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| 00:20:08 | sharpe | it's almost 27'C... |
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| 00:22:18 | sirk | ello |
| 00:22:59 | sirk | ello ello |
| 00:23:41 | sharpe | hi... |
| 00:23:51 | sirk | I wanna try rockbox but im not sure where to get the bootloader |
| 00:24:27 | sirk | i downloaded the daily build for my player, but i didnt notice an executable file to install from in the folder |
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| 00:24:42 | sharpe | what player do you have? |
| 00:24:56 | sirk | i have a 5g ipode video |
| 00:25:01 | sirk | ipod* |
| 00:25:15 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 00:25:25 | sirk | cool, thank you |
| 00:25:30 | sharpe | you're welcome. |
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| 00:28:35 | Psilonaut | Hi, can someone plz tell me how to install the album art plugin on my ipod video? I just got rockbox.. |
| 00:28:58 | sharpe | it's not a plugin, you have to build the source with the patch and then update it on your ipod. |
| 00:29:50 | Psilonaut | ok, then how do I build the source? forgive me im noob |
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| 00:30:42 | sharpe | are you in windows or linux? |
| 00:30:58 | Psilonaut | windows |
| 00:31:01 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 00:31:08 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 00:31:21 | Psilonaut | ty |
| 00:31:29 | sharpe | you're welcome. |
| 00:36:30 | german_snail | how does album art work anyway |
| 00:36:33 | german_snail | id3 tag? |
| 00:36:49 | sharpe | if i remember correctly, a certain image in the directory. |
| 00:37:13 | sharpe | it may have changed though, i don't use album art... |
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| 00:37:40 | pjo | Good Morning |
| 00:37:56 | german_snail | so if i have blah.jpg stored in /music/band/album, it will display for each track? |
| 00:38:36 | sharpe | probably, but like i said, i don't really know about album art. |
| 00:39:28 | german_snail | kk |
| 00:39:39 | sharpe | it's how it used to work, i think. |
| 00:39:50 | markun | german_snail: I believe tha patch looks for cover.bmp |
| 00:39:55 | markun | the |
| 00:40:41 | pjo | How do I find this guy who did this patch in the forum. I searched his nick but could not find. http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=96284#96284 |
| 00:41:09 | german_snail | cool |
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| 00:44:58 | sharpe | wow, i really can't figure out what's wrong with the cpu emulator... |
| 00:44:59 | sirk | is there a gameboy emulation program for rockbox? |
| 00:45:04 | sharpe | rockboy |
| 00:45:08 | sirk | oo |
| 00:45:48 | sirk | can you direct me to the page for acquiring it? |
| 00:46:06 | pjo | Pls advise the method to synch a patch to Daily build |
| 00:46:29 | pjo | RockBoy you already have it You need roms |
| 00:46:33 | sharpe | sirk: it's a plugin, you should be able to execute a rom |
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| 00:46:36 | sirk | oooo |
| 00:46:53 | sharpe | pjo: what patch? |
| 00:46:57 | sirk | do roms in the .gb format work? |
| 00:47:02 | pjo | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=96284#96284 |
| 00:47:04 | sharpe | let me check. |
| 00:47:32 | sharpe | yes, gb, and gbc. |
| 00:47:41 | pjo | I found that this patch is only synched with 20060424 and it must bve synched with the latest Daily |
| 00:47:48 | sirk | okay awesome |
| 00:48:06 | sirk | and do i just placew them in the directory or in a specific folder |
| 00:48:27 | sharpe | just like executing an audio file, just select it in the file browser |
| 00:48:41 | sharpe | pjo: isn't that for ipodlinux? |
| 00:49:09 | pjo | maybe wrong link |
| 00:49:17 | pjo | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954 |
| 00:49:24 | pjo | this is the correct one ! |
| 00:49:39 | sharpe | so what do you want to do with it again? |
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| 00:50:10 | pjo | I would like to know a way to synch this patch to the latest daily |
| 00:50:49 | webguest90 | Hi, can I request 2 minor yet essential characters to be added to the rockbox keyboard in the text editor, the colon and the semi-colon |
| 00:50:49 | sharpe | have you tried applying the patch to the rockbox source? |
| 00:51:12 | webguest90 | unless I'm blind and can't find it |
| 00:51:27 | pjo | yes patch displays error and request to input File to Patch |
| 00:51:44 | sharpe | pjo: okay, what command are you using to patch it? |
| 00:52:09 | sharpe | or, what are you typing? |
| 00:52:28 | pjo | patch -p0 or -p1 or -p2 < xxxxx.diff in the directory of rockbox where all the RB sources and diff are located |
| 00:52:38 | Aghaster | does anybody speak Esperanto in here? |
| 00:52:54 | sharpe | are you typing all of that, or certain parts? |
| 00:53:08 | pjo | except or part |
| 00:53:11 | Aghaster | i'm stuck on the word "crossfeed". there isn,t even a word in my native language for that i think |
| 00:53:36 | sharpe | why not just do, "cross feed" ? :) |
| 00:54:13 | Aghaster | because its supposed to be translated XD |
| 00:54:28 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 00:55:12 | sharpe | pjo: have you tried, "patch -p0 < scroll-margins_20060424.patch" i'm assuming that's what the patch is saved as, if not, change it... |
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| 00:55:46 | pjo | and you think i can patch the latest Daily ? |
| 00:55:53 | sharpe | i've no idea. |
| 00:56:27 | pjo | I will try it but how do I synch a patch to the current daily ? |
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| 00:56:52 | sharpe | if it doesn't patch, you'll have to look at the patch file and manually edit the source. |
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| 00:57:47 | pjo | ok |
| 00:58:01 | sharpe | and if that doesn't work, i don't know what to tell you. |
| 00:58:11 | pjo | thanks |
| 00:58:18 | Aghaster | Are there any other esperantist rockbox users? |
| 00:58:35 | sharpe | not to my knowledge. |
| 00:58:44 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:58:45 | Aghaster | lol |
| 00:58:54 | * | Moos point to markun direction :P |
| 00:59:12 | markun | Jes, mi :) |
| 00:59:19 | Aghaster | bonege! |
| 00:59:26 | sharpe | well, i stand corrected. |
| 00:59:29 | Aghaster | mi estas tradukanta rockbox al esperanton |
| 00:59:30 | Aghaster | nun |
| 00:59:39 | markun | Nice! |
| 00:59:41 | Aghaster | :P |
| 00:59:44 | markun | I've been thinking about doing that |
| 00:59:50 | markun | But please english in here :) |
| 00:59:55 | Aghaster | okay okay |
| 00:59:57 | Aghaster | english lol |
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| 01:00:04 | Aghaster | i started today |
| 01:00:17 | Aghaster | do you think "crossfeed" is translatable? |
| 01:01:11 | markun | I really don't know. You could try in #esperanto. |
| 01:01:22 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 01:01:24 | Moos | crossfeed is hard to translate in any language imho |
| 01:01:25 | Aghaster | which i've been doiing |
| 01:01:26 | Aghaster | lol |
| 01:01:33 | Aghaster | yeah, crossfeed doesnt exist in french |
| 01:01:39 | Aghaster | so i'll let it as crossfeed |
| 01:01:45 | Moos | yep |
| 01:02:09 | Moos | begin by the strings you can translate first, no? :) |
| 01:02:22 | Aghaster | lol, i do them all one after the other |
| 01:02:26 | markun | Moos: someone told me to go to http://www.arabeyes.org/ for people possibly interested in making an arabic translation |
| 01:02:27 | Aghaster | but got stuck at crossgeed |
| 01:02:30 | Aghaster | crossfeed* |
| 01:02:43 | markun | Aghaster: just skip it for now |
| 01:02:46 | Aghaster | k |
| 01:02:55 | Moos | markun: heh, good to know, let me give it a go |
| 01:03:02 | Aghaster | i got a question, will rockbox properly display esperanto characters? |
| 01:03:45 | markun | Aghaster: yes, as long as the font supports it. The language files need to be stored in UTF-8. |
| 01:03:56 | Aghaster | good, i'm using UTF-8 |
| 01:04:17 | Genre9mp3 | Aghaster:eeer...where are you from? What's this esperanto language? (sorry, never heard that before) |
| 01:04:43 | Aghaster | Esperanto is a conlang, its not a national language |
| 01:04:45 | Moos | boo! :) |
| 01:05:00 | Aghaster | its been invented back in 1887 by ludovic zamenhof, in order to be used as an international language |
| 01:05:03 | markun | Genre9mp3: http://www.esperanto.net/ |
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| 01:05:11 | Aghaster | up to date, its the most spoken conlang in the world |
| 01:05:23 | Genre9mp3 | Oh really? Is this language popular? |
| 01:05:32 | Moos | utopia unfortunatly |
| 01:05:33 | Aghaster | about 2 million speakers |
| 01:05:36 | Aghaster | worldwide |
| 01:06:20 | Aghaster | its very easy to learn, and its fun |
| 01:06:26 | Aghaster | esperantists are fun people :P |
| 01:06:45 | markun | rockboxians also :) |
| 01:06:55 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 01:06:59 | Moos | :D |
| 01:07:08 | Aghaster | esperantists rockboxians even more ;) |
| 01:07:09 | Genre9mp3 | Where do you learned to speak that language? |
| 01:07:22 | Aghaster | on the internet, and then i became member of a club |
| 01:07:31 | Aghaster | where i go at each month, to speak and have fun |
| 01:07:56 | Genre9mp3 | Itis not tought somewhere, right? |
| 01:08:00 | markun | Genre9mp3: I just did some tutorials on the internet. I also speak to some esperantists in my city from time to time. |
| 01:08:02 | Aghaster | www.kurso.com.br <- here's free software |
| 01:08:02 | Genre9mp3 | I mean, besides the net |
| 01:08:12 | Aghaster | well, sometimes in universities they offer esperanto classes |
| 01:08:22 | markun | or www.lernu.net |
| 01:08:26 | Aghaster | or maybe a local esperanto group offers it |
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| 01:08:36 | Aghaster | but learning on the internet is easy |
| 01:08:42 | markun | But maybe this was enough e-o propapganda for today :) |
| 01:08:43 | Aghaster | lots of available resources |
| 01:08:47 | Aghaster | haha |
| 01:08:53 | Aghaster | he asked first XD |
| 01:09:16 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...I was curious... |
| 01:09:20 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 01:09:26 | markun | But I'm very happy that you started the translation, I'll use it full time and try to keep it updated. |
| 01:09:41 | Aghaster | markun, maybe we could work at it together? |
| 01:09:59 | Genre9mp3 | markun: BTW, is there a working sim for the Gigabeat, yet? |
| 01:10:48 | markun | Yes, it was working. I need to commit a patch to make it compile again (missing button defines for some plugins) |
| 01:11:37 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 01:12:01 | sharpe | aww... i cracked a cd... |
| 01:12:02 | ashridah | heh. love it. Unpack rockbox.zip onto my player in windows. takes about two minutes. unpack it on linux using kde's drag and drop, and it takes 10 seconds, even WITH sync turned on. |
| 01:13:02 | pjo | as far as patching that patch , it worked |
| 01:13:43 | Aghaster | looks like we'll have an Esperanto translation, hehe |
| 01:13:49 | Aghaster | :D |
| 01:14:19 | markun | Good night guys |
| 01:14:45 | pjo | oyasumi Markun |
| 01:14:51 | Aghaster | bonan nokton |
| 01:15:15 | Genre9mp3 | gdnt |
| 01:15:21 | sharpe | goodnight |
| 01:15:25 | markun | bonan al vi ankaux :) |
| 01:16:00 | Genre9mp3 | please....don't play with my curiosity! :) |
| 01:16:20 | Aghaster | :P |
| 01:17:48 | sharpe | do i want to work on the space invaders emulator anymore today... ? |
| 01:18:04 | JdGordon | of course u do! |
| 01:18:41 | sharpe | meh... |
| 01:19:00 | * | Genre9mp3 viziti esperanto pago |
| 01:19:04 | Genre9mp3 | :-P |
| 01:19:43 | pjo | Can I ask Q on compiling RockBox ? |
| 01:20:46 | BHSPitLappy | don't ask to ask |
| 01:21:21 | pjo | ok |
| 01:21:50 | pjo | in the tut, it says as follows |
| 01:21:52 | pjo | 2. Create a build directory |
| 01:21:52 | pjo | Create a build directory, preferably in the same directory as the firmware/ and apps/ directories. This is where all generated files will be written. |
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| 01:22:29 | pjo | does this mean to create build dir in those directories ? |
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| 01:25:47 | Noah0504 | Hey all. |
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| 01:33:11 | dpassen1 | pjo: No, in the same directory which contains both firmware/ and apps/ |
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| 01:38:36 | pjo | oh so simply rewriting it, mkdir build in rockbox source code directory |
| 01:38:41 | needhelpwiththem | hey guys i need some help |
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| 01:38:53 | needhelpwiththem | i am trying to get iPod Green5g theme on my ipod |
| 01:38:57 | pjo | ok thanks |
| 01:39:02 | needhelpwiththem | and i am having alot of difficulty |
| 01:39:10 | needhelpwiththem | can anyone send me a file or help me |
| 01:39:15 | needhelpwiththem | again thats |
| 01:39:16 | needhelpwiththem | iPod Green5g |
| 01:39:34 | pjo | BTW after applying patches, compiling the source is required correct ? |
| 01:39:40 | needhelpwiththem | i dont really want to get into modding patches and stuff cause i dont have that much familiarty with it |
| 01:39:49 | needhelpwiththem | cause i dont know how to do it |
| 01:39:54 | needhelpwiththem | and need it quick |
| 01:40:27 | needhelpwiththem | does anyone have a the files already and would like to email them to me? |
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| 01:41:01 | needhelpwiththem | please |
| 01:41:02 | pjo | nnedle: I am chating with dpassen |
| 01:41:25 | dpassen1 | pjo: Yes |
| 01:41:57 | linuxstb | needhelpwiththem: If you don't want to apply patches yourself, you'll need to look in the forums to see if someone has posted a version of Rockbox with the required patches for your ipod, or wait until those patches (or equivalent functionality) are in the official Rockbox builds. |
| 01:41:59 | pjo | dpassen: I have created build directory, |
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| 01:43:12 | needhelpwiththem | SO DO YOU KNOW OF ANY SUCH PRE CONFIGURED BUILDS? |
| 01:43:15 | needhelpwiththem | sorry |
| 01:43:24 | needhelpwiththem | accidentally pressed caps |
| 01:43:31 | pjo | $ ../tools/configure I tried this but I think I need to place files |
| 01:44:04 | needhelpwiththem | so can anyone help |
| 01:44:15 | pjo | i had typo now it is making |
| 01:44:23 | needhelpwiththem | ? |
| 01:45:26 | pjo | needle: did you search the RB forum on 5G ? |
| 01:46:26 | pjo | Is there any way to copy the screen output from CygWin window ? |
| 01:47:20 | Noah0504 | I just installed Rockbox on my iPod Video about an hour ago. Talk about deliciousness. |
| 01:47:21 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 01:47:41 | needhelpwiththem | i need help |
| 01:47:54 | needhelpwiththem | im trying to get the iPod Green5g theme on my ipod video |
| 01:47:59 | needhelpwiththem | and need help |
| 01:48:32 | needhelpwiththem | where would this be posted |
| 01:48:39 | Noah0504 | needhelpwiththem: Sorry, I can't help. Did you try looking through the documentation on the Rockbox website? |
| 01:49:21 | needhelpwiththem | yeah |
| 01:49:22 | needhelpwiththem | nothin |
| 01:49:34 | Noah0504 | Hmm, sorry I can't help. I'm new to Rockbox. |
| 01:50:42 | linuxstb | pjo: I think you click on the icon in the top-left corner of the cygwin window, which brings up a menu with "mark" and "copy" options. |
| 01:50:43 | midkay | needhelpwiththem, have patience.. |
| 01:50:56 | midkay | use the non-album-art version if you're not up to patching. |
| 01:51:34 | pjo | linuxsub: thanks |
| 01:51:45 | pjo | and make generated these errors: |
| 01:51:46 | pjo | CC drivers/lcd-16bit.c |
| 01:51:46 | pjo | drivers/lcd-16bit.c: In function 'lcd_puts_style_offset': |
| 01:51:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pjo |
| 01:51:46 | pjo | drivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: 'xmargin' undeclared (first use in this function |
| 01:51:46 | pjo | ) |
| 01:51:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 01:51:47 | pjo | drivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only onc |
| 01:51:48 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 01:51:48 | pjo | e |
| 01:51:50 | pjo | drivers/lcd-16bit.c:802: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 01:51:52 | pjo | make[1]: *** [/home/Asao/rockbox/build/firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.o] Error 1 |
| 01:51:54 | pjo | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 01:52:40 | pjo | does this look very bad, hopeless ? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:49 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
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| 02:18:26 | pjo | I found this: http://www.cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-maxmem.html |
| 02:18:51 | pjo | but I cannot find the reg key |
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| 02:20:43 | pjo | I found HLM\software\Cygnus Solutions\Cygwin but no heap_chunk_in_mb |
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| 02:23:31 | pjo | I realized that I have to create the key |
| 02:24:54 | pjo | but setting Cygwin Max memory to 1024 did not solve the make error |
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| 02:41:04 | Falco98 | amiconn: u around? |
| 02:41:59 | sharpe | sadly, it doesn't seem so... |
| 02:42:05 | Falco98 | aw. |
| 02:42:28 | Falco98 | just wanted to tell him i'd fixed that bug in my patch which he pointed out after i split a few days ago |
| 02:42:40 | sharpe | ooh |
| 02:42:45 | sharpe | leave him a memo! |
| 02:42:45 | german_snail | so like, if i wanna customize my rockbox, i gotta learn C? |
| 02:43:03 | sharpe | german_snail: not if you just want to change the look of it, eg, with themes and wpses |
| 02:44:08 | german_snail | man i just fiddled now... the functionality is awesome, so yeah, i just wanna change the look |
| 02:44:13 | german_snail | can't find it in the docs |
| 02:44:48 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 02:44:58 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 02:45:02 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:45:21 | german_snail | hah |
| 02:45:26 | german_snail | i'd found it already :p |
| 02:46:01 | pjo | which is the best CD ripper to work with RockBox ? |
| 02:46:39 | PaulJam | eac |
| 02:47:13 | pjo | you mean Exact Audio Copy ? |
| 02:47:19 | PaulJam | yes |
| 02:47:21 | flamingcow | grip? :) |
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| 02:47:55 | flamingcow | i get the impressoin that there's no linux app to view themes; would anyone be willing to screenshot a nano theme for me so i can publish it? |
| 02:48:30 | Mikachu | ???? |
| 02:48:41 | PaulJam | flamingcow: you can make a screenskot in rockbox |
| 02:48:46 | flamingcow | oh! |
| 02:48:49 | flamingcow | that makes it easy :-P |
| 02:49:47 | Mikachu | what do you mean with 'view themes'? |
| 02:50:14 | flamingcow | well, there's a windows theme designed that lets you screenshot, right? |
| 02:50:45 | Mikachu | that doesn't make any sense to me |
| 02:51:43 | Falco98 | PaulJam: glad to see another EAC fan |
| 02:52:01 | Falco98 | I'm rather anal about ripping my CDs only in EAC / secure with a Plextor drive.. :-P |
| 02:52:21 | Mikachu | i believe libparanoia is pretty good too |
| 02:52:57 | sharpe | what if... |
| 02:53:16 | sharpe | i wrote an implementation of malloc for plugins, that would use the plugin buffer? :D |
| 02:53:30 | Mikachu | someone would probably look at you very strangely |
| 02:53:37 | pjo | now trying to rip Cd with EAC but EAC does not recognize the DVd drive correctly |
| 02:54:15 | flamingcow | are you trying to rip an audio dvd? |
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| 02:54:18 | sharpe | anything else than strange looks? |
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| 02:54:28 | Falco98 | pjo: when i put in my DVD burner it did that, it was fixed by upgrading to the latest build of EAC |
| 02:54:31 | Mikachu | probably not much more, no |
| 02:54:31 | pjo | it si audio CD |
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| 02:54:53 | Falco98 | though i've also found EAC (as of 2 months ago) doesn't recognize the new sony DVD burners... |
| 02:55:09 | sharpe | i wonder if it'd be any use for plugins... |
| 02:55:18 | Falco98 | flamingcow: some people only have one optical drive, since DVD burners pretty much do everything |
| 02:55:47 | pjo | i just downloaded it |
| 02:56:03 | Falco98 | what DVD drive do you have? |
| 02:56:20 | pjo | it is wait |
| 02:57:13 | pjo | HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163A |
| 02:57:32 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 02:57:37 | Falco98 | so what brand is that? |
| 02:57:44 | Falco98 | (do you have any other optical drives to try?) |
| 02:58:05 | pjo | not on this machine, this is the only one |
| 02:58:23 | flamingcow | falco98: yes, i am actually aware of that :-P |
| 02:58:26 | Aghaster | Falco98! how are you :P? |
| 02:58:30 | pjo | brand is Hitachi-Samsong or maybe other Korean |
| 02:58:38 | Falco98 | generally CD-R's (name brand ones even) are the best for secure-mode ripping |
| 02:58:59 | pjo | advise any other ripper |
| 02:59:50 | Falco98 | CDex |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:01 | sharpe | i like cdex |
| 03:00:44 | Falco98 | Aghaster: not bad, you? |
| 03:00:47 | Aghaster | Falco, i finally got a pdf of 2600 so you can read the article |
| 03:00:53 | Falco98 | haha sweet |
| 03:00:54 | Falco98 | link? |
| 03:01:14 | Aghaster | sec |
| 03:01:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:01:33 | * | Aghaster uploads to personal server |
| 03:01:35 | Falco98 | pjo: i've never tried CDex (or at least not recently), and it's unclear whether it does bit-perfect rips like EAC can, but if you're not that anal about it, there are probably alot of rippers that work perfectly well for an average user |
| 03:02:02 | Falco98 | but always use something stand-alone, esp. something that works with oggenc or flac O:-) |
| 03:03:50 | pjo | CDex cannot recognize it too, so now I am running WMP11 |
| 03:04:45 | Falco98 | ewww |
| 03:04:48 | Falco98 | at least use winamp or something |
| 03:04:56 | Falco98 | i avoid WMP and iTunes like the fucking plague |
| 03:05:08 | pussfeller | cdex is a great ripper |
| 03:05:11 | Falco98 | (wmp11 will force you to use WMA, won't it?) |
| 03:05:27 | pjo | that is what I am checking now, WMA |
| 03:05:50 | Falco98 | at LEAST use something which lets you use LAME mp3, if not Vorbis and FLAC |
| 03:06:15 | pjo | can Winamp use FLAC ? |
| 03:06:28 | pussfeller | ackh |
| 03:06:35 | pussfeller | why would u use winamp |
| 03:06:41 | Aghaster | pjo: there is a plugin for winamp |
| 03:06:45 | Aghaster | for FLAC |
| 03:06:46 | pjo | ok |
| 03:07:15 | Aghaster | why not xmms? |
| 03:07:21 | Aghaster | xmms is great. |
| 03:07:35 | Falco98 | what's wrong with winamp? at least it's not WMP or iTunes |
| 03:08:13 | pjo | mp3 can be chosen with WMP 11 |
| 03:08:24 | Falco98 | ah |
| 03:08:34 | Aghaster | winamp isn't free as in freedom |
| 03:08:39 | Aghaster | afaik |
| 03:08:41 | PaulJam | but can you choose an external encoder? |
| 03:08:54 | Falco98 | well i'd still do an absolute minimum of ripping in WMP until you can find a "real" ripper that supports your drive |
| 03:09:03 | Falco98 | Aghaster: it's free enough for me |
| 03:09:13 | Falco98 | the only pay functions are stuff that is done better by external shit anyway |
| 03:09:14 | Aghaster | well, i do not know much about it. |
| 03:09:17 | Falco98 | (ripping, burning) |
| 03:09:18 | Aghaster | does it run on linux? |
| 03:09:24 | pussfeller | didnt AOL pay taht waste guy millions to buy winamp |
| 03:09:29 | pussfeller | like megamillions |
| 03:09:32 | Falco98 | no.. does xmms run on windows? O:-) |
| 03:09:51 | Falco98 | puss: probably, but it hasn't gotten any worse since that happened |
| 03:10:13 | Aghaster | :P |
| 03:10:19 | Falco98 | a little bit of bloat, but nothing you can't turn off or exclude, and nothing as objectionable as half the "features" in WMP, realplayer, or other such things |
| 03:10:21 | Aghaster | no, doesnt run on windows... |
| 03:10:27 | Aghaster | that's a detail |
| 03:10:27 | Aghaster | lol |
| 03:10:38 | Aghaster | who runs windows anyway? pfff ;) |
| 03:10:49 | * | Falco98 checks filesoup to see if sopranos is up yet... |
| 03:10:51 | Falco98 | haha |
| 03:11:06 | Falco98 | not me for long, as i've been running it for a few weeks now with no taskbar or desktop |
| 03:11:15 | pjo | BTW does anybody use MoodLogic ? |
| 03:11:32 | Aghaster | Falco98: here's the link for 2600: www.planetcpp.info/2600.The.Hacker.Quarterly.23.1.pdf |
| 03:12:12 | Falco98 | sweet thanks.. have a page # i can jump to by any chance? |
| 03:13:26 | Aghaster | yes, minute |
| 03:13:30 | Aghaster | i think its around page 50 |
| 03:13:48 | Falco98 | n/m, it's 46 |
| 03:13:49 | Falco98 | :) |
| 03:13:55 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 03:13:58 | Aghaster | i was about to say it |
| 03:13:59 | Aghaster | lol |
| 03:14:11 | Aghaster | 2 pages and half article. |
| 03:14:14 | Aghaster | have fun :) |
| 03:14:39 | * | Falco98 reads "filesharing with tinyurl.com" first :-P |
| 03:15:04 | Falco98 | brb... |
| 03:15:47 | linuxstb | sharpe: A malloc for plugins has been talked about before, and I think it would be accepted - to help with porting apps to Rockbox. But I think Bagder has said that he has a good implementation that could be used. |
| 03:16:28 | Aghaster | hehe, i think you'll end up subscribing to 2600, Falco98! |
| 03:16:34 | sharpe | :'( |
| 03:17:06 | sharpe | well, won't hurt to make one, would it? |
| 03:17:58 | * | Aghaster says its quite long to translate about 600 strings from english to esperanto XD |
| 03:18:57 | Aghaster | Hey, my ipod's acting strange. If i let it on pause, after like 10 minutes it'll reboot |
| 03:19:04 | Aghaster | is it normal? |
| 03:19:14 | sharpe | does it reboot or shut down? |
| 03:19:24 | Aghaster | reboot |
| 03:19:35 | sharpe | does that happen when you touch it? :) |
| 03:19:37 | Aghaster | so when it reboots, it plays the song it was paused on |
| 03:19:37 | linuxstb | Do you have it plugged in? |
| 03:19:47 | Aghaster | yes, its standing on my ipod dock |
| 03:20:52 | linuxstb | It will idle power-off after 10 minutes (you can change that setting). But because it is being charged, it will immediately turn back on. I think there's a bug report in the patch tracker about it - Rockbox shouldn't idle-off when being charged on the ipod. |
| 03:21:30 | * | Falco98 reaches out and grabs a mosquito out of mid-air |
| 03:21:36 | sharpe | linuxstb: so, do you think i should even try to make an implementation of malloc for plugins? |
| 03:22:15 | linuxstb | It's probably worth talking to Bagder before spending too much time on it. I don't know how good the implementation he has got is, or how much work it would need to adapt it to Rockbox. |
| 03:22:46 | sharpe | well, if you think about it, using the plugin buffer wouldn't be too hard... |
| 03:23:34 | linuxstb | But it's non-trivial if you implement the whole family of malloc, realloc, calloc and free. |
| 03:23:36 | Aghaster | k |
| 03:23:43 | sharpe | yep... |
| 03:26:26 | pussfeller | when I plug my ipod into the wallcharger, its just reboots over and over again |
| 03:26:33 | pussfeller | is this a known bug |
| 03:26:51 | Mikachu | yes, hold down menu when you put the cable in, or boot apple os first |
| 03:27:08 | pussfeller | ok cool then its not just me |
| 03:27:13 | pussfeller | thanks |
| 03:28:45 | pjo | ripping cd with winamp, exit by erro, cannot write to the destination, which the drive has huge unused space, Windows XP compressed drive |
| 03:29:50 | pjo | this is FLAC default |
| 03:30:02 | pjo | and the first song is huge |
| 03:31:59 | sharpe | well, i think i'll just plan out the whole, plugin-oriented malloc/realloc/calloc/free functions... on paper, of all things! |
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| 03:33:04 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 03:33:19 | pussfeller | flac makes huge files |
| 03:33:24 | * | Falco98 has problems with the author's assertion that "most DVD players are designed not to play CD-Rs" |
| 03:33:32 | Falco98 | pussfeller: FLAC is lossless |
| 03:33:40 | pjo | winamp displays error cannot write to, but the file was generated, could not rip the next track |
| 03:33:45 | pussfeller | yeah thats why its got a bigger file size |
| 03:34:15 | pussfeller | its alot smaller than a wav, but much bigger than an mp3 ripped at 193 |
| 03:34:19 | pussfeller | err 192 |
| 03:34:37 | pjo | so i will go back to mp3 |
| 03:34:48 | pussfeller | but the sound quality is much better |
| 03:34:52 | pussfeller | thats the trade off |
| 03:35:42 | Mikachu | flac is about 2x compression usually |
| 03:35:52 | pussfeller | i didnt use to be able to tell the difference between low bitrate mp3 and higher ones, but now I can |
| 03:36:04 | pussfeller | now that I have decent speakers :) |
| 03:36:24 | pjo | the issue here for me that I cannot rip with FLAC automaticall all the tracks, I have to quit and restart Winamp and rip one track |
| 03:36:56 | pussfeller | ussualy, pjo, if you are having troubles with rippers, you dont have the encoding settings just right |
| 03:37:03 | pussfeller | thats my experience |
| 03:37:19 | pjo | encoding set is default |
| 03:37:56 | ze | oo http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7d5e/ |
| 03:38:00 | ze | i totally forgot about neuros |
| 03:38:01 | pussfeller | i'm liucky, kaudiocreator is sinchy to use :) |
| 03:38:06 | ze | didn't know those ones were out yet |
| 03:38:12 | ze | too bad about battery life though |
| 03:39:37 | pjo | maybe the file name is too long |
| 03:39:51 | pjo | these are classical music |
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| 03:44:11 | Falco98 | pjo: just use ogg |
| 03:44:22 | Falco98 | exploit the true beauty of rockbox :) |
| 03:45:15 | pjo | ogg is better than FLAC in audio quality ? |
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| 03:46:13 | dpassen1 | No, technically Ogg Vorbis is lossy and FLAC is lossless. Lossy can approximate but never be as perfect as Lossless. |
| 03:47:00 | pjo | i changed the output file name to be shorter and now FLAc ripping is working |
| 03:47:17 | pjo | dpassen: I thought so |
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| 03:53:25 | Jd|uni | hey all |
| 03:53:40 | Falco98 | pjo: use lossless if you must, but you're using up a LOT of unnecessary space if it's only for listening on your DAP |
| 03:53:42 | Falco98 | hey JD |
| 03:54:04 | * | sharpe is bored. |
| 03:54:21 | Falco98 | Jd|uni: got a question for you.. not even about that patch O:-) |
| 03:54:57 | pjo | Falcon: i am aware of that |
| 03:55:17 | Falco98 | pjon: k, just wanted to make sure |
| 03:55:43 | Jd|uni | falco: shoot |
| 03:55:54 | pjo | have you guys experinced make errors regarding LCD driver ? |
| 03:56:44 | Falco98 | can you think of any way to run a quick test in RB to tell if the "upcoming" file is the real "next" file (i.e. is in the same folder, and is lexigraphically succeeding..)? |
| 03:57:02 | Falco98 | as in, the next track in an album in well-named files... |
| 03:57:20 | Jd|uni | well.. checking if its the same folder is easy... we've done that already |
| 03:57:37 | Jd|uni | checking if its actually next might be more complecated... |
| 03:57:57 | Falco98 | but i want to compare the "next up file" to "currently playing" |
| 03:58:05 | Jd|uni | you could open the folder and read through each file and check if its the next file.. (assuming the file list is in order..) |
| 03:58:25 | Jd|uni | u can grab the next file easily with the playulist.h api's |
| 03:58:36 | Aghaster | Falco98: have you read the article? |
| 03:58:42 | Falco98 | Aghaster: yup |
| 03:58:45 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 03:58:59 | Aghaster | quite an interesting article. it made me think |
| 03:59:12 | Falco98 | yeah. |
| 03:59:38 | Falco98 | a bit panicky, but meh |
| 03:59:49 | Falco98 | i agree strongly with the general criticism of DRM |
| 03:59:53 | Aghaster | :) |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:07 | Aghaster | the problem is that people do not see they gradually loose rights |
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| 04:00:24 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 04:00:39 | sharpe | i think i'm done for today, possibly a few days after today. |
| 04:01:01 | Aghaster | but now that you got the pdf, there are a bunch of other articles i'm sure you'll be interested in |
| 04:01:03 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:01:11 | Aghaster | 2600 is a great magazine. |
| 04:01:11 | sharpe | goodnight everyone. |
| 04:01:17 | Aghaster | good night sharpe |
| 04:01:18 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 04:02:04 | Jd|uni | fark this... cbf staying for this prac :D |
| 04:02:07 | Jd|uni | im giong home |
| 04:02:12 | Jd|uni | ttyl.. |
| 04:02:29 | Jd|uni | well.. back in 30min or something |
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| 04:09:57 | pussfeller | hah my isp uses giganews |
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| 05:04:51 | infamis | a.p.b. out on moos... |
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| 05:22:46 | treq | hi |
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| 05:23:51 | Apostle^ | on ipod nano how do you get back to the area where you see the currently playing song from a seperate menu? |
| 05:24:05 | BHSPitLappy | "Now Playing" on the main menu |
| 05:24:10 | BHSPitLappy | err |
| 05:24:17 | BHSPitLappy | sorry, I wasn't in the Rockbox mindset there |
| 05:24:40 | Apostle^ | i don't seem to see it... |
| 05:24:51 | BHSPitLappy | sorry, I was talking Apple OS. |
| 05:24:56 | Apostle^ | on the page with "browse plugins" ? |
| 05:25:01 | Apostle^ | oh okay.. |
| 05:25:05 | BHSPitLappy | try PLAY from there |
| 05:25:16 | BHSPitLappy | it's kind of hard to get all the keys down |
| 05:25:27 | treq | play |
| 05:25:33 | Apostle^ | nope. |
| 05:25:56 | BHSPitLappy | umm... can you hit MENU several times and get there? |
| 05:26:06 | Apostle^ | seems to work some times ... |
| 05:26:07 | treq | you mean when you're on any menu to go back to the current playing song? |
| 05:26:32 | Apostle^ | yes |
| 05:26:39 | Apostle^ | with volume control etc. |
| 05:27:00 | treq | at least for me, if I'm not on a menu where play/pause is a used key |
| 05:27:10 | treq | then pressing play/pause jumps to now playing |
| 05:27:13 | Apostle^ | also, have their been any ipod nano updates, i converted rockbox a few months ago and have not updated since |
| 05:27:20 | treq | (not holding, just pressing) |
| 05:27:51 | treq | rockbox updates? |
| 05:27:54 | Apostle^ | okay, i think i got that down |
| 05:28:03 | BHSPitLappy | Apostle^: the updates never stop. (with the exception of this freeze we're currently in, that is :)) |
| 05:28:05 | Apostle^ | yea, like updates to functionality etc. |
| 05:28:22 | treq | just keep installing the daily builds |
| 05:28:23 | BHSPitLappy | if your build is a few months old, then it's out of dayte. |
| 05:28:23 | Apostle^ | how do i compare my rockbox ver to the current one for ipod nano? |
| 05:28:26 | BHSPitLappy | date, even |
| 05:28:44 | Apostle^ | and rockbox is great btw ;-) |
| 05:29:00 | BHSPitLappy | common knowledge |
| 05:29:08 | Apostle^ | hehe |
| 05:29:11 | Apostle^ | indeed sir |
| 05:29:18 | Apostle^ | i |
| 05:29:35 | Apostle^ | i'm on linux so the drap+drop of music instead of having to use gtkpod is amazingly time saving |
| 05:29:58 | treq | do you use amarok? |
| 05:30:06 | Apostle^ | yea i do |
| 05:30:28 | treq | I'm starting to code an amarok plugin for rockbox |
| 05:30:36 | Apostle^ | really, what would it do? |
| 05:30:37 | treq | or, read it the other way around |
| 05:30:47 | Apostle^ | i'd be glad to help test |
| 05:30:50 | treq | media device |
| 05:31:08 | treq | trying to add a "rockbox device" |
| 05:31:13 | Apostle^ | I see |
| 05:31:21 | Apostle^ | but i wonder why since you can just drag+drop rockbox |
| 05:31:24 | Apostle^ | music |
| 05:31:39 | treq | that works if you have a few files |
| 05:31:57 | Apostle^ | i have a nano so like 10 or so albums anyway |
| 05:32:02 | Apostle^ | but i love it ;-) |
| 05:32:17 | treq | I want to use amarok to manage my playlists for rockbox |
| 05:32:21 | Apostle^ | all my tool albums ;-P |
| 05:32:30 | Apostle^ | ahh, i usually don't make playlists |
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| 05:32:43 | treq | and an organized collection |
| 05:32:45 | Apostle^ | I should make one for all my favorite songs though |
| 05:33:18 | Apostle^ | say, does anyone know how I get to the page with themes for ipod nano? |
| 05:33:37 | treq | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
| 05:33:45 | Apostle^ | thank you sir |
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| 05:34:48 | Falco98 | JdGordon: still around? |
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| 05:36:48 | enzyme | any one know anything about the sony nw-hd1 |
| 05:36:49 | Apostle^ | when installing a rockbox update, do i just replace all the files in the rockbox with the files in the .zip ? |
| 05:37:07 | Falco98 | Apostle^: yeah, basically |
| 05:37:20 | Apostle^ | Falco98, thank you |
| 05:37:49 | Falco98 | just be prepared for it to wipe out your current settings, unless you've saved them as a .cfg file |
| 05:38:20 | Falco98 | and if you've modified any WPS files (without creating a whole new file, which is the way it should be done), it'll wipe that out too |
| 05:38:31 | Falco98 | but the settings thing is easy to fix |
| 05:39:01 | enzyme | did the skipping of mp3 get fixed with ipod 5g |
| 05:39:15 | Apostle^ | Falco98, settings, such as volume.. and equalizer? |
| 05:39:22 | Apostle^ | i'm prepared to lose those. |
| 05:40:20 | Falco98 | yeah.. and crossfade settings, which WPS you have selected, fonts, etc, etc |
| 05:40:48 | Falco98 | though if you save a .cfg file in "manage settings", it'll reload automatically (from my experience) |
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| 05:41:10 | Apostle^ | i see |
| 05:41:16 | Apostle^ | i downloaded a few new themes also |
| 05:41:21 | Apostle^ | where do they go persay ? |
| 05:42:00 | Falco98 | that's a tiny bit more complicated than "where".. usually a theme will be a .cfg file, maybe a font, and a .wps (with corresponding folder) |
| 05:42:19 | Falco98 | the .cfg file goes.. i guess in the "themes" folder, whereas the .wps file and its folder go in the "wps" folder |
| 05:42:26 | Apostle^ | i see okay |
| 05:42:34 | Falco98 | so hopefully simple i guess |
| 05:43:10 | Aghaster | can i install a theme for the browsing menu? i mean, not just a theme for the jukebox |
| 05:43:25 | Aghaster | when i browse the menu, i'd like to have a more nice looking interface |
| 05:43:28 | Aghaster | can it be done? |
| 05:46:27 | Apostle^ | this theme has 3 folders, fonts themes wps |
| 05:48:55 | Aghaster | How can i convert my .lang file to a .lng file? |
| 05:49:03 | Aghaster | i'd like to try what i've translated so far |
| 05:49:45 | Falco98 | aghaster: a theme will sometimes change the overall font, which can rather dramatically change the menus etc.. but AFAIK there's nothing that changes them functionally |
| 05:50:00 | Aghaster | k |
| 05:50:36 | Falco98 | (i should have said "rather dramatically change the LOOK OF the menus etc...", for clarification) |
| 05:51:18 | Aghaster | ok, so i cannot modify menus. only fonts? |
| 05:51:56 | Falco98 | as far as i know ;-) |
| 05:52:08 | enzyme | any one know anything about the sony nw-hd1 |
| 05:52:10 | Falco98 | i mean, you CAN modify menus.. if you feel like completely re-coding them |
| 05:52:29 | Aghaster | lol |
| 05:52:40 | Aghaster | yeah, well, i meant without recoding the whole app ;) |
| 05:52:45 | Falco98 | enzyme: you might try asking in the general discussion forum, it seems noone's around who might know |
| 05:53:32 | Falco98 | Aghaster: honestly you could switch around what things go where in the menus without too much difficulty as long as you're careful.. but i wouldn't go so far as describing that as "fundamental functional change" |
| 05:53:58 | Aghaster | okay |
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| 05:57:03 | Aghaster | does anybody know how do i convert from .lang to .lng ? |
| 05:57:40 | * | Falco98 has no idea what the syntax or purpose of a .lng file is.... |
| 05:57:52 | * | Apostle^ guesses for a different language |
| 05:57:57 | Apostle^ | IE: espanol |
| 05:57:59 | Falco98 | you could always open two equivalent ones up in text-editors and see what they offer |
| 05:58:11 | Falco98 | s/what they offer/how they compare |
| 05:58:33 | Aghaster | nvm, i think i found out |
| 05:58:38 | Falco98 | (s/compare/compare//) |
| 05:58:40 | Aghaster | the link for the genlang script was broken |
| 05:58:41 | Falco98 | cool |
| 05:58:44 | Falco98 | bedtime for me |
| 05:58:46 | Aghaster | but google found out. |
| 05:58:50 | Aghaster | good night falco |
| 05:58:50 | Apostle^ | night |
| 05:58:55 | Falco98 | night, good luck |
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| 06:07:30 | Aghaster | anybody around? |
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| 06:20:06 | Apostle^ | when setting an ipod theme, do all the folders go in .rockbox |
| 06:20:08 | Apostle^ | or in the main ipod dir |
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| 08:48:26 | whatboutbob | does anyone know if voiced menus are supported for recording on the iriver h1xx? |
| 08:57:04 | midkay | for recording? |
| 08:59:13 | amiconn | The recording settings menu is voiced. The recording screen is not. |
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| 09:02:25 | * | midkay does the green-cvs-table cheer |
| 09:02:41 | whatboutbob | thanks guys. is voice on the recording screen possible? (pls note I'm NOT asking for it...just trying to see if it might happen in future...some blind users are asking about it) |
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| 09:04:42 | amiconn | Yes it is possible. Voice will interrupt montoring though. |
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| 09:05:16 | whatboutbob | amiconn: that's awesome. thanks. |
| 09:05:22 | amiconn | This applies at least to all coldfire based targets (i.e. iriver h1x0, h300, and iaudio x5) |
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| 09:06:02 | * | midkay sighs |
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| 09:07:06 | midkay | amiconn, since you're the only dev around, and i'm not sure the 3.0 schedule, if you were up to it i wanted to suggest making the "committing tagcache" message a splash instead of the centered text since it's cut off on both sides on the 112x64 LCDs.. but i need to go to bed + it looks like more than a quick adjustment |
| 09:07:54 | preglow | how would a splash change that? |
| 09:07:58 | preglow | does splashes wrap the message? |
| 09:08:05 | midkay | preglow, yes, they do |
| 09:08:20 | preglow | nice |
| 09:08:25 | midkay | 'tis :) |
| 09:08:39 | preglow | i'll try to fix my resampler bug today |
| 09:08:56 | midkay | preglow, do you know the 3.0 date? |
| 09:08:56 | * | amiconn sighs too |
| 09:09:07 | preglow | midkay: no, but i'd guess 29th |
| 09:09:10 | amiconn | There's a number of things I need to fix. |
| 09:09:26 | midkay | 29th seems more and more likely.. |
| 09:09:52 | preglow | there's no reason to think of any other date, if you ask me |
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| 09:09:55 | preglow | we take the latest one we can |
| 09:09:59 | preglow | there's lots of stuff left to do |
| 09:10:08 | midkay | amiconn, never mind my message, then.. if nobody else does it within 24 hours i probably will have. |
| 09:10:16 | midkay | preglow, there is? interesting.. |
| 09:10:38 | midkay | i know from experience playback isn't working perfectly but i haven't seen much effort put into it over the past week.. |
| 09:10:41 | preglow | and btw, no one has fixed the lang strings to be applicable for iriver unit buttons yet, no? |
| 09:10:57 | LinusN | no, there is a half patch in the tracker |
| 09:10:59 | midkay | preglow, i don't think so, i did see a patch for that.. |
| 09:11:06 | amiconn | Bger started doing that |
| 09:11:16 | amiconn | Dunno how far he got |
| 09:11:28 | LinusN | there is some slight confusion about what to call a joystick push |
| 09:11:37 | LinusN | "navi", or "select" |
| 09:11:53 | petur | "joystick" ? |
| 09:11:54 | midkay | i'd vote for select = H100s, navi = H300s.. |
| 09:11:59 | LinusN | "navi" is more or less obvious on the h300 |
| 09:12:01 | * | amiconn reiterates his idea of using icons for the buttons |
| 09:12:20 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, that's a good idea for post-3.0 |
| 09:12:23 | preglow | indeed |
| 09:12:40 | preglow | LinusN: i say we call it select and think no more about it |
| 09:12:47 | BHSPitLappy | amiconn: how so |
| 09:12:47 | preglow | it's obvious which button we mean |
| 09:12:50 | amiconn | I'd call the joytick push 'Select' for now |
| 09:12:52 | preglow | at least if you ask me |
| 09:12:53 | LinusN | preglow: is it? |
| 09:12:58 | BHSPitLappy | out of intrigue |
| 09:13:00 | preglow | what other button could be select? |
| 09:13:08 | LinusN | anyone on the h300 |
| 09:13:28 | LinusN | coule just as well be "a-b" |
| 09:13:29 | preglow | well, then let's call it navi on h300 |
| 09:13:30 | amiconn | LinusN: We're talking about h1x0, aren't we? |
| 09:13:42 | amiconn | On h300 it's of course Navi |
| 09:13:51 | LinusN | that's what i'm trying to say |
| 09:14:07 | LinusN | i think "navi" on h300 and "select" on h100 and x5 |
| 09:14:19 | * | petur votes for "joystick" |
| 09:14:41 | LinusN | not bad |
| 09:14:51 | petur | or "thingy in the middle" |
| 09:14:55 | LinusN | or maybe "stick" |
| 09:14:59 | amiconn | Hmm, 'press Joystick' makes sense... |
| 09:15:03 | LinusN | indeed |
| 09:15:11 | whatboutbob | 'giggle button'? |
| 09:15:19 | LinusN | "select" is just a name i gave the #define |
| 09:15:35 | ze | i just added it up, and my rio karma lasted for about 2 years and 2 months without issue, and even still only broke because of an accident |
| 09:15:41 | LinusN | so "joystick" is probably the best |
| 09:16:32 | midkay | Press Joystick sounds really nice for H100s, and Navi for H300s.. |
| 09:16:42 | LinusN | so be it |
| 09:16:42 | ze | hahaha |
| 09:16:50 | ze | gigglebutton is awesome |
| 09:16:53 | midkay | haha. |
| 09:16:57 | ze | there needs to be gigglebuttons in the world |
| 09:17:18 | midkay | cute, ze.. :) |
| 09:17:35 | * | midkay is *off* to *bed*.. nite, all.. |
| 09:18:00 | amiconn | ze: My archos recorder lasted for almost 4 years now, and is in fact still working fine... |
| 09:18:47 | ze | amiconn: i had an archos studio 20, an archos fm rec, and a creative nomad zen, which all 3 combined only lasted 2 years and 4 months |
| 09:18:53 | ze | before i got my karma |
| 09:20:22 | ze | although to be fair, i think the issues that got each of those replaced (except for the fm which i think was more serious, defective hd or something... them fm's were never that great) was silly stuff like broken connector on the power plug or headphone jack |
| 09:20:24 | amiconn | LinusN: Still no idea about the power drain? We're looking for something drawing an additional 50..60 mA *on average*, according to my runtime tests |
| 09:20:45 | ze | that i'd have resoldered if i didn't have the bestbuy service (i.e. free-upgrade :p) plan |
| 09:20:54 | LinusN | no, i have not looked at it since the last time |
| 09:22:42 | amiconn | Speaking about batteries, the player's hardware charging circuit does a significantly better job in charging my new high-capacity batteries than our wannabe-sophisticated algorithm for recorder v1 |
| 09:24:50 | amiconn | Do you remember how the player's charging chip is called? |
| 09:25:50 | LinusN | it depends on the version |
| 09:26:16 | LinusN | in any case, there is no charging chip in either version of the player |
| 09:26:22 | LinusN | only a regulator |
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| 09:27:26 | LinusN | amiconn: btw, what is a "better job"? |
| 09:27:27 | whatboutbob | is there any over-charge protection in the iriver h1xx / rockbox? |
| 09:27:33 | amiconn | Hmm. It seems that the regulator does some kind of intelligent regulation... |
| 09:27:35 | LinusN | whatboutbob: yes |
| 09:28:05 | LinusN | whatboutbob: in hardware |
| 09:28:17 | amiconn | LinusN: It charges them fully, faster than the recorder charging which switches to top-off/trickle way too early, and it generates less heat when the batteries are full |
| 09:29:01 | * | amiconn decides that today is player-day |
| 09:29:20 | LinusN | amiconn: the player charging is simple, non-supervised low-current |
| 09:29:47 | LinusN | afaik |
| 09:29:55 | amiconn | It charges my 2700mAh batteries in ~8 hours, so it can't be *that* low-current |
| 09:29:57 | whatboutbob | LinusN: a chap over at TapersSection.com had his MicroTracker lithium battery explode in a ball of flame...just makes me damn nervous with the amount of time the iriver spends in my hip pocket. :-) |
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| 09:30:21 | * | amiconn has to check which chip is in there |
| 09:31:15 | LinusN | i believe it's the mc34063a |
| 09:31:23 | LinusN | in newplayer |
| 09:31:30 | amiconn | Charging the recorder to full-charge (rather only 90% of full charge) takes twice as long - or may take anything from 10 to 24 hours depending on how the algorithm decies |
| 09:31:43 | amiconn | *decides |
| 09:31:46 | LinusN | amiconn: weird |
| 09:32:40 | LinusN | in any case, we will need some sort of intelligence in the v1 charging code, in case the user leaves the charger connected for a long time |
| 09:33:11 | LinusN | but i agree that the algorithm might be too smart |
| 09:34:15 | LinusN | amiconn: i assume that you are using the latest algorithm |
| 09:34:38 | LinusN | and not the one in the older versions of bootbox |
| 09:37:49 | preglow | btw |
| 09:38:14 | preglow | wouldn't some low battery shutdown measures be good now that it's release time? talking iriver |
| 09:39:03 | LinusN | perhaps |
| 09:40:01 | petur | there's a patch in the tracker for that |
| 09:40:04 | preglow | would it be hard to put something not extremely sucky in place? |
| 09:40:15 | LinusN | i guess |
| 09:40:21 | LinusN | it would be possiblt |
| 09:40:24 | LinusN | jkglpsjghw |
| 09:40:51 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3001 |
| 09:41:06 | LinusN | the h300 boot will need some changes |
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| 09:49:01 | JdGordon | midkay: i see your working on brickmania?? rekon u can add random level generation before 3.0 ? :D |
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| 09:58:19 | LinusN | what do you guys think about holding right/left for the horizontal scroll feature in the browser instead of the on+left/right combination? (patch #5182) |
| 09:58:29 | LinusN | i like it |
| 09:58:41 | LinusN | and i'm a fan of one-handed operation |
| 09:59:02 | preglow | me too |
| 09:59:06 | preglow | the fewer combos, the better |
| 09:59:15 | LinusN | how would it work on the ipods? |
| 09:59:19 | preglow | poorly :) |
| 09:59:30 | LinusN | thought so... |
| 09:59:39 | preglow | but no |
| 09:59:41 | linuxstb | Why? Wouldn't it be the same? |
| 09:59:44 | preglow | i would work ok, i guess |
| 09:59:53 | LinusN | oh |
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| 10:00:19 | LinusN | well, the ipod port is "buggy crap" anyway, isn't it :-) |
| 10:00:24 | preglow | not only buggy |
| 10:00:27 | preglow | it's smelly and ugly too |
| 10:00:34 | JdGordon | and sounds like a bag of shit.. |
| 10:00:38 | JdGordon | dont forget that/.. |
| 10:00:41 | preglow | yeah, that too |
| 10:01:07 | LinusN | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4346.0 |
| 10:01:10 | LinusN | i love it |
| 10:01:50 | linuxstb | I've already sent him his refund. |
| 10:01:56 | JdGordon | haha |
| 10:02:02 | LinusN | no! i did too |
| 10:02:09 | linuxstb | Damn... |
| 10:02:14 | LinusN | then ge got twice the amount |
| 10:02:16 | LinusN | he |
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| 10:02:45 | linuxstb | So he owes us a working Rockbox... |
| 10:02:46 | preglow | hahahaha |
| 10:02:57 | preglow | it's cute |
| 10:04:23 | preglow | we still got data aborts on mp3s on ipods? |
| 10:04:32 | LinusN | i wouldn't know |
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| 10:30:56 | amiconn | LinusN: Yes, of course I'm running the latest charging code on my v1 |
| 10:31:09 | LinusN | just checking |
| 10:31:58 | amiconn | Holding left/right for the horizontal scroll won't work on Ondio |
| 10:32:11 | LinusN | i know |
| 10:32:13 | amiconn | (and I still don't really understand the purpose of horizontal scroll |
| 10:32:15 | amiconn | ) |
| 10:32:25 | LinusN | really? |
| 10:33:44 | LinusN | ondio would still have to use the combo |
| 10:34:19 | LinusN | amiconn: do you really mean that you don't understand the purpose of the horizontal scroll? |
| 10:34:42 | amiconn | I understand what it does... just I don't understand what one would need it for |
| 10:34:45 | LinusN | or do you mean that you personally don't have a need for it? |
| 10:35:38 | amiconn | I mean, the current line scrolls anyway |
| 10:35:49 | LinusN | it's simple. if you have very long filenames with the song title at the end, it makes it easier to navigate |
| 10:36:12 | LinusN | otherwise you would have to wait for the scroll for every file name |
| 10:36:39 | amiconn | Imho it just makes navigation more confusing... since you don't see the beginnings of the names if you're scrolled right |
| 10:37:03 | LinusN | for many files, the beginning of the file name is the same |
| 10:37:26 | amiconn | really? |
| 10:37:27 | LinusN | the artist name followed by the album name |
| 10:37:33 | amiconn | Not here... |
| 10:37:41 | LinusN | not for you, perhaps |
| 10:37:53 | amiconn | Either you see a varying amount of the beginning (if 'scroll out of view' is off), or you might see nothing at all of the name |
| 10:38:23 | amiconn | The album name as part of the file name??? |
| 10:38:32 | LinusN | a common thing |
| 10:38:48 | * | amiconn has no single file with the album name as part of the file name |
| 10:39:21 | LinusN | i'm still not talking about *your* file names |
| 10:39:28 | amiconn | Of course not |
| 10:39:54 | amiconn | But still, I find it so confusing that I never use it even on archos, with its low-res display |
| 10:40:01 | preglow | amazingly common, yes |
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| 10:40:19 | preglow | i've used the feeature a couple of times on music other people ripped |
| 10:40:23 | preglow | beats having to rename them |
| 10:40:40 | linuxstb | I would prefer to rename them... |
| 10:40:44 | amiconn | Renaming is a few mouse cliks... in tools like TheGodFather |
| 10:40:55 | preglow | and a single command in linux |
| 10:40:59 | preglow | i still can't be bothered |
| 10:40:59 | LinusN | last time i looked, rockbox had no mouse support |
| 10:41:28 | amiconn | Yeah, but last time I looked, rockbox had no ripping support either... |
| 10:41:47 | amiconn | ..so you have to put the tracks on it from a PC (or record them yourself) ;) |
| 10:42:11 | LinusN | my point is, we could remove a lot of rockbox functions if everybody had the same habits |
| 10:42:27 | preglow | good idea, let's do that |
| 10:42:29 | preglow | according to my habits |
| 10:42:31 | amiconn | That's correct |
| 10:42:33 | preglow | playlists go! |
| 10:42:47 | linuxstb | Remove all codecs apart from FLAC |
| 10:42:58 | preglow | remove FLAC ! |
| 10:43:06 | linuxstb | That would simplify the playback engine... |
| 10:43:11 | LinusN | in fact, let's just keep the games |
| 10:43:22 | preglow | THAT would simplify the playback engine |
| 10:43:25 | amiconn | LinusN: My point is just that there are features which are in common use, and features which are more or less esoteric |
| 10:43:25 | linuxstb | Remove all games apart from bubbles and pacbox |
| 10:43:34 | petur | if you don't want any options, stay with the original firmware |
| 10:43:45 | LinusN | amiconn: do you know what functions are in common use? |
| 10:43:48 | amiconn | And I do think that the common features should have priority when assigning buttons etc |
| 10:44:21 | LinusN | what other common function would you like to assign to the hold-left/right buttons in the browser? |
| 10:45:44 | LinusN | i'd dare to say that no rockbox developer really knows how the "regular" users use rockbox |
| 10:45:57 | LinusN | partly because there are no "regular" users |
| 10:46:11 | LinusN | those users use the original firmware |
| 10:47:31 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 10:48:06 | amiconn | linuxstb, preglow: If it was for me, the first thing we could remove would be crossfading |
| 10:48:28 | LinusN | which i believe is a pretty popular feature |
| 10:48:33 | amiconn | LinusN: Perhaps we should do some kind of user poll... |
| 10:49:30 | LinusN | amiconn: would be interesting, but not more than that |
| 10:49:51 | petur | following the results of that poll, all features that amiconn uses get removed :P |
| 10:50:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:50:19 | linuxstb | All WPSs must use at least 50 individual bitmaps... |
| 10:50:34 | amiconn | urgh |
| 10:50:56 | markun | :) |
| 10:51:45 | amiconn | We should also make some kind of (high-level) feature list. I know that it will never be 100% complete though... |
| 10:52:05 | preglow | i don't use crossfade myself |
| 10:52:08 | preglow | but i'd never remove that |
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| 10:52:13 | preglow | it's a major feature |
| 10:52:16 | LinusN | i use it occasionally |
| 10:52:29 | preglow | one of the things that separate rockbox from the rest |
| 10:52:32 | LinusN | a very nice feature for party mode |
| 10:53:17 | preglow | if it was up to me, i'd remove the equaliser! |
| 10:53:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:53:33 | * | amiconn immediately switches off all fading when (re-)configuring rockbox |
| 10:54:03 | LinusN | crossfade is not enabled by default, iirc |
| 10:54:07 | preglow | volume fading is |
| 10:54:19 | preglow | the annoying bugger |
| 10:54:22 | amiconn | preglow: I would actually use the equaliser - on units with no hw tone control - if it would be possible |
| 10:54:36 | preglow | i've never used it yet |
| 10:54:39 | amiconn | Performance on ipod doesn't allow it yet |
| 10:54:39 | preglow | except for playing around, that is |
| 10:55:05 | preglow | we need some kind of settings acceleration better matched to the wheel |
| 10:55:17 | preglow | god, it's boring rotating that thing for hours to get where you want |
| 10:55:36 | preglow | apple does it very nicely in its file browser |
| 10:56:01 | amiconn | Apple has a file browser??? That's new to me... |
| 10:56:13 | preglow | well, blah |
| 10:56:27 | preglow | file browser/browser/metadata browser/rofl/lol |
| 10:57:23 | amiconn | I had no problems with the wheel speed so far... I actually think the wheel is a bit too sensitive |
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| 11:14:39 | preglow | sensitivity is another matter |
| 11:15:07 | preglow | my point is that the wheel is an excellent way to be able to control list acceleration, and we should use it |
| 11:15:40 | linuxstb | There is what looks like it might be a reasonable patch in the patch tracker for that. |
| 11:16:15 | amiconn | Doesn't it accelerae like button repeat on all targets? |
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| 11:17:27 | linuxstb | I don't think so. |
| 11:17:35 | preglow | i don't think that's adequate anyway |
| 11:17:42 | preglow | but no, i don't think it does |
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| 11:18:53 | h_ivanov | hi, guys.. is anybody interested in developing for priVileg AD-9625? |
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| 11:25:09 | h_ivanov | i will try to provide as much as needed for such a thing |
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| 11:27:17 | preglow | will you also provide people to do the port? :) |
| 11:27:38 | linuxstb | Is it only available in Bulgaria? |
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| 11:28:45 | h_ivanov | linuxstb: i don't know.. it's a chinece product, i suppose |
| 11:29:17 | h_ivanov | but i guess i could manage to tell you at least the site, if not the specs itself |
| 11:29:22 | markun | linuxstb: I've sent an email to Samsung about the SA58450X01. Let's hope they can give us some info. |
| 11:30:41 | linuxstb | markun: They seem to be relatively open about their other chips, so maybe you'll get a nice reply. Can you remind me which player uses that? |
| 11:32:05 | markun | iriver T10. The T20 users the X2 and the U10 the X3 |
| 11:32:23 | markun | X02 and X03 |
| 11:33:40 | markun | Also the H10 junior uses the SA58450X01 |
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| 12:41:25 | Genre9mp3 | haha....another golden quote by Linus... |
| 12:42:34 | XavierGr_ | indeed |
| 12:42:54 | XavierGr_ | I edited the wiki page as soon as possible |
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| 12:48:42 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 12:48:51 | JdGordon | is the freeze going one more week? |
| 12:50:07 | XavierGr_ | more probably though I am not sure. |
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| 13:02:17 | german_snail | i'm reading the CustomWPS doc... what does "The file may be 2 lines long for the Player, 13 lines for the Recorder and 26 lines for the iriver models (with native Rockbox font)." mean? |
| 13:03:07 | petur | the number of text lines available on a certain device? |
| 13:03:22 | theli_ua | i guess it just explains how many lines would fit into dfferent target's LCD with default font |
| 13:03:33 | petur | for the bitmapped players this will depend on the font of course |
| 13:05:13 | german_snail | who the hell edits the WPS file from the player anyway |
| 13:06:08 | petur | wait until we supprt usb keyboards and mouse :) |
| 13:06:22 | german_snail | lol |
| 13:06:26 | german_snail | and bluetooth |
| 13:06:49 | linuxstb | And TV output on the ipods... |
| 13:06:55 | german_snail | i'm sure the next gen ipods will have bluetooth |
| 13:06:56 | petur | no rockboxable dap has bluetooth yet |
| 13:07:02 | petur | heh |
| 13:07:07 | linuxstb | USB->Bluetooth adapter? |
| 13:07:25 | * | petur creeps back under his rock |
| 13:09:24 | XavierGr | petur USB OTG!!! |
| 13:09:24 | german_snail | linuxstb, is that possible for ipod? |
| 13:09:27 | * | XavierGr drools |
| 13:10:09 | petur | related note: I have to write two usb drivers for CE at work, so I'll be learning usb :D |
| 13:10:24 | XavierGr | then hooray \o/ |
| 13:10:38 | muesli|delhi | XavierGr did i miss something? |
| 13:10:38 | * | XavierGr throws confetti ~~~~~ |
| 13:10:55 | muesli|delhi | ust otg worx for irivers? |
| 13:11:05 | XavierGr | muesli|delhi: petur is going to learn more on USB |
| 13:11:18 | muesli|delhi | mk |
| 13:11:39 | muesli|delhi | i only wish the h300 lcd remote would work *dream* |
| 13:12:18 | petur | muesli|delhi: there is still a problem accessing the usbotg chip... once that works it might go much faster... |
| 13:12:30 | muesli|delhi | :) |
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| 13:22:04 | petur | german_snail: you still want to ask me something? |
| 13:22:48 | german_snail | yeah |
| 13:22:53 | german_snail | noob programming question |
| 13:22:56 | german_snail | umm |
| 13:23:16 | german_snail | i washed my mouth out after saying the word 'pascal' |
| 13:23:28 | petur | :) |
| 13:23:40 | german_snail | but i'm gonna say it again: |
| 13:23:55 | german_snail | just curious, would it be possible to code rockbox in pascal? |
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| 13:24:25 | german_snail | not rockbox, but a program that would replace mac firmware |
| 13:24:33 | german_snail | am i making sense? |
| 13:25:16 | petur | haven't looked at pascal since I left school, but I guess it should be possible |
| 13:25:28 | linuxstb | There's a GNU Pascal compiler based on gcc, so maybe.... But what do you mean by "replace mac firmware" ? |
| 13:26:58 | german_snail | well isn't that what rockbox does? |
| 13:27:35 | petur | ipoo |
| 13:27:38 | linuxstb | Rockbox replaces the original firmware in ipods. It's nothing to do with macs. |
| 13:28:32 | german_snail | oh |
| 13:28:37 | german_snail | apple firmware then |
| 13:28:43 | german_snail | :] |
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| 14:29:30 | preglow | linuxstb: you know if we can detect the usb power status on ipods yet? |
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| 14:32:34 | preglow | yes we can, it seems |
| 14:35:00 | lostlogic | are we releasign today or something? |
| 14:35:06 | preglow | nope |
| 14:35:14 | lostlogic | what's the plan? |
| 14:35:23 | preglow | i'm just assuming 29t |
| 14:35:23 | preglow | h |
| 14:35:45 | lostlogic | okies. that's good, I should have more time this week than last so I can actually fix some bugs before then. |
| 14:35:53 | XavierGr | that's the wird thing there is no plan :D |
| 14:35:56 | preglow | i had a bug where i got stuck at the end of a track the other day, btw |
| 14:36:05 | preglow | i tried skipping backwards when at the very end of a track |
| 14:36:20 | lostlogic | within pcmbuf seconds of the end? |
| 14:36:24 | preglow | progress indicator stuck there, but track started again when i tried to skip. could not skip to other tracks however |
| 14:36:27 | preglow | yeah |
| 14:36:31 | preglow | it was at the very very end |
| 14:37:11 | lostlogic | hmmmmm, frustrating that is, along with the seeking in the last pcmbuf seconds. |
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| 14:41:14 | amiconn | Hmm, there's still some weirdness with playlists |
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| 14:42:34 | preglow | nobody uses playlists anyway! |
| 14:42:53 | Moos | m3u, or on the fly? |
| 14:43:28 | preglow | all in all, playback seems pretty solid to me |
| 14:43:35 | preglow | voice ui, however, is not, they say |
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| 14:45:49 | XavierGr | strange thing with Voice UI is how slow it can get when browsing. |
| 14:46:09 | XavierGr | It tries to voice all entries even if the user gets paste them quickly... |
| 14:46:34 | * | petur noticed that too |
| 14:46:47 | XavierGr | paste = past |
| 14:47:18 | XavierGr | (damn my typing skills are getting far worse than preglow's :D ) |
| 14:47:51 | LinusN | lostlogic: how about the semaphore issue we discussed last time? |
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| 14:48:48 | silent | hello |
| 14:48:56 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:49:02 | silent | I had a quick question |
| 14:49:08 | XavierGr | shoot it |
| 14:49:26 | silent | i just wanted to know how to install fonts for themes |
| 14:49:55 | XavierGr | download the font pack from the daily builds |
| 14:50:06 | XavierGr | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060522.zip |
| 14:50:17 | silent | ok cool |
| 14:50:23 | silent | and how do I switch to them |
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| 14:50:52 | XavierGr | from General Settings choose Display option then Change font (or somehting similar) |
| 14:50:57 | silent | ok |
| 14:51:00 | silent | thank you |
| 14:51:15 | XavierGr | np |
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| 14:57:00 | amiconn | preglow: You always use playlists when playing music in rockbox |
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| 15:07:32 | preglow | amiconn: i know, but that's just an unfortunate consequence of the design ;) |
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| 15:08:18 | XavierGr | preglow: I don't see that as unfortunate. If it hadn't got some bugs it would be ideal. |
| 15:10:44 | * | Moos love the *best* playlist concept there is for DAP |
| 15:10:59 | Moos | Glory for hardeep ;) |
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| 15:13:46 | webguest55 | the playlist catalog which Hardeep finished works just fine, very nice feature |
| 15:14:28 | Moos | this is for post 3.0 |
| 15:14:36 | midkay | JdGordon, haha. hmm... :) |
| 15:14:48 | webguest55 | yes, but I'm running it now |
| 15:14:55 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 15:15:01 | JdGordon | :) |
| 15:15:36 | midkay | basic random generation should be pretty simple actually.. |
| 15:15:42 | midkay | pre-3.0, i dunno.. :) |
| 15:16:44 | webguest55 | I cant find the "coffe at 5am" feature, that would complete rockbox for me |
| 15:17:09 | webguest55 | coffe=coffee |
| 15:17:15 | Moos | haha :D |
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| 15:19:28 | petur | PaulJam: backdrops working fine now? |
| 15:20:15 | midkay | haha. |
| 15:20:32 | PaulJam | petur: i haven't experienced any problems, but i haven't tested much |
| 15:21:03 | PaulJam | petur: thanks for the fix |
| 15:23:41 | Moos | for the reworw even :P |
| 15:23:46 | Moos | *rework |
| 15:27:35 | linuxstb | petur: Yes, thanks for cleaning up my mess... |
| 15:28:41 | Moos | :-) |
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| 17:53:40 | Colossus | Hey. I'm having a problem with rockbox on an iPod Mini 2g. I got the tagcache to work, mostly, but now it won't forget files−−-I had to remove a couple m4as and replace them with oggs, but it still lists them on the "tracks" listing. When I try to play them, though, it just stops. |
| 17:56:20 | PaulJam | Automatic removing of files form TagCache is not yet implemented. You need to force the tagcache update manually. |
| 17:57:01 | Colossus | Alright. I think I may have done that already, though. |
| 17:58:10 | Colossus | Nope, forcing the update didn't fix it. |
| 17:58:31 | Colossus | Is there a way that I can delete the tag cache and reform it? |
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| 17:59:37 | PaulJam | have you rebooted after forcing the update? |
| 17:59:44 | Colossus | Just trying that now. |
| 17:59:55 | Colossus | Rebooting as in hard reset, or rebooting as in turning it off and then on again? |
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| 18:00:26 | PaulJam | turning off and on |
| 18:00:35 | Colossus | Nope, that didn't work. |
| 18:00:44 | Colossus | Wait, assuming that I'm letting the update go through. |
| 18:00:51 | XavierGr | reset does the same bu there is no need for it. |
| 18:01:00 | Colossus | It shows the busy sign in the upper right corner, and I've been waiting until that icon goes away. |
| 18:01:20 | PaulJam | then i have no idea (i'm not using tagcache) |
| 18:01:43 | Colossus | Hm. |
| 18:01:46 | Colossus | Alright. |
| 18:02:12 | Colossus | Do you know where the tagcache itself is kept? |
| 18:02:54 | PaulJam | i think tagcache creates some files in the .rockbox directory, you could try to remove them |
| 18:03:02 | Colossus | Yeah. |
| 18:03:06 | Colossus | That's what I was thinking. |
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| 18:06:03 | Colossus | Oh, yeah, that's pretty easy to find. They're all named “tagcache_0x†|
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| 18:06:55 | Mikachu | fancy quotes |
| 18:07:12 | Colossus | Heh. Sorry. I'm more used to them. |
| 18:09:18 | Mikachu | i have heard the complaint before but i don't remember what the reply was, but i'm assuming it will be fixed sooner or later |
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| 18:13:38 | Colossus | Yeah, the fix seems to be deleting the tagcache files. |
| 18:13:44 | Colossus | Not simple, but not that bad, either. |
| 18:16:10 | Colossus | Alright, now it says it can't find the codec to play mp3s. |
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| 18:16:26 | Mikachu | did you update rockbox.ipod without updating .rockbox? |
| 18:16:43 | Colossus | and has “can??†as the title for the current song. |
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| 18:16:51 | Colossus | I don't think I updated either rockbox.ipod or .rockbox |
| 18:16:58 | Mikachu | oh heh |
| 18:17:05 | Colossus | I mean, I deleted the tagcache files from .rockbox/, but ... |
| 18:17:37 | markun | but you still have the mp3 codec? |
| 18:17:51 | XavierGr | ah hello markun ;p |
| 18:17:52 | Colossus | That's a good question. |
| 18:18:00 | markun | hi XavierGr! |
| 18:18:03 | Colossus | It occurs to me that it's entirely possible that I've only been playing oggs and m4as. |
| 18:18:06 | markun | Don't worry, I will commit today :) |
| 18:18:09 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 18:18:10 | XavierGr | nice |
| 18:18:20 | Colossus | Hm. |
| 18:18:25 | Colossus | I have mpa.codec and mpc.codec |
| 18:18:30 | amiconn | That's a known bug I told Slasheri numerous times |
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| 18:19:10 | Mikachu | maybe a good time to fix it |
| 18:19:19 | amiconn | If you update tagcache and don't have dircache + tagcache in ram enabled, it will show that weird mpa.codec error and not show any files after tagcache commit on next boot |
| 18:19:41 | Colossus | Alright. |
| 18:19:45 | amiconn | I have no idea what causes the error. Possibly tagcache messes with the dirbrowser buffer |
| 18:19:51 | Colossus | Where do I enable dircache + tagcache in ram? |
| 18:19:55 | amiconn | The solution is to reboot once more |
| 18:20:09 | amiconn | s/solution/workaround/ |
| 18:20:22 | Colossus | Alright. |
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| 18:21:05 | Colossus | Thank you very much. |
| 18:24:23 | XavierGr | amiconn: any plans to make Disk Power off default? This issue is definitely a 3.0 one. |
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| 18:30:01 | enzyme | any one here use the nw-hd1 with mp3 support |
| 18:33:42 | markun | enzyme: I don't, but why do you ask? |
| 18:36:22 | enzyme | because when i put the music on the player it converts the files to oma files, and i cant take the music off of my player |
| 18:36:31 | preglow | this channel is about rockbox |
| 18:36:38 | preglow | we don't support that player |
| 18:37:02 | enzyme | i know i thought some one here would know something about it |
| 18:37:10 | markun | enzyme: isn't there a sony walkman forum? |
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| 19:15:37 | kkurbjun | does anyone have a mini they're using rockbox on? |
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| 19:16:00 | kkurbjun | ipod mini that is |
| 19:19:17 | XavierGr | kkurbjun: I think amiconn has one |
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| 19:22:01 | kkurbjun | hmm, I was wondering because when my 1g "shutsdown" it sometimes leaves 1 or 2 black bars on the LCD which end up getting burned in even after only a few minutes of leaving it like this. By burned in I mean they keep showing after I've powered the ipod back on. It takes them a while to go away and I was wondering if this was known or common. My mini is modified a bit... |
| 19:22:17 | kkurbjun | amiconn has a 2g mini I think though too |
| 19:23:55 | amiconn | I know that effect |
| 19:24:12 | amiconn | We need to shut down the lcd controller properly on ipod, which we don't do yet |
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| 19:24:52 | kkurbjun | amiconn: ahh, ok, where's the shutdown code located? do you know if ipod linux has this problem also? |
| 19:25:12 | amiconn | XavierGr: The question is, do we want to keep the option for disk poweroff, and only enable it by default, or do we want to enable it completely, and get rid of the option altogether? |
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| 19:25:45 | amiconn | I measured spinup times a bit, for H1x0 it takes ~0.5 sec longer to spin up from powered off state |
| 19:25:52 | amiconn | (3.1 sec versus 2.6 sec) |
| 19:26:09 | amiconn | For archos, the difference is considerably smaller for whatever reason |
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| 19:26:27 | kkurbjun | it seems to eat quite a bit of my battery when this happens too |
| 19:26:48 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I dunno whether ipl has the same problem, I don't have it installed, and won't install it either |
| 19:27:10 | scorche` | midkay |
| 19:27:11 | amiconn | I installed it once, it ran exactly one time. After shutdown and power up, it didn't boot anymore |
| 19:27:13 | scorche` | errr |
| 19:27:19 | scorche` | :you there? =) |
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| 19:28:46 | kkurbjun | no, I was just wondering if they know how to properly shutdown the lcd or if we have any documentation on the lcd? |
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| 19:29:08 | amiconn | The datasheets are available, both for the mono and the colour lcd controller |
| 19:29:42 | XavierGr | amiconn: so what's your vote? |
| 19:29:44 | kkurbjun | ok, i'll look into that then |
| 19:30:02 | kkurbjun | so this is an issue with more then just the mini's? |
| 19:30:05 | amiconn | I only didn't do it yet b/c ipod isn't a 3.0 release target |
| 19:30:43 | amiconn | For the other targets it doesn't seem to be needed, but it sounds like a good idea to do it for all |
| 19:31:21 | amiconn | It's just a matter of adding a new unction to all lcd driver (lcd_shutdown() or sth like that) |
| 19:31:34 | amiconn | *function, drivers |
| 19:31:59 | kkurbjun | I see, I was just interested in having my mini shutdown right because sometimes I forget to restart the mini in the apple os |
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| 19:32:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:32:35 | kkurbjun | I don't know what damage this can cause the the lcd also if any |
| 19:32:39 | amiconn | Why do you start retailos? |
| 19:32:57 | * | amiconn removed retailos from the firmware partition |
| 19:33:01 | kkurbjun | I just start it so I don't have to worry about the bars being "burned" in |
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| 19:33:37 | kkurbjun | I don't know if this is true also, but it seems to really drain the battery when that happens also |
| 19:33:46 | vin` | I can't seem to get the power up, the battery is mostly empty in the graphic, haven't had any problems yet, is the icon for real? |
| 19:34:07 | vin` | kkurbjun: when what happens? missed it. |
| 19:34:31 | amiconn | kkurbjun: I didn't observe that at all |
| 19:34:49 | kkurbjun | when the mini shutsdown sometimes bars are left on the screen that end up getting left into the screen. Yeah, I'm not sure if that |
| 19:35:09 | kkurbjun | 's actually happening as I havnt' really checked the battery meter before and after |
| 19:35:16 | amiconn | All I get is a little black bar from time to time. It never appears when the poweroff time was very short, and it also doesn't appear when the poweroff time was very long |
| 19:35:35 | amiconn | (very long meaning a day or so) |
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| 19:35:56 | kkurbjun | hmm, so you don't get the bar burned in? |
| 19:36:59 | amiconn | It looks like you described when it appears (pure black first, then slowly fading), but it only happens sometimes, and only when the poweroff time was neither too short nor too long |
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| 19:38:28 | amiconn | It's definitely not good for the lcd when this happens often, so it should be fixed, |
| 19:38:39 | amiconn | but it doesn't seem to be too harful either |
| 19:38:48 | amiconn | *harmful |
| 19:38:49 | kkurbjun | hmm, I acidentally left it like that overnight and it took it a long time to go away. When I noticed it within a few minutes and restarted it went away much quicker |
| 19:39:19 | kkurbjun | also I had just charged my battery and ran it for about 30 minutes and then it shutdown, the batery was dead in the morning |
| 19:39:46 | kkurbjun | but I don't know what to typically expect for runtimes in rockbox |
| 19:40:04 | kkurbjun | it's a new battery too, 800mah I think |
| 19:40:22 | amiconn | I think one of the charge pump capacitors of the lcd controller doesn't discharge fast enough, and the lcd controller clock stops when the voltage gets too low, so the resident charge gets applied to whatever lcd row was switched on at that moment |
| 19:40:52 | amiconn | mini 1g or 2g? |
| 19:41:10 | amiconn | (g == generation) |
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| 19:41:31 | kkurbjun | 750 that is.. mini 1g, but I don't have the hitachi drive in there either. It's just a CF card |
| 19:42:10 | kkurbjun | seems to run fine other then the lcd problem.. it's almost all the time for me |
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| 19:42:14 | amiconn | Hmm. The 1st gen is listed as having significantly shorter battery life |
| 19:42:22 | kkurbjun | don't know if that CF card affects that too though |
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| 19:43:04 | amiconn | Apple promises 8 hours for 1st gen (stock 400 mAh battery) |
| 19:43:19 | amiconn | 2nd gen should reach 18 hours (stock 630 mAh battery) |
| 19:43:32 | amiconn | Rockbox manages ~10 hours on 2nd gen |
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| 19:43:40 | kkurbjun | wow, that is a big difference |
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| 19:44:11 | amiconn | Yes, we need to find the disk poweroff control (I'm pretty sure there is one) |
| 19:44:20 | kkurbjun | I wonder what causes that. the 1g has a different pp chip only correct |
| 19:44:33 | kkurbjun | from the 2g that is |
| 19:44:52 | amiconn | Different PP, different button/wheel electronics, and an 8bit interface to the lcd |
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| 19:45:23 | kkurbjun | I would think the CF card would have better runtimes though.. what's the interface on the 2g? |
| 19:45:26 | amiconn | The mini 2nd gen is the only greyscale ipod that has a 16bit interface to the lcd controller |
| 19:45:31 | kkurbjun | ahh |
| 19:45:49 | kkurbjun | that seems unnecessary |
| 19:45:55 | amiconn | (and it's also the only ipod equipped with PP5022) |
| 19:47:09 | kkurbjun | is the 22 more efficient power wise? |
| 19:47:43 | amiconn | Seems so... |
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| 19:48:17 | amiconn | The PP5022 an also be clocked higher. If I want, I can have all 5 eq bands with mp3 and no skipping |
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| 19:49:06 | kkurbjun | nice |
| 19:49:58 | kkurbjun | the product brief says 300% power reduction over the 20.. wonder why they didnt' use the 22 in the photo |
| 19:50:48 | amiconn | They use the 5021 in nano & video |
| 19:51:12 | amiconn | It's said to be a low power version of the 5020, but there's no product brief |
| 19:51:21 | amiconn | Perhaps the 5022 was too expensive |
| 19:51:51 | kkurbjun | makes sense |
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| 19:54:00 | silent | hello |
| 19:54:11 | kkurbjun | amiconn: do you have a link to the lcd spec sheet for the mini's? |
| 19:54:16 | silent | i had another quick question |
| 19:54:38 | silent | is there any way to get iBoy (gameboy emulator) to run on rockbox instead of rockboy |
| 19:55:00 | silent | because the setup of the rockboy is horrible with the button configuration on an ipod |
| 19:55:44 | kkurbjun | not unless you remake iboy for rockbox. I think your time would be better spent trying to fix the ipod's controls though |
| 19:56:59 | markun | silent: why not just fix the button configuration for rockboy? |
| 19:57:07 | silent | there just arent enough buttons on the ipod for all the functions |
| 19:57:24 | markun | How does iboy fix it? |
| 19:57:36 | markun | solve |
| 19:57:47 | silent | on iboy the movement is on the touch of a button, not actually pressing it |
| 19:58:50 | silent | ill be on a bit later though |
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| 20:02:04 | kkurbjun | amiconn, found it, nevermind |
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| 20:06:48 | Genre9mp3 | markun, here? |
| 20:08:35 | markun | yes |
| 20:08:49 | Genre9mp3 | I have something for you... |
| 20:08:54 | Genre9mp3 | http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/dump_0007.PNG |
| 20:09:09 | markun | Nice! |
| 20:09:13 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 20:11:16 | markun | I'll post it on mygigabeat if you don't mind |
| 20:11:41 | markun | Which font did you use? |
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| 20:12:28 | Genre9mp3 | courB14 |
| 20:12:56 | Caliban | Anyone here running Rockbox on an X5? |
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| 20:16:28 | Caliban | Any X5 owners here? |
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| 20:20:26 | Moos | Caliban: yes? |
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| 20:20:57 | FLACo98 | hey all |
| 20:21:04 | MarcoPolo | hey |
| 20:21:19 | FLACo98 | anything fun happening? |
| 20:22:33 | | Nick FLACo98 is now known as Falco98 (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) |
| 20:24:22 | MarcoPolo | anything new concerning ipod battery life with rockbox ? |
| 20:24:40 | * | Falco98 looks around |
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| 20:25:11 | Caliban | Damn, Moos left. |
| 20:25:14 | markun | I don't think so, but the ipod port don't have a high priority before 3.0 |
| 20:25:19 | Caliban | Any other X5 owners here? |
| 20:25:54 | XavierGr | so markun:what's the current progress of the Gigabeat port? |
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| 20:27:43 | Moos | Caliban: I'm here for few little minutes, how can I help you? |
| 20:29:46 | markun | XavierGr: we're trying to display the rockbox logo on the screen, but for some reason it's not working |
| 20:30:48 | linuxstb | Are you still fighting the linux kernel? |
| 20:31:14 | markun | linuxstb: we replaced the linux kernel |
| 20:31:27 | HCl | linux kernel? |
| 20:31:39 | markun | HCl: the toshiba gigabeat runs linux |
| 20:32:02 | HCl | ah. |
| 20:32:03 | markun | HCl: Ah, 20:30, I'll be there in a few minutes :) |
| 20:32:05 | HCl | :p |
| 20:32:05 | linuxstb | markun: What have you replaced it with? Your own linux kernel, or Rockbox? |
| 20:32:05 | HCl | k |
| 20:32:28 | markun | linuxstb: just a test app |
| 20:33:29 | linuxstb | Has anyone started the work to get the Rockbox bootloader compiling? |
| 20:34:33 | markun | linuxstb: I made some small changes so backlight, ata and button driver should work. |
| 20:34:56 | linuxstb | Nice. |
| 20:34:59 | markun | After LCD and USB mode I think we could get the bootloader running |
| 20:35:58 | markun | USB mode would be nice because we have to hot-swap the hdd to replace the kernel right now |
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| 20:44:29 | Aghaster | hi everybody |
| 20:44:33 | Aghaster | saluton markun ;) |
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| 20:51:29 | Caliban | Moos: hi, I was wondering if Rockbox removes the 9999 file limit on the X5, the way it does on the H140. |
| 20:51:59 | Zeal | Hey guys, I have an Ipod 2G, and I was wondering what I can do to help... |
| 20:52:22 | Caliban | Moos: I've been using Rockbox on an H140 for a long while, but I'd like to get an 60 Gb X5. |
| 20:52:24 | amiconn | markun: hot swap? |
| 20:52:32 | Moos | Caliban: no number file limit on Rockbox, that is for all devices |
| 20:52:43 | Moos | Caliban: I've got both too |
| 20:52:46 | Caliban | Moos: However, it's only useful to me if I can use Rockbox and go beyond 9999 files. |
| 20:52:51 | Caliban | Moos: That's great news |
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| 20:53:25 | Caliban | I wasn't sure if it was an OS limit or that the file-system itself was somehow limited to 9999 files on the X5. |
| 20:53:31 | Moos | all Rockbox devices have'nt this limit |
| 20:53:49 | Caliban | That's great news. Out of interest, why do you own both devices? |
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| 20:54:31 | Moos | my ihp 140 is 2 1/2 years old now :) |
| 20:54:53 | Moos | and my X5 60GB have something like 2 months |
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| 20:55:09 | Caliban | yeah, mine, too, but it's still the best player out there, IMHO. Of course, I don't actually own the X5 yet. |
| 20:55:24 | Caliban | Do you prefer the X5 or the iHP140? |
| 20:55:27 | markun | amiconn: yes, original bootloader enters USB mode if it doesn't detect a hdd. |
| 20:55:54 | Moos | yeah for pure music I think so the h140 is the best, but I wanted to switch for more storage+color |
| 20:56:01 | Moos | @Caliban |
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| 20:56:32 | Caliban | Moos: Agreed. If there were an iHP160, I would want that instead. |
| 20:56:44 | Caliban | I don't care about the colour so much. |
| 20:57:05 | w0ng | is v3 "officially" comming out today? or is it slated for the 29th? |
| 20:57:07 | Aghaster | Are there any esperantists in here? / Cxu estas esperantistoj cxi tie? |
| 20:57:22 | Aghaster | I'm currently working on the Esperanto translation, so anybody who's interested please message me |
| 20:57:35 | Caliban | I need to find somewhere that sells the car charger for the X5 in Europe. |
| 20:57:37 | linuxstb | w0ng: I think the 29th. |
| 20:57:38 | Moos | Caliban: switch to color isn't too bad neither ;) |
| 20:57:51 | w0ng | mmh |
| 20:57:53 | w0ng | alrihty :) |
| 20:57:55 | w0ng | alright& |
| 20:57:57 | Caliban | Moos: sure, if it's there also, it's a bonus. |
| 20:57:59 | w0ng | fucking keyboard |
| 20:58:38 | Caliban | Moos: do you have an opinion on which device gives better sound, the iHP140 or the X5? |
| 20:58:46 | Moos | Caliban: a good one :) , but my h140 still working like a charm and I still love it, but my main device is X5 now |
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| 20:59:27 | Moos | both have good quality imho, but I don't think there is noticiable difference betwen them |
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| 21:00:03 | Moos | I remenber with the 2-3 days I tested cowan fw, the sound was quite impressive with bass and all |
| 21:00:27 | Caliban | Great. Well, I think that tips me over the edge. I'll order the X5 from a shop here in .nl tonight./ |
| 21:00:39 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 21:00:40 | Caliban | It'll be great to have a 60 Gb player. |
| 21:00:46 | Moos | I think so |
| 21:00:58 | Moos | I really love my X5 Rockbox ;) |
| 21:01:05 | Caliban | I just hope they get the battery life to be a little better soon. |
| 21:01:19 | Moos | let's hope in Rockbox |
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| 21:01:47 | PaulJam_ | Caliban: why don't you just change the harddrive of your h140? |
| 21:01:56 | Moos | if there wasn't Rockbox, I probably didn't buy one X5 anyway :) |
| 21:01:56 | Caliban | Moos: do you know a good source for the X5 car adapter? I haven't found a shop in this country that has it. |
| 21:02:17 | Moos | I don't use this sorry |
| 21:02:25 | Caliban | PaulJam_: It seemed like a lot of hassle. I love my iHP140 and didn't want to mess with it. |
| 21:02:50 | Caliban | Moos: I agree. I've been waiting to get an X5 until Rockbox was a little further along. |
| 21:03:09 | Moos | with Rockbox, it rocks ;) |
| 21:03:15 | Moos | anyway time to go out |
| 21:03:18 | Moos | c you all |
| 21:03:26 | Moos | Caliban: hope I helped you |
| 21:03:26 | Caliban | OK, thanks for your answers to my questions. |
| 21:03:30 | w0ng | i wish rockbox could have my babies! |
| 21:03:31 | w0ng | <3 |
| 21:03:32 | Caliban | yes, you did |
| 21:03:33 | Caliban | thanks |
| 21:03:33 | Moos | nno problems |
| 21:03:34 | Caliban | bye |
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| 21:04:55 | Aghaster | i like that quit message :P |
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| 21:08:24 | Falco98 | i just started my h140 for the first time since last night, and it booted into the factory software... |
| 21:08:28 | Falco98 | for no particular reason |
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| 21:09:18 | Falco98 | hm.. rockbox loaded fine this time |
| 21:09:21 | Falco98 | weeeeeeird |
| 21:10:15 | Falco98 | ooh |
| 21:10:22 | Falco98 | i've found a bug in general shuffle mode |
| 21:10:38 | Falco98 | ermm.. that is to say, a bug with using "insert shuffled" |
| 21:10:53 | Falco98 | (but not in "shuffle mode" player-wise) |
| 21:11:27 | Falco98 | if you start a playlist by doing an "insert shuffled", and it starts playing on track X, and it reads "1 of XXX" (referring to your position in the dynamic playlist)... |
| 21:12:30 | Falco98 | if you then stop / restart and resume playback, it resumes on the correct song, in the correct spot, but the dynamic playlist has been fux0red −− mine is now reading "96 of XXX" when a second ago it was reading "1" |
| 21:12:54 | Falco98 | wth is that all about? |
| 21:13:35 | * | linuxstb points to hardeep |
| 21:16:06 | * | Falco98 has always been a little confused by the numbering of things in the playlist-control file |
| 21:16:36 | * | Falco98 is just relieved it's not a bug in the "insert random folders" patch, since it happens similarly there |
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| 21:19:43 | PaulJam_ | Falco98: have you verified this with a "clean" cvs build? |
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| 21:25:49 | Falco98 | Paul: nope.. though i'm relatively confident that my patch doesn't interfere with or affect "insert shuffled" at all |
| 21:26:50 | Falco98 | you wanna try for me real quick? just do "insert shuffled" on a folder with a bunch of subfolders and files and stuff.. then stop, and resume playback, and note your position in the dynamic playlist |
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| 21:32:10 | hardeep | Falco98: i had fixed a similar bug a week or so ago, are you using latest cvs? |
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| 21:33:39 | hardeep | yeah, it's working fine for me |
| 21:34:09 | PaulJam_ | for me this bug happens too, but im currently using a patched build |
| 21:36:17 | Falco98 | hardeep: the build i observe the bug in is only 3 days old |
| 21:36:20 | Falco98 | the 19th |
| 21:36:35 | Falco98 | i'm currently compiling an instance of the simulator based on today's daily, unpatched |
| 21:36:44 | Falco98 | so i can see if it's isolated or not :-P |
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| 21:36:50 | hardeep | Falco98: okay, let me know if it still happens with unpatched |
| 21:36:56 | Falco98 | ok |
| 21:37:13 | * | Falco98 waits 10 minutes for the compiler to do its thing :-P |
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| 21:39:21 | * | Falco98 wonders where one would get iAmp now that WPS' aren't included in daily builds |
| 21:39:30 | Falco98 | (since it's not in the WPS gallery apparently) |
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| 21:44:04 | hardeep | aha, i reproduced it |
| 21:44:22 | hardeep | happens when you insert shuffled with shuffle mode off |
| 21:44:36 | hardeep | will take a look |
| 21:44:38 | Falco98 | correct |
| 21:44:40 | Falco98 | :) |
| 21:44:55 | Falco98 | i noticed it when i would be using "insert tree randomly" then restart later |
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| 21:45:20 | Falco98 | the track-playing would be correct, but the positioning in the dynamic PL would be somewhere between "off" and "WAY off" |
| 21:45:42 | Falco98 | (and, of course, when doing "insert tree randomly" one would typically have shuffle off) |
| 21:46:10 | * | scorche` has shuffle on when doing the above for some odd reason |
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| 21:46:52 | Falco98 | when doing which? |
| 21:47:09 | scorche` | insert shuffled |
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| 21:48:30 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 21:49:12 | l337dexter | i have a question for any of all if you can help (Rockbox on iPod 4g) |
| 21:49:23 | scorche` | then say it >_> |
| 21:49:35 | Falco98 | to do so makes sense when listening to an already-shuffled list in shuffle mode, and you want to add something.. but if you do a big "insert shuffled" to generate your playlist and don't want it further messed with, you leave shuffle mode off :-P |
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| 21:50:24 | l337dexter | ok, i install the bootloader, it works, i took a build from may 10, put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod into the root of my ipod, and when it tries to boot, it just sits at the Rockbox screen that shows the cvs version |
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| 21:50:33 | Falco98 | hardeep: you beat me to it, but just to make sure i just reproduced it via the latest clean build |
| 21:50:34 | * | scorche` sees nothing wrong with further messing with a shuffled playlist |
| 21:51:25 | Falco98 | scorche`: agreed, but there may be some cases where someone might not want it so |
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| 21:51:36 | scorche` | but not for me =) |
| 21:51:42 | dunno | hardeep, your thoughts on giving the wps context > playlist catalog > view <== a different name ? perhaps Catalog List |
| 21:51:48 | Falco98 | l337dexter: how about a more recent build? |
| 21:52:03 | l337dexter | well i tried todays and yesterdays build first but it does the same thing |
| 21:52:16 | hardeep | dunno: i'm okay with whatever name... however, the playlist catalog->view implies viewing the playlist catalog, not the playlist imo |
| 21:52:42 | PaulJam_ | l337dexter: are you using an ipod g4? |
| 21:52:57 | l337dexter | @paul: yes |
| 21:53:28 | dunno | Hardeep, it doesn't have the same functionality as the normal playlists "view", thats why I was thinking of naming it differently |
| 21:53:50 | Aghaster | 1337, i had that issue once. i installed daily build and never had that problem again |
| 21:54:09 | PaulJam_ | i read about this bug, the only solution i know of is to use an older buid where this doesn't happen |
| 21:54:19 | l337dexter | should i go before may 10? |
| 21:54:22 | hardeep | dunno: but the name of the context menu is different (i.e. playlist->view vs. playlist catalog->view) |
| 21:54:55 | hardeep | i'll change it if it confuses people of course |
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| 21:55:04 | dunno | yes but the playlist view has diffent function to catalog's view |
| 21:55:10 | PaulJam_ | l337dexter: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5332 |
| 21:55:27 | hardeep | exactly, you're vieweing a "playlist" vs. viewing a "playlist catalog" |
| 21:55:37 | hardeep | they should have different functions |
| 21:56:08 | hardeep | but, it's such a minor issue... i'll go ahead and change |
| 21:56:19 | dunno | I must admit to it confusing me, I expected the same result in catalog view as playlist view |
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| 21:57:36 | dunno | Thanks for implementing this feature hardeep |
| 21:57:37 | l337dexter | @paul: that one works, thanks much |
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| 21:58:37 | l337dexter | another question, can i start my ipod in file mode, load up my songs using itunes, and then have rockbox actaully play all those songs? |
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| 22:00:53 | Falco98 | l337: considered ditching iTunes? |
| 22:00:57 | | Part dunno |
| 22:01:22 | l337dexter | falco: should i? |
| 22:01:24 | markun | l337dexter: should work. Are you using tagcache? |
| 22:03:08 | l337dexter | well my friend has that problem, when he starts it up it says the tagcache isn't built or someting |
| 22:03:39 | Falco98 | l337: you could.. it would make things a bit easier, since you could just use a sane filesystem instead of the iTunes one |
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| 22:03:58 | l337dexter | so just make folders on it basically? |
| 22:04:04 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 22:04:07 | l337dexter | like normal ppl put them on their hard drives? |
| 22:04:09 | Falco98 | copy shit straight over |
| 22:04:14 | Falco98 | yup |
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| 22:04:31 | petur | hahaha 'normal people' :) |
| 22:04:41 | l337dexter | :P |
| 22:04:57 | Falco98 | but if you do want to use tagcache, just have it "force update" first |
| 22:05:03 | Falco98 | otherwise it'll show nothing |
| 22:05:28 | l337dexter | how do i force update it? |
| 22:05:38 | * | amiconn spots hardeep |
| 22:05:44 | Falco98 | hmm.. that i forget, it's somewhere in the menus |
| 22:05:54 | hardeep | hey amiconn |
| 22:06:10 | amiconn | hardeep: Did you read about the strange effect I had when adding a dir to a playlist on my Ondio? |
| 22:06:51 | Falco98 | amiconn: just wanted to let u know i fixed that bug you found in my "track skip + shuffle" patch which you found just after i parted a few days ago |
| 22:06:53 | amiconn | Unfortunately I didn't make a copy of .playlist_control ... |
| 22:07:06 | hardeep | amiconn: looking at it now |
| 22:07:07 | amiconn | Falco98: Yes, read that |
| 22:07:31 | Falco98 | cool |
| 22:07:35 | amiconn | hardeep: There's more to it. After restarting, I kept that playlist since it appeared to work properly again. |
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| 22:07:58 | hardeep | amiconn: the playlist code should be thread safe... at least we try to take a mutex around all playlist/control accesses |
| 22:08:18 | hardeep | amiconn: it might a problem with flush/reload logic in mpeg code around track changes |
| 22:08:30 | amiconn | A day later I decided to add another directory. Then it became totally weird: After the last old directory ended, it didn't continue with the new one. |
| 22:08:31 | l337dexter | is tag cache a good way to do it or not? |
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| 22:08:47 | amiconn | Instead, it played a track from the old part of the list.... |
| 22:08:54 | hardeep | hmmmm |
| 22:08:55 | Falco98 | l337: you can but try it and see what you think |
| 22:09:06 | Falco98 | of course, if you use a normal directory structure you could always do it both ways :-P |
| 22:09:10 | amiconn | This was the point were I decided to flush the list and restart playing the dir |
| 22:09:24 | hardeep | that does sound like the playlist was corrupted somehow |
| 22:09:38 | amiconn | What would cause that? |
| 22:09:42 | l337dexter | if i use a normal dir structure, do i show files by id3 tag or how? |
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| 22:09:56 | Falco98 | like i said, you can do it either way |
| 22:10:05 | sharpe | woo!!! |
| 22:10:06 | Falco98 | you can use filetree navigation or do tagcache if you like that |
| 22:10:08 | amiconn | The addition of the last dir was done half-way through a track, not near a track change |
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| 22:10:24 | sharpe | hey everyone |
| 22:10:35 | l337dexter | should i make the dir start in the main dir of the ipod or start liek in a sub dir called music |
| 22:10:50 | hardeep | amiconn: only way i could see that happening is if the order of tracks in playlist was not updated correctly when you inserted the new ones |
| 22:10:56 | Falco98 | i use a subdir called "music", but you could do it any wya you like |
| 22:11:02 | hardeep | did you look at the playlist in the viewer by any chance? |
| 22:11:09 | Falco98 | i do "music" -> "albums" -> artist list, etc |
| 22:11:27 | amiconn | hardeep: Unfortunately not :-( |
| 22:11:32 | l337dexter | i was thinking music -> artist -> album |
| 22:11:40 | sharpe | i do music > "Artist [Album]" |
| 22:12:15 | hardeep | i'll take a look to see if there's anything that could cause that problem... |
| 22:12:19 | Falco98 | i should clarify: i do "music" -> "albums", "live stuff", "soundtracks" -> "artist" -> "(year) Album" |
| 22:12:20 | hardeep | it sounds like it hasn't reproduced since? |
| 22:12:42 | l337dexter | thats happy system |
| 22:13:14 | Falco98 | i only have it split up that specifically (with separate trees for albums, live stuff, soundtracks, etc) so i have good control over building playlists |
| 22:13:24 | Falco98 | on my PC i just have everything by artist / album |
| 22:14:34 | Falco98 | oh well, time to split for awhile... |
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| 22:15:25 | amiconn | hardeep: No, not yet. Usually I don't extend dynamic playlists by adding dirs to it, but let a dir play until it ends, then start a new one |
| 22:16:12 | amiconn | This was the first time in a while I did it this way - and it caused all the weirdness |
| 22:18:23 | amiconn | I think it might have to do with thread because it happened on Ondio, which implies 2 things: (1) Ondio "disk" (MMC) reading is rather slow compared to the disk based units - theoritical maximum is 3MBit/s (note: MBit, not MByte) (2) Because it is slow, but uses DMA, MMC reading yields a lot - once per block |
| 22:18:46 | sharpe | well, i'll be leaving. |
| 22:18:49 | sharpe | bye everyone. |
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| 22:20:48 | hardeep | it's very possible that i've missed a thread-related issue in the playlist code |
| 22:21:08 | hardeep | i'll also check flush/reload in mpeg thread as that gets called when inserting tracks |
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| 22:24:51 | * | petur wants the ability to merge bugreports |
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| 22:40:46 | Aghaster | what fonts support unicode encoding except unifont? |
| 22:40:56 | Aghaster | i need esperanto characters to be displayed |
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| 22:42:06 | german_snail | anyone compared sound quality of original ipod firmware VS rockbox? playing the same file... |
| 22:42:27 | Aghaster | german_snail: well, how can you hear the difference? |
| 22:42:29 | Aghaster | i had both |
| 22:42:39 | Aghaster | rockbox lets you play more formats |
| 22:42:44 | Aghaster | and sound is good |
| 22:42:56 | german_snail | use your ears maybe |
| 22:43:01 | german_snail | well... |
| 22:43:02 | Aghaster | my hear isn't able to notice difference..., well not with hearphones |
| 22:43:27 | Aghaster | but i heard ogg format was better than mp3. i dont think apple firmware supports ogg, so you can have better sound |
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| 22:43:34 | Aghaster | you can also put lossless formats with rockbox |
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| 22:44:08 | german_snail | i can't really comment, they must be of similar qualities... but i just got a new album which i listened to on my hi-fi (great sound), then i played the same album with my ipod with rockbox and it sounded dismal |
| 22:44:21 | Aghaster | ah |
| 22:44:46 | german_snail | (new album, ie. my first listen was with hi-fi) |
| 22:45:13 | german_snail | obviously it's gonna be better, but i didn't expect such a difference :p |
| 22:45:19 | Aghaster | :P |
| 22:45:28 | german_snail | wish i had another ipod with original firmware so i could test for sure |
| 22:45:29 | Aghaster | i really like rockbox |
| 22:45:37 | german_snail | with muh sweet studio headphones |
| 22:45:42 | Aghaster | well, simply reboot in original firmware? |
| 22:46:05 | german_snail | how |
| 22:46:10 | german_snail | i haven't read much yet |
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| 22:46:35 | Aghaster | if you did not remove the original firmware, try pressing menu _as fast as you can_ when it boot |
| 22:46:53 | german_snail | *blink* |
| 22:47:02 | BCMM | where is the manual for installing rockbox on an ipod? the manual doesn't seem to cover the bootloader |
| 22:47:09 | german_snail | so, middle button then menu simultaneously? |
| 22:47:53 | petur | hmmm why does the disk spin when you open the menu? |
| 22:48:16 | german_snail | petur? |
| 22:48:32 | petur | yes? |
| 22:48:54 | german_snail | you talking to me? |
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| 22:49:12 | german_snail | oh |
| 22:49:26 | german_snail | lol |
| 22:49:30 | petur | :) |
| 22:49:30 | german_snail | nevermind |
| 22:49:37 | BCMM | can the ipod bootloader only be installed under Windows? |
| 22:49:43 | Aghaster | BCMM: what OS? |
| 22:49:46 | Aghaster | linux, mac, windows? |
| 22:50:14 | BCMM | Aghaster: i'm using linux, do i have to find a windows box to install the rockbox bootloader on an ipod? |
| 22:50:18 | Aghaster | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 22:50:20 | Aghaster | not at all. |
| 22:50:31 | BCMM | thanks, didn't see that page |
| 22:50:35 | Aghaster | just read the instructions, and it does cover installation of boot loader :) |
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| 22:50:54 | Aghaster | (i did use it and now i enjoy my ipod with rockbox) |
| 22:51:30 | BCMM | why do you have to compile? is that the bootloader of it's installer? |
| 22:52:26 | Aghaster | compile? you do not need to compile |
| 22:52:30 | Aghaster | oh |
| 22:52:31 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 22:52:37 | Aghaster | the small tool is needed |
| 22:52:53 | BCMM | oh ok, i was worried that was the loader rather then it's installer |
| 22:52:55 | Aghaster | its needed to install the boot loader, thats what you need to compile |
| 22:53:01 | BCMM | that's ok |
| 22:53:26 | Aghaster | its the program that will let you extract the original firmware and to install the bootloader |
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| 23:08:15 | BCMM | how do you run the apple firmware from the bootloader? i can't seem to get the key combination right |
| 23:08:36 | flamingcow | hold down menu |
| 23:08:39 | flamingcow | at least, on my nano |
| 23:08:53 | BCMM | hmm, from when? |
| 23:08:58 | flamingcow | right from start |
| 23:08:59 | flamingcow | when it's off |
| 23:09:02 | flamingcow | just press and hold menu |
| 23:09:09 | BCMM | you press select and menu for five secs to reboot, right? |
| 23:09:18 | flamingcow | hold down play for 5 to shut down |
| 23:09:23 | flamingcow | that'll make getting it easier |
| 23:09:30 | BCMM | oh right, shutdown not reboot |
| 23:09:32 | BCMM | thanks a lot |
| 23:09:34 | flamingcow | np |
| 23:09:47 | BCMM | hmmm, not working |
| 23:09:58 | BCMM | so once it's off, just press menu and hold it? |
| 23:10:03 | flamingcow | yup |
| 23:10:04 | BCMM | i get into rockbox that way |
| 23:10:18 | flamingcow | you're holding it all the way through the bootloader? |
| 23:10:26 | BCMM | yeah, from before it's on |
| 23:10:39 | BCMM | ah ok, got it |
| 23:10:49 | BCMM | thanks a lot |
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| 23:17:36 | kkurbjun | amiconn: I tried setting the lcd to standby mode as described in the specs.. I'm still getting black lines sometimes though. do you know if the pcf50605 cuts power to the lcd when it goes into standby mode? |
| 23:17:53 | kkurbjun | when the pcf goes into standby that is |
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