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#rockbox log for 2006-05-23

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00:01:45earHertzWhat's the best way to debug rockbox?
00:01:54earHertzthat is, run a debugger on it
00:02:17Aghasterhum, i know there's a debug option in it. but it says (keep out!) beside it, so i never touched it ;)
00:02:39earHertzthanks, but I menat to run gdb or something on teh simulator
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00:03:19markunearHertz: gdb on the sim works fine
00:03:43earHertzmarkun: thanks
00:04:11markunpointing gdb to the rockbox source as well helps
00:04:25markunwith -d
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00:07:15earHertzto what, the top-level dire?
00:08:04markunAnyway, good night guys
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01:17:38Aghastercan rockbox play videos on ipod 4G color?
01:20:11german_snailwhat's the 'status bar'?
01:20:50midkaygerman_snail, the bar at the top of the LCD that shows battery, volume, playback, repeat, shuffle, clock..
01:21:13Aghasterok, and can it play videos on the nano?
01:21:16Aghasteror any other model?
01:21:28midkayonly grayscale videos on the archoses with bitmap LCDs..
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01:39:15Aghasterwill video be implemented in the future?
01:39:35midkaypossibly, but it's not a priority.
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01:42:36chazman24whats up
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01:43:14german_snailuse your cellphone for video haha
01:44:09german_snaili don't think i could endure a movie at 320x240
01:44:36midkaygerman_snail, on the iPod 5G, movie playback is very clear+watchable..
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01:48:38german_snailyeah i have one
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01:57:10RoC_MMthe trick is
01:57:14RoC_MM320x240 is full-screen
01:57:16RoC_MMso you don't notice
01:59:17ze320x240 is pretty close to NTSC and PAL anyway isn't it?
01:59:39Aghasterhum... i think its half ntsc or pal
01:59:48Aghasterisnt it around 640x480?
02:00:59dwihnomidkay: are you using itunes to create the db file?
02:01:45german_snailRoC_MM, don't notice what?
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02:02:58german_snailman i wish there was a wps compiler for pc so i wouldn't have to create a custom wps with the ipod itself
02:03:42RoC_MM320x240 is sucky for a monitor that supports 1024x768 or whatever
02:03:43zeAghaster: well, maybe.. maybe i'm just thinking of VCD resolution
02:03:53RoC_MMbut 320x240 is full-screen on the ipod video so it doesn't look bad
02:03:59RoC_MMit isn't big, but it doesn't look bad
02:04:21Aghasteryeah, because i just googled it
02:04:52german_snailyeah it looks good
02:04:59pixelmagerman_snail: you can use a simple text editor, even NotePad does
02:05:05german_snailguess i'd only really watch it if i was stuck on an aeroplane though heh
02:05:28Aghasteryou are right when talking of vcd
02:05:36german_snailpixelma, yeah, but that means plugging/unplugging usb so many times :/
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02:07:20pixelmain this case you could try and use a Simulator for your specific device (haven't used it myself)
02:07:56german_snailanyone done that with ipod?
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02:10:12pixelmafor example genre9mp3 used it for creating the iCatcher-wps's
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02:11:06flang3rhi everyone, I was going to try rockbox video but the link on the hompage is broken =/ anyone here that has the files for it ^^^?
02:11:45dwihnorockbox video?
02:12:20flang3ryeah, rockbox video file :)
02:12:35flang3rrvf files
02:12:55dwihnoaren't there any example files linked from that page?
02:13:18dwihnojust to make sure... you _do_ have the ancient archos recorder model with a lcd display?
02:13:50flang3rbah, me = n00b
02:14:00flang3rof course I don't hehe sorry
02:14:07flang3rI can't use it then ?
02:14:22flang3rok thanks though :)
02:15:14flang3rbut do you guys know what happenes if I try it on an iPod ?
02:16:26dwihnothe video plugin is not built for the ipod
02:16:32dwihnoanyhow, the plugin would not work
02:16:35dwihnoas simple as that
02:16:52dwihnoI think the video format contains some stuff for sending commands directly to the lcd (I might be wrong on this one)
02:17:11german_snailomfg plasma plugin is so awesome!!
02:17:13dwihnoYou need to use the apple firmware if you want video playback
02:17:38german_snaili'd watch that on an aeroplane.
02:18:27flang3rhehe :D
02:20:38flang3rwould had been pretty amazing what I was going to do heheheh you see, I have an iPod Photo hehe
02:20:59flang3rplay video on that for a little worse FPS than ipodvideo = ownage
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02:21:57flang3rthat is impossible, right ?
02:22:50dwihnoeverything is possible until the opposite is proven
02:23:14flang3rnice ^^
02:23:38flang3rare sourcecodes on rockbox site for plugin ?
02:23:50flang3rfor rvf of course
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02:28:04flang3rnevermind, think I found it :)
02:29:44Falco98JdGordon: i mentioned that bug to hardeep, and he was able to reproduce it using a current official CVS.. so it has nothing to do with the patch luckily :)
02:29:51Falco98i'll let him worry about it from here on out
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02:43:33flang3rI was wondering, does anyone here have all the files for converting avi video files to rvf ?=)
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02:50:33midkaydwihno, the db file for what? iTunes? for movie playback?
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02:51:31dwihnomidkay: the apple fw db browsing file :)
02:51:42dwihnoto enable movie playback using stock fw
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02:51:54midkaydwinho, sure, iTunes does it.. i copy videos to my iPod from itunes. :)
02:52:14midkayhaven't found anything working nice enough to generate the file anyways other than iTunes, which doesn't bug me either..
02:52:52dwihnovideo playback remains to be tested for me ;)
02:53:28midkayoh, so you got one. :) congrats.
02:53:43midkayvideo playback is excellent, IMO.. very smooth and clear.
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02:54:38earHertzmidkay: you can generate with other stuff, but it's a pain
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02:54:55midkayearHertz, i didn't say you couldn't, i said i hadn't found anything reliable, and that i didn't care either way, iTunes doesn't bother me. :)
02:55:14earHertzSome things itunes won't convert. Like realplayer
02:56:03midkayi don't use itunes for converting.. how awful.
02:56:05midkaypainfully slow..
02:56:13dwihnomidkay: I guess I'll have to test it some day
02:56:30midkaydwihno, indeed you ought to, if you have any interest in it. :)
02:57:13earHertzanybody us teh vmware debian to compile?
02:58:52*Aghaster is still working on translating rockbox to Esperanto
02:59:24Aghasteri'm approaching 1/3 of it... lol
03:00:38midkayearHertz, i am..
03:00:44midkayAghaster, er. congrats. :)
03:01:15Aghasterbtw, not all fonts support Esperanto characters
03:01:37earHertzEsperanto, isn't that what nerds learn when Klingon seems too mainsteam to them?
03:01:38Aghasteri'd like to add esperanto character support to "snap" font, do you think this can be done?
03:02:09Aghasterlol, Esperanto is more widespread than Klingon :p
03:02:21Aghasterits the most spoken conlang.
03:02:58earHertzThat's like saying you'rte the sexiest poster on slashdot. it may be true, but it still ain't muxch
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03:03:58Aghasterwell, most people in here are geeks anyway
03:04:18Aghasterwe just don't care about the fact we're geeks, we just are geeks.
03:05:32Aghastermarkun is interested by my translation
03:05:36Aghasterhe speaks Esperanto too
03:05:48earHertzget a room ;)
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03:09:01Aghasterlol, earHertz, look what I said, we're all geeks XD. "Paul_The_Nerd"
03:09:16earHertzHe's a nerd. Not a geek
03:09:45Paul_The_NerdThere's a fairly major difference, especially in the etymology of the terms
03:09:55Aghasterwell, you consider yourself a nerd
03:10:00Aghasterand i consider myself a geek.
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03:11:05LloreanI'm tired of the confusion
03:11:14AghasterTrivia question: Do you know what is Esperanto?
03:11:17LloreanI'm this in the forums, I may as well openly be me here now
03:11:49LloreanEsperanto is a language native to no individual country, designed with the intent of being the "ultimate" language, or at least easy to learn, and suitable for worldwide use, no?
03:11:58Aghastergood answer
03:12:34Aghasterwell, i'm currently working on the Esperanto translation lol
03:12:40dj-fuI've never heard of that.
03:12:43dj-fuis it a sexy language?
03:13:02Aghasterhum, maybe not
03:13:04Aghasterits a conlang
03:13:26dj-fubased on anything in particular?
03:13:41Aghasterif "Mi volas fiki kun vi" is sexy, then it is.
03:13:54Aghasterits based off latin and indo-european languages
03:17:20Lloreanlostlogic: You around?
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03:27:40kijihello i got a problem to download a music from the internet, the website can't download with the accelelator even if i do, have the software like internet download manager, but the web disallow to use this, do you all know how to get this music with another application, not just from the windows cause it's so bored to wait for just one music
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03:28:09dj-fuThis is a channel for Rockbox discussion
03:28:13dj-funot illegal music warez downloading.
03:28:16berryzhello ^_^
03:28:45dj-fukiji: I don't believe warez discussion is permitted on Freenode
03:28:50berryzumm... i got a question
03:29:01kijibut i got this channel from the internet to get more information for anything like this
03:29:06midkayberryz, you don't need to ask if you can ask a question, just go ahead and ask.
03:29:14Lloreankiji: Well, the internet was wrong.
03:29:47kijioh sorry for that , but do you know for another channel or internet to get it?
03:29:55dj-fudon't let the door hit you
03:30:22kijii try, but i can't find it cause there are so much web to discover
03:30:33berryzwell.... i looked around on the website... but i couldnt quite make it out.... is there gonna be a rockbox for the h10?
03:30:51midkayberryz, there isn't now, but anything is possible ;)
03:31:01midkayprobably not soon if at all..
03:31:13dj-funot according to that, anyway
03:31:19kijiwhat is that?
03:31:47midkaydj-fu, not what according to that?
03:32:01dj-funo h10 port, according to that page on the wiki
03:32:13dj-fuThe H10 is mostly the iPod mini with some part's of the H3XX. The major work is the LCD, Power handling, and Button driver. See iRiver H10 Info.
03:32:24dj-fusee here, berryz -
03:32:25Lloreanberryz: It's entirely possible for one to happen, and the _main_ stopping point is getting the firmware on there. The bootloader itself has the potential to brick it, and nobody owns one, and the proper tools the recover it if/when they fail to make a proper bootloader, to do the work. Some programmer out there with an H10, and the money to buy the thing, JTAG interface was it, needs to do that step.
03:32:38midkayright, so it's probably quite doable, but probably not going to happen next week..
03:33:07dj-fubricking things is good
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03:33:24LloreanPeople are _still_ saying sound quality on Rockbox is worse than the retail firmware. These crazy people and their SRS WOW, I suppose.
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03:33:42berryzi think the SRS WOW runs down the battery faster...
03:33:48LloreanIt does.
03:33:54LloreanBut then so does our equalizer.
03:34:08Aghasterwhats SRS WOW?
03:34:40LloreanIt's a filter effect.
03:34:41dj-fucrazy people, lol.
03:34:45dj-fuCrossfeed >*
03:34:51LloreanNothing like crossfeed
03:34:54Aghasterah, crossfeed
03:35:03LloreanIt's more like stereo width increase, plus a bass boost, and a few other subtler things
03:35:05Aghasterhad a hard time trying to translate that word.
03:35:33dj-fuhrm, don't alot of pc chipsets have srs wow?
03:36:05LloreanNot that I know of.
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03:43:22Falco98wait.. paul_the_nerd == Llorean?
03:43:24*Falco98 goggles
03:43:44Falco98[i've been reading, sorry for the retarded reaction time :-P]
03:44:04LloreanI signed up for the forums as Llorean
03:44:11LloreanI'd been Paul_the_Nerd on freenode before
03:46:50LloreanI enjoyed the lack of association between my names here and there for a little while, then one day someone said "Hey, there's this guy in the forums who seems to know way too much to not ever be around here." :)
03:46:59MikachuLlorean: i guess you know about nickserv link
03:47:33LloreanI do now. :)
03:48:32LloreanSince I don't usually need to deal with services anyway, it's not a big deal.
03:52:37Falco98so the one thing i'm curious about is, whose decision is it, ultimately, to decide what new additions, patches, etc, get into cvs?
03:52:58LloreanAnyone with commit access.
03:53:01Falco98(something little such as my "shuffle + trackskip" patch, let's say..)
03:53:34Falco98how many people in general have that level?
03:53:43LloreanI really don't know.
03:54:18Falco98ok :-P
03:54:19midkayFalco98, either way, no new features go into CVS until 3.0 is released..
03:54:26Falco98yeah i figured that
03:54:31MikachuFalco98: look at the frontpage and try to remember the names you see there :)
03:54:33LloreanGenerally if it's something there's the possibility of objections to, it'll be discussed here first. If it's just a bugfix, plugin, or something deemed as needed, if the dev feels the patch is ready he'll often just add it.
03:54:42Falco98ooh: another thing.. how could i get "modify own" on Flyspray?
03:55:20LloreanI think that allows you to set its priority, unclose it, and so on.
03:55:28LloreanDid you need something changed?
03:55:52Falco98i did a few days ago, and someone did the changing for me, but i was more curious just in general
03:55:54*midkay sighed
03:56:07LloreanWhy the sigh?
03:56:14*midkay is trying to get Xobox running on the archos recorders in grayscale..
03:56:15Falco98it'd be nice to have control over my own FR/patches
03:56:29midkayworks, but not fully and quite glitchy.. /me needs amiconn :)
03:57:36LloreanFalco98: The problem is, the ability to modify your won tasks would give you too much control over them from the looks of it. There needs to be a limited modify permission, I suppose.
03:59:10Falco98yeah.. i mean, i don't necessarily need the access level that would allow me to edit other peoples' comments to turn them into death threats or anything, but OTOH it might be nice to trim out some of the fat of an original FR after a patch has been written, or change a FR into a patch, etc
03:59:12Mikachumost bugzillas let any user modify any bug, they usually don't have any problems
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04:00:05midkayyeah, weird that users can't even edit their own..
04:00:21midkayi mean, maybe restrict them from the priority/"due in"/assigned to fields and stuff..
04:00:30midkaybut at least the description and category and type..
04:00:31*Falco98 nods
04:00:40Lloreanmidkay: I think it's that editing your own means full control over it, which means you could change the priority, assignment, due, etc back any time someone else changed it down.
04:00:50*midkay shrugs
04:00:54LloreanI agree they should be able to change _most_ of the things
04:00:55midkaySourceForge let you do that..
04:01:12midkaynobody seemed to fight back, and if anyone did they could simply have it deleted and/or the user could be banned.
04:01:33Lloreanyeah, I guess it'd be better to trust users.
04:01:46midkayright, you could do a lot more with the wiki for example..
04:02:05LloreanI'm just used to the people in the forums. "The core developers have said that X feature is working the way it is intended to, and they do not feel like changing it." Six pages of unhappy comments later, repeat.
04:02:05midkaybetter trust + stop the few abusers than distrust + restrict everyone, i think.
04:02:54Mikachuforums attract stupid people for some reason, i try to stay away from them
04:03:10LloreanYeah. I would too, but I fear that if I did, they'd overflow into someplace more dangerous
04:03:11dj-futhat's so true
04:03:35LloreanAt least at the moment, with a little careful question asking, I can mange to extract usable bug reports from some of 'em.
04:04:08midkaythat's a rarity, isn't it.. :)
04:04:18Falco98"my ipod isn't working! what's wrong??"
04:04:42midkay"dunno, you tell us.. what's happening?" "rockbox says 'dir buffer full'! what do i do?!" :)
04:04:44*Falco98 goes back thru the forums to find how many topics started (and ended) with that exact sentence...
04:04:46Lloreanmidkay: Actually, with the right questions you can get something in most cases.
04:04:58midkayLlorean, surprising :)
04:05:12LloreanThough I don't know how many times I've had to say "Yes, that's very interesting, but of the 7 questions I asked you, it answers none of them."
04:06:01Falco98that reminds me of how i'll send my boss an e-mail with 5 or 6 specific, unrelated questions, and he'll answer the first in a one-word reply, and that's it...
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04:06:41LloreanAnd then you get guys like the fellow who was in here: "Is the path exactly X:\Games\Doom" "Yes" "Could you copy and paste it here?" "F:\Games\Doom" "You're not copying and pasting it from the explorer bar. I know this because I know your path isn't exactly that." "Okay, F:\5. Games\Doom" "See, and what confused you about the word 'exact'?"
04:07:04LloreanFalco98: That's about as common. One yes/no or single word answer, all but one questions ignored.
04:07:25midkayhaha. i hate that.
04:08:10midkay"did you try restarting your device? reinstalling rockbox? was it fixed after you cleared out the .rockbox folder? did rebuilding tagcache fix the problem?" "yes"
04:09:02midkaygood lord, xobox gets hard..
04:09:17midkaydied at level six. :(
04:09:19midkayat like 74%.
04:09:28Mikachui made some changes that i thought made sense but apparently they don't
04:09:37midkayto what, Mikachu?
04:09:46Mikachu;) to xobox
04:09:49midkaywhat changes?
04:11:07*Falco98 wonders aloud what xobox is
04:11:17Mikachu(comments on @@ lines)
04:11:18midkayFalco98, a Rockbox game..
04:11:24Mikachuit makes the game a bit easier :)
04:11:33Mikachuand also removes the possibility for a cheat
04:11:39Mikachuso i guess that makes it harder :P
04:11:40midkayMikachu, what does it do exactly?
04:11:53Falco98oh −− another question.. where does one get the "full assortment" of previously-included themes, etc, now that they aren't included in the dailies?
04:12:12Mikachu@@ -637,12 +649,19 @@ static inline void move_board (void), die if you hit your own trail, stop if hitting a boundary from filled to empty.
04:12:26Mikachuin stock xobox, you can go forward 1 square, then back again
04:12:28Mikachuand it will fill
04:12:37Mikachuwhat it does in every other clones i tried is kill you
04:12:40midkayoh, weird, it had only loaded like the first 20 lines..
04:12:52LloreanFalco98: They're all in CVS still
04:12:53Mikachuie if you run into your own trail you should die
04:13:02Mikachuat least i think he didn't apply it
04:13:03*Mikachu checks
04:13:04Falco98ahh, ok
04:13:19LloreanFalco98: It used to be "All ones that are small enough to fit, or smaller are included" now it's "All that fit exactly" so generally you shouldn't want the ones left out anyway
04:13:20midkayi haven't seen it in cvs, no..
04:13:27Mikachuhm maybe he did after all :)
04:13:33midkayMikachu, really?
04:13:37Mikachui am looking at my own tree
04:13:42Mikachu<- 4am
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04:13:51Falco98i was just wondering how someone would find iAmp, since it's not on the WpsGallery page
04:14:05midkayah, it's in cvs.
04:14:08midkayat least partially..
04:14:33midkayFalco98, by 'it's in cvs' i mean mikachu's xobox changes.
04:14:48Mikachui know he didn't grab all of it at least
04:14:50Falco98ahh whoops
04:14:51midkayMikachu, i want to add life pickups. :)
04:15:19midkayhow do you feel about that, sir?
04:16:13Mikachunow i remember what he didn't add
04:16:23midkaythe hitting-trail bit?
04:16:25Mikachustopping when you reach a fill->empty boundary
04:16:32midkayi rather remember going through my own trail...
04:16:48midkayMikachu, can you clarify that? fill->empty boundary?
04:16:52Mikachuthe cvs server seems to not like me at the moment
04:17:09Mikachuif you are in a big green area, and move towards a black one, my change would make you stop before you enter the black
04:17:11midkayi can go through my own trail, i just tried it.
04:17:22midkayoh, i'd like that.
04:17:29midkaysomewhat annoying how it goes straight through..
04:17:35midkayhave to time it just right.
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04:17:59Mikachuyeah, while the game should require some skill with the buttons, i don't think that part feels good
04:18:36midkayespecially how even just halfway to the last level, you need some serious skill..
04:18:43midkayespecially especially without bonus lives and stuff.
04:18:50LloreanYeah, you shouldn't have to guess how long it takes to get from the edge of the screen to the actual box.
04:19:29*midkay 's eyes dart around for devs
04:19:41midkaypsst.. i could slip that change into cvs..
04:20:00Mikachufor some reason cvs up works fine, but cvs diff just sits there staring at the wall
04:20:19midkayi'd like to change the teal color.
04:20:24midkayi don't like it.
04:20:33Mikachufeh, i'll just link my xobox.c to public_html meanwhile
04:20:47midkaytoo weird.
04:20:48Mikachuyou diff it :)
04:20:56midkaydiff WHAT?!?!?!
04:21:31midkayHOW. HOW. HOWEKLw. HELP.1!@!
04:21:46Mikachuask Llorean
04:21:55midkayheeeeeeeeeeelll naw.
04:23:10*midkay organizes a vote for CLR_CYAN change from awful ugly teal/turquoise to lovely, standard, rockbox default background color: light blue.
04:23:25Mikachuthen it wouldn't be cyan...
04:23:36LloreanCLR_NOTCYAN in the future.
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04:23:37Mikachulet's make it depend on the time of day too
04:23:41midkayLlorean, haha.
04:23:55LloreanOooh... time of day from Sky Blue to Midnight Blue.
04:24:14LloreanPeak at noon and midnight, midpoints at 6es. Not necessarily accurate, but the lazy way out.
04:24:34midkaythat sounds, ah, pretty, ah, uh, stupid actually. :)
04:25:02midkaywell. actuellement..
04:25:12midkayj'aime. j'adore!
04:25:21Mikachulet's make the hilight bar in menus pick a random color on every scroll too
04:25:31midkayMikachu, hahaha, awesome.
04:25:55midkayonly if we can give the colors foreground: BRIGHT green, background BRIGHT red a priority..
04:26:13midkaywe do, after all, want plenty of "my eyes are bleeding" lawsuits.
04:26:40LloreanAs many as possible!
04:26:53midkayyes. like. from every user possible.
04:27:07LloreanTwice per!
04:27:07midkayMikachu, i'd be quite happy to really commit that stop-on-edge patch if i had a diff. :(
04:27:20Mikachumidkay: were you serious about the how stuff?
04:27:22midkayand slap LinusN and bagder with the fines.
04:27:35midkayMikachu, sorta, but i don't really wanna do it!!! DOn't MAKE ME DO it.a :(
04:28:08Mikachudiff -pud xobox.c.cvs xobox.c.mikachu > awesome.patch
04:30:05midkay-pud is short for -pudding, or...?
04:30:29*midkay is checking out fresh cvs because he doesn't want to screw with his existing xobox.c Archos port! :D
04:31:15earHertzquick poll for ipod users: how do you use the scroll wheel? do you do a complete 360 rotation, or do you scroll part-way around the circle, then lift your finger, and and replace it where your scroll started?
04:31:33RoC_MMmostly I don't lift until I'm where I need to be
04:31:54Mikachui rarely need to scroll that far..
04:32:03RoC_MMMy brother likes that if you hit the end of a list, and lift and then scroll down, it will goto the beginning, he says it saves time
04:32:09Mikachudoing full 360 rotations will kill your thumb pretty quickly
04:32:16earHertzRoC_MM: ye, it does
04:32:17midkayearHertz, full 360, unless i need to release, e.g. for end-of-list
04:32:19RoC_MMThat's why I have two Mikachu
04:32:28LloreanearHertz: Full rotations
04:32:32midkaycircle is much nicer than turn lift turn lift turn lift..
04:32:40midkayand quicker.
04:32:41Mikachumidkay: -u is unified, -p puts the containing functions at the end of the @@ lines and -d tries to make the diff smaller
04:32:56Mikachumy biggest dir has 44 files in it
04:33:03Lloreanp is only useful for human readers, right?
04:33:44earHertzMikachu: you never scroll through all tracks or all albums (8500 and 537 for me, respectively)
04:33:50Mikachui think i do full rotations too sometimes
04:33:56MikachuearHertz: like i said, my biggest dir has 44 files
04:34:30earHertzMikachu: try out the id3 cache. It's justy like the apple ipod interface
04:34:39Mikachui know, that's why i don't use it
04:35:02Mikachui don't even have it compiled it *hides*
04:39:38*midkay slaps mikachu.
04:39:48Jd|unihey all
04:39:49Jd|uniany1 know html?
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04:40:44Mikachui know <br>
04:40:55midkayi know <head> and <html>
04:41:08midkaywith our combined knowledge, we could have a page full of line breaks.
04:41:09Jd|uniwhat about formas?
04:41:17midkayimagine des possibilites.
04:41:20Mikachui know forms are evil
04:44:08midkayanyone with a standard xobox build available to test something really quick?
04:44:19*Jd|uni can
04:44:45midkayactually, i'm pretty sure i'm right - can you try moving in some direction, and then pressing the opposite direction on the keypad? e.g. going back the way you came..
04:44:56midkaywith Mikachu's patch, that kills you. i'm 90% sure it didn't before..
04:45:05Jd|uniye, it doesnt
04:45:07Jd|uniit shuold tho
04:45:18midkayah, that's the "die when you eat your trail" thing..
04:45:34Jd|uniwtf?? i just quicka nd the screen has gone blaxck...
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04:45:44midkaywell, i wouldn't mind it so much if it was explicitly eating your trail, but i think just when you're moving along and you press the other direction, it shouldn't hurt you, it should just have no effect..
04:45:45Jd|unibut music i still playing
04:45:54midkayJd|uni, weird..
04:46:42Jd|uniyup.. it didnt crash.. it just turned the screen off...
04:46:50Jd|unior sometihng.. i could manually shutdown
04:47:10Jd|univery reproducable.. just did it again
04:47:11midkayin fact i think a cool mode would be to be able to go back on your trail only when you follow it exactly..
04:47:24midkaye.g. go down, go back up = alright, but go down, left, up, right, crash into yourself = die.
04:47:54midkaydown and back up is a tactic i use all the time. :)
04:48:01midkayon the tough levels..
04:48:17midkaythis kind of requires you to go all the way across or be very very quick in spinning around..
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04:52:07Jd|unigrr.. me ghates regexp... how do i check to make sure a sting only has numbers and () ?
04:55:13Jd|unigrr.. of to my lecture
04:55:17Jd|unicyaz later
04:55:22midkaylaters Jd|uni
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04:56:50flamingcow /^[0123456789\(\)]$/
04:56:53flamingcowin case he comes back :)
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05:05:10TechGuruanyone awake
05:05:34TechGurucan u send me the booy loader..can't find it on google
05:05:45midkaythat's pretty ambiguous...
05:05:50midkayboot loader for.. what?
05:06:09midkayum, model?
05:06:12midkaythey're all different, you know..
05:06:14TechGuruipod video
05:06:24midkayit's attached to the IpodInstallation page.
05:06:25TechGuru30 gig model
05:07:32TechGuru ..
05:07:47midkay.. the IpodInstallation page..
05:07:51midkayare you reading the instructions?
05:08:02midkaywhere from?
05:08:08TechGuruthe pdf
05:08:26midkayuse this instead:
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05:12:44earHertzthis is so bizarre: I'm using cygwin to run unzip to unzip a zip on the virtual debian machine and copy to the ipod
05:13:20earHertzthe virtual debian is samba'd so it's a network drive of teh host windows
05:13:38midkaywhy not just access the zip with windows?
05:13:47earHertzBecasuase compilng is MUCH faster on teh virtual debian machine than using cygwin, teh virtual layer
05:14:05earHertzbecause I prefer to use unzip from the command line
05:15:04midkaywell, then, whatever floats your boat :)
05:16:08earHertzsomehting is wrong −− the debian compile doesn't load on the ipod
05:16:38midkayworks for me..
05:17:35earHertzyou ue the debian vm?
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05:46:33macdonalderjust before I get too far ahead of myself, the cross-compiling instructions on are still accurate?
05:47:19macdonaldersweet, ty :D
05:47:25midkaynp, good luck :)
05:47:51macdonalderheh thanks... I've done this once already and it worked nicely... let's see if lighning strikes twice ;D
05:48:11midkayhaha. should be no prob then :)
05:48:58macdonalderI don't suppose you know if any progress has been made with the 3G port in the last month or two do you?
05:49:49midkaynot much, no..
05:49:59macdonaldermm k
05:50:07midkayi don't think it's too far from being usable, not sure what's holding it up.
05:50:48macdonaldercool yeah, I'm out of school for the summer so I'd figure I'd help if I could
05:50:57midkaygood to hear, got a 3G then?
05:51:03macdonalderdo I ever
05:51:09midkayhaha. :)
05:51:54*macdonalder hopes to be listening to FLAC on his aging iPod sometime before it expires
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05:52:10RoC_MMflac works
05:52:22RoC_MM4g grey /5G fine
05:52:27midkaynot on the 3G, RoC_MM.
05:52:30macdonalder<- 3G :D
05:52:33midkaywhich is the problem, 3G doesn't run..
05:52:43RoC_MMyes 3g is not so hot
05:52:46RoC_MMi have a 3g too
05:52:50RoC_MMgoing to sell it soon
05:52:55LloreanIf I recall 3G doesn't have playback, but you can browse?
05:52:58LloreanOr am I mistaken?
05:53:13midkayLlorean, i'm not sure of the 3G's status exactly, i'm not so sure it even runs..
05:53:14macdonalderyeah, last I built it it ran, but I couldn't play anything
05:53:27macdonalderbut that was at least a month ago
05:53:47LloreanIf its status has changed, it's accidental from work done in other parts then
05:53:48RoC_MMno 3g coder though?
05:54:08LloreanWith the feature freeze, even if there _was_ a 3G coder, things shouldn't be committed for it.
05:54:26LloreanAt least not if theres any chance they'd affect the release targets due to any possible mistakes.
05:55:15macdonalderwell I'm not working from cvs quite yet ;D
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06:07:22Apostle^my nano HD seems to have an error, will formatting it with the apple utility fix it?
06:07:31Apostle^linux tells me the error is in the FAT file cluster or something
06:07:46BHSPitMonkeynano's don't have HD's
06:08:08BHSPitMonkeya restore should heal that...
06:08:14Apostle^how do i restore?
06:08:23BHSPitMonkeyI've dealt with those before, dang bad file transfers
06:08:23Apostle^you are right it is flash memory
06:08:29Apostle^yea a transfer failed
06:08:30BHSPitMonkeyuse the apple utility
06:08:37Apostle^gotta go to friends house
06:08:42Apostle^so just do restore, not format?
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06:08:48BHSPitMonkeythe same program that you use to update
06:08:53BHSPitMonkeyclick on Restore
06:09:01BHSPitMonkeythat completely restores it to its original state.
06:09:12Apostle^i see
06:09:15Apostle^then i can reinstall rockbox?
06:09:43BHSPitMonkeyyou'll have to completely reinstall, though
06:09:47Apostle^eh it's not hard
06:09:51Apostle^a 10 minute process
06:09:57BHSPitMonkeyyou -could- back up the main files from the FAT partition, and format it
06:10:01Jeffimixsimple question, anyone on right now using rockbox on a 1st gen ipod mini and if so, what version of rockbox, I have the newest CVS and it just sits there with the graphical boot screen, doesn't load, "Help I'm a Rock!"
06:10:03BHSPitMonkeyand recopy them
06:10:38Apostle^how do i do that?
06:10:43BHSPitMonkeyJeffimix: the mini port isn't very mature, so you know
06:11:11JeffimixI know, I'm just wondering if anyone has better luck with a different version
06:11:24BHSPitMonkeyApostle^: meh, might as well do a restore, you seem to know what you're doing as far as re-installation.
06:11:36JeffimixI'm not about to say 'fix it' unless I had some money to give you guys
06:11:50BHSPitMonkeylatest version is customarily the best way to go
06:11:52Jeffimixthe firmware runs fine at least
06:12:12Apostle^BHSPitMonkey, yea, the install was easy i got it right the first time
06:12:25Apostle^very good guide written for it
06:12:31Jeffimixyou know... it's scary but your online .pdf manual is bigger than the one I got with my iPod
06:13:18JeffimixI might just backtrack a version or two and see if that works, other people seem to have it running
06:13:22BHSPitMonkeyJeffimix: well, obviously... we have WAY more to offer than the original iPod does :P
06:13:53Jeffimixwell between this and getting it a new battery I think I'm gonna make my linux laptop and my ipod much happier
06:14:57BHSPitMonkeyif you dig linux, give it a shot on the iPod :)
06:15:17BHSPitMonkeyit's more settled down on the mini than rockbox is at this point
06:15:18JeffimixI don't get 'hot and bothered' about having bash under my click-wheel
06:15:36BHSPitMonkeyheh, a person doesn't customarily use a terminal on the iPod :P
06:16:00macdonalderthat's not to say it's unwanted though :p
06:16:03Jeffimixalthough that' be a 'novel' way to add a new screen for error messages
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06:16:41BHSPitMonkeyheh, an external LCD for the lappy?
06:17:13BHSPitMonkeysounds like a neat gimmick of an idea, if only we had communications on the things mastered
06:17:16Jeffimixyeah haha
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06:18:12Jeffimixgah next on my list of OS changes is going back to a slackware derivative instead of Suse 10.1 ..... suse is .... too much like windows
06:18:40Jeffimixbut that's neither here nor there
06:19:04*dj-fu waves from gentoo lan
06:19:13BHSPitMonkeya windows resemblance can likely be blamed on KDE usage...
06:19:28dj-fumhmm. gnome>kde.
06:20:06Jeffimixyeah I'm using Gnome but still.... the whole auto-launching of banshee when I plug in my iPod is eerily reminiscent of how iTunes works....
06:20:07BHSPitMonkeyI guess. still looking for my "right" linux desktop
06:20:58Apostle^ubuntu with gnome is great
06:21:03Apostle^ubuntu with anything lol
06:21:33macdonalderI don't mind fedora that much
06:21:46Jeffimixyeah... I like to try and make linux match me perfectly, plus it gives me reasons to play with my laptop like the toy I wish it to be
06:21:51BHSPitMonkeyI just installed ubuntu
06:22:02dj-fuyech, ubuntu is horrible
06:22:05dj-futry a real mans linux, gentoo
06:22:08BHSPitMonkeyit's not all I expected it to be from the raving.
06:22:20BHSPitMonkeyI'm def. not prepared for gentoo :P
06:22:20dj-futhe whole "linux that works" layer on ubuntu is nothing new
06:22:27dj-fuhald/dbus & pmount have been around for a while
06:22:54dj-fueh, I prepared myself by burning the cd, had no idea. printed out the handbook too
06:23:16BHSPitMonkeygentoo handbook.. sounds like quite an ink/paper expenditure
06:23:24dj-fu@work, of course.
06:23:34BHSPitMonkeyah, haha
06:23:37dj-fuI don't have that kind of ink/paper lying around :P
06:23:42dj-fuwas at least 30 or 40 pages, iirc
06:23:46Jeffimix*hugs his compact laser printer*
06:25:00Jeffimixhow long does rockbox normally take to boot?
06:25:01macdonalderout of curiosity, for the iPod is the apple firmware needed or is it possible to just write the rockbox bootloader to the ipod without merrying it with the apple stuff?
06:25:27dj-furockbox takes <1sec
06:25:46dj-fumacdonalder: afaik, you don't need the apple firmware
06:25:51Jeffimix*slowly walks back down the CVS tree to find one that boots*
06:26:04dj-fubut, that'd be a pain in the ass
06:26:16dj-fuaccording to paul the geek, retail firmware disk-access mode is faster
06:26:27Jeffimixthe online instructions don't mention any other way, seeing as that 40meg boot partition stays regardless it's not really a huge issue, just neat....
06:26:31macdonalderhahaha alright
06:27:06dj-fuyeah, you could just make the image to write to it without te apple firmware, i'm sure.
06:27:24Jeffimixwhat's the harm it's all beta anyhow
06:28:44dj-fui have had minimal beta-style issues, to be honest
06:28:49dj-fulike, none at all
06:28:55Jeffimixokay so um it boots on the 2006-05-19 software
06:29:01Jeffimixbut after that it's a duck
06:29:06dj-fuwhat model?
06:29:17dj-fuI haven't updated mine for a while
06:29:36Jeffimixmini 1g
06:29:44dj-fuI've got a nano :p
06:29:48Jeffimixright now I'm playing chess
06:29:54Jeffimixit's thinking very hard
06:30:08macdonalderoops, too hard! *BOOM*
06:30:23dj-fu'twas a great day when libmad got optimised and I could listen to music w/ crossfeed enabled.
06:30:32Jeffimix*resets* it can't think that hard I'm way too interested in getting some ogg's on it
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06:32:05Jeffimixwell that's a unique way to handle usb connections
06:32:39Jeffimix... whatever works
06:32:45Jeffimixthat may be an issue without the apple firmware ;)
06:34:54Apostle^has the nano battery life gotten better recently
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06:42:04Jeffimixgag, no matter what software revision I use it likes to freeze on boot.... so why did the size jump down a little while ago from like 1.megs to .9 megs?
06:42:22LloreanJust removal of fonts
06:42:29Jeffimixah, okay
06:42:38LloreanSince they're never really updated, there was no reason to force users to download 'em every time
06:43:19LloreanThey're available on the daily build page though, so if there are changes they can be downloaded
06:43:32Jeffimixshould I get the old package then if I want lots of fonts?
06:44:13LloreanJust get the fonts package from the daily build
06:44:23LloreanThere's a specific fonts package that has all the ones we used to include.
06:49:25Jeffimixhmmm bit of load lag but it seems to handle VBR oggs
06:52:11Jeffimixhow do I scrub in a file?
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06:54:12Jeffimixbut anyhow, listening to OGG files with an open-source jukebox OS, listening to the free album I downloaded with torrent (legally!) ..... now this is how the 21st century should be
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06:55:21Lloreanscrub in a file?
06:55:33Jeffimixyeah, like, move back and forth
06:55:57JeffimixI'm not really playing around I just wanna see if it can live through the album at the moment...
06:56:02LloreanPress and hold Left or Right
06:56:11Jeffimixah, okay, makes sense
06:57:43Jeffimixit doesn't skip between tracks, nice
06:58:09Jeffimixanyhow I like what I hear, thanks you guys
06:58:10LloreanWell, it's not supposed to.
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06:58:29Jeffimixwell it works right ^_^
06:58:45JeffimixI should just print the manual
06:58:49hioudafyHi guys
06:59:01LloreanIt could be a good idea. Or at least the IpodFAQ wiki page.
06:59:16hioudafywhat are talking about now?
06:59:29hioudafylet me know
06:59:43EbErTcan you tell me what will be lots when i update my rockbox onto a newer daily build?
06:59:53Jeffimixoh I'm just using the irc channel as a complaint board while installing rockbox on my mini
07:00:06EbErTi guess i'll have to move my .wps files
07:00:06LloreanEbErT: If the settings block version has changes, your settings will clear. If you save them to .cfg first, you can load it, and nothing will be lost
07:00:20macdonalderheh alright, I'm already out of it... I've made and installed the bootloader, I'm totally lost on how I'm supposed to make the filestructure that goes in the fat partition...
07:00:23LloreanTo upgrade you just copy everything over the old stuff, you don't need to delete the .rockbox folder
07:00:45Lloreanmacdonalder: Extract onto the FAT partition. That's it, as long as you tell it to preserve directory tree
07:00:53EbErTso that way it will leave the files i've added- fonts and such
07:00:57macdonalderI was hoping to build it from cvs
07:01:07LloreanEbErT: Exactly
07:01:19Lloreanmacdonalder: After running "make" run "make fullzip"
07:01:22EbErTok, thx!
07:01:27LloreanThen extract that zip onto your player
07:01:35macdonalderahhh fullzip, awesome :D
07:02:41macdonalderand for debugging, it would probably be wise to to a devel build with log files?
07:03:26LloreanI don't know if it logs to files, actually.
07:03:31*EbErT thinks playlist folders should be shown at the same time as id3 tag database
07:03:42EbErTwhere should i suggest that
07:03:48LloreanIt's been suggested
07:04:05EbErTand i wish i could get it to cache all my tags :/
07:04:12LloreanWhat's it missing?
07:04:17EbErTsomething's corrupted, hangs up
07:04:37EbErTi used something else that categorizes them via tags, and deleted the ones it couldn't handle
07:04:50EbErTwhich helped it to load more, but not fully
07:05:10EbErTguess a corrupted song, wish it could tell me where
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07:08:12Jeffimixhow does rockbox's battery use compare to normal ipod, it's unfair to compare on my old dieing battery
07:08:28LloreanRockbox drains the battery far more quickly at the moment.
07:08:45LloreanThough on grayscale ones like the Mini, it's actually much better than on the colour ones
07:08:49Jeffimixah okay... heh
07:09:10LloreanI think battery life on the grayscale iPods isn't bad. Still not as good as the original firmware yet, but not actually _bad_ like on the color ones.
07:09:13Jeffimixyeah well I gotta replace my battery anyhow, so if it lives through the album I'm content....
07:09:21huifyadigbull shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07:09:31Jeffimixwill rockbox freak if I plug it into the wall?
07:09:36Jeffimixhe got mad!
07:09:42LloreanHold Menu while doing it.
07:09:50LloreanOtherwise it tries to reboot into USB mode
07:10:27Jeffimixsetting it to not flash the light on all the time would save battery life, heh
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07:12:21Jeffimixanyhow, I vanish
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09:04:34amiconnLinusN: How would I use rockbox' simulated file code from simulator code (in uisimulator/sdl/ ) ?
09:04:59LinusNamiconn: eh?
09:05:15amiconnIf I just use it, it works, but of course I get warnings (implicit declaration of blah)
09:05:25amiconnI cannot use #include "file.h"
09:05:33LinusNwhat exactly are you trying to accomplish?
09:05:45amiconnI have a working screendump for th eplayer sim
09:06:20amiconnI need sim_creat(), write() and close()
09:06:40amiconnI could just hack around and declare them myself...
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09:08:42amiconnDo you have a better idea?
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09:11:37courtcheh, looks like rockbox has new fan:
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09:13:14Equinoxok guys, successful
09:13:24Equinoxwe spammed ipodlonix for an hour
09:13:35Equinoxthat idiot courtc doesn't even know how to ban
09:14:17Equinoxhuge success imo
09:14:36Equinoxbtw, learn to ban idiot
09:14:44courtcOr... entire waste of time.
09:14:56Equinoxhuge success imo
09:14:57Equinoxbtw, learn to ban idiot
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09:15:59ralhi all
09:16:26rali need help with rockbox on ipod 4G
09:16:41Equinoxyou want us to do it in #ipodlinux again?
09:16:43Mode"#RockBox +b *!*@* " by LinusN (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
09:16:56crwlugh, stupidity really is abundant...
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09:17:49ralit worked OK but yesterday it boots and shows "scanning disk" repeatedly
09:18:02ralit works OK in "disk mode" with my PC
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09:18:43shriphanii need help
09:18:47LinusNral: how long did you wait while it showed "scanning disk"?
09:19:14shriphanii put in two songs by black sabbath and none of them are displayed
09:19:16ral10-15 minutes.. it goes to sleep mode still with this message
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09:19:49LinusNshriphani: black sabbath is not allowed by rockbox :-)
09:19:51shriphanialthough the original apple firmware displays them
09:20:00shriphaniit isnt ?
09:20:08LinusNshriphani: rockbox doesn't read the itunes database
09:20:09shriphaniwhat has it got against them ?
09:20:10crwlLinusN, incorrect! I just listened two albums through yesterday!
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09:20:26LinusNcrwl: file a bug report ;-)
09:20:34Acksawgot an exam in 20 mins
09:20:37Acksawwish me luck :D
09:20:39shriphanino i put an ABBA in it and that is displayed but blacksabbath isnt
09:20:43LinusNgood luck, Acksaw
09:20:55ralgood luck Acksaw
09:20:56LinusNshriphani: you use tagcache?
09:21:22LinusNperhaps you need to rescan
09:21:43shriphanii did that
09:21:49shriphanii forced tag cache update
09:21:58LinusNi'm no tagcache user myself, so i don't know much about it
09:22:15shriphanibut ABBA is displayed
09:22:16LinusNit could be that rockbox has problems reading the tag of those files
09:22:19ralsorry i lost connection. Libus did yo saif anything to me?
09:22:20shriphaniwhy isnt blacksabbath
09:22:37LinusNral: no, i didn't
09:22:59LinusNshriphani: perhaps the black sabbath files are tagged differently somehow
09:23:12shriphanii tagged then in itunes
09:23:16rali tried to google with this problem but didn't find anything appropriate :(
09:23:26shriphaniabba was tagged in itunes but it has no problems
09:23:42ralshriphani, are they DRMed?
09:23:50shriphaniwhat is that
09:23:59peturbought with itunes
09:24:00amiconnThe playersim screenshot is in uisimulator/sdl/lcd-charcell.c I had to put it there because the only bitmap representation of the simulated player screen is the sdl surface, so the screendump code needs to access it
09:24:03raldid you buy them through Itumes Music store?
09:24:27Acksawthanks all :)
09:25:06LinusNamiconn: i don't think there is a "clean" way to do it
09:25:25ralLinus, is there any way to reset ipod 4G to default settings with rockbox, like iRiver?
09:25:41petural: boot with hold on
09:26:11ralpetur, menu+select and hold button on?
09:26:47peturjust make sure hold is on when rockbox boots
09:27:25ralit worked! thanks a lot mate!
09:29:36ralbye all!
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09:47:58peturLinusN: I saw there are two eeproms in the h300, do we know how both are connected?
09:50:18amiconnAfaik one is the config eeprom for the usb-ata bridge, the other is probably used as config storage by retailos
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09:50:32amiconnIt's hooked up to the same i2c lines as the pcf50606
09:50:58amiconnThe h1x0 also has 2 eeproms, only the 2nd one has half the capacity
09:51:25peturso if we messed up pcf50606 comms, we could be accessing eeprom?
09:51:40peturas in 'glitches'
09:52:42amiconnThe eeprom has a different bus address
09:53:23peturbut if our driver would mess up, we could address the wrong chip
09:54:06peturI have been trying different stuff to see what could be corrupting retailos settings, but nothing did
09:54:21peturso I guess it must be a glitch in the comm
09:55:26*amiconn wouldn't know when retailos settings get messed up
09:56:03peturso I was trying different functionality to try to pinpoint it
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09:56:13amiconnIf there were a glitch in the comm, we would have more problems than just messing up the eeprom
09:56:56peturit would probably need only one write in 10^xxx accesses to screw it
09:57:23amiconnI didn't check the datasheet, but I would expect the eeprom needs a certain command sequence for writing
09:57:53peturyes, I'd expect that, I'll need to look at that
09:57:53amiconnIt's highly unlikely that a glitch would change the address to that of the eeprom, change the command to 'eeprom write' *and
09:58:15amiconnfulfill other conditions necessary for a successful write
09:59:41peturstill its contens can get corrupted, which is also highly unlikely *but* happening
10:01:38amiconnargh! red!
10:02:01*amiconn wonders why gcc 4.x stumbles upon mode_t, while gcc 3.4.4 doesn't even throw a warning
10:02:22peturGermany, 22 points :P
10:02:34amiconnpetur: Are you sure the eeprom contents gets corrupted?
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10:03:06peturretailos can get all borked (completely wrong settings)
10:03:27peturHad it myself, others have had it too
10:03:32preglowslasheri has some eeprom code
10:03:38preglowi think
10:04:06peturmaybe we should read and hash it as easy check
10:04:56amiconnpreglow: Slasheri's code probably won't work on h300
10:05:07preglowis it only h3x0 that has the problem?
10:05:43peturhave only heard of it from h300 users
10:05:47amiconn..because in the h300, the pcf50606 and the eeprom share the i2c bus
10:06:06preglowright, then i find it more understandable
10:06:15amiconnInstead, we should be able to use the pcf50606 i2c driver to access the eeprom
10:06:30amiconn(with a different device address)
10:06:37*petur has the feeling we already do :)
10:06:47*amiconn doesn't
10:07:00*amiconn doesn't care too much about retailos settings either
10:07:16petursome users do
10:07:33peturand if we cause this, it's a bug
10:07:39preglowno shit
10:08:06markunpetur: can't you dump the eeprom and do it again after a week of using rockbox. See if they are the same.
10:08:16amiconnYes of course it would be a bug - if it really happens
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10:39:51MrShleeAny chance of Rockbox supporting m4a? or is the codec closed?
10:40:40markunm4a is a container, not a codec
10:40:44markunWe have support for it
10:41:43linuxstbMrShlee: Rockbox supports both Apple Lossless and AAC in m4a. However, it needs more work from an interested developer.
10:43:43MrShleeaudioMPEG-4 AAC LC, 168.739 secs, 253 kbps, 44100 Hz
10:43:53MrShlee.. that makes sense
10:45:04linuxstbThe AAC decoder in Rockbox is very slow - it probably won't be able to decode a 253kbps file in realtime.
10:49:01preglowprobably? it has no chance at all
10:50:45MrShleeyeah, it doesn't even try.. just skips to previous song in the que
10:53:11linuxstbpreglow: At least until the gigabeat port is working....
10:53:53linuxstbMrShlee: There are also bugs in the .m4a parser.... - I'm guessing you didn't use itunes to encode the file?
10:54:10linuxstbSo all in all, it's in a bit of a sad state.
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11:09:21__guillaume__hello all
11:09:53__guillaume__I have some problem with rockbox and the voice possibility
11:10:20__guillaume__when I play a song and i want to return to the main menu rockbox freeze
11:10:27__guillaume__with an error message :
11:10:59__guillaume__at 00000010
11:11:22LinusN__guillaume__: which player model?
11:11:34preglowcoldfire, apparently
11:11:51__guillaume__an iaudio X5
11:12:04LinusNwhich rockbox build?
11:12:23__guillaume__the daily build
11:12:29__guillaume__of today
11:12:34LinusNfrom today?
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11:13:08LinusNyou are playing an mp3 file?
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11:21:39amiconnWhy doesn't nautilus have a file search function, like windows explorer?
11:21:56*amiconn is still fighting with the grep syntax
11:23:37__guillaume__amiconn: you can use the file search program of gnome or locate !
11:23:58__guillaume__LinusN: you don't have any idea
11:24:21__guillaume__nobody have the same problem ?
11:24:27LinusN__guillaume__: not really, have you tried a complete reinstall?
11:24:37LinusNi haven't used voice on the x5
11:24:56__guillaume__erase the folder and copy it
11:25:34LinusNyes, unzip the file again
11:25:48__guillaume__ok I will try
11:25:55LinusNdon't remove the old .rockbox directory
11:26:06LinusNthen you will lose the voice file
11:26:10__guillaume__ok i have do that this morning
11:26:39linuxstbamiconn: If you right-click on the toolbar panel in Gnome and select "Add to panel", you can add the "Search Files" icon.
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11:27:30__guillaume__and i have alway the problem
11:27:46BCMMis there a version of voicebox for linux? does the windows one run under wine?
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11:31:20__guillaume__LinusN: is there any solution to stop playing a song
11:31:31__guillaume__in the iaudio X5
11:31:38LinusNhold Play/Pause
11:31:45__guillaume__ok thx
11:31:53amiconnBCMM: Most probably not (voicebox needs SAPI, and I highly doubt wine handles SAPI)
11:31:57__guillaume__maybe it tempory soluce the pb
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11:32:18amiconnEvene if it did, you most probably don't have any voices installed
11:32:25BCMMamiconn: ok
11:32:28amiconnPerhaps it's possible to install sapi 5 in wine?
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11:33:06BCMMi think it would be better to port it... festival is better than MS's synthesizer, and lame is available on linux
11:33:08BCMMoh well
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11:33:27preglowgood question..
11:33:37LinusNis festival better? in what way?
11:34:00preglowit's fair quality, though
11:34:17preglowjust like the windows one
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11:43:48__guillaume__LinusN: I have the same error when I stop the song
11:43:57__guillaume__an mp3
11:44:10__guillaume__when I hold the play/pause button
11:44:35LinusNi thought that bug was fixed, but it seems i'm wrong
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11:45:17__guillaume__if I can help you to fix it
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11:51:34__guillaume__LinusN: you know why it's append ?
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11:52:13LinusN__guillaume__: there are many problems with voice playback on all platforms
11:53:12__guillaume__it is the first time I use this fonctonnality
11:53:41__guillaume__I install it for a blind people
11:54:00LinusNwe are working on solving those problems
11:54:51__guillaume__If I can help you, I am a dev
11:55:43__guillaume__I have to install the developpement environnement
11:56:06__guillaume__is there any documentation on the rockbox code ?
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11:59:51__guillaume__with an archox the blind user I have meet was very satisfying
12:01:45LinusNthe archos is very different
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12:36:30amiconnLinusN: The commit times are off...
12:36:56amiconnThey are supposed to be shown as GMT, but actually show CEST
12:37:12amiconn(on the frontpage)
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12:47:20tucozhello, how do you think we should solve the wps-naming issue? That is, different font for different targets. (iCatcher)
12:48:04tucozname them iCatcher-h300, iCatcher-archos or iCatcher-resolution?
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12:48:24Genre9mp3maybe, iCatcher.resolutio.font.wps ?
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12:48:38tucozor make the script handle it?
12:48:59Genre9mp3Well yes, modifying the script will be better...
12:49:17tucozI've heard that preglow loves perl
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12:49:35tucozwell, I do to. But, I am not that good with perl
12:50:32LinusNisn't it iCatcher-resolution today?
12:51:01Genre9mp3LinusN:I've updated the files to the new wps system
12:51:06LinusNiCatcher.160x128x1.wps etc
12:51:09tucozYes, but if we add it to the WPSLIST file we need to define different fonts for differnet resolutions
12:51:17Genre9mp3They are now : iCatcher.resolution.wps
12:51:18tucozand the script doesn't handle that
12:51:21lostlogicLinusN: btw −− I have that semaphore stuff coded, and it works unchanged for normal audio playback, but I haven't managed to do voice tests on it, so I can't commit it.
12:51:46LinusNlostlogic: send me a patch
12:52:01tucozthe buildscript uses the resolution of iCatcher.resolution
12:52:04LinusNi have only icatcher.wps in my WPSLIST
12:52:28tucozyes, but how do you define different fonts for the different targets then?
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12:52:57LinusNhmmm, now i understand
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12:53:23Genre9mp3Also, because of the different fonts, the rwps for H100 and H300 are different
12:53:44LinusNbtw, i like icatcher, but i don't really like that it has the song title on the bottom row
12:53:52tucozit hasn't :)
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12:53:58LinusNmine has
12:54:03tucoznot the new one
12:54:08Genre9mp3LinuN: I made a major update on this, I think you should check...
12:54:12LinusNoh, is it in the tracker?
12:54:17tucozOh, you mean the next track?
12:54:47LinusNlove it
12:55:49tucozGenre9mp3, is the blue one in the default pack?
12:56:06LinusNok, so we need a way to specify the font for different lcd sizes
12:56:23Genre9mp3LinusN: correct
12:56:37Genre9mp3also specify different rwps for H100 & H300
12:56:37tucozok. I think we should have the blue theme in CVS
12:57:08german_snailwhat's iCatcher?
12:57:17tucoza wps/theme
12:57:20LinusNisn't the h100 and h300 lcd the same size?
12:57:31german_snailoh for which device?
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12:57:36LinusNremote lcd
12:57:36tucozall targets
12:57:45Genre9mp3yes but, H100 uses different font than H300
12:57:51german_snailhmmph, url?
12:57:54amiconnAh, yes, the remote lcd is teh same
12:57:56LinusNah, yes
12:57:58preglowlinuxstb: we can't currently detect if we've got an actual usb signal, no?
12:58:01Genre9mp3and the font is the same for both main screen and remote screen
12:58:06LinusNi see
12:58:21Genre9mp3so the rwps are different...
12:58:22tucozgerman_snail, that is a screenshot. You find the theme in the tracker
12:58:46Genre9mp3This of course doesn't happen with UniCatcher versions (all themes use unifont)
12:58:48german_snailGenre9mp3 *bow*
12:59:10LinusNi suggest a new dir layout for the wps module
12:59:21tucozagain ;-)
12:59:30Genre9mp3LinusN: such as?
12:59:34LinusNwhere each WPS has its own WPSLIST
13:00 each WPSLIST define different font, right?
13:00:27Genre9mp3and what about the remotes?
13:00:55Genre9mp3How the compiler know which one of thenm include in the H100/H300 builds?
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13:01:52LinusNisn't the rwps in the WPSLIST file as well?
13:02:36Genre9mp3but the rwps files should have a different name...
13:02:48linuxstbpreglow: Apart from copy/pasting the IPL code, I haven't really investigated. You could try adding the value of the USB_STATUS register to the GPIO debug screen and see if you can spot anything. Do you have an AC adapter?
13:03:05LinusNi see in your zip that you don't use separate subdirs for different resolutions
13:03:31Genre9mp3Yes, this is due to the new wps system
13:03:50LinusNthe new wps supports that
13:03:57Genre9mp3So don't have to have the same bmps in each dir
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13:04:14Genre9mp3you refer to your latest commit?
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13:04:38LinusNwith that system, you might have to have the same bmp in several dirs though
13:04:41Genre9mp3I just updated to match Cassandra's changes...
13:04:50preglowlinuxstb: no, but i know a guy that does
13:04:53preglowlinuxstb: good thinking..
13:05:02Genre9mp3So there aren't any duplicates
13:05:33LinusNis the same bmp used for several resolutions?
13:05:49Genre9mp3Not all, but many...
13:05:54LinusNi see
13:05:59tucozDoes duplicates matter for now?
13:06:06tucozExept in the source-tree
13:06:34LinusNduplicates are inconvenient for the developer
13:06:48tucozthat is true
13:06:56Genre9mp3The new system reads the contents of the wps file and include only the bmps that are preloaded (in the builds)
13:07:22Genre9mp3So there aren't any bmps that are not necessary in the builds
13:07:31LinusNand with my latest commits, it looks for the bitmaps in icatcher/<resolution>/ I have to update the files, again?
13:08:03LinusNif it can't find them there, it looks in icatcher/
13:08:36LinusNthe nice thing about the separate directories is that the WPSLIST file could be there as well
13:08:52LinusNicatcher/320x240x16/WPSLIST etc
13:09:01Genre9mp3Yes but then you'll have duplicates bmps
13:09:16Genre9mp3what about making WPSLIST.resolution files?
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13:12:03senabdoes anyone know the resolution of the ipod colour screen?
13:12:12senabis it 220x176x16bit?
13:12:37linuxstbNice feature request... "I believe untill iTunesDB parsing is supported for iPod, rockbox cannot be effectively used."
13:13:55Genre9mp3LinusN: about the rwps iCatcher.128x64x1.H100r.wps & iCatcher.128x64x1.H300r.wps Ok?
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13:17:37LinusNi guess
13:17:56LinusNmaybe one WPSLIST for each wps would be sufficient
13:18:20LinusNand that file would have many entries, one for each resolution
13:18:40Genre9mp3LinusN: yes, it's better this way I guess
13:19:10LinusNthen the script would look for a WPSLIST file in each directory
13:20:07senabwhen i was making my wps, i was wondering, when is the stop button displayed?
13:20:19LinusNi like the blueish theme, but it would be even nicer if the rockbox-yellow would be there somewhere
13:20:40LinusNsenab: actually, it is never displayed
13:20:48senabi was thinking that
13:20:51Genre9mp3LinusN: I will make all additional colour themes...
13:21:02senabbecause i've never seen it
13:21:04LinusNapart from for a split second when stopping the music
13:21:21senabso it's a bit of a waste of buffer space
13:21:29Genre9mp3A nice idea would be to let people download different colours from the site...
13:21:31LinusNGenre9mp3: i mean a tad of yellow in the blueish theme
13:21:47LinusNsenab: yes, currently
13:22:04LinusNi sustect that this will change in the future
13:22:16Genre9mp3LinusN: a tad of yellow?
13:22:23LinusNso that the wps can be visible with the music stopped
13:23:06senabi suppose so, but there is so stop function at the moment is there
13:23:15LinusNGenre9mp3: ignore me, i just felt like ot would have been nice to have more than one color shade in the wps
13:23:29LinusNlike having the rockbox logo in there somewhere
13:23:31senabit's either paused, or playing
13:23:49LinusNsenab: are you talking about x5?
13:24:06senabnope ipod g
13:24:32Genre9mp3LinusN: a rockbox logo would "overload" the theme, especially on small screens, i think...
13:24:33LinusNall rockbox targets can stop the music, afaik
13:24:40LinusNGenre9mp3: possibly
13:24:57tucozThe rockbox logo will make the wps look crowded. But maybe a bit of yellow somewhere would look nice.
13:25:12senablinus: hmmm, 'll have to do some digging
13:25:18LinusNGenre9mp3: it will be sooooo nice when the rest of rockbox can be themed in this way
13:25:35LinusNsenab: it usually involved holding the pause button
13:26:28Genre9mp3So, is there something you want me to do at the moment?
13:26:48senablinus: you right (
13:26:57LinusNGenre9mp3: not really, i think
13:27:08preglowlinuxstb: weird stuff happens to USB_STATUS when plugging, but nothing that differs between usb/power cable
13:28:28Genre9mp3BTW, yesterday I created a Gigabeat wps...
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13:29:19linuxstbpreglow: Do the GPIO ports show any differences?
13:29:51senabi'm not the greatest fan of helvetica unaliased
13:30:29LinusNbtw, how is the iriver h100/h300 remote support nowadays?
13:31:08Genre9mp3AFAIK, the H300 LCD buttons don't work as they should
13:31:10*amiconn wonders why LinusN is asking this
13:31:32amiconnAfaik you do have both a h1x0 and a h300 and the respective remotes...
13:31:34*LinusN answers that he doesn't use the remote
13:31:34peturforum complaints?
13:31:34preglowlinuxstb: yeah, gpio_l, but that's also the same
13:31:44LinusNpetur: yes
13:32:08amiconnAfaik the h300 joystick directions are switched in the browser, but that's it
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13:32:16LinusNamiconn: i see
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13:33:30linuxstbpreglow: I suppose the place to look is usb_init() in firmware/usb.c - but that's the usual cryptic sequence of inl() and outl() commands...
13:33:50amiconnWe need the button action concept for fixing this. There's way more to it than I first thought :/
13:33:57preglowlinuxstb: god, it's even worse than usual
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13:34:17LinusNamiconn: ouch, with 6 days to go...
13:35:04amiconnI would ignore that for now. It's a minor problem, and it seems we can't release for H300 anyway :(
13:35:27LinusNmaybe not
13:35:37preglowlinuxstb: any idea why all that stuff is needed? it just reboots anyway..
13:35:58LinusNi scratched my head last night, measuring the power consumption
13:35:59linuxstbpreglow: You could try displaying 0xc50001a8 in the debug screen (4 bytes higher than USB_STATUS)
13:36:10linuxstbpreglow: No idea at all - I just blindly copied it.
13:36:24amiconnLinusN: Any chance to get at least partial H300 schematics?
13:36:40LinusNthat's my current plan
13:36:48amiconnWould we need to sacrifice a (defective) H300 in order to make them?
13:36:55LinusNi have been avoiding it
13:37:07LinusNi have a clean h300 pcb
13:37:12amiconnIirc you did that for the H1x0
13:37:49LinusNi have done the same woth the h300, but i haven't traced much more than the absolutely necessary stuff so far
13:38:34LinusNmainly because it's so tedious and time consuming work
13:39:07LinusNi put so much work in the h100 schematics, and didn't fell like doing it all over for the h300
13:39:26LinusNbut it looks like that was a mistake
13:40:01preglowneed to unsolder everything bit by bit and trace, yes?
13:40:17LinusNi have unsoldered the large chips
13:40:54LinusNso there is nothing that stops me, only lack of time and motivation
13:41:03LinusNmostly time
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13:53:59linuxstbpreglow: Have you tried removing all the code in usb_init() ?
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13:59:53pixelmahi, I just wanted to let you know that the tetrox plugin is broken on Archos Ondio
14:00:36linuxstbBroken, how?
14:00:42pixelmaWhen starting I get the following error) I09: CPUAdrEr at 091F812E
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14:01:28pixelmaI experienced it first with a build from May 15th, but I got myself a bleeding edge build and it's still there
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14:44:40JdGordonis gonna be added?
14:45:50amiconnLinusN/ Bagder/ Zagor: viewcvs seems to have problems...
14:46:37LinusNin what way?
14:46:52LinusNJdGordon: yes
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14:48:07JdGordonok :)
14:51:15LinusNamiconn: what's the problem with viewcvs?
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14:56:26amiconn(1) doesn't show lcd-charcell.[ch] (2) If you manually go to (or from the front page), it doesn't show revisions 1.4 and 1.5
14:56:51amiconnMaybe this is not the only affected file...
15:00:50linuxstbI don't know what it means, but "cvs log" is showing a "commitid:" entry for those recent changes to lcd-charcell.c It also appears in apps/plugins/xobox.c - which is also out of date in viewcvs
15:10:09JdGordonquick regexp q.. can any1 give me the regexp for only numbers and () please? my brain is off atm
15:10:35ashridah[0-9\(\)] ?
15:10:58JdGordonbut that will still work if there is letters before or after it wont it?
15:11:58JdGordonive got ([^a-zA-Z]+[0-9\(\)]) which doesnt seem to work
15:12:09JdGordon([^a-zA-Z]+[0-9\(\)])* sorry
15:15:50midkayJdGordon, someone gave it right after you left yesterday
15:16:27JdGordoniv simplified the problem abit and its workking now..
15:17:20Mikachudo you want something like 2342)234(29 to match?
15:17:25Mikachuor only (234165) ?
15:18:24JdGordonits supposed to be only the 2nd.. but either works... its good enough
15:18:45JdGordonim just doing ... "unless ($phone =~ /[a-zA-Z]/)" which is close enough
15:19:13JdGordon..hopefully.... its worth like 0.5% so i dont care that much
15:20:04linuxstbI'm sure Google will find you regular expressions to match phone numbers.
15:20:11linuxstb(If that's the problem)
15:20:23Mikachudoing your homework on irc, not a good ide
15:20:34JdGordonmeh.. why not?
15:29:33LinusNlinuxstb, amiconn: i wonder why those "commitid" strings are there
15:29:50LinusNcvsweb seems to have problems with them
15:33:11LinusNamiconn: are you using cvsnt?
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15:34:47BCMMdoes anyone know of a way to use festival to generate voice clips for songs? I can only find references to scripts to generate menu voice clips
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15:35:28LinusNi believe there is a script in the patch tracker
15:35:48jd_JdGordon, could "test test(3456)chunky 45)bacon".scan(/\([0-9]*\)/) be what you're looking for?
15:35:53linuxstbLinusN: I noticed the recent commits from midkay have them as well - e.g. apps/plugins/xobox.c, and also markun - apps/lang/english.lang
15:36:01jd_(returns "(3456)")
15:37:04JdGordonjd_: thanx.. close but no... i acxtually need to make sure the user is giving a valid phone number... im happy with my "solution".. thanx anyway
15:38:24BCMMLinusN: sorry for confusing, but was that a response to my question or to something just before i joined?
15:38:41LinusNBCMM: that was for you
15:39:14BCMMLinusN: thanks. what is the patch tracker? is that the same as flyspray?
15:40:03markunlinuxstb: did I do anything wrong?
15:40:06BCMMLinusN: thanks a lot
15:40:30jd_I'm trying to compil gcc-3.4 in order to build Coldfire stuff, but while following the CrossCompiler wiki page, I get "m68k-elf-ranlib : commande introuvable" (basically meaning the commande is unknown). Didn't find a tip on Google, sorry
15:41:12linuxstbmarkun: No, I don't think it's anything you did. I was just saying that the cvs problem isn't just with amiconn's commits - it happened with you and midkay as well.
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15:42:00LinusNjd_: did you set the PATH before running make install?
15:42:27linuxstbFor user root? (assuming you're running make install as root)
15:42:56LinusNjd_: and you did set it to the "bin" directory?
15:43:04preglowlinuxstb: we still have that problem with the hold switch sometimes eating keys after being switched off, yea?
15:43:50jd_jd@mop:~/build/gcc$ echo $PATH
15:44:09jd_oh, let's root that indeed
15:44:30linuxstbpreglow: Yes - but I think tempel has fixed it in the latest ipodloader2 versions. Something to do with re-initialising the button driver when hold is turned off I think.
15:44:58LinusNjd_: type "which m68k-elf-as"
15:44:59preglowyes, he has
15:45:09preglowso we should merge that some time
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15:45:19linuxstbpreglow: Yes, definitely.
15:45:28jd_jd@mop:~/build/gcc$ which m68k-elf-as
15:45:40LinusNand ranlib?
15:46:03jd_outputs /usr/bin/ranlib
15:46:13LinusNi mean m68k-elf-ranlib
15:46:31jd_same location than -as
15:46:43jd_(with -ranlib suffix)
15:46:48LinusNthen it should work...
15:47:30Mikachusilly question but have you set them in the same terminal as you're trying to compile in?
15:47:53jd_thank you, if I get it working I'll tell you :)
15:58:01amiconnLinusN: I'm using commandline cvs - both on cygwin and on linux
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16:00:22amiconnpreglow: The button driver eating key events on ipod?
16:00:31*amiconn never observed this
16:03:48preglowsometimes after disabling hold
16:04:11preglowyou haven't got a 5g device
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16:07:40amiconnAh, so it's a 5g only problem...
16:08:34preglowwell, neither the hardware nor the driver is the same
16:08:42preglowso i have no reason to think it's anything other than
16:11:01amiconnLinusN: Maybe newer versions of cvs add that commitid "feature"?
16:11:56amiconnHmm, strange...
16:12:19amiconncygwin cvs -v ==> Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.11.17 (client/server)
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16:13:21linuxstbI'm guessing something on the server-side changed. It seemed to happen a couple of days ago, and all commits (by various people) since then have the commitid: tag.
16:14:39LinusNamiconn: yes, it seems to be a pretty new feature
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16:15:51LinusNi guess upgrading to a newer viewcvs would solve it
16:15:57LinusNi'll have a look
16:16:00LinusNgotta go
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16:18:02peturseems to have started with the commit on 22 May 08:56
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16:50:53josh_Hi all, I'm an iPodLinux dev; would any of you know about some wiki vandalism done to us by a user registering as "T0mas"? (with the zero)
16:51:06josh_I'm not blaming t0mas, as for all I know it was some troll, I was just curious.
16:51:23josh_(I ask because the vandalism was iPL-bashing and Rockbox-favoring.)
16:51:26Mikachuwas the ip from
16:53:40josh_hm, can't tell, actually. MediaWiki doesn't log that.
16:53:55josh_probably was, though - #ipodlinux got a massive Pr0t attack at the same time
16:54:14josh_odd that he's trying to play us against each other... oh well, impossible to predict a troll.
16:54:15Mikachuhe is all over the internet it seems
16:56:04BagderIt certainly wasn't the t0mas that is a regular here, since he's a sensible guy
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17:03:08t0mas80.60.8.209 is my IP
17:03:29Bagderwell, you wouldn't use your ordinary IP if you were being a bad boy
17:03:38t0masand I sure as hell didn't vandalize your wiki :)
17:03:44t0mastrue :)
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17:07:47Genre9mp3also you wouldn't use your ordinary nick...
17:11:07Kohlrabithat is what he wants you to believe! ;)
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17:12:22t0masnever trust me ;)
17:12:42t0masdon't you remember I removed the entire rockbox wiki last year? ;)
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18:18:55rconanhey peeps
18:19:19rconanhow come rockbox uses arm-elf-gcc when arm-uclinux-elf-gcc is there and works
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18:21:48rconanarm-uclinux-elf-gcc is a higher version so should be better right?
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18:23:07markunrconan: we don't need to generate uclinux binaries
18:24:05rconanwill the newer toolchain not work then?
18:24:30rconanor can i get a newer arm-elf toolchain anywhere
18:24:35rconanmine is only 2.95
18:25:26markunYou could compile it yourself
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18:27:27buraiantowhen I navigate from one level in tagcache to the next a dialog window briefly pops up. is there any way to disable that?
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18:35:20markunburaianto: could you read what was in the dialog window?
18:35:56Mikachuif it doesn't let you answer, it's more of a monolog than a dialog :)
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18:37:27buraiantoit goes pretty fast, but it looks like it says something like "searching: X many found"
18:39:47buraiantoso yeah, I guess it is a monolog
18:40:27buraiantobut it's so fast that it's impossible to really read, and becomes a somewhat annoying distraction
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18:41:21buraiantomaybe if I had one of them fancy 60 gigabyte players it would take longer to search. Maybe that's my solution ;)
18:41:49buraianto(60 gigs worth of songs, that is.)
18:41:53markunThere is currently no way to displable it (except compile your own rockbox)
18:42:16buraiantomarkun: ok. thanks.
18:43:25rconanmarkun: the uclinux toolchain seems to have made a perfectly good binary for rockbox
18:44:25markunrconan: it's possible to use it, but you suggested we all 'upgrade' to the uclinux compiler.
18:44:29markunwhich version do you have?
18:44:55Mikachui'm guessing i could probably use my gameboy advance toolchain too
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18:45:35rconanmarkun: i was suggesting that the configure script could be aware of it
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18:45:48markunAh, then I misunderstool
18:45:59markunnot stool :)
18:46:07rconanand if there is both it could use whichever has higher supported version
18:46:13markunDamn, my typing is even worse than usual..
18:46:39markunrconan: yes, good idea. Do you want to give it a try?
18:47:04markunYou can also include arm-linux-elf-gcc in the comparison
18:47:24rconanthere are endless possibilities i can imagine
18:47:27preglownot stool, you say?
18:47:40preglowmisunderstool <- word of the month
18:47:56rconani just imagine there are a lot of people with a uclinux toolchain they use for ipodlinux which they could use for rockbox too
18:48:06preglowyou can't, i think
18:48:06markunYes, what a nice word I just invented
18:48:37rconanpreglow: were you saying that to me?
18:48:44preglowrconan: yes
18:48:54rconani just did and it worked
18:48:57preglowmarkun: what, you can use arm-linuf-elf?
18:49:05preglowthen what the hell is the difference?
18:49:10rconanim not sure
18:49:23rconanthey're built against different libc's ????
18:49:43rconani think the arm-uclinux-elf is built against uclibc
18:51:40preglowwe don't use libc, so in that case, hooray
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18:53:32rconanis there a way i can run the configure script but have the shell show all the commands as they run?
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18:58:41rconancheers Mikachu
18:59:32rconanis it also possible to output that output to a file?
19:01:51FelixKarlyes, with: sh -x configure 2> outputfilename
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19:33:59t0masomg... talking about the programmer being fired because the janitor can do it with PL/SQL
19:34:19t0maswhat an idiot...
19:37:45flamingcowt0mas: let's not talk about mysql in that context :)
19:38:40t0masyeah, lots of people can "work with mysql"
19:38:50t0masjust by writing a simple PHP guestbook they think they can do it
19:39:05t0masthat's why there is a 4 hours/week class in university just about good database design :)
19:39:06flamingcowwell, referring specifically to exception handling
19:39:14flamingcowyou can catch them
19:39:22flamingcowbut RAISE is scheduled for the next version
19:39:33flamingcowso dividing by zero is just about a valid solution at the moment :-P
19:40:49t0masPostgres had something stupid there too
19:41:03t0masbeing able to RAISE but not catch an exception or something
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19:47:58Mikachumaybe it was a pun, i didn't start reading the actual article
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21:42:34powerrangersfan1hey i only have a ipod for mac formated no windows machine any GUI installer thatwill install rockbox on a mac? also i already have ipodlinux with bootloader2
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21:43:38*amiconn found the cause of the tetrox crash on archos
21:44:12linuxstbpowerrangersfan1: No.
21:44:17amiconnIt's a good match to the link Mikachu posted earlier...
21:44:45powerrangersfan1oh so only windows formated ipods will work? what link
21:46:12linuxstbpowerrangersfan1: Yes, Rockbox needs a FAT partition.
21:46:41powerrangersfan1oh well
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21:49:40*amiconn thinks that 3x4 pixel tetrox blocks would look better on archos than the current 3x3 blocks
21:50:49amiconn3x4 is an aspect ratio of 1.33, which is more close to the actual 1.25 than the ratio of 1.00 (3x3 block)
21:52:18linuxstbSounds reasonable to me... Is there room on the screen to increase the block size?
21:53:41amiconnYes there's a bit off room to the left & right
21:55:33Hansmaulwurfjust a OT question, is here someone who works with matlab?
21:56:23amiconnActivity table time stamps are still wrong...
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22:02:09amiconnpixelma: Check the latest bleeding edge...
22:02:28pixelmaamiconn: will do
22:04:29amiconnviewcvs is severely hosed... tetrox.c doesn't even show up in apps/plugins/ :(
22:04:36pixelmaamiconn: is it possible to change only the tetris.rock?
22:05:18amiconnYes, if you already have a sufficient version installed
22:05:52amiconnYou can always try, all that (should) happen is that the plugin loader says "Incompatible version"
22:08:22pixelmait works :)
22:08:37*amiconn expected it to work ;)
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22:24:41haradrgonhey all, anyone around to answer a quick Q
22:24:57Bagderask and you'll found out!
22:25:08XavierGroh Bagder you are back?
22:25:21XavierGrhow was your holiday?
22:25:25Bagderback with two bazillion unread mails ;-)
22:25:36BagderI had a great week off
22:25:42Bagderin sunny Barcelona
22:25:49XavierGrouuh sounds nice!!!
22:25:51haradrgontwo low tech questions really, I have the Ipod Video. 1. Does Rockbox allow for video playback? 2. Where to I put my music... just make a dir called music and go at it?
22:25:56linuxstbAh, my girlfriend's home town...
22:26:07haradrgonbarcelona... I'm heading there on the 31st.
22:26:14Bagderharadrgon: 1) no 2) yes like that 2.yes
22:26:18haradrgonWell, barcelona, then ibiza, then back to barcelona
22:26:27haradrgonawe... no video playback, that sucks
22:26:38haradrgonbut, I can boot to the ipod firmware and do video that way, yes?
22:26:55linuxstbJust hold MENU whilst booting, and the Apple firmware will start.
22:26:55amiconnBagder: Two things, in case you didn't follow the logs: (1) Activity table time stamps are off, they're supposed to show GMT but do show CEST (2) viewcvs is severely hosed
22:27:00haradrgonthe ipod firmware is a bit too perty for me
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22:27:44Bagderamiconn: ok, will look into it
22:28:20linuxstbBagder: 2) may be because of a new "commitid:" tag that's started to appear in all commits a couple of days ago. This apparently causes problems with viewcvs. Linus was going to look into upgrading viewcvs (see this morning's logs).
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22:28:43haradrgonwill rockbox be supporting video, in the future?
22:28:49amiconnLinus already checked some things regarding viewcvs, the problem is that it doesn't show all revisions for some files, and (just found out half an hour ago) doesn't show some files at all
22:28:52Bagderharadrgon: the second someone writes the code for it
22:29:01haradrgonlol, gotcah
22:29:17amiconnLinus found that the 'bad' files have some 'commitid' added, which may confuse viewcvs
22:29:43amiconnPerhaps viewcvs needs an update to adapt to some new cvs feature?
22:29:50Bagdermost likely
22:30:02Bagderits even called viewcv these days afaik
22:30:19linuxstbJust install svn....
22:30:20Bagder(since it also speaks svn)
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22:30:44shirourhi.... anyone here familiar with the DM320 SoC?
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22:31:00Bagdershirour: I doubt you'll find many such ppl here
22:31:16haradrgonhrm... got my music transfering...
22:31:17macdonalderhaHA, you have not scared me away yet
22:31:22haradrgongonna need it for the flt to spain
22:31:51Bagdershirour: there's some code available all over for it
22:32:17shirourwhat kind of code?
22:32:27Bagderlinux kernel and u-boot stuff
22:32:48shirourand what stuff do i need to change in the source in order ot make mine work?
22:32:57Bagderlists several sources
22:33:15Bagderand you do need some skill of your own ;-)
22:34:56amiconnIt's called viewvc now
22:35:08Bagderoh right
22:35:40flamingcowok, oddity
22:35:44flamingcowforce tag cache rebuild
22:35:49flamingcowit commits
22:35:56flamingcowplay a song throught the tagcache
22:36:02flamingcowloads in the player, but doesn't start playing
22:36:16haradrgonhrm... do you guys know of a good software for transfering music, once using rockbox
22:36:27haradrgonI have some other files in each music dir, that I would like to not copy
22:37:04flamingcowreboot again, and it works from then on
22:37:20shirouri jhave skills... i just don't know how far i need to go...
22:37:38haradrgonthx for the info all... work time
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22:37:53Bagdershirour: well you haven't told us anything about what you do or what you want
22:38:27shirourok.... i'll start:
22:38:42shirouri've hacked the firmware - i can read the boot part and everything
22:38:49shirouri can copy my stuff to the flash
22:39:00shirourbut if i destroy something i'm doomed....
22:39:18shirourthe os is of unknown type (esol), and i want linux on it
22:39:31Bagderwhat target is it?
22:40:22markunAre you hacking a DAP?
22:40:23BagderI meant what player/device
22:40:29shirourm:robe 500i
22:41:16markunCan you enter USB mode when you screw up the firmware on disk?
22:41:18Bagderthere are several Linux based dm320 ones with source available
22:41:35Bagderbut of course, doing it 100% right the first time isn't an easy task
22:41:55shirouri don't think you can - when the device is stuck the usb interrupt does not respond
22:42:01Bagderif flashing a bad image truly makes a dead unit, I say you need a hw debug tool
22:42:21Bagderlike jtag or whatever the tms features
22:42:24shirourthat's why i want to keep the original and add some bootloader that allows
22:42:29shirourme to switch between possibilites
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22:46:12shirourbut i don't know how to find the serial port address
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22:47:38Bagderwell, there's some code to read for you...
22:47:52Bagdermost of those are using the same linux/u-boot ports
22:48:02Bagdermade by Ingenient
22:48:22Bagderwho also happen to sell boards with the chip on
22:48:33Bagderand whose reference design is used by many players
22:49:11shirourwhat od you mean? doyou think all the devices have the same address mapping?
22:49:33Bagderfrom cold start yes
22:49:34shirourmy problem is resolving the i/o address map
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22:49:48Bagderbut I'm not sure all the DM320s are identical
22:50:06Bagderthis is just stuff I've read
22:50:34Bagderthat little thing called internet
22:50:54Bagderthat wiki page I mentioned points out most of the stuff
22:51:19Bagderthe Neuros devel list is really a good place if you wanna hang out where there is dm320 development in progress
22:51:49Bagdersome of them have the docs we mere mortals cannot get
22:52:34sharpebagder, did you know i was porting side to rockbox? or at least, most of it anyway.
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22:53:42sharpespace invaders didactic (?) emulator...
22:54:26sharpeyeah... i've got a screenshot of it running...
22:54:33sharpejust have to fix some problems in the cpu code...
22:54:49sharpethen it'll be playable...
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22:58:19XavierGr_does anyone know a decent IRC client with multi-highlighting? Trillian is starting to be annoying
22:58:45Mikachunot sure what you mean by multi highlighting but i would probably use xchat if i had to use windows
22:58:53amiconnIf I only knew what you mean with 'multi-highlighting'
22:59:24*amiconn uses HydraIRC
22:59:25Mikachubut it's a bit tricky to find windows binaries
22:59:47XavierGr_sorry for that. multihighlight = you add a word that is highligted with a colour you define. (you can add as many words as you like)
22:59:57*amiconn tried xchat on windows once
23:00:15amiconnIt crashed a lot
23:00:25XavierGr_I will try to use both. (and maybe I will try again gaim).
23:01:30Bagdernever crashed for me
23:01:36BagderI use xchat on win from work
23:01:49Bagdernot an exciting client, but works for me
23:01:59*rconan uses xchat
23:02:01rconanbut on linux
23:02:11BagderI use it on linux too from home
23:02:12*amiconn doesn't like the interface of xchat
23:02:29BagderI've never actually tried a GUI irc client I like
23:02:31macdonalder-macdonalder- VERSION xchat 2.6.0 Linux 2.6.16-1.2122_FC5 [i686/3.53GHz]
23:02:41BagderircII were the days ;-)
23:03:12*rconan wonders how macdonalder did that
23:03:24macdonalderctcp version
23:03:33sharpei think i am slightly dyslexic.
23:03:35rconanctcp version ??
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23:03:57sharpei read 21 as 12...
23:04:18macdonalder/version rconan
23:04:32macdonalderjust don't do it to other people
23:04:57sharpeand there've been a few times where i was told what i had to pay for something, such as 5.12$, and i realized i was getting 12.50$ out...
23:05:13macdonalderctcp-ing other people is like pm'ing them without asking... rude and such
23:05:39amiconnFor some reason the latest builds for Ondio have a noticeable delay between clearing the rockbox logo and showing the file browser
23:05:44sharpeit's the irc version of whispering to people, "i'm stalking you."
23:06:18*amiconn wonders what causes it
23:07:20*rconan has to go
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23:07:32sharpei think his name was richard!
23:08:09macdonalder'sharpe' cookie :p
23:08:26macdonalderoohhh will the hilarity ever cease
23:09:14sharpebecause i am a comical genius.
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23:10:12amiconnHmm, what was the cvs command again to bring the local copy to a specific date+time?
23:10:38Presencefreebsd!5.3-release-p5 bitchx-1.1-final! - prevail[0123a] (i_think_i_need_a_bigger_bawx) + BXLog [2.2] by dARTh
23:10:46PresenceBitchX 4 lyfe and all that.
23:11:02markunamiconn: cvs update -D 'datetime' ?
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23:32:04*amiconn blames markun
23:32:34markunThanks. What did I do?
23:33:18amiconnYou introduced the noticeable blank-screen delay between rockbox logo and filebrowser when booting the ondio
23:33:56amiconn(though I did not yet track down how - just that it appeared after your commit)
23:34:18amiconnThe commit regading separate remote scroll settings, to be precise
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23:38:26preglowrockbox should sponsor us with every conceivable target so we can test decently!!!1
23:39:26Romanosi have a small problem with the newer rockbox release for nano. How can i get some more fonts?
23:40:39markunRomanos: on the daily build page there's a link
23:41:08Romanos:( i guess that i will have to see the previous release with the included fonts and replace them over the other one
23:41:36preglowthere's a link
23:41:39preglowon the daily builds page
23:41:42preglowsays "fonts"
23:41:44preglowdownload that zip
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23:42:18Romanosok ok , found it :)
23:42:19markunRomanos: But the fonts of older builds will also work.
23:42:35Romanosno, they wont
23:42:50*amiconn is severely confoozled
23:43:31Romanosi think there is some sort of conflict cause i messed up a few things..
23:43:58Romanosbetween rockbox and ipl
23:44:16Romanosfor some reason , the crossfeed isn't working
23:44:26preglowcrossfeed should work
23:44:31pregloware you sure you just don't notice the effects
23:45:03Romanosthere is no crossfeed at all any more between the tracks
23:45:09preglowyou mean crossFADE
23:45:51linuxstbRomanos: Maybe your settings have been reset - have you checked crossfade is still enabled?
23:46:03Romanosgive me a break guys, i'm having my maths examd tomorrow and my head feels like shit from studying
23:46:14markunpreglow: maybe we should rename it to something like speakersim because we get these questions all the time..
23:46:29preglowyeah, i agree
23:46:35preglowcrossfeed is a bit techy
23:46:38XavierGr_What my remote_scrolling patch did that to ondios?
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23:46:56markunXavierGr_: I also can't imagine what it could be.
23:47:01XavierGr_How can that be? I only changed scrolling options. Nothing else
23:47:25XavierGr_Anyway If I am to blame I am really sorry...
23:48:22markunRomanos: don't worry, it's just that you are not the first one confusing crossfeed and crossfade
23:48:30markunRomanos: good luck with the exam
23:48:45Romanosthanx :)
23:51:03Romanosin the new release for nano there's no wps???
23:51:20Romanosi mean the default one, iamp ..
23:51:39markuniamp's the default one for nano?
23:51:40Romanoswell, it's not the default
23:52:12Romanosmy head is screwd up, and the last thing i can do right now is translating exactly in my mind from greeek to english
23:52:29markunRomanos: a lot of things are low priority until we release 3.0
23:53:05Romanosok, so how can i get iamp wps then?
23:53:13linuxstbWe could rename crossfeed to "Rockbox WOW - a special combination of Rockbox audio technologies that creates a thrilling immersive sound experience..."
23:55:27Aghasterbow before RB.
23:56:04amiconnXavierGr_: It's a complete mystery to me, but it's a fact
23:56:43amiconnThe filebrowser used to appear directly after the rockbox logo vanished. Now there's a noticeable delay during which it shows a blank screen...
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