00:00:57 | amiconn | XavierGr_: You moved the scroll_speed member down within struct global_settings. When moving it back up, the delay vanishes... |
00:01:15 | Romanos | here's my settings for crossfade: enable crossfade-skip track , fadein duration-3secs , fadeout duration-3secs .. i'm i doing something wrong? |
00:01:38 | amiconn | Now someone please explain why *that* happens !! ?? ?:-/ |
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00:03:22 | Romanos | anyone> |
00:03:23 | Romanos | ? |
00:04:01 | markun | Romanos: sorry, never used corssfade |
00:04:20 | midkay_ | Romanos, what is the problem? |
00:04:36 | Romanos | it just don't do crossfade anymore.. |
00:04:50 | PaulJam_ | Romanos: if you skip to the next track and it is not yet in the buffer, then no crossfade happens. |
00:04:56 | midkay_ | works for me.. |
00:04:57 | midkay_ | gotta run. |
00:05:06 | midkay_ | PaulJam_, um, yes it does, for me.. |
00:05:27 | Romanos | i'm sure is got to do with the buffer,, |
00:05:34 | * | midkay_ shrugs |
00:05:37 | Romanos | is there any way to increase the buffer? |
00:05:43 | midkay_ | might be a bug, my fadeout delay is like 8 seconds though. |
00:05:50 | midkay_ | er, no, buffer is buffer.. |
00:05:52 | midkay_ | anyways. bb. |
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00:05:56 | Mikachu | simple way to test that is skip to the previous track instead of next... |
00:06:36 | Romanos | the funny thing is , that i used it that way for months.. and now for some peculiar reason it stop doing it... |
00:06:46 | Romanos | wtf? |
00:12:12 | Romanos | i'm missing the whole picture here.. a |
00:12:16 | linuxstb | Romanos: When did you last upgrade Rockbox? |
00:12:31 | Romanos | just.. |
00:12:39 | linuxstb | I mean before now. |
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00:13:33 | Romanos | it was one of the first builds for nano i reckon.. about march |
00:13:59 | Romanos | and it worked flawlessly!!! |
00:14:34 | PaulJam_ | Romanos: Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, do you want it to crossfade on every trackchange or only if you skip manually? |
00:15:09 | Romanos | what do u mean? |
00:15:30 | Romanos | skip manually , is when i'm just simply want to change track right? |
00:15:53 | Romanos | i'm pressing the damn button but there is no smooth transition anymore |
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00:16:49 | amiconn | gaaaaaaaaaaa |
00:17:03 | Romanos | ? |
00:17:30 | Romanos | did i blew it? |
00:17:46 | * | amiconn slaps petur |
00:18:58 | Romanos | ok forget about it |
00:19:01 | Romanos | i'm a jerk |
00:19:33 | * | amiconn has no idea about crossfade because he never uses it |
00:20:42 | PaulJam_ | for me crossfade is the main reason i use Rockbox. |
00:21:06 | Romanos | yeah , same here... well not exactly.. main reason is flac :P |
00:21:13 | sharpe | i don't use crossfade... |
00:21:49 | Romanos | btw , just had to set the fade out mode in mix mode |
00:22:47 | Romanos | funny thing that always in the end we find the solutions to our problems by our owns :P |
00:25:24 | Romanos | this is ridiculous.. fu rockbox |
00:26:37 | Romanos | dunno why, but autochange directory is not working.. |
00:26:46 | Romanos | it makes the whole nano crash |
00:26:47 | Mikachu | maybe you disabled that setting too |
00:27:30 | Romanos | when i'm enabling it, causes nano to crash and crossfade won't work... |
00:27:41 | Romanos | something's wrong with the nano buffer maybe? |
00:28:58 | Romanos | mikachu se gamw apo ton kwlo mwri gamiola |
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00:30:43 | Mikachu | see that is why i don't like him |
00:30:52 | tom__ | Erm, excuse me. I've just installed RockBox on my iRiver H340 and it's made it read only? |
00:31:07 | tom__ | And I'm just getting the error "no .rockbox directory" "installation incomplete" |
00:33:15 | Bagder | so, did you install it correctly? |
00:33:50 | Drumr|Away | we've been trying to help in misticriver's chat |
00:33:56 | Drumr|Away | we dont know what happened |
00:34:18 | tom__ | I patched the hex file, put it into root, ran the firmware upgrade |
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00:35:18 | tom__ | I put the .iriver file into root and it tried to run that |
00:35:24 | tom__ | failed and put me to a directory listing |
00:35:44 | Bagder | "the .iriver file" ? |
00:35:52 | Bagder | ah |
00:35:59 | Bagder | so you didn't install it correctly |
00:36:13 | Bagder | unzip a rockbox zip file to the root of your player |
00:36:31 | tom__ | How do I do that if the hard drive is read only for some reason? |
00:36:46 | Bagder | you on linux? |
00:36:48 | tom__ | yes |
00:37:05 | Bagder | it makes that when it detects serious enough file system errors |
00:37:10 | Bagder | check the logs |
00:37:28 | Bagder | I'd suggest a dosfsck or even a new mkfs |
00:38:32 | tom__ | would would I dosfsck it? |
00:39:28 | sharpe | hmm... |
00:39:49 | sharpe | it makes sense. dos file system check... gee... i wonder... |
00:40:00 | Bagder | "dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems" |
00:40:15 | Bagder | your problem is not because of rockbox |
00:40:27 | Bagder | but because of a broken fat fs |
00:40:33 | tom__ | well, what would the device be? |
00:40:38 | tom__ | /dev/.. ? |
00:40:46 | Bagder | /dev/sda1 style |
00:40:51 | Bagder | the same you mounted |
00:41:00 | tom__ | heh, it mounts it automatically :) |
00:41:09 | Bagder | well, use df to see then |
00:41:13 | Bagder | or mount |
00:41:38 | tom__ | [tom@localhost dev]$ /sbin/dosfsck /dev/sdc1 |
00:41:38 | tom__ | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
00:41:38 | tom__ | open /dev/sdc1:Permission denied |
00:42:26 | Bagder | but as I said, I recommend doing a whole fresh new fs anyway |
00:42:37 | Bagder | since dosfsck can't repair everything |
00:42:50 | Bagder | been there, done that |
00:42:52 | tom__ | right, how would I do that? |
00:42:59 | tom__ | any tutorials? |
00:43:17 | Mikachu | 1) backup files you want to keep |
00:43:20 | Mikachu | 2) su root |
00:43:24 | tom__ | Don't need to keep anything |
00:43:30 | Mikachu | 3) mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdc1 |
00:43:53 | tom__ | Ok, done |
00:44:04 | Bagder | now, remount and unzip again |
00:44:40 | Mikachu | oh oops, 2.5) should probably have been unmount, but it was readonly so no matter |
00:44:49 | tom__ | I unmounted it |
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00:45:01 | Mikachu | hooray, a sentient one |
00:45:01 | Mikachu | :) |
00:45:14 | tom__ | Ok, comes up with a Disc directory |
00:45:17 | tom__ | completly blank |
00:45:36 | Bagder | yes, you have nothing on the disk |
00:46:01 | Bagder | except for rockbox of course |
00:46:39 | earHertz | where's the splash code? |
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00:47:26 | earHertz | nevermind |
00:48:04 | tom__ | Think it's worked now :) |
00:48:36 | tom__ | How do I rename it back to a H300 now, instead of "Disk" :) |
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00:48:57 | Mikachu | heh, i don't know of a linux program that lets you change the label |
00:49:07 | Mikachu | mkdosfs lets you specify it, if you want to reformat |
00:49:19 | Mikachu | or you could just plug it in a windows computer |
00:49:41 | Bagder | there's a lable? ;-] |
00:49:56 | Mikachu | but at the moment, rockbox eats disk labels anyway :) |
00:49:59 | Moos | heh Bagder, welcome back :-) |
00:50:06 | tom__ | 'eats' ? |
00:50:14 | Mikachu | they disappear sometimes |
00:50:21 | Mikachu | a theory is it's related to deleting directories in / |
00:50:27 | Mikachu | that's the last i heard |
00:50:34 | tom__ | Ah |
00:50:53 | Bagder | thanks Moos |
00:51:02 | tom__ | Rockbox is ugly! Just a directory listing. |
00:51:26 | tom__ | But anyway, thanks a lot Mikachu and Bagder, scared the life out of me when it all went read only. |
00:51:37 | Moos | Bagder: did you recharge your batteries for the release rush? :-P |
00:51:47 | Mikachu | tom__: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
00:51:56 | Bagder | Moos: noo I was hiding from it all ;-) |
00:52:04 | Moos | haha :D |
00:52:16 | Aghaster | Is anybody working on adding video support on the ipod? |
00:52:34 | Mikachu | not that i know of |
00:52:47 | Aghaster | :/ that would such a nice feature |
00:52:50 | Aghaster | be* |
00:53:01 | amiconn | Meh. Why are people choosing highly confusing variable names?? |
00:53:03 | Aghaster | and would blow ipodlinux people away. |
00:53:24 | Mikachu | rockbox is primarily an audio player |
00:53:25 | Aghaster | As a lot of people who try to install ipodlinux do it only for video lol |
00:53:42 | Bagder | well, those people wouldn't use rockbox anyway |
00:53:43 | Aghaster | (notice the try, because lots of them will fail and cry) |
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00:54:20 | mrweeee | hey |
00:54:24 | earHertz | ipodlinux dioes video? |
00:54:31 | Aghaster | yeah, badly, but it does |
00:54:32 | Bagder | uncompressed |
00:54:52 | mrweeee | where can i find the current features of rockbox? |
00:54:58 | amiconn | How many seconds before the fat file size limit hits? |
00:55:01 | Aghaster | if they can offer minimal video support, i guess rockbox programmers can manage to work it out too |
00:55:13 | mrweeee | does rockbox do video? |
00:55:26 | Mikachu | deja vu |
00:55:26 | Mikachu | no |
00:56:04 | amiconn | Wrong, it does - on archos |
00:56:23 | Moos | Bagder: do you know why the "all commits since 2.5" page doesn't working anymore? |
00:56:24 | Aghaster | yeah, but i was speaking of ipod. |
00:56:35 | Bagder | Moos: no, I didn't know it didn't |
00:56:39 | * | amiconn wonders where wett vanished |
00:56:52 | Bagder | Moos: I'll check into that |
00:56:56 | Moos | mrweeee: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
00:57:06 | Moos | Bagder: OK, thanks |
00:58:26 | tom__ | What WPS do you people use? :) |
00:58:53 | * | Moos reuse his h1xx one : ) |
00:59:12 | Moos | for his X5 |
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00:59:52 | Aghaster | i've noticed rockbox eats my ipod battery a lot more than original firmware. are there any tips to make it last longer? |
00:59:52 | Moos | tom__: did you checked the gallery yet? |
01:00 |
01:00:00 | tom__ | yeah been having a look |
01:00:09 | tom__ | Seen 3 I like |
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01:00:36 | Moos | better to do your own, in regard the infos you want displayed |
01:00:56 | Moos | hi midkay |
01:01:00 | scottder | Any changes on the AAC front? |
01:01:07 | midkay | hey Moos |
01:01:38 | lostlogic | bagh, cvs diff says "NO YOU BITCH" to me. |
01:02:17 | tom__ | I'm guessing there's no options for bass and treble now? |
01:02:21 | Moos | wow lostlogic you are alive O.O :-P |
01:02:36 | lostlogic | Moos: hehe, been busy of late |
01:02:47 | Moos | just kinding :) |
01:03:38 | Moos | less than one week for fix your playback code, that's quick |
01:03:48 | amiconn | meh |
01:03:59 | lostlogic | meh, works fine for me :-D |
01:04:25 | PaulJam_ | tom__: hold navi while you are in the wps, there you find the soundsettings |
01:04:34 | amiconn | Why would moving a struct member cause a significant timing change of the whole application??? |
01:04:45 | tom__ | Ta PaulJam_ |
01:04:50 | tom__ | As for the WPS, I like this one > http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=386193&postcount=50 |
01:05:01 | tom__ | It says backdrop support needed, do I need something extra for that? |
01:05:40 | Moos | lostlogic: yeah it appears quite stable for me too, just occasional bugs |
01:05:47 | XavierGr_ | ok next sime Romanos enters here I propose to ban him |
01:05:51 | lostlogic | Moos: what bugs still strike you? |
01:06:34 | XavierGr_ | We really should ban him, even if he is from the same coutnry as me he deserves it. |
01:07:05 | Mikachu | XavierGr_: what did he say about me earlier? |
01:07:13 | tom__ | oh man, I'm not having fun with rockbox |
01:07:17 | XavierGr_ | you can imagine it.... |
01:07:20 | tom__ | it's crashed while playing a song and I can't turn it off O_o |
01:07:22 | Mikachu | heh |
01:07:33 | Moos | lostlogic: still occasionaly 2 buffer filing for same tracks+those negative values in debug audio |
01:07:37 | preglow | tom__: what player? |
01:07:41 | tom__ | h340 |
01:07:46 | preglow | then reset it |
01:07:55 | tom__ | where is that heh |
01:07:58 | preglow | bottom |
01:07:59 | tom__ | that the middle hole at the bottom? |
01:08:00 | preglow | small tiny hole |
01:08:04 | preglow | you'll need a pin or somethin |
01:08:20 | PaulJam_ | on h300 the reset is under the microphone |
01:08:51 | tom__ | ah well played |
01:09:06 | XavierGr_ | I would be very happy to ban him myself. Just to see that he got baned by me! :D |
01:09:18 | Moos | anyway time to say moo, good night at all |
01:09:26 | tom__ | Yeah anyway, it said "backdrop support needed" |
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01:09:33 | tom__ | does that mean I need something extra? |
01:09:41 | PaulJam_ | backdrops are supported |
01:12:00 | tom__ | how do I change WPS then? :) |
01:12:04 | earHertz | windows command line ool to eject usb drive (ipod)? |
01:13:39 | preglow | barhg |
01:13:41 | preglow | sleep time |
01:13:43 | preglow | later |
01:14:35 | markun | good night, I'm also going to sleep |
01:15:32 | markun | tom__: you should try to find more info on your own in the wiki and the manual |
01:16:09 | tom__ | I'm looking in the manual, it tells me how to make a WPS xD |
01:16:27 | markun | good :) |
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01:17:47 | Genre9mp3 | I was just reading the logs.....XavierGr, I totaly agree withyou... |
01:18:10 | pixelma | XavierGr_: the new splash messages in the minesweeper plugin sound strange to me (1) I think the tense should be present or perfect (maybe a native speaker could give advice) (2) I don't know why it says 'press a key' since it vanishes after 2s and the menu comes up |
01:22:21 | pixelma | I mean without pressing something |
01:24:11 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: what do you mean it vanishes after 2s? Even if you don't press a key? |
01:25:12 | pixelma | this was in addition to the splash screen question I started before |
01:25:35 | tom__ | markun, I just don't get it dude sorry, I've read the manual |
01:25:44 | tom__ | I copied the theme files to the unit |
01:25:51 | tom__ | but they don't show up in browse themes |
01:26:06 | Mikachu | you want the cfg file in .rockbox/themes and the wps file in .rockbox/wps |
01:26:21 | tom__ | Ah, there was no cfg files :\ |
01:27:14 | tom__ | Looks like I've been robbed here |
01:27:18 | Mikachu | heh |
01:27:25 | tom__ | someone stoled my cfg files! |
01:27:28 | Mikachu | copy one of the other ones and change the wps reference in it |
01:28:28 | tom__ | Hmm which font to use ;) |
01:29:22 | Mikachu | maybe the blurb on the wpsgallery said something about that |
01:29:27 | PaulJam_ | tom__: try snap |
01:29:46 | Mikachu | if it's one of the fancier themes it probably has to be the exact one |
01:30:21 | tom__ | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=386193&postcount=50 |
01:30:25 | tom__ | I want that one! |
01:30:44 | Mikachu | now, are you sure you want that one? you always said you don't like anime wpses |
01:30:57 | tom__ | I didn't say ought |
01:31:01 | tom__ | I've never been here before! :p |
01:31:18 | Mikachu | that was a little britain reference heh |
01:31:26 | tom__ | oh ok ;) |
01:31:29 | tom__ | I never really watched it heh |
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01:32:07 | tom__ | I made the cfg file |
01:32:11 | tom__ | but no text shows now haha |
01:35:24 | amiconn | crap. |
01:35:39 | amiconn | There's some rather odd dependency problem... |
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01:41:08 | tom\alive | hello again |
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01:51:10 | jd_ | hi/re, I made a check out 10 hours ago on rockbox-devel, works well, but now I'm making another one an I get "(...) /cvsroot/rockbox-devel: no such repository". |
01:51:51 | Jd|uni | hey all |
01:52:12 | Jd|uni | eeek... 3 Jd's :p |
01:52:22 | jd_ | :) |
01:54:33 | * | amiconn is totally confoozled now |
01:54:52 | amiconn | Why oh why does this delay not occur with default settings?!?!?!?!?!?! |
01:54:55 | jd_ | (hum, stupid error on my side, forgive me) |
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02:06:50 | lostlogic | hmm... does repeat-one mode still rebuffer every filebuflen? |
02:06:57 | lostlogic | or does it know to just keep playnig the same physical track |
02:12:04 | amiconn | I think it still rebuffers |
02:12:31 | amiconn | The playback engine doesn't know that it's always the same track. The playlist code handles it |
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02:13:10 | amiconn | I wouldn't care too much, as it complicates the playback engine for a usage case that's rather uncommon |
02:18:57 | * | lostlogic has been listening to the same song for about 2.5 hours :-P |
02:19:04 | lostlogic | I'm special. |
02:19:53 | amiconn | Well, if you would add a sepcial case for that, you would need to special-case the special case, |
02:20:11 | amiconn | in case the single track doesn't fit into the buffer as a whole |
02:20:45 | lostlogic | okokok, not this year. |
02:21:02 | amiconn | A propos doesn't fit the buffer - isn't there still an out-of-buffer seek problem? |
02:21:30 | lostlogic | i think there is a seeking backwards out of the buffer problem still |
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02:31:29 | tom\alive | Hmm, how come the LCD doesn't turn off when it's plugged in? |
02:34:14 | sharpe | how goes everyone? |
02:34:27 | tom\alive | not good, the screen won't turn off when charging! :@ |
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02:35:06 | sharpe | ohes noes!! |
02:35:14 | Jd|uni | coz u prob have that option set so it doesnt.. |
02:35:22 | Genre9mp3 | tom\alive: wjat player? |
02:35:25 | tom\alive | h340 |
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02:35:47 | Genre9mp3 | when you charge it with the original fw? |
02:35:53 | tom\alive | with rockbox |
02:35:59 | tom\alive | it turned off with original fw |
02:36:36 | Genre9mp3 | So the backlight setting is turned to On , I guess |
02:36:57 | sharpe | that makes so much sense |
02:37:04 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
02:37:22 | tom\alive | If I turn the unit on, then plug it in |
02:37:28 | tom\alive | the backlight goes off |
02:37:33 | tom\alive | but if I just plug the unit in |
02:37:39 | tom\alive | the backlight stays on |
02:38:21 | Jd|uni | check your settings |
02:38:39 | tom\alive | Backlight (when plugged in) is set to off |
02:38:48 | tom\alive | which if the unit is turned on, then plugged in |
02:38:57 | tom\alive | you get the USB picture |
02:39:03 | tom\alive | and the backlight goes off |
02:39:36 | Genre9mp3 | tom\alive: when you just plug in the charger while the unit is off you get the original fw... |
02:39:39 | tom\alive | but if I turn the unit off, and plug it in, the backlight stays on |
02:40:03 | Genre9mp3 | there is a setting in the original fw you have to change |
02:41:58 | tom\alive | "Bootloader USB mode" is just displayed on the screen |
02:42:40 | Genre9mp3 | You try to charge from the usb cable? |
02:44:51 | tom\alive | I've got both plugged into my dock |
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02:45:54 | Genre9mp3 | Putting it into the dock is like putting the charger and the usb cable at the same time... |
02:46:02 | tom\alive | yeah, exactly |
02:46:14 | Genre9mp3 | So this gets you to Bootloader USB mode" |
02:46:34 | Genre9mp3 | just remove the usb cable from behind of the dock |
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02:46:54 | Genre9mp3 | if you just want to charge it... |
02:47:06 | Genre9mp3 | this will boot to the original fw |
02:47:16 | * | scottder needs to rerip some albums, some are only in aac |
02:47:39 | tom\alive | Ah yeah, nice :) |
02:48:00 | tom\alive | Only thing with this is rockbox runs a bit slow/lagged |
02:50:03 | XavierGr | pixelma: No, after the splash message the screen shows the entire board solved and waits for a button press. |
02:50:22 | XavierGr | but in case it doesn't please inform me. |
02:50:41 | XavierGr | amiconn: what was the bug on ondios in the end? |
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02:51:01 | scottder | Odd, right before it aborts...rockbox reports that the file I have is ALAC. not regular lossy AAC...odd |
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02:54:02 | pixelma | XavierGr: it doesn't do so for me (I've got an Ondio and my version is 060523-1203) |
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02:54:34 | XavierGr | pixelma: strange I just tested it on my H300. |
02:54:39 | pixelma | it returns to the menu |
02:55:22 | XavierGr | are you sure? play lose and wait for the splash, dont press anything. |
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02:56:41 | joshk | can anyone help with installing rockbox on a 4g ipod? |
02:56:51 | joshk | i've got it going to the splash screen, but it just sits there |
02:57:07 | pixelma | XavierGr: this is what I did - I tried it a few times (when winning it was the same) |
02:57:25 | XavierGr | really strange... |
02:57:36 | XavierGr | let me test on the ondio sim |
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03:04:08 | XavierGr | pixelma: you are right. I know the cause for this. |
03:04:35 | XavierGr | On ondios the key to unveil a tile is Hold button mode |
03:05:04 | XavierGr | while holding and then releasing an extra button is queued so that's why you never see the other screen. |
03:06:49 | pixelma | ok, it would be nice if you could get it working then :) |
03:08:09 | XavierGr | yes I will try. :) |
03:08:27 | pixelma | got to go to sleep, good luck! |
03:08:59 | XavierGr | bye |
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03:10:18 | pjo | Hello! |
03:10:33 | pjo | I got a problem |
03:10:50 | pjo | I deleted .rockbox and rockbox.ipod to reinstall |
03:11:28 | pjo | do I just copy the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod to iPod ? |
03:11:45 | XavierGr | yes |
03:12:06 | pjo | or do I need to redo ipodpatcher ? |
03:12:58 | pjo | Xavier: Hello |
03:14:00 | pjo | can I see the rockboot.bin from Windows ? |
03:14:01 | XavierGr | no you just need to put the folder and the file on root |
03:14:45 | XavierGr | pjo: I don't know about details but if you just want to upgrade to a newer build (assuming you have rockbox running) all you do is replace those 2 things |
03:15:34 | pjo | ok the problem looks like is in Loader 2.3 of ipodlinux, when RockBox is selected, error |
03:16:33 | XavierGr | pjo: sorry I can't help. Look for someone tha has an ipod |
03:16:51 | pjo | bien sur |
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04:02:37 | Aghaster | hehe, flac support owns. |
04:03:09 | Aghaster | with my 60gig ipod i have plenty space to encode all my albums in flac to listen to it in original quality :) |
04:03:23 | flamingcow | of course, the DAC isn't near good enough for you to hear the difference, but :) |
04:03:31 | Aghaster | DAC? |
04:03:57 | Aghaster | well i guess that playing it through my ipod station may give me better sound |
04:04:12 | Aghaster | :P |
04:04:36 | Aghaster | well, the sound is somehow "purer" but the difference is hard to hear, i agree |
04:05:10 | flamingcow | digital to analog converter |
04:05:20 | flamingcow | i wonder if the ipod has digital output |
04:05:23 | Aghaster | you know, some people still buy vinyls because they say the sound quality is better than audio CDs |
04:05:24 | flamingcow | and if the station is doing the conversion |
04:05:43 | flamingcow | aghaster: not better, they just like the particular distortion effect |
04:05:50 | Aghaster | ok |
04:06:30 | Aghaster | I know some people who actually refuse to buy an mp3 player because of lossy compression |
04:06:41 | Aghaster | Some people do feel the difference |
04:07:30 | Mikachu | other people, like me, listen to the music instead |
04:07:48 | flamingcow | :) |
04:07:55 | Aghaster | :P |
04:08:42 | Aghaster | i wonder what bitrate techno music might be. |
04:09:03 | Aghaster | flac encodes what's to be encoded, not 1411kbps only |
04:09:05 | Aghaster | so i can see |
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07:40:19 | amiconn | XavierGr: I still don't know exactly - your moving of general_settings.scroll_speed triggers it, but that can't be the true root cause... |
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07:57:09 | amiconn | Ok, *now* I know what really happens :) |
07:58:45 | amiconn | Slasheri is the one to blame, and the code snippet causing the problem is fairly old, and could potentially hit all bitmap targets |
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08:03:45 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, what did you found? :) |
08:04:03 | linuxstb | Could it be related to the freezes some people seem to be experiencing at the splash screen? |
08:04:05 | amiconn | main.c:init_tagcache() has a bug |
08:04:28 | Slasheri | ah, that sounds good (so it can be fixed) |
08:04:44 | amiconn | If tagcache_is_initialized() immediately returns 'true', font_w and font_h don't get initialised, |
08:05:18 | amiconn | so the lcd_fillrect() after tagtree_init(); may fill just about anything |
08:05:30 | Slasheri | oh, interesting |
08:05:44 | amiconn | On my Ondio, font_h became something around 16 million |
08:06:00 | amiconn | Luckily the lcd code does clipping... |
08:07:11 | Slasheri | hmm, could that cause any more serious problems or does it just show some garbage on the screen |
08:07:16 | amiconn | I wanted to tackle that function anyway some time ago, because of the logo overdraw on archos recorders & ondios, and the absolute lack of feedback on the player |
08:07:22 | Slasheri | at least it seems to be trivial to fix |
08:07:33 | amiconn | It doesn't show garbage - it just clears the whole screen |
08:07:38 | Slasheri | ah, ok |
08:08:43 | amiconn | preglow suggested using a splash(), because on smaller lcds the message is truncated |
08:08:51 | amiconn | (that includes the h1x0) |
08:09:07 | amiconn | The playlist insertion progress also uses a splash |
08:09:16 | Slasheri | that sounds good.. i will try that soon |
08:09:30 | amiconn | Don't bother, I'll fix that function |
08:09:43 | Slasheri | ah, ok. thanks :) |
08:09:58 | amiconn | You could try to fix the nasty tagcache bug I reported multiple times. It's still there... |
08:10:27 | Slasheri | yep, i will.. but i have been quite busy with work lately and i have no idea what causes that issue :/ |
08:11:00 | amiconn | Somehow tagcache seems to overwrite the browser's buffer, without notifying it |
08:11:08 | Slasheri | i have checked the commit memory allocation a few times now, but probably it still has a bug somewhere |
08:11:14 | amiconn | So the browser gets severely confused |
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08:19:51 | JdGordon | hey, re the message on the mailing list... could the tag and tree browsers be merged? so as the root of the browser you could have artists, tracks, etc, and then the music folder which acts like the regular browser? |
08:23:04 | dj-fu | that would be a sweet idea. |
08:23:12 | amiconn | Not that easily |
08:23:23 | dj-fu | cause then the drag'n'drop filebrowser dudes would be happy, and the tag browser dudes would be happy |
08:23:34 | amiconn | The idea exists to make the tag browser a virtual sub-dir of the root |
08:23:48 | JdGordon | that would work also |
08:24:40 | amiconn | You can't just put the tagbrowser's Artist etc dirs into the root, because a user may have an actual directory named like that |
08:25:30 | amiconn | So the names must be made special, which can be achieved by using angle brackets |
08:26:14 | amiconn | But then, file browser users would get annoyed by the number of virtual dirs added by tagcache |
08:26:35 | amiconn | One single virtual dir would be less annoying I think |
08:27:53 | JdGordon | for sure |
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08:31:03 | amiconn | Slasheri: Now that is strange: I modified init_tagcache to use a splash. It seems that the part inside the while() loop is always executed. But if it is - what could bring font_h so far out of range? |
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08:31:39 | Slasheri | hmm |
08:32:39 | amiconn | tagcache_get_commit_step() seems to immediately return 10 if there's nothing to do |
08:33:14 | Slasheri | then it has a bug |
08:33:56 | amiconn | Ah, no |
08:34:17 | amiconn | My fault - and it explains the weird font_h in the old function |
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08:44:19 | infamis | 404 on since25.html...any way to view all commits? |
08:45:07 | amiconn | Slasheri: The tagcache weirdness only happens on swcodec targets. On hwcodec, I can browse tagcache directly after commit |
08:45:36 | Slasheri | hmm, weird |
08:45:39 | linuxstb | infamis: Try google's cached version: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:70GR-bFT4tgJ:www.rockbox.org/since25.html+%22all+commits+since+2.5%22&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox |
08:45:50 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that's related to the same problem that viewcvs is having.... |
08:45:58 | * | amiconn has got to fix another Slasheri bug before 3.0 :/ |
08:46:03 | Slasheri | i still don't understand how the committing at boot could touch the dir browser buffer |
08:46:46 | Slasheri | and if i understood correctly, the dirtree buffer is even allocated after the commit.. |
08:50:12 | amiconn | My new tagcache commit msg (using splash) is working nicely on bitmap targets. I'll test my charcell version, then commit... |
08:50:51 | infamis | linuxstb, what problem is viewcvs having? seems to be working to me |
08:51:36 | amiconn | The player version won't use splash (because the 'Committing tagcache...' sring is alreay longer than what fits the display), but use the second line of the display for a super-short counter display |
08:52:38 | Slasheri | sounds nice |
08:54:05 | amiconn | The splash() uses the user font, so if someone needs a big font for readability, there's one problem less. It also cuts down code size. |
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08:56:26 | linuxstb | infamis: Some files are not being displayed correctly, or at all in some cases. |
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09:13:23 | JdGordon | how nice.. i was just called from american express... do they know im 21 and jobless?? |
09:14:03 | petur | they don't care, they only want your money |
09:14:32 | JdGordon | no but its pointless.. coz even if i did want a credit card.. there is no way they would give me one anyway |
09:21:22 | amiconn | Hmm... perhaps it's possible to speed up the initial tagcache scan... |
09:21:55 | amiconn | Our metadata reading functions are probably not very optimised, because the yused to be used for a few tracks at a time |
09:22:14 | amiconn | With tagcache, they're used for a ton of tracks at a time... |
09:25:11 | Slasheri | hmm, that sounds like very possible to do. iirc at least mp3 metadata parser searches for header by reading one byte at time. That can't be very effective |
09:25:28 | Slasheri | *efficient |
09:25:51 | amiconn | Indeed... and it hits archos most |
09:26:18 | amiconn | (because of the slow cpu and because practically all tracks on archos have to be mpeg audio) |
09:27:40 | Slasheri | and tagcache recursive scan should be replaced with the dircache code somehow.. and pass the file startcluster to open even when dircache is not available at all |
09:27:59 | Slasheri | that should speed up the initial scan by 50% at least on archos |
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09:34:28 | petur | funny site: http://www.idont.com/ |
09:34:37 | petur | mmmeeehhhh |
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09:37:29 | * | amiconn spots petur |
09:37:52 | amiconn | petur: Please check tree.c:890ff |
09:38:13 | amiconn | What did you do to the else... part of the if() ? |
09:38:42 | amiconn | Right now we don't have a unit which has both colour display and hotswap defined, but we probably will |
09:38:44 | amiconn | (h300) |
09:40:48 | petur | woops, missed that else hidden behind that #ifdef :( |
09:42:02 | amiconn | Should be sufficient to move the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR block below the other one |
09:42:08 | petur | hmmm, that code was wrong in the first place |
09:42:08 | dongs | yet another reason to split all the code into modules |
09:42:12 | dongs | instead of #ifdefing 3984732984 things |
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09:42:36 | petur | dongs: not entirely true |
09:42:37 | amiconn | dongs: You simply can't avoid all ifdefs |
09:42:51 | petur | dongs: code sharing |
09:43:38 | amiconn | Many modules are shared between multiple or all targets, but need slight adaptions to the target's features |
09:43:39 | petur | amiconn: the initial backdrop code there was already wrong |
09:44:22 | petur | amiconn: see version 1.402 |
09:44:59 | amiconn | Hmm, so there's someone else to blame... |
09:45:16 | amiconn | I just spotted that while hunting for the mysterious screen clear on Ondio |
09:45:18 | petur | bbl |
09:46:55 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: cvs activity time stamps are still wrong... |
09:48:08 | amiconn | Maybe that's also related to the viewcvs weirdness? |
09:48:24 | * | amiconn doesn't know how the script for the webpages collects this info |
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10:09:35 | petur | w00t |
10:10:01 | * | petur got a nice salary raise :) drinks on the house :) |
10:10:09 | JdGordon | congrats |
10:10:32 | linuxstb | petur: What was the backdrop problem? (congratulations as well) |
10:11:05 | petur | the code was placed inbetween and if/else construct |
10:11:16 | petur | *an |
10:12:01 | linuxstb | Ah, I see it now. That's why I hate if() statements without braces... |
10:12:14 | petur | me too |
10:12:34 | linuxstb | But that might not have helped there anyway.... |
10:12:41 | linuxstb | Still, good spot amiconn. |
10:12:49 | petur | I also like braces below the if, not behind them where they get out of view |
10:13:25 | linuxstb | And apologies for the mistake. |
10:14:03 | petur | he who doesn't write bugs shall throw the first stone |
10:14:20 | * | petur writes plenty |
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11:43:15 | * | amiconn prefers single-line if() statements without braces, but always puts braces on their own line for blocks |
11:43:55 | * | petur dares to put the statements behind the if() |
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11:46:50 | courtc | single line unbraced if()s, braces on the same line as the if and uncuddled else statements. That's how I uhh.. roll... |
11:48:13 | petur | people who use indenting to determine where code belongs to should stick with python :P |
11:48:42 | * | amiconn prefers proper indentation |
11:48:51 | courtc | Well it's hard not to when you use 8 space tabs. |
11:49:28 | petur | sure, and use notepad as editor ;) |
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11:51:03 | JdGordon | petur dares to put the statements behind the if() <- if the staements following isnt too long then i rekon that is better than chucking it on the next line... |
11:51:10 | amiconn | tab chars have nothing to do in C source... and indenting by 8 spaces is way too much |
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11:53:55 | courtc | ahh! more than one contiguous space is blasphemy! ;) |
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11:55:17 | courtc | "Now, some people will claim that having 8-character indentations makes the code move too far to the right, and makes it hard to read on a 80-character terminal screen. The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program." |
11:55:33 | JdGordon | ok, i just played a track on my h300 and it paused about 4 times through the track for a fraction of a second.... dud track or something else? |
11:56:03 | JdGordon | 3 levels?? thats nothing... and 8 chars IS way too much |
11:56:22 | courtc | source: http://www.chris-lott.org/resources/cstyle/LinuxKernelCodingStyle.txt |
11:56:34 | JdGordon | ah ok.. makes sense.. |
11:56:36 | petur | yeah, let the coding style flame wars begin |
11:56:40 | JdGordon | they are commys :D |
11:56:54 | petur | worse, kapitalists! |
11:57:42 | * | petur shouldnt mix languages and learn to type |
11:57:57 | courtc | yay! anywho, that's actually listed as a style guide for ipodlinux, just so patches that we get don't fall too far off the deep end. |
11:58:20 | JdGordon | i disagree with both the first 2 statements on that page :D |
11:59:05 | courtc | crazy emacs users are the worst, with mixed spaces and tabs. They need to be shot. |
11:59:09 | JdGordon | "Rationale: K&R. " <- br-freeking-vo |
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12:02:10 | preglow | oh god |
12:02:12 | preglow | mixed spaces and tabs |
12:02:17 | preglow | that's a sin |
12:02:17 | courtc | I've come to accept most styles without complaint as long as it still resembles c in some fashion. |
12:02:19 | preglow | pure and simple |
12:02:24 | * | courtc agrees. |
12:02:34 | preglow | so it's emacs doing that....... |
12:02:42 | preglow | hunking pile of shit it is |
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12:08:07 | german_snail | who knows how album art works for original ipod firmware? |
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13:03:22 | PaulJam | hi, is someone here using the albun art patch with a h300 and has a non lcd remote? |
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13:29:17 | PaulJam | there is a really weird bug with the album art patch: the wps shows album art and the non lcd remote is connected, the year of the rtc gets set to 1999 within a few minutes. |
13:29:32 | PaulJam | (on h300) |
13:29:38 | petur | wtf? |
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13:32:54 | PaulJam | another strange thing is, that the lock icon of the remote appears from time to time for a few milliseconds while in the wps (if it has albumart) when the non lcd remote is connected |
13:33:00 | tom\alive | What can I do to get rockbox to run faster? |
13:33:05 | tom\alive | It runs really sluggish atm :\ |
13:33:23 | PaulJam | tom\alive: enable dircache |
13:33:31 | tom\alive | heh ok |
13:34:06 | PaulJam | tom\alive: then the hdd doesn't spin up everytime you enter the browser |
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13:35:34 | tom\alive | ok, what about that database thing aswell? |
13:36:08 | PaulJam | i don't use the db |
13:36:29 | tom\alive | Ah, it's turned off anyway |
13:37:54 | tom\alive | how do you get it to just play all songs within subdirectories |
13:38:04 | tom\alive | I've got a folder for 2006 music, I want it to play all music within the subfolders |
13:38:32 | petur | add it to a playlist and set playlist insertion to recursive |
13:38:46 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: Confirmed about the hold remote icon, the rtc thing though doesn't happen to me |
13:39:10 | Jungti1234 | hello |
13:39:13 | Jungti1234 | hmm... torx.. |
13:39:25 | markun | Jungti1234: hi |
13:39:30 | markun | what about torx? |
13:39:57 | Jungti1234 | I can't find its driver. |
13:40:21 | markun | can't find the right screwdriver? |
13:41:10 | Jungti1234 | yes |
13:41:29 | JdGordon | still havnt got it open aye? |
13:42:03 | Jungti1234 | :'( yes |
13:42:14 | JdGordon | drill the screws out :D |
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13:42:25 | Jungti1234 | kkk |
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13:42:32 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
13:42:53 | Jungti1234 | E10 screw is so small. |
13:43:10 | JdGordon | any1 know how to use sed? |
13:44:09 | petur | http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html |
13:44:21 | JdGordon | im looking at that.. really not much help |
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13:44:44 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: strange, i can reproduce the year problem here. as soon a the remote icon begins to flicker the rtc-year tag disappears. |
13:45:28 | JdGordon | i need convert a word to uppercase.. im hinted to but the word on the hold buffer... well i can get the word fine from regexp.. but how do i put it on the hold buffer? |
13:45:30 | * | petur wonders if this is all related to the retailos config corruption |
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13:52:57 | jd_ | re |
13:53:06 | * | amiconn has a vague idea what *might* happen. Unfortunately that's a hard one to test... |
13:53:43 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
13:53:46 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: The wps you test on has a year tag? mine doesn't |
13:54:04 | Jungti1234 | I sought it during 2 hours... |
13:54:26 | Jungti1234 | Perhaps tomorrow, there may be it in the shop. :) |
13:54:48 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: i have made a test-wps that has basically only album art and the tag %cd.m.Yc |
13:55:35 | Genre9mp3 | Did you try with one that doesn't have the year tag to see if it also goes to 1999? |
13:56:02 | Jungti1234 | markun |
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13:57:50 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: yes, i observed the same thing with my normal wps, that doesn't have a rtc-year tag |
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14:00:05 | Genre9mp3 | strange, I repeated the test several times and the rtc is ok |
14:00:33 | Genre9mp3 | I wonder why this happens only with the non lcd remote... |
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14:07:12 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: i don't know if it happens _only_ with non lcd, but thats the only remote i have |
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14:09:48 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: With an H300 LCD Remote doen't do this flickering on the hold icon... |
14:10:20 | Genre9mp3 | though, the moment I conect it, it instantly appear and then disappear |
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14:10:37 | amiconn | This flickering lock icon was reported several times. I can't test, since I only have a H100 remote |
14:10:43 | Genre9mp3 | but never show up again like with the non lcd remote |
14:11:36 | Genre9mp3 | I never noticed that before because when I use the remote, usually it's connected before I start the unit... |
14:12:38 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: this doesn't happen with an H100 LCD Remote? |
14:13:12 | amiconn | It was only reported with the H300 non-lcd remote |
14:13:22 | tom\alive | There a list of plugins anywhere? |
14:13:31 | amiconn | But then, I'm not a remote user. I only use the remote for development |
14:13:46 | petur | tom\alive: check the wiki |
14:14:00 | petur | and the manual |
14:14:08 | tom\alive | ta |
14:14:38 | tom\alive | ah hmm, I'm looking for a plugin more for sound quality |
14:15:03 | tom\alive | doesn't sound as good anymore without the SRS WOW, is there some kind of substitute for that? |
14:15:42 | petur | you can use the EQ and stereo width |
14:15:55 | preglow | nothing like srs, no |
14:16:02 | petur | imho, SRS WOW sounds crap |
14:16:18 | preglow | it sounds good on some tracks i have |
14:16:26 | * | Genre9mp3 hates SRS WOW, too... |
14:16:40 | * | Genre9mp3 also hates its fancy name |
14:16:40 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
14:16:46 | Jungti1234 | you know BBE? |
14:17:07 | JdGordon | grrrrrrrrrrr this 1 mp3 is stopping every 5sec or so :( |
14:17:13 | Genre9mp3 | Jungti1234: iAudio's BBE? |
14:17:16 | ashridah | tom\alive: there's also replaygain to help as well |
14:17:17 | Jungti1234 | yes |
14:17:29 | Genre9mp3 | what about it? |
14:17:39 | tom\alive | Hmm, I'm crap at setting up equalisers and stuff :\ |
14:17:50 | tom\alive | the WOW was great though, just turned it on and it sounded great |
14:17:57 | Jungti1234 | Sound field? |
14:18:19 | * | preglow gone |
14:18:36 | Jungti1234 | Samsung is DNSe |
14:19:03 | Genre9mp3 | I don't even use the EQ...I like to listen to my music the way it's meant to be listened... ;) |
14:19:14 | Jungti1234 | :) |
14:19:23 | Mikachu | that's what the eq is for, compensating faults in hardware |
14:20:56 | JdGordon | shouldnt swcodec check to see if its buffer is nearing empty and refill it? |
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14:21:57 | JdGordon | it seems to let it fully empty on a certain few tracks... i dunno if its those mp3z, or the hdd or what... but its very repeatable on those tracks?? |
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14:28:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: The swcodec buffer margin calculation still leaves a lot to be desired |
14:28:38 | JdGordon | ok |
14:29:10 | amiconn | The hwcodec engine calculates the margin dynamically, based on the average bitrate of the track and the measured disk spinup time, using a safe default if that value is not yet available |
14:29:58 | amiconn | Mikachu: EQ/tone control is both for compensating hardware deficiencies and different listening conditions |
14:30:09 | amiconn | (think about fletcher-munson) |
14:30:12 | JdGordon | but doesnt the codec know when the buffer is nearing empty? using the same value the info page shows.. and then try to fill it if is too low? |
14:30:33 | amiconn | The point is that the 'too low' point is variable |
14:30:57 | Mikachu | does it matter where that point is if you can't fill it faster than it empties? |
14:31:19 | tom\alive | what music you all into? :) |
14:31:54 | JdGordon | cant u set a hard limit on the bottom before just waiting to empty? |
14:32:09 | * | JdGordon doesnt really know what he is talking about.. but anoyed a few tracks dont work properly |
14:32:09 | amiconn | Mikachu: We can always fill it faster than it empties... thing is that the swcodec engine lets it run too low, even though it misuses the anti-skip buffer setting |
14:33:00 | JdGordon | do i bother playing the offending tracks in the OF to see if its a buggered mp3 or hdd? |
14:33:36 | JdGordon | bah, gtg.. back in an hour |
14:34:01 | XavierGr | amiconn: now that you are at an ondio fix can you look why on ondio a normal press-any-key to exit algorithm doesn't work in minesweeper? pixelma reported this yesterday. The same applies for the ondio sim. minesweeper.c line 426-428. I check the button value but it isn't zero so the loop exits immediately. Does it has to do that the ondio uses a press and hold button to enter that part of code? |
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14:40:21 | amiconn | XavierGr: Most probably. In that case, the any-key code must not trigger on a repeat, only on a plain press |
14:40:54 | XavierGr | hmm okay thanks, I will try and think of something. |
14:41:46 | * | amiconn wonders why minesweeper should wait for a key |
14:41:59 | amiconn | Sound more cumbersome than the old way... |
14:42:26 | XavierGr | because when the player lose the whole board is unveiled for the user to see where the mines were located. |
14:43:21 | XavierGr | that's the way most minesweepers I have seen do it, but if you think we should remove it... |
14:43:34 | amiconn | ah, hmm, okay |
14:43:39 | petur | a dead player shouldn't care :) |
14:43:45 | XavierGr | hehe |
14:43:46 | Jungti1234 | http://jungti1234.netcci.net/0104.gif |
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14:44:21 | amiconn | Hmm, could any native english speaker please shed a light on the following case? |
14:45:15 | * | midkay raises a hand, if nobody else |
14:45:15 | amiconn | Afaik, the messages for winning/ losing should either be "You win" / "You lose" or "You've won" / "You've lost", but not "You won" / "You lost" |
14:45:35 | amiconn | Am I wrong? |
14:45:36 | midkay | win/lose sounds good... |
14:45:58 | XavierGr | ok then maybe that's my mistake. |
14:45:59 | midkay | they all work, just a bit differently. |
14:46:39 | midkay | you won/you lost is like referring to what you completed, but since you *just* completed it, win/lose makes a bit more sense. |
14:50:20 | XavierGr | amiconn: thanks that did the trick for minesweeper. |
14:52:30 | XavierGr | ok now that I am at it. How the text must be changed? You've won/lost or You win/lose? |
14:53:31 | midkay | you've won/lost is probably the worst of the three options, IMO. |
14:53:43 | midkay | i vote for you win/lose. |
14:53:54 | XavierGr | ok then I will revert it. |
14:54:13 | * | midkay will bbiab |
14:54:49 | midkay | amiconn, btw, i started on a version of xobox for archoses using the grayscale lib but i had a few problems.. i was wondering if you could have a look. |
14:54:54 | midkay | *brb* |
14:54:58 | XavierGr | it just seems strange to me to use simple present for an action in the past.... |
14:58:04 | amiconn | English is a bit different than other european languages in that respect. In german, you would use present perfect for these messages |
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15:01:50 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
15:02:12 | XavierGr | I assume that plugins don't support transparency colours like WPS, right? |
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15:05:47 | amiconn | XavierGr: What do you mean?? |
15:06:38 | XavierGr | well on WPS there is a certain colour that is considered transparent. |
15:07:04 | XavierGr | Is that the case on plugins too. (or is it universal?) |
15:07:39 | amiconn | There is a special drawing function for transparent bitmapes |
15:07:51 | amiconn | It only works for 16bit displays right now |
15:08:12 | XavierGr | the name of the function? |
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15:16:07 | midkay | the color is 255,0,255 and i'm pretty sure it's universal.. |
15:30:49 | orfax | heya |
15:33:48 | orfax | I'm trying to build rockbox on a 5g ipod, but so that it uses 64MB. However setting the memorysize=64 in the configure script isn't enough. It fails to load an mp3 with a codec failure message.Anyone got any clues? |
15:34:19 | midkay | it just doesn't work like that, or something. :p |
15:34:25 | midkay | more things have to be changed, i believe. |
15:34:44 | midkay | *bbl* |
15:34:50 | petur | crt0 probably (memory controller) |
15:35:44 | markun | orfax: do you know if the ipod linux guys use the full 64MB? |
15:35:58 | petur | and several defines for the buffer allocation |
15:36:43 | orfax | markun: yeah I'll check |
15:37:14 | markun | we remap the RAM to start at 0. Might be that we only remap the first 32MB.. |
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15:41:04 | Hansmaulwurf | http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox <−−- iPod Boom |
15:41:13 | Hansmaulwurf | hi everybody |
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15:49:50 | XavierGr | lets see if X-chat is anygood... |
15:51:54 | dj-fu | It's nice. |
15:52:03 | dj-fu | i've taken to using it on win32, cause of the perl interface |
15:52:55 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Just a quick tip for you: Settings > Preferences > Chatting > General |
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16:03:24 | linuxstb | orfax: The first thing I would check is to add some code to a standard Rockbox build to try and write some values (and read them back) from the second 32MB of RAM. As markun said, Rockbox remaps ram to start at address 0, and maybe that remapping code doesn't remap the full 64MB. |
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16:10:38 | dpro | hi |
16:11:48 | dpro | I'll probably give dj'ing another acid test (sic! ;) tonight just to make sure - if I use 44.1kHz .wav and I get dropouts it wasn't the codec right ? |
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16:52:26 | Gerco | g'day |
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17:01:26 | Psilonaut | hi, is it possible to play video's with rockbox on a ipod video? |
17:01:36 | PaulJam | no |
17:01:53 | Psilonaut | will it be possible? |
17:02:02 | Bagder | Psilonaut: yes, when someone writes the code |
17:02:15 | Psilonaut | ok, thx for the info |
17:03:28 | Gerco | Is it already clear what the problem is with the current builds, running on an iPod 4G and don't get past the splash screen? |
17:05:37 | Gerco | or is that question too generic :) |
17:08:41 | orfax | markun: I think ipl only uses 32. Going through their patch I can only see DRAM_SIZE set to 0x2000000 which =32MB |
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17:27:19 | jd_ | what is the "escape/quit" button binding in the X5 simulator? I tried a lot of keys but did not find yet :) |
17:27:52 | Bagder | check the source! ;-) |
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17:28:11 | * | Bagder can't remember |
17:28:11 | jd_ | (especially while using a plugin, the left arrow works well outside plugins) |
17:28:31 | Bagder | plugins quit on the power switch on the real unit |
17:28:34 | Bagder | mostly |
17:28:40 | jd_ | you're right, I'm lazy |
17:28:42 | jd_ | oh ^^ |
17:29:02 | jd_ | (I'll get my brand new W5 in two days so I didn't know) |
17:29:05 | jd_ | *X5 |
17:29:57 | jd_ | #define SUDOKU_BUTTON_QUIT BUTTON_OFF ^^ |
17:31:02 | Bagder | enter/return/a |
17:31:16 | Bagder | uisimulator/sdl/button.c |
17:32:10 | PaulJam | you could also run the simulator with −−background , then the buttons should be labeled. |
17:32:53 | amiconn | jd_: That mapping is still missing... |
17:33:21 | amiconn | It's a bug in the X5 sim. |
17:33:30 | jd_ | ok. neither a/enter/return is « working » but that's no issue, I was just wondering if it was a bug or a lack :) |
17:33:37 | jd_ | thank you |
17:34:09 | * | amiconn once had an idea how to make the sim button mappings less error prone, but can't quite remember how it was supposed to work :/ |
17:34:11 | jd_ | I'll write my first plugin to learn more about all the nitty-gritty details |
17:34:28 | jd_ | too bad amiconn ;) |
17:34:58 | Bagder | jd_: that's the spirit, get your feet wet by hands-on experience! |
17:37:26 | jd_ | I spend my afternoon lurking in the source code, in fact ; I think starting with plugins could be an appropriate start-off |
17:37:36 | Bagder | I agree |
17:37:45 | Bagder | its a good way to get acquinted |
17:38:13 | | Part Gerco |
17:38:15 | jd_ | just need a plugin *idea* |
17:38:16 | jd_ | :) |
17:38:20 | Bagder | hehe |
17:38:32 | Bagder | port your favourite simple game |
17:38:41 | Mikachu | i've already done life |
17:38:42 | Bagder | common approach ;-) |
17:38:51 | jd_ | common approach ;) |
17:39:00 | Mikachu | i hear it's a common approach |
17:39:10 | jd_ | is it? |
17:39:54 | PaulJam | you could also improve an existing plugin, for example add colours to minesweeper :) |
17:40:01 | jd_ | I once played a game with three vikings but don't remember the title.. |
17:40:10 | earHertz | When I try to registre for the patch tracker, I get an error: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/error |
17:40:24 | earHertz | How do I register? |
17:42:23 | Mikachu | jd_: lost vikings? |
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17:44:13 | jd_ | right! |
17:44:18 | jd_ | thank you :) |
17:45:22 | theli_ua | Mikachu, i don't see that you changed plugin_api with your last absolute wheel position patch... so how do you use wheel_status? |
17:47:13 | Mikachu | i'm pretty sure it does |
17:47:35 | Mikachu | i also put two patches in the task that show how to use ti |
17:48:05 | Mikachu | then again, maybe i forgot |
17:48:21 | theli_ua | last patch rockbox-wheel_absolute_patch_v4.patch changes only button.c |
17:48:42 | theli_ua | it is clear how to use it :) |
17:48:48 | Mikachu | ah, v3 changes the other ones |
17:49:34 | Mikachu | you'll have to mix and match a bit |
17:50:34 | theli_ua | yeah ... just wanted to know didn't i miss something :) |
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18:05:32 | earHertz | How do I add a patch to the patch tracker? |
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18:08:01 | Bagder | you reg a user and submit a patch |
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18:23:17 | earHertz | I registered. I see a link to "Open a new Task anonymously", but from there I don't see where I submit the patch file |
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18:25:37 | markun | earHertz: you have to login first |
18:25:46 | earHertz | I did login |
18:26:04 | markun | When I login I don't see the "Open a new Task anonymously" anymore |
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18:27:30 | earHertz | ok, you're righrt, I'm not logged in |
18:27:41 | earHertz | Flyspray isnn't real informative |
18:27:46 | earHertz | as fart as that goes |
18:28:21 | markun | I think you are the first who complains about it |
18:28:24 | Spoilerhead | anyone can help me with rockbox on an 2gipod mini? |
18:28:58 | earHertz | Someone has to go first. Try registering a name with a space in it, and tell me if you find teh error message iformatiove |
18:29:54 | markun | :) |
18:31:31 | Spoilerhead | i start it up, it boots fine, but when its loaded its shows me a file mamanger and i can'T access my music |
18:32:24 | markun | Does the file manager respond at all? |
18:33:01 | Spoilerhead | yes it works fine |
18:33:21 | markun | This might be your problem: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav |
18:33:27 | Spoilerhead | but cant see the folder "ipod_control" where my music i located |
18:34:36 | Spoilerhead | thats what i find dstrange, i cant see it |
18:35:16 | markun | Did you read the first line? |
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18:36:40 | Spoilerhead | oh, yes, thx |
18:37:01 | Spoilerhead | now i selected a file and its frozen :( |
18:41:17 | Spoilerhead | ok, thin k git it |
18:41:27 | Spoilerhead | music selectionworks only with playlists, right? |
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18:42:30 | markun | No, you should be able to just play a file |
18:49:18 | Spoilerhead | ok.. i'm getting used to it, thanks for your help |
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19:51:56 | Miv | anyone willing to help me figure out which mp3 recorder to buy for recording broadway show? |
19:53:23 | XavierGr | H100 |
19:53:27 | XavierGr | if you can find it |
19:53:38 | Miv | what about the h140? |
19:53:44 | XavierGr | yes |
19:53:49 | XavierGr | the same model |
19:53:56 | Miv | what is the recording time limitation I read about |
19:54:08 | XavierGr | there is no recording limitation with rockbox |
19:54:16 | Miv | wow |
19:54:23 | XavierGr | unlesss you are talking about the defualt firmware |
19:54:35 | XavierGr | which, yes, has a limitation |
19:54:41 | Miv | so I have to install rockbox? |
19:54:46 | XavierGr | but why use the default if there is rockbox? |
19:54:48 | XavierGr | yes |
19:54:55 | Miv | i'm a newbie... |
19:55:02 | Miv | is it difficult to install? |
19:55:08 | XavierGr | not at all |
19:55:24 | XavierGr | you just download 3 files and you are ready to go. |
19:55:33 | Miv | so the h100 series is about the best you can get? |
19:55:43 | XavierGr | for a DAP I think yes |
19:55:46 | markun | some people are even using an external ADC with an optical connection to their irivers I believe |
19:55:53 | Miv | looking at ebay... seems to be plenty at affordable prices |
19:56:00 | XavierGr | it is the only that has both optical/analog in/out |
19:56:19 | Miv | i use a md now... pain to put into computer at realtime |
19:56:40 | XavierGr | Miv: Ahh I know what you are talking about MD is a major pain. |
19:56:44 | Miv | is it possible to record in wav for 3 hours on 40 gig |
19:56:50 | XavierGr | yes |
19:56:57 | XavierGr | and more |
19:57:05 | Miv | looks like you have helped me so much! |
19:57:13 | XavierGr | I think someone recorded that managed to record for 7-8 hours |
19:57:22 | XavierGr | recorded = reported |
19:57:26 | petur | Miv: see also taperssection.com for more recording info |
19:57:31 | Miv | how about transfer to computer? |
19:57:41 | XavierGr | Miv: H100 is UMS |
19:57:48 | Miv | UMS? |
19:57:49 | XavierGr | so you just plug and you transfer |
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19:57:59 | petur | like an external USB drive |
19:58:14 | Miv | ahhh.... what about clipping? |
19:58:31 | petur | we have level monitoring and on the fly gain |
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19:58:48 | petur | there's also an experimental build that has AGC |
19:58:53 | Miv | sounds like ya'll have got it all worked out! |
19:58:59 | XavierGr | yup :D |
19:59:08 | * | petur is a recording fan |
19:59:11 | petur | :D |
19:59:24 | Miv | would the 120 have enough space for recording long sets (3 hours or so?) |
19:59:33 | petur | plenty |
19:59:34 | XavierGr | I think yes |
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20:00:06 | Miv | I don't think I would have to have the 140 then... price difference isn't too big though |
20:00:18 | petur | 3 hours should be about 2 GB? |
20:00:26 | Miv | at wav? |
20:00:31 | XavierGr | yes |
20:00:33 | petur | yes |
20:00:49 | Miv | thanks so much! |
20:01:26 | XavierGr | Miv: I don't think there is something better than H100 in DAP terms. |
20:01:54 | Miv | :) |
20:01:59 | petur | at least for recording... |
20:03:16 | XavierGr | if only iriver planed for an H500... |
20:03:38 | XavierGr | instead they produce one failure after another. |
20:03:57 | petur | an h180 / h380 would be fine too ;) |
20:04:19 | petur | but yeah, maybe faster cpu |
20:04:26 | XavierGr | indeed |
20:04:39 | amiconn | Eating more battery? |
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20:04:59 | amiconn | Nah, I think the h1x0 hardware is pretty ok |
20:04:59 | petur | sorry, faster and more efficient :) |
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20:05:23 | amiconn | There are 2 things I dislike about the h1x0 though. (1) the joystick (2) the buttons on the side |
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20:06:01 | XavierGr | I like the joystick, though yes the buttons on the side are somewhat annoying. |
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20:07:36 | webguest51 | just have to chip in my 0005c worth, I like the buttons on the side, makes for wasy controlling when the unit is on my belt, |
20:08:27 | webguest51 | although I mainly use the the play pause button when the unit is on my belt |
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20:10:29 | Miv | once again .... thanks for the great help!!!! |
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20:42:56 | Z_God | I was wondering if it is somehow possible to have multiple rockbox versions installed |
20:43:07 | Z_God | is this possible & easy to do? |
20:43:12 | dwihno | hm |
20:43:16 | dwihno | well, you can keep several copies |
20:43:36 | Z_God | and swich swapping files using a comp? |
20:43:39 | dwihno | just rename the rockbox firmware to something other and load it from within rockbox |
20:44:45 | Z_God | and the .rockbox directory? |
20:45:03 | dwihno | the .rockbox directory is hard coded |
20:45:16 | dwihno | if you want to keep multiple .rockbox:es, you need to manually patch the code. |
20:45:28 | Z_God | k, I already thought so |
20:45:34 | Z_God | I think I'll just rename it then |
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20:54:49 | petur | Z_God: if the codecs, plugins,.. stay compatible between yourversions, just have rockbox.xxx, myversion.xxx,... in the root and load them on the fly |
20:55:21 | Z_God | yep, but isn't the point of new versions codec fixes too? |
20:55:35 | Z_God | I've now created a folder old_firmware and put the old files there |
20:55:52 | Z_God | seems to work nicely, although I need a comp to switch the firmware now |
20:55:56 | petur | ah you want to switch between old/new firmwares |
20:56:52 | Z_God | well, it was mainly to have a backup in case the new version had a problem |
20:57:00 | petur | my trick only works for different special builds based on the same code |
20:57:19 | Z_God | ah, what kind of special builds do you use then? |
20:57:58 | petur | normal, some test build for debugging, recording build (agc patch),... |
20:58:15 | Z_God | ah, k :) |
20:58:19 | petur | normally only two: recording and normal/debug |
20:58:39 | amiconn | Loading on the fly (RoLo) does only work on archos, iriver and iaudio, but not on ipod |
20:58:55 | petur | oh, it doesn't? |
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21:00:31 | Z_God | I noticed that rockbox doesn't switch to usbmode when I'm connecting my ipod while it's showing the credits btw |
21:00:32 | amiconn | petur: Btw, should I fix the instruction order in tree.c? |
21:01:00 | petur | me the same... you or me ;) |
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21:05:44 | amiconn | Ok, done |
21:06:51 | petur | great |
21:09:36 | theli_ua | anyone can advice tutorials/books on programming in asm for arm targets ? |
21:10:12 | petur | amiconn: reading your comment, any idea on how to move on with the isp1362? |
21:21:44 | amiconn | Still the same - first we need access to it |
21:21:52 | petur | amiconn: how are removable media handled atm. specifically: how are they shown in the tree? |
21:23:06 | amiconn | The devices supporting removable media (currently only the Ondios) also need multivolume support |
21:23:25 | amiconn | You can select (at compile time) how many partitions will be supported |
21:23:42 | amiconn | It works unix-like |
21:24:05 | amiconn | The first partition becomes the filesystem root |
21:24:45 | petur | ah it's not an extra loadable filesystem like usbotg would be |
21:24:47 | amiconn | Further partitions are mounted below it, and special virtual directories are created |
21:25:14 | amiconn | These use angle brackets, like this: <MMC1> |
21:25:36 | amiconn | The string is is compile time, the number is the volume number |
21:25:48 | amiconn | Loadable file system? |
21:25:49 | Mikachu | is <> disallowed on vfat and/or fat32? |
21:26:16 | amiconn | It's not, but most OS'es forbid it in file names |
21:26:36 | amiconn | This is why we use it here - it's highly unlikely that a real directory with this name exists |
21:27:04 | petur | ok |
21:27:08 | amiconn | These are virtual directories - they exist only in the rockbox filesystem driver |
21:27:49 | amiconn | petur: What did you mean with loadable file system? |
21:28:08 | petur | usbotg should mount external media the same way, no? |
21:28:18 | amiconn | Mounting/unmounting on Ondio is of course done on the fly |
21:28:19 | petur | maybe the term is wrong |
21:28:45 | amiconn | If you plug an MMC, the <MMC1> directory appears in the root, if you pull the card, it disappears again |
21:29:03 | petur | great |
21:29:13 | amiconn | This is a feature separate from HAVE_MULTIVOLUME, it's enabled by HAVE_HOTPLUG |
21:29:41 | amiconn | Hotplug will need special support (in the USBOTG driver), multivolume works on all targets when enabled |
21:29:51 | Mikachu | it would be comical to walk around with an ipod nano and a 400GB external usb drive |
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21:30:38 | amiconn | I used it to test mixed fat16/fat32 configurations (and large fat16 partitions) on my player, when I had a 256MB MMC only |
21:31:01 | amiconn | Made 3 partitions on the player, and selected support for 3 volumes |
21:31:27 | Mikachu | should everything work fine if i created a third fat partition on a nano and enabled multivolume? |
21:31:36 | amiconn | Yes it should |
21:31:41 | Mikachu | i don't remember if i asked that before or if i only thought about it |
21:31:43 | Mikachu | okay, thanks |
21:31:54 | amiconn | You can also enable fat16 support, and have one fat16 and one fat32 partition |
21:32:02 | Mikachu | could be temporary storage, with the space between the boot partition and the main partition |
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21:32:09 | Mikachu | 60MB is a lot on a nano :) |
21:32:29 | Mikachu | i know that space could be overwritten by the apple os which is why i don't want to extend the main partition there |
21:33:12 | amiconn | Just be careful that the 'right' partition becomes your root - rockbox walks the partition table in order |
21:33:45 | Mikachu | it would be the third partition, but physically start before the second which is the main one |
21:34:04 | Mikachu | i had it set up like that with ipl, but i guess rockbox would ignore the ext3 partition in any case |
21:34:56 | amiconn | yes |
21:35:46 | Mikachu | i can't try it before i reboot, but i don't want to do that right now |
21:36:09 | amiconn | Rockbox walks the partition table in order, and tries to mount every partition as fat32 (and fat16, if support is enabled). If it fails, it moves on, until it either mounted as many partitions as defined for multivolume, or the partition table ends |
21:36:47 | amiconn | It doesn't care about the partition type, so it even mounts 'hidden' fat partitions |
21:38:39 | XavierGr | Is there an iPod target that has USBOTG? |
21:39:45 | Mikachu | have you seen the nike+ipod thing? it made me laugh |
21:39:50 | Mikachu | http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/ |
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21:40:34 | petur | why? |
21:40:43 | petur | will be a hit |
21:40:50 | amiconn | Ah, I forgot: If the partition table ends, and rockbox still couldn't mount anything, it finally tries superfloppy mode |
21:41:32 | Mikachu | it looks like they don't recommend running with a harddisk based ipod either |
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21:42:40 | Mikachu | petur: no particularly rational reason |
21:43:33 | petur | the potential (which apple will never see) for specialized training software |
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21:45:35 | sharpe | hallo! |
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21:55:27 | scorche` | amiconn: finished bubbles on archos the other day =) |
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22:00:59 | sharpe | guess what sharpe finished the other day! |
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22:08:16 | Mikachu | sharpe: one of five emulators? |
22:10:01 | sharpe | :) |
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22:10:05 | XavierGr | sharpe: when are you going to submit a patch? |
22:10:08 | sharpe | actually, i didn't finish anything. |
22:10:13 | sharpe | XavierGr: for which? |
22:10:37 | XavierGr | anything: C64, SIDE or things like that... |
22:10:43 | sharpe | i don't know.. |
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22:11:06 | Mikachu | i don't think he really does anything, he's just pretending so we'll like him |
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22:11:23 | XavierGr | hehe |
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22:11:29 | XavierGr | maybe who knows |
22:11:46 | sharpe | yeah, i make those screenshots from scratch |
22:11:59 | sharpe | :) |
22:12:03 | Mikachu | photoshopped from another emu to the sim |
22:12:08 | sharpe | exactly. |
22:12:16 | sharpe | you've discovered me |
22:12:22 | Mikachu | yes, there you are etc |
22:12:24 | XavierGr | sharpe: you should just leave us with our mouths open with a patch :P |
22:12:40 | sharpe | i will, this weekend |
22:12:56 | XavierGr | ok, looking forward for it! |
22:13:01 | sharpe | :) |
22:13:07 | sharpe | it'll be the SIDE one |
22:13:33 | sharpe | i've just got to fix that little cpu problem, and add coloring, and other misc. things |
22:14:41 | sharpe | but, i'll be back later |
22:19:58 | sharpe | so.. bye... everyone... |
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22:33:56 | XavierGr | haha |
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22:45:34 | solexx | did someone already report the dircache failure today? |
22:45:51 | solexx | On booting up, I get the "scanning disk" message and then |
22:45:58 | solexx | Failure! Result: -2 |
22:46:03 | solexx | iriver h120 |
22:46:29 | preglow | many files? |
22:46:40 | solexx | probably |
22:46:46 | preglow | how many? |
22:46:48 | solexx | wait a minute |
22:47:22 | solexx | including directories? |
22:47:54 | solexx | $ find iriver/ | wc -l |
22:47:56 | solexx | 6778 |
22:48:12 | solexx | $ find iriver/ -type f | wc -l |
22:48:12 | solexx | 5676 |
22:48:55 | solexx | Do you want to suggest moving my svn working copy out of the way? :) |
22:49:30 | solexx | good idea, it worked! :) |
22:49:40 | preglow | hahaha |
22:49:43 | preglow | check dircache debug |
22:49:47 | preglow | how much space does it take now? |
22:49:55 | preglow | it almost sounds like dircache ran out of space |
22:49:59 | amiconn | dircache boogs.... |
22:50:15 | * | Mikachu dances the dircache boogie |
22:50:24 | solexx | Cache size: 271889 |
22:50:42 | solexx | Limit: 6291456 |
22:51:44 | solexx | this was with 4403 files and directories |
22:51:55 | preglow | hmm |
22:51:56 | preglow | weird |
22:51:58 | preglow | plenty of space left |
22:52:09 | preglow | 6 megs limit |
22:52:09 | preglow | hahaha |
22:52:13 | preglow | that should do |
22:52:37 | preglow | i've got 4k files muyself |
22:52:40 | preglow | works just ggrrreat |
22:52:41 | sharpe | hmm... |
22:52:44 | solexx | I am trying again with more files |
22:53:16 | sharpe | it must mean something when my google homepage has all the items labeled, "Information is temporarily unavailable" and there's fifteen of them... |
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22:54:01 | Mikachu | it means your internet is unwell |
22:55:07 | sharpe | or it's just a stroke of luck that every single content item's host is offline... |
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23:00:43 | solexx | hm, with 5700+ files I don't get the failure message anymore |
23:01:01 | solexx | instead tagcache silently doesn't work |
23:01:09 | preglow | gr8 |
23:02:38 | solexx | strange |
23:02:49 | solexx | disable, reboot, enable, reboot helped |
23:04:53 | solexx | i hate this strange current that's going through my iriver when it is charging |
23:08:36 | preglow | you hate the charging current? |
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23:09:31 | solexx | no, the current that I can feel from the case itself |
23:09:52 | solexx | it is even in the official iriver faq that this device does it |
23:09:52 | Mikachu | that would be a bad thing |
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23:10:18 | solexx | most of the time it is not strong |
23:10:25 | solexx | sometimes I don't feel it at all |
23:10:39 | solexx | but today... maybe the bad wheather or my wet hands... |
23:11:03 | Mikachu | wet skin has much much lower impedance than dry skin |
23:11:15 | solexx | whatever that means. :) |
23:11:27 | crashd | i got that from my h10 too |
23:11:31 | crashd | bad cables or something, i guess |
23:11:50 | solexx | maybe it is also related to the leather case |
23:12:02 | solexx | I am not sure whether the power plug is inserted completely |
23:12:29 | solexx | argh, iriver took the h100 series from their site |
23:12:57 | solexx | idiots |
23:14:22 | Mikachu | web.archive.org maybe |
23:14:48 | solexx | ah, it's still in google's index |
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23:20:25 | petur | amiconn: the 25C02 eeprom uses CS signalling, not addressing. I don't see the CS mentioned in the wiki, so maybe we're asserting that pin and writing eeprom |
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23:20:33 | solexx | actually, it's not |
23:21:24 | solexx | Hah! |
23:21:48 | solexx | http://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=current&page=1&idx=9&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchString= |
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23:24:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone around know if there's any way to trace which build servers did which dailies for say, a specific target across the last couple weeks? |
23:26:01 | petur | I know you can click on the number next to the cvs build |
23:26:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but that's CVS builds |
23:26:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm wondering if the 4G freezing thing is compiler related. I have at least one person saying that when he makes his own builds, they don't freeze. |
23:26:41 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: the dailies are made on the same (master) server always |
23:26:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'm almost _sure_ that linuxstb compiles his own. |
23:26:49 | petur | oh... dailies... |
23:27:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Hmm.... Well, that solves that question right there, thanks. I was wondering if it might be slightly different compiler versions, or something else, but if that's the case it kinda can't be. :) |
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23:28:18 | Bagder | arm-elf-gcc −−version |
23:28:18 | Bagder | arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.2 |
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23:28:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: The thing is, there are a couple known "good" builds. Though actually, even those freeze, just not as much. |
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23:29:04 | Bagder | aha |
23:29:42 | * | petur needs LinusN :( |
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23:30:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if I recall, they just freeze later, rather than not freezing at all. I'll gather more information. There's freezing on Minis (1g and 2g) and both 4G Color and Grayscale. So you'd _think_ that Amiconn or Linuxstb would have it happening to them. |
23:31:08 | amiconn | I never had a freeze on my mini g2... |
23:32:42 | * | amiconn uses arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 |
23:33:16 | amiconn | But I suspect a bug somewhere in the ipod builds. It clearly hits when optimising the core with either -O2 or -Os |
23:34:14 | amiconn | Doing this for coldfire and sh1 doesn't cause problems (since I fixed them). For sh1, -Os is even standard since a few weeks back... |
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23:38:34 | preglow | i suspect a bug in gcc |
23:38:38 | * | preglow kicks gcc |
23:40:22 | amiconn | I don't - this time |
23:40:46 | preglow | where does the error occur again? |
23:41:07 | amiconn | Builds done with -O2 or -Os are very unstable |
23:41:34 | amiconn | I suspect some asm block not declaring all scratch registers, or something like that |
23:41:51 | petur | amiconn: seen my comment about the eeprom earlier? It could be we're asserting the CS of the eeprom without knowing |
23:41:53 | preglow | not impossible |
23:41:59 | amiconn | This was the reason on both coldfire and sh1 (in the ata driver, caused by me :/ ) |
23:42:33 | preglow | asserting cs should not be enough to write |
23:42:34 | amiconn | These problems tend to show up when there's more inlining |
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23:43:10 | amiconn | petur: Are you sure that the eeprom doesn't have several modes, one of which is preset in the iriver? |
23:43:48 | amiconn | If it's hooked up to the same lines, it pretty much has to use i2c - and i2c defines no CS (afaik) |
23:44:58 | petur | true, after cs it needs a valid command |
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23:45:38 | amiconn | It also needs a device address |
23:46:02 | petur | hmmmm |
23:46:06 | amiconn | Otherwise other devices on the bus could mistake a command for the eeprom as their device address |
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23:47:11 | petur | according to the datasheet the eeprom is an SPI device -> no addressing but uses CS |
23:47:26 | petur | unless the wiki is wrong |
23:47:46 | preglow | what, an spi device connected the the i2c bus? |
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23:58:06 | Aghaster | Is anybody working on porting rockbox to the H10 iriver player? |
23:58:12 | preglow | nopes |
23:58:17 | preglow | no developer with one has come forth yet |
23:58:21 | petur | either the eeprom pic in the wiki is from another device or there are h300's with different eeproms... |
23:58:22 | Aghaster | k |