. |
| 23:03:52 | Cassandra | Not got around to it yet. |
| 23:03:54 | XavierGr | (I mean the typedef |
| 23:04:33 | WillUK | what is rockbox? |
| 23:04:40 | amiconn | XavierGr: Typedefs have their pros, and for plugins, the rockbox coding style rules are more relaxed than for the core |
| 23:04:42 | WillUK | as i'm a newbie |
| 23:04:53 | amiconn | If you wanna see what I mean, check e.g. video.c ... |
| 23:04:56 | WillUK | takes a look at website lol |
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| 23:05:21 | XavierGr | amiconn: ok then I will leave it alone |
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| 23:07:10 | WillUK | right cassandra |
| 23:07:40 | WillUK | i made a program to control the arcam from laptop, redesigning it now |
| 23:09:22 | Cassandra | Will - that's cool. Are you willing to share the source? I'd be interested in taking a look. |
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| 23:10:03 | WillUK | i will when i've redesigned it. the one i have now is a mess. |
| 23:10:11 | sharpe | ah... not that anyone cares, i'll be back tomorrow. and if not, the next day. and if not then, i'll be back on someone in a week. |
| 23:10:48 | WillUK | it just sends the standard binary code over a com port to the device to do a task. its not rocket science |
| 23:11:29 | WillUK | got a excel document of all the codes if your interested |
| 23:12:57 | Cassandra | Please Will. Probably nothing that's not in the manual, but useful to have a summary. |
| 23:15:13 | linuxstb | Looks like Doom starts to use IRAM before it grabs the audio buffer - causing obvious problems if music is playing.... |
| 23:15:30 | Cassandra | Bad Doom. No cookie. |
| 23:17:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have voice enabled? |
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| 23:18:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: No. |
| 23:18:35 | amiconn | Nasty things happen in doom when voice is enabled |
| 23:18:53 | qwm | :> |
| 23:18:57 | amiconn | The voice code swaps the voice codec iram parts in - but doom also uses iram |
| 23:19:11 | linuxstb | But Doom shouldn't use the voice code? |
| 23:19:12 | * | XavierGr is prepared to amek a battery_bench with the new magic 'amiconn-told' option! :p |
| 23:19:15 | linuxstb | Or does it? |
| 23:19:30 | preglow | doesn't doom shut down playback? |
| 23:19:31 | amiconn | It uses standard menus.... |
| 23:19:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, but not before it starts to use IRAM. I'm about to fix it. |
| 23:19:51 | preglow | good |
| 23:20:03 | qwm | amiconn: what's your personal programming history? |
| 23:20:20 | linuxstb | I'm assuming just calling rb->audio_stop(); at the start of the plugin is the correct fix? |
| 23:20:43 | amiconn | ... (1) numeric options are voiced regardless (2) literal options probably state 'no clip' the wrong way |
| 23:20:49 | preglow | i've used pcm_play_stop in the past, i remember |
| 23:20:52 | preglow | don't know what's best |
| 23:20:56 | amiconn | It's the same bug as the one I fixed in the viewer... |
| 23:20:59 | lostlogic | pcm_play_stop is wrong. |
| 23:21:06 | lostlogic | audio_stop is right. |
| 23:21:13 | preglow | what he said |
| 23:21:20 | preglow | i'll just go correct my code in the meanwhile... |
| 23:21:25 | lostlogic | but that doesn't explicitly stop voice, so the menus will need to be not voiced somehow. |
| 23:21:29 | Cassandra | Anyone got a Windows binary of the H3xx UI simulator |
| 23:21:45 | linuxstb | Should Doom stop voice then? |
| 23:21:58 | linuxstb | There are probably other plugins with the same problem - e.g. pacbox. |
| 23:22:06 | amiconn | Yes, but of course not permanent |
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| 23:22:43 | linuxstb | Should we do it in plugin.c then? It seems like a temporary fix anyway, so it would be easier if it was just in one place. |
| 23:22:44 | lostlogic | any plugin that uses the codec iram, or an amount of the audiobuf that would overlap into the pcmbuf area at the end of it should not make talk_* calls. |
| 23:23:12 | lostlogic | but I don't know how to disable voice. |
| 23:23:23 | amiconn | No, not in plugin.c |
| 23:23:54 | amiconn | Only plugins using iram need to stop voice |
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| 23:25:59 | linuxstb | But anyway, how can voice be stopped? |
| 23:26:34 | amiconn | Voice uses the global setting directly. Since it is app code, it is allowed to do so |
| 23:28:05 | shirour | hi. who can i talk to concerning a new port? |
| 23:29:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: So for example just do "rb->global_settings->talk_menu = false;" ? (remembering the old value for exit) |
| 23:29:21 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 23:29:23 | linuxstb | shirour: Just ask questions here. |
| 23:29:28 | amiconn | However, this is nasty.... |
| 23:30:18 | shirour | ok. i'm working on the m:robe 500i - DM320 based player.... |
| 23:30:33 | shirour | i've had some success, changing the original firmware |
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| 23:30:45 | shirour | and finding a way to upload a different one |
| 23:31:07 | shirour | now i want to start a port of rockbox to it |
| 23:31:09 | linuxstb | So you can run your own code safely? |
| 23:31:14 | shirour | quite so... |
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| 23:31:43 | shirour | i've also foudn that it uses libpng 1.2.5 so i thought of using its exploit |
| 23:32:05 | shirour | so far i've managed only to cause an error |
| 23:33:16 | tucoz | Cassandra, do you still want a binary? |
| 23:33:16 | amiconn | Hmm. V1 charging isn't as good as it should be |
| 23:33:27 | shirour | who can i talk about getting this thing started? |
| 23:33:42 | WillUK | g2g ttyl |
| 23:33:43 | amiconn | Got 21 hours with externally charged batteries, but only 19 hours with internally charged batteries |
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| 23:33:58 | Cassandra | 16 bit displays have how many colours again? |
| 23:34:06 | Mikachu | 2^16 |
| 23:34:24 | Mikachu | 65536 :) |
| 23:34:29 | tucoz | Cassandra, nevermind. I can't build it anymore. I thought I could build an exe on linux, but I guess not. |
| 23:34:37 | linuxstb | shirour: There is no-one really "in charge" of ports. My advice would be to just ask questions here, or maybe on the rockbox-dev mailing list. |
| 23:34:40 | Mikachu | you can but it takes some work |
| 23:34:53 | tucoz | I see. Change the configure script? |
| 23:35:03 | tucoz | or makefile perhaps |
| 23:35:12 | Mikachu | do you have a windows crosscompiler? |
| 23:35:14 | shirour | i see... well, my first question is hwo to start writing the bootloader |
| 23:35:20 | amiconn | XavierGr: It seems my theory #1 is true regarding battery_bench |
| 23:35:25 | shirour | somehow i need to figure out the addresses of the different devices |
| 23:35:35 | tucoz | Mikachu, yes. I have mingw |
| 23:35:36 | shirour | but i dont know how...... |
| 23:35:38 | lostlogic | shirour: does it run linux? |
| 23:35:55 | shirour | no - it runs eSol's prKernel |
| 23:36:19 | lostlogic | shirour: closed source, I assume? |
| 23:36:29 | shirour | yes.... |
| 23:36:50 | preglow | lostlogic: amiconn what theory is that? |
| 23:36:52 | preglow | ehh |
| 23:36:57 | preglow | amiconn: what theory is that? |
| 23:37:14 | lostlogic | shirour: then you probably need to either find datasheets and make schematics of the thing, or disassemble the stock firmware to determine device addresses, and how to fork your new boot loader |
| 23:37:40 | amiconn | It detects the spinup, but until it gets to actually saving the result, the playxback code already called ata_sleep() -> causes an extra spinup |
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| 23:37:54 | shirour | i don't understand... how can i tell the way the devices are mapped? i guess in DM320 it is quite general no? |
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| 23:38:03 | shirour | i mean - screen adapter is built in i think... |
| 23:38:10 | amiconn | argh. ti crap |
| 23:38:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: have a solution in mind? |
| 23:38:20 | lostlogic | hehe |
| 23:38:36 | markun | shirour: a little info (not much) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 23:39:00 | shirour | i saw the info page at rockbox.org about tms320, but it has no information .... |
| 23:39:05 | linuxstb | shirour: I guess you have two options: reading datasheets (which I don't think exist in the public for the DM320) or disassembling the original firmware. |
| 23:39:17 | linuxstb | ... which makes one option. |
| 23:39:20 | Cassandra | tucoz: Thanks for trying. |
| 23:39:33 | Cassandra | If it were buildable on Linux, I could do it myself. |
| 23:39:37 | Cassandra | Mikachu, thanks. |
| 23:39:52 | amiconn | Why oh why do so many dap manufacturers choose closed, nda-ridden platforms today :( |
| 23:40:01 | tucoz | Cassandra, ok. I thought you were using windows atm. |
| 23:40:03 | shirour | i can disassemble the fw, but how do i recognize the different maps? is there a good simulator for these arm based things? cause the |
| 23:40:14 | shirour | fw copies parts of it to the ram so the addresses mess |
| 23:40:16 | amiconn | The nice thing about both SH1 and coldfire is that they are well documented, open source compiler exists etc |
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| 23:41:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: don't you know? They are protecting their IP and the rights of music providers by using closed platforms! :-D |
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| 23:41:46 | amiconn | blargh |
| 23:42:14 | shirour | any tip of how recognizing hardware calls ? serials / video etc? |
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| 23:42:42 | shirour | (how to recognize... sorry for the english) |
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| 23:46:17 | shirour | wel... thanks anyway.... |
| 23:46:37 | markun | Good luck |
| 23:47:01 | shirour | thanks.... after i found a way, can i just compile the source with arm cross compiler? |
| 23:47:21 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:47:25 | shirour | where do i need to change the memory addresses? is there a configuartion file? |
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| 23:48:15 | linuxstb | There are various files - you'll need to add your target to tools/configure, then create a config-????.h file in firmware/export, and include that config file from firmware/export/config.h |
| 23:48:39 | linuxstb | Other important files to start changing are firmware/boot.lds (and firmware/app.lds for Rockbox itself) and firmware/crt0.S |
| 23:48:58 | shirour | and i need to write my own drivers? |
| 23:49:16 | shirour | because i know there are versions of linux running on the dm320 |
| 23:49:44 | linuxstb | Yes, or adapt the existing ones if your target is using chips used in other Rockbox targets. The drivers are specific to Rockbox - but Linux source will be very helpful. |
| 23:50:02 | shirour | ok i see.... |
| 23:50:24 | tucoz | good night |
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| 23:50:29 | shirour | and does anyone know of any place where i can find a working dm320 based software? |
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| 23:53:43 | shirour | well, thank you all... bye |
| 23:54:04 | preglow | amiconn: so you would have gotten better playtime without battery bench??? |
| 23:54:14 | amiconn | Yes, on archos |
| 23:54:24 | preglow | ah, right |
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| 23:54:42 | amiconn | But 21hours aren't exactly bad... |
| 23:54:49 | preglow | no, it's not |
| 23:55:39 | amiconn | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:55:51 | amiconn | Do ipods support disk poweroff? |
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