| 00:00:18 | davidc__ | preglow: just depends on the bandwidth we can develop to push pixels |
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| 00:00:23 | preglow | davidc__: you need tv out for an eq? :) |
| 00:00:26 | davidc__ | might have to double the pixels up horizontally |
| 00:00:39 | davidc__ | preglow: nah, not an eq :P one of those bouncing FFT style things ;) |
| 00:00:43 | preglow | heh |
| 00:00:46 | preglow | will sure eat some cpu |
| 00:00:49 | preglow | that's for sure |
| 00:00:49 | preglow | but yeah |
| 00:00:52 | preglow | sounds sweet |
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| 00:01:00 | preglow | almost makes me want to code something demoish |
| 00:01:06 | davidc__ | yeah, it'd be cool for parties - re cpu - shouldn't be that bad |
| 00:01:16 | davidc__ | looks to be less overhead than the LCD controller, thats for sure |
| 00:01:20 | davidc__ | [just stream bytes to a register] |
| 00:01:26 | Mikachu | you have a whole unused cpu for that |
| 00:01:29 | davidc__ | and we think DMA to that might be possible - not sure yet |
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| 00:01:38 | preglow | Mikachu: they don't |
| 00:01:48 | davidc__ | preglow: the other cpu is barely used |
| 00:01:54 | davidc__ | it can take a good amount of load |
| 00:01:57 | preglow | no, but you ar eusing it |
| 00:02:05 | davidc__ | yeah, but its only used to service interrupts |
| 00:02:08 | linuxstb | Rockbox's multi-screen GUI system will work nicely with a TV-Out as well... |
| 00:02:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Rockbox needs something cool and demoish, something shinier than most of the existing plugins seem to be, to woo new users. |
| 00:02:20 | davidc__ | no main processing thread running on it |
| 00:02:45 | davidc__ | heh, we'll hafta keep our code to ourselves then till we get something shiny and demoish - then you can have at it ;) |
| 00:02:54 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: You mean a "DOS-like" text interface isn't wooing enough? |
| 00:03:01 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:03:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hell, Rockbox had me at the wonderful filetree listing on boot. But not everybody has such refined tastes as I. |
| 00:03:33 | preglow | ooomfg |
| 00:03:37 | preglow | this begs for a port of my ansi viewer |
| 00:03:44 | preglow | finally rockbox has a good reason for supporting c++! |
| 00:03:58 | preglow | and sdl :PP |
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| 00:04:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 00:04:24 | Bagder | is it technically possible to do good things in C++ you claim? ;-) |
| 00:04:29 | preglow | no |
| 00:04:42 | preglow | i wouldn't dare that |
| 00:04:59 | * | Bagder roles down his sleeves again |
| 00:05:04 | Mikachu | yeah i want to view the .nfo files for my movies i can't watch on rockbox yet |
| 00:05:25 | Mikachu | maybe they mostly don't use ansi codes in those |
| 00:05:51 | preglow | also, this begs for a port of second reality |
| 00:05:53 | davidc__ | actually - video decoding should be easier /w video out than with the lcd - might be easier than all the hoops we have to jump through for the lcd now.. |
| 00:06:05 | zblach | Mikachu: rockbox does nothing with movies anyways |
| 00:06:26 | Mikachu | yes, if you would have read to the end of my sentence little monkeys are cute |
| 00:06:47 | zblach | ah. strange wrap-around. my bad. |
| 00:06:57 | zblach | carry on |
| 00:07:08 | amiconn | davidc__: I expect some not-yet-known config registers for the pp lcd controller |
| 00:07:43 | preglow | Bagder: why you guys haven't done a rockbox demo yet is beyond me |
| 00:07:44 | amiconn | The data path is way slower than what I would expect |
| 00:08:05 | davidc__ | amiconn: yea - but then again - apple doesn't really use fast frame updates |
| 00:08:23 | davidc__ | and part of the problem is the LCD itself - its a smart LCD - and all the PP seems to do is pass commands to it |
| 00:08:28 | Bagder | preglow: yeah, as we all have endless amounts of time to spend on that ;-) |
| 00:08:39 | Bagder | I did bounce and that was enough for me |
| 00:08:41 | preglow | exactly! |
| 00:09:10 | amiconn | davidc__: That passing is what goes way slower than it should |
| 00:09:35 | preglow | the bare minimum we need to be able to do a release with a straight face is a plugin with a sinescroller, some shadebobs, a rotozoomer and a rotating torus :) |
| 00:09:36 | amiconn | Dunno, maybe that doesn't hold for the colour models, but for the 4-gray lcd it definitely does |
| 00:09:42 | davidc__ | amiconn: IIRC - we spend most of our time waiting for the done to come back from the lcd - but anyhow |
| 00:10:20 | amiconn | It almost looks like there's another controller between the cpu core and the lcd controller itself |
| 00:10:42 | amiconn | HD66753 should be good for ~10x the speed we get right now |
| 00:10:44 | linuxstb | preglow: plugin? I want those in my WPS. |
| 00:11:02 | davidc__ | amiconn: I don't think we ever figured out what contrller it was using |
| 00:11:07 | davidc__ | [on the lcd] |
| 00:11:09 | preglow | linuxstb: yes, agreed, if i can make room for it besides the the album art and the lyrics |
| 00:11:26 | amiconn | The HD66753 datasheet is a perfect match - all the commands I tried work as they should |
| 00:11:26 | EbErT | scrap album art heh |
| 00:11:36 | amiconn | Even display flip does |
| 00:12:42 | davidc__ | amiconn: hrm.. it'd be interesting to take a LA and look at the turnaround times on the actual wired bus - and compare to the measured cmd->done time on the iPod |
| 00:13:03 | Mikachu | amiconn: would that be for all ipods or only mini2g? |
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| 00:13:33 | amiconn | This 'done' business seems to be pp specific - the renesas controller don't need that, provided you adhere to the timing constraints |
| 00:14:01 | amiconn | But these timing constraints should allow a transfer rate approx. 10x of what we get now |
| 00:14:07 | davidc__ | amiconn: hmm.. haven't looked that closely @ the spec on it |
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| 00:14:28 | davidc__ | I'll take a look at it after I play with video out |
| 00:14:29 | amiconn | Mikachu: It would be at least for all greyscale ipods |
| 00:14:44 | Mikachu | i guess at least i can be happy for you :) |
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| 00:18:34 | EbErT | no skipping whatsoever for 75mhz cpu- i think it is the cpu speed code |
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| 00:21:50 | linuxstb | Oooh... The ffmpeg AAC decoder is one of the projects in Google's summer of code. |
| 00:22:14 | preglow | i want it finished now!!11en |
| 00:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw that. :) |
| 00:22:36 | Mikachu | fixed point? |
| 00:22:43 | preglow | they're planning a fixed point port, yes |
| 00:22:48 | preglow | it's been discussed, at least |
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| 00:23:02 | ccd0 | hello! |
| 00:23:06 | ccd0 | need help :) |
| 00:23:10 | preglow | then ask! |
| 00:23:12 | linuxstb | Don't panic. |
| 00:23:15 | preglow | heh |
| 00:23:23 | ccd0 | im owning an ipod mini 1 g |
| 00:23:37 | ccd0 | on half hour ago i installed rockbox |
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| 00:23:43 | ccd0 | it worked all fine |
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| 00:23:48 | ccd0 | but i have a lil bugs:) |
| 00:24:08 | ccd0 | so when i restart the ipod it mostly loads only to the rockbox screen |
| 00:24:20 | ccd0 | hehe nono no panic:) |
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| 00:24:51 | ccd0 | than i have to restart again pressing ffwd then mostly works |
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| 00:26:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It freezes at the Rockbox logo screen? |
| 00:26:09 | ccd0 | yes |
| 00:26:37 | ccd0 | but when i hold ffwd during restart it doesnt freeze (mostly) |
| 00:26:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd |
| 00:26:50 | linuxstb | Have you enabled tagcache and/or the directory cache? |
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| 00:27:45 | linuxstb | (if you don't know what they are, I'm guessing you haven't enabled them...) |
| 00:28:14 | ccd0 | yep i think so:) one moment please |
| 00:28:17 | petur | bah... the 24c02 doesn't like our ACK |
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| 00:29:37 | ccd0 | oke im doing |
| 00:30:13 | ccd0 | frozen |
| 00:30:22 | _Lucretia_ | anyone got an xclef mt-500 here? |
| 00:30:32 | _Lucretia_ | having trouble with the thing not booting with a particular sd card |
| 00:31:02 | _Lucretia_ | only started doing this after I copied some files to the card via the xclef and *I think* I unmounted without doing a sync |
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| 00:33:32 | ccd0 | freeze again while "updating in background" |
| 00:33:45 | Bagder | _Lucretia_: this is #rockbox |
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| 00:34:07 | Bagder | not #general-mp3-player-support |
| 00:34:51 | _Lucretia_ | yeah i know |
| 00:35:02 | _Lucretia_ | I also know that I started the mt-500 support |
| 00:35:08 | _Lucretia_ | and david continued |
| 00:35:21 | Bagder | the mt-500 support? |
| 00:35:23 | _Lucretia_ | and i also know that others here have got one |
| 00:35:28 | _Lucretia_ | of rockbox |
| 00:35:32 | _Lucretia_ | well the disassembly |
| 00:36:42 | Bagder | ah, right, calmrisc hell |
| 00:37:17 | ccd0 | my ipod always freeze if i try to "force tag cache update" |
| 00:37:56 | ccd0 | theres any chance that completly rebuild the bootloader and software helps? |
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| 00:40:57 | davidc__ | OK, I have proof that our [ipodlinux'es] users are stupider than yours: "DJDutrow>i know ipod can run linux and all, but can it run windows?" |
| 00:41:12 | petur | rotfl |
| 00:41:25 | Bagder | hahahaaaaa |
| 00:41:34 | Bagder | it hurts |
| 00:41:36 | davidc__ | and then he gets all testy for mocking him |
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| 00:46:02 | linuxstb | ccd0: No, the bootloader won't make any difference. It sounds like a bug in tagcache, so hopefully that will be fixed in newer versions of Rockbox. What kind of music files do you have on your ipod? |
| 00:47:48 | ccd0 | @ linuxstb: just mp3 files most 320kb but it alos freeze with 128kb files, but at the moment i can "force tag cache update" didnt freeze i hope the best:) |
| 00:48:09 | EbErT | if you get music files from various places, there are many ways to have messed up id3 tags |
| 00:48:32 | ccd0 | no they self ripoped frpm cd with ID3 V1 and V2 |
| 00:48:46 | EbErT | for example: i use an app that saves radio streams to files and creates id3 tags for them |
| 00:48:58 | ccd0 | oke |
| 00:48:58 | EbErT | every one of those had a problem |
| 00:49:04 | ccd0 | Oo |
| 00:49:42 | EbErT | use an app that goes through all your tags and can categorize them by the id3 tags |
| 00:49:54 | ccd0 | i never belive that just the ID tag makes such problems? |
| 00:49:58 | linuxstb | EbErT: Are they MP3 files? Do you mean Rockbox has problems with them, or other players? |
| 00:50:26 | EbErT | i did that, and found SOME of the ones it couldn't handle. the ones it couldn't it wouldn't process and i deleted |
| 00:50:36 | EbErT | yes, all mp3 the ones i searched through |
| 00:50:46 | EbErT | rockbox only has the problem |
| 00:51:04 | EbErT | it could be the aac files' id3 tags, didn't look into those |
| 00:51:15 | linuxstb | Was the problem just with tagcache, or did you also have problems if you tried to play it from the file browser? |
| 00:51:24 | EbErT | only tag cache |
| 00:52:36 | EbErT | all i have is aac files and mp3 |
| 00:53:42 | linuxstb | Did tagcache crash, or just fail to find the tags? |
| 00:55:22 | EbErT | it starts to find them, then freezes everything |
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| 00:55:39 | ccd0 | how long does it takes fpr update tag cache? and do i get an note when finished? |
| 00:56:01 | EbErT | but i have to say, in just play mode, putting cpu to 75mhz stops all the load problems and haven't had a freeze yet |
| 00:56:17 | EbErT | u sure the guy who wrote the cpu commands didn't mess up? |
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| 00:57:10 | linuxstb | Given that we have no hardware documentation, we can't say anything for sure. But the CPU boosting has been enabled for a lot longer than these problems have been reported. |
| 00:57:57 | EbErT | ah |
| 00:58:09 | EbErT | any more questions about my tag cache probs? |
| 00:58:27 | ccd0 | mhm the ipod restarts then an note with tag files 10/10 but when i try to play music it still freeze |
| 00:59:02 | linuxstb | EbErT: You confused me by mentioning the CPU boosting - is that related to your tagcache problem? Or did you solve the tagcache problem by just removing the bad files? |
| 00:59:10 | * | petur browses his h3x0 eeprom |
| 00:59:36 | EbErT | no, removing the bad files made the cache go longer before crashing |
| 00:59:49 | EbErT | but still not fixed. and the cpu boost is unrelated to it |
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| 01:00:12 | linuxstb | Maybe you still have some more bad files? |
| 01:00:12 | amiconn | petur: What was the problem with our ACK? |
| 01:00:25 | EbErT | guess so. don't know how to find them tho |
| 01:00:59 | petur | amiconn: don't know, I just don't get page reading working so I use single byte reading atm :( |
| 01:01:02 | linuxstb | OK. It seems that a log would be very useful in tagcache for finding these problem files - and then hopefully fixing Rockbox to deal with them. |
| 01:01:06 | EbErT | that's why the cache should be able to check them first and skip problem ones, then create a list of the ones that weren't handled |
| 01:01:33 | EbErT | yes. and u already put that in the suggestions as i recall linuxstb |
| 01:01:49 | EbErT | VERY useful :) |
| 01:03:35 | ccd0 | does it makes problem when the original ipod stuff is in the player? |
| 01:03:44 | EbErT | i'd put it at high priority linuxstb |
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| 01:05:48 | earHertz | If I don't want to compile a plugin into my build, what do I have to do to remove it? |
| 01:06:07 | linuxstb | Edit apps/plugins/SOURCES (or apps/plugins/SUBDIRS for the multi-file ones) |
| 01:06:35 | earHertz | thanks |
| 01:07:03 | petur | amiconn: should I check this code in (it's under the debug menu)? I've put the eeprom access code in the pcf50606 files as it uses its functions |
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| 01:13:37 | petur | bah... it's not ok yet |
| 01:14:12 | earHertz | are there any special issues with profiling on th eipod? |
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| 01:14:38 | ccd0 | okay |
| 01:14:43 | ccd0 | thx 4 help.. |
| 01:15:14 | ccd0 | i cpoied the oldest daily build in my ipod and no it works al fine -.- |
| 01:15:42 | ccd0 | no freeze and plays all titles. |
| 01:16:15 | Bagder | and now, binary search to the one that introduced the problem! ;-) |
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| 01:20:27 | earHertz | Ok, what do I need to do to set up profiling? I've gotten a profile.ourt, but the only data seems to be memory addresses. No time data |
| 01:22:41 | ccd0 | have to sleep gn8 all |
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| 01:28:20 | Infirit | Hello, i'm trying to build rockbox on gentoo but get an error |
| 01:28:25 | Infirit | /usr/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/4.0.3/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: region PLUGIN_IRAM is full (/home/sander/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build_dir/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .ibss) |
| 01:28:44 | Infirit | Is my cross compiler broken? |
| 01:28:45 | Bagder | don't use 4.0.3 for m68k |
| 01:29:02 | Bagder | as said in the wiki, we recommend 3.4.x for that |
| 01:29:20 | Infirit | Ah, ok that explains it. |
| 01:29:50 | * | Bagder goes to bed |
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| 01:29:55 | Infirit | Problem is that i cant get any of the 3.4.x gcc build with crossdev |
| 01:30:08 | Bagder | try my build script |
| 01:30:12 | Bagder | in the tools dir of rockbox |
| 01:30:28 | Infirit | Thanks, will try that :) |
| 01:30:44 | Bagder | rockboxdev.sh |
| 01:31:17 | Bagder | it hasn't been used much yet, so it might not be 100% working |
| 01:31:25 | earHertz | when frofileing, I have to maunaully add profile opts to the CCFLAGS for the compiltaion units I want to profile, yes? |
| 01:31:44 | Infirit | I will try it and see how far i get with it |
| 01:31:53 | earHertz | er, profiling |
| 01:33:07 | linuxstb | earHertz: I'm not sure about the details, but I know that the parser to process the profiling output doesn't work with the ipod's output. No-one has adapted it yet. |
| 01:33:28 | earHertz | linuxstb: But I can't even get the output |
| 01:34:08 | earHertz | If I don't manunally edit the makefile, I get a profile.out with no data |
| 01:34:36 | earHertz | if I manually edit the makefile, I get an unsatified link error, looking for __cyg_profile_func_enter and __cyg_profile_func_exit |
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| 01:36:02 | Zendefera | woohoo, I finally got my shit together, and built my own copy of rockbox. and wierd, it runs much faster than that that I downloaded yesterday. |
| 01:36:30 | earHertz | I assume that if profiling works for otehr platforms, these funcs are defined somewhere in rockbox? |
| 01:36:41 | linuxstb | earHertz: Sorry, I can't help with profiling. |
| 01:36:52 | earHertz | no problem |
| 01:37:08 | earHertz | any odea who can? ;) |
| 01:37:11 | earHertz | idea |
| 01:37:33 | linuxstb | lostlogic wrote it. I'm not sure who else (if anyone) has used it. |
| 01:37:39 | preglow | i have |
| 01:37:57 | preglow | and i never did any more than just use configure |
| 01:38:04 | preglow | profiling doesn't work on ipod yet anyway |
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| 01:38:27 | linuxstb | earHertz: What are you profiling? A plugin or part of core Rockbox? |
| 01:39:03 | earHertz | core, teh list.c button handling |
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| 01:39:45 | earHertz | ipod can add scrolls faster than list.c can scroll the list |
| 01:40:07 | earHertz | I want to find out where the bottle-neck is |
| 01:40:08 | linuxstb | Which ipod are you using? |
| 01:40:33 | earHertz | video |
| 01:40:36 | Mikachu | the real solution is of course to scroll directly to the end spot instead of redrawing 5 times if there are 5 events in the queue |
| 01:40:59 | linuxstb | earHertz: Then I would guess the LCD is the main bottleneck. The solution would be to perform less LCD updates. |
| 01:41:07 | earHertz | Mikachu: yeah, although I'd prefer the user sees the highlight bar move "naturally" rather than jumping |
| 01:41:27 | earHertz | linuxstb: probbaly, although I also wionder about the list data callback |
| 01:41:30 | Mikachu | even apple os jumps when you scroll quickly |
| 01:41:52 | earHertz | Mikachu: yeah, I've written a couple of version sof accelerated scroll |
| 01:41:53 | Mikachu | but i think lostlogic has all of this figured out already |
| 01:42:13 | earHertz | Mikachu: how so? |
| 01:42:15 | * | linuxstb goes to bed |
| 01:42:22 | Mikachu | i don't know, it's just an impression i have |
| 01:42:56 | earHertz | linuxstb: could we preform a scroll by reading teh lcd memory, and copying everying up one line? |
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| 01:43:59 | Mikachu | sure, if you want the backdrop to move |
| 01:44:09 | earHertz | good point |
| 01:44:21 | earHertz | (I've never used a backdrop) |
| 01:45:01 | Mikachu | i think the underlying issue is both the lcd driver and the button driver for ipods suck right now |
| 01:45:49 | earHertz | how's the button driver suck? |
| 01:47:40 | XavierGr | is there any "yield" solution that will prevent audio skipping on H300 and H100 too? |
| 01:48:05 | XavierGr | I mean the button driver should let the codec thread "breathe" a little instead of stealling all CPU action. |
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| 01:49:50 | earHertz | XavierGr: on teh ipod, dfor scrolling (haven't tested with playback on) boost_cpu helps when teh button thread finds the button_queue not empty |
| 01:49:56 | Bagder | there, rockboxdev.sh should now work for all archs |
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| 01:53:48 | XavierGr | on my few tests on iriver targets, I see that when the user fast scrolls for some time (2 seconds or more) playback stops until the user let off the buttons |
| 01:54:40 | XavierGr | That must be that scrolling algorithm doesn't yield enough for other threads to run realtime. |
| 01:55:11 | earHertz | the scrolling thread only yeilds after it does a redraw |
| 01:55:34 | amiconn | Yeah, the redraw takes too long |
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| 01:56:34 | amiconn | Mono bitmap drawing on 16bit targets is still rather slow |
| 01:56:36 | earHertz | amiconn: any actual numbers on how long it takes? |
| 01:57:42 | amiconn | The other slow part is the data transfer to the lcd controller |
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| 01:58:53 | * | amiconn points to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 01:59:18 | amiconn | Only 5.6MByte/s for ipod video... |
| 01:59:58 | amiconn | ...and the partial updates suck even more |
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| 02:01:06 | amiconn | On almost all targets, the 1/4 lcd update gives almost 4x more fps (as I'd expect), just not on ipod video |
| 02:02:58 | earHertz | ok, I've got eaw profile data for the ipod |
| 02:03:00 | earHertz | raw |
| 02:03:45 | amiconn | s/4x more/4x as much/ |
| 02:04:47 | Mikachu | or 3x more :) |
| 02:05:21 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:08:20 | preglow | earHertz: now make that perl parser!!! |
| 02:08:34 | preglow | i've got it on my todo list, but go ahead, feel free |
| 02:08:43 | preglow | no hard feelings if you do it first |
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| 02:09:47 | * | Mikachu is listening to Eagles - Peaceful Easy Feeling (0:02 / 4:17) |
| 02:10:46 | earHertz | preglow: I can do C, C++, and java. Perl makes my head hurt |
| 02:11:24 | preglow | perl is sweet |
| 02:13:23 | earHertz | each to his own |
| 02:13:45 | earHertz | preglow: where do I find the addresses profile.out record? in riockbox.map? |
| 02:14:00 | dwihno | anyone good with electronics, currents and such? |
| 02:14:19 | dwihno | I just wonder how long a 12v car battery would be able to feed 1000 watt :) |
| 02:14:44 | Mikachu | depends on how much energy is stored in it |
| 02:14:52 | dwihno | fully charged? :) |
| 02:14:57 | Mikachu | this is typically measured in ampere hours |
| 02:15:00 | dwihno | ah |
| 02:15:09 | dwihno | don't know about that. |
| 02:15:15 | dwihno | I'm just thinking about crazy ideas |
| 02:15:35 | Mikachu | but my hunch is: not very long |
| 02:15:56 | Mikachu | 3-4 minutes tops |
| 02:16:14 | dwihno | I see a 70 amp battery |
| 02:16:28 | dwihno | 3-4 still? |
| 02:17:31 | sharpe | car batteries are made for high current-draw over a short period of time, such as, for starting a car. they're not made for powering things... |
| 02:17:40 | Mikachu | i'm not 100% sure about this calculation, but |
| 02:17:44 | Mikachu | You have: 70 ampere hours * 12 volts / 1 kilo watt |
| 02:17:45 | sharpe | at least, directly. |
| 02:17:47 | Mikachu | You want: hours |
| 02:17:47 | Mikachu | * 0.84 |
| 02:18:19 | Mikachu | when the units add up, it's usually right :) |
| 02:18:40 | dwihno | 0.84 hours then? |
| 02:18:53 | Mikachu | or 50 minutes |
| 02:18:58 | Mikachu | but no guarantees |
| 02:19:27 | amiconn | Don't forget that the effective capacity decreases when load increases |
| 02:20:15 | dwihno | ah |
| 02:20:26 | amiconn | ..and with such high loads, self-heating of the battery becomes a problem |
| 02:20:41 | Mikachu | yeah, that's an absolute maximum probably |
| 02:21:31 | dwihno | so my idea is probably bound to fail? |
| 02:21:46 | Mikachu | if it involves drawing 1000 watts from a car battery, yeah |
| 02:22:04 | dwihno | how about 600 watts then? |
| 02:22:44 | Mikachu | by the same formula i get 84 minutes |
| 02:23:22 | dwihno | I was more like, thinking of the heat issue |
| 02:23:45 | Mikachu | ah |
| 02:23:54 | Mikachu | i am not an expert on car batteries |
| 02:24:05 | Mikachu | i have my final on basic electronics next week :) |
| 02:25:21 | dwihno | :) |
| 02:26:07 | dwihno | Then it's a good idea I keep asking these questions ;) |
| 02:26:27 | Mikachu | someone with a clue might show up |
| 02:28:14 | dwihno | The idea is powering a 2x300 light rig using a car battery |
| 02:36:39 | preglow | you won't be doing that for long |
| 02:36:58 | dwihno | An hour per battery is sufficient |
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| 02:37:46 | Mikachu | so your idea is to blow people's car batteries? |
| 02:38:41 | dwihno | they will explode? |
| 02:38:51 | sharpe | that's... a nice waste of money? |
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| 02:41:10 | Infirit | I have been trying to get a working cross compiler for ages on gentoo but it always fails with: |
| 02:41:21 | Infirit | ../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c: In function `__fixdfdi': |
| 02:41:28 | Infirit | ../../gcc-3.4.6/gcc/libgcc2.c:1277: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at combine.c:447 |
| 02:41:42 | Infirit | Does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 02:42:25 | sharpe | correctly? |
| 02:43:11 | Infirit | Well, if i can get rockbox to build i am happy :) |
| 02:43:29 | sharpe | heh, then i'm not the one to help you. |
| 02:43:31 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:45:33 | Infirit | If gcc 4.0.3 was supported for m68k i would use that. But it fails to build rockbox on an IRAM-something |
| 02:45:59 | Infirit | Would 5 |
| 02:46:25 | Infirit | Ignore that, sorry. Would 4.1 work for m68k? |
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| 02:51:40 | Infirit | Ok, just looked at the wiki and it does not. |
| 02:53:19 | Mikachu | internal compiler error means the compiler crashed, you're not using a gcc compiled with crazy cflags are you? |
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| 02:55:15 | Infirit | I just follow the wiki on how to make a cross compiler. |
| 02:55:21 | Infirit | echo $CFLAGS does not give anything |
| 02:55:38 | Mikachu | grep CFLAGS /etc/make.conf |
| 02:56:06 | Mikachu | only looking for lines not starting with # |
| 02:56:18 | Infirit | CFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" But i am not using crossdev |
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| 02:57:16 | Mikachu | that should be fine |
| 02:58:12 | preglow | Infirit: don't use 4.1 for m68k |
| 02:59:59 | Infirit | preglow, I won't i forgot to check the wiki before asking |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:40 | JdGordon | Infirit: i just came in.. but if your making the cross compiler, just run the new script thats in the tools folder |
| 03:00:52 | JdGordon | rockboxdev.sh |
| 03:01:26 | Infirit | Tried that, fails at the exact same point :( |
| 03:01:35 | JdGordon | oh ok |
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| 03:12:00 | Infirit | Anyway, thanks for taking a look :) |
| 03:12:37 | Mikachu | what gcc are you using to compile it? |
| 03:13:28 | Infirit | gcc version 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9) |
| 03:14:18 | Mikachu | nothing suspicous there either |
| 03:14:53 | Infirit | It is realy strange and most likely something in gentoo screwing it up |
| 03:15:06 | Infirit | Could it be that i am on amd64? |
| 03:15:31 | Mikachu | quite possibly |
| 03:15:38 | Mikachu | i heard something about that being troublesome before |
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| 03:16:14 | Infirit | I'll setup a 32bit chroot to see if that solve the problem. |
| 03:17:01 | Infirit | If not qemu and ubuntu/fedora will have to come to the rescue :) |
| 03:17:17 | Infirit | Thanks for trying though :) |
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| 03:18:01 | Mikachu | are you saying i failed? |
| 03:18:07 | Mikachu | :) |
| 03:19:40 | Infirit | Nah, I failed as nobody seems to have this problem :) |
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| 03:30:27 | sharpe | i'm... blah... |
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| 03:42:11 | {edf}ss | I'm back, anyone around? |
| 03:42:29 | sharpe | meh... |
| 03:42:53 | {edf}ss | I have a question maybe you can help me with... |
| 03:43:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:43:17 | {edf}ss | I have an iPod nano, and if I navigate to a directory, I can hold down the middle button, and add that entire dir to the playlist |
| 03:43:20 | {edf}ss | that works great |
| 03:43:32 | sharpe | mmhmm... |
| 03:43:36 | {edf}ss | then, while it's playing that, I hold down the middle button again and navigate to save the playlist |
| 03:43:47 | {edf}ss | I can enter the name of the playlist - but how do I actually SAVE it?! |
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| 03:43:59 | sharpe | hold down the select button for a second or two |
| 03:44:07 | {EDF}SS | select is the middle button? |
| 03:44:09 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:44:24 | Mikachu | it could have better feedback on when to let go |
| 03:44:28 | {EDF}SS | alright let's try this again.... |
| 03:46:30 | {EDF}SS | ok I held down select, it flashed something really quickly on the screen then was done, but there's no playlist saved |
| 03:47:16 | sharpe | are you in a folder currently? |
| 03:47:52 | sharpe | try navigating to the root directory of your ipod. |
| 03:48:05 | {EDF}SS | I looked in root, in my music dir, in the artist's dir, no playlists |
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| 03:48:34 | sharpe | what'd you save it as? |
| 03:48:38 | {EDF}SS | do I need to enter the extension? |
| 03:48:59 | sharpe | yes |
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| 03:49:17 | {EDF}SS | well that's pretty dumb, that should be fixed |
| 03:49:22 | sharpe | :) |
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| 03:49:49 | {EDF}SS | not like I'm going to try to create a text file from the playlist-creation dialog |
| 03:50:27 | sharpe | you can just scroll the cursor to skip over the extension... |
| 03:51:11 | {EDF}SS | it's much easier to hit select a whole bunch til the default filename is deleted |
| 03:51:46 | {EDF}SS | and regardless of what you can/should do, my point's still valid |
| 03:52:30 | sharpe | meh, doesn't affect me. |
| 03:53:08 | {EDF}SS | how do you delete the current playlist? |
| 03:53:23 | sharpe | i mean, pressing left four times to skip over the extension doesn't take much time to me. |
| 03:53:36 | {EDF}SS | [21:56] <{EDF}SS> and regardless of what you can/should do, my point's still valid |
| 03:55:29 | sharpe | meh. |
| 03:55:45 | Infirit | {EDF}SS, .m3u is a text file. Rockbox just does not recognize it as a playlist if there is not extension |
| 03:55:58 | {EDF}SS | sharpe you're not a developer of rockbox, are you |
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| 03:56:03 | Infirit | The same goes for audio files |
| 03:56:15 | sharpe | {EDF}SS: take a wild guess. |
| 03:56:25 | {EDF}SS | Infirit there's no prob with that, but when you're in the save-playlist dialog, it should automatically append the extension |
| 03:56:39 | sharpe | there is more than one playlist format. |
| 03:56:54 | Mikachu | does rockbox detect the ending and use the appropriate one? i'm guessing no |
| 03:57:00 | {EDF}SS | that dialog supports other types? |
| 03:57:09 | {EDF}SS | right, what Mikachu said. |
| 03:57:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 03:57:14 | sharpe | no, there just are different playlist types. |
| 03:57:25 | {EDF}SS | yeah well from that dialog, it should append the extension |
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| 03:57:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's possible that a user wants to name it something specific anyway, for another reason. |
| 03:57:57 | sharpe | well, why don't you create a patch, that changes four letters in a string? |
| 03:58:08 | {EDF}SS | save a non-playlist from the save-playlist dialog? I think not. |
| 03:58:23 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: if that should happen, he could use the rename feature after.. |
| 03:58:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: You should never _have_ to use the rename feature to get a desired filename. |
| 03:59:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe add a default extension button to the VKeyboard somehow, that picks the most likely extension based on what dialogue you're in, and appends it. |
| 03:59:28 | Mikachu | i think i am leaning to the "don't delete the extension in the first place" approach |
| 03:59:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: I think you're missing that it's really the "generic pick a filename" dialogue |
| 03:59:56 | sharpe | i don't see the problem with moving the cursor four charactesr |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:10 | sharpe | excuse me, characters. |
| 04:00:11 | {EDF}SS | whatever you want to call it, it saves a playlist, so why the hell would you want a different extension |
| 04:00:16 | Mikachu | it's the same amount of keypresses as deleting them |
| 04:00:35 | sharpe | {EDF}SS: it's a general keyboard entry dialogue. |
| 04:00:50 | Mikachu | the code that calls the vkeyboard can append the .m3u without any problems |
| 04:01:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that the .m3u should never be done automatically. That's taking away a user's option to name it somehow else. |
| 04:01:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the very most a ".m3u" "key" |
| 04:01:38 | {EDF}SS | does the vkeyboard always start out with default filename dynamic.m3u ? |
| 04:01:48 | Mikachu | only when saving a dynamic playlist |
| 04:01:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: Not when called elsewhere |
| 04:01:59 | Mikachu | if you save a config it will start with configXX.cfg |
| 04:02:14 | Mikachu | and if you edit a text file it will start with what's on the line |
| 04:02:22 | {EDF}SS | well if there's already detection in place for where the vkb is called from, use that same detection to ensure the correct extension is attached! |
| 04:02:38 | Mikachu | the keyboard doesn't need to detect it at all |
| 04:02:42 | Mikachu | the calling code can take care of it |
| 04:02:53 | {EDF}SS | so have the calling code rename the file if necessary |
| 04:03:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: You're making assumptions on the user's behalf though. |
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| 04:03:28 | {EDF}SS | You're damn right I am, nobody's gonna want a playlist with a different extension! |
| 04:03:40 | Mikachu | heh |
| 04:05:04 | sharpe | yeah. you're right. actually taking the time to move the cursor over the extension is so time-consuming. |
| 04:05:11 | {EDF}SS | that's NOT THE POINT! |
| 04:05:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. I can think of a few cases where I might. If I'm in "view supported" then I won't see playlists with no extensions. Which means if I have an idea for a Mix CD, I can create one with a non-m3u extension to keep the list in place, and use for a burner, without it cluttering my screen. |
| 04:05:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should never take an option AWAY from a user in favour of "I don't want to move the cursor" |
| 04:05:50 | {EDF}SS | for those instances which will be SOOOOO few and far between, then a user can use the rename function. |
| 04:06:09 | {EDF}SS | maybe have it as an option |
| 04:06:10 | PaulJam_ | wouldn't it be possible to auromatically set the cursor in front of the extension in a save file dialog? so the user can still save the file with a different extension, but doesn't have to move the cursor first if he just wants to change the filename |
| 04:06:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: As I said, the user shouldn't be _forced_ to save a filename within constraints. Why isn't a single button that auto-appends the appropriate extension, but no forced extension, good enough for you? |
| 04:06:23 | Mikachu | you know what my opinion is? that this really doesn't warrant a big discussion |
| 04:06:27 | {EDF}SS | PaulJam_ 's idea is good too |
| 04:06:44 | sharpe | you'd have to change where the cursor is in the kbd_input() source, but i don't think it would be too hard. |
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| 04:08:19 | sharpe | Mikachu: oh, but it does! someone doesn't want to take the time to bother moving the cursor four spaces, so they rather have the extension appended for them! and yes! i am in a pissy mood. |
| 04:08:30 | {EDF}SS | The point is - when you save a playlist, you have to use the left key to scroll past the extension, then switch to the select key to delete the filename (making sure you don't delete the / at the start) and then finally start entering the filename. It SHOULD be as simple as typing the filename without the extention. Perhaps have a checkbox with "do not append .m3u" |
| 04:09:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: So make a bloody patch. |
| 04:09:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you'd rather it done a very specific way, do it yourself |
| 04:09:50 | * | Infirit sees files with .m3u.m3u and it reminds him of window hiding extension |
| 04:10:10 | {EDF}SS | Infirit at least they'd work, unlike .(blank) |
| 04:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I'm still against it doing anything without being explicitly told to do it. The checkbox should be for "append" not "do not append." |
| 04:10:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | If anything |
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| 04:10:32 | sharpe | yes, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the extension from the buffer passed to kbd_input(), and just append it to the buffer *after* the function is called. |
| 04:11:06 | {EDF}SS | exactly! |
| 04:11:10 | sharpe | then do it. |
| 04:11:20 | {EDF}SS | but detect if the user has entered .m3u so it won't be .m3u.m3u |
| 04:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then DO it. |
| 04:11:40 | {EDF}SS | where is the code? |
| 04:11:44 | sharpe | in cvs. |
| 04:12:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an open source project. There's a tarball at the site, as well as information for accessing the CVS server for download |
| 04:12:16 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 04:12:24 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
| 04:12:32 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 04:13:01 | {EDF}SS | yeah see, that's far too much work for regular joe, even if regular joe knows some coding - but for you who are developing the project, it's a simple suggestion that would benefit all rockbox users, so I'd assume you want it to be done |
| 04:13:03 | Aghaster | Hi |
| 04:13:16 | Aghaster | does anybody know where to find the rockboxdev.sh tool described in the mailing list? |
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| 04:13:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: It wouldn't benefit all users, and it takes freedom away from them. |
| 04:13:53 | Infirit | Aghaster, it is in the tools directory |
| 04:14:07 | Aghaster | in the latest sources, i guess? |
| 04:14:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: If you feel as strongly as you do about it, make a patch. If you don't feel strongly enough to make a patch, then accept if it never shows up. |
| 04:14:23 | {EDF}SS | Paul_The_Nerd it's one thing to support open source, give user choice etc, but you're taking it WAY TOO FAR, illogically so! |
| 04:14:45 | Infirit | Aghaster, yes |
| 04:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: What, by requiring them to type four letters in a situation where they want those four, and none when they don't? |
| 04:15:00 | Aghaster | k |
| 04:15:05 | Aghaster | that might be quite interesting. |
| 04:15:29 | {EDF}SS | Paul_The_Nerd the point is that from a save playlist dialog, there will be 0.00001% of the time that the user does NOT want the .m3u extension |
| 04:15:53 | {EDF}SS | so if the user wants to do that, they can damn well rename the file themself |
| 04:16:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: See, that's intentionally and knowingly forcing your wishes on the user. |
| 04:16:41 | {EDF}SS | boo freakin hoo to those 0.00001% of people |
| 04:17:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: And maybe I think "boo freakin' hoo" to people who can't bother to just type the bloody m3u, or not delete it. |
| 04:17:09 | sharpe | you know what? |
| 04:17:17 | sharpe | why don't we make a bug controversy about it? |
| 04:17:23 | sharpe | er, big. sorry. |
| 04:17:26 | {EDF}SS | as it is, your sole idea of when a user wouldn't want a .m3u extension is really far-fetched anyway |
| 04:17:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | {EDF}SS: I've done it before, so it's not that far fetched |
| 04:18:12 | {EDF}SS | fucking linux nerds :( |
| 04:18:19 | ze | whats rockbox recognize as a playlist? does it not use the .m3u extention to tell? it just take whatever you give it with an unfiltered directory listing? |
| 04:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It uses the .m3u extension to tell. |
| 04:19:00 | sharpe | {EDF}SS: that's not very nice. |
| 04:19:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I'm saying is that a solution should be reached that does not FORCE things upon users. An extension key that appends it or whatever, yeah, sure. |
| 04:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm also saying that if you're not willing to do the work for it, then you should post your feature request, and then drop it. |
| 04:20:58 | sharpe | and it is *not* too much work for the average joe. plenty of people have set up a build enviornment to work with patches, at the least. |
| 04:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's too much for the average joe. But the average joe doesn't replace his MP3 player's firmware with open source code from a bunch of linux nerds. |
| 04:22:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's definitely a high enough percentage of iPod users who've managed to figure it out to say it's not _too_ bad. |
| 04:22:10 | sharpe | :P |
| 04:23:04 | sharpe | why does he assume we all use linux? |
| 04:23:21 | Mikachu | don't we? |
| 04:23:23 | Aghaster | because we all do. |
| 04:23:24 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:23:27 | * | Aghaster is a gentoo user |
| 04:23:53 | * | sharpe doesn't. |
| 04:24:05 | Aghaster | o.O you're a windowsian? |
| 04:24:07 | * | sharpe develops plugins, but doesn't use linux. |
| 04:24:12 | sharpe | yes. |
| 04:24:13 | Infirit | What else is there ;) but it is a huge assumption to make |
| 04:24:40 | Aghaster | meh. hackers usually enjoy linux |
| 04:24:54 | sharpe | meh |
| 04:25:22 | Aghaster | maybe you feel too comfortable on windows to start learning a new OS, i had the same problem when i started |
| 04:25:46 | Mikachu | nobody should feel comfortable in windows |
| 04:26:05 | sharpe | no, it's just really a hardware incompatibility that keeps me from using linux. |
| 04:26:39 | sharpe | and software, really. |
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| 04:26:51 | Aghaster | yeah, well, in my case i'm saving my money for an nvidia card. |
| 04:26:56 | sharpe | far too many games i play that are only for windows. |
| 04:27:05 | Infirit | It all depends on your needs. |
| 04:27:11 | Aghaster | yeah, but you know solutions exist |
| 04:27:14 | Aghaster | to emulate your games |
| 04:27:28 | sharpe | yep. |
| 04:27:33 | Aghaster | someone who really wants can run linux |
| 04:28:01 | sharpe | it doesn't really bother me what operating system i use, nor what anyone else uses. |
| 04:28:17 | Aghaster | of course, i think the same |
| 04:28:23 | Mikachu | it doesn't show :) |
| 04:28:29 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:28:31 | sharpe | :P |
| 04:28:35 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:28:44 | Mikachu | i hide it pretty well too |
| 04:28:49 | Aghaster | I'm simply enthousiast about everything that is open source and free |
| 04:29:03 | sharpe | Aghaster: same goes for me |
| 04:29:06 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 04:29:18 | sharpe | and it's enthusiastic :) |
| 04:29:24 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:29:43 | sharpe | well, i fear i must go everyone. er, at least in thirty minutes. |
| 04:29:48 | Aghaster | k |
| 04:29:52 | Mikachu | i will prepare the mourning tent |
| 04:29:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once ReactOS plays my games, I think I'll be done with windows. |
| 04:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it ever does |
| 04:30:00 | sharpe | heheh |
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| 04:30:06 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: wow linux too mainstream for you? |
| 04:30:09 | Infirit | Well my reason to switch was because off all the spyware and virussus i got |
| 04:30:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: ReactOS is to Windows what Linux was to Unix so long ago. |
| 04:30:23 | sharpe | i don't get any... |
| 04:30:28 | Infirit | And having to contantly update virus scanners etc |
| 04:30:32 | earHertz | is amiconn here? |
| 04:30:36 | sharpe | he was... |
| 04:30:38 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: commercial software that died a slow death? |
| 04:30:49 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: wait i read that backwards :) |
| 04:30:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: No, no, ReactOS fills the Linux role. :) |
| 04:31:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: It's an attempt to be a FOSS windows-compatible environment, which would mean I can use all my old windows games without jumping through WINE hoops |
| 04:31:14 | Mikachu | i should go to bed, it's 4.5am |
| 04:31:16 | | Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 04:31:25 | Aghaster | i switched because i felt i needed to do it |
| 04:31:25 | Mikachu | wouldn't it technically be a wine hoop? |
| 04:31:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
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| 04:32:44 | Aghaster | I need to go, cya guys |
| 04:32:58 | sharpe | goodbye. |
| 04:33:39 | Aghaster | I guess i'll have time to finish my esperanto translation this weekend :P |
| 04:33:42 | Aghaster | its half-finished now |
| 04:34:12 | Infirit | Is there a plan to have multi language manuals? |
| 04:34:22 | JdGordon | doubt it.. |
| 04:34:26 | Infirit | I am willing to start a Dutch translation |
| 04:34:40 | sharpe | go for it... |
| 04:35:57 | Infirit | I will but it would be great to see it updated like the lang files |
| 04:37:38 | midkay | it'd only be updated like the lang files if you were willing to write updates like the lang files.. |
| 04:37:45 | sharpe | midkay! |
| 04:37:48 | earHertz | midkay: !! |
| 04:37:49 | midkay | they aren't something that just occur naturally, people must write them. :) |
| 04:37:54 | midkay | sharpe! earHertz!!! |
| 04:37:54 | midkay | :D |
| 04:37:58 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 04:38:07 | Infirit | Yeah, true |
| 04:38:13 | earHertz | hey midkay did you write teh ipod video lcd source? |
| 04:38:19 | sharpe | i've not played factions for a while, been in some bad moods. |
| 04:38:26 | midkay | earHertz, ha..ha..? |
| 04:38:27 | midkay | :) |
| 04:38:29 | Infirit | But there are always people who want to contunue other peoples work |
| 04:38:32 | midkay | sharpe, ah.. |
| 04:38:40 | midkay | Infirit, just as your work'd be continued if you started it, sure. |
| 04:38:42 | Infirit | So if it has a begin... |
| 04:38:53 | midkay | sharpe, i'm getting pretty far pretty quick.. |
| 04:38:56 | sharpe | i'm going to try to finish the SIDE port tomorrow... |
| 04:39:02 | sharpe | what level? |
| 04:39:09 | midkay | almost 20 by now. |
| 04:39:12 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 04:39:17 | sharpe | farther than me. |
| 04:39:32 | midkay | played it for 8 hours straight after school yesterday.. |
| 04:39:41 | midkay | lit. home -> factions -> sleep.. |
| 04:39:42 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:40:06 | sharpe | i'll probably try to play it some this weekend. |
| 04:40:24 | midkay | cool, maybe we can hook up.. |
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| 04:40:44 | sharpe | so wrong on so many levels. |
| 04:41:07 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:41:19 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:41:27 | midkay | i regretted it after hitting enter. |
| 04:41:29 | midkay | even a bit before. :) |
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| 04:41:46 | sharpe | hah. |
| 04:42:02 | sharpe | well, i'm going to get going. i've got to finish this work for class tomorrow. |
| 04:42:17 | sharpe | then i'll try to fix that problem in the SIDE port's cpu emulation. |
| 04:42:21 | sharpe | the release the patch. |
| 04:42:27 | sharpe | then play factions. |
| 04:42:35 | midkay | haha. cool. alright. |
| 04:42:40 | sharpe | later everyone! |
| 04:42:46 | midkay | laters :) |
| 04:46:01 | daurnimator | omg |
| 04:46:06 | daurnimator | midkay: is alive |
| 04:46:06 | daurnimator | :P |
| 04:46:19 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:46:20 | midkay | only in here. |
| 04:46:22 | midkay | :) |
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| 04:57:10 | Novus | anybody here? |
| 04:57:30 | Novus | when i plug in my ipod it says removable disk e: has to be formated |
| 04:58:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | And? This is after what? |
| 04:59:14 | Novus | when i plug my ipod in my via usb |
| 04:59:18 | Novus | ive never got this before |
| 04:59:40 | Mikachu | it's obviously when you plug it in, but did you do anything special to it? |
| 04:59:46 | Novus | no |
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| 05:00:18 | Novus | i mean i have rockbox installed but that shouldnt matter |
| 05:01:40 | Novus | usually it comes up the name of ipod, not removable disk e: |
| 05:02:00 | {EDF}SS | sounds like the partition got b0rked |
| 05:02:55 | Novus | shat, anybody kno how to fix it? |
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| 05:03:23 | {EDF}SS | how large is your player? |
| 05:03:37 | Novus | ipod nano 4g |
| 05:03:49 | {EDF}SS | probably not worth the bother |
| 05:04:09 | Novus | .. |
| 05:04:14 | Novus | to fix it? |
| 05:04:34 | {EDF}SS | depending on what the problem actually is.....yeah |
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| 05:05:02 | Novus | i was thinking mabye cos i have older version of rockbox.. |
| 05:05:09 | kfarrell | Gday, I'm sorry but I'm a little confused.Can RockBox be run on a Gigabeat X30? |
| 05:05:21 | Mikachu | not yet |
| 05:05:25 | {EDF}SS | Novus if windows can't read the drive, it's nothing to do with the software onit |
| 05:05:31 | Mikachu | i don't know what models are being worked on |
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| 05:06:02 | Novus | so its my computer, not my nano? |
| 05:06:26 | {EDF}SS | no, it's the hard drive on your nano, the way it's formatted/partitioned |
| 05:06:30 | {EDF}SS | (probably) |
| 05:06:50 | {EDF}SS | I recovered a 300gb disk using these tools, but I doubt it's worth it for a 4gb one: |
| 05:06:51 | kfarrell | ty Mikachu |
| 05:06:51 | {EDF}SS | http://www.partitionsupport.com/ |
| 05:07:20 | Novus | so if just format, it will be good? |
| 05:07:33 | {EDF}SS | all your data will be gone, but it will work again (probably) |
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| 05:18:09 | earHertz | midkay: what's sizeof( short) on teh ipod? |
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| 05:19:24 | midkay | earHertz, i dunno.. :E:E |
| 05:20:03 | midkay | what are you doing with the LCD code?! |
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| 05:20:31 | earHertz | replaceing a loop with Duff's device |
| 05:21:07 | earHertz | you ever seen Duff's Device? |
| 05:21:29 | midkay | no? |
| 05:21:47 | earHertz | Google it. It'll blow your mind |
| 05:22:12 | midkay | wtf. |
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| 05:23:46 | midkay | how weird. |
| 05:24:00 | earHertz | sweetm, huh? |
| 05:24:21 | earHertz | and competely leagal. the stanfdards committe agree, and so does dmr |
| 05:24:41 | midkay | indeed! |
| 05:26:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird. |
| 05:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also weird is this commercial about text-messaging phones that advertises it as a way to communicate with mimes. |
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| 05:29:50 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:31:12 | {EDF}SS | lol wtf |
| 05:32:12 | earHertz | I hate miomes |
| 05:32:14 | earHertz | mimes |
| 05:32:16 | Mikachu | earHertz: aren't writes to the lcd register timing constrained anyway? |
| 05:33:48 | earHertz | it appears so |
| 05:34:49 | earHertz | bbut there's no timing check WITHIN the loop |
| 05:34:57 | earHertz | just priior to the block containig it |
| 05:35:21 | Mikachu | hm, i guess there is a remote possibility it will help then |
| 05:38:27 | Mikachu | i think it looks like it does wait after every copy |
| 05:38:49 | Mikachu | are we looking at color ipods? |
| 05:40:17 | earHertz | I am |
| 05:40:24 | earHertz | well, at teh video |
| 05:40:27 | Mikachu | ah |
| 05:40:37 | Mikachu | different story then i guess |
| 05:40:45 | earHertz | prob'ly |
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| 06:00:09 | earHertz | how do I get teh system time? |
| 06:00:22 | earHertz | er, the ticks |
| 06:00:53 | JdGordon | current_tick |
| 06:02:44 | earHertz | it's global? |
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| 06:03:13 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 06:04:00 | JdGordon | earHertz: yup |
| 06:04:12 | earHertz | thanks |
| 06:04:32 | Falco98 | JdGordon: did you notice they broke the patch when they changed the playlist code the other day? |
| 06:05:32 | Falco98 | it doesn't even compile now |
| 06:05:56 | Falco98 | (i just tried your last version of the patch with source i had from 5-22.... when it worked with source from 5-19) |
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| 06:21:01 | Falco98 | JdGordon: u around? |
| 06:23:23 | JdGordon | hey |
| 06:23:27 | JdGordon | ye i saw the comments |
| 06:23:57 | Falco98 | yeah |
| 06:24:01 | Falco98 | have you tried to compile? |
| 06:24:04 | JdGordon | nope |
| 06:24:07 | JdGordon | no time today |
| 06:24:08 | Falco98 | it's not a simple misalignment error |
| 06:24:15 | JdGordon | i dont see a point fixing it till next week |
| 06:24:19 | Falco98 | someone has done fundamental change to playlist.c |
| 06:24:35 | Falco98 | yeah, that's fine, i don't mind, i just wanted to make sure you know the scope of the problem |
| 06:25:15 | Falco98 | but when you try to compile it as it is now, it complains that several of the variables are undeclared etc (the ones you use in the CASE part which are used other places in the function) |
| 06:25:40 | Falco98 | so i think hardeep may have messed with the way things work just in general (or hopefully just renamed some variables) |
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| 06:26:08 | JdGordon | ok, i dunno... iv got stuff to do now, but ill have a look later today or after the w/e |
| 06:27:49 | Falco98 | no prob.. like i said, just wanted to make sure you know ;-) |
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| 06:34:44 | earHertz | how many ticks per second? |
| 06:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | hz |
| 06:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or is it HZ? |
| 06:36:42 | earHertz | where's it defined? |
| 06:36:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | No clue |
| 06:37:02 | earHertz | thanks |
| 06:37:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's HZ |
| 06:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If something takes ticks, and you pass it HZ, it's one second's worth if I recall |
| 06:40:20 | earHertz | yah |
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| 06:44:41 | earHertz | ok, HZ = 100 |
| 06:45:43 | earHertz | my mod seems to save about 0.1 ticks per call to the lcd update, or one millisecond per lcd update |
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| 07:09:55 | midkay | hahaha, earHertz :) |
| 07:10:10 | * | midkay howls with laughter |
| 07:10:18 | earHertz | what? |
| 07:10:25 | midkay | your last message. |
| 07:11:43 | earHertz | a millisecond is not insignificant |
| 07:12:23 | midkay | i was joking. |
| 07:12:32 | earHertz | besides, tahts' on average; some savingsd are as high as three milliseconds |
| 07:12:43 | midkay | :o |
| 07:12:55 | midkay | you should try test_fps. |
| 07:13:13 | midkay | wonder if the speed changed, however slight.. |
| 07:14:02 | earHertz | where's that |
| 07:14:27 | midkay | need to add it to plugins/SOURCES and compile it yourself |
| 07:14:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an optional plugin, you have to change sources to include it |
| 07:14:53 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 07:14:55 | earHertz | ok, how do i do that |
| 07:14:57 | earHertz | ? |
| 07:15:33 | midkay | just add it to the top of apps/plugins/SOURCES (add a new line "test_fps.c") |
| 07:15:44 | midkay | recompile, and copy it over from builddir/apps/plugins/test_fps.rock |
| 07:16:04 | midkay | then just run it (with CPU boosted to 75mhz) and see what a full update is reported as. |
| 07:16:19 | midkay | 36.5fps on my 5G as of 1.5 months ago. |
| 07:17:34 | earHertz | copy it where? |
| 07:17:44 | midkay | wherever? to your iPod.. |
| 07:17:59 | midkay | /.rockbox/rocks as a plugin for the browse plugins menu, or in the root, wherever you wish to run it :) |
| 07:18:01 | earHertz | what dir |
| 07:18:13 | midkay | plugins can be executed from anywhere.. |
| 07:18:24 | * | earHertz strangles midkay |
| 07:18:28 | midkay | :) |
| 07:18:39 | midkay | you should know this! :) |
| 07:18:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Boosted or no? |
| 07:19:00 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, that was boosted, and as such i asked earHertz to boost his before running it.. |
| 07:19:18 | earHertz | gah. does it seem to take forever for teh pc to figure out the ipod's been plugged in? |
| 07:19:32 | midkay | earHertz, in disk mode, maybe 10-15s max for me.. |
| 07:19:36 | ze | midkay: so i ended up buying a used karma on ebay :p |
| 07:19:38 | midkay | might want to reconnect it.. |
| 07:19:40 | midkay | or if the VM window was open. |
| 07:19:47 | midkay | minimize and reconnect. or it steals focus. |
| 07:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Ah, didn't see that. |
| 07:19:51 | ze | midkay: did you know you can buy a 1 year warranty on new/used/refurb electronics sold on ebay? |
| 07:19:56 | midkay | ze, what a ******* loser. :) |
| 07:20:02 | ze | warranty/service plan |
| 07:20:03 | ze | heh |
| 07:20:04 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, :) |
| 07:20:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: My _remote's_ screen is 60.5 boosted |
| 07:20:36 | midkay | for what model? |
| 07:20:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | h120 |
| 07:20:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 07:20:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Main screen's 850 boosted |
| 07:20:58 | midkay | remotes are quite fast, since their LCDs are small+monochrome. :) |
| 07:21:00 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:21:02 | ze | midkay: hopefully it'll last untill what was to be the chroma reaches some actual manifestation thats worthy of its would-be glory |
| 07:21:05 | midkay | lucky bastards. |
| 07:21:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | 850 is a lost faster than 60.5. :-P |
| 07:21:18 | midkay | ze, um, you know it's not coming out, right? |
| 07:21:33 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, again, you are a lucky bastard. :) |
| 07:21:53 | ze | midkay: what was to be it still exists as a sigmatel kit for companies to make a player out of |
| 07:21:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The iPod Nano gets 200.5 |
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| 07:22:01 | ze | midkay: roughly |
| 07:22:02 | ze | heh |
| 07:22:11 | midkay | ze, er.. if you say so.. |
| 07:22:16 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, sigh. |
| 07:22:22 | midkay | the 5G needs more work. :p |
| 07:22:54 | ze | midkay: supposedly the first products made from the sigmatel stuff based on the karma/chroma will be coming out late this year |
| 07:23:06 | midkay | ze, nice.. |
| 07:23:09 | ze | or so is rumoured |
| 07:23:10 | ze | heh |
| 07:23:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The 5G needs to not have an evil Broadcom chip in the way. :-P |
| 07:23:13 | midkay | pff. :) |
| 07:23:23 | earHertz | 1/1 21.5 fps, 1/4 44.5 fps, cpu 30 MHz |
| 07:23:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, 'in the way' or 'available for use'? :) |
| 07:23:33 | midkay | earHertz, we wanna know 75mhz! :) |
| 07:23:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | IN THE WAY |
| 07:23:52 | midkay | OH. OH. ALRIGHT. |
| 07:24:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I say, so it is written. |
| 07:24:39 | midkay | may you so explain? |
| 07:24:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 07:24:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do not need to. |
| 07:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 07:25:04 | midkay | er. |
| 07:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure the broadcom chip will prove quite handy at some future point. |
| 07:25:14 | midkay | but how is it in the way? |
| 07:25:14 | earHertz | 1/1 37, 1/4 57, 75MHz |
| 07:25:30 | midkay | heey, earHertz .. 36.5fps to 37. :) |
| 07:25:35 | midkay | pretty schweet. :) |
| 07:25:44 | earHertz | no, that's w/o my mod |
| 07:25:51 | midkay | oh. |
| 07:25:59 | midkay | well, we want to hear the mod results ffs. :) |
| 07:29:09 | earHertz | 1/1 22.5, 1/4, 46, 30 MHz |
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| 07:29:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you can't compare like that |
| 07:29:44 | midkay | what do you mean? |
| 07:29:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | 30mhz compared to 75mhz? |
| 07:29:59 | midkay | he'll give 75 in a moment.. |
| 07:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 07:30:05 | midkay | he gave 30 and 75 last time too. |
| 07:30:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right |
| 07:30:25 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, are you really tired or drunk or high or something? :) |
| 07:30:31 | midkay | you seem rather off. :) |
| 07:30:39 | earHertz | 1/1 38.5, 1/4 58, 75 MHz |
| 07:30:55 | midkay | earHertz, congrats! :) nice little improvement. |
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| 07:32:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm talking with a very hot girl I know, and edging around the topic of dating, so my concentrations on trying to interpret things she's saying. |
| 07:33:15 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, no wonder. stop troubleshooting and give it your all! :) |
| 07:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect nothing shall come of it. I seem to fall into the "gay male friend" role where they talk to me about who they're sleeping with, etc, but never actually see me as a guy. Which is kinda unfortunate. |
| 07:35:29 | midkay | ah, but things may change. |
| 07:37:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 07:37:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't matter. |
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| 07:38:13 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: I heard a study today. 50% of men think of sleeping with their platonic friends, while only 10% of women do. |
| 07:38:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero: I think the truth is that simply men are more honest when asked to admit they do. |
| 07:38:53 | midkay | 50%? bs. :) and 10%? even more bs. :) |
| 07:39:14 | EbErT | true Paul_The_Nerd , that is a biased survey |
| 07:39:22 | biffhero | Paul_The_Nerd: plainly, we are hornier |
| 07:39:26 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: women need to be directed. Just tell her what you want, and tell her she wants itsd |
| 07:39:33 | midkay | it's got to be around 100% on each side, even if just a quick, single thought.. :) |
| 07:39:38 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:39:58 | biffhero | <earHertz> Paul_The_Nerd: women need to be directed. <<< tie her up. |
| 07:40:06 | earHertz | and don't become her shoulder to cry on |
| 07:40:26 | earHertz | well, yeah, some of them like being tied up, but I always find that a bother |
| 07:40:35 | biffhero | cry on her shoulder. |
| 07:40:40 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:40:57 | midkay | i see the conversation has passed my level of.. well, you see where this is going. |
| 07:41:00 | midkay | anyways. |
| 07:41:10 | midkay | i've also got to head to bed. |
| 07:41:16 | midkay | so, nite. :) |
| 07:41:23 | biffhero | nite |
| 07:41:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cya |
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| 07:55:06 | earHertz | ok, patch is on patch tracker |
| 07:59:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cool |
| 07:59:29 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: legt me knowe your results using it |
| 07:59:35 | earHertz | (the patch I mean, niot the girl) |
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| 08:01:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 08:01:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't have a 5G |
| 08:02:58 | earHertz | crap |
| 08:03:12 | earHertz | no wonder the girls aren't fallign LL OVER YOU |
| 08:03:18 | earHertz | :) |
| 08:04:10 | EbErT | i'll never get a 5g, silly to have video playback on that screen |
| 08:04:30 | earHertz | actually, while i don't use it much, it's kinda cool |
| 08:04:41 | EbErT | i'm happy with my 4g ipod/brick |
| 08:05:01 | EbErT | if i wanted that, i'd get an archos or something similar, with greater capabilities |
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| 08:11:54 | amiconn | morning |
| 08:12:07 | earHertz | amiconn: morning |
| 08:12:24 | earHertz | amiconn: did you write lcd-ipodvideo.c? |
| 08:12:42 | amiconn | Hmm, Infirit should've mentioned his amd64 host earlier... |
| 08:12:53 | amiconn | earHertz: Nope. |
| 08:13:06 | earHertz | hu, thught I saw your name in the source |
| 08:13:27 | earHertz | take a look at this; http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5432 |
| 08:17:34 | amiconn | Someone with a g5 should try this |
| 08:17:58 | EbErT | what's the battery life difference on 30mhz vs. 75mhz? |
| 08:18:40 | amiconn | I was just the last one committing a change to lcd-ipodvideo.c. That's because I removed lcd_roll() in all lcd drivers. |
| 08:19:09 | earHertz | EbErT: bad |
| 08:19:18 | earHertz | what did lcd_rool do/' |
| 08:19:38 | amiconn | It was highly lcd dependent, not actually implemented for many newer targets, and the only plugin (!) using it was removed |
| 08:20:43 | amiconn | lcd_roll() used a hardware feature of the lcd controller to roll (not scroll) the lcd content. |
| 08:21:10 | earHertz | might be nice to have that |
| 08:21:20 | amiconn | What for? |
| 08:21:44 | earHertz | if it's in hardware, it could obviatwe teh need to rewrite stuff on a scroll |
| 08:21:54 | amiconn | roll, not scroll |
| 08:22:12 | earHertz | yreah, roll up n lines, then fill in teh botton n lines |
| 08:22:29 | amiconn | And it doesn't actually move the content of the internal lcd memory, it just sets the starting line different |
| 08:23:51 | amiconn | (1) Not all lcd controllers have it (2) On some that have, we couldn't use it because the lcd panel is smaller than what the controller could control, and it's not possible to clamp the roll in a suitable way |
| 08:24:03 | earHertz | um |
| 08:24:14 | amiconn | It would show garbage from the 'invisible area' of the controller |
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| 08:24:55 | amiconn | (3) On some more controllers that have it, we couldn't use it because the lcd panel works 'sideways', so it would roll horizontally instead of vertically |
| 08:25:21 | amiconn | (H300, probably also the g4 color / nano) |
| 08:26:38 | amiconn | And, it's rather unlikely that we want to roll/scroll the *whole* display |
| 08:27:10 | earHertz | good point |
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| 08:31:02 | amiconn | In case of the lcd update loop, I think it might pay off to write it in asm |
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| 08:32:11 | amiconn | Someone should do some experiments on ipod whether there is some kind of burst memory access like there is on coldfire |
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| 09:40:18 | * | petur gets a WMA feeling... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/25/windows_media_photo/ |
| 09:40:30 | markun | Just read about it as well |
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| 10:10:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: When I was optimising the screen drawing functions in pacbox for the ipod I got big increases when changing the code to do multiple-word memory reads/writes, so I think the answer is yes. |
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| 10:12:36 | linuxstb | I agree that at least writing that inner-loop in asm should help the 5g video driver. In fact, the IPL project already has a 5g lcd_update() function in assembler and I've been meaning to compare the performance of that with our C version. |
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| 10:27:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: It would still be helpful to analyse under what conditions the pp50xx does burst accesses |
| 10:28:29 | amiconn | If nobody else does it, I'll probably do some experiments with mem memory speed test plugin, but only after 3.0 |
| 10:28:41 | amiconn | (and I consider a few other things higher priority) |
| 10:29:11 | linuxstb | Yes, I was just saying that I found that some kind of burst access exists. |
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| 10:41:41 | Moos | amiconn: please don't forget about the X5 LCD too when you will on this area : ) |
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| 11:10:59 | amiconn | midkay: i10n v2 isn't completely done. The framework is there, but 2 major things are still missing. (1) The actual rework of the .lang files to take advantage of l10n v2 (2) Voice building per target |
| 11:12:00 | amiconn | Bger started working on (1), but then mysteriously disappeared... |
| 11:17:34 | * | petur already wondered where Bger went |
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| 11:21:45 | amiconn | wiki spam alert... |
| 11:24:31 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 11:29:53 | daurn|laptop | daurnimator spam alert |
| 11:30:02 | * | daurn|laptop spurles |
| 11:30:49 | Zagor | amiconn: where? |
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| 11:36:12 | * | daurn|laptop guesses: the wiki |
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| 11:37:31 | petur | nah.. he's an ok man ;) |
| 11:39:33 | * | petur wonders how our chairman is doing... |
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| 11:42:57 | amiconn | Zagor: AeamgxeGuy |
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| 11:47:52 | Zagor | amiconn: removed. thanks. |
| 11:48:36 | Antioch | What are the flags/extensions/whatever-you-call-them for %pb (progress bar) |
| 11:51:04 | Antioch | %pb isnt even mentioned in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
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| 11:53:04 | petur | Antioch: check the (pdf) manual |
| 11:53:12 | Antioch | which one? |
| 11:53:25 | petur | of the target you use? |
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| 11:53:50 | petur | example: h300: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300-20060526.pdf page 95 |
| 11:53:55 | Antioch | ah, I see |
| 11:54:00 | Antioch | Sorry, I had never looked at them before |
| 11:54:35 | petur | the manuals are becoming better maintained than the wiki |
| 11:54:40 | daurn|laptop | hi al |
| 11:54:48 | daurn|laptop | does any1 know of a general dap channel? |
| 11:54:54 | Antioch | Yea, I noticed a lot of contradictions when reading the wiki |
| 11:54:55 | Antioch | a lot |
| 11:55:53 | daurn|laptop | Antioch: my holy hand grenade came from you |
| 11:56:03 | Antioch | Indeed it did. |
| 11:56:27 | daurn|laptop | is [19:54:54] <Antioch> a lot @ me? |
| 11:56:48 | Antioch | no, just emphasising, lol |
| 11:57:57 | daurn|laptop | i'm looking for a cool, new mp3 player |
| 11:58:00 | daurn|laptop | something small |
| 11:58:05 | daurn|laptop | but... cool |
| 11:58:06 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 11:58:15 | Antioch | I noticed that the manual's wps section doesnt talk about alternating sublines. |
| 11:59:35 | petur | feel free to contribute :D |
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| 12:00:26 | Antioch | indeed |
| 12:06:13 | daurn|laptop | so..... any1 got a channel? |
| 12:07:07 | petur | MR has a general DAP subforum |
| 12:08:03 | petur | http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=122 |
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| 12:11:18 | daurn|laptop | i want an irc room |
| 12:11:18 | daurn|laptop | :S |
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| 13:10:29 | petur | at least it's friday, bofh-day :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/26/bofh_2006_episode_18/ |
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| 13:28:24 | XavierGr | so in order to use lang v2 we need to fulfill the strings for each target on the lang files? |
| 13:28:45 | Bagder | we already use langv2 |
| 13:28:50 | petur | only if it's different for a particular target |
| 13:29:18 | Bagder | for all phrases that should differ, we should make them differ properly |
| 13:29:21 | XavierGr | Bagder: yes i know, I mean to utilize it. |
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| 13:30:39 | amiconn | Bagder, XavierGr: Yes, and properly merge those which were separated before |
| 13:30:44 | amiconn | (mostly for player) |
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| 13:31:12 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether I'll manage to adapt voice before the 29th ... |
| 13:33:40 | XavierGr | I could help for the iriver targets. Is there a wiki page that comments which specific tags we must change, or what exactly to do? |
| 13:34:26 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles |
| 13:34:34 | Bagder | is the docs we have |
| 13:35:56 | Bagder | basically, you need to add target-specific ones before the *: for the phrase you want to change |
| 13:36:56 | XavierGr | I see, but I remember there is a patch that makes that in the tracker, at least for iriver targets (for NAVI instead play). Are there many more cases? |
| 13:37:32 | XavierGr | Also what about the other languages? (except english) They must be updated from the translator, right? |
| 13:38:37 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:38:55 | Bagder | we first make sure the english one is right, and of course all translators must adapt |
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| 13:39:49 | XavierGr | reminds me, shouldn't we call for some translators to update all lang files? (Announce it like the 2.5 release) |
| 13:40:05 | Bagder | we should |
| 13:40:19 | Bagder | and I remember rasher's nice lang status table |
| 13:40:26 | amiconn | As mentioned, there are a couple of string pairs that were used to separate the player from the rest |
| 13:40:48 | amiconn | These should be combined into one id each, and the old pairs deprecated |
| 13:41:02 | amiconn | Search for _PLAYER in english.lang |
| 13:41:22 | * | amiconn wonders were rasher vanished... |
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| 13:42:04 | Bagder | amiconn: he got busy with life and non-rockbox stuff |
| 13:42:30 | Bagder | at least so he claimed ;-) |
| 13:42:54 | XavierGr | yeah I haven't seen him for ages. |
| 13:43:11 | XavierGr | Same for Bger. He vanished out of the blue. |
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| 13:43:34 | Bagder | over time, lots of people come and go |
| 13:44:04 | Bagder | heck, I'd say the top 50 names of the CREDITS file are rarely seen these days |
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| 13:46:08 | XavierGr | Also there was a discussion long ago to standarlize keymaps in the new targets... I guess this won't happen on 3.0 |
| 13:46:18 | XavierGr | OMG too many fronts! |
| 13:46:32 | Bagder | the key rework was decided to be done after 3.0 |
| 13:46:35 | * | amiconn knows that feeling :/ |
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| 13:48:38 | petur | Bger seems to be alive, he committed some stuff recently (18/5) |
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| 13:52:52 | XavierGr | petur: yes I saw that too... |
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| 14:05:26 | XavierGr | BTW is it possible to have Greek voice files? (or non-english) |
| 14:05:37 | Bagder | sure |
| 14:06:11 | Bagder | there are french and german ones floating around |
| 14:06:23 | Bagder | greek shouldn't be any different |
| 14:06:50 | XavierGr | So the lang file shoould contain the voice namings too, right? |
| 14:06:57 | Bagder | yes it does |
| 14:07:44 | Infirit | Hello, i'm updating the nederlands.lang file but have a question. |
| 14:07:49 | Infirit | What does LANG_ALARM_MOD_ALARM_MENU do? It does not exist on my H340. |
| 14:08:41 | petur | oh how nice... another item off my stack :) |
| 14:09:49 | Infirit | I cant help code but this i can help out with. |
| 14:10:06 | Infirit | I'll upload it to the tracker when done |
| 14:10:20 | petur | nice, I'll commit it then ;) |
| 14:12:08 | tom__ | google is brokened :( |
| 14:12:15 | Infirit | But is LANG_ALARM_.. a kind of alarm clock? EG it starts playing at a certian time? |
| 14:12:16 | t0mas | Infirit: Are you from the Netherlands? Or Belgium? |
| 14:12:28 | Infirit | Netherlands |
| 14:12:36 | t0mas | me too :) |
| 14:12:44 | * | petur is .be |
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| 14:14:32 | Infirit | I am also starting an effort to translate the manual but that will take some more time ;) |
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| 14:15:32 | t0mas | so you're using the Dutch translation? |
| 14:15:52 | Infirit | Is there already one? |
| 14:16:06 | t0mas | an outdated one |
| 14:16:12 | t0mas | Which might be the reason nobody uses it... |
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| 14:17:08 | Infirit | Is it on the wiki somewhere? I'll have a look if i can use parts of it/ |
| 14:23:20 | t0mas | it's in CVS I guess? |
| 14:23:22 | markun | Infirit: it's in the rockbox source tree. apps/lang/nederlands.lang |
| 14:24:45 | Infirit | Ok, maybe i'm confused :) I was talking about a Dutch translation of the manual not the lang file. |
| 14:24:59 | t0mas | aah ok |
| 14:25:05 | Infirit | The lang file was already 100% update by me last release :) |
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| 14:31:15 | [1]pjo | Hello ! |
| 14:31:55 | [1]pjo | How do I boot iPod 4G Greyscale after installing the bootloader and rockbox files ? |
| 14:32:26 | [1]pjo | menu + center does not work |
| 14:32:38 | orfax | how long are you pressing them |
| 14:32:47 | [1]pjo | 30 sec |
| 14:34:10 | orfax | hmm...dunno, works for me in about 5 seconds. |
| 14:34:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: For a greek voice file, we would need a greek tts engine |
| 14:35:07 | Mikachu | or a greek |
| 14:35:14 | amiconn | ..preferably a sapi5 compatible one |
| 14:35:30 | petur | hahaha |
| 14:35:42 | [1]pjo | what is the best way to find which iPod model is this ? |
| 14:35:51 | [1]pjo | it is not 5G, photo |
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| 14:36:00 | [1]pjo | looks like it is Greyscale 4G |
| 14:36:32 | petur | ipodlinux wiki has a page that helps you identify your model |
| 14:36:39 | amiconn | Do you have an image somewhere? |
| 14:36:47 | [1]pjo | thanks petur |
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| 14:37:49 | petur | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 14:38:19 | amiconn | Mikachu: In fact it's possible to create a voice file with human speech, just that it is a tedious task |
| 14:38:33 | Infirit | LANG_INVERT_CURSOR has been re-added to the english.lang it was DEPRECATED? |
| 14:38:35 | amiconn | Christi did that once for UK english |
| 14:38:46 | Infirit | Should it be removed? |
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| 14:39:14 | amiconn | nope |
| 14:39:27 | [1]pjo | petur: is it in documentation or wiki ? |
| 14:39:35 | petur | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 14:39:47 | [1]pjo | petur: tahnks |
| 14:40:47 | [1]pjo | or its not RockBox page |
| 14:41:19 | [1]pjo | i found it it is 3G greyscale |
| 14:41:20 | petur | you wanted to identify your ipod model, no? |
| 14:41:40 | [1]pjo | but at Rockbox installation page I caould not find 3G |
| 14:41:54 | petur | 3G isn't ready yet |
| 14:41:57 | [1]pjo | yes it is 3G Greyscale |
| 14:42:07 | [1]pjo | Oh ! |
| 14:42:16 | petur | there's no dev (anymore) with a 3G |
| 14:42:16 | [1]pjo | I installed 4G greyscale |
| 14:43:00 | [1]pjo | no wander it does not work |
| 14:43:24 | [1]pjo | I have to restore boot to the original one |
| 14:44:28 | [1]pjo | thanks petur, Parlez vous Francaise ? |
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| 14:45:43 | linuxstb | [1]pjo: Also, the key combinations are different for the 3G - see http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
| 14:46:01 | [1]pjo | oh yes ! |
| 14:46:52 | [1]pjo | Thanks linuxstb BTW I just got a dvd of SUSE 10.1 |
| 14:47:05 | petur | [1]pjo: un petit peu - I'm from the Flemish part of Belgium |
| 14:47:25 | [1]pjo | petur: bien sur |
| 14:47:56 | Infirit | SUSE 10.1 has XGL, hmmm eyecandy :) |
| 14:47:58 | [1]pjo | I thought your nick is French |
| 14:48:29 | [1]pjo | yes that is the reason I want to run SUSe Xgl cubic desktop |
| 14:48:40 | petur | [1]pjo: in fact my nick is just my first name in icelandic |
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| 14:49:04 | [1]pjo | petur: oh icelandic, lots of volcano as here !!!!! |
| 14:51:18 | XavierGr | hmm I found a duplicate in lang. |
| 14:51:50 | XavierGr | LANG_REPEAT_ALL = All and LANG_FILTER_ALL = All |
| 14:52:13 | XavierGr | Shouldn't we have one "All" for various cases? |
| 14:53:31 | amiconn | That's a controversial thing - maybe it is desirable to use different translations for "All" in some language |
| 14:53:42 | amiconn | Not asure at all about this |
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| 14:57:40 | Infirit | Should LANG_MENU_SHOW_ID3_INFO be changed to say: Show tag info instead of ID3 info? |
| 14:57:47 | XavierGr | also some voice files are missing in english.lang |
| 14:59:30 | amiconn | Not all entries should have a voice: string |
| 14:59:45 | amiconn | ...only those which are actually voiced |
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| 15:00:20 | amiconn | Including a voice clip for a string that isn't voiced would be a waste, and makes it more difficult to squeeze the voice file |
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| 15:00:54 | Infirit | Can it say maybe "not voiced" or something to make it clear? |
| 15:00:54 | amiconn | tag info is still too technical. Linus made a good proposal a few weeks ago, but I don't remember what it was... |
| 15:00:54 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I agree but I found voice strings that are in the menu and not voiced. |
| 15:01:13 | Infirit | Ok, i;ll leave it for now, thanks |
| 15:01:25 | XavierGr | Like LANG_LCD_REMOTE_MENU |
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| 15:02:13 | bluebrother^ | wasn't it something like "file info" or "metadata"? |
| 15:06:10 | [1]pjo | i am going to bed tyhanks folks and see you later |
| 15:06:18 | [1]pjo | thanks |
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| 15:09:01 | amiconn | XavierGr: LANG_LCD_REMOTE_MENU is voiced in english.lang... |
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| 15:36:54 | tom__ | I know this is a bit off topic but, is there anyone around that knows about format string attacks? |
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| 15:44:10 | ashridah | tom__: i recall that it's mostly due to people calling printf(buffer) when they mean printf("%s",buffer), but i seem to recall it's more complicated than that |
| 15:45:03 | tom__ | yeah exactly, I've set up a test bed under qemu, I'm trying to learn about it. |
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| 15:50:47 | Moos | speaking about .lang, the francais.lang update is in the tracker (there was just one missing string) |
| 15:54:33 | Infirit | Question for the Dutch speaking people. Should pitch be translated at all? I saw it translated as "versnelling" but this does not seem right to me. |
| 15:55:20 | petur | I'd keep pitch or translate it as tempo |
| 15:55:34 | petur | which isn't 100% coorect |
| 15:55:41 | petur | correct even |
| 15:55:45 | markun | pitch is probably better |
| 15:56:25 | Infirit | Ok, i'll change all them to pitch. Thanks |
| 15:57:10 | markun | What about other technical words like crossfade and crossfeed? |
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| 15:59:32 | Infirit | I am more for leaving them as they are, unless it has very obvious translation. Like frequency |
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| 16:03:14 | amiconn | I'd rather try to translate as much as possible |
| 16:03:47 | amiconn | If you keep like half the strings in english just because they're technical there's not much point in a translation |
| 16:04:20 | amiconn | The translation is also meant for people who don't understand english well enough |
| 16:04:40 | Infirit | The problem is that there is no direct translation for some words |
| 16:05:06 | amiconn | If there is no meaningful translation, then you have to keep the english word, unfortunately |
| 16:05:46 | * | amiconn also prefers a program's UI in german, even though he has no problems in understanding an english UI |
| 16:08:03 | Infirit | I will translate as much as possible and upload it to the tracker. People can have a look and point out my errors or better ways to translate it :) |
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| 16:08:37 | * | XavierGr prefers a program in English UI because in Greek I can't understand the translated terminology.... |
| 16:09:22 | * | petur agrees with XavierGr |
| 16:11:26 | petur | most translations of software to Dutch are done by Dutch people, and then sold in Belgium. The small differences between Dutch and Flemish make this very irritating, so I never bother to try the translation. |
| 16:12:39 | petur | I once did the translation of some software and had complaints from Dutch people, so it works the other way around too |
| 16:13:37 | Infirit | Yes, that is true unfortunately. Maybe create a flemmish language file? |
| 16:13:49 | petur | nah, don't bother |
| 16:13:58 | Infirit | Or for the netherlands a vries language file :) |
| 16:13:58 | XavierGr | good or bad, with english being an international language, technological terminology is left back for other languages. |
| 16:14:16 | * | Moos loves frech ;) |
| 16:14:24 | Moos | *french |
| 16:14:35 | Infirit | fries.... and blushes |
| 16:14:47 | bluebrother | how about a klingon or bavarian translation? IIRC some projects already did this for fun ;-) |
| 16:15:15 | Infirit | Yeah, why not, it would be very cool to show klingon ui to your mates :) |
| 16:15:24 | petur | it's sometimes hard to choose between an approximate translation and keeping the English term |
| 16:15:51 | petur | the translation can be more confusing than the English word |
| 16:16:00 | Mikachu | i don't think klingon is officially in unicode |
| 16:17:13 | bluebrother | according to wikipedia it is ;-) |
| 16:17:20 | Infirit | http://www.evertype.com/standards/csur/klingon.html |
| 16:17:39 | Mikachu | i think there is an unofficial range used for it, but not approved by the unicode committee or whatever they are |
| 16:17:49 | petur | this one isn't either: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/lang/wallisertitsch.lang?rev=1.15&view=log |
| 16:18:26 | petur | afaik a Swiss dialect |
| 16:18:29 | bluebrother | from wp: Everson created a mapping of pIqaD into the Private Use Area of Unicode, which he listed in the ConScript Unicode Registry (U+F8D0 to U+F8FF) |
| 16:19:05 | bluebrother | so it's unofficial |
| 16:20:28 | markun | Aghaster is working on a esperanto translation |
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| 16:25:09 | daurnimator | o.o |
| 16:25:42 | Infirit | Is it tagcache or tag<space>cache? I see both in the lang files |
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| 16:29:45 | Infirit | The manual has it with a space |
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| 17:35:18 | holotone | I was just checking in to see what the status of the power consumption bug on the H3xx port was... |
| 17:35:23 | holotone | Has it been tracked down? |
| 17:35:47 | holotone | And is the bug fix slated to be included with RB3.0? |
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| 17:37:10 | Febs | As far as I know, the H300 power issues have not been resolved. Yes, it was an issue that was targeted to be addressed in release 3.0. I don't know whether it is an issue that is currently considered to be release-critical. |
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| 17:38:48 | amiconn | Imho it is |
| 17:40:32 | holotone | agreed |
| 17:41:06 | holotone | I love the current build, but I really can't justify using it until the power consumption bug is resolved, just do to hardware wear and tear it will cause |
| 17:41:19 | holotone | beside that point, you all have done INCREDIBLE job with this release. |
| 17:41:20 | holotone | seriously |
| 17:41:34 | holotone | I've been a RB fan since the Archos 6000 port that ya'll did. |
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| 18:13:26 | Infirit | The nederlands.lang is almost ready except for the crossfeed entries. |
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| 18:14:36 | Infirit | What does crossfeed do? It will help me translate it better. |
| 18:15:52 | Mikachu | it takes some of the R channel to the L channel and vice versa |
| 18:15:58 | Mikachu | possibly with some delays, i'm not sure of the details |
| 18:17:59 | Infirit | Ok, I'll see if there is something in the manual. Thanks |
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| 18:48:33 | Infirit | The dutch translation is now done and uploaded to flyspray task #5435 |
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| 18:50:58 | Infirit | Crossfeed btw sounds really advanced stuff. Are there other portable players supporting this? |
| 18:52:08 | wohlstandskind | hi all |
| 18:59:45 | wohlstandskind | i have a question |
| 18:59:58 | wohlstandskind | how can i activate the themes? |
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| 19:00:23 | Mikachu | Infirit: i doubt it, but it's possible they do |
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| 19:02:57 | Infirit | wohlstandskind, go into the menu and into browse themes |
| 19:03:02 | wohlstandskind | where in menu? |
| 19:03:18 | Infirit | Mikachu, Another point for the Rockbox team :) |
| 19:03:27 | ScoTTie | wheres the any key? |
| 19:03:28 | ScoTTie | :S |
| 19:03:55 | ScoTTie | bah totally missread what you typed :( |
| 19:03:59 | wohlstandskind | i dont the the menu browse themes |
| 19:06:15 | wohlstandskind | oh i found it but i have a problem |
| 19:06:49 | wohlstandskind | when i press the center butto to enter the menu Rockbox it shows just a screen loading for a second and then nothing |
| 19:08:33 | Febs | What player are you using? |
| 19:09:01 | wohlstandskind | ipod nano 4gb |
| 19:10:30 | Febs | OK, so you press the "menu" button to enter the Main Menu, and then the "Browse Themes" button to enter the themes directory, right? |
| 19:10:55 | Febs | (I meant, navigate to the "Browse Themes" entry and press the center button) |
| 19:11:14 | linuxstb | You need to press and then quickly release the MENU button to enter the main menu. A long press on MENU will bring up the "quick menu". |
| 19:12:12 | Febs | Right. Check the "quick menu" and make sure that "Show files" is set to "Supported" or "all." If you still can't see any themes, that means that you have none loaded onto your nano. |
| 19:12:38 | linuxstb | Someone needs to write all this down in a manual... |
| 19:13:47 | wohlstandskind | i will check this in 2 minutes |
| 19:14:55 | wohlstandskind | the control of rockbox is difficult |
| 19:15:39 | Febs | Linuxstb, "someone"? |
| 19:16:10 | Febs | ;) |
| 19:16:16 | Febs | Usually, that means me. |
| 19:18:57 | wohlstandskind | is there a standby plugin for rockbox? |
| 19:19:24 | Febs | Oh, wait just one minute here! Turns out, somebody HAS written all this down in a manual! http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 19:19:35 | Febs | How about that! |
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| 19:20:04 | Febs | wohlstandskind, there is a sleep timer, if that's what you mean. |
| 19:21:05 | wohlstandskind | what can i do with sleeptimer? |
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| 19:22:14 | webguest23 | what can you do withy a sleep timer, why, put yourself to sleep ofcourse |
| 19:22:31 | webguest23 | sorry couldn't ressist it |
| 19:22:33 | Infirit | wohlstandskind, it is the same kind you have on your tv. Turns itself off after xx minutes |
| 19:23:01 | Febs | Perhaps we could answer your question better if you let us know what you mean by "standby plugin." |
| 19:23:24 | webguest23 | or there is always the manual as a good source of information |
| 19:23:43 | Febs | webguest, we mentioned that just before you joined. |
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| 19:25:28 | Infirit | Febs, as you are the manual guy, how easy would it be to make a multilingual manual. I am starting a translation to Dutch. |
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| 19:28:15 | Febs | I suppose it could be done. One way would be to just take the manual as it currently exists in CVS, and translate each of the .tex files, leaving the formatting, macros, etc. intact. |
| 19:29:34 | Febs | tucoz might have some thoughts on how it could be accomplished. He's better at the LaTeX side of things than I am. |
| 19:30:00 | Infirit | I am now starting with a seperate copy and been updating that |
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| 19:55:45 | petur | wtf... WinDiff starts complaining the lang files are binary and can't be compared :( |
| 19:56:31 | thegeek_ | unix format? |
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| 19:57:52 | Infirit | Ow, should they be in dos format? |
| 19:58:12 | linuxstb | petur: A quick google tells me that windiff doesn't support utf-8 - http://www.grigsoft.com/windiff.htm |
| 19:58:14 | thegeek_ | well, no |
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| 20:02:20 | * | Mikachu hugs diff -a |
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| 20:14:36 | * | amiconn wonders what windiff is |
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| 20:29:19 | XavierGr | amiconn: what's the difference between LANG_BUFFER_STAT_PLAYER and LANG_BUFFER_STAT_RECORDER. I suppose this is where langv2 must be applied? |
| 20:29:37 | amiconn | Yes |
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| 20:30:13 | amiconn | This is also a very special case - the whole string should be changed and the associated code should use outpu_dyn_value() |
| 20:30:27 | amiconn | * output_dyn_value() |
| 20:31:08 | ^BeN^ | mm some one recive mail from sandisk about rockbox? |
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| 20:31:52 | Paprica | ? |
| 20:33:35 | Paprica | amiconn, linuxstb? |
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| 20:34:24 | Kadd | somebody can help me? |
| 20:34:48 | Kadd | i looknig for firmware for this player |
| 20:34:49 | Kadd | http://www.updatehk.com/list.asp?id=733 |
| 20:35:09 | Kadd | link to foto and model info^^ |
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| 20:36:53 | amiconn | Paprica: what? why? |
| 20:37:12 | Paprica | have you receive a mail from sandisk? |
| 20:37:23 | amiconn | why should I? |
| 20:37:27 | Paprica | FW: SanDisk Sansa e200 Firmware via RockBox |
| 20:37:37 | Paprica | i receive one.. |
| 20:37:54 | Paprica | i think that they send it to all the developers... |
| 20:38:03 | * | amiconn didn't get one |
| 20:38:06 | Paprica | do you want to see it? |
| 20:38:07 | XavierGr | saying what? |
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| 20:38:30 | Paprica | "...We wanted to see if your community/team would be interested in creating alternative firmware for the Sansa e200 model? " |
| 20:38:45 | XavierGr | wow is this from the company? |
| 20:38:53 | Paprica | i think that they choose the wrong man :) |
| 20:38:54 | Paprica | yep |
| 20:39:01 | Paprica | Keith Washo |
| 20:39:01 | Paprica | SanDisk Corporation |
| 20:39:01 | Paprica | Product Marketing Manager-MP3 Players |
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| 20:39:08 | XavierGr | Now this is getting serious |
| 20:39:13 | amiconn | Hmm, interesting... |
| 20:39:14 | Paprica | yeah |
| 20:39:27 | XavierGr | This is good news for Rockbox |
| 20:39:27 | amiconn | It seems rockbox is starting to get attention |
| 20:39:35 | Mikachu | Your search - "Keith Washo" sandisk - did not match any documents. |
| 20:39:39 | amiconn | From companies, I mean |
| 20:40:12 | XavierGr | if some devs can make rockbox work for it after a company request then other companies will think it twice... |
| 20:40:22 | Paprica | Mikachu, i have his phone number |
| 20:40:24 | Paprica | mail |
| 20:40:26 | Paprica | ... |
| 20:40:43 | amiconn | hummm.... |
| 20:40:50 | Paprica | amiconn, do you want to see all the mail? |
| 20:41:09 | pixelma | http://www.zoominfo.com/Directory/default.asp?page_id=9415 |
| 20:41:19 | Paprica | maybe i need to forward it to the developers list? |
| 20:41:34 | XavierGr | paprica: that would be nice. |
| 20:41:41 | amiconn | Mikachu: Search for "Keith Washo" Creative .... |
| 20:42:07 | pixelma | search for Washo, Keith in the link above |
| 20:42:29 | Paprica | haha its funny to know that im the only that recieve this mail |
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| 20:42:52 | amiconn | Hmm, is Sandisk connected with Creative in any way? |
| 20:42:54 | Zendefera | does rb have the ipod video hardware specs on the site? |
| 20:43:13 | linuxstb | lol |
| 20:43:18 | Zendefera | sandisk associated with creative? hmm, not that I've heard, but I could be wrong. |
| 20:43:20 | Paprica | what is the rockbox developers mail list email? |
| 20:43:49 | Zendefera | paprica rockbox@cool.haxx.se I think |
| 20:44:09 | linuxstb | Paprica: Maybe the committers list would be better (it's not public) - I never like to publish someone's email without their permission. But that's up to you. |
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| 20:44:28 | Paprica | i mean the commiters list |
| 20:44:30 | Paprica | .. |
| 20:44:34 | amiconn | Paprica: rockbox-dev@rockbox.org |
| 20:44:44 | Paprica | im really dont know what to do with this mail |
| 20:45:25 | XavierGr | well Linus, Bagder, Zagor, preglow, amiconn, linuxstb e.t.c must definitely know about it. |
| 20:45:49 | Mikachu | you could reply and tell him to send it to rockbox-dev |
| 20:47:04 | Zendefera | hmm, anyone know what cpu and ram the ipod video has? |
| 20:47:31 | Mikachu | check ipodlinux.org |
| 20:47:47 | Zendefera | good idea. |
| 20:47:47 | * | petur returns |
| 20:47:52 | petur | W000000t |
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| 20:48:14 | petur | I wrote to the Sansa guys some days ago :) |
| 20:48:26 | linuxstb | Zendefera: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 20:49:17 | Paprica | petur, you got the same mail? |
| 20:49:59 | petur | I wrote them regarding http://www.idont.com/ and told them that ipod users do have an alternative, and that rockbox could work on their player if they helped a bit ;) |
| 20:50:15 | * | petur checks his mailbox at work |
| 20:51:15 | petur | nope, no mail |
| 20:51:19 | petur | strange.... |
| 20:51:54 | Mikachu | slandering competitors is always a fun way to advertise... |
| 20:51:54 | Paprica | ok i send it to the commiters list |
| 20:52:52 | Paprica | haha he wrote rockbox.com |
| 20:52:59 | Paprica | instead of rockbox.org |
| 20:53:39 | petur | stupid, I did give him the correct web address |
| 20:54:10 | Mikachu | can't trust marketing guys |
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| 20:58:45 | petur | dos2unix also doesn't like the lang files anymore - since when has this started? |
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| 21:01:11 | Zendefera | wow, the ipod vidos have pretty good cpus and ram. |
| 21:07:11 | pixelma | I once found a picture on ebay, that made me think that Sandisk could be related to iAudio too: a Sandisk player showing: iAudio Mania - Enjoy Color Sound |
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| 21:08:44 | * | amiconn thinks that was a photoshopped fake... |
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| 21:14:24 | XavierGr | amiconn: really? OMG |
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| 21:15:02 | petur | hey. for some reason cygwin thinks some lang files are binary. english is ok, francais is not. :( |
| 21:15:06 | amiconn | XavierGr: I mean the image with the sansa player playing the iaudio song |
| 21:15:09 | XavierGr | ah never mind... I thought you were talking about the email... |
| 21:15:34 | thegeek_ | petur : it's probably the utf-8 thing? |
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| 21:18:04 | petur | somebody checked it in like that.... |
| 21:19:22 | thegeek_ | perhaps because it needs to be utf-8 in order to get the characters right? |
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| 21:19:35 | thegeek_ | I guess cygwin just sucks when it comes to unicode;) |
| 21:20:07 | thegeek_ | http://www.cygwin.com/faq/faq_3.html#SEC48 |
| 21:20:14 | thegeek_ | Internationalization is a complex issue. The short answer is that Cygwin is not Unicode-aware, so things that might work in Linux will not necessarily work on Cygwin. |
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| 21:20:28 | petur | :( |
| 21:20:42 | * | petur should give colinux another kick |
| 21:20:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or vmware. :-P |
| 21:20:55 | thegeek_ | ;) |
| 21:21:13 | thegeek_ | or just install linux |
| 21:21:25 | amiconn | lol |
| 21:21:27 | amiconn | "just" |
| 21:21:31 | petur | as if migrating is easy :P |
| 21:21:36 | thegeek_ | do as I do |
| 21:21:39 | thegeek_ | run it on a server |
| 21:21:51 | thegeek_ | I offload a _lot_ of stuff onto my gentoo box |
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| 21:21:59 | thegeek_ | but I still prefer windows for the desktop |
| 21:22:16 | thegeek_ | I'm just dependent on too many windows apps;) |
| 21:22:28 | Infirit | Windows, only for games |
| 21:22:38 | thegeek_ | that's bullshit |
| 21:22:41 | * | petur doesn't play games |
| 21:23:03 | thegeek_ | windows xp is a decent os, it's not as good as linux but it's a _lot_ easier to work with |
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| 21:23:27 | Infirit | I have crossover for my windows app i cant live without |
| 21:23:42 | thegeek_ | my primary reason is actually litestep |
| 21:23:53 | thegeek_ | can't live without my theme |
| 21:24:01 | thegeek_ | been using it for 3 years now |
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| 21:25:55 | Infirit | windowmaker is just as good as litestep (Hey i'm not starting s flame war here :) ) |
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| 21:26:15 | gppo | hey |
| 21:26:27 | gppo | I got one question, how do I setup crossfeed second |
| 21:26:40 | gppo | like it crossfade from one song to another |
| 21:26:48 | gppo | on a ipod 2g mini |
| 21:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you set up "crossfade" not "crossfeed" |
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| 21:27:17 | gppo | AFAIK I know I can't find it |
| 21:27:20 | gppo | k let me see |
| 21:27:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said crossfeed the first time, so I had to make sure. |
| 21:27:37 | gppo | I mistyped |
| 21:27:38 | gppo | sorry |
| 21:27:48 | gppo | crossfade |
| 21:27:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it not in the manual? |
| 21:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's not, that needs to be corrected... |
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| 21:29:30 | Infirit | page 37 of the manual explain crossfade |
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| 21:29:52 | Infirit | For the h300 one at least |
| 21:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Infirit: He's asking about the Ipod Mini 2G though. Its manual may be slightly different. |
| 21:30:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes parts get left out of manuals because things aren't set up quite right |
| 21:30:42 | gppo | Infirit wher ethe link to that manual I am sorry let me read it |
| 21:30:49 | gppo | your software rocks |
| 21:30:50 | gppo | MUch love |
| 21:31:06 | gppo | Love GPL keep it up |
| 21:31:11 | Infirit | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g-20060526.pdf |
| 21:31:48 | gppo | :) |
| 21:32:00 | Infirit | page 30 :) |
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| 21:34:11 | gppo | opps my dylsixica |
| 21:34:21 | gppo | OH i see, crossfeed !=crossfade |
| 21:34:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, they're two different terms, which is why I said you need to set up crossfade rather than crossfeed. :-P |
| 21:35:30 | gppo | sorry my reading comprehession is bad |
| 21:35:53 | gppo | I also read that all the music is just any dir on your ipod hd |
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| 21:35:57 | gppo | k I see that make sense |
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| 21:40:49 | petur | hmmm.. tortoisecvs uses winmerge, not windiff. and winmergeu supports utf-8, still it complains the file is binary. What's a good tool to check file encoding (windows please) |
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| 21:44:20 | sharpe | whee... |
| 21:44:27 | sharpe | i got a cover for my ipod. |
| 21:44:49 | petur | for a moment I thought you had another emulator working :p |
| 21:45:05 | sharpe | heh |
| 21:45:14 | sharpe | what would the next one be? :) |
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| 21:46:41 | amiconn | Ahem, UAE? |
| 21:47:10 | sharpe | amiga? i dunno... |
| 21:47:27 | amiconn | On iriver it might even be possible |
| 21:47:42 | amiconn | (and iaudio too) |
| 21:48:47 | sharpe | why iriver? |
| 21:49:29 | amiconn | coldfire is m68k-based |
| 21:49:49 | sharpe | right. |
| 21:50:05 | hannesd | petur: notepad2 |
| 21:50:13 | sharpe | i suppose i'm fascinated with emulation of classic hardware. :) |
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| 21:50:34 | * | Mikachu whispers something about atari ym music |
| 21:52:04 | sharpe | i think i'll get to work on the space invaders emulator |
| 21:52:18 | sharpe | maybe... fixing it. |
| 21:53:06 | XavierGr | hmm Greek text to speech converters are hard to find, (not to mention free) I found a very good one from loquendo but it is not for free. :( |
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| 21:54:42 | XavierGr | the demo lets you write anything you want. Then a wav file is created. I am pretty inmpressed it is much better than the English voice files I 've heard so far. |
| 21:55:07 | amiconn | The at&t english voices are far better than what we can publish now |
| 21:55:34 | sharpe | heh... |
| 21:55:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | A true TTS engine would be kinda neat, just in general. |
| 21:55:43 | XavierGr | yes I 've heard the difference between the microsoft ones. |
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| 21:57:29 | sharpe | i wonder if it'd be safe to expose my ipod to a few drops of water... |
| 21:57:38 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:58:47 | XavierGr | sharpe: just try it and tell us the result :P |
| 21:59:14 | sharpe | will do. |
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| 21:59:36 | amiconn | bleh |
| 21:59:50 | XavierGr | sharpe: don't blame me if it won't work after that.... |
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| 22:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: They sell waterproof cases for them. They're only like.. what, $150 or so. :-P |
| 22:00:22 | sharpe | ;) |
| 22:00:32 | petur | I'll sell you a plastic bag for half the price |
| 22:00:45 | sharpe | i know, i just washed the new cover i got for it, since there was some dirt on the screen cover part thing. |
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| 22:02:29 | sharpe | yeh, few drops of water = okay. |
| 22:04:17 | sharpe | eh, i'll use use eclipse as an ide, and just build using cygwin. |
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| 22:18:14 | romanpress | hi, i deleted some songs from my rockbox, but the are still in my tag cache. i already did a "force tag cache update". ps. the files i deleted are from the original ipod music folder... |
| 22:19:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have to delete the tagcache itself, not just force an update. |
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| 22:21:10 | Infirit | thats not very logical |
| 22:21:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes well it's primarily because the TagCache feature isn't done yet |
| 22:21:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not how it's supposed to work, just how it has to right now |
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| 22:23:13 | romanpress | thanks, it works when i delete the tag cache, force update and restart. |
| 22:24:21 | Infirit | ah, ok clear. I just did not find any mention of this in the manual. Or should this be fixed before the 3.0 release |
| 22:24:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | No clue honestly. I feel it should be, but I suspect it won't be. |
| 22:25:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't seen any/many updates to TagCache for a while now. |
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| 22:28:08 | Infirit | according tp the wiki page: Autoupdate - TagCache automatically updates the db when music is added or removed from the device without having to force a complete rebuild |
| 22:28:27 | Infirit | So this is a bug then? |
| 22:28:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an incomplete feature |
| 22:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe it's ever properly updated when a file is removed. |
| 22:30:36 | romanpress | it doesn't even update without force update when i add a new song |
| 22:30:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | romanpress: Do you have Dircache enabled, and TagCache set to "Memory"? |
| 22:31:04 | Infirit | Ow, I see now there are V's after the points indicating its done. This one has no V yet :) |
| 22:34:59 | petur | Infirit: why did you also modify the desc: entries in the lang file? |
| 22:35:48 | Infirit | Because it was different from the english one and the script put a comment to update it |
| 22:36:09 | Infirit | Mostly it where capital changes |
| 22:36:25 | * | petur checks |
| 22:37:46 | petur | ah ok, it's updated to the desc entries of english.lang |
| 22:37:50 | petur | goodie |
| 22:38:07 | Infirit | Yes |
| 22:38:48 | petur | is your name already in the credits file? |
| 22:39:03 | Infirit | Yes, from the previous update |
| 22:39:43 | Infirit | So all this searching for a diff utils was for my nederland2.lang? |
| 22:40:33 | petur | no, francais.lang |
| 22:41:14 | petur | seems it's not my diff tool but cygwin or the cvs tool |
| 22:41:29 | amiconn | Hmm, any manual maintainer around? |
| 22:41:40 | Infirit | Phew, was worried for a moment. I can also make a patch next time. Whichever is prefferred |
| 22:42:33 | petur | I'm just gonna read through your file quickly before committing |
| 22:43:14 | Febs | amiconn, you called? |
| 22:43:45 | amiconn | Febs: I just briefly checked the Ondio SP manual. There are some things that need correction.. |
| 22:44:20 | amiconn | (1) A number of screenshots shows a button bar, i.e. they were taken from recorder. The Ondio has no button bar b/c there are no soft buttons |
| 22:44:44 | petur | what's superbass? |
| 22:44:54 | amiconn | (2) The part about the FM radio should be left out from the Ondio SP manual instead of marking it "OndioFM only" |
| 22:45:46 | amiconn | (3) In the Tag cache chapter, the only option for all archoses is "Keep tag cache on disk", with no option to set, as there is no dircache at all |
| 22:46:23 | petur | Infirit: I think 'Super laag' is not a correct translation for 'Super Bass' |
| 22:46:36 | amiconn | (4) The ID3 viewer screenshot is way outdated. It shows the single-tag-per-screen version, but the ID3 viewer is a list for quite some time now |
| 22:46:37 | XavierGr | haha |
| 22:46:44 | XavierGr | super lag! |
| 22:46:53 | Infirit | Heel laag maybe? |
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| 22:47:49 | amiconn | petur: Super bass is a way to increase perceived bass. It's a MAS feature, and only works in conjunction with Loudness |
| 22:47:50 | Infirit | Or leave it as superbass. Its not on my h340 so i am going blind on this one |
| 22:48:08 | Febs | amiconn, thanks. Anything else? I don't think that any of us who are focusing on the manual have an archos platform. |
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| 22:48:22 | petur | I think Bass is one of those audio terms that needs no translation |
| 22:49:11 | mdke | hi there. I thought I'd give rockbox a try, but I've noticed that my ipod's partition table is screwed. are there some instructions on how to format it and start again with rockbox? |
| 22:49:30 | Infirit | Do you want me to change it or will you remove it from your patch? |
| 22:49:36 | amiconn | petur: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/mas3587f_2pd.pdf page 43. Check the description of the 'Loudness' register |
| 22:50:13 | sharpe | mdke: windows or linux? |
| 22:50:33 | amiconn | Febs: Hmm, press 'FixMe' is a funny description... |
| 22:50:50 | petur | does cvsview have problems with utf-8 or did I screw up francais.lang? |
| 22:50:58 | amiconn | (5) For Ondio SP, the whole recording chapter should go |
| 22:51:03 | mdke | sharpe: linux |
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| 22:52:43 | amiconn | (6) Many many screenshots also show the clock in the status bar. The Ondio has no clock, and hence no clock display. This is also true for the Ondio FM |
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| 22:53:30 | pixelma | I could make some screendumps - but I have an Ondio FM and no camera/scanner |
| 22:53:56 | amiconn | pixelma: You don't need a camera, just the debug->screendump feature |
| 22:54:06 | amiconn | Haha, funny, the anti-skip buffer should be removed for Ondio. |
| 22:54:11 | sharpe | mdke: well, here are the instructions for installing linux, i'm going to look for more information on the partitions, but you should be able to format them as they are in the document, and possibly work... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 22:54:32 | pixelma | yes, but you also mentioned screenshots showing buttons (that's why) |
| 22:54:35 | mdke | sharpe: yeah, that's what I'm working from. ok |
| 22:54:36 | amiconn | Has anyone ever seen a flash player skip? (due to mechanical influences I mean) |
| 22:55:06 | amiconn | pixelma: No, I mean the 'button bar' displayed on the archos recorder, showing the meaning of the F1..F3 buttonds |
| 22:55:16 | pixelma | oh, I see |
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| 22:56:19 | pixelma | so what's needed? also: where shall I put it? |
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| 22:57:09 | amiconn | (7) The 'caption backlight' description is slightly wrong. 'Caption backlight' enables the backlight <n> seconds before a track change, and disables it <n> seconds after the track change, with <n> being the backlight timeout value, or 5 seconds, whichever is larger |
| 22:57:40 | amiconn | Oh, and of course all backlight related settings aren't present on Ondio since the Ondio doesn't have a backlight |
| 22:57:47 | sharpe | mdke: if all else fails, could you get to a windows computer with the ipod updater, and restore your ipod? :) |
| 22:57:51 | amiconn | (factory mounted) |
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| 22:58:47 | amiconn | (8) Brightness isn't present on any target except H300 (yet) |
| 22:59:53 | amiconn | (9) Battery capacity for Ondio is 1000mAh by default, and there is an additional 'Battery type' option, with the choices 'Alkaline' and 'NiMH' |
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| 23:00:22 | mdke | sharpe: yeah i can, if i have to ;) seems to be going ok so far |
| 23:00:24 | amiconn | (10) No disk spindown for Ondio, no dircache for any archos |
| 23:00:56 | sharpe | mdke: alright, since i really do not know of a ipod restoration utility for linux. |
| 23:01:09 | mdke | sharpe: one thing, when making the bootloader, if I have a mini 1st gen, is -g mini correct, or is that for 2nd gen minis? |
| 23:01:34 | amiconn | (11) Rockblox was removed a while ago |
| 23:01:39 | mdke | the list of potential generations doesn't seem to distinguish, only "mini" is available |
| 23:01:52 | mdke | while the file I downloaded is named "mini1g" |
| 23:02:17 | sharpe | -g mini is correct, for both mini's |
| 23:02:22 | mdke | thanks |
| 23:02:27 | amiconn | (12) The 'bounce' screenshot is also the recorder version, with the clock in the background |
| 23:02:27 | sharpe | welcome |
| 23:02:29 | pixelma | amiconn: still have 'rockblox' in my build |
| 23:02:36 | amiconn | oh? |
| 23:02:55 | amiconn | Hmm, indeed |
| 23:02:55 | pixelma | 060524 |
| 23:03:52 | amiconn | (13) cube buttons are wrong for Ondio |
| 23:04:22 | mdke | sharpe: booting "Rockbox error: -1" then it loads original firmware |
| 23:04:38 | mdke | btw, is this a support channel? |
| 23:04:42 | sharpe | aye. |
| 23:04:45 | amiconn | (14) oscilloscope shouldn't cause skips on archos |
| 23:04:48 | mdke | phew |
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| 23:04:58 | petur | mdke: unzip rockbox to the fat partition? |
| 23:05:00 | sharpe | you need to extract the /.rockbox/ and rockbox.ipod folders |
| 23:05:01 | sharpe | er |
| 23:05:04 | sharpe | folder and file. |
| 23:05:12 | mdke | yeah, I did that |
| 23:05:45 | sharpe | still no success? |
| 23:06:06 | mdke | no, I had done it already |
| 23:06:11 | mdke | lemme check it's there |
| 23:06:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | mdke: Error -1 means it cannot find the rockbox.ipod file either in the root of the first Fat32 partition it finds, nor in the /.rockbox/ folder in the same partition. |
| 23:06:32 | mdke | ah, it's not there any more |
| 23:06:37 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:06:39 | mdke | how odd |
| 23:06:54 | amiconn | (15) Ondio doesn't have 'calendar' |
| 23:07:03 | mdke | maybe because I rebooted it because unmounting it? |
| 23:07:11 | sharpe | i suppose. |
| 23:07:18 | mdke | ah, works |
| 23:07:38 | mdke | ok, "unmount, then reboot" could be added to the instructions :) |
| 23:07:48 | amiconn | (16) The %X background image tag isn't supported on non-colour targets (yet) |
| 23:07:48 | * | mdke checks to see if the wiki can be edited |
| 23:07:58 | * | sharpe notes that it can be edited |
| 23:08:07 | * | mdke does too |
| 23:08:31 | * | sharpe suggests mdke registers to edit it, or have someone edit it for him |
| 23:08:41 | mdke | yep, on my way |
| 23:09:34 | mdke | ugh, another wiki syntax :D |
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| 23:10:46 | amiconn | (17) The chapter about flashing is outdated |
| 23:12:19 | amiconn | (18) Some icons are missing (namely at least the modified double-note for .wav files, associated with the wavplay plugin, which is btw also missing) |
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| 23:14:03 | petur | amiconn: wait a bit so Febs can turn the page of his notebook ;) |
| 23:14:05 | amiconn | (19) The config options also don't match the target |
| 23:14:39 | amiconn | (too many details to check right now, but that's probably comparatively simple to fix later.) |
| 23:15:29 | amiconn | (20) The lcd screen sizes are incomplete, and the X5 remote is missing |
| 23:16:52 | mdke | ah i see, rockbox doesn't display stuff by tag, but by directory tree? |
| 23:16:58 | amiconn | Phew... enough for now |
| 23:17:17 | petur | mdke: you need to enable tagcache for that |
| 23:17:27 | petur | and browse by id3 tag |
| 23:17:48 | mdke | petur: will have a search, glad to hear it's supported :) |
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| 23:18:23 | amiconn | Hmm, seems I scared Febs away :( |
| 23:18:33 | petur | hahaha |
| 23:18:53 | * | pixelma likes to contribute missing Ondio screendumps |
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| 23:20:33 | sharpe | should i have a little check to make sure it's the right rom loaded in the emulator? |
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| 23:21:25 | sharpe | or should i just not ? |
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| 23:21:58 | petur | you should |
| 23:22:08 | sharpe | but how? |
| 23:22:25 | sharpe | like, a checksum, certain bytes, etc... |
| 23:22:40 | petur | or at least make sure you don't freeze the player if the wrong file is given |
| 23:22:56 | sharpe | yeh |
| 23:23:16 | sharpe | can't see how it'd freeze though. |
| 23:23:44 | sharpe | eh... |
| 23:23:48 | sharpe | yeah i do... |
| 23:23:55 | petur | well if your plugin crashes.... |
| 23:24:16 | sharpe | no... |
| 23:24:23 | sharpe | i don't... |
| 23:24:46 | sharpe | i don't see how the cpu emulator could crash from certain instructions... |
| 23:25:01 | mdke | is there anything I can do to maybe tweak the performance? the mp3 is skipping every 10 seconds or so at the beginning |
| 23:25:15 | mdke | after a while it seems to settle down tho |
| 23:25:18 | sharpe | don't use peakmeters? |
| 23:25:24 | sharpe | nor equalizer? |
| 23:25:36 | mdke | that sounds sensible |
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| 23:25:39 | mdke | General Settings? |
| 23:25:59 | petur | use a wps without peakmeters in them (see wiki for some wpsses) |
| 23:26:21 | sharpe | aye, or just browse themes in the main menu. general settings -> display -> browse .wps files |
| 23:26:37 | sharpe | that's for just the wpses if you wish to change that. |
| 23:27:14 | mdke | ok, will check it out, thanks a lot! |
| 23:27:22 | sharpe | heh, we're here all the time... |
| 23:27:22 | mdke | the skipping seems to have stopped at the moment anyhow |
| 23:27:33 | sharpe | because you're in the menu :) |
| 23:27:42 | mdke | ahhh |
| 23:27:53 | mdke | nice workaround :) |
| 23:28:08 | sharpe | lol... |
| 23:28:22 | * | mdke needs to add .wps files, he only has one |
| 23:28:37 | sharpe | gah, this will be the third time i go through the cpu emulation source to make sure each and every opcode is emulated correctly :'( |
| 23:29:03 | petur | mdke: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 23:29:16 | sharpe | and i'm pretty sure they are... however, something's wrong with a jump or call i assume... |
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| 23:30:25 | mdke | petur: thanks, was struggling to find that sort of page |
| 23:30:38 | sharpe | okay... i'll just go back to my plugin... |
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| 23:31:00 | mdke | you guys have done a great job, it sounds perfect |
| 23:31:16 | mdke | I'm well impressed |
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| 23:35:21 | * | petur orders a typing course for Infirit :p |
| 23:36:34 | Infirit | I am not that bad am I |
| 23:36:39 | Infirit | ? |
| 23:36:50 | petur | ;) |
| 23:37:33 | sharpe | woo, still wearing my sticker from the postal service. |
| 23:38:24 | petur | "Hooge afsnijd frequentie" |
| 23:38:56 | * | Infirit runs to his school books |
| 23:39:20 | Infirit | These where some of the last ones i did |
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| 23:39:53 | petur | also fixed a dt error (my favorite ones) |
| 23:41:52 | Infirit | Yes, i love those :) But overall your ok with it? |
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| 23:42:51 | petur | it's ok... I always feel uncomfortable with translated interfaces, it feels 'forced' to use only that language |
| 23:43:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:44:14 | petur | Infirit: you're Sander Sweers, right? |
| 23:44:35 | Infirit | yes I am :) |
| 23:45:21 | petur | done |
| 23:45:58 | Infirit | Hurray, now my next project, translaring the manual. |
| 23:46:04 | XavierGr | petur I will soon have a new greek.lang file for you :p |
| 23:46:04 | Mikachu | i guess you've heard all the swears jokes already |
| 23:46:22 | * | petur swears at cygwin |
| 23:46:25 | petur | :D |
| 23:46:48 | petur | XavierGr: is that also utf-8? |
| 23:46:51 | sharpe | yay cygwin |
| 23:47:28 | sharpe | well. all opcodes seem to be correct. |
| 23:49:18 | * | amiconn will take real photos of all his targets - showing (faked) "Ver. 3.0" |
| 23:49:38 | XavierGr | petur: I am not sure if Greek lang is in UTF-8 but I doubt it. |
| 23:49:43 | XavierGr | or.. |
| 23:49:47 | * | amiconn found a suitable light source arrangement |
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| 23:55:23 | * | mdke is embarassed but has _yet_ another question |
| 23:55:32 | mdke | seems I can't copy some files to my ipod |
| 23:55:37 | mdke | "invalid argument" |
| 23:56:04 | Mikachu | any funny characters in the name? such as ? or : |
| 23:56:16 | sharpe | not in a comical way though. |
| 23:56:24 | mdke | yes, accents, but lots of accents in files that work too |
| 23:56:51 | sharpe | any characters not supported by fat32? :) |
| 23:56:56 | mdke | actually, it's the only one with è, the others all have é and ê |
| 23:56:56 | Mikachu | are we using windows or linux? |
| 23:57:00 | mdke | linux |
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| 23:57:41 | Mikachu | mounting with the "utf8" flag? |
| 23:58:18 | mdke | iocharset=utf8 |
| 23:58:25 | Mikachu | not that one |
| 23:58:34 | mdke | /dev/sdb2 on /media/ipod type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) |
| 23:58:39 | Mikachu | i guess that doesn't hurt, but you want 'utf8' too |
| 23:58:42 | mdke | that's all I have, it is mounted automatically like that |
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