| 00:00:25 | Aghaster | I have a friend who has an H10 |
| 00:00:37 | Aghaster | unfortunately its not supported |
| 00:02:46 | preglow | we'd love to support it |
| 00:02:52 | preglow | but we need developers willing to do the port |
| 00:03:24 | preglow | a h10 is almost identical to an ipod mini internally, so it should be possible |
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| 00:05:32 | preglow | but anyway |
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| 00:05:38 | preglow | i've gotta go |
| 00:06:23 | Aghaster | k |
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| 00:17:59 | sharpe | ahh, helium... |
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| 00:30:39 | Rori | What earphones/headphones do you guys use? |
| 00:31:45 | sharpe | the ones that came with my ipod. ;) |
| 00:31:53 | Rori | eww |
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| 00:32:05 | sharpe | hey, they suit me perfectly. |
| 00:32:31 | Rori | I bought some Etymotic ER6's thinking they would sound better but they actually sound worse! |
| 00:34:38 | Rori | I have some Sennheiser PX100 over the ear types which sound great so I was looking for something as good for in ear isolation. After recieving the Etymotic's this morning I was so pissed that I went down to the local shop and paid more than I needed on a set of Sennheiser CX-300's. They are awesome! Piss all over the Etymotic's which cost twice as much |
| 00:35:12 | sharpe | heh |
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| 00:36:24 | Rori | I am wondering if I can sell the Ety's on. Kinda difficult when I have stuck them in my ears. I could lie of course on Ebay |
| 00:36:36 | crashd | they sell replacement plugs for them |
| 00:36:58 | Rori | for what? |
| 00:37:04 | crashd | the ety's |
| 00:37:10 | crashd | is you're talking about the ones i think |
| 00:37:15 | Rori | yeah |
| 00:37:20 | crashd | like the sure e*c series, and the sony fontopias |
| 00:37:31 | crashd | yeah, you can get replacement plugs for them, so you could sell them on with a pair of replacement plugs |
| 00:37:33 | Rori | they do them for the Senn's too |
| 00:37:39 | crashd | yeah |
| 00:37:49 | Rori | in fact the Sony and Senn are the same round rubbery bits |
| 00:38:32 | Rori | nah I only shoved them in once. cleaned them after and put them back in a sealable bag. they came like that no accessories off ebay in the first place |
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| 00:39:02 | Rori | I did not read the small print. my bad. they said in the auction they were earphones only |
| 00:39:17 | sharpe | :( |
| 00:39:18 | Rori | suckered I was :) |
| 00:39:30 | Rori | if they sounded any good I'd say fine |
| 00:39:30 | sharpe | money someone made :) |
| 00:39:34 | Rori | but they sound like poo |
| 00:39:46 | sharpe | i'll be back later. |
| 00:39:47 | Rori | especially since they sent the wrong one's |
| 00:39:53 | Rori | they advertised er6i's |
| 00:40:02 | Rori | I have complained because they sent er6's |
| 00:40:14 | Rori | see what they say |
| 00:40:36 | Rori | the er6i's have better bass response so I read which is why I ordered them in the first place |
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| 00:40:51 | Rori | but I have a feeling the Senn CX-300's still piss over them |
| 00:41:08 | Rori | the sound is atrocious and I cannot see why some people like the Ety's |
| 00:42:10 | Bagder | sound is subjetive |
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| 00:42:13 | Bagder | that's why |
| 00:42:57 | Rori | they sound all middle and no depth and no BASS! |
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| 00:43:05 | Bagder | to you, sure |
| 00:43:24 | Rori | I tried pushing them in deep too |
| 00:43:30 | Rori | made no diff |
| 00:43:39 | Bagder | so? some people may like it that way |
| 00:43:54 | Rori | might work for classical who knows |
| 00:43:55 | Bagder | listening simply is a personal experience |
| 00:44:35 | Rori | I never liked middle sounding. I like bass, treble and a fairly open but subdued middle |
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| 00:46:28 | midkay | Rori, not sure what you plan to do with them, but maybe you want to try running them on maximum volume for several hours or overnight.. i've heard about people doing that with similar headphones to break them in.. |
| 00:47:06 | midkay | probably worth a go if you're planning to return them. |
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| 00:51:25 | Rori | No I know the ER6's have weak bass. They were advertised by the seller as ER6i's |
| 00:51:35 | Rori | Which have better bass response |
| 00:51:59 | Rori | I will wait and see what they say and if they won't refund or exchange I will use Paypal buyer protection |
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| 00:52:21 | tom__ | I'm same Rori, problem is my iRiver just makes a crap sound when you pump the bass up |
| 00:52:27 | tom__ | and same with the treble |
| 00:52:30 | tom__ | starts screeching |
| 00:52:49 | Rori | I actually turned the treble down full on the new Senn's |
| 00:53:05 | Rori | They have very very crispy treble and lots of bass |
| 00:53:15 | tom__ | how much are earphones anyway |
| 00:53:19 | Rori | Once I turned the treble down they sound fantastic |
| 00:53:22 | tom__ | I just use the ones that came with it |
| 00:53:41 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Depends on the quality level you're looking for. |
| 00:53:45 | Rori | The Senn's are about £30 online or 39 in the store |
| 00:53:53 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Ner1: what happened to your nick change? |
| 00:54:06 | tom__ | what's so good about them then Rori ? |
| 00:54:08 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Mikachu: Apparently it didn't happen. Umm |
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| 00:54:14 | Rori | the one's that come with the player always fall out of my ears |
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| 00:54:21 | Llorean | There |
| 00:54:24 | Rori | I needed the rubber bung trype |
| 00:54:26 | Rori | type |
| 00:54:38 | Llorean | I'm too lazy to ghost right now. |
| 00:54:58 | Mikachu | just type your password in the channel and i'm sure someone will do it for you :) |
| 00:55:11 | Llorean | The sound quality on the CX-300s aint bad either, but then rumor is they're exactly the same as the Creative EP-630s. Since I haven't tried myself, I couldn't say. |
| 00:55:24 | Rori | Never heard of those |
| 00:55:44 | Llorean | They're about 20 USD on average, maybe less |
| 00:56:02 | Rori | I just know the sound I like and since I have tinnitus maybe I am biased a certain way |
| 00:56:04 | markun | Llorean: I'm still not used to you and paul being the same person :) |
| 00:56:17 | Llorean | Exact same plastic molding and design as the Senns, and sound _similar_, made in the same factory even, so the debate is whether they're identical or just similar |
| 00:56:19 | Mikachu | maybe you can break it in by being llorean_the_nerd for a few weeks |
| 00:56:33 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 00:56:42 | Mikachu | is that a spanish ll or just l like in llama? |
| 00:56:49 | Llorean | Llama |
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| 00:57:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | There |
| 00:59:51 | markun | a friend told me another friend of his is also working on a rockbox port and never saw me here.. Too bad he didn't know his nick. |
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| 01:01:58 | Rori | someone did a head to head of the Creative 630's to the Senn 300's |
| 01:02:17 | Rori | they say the Senn's win hands down and the comparison is unrealistic |
| 01:02:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | You talking about the CNET article? |
| 01:02:32 | Rori | http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2103852&postcount=312 |
| 01:02:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you read more on Head-Fi, there are plenty others who dispute that |
| 01:02:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, sorry, ZDNet |
| 01:03:05 | tom__ | How come when the bass hits it sort of cuts off most of the other music :\ |
| 01:03:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because the earphones are bad |
| 01:03:22 | tom__ | they're the sennheisers that come with it |
| 01:03:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 01:03:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | MX300s or MX400s. They cost about $8 if you buy them on their own. |
| 01:03:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're okay, better than the Apple iPod phones, but nothing to write home about. |
| 01:04:00 | tom__ | :( |
| 01:04:30 | sharpe | wahhh! |
| 01:04:51 | scottder | Sony EX71's are ok too |
| 01:05:00 | crashd | yeah, i use the ex71's as everyday phones |
| 01:05:13 | crashd | the problem there is the cable rubber insulation degrades easily |
| 01:05:15 | scottder | bit bass heavy, but otherwise not bad |
| 01:05:28 | scottder | I love my Koss KSC-35's |
| 01:05:30 | crashd | looking to get some new ones soon tho |
| 01:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really if you want good sound quality, you either need to spend quite a bit, or get actual headphones, rather than earbuds or IEMs. |
| 01:05:34 | scottder | best $10 I ever spent |
| 01:06:25 | Rori | I am impressed with the CX300's thus far and I usually listen to my PX100's |
| 01:06:40 | tom__ | you look like a twat walking around with headphones on though |
| 01:06:45 | crashd | i was thinking of the px100's |
| 01:06:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | The PX100s are nice. |
| 01:06:52 | crashd | but yeah, what tom says, and also, they arent very good in noisy places |
| 01:07:02 | Mikachu | what's the m for? in ear macaroni? |
| 01:07:02 | Rori | px100's totally rock |
| 01:07:17 | tom__ | You're all talking in codes! :p |
| 01:07:19 | Rori | but for noisey places the CX300's own |
| 01:07:22 | tom__ | the SDX3345666 xD |
| 01:07:35 | Rori | Not quite as solid as the PX100's bass is but still great |
| 01:08:41 | Rori | Ultimate ears foamies apparently fit the Senn cx300's |
| 01:08:49 | Rori | I might order their trial pack in that case |
| 01:09:16 | tom__ | so is it time I keep bending my sennheisers and then say "oops they're broked" and get a new pair ? :p |
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| 01:10:23 | Rori | depends on your ears |
| 01:10:35 | Rori | the mx senn range use old ear shape and I hate those |
| 01:10:51 | tom__ | the original ones hurt my ears |
| 01:10:54 | Rori | always falling out and not delivering any bass. have to turn them to get into ear |
| 01:11:10 | Rori | get the cx300's you won't be disappointed |
| 01:11:16 | tom__ | how much are they? |
| 01:11:34 | Rori | you can get them for a little over £30 |
| 01:12:01 | tom__ | Jesus O_O |
| 01:12:40 | Rori | to me that is cheap considering the alternatives |
| 01:13:36 | scottder | Just about anything is better than stock apple buds...I can;t stand those things |
| 01:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw someone using them today |
| 01:14:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | With a non-Apple player |
| 01:14:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which meant it was by choice. |
| 01:15:05 | Mikachu | they don't fall out of my ears, that's my only condition |
| 01:15:06 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm wondering if this is worse than a regular iPod user...:) |
| 01:17:25 | Genre9mp3 | I mean, what would you prefer....an iPod user OR a non-iPod user that chooses the iPod buds! :) |
| 01:17:43 | tom__ | CX300s are Ipod? :\ |
| 01:17:56 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: are you sure they weren't just white? |
| 01:18:03 | tom__ | oh, you said the stock apple buds :p |
| 01:18:21 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...I was refering to the stock apple buds |
| 01:18:36 | crashd | emc clarion cx300's? |
| 01:18:40 | crashd | eurgh |
| 01:18:43 | crashd | what am i talking about |
| 01:18:50 | tom__ | going say, I was gonna say no way am I getting these CX300 if they're even vaguely related to ipod! :p |
| 01:18:54 | crashd | the senns |
| 01:19:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: The iPod buds have a pretty distinctive look to them. They may have been imitators, but they had the whole look. |
| 01:19:37 | tom__ | the ipod ones are crap |
| 01:24:33 | Genre9mp3 | Are the EP-630 considered as good earphones for their price range? |
| 01:24:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally yes |
| 01:24:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, definitely for the price range |
| 01:24:54 | Genre9mp3 | I found them for only 25 Eur. |
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| 01:24:57 | tom__ | i tell you what though, rockbox is a pain in the arse if you organise your tunes by release date and such |
| 01:25:14 | tom__ | to get it to play all the tunes at random |
| 01:25:18 | Rori | Sennheiser CX300's totally rock |
| 01:25:25 | tom__ | Givf me some! :) |
| 01:25:45 | tom__ | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000E6G9RI/203-3413275-9642349?_encoding=UTF8 |
| 01:25:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | tom__: Why's it so hard to play everything at random? Click on the music folder, choose "Insert Shuffled" under playlist, and you're done |
| 01:26:32 | tom__ | Erm, I have Music/2006/Month/Date/ReleaseName/ |
| 01:26:39 | tom__ | and I want to play ALL within 2006 |
| 01:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | So click and hold on 2006, choose Playlist, then INsert Shuffled |
| 01:27:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as you have "Recursively insert directories" set to something other than "Off" you'l lbe fine |
| 01:28:01 | tom__ | Well played that man, it works :D |
| 01:28:04 | Genre9mp3 | Wow, just checked to the e-shop again....not available anymore...damn! |
| 01:28:14 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.500691 |
| 01:28:24 | Genre9mp3 | Of course, it's in greek... |
| 01:28:39 | Genre9mp3 | you won't understand much... |
| 01:28:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 01:29:03 | Mikachu | "looks like greek to me" |
| 01:29:30 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: It is greek... |
| 01:29:39 | Mikachu | i was joking |
| 01:29:43 | Genre9mp3 | Also, I'm from Greece.... |
| 01:29:52 | Mikachu | yes, i am aware of that |
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| 01:30:12 | Genre9mp3 | And also I'm embarassed of another person that is from Greece, too... |
| 01:30:27 | Genre9mp3 | And of course...I'm not talkin' about XavierGr |
| 01:30:31 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 01:30:39 | XavierGr | haha |
| 01:30:39 | Mikachu | that romanos character? |
| 01:30:46 | XavierGr | yes |
| 01:30:47 | Genre9mp3 | yes.... |
| 01:30:58 | XavierGr | next time I see him here I will ask someone to ban him |
| 01:31:34 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 01:31:41 | sharpe | why? |
| 01:31:47 | tom__ | what is "party mode" |
| 01:32:03 | XavierGr | sharpe: he sweared a dev in greek.... |
| 01:32:22 | sharpe | tom__: for when you're in a partying mood, of course... |
| 01:32:24 | Mikachu | i'm not a dev, did he swear at someone else? |
| 01:32:24 | preglow | oh noes |
| 01:32:46 | Genre9mp3 | and I cannot figure out why the hell did he do that... |
| 01:32:53 | sharpe | :'( |
| 01:33:08 | XavierGr | Mikachu: I thought you were a dev ;) |
| 01:33:12 | tom__ | no, really sharpe? |
| 01:33:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | tom__: It basically makes playback unstoppable. Clicking on songs queues them up rather than starting them immediately, and so on. |
| 01:33:16 | Genre9mp3 | I got so angry when I was reading the logs... |
| 01:33:20 | Mikachu | XavierGr: i just talk a lot |
| 01:33:41 | sharpe | nobody thinks i'm a dev... |
| 01:33:46 | tom__ | ah yes ta Paul_The_Nerd |
| 01:33:50 | preglow | you don't talk enough, then! |
| 01:34:04 | sharpe | i'm more random than anything though. |
| 01:34:05 | Genre9mp3 | Blah blah blah... |
| 01:34:07 | preglow | people think i'm a dev to this day just because i never shutup |
| 01:34:19 | sharpe | but... |
| 01:34:19 | Mikachu | aren't you? :) |
| 01:34:24 | XavierGr | Mikachu: I thought you have CVS access, don't you? |
| 01:34:26 | Mikachu | no |
| 01:34:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: People mistake _me_ for a dev ALL the time. =/ |
| 01:34:32 | sharpe | he's in the credits! |
| 01:34:35 | preglow | Mikachu: well, yes, but... |
| 01:34:37 | Mikachu | but some of my patches have been comitted |
| 01:34:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's all a factor of talking alot and being able to pretend you know what you're talking about. |
| 01:35:01 | sharpe | i think when everyone's away, and i'm the only one left to help, i may get mistaken for one... |
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| 01:35:31 | sharpe | anyway, as we were talking about the dual cores... |
| 01:35:36 | sharpe | :D |
| 01:36:10 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: sounds a lot like a guide for life, heh |
| 01:36:23 | sharpe | it works with most people... |
| 01:36:26 | tom__ | Paul_The_Nerd, on the crossfade too, what is the delay and what is the duration? |
| 01:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | tom__: Unfortunatel, crossfade _always_ confuses me. But that one's explained rather well in the manual |
| 01:37:19 | tom__ | Hmm i just searched it, on the wiki and nothing |
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| 01:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The WikiManual? |
| 01:37:46 | tom__ | yeah |
| 01:37:52 | sharpe | shouldn't you try the manual-manual? |
| 01:38:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think the WikiManual has a crossfade entry |
| 01:38:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It might, but I'm not getting good results when searching rockbox.org as a whole for crossfade. It's in the PDF manual though |
| 01:38:49 | tom__ | yeah found it in the pdf manual |
| 01:39:10 | Mikachu | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=crossfade&num=30&hl=en&c2coff=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=pdf&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=rockbox.org&as_rights=&safe=off |
| 01:39:18 | sharpe | oh god! |
| 01:39:23 | sharpe | huge url! |
| 01:39:25 | sharpe | it burns! |
| 01:39:25 | * | amiconn prefers automatic manuals ;) |
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| 01:39:35 | sharpe | that's an oxymoron, isn't it? |
| 01:40:22 | sharpe | god, i hate pencils with larger than .5mm graphite. |
| 01:42:24 | tom__ | 83% battery and 7hrs remaining O_o |
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| 01:43:50 | tom__ | woah, that crossfade mix mode is owning :) |
| 01:43:55 | tom__ | Like having a portable DJ! :) |
| 01:44:45 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 01:44:56 | sharpe | when should i get to work on the SIDE port? |
| 01:45:11 | tom__ | only problem is, it's fuzzing and cutting out sound with too much bass |
| 01:45:31 | tom__ | and my earphones are really uncomfortable |
| 01:46:04 | sharpe | sometimes i keep my headphones in when i have my ipod turned off, for no reason. |
| 01:46:10 | sharpe | earbuds. |
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| 01:53:16 | sharpe | i feel like i'm ignored sometimes |
| 01:54:31 | preglow | i just don't feel like commenting your headphone habits |
| 01:55:38 | sharpe | meh. |
| 01:55:58 | sharpe | you should. they're so important. |
| 01:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want to feel validated I can start to intentionally ignore you, just so it's not paranoia. |
| 01:56:49 | sharpe | nah, it's okay. i just figured out another point |
| 01:58:41 | sharpe | oh, and i promise to everyone i'll have something other than screenshots for the SIDE port by sometime this weekend. |
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| 02:02:17 | sharpe | okay, i'm done with my daily ramblings. i'll be silent now. |
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| 02:25:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since it's so bloody quiet in here right now, anyone got a favorite portable video playing device (not like iPod Video, or Iaudio X5, but something that's designed as a portable media device, rather than DAP+Vid)? |
| 02:26:55 | XavierGr | something like DVP? |
| 02:26:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm thinking about something HD based to watch videos on, battery life no real issue, but image quality is. |
| 02:27:17 | XavierGr | look the pmps iriver or archos is selling |
| 02:27:18 | sharpe | well, the only portable device i have that plays videos, is a dvd player, but, that's not really included there. |
| 02:27:31 | Genre9mp3 | Like Cowon A2 or the iriver PMP... |
| 02:27:55 | sharpe | what about a laptop? :) |
| 02:27:58 | Genre9mp3 | I'm noty really interested in such devices.. |
| 02:28:22 | Mikachu | i know there are portable dvd players with builtin lcds... |
| 02:28:33 | sharpe | yep, tis the kind i have. |
| 02:28:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Laptop's too big |
| 02:28:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I considered the iRiver PMP and PMC, but both seem to have a LOT of complaints. |
| 02:29:14 | hardeep | If you're into games as well, the PSP is pretty good for viewing movies (not HD based though) |
| 02:29:22 | Genre9mp3 | Theres are also some Archos devices... |
| 02:29:28 | Genre9mp3 | AV500..AV700... |
| 02:29:29 | sharpe | don't the memory sticks, cost a lot? |
| 02:29:38 | hardeep | not so much nowadays |
| 02:29:42 | sharpe | ah... |
| 02:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: I have a lot of complaints about the PSP already, even without the storage issue. |
| 02:30:39 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 02:30:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Those look interesting. And just about the right price too. |
| 02:31:07 | sharpe | what about the gpx2 (?) or the gp32... |
| 02:31:15 | Genre9mp3 | The AV700 is really big one... |
| 02:31:17 | sharpe | although they're kind of expensive. |
| 02:31:28 | sharpe | well... not really. |
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| 02:31:57 | sharpe | but i think they're supposed to get five hours of video playback... |
| 02:31:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Compared to the AV500 or 700, they're cheap. Again though, very limited memory |
| 02:32:03 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 02:32:20 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...almost forgot the iStation V43... |
| 02:32:47 | sharpe | well, that cheapness could be made up in 1gb SD cards! :) |
| 02:33:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd take an awful lot of 'em |
| 02:33:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 02:33:14 | sharpe | heheh |
| 02:33:19 | sharpe | i want to get one though... |
| 02:33:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do want a GP2X or X2 or whatever the new one is. |
| 02:33:43 | sharpe | gpx2 i think. |
| 02:33:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But right now I need a video-dedicated device, that I'll probably be buying next month. |
| 02:33:46 | sharpe | or 2x... |
| 02:35:02 | sharpe | eh, i want one to play around with. i'd try to port rockbox, but i know i'd fail. it'd probably be not too much of use to do so either. |
| 02:35:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | The GPX2 supports SDL, you could probably just compile the sim for it. :-P |
| 02:35:40 | sharpe | heheh |
| 02:36:05 | sharpe | shhh, we just won't tell them how we got rockbox running on an x86... |
| 02:36:31 | Mikachu | i don't suppose anyone's ported sdl to ipodlinux? |
| 02:36:40 | sharpe | because. there are like, no toolchains for the x86 processors. 'cmon. |
| 02:36:52 | sharpe | wouldn't that be somewhat pointless? |
| 02:36:57 | Mikachu | yeah who would want to compile x86 code in this day and age? |
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| 02:37:11 | sharpe | i know, they're so out of date. |
| 02:37:41 | Mikachu | nobody even remembers what the x stands for |
| 02:37:45 | sharpe | who uses that architecture anymore? |
| 02:38:51 | sharpe | you know what'd be really time consuming and probably not much fun at all while working on it? |
| 02:39:29 | Mikachu | no what? |
| 02:39:34 | sharpe | building a processor out of transistors. |
| 02:39:47 | Mikachu | i thought that was the classical approach |
| 02:39:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone built a difference engine out of Legos. But then, that's just cool. |
| 02:40:25 | sharpe | well... it was... but not with modern transistors. |
| 02:40:27 | Mikachu | build an x86 out of radio tubes |
| 02:41:24 | sharpe | 4004 would probably be one of the easier processors to implement in transistors :D |
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| 02:41:53 | sharpe | only need a few thousand for that... |
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| 02:45:36 | sharpe | wow, i really cannot figure out what's wrong with the cpu emulation, as to why it's freezing, or, at least the screen is whenever an enemy is hit... |
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| 03:08:41 | daurn|laptop | yo |
| 03:08:43 | Link9064 | Could anyone tell me what input a Jukebox Recorder 20 takes? I have an adaptor for this and a FM20, which are 6 and 9V |
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| 03:26:50 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 03:26:54 | daurn|laptop | BHSPitLappy: go away |
| 03:26:55 | daurn|laptop | XD |
| 03:27:02 | BHSPitLappy | ouch |
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| 03:27:13 | BHSPitLappy | that hurts |
| 03:29:22 | daurn|laptop | i'm sick of seeing your nick in the list |
| 03:29:30 | daurn|laptop | make it start with Z or something |
| 03:29:32 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 03:29:48 | BHSPitLappy | you. |
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| 03:36:49 | sharpe | ... |
| 03:37:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ::: |
| 03:38:40 | sharpe | i think i'll set up eclipse to compile rockbox... for i have nothing better to do so. |
| 03:38:49 | sharpe | -so. |
| 03:39:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Eclipse and I didn't end up getting along. |
| 03:39:19 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I tried using it for a few projects. |
| 03:39:46 | BHSPitLappy | lots of people seem to dislike Eclipse completely |
| 03:39:57 | Mikachu | i haven't even used it and i dislike it |
| 03:40:02 | sharpe | well, we'll see how it and i get along... |
| 03:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the end the only use I found for it was that it could do syntax highlighting well enough for PHP, and the preview window was okay for that. |
| 03:40:06 | BHSPitLappy | for the most part, I think it's that a lot of people don't care for IDE's |
| 03:40:16 | sharpe | i do. |
| 03:40:26 | Mikachu | i like my gvim |
| 03:40:41 | BHSPitLappy | I like my... Kate? |
| 03:40:42 | sharpe | of course, i'm just injecting my opinion into a conversation i'm slightly involved in. :D |
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| 03:40:52 | sharpe | BHSPitLappy: ah? |
| 03:41:09 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: ha! |
| 03:41:13 | sharpe | woo! |
| 03:41:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a solution. Dictate all code to another human, and let them deal with project management etc. |
| 03:41:22 | BHSPitLappy | whee! |
| 03:41:30 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:41:38 | BHSPitLappy | great idea, actually |
| 03:41:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Things can always be made more complex. |
| 03:41:56 | BHSPitLappy | Paul_The_Nerd: got a pencil? ;) |
| 03:42:22 | sharpe | although, i have to say i do like the eclipse logo. |
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| 03:42:57 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 03:43:11 | sharpe | oh wow, it's not an installer. how unexpected. |
| 03:43:29 | BHSPitLappy | I like the idea of an IDE with tutorials built-in :P |
| 03:43:32 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:43:43 | sharpe | IDEWTBI? |
| 03:43:53 | BHSPitLappy | I think the term is, "ECLIPSE" |
| 03:43:59 | sharpe | true. |
| 03:46:38 | sharpe | what's the name of my SIDE port? |
| 03:48:01 | sharpe | ah... anyone? :) |
| 03:48:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | SIDErock sounds kinda like a mangled "sidewalk" which is kinda funny. |
| 03:48:51 | sharpe | i thought about something akin to Spin |
| 03:48:51 | Mikachu | amiconn or preglow will kill you |
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| 03:49:07 | sharpe | because we do need more plugins with some play on the name 'rockbox' |
| 03:49:17 | Mikachu | you can call it boxcide |
| 03:49:30 | sharpe | but... where do you get space invaders out of that? |
| 03:49:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I'm actually not a fan of all the RockXXXX or XXXXbox names either, but I like to suggest them just for Preglow 'n Amiconn's sake. |
| 03:49:59 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 03:50:05 | sharpe | i think they sound kind of redundant... |
| 03:50:28 | sharpe | Spine ? |
| 03:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't even know what SIDE is. |
| 03:51:03 | sharpe | ooh! sp could be for space, in for invaders, and e for emulator |
| 03:51:07 | Mikachu | space invaders something emulator |
| 03:51:14 | sharpe | space invaders didactic emulator, i think |
| 03:51:20 | Mikachu | i'll didact YOU |
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| 03:51:27 | sharpe | oh yeah? |
| 03:51:27 | * | Mikachu looks up didactic |
| 03:51:36 | sharpe | something about teaching. |
| 03:51:49 | Mikachu | instructive (especially excessively) |
| 03:51:56 | Mikachu | excessively prone to instruct, even those who do not wish to be instructed |
| 03:51:58 | sharpe | :) |
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| 03:52:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone told google to define didactic, didn't they? |
| 03:52:08 | sharpe | autodidactic is, a self taugh person... |
| 03:52:15 | sharpe | taught. |
| 03:52:18 | Mikachu | but didact isn't a verb :( |
| 03:52:25 | sharpe | didacticate? |
| 03:52:33 | Mikachu | nope |
| 03:52:37 | sharpe | aww. |
| 03:52:45 | sharpe | but... would Spine Work? |
| 03:52:49 | Mikachu | didactyl is an animal with two digits |
| 03:53:55 | Mikachu | nothing else starts with didact |
| 03:54:02 | sharpe | nope... |
| 03:54:13 | Mikachu | except stuff like didactical and didacticism |
| 03:54:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Spine is fine by me. |
| 03:55:11 | sharpe | it has a hidden meaning, only the few of us will know. and the people who read logs. can't forget about them. |
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| 04:00:06 | Mikachu | it'spine by me |
| 04:00:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ugh |
| 04:00:25 | Mikachu | i'm aiming for the Bad Pun of the Year award |
| 04:00:56 | sharpe | we should give out awards in the name of rockbox. |
| 04:01:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you got 7 months of potential puns to go before you'l lknow |
| 04:01:29 | sharpe | that's a lot of punnication. |
| 04:02:46 | sharpe | ... it took me three tries to click the "extract" button... it's a huge button... |
| 04:04:14 | Mikachu | nice |
| 04:05:40 | Mikachu | bed time now, got to rest my spine |
| 04:05:52 | sharpe | g'night |
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| 04:48:41 | earHertz | + |
| 04:48:56 | sharpe | i'm going to try to get eclipse working with rockbox. |
| 04:49:03 | sharpe | in the next few minutes i have. |
| 04:49:11 | earHertz | old directions for that in teh documentation |
| 04:49:21 | JdGordon | eclipse? |
| 04:49:25 | earHertz | yah |
| 04:49:28 | JdGordon | hows the c64 coming sharpe ? |
| 04:49:35 | Dgently | Evening ll |
| 04:49:39 | sharpe | old directions don't seem to work for me. |
| 04:49:40 | Dgently | all that is. |
| 04:49:48 | sharpe | consider they're from 3 years ago. |
| 04:50:00 | sharpe | eh, the c64 is still the same as it's been... |
| 04:50:00 | earHertz | is the button handling in the main thread, or does it have its own thread? |
| 04:50:15 | sharpe | ? |
| 04:50:48 | sharpe | i'd assume... it's own thread. |
| 04:54:04 | earHertz | anyone know about the cpu speed on teh ipod? |
| 04:55:11 | sharpe | what about it? |
| 04:55:14 | JdGordon | 400mhz isnt it? |
| 04:55:18 | sharpe | 75mhz... |
| 04:55:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 30 unboosted, 75 boosted. |
| 04:56:07 | sharpe | or 24mhz... |
| 04:56:11 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:56:15 | earHertz | on my build it's 30. if I up it to 75, it's fast3r, but when I access the menu, the display becomes random characters |
| 04:56:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | You shouldn't up it manually |
| 04:56:34 | daurn|laptop | 200? |
| 04:56:35 | * | JdGordon wonders where he got 400 from :p |
| 04:56:43 | daurn|laptop | *2 |
| 04:56:43 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 04:56:47 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: is it safe to up it programmatically? |
| 04:56:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It automatically boosts itself when decoding or plugins need to boost. The menus are sluggish right now, yes, but that's more a fault of lack of optimization than anything |
| 04:57:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though it shouldn't cause your menus to scramble either way |
| 04:57:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | What type of iPod do you have. |
| 04:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Isn't one of the other potential targets a 300 or 400mhz ARM core? |
| 04:57:46 | JdGordon | oh that could be why |
| 04:58:27 | earHertz | the scrolling is sluggush −− if I move my finger quickly on teh scroll wheel, I generate keypresses to quickly for the code to use −− teh code is written to not emit more keys until the button queue is empty |
| 04:58:38 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: I have a video ipod |
| 04:58:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: So, 5G. Do you compile your own build, or use the daily? |
| 04:58:53 | earHertz | er, s/to/too |
| 04:58:59 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: my own build |
| 04:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | What GCC version, out of curiosity? |
| 04:59:15 | earHertz | with logf but not debug |
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| 05:00:26 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: arm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0. |
| 05:00:30 | earHertz | er, 4.0.2 |
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| 05:01:37 | daurn|laptop | any chance of someone porting rockbox to the gmini 4** |
| 05:01:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Nobody's ever reported the menus scrambling bug before. |
| 05:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: It's open source. Feel free. |
| 05:01:53 | earHertz | I should report it, I guess |
| 05:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: First be sure you can reproduce it with an actual build. It could be an artifact of the logf. |
| 05:02:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I don't know how |
| 05:03:12 | sharpe | g'night. |
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| 05:03:22 | daurn|laptop | Paul_The_Nerd: how bout some info on what to do free |
| 05:03:23 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 05:03:31 | daurn|laptop | without the "free" |
| 05:03:31 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 05:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Like this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
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| 05:07:57 | daurn|laptop | well |
| 05:08:02 | daurn|laptop | the device is known about |
| 05:08:08 | daurn|laptop | we have the hardware addresses |
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| 05:08:19 | daurn|laptop | and pictures are already uploaded to various locations |
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| 05:24:24 | earHertz | hmm, boosting the cpu on th ebutton code helps, but not enough |
| 05:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about simply boosting it while the backlight is on? |
| 05:25:34 | earHertz | that's almosgt the same thing; the code that reads teh keys turns on teh backlight |
| 05:25:58 | earHertz | except, I luimit the boost to when the finger is touching teh scroll wheel |
| 05:26:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I thought you said simply manually increasing the CPU speed was enough earlier? |
| 05:26:18 | earHertz | once the finger come sup, the boost is turned off |
| 05:26:46 | earHertz | it's better, but the queue still isn't consumed fast enough |
| 05:28:01 | earHertz | oh, on a related issue, I've experiemented with two forms of accelaerated scrolling |
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| 05:29:00 | earHertz | n form scrolls the list in bigger jumps after the scroll whell has been "turned" 360 degrees; for each "turn" up to five revs, the jump is increased |
| 05:29:18 | earHertz | from scroll by line to scroll by page, to scroll 1%, then 10%, then 25% |
| 05:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't even get through one page of elements with a full 360 degree rotation... |
| 05:29:57 | earHertz | I also have a version where the area initially touched sets teh scroll factor: upper left quadrent is by page, lower left by 10%, etc. |
| 05:31:03 | earHertz | You'll fins that how far yiou get depends on now fast you move. Ironically, moving faster gets you LESS scrolling, because the queue isn't consumed and teh "keystrokes" are discarded |
| 05:31:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know, but it also depends on font size and other things |
| 05:31:28 | daurn|laptop | Paul_The_Nerd: where to from now? |
| 05:31:29 | earHertz | yeah |
| 05:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | A "number of rotations" based system is flawed since it will vary based on screen sizes. |
| 05:31:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | How bout something like this: |
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| 05:31:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Normal method is single element scrolls |
| 05:32:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tap on one half the wheel (left, right, top, or bottom half) then release and tap again to start scrolling by page. |
| 05:32:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tap on one half, then press the other half and start scrolling for 10% |
| 05:32:31 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: my second mod does exactly that, except you don't have to tap |
| 05:32:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Forget about 25%. That way it's less location dependent and more gesture |
| 05:32:51 | earHertz | where you begin teh scroll determines the scroll method |
| 05:32:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't like the concept of having to think about specifically where I touch the wheel, and think it might be better if it's _how) |
| 05:33:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Look at existing rockbox bootloader code, and start working on a bootloader, as it somewhat says in the newport page. |
| 05:33:55 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: if you wan't accurate scroll delta, by the way, see my patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5423 |
| 05:34:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: A position dependent method is especially bad for blind users, users with the nano's terrible small wheel, or users trying to manipulate it while not looking. |
| 05:34:22 | earHertz | Yes, you're right |
| 05:34:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why I was suggesting the gesture method. There's always an opposite half relative to where you first touch it, and you only need to know where you touched relative, not absolutely. :) |
| 05:35:25 | earHertz | Good point |
| 05:36:20 | earHertz | ultimately, what I want is to tie method to the speed of teh scrolling. with my patch, I think I can make that happen |
| 05:36:52 | earHertz | there's also an existing patch by chris russel that does that, but it's ha,pered by the bug that my patch fixes |
| 05:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 05:37:31 | earHertz | wit the bug, it's very very hard to get a high scroll delta, because the original posotion is reset (incorrectly, I think) if teh queue is not emty |
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| 05:38:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall there queue was cleared so that it would never continue scrolling after you lifted your finger from the wheel. |
| 05:39:06 | earHertz | well, not quite |
| 05:39:18 | earHertz | the key isn't actually discard, it's never posted |
| 05:39:37 | earHertz | doing a queue_clear when teh finger lifts also works |
| 05:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:39:50 | * | earHertz has tried several things |
| 05:40:34 | earHertz | also, making teh scroll threshold three works fine; the cvs code uses a threashold of five |
| 05:41:17 | dwihno | Is the wheel excessivly sensitive, or is it just me btw? |
| 05:41:39 | dwihno | (compared to the stock fw, that is) |
| 05:41:40 | earHertz | dwihno: what kind of ipod? |
| 05:41:47 | dwihno | earHertz: 5g |
| 05:41:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it'll be nice to see some improvements in the scrolling. There probably hasn't been much looking at it. Feature freeze now, and before that more major things than UI woes, y'know? Hehehe. |
| 05:42:23 | earHertz | 5g has 96 absolute scroll positions. the cvs code generates a key if teh abs( delta) > 4 |
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| 05:42:50 | dwihno | hm |
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| 05:43:11 | earHertz | dwihno: experiment with chnaging that threshold. for me, using three works better |
| 05:43:17 | daurn|laptop | Paul_The_Nerd: for the bootlodaer, do you mean to make one that is flashed to firmware? |
| 05:43:19 | daurn|laptop | or what? |
| 05:43:35 | earHertz | or, actually, two: abs( delat) > 2 |
| 05:43:38 | dwihno | earHertz: 3? that will just make it more sensitive.. or will it? |
| 05:43:43 | earHertz | yes |
| 05:43:54 | earHertz | if you find it too sensitive, make it 7 |
| 05:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Depends on your device. iPods have a bootloader built in that loads code from disk, so we just had to place ours in the right place on disk. iRivers don't, so we had to flash ours on it. |
| 05:44:08 | dwihno | earHertz: it's those things that should be configurable :D |
| 05:44:17 | earHertz | dwihno: I was just about to say that |
| 05:44:30 | daurn|laptop | its an archos |
| 05:44:36 | daurn|laptop | and i belie it has a firmware chip |
| 05:44:38 | earHertz | will you be kind either to make that happen? |
| 05:44:56 | daurn|laptop | i have details on y main comp |
| 05:45:01 | daurn|laptop | which is being used atm |
| 05:45:07 | daurn|laptop | y = my |
| 05:45:17 | dwihno | earHertz: I am not authorized to do such things :) |
| 05:45:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: Well, as that page says, most of the work needs to be done by you, or someone else with the device and enough interest to do the work. |
| 05:45:28 | earHertz | dwihno: write a patch, submiy it |
| 05:45:49 | * | earHertz hates writing UI code |
| 05:45:53 | daurn|laptop | all the devs with the device are working on medios |
| 05:46:04 | daurn|laptop | - which works through an avi exploit |
| 05:46:12 | dwihno | earHertz: I haven't committed a patch in, like, ages :) |
| 05:46:22 | earHertz | gwet to worjk |
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| 06:05:40 | daurn|laptop | woot |
| 06:05:43 | daurn|laptop | i think i did it |
| 06:05:50 | daurn|laptop | just added boot options |
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| 06:05:55 | daurn|laptop | and changed my root pw |
| 06:06:10 | daurn|laptop | arg |
| 06:06:13 | daurn|laptop | wrong chan |
| 06:06:17 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 06:06:51 | Doomed | lol |
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| 06:11:11 | Doomed | ahhhh i like the optimized builds but i like having the up-to-date cvs |
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| 06:24:20 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 06:24:27 | daurn|laptop | i like out-of-date builds |
| 06:25:07 | BHSPitLappy | daurn|laptop: don't I know you from another network |
| 06:25:15 | BHSPitLappy | toc2rta or something |
| 06:25:20 | daurn|laptop | vgirc |
| 06:25:21 | daurn|laptop | i think |
| 06:25:23 | BHSPitLappy | k |
| 06:25:32 | Doomed | psp |
| 06:25:41 | BHSPitLappy | wasn't sure since you're not there now... |
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| 06:54:40 | baaps | hello |
| 06:54:54 | baaps | I'm getting an error on the final step of installing rockbox on my ipod photo |
| 06:55:01 | baaps | [ERR] File is too large for firmware partition, aborting. |
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| 06:58:02 | Apostle^ | recently i've had to reinstall rockbox and i'm having a problem any ideas? |
| 06:58:12 | Apostle^ | i should probably mention the problem.. |
| 06:58:25 | JdGordon | that might help.. |
| 06:58:47 | Apostle^ | dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin count=1 works fine resulting in a 512byte file but, dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin goes on forever |
| 06:59:16 | Apostle^ | hmm, never mind that problem seems to have cleared up |
| 06:59:17 | Apostle^ | odd.. |
| 06:59:34 | JdGordon | dd if=/dev/sda1 shouldnt that be dd if=/dev/sda ? |
| 06:59:43 | * | JdGordon doesnt have an ipod |
| 06:59:50 | Apostle^ | i got it working |
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| 07:00:01 | Apostle^ | i was under the impression it was going to stop at 10mb |
| 07:00:02 | Apostle^ | i was wrong |
| 07:00:31 | Apostle^ | in the guide they should put ./ before the ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin command since novices might not know that :-) |
| 07:00:52 | JdGordon | its a wiki... you can change it yourself if u tihnk it needs changing.. |
| 07:01:22 | Apostle^ | i'll add the ./ part |
| 07:04:21 | JdGordon | how do i get .mov's working in linux? ive got xine and w32codecs installed fine.. |
| 07:04:54 | Galois | I think I wrote that part. The reason I didn't write ./ is because I did not want to presume that ipod_fw is in the current directory |
| 07:05:50 | Galois | never mind, the truth is I just borrowed from the bootloader page and the bootloader page had no ./ |
| 07:05:56 | daurn|laptop | so add ./pathtodir/ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 07:05:56 | Galois | JdGordon: mplayer will do it |
| 07:05:57 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:06:21 | Galois | it's linux, one should assume that the user knows how paths work |
| 07:06:23 | Galois | IMO |
| 07:06:35 | JdGordon | Galois: mplayer just closes as soon as it trys to play the mov |
| 07:06:38 | Apostle^ | arg, whats error -1 mean again i remember getting it before |
| 07:06:56 | Galois | right, well, mplayer is buggy |
| 07:07:05 | Galois | but if it weren't for that bug, mplayer would do it |
| 07:07:43 | JdGordon | xine says unsupported audio codec and asks if it should play anyway, clicking yes closes it also |
| 07:08:08 | Apostle^ | arg, whats error -1 mean again i remember getting it before |
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| 07:12:04 | Apostle^ | anyone? |
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| 07:16:04 | Apostle^ | ;-( |
| 07:24:03 | Apostle^ | figured it out |
| 07:24:03 | Apostle^ | lol |
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| 07:28:10 | Apostle^ | can you delete a dir from within rockbox? |
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| 07:30:41 | Apostle^ | hmm it seems i install rockbox on the ipod |
| 07:30:45 | Apostle^ | it gets FAT file system errors |
| 07:30:52 | Apostle^ | but the apple firmware works fine |
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| 08:01:20 | Zendefera | hey, I just bought a ipod video 30gb , and followed the instructions, and it still boots into the apple os. one thing I noticed is that the bootpartition.bin is not 112mb, its like 80 mb, whats up? |
| 08:02:13 | jnc | oh hum |
| 08:02:26 | jnc | you probably skipped a step or two |
| 08:02:31 | jnc | using linux or wintel? |
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| 08:06:40 | Zendefera | windows |
| 08:07:01 | Zendefera | lets see, I what is there before getting the bootpartition.bin |
| 08:08:45 | JdGordon | by the file size diff im gonna guess u forgot to patch it with rockbox? |
| 08:10:16 | Zendefera | no, I just bought the ipod video just like 2 hours ago, I downloaded the ipodpatcher.exe, and ipod_fw.exe, and the bootloader-video.bin. I found out the drive number for it, then I did ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin, the filesize was like 80mb, but the info on the website says it should be 112 |
| 08:10:58 | JdGordon | dont u run ipodpatcher twice? |
| 08:11:13 | * | JdGordon doesnt have a ipod.. flying blind here |
| 08:15:01 | Zendefera | brb |
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| 08:21:51 | Zendefera | any ipod video users in here? |
| 08:22:02 | Presence | I'm a 60gig video user. |
| 08:22:54 | Zendefera | great |
| 08:23:01 | Zendefera | how big was your fw? |
| 08:23:22 | Zendefera | when I do ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin I get about a 80mb file, but the instructions says I should get about a 112mb |
| 08:23:27 | Presence | lemme check... |
| 08:23:55 | Zendefera | thanks |
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| 08:27:04 | Presence | 04/24/2006 09:02 PM 115,121,664 bootpartition.bin |
| 08:27:21 | Presence | thats my "retail" bootpartition |
| 08:27:38 | Zendefera | wierd. |
| 08:27:51 | Zendefera | I just bought a video 30gb, and I am only getting a 80mb file. |
| 08:28:02 | Zendefera | any ideas? |
| 08:28:06 | Presence | Beats the heck outta me. :Z^/ |
| 08:28:10 | Zendefera | damn |
| 08:28:25 | Zendefera | you followed the instructions on the website? |
| 08:28:37 | Presence | Yep, to the letter. |
| 08:28:46 | Zendefera | the ipod video manual doesn't have any instructions for installing the bootloader |
| 08:29:01 | Zendefera | so damned wierd. |
| 08:29:12 | Zendefera | and there is only one ipodpatcher for all ipods right? |
| 08:29:23 | Presence | I did it from the wiki's instructions... I was scared at first, but really, it shouldn't matter at all in the end. |
| 08:29:55 | Presence | I figure I'll never "go back", and if I *do* have to go back, I'll just do Apple's own "make it an ipod again" program. |
| 08:30:01 | Zendefera | do you have the url for the instructions you used? |
| 08:30:19 | Zendefera | bec maybe mine are screwed up |
| 08:30:28 | EbErT | how do you install the alternate bootloader for photo ipods that auto boots the regular os? |
| 08:30:28 | Presence | grabbing it now. |
| 08:30:38 | Zendefera | thanks |
| 08:30:49 | Presence | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 08:31:23 | EbErT | i tried just typing in it instead of the regular one |
| 08:31:35 | EbErT | replacing the regular ipod bootimage |
| 08:32:02 | Presence | You know, the next step after "read existing apple firmware" is: |
| 08:32:03 | Presence | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
| 08:32:12 | Presence | if it works, then there shouldn't be any concern. |
| 08:32:20 | EbErT | For not so enthusiastic iPod Photo/Color owners, MarcusBrito created a boot loader that inverts the way rockbox works: it will load the original firmeware by default, and only load Rockbox if the user keeps MENU pressed while booting. You can get this bootloader here. |
| 08:32:27 | EbErT | that part. |
| 08:32:48 | Presence | making that 5 meg apple_os.bin |
| 08:33:24 | Presence | Ebert, apparently those 4thGen owners on the forums are frustrated by constant problems getting their ipods to boot, I'm not suprised. |
| 08:33:50 | Presence | 04/24/2006 09:05 PM 6,455,420 apple_os.bin |
| 08:34:01 | Zendefera | ok. |
| 08:34:07 | EbErT | i just wanted to try this instead, i got the regular one to work no problem presence |
| 08:34:07 | Zendefera | I am retrying everything. |
| 08:34:36 | Zendefera | its just wierd how the ipodpatcher -r n bootpartition.bin command got a 80mb file instead of a 112mb file. |
| 08:34:59 | Presence | well, thats the size of a Nano image... :^/ |
| 08:35:12 | Zendefera | yeah I know, but I bought a ipod video 30gb. |
| 08:35:32 | Presence | heh |
| 08:35:47 | Presence | why not a 60Gig? |
| 08:36:10 | EbErT | e) Create the new Rockbox-enabled image file containing the Rockbox Bootloader |
| 08:36:27 | Zendefera | didn't have enough for the difference. |
| 08:36:31 | EbErT | ipod_fw -g color -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-color.bin |
| 08:37:05 | EbErT | instead of bootloader-color, its called bootloader-color_nodefault.bin (something like that). i typed that in instead, but didn't work |
| 08:37:36 | Presence | Do you HAVE the "nodefault" file in your folder? |
| 08:37:48 | EbErT | yes, all in same folder |
| 08:37:53 | Presence | beats me. |
| 08:38:21 | Zendefera | yup |
| 08:38:25 | EbErT | do you have to delete things and redo all the code to change the bootloader? |
| 08:39:56 | EbErT | i kinda retyped everything. went the same until the bootloader install part |
| 08:40:13 | EbErT | guess i'll delete all the rockbox stuff and try again |
| 08:40:23 | Zendefera | any developers in here? |
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| 08:42:54 | Presence | I think you can push through the 80meg-vs-115meg thing and keep going. |
| 08:43:14 | Presence | if you tank the booter, you can totalyl just use Apple's restore gizmo to put everything back to stock again. |
| 08:44:56 | Zendefera | where do I get apples restore prog? |
| 08:45:02 | Zendefera | its on apple.com? |
| 08:45:10 | EbErT | the ipodupdater |
| 08:45:24 | EbErT | you should already have it |
| 08:45:35 | EbErT | if not, on apple.com |
| 08:46:18 | Zendefera | ok, could it be that I have a brand new ipod with out any new updates? and thats why my bootpartition.bin is only 80mb? |
| 08:47:04 | EbErT | maybe. always good to update it to most recent before messing with things |
| 08:47:26 | Presence | Zende, I did my rockbox install immediatly after opening the ipod's box... didn't even boot it into Apple or attach it to iTunes. |
| 08:47:47 | EbErT | heh, geek :) |
| 08:47:57 | Zendefera | hmm. |
| 08:48:00 | Zendefera | fucking wierd. |
| 08:48:03 | Presence | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60983 |
| 08:48:08 | Presence | google for "apple ipod restore" |
| 08:48:11 | Presence | heh :) |
| 08:48:24 | EbErT | i say just try to go all the way through first |
| 08:48:27 | EbErT | see if it works |
| 08:48:39 | Presence | i agree.. just balls out do it. |
| 08:48:56 | EbErT | anyone tried the nodefault bootloader? |
| 08:49:09 | Presence | remember, all the rockbox bootloader wants is that 5 megs of whatever guts it takes to make the retail OS "go". Rockbox takes over the rest of the bootloader. |
| 08:49:31 | Presence | and if you hose your ipod, you won't even bother with the "original" 80 meg file anyways, you'll use Apple's "restore" program anyways. |
| 08:50:22 | Presence | Ebert, why would you WANT to go to Retail ever? I mean, Maaaaaybe for video, but ugh. I've booted into retail only once, just to *see* if video was worth the effort of reencoding videos for such a small screen. it wasn't. |
| 08:50:54 | Zendefera | well my problem is I installed the bootloader, but It didn'ttake. it just booted directly into the apple software. |
| 08:51:00 | Zendefera | should the ipod be off when I am doing this? |
| 08:51:03 | EbErT | presence, i can't get the id3 tags to work |
| 08:51:14 | Presence | Zend, wow! hahaha, thats kinda a cool little bug. :) |
| 08:51:20 | EbErT | and it likes to shut off and boot back up on its own |
| 08:51:35 | Presence | The ipod can't be "off" when you connect it as a drive letter to your computer... it goes into USB disc mode. |
| 08:51:51 | Zendefera | ok, I'm blind, so I can't see the screen. |
| 08:51:54 | EbErT | and sometimes starts playing on its own. |
| 08:51:56 | Zendefera | so I am on the drive hehe. |
| 08:52:03 | Presence | "shut off and boot back up on its own" <−− maybe thats the sleep timer or the auto-power-off of Rockbox? |
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| 08:52:17 | Zendefera | well I am gong to reload again. |
| 08:52:18 | Zendefera | brb |
| 08:52:27 | EbErT | but mainly my gripe is id3 tags. one or two must be corrupt. hangs up after a while when forcing cache |
| 08:52:48 | EbErT | which it would tell me which file it had a problem with |
| 08:52:56 | Presence | Huh. Dunno anything about tagCache... I <3 my file directory structure. |
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| 08:53:19 | EbErT | how do you have it? |
| 08:53:28 | EbErT | lots of playlists? |
| 08:53:46 | Presence | R:\music a-f\artist\album\01 - trackname.mp3 |
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| 08:54:03 | EbErT | cool |
| 08:54:07 | Presence | R:\music g-l\artist\album\01 - trackname.mp3 |
| 08:54:08 | Presence | etc etc |
| 08:54:11 | EbErT | how many songs on your ipod? |
| 08:54:15 | Presence | shit, beats me. |
| 08:54:22 | Presence | 35 gigs-ish. |
| 08:54:27 | EbErT | guestimate |
| 08:54:31 | EbErT | ah, same here |
| 08:55:24 | ACK54W | yo |
| 08:55:38 | Presence | OMGZ YO HAX TEH PL4N3T |
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| 08:57:24 | Zendefera | presence hey, how big is your rockboot.bin? |
| 08:58:18 | Presence | 442 Folders, 4,450 files, 25.2 gigs. |
| 08:58:32 | Presence | checking... |
| 08:58:40 | Zendefera | thanks |
| 08:58:49 | Presence | 04/24/2006 09:06 PM 11,769,856 rockboot.bin |
| 08:59:01 | Zendefera | ok, thats how big mine is. |
| 08:59:08 | Zendefera | good so far. |
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| 09:00:40 | Presence | kay, this is utterly ignorant, but Zende, how do you read lines in IRC sooo fast if yer, like uh, blind? |
| 09:01:26 | ACK54W | sixth sense |
| 09:01:34 | Zendefera | woohoo |
| 09:01:39 | Zendefera | got the firmware working correctly |
| 09:01:42 | Presence | I mean, the only thing i know about like "blind computing" is the touchie thing the dude in the movie "Sneakers" did that made a bunch of noise and he waved his fingers over it like a harp. |
| 09:02:15 | Zendefera | my computer reads them to me. |
| 09:02:22 | Zendefera | ever use the speech software for rockbox? |
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| 09:02:37 | Zendefera | enable speech sometime, on it and see how it rids stuff to you, thats how I read stuff. |
| 09:02:40 | Presence | Yikes, it must be Extremely annoying when dipshits type in elite speak then, huh? |
| 09:02:57 | EbErT | when letters are typed on the screen, the screen turns into raised braille |
| 09:03:10 | Zendefera | :) at times, but It doesn't boher me, I can usually understand it, because when it gets to garbidge, it'll read it letter by letter. |
| 09:03:27 | Zendefera | and I can use a invisible cursor, and review the screen, and go over things letter by letter. |
| 09:04:00 | Zendefera | well I have a braille terminal, but its not plugged in right now, because I hear faster than I can read with my fingers, and I don't have to get my fingers off the kb to red the braille. |
| 09:04:14 | EbErT | ya, i was just kidding :) |
| 09:04:15 | Presence | whoa, see, thats freaking cool... its a whole subset of interface thats utterly alien to me. |
| 09:05:12 | EbErT | its cool that you are probably more technologically advanced than i am. people can learn all different ways |
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| 09:06:56 | Zendefera | :P I am a computer science major, and almost done. |
| 09:07:06 | Presence | dude, that implies you can code. |
| 09:07:11 | Zendefera | specialize in communications development |
| 09:07:16 | Zendefera | yup. |
| 09:07:31 | linuxstb_ | Zendefera: 80MB is correct for the 30GB Video - the wiki was wrong. |
| 09:07:34 | Presence | dear god, you actually have to "listen" to each line of code? |
| 09:07:38 | Zendefera | c/c++ php java vb .net most .net langs actually and some others :) |
| 09:07:39 | Presence | perl must be like pure HELL |
| 09:07:58 | Zendefera | linuxstd ok, that should be updated |
| 09:07:59 | Presence | no, scratch perl, Debugging must be pure hell! |
| 09:08:11 | Zendefera | nah, its not to bad. |
| 09:08:11 | linuxstb_ | Zendefera: It is. |
| 09:08:28 | Zendefera | I memorize most of my code. so wheen I see debug errors, I know usually the area where the code is located. |
| 09:08:59 | Presence | > This should create a file in the current folder called bootpartition.bin (approximately 40MB for the iPod 4G and Color/Photo, 80MB for the Nano and 30GB Video, and 112MB for the 60GB Video) |
| 09:09:09 | Zendefera | ok, I see it now :) oops, has it beenlike that? |
| 09:09:09 | Presence | wow, that seriously was updated in the last 10 minutes. :) |
| 09:09:39 | Zendefera | ok, just making sure I just didn't misread the file. |
| 09:10:08 | Presence | when I used to write perl, I'd get a few k lines in, and forget what I wrote earlier, scroll up, and be like, "who pasted this trash in here?!! NO WAY is this me!" |
| 09:10:09 | Presence | heh |
| 09:10:16 | Zendefera | to pay for school and living, I am a web developer. |
| 09:10:40 | Zendefera | php/sql/java/javascript/html/xml :) |
| 09:10:49 | Zendefera | thems are my tools. |
| 09:11:06 | Zendefera | eventually once I get sometime, I am going to try and contribute to rockbox. |
| 09:11:10 | Presence | you clearly freaking rock. |
| 09:11:24 | Zendefera | I need to sit down and learn the code structure. |
| 09:11:30 | Presence | to be able to listen to code, remember it, and edit. And not go apeshit being impatient. |
| 09:11:34 | Zendefera | thanks, but its hard work. |
| 09:11:47 | Zendefera | I love comp sci. |
| 09:12:05 | Presence | you clearly are a freak. |
| 09:13:15 | Zendefera | :) |
| 09:13:23 | Zendefera | I know. geek to the letter. |
| 09:13:57 | Zendefera | but the world needs geeks like us :) |
| 09:14:01 | Zendefera | :) |
| 09:14:34 | EbErT | ya, help with rockbox! and not with those silly plugin games, the actual os |
| 09:15:07 | Zendefera | games mean nothing to me :) |
| 09:15:33 | Zendefera | accessability, and stuff are important to me, but os features and fixes are important as well. |
| 09:16:10 | Presence | so the album-art patch isn't a high priority, eh? :) |
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| 09:16:27 | EbErT | not a high priority for me either |
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| 09:16:51 | EbErT | i don't wanna look at the screen much, other than to find the song i want |
| 09:16:55 | Logicwax | hey, got a quick question...i put rockbox on my ipod photo....how do i mount it as a drive again in windows? |
| 09:17:00 | EbErT | durn id3 tags! |
| 09:17:20 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: The same way as you have always done - just plug it in. |
| 09:17:25 | Logicwax | yeah... |
| 09:17:26 | Logicwax | not workin |
| 09:17:27 | Presence | Logicwax, just plug yer ipod into the computer's USB port, it will automatically go into disk mode. |
| 09:17:32 | Logicwax | it doesnt |
| 09:17:37 | Logicwax | well, im using firewire...does that matter? |
| 09:17:49 | linuxstb_ | Yes - Rockbox doesn't detect firewire. |
| 09:17:56 | Logicwax | ah! well then |
| 09:18:04 | Logicwax | and does rockbox make use of the peizo clicker? |
| 09:18:09 | linuxstb_ | You need to go into disk mode manually - reboot your ipod, and hold SELECT+PLAY |
| 09:19:17 | Presence | logicwax, no, the piezo speaker doesn't have a driver in rockbox, so it remains silent for now. |
| 09:19:23 | Logicwax | ah, ok |
| 09:19:39 | linuxstb_ | There's a patch on the patch tracker for it though. |
| 09:19:53 | Logicwax | oh...so you can patch it to click? |
| 09:19:56 | linuxstb_ | I expect it will be committed some time after 3.0 is released. |
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| 09:21:01 | Logicwax | neat..so its already workin eh? |
| 09:22:08 | linuxstb_ | I've never tried it. The click was the first thing I disabled when I used the Apple firmware. |
| 09:22:09 | Presence | I can't wait for the "feature flood" after the freeze is lifted. |
| 09:22:25 | Presence | Mmmmm, needless features make ipod glow with bloat. |
| 09:22:46 | Logicwax | what about booting apple firmware? whats the button shortcut for that |
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| 09:23:21 | Presence | logicwax: right immediatly after powering the ipod on, during the apple logo, hold down "menu" until the Retail OS loads. |
| 09:23:28 | linuxstb_ | MENU. But it's troublesome to presss - you need to press it very early as Rockbox is booting - just before the Apple logo appears and keep it held. |
| 09:24:29 | Logicwax | ah got it |
| 09:24:38 | Logicwax | thanks for puttin up with my n00bness |
| 09:26:32 | Logicwax | hrmm...skips like hell |
| 09:26:46 | Presence | what does? |
| 09:27:08 | Logicwax | music...if im showing the themed screen |
| 09:27:14 | Logicwax | if i goto a text menu, its fine |
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| 09:27:40 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: That's the fault of the "peakmeter" in the default While Playing Screen (WPS). Try choosing a different WPS. |
| 09:28:21 | linuxstb_ | "boxes" should work - select it from Browse Themes in the main menu. |
| 09:28:37 | Logicwax | so...is there seeking in rockbox? |
| 09:28:46 | Presence | I don't wanna be "like that", but as much as I dig the "Ajant Orange" theme, the animated dude graphic actually reduces battery life. |
| 09:28:56 | Logicwax | like in apple's....u hit the button...then you can seek |
| 09:28:56 | Presence | I endeed up removing it from the .wps. |
| 09:30:03 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: Just hold down the NEXT or PREV button to seek. |
| 09:30:32 | Logicwax | yeah...i mean the kinda seak where you use the wheel though |
| 09:30:35 | EbErT | i've found a lot of .wps files that skip or make load times long |
| 09:30:38 | Logicwax | that at all possible? |
| 09:30:51 | EbErT | when is 2.0 coming out? |
| 09:31:20 | EbErT | seek through one song, or the list of songs |
| 09:31:40 | Presence | the retail Apple OS uses the wheel to seek in a song and not volume?? |
| 09:31:44 | linuxstb_ | EbErT: 2.0 came out a couple of years ago... 3.0 is due by the 29th. |
| 09:31:45 | EbErT | don't press middle button like in retail |
| 09:31:52 | Presence | I so have no idea how Retail OS works.. :^/ |
| 09:31:54 | EbErT | that's what i mean, thx |
| 09:32:30 | EbErT | u press middle button, then rotate on wheel like you are turning the volume |
| 09:32:45 | Presence | ooOOOOooooh, wow, trippy. |
| 09:32:49 | Logicwax | yeah....i wanna seek like on the apple one...where you can use the wheel to spin to the end of a song |
| 09:33:08 | EbErT | kinda annoying, cuz it goes back to volume control after what seems like too short a period |
| 09:33:25 | EbErT | and you can blast yourself |
| 09:33:40 | Presence | haha |
| 09:34:36 | EbErT | wish i could be so reliant on rockbox os as u guys are |
| 09:34:46 | EbErT | but its not stable enough for me for some reason |
| 09:35:47 | linuxstb_ | EbErT: No-one is claiming it's perfectly stable... It's still a newborn baby in Rockbox terms. |
| 09:35:59 | EbErT | yes, i konw |
| 09:36:19 | Presence | I'm sure the 4thGen issues will be ironed out after the 3.0 freeze and people start poking around more. |
| 09:36:29 | EbErT | someone have the id3 cache tell you what files it has trouble with, or skip them |
| 09:37:03 | EbErT | so all 4g's are having the most problems? |
| 09:37:10 | Logicwax | ohhh..i can browse nfo files |
| 09:37:12 | Logicwax | neat! |
| 09:37:20 | linuxstb_ | EbRrT: I added a feature request to the tagcache page to do just that this morning - log the progress so you can see the troublesome files. |
| 09:37:46 | EbErT | how do i do that? |
| 09:38:15 | EbErT | it sometimes gives me a data abort code |
| 09:38:52 | linuxstb_ | You can't - I just requested it.... |
| 09:39:05 | EbErT | oh, i get it |
| 09:39:30 | Presence | heh |
| 09:39:32 | EbErT | thought u were telling me to do something. good that you added that request, many thx |
| 09:40:07 | Logicwax | damn...even on default this shit is skipppppy |
| 09:40:36 | EbErT | at least i didn't have that problem heh |
| 09:40:43 | Presence | what kind of file are you playing? |
| 09:40:52 | Logicwax | mp3 |
| 09:40:54 | EbErT | you mess with the equalizers? |
| 09:40:56 | Logicwax | lame 3.90 -APS |
| 09:40:57 | Logicwax | nope |
| 09:41:12 | Logicwax | its skipping when it tries gapless to next track |
| 09:42:09 | Presence | for shits, and I really shouldn't be offering this since I don't know the consequences: |
| 09:42:23 | Presence | go into the debug menu and up the cpu boosting. |
| 09:42:30 | Presence | like make it "1" so its always boosted |
| 09:42:39 | Presence | then see if it yer skipping still. |
| 09:42:50 | EbErT | that's kinda like working around the problem |
| 09:42:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:43:02 | Presence | well, yeah... |
| 09:43:05 | Presence | and it kills batteries. |
| 09:43:16 | Presence | but damn if it ain't a neat thing to tickle. |
| 09:43:45 | Logicwax | what menu that in again? |
| 09:43:57 | Presence | aw, I gotta find out.. one sec. |
| 09:44:04 | Logicwax | ii saw it before.. |
| 09:44:05 | Logicwax | hrmm |
| 09:44:28 | Presence | damn, don't have VNC up on my cygwin ui-simulator box. |
| 09:44:43 | Presence | yer gonna make me get up now. :^/ |
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| 09:44:48 | EbErT | linuxstb_ - i tried making playlists with all the files on the ipod, as it was going through them, it told me which files' id3 tags it couldn't handle. deleted those, and the id3 force cache went farther threw, but still hung |
| 09:44:56 | EbErT | that's the best i can think to do. |
| 09:45:15 | Logicwax | ah found ti |
| 09:45:16 | Logicwax | *it |
| 09:45:47 | EbErT | don't do that, he's crazy man :D |
| 09:46:14 | Logicwax | so lower number is faster cpu? |
| 09:46:24 | Logicwax | mine was at 2 by default |
| 09:46:29 | Logicwax | which is 72,000,000 |
| 09:48:08 | Presence | beats me.. I was guessing that "0" was non-boosted, "1" was auto-mode, "2" was always-boosted |
| 09:48:40 | Logicwax | ah |
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| 09:48:56 | linuxstb_ | No - it's a boost counter. |
| 09:49:26 | linuxstb_ | i.e. different parts of Rockbox increment and decrement the counter depending on whether they want to boost the CPU. Whenever the count is at 1 or more, Rockbox boosts the CPU. |
| 09:49:48 | Presence | aaaah |
| 09:49:50 | Logicwax | not even the boxes theme works w/o skipping....damn |
| 09:49:53 | linuxstb_ | So if you manually increment the boost counter, it will always be at 1 or more. |
| 09:49:54 | Logicwax | cus i like that one |
| 09:50:17 | Presence | so its more of a view-only area, altering the value doesn't change the boost? |
| 09:51:00 | Presence | oh, nevermind, I get it. |
| 09:51:00 | Presence | okay |
| 09:51:23 | Logicwax | damn, this plays flac? fuck i thought that was the part of rockbox that still skipped |
| 09:51:25 | Logicwax | holy shit |
| 09:51:31 | Logicwax | do OGG's play good now too? |
| 09:51:31 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: It _will_ work, but at the moment, hardly any effort has gone into optimisation on the ipod. Currently everything is working too slowly. |
| 09:51:53 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: At the moment, vorbis decodes more efficiently than MP3 on the ipods. |
| 09:52:05 | linuxstb_ | So you'll experience less (or no) skips. |
| 09:52:12 | Logicwax | yea? so OGG is working 100% now? |
| 09:52:27 | linuxstb_ | It always has... |
| 09:52:53 | Logicwax | i thought OGG and FLAC weren't working 100% cus it required too much cpu |
| 09:53:03 | linuxstb_ | I use FLAC, which is one of Rockbox's fastest decoders. |
| 09:53:15 | linuxstb_ | I have no problems even with the peakmeter enabled when playing FLAC. |
| 09:53:30 | Logicwax | yea? man! im listening to TOOL in FLAC on my ipod....fuck yeah |
| 09:53:52 | Logicwax | interesting how mp3 is the slower then them |
| 09:54:44 | linuxstb_ | Mathematically, FLAC is a lot simpler than MP3 and vorbis. So that's not a surprise. MP3 should be faster than vorbis, but on the ipods the vorbis decoder has more optimisation. |
| 09:56:59 | Logicwax | can rockbox do apples AAC? |
| 09:57:55 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but that's even slower than MP3. My only AAC file (128kbps) works, but I think it struggles with higher bitrates. |
| 09:59:12 | Logicwax | im just so happy FLAC and OGG work 100% |
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| 10:00:13 | linuxstb_ | BTW, who told you that FLAC and Ogg needed too much CPU? |
| 10:00:29 | Logicwax | last i read on the ipodlinux project some months ago |
| 10:00:37 | Logicwax | but ive been so busy with school i havent looked in a bit |
| 10:00:51 | Logicwax | and rockbox _is_ linux-based, right? |
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| 10:01:46 | linuxstb_ | No. |
| 10:02:35 | linuxstb_ | Rockbox was written from scratch. The ipod port uses some very low-level driver code from the ipodlinux project, but that's all. |
| 10:03:48 | Logicwax | ah |
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| 10:05:27 | jchillerup | Have rockbox implemented fairkeys/hymn so it can decrypt apple-aac on the fly |
| 10:05:31 | jchillerup | Has* |
| 10:06:18 | linuxstb_ | No, and I doubt it ever will. I don't think any Rockbox developer wants to help promote the use of DRM. |
| 10:06:57 | amiconn | morning all |
| 10:07:06 | * | ashridah gets out his quantum-computer attachment for his iriver |
| 10:07:07 | linuxstb_ | Good morning. |
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| 10:07:11 | * | amiconn just started a runtime test on mini g2 |
| 10:07:14 | {EDF}SS | hi again |
| 10:07:29 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Didn't you try to run the flac decoder on archos? |
| 10:07:40 | {EDF}SS | Has anyone made nethack for rockbox? :P |
| 10:07:51 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes. |
| 10:07:52 | ashridah | {EDF}SS: no, surprisingly. |
| 10:08:03 | linuxstb_ | I should still have a patch somewhere... |
| 10:08:11 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: well getting drm working wouldnt really be promoting drm.. more freeing the poor sods that pay for it |
| 10:08:14 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Do you remember what speed you got? |
| 10:08:18 | {EDF}SS | ashridah it'd be nice to have, but probably difficult to play :) |
| 10:08:18 | ashridah | {EDF}SS: doing things would be a pain tho, with the limited number of keys. |
| 10:08:23 | amiconn | This was with the C version, correct? |
| 10:08:43 | jchillerup | linuxstb_, It's definitely not promoting DRM |
| 10:08:44 | linuxstb_ | I can't remember, but it should be in the logs. |
| 10:08:51 | jchillerup | It's removing it so that it can be played |
| 10:09:00 | ashridah | {EDF}SS: well, it's turn based, so perhaps not. |
| 10:09:08 | linuxstb_ | jchillerup: Just use hymn on your PC to remove it... |
| 10:09:12 | ashridah | just need an efficient menu for the different keys |
| 10:09:22 | jchillerup | Well, yeah, but it could be nice on the ipod |
| 10:09:31 | Zendefera | linuxstd you know anything aout the voice features of rockbox? |
| 10:09:33 | {EDF}SS | heh well I'll leave that up to the ingenious folks that invented Rockbox :) |
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| 10:10:14 | linuxstb_ | jchillerup: Then feel free to implement it. But I'm pretty sure I speak for all the devs when I say that DRM is not wanted in Rockbox. |
| 10:10:22 | jchillerup | OK. |
| 10:10:28 | {EDF}SS | haha DRM who would want that? |
| 10:10:45 | jchillerup | I would want a tool that strips the DRM of AAC files.... |
| 10:10:48 | Zendefera | what I am wondering, how dificult would it be able to add a speack option to directories and files, so it actually reads the dirs and files, so instead of spell="j a c k s m i t h - ..." it'll say jack smith dash |
| 10:11:02 | {EDF}SS | on yeah, to REMOVE DRM would be nice |
| 10:11:06 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I made the patch on 24th March, so that will be the day to search the logs. |
| 10:11:11 | jchillerup | That's what I mean, {EDF}SS |
| 10:11:23 | Zendefera | likeit reads the menus |
| 10:11:40 | JdGordon | are the players even fast enough to rip the drm and play it otf? |
| 10:11:50 | linuxstb_ | jchillerup: Removing DRM is something you should do on your PC as soon as you buy a track. |
| 10:11:53 | jchillerup | I don't know.. But I know there is no FPU |
| 10:12:03 | Zendefera | drm blows :) |
| 10:12:07 | jchillerup | linuxstb_, Well, yes |
| 10:12:44 | amiconn | Hmm, 2 frames per second... :( |
| 10:12:48 | jchillerup | but when people convert from itunes-controlled ipods to rockbox-freed ipods, they probably won't understand why none of their songs will play |
| 10:13:01 | jchillerup | And that is because of DRM |
| 10:13:12 | Galois | IMO people need to be made aware of the DRM issue rather than hiding it from them |
| 10:13:14 | jchillerup | It could start by stripping the DRM, and *then* play the track |
| 10:13:37 | jchillerup | Galois, you could make it so that it says "Stripping DRM, please wait." |
| 10:13:39 | Zendefera | galois :) long time no see my friend. |
| 10:13:43 | markun | jchillerup: or displaying a message that it cannot playback a file with DRM |
| 10:13:55 | jchillerup | Yes, and what would the newbies say? |
| 10:13:59 | Zendefera | so any familier with the voice code? |
| 10:13:59 | JdGordon | although adding riping to rockbox would lead it to some pretty merky waters |
| 10:14:03 | jchillerup | They'll say that Rockbox sucks |
| 10:14:07 | markun | so? |
| 10:14:10 | jchillerup | ... when it's in fact themselves.. |
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| 10:15:02 | Galois | in that case we can display an informative message telling them why Apple is responsible for the suckage and not Rockbox |
| 10:15:11 | JdGordon | haha |
| 10:15:14 | jchillerup | Hehe |
| 10:15:17 | Galois | but right now it's not an issue, most rockbox users are smart enough to know what DRM means |
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| 10:15:24 | jchillerup | Okay |
| 10:15:34 | JdGordon | Galois: i beg to differ |
| 10:15:47 | Galois | fairplay/hymn is not a long term solution. Apple's drm will get better. |
| 10:15:54 | jchillerup | Yes. |
| 10:15:58 | jchillerup | But so will fairplay/hymn |
| 10:16:00 | Galois | why do you think they switched to intel chips? performance is a smoke screen |
| 10:16:01 | JdGordon | some of the ppl coming in here asking for ipod help arnt the sharpest of tacks... |
| 10:16:10 | Galois | TPM is going to be a reality very soon |
| 10:16:10 | amiconn | 15..25% realtime |
| 10:16:30 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Shorten is even faster than FLAC, but I don't think I got as far as testing it. |
| 10:16:52 | amiconn | Shorten also uses lcd_decode, correct? |
| 10:17:02 | amiconn | Bah, lpc_decode of course |
| 10:17:07 | markun | :) |
| 10:17:12 | linuxstb_ | I can't remember... |
| 10:17:26 | linuxstb_ | I don't think it uses exactly the same function as flac though. |
| 10:17:32 | Zendefera | linuxstd, how did the voice code? |
| 10:17:38 | Zendefera | errm |
| 10:17:46 | Zendefera | who did the voice code I meant |
| 10:17:52 | linuxstb_ | Not me. |
| 10:18:11 | Zendefera | is there away to find out who did it? |
| 10:18:13 | linuxstb_ | But various people have contributed I think. |
| 10:18:29 | linuxstb_ | CVS logs. |
| 10:18:34 | Zendefera | ok, thanks. |
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| 10:21:50 | JdGordon | ashridah: i got 3 tix to the soccer tonight free.. wanna come? |
| 10:22:12 | JdGordon | http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdgordy/BLK12_R1.JPG |
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| 10:22:23 | ashridah | JdGordon: nah. not a soccer fan |
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| 10:22:34 | JdGordon | look @ the pic |
| 10:22:36 | ashridah | besides, major assignment due RSN :( |
| 10:22:38 | Logicwax | sorry got disconneted |
| 10:22:45 | Logicwax | so...is it possible to have it sleep? |
| 10:22:51 | Logicwax | or does rockbox always have to reboot |
| 10:23:06 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 10:23:17 | JdGordon | my friend sent that threough msn |
| 10:23:21 | * | JdGordon thought it was funny |
| 10:23:38 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Do I remember correctly that flac was content at 22MHz on iriver? |
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| 10:23:40 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Would implementing FLAC in the MAS be at all possible? Is there any documentation available at all? |
| 10:24:05 | amiconn | There's some leaked documentation about the dsp core |
| 10:24:07 | ashridah | heh |
| 10:24:17 | amiconn | What's unknown is how to use the interfaces |
| 10:24:40 | linuxstb_ | I'm not 100% sure about 22MHz. It definitely worked lower than the default, but I can't remember how low. |
| 10:24:40 | Logicwax | cus everytime i hold down play...it actuallly shuts completely off...and when i turn it back on, its like booting |
| 10:24:43 | Logicwax | so thats why i asked |
| 10:24:57 | amiconn | Also, mas dsp assembler is rather nightmarish |
| 10:25:13 | linuxstb_ | Are the opcodes part of that leaked documentation? |
| 10:25:21 | amiconn | (1) it's a harvard architecture, with 1x code and 2x data memory |
| 10:25:52 | amiconn | (2) You have to keep an eye on the number of cycles an instruction takes, and sync the pipeline yourself |
| 10:26:24 | amiconn | If you read a register too early, the result of the previous instruction might not yet be there... |
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| 10:27:10 | dj-fu | HIGHFIVE ROCKBOX |
| 10:27:22 | dj-fu | who do I have to kill around here to get the freezing period stopped |
| 10:27:27 | dj-fu | I want some new features gaw damnit! |
| 10:27:29 | Presence | father time. |
| 10:28:07 | linuxstb_ | Logicwax: No, there is no sleep mode in Rockbox. It may happen, but we prefer to do things to make boot time as quick as possible. If you remove the Apple firmware from your ipod, you'll significantly increase boot-up time. |
| 10:28:30 | Presence | whoa, I didn't know the apple firmware could be completely removed. |
| 10:28:34 | Presence | thats hot. |
| 10:28:45 | dj-fu | mm, you just build the firmware image without splicing the apple one into it |
| 10:28:45 | dj-fu | afaik |
| 10:28:58 | dj-fu | still good to keep a backup lying around so you can dd it back in case of mass failure |
| 10:29:06 | linuxstb_ | Almost - you create a tiny (512 byte) dummy file and use that instead of apple_os.bin |
| 10:29:38 | Presence | wow. |
| 10:29:58 | dj-fu | sex, no? |
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| 10:30:19 | amiconn | linuxstb_: pm.. |
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| 10:42:12 | Jungti1234 | yahoo |
| 10:42:16 | Jungti1234 | hello all |
| 10:43:10 | {EDF}SS | hi |
| 10:43:45 | Jungti1234 | TORX T6 fits to E10. |
| 10:44:27 | Jungti1234 | wow... very small :) |
| 10:45:14 | Zendefera | when playing on the ipod video, what do I hit to stop playing a song? |
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| 10:46:13 | {EDF}SS | hold play/pause |
| 10:46:31 | Zendefera | the switch? |
| 10:46:50 | {EDF}SS | play/pause is a switch? |
| 10:47:01 | Zendefera | ok. |
| 10:47:12 | Zendefera | and where on the touch wheel is stop? |
| 10:47:24 | {EDF}SS | [04:51] <{EDF}SS> hold play/pause |
| 10:47:50 | Zendefera | I'm sorry |
| 10:48:05 | {EDF}SS | np |
| 10:48:07 | Zendefera | I'm blind, where is that, is that the top or bottum of the wheel? |
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| 10:48:26 | {edf}ss | isn't the bottom of the wheel a play/pause button? |
| 10:48:47 | Zendefera | ok. I wwasn't sure. |
| 10:48:48 | Zendefera | thanks |
| 10:48:57 | {edf}ss | wtf.... |
| 10:49:04 | {edf}ss | gnite all |
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| 11:09:29 | Jungti1234 | afffff |
| 11:09:45 | Jungti1234 | anyone have U10? |
| 11:10:59 | markun | Jungti1234: perhaps you can ask in iriverfans.com |
| 11:11:47 | Jungti1234 | Can there get answer fast? |
| 11:11:54 | markun | Don't know |
| 11:12:06 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:12:18 | markun | But they opened up a U10: http://www.iriverfans.com/Article_Show.asp?ArticleID=404 |
| 11:12:25 | Jungti1234 | Chinese isn't here? |
| 11:12:55 | markun | Ask him: http://www.iriverfans.com/UserInfo.asp?UserID=1 |
| 11:13:13 | markun | You can try to mail or MSN him |
| 11:13:51 | Jungti1234 | damn |
| 11:14:05 | Jungti1234 | My internet status is bad now. |
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| 12:06:05 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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| 12:13:07 | Jungti1234 | wait.. |
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| 12:26:32 | Jungti1234 | ahhh....... |
| 12:29:09 | petur | jungti1234? |
| 12:29:32 | markun | petur: he's trying to open his iriver E10 |
| 12:29:38 | petur | heh |
| 12:32:03 | Jungti1234 | help.......... :'( |
| 12:35:59 | * | petur hands Jungti1234 his box of torx screwdrivers |
| 12:36:13 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 12:36:21 | Jungti1234 | I have driver. |
| 12:36:25 | petur | good |
| 12:36:41 | Jungti1234 | I drew out all screws. |
| 12:36:50 | Jungti1234 | But, it doesn't open. |
| 12:37:04 | petur | some clips? |
| 12:37:09 | Jungti1234 | I tried to open it using telephone card. |
| 12:37:25 | Jungti1234 | it broke! hahaha |
| 12:37:31 | petur | be carefull ;) |
| 12:37:41 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 12:42:35 | markun | petur: are planning to work on a usb stack soon? |
| 12:42:48 | petur | not soon no |
| 12:43:04 | petur | first need to access the chip |
| 12:43:42 | petur | I hope LinusN gets the time to figure out all the connections on the h3x0, we still miss a lot of them |
| 12:44:27 | petur | I'm writing an eeprom driver now in order to fix the retailos config corruption |
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| 12:48:39 | romanpress | hi, i have a question concerning colors on rockbox. |
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| 12:49:41 | dj-fu | o rly? |
| 12:50:05 | romanpress | it seems i have changed the foreground and background color to black... now the ipod is just black... how can i change this colors on my computer? |
| 12:50:54 | petur | reset your settings by putting hold on while rockbox starts |
| 12:51:34 | romanpress | is hold the middlebutton on the ipod? (sorry stupid question) |
| 12:51:51 | petur | wouldn't know, don't have an ipoo |
| 12:51:58 | petur | :P |
| 12:52:22 | amiconn | petur: I suggest to wait for Linus finding out more about the hardware. If the eeprom really isn't i2c controlled, (1) there's at least one missing signal line and (2) I doubt that the signal lines are really hooked up in parallel to the pcf50606 i2c |
| 12:52:47 | petur | amiconn: I'm sure the wiki is wrong |
| 12:53:51 | dj-fu | romanpress, toggle the 'hold' switch it's at the top, |
| 12:53:52 | petur | there's no indication that it's an spi device, so I'm working from the fact it's an 24c02 (i2c) |
| 12:53:54 | Jungti1234 | ahhhh damn!! |
| 12:54:44 | petur | amiconn: I can use the pcf50606 functions to access it if it is on the same bus, so test code should be easy |
| 12:55:16 | amiconn | petur: Hah, IriverH3XXHardwareComponents even says it's a 24C02, only the datasheets page lists a 25C02 ... |
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| 12:55:40 | petur | I already changed the components page |
| 12:56:33 | petur | I had a good look at the pcb pictures but it's hard to figure out what it really is |
| 12:56:58 | petur | I think it either says ISSI or LSSI 402 or A02 |
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| 13:02:15 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. http://cafefiles.naver.net/data15/2006/5/18/173/DSCN2751.jpg |
| 13:02:36 | romanpress | i slided back to the original firmware on my ipodnano. when i shut down by pressing play 5sec, it starts on the restart back there, but i want to start with rockboc. how? |
| 13:02:41 | Jungti1234 | I drew out all that 4 screws. |
| 13:06:42 | Jungti1234 | I gave up... |
| 13:07:01 | Jungti1234 | I will try it again on weekend. |
| 13:07:47 | romanpress | i'm back on rockbox... |
| 13:09:02 | amiconn | petur: The small images clearly show "C02-3Z" in the 2nd row. The 3 means 2.5..5.5V, the Z just stands for TSSOP |
| 13:09:08 | romanpress | it works by toggle hold... the colors are back... thanks |
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| 13:09:53 | petur | amiconn: but I looked at the 2 big images from lostlogic at the top |
| 13:10:00 | markun | perhaps we shouldn't allow the text and background colours to be the same.. |
| 13:10:26 | petur | markun: been discussed before, somebody should just do it... |
| 13:10:33 | amiconn | What's irritating is that the 24Cxx datasheet always have an A affixed to the code, while the 25Cxx datasheet hasn't |
| 13:10:42 | amiconn | markun: We don't... |
| 13:11:18 | petur | amiconn: on lostlogic's pics it is either A02 or 402 |
| 13:11:40 | petur | I think it's 402 (they ommitted the C ?) |
| 13:12:50 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like 402... |
| 13:13:09 | * | amiconn wonders why the small pics then show C02... |
| 13:13:34 | amiconn | Maybe there are several hardware revisions with different eeproms? |
| 13:13:48 | petur | they can change chips during production if functionality is identical |
| 13:13:49 | * | amiconn hopes that this isn't the case |
| 13:15:41 | amiconn | I mean that there might be pcb versions with the 24c02 and others with the 25c02... |
| 13:17:12 | petur | I can't beleive they'd do that |
| 13:17:21 | amiconn | Why? |
| 13:18:07 | amiconn | The archos player exists in 3 different hardware revisions. The latest even has a different lcd with different charset |
| 13:18:10 | petur | switching between spi and i2c? have a way to detect hw revision in firmware... |
| 13:18:24 | petur | too much trouble, no gain |
| 13:18:33 | amiconn | The recorder has several details differing between versions |
| 13:19:05 | amiconn | Maybe an old chip becomes unavailable? |
| 13:19:19 | petur | 24c02 is *very* common |
| 13:19:19 | amiconn | That's what archos did in the Ondio - btw a rather weird thing |
| 13:19:49 | petur | issi is not the only offering this, and afaik they're all pin-compatible |
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| 13:20:19 | amiconn | They designed an el backlight circuit around the Sipex SP4403. Even though they left out the actual components from the retail version, they maintained the feature on the board |
| 13:20:20 | petur | I already used that chip 10 years ago |
| 13:20:54 | amiconn | When Sipex withdrew from the el driver market, they redesigned the circuit for the NPC SM8141BV |
| 13:22:25 | petur | I can believe that case, but for the 24c02 I see no reason. And if the rest is i2c, why start using spi? |
| 13:22:42 | petur | unless they started with spi of course |
| 13:22:55 | petur | that would have been a design mistake |
| 13:23:22 | amiconn | Not the first one, and not the only one to be seen in our targets... |
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| 13:32:41 | JdGordon | aussie aussie aussie!!! |
| 13:32:53 | JdGordon | OY OY OY!! |
| 13:32:58 | JdGordon | aussie aussie aussie!!! |
| 13:35:01 | * | dj-fu ponders |
| 13:35:08 | dj-fu | do you have the right channel, JdGordon ? |
| 13:35:24 | JdGordon | bah.. |
| 13:35:34 | JdGordon | aus beat greece 1-0 :D |
| 13:35:41 | dj-fu | oh, sweet. |
| 13:35:42 | dj-fu | grats aus. |
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| 13:38:00 | petur | JdGordon: beat them in what? making noise? That's obvious :p |
| 13:38:13 | JdGordon | soccer |
| 13:38:28 | petur | so what? |
| 13:38:32 | JdGordon | excatly.. |
| 13:38:36 | JdGordon | we dont play soccer here |
| 13:38:48 | JdGordon | but its the last game before the world cup.. |
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| 13:44:00 | markun | Wouldn't it make more sense to check for CONFIG_CPU == SH7034 in firmware/driver/serial.c? |
| 13:47:43 | petur | bah, another nmi.... bbl |
| 13:48:54 | JdGordon | cheers |
| 13:48:59 | JdGordon | wrong window :p |
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| 13:54:12 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: I'm not surprised that you beaten us... |
| 13:56:44 | ashridah | we did? whoa |
| 13:56:50 | ashridah | i'm surprised that we did :) |
| 13:57:04 | ashridah | how was the game? |
| 13:57:10 | JdGordon | not a bad crowd.. 95000.. record for aussie soccer.. |
| 13:57:13 | JdGordon | meh, boring :D |
| 13:57:49 | Genre9mp3 | hehe....Too many greeks line in the Aus... ;) |
| 13:57:54 | Genre9mp3 | line = live |
| 13:58:16 | JdGordon | they said melbourne has the largest greek community outside of greece.. or something liek that! |
| 13:58:31 | Genre9mp3 | yes...it's true... |
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| 14:08:53 | O11 | Hi! |
| 14:09:04 | | Nick O11 is now known as Super (n=52236176@labb.contactor.se) |
| 14:10:21 | Super | I was wondering if anyone could tell me about rockbox builds for the h300 |
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| 14:10:52 | Super | I have 1.29k firmware but I'm not sure how you check what version of rockbox you have.. |
| 14:12:10 | Super | Could anyone tell me? |
| 14:12:20 | JdGordon | goto menu > info > version |
| 14:12:56 | Super | So it's that really long number that you don't even get a chance to read because it goes on to the credits after a second or two? |
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| 14:13:42 | Super | I just want to find out if there is a newer version of rockbox that I could install for my player and what is updated on it.. |
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| 14:15:17 | Super | How would I find out? |
| 14:16:29 | Super | Anybody know? |
| 14:16:40 | JdGordon | there is an updated version almost every day... |
| 14:16:50 | JdGordon | so unless u updated it yesterday there is a newer version |
| 14:17:28 | Super | how would I know what's been added since my version? |
| 14:17:36 | Super | I want to be able to appreciate it =P |
| 14:17:39 | JdGordon | rockbox.org has a changelog |
| 14:18:56 | markun | JdGordon: which one are you talking about? |
| 14:19:06 | JdGordon | ? |
| 14:19:25 | JdGordon | im talking about the cvs changelog.. |
| 14:19:41 | markun | This one? http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 14:19:46 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:20:04 | JdGordon | Recent CVS activity |
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| 14:20:15 | Super | doesn't really tell you much though does it? |
| 14:20:24 | Super | it only goes back less than a week |
| 14:20:36 | JdGordon | then look at the link markun pasted |
| 14:22:26 | Super | doesn't work |
| 14:23:57 | amiconn | If you go to the daily builds page, then click on "Source Archive" -> "old", you'll find a table with the last 30 days worth of source. One table column links to the changelog of each day |
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| 14:25:04 | zblach | hi |
| 14:25:29 | zblach | browsed the FAQ, but there's a bit of info I haven't been able to find. |
| 14:26:06 | zblach | if I were to install rockbox on an iPod video, what video formats would be supported? |
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| 14:29:32 | Super | Is there a newer version of the korean firmware? |
| 14:29:42 | Super | I can't seem to find the h300 firmware thread.. |
| 14:29:55 | theli_ua | zblach, none |
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| 14:30:44 | JdGordon | Super: u want the iriver firwmare changes or rockbox changes? |
| 14:31:01 | markun | zblach: you would have to boot back into the original firmware to playback your videos |
| 14:35:01 | Super | i want the rockbox changes |
| 14:35:11 | Super | but I think i've found them now.. |
| 14:35:40 | Super | i was just also curious if there was a new version of the official korean iriver firmwear.. just though might as well have it.. |
| 14:36:06 | petur | 1.29 is the last one |
| 14:36:14 | JdGordon | isnt there a 1.30? |
| 14:36:29 | petur | there's an 1.30eu but that one removes video playback |
| 14:36:48 | Genre9mp3 | the last Korean version is 1.29 |
| 14:38:45 | Super | oh, ok |
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| 14:39:27 | Super | any particular updates to the rockbox since about half a year ago? =P |
| 14:39:28 | zblach | markun: seriously"? |
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| 14:39:46 | zblach | that's a bit of a minus |
| 14:40:03 | preglow | video isn't a priority for us |
| 14:40:21 | markun | zblach: if it's too much of a problem maybe rockbox isn't for you |
| 14:40:32 | preglow | especially not considering the massive amount of work required to make it work |
| 14:41:12 | * | amiconn just discovered another bug in talk.c while testing his updated show_info() :-( |
| 14:41:13 | Super | to update my rockbox do i just have to extract the daily build to my root? |
| 14:41:41 | zblach | markun: it's great for my ipod mini, don't get me wrong. i was just curious about video |
| 14:42:00 | zblach | no video support for a video product seems a little weird. that's all |
| 14:42:38 | amiconn | The ipod video isn't a video product imho |
| 14:42:48 | amiconn | It's a dap with additional video capability |
| 14:42:58 | zblach | dap? |
| 14:42:59 | markun | zblach: noone has figured out how to use the chip that decodes the video |
| 14:43:08 | preglow | zblach: digital audio player |
| 14:43:42 | zblach | interesting. didn't know that. |
| 14:43:54 | zblach | that makes watching mkv a bit out of the question then. |
| 14:43:59 | preglow | haha |
| 14:44:11 | preglow | the apple os doesn't support mkv either, no? |
| 14:44:16 | preglow | would surprise me greatly |
| 14:44:32 | tom__ | Anyone got the DOOM plugin working? |
| 14:44:39 | preglow | lots of people have |
| 14:44:46 | tom__ | where do you put the base.wad |
| 14:44:53 | preglow | /games/doom, afaik |
| 14:44:56 | preglow | it's all in the wiki page |
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| 14:47:33 | JdGordon | is the freeze ending monday? |
| 14:48:02 | XavierGr | probably |
| 14:48:08 | JdGordon | woohoo :D |
| 14:48:22 | markun | JdGordon: depends on how much everyone has worked on rockbox before monday I guess |
| 14:48:59 | JdGordon | is there anything not audio/remote related that needs fixing that is relativly simple but boring that i can do? |
| 14:49:09 | * | JdGordon finished all my assignments for the semster :D |
| 14:49:15 | XavierGr | markun: they said they will release no matter what or...? |
| 14:50:14 | XavierGr | Also the lang files must be updated. |
| 14:50:38 | XavierGr | I will sit today and update the greel.lang |
| 14:51:09 | XavierGr | a mail on the ml & dev-ml lists should be assembled to let the translators know. |
| 14:51:27 | pixelma | btw, XavierGr: have you fixed the minesweeper plugin for Ondio? |
| 14:51:30 | XavierGr | yes |
| 14:51:49 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5422 |
| 14:52:02 | pixelma | when will it be commited, or did I miss something? |
| 14:52:22 | pixelma | oh, thx - I will test it |
| 14:52:26 | XavierGr | well until a dev has free time and feels like it... |
| 14:52:36 | * | XavierGr fingers markun! :D |
| 14:53:07 | XavierGr | pixelma: it was one liner BTW |
| 14:53:08 | markun | :) |
| 14:53:19 | amiconn | pixelma: You need to compile yourself to test the patch... |
| 14:53:41 | pixelma | that's something i cannot do yet |
| 14:53:48 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5305 <- is it FLAC that u cant seek through it without actually readin the whole track up the the point u want? |
| 14:53:56 | daurn|laptop | yo |
| 14:53:59 | daurn|laptop | sup all |
| 14:56:00 | tom__ | ok, DOOM on my iRiver owns, thanks whoever came up with that :p |
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| 14:58:22 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 14:58:26 | daurn|laptop | doom is on everything |
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| 15:01:17 | tom__ | what about this 'rockboy' |
| 15:01:29 | tom__ | is that just an emulator? |
| 15:01:38 | JdGordon | yup |
| 15:01:44 | JdGordon | u need to find the roms |
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| 15:01:51 | daurn|laptop | isn't it a pokemon or something? |
| 15:01:52 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 15:02:29 | Mikachu | oh, not talking about me |
| 15:04:14 | tom__ | so what do you do, just execute the ROM file? |
| 15:04:48 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 15:04:54 | daurn|laptop | Mikachu |
| 15:04:55 | daurn|laptop | XD |
| 15:06:09 | daurn|laptop | anyway |
| 15:06:18 | daurn|laptop | any1 here got an archos gmini 40* |
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| 15:09:52 | daurn|laptop | is there anotehr rockbox channel anywhere? |
| 15:10:10 | tom__ | this rockboy run slow for anyone else? |
| 15:10:38 | ashridah | it's not running at 100% realtime, no. |
| 15:10:49 | tom__ | ah |
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| 15:11:00 | ashridah | work on it stopped a while back |
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| 15:11:48 | tom__ | :( was a cool idea too |
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| 15:20:16 | webguest94 | la |
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| 15:25:46 | * | petur wonders what's wrong with http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
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| 15:32:51 | JdGordon | petur: they've been complaining about problems with viewcvs or something.. prob related |
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| 15:49:52 | amiconn | Gah, red sims |
| 15:50:09 | JdGordon | bloody roadrunner records... one of thier sampler cds is in wma.. all the others are mp3.. stupid ppl |
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| 15:54:55 | amiconn | markun: The patch you committed contains C99 style declarations... |
| 15:55:07 | amiconn | (and the button wait is unnecessarily complex) |
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| 16:05:55 | markun | amiconn: when is a declaration C99 style? |
| 16:08:09 | amiconn | C99 allows mixing declarations and code. Earlier standards do not. |
| 16:09:19 | amiconn | Hmm, the contributing document doesn't state that we want declarations before code... |
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| 16:10:46 | amiconn | It's one of those conventions just floating around... |
| 16:13:37 | lostlogic | mmm, earth quake in stockholm, swedes have fun? |
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| 16:15:42 | pixelma | just read that too |
| 16:16:58 | darkless_ | well, I didn't feel it here in Copenhagen, couldn't have been that much... Then again, Stockholm is several hundred kms away |
| 16:16:59 | markun | amiconn: can you comment on this: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/minesweeper.diff |
| 16:17:19 | amiconn | Check my latest commit... |
| 16:17:53 | markun | ah, thanks :) |
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| 16:18:56 | pixelma | they say that it was right about 2 on Richter scale |
| 16:19:53 | amiconn | Almost unnoticeable then... |
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| 16:21:39 | * | petur is so clumsy he can't even access an eeprom :( |
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| 16:22:14 | petur | no time now, have to check this later... |
| 16:23:02 | Dgently | Can I pester you guys with an FMR hard drive question? |
| 16:27:10 | Dgently | I have an old FM recorder, that's had a Hitachi 80gig in it for a couple years, no problems. |
| 16:27:32 | Dgently | I just swapped it out for a Samsung 120gig, and I'm getting all kinds of ata errors. |
| 16:28:12 | Dgently | I'm assuming I need to rip it out and put a different brand in. Anyone know what brand of 120gig is good? |
| 16:28:26 | Dgently | Or if I can do anything to fix the errors? |
| 16:30:33 | Dgently | Sometimes it boots fine, sometimes it'll boot, but not show anything in the file list, sometimes it just panics with an ata -32 error. |
| 16:32:47 | tom__ | how'd you turn in the fade LCD option on? :) |
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| 16:36:25 | krypticmind | hey guys |
| 16:39:27 | amiconn | Dgently: I'd think there's either a battery contact problem (quite common on archos, there are some documents regarding the fmr on the rockbox site), |
| 16:39:58 | amiconn | or perhaps the disk is in the wrong mode. Perhaps it's set to cable select? |
| 16:41:10 | amiconn | Generally, all standard 2.5" hard drives should work in the archos. Only some Toshiba OEM drives are reported to have problems, which iirc can also be fixed by some wiring |
| 16:41:50 | amiconn | Disks >128GB (or >136GB in harddisk manufacturer terms) will only be detected & used as 128GB |
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| 16:51:41 | Dgently | That's what I was hoping. |
| 16:51:58 | Dgently | I'll rip it apart again, and check the connections. |
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| 16:55:28 | Febs | Bluebrother, where can I find the list of all of the platforms and the macros that we are using for them (e.g., IRIVER_H100_PAD, etc.)? |
| 16:55:44 | bluebrother | Febs, in the platform directory |
| 16:56:29 | Febs | Thanks. Second question: can LaTeX do indexing? I assume so, but how difficult is it to set up? It would be great to have an index in the manual. |
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| 16:56:55 | bluebrother | it's pretty easy but it needs to be done through the whole text. |
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| 16:57:11 | baaps | I kep getting this error |
| 16:57:39 | bluebrother | it's like if theres anything I want to have in the index I add a macro (\index? I need to look it up, haven't used this for long) |
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| 16:57:56 | Dgently | Thanks for the advice. |
| 16:58:17 | bluebrother | then add a \makeindex at the page where the index should be generated, but latex needs to run makeidx manually. |
| 16:58:32 | bluebrother | I already thought about adding an index myself. |
| 16:58:51 | Febs | Maybe that's something we could target for 3.1! |
| 16:58:54 | bluebrother | but I won't have time looking into it deeper until next month. |
| 16:58:59 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 16:59:48 | Febs | For \opt, should we be using IRIVER_H100_PAD or iriver1xx? Is IRIVER_H100_PAD for general use or only in the context of button configures? (Sorry if these are pretty basic questions.) |
| 16:59:50 | bluebrother | imo some of the platform specific stuff is a bit clumsy, I'd like to have a better solution for 3.1 |
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| 17:00:48 | bluebrother | Febs, I haven't introduced those so I'm not sure how this was intended. I guess it would be the best to use the PAD stuff when referring to the keyboard and h1xx when referring to the device itself. |
| 17:01:22 | bluebrother | but I'd like it better to be mostly complete independent from the device itself and only have capabilities, like HAVE_RECORDING |
| 17:02:06 | Febs | Agreed. It would be useful to have categories such as "IPOD," "IRIVER," etc. for things like the manual that are platform specific, but don't vary much from model to model on a particular platform. |
| 17:02:15 | Febs | manual/installation instructions |
| 17:04:37 | Febs | Using \opt{IPOD} would be easier than \opt{ipod4g,ipodcolor,ipodnano,ipodmini,ipodvideo}. Also easier to update it, for example, support for 3g is added. |
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| 17:06:45 | tucoz | Febs, we could add that. I have thought of it myself some time ago |
| 17:08:18 | Febs | I think that we should. Again using 3g as an example, it will be a nightmare to have to update every single \opt that references the different ipod platforms. |
| 17:08:22 | tucoz | regarding the key-macros. I think it's a pita to use them. However, they were added to mimic the way the rockbox-source works. I would want to have a simpler way of defining key-tables, but I can not think of a another way this coult be done. |
| 17:11:23 | tucoz | it's a moot-point. Now we can define the keys for several players by using their shared pad (IPOD_4G_PAD). If another player gets added with the same pad, it's only the platform.tex that needs the define |
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| 17:12:17 | tucoz | But for several of the older players, this is not the case. I don't think we'll ever add another player with a IRIVER_H100_PAD for instance. |
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| 17:22:41 | Febs | tucoz, I must admit, I am not at all familiar with how the button definitions work. But is there a way to define buttons by function, and then have LaTeX insert the appropriate button based on the platform? |
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| 17:23:17 | Febs | (without using the PAD conditional, I mean) |
| 17:23:24 | tucoz | Febs, sure. |
| 17:23:40 | tucoz | but then the outcome would be unpredictable |
| 17:23:58 | Febs | I'm not sure that I follow. |
| 17:24:06 | tucoz | have a look in the platform files to see how the keys are defined |
| 17:24:31 | * | Febs goes looking ... |
| 17:24:59 | tucoz | the opts are a common denominator. It is not certain that a target with SWCODEC has the ButtonStop defined |
| 17:27:18 | tucoz | The only keys that are in common for all the targets are left and right |
| 17:27:57 | tucoz | even if we could |
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| 17:29:13 | Febs | OK, bear with me if I am being dense here, but why can't we define the buttons the same way we define, for example, \playertype? I'll give you an example: |
| 17:29:15 | tucoz | , in theory add IRIVER to the optable commands and use this for the keytables, it is not probable that this will work on the next iriver target |
| 17:30:04 | tucoz | for now, both h100 and h300 share the same keys but with different naming. However, this is not likely with a newer iriver target. |
| 17:31:17 | Febs | OK, I understand that, but why can't we define buttons without using the \opt, in the same manner that we define, \playertype, or \dap? So for example: |
| 17:31:50 | Febs | H100: \newcommand{\ButtonUp}{Up} |
| 17:31:59 | tucoz | I get it. But it is not possible, because all the players do not share the same keys. |
| 17:32:09 | Febs | ipodnane: \newcommand{\ButtonUp}{Scroll Up} |
| 17:32:15 | Febs | nane\nano |
| 17:33:48 | tucoz | think of the archoses for instance. Those have F1, F2 etc. Those keys are not available for the other targets |
| 17:34:17 | daurn|laptop | tucuz: you have a 40*? |
| 17:34:38 | Febs | I guess that the difference is that you are thinking in terms of buttons. I am thinking that we define buttons in terms of functions. For example, all platforms have a button that invokes the main menu, right? |
| 17:34:39 | tucoz | daurn|laptop, what is that? |
| 17:35:11 | daurn|laptop | archos |
| 17:35:22 | Febs | Couldn't we define \ButtonMainMenu in each platform, and then use that instead of a complicated /opt? |
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| 17:35:51 | Febs | It wouldn't matter that the button that called the main menu is the AB button on iriver, the "menu" button on ipod, etc. |
| 17:36:04 | tucoz | Febs, I see. Hmm. That might be an option. But, we would still have to opt the key tables as the number of keys differ |
| 17:36:16 | daurnimator | eg, ipod has 4 buttons + hold + scroller |
| 17:36:31 | tucoz | daurnimator, I do not have an archos. |
| 17:36:43 | daurnimator | archos gmini 40* has dpad(4 buttons), play, stop, F1,F2,F3,go & back |
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| 17:38:21 | Febs | tucoz, perhaps, but to use another example, if we defined, say \ButtonVolumeUp, I think it would make thinks much easier. The button mapping table entry would be something "Volume up\\ButtonVolumeUp" |
| 17:38:52 | tucoz | Febs, right. I understand what you mean. |
| 17:38:58 | tom__ | what's the default battery capacity? |
| 17:39:04 | tucoz | tom__, what player? |
| 17:39:08 | tom__ | h300 |
| 17:39:28 | Febs | Suppose a new platform, with dedicated volume buttons, was ported to Rockbox. We'd just define \newcommand{\ButtonVolumeUp}{Volume Up} in the platform file and no changes would be necessary elsewhere in the manual. |
| 17:39:34 | tucoz | don't know. it's 1300mAh for the h1xx |
| 17:39:47 | petur | I think it's 1400mAh |
| 17:39:50 | Hansmaulwurf | 1300 |
| 17:39:55 | Hansmaulwurf | on H120 |
| 17:40:00 | Febs | I think that H100 and H300 use the same battery. |
| 17:40:36 | tucoz | but that would make the platform-files really dense. The same keys are used for numerous things. Think of the plugins. |
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| 17:42:07 | tucoz | I understand what you mean, but I am not sure if that would work. |
| 17:42:31 | Febs | True, but with the current method, all of the rest of the manual is really dense. Let's say we got to a point where Rockbox suppored 100 platforms. Someone adds a new function. It could take 1 minute to write the text to document the function, and 3 days to do all the \opt statements. |
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| 17:43:46 | tucoz | You are right about that. The key-tables are a pain these days. But, I am not sure how a separation by feature would simplify it in the long run. |
| 17:44:21 | tucoz | What would happen if a player had a lot of keys, or if a player had something like 3 keys |
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| 17:45:59 | Febs | Why would that make a difference? Take the extreme example, where every function in Rockbox had a separate, specific button assign to it. The platform file for that platform would still be the same as the 3 button platform. |
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| 17:46:59 | tucoz | So, you mean we should define a macro for all the functions? It might work, but I am not convinced |
| 17:47:01 | Febs | Granted, my theory makes sense if there are a finite, reasonable number of functions to map buttons to. |
| 17:47:14 | tucoz | I think I agree more now than 5 minutes ago |
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| 17:48:28 | tucoz | Hmm. the functions would be move up/down/left/right, enter menu, select, play, volume up/down ... |
| 17:48:41 | Hansmaulwurf | and hold? |
| 17:48:53 | Febs | Just thinking out loud of the functions we would need to define: MenuUp, MenuDown, Left, Right, VolumeUp, VolumeDown, Select, Play, Stop, Menu, QuickMenu, |
| 17:49:07 | bluebrother | Record |
| 17:49:13 | Febs | grrr. latency. was typing that while tucoz typed his list. |
| 17:49:17 | tucoz | hehe |
| 17:49:40 | tucoz | record is accessed from a menu |
| 17:49:53 | bluebrother | I'd also vote for Back and Forward. |
| 17:50:13 | bluebrother | yes, but the iriver has a recording button which starts recording. |
| 17:50:29 | tucoz | oh. Didn't know that was mapped to that yet :) |
| 17:50:45 | bluebrother | like Play, but like "PlayRecord" ;-) |
| 17:50:46 | Hansmaulwurf | bluebrother: but only in the iriver firmware |
| 17:50:57 | Hansmaulwurf | on rockbox, nothing happens when u press the recording button |
| 17:51:04 | bluebrother | Hansmaulwurf, I used it some days ago with rockbox. |
| 17:51:17 | bluebrother | let me check again ... |
| 17:51:27 | Febs | Record does nothing in the WPS. It DOES do something in the record screen. |
| 17:51:42 | tucoz | Febs, I am too tired to think. What would happen to the plugins? Will that still be an opt-hell? |
| 17:51:49 | Hansmaulwurf | just installed the latest bleeding edge bluebrother, nothing happens with the recording button (at least when i am in the WPS) |
| 17:52:15 | bluebrother | I used it in the recording screen ;-) |
| 17:52:18 | Hansmaulwurf | ah ok |
| 17:52:26 | Hansmaulwurf | you should have said that ;) |
| 17:52:31 | bluebrother | but strangely the status bar still displays the stop sign. |
| 17:53:57 | krypticmind | hum, the UI simulator doesn't do iPods, right? |
| 17:54:00 | Febs | tucoz, I don't know. I haven't focused on the Plugin chapter of the manual at all, and the only plugin I really use is Jewels. |
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| 17:54:34 | krypticmind | scratch my last |
| 17:54:34 | bluebrother | btw, is recording draining much more power than playing? I had the impression my battery was running out way faster |
| 17:55:34 | petur | the disk will spinn every 3 minutes |
| 17:55:59 | petur | as recording wav fills the buffer quickly |
| 17:56:08 | tucoz | We should force the plugin writers to write a .tex document before we accept the plugin to cvs |
| 17:56:09 | petur | no idea if we're boosting |
| 17:56:22 | bluebrother | hmm, ok, this is way more often than when playing. |
| 17:56:37 | bluebrother | iirc the hdd is the main power eater, isn't it? |
| 17:57:01 | petur | it is |
| 17:57:08 | Febs | tucoz, my gut feeling is that even if we had to still use opt-hell for plugins, my suggestion would still be more efficient for the bulk of the manual. |
| 17:57:26 | Febs | But let me think about it a bit further and maybe try to map out all of the functions we would need. |
| 17:58:02 | tucoz | as it is now. The plugin chapter feels like the bulk of the manual. All plugins have a key-table and it's a bit hard to complete those... |
| 17:58:21 | Febs | Let me take a look at it and maybe I can come up with a sort of proof of concept. |
| 17:58:30 | tucoz | Febs, sounds great. |
| 17:59:10 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be possible to add a generic section which would mention the basic (direction, select) keys that are used in all plugins and only mention keys that are different? |
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| 18:03:13 | qwm | hey. |
| 18:03:22 | qwm | how long does it take to recharge the nano? :P |
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| 19:37:19 | tucoz | what is wrong with viewcvs? I get a python traceback when clicking on the files Febs added. http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/getting_started/ipod_install.tex |
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| 19:38:40 | ender` | i don't see ipod_install.tex in there |
| 19:39:21 | tucoz | ender`, the files are added to cvs though |
| 19:40:24 | tucoz | Febs, why do you have the executable flag set to the files you commited? |
| 19:40:29 | ender` | well, viewcvs doesn't see them |
| 19:41:36 | tucoz | viewcvs should see them as I got them when I cvs up'ed |
| 19:41:59 | Febs | I didn't, unless it's set by default. But I thought that you had to use the -kb flag for that (which I definitely did not do). |
| 19:42:33 | tucoz | Febs, ok. I don't know why they are set. Maybe your editor does that for you. |
| 19:43:07 | preglow | cygwin does it by default |
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| 19:43:29 | tucoz | I see. Wonder why |
| 19:43:47 | preglow | it's retarded |
| 19:43:52 | tucoz | hehe |
| 19:44:28 | Mikachu | bad umask? |
| 19:44:43 | rconan | could be |
| 19:45:06 | rconan | the umask on my FAT partitions gives everyting +x |
| 19:45:11 | rconan | but i like it like that |
| 19:45:17 | tucoz | not that it matters, but is it possible to change file permissons in cvs? |
| 19:46:02 | bluebrother | umask on FAT? Is fat capable of storing a x flag? |
| 19:46:58 | rconan | the umask is a flag on the mount which gives everything certain permissions for the duration of the mount |
| 19:47:22 | rconan | i have it give everthing 755 or 775 i think |
| 19:49:44 | Mikachu | bluebrother: for fat, the umask is given to mount and applies to all files |
| 19:49:58 | Mikachu | (in linux) |
| 19:50:25 | Mikachu | i write faster than i read, sorry :) |
| 19:52:16 | markun | linuxstb: we're running our own code without linux on the gigabeat now! |
| 19:54:04 | tucoz | markun, congratulations |
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| 19:54:36 | linuxstb_ | markun: About time... :) |
| 19:54:46 | markun | :) |
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| 19:54:53 | markun | Yeah yeah.. |
| 19:55:29 | linuxstb_ | Is the next step getting the Rockbox bootloader working? |
| 19:55:43 | markun | Soon the nice part can start. We only need to figure out how to enter USB mode. |
| 19:55:53 | markun | Yes, I was working on the bootloader today |
| 19:56:12 | rconan | can anyone explain why i get the following error trying to compile a cross gcc ? |
| 19:56:13 | rconan | http://pastebin.com/737547 |
| 19:56:42 | Redbreva_ | What would be the syntax on this line to say H100 or iPod... ? #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD |
| 19:57:19 | linuxstb_ | rconan: What command did you type to generate that message? |
| 19:57:28 | rconan | make |
| 19:57:48 | rconan | im wondering why its looking for arm-elf-gcc when thats what im compiling? |
| 19:57:50 | linuxstb_ | Can you paste your "configure" line? |
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| 19:58:07 | rconan | ../../gcc-4.1.1/configure −−target=arm-elf −−prefix=/usr/local/arm-tools −−enable-languages=c |
| 19:58:16 | rconan | i know gcc-4.1.1 is dodgy |
| 19:58:19 | rconan | thats why im trying |
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| 19:59:01 | linuxstb_ | I would try googling to see if it's a known issue with 4.1.1 for arm. |
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| 19:59:09 | rconan | ok |
| 19:59:15 | Mikachu | and what does config.log say? |
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| 19:59:50 | linuxstb_ | Redbreva_: #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD==IRIVER_H100_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD==IPOD_4G_PAD) |
| 19:59:57 | linuxstb_ | (brackets are optional...) |
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| 20:00:06 | Redbreva_ | Thanks :) |
| 20:00:47 | rconan | ill paste my config.log in #rockbox.flood ? |
| 20:00:51 | linuxstb_ | IPOD_4G_PAD is used by every ipod apart from the 3G - I'm sure you can guess the name for the 3g's pad... |
| 20:01:04 | Mikachu | or... in the same place as before? |
| 20:01:33 | Redbreva_ | Uhmmmm,, IPOD_3G_PAD by any chance... :D |
| 20:01:36 | rconan | ok ill pastebin it |
| 20:02:52 | Redbreva_ | if || = OR does | = AND ? |
| 20:03:00 | rconan | http://pastebin.com/737569 |
| 20:03:04 | rconan | theres no info in there at all |
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| 20:03:56 | bluebrother | have you tried running it from the configure directory? |
| 20:04:08 | rconan | running what from the configure directory / |
| 20:04:09 | rconan | ? |
| 20:04:17 | bluebrother | Redbreva_, || equals or, and is && |
| 20:04:39 | bluebrother | running configure |
| 20:05:06 | markun | linuxstb_: the scrambled bit at the top should have been the rockbox logo ;) http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/logo_test1.jpg |
| 20:05:25 | rconan | im not running configure im running make |
| 20:05:41 | rconan | and gcc is definately supposed to build outside of the source directory |
| 20:05:45 | linuxstb_ | markun: Promising though... |
| 20:06:07 | bluebrother | yes, but line 21 looks strange to me −− maybe configure does something wrong? |
| 20:06:59 | Redbreva_ | bluebrother: Thanks for that, so what does (BUTTON_F1 | BUTTON_LEFT) mean? |
| 20:07:07 | rconan | i just remembered that the first time i ran configure i forgot the −−enable-lang section so im gonna try again doing that from a clean build dir |
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| 20:09:29 | bluebrother | Redbreva_, IIRC || was or-ing the result of a test and | was or-ing the given values bit-wise. Shouldn't make any difference in the line you're given. |
| 20:11:20 | Redbreva_ | no, the 2nd line was a button assignment statement, so does that mean F1 OR LEFT key will work? |
| 20:11:46 | Redbreva_ | that is EITHER button will do tha same action? |
| 20:12:25 | Mikachu | Redbreva_: what is the full line? is it a switch(button) type thing? |
| 20:12:50 | Redbreva_ | #define MINESWP_LEFT (BUTTON_F1 | BUTTON_LEFT) |
| 20:13:01 | Mikachu | that would mean you press both |
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| 20:13:48 | bluebrother | the buttons are represented by bitmasks, aren't they? |
| 20:13:54 | Redbreva_ | so it's F1 + LEFT = move left? |
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| 20:13:59 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:15:56 | bluebrother | ok, now I got the point. |
| 20:16:20 | Redbreva_ | Confused slightly... #define MINESWP_LEFT (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_LEFT) for the Ipod, but the ipod sim LEFT moves left, select & left does nothing |
| 20:17:05 | Mikachu | then MINESWP_LEFT is probably not used for moving left on ipods |
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| 20:18:20 | linuxstb_ | It looks like MINESWP_LEFT isn't used to move left on any target - BUTTON_LEFT is used directly... |
| 20:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, check the actual movement code. Maybe someone just used BUTTON_LEFT and BUTTON_RIGHT. Those are defined for all targets, so it might not even trigger a warning/error. |
| 20:18:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or someone could actually check AND say something, two seconds before me. |
| 20:18:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: What arm-elf-gcc do you use, if I may ask? |
| 20:19:24 | linuxstb_ | 4.0.2 - the same as the main server. I saw your questions to Bagder yesterday in the logs. |
| 20:19:46 | Redbreva_ | yep, there is a CASE for BUTTON_LEFT and for MINESWP_LEFT, with differing code |
| 20:21:26 | Redbreva_ | Thanks folks, slightly less confused now... |
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| 20:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: It seemed worth pursuing just because there are a few people who've said they've never encountered the issue (you included), and so far they all compile their own builds. |
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| 20:58:07 | rconan | ok I've still got that gcc compile error |
| 20:58:26 | rconan | http://pastebin.com/737547 |
| 20:58:40 | rconan | config.log: |
| 20:58:41 | rconan | http://pastebin.com/737569 |
| 20:59:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looks like you're missing gmp.h |
| 20:59:46 | rconan | where would that come from then? |
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| 21:00:49 | rconan | should gmp.h be in my toolchain or on the host ? |
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| 21:03:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know. Just reading the config.log |
| 21:05:01 | rconan | ok i didnt have gmp.h on my system |
| 21:05:43 | rconan | or rather not in my active directories |
| 21:06:14 | rconan | theres a copy in my glibc source so maybe i should have installed a libc for the toolchain |
| 21:06:25 | rconan | i thought that was done after the compiler though |
| 21:06:43 | linuxstb | In Debian, there's a /usr/include/gmp.h in libgmp3-dev. But maybe that's different... |
| 21:07:07 | rconan | ive installed that |
| 21:07:14 | obo | I also have that message about a missing gmp.h from a sucessful 4.0.3 arm compile |
| 21:07:15 | rconan | the compile still fails |
| 21:07:33 | rconan | do i need to reconfigure after installing that file |
| 21:07:36 | linuxstb | I've only compiled up to 4.0.2, and I didn't have gmp.h |
| 21:07:43 | linuxstb | rconan: Yes, I expect so. |
| 21:07:53 | rconan | cant hurst i suppose |
| 21:08:16 | rconan | in the configure command theres a : |
| 21:08:17 | rconan | checking for correct version of gmp.h... yes |
| 21:08:19 | rconan | line |
| 21:08:22 | rconan | so thats promising |
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| 21:10:00 | amiconn | rconan: The problem with gcc 4.1.x is that libssp doesn't like to be crosscompiled |
| 21:10:21 | rconan | is there an option to compile without libssp |
| 21:10:28 | amiconn | You can build arm-elf-gcc 4.1.x if you add the option −−disable-libssp to configure |
| 21:10:51 | amiconn | There's a reason why we recommend certain gcc versions.... |
| 21:11:55 | amiconn | Chossing a higher revision (e.g. 4.0.4 instead of 4.0.3) usually doesn't cause problems. Chossing a different version often does |
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| 21:12:56 | rconan | but if no-one ever tried using the higher version then no progress would be made |
| 21:13:58 | amiconn | of course |
| 21:14:15 | amiconn | 4.1.x was already tried though |
| 21:16:15 | preglow | i use arm-elf-gcc |
| 21:16:16 | preglow | ehh |
| 21:16:16 | preglow | 4.1 |
| 21:16:26 | amiconn | I know |
| 21:16:43 | rconan | what are the problems with it except for the libssp thing? |
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| 21:21:20 | preglow | some warnings |
| 21:21:23 | preglow | nothing much |
| 21:21:24 | preglow | works fine for me |
| 21:22:11 | amiconn | A few more warnings iirc |
| 21:22:22 | preglow | yup |
| 21:22:25 | preglow | a ton in the case of doom |
| 21:22:30 | preglow | about type-punned pointers |
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| 21:42:14 | linuxstb | I'm thinking about how best to change the "Severity" rating of the outstanding 3.0 bugs to try and prioritise them. My thoughts are to use "Critical" only for bugs which we would delay 3.0 to fix, "High" for bugs which affect the core music playback features of Rockbox, but we wouldn't delay 3.0 for them, "Medium" would be any other core features, and "Low" would be for any bugs in plugins. |
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| 21:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I agree |
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| 21:50:47 | linuxstb | Any objections before I start changing all the bug reports? preglow? amiconn? |
| 21:57:30 | preglow | nopes |
| 21:57:36 | preglow | are we still gonna release 3.0 for h3x0? |
| 21:58:04 | preglow | i'm afraid i won't have any time for coding until after the weekend anyway :/ |
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| 21:58:47 | petur | releasing something that's not 100% stable is bad for the rockbox image (imho) |
| 21:58:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | My vote is against releasing for H300 until the battery issue is fixed. |
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| 21:59:06 | petur | that too |
| 21:59:08 | lowlight | FYI...logf build fails because of 2 #if (ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF == 1) in playback.c (lines 2802 & 2840) |
| 21:59:33 | lowlight | should be #ifdef's |
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| 22:00:07 | amiconn | Hmm, the scheme sounds reasonable. However, then there is no distintion between crash bugs and less severe bug |
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| 22:00:31 | amiconn | s |
| 22:00:32 | baaps | I keep getting this error |
| 22:00:33 | baaps | [ERR] File is too large for firmware partition, aborting. |
| 22:00:49 | Mikachu | if they aren't considered critical enough to delay the 3.0 release, they shouldn't be in the 'due for 3.0' group at all |
| 22:01:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | baaps: Are you compiling a patched or unpatched build? Are you using the exact compiler versions recommended in the wiki? |
| 22:03:02 | linuxstb | baaps: Which ipod? |
| 22:03:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | baaps: Ignore me, I misread what you asked. |
| 22:05:27 | linuxstb | Mikachu: IMO, there is a difference between being "due" in 3.0 and "must" be in 3.0. |
| 22:06:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | How many crash bugs are there out there right now (discounting all the varied iPod ones) |
| 22:06:17 | linuxstb | That's what I'm trying to work out... |
| 22:07:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I've heard of a data abort or two under non-reproduceable circumstances, but that's about it for iRivers as far as I've seen lately. I saw some talk about the H300 freezing alot over at MR, but I think that's the experimental build. |
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| 22:09:37 | baaps | ipod color |
| 22:09:38 | baaps | 4g |
| 22:09:45 | preglow | data abort on iriver??? |
| 22:10:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I've seen one or two mentions of it somewhere, relating to tagcache use. At least I _think_ it was iRiver. |
| 22:10:20 | preglow | iriver doesn't have data abort |
| 22:10:22 | linuxstb | baaps: How big are the following files: apple_os.bin, bootpartition.bin and rockboot.bin ? |
| 22:10:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Then I'm wrong. Simple as that. :) |
| 22:10:56 | * | petur receives flyspray mails.... |
| 22:12:26 | amiconn | Hmm, runtime test on mini g2 turned out almost the same as the last one :( |
| 22:13:50 | amiconn | Something causes more additional power drain than the gain in libmad saves, compared to my old test |
| 22:13:58 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
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| 22:15:33 | Zendefera | has there beenany work done in getting the clicker comming through when moving around the click wheel on an ipod either through the headphones or internal ipod speaker? |
| 22:16:28 | linuxstb | Zendefera: There's a patch on the patch tracker. |
| 22:17:02 | Zendefera | linuxstd heres a stupid question these are code patches right? |
| 22:17:22 | Zendefera | :) you know what don't answer that, its stupid I already know the answer. |
| 22:18:53 | preglow | amiconn: what'd that be |
| 22:19:02 | preglow | amiconn: you sure the gain in libmad would be measurable anyway? |
| 22:19:34 | amiconn | Not sure about the latter |
| 22:19:41 | preglow | me neither |
| 22:20:01 | amiconn | lostlogic removed the boost-while-rebuffer at some point during his rework |
| 22:20:11 | preglow | indeed he did |
| 22:20:17 | preglow | cpu should be boosted during buffer, imho |
| 22:20:26 | amiconn | That makes the disk spin longer, *especially* when the codec uses a lot of power |
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| 22:20:58 | amiconn | Someone measured ata speed on ipod boosted vs. unboosted meanwhile? |
| 22:21:01 | preglow | hahaha |
| 22:21:01 | preglow | prot |
| 22:21:17 | linuxstb | OK, I think I've categorised everything playback related as "high", everything else in the core as "medium" and plugin bugs as "low". Now, what bugs do we consider release-critical? |
| 22:21:29 | preglow | amiconn: don't thiunk so |
| 22:21:51 | * | amiconn should do that soonish |
| 22:22:20 | * | preglow laments the lack of data sheets again |
| 22:22:41 | amiconn | preglow: Thinking about dma? |
| 22:22:44 | preglow | yes |
| 22:22:53 | preglow | not only for ata |
| 22:23:00 | * | amiconn also wanted to test ata dma on coldfire |
| 22:23:26 | preglow | let's hope scrotumplayer starts playing nice by releasing datasheets to get revenge on apple :> |
| 22:23:41 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:23:43 | sharpe | yay! second nosebleed of the day! woo! |
| 22:25:36 | petur | grrr, I didn't know I was subscribed to all those tracker entries... |
| 22:26:44 | EbErT | how about freezing bugs for 4g ipod linuxstb |
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| 22:27:27 | EbErT | a feature where u could play "same songs from this artist" using id3 tags would be super neat |
| 22:27:44 | EbErT | when in any display mode |
| 22:27:52 | linuxstb | EbErT: What are you asking about the freezing bugs? |
| 22:28:21 | EbErT | just saying they should and probably are a high priority |
| 22:28:32 | linuxstb | Yes, but not until after the 3.0 release. |
| 22:28:45 | linuxstb | - the 3.0 release doesn't include the ipods. |
| 22:28:50 | EbErT | really? |
| 22:28:57 | lostlogic | amiconn: I thought we were going to boost during ATA anyway soon? |
| 22:29:00 | EbErT | hmm |
| 22:29:01 | linuxstb | Yes - ipods are scheduled for 3.1 in November. |
| 22:29:26 | EbErT | hm, long way away |
| 22:29:48 | EbErT | shouldn't they be working harder to catch up ipods to where the other players are at |
| 22:29:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Well, the iRivers haven't even been officially released yet, and they've been in development a LOT longer and are much further along. Do you really think the iPod version is almost "done"? |
| 22:29:54 | EbErT | and then go from there |
| 22:29:56 | linuxstb | Yes, but virtually all bug fixes for the iriver targets are also bug fixes for the ipods. |
| 22:30:08 | EbErT | no, not at all paul |
| 22:30:17 | linuxstb | It's just ipod-specific issues that are being ignored for a few weeks. |
| 22:30:24 | lowlight | linuxstb: I've got a bug you can fix now...logf enabled builds fail: playback.c lines 2802, 2840 (see my comment earlier) |
| 22:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: So it'd be a little hard for them to be part of the release in a week, ne? |
| 22:30:55 | EbErT | ne? |
| 22:31:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno where I picked that one up. |
| 22:31:05 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: turning japanese? |
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| 22:31:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I had a half-japanese girlfriend for two years. That must've been it. |
| 22:31:27 | Mikachu | hehe |
| 22:31:33 | EbErT | hm, it seems to be freezing more now that releases i put on a couple weeks ago |
| 22:32:02 | * | amiconn points EbErT to the channel topic ;-) |
| 22:32:05 | amiconn | scnr |
| 22:32:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:32:45 | EbErT | ya ya |
| 22:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Unfortunately nobody's been able to isolate what actually _causes_ the freeze. All we've got is that setting the CPU frequency permanently to 75mhz seems to prevent it for most people. |
| 22:32:58 | EbErT | someone should spank whoever made the updates |
| 22:33:05 | EbErT | u'll have to spank lotsa ppl tho |
| 22:33:31 | EbErT | 75 mhz as opposed to what? |
| 22:33:33 | linuxstb | EbErT: If you can find exactly which build was the first to not work, I'm sure that would help track down the problem. |
| 22:34:06 | Mikachu | EbErT: 75 and 23 |
| 22:34:08 | Mikachu | iirc |
| 22:34:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | 75, 30, 24 |
| 22:34:18 | Mikachu | close |
| 22:34:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | 30 is the normal. |
| 22:34:24 | linuxstb | lowlight: I'll have a look now. |
| 22:34:35 | EbErT | isn't that dangerous? could overheat? |
| 22:35:01 | Mikachu | underclocking rarely causes overheating |
| 22:35:09 | EbErT | bb, i'll find which one i was using |
| 22:35:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Naaah. Before we had CPU speed switching working properly, I ran mine for a full charge to empty at 75 without problem. They're rated for higher than that (I think the lowest are rated to 80) |
| 22:37:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most people only knew that CPU speed switching went in because their menus got "sluggish" after, since the processor wasn't quite running fast enough for them at 30. |
| 22:38:55 | sharpe | i say we implement four speeds, instead of three. |
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| 22:44:59 | linuxstb | lowlight: logf build works fine for me.... |
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| 22:46:12 | linuxstb | That "#if (ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF == 1)" isn't the conventional way to write it, but afaik, it's legal. |
| 22:48:07 | Mikachu | maybe whoever wrote it wanted it to error if it wasn't defined |
| 22:48:40 | lowlight | linuxstb: I was building for the h120 sim with logf enabled and it wouldn't build as is |
| 22:49:14 | linuxstb | I thought the pre-processor replaced undefined identifiers with "0" in expressions? |
| 22:49:35 | linuxstb | lowlight: Just trying that combination now. |
| 22:50:02 | davidc__ | linuxstb: nope, it [should] throw an undefined |
| 22:51:50 | linuxstb | But in a normal Rockbox build, ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF is undefined and the pre-processor doesn't complain about "#if (ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF == 1)" |
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| 22:52:02 | EbErT | 17, the last digits in a build that didn't freeze much |
| 22:52:30 | linuxstb | lowlight: A h120 sim with logf enabled builds fine for me as well. |
| 22:53:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does this page load for everyone else? http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
| 22:53:25 | EbErT | bah, hold on, need to use the computer i downloaded them on heh |
| 22:53:36 | EbErT | no |
| 22:53:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 22:53:54 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: It's been broken for a few days - around the same time viewcvs started acting strangely. |
| 22:53:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | My ISP's been doing crazy things lately, so I have a hard time telling what's their fault, and what's actually gone wrong. |
| 22:53:59 | EbErT | how do i get to cpu switching? |
| 22:54:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, lately, a few URLS go to 127.0.0.1, and I verified that wherever the problem is, it's outside of my LAN. |
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| 22:54:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: What do you mean? |
| 22:54:33 | Zendefera | so I can't compile rockbox with gcc 4.1.0? |
| 22:54:41 | EbErT | oh, change the cpu speed |
| 22:54:45 | Zendefera | or has that changed since the writting of that documentation. |
| 22:54:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zendefera: You _can_ but it's not guaranteed to work. |
| 22:55:01 | EbErT | u can just use ebert :) |
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| 22:55:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: You can change it in the debug menu. And I just use Eb and the tab key. |
| 22:55:58 | lowlight | linuxstb: I get "playback.c:2802:23: operator '==' has no left operand" |
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| 22:56:01 | Aghaster | hi |
| 22:56:14 | Zendefera | hi |
| 22:56:28 | sharpe | i'm going to try again to get eclipse working with rockbox. |
| 22:56:30 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: depends on the platform, i use gcc 4.1 for arm all the time, and have been for months |
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| 22:57:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: All I said is we can't guarantee it'll work. Not that it won't. :) |
| 22:57:26 | lowlight | linuxstb: I should mention I'm trying this using cygwin right now (if that would matter) |
| 22:57:32 | Aghaster | Does anybody else run rockbox on his ipod in here? |
| 22:57:50 | linuxstb | lowlight: gcc −−version ? |
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| 22:58:26 | lowlight | linuxstb: gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (cygming special) (gdc 0.12, using dmd 0.125) |
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| 22:58:36 | linuxstb | Aghaster: I run Rockbox on someone else's ipod... |
| 22:58:46 | sharpe | i run rockbox on my ipod... |
| 22:58:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: There are several of us using Rockbox-on-iPod |
| 22:58:54 | Aghaster | I noticed that when i plugged my ipod on its dock, the ipod loads rockbox but says "cleared" |
| 22:58:56 | Zendefera | I got rockbox on my ipod video 30g |
| 22:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Is the hold switch on? |
| 22:59:11 | Aghaster | yes |
| 22:59:15 | sharpe | you have the hold switch enabled while booting. |
| 22:59:21 | davidc__ | linuxstb: huh - just tested it - throws an error here.. must be some flag or something :/ |
| 22:59:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Booting with the hold switch on clears settings. It's intentional. |
| 22:59:32 | Aghaster | ok |
| 22:59:34 | davidc__ | linuxstb: er, just throws a warning - not an error |
| 22:59:34 | Aghaster | i didnt know |
| 22:59:51 | linuxstb | "The -Wundef option causes GCC to warn whenever it encounters an identifier which is not a macro in an #if." |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:24 | davidc__ | maybe stick a #ifdef before |
| 23:00:25 | Aghaster | and i just wanted to know, maybe its just an impression, but i feel my ipod responsivity is not _so_ good on rockbox on my ipod. sometimes i doesn't get the message right away and i have to press again |
| 23:00:41 | EbErT | linuxstb: ipodcolor- 20060517 did not freeze |
| 23:00:57 | linuxstb | EbErT: Does 20060518 ? |
| 23:01:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem's been around since at least April... |
| 23:01:41 | EbErT | i do not know unfortunately, skipped some and the latest freezes |
| 23:02:03 | EbErT | ya, it froze, but usually when accessing lots of things at once |
| 23:02:16 | EbErT | not just sitting playing songs |
| 23:02:18 | linuxstb | davidc__, lowlight I'll just go ahead and change it to a simple #ifdef. But my understanding of this page is that it's legal, so I'm not sure why lowlight's gcc is complaining: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/gcc-4.0.1/cpp/If.html#If |
| 23:02:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Then "did not freeze" isn't really a valid description, is it? |
| 23:02:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: It's a very hard bug to track down, so very accurate statements are sorta essential. |
| 23:02:51 | EbErT | no |
| 23:03:09 | EbErT | ya, i know. i can't really help because that build i showed you was the first i used |
| 23:03:15 | EbErT | and it did freeze some |
| 23:03:27 | Aghaster | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4346.0 uh, what a dumbass wrote that |
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| 23:04:14 | linuxstb | Aghaster: It's OK, LinusN has given him a refund. |
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| 23:04:25 | Aghaster | lol, ok |
| 23:05:31 | Bagder | our money-back guarantee wins again |
| 23:07:21 | Mikachu | he gives people with nicks ending in "chu" a bad name :( |
| 23:09:07 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: congrats on the finally becoming admin on the forums! |
| 23:09:17 | linuxstb | lowlight: OK, I've committed it - mainly to be consistent with the rest of Rockbox. I still don't understand why your gcc complains. |
| 23:09:22 | petur | \o/ |
| 23:09:41 | EbErT | codec uses 90% stack usage |
| 23:09:55 | Bagder | linuxstb: it should |
| 23:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Thank you. :) |
| 23:10:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was confused for a little bit because something didn't quite look right when I was reading a thread, then I realized my post had these little _blue_ starts instead of yellow ones. I was quite lost for a moment. |
| 23:11:12 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I guess it means Jeff finally caught up with his inqueue ;-) |
| 23:11:14 | linuxstb | Bagder: But why "playback.c:2802:23: operator '==' has no left operand" when building a logf-enabled build? |
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| 23:11:35 | XavierGr | hehe Congrats Paul! \o/ |
| 23:11:45 | Bagder | linuxstb: because ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF is blank |
| 23:11:58 | Bagder | #if ( == 1) |
| 23:12:11 | linuxstb | No, it's "1" - at least in my autoconf.h |
| 23:12:43 | Bagder | right, it should rather fail when _not_ building logf |
| 23:13:01 | Bagder | then it sounds like a case when autoconf.h is not included properly |
| 23:13:03 | linuxstb | When it's undefined, it's 0 - at least that's my understanding. |
| 23:13:20 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, only 2594 post to become a moderator. And you lost the status as Hero Member. Was it worth it? ;-) |
| 23:13:21 | Bagder | linuxstb: no, it isn't defined as 0 |
| 23:13:23 | linuxstb | Otherwise, we would all be complaining about those lines. |
| 23:13:39 | Bagder | gcc can thus treat undefined variables as 0 in #if lines |
| 23:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: I dunno. There's a few things I have to figure out yet. |
| 23:13:47 | Bagder | s/thus/though |
| 23:13:52 | linuxstb | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 23:14:04 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, what I should say is. Congratulations |
| 23:14:27 | Bagder | -Wundef |
| 23:14:27 | Bagder | Warn if an undefined identifier is evaluated in an #if directive. |
| 23:14:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Well, hopefully I can help keep things a little more organized there. |
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| 23:15:18 | tucoz | So far I've read a lot of pro-answers with your name attached to them. So, I guess that will go just fine. |
| 23:15:28 | Bagder | I think the #ifdef way is the proper way anyway |
| 23:15:59 | jakub31337 | why rockbox on my ipod is working ony in version from CVS-060516 - GRAY 4G |
| 23:16:08 | jakub31337 | other versions hold on boot |
| 23:16:59 | jakub31337 | i have only logo backlight is running but thats all ;> |
| 23:17:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was also contemplating another "membergroup" or whatever they're called. I've noticed a few people (Febs particularly, but there are others) who pretty consistently report with good answers, clearly spoken, and so on, and was wondering if it'd be okay with the folk around here to maybe create a group with standard permissions, but a specific grouping for users who are regularly helpful and knowledgeable about the project? I'm n |
| 23:17:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | jakub31337: It freezes with the Rockbox logo displaying? |
| 23:17:34 | jakub31337 | yes |
| 23:17:46 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: What kind of extra permissions would those users get (or need) ? |
| 23:17:54 | jakub31337 | rockbox + number of version and backlight |
| 23:18:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I don't think they'd need any extra permissions. Just a different thing than the regular posts-dependent status on the left. |
| 23:18:23 | jakub31337 | and i can only reboot |
| 23:18:25 | jakub31337 | :/ |
| 23:18:45 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Ah, you just mean a fancy job title, rather than any power? :) |
| 23:19:00 | jakub31337 | but on version CVS-060516 everything is good |
| 23:19:36 | jakub31337 | newer doesnt work |
| 23:20:18 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you know why the since25.html file is missing? |
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| 23:20:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Basically yes. Just a way to help people have confidence in the answers they get, and such. A way to show that "This person in most cases knows what he's talking about." You know, for devs, the people who work on the manual, and the people who just try to be helpful. |
| 23:20:53 | jakub31337 | Paul_The_Nerd: you know what i can do with this? |
| 23:20:54 | Bagder | linuxstb: no, but I'd guess its related to the other cvs issues seen lately |
| 23:20:58 | jakub31337 | can i debug? |
| 23:20:58 | lowlight | linuxstb: Ok, thanks. I was enabling it to try to track down this ffwd bug for large flacs. |
| 23:21:04 | jakub31337 | or sth |
| 23:21:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | jakub31337: It's a known issue, but we are unable to determine the cause so far. Unfortunately it's turned out to be quite difficult to track down, and has worsened lately. |
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| 23:22:39 | jakub31337 | so bad :/ |
| 23:22:42 | linuxstb | jakub31337: Can you just confirm that you've tried 20060517 after 1) Deleting your old .rockbox and rockbox,ipod files before installing the new build; and 2) Turning on the hold switch as it boots to reset the settings. |
| 23:23:30 | Bagder | ok, since25.html works again |
| 23:23:45 | linuxstb | Bagder: Thanks. Now I can see what changed between the 16th and 17th... |
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| 23:25:25 | Bagder | goodie |
| 23:25:49 | linuxstb | Nothing at all suspicious happened on the 16th though... |
| 23:25:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: You could have seen this before |
| 23:26:17 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source has this nice little changelog links |
| 23:26:33 | linuxstb | Ah yes, forgot about those... |
| 23:26:49 | linuxstb | Still, I only had to wait about 2 minutes for Bagder to fix it. |
| 23:27:21 | EbErT | hasn't frozen yet with the higher cpu speed |
| 23:27:56 | amiconn | The only change that could influence ipod is this tiny dircache fix... but that sounds very unlikely |
| 23:28:05 | jakub31337 | linuxstb: you say ipod files you are thinking all data on disc? |
| 23:28:25 | | Part lowlight |
| 23:28:28 | linuxstb | jakub31337: No, I just meant your ".rockbox" folder and the "rockbox.ipod" file. |
| 23:28:43 | amiconn | Hmm, otoh that might be a reason why I don't get any freezes - I never use dircache |
| 23:28:56 | petur | h3x0 eeprom is configured at addres 1 |
| 23:29:01 | jakub31337 | linuxstb: ok, i will try |
| 23:30:48 | EbErT | you don't get freezes on your ipod, amiconn |
| 23:31:12 | EbErT | i dunno what dircache does. how do you turn it off? |
| 23:31:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Most of the devs don't. Or all of them. That's what makes it so hard to find. ;-) |
| 23:31:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: It's actually something you have to turn on. |
| 23:32:03 | EbErT | do all of you overdrive your ipod cpu too :) |
| 23:32:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine's a Nano, which doesn't suffer from the freezing bug. |
| 23:32:33 | davidc__ | just for the record - us over @ iPL seem to work fine up to 90mhz |
| 23:32:41 | davidc__ | we haven't run all the models up that high though |
| 23:32:44 | jakub31337 | linuxstb: ok i think that 20060517 is working |
| 23:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | davidc__: It wasn't until we clocked _down_ the CPU that it showed up. |
| 23:32:49 | davidc__ | and we do notice increased heat @ the back |
| 23:33:03 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: hrm - you sure you're doing the clock speed changing right? |
| 23:33:20 | davidc__ | you might be doing something funky clocking wise which is causing interrupts to drop or something... |
| 23:33:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | davidc__: The person who wrote it is fairly confident, but I can't say anything in the matter. |
| 23:33:31 | davidc__ | does it occur at the lower speed? or at transitions? |
| 23:33:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Haven't tracked that down yet. |
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| 23:34:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect at lower speed, but there's nothing _solid_ I believe that says this is true. |
| 23:34:58 | davidc__ | hrm... maybe you're not hitting a necessary interrupt timing or something? |
| 23:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is (and no offense to them) that the bug reports are entirely from users, and most of them don't seem too interested in anything but "How do I use it without it freezing" and it's a bit hard to get them to try again and watch what's happening when ti freezes. |
| 23:35:15 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: heh, we suffer just the same ;) |
| 23:35:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm training them, slowly. They're getting better. |
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| 23:36:33 | amiconn | davidc__: The product brief for the pp5020 says it's specced 80MHz, so I wouldn't run it at 90. I have a mini g2, and the pp5022 is specced 100MHz |
| 23:36:43 | amiconn | I ran it successfully at 96MHz |
| 23:36:50 | zblach | hrm |
| 23:37:02 | zblach | appears that rockbox doesn't work with the iPod Hi-Fi system either |
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| 23:37:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | zblach: So I've been told |
| 23:37:54 | zblach | drat. so i hadn't been told. |
| 23:38:49 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: heh, maybe you guys don't get our class of users.. they're untrainable |
| 23:39:15 | davidc__ | amiconn: eh, it did run that fast though ;) |
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| 23:41:41 | zblach | so it's either gapless-playback or good sound. hrm. |
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| 23:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I heard the iPod HiFi really wasn't worth the money compared to systems you could get for the same price and just hook the 'pod up to a line in |
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| 23:42:44 | zblach | Paul_The_Nerd: gifts are free |
| 23:43:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaaah |
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| 23:43:29 | tim66 | anyone here know why battery life is so poor when on the recording screen but not recording? |
| 23:43:43 | tim66 | i'm using an iriver h140 btw |
| 23:44:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | How much worse? |
| 23:45:35 | tim66 | i can play mp3 or ogg for a lot longer. i was using the iriver as a headphone amp, monitoring the line-in |
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| 23:46:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | How does it compare to doing the same thing in iRiver firmware? |
| 23:46:37 | tim66 | no idea, yet. I'll give that a go tomorrow |
| 23:46:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really hard to call something poor until you have something to compare it to. :-P |
| 23:47:56 | tim66 | just seems poor that I can monitor for less time than I can play from disk. it feels wrong, don't you think? |
| 23:48:05 | zblach | Paul_The_Nerd: if you can, could you explain to me why there would be any difficulty with the ipod hifi? is the plug remapped? |
| 23:49:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | zblach: Does the HiFi have buttons on it for next-track, etc, or is it all handled by the clickwheel? |
| 23:49:47 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: clickwheel, iirc |
| 23:49:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | tim66: Depends. More hardware is active in that case. |
| 23:49:56 | davidc__ | zblach: most likely you need to send some kind of enable down the dock port |
| 23:50:07 | davidc__ | the apple photo connector needs an enable to turn on its SMPS |
| 23:50:09 | Zendefera | hey guys, I am building all of the devel tools to be able to compile rockbox. I have a ipod, so my target platform is arm, so for binutils, for my ./configure command I set my −−target=arm ? |
| 23:50:23 | tim66 | paul_the_nerd: apart from the disk ;-) |
| 23:50:33 | Bagder | Zendefera: arm-elf, as documented |
| 23:50:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | tim66: The disk is spun up once every half hour while playing ogg. :-P |
| 23:50:52 | Zendefera | oh, thanks. I didn't see the -elf. thanks |
| 23:51:42 | tim66 | paul_the_nerd: and the CPU is running much harder on ogg too. monitoring should be a fairly idle task, apart from the peak meter?? |
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| 23:52:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | tim66: I honestly don't know what the code is doing. As I said, check it in the iRiver firmware. Maybe it's just an aspect of the whole. |
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| 23:53:07 | linuxstb | davidc__: Am I right in thinking there is no serial port driver for the PP502x ipods in IPL? |
| 23:53:22 | davidc__ | linuxstb: eh, there is, but we can't get the damn thing to work |
| 23:53:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | tim66: It's also possible that say, the CPU is permanently boosted in the recording screen so that peakmeter performance can be as good as possible, or something. |
| 23:54:01 | davidc__ | the pp chips have a really funky method of routing the serial signal to the pins - its multiplexed with a bunch of stuff we think |
| 23:54:18 | davidc__ | we think we've missed some enable somewhere |
| 23:54:43 | tim66 | paul_the_nerd: I'll give the iriver firmware a shot while I'm at work tomorrow. It's been a long time since I used it, hope i can remember how !! |
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| 23:55:43 | davidc__ | linuxstb: btw- aegray found a very promising lead on that video out stuff - you might want to hang around the chan tonight - we're gonna try and hack some code together for it |
| 23:55:48 | tim66 | paul_the_nerd: i wish I could get to the debug menus without 'closing' the recording screen |
| 23:55:52 | linuxstb | davidc__: OK. Good to know that at least some work has been done. |
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| 23:56:12 | linuxstb | davidc__: Which channel? You seem to have many nowadays... |
| 23:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | tim66: You could just check the source to see what's going on. |
| 23:56:30 | linuxstb | I'm definitely interested in the video-out functionality. |
| 23:56:55 | davidc__ | linuxstb: probably -dev -which we created to deal with the huge influxes of n00bs interfering with dev work in the main chan |
| 23:57:05 | zblach | "some kind of enable down the dock port"? |
| 23:57:14 | linuxstb | davidc__: OK, thanks. I'll lurk in both anyway. |
| 23:57:26 | davidc__ | linuxstb: anyhow - that'll be in 4 or 5 hours - gotta finish work first |
| 23:57:43 | linuxstb | I'll probably be asleep then (European time...) |
| 23:58:51 | davidc__ | linuxstb: ah, well I'll msg you if we get anything interesting |
| 23:59:01 | davidc__ | linuxstb: its gonna be Photo / Color only |
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