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#rockbox log for 2006-05-19

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00:07:20amiconnA theme is a .cfg file
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00:07:56peturother code involved?
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00:23:11peturwhen does a settings file NOT contain (r)wps selection?
00:23:24peturwhen the wps is default?
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00:24:03Paul_The_NerdOr when someone's removed it?
00:24:19Paul_The_NerdI have several settings files that only change sound options.
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00:24:38peturnah, this one was written using rockbox
00:25:16peturthought I fixed it but using such a settings file still breaks the wps :(
00:25:23Paul_The_NerdIt shouldn't leave it out if you're using default, in my opinion... Otherwise what if you want a settings file to load default?
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00:43:56kingspawnhm, I've submitted a patch that I've been told is in safetydan's domain, but I think I snapped up earlier today he's gone (or just come back), whats up with that?
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00:44:47peturhe returned
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00:45:31kingspawnsounds good
00:46:05Moosreally? safetydan is bavk?
00:46:16Mikachupartyhats for everyone
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00:46:49*petur discovers his remaining wps bug isn't one :D
00:47:03Mooshehe :)
00:47:12Paul_The_Nerdkingspawn: Is yours the syncsplash patch?
00:47:17peturthe settings file only changed the font, which messed up the wps of course
00:47:24kingspawnPaul_The_Nerd: ah, yes
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00:48:02*amiconn 's wps'es don't get messed up by font changes most of the time
00:48:37peturthe font selection should be part of the wps just like the backdrop
00:48:56Paul_The_Nerdkingspawn: You probably could get any dev to look over that one then. It's patching code written by safetydan, but it's not _his_ domain. ;-)
00:48:59*Moos wants multifonts support :)
00:49:21kingspawnPaul_The_Nerd: only problem is, I dont know who are devs and who are not :)
00:49:40Paul_The_Nerdkingspawn: Well, I'm not. Despite some confusion by people every now and then. :)
00:49:53kingspawnPaul_The_Nerd: Hehe, it's a hard knock life
00:50:10Mooskingspawn: that was safetydan made the copy/past/cut thing working on rockbox
00:50:51kingspawnMoos: ah, I see. I just pick up tidbits of information here and there
00:51:20kingspawnjust installed rockbox yesterday, so Im still a little green
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00:51:49Mooshehe, welcome then ;)
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00:57:47peturdoes anybody understand ?
00:58:10Paul_The_Nerdpetur: Instead of muting at the lowest level, it actually gets 1dB _louder_ instead.
00:58:17Paul_The_NerdOr so that person says
00:58:55Moosmaybe the person have one iaudio
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00:59:06peturwe don't do anything special, do we? Or is that done in the driver...
00:59:17peturMoos: ipooo
00:59:44Genre9mp3or maybe he just want to say that from -56db and down the volume seems "quite" the same
00:59:45Paul_The_NerdiPod 5G
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01:00:06peturah well, not a 3.0 target anyway ;)
01:00:31patientfoxhey quick question... i see all the cook wps themes for the h3xx require certain patches to be installed... how do you go about applying them?
01:00:42Moosthat sounds for me like if mute doesn't mute, it is on evilpod? :)
01:02:00Paul_The_Nerdpatientfox: Oops, wrong link
01:02:14Paul_The_NerdYou're gonna need to compile
01:02:27Moosamiconn: did you perform one runtime with w/o disc poweroff for comparaison to your previous one ?
01:02:33Moosh1xx that is
01:03:27peturpatientfox: you can also try to find an 'experimental build' somewhere online. Don't know how often they are updated, check misticriver...
01:03:45*Moos just checked the runtime iki page and didn't find out
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01:04:10peturpatientfox: those builds are not supported by the devs however
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01:05:49Genre9mp3I believe that most of the people that use the experimental builds do it because of the extra wps functionality
01:06:38Paul_The_NerdThey're users rather than testers
01:07:21Genre9mp3yes, and probably after the 3.1 release they won't have to use it anymore
01:07:32Moosfor sure
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01:08:18Paul_The_NerdEventually there's going to be a feature they want that Rockbox says "We won't put that in CVS" for some reason, and then there'll be a fork-type thing. But they won't realize that's what it is, and keep coming here with bugs anyway, I suspect.
01:09:10Genre9mp3Well, I think a lot of people (myself included) like the album art thing
01:09:37Mooshehe :)
01:09:51Moosamiconn: checked my question?
01:10:05amiconnNone of my runtime test is in the wiki yet
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01:10:51Mooshow many time did you get w/o power disc poweroff option on h1xx?
01:10:59peturamiconn: while doing long testruns, maybe check and close this one:
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01:11:40Genre9mp3Do you think that this worth to be in CVS? −−->
01:11:47*Moos need some sleeps
01:12:00Genre9mp3It's about user defined tags in wps
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01:12:17Genre9mp3and an extension of that would be support in tagcache also..
01:12:29Genre9mp3what's your opinion to this?
01:13:04amiconnpetur: That's an old one; since 2.5 it shouldn't be as bad as reported. In order to finally fix it, we need the recording framewalker
01:13:18amiconnIt's a bug in the MAS that causes this odd behaviour
01:13:40peturah, so it's still present
01:13:42amiconnTook me weeks to pinpoint what's happening
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01:14:28peturok, cu tomorrow
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01:14:46*Genre9mp3 thinks is the only "Tag-freak" here
01:14:57amiconnEven a framewalker won't fix it 100%, it would just work around the problem (restart the recording when the mas starts bitshifting data, causing a short glitch in the recording)
01:15:20amiconnStill better than a completely corrupt recording
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01:15:30Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: I don't think arbitrary tags are that important. Especially in tagcache, it seems that should be kept to a limited list of tags supported (in my opinion)
01:15:53amiconnAccording to archos, the pcm codec doesn't suffer from this problem, so we will get glitch free wav recording
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01:16:37amiconnWhy is there no decent sound playback program for linux??
01:16:40Genre9mp3I suppose that this also involves a lot of work, too
01:16:56Genre9mp3also & too...:)
01:18:06Genre9mp3amiconn: I was refering to user defined tags in tagcache
01:19:05Genre9mp3BTW....completely off topic....amiconn..were do u live in Germany?
01:19:36Genre9mp3I've been in Berlin for a week
01:19:54Genre9mp3I was on wedding
01:20:04*amiconn was in Athens in summer 2003
01:20:09Genre9mp3near the U-bahn station
01:20:22Genre9mp3cool! :)
01:20:25pixelmain Wedding? not at a wedding
01:20:53Genre9mp3"Wedding" is an area in Berlin
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01:21:03*pixelma has been in Athens too ;P
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01:21:11pixelmaGenre9mp3: I know...
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01:22:44Genre9mp3crappy and noisy city, isn't it? (Athens)
01:23:33Mikachuamiconn: if you want suggestions "omg you suck" isn't the way to go :)
01:23:54pixelmaGalois: I liked it ...and compared to Cairo it's quite calm ;)
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01:24:17pixelmasorry, I ment Genre9mp3
01:24:36Genre9mp3never been to Cairo...
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01:26:51Genre9mp3But I think there is a big different between "living in"and "visiting" a place
01:27:53pixelmathat's true - concluding from that you live in Athens?
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01:30:29yuriksI edited the wps file
01:30:47yuriks(using wordpad) to remvoe the peak meter, and the png background doesn't shows anymore =/
01:31:27Genre9mp3yuriks: png format is not supported
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01:32:40yurikshmm, well, the background disappeared
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01:32:57yuriks(and yes, it did work fine)
01:33:08yuriksI made a copy of the wps and edited that, maybe it's that?
01:34:05Genre9mp3perhaps you deleted a line like this: "%X|bg.bmp|" in the wps?
01:34:29pixelmayuriks: did you also rename it?
01:34:39pixelmathe wps-file?
01:34:41Genre9mp3did you change the name of the background file?
01:34:49yurikspixelma: yes
01:34:56yuriksI copied it and edited the copy
01:35:07Genre9mp3pixelma: you got me
01:35:18yuriksGenre9mp3: no, I only replaced the %pm with a blank line
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01:36:00Genre9mp3yuriks: the wps file must have the same name with the folder that contains the bmps
01:37:58yuriksyeah. it works now, thanks =)
01:38:45yuriksanyone would happen to know what's the batt capacity of a mini 2g?
01:38:55amiconn630 mAh
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01:39:57yurikshmm, I have 600 and 650... which one?
01:40:33yuriks(I can't set 630 on the settings)
01:40:44amiconnchoose one... doesn't matter much
01:41:36amiconnThe value is only used for calculating the remaining runtime. On ipod, it's not even properly calibrated
01:42:08Mikachui thought someone did some measurements some time ago?
01:42:26amiconnYes, me
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01:42:50amiconn..but imho it's too early to worry about runtime calibration on ipod
01:43:36yurikswhat line would I look for to enable the statubs bar in the wps?
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01:46:50pixelmayuriks: take a look:
01:47:03yuriksyeah, just looked that up
01:47:39yuriksplaylist creation is confusing =S
01:47:59pixelmaafaik it can be anywhere in the wps but it must be on its own line
01:48:06yuriksMy father could use simpler playlist creation =P
01:49:16Paul_The_NerdSimpler than "Click file, choose insert, repeat until playlist is full, save?"
01:49:43sharpeis party mode still implemented?
01:49:58Paul_The_NerdI don't recall it becoming unimplemented, but I may have missed it.
01:50:34sharpeneither do i, was just wondering. he could use that, as it will automatically queue the song after you hold select on it...
01:52:00yuriksmeh, I hate bubbles endgame
01:52:10yuriksthe piece rondomizer always takes care to screw you up >_>
01:52:33yuriksWell, till now I found 3 Playlist menus I think >_>
01:52:46yuriksand Save playlist could save in the current dir...
01:53:13yuriksand where's "Empty Playlist"?
01:53:27Paul_The_Nerd"Stop the music"
01:53:40yuriks(Yes, I liked the way the Apple firmware worked for doing it, I'll enable party mode)
01:53:44yuriksstop music? eh?
01:53:51Paul_The_NerdYou asked how to clear the playlist
01:53:55yurikswhat if I don't want pause to clear it >_>
01:54:03Paul_The_NerdNot paus
01:54:09yuriksI don't have stop
01:54:12Paul_The_NerdYes, you do.
01:54:20Paul_The_NerdHold play/pause for two seconds
01:54:29Paul_The_NerdIf music is not playing, the playlist is empty
01:54:51patientfoxhow do i put a iriver running rockbox in usb drive mode... ?
01:55:01Paul_The_Nerdpatientfox: Plug in a USB cable?
01:55:08patientfoxi see
01:55:23patientfoxwell ive done that... but im not seeing it .. in linux, ill try on my winxp box...
01:55:55Paul_The_NerdH3x0 or H1x0?
01:56:11yurikshmm, holing select just displays the file menu...
01:56:20Paul_The_Nerdyuriks: And how said to hold select?
01:56:40yuriks< sharpe> neither do i, was just wondering. he could use that, as it will automatically queue the song after you hold select on it...
01:56:43Paul_The_Nerdpatientfox: Hm. Try plugging in the USB cable while it's turned off, then turn it on. Bootloader USB mode.
01:56:56Paul_The_Nerdyuriks: I think he meant tap select, for party mode.
01:57:20yurikstap select == go into directory
01:57:24patientfoxyeah i got it to work
01:57:31patientfoxthank you
01:58:03Paul_The_Nerdyuriks: Well yeah, if you do it on a directory. Clearly. Maybe try holding select on the directory, then choosing Playlist->Insert (or Queue)
01:58:24yurikswhat's the difference in Queue and Insert Last?
01:58:37Mikachuqueue removes the file after you play it
01:58:40Paul_The_NerdMaybe you should consider reading the manual
01:58:44Mikachufrom the playlist, not from the drive
01:58:47Paul_The_NerdInstead of asking every question that comes to mind.
01:59:02yuriksmeh, the manual is huge... but, o well
01:59:11*yuriks wips out xpdf, that sucks =-°
01:59:47yuriksah... we have a webmanual...
02:00:02sharpeyes, yes we do...
02:00:36yuriksbtw, anyone knows of a replacement firmware for a Zen Nano?
02:01:34yuriksif such thing exists =P
02:02:19midkayit doesn't.
02:02:35yuriksmeh, sucks =/
02:04:26Paul_The_NerdWell, you can always start a Rockbox port effort
02:04:49yuriksheh, the screen is pretty.... small
02:05:03yuriksnot sure, but it's only a handful pixels high
02:05:22Paul_The_NerdThe Archos Player has two lines of character-cells
02:05:49Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: You said that like it's the easiest thing! :)
02:06:07Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Nah, but I have little pity for someone who says that it sucks that someone else hasn't done it already.
02:06:40Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: I have to admit, that I agree on that! ;)
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02:06:48yuriksSucks that one doesnt's arleady exists
02:07:01yuriksNot that I was complaining or anything
02:08:01yuriksOK, assuming I figure how to install new FW (I know that's possible, Creative has updates) I would also need to know what CPU it has, memory, LCD, and stuff
02:08:05yuriksyeah, that would be hard
02:08:07Paul_The_NerdJust like I never have pity for people who say things like "I bought an iPod, but the lack of FeatureX drives me nuts" :)
02:08:16yuriks< sharpe> neither do i, was just wondering. he could use that, as it will automatically queue the song after you hold select on it...
02:08:36yuriksmine! =D
02:08:39Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: lol
02:09:11Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: I have a hard time finding pity for people who are essentially telling me "I bought a product before finding out if I actually wanted it or not."
02:09:13Mikachuso will the next ipod be called ipod zen?
02:09:32yuriksGenre9mp3: That was a gift >_>
02:09:44Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Actually, I think Creative is suing Apple at the moment (though not for the Nano thing)
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02:09:57Mikachustupid software patents
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02:10:09Mikachuthe whole thing is pretty ridiculous
02:10:29Mikachucreative seems to claim they invented the idea of splitting up music by artist and albums
02:11:18Mikachui have only read slashdot headlines though, so don't quote me on that :)
02:11:26yuriksMy Nano doesn't have that >_>
02:11:31Paul_The_NerdI think I saw it at engadget.
02:11:37midkayi read it too..
02:11:43Mikachui don't really care who wins that one
02:11:44Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: It seems to me though, that you find easily pity for people... help them too much!
02:12:28Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I'm cheering for Creative, just because I'm curious what Apple will do after.
02:12:50Mikachuapple is a bit higher on my evil list than creative
02:13:25Genre9mp3The same thing apple did with the voice menu idea?
02:13:45Paul_The_NerdI don't really care about Apple. Most of the time they stay in their closed architecture world, and out of my way, so I'm kinda indifferent. But it'll be fun to watch 'em squirm if they have to rewrite the whole UI (assuming Creative wins, and then won't license it)
02:14:10Mikachuwasn't there a us court thing recently about patents too?
02:14:15Mikachuagain only read the blurb
02:14:19Paul_The_NerdIf I were Creative though, I'd offer to license it, with one of the conditions being the ability to have their players support Fairplay / purchases from iTunes.
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02:46:59pjoHello ! I made an m3u plylist using mp3tag and saved it to the root of iPod, but it says no file, then I placed m3u to iPod_Control, it stops playing. the single file plays ok. Where shall I put the m3u ? Is mp3tag m3u compatible with RockBox ?
02:47:59Mikachuare the paths in the m3u relative or absolute?
02:48:13Mikachuit obviously won't work if it says f:\ at the beginning or something like that
02:48:32Paul_The_NerdI thought Rockbox ignored drive letters in m3us anyway.
02:48:41zeyeah i think it does
02:49:43pjoI will check that by plugging iPod
02:50:02Mikachumaybe the path is still wrong
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02:51:37pjoit is:
02:51:39pjo#EXTINF:803, - Haydn Cello Con I AAC 128K
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02:51:49scorcheit doesnt matter where you put the m3u....make sure that everything in the playlist is on the ipod though
02:51:57Mikachui guess that should work?
02:52:08Mikachudoes rockbox accept both back- and forward slashes?
02:53:03pjoit does not ?
02:54:06Mikachumaybe a leading \ is required?
02:54:18Mikachui am just making some guesses to pass time until someone with a better idea comes along
02:54:33Paul_The_Nerdleading \ makes it base out of the root, instead of the folder the .m3u is in, right?
02:54:49Mikachuthat is what i would expect
02:55:05pjoi will try that
02:56:56pjoThanks it works !
02:56:59scorcheyes, i think that you have to have the \ or / or whatever otherwise, it just follows the relative paths from the invocation point
02:57:14Mikachuhooray, one point for me
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02:57:40scorcheand one for me!
02:57:47pjoyes sure
02:57:48Mikachua whatnow pie?
02:58:23pjoanother question: if m3u has three songs, does it always play in that order ?
02:58:41scorcheunless you set it to shuffle, yes
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03:00:38pjoBTW if m3u has no leading \, and m3u is palyed, RockBox freezes
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03:05:21pjoI noticed that RockBox sounds better than AppleOS and sounds much better than iPodLinux !!!
03:06:04pjofor me this characteristic is the number one reason to use RockBox
03:06:23pjobut could someone explain why ?
03:07:11pjois decoding mp3 or AAC executed by the firmaware ?
03:07:46Mikachuit is done in software on ipods, so that would be a yes
03:08:05midkayif iPL plays audio, it's definitely an afterthought..
03:08:06pjogood !
03:09:06pjosi RockBox based on Linux ?
03:09:12pjosi−−-> is
03:09:25pjoso RB is original OS ?
03:11:34pjowhat is the quickest way to access m3u ? Do I always have to Genral Settings/File View ?
03:12:00Mikachuif you have it set to id3 usually, yes
03:12:15pjook thanks
03:12:21Mikachuit will be improved later
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03:29:07pjoHow do I disable to play m3u automatically when RB is booted ? When RB is booted, it plays an m3u automatically.
03:29:33scorchepjo: is resume turned on?
03:30:15scorchewell, turn it off =P
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03:56:49sharpei've another idea!
03:57:20sharpehowever useless it may be.
03:58:44JdGordonwell dont keep us in suspense...
03:58:50sharpemeh... client, for rockbox. :P
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06:26:43EbErThi all
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07:08:02EbErTi recently installed rockbox on my 20gig lcd ipod.
07:08:24EbErTnavigation seems a lil awkward, but the whole project seems to be rounding out nicely already
07:08:53EbErTi have a problem with it being windows only, not universal, but i know that'd take lots more work
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07:09:24EbErTformatting it to windows is mostly the gripe
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07:10:25midkayit's not only a lot of work, it's rather unnecessary and not something we want to support, much less intend to.
07:10:41EbErTyeah, i understand
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07:11:25EbErTany thoughts on making a gui for creating playlists and such?
07:11:55midkaywhat do you mean? we already have advanced playlist creation capabilities and a playlist viewer..
07:12:09EbErTsome software on the computer itself to help manage songs
07:12:40EbErTcan you elaborate on playlist creation
07:12:43midkaywe use plain .m3u files, so that's up to you..
07:13:21midkaysure, you just want to select a song or a folder, hold SELECT on it, and you can choose to insert it in the playlist in a variety of positions (next/last) or queue it..
07:13:44EbErTand that's on the actual player
07:14:44EbErTsearch and create playlists related to artist names, date added, ect?
07:14:58EbErTsorry, i installed it a day ago, dunno too much yet
07:15:11midkayhm.. databox might work for you, you can do things like that i think..
07:15:22midkaybut if you want to get that advanced, you might just want to use some good PC software..
07:15:32EbErTlike what?
07:15:38midkaygoogle? *shrugs*
07:15:52midkayanything that generates M3U playlists.
07:16:19EbErTis databox a windows app rockbox has created?
07:16:28EbErTok, i see. only that i use macs mostly
07:16:47midkaydatabox is a rockbox plugin.
07:17:05midkayso maybe google "playlist creator mac" or something.
07:17:55EbErTso i'm looking for something that will group plain m3u files in different ways
07:19:50EbErTok, thankyou a lot for the help!
07:19:57midkaywhatever you wish. i don't use playlists often at all, nor a mac, but i can easily imagine some kind of software that would do a lot of that.
07:20:18midkayno problem, you also might want to check out the rockbox manual (work in progress, but useful).
07:20:27EbErTyeah, i have some
07:20:33EbErTits big tho :)
07:20:50EbErTis there a projected time for a stable release?
07:20:59EbErTi read something about november
07:21:04midkaynovember 2006 is the estimated date for iPod support, yeah.
07:21:20EbErToh, also
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07:21:57EbErTwhen you update the rockbox software to a the newest daily build, are the preferences lost?
07:22:30midkayoccasionally, if a new setting had been added or modified or removed..
07:22:35midkaywhich is why it's good to save config files.
07:22:41midkaythat's in the menu -> manage settings -> write .cfg file.
07:22:45EbErTand load them back in
07:22:50midkaythus if they are ever erased, you can just load them back. yeah.
07:23:46EbErTheh, its like you guys are making these portable players into computers themselves
07:23:51EbErTingenious :D
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07:24:17midkayipodlinux does that even more :)
07:24:21midkayimpressive hardware it is..
07:24:35EbErTsoftware you mean?
07:24:59EbErTi put ipodlinux on my lcd ipoda while ago, seems like rockbox has more
07:25:15midkaywell, both.. i meant hardware in that case, though.. latest ipods have 2x75mhz processors, 60gb 5g (video) models have 64mb RAM..
07:26:09midkayi've used ipodlinux, and i definitely prefer rockbox.. ipodlinux is rather 'cool', but audio playback doesn't even work for me, and the interface is horribly slow..
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07:26:43EbErTequilizers to make the so-so ipod "sound" be better is a big thing for me too
07:27:09midkayyes, rockbox sounds superb.. and that is its goal :)
07:27:16EbErTyou know how much RAM the 60 gig photo has?
07:28:09EbErTi think i need a manual for the equalizer settings on it tho.. (its probably in the manual)
07:28:19midkayit is indeed.
07:28:24midkay32MB, i think.
07:29:02EbErTis navigation staying the way it is for ipods?
07:29:16midkayas opposed to..?
07:29:23EbErTdunno if people could just change that on the fly
07:29:26midkayit's unlikely to change majorly.
07:29:39midkaythat's the way rockbox has been for .. well.. ever. :)
07:29:48EbErTwell, it just throws me for loops sometimes
07:29:59midkayit's different than the apple firmware, but very intuitive when you get it down (might take a couple days)..
07:30:14EbErTguess i'll get used to it. sometimes i press a button really thinking i know that its the one. wait a while, then figure it out
07:30:27EbErTyeah, mostly its very intuitive
07:30:55EbErTi'm ok with a learning curve heh
07:30:58midkayoh, are you having any trouble with pressing buttons and not getting responses?
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07:31:08EbErTsome probably, yes
07:31:26midkaycheck the "first keypress enables backlight only" option which is still defaulted to "yes" for some reason..
07:31:28EbErTand more freezing than i would like on the lcd ipod. haven't installed or tested on my photo one
07:31:31midkaybothers the hell out of me.
07:31:44midkaywhat do you mean, 'lcd ipod'? they all have LCDs, except the unsupported shuffles..
07:32:04EbErTsorry, black and white (lcd)
07:32:23midkay4g, i guess..
07:32:42midkaylike photo, but gray LCD?
07:32:49EbErToh, yea
07:32:58midkayanyways.. i gotta run to bed now.
07:33:05EbErTok, bye
07:33:12midkaynice talking to you :) later
07:33:17EbErTya, thx
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07:55:50*EbErT wonders if there is a way to view playlist folders AND the id3tag database at the same time
07:56:20EbErTinstead of changing in settings
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08:03:26ThijsHey All, I just installed tockbox on a long lost archos jukebox 6000, but now when I restart it it just hangs at "Jukebox version 5.08" and I don't hear the HD spinning up... is this a known issue?
08:12:53markunThijs: I guess there are no archos owning devs around right now
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08:20:54scorcheThijs: as in the stock booting screen?
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08:48:32Thijsscorche: yes, the stock booting screen
08:51:48scorcheyou unpackaged both the .mod file and the .rockbox folder to the root correct?
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08:58:46Thijsscorche: yes
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09:00:04scorcheThijs: haveyou tried copying it over again?
09:00:32Thijsscorche: yes, I have... multiple times. When I remove it my archos boots fine. When I install it it just hangs
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09:01:03Thijsscorche: also strange: on the archos site I can only find 5.07 firmware... the 5.08 on my device is nowhere to be found
09:02:51scorcheThijs: well, being that it is such an old unit, they dont really feel the need to stay current on firmware i would imagine
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09:03:45scorcheThijs: copy the files over again...but dont delete the old ones
09:04:17amiconnThijs: 5.08 only exists as a ROM version. The 5.07 as a file is identical in function
09:04:22scorchethen, shift-delete the old ones and rename the ones you just copied over to the stock name
09:04:29scorcheamiconn: morning =)
09:05:05amiconnThe archos-loader sometimes gets confused by file system errors, or by odd placement of the loadable firmware
09:05:14Noobie25Greetings!; I'm new with rockbox and currently reading about it; can I get a lil help from you guys?
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09:05:36theli_uaNoobie25, don't ask for asking, just ask :)
09:05:41amiconnIf you don't have important data on the device, I'd recommend to format the disk
09:06:07amiconnThen put archos 5.07 on the unit as a test, and check whether it's really 5.07 after boot
09:06:11Thijsscorche: so I donn't overwrite, just copy a new .rockbox and archos.mod and remove the old ones, and rename the new ones?
09:06:19amiconnIf this works, try rockbox again
09:06:37Noobie25Thanks! theli_ua; I own an Ipod 5g First: I can't play videos right? and.. how do I install a patch? (can't find it in the faq yet)
09:06:37Thijsamiconn: ok, I'll try scorche's way first
09:06:42scorcheThijs: it is worth a try, but amiconn knows a bit more about those than i do
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09:07:32Thijswow, I must say, this is one of the few irc channels I've come across people as nice as you guys! thanks! I'll gve it a go asap, and let you know how it went
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09:07:52peturNoobie25: patches apply on the source, so you need to be able to compile rockbox yourself
09:08:14theli_uayeah .. and try to read the wiki first ...
09:08:23tucozhmm, my last commit made the h300 man 2.7MB
09:08:36peturNoobie25: but have a look in the forums, some users offer private builts containing some of those patches
09:08:52Noobie25Thanks ! that's what I was looking for !
09:08:53tucozI need to resize that h300 image later on.
09:10:05Noobie25and how bout video? no support for video playback right?
09:10:39tucozOr... Maybe we could release a specific pdf with 72pixels per inch resolution.
09:10:44peturNoobie25: not yet, no
09:10:47tucozfor the images
09:11:09preglowtucoz: having a print size manual and a display size one is pretty normal
09:11:14theli_uais there any possibility to have custom vkeyboard layout for rb->kbd_input ?
09:11:24preglowalthough we don't really have that many images that need that treatment
09:11:46markuntheli_ua: yes, just create a UTF-8 encoded text file with a .kbd extension
09:12:02theli_uamarkun, no .. i mean custom for a certain plugin ...
09:12:11theli_uanot global
09:12:14tucozpreglow, right. No, I suspect the frontpage image and the player-images to be the only ones
09:13:50tucozI should resize the image to a 300 pixels per inch resolution for that size anyway.
09:14:17Noobie25tks petur and theli_ua thanks for your help !
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09:17:51theli_uamarkun, as for glodal .kbd what should be it's name and where should it be? (maybe i just can temporarily replace it with mine before call for rb->kbd_input ... )
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09:25:19markuntheli_ua: the default layout is hard coded. Don't know how you can get is back.
09:27:13theli_uamarkun, i know that default is hardcoded ... i just thought that i place my layout in needed place and call kbd_input and after that remove my file ... (or exchange if there is one) ... sounds possible? or i doesn't work that way?
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09:59:36Noobie25Where can I find a compiled patch that will allow me to view album art? a private compilation made public maybe?
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10:00:30peturtry the forums
10:02:24Noobie25I'm there... I'm in the 13th page of posts (in the ipod section)
10:03:06markuntheli_ua: yes, should work
10:03:35markunNoobie25: searching is usually quicker :)
10:03:51peturhmmm, I can remember somebody posting recently about a wps and also mentioning a built to use it
10:05:38Noobie25yeah markum ! but doing it this way I take a look on some other topics... (but I'm getting tired of reading hehe)
10:09:35Noobie25markun wow thanks I've been looking about 1h for this ! should be a sticky...
10:11:05peturnah, we don't encourage the use of builds others than those on the site
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10:14:05linuxstbNoobie25: A more recent 5g build with album art is in this thread:
10:14:17tucozgrr. I give up. It's impossible to get pdflatex to use the compression level and image resolution that I tell it to use
10:14:22Noobie25I guess petur... but can be useful for newbies
10:15:07linuxstbtucoz: How many high DPI images are there? I thought all the screenshots were at the native resolution?
10:15:21tucozlinuxstb, only two
10:15:49tucozThat is, the h300 front is 286 dpi at the size used in the manual
10:15:55tucozand the frontpage image
10:17:08Noobie25thank you linuxtb this download link works and of course thanks markun too
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10:17:56tucozThe h300 image doubles the size of the manual. I thought that a screen size pdf could be useful as welll as a print size
10:18:47tucozlinuxstb, all screenshots are scaled to a 4cm width. So, the resolution varies.
10:20:04linuxstbMaybe replace the h300 image with a black and white line drawing? Dull, but will keep the size small.
10:20:39linuxstb(a vector drawing, not a bitmap)
10:20:39markuntucoz: would it help if we turned the frontpage image into a vector image?
10:20:45tucozhmm. That could be done. I'll let my gf trace the image with illustrator :)
10:22:17tucozmarkun, probably. But, it would be nice if we could have pdflatex obey the user definable variables (compression, resolution etc)
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10:22:41tucozI am not sure how pdflatex handles vector graphics
10:26:36Noobie25album art graphics jpg embedded into the mp3 file itself; (i think itunes works this way) can be displayed with a plugin/theme pack? (ipod 5g)
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10:31:58Noobie25whops... lot of work filing album art for my ipod in vain, for now...
10:33:08nudelynyou can run a tool to extract them though
10:33:27*petur wonders why people stuff _album_ art into a _song_
10:33:53nudelynnot all songs have pictures
10:34:20peturI rather use my storage for something else than duplicate images :P
10:34:22nudelyni've thought maybe, for albums that come with lyrics and have one song per page, the files should have their page :) but that wouldn't work for most albums
10:34:46nudelynthe images aren't very big but i agree, it is a bit of a waste
10:35:01Noobie25yes, I attach lyrics too, it's like having the cd booklet
10:37:51linuxstbpetur: I would blame the software more than the users...
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10:38:23linuxstbitunes is also very song-oriented (as opposed to album-oriented). In that context, it makes more sense to have the art embedded.
10:38:59linuxstbBut I think itunes converts it for use on the ipod anyway - the apple firmware doesn't decode the JPEG image stored in the .m4a file.
10:39:12Noobie25I know album art means waste of ram and efforts to include that feature on the core.. but that's what people look for...
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10:40:45nudelynitunes also does clever stuff with image files, like pre-generates all the thumbnails... only advantage to not being a USB MSC device, i suppose... (doesn't really outweigh the advantages of being MSC, though)
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12:51:33pjoHello !
12:51:35pjoI created m3u playlist with mp3tag, which contains three movements of a classical work, all of them are mp3. and It works fine.
12:51:35pjoThen, I created the same m3u with AAC, when m3u starts playing, the first movement is played ok, but when moving to the second movement, RockBox freezes.
12:51:35pjoIs there any workaround to this ?
12:51:35DBUGEnqueued KICK pjo
12:51:35pjoRB is downloaded this week 20060516 from this site and iPod Photo 60GB.
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12:54:29linuxstbpjo: Do the files work if you try and play them individually?
12:54:43pjoyes it works perfectly
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13:02:30preglowdo samsung release data sheets for their arm cores?
13:06:08pjoit is data abort 4000C004
13:08:21webguest70can i just drop a line here and start asking? (i'm not very familiar with IRC habits, sorry)
13:09:11ashridahwebguest70: ask away
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13:09:55*petur reads another fine BOFH episode
13:09:59webguest70ah, i nice bunch of people then :) here goes:
13:10:50webguest70i looked for the charging hardware on ihp1xx, found none. is it available and is there any work to be done on this part of the code?
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13:12:09peturheh, killed by the webclient
13:12:24peturnow there's a real BOFH :)
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13:15:20ashridahwebguest70: eh? the H1xx's power regulation can only charge via the external charger, it can't charge from usb
13:15:36linuxstbpreglow: I _think_ they do. IIRC, you need to register via a very unstable IE-only website and pray the downloads work.
13:16:03ashridahthe only code concerned with it is charging notification
13:18:27*petur points amiconn towards
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13:19:15linuxstbtheli_ua: Nice to see it at last. One note though - you compressed that patch file twice... There isn't really any need to compress it at all.
13:19:59theli_uanope.. only once...
13:20:20theli_uaah ... no need at all .. ok .. i'll remeber that
13:20:27linuxstbNo, it's definitely compressed twice...
13:20:49peturnot for my unzipper
13:20:52theli_uanope .. once :)
13:21:24theli_uacurl "" | gunzip | less gives me patch view nice
13:21:28preglowlinuxstb: anyone tried it yet, though?
13:21:36theli_uai tried it :)
13:21:39linuxstbtheli_ua: That's because "less" will unzip it. Replace less with cat.
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13:27:11theli_uacurl "" | gunzip | cat | less
13:27:14theli_uaworks also nice
13:27:33theli_uawithout less the same
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13:28:10Mikachui agree, it's only compressed once
13:28:48petur3 against 1 :P
13:29:06pjoregarding the m3u AAc , somehow the files got corrupted with mp3tag or Godfather
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13:29:39Mikachu% curl '' 2> /dev/null|zcat|file -
13:29:39Mikachu/dev/stdin: RCS/CVS diff output text
13:37:05theli_ualinuxstb, though it is very unconvinient to test it on iPod sims cause of hold button absence :(
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13:38:25theli_uaand yeah .. i've asked tomorrow but nobody answered ... should lib/configfile work in sims ? cause it doesn't for me
13:38:29linuxstbI blame firefox - using firefox to download, followed by "gunzip zxbox.patch.gz" gives me a "zxbox.patch" which is gzipped data. Using "wget" is fine.
13:38:54Mikachufirefox for some reason does funny things with gzipped files
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13:40:13linuxstbpreglow: Yes, I tried it a couple of days ago on my 5g. It's slow (about 7.5fps instead of 25fps), but apart from that it works nicely. I think there is lots of optimisation potential as well, so much better performance is possible.
13:41:19linuxstbpreglow: Or are you talking about the Samsung ARM datasheets? ....
13:41:44theli_ualinuxstb, and screen updating routine is rather ugly in terms of speed ;)
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13:47:14theli_uaheh ... so much people and so quiet today :)
13:47:33*Genre9mp3 makes some noise!
13:49:04theli_ualinuxstb, oh .. and i, suppose, you should be able to look into implementing sound there after 3.0 ?
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13:52:58linuxstbMaybe, but feel free to try it yourself whilst you wait for me...
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13:54:49webguest70coming back on charger for ihp1xx, anyone know how if the status pins are connected to GPIO?, seems USB charging IS possible with BQ24022
13:55:17linuxstbThere might be a h1x0 schematic in the wiki...
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13:56:31webguest70yeah, that's exactly what i'm looking for
13:59:05LinusNwebguest70: usb charging on h100 is not possible without hardware modification
13:59:25LinusNthe usb in voltage is not connected to the bq24022
14:00:39webguest70thanks fo the info, that's what i wanted to know, what about the the status in and out lines?
14:05:40kingspawnis the nano IPOD_3G_PAD or 4G_PAD?
14:06:17kingspawnthank you
14:11:34Piis there a method to check if the usb has been connected recently ie using lastbutton
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14:18:49preglowlinuxstb: talking about the data sheets, yes, heh
14:23:27linuxstbI remember a discussion in #ipodlinux-dev about the datasheets around the time Samsung announced they were going to provide Apple with chips, and someone there was downloading them. But I forget who.
14:24:08linuxstbIf you have access to IE, then it could be useful to download as many different datasheets for their ARM SoCs as you can. I don't have IE...
14:24:33preglowand it 64 bit so i can't even wine ie
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14:27:22preglowno idea
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14:28:34linuxstbpetur: Go here:
14:28:59linuxstb... then click on a part number (e.g. S3C2410) and there are files there which require a login.
14:30:11peturyuck, they want me to run an activex.... ah well
14:30:48linuxstbI get the registration form in Firefox, but clicking on next doesn't work....
14:32:33theli_uayeah .. just tried that too :)
14:32:33linuxstbThe link I gave you was for their ARM9 based "mobile SoCs". That's my best guess for what they are going to sell to Apple. They also have an ARM7 range:
14:33:01theli_ualinuxstb, i have windows PC near so i can register for you
14:33:07theli_uai think
14:33:54peturlogged in...
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14:34:12linuxstbpetur: Did you have to give your first born son to Samsung?
14:34:29peturno, my e-mail address
14:34:50linuxstbSo no long list of terms and conditions to agree to?
14:35:09peturgave them the company one, we're and electronics/software company... no terms and conditions :D
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14:37:39peturthis is a bit too much to download now, will do it at home..... there's lots of stuff to get :)
14:37:49markunlinuxstb: I've been googling a lot to find anything about the Samsung ARM9
14:38:01markunthat were sold to iriver, but didn't find anything
14:38:21peturlinuxstb: even code samples :)
14:38:51linuxstbpetur: Nice. Lets hope the new ipods use one of them...
14:39:00preglowthat'd rock
14:39:10preglowodds are good they won't modify the arch too much anyway
14:39:18linuxstbmarkun: Do you know the model number of the Samsung chip?
14:39:32preglowthough odds are also good it'll be apple that makes them do so if they ever do...
14:40:02markunSamsung SA58450X01, 02 and 03
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14:43:21*qwm finally owns a player that can run rockbox
14:43:55markunqwm: congrats. Didn't know you didn't have one all these months!
14:44:07qwmhaha. i'm a mysterious guy.
14:47:52Mikachucrazy swedes
14:48:08linuxstbmarkun: I can't find that chip on Samsung's site either.... So it seems they have some secret products :(
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14:52:25markunThe sites say it's a 200MHz ARM9, but I don't know where they got that info. Maybe it's in the specs of the T10, T20 and U10.
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14:55:11preglowgood bye codec troubles, in that case
15:02:08qwmis the daily build of rockbox for the nano broken?
15:02:23qwm(is rockbox.ipod supposed to be 0 bytes?)
15:03:05qwmhmm. it's not.
15:03:08qwmhow weird.
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15:09:57qwmweird.. i unpack the dailybuild to the fat32 partition, then unmount, and then i reboot it.. but i get some error (-2?) and it defaults to the apple firmware.
15:10:29qwmthen when i mount it again. there's a few empty directories (Calendars, Contacts..) and the rockbox.ipod file is suddenly 0 bytes instead of the previous ~360kb..
15:10:50qwmwhat have i done wrong? if anything.
15:10:59linuxstb"-2" means the checksums don't match - so I'm guessing the file was corrupted. Are you cleanly disconnecting your ipod after copying the file?
15:12:08linuxstbTry running chkdisk or equivalent. It does sound like you have filesystem problems.
15:13:44qwmfsck is not sufficient?
15:13:59linuxstbYes - that comes under "or equivalent"... :)
15:14:07linuxstbOr just reformat the fat32 partition.
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15:19:42qwmlinuxstb: reformatted it, now it's said "Loading Rockbox..." for two minutes.
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15:25:01linuxstbqwm: I can't think of a reason for that.... Is your .rockbox folder OK?
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15:25:19qwmlinuxstb: yeah, it seems to be.
15:28:01qwm# mkfs -t msdos /dev/sdc2
15:28:12qwmlinuxstb: that's the correct way to format it with fat32 right?
15:29:23linuxstbI think you need to specify -F 32 - at least with the version of mkfs I have installed.
15:30:15linuxstbI'm not sure what the difference is with mkfs, but you probably want -t vfat (or mkfs.vfat)
15:30:55qwmdidn't have that.. so i did msdos instead.
15:31:52qwmlinuxstb: yes! it did it!
15:32:10qwmoh my. such small font.
15:32:58linuxstbHave you installed the separate fonts zip file?
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15:38:22PiI think a bigger warning is needed regarding the first time you load rockbox you need to add the fonts package
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15:38:32whatboutbobpetur: ping
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15:40:45Mikachui don't even see the font file anywhere..
15:41:24Piit is on the daily builds page (beside the source)
15:41:25linuxstbMikachu: I was about to say the same thing... But I've just spotted it next to the source download (with the same icon) in the daily builds table.
15:42:12qwmum, how do i quit solitaire on the ipod?
15:42:22qwmmenu button doesn't quit it..
15:42:25linuxstbNormally menu and select
15:43:29peturwhatboutbob: ?
15:50:21Kohlrabianyone else seen this new lancer/blacksword vorbisenc-build?
15:50:30KohlrabiThey have an 'MT'-version now
15:50:35KohlrabiAny idea what that is?
15:51:00Kohlrabicould be :)
15:51:05whatboutbobpetur: 'lo sir. how did you measure 'plug in power' of yer h320? ...and do you know if that equates to DC output?
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15:52:32peturwhatboutbob: I measured it some time ago with my multimeter
15:52:56peturdo you want to know it more exact?
15:53:22whatboutbobpetur: I'm just not sure if that equates to 'plug in power'...
15:53:44peturdefine plug in power
15:54:06whatboutbob(not questioning you here...more my understanding of 'plug in power)
15:54:27whatboutbobthe amount of power supplied to mics... *shrug*
15:54:47peturI measured that voltage on the mic/line-in plug of my h340
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15:55:26whatboutbobdo you happen to know if that differs between rockbox and iriver f/w?
15:55:40peturI think it's hardware only
15:55:56whatboutbob...because i'm pretty sure i've read a different figure from what you've mentioned referring to this 'pip'
15:56:20whatboutbobbah...i'll need to go do some more research.
15:56:33peturwill do more measurements in the weekend
15:57:22whatboutbobi wouldn't worry about it for now. i don't doubt ya...just wondering if 'we' are measuring the same thing...
15:58:14peturwill see if I can find out how the voltage is supplied
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16:45:28preglowdamn you!
16:45:30preglowdamn you to hell!
16:45:43preglowand belgian beer too, awww...
16:49:37flamingcowwhat *is* repeat-shuffle?
16:51:13whatboutbobawww man...and everyone knows that belgian beer tastes lousy *cough*...
16:51:55webguest47flamingcow: i believe it means "repeat when (and only when) in shuffle mode", no?
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16:51:59linuxstbflamingcow: It's described in the manual:
16:52:13preglowwhatboutbob: belgian beer, lousy???
16:52:17preglowdon't get me started
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17:05:19Pii give up..
17:05:36Pigui/gwps.c:563: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
17:05:58Piany idea what that means?
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17:08:45linuxstbPi: It means that the lvalue (i.e. what's to the left the "=" sign) isn't a variable.
17:09:22Piahh, i should have == not = silly me!
17:16:21qwmtried a few themes.
17:16:30qwmand suddenly i've got a all white theme.
17:18:29linuxstbTurn on the hold switch after rebooting (but before Rockbox starts)
17:18:35linuxstbThis will reset your settings.
17:19:09qwmah. thanks. :)
17:19:36qwmrockbox is so much better to use than only read about.
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17:45:28Pilinuxstb: I think I ticked the boxes this time
17:45:52qwmhow come there's no rockboy for the nano? :D
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17:53:02linuxstbqwm: Because no-one's adapted the LCD code to the Nano yet.
17:53:43amiconnThe messy lcd code you mean ;)
17:55:00qwmargh. :)
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18:12:02*amiconn is somewhat shocked about the latest battery runtime test result :/
18:12:28amiconnObviously my recorder backlight draws 75 mA (white backlight mod) ...
18:12:48kingspawnamiconn: is it normal for the ipod nano to more or less charge out if I leave it overnight? the usb cable was connected, but the computer was off
18:13:28*amiconn has no idea
18:13:33kingspawnheh, k
18:13:41kingspawnjust thought i'd ask, you seem to be all about the batteries
18:14:28amiconnYe, but (1) I don't have a nano, and (2) I wouldn't leave such a device connected if I power off the pc
18:15:03amiconnI guess in my case it would still charge, 'cause I usually connect devices to an externally powered usb hub
18:15:19amiconn(too few usb sockets on this laptop)
18:15:54kingspawnI'll disconnect it tonight and have a look
18:17:01amiconnIn case the connected usb cable forces the nano to stay in disk mode even when the pc is off, then the battery will surely be drained
18:17:35preglowwhich is what i told you...
18:17:55preglowalways listen to preglow, i say
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18:34:17amiconnI experienced a strange bug today that looks like being playlist related, but may be hwcodec only and rather hard to reproduce on anything else than Ondio
18:34:42*amiconn would like to know whether the playlist handling is thread safe
18:35:37amiconnI added another folder to my playlist (because only one track was left), and the track change most probably happened during addition of the other tracks
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18:36:47amiconnThen the new track didn't start. Playtime didn't advance from 0:00, although the unit didn't hang. Pause/unpause didn't help
18:36:58amiconnStop & resume fixed the problem
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18:50:03pixelmaamiconn: I can't reproduce this behaviour, though the first try produced a short glitch in the first song (sounded like starting off a second time after a few seconds _and it shouldn't have been the first song on the list) the other times a tried everything was fine
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18:56:43pixelmaamiconn: but I tried with inserting songs from the internal memory, maybe I should try with songs that are saved on the MMC
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19:10:20amiconnpixelma: Shouldn't matter.
19:11:05amiconnHowever, the way the playlist was built might be important, because it determines the contents of .playlist_control
19:11:48preglowthink i find a playback engine bug
19:12:07Mikachuokay, thinking
19:12:14amiconnWhat I did: First album was added normally, by starting the first track in a folder. No shuffle. The second album was added somewhat later, by selecting playlist->insert last on the folder
19:12:27preglowi pressed skip back JUST as a track was finishing
19:12:40preglownow i'm stuck on that track no matter how many times i press backwards
19:12:52preglowtrack starts again and all, but progres indicator is always at full
19:12:52kingspawnthats what you get
19:13:10amiconnWhen the bug happened, I added the 3rd album (also via playlist->insert last on the folder) just when the track changed from the 2nd last to the last track of the 2nd album
19:13:38pixelmait makes no difference if it's on internal or external
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19:14:23preglowkingspawn: you smell
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19:14:43preglowmore like reek
19:14:48aquilacan any body tell me where is bootloader??
19:14:48amiconnFurthermore, this was only a few seconds after resuming the playlist
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19:15:09pixelmashall I go on trying?
19:15:13kingspawnpreglow: I cant help it. Atleast its just me, and not my whole kinsfolk
19:15:28kingspawns/whole/all of, if you want to
19:15:34kingspawnor dont
19:15:38kingspawn... since that makes it even worse
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19:18:04*amiconn hates unreproducable bugs
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19:21:08preglowalso, peak meter seems to stop when i press pause and have volume fading enabled
19:21:11preglowwhich it shouldn't
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19:40:19buraiantoHey all. Is there any documentation on the tag cache config file format?
19:40:31buraiantoI didn't see it on the tagcache wiki page nor in the manual.
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19:43:13BCMMconvbdf keeps segfaulting, does anyone else get this problem?
19:43:37BCMMi have a backtrace...
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19:46:56BCMMdoes anyone know how to convert TTF files to BDF in fontforge? I think convbdf might be crashing because it doesn;t like files from otf2bdf
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19:53:48XavierGrwhat is better performance wise: to make 10 saperate ifs or stack them all in one if with ORs?
19:54:34Piwould yo be beter to have a case statment?
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19:55:05Pisorry, switch statment
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19:55:44XavierGrbecause theu are varios conditions
19:55:53XavierGrnot a single variable.
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19:59:48buraiantodo you do the same thing in each case?
20:00:14buraiantoOR statements do a short circuit once it finds one true statement
20:00:25PiI am not entyerly shure what you are trying to do but i think you want else if
20:00:31XavierGrthere are a lot of conditions which if 1 is true I must exit the function
20:00:40buraiantodo an or
20:00:40XavierGr(1 of them)
20:00:58XavierGryes better or
20:01:09XavierGrbecause it will exit on the first not met condition
20:01:19XavierGrwith multiple if it will just execute them all
20:02:50buraiantoput the statement most likely to be true at the front of your list
20:02:57buraiantounless it is less understandable/readable
20:03:19buraiantoor you can't really tell what is more likely
20:03:56flamingcowwhat's the cfg file setting for clear backdrop?
20:04:06flamingcowthe cfg docs don't seem to have it
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20:09:38EbErTi recently installed rockbox on 60g photo ipod
20:10:00EbErThas trouble when connected to regular power, keeps rebooting
20:12:01oboEbErT: hold down the menu button as you connect the power
20:12:21EbErTok, thx
20:12:40*EbErT wishes there were more photo ipod themes posted
20:12:48EbErTanyone know alternate sites with them?
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20:17:41EbErTis there way to alternately boot to native os on ipod?
20:17:54Mikachuother than holding the menu button at boot?
20:20:55EbErToh, doh, ok
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20:25:01PaulJamThere are also lots of themes at (i think photo and h300 have the same displaydimensions)
20:25:29EbErTno compatability issues with that?
20:25:40EbErTbleh, i changed a setting so the sound stops and starts
20:25:54EbErTwhat's the biggest culprit of that, loading cache on ram?
20:26:19PaulJammost tome this happens with a WPS with peakmeters
20:26:26Pijust be carefull, some require extra patches not included in cvs
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20:26:56EbErTyeah, i don't mess with those yet
20:27:11EbErTi think it was a setting that did it tho
20:27:26PaulJammaybe equalizer
20:30:34EbErTyeah, that's probably it
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20:34:50Jabbahi, anyone who knows something about electronics here? a (former) friend of mine put 12V into my iriver h120, and, well, it won't start again. i've ripped it apart and can clearly see what part of it that did burn. is it possible to replace it and is it possible that it's the only part of the device which is broken?
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20:35:30Jabbathe burned part is the one marked "107 63V" below the round "100" thing on the left side at
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20:50:23preglowJabba: it's probably beyond repair
20:50:40preglowJabba: h1x0 have a tendency to fry the cpu itself when you apply too much voltage
20:50:47Jabbaoh ok :(
20:50:48Jabbai see
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20:51:04preglowbut i know some people have tried
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20:52:48Jabbawell, the "friend" actually got an ipod mini with a broken disk, i guess my disk should be ok and it's the same format as the one in the mini right?
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20:53:28preglowhell no
20:53:36preglowthe h1x0 one is a 1.8" disk
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20:53:42preglowthe one in the mini is very different
20:54:15Jabbareally? :(
20:54:50preglowthey're wildly different sise
20:55:00Jabbai see
20:55:08Jabbawell, thanks for your help anyway
20:55:23Jabbathen it will be harder for the 'friend' to make it up to me hehe
20:55:31preglowi'd demand a new h1x0 for sure
20:55:33preglowthey're nice players
20:55:35preglowmy favourite
20:55:40Jabbait was nice :)
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21:01:49XavierGr3 implementations of minesweeper discover() and all are wrong!!!!
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21:05:52ts-xJabba: If you're located in US/Canada there are a bunch of new H120 & H140's on ebay right now for a very good price. I just picked up a new H120 for $130...
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21:07:06Jabbats-x: oh cool, only problem is i'm located in the cold scandinavia :)
21:07:26Jabbai'll check what the shipping is to europe
21:07:33amiconnXavierGr: Then write one which is correct ;)
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21:07:59ts-xJabba: Ouch...I'm just adding to your torture then :)
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21:08:48peturthat samsung site is bloody slow...
21:10:14ts-xJabba: Looks like they do not ship internationally :(
21:10:28Jabbayeah i saw it :(
21:11:22ts-xThe irony of it is that the version they have for sale is the silver international version we could never get before
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21:18:47dpassen2ts-x: How much approximately for a new H140? My 120 is slowly running out of space.
21:18:56preglowcan't get them new
21:18:58preglownot easily, at least
21:19:13dpassen2<ts-x> Jabba: If you're located in US/Canada there are a bunch of new H120 & H140's on ebay right now for a very good price. I just picked up a new H120 for $130...
21:20:12thegeekthat's a daamn good price
21:20:35dpassen2Yeah, thats why I ask about a 140. For that price, I couldn't afford not to at least get a backup.
21:20:59ts-xdpassen2: Looks to be ~$200 =>
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21:21:34preglowfor that price, i'd get one
21:21:39dpassen2Me too
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21:24:33dpassen2In fact, I probably will when I get my next paycheck
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21:27:09peturlinuxstb ?
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21:27:45dpassen2That's fairly annoying
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21:30:45linuxstbpetur: Yes?
21:31:18peturwhat should I download from samsung?
21:31:48peturthe 2410 was about 30 items (22MB)
21:32:04peturand there are 5 more to go...
21:34:27linuxstbIt's hard to say - I've no idea what Apple will be using...
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21:35:14peturI would be surprised if they would remove those datasheets when apple starts using a chip of them...
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21:35:47linuxstbSo would I to be honest.
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21:37:58preglowpetur: back from drinking belgian beer and you're still coherent? disappointing
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21:38:17peturonly had 3 Leffe's...
21:38:31petursome call it practice :P
21:38:42preglowi call it a will of steel
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21:45:25flamingcowso, does it make me a complete geek if i built a rockbox theme to match the ipod case i just bought? :)
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21:48:50preglownah, it just means you have bad taste :)
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21:51:53XavierGramiconn: thanks for cheering up but I am tired. I think I will search the internet for the right nonrecursive algorithm.
21:52:26PiJust noticed that the manual mentions nothing about the fonts package!
21:53:59preglowrockbox 3.0 will come with fonts bunbled
21:54:03preglowbundled too
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21:54:47*petur thinks preglow has been drinking beer again ;)
21:55:00preglow'fraid not
21:55:26preglowjust my total lack of typing skills showing
21:55:28Piok (still catching people out though)
21:55:40preglownot that i wouldn't like a beer, though
21:56:27*Pi wanders of to the kitchen for a beer
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22:02:40peturlinuxstb: interested in some samsung datasheets or shall I just keep 'm here?
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22:05:00Paul_The_NerdApparently FLAC + disk powerdown is too fast for a 5 second buffer.
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22:07:53linuxstbpetur: Yes thanks, I'ld be interested.
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22:09:57sharpei bring the gift of happy!
22:10:27peturlinuxstb: PM
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22:32:00*amiconn reminds the playback gurus that the buffer level calculation for swcodec needs a bit more intelligence
22:32:20amiconn(regarding Paul_The_Nerd's remark)
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23:00:56webguest65quickhelp anyone ipod 5g how to get back to file list
23:01:04sharpefrom the wps?
23:01:13webguest65yes or wherever
23:01:23sharpefrom the wps, you can press select...
23:01:47sharpefrom the menu, you can just press menu until it gets back to the browser or wps...
23:02:07webguest65sometimes work sometimes not; still figuring it out. I'll play more and come back...thx
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23:10:06qwmdoes it require lots of effort to make rockboy run on the nano? :p
23:10:53petursomebody was already working on it iirc
23:11:02BHSPitMonkey_just download it, and run it
23:11:14qwmpetur: who? how's progress?
23:11:29BHSPitMonkey_wait... don't even have to download it :P
23:11:33sharpewell, it can't be me. :)
23:11:36petursorry, I have a terribly bad memory
23:11:48qwmBHSPitMonkey_: hm?! :p
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23:18:02sharpeangry emotion!!!
23:18:15XavierGrMy bloody function was right from the start, but the x, y positions were inverted!!!!!
23:18:25sharpesucks doesn't it?
23:18:28XavierGrIt took me all day just to realise that!!!!
23:18:54XavierGrI got confused because the original author want's to put the y first instead of x
23:18:57sharpei think mine are reveresed, however i reverse them when i use them, so the variable y is actually x, and vice versa. doesn't bother me.
23:20:03sharpethis being in the c64 emulator.
23:20:13XavierGroufff :(
23:20:32XavierGrall day wasted for such a trivial thing
23:21:01sharpei need to figure out what's wrong with the loading of savestates, since i've implemented the menu
23:21:31sharpeand why one entry is repeated
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23:34:35XavierGrat least now we have a non-recursive function that won't stack overflow half of the targets. :)
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23:38:26nefertumhi, if I install rockbox in a iPod nano, will I be able to play mp3 and ogg files without install any other thing in it?
23:38:49preglowrockbox can play mp3 and ogg
23:38:54nefertumand the other codecs?
23:39:01preglowwhich other codecs?
23:39:18nefertummmm, i've read something about some codecs in the webpage
23:39:27preglowwell, rockbox supports the codecs it supports
23:39:34preglowif they're listed as working on, then they're working
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23:42:18nefertumpreglow: while the rockbox instalation, it could not work again?
23:42:30nefertumor it's possible always to reset the firmware?
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23:43:55sharpenefertum: if you mean 'is it possible to brick my ipod by installing rockbox' then, no. it's not. at least, without some sort of physical shock/concussion with a brick and your ipod.
23:44:43nefertumand, it supports all the iPod nano? or it depends on the version?
23:44:58nefertumI mean, perhaps the first ipod nano are not equal the actual ones
23:45:05sharpethey're the same.
23:46:11nefertumsharpe: sorry...and...rockbox doesnt use linux as kernel no?
23:46:21preglowwe use our own
23:46:29nefertummmm, very interesting :)
23:46:38sharpehehe, i don't mind answering questions... even when they're not asked of me...
23:48:28preglowmood swings
23:48:45preglowextreme bipolar
23:49:09sharpemanic depressive bipolar schizotypical!
23:50:17sharpewoo mental illnesses.
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