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| 00:01:32 | earHertz | Hello! |
| 00:01:36 | Aghaster | hi |
| 00:01:45 | earHertz | What's the best way to debug rockbox? |
| 00:01:54 | earHertz | that is, run a debugger on it |
| 00:02:17 | Aghaster | hum, i know there's a debug option in it. but it says (keep out!) beside it, so i never touched it ;) |
| 00:02:39 | earHertz | thanks, but I menat to run gdb or something on teh simulator |
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| 00:03:11 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:03:19 | markun | earHertz: gdb on the sim works fine |
| 00:03:43 | earHertz | markun: thanks |
| 00:04:11 | markun | pointing gdb to the rockbox source as well helps |
| 00:04:25 | markun | with -d |
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| 00:07:15 | earHertz | to what, the top-level dire? |
| 00:07:19 | earHertz | dir? |
| 00:07:52 | markun | yes |
| 00:08:04 | markun | Anyway, good night guys |
| 00:08:18 | earHertz | thanks |
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| 00:59:25 | Aghaster | hi |
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| 01:17:38 | Aghaster | can rockbox play videos on ipod 4G color? |
| 01:19:26 | dwihno | no |
| 01:20:11 | german_snail | what's the 'status bar'? |
| 01:20:30 | midkay | amiconn? |
| 01:20:50 | midkay | german_snail, the bar at the top of the LCD that shows battery, volume, playback, repeat, shuffle, clock.. |
| 01:21:13 | Aghaster | ok, and can it play videos on the nano? |
| 01:21:16 | Aghaster | or any other model? |
| 01:21:22 | german_snail | ta |
| 01:21:28 | midkay | only grayscale videos on the archoses with bitmap LCDs.. |
| 01:21:30 | midkay | np |
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| 01:39:15 | Aghaster | will video be implemented in the future? |
| 01:39:35 | midkay | possibly, but it's not a priority. |
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| 01:42:36 | chazman24 | whats up |
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| 01:43:14 | german_snail | use your cellphone for video haha |
| 01:44:09 | german_snail | i don't think i could endure a movie at 320x240 |
| 01:44:36 | midkay | german_snail, on the iPod 5G, movie playback is very clear+watchable.. |
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| 01:48:38 | german_snail | yeah i have one |
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| 01:57:10 | RoC_MM | the trick is |
| 01:57:14 | RoC_MM | 320x240 is full-screen |
| 01:57:16 | RoC_MM | so you don't notice |
| 01:59:17 | ze | 320x240 is pretty close to NTSC and PAL anyway isn't it? |
| 01:59:39 | Aghaster | hum... i think its half ntsc or pal |
| 01:59:48 | Aghaster | isnt it around 640x480? |
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| 02:00:07 | ze | no |
| 02:00:59 | dwihno | midkay: are you using itunes to create the db file? |
| 02:01:45 | german_snail | RoC_MM, don't notice what? |
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| 02:02:58 | german_snail | man i wish there was a wps compiler for pc so i wouldn't have to create a custom wps with the ipod itself |
| 02:03:42 | RoC_MM | 320x240 is sucky for a monitor that supports 1024x768 or whatever |
| 02:03:43 | ze | Aghaster: well, maybe.. maybe i'm just thinking of VCD resolution |
| 02:03:53 | RoC_MM | but 320x240 is full-screen on the ipod video so it doesn't look bad |
| 02:03:59 | RoC_MM | it isn't big, but it doesn't look bad |
| 02:04:21 | Aghaster | yeah, because i just googled it |
| 02:04:51 | Aghaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution |
| 02:04:52 | german_snail | yeah it looks good |
| 02:04:59 | pixelma | german_snail: you can use a simple text editor, even NotePad does |
| 02:05:05 | german_snail | guess i'd only really watch it if i was stuck on an aeroplane though heh |
| 02:05:28 | Aghaster | you are right when talking of vcd |
| 02:05:36 | german_snail | pixelma, yeah, but that means plugging/unplugging usb so many times :/ |
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| 02:07:20 | pixelma | in this case you could try and use a Simulator for your specific device (haven't used it myself) |
| 02:07:56 | german_snail | anyone done that with ipod? |
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| 02:10:12 | pixelma | for example genre9mp3 used it for creating the iCatcher-wps's |
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| 02:11:06 | flang3r | hi everyone, I was going to try rockbox video but the link on the hompage is broken =/ anyone here that has the files for it ^^^? |
| 02:11:45 | dwihno | rockbox video? |
| 02:12:20 | flang3r | yeah, rockbox video file :) |
| 02:12:29 | flang3r | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/rvf.html |
| 02:12:35 | flang3r | rvf files |
| 02:12:48 | dwihno | aah... |
| 02:12:55 | dwihno | aren't there any example files linked from that page? |
| 02:13:18 | dwihno | just to make sure... you _do_ have the ancient archos recorder model with a lcd display? |
| 02:13:50 | flang3r | bah, me = n00b |
| 02:14:00 | flang3r | of course I don't hehe sorry |
| 02:14:07 | flang3r | I can't use it then ? |
| 02:14:15 | dwihno | nope |
| 02:14:22 | flang3r | ok thanks though :) |
| 02:14:26 | dwihno | np. |
| 02:15:14 | flang3r | but do you guys know what happenes if I try it on an iPod ? |
| 02:16:26 | dwihno | the video plugin is not built for the ipod |
| 02:16:32 | dwihno | anyhow, the plugin would not work |
| 02:16:35 | dwihno | as simple as that |
| 02:16:52 | dwihno | I think the video format contains some stuff for sending commands directly to the lcd (I might be wrong on this one) |
| 02:17:11 | german_snail | omfg plasma plugin is so awesome!! |
| 02:17:13 | dwihno | You need to use the apple firmware if you want video playback |
| 02:17:38 | german_snail | i'd watch that on an aeroplane. |
| 02:18:13 | flang3r | ok |
| 02:18:27 | flang3r | hehe :D |
| 02:20:38 | flang3r | would had been pretty amazing what I was going to do heheheh you see, I have an iPod Photo hehe |
| 02:20:59 | flang3r | play video on that for a little worse FPS than ipodvideo = ownage |
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| 02:21:57 | flang3r | that is impossible, right ? |
| 02:22:50 | dwihno | everything is possible until the opposite is proven |
| 02:23:14 | flang3r | nice ^^ |
| 02:23:38 | flang3r | are sourcecodes on rockbox site for plugin ? |
| 02:23:50 | flang3r | for rvf of course |
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| 02:28:04 | flang3r | nevermind, think I found it :) |
| 02:29:44 | Falco98 | JdGordon: i mentioned that bug to hardeep, and he was able to reproduce it using a current official CVS.. so it has nothing to do with the patch luckily :) |
| 02:29:51 | Falco98 | i'll let him worry about it from here on out |
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| 02:34:56 | JdGordon | :) |
| 02:35:01 | * | JdGordon off to uni |
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| 02:43:33 | flang3r | I was wondering, does anyone here have all the files for converting avi video files to rvf ?=) |
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| 02:50:33 | midkay | dwihno, the db file for what? iTunes? for movie playback? |
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| 02:51:31 | dwihno | midkay: the apple fw db browsing file :) |
| 02:51:42 | dwihno | to enable movie playback using stock fw |
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| 02:51:54 | midkay | dwinho, sure, iTunes does it.. i copy videos to my iPod from itunes. :) |
| 02:52:09 | dwihno | ok |
| 02:52:14 | midkay | haven't found anything working nice enough to generate the file anyways other than iTunes, which doesn't bug me either.. |
| 02:52:52 | dwihno | video playback remains to be tested for me ;) |
| 02:53:28 | midkay | oh, so you got one. :) congrats. |
| 02:53:43 | midkay | video playback is excellent, IMO.. very smooth and clear. |
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| 02:54:38 | earHertz | midkay: you can generate with other stuff, but it's a pain |
| 02:54:38 | NHeal | clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 02:54:38 | NJoin | flynux [0] (n=prout@2a01:38:0:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 02:54:55 | midkay | earHertz, i didn't say you couldn't, i said i hadn't found anything reliable, and that i didn't care either way, iTunes doesn't bother me. :) |
| 02:55:14 | earHertz | Some things itunes won't convert. Like realplayer |
| 02:56:03 | midkay | i don't use itunes for converting.. how awful. |
| 02:56:05 | midkay | painfully slow.. |
| 02:56:13 | dwihno | midkay: I guess I'll have to test it some day |
| 02:56:30 | midkay | dwihno, indeed you ought to, if you have any interest in it. :) |
| 02:57:13 | earHertz | anybody us teh vmware debian to compile? |
| 02:58:52 | * | Aghaster is still working on translating rockbox to Esperanto |
| 02:59:24 | Aghaster | i'm approaching 1/3 of it... lol |
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| 03:00:38 | midkay | earHertz, i am.. |
| 03:00:44 | midkay | Aghaster, er. congrats. :) |
| 03:00:53 | Aghaster | :P |
| 03:01:15 | Aghaster | btw, not all fonts support Esperanto characters |
| 03:01:37 | earHertz | Esperanto, isn't that what nerds learn when Klingon seems too mainsteam to them? |
| 03:01:38 | Aghaster | i'd like to add esperanto character support to "snap" font, do you think this can be done? |
| 03:01:48 | earHertz | :) |
| 03:02:09 | Aghaster | lol, Esperanto is more widespread than Klingon :p |
| 03:02:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:02:21 | Aghaster | its the most spoken conlang. |
| 03:02:23 | Aghaster | :P |
| 03:02:58 | earHertz | That's like saying you'rte the sexiest poster on slashdot. it may be true, but it still ain't muxch |
| 03:03:38 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:03:44 | Aghaster | haha |
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| 03:03:58 | Aghaster | well, most people in here are geeks anyway |
| 03:04:18 | Aghaster | we just don't care about the fact we're geeks, we just are geeks. |
| 03:04:43 | Aghaster | :P |
| 03:05:31 | earHertz | :) |
| 03:05:32 | Aghaster | markun is interested by my translation |
| 03:05:36 | Aghaster | he speaks Esperanto too |
| 03:05:48 | earHertz | get a room ;) |
| 03:05:54 | Aghaster | lol |
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| 03:09:01 | Aghaster | lol, earHertz, look what I said, we're all geeks XD. "Paul_The_Nerd" |
| 03:09:16 | earHertz | He's a nerd. Not a geek |
| 03:09:19 | earHertz | ;) |
| 03:09:35 | Aghaster | :P |
| 03:09:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a fairly major difference, especially in the etymology of the terms |
| 03:09:50 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 03:09:55 | Aghaster | well, you consider yourself a nerd |
| 03:10:00 | Aghaster | and i consider myself a geek. |
| 03:10:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
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| 03:10:54 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 03:11:00 | Aghaster | LOL |
| 03:11:05 | Llorean | I'm tired of the confusion |
| 03:11:14 | Aghaster | Trivia question: Do you know what is Esperanto? |
| 03:11:17 | Llorean | I'm this in the forums, I may as well openly be me here now |
| 03:11:49 | Llorean | Esperanto is a language native to no individual country, designed with the intent of being the "ultimate" language, or at least easy to learn, and suitable for worldwide use, no? |
| 03:11:58 | Aghaster | good answer |
| 03:12:01 | Aghaster | :) |
| 03:12:34 | Aghaster | well, i'm currently working on the Esperanto translation lol |
| 03:12:40 | dj-fu | I've never heard of that. |
| 03:12:43 | dj-fu | is it a sexy language? |
| 03:13:02 | Aghaster | hum, maybe not |
| 03:13:04 | Aghaster | its a conlang |
| 03:13:11 | dj-fu | oh |
| 03:13:26 | dj-fu | based on anything in particular? |
| 03:13:41 | Aghaster | if "Mi volas fiki kun vi" is sexy, then it is. |
| 03:13:54 | Aghaster | its based off latin and indo-european languages |
| 03:17:20 | Llorean | lostlogic: You around? |
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| 03:27:40 | kiji | hello i got a problem to download a music from the internet, the website can't download with the accelelator even if i do, have the software like internet download manager, but the web disallow to use this, do you all know how to get this music with another application, not just from the windows cause it's so bored to wait for just one music |
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| 03:28:09 | dj-fu | This is a channel for Rockbox discussion |
| 03:28:13 | dj-fu | not illegal music warez downloading. |
| 03:28:16 | berryz | hello ^_^ |
| 03:28:21 | dj-fu | Hi. |
| 03:28:45 | dj-fu | kiji: I don't believe warez discussion is permitted on Freenode |
| 03:28:50 | berryz | umm... i got a question |
| 03:29:01 | kiji | but i got this channel from the internet to get more information for anything like this |
| 03:29:06 | midkay | berryz, you don't need to ask if you can ask a question, just go ahead and ask. |
| 03:29:14 | Llorean | kiji: Well, the internet was wrong. |
| 03:29:21 | dj-fu | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#unlawful |
| 03:29:47 | kiji | oh sorry for that , but do you know for another channel or internet to get it? |
| 03:29:52 | dj-fu | google.com |
| 03:29:55 | dj-fu | don't let the door hit you |
| 03:30:22 | kiji | i try, but i can't find it cause there are so much web to discover |
| 03:30:33 | berryz | well.... i looked around on the website... but i couldnt quite make it out.... is there gonna be a rockbox for the h10? |
| 03:30:51 | midkay | berryz, there isn't now, but anything is possible ;) |
| 03:31:01 | midkay | probably not soon if at all.. |
| 03:31:06 | dj-fu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus |
| 03:31:13 | dj-fu | not according to that, anyway |
| 03:31:19 | kiji | what is that? |
| 03:31:47 | midkay | dj-fu, not what according to that? |
| 03:32:01 | dj-fu | no h10 port, according to that page on the wiki |
| 03:32:13 | dj-fu | The H10 is mostly the iPod mini with some part's of the H3XX. The major work is the LCD, Power handling, and Button driver. See iRiver H10 Info. |
| 03:32:24 | dj-fu | see here, berryz - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Info |
| 03:32:25 | Llorean | berryz: It's entirely possible for one to happen, and the _main_ stopping point is getting the firmware on there. The bootloader itself has the potential to brick it, and nobody owns one, and the proper tools the recover it if/when they fail to make a proper bootloader, to do the work. Some programmer out there with an H10, and the money to buy the thing, JTAG interface was it, needs to do that step. |
| 03:32:38 | midkay | right, so it's probably quite doable, but probably not going to happen next week.. |
| 03:33:07 | dj-fu | bricking things is good |
| 03:33:08 | dj-fu | lol |
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| 03:33:24 | Llorean | People are _still_ saying sound quality on Rockbox is worse than the retail firmware. These crazy people and their SRS WOW, I suppose. |
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| 03:33:42 | berryz | i think the SRS WOW runs down the battery faster... |
| 03:33:48 | Llorean | It does. |
| 03:33:54 | Llorean | But then so does our equalizer. |
| 03:34:08 | Aghaster | whats SRS WOW? |
| 03:34:36 | Aghaster | lol |
| 03:34:40 | Llorean | It's a filter effect. |
| 03:34:41 | dj-fu | crazy people, lol. |
| 03:34:42 | Aghaster | ok |
| 03:34:45 | dj-fu | Crossfeed >* |
| 03:34:51 | Llorean | Nothing like crossfeed |
| 03:34:54 | Aghaster | ah, crossfeed |
| 03:35:03 | Llorean | It's more like stereo width increase, plus a bass boost, and a few other subtler things |
| 03:35:05 | Aghaster | had a hard time trying to translate that word. |
| 03:35:33 | dj-fu | hrm, don't alot of pc chipsets have srs wow? |
| 03:36:05 | Llorean | Not that I know of. |
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| 03:43:22 | Falco98 | wait.. paul_the_nerd == Llorean? |
| 03:43:24 | * | Falco98 goggles |
| 03:43:27 | Llorean | Yes |
| 03:43:44 | Falco98 | [i've been reading, sorry for the retarded reaction time :-P] |
| 03:43:50 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 03:44:04 | Llorean | I signed up for the forums as Llorean |
| 03:44:11 | Llorean | I'd been Paul_the_Nerd on freenode before |
| 03:44:17 | Falco98 | gotcha |
| 03:46:50 | Llorean | I enjoyed the lack of association between my names here and there for a little while, then one day someone said "Hey, there's this guy in the forums who seems to know way too much to not ever be around here." :) |
| 03:46:59 | Mikachu | Llorean: i guess you know about nickserv link |
| 03:47:33 | Llorean | I do now. :) |
| 03:48:32 | Llorean | Since I don't usually need to deal with services anyway, it's not a big deal. |
| 03:51:45 | Falco98 | haha |
| 03:52:37 | Falco98 | so the one thing i'm curious about is, whose decision is it, ultimately, to decide what new additions, patches, etc, get into cvs? |
| 03:52:58 | Llorean | Anyone with commit access. |
| 03:53:01 | Falco98 | (something little such as my "shuffle + trackskip" patch, let's say..) |
| 03:53:34 | Falco98 | how many people in general have that level? |
| 03:53:43 | Llorean | I really don't know. |
| 03:54:18 | Falco98 | ok :-P |
| 03:54:19 | midkay | Falco98, either way, no new features go into CVS until 3.0 is released.. |
| 03:54:26 | Falco98 | yeah i figured that |
| 03:54:31 | Mikachu | Falco98: look at the frontpage and try to remember the names you see there :) |
| 03:54:33 | Llorean | Generally if it's something there's the possibility of objections to, it'll be discussed here first. If it's just a bugfix, plugin, or something deemed as needed, if the dev feels the patch is ready he'll often just add it. |
| 03:54:42 | Falco98 | ooh: another thing.. how could i get "modify own" on Flyspray? |
| 03:55:20 | Llorean | I think that allows you to set its priority, unclose it, and so on. |
| 03:55:28 | Llorean | Did you need something changed? |
| 03:55:52 | Falco98 | i did a few days ago, and someone did the changing for me, but i was more curious just in general |
| 03:55:54 | * | midkay sighed |
| 03:55:59 | midkay | -ed+s. |
| 03:56:00 | midkay | wtf. |
| 03:56:07 | Llorean | Why the sigh? |
| 03:56:14 | * | midkay is trying to get Xobox running on the archos recorders in grayscale.. |
| 03:56:15 | Falco98 | it'd be nice to have control over my own FR/patches |
| 03:56:29 | midkay | works, but not fully and quite glitchy.. /me needs amiconn :) |
| 03:57:36 | Llorean | Falco98: The problem is, the ability to modify your won tasks would give you too much control over them from the looks of it. There needs to be a limited modify permission, I suppose. |
| 03:59:10 | Falco98 | yeah.. i mean, i don't necessarily need the access level that would allow me to edit other peoples' comments to turn them into death threats or anything, but OTOH it might be nice to trim out some of the fat of an original FR after a patch has been written, or change a FR into a patch, etc |
| 03:59:12 | Mikachu | most bugzillas let any user modify any bug, they usually don't have any problems |
| 03:59:23 | | Quit Aghaster ("Leaving") |
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| 04:00:05 | midkay | yeah, weird that users can't even edit their own.. |
| 04:00:21 | midkay | i mean, maybe restrict them from the priority/"due in"/assigned to fields and stuff.. |
| 04:00:30 | midkay | but at least the description and category and type.. |
| 04:00:31 | * | Falco98 nods |
| 04:00:40 | Llorean | midkay: I think it's that editing your own means full control over it, which means you could change the priority, assignment, due, etc back any time someone else changed it down. |
| 04:00:50 | * | midkay shrugs |
| 04:00:54 | Llorean | I agree they should be able to change _most_ of the things |
| 04:00:55 | midkay | SourceForge let you do that.. |
| 04:01:12 | midkay | nobody seemed to fight back, and if anyone did they could simply have it deleted and/or the user could be banned. |
| 04:01:33 | Llorean | yeah, I guess it'd be better to trust users. |
| 04:01:46 | midkay | right, you could do a lot more with the wiki for example.. |
| 04:02:05 | Llorean | I'm just used to the people in the forums. "The core developers have said that X feature is working the way it is intended to, and they do not feel like changing it." Six pages of unhappy comments later, repeat. |
| 04:02:05 | midkay | better trust + stop the few abusers than distrust + restrict everyone, i think. |
| 04:02:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:02:17 | midkay | yeah. |
| 04:02:54 | Mikachu | forums attract stupid people for some reason, i try to stay away from them |
| 04:03:10 | Llorean | Yeah. I would too, but I fear that if I did, they'd overflow into someplace more dangerous |
| 04:03:11 | dj-fu | that's so true |
| 04:03:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:03:35 | Llorean | At least at the moment, with a little careful question asking, I can mange to extract usable bug reports from some of 'em. |
| 04:04:00 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 04:04:08 | midkay | that's a rarity, isn't it.. :) |
| 04:04:14 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 04:04:18 | Falco98 | "my ipod isn't working! what's wrong??" |
| 04:04:42 | midkay | "dunno, you tell us.. what's happening?" "rockbox says 'dir buffer full'! what do i do?!" :) |
| 04:04:44 | * | Falco98 goes back thru the forums to find how many topics started (and ended) with that exact sentence... |
| 04:04:46 | Llorean | midkay: Actually, with the right questions you can get something in most cases. |
| 04:04:58 | midkay | Llorean, surprising :) |
| 04:05:12 | Llorean | Though I don't know how many times I've had to say "Yes, that's very interesting, but of the 7 questions I asked you, it answers none of them." |
| 04:05:22 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:05:34 | Falco98 | heh |
| 04:06:01 | Falco98 | that reminds me of how i'll send my boss an e-mail with 5 or 6 specific, unrelated questions, and he'll answer the first in a one-word reply, and that's it... |
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| 04:06:41 | Llorean | And then you get guys like the fellow who was in here: "Is the path exactly X:\Games\Doom" "Yes" "Could you copy and paste it here?" "F:\Games\Doom" "You're not copying and pasting it from the explorer bar. I know this because I know your path isn't exactly that." "Okay, F:\5. Games\Doom" "See, and what confused you about the word 'exact'?" |
| 04:07:04 | Llorean | Falco98: That's about as common. One yes/no or single word answer, all but one questions ignored. |
| 04:07:12 | Falco98 | hehe |
| 04:07:25 | midkay | haha. i hate that. |
| 04:08:10 | midkay | "did you try restarting your device? reinstalling rockbox? was it fixed after you cleared out the .rockbox folder? did rebuilding tagcache fix the problem?" "yes" |
| 04:09:02 | midkay | good lord, xobox gets hard.. |
| 04:09:13 | midkay | DAMN. |
| 04:09:17 | midkay | died at level six. :( |
| 04:09:19 | midkay | at like 74%. |
| 04:09:28 | Mikachu | i made some changes that i thought made sense but apparently they don't |
| 04:09:37 | midkay | to what, Mikachu? |
| 04:09:42 | Mikachu | yes |
| 04:09:46 | Mikachu | ;) to xobox |
| 04:09:49 | midkay | what changes? |
| 04:11:01 | Falco98 | hmm |
| 04:11:07 | * | Falco98 wonders aloud what xobox is |
| 04:11:08 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-xobox_updates.patch |
| 04:11:17 | Mikachu | (comments on @@ lines) |
| 04:11:18 | midkay | Falco98, a Rockbox game.. |
| 04:11:24 | Mikachu | it makes the game a bit easier :) |
| 04:11:26 | Falco98 | yeah... |
| 04:11:33 | Mikachu | and also removes the possibility for a cheat |
| 04:11:39 | Mikachu | so i guess that makes it harder :P |
| 04:11:40 | midkay | Mikachu, what does it do exactly? |
| 04:11:44 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:11:53 | Falco98 | oh −− another question.. where does one get the "full assortment" of previously-included themes, etc, now that they aren't included in the dailies? |
| 04:12:12 | Mikachu | @@ -637,12 +649,19 @@ static inline void move_board (void), die if you hit your own trail, stop if hitting a boundary from filled to empty. |
| 04:12:26 | Mikachu | in stock xobox, you can go forward 1 square, then back again |
| 04:12:28 | Mikachu | and it will fill |
| 04:12:37 | Mikachu | what it does in every other clones i tried is kill you |
| 04:12:40 | midkay | oh, weird, it had only loaded like the first 20 lines.. |
| 04:12:52 | Llorean | Falco98: They're all in CVS still |
| 04:12:53 | Mikachu | ie if you run into your own trail you should die |
| 04:13:02 | Mikachu | at least i think he didn't apply it |
| 04:13:03 | * | Mikachu checks |
| 04:13:04 | Falco98 | ahh, ok |
| 04:13:19 | Llorean | Falco98: It used to be "All ones that are small enough to fit, or smaller are included" now it's "All that fit exactly" so generally you shouldn't want the ones left out anyway |
| 04:13:20 | midkay | i haven't seen it in cvs, no.. |
| 04:13:27 | Mikachu | hm maybe he did after all :) |
| 04:13:33 | Mikachu | doh |
| 04:13:33 | midkay | Mikachu, really? |
| 04:13:37 | Mikachu | i am looking at my own tree |
| 04:13:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:13:42 | Mikachu | <- 4am |
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| 04:13:51 | Falco98 | i was just wondering how someone would find iAmp, since it's not on the WpsGallery page |
| 04:13:53 | Falco98 | :-P |
| 04:14:05 | midkay | ah, it's in cvs. |
| 04:14:08 | midkay | at least partially.. |
| 04:14:09 | Falco98 | k |
| 04:14:14 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/xobox.c?r1=1.2&r2=1.3 |
| 04:14:33 | midkay | Falco98, by 'it's in cvs' i mean mikachu's xobox changes. |
| 04:14:48 | Mikachu | i know he didn't grab all of it at least |
| 04:14:50 | Falco98 | ahh whoops |
| 04:14:51 | midkay | Mikachu, i want to add life pickups. :) |
| 04:15:00 | Mikachu | heh |
| 04:15:19 | midkay | how do you feel about that, sir? |
| 04:16:13 | Mikachu | now i remember what he didn't add |
| 04:16:23 | midkay | the hitting-trail bit? |
| 04:16:25 | Mikachu | stopping when you reach a fill->empty boundary |
| 04:16:32 | midkay | i rather remember going through my own trail... |
| 04:16:48 | midkay | Mikachu, can you clarify that? fill->empty boundary? |
| 04:16:52 | Mikachu | the cvs server seems to not like me at the moment |
| 04:17:09 | Mikachu | if you are in a big green area, and move towards a black one, my change would make you stop before you enter the black |
| 04:17:11 | midkay | i can go through my own trail, i just tried it. |
| 04:17:22 | midkay | oh, i'd like that. |
| 04:17:29 | midkay | somewhat annoying how it goes straight through.. |
| 04:17:35 | midkay | have to time it just right. |
| 04:17:41 | | Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") |
| 04:17:59 | Mikachu | yeah, while the game should require some skill with the buttons, i don't think that part feels good |
| 04:18:36 | midkay | especially how even just halfway to the last level, you need some serious skill.. |
| 04:18:43 | midkay | especially especially without bonus lives and stuff. |
| 04:18:50 | Llorean | Yeah, you shouldn't have to guess how long it takes to get from the edge of the screen to the actual box. |
| 04:19:29 | * | midkay 's eyes dart around for devs |
| 04:19:41 | midkay | psst.. i could slip that change into cvs.. |
| 04:19:41 | midkay | :) |
| 04:20:00 | Mikachu | for some reason cvs up works fine, but cvs diff just sits there staring at the wall |
| 04:20:05 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:20:10 | midkay | hm. |
| 04:20:19 | midkay | i'd like to change the teal color. |
| 04:20:24 | midkay | i don't like it. |
| 04:20:33 | Mikachu | feh, i'll just link my xobox.c to public_html meanwhile |
| 04:20:44 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/xobox.c |
| 04:20:47 | midkay | too weird. |
| 04:20:48 | Mikachu | you diff it :) |
| 04:20:56 | midkay | diff WHAT?!?!?! |
| 04:20:56 | midkay | :) |
| 04:21:07 | Mikachu | iT!!!!1 |
| 04:21:31 | midkay | HOW. HOW. HOWEKLw. HELP.1!@! |
| 04:21:46 | Mikachu | ask Llorean |
| 04:21:55 | midkay | heeeeeeeeeeelll naw. |
| 04:22:19 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 04:23:10 | * | midkay organizes a vote for CLR_CYAN change from awful ugly teal/turquoise to lovely, standard, rockbox default background color: light blue. |
| 04:23:25 | Mikachu | then it wouldn't be cyan... |
| 04:23:36 | Llorean | CLR_NOTCYAN in the future. |
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| 04:23:37 | Mikachu | let's make it depend on the time of day too |
| 04:23:41 | midkay | Llorean, haha. |
| 04:23:55 | Llorean | Oooh... time of day from Sky Blue to Midnight Blue. |
| 04:23:57 | midkay | CLR_WASCYANNOWLIGHTISHROCKBOXDEFAULTBLUE. |
| 04:24:14 | Llorean | Peak at noon and midnight, midpoints at 6es. Not necessarily accurate, but the lazy way out. |
| 04:24:34 | midkay | that sounds, ah, pretty, ah, uh, stupid actually. :) |
| 04:25:01 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 04:25:02 | midkay | well. actuellement.. |
| 04:25:12 | midkay | j'aime. j'adore! |
| 04:25:17 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 04:25:21 | Mikachu | let's make the hilight bar in menus pick a random color on every scroll too |
| 04:25:31 | midkay | Mikachu, hahaha, awesome. |
| 04:25:55 | midkay | only if we can give the colors foreground: BRIGHT green, background BRIGHT red a priority.. |
| 04:26:13 | midkay | we do, after all, want plenty of "my eyes are bleeding" lawsuits. |
| 04:26:40 | Llorean | As many as possible! |
| 04:26:53 | midkay | yes. like. from every user possible. |
| 04:27:07 | Llorean | Twice per! |
| 04:27:07 | midkay | Mikachu, i'd be quite happy to really commit that stop-on-edge patch if i had a diff. :( |
| 04:27:10 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:27:20 | Mikachu | midkay: were you serious about the how stuff? |
| 04:27:22 | midkay | and slap LinusN and bagder with the fines. |
| 04:27:35 | midkay | Mikachu, sorta, but i don't really wanna do it!!! DOn't MAKE ME DO it.a :( |
| 04:28:08 | Mikachu | diff -pud xobox.c.cvs xobox.c.mikachu > awesome.patch |
| 04:30:05 | midkay | -pud is short for -pudding, or...? |
| 04:30:29 | * | midkay is checking out fresh cvs because he doesn't want to screw with his existing xobox.c Archos port! :D |
| 04:31:15 | earHertz | quick poll for ipod users: how do you use the scroll wheel? do you do a complete 360 rotation, or do you scroll part-way around the circle, then lift your finger, and and replace it where your scroll started? |
| 04:31:33 | RoC_MM | mostly I don't lift until I'm where I need to be |
| 04:31:54 | Mikachu | i rarely need to scroll that far.. |
| 04:32:03 | RoC_MM | My brother likes that if you hit the end of a list, and lift and then scroll down, it will goto the beginning, he says it saves time |
| 04:32:09 | Mikachu | doing full 360 rotations will kill your thumb pretty quickly |
| 04:32:16 | earHertz | RoC_MM: ye, it does |
| 04:32:17 | midkay | earHertz, full 360, unless i need to release, e.g. for end-of-list |
| 04:32:19 | RoC_MM | That's why I have two Mikachu |
| 04:32:28 | Llorean | earHertz: Full rotations |
| 04:32:32 | midkay | circle is much nicer than turn lift turn lift turn lift.. |
| 04:32:40 | midkay | and quicker. |
| 04:32:41 | Mikachu | midkay: -u is unified, -p puts the containing functions at the end of the @@ lines and -d tries to make the diff smaller |
| 04:32:56 | Mikachu | my biggest dir has 44 files in it |
| 04:33:03 | Llorean | p is only useful for human readers, right? |
| 04:33:14 | Mikachu | yes |
| 04:33:44 | earHertz | Mikachu: you never scroll through all tracks or all albums (8500 and 537 for me, respectively) |
| 04:33:50 | Mikachu | i think i do full rotations too sometimes |
| 04:33:56 | Mikachu | earHertz: like i said, my biggest dir has 44 files |
| 04:34:30 | earHertz | Mikachu: try out the id3 cache. It's justy like the apple ipod interface |
| 04:34:39 | Mikachu | i know, that's why i don't use it |
| 04:35:02 | Mikachu | i don't even have it compiled it *hides* |
| 04:38:11 | Mikachu | s/it/in/2 |
| 04:39:38 | * | midkay slaps mikachu. |
| 04:39:48 | Jd|uni | hey all |
| 04:39:49 | Jd|uni | any1 know html? |
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| 04:40:44 | Mikachu | i know <br> |
| 04:40:55 | midkay | i know <head> and <html> |
| 04:41:08 | midkay | with our combined knowledge, we could have a page full of line breaks. |
| 04:41:09 | Jd|uni | what about formas? |
| 04:41:17 | midkay | imagine des possibilites. |
| 04:41:20 | Jd|uni | forms* |
| 04:41:20 | Mikachu | i know forms are evil |
| 04:44:08 | midkay | anyone with a standard xobox build available to test something really quick? |
| 04:44:19 | * | Jd|uni can |
| 04:44:45 | midkay | actually, i'm pretty sure i'm right - can you try moving in some direction, and then pressing the opposite direction on the keypad? e.g. going back the way you came.. |
| 04:44:56 | midkay | with Mikachu's patch, that kills you. i'm 90% sure it didn't before.. |
| 04:45:05 | Jd|uni | ye, it doesnt |
| 04:45:07 | Jd|uni | it shuold tho |
| 04:45:18 | midkay | ah, that's the "die when you eat your trail" thing.. |
| 04:45:34 | Jd|uni | wtf?? i just quicka nd the screen has gone blaxck... |
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| 04:45:44 | midkay | well, i wouldn't mind it so much if it was explicitly eating your trail, but i think just when you're moving along and you press the other direction, it shouldn't hurt you, it should just have no effect.. |
| 04:45:45 | Jd|uni | but music i still playing |
| 04:45:54 | midkay | Jd|uni, weird.. |
| 04:46:42 | Jd|uni | yup.. it didnt crash.. it just turned the screen off... |
| 04:46:50 | Jd|uni | or sometihng.. i could manually shutdown |
| 04:47:10 | Jd|uni | very reproducable.. just did it again |
| 04:47:11 | midkay | in fact i think a cool mode would be to be able to go back on your trail only when you follow it exactly.. |
| 04:47:24 | midkay | e.g. go down, go back up = alright, but go down, left, up, right, crash into yourself = die. |
| 04:47:54 | midkay | down and back up is a tactic i use all the time. :) |
| 04:48:01 | midkay | on the tough levels.. |
| 04:48:17 | midkay | this kind of requires you to go all the way across or be very very quick in spinning around.. |
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| 04:52:07 | Jd|uni | grr.. me ghates regexp... how do i check to make sure a sting only has numbers and () ? |
| 04:55:13 | Jd|uni | grr.. of to my lecture |
| 04:55:17 | Jd|uni | cyaz later |
| 04:55:22 | midkay | laters Jd|uni |
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| 04:56:50 | flamingcow | /^[0123456789\(\)]$/ |
| 04:56:53 | flamingcow | in case he comes back :) |
| 04:57:04 | flamingcow | umm |
| 04:57:09 | flamingcow | /^[0123456789\(\)]*$/ |
| 04:57:36 | midkay | Mikachu? |
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| 05:05:10 | TechGuru | anyone awake |
| 05:05:13 | midkay | yep |
| 05:05:34 | TechGuru | can u send me the booy loader..can't find it on google |
| 05:05:44 | TechGuru | bootloader |
| 05:05:45 | midkay | that's pretty ambiguous... |
| 05:05:50 | midkay | boot loader for.. what? |
| 05:06:02 | TechGuru | rockbox |
| 05:06:09 | midkay | um, model? |
| 05:06:12 | midkay | they're all different, you know.. |
| 05:06:14 | TechGuru | ipod video |
| 05:06:24 | midkay | it's attached to the IpodInstallation page. |
| 05:06:25 | TechGuru | 30 gig model |
| 05:07:32 | TechGuru | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060522.zip .. |
| 05:07:41 | TechGuru | ? |
| 05:07:44 | TechGuru | that |
| 05:07:47 | midkay | .. the IpodInstallation page.. |
| 05:07:51 | midkay | are you reading the instructions? |
| 05:07:56 | TechGuru | yea |
| 05:08:02 | midkay | where from? |
| 05:08:08 | TechGuru | the pdf |
| 05:08:26 | midkay | use this instead: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 05:09:00 | TechGuru | thanx |
| 05:09:04 | midkay | np |
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| 05:12:44 | earHertz | this is so bizarre: I'm using cygwin to run unzip to unzip a zip on the virtual debian machine and copy to the ipod |
| 05:13:06 | midkay | why? |
| 05:13:20 | earHertz | the virtual debian is samba'd so it's a network drive of teh host windows |
| 05:13:30 | midkay | yes... |
| 05:13:38 | midkay | why not just access the zip with windows? |
| 05:13:47 | earHertz | Becasuase compilng is MUCH faster on teh virtual debian machine than using cygwin, teh virtual layer |
| 05:14:05 | earHertz | because I prefer to use unzip from the command line |
| 05:15:04 | midkay | well, then, whatever floats your boat :) |
| 05:16:08 | earHertz | somehting is wrong −− the debian compile doesn't load on the ipod |
| 05:16:36 | midkay | dotDotDot |
| 05:16:38 | midkay | works for me.. |
| 05:17:35 | earHertz | you ue the debian vm? |
| 05:17:41 | midkay | yes |
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| 05:19:53 | midkay | blast.. Mikachu went to bed. |
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| 05:46:33 | macdonalder | just before I get too far ahead of myself, the cross-compiling instructions on rockbox.org are still accurate? |
| 05:46:58 | midkay | yes |
| 05:47:19 | macdonalder | sweet, ty :D |
| 05:47:25 | midkay | np, good luck :) |
| 05:47:51 | macdonalder | heh thanks... I've done this once already and it worked nicely... let's see if lighning strikes twice ;D |
| 05:48:11 | midkay | haha. should be no prob then :) |
| 05:48:58 | macdonalder | I don't suppose you know if any progress has been made with the 3G port in the last month or two do you? |
| 05:49:49 | midkay | not much, no.. |
| 05:49:59 | macdonalder | mm k |
| 05:50:07 | midkay | i don't think it's too far from being usable, not sure what's holding it up. |
| 05:50:48 | macdonalder | cool yeah, I'm out of school for the summer so I'd figure I'd help if I could |
| 05:50:57 | midkay | good to hear, got a 3G then? |
| 05:51:03 | macdonalder | do I ever |
| 05:51:09 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 05:51:54 | * | macdonalder hopes to be listening to FLAC on his aging iPod sometime before it expires |
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| 05:51:55 | macdonalder | ;) |
| 05:52:10 | RoC_MM | flac works |
| 05:52:22 | RoC_MM | 4g grey /5G fine |
| 05:52:27 | midkay | not on the 3G, RoC_MM. |
| 05:52:30 | macdonalder | <- 3G :D |
| 05:52:33 | midkay | which is the problem, 3G doesn't run.. |
| 05:52:38 | RoC_MM | ahh |
| 05:52:43 | RoC_MM | yes 3g is not so hot |
| 05:52:46 | RoC_MM | i have a 3g too |
| 05:52:50 | RoC_MM | going to sell it soon |
| 05:52:55 | Llorean | If I recall 3G doesn't have playback, but you can browse? |
| 05:52:55 | midkay | :o |
| 05:52:58 | Llorean | Or am I mistaken? |
| 05:53:13 | midkay | Llorean, i'm not sure of the 3G's status exactly, i'm not so sure it even runs.. |
| 05:53:14 | macdonalder | yeah, last I built it it ran, but I couldn't play anything |
| 05:53:27 | macdonalder | but that was at least a month ago |
| 05:53:47 | Llorean | If its status has changed, it's accidental from work done in other parts then |
| 05:53:48 | RoC_MM | no 3g coder though? |
| 05:53:53 | RoC_MM | yeah |
| 05:54:08 | Llorean | With the feature freeze, even if there _was_ a 3G coder, things shouldn't be committed for it. |
| 05:54:26 | Llorean | At least not if theres any chance they'd affect the release targets due to any possible mistakes. |
| 05:55:01 | macdonalder | hrmmm |
| 05:55:15 | macdonalder | well I'm not working from cvs quite yet ;D |
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| 06:07:22 | Apostle^ | my nano HD seems to have an error, will formatting it with the apple utility fix it? |
| 06:07:31 | Apostle^ | linux tells me the error is in the FAT file cluster or something |
| 06:07:46 | BHSPitMonkey | nano's don't have HD's |
| 06:08:08 | BHSPitMonkey | a restore should heal that... |
| 06:08:14 | Apostle^ | how do i restore? |
| 06:08:23 | BHSPitMonkey | I've dealt with those before, dang bad file transfers |
| 06:08:23 | Apostle^ | you are right it is flash memory |
| 06:08:29 | Apostle^ | yea a transfer failed |
| 06:08:30 | BHSPitMonkey | use the apple utility |
| 06:08:37 | Apostle^ | gotta go to friends house |
| 06:08:42 | Apostle^ | so just do restore, not format? |
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| 06:08:48 | BHSPitMonkey | the same program that you use to update |
| 06:08:53 | BHSPitMonkey | click on Restore |
| 06:09:01 | BHSPitMonkey | that completely restores it to its original state. |
| 06:09:12 | Apostle^ | i see |
| 06:09:15 | Apostle^ | then i can reinstall rockbox? |
| 06:09:27 | BHSPitMonkey | sure |
| 06:09:36 | Apostle^ | nice. |
| 06:09:41 | Apostle^ | ;-) |
| 06:09:43 | BHSPitMonkey | you'll have to completely reinstall, though |
| 06:09:47 | Apostle^ | eh it's not hard |
| 06:09:51 | Apostle^ | a 10 minute process |
| 06:09:57 | BHSPitMonkey | you -could- back up the main files from the FAT partition, and format it |
| 06:10:01 | Jeffimix | simple question, anyone on right now using rockbox on a 1st gen ipod mini and if so, what version of rockbox, I have the newest CVS and it just sits there with the graphical boot screen, doesn't load, "Help I'm a Rock!" |
| 06:10:03 | BHSPitMonkey | and recopy them |
| 06:10:38 | Apostle^ | how do i do that? |
| 06:10:43 | BHSPitMonkey | Jeffimix: the mini port isn't very mature, so you know |
| 06:11:11 | Jeffimix | I know, I'm just wondering if anyone has better luck with a different version |
| 06:11:24 | BHSPitMonkey | Apostle^: meh, might as well do a restore, you seem to know what you're doing as far as re-installation. |
| 06:11:36 | Jeffimix | I'm not about to say 'fix it' unless I had some money to give you guys |
| 06:11:50 | BHSPitMonkey | latest version is customarily the best way to go |
| 06:11:52 | Jeffimix | the firmware runs fine at least |
| 06:12:12 | Apostle^ | BHSPitMonkey, yea, the install was easy i got it right the first time |
| 06:12:25 | Apostle^ | very good guide written for it |
| 06:12:31 | Jeffimix | you know... it's scary but your online .pdf manual is bigger than the one I got with my iPod |
| 06:13:00 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 06:13:18 | Jeffimix | I might just backtrack a version or two and see if that works, other people seem to have it running |
| 06:13:22 | BHSPitMonkey | Jeffimix: well, obviously... we have WAY more to offer than the original iPod does :P |
| 06:13:35 | macdonalder | heh |
| 06:13:53 | Jeffimix | well between this and getting it a new battery I think I'm gonna make my linux laptop and my ipod much happier |
| 06:14:57 | BHSPitMonkey | if you dig linux, give it a shot on the iPod :) |
| 06:15:04 | Jeffimix | heh |
| 06:15:17 | BHSPitMonkey | it's more settled down on the mini than rockbox is at this point |
| 06:15:18 | Jeffimix | I don't get 'hot and bothered' about having bash under my click-wheel |
| 06:15:36 | BHSPitMonkey | heh, a person doesn't customarily use a terminal on the iPod :P |
| 06:16:00 | macdonalder | that's not to say it's unwanted though :p |
| 06:16:03 | Jeffimix | although that' be a 'novel' way to add a new screen for error messages |
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| 06:16:41 | BHSPitMonkey | heh, an external LCD for the lappy? |
| 06:17:13 | BHSPitMonkey | sounds like a neat gimmick of an idea, if only we had communications on the things mastered |
| 06:17:16 | Jeffimix | yeah haha |
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| 06:18:12 | Jeffimix | gah next on my list of OS changes is going back to a slackware derivative instead of Suse 10.1 ..... suse is .... too much like windows |
| 06:18:40 | Jeffimix | but that's neither here nor there |
| 06:19:04 | * | dj-fu waves from gentoo lan |
| 06:19:08 | dj-fu | s/lan/land/g |
| 06:19:13 | BHSPitMonkey | a windows resemblance can likely be blamed on KDE usage... |
| 06:19:28 | dj-fu | mhmm. gnome>kde. |
| 06:20:06 | Jeffimix | yeah I'm using Gnome but still.... the whole auto-launching of banshee when I plug in my iPod is eerily reminiscent of how iTunes works.... |
| 06:20:07 | BHSPitMonkey | I guess. still looking for my "right" linux desktop |
| 06:20:58 | Apostle^ | ubuntu with gnome is great |
| 06:21:03 | Apostle^ | ubuntu with anything lol |
| 06:21:33 | macdonalder | I don't mind fedora that much |
| 06:21:46 | Jeffimix | yeah... I like to try and make linux match me perfectly, plus it gives me reasons to play with my laptop like the toy I wish it to be |
| 06:21:51 | BHSPitMonkey | I just installed ubuntu |
| 06:22:02 | dj-fu | yech, ubuntu is horrible |
| 06:22:05 | dj-fu | try a real mans linux, gentoo |
| 06:22:08 | BHSPitMonkey | it's not all I expected it to be from the raving. |
| 06:22:20 | BHSPitMonkey | I'm def. not prepared for gentoo :P |
| 06:22:20 | dj-fu | the whole "linux that works" layer on ubuntu is nothing new |
| 06:22:27 | dj-fu | hald/dbus & pmount have been around for a while |
| 06:22:54 | dj-fu | eh, I prepared myself by burning the cd, had no idea. printed out the handbook too |
| 06:23:02 | BHSPitMonkey | nice |
| 06:23:16 | BHSPitMonkey | gentoo handbook.. sounds like quite an ink/paper expenditure |
| 06:23:24 | dj-fu | @work, of course. |
| 06:23:34 | BHSPitMonkey | ah, haha |
| 06:23:37 | dj-fu | I don't have that kind of ink/paper lying around :P |
| 06:23:42 | dj-fu | was at least 30 or 40 pages, iirc |
| 06:23:46 | Jeffimix | *hugs his compact laser printer* |
| 06:25:00 | Jeffimix | how long does rockbox normally take to boot? |
| 06:25:01 | macdonalder | out of curiosity, for the iPod is the apple firmware needed or is it possible to just write the rockbox bootloader to the ipod without merrying it with the apple stuff? |
| 06:25:27 | dj-fu | rockbox takes <1sec |
| 06:25:41 | Jeffimix | hum |
| 06:25:46 | dj-fu | macdonalder: afaik, you don't need the apple firmware |
| 06:25:51 | Jeffimix | *slowly walks back down the CVS tree to find one that boots* |
| 06:25:58 | macdonalder | cool... |
| 06:26:04 | dj-fu | but, that'd be a pain in the ass |
| 06:26:16 | dj-fu | according to paul the geek, retail firmware disk-access mode is faster |
| 06:26:27 | Jeffimix | the online instructions don't mention any other way, seeing as that 40meg boot partition stays regardless it's not really a huge issue, just neat.... |
| 06:26:31 | macdonalder | hahaha alright |
| 06:27:06 | dj-fu | yeah, you could just make the image to write to it without te apple firmware, i'm sure. |
| 06:27:24 | Jeffimix | what's the harm it's all beta anyhow |
| 06:28:44 | dj-fu | i have had minimal beta-style issues, to be honest |
| 06:28:49 | dj-fu | like, none at all |
| 06:28:55 | Jeffimix | okay so um it boots on the 2006-05-19 software |
| 06:29:01 | Jeffimix | but after that it's a duck |
| 06:29:06 | dj-fu | what model? |
| 06:29:17 | dj-fu | I haven't updated mine for a while |
| 06:29:36 | Jeffimix | mini 1g |
| 06:29:41 | dj-fu | ah |
| 06:29:44 | dj-fu | I've got a nano :p |
| 06:29:48 | Jeffimix | right now I'm playing chess |
| 06:29:54 | Jeffimix | it's thinking very hard |
| 06:30:07 | dj-fu | lol |
| 06:30:08 | macdonalder | oops, too hard! *BOOM* |
| 06:30:21 | macdonalder | *fizzle* |
| 06:30:23 | dj-fu | 'twas a great day when libmad got optimised and I could listen to music w/ crossfeed enabled. |
| 06:30:32 | Jeffimix | *resets* it can't think that hard I'm way too interested in getting some ogg's on it |
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| 06:32:05 | Jeffimix | well that's a unique way to handle usb connections |
| 06:32:27 | BHSPitMonkey | heh |
| 06:32:39 | Jeffimix | ... whatever works |
| 06:32:45 | Jeffimix | that may be an issue without the apple firmware ;) |
| 06:34:54 | Apostle^ | has the nano battery life gotten better recently |
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| 06:42:04 | Jeffimix | gag, no matter what software revision I use it likes to freeze on boot.... so why did the size jump down a little while ago from like 1.megs to .9 megs? |
| 06:42:08 | Jeffimix | *1.7 |
| 06:42:22 | Llorean | Just removal of fonts |
| 06:42:29 | Jeffimix | ah, okay |
| 06:42:38 | Llorean | Since they're never really updated, there was no reason to force users to download 'em every time |
| 06:43:19 | Llorean | They're available on the daily build page though, so if there are changes they can be downloaded |
| 06:43:23 | Jeffimix | ok |
| 06:43:32 | Jeffimix | should I get the old package then if I want lots of fonts? |
| 06:44:13 | Llorean | Just get the fonts package from the daily build |
| 06:44:23 | Llorean | There's a specific fonts package that has all the ones we used to include. |
| 06:44:40 | Jeffimix | ok |
| 06:49:25 | Jeffimix | hmmm bit of load lag but it seems to handle VBR oggs |
| 06:52:11 | Jeffimix | how do I scrub in a file? |
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| 06:54:12 | Jeffimix | but anyhow, listening to OGG files with an open-source jukebox OS, listening to the free album I downloaded with torrent (legally!) ..... now this is how the 21st century should be |
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| 06:55:21 | Llorean | scrub in a file? |
| 06:55:33 | Jeffimix | yeah, like, move back and forth |
| 06:55:55 | Llorean | Seeking |
| 06:55:57 | Jeffimix | I'm not really playing around I just wanna see if it can live through the album at the moment... |
| 06:55:57 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 06:56:02 | Llorean | Press and hold Left or Right |
| 06:56:11 | Jeffimix | ah, okay, makes sense |
| 06:57:43 | Jeffimix | it doesn't skip between tracks, nice |
| 06:58:09 | Jeffimix | anyhow I like what I hear, thanks you guys |
| 06:58:10 | Llorean | Well, it's not supposed to. |
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| 06:58:29 | Jeffimix | well it works right ^_^ |
| 06:58:45 | Jeffimix | I should just print the manual |
| 06:58:49 | hioudafy | Hi guys |
| 06:58:52 | Jeffimix | hello |
| 06:59:01 | Llorean | It could be a good idea. Or at least the IpodFAQ wiki page. |
| 06:59:16 | hioudafy | what are talking about now? |
| 06:59:29 | hioudafy | let me know |
| 06:59:34 | Jeffimix | yeah |
| 06:59:43 | EbErT | can you tell me what will be lots when i update my rockbox onto a newer daily build? |
| 06:59:53 | Jeffimix | oh I'm just using the irc channel as a complaint board while installing rockbox on my mini |
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| 07:00:06 | EbErT | i guess i'll have to move my .wps files |
| 07:00:06 | Llorean | EbErT: If the settings block version has changes, your settings will clear. If you save them to .cfg first, you can load it, and nothing will be lost |
| 07:00:20 | macdonalder | heh alright, I'm already out of it... I've made and installed the bootloader, I'm totally lost on how I'm supposed to make the filestructure that goes in the fat partition... |
| 07:00:23 | Llorean | To upgrade you just copy everything over the old stuff, you don't need to delete the .rockbox folder |
| 07:00:45 | Llorean | macdonalder: Extract rockbox.zip onto the FAT partition. That's it, as long as you tell it to preserve directory tree |
| 07:00:53 | EbErT | so that way it will leave the files i've added- fonts and such |
| 07:00:57 | macdonalder | I was hoping to build it from cvs |
| 07:01:07 | Llorean | EbErT: Exactly |
| 07:01:19 | Llorean | macdonalder: After running "make" run "make fullzip" |
| 07:01:22 | EbErT | ok, thx! |
| 07:01:27 | Llorean | Then extract that zip onto your player |
| 07:01:35 | macdonalder | ahhh fullzip, awesome :D |
| 07:02:41 | macdonalder | and for debugging, it would probably be wise to to a devel build with log files? |
| 07:03:26 | Llorean | I don't know if it logs to files, actually. |
| 07:03:31 | * | EbErT thinks playlist folders should be shown at the same time as id3 tag database |
| 07:03:42 | EbErT | where should i suggest that |
| 07:03:48 | Llorean | It's been suggested |
| 07:04:05 | EbErT | and i wish i could get it to cache all my tags :/ |
| 07:04:12 | Llorean | What's it missing? |
| 07:04:17 | EbErT | something's corrupted, hangs up |
| 07:04:37 | EbErT | i used something else that categorizes them via tags, and deleted the ones it couldn't handle |
| 07:04:50 | EbErT | which helped it to load more, but not fully |
| 07:05:10 | EbErT | guess a corrupted song, wish it could tell me where |
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| 07:08:12 | Jeffimix | how does rockbox's battery use compare to normal ipod, it's unfair to compare on my old dieing battery |
| 07:08:28 | Llorean | Rockbox drains the battery far more quickly at the moment. |
| 07:08:45 | Llorean | Though on grayscale ones like the Mini, it's actually much better than on the colour ones |
| 07:08:49 | Jeffimix | ah okay... heh |
| 07:09:10 | Llorean | I think battery life on the grayscale iPods isn't bad. Still not as good as the original firmware yet, but not actually _bad_ like on the color ones. |
| 07:09:13 | Jeffimix | yeah well I gotta replace my battery anyhow, so if it lives through the album I'm content.... |
| 07:09:21 | huifyadig | bull shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 07:09:31 | Jeffimix | will rockbox freak if I plug it into the wall? |
| 07:09:36 | Jeffimix | he got mad! |
| 07:09:42 | Llorean | Hold Menu while doing it. |
| 07:09:50 | Llorean | Otherwise it tries to reboot into USB mode |
| 07:09:58 | Jeffimix | okay |
| 07:10:27 | Jeffimix | setting it to not flash the light on all the time would save battery life, heh |
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| 08:40:12 | midkay | sigh.. |
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| 09:04:00 | amiconn | morning |
| 09:04:17 | petur | yeow |
| 09:04:34 | amiconn | LinusN: How would I use rockbox' simulated file code from simulator code (in uisimulator/sdl/ ) ? |
| 09:04:59 | LinusN | amiconn: eh? |
| 09:05:15 | amiconn | If I just use it, it works, but of course I get warnings (implicit declaration of blah) |
| 09:05:25 | amiconn | I cannot use #include "file.h" |
| 09:05:33 | LinusN | what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:05:45 | amiconn | I have a working screendump for th eplayer sim |
| 09:06:20 | amiconn | I need sim_creat(), write() and close() |
| 09:06:40 | amiconn | I could just hack around and declare them myself... |
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| 09:08:42 | amiconn | Do you have a better idea? |
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| 09:11:37 | courtc | heh, looks like rockbox has new fan: http://rainstorm.org/ipod/stats/ipodlinux.log |
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| 09:13:14 | Equinox | ok guys, successful |
| 09:13:24 | Equinox | we spammed ipodlonix for an hour |
| 09:13:35 | Equinox | that idiot courtc doesn't even know how to ban |
| 09:14:02 | courtc | cute. |
| 09:14:17 | Equinox | huge success imo |
| 09:14:36 | Equinox | btw, learn to ban idiot |
| 09:14:44 | courtc | Or... entire waste of time. |
| 09:14:50 | Equinox | loooooooooool |
| 09:14:56 | Equinox | huge success imo |
| 09:14:57 | Equinox | btw, learn to ban idiot |
| 09:15:52 | | Join ral [0] (n=53aaeba8@labb.contactor.se) |
| 09:15:59 | ral | hi all |
| 09:16:26 | ral | i need help with rockbox on ipod 4G |
| 09:16:41 | Equinox | you want us to do it in #ipodlinux again? |
| 09:16:43 | Mode | "#RockBox +b *!*@*.nyc.res.rr.com " by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) |
| 09:16:56 | crwl | ugh, stupidity really is abundant... |
| 09:17:03 | Kick | (#rockbox Equinox :LinusN) by LinusN!n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN |
| 09:17:49 | ral | it worked OK but yesterday it boots and shows "scanning disk" repeatedly |
| 09:18:02 | ral | it works OK in "disk mode" with my PC |
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| 09:18:43 | shriphani | i need help |
| 09:18:47 | LinusN | ral: how long did you wait while it showed "scanning disk"? |
| 09:19:14 | shriphani | i put in two songs by black sabbath and none of them are displayed |
| 09:19:16 | ral | 10-15 minutes.. it goes to sleep mode still with this message |
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| 09:19:49 | LinusN | shriphani: black sabbath is not allowed by rockbox :-) |
| 09:19:51 | shriphani | although the original apple firmware displays them |
| 09:20:00 | shriphani | it isnt ? |
| 09:20:08 | LinusN | shriphani: rockbox doesn't read the itunes database |
| 09:20:09 | shriphani | what has it got against them ? |
| 09:20:10 | crwl | LinusN, incorrect! I just listened two albums through yesterday! |
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| 09:20:26 | LinusN | crwl: file a bug report ;-) |
| 09:20:29 | crwl | hehe |
| 09:20:34 | Acksaw | got an exam in 20 mins |
| 09:20:37 | Acksaw | wish me luck :D |
| 09:20:39 | shriphani | no i put an ABBA in it and that is displayed but blacksabbath isnt |
| 09:20:43 | LinusN | good luck, Acksaw |
| 09:20:55 | ral | good luck Acksaw |
| 09:20:56 | LinusN | shriphani: you use tagcache? |
| 09:21:10 | shriphani | yes |
| 09:21:22 | LinusN | perhaps you need to rescan |
| 09:21:43 | shriphani | i did that |
| 09:21:49 | shriphani | i forced tag cache update |
| 09:21:58 | LinusN | i'm no tagcache user myself, so i don't know much about it |
| 09:22:15 | shriphani | but ABBA is displayed |
| 09:22:16 | LinusN | it could be that rockbox has problems reading the tag of those files |
| 09:22:19 | ral | sorry i lost connection. Libus did yo saif anything to me? |
| 09:22:20 | shriphani | why isnt blacksabbath |
| 09:22:37 | LinusN | ral: no, i didn't |
| 09:22:53 | amiconn | LinusN? |
| 09:22:59 | LinusN | shriphani: perhaps the black sabbath files are tagged differently somehow |
| 09:23:12 | shriphani | i tagged then in itunes |
| 09:23:16 | ral | i tried to google with this problem but didn't find anything appropriate :( |
| 09:23:26 | shriphani | abba was tagged in itunes but it has no problems |
| 09:23:31 | LinusN | weird |
| 09:23:42 | ral | shriphani, are they DRMed? |
| 09:23:50 | shriphani | what is that |
| 09:23:59 | petur | bought with itunes |
| 09:24:00 | amiconn | The playersim screenshot is in uisimulator/sdl/lcd-charcell.c I had to put it there because the only bitmap representation of the simulated player screen is the sdl surface, so the screendump code needs to access it |
| 09:24:03 | ral | did you buy them through Itumes Music store? |
| 09:24:19 | shriphani | no |
| 09:24:21 | shriphani | limewire |
| 09:24:27 | Acksaw | thanks all :) |
| 09:24:30 | Acksaw | bye! |
| 09:25:06 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't think there is a "clean" way to do it |
| 09:25:25 | ral | Linus, is there any way to reset ipod 4G to default settings with rockbox, like iRiver? |
| 09:25:30 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 09:25:41 | petur | al: boot with hold on |
| 09:25:52 | petur | *ral |
| 09:26:11 | ral | petur, menu+select and hold button on? |
| 09:26:47 | petur | just make sure hold is on when rockbox boots |
| 09:27:25 | ral | it worked! thanks a lot mate! |
| 09:29:36 | ral | bye all! |
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| 09:47:58 | petur | LinusN: I saw there are two eeproms in the h300, do we know how both are connected? |
| 09:50:18 | amiconn | Afaik one is the config eeprom for the usb-ata bridge, the other is probably used as config storage by retailos |
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| 09:50:32 | amiconn | It's hooked up to the same i2c lines as the pcf50606 |
| 09:50:58 | amiconn | The h1x0 also has 2 eeproms, only the 2nd one has half the capacity |
| 09:51:25 | petur | so if we messed up pcf50606 comms, we could be accessing eeprom? |
| 09:51:40 | petur | as in 'glitches' |
| 09:52:32 | amiconn | Unlikely |
| 09:52:42 | amiconn | The eeprom has a different bus address |
| 09:52:56 | petur | sure |
| 09:53:23 | petur | but if our driver would mess up, we could address the wrong chip |
| 09:54:06 | petur | I have been trying different stuff to see what could be corrupting retailos settings, but nothing did |
| 09:54:21 | petur | so I guess it must be a glitch in the comm |
| 09:55:26 | * | amiconn wouldn't know when retailos settings get messed up |
| 09:56:03 | petur | so I was trying different functionality to try to pinpoint it |
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| 09:56:13 | amiconn | If there were a glitch in the comm, we would have more problems than just messing up the eeprom |
| 09:56:56 | petur | it would probably need only one write in 10^xxx accesses to screw it |
| 09:57:23 | amiconn | I didn't check the datasheet, but I would expect the eeprom needs a certain command sequence for writing |
| 09:57:53 | petur | yes, I'd expect that, I'll need to look at that |
| 09:57:53 | amiconn | It's highly unlikely that a glitch would change the address to that of the eeprom, change the command to 'eeprom write' *and |
| 09:58:15 | amiconn | fulfill other conditions necessary for a successful write |
| 09:59:41 | petur | still its contens can get corrupted, which is also highly unlikely *but* happening |
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| 10:01:38 | amiconn | argh! red! |
| 10:02:01 | * | amiconn wonders why gcc 4.x stumbles upon mode_t, while gcc 3.4.4 doesn't even throw a warning |
| 10:02:22 | petur | Germany, 22 points :P |
| 10:02:34 | amiconn | petur: Are you sure the eeprom contents gets corrupted? |
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| 10:03:06 | petur | retailos can get all borked (completely wrong settings) |
| 10:03:27 | petur | Had it myself, others have had it too |
| 10:03:32 | preglow | slasheri has some eeprom code |
| 10:03:38 | preglow | i think |
| 10:04:06 | petur | maybe we should read and hash it as easy check |
| 10:04:42 | preglow | yep |
| 10:04:56 | amiconn | preglow: Slasheri's code probably won't work on h300 |
| 10:05:07 | preglow | is it only h3x0 that has the problem? |
| 10:05:43 | petur | have only heard of it from h300 users |
| 10:05:47 | amiconn | ..because in the h300, the pcf50606 and the eeprom share the i2c bus |
| 10:06:06 | preglow | right, then i find it more understandable |
| 10:06:15 | amiconn | Instead, we should be able to use the pcf50606 i2c driver to access the eeprom |
| 10:06:30 | amiconn | (with a different device address) |
| 10:06:37 | * | petur has the feeling we already do :) |
| 10:06:47 | * | amiconn doesn't |
| 10:07:00 | * | amiconn doesn't care too much about retailos settings either |
| 10:07:16 | petur | some users do |
| 10:07:33 | petur | and if we cause this, it's a bug |
| 10:07:39 | preglow | no shit |
| 10:08:05 | petur | :P |
| 10:08:06 | markun | petur: can't you dump the eeprom and do it again after a week of using rockbox. See if they are the same. |
| 10:08:16 | amiconn | Yes of course it would be a bug - if it really happens |
| 10:10:07 | petur | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40829 |
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| 10:39:51 | MrShlee | Any chance of Rockbox supporting m4a? or is the codec closed? |
| 10:40:40 | markun | m4a is a container, not a codec |
| 10:40:44 | markun | We have support for it |
| 10:41:43 | linuxstb | MrShlee: Rockbox supports both Apple Lossless and AAC in m4a. However, it needs more work from an interested developer. |
| 10:43:43 | MrShlee | audioMPEG-4 AAC LC, 168.739 secs, 253 kbps, 44100 Hz |
| 10:43:53 | MrShlee | .. that makes sense |
| 10:45:04 | linuxstb | The AAC decoder in Rockbox is very slow - it probably won't be able to decode a 253kbps file in realtime. |
| 10:49:01 | preglow | probably? it has no chance at all |
| 10:50:45 | MrShlee | yeah, it doesn't even try.. just skips to previous song in the que |
| 10:53:11 | linuxstb | preglow: At least until the gigabeat port is working.... |
| 10:53:53 | linuxstb | MrShlee: There are also bugs in the .m4a parser.... - I'm guessing you didn't use itunes to encode the file? |
| 10:54:10 | linuxstb | So all in all, it's in a bit of a sad state. |
| 10:54:26 | MrShlee | nope |
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| 11:09:21 | __guillaume__ | hello all |
| 11:09:53 | __guillaume__ | I have some problem with rockbox and the voice possibility |
| 11:10:20 | __guillaume__ | when I play a song and i want to return to the main menu rockbox freeze |
| 11:10:27 | __guillaume__ | with an error message : |
| 11:10:52 | __guillaume__ | IO4:IllInstr |
| 11:10:59 | __guillaume__ | at 00000010 |
| 11:11:22 | LinusN | __guillaume__: which player model? |
| 11:11:34 | preglow | coldfire, apparently |
| 11:11:51 | __guillaume__ | an iaudio X5 |
| 11:12:04 | LinusN | which rockbox build? |
| 11:12:23 | __guillaume__ | the daily build |
| 11:12:29 | __guillaume__ | of today |
| 11:12:34 | LinusN | from today? |
| 11:12:36 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:12:38 | __guillaume__ | yes |
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| 11:13:08 | LinusN | you are playing an mp3 file? |
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| 11:18:41 | __guillaume__ | yes |
| 11:21:20 | amiconn | gah |
| 11:21:39 | amiconn | Why doesn't nautilus have a file search function, like windows explorer? |
| 11:21:56 | * | amiconn is still fighting with the grep syntax |
| 11:23:37 | __guillaume__ | amiconn: you can use the file search program of gnome or locate ! |
| 11:23:58 | __guillaume__ | LinusN: you don't have any idea |
| 11:24:21 | __guillaume__ | nobody have the same problem ? |
| 11:24:27 | LinusN | __guillaume__: not really, have you tried a complete reinstall? |
| 11:24:37 | LinusN | i haven't used voice on the x5 |
| 11:24:56 | __guillaume__ | erase the folder and copy it |
| 11:24:58 | __guillaume__ | ? |
| 11:25:34 | LinusN | yes, unzip the rockbox.zip file again |
| 11:25:48 | __guillaume__ | ok I will try |
| 11:25:55 | LinusN | don't remove the old .rockbox directory |
| 11:26:06 | LinusN | then you will lose the voice file |
| 11:26:10 | __guillaume__ | ok i have do that this morning |
| 11:26:39 | linuxstb | amiconn: If you right-click on the toolbar panel in Gnome and select "Add to panel", you can add the "Search Files" icon. |
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| 11:27:30 | __guillaume__ | and i have alway the problem |
| 11:27:46 | BCMM | is there a version of voicebox for linux? does the windows one run under wine? |
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| 11:31:20 | __guillaume__ | LinusN: is there any solution to stop playing a song |
| 11:31:31 | __guillaume__ | in the iaudio X5 |
| 11:31:38 | LinusN | hold Play/Pause |
| 11:31:45 | __guillaume__ | ok thx |
| 11:31:53 | amiconn | BCMM: Most probably not (voicebox needs SAPI, and I highly doubt wine handles SAPI) |
| 11:31:57 | __guillaume__ | maybe it tempory soluce the pb |
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| 11:32:18 | amiconn | Evene if it did, you most probably don't have any voices installed |
| 11:32:25 | BCMM | amiconn: ok |
| 11:32:28 | amiconn | Perhaps it's possible to install sapi 5 in wine? |
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| 11:33:06 | BCMM | i think it would be better to port it... festival is better than MS's synthesizer, and lame is available on linux |
| 11:33:08 | BCMM | oh well |
| 11:33:10 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 11:33:27 | preglow | good question.. |
| 11:33:28 | preglow | . |
| 11:33:37 | LinusN | is festival better? in what way? |
| 11:33:56 | preglow | dunno |
| 11:34:00 | preglow | it's fair quality, though |
| 11:34:08 | LinusN | acceptable |
| 11:34:13 | preglow | heh |
| 11:34:17 | preglow | just like the windows one |
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| 11:43:48 | __guillaume__ | LinusN: I have the same error when I stop the song |
| 11:43:55 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:43:57 | __guillaume__ | an mp3 |
| 11:44:10 | __guillaume__ | when I hold the play/pause button |
| 11:44:35 | LinusN | i thought that bug was fixed, but it seems i'm wrong |
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| 11:45:17 | __guillaume__ | if I can help you to fix it |
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| 11:51:34 | __guillaume__ | LinusN: you know why it's append ? |
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| 11:52:13 | LinusN | __guillaume__: there are many problems with voice playback on all platforms |
| 11:52:55 | __guillaume__ | ok |
| 11:53:12 | __guillaume__ | it is the first time I use this fonctonnality |
| 11:53:41 | __guillaume__ | I install it for a blind people |
| 11:54:00 | LinusN | we are working on solving those problems |
| 11:54:51 | __guillaume__ | If I can help you, I am a dev |
| 11:55:43 | __guillaume__ | I have to install the developpement environnement |
| 11:56:06 | __guillaume__ | is there any documentation on the rockbox code ? |
| 11:56:19 | petur | rtfs |
| 11:56:31 | petur | :D |
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| 11:59:51 | __guillaume__ | with an archox the blind user I have meet was very satisfying |
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| 12:00:08 | __guillaume__ | archos |
| 12:01:45 | LinusN | the archos is very different |
| 12:05:43 | __guillaume__ | ok |
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| 12:28:13 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 12:36:30 | amiconn | LinusN: The commit times are off... |
| 12:36:56 | amiconn | They are supposed to be shown as GMT, but actually show CEST |
| 12:37:12 | amiconn | (on the frontpage) |
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| 12:39:38 | Jungti1234__ | hmm |
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| 12:47:20 | tucoz | hello, how do you think we should solve the wps-naming issue? That is, different font for different targets. (iCatcher) |
| 12:48:04 | tucoz | name them iCatcher-h300, iCatcher-archos or iCatcher-resolution? |
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| 12:48:24 | Genre9mp3 | maybe, iCatcher.resolutio.font.wps ? |
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| 12:48:38 | tucoz | or make the wpsbuild.pl script handle it? |
| 12:48:59 | Genre9mp3 | Well yes, modifying the script will be better... |
| 12:49:17 | tucoz | I've heard that preglow loves perl |
| 12:49:18 | Jungti1234__ | oh |
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| 12:49:35 | tucoz | well, I do to. But, I am not that good with perl |
| 12:49:43 | tucoz | too |
| 12:50:32 | LinusN | isn't it iCatcher-resolution today? |
| 12:51:01 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN:I've updated the files to the new wps system |
| 12:51:06 | LinusN | iCatcher.160x128x1.wps etc |
| 12:51:09 | tucoz | Yes, but if we add it to the WPSLIST file we need to define different fonts for differnet resolutions |
| 12:51:14 | LinusN | no |
| 12:51:17 | Genre9mp3 | They are now : iCatcher.resolution.wps |
| 12:51:18 | tucoz | and the script doesn't handle that |
| 12:51:21 | lostlogic | LinusN: btw −− I have that semaphore stuff coded, and it works unchanged for normal audio playback, but I haven't managed to do voice tests on it, so I can't commit it. |
| 12:51:46 | LinusN | lostlogic: send me a patch |
| 12:52:01 | tucoz | the buildscript uses the resolution of iCatcher.resolution |
| 12:52:04 | LinusN | i have only icatcher.wps in my WPSLIST |
| 12:52:28 | tucoz | yes, but how do you define different fonts for the different targets then? |
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| 12:52:57 | LinusN | hmmm, now i understand |
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| 12:53:23 | Genre9mp3 | Also, because of the different fonts, the rwps for H100 and H300 are different |
| 12:53:44 | LinusN | btw, i like icatcher, but i don't really like that it has the song title on the bottom row |
| 12:53:52 | tucoz | it hasn't :) |
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| 12:53:58 | LinusN | mine has |
| 12:54:03 | tucoz | not the new one |
| 12:54:08 | Genre9mp3 | LinuN: I made a major update on this, I think you should check... |
| 12:54:12 | LinusN | oh, is it in the tracker? |
| 12:54:17 | tucoz | Oh, you mean the next track? |
| 12:54:17 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 12:54:42 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11671 |
| 12:54:47 | LinusN | love it |
| 12:54:51 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 12:55:49 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, is the blue one in the default pack? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11673 |
| 12:56:06 | LinusN | ok, so we need a way to specify the font for different lcd sizes |
| 12:56:10 | Genre9mp3 | Yes, iCatcher-DefaultColours.zip |
| 12:56:23 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: correct |
| 12:56:37 | Genre9mp3 | also specify different rwps for H100 & H300 |
| 12:56:37 | tucoz | ok. I think we should have the blue theme in CVS |
| 12:56:52 | german_snail | hey... |
| 12:57:08 | german_snail | what's iCatcher? |
| 12:57:17 | tucoz | a wps/theme |
| 12:57:20 | LinusN | isn't the h100 and h300 lcd the same size? |
| 12:57:30 | amiconn | huh?? |
| 12:57:31 | german_snail | oh for which device? |
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| 12:57:36 | LinusN | remote lcd |
| 12:57:36 | tucoz | all targets |
| 12:57:45 | Genre9mp3 | yes but, H100 uses different font than H300 |
| 12:57:51 | german_snail | hmmph, url? |
| 12:57:54 | amiconn | Ah, yes, the remote lcd is teh same |
| 12:57:56 | LinusN | ah, yes |
| 12:57:57 | tucoz | german_snail, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11671 |
| 12:57:58 | preglow | linuxstb: we can't currently detect if we've got an actual usb signal, no? |
| 12:58:01 | Genre9mp3 | and the font is the same for both main screen and remote screen |
| 12:58:06 | LinusN | i see |
| 12:58:21 | Genre9mp3 | so the rwps are different... |
| 12:58:22 | tucoz | german_snail, that is a screenshot. You find the theme in the tracker |
| 12:58:37 | german_snail | k |
| 12:58:46 | Genre9mp3 | This of course doesn't happen with UniCatcher versions (all themes use unifont) |
| 12:58:48 | german_snail | Genre9mp3 *bow* |
| 12:59:10 | LinusN | i suggest a new dir layout for the wps module |
| 12:59:21 | tucoz | again ;-) |
| 12:59:30 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: such as? |
| 12:59:34 | LinusN | where each WPS has its own WPSLIST |
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| 13:00:13 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...so each WPSLIST define different font, right? |
| 13:00:19 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:00:27 | Genre9mp3 | and what about the remotes? |
| 13:00:55 | Genre9mp3 | How the compiler know which one of thenm include in the H100/H300 builds? |
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| 13:01:52 | LinusN | isn't the rwps in the WPSLIST file as well? |
| 13:02:07 | Genre9mp3 | yes... |
| 13:02:36 | Genre9mp3 | but the rwps files should have a different name... |
| 13:02:48 | linuxstb | preglow: Apart from copy/pasting the IPL code, I haven't really investigated. You could try adding the value of the USB_STATUS register to the GPIO debug screen and see if you can spot anything. Do you have an AC adapter? |
| 13:03:05 | LinusN | i see in your zip that you don't use separate subdirs for different resolutions |
| 13:03:31 | Genre9mp3 | Yes, this is due to the new wps system |
| 13:03:50 | LinusN | the new wps supports that |
| 13:03:57 | Genre9mp3 | So don't have to have the same bmps in each dir |
| 13:04:03 | LinusN | icatcher/320x240x16/ |
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| 13:04:14 | Genre9mp3 | you refer to your latest commit? |
| 13:04:18 | LinusN | yes |
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| 13:04:38 | LinusN | with that system, you might have to have the same bmp in several dirs though |
| 13:04:41 | Genre9mp3 | I just updated to match Cassandra's changes... |
| 13:04:50 | preglow | linuxstb: no, but i know a guy that does |
| 13:04:53 | preglow | linuxstb: good thinking.. |
| 13:05:02 | Genre9mp3 | So there aren't any duplicates |
| 13:05:33 | LinusN | is the same bmp used for several resolutions? |
| 13:05:49 | Genre9mp3 | Not all, but many... |
| 13:05:54 | LinusN | i see |
| 13:05:59 | tucoz | Does duplicates matter for now? |
| 13:06:06 | tucoz | Exept in the source-tree |
| 13:06:34 | LinusN | duplicates are inconvenient for the developer |
| 13:06:48 | tucoz | that is true |
| 13:06:56 | Genre9mp3 | The new system reads the contents of the wps file and include only the bmps that are preloaded (in the builds) |
| 13:07:05 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:07:22 | Genre9mp3 | So there aren't any bmps that are not necessary in the builds |
| 13:07:31 | LinusN | and with my latest commits, it looks for the bitmaps in icatcher/<resolution>/ |
| 13:07:54 | Genre9mp3 | So...do I have to update the files, again? |
| 13:08:03 | LinusN | if it can't find them there, it looks in icatcher/ |
| 13:08:36 | LinusN | the nice thing about the separate directories is that the WPSLIST file could be there as well |
| 13:08:52 | LinusN | icatcher/320x240x16/WPSLIST etc |
| 13:09:01 | Genre9mp3 | Yes but then you'll have duplicates bmps |
| 13:09:11 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:09:16 | Genre9mp3 | what about making WPSLIST.resolution files? |
| 13:09:24 | LinusN | sure |
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| 13:12:03 | senab | does anyone know the resolution of the ipod colour screen? |
| 13:12:12 | senab | is it 220x176x16bit? |
| 13:12:27 | Genre9mp3 | senab:yes |
| 13:12:33 | senab | cheers |
| 13:12:37 | linuxstb | Nice feature request... "I believe untill iTunesDB parsing is supported for iPod, rockbox cannot be effectively used." |
| 13:13:55 | preglow | hahahah |
| 13:13:55 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: about the rwps naming...is iCatcher.128x64x1.H100r.wps & iCatcher.128x64x1.H300r.wps Ok? |
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| 13:17:37 | LinusN | i guess |
| 13:17:56 | LinusN | maybe one WPSLIST for each wps would be sufficient |
| 13:18:03 | LinusN | icatcher/WPSLIST |
| 13:18:20 | LinusN | and that file would have many entries, one for each resolution |
| 13:18:40 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: yes, it's better this way I guess |
| 13:19:10 | LinusN | then the script would look for a WPSLIST file in each directory |
| 13:20:07 | senab | when i was making my wps, i was wondering, when is the stop button displayed? |
| 13:20:19 | LinusN | i like the blueish theme, but it would be even nicer if the rockbox-yellow would be there somewhere |
| 13:20:40 | LinusN | senab: actually, it is never displayed |
| 13:20:46 | LinusN | currently |
| 13:20:48 | senab | i was thinking that |
| 13:20:51 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: I will make all additional colour themes... |
| 13:21:02 | senab | because i've never seen it |
| 13:21:04 | LinusN | apart from for a split second when stopping the music |
| 13:21:21 | senab | so it's a bit of a waste of buffer space |
| 13:21:29 | Genre9mp3 | A nice idea would be to let people download different colours from the site... |
| 13:21:31 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: i mean a tad of yellow in the blueish theme |
| 13:21:47 | LinusN | senab: yes, currently |
| 13:22:04 | LinusN | i sustect that this will change in the future |
| 13:22:09 | LinusN | suspect |
| 13:22:16 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: a tad of yellow? |
| 13:22:23 | LinusN | so that the wps can be visible with the music stopped |
| 13:23:06 | senab | i suppose so, but there is so stop function at the moment is there |
| 13:23:15 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: ignore me, i just felt like ot would have been nice to have more than one color shade in the wps |
| 13:23:29 | LinusN | like having the rockbox logo in there somewhere |
| 13:23:31 | senab | it's either paused, or playing |
| 13:23:49 | LinusN | senab: are you talking about x5? |
| 13:24:06 | senab | nope ipod g |
| 13:24:07 | senab | 5g |
| 13:24:32 | Genre9mp3 | LinusN: a rockbox logo would "overload" the theme, especially on small screens, i think... |
| 13:24:33 | LinusN | all rockbox targets can stop the music, afaik |
| 13:24:40 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: possibly |
| 13:24:57 | tucoz | The rockbox logo will make the wps look crowded. But maybe a bit of yellow somewhere would look nice. |
| 13:25:12 | senab | linus: hmmm, 'll have to do some digging |
| 13:25:18 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: it will be sooooo nice when the rest of rockbox can be themed in this way |
| 13:25:35 | LinusN | senab: it usually involved holding the pause button |
| 13:25:41 | LinusN | involves |
| 13:26:28 | Genre9mp3 | So, is there something you want me to do at the moment? |
| 13:26:48 | senab | linus: you right (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments) |
| 13:26:57 | LinusN | Genre9mp3: not really, i think |
| 13:27:08 | preglow | linuxstb: weird stuff happens to USB_STATUS when plugging, but nothing that differs between usb/power cable |
| 13:27:22 | Genre9mp3 | ok... |
| 13:28:28 | Genre9mp3 | BTW, yesterday I created a Gigabeat wps... |
| 13:28:31 | Genre9mp3 | http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/dump_0007.PNG |
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| 13:29:19 | linuxstb | preglow: Do the GPIO ports show any differences? |
| 13:29:51 | senab | i'm not the greatest fan of helvetica unaliased |
| 13:30:29 | LinusN | btw, how is the iriver h100/h300 remote support nowadays? |
| 13:31:08 | Genre9mp3 | AFAIK, the H300 LCD buttons don't work as they should |
| 13:31:10 | * | amiconn wonders why LinusN is asking this |
| 13:31:32 | amiconn | Afaik you do have both a h1x0 and a h300 and the respective remotes... |
| 13:31:34 | * | LinusN answers that he doesn't use the remote |
| 13:31:34 | petur | forum complaints? |
| 13:31:34 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, gpio_l, but that's also the same |
| 13:31:44 | LinusN | petur: yes |
| 13:32:08 | amiconn | Afaik the h300 joystick directions are switched in the browser, but that's it |
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| 13:32:16 | LinusN | amiconn: i see |
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| 13:33:30 | linuxstb | preglow: I suppose the place to look is usb_init() in firmware/usb.c - but that's the usual cryptic sequence of inl() and outl() commands... |
| 13:33:36 | preglow | indeed |
| 13:33:50 | amiconn | We need the button action concept for fixing this. There's way more to it than I first thought :/ |
| 13:33:57 | preglow | linuxstb: god, it's even worse than usual |
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| 13:34:17 | LinusN | amiconn: ouch, with 6 days to go... |
| 13:35:04 | amiconn | I would ignore that for now. It's a minor problem, and it seems we can't release for H300 anyway :( |
| 13:35:27 | LinusN | maybe not |
| 13:35:37 | preglow | linuxstb: any idea why all that stuff is needed? it just reboots anyway.. |
| 13:35:58 | LinusN | i scratched my head last night, measuring the power consumption |
| 13:35:59 | linuxstb | preglow: You could try displaying 0xc50001a8 in the debug screen (4 bytes higher than USB_STATUS) |
| 13:36:10 | linuxstb | preglow: No idea at all - I just blindly copied it. |
| 13:36:24 | amiconn | LinusN: Any chance to get at least partial H300 schematics? |
| 13:36:40 | LinusN | that's my current plan |
| 13:36:48 | amiconn | Would we need to sacrifice a (defective) H300 in order to make them? |
| 13:36:55 | LinusN | i have been avoiding it |
| 13:37:07 | LinusN | i have a clean h300 pcb |
| 13:37:12 | amiconn | Iirc you did that for the H1x0 |
| 13:37:21 | amiconn | ah |
| 13:37:49 | LinusN | i have done the same woth the h300, but i haven't traced much more than the absolutely necessary stuff so far |
| 13:38:34 | LinusN | mainly because it's so tedious and time consuming work |
| 13:39:07 | LinusN | i put so much work in the h100 schematics, and didn't fell like doing it all over for the h300 |
| 13:39:12 | LinusN | feel |
| 13:39:26 | LinusN | but it looks like that was a mistake |
| 13:40:01 | preglow | need to unsolder everything bit by bit and trace, yes? |
| 13:40:17 | LinusN | i have unsoldered the large chips |
| 13:40:54 | LinusN | so there is nothing that stops me, only lack of time and motivation |
| 13:41:03 | LinusN | mostly time |
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| 13:42:33 | preglow | linuxstb: looks like that address i always zero |
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| 13:53:59 | linuxstb | preglow: Have you tried removing all the code in usb_init() ? |
| 13:54:18 | preglow | nopes |
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| 13:57:30 | cadavre | hi |
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| 13:59:53 | pixelma | hi, I just wanted to let you know that the tetrox plugin is broken on Archos Ondio |
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| 14:00:36 | linuxstb | Broken, how? |
| 14:00:42 | pixelma | When starting I get the following error) I09: CPUAdrEr at 091F812E |
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| 14:01:28 | pixelma | I experienced it first with a build from May 15th, but I got myself a bleeding edge build and it's still there |
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| 14:44:40 | JdGordon | is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364 gonna be added? |
| 14:45:50 | amiconn | LinusN/ Bagder/ Zagor: viewcvs seems to have problems... |
| 14:46:37 | LinusN | in what way? |
| 14:46:52 | LinusN | JdGordon: yes |
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| 14:48:07 | JdGordon | ok :) |
| 14:51:15 | LinusN | amiconn: what's the problem with viewcvs? |
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| 14:56:26 | amiconn | (1) http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/sdl/ doesn't show lcd-charcell.[ch] (2) If you manually go to http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/uisimulator/sdl/lcd-charcell.c (or from the front page), it doesn't show revisions 1.4 and 1.5 |
| 14:56:51 | amiconn | Maybe this is not the only affected file... |
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| 15:00:50 | linuxstb | I don't know what it means, but "cvs log" is showing a "commitid:" entry for those recent changes to lcd-charcell.c It also appears in apps/plugins/xobox.c - which is also out of date in viewcvs |
| 15:10:09 | JdGordon | quick regexp q.. can any1 give me the regexp for only numbers and () please? my brain is off atm |
| 15:10:35 | ashridah | [0-9\(\)] ? |
| 15:10:58 | JdGordon | but that will still work if there is letters before or after it wont it? |
| 15:11:58 | JdGordon | ive got ([^a-zA-Z]+[0-9\(\)]) which doesnt seem to work |
| 15:12:09 | JdGordon | ([^a-zA-Z]+[0-9\(\)])* sorry |
| 15:15:50 | midkay | JdGordon, someone gave it right after you left yesterday |
| 15:16:01 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 15:16:27 | JdGordon | iv simplified the problem abit and its workking now.. |
| 15:17:20 | Mikachu | do you want something like 2342)234(29 to match? |
| 15:17:25 | Mikachu | or only (234165) ? |
| 15:18:24 | JdGordon | its supposed to be only the 2nd.. but either works... its good enough |
| 15:18:45 | JdGordon | im just doing ... "unless ($phone =~ /[a-zA-Z]/)" which is close enough |
| 15:19:13 | JdGordon | ..hopefully.... its worth like 0.5% so i dont care that much |
| 15:20:04 | linuxstb | I'm sure Google will find you regular expressions to match phone numbers. |
| 15:20:11 | linuxstb | (If that's the problem) |
| 15:20:17 | JdGordon | tis |
| 15:20:23 | Mikachu | doing your homework on irc, not a good ide |
| 15:20:34 | JdGordon | meh.. why not? |
| 15:29:33 | LinusN | linuxstb, amiconn: i wonder why those "commitid" strings are there |
| 15:29:50 | LinusN | cvsweb seems to have problems with them |
| 15:33:11 | LinusN | amiconn: are you using cvsnt? |
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| 15:34:47 | BCMM | does anyone know of a way to use festival to generate voice clips for songs? I can only find references to scripts to generate menu voice clips |
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| 15:35:28 | LinusN | i believe there is a script in the patch tracker |
| 15:35:48 | jd_ | JdGordon, could "test test(3456)chunky 45)bacon".scan(/\([0-9]*\)/) be what you're looking for? |
| 15:35:53 | linuxstb | LinusN: I noticed the recent commits from midkay have them as well - e.g. apps/plugins/xobox.c, and also markun - apps/lang/english.lang |
| 15:36:01 | jd_ | (returns "(3456)") |
| 15:37:04 | JdGordon | jd_: thanx.. close but no... i acxtually need to make sure the user is giving a valid phone number... im happy with my "solution".. thanx anyway |
| 15:37:13 | jd_ | ^^ |
| 15:38:24 | BCMM | LinusN: sorry for confusing, but was that a response to my question or to something just before i joined? |
| 15:38:41 | LinusN | BCMM: that was for you |
| 15:39:14 | BCMM | LinusN: thanks. what is the patch tracker? is that the same as flyspray? |
| 15:39:20 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:40:03 | markun | linuxstb: did I do anything wrong? |
| 15:40:06 | BCMM | LinusN: thanks a lot |
| 15:40:30 | jd_ | I'm trying to compil gcc-3.4 in order to build Coldfire stuff, but while following the CrossCompiler wiki page, I get "m68k-elf-ranlib : commande introuvable" (basically meaning the commande is unknown). Didn't find a tip on Google, sorry |
| 15:41:12 | linuxstb | markun: No, I don't think it's anything you did. I was just saying that the cvs problem isn't just with amiconn's commits - it happened with you and midkay as well. |
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| 15:42:00 | LinusN | jd_: did you set the PATH before running make install? |
| 15:42:08 | jd_ | yes |
| 15:42:27 | linuxstb | For user root? (assuming you're running make install as root) |
| 15:42:56 | LinusN | jd_: and you did set it to the "bin" directory? |
| 15:43:04 | preglow | linuxstb: we still have that problem with the hold switch sometimes eating keys after being switched off, yea? |
| 15:43:50 | jd_ | jd@mop:~/build/gcc$ echo $PATH |
| 15:43:50 | jd_ | /home/jd/coldfire/bin:/(...) |
| 15:44:09 | jd_ | oh, let's root that indeed |
| 15:44:30 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes - but I think tempel has fixed it in the latest ipodloader2 versions. Something to do with re-initialising the button driver when hold is turned off I think. |
| 15:44:58 | LinusN | jd_: type "which m68k-elf-as" |
| 15:44:59 | preglow | yes, he has |
| 15:45:09 | preglow | so we should merge that some time |
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| 15:45:19 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, definitely. |
| 15:45:28 | jd_ | jd@mop:~/build/gcc$ which m68k-elf-as |
| 15:45:29 | jd_ | /home/jd/coldfire/bin/m68k-elf-as |
| 15:45:36 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:45:40 | LinusN | and ranlib? |
| 15:46:03 | jd_ | outputs /usr/bin/ranlib |
| 15:46:13 | LinusN | i mean m68k-elf-ranlib |
| 15:46:18 | jd_ | oops |
| 15:46:31 | jd_ | same location than -as |
| 15:46:43 | jd_ | (with -ranlib suffix) |
| 15:46:48 | LinusN | then it should work... |
| 15:46:53 | jd_ | ok |
| 15:47:30 | Mikachu | silly question but have you set them in the same terminal as you're trying to compile in? |
| 15:47:53 | jd_ | thank you, if I get it working I'll tell you :) |
| 15:58:01 | amiconn | LinusN: I'm using commandline cvs - both on cygwin and on linux |
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| 16:00:22 | amiconn | preglow: The button driver eating key events on ipod? |
| 16:00:31 | * | amiconn never observed this |
| 16:03:45 | preglow | yes |
| 16:03:48 | preglow | sometimes after disabling hold |
| 16:04:11 | preglow | you haven't got a 5g device |
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| 16:07:40 | amiconn | Ah, so it's a 5g only problem... |
| 16:08:34 | preglow | well, neither the hardware nor the driver is the same |
| 16:08:42 | preglow | so i have no reason to think it's anything other than |
| 16:11:01 | amiconn | LinusN: Maybe newer versions of cvs add that commitid "feature"? |
| 16:11:56 | amiconn | Hmm, strange... |
| 16:12:19 | amiconn | cygwin cvs -v ==> Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.11.17 (client/server) |
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| 16:12:48 | amiconn | linux cvs -v ==> Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.12.9 (client/server) |
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| 16:13:21 | linuxstb | I'm guessing something on the server-side changed. It seemed to happen a couple of days ago, and all commits (by various people) since then have the commitid: tag. |
| 16:14:39 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, it seems to be a pretty new feature |
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| 16:15:51 | LinusN | i guess upgrading to a newer viewcvs would solve it |
| 16:15:57 | LinusN | i'll have a look |
| 16:16:00 | LinusN | gotta go |
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| 16:18:02 | petur | seems to have started with the commit on 22 May 08:56 |
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| 16:37:29 | petur | ggg |
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| 16:50:53 | josh_ | Hi all, I'm an iPodLinux dev; would any of you know about some wiki vandalism done to us by a user registering as "T0mas"? (with the zero) |
| 16:51:06 | josh_ | I'm not blaming t0mas, as for all I know it was some troll, I was just curious. |
| 16:51:23 | josh_ | (I ask because the vandalism was iPL-bashing and Rockbox-favoring.) |
| 16:51:26 | Mikachu | was the ip from ph.cox.net? |
| 16:53:40 | josh_ | hm, can't tell, actually. MediaWiki doesn't log that. |
| 16:53:55 | josh_ | probably was, though - #ipodlinux got a massive Pr0t attack at the same time |
| 16:54:14 | josh_ | odd that he's trying to play us against each other... oh well, impossible to predict a troll. |
| 16:54:15 | Mikachu | he is all over the internet it seems |
| 16:54:18 | Mikachu | http://vgmix.com/ |
| 16:56:04 | Bagder | It certainly wasn't the t0mas that is a regular here, since he's a sensible guy |
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| 17:02:51 | t0mas | what? |
| 17:03:02 | t0mas | interesting |
| 17:03:08 | t0mas | 80.60.8.209 is my IP |
| 17:03:29 | Bagder | well, you wouldn't use your ordinary IP if you were being a bad boy |
| 17:03:38 | t0mas | and I sure as hell didn't vandalize your wiki :) |
| 17:03:44 | t0mas | true :) |
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| 17:07:47 | Genre9mp3 | also you wouldn't use your ordinary nick... |
| 17:11:07 | Kohlrabi | that is what he wants you to believe! ;) |
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| 17:12:15 | t0mas | hehe |
| 17:12:16 | t0mas | indeed |
| 17:12:22 | t0mas | never trust me ;) |
| 17:12:42 | t0mas | don't you remember I removed the entire rockbox wiki last year? ;) |
| 17:13:07 | Genre9mp3 | lol |
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| 18:18:55 | rconan | hey peeps |
| 18:19:19 | rconan | how come rockbox uses arm-elf-gcc when arm-uclinux-elf-gcc is there and works |
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| 18:21:48 | rconan | arm-uclinux-elf-gcc is a higher version so should be better right? |
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| 18:23:07 | markun | rconan: we don't need to generate uclinux binaries |
| 18:24:05 | rconan | will the newer toolchain not work then? |
| 18:24:30 | rconan | or can i get a newer arm-elf toolchain anywhere |
| 18:24:35 | rconan | mine is only 2.95 |
| 18:25:26 | markun | You could compile it yourself |
| 18:25:58 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
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| 18:27:27 | buraianto | when I navigate from one level in tagcache to the next a dialog window briefly pops up. is there any way to disable that? |
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| 18:35:20 | markun | buraianto: could you read what was in the dialog window? |
| 18:35:56 | Mikachu | if it doesn't let you answer, it's more of a monolog than a dialog :) |
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| 18:37:27 | buraianto | it goes pretty fast, but it looks like it says something like "searching: X many found" |
| 18:39:47 | buraianto | so yeah, I guess it is a monolog |
| 18:40:27 | buraianto | but it's so fast that it's impossible to really read, and becomes a somewhat annoying distraction |
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| 18:41:21 | buraianto | maybe if I had one of them fancy 60 gigabyte players it would take longer to search. Maybe that's my solution ;) |
| 18:41:49 | buraianto | (60 gigs worth of songs, that is.) |
| 18:41:53 | markun | There is currently no way to displable it (except compile your own rockbox) |
| 18:41:59 | markun | disable |
| 18:42:16 | buraianto | markun: ok. thanks. |
| 18:43:25 | rconan | markun: the uclinux toolchain seems to have made a perfectly good binary for rockbox |
| 18:44:25 | markun | rconan: it's possible to use it, but you suggested we all 'upgrade' to the uclinux compiler. |
| 18:44:29 | markun | which version do you have? |
| 18:44:55 | Mikachu | i'm guessing i could probably use my gameboy advance toolchain too |
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| 18:45:35 | rconan | markun: i was suggesting that the configure script could be aware of it |
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| 18:45:48 | markun | Ah, then I misunderstool |
| 18:45:59 | markun | not stool :) |
| 18:46:07 | rconan | and if there is both it could use whichever has higher supported version |
| 18:46:13 | markun | Damn, my typing is even worse than usual.. |
| 18:46:39 | markun | rconan: yes, good idea. Do you want to give it a try? |
| 18:47:04 | markun | You can also include arm-linux-elf-gcc in the comparison |
| 18:47:24 | rconan | there are endless possibilities i can imagine |
| 18:47:26 | preglow | ahaha |
| 18:47:27 | preglow | not stool, you say? |
| 18:47:38 | markun | :) |
| 18:47:40 | preglow | misunderstool <- word of the month |
| 18:47:56 | rconan | i just imagine there are a lot of people with a uclinux toolchain they use for ipodlinux which they could use for rockbox too |
| 18:48:06 | preglow | you can't, i think |
| 18:48:06 | markun | Yes, what a nice word I just invented |
| 18:48:37 | rconan | preglow: were you saying that to me? |
| 18:48:44 | preglow | rconan: yes |
| 18:48:54 | rconan | i just did and it worked |
| 18:48:57 | preglow | markun: what, you can use arm-linuf-elf? |
| 18:49:01 | preglow | cool |
| 18:49:05 | preglow | then what the hell is the difference? |
| 18:49:10 | rconan | im not sure |
| 18:49:23 | rconan | they're built against different libc's ???? |
| 18:49:43 | rconan | i think the arm-uclinux-elf is built against uclibc |
| 18:51:40 | preglow | we don't use libc, so in that case, hooray |
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| 18:53:32 | rconan | is there a way i can run the configure script but have the shell show all the commands as they run? |
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| 18:55:11 | Mikachu | sh -x configure |
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| 18:58:41 | rconan | cheers Mikachu |
| 18:59:32 | rconan | is it also possible to output that output to a file? |
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| 19:01:51 | FelixKarl | yes, with: sh -x configure 2> outputfilename |
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| 19:33:59 | t0mas | omg... talking about the programmer being fired because the janitor can do it with PL/SQL |
| 19:34:03 | t0mas | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/73971.aspx |
| 19:34:19 | t0mas | what an idiot... |
| 19:37:45 | flamingcow | t0mas: let's not talk about mysql in that context :) |
| 19:38:40 | t0mas | yeah, lots of people can "work with mysql" |
| 19:38:50 | t0mas | just by writing a simple PHP guestbook they think they can do it |
| 19:39:05 | t0mas | that's why there is a 4 hours/week class in university just about good database design :) |
| 19:39:06 | flamingcow | well, referring specifically to exception handling |
| 19:39:14 | flamingcow | you can catch them |
| 19:39:22 | flamingcow | but RAISE is scheduled for the next version |
| 19:39:33 | flamingcow | so dividing by zero is just about a valid solution at the moment :-P |
| 19:40:13 | t0mas | haha |
| 19:40:49 | t0mas | Postgres had something stupid there too |
| 19:41:03 | t0mas | being able to RAISE but not catch an exception or something |
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| 19:47:33 | Mikachu | why would you insure proper error handling? i could get if you wanted to ensure it.. :) |
| 19:47:58 | Mikachu | maybe it was a pun, i didn't start reading the actual article |
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| 21:42:34 | powerrangersfan1 | hey i only have a ipod for mac formated no windows machine any GUI installer thatwill install rockbox on a mac? also i already have ipodlinux with bootloader2 |
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| 21:43:38 | * | amiconn found the cause of the tetrox crash on archos |
| 21:43:53 | powerrangersfan1 | anyone? |
| 21:44:12 | linuxstb | powerrangersfan1: No. |
| 21:44:17 | amiconn | It's a good match to the link Mikachu posted earlier... |
| 21:44:45 | powerrangersfan1 | oh so only windows formated ipods will work? what link |
| 21:46:12 | linuxstb | powerrangersfan1: Yes, Rockbox needs a FAT partition. |
| 21:46:33 | powerrangersfan1 | oh |
| 21:46:41 | powerrangersfan1 | oh well |
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| 21:49:05 | amiconn | Hmm |
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| 21:49:40 | * | amiconn thinks that 3x4 pixel tetrox blocks would look better on archos than the current 3x3 blocks |
| 21:50:49 | amiconn | 3x4 is an aspect ratio of 1.33, which is more close to the actual 1.25 than the ratio of 1.00 (3x3 block) |
| 21:52:18 | linuxstb | Sounds reasonable to me... Is there room on the screen to increase the block size? |
| 21:53:26 | sharpe | garrr! |
| 21:53:40 | rconan | ?? |
| 21:53:41 | amiconn | Yes there's a bit off room to the left & right |
| 21:55:33 | Hansmaulwurf | just a OT question, is here someone who works with matlab? |
| 21:56:23 | amiconn | Activity table time stamps are still wrong... |
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| 22:02:09 | amiconn | pixelma: Check the latest bleeding edge... |
| 22:02:28 | pixelma | amiconn: will do |
| 22:04:29 | amiconn | viewcvs is severely hosed... tetrox.c doesn't even show up in apps/plugins/ :( |
| 22:04:36 | pixelma | amiconn: is it possible to change only the tetris.rock? |
| 22:05:18 | amiconn | Yes, if you already have a sufficient version installed |
| 22:05:52 | amiconn | You can always try, all that (should) happen is that the plugin loader says "Incompatible version" |
| 22:08:22 | pixelma | it works :) |
| 22:08:37 | * | amiconn expected it to work ;) |
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| 22:24:41 | haradrgon | hey all, anyone around to answer a quick Q |
| 22:24:57 | Bagder | ask and you'll found out! |
| 22:25:08 | XavierGr | oh Bagder you are back? |
| 22:25:21 | XavierGr | how was your holiday? |
| 22:25:25 | Bagder | back with two bazillion unread mails ;-) |
| 22:25:30 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 22:25:36 | Bagder | I had a great week off |
| 22:25:42 | Bagder | in sunny Barcelona |
| 22:25:49 | XavierGr | ouuh sounds nice!!! |
| 22:25:51 | haradrgon | two low tech questions really, I have the Ipod Video. 1. Does Rockbox allow for video playback? 2. Where to I put my music... just make a dir called music and go at it? |
| 22:25:56 | linuxstb | Ah, my girlfriend's home town... |
| 22:26:07 | haradrgon | barcelona... I'm heading there on the 31st. |
| 22:26:14 | Bagder | haradrgon: 1) no 2) yes like that |
| 22:26:17 | XavierGr | 1.no 2.yes |
| 22:26:18 | haradrgon | Well, barcelona, then ibiza, then back to barcelona |
| 22:26:27 | haradrgon | awe... no video playback, that sucks |
| 22:26:38 | haradrgon | but, I can boot to the ipod firmware and do video that way, yes? |
| 22:26:42 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:26:55 | linuxstb | Just hold MENU whilst booting, and the Apple firmware will start. |
| 22:26:55 | amiconn | Bagder: Two things, in case you didn't follow the logs: (1) Activity table time stamps are off, they're supposed to show GMT but do show CEST (2) viewcvs is severely hosed |
| 22:27:00 | haradrgon | the ipod firmware is a bit too perty for me |
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| 22:27:44 | Bagder | amiconn: ok, will look into it |
| 22:28:20 | linuxstb | Bagder: 2) may be because of a new "commitid:" tag that's started to appear in all commits a couple of days ago. This apparently causes problems with viewcvs. Linus was going to look into upgrading viewcvs (see this morning's logs). |
| 22:28:22 | | Join xNibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-78-92.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 22:28:43 | haradrgon | will rockbox be supporting video, in the future? |
| 22:28:49 | amiconn | Linus already checked some things regarding viewcvs, the problem is that it doesn't show all revisions for some files, and (just found out half an hour ago) doesn't show some files at all |
| 22:28:52 | Bagder | haradrgon: the second someone writes the code for it |
| 22:29:01 | haradrgon | lol, gotcah |
| 22:29:17 | amiconn | Linus found that the 'bad' files have some 'commitid' added, which may confuse viewcvs |
| 22:29:43 | amiconn | Perhaps viewcvs needs an update to adapt to some new cvs feature? |
| 22:29:50 | Bagder | most likely |
| 22:30:02 | Bagder | its even called viewcv these days afaik |
| 22:30:19 | linuxstb | Just install svn.... |
| 22:30:20 | Bagder | (since it also speaks svn) |
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| 22:30:25 | linuxstb | :) |
| 22:30:44 | shirour | hi.... anyone here familiar with the DM320 SoC? |
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| 22:31:00 | Bagder | shirour: I doubt you'll find many such ppl here |
| 22:31:12 | shirour | bummer.... |
| 22:31:16 | haradrgon | hrm... got my music transfering... |
| 22:31:17 | macdonalder | haHA, you have not scared me away yet |
| 22:31:22 | haradrgon | gonna need it for the flt to spain |
| 22:31:51 | Bagder | shirour: there's some code available all over for it |
| 22:32:17 | shirour | what kind of code? |
| 22:32:27 | Bagder | linux kernel and u-boot stuff |
| 22:32:34 | shirour | where? |
| 22:32:48 | shirour | and what stuff do i need to change in the source in order ot make mine work? |
| 22:32:52 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 22:32:57 | Bagder | lists several sources |
| 22:33:15 | Bagder | and you do need some skill of your own ;-) |
| 22:34:56 | amiconn | It's called viewvc now |
| 22:35:08 | Bagder | oh right |
| 22:35:40 | flamingcow | ok, oddity |
| 22:35:44 | flamingcow | force tag cache rebuild |
| 22:35:47 | flamingcow | reboot |
| 22:35:49 | flamingcow | it commits |
| 22:35:56 | flamingcow | play a song throught the tagcache |
| 22:36:02 | flamingcow | loads in the player, but doesn't start playing |
| 22:36:16 | haradrgon | hrm... do you guys know of a good software for transfering music, once using rockbox |
| 22:36:27 | haradrgon | I have some other files in each music dir, that I would like to not copy |
| 22:37:04 | flamingcow | reboot again, and it works from then on |
| 22:37:20 | shirour | i jhave skills... i just don't know how far i need to go... |
| 22:37:38 | haradrgon | thx for the info all... work time |
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| 22:37:53 | Bagder | shirour: well you haven't told us anything about what you do or what you want |
| 22:38:27 | shirour | ok.... i'll start: |
| 22:38:42 | shirour | i've hacked the firmware - i can read the boot part and everything |
| 22:38:49 | shirour | i can copy my stuff to the flash |
| 22:39:00 | shirour | but if i destroy something i'm doomed.... |
| 22:39:18 | shirour | the os is of unknown type (esol), and i want linux on it |
| 22:39:31 | Bagder | what target is it? |
| 22:40:11 | shirour | tmx320dm320 |
| 22:40:22 | markun | Are you hacking a DAP? |
| 22:40:23 | Bagder | I meant what player/device |
| 22:40:29 | shirour | m:robe 500i |
| 22:40:46 | Bagder | aha |
| 22:41:16 | markun | Can you enter USB mode when you screw up the firmware on disk? |
| 22:41:18 | Bagder | there are several Linux based dm320 ones with source available |
| 22:41:35 | Bagder | but of course, doing it 100% right the first time isn't an easy task |
| 22:41:55 | shirour | i don't think you can - when the device is stuck the usb interrupt does not respond |
| 22:42:01 | Bagder | if flashing a bad image truly makes a dead unit, I say you need a hw debug tool |
| 22:42:21 | Bagder | like jtag or whatever the tms features |
| 22:42:24 | shirour | that's why i want to keep the original and add some bootloader that allows |
| 22:42:29 | shirour | me to switch between possibilites |
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| 22:46:12 | shirour | but i don't know how to find the serial port address |
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| 22:47:38 | Bagder | well, there's some code to read for you... |
| 22:47:52 | Bagder | most of those are using the same linux/u-boot ports |
| 22:48:02 | Bagder | made by Ingenient |
| 22:48:22 | Bagder | who also happen to sell boards with the chip on |
| 22:48:33 | Bagder | and whose reference design is used by many players |
| 22:48:50 | sharpe | wooo!!!! |
| 22:49:11 | shirour | what od you mean? doyou think all the devices have the same address mapping? |
| 22:49:33 | Bagder | from cold start yes |
| 22:49:34 | shirour | my problem is resolving the i/o address map |
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| 22:49:48 | Bagder | but I'm not sure all the DM320s are identical |
| 22:50:06 | Bagder | this is just stuff I've read |
| 22:50:23 | shirour | where? |
| 22:50:34 | Bagder | that little thing called internet |
| 22:50:54 | Bagder | that wiki page I mentioned points out most of the stuff |
| 22:51:19 | Bagder | the Neuros devel list is really a good place if you wanna hang out where there is dm320 development in progress |
| 22:51:26 | shirour | ok.. |
| 22:51:36 | shirour | thanks...! |
| 22:51:49 | Bagder | some of them have the docs we mere mortals cannot get |
| 22:52:34 | sharpe | bagder, did you know i was porting side to rockbox? or at least, most of it anyway. |
| 22:53:07 | Bagder | side? |
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| 22:53:42 | sharpe | space invaders didactic (?) emulator... |
| 22:54:06 | Bagder | aha |
| 22:54:14 | Bagder | nice! |
| 22:54:26 | sharpe | yeah... i've got a screenshot of it running... |
| 22:54:33 | sharpe | just have to fix some problems in the cpu code... |
| 22:54:49 | sharpe | then it'll be playable... |
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| 22:58:19 | XavierGr_ | does anyone know a decent IRC client with multi-highlighting? Trillian is starting to be annoying |
| 22:58:44 | sharpe | gaim! |
| 22:58:45 | Mikachu | not sure what you mean by multi highlighting but i would probably use xchat if i had to use windows |
| 22:58:46 | sharpe | ahah... |
| 22:58:53 | amiconn | If I only knew what you mean with 'multi-highlighting' |
| 22:59:24 | * | amiconn uses HydraIRC |
| 22:59:25 | Mikachu | but it's a bit tricky to find windows binaries |
| 22:59:33 | obo | KVIrc? |
| 22:59:39 | sharpe | SharpeIrc? |
| 22:59:47 | XavierGr_ | sorry for that. multihighlight = you add a word that is highligted with a colour you define. (you can add as many words as you like) |
| 22:59:57 | * | amiconn tried xchat on windows once |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:15 | amiconn | It crashed a lot |
| 23:00:25 | XavierGr_ | I will try to use both. (and maybe I will try again gaim). |
| 23:01:30 | Bagder | never crashed for me |
| 23:01:36 | Bagder | I use xchat on win from work |
| 23:01:49 | Bagder | not an exciting client, but works for me |
| 23:01:59 | * | rconan uses xchat |
| 23:02:01 | rconan | but on linux |
| 23:02:07 | macdonalder | /version |
| 23:02:10 | macdonalder | oops |
| 23:02:11 | Bagder | I use it on linux too from home |
| 23:02:12 | * | amiconn doesn't like the interface of xchat |
| 23:02:12 | macdonalder | :D |
| 23:02:29 | Bagder | I've never actually tried a GUI irc client I like |
| 23:02:31 | macdonalder | -macdonalder- VERSION xchat 2.6.0 Linux 2.6.16-1.2122_FC5 [i686/3.53GHz] |
| 23:02:32 | macdonalder | ;D |
| 23:02:41 | Bagder | ircII were the days ;-) |
| 23:03:12 | * | rconan wonders how macdonalder did that |
| 23:03:24 | macdonalder | ctcp version |
| 23:03:33 | sharpe | i think i am slightly dyslexic. |
| 23:03:35 | rconan | ctcp version ?? |
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| 23:03:57 | sharpe | i read 21 as 12... |
| 23:04:18 | macdonalder | /version rconan |
| 23:04:32 | macdonalder | just don't do it to other people |
| 23:04:57 | sharpe | and there've been a few times where i was told what i had to pay for something, such as 5.12$, and i realized i was getting 12.50$ out... |
| 23:05:13 | macdonalder | ctcp-ing other people is like pm'ing them without asking... rude and such |
| 23:05:37 | rconan | ok |
| 23:05:39 | amiconn | For some reason the latest builds for Ondio have a noticeable delay between clearing the rockbox logo and showing the file browser |
| 23:05:44 | sharpe | it's the irc version of whispering to people, "i'm stalking you." |
| 23:05:55 | macdonalder | heh |
| 23:06:18 | * | amiconn wonders what causes it |
| 23:07:20 | * | rconan has to go |
| 23:07:21 | rconan | bye |
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| 23:07:32 | sharpe | i think his name was richard! |
| 23:07:54 | macdonalder | haha |
| 23:08:09 | macdonalder | 'sharpe' cookie :p |
| 23:08:26 | macdonalder | oohhh will the hilarity ever cease |
| 23:09:14 | sharpe | because i am a comical genius. |
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| 23:10:12 | amiconn | Hmm, what was the cvs command again to bring the local copy to a specific date+time? |
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| 23:10:46 | Presence | BitchX 4 lyfe and all that. |
| 23:11:02 | markun | amiconn: cvs update -D 'datetime' ? |
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| 23:20:29 | Aghaster | hi |
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| 23:32:04 | * | amiconn blames markun |
| 23:32:34 | markun | Thanks. What did I do? |
| 23:33:18 | amiconn | You introduced the noticeable blank-screen delay between rockbox logo and filebrowser when booting the ondio |
| 23:33:56 | amiconn | (though I did not yet track down how - just that it appeared after your commit) |
| 23:34:18 | amiconn | The commit regading separate remote scroll settings, to be precise |
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| 23:37:26 | markun | damn you XavierGr! |
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| 23:38:26 | preglow | rockbox should sponsor us with every conceivable target so we can test decently!!!1 |
| 23:39:26 | Romanos | i have a small problem with the newer rockbox release for nano. How can i get some more fonts? |
| 23:40:39 | markun | Romanos: on the daily build page there's a link |
| 23:41:08 | Romanos | :( i guess that i will have to see the previous release with the included fonts and replace them over the other one |
| 23:41:33 | markun | no |
| 23:41:36 | preglow | there's a link |
| 23:41:39 | preglow | on the daily builds page |
| 23:41:42 | preglow | says "fonts" |
| 23:41:44 | preglow | download that zip |
| 23:42:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:42:18 | Romanos | ok ok , found it :) |
| 23:42:19 | markun | Romanos: But the fonts of older builds will also work. |
| 23:42:35 | Romanos | no, they wont |
| 23:42:50 | * | amiconn is severely confoozled |
| 23:43:31 | Romanos | i think there is some sort of conflict cause i messed up a few things.. |
| 23:43:58 | Romanos | between rockbox and ipl |
| 23:44:16 | Romanos | for some reason , the crossfeed isn't working |
| 23:44:26 | preglow | crossfeed should work |
| 23:44:31 | preglow | are you sure you just don't notice the effects |
| 23:44:31 | preglow | ? |
| 23:45:03 | Romanos | there is no crossfeed at all any more between the tracks |
| 23:45:09 | preglow | you mean crossFADE |
| 23:45:15 | Romanos | srry |
| 23:45:18 | sharpe | blarblar...r |
| 23:45:33 | Romanos | :P |
| 23:45:51 | linuxstb | Romanos: Maybe your settings have been reset - have you checked crossfade is still enabled? |
| 23:46:03 | Romanos | give me a break guys, i'm having my maths examd tomorrow and my head feels like shit from studying |
| 23:46:14 | markun | preglow: maybe we should rename it to something like speakersim because we get these questions all the time.. |
| 23:46:29 | preglow | yeah, i agree |
| 23:46:35 | preglow | crossfeed is a bit techy |
| 23:46:38 | XavierGr_ | What my remote_scrolling patch did that to ondios? |
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| 23:46:56 | markun | XavierGr_: I also can't imagine what it could be. |
| 23:47:01 | XavierGr_ | How can that be? I only changed scrolling options. Nothing else |
| 23:47:25 | XavierGr_ | Anyway If I am to blame I am really sorry... |
| 23:48:22 | markun | Romanos: don't worry, it's just that you are not the first one confusing crossfeed and crossfade |
| 23:48:30 | markun | Romanos: good luck with the exam |
| 23:48:45 | Romanos | thanx :) |
| 23:51:03 | Romanos | in the new release for nano there's no wps??? |
| 23:51:20 | Romanos | i mean the default one, iamp .. |
| 23:51:39 | markun | iamp's the default one for nano? |
| 23:51:40 | Romanos | well, it's not the default |
| 23:52:12 | Romanos | my head is screwd up, and the last thing i can do right now is translating exactly in my mind from greeek to english |
| 23:52:29 | markun | Romanos: a lot of things are low priority until we release 3.0 |
| 23:53:05 | Romanos | ok, so how can i get iamp wps then? |
| 23:53:13 | linuxstb | We could rename crossfeed to "Rockbox WOW - a special combination of Rockbox audio technologies that creates a thrilling immersive sound experience..." |
| 23:54:44 | markun | RB-WOW |
| 23:55:08 | sharpe | RBWOW |
| 23:55:11 | sharpe | ribow! |
| 23:55:21 | Aghaster | bow |
| 23:55:27 | Aghaster | bow before RB. |
| 23:56:04 | amiconn | XavierGr_: It's a complete mystery to me, but it's a fact |
| 23:56:43 | amiconn | The filebrowser used to appear directly after the rockbox logo vanished. Now there's a noticeable delay during which it shows a blank screen... |
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