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#rockbox log for 2006-05-20

00:00:24Black_Like_a_catI just got this mp4 player off of ebay... It's obviously from china and the functionality is completely backwards. would it be dificult to configure roxbox for it
00:00:57sharpeis it supported by rockbox?
00:00:59Black_Like_a_catwould I just need to find out the processor, DSP, etc. and then compile a build for it
00:01:08Black_Like_a_catI don't think so
00:01:15buraiantohi guys. does anyone know if there is any documentation on the tagcache config file format?
00:01:16Black_Like_a_catIt's not even a brand name
00:01:16sharpethen yes, it would be difficult.
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00:04:50buraiantoanyone? tagcache config format?
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00:07:07preglowgltter says the wavpack bug is fixed
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00:10:45buraiantook, I found some information on tagnavi.config on the irc log for april 16th.
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00:11:27buraianto= is exact match, ^ is starts with, ~ is appears anywhere in the tag, etc.
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00:31:22sharpewhat to do...
00:31:39buraiantosharpe: eat pizza
00:31:45sharpeit's frozen.
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00:36:22sharpei can...
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00:42:17dj-funo more feature freeze! i want to see some hax
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00:42:34sharpeare you protesting the feature freeze? :)
00:43:33dj-fucan we like have a 3d rendered wps screen
00:43:44dj-fuwhich shows a 3d visualisation of decoding
00:43:59dj-fuand uh, smp processor support
00:44:04sharpepossibly... but i doubt it, would take a lot of cpu time to render it...
00:44:16dj-futhat's true
00:44:19dj-fubut it would be so cool.
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00:46:17sharpei need to think of something to do
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00:49:03buraiantowell I'm going home
00:49:09buraiantothere's something to do :)
00:49:27sharpei've been home the past four hours...
00:49:33Genre9mp3Hey, after some tests I made I found out this: When you have a line with text in a wps, if you try to load a bmp at the same height with the line, the bmp won't show up. But, if you make the line scroll with the "%s" tag, then this doesn't happen (the bmp shows up as it should) but if the bmp is at the same area where the text is, it hides it. I think this is not normal behavior, is it?
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00:50:01sharpeGenre9mp3: i've no idea.
00:50:17Genre9mp3It's probably a bug on the wps system
00:51:08Genre9mp3The bms SHOULD show up with no-scrolling lines
00:52:32nefertummm, sorry
00:52:37Genre9mp3^The bmps
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01:35:53kingspawndamn, wrong widnow
01:36:53midkit damn well better be.
01:37:02preglowhe's usually in very festive channels
01:38:25midkyes he damn well is.
01:39:30midkthat 'damn' better be at something damn well important to justify your use of that damn strong word.
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01:40:32earHertz_I'm have a linker problem. anyone want to help me?
01:40:42midkhell no.
01:40:49midkmostly because i'm leaving right now. bbi 20-ish.
01:40:51midksorry. :(
01:40:53preglowi've got a sweet tooth for extreme cursing
01:40:54midkpreglow does.
01:40:55earHertz_ eh
01:40:57afruff23is there any current replacement for databox without having to use the old tagdatabse?
01:41:00midkpreglow, take it up a notch.
01:42:31afruff23are you guys drunk?
01:43:00sharpelegally i'm not allowed to.
01:43:01preglowi wish i was
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01:43:20preglowno, not that either
01:43:32sharpenope... i have no desire to do so either...
01:43:34preglowjust tired
01:43:44sharpei'm just bored.
01:43:48afruff23so go to sleep
01:43:49kingspawndamn you all to hell
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01:44:37earHertz_I'm getting the following wrror when I try to make:
01:44:39earHertz_LD rockboxui.exe
01:44:41earHertz_/home/rockbox/code/rockbox-devel/recorderSim/apps/filetree.o: In function `ft_build_playlist':
01:44:42earHertz_/home/rockbox/code/rockbox-devel/apps/filetree.c:59: multiple definition of `_ft_build_playlist'
01:44:44earHertz_/home/rockbox/code/rockbox-devel/recorderSim/apps/filetree.o:/home/rockbox/code/rockbox-devel/apps/filetree.c:59: first defined here
01:48:44preglowsounds like something wrong on your end
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01:48:54XavierGrnights in #rockbox are pretty strange these days... :p
01:49:25XavierGrall sort of stuff, trolls, confession, drunkness e.t.c
01:49:27afruff23why isn't tetrox in the pluginindex?
01:50:25preglowXavierGr: the trolls are pretty much 24/7
01:50:41preglowand the confessions are pretty much a result of drunkenness :P
01:50:50preglowin one way or another
01:50:55earHertz_running nm, I can't find any other object file with ft_build_playslist frined in it
01:52:12Genre9mp3Ok...I have a confession to make......I'm obsessed to Rockbox! :)
01:52:21*XavierGr too
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01:52:49*Rondom ist durnken
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01:55:44preglowand german
01:56:10kingspawni mean beer
01:56:38afruff23Is databox reimplementation planned for 3.0 or 3.1 release or not at all?
01:56:50preglowwhat did databox do?
01:56:56preglowcan't tagcache do some searching already?
01:56:58afruff23make smart playlists on the go
01:57:03preglowgod knowsn
01:57:07preglownot 3.0, that's fore sure
01:57:24XavierGrso the release is going to be on 29 right?
01:57:28preglowgod knows
01:57:35preglowit probably is
01:57:41XavierGr(though with this progress I really doubt it)
01:57:43afruff23god, when does 3.0 come out?
01:58:06XavierGrtoo many fronts, bugs and patches open :P
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02:00:08preglowit's supposed to be released anyway
02:00:59XavierGryes but....
02:04:00preglowyes but what?
02:04:15preglowa two year feature freeze sure as hell isn't going to help us advance
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02:08:34XavierGrpreglow: of course not. The but was rheoticall. It is sad to see such low activity on a feature freeze.
02:08:44preglowit's always like this
02:08:53preglowat least the times i've seen
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02:09:39XavierGryes I remember that on 2.5 too, pity...
02:11:18Genre9mp3I didn't knew about rockbox on 2.5....that's pity
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02:12:53Genre9mp3XavierGr: Why you didn't pull me from my hair and introduce rockbox to me earlier?? :D
02:13:21XavierGrYou only had a crappy Treo for an mp3 player then, don't you remember?
02:13:34Genre9mp3I try not to...
02:13:56XavierGrAlso I was sure to show off my rockboxed iHP-160 back then! :P
02:14:58Genre9mp3I should have tried to put an 100GB HDD in that TREO...that would be a show off! :-P
02:15:28preglowXavierGr: people aren't that eager to fix bugs, apparently
02:15:43preglowi know i'm not. i try to fix my own bugs, but right now, i've got other stuff to do
02:16:10XavierGrI don't blame anyone, it is just a little bit sad.
02:16:57XavierGrI am trying to bugfix a little but my knowledge is limited (or my ignorance unlimited) so I stay to shallow bugfixes and addtions.
02:17:05XavierGron of them was minesweeper today :D
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02:18:23preglowbugfixing isn't always simple
02:18:31preglowyou have to dive into code parts you don't know
02:18:36preglownot the funniest thing in the world
02:19:04XavierGrI know, I tried to bugfix a viewer one. It tool my all day and I didn't managed to solve it.
02:19:34XavierGr^me (crap my spelling is sh*t)
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03:19:34qwmi'm so extremely frustrated.
03:19:37qwmi'm not down.
03:19:45qwmand i feel rather happy.
03:19:47qwmbut i'm frustrated.
03:20:02qwmirc is so lovely sometimes.
03:20:06qwmeven speaking to myself like this..
03:20:09qwmfeels good.
03:20:12dj-fushut face pls
03:20:24qwmeven that felt good.
03:20:29sharpei'm going to try to implement a debugger in the emulator.
03:20:38dj-futhat's a marvellous idea, sharpe.
03:20:46qwmthe gameboy emulator?
03:20:49dj-fuI'm sure you will be applauded if you manage it
03:20:55dj-funo, the rb emulator (or so I assume)
03:20:57midkc64 emu, qwm.
03:21:01sharpeqwm: c64
03:21:04qwmoh my.
03:21:06qwmthat's awesome.
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03:21:16qwmnsf and sid..
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03:31:57sharpenote to self, be sure to *not* save the new source file in the build directory...
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03:39:35sharpei wonder why it seems that puts() does not display text after using menus...
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03:40:37webguest66hello i'd like to ask someone some advice
03:40:45webguest66if thats alright
03:44:02webguest66i had made my screen black
03:44:06webguest66and didnt know how to fix it
03:44:22webguest66ive just booted it with the hold button on and it cleared the settings
03:44:28webguest66its working now
03:45:17webguest66where does rockbox store its settings?
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03:45:55sharpeyou mean, the general settings, not the themes right?
03:46:05webguest66i mean i messed up my settings
03:46:18webguest66so i restored the firmware
03:46:20sharpethey're off the fat32 partition, in special sectors...
03:46:27webguest66oh right
03:46:56webguest66so if i restored the apple firmware would they still know i had flashed it
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03:48:05sharpeyou didn't really flash it, more or less, wrote the bootloader to the disk.
03:48:34sharpei really doubt it would be obvious that you had used rockbox if you restored the apple firmware
03:48:45webguest66good good
03:48:58webguest66i really appreciate the information
03:49:19sharpeyou're welcome
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03:49:55webguest66ive already panicked myself tonight thinking i had bricked it
03:50:05webguest66just needed to hold the reset down for a bit longer
03:50:25sharpeit's very hard to brick an ipod with rockbox, without actually using a brick...
03:50:27webguest66i was getting ready to type a "first reported bricked nano"
03:51:00webguest66oh the flaming i would have had
03:51:09webguest66im appreciating my ipod all the more now though
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03:51:30webguest66in a way its been a good thing, ive managed to get my sisters ipod charging now too
03:51:41sharpeas the emergency diskmode is built in to the ipod's firmware (?) ... as far as i know.
03:51:56webguest66yeah ive only discovered that today
03:52:11webguest66im normally pretty clued up on stuff but well, i havent had a reason to poke around
03:52:11sharpediscovered that when attempting ipodlinux, myself.
03:52:28webguest66i just installed this because i wanted to play some ogg files
03:52:45webguest66and just use a normal tree structure as the files i was importing didnt have the right info tags
03:52:59webguest66did you ever listen to the ricky gervais podcast?
03:53:13webguest66its really funny
03:53:17webguest66well i like it
03:53:31sharpeheh, okay.
03:53:32webguest66it used to be free, but now you have to pay for it
03:53:37webguest66you from the states?
03:53:53sharpei need to take a screenshot of the c64 emulator...
03:53:56webguest66hes the guy who wrote the office
03:54:11webguest66and done some other stuff, a simpsons episode recently
03:54:15sharpei see
03:54:28webguest66check out thte first episode off soulseek or something, you might like it
03:54:43webguest66and c64... bah... its all about the amiga 500!
03:54:50webguest66and the tunes of chris huelsbeck
03:54:56webguest66oh turrican how i love you so
03:54:59sharpebut there's not a somewhat working amiga emulator for rockbox
03:55:19webguest66is there a c 64 one?!!?!
03:55:37sharpeit's what i am working on...
03:55:59webguest66i am impressed
03:56:03webguest66you write in C?
03:56:24sharpea little...
03:56:33webguest66whats your main language then?
03:56:35sharpeyou mean, do i use just c?
03:56:49webguest66just interested in what you write in
03:57:06sharpeeh, c, c#... that's about it i suppose...
03:57:14webguest66i write
03:57:16sharpehowever rockbox is written in just c
03:57:21webguest66but only in Fortran
03:57:41webguest66bit old skool but i like it
03:58:35webguest66only use it academically for physics stuff
03:58:40webguest66oh the nerd that i am
03:58:58webguest66id like to learn some C one day
03:59:13sharpeit's pretty easy once you get the hang of it...
03:59:51webguest66maybe that
04:00:01webguest66will be something to keep me busy over the summer
04:00:21webguest66btw if you get your emulator up and running please make sure giana sisters works on it
04:00:28webguest66and treasure island dizzy
04:00:57webguest66this is no laughing matter!
04:01:03sharpeeveryone wants to play a certain game for it... i just started writing it because i had nothing else to do...
04:01:04webguest66i need the sisters on my ipod!
04:01:15webguest66well the pressure is on you now
04:01:44sharpeheh, i'll have a screenshot of the emulator in a few moments...
04:02:03webguest66just write an xp emulator and then we can use the emulators written for windows
04:02:36webguest66sorry its late and im talking rubbish
04:02:42sharpei doubt any player could emulate an x86 that fast...
04:03:22sharpei hardly get 120% cpu emulation at 22.22 fps...
04:04:06sharpewhich is kind of funny, considering it's emulating a 1MHz cpu... on a 75MHz one... (ipod video)
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04:05:31webguest66have you ever seen a GP32
04:05:37sharpewebguest66: aye
04:05:43sharpei've thought about getting one before
04:05:53sharpethat's trademarked!
04:06:09midkaywho gives a schitt!
04:06:23webguest66well thankyou very much for your help sharpe
04:06:29sharpewebguest66: you're welcoem
04:06:40webguest66good luck with your emulator development
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04:08:40sharpei somewhat helped a person
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04:11:04pjoanbody is using BlackGlass wps ?
04:12:17pjoWhen BlackGlass is launched, at the Top Left error message is displayed
04:12:42midkaywhat's the error?
04:12:42pjobg.bmp ! and pb.bmp ! but these files are there in WPS.
04:13:04midkaymaybe the wps loads them incorrectly..
04:13:21pjois BlackGlass no good for Photo ?
04:14:08midkayis it?
04:14:11midkaywhere did you get it from?
04:14:30midkayah, you're probably right.. if the BG and/or progress bar are too big you'll probably end up with an error.
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04:14:57pjoif WPS loads them incorrectly, is there any workarpund ? I got this from the ‚†‚‚’‚•‚‰Ή‚a‚Œ‚‚ƒ‚‹‚f‚Œ‚‚“‚“
04:15:43pjomany typos
04:15:49midkayum, what's that? plaintext please..
04:16:28pjoIf WPS loads them incorrectly, is there any workaround ? I got it from the BlackGlass forum
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04:17:16midkaythe blackglass forum?
04:17:22midkayit would say what model it was for.
04:17:23pjoi mean BlackGlass thread
04:17:42midkay*For 5G iPod*
04:18:45pjoso WPS for 5G does not work for Photo ?
04:19:19midkayno, generally WPS' for other screen sizes will not work.
04:19:33pjotoo bad
04:19:45pjoI wanted to test the album art patch
04:20:02midkayyou could compile it..
04:20:51pjodo you know if the author of BlackGlass senab comes here ?
04:21:36midkayi haven't seen him.
04:21:55pjoi wanted to chat with him
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04:22:20pjoHis name is Chris Banes
04:22:57pjoanyway I will try to run iCatch WPS
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04:25:13pjoHey! iCather works OK for the Album Art
04:25:41ashridahrofl. for a second then i thought that said iCatheter
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04:34:25Link9064Hi, I'm having a problem with my Archos Jukebox FM Recorder 20
04:35:24Link9064I have opened it up recently to find that some of the case/board points broken, and when removing my harddrive accidently broke another, it started throwing me a ata: -11 error, and after resoldering those points it gives me teh same thing
04:35:47Link9064Does anyone have any suggestions?
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04:54:35sharpeeh, i finally got around to taking a new screenshot of the c64 emulator...
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04:57:27midkaywe want to see it.
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05:01:27midkaywhether we're going to get to is another thing entirely. sharpe!
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05:07:01sharpenot much different from the last ones.
05:07:52midkayah. still awesome. :D
05:09:08sharpei suppose bitmapmode should work, but i've no real way of testing it.
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05:09:42sharpealso, i've implemented a menu for saving/loading, and in the future a memory editor.
05:10:33sharpethe odd thing is, after entering and leaving a menu, puts() no longer prints the text...
05:11:17midkayyay and aww.
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05:11:41sharpeyep... not sure why it does it either.
05:12:48earHertz_how do I use logf?
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05:13:49earHertz_sharpe: is your char* still pointing to valid data?
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05:17:19earHertz_sharpe: wanna posrt the code somewhere?
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05:19:40sharpeer... what part?
05:20:58earHertz_the puts() that isn't working
05:21:16sharpeit's any puts()
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05:23:36earHertz_what are you passing it? is it returning EOF?
05:23:49midkayearHertz_, you're asking all the wrong questions.
05:23:57earHertz_midkay: probbaly ;)
05:24:08midkaywhat you should be asking is, what are you passing your mother? and is she returning EOF?
05:24:26earHertz_midkay: you're full of piss and vinegar tonight
05:24:35midkayi know she is, but what am i.
05:24:56midkayearHertz_, i'll never forget the time you called one of my animations phallic.
05:25:05earHertz_I did?
05:25:17earHertz_what was it?
05:25:22earHertz_the aninimation, I mean
05:25:31midkaya tubular ship.
05:25:43earHertz_like a submrine?
05:25:53midkayyes, even more tubular though.
05:26:11earHertz_a submarine, that's a ship that's long and hard and full of seamen, right?
05:27:09earHertz_why were you animating a tubeular ship?
05:27:19midkaybecause it made me hard.
05:27:22midkayoh. wait.
05:27:23midkayi mean.
05:27:25midkayi felt like it.
05:27:40earHertz_compiling under cygwin takes forever
05:28:10midkayhaving your mother do it manually, however, takes forever+1.
05:28:14midkayjust kidding. alright.
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05:54:41sharpei think...
05:54:46sharpei'm going to head to sleep...
05:55:41sharpeg'night everyone.
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06:10:37EbErTdoes tag cacheing have to be redone every time a new rockbox build is put on?
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06:20:18EbErTdoes tag cacheing have to be redone every time a new rockbox build is put on?
06:24:12earHertz_EbErT: only if teh tagcache format changes; irt uses a version header to chack for that
06:24:13EbErTgrr, it hangs up now on tag cache
06:24:32EbErTcan't handle that many files or something..
06:24:48earHertz_I've got 8500 or so in tagcache
06:24:50EbErTi also wish you could view the id3 menus and playlists at the same time
06:25:12EbErTi'm using ipod, build from yesterday
06:25:20earHertz_me too
06:25:44EbErTgah, why could it do this
06:25:53EbErTmy actual filenames are a mess
06:27:12earHertz_ipod munges filenames
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06:31:21EbErTdoes it read tag cache in the background without me telling it?
06:31:43EbErThow long would you think it'd take for 5600 songs
06:32:12EbErTanyone can answer btw :)
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06:35:00xataxno idea...
06:35:09xataxcan i ask something kinda OT?
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06:37:12earHertz_EbErT: not long: took me about 15 mins at most for 8500
06:37:22earHertz_xatax: what?
06:37:39EbErTdid you have to force tag cache earHertz_
06:37:48earHertz_EbErT: yeah
06:37:58EbErTyeah, that's where it hangs up
06:38:17earHertz_run chkdsk on the ipod
06:38:28EbErTthat a plugin?
06:38:45earHertz_no, plug in the ipod to the usb, and chkdsk it from yourt pc
06:39:21EbErTi use a mac. what am i looking for a.k.a- what does chkdsk do
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06:39:49earHertz_whatever mac uses to check disk integrity
06:40:29midkayearHertz_, yo..
06:40:51earHertz_ EbErT fsck is the linux name of chksdsk
06:40:56earHertz_midkay: hmm?
06:41:02midkay<earHertz_> midkay, still here?
06:41:15earHertz_midkay: oh, I figured it out
06:41:27EbErTheh, thought u were cussing with the fsck :)
06:41:35midkayhaha, i used to think that too.
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06:41:48earHertz_EbErT: yeah, I thought so, dso I clarified. fsck really is teh name
06:45:33midkayyou mean 'fsck!'.
06:45:45earHertz_no, i mean crap
06:45:56midkayin that case.
06:45:58midkaywhat's up.
06:46:02earHertz_you know where teh button queue is defined?
06:46:14midkaythe button queue?
06:46:22midkaynot sure what you mean, but have you tried button.c?
06:46:29earHertz_well, trhe function that it calls, to post button presses
06:47:19midkaybutton crap should be in firmware/button.c (or was it firmware/drivers/button.c)
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06:47:35earHertz_yeah, that's where I've been mucking with teh code
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07:04:37EbErTit found an error of some sort
07:04:47EbErTshould i repair permissions, or repair disk?
07:05:05EbErTthe tricky part is, i'm using a disk utility for mac, and the ipod is formatted for pc
07:05:22EbErTbut it seems to read it pretty well
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07:16:40xataxhi, would it be possible to rockbox the Sansa e200 mp3 players?
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07:20:34midkayso he comes in, asks to ask a question, is given permission, waits 45 minutes, asks it, and waits two minutes for an answer before leaving.
07:20:37midkayhow.. queer.
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07:26:28pjoI have three m3u, at iPod_Control directory. Is it possible to play three m3u in sequence, ?
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07:34:12pjoCurrent setting is to play the same m3u forever
07:37:53*midkay shrugz.
07:39:32flamingcowpjo: never tried this, but can you add the m3us to a playlist?
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07:40:35RoC_MMand m3u is a playlist
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07:42:53flamingcowright, but one really should be able to group playlists into playlists
07:45:49pjook I will try to make another m3u which contains all three m3us
07:45:56midkaypjo, wait..
07:46:24midkaydid you try playing one, browsing back to the folder, bringing up the context menu and maybe you can "insert" or "queue" from the playlist menu?
07:46:35midkayi haven't tried it, but maybe you can add playlists together that way.
07:46:52pjoyou mean dynamic playlist ?
07:47:55midkayno, just adding the files in one playlist to the current one.
07:47:57pjoto be able o do this, continuous playing of songs in a m3u must be disabled
07:48:10pjocan I disable it ?
07:48:18midkayno idea what you're talking about.
07:48:32pjoif one m3u is played, it keeps playing all the songs in it
07:48:36midkayplay an m3u. and then 'insert' the other m3us.
07:48:39midkaythat's not dynamic.
07:48:45midkayare you listening?
07:48:51midkayinsert them, not play them.
07:48:54pjoyes i know it is not dynamic
07:49:34pjoinsert is fine, but after inserting several m3us will it play the next meu ?
07:49:48midkaythat's what i *speculated*. why don't you try it.
07:49:56pjoi will try
07:49:59midkaythey would be viewed as one playlist, the way i imagine it would work.
07:50:08midkayinserting all the entries from another playlist into the current one.
07:51:52pjoit looks like the context menu does not have insert entry
07:52:17midkayit may not, it was just an idea..
07:52:45pjoso I will try to create another m3u which has all m3us
07:52:56midkaymay work.
07:53:35pjobut tell me if there is a way to stop playing when the last song is played in an m3u
07:58:40ashridahpjo: change the repeat mode
07:58:48ashridahit defaults to repeat all
07:58:51pjorepeat mode is off
07:58:59pjoit has been so
07:59:02ashridahthen it'll stop at the end of the list
07:59:09ashridahwell. should
07:59:12pjoI am wondering why m3u is played forever
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08:07:36pjoI created an m3u which has 9 songs, when it played th3 9th, it stops.
08:07:51pjobut with three songs m3u, it plays forever
08:11:34pjoIs there any documentation on m3u in RockBox ?
08:13:24ashridahpjo: sounds more like a playlist bug. sadly. there's a few of them that are holding things up atm
08:14:19pjois there any development of RockBox for iAudio COWON A2 ?
08:15:02ashridahnot that i've heard, but if there is, it would be documented in the rockbox wiki on
08:15:26pjoit is not mentioned there
08:16:32ashridahthen there most likely hasn't been any interest in developing against it
08:19:26ashridahthat's not to say it's not impossible, but it requires effort, sacraficial hardware, and know-how, and much of the time, those are in short supply
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09:53:05rodrodhi to all, I found a problem on my g5 Ipod, when I turn on the equalizer; I get a regular silent gap while playback...
09:53:19rodrodany ideas?
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09:55:17Redbrevarodrod: basically, as the ipod is a very new port of Rockbox, there has not been much optimisation of the code done yet, as such trying to playback AND equalise is just a bit too much work for the processor
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09:56:40RedbrevaIt will improve over the comming months as the clever guys start to get to grips with the platform, and once Rls 3 is out the door (which is not targeting iPod)
09:59:16Ribsany ETA on rls3 ?
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10:02:59linuxstbThe announced date is 29th May at the latest.
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10:03:28rodrodthank you Redbreva, I'll try to davoid "very graphical" visual themes, it might help perfomance...
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10:06:11linuxstbThe main thing to avoid in a WPS is the peak meter.
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10:11:39midkayrodrod, also try to use as few bands as possible.. i use two EQ bands on my 5G for mp3 playback, and it's alright for me. i do get cut outs if i do rapid scrolling, but playback is smooth as long as i'm not screwing around.
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10:42:05linuxstbHas anyone else tried lowlight's fix for gapless MP3 after seeking? I've just tried it, and it works perfectly for me, but I only have one test gapless mp3 album.
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11:53:14linuxstbJdGordon: Does your latest text editor patch fix this bug?
11:53:48JdGordoni dunno.... im not even sure hwy that bug exsists...
11:54:24JdGordonhaha, ok..
11:54:32JdGordonif (!fd) :p.. thats wrong
11:56:07JdGordonok, so with that fix all is good.. except it crashes if u try to scroll a longish line... but its wierd coz im \0'ing the string well before the MAX_PATH limit from the list code..
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11:57:35linuxstbIs this with the CVS version, or your rewritten version? I'm assuming you think the new version should be in CVS for 3.0 ?
11:58:07JdGordonthe new version.. and yes, it should replace the current one..
11:58:31JdGordoncept im not happy with that bug, but i rekon its with the list or scrolling code.. not my code :p
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12:06:54linuxstbJdGordon: I'm looking at your text editor patch now. I've changed line 193 from "if (!fd)" to "if (fd < 0)" in save_changes().
12:07:15JdGordoni just uploaded a new version
12:07:26linuxstbAh... Anything else apart from that change?
12:07:41linuxstbOops, I was using the wrong version anyway....
12:07:43JdGordonhopefulyl a fix for the scrolll crash..
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12:16:36linuxstbJdGordon: It's in CVS now.
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13:39:51pjoHello again
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13:40:05pjopls help to insert playlist
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13:40:21pjocannot fing insert in the context menu
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13:40:33pjofing-> find
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13:42:15Piplaylist->insert isnt it?
13:42:19linuxstbpjo: What kind of file are you trying to insert into your playlist?
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13:44:06pjoplaying m3u, and I want to insert another playlist
13:44:46pjoplaylist menu does not show insert entry
13:45:25linuxstbIt does for me.
13:45:34Piare you using tagcash?
13:45:43pjoyes TagCache
13:46:17pjoalso I had patched albumart and related patches
13:46:28linuxstbI didnt' think you could view playlists at all from tagcache?
13:46:53linuxstbI mean from the "ID3 browser"...
13:46:57pjoit is in all mode for file brower
13:47:11Piok that is not it then
13:47:41linuxstbIn the file browser, if I select a .m3u file to play, then go back to the file browser, and go to the playlist menu, I see all the normal insert/queue options.
13:48:22pjohow do you go back to the file browser when m3u is being played ?
13:48:35Piperss select
13:49:13linuxstbIf you stop playback, then the playlist options disappear - they are only there when an existing playlist is playing.
13:50:08pjoyes when select is pushed , it goes back to file browser, how do I get insert there ?
13:50:12Mikachui think the connection between playlist editing and playback state is strange
13:50:19Mikachui had to ask three times to figure it out :)
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13:50:50pjoOh done
13:51:05pjobut How do I play the inserted playlist ?
13:51:55pjoyes it is strange, outrageously strange for me !
13:52:38pjoI am very old comuter tech guy and now I feel like a kid just leaning on computing
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13:53:28pjoI think what is needed for users, normal users, is good tutorilas based on animation
13:53:44pjoI might be able to do that
13:54:20*Pi thought the system made sence
13:56:12Pilinuxstb: did you have a look at my updated patch?
13:56:46pjowhich patch is this ? regarding Album Art ?
13:57:35pjopls tell me how to play the inserted m3u, now thanks to your advise, inserted m3us can be created
13:57:36Pino a menu patch:
13:58:52Pionce a song or playlist is inserted, it will be played after the current track is finneshed
13:59:32pjoCan I save the newly inserted m3u ?
14:00:25linuxstbPi: I had a quick look, but it looks like you (IMO) cheated and kept the menu functions returning bools...
14:01:12pjoso I cannot save it ?
14:02:07Piwoulden't using ints make the whole process much less efficent (a bool is much smaller than an int)
14:02:32linuxstbpjo: Yes - go to the playlist menu (I think it's in the main menu, and/or maybe the context menu in the WPS) and select save.
14:03:54pixelmait's in the wps context menu -> playlist -> save playlist
14:04:18PaulJamHi, is this a known bug: if you queue a song when the currently playing song is about to end, after the queued song finished playing the song that is shown in the WPS does not match the currently playing song and the remaining time shows something like −−6:-9
14:05:02pjooh I am screwed drinking Scotch Whisky !
14:05:11pjolet me clarify
14:05:19pjostart playing an m3u
14:05:23linuxstbPi: I don't think that will be significant. Even if it does use more space (which I'm not sure it will), it will only be on the stack.
14:05:28pjothen what ?
14:06:06MikachuPi: it's not like rockbox is going to try and close 10000 menus per second
14:11:04pjook I was able to save and play the saved inserted m3u. These operations are nightmare
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14:15:53linuxstbQuick C question: If "x" is a signed integer, is "if (x)" equivalent to "if (x!=0)" ?
14:17:05Mikachui think that's true for any type
14:20:36Slasherilinuxstb: yes
14:22:37linuxstbMikachu, Slasheri: Thanks.
14:32:09pjoExcuse me, to ask the same question again
14:32:16pjoI am screwed
14:32:45pjowhile playing the first m3u, how do I display file browser to browse other m3u ?
14:33:00pjoI tried to push select, the center button
14:34:44pjothe context menu is displayed
14:35:17Pionly push it for a shour time
14:35:27pjoso cannot do file browsing
14:35:37pjooh short !!!!!
14:35:45pjoI got it
14:38:30pjoAnother Q
14:38:41pjoI was able to insert three m3us
14:38:53pjo1st one has a,b,c
14:39:00pjo2nd has d,e,f
14:39:09pjo3rd has g,h,i
14:39:23pjobut when I view the m3u,
14:39:49pjoit is a, d,e,f,g,h,i,b,c
14:39:55pjohow come ?
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14:42:16PaulJampjo: if you want the playlist to be a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i then you neet to choose insert last when yuo add the playlists
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14:42:47pjooh I will check if therte is insert last option
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14:43:37PaulJami think the different insert and queue actions are described in the manual
14:44:05pjoIt works ! Thanks a million !
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14:46:24pjoYes I read through the manual before, but my brain is damaged by Sctch Whisky, so .....
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14:48:26pjoThe other thing, I know that AAC support is not perfect yet, but some AAc files can be palyed but others cannot with Data Abort. Is this because of the AAC codec ?
14:48:42pjoall of them are 128K
14:49:26linuxstbmidkay: Are you still planning on looking at this wormlet patch?
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14:51:32pjoThe other thing, while playing an m3u with mp3 192k, playing the second song, RockBox freezes !
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15:00:25preglowlinuxstb: does the playback engine strip id3v1 and id3v2 before loading to the buffeR?
15:01:15linuxstbI think so. At least, I remember seeing something somewhere that does that. Maybe playback.c
15:01:49preglowi'll test the patch with a couple of gapless albums i have now
15:01:57preglowif it works, i say we close the bug
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15:02:30linuxstbI agree - only 34 to go...
15:02:50preglowthere's an unregistered bug with my resampler too
15:02:53preglowbut i don't know if i have time to fix
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15:03:58preglowalso, the lang files need fixing to refer to the correct buttons
15:04:05preglowif that's not filed
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15:05:41pjosee you guys
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15:06:02Learlinuxstb: I've used the gapless patch too, and I haven't had any problems (not that I use mp3 that much...)
15:07:30preglowi say we close that patch
15:07:34linuxstbLear: That's good. Do you know anything about the "short vorbis files" bug?
15:07:41preglowit works fine on an album that always gave seek gapless problems
15:07:48linuxstbCool. I'll close it now.
15:08:23Learlinuxstb: nope, I don't have any files that are that short. :)
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15:08:46preglowrockbox in general has problems with short files
15:08:50preglowbut that one probably is a codec bug
15:09:10Learshould problably create a couple of files and try...
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15:12:43linuxstbpreglow: What do you think about glitter's wavpack bug? Shall we close it? It seems to be related to an old version of the playback engine.
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15:15:19Mikachui don't think asking for a new game is a "feature request"
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15:20:31LearHm.. Seem to work fine in the simulator at least...
15:21:16Hansmaulwurfargh, forgot the button controls on the iriver FW, shouldnt use rockbox too much
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15:22:08linuxstbXavierGr: I wish you had linked your patch (5349) with your bug report (5348) for the remote LCD scroll settings.... I fixed the bug this morning, but have just noticed your patch :(
15:22:45XavierGrI just saw that and I must say I was a little sad. Markun took the ownage of the patch to commit it.
15:22:58XavierGrbut you managed to catch up with him.
15:23:00linuxstbYes, but nothing was written in the bug report - and I was going through the bugs...
15:23:11preglowlinuxstb: i don't know, i've never experienced it anyway
15:24:17XavierGrBut I think that the patch isn't wasted, saperate remote scrolling options are needed anyhow. amiconn and markun agreed to that.
15:25:02linuxstbNo, your patch isn't wasted, but my bugfix should be reverted before your patch is applied.
15:25:14XavierGrlinuxstb: if you want more bugfixes you can look at my latest patches. (sort the tracker by open author)
15:25:19XavierGrahh :(
15:25:28*Mikachu likes bugzilla better than flyspray
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15:25:48linuxstbIMO, patches that fix bugs should be posted as comments to the bug.
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15:25:52XavierGrNext time I submit a patch I will make sure to report it on the bug tracker too.
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15:26:21linuxstbNo worries - it seems to be a common problem now that I'm starting to look at the patches.
15:27:05Mikachuit would be good if you could actually use the 'depends upon' and 'blocks these' features
15:27:24Mikachuit would make it more of a tracker instead of a pile of crap :)
15:27:30LearFails on target though... Interesting...
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15:28:30XavierGrMikachu I just did that on #4908. Is it right?
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15:28:50Mikachuhm, how do you do that?
15:29:07Mikachui think you have more-than-normal permissions
15:29:17XavierGrBagder gave it to me.
15:29:29XavierGrTo help bugfixong and duplicate reports
15:31:10XavierGrso is this right for commiters to see that there is a patch, or you need a comment too?
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15:39:02LearYep, metadata bug, can't handle files smaller than 64 KB. :)
15:40:12linuxstbIs there still a patch on the tracker which improves the metadata parser for Ogg?
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15:40:44LearYou mean the one that tweaked how it searched for the last page?
15:40:53LearI applied that one, IIRC. :)
15:41:15linuxstbOK - I wasn't sure if it had been committed.
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15:52:38XavierGrcan someone confirm bug #5041? It works perfectly for me.
15:53:59peturheh, wanted to look at that yesterday
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15:54:20peturworks for me, but shouldn't give an error if the name stays the same
15:54:25XavierGrthis relates to 5043 too.
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15:54:55linuxstbXavierGr: I've committed your jpeg viewer fixes, and am looking at your minesweeper patch now. Which targets have you tested the minesweeper patch on?
15:55:29XavierGrH100 H300 and ipod 5g on sim
15:55:40XavierGr(H100 and H300 on real targets)
15:55:48XavierGrlinuxstb: thanks :)
15:55:55linuxstbI'll try it on a real 5g then.
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16:02:29linuxstbXavierGr: minesweeper patch committed.
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16:05:07XavierGrlinuxstb: just to be sure do the following test on you 5g: Decrease level mine to 2% and on a full board unveil a tile.
16:05:22XavierGrOn previous minesweeper it would just crash.
16:07:33linuxstbThat seems to work fine. The ipod button mappings badly need rethinking in minesweeper though - something for later...
16:08:30XavierGryes I agree, though I didn't exactly how to change them because I didn't have one to test properly, I just left them as they were.
16:09:41Mikachulinuxstb: i had an idea for 2d scrolling on ipods that i've implemented in sudoku. if you start scrolling at the top or bottom, it's horizontal, if it's on the left or right side, it's vertical
16:10:00Mikachubut i haven't played sudoku a lot so i'm not sure if it's a good idea :)
16:11:23linuxstbSounds like a good idea to me. And it would free up valuable buttons.
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16:12:02Mikachuit needs lostlogics touch events to be usable though, as it is now you have to make sure the first scroll event is triggered when you're at the right place :)
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16:33:35LearTo "close" a bug report, should I just set precent complete to 100?
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16:34:15peturuse the closse task button
16:34:46peturleftmost button below the report
16:36:21LearAh, yes, see it now. I'm pretty sure I've used it before, but it eluded me now. :)
16:37:17PaulJampetur: can it be that with your backdrop fix it is not possible anymore to load a backdrop with a theme? when i select a theme with a menu backdrop it loads it fine, but when i enter the wps and exit it again, th emenu backdrop disappears.
16:38:36peturI'll check
16:38:43PaulJamok, thanks
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16:44:47PaulJampetur: i used arctic desert (you need to change the colours in the .cfg to the new format). it can be found here:
16:45:28peturyeah, but what device is it for?
16:45:47PaulJamh300/ipod photo
16:46:12peturah ok
16:46:57peturwow, there's a lot of themes up there :D
16:47:33PaulJamthis i a collection of the themes/wps posted at misticriver
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16:55:59peturPaulJam: can you tell me what you do exactly to trigger this? I don't see it go wrong here
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16:59:44PaulJampetur: reset settings, then load a theme with menu backdrop, then go to the wps and then go to the filebrowser
17:00:18Genre9mp3Just a heads up...I just uploaded an update of iCatcher WPS
17:01:08peturPaulJam: works here :/
17:01:09JdGordonlooks good
17:01:24PaulJamhmm, strange
17:02:19peturI do use a version patched for AGC but that should not interfere
17:03:26PaulJamim using a bleeding edge Ver. 060520-0737
17:03:33*Genre9mp3 now waits for Cassandra to do her tricks... :)
17:03:54peturPaulJam: I'll download that one just to be sure
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17:05:26JdGordongnite folks
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17:06:09PaulJampetur: did you enter the menu to load the theme from the wps?
17:06:23peturah yes
17:06:31peturand you did?
17:07:07PaulJamwhen the music i stopped when selecting the theme ithe bug does not happen
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17:08:34peturfails when loading the theme while music plays
17:08:58peturwas that working ok before my changes?
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17:09:22PaulJami think so, but i'm not sure
17:10:05peturI've got an RLI (real life interrupt), bbl
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17:16:15dpassenThose are non maskable ;-)
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17:29:48sharpewooo... eleven hours of sleep...
17:30:21Genre9mp3sharpe: refreshing, isn't it?
17:30:28gunpowdanot the best place, but does anyone here use ipodlinux too?
17:31:31sharpeGenre9mp3: yep. except for the headache. and the congestion. and somewhat of an inability to speak. it's refreshing.
17:32:05sharpei don't even think i'm sick...
17:32:19Genre9mp3A cup of coffe is always a good solution...
17:32:35sharpedon't like coffee...
17:33:41Genre9mp3Well, it works great for me...
17:34:25Genre9mp3...not always for the inability to speak, though! lol
17:34:33sharpeyep... not sure about that
17:37:10sharpei think i'll go try to fix everything. be back in a little ibt.
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19:14:06Novusanybody use an installer to install rockbox?
19:14:47Novusim ipods unc patch is not recognized?
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19:20:37Novusanybody here?
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19:35:43midkaylinuxstb, yes.. i wanted to make a few changes and commit it, thanks for the reminder. :)
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19:43:11sharpewow. i must either be doing something wrong, or i found a bug.
19:43:40midkaygood god, a BUG?
19:43:46sharpeyep. a BUG.
19:44:38*midkay sighs and is reminded of the brickmania bug he's having.
19:46:06sharpeactually i seem to be having a few.
19:46:45sharpewhen displaying a menu where i add items, the same item is repeated. even clearing the buffer for the item description before adding it doesn't work.
19:47:27sharpeputs() seems to suddenly not work after doing certain things too...
19:47:37midkaywhy can't stuff just work.
19:47:53midkayi guess because once you figure out the bug after many hours of painful work you feel so good.
19:48:00midkaybut in some cases you don't figure it out. so..
19:48:13sharpei'm pretty sure the menu thing isn't my fault though...
19:48:55midkaythe stupid whoever-designed-the-menu-code-guy's fault.
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19:57:38sharpeit just seems to not update the area where i print the text using puts()... after using the menus anyway.
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19:59:19peturdoing puts() on the same location?
19:59:33sharpesame text too.
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19:59:50peturyou need to clear the area yourself
19:59:57peturI think
20:00:05sharpewould lcd_clear_display() work?
20:00:19peturwill clear the whole screen
20:00:26peturso yes
20:00:34sharpewell, it doesn't seem to :)
20:01:20peturI can have a look later on
20:01:47sharpei'll see if it happens with just using lcd_puts() and a menu...
20:07:04*petur doesn't understand why installing a graphics card also installs so many useless memory eating hidden processes
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20:08:09peturoh look, the latest driver from asus is only 118MB
20:08:26sharpewhat do you know...
20:08:51peturthey must be the winners of the 'who designed this crap' contest
20:09:27midkayget it from the chipset creators instead, e.g. nvidia..
20:09:29sharpeback in the day, drivers use to be 1kb... :P
20:09:49peturit's ATI based
20:10:17midkaythen, ati..
20:10:24peturand the ATI driver required ms .NET Can you believe this? .NET
20:10:57peturfor all the little mem eating hidden processes and control panels
20:11:15peturalready killed 3 and everything still works
20:11:32petur*&^$*%$&^%$(^)(^(*&^ NO CARRIER
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20:14:53sharpeokay... it's reproducable...
20:16:31sharpeeven after clearing the display...
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20:25:02*sharpe cries at menus and lcd functions
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20:31:58AghasterHi everyone
20:32:07*midkay waves
20:32:29Mikachui can't say anything, i'm completely aghast
20:32:53Aghasteri have a question, i currently have the apple firmware installed on my ipod, with some songs i bought from itunes on it. The problem is, i forgot to backup my songs i bought when i formatted my comp, so the only backup left is on my ipod
20:33:09Aghasterunfortunately, songs bought from the itunes store are under DRM
20:33:22Aghasterdoes anybody know how can i free them out my ipod?
20:33:31Aghasterlol mikachu
20:33:32Mikachui know there are programs that will copy back normal songs from an ipod
20:33:41Mikachudunno about drm
20:33:47Aghasteri tried gtkpod yesterday, it didnt work with drm songs :/
20:33:59midkayyou could copy back your Music directory in iPod_Control.. and then use a program to tag all the files based on their ID3 tags. e.g The Godfather.
20:34:20Mikachuyou can download the songs without feeling bad about it
20:34:25midkayunfortunately you'd have to sort them yourself, unless you can find a program to do that too.
20:34:37Aghastermikachu, but i would not loose what i paid for
20:34:46Aghastersome of them couldn't be found anywhere else
20:34:54linuxstbComplain to Apple about it...
20:35:04Aghasteri have an idea of what i could do
20:35:22Aghastergtkpod identified the correct files, but wasnt able to encode them to wav to my comp
20:35:24Mikachuitunes doesn't let you import drm songs back to the computer?
20:35:31Aghasterso i'll simply copy the files to my comp and try to convert them
20:35:47Aghasteritunes doesn't let you import _anything_ from your ipod
20:35:54Aghasterit only allows you to copy songs to your ipod
20:36:06Mikachuthat's pretty silly
20:36:12Aghasterthat's a good reason why i wanna definitly switch to rockbox
20:36:23linuxstbIt's "FairPlay"...
20:36:27Aghasterapple definitly removes too much rights on users
20:36:42preglowhahaha, _WHAT_ ?
20:36:59Mikachuyou get what you pay for
20:37:02Aghasterthe music i legally bought kept from freedom because of silly DRM
20:37:08Aghasteris kept*
20:37:20Mikachuyou bought a very bad license for it
20:37:21linuxstbYou can't even redownload songs you buy from the itunes music store... If you lose the file for whatever reason, you have to buy it again.
20:37:29Aghasteryeah, thats why i will never buy from itunes again
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20:37:53Aghasterhas anybody read "The DRM plan" article in 2600?
20:38:21preglowlinuxstb: well, that's a pretty common requirement
20:38:39pregloweven from music shops with no drm use
20:38:40Mikachui don't think the store will give you a new cd if you throw the old one away either
20:38:56Aghastermikachu: of course, because it costs them material
20:39:06preglowcosts these people bandwidth too
20:39:10preglowi don't think that's very unreasonable
20:39:19linuxstbIf you buy software online, you can generally download it again.
20:39:20Aghastergiving you another song which is only data doesn't cost anything else than bandwidth, which is almost nothing in my opinion
20:39:21sharpeokay, that's weird. now it seems text is shifted downward one line...
20:39:50midkaysharpe, margins?
20:39:58sharpei suppose...
20:40:16Aghasterpeople who buy songs have accounts and the songs downloaded are logged anyway, so fair would be that redownloading a song would cost only bandwith
20:41:01sharpei think i know what it may be due to... gui_textarea_clear() sets the y margin to the status bar... but i'm not sure if that's the problem.
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20:41:28Hansmaulwurfbut the companys would argue that someone else could download these songs with the account
20:41:35Hansmaulwurf@ Aghaster
20:41:56Mikachuyou could just give them the files too
20:42:15AghasterBut that's still silly that counter-piracy measures only remove rights from honest buyers
20:42:23Aghasterthe songs still get on p2p networks anyway
20:42:35Aghasterand buyers get problems because of DRM limitations
20:42:46Hansmaulwurfwell im only buying music from independent labels, so i have no problems with DRM or copyright
20:42:48Aghastersomehow this is all silly, and unefficient
20:43:19Hansmaulwurferm, i mean copy protected not copyright
20:43:22Aghasteri only bought music from itunes and from allofmp3
20:43:32Aghasterallofmp3 was good
20:43:38Aghasteritunes, meh, i won't buy anymore
20:43:45Aghasterit removes you too much rights
20:43:57Aghasteranyway, i'm on linux now
20:44:06Aghasterapple didnt even care to make a linux itunes version
20:44:29sharpedoes anyone think after a menu is not drawn anymore, the y margin should remain what it was while it was set when drawing the margin?
20:45:10midkaythe menu might set its own margins.. actually, in the editor. that's exactly what happened.
20:45:18midkaywhich is why i added setmargins to the plugin API.
20:45:37midkayif the status bar is on, the menu will try to draw it (first setting the margins down) and when you exit the menu they aren't restored.
20:45:47sharpethat's what it looks like.
20:46:12midkayjust add a setmargins(0,0) anywhere you might exit the menu..
20:46:20sharpetis what i'm going to tryt
20:48:15sharpewell... that works for the margins left over from the menu...
20:48:27midkayleft over?
20:48:33midkaywhat does it not work for?
20:48:45midkay<sharpe> well... that works for the margins left over from the menu...
20:48:52midkayyou say that as if it fixes one thing but not another.
20:48:57sharpei was just taking about the margins not being restored.
20:49:15midkayso, basically, it works.
20:49:23midkayk. :)
20:49:35sharpei was just thinking about my problem with the no longer displayed text.
20:50:06sharpeit seem to display the text that is drawn where the menu was drawn, but not anywhere else.
20:53:34sharpei'm also pretty sure of where it doesn't restore the y margin, but sets it to the statusbar height, like it was...
20:55:02Aghastergtkpod was able to locate the DRM enabled songs, which are in m4p format
20:55:15Aghasteri can manually copy them to my hard disk
20:55:21Aghasternow i gotta find a way to convert them.
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20:58:24sharpemidkay, do you think it'd be safe to assume, after the menu is exited, that margins should be set back to 0?
20:58:50midkayyou mean change the core code, or implying that it's a bug?
20:59:07sharpedepends on your interpretation of what i've said?
20:59:16midkaywhat did you mean to say?
20:59:31sharpekind of both...
21:00:07midkayi don't think you should change it, because that could create problems everywhere.
21:00:22sharpeeh, okay.
21:00:46sharpeall it is, is just changing one line though.
21:01:27midkayall it is, is just calling setmargins in your plugin. :)
21:01:40sharpeyeah, but think of the saved like, six bytes!
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21:02:14sharpeyou know.
21:02:30sharpemaybe it would create problems... heheh...
21:04:09sharpewhich, it does... :)
21:04:45sharpeironically enough, with menus.
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21:10:42midkayc'mon, guys, vote vote vote. :)
21:10:49pussfellerhey how you set where the progress bar is located via its xy like the other images
21:11:13midkayyou can only set startx and endx and height, but not xy specifically..
21:11:15pussfellerand how do you set the hieght of the line breaks
21:11:26midkaythe height of line breaks are determined by font size.
21:11:36pussfellerwell what is height, the heiight of the image?
21:11:42pussfelleror its position
21:11:44midkayif you mean image.. sec..
21:12:27midkaythe height would be the height of the image, yeah..
21:12:47pussfellerso the progress bar merely exists in the space of the line height set by the font
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21:13:26midkayi think unless you specify a larger height, everything moves down.. i'm not too sure.
21:13:34midkayexperimentation is useful..
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21:14:49pussfellerheh i been experimenting
21:14:56pussfellerI think I will change the font
21:15:15midkayyou do know that xpos/endxpos/height can be used with the default bar, right?
21:15:29midkayyou don't need an image to do that.
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21:17:15Novushello, anybody here?
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21:17:51Novusdo u know much about installing rockbox?
21:18:37midkaydepending on model..
21:19:10Novusthe nano, i downloaded the installer created by the guy on ipodwizard
21:19:43Novusbut it keeps saying that my ipod is not plugged in
21:20:17Novuswhen i try to install
21:20:18midkaycan you see it in explorer as a disk?
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21:21:01Novuswhat is the unc patch?
21:21:15midkaywell, we don't really support third-party installers..
21:21:39midkayit's hard to say what's going on, but if you were willing to attempt the "true" installation, we're here to help.
21:22:03Novusokay, ill try it that way
21:22:19Novushow do u navigate through the command prompt?
21:22:34midkayit doesn't say in the wiki page?
21:22:41sharpesuch as, cd c:\rockbox
21:23:28midkayit says right in the installation article.
21:23:59Novushmm, yeah im trying to find the ipod install page
21:25:51Novusoh thx, see it says start a command prompt and navigate to the c:\rockbox
21:26:07Novuswhat do you type in to get there
21:26:15midkayit says.
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21:26:46midkayin the parenthases literally one space after what you just read..
21:27:03sharpeparentheses :)
21:27:34midkayi can't believe how long i must have been making that mistake. :)
21:27:44sharpeit's what i'm here for.
21:27:49midkayno it's not.
21:27:54midkaythat's what I'M here for.
21:27:59sharpethen what am i here for?
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21:28:51midkayrandom crap.
21:29:00sharpethat's about it.
21:29:03sharpei help a little though.
21:29:39midkaysure you do, sharpe.
21:29:43midkaykeep telling yourself that.,
21:29:46midkayjust kidding! :)
21:30:33Novuswhats it supposed to do after i type that?
21:30:48midkaytype what?
21:31:08Novus«Cassandra» cd\rockbox
21:31:31midkaycd\rockbox? it doesn't say that anywhere, i don't think..
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21:32:01falsohello sirs
21:32:08Novustype C: presse enter and then press cd\rockbox enter
21:32:09falsocan anyone answer me a quick question
21:32:46midkayit doesn't say cd\rockbox, it says cd \rockbox .. even cd rockbox would work.
21:32:46falsois it possible to make the apple firmware the default one on the bootloader?
21:33:10midkayfalso, from a coding standpoint, sure.. but i don't think there's any modified bootloaders posted anywhere for this.
21:33:11sharpefalso: you know how many times we are asked that? :)
21:33:16midkayand it's not changeable without recompiling.
21:33:26falsonot i dont know
21:33:45falsoi have to recompile what?
21:33:47falsoim on linux
21:33:56midkaythe bootloader..
21:34:05falsothe source of the bootloader is available?
21:34:09falsoim going to check :)
21:34:14falsoits an ipodvideo
21:34:14midkaysure.. :)
21:34:22Novusso don't type the C:?
21:34:31sharpewell... it only makes sense... afterall, rockbox is opensource...
21:34:37falsoi like rockbox to play flac and ogg
21:34:38midkayNovus, *sigh* type the c:, then type cd rockbox.
21:34:53falsobut other than that, i preffer the apple firmware, cause it is..... prettier
21:34:54falso :->
21:34:55Novusi did but i got nothing sorry
21:35:23sharpefalso, have you tried any themes?
21:35:27midkayhaha. and you're using linux of all things.. somewhat odd, that implies to me that you're not in it for 'pretty' but i guess i'm wrong. :)
21:35:55falsofirst, it always plays the albums/music in shuffle
21:36:01falsoand doesnt show the album cover
21:36:11midkay'it' can be configured...
21:36:14falsoand there isnt any pretty theme
21:36:25falsothat thingy to read the tags and create a db
21:36:28falsonever worked for me
21:36:30sharpethen you should make one that's 'pretty'
21:36:31falsoalways ccrashes
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21:36:35midkaygui whores will be gui whores.. :)
21:36:36PaulJammidkay: "cd rockbox" won't work in most cases. it should be "cd \rockbox"
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21:36:40falsoim not an artist :-)
21:36:51midkayPaulJam, that's weird, because i've *never* *ever* had a problem with that.
21:36:53sharpeneither am i, but i've one that suits me.
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21:37:29falsobootloader - the iriver bootloader - you shouldn't build this yourself.
21:37:37falsoseems that the cvs only has tbe iriver bootloader
21:37:51Novusit it supposed to say something after you type that?
21:37:53midkayyou need to run configure to choose which loader to build..
21:37:57sharpelcd_drawpixel()... isn't affected by the problem with not being displayed... :)
21:38:05midkayNovus, no, just like C:\rockbox>
21:38:11falsoah midkay ok
21:38:17midkaysharpe, have you tried putsxy?
21:38:26sharpewas thinking about it.
21:39:34PaulJammidkay: on my machine the comand "C:" doesn't change the current directory to C:\. so im still in "C:\Documents and Settings\pauljam\" after typing "C:"
21:39:55midkayPaulJam, i've only ever had trouble with "C:".
21:40:01midkaycd dirname works perfect.
21:40:20Novusyeah thats what i get
21:40:25***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:40:28Novuswhat else can you type?
21:40:30midkaytry c: or c:\ or cd c: .. never seems to be one way that always works..
21:44:08Novusi get it is not recognized as an external or internal command, operable program or batch file
21:44:49sharpeputsxy() works.
21:45:23midkaysharpe, hm.. and you tried setting the margins to 0 before calling puts?
21:45:45midkayNovus, well.. do "cd .." until you get to C:
21:45:49midkayand then just cd rockbox.
21:45:52sharpepart of the screen doesn't clear now... with putsxy()
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21:46:59hshahhey all - been a while since ive been here :)
21:47:56Novusi type in cd and get C:\Documents and Settings\Novus
21:48:23sharpetry "cd c:\rockbox"
21:48:25midkayNovus, well.. do ******** "cd .." ******** until you get to C:
21:48:33midkaykeep the ..s
21:48:36midkayor that :)
21:48:45hshahis there a patch around to revert back to the old volume scale?
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21:48:59midkayhshah, wb.. and.. no.. why?
21:49:11hshahi really don't like the db scale :(
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21:49:27midkayany reason?
21:49:50midkaythe old scale was rather weird anyways.. nonlinear and stuff..
21:50:16sharpeeh, i'm done with the problem attempting... for a while, anyways.
21:50:19hshahi just prefer volume as a percentage
21:50:21Novuscd c:\rockbox worked
21:51:07midkayhshah, i get that, but for what it's worth it was far from an accurate percentage, it was more of just a 'number' that meant the volume was 'sorta within 25% of this number'. :)
21:51:20midkayhshah, but no, no patches, nobody's complained..
21:51:25hshahi wasn't too stuffed :p
21:51:34hshahmidkay - have u seen the forums?
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21:51:41piethi guys - i use a iriver ihp 120 with rockbox firmware (about 2 month old release) and I was very impressed what you did with the pitch abilities of this release
21:51:54midkayhshah, surprisingly, yes... i haven't seen any complaints, but i don't browse all of them..
21:52:11pietI had the idea that one day you could use 2 irivers to make a dj set
21:52:32hshahany major changes in rockbox over the last 2 months?
21:52:34pietwhat about the latencies?
21:52:52midkayhshah, not too much, we've been in feature freeze most of the time... playback system was reworked..
21:53:14hshahhey linuxstb, hows it going?
21:53:15pietis it possile to make the players start their mp3s or waves in lets say about 6-9 ms (thats what you need to work professionally with...)
21:53:35midkaypiet, well, they need to access the disk..
21:53:42midkayunless it's a flash player, of course..
21:53:46pietno memory on board?
21:53:50midkaythe disk could always be spinning, but that'd suck memory.
21:54:08midkayyes, plenty, but not nearly enough to buffer every song.. depending on how many you've got.
21:54:19midkaynot suck memory, suck battery.
21:54:27pietyes, i understand
21:54:45Novuscrap i just deleted my whole c: directory
21:54:49pietbut there is a feature used by samples called DFD, you could use that i guess
21:55:04midkayNovus, i don't think you could manage that without a lot of work..
21:55:15pietonly the first seconds of a track are being transfered to memory, the rest does the disk later ;)
21:55:39Novusi click on my computer and go my harddrive and everything is gone
21:55:47pietgigasampler and many all newer samplers use this today
21:55:59midkayNovus, what did you type?
21:56:12midkaypiet, it's possible, but quite tricky.
21:56:42Novushmm lemme try to reboot
21:56:44piet@midkay ;)
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21:56:49midkayNovus, wait..
21:56:50Novusi typed a bunch of stuff trying to find
21:56:57peturdel . /S /Y
21:57:03midkayif somehow you DID manage to do it, after a reboot windows won't start..
21:57:27midkaynothing will start. nothing will happen..
21:57:38Novuswhat should i do
21:57:38midkayi don't see how you could have done it, though..
21:57:41midkaywhat else did you type?
21:57:53pietrockbox firmware would become famous in dj scene...i make djsets too, with traktor v1 (native instruments) and i make music with some old synthesizers...well i really would appreciate this feature, and not only me... hehe
21:58:10linuxstbNovus: I'm guessing you didn't delete your IRC application....
21:58:32midkaypiet, you're probably best off setting the disk timeout really high.. :)
21:58:36pietI΄m not a programmer but a good friend of mine, sitting next to me, is, maybe you can talk sometime
21:58:45midkayif you can manage to plug in your player, that will work fine..
22:00:32Mikachuit's sort of hard to talk about linear volume anyway
22:01:56Novusnow my mouse won't work
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22:02:21Mikachunice work
22:02:43Novusi can't open the command prompt
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22:02:59midkayNovus, ouch..
22:03:10midkayand the reason one doesn't screw around with command prompts becomes clear..
22:03:28Novusi was just typing the stuff u guys told me
22:03:38linuxstbNo you didn't....
22:03:39peturNovus: what windows version?
22:03:47midkayif you typed anything remotely akin to what is illustrated in the document, this wouldn't have happened..
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22:04:17Mikachumidkay: it's much easier to delete everything from explorer, just ctrl-a delete
22:04:28piet@midkay - did you measure the playback latency after pressing play? - even if the disc already runs, it is not really as fast as < 8ms about?
22:04:40midkayMikachu, i don't think windows will let you, will it?
22:04:45midkayMikachu, "cannot access file" errors and stuff, i think you'd get.
22:04:45pietis it?
22:04:52Mikachuit will let you delete some files until you get to /windows
22:05:02peturNovus: if things go very wrong (pc won't boot...) start from the xp install cd and have it repair the install
22:05:03Mikachuand the access stuff will be no different between the prompt and explorer
22:05:18midkayi think the permissions are different..
22:05:22midkayeither way.. yeah.
22:05:32midkaypetur, repair a blank disk?! :)
22:05:41Novusi just bought this comp, mabye somebody installed a virus
22:05:50webguest97then do a fresh install?
22:06:01peturhe didn't delete everything...
22:06:05PaulJamI wonder how it is possible to delete the entire content of c:\ and still have windows running
22:06:17peturor something else unrelated is going wrong
22:06:23midkayhe said everything was gone, maybe he meant mostly everything..
22:06:23webguest97i'd just free a gig or two and then do a fresh install in a different directory
22:06:35*midkay shrugs
22:06:49*midkay wonders how he could have deleted anything in the first place.
22:06:56webguest97that way you don't have to wipe everything, you can get a fresh version of windows up and running and do a good virus scan, then delete the old windows directory afterwards
22:07:19Novusman i hate liberal computers
22:07:28midkayanyways, i have to run for a bit.
22:07:34midkaylater, all
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22:08:36Novusokay ill try thx guys
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22:09:42pietahm - −− yes does someone have a hint for me to buy a fm for my iriver ihp120 to send my tracks on air (even if illegally ;)
22:10:02pieti looked over the web and dont know which one to take...
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22:11:24pietmaybe not the right place to ask a question like this?
22:11:44webguest97"buy a fm" what?
22:12:08pietthere are fm transmitters for those players, and maybe for any players
22:12:23pietyou can modulate some frequencies with you own music ;)
22:12:27webguest97there are several out there.. many just plug into headphone jacks
22:12:35pietonto the air of course
22:12:35webguest97i don't think they're illegal...
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22:12:48webguest97satellite radios tend to have them built-in, even
22:13:00pietin germany and italy −−- well europe they are i guess
22:13:14webguest97didn't know that
22:13:26webguest97best to look on ebay maybe, see if anyone offers international shipping
22:13:48webguest97i don't really know why they'd be illegal tho, it doesn't reach much farther than just-outside your car...
22:13:53webguest97at least on mine
22:14:16pietyes, i just heard by a friend that one model is controllable via the iriver port used by the remote
22:14:29pietand i dont find this one
22:15:13webguest97i haven't heard that either
22:15:21piet@webguest - yes, but in europe law is nonsens, in US law is just criminal
22:15:23webguest97you might try posting in the iriver forum
22:15:33peturmaybe he means ipod remote port
22:15:44webguest97petur: that's what i'm thinking
22:16:03webguest97i haven't heard of any FM modulators working this way, but also i don't know why not
22:16:39webguest97piet: you should try posting on the iriver-specific forums on and ask if anyone has any specific info
22:16:57piet@petue, yes, the friend knew there is one for the ipod remote port, im wondering if this exists for iriver too...
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22:17:40piet@webguest, yes maybe thats better
22:17:54pietthanks anyway!
22:19:03pietand when i have one, i will tune it to "more power" lets say, radius of 10kilometers ;)
22:19:06peturheh, those eurovision guys from Finland are really weird
22:19:33pietmaybe, but i think i could get cancer by that...hmhm
22:20:15pieti dont know them...i have not tv...and not internet too, bah internet sucks...i΄m online at my freinds home here, cause i need some help
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22:20:33pietthanks all
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22:26:16Novusk, how do u type in ipodpatcher
22:26:25Novushow do u know which one is your ipod
22:26:30Novusim getting the same thing everytime
22:26:37peturPaulJam: just checked with a build from before my fix and it is the same.
22:27:28Novusi get this drive doesn't exist
22:27:33linuxstbnovus: First, make sure your ipod is plugged into your computer, and that it is in disk mode - it should say "do not disconnect" on it.
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22:27:47Novusit does man
22:28:03linuxstbCan you see it as a drive letter in explorer?
22:28:15Novusdisk mode
22:28:16PaulJampetur: ah, sorry then for blaming your fix.
22:28:45Novuselaborate please
22:29:06Novusit says do not disconnect when it is updating but it quickl goes to charging
22:29:36linuxstbYou need to tell itunes to allow you to access your ipod as a disk. I've never used itunes in Windows, so I don't know where that option is.
22:29:54preglowdoesn't it always allow that?
22:30:14linuxstbThe Mac version has an option for that.
22:30:27linuxstbAnd I'm sure others have mentioned it as a possible problem.
22:32:28Novuson the forum?
22:33:28Novuswhat if i just delete itunes?
22:33:43peturPaulJam: it's still a bug that needs fixing but I'm a bit puzzled
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22:45:15*petur has a hard time: find a wps bug or look at a movie with Louis De Funes....
22:45:27preglowwhat movie?
22:45:57peturLe Cadillac
22:46:16preglownice title
22:46:23preglowLe Car
22:47:04peturah no, the movie is called "Le Corniaud"
22:47:32preglowwhich is sufficiently foreign to prevent me from making a pun!
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22:48:25preglowa 2cv isn't exactly a cadillac
22:48:42Mikachubecause of that mistake i say you have to find the wps bug
22:48:47preglowthough it is prettier
22:49:31peturok, so who can tell me where the backdrop is restored when you leave the wps?
22:49:54peturah crap, commercial break is over
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22:56:42earHertzany ipod 4g or video users here?
22:57:45linuxstbWhat's the follow-up question?
22:58:03earHertzthe folow up is "wana test a patch?"
22:58:45Mikachuif you posted the patch with your question, it would save you a roundtrip cycle
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22:59:12earHertzI don't want to post it to the patch tracker quote yet
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23:05:28earHertzlinuxstb: ou have amoment?
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23:10:23MikachuearHertz: the patch tracker isn't only for done patches
23:10:26Mikachuyou can use it for feedback too
23:10:47earHertzSoon, I will. I just wanted some pre-posting feedback
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23:16:14earHertzwhat's teh best practices for adding settings particular to a single platform?
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23:18:18linuxstbWhat does your patch do?
23:18:35earHertzIt adds pgup/pgdn for the ipod4g target
23:19:18earHertzby emitting those button codes if teh scroll delat is above a threshold
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23:20:04Mikachudidn't someone make a better patch for that recently?
23:20:07linuxstbIsn't there already a patch for that?
23:20:08Mikachuit had 4 or 5 speed steps
23:20:57earHertzwish I'd seen that. ;)
23:23:38earHertzYeah, the existing patch is identical to mine, even to the thresholds. Only the names of the constants are different
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23:25:59earHertzah well, I wasted an afternoon I could have spend reading in teh sun in teh park
23:26:19Novushey after i install rockbox, it reboots and shows the purple screen and goes back to retail settings
23:26:42*petur swears at the implementor of backdrop
23:26:58peturwhat a dirty hack
23:27:12*linuxstb ducks
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23:27:33*petur runs after linuxstb with a large trout
23:27:42XavierGr_hehe dev-wars
23:27:43*linuxstb likes trout
23:27:45Mikachulinuxstb: good thing you have that duck to defend yourself with
23:28:01linuxstbBBQ time...
23:28:12peturdon't run off
23:28:25Mikachui think that might have been a joke
23:28:28Novusit installed the rockbox firmware anybod kno?
23:28:38sharpei need something to do...
23:28:48sharpei'm not going to work on the c64 emulator for a while...
23:28:49linuxstbNovus: Have you downloaded the file from the website and extracted the contents to your ipod?
23:29:29Novusthe physical hardrive of the ipod?
23:29:55Novusyeah i did that..
23:30:00peturlinuxstb: as we only have two backdrops, the pointers towards them should be stored in the lcd part. That way switching between wps and menu backdrop should be much simpler (and bugfree)
23:30:01earHertzwhat's teh easiest way to revert using cvs (like subversion rever)?
23:30:09midkaycvs revert?!!
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23:30:19midkayjust JOSHING. i don't know.
23:30:33earHertzto revert to what I got in the update, removing my local changes
23:30:54*midkay nods and doesn't know
23:30:57peturlinuxstb: theis old_backdrop) juggling is just plain wrong
23:31:04linuxstbearHertz: "cvs diff -u | patch -R -p0" will do that.
23:31:10Novusshould i just try it again?
23:31:31linuxstbpetur: I'm not going to try and defend it... By "lcd part", do you mean in the LCD drivers?
23:31:37peturhuh, seems I've gotten preglows typing skills
23:31:51earHertzlinuxstb: thanks. That's a baroque way of going about it.
23:31:52linuxstbNovus: What do you see on your ipod's screen when you reboot?
23:31:56Novusbecause ihad to uplug my ipod download the file
23:31:58peturlinuxstb: that or some other central place
23:32:09Novusit goes to retail setting
23:32:09linuxstbearHertz: Or just delete the files you have changed, and do "cvs update"
23:32:23earHertzlinuxstb: yeah, taht;s what I've been doing
23:32:46linuxstbNovus: Do you see anything different on the screen - before the Apple firmware starts?
23:33:29Novusnope ;/
23:33:32linuxstbIf you've installed the bootloader correctly, you should see it display some black writing on a pale blue background. It will then try to start Rockbox, but if that fails, it will start the Apple firmware.
23:33:42linuxstbSo it seems you failed to install the bootloader...
23:34:29Novusdammit i had it right until i had to uplug it to download the file
23:35:11Novuswill it mess it up to redo it?
23:35:13linuxstbpetur: What about making the central place backdrop.c. My thoughts in the past have been to expand that to include some functions to set/clear the backdrops. Would that help?
23:35:34peturlinuxstb: this is what happens: tree.c stores old_backdrop before starting the wps. while insde the wps, you can open de menu and load a theme. However, if you close the whole thing you get the old backdrop, not the theme
23:36:04linuxstbNovus: Did you complete all the steps on the wiki page? i.e. 1a) to 1g) ?
23:36:04peturlinuxstb, will do that, yes... I hope to have enough time this weekend ;)
23:36:28linuxstbDid any of them give you any error messages?
23:36:56Novusit just said loading firmware and went to retail screen
23:37:11linuxstbYou mean "Loading Original Firmware" ?
23:37:27sharpeanyone have a suggestion as to what i can do to occupy my time?
23:37:59linuxstbNovus: That's a message from the Rockbox bootloader....
23:38:12earHertzsharpe: teh whole web isn't printed yet. an you print out all pages starting with "g"?
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23:38:28linuxstbsharpe: Try to understand the Rockbox playback engine and then fix the remaining problems...
23:38:29petursharpe: pick a bugreport from the tracker and fix it :D
23:38:32sharpeearHertz: nah... printer is downstairs.
23:39:14Novusso it's installed?
23:39:55Novuswhy is it going back to the retail screen then?
23:40:05*earHertz thinks "lazy bastard" ;)
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23:40:27linuxstbNovus: What does the bootloader tell you before it prints "Loading Original Firmware" ?
23:40:46Novusi dunno it did it so fast
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23:41:26sharpeyes, you're right. i am lazy, especially while the printer is networked, and i can still print things from upstairs. :)
23:41:26peturlinuxstb: any particular reason backdrop.c is located under apps/recorder?
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23:42:45Novusso u extract to ipod hardrive that says like calender, contacts, etc?
23:42:53linuxstbThat's where all the "HAVE_LCD_BITMAP" code seems to live. I think of the "recorder" directory in terms of the bitmapped LCD - as opposed to "player" for the char-cells LCD.
23:43:16linuxstbNovus: Yes.
23:43:19peturah... ok
23:43:35sharpei can't really do any bugfixes, as i don't really know the playback, lcd, charging, etc. code...
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23:44:11Novusim gonna try to go through the install steps again
23:44:12peturheh, have a look at the ifdefs of backdrop.h :P
23:44:23Novusand if doesn't work im gonna burn my ipod
23:44:26Mikachui would have liked the ifdefs in rockbox to be indented
23:44:34Mikachusometimes there are three levels with the first one several hundred lines up
23:44:50peturno, put comments behind the endif
23:45:04linuxstbpetur: :)
23:45:10Mikachuif you see a # ifdef foo, you know you are inside another ifdef
23:45:15Mikachu(note the space)
23:45:17peturand do the same with nested loops
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23:45:56linuxstbpetur: I'm guessing some copy/paste was responsible for that logic...
23:46:53peturok, so I'm going to throw out all the old_backdrop stuff and make a nice switch between backdrops
23:47:36*amiconn considers indented preprocessor directives highly confusing
23:48:47*petur too
23:49:06*linuxstb three
23:49:38earHertzwhat if they're nested direectives?
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23:50:08peturput comments after the endif
23:50:28peturno wait, put more comments in the code :P
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23:52:58sharpei know what i'll do.
23:53:08sharpespace invaders emulator!
23:53:24Mikachuwhy not just implement it? it's a pretty simple game
23:53:26linuxstbsharpe: There are links to two on the pacbox wiki page...
23:53:54sharpelinuxstb: i know, i mean for rockbox... like, port side or something...
23:54:03linuxstbMikachu: Authenticity...
23:54:33linuxstbsharpe: If you try SIDE, you'll have the enjoyment of converting it from C++ to C.
23:54:37Mikachutoo young for space invaders :)
23:54:51sharpei know, it'd be more like, basing it off of side...
23:56:39sharpeas it seems like it be easier to implement an arcade emulator, rather than a general computer emulator...
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23:58:46sharpeeven though it doesn't really mean anything, the SIDE source is ~120kb, whereas the c64 emulator source is like, 90kb, and it's nowhere near complete.

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