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#rockbox log for 2006-05-17

00:00:02Moosprobably :)
00:00:07amiconnOtherwise the rwps wouldn't be there when you plug in the remote
00:00:20amiconn(or any other remote lcd content for that matter)
00:00:51stripwaxamiconn - ok but for example the scrolling thead could be idle
00:01:18amiconnRendering the remote lcd isn't much cpu load - the remote is monochrome, the framebuffer just 1KB
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00:01:53amiconnThe major cpu drain is the remote lcd transfer - that of course doesn't happen when no remote is plugged
00:01:55stripwaxamiconn mm, true. but for those of us who don't even have a remote, would disabling it much/any difference
00:02:25Moos"isn't much cpu load"
00:03:10Moosbut probably too much for people w/o remote at all :)
00:03:30Falco98just registered with nickserv :-P
00:03:37amiconnHmm. Sleeping the remote scroll thread while no remote is plugged is probably a good idea
00:04:03stripwaxamiconn - thanks (I suggested it previously but no-one bought it)
00:04:14amiconnThe display doesn't need to be time-exact when plugging the remote
00:04:44amiconnThe scrolling lines would still be set up, but they wouldn't scroll "in the dark"
00:06:01*Moos turns off his mind after a bloody hard day
00:06:11Moosnight or whatever all
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00:08:48amiconnLooks like an easy thing to add....
00:09:52stripwaxI had a look and it looked like it would be a two-liner (just putting a Continue in the scroll thread loop), but maybe there's a smarter Rockboxy way to turn off that thread
00:10:27amiconnA continue would make the thread still wake up every cycle
00:10:38amiconnThere's a better way (needing 3 lines)
00:10:49Mikachuwow, every cycle? :)
00:11:05amiconnEvery 'delay' cycles
00:11:12Mikachuah heh
00:11:21amiconnThat depends on how your scroll speed is set
00:11:45stripwaxBTW - I use the fastest scroll speed with 1-pixel scrolling :)
00:11:45amiconn if (remote_initialized)
00:11:45amiconn queue_wait_w_tmo(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev, delay);
00:11:45amiconn else
00:11:45DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
00:11:45amiconn queue_wait(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev);
00:12:04stripwaxamiconn - yeah, something like that ;-) place of the queue_waitw_tmo()
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00:18:15sharpei must have a cut on the side of my tongue. :(
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00:28:11afruff23In the dual-boot bootloader for the X5. how can I choose which version of Cowon's FW I want to use?
00:28:31afruff23does it just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader?
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00:34:14afruff23can anbody answer my second question with yes or no? I don't need an explanation.
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00:46:38afruff23 does the X5 dual-bootloader just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader?
00:48:39markunafruff23: did you read this?
00:48:57markun"have original x5-fw.bin in your build-x5-bootloader dir"
00:49:08markundon't know where to get that though
00:49:29afruff23but on iaudiophile forums, a guy said it uses the FW that was on it before
00:49:33afruff23I doubt it though
00:49:39afruff23whcih is why I asked to make sure
00:49:56markunWhy do you doubt that?
00:50:48afruff23so he's right?
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00:51:29afruff23that's the psot
00:51:38afruff23maybe I paraphrased it wrong
00:51:52markunHm, no, it uses the iaudio firmware image on this site I think:
00:52:50afruff23the dualboot is in the patch tracker
00:53:01afruff23sorry if I misunderstand you
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00:54:00markunI don't see him saying anything about the firmware that was on it before
00:54:17afruff23H#mod is the firmware that was on it ebfore
00:54:34afruff23his instructions don't make sesne
00:54:44markunThe make sense to me
00:54:48afruff23he enver mentions ever putting the dual-boot on to the player itself
00:55:31afruff23he jsut says put the H3mod firmware on the X5(H3mod is hacked version of the original firmware) and the dualbootlaoder is now installed
00:55:41markunNo, h3mod is not a firmware
00:55:58markunh3mod is a tool to change an existing firmware (including the dual boot firmware)
00:56:18afruff23yes, whcih results in a new bin file
00:57:25markunAnd if you use the dual boot firmware and change it with h3mod the result will still be dual boot
00:57:31afruff23so in step #2, is he saying to copy the H3mod FW over or the dual-boot FW?
00:58:02markunYes, and the h3mod firmware is dual boot..
00:58:21markunThink about it some more, I'm going to sleep
00:58:23markunGood night
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01:10:32pjoHello! I just installed RockBox into iPod Photo, but could anyone help me how to find the music ?
01:10:51pjothere is no file browser
01:11:13afruff23did you transfer the files using iTUnes?
01:11:25sharpepjo: what do you mean, there is no file browser?
01:12:17afruff23you can't view files transferred to your iPod unless they were copied to it as a drive ltter
01:12:22pjoin the first screen menu, i do not see the file browser item, music were transfered by iTunes
01:12:27afruff23i.e. no software
01:12:36afruff23use foobar's foo_pod plugin
01:12:41afruff23to sort the databse
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01:12:54pjook i will try thanks
01:13:11sharpefirst screen menu? you mean, the first screen that comes up when you boot rockbox?
01:13:53afruff23pjo, read that
01:17:29sharpethat's the filebrowser.
01:18:20pjoi am installing foo
01:18:44afruff23but make sure you read the link I gave you
01:20:07pjoi am reading it now thanks
01:21:22pjodoes foo change the file names already in iPod ?
01:21:54midkaypjo, what model are you using?
01:22:16midkayah, photo.. well, i tried foo_pod, it didn't work for me. why not just use TagCache?
01:22:35pjooh scarely
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01:22:50pjomine is Photo 60G
01:22:53midkaytagcache is quick and supported and configurable.
01:23:03midkayafruff23, you *really* can't tell what that means?
01:23:33afruff23no, I can't
01:23:39midkaytake out the l.
01:23:59afruff23that threw me off ;)
01:24:17afruff23and it seems out of cotnext
01:24:29midkayout of context how?
01:24:45afruff23how is it scary?
01:24:55afruff23BTW, there's no "e"
01:25:07pjoi meant to damage the existing music files....
01:25:13midkayi know, but you should at least be able to tell what "scarey" means.
01:25:20afruff23it won't damge the files
01:25:31midkaypjo, you don't need to touch a thing for your files. just use rockbox's TagCache feature.
01:25:37pjook that is what I wanted to know thanks
01:25:37afruff23you have to first copy it to your PC
01:25:57midkaypjo, i wouldn't suggest trying it. i had to recopy everything after i messed around with foo_pod.
01:26:01pjoTagCache, I do not have to install it ?
01:26:14midkaypjo, Pentagon Releases Video of Sept. 11 Attack
01:26:15midkay1010 Wins, NY - 17 minutes ago
01:26:18afruff23you have to change file view to ID3 database
01:26:37afruff23and you ahve to force tag cache to update for the first time
01:26:38pjoyes I am reading it now
01:27:06pjobut why I have to copy music files to PC ? though I already did it using yamipod
01:27:22midkaypjo, what? you don't..
01:27:55pjoI mean to run TagCache, do I have to copy music files to PC ?
01:28:04midkayno, it doesn't say that anywhere.
01:28:21midkayyou just do a few things on your iPod, and it's enabled.
01:28:25pjoafruff23 wrote that
01:28:41midkayhe doesn't know what he's talking about, I think :)
01:29:05pjowhat is the significance of the pentagon video ?
01:29:20midkaypjo, it was my mistake, meant to paste the TagCache link.
01:29:37pjooh but it looks interesting
01:29:48afruff23I was tlaking about foo_pod when I said copy files to PC
01:29:58midkayafruff23, why would you need to copy files to your PC?
01:30:03pjooh thanks
01:30:15afruff23I don't knwo, but it's in the drections in the link I posted
01:30:25midkaypjo, yes, apparently a couple of hours ago a video was released of a plane hitting the pentagon.
01:30:55afruff23are you serious?
01:31:08pjoanyway thanks to Loader 2 now I can select APple, RockBox, iPodLinux triple threat !!!
01:32:27midkayi am indeed... check any news site, probably front-page everywhere..
01:32:36midkayafruff23, can i ask why you suggested foo_pod instead of TagCache?
01:32:52afruff23because your filenames will be in order
01:33:19midkaywhy wouldn't they be with tagcache?
01:33:19pjowhat will happen if I do TagCache then foo ?
01:33:28midkayas long as your files are tagged correctly
01:33:40afruff23because iTUnes places the files in a fodler with soem random filenames
01:33:48midkaypjo, i wouldn't touch foo, honestly, tagcache works great, foo_pod is not very useful and tends not to work.
01:33:49afruff23tagcache doesn't fix that
01:33:54midkayafruff23, yes, actually, it does.
01:33:59midkaythat's why it's called TAG cache, not FILENAME cache.
01:34:06pjofix what ?
01:34:16midkayplease don't attempt to help people when you have no idea what you're talking about.. *brb*
01:34:17afruff23I ama ware that it allows you to browse files
01:34:18pjooh fix tag ?
01:34:25afruff23but it doesn't rename them
01:34:48pjoiTunes does not put tags ?
01:35:57afruff23tag cache doesn't fix anything. It ssut databases the tags and shows them to you. Sicne you most likely have correct tags since you used apple's firmware before, he suggested tagcache
01:36:01pjoif file names are corrected, will Apple firmware play them ?
01:36:02afruff23no, iTUens has correct tags
01:36:06midkayafruff23, no, no *reason* to rename them.
01:36:21midkayit SHOWS their tags but doesn't touch the original filenames.
01:36:43afruff23if he ever wants to use somethign other than tagcache then he will be begging to have correct filenames
01:36:50midkaypjo, tagcache doesn't touch your songs. that way ipod firmware will play them, but tagcache shows you their names but redirects you to the correct file.
01:36:58CassandraDamn it. I'm finding myself liking the Finnish Eurovision entry. It's so bad it's actually good.
01:37:08midkayafruff23, well, this isn't the time or place to deal with that.
01:37:43afruff23Personally, I prefer file browser and I don't want to limit pjo to just using tagcache
01:38:01midkayafruff23, foo_pod doesn't rename them for you.
01:38:04afruff23also how is he goign to know which file is which when he wants to delte something without software?
01:38:17midkayit just updates apple's db to see what files are on the device.
01:38:23midkayso this does not pertain to correctly naming songs.
01:38:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:38:40midkaysecond, he can delete them from itunes, of course.
01:38:40pjoI am confused. in PC I can see my music files with all names
01:38:56pjonot random names
01:39:01midkaypjo, you said your music is transferred from itunes.
01:39:20pjoyes and I copied it back to PC using other tool
01:39:32afruff23midkay, I said without software
01:39:44midkayafruff23, you can't delete things from the ipod firmware without software.
01:39:48midkaynot like it's that important.
01:40:54midkaypjo, so your music is stored on your iPod with random filenames in hidden folders.
01:40:54afruff23what happens if I delte an apple FW-recognized file using the filebrowser and I don't update the iTuens DB?
01:41:08pjolet me check
01:41:21midkayafruff23, maybe the db would update itself when you plugged it back in?
01:41:44afruff23but say I don't plug it back into the PC, what happens?
01:41:50afruff23this is not a rhetorical question
01:41:54midkayit skips over the file in the ipod firmware.
01:42:06midkayit shows up but is skipped.
01:42:26midkayand i'm not speculating. foo_pod screwed up my database, i had experience with this..
01:42:47pjoI checked the files
01:42:54midkaywhich files?
01:43:19pjoall music has a long file name such as 2-04 Partita No. 2 in D-min.m4a
01:43:31midkaythat's on your pc.
01:43:33pjobut the directory name is F04 etc
01:43:41pjothis is on iPod
01:44:03midkaydid you modify anything or use foo_pod?
01:44:13pjoi did not use foo
01:44:22pjoi did not modify
01:44:35midkayi don't know why that happens, maybe some software you ran did it, but itunes copies them over as four letters/numbers per name..
01:44:56pjonow am I ok to use TagCache ?
01:45:06midkayyou're ok to use tagcache anywhere anytime..
01:45:07afruff23you were always ok to use it
01:45:09midkayjust follow the instructions.
01:46:28afruff23but please note that tagcache has some limitations, but wiht properly-tagged files you will not expereince msot of the limitations
01:46:44pjoWhen RockBox is booted I cannot see general settings
01:47:11midkaypress menu..
01:47:20midkayafruff23, like what limitations?
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01:47:39Jd|unihey all
01:48:04pjomenu did, Recent Bookmarks, Klank Opsies, ..... but no General Settings
01:48:06afruff23you can't insert a whole album
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01:48:23midkayby god, what a limitation it is..
01:48:23XavierGrpjo: which composer's partita? :p
01:48:39pjoit is Bach
01:48:53midkaypjo, klank opsies?
01:48:58afruff23search by year. It shows songs not from the year, but ALL THE songs from the artist who has a song in that year.
01:49:04midkayis that a different language? it should be the third entry..
01:49:12midkayafruff23, who browses by year?
01:49:16pjoand Algemene Opsies
01:49:20midkayit'll be fixed in due time..
01:49:25afruff23in other words, if you have 100's of songs from 1 year, then you have to go through a very long list
01:49:58afruff23the genre in tagcache, and go to untagged. The files show up as filenames with extensions, rather than artists, which would be further subdivided to have the filenames of ONLY non-genre-tagged files.
01:50:03midkayafruff23, thanks for the baby explanation, but if anyone needs it, it's you.. tagcache is not perfect, but it's far simpler and quicker than a broken piece of software that will probably mangle your apple database.
01:50:03pjopls tell me how to launch TagCache, s'il vous plait
01:50:32midkaypjo, sigh, sigh, sigh. it'd be Algemene Opsies, i think, but select another language, since you can't read that one, apparently.
01:50:59pjowhat language is this ?
01:51:32bagawkI am glad I am not french and have to say "s'il vous plait" to say please!
01:51:42midkayum, good one, bagawk...
01:51:53midkaypjo, i have no idea, but you must have selected it..
01:52:03midkaycheck .rockbox/langs for english or french if you wish.
01:52:08scorchebagawk: it technically means if you please...not just please
01:52:29bagawkWell the frech have some nice radio
01:52:35bagawkradioabf is my favorite
01:52:46CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:52:46*afruff23 is glad I don't have a rockbox'd iPod and have to deal with all these limitations and risking using bad software
01:52:47pjoi managed to change the language to English
01:53:05midkayalright, now follow the instructions..
01:53:34afruff23I never used foo_pod myself, I was just taking info straight from the iPod faq
01:53:51Jd|uniFalco98: u around?
01:54:07pjoI clicked Tag Cache and selected Keep on disk
01:54:14midkayalright, well, as far as your limitations before, by the way - browsing by year or genre is not possible *at all* without tagcache.
01:54:20pjohow do I initiate database creation ?
01:54:20midkaypjo, alright, now force an update..
01:54:41pjohow ?
01:54:52afruff23Well genre is possible with correct directory structure
01:55:00midkaybut then not year.
01:55:06afruff23yes you can
01:55:12afruff23use smart playlists
01:55:20afruff23such as in foobar2000
01:55:20midkaynot at the same time, not without duplicate files.. not last i checked..
01:55:25midkaythat requires adjustment from a pc.
01:55:37pjopls instruct me how to initiate DB creation ?
01:55:44midkaypjo, _force_ _an_ _update_.
01:55:49midkaylike the instructions say, and like i said.
01:55:57pjoi do not see that
01:55:58midkayit should be right in the menu. force tagcache update.
01:56:09midkayplayback menu, right below the keep on disk option.
01:56:10pjooh i was in a wrong menu
01:57:08pjoI could not find force_.... in tut
01:57:26afruff23midkay, do you use tagcache? if so, do you keep it on disk or RAM, or on disk with dircache?
01:57:31midkaythe underscores were for emphasis.
01:57:41pjoafter clicking it nothing is displayed to respond it is this ok ?
01:57:42midkayafruff23, i use tagcache every day, and i load it to ram.
01:57:51midkaypjo, it would splash "updating in background" and then update.
01:58:44afruff23whcih iPod do you use?
01:59:15afruff23I'm just wodnering if it draisn your battery a lot loaded to RAM
01:59:29afruff23currently I load it to disk with dircache on my X5L
01:59:31midkaythe only way it would affect battery is slighly less RAM..
01:59:45midkayand it's so unnoticeably small of a hit that it's probably maybe a few minutes in total..
01:59:55midkayworth the quick navigation.
02:00:12afruff23is it jsut faster on booting or navigationa s well?
02:00:13yurikshow do I start rockdoom?
02:00:23afruff23read the guide
02:00:27pjoi clicked a wrong menu and I am now in a directry of photos, how do I exit from here ?
02:00:36midkayafruff23, faster always, instant browsing, like dircache, only with the tag browser.
02:00:45midkaypjo, um, the left button?
02:00:47yuriksok, it says it should be on the plugin list, but it isn't
02:01:05midkayit's called 'doom', not 'rockdoom', in the plugins browser.
02:01:17pjoleft button moves the photo
02:01:59afruff23you mean there's nothing called Doom in your plugins list?
02:02:07afruff23how old is your build?
02:02:17yuriksit's the latest
02:02:20preglowexcuse me
02:02:24yuriksI installed it today
02:02:25preglowI must confess
02:02:27preglowI am a homosexual
02:02:29afruff23which model?
02:02:31preglowplease dont hate me
02:02:33yuriksmini 2g
02:02:43afruff23it doesn't work on it
02:02:52midkaywe love you preglow.
02:03:00preglowmidkay: if you are male, I love you too
02:03:15midkayin fact i am.
02:03:29preglowthen let us make sweet love
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02:03:40yuriksmeh, sucks to no have doom =(
02:03:40pjopls help me to exit from photo viewer
02:03:51scorchehow dare tehy have this kind of convo without me?!?
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02:04:00midkaybagawk, nice dramatic effect..
02:04:04afruff23I don't knwo about photo iPod but on the X5 it's a tap of the power button
02:04:10bagawkplease not here
02:04:18afruff23it's probably menu+ select for you
02:04:22yurikswhat about hold switchage?
02:04:25pjoi do not have power button in Photo
02:04:33bagawkplase /query each other :)
02:04:36bagawknot here
02:04:41midkaypreglow, um, yeah, are you alright? :)
02:04:42pjohold switch nothing happens
02:04:42afruff23then try menu+select
02:04:56yuriksmeh, should the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on?
02:05:00midkaybagawk, um.. calm down.. /query yourself if you don't wanna be in the channel :)
02:05:06preglowmidkay: finally I have taken the step. I am now out of the closet. My life is complete
02:05:15midkaythis is exactly what #rockbox was created for!
02:05:25pjomenu + center worked ! thanks
02:05:38yuriksI had to use it to exit form a plugin =P
02:05:45preglowtoday I took sthe step. I kissed the boy I love. He his now in kindergarten
02:06:02afruff23are you trying to scare me away
02:06:02preglowhis mother is a tramp
02:06:08afruff23you know you can just ask ;)
02:06:08midkaysomeone's drunk-ish or something..
02:06:26preglowmidkay: hahah, its his friend, I am afraid
02:06:32preglowI was hoping to slander him
02:06:40preglowregrettably he is standing besides me laughing
02:06:41preglowall in vain..
02:06:42midkaypreglow, cute :)
02:06:46preglow(and yes, we are drunk)
02:06:52midkaytell him i love crossfeedv2 please.
02:06:56bagawkwe have a petifile in here
02:06:58bagawkmy god
02:07:01midkaypetifile? HAHA.
02:07:14afruff23is that some sort of baby file?
02:07:22midkaynot even google attempts to correct that..
02:07:30scorchemore like pederasty!
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02:08:01afruff23anybody see SNL last week?
02:08:03midkaygood job.
02:08:05bagawkthank you.
02:08:14yuriksshould the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on?
02:08:23bagawkpreglow: seriously just kill yourself now
02:08:49bagawkpreglow: kindergarten my god
02:08:55preglowbagawk: your mother was a hamster
02:09:04midkaybagawk, goddamn you're funny..
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02:09:25bagawkholy fuck
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02:09:28pjoi am trying to chnage font size, Browse Fonts, nothing happens
02:09:33preglowmidkay: I relayed the message
02:09:41afruff23they are not included anmore with the builds
02:09:47afruff23go to daily build apge and downlaod
02:09:52scorchespeaking of kindergarten, im hungry...
02:09:53midkaypreglow, great, he's probably too drunk to respond, but yay. :)
02:10:07afruff23put it in the .rockbox folder
02:10:07preglowmidkay: haha, he seems quite entertained
02:10:28midkayalso. tell him that..
02:10:30pjowhen the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ?
02:10:41midkayalthough i said thanks for the pitch screen suggestions, i deep down really hated him for complaining.
02:10:48midkayhopefully he's too drunk to remember that tomorrow, but..
02:11:10preglowhe knows that, ghe sats
02:11:20midkaygreat. thanks!
02:14:07preglowHE CALLED ME AWOMAN
02:14:16midkaybut you are!
02:14:22pjowhen the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ?
02:14:33pjoor how do I know ?
02:14:56pjocan I restart now ?
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02:15:45afruff23even if it didn't finish, then it will just continue from where it left off
02:16:03midkayjust look for the harddrive activity light.
02:16:16midkayin the upper right corner of the lcd, on the status bar, next to the click.
02:16:23midkaywhen it's not visible, it's done..
02:16:25pjothere is no harddisk activity light on Photo
02:16:33preglowmidkay: i'm kiund of insensitive when it comes to how i think thinss should be... i'm a bastard
02:16:34midkayyes there is, it's a rockbox icon.
02:16:37afruff23he said look on the LCD
02:16:42preglowi'll just retire until i can type gagain
02:16:44midkaypreglow, haha. i was kidding! ;)
02:16:57pjothere is a clock there
02:17:02midkayafruff23, in all fairness, he may have begun typing after he saw "light"..
02:17:13midkaypjo, and to the right of it.. blank space or an icon?
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02:19:40pjoafter rebooting, i do not see this:
02:19:42pjoYou may need to increase the value of the "Max files in dir browser" setting (General Settings -> System -> Limits) in order to view long lists of tracks in the ID3 database browser.
02:20:19pjonow ok
02:20:23preglowmidkay: and now that i was hoping for a juicy conflict!!1
02:20:37midkaywell. hm.
02:20:42midkayi think you moaned about other things too.
02:20:45midkaybut anyways.
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02:21:02midkaypjo, did you have a question?
02:22:24afruff23pjo, now you have to switch view to ID3 database
02:22:55pjoi did
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02:23:18pjonow playing mp3 but it says Codec failure 64K
02:23:28pjomp3 crc
02:24:24afruff23oh that sucks, that happened to me before in the Uisimulator
02:24:29afruff23I don't know how to fix it
02:24:36afruff23but then again I'm a newb
02:24:56scottderIs it said i want to set up the simulator just to tinker with my WPS :)
02:25:08midkayif you mean sad, yes.
02:25:23scottderJust checkin...
02:25:45afruff23how is it sad, it really has no other use
02:25:59midkayafruff23, hahaha..
02:26:14midkayscottder, somewhat kidding, although testing on-device is not that hard..
02:26:31pjocan RockBox play AAC ?
02:26:35afruff23it is if your debugging code
02:26:50midkayafruff23, right, which is why 'it really has no other use' was pretty funny.
02:26:52afruff23and you ahve to keep transferring files everytime you change soemthing
02:27:04midkayyou don't have to be debugging, just some people prefer it instead of testing on device each time.
02:27:21midkayafruff23, well, leave your WPS open in an editor, and just add something, save, disconnect, test, reconnect, repeat..
02:27:46afruff23yeah, connecting and reconnecting is quite annoying for me
02:27:58midkaythen use the sim. it's not for some people..
02:28:28afruff23however, you do need an actual player to test for certain things
02:28:38pjomp3 192K plays but it stops, not continuous
02:28:41afruff23i.e. WPSes designed to work in certain light conditions and in the car
02:28:53midkaypjo, stuttering is a result of eq or peak meters usually.
02:29:11afruff23apply a wps without a peak meter
02:29:41pjoso how shall I set it ?
02:29:48midkayi wonder why people tend to go for the peak meter suggestion when eq is more capable of killing playback..
02:29:52pjowhat is wps pls ?
02:29:59midkaydisable EQ, pjo, or use only one or two bands.
02:30:38afruff23why does the EQ have such a big impact? on the OF, it didn't make that much an impact on speed
02:31:11midkayon the OF?
02:31:17afruff23original firmware
02:31:20sharpewoo! parked less than an inch away from the garage door!
02:31:25midkayguess what? rockbox isn't the original firmware.
02:31:55afruff23I know that....I was just wodnerign why rockbox's EQ impacts performance so much greater than the OF's EQ
02:31:59pjoi disabled EQ I think but it still stutter
02:32:23midkayafruff23, because rockbox is not optimized.
02:32:30midkaythe same reason peak meters do it.
02:32:38midkaycodecs haven't been worked on long enough..
02:32:57midkaypjo, how about when you sit in the main menu?
02:32:59midkaydoes it stutter then?
02:33:30pjocan I disable peak meter ?
02:33:47pjomain manu has no sound
02:34:25afruff23Yes, the easiest way to do ti without a computer is to jsut apply another WPS
02:34:42midkayno sound?
02:34:47pjopls tell me what WPS is
02:34:48midkayplay a song, then press menu, and sit there.
02:36:07pjo256K aac it says codec error but at the menu no stutter !
02:36:31midkayis there a peak meter?
02:36:41pjonot in the menu
02:36:42midkayaac simply doesn't work well. barely at all.
02:36:49midkayi mean at the WPS. the while playing screen.
02:36:57midkaythat displays track info and stuff.
02:37:48sharpemidkay, guess what!
02:38:03afruff23you parked an inch from the garage door?
02:38:06sharpei think i may have a neurological problem!
02:38:13sharpethat too.
02:38:54pjoi see peak meter in the player how do i disable peak meter because it sttuter with mp3 128K
02:39:57midkaychoose a new theme from Browse Themes in the menu.
02:40:02afruff23what year was that video recorded?
02:40:12midkaywindows 98, so probably 97-ish?
02:40:38afruff23that BSOD seemed fake
02:40:42afruff23it came in from the side
02:40:46afruff23didn't it?
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02:41:08midkayit did, but that's no reason to think it's fake..
02:41:19midkaymaybe that's not an actual live feed, maybe tv-edited or something..
02:41:39afruff23the BSOD doesn't normally do that though
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02:42:24pjocan I bookmark when I want to interrupt playing ?
02:42:37midkayafruff23, it NEVER does that. can you not read?
02:42:57midkaypjo, you mean bookmark when you stop playing a file?
02:43:08afruff23so the BSOD never did come up at the event , correct?
02:43:16midkayyes, yes, it's all fake, hahaha.
02:43:42midkaybecause when editing video, you HAVE to make things slide in from the left.
02:43:49midkayyou couldn't just make them appear realistically.
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02:43:56midkayclearly someone was trying to fool you.
02:44:20pjomidkay: yes
02:44:30afruff23no, seriously
02:44:33midkaypjo, check general settings - bookmarking - bookmark on stop.
02:44:56midkayafruff23, read my message, come up with your own reasoning, or believe it's fake.
02:45:10afruff23if it's fake, then what caused such a big commotion?
02:45:34midkayyou're advocating that it's fake, not me. from your POV, the sound could be added in too, could it not?
02:45:58afruff23I still don't get why it came in from the rihgt?
02:46:19midkaythe video doesn't explain why, clearly.
02:46:22midkayso you have to assume.
02:46:44afruff23maybe it was like that in the win 98 beta
02:46:51midkayvery possible.
02:46:54midkaymaybe it was edited for tv.
02:46:56midkaymaybe it was fake.
02:47:02midkayonly maybes, no definite answer.
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02:47:52pjoat the play screen why it says no ID3 tag ?
02:48:48afruff23in HAlo 2, Bungie included a BSOD
02:48:56afruff23note: Bungie is owned by MS
02:49:51afruff23pjo, because you didn't tag it correctly
02:50:10afruff23see this is where using tagcache can bite you in the arse
02:50:28afruff23you can't find untagged files easily
02:50:40pjoi did not tag it some tools did
02:50:53pjoit happenes for AAC file not mp3
02:51:06afruff23aac file tags are not supported
02:51:26pjowill AAC playing will be improved anytime soon ?
02:52:03PaulJamnot until the feature freeze is over i believe
02:52:09afruff23ummm.....that's like asking if CHina will become completely democratic
02:52:17afruff23evetnually but not definitely
02:52:34pjooh so to play aac i should use Apple firmware ?
02:52:51afruff23or rerip the CD into some other format
02:52:59whatboutbobhey folks, are ff/rw issues with long wavs a known prob on H1xx's? can't see anything specific in flyspray...but i may have missed it...
02:53:36pjoi have so much music in AAC so .......
02:54:04midkayso rockbox isn't for you at the moment.
02:54:20pjodoes DOOM for RockBox have sound effect ?
02:54:28midkaywhatboutbob, hm, one of the critical swcodec playback bugs is "LONG rewinds still may not be handled quite right"..
02:54:35midkayyes, it does.
02:54:53pjooh then this will be a great reason to use RockBox
02:55:16midkayfor doom?
02:55:34afruff23no...for doom sound effects!!
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02:56:01pjodoom sound effect I meant
02:56:15afruff23you didn't say anything wrong
02:56:17whatboutbobmidkay: bah, so i am just blind. thanks.
02:56:31midkaywhatboutbob, nah, far from it :)
02:56:36afruff23it's jsut that I don't really see the pint of needing sound effects for a simple game like Doom
02:56:57pjocan I charge battery while using RockBox ?
02:56:58midkayyou don't, others do..
02:57:09midkaypjo, yes, hold menu button while you insert the charger.
02:57:12afruff23does dircache only work on iriver players
02:57:18afruff23or is the manual otudated?
02:57:23midkayno, iriver, iaudio, ipod.
02:58:18afruff23for max files in dir browser, does it count ALL files or just the files in the current folder?
02:58:53midkayfiles in the folder, of course.
02:59:03afruff23if it counts just the files in the current folder, then does it count recursively?
02:59:10afruff23does it ocunt a folder as a file?
02:59:18midkay.. the number of entries visible in any given folder.
02:59:52afruff23OH, Visible
03:00:07afruff23so you could have thousands of non-music files in a folder
03:00:14afruff23and set display to music
03:00:22afruff23and it'd work
03:00:24midkayyes, that should work.
03:00:41pjoI found that displaying menu enables you to enjoy unstuttered 256K AAc !
03:01:04pjoso it is an issue on processing power
03:01:14pjobut it does not work always
03:01:23afruff23maybe you can still view the WPS if you disable the peakmeter
03:01:24pjoand coding
03:01:54pjoyest that is what I want to know how to disable peak level meter for the box theme !
03:03:38pjocan I do it ?
03:04:11afruff23go to browse themes and choose a theme
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03:04:54pjoother question: I am trying to make the fonts larger,
03:05:03pjoi selected box
03:06:23Jd|unihey all.. i need help with this damn assingment again.. i have a file with lines in the form "name:mark", i somehow havew to use sort to sort it by mark (descending) and then by name.. can any1 help?
03:09:04pjowhen plug in power, Menu button does not work anymore it automatically reboot !
03:09:05afruff23open the default .wps file
03:09:09afruff23and remove the line %pm
03:09:15afruff23this removes the peakmeter
03:09:28afruff23if youw ant to keep the default the wps
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03:10:21infamisWhat is car mode for?
03:10:25infamisand party mode?
03:10:36infamismanual does not include their definitions
03:10:44pjoh ow do I access to wps file ?
03:11:06infamisfrom the menu
03:11:34pjoi am at the top menu
03:11:54infamisgeneral settings/display/browse .wps files
03:11:59infamisor browse themes from top
03:12:59pjobrowse .wps files show three items
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03:13:13pjoand selected the box but editor did not come up
03:14:28infamistry to play a file & see if the view has changed
03:14:39infamisyou can't tell from the browse .wps files
03:14:44*XavierGr is confused (or an idiot that can't get the joke)!!
03:14:53XavierGrWhat happened to preglow?
03:15:19infamishe quit
03:15:26infamisonce I joined
03:16:43pjoit is now default rockbox
03:17:24pjohow do I edit wps pls ?
03:17:39XavierGropen them in notepad
03:17:48infamison the pc
03:17:55PaulJamyou can edit it on the pc with a texteditor
03:17:56pjoyou mean with Windows ?
03:18:19infamisisn't there a text editor in rb?
03:18:37pjoso why I am using "Browse .wps files" ?
03:18:54PaulJami had bad experiences with the rockbox texteditor
03:19:09infamispjo, I thought you were trying to change the curent wps
03:19:11pjopls tell me how to use it
03:19:22infamisuse what?
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03:19:37pjoi want to delete peak meter in the default wps
03:19:51pjouse editor in rockbox
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03:22:27infamisedit the .wps on your pc
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03:23:36Jd|uniPaulJam: what bad experiences did u have witht he rb text editor?
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03:25:23infamisyou can't open files
03:26:16Jd|uniyou cant open files?
03:26:37infamisnot that I know of
03:27:18Jd|uniyou talking about the etxt editor?
03:27:43Jd|uniits used as a vierwer... u can open any file with it from open with
03:28:02PaulJamJd|uni: it removed empty lines, inserted a newline after 128 characters and it added junk at the end of the file
03:28:25infamisit's an editor, as you can type stuff or whatever
03:28:28jpmahalaHow do you save a file in the text editor?
03:28:29Jd|unihopefulyl thats all fixe.d. as soon as some1 commits my patch
03:28:43jpmahalaI haven't found that in the documentation.
03:28:49Jd|unijpmahala: exit it and it will ask if u want to save
03:29:06infamishit on & choose 'save changes' or 'save as...'
03:29:15jpmahalaHow to exit?
03:29:38Jd|uniwhat player?
03:29:48pjoCan I comment out the %pm line ? with what ?
03:29:54infamishit the on button
03:29:59infamispjo #
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03:30:29Jd|union?? jpmahala: menu and select
03:30:47jpmahalaThanks. I'll try it out.
03:31:18infamisor off button
03:35:01infamisor power button
03:38:30***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:38:41Jd|uni <- any1 else not like the idea of this??
03:40:16PaulJamJd|uni: i just tried your patch, most of the problems are solved, but it still adds a linebreak after 127 characters
03:41:37Jd|unithat makes sense... max line length is 127chars.. i tinhk its time to redesign the editor's internals
03:44:56pjodeleting peak meter , now 192K MP3 is played ok with wps !
03:45:35pjobut no with AAc 256K
03:46:28pjonow pls tell me if i can enlarge fonts
03:47:42afruff23You can't enlarge fonts
03:47:48afruff23instead you have to choose a larger font
03:47:49pjooh pitty
03:48:09pjohow can I choose larger font ?
03:48:15afruff23go to browse fonts
03:48:30pjoi did but nothing is displayed
03:48:47afruff23you need to downlaod fotns from the daily build page on
03:48:59afruff23put the folder inside the ".rockbox" folder
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04:05:33Falco98hey all
04:05:36afruff23I just got kicked out of a hardware IRC channel because I did not want to buy what a user suggested
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04:06:04afruff23I can't find any other IRC channels abotu cell phone chargers
04:06:58Falco98Jd|uni: you around?
04:07:06Falco98ahh heh
04:07:20Falco98sorry bout earlier, i accidentally left myself logged in when i went off for dinner
04:07:23Falco98i got your message
04:07:42Falco98i agree with you about using "direction" anyway, as long as your tests always catch it ;-)
04:08:00Jd|uniim pretty sure it does..
04:08:12Jd|unii tihnk (and hope) its finally finished
04:08:28Falco98yeah.. i haven't been able to break it ever since i figured out how to really fix it
04:08:39Falco98did you end up using my code for that one line?
04:09:09Falco98replacing i+=direction with if(direction= -1) i++
04:09:40Falco98(and if direction is 1, don't count up at all)
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04:10:09Jd|unii was half asleep this morning and thinking that you was complety wrong.. but i wokrd dit through properly and figured u were right.. so i appologise
04:10:12Falco98taht was a fucker to debug
04:10:25mitch`just a quick question
04:10:28Falco98no prob, don't worry bout it
04:10:37Falco98mitch`: what's your ??
04:10:54mitch`to restore my ipod to default settings, i can use ipodpatcher.exe and the bootpartition.bin ?
04:11:16Jd|unisettings ro default firmware?
04:11:19Falco98do you want to restore it fully? or just use the regular ipod software sometimes?
04:11:52mitch`well, i fooled around a bit with it, using various softwares to load music on my ipod other than itunes
04:12:03pjonow trying DOOM
04:12:05pjoreate a directory called /games/doom/ on your player (e.g. F:\games\doom\ for Windows users - where F: is the drive letter for your DAP) and save the following file in that directory:
04:12:09pjoi did so
04:12:25pjoCopy the Doom wad(s) you wish to play into that directory and start Doom. The wads doom looks for are:
04:12:39pjowhen doom plugin is executed, error no wad
04:12:55pjomissing base wad
04:13:02mitch`well, i just want to know in fact if ipod updater restore the ipod to factory defaults state or if the rockbox bootloader is still here ?
04:13:20Falco98mitch': what softwares did you use to load music? (why not copy the files directly btw?)
04:13:32PaulJampjo: copy the rockdoom.wad into /games/doom/
04:13:44Jd|unipjo: have u got prboom.wad AND the game wad u want to play in the /games/doom folder?
04:13:44pjoi think i did
04:13:51mitch`of course when using rockbox i load my music directly with the explorer
04:13:54Jd|uniye, woops, rockdoom, not prboom
04:13:56infamisdoom doesn't work
04:14:05mitch`but i still use the default firmware for everyday use
04:14:07pjodoom does not work ?
04:14:10mitch`for the battery life
04:14:21mitch`so i tried foo_pod
04:14:25Jd|unidoes rockbox have memcpy?
04:14:25afruff23infamis, you don't know what you're talking about
04:14:35mitch`but it ultimately destroyed my ipod database
04:14:42mitch`so i did an ipod updater
04:14:43Falco98i believe, from what i've heard, the restore function wipes it completely clean :-P
04:14:56mitch`ok =)
04:15:00pjodoom1.wad also copied
04:15:03infamisafruff23, well why don't you fill me in
04:15:11mitch`so i have to redo the whole rockbox bootloader thing again =)
04:15:15afruff23doom does work
04:15:27mitch`(not that it takes much time)
04:15:29pjoi did not unzip it
04:15:50PaulJamthen unzip it
04:15:53pjoshall I unzip it ?
04:16:06Falco98well i originally asked cuz you can boot into the ipod software even with rockbox on there...
04:16:16mitch`yeah i know
04:16:49infamisafruff23, doom does not work
04:16:50mitch`it's just that i didn't know that ipod updater would even erase the bootloader
04:17:23infamisit's had the same problem since apr 16
04:17:27mitch`that's why i guess the ipodpatcher.exe restore thingy allow you to keep everything but the bootloader
04:17:28afruff23infamis, what player do you have
04:17:31infamisof starting graphics engine
04:17:32mitch`correct me if i'm wrong =)
04:17:39infamisthe x5
04:18:00afruff23I have the X5 as well, but I ahven't put doom on it
04:18:08afruff23but I know for a fact it works on other players
04:18:18infamislol and I don't know what I'm talking about
04:18:26infamisyes, it may work on some
04:18:34afruff23soem people on iaudiophile claim they got doom to work after following all of the instructions
04:18:41afruff23then opening metronome
04:18:44afruff23then openiong doom
04:19:09infamismetronome, what's that got to do with anything?
04:19:17infamisor what does it fix?
04:19:32Falco98Jd|uni: you have an updated version of the patch?
04:19:43afruff23I don't know what it does exactly to fix , but it jsut works
04:19:51Jd|uniyes, but i cant upload it from uni...
04:20:14infamiswell, just tried opening metronome & it still didn't work
04:20:38afruff23you probably didn't follow the instructions verbatim
04:21:04infamisIf I hadn't of followed instructions verbatim, it would've never worked
04:21:15Falco98can you patch the whole .patch file? i can make a new file from here and put it on flyspray
04:21:29infamisThe apr 17+ commits broke it; it worked prior to
04:22:08afruff23well, anyways your statement was doom doesn't work which is fasl
04:22:17Jd|uniFalco98: the only change is that (if direction ==-1) i++; line
04:22:25Falco98oh yeah, of course
04:22:30infamisI disagree...if it works on some but not all, I say it doesn't work
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04:22:39Falco98and i've already added that to the patch :-P
04:22:43BratnebarbraHi all!
04:22:55afruff23except that the guy asking has an iPod photo
04:23:00Bratnebarbrai was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine,
04:23:15Bratnebarbra<midk> it's the nick stealer!
04:23:19pjodoom is working thanks but how do i quit after selecting quit ?
04:23:36midkayBratnebarbra, um, hi, what?
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04:24:14infamisok, but my statement still holds imo
04:24:29mitch`another quick question :x, if i use ipodpatcher.exe to restore the bootpartition.bin, do i have to do something about the broadcom chipset too ? (i have a 5g)
04:24:41Bratnebarbrai was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine,
04:25:13midkaycreate a nick stealer?
04:25:17infamiswhat does your friend want to do
04:25:19PaulJamBratnebarbra: i believe this is not the right channel for your question
04:25:24midkayi think i was referring to a person who may have once used my nick or something.
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04:26:01pjothanks all I must see you later so long
04:26:04afruff23I'm not afruff23, I'm Steve Jobs
04:26:13afruff23here to convert you back to Apple FW!!!
04:26:16Jd|uniBratnebarbra: if they have taken your nick that is registered u can kill them, but u need to be registered and have the password
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04:28:00Bratnebarbrathats not what i meant jd,
04:28:20Jd|uniwell then bugger off.. because we rnt helping u steal some1 elses nick
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04:29:50Falco98haha that was easy then
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04:30:53afruff23why is adobe reader so crappy
04:31:00sharpeit loves you.
04:31:02afruff23everything it does takes forever
04:31:12midkayor maybe your pc *sucks*!
04:31:17midkaynight sharpiewarpie.
04:31:34afruff23downlaoding it took abotu 4 minutes
04:31:49afruff23why is it so huge?(25 mb)
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04:32:35afruff23Why can't people stop using .pdf and just use soem sort of nicely formatted HTML?
04:33:16Jd|unicoz html sux
04:33:24Jd|unipdf is teh shit! :S
04:35:21afruff23plz tell me that was sarcasm
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04:37:12afruff23am I seeign things or does that say 3 amps?
04:37:25afruff23or is it point 3 amps(0.3)?
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04:38:50Sinbiosthat's 0.3 amps
04:38:54DMJCor if I download/update my firmware will midi/sid play?
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05:32:17Doomedy is it that only the US H3x0 has a clock
05:35:08bagawkYou would have to ask iriver :)
05:35:24bagawkMy wild guess would be to keep price lower
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06:10:45luridenhi, is there a way to set the retail OS as the default OS and be able to reboot into Rockbox as a secondary OS? like rebooting and holding a button go to into Rockbox? I'm on a 5G
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06:18:54BHSPitMonkey_I love the patience people exercise with their questions these days
06:19:43scottderHe waited a WHOLE 2 minutes...geez
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08:02:38JdGordonhell yeah ! :D
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08:27:18JdGordonare the compiled binaries really small on the archos's?
08:27:23JdGordonfor plugins i mean
08:27:36JdGordoncoz im wondering how they fit in the plugin buffer?
08:28:15amiconnThey are approx. the same size as on other targets
08:28:40*JdGordon just realised i was looking at the compiled for the sim.. not target..
08:28:46amiconnSH1 code is generally a bit smaller than coldfire. Arm is again a bit larger
08:29:15JdGordonand i386 is HUGE compared to all...
08:29:27amiconnE.g. text_editor.rock is 2320 bytes for recorder
08:29:59amiconnSim plugins are way larger because they're (1) shared objects (dlls on windows) and (2) contain debug symbols
08:30:13JdGordonok, that makes sense then
08:30:35JdGordoni was a bit worried coz i looked and it was 32K not realising i was in the sim dir and not the target dir
08:31:53JdGordonamiconn: did u get my msg from ages ago?
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08:55:57hardeepLinusN: I can reproduce the pause from playlist viewer when holding on to page up at first track
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08:59:25LinusNhardeep: weird, i can't
08:59:36LinusNhowever, i found another bug when trying
09:00:32*amiconn noticed that we could apply the cpu saving measure from the remote lcd driver to the H300 main lcd driver as well
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09:00:56amiconnHowever, the lcd power handling is done in lcd-h300.c while the scroll thread resides in lcd-16bit.c
09:01:10amiconnWe need a nice way to handle this...
09:01:28migidymackhow can i seek through a track on ipod 5g rockbox?
09:02:23theli_uamigidymack, same way as in retail firmware?
09:03:15theli_uamigidymack, i'm sure both manual and wiki docs describe rockbox controls.. you should read them :)
09:04:22hardeepLinusN: i think your playlist has to have more then 200 entries and i have an idea where the problem is... checking
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09:05:04migidymackI definatly read the doc and wiki.. and searched through the forums
09:05:15migidymackno mention on how to seek
09:06:30JdGordonis it really not good to do memcpy() over itself? i.e memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) ?
09:08:27peturthe result of memcopy with overlapping regions is normally 'undefined'
09:08:32JdGordonso no? i tested it and it looked ok, but i may not have tested it with unworkable numbers
09:08:36markunmigidymack: I think you are right, strange..
09:08:48peturdepends on implementation but you better don't depend on that ;)
09:09:14scorcheJdGordon: ... memcpy is string.h, isn't it?
09:09:26JdGordoni dunno..
09:09:46*scorche googles to make sure he didn't actually say something wrong
09:09:48peturI think memcpy is implemented is asm for each target
09:10:22JdGordonok, ill do it properly...
09:10:46JdGordoni.e potentially lots of memcpy() calls to move everything up/down a few chars :'(
09:10:57migidymackanyone here use rb on an ipod5g?
09:11:03theli_ua migidymack, 2.4.1. WPS Key Controls
09:11:13migidymackthx =)
09:11:13theli_uamigidymack, in manual
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09:11:57markuntheli_ua: also just found that :)
09:13:12peturJdGordon: if memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) starts copying [3] to [5], what will be copied from [5] when it reaches that index? Right, your data is gone.
09:13:44LinusNhardeep: it has ~8000 entries
09:13:50JdGordonye, ok, cept its memcpy(dest,src,n) .. :p
09:14:06LinusNhardeep: i see a problem with the playlist chunk reloading
09:14:22peturJdGordon: ok, how do you know it doesn't count backwards?
09:14:34LinusNhold page down, and it will display garbage on the last line when loading from disk
09:14:36pepie34OK guy i have made some modification to have the beeper works on ipodvideo
09:14:41JdGordonu dont.. ok, i get it :D im making my own function :D
09:15:01hardeepLinusN: yeah, i just noticed that too
09:15:08hardeepsame thing happens with page up
09:15:57pepie34Where can i demand write access to cvs?
09:15:59JdGordonmemmove() allows overlapping areas :D
09:16:25peturpepie34: here
09:16:30*amiconn just wanted to point JdGordon to memmove()
09:16:48*JdGordon doesnt have to do it properly :D
09:16:52pepie34I'm quite newbies on RCS
09:17:14pepie34I wanted to send a patch but my new files don't appears in it
09:17:19pepie34How can i do that?
09:17:39peturpepie34: start with putting your patches on the tracker...
09:17:47pepie34(only modification in files
09:18:21pepie34but how can i add files to my local cvs registry so they will appears on the patch?
09:18:35amiconnpetur, JdGordon: The bad thing about memcpy() and overlapping regions is that the result is undefined, it depends on how the memcpy implementation works.
09:18:36pepie34ok thanks
09:18:53peturamiconn: what I said...
09:19:14pepie34markun you need write acces to do so
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09:19:41pepie34 cvs add apps/plugins/beep.c
09:19:41pepie34cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository
09:19:44DMJCjust to inform, didn't have to patch to get midi playback
09:19:51DMJCit's in the daily builds already
09:20:00markunpepie34: cvsdo is not cvs
09:20:06markunread it again
09:20:11pepie34ok :(
09:20:11Mikachucan't you just use cvs diff -N?
09:20:23amiconnIt can either do a forward copy (then overlapping regions work when src > dst), or a backward copy
09:20:24markunMikachu: not without adding the files
09:21:08JdGordonis memmove in rb slow? if the move is potentially 128kb?
09:21:16amiconnmemmove() decides which of the directions to use based on src & dst address
09:21:17JdGordon64kb sorry..
09:21:31LinusNpepie34: use the cvsdo command
09:21:40amiconnNo, memmove() is as fast as memcpy() for those targets where it's implemented in asm
09:21:44LinusNcvsdo add <filename>
09:21:51*JdGordon is redoin text_editor to use 1 really big buffer insread of stupid linked lists..
09:21:52amiconn...with a tiny bit more overhead at the start
09:22:01LinusNit adds it locally without the need for write access
09:22:12amiconn(the decision which copy direction to choose)
09:26:32migidymackfunny,, i asked twice about a seek option (not ff/rw / theres a difference) on a 5g ipod.. and twice i was told to check the manual... once i was even told what section (2.4.1) - not im not saying you guys are wrong.. but you are. it isnt in any of the documentation - does anyone have a clue how to seek on an ipod
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09:26:52Mikachumigidymack: hold down prev/next
09:26:57migidymackthats ff rw
09:27:04migidymackand takes forever for tracks ~1hr
09:27:16Mikachufast forward and rewind ========== seeking
09:27:20migidymackno it isnt
09:27:29migidymackdont tell me i make music for a living
09:27:32migidymackseeking is scrubbing
09:27:40migidymackff / rw is not seeking
09:27:57theli_uamigidymack, ok. there is no seeking
09:28:04migidymackthank you
09:28:15migidymacknext time dont assume the person is too lazy to read
09:28:33peturnext time start with explaining all your definitions
09:28:55theli_ua:) .. petur.. you was faster then me :)
09:29:04Galoisto be fair, the docs say "scan" and don't use the word seek at all
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09:30:01markunmigidymack: how would seeking work? By entering the time you want to seek to?
09:30:24Mikachumigidymack: you can make seeking faster in the settings..
09:30:31migidymackno.. the orig. firmware handled it by allowing you to click select and use the scroll wheel to scrub through the track
09:30:36*Galois imagines something kind of like on winamp where you click the mouse on the slider bar and the song goes there
09:30:54migidymackyeah thats it
09:31:05*Mikachu notes the ipod doesn't come with a mouse
09:31:12migidymackscroll wheel
09:31:12Galoisthe rio karma OF had scroll wheel scrubbing
09:31:28migidymackits implemented in the apple os cant be impossible
09:31:44markunno, not impossible of course. Just not implemented
09:31:55peturmigidymack: put up a feature request then...
09:32:10markunmigidymack: are you any good with c programming?
09:32:11petur(make sure you explain it well :) )
09:32:16JdGordon.. or even better.. but up a patch
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09:32:40migidymackim no good at coding.. i havent done it in 5 or 6 years
09:32:52Mikachuit would be fun to use the wheel for scratching, like in terminatorX
09:33:19migidymackyou would need to use a mute button too.. half of scratching is crossfading
09:34:40peturno, that it is allready :D
09:34:52amiconnhehe, was just about to say that
09:34:57peturipod users are against the scratches
09:34:59amiconn('cept mini)
09:38:30dproMikachu: do you understand the playback system well enough currently to know where to start to add reverse playback ?
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09:39:19JdGordonso u can hear satanic themes in songs?
09:39:25peturdpro: looking for hidden messages in songs?
09:39:26crwlrockbox satan edition
09:39:34*dpro isn't religious
09:39:36*JdGordon wins :D
09:40:27*petur hands JdGordon his medal :)
09:40:28dpropetur: though most music on mtv has the message hidden pretty well ;)
09:40:43dwihnoIs there any other way to create bash scripts that exports variables without having to run them in the "$ . ./"-style?
09:40:50petur"buy from our sponsors" ?
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09:41:34dproexport BLA=123
09:42:48theli_uadwihno, exports outside the script?
09:42:55dwihnotheli_ua: yeah...
09:42:59dwihnotheli_ua: exporting outside of it :)
09:43:18Mikachudwihno: that's not how the world works
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09:43:59amiconnZagor: Yesterday I found that our fat implementation doesn't check the longname component's shortname checksum against the shortname...
09:44:22amiconn(when reading)
09:44:39dwihnoMikachu: So how should one do then? I mean, having stuff in .bash_profile is not a sane idea...
09:44:57theli_uadwihno, why not sane?
09:44:58dwihnoMikachu: the idea is to be able to set quite a number of vars without having to type them manually
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09:45:55dwihnoMikachu: True, but I still don't want to touch .bash_profile
09:46:08Mikachuthen you'll probably have to live with the dots
09:46:15Mikachuyou don't have to type ./ when you use . though
09:46:30pepie34can't login to filespray with my sf account
09:47:00Mikachupepie34: you're supposed to get a password to your email first
09:47:16pepie34yes but when i do a reset pwd as asked
09:47:21dwihnoMikachu: well, living is . is doable.
09:47:28pepie34it told me i'm not a valid user
09:47:41*dwihno hands Mikachu some kanelbullar in gratitude
09:47:50*petur points pepie34 to Zagor
09:48:49markunpepie34: I think you have to register here:
09:48:58markunOr did you do that?
09:49:33pepie34just say to use the same login as in sf
09:49:46pepie34and to do a pwd reset
09:50:18LinusNwhat is your sf account name?
09:51:01markunI don't think the info in the wiki applies to new users, but I might be wrong
09:51:18pepie34I try the other way
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09:52:11LinusNmarkun: you are correct
09:52:20markunI'll change the wiki
09:57:52pepie34sniff no mail confirmation arrive
09:58:11pepie34I think i shall return to bed today
09:58:21markunpepie34: good night
09:58:28markunTalk to Zagor if it still doesn't work tomorrow
09:58:53pepie34CAn I send the patch else wherre?
09:58:56pepie34CAn I send the patch else where?
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10:00:03pepie34WHAT is the time zone of Zagor?
10:00:26hardeephmmmm, buffer loading in playlist viewer is all messed up. will look into it tomorrow.
10:00:34pepie34Zagor are you here?
10:04:54LinusNpepie34: which name did you use when signing up?
10:06:11peturLinusN has the same almighty powers :)
10:08:22pepie34I will be back in 30 min
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10:44:18pepie34LinusN did you see me in the user database?
10:44:58LinusNit turned out that i had all the admin privileges except user administration
10:45:08LinusNi called bjrn, but he was in a meeting
10:45:28LinusNso i'm on the case
10:45:29pepie34CAn i send the patch to somebody?
10:46:08LinusNsure, but it would be better to have it in the tracker, submitted by you
10:46:48pepie34Yes I know
10:47:06pepie34but i can't wait to have other ipod owner to test it
10:47:50linuxstbIf you have any webspace you could just put it there, and mention the URL here.
10:48:01linuxstb(whilst you wait for access to the tracker)
10:48:44linuxstbWhat does the patch do?
10:48:52pepie34I only have a 5G,it should work on any p5020
10:49:04pepie34but i only enable it for 5G
10:49:21pepie344 new functions that use the ipod piezo
10:50:01linuxstbHave you seen the existing piezo-related patch(es) on the tracker?
10:50:08pepie34a no
10:50:23pepie34i have look the code and did not find it
10:50:33pepie34where are they
10:50:42pepie34(fuck a night for nothing)
10:51:04linuxstbI've not looked at it, but searching the patch tracker for "piezo" finds this:
10:52:37pepie34I should definitly return to sleep
10:53:50pepie34At least i learned the rockbox code
10:58:26pepie34the mention patch (5111) should also work on 4G but as i don't have one can't figure out
10:58:55pepie34it does the same as mine so you can forgget about mine
10:59:39pepie34is there someone in charge of the target directory?
10:59:52LinusNwe all are
11:00:01LinusNyou mean firmware/target?
11:00:26pepie34I mean do you intend to move specific drivers here?
11:00:33LinusNyes we do
11:00:57pepie34is it planned for this version or next version?
11:01:13LinusNas soon as the freeze ends, and someone is willing to do the work
11:01:25pepie34I am
11:01:43pepie34but as told before can only to test on 5G ipod
11:01:59LinusNthat's a start
11:04:04linuxstbpepie34: All the ipods are extremely similar - most of the 5g code was written for earlier ipods, and just worked as it was on the 5g. The main differences are the audio codec and LCD.
11:04:58pepie34When i first look at the code i was somehow affraid about the #idef ARCH1 #idef ARCH2
11:05:21pepie34I things the separation really needs to be done
11:05:53pepie34If i can help and do it for ipod i will be glad
11:07:04pepie34linuxstb, i can do the separation for other ipods and try to compile for sure
11:07:21pepie34but can't put my garantee that it is working
11:07:23linuxstbUnless I've missed it, I think we're waiting for a wiki page from LinusN about the target tree.... :)
11:07:38pepie34ok that was my next question
11:07:59LinusNlinuxstb: :-P
11:08:04linuxstbpepie34: We can't ask any more than that... And as I said, most of it is generic for all ipods anyway.
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11:19:10amiconnLinusN: In fact I asked about the path because I intend to move both iriver and archos code over to firmware/target/ gradually
11:19:38*amiconn nags LinusN about the H300 power issue
11:20:00*amiconn wants nearly equal runtime on his H340 as he measured on his H140
11:22:44JdGordonwhat was the measuered times?
11:24:04amiconnH140: 19h 18 min. H340: 11h 2 min
11:24:14amiconnSame conditions
11:24:40JdGordondamn... bit of a diff there...
11:25:32JdGordonstill 11 hours isnt so bad
11:25:57amiconnWell, iriver states 16 hours
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11:28:42linuxstbiriver claims 16 hours for both h1x0 and h3x0?
11:29:32amiconnyes, afaik
11:29:59amiconnh3x0 needs slightly more cpu power for drawing, but then it also has a slightly higher capacity battery
11:30:09amiconn(1400 mAh instead of 1300 mAh)
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11:38:37LinusNamiconn: i was about to work on the h300 issue yesterday night, but the battery was flat, and i fell asleep when it was charging :-)
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11:39:39peturdoes h300 charging still need work?
11:39:49LinusNi dunno
11:39:52*petur wants rockbox on ac power on
11:40:12*amiconn recommends LinusN to let other rockboxes play some music while working on one
11:41:38LinusNi'm having a look at the audio playback code, and i don't fully understand the idea behind swap_codec()
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11:42:42amiconnswap_codec() is for swapping audio & voice codec
11:42:50LinusNthat i know
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11:43:22amiconnThey are essentially the same codecs (except that voice is currently hard-coded to use mpa.codec), so they're linked to the same memory addresses
11:43:28LinusNit's more the logic with the threads that call swap_codec() that i don't understand
11:44:17amiconnAnyway, I still think that it would be better to have a separate voice codec. It would save us a lot of trouble, e.g. with plugins using iram
11:44:34LinusNi think i agree
11:45:00LinusNbut it would still be a problem with the iram
11:45:30LinusNwe need a codec that doesn't need iram
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11:49:17LinusNalso, i don't really get the logic inside swap_codec() either
11:49:58peturbeen away from rockbox too long, have you? :P
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11:50:24LinusNheh, i never really dug into the sw codec stuff
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11:56:36amiconnLinusN: Of course the voice codec wouldn't use iram
11:57:01amiconnI think it would still be fast enough, given that voice is low bitrate, low sample rate, and mono
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11:57:59amiconnCurrently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason)
11:58:26amiconnpreglow said that speex isn't too complex either
11:59:17Mikachui have some pimsleur japanese oggs, they're 20kbps or so, and sounds perfectly alright
11:59:43LinusNspeex looks interesting
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12:00:37Mikachuheh, -u, −−ultra-wideband "Ultra-wideband" (32 kHz) input file
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12:01:16*amiconn should really work on target-specific voice builds
12:03:25amiconnIf I only know how to handle the codepage problem... :(
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12:23:31JdGordonim working out how to deal with the end-of-line strings in the text editor.. do i only need to check for \r\n and \n or does mac have their own version?
12:24:24amiconnmac uses \r
12:26:11JdGordon.. basterds :D
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12:39:54pjoHello !
12:40:39pjoIf anybody sees this pls help, how do I download a patch, f.e.
12:41:52LinusNpjo: patches are source code changes, intended for developers
12:41:54pjoI am trying to install album art patch
12:42:16pjoso to do Album Art how can I do it ?
12:42:40LinusNset up a complete development environment, with cross compiler and all
12:43:06pjooh so there is no plugin available for cover art ?
12:43:37pjobut in that case i need to know how do I download the patch
12:43:56LinusNthere are links to the patch on that page
12:44:05LinusNthe problem isn't downloading the patch
12:44:07pjoyes and I clicked it
12:44:37pjothe URL is for that but I do not understand what to do next
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12:45:42pjothe first one does not tell me how to download it
12:46:12LinusNpjo: is this your first time on the internet?
12:46:31pjono I have been on the net for many many years
12:46:34LinusNclick on the link and select "save as"
12:46:45pjobut my native language is not English
12:47:31LinusNthe thing is, patches are for developers, and they aren't something you just download and install
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12:48:05LinusNyou will need a complete development environment, so you can compile rockbox yourself
12:48:06pjoyou said SDK is required to compile but still need to downl;oad the patch
12:48:30pjoright click does not show the option to download
12:49:08LinusNi right-click on the link, and it allows me to "save link as..."
12:49:31LinusNbut that downloads the html page, i guess
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12:49:44pjoare you doing that on the URL
12:49:47LinusNwhat happens if you left-click?
12:50:01pjojust do not show save as
12:50:27LinusNleft clock on it
12:51:00pjosend me the URL that you are on pls
12:51:44PaulJam_here is the url to the latest version of the patch :
12:51:50linuxstbThat page contains lots of comments, and lots of different versions of the patch - scroll down to near the bottom and click on the link "album_art_v4.03.patch"
12:51:59pjodo you click the FS #3045 ?
12:52:59pjook I found the patch
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13:02:03webguest64only slightly?
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13:02:57amiconnWhy are so few developers actually working on fixing things?
13:03:28amiconnI mean, the freeze is there to concentrate on bug fixing and cleaning up thinga
13:04:22dunnoif I remember correctly it's always a handfull of you that sort bugs during the freeze, same as last time amiconn
13:05:14dunno2.5 was the same, you, Linus, and a few others
13:05:16amiconnBut why????
13:05:25peturmuch of it is playback related, I'm hesitating to learn that part but maybe I should...
13:05:33markunamiconn: I try to fix some bugs
13:05:46*petur has already...
13:06:00peturnot much.... but not much time either :(
13:06:04Pi_my 'excuse' is that I cant fix what i don't understand, and in RB that is alot
13:06:37dunnobut thanks you amiconn and the dedicated dev's for your hard work
13:08:15markunamiconn: XavierGr told me you two agreed on the extra 'remote lcd' submenu in the scrolling menu. We can commit his patch I think
13:09:47markunI was thinking about an option that writes my settings to backup.cfg on shutdown and loads it after the settings version has changed. A lot of people would be happy with that I think.
13:10:09amiconnThat wouldn't be the right way
13:10:10ashridahmarkun: build it into rolo
13:10:28markunamiconn: what would be a better way?
13:10:47amiconnGetting rid of the binary settings sector and store settings in a .cfg file
13:11:02markunI thought you opposed that
13:11:19amiconnIt's just not as simple as switching
13:11:52amiconn(1) We need a way to signal spinups to the app layer, so that the settings can be saved at spinup
13:11:54markunTakes a bit more time to write the settings if we would still do it on every ata access
13:12:10amiconnWe don't do it on every ata access
13:12:25amiconnWe do it on the next ata access, if the settings changed
13:12:36markunyes, that's what I was trying to say
13:13:47markunThe sooner we do this the better, then we can change settings all we want without warning about it all the time
13:13:57amiconn(2) The settings table needs restructuring (include min/ max values), and the loader has to check bounds, and pick the default value if the value in .cfg is out of bounds
13:14:29amiconnThe whole thing needs to be made nice, clean, fact, and compact
13:15:45amiconn*some* settings need to remain binary (e.g. the resume index or the dircache size) - mostly the ones not settable from the ui
13:32:17XavierGrmarkun: nice
13:35:47XavierGrmarkun: also I have 1 more minor bugfix: 5362
13:37:03preglowamiconn: i'm not too sure about speex
13:37:09preglowbut it should be less complex than mp3, for example
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13:43:19LinusNhow about gsm?
13:43:35amiconnJdGordon: Should I check out your fixes for the textviewer, or better wait for the new version?
13:43:56amiconnLinusN: Is there a gpl'd encoder+decoder?
13:44:24LinusNnot sure
13:44:34preglowLinusN: isn't that patented?
13:44:40preglowamiconn: there is a decoder, at least
13:44:58preglowbut i'd rather try speex first since it's open source, and more flexible
13:45:02preglowand probably better quality
13:45:51JdGordonamiconn: ignore them.. im almost done with a completly new version
13:46:55amiconnLinusN, preglow: We would need a command line encoder, and the decoder as a rcokbox codec, at least
13:47:14amiconnSpeex sounds interesting...
13:47:38LinusNthe thing is that most speech codecs are designed with telephony in mind
13:47:56LinusNhaving all sorts of extra fluff like echo cancelling etc
13:48:09preglowin speex that can be disabled easily
13:48:19preglowbut yeah
13:48:23preglowspeex isn't just telephony
13:48:27preglowit's got wideband modes and all
13:48:31preglowyields very nice quality
13:48:40LinusNhow far has the fixed-point port come?
13:48:44preglowit's functional
13:48:54preglowbut some of the components aren't ported yet
13:48:56preglowthe basic modes are
13:52:14Genre9mp3speex would be a nice for a recording option i think...
13:53:49JdGordonthis is safe right?? "if (!fn || (fd = fopen(fn,O_RDONLY))<0)"
13:54:07preglowspeex encoding might be a bit heavy
13:54:29XavierGrehm sorry for interupting I about to fix a bug related to minesweeper and this came to my mind. Do you want to have a minesweeper solver (cheater)? when you press a button it will unveil all boxes. (or this will be a new feature?)
13:54:39Genre9mp3It would be great though for rockbox to support it
13:54:45Paul_The_NerdWell, there's always the postprocessing style encoding.
13:54:59preglowit's an analysis by synthesis system
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13:55:02preglowand they tend to be a bit heavy
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13:55:38peturJdGordon: I don't like combining assignments and tests in one statement
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13:56:40JdGordonpetur: neither.. but it saves code repetition :p
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13:56:55LinusNmarkun: thx
13:56:58peturJdGordon: but it's safe....
13:59:56preglowamiconn: what bitrate are the current voice files?
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14:04:09amiconnpreglow: [11:57:59] <amiconn> Currently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason)
14:04:26amiconnThey are vbr with -B 64
14:05:14preglowwideband mode still has some floating point operations :/
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14:06:03amiconnWould 12kHz be wideband?
14:06:35amiconn(I would like to go back to 16kHz if possible, at least for swcodec. Sounds better)
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14:07:48preglow16khz is wideband
14:08:40amiconnHmm :/
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14:31:08cky1billionfor the x5 i see radio progress at 95%, does this need to be added in a patch
14:31:24cky1billionor is it in current builds?
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14:36:22Genre9mp3Cassandra, here?
14:36:42LinusNcky1billion: it's in a patch
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14:39:52XavierGramiconn: I was wondering how te jpeg reacts when voice is playing and the user loads a big file
14:40:41XavierGrit seems that it will ask if the user want's to stop playback but is this right?
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14:43:52Jungti1234you know 'cooperative buying'?
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14:48:00Jungti1234cooperative purchase = cooperative buying = group buying ??
14:53:45peturJungti1234: sounds like it
14:53:56Jungti1234ok, thanks
14:55:20PaulJam_where are the settings of the viever plugin stored?
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14:58:59theli_uadoes rb->read advance file position?
15:01:23XavierGramiconn: about the jpeg viewer and voice: You said that it is unexpected but I can't think of a solution.
15:01:51XavierGramiconn: we have 2 choices pcm_is_playing and mp3_is_playing but the later will not work for SW targets.
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15:02:27XavierGrhmm let me try with audio status
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15:10:31XavierGrwtf: my Screen on H300 blinks (very little though) whenever I press a button on the filebrowser and have the charger on.
15:11:23LinusNdoes it get brighter or darker?
15:11:28XavierGrah audio_status seems to do the trick for the viewer. amiconn can you validate it?
15:11:50XavierGrLinus: a little bit darker and then (instantly) goes back to normal.
15:12:09XavierGrLinus: though this isn't happening let's say in the jpeg viewer
15:12:30LinusNperhaps it's when the disk spins up?
15:12:34peturnormal if brightness less than 5 and hdd access occurs
15:13:31XavierGrLinus: I have discover that this blinking is very intense when HD is firing up (though not all the time) but this time I don't have a HD spin. I just push up/down.
15:13:37amiconnXavierGr: I think checking audio status is the correct method. Can't test atm
15:14:01XavierGramiconn: ok thanks! Seems to work perfect for my H300.
15:14:32XavierGramiconn: though, if a voice clip is being played it will stop immediatelly and start showing the jpeg.
15:14:44XavierGrthat is the correct behaviour right?
15:15:48XavierGrpetur: I have brightness set to 9.
15:16:27XavierGrLinus: no I was wrong. It gets brighter not darker.
15:16:58XavierGrLinus: because when I let of the button I can see the screen gets a little bit darker.
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15:17:49XavierGrBTW it is USB charged, not the real charger.
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15:18:35XavierGrstrange it just stopped!!!
15:18:39XavierGr(doing it)
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15:20:29XavierGrnow it started again :(
15:20:39XavierGrmaybe because it is low on battery?
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15:29:15XavierGramiconn: do you know if the audio_status will work for HWCODEC targets too?
15:29:45LinusNit should work
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15:29:58XavierGrok then one ifdef less :)
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16:04:52theli_uawhat is the key for 'hold' on ipod sims?
16:10:47XavierGrthe isn't one
16:12:05Genre9mp3actually there isn't one on every sim
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16:15:25Paul_The_NerdWell it _really_ shouldn't be used for anything but 'Hold' anyway.
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16:16:29Falco98hey all
16:16:46theli_uaPaul_The_Nerd, with the lack of keys on iPods it is nice to have it for menus in plugins
16:17:29Paul_The_Nerdtheli_ua: Are you already using Menu+Select for something?
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16:18:42theli_uaPaul_The_Nerd, if all other keys are used for game control menu+select is not very appropriate
16:19:55XavierGrtruth is that iPod sucks at keymapping but there is no other alternative.
16:20:00Paul_The_Nerdtheli_ua: Ideally we want a standardized method of entering the menu. Why is it actually bad that menu+select enters the menu? Do you need to press both at once to play the game?
16:20:08XavierGrRockbox has so many options and shortcuts :)
16:20:41theli_uaPaul_The_Nerd, it is spectrum emulator , yeah for arcade games it is unconvinient menu+select for menu
16:20:44Paul_The_Nerdtheli_ua: You could always try the absolute positioning patch. It allows you to simply touch the wheel, instead of pressing the buttons at the locations, which means you'd never need to _press_ menu during gameplay.
16:21:12theli_uaPaul_The_Nerd, i know of it .. i just waiting for unfreeze and when it gets into cvs
16:21:35Paul_The_Nerdtheli_ua: Well, your emulator's not gonna get into CVS until the freeze is over anyway. If you're thinking of using it, you should go ahead 'n try. ;-)
16:21:57theli_uaPaul_The_Nerd, anyway i think of hold for menu is far more convinient
16:22:00Paul_The_Nerdtheli_ua: Hold should Hold, and _maybe_ also pause emulation. That way people can actually use it, and come back to gameplay simply by turning hold off.
16:22:18theli_uahold off and press 'resume' :)
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16:22:30linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: If hold brings up a menu, then it fulfills your needs as well...
16:22:36Paul_The_NerdOr you could adhere to the standard method of opening a menu in Rockbox plugins.
16:22:58theli_ualinuxstb, that what i'm making - hold popups menu
16:23:15Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I dunno, I think there will be _alot_ of users who get stuck in the plugin, as they did with other ones. It's really beneficial to have a standard key combo for menu or exit of plugins.
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16:23:24linuxstbBut I also think we should only assign HOLD to the menu as a very last resort - when there are absolutely no other options.
16:23:28JdGordonhold should pause.. not show the menu.. unless there is no other button combo available..
16:23:45amiconnMenu should always be menu, and Menu+Select should always be quit
16:23:45Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: And I think there are several other options here. I agree that it can be done, just not necessarily should in this situation. ;-)
16:23:50theli_uaok.. i think i'll make it configurable :D
16:24:03linuxstbamiconn: On ipods, "Menu" is very often "move up"
16:24:20linuxstbWhat other option is there for up?
16:24:21Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Especially with the absolute positioning patch, because with it you get 8 buttons from the scrollwheel, without ever actually _pressing_ buttons. :)
16:24:29amiconnI'd think that's the wheel's purpose
16:25:03linuxstbUsing the wheel for up/down and NEXT/PREV for left/right just doesn't work IMO.
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16:25:34amiconnThis is exactly what we do in the browser, and menus, and...
16:25:46theli_uaamiconn, think of fast arcade game :)
16:25:48linuxstbThink about pacman for example - or any fast action game.
16:26:04*amiconn never tried pacman
16:26:25linuxstbAlso, if you want to keep "up" pressed for a long period, you would have to keep scrolling the wheel like a mad man.
16:26:37*Genre9mp3 looks for Cassandra
16:26:44Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Yeah, Menu and Play presses are necessary for up/down in any realtime game. But I think the absolute positioning patch will solve that, because then you can just rest your finger on them, and actually _press_ menu to bring up the menu
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16:35:29Falco98can anyone tell me real quick exactly where global_settings is defined and worked with?
16:35:41Falco98(i'm experimenting to see if i can add a parameter to the crossfade options)
16:36:26Pi_apps/settings.h (i think)
16:37:40Falco98i'm trying to add an option for "crossfade AND track skip"
16:38:06Falco98whoops.. s/crossfade/shuffle mode/
16:38:59Falco98i switch back and forth between shuffle-all listening and album listening, and want "always" when on shuffle, and also when i manually change tracks, and think it's a tiny bit clunky to need to change c/f settings to do those two things
16:39:41Falco98( )
16:39:52Falco98(thanx pi_ )
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16:41:30*JdGordon is pretty much finished the new and improved rb text editor :D
16:41:40JdGordonand 1 wanna suggest a way to allow the user to split a line in 2?
16:42:31Pi_an axe?
16:42:40JdGordon..if only...
16:42:43linuxstbIf there are no keys left, put it in the menu.
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16:42:59*linuxstb has never tried the text editor...
16:42:59Falco98Jd: you mean like, adding a line return?
16:43:03JdGordoni mean, how do i get them to tell it where to split the line?
16:43:11JdGordonFalco98 wins the pot.. bingo
16:43:16linuxstbDon't you have a cursor?
16:43:22Falco98how bout a combo of 2 buttons?
16:43:29JdGordonit uses the regular vkeyboard for input
16:43:34Pi_cant you have a return key on the keyboard?
16:43:50Paul_The_NerdWouldn't a /n Vkey solve that problem?
16:43:55Falco98or add another special key "under" the kb so you don't have to edit the existing one
16:44:03JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: yes, but tis not there...
16:44:24Paul_The_NerdI mean \n, but yeah
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16:44:33Paul_The_NerdSo why not change the way the VKeyboard works slightly? ;-)
16:44:48JdGordon..not fun :D
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16:45:22linuxstbIs there any way to create a new text file with your editor?
16:45:32JdGordonrun it from the plugins menu
16:45:36linuxstbAh yes, just found it...
16:45:44linuxstbThat plugin list is too long...
16:45:56JdGordonfits on 1 h300 screen...
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16:46:24linuxstbHow? I only get A-M on my 5g with the default font.
16:46:31XavierGrIMHO plugins are so many that should be split to subfolders
16:46:36webguest64why not subdivide it using the same catagories as in the manual...?
16:46:43JdGordonoh woops.. ye, it is long :p
16:46:46*JdGordon is asleep
16:46:51*Falco98 still can't find where global_settings is centrally located
16:47:06JdGordon3 full screens.. not 1 :p
16:47:14whatboutbobdoes anyone *cough* amiconn? *cough* know what voltage is supplied to mics plugged into the h1xx analog in?
16:47:24JdGordonin settings. h or c :p
16:47:32Falco98i've been looking, jd
16:47:33linuxstbFalco98: apps/settings.h (as Pi said...) - "struct user_settings"
16:47:42Falco98ohhh ok
16:47:45PaulJamFalco98: i think it is in
16:48:08Falco98linuxstb was right :)
16:48:10whatboutbobJdG: ya see we'll soon be allowed to tape tv shows for a single viewing legally? :)
16:48:31JdGordonthats the same laws as alowgin cd->mp3 isnt it?
16:48:40JdGordonsingle viewing.. hahaha
16:48:47*JdGordon has 40gb of tv on my hdd :p
16:48:50whatboutbobmust be delete thereafter.
16:48:55linuxstbwhatboutbob: Haven't we been allowed to do that since about 1982? (thanks to Sony IIRC...)
16:49:12whatboutboblinuxstb: aussie law.
16:49:12JdGordonlinuxstb: we r in very bakwards copyright lawed australiaa
16:49:38linuxstbSo VCRs have been illegal all these years?
16:49:49whatboutbobJdG: and we're def not allowed to share with friends...unless they happen to be in our house when we view the recording for the one and only time.
16:50:01JdGordonwell no.. they are about as legal as cd-bruners
16:50:03XavierGrwow US and Australlia are preety weird countries after all :P
16:50:07whatboutbobthere's a pretty funny FAQ on the new copyright law on the attorney general's website about it.
16:50:25whatboutbobXavierGr: THIS is what makes you think that? Man...if you only knew...
16:50:56*Falco98 puzzles over this... user_settings claims crossfade has 3 options, "0=off, 1=shuffle, 2=always"
16:51:11whatboutbobmost of the ipod ads have been promoting breaking the law in australia.
16:51:40Falco98whatboutbob: link to the funny FAQ?
16:51:54whatboutbobeg using Jet to promote the ipod...only problem is they weren't available for digital download. How are you supposed to get their music onto the ipod then...?
16:52:05Falco98linuxstb: i don't understand how user_settings becomes global_settings ...
16:52:30linuxstbuser_settings is the definition of the type. The actual global_settings is declared at the top of settings.c
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16:52:40Falco98whatboutbob: according to the RIAA (recently) the same is true here
16:53:34Falco98whatboutbob: the RIAA is going on raving looney bents these days claiming that people aren't allowed to rip their own CDs to mp3/etc
16:53:46Falco98(they'll stop me over my cold, dead body)
16:54:07CassandraI'm sure they would if they thought they could get away with it.
16:54:34Falco98yeah.. heh
16:54:55Falco98well hopefully in a handful of years their fucking stupid business model will start causing a noticeable turnaround
16:54:56linuxstbFalco98: The comment in the .h file is out of date. It's correct (giving all four options) in the .c file.
16:55:20Falco98linuxstb: cool.. that's what i suspected, but it's surely weird-looking :-P
16:55:20*whatboutbob is looking for that damn AG link...
16:55:44Falco98linuxstb: do you know what-all would be involved in adding a 5th option to the crossfade-enable menu?
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16:56:20linuxstbFalco98: Don't forget that the first number in "crossfade" refers to the number of bits. So if you add a 5th option, you need to change it from 2 to 3 bits (and increment the config block version number).
16:56:21Falco98it wouldn't have to add any functionality since i'm proposing "shuffle and track skip", just playing with the option ##'s wherever they come up
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16:56:52Falco98"config block version number" = ?
16:56:58whatboutbobpoints to:
16:57:38linuxstbFalco98: Search for "CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" in settings.c
16:58:11linuxstbIf you make a change to the settings structure (apart from adding new things at the end), you need to increment that number.
16:58:39Falco98oh so 43 would become 44?
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16:59:33dpassen2Wouldn't it make more sense to have two separate options: Crossfade on Play, and Crossfade on Track Skip? Each with the options Always, Shuffle, Off so all combinations could be easily made.
16:59:50CassandraGrrr- no more f***ing crossfade options.
17:00:00CassandraPersonally I think 1 is too many.
17:00:11Falco98why? there should be "shuffle and track skip"
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17:00:16CassandraAlthough I'm willing to accept some people can't live without it.
17:00:19dpassen2I don't use it, either.
17:00:21Falco98it wouldn't even implement any new functionality
17:00:38Falco98what.. having crossfade at *least* when you manually track skip is really nice
17:00:46dpassen2All I'm suggesting is rather than hardcoding certain options, make all available.
17:00:46Falco98as is when you want to listen to everything shuffled
17:01:05Falco98but for some reason, right now, you can only have one or the other
17:01:22JdGordonoh crap... my brilliant new editor is freeking slow on the target :'(
17:01:24Falco98so if you switch back and forth between shuffle and non-shuffle, you have to go dig around in crossfade settings too
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17:02:02CassandraWell, I guess if it's just a matter of adding another mode to an existing option ....
17:02:16FebsI just experienced an interesting bug on my ipod video. After about 45-50 minutes of playing music, playback paused. The interesting thing is that after stopping and restarting, the L and R channels were reversed.
17:02:22Cassandra(still doesn't stop crossfade being the device of satan's own bottom though.)
17:02:33Falco98i think that would *pretty much* cover the reasonable possible configurations
17:02:40Falco98why the hate?
17:02:46crwlhas anyone thought about implementing multiple-choice selectors as a kind of submenu instead of the current "use only one line" approach?
17:02:48FebsI'm using a build from about a week ago. I'm going to update the build and see if I can replicate this.
17:03:11Falco98crwl: such as checkboxes or the like?
17:03:16whatboutbobfebs: sure you're not just facing the wrong way? :-p
17:03:20Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Never say "the reasonable" about anything. You do that and someone will be in here in two months time saying "What about a third possibility, so we have automatic skips, manual skips, and folder changes, so that it can crossfade between albums but play back the album itself properly"
17:03:54JdGordoncrwl: i tinhk it was brought up on MR...
17:04:01FebsI double-checked to make sure my phones were in the correct ear! But listening to classical music, it's pretty obvious when suddenly the violins are on the right instead of the left.
17:04:20Paul_The_NerdFebs: I've heard reports of the playback pausing recently, but nobody's been able to be very clear about circumstances, whether it happens on the buffer refill, or what. If you can replicate consistently, an actual bug report would be _really_ nice. :) Also, nobody's reported the channel reverse, but it's also possible nobody's noticed.
17:04:24Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: actually something i'm fancy on is "always but in albums" such that manual track changes, shuffle mode, and shuffled-playlist mode (but not "in" shuffle mode) all work OK but albums play back right
17:04:31whatboutbobfebs: just kidding mate...that'd be kinda freaky.
17:04:42crwlFalco98, well, something like that - the current approach just feels like waste of screen estate
17:04:48Falco98but of course that would require almost completely re-writing the crossfade settings, and not something we'll see soon :-P
17:05:03FebsPaul_The_Nerd, I'll try to replicate it.
17:05:04Falco98so for now i'd be set with "shuffle and track skip" just to cover the basics
17:05:07Falco98(and bases)
17:05:20Paul_The_NerdFalco98: The problem is feature bloat. I think two categories: Manual Skip and Auto Skip, with Always/Shuffle/Off being the choices for each is about as far as it should go.
17:05:26CassandraBah. Why does Musicbrainz always suck for classical?
17:05:32crwlwell, not like waste of screen estate, actually conserving it a bit too much :)
17:05:41Genre9mp3Cassandra...did you get my PM?
17:05:45whatboutbobfes: which codec?
17:05:49Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, sometime soon a separation of the features would be best
17:06:05Falco98i have a feature request open for THAT too :-P
17:06:10Paul_The_NerdFebs: It'd be really nice to know specifically if it cares about file format, if it happens on track change or mid-track, and if it occurs when the buffer refills (also, before stopping and resuming playback, check the audio thread, see if it's doing that strange 'go into the negatives' thing)
17:06:15Falco98( )
17:06:33JdGordonis it possible to slow the ui sim to 100% speed of the actual target?
17:06:48*amiconn doesn't understand why someone needs meta-features
17:07:04Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Metafeatures?
17:07:12amiconnWhy combine features which are already present as yet another feature?
17:07:28amiconnOne can always use .cfg file to switch multiple options at once
17:07:42Falco98the current way is kinda like getting a new job and being told "You can have medical benefits OR 401k OR $20/hr OR an hour for lunch OR a shitty schedule OR a bitchy boss OR all of these OR none of these"
17:08:23amiconnNo, it's not. You can use .cfg files
17:08:38Falco98amiconn: i'm talking about crossfade still
17:08:44Paul_The_NerdFalco98: He's right though
17:09:10amiconnThat's what I do to change my unit's setup for different environments.
17:09:13Falco98how would i use a .cfg file to override "shuffle mode" in crossfade?
17:09:15Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Put two simple .cfgs containing the two crossfade setups you like in the root, and when you switch play styles, just click the other one. No navigating menus or anything
17:09:41Paul_The_Nerd.cfgs don't have to have ALL options, so you can simply cut anything you don't want changed from it.
17:10:01Falco98yeah that makes sense.. though it still requires work and extra knowledge on the user's end where just having slightly more flexible options would do it
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17:10:21amiconnFor earphone, I push treble & bass a little, set volume to -35dB, set stereo width to 120%, etc
17:10:24Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Yes, but slightly more flexible options increases binary size, reduces battery life, and adds to the "bloat" complaints. :-P
17:10:59Falco98in some cases i believe we'd find "slightly more flexible options" would reduce bloat
17:11:12Paul_The_NerdCan you make the binary smaller by adding this?
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17:11:26*JdGordon goes rb->cpu_boost(1); mad...
17:11:31*petur goes and removes all settings
17:11:47Falco983 different things could all have on/off switches.. but to include them ALL in the same list of settings (to cover all cases) would take what.. 8 or 9 items?
17:13:25Falco98and change that to 4 things, and the number becomes 16
17:14:14Paul_The_NerdFalco98: But that's not ADDING options. That's just changing the way the options are presented. There's a difference.
17:14:19Falco98(same formula as figuring out the number of possible combinations on a X dimension monitor and Y number of colors :-P except the number is too high to calculate)
17:15:35Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: well i'm adding an option to crossfade-enable, but if the currently possible settings were separated out into separate cases, we'd only need the 2 you described
17:15:47Falco98(and i wouldn't need to bother adding what i propose)
17:16:11JdGordony isnt cpu_boost() defined for the sim? even as a blank?
17:16:42Falco98oh well, time to get off the PC for a few hours (JD isn't it late there?)
17:16:44JdGordon..or maybe it is and my problem is elsewere
17:16:53JdGordonye, 1.15am.. im going to bed soon
17:17:05Falco98ahh ok, not so bad, i was up til 3 last night here :-P
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17:17:16Falco98later all... thanks for the pointers and healthy debate :-P
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17:18:03linuxstbJdGordon: You need to put cpu_boost() inside #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ - which isn't defined for the sim.
17:19:07amiconn...and neither for archos
17:19:33Paul_The_NerdOr new targets you haven't figured out how to change speed properly on yet, as well. :-P
17:21:06linuxstbWhich reminds me, I wonder if a 3g developer will ever show up...
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17:24:22JdGordonwelll that was odd...
17:24:42amiconnlinuxstb: Yup, or even 1g / 2g
17:24:50JdGordonjust tried the editor on my h300, started loading the file then went black and rebooted into iriver!
17:25:05peturhehe, new function
17:25:20JdGordonactually i tinhk it went inot iriver coz ac is in
17:26:49JdGordonoh well.. didnt happen again.. off to flyspray :D
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17:28:59JdGordondone.. ready to be commited...
17:29:12*JdGordon famous last words :p
17:29:14*amiconn thinks there might be a null pointer problem
17:29:34*petur spots an ugly car
17:29:36*amiconn wonders why people don't use the 'catch mem accesses' debug ferature
17:30:05XavierGramiconn: because we don't know about it! :p
17:30:12*JdGordon blames petur... that line i asked about before isnt liked by rb
17:31:23linuxstbXavierGr: I think there's a wiki page....
17:31:31linuxstb(meaning we have no excuse)
17:31:46XavierGrof course
17:32:02XavierGrI am not trying to excuse myself.
17:32:10peturJdGordon: I didn't like it either :)
17:32:22JdGordonbut u said it was ok :D
17:32:36*petur tries to remember
17:32:44amiconnThe wiki page needs updating tho... only talks about archos :/
17:33:29JdGordon[21:56:31] <petur> JdGordon: but it's safe....
17:33:50JdGordonbed time.. fix it in the morning...
17:33:52JdGordongnite all
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18:01:35hardeephmmmm, java being open sourced... Rockbox Java VM anyone? =)
18:03:13amiconnIf you want sth that runs slow like hell on a multi-GHz machine and consumes all available RAM, then choose java
18:03:32lostlogicjava is just as fast as compiled C in most cases
18:03:45lostlogiconce the JVM load overhead is done once at startup.
18:04:03amiconnMy experience is completely different...
18:04:25Genre9mp3Isn't Java on mobile phones, also?
18:04:32amiconnit is
18:04:51lostlogica lot of benchmarks (my own included) state that that is the case. Now if you are using trig functions, or other things that the JVM doesn't have a 1-1 bytecode-to-machine-code mapping on your architecture then it crawls like a dead dog.
18:06:33amiconnMaybe it's not that slow when considering internal functions... but all java gui apps I've seen so far have more or less insane response times
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18:08:27lostlogicahhhh, java gui != java :)
18:08:51lostlogicswing is heinously slow, and most people use the event interface in simply terrible ways...
18:09:05lostlogiccheck out limewire for a pretty clean /quick java GUI
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18:16:19Pi_once again comments appreciated:
18:17:22Paul_The_NerdPi_: What happens if you press Menu when music is playing, but you entered the menu from the filetree?
18:17:42Pi_now it goes back to WPS
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18:17:58Pi_(older version went back to file tree)
18:18:42Paul_The_NerdIt seems to me like it Menu should _just_ close the menu (bringing you back to wherever you entered the menu from) and Play should do what it sounds like you have it doing. Trigger WPS, and resume playback if it's not active.
18:18:58Paul_The_NerdWhat prompted you to always have it enter WPS if music is playing?
18:19:10Pi_that gets a bit more complicated
18:20:33Pi_I supose it was a quick fix, with the old setup pressing play when you entered menu from file tree it returned you to the file tree (after resuming if nesesery)
18:20:58Paul_The_NerdOh, see, Play should never take you back to the filetree
18:21:16Pi_the alternative it to change all the menues from bools to integers
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18:21:27bobTHChi folks !
18:22:12Paul_The_NerdPi_: Wasn't that already suggested?
18:22:53Pi_part of me just wanted to keep things simple the other part was just lazy
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18:25:18bobTHChave u seen the google trend about rockbox ? impressive !
18:25:19Paul_The_NerdPi_: It seems to me that if we're going to make the menu actually seem popup-like, which is a fairly major goal, when it clears you should see what you saw before it. And to keep play consistent it needs to do what you're doing now. So at some point the bool to int thing is probably going to need to happen.
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18:25:45linuxstbPi_: I think you've done exactly the opposite to my suggestion - i.e. you've mixed those two features....
18:25:51MikachubobTHC: can you make it print a number too?
18:27:04*Pi_ hangs head in shame
18:27:06Pi_I think ther are 4 return posibilitys: move up a menu, exit the menu, usb connect and return to WPS
18:27:15Pi_how should i name them?
18:27:21linuxstbPi_: Also, I think lots of people will thank you if you change menus to return an enumeration/integer instead of the currently restrictive bool.
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18:29:09Pi_EXIT, QEXIT, USB and WPS?
18:29:49Paul_The_NerdBACK, EXIT, USB, and PLAY?
18:30:14Paul_The_NerdJust my suggestion.
18:30:27Paul_The_NerdSeeing as I've written less code than you, you may not want to listen. ;-)
18:30:45Mikachuback is a bit ambiguous maybe?
18:30:47Mikachuback to what?
18:31:00Pi_sounds good will attempt it now
18:31:30linuxstbWhy should there be a difference between "exit" and "quick exit" ? The function that opens the menu shouldn't need to know that.
18:31:39Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Back to the previous level. Just back a step.
18:31:42Pi_(i still know verry little C, only learnt fortran and pascal)
18:32:02Pi_exit returns only one place, qexit quits them all
18:32:04Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I think his "Exit" was "Previous level in the menu tree" and "Quick Exit" was "Leave the menus entirely to wherever they were invoked from"
18:32:21Pi_thanks Paul_The_Nerd
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18:40:42linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Ah yes, if a menu calls another menu....
18:47:28Pi_if i am converting all the menus to integers, is ther any point in keeping menu_run?
18:47:32Mikachuisn't that what every submenu does?
18:47:37XavierGrdo we need a minesweeper solver (cheat) like sudoku?
18:47:51XavierGrI have made the code for tetsting purposes
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18:48:03MikachuXavierGr: just click on a mine :P
18:48:30XavierGrthat's now a solver. What I am talking about is a button that will make all blocks transparent
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18:48:34XavierGrnow = not
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18:52:26PaulJamXavierGr: Maybe some kind of "hint" function, that reveals only what is underneath the selected field would be a good idea.
18:53:21XavierGrnow that I think of it I will make good use of the solver when the user loses, just like windows' minesweeper.
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19:02:34XavierGrminesweeper is completely f*cked up... :p
19:02:56XavierGron a note the plugin says e.g 16% mines but that is not correct.
19:03:52XavierGr16 is the possibility for a tile to be a mine when the mine placing function goes over all tiles.
19:04:07XavierGrAFAIK that has nothing to do with '%'
19:04:58markunI fail to see how 16 is not a percentage
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19:05:19XavierGrtiles = height * width
19:05:27amiconnXavierGr: 16% mines is correct
19:06:13amiconnHowever, what you say cannot be correct: a probability can't be above 1
19:06:22XavierGrwell on a 20*16 board 16% = 51 mines
19:06:31amiconnA probability of 1 (== 100%) means 'always'
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19:06:46markunXavierGr: yes, that's correct
19:06:58XavierGrbut the code AFAIK does the following:
19:07:15senabdoes anyone fancy testing out my new WPS for the ipod 5g?
19:07:23XavierGrIt passes through all tiles and with a random function decides if it will be a mine or not.
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19:07:40XavierGr(given higher percentage higher probability)
19:07:46markunXavierGr: yes, with a chance of 16%, so in average 16% will have a mine
19:07:59Mikachuif you're lucky it could be minefree
19:08:07Mikachubut that probably won't happen with a pseudo random function
19:08:11XavierGrso even at 16% a 20*16 board will not have always 51 mines
19:08:40XavierGryes but the plugin says 16% mines
19:08:50XavierGrnot 16% probability
19:09:59XavierGrMikachu: now that i am testing minsweeper at 16% (which is the default) on 4*4 board many time I get no mines
19:10:28amiconnThen that implementation is wrong
19:10:35senabif anyone fancies testing it, see here:
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19:11:57Mikachusenab: you are of course aware that post doesn't say what ipod it's for anywhere?
19:12:06senaboh ye, crap
19:12:22Mikachu(can't test, have nano)
19:12:33Paul_The_NerdIt's 5G I'm guessing from the screenshot
19:12:49*Paul_The_Nerd is not a fan of WPSes designed to look like other media players anyway.
19:12:56Mikachuespecially not wmv :)
19:13:15senabi'm not the greatest fan of wmp myself
19:13:22XavierGrso I ask, do we need specific % on mines (based on board size) and the scatter them across the board randomly, or scan all tiles and use a probability? (which may give no mines, or full of mines)
19:13:23senabbut i like the look of the new version
19:13:39senabi'm a foobar + columns ui person meself
19:14:04Mikachui always rm wmplayer.exe and use mplayer2.exe if i touch a windows machine
19:14:25Mikachui miss the old media player with the green led display
19:14:31XavierGrthe best video player out there (for windows) is Media player classic.
19:14:45amiconn2 new battery test results: h140, no backlight, no disk poweroff: 16:56. player, backlight always: 19:11
19:15:12XavierGrno disk power off?
19:15:19amiconnWith disk poweroff
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19:15:24XavierGrah I thought so
19:15:31amiconnThe test without will be started next, after charging
19:15:49amiconnTest on recorder without disk poweroff should end sometime tonight
19:16:09senabi did a battery test for my 5g last nite and got 5:27
19:16:40Mikachudid you leave it on demo mode in doom?
19:16:51XavierGrsenab: with retail OS how much do you get?
19:16:51senabi was suprised, thought it'd be longer but no luck
19:17:05amiconnbattery runtime of ipod rockbox is rather poor
19:17:12amiconnOnly mini 2g is ok-ish
19:17:17senabdunno, i've never used it, as soon as i got my ipod i put RB on
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19:17:39senabi only ever use retail OS for videos
19:18:07amiconnThe codecs need more optimisation as well as the lcd drawing on colour ipods, and we need to figure out whether ipods can do disk poweroff, and if so, how to use it
19:18:35Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: It's not _bad_ on Nano.
19:18:58linuxstb_senab: Was that a 30GB or 60GB 5g?
19:19:17senabwith the smaller battery :(
19:20:20senabdoes anyone know which wiki page was the one where you can post ur battery_bench logs
19:20:50senabcheers i'll post it now
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19:26:32senabwhich is the most optimized codec on the 5g?
19:27:24Paul_The_NerdDo you mean "fastest decoding" or "best battery life"?
19:27:36senabbest battery life
19:27:46senabi'm guessing mad is the fastest decoding
19:27:50Paul_The_NerdHard to say at the moment.
19:28:00Paul_The_NerdProbably Ogg at the moment though.
19:28:30senabcheers, that my preference of codec anyway
19:28:42Paul_The_NerdRecently our MP3 codec saw some optimizations, but I don't know if that pushed it under Ogg. Also, I can't remember if the new ARM opts for Ogg from our iFP port got committed.
19:28:44amiconnvorbis is faster than mad on ipod atm
19:29:05amiconnac3 is very efficient on both iriver and ipod
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19:30:05senabis it? i'd have thought the 5.1 > 2 channel would take quite a bit of processing power
19:30:09amiconnThe format that uses the least possible cpu power (on ipod) is of course wav - but that spins the disk a lot
19:30:32senabthats the downfall i'm having with flac at the mo
19:30:46senabthe disk spinning is really killing my battery
19:30:46amiconnsenab: There are 2 channel ac3 files. But even with 5.1 -> 2.0 downmix it's very efficient
19:31:32senabye, but i've only ever seen a couple of 2 channel ac3's, whereas i'm seen loads of 5.1
19:32:38Paul_The_NerdThat's the advantage of encoding your own music. You actually get to pick. ;-)
19:32:45*amiconn should prepare his own testset with encodings in all supported formats, with various bitrates/compression levels
19:32:53senabu can encode ac3?
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19:33:22Hydronichi anyone here?
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19:34:07senabamiconn: wouldn't a link to HA suffiuce?
19:34:09Paul_The_Nerdsenab: They've got to be made somehow.
19:34:24Paul_The_NerdHydronic: There are many people here.
19:34:33senabpaul: yeh, but i didn't think there was a publicly available encoder
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19:35:07Hydronici was just curious if there will ever be support (for the ipod 5g) for dsp plugins like those available for winamp
19:35:10amiconnHmm, I thought I could. However, I think there's a program out there that can do it
19:35:44Paul_The_NerdThis maybe?
19:35:56Paul_The_NerdPre-alpha, but they're working on it
19:36:25senabgreat stuff, ive needed a ac3 encoder for a while
19:36:52amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Just googled and found the same project...
19:37:59Paul_The_NerdWell, it seems at least that there's an AC3 encoder in ffmpeg, so that's one right there.
19:38:22senabhav u tried the one in ffmpeg?
19:38:36senabit's not the greatest in quality
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19:38:52Paul_The_Nerdsenab: I thought you said you didn't think there was a publicly available one...
19:39:10senabi know i just tried in after i googled
19:39:24senabsaw it on a HA thread
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19:40:33senabapparently "It's just a basic implementation of teh algorithms with minimal tweaking. Quality is quite bad."
19:40:53Hydronicalso, my ipod resets to default wps and sound settings randomly
19:41:52senabmine does that when i turn it on with the hold switch on
19:41:55Paul_The_NerdHydronic: I doubt it's entirely random. Does it say "Settings Cleared" or does it only ever happen after USB inserts, or what?
19:43:08Hydronicalmost every time after charging via usb and randomly after i turn it off.. ive tried fiddling with the hold button
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19:44:20amiconnac3encode uses the ffmpeg encoder
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19:45:26Hydronicis patch or diff easier to use? i cant figure out either one
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20:10:26amiconnXavierGr: The NULL pointer access in jpeg.rock (described on the ml) would have shown up with the 'catch mem accesses' debug feature on target...
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20:14:31*XavierGr knods
20:15:22XavierGrsomeone better commit the jpeg fix. #5362
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20:24:54Presencecan we specify how long the "volume fade" is when pausing or stopping?
20:26:22PresenceOooor, at the point "pause" is hit, can we update the WPS with the status, instead of updating the WPS status once the volume has completed its fade-out.
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20:59:58Presencethe album cover patches want the album image to be named what? "cover.bmp"?
21:01:06PaulJamit looks first for <albumname>.bmp then for <songname>.bmp and then for cover.bmp
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21:01:33Presenceso be it. thanks!
21:01:50Presenceder. my lame.
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21:23:34Falco98dpassen1: we finally got it working :-P
21:24:08dpassen1Cool, is the latest version posted?
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21:28:12Falco98hold on..
21:28:39Falco98my submitted patch, all the way at the bottom, works nearly 100% as far as i can tell
21:29:22Falco98though if someone feels like eyeing it for possible randomness or usability improvements i'm all ears :-P
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21:38:51Pi_if I have a #define in a header, and then include the .h in another file, do I need to make another #define or can I use the other one?
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21:41:32sharpePi_: i'm pretty sure you can use the other one.
21:42:52Pi_in menu.h i have "#define MENU_ATTACHED_USB -1" and in tree.c i have "#include "menu.h""
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21:43:31Pi_so can i use "MENU_ATTACHED_USB" in tree.c
21:43:52Pi_thanks sharpe, was just clearing it up
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21:54:52sharpefor the keyboard entry, kbd_input(), right?
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22:02:20*petur is bored - got a bunch of old folks visiting ;)
22:04:56sharpeold people?!
22:05:52peturyou know, 60+
22:06:03peturfamily thing
22:06:14sharpeof course
22:06:44sharpenot like you'd randomly have older people in one's home for no reason... especially if they're not family
22:11:32sharpegood mood today...
22:11:42sharpeactually working a bit more on the emulator.
22:16:07sharpeanyone have any more suggestions for the name for the c64 emulator?
22:19:54linuxstb_I guess that means no...
22:20:23sharpeit would seem so.
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22:21:23Paul_The_NerdWhy not just C64.rock?
22:21:41Paul_The_NerdI mean, things don't _need_ fancy names.
22:22:28sharpeit doesn't really matter to me what it's named... just getting the general consensus...
22:22:45sharpealbiet nothing it would seem
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22:28:29crwlhey, has someone noticed, that you can select the Pitch menu with H100 remote but can't get out of it
22:28:38crwl(in fact, the menu doesn't show on the remote)
22:29:30Falco98you tried pressing stop, i guess?
22:29:51sharpei probably would have noticed if i had a remote.
22:30:04sharpeit would've also helped to have an h100
22:30:11sharpebut i've only an ipod...
22:30:35crwlwell, i've just been thinking about actually trying to use the remote for once... after owning my H120 for about two years :P
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22:30:47Falco98how do you even get into the pitch menu?
22:31:11midkaywhat model?
22:31:16crwlhow wouldn't i? the menues seem to be exactly the same on remote as on the main unit
22:31:42midkaythat was @ falco..
22:31:46crwlah :)
22:31:46Falco98i'm just asking how to get into the pitch menu
22:31:55Falco98as in, i can't find it on mine, just now
22:32:02midkayi'm just asking your target. go to the context menu at the WPS..
22:32:12midkaybut if you have a certain model, there's a key shortcut. never mind, you don't care.
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22:32:32Falco98i was trying the regular menu for some reason
22:32:51Falco98got it
22:32:59Falco98yeah, it seems you can't get out of it from the remote...
22:33:06Falco98and when you enter it the remote screen just freezes
22:34:01sharpeoh noes!
22:34:09Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic, hardeep: Either of you around by chance? It sounds like there's a case where it doesn't rebuffer, which is what seems to trigger this "music stops, but I press stop then resume the playlist and it's fine" issue.
22:35:18crwlstuff under the Info menu seem to do that too... at least "Rockbox info" should probably work
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22:37:46lostlogicI mean I'm vaguely here
22:37:55sharpehow am i going to do the menu for the saved states?
22:38:52Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: According to one person, the first rebuffer after an automatic folder change doesn't happen, from the sounds of it.
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22:40:33lostlogichmm... latest CVS?
22:40:43lostlogichardeep's recent commit about the playlist_end should have fixed that
22:40:57Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Okay then. That post said he's using a slightly older one
22:41:16PaulJamthe build was from before hardeeps commit
22:45:25PaulJamlostlogic: when was the commit that should have fixed that? i have also experineced it with a cvs from 11 May 19:21
22:46:29Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: The fix was on the 15th
22:46:42PaulJamyes, i have just found it
22:47:12PaulJami will try it with a current build
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22:59:41voyage34Hi. Is there an audioscrobbler/ plugin for rocbox on the ipod 5g?
22:59:54midkayhi. not yet.
23:00:05midkaybeing worked on..
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23:10:03sharpewhy not just have a global function that transverses directories and calls specified functions when certain conditions are met, such as... directory is found, file is found, etc...
23:10:46hardeepi actually wrote such a function for the playlist catalog patch
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23:11:18hardeepi left it in the playlist code but it can probably be moved to tree
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23:11:28sharpei see.
23:11:57sharpei wonder if it would be safe to just pass a NULL to menu_init() as the menu item list...
23:13:15sharpeas i'll be adding them to the list...
23:14:56PaulJamok, the bug seems to be fixed (at least it didn't happen this time)
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23:17:51XavierGramiconn: do you have the logs of your H100 with and without disk power off?
23:18:00sharpeeh, i'll just pass it a pointer to the unused plugin buffer...
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23:37:21XavierGrdoes anyone know how the hex numbers work in the bitmap icons?
23:38:01XavierGrI know that each hex number represents a vertical line of the icon, but how the number comes from it?
23:38:43Paul_The_Nerd1 = pixel, 0 = no pixel
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23:39:00Paul_The_NerdThen, you get a number in binary. Convert to hex, and you're done.
23:39:16Paul_The_NerdI think
23:39:17XavierGrlet me see then...
23:40:33Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: ?
23:40:43sharpeerror: 'dir' undeclared... in the declaration...
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23:42:14XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Thanks seems to be working.
23:42:24sharpegcc loves me
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23:54:01Paul_The_NerdIt being troublesome?
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23:54:53sharpeapparently declaring an undecalred variable won't work.
23:55:24Mikachusharpe: you're doing Something Wrong [tm]
23:55:30XavierGrwhat is preferable? You loose ot you lose? (I don't remember which is which).
23:55:38sharpeit would seem i am...
23:55:49MikachuXavierGr: they're two different words
23:55:56MikachuXavierGr: loose is the opposite of tightened
23:55:59Mikachulose is the opposite of win
23:56:05XavierGrah yes
23:56:10XavierGrnow I remember
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23:56:23Mikachubut they sound the same
23:56:27XavierGrsmothing like "loose screw" right?
23:56:44Mikachuyeah you have a screw loose
23:56:49XavierGr(*sigh* my spelling is getting worse...)
23:57:08XavierGrok thanks! :D
23:57:14scorcheMikachu: not quite the same..."loos" = loose "looz" = lose
23:57:20sharpegcc, why do you hate me?
23:57:38scorche<sharpe> gcc loves me
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23:57:51sharpescorche: it's a love-hate relationship
23:58:03mmmTROUTi love rockbox
23:58:17peturblaming the compiler... how typical ;)
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23:58:42Paul_The_Nerdpetur: There is at _least_ one documented case in the last 6 months of Rockbox's history where it actually *was* the compiler's fault.
23:58:55peturI know....

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