| 00:00:02 | Moos | probably :) |
| 00:00:07 | amiconn | Otherwise the rwps wouldn't be there when you plug in the remote |
| 00:00:20 | amiconn | (or any other remote lcd content for that matter) |
| 00:00:25 | qwm | :) |
| 00:00:51 | stripwax | amiconn - ok but for example the scrolling thead could be idle |
| 00:01:18 | amiconn | Rendering the remote lcd isn't much cpu load - the remote is monochrome, the framebuffer just 1KB |
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| 00:01:53 | amiconn | The major cpu drain is the remote lcd transfer - that of course doesn't happen when no remote is plugged |
| 00:01:55 | stripwax | amiconn mm, true. but for those of us who don't even have a remote, would disabling it much/any difference |
| 00:02:06 | stripwax | sure |
| 00:02:25 | Moos | "isn't much cpu load" |
| 00:03:10 | Moos | but probably too much for people w/o remote at all :) |
| 00:03:30 | Falco98 | just registered with nickserv :-P |
| 00:03:37 | amiconn | Hmm. Sleeping the remote scroll thread while no remote is plugged is probably a good idea |
| 00:04:03 | stripwax | amiconn - thanks (I suggested it previously but no-one bought it) |
| 00:04:14 | amiconn | The display doesn't need to be time-exact when plugging the remote |
| 00:04:15 | Moos | indeed |
| 00:04:17 | stripwax | right |
| 00:04:44 | amiconn | The scrolling lines would still be set up, but they wouldn't scroll "in the dark" |
| 00:04:49 | stripwax | yep |
| 00:06:01 | * | Moos turns off his mind after a bloody hard day |
| 00:06:11 | Moos | night or whatever all |
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| 00:08:48 | amiconn | Looks like an easy thing to add.... |
| 00:09:52 | stripwax | I had a look and it looked like it would be a two-liner (just putting a Continue in the scroll thread loop), but maybe there's a smarter Rockboxy way to turn off that thread |
| 00:10:27 | amiconn | A continue would make the thread still wake up every cycle |
| 00:10:38 | amiconn | There's a better way (needing 3 lines) |
| 00:10:49 | Mikachu | wow, every cycle? :) |
| 00:11:05 | amiconn | Every 'delay' cycles |
| 00:11:12 | Mikachu | ah heh |
| 00:11:21 | amiconn | That depends on how your scroll speed is set |
| 00:11:45 | stripwax | BTW - I use the fastest scroll speed with 1-pixel scrolling :) |
| 00:11:45 | amiconn | if (remote_initialized) |
| 00:11:45 | amiconn | queue_wait_w_tmo(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev, delay); |
| 00:11:45 | amiconn | else |
| 00:11:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 00:11:45 | amiconn | queue_wait(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev); |
| 00:12:04 | stripwax | amiconn - yeah, something like that ;-) |
| 00:12:42 | amiconn | ..in place of the queue_waitw_tmo() |
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| 00:28:11 | afruff23 | In the dual-boot bootloader for the X5. how can I choose which version of Cowon's FW I want to use? |
| 00:28:31 | afruff23 | does it just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader? |
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| 00:34:14 | afruff23 | can anbody answer my second question with yes or no? I don't need an explanation. |
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| 00:46:38 | afruff23 | does the X5 dual-bootloader just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader? |
| 00:48:39 | markun | afruff23: did you read this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 |
| 00:48:47 | afruff23 | yes |
| 00:48:57 | markun | "have original x5-fw.bin in your build-x5-bootloader dir" |
| 00:49:08 | markun | don't know where to get that though |
| 00:49:29 | afruff23 | but on iaudiophile forums, a guy said it uses the FW that was on it before |
| 00:49:33 | afruff23 | I doubt it though |
| 00:49:39 | afruff23 | whcih is why I asked to make sure |
| 00:49:56 | markun | Why do you doubt that? |
| 00:50:48 | afruff23 | so he's right? |
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| 00:51:25 | afruff23 | http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpost.php?p=84001&postcount=119 |
| 00:51:29 | afruff23 | that's the psot |
| 00:51:38 | afruff23 | maybe I paraphrased it wrong |
| 00:51:52 | markun | Hm, no, it uses the iaudio firmware image on this site I think: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 00:52:50 | afruff23 | the dualboot is in the patch tracker |
| 00:53:01 | afruff23 | sorry if I misunderstand you |
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| 00:54:00 | markun | I don't see him saying anything about the firmware that was on it before |
| 00:54:17 | afruff23 | H#mod is the firmware that was on it ebfore |
| 00:54:34 | afruff23 | his instructions don't make sesne |
| 00:54:44 | markun | The make sense to me |
| 00:54:48 | afruff23 | he enver mentions ever putting the dual-boot on to the player itself |
| 00:55:31 | afruff23 | he jsut says put the H3mod firmware on the X5(H3mod is hacked version of the original firmware) and the dualbootlaoder is now installed |
| 00:55:41 | markun | No, h3mod is not a firmware |
| 00:55:58 | markun | h3mod is a tool to change an existing firmware (including the dual boot firmware) |
| 00:56:18 | afruff23 | yes, whcih results in a new bin file |
| 00:56:20 | afruff23 | correct |
| 00:56:22 | afruff23 | ? |
| 00:56:27 | markun | sure |
| 00:57:25 | markun | And if you use the dual boot firmware and change it with h3mod the result will still be dual boot |
| 00:57:31 | afruff23 | so in step #2, is he saying to copy the H3mod FW over or the dual-boot FW? |
| 00:58:02 | markun | Yes, and the h3mod firmware is dual boot.. |
| 00:58:21 | markun | Think about it some more, I'm going to sleep |
| 00:58:23 | markun | Good night |
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| 01:02:06 | yuriks | Hi |
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| 01:10:32 | pjo | Hello! I just installed RockBox into iPod Photo, but could anyone help me how to find the music ? |
| 01:10:51 | pjo | there is no file browser |
| 01:11:13 | afruff23 | did you transfer the files using iTUnes? |
| 01:11:25 | sharpe | pjo: what do you mean, there is no file browser? |
| 01:12:17 | afruff23 | you can't view files transferred to your iPod unless they were copied to it as a drive ltter |
| 01:12:21 | afruff23 | letter* |
| 01:12:22 | pjo | in the first screen menu, i do not see the file browser item, music were transfered by iTunes |
| 01:12:27 | afruff23 | i.e. no software |
| 01:12:36 | afruff23 | use foobar's foo_pod plugin |
| 01:12:41 | afruff23 | to sort the databse |
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| 01:12:54 | pjo | ok i will try thanks |
| 01:13:11 | sharpe | first screen menu? you mean, the first screen that comes up when you boot rockbox? |
| 01:13:38 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav |
| 01:13:53 | afruff23 | pjo, read that |
| 01:17:18 | pjo | yes |
| 01:17:29 | sharpe | that's the filebrowser. |
| 01:18:08 | pjo | ok |
| 01:18:20 | pjo | i am installing foo |
| 01:18:44 | afruff23 | but make sure you read the link I gave you |
| 01:20:07 | pjo | i am reading it now thanks |
| 01:21:22 | pjo | does foo change the file names already in iPod ? |
| 01:21:54 | midkay | pjo, what model are you using? |
| 01:22:16 | midkay | ah, photo.. well, i tried foo_pod, it didn't work for me. why not just use TagCache? |
| 01:22:35 | pjo | oh scarely |
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| 01:22:50 | afruff23 | scarely? |
| 01:22:50 | pjo | mine is Photo 60G |
| 01:22:53 | midkay | tagcache is quick and supported and configurable. |
| 01:23:03 | midkay | afruff23, you *really* can't tell what that means? |
| 01:23:33 | afruff23 | no, I can't |
| 01:23:39 | midkay | take out the l. |
| 01:23:59 | afruff23 | that threw me off ;) |
| 01:24:17 | afruff23 | and it seems out of cotnext |
| 01:24:20 | afruff23 | context* |
| 01:24:29 | midkay | out of context how? |
| 01:24:45 | afruff23 | how is it scary? |
| 01:24:55 | afruff23 | BTW, there's no "e" |
| 01:25:07 | pjo | i meant to damage the existing music files.... |
| 01:25:13 | midkay | i know, but you should at least be able to tell what "scarey" means. |
| 01:25:20 | afruff23 | it won't damge the files |
| 01:25:28 | afruff23 | damage* |
| 01:25:31 | midkay | pjo, you don't need to touch a thing for your files. just use rockbox's TagCache feature. |
| 01:25:37 | pjo | ok that is what I wanted to know thanks |
| 01:25:37 | afruff23 | you have to first copy it to your PC |
| 01:25:57 | midkay | pjo, i wouldn't suggest trying it. i had to recopy everything after i messed around with foo_pod. |
| 01:26:01 | pjo | TagCache, I do not have to install it ? |
| 01:26:05 | afruff23 | no |
| 01:26:14 | midkay | pjo, Pentagon Releases Video of Sept. 11 Attack |
| 01:26:15 | midkay | 1010 Wins, NY - 17 minutes ago |
| 01:26:17 | midkay | oops. |
| 01:26:18 | afruff23 | you have to change file view to ID3 database |
| 01:26:18 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 01:26:37 | afruff23 | and you ahve to force tag cache to update for the first time |
| 01:26:38 | pjo | yes I am reading it now |
| 01:27:06 | pjo | but why I have to copy music files to PC ? though I already did it using yamipod |
| 01:27:22 | midkay | pjo, what? you don't.. |
| 01:27:55 | pjo | I mean to run TagCache, do I have to copy music files to PC ? |
| 01:28:04 | midkay | no, it doesn't say that anywhere. |
| 01:28:21 | midkay | you just do a few things on your iPod, and it's enabled. |
| 01:28:25 | pjo | afruff23 wrote that |
| 01:28:41 | midkay | he doesn't know what he's talking about, I think :) |
| 01:28:48 | pjo | ok |
| 01:29:05 | pjo | what is the significance of the pentagon video ? |
| 01:29:20 | midkay | pjo, it was my mistake, meant to paste the TagCache link. |
| 01:29:37 | pjo | oh but it looks interesting |
| 01:29:48 | afruff23 | I was tlaking about foo_pod when I said copy files to PC |
| 01:29:58 | midkay | afruff23, why would you need to copy files to your PC? |
| 01:30:03 | pjo | oh thanks |
| 01:30:15 | afruff23 | I don't knwo, but it's in the drections in the link I posted |
| 01:30:24 | afruff23 | know* |
| 01:30:25 | midkay | pjo, yes, apparently a couple of hours ago a video was released of a plane hitting the pentagon. |
| 01:30:55 | afruff23 | are you serious? |
| 01:31:08 | pjo | anyway thanks to Loader 2 now I can select APple, RockBox, iPodLinux triple threat !!! |
| 01:32:27 | midkay | i am indeed... check any news site, probably front-page everywhere.. |
| 01:32:36 | midkay | afruff23, can i ask why you suggested foo_pod instead of TagCache? |
| 01:32:52 | afruff23 | because your filenames will be in order |
| 01:33:19 | midkay | why wouldn't they be with tagcache? |
| 01:33:19 | pjo | what will happen if I do TagCache then foo ? |
| 01:33:28 | midkay | as long as your files are tagged correctly |
| 01:33:40 | afruff23 | because iTUnes places the files in a fodler with soem random filenames |
| 01:33:44 | afruff23 | folder* |
| 01:33:48 | midkay | pjo, i wouldn't touch foo, honestly, tagcache works great, foo_pod is not very useful and tends not to work. |
| 01:33:48 | pjo | yes |
| 01:33:49 | afruff23 | tagcache doesn't fix that |
| 01:33:54 | midkay | afruff23, yes, actually, it does. |
| 01:33:59 | midkay | that's why it's called TAG cache, not FILENAME cache. |
| 01:34:06 | pjo | fix what ? |
| 01:34:16 | midkay | please don't attempt to help people when you have no idea what you're talking about.. *brb* |
| 01:34:17 | afruff23 | I ama ware that it allows you to browse files |
| 01:34:18 | pjo | oh fix tag ? |
| 01:34:25 | afruff23 | but it doesn't rename them |
| 01:34:48 | pjo | iTunes does not put tags ? |
| 01:35:55 | midkay | back. |
| 01:35:57 | afruff23 | tag cache doesn't fix anything. It ssut databases the tags and shows them to you. Sicne you most likely have correct tags since you used apple's firmware before, he suggested tagcache |
| 01:36:01 | pjo | if file names are corrected, will Apple firmware play them ? |
| 01:36:02 | afruff23 | no, iTUens has correct tags |
| 01:36:06 | midkay | afruff23, no, no *reason* to rename them. |
| 01:36:21 | midkay | it SHOWS their tags but doesn't touch the original filenames. |
| 01:36:34 | pjo | ok |
| 01:36:43 | afruff23 | if he ever wants to use somethign other than tagcache then he will be begging to have correct filenames |
| 01:36:50 | midkay | pjo, tagcache doesn't touch your songs. that way ipod firmware will play them, but tagcache shows you their names but redirects you to the correct file. |
| 01:36:58 | Cassandra | Damn it. I'm finding myself liking the Finnish Eurovision entry. It's so bad it's actually good. |
| 01:37:08 | midkay | afruff23, well, this isn't the time or place to deal with that. |
| 01:37:43 | afruff23 | Personally, I prefer file browser and I don't want to limit pjo to just using tagcache |
| 01:38:01 | midkay | afruff23, foo_pod doesn't rename them for you. |
| 01:38:04 | afruff23 | also how is he goign to know which file is which when he wants to delte something without software? |
| 01:38:17 | midkay | it just updates apple's db to see what files are on the device. |
| 01:38:23 | midkay | so this does not pertain to correctly naming songs. |
| 01:38:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:38:40 | midkay | second, he can delete them from itunes, of course. |
| 01:38:40 | pjo | I am confused. in PC I can see my music files with all names |
| 01:38:56 | pjo | not random names |
| 01:39:01 | midkay | pjo, you said your music is transferred from itunes. |
| 01:39:20 | pjo | yes and I copied it back to PC using other tool |
| 01:39:25 | midkay | alright.. |
| 01:39:32 | afruff23 | midkay, I said without software |
| 01:39:44 | midkay | afruff23, you can't delete things from the ipod firmware without software. |
| 01:39:48 | midkay | not like it's that important. |
| 01:40:54 | midkay | pjo, so your music is stored on your iPod with random filenames in hidden folders. |
| 01:40:54 | afruff23 | what happens if I delte an apple FW-recognized file using the filebrowser and I don't update the iTuens DB? |
| 01:41:08 | pjo | let me check |
| 01:41:21 | midkay | afruff23, maybe the db would update itself when you plugged it back in? |
| 01:41:44 | afruff23 | but say I don't plug it back into the PC, what happens? |
| 01:41:50 | afruff23 | this is not a rhetorical question |
| 01:41:54 | midkay | it skips over the file in the ipod firmware. |
| 01:42:06 | midkay | it shows up but is skipped. |
| 01:42:26 | midkay | and i'm not speculating. foo_pod screwed up my database, i had experience with this.. |
| 01:42:47 | pjo | I checked the files |
| 01:42:54 | midkay | which files? |
| 01:43:19 | pjo | all music has a long file name such as 2-04 Partita No. 2 in D-min.m4a |
| 01:43:31 | midkay | that's on your pc. |
| 01:43:33 | pjo | but the directory name is F04 etc |
| 01:43:41 | pjo | this is on iPod |
| 01:44:03 | midkay | did you modify anything or use foo_pod? |
| 01:44:13 | pjo | i did not use foo |
| 01:44:22 | pjo | i did not modify |
| 01:44:35 | midkay | i don't know why that happens, maybe some software you ran did it, but itunes copies them over as four letters/numbers per name.. |
| 01:44:46 | pjo | ok |
| 01:44:56 | pjo | now am I ok to use TagCache ? |
| 01:45:06 | midkay | you're ok to use tagcache anywhere anytime.. |
| 01:45:07 | afruff23 | you were always ok to use it |
| 01:45:09 | midkay | just follow the instructions. |
| 01:46:28 | afruff23 | but please note that tagcache has some limitations, but wiht properly-tagged files you will not expereince msot of the limitations |
| 01:46:44 | pjo | When RockBox is booted I cannot see general settings |
| 01:47:11 | midkay | press menu.. |
| 01:47:20 | midkay | afruff23, like what limitations? |
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| 01:47:39 | Jd|uni | hey all |
| 01:48:04 | pjo | menu did, Recent Bookmarks, Klank Opsies, ..... but no General Settings |
| 01:48:06 | afruff23 | you can't insert a whole album |
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| 01:48:23 | midkay | by god, what a limitation it is.. |
| 01:48:23 | XavierGr | pjo: which composer's partita? :p |
| 01:48:39 | pjo | it is Bach |
| 01:48:50 | XavierGr | nice! |
| 01:48:53 | midkay | pjo, klank opsies? |
| 01:48:58 | afruff23 | search by year. It shows songs not from the year, but ALL THE songs from the artist who has a song in that year. |
| 01:49:04 | midkay | is that a different language? it should be the third entry.. |
| 01:49:12 | midkay | afruff23, who browses by year? |
| 01:49:16 | pjo | and Algemene Opsies |
| 01:49:20 | midkay | it'll be fixed in due time.. |
| 01:49:25 | afruff23 | in other words, if you have 100's of songs from 1 year, then you have to go through a very long list |
| 01:49:58 | afruff23 | the genre in tagcache, and go to untagged. The files show up as filenames with extensions, rather than artists, which would be further subdivided to have the filenames of ONLY non-genre-tagged files. |
| 01:50:03 | midkay | afruff23, thanks for the baby explanation, but if anyone needs it, it's you.. tagcache is not perfect, but it's far simpler and quicker than a broken piece of software that will probably mangle your apple database. |
| 01:50:03 | pjo | pls tell me how to launch TagCache, s'il vous plait |
| 01:50:32 | midkay | pjo, sigh, sigh, sigh. it'd be Algemene Opsies, i think, but select another language, since you can't read that one, apparently. |
| 01:50:59 | pjo | what language is this ? |
| 01:51:32 | bagawk | I am glad I am not french and have to say "s'il vous plait" to say please! |
| 01:51:42 | midkay | um, good one, bagawk... |
| 01:51:53 | midkay | pjo, i have no idea, but you must have selected it.. |
| 01:52:03 | midkay | check .rockbox/langs for english or french if you wish. |
| 01:52:08 | scorche | bagawk: it technically means if you please...not just please |
| 01:52:17 | bagawk | Ohh |
| 01:52:29 | bagawk | Well the frech have some nice radio |
| 01:52:35 | bagawk | radioabf is my favorite |
| 01:52:46 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:52:46 | * | afruff23 is glad I don't have a rockbox'd iPod and have to deal with all these limitations and risking using bad software |
| 01:52:47 | pjo | i managed to change the language to English |
| 01:53:05 | midkay | alright, now follow the instructions.. |
| 01:53:34 | afruff23 | I never used foo_pod myself, I was just taking info straight from the iPod faq |
| 01:53:51 | Jd|uni | Falco98: u around? |
| 01:54:07 | pjo | I clicked Tag Cache and selected Keep on disk |
| 01:54:14 | midkay | alright, well, as far as your limitations before, by the way - browsing by year or genre is not possible *at all* without tagcache. |
| 01:54:20 | pjo | how do I initiate database creation ? |
| 01:54:20 | midkay | pjo, alright, now force an update.. |
| 01:54:41 | pjo | how ? |
| 01:54:52 | afruff23 | Well genre is possible with correct directory structure |
| 01:55:00 | midkay | but then not year. |
| 01:55:06 | afruff23 | yes you can |
| 01:55:12 | afruff23 | use smart playlists |
| 01:55:20 | afruff23 | such as in foobar2000 |
| 01:55:20 | midkay | not at the same time, not without duplicate files.. not last i checked.. |
| 01:55:25 | midkay | that requires adjustment from a pc. |
| 01:55:37 | pjo | pls instruct me how to initiate DB creation ? |
| 01:55:44 | midkay | pjo, _force_ _an_ _update_. |
| 01:55:49 | midkay | like the instructions say, and like i said. |
| 01:55:57 | pjo | i do not see that |
| 01:55:58 | midkay | it should be right in the menu. force tagcache update. |
| 01:56:09 | midkay | playback menu, right below the keep on disk option. |
| 01:56:10 | pjo | oh i was in a wrong menu |
| 01:57:08 | pjo | I could not find force_.... in tut |
| 01:57:26 | afruff23 | midkay, do you use tagcache? if so, do you keep it on disk or RAM, or on disk with dircache? |
| 01:57:31 | midkay | the underscores were for emphasis. |
| 01:57:41 | pjo | after clicking it nothing is displayed to respond it is this ok ? |
| 01:57:42 | midkay | afruff23, i use tagcache every day, and i load it to ram. |
| 01:57:51 | midkay | pjo, it would splash "updating in background" and then update. |
| 01:58:04 | pjo | ok |
| 01:58:44 | afruff23 | whcih iPod do you use? |
| 01:58:49 | afruff23 | @midkay |
| 01:59:12 | midkay | 5g |
| 01:59:15 | afruff23 | I'm just wodnering if it draisn your battery a lot loaded to RAM |
| 01:59:29 | afruff23 | currently I load it to disk with dircache on my X5L |
| 01:59:31 | midkay | the only way it would affect battery is slighly less RAM.. |
| 01:59:45 | midkay | and it's so unnoticeably small of a hit that it's probably maybe a few minutes in total.. |
| 01:59:55 | midkay | worth the quick navigation. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:08 | yuriks | hmm |
| 02:00:12 | afruff23 | is it jsut faster on booting or navigationa s well? |
| 02:00:13 | yuriks | how do I start rockdoom? |
| 02:00:23 | afruff23 | read the guide |
| 02:00:27 | pjo | i clicked a wrong menu and I am now in a directry of photos, how do I exit from here ? |
| 02:00:36 | midkay | afruff23, faster always, instant browsing, like dircache, only with the tag browser. |
| 02:00:45 | midkay | pjo, um, the left button? |
| 02:00:47 | yuriks | ok, it says it should be on the plugin list, but it isn't |
| 02:01:02 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 02:01:05 | midkay | it's called 'doom', not 'rockdoom', in the plugins browser. |
| 02:01:17 | pjo | left button moves the photo |
| 02:01:21 | yuriks | nope |
| 02:01:59 | afruff23 | you mean there's nothing called Doom in your plugins list? |
| 02:02:04 | yuriks | yeah |
| 02:02:07 | afruff23 | how old is your build? |
| 02:02:17 | yuriks | it's the latest |
| 02:02:20 | preglow | excuse me |
| 02:02:24 | yuriks | I installed it today |
| 02:02:25 | preglow | I must confess |
| 02:02:27 | preglow | I am a homosexual |
| 02:02:29 | afruff23 | which model? |
| 02:02:31 | preglow | please dont hate me |
| 02:02:33 | yuriks | mini 2g |
| 02:02:43 | afruff23 | it doesn't work on it |
| 02:02:48 | yuriks | >_< |
| 02:02:52 | midkay | we love you preglow. |
| 02:03:00 | preglow | midkay: if you are male, I love you too |
| 02:03:05 | yuriks | ... |
| 02:03:15 | midkay | in fact i am. |
| 02:03:29 | preglow | then let us make sweet love |
| 02:03:33 | bagawk | uhh |
| 02:03:35 | | Quit cismo_ (Success) |
| 02:03:36 | afruff23 | WTF |
| 02:03:36 | | Part bagawk |
| 02:03:40 | yuriks | meh, sucks to no have doom =( |
| 02:03:40 | pjo | pls help me to exit from photo viewer |
| 02:03:51 | scorche | how dare tehy have this kind of convo without me?!? |
| 02:03:53 | | Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) |
| 02:04:00 | midkay | bagawk, nice dramatic effect.. |
| 02:04:04 | afruff23 | I don't knwo about photo iPod but on the X5 it's a tap of the power button |
| 02:04:10 | bagawk | please not here |
| 02:04:18 | afruff23 | it's probably menu+ select for you |
| 02:04:22 | yuriks | what about hold switchage? |
| 02:04:25 | pjo | i do not have power button in Photo |
| 02:04:33 | bagawk | plase /query each other :) |
| 02:04:34 | yuriks | menu+ok |
| 02:04:36 | bagawk | not here |
| 02:04:41 | midkay | preglow, um, yeah, are you alright? :) |
| 02:04:42 | pjo | hold switch nothing happens |
| 02:04:42 | afruff23 | then try menu+select |
| 02:04:56 | yuriks | meh, should the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on? |
| 02:05:00 | midkay | bagawk, um.. calm down.. /query yourself if you don't wanna be in the channel :) |
| 02:05:06 | preglow | midkay: finally I have taken the step. I am now out of the closet. My life is complete |
| 02:05:15 | midkay | this is exactly what #rockbox was created for! |
| 02:05:25 | pjo | menu + center worked ! thanks |
| 02:05:38 | yuriks | I had to use it to exit form a plugin =P |
| 02:05:45 | preglow | today I took sthe step. I kissed the boy I love. He his now in kindergarten |
| 02:05:50 | preglow | s/his/is |
| 02:06:02 | afruff23 | are you trying to scare me away |
| 02:06:02 | preglow | his mother is a tramp |
| 02:06:08 | afruff23 | you know you can just ask ;) |
| 02:06:08 | midkay | someone's drunk-ish or something.. |
| 02:06:16 | bagawk | wtf |
| 02:06:26 | preglow | midkay: hahah, its his friend, I am afraid |
| 02:06:32 | preglow | I was hoping to slander him |
| 02:06:40 | preglow | regrettably he is standing besides me laughing |
| 02:06:41 | preglow | all in vain.. |
| 02:06:42 | midkay | preglow, cute :) |
| 02:06:46 | preglow | (and yes, we are drunk) |
| 02:06:52 | midkay | tell him i love crossfeedv2 please. |
| 02:06:56 | bagawk | we have a petifile in here |
| 02:06:58 | bagawk | my god |
| 02:07:01 | midkay | petifile? HAHA. |
| 02:07:14 | afruff23 | is that some sort of baby file? |
| 02:07:22 | midkay | not even google attempts to correct that.. |
| 02:07:30 | scorche | more like pederasty! |
| 02:07:54 | | Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-39.kotinet.com) |
| 02:07:56 | bagawk | PEDOPHILE |
| 02:08:01 | afruff23 | anybody see SNL last week? |
| 02:08:03 | midkay | good job. |
| 02:08:05 | bagawk | thank you. |
| 02:08:14 | yuriks | should the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on? |
| 02:08:23 | bagawk | preglow: seriously just kill yourself now |
| 02:08:49 | bagawk | preglow: kindergarten my god |
| 02:08:55 | preglow | bagawk: your mother was a hamster |
| 02:09:00 | yuriks | >_> |
| 02:09:04 | midkay | bagawk, goddamn you're funny.. |
| 02:09:17 | | Part yuriks |
| 02:09:25 | bagawk | holy fuck |
| 02:09:26 | | Part bagawk |
| 02:09:28 | pjo | i am trying to chnage font size, Browse Fonts, nothing happens |
| 02:09:33 | preglow | midkay: I relayed the message |
| 02:09:41 | afruff23 | they are not included anmore with the builds |
| 02:09:47 | afruff23 | go to daily build apge and downlaod |
| 02:09:52 | scorche | speaking of kindergarten, im hungry... |
| 02:09:53 | midkay | preglow, great, he's probably too drunk to respond, but yay. :) |
| 02:09:53 | afruff23 | page* |
| 02:10:07 | afruff23 | put it in the .rockbox folder |
| 02:10:07 | preglow | midkay: haha, he seems quite entertained |
| 02:10:11 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:10:28 | midkay | also. tell him that.. |
| 02:10:30 | pjo | when the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ? |
| 02:10:41 | midkay | although i said thanks for the pitch screen suggestions, i deep down really hated him for complaining. |
| 02:10:48 | midkay | hopefully he's too drunk to remember that tomorrow, but.. |
| 02:11:10 | preglow | he knows that, ghe sats |
| 02:11:12 | preglow | says |
| 02:11:20 | midkay | great. thanks! |
| 02:11:27 | preglow | =) |
| 02:14:07 | preglow | HE CALLED ME AWOMAN |
| 02:14:16 | midkay | but you are! |
| 02:14:22 | pjo | when the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ? |
| 02:14:30 | afruff23 | no |
| 02:14:33 | pjo | or how do I know ? |
| 02:14:39 | afruff23 | restart |
| 02:14:56 | pjo | can I restart now ? |
| 02:15:25 | | Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-38.kotinet.com) |
| 02:15:30 | afruff23 | yes |
| 02:15:45 | afruff23 | even if it didn't finish, then it will just continue from where it left off |
| 02:15:58 | midkay | well.. |
| 02:16:03 | midkay | just look for the harddrive activity light. |
| 02:16:06 | midkay | -light+icon. |
| 02:16:16 | midkay | in the upper right corner of the lcd, on the status bar, next to the click. |
| 02:16:18 | midkay | clock. |
| 02:16:23 | midkay | when it's not visible, it's done.. |
| 02:16:25 | pjo | there is no harddisk activity light on Photo |
| 02:16:33 | preglow | midkay: i'm kiund of insensitive when it comes to how i think thinss should be... i'm a bastard |
| 02:16:34 | midkay | yes there is, it's a rockbox icon. |
| 02:16:37 | afruff23 | he said look on the LCD |
| 02:16:42 | preglow | i'll just retire until i can type gagain |
| 02:16:44 | midkay | preglow, haha. i was kidding! ;) |
| 02:16:57 | pjo | there is a clock there |
| 02:17:02 | midkay | afruff23, in all fairness, he may have begun typing after he saw "light".. |
| 02:17:13 | midkay | pjo, and to the right of it.. blank space or an icon? |
| 02:17:14 | pjo | ok |
| 02:17:24 | | Quit cismo_ (Client Quit) |
| 02:17:26 | | Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-38.kotinet.com) |
| 02:19:40 | pjo | after rebooting, i do not see this: |
| 02:19:42 | pjo | You may need to increase the value of the "Max files in dir browser" setting (General Settings -> System -> Limits) in order to view long lists of tracks in the ID3 database browser. |
| 02:20:19 | pjo | now ok |
| 02:20:23 | preglow | midkay: and now that i was hoping for a juicy conflict!!1 |
| 02:20:33 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:20:37 | midkay | well. hm. |
| 02:20:42 | midkay | i think you moaned about other things too. |
| 02:20:45 | midkay | but anyways. |
| 02:20:59 | | Quit cismo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:21:02 | midkay | pjo, did you have a question? |
| 02:22:24 | afruff23 | pjo, now you have to switch view to ID3 database |
| 02:22:55 | pjo | i did |
| 02:23:07 | | Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 02:23:18 | pjo | now playing mp3 but it says Codec failure 64K |
| 02:23:28 | pjo | mp3 crc |
| 02:24:24 | afruff23 | oh that sucks, that happened to me before in the Uisimulator |
| 02:24:29 | afruff23 | I don't know how to fix it |
| 02:24:36 | afruff23 | but then again I'm a newb |
| 02:24:56 | scottder | Is it said i want to set up the simulator just to tinker with my WPS :) |
| 02:25:04 | scottder | s/said/sad/ |
| 02:25:08 | midkay | if you mean sad, yes. |
| 02:25:23 | scottder | Just checkin... |
| 02:25:45 | afruff23 | how is it sad, it really has no other use |
| 02:25:59 | midkay | afruff23, hahaha.. |
| 02:26:14 | midkay | scottder, somewhat kidding, although testing on-device is not that hard.. |
| 02:26:31 | pjo | can RockBox play AAC ? |
| 02:26:35 | afruff23 | it is if your debugging code |
| 02:26:50 | midkay | afruff23, right, which is why 'it really has no other use' was pretty funny. |
| 02:26:52 | afruff23 | and you ahve to keep transferring files everytime you change soemthing |
| 02:27:04 | midkay | you don't have to be debugging, just some people prefer it instead of testing on device each time. |
| 02:27:21 | midkay | afruff23, well, leave your WPS open in an editor, and just add something, save, disconnect, test, reconnect, repeat.. |
| 02:27:46 | afruff23 | yeah, connecting and reconnecting is quite annoying for me |
| 02:27:58 | midkay | then use the sim. it's not for some people.. |
| 02:28:28 | afruff23 | however, you do need an actual player to test for certain things |
| 02:28:38 | pjo | mp3 192K plays but it stops, not continuous |
| 02:28:41 | afruff23 | i.e. WPSes designed to work in certain light conditions and in the car |
| 02:28:53 | midkay | pjo, stuttering is a result of eq or peak meters usually. |
| 02:29:11 | afruff23 | apply a wps without a peak meter |
| 02:29:41 | pjo | so how shall I set it ? |
| 02:29:48 | midkay | i wonder why people tend to go for the peak meter suggestion when eq is more capable of killing playback.. |
| 02:29:52 | pjo | what is wps pls ? |
| 02:29:59 | midkay | disable EQ, pjo, or use only one or two bands. |
| 02:30:38 | afruff23 | why does the EQ have such a big impact? on the OF, it didn't make that much an impact on speed |
| 02:31:11 | midkay | on the OF? |
| 02:31:17 | afruff23 | original firmware |
| 02:31:20 | sharpe | woo! parked less than an inch away from the garage door! |
| 02:31:25 | midkay | guess what? rockbox isn't the original firmware. |
| 02:31:55 | afruff23 | I know that....I was just wodnerign why rockbox's EQ impacts performance so much greater than the OF's EQ |
| 02:31:59 | pjo | i disabled EQ I think but it still stutter |
| 02:32:23 | midkay | afruff23, because rockbox is not optimized. |
| 02:32:30 | midkay | the same reason peak meters do it. |
| 02:32:38 | midkay | codecs haven't been worked on long enough.. |
| 02:32:57 | midkay | pjo, how about when you sit in the main menu? |
| 02:32:59 | midkay | does it stutter then? |
| 02:33:30 | pjo | can I disable peak meter ? |
| 02:33:47 | pjo | main manu has no sound |
| 02:34:25 | afruff23 | Yes, the easiest way to do ti without a computer is to jsut apply another WPS |
| 02:34:42 | midkay | no sound? |
| 02:34:47 | pjo | pls tell me what WPS is |
| 02:34:48 | midkay | play a song, then press menu, and sit there. |
| 02:34:56 | pjo | ok |
| 02:36:07 | pjo | 256K aac it says codec error but at the menu no stutter ! |
| 02:36:31 | midkay | is there a peak meter? |
| 02:36:41 | pjo | not in the menu |
| 02:36:42 | midkay | aac simply doesn't work well. barely at all. |
| 02:36:49 | midkay | i mean at the WPS. the while playing screen. |
| 02:36:57 | midkay | that displays track info and stuff. |
| 02:37:48 | sharpe | midkay, guess what! |
| 02:37:52 | midkay | what! |
| 02:38:03 | afruff23 | you parked an inch from the garage door? |
| 02:38:06 | sharpe | i think i may have a neurological problem! |
| 02:38:13 | sharpe | that too. |
| 02:38:13 | midkay | great. |
| 02:38:14 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:38:15 | midkay | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2542580036602389550&q=crash |
| 02:38:16 | sharpe | yep. |
| 02:38:54 | pjo | i see peak meter in the player how do i disable peak meter because it sttuter with mp3 128K |
| 02:39:51 | afruff23 | lol |
| 02:39:57 | midkay | choose a new theme from Browse Themes in the menu. |
| 02:40:02 | afruff23 | what year was that video recorded? |
| 02:40:12 | midkay | windows 98, so probably 97-ish? |
| 02:40:38 | afruff23 | that BSOD seemed fake |
| 02:40:42 | afruff23 | it came in from the side |
| 02:40:46 | afruff23 | didn't it? |
| 02:40:54 | | Join jpmahala [0] (n=45221b43@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:41:08 | midkay | it did, but that's no reason to think it's fake.. |
| 02:41:19 | midkay | maybe that's not an actual live feed, maybe tv-edited or something.. |
| 02:41:39 | afruff23 | the BSOD doesn't normally do that though |
| 02:42:21 | | Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@cm68.sigma156.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 02:42:24 | pjo | can I bookmark when I want to interrupt playing ? |
| 02:42:37 | midkay | afruff23, it NEVER does that. can you not read? |
| 02:42:57 | midkay | pjo, you mean bookmark when you stop playing a file? |
| 02:43:08 | afruff23 | so the BSOD never did come up at the event , correct? |
| 02:43:16 | midkay | yes, yes, it's all fake, hahaha. |
| 02:43:42 | midkay | because when editing video, you HAVE to make things slide in from the left. |
| 02:43:49 | midkay | you couldn't just make them appear realistically. |
| 02:43:53 | | Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cb053b01@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:43:56 | midkay | clearly someone was trying to fool you. |
| 02:44:20 | pjo | midkay: yes |
| 02:44:30 | afruff23 | no, seriously |
| 02:44:33 | midkay | pjo, check general settings - bookmarking - bookmark on stop. |
| 02:44:56 | midkay | afruff23, read my message, come up with your own reasoning, or believe it's fake. |
| 02:45:10 | afruff23 | if it's fake, then what caused such a big commotion? |
| 02:45:29 | pjo | thanks |
| 02:45:34 | midkay | you're advocating that it's fake, not me. from your POV, the sound could be added in too, could it not? |
| 02:45:58 | afruff23 | I still don't get why it came in from the rihgt? |
| 02:46:05 | afruff23 | right* |
| 02:46:19 | midkay | the video doesn't explain why, clearly. |
| 02:46:22 | midkay | so you have to assume. |
| 02:46:44 | afruff23 | maybe it was like that in the win 98 beta |
| 02:46:51 | midkay | very possible. |
| 02:46:54 | midkay | maybe it was edited for tv. |
| 02:46:56 | midkay | maybe it was fake. |
| 02:47:02 | midkay | only maybes, no definite answer. |
| 02:47:40 | | Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) |
| 02:47:52 | pjo | at the play screen why it says no ID3 tag ? |
| 02:48:48 | afruff23 | in HAlo 2, Bungie included a BSOD |
| 02:48:56 | afruff23 | note: Bungie is owned by MS |
| 02:48:58 | afruff23 | http://static.flickr.com/2/2173504_1752ac798d.jpg?v=0 |
| 02:49:15 | midkay | nice |
| 02:49:51 | afruff23 | pjo, because you didn't tag it correctly |
| 02:50:10 | afruff23 | see this is where using tagcache can bite you in the arse |
| 02:50:28 | afruff23 | you can't find untagged files easily |
| 02:50:40 | pjo | i did not tag it some tools did |
| 02:50:53 | pjo | it happenes for AAC file not mp3 |
| 02:51:06 | afruff23 | aac file tags are not supported |
| 02:51:13 | pjo | ok |
| 02:51:15 | afruff23 | AFAIK |
| 02:51:26 | pjo | will AAC playing will be improved anytime soon ? |
| 02:52:03 | PaulJam | not until the feature freeze is over i believe |
| 02:52:09 | afruff23 | ummm.....that's like asking if CHina will become completely democratic |
| 02:52:17 | afruff23 | evetnually but not definitely |
| 02:52:34 | pjo | oh so to play aac i should use Apple firmware ? |
| 02:52:38 | midkay | yes. |
| 02:52:51 | afruff23 | or rerip the CD into some other format |
| 02:52:59 | whatboutbob | hey folks, are ff/rw issues with long wavs a known prob on H1xx's? can't see anything specific in flyspray...but i may have missed it... |
| 02:53:36 | pjo | i have so much music in AAC so ....... |
| 02:54:04 | midkay | so rockbox isn't for you at the moment. |
| 02:54:20 | pjo | does DOOM for RockBox have sound effect ? |
| 02:54:28 | midkay | whatboutbob, hm, one of the critical swcodec playback bugs is "LONG rewinds still may not be handled quite right".. |
| 02:54:35 | midkay | yes, it does. |
| 02:54:53 | pjo | oh then this will be a great reason to use RockBox |
| 02:55:16 | midkay | for doom? |
| 02:55:34 | afruff23 | no...for doom sound effects!! |
| 02:55:40 | | Part pixelma |
| 02:56:01 | pjo | doom sound effect I meant |
| 02:56:15 | afruff23 | you didn't say anything wrong |
| 02:56:17 | whatboutbob | midkay: bah, so i am just blind. thanks. |
| 02:56:31 | midkay | whatboutbob, nah, far from it :) |
| 02:56:36 | afruff23 | it's jsut that I don't really see the pint of needing sound effects for a simple game like Doom |
| 02:56:57 | pjo | can I charge battery while using RockBox ? |
| 02:56:58 | midkay | you don't, others do.. |
| 02:57:09 | midkay | pjo, yes, hold menu button while you insert the charger. |
| 02:57:12 | afruff23 | does dircache only work on iriver players |
| 02:57:18 | afruff23 | or is the manual otudated? |
| 02:57:23 | midkay | no, iriver, iaudio, ipod. |
| 02:57:24 | afruff23 | outdated* |
| 02:58:18 | afruff23 | for max files in dir browser, does it count ALL files or just the files in the current folder? |
| 02:58:44 | pjo | thanks |
| 02:58:53 | midkay | files in the folder, of course. |
| 02:59:03 | afruff23 | if it counts just the files in the current folder, then does it count recursively? |
| 02:59:10 | afruff23 | does it ocunt a folder as a file? |
| 02:59:14 | afruff23 | count* |
| 02:59:18 | midkay | .. the number of entries visible in any given folder. |
| 02:59:52 | afruff23 | OH, Visible |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:07 | afruff23 | so you could have thousands of non-music files in a folder |
| 03:00:14 | afruff23 | and set display to music |
| 03:00:22 | afruff23 | and it'd work |
| 03:00:24 | midkay | yes, that should work. |
| 03:00:41 | pjo | I found that displaying menu enables you to enjoy unstuttered 256K AAc ! |
| 03:01:01 | midkay | nice. |
| 03:01:04 | pjo | so it is an issue on processing power |
| 03:01:14 | pjo | but it does not work always |
| 03:01:23 | afruff23 | maybe you can still view the WPS if you disable the peakmeter |
| 03:01:24 | pjo | and coding |
| 03:01:54 | pjo | yest that is what I want to know how to disable peak level meter for the box theme ! |
| 03:03:38 | pjo | can I do it ? |
| 03:04:11 | afruff23 | go to browse themes and choose a theme |
| 03:04:21 | | Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:04:54 | pjo | other question: I am trying to make the fonts larger, |
| 03:05:03 | pjo | i selected box |
| 03:06:23 | Jd|uni | hey all.. i need help with this damn assingment again.. i have a file with lines in the form "name:mark", i somehow havew to use sort to sort it by mark (descending) and then by name.. can any1 help? |
| 03:09:04 | pjo | when plug in power, Menu button does not work anymore it automatically reboot ! |
| 03:09:05 | afruff23 | open the default .wps file |
| 03:09:09 | afruff23 | and remove the line %pm |
| 03:09:15 | afruff23 | this removes the peakmeter |
| 03:09:28 | afruff23 | if youw ant to keep the default the wps |
| 03:09:57 | | Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) |
| 03:10:21 | infamis | What is car mode for? |
| 03:10:25 | infamis | and party mode? |
| 03:10:36 | infamis | manual does not include their definitions |
| 03:10:44 | pjo | h ow do I access to wps file ? |
| 03:11:06 | infamis | from the menu |
| 03:11:34 | pjo | i am at the top menu |
| 03:11:54 | infamis | general settings/display/browse .wps files |
| 03:11:59 | infamis | or browse themes from top |
| 03:12:59 | pjo | browse .wps files show three items |
| 03:13:06 | | Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4012902.sympatico.ca) |
| 03:13:13 | pjo | and selected the box but editor did not come up |
| 03:14:28 | infamis | try to play a file & see if the view has changed |
| 03:14:39 | infamis | you can't tell from the browse .wps files |
| 03:14:44 | * | XavierGr is confused (or an idiot that can't get the joke)!! |
| 03:14:53 | XavierGr | What happened to preglow? |
| 03:15:19 | infamis | he quit |
| 03:15:26 | infamis | once I joined |
| 03:16:43 | pjo | it is now default rockbox |
| 03:17:24 | pjo | how do I edit wps pls ? |
| 03:17:39 | XavierGr | open them in notepad |
| 03:17:48 | infamis | on the pc |
| 03:17:55 | PaulJam | you can edit it on the pc with a texteditor |
| 03:17:56 | pjo | you mean with Windows ? |
| 03:18:04 | pjo | ok |
| 03:18:19 | infamis | isn't there a text editor in rb? |
| 03:18:37 | pjo | so why I am using "Browse .wps files" ? |
| 03:18:54 | PaulJam | i had bad experiences with the rockbox texteditor |
| 03:19:09 | infamis | pjo, I thought you were trying to change the curent wps |
| 03:19:11 | pjo | pls tell me how to use it |
| 03:19:22 | infamis | use what? |
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| 03:19:37 | pjo | i want to delete peak meter in the default wps |
| 03:19:51 | pjo | use editor in rockbox |
| 03:21:50 | | Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) |
| 03:22:27 | infamis | edit the .wps on your pc |
| 03:22:50 | pjo | ok |
| 03:23:23 | | Quit infamis (Client Quit) |
| 03:23:36 | Jd|uni | PaulJam: what bad experiences did u have witht he rb text editor? |
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| 03:25:23 | infamis | you can't open files |
| 03:26:16 | Jd|uni | you cant open files? |
| 03:26:37 | infamis | not that I know of |
| 03:27:18 | Jd|uni | you talking about the etxt editor? |
| 03:27:43 | Jd|uni | its used as a vierwer... u can open any file with it from open with |
| 03:28:02 | PaulJam | Jd|uni: it removed empty lines, inserted a newline after 128 characters and it added junk at the end of the file |
| 03:28:25 | infamis | it's an editor, as you can type stuff or whatever |
| 03:28:28 | jpmahala | How do you save a file in the text editor? |
| 03:28:29 | Jd|uni | hopefulyl thats all fixe.d. as soon as some1 commits my patch |
| 03:28:43 | jpmahala | I haven't found that in the documentation. |
| 03:28:49 | Jd|uni | jpmahala: exit it and it will ask if u want to save |
| 03:29:06 | infamis | hit on & choose 'save changes' or 'save as...' |
| 03:29:15 | jpmahala | How to exit? |
| 03:29:38 | Jd|uni | what player? |
| 03:29:46 | jpmahala | ipod |
| 03:29:48 | pjo | Can I comment out the %pm line ? with what ? |
| 03:29:54 | infamis | hit the on button |
| 03:29:59 | infamis | pjo # |
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| 03:30:14 | pjo | ok |
| 03:30:29 | Jd|uni | on?? jpmahala: menu and select |
| 03:30:47 | jpmahala | Thanks. I'll try it out. |
| 03:31:18 | infamis | or off button |
| 03:35:01 | infamis | or power button |
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| 03:38:41 | Jd|uni | http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn9176-flybywireless-plane-takes-to-the-air.html <- any1 else not like the idea of this?? |
| 03:40:16 | PaulJam | Jd|uni: i just tried your patch, most of the problems are solved, but it still adds a linebreak after 127 characters |
| 03:41:37 | Jd|uni | that makes sense... max line length is 127chars.. i tinhk its time to redesign the editor's internals |
| 03:44:56 | pjo | deleting peak meter , now 192K MP3 is played ok with wps ! |
| 03:45:35 | pjo | but no with AAc 256K |
| 03:46:28 | pjo | now pls tell me if i can enlarge fonts |
| 03:47:42 | afruff23 | You can't enlarge fonts |
| 03:47:48 | afruff23 | instead you have to choose a larger font |
| 03:47:49 | pjo | oh pitty |
| 03:48:09 | pjo | how can I choose larger font ? |
| 03:48:15 | afruff23 | go to browse fonts |
| 03:48:30 | pjo | i did but nothing is displayed |
| 03:48:47 | afruff23 | you need to downlaod fotns from the daily build page on rockbox.org |
| 03:48:59 | afruff23 | put the folder inside the ".rockbox" folder |
| 03:49:10 | pjo | ok |
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| 04:05:33 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 04:05:36 | afruff23 | I just got kicked out of a hardware IRC channel because I did not want to buy what a user suggested |
| 04:05:38 | afruff23 | :( |
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| 04:06:04 | afruff23 | I can't find any other IRC channels abotu cell phone chargers |
| 04:06:58 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: you around? |
| 04:07:02 | Jd|uni | no |
| 04:07:04 | Jd|uni | :p |
| 04:07:06 | Jd|uni | hey |
| 04:07:06 | Falco98 | ahh heh |
| 04:07:20 | Falco98 | sorry bout earlier, i accidentally left myself logged in when i went off for dinner |
| 04:07:23 | Falco98 | i got your message |
| 04:07:42 | Falco98 | i agree with you about using "direction" anyway, as long as your tests always catch it ;-) |
| 04:08:00 | Jd|uni | im pretty sure it does.. |
| 04:08:12 | Jd|uni | i tihnk (and hope) its finally finished |
| 04:08:28 | Falco98 | yeah.. i haven't been able to break it ever since i figured out how to really fix it |
| 04:08:39 | Falco98 | did you end up using my code for that one line? |
| 04:09:09 | Falco98 | replacing i+=direction with if(direction= -1) i++ |
| 04:09:33 | Jd|uni | ye |
| 04:09:40 | Falco98 | (and if direction is 1, don't count up at all) |
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| 04:10:09 | Jd|uni | i was half asleep this morning and thinking that you was complety wrong.. but i wokrd dit through properly and figured u were right.. so i appologise |
| 04:10:12 | Falco98 | taht was a fucker to debug |
| 04:10:20 | mitch` | hi |
| 04:10:25 | mitch` | just a quick question |
| 04:10:28 | Falco98 | no prob, don't worry bout it |
| 04:10:37 | Falco98 | mitch`: what's your ?? |
| 04:10:54 | mitch` | to restore my ipod to default settings, i can use ipodpatcher.exe and the bootpartition.bin ? |
| 04:11:16 | Jd|uni | settings ro default firmware? |
| 04:11:19 | Falco98 | do you want to restore it fully? or just use the regular ipod software sometimes? |
| 04:11:20 | mitch` | yeah |
| 04:11:52 | mitch` | well, i fooled around a bit with it, using various softwares to load music on my ipod other than itunes |
| 04:12:03 | pjo | now trying DOOM |
| 04:12:05 | pjo | reate a directory called /games/doom/ on your player (e.g. F:\games\doom\ for Windows users - where F: is the drive letter for your DAP) and save the following file in that directory: |
| 04:12:09 | pjo | i did so |
| 04:12:13 | pjo | and |
| 04:12:25 | pjo | Copy the Doom wad(s) you wish to play into that directory and start Doom. The wads doom looks for are: |
| 04:12:39 | pjo | when doom plugin is executed, error no wad |
| 04:12:55 | pjo | missing base wad |
| 04:13:02 | mitch` | well, i just want to know in fact if ipod updater restore the ipod to factory defaults state or if the rockbox bootloader is still here ? |
| 04:13:20 | Falco98 | mitch': what softwares did you use to load music? (why not copy the files directly btw?) |
| 04:13:32 | PaulJam | pjo: copy the rockdoom.wad into /games/doom/ |
| 04:13:44 | Jd|uni | pjo: have u got prboom.wad AND the game wad u want to play in the /games/doom folder? |
| 04:13:44 | pjo | i think i did |
| 04:13:51 | mitch` | of course when using rockbox i load my music directly with the explorer |
| 04:13:54 | Jd|uni | ye, woops, rockdoom, not prboom |
| 04:13:56 | infamis | doom doesn't work |
| 04:14:01 | infamis | afaik |
| 04:14:05 | mitch` | but i still use the default firmware for everyday use |
| 04:14:07 | pjo | doom does not work ? |
| 04:14:10 | mitch` | for the battery life |
| 04:14:11 | infamis | nope |
| 04:14:21 | mitch` | so i tried foo_pod |
| 04:14:25 | Jd|uni | does rockbox have memcpy? |
| 04:14:25 | afruff23 | infamis, you don't know what you're talking about |
| 04:14:35 | mitch` | but it ultimately destroyed my ipod database |
| 04:14:36 | infamis | lol |
| 04:14:42 | mitch` | so i did an ipod updater |
| 04:14:43 | Falco98 | i believe, from what i've heard, the restore function wipes it completely clean :-P |
| 04:14:56 | mitch` | ok =) |
| 04:15:00 | pjo | doom1.wad also copied |
| 04:15:03 | infamis | afruff23, well why don't you fill me in |
| 04:15:11 | mitch` | so i have to redo the whole rockbox bootloader thing again =) |
| 04:15:15 | afruff23 | doom does work |
| 04:15:24 | pjo | doom1.wad.zip |
| 04:15:27 | mitch` | (not that it takes much time) |
| 04:15:29 | pjo | i did not unzip it |
| 04:15:50 | PaulJam | then unzip it |
| 04:15:53 | pjo | shall I unzip it ? |
| 04:15:57 | pjo | ok |
| 04:16:06 | Falco98 | well i originally asked cuz you can boot into the ipod software even with rockbox on there... |
| 04:16:16 | mitch` | yeah i know |
| 04:16:49 | infamis | afruff23, doom does not work |
| 04:16:50 | mitch` | it's just that i didn't know that ipod updater would even erase the bootloader |
| 04:17:03 | preglow | pft |
| 04:17:23 | infamis | it's had the same problem since apr 16 |
| 04:17:27 | mitch` | that's why i guess the ipodpatcher.exe restore thingy allow you to keep everything but the bootloader |
| 04:17:28 | afruff23 | infamis, what player do you have |
| 04:17:31 | infamis | of starting graphics engine |
| 04:17:32 | mitch` | correct me if i'm wrong =) |
| 04:17:39 | infamis | the x5 |
| 04:18:00 | afruff23 | I have the X5 as well, but I ahven't put doom on it |
| 04:18:08 | afruff23 | but I know for a fact it works on other players |
| 04:18:18 | infamis | lol and I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 04:18:26 | infamis | yes, it may work on some |
| 04:18:34 | afruff23 | soem people on iaudiophile claim they got doom to work after following all of the instructions |
| 04:18:41 | afruff23 | then opening metronome |
| 04:18:44 | afruff23 | then openiong doom |
| 04:19:00 | sharpe | g'nights. |
| 04:19:09 | infamis | metronome, what's that got to do with anything? |
| 04:19:17 | infamis | or what does it fix? |
| 04:19:32 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: you have an updated version of the patch? |
| 04:19:43 | afruff23 | I don't know what it does exactly to fix , but it jsut works |
| 04:19:46 | afruff23 | just* |
| 04:19:51 | Jd|uni | yes, but i cant upload it from uni... |
| 04:20:14 | infamis | well, just tried opening metronome & it still didn't work |
| 04:20:38 | afruff23 | you probably didn't follow the instructions verbatim |
| 04:21:01 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 04:21:04 | infamis | If I hadn't of followed instructions verbatim, it would've never worked |
| 04:21:15 | Falco98 | can you patch the whole .patch file? i can make a new file from here and put it on flyspray |
| 04:21:20 | Falco98 | umm |
| 04:21:25 | Falco98 | s/patch/paste/ |
| 04:21:29 | infamis | The apr 17+ commits broke it; it worked prior to |
| 04:22:08 | afruff23 | well, anyways your statement was doom doesn't work which is fasl |
| 04:22:12 | afruff23 | false* |
| 04:22:17 | Jd|uni | Falco98: the only change is that (if direction ==-1) i++; line |
| 04:22:25 | Falco98 | oh yeah, of course |
| 04:22:30 | infamis | I disagree...if it works on some but not all, I say it doesn't work |
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| 04:22:39 | Falco98 | and i've already added that to the patch :-P |
| 04:22:43 | Bratnebarbra | Hi all! |
| 04:22:55 | afruff23 | except that the guy asking has an iPod photo |
| 04:23:00 | Bratnebarbra | i was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine, |
| 04:23:15 | Bratnebarbra | <midk> it's the nick stealer! |
| 04:23:19 | pjo | doom is working thanks but how do i quit after selecting quit ? |
| 04:23:36 | midkay | Bratnebarbra, um, hi, what? |
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| 04:24:14 | infamis | ok, but my statement still holds imo |
| 04:24:29 | mitch` | another quick question :x, if i use ipodpatcher.exe to restore the bootpartition.bin, do i have to do something about the broadcom chipset too ? (i have a 5g) |
| 04:24:41 | Bratnebarbra | i was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine, |
| 04:25:13 | midkay | create a nick stealer? |
| 04:25:17 | infamis | what does your friend want to do |
| 04:25:18 | Bratnebarbra | ya |
| 04:25:19 | PaulJam | Bratnebarbra: i believe this is not the right channel for your question |
| 04:25:24 | midkay | i think i was referring to a person who may have once used my nick or something. |
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| 04:26:01 | pjo | thanks all I must see you later so long |
| 04:26:04 | afruff23 | I'm not afruff23, I'm Steve Jobs |
| 04:26:13 | afruff23 | here to convert you back to Apple FW!!! |
| 04:26:16 | Jd|uni | Bratnebarbra: if they have taken your nick that is registered u can kill them, but u need to be registered and have the password |
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| 04:28:00 | Bratnebarbra | thats not what i meant jd, |
| 04:28:20 | Jd|uni | well then bugger off.. because we rnt helping u steal some1 elses nick |
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| 04:29:50 | Falco98 | haha that was easy then |
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| 04:30:53 | afruff23 | why is adobe reader so crappy |
| 04:31:00 | sharpe | it loves you. |
| 04:31:02 | afruff23 | everything it does takes forever |
| 04:31:12 | sharpe | night. |
| 04:31:12 | midkay | or maybe your pc *sucks*! |
| 04:31:17 | midkay | night sharpiewarpie. |
| 04:31:34 | afruff23 | downlaoding it took abotu 4 minutes |
| 04:31:49 | afruff23 | why is it so huge?(25 mb) |
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| 04:32:35 | afruff23 | Why can't people stop using .pdf and just use soem sort of nicely formatted HTML? |
| 04:33:16 | Jd|uni | coz html sux |
| 04:33:17 | Jd|uni | :D |
| 04:33:24 | Jd|uni | pdf is teh shit! :S |
| 04:35:21 | afruff23 | plz tell me that was sarcasm |
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| 04:37:03 | afruff23 | http://68.77.224.65/mobility/datasheets/Wall8_ds.pdf |
| 04:37:12 | afruff23 | am I seeign things or does that say 3 amps? |
| 04:37:25 | afruff23 | or is it point 3 amps(0.3)? |
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| 04:38:40 | DMJC | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
| 04:38:44 | DMJC | is this upto date? |
| 04:38:50 | Sinbios | that's 0.3 amps |
| 04:38:54 | DMJC | or if I download/update my firmware will midi/sid play? |
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| 04:45:55 | Jd|uni | DMJC: acoring to that page u need to patch it to work |
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| 04:56:05 | Falco98 | later alll.. gonna go swim before bed |
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| 05:20:17 | Doomed | clock on H1x0? |
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| 05:31:26 | bagawk | nope |
| 05:32:06 | Doomed | bah |
| 05:32:17 | Doomed | y is it that only the US H3x0 has a clock |
| 05:35:08 | bagawk | You would have to ask iriver :) |
| 05:35:24 | bagawk | My wild guess would be to keep price lower |
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| 05:38:42 | scottder | Hmmm that asshat from the other day has his HTTPS server back up... |
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| 06:10:45 | luriden | hi, is there a way to set the retail OS as the default OS and be able to reboot into Rockbox as a secondary OS? like rebooting and holding a button go to into Rockbox? I'm on a 5G |
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| 06:18:54 | BHSPitMonkey_ | I love the patience people exercise with their questions these days |
| 06:19:43 | scottder | He waited a WHOLE 2 minutes...geez |
| 06:19:43 | scottder | :) |
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| 06:20:08 | scottder | Didn't you see...someone came in and said Rockbox is n00b |
| 06:20:08 | scottder | :) |
| 06:21:01 | BHSPitMonkey_ | meh |
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| 08:02:38 | JdGordon | hell yeah ! :D |
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| 08:27:18 | JdGordon | are the compiled binaries really small on the archos's? |
| 08:27:23 | JdGordon | for plugins i mean |
| 08:27:36 | JdGordon | coz im wondering how they fit in the plugin buffer? |
| 08:28:15 | amiconn | They are approx. the same size as on other targets |
| 08:28:40 | * | JdGordon just realised i was looking at the compiled for the sim.. not target.. |
| 08:28:46 | amiconn | SH1 code is generally a bit smaller than coldfire. Arm is again a bit larger |
| 08:29:15 | JdGordon | and i386 is HUGE compared to all... |
| 08:29:27 | amiconn | E.g. text_editor.rock is 2320 bytes for recorder |
| 08:29:59 | amiconn | Sim plugins are way larger because they're (1) shared objects (dlls on windows) and (2) contain debug symbols |
| 08:30:13 | JdGordon | ok, that makes sense then |
| 08:30:35 | JdGordon | i was a bit worried coz i looked and it was 32K not realising i was in the sim dir and not the target dir |
| 08:31:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: did u get my msg from ages ago? |
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| 08:55:57 | hardeep | LinusN: I can reproduce the pause from playlist viewer when holding on to page up at first track |
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| 08:59:25 | LinusN | hardeep: weird, i can't |
| 08:59:32 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 08:59:36 | LinusN | however, i found another bug when trying |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:32 | * | amiconn noticed that we could apply the cpu saving measure from the remote lcd driver to the H300 main lcd driver as well |
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| 09:00:56 | amiconn | However, the lcd power handling is done in lcd-h300.c while the scroll thread resides in lcd-16bit.c |
| 09:01:10 | amiconn | We need a nice way to handle this... |
| 09:01:28 | migidymack | how can i seek through a track on ipod 5g rockbox? |
| 09:02:23 | theli_ua | migidymack, same way as in retail firmware? |
| 09:03:15 | theli_ua | migidymack, i'm sure both manual and wiki docs describe rockbox controls.. you should read them :) |
| 09:04:22 | hardeep | LinusN: i think your playlist has to have more then 200 entries and i have an idea where the problem is... checking |
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| 09:05:04 | migidymack | I definatly read the doc and wiki.. and searched through the forums |
| 09:05:15 | migidymack | no mention on how to seek |
| 09:06:30 | JdGordon | is it really not good to do memcpy() over itself? i.e memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) ? |
| 09:07:37 | petur | yuck |
| 09:08:27 | petur | the result of memcopy with overlapping regions is normally 'undefined' |
| 09:08:32 | JdGordon | so no? i tested it and it looked ok, but i may not have tested it with unworkable numbers |
| 09:08:36 | markun | migidymack: I think you are right, strange.. |
| 09:08:48 | petur | depends on implementation but you better don't depend on that ;) |
| 09:09:14 | scorche | JdGordon: ... memcpy is string.h, isn't it? |
| 09:09:26 | JdGordon | i dunno.. |
| 09:09:46 | * | scorche googles to make sure he didn't actually say something wrong |
| 09:09:48 | petur | I think memcpy is implemented is asm for each target |
| 09:10:22 | JdGordon | ok, ill do it properly... |
| 09:10:46 | JdGordon | i.e potentially lots of memcpy() calls to move everything up/down a few chars :'( |
| 09:10:57 | migidymack | anyone here use rb on an ipod5g? |
| 09:11:03 | theli_ua | migidymack, 2.4.1. WPS Key Controls |
| 09:11:13 | migidymack | thx =) |
| 09:11:13 | theli_ua | migidymack, in manual |
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| 09:11:46 | pepie34 | hello |
| 09:11:57 | markun | theli_ua: also just found that :) |
| 09:12:07 | theli_ua | :) |
| 09:13:12 | petur | JdGordon: if memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) starts copying [3] to [5], what will be copied from [5] when it reaches that index? Right, your data is gone. |
| 09:13:44 | LinusN | hardeep: it has ~8000 entries |
| 09:13:50 | JdGordon | ye, ok, cept its memcpy(dest,src,n) .. :p |
| 09:14:06 | LinusN | hardeep: i see a problem with the playlist chunk reloading |
| 09:14:22 | petur | JdGordon: ok, how do you know it doesn't count backwards? |
| 09:14:34 | LinusN | hold page down, and it will display garbage on the last line when loading from disk |
| 09:14:36 | pepie34 | OK guy i have made some modification to have the beeper works on ipodvideo |
| 09:14:41 | JdGordon | u dont.. ok, i get it :D im making my own function :D |
| 09:15:01 | hardeep | LinusN: yeah, i just noticed that too |
| 09:15:08 | hardeep | same thing happens with page up |
| 09:15:13 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:15:57 | pepie34 | Where can i demand write access to cvs? |
| 09:15:59 | JdGordon | memmove() allows overlapping areas :D |
| 09:16:19 | amiconn | yeps |
| 09:16:25 | petur | pepie34: here |
| 09:16:30 | * | amiconn just wanted to point JdGordon to memmove() |
| 09:16:31 | pepie34 | OK!!! |
| 09:16:43 | JdGordon | phew.. |
| 09:16:48 | * | JdGordon doesnt have to do it properly :D |
| 09:16:52 | pepie34 | I'm quite newbies on RCS |
| 09:17:14 | pepie34 | I wanted to send a patch but my new files don't appears in it |
| 09:17:19 | pepie34 | How can i do that? |
| 09:17:39 | petur | pepie34: start with putting your patches on the tracker... |
| 09:17:47 | pepie34 | (only modification in files |
| 09:17:53 | pepie34 | scuse) |
| 09:18:16 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 |
| 09:18:21 | pepie34 | but how can i add files to my local cvs registry so they will appears on the patch? |
| 09:18:25 | markun | pepie34: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Include_new_files |
| 09:18:35 | amiconn | petur, JdGordon: The bad thing about memcpy() and overlapping regions is that the result is undefined, it depends on how the memcpy implementation works. |
| 09:18:36 | pepie34 | ok thanks |
| 09:18:53 | petur | amiconn: what I said... |
| 09:19:14 | pepie34 | markun you need write acces to do so |
| 09:19:19 | markun | no |
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| 09:19:41 | pepie34 | cvs add apps/plugins/beep.c |
| 09:19:41 | pepie34 | cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository |
| 09:19:44 | DMJC | just to inform, didn't have to patch to get midi playback |
| 09:19:45 | pepie34 | ??? |
| 09:19:51 | DMJC | it's in the daily builds already |
| 09:20:00 | markun | pepie34: cvsdo is not cvs |
| 09:20:06 | markun | read it again |
| 09:20:11 | pepie34 | ok :( |
| 09:20:11 | Mikachu | can't you just use cvs diff -N? |
| 09:20:13 | pepie34 | :$ |
| 09:20:23 | amiconn | It can either do a forward copy (then overlapping regions work when src > dst), or a backward copy |
| 09:20:24 | markun | Mikachu: not without adding the files |
| 09:20:37 | Mikachu | okay |
| 09:21:08 | JdGordon | is memmove in rb slow? if the move is potentially 128kb? |
| 09:21:16 | amiconn | memmove() decides which of the directions to use based on src & dst address |
| 09:21:17 | JdGordon | 64kb sorry.. |
| 09:21:31 | LinusN | pepie34: use the cvsdo command |
| 09:21:34 | pepie34 | ok |
| 09:21:40 | amiconn | No, memmove() is as fast as memcpy() for those targets where it's implemented in asm |
| 09:21:44 | LinusN | cvsdo add <filename> |
| 09:21:51 | * | JdGordon is redoin text_editor to use 1 really big buffer insread of stupid linked lists.. |
| 09:21:52 | amiconn | ...with a tiny bit more overhead at the start |
| 09:22:01 | LinusN | it adds it locally without the need for write access |
| 09:22:12 | amiconn | (the decision which copy direction to choose) |
| 09:26:32 | migidymack | funny,, i asked twice about a seek option (not ff/rw / theres a difference) on a 5g ipod.. and twice i was told to check the manual... once i was even told what section (2.4.1) - not im not saying you guys are wrong.. but you are. it isnt in any of the documentation - does anyone have a clue how to seek on an ipod |
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| 09:26:52 | Mikachu | migidymack: hold down prev/next |
| 09:26:57 | migidymack | thats ff rw |
| 09:27:04 | migidymack | and takes forever for tracks ~1hr |
| 09:27:16 | Mikachu | fast forward and rewind ========== seeking |
| 09:27:20 | migidymack | no it isnt |
| 09:27:29 | migidymack | dont tell me i make music for a living |
| 09:27:32 | migidymack | seeking is scrubbing |
| 09:27:40 | migidymack | ff / rw is not seeking |
| 09:27:57 | theli_ua | migidymack, ok. there is no seeking |
| 09:28:04 | migidymack | thank you |
| 09:28:15 | migidymack | next time dont assume the person is too lazy to read |
| 09:28:33 | petur | next time start with explaining all your definitions |
| 09:28:44 | petur | :P |
| 09:28:55 | theli_ua | :) .. petur.. you was faster then me :) |
| 09:29:04 | Galois | to be fair, the docs say "scan" and don't use the word seek at all |
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| 09:30:01 | markun | migidymack: how would seeking work? By entering the time you want to seek to? |
| 09:30:24 | Mikachu | migidymack: you can make seeking faster in the settings.. |
| 09:30:31 | migidymack | no.. the orig. firmware handled it by allowing you to click select and use the scroll wheel to scrub through the track |
| 09:30:36 | * | Galois imagines something kind of like on winamp where you click the mouse on the slider bar and the song goes there |
| 09:30:54 | migidymack | yeah thats it |
| 09:31:05 | * | Mikachu notes the ipod doesn't come with a mouse |
| 09:31:12 | migidymack | scroll wheel |
| 09:31:12 | Galois | the rio karma OF had scroll wheel scrubbing |
| 09:31:28 | migidymack | its implemented in the apple os cant be impossible |
| 09:31:44 | markun | no, not impossible of course. Just not implemented |
| 09:31:55 | petur | migidymack: put up a feature request then... |
| 09:32:10 | markun | migidymack: are you any good with c programming? |
| 09:32:11 | petur | (make sure you explain it well :) ) |
| 09:32:16 | JdGordon | .. or even better.. but up a patch |
| 09:32:20 | JdGordon | put* |
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| 09:32:40 | migidymack | im no good at coding.. i havent done it in 5 or 6 years |
| 09:32:52 | Mikachu | it would be fun to use the wheel for scratching, like in terminatorX |
| 09:33:19 | migidymack | you would need to use a mute button too.. half of scratching is crossfading |
| 09:33:33 | LinusN | i-i-i-iPod |
| 09:34:23 | petur | scratchpod |
| 09:34:40 | petur | no, that it is allready :D |
| 09:34:52 | amiconn | hehe, was just about to say that |
| 09:34:57 | petur | ipod users are against the scratches |
| 09:34:59 | amiconn | ('cept mini) |
| 09:38:30 | dpro | Mikachu: do you understand the playback system well enough currently to know where to start to add reverse playback ? |
| 09:38:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:38:42 | Mikachu | nope |
| 09:39:19 | JdGordon | so u can hear satanic themes in songs? |
| 09:39:25 | petur | dpro: looking for hidden messages in songs? |
| 09:39:26 | crwl | rockbox satan edition |
| 09:39:34 | * | dpro isn't religious |
| 09:39:36 | * | JdGordon wins :D |
| 09:40:27 | * | petur hands JdGordon his medal :) |
| 09:40:28 | dpro | petur: though most music on mtv has the message hidden pretty well ;) |
| 09:40:43 | dwihno | Is there any other way to create bash scripts that exports variables without having to run them in the "$ . ./script.sh"-style? |
| 09:40:50 | petur | "buy from our sponsors" ? |
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| 09:41:34 | dpro | export BLA=123 |
| 09:42:48 | theli_ua | dwihno, exports outside the script? |
| 09:42:55 | dwihno | theli_ua: yeah... |
| 09:42:59 | dwihno | theli_ua: exporting outside of it :) |
| 09:43:18 | Mikachu | dwihno: that's not how the world works |
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| 09:43:59 | amiconn | Zagor: Yesterday I found that our fat implementation doesn't check the longname component's shortname checksum against the shortname... |
| 09:44:22 | amiconn | (when reading) |
| 09:44:39 | dwihno | Mikachu: So how should one do then? I mean, having stuff in .bash_profile is not a sane idea... |
| 09:44:57 | theli_ua | dwihno, why not sane? |
| 09:44:58 | dwihno | Mikachu: the idea is to be able to set quite a number of vars without having to type them manually |
| 09:45:06 | Mikachu | alias? |
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| 09:45:55 | dwihno | Mikachu: True, but I still don't want to touch .bash_profile |
| 09:46:08 | Mikachu | then you'll probably have to live with the dots |
| 09:46:15 | Mikachu | you don't have to type ./ when you use . though |
| 09:46:30 | pepie34 | can't login to filespray with my sf account |
| 09:47:00 | Mikachu | pepie34: you're supposed to get a password to your email first |
| 09:47:16 | pepie34 | yes but when i do a reset pwd as asked |
| 09:47:21 | dwihno | Mikachu: well, living is . is doable. |
| 09:47:28 | pepie34 | it told me i'm not a valid user |
| 09:47:29 | pepie34 | :( |
| 09:47:41 | * | dwihno hands Mikachu some kanelbullar in gratitude |
| 09:47:50 | * | petur points pepie34 to Zagor |
| 09:47:51 | Mikachu | yay |
| 09:48:49 | markun | pepie34: I think you have to register here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/register |
| 09:48:58 | markun | Or did you do that? |
| 09:49:12 | pepie34 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlySpray |
| 09:49:33 | pepie34 | just say to use the same login as in sf |
| 09:49:46 | pepie34 | and to do a pwd reset |
| 09:50:18 | LinusN | what is your sf account name? |
| 09:51:00 | pepie34 | romain_herault |
| 09:51:01 | markun | I don't think the info in the wiki applies to new users, but I might be wrong |
| 09:51:18 | pepie34 | I try the other way |
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| 09:52:11 | LinusN | markun: you are correct |
| 09:52:20 | markun | I'll change the wiki |
| 09:55:30 | markun | done |
| 09:57:52 | pepie34 | sniff no mail confirmation arrive |
| 09:58:11 | pepie34 | I think i shall return to bed today |
| 09:58:14 | pepie34 | :) |
| 09:58:21 | markun | pepie34: good night |
| 09:58:28 | markun | Talk to Zagor if it still doesn't work tomorrow |
| 09:58:53 | pepie34 | CAn I send the patch else wherre? |
| 09:58:56 | pepie34 | CAn I send the patch else where? |
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| 10:00:03 | pepie34 | WHAT is the time zone of Zagor? |
| 10:00:23 | petur | europe |
| 10:00:26 | hardeep | hmmmm, buffer loading in playlist viewer is all messed up. will look into it tomorrow. |
| 10:00:28 | pepie34 | ok |
| 10:00:34 | pepie34 | Zagor are you here? |
| 10:04:54 | LinusN | pepie34: which name did you use when signing up? |
| 10:05:09 | pepie34 | romain_herault |
| 10:05:14 | pepie34 | why? |
| 10:06:11 | petur | LinusN has the same almighty powers :) |
| 10:06:26 | pepie34 | ok |
| 10:08:22 | pepie34 | I will be back in 30 min |
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| 10:43:05 | | Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@192.33.221.204) |
| 10:44:18 | pepie34 | LinusN did you see me in the user database? |
| 10:44:58 | LinusN | it turned out that i had all the admin privileges except user administration |
| 10:45:06 | pepie34 | :) |
| 10:45:08 | LinusN | i called björn, but he was in a meeting |
| 10:45:09 | pepie34 | OK |
| 10:45:28 | LinusN | so i'm on the case |
| 10:45:29 | pepie34 | CAn i send the patch to somebody? |
| 10:46:08 | LinusN | sure, but it would be better to have it in the tracker, submitted by you |
| 10:46:48 | pepie34 | Yes I know |
| 10:47:06 | pepie34 | but i can't wait to have other ipod owner to test it |
| 10:47:09 | pepie34 | :) |
| 10:47:50 | linuxstb | If you have any webspace you could just put it there, and mention the URL here. |
| 10:48:01 | linuxstb | (whilst you wait for access to the tracker) |
| 10:48:20 | pepie34 | OK |
| 10:48:44 | linuxstb | What does the patch do? |
| 10:48:52 | pepie34 | I only have a 5G,it should work on any p5020 |
| 10:49:04 | pepie34 | but i only enable it for 5G |
| 10:49:21 | pepie34 | 4 new functions that use the ipod piezo |
| 10:50:01 | linuxstb | Have you seen the existing piezo-related patch(es) on the tracker? |
| 10:50:08 | pepie34 | a no |
| 10:50:09 | pepie34 | :( |
| 10:50:23 | pepie34 | i have look the code and did not find it |
| 10:50:33 | pepie34 | where are they |
| 10:50:42 | pepie34 | (fuck a night for nothing) |
| 10:50:44 | pepie34 | ? |
| 10:51:04 | linuxstb | I've not looked at it, but searching the patch tracker for "piezo" finds this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 |
| 10:52:37 | pepie34 | I should definitly return to sleep |
| 10:53:50 | pepie34 | At least i learned the rockbox code |
| 10:53:53 | pepie34 | :) |
| 10:58:26 | pepie34 | the mention patch (5111) should also work on 4G but as i don't have one can't figure out |
| 10:58:55 | pepie34 | it does the same as mine so you can forgget about mine |
| 10:59:39 | pepie34 | is there someone in charge of the target directory? |
| 10:59:52 | LinusN | we all are |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:01 | LinusN | you mean firmware/target? |
| 11:00:26 | pepie34 | I mean do you intend to move specific drivers here? |
| 11:00:28 | pepie34 | yes |
| 11:00:33 | LinusN | yes we do |
| 11:00:57 | pepie34 | is it planned for this version or next version? |
| 11:01:13 | LinusN | as soon as the freeze ends, and someone is willing to do the work |
| 11:01:25 | pepie34 | I am |
| 11:01:37 | LinusN | goodie |
| 11:01:43 | pepie34 | but as told before can only to test on 5G ipod |
| 11:01:59 | LinusN | that's a start |
| 11:04:04 | linuxstb | pepie34: All the ipods are extremely similar - most of the 5g code was written for earlier ipods, and just worked as it was on the 5g. The main differences are the audio codec and LCD. |
| 11:04:58 | pepie34 | When i first look at the code i was somehow affraid about the #idef ARCH1 #idef ARCH2 |
| 11:05:00 | pepie34 | ... |
| 11:05:04 | pepie34 | things |
| 11:05:21 | pepie34 | I things the separation really needs to be done |
| 11:05:53 | pepie34 | If i can help and do it for ipod i will be glad |
| 11:06:35 | LinusN | nice |
| 11:07:04 | pepie34 | linuxstb, i can do the separation for other ipods and try to compile for sure |
| 11:07:21 | pepie34 | but can't put my garantee that it is working |
| 11:07:23 | linuxstb | Unless I've missed it, I think we're waiting for a wiki page from LinusN about the target tree.... :) |
| 11:07:38 | pepie34 | ok that was my next question |
| 11:07:59 | LinusN | linuxstb: :-P |
| 11:08:04 | linuxstb | pepie34: We can't ask any more than that... And as I said, most of it is generic for all ipods anyway. |
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| 11:19:10 | amiconn | LinusN: In fact I asked about the path because I intend to move both iriver and archos code over to firmware/target/ gradually |
| 11:19:38 | * | amiconn nags LinusN about the H300 power issue |
| 11:20:00 | * | amiconn wants nearly equal runtime on his H340 as he measured on his H140 |
| 11:22:44 | JdGordon | what was the measuered times? |
| 11:24:04 | amiconn | H140: 19h 18 min. H340: 11h 2 min |
| 11:24:14 | amiconn | Same conditions |
| 11:24:40 | JdGordon | damn... bit of a diff there... |
| 11:25:32 | JdGordon | still 11 hours isnt so bad |
| 11:25:57 | amiconn | Well, iriver states 16 hours |
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| 11:28:42 | linuxstb | iriver claims 16 hours for both h1x0 and h3x0? |
| 11:29:32 | amiconn | yes, afaik |
| 11:29:59 | amiconn | h3x0 needs slightly more cpu power for drawing, but then it also has a slightly higher capacity battery |
| 11:30:09 | amiconn | (1400 mAh instead of 1300 mAh) |
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| 11:38:37 | LinusN | amiconn: i was about to work on the h300 issue yesterday night, but the battery was flat, and i fell asleep when it was charging :-) |
| 11:38:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:39:03 | petur | lol |
| 11:39:39 | petur | does h300 charging still need work? |
| 11:39:49 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 11:39:52 | * | petur wants rockbox on ac power on |
| 11:40:12 | * | amiconn recommends LinusN to let other rockboxes play some music while working on one |
| 11:41:38 | LinusN | i'm having a look at the audio playback code, and i don't fully understand the idea behind swap_codec() |
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| 11:42:42 | amiconn | swap_codec() is for swapping audio & voice codec |
| 11:42:50 | LinusN | that i know |
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| 11:43:22 | amiconn | They are essentially the same codecs (except that voice is currently hard-coded to use mpa.codec), so they're linked to the same memory addresses |
| 11:43:28 | LinusN | it's more the logic with the threads that call swap_codec() that i don't understand |
| 11:44:17 | amiconn | Anyway, I still think that it would be better to have a separate voice codec. It would save us a lot of trouble, e.g. with plugins using iram |
| 11:44:34 | LinusN | i think i agree |
| 11:45:00 | LinusN | but it would still be a problem with the iram |
| 11:45:30 | LinusN | we need a codec that doesn't need iram |
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| 11:49:17 | LinusN | also, i don't really get the logic inside swap_codec() either |
| 11:49:58 | petur | been away from rockbox too long, have you? :P |
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| 11:50:24 | LinusN | heh, i never really dug into the sw codec stuff |
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| 11:56:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Of course the voice codec wouldn't use iram |
| 11:57:01 | amiconn | I think it would still be fast enough, given that voice is low bitrate, low sample rate, and mono |
| 11:57:14 | LinusN | true |
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| 11:57:59 | amiconn | Currently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason) |
| 11:58:26 | amiconn | preglow said that speex isn't too complex either |
| 11:59:17 | Mikachu | i have some pimsleur japanese oggs, they're 20kbps or so, and sounds perfectly alright |
| 11:59:43 | LinusN | speex looks interesting |
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| 12:00:37 | Mikachu | heh, -u, −−ultra-wideband "Ultra-wideband" (32 kHz) input file |
| 12:01:01 | amiconn | gah |
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| 12:01:16 | * | amiconn should really work on target-specific voice builds |
| 12:03:25 | amiconn | If I only know how to handle the codepage problem... :( |
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| 12:19:18 | Jungti1234 | ggggg |
| 12:19:20 | Jungti1234 | hello! |
| 12:19:26 | JdGordon | allo! |
| 12:19:35 | Jungti1234 | olla |
| 12:23:31 | JdGordon | im working out how to deal with the end-of-line strings in the text editor.. do i only need to check for \r\n and \n or does mac have their own version? |
| 12:24:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:24:24 | amiconn | mac uses \r |
| 12:26:11 | JdGordon | .. basterds :D |
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| 12:39:54 | pjo | Hello ! |
| 12:40:39 | pjo | If anybody sees this pls help, how do I download a patch, f.e. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 12:41:52 | LinusN | pjo: patches are source code changes, intended for developers |
| 12:41:54 | pjo | I am trying to install album art patch |
| 12:42:16 | pjo | so to do Album Art how can I do it ? |
| 12:42:40 | LinusN | set up a complete development environment, with cross compiler and all |
| 12:43:06 | pjo | oh so there is no plugin available for cover art ? |
| 12:43:11 | LinusN | no |
| 12:43:19 | pjo | ok |
| 12:43:37 | pjo | but in that case i need to know how do I download the patch |
| 12:43:56 | LinusN | there are links to the patch on that page |
| 12:44:05 | LinusN | the problem isn't downloading the patch |
| 12:44:07 | pjo | yes and I clicked it |
| 12:44:37 | pjo | the URL is for that but I do not understand what to do next |
| 12:45:00 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 12:45:15 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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| 12:45:42 | pjo | the first one does not tell me how to download it |
| 12:46:12 | LinusN | pjo: is this your first time on the internet? |
| 12:46:31 | pjo | no I have been on the net for many many years |
| 12:46:34 | LinusN | click on the link and select "save as" |
| 12:46:45 | pjo | but my native language is not English |
| 12:47:31 | LinusN | the thing is, patches are for developers, and they aren't something you just download and install |
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| 12:48:05 | LinusN | you will need a complete development environment, so you can compile rockbox yourself |
| 12:48:06 | pjo | you said SDK is required to compile but still need to downl;oad the patch |
| 12:48:30 | pjo | right click does not show the option to download |
| 12:49:08 | LinusN | i right-click on the link, and it allows me to "save link as..." |
| 12:49:31 | LinusN | but that downloads the html page, i guess |
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| 12:49:44 | pjo | are you doing that on the URL http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=3045&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0 |
| 12:49:47 | LinusN | what happens if you left-click? |
| 12:50:01 | pjo | just do not show save as |
| 12:50:27 | LinusN | left clock on it |
| 12:50:29 | LinusN | click |
| 12:51:00 | pjo | send me the URL that you are on pls |
| 12:51:05 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 12:51:44 | PaulJam_ | here is the url to the latest version of the patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11447 |
| 12:51:50 | linuxstb | That page contains lots of comments, and lots of different versions of the patch - scroll down to near the bottom and click on the link "album_art_v4.03.patch" |
| 12:51:59 | pjo | do you click the FS #3045 ? |
| 12:52:30 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11447 |
| 12:52:59 | pjo | ok I found the patch |
| 12:53:01 | pjo | thanks |
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| 13:01:12 | * | amiconn is slightly annoyed |
| 13:02:03 | webguest64 | only slightly? |
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| 13:02:57 | amiconn | Why are so few developers actually working on fixing things? |
| 13:03:28 | amiconn | I mean, the freeze is there to concentrate on bug fixing and cleaning up thinga |
| 13:03:32 | amiconn | *things |
| 13:04:22 | dunno | if I remember correctly it's always a handfull of you that sort bugs during the freeze, same as last time amiconn |
| 13:05:14 | dunno | 2.5 was the same, you, Linus, and a few others |
| 13:05:16 | amiconn | But why???? |
| 13:05:25 | petur | much of it is playback related, I'm hesitating to learn that part but maybe I should... |
| 13:05:33 | markun | amiconn: I try to fix some bugs |
| 13:05:46 | * | petur has already... |
| 13:06:00 | petur | not much.... but not much time either :( |
| 13:06:04 | Pi_ | my 'excuse' is that I cant fix what i don't understand, and in RB that is alot |
| 13:06:37 | dunno | but thanks you amiconn and the dedicated dev's for your hard work |
| 13:08:15 | markun | amiconn: XavierGr told me you two agreed on the extra 'remote lcd' submenu in the scrolling menu. We can commit his patch I think |
| 13:09:47 | markun | I was thinking about an option that writes my settings to backup.cfg on shutdown and loads it after the settings version has changed. A lot of people would be happy with that I think. |
| 13:10:09 | amiconn | That wouldn't be the right way |
| 13:10:10 | ashridah | markun: build it into rolo |
| 13:10:28 | markun | amiconn: what would be a better way? |
| 13:10:47 | amiconn | Getting rid of the binary settings sector and store settings in a .cfg file |
| 13:11:02 | markun | I thought you opposed that |
| 13:11:08 | amiconn | nope |
| 13:11:19 | amiconn | It's just not as simple as switching |
| 13:11:52 | amiconn | (1) We need a way to signal spinups to the app layer, so that the settings can be saved at spinup |
| 13:11:54 | markun | Takes a bit more time to write the settings if we would still do it on every ata access |
| 13:12:10 | amiconn | We don't do it on every ata access |
| 13:12:25 | amiconn | We do it on the next ata access, if the settings changed |
| 13:12:36 | markun | yes, that's what I was trying to say |
| 13:13:47 | markun | The sooner we do this the better, then we can change settings all we want without warning about it all the time |
| 13:13:57 | amiconn | (2) The settings table needs restructuring (include min/ max values), and the loader has to check bounds, and pick the default value if the value in .cfg is out of bounds |
| 13:14:29 | amiconn | The whole thing needs to be made nice, clean, fact, and compact |
| 13:14:39 | amiconn | s/fact/fast/ |
| 13:15:45 | amiconn | *some* settings need to remain binary (e.g. the resume index or the dircache size) - mostly the ones not settable from the ui |
| 13:32:17 | XavierGr | markun: nice |
| 13:35:47 | XavierGr | markun: also I have 1 more minor bugfix: 5362 |
| 13:37:03 | preglow | amiconn: i'm not too sure about speex |
| 13:37:09 | preglow | but it should be less complex than mp3, for example |
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| 13:43:19 | LinusN | how about gsm? |
| 13:43:35 | amiconn | JdGordon: Should I check out your fixes for the textviewer, or better wait for the new version? |
| 13:43:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Is there a gpl'd encoder+decoder? |
| 13:44:24 | LinusN | not sure |
| 13:44:34 | preglow | LinusN: isn't that patented? |
| 13:44:40 | preglow | amiconn: there is a decoder, at least |
| 13:44:58 | preglow | but i'd rather try speex first since it's open source, and more flexible |
| 13:45:02 | preglow | and probably better quality |
| 13:45:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: ignore them.. im almost done with a completly new version |
| 13:46:55 | amiconn | LinusN, preglow: We would need a command line encoder, and the decoder as a rcokbox codec, at least |
| 13:47:07 | LinusN | yup |
| 13:47:14 | amiconn | Speex sounds interesting... |
| 13:47:38 | LinusN | the thing is that most speech codecs are designed with telephony in mind |
| 13:47:56 | LinusN | having all sorts of extra fluff like echo cancelling etc |
| 13:48:09 | preglow | in speex that can be disabled easily |
| 13:48:13 | LinusN | good |
| 13:48:19 | preglow | but yeah |
| 13:48:23 | preglow | speex isn't just telephony |
| 13:48:27 | preglow | it's got wideband modes and all |
| 13:48:31 | preglow | yields very nice quality |
| 13:48:40 | LinusN | how far has the fixed-point port come? |
| 13:48:44 | preglow | it's functional |
| 13:48:54 | preglow | but some of the components aren't ported yet |
| 13:48:56 | preglow | the basic modes are |
| 13:52:14 | Genre9mp3 | speex would be a nice for a recording option i think... |
| 13:53:49 | JdGordon | this is safe right?? "if (!fn || (fd = fopen(fn,O_RDONLY))<0)" |
| 13:54:07 | preglow | speex encoding might be a bit heavy |
| 13:54:29 | XavierGr | ehm sorry for interupting I about to fix a bug related to minesweeper and this came to my mind. Do you want to have a minesweeper solver (cheater)? when you press a button it will unveil all boxes. (or this will be a new feature?) |
| 13:54:39 | Genre9mp3 | It would be great though for rockbox to support it |
| 13:54:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's always the postprocessing style encoding. |
| 13:54:59 | preglow | it's an analysis by synthesis system |
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| 13:55:02 | preglow | and they tend to be a bit heavy |
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| 13:55:38 | petur | JdGordon: I don't like combining assignments and tests in one statement |
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| 13:56:00 | markun | LinusN: http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/toast.html |
| 13:56:40 | JdGordon | petur: neither.. but it saves code repetition :p |
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| 13:56:55 | LinusN | markun: thx |
| 13:56:58 | petur | JdGordon: but it's safe.... |
| 13:57:27 | JdGordon | :) |
| 13:59:56 | preglow | amiconn: what bitrate are the current voice files? |
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| 14:04:09 | amiconn | preglow: [11:57:59] <amiconn> Currently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason) |
| 14:04:26 | amiconn | They are vbr with -B 64 |
| 14:05:04 | preglow | right |
| 14:05:14 | preglow | wideband mode still has some floating point operations :/ |
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| 14:06:03 | amiconn | Would 12kHz be wideband? |
| 14:06:35 | amiconn | (I would like to go back to 16kHz if possible, at least for swcodec. Sounds better) |
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| 14:07:48 | preglow | 16khz is wideband |
| 14:08:40 | amiconn | Hmm :/ |
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| 14:31:08 | cky1billion | for the x5 i see radio progress at 95%, does this need to be added in a patch |
| 14:31:24 | cky1billion | or is it in current builds? |
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| 14:36:22 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra, here? |
| 14:36:42 | LinusN | cky1billion: it's in a patch |
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| 14:39:32 | XavierGr | amiconn:here? |
| 14:39:52 | XavierGr | amiconn: I was wondering how te jpeg reacts when voice is playing and the user loads a big file |
| 14:40:41 | XavierGr | it seems that it will ask if the user want's to stop playback but is this right? |
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| 14:43:52 | Jungti1234 | you know 'cooperative buying'? |
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| 14:48:00 | Jungti1234 | cooperative purchase = cooperative buying = group buying ?? |
| 14:53:45 | petur | Jungti1234: sounds like it |
| 14:53:56 | Jungti1234 | ok, thanks |
| 14:55:20 | PaulJam_ | where are the settings of the viever plugin stored? |
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| 14:58:59 | theli_ua | does rb->read advance file position? |
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| 15:00:44 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:01:23 | XavierGr | amiconn: about the jpeg viewer and voice: You said that it is unexpected but I can't think of a solution. |
| 15:01:25 | theli_ua | thnx |
| 15:01:51 | XavierGr | amiconn: we have 2 choices pcm_is_playing and mp3_is_playing but the later will not work for SW targets. |
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| 15:02:27 | XavierGr | hmm let me try with audio status |
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| 15:10:31 | XavierGr | wtf: my Screen on H300 blinks (very little though) whenever I press a button on the filebrowser and have the charger on. |
| 15:11:23 | LinusN | does it get brighter or darker? |
| 15:11:28 | XavierGr | ah audio_status seems to do the trick for the viewer. amiconn can you validate it? |
| 15:11:50 | XavierGr | Linus: a little bit darker and then (instantly) goes back to normal. |
| 15:12:09 | XavierGr | Linus: though this isn't happening let's say in the jpeg viewer |
| 15:12:09 | LinusN | interesting |
| 15:12:30 | LinusN | perhaps it's when the disk spins up? |
| 15:12:34 | petur | normal if brightness less than 5 and hdd access occurs |
| 15:13:31 | XavierGr | Linus: I have discover that this blinking is very intense when HD is firing up (though not all the time) but this time I don't have a HD spin. I just push up/down. |
| 15:13:37 | amiconn | XavierGr: I think checking audio status is the correct method. Can't test atm |
| 15:14:01 | XavierGr | amiconn: ok thanks! Seems to work perfect for my H300. |
| 15:14:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: though, if a voice clip is being played it will stop immediatelly and start showing the jpeg. |
| 15:14:44 | XavierGr | that is the correct behaviour right? |
| 15:15:48 | XavierGr | petur: I have brightness set to 9. |
| 15:16:08 | petur | weird |
| 15:16:27 | XavierGr | Linus: no I was wrong. It gets brighter not darker. |
| 15:16:58 | XavierGr | Linus: because when I let of the button I can see the screen gets a little bit darker. |
| 15:17:21 | * | petur fetches his h340 |
| 15:17:49 | XavierGr | BTW it is USB charged, not the real charger. |
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| 15:18:35 | XavierGr | strange it just stopped!!! |
| 15:18:39 | XavierGr | (doing it) |
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| 15:20:29 | XavierGr | now it started again :( |
| 15:20:39 | XavierGr | maybe because it is low on battery? |
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| 15:29:15 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you know if the audio_status will work for HWCODEC targets too? |
| 15:29:45 | LinusN | it should work |
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| 15:29:58 | XavierGr | ok then one ifdef less :) |
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| 16:04:52 | theli_ua | what is the key for 'hold' on ipod sims? |
| 16:10:47 | XavierGr | the isn't one |
| 16:12:05 | Genre9mp3 | actually there isn't one on every sim |
| 16:14:48 | theli_ua | bad |
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| 16:15:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it _really_ shouldn't be used for anything but 'Hold' anyway. |
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| 16:16:29 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 16:16:46 | theli_ua | Paul_The_Nerd, with the lack of keys on iPods it is nice to have it for menus in plugins |
| 16:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | theli_ua: Are you already using Menu+Select for something? |
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| 16:18:30 | JaMiNkLe | >.> |
| 16:18:42 | theli_ua | Paul_The_Nerd, if all other keys are used for game control menu+select is not very appropriate |
| 16:19:55 | XavierGr | truth is that iPod sucks at keymapping but there is no other alternative. |
| 16:20:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | theli_ua: Ideally we want a standardized method of entering the menu. Why is it actually bad that menu+select enters the menu? Do you need to press both at once to play the game? |
| 16:20:08 | XavierGr | Rockbox has so many options and shortcuts :) |
| 16:20:41 | theli_ua | Paul_The_Nerd, it is spectrum emulator , yeah for arcade games it is unconvinient menu+select for menu |
| 16:20:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | theli_ua: You could always try the absolute positioning patch. It allows you to simply touch the wheel, instead of pressing the buttons at the locations, which means you'd never need to _press_ menu during gameplay. |
| 16:21:12 | theli_ua | Paul_The_Nerd, i know of it .. i just waiting for unfreeze and when it gets into cvs |
| 16:21:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | theli_ua: Well, your emulator's not gonna get into CVS until the freeze is over anyway. If you're thinking of using it, you should go ahead 'n try. ;-) |
| 16:21:57 | theli_ua | Paul_The_Nerd, anyway i think of hold for menu is far more convinient |
| 16:22:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | theli_ua: Hold should Hold, and _maybe_ also pause emulation. That way people can actually use it, and come back to gameplay simply by turning hold off. |
| 16:22:18 | theli_ua | hold off and press 'resume' :) |
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| 16:22:30 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: If hold brings up a menu, then it fulfills your needs as well... |
| 16:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you could adhere to the standard method of opening a menu in Rockbox plugins. |
| 16:22:58 | theli_ua | linuxstb, that what i'm making - hold popups menu |
| 16:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I dunno, I think there will be _alot_ of users who get stuck in the plugin, as they did with other ones. It's really beneficial to have a standard key combo for menu or exit of plugins. |
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| 16:23:24 | linuxstb | But I also think we should only assign HOLD to the menu as a very last resort - when there are absolutely no other options. |
| 16:23:28 | JdGordon | hold should pause.. not show the menu.. unless there is no other button combo available.. |
| 16:23:45 | amiconn | Menu should always be menu, and Menu+Select should always be quit |
| 16:23:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: And I think there are several other options here. I agree that it can be done, just not necessarily should in this situation. ;-) |
| 16:23:50 | theli_ua | ok.. i think i'll make it configurable :D |
| 16:24:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: On ipods, "Menu" is very often "move up" |
| 16:24:09 | amiconn | why? |
| 16:24:20 | linuxstb | What other option is there for up? |
| 16:24:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Especially with the absolute positioning patch, because with it you get 8 buttons from the scrollwheel, without ever actually _pressing_ buttons. :) |
| 16:24:29 | amiconn | I'd think that's the wheel's purpose |
| 16:25:03 | linuxstb | Using the wheel for up/down and NEXT/PREV for left/right just doesn't work IMO. |
| 16:25:16 | amiconn | ? |
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| 16:25:34 | amiconn | This is exactly what we do in the browser, and menus, and... |
| 16:25:46 | theli_ua | amiconn, think of fast arcade game :) |
| 16:25:48 | linuxstb | Think about pacman for example - or any fast action game. |
| 16:26:04 | * | amiconn never tried pacman |
| 16:26:25 | linuxstb | Also, if you want to keep "up" pressed for a long period, you would have to keep scrolling the wheel like a mad man. |
| 16:26:37 | * | Genre9mp3 looks for Cassandra |
| 16:26:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, Menu and Play presses are necessary for up/down in any realtime game. But I think the absolute positioning patch will solve that, because then you can just rest your finger on them, and actually _press_ menu to bring up the menu |
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| 16:35:29 | Falco98 | can anyone tell me real quick exactly where global_settings is defined and worked with? |
| 16:35:41 | Falco98 | (i'm experimenting to see if i can add a parameter to the crossfade options) |
| 16:36:26 | Pi_ | apps/settings.h (i think) |
| 16:37:40 | Falco98 | i'm trying to add an option for "crossfade AND track skip" |
| 16:38:06 | Falco98 | whoops.. s/crossfade/shuffle mode/ |
| 16:38:59 | Falco98 | i switch back and forth between shuffle-all listening and album listening, and want "always" when on shuffle, and also when i manually change tracks, and think it's a tiny bit clunky to need to change c/f settings to do those two things |
| 16:39:41 | Falco98 | ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 ) |
| 16:39:52 | Falco98 | (thanx pi_ ) |
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| 16:41:30 | * | JdGordon is pretty much finished the new and improved rb text editor :D |
| 16:41:40 | JdGordon | and 1 wanna suggest a way to allow the user to split a line in 2? |
| 16:42:31 | Pi_ | an axe? |
| 16:42:40 | JdGordon | ..if only... |
| 16:42:43 | linuxstb | If there are no keys left, put it in the menu. |
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| 16:42:59 | * | linuxstb has never tried the text editor... |
| 16:42:59 | Falco98 | Jd: you mean like, adding a line return? |
| 16:43:03 | JdGordon | i mean, how do i get them to tell it where to split the line? |
| 16:43:11 | JdGordon | Falco98 wins the pot.. bingo |
| 16:43:16 | linuxstb | Don't you have a cursor? |
| 16:43:22 | Falco98 | how bout a combo of 2 buttons? |
| 16:43:29 | JdGordon | it uses the regular vkeyboard for input |
| 16:43:34 | Pi_ | cant you have a return key on the keyboard? |
| 16:43:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't a /n Vkey solve that problem? |
| 16:43:55 | Falco98 | or add another special key "under" the kb so you don't have to edit the existing one |
| 16:44:03 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, but tis not there... |
| 16:44:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean \n, but yeah |
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| 16:44:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | So why not change the way the VKeyboard works slightly? ;-) |
| 16:44:48 | JdGordon | ..not fun :D |
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| 16:45:22 | linuxstb | Is there any way to create a new text file with your editor? |
| 16:45:27 | JdGordon | yup |
| 16:45:32 | JdGordon | run it from the plugins menu |
| 16:45:36 | linuxstb | Ah yes, just found it... |
| 16:45:44 | linuxstb | That plugin list is too long... |
| 16:45:56 | JdGordon | fits on 1 h300 screen... |
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| 16:46:24 | linuxstb | How? I only get A-M on my 5g with the default font. |
| 16:46:31 | XavierGr | IMHO plugins are so many that should be split to subfolders |
| 16:46:36 | webguest64 | why not subdivide it using the same catagories as in the manual...? |
| 16:46:43 | JdGordon | oh woops.. ye, it is long :p |
| 16:46:46 | * | JdGordon is asleep |
| 16:46:51 | * | Falco98 still can't find where global_settings is centrally located |
| 16:47:06 | JdGordon | 3 full screens.. not 1 :p |
| 16:47:14 | whatboutbob | does anyone *cough* amiconn? *cough* know what voltage is supplied to mics plugged into the h1xx analog in? |
| 16:47:24 | JdGordon | in settings. h or c :p |
| 16:47:32 | Falco98 | i've been looking, jd |
| 16:47:33 | linuxstb | Falco98: apps/settings.h (as Pi said...) - "struct user_settings" |
| 16:47:34 | Falco98 | :-P |
| 16:47:42 | Falco98 | ohhh ok |
| 16:47:45 | PaulJam | Falco98: i think it is in settings.menu.c |
| 16:47:52 | Falco98 | thanks |
| 16:48:08 | Falco98 | linuxstb was right :) |
| 16:48:10 | whatboutbob | JdG: ya see we'll soon be allowed to tape tv shows for a single viewing legally? :) |
| 16:48:31 | JdGordon | thats the same laws as alowgin cd->mp3 isnt it? |
| 16:48:37 | whatboutbob | yup |
| 16:48:40 | JdGordon | single viewing.. hahaha |
| 16:48:47 | * | JdGordon has 40gb of tv on my hdd :p |
| 16:48:50 | whatboutbob | must be delete thereafter. |
| 16:48:55 | linuxstb | whatboutbob: Haven't we been allowed to do that since about 1982? (thanks to Sony IIRC...) |
| 16:48:56 | whatboutbob | *deleted |
| 16:49:12 | whatboutbob | linuxstb: aussie law. |
| 16:49:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: we r in very bakwards copyright lawed australiaa |
| 16:49:38 | linuxstb | So VCRs have been illegal all these years? |
| 16:49:46 | JdGordon | yup |
| 16:49:49 | linuxstb | :) |
| 16:49:49 | whatboutbob | JdG: and we're def not allowed to share with friends...unless they happen to be in our house when we view the recording for the one and only time. |
| 16:50:01 | JdGordon | well no.. they are about as legal as cd-bruners |
| 16:50:03 | XavierGr | wow US and Australlia are preety weird countries after all :P |
| 16:50:07 | whatboutbob | there's a pretty funny FAQ on the new copyright law on the attorney general's website about it. |
| 16:50:16 | JdGordon | linkage? |
| 16:50:25 | whatboutbob | XavierGr: THIS is what makes you think that? Man...if you only knew... |
| 16:50:56 | * | Falco98 puzzles over this... user_settings claims crossfade has 3 options, "0=off, 1=shuffle, 2=always" |
| 16:51:11 | whatboutbob | most of the ipod ads have been promoting breaking the law in australia. |
| 16:51:40 | Falco98 | whatboutbob: link to the funny FAQ? |
| 16:51:54 | whatboutbob | eg using Jet to promote the ipod...only problem is they weren't available for digital download. How are you supposed to get their music onto the ipod then...? |
| 16:52:05 | Falco98 | linuxstb: i don't understand how user_settings becomes global_settings ... |
| 16:52:30 | linuxstb | user_settings is the definition of the type. The actual global_settings is declared at the top of settings.c |
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| 16:52:40 | Falco98 | whatboutbob: according to the RIAA (recently) the same is true here |
| 16:53:00 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 16:53:34 | Falco98 | whatboutbob: the RIAA is going on raving looney bents these days claiming that people aren't allowed to rip their own CDs to mp3/etc |
| 16:53:46 | Falco98 | (they'll stop me over my cold, dead body) |
| 16:54:07 | Cassandra | I'm sure they would if they thought they could get away with it. |
| 16:54:29 | JdGordon | definatly.. |
| 16:54:34 | Falco98 | yeah.. heh |
| 16:54:55 | Falco98 | well hopefully in a handful of years their fucking stupid business model will start causing a noticeable turnaround |
| 16:54:56 | linuxstb | Falco98: The comment in the .h file is out of date. It's correct (giving all four options) in the .c file. |
| 16:55:20 | Falco98 | linuxstb: cool.. that's what i suspected, but it's surely weird-looking :-P |
| 16:55:20 | * | whatboutbob is looking for that damn AG link... |
| 16:55:44 | Falco98 | linuxstb: do you know what-all would be involved in adding a 5th option to the crossfade-enable menu? |
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| 16:56:20 | linuxstb | Falco98: Don't forget that the first number in "crossfade" refers to the number of bits. So if you add a 5th option, you need to change it from 2 to 3 bits (and increment the config block version number). |
| 16:56:21 | Falco98 | it wouldn't have to add any functionality since i'm proposing "shuffle and track skip", just playing with the option ##'s wherever they come up |
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| 16:56:48 | whatboutbob | http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/archives//004567.html |
| 16:56:52 | Falco98 | "config block version number" = ? |
| 16:56:58 | whatboutbob | points to: http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/WWW/MinisterRuddockHome.nsf/Page/Media_Releases_2006_Second_Quarter_14_May_2006_-_Major_Copyright_Reforms_Strike_Balace_-_0882006 |
| 16:57:38 | linuxstb | Falco98: Search for "CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" in settings.c |
| 16:58:11 | linuxstb | If you make a change to the settings structure (apart from adding new things at the end), you need to increment that number. |
| 16:58:39 | Falco98 | oh so 43 would become 44? |
| 16:58:50 | linuxstb | indeed. |
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| 16:59:33 | dpassen2 | Wouldn't it make more sense to have two separate options: Crossfade on Play, and Crossfade on Track Skip? Each with the options Always, Shuffle, Off so all combinations could be easily made. |
| 16:59:50 | Cassandra | Grrr- no more f***ing crossfade options. |
| 16:59:58 | dpassen2 | Haha |
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| 17:00:00 | Cassandra | Personally I think 1 is too many. |
| 17:00:11 | Falco98 | why? there should be "shuffle and track skip" |
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| 17:00:16 | Cassandra | Although I'm willing to accept some people can't live without it. |
| 17:00:19 | dpassen2 | I don't use it, either. |
| 17:00:21 | Falco98 | it wouldn't even implement any new functionality |
| 17:00:38 | Falco98 | what.. having crossfade at *least* when you manually track skip is really nice |
| 17:00:46 | dpassen2 | All I'm suggesting is rather than hardcoding certain options, make all available. |
| 17:00:46 | Falco98 | as is when you want to listen to everything shuffled |
| 17:01:05 | Falco98 | but for some reason, right now, you can only have one or the other |
| 17:01:22 | JdGordon | oh crap... my brilliant new editor is freeking slow on the target :'( |
| 17:01:24 | Falco98 | so if you switch back and forth between shuffle and non-shuffle, you have to go dig around in crossfade settings too |
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| 17:02:02 | Cassandra | Well, I guess if it's just a matter of adding another mode to an existing option .... |
| 17:02:13 | Falco98 | indeed |
| 17:02:16 | Febs | I just experienced an interesting bug on my ipod video. After about 45-50 minutes of playing music, playback paused. The interesting thing is that after stopping and restarting, the L and R channels were reversed. |
| 17:02:22 | Cassandra | (still doesn't stop crossfade being the device of satan's own bottom though.) |
| 17:02:33 | Falco98 | i think that would *pretty much* cover the reasonable possible configurations |
| 17:02:35 | Falco98 | haha |
| 17:02:40 | Falco98 | why the hate? |
| 17:02:46 | crwl | has anyone thought about implementing multiple-choice selectors as a kind of submenu instead of the current "use only one line" approach? |
| 17:02:48 | Febs | I'm using a build from about a week ago. I'm going to update the build and see if I can replicate this. |
| 17:03:11 | Falco98 | crwl: such as checkboxes or the like? |
| 17:03:16 | whatboutbob | febs: sure you're not just facing the wrong way? :-p |
| 17:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Never say "the reasonable" about anything. You do that and someone will be in here in two months time saying "What about a third possibility, so we have automatic skips, manual skips, and folder changes, so that it can crossfade between albums but play back the album itself properly" |
| 17:03:54 | JdGordon | crwl: i tinhk it was brought up on MR... |
| 17:04:01 | Febs | I double-checked to make sure my phones were in the correct ear! But listening to classical music, it's pretty obvious when suddenly the violins are on the right instead of the left. |
| 17:04:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I've heard reports of the playback pausing recently, but nobody's been able to be very clear about circumstances, whether it happens on the buffer refill, or what. If you can replicate consistently, an actual bug report would be _really_ nice. :) Also, nobody's reported the channel reverse, but it's also possible nobody's noticed. |
| 17:04:24 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: actually something i'm fancy on is "always but in albums" such that manual track changes, shuffle mode, and shuffled-playlist mode (but not "in" shuffle mode) all work OK but albums play back right |
| 17:04:31 | whatboutbob | febs: just kidding mate...that'd be kinda freaky. |
| 17:04:42 | crwl | Falco98, well, something like that - the current approach just feels like waste of screen estate |
| 17:04:48 | Falco98 | but of course that would require almost completely re-writing the crossfade settings, and not something we'll see soon :-P |
| 17:05:03 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, I'll try to replicate it. |
| 17:05:04 | Falco98 | so for now i'd be set with "shuffle and track skip" just to cover the basics |
| 17:05:07 | Falco98 | (and bases) |
| 17:05:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: The problem is feature bloat. I think two categories: Manual Skip and Auto Skip, with Always/Shuffle/Off being the choices for each is about as far as it should go. |
| 17:05:26 | Cassandra | Bah. Why does Musicbrainz always suck for classical? |
| 17:05:32 | crwl | well, not like waste of screen estate, actually conserving it a bit too much :) |
| 17:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | Cassandra...did you get my PM? |
| 17:05:45 | whatboutbob | fes: which codec? |
| 17:05:49 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, sometime soon a separation of the features would be best |
| 17:05:58 | whatboutbob | *febs |
| 17:06:05 | Falco98 | i have a feature request open for THAT too :-P |
| 17:06:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: It'd be really nice to know specifically if it cares about file format, if it happens on track change or mid-track, and if it occurs when the buffer refills (also, before stopping and resuming playback, check the audio thread, see if it's doing that strange 'go into the negatives' thing) |
| 17:06:15 | Falco98 | ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 ) |
| 17:06:33 | JdGordon | is it possible to slow the ui sim to 100% speed of the actual target? |
| 17:06:48 | * | amiconn doesn't understand why someone needs meta-features |
| 17:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Metafeatures? |
| 17:07:12 | amiconn | Why combine features which are already present as yet another feature? |
| 17:07:28 | amiconn | One can always use .cfg file to switch multiple options at once |
| 17:07:42 | Falco98 | the current way is kinda like getting a new job and being told "You can have medical benefits OR 401k OR $20/hr OR an hour for lunch OR a shitty schedule OR a bitchy boss OR all of these OR none of these" |
| 17:08:23 | amiconn | No, it's not. You can use .cfg files |
| 17:08:38 | Falco98 | amiconn: i'm talking about crossfade still |
| 17:08:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: He's right though |
| 17:08:58 | Falco98 | ah |
| 17:09:10 | amiconn | That's what I do to change my unit's setup for different environments. |
| 17:09:13 | Falco98 | how would i use a .cfg file to override "shuffle mode" in crossfade? |
| 17:09:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Put two simple .cfgs containing the two crossfade setups you like in the root, and when you switch play styles, just click the other one. No navigating menus or anything |
| 17:09:23 | Falco98 | ah |
| 17:09:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | .cfgs don't have to have ALL options, so you can simply cut anything you don't want changed from it. |
| 17:10:01 | Falco98 | yeah that makes sense.. though it still requires work and extra knowledge on the user's end where just having slightly more flexible options would do it |
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| 17:10:21 | amiconn | For earphone, I push treble & bass a little, set volume to -35dB, set stereo width to 120%, etc |
| 17:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: Yes, but slightly more flexible options increases binary size, reduces battery life, and adds to the "bloat" complaints. :-P |
| 17:10:59 | Falco98 | in some cases i believe we'd find "slightly more flexible options" would reduce bloat |
| 17:11:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you make the binary smaller by adding this? |
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| 17:11:26 | * | JdGordon goes rb->cpu_boost(1); mad... |
| 17:11:31 | * | petur goes and removes all settings |
| 17:11:47 | Falco98 | 3 different things could all have on/off switches.. but to include them ALL in the same list of settings (to cover all cases) would take what.. 8 or 9 items? |
| 17:12:53 | Mikachu | 8 |
| 17:12:53 | schroeder | hi |
| 17:13:05 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 17:13:25 | Falco98 | and change that to 4 things, and the number becomes 16 |
| 17:13:41 | Mikachu | 2^n |
| 17:13:46 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 17:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: But that's not ADDING options. That's just changing the way the options are presented. There's a difference. |
| 17:14:19 | Falco98 | (same formula as figuring out the number of possible combinations on a X dimension monitor and Y number of colors :-P except the number is too high to calculate) |
| 17:15:35 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: well i'm adding an option to crossfade-enable, but if the currently possible settings were separated out into separate cases, we'd only need the 2 you described |
| 17:15:47 | Falco98 | (and i wouldn't need to bother adding what i propose) |
| 17:16:11 | JdGordon | y isnt cpu_boost() defined for the sim? even as a blank? |
| 17:16:42 | Falco98 | oh well, time to get off the PC for a few hours (JD isn't it late there?) |
| 17:16:44 | JdGordon | ..or maybe it is and my problem is elsewere |
| 17:16:53 | JdGordon | ye, 1.15am.. im going to bed soon |
| 17:17:05 | Falco98 | ahh ok, not so bad, i was up til 3 last night here :-P |
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| 17:17:16 | Falco98 | later all... thanks for the pointers and healthy debate :-P |
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| 17:18:03 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You need to put cpu_boost() inside #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ - which isn't defined for the sim. |
| 17:19:07 | amiconn | ...and neither for archos |
| 17:19:15 | linuxstb | exactly. |
| 17:19:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or new targets you haven't figured out how to change speed properly on yet, as well. :-P |
| 17:19:52 | amiconn | yup |
| 17:21:06 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, I wonder if a 3g developer will ever show up... |
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| 17:24:22 | JdGordon | welll that was odd... |
| 17:24:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yup, or even 1g / 2g |
| 17:24:50 | JdGordon | just tried the editor on my h300, started loading the file then went black and rebooted into iriver! |
| 17:25:05 | petur | hehe, new function |
| 17:25:20 | JdGordon | actually i tinhk it went inot iriver coz ac is in |
| 17:25:32 | petur | oh... |
| 17:26:49 | JdGordon | oh well.. didnt happen again.. off to flyspray :D |
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| 17:28:59 | JdGordon | done.. ready to be commited... |
| 17:29:12 | * | JdGordon famous last words :p |
| 17:29:14 | * | amiconn thinks there might be a null pointer problem |
| 17:29:34 | * | petur spots an ugly car |
| 17:29:36 | * | amiconn wonders why people don't use the 'catch mem accesses' debug ferature |
| 17:29:38 | petur | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/17/mitsubishi_i_car/ |
| 17:30:05 | XavierGr | amiconn: because we don't know about it! :p |
| 17:30:12 | * | JdGordon blames petur... that line i asked about before isnt liked by rb |
| 17:31:23 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I think there's a wiki page.... |
| 17:31:31 | linuxstb | (meaning we have no excuse) |
| 17:31:46 | XavierGr | of course |
| 17:32:02 | XavierGr | I am not trying to excuse myself. |
| 17:32:10 | petur | JdGordon: I didn't like it either :) |
| 17:32:22 | JdGordon | but u said it was ok :D |
| 17:32:36 | * | petur tries to remember |
| 17:32:44 | amiconn | The wiki page needs updating tho... only talks about archos :/ |
| 17:32:52 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UseMemoryGuard |
| 17:33:29 | JdGordon | [21:56:31] <petur> JdGordon: but it's safe.... |
| 17:33:50 | JdGordon | bed time.. fix it in the morning... |
| 17:33:52 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 18:01:35 | hardeep | hmmmm, java being open sourced... Rockbox Java VM anyone? =) |
| 18:02:24 | amiconn | urgh |
| 18:03:13 | amiconn | If you want sth that runs slow like hell on a multi-GHz machine and consumes all available RAM, then choose java |
| 18:03:23 | lostlogic | lol |
| 18:03:32 | lostlogic | java is just as fast as compiled C in most cases |
| 18:03:45 | lostlogic | once the JVM load overhead is done once at startup. |
| 18:04:03 | amiconn | My experience is completely different... |
| 18:04:25 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't Java on mobile phones, also? |
| 18:04:32 | amiconn | it is |
| 18:04:51 | lostlogic | a lot of benchmarks (my own included) state that that is the case. Now if you are using trig functions, or other things that the JVM doesn't have a 1-1 bytecode-to-machine-code mapping on your architecture then it crawls like a dead dog. |
| 18:06:33 | amiconn | Maybe it's not that slow when considering internal functions... but all java gui apps I've seen so far have more or less insane response times |
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| 18:08:27 | lostlogic | ahhhh, java gui != java :) |
| 18:08:51 | lostlogic | swing is heinously slow, and most people use the event interface in simply terrible ways... |
| 18:09:05 | lostlogic | check out limewire for a pretty clean /quick java GUI |
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| 18:16:19 | Pi_ | once again comments appreciated: |
| 18:16:19 | Pi_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294 |
| 18:17:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pi_: What happens if you press Menu when music is playing, but you entered the menu from the filetree? |
| 18:17:42 | Pi_ | now it goes back to WPS |
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| 18:17:58 | Pi_ | (older version went back to file tree) |
| 18:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to me like it Menu should _just_ close the menu (bringing you back to wherever you entered the menu from) and Play should do what it sounds like you have it doing. Trigger WPS, and resume playback if it's not active. |
| 18:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | What prompted you to always have it enter WPS if music is playing? |
| 18:19:10 | Pi_ | that gets a bit more complicated |
| 18:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm? |
| 18:20:33 | Pi_ | I supose it was a quick fix, with the old setup pressing play when you entered menu from file tree it returned you to the file tree (after resuming if nesesery) |
| 18:20:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, see, Play should never take you back to the filetree |
| 18:21:16 | Pi_ | the alternative it to change all the menues from bools to integers |
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| 18:21:27 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
| 18:22:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pi_: Wasn't that already suggested? |
| 18:22:53 | Pi_ | part of me just wanted to keep things simple the other part was just lazy |
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| 18:25:18 | bobTHC | have u seen the google trend about rockbox ? impressive ! |
| 18:25:19 | bobTHC | http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 18:25:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pi_: It seems to me that if we're going to make the menu actually seem popup-like, which is a fairly major goal, when it clears you should see what you saw before it. And to keep play consistent it needs to do what you're doing now. So at some point the bool to int thing is probably going to need to happen. |
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| 18:25:45 | linuxstb | Pi_: I think you've done exactly the opposite to my suggestion - i.e. you've mixed those two features.... |
| 18:25:51 | Mikachu | bobTHC: can you make it print a number too? |
| 18:27:04 | * | Pi_ hangs head in shame |
| 18:27:06 | Pi_ | I think ther are 4 return posibilitys: move up a menu, exit the menu, usb connect and return to WPS |
| 18:27:15 | Pi_ | how should i name them? |
| 18:27:21 | linuxstb | Pi_: Also, I think lots of people will thank you if you change menus to return an enumeration/integer instead of the currently restrictive bool. |
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| 18:29:09 | Pi_ | EXIT, QEXIT, USB and WPS? |
| 18:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | BACK, EXIT, USB, and PLAY? |
| 18:30:09 | Pi_ | thanks |
| 18:30:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just my suggestion. |
| 18:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as I've written less code than you, you may not want to listen. ;-) |
| 18:30:45 | Mikachu | back is a bit ambiguous maybe? |
| 18:30:47 | Mikachu | back to what? |
| 18:31:00 | Pi_ | sounds good will attempt it now |
| 18:31:30 | linuxstb | Why should there be a difference between "exit" and "quick exit" ? The function that opens the menu shouldn't need to know that. |
| 18:31:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Back to the previous level. Just back a step. |
| 18:31:42 | Pi_ | (i still know verry little C, only learnt fortran and pascal) |
| 18:32:02 | Pi_ | exit returns only one place, qexit quits them all |
| 18:32:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think his "Exit" was "Previous level in the menu tree" and "Quick Exit" was "Leave the menus entirely to wherever they were invoked from" |
| 18:32:21 | Pi_ | thanks Paul_The_Nerd |
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| 18:40:42 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah yes, if a menu calls another menu.... |
| 18:47:28 | Pi_ | if i am converting all the menus to integers, is ther any point in keeping menu_run? |
| 18:47:32 | Mikachu | isn't that what every submenu does? |
| 18:47:37 | XavierGr | do we need a minesweeper solver (cheat) like sudoku? |
| 18:47:51 | XavierGr | I have made the code for tetsting purposes |
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| 18:48:03 | Mikachu | XavierGr: just click on a mine :P |
| 18:48:30 | XavierGr | that's now a solver. What I am talking about is a button that will make all blocks transparent |
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| 18:48:34 | XavierGr | now = not |
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| 18:52:26 | PaulJam | XavierGr: Maybe some kind of "hint" function, that reveals only what is underneath the selected field would be a good idea. |
| 18:53:21 | XavierGr | now that I think of it I will make good use of the solver when the user loses, just like windows' minesweeper. |
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| 19:02:34 | XavierGr | minesweeper is completely f*cked up... :p |
| 19:02:56 | XavierGr | on a note the plugin says e.g 16% mines but that is not correct. |
| 19:03:52 | XavierGr | 16 is the possibility for a tile to be a mine when the mine placing function goes over all tiles. |
| 19:04:07 | XavierGr | AFAIK that has nothing to do with '%' |
| 19:04:58 | markun | I fail to see how 16 is not a percentage |
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| 19:05:19 | XavierGr | tiles = height * width |
| 19:05:27 | amiconn | XavierGr: 16% mines is correct |
| 19:05:32 | XavierGr | :( |
| 19:06:13 | amiconn | However, what you say cannot be correct: a probability can't be above 1 |
| 19:06:22 | XavierGr | well on a 20*16 board 16% = 51 mines |
| 19:06:31 | amiconn | A probability of 1 (== 100%) means 'always' |
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| 19:06:46 | markun | XavierGr: yes, that's correct |
| 19:06:58 | XavierGr | but the code AFAIK does the following: |
| 19:07:15 | senab | does anyone fancy testing out my new WPS for the ipod 5g? |
| 19:07:23 | XavierGr | It passes through all tiles and with a random function decides if it will be a mine or not. |
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| 19:07:40 | XavierGr | (given higher percentage higher probability) |
| 19:07:46 | markun | XavierGr: yes, with a chance of 16%, so in average 16% will have a mine |
| 19:07:59 | Mikachu | if you're lucky it could be minefree |
| 19:08:07 | Mikachu | but that probably won't happen with a pseudo random function |
| 19:08:11 | XavierGr | so even at 16% a 20*16 board will not have always 51 mines |
| 19:08:40 | XavierGr | yes but the plugin says 16% mines |
| 19:08:50 | XavierGr | not 16% probability |
| 19:09:59 | XavierGr | Mikachu: now that i am testing minsweeper at 16% (which is the default) on 4*4 board many time I get no mines |
| 19:10:12 | XavierGr | ^times |
| 19:10:28 | amiconn | Then that implementation is wrong |
| 19:10:35 | senab | if anyone fancies testing it, see here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4263.0 |
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| 19:11:57 | Mikachu | senab: you are of course aware that post doesn't say what ipod it's for anywhere? |
| 19:12:06 | senab | oh ye, crap |
| 19:12:22 | Mikachu | (can't test, have nano) |
| 19:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's 5G I'm guessing from the screenshot |
| 19:12:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is not a fan of WPSes designed to look like other media players anyway. |
| 19:12:56 | Mikachu | especially not wmv :) |
| 19:13:15 | senab | i'm not the greatest fan of wmp myself |
| 19:13:22 | XavierGr | so I ask, do we need specific % on mines (based on board size) and the scatter them across the board randomly, or scan all tiles and use a probability? (which may give no mines, or full of mines) |
| 19:13:23 | senab | but i like the look of the new version |
| 19:13:39 | senab | i'm a foobar + columns ui person meself |
| 19:14:04 | Mikachu | i always rm wmplayer.exe and use mplayer2.exe if i touch a windows machine |
| 19:14:25 | Mikachu | i miss the old media player with the green led display |
| 19:14:31 | XavierGr | the best video player out there (for windows) is Media player classic. |
| 19:14:39 | senab | VLC? |
| 19:14:45 | amiconn | 2 new battery test results: h140, no backlight, no disk poweroff: 16:56. player, backlight always: 19:11 |
| 19:15:12 | XavierGr | no disk power off? |
| 19:15:19 | amiconn | With disk poweroff |
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| 19:15:24 | XavierGr | ah I thought so |
| 19:15:31 | amiconn | The test without will be started next, after charging |
| 19:15:49 | amiconn | Test on recorder without disk poweroff should end sometime tonight |
| 19:16:09 | senab | i did a battery test for my 5g last nite and got 5:27 |
| 19:16:19 | XavierGr | ouch:( |
| 19:16:29 | senab | yep |
| 19:16:40 | Mikachu | did you leave it on demo mode in doom? |
| 19:16:51 | XavierGr | senab: with retail OS how much do you get? |
| 19:16:51 | senab | i was suprised, thought it'd be longer but no luck |
| 19:17:05 | amiconn | battery runtime of ipod rockbox is rather poor |
| 19:17:12 | amiconn | Only mini 2g is ok-ish |
| 19:17:17 | senab | dunno, i've never used it, as soon as i got my ipod i put RB on |
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| 19:17:39 | senab | i only ever use retail OS for videos |
| 19:18:07 | amiconn | The codecs need more optimisation as well as the lcd drawing on colour ipods, and we need to figure out whether ipods can do disk poweroff, and if so, how to use it |
| 19:18:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It's not _bad_ on Nano. |
| 19:18:58 | linuxstb_ | senab: Was that a 30GB or 60GB 5g? |
| 19:19:03 | senab | 30gb |
| 19:19:17 | senab | with the smaller battery :( |
| 19:20:20 | senab | does anyone know which wiki page was the one where you can post ur battery_bench logs |
| 19:20:28 | linuxstb_ | IpodRuntime |
| 19:20:50 | senab | cheers i'll post it now |
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| 19:26:32 | senab | which is the most optimized codec on the 5g? |
| 19:27:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you mean "fastest decoding" or "best battery life"? |
| 19:27:36 | senab | best battery life |
| 19:27:46 | senab | i'm guessing mad is the fastest decoding |
| 19:27:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hard to say at the moment. |
| 19:28:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably Ogg at the moment though. |
| 19:28:30 | senab | cheers, that my preference of codec anyway |
| 19:28:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Recently our MP3 codec saw some optimizations, but I don't know if that pushed it under Ogg. Also, I can't remember if the new ARM opts for Ogg from our iFP port got committed. |
| 19:28:44 | amiconn | vorbis is faster than mad on ipod atm |
| 19:29:05 | amiconn | ac3 is very efficient on both iriver and ipod |
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| 19:30:05 | senab | is it? i'd have thought the 5.1 > 2 channel would take quite a bit of processing power |
| 19:30:09 | amiconn | The format that uses the least possible cpu power (on ipod) is of course wav - but that spins the disk a lot |
| 19:30:32 | senab | thats the downfall i'm having with flac at the mo |
| 19:30:46 | senab | the disk spinning is really killing my battery |
| 19:30:46 | amiconn | senab: There are 2 channel ac3 files. But even with 5.1 -> 2.0 downmix it's very efficient |
| 19:31:32 | senab | ye, but i've only ever seen a couple of 2 channel ac3's, whereas i'm seen loads of 5.1 |
| 19:32:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the advantage of encoding your own music. You actually get to pick. ;-) |
| 19:32:45 | * | amiconn should prepare his own testset with encodings in all supported formats, with various bitrates/compression levels |
| 19:32:53 | senab | u can encode ac3? |
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| 19:33:22 | Hydronic | hi anyone here? |
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| 19:34:07 | senab | amiconn: wouldn't a link to HA suffiuce? |
| 19:34:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | senab: They've got to be made somehow. |
| 19:34:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hydronic: There are many people here. |
| 19:34:33 | senab | paul: yeh, but i didn't think there was a publicly available encoder |
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| 19:35:07 | Hydronic | i was just curious if there will ever be support (for the ipod 5g) for dsp plugins like those available for winamp |
| 19:35:10 | amiconn | Hmm, I thought I could. However, I think there's a program out there that can do it |
| 19:35:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | This maybe? http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3encode/ |
| 19:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pre-alpha, but they're working on it |
| 19:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 19:36:25 | senab | great stuff, ive needed a ac3 encoder for a while |
| 19:36:52 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Just googled and found the same project... |
| 19:37:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 19:37:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it seems at least that there's an AC3 encoder in ffmpeg, so that's one right there. |
| 19:38:22 | senab | hav u tried the one in ffmpeg? |
| 19:38:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nossir. |
| 19:38:36 | senab | it's not the greatest in quality |
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| 19:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | senab: I thought you said you didn't think there was a publicly available one... |
| 19:39:10 | senab | i know i just tried in after i googled |
| 19:39:15 | senab | *it |
| 19:39:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 19:39:24 | senab | saw it on a HA thread |
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| 19:40:33 | senab | apparently "It's just a basic implementation of teh algorithms with minimal tweaking. Quality is quite bad." |
| 19:40:53 | Hydronic | also, my ipod resets to default wps and sound settings randomly |
| 19:41:52 | senab | mine does that when i turn it on with the hold switch on |
| 19:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hydronic: I doubt it's entirely random. Does it say "Settings Cleared" or does it only ever happen after USB inserts, or what? |
| 19:43:08 | Hydronic | almost every time after charging via usb and randomly after i turn it off.. ive tried fiddling with the hold button |
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| 19:44:20 | amiconn | ac3encode uses the ffmpeg encoder |
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| 19:45:26 | Hydronic | is patch or diff easier to use? i cant figure out either one |
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| 20:10:26 | amiconn | XavierGr: The NULL pointer access in jpeg.rock (described on the ml) would have shown up with the 'catch mem accesses' debug feature on target... |
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| 20:14:31 | * | XavierGr knods |
| 20:15:22 | XavierGr | someone better commit the jpeg fix. #5362 |
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| 20:24:54 | Presence | can we specify how long the "volume fade" is when pausing or stopping? |
| 20:26:22 | Presence | Oooor, at the point "pause" is hit, can we update the WPS with the status, instead of updating the WPS status once the volume has completed its fade-out. |
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| 20:59:58 | Presence | the album cover patches want the album image to be named what? "cover.bmp"? |
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| 21:01:06 | PaulJam | it looks first for <albumname>.bmp then for <songname>.bmp and then for cover.bmp |
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| 21:01:33 | Presence | so be it. thanks! |
| 21:01:47 | Presence | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 21:01:50 | Presence | der. my lame. |
| 21:02:17 | PaulJam | oops |
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| 21:23:34 | Falco98 | dpassen1: we finally got it working :-P |
| 21:24:08 | dpassen1 | Cool, is the latest version posted? |
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| 21:28:07 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 21:28:12 | Falco98 | hold on.. |
| 21:28:18 | Falco98 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 |
| 21:28:39 | Falco98 | my submitted patch, all the way at the bottom, works nearly 100% as far as i can tell |
| 21:29:22 | Falco98 | though if someone feels like eyeing it for possible randomness or usability improvements i'm all ears :-P |
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| 21:38:51 | Pi_ | if I have a #define in a header, and then include the .h in another file, do I need to make another #define or can I use the other one? |
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| 21:41:32 | sharpe | Pi_: i'm pretty sure you can use the other one. |
| 21:42:52 | Pi_ | in menu.h i have "#define MENU_ATTACHED_USB -1" and in tree.c i have "#include "menu.h"" |
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| 21:43:31 | Pi_ | so can i use "MENU_ATTACHED_USB" in tree.c |
| 21:43:52 | Pi_ | thanks sharpe, was just clearing it up |
| 21:46:15 | sharpe | :) |
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| 21:54:52 | sharpe | for the keyboard entry, kbd_input(), right? |
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| 22:02:20 | * | petur is bored - got a bunch of old folks visiting ;) |
| 22:04:56 | sharpe | old people?! |
| 22:05:52 | petur | you know, 60+ |
| 22:05:58 | sharpe | ah |
| 22:06:03 | petur | family thing |
| 22:06:11 | Doomed | lol |
| 22:06:14 | sharpe | of course |
| 22:06:44 | sharpe | not like you'd randomly have older people in one's home for no reason... especially if they're not family |
| 22:07:04 | petur | ;) |
| 22:11:32 | sharpe | good mood today... |
| 22:11:42 | sharpe | actually working a bit more on the emulator. |
| 22:16:07 | sharpe | anyone have any more suggestions for the name for the c64 emulator? |
| 22:19:54 | linuxstb_ | I guess that means no... |
| 22:20:23 | sharpe | it would seem so. |
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| 22:21:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not just C64.rock? |
| 22:21:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, things don't _need_ fancy names. |
| 22:22:28 | sharpe | it doesn't really matter to me what it's named... just getting the general consensus... |
| 22:22:45 | sharpe | albiet nothing it would seem |
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| 22:28:29 | crwl | hey, has someone noticed, that you can select the Pitch menu with H100 remote but can't get out of it |
| 22:28:38 | crwl | (in fact, the menu doesn't show on the remote) |
| 22:29:30 | Falco98 | you tried pressing stop, i guess? |
| 22:29:47 | crwl | yep |
| 22:29:51 | sharpe | i probably would have noticed if i had a remote. |
| 22:30:04 | sharpe | it would've also helped to have an h100 |
| 22:30:11 | sharpe | but i've only an ipod... |
| 22:30:35 | crwl | well, i've just been thinking about actually trying to use the remote for once... after owning my H120 for about two years :P |
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| 22:30:47 | Falco98 | how do you even get into the pitch menu? |
| 22:31:11 | midkay | what model? |
| 22:31:16 | crwl | how wouldn't i? the menues seem to be exactly the same on remote as on the main unit |
| 22:31:35 | crwl | H120 |
| 22:31:40 | Falco98 | umm |
| 22:31:42 | midkay | that was @ falco.. |
| 22:31:46 | crwl | ah :) |
| 22:31:46 | Falco98 | i'm just asking how to get into the pitch menu |
| 22:31:55 | Falco98 | as in, i can't find it on mine, just now |
| 22:32:02 | midkay | i'm just asking your target. go to the context menu at the WPS.. |
| 22:32:12 | midkay | but if you have a certain model, there's a key shortcut. never mind, you don't care. |
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| 22:32:27 | Falco98 | ahh |
| 22:32:30 | | Part schroeder |
| 22:32:32 | Falco98 | i was trying the regular menu for some reason |
| 22:32:51 | Falco98 | got it |
| 22:32:59 | Falco98 | yeah, it seems you can't get out of it from the remote... |
| 22:33:06 | Falco98 | and when you enter it the remote screen just freezes |
| 22:34:01 | sharpe | oh noes! |
| 22:34:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic, hardeep: Either of you around by chance? It sounds like there's a case where it doesn't rebuffer, which is what seems to trigger this "music stops, but I press stop then resume the playlist and it's fine" issue. |
| 22:35:18 | crwl | stuff under the Info menu seem to do that too... at least "Rockbox info" should probably work |
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| 22:37:41 | lostlogic | ok,how? |
| 22:37:42 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 22:37:46 | lostlogic | I mean I'm vaguely here |
| 22:37:55 | sharpe | how am i going to do the menu for the saved states? |
| 22:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: According to one person, the first rebuffer after an automatic folder change doesn't happen, from the sounds of it. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4225.msg31787#msg31787 |
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| 22:40:33 | lostlogic | hmm... latest CVS? |
| 22:40:43 | lostlogic | hardeep's recent commit about the playlist_end should have fixed that |
| 22:40:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay then. That post said he's using a slightly older one |
| 22:41:16 | PaulJam | the build was from before hardeeps commit |
| 22:45:25 | PaulJam | lostlogic: when was the commit that should have fixed that? i have also experineced it with a cvs from 11 May 19:21 |
| 22:46:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: The fix was on the 15th |
| 22:46:42 | PaulJam | yes, i have just found it |
| 22:47:12 | PaulJam | i will try it with a current build |
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| 22:59:41 | voyage34 | Hi. Is there an audioscrobbler/last.fm plugin for rocbox on the ipod 5g? |
| 22:59:54 | midkay | hi. not yet. |
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| 23:00:03 | voyage34 | thanks |
| 23:00:05 | midkay | being worked on.. |
| 23:00:09 | voyage34 | excellent |
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| 23:09:04 | sharpe | hmm |
| 23:10:03 | sharpe | why not just have a global function that transverses directories and calls specified functions when certain conditions are met, such as... directory is found, file is found, etc... |
| 23:10:46 | hardeep | i actually wrote such a function for the playlist catalog patch |
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| 23:10:59 | sharpe | heh |
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| 23:11:18 | hardeep | i left it in the playlist code but it can probably be moved to tree |
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| 23:11:28 | sharpe | i see. |
| 23:11:57 | sharpe | i wonder if it would be safe to just pass a NULL to menu_init() as the menu item list... |
| 23:13:15 | sharpe | as i'll be adding them to the list... |
| 23:14:56 | PaulJam | ok, the bug seems to be fixed (at least it didn't happen this time) |
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| 23:17:51 | XavierGr | amiconn: do you have the logs of your H100 with and without disk power off? |
| 23:18:00 | sharpe | eh, i'll just pass it a pointer to the unused plugin buffer... |
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| 23:37:21 | XavierGr | does anyone know how the hex numbers work in the bitmap icons? |
| 23:38:01 | XavierGr | I know that each hex number represents a vertical line of the icon, but how the number comes from it? |
| 23:38:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bits |
| 23:38:37 | Doomed | lol |
| 23:38:41 | Doomed | hello |
| 23:38:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1 = pixel, 0 = no pixel |
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| 23:39:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, you get a number in binary. Convert to hex, and you're done. |
| 23:39:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think |
| 23:39:17 | XavierGr | let me see then... |
| 23:40:26 | sharpe | ... |
| 23:40:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: ? |
| 23:40:43 | sharpe | error: 'dir' undeclared... in the declaration... |
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| 23:42:14 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks seems to be working. |
| 23:42:24 | sharpe | gcc loves me |
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| 23:44:16 | sharpe | ahh... |
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| 23:51:58 | sharpe | ergh |
| 23:54:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It being troublesome? |
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| 23:54:32 | sharpe | yep. |
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| 23:54:53 | sharpe | apparently declaring an undecalred variable won't work. |
| 23:55:24 | Mikachu | sharpe: you're doing Something Wrong [tm] |
| 23:55:30 | XavierGr | what is preferable? You loose ot you lose? (I don't remember which is which). |
| 23:55:38 | sharpe | it would seem i am... |
| 23:55:48 | XavierGr | ^or |
| 23:55:49 | Mikachu | XavierGr: they're two different words |
| 23:55:56 | Mikachu | XavierGr: loose is the opposite of tightened |
| 23:55:59 | Mikachu | lose is the opposite of win |
| 23:56:05 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 23:56:10 | XavierGr | now I remember |
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| 23:56:23 | Mikachu | but they sound the same |
| 23:56:27 | XavierGr | smothing like "loose screw" right? |
| 23:56:44 | Mikachu | yeah you have a screw loose |
| 23:56:49 | XavierGr | (*sigh* my spelling is getting worse...) |
| 23:56:58 | Mikachu | :P |
| 23:57:08 | XavierGr | ok thanks! :D |
| 23:57:10 | sharpe | aHHH!!! |
| 23:57:14 | scorche | Mikachu: not quite the same..."loos" = loose "looz" = lose |
| 23:57:15 | scorche | ;) |
| 23:57:20 | sharpe | gcc, why do you hate me? |
| 23:57:38 | scorche | <sharpe> gcc loves me |
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| 23:57:51 | sharpe | scorche: it's a love-hate relationship |
| 23:58:03 | mmmTROUT | i love rockbox |
| 23:58:17 | petur | blaming the compiler... how typical ;) |
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| 23:58:40 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:58:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | petur: There is at _least_ one documented case in the last 6 months of Rockbox's history where it actually *was* the compiler's fault. |
| 23:58:55 | petur | I know.... |
| 23:58:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
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