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#rockbox log for 2006-05-22

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00:20:08sharpeit's almost 27'C...
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00:22:59sirkello ello
00:23:51sirkI wanna try rockbox but im not sure where to get the bootloader
00:24:27sirki downloaded the daily build for my player, but i didnt notice an executable file to install from in the folder
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00:24:42sharpewhat player do you have?
00:24:56sirki have a 5g ipode video
00:25:25sirkcool, thank you
00:25:30sharpeyou're welcome.
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00:28:35PsilonautHi, can someone plz tell me how to install the album art plugin on my ipod video? I just got rockbox..
00:28:58sharpeit's not a plugin, you have to build the source with the patch and then update it on your ipod.
00:29:50Psilonautok, then how do I build the source? forgive me im noob
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00:30:42sharpeare you in windows or linux?
00:31:29sharpeyou're welcome.
00:36:30german_snailhow does album art work anyway
00:36:33german_snailid3 tag?
00:36:49sharpeif i remember correctly, a certain image in the directory.
00:37:13sharpeit may have changed though, i don't use album art...
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00:37:40pjoGood Morning
00:37:56german_snailso if i have blah.jpg stored in /music/band/album, it will display for each track?
00:38:36sharpeprobably, but like i said, i don't really know about album art.
00:39:39sharpeit's how it used to work, i think.
00:39:50markungerman_snail: I believe tha patch looks for cover.bmp
00:40:41pjoHow do I find this guy who did this patch in the forum. I searched his nick but could not find.
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00:44:58sharpewow, i really can't figure out what's wrong with the cpu emulator...
00:44:59sirkis there a gameboy emulation program for rockbox?
00:45:48sirkcan you direct me to the page for acquiring it?
00:46:06pjoPls advise the method to synch a patch to Daily build
00:46:29pjoRockBoy you already have it You need roms
00:46:33sharpesirk: it's a plugin, you should be able to execute a rom
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00:46:53sharpepjo: what patch?
00:46:57sirkdo roms in the .gb format work?
00:47:04sharpelet me check.
00:47:32sharpeyes, gb, and gbc.
00:47:41pjoI found that this patch is only synched with 20060424 and it must bve synched with the latest Daily
00:47:48sirkokay awesome
00:48:06sirkand do i just placew them in the directory or in a specific folder
00:48:27sharpejust like executing an audio file, just select it in the file browser
00:48:41sharpepjo: isn't that for ipodlinux?
00:49:09pjomaybe wrong link
00:49:24pjothis is the correct one !
00:49:39sharpeso what do you want to do with it again?
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00:50:10pjoI would like to know a way to synch this patch to the latest daily
00:50:49webguest90Hi, can I request 2 minor yet essential characters to be added to the rockbox keyboard in the text editor, the colon and the semi-colon
00:50:49sharpehave you tried applying the patch to the rockbox source?
00:51:12webguest90unless I'm blind and can't find it
00:51:27pjoyes patch displays error and request to input File to Patch
00:51:44sharpepjo: okay, what command are you using to patch it?
00:52:09sharpeor, what are you typing?
00:52:28pjopatch -p0 or -p1 or -p2 < xxxxx.diff in the directory of rockbox where all the RB sources and diff are located
00:52:38Aghasterdoes anybody speak Esperanto in here?
00:52:54sharpeare you typing all of that, or certain parts?
00:53:08pjoexcept or part
00:53:11Aghasteri'm stuck on the word "crossfeed". there isn,t even a word in my native language for that i think
00:53:36sharpewhy not just do, "cross feed" ? :)
00:54:13Aghasterbecause its supposed to be translated XD
00:55:12sharpepjo: have you tried, "patch -p0 < scroll-margins_20060424.patch" i'm assuming that's what the patch is saved as, if not, change it...
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00:55:46pjoand you think i can patch the latest Daily ?
00:55:53sharpei've no idea.
00:56:27pjoI will try it but how do I synch a patch to the current daily ?
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00:56:52sharpeif it doesn't patch, you'll have to look at the patch file and manually edit the source.
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00:58:01sharpeand if that doesn't work, i don't know what to tell you.
00:58:18AghasterAre there any other esperantist rockbox users?
00:58:35sharpenot to my knowledge.
00:58:54*Moos point to markun direction :P
00:59:12markunJes, mi :)
00:59:26sharpewell, i stand corrected.
00:59:29Aghastermi estas tradukanta rockbox al esperanton
00:59:44markunI've been thinking about doing that
00:59:50markunBut please english in here :)
00:59:55Aghasterokay okay
00:59:57Aghasterenglish lol
01:00:04Aghasteri started today
01:00:17Aghasterdo you think "crossfeed" is translatable?
01:01:11markunI really don't know. You could try in #esperanto.
01:01:24Mooscrossfeed is hard to translate in any language imho
01:01:25Aghasterwhich i've been doiing
01:01:33Aghasteryeah, crossfeed doesnt exist in french
01:01:39Aghasterso i'll let it as crossfeed
01:02:09Moosbegin by the strings you can translate first, no? :)
01:02:22Aghasterlol, i do them all one after the other
01:02:26markunMoos: someone told me to go to for people possibly interested in making an arabic translation
01:02:27Aghasterbut got stuck at crossgeed
01:02:43markunAghaster: just skip it for now
01:02:55Moosmarkun: heh, good to know, let me give it a go
01:03:02Aghasteri got a question, will rockbox properly display esperanto characters?
01:03:45markunAghaster: yes, as long as the font supports it. The language files need to be stored in UTF-8.
01:03:56Aghastergood, i'm using UTF-8
01:04:17Genre9mp3Aghaster:eeer...where are you from? What's this esperanto language? (sorry, never heard that before)
01:04:43AghasterEsperanto is a conlang, its not a national language
01:04:45Moosboo! :)
01:05:00Aghasterits been invented back in 1887 by ludovic zamenhof, in order to be used as an international language
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01:05:11Aghasterup to date, its the most spoken conlang in the world
01:05:23Genre9mp3Oh really? Is this language popular?
01:05:32Moosutopia unfortunatly
01:05:33Aghasterabout 2 million speakers
01:06:20Aghasterits very easy to learn, and its fun
01:06:26Aghasteresperantists are fun people :P
01:06:45markunrockboxians also :)
01:07:08Aghasteresperantists rockboxians even more ;)
01:07:09Genre9mp3Where do you learned to speak that language?
01:07:22Aghasteron the internet, and then i became member of a club
01:07:31Aghasterwhere i go at each month, to speak and have fun
01:07:56Genre9mp3Itis not tought somewhere, right?
01:08:00markunGenre9mp3: I just did some tutorials on the internet. I also speak to some esperantists in my city from time to time. <- here's free software
01:08:02Genre9mp3I mean, besides the net
01:08:12Aghasterwell, sometimes in universities they offer esperanto classes
01:08:26Aghasteror maybe a local esperanto group offers it
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01:08:36Aghasterbut learning on the internet is easy
01:08:42markunBut maybe this was enough e-o propapganda for today :)
01:08:43Aghasterlots of available resources
01:08:53Aghasterhe asked first XD
01:09:16Genre9mp3Yes...I was curious...
01:09:26markunBut I'm very happy that you started the translation, I'll use it full time and try to keep it updated.
01:09:41Aghastermarkun, maybe we could work at it together?
01:09:59Genre9mp3markun: BTW, is there a working sim for the Gigabeat, yet?
01:10:48markunYes, it was working. I need to commit a patch to make it compile again (missing button defines for some plugins)
01:12:01sharpeaww... i cracked a cd...
01:12:02ashridahheh. love it. Unpack onto my player in windows. takes about two minutes. unpack it on linux using kde's drag and drop, and it takes 10 seconds, even WITH sync turned on.
01:13:02pjoas far as patching that patch , it worked
01:13:43Aghasterlooks like we'll have an Esperanto translation, hehe
01:14:19markunGood night guys
01:14:45pjooyasumi Markun
01:14:51Aghasterbonan nokton
01:15:25markunbonan al vi ankaux :)
01:16:00Genre9mp3please....don't play with my curiosity! :)
01:17:48sharpedo i want to work on the space invaders emulator anymore today... ?
01:18:04JdGordonof course u do!
01:19:00*Genre9mp3 viziti esperanto pago
01:19:43pjoCan I ask Q on compiling RockBox ?
01:20:46BHSPitLappydon't ask to ask
01:21:50pjoin the tut, it says as follows
01:21:52pjo 2. Create a build directory
01:21:52pjoCreate a build directory, preferably in the same directory as the firmware/ and apps/ directories. This is where all generated files will be written.
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01:22:29pjodoes this mean to create build dir in those directories ?
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01:25:47Noah0504Hey all.
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01:33:11dpassen1pjo: No, in the same directory which contains both firmware/ and apps/
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01:38:36pjooh so simply rewriting it, mkdir build in rockbox source code directory
01:38:41needhelpwiththemhey guys i need some help
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01:38:53needhelpwiththemi am trying to get iPod Green5g theme on my ipod
01:38:57pjook thanks
01:39:02needhelpwiththemand i am having alot of difficulty
01:39:10needhelpwiththemcan anyone send me a file or help me
01:39:15needhelpwiththemagain thats
01:39:16needhelpwiththem iPod Green5g
01:39:34pjoBTW after applying patches, compiling the source is required correct ?
01:39:40needhelpwiththemi dont really want to get into modding patches and stuff cause i dont have that much familiarty with it
01:39:49needhelpwiththemcause i dont know how to do it
01:39:54needhelpwiththemand need it quick
01:40:27needhelpwiththemdoes anyone have a the files already and would like to email them to me?
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01:41:02pjonnedle: I am chating with dpassen
01:41:25dpassen1pjo: Yes
01:41:57linuxstbneedhelpwiththem: If you don't want to apply patches yourself, you'll need to look in the forums to see if someone has posted a version of Rockbox with the required patches for your ipod, or wait until those patches (or equivalent functionality) are in the official Rockbox builds.
01:41:59pjodpassen: I have created build directory,
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01:43:24needhelpwiththemaccidentally pressed caps
01:43:31pjo$ ../tools/configure I tried this but I think I need to place files
01:44:04needhelpwiththemso can anyone help
01:44:15pjoi had typo now it is making
01:45:26pjoneedle: did you search the RB forum on 5G ?
01:46:26pjoIs there any way to copy the screen output from CygWin window ?
01:47:20Noah0504I just installed Rockbox on my iPod Video about an hour ago. Talk about deliciousness.
01:47:41needhelpwiththemi need help
01:47:54needhelpwiththemim trying to get the iPod Green5g theme on my ipod video
01:47:59needhelpwiththemand need help
01:48:32needhelpwiththemwhere would this be posted
01:48:39Noah0504needhelpwiththem: Sorry, I can't help. Did you try looking through the documentation on the Rockbox website?
01:49:34Noah0504Hmm, sorry I can't help. I'm new to Rockbox.
01:50:42linuxstbpjo: I think you click on the icon in the top-left corner of the cygwin window, which brings up a menu with "mark" and "copy" options.
01:50:43midkayneedhelpwiththem, have patience..
01:50:56midkayuse the non-album-art version if you're not up to patching.
01:51:34pjolinuxsub: thanks
01:51:45pjoand make generated these errors:
01:51:46pjoCC drivers/lcd-16bit.c
01:51:46pjodrivers/lcd-16bit.c: In function 'lcd_puts_style_offset':
01:51:46DBUGEnqueued KICK pjo
01:51:46pjodrivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: 'xmargin' undeclared (first use in this function
01:51:47***Alert Mode level 1
01:51:47pjodrivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc
01:51:48***Alert Mode level 2
01:51:50pjodrivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: for each function it appears in.)
01:51:52pjomake[1]: *** [/home/Asao/rockbox/build/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.o] Error 1
01:51:54pjomake: *** [all] Error 2
01:52:40pjodoes this look very bad, hopeless ?
02:01:49***Alert Mode OFF
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02:18:26pjoI found this:
02:18:51pjobut I cannot find the reg key
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02:20:43pjoI found HLM\software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin but no heap_chunk_in_mb
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02:23:31pjoI realized that I have to create the key
02:24:54pjobut setting Cygwin Max memory to 1024 did not solve the make error
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02:41:04Falco98amiconn: u around?
02:41:59sharpesadly, it doesn't seem so...
02:42:28Falco98just wanted to tell him i'd fixed that bug in my patch which he pointed out after i split a few days ago
02:42:45sharpeleave him a memo!
02:42:45german_snailso like, if i wanna customize my rockbox, i gotta learn C?
02:43:03sharpegerman_snail: not if you just want to change the look of it, eg, with themes and wpses
02:44:08german_snailman i just fiddled now... the functionality is awesome, so yeah, i just wanna change the look
02:44:13german_snailcan't find it in the docs
02:45:26german_snaili'd found it already :p
02:46:01pjowhich is the best CD ripper to work with RockBox ?
02:47:13pjoyou mean Exact Audio Copy ?
02:47:21flamingcowgrip? :)
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02:47:55flamingcowi get the impressoin that there's no linux app to view themes; would anyone be willing to screenshot a nano theme for me so i can publish it?
02:48:41PaulJamflamingcow: you can make a screenskot in rockbox
02:48:49flamingcowthat makes it easy :-P
02:49:47Mikachuwhat do you mean with 'view themes'?
02:50:14flamingcowwell, there's a windows theme designed that lets you screenshot, right?
02:50:45Mikachuthat doesn't make any sense to me
02:51:43Falco98PaulJam: glad to see another EAC fan
02:52:01Falco98I'm rather anal about ripping my CDs only in EAC / secure with a Plextor drive.. :-P
02:52:21Mikachui believe libparanoia is pretty good too
02:52:57sharpewhat if...
02:53:16sharpei wrote an implementation of malloc for plugins, that would use the plugin buffer? :D
02:53:30Mikachusomeone would probably look at you very strangely
02:53:37pjonow trying to rip Cd with EAC but EAC does not recognize the DVd drive correctly
02:54:15flamingcoware you trying to rip an audio dvd?
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02:54:18sharpeanything else than strange looks?
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02:54:28Falco98pjo: when i put in my DVD burner it did that, it was fixed by upgrading to the latest build of EAC
02:54:31Mikachuprobably not much more, no
02:54:31pjoit si audio CD
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02:54:53Falco98though i've also found EAC (as of 2 months ago) doesn't recognize the new sony DVD burners...
02:55:09sharpei wonder if it'd be any use for plugins...
02:55:18Falco98flamingcow: some people only have one optical drive, since DVD burners pretty much do everything
02:55:47pjoi just downloaded it
02:56:03Falco98what DVD drive do you have?
02:56:20pjoit is wait
02:57:13pjoHL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163A
02:57:37Falco98so what brand is that?
02:57:44Falco98(do you have any other optical drives to try?)
02:58:05pjonot on this machine, this is the only one
02:58:23flamingcowfalco98: yes, i am actually aware of that :-P
02:58:26AghasterFalco98! how are you :P?
02:58:30pjobrand is Hitachi-Samsong or maybe other Korean
02:58:38Falco98generally CD-R's (name brand ones even) are the best for secure-mode ripping
02:58:59pjoadvise any other ripper
03:00:01sharpei like cdex
03:00:44Falco98Aghaster: not bad, you?
03:00:47AghasterFalco, i finally got a pdf of 2600 so you can read the article
03:00:53Falco98haha sweet
03:01:33CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:01:33*Aghaster uploads to personal server
03:01:35Falco98pjo: i've never tried CDex (or at least not recently), and it's unclear whether it does bit-perfect rips like EAC can, but if you're not that anal about it, there are probably alot of rippers that work perfectly well for an average user
03:02:02Falco98but always use something stand-alone, esp. something that works with oggenc or flac O:-)
03:03:50pjoCDex cannot recognize it too, so now I am running WMP11
03:04:48Falco98at least use winamp or something
03:04:56Falco98i avoid WMP and iTunes like the fucking plague
03:05:08pussfellercdex is a great ripper
03:05:11Falco98(wmp11 will force you to use WMA, won't it?)
03:05:27pjothat is what I am checking now, WMA
03:05:50Falco98at LEAST use something which lets you use LAME mp3, if not Vorbis and FLAC
03:06:15pjocan Winamp use FLAC ?
03:06:35pussfellerwhy would u use winamp
03:06:41Aghasterpjo: there is a plugin for winamp
03:06:45Aghasterfor FLAC
03:07:15Aghasterwhy not xmms?
03:07:21Aghasterxmms is great.
03:07:35Falco98what's wrong with winamp? at least it's not WMP or iTunes
03:08:13pjomp3 can be chosen with WMP 11
03:08:34Aghasterwinamp isn't free as in freedom
03:08:41PaulJambut can you choose an external encoder?
03:08:54Falco98well i'd still do an absolute minimum of ripping in WMP until you can find a "real" ripper that supports your drive
03:09:03Falco98Aghaster: it's free enough for me
03:09:13Falco98the only pay functions are stuff that is done better by external shit anyway
03:09:14Aghasterwell, i do not know much about it.
03:09:17Falco98(ripping, burning)
03:09:18Aghasterdoes it run on linux?
03:09:24pussfellerdidnt AOL pay taht waste guy millions to buy winamp
03:09:29pussfellerlike megamillions
03:09:32Falco98no.. does xmms run on windows? O:-)
03:09:51Falco98puss: probably, but it hasn't gotten any worse since that happened
03:10:19Falco98a little bit of bloat, but nothing you can't turn off or exclude, and nothing as objectionable as half the "features" in WMP, realplayer, or other such things
03:10:21Aghasterno, doesnt run on windows...
03:10:27Aghasterthat's a detail
03:10:38Aghasterwho runs windows anyway? pfff ;)
03:10:49*Falco98 checks filesoup to see if sopranos is up yet...
03:11:06Falco98not me for long, as i've been running it for a few weeks now with no taskbar or desktop
03:11:15pjoBTW does anybody use MoodLogic ?
03:11:32AghasterFalco98: here's the link for 2600:
03:12:12Falco98sweet thanks.. have a page # i can jump to by any chance?
03:13:26Aghasteryes, minute
03:13:30Aghasteri think its around page 50
03:13:48Falco98n/m, it's 46
03:13:49Falco98 :)
03:13:58Aghasteri was about to say it
03:14:11Aghaster2 pages and half article.
03:14:14Aghasterhave fun :)
03:14:39*Falco98 reads "filesharing with" first :-P
03:15:47linuxstbsharpe: A malloc for plugins has been talked about before, and I think it would be accepted - to help with porting apps to Rockbox. But I think Bagder has said that he has a good implementation that could be used.
03:16:28Aghasterhehe, i think you'll end up subscribing to 2600, Falco98!
03:17:06sharpewell, won't hurt to make one, would it?
03:17:58*Aghaster says its quite long to translate about 600 strings from english to esperanto XD
03:18:57AghasterHey, my ipod's acting strange. If i let it on pause, after like 10 minutes it'll reboot
03:19:04Aghasteris it normal?
03:19:14sharpedoes it reboot or shut down?
03:19:35sharpedoes that happen when you touch it? :)
03:19:37Aghasterso when it reboots, it plays the song it was paused on
03:19:37linuxstbDo you have it plugged in?
03:19:47Aghasteryes, its standing on my ipod dock
03:20:52linuxstbIt will idle power-off after 10 minutes (you can change that setting). But because it is being charged, it will immediately turn back on. I think there's a bug report in the patch tracker about it - Rockbox shouldn't idle-off when being charged on the ipod.
03:21:30*Falco98 reaches out and grabs a mosquito out of mid-air
03:21:36sharpelinuxstb: so, do you think i should even try to make an implementation of malloc for plugins?
03:22:15linuxstbIt's probably worth talking to Bagder before spending too much time on it. I don't know how good the implementation he has got is, or how much work it would need to adapt it to Rockbox.
03:22:46sharpewell, if you think about it, using the plugin buffer wouldn't be too hard...
03:23:34linuxstbBut it's non-trivial if you implement the whole family of malloc, realloc, calloc and free.
03:26:26pussfellerwhen I plug my ipod into the wallcharger, its just reboots over and over again
03:26:33pussfelleris this a known bug
03:26:51Mikachuyes, hold down menu when you put the cable in, or boot apple os first
03:27:08pussfellerok cool then its not just me
03:28:45pjoripping cd with winamp, exit by erro, cannot write to the destination, which the drive has huge unused space, Windows XP compressed drive
03:29:50pjothis is FLAC default
03:30:02pjoand the first song is huge
03:31:59sharpewell, i think i'll just plan out the whole, plugin-oriented malloc/realloc/calloc/free functions... on paper, of all things!
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03:33:19pussfellerflac makes huge files
03:33:24*Falco98 has problems with the author's assertion that "most DVD players are designed not to play CD-Rs"
03:33:32Falco98pussfeller: FLAC is lossless
03:33:40pjowinamp displays error cannot write to, but the file was generated, could not rip the next track
03:33:45pussfelleryeah thats why its got a bigger file size
03:34:15pussfellerits alot smaller than a wav, but much bigger than an mp3 ripped at 193
03:34:19pussfellererr 192
03:34:37pjoso i will go back to mp3
03:34:48pussfellerbut the sound quality is much better
03:34:52pussfellerthats the trade off
03:35:42Mikachuflac is about 2x compression usually
03:35:52pussfelleri didnt use to be able to tell the difference between low bitrate mp3 and higher ones, but now I can
03:36:04pussfellernow that I have decent speakers :)
03:36:24pjothe issue here for me that I cannot rip with FLAC automaticall all the tracks, I have to quit and restart Winamp and rip one track
03:36:56pussfellerussualy, pjo, if you are having troubles with rippers, you dont have the encoding settings just right
03:37:03pussfellerthats my experience
03:37:19pjoencoding set is default
03:38:00zei totally forgot about neuros
03:38:01pussfelleri'm liucky, kaudiocreator is sinchy to use :)
03:38:06zedidn't know those ones were out yet
03:38:12zetoo bad about battery life though
03:39:37pjomaybe the file name is too long
03:39:51pjothese are classical music
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03:44:11Falco98pjo: just use ogg
03:44:22Falco98exploit the true beauty of rockbox :)
03:45:15pjoogg is better than FLAC in audio quality ?
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03:46:13dpassen1No, technically Ogg Vorbis is lossy and FLAC is lossless. Lossy can approximate but never be as perfect as Lossless.
03:47:00pjoi changed the output file name to be shorter and now FLAc ripping is working
03:47:17pjodpassen: I thought so
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03:53:25Jd|unihey all
03:53:40Falco98pjo: use lossless if you must, but you're using up a LOT of unnecessary space if it's only for listening on your DAP
03:53:42Falco98hey JD
03:54:04*sharpe is bored.
03:54:21Falco98Jd|uni: got a question for you.. not even about that patch O:-)
03:54:57pjoFalcon: i am aware of that
03:55:17Falco98pjon: k, just wanted to make sure
03:55:43Jd|unifalco: shoot
03:55:54pjohave you guys experinced make errors regarding LCD driver ?
03:56:44Falco98can you think of any way to run a quick test in RB to tell if the "upcoming" file is the real "next" file (i.e. is in the same folder, and is lexigraphically succeeding..)?
03:57:02Falco98as in, the next track in an album in well-named files...
03:57:20Jd|uniwell.. checking if its the same folder is easy... we've done that already
03:57:37Jd|unichecking if its actually next might be more complecated...
03:57:57Falco98but i want to compare the "next up file" to "currently playing"
03:58:05Jd|uniyou could open the folder and read through each file and check if its the next file.. (assuming the file list is in order..)
03:58:25Jd|uniu can grab the next file easily with the playulist.h api's
03:58:36AghasterFalco98: have you read the article?
03:58:42Falco98Aghaster: yup
03:58:59Aghasterquite an interesting article. it made me think
03:59:38Falco98a bit panicky, but meh
03:59:49Falco98i agree strongly with the general criticism of DRM
04:00:07Aghasterthe problem is that people do not see they gradually loose rights
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04:00:39sharpei think i'm done for today, possibly a few days after today.
04:01:01Aghasterbut now that you got the pdf, there are a bunch of other articles i'm sure you'll be interested in
04:01:11Aghaster2600 is a great magazine.
04:01:11sharpegoodnight everyone.
04:01:17Aghastergood night sharpe
04:02:04Jd|unifark this... cbf staying for this prac :D
04:02:07Jd|uniim giong home
04:02:29Jd|uniwell.. back in 30min or something
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05:23:51Apostle^on ipod nano how do you get back to the area where you see the currently playing song from a seperate menu?
05:24:05BHSPitLappy"Now Playing" on the main menu
05:24:17BHSPitLappysorry, I wasn't in the Rockbox mindset there
05:24:40Apostle^i don't seem to see it...
05:24:51BHSPitLappysorry, I was talking Apple OS.
05:24:56Apostle^on the page with "browse plugins" ?
05:25:01Apostle^oh okay..
05:25:05BHSPitLappytry PLAY from there
05:25:16BHSPitLappyit's kind of hard to get all the keys down
05:25:56BHSPitLappyumm... can you hit MENU several times and get there?
05:26:06Apostle^seems to work some times ...
05:26:07treqyou mean when you're on any menu to go back to the current playing song?
05:26:39Apostle^with volume control etc.
05:27:00treqat least for me, if I'm not on a menu where play/pause is a used key
05:27:10treqthen pressing play/pause jumps to now playing
05:27:13Apostle^also, have their been any ipod nano updates, i converted rockbox a few months ago and have not updated since
05:27:20treq(not holding, just pressing)
05:27:51treqrockbox updates?
05:27:54Apostle^okay, i think i got that down
05:28:03BHSPitLappyApostle^: the updates never stop. (with the exception of this freeze we're currently in, that is :))
05:28:05Apostle^yea, like updates to functionality etc.
05:28:22treqjust keep installing the daily builds
05:28:23BHSPitLappyif your build is a few months old, then it's out of dayte.
05:28:23Apostle^how do i compare my rockbox ver to the current one for ipod nano?
05:28:26BHSPitLappydate, even
05:28:44Apostle^and rockbox is great btw ;-)
05:29:00BHSPitLappycommon knowledge
05:29:11Apostle^indeed sir
05:29:35Apostle^i'm on linux so the drap+drop of music instead of having to use gtkpod is amazingly time saving
05:29:58treqdo you use amarok?
05:30:06Apostle^yea i do
05:30:28treqI'm starting to code an amarok plugin for rockbox
05:30:36Apostle^really, what would it do?
05:30:37treqor, read it the other way around
05:30:47Apostle^i'd be glad to help test
05:30:50treqmedia device
05:31:08treqtrying to add a "rockbox device"
05:31:13Apostle^I see
05:31:21Apostle^but i wonder why since you can just drag+drop rockbox
05:31:39treqthat works if you have a few files
05:31:57Apostle^i have a nano so like 10 or so albums anyway
05:32:02Apostle^but i love it ;-)
05:32:17treqI want to use amarok to manage my playlists for rockbox
05:32:21Apostle^all my tool albums ;-P
05:32:30Apostle^ahh, i usually don't make playlists
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05:32:43treqand an organized collection
05:32:45Apostle^I should make one for all my favorite songs though
05:33:18Apostle^say, does anyone know how I get to the page with themes for ipod nano?
05:33:45Apostle^thank you sir
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05:36:48enzymeany one know anything about the sony nw-hd1
05:36:49Apostle^when installing a rockbox update, do i just replace all the files in the rockbox with the files in the .zip ?
05:37:07Falco98Apostle^: yeah, basically
05:37:20Apostle^Falco98, thank you
05:37:49Falco98just be prepared for it to wipe out your current settings, unless you've saved them as a .cfg file
05:38:20Falco98and if you've modified any WPS files (without creating a whole new file, which is the way it should be done), it'll wipe that out too
05:38:31Falco98but the settings thing is easy to fix
05:39:01enzymedid the skipping of mp3 get fixed with ipod 5g
05:39:15Apostle^Falco98, settings, such as volume.. and equalizer?
05:39:22Apostle^i'm prepared to lose those.
05:40:20Falco98yeah.. and crossfade settings, which WPS you have selected, fonts, etc, etc
05:40:48Falco98though if you save a .cfg file in "manage settings", it'll reload automatically (from my experience)
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05:41:10Apostle^i see
05:41:16Apostle^i downloaded a few new themes also
05:41:21Apostle^where do they go persay ?
05:42:00Falco98that's a tiny bit more complicated than "where".. usually a theme will be a .cfg file, maybe a font, and a .wps (with corresponding folder)
05:42:19Falco98the .cfg file goes.. i guess in the "themes" folder, whereas the .wps file and its folder go in the "wps" folder
05:42:26Apostle^i see okay
05:42:34Falco98so hopefully simple i guess
05:43:10Aghastercan i install a theme for the browsing menu? i mean, not just a theme for the jukebox
05:43:25Aghasterwhen i browse the menu, i'd like to have a more nice looking interface
05:43:28Aghastercan it be done?
05:46:27Apostle^this theme has 3 folders, fonts themes wps
05:48:55AghasterHow can i convert my .lang file to a .lng file?
05:49:03Aghasteri'd like to try what i've translated so far
05:49:45Falco98aghaster: a theme will sometimes change the overall font, which can rather dramatically change the menus etc.. but AFAIK there's nothing that changes them functionally
05:50:36Falco98(i should have said "rather dramatically change the LOOK OF the menus etc...", for clarification)
05:51:18Aghasterok, so i cannot modify menus. only fonts?
05:51:56Falco98as far as i know ;-)
05:52:08enzymeany one know anything about the sony nw-hd1
05:52:10Falco98i mean, you CAN modify menus.. if you feel like completely re-coding them
05:52:40Aghasteryeah, well, i meant without recoding the whole app ;)
05:52:45Falco98enzyme: you might try asking in the general discussion forum, it seems noone's around who might know
05:53:32Falco98Aghaster: honestly you could switch around what things go where in the menus without too much difficulty as long as you're careful.. but i wouldn't go so far as describing that as "fundamental functional change"
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05:57:03Aghasterdoes anybody know how do i convert from .lang to .lng ?
05:57:40*Falco98 has no idea what the syntax or purpose of a .lng file is....
05:57:52*Apostle^ guesses for a different language
05:57:57Apostle^IE: espanol
05:57:59Falco98you could always open two equivalent ones up in text-editors and see what they offer
05:58:11Falco98s/what they offer/how they compare
05:58:33Aghasternvm, i think i found out
05:58:40Aghasterthe link for the genlang script was broken
05:58:44Falco98bedtime for me
05:58:46Aghasterbut google found out.
05:58:50Aghastergood night falco
05:58:55Falco98night, good luck
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06:20:06Apostle^when setting an ipod theme, do all the folders go in .rockbox
06:20:08Apostle^or in the main ipod dir
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06:58:16midkayApostle^, what folders?
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08:48:26whatboutbobdoes anyone know if voiced menus are supported for recording on the iriver h1xx?
08:57:04midkayfor recording?
08:59:13amiconnThe recording settings menu is voiced. The recording screen is not.
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09:02:25*midkay does the green-cvs-table cheer
09:02:41whatboutbobthanks guys. is voice on the recording screen possible? (pls note I'm NOT asking for it...just trying to see if it might happen in future...some blind users are asking about it)
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09:04:42amiconnYes it is possible. Voice will interrupt montoring though.
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09:05:16whatboutbobamiconn: that's awesome. thanks.
09:05:22amiconnThis applies at least to all coldfire based targets (i.e. iriver h1x0, h300, and iaudio x5)
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09:06:02*midkay sighs
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09:07:06midkayamiconn, since you're the only dev around, and i'm not sure the 3.0 schedule, if you were up to it i wanted to suggest making the "committing tagcache" message a splash instead of the centered text since it's cut off on both sides on the 112x64 LCDs.. but i need to go to bed + it looks like more than a quick adjustment
09:07:54preglowhow would a splash change that?
09:07:58preglowdoes splashes wrap the message?
09:08:05midkaypreglow, yes, they do
09:08:25midkay'tis :)
09:08:39preglowi'll try to fix my resampler bug today
09:08:56midkaypreglow, do you know the 3.0 date?
09:08:56*amiconn sighs too
09:09:07preglowmidkay: no, but i'd guess 29th
09:09:10amiconnThere's a number of things I need to fix.
09:09:26midkay29th seems more and more likely..
09:09:52preglowthere's no reason to think of any other date, if you ask me
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09:09:55preglowwe take the latest one we can
09:09:59preglowthere's lots of stuff left to do
09:10:08midkayamiconn, never mind my message, then.. if nobody else does it within 24 hours i probably will have.
09:10:16midkaypreglow, there is? interesting..
09:10:38midkayi know from experience playback isn't working perfectly but i haven't seen much effort put into it over the past week..
09:10:41preglowand btw, no one has fixed the lang strings to be applicable for iriver unit buttons yet, no?
09:10:57LinusNno, there is a half patch in the tracker
09:10:59midkaypreglow, i don't think so, i did see a patch for that..
09:11:06amiconnBger started doing that
09:11:16amiconnDunno how far he got
09:11:28LinusNthere is some slight confusion about what to call a joystick push
09:11:37LinusN"navi", or "select"
09:11:53petur"joystick" ?
09:11:54midkayi'd vote for select = H100s, navi = H300s..
09:11:59LinusN"navi" is more or less obvious on the h300
09:12:01*amiconn reiterates his idea of using icons for the buttons
09:12:20LinusNamiconn: yes, that's a good idea for post-3.0
09:12:40preglowLinusN: i say we call it select and think no more about it
09:12:47BHSPitLappyamiconn: how so
09:12:47preglowit's obvious which button we mean
09:12:50amiconnI'd call the joytick push 'Select' for now
09:12:52preglowat least if you ask me
09:12:53LinusNpreglow: is it?
09:12:58BHSPitLappyout of intrigue
09:13:00preglowwhat other button could be select?
09:13:08LinusNanyone on the h300
09:13:28LinusNcoule just as well be "a-b"
09:13:29preglowwell, then let's call it navi on h300
09:13:30amiconnLinusN: We're talking about h1x0, aren't we?
09:13:42amiconnOn h300 it's of course Navi
09:13:51LinusNthat's what i'm trying to say
09:14:07LinusNi think "navi" on h300 and "select" on h100 and x5
09:14:19*petur votes for "joystick"
09:14:41LinusNnot bad
09:14:51peturor "thingy in the middle"
09:14:55LinusNor maybe "stick"
09:14:59amiconnHmm, 'press Joystick' makes sense...
09:15:11whatboutbob'giggle button'?
09:15:19LinusN"select" is just a name i gave the #define
09:15:35zei just added it up, and my rio karma lasted for about 2 years and 2 months without issue, and even still only broke because of an accident
09:15:41LinusNso "joystick" is probably the best
09:16:32midkayPress Joystick sounds really nice for H100s, and Navi for H300s..
09:16:42LinusNso be it
09:16:50zegigglebutton is awesome
09:16:57zethere needs to be gigglebuttons in the world
09:17:18midkaycute, ze.. :)
09:17:35*midkay is *off* to *bed*.. nite, all..
09:18:00amiconnze: My archos recorder lasted for almost 4 years now, and is in fact still working fine...
09:18:47zeamiconn: i had an archos studio 20, an archos fm rec, and a creative nomad zen, which all 3 combined only lasted 2 years and 4 months
09:18:53zebefore i got my karma
09:20:22zealthough to be fair, i think the issues that got each of those replaced (except for the fm which i think was more serious, defective hd or something... them fm's were never that great) was silly stuff like broken connector on the power plug or headphone jack
09:20:24amiconnLinusN: Still no idea about the power drain? We're looking for something drawing an additional 50..60 mA *on average*, according to my runtime tests
09:20:45zethat i'd have resoldered if i didn't have the bestbuy service (i.e. free-upgrade :p) plan
09:20:54LinusNno, i have not looked at it since the last time
09:22:42amiconnSpeaking about batteries, the player's hardware charging circuit does a significantly better job in charging my new high-capacity batteries than our wannabe-sophisticated algorithm for recorder v1
09:24:50amiconnDo you remember how the player's charging chip is called?
09:25:50LinusNit depends on the version
09:26:16LinusNin any case, there is no charging chip in either version of the player
09:26:22LinusNonly a regulator
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09:27:26LinusNamiconn: btw, what is a "better job"?
09:27:27whatboutbobis there any over-charge protection in the iriver h1xx / rockbox?
09:27:33amiconnHmm. It seems that the regulator does some kind of intelligent regulation...
09:27:35LinusNwhatboutbob: yes
09:28:05LinusNwhatboutbob: in hardware
09:28:17amiconnLinusN: It charges them fully, faster than the recorder charging which switches to top-off/trickle way too early, and it generates less heat when the batteries are full
09:29:01*amiconn decides that today is player-day
09:29:20LinusNamiconn: the player charging is simple, non-supervised low-current
09:29:55amiconnIt charges my 2700mAh batteries in ~8 hours, so it can't be *that* low-current
09:29:57whatboutbobLinusN: a chap over at had his MicroTracker lithium battery explode in a ball of flame...just makes me damn nervous with the amount of time the iriver spends in my hip pocket. :-)
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09:30:21*amiconn has to check which chip is in there
09:31:15LinusNi believe it's the mc34063a
09:31:23LinusNin newplayer
09:31:30amiconnCharging the recorder to full-charge (rather only 90% of full charge) takes twice as long - or may take anything from 10 to 24 hours depending on how the algorithm decies
09:31:46LinusNamiconn: weird
09:32:40LinusNin any case, we will need some sort of intelligence in the v1 charging code, in case the user leaves the charger connected for a long time
09:33:11LinusNbut i agree that the algorithm might be too smart
09:34:15LinusNamiconn: i assume that you are using the latest algorithm
09:34:38LinusNand not the one in the older versions of bootbox
09:38:14preglowwouldn't some low battery shutdown measures be good now that it's release time? talking iriver
09:40:01peturthere's a patch in the tracker for that
09:40:04preglowwould it be hard to put something not extremely sucky in place?
09:40:15LinusNi guess
09:40:21LinusNit would be possiblt
09:41:06LinusNthe h300 boot will need some changes
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09:49:01JdGordonmidkay: i see your working on brickmania?? rekon u can add random level generation before 3.0 ? :D
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09:58:19LinusNwhat do you guys think about holding right/left for the horizontal scroll feature in the browser instead of the on+left/right combination? (patch #5182)
09:58:29LinusNi like it
09:58:41LinusNand i'm a fan of one-handed operation
09:59:02preglowme too
09:59:06preglowthe fewer combos, the better
09:59:15LinusNhow would it work on the ipods?
09:59:19preglowpoorly :)
09:59:30LinusNthought so...
09:59:39preglowbut no
09:59:41linuxstbWhy? Wouldn't it be the same?
09:59:44preglowi would work ok, i guess
10:00:19LinusNwell, the ipod port is "buggy crap" anyway, isn't it :-)
10:00:24preglownot only buggy
10:00:27preglowit's smelly and ugly too
10:00:34JdGordonand sounds like a bag of shit..
10:00:38JdGordondont forget that/..
10:00:41preglowyeah, that too
10:01:10LinusNi love it
10:01:50linuxstbI've already sent him his refund.
10:02:02LinusNno! i did too
10:02:14LinusNthen ge got twice the amount
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10:02:45linuxstbSo he owes us a working Rockbox...
10:02:57preglowit's cute
10:04:23preglowwe still got data aborts on mp3s on ipods?
10:04:32LinusNi wouldn't know
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10:30:56amiconnLinusN: Yes, of course I'm running the latest charging code on my v1
10:31:09LinusNjust checking
10:31:58amiconnHolding left/right for the horizontal scroll won't work on Ondio
10:32:11LinusNi know
10:32:13amiconn(and I still don't really understand the purpose of horizontal scroll
10:33:44LinusNondio would still have to use the combo
10:34:19LinusNamiconn: do you really mean that you don't understand the purpose of the horizontal scroll?
10:34:42amiconnI understand what it does... just I don't understand what one would need it for
10:34:45LinusNor do you mean that you personally don't have a need for it?
10:35:38amiconnI mean, the current line scrolls anyway
10:35:49LinusNit's simple. if you have very long filenames with the song title at the end, it makes it easier to navigate
10:36:12LinusNotherwise you would have to wait for the scroll for every file name
10:36:39amiconnImho it just makes navigation more confusing... since you don't see the beginnings of the names if you're scrolled right
10:37:03LinusNfor many files, the beginning of the file name is the same
10:37:27LinusNthe artist name followed by the album name
10:37:33amiconnNot here...
10:37:41LinusNnot for you, perhaps
10:37:53amiconnEither you see a varying amount of the beginning (if 'scroll out of view' is off), or you might see nothing at all of the name
10:38:23amiconnThe album name as part of the file name???
10:38:32LinusNa common thing
10:38:48*amiconn has no single file with the album name as part of the file name
10:39:21LinusNi'm still not talking about *your* file names
10:39:28amiconnOf course not
10:39:54amiconnBut still, I find it so confusing that I never use it even on archos, with its low-res display
10:40:01preglowamazingly common, yes
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10:40:19preglowi've used the feeature a couple of times on music other people ripped
10:40:23preglowbeats having to rename them
10:40:40linuxstbI would prefer to rename them...
10:40:44amiconnRenaming is a few mouse cliks... in tools like TheGodFather
10:40:55preglowand a single command in linux
10:40:59preglowi still can't be bothered
10:40:59LinusNlast time i looked, rockbox had no mouse support
10:41:28amiconnYeah, but last time I looked, rockbox had no ripping support either... you have to put the tracks on it from a PC (or record them yourself) ;)
10:42:11LinusNmy point is, we could remove a lot of rockbox functions if everybody had the same habits
10:42:27preglowgood idea, let's do that
10:42:29preglowaccording to my habits
10:42:31amiconnThat's correct
10:42:33preglowplaylists go!
10:42:47linuxstbRemove all codecs apart from FLAC
10:42:58preglowremove FLAC !
10:43:06linuxstbThat would simplify the playback engine...
10:43:11LinusNin fact, let's just keep the games
10:43:22preglowTHAT would simplify the playback engine
10:43:25amiconnLinusN: My point is just that there are features which are in common use, and features which are more or less esoteric
10:43:25linuxstbRemove all games apart from bubbles and pacbox
10:43:34peturif you don't want any options, stay with the original firmware
10:43:45LinusNamiconn: do you know what functions are in common use?
10:43:48amiconnAnd I do think that the common features should have priority when assigning buttons etc
10:44:21LinusNwhat other common function would you like to assign to the hold-left/right buttons in the browser?
10:45:44LinusNi'd dare to say that no rockbox developer really knows how the "regular" users use rockbox
10:45:57LinusNpartly because there are no "regular" users
10:46:11LinusNthose users use the original firmware
10:48:06amiconnlinuxstb, preglow: If it was for me, the first thing we could remove would be crossfading
10:48:28LinusNwhich i believe is a pretty popular feature
10:48:33amiconnLinusN: Perhaps we should do some kind of user poll...
10:49:30LinusNamiconn: would be interesting, but not more than that
10:49:51peturfollowing the results of that poll, all features that amiconn uses get removed :P
10:50:19linuxstbAll WPSs must use at least 50 individual bitmaps...
10:51:45amiconnWe should also make some kind of (high-level) feature list. I know that it will never be 100% complete though...
10:52:05preglowi don't use crossfade myself
10:52:08preglowbut i'd never remove that
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10:52:13preglowit's a major feature
10:52:16LinusNi use it occasionally
10:52:29preglowone of the things that separate rockbox from the rest
10:52:32LinusNa very nice feature for party mode
10:53:17preglowif it was up to me, i'd remove the equaliser!
10:53:33*amiconn immediately switches off all fading when (re-)configuring rockbox
10:54:03LinusNcrossfade is not enabled by default, iirc
10:54:07preglowvolume fading is
10:54:19preglowthe annoying bugger
10:54:22amiconnpreglow: I would actually use the equaliser - on units with no hw tone control - if it would be possible
10:54:36preglowi've never used it yet
10:54:39amiconnPerformance on ipod doesn't allow it yet
10:54:39preglowexcept for playing around, that is
10:55:05preglowwe need some kind of settings acceleration better matched to the wheel
10:55:17preglowgod, it's boring rotating that thing for hours to get where you want
10:55:36preglowapple does it very nicely in its file browser
10:56:01amiconnApple has a file browser??? That's new to me...
10:56:13preglowwell, blah
10:56:27preglowfile browser/browser/metadata browser/rofl/lol
10:57:23amiconnI had no problems with the wheel speed so far... I actually think the wheel is a bit too sensitive
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11:14:39preglowsensitivity is another matter
11:15:07preglowmy point is that the wheel is an excellent way to be able to control list acceleration, and we should use it
11:15:40linuxstbThere is what looks like it might be a reasonable patch in the patch tracker for that.
11:16:15amiconnDoesn't it accelerae like button repeat on all targets?
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11:17:27linuxstbI don't think so.
11:17:35preglowi don't think that's adequate anyway
11:17:42preglowbut no, i don't think it does
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11:18:53h_ivanovhi, guys.. is anybody interested in developing for priVileg AD-9625?
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11:25:09h_ivanovi will try to provide as much as needed for such a thing
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11:27:17preglowwill you also provide people to do the port? :)
11:27:38linuxstbIs it only available in Bulgaria?
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11:28:45h_ivanovlinuxstb: i don't know.. it's a chinece product, i suppose
11:29:17h_ivanovbut i guess i could manage to tell you at least the site, if not the specs itself
11:29:22markunlinuxstb: I've sent an email to Samsung about the SA58450X01. Let's hope they can give us some info.
11:30:41linuxstbmarkun: They seem to be relatively open about their other chips, so maybe you'll get a nice reply. Can you remind me which player uses that?
11:32:05markuniriver T10. The T20 users the X2 and the U10 the X3
11:32:23markunX02 and X03
11:33:40markunAlso the H10 junior uses the SA58450X01
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12:41:25Genre9mp3haha....another golden quote by Linus...
12:42:54XavierGr_I edited the wiki page as soon as possible
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12:48:42JdGordonhey all
12:48:51JdGordonis the freeze going one more week?
12:50:07XavierGr_more probably though I am not sure.
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13:02:17german_snaili'm reading the CustomWPS doc... what does "The file may be 2 lines long for the Player, 13 lines for the Recorder and 26 lines for the iriver models (with native Rockbox font)." mean?
13:03:07peturthe number of text lines available on a certain device?
13:03:22theli_uai guess it just explains how many lines would fit into dfferent target's LCD with default font
13:03:33peturfor the bitmapped players this will depend on the font of course
13:05:13german_snailwho the hell edits the WPS file from the player anyway
13:06:08peturwait until we supprt usb keyboards and mouse :)
13:06:26german_snailand bluetooth
13:06:49linuxstbAnd TV output on the ipods...
13:06:55german_snaili'm sure the next gen ipods will have bluetooth
13:06:56peturno rockboxable dap has bluetooth yet
13:07:07linuxstbUSB->Bluetooth adapter?
13:07:25*petur creeps back under his rock
13:09:24XavierGrpetur USB OTG!!!
13:09:24german_snaillinuxstb, is that possible for ipod?
13:09:27*XavierGr drools
13:10:09peturrelated note: I have to write two usb drivers for CE at work, so I'll be learning usb :D
13:10:24XavierGrthen hooray \o/
13:10:38muesli|delhiXavierGr did i miss something?
13:10:38*XavierGr throws confetti ~~~~~
13:10:55muesli|delhiust otg worx for irivers?
13:11:05XavierGrmuesli|delhi: petur is going to learn more on USB
13:11:39muesli|delhii only wish the h300 lcd remote would work *dream*
13:12:18peturmuesli|delhi: there is still a problem accessing the usbotg chip... once that works it might go much faster...
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13:22:04peturgerman_snail: you still want to ask me something?
13:22:53german_snailnoob programming question
13:23:16german_snaili washed my mouth out after saying the word 'pascal'
13:23:40german_snailbut i'm gonna say it again:
13:23:55german_snailjust curious, would it be possible to code rockbox in pascal?
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13:24:25german_snailnot rockbox, but a program that would replace mac firmware
13:24:33german_snailam i making sense?
13:25:16peturhaven't looked at pascal since I left school, but I guess it should be possible
13:25:28linuxstbThere's a GNU Pascal compiler based on gcc, so maybe.... But what do you mean by "replace mac firmware" ?
13:26:58german_snailwell isn't that what rockbox does?
13:27:38linuxstbRockbox replaces the original firmware in ipods. It's nothing to do with macs.
13:28:37german_snailapple firmware then
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14:29:30preglowlinuxstb: you know if we can detect the usb power status on ipods yet?
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14:32:34preglowyes we can, it seems
14:35:00lostlogicare we releasign today or something?
14:35:14lostlogicwhat's the plan?
14:35:23preglowi'm just assuming 29t
14:35:45lostlogicokies. that's good, I should have more time this week than last so I can actually fix some bugs before then.
14:35:53XavierGrthat's the wird thing there is no plan :D
14:35:56preglowi had a bug where i got stuck at the end of a track the other day, btw
14:36:05preglowi tried skipping backwards when at the very end of a track
14:36:20lostlogicwithin pcmbuf seconds of the end?
14:36:24preglowprogress indicator stuck there, but track started again when i tried to skip. could not skip to other tracks however
14:36:31preglowit was at the very very end
14:37:11lostlogichmmmmm, frustrating that is, along with the seeking in the last pcmbuf seconds.
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14:41:14amiconnHmm, there's still some weirdness with playlists
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14:42:34preglownobody uses playlists anyway!
14:42:53Moosm3u, or on the fly?
14:43:28preglowall in all, playback seems pretty solid to me
14:43:35preglowvoice ui, however, is not, they say
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14:45:49XavierGrstrange thing with Voice UI is how slow it can get when browsing.
14:46:09XavierGrIt tries to voice all entries even if the user gets paste them quickly...
14:46:34*petur noticed that too
14:46:47XavierGrpaste = past
14:47:18XavierGr(damn my typing skills are getting far worse than preglow's :D )
14:47:51LinusNlostlogic: how about the semaphore issue we discussed last time?
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14:49:02silentI had a quick question
14:49:08XavierGrshoot it
14:49:26silenti just wanted to know how to install fonts for themes
14:49:55XavierGrdownload the font pack from the daily builds
14:50:17silentok cool
14:50:23silentand how do I switch to them
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14:50:52XavierGrfrom General Settings choose Display option then Change font (or somehting similar)
14:51:00silentthank you
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14:57:00amiconnpreglow: You always use playlists when playing music in rockbox
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15:07:32preglowamiconn: i know, but that's just an unfortunate consequence of the design ;)
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15:08:18XavierGrpreglow: I don't see that as unfortunate. If it hadn't got some bugs it would be ideal.
15:10:44*Moos love the *best* playlist concept there is for DAP
15:10:59MoosGlory for hardeep ;)
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15:13:46webguest55the playlist catalog which Hardeep finished works just fine, very nice feature
15:14:28Moosthis is for post 3.0
15:14:36midkayJdGordon, haha. hmm... :)
15:14:48webguest55yes, but I'm running it now
15:14:55Mooshehe :)
15:15:36midkaybasic random generation should be pretty simple actually..
15:15:42midkaypre-3.0, i dunno.. :)
15:16:44webguest55I cant find the "coffe at 5am" feature, that would complete rockbox for me
15:17:15Mooshaha :D
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15:19:28peturPaulJam: backdrops working fine now?
15:20:32PaulJampetur: i haven't experienced any problems, but i haven't tested much
15:21:03PaulJampetur: thanks for the fix
15:23:41Moosfor the reworw even :P
15:27:35linuxstbpetur: Yes, thanks for cleaning up my mess...
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15:57:07preglowhe hates you now
16:02:53whatboutboblostlogic: preglow's right...cut your losses and run.
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17:53:40ColossusHey. I'm having a problem with rockbox on an iPod Mini 2g. I got the tagcache to work, mostly, but now it won't forget files−−-I had to remove a couple m4as and replace them with oggs, but it still lists them on the "tracks" listing. When I try to play them, though, it just stops.
17:56:20PaulJamAutomatic removing of files form TagCache is not yet implemented. You need to force the tagcache update manually.
17:57:01ColossusAlright. I think I may have done that already, though.
17:58:10ColossusNope, forcing the update didn't fix it.
17:58:31ColossusIs there a way that I can delete the tag cache and reform it?
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17:59:37PaulJamhave you rebooted after forcing the update?
17:59:44ColossusJust trying that now.
17:59:55ColossusRebooting as in hard reset, or rebooting as in turning it off and then on again?
18:00:26PaulJamturning off and on
18:00:35ColossusNope, that didn't work.
18:00:44ColossusWait, assuming that I'm letting the update go through.
18:00:51XavierGrreset does the same bu there is no need for it.
18:01:00ColossusIt shows the busy sign in the upper right corner, and I've been waiting until that icon goes away.
18:01:20PaulJamthen i have no idea (i'm not using tagcache)
18:02:12ColossusDo you know where the tagcache itself is kept?
18:02:54PaulJami think tagcache creates some files in the .rockbox directory, you could try to remove them
18:03:06ColossusThat's what I was thinking.
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18:06:03ColossusOh, yeah, that's pretty easy to find. They're all named “tagcache_0x”
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18:06:55Mikachufancy quotes
18:07:12ColossusHeh. Sorry. I'm more used to them.
18:09:18Mikachui have heard the complaint before but i don't remember what the reply was, but i'm assuming it will be fixed sooner or later
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18:13:38ColossusYeah, the fix seems to be deleting the tagcache files.
18:13:44ColossusNot simple, but not that bad, either.
18:16:10ColossusAlright, now it says it can't find the codec to play mp3s.
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18:16:26Mikachudid you update rockbox.ipod without updating .rockbox?
18:16:43Colossusand has “can??” as the title for the current song.
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18:16:51ColossusI don't think I updated either rockbox.ipod or .rockbox
18:16:58Mikachuoh heh
18:17:05ColossusI mean, I deleted the tagcache files from .rockbox/, but ...
18:17:37markunbut you still have the mp3 codec?
18:17:51XavierGrah hello markun ;p
18:17:52ColossusThat's a good question.
18:18:00markunhi XavierGr!
18:18:03ColossusIt occurs to me that it's entirely possible that I've only been playing oggs and m4as.
18:18:06markunDon't worry, I will commit today :)
18:18:25ColossusI have mpa.codec and mpc.codec
18:18:30amiconnThat's a known bug I told Slasheri numerous times
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18:19:10Mikachumaybe a good time to fix it
18:19:19amiconnIf you update tagcache and don't have dircache + tagcache in ram enabled, it will show that weird mpa.codec error and not show any files after tagcache commit on next boot
18:19:45amiconnI have no idea what causes the error. Possibly tagcache messes with the dirbrowser buffer
18:19:51ColossusWhere do I enable dircache + tagcache in ram?
18:19:55amiconnThe solution is to reboot once more
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18:21:05ColossusThank you very much.
18:24:23XavierGramiconn: any plans to make Disk Power off default? This issue is definitely a 3.0 one.
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18:30:01enzymeany one here use the nw-hd1 with mp3 support
18:33:42markunenzyme: I don't, but why do you ask?
18:36:22enzymebecause when i put the music on the player it converts the files to oma files, and i cant take the music off of my player
18:36:31preglowthis channel is about rockbox
18:36:38preglowwe don't support that player
18:37:02enzymei know i thought some one here would know something about it
18:37:10markunenzyme: isn't there a sony walkman forum?
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19:15:37kkurbjundoes anyone have a mini they're using rockbox on?
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19:16:00kkurbjunipod mini that is
19:19:17XavierGrkkurbjun: I think amiconn has one
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19:22:01kkurbjunhmm, I was wondering because when my 1g "shutsdown" it sometimes leaves 1 or 2 black bars on the LCD which end up getting burned in even after only a few minutes of leaving it like this. By burned in I mean they keep showing after I've powered the ipod back on. It takes them a while to go away and I was wondering if this was known or common. My mini is modified a bit...
19:22:17kkurbjunamiconn has a 2g mini I think though too
19:23:55amiconnI know that effect
19:24:12amiconnWe need to shut down the lcd controller properly on ipod, which we don't do yet
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19:24:52kkurbjunamiconn: ahh, ok, where's the shutdown code located? do you know if ipod linux has this problem also?
19:25:12amiconnXavierGr: The question is, do we want to keep the option for disk poweroff, and only enable it by default, or do we want to enable it completely, and get rid of the option altogether?
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19:25:45amiconnI measured spinup times a bit, for H1x0 it takes ~0.5 sec longer to spin up from powered off state
19:25:52amiconn(3.1 sec versus 2.6 sec)
19:26:09amiconnFor archos, the difference is considerably smaller for whatever reason
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19:26:27kkurbjunit seems to eat quite a bit of my battery when this happens too
19:26:48amiconnkkurbjun: I dunno whether ipl has the same problem, I don't have it installed, and won't install it either
19:27:11amiconnI installed it once, it ran exactly one time. After shutdown and power up, it didn't boot anymore
19:27:19scorche`:you there? =)
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19:28:46kkurbjunno, I was just wondering if they know how to properly shutdown the lcd or if we have any documentation on the lcd?
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19:29:08amiconnThe datasheets are available, both for the mono and the colour lcd controller
19:29:42XavierGramiconn: so what's your vote?
19:29:44kkurbjunok, i'll look into that then
19:30:02kkurbjunso this is an issue with more then just the mini's?
19:30:05amiconnI only didn't do it yet b/c ipod isn't a 3.0 release target
19:30:43amiconnFor the other targets it doesn't seem to be needed, but it sounds like a good idea to do it for all
19:31:21amiconnIt's just a matter of adding a new unction to all lcd driver (lcd_shutdown() or sth like that)
19:31:34amiconn*function, drivers
19:31:59kkurbjunI see, I was just interested in having my mini shutdown right because sometimes I forget to restart the mini in the apple os
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19:32:35kkurbjunI don't know what damage this can cause the the lcd also if any
19:32:39amiconnWhy do you start retailos?
19:32:57*amiconn removed retailos from the firmware partition
19:33:01kkurbjunI just start it so I don't have to worry about the bars being "burned" in
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19:33:37kkurbjunI don't know if this is true also, but it seems to really drain the battery when that happens also
19:33:46vin`I can't seem to get the power up, the battery is mostly empty in the graphic, haven't had any problems yet, is the icon for real?
19:34:07vin`kkurbjun: when what happens? missed it.
19:34:31amiconnkkurbjun: I didn't observe that at all
19:34:49kkurbjunwhen the mini shutsdown sometimes bars are left on the screen that end up getting left into the screen. Yeah, I'm not sure if that
19:35:09kkurbjun's actually happening as I havnt' really checked the battery meter before and after
19:35:16amiconnAll I get is a little black bar from time to time. It never appears when the poweroff time was very short, and it also doesn't appear when the poweroff time was very long
19:35:35amiconn(very long meaning a day or so)
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19:35:56kkurbjunhmm, so you don't get the bar burned in?
19:36:59amiconnIt looks like you described when it appears (pure black first, then slowly fading), but it only happens sometimes, and only when the poweroff time was neither too short nor too long
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19:38:28amiconnIt's definitely not good for the lcd when this happens often, so it should be fixed,
19:38:39amiconnbut it doesn't seem to be too harful either
19:38:49kkurbjunhmm, I acidentally left it like that overnight and it took it a long time to go away. When I noticed it within a few minutes and restarted it went away much quicker
19:39:19kkurbjunalso I had just charged my battery and ran it for about 30 minutes and then it shutdown, the batery was dead in the morning
19:39:46kkurbjunbut I don't know what to typically expect for runtimes in rockbox
19:40:04kkurbjunit's a new battery too, 800mah I think
19:40:22amiconnI think one of the charge pump capacitors of the lcd controller doesn't discharge fast enough, and the lcd controller clock stops when the voltage gets too low, so the resident charge gets applied to whatever lcd row was switched on at that moment
19:40:52amiconnmini 1g or 2g?
19:41:10amiconn(g == generation)
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19:41:31kkurbjun750 that is.. mini 1g, but I don't have the hitachi drive in there either. It's just a CF card
19:42:10kkurbjunseems to run fine other then the lcd problem.. it's almost all the time for me
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19:42:14amiconnHmm. The 1st gen is listed as having significantly shorter battery life
19:42:22kkurbjundon't know if that CF card affects that too though
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19:43:04amiconnApple promises 8 hours for 1st gen (stock 400 mAh battery)
19:43:19amiconn2nd gen should reach 18 hours (stock 630 mAh battery)
19:43:32amiconnRockbox manages ~10 hours on 2nd gen
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19:43:40kkurbjunwow, that is a big difference
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19:44:11amiconnYes, we need to find the disk poweroff control (I'm pretty sure there is one)
19:44:20kkurbjunI wonder what causes that. the 1g has a different pp chip only correct
19:44:33kkurbjunfrom the 2g that is
19:44:52amiconnDifferent PP, different button/wheel electronics, and an 8bit interface to the lcd
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19:45:23kkurbjunI would think the CF card would have better runtimes though.. what's the interface on the 2g?
19:45:26amiconnThe mini 2nd gen is the only greyscale ipod that has a 16bit interface to the lcd controller
19:45:49kkurbjunthat seems unnecessary
19:45:55amiconn(and it's also the only ipod equipped with PP5022)
19:47:09kkurbjunis the 22 more efficient power wise?
19:47:43amiconnSeems so...
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19:48:17amiconnThe PP5022 an also be clocked higher. If I want, I can have all 5 eq bands with mp3 and no skipping
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19:49:58kkurbjunthe product brief says 300% power reduction over the 20.. wonder why they didnt' use the 22 in the photo
19:50:48amiconnThey use the 5021 in nano & video
19:51:12amiconnIt's said to be a low power version of the 5020, but there's no product brief
19:51:21amiconnPerhaps the 5022 was too expensive
19:51:51kkurbjunmakes sense
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19:54:11kkurbjunamiconn: do you have a link to the lcd spec sheet for the mini's?
19:54:16silenti had another quick question
19:54:38silentis there any way to get iBoy (gameboy emulator) to run on rockbox instead of rockboy
19:55:00silentbecause the setup of the rockboy is horrible with the button configuration on an ipod
19:55:44kkurbjunnot unless you remake iboy for rockbox. I think your time would be better spent trying to fix the ipod's controls though
19:56:59markunsilent: why not just fix the button configuration for rockboy?
19:57:07silentthere just arent enough buttons on the ipod for all the functions
19:57:24markunHow does iboy fix it?
19:57:47silenton iboy the movement is on the touch of a button, not actually pressing it
19:58:50silentill be on a bit later though
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20:02:04kkurbjunamiconn, found it, nevermind
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20:06:48Genre9mp3markun, here?
20:08:49Genre9mp3I have something for you...
20:11:16markunI'll post it on mygigabeat if you don't mind
20:11:41markunWhich font did you use?
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20:12:56CalibanAnyone here running Rockbox on an X5?
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20:16:28CalibanAny X5 owners here?
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20:20:26MoosCaliban: yes?
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20:20:57FLACo98hey all
20:21:19FLACo98anything fun happening?
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20:24:22MarcoPoloanything new concerning ipod battery life with rockbox ?
20:24:40*Falco98 looks around
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20:25:11CalibanDamn, Moos left.
20:25:14markunI don't think so, but the ipod port don't have a high priority before 3.0
20:25:19CalibanAny other X5 owners here?
20:25:54XavierGrso markun:what's the current progress of the Gigabeat port?
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20:27:43MoosCaliban: I'm here for few little minutes, how can I help you?
20:29:46markunXavierGr: we're trying to display the rockbox logo on the screen, but for some reason it's not working
20:30:48linuxstbAre you still fighting the linux kernel?
20:31:14markunlinuxstb: we replaced the linux kernel
20:31:27HCllinux kernel?
20:31:39markunHCl: the toshiba gigabeat runs linux
20:32:03markunHCl: Ah, 20:30, I'll be there in a few minutes :)
20:32:05HCl :p
20:32:05linuxstbmarkun: What have you replaced it with? Your own linux kernel, or Rockbox?
20:32:28markunlinuxstb: just a test app
20:33:29linuxstbHas anyone started the work to get the Rockbox bootloader compiling?
20:34:33markunlinuxstb: I made some small changes so backlight, ata and button driver should work.
20:34:59markunAfter LCD and USB mode I think we could get the bootloader running
20:35:58markunUSB mode would be nice because we have to hot-swap the hdd to replace the kernel right now
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20:44:29Aghasterhi everybody
20:44:33Aghastersaluton markun ;)
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20:51:29CalibanMoos: hi, I was wondering if Rockbox removes the 9999 file limit on the X5, the way it does on the H140.
20:51:59ZealHey guys, I have an Ipod 2G, and I was wondering what I can do to help...
20:52:22CalibanMoos: I've been using Rockbox on an H140 for a long while, but I'd like to get an 60 Gb X5.
20:52:24amiconnmarkun: hot swap?
20:52:32MoosCaliban: no number file limit on Rockbox, that is for all devices
20:52:43MoosCaliban: I've got both too
20:52:46CalibanMoos: However, it's only useful to me if I can use Rockbox and go beyond 9999 files.
20:52:51CalibanMoos: That's great news
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20:53:25CalibanI wasn't sure if it was an OS limit or that the file-system itself was somehow limited to 9999 files on the X5.
20:53:31Moosall Rockbox devices have'nt this limit
20:53:49CalibanThat's great news. Out of interest, why do you own both devices?
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20:54:31Moosmy ihp 140 is 2 1/2 years old now :)
20:54:53Moosand my X5 60GB have something like 2 months
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20:55:09Calibanyeah, mine, too, but it's still the best player out there, IMHO. Of course, I don't actually own the X5 yet.
20:55:24CalibanDo you prefer the X5 or the iHP140?
20:55:27markunamiconn: yes, original bootloader enters USB mode if it doesn't detect a hdd.
20:55:54Moosyeah for pure music I think so the h140 is the best, but I wanted to switch for more storage+color
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20:56:32CalibanMoos: Agreed. If there were an iHP160, I would want that instead.
20:56:44CalibanI don't care about the colour so much.
20:57:05w0ngis v3 "officially" comming out today? or is it slated for the 29th?
20:57:07AghasterAre there any esperantists in here? / Cxu estas esperantistoj cxi tie?
20:57:22AghasterI'm currently working on the Esperanto translation, so anybody who's interested please message me
20:57:35CalibanI need to find somewhere that sells the car charger for the X5 in Europe.
20:57:37linuxstbw0ng: I think the 29th.
20:57:38MoosCaliban: switch to color isn't too bad neither ;)
20:57:53w0ngalrihty :)
20:57:57CalibanMoos: sure, if it's there also, it's a bonus.
20:57:59w0ngfucking keyboard
20:58:38CalibanMoos: do you have an opinion on which device gives better sound, the iHP140 or the X5?
20:58:46MoosCaliban: a good one :) , but my h140 still working like a charm and I still love it, but my main device is X5 now
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20:59:27Moosboth have good quality imho, but I don't think there is noticiable difference betwen them
21:00:03MoosI remenber with the 2-3 days I tested cowan fw, the sound was quite impressive with bass and all
21:00:27CalibanGreat. Well, I think that tips me over the edge. I'll order the X5 from a shop here in .nl tonight./
21:00:39Mooshehe :)
21:00:40CalibanIt'll be great to have a 60 Gb player.
21:00:46MoosI think so
21:00:58MoosI really love my X5 Rockbox ;)
21:01:05CalibanI just hope they get the battery life to be a little better soon.
21:01:19Mooslet's hope in Rockbox
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21:01:47PaulJam_Caliban: why don't you just change the harddrive of your h140?
21:01:56Moosif there wasn't Rockbox, I probably didn't buy one X5 anyway :)
21:01:56CalibanMoos: do you know a good source for the X5 car adapter? I haven't found a shop in this country that has it.
21:02:17MoosI don't use this sorry
21:02:25CalibanPaulJam_: It seemed like a lot of hassle. I love my iHP140 and didn't want to mess with it.
21:02:50CalibanMoos: I agree. I've been waiting to get an X5 until Rockbox was a little further along.
21:03:09Mooswith Rockbox, it rocks ;)
21:03:15Moosanyway time to go out
21:03:18Moosc you all
21:03:26MoosCaliban: hope I helped you
21:03:26CalibanOK, thanks for your answers to my questions.
21:03:30w0ngi wish rockbox could have my babies!
21:03:32Calibanyes, you did
21:03:33Moosnno problems
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21:04:55Aghasteri like that quit message :P
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21:08:24Falco98i just started my h140 for the first time since last night, and it booted into the factory software...
21:08:28Falco98for no particular reason
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21:09:18Falco98hm.. rockbox loaded fine this time
21:10:22Falco98i've found a bug in general shuffle mode
21:10:38Falco98ermm.. that is to say, a bug with using "insert shuffled"
21:10:53Falco98(but not in "shuffle mode" player-wise)
21:11:27Falco98if you start a playlist by doing an "insert shuffled", and it starts playing on track X, and it reads "1 of XXX" (referring to your position in the dynamic playlist)...
21:12:30Falco98if you then stop / restart and resume playback, it resumes on the correct song, in the correct spot, but the dynamic playlist has been fux0red −− mine is now reading "96 of XXX" when a second ago it was reading "1"
21:12:54Falco98 wth is that all about?
21:13:35*linuxstb points to hardeep
21:16:06*Falco98 has always been a little confused by the numbering of things in the playlist-control file
21:16:36*Falco98 is just relieved it's not a bug in the "insert random folders" patch, since it happens similarly there
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21:19:43PaulJam_Falco98: have you verified this with a "clean" cvs build?
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21:25:49Falco98Paul: nope.. though i'm relatively confident that my patch doesn't interfere with or affect "insert shuffled" at all
21:26:50Falco98you wanna try for me real quick? just do "insert shuffled" on a folder with a bunch of subfolders and files and stuff.. then stop, and resume playback, and note your position in the dynamic playlist
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21:32:10hardeepFalco98: i had fixed a similar bug a week or so ago, are you using latest cvs?
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21:33:39hardeepyeah, it's working fine for me
21:34:09PaulJam_for me this bug happens too, but im currently using a patched build
21:36:17Falco98hardeep: the build i observe the bug in is only 3 days old
21:36:20Falco98the 19th
21:36:35Falco98i'm currently compiling an instance of the simulator based on today's daily, unpatched
21:36:44Falco98so i can see if it's isolated or not :-P
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21:36:50hardeepFalco98: okay, let me know if it still happens with unpatched
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21:39:21*Falco98 wonders where one would get iAmp now that WPS' aren't included in daily builds
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21:44:04hardeepaha, i reproduced it
21:44:22hardeephappens when you insert shuffled with shuffle mode off
21:44:36hardeepwill take a look
21:44:55Falco98i noticed it when i would be using "insert tree randomly" then restart later
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21:45:20Falco98the track-playing would be correct, but the positioning in the dynamic PL would be somewhere between "off" and "WAY off"
21:45:42Falco98(and, of course, when doing "insert tree randomly" one would typically have shuffle off)
21:46:10*scorche` has shuffle on when doing the above for some odd reason
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21:46:52Falco98when doing which?
21:47:09scorche`insert shuffled
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21:49:12l337dexteri have a question for any of all if you can help (Rockbox on iPod 4g)
21:49:23scorche`then say it >_>
21:49:35Falco98to do so makes sense when listening to an already-shuffled list in shuffle mode, and you want to add something.. but if you do a big "insert shuffled" to generate your playlist and don't want it further messed with, you leave shuffle mode off :-P
21:50:00*Falco98 chuckles.. i pass a mailbox with "1337" written in big white painted numbers almost every day
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21:50:24l337dexterok, i install the bootloader, it works, i took a build from may 10, put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod into the root of my ipod, and when it tries to boot, it just sits at the Rockbox screen that shows the cvs version
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21:50:33Falco98hardeep: you beat me to it, but just to make sure i just reproduced it via the latest clean build
21:50:34*scorche` sees nothing wrong with further messing with a shuffled playlist
21:51:25Falco98scorche`: agreed, but there may be some cases where someone might not want it so
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21:51:36scorche`but not for me =)
21:51:42dunnohardeep, your thoughts on giving the wps context > playlist catalog > view <== a different name ? perhaps Catalog List
21:51:48Falco98l337dexter: how about a more recent build?
21:52:03l337dexterwell i tried todays and yesterdays build first but it does the same thing
21:52:16hardeepdunno: i'm okay with whatever name... however, the playlist catalog->view implies viewing the playlist catalog, not the playlist imo
21:52:42PaulJam_l337dexter: are you using an ipod g4?
21:52:57l337dexter@paul: yes
21:53:28dunnoHardeep, it doesn't have the same functionality as the normal playlists "view", thats why I was thinking of naming it differently
21:53:50Aghaster1337, i had that issue once. i installed daily build and never had that problem again
21:54:09PaulJam_i read about this bug, the only solution i know of is to use an older buid where this doesn't happen
21:54:19l337dextershould i go before may 10?
21:54:22hardeepdunno: but the name of the context menu is different (i.e. playlist->view vs. playlist catalog->view)
21:54:55hardeepi'll change it if it confuses people of course
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21:55:04dunnoyes but the playlist view has diffent function to catalog's view
21:55:27hardeepexactly, you're vieweing a "playlist" vs. viewing a "playlist catalog"
21:55:37hardeepthey should have different functions
21:56:08hardeepbut, it's such a minor issue... i'll go ahead and change
21:56:19dunnoI must admit to it confusing me, I expected the same result in catalog view as playlist view
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21:57:36dunnoThanks for implementing this feature hardeep
21:57:37l337dexter@paul: that one works, thanks much
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21:58:37l337dexteranother question, can i start my ipod in file mode, load up my songs using itunes, and then have rockbox actaully play all those songs?
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22:00:53Falco98l337: considered ditching iTunes?
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22:01:22l337dexterfalco: should i?
22:01:24markunl337dexter: should work. Are you using tagcache?
22:03:08l337dexterwell my friend has that problem, when he starts it up it says the tagcache isn't built or someting
22:03:39Falco98l337: you could.. it would make things a bit easier, since you could just use a sane filesystem instead of the iTunes one
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22:03:58l337dexterso just make folders on it basically?
22:04:07l337dexterlike normal ppl put them on their hard drives?
22:04:09Falco98copy shit straight over
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22:04:31peturhahaha 'normal people' :)
22:04:57Falco98but if you do want to use tagcache, just have it "force update" first
22:05:03Falco98otherwise it'll show nothing
22:05:28l337dexterhow do i force update it?
22:05:38*amiconn spots hardeep
22:05:44Falco98hmm.. that i forget, it's somewhere in the menus
22:05:54hardeephey amiconn
22:06:10amiconnhardeep: Did you read about the strange effect I had when adding a dir to a playlist on my Ondio?
22:06:51Falco98amiconn: just wanted to let u know i fixed that bug you found in my "track skip + shuffle" patch which you found just after i parted a few days ago
22:06:53amiconnUnfortunately I didn't make a copy of .playlist_control ...
22:07:06hardeepamiconn: looking at it now
22:07:07amiconnFalco98: Yes, read that
22:07:35amiconnhardeep: There's more to it. After restarting, I kept that playlist since it appeared to work properly again.
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22:07:58hardeepamiconn: the playlist code should be thread safe... at least we try to take a mutex around all playlist/control accesses
22:08:18hardeepamiconn: it might a problem with flush/reload logic in mpeg code around track changes
22:08:30amiconnA day later I decided to add another directory. Then it became totally weird: After the last old directory ended, it didn't continue with the new one.
22:08:31l337dexteris tag cache a good way to do it or not?
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22:08:47amiconnInstead, it played a track from the old part of the list....
22:08:55Falco98l337: you can but try it and see what you think
22:09:06Falco98of course, if you use a normal directory structure you could always do it both ways :-P
22:09:10amiconnThis was the point were I decided to flush the list and restart playing the dir
22:09:24hardeepthat does sound like the playlist was corrupted somehow
22:09:38amiconnWhat would cause that?
22:09:42l337dexterif i use a normal dir structure, do i show files by id3 tag or how?
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22:09:56Falco98like i said, you can do it either way
22:10:06Falco98you can use filetree navigation or do tagcache if you like that
22:10:08amiconnThe addition of the last dir was done half-way through a track, not near a track change
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22:10:24sharpehey everyone
22:10:35l337dextershould i make the dir start in the main dir of the ipod or start liek in a sub dir called music
22:10:50hardeepamiconn: only way i could see that happening is if the order of tracks in playlist was not updated correctly when you inserted the new ones
22:10:56Falco98i use a subdir called "music", but you could do it any wya you like
22:11:02hardeepdid you look at the playlist in the viewer by any chance?
22:11:09Falco98i do "music" -> "albums" -> artist list, etc
22:11:27amiconnhardeep: Unfortunately not :-(
22:11:32l337dexteri was thinking music -> artist -> album
22:11:40sharpei do music > "Artist [Album]"
22:12:15hardeepi'll take a look to see if there's anything that could cause that problem...
22:12:19Falco98i should clarify: i do "music" -> "albums", "live stuff", "soundtracks" -> "artist" -> "(year) Album"
22:12:20hardeepit sounds like it hasn't reproduced since?
22:12:42l337dexterthats happy system
22:13:14Falco98i only have it split up that specifically (with separate trees for albums, live stuff, soundtracks, etc) so i have good control over building playlists
22:13:24Falco98on my PC i just have everything by artist / album
22:14:34Falco98oh well, time to split for awhile...
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22:15:25amiconnhardeep: No, not yet. Usually I don't extend dynamic playlists by adding dirs to it, but let a dir play until it ends, then start a new one
22:16:12amiconnThis was the first time in a while I did it this way - and it caused all the weirdness
22:18:23amiconnI think it might have to do with thread because it happened on Ondio, which implies 2 things: (1) Ondio "disk" (MMC) reading is rather slow compared to the disk based units - theoritical maximum is 3MBit/s (note: MBit, not MByte) (2) Because it is slow, but uses DMA, MMC reading yields a lot - once per block
22:18:46sharpewell, i'll be leaving.
22:18:49sharpebye everyone.
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22:20:48hardeepit's very possible that i've missed a thread-related issue in the playlist code
22:21:08hardeepi'll also check flush/reload in mpeg thread as that gets called when inserting tracks
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22:40:46Aghasterwhat fonts support unicode encoding except unifont?
22:40:56Aghasteri need esperanto characters to be displayed
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22:42:06german_snailanyone compared sound quality of original ipod firmware VS rockbox? playing the same file...
22:42:27Aghastergerman_snail: well, how can you hear the difference?
22:42:29Aghasteri had both
22:42:39Aghasterrockbox lets you play more formats
22:42:44Aghasterand sound is good
22:42:56german_snailuse your ears maybe
22:43:02Aghastermy hear isn't able to notice difference..., well not with hearphones
22:43:27Aghasterbut i heard ogg format was better than mp3. i dont think apple firmware supports ogg, so you can have better sound
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22:43:34Aghasteryou can also put lossless formats with rockbox
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22:44:08german_snaili can't really comment, they must be of similar qualities... but i just got a new album which i listened to on my hi-fi (great sound), then i played the same album with my ipod with rockbox and it sounded dismal
22:44:46german_snail(new album, ie. my first listen was with hi-fi)
22:45:13german_snailobviously it's gonna be better, but i didn't expect such a difference :p
22:45:28german_snailwish i had another ipod with original firmware so i could test for sure
22:45:29Aghasteri really like rockbox
22:45:37german_snailwith muh sweet studio headphones
22:45:42Aghasterwell, simply reboot in original firmware?
22:46:10german_snaili haven't read much yet
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22:46:35Aghasterif you did not remove the original firmware, try pressing menu _as fast as you can_ when it boot
22:47:02BCMMwhere is the manual for installing rockbox on an ipod? the manual doesn't seem to cover the bootloader
22:47:09german_snailso, middle button then menu simultaneously?
22:47:53peturhmmm why does the disk spin when you open the menu?
22:48:54german_snailyou talking to me?
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22:49:37BCMMcan the ipod bootloader only be installed under Windows?
22:49:43AghasterBCMM: what OS?
22:49:46Aghasterlinux, mac, windows?
22:50:14BCMMAghaster: i'm using linux, do i have to find a windows box to install the rockbox bootloader on an ipod?
22:50:20Aghasternot at all.
22:50:31BCMMthanks, didn't see that page
22:50:35Aghasterjust read the instructions, and it does cover installation of boot loader :)
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22:50:54Aghaster(i did use it and now i enjoy my ipod with rockbox)
22:51:30BCMMwhy do you have to compile? is that the bootloader of it's installer?
22:52:26Aghastercompile? you do not need to compile
22:52:37Aghasterthe small tool is needed
22:52:53BCMMoh ok, i was worried that was the loader rather then it's installer
22:52:55Aghasterits needed to install the boot loader, thats what you need to compile
22:53:01BCMMthat's ok
22:53:26Aghasterits the program that will let you extract the original firmware and to install the bootloader
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23:08:15BCMMhow do you run the apple firmware from the bootloader? i can't seem to get the key combination right
23:08:36flamingcowhold down menu
23:08:39flamingcowat least, on my nano
23:08:53BCMMhmm, from when?
23:08:58flamingcowright from start
23:08:59flamingcowwhen it's off
23:09:02flamingcowjust press and hold menu
23:09:09BCMMyou press select and menu for five secs to reboot, right?
23:09:18flamingcowhold down play for 5 to shut down
23:09:23flamingcowthat'll make getting it easier
23:09:30BCMMoh right, shutdown not reboot
23:09:32BCMMthanks a lot
23:09:47BCMMhmmm, not working
23:09:58BCMMso once it's off, just press menu and hold it?
23:10:04BCMMi get into rockbox that way
23:10:18flamingcowyou're holding it all the way through the bootloader?
23:10:26BCMMyeah, from before it's on
23:10:39BCMMah ok, got it
23:10:49BCMMthanks a lot
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23:17:53kkurbjunwhen the pcf goes into standby that is
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