| 00:00:12 | Mikachu | if you convert è to utf-8 twice, it will contain a ", that's probably the problem |
| 00:01:49 | mdke | no, it still doesn't seem to like it |
| 00:02:37 | Mikachu | can you try it without the iocharset option then? |
| 00:02:41 | Mikachu | i'm not exactly sure what that does |
| 00:02:44 | mdke | yeah, I didn't have it that time |
| 00:02:52 | mdke | I removed the è from the name too |
| 00:02:57 | Mikachu | ah |
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| 00:03:00 | Mikachu | not that then |
| 00:03:04 | Mikachu | the disk isn't just full? |
| 00:03:10 | mdke | no, far otherwise |
| 00:03:40 | mdke | it has a lot of spaces |
| 00:03:44 | mdke | lemme get rid of those |
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| 00:04:45 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 00:05:05 | XavierGr | wtf!! |
| 00:05:19 | XavierGr | Filetype string buffer empty <- how am I supposed to translate this |
| 00:05:35 | mdke | Mikachu: i think the filename was just too long. I renamed it to {tracknumber.ogg} and it went in ok |
| 00:05:44 | Mikachu | hm, oky |
| 00:05:51 | sharpe | time to try my failed attempt... |
| 00:05:55 | mdke | is there a length limit do you think? |
| 00:06:08 | Mikachu | mdke: wait, did it have the same first few chars as another file? |
| 00:06:16 | Mikachu | mdke: your shortname=mixed raises some suspicions |
| 00:06:39 | petur | shortnames shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:06:46 | mdke | no, don't think it did |
| 00:06:55 | mdke | the first few characters were 04 - |
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| 00:13:13 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 00:13:43 | sharpe | this is... perplexing. |
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| 00:24:41 | Ironhand | I have a slightly offtopic question for any iAudio X5 experts... suppose I'm playing around with the harddisk contents and mess them up badly (no valid filesystem, invalid partition table, etc). Will the X5 still be able to power on as an USB mass storage device so I can fix the problem? |
| 00:24:50 | mdke | argh, a crash |
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| 00:25:38 | Bagder | Ironhand: I _think_ so but I'm not 100% sure |
| 00:26:03 | Bagder | the x5 bootloader is pretty clever in other aspects so I would expect it to be it in this too |
| 00:26:33 | Ironhand | thx... I'm planning to create a 2nd partition on it to store a tiny bootable debian install |
| 00:27:04 | earHertz | anyone here use the vmware debian to compile rockbox? |
| 00:27:05 | Ironhand | so the bootloader is stored entirely in flash memory, right? |
| 00:27:26 | Bagder | Ironhand: yes |
| 00:27:52 | Ironhand | ok, I'll just go ahead and try it then... thanks |
| 00:28:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I usually do, yes. |
| 00:28:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Though I'm using a vastly out of date version of the environment |
| 00:28:49 | mdke | argh, another crash. not good |
| 00:29:07 | mdke | is there anything helpful that can be got out of a crash? |
| 00:29:26 | sharpe | ah... |
| 00:29:35 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd:hoew do I connect the debian "box" directly to the ipod? |
| 00:29:39 | sharpe | not really... |
| 00:29:55 | XavierGr | Ironhand: I have small boot partion on my H140 with Knoppix inside. You can defintely do this. |
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| 00:30:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I don't do that. Heck, I disabled USB in mine because it kept trying to do it even when I didn't want it to. Can't help you unfortunately |
| 00:30:14 | mdke | sharpe: are 1st gen minis known to be a bit dodgy? |
| 00:30:25 | Ironhand | XavierGr: what bootloader do you use? (to load knoppix, not to boot the player itself) |
| 00:30:31 | sharpe | mdke: i believe somewhat, i may be wrong though. |
| 00:30:39 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
| 00:31:03 | mdke | sharpe: ok |
| 00:31:09 | earHertz | I really do like the wmware −− it's much faster and staBLER THAN i EXPECTYED |
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| 00:31:37 | tom_ | qemu! |
| 00:32:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | mdke: Definitely have had some reports of dodginess, but of course I've also had people respond "What are you smoking, I can't make mine freeze no matter how hard I try" |
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| 00:33:05 | mdke | Paul_The_Nerd: and is there anything I can do to help? in terms of maybe logs or something? |
| 00:33:06 | sharpe | i need to take some tylenol. or ibuprofen. or something. |
| 00:33:14 | Ironhand | XavierGr: ignore that question, I was just being lazy and 10 seconds of googling told me it's probably syslinux |
| 00:33:27 | sharpe | there is a logging implemented, you have to build rockbox with it enabled though. |
| 00:33:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | mdke: Honestly the more we know about what's happening as and immediately before it freezes the better. Most people just tell us "Well, I was playing music" which isn't too helpful. |
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| 00:34:19 | mdke | Paul_The_Nerd: so, you wanna know what _type_ of music? |
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| 00:34:47 | sharpe | then that'd narrow it down to the codec... :) |
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| 00:34:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | More like, is it mid-song, song transition, is the disk starting to spin up (buffering), what config options you have, whether changing any of them stops it from freezing, etc. |
| 00:34:59 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Congrats to the blue five-star :) |
| 00:35:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Thankee |
| 00:35:21 | earHertz | void screen_clear_area(struct screen * display, int xstart, int ystart, iint width, int height) DO? |
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| 00:35:39 | earHertz | er, what does it do? |
| 00:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Clear that portion of the screen, I would assume filling it with background color, or backdrop? Just my guess. |
| 00:35:58 | sharpe | clear an area of the screen... |
| 00:36:18 | sharpe | i'm so helpful. |
| 00:36:35 | patterson | barring unforeseen glitches , how hard is it to completely uninstall rockbox on a new 30gig video ipod ? |
| 00:36:58 | earHertz | It's damned expensive |
| 00:37:06 | sharpe | you'll explode! |
| 00:37:22 | patterson | heh. its not mine |
| 00:37:28 | sharpe | okay, they'll explode! |
| 00:37:34 | mdke | Paul_The_Nerd: ok. This time it was mid song, without changing any config options having just installed, except a new wps file |
| 00:37:48 | Bagder | patterson: you can completely remove rockbox leaving no trace |
| 00:37:49 | earHertz | screen_clear_area takes seven ticks on my ipod |
| 00:38:32 | patterson | thanks |
| 00:38:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | patterson: "ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin" then delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder and you're done. |
| 00:38:53 | earHertz | and all it is supposed to be doing is a memcpy (in lcd_fillrect) |
| 00:38:54 | mdke | Paul_The_Nerd: if there is a particular config you'd recomment I change, lemme know. I haven't seen a crash for a while now though, i figure it's gremlins |
| 00:39:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | mdke: Whatever it is, it's pretty close to gremlins yeah. =/ |
| 00:40:00 | mdke | meh, hate gremlins |
| 00:40:36 | sharpe | cousin of the troll? |
| 00:40:42 | Bagder | you fed them after midnight now again? ;-) |
| 00:41:01 | * | mdke looks at his watch |
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| 00:41:50 | petur | long time we had our troll in here... |
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| 00:48:05 | pjo | Hello! |
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| 00:49:01 | pjo | When iPod photo shows a grey scale folder icon at the boot, how can it be cured ? |
| 00:49:43 | pjo | tried to restore Apple firmware but Apple updater cannot mount ipod |
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| 00:50:05 | linuxstb | Did you force it into disk mode before trying to run the updater? |
| 00:50:29 | pjo | oh I forgot |
| 00:54:02 | pjo | i tried it with Disk Mode but neither Apple updater and Windows file explorer cannot find it |
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| 00:54:05 | XavierGr | Ironhand: Yes, though I had forget about it, it is syslinux. |
| 00:54:20 | pjo | ipodpatcher 4 works though |
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| 00:58:01 | sharpe | grrgle... |
| 00:58:34 | pjo | at this stage the only way is to format with HP USB ? |
| 00:58:41 | pixelma | is there a manual maintainer around, who is interested in Ondio screendumps? |
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| 01:03:21 | pixelma | ok, maybe someone reads it in the logs: here is a link where you can download the ones I made -> http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/Manual-Screendumps.zip |
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| 01:06:12 | linuxstb | pjo: What did you do to cause the folder icon to appear in the first place? |
| 01:08:30 | sharpe | it'd be nice if i could find that opera music... i've always wanted to know what it is, but i can't find it. :\ |
| 01:08:41 | sharpe | well, it may not be opera. |
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| 01:10:01 | Davide-NYC | any devs in? |
| 01:10:26 | Davide-NYC | I have a gig to go to tonight and wanted to test the latest AGC patch petur put up on my H140 |
| 01:10:31 | sharpe | possibly... |
| 01:10:41 | petur | yes |
| 01:10:43 | Davide-NYC | I got a wierd message when trying to configure make |
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| 01:11:36 | Davide-NYC | ../tools/configure: line 1042: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 01:11:37 | Davide-NYC | WARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path! |
| 01:11:39 | Davide-NYC | WARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the |
| 01:11:40 | Davide-NYC | WARNING: checks we want now. |
| 01:11:42 | Davide-NYC | Created Makefile |
| 01:12:13 | petur | I can't believe the patch causes that ;) |
| 01:12:29 | Davide-NYC | I don't think it does either |
| 01:12:41 | Davide-NYC | but is my makefile useable? |
| 01:12:41 | petur | it can't find your compiler |
| 01:12:50 | sharpe | do you not have the compiler installed? |
| 01:13:09 | Davide-NYC | I haven;t changed anything |
| 01:13:17 | Davide-NYC | I had it all working a week ago |
| 01:13:26 | petur | well something must have changed |
| 01:13:32 | sharpe | do you use cygwin? |
| 01:13:35 | Davide-NYC | yes |
| 01:13:38 | Davide-NYC | cygwin |
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| 01:14:04 | sharpe | have you run the setup utility anytime between now and when it was last working? |
| 01:14:37 | Davide-NYC | the cygwin setup utility? |
| 01:14:39 | Davide-NYC | no |
| 01:14:45 | sharpe | hmm |
| 01:15:03 | Davide-NYC | m68k-elf-gcc is an executable file? |
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| 01:15:45 | Davide-NYC | found it in C:\cygwin\opt\m68k\bin |
| 01:16:11 | petur | good, so maybe your path is wrong |
| 01:16:30 | Davide-NYC | do I cange the path in CMD.exe or in cygwin? |
| 01:16:43 | petur | cygwin |
| 01:16:43 | linuxstb | For now, you can simply type "export PATH=$PATH:/opt/m68k/bin" |
| 01:16:55 | Davide-NYC | in cygwin |
| 01:16:57 | Davide-NYC | ? |
| 01:16:58 | linuxstb | yes. |
| 01:17:00 | Davide-NYC | k |
| 01:17:32 | Davide-NYC | sweet! |
| 01:17:45 | Davide-NYC | question, where are the path settings kept? |
| 01:18:07 | Davide-NYC | I emptied my home folder before doing this so maybe I killed a settings file or something |
| 01:18:20 | linuxstb | Changing the PATH in /etc/profile would probably work. |
| 01:18:22 | sharpe | oh... that was funny... |
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| 01:20:43 | Davide-NYC | yup it says nothing of the \opt\m68k\bin directory in etc/profile |
| 01:20:47 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
| 01:20:53 | sharpe | spongebob talked to a peanut with a helmet sandy made... then sandy explained her nutuccino machine, and threw in the peanut spongebob talked to... spongebob heard the peanut's screams... spongebob had a mortified look on his face... |
| 01:21:22 | sharpe | sorry... |
| 01:22:04 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 01:22:34 | sharpe | ... |
| 01:22:40 | Davide-NYC | where is the best place to report bugs (should any arise) with the AGC patch, flyspray or the forums or where? |
| 01:22:55 | sharpe | flyspray! |
| 01:23:04 | Davide-NYC | is that unanimous? |
| 01:23:18 | sharpe | if it's only me, then yes. |
| 01:23:20 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:24:04 | petur | Davide-NYC: put a comment in the AGC patch |
| 01:24:32 | Davide-NYC | you mean on the agc patch page on flyspray |
| 01:24:40 | petur | yes |
| 01:24:43 | Davide-NYC | perfect |
| 01:24:44 | petur | add a comment there |
| 01:24:45 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
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| 01:26:36 | earHertz | this is a show for kids?? |
| 01:26:44 | sharpe | ? |
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| 01:27:01 | earHertz | screaming peanuts being chopped in pices? |
| 01:27:12 | sharpe | spongebob squarepants... |
| 01:27:59 | patterson | or college kids on drugs |
| 01:28:09 | Davide-NYC | I'm off to do some field testing |
| 01:28:12 | earHertz | oh, right |
| 01:28:13 | Davide-NYC | later |
| 01:28:17 | earHertz | forgot the stoners |
| 01:28:18 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
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| 01:28:46 | patterson | slightly more high brow crowd than tele tubbies |
| 01:28:49 | earHertz | any idea how memcpy is implemented ion teh ipod? |
| 01:28:52 | sharpe | it would've been funny if you had seen it... |
| 01:29:27 | patterson | or maybe slightly more verbal. and its funny enough |
| 01:30:01 | sharpe | earHertz: i'm guessing, a loop... |
| 01:30:12 | earHertz | ugh |
| 01:30:20 | sharpe | that not help? :) |
| 01:31:22 | earHertz | No, I was hoping for a dedicated machine instruction |
| 01:35:31 | sharpe | ah. |
| 01:35:56 | amiconn | Memcpy is asm optimised on all targets |
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| 01:37:09 | sharpe | i'm just going to stop answering questions. |
| 01:38:00 | amiconn | Dunno how efficient the arm implementation actually is - you'd have to ask preglow |
| 01:39:39 | earHertz | dumbass finally admits he's made a mistake, but he still can't proniouce abu ghraib |
| 01:40:33 | earHertz | um, Bush I mean |
| 01:41:14 | davidc___ | IIRC - we got better performance when we used one memcpy rather than another - so make sure you're using a good one |
| 01:42:29 | earHertz | davidc___: yeah. I unrolled a non-mmecpy loop in ipodvideo |
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| 01:46:03 | linuxstb | Hmmm. We don't seem to have an ARM memcpy.... Only memset so far. |
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| 01:47:03 | davidc___ | yeah, definitely use an optimized memcpy |
| 01:47:09 | davidc___ | it speeds a lot of things up |
| 01:47:18 | davidc___ | I dunno how much you all use memcpy though |
| 01:48:16 | earHertz | Here's what I've got: a memcopy, that in several chuiks. copies 74240 longs |
| 01:48:25 | linuxstb | We have it for the other targets, I guess no-one has got round to doing it for ARM yet. Hopefully gcc's memcpy isn't that bad. |
| 01:48:29 | earHertz | this is taking 7 ticks, or 70 ms |
| 01:50:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Afaik preglow added asm optimised memcpy a while ago... |
| 01:50:31 | davidc___ | linuxstb: we found one on the net |
| 01:50:54 | linuxstb | amiconn: I found a memset, but not a memcpy in firmware/common/ |
| 01:51:51 | amiconn | k |
| 01:52:22 | davidc___ | it was quite complex - but worked very well |
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| 01:53:39 | earHertz | where is that mmecopy defined? |
| 01:54:31 | Wiwie | good evening :P |
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| 01:54:43 | tom_ | any of you coders know much about format string attacks? :p |
| 01:55:28 | earHertz | I saw a show on Fox, "When Format Strings Attack" |
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| 01:55:48 | tom_ | no, I'm being serious :) |
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| 01:56:39 | davidc___ | tom_: which kind? DOS or actual code execution? |
| 01:56:47 | tom_ | actual code executions |
| 01:57:14 | tom_ | do you know how it's done and such davidc___ ? |
| 01:57:28 | davidc___ | tom_: not really. I know the general idea, but never done it in practice |
| 01:57:32 | Wiwie | you guys are still hard-working? :D |
| 01:57:53 | tom_ | I was on about it earlier, i've got qemu running an old version of redhat 6.2 as a test bed |
| 01:58:05 | tom_ | with some vulnerable programs running that I want to learn about. |
| 01:58:23 | midkay | amiconn, ah @ intl.ization v2. that word is pretty general, so i just assumed it meant the lang rework/v2 commit. |
| 01:58:58 | midkay | funny thing about wikis.. everybody can edit them.. ;) |
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| 02:05:53 | mdke | I activated TagCache and nothing plays, any idea what this could be? |
| 02:06:32 | earHertz | doesw tachecache showw lists of albums, etc? |
| 02:06:46 | linuxstb | Yes, but don't tell Creative... |
| 02:06:51 | mdke | earHertz: yeah |
| 02:07:01 | mdke | earHertz: if I go back to "Supported" view, it works again |
| 02:07:05 | earHertz | and what happends when you attempt to play a tracks? |
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| 02:08:24 | mdke | earHertz: nothing seems to happen |
| 02:08:47 | mdke | oh no, it works now |
| 02:08:52 | mdke | a couple of reboots has done the trick |
| 02:08:53 | earHertz | good\ |
| 02:09:05 | mdke | gremlins again :) |
| 02:09:06 | mdke | thanks anyway |
| 02:09:32 | earHertz | :) |
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| 02:26:41 | Wiwie1 | gn8, gf8 |
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| 02:56:16 | sharpe | hey... |
| 02:56:19 | sharpe | everyone... |
| 02:58:55 | midkay | sharpie!!!!!@@!@!@!!@! |
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| 02:59:09 | sharpe | midkay! |
| 02:59:22 | midkay | sharpeeeeeeeeee! |
| 02:59:27 | sharpe | what's up? |
| 02:59:50 | midkay | not much, talking to an old friend. you? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:17 | sharpe | slightly tired... could be happier. |
| 03:01:10 | sharpe | i can't figure out the problem with the SIDE port's cpu... |
| 03:01:33 | midkay | :S |
| 03:01:49 | sharpe | everything seems to be exactly the same as it is in side |
| 03:02:15 | midkay | what's the probbo? |
| 03:02:16 | sharpe | however it still just, apparantly jumps to a location repeatedly, or something. |
| 03:02:38 | sharpe | so therefore it practically freezes the game, however the cpu is still executing. |
| 03:03:16 | sharpe | and it just keeps going in a loop |
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| 03:04:38 | midkay | hm. :\ |
| 03:04:55 | sharpe | and it would really suck if it wasn't my fault, like if a few bytes got changed during the rom's transfer to my ipod. :) |
| 03:05:48 | sharpe | but i really doubt that's the case. |
| 03:06:44 | midkay | where, uh.. where did you get these roms, sharpe? eh? eh? you made them yourself, right? from a legit, owned source, right? :) |
| 03:07:22 | sharpe | yes. i just so happen to have, an original arcade version of space invaders, and i dumped the rom's contents... |
| 03:08:31 | sharpe | doesn't everyone? |
| 03:08:39 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:08:43 | midkay | sitting by your, pc, right? |
| 03:08:49 | midkay | mint condish, eh? |
| 03:08:54 | sharpe | er, yes. |
| 03:09:02 | midkay | yeah, and you decided to.. you know. dump the rom contents. |
| 03:09:06 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 03:09:10 | midkay | with your.. rom readers and stuff. |
| 03:09:14 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:09:14 | midkay | perfectly believable. |
| 03:09:17 | sharpe | totally. |
| 03:09:50 | midkay | absopositively. |
| 03:10:49 | sharpe | yep. did it in the name of... er... curiosity. so i decided to port SIDE to rockbox, and use my perfectly legally obtained roms from the original space invaders arcade game. |
| 03:11:24 | | Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 03:11:51 | midkay | yeah. precisely. |
| 03:11:57 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:12:09 | midkay | like. here's my lovely vintage space invaders arcade game. why not do a rockbox port. |
| 03:12:19 | sharpe | exactly what i was thinking. |
| 03:12:39 | midkay | :D :D :DDDDD |
| 03:13:11 | sharpe | it's not a problem with the rom though. |
| 03:13:15 | sharpe | it works fine in SIDE |
| 03:14:01 | midkay | ha. |
| 03:14:07 | midkay | it'd be a funny typo, if like.. |
| 03:14:09 | midkay | you forgot a space there. |
| 03:14:14 | midkay | so you said "it works fine inSIDE". |
| 03:14:17 | midkay | like. "inside". |
| 03:14:18 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 03:14:26 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:14:50 | sharpe | yeah, those pesky outdoors screws with my rockbox port. |
| 03:16:03 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:17:30 | sharpe | on a lighter note, i got a case for my ipod |
| 03:18:13 | midkay | on an even lighter note, we could Factions 2gether. |
| 03:18:31 | sharpe | i played it for fifteen minutes earlier. |
| 03:18:39 | midkay | ooh. gratz. |
| 03:18:42 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:18:47 | sharpe | died six times. |
| 03:18:50 | midkay | enough for the week, or what? |
| 03:18:51 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:18:54 | midkay | how the hell. |
| 03:19:04 | midkay | do you play with henchmen or people? |
| 03:19:10 | sharpe | henchmen |
| 03:19:15 | midkay | hm.. |
| 03:19:20 | midkay | are you in a guild? |
| 03:19:23 | sharpe | nay. |
| 03:19:33 | midkay | ah, i shall invite you then. :) |
| 03:19:41 | sharpe | it was in the last mission on that one continent... the first one. |
| 03:19:42 | midkay | much more fun game with other guys around.. |
| 03:19:46 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:19:49 | midkay | erm.. |
| 03:19:53 | midkay | zen.. daijung? |
| 03:19:56 | sharpe | yes... |
| 03:20:01 | midkay | yeah. that one was tough.. |
| 03:20:05 | sharpe | yep... |
| 03:20:06 | midkay | *was*.. |
| 03:20:18 | sharpe | i've my other character done with it, but still. |
| 03:20:23 | midkay | level up some more, and you want some good armor.. |
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| 03:21:22 | sharpe | it was really the combination of the death penalties, and that plagued air, and the afflicted necromancers... |
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| 03:21:44 | midkay | it can be tough, especially with a hench group. |
| 03:21:49 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 03:21:50 | midkay | you should let me help you with it. :) |
| 03:21:58 | sharpe | heh, alright. |
| 03:23:51 | midkay | anytime soon? busy? :) |
| 03:23:53 | sharpe | woo! wore a postal service sticker all day. |
| 03:24:03 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:24:05 | sharpe | i'll be on in a minute, must travel downstairs to do so. |
| 03:24:14 | earHertz | chicks dig that postal sticker |
| 03:24:17 | midkay | oh, alright, mr. Mimikry! |
| 03:24:21 | midkay | earHertz!!!!!! |
| 03:24:27 | earHertz | midkay |
| 03:24:28 | sharpe | damn straight they do. |
| 03:24:29 | earHertz | ! |
| 03:24:43 | midkay | earHertz, i must confess, i've fallen madly in love with you. |
| 03:24:47 | sharpe | it left a mark on my shirt... |
| 03:24:48 | earHertz | midkay: you install my patch? |
| 03:24:59 | earHertz | the mark of th ebeast-nerd |
| 03:25:00 | sharpe | either that, or... |
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| 03:25:05 | midkay | earHertz, which? |
| 03:25:16 | earHertz | midkay: the one that increases fps |
| 03:25:16 | XavierGr | ? |
| 03:25:27 | XavierGr | what are tou people talking about? |
| 03:25:28 | midkay | earHertz, why would i install that worthless thing? |
| 03:25:38 | midkay | XavierGr, uh, a game, some randomness, and earHertz's patch! |
| 03:25:42 | earHertz | midkay: for an extra frame each second? |
| 03:25:55 | midkay | earHertz, yes, THAT worthless thing. |
| 03:26:16 | earHertz | every millisecond is a gain |
| 03:26:20 | XavierGr | at least put a smilie midkay |
| 03:26:35 | midkay | XavierGr, earHertz knows it's there mentally. :) |
| 03:26:42 | earHertz | XavierGr: it's OK ;), I'm used to midkay. I taught him to code |
| 03:26:43 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 03:26:44 | midkay | it comes later anyways. |
| 03:26:46 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:26:46 | midkay | wtf. |
| 03:26:58 | midkay | you wish you were that good, earHertz.. :) |
| 03:27:03 | earHertz | well, your first rock the clock thing? |
| 03:27:09 | midkay | damn wannabe hax0r. :) |
| 03:27:12 | XavierGr | are you related or something? |
| 03:27:13 | midkay | rock the clock? what? :) |
| 03:27:20 | earHertz | XavierGr: no |
| 03:27:37 | midkay | XavierGr, earHertz can take jokes.. i think. :) |
| 03:27:40 | earHertz | midkay: firast cut had some inefficiencies |
| 03:27:59 | midkay | earHertz, i remember your teaching me the bool switching. |
| 03:28:03 | midkay | randombool != randombool. |
| 03:28:04 | midkay | :) |
| 03:28:12 | sharpe | i learned that on my own! |
| 03:28:15 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:28:17 | earHertz | and about using arraysrather than ifs, I think |
| 03:28:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:28:21 | midkay | sharpe, are you on? |
| 03:28:30 | sharpe | nope, talking to a friend... |
| 03:28:41 | sharpe | ah |
| 03:28:44 | sharpe | it may take a while. |
| 03:28:51 | midkay | earHertz, i don't know any place in the code i could ever have or even currently use arrays instead of ifs? maybe a switch-case? *shrugz* |
| 03:28:59 | midkay | sharpe, np, just wondering if you were waiting.. |
| 03:29:05 | midkay | cauze i didn't see you online. |
| 03:29:05 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:29:30 | earHertz | yeah, like a case. Index into an array rather than explicitly calculate a value |
| 03:30:07 | * | midkay does the one-half-lowered-one-half-raised eyebrow thing |
| 03:30:11 | earHertz | like what I did in id3.c |
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| 03:30:33 | midkay | what on earth did you do in id3.c?! |
| 03:30:56 | midkay | i knew it was your fault that the viewer is glitched beyond usage. |
| 03:31:03 | midkay | that's the earHertz signature. :) |
| 03:31:05 | sharpe | hahah... |
| 03:31:13 | earHertz | repl ced a lot of ifs with a strcuts and some function pointers |
| 03:31:18 | * | midkay nods |
| 03:31:25 | midkay | that's EXACTLY what would cause such awful behavior. |
| 03:31:59 | earHertz | the point was to get teh same behavior with less code. Remmeber, this was for the archios, with its limited code space |
| 03:32:27 | midkay | and the point was not achieved. you achieved... erratic, useless behavior with less code. |
| 03:32:35 | midkay | just kidding. hadja fooled. |
| 03:32:39 | midkay | works lovely. :D:D:D |
| 03:32:44 | sharpe | lol... |
| 03:32:50 | earHertz | it's been in the cvs unlatered for years. It works fine. ;) |
| 03:32:59 | midkay | sure it does. :) |
| 03:33:10 | midkay | i'll in fact blame the scrolling problem i had to fix myself on you though. |
| 03:33:14 | midkay | the incorrect iPod mappings. |
| 03:33:24 | earHertz | what scrolling problem? |
| 03:33:37 | midkay | turning the wheel back scrolled down, and forward scrolled up. |
| 03:33:47 | midkay | i had to switch around two whole defines. |
| 03:33:52 | midkay | you oughta be ashamed. |
| 03:33:56 | earHertz | not my doing |
| 03:34:00 | midkay | sure. sure. |
| 03:34:28 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 03:34:32 | daurn|laptop | midkay |
| 03:34:37 | daurn|laptop | stop complaining |
| 03:34:48 | midkay | :) |
| 03:34:52 | sharpe | i confess. it was my fault. |
| 03:34:58 | midkay | hahaha.. |
| 03:35:18 | daurn|laptop | you still shouldn't have complained |
| 03:35:20 | daurn|laptop | XD |
| 03:35:39 | * | midkay slaps daurn|laptop around a bit with a huge hammer.. right back, in fact, to #archopen. |
| 03:35:43 | sharpe | damn me and my cvs access. |
| 03:35:59 | midkay | sharpe, yes, damn you and your cvs access.. to hell. |
| 03:36:05 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:36:07 | midkay | even if everybody missed that change. |
| 03:36:09 | midkay | i noticed it. |
| 03:36:13 | sharpe | mmhmm. |
| 03:36:14 | midkay | i saw you slip that into cvs. |
| 03:36:20 | midkay | with your langv2 commit. |
| 03:36:27 | sharpe | most definitely. |
| 03:36:38 | midkay | yeah. |
| 03:36:43 | midkay | using the -h cvs option. |
| 03:36:48 | midkay | "hide changes". |
| 03:36:52 | midkay | what a .. slicko. |
| 03:37:06 | sharpe | yeah. i've been making unnoticed commits all these... months. |
| 03:37:08 | midkay | i'm just lucky that i haven't had to fix it since. |
| 03:37:22 | midkay | yeah, i know you introduced all those playback bugs. |
| 03:37:36 | midkay | lostlogic's rework was 100% *perfect*. but each time you inserted a new bug. |
| 03:37:43 | sharpe | yeah. i sabotaged the playback code with my extensive knowledge of it. |
| 03:37:43 | midkay | and he'd discover+fix it, and you'd pop in another. |
| 03:38:08 | sharpe | i also remotely updated everyone's cvs, so they wouldn't notice the difference. |
| 03:38:15 | midkay | yeah, damn hackers. |
| 03:38:24 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:38:31 | midkay | oh, and by the way. i did in fact notice your sabotaging of the 5g LCD driver. |
| 03:38:43 | midkay | i remember it clearly operating at >100fps. |
| 03:38:47 | sharpe | did i forget to use -h?! |
| 03:38:56 | midkay | oh, no, no, i just use a firewall. |
| 03:38:59 | midkay | so i'm safe from hackers like you. |
| 03:39:03 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 03:39:13 | midkay | i saw you slip in those unnecessary calls. |
| 03:39:21 | sharpe | good ol' 200fps 5g driver... |
| 03:39:26 | midkay | i was hoping earHertz would catch them before i had to tell him what they were. |
| 03:39:31 | midkay | yeah. and i know you use it on your build. |
| 03:39:36 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:39:42 | midkay | enjoying lovely, uninterrupted skipfree playback. |
| 03:39:48 | sharpe | that's how i get those crazy fps reports in the plugins. |
| 03:40:00 | midkay | forcing us good samaritans to endure skips, lack of EQ/crossfeed, and slow updates. |
| 03:40:08 | midkay | yeah. pff. |
| 03:40:37 | sharpe | it was also me that kept the cpu from being clocked over it's real speed. 1.2ghz. |
| 03:40:44 | midkay | :o |
| 03:40:46 | midkay | it's all clear now. |
| 03:40:53 | midkay | and you changed everything on the INTERNET. |
| 03:40:55 | midkay | to read 75mhz. |
| 03:40:58 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 03:41:05 | sharpe | i'm skilled like that. |
| 03:41:10 | midkay | nobody will bother trying 1.2ghz. cause they think it'll blow their player up. |
| 03:41:18 | midkay | well i got news for you, mister. |
| 03:41:29 | midkay | i'm gonna. |
| 03:41:31 | midkay | prove that. |
| 03:41:35 | midkay | it's. you know. |
| 03:41:40 | midkay | more powerful than previously expected. |
| 03:41:50 | midkay | so watchUrBack(). |
| 03:41:59 | sharpe | i don't have that declaration!! |
| 03:42:03 | midkay | (^ that's a void) |
| 03:42:05 | midkay | static void. |
| 03:42:22 | sharpe | ... |
| 03:42:25 | sharpe | not static! |
| 03:42:30 | midkay | oh, my bad. |
| 03:42:33 | midkay | just a. you know. |
| 03:42:35 | midkay | void. |
| 03:42:40 | sharpe | pointer? |
| 03:42:44 | midkay | yes. |
| 03:42:52 | sharpe | ah. |
| 03:42:55 | sharpe | right. |
| 03:43:03 | midkay | so. |
| 03:43:10 | midkay | now that your evil has been exposed to the world. |
| 03:43:25 | midkay | who's up for a bit of, um, well, you know, uh, you, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, uh, eh?! |
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| 03:43:55 | sharpe | eh, in a little bit, still talking to a friend who i may get to visit on the 17th/18th/19th |
| 03:44:10 | midkay | friends with benefits, or..? |
| 03:44:21 | sharpe | sadly, no. |
| 03:44:24 | sharpe | hah... |
| 03:44:31 | midkay | ah, female then? |
| 03:44:34 | midkay | hohoho. |
| 03:44:35 | midkay | :) |
| 03:44:38 | sharpe | lol. |
| 03:44:40 | * | midkay giggles to self. |
| 03:44:43 | midkay | did you see what i just did there. |
| 03:44:48 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:44:51 | sharpe | i did. |
| 03:44:51 | midkay | i made it seem as though you were a homosexual. |
| 03:44:53 | midkay | huhu. |
| 03:44:56 | midkay | that's funny to me. |
| 03:44:57 | sharpe | that's classical humor. |
| 03:45:19 | sharpe | apparently i'll be the only one, here, going to visit. |
| 03:45:32 | midkay | brb.. |
| 03:45:33 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:45:34 | sharpe | all her other friends can't make it. |
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| 03:56:39 | ckuethe | can anyone send me the first couple of megs of firmware of a 60GB ipod video? i accidentally DD'd something over mine. :P |
| 03:56:52 | sharpe | you can get it from the ipod updater... |
| 03:57:03 | sharpe | oh.. eh... |
| 03:57:59 | ckuethe | yeah... i'll try |
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| 04:25:42 | webguest27 | lively group tonight... |
| 04:26:43 | midkay | haha. |
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| 04:41:30 | midkay | sharpie!! |
| 04:42:28 | midkay | sharpe!?!??! |
| 04:44:57 | sharpe | ah |
| 04:44:59 | sharpe | eh |
| 04:44:59 | sharpe | hey. |
| 04:46:08 | midkay | cyamaaaaan. |
| 04:46:18 | sharpe | g'bye. |
| 04:46:51 | midkay | wtf. |
| 04:46:54 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:46:59 | midkay | that's pronounced "come on". |
| 04:47:08 | sharpe | wha? |
| 04:47:09 | midkay | i don't know if you've ever seen family guy. |
| 04:47:13 | midkay | peter. |
| 04:47:16 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:47:16 | midkay | cyaa maaaaaaaan. |
| 04:47:19 | midkay | caaamaaaaaaaaaan! |
| 04:47:23 | sharpe | oh |
| 04:47:25 | sharpe | right. |
| 04:47:27 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:47:28 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:47:30 | midkay | so. |
| 04:47:34 | midkay | lit. COME ON. :) |
| 04:48:50 | sharpe | what? |
| 04:48:59 | midkay | factions! |
| 04:49:03 | midkay | new updated just came out too. |
| 04:49:07 | midkay | *checks release notes* |
| 04:49:17 | sharpe | heheh |
| 04:49:19 | sharpe | ah |
| 04:49:30 | sharpe | give me a minute... |
| 04:49:45 | midkay | loverly. |
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| 04:54:48 | sharpe | http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17602 |
| 04:55:21 | midkay | you wouldn't be bored if you were Factioning! |
| 04:55:27 | sharpe | it's funny though. |
| 04:55:31 | midkay | *views* |
| 04:55:48 | midkay | sigh. |
| 04:57:13 | * | midkay does the weird eyebrow thing |
| 04:57:35 | Mikachu | ~_~ |
| 04:57:48 | midkay | mikamika! |
| 04:59:11 | midkay | you know sharpe. i'm becoming convinced you don't want to Factions avec moi. |
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| 05:00:28 | gppo | I have a question |
| 05:00:54 | gppo | does the calculator in the plugin do intergration or anything to do with area under the curve |
| 05:01:00 | sharpe | no. |
| 05:01:07 | sharpe | sorry. |
| 05:01:09 | gppo | I was using my ipod, and was thinking trying to do |
| 05:01:27 | gppo | and am I mistaken, but does x^y work |
| 05:01:28 | sharpe | but with a long series of formulas you could! |
| 05:01:38 | midkay | fine sharpe. just fine. |
| 05:01:45 | sharpe | i'm going downstairs now. :) |
| 05:01:45 | midkay | i'll go questing then. alone. |
| 05:01:48 | midkay | alright then. |
| 05:01:52 | midkay | c'est que je sais. |
| 05:01:52 | midkay | :) |
| 05:01:56 | sharpe | heh |
| 05:02:10 | midkay | ('that's what i thought' for the retarded and/or french illiterate!) |
| 05:02:14 | gppo | I could not get x^y to work when x = 512 and y = 2/3 |
| 05:02:29 | midkay | how would you enter 2/3 for y? |
| 05:02:32 | gppo | using the calculator in 2nd mode |
| 05:02:37 | midkay | you'd end up with 512 ^ 2 / 3 |
| 05:02:46 | midkay | i believe.. |
| 05:03:14 | gppo | cuase you don't have y^sqrt(x^n) |
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| 05:03:46 | gppo | but you do have sqrt(x) but that is for 2^sqrt(x) |
| 05:03:58 | midkay | erm. |
| 05:04:00 | midkay | :) |
| 05:04:03 | gppo | :) |
| 05:04:17 | gppo | but even simple 8^3 |
| 05:04:23 | midkay | doesn't work? |
| 05:04:27 | gppo | for e.g. didn't funcion |
| 05:04:32 | gppo | NOpe |
| 05:04:58 | gppo | was it my bulid, but if I used the 1nd and used 2^2 |
| 05:05:06 | gppo | or x^2 it did work |
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| 05:05:35 | midkay | weird.. |
| 05:05:40 | midkay | i might end up looking into it.. |
| 05:05:44 | gppo | it the ipod mini 2g |
| 05:05:44 | midkay | away for a bit now though. |
| 05:05:47 | midkay | thx |
| 05:05:54 | gppo | thanks |
| 05:06:02 | gppo | just a suggestion, thier gpl algebraic software |
| 05:06:13 | gppo | forget the name, but you can brower thier code |
| 05:06:18 | gppo | and just give them credit |
| 05:06:23 | midkay | we could.. :) |
| 05:06:38 | gppo | cuase if the ipod can do area under the curve, and draw the graph wow |
| 05:06:54 | gppo | I didn't know that the ipod had a fpu or alu |
| 05:06:59 | gppo | that could do big calculation |
| 05:07:09 | gppo | I tought it was 16 bit |
| 05:07:12 | midkay | shouldn't be a prob other than a lot of work :) |
| 05:07:27 | gppo | I suck at asm, is rock box coded in asm |
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| 05:16:25 | Aghaster | hi |
| 05:16:36 | ashridah | gppo: most of it's in C. |
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| 05:16:53 | ashridah | gppo: but some drivers, initialization code, optimised rotunes for codecs, etc are in platform specific assembly |
| 05:17:00 | earHertz | but if you know asm, you can often figure out what asm teh C will vcompile to ;) |
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| 05:18:30 | Aghaster | meh, there is so much blind people who wrote in the mailing list today. But i always wondered how blind people managed to use a computer, might be quite hard to do everything with a text-to-speech program that dictates everything you are currently doing |
| 05:18:30 | gppo | I took a course on asm last semster |
| 05:18:34 | gppo | what a headache |
| 05:18:42 | gppo | it very good to know, and I know the basic |
| 05:18:55 | earHertz | Aghaster: or they can use a braile pad |
| 05:19:15 | Aghaster | yeah, but that doesnt help you to read text |
| 05:19:21 | earHertz | gppo: knowing teh asm well ill help you write efficient c code |
| 05:19:37 | earHertz | Aghaster: sure it does; there are braiol pads that connect to t a pc |
| 05:19:39 | Aghaster | I try to imagine myself programming with a braile pad and a text-to-speech software. |
| 05:20:01 | Aghaster | hum? you mean it outputs the characters to the braille pad so blind people can read? |
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| 05:20:05 | earHertz | the braile pad is an OUTPUT device, not an input device |
| 05:20:11 | Aghaster | oh! |
| 05:20:16 | earHertz | yeah :) |
| 05:20:19 | Aghaster | :P |
| 05:20:22 | Aghaster | quite interesting |
| 05:20:40 | earHertz | I lived with ablind guy once |
| 05:20:43 | Aghaster | there is a blind programmer who wrote a lot about text-to-speech in rockbox today in the mailing list |
| 05:20:51 | Aghaster | i dunno if you are on the list too |
| 05:20:54 | gppo | Aghaster seen I have add, and was requestion for extra time during exam, IN the office at my univeristy I was reading this maginze or journal about disabilty and employement, what got me was his phd in computer scinces , he was chinesee born in america and he worked for HP, but he was blinded, or could only see very very very very litte, he had some eye problem from kid , but the moral of the story is he works as a comp eng for hp and they sho |
| 05:20:59 | earHertz | on devel or on user list? |
| 05:21:22 | Aghaster | i'm on both... lol |
| 05:21:27 | gppo | I didn't get the title of the mag, but it was great story about him, he said his parnets always wanted no less then a A+ in his grades, so he worked his ass off |
| 05:21:30 | earHertz | no, tjhe blind stuff |
| 05:21:35 | Aghaster | this makes a *huge* amount of emails per day XD |
| 05:21:51 | earHertz | I only read devel |
| 05:21:53 | gppo | Aghaster the moral is, or my point is, blind people are comp eng also which is strange |
| 05:22:06 | Aghaster | yeah |
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| 05:22:08 | gppo | he says he spends his day coding, but he is blind but works for a big company like hp |
| 05:22:21 | Aghaster | well, if i was blind, i think i'd be like them. nothing would stop me from programming |
| 05:22:25 | Aghaster | lol |
| 05:22:36 | gppo | Aghaster but they never or I didn't finish read it, but didn't read how he programs |
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| 05:22:47 | Aghaster | k |
| 05:22:55 | gppo | just cool storry made me happy |
| 05:23:20 | Aghaster | whats interesting is that the text-to-speech program they intented to modify for rockbox supports esperanto... or has made an attempt to support it |
| 05:23:31 | gppo | but again hmm I wish the calculator in roxbox could do the area or volume e.g. area under a curve |
| 05:23:45 | Aghaster | esperanto is very easy to support in fact, as it contains no diphtongs and has an entirely regular pronunciation |
| 05:23:58 | gppo | Aghaster they want to help with the development e.g. code to the text to speach cool |
| 05:24:10 | earHertz | Aghaster: it has NO dpthongs? |
| 05:24:12 | Aghaster | yeah, there has been like 30 emails about it |
| 05:24:26 | Aghaster | earHertz: Nope. each letter has an independant pronuncation |
| 05:24:37 | gppo | wow, with the world being so poltically correct it odd that thier no ipod for blind people feature |
| 05:24:41 | earHertz | Aghaster: strange. Most esperanto advocated seem to be dips. |
| 05:24:42 | gppo | in regular ipod |
| 05:24:43 | * | earHertz ducks |
| 05:24:54 | Aghaster | earHertz: like what word? |
| 05:25:05 | gppo | hmm, but I see my dad cellphone as number to speach |
| 05:25:12 | earHertz | no, I was calling esperanto supporters dips. a joke |
| 05:25:14 | gppo | each time he click a number it say "three" or such |
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| 05:25:15 | earHertz | a nerd joke |
| 05:25:21 | Aghaster | uh |
| 05:25:30 | * | earHertz is funnier on slashdot |
| 05:25:31 | gppo | his cellphone has textpad to speach |
| 05:25:37 | * | Aghaster reminds you you are speaking to an esperantist |
| 05:25:43 | gppo | my old is 83, so it helps him dial the number |
| 05:25:46 | gppo | dad |
| 05:26:03 | ze | gppo: at that age its almost appropriate to call him your old |
| 05:26:06 | ze | :p |
| 05:26:15 | * | earHertz points and chants "nerd" |
| 05:26:16 | gppo | is thier someting in the munal on how to use the ipod with roxbox while it connected to the usb |
| 05:26:18 | ze | gppo: probably not nice though |
| 05:26:42 | gppo | I think select and menu |
| 05:27:05 | gppo | ze that only feature I requested was that the calculator in the ipod could do intergration |
| 05:27:09 | gppo | area under a curve |
| 05:27:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | gppo: Apple patented a speech system for iPod recently that's remarkably similar to ours. |
| 05:27:23 | gppo | Paul_The_Nerd wow it seem new |
| 05:27:41 | Mikachu | gppo: maybe you should implement the basic functions first :) |
| 05:27:42 | gppo | I don't seem to see how a blind person, would know which playlist to pick |
| 05:27:52 | gppo | Mikachu hhahhahaah me :( |
| 05:28:07 | Mikachu | implement/request someone implement |
| 05:28:07 | gppo | yes, i will try but it will take me 10 years, I am slow at programing |
| 05:28:32 | gppo | how about a hp49 emulator, it gpl also |
| 05:28:50 | Mikachu | one problem is calculators have 60 buttons, the ipod has 5 |
| 05:29:14 | Aghaster | XD |
| 05:29:22 | gppo | oh that true, but adding intergration, since I see it has sin cos and tan and it also has tan^-1 etc |
| 05:29:33 | gppo | make it 3nd |
| 05:29:43 | gppo | you have 1nd and 2nd and then 3nd |
| 05:30:05 | gppo | or scroll down |
| 05:30:29 | gppo | oh well I will stop ranting, it just a geeky idea, no real use for anyone else |
| 05:30:38 | Mikachu | some sort of gesture combination with the wheel could be fun |
| 05:33:25 | gppo | but what is the command to use rox box while the ipod is chraging is thier any |
| 05:33:51 | Mikachu | it doesn't charge so fast in rockbox, but if you want to, hold menu when you plug it in |
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| 05:34:45 | gppo | k |
| 05:35:25 | gppo | I had one last question, for ever since I got my ipod, is thier a wireless solar soultion to charge ipods or such or would not be a slow proccess |
| 05:35:37 | gppo | say I am walking for couple of hours, and it about to die |
| 05:36:08 | gppo | I would like to patent that idea |
| 05:36:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are solar chargers for iPod out there |
| 05:36:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've seen a few, I think ThinkGeek.com has one |
| 05:36:48 | Mikachu | gppo: you can't patent it after you talk about it on irc |
| 05:37:24 | gppo | :( |
| 05:42:09 | gppo | Soldius 1 Solar Charger |
| 05:42:09 | gppo | Efficient |
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| 06:10:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have commit access, or are on the "Developers" list on the Flyspray tracker, and use the forums, could you please PM me with your username in the forums? I'm trying to create a "Developers" group, much like the one on flyspray and elsewhere, but I don't know entirely who uses the forums, or what their names are in the cases of those of you that it differs slightly. |
| 06:12:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, do you need a PM, or is a "moi" in IRC enough? :) |
| 06:12:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know you're midk over there |
| 06:12:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, you were in the test batch. |
| 06:12:44 | midkay | cool. :) |
| 06:12:51 | midkay | gratz on the adminship, btw. |
| 06:13:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now you guys get 3 blue stars. |
| 06:13:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Eventually you'll probably have a miniaturized [Rockbox] logo in that place |
| 06:13:37 | midkay | cool. :) thanks.. |
| 06:13:58 | midkay | hm. |
| 06:14:02 | midkay | i think it should be renamed 'developer'.. |
| 06:14:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right |
| 06:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Done |
| 06:14:18 | midkay | it's a group for developers, but under the name it looks weird.. |
| 06:14:25 | midkay | aha. :) |
| 06:14:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 06:14:34 | midkay | merci. :) |
| 06:14:40 | * | midkay admires :) |
| 06:14:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm also planning a group for people who aren't strictly devs, but who strive to be helpful, and supportive with answers. |
| 06:14:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, like I used to be. |
| 06:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kinda "Rockbox Expert" or something |
| 06:15:09 | midkay | ah, awesome. :) sounds like a great idea.. |
| 06:15:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I haven't settled on a name. |
| 06:15:34 | midkay | people who can be trusted to give accurate, helpful answers.. |
| 06:15:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | The idea is to sorta help new users when three people have answered their question, so they have a little more to go on than just "He has 300 ports, and he has 280... so..." |
| 06:15:42 | midkay | rockbox expert sounds really good IMO.. |
| 06:15:51 | midkay | right. |
| 06:15:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *just* thought of it when I was typing that line, actually |
| 06:16:00 | midkay | can't think of a better one :) |
| 06:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | The other idea is that both Devs and Experts get unlimited PMs instead of having a cap based on # of posts. |
| 06:16:59 | midkay | there's such a restriction? |
| 06:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 06:17:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | At Hero Member you only have 50 |
| 06:17:07 | midkay | i wonder why.. |
| 06:17:17 | midkay | sounds pretty useless. |
| 06:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Saves on storage space with particularly large forums, I suppose. |
| 06:17:51 | midkay | i can't see people with two posts getting more than one or two PMs.. |
| 06:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it starts at 20ish |
| 06:18:08 | midkay | but, whatever floats .. *checks* .. SMF 1.1 RC2's boat ... :) |
| 06:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:19:28 | midkay | haha, cool. |
| 06:19:31 | midkay | you split up the iPod forums. |
| 06:19:37 | midkay | i was literally JUST going to suggest that.. |
| 06:19:54 | midkay | i just went to check if there was anything else to mention splitting up for, and noticed. |
| 06:20:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suggested it a while ago. Bagder forwarded it to Jeff. Jeff probably lost it since he's a busy guy. I PMed him to ask if he'd gotten it. He told me to do it. :) |
| 06:20:15 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:20:21 | midkay | suggestion.. |
| 06:20:26 | midkay | split photo/color and nano into seperate.. |
| 06:20:31 | midkay | quite different models. |
| 06:20:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oddly enough though, they seem to mostly fall into the same category for bugs. |
| 06:21:00 | midkay | really? |
| 06:21:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | _mostly) |
| 06:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not entirely |
| 06:21:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | The hardware of the Nano is a mix of 5G and 4G |
| 06:21:21 | midkay | oh. sure. |
| 06:21:23 | midkay | but i mean like.. |
| 06:21:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:21:26 | midkay | everything else about it.. |
| 06:21:34 | midkay | WPS', storage, you know.. |
| 06:21:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't want to overload with iPod boards though. |
| 06:22:04 | midkay | i'd say the 5G and Photo/Color are more similar than the Nano and Photo. |
| 06:22:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kinda felt bad giving the 5G a board of its own, but since it has the broadcom chip and everything, it's a pretty different beast in the end. |
| 06:22:29 | midkay | also i think the nano probably is the largest portion of iPod rockbox users. |
| 06:22:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, the 5G is definitely the largest portion, if you go by the number of posts from users. |
| 06:22:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'll split Photo and Nano |
| 06:23:01 | midkay | hard to say, i don't visit that so much.. |
| 06:23:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can merge them later if necessary |
| 06:23:08 | midkay | seems like the nano is far more popular though. |
| 06:23:10 | midkay | cool. :) |
| 06:23:23 | midkay | what's five boards versus four ;) |
| 06:24:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also corrected the spelling to "Color" since we seem to roll that way. |
| 06:24:30 | midkay | really inconsistent, it seems.. |
| 06:24:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:24:36 | midkay | in .lang files, it's "color".. |
| 06:24:40 | midkay | in Rockbox, it's "colour".. |
| 06:24:52 | midkay | either way, doesn't matter much to me. :) |
| 06:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:25:28 | midkay | hm. |
| 06:25:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | By the way, if you notice your name at the bottom, it's in Rockbox Yellow. Is that an acceptable color, do you think? |
| 06:25:46 | midkay | just a proposal, i wonder if the "new ports" subforum thingamabob should be put into the "new ports" category. |
| 06:26:11 | midkay | hm. it's a bit hard to see against the white.. |
| 06:26:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's _only_ in that list anyway |
| 06:26:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just couldn't pick a color, so a suggestion is welcome |
| 06:26:28 | midkay | yeah, not bad though. |
| 06:26:33 | midkay | hard to say what would look good.. |
| 06:26:38 | midkay | maybe dark blue? |
| 06:26:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Global Mods are already a different blue |
| 06:27:02 | * | midkay sighs |
| 06:27:03 | midkay | :) |
| 06:27:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 06:27:10 | midkay | what about a darker yellow? like orange? |
| 06:27:18 | midkay | darkish orange might be good. |
| 06:27:28 | midkay | rather different than red, but easy to read.. |
| 06:27:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like that? |
| 06:27:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's more a darker yellow |
| 06:27:58 | midkay | lovely time for pages not to load.. |
| 06:28:07 | midkay | there we go.. yeah, looking better. :) |
| 06:28:17 | midkay | does it go even slightly darker, i wonder? |
| 06:28:25 | midkay | curious how it might look |
| 06:28:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | How 'bout that? |
| 06:29:23 | midkay | ah, liking it. |
| 06:29:26 | midkay | looks like gold almost. |
| 06:29:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Works for me. |
| 06:29:51 | * | midkay takes it into photoshop for the hell of it :) |
| 06:30:48 | * | daurnimator runs |
| 06:32:32 | midkay | are you setting it by RGB? |
| 06:32:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yessir |
| 06:32:50 | midkay | what's it currently? |
| 06:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | #CC9E00 |
| 06:34:04 | midkay | can you try be8f00? |
| 06:34:06 | midkay | slightly darker even. |
| 06:34:12 | midkay | +that is.. |
| 06:34:45 | sharpe | wheee... |
| 06:34:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | My LCD sucks. How's it look? |
| 06:34:57 | midkay | sharpe, haha. |
| 06:34:59 | midkay | i neglected you. |
| 06:35:03 | sharpe | it's okay. |
| 06:36:05 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, better IMO.. |
| 06:36:10 | midkay | maybe not *quite* there. :) |
| 06:36:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright |
| 06:37:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I scared everyone off. I add new forums and suddenly no posts AT ALL |
| 06:37:41 | midkay | b88e00? |
| 06:37:43 | midkay | hahahahah |
| 06:37:51 | midkay | last one, i think.. prettyplease :) |
| 06:38:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehe |
| 06:38:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok |
| 06:38:37 | midkay | has it changed? |
| 06:39:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Went to double check |
| 06:39:20 | midkay | hardish to tell, but looks fine i think.:) |
| 06:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good enough for now. It's not like it's set in stone. |
| 06:39:29 | midkay | quite readable. |
| 06:39:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 06:39:38 | midkay | yeah. i'll bitch about it more soon enough. :) |
| 06:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:39:47 | midkay | i love it, actually. :) |
| 06:39:51 | midkay | stupid admins get red.. |
| 06:39:56 | midkay | devs get lovely, luxury gold. |
| 06:39:58 | midkay | :D |
| 06:40:05 | midkay | the rest of them better bow down. :) |
| 06:40:09 | sharpe | what does sharpe get? |
| 06:40:14 | midkay | sharpe gets Rockbox Expert. |
| 06:40:19 | midkay | aka puke green. |
| 06:40:22 | sharpe | yayy! |
| 06:40:23 | sharpe | nay... |
| 06:40:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Glowing green, actually |
| 06:40:39 | midkay | vomit, puce, horrible, mustard green. |
| 06:40:45 | sharpe | i don't like mustard. |
| 06:40:55 | midkay | it'd be cool if there were more colors in the world that like. some of them had a strong effect on you. |
| 06:41:12 | midkay | e.g. some color called.. say.. gragh.. would make you feel quite sick to your stomach. |
| 06:41:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm trying to decide on conditions for entry into the "Rockbox Expert" group |
| 06:41:22 | sharpe | you mean that had a straight connection between visual and your physical being? |
| 06:41:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, how about, if they're suggested+deemed experts! :) |
| 06:41:38 | midkay | sharpe, one could say that infact. |
| 06:41:40 | sharpe | or sharpe! |
| 06:41:42 | sharpe | lol... |
| 06:41:43 | sharpe | sorry. |
| 06:41:51 | midkay | er. what? :p |
| 06:41:53 | sharpe | i have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 06:42:03 | sharpe | i am incoherent this... morning... |
| 06:42:04 | midkay | je ne sais pas. |
| 06:42:18 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:42:23 | midkay | je suis avec stupide. |
| 06:42:35 | midkay | −−−−-> |
| 06:42:38 | sharpe | :( |
| 06:42:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, I think they either have to be someone I hand pick, or someone nominated by someone I've picked, in the end. I'd like to keep it a reliable group who don't _just_ shunt people to the wiki. |
| 06:42:40 | midkay | arrow pointing at sharpe. |
| 06:43:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally, they'd answer the question partially, or provide some help as well as information on how to look up future queries in the wiki with new users. |
| 06:43:07 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right.. i think just giving a small number of people the title and leaving it open for suggestion would be good.. |
| 06:43:30 | midkay | btw, is there any way to change the color of that group text? |
| 06:43:45 | midkay | i'm slightly "worried" about it being recognized as like a custom title or something. |
| 06:43:58 | midkay | if you could do something more powerful with it.. |
| 06:44:04 | midkay | maybe bold it, or.. you know.. |
| 06:44:12 | midkay | "Official Rockbox Expert" maybe. *shrugs* |
| 06:44:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't do anything with it, as far as I know |
| 06:44:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | They _do_ get the stars though |
| 06:44:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox Experts get three green stars |
| 06:44:39 | midkay | maybe Position or something? |
| 06:44:40 | midkay | ah.. |
| 06:44:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like Moderator stars but not as many |
| 06:44:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Devs get 3 blue stars |
| 06:44:54 | * | midkay nods |
| 06:45:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | EVENTUALLY Developers will get a small version of the [ROCKbox] logo |
| 06:45:07 | sharpe | from what i've gathered, forums, right? |
| 06:45:08 | midkay | Position: Rockbox Expert |
| 06:45:12 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, why not now? :) |
| 06:45:13 | midkay | sharpe, sure.. |
| 06:45:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because I can't upload the image |
| 06:45:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have to send it to Jeff |
| 06:45:24 | midkay | ah.. |
| 06:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have the .gif made |
| 06:45:30 | midkay | how big is it |
| 06:45:30 | midkay | ? |
| 06:45:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | 60 pixels wide, if I recall |
| 06:45:43 | sharpe | the gif could have the letters, "dev" printed on it... |
| 06:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it's just a 60x18 [ROCKbox] logo scaled down |
| 06:46:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I need one for the experts though, so I can just send both at once. |
| 06:46:20 | sharpe | "exp" ? |
| 06:46:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. I'm terrible at graphics. Hehehe |
| 06:47:10 | sharpe | i'm like, *okay* |
| 06:47:15 | sharpe | with graphics... |
| 06:47:19 | midkay | hm.. |
| 06:47:29 | midkay | i'm *above average*. ;) |
| 06:47:34 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'll gladly accept submissions. :-P |
| 06:47:50 | midkay | i asked about the dimensions because.. did you see what i did for the devcon logo? |
| 06:47:54 | midkay | i wanted to try something like that.. |
| 06:48:01 | midkay | add a little something to it. |
| 06:48:40 | sharpe | how can you not have simulated screen images in an animated commercial? |
| 06:48:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, the rules for the expert group will be sorta strict. Everything needs to be constructive, so even if you don't like a feature-request style idea, it'll need to be constructive as to why you think it's a bad idea for Rockbox, etc. I'll be fully willing to remove people from said group if I feel they aren't a positive influence on the forums. :) |
| 06:49:06 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, sure.. |
| 06:49:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, 60x18 is what I've got right now. I took the Rockbox100.png scaled it down to 60% size, and used it. |
| 06:49:13 | midkay | i don't expect new additions/removals very often. :) |
| 06:49:19 | midkay | ah.. |
| 06:49:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Modifications were made to it though, to fix the color changes making it a GIF caused |
| 06:49:30 | midkay | any dimension limits, other than "what won't be *too* big"? |
| 06:49:53 | sharpe | why not just use another png? |
| 06:50:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally no more than 80 pixels wide, and 16 tall |
| 06:50:02 | sharpe | er, have the scaled image as a png. |
| 06:50:11 | midkay | hmm. |
| 06:50:22 | midkay | i'll do some work. |
| 06:50:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I randomly decided to convert it to gif because at that size it was fine, and the rest of the stars are gifs. |
| 06:50:33 | midkay | i can clip off the black border + bottom line so it can be as big as possible.. |
| 06:50:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The stars are 16x16, and I don't want it to be bigger than 5 stars |
| 06:50:51 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, sounds fine |
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| 06:52:17 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 06:57:49 | sharpe | gah... pain... |
| 06:58:35 | sharpe | oh hey, midkay, are you still there? |
| 06:58:43 | midkay | yep? |
| 06:58:51 | midkay | what'd you do to induce pain?! |
| 06:59:00 | sharpe | staying awake |
| 06:59:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, Experts are green, right? |
| 06:59:04 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:59:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:59:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least right now |
| 06:59:22 | sharpe | would you care to look at the source for the side port sometime? see if you can figure out something... |
| 06:59:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was already a #FF0000 and an #0000FF group, so I said "Hey, what about #00FF00" |
| 06:59:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not so creative |
| 06:59:43 | midkay | sharpe, i'd be quite honored. :) |
| 06:59:45 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:59:45 | sharpe | but you are balanced. |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:19 | midkay | k, a quick 'expert' icon attempt.. |
| 07:00:28 | sharpe | would you wish it in patch form, or source file form? |
| 07:00:40 | midkay | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2065/rockboxexpert3gj.gif |
| 07:00:47 | midkay | i would in fact wish for a source file. |
| 07:01:09 | sharpe | alright. email, or such? |
| 07:01:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think that image is actually quite acceptable |
| 07:01:16 | midkay | hm, a bit weird on top of white.. |
| 07:01:27 | midkay | looks better on top of gray, IMO.. wonder how it seems against blue. :) |
| 07:01:36 | sharpe | why not just have the "expert" in black, instead of green? |
| 07:01:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, cool, i can do one with red text for developers too :) |
| 07:01:42 | midkay | matches the star color!! |
| 07:01:50 | sharpe | it'd be more readable... |
| 07:01:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Sounds good. Make them 82x18 actually if you could. A one-pixel black border. |
| 07:02:09 | midkay | your mom's more readable under.. er... fluorescent lighting... !! |
| 07:02:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The stars will be gone. |
| 07:02:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | The images replace them |
| 07:02:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, right. |
| 07:02:20 | midkay | well. |
| 07:02:23 | sharpe | heh... |
| 07:02:25 | midkay | we retain some color element. :) |
| 07:02:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think the green is plenty readable |
| 07:02:30 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, how about a blue "admin" one? |
| 07:02:41 | midkay | or.. red? |
| 07:02:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'll leave the Admin's stars as they are. |
| 07:02:45 | * | midkay is semi-lost |
| 07:02:49 | midkay | alright. |
| 07:02:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't want to go tinkering with Linus' or Jeffs' stars. :-P |
| 07:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jeff's |
| 07:03:14 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:03:19 | midkay | actually not a bad idea.. |
| 07:03:27 | midkay | the stars are like, full power.. |
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| 07:03:41 | midkay | little icons denote a not-so-powerful but nonetheless special position. |
| 07:03:42 | sharpe | like, mario. only instead of mushrooms, stars... |
| 07:03:46 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 07:03:59 | midkay | email, sharpe. |
| 07:04:04 | sharpe | alright. |
| 07:04:09 | sharpe | any specific one? |
| 07:04:50 | midkay | nah, just anything that comes to mind. |
| 07:04:57 | sharpe | alright. |
| 07:05:03 | sharpe | lets see... pick a name. |
| 07:05:05 | midkay | haha. *pictures some random loser receiving some space invaders emulator code* |
| 07:05:21 | sharpe | and the he goes on to make millions with it. |
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| 07:05:25 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:05:28 | sharpe | with my luck, anyway. |
| 07:05:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think most people who receive random source in the mail probably have a virus-panic |
| 07:06:05 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:06:13 | sharpe | so like, address? |
| 07:06:57 | midkay | midkay ASJDFASDKADF at. g mail, sans a space, plus a little period thing, and a "comma" minus "ma". |
| 07:07:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hahaha. |
| 07:07:20 | sharpe | hahah. |
| 07:07:53 | * | midkay loves coming up with new inventive ways to fool spambots |
| 07:08:25 | sharpe | hath been senteth. |
| 07:10:59 | midkay | merthi. |
| 07:11:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd? |
| 07:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes? |
| 07:12:12 | midkay | you want them 82x18? that's quite bigger.. |
| 07:12:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought I said 80x16 was the limit? |
| 07:12:34 | midkay | <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Sounds good. Make them 82x18 actually if you could. A one-pixel black border. |
| 07:12:41 | midkay | i gave you 68x18 ones.. |
| 07:12:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 07:12:46 | midkay | because 80x18 would stretch them. |
| 07:12:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
| 07:12:56 | midkay | i'd be glad to modify them to widen without stretching though. |
| 07:12:58 | midkay | more yellow space.. |
| 07:13:02 | midkay | more room for text also. |
| 07:13:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 70x20 then |
| 07:13:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | No more yellow space |
| 07:13:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just the black pixel border |
| 07:13:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 07:13:17 | midkay | you sure? might look nicer. :) |
| 07:13:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, it can be wider |
| 07:13:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | But no taller |
| 07:13:32 | midkay | 18 high? |
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| 07:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | 18 + 2 black pixels |
| 07:13:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | And width preferable 78 + 2 black then |
| 07:14:07 | midkay | so 80x20 including border. |
| 07:14:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maximum on width, it can be less if it looks funny |
| 07:14:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yessir |
| 07:14:14 | midkay | gotcha. :) |
| 07:14:24 | sharpe | so... |
| 07:14:26 | sharpe | what am i doing? |
| 07:15:05 | midkay | sitting around. |
| 07:15:08 | midkay | sleeping. somewhat. |
| 07:15:14 | midkay | dying constantly. |
| 07:15:21 | sharpe | meh |
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| 07:18:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, I was getting panicky |
| 07:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It had been an hour 'n a half since anyone made a new post, I was worried I'd somehow broken something. |
| 07:19:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had to post something as a normal user just to see if it was still possible |
| 07:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 07:19:25 | sharpe | wow. |
| 07:19:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was kinda worried I'd somehow taken away everyone's posting permissions or something |
| 07:20:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:20:10 | sharpe | heheh |
| 07:20:19 | midkay | hmm. |
| 07:20:23 | sharpe | ahh! |
| 07:20:29 | sharpe | i have a position? |
| 07:20:39 | midkay | http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5316/rockboxexpert23jb.gif |
| 07:20:43 | midkay | how's this? |
| 07:20:51 | midkay | redone with new dimensions + positioning. |
| 07:20:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Looks good |
| 07:21:06 | sharpe | looks nicer than the last one |
| 07:21:11 | midkay | not sure if the text is better slanted or straight. i'm a fan of slanted, but at such lowres... :\ |
| 07:21:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think straight is more readable in this situation |
| 07:21:31 | sharpe | i'd choose straight in small graphics... |
| 07:21:46 | midkay | yeah. |
| 07:21:56 | midkay | i liked the slant i gave the devcon logo, but we have fewer pixels to work with here.. |
| 07:22:02 | midkay | antialiasing only helps so much |
| 07:22:09 | sharpe | roughly 60% fewer? :) |
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| 07:25:42 | midkay | haha. |
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| 07:25:50 | midkay | vs the 400x123 i was working with.. |
| 07:25:53 | midkay | nee. |
| 07:25:53 | midkay | :) |
| 07:25:56 | sharpe | :) |
| 07:26:02 | Apostle^ | anyone else experienced FAT file system errors after installing rockbox? |
| 07:26:04 | midkay | http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5752/rockboxdeveloper8ax.gif - dev one! |
| 07:26:10 | Apostle^ | happens every time i try to install it on ipod nano |
| 07:26:12 | sharpe | Apostle^: can't say i have. |
| 07:26:16 | Apostle^ | but the apple firmware works fine |
| 07:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apostle^: What kind of errors exactly? |
| 07:26:48 | Apostle^ | well, dmesg tells me |
| 07:26:49 | sharpe | corrupt partitions? |
| 07:26:55 | Apostle^ | it's a file cluster or file chain error |
| 07:27:04 | Apostle^ | and then the ipod is remounted read-onlu |
| 07:27:07 | Apostle^ | only* |
| 07:27:17 | Apostle^ | happend so far after 3 fresh ipod restores |
| 07:27:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Looks good. I'll send them on to Jeff probably tomorrow, once I've slept on it and am 100% sure this is how I want to divide and name things. :) |
| 07:27:31 | midkay | cool. :) |
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| 07:27:50 | midkay | http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2824/rockboxadmin6zl.gif |
| 07:27:52 | midkay | just for fun. :) |
| 07:27:58 | sharpe | heheh |
| 07:27:59 | midkay | what you loser 5-star guys could have. :) |
| 07:28:10 | sharpe | tempting them, are we? |
| 07:28:19 | Apostle^ | i had rockbox on this same nano before, and it never gave me this problem.. |
| 07:28:25 | midkay | :DD |
| 07:28:32 | midkay | nobody can resist the sex appeal of my graphic art. |
| 07:28:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apostle^: Out of curiosity, do you have anything else USB powered connected to your PC? |
| 07:28:53 | Apostle^ | such as? |
| 07:29:02 | Apostle^ | i have a mouse with a wireless usb receiver |
| 07:29:10 | Apostle^ | and i use a bluetooth headset with a wireless usb stick |
| 07:29:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anything else that receives power by way of USB. I've had strange troubles with my nano when both it and an external HD are being powered by USB |
| 07:29:23 | Apostle^ | none of which are new to the picture |
| 07:29:41 | Apostle^ | no external hd's here |
| 07:29:48 | Apostle^ | just 2x 200gb internal |
| 07:30:00 | sharpe | i fried a usb hub. and all subsequent connected usb devices to it. one time... |
| 07:30:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 07:30:25 | midkay | anything useful connected? |
| 07:30:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dunno. I would suspect that the problem isn't Rockbox related. |
| 07:30:30 | sharpe | wireless mouse |
| 07:30:38 | midkay | haha. how the hell did you do that. |
| 07:30:40 | sharpe | usb flash drive |
| 07:30:49 | sharpe | that's it, if i remember correctly. |
| 07:30:58 | midkay | haha. i can imagine the look on your face. |
| 07:31:04 | sharpe | "Damn." |
| 07:31:06 | midkay | :'( |
| 07:31:10 | sharpe | well, they were both a gift. |
| 07:31:20 | midkay | hmhmhmhmhmhHMHhmhHHMHMhhHhahahAHAHahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaa.. aaah.. hahahaaaahh... |
| 07:31:23 | Apostle^ | so no one has any ideas on my problem |
| 07:31:31 | Apostle^ | i'd say a corrupt hd but since the nano uses flash memory........ |
| 07:31:40 | Apostle^ | and the apple firmware works fine |
| 07:31:41 | midkay | ... you'd say corrupt flash memory. |
| 07:31:44 | midkay | ;) |
| 07:31:52 | sharpe | you have it on a usb hub, right? |
| 07:31:54 | Apostle^ | no |
| 07:32:00 | sharpe | okay. |
| 07:32:03 | Apostle^ | standard connection |
| 07:32:03 | sharpe | just wondering. |
| 07:32:41 | Apostle^ | i guess it's for the best |
| 07:32:46 | Apostle^ | since the rockbox battery life does blow |
| 07:32:59 | Apostle^ | i'll miss the games though ;-P |
| 07:33:08 | midkay | thanks, Apostle^. we appreciate your compliments. |
| 07:33:19 | Apostle^ | well i wouldn't say it if it wasn't true |
| 07:33:26 | Apostle^ | i was a happy rockbox user till it stopped working |
| 07:33:34 | midkay | just joshin' ya. |
| 07:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apostle^: You can still have a corrupt disk even with flash memory. Flash can have bad sectors, or a bad FAT or various other problems. A scandisk may be in order. |
| 07:33:44 | Apostle^ | i use linux |
| 07:33:55 | Apostle^ | whats the equivelant of skandisk ? |
| 07:33:59 | sharpe | a fsck may be in order. |
| 07:34:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | fsck? |
| 07:34:11 | Apostle^ | whats the cmd fsck /dev/sda2 ? |
| 07:36:01 | sharpe | it would seem so |
| 07:38:09 | Apostle^ | hm it said 1) correct |
| 07:38:14 | Apostle^ | i hit 1 but it didn't correct |
| 07:38:30 | Mikachu | you have to give a switch to actually do stuff, by default it's in readonly mode |
| 07:38:48 | Apostle^ | ahh, what switch? |
| 07:38:53 | Mikachu | -r |
| 07:39:16 | Apostle^ | it's working now i'll leave it alone i guess |
| 07:39:23 | Apostle^ | since i'm not going back to the rockbox firmware anyway |
| 07:39:34 | sharpe | that makes us sad. :) |
| 07:39:49 | Apostle^ | it's just buggy |
| 07:39:50 | Mikachu | we don't want quitters on our team |
| 07:39:54 | Apostle^ | and slow changing songs etc |
| 07:40:02 | Apostle^ | and did i mention the battery life blows |
| 07:40:09 | sharpe | yes, multiple times :) |
| 07:40:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as it's not for users yet, that's kinda understandable. |
| 07:40:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, slow changing songs? |
| 07:40:47 | Apostle^ | whats not for users yet |
| 07:40:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox on iPod |
| 07:41:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's still in fairly early development and is primarily for developers and people willing to help find bugs. |
| 07:41:12 | Apostle^ | well i used it for a few months without a problem |
| 07:41:20 | Apostle^ | then the fat file system errors |
| 07:41:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's usable, but the development efforts are still going into fixing things rather than polish |
| 07:42:03 | Apostle^ | i'll try it again later than |
| 07:42:08 | Apostle^ | maybe on my next ipod or whatever |
| 07:42:25 | Mikachu | ps i was joking, no hard feelings |
| 07:42:31 | Apostle^ | i'm all for open source i use linux on all my pc's |
| 07:42:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox is for people who want to use it anyway. |
| 07:42:43 | Apostle^ | but right now the apple firmware works best for me |
| 07:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | No harm if Apple does what you want. Most of us found it lacking too much. |
| 07:43:01 | Mikachu | Apostle^: i think the (optimistic) target date for the ipod release is in november |
| 07:43:09 | Apostle^ | only thing I wish it had was the ability to be skinned |
| 07:43:11 | Mikachu | if you want to try again later |
| 07:43:13 | Apostle^ | that was sweet |
| 07:43:24 | Mikachu | there are crazy windows tools to do that |
| 07:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, always with the visuals. |
| 07:43:28 | Mikachu | feel free to google |
| 07:43:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPodWizard, no? |
| 07:43:37 | Apostle^ | i'm on linux |
| 07:43:38 | sharpe | aye. |
| 07:43:43 | Mikachu | feel free to use wine |
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| 07:44:12 | Apostle^ | wine doesn't pick up ipods |
| 07:44:19 | Apostle^ | i remember trying it with the ipod restore utility |
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| 07:57:24 | BHSPitMonkey | should still work, though... |
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| 08:53:13 | patterson | i have no idea. but the SpeedFan guy probably knows all about smart .. http://www.almico.com/speedfan428.exe |
| 08:53:26 | patterson | oops |
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| 09:30:37 | annoyingnewbie | and er...chea |
| 09:30:42 | annoyingnewbie | rs in advance |
| 09:33:03 | annoyingnewbie | hellos? |
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| 10:01:47 | JdGordon | evening all |
| 10:02:29 | dj-fu | hihi. |
| 10:02:33 | dj-fu | how's things |
| 10:02:40 | JdGordon | ye not bad |
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| 10:16:37 | embrion | hi |
| 10:16:46 | midkay | hello |
| 10:17:06 | embrion | can rockbox port at ipod mini play music by folders? |
| 10:17:23 | midkay | yes, it's designed to.. |
| 10:17:46 | midkay | rockbox is a file browser, that also has the ability to sort your music by tag (artist, album, etc..) |
| 10:18:08 | embrion | and finally full ums i believe |
| 10:18:58 | midkay | erm.. |
| 10:19:03 | embrion | and how about non english chars in tags? |
| 10:19:09 | midkay | rockbox doesn't change a thing about the way a PC sees your iPod.. |
| 10:19:27 | midkay | and iPods already have a UMS mode as far as disk access. |
| 10:19:31 | embrion | oh yes, i've read about it |
| 10:19:39 | midkay | unicode? works with several fonts.. |
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| 10:20:41 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide |
| 10:20:51 | embrion | thx :) |
| 10:21:03 | midkay | no prob |
| 10:21:08 | midkay | brb |
| 10:21:27 | embrion | ok |
| 10:23:12 | Antioch | is it just me, or does the rockbox firmware not want to turn on when activated from the remote while the main unit is on hold? |
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| 10:51:04 | Zendefera | hey guys |
| 10:51:53 | markun | hi |
| 10:52:13 | Zendefera | I have a ipod video 30gb, and I have a problem, I use the voice directorys=spell, and voice files=talk mp3 clips, when playing music, the mp3 clips for the file names aren't spoken, but if I put rb into voice files=spell, it'll speak. for some reason it is not mixing in the mp3 clips, any ideas? |
| 10:53:02 | markun | no, sorry |
| 10:53:34 | Zendefera | oh one other question where can I get the ipod patch for getting the click sound to come out of the ipod as you move along the click wheel |
| 10:53:49 | Zendefera | is it the pizo driver? |
| 10:53:54 | Zendefera | or how ever you spell it. |
| 10:54:34 | markun | petur: you committed francais.lang with a bom at the beginning.. |
| 10:54:43 | midkay | piezo.. the patch is a basic driver for it, but i'm not sure if it's working.. |
| 10:55:12 | petur | markun: I'm an encoding noob |
| 10:55:42 | petur | cygwin screws up utf-8 files I think |
| 10:55:44 | Antioch | Using paint, what file format should I save bmps as for use with a wps? |
| 10:55:55 | Antioch | what bit-setting |
| 10:55:58 | markun | petur: I think Moos' editor is the problem |
| 10:56:19 | petur | what is exactly wrong? |
| 10:56:28 | * | petur wants sto learn something new |
| 10:56:28 | Antioch | 24bit? 16bit? |
| 10:57:19 | markun | petur: the first 3 chars: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/lang/francais.lang.diff?r1=1.61&r2=1.62 |
| 10:57:26 | markun | I fixed it |
| 10:58:42 | petur | markun: I saved it to utf-8 with devstudio - my bad probably |
| 10:59:06 | petur | I'm gonna stay away from utf-8 lang files |
| 10:59:42 | markun | I've also committed lang files with a bom a few times |
| 10:59:50 | markun | they are invisible in utf-8.. |
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| 11:01:37 | petur | what's a bom? |
| 11:02:17 | ender` | byte order mark? |
| 11:02:18 | markun | byte-order-marker |
| 11:02:19 | markun | yes |
| 11:02:22 | petur | ah |
| 11:02:47 | petur | not bill of material ;) |
| 11:02:54 | markun | used in UTF-16 to specify if it's little or big endian |
| 11:03:34 | petur | markun: what editor do you use (if you're on windows) |
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| 11:07:03 | markun | petur: when I'm at my girlfriend's house I use notepad2 sometimes, but I don't know how it handles the bom |
| 11:07:38 | petur | I was looking for a tool that detects file encoding but found none :( |
| 11:08:18 | embrion | where can i find some screenshots from rockbox ipod mini port? |
| 11:08:32 | embrion | like browsing, settings etc |
| 11:08:51 | midkay | in the manual? |
| 11:09:18 | markun | petur: with notepad2 you can choose between utf-8 and 'utf-8 with signature' |
| 11:09:39 | embrion | thx |
| 11:10:15 | embrion | well...most os them are "WARNING! Image not found" |
| 11:11:22 | midkay | some of them aren't. |
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| 11:11:42 | midkay | rockbox looks the same on everything anyhow, with the exception of a bit of color on the color targets. |
| 11:11:54 | Zendefera | is there any documentation on rb's audio interface? |
| 11:11:56 | bluebrother | embrion: this is just because the ipod mini isn't finished yet −− you could try the 3.0 release targets (archos and iriver), screens look mostly similar. |
| 11:12:44 | embrion | thx, i'll check them out |
| 11:13:33 | markun | Zendefera: I think there isn't and you just have to wade trough all the code to figure out how it works |
| 11:14:09 | Zendefera | markun, ok. thx |
| 11:14:47 | petur | markun: indeed, I opened my local francais.lang and it says utf-8 with signature. Will have a look at the file from Moos to. |
| 11:16:52 | bluebrother | embrion: you could also try out the other ipod manuals, according to my build script the mini and x5 have the most missing pictures −− all other are only 1 or 2 missing. |
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| 11:19:17 | petur | markun: the file Moos posted also has the bom and it has cr-lf line ending. |
| 11:19:22 | petur | phew |
| 11:19:34 | embrion | bluebrother: currently i'm looking at iriver manual and it looks like it have all or almost all |
| 11:19:40 | embrion | *it has |
| 11:20:03 | bluebrother | iriver shouldn't have any missing pictures. |
| 11:20:41 | embrion | you could add fm radio to ipod mini ;) |
| 11:21:26 | JdGordon | stupid patch program!! |
| 11:22:06 | romanpress | id3 v2.4 tags don't work properly on rockbox... mostly it says untagged, there are tags on the pc |
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| 11:24:05 | embrion | i've had sandisk sansa and it had some problems with seeking vbr mp3s, what about rockbox? |
| 11:24:19 | petur | lol |
| 11:25:31 | markun | embrion: there were some problems with files bigger than the buffer (bigger than 30MB). Don't know if they've been fixed. |
| 11:26:10 | embrion | markun: no probb, i'dont have such big mp3s |
| 11:27:13 | embrion | but i've read that mpc seeking doesn't work so well as mp3 |
| 11:27:20 | embrion | still true? |
| 11:28:16 | petur | embrion: I think it got fixed |
| 11:28:32 | Zendefera | when is rb 3.0 due to be released? |
| 11:30:12 | bluebrother | on monday I think. |
| 11:34:49 | Zendefera | anyone in here use the voice features of rb? |
| 11:34:59 | Zendefera | bluebrother thanks. |
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| 11:52:21 | * | linuxstb wonders why we need six ipod forums. |
| 11:52:59 | dj-fu | ipod is where it's at. |
| 11:53:09 | Zendefera | linuxstb, hey, can I ask you something? |
| 11:53:50 | Zendefera | why when you set voice directories/filenames to talk mp3 clips, the mp3 clips don't play when playing an mp3?, but if you set voice directories/files to spell it works? |
| 11:53:57 | linuxstb | I mean, I just don't like the idea of even more splitting of Rockbox users by target - Rockbox is Rockbox... |
| 11:54:30 | Zendefera | linuxstb I agree. |
| 11:55:10 | linuxstb | Zendefera: Sorry, I don't really know anything about the voice UI in Rockbox. |
| 11:55:22 | Zendefera | np man, thanks anyways. |
| 11:58:55 | markun | linuxstb: but I think it's nice to have a 'new ports' forum |
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| 12:14:54 | JdGordon | linuxstb: i agree... but you do need to split it up somehow.. unless u start splitting it up like the code.. i.e colour targets, sw/hw codec.. etc |
| 12:15:10 | JdGordon | and have a section for all general bug discussion.. r something |
| 12:16:13 | embrion | is it just my computer or simulators doesn't work to well? |
| 12:16:27 | JdGordon | bit of both..? |
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| 12:17:30 | embrion | when i try to play some mp3s, windows show some error window about dll |
| 12:17:56 | embrion | than it starts to play for a sec, stops and contiunue to play |
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| 12:18:58 | embrion | same on iriver, ipod and archos simulators |
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| 12:24:55 | linuxstb | embrion: Yes, audio playback is known to be less than perfect in the sims. But I don't think you should get any error message about dlls - what did it say? |
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| 12:26:11 | embrion | checked with mpc and no error appears (but still start-stop-start-stop play problem) |
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| 12:26:36 | embrion | error is in polish so gimme a minute to translate ;) |
| 12:27:43 | embrion | title: rockboxui.exe - wrong image |
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| 12:28:53 | embrion | error message: application or dll library [...]\archos\_temp_codec.dll is incorrect image of windows nt |
| 12:29:10 | embrion | check this with instalation diskette |
| 12:29:12 | embrion | ;] |
| 12:30:00 | * | dj-fu blows up poland |
| 12:30:17 | embrion | ? |
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| 12:30:33 | linuxstb | embrion: How did you install the sim? Did you type "make" followed by "make install" (or "make fullinstall") ? |
| 12:31:39 | embrion | i've downloaded already builded version |
| 12:31:44 | dj-fu | gg nub |
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| 12:32:22 | Zendefera | do I have to recompile rb if I want to rebuild just my english.lng? |
| 12:33:06 | bluebrother | Zendefera: no. |
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| 12:33:38 | Zendefera | ok. |
| 12:34:21 | Zendefera | one other thing, does my english.voice have to be 1.5mb at maxsize, or can it be larger? |
| 12:34:48 | dj-fu | only if you want to be thrown into the pit of eternal doom |
| 12:34:51 | dj-fu | with the fire, that burns |
| 12:35:01 | Zendefera | :) |
| 12:35:13 | Zendefera | no seriously, what will happen if my english.voice is larger than 1.5mb? |
| 12:35:31 | Zendefera | is it just have to be that size bec a memory constrant |
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| 12:43:32 | linuxstb | Zendefera: I don't know if the size is enforced, but (unless they have been upgraded), the Archos targets only have 2MB RAM in total, which is where that maximum size comes from. On the other targets, you could probably have voice files much larger if you were happy with the decreased battery life. |
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| 12:58:46 | Slasheri | hmm, what do you think about expanding logf to support different message levels (for example logf(LOGF_INFO, ..) logf(LOGF_ERROR, ..)) or creating another function which could report fatal errors directly to user without the need to have debug version of rockbox? |
| 12:59:55 | dj-fu | probably should have been done already |
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| 13:00:27 | dj-fu | is there much room for exception handling on the current targets? |
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| 13:03:32 | Zendefera | linuxstd ok, hmm cool. |
| 13:04:06 | Zendefera | hmm, maybe I'll see if I can modify the rb code to access the lang file for names for directories. |
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| 13:05:13 | Zendefera | that way I can associate a voice tag to it via the lang file. |
| 13:08:22 | markun | linuxstb: do you know why pcm_playback.c is compiled when building a bootloader? |
| 13:11:14 | petur | for boot sound effects ;) |
| 13:12:22 | Bagder | markun: remove it from SOURCES and rebuild and I bet you'll figure out if it is a bug or not |
| 13:14:27 | linuxstb | markun: No, I can't think of any reason why it should be. Maybe it's compiled, but not linked. |
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| 13:35:33 | earHertz | CHAR_BITS == 8 on all platforms? |
| 13:36:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:37:43 | earHertz | the Rockbox internal monochrome bitmap format. It saves space, but how much time is lost convert from biits to bytes for th 16-bit lcds? |
| 13:38:34 | Bagder | it does allow us for example to use a single font format for all targets |
| 13:38:50 | earHertz | yeah, it has advanrttaages, I agree |
| 13:39:15 | earHertz | I'm trying to squeeze time out of the ipod lcd updates |
| 13:39:43 | earHertz | So far I've only gotten one extra frame per second |
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| 13:49:54 | Bagder | but I guess converting the font on load to an internal format could be a way in case it'll cause a noticable performance boost |
| 13:50:05 | linuxstb | earHertz: IPL has got an ARM version of the lcd_update() function for the 5g - it would be useful to test that in Rockbox and see how fast it is. |
| 13:50:18 | linuxstb | It's part of the "hotdog" library in their SVN. |
| 13:50:28 | earHertz | hotdog? |
| 13:50:47 | linuxstb | It's their new graphics library. |
| 13:50:49 | Bagder | they're sausage eaters over there ;-) |
| 13:50:53 | earHertz | oh |
| 13:51:01 | earHertz | Ok, I'll have a look at it |
| 13:51:40 | earHertz | meanwhile, see if you'd like to include my patch in the cvs |
| 13:52:01 | earHertz | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5432 |
| 13:53:26 | linuxstb | I think at least an assembler version of that inner-loop would be useful - you can then do multiple-word reads from RAM which should be even faster than your loop. |
| 13:56:34 | earHertz | Read multiple words but write one wortd at a time to the lcd? |
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| 14:03:28 | gppo | what does this do PluginAlpineCDC, does it work when ipod or mp3 player is connected to the alpine radio |
| 14:03:34 | stripwax | I'm guessing you could use movem (or something like it) to do multiple writes too. |
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| 14:33:16 | Zendefera | bbl |
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| 14:41:06 | gppo | CAN i create a .m3u playlist say in winamp |
| 14:41:10 | gppo | of all the files |
| 14:41:20 | gppo | in my ipod, and would roxbox read that |
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| 14:47:27 | stripwax | gppo - don't see why not. try it! |
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| 14:49:06 | dpro | gppo: of course you can |
| 14:49:32 | XavierGr | So, I finished the greek translated the other day. Started from the beggining and updated the voice entries too. It took me all day to do that, only to discover that lang buffer is too small for greek now :( |
| 14:49:58 | JdGordon | hahha.. poor XavierGr |
| 14:50:28 | dpro | gppo: actually (if you were on a real os ;) a find /ipod-mountpoint -iname "*mp3" > playlist.m3u should do |
| 14:50:28 | XavierGr | do I have to drop the voice entries? |
| 14:50:42 | dpro | Xavier: krima |
| 14:51:29 | XavierGr | dpro: hehe, I will find an alternative.... |
| 14:51:53 | dpro | Xavier: but why is that anyway ? like I can't see why greek should need more space than say german |
| 14:54:33 | gppo | dpro so on my linux box all I would need to do is is that command / syntax dpro |
| 14:55:38 | XavierGr | dpro: Unfortunately, some options need too many letters to fully describe. Also I did that for the voice field too, so it got doubled. |
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| 14:57:06 | dpro | Xavier: ah ic ... well how much pain whould it cause to just re#define this ? |
| 14:57:58 | dpro | gppo: yes that will find all files that end in mp3 or MP3 and add their path to playlist.m3u |
| 14:58:34 | dpro | Xavier: or lets use odd abbreviations that only you can understand >;-> |
| 14:58:56 | gppo | but how am I sure that linux box mounts the ipod , do I check after I do mount -tfat or so |
| 14:58:58 | gppo | df |
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| 15:00:19 | dpro | gppo: dmesg will tell you shortly after plugging to which (pseudo)scsi device it was bound (usually /dev/sda if you don't have other scsi/usb storage stuff connected) and then you just mount /dev/sda2 /wherever |
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| 15:00:35 | XavierGr | a solution is to make the lang buffer larger. |
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| 15:01:01 | XavierGr | another one is to erase all voice entries since it is a little bit difficult to find a greek tts. |
| 15:01:06 | dpro | gppo: what distro are you running anyway (ubuntu has an automounter running by default) |
| 15:01:22 | dpro | Xavier: right |
| 15:01:44 | gppo | yellow dog linux |
| 15:01:55 | dpro | hmmm ... never tried it |
| 15:02:02 | * | dpro runs debian/ppc |
| 15:02:19 | gppo | it suse like |
| 15:02:28 | gppo | or can I say rpm like |
| 15:02:35 | gppo | you run debian ppc, how great is it |
| 15:02:55 | dpro | gppo: I used debian for ages so we get along well ;) |
| 15:02:58 | gppo | wow didn't know unbuntu has a automouter, sort like windows |
| 15:03:05 | gppo | dpro oh that make sense |
| 15:03:53 | dpro | gppo: ubuntu is pretty much like windows (or tries to be) I ran their ppc live cd for a while after my hd died that's how I know about the automounter |
| 15:04:08 | bluebrother | gppo: actually it's hal doing the mounting stuff in recent distros. |
| 15:04:41 | dpro | gppo: and I think it's rather easy to add this to your hotplug setup yourself esp. for usb |
| 15:05:08 | gppo | but how does it know, to which directory to point to, or it assume one like in windows say /disk2 |
| 15:05:30 | * | dpro just doesn't want the box to mount everything as soon as I plug it in |
| 15:05:49 | dpro | I think it'll use the device name and create a mountpoint in /media or /mnt |
| 15:06:01 | gppo | heheheh but for the ipod that is great and with roxbox no need for extra software to copy music to it |
| 15:06:19 | dj-fu | automouner is nothing flash |
| 15:06:20 | dpro | gppo: well you need cp ;) |
| 15:06:20 | gppo | dpro that good to know, never new that thanks |
| 15:06:23 | dj-fu | I have it working here on gentoo |
| 15:06:37 | Infirit | gppo, It uses the label of the partition as a name under /media |
| 15:06:41 | gppo | oh k cp, but I mean you don't need e.g. itunes or xmms |
| 15:06:49 | dj-fu | It works by using the hardware abstraction layer and the policy mounter to mount stuff as a user |
| 15:06:55 | dj-fu | they have to be in the group plugdev, though |
| 15:07:17 | gppo | dj-fu t hat make sense, to have certain rights |
| 15:07:19 | dpro | no I only need gnupod to add videos the only thing why the apple fw is still on it |
| 15:07:46 | gppo | roxbox has no video support as of yet |
| 15:08:00 | gppo | I like the crossfade it works like a dj app |
| 15:08:14 | gppo | I wonder if roxbox would work with the new numark dj setup |
| 15:08:43 | gppo | have you people see this, not the old numark ipod setup, that was cheap and not for professional, but the new allows you to scratch |
| 15:09:00 | dj-fu | it's all shit |
| 15:09:06 | dj-fu | give me a technics sl1200mk5d any day |
| 15:09:11 | dj-fu | i'll show you what scratch is |
| 15:09:12 | gppo | it is you plugin on a dock, on top, and you can control the ipod as you controll the cd |
| 15:09:23 | gppo | dj-fu sure, have you used final scratch |
| 15:09:26 | dj-fu | yes |
| 15:09:26 | gppo | with mk 1200 |
| 15:09:42 | dj-fu | it's nowhere near as good as some real decks with nice vinyl and a vestax 05d |
| 15:09:42 | gppo | how is it |
| 15:09:54 | dj-fu | cool cause you can mix your illegal warez mp3 |
| 15:09:56 | dj-fu | but otherwise shitty |
| 15:10:09 | gppo | so the quality of scratch is not as great, |
| 15:10:35 | dj-fu | a little out of time |
| 15:10:35 | gppo | I new it, well cuase I was going to do some consulting for a friend, but he a weding, and such dj |
| 15:10:38 | dj-fu | and i'm used to perfection |
| 15:10:49 | XavierGr | is it possible to have Greek language selected and English voice UI? |
| 15:11:02 | gppo | who just bought a laptop, he want to turn all his legal cds, which he has a lot to mp3 so he can do his gig with is laptop and dennon 1600 |
| 15:11:02 | dj-fu | with a vestax 05d you have an optical fader, that's the fastest and most customisable fader you can get |
| 15:11:05 | dj-fu | beeuatiful. |
| 15:11:05 | gppo | or I forget |
| 15:11:14 | XavierGr | (assuming that the lang is written with english in the voice field) |
| 15:11:32 | gppo | dj-fu yea their good |
| 15:12:22 | gppo | dj-fu he wanted me to recomended and setup his laptop for djying, but the only good software that I saw when I went to dj store two blocks from here, had was final scratch but read the web forums they said it sucks |
| 15:12:37 | gppo | and I consulted / installed pc dj, for another dj |
| 15:12:39 | dj-fu | software is all shit |
| 15:12:41 | gppo | but it was bad |
| 15:12:42 | dj-fu | if you wanna do pc djing |
| 15:12:45 | dj-fu | use something like traktor |
| 15:12:50 | bluebrother | XavierGr: i guess only it you're renaming the english voice file to be named like the greek one |
| 15:12:58 | gppo | final scracth at the store had traktor |
| 15:13:09 | gppo | it runs on top traktor software |
| 15:13:15 | dj-fu | yep |
| 15:13:16 | dj-fu | saw that |
| 15:13:21 | gppo | but he a cd dj, not scratching |
| 15:13:28 | gppo | the most he does is loops effects |
| 15:13:41 | gppo | like you know, trrrrrrtrrrrrr |
| 15:13:51 | dj-fu | lol, yeah, I know. |
| 15:13:58 | gppo | dj-fu so you recomend traxtor |
| 15:14:04 | dj-fu | for software, hell yeah |
| 15:14:13 | dj-fu | i've mixed with it before, it's pretty similar to cdj setup |
| 15:14:18 | gppo | but then he must get final scratch |
| 15:14:32 | gppo | oh, but he want to use his cdj to control the music |
| 15:14:38 | gppo | his dennon 1600 or so |
| 15:14:53 | gppo | and I saw it some cd, that allowed that like vinaly |
| 15:15:25 | gppo | dj-fu I was going to tell him to get virtual dj, after reading a couple of article but I am a computer geek not a a real dj, he is a real dj |
| 15:15:36 | gppo | dj-fu so your input as an expert helps thanks |
| 15:15:46 | dj-fu | np, lol |
| 15:15:56 | gppo | I am a newbie when it comes to dj, I used virtual dj have you used that |
| 15:16:48 | gppo | then even let you download your cd for control virtual dj for free, but the software will cost 249 |
| 15:17:06 | gppo | final scratch cost 600 at the store |
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| 15:23:39 | dpro | gppo: I mostly used pd to build working environments for such things |
| 15:24:04 | gppo | hmm |
| 15:24:17 | dpro | gppg: I did this one ages ago: http://interface.t0.or.at/projects/project01.html |
| 15:25:59 | dpro | gppo: but now I really want the whole thing on the ipod, the clickwheel is just too tempting to not be abused as a dj interface |
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| 15:27:43 | gppo | dpro yea that true |
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| 15:28:14 | gppo | so it ws you who invited time coded vinly |
| 15:28:37 | gppo | I just saw this at numark webpage |
| 15:28:37 | gppo | HDX Hard Drive CD/MP3 Player |
| 15:28:38 | gppo | The Numark HDX is the world's first and only tabletop HD/CD/MP3 player. |
| 15:28:42 | dpro | gppo: and the numark thing is like a computer with some controller + 4 channel soundcard that uses the ipod as a hd AFAICS |
| 15:28:57 | gppo | oh |
| 15:29:11 | gppo | but how does it allow scratching, I know the imix or what ever first one was just a toy |
| 15:29:19 | gppo | but they have a professional one that can scratch |
| 15:29:37 | dpro | gppo: I think a lot of people where toying with the idea around this time, I just took the KISS route and probably was first to present a working setup that was moderately flexible and free (as in speech) |
| 15:29:40 | gppo | what does PD mean |
| 15:29:51 | dpro | I can scratch with my computer ;) |
| 15:30:00 | gppo | you can |
| 15:30:03 | gppo | :) |
| 15:30:15 | gppo | wow so you invented time coded shit sweet |
| 15:30:17 | gppo | lucky you |
| 15:30:22 | dpro | http://www.pure-data.info/ |
| 15:30:48 | dpro | and analogue sync signals are around since the 60'ies I'd say - so no invention just "repurposed" ;) |
| 15:31:22 | gppo | sweet |
| 15:31:40 | gppo | which is the best setup, if i am to setup this dj computer |
| 15:31:46 | gppo | to work with his cdj |
| 15:32:13 | dpro | but yes a minimal support for usb-on-the-go (or whatever they call it) would be awesome to use some usb microcontroller hack to sync the ipod to real decks ;) |
| 15:32:29 | dpro | gppo: define 'best' ? |
| 15:33:36 | dpro | hmm .. then again there's audio in on the ipod video ... maybe one can get away without the usb part ... |
| 15:34:05 | gppo | check out the icdx |
| 15:34:54 | gppo | dpro I mean, something that he can do what ever he normaly does in dj a party like (e.g. same effects and custom way of his cd dj deck) |
| 15:35:23 | gppo | something so that user can quickly learn since it just that all his music is on his laptop |
| 15:35:49 | gppo | and it just him normally using his cdj setup, and just the laptop for picking music |
| 15:36:57 | gppo | he already bought a laptop from hell err dell |
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| 15:37:35 | gppo | he has massive collection of legal cd, he want to transfer to mp3, on a usb or firewire external drive and be able to control with this cdj setup |
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| 15:48:29 | dpro | hmm ... I thing traktor is a good choice if you don't mind proprietary sw ... oh and tell him to get a a good soundcard (min. 4 channels) and some external usb stuff with jogdials, faders, knobs otherwise it will suck for sure |
| 15:48:40 | JdGordon | any1 know the jpeg plugin code? |
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| 16:04:33 | XavierGr | JdGordon: I know all jpeg viewer plugin code except the part that has to do with decoding the jpeg itself. |
| 16:04:45 | XavierGr | (or so I want to say ;P) |
| 16:05:06 | sharpe | i'm going to be daring and post in the forums. |
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| 16:07:21 | XavierGr | JdGordon: I have to go if you want something PM me. |
| 16:07:24 | XavierGr | Later all... |
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| 16:12:01 | petur | this is weird... after connecting/disconnecting several times in a row without reboot the pc stops recognizing my h340 on the usb bus. Reboot rockbox and all is well again |
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| 16:15:34 | sharpe | yay... my first post in the forums... ;) |
| 16:16:52 | XavierGr | sharpe link? |
| 16:17:05 | sharpe | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4472.new#new |
| 16:17:06 | sharpe | heh. |
| 16:19:00 | XavierGr | ah I thought you published you emulator :( |
| 16:19:17 | XavierGr | ^your |
| 16:19:17 | sharpe | nope... |
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| 16:23:48 | Rori | hey guys |
| 16:23:53 | sharpe | hello. |
| 16:24:09 | Rori | I had a fright earlier. the battery ran out on my Nano. would not reset or antyhing |
| 16:24:28 | sharpe | :) |
| 16:24:40 | Rori | maybe an idea would be to have a quick boot msg if the battery is too low |
| 16:24:50 | Rori | I really thought it had died for good |
| 16:25:09 | Rori | or just not let it get that low. anyone working on that? |
| 16:25:40 | * | petur wonders how sharpe got green stars |
| 16:25:43 | Rori | or would it need to be put in the boot loader? |
| 16:25:48 | * | sharpe is speshul? |
| 16:26:04 | Aghaster | good morning everyone |
| 16:26:06 | sharpe | Rori: it wouldn't need any modification to the bootloader |
| 16:27:21 | Rori | I think it would be good that when the battery gets low it actaully voices in your headphones 'battery low' ;) |
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| 16:33:02 | markun | Aghaster: morning |
| 16:33:10 | markun | How's the translation going? |
| 16:33:31 | Aghaster | 50% done |
| 16:33:38 | Aghaster | and i think i have time this weekend to work at it |
| 16:33:48 | Aghaster | have you been watching the mailing list yesterday? |
| 16:33:56 | markun | No |
| 16:34:27 | Aghaster | there were lots of speaking about text-to-speech integration in rockbox |
| 16:34:41 | Aghaster | seems like a lot of blind people are interested in rockbox, including blind programmers |
| 16:35:10 | Aghaster | but what is interesting is that they were speaking about using the code of a text-to-speech program that is mainly for english, but i noticed it also supports esperanto |
| 16:35:27 | preglow | too bad not many people support esperanto :> |
| 16:35:28 | Aghaster | so if they work at it, integrating esperanto text-to-speech would be very easy |
| 16:35:42 | markun | Aghaster: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/ |
| 16:36:08 | Aghaster | some people mentionned flite, but they were mostly speaking about espeak |
| 16:36:15 | Aghaster | http://espeak.sourceforge.net |
| 16:37:07 | markun | I'll check it out later, have to go now |
| 16:37:22 | Aghaster | k |
| 16:37:23 | Aghaster | cya |
| 16:39:57 | Mikachu | Aghaster: how does esperanto deal with computer terms? |
| 16:40:22 | Aghaster | Mikachu: Hopefully i found an esperanto technical term dictionary |
| 16:40:35 | Aghaster | http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/KompLeks/DEFAULT.html |
| 16:40:37 | Mikachu | can't make up new words for everything.. |
| 16:41:36 | Aghaster | using logic of what it means, yes. otherwise you simply borrow the word |
| 16:42:08 | Mikachu | if you borrow it, it's not easy to tts anymore |
| 16:42:51 | Aghaster | esperanto borrowed the majority of its words from other languages, simply |
| 16:43:02 | Aghaster | but in esperanto phonetics |
| 16:43:10 | Aghaster | like to blow = blovi |
| 16:43:14 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 16:43:21 | Mikachu | so how would you say crossfeed? |
| 16:43:38 | Aghaster | well, crossfeed is a hard one. we don't even have a word for crossfeed in french |
| 16:43:49 | Mikachu | i mean if you just used esperanto phonetics |
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| 16:44:38 | Aghaster | krosfid |
| 16:45:07 | Mikachu | ah |
| 16:45:24 | Aghaster | but i dont think it would be correct |
| 16:45:32 | Aghaster | a translation of crossfeed would have to be done with logic |
| 16:45:49 | Aghaster | the problem is - i don't even really understand what that word means |
| 16:45:56 | Aghaster | somebody would have to explain to me the concept of crossfeed |
| 16:45:56 | Aghaster | lol |
| 16:45:59 | Mikachu | heh |
| 16:46:06 | Aghaster | in french it makes nonsense |
| 16:46:23 | Aghaster | "nourrissement croisé" |
| 16:46:30 | Mikachu | not that sort of feed :) |
| 16:46:55 | Mikachu | (a) To supply (the material to be operated upon) to a |
| 16:46:55 | Mikachu | machine; as, to feed paper to a printing press. |
| 16:47:38 | Aghaster | yeah, i know its not this feed. but we dont use that word in that sense in french :P |
| 16:48:00 | Aghaster | but the definition of crossfeed? |
| 16:48:05 | Aghaster | what does it do to the music? |
| 16:48:06 | Mikachu | the swedish translation changed the words a bit, so it's "cross mixing" |
| 16:48:24 | Mikachu | it sends some of the left channel to the right speaker and vice versa, possibly with some delays and echoes |
| 16:48:27 | Mikachu | i am not clear on the details |
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| 16:50:06 | Aghaster | oops, i closed xchat XD |
| 16:50:19 | Mikachu | haha |
| 16:51:07 | Aghaster | ok, and crossfade? |
| 16:51:15 | Aghaster | we need not to confuse both |
| 16:51:55 | Mikachu | "to not" |
| 16:52:14 | Mikachu | crossfade is easier, it fades out the end of a song while fading in the start of the next song |
| 16:52:17 | Mikachu | so that they mix |
| 16:52:26 | Mikachu | like they do on the radio sometimes |
| 16:52:58 | Aghaster | hum... isn't there a grammar rule in english that says we must never seperate an infinitive? to <nothing must go here> <verb> |
| 16:53:07 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 16:53:32 | Mikachu | if you say "we need not to confuse both" it sort of means "we don't have to confuse both" |
| 16:53:41 | Mikachu | but i don't think it's 100% correct grammar |
| 16:53:46 | Aghaster | ok |
| 16:53:56 | Mikachu | i guess "not confuse" can be considered as one unit there |
| 16:54:38 | Aghaster | good, in esperanto "fadi" exists |
| 16:55:05 | Aghaster | transfadi must be good then. |
| 16:55:10 | Aghaster | for crossfade |
| 16:57:02 | Aghaster | transmiksi and transfadi. |
| 16:57:20 | Aghaster | i think its understandable |
| 16:58:50 | Aghaster | good. |
| 16:59:05 | Aghaster | it would be nice if a lojbanist and an idist joined rockbox too |
| 16:59:06 | Aghaster | lol |
| 16:59:59 | Aghaster | what about a latin ipod? |
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| 17:00:14 | Aghaster | o.O that would be somehow funny hehe |
| 17:00:28 | Aghaster | "hey look at my ipod that speaks latin uh" |
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| 17:23:42 | webguest61 | AHHH! I NEED ROCKBOX 3! when will you guys be done do a think?:) (h140 owner) |
| 17:24:15 | Aghaster | just install rockbox, then |
| 17:24:57 | sharpe | you can use an experimental build |
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| 17:25:14 | Mikachu | webguest61: i think when the top 4 or 5 bugs on this list are fixed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?order=pri&project=1&tasks=&string=&type=2&sev=&dev=&due=3&cat=&status=&order2=&sort=&sort2=&date=&project=&sort=desc&order2=sev&sort2=desc |
| 17:26:44 | Mikachu | 3 or 4 rather |
| 17:27:55 | petur | webguest61, what's holding you back? |
| 17:29:50 | webguest61 | well ive used rockbox for a while, but havnt upgraded the daily build for a few months. Just thought id wait for an official release!:) |
| 17:30:27 | sharpe | :\ |
| 17:30:53 | webguest61 | wish i could help in anyway for the project, but i find it hard enough to use windows to be honest! |
| 17:31:32 | webguest61 | sorry last Q, will video be properly implemented in the official release for the H100s? |
| 17:32:03 | Mikachu | i can almost guarantee it will not |
| 17:32:27 | sharpe | i absolutely doubt it... |
| 17:34:39 | Aghaster | meh, video on rockbox? that would be awesome. |
| 17:35:39 | Hansmaulwurf | video on a B/W display? |
| 17:35:56 | Hansmaulwurf | not needed imho |
| 17:36:06 | dwihno | If it's doable, it's a good idea. |
| 17:36:11 | Hansmaulwurf | MP3 recording or something else would be more usefull |
| 17:36:18 | Aghaster | i'd like to see that on my color ipod |
| 17:36:38 | Aghaster | ipod has the hardware to do it |
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| 17:37:38 | webguest61 | wish there was an alternatve screen for the h100 which refreshed quicker (no blurryness) |
| 17:37:49 | webguest61 | otherwise black and white isnt so bad |
| 17:38:22 | markun | Aghaster: just listened to espeak and it's pretty good! |
| 17:38:35 | Aghaster | markun: are you on linux? |
| 17:38:50 | Aghaster | i miss the correct libportaudio lib, i need the 32bit one |
| 17:39:02 | markun | FreeBSD |
| 17:39:04 | Aghaster | and trying to compile it fails |
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| 17:40:47 | Aghaster | i need a 32bit libportaudio.so.0 |
| 17:41:39 | Rori | anyone into anime? |
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| 17:41:41 | Mikachu | that might not work |
| 17:41:52 | Aghaster | yeah, its compiled for freeBSD |
| 17:41:56 | Aghaster | but i'll try |
| 17:42:00 | Mikachu | not mine |
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| 17:42:11 | Mikachu | but it's compiled for athlon-xp |
| 17:42:19 | Rori | I just uploaded some pics of my latest gashapon set :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrin |
| 17:43:03 | Aghaster | oh |
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| 17:44:28 | Aghaster | where do i have to put it, on the system? |
| 17:44:31 | Aghaster | same dir doesnt work |
| 17:44:46 | Mikachu | /usr/lib and call it libportaudio.so.0 |
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| 17:49:22 | sharpe | soo... |
| 17:49:32 | Aghaster | ok, i think it installed the lib correctly |
| 17:49:41 | Aghaster | but how do i call espeak? |
| 17:49:50 | Aghaster | ./speak <what to say>? |
| 17:50:02 | Mikachu | echo hello aghaster | ./speak |
| 17:50:10 | Mikachu | or just ./speak and type the text |
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| 17:50:29 | Aghaster | nice |
| 17:50:30 | Aghaster | :) |
| 17:50:51 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/espeak.wav |
| 17:50:53 | markun | http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/flite.wav |
| 17:51:03 | Mikachu | haha, en-b is sort of british |
| 17:51:05 | markun | quite a difference |
| 17:51:22 | Mikachu | i like espeak |
| 17:51:28 | markun | yes, me too |
| 17:51:29 | Mikachu | it sounds computery but not stupid |
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| 17:51:37 | markun | Just never heared of it before today |
| 17:51:45 | Mikachu | me neither |
| 17:51:47 | Mikachu | ./speak -v en-b |
| 17:51:47 | Mikachu | i like big butts and i cannot lie |
| 17:52:12 | Aghaster | how do i change the voice for esperanto? |
| 17:52:25 | markun | -v esperanto |
| 17:52:32 | markun | but it doesn't sound very good |
| 17:53:01 | Mikachu | does say 'rudimentary' on the site |
| 17:53:11 | Aghaster | but still understandable |
| 17:53:18 | Mikachu | it sounds swedish :) |
| 17:53:23 | Aghaster | nobody said we wouldn't improve it |
| 17:53:24 | Aghaster | hehe |
| 17:53:35 | Mikachu | are you involved in espeak? |
| 17:53:50 | Aghaster | nope |
| 17:54:05 | Mikachu | does esperanto have ö sounds? like the u in murder |
| 17:54:24 | Aghaster | like eu in french? |
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| 17:55:28 | Mikachu | no idea :) |
| 17:55:30 | Mikachu | probably |
| 17:55:38 | Aghaster | errrr, it sounds horrible |
| 17:55:42 | Aghaster | i just made it read an article |
| 17:55:59 | Aghaster | esperanto doesnt have the u in murder |
| 17:55:59 | dwihno | there. |
| 17:56:04 | Mikachu | okay |
| 17:56:35 | Aghaster | but it has the u like in "you" but without the "y" sound |
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| 18:01:25 | Mikachu | it's faster than festival.. |
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| 18:03:14 | markun | It's also written in C++ ... :( |
| 18:03:33 | Mikachu | didn't feel like a lot of code |
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| 18:04:48 | mdke | hi. I started with rockbox yesterday. I am using TagCache, and it works well, but when I add and remove things from my ipod, and update TagCache, it adds the things, but doesn't remove the old ones. Anything I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:05:23 | Mikachu | it's not completed yet, for now you have to remove the tagcache files in .rockbox and then do an update |
| 18:05:30 | markun | mdke: it's a bug, you're not doing it wrong |
| 18:05:37 | mdke | ah, that's fine. i can do that |
| 18:06:05 | mdke | also, after I do the update, I reboot, and get a message on boot. But then before I can play things, I have to reboot again. Is that known too? |
| 18:06:28 | sharpe | yes |
| 18:06:38 | mdke | jolly good |
| 18:08:21 | mdke | great stuff, keep up the good work :) I'm enjoying rockbox and have been reripping lots of my stuff in ogg |
| 18:09:25 | mdke | Mikachu: do I need to remove everything beginning with tagcache in .rockbox? |
| 18:11:21 | Mikachu | think so |
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| 18:11:34 | mdke | i have some tagcache_#.tcd and tagcache_idx.tcd |
| 18:11:42 | mdke | also a tagnavi.config |
| 18:14:59 | * | mdke scours the wikipage |
| 18:15:17 | sharpe | *.tcd i believe |
| 18:15:34 | Mikachu | heh, it reads iii as "three" |
| 18:15:37 | Mikachu | but iiii is ihihihi |
| 18:15:51 | Mikachu | oops, of course it is, four is iv |
| 18:15:55 | Febs | Regarding this thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4431.0 can anyone tell me whether the deep discharge and trickle charge features were removed from all Archos platforms, or just the recorder? |
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| 18:22:30 | markun | 44 minutes of rockbox faq read by espeak: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/faq.ogg :) |
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| 18:39:17 | tom_ | who's got sennheiser CX300s ? |
| 18:42:55 | obo | I have |
| 18:44:51 | tom_ | how far do you have to push them in your ear lol? :s |
| 18:45:13 | obo | pretty far :) |
| 18:45:31 | tom_ | heh, i was just thinking it was jsut me being weird and not hearing the bass |
| 18:45:35 | tom_ | but if you push them in the bass rocks |
| 18:45:41 | tom_ | just means you can't hear anything else around you |
| 18:45:51 | obo | yup, you've got to make sure they're sealing well |
| 18:45:54 | tom_ | they just had the vacuum on and couldn't hear it LOL |
| 18:46:10 | obo | sounds about right ;) |
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| 18:47:58 | tom_ | can't believe I jsut spent £28 on earphones ¬_¬ |
| 18:48:25 | obo | was well worth it for me - the default ipod ones just _hurt_ |
| 18:48:55 | mikearthur | tom_: I spent £60 |
| 18:49:06 | mikearthur | Shure E2Cs for life man |
| 18:49:13 | tom_ | the default iriver ones hurt too |
| 18:55:59 | thegeek_ | tom_: hahaha, 28:P |
| 18:56:19 | tom_ | ? :p |
| 18:56:32 | thegeek_ | it's hilarious |
| 18:56:45 | tom_ | i know they're meant to be £40 or whatever, but it's still rediculous :p |
| 18:56:48 | thegeek_ | that's quite literally _nothing_ |
| 18:57:11 | Mikachu | ooh, then can you paypal me nothing? |
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| 18:57:16 | thegeek_ | hehe |
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| 18:57:24 | thegeek_ | no, I'd rather spend it on something else |
| 18:57:28 | sharpe | that was definitely weird. |
| 18:57:52 | thegeek_ | my point is that beeing shocked by spending £28 is a bit wierd;) |
| 18:58:02 | sharpe | i think i managed to restart my computer by way of disconnecting my ipod from the usb cable... :) |
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| 19:11:56 | tom_ | thegeek_, £28 on EARPHONES though, there's like nothing to them |
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| 19:12:47 | mikearthur | tom_: theres nothing to the chips the government put in your brain either, doesn't stop them costing |
| 19:12:55 | mikearthur | whoops, I wasn't meant to tell anyone |
| 19:13:02 | tom_ | WTF??????/// |
| 19:13:09 | mikearthur | oh noes |
| 19:13:38 | tom_ | who's up for some xbox 360 table tennis |
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| 19:14:23 | Febs | Anyone with CVS commit access around? |
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| 19:25:42 | thegeek_ | tom_ : £28 for headphones is still nothing |
| 19:25:49 | thegeek_ | that's very very low-end |
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| 19:29:47 | Galois | tom_: I use www.ultimateears.com headphones |
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| 19:30:46 | thegeek_ | ue's or superfi's ? |
| 19:30:53 | Galois | UE |
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| 19:32:05 | thegeek_ | nice;) |
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| 20:39:50 | hardeep | hmmm, yellow build |
| 20:40:52 | petur | unused variables... |
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| 20:45:16 | thekiddddd | hello |
| 20:45:47 | thekiddddd | i have data on my archos gmini 400 i want to get |
| 20:45:49 | thekiddddd | off |
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| 20:46:16 | thekiddddd | but i accidently did the delete option in the very begining of the winXP setup not format |
| 20:46:36 | markun | thekiddddd: I don't think anyone here has a gmini 400 |
| 20:46:43 | thekiddddd | the data is still present on the archos but i cant get it to mount nor retrieve it |
| 20:46:52 | XavierGr | petur: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5443 <- what is your suggestion? |
| 20:46:55 | thekiddddd | its archos in general |
| 20:47:02 | thekiddddd | mbr? maybe |
| 20:47:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but this isn't an "archos in general" channel either way. |
| 20:47:56 | petur | XavierGr: I already increased the buffer some time ago, but 17.8K is quite a step... |
| 20:47:58 | thekiddddd | well does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get data off a hdd when it cant mount or be visible in 'y computer' |
| 20:47:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you saying you deleted the partition, with data you still want present on it? |
| 20:48:15 | thekiddddd | nah, i can broswe on the archos and see the file |
| 20:48:19 | thekiddddd | but i cant get em to my pc |
| 20:48:24 | XavierGr | petur: I know, what do you suggest? |
| 20:48:38 | petur | thekiddddd: use some data recovery tool? |
| 20:48:40 | thekiddddd | the data exists but i cant reterive |
| 20:48:47 | thekiddddd | any suggestions |
| 20:49:06 | petur | XavierGr: but you want to use the voice, no? |
| 20:49:26 | thekiddddd | ? |
| 20:49:37 | XavierGr | well, there is a possibility that a user can use voice menus if he buys a Greek tts. |
| 20:49:59 | XavierGr | But AFAIK there are no free Greek tts. |
| 20:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | thekiddddd: I'd suggested searching the 'net for data recovery tools or something like that. |
| 20:50:07 | Mikachu | thekiddddd: if you readd the partition with the exact same block number, it will work |
| 20:51:30 | XavierGr | petur: I am just asking for advice. 1) Make the buffer larger, 2) Drop the voice 3) Starting to cut strings with 'dots' |
| 20:51:43 | petur | XavierGr: I have no idea how things are memory-wise |
| 20:52:11 | petur | you could try to increase buffer |
| 20:52:29 | thekiddddd | Mikachu: how do i locate the partion block # |
| 20:52:46 | Mikachu | you could try a few until it works i guess |
| 20:52:52 | Mikachu | just make sure to not write anything |
| 20:53:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: How much would the buffer need to be increased by? |
| 20:53:18 | petur | almost 5KB |
| 20:53:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
| 20:53:30 | XavierGr | petur: Of course it works when I increase the buffer. I don't want the translation for me, cause I don't use it. I am talking about the CVS. |
| 20:53:44 | petur | I know ;) |
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| 20:54:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5k of extra text seems like an awful lot. |
| 20:54:10 | XavierGr | I think I will try to reduce some strings |
| 20:54:23 | XavierGr | the voice did that even worse |
| 20:54:38 | petur | oh no... I set it to 16KB last time, so 2KB more |
| 20:54:41 | XavierGr | I think I will drop the voice then... |
| 20:54:49 | XavierGr | yes |
| 20:55:10 | XavierGr | 2 KB, but even then... I can almost hear amiconn's yelling! |
| 20:55:25 | XavierGr | :P |
| 20:55:35 | petur | he wasn't upset when I increased it last time ;) |
| 20:56:00 | petur | It went from 14 -> 16KB |
| 20:56:51 | XavierGr | Anyway the increase will have to be on other languages too soon (russion), but the problem will still be the same for greek. |
| 20:57:15 | XavierGr | Arghh... It took me the whole day and now comes this... |
| 20:58:18 | XavierGr | I say we wait for amiconn and ask him his proposal. |
| 20:58:55 | XavierGr | Also I will try to get help from other greek persons to see if there is room for optimisation. |
| 20:59:40 | XavierGr | But I rember that my previous translation also needed an increase in lang buffer :) |
| 20:59:59 | petur | shorter strings are better for reading and voice: you know the item faster and it has more chance of fitting the screen |
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| 21:00:24 | petur | XavierGr: multi-byte strings? |
| 21:00:40 | XavierGr | ? |
| 21:00:42 | petur | or Greek people talk too much :p |
| 21:00:50 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 21:01:20 | XavierGr | some strings are really annoying like 'playlist' |
| 21:01:33 | XavierGr | which is all over the lang files again and again. |
| 21:02:04 | XavierGr | playlist = lista anaparagogis in greek so that's why it is so larger. |
| 21:02:17 | petur | wow |
| 21:02:47 | XavierGr | Wait to see what I used for corssfade. |
| 21:03:02 | XavierGr | Crossfade = Omali enallagi hehe |
| 21:04:02 | petur | a nice tip is to peek in manuals of other players and see what they use in certain languages |
| 21:04:22 | XavierGr | Or some weird strings that say "Playlist control file is invalid" |
| 21:04:39 | XavierGr | petur: yes sonds like I will do that. |
| 21:04:51 | XavierGr | ^sounds |
| 21:05:06 | * | petur wonders how many players get translated to Greek |
| 21:05:19 | XavierGr | I don't think there are any. |
| 21:05:45 | XavierGr | iRiver just introduced support for greek characters but of course no translation. |
| 21:06:51 | petur | yeah, just saw this on my h340 :D |
| 21:07:19 | petur | and I just saw my iriver settings were borked again :( |
| 21:08:13 | petur | maybe me trying to read the eeprom for two days has something to do with that |
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| 21:08:31 | XavierGr | also English can save many bytes just by insterting a word and have multiple menaings. E.g Voice can have a menaing as a noun or a verb. |
| 21:08:46 | petur | the 24c02 is not very happy with our i2c routines |
| 21:08:46 | XavierGr | ^meaning |
| 21:09:28 | * | petur wants to have a word with amiconn |
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| 22:27:10 | qwm | :> |
| 22:27:12 | qwm | wake up Mikachu |
| 22:27:17 | Mikachu | why? |
| 22:27:30 | qwm | you look sleepy. |
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| 22:28:01 | Aghaster | lol |
| 22:28:14 | qwm | honestly though, i meant midkay. |
| 22:28:14 | qwm | :> |
| 22:28:20 | Mikachu | oh :( |
| 22:28:21 | qwm | i'm a bad tabber. |
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| 23:03:08 | newbyx86 | Hm. Anybody care to try and help me with a problem I've been unable to solve? |
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| 23:04:30 | linuxstb | newbyx86: It depends on your problem... |
| 23:05:38 | newbyx86 | Well, I installed the firmware successfully. The only problem is that when it starts up, it says it is connected to a USB port, and it restarts and goes into something that looks like disk mode. |
| 23:05:46 | newbyx86 | And the thing is that it is not connected to a USB port. :| |
| 23:06:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I assume no power cable connected either. |
| 23:06:07 | newbyx86 | Nothing connected. |
| 23:06:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you install via windows, linux, or mac? |
| 23:06:13 | newbyx86 | Linux. |
| 23:06:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Interesting. |
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| 23:07:20 | linuxstb | newbyx86: Unfortunately, a tiny number of people seem to have that problem,. and we've no idea why. (at least, I've no idea) |
| 23:07:31 | newbyx86 | Ahh. So I'm not alone at least? |
| 23:07:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is a not-very-common bug, that's been somewhat elusive. Is there any chance you might be able to restore your iPod (using the Apple restore program, perhaps in WINE or on a friend's PC) and then try installing Rockbox from another computer? (OS shouldn't matter) |
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| 23:07:48 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 23:07:52 | newbyx86 | ipod photo |
| 23:08:05 | tom_ | my iriver did something similar newbyx86 |
| 23:08:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | So far it's been reported on maybe 3 photos and one nano. |
| 23:08:16 | tom_ | I shat one with fear, and then these dudes were like "omg that's easy lolol" :) |
| 23:08:45 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:08:54 | linuxstb | I didn't know about the photos - I just know of two 5g owners have reported the problem. |
| 23:09:05 | newbyx86 | What's weird is that if I boot into the original firmware, it'll say that it is connected. If I plug in a power cord, nothing changes, but if I unplug it, it goes back to normal. |
| 23:09:23 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:09:24 | newbyx86 | (by "it'll say that it's connected", I mean that it'll have the little plug icon meaning that it is charging on the battery) |
| 23:09:36 | linuxstb | You mean the original firmware says connected when it isn't? |
| 23:09:39 | newbyx86 | Yes. |
| 23:10:00 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I typed "photo" when I meant "video". My hands and brain are out of sync again it seems |
| 23:10:37 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:11:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Even when people have used dd or ipodpatcher to write the original unmodified bootpartition.bin back to their iPod, it's done this. At first I thought it was a bug in iPodPatcher until it showed up for people using DD too, on the same computer. |
| 23:11:14 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:11:19 | bluebrother | interesting number. |
| 23:11:24 | midkay | why doesn't Paul_The_Nerd have op access in here, btw? :) |
| 23:11:35 | newbyx86 | Let's see if that ignore blocks ScootScat. |
| 23:11:38 | XavierGr | ScootScat_: Stop that! |
| 23:11:40 | * | linuxstb urges Paul_The_Nerd to use the power |
| 23:11:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had it temporarily, but I was logged off the day they were handing out permanent ones. :-P |
| 23:11:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no power here. |
| 23:11:51 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:11:55 | newbyx86 | It didn't! Nooo! |
| 23:11:56 | XavierGr | yes I had it too temporarily |
| 23:12:02 | midkay | :\ |
| 23:12:07 | newbyx86 | There. |
| 23:12:07 | XavierGr | linuxstb: don't you have the power? |
| 23:12:08 | midkay | someone also needs to ban our Prot friend.. |
| 23:12:09 | newbyx86 | Got it. |
| 23:12:24 | midkay | he does not.. |
| 23:12:27 | linuxstb | XavierGr: No. I wouldn't know how to use it even if I did. |
| 23:12:28 | bluebrother | I guess his keyboard is broken. |
| 23:12:29 | ScootScat_ | 6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 23:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | newbyx86: Can you do me a favor. Can you use DD to write the original, unmodified bootpartition.bin that you extracted (assuming you kept it) and see if the retail firmware still acts funny? |
| 23:12:36 | bluebrother | number key "6" is stuck. |
| 23:12:38 | newbyx86 | Paul_The_Nerd, sure thing. |
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| 23:13:07 | XavierGr | Arghh! I can't believe it that after t0mas gave six more ops, noone of them is here!!! |
| 23:13:10 | Mode | "#RockBox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:13:10 | newbyx86 | The one I extracted or the whole /dev/sdf1 I dd'd? |
| 23:13:20 | XavierGr | here we go |
| 23:13:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | newbyx86: _theoretically_ just dd'ing it back should restore your iPod to _exactly_ the condition it was before you started. Of course that means if it's acting funny AFTER that, there's something interesting going on. |
| 23:13:25 | Mode | "#RockBox +b *!*@*.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 23:13:25 | Kick | (#Rockbox ScootScat_ :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:13:40 | newbyx86 | Yeah. It never did this before. So eh? |
| 23:13:41 | newbyx86 | Let me write it. |
| 23:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | newbyx86: Pre-ipod_fw step. The one you got from dd if=/def/sdf1 of=bootpartition.bin |
| 23:13:54 | newbyx86 | Oh. Ok. |
| 23:14:16 | newbyx86 | Writing.. |
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| 23:15:26 | newbyx86 | Hmm... |
| 23:15:34 | newbyx86 | It says it's plugged in. Odd. |
| 23:15:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:15:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspected that would be the case. |
| 23:15:56 | newbyx86 | I wonder if the "restore" function in the iPod updater would fix that. |
| 23:16:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | It will |
| 23:16:22 | newbyx86 | Damn. There goes the 50 or so gb of music I have on here. :P |
| 23:16:28 | newbyx86 | Oh well. All that takes is time to re-add it. |
| 23:16:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've had _one_ other person run these tests, but it's nice to have a second set of results, as it was over an extended series of forum posts and I wasn't sure everything got done right |
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| 23:16:36 | XavierGr | hmm he really had a sticky 6 |
| 23:16:52 | newbyx86 | I'll go run "restore" on my brother's Windows box, since I don't trust Wine with root. :P |
| 23:17:11 | XavierGr | I made this on a test channel and after a while it would print the whole row of '6' even without pressing enter |
| 23:17:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | newbyx86: While you're at it, before copying the music over, try installing Rockbox from the windows box. Either using a LiveCD or from windows, either way. |
| 23:17:40 | newbyx86 | Paul, I'm not adding music until I get RockBox running. So no worries about me copying music on until it works or I give up. :P |
| 23:18:21 | newbyx86 | I installed Rockbox on an old iPod mini I found lying around, and it's fantastic. :p |
| 23:18:22 | newbyx86 | brb |
| 23:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | newbyx86: Hehehe. If you could post that you talked with me here, and whether installing Rockbox on his box works, or has the same "Plugged in when Not" result in the forums so I'm sure to see it, I'd be grateful. |
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| 23:18:45 | newbyx86 | Alright. |
| 23:18:46 | newbyx86 | Will do. |
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| 23:18:57 | linuxstb | newbyx86: I'm guessing this happened the very first time you tried to run Rockbox? |
| 23:19:23 | newbyx86 | Yes. |
| 23:19:31 | newbyx86 | I had just installed the bootloader and unzipped the daily build into /mnt/ipod |
| 23:19:36 | newbyx86 | and ejected it via 'eject /dev/sdf' |
| 23:19:40 | newbyx86 | and it restarted, detected usb, and freaked out. |
| 23:19:48 | newbyx86 | All while completely unplugged. |
| 23:20:39 | linuxstb | An easy workaround (if you're happy compiling Rockbox yourself) is just to disable the automatic USB detection. |
| 23:20:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It almost has to be something that goes wrong in the last step (writing back to the firmware partition) |
| 23:22:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Since writing a properly created bootloader merged rockboot.bin or an untouched bootpartition.bin both get the same problem. Whether in linux or in windows, on the same PC even. |
| 23:23:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I must go |
| 23:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good luck |
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| 23:23:13 | newbyx86 | Darn. I was gonna say thanks. |
| 23:23:14 | newbyx86 | Oh well. |
| 23:23:25 | newbyx86 | I'm gonna restore it on a NON-HI-SPEED USB port. Which means it'll take for-freaking-ever. |
| 23:23:27 | newbyx86 | brb |
| 23:23:31 | linuxstb | newbyx86: If you want to compile yourself, replace lines 410-415 of firmware/usb.c (the ipod USB detection code) with the single line "current_status = false;" |
| 23:24:24 | newbyx86 | Hmm...alright, if this doesn't work I'll give that a shit. |
| 23:24:45 | newbyx86 | Whoops. Meant shot. |
| 23:24:49 | newbyx86 | How'd I miss and hit 'I'? :( |
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| 23:25:40 | ze | because you're using qwerty which puts the o and the i next to each other just for that circumstance |
| 23:25:47 | newbyx86 | Hmm. I wonder if renaming the "iPod_Control" folder to "iPod_Control_backup" would allow me to save my settings when I do restore. |
| 23:25:59 | newbyx86 | Unless it just reformats the whole stinkin' thing. |
| 23:27:31 | * | amiconn appears |
| 23:27:54 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 23:27:54 | amiconn | petur: Your code policing has a probably unwanted side effect the way you did it... |
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| 23:28:44 | XavierGr | amiconn: any advice on new greek.lang? It's huge, what do you recommend? |
| 23:28:57 | amiconn | Make it smaller... |
| 23:29:38 | XavierGr | easy to say but... |
| 23:29:44 | amiconn | It's too bad that we probably won't be able to do the full langv2 rework |
| 23:29:49 | XavierGr | I will have to 'dot' most of the strings |
| 23:29:59 | amiconn | This should save quite some space |
| 23:30:13 | amiconn | I mean, do it before release |
| 23:30:17 | XavierGr | amiconn: won't be better to drop all voice entries? |
| 23:30:24 | amiconn | huh? |
| 23:30:37 | XavierGr | I mean for greek.lang |
| 23:30:38 | amiconn | That wouldn't help anything regarding the .lng size |
| 23:30:53 | XavierGr | ah didn't know that |
| 23:31:05 | XavierGr | I thought it had to do with the output file |
| 23:31:20 | XavierGr | then how on earth the output lng file is so big? |
| 23:31:31 | amiconn | You wrote too much ;) |
| 23:31:41 | amiconn | Nah, I think it has to do with utf-8 |
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| 23:32:54 | amiconn | Strings won't become much larger for languages which use mostly plain latin, but they will become larger for non-latin scripts, like greek, russian etc |
| 23:33:12 | XavierGr | amiconn: so I guess increasing the lang buffer by 2kB is out of the question? |
| 23:33:42 | amiconn | I think we'll have to do that, at least temporarily (until the langv2 rework will be done) |
| 23:33:45 | * | amiconn sighs |
| 23:34:00 | XavierGr | ok that suits me :) |
| 23:34:30 | XavierGr | can't we just locate the lang buffer dynamically? Something like the dir buffer? |
| 23:34:40 | amiconn | I think scripts like greek and cyrillic are the worst (no offense) wrt string length |
| 23:34:49 | XavierGr | yes indeed |
| 23:35:14 | amiconn | chinese, korean etc suffer less because although they use multi-byte chars, they usually need less chars to express a word |
| 23:37:03 | XavierGr | aslo navigating with unicode font is like hell! |
| 23:37:27 | XavierGr | Every 2 menus it will start spinning the disk. |
| 23:37:39 | Mikachu | do you use any latin chars in the greek translation? |
| 23:37:58 | Mikachu | you could do some ugly live transliteration |
| 23:37:59 | XavierGr | Mikachu: rarely but yes. |
| 23:38:22 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 23:38:44 | XavierGr | Mikachu: Like put latin characters in place of the same greek? |
| 23:39:13 | amiconn | In fact there already was the idea to mark the charset used in a .lng file, to avoid that the user unintentionally selects a font which doesn't contain the required glyphs |
| 23:39:23 | * | petur appears |
| 23:39:26 | Mikachu | or maybe it would be better to just use the proper iso8859 encoding |
| 23:39:39 | XavierGr | yes |
| 23:39:47 | petur | amiconn? |
| 23:39:47 | XavierGr | but where is that font lost? |
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| 23:40:17 | patterson | oh golly. this would be a swell place to do product development |
| 23:40:24 | XavierGr | I remember it was in the builds last time. But I can't find it even on the font pack. |
| 23:40:29 | amiconn | I dunno whether it would pay off, but we could even go one step further, and mark th e.lng file as using a specific codepage, and have the strings in that codepage instead of utf-8 |
| 23:40:51 | amiconn | The increase in code size might eat up the gain from smaller strings though |
| 23:41:24 | Mikachu | it would for any other language |
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| 23:42:06 | amiconn | XavierGr: I wouldn't replace greek chars with latin chars. It might look really ugly depending on the font |
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| 23:42:27 | Mikachu | i just forgot the greek encoding is single byte, it was a silly suggestion |
| 23:43:32 | XavierGr | The good thing is that the voice entries I made won't be a waste if this doens't has to do with lng size. |
| 23:43:33 | amiconn | Greek letters in utf-8 take more than one byte |
| 23:43:43 | Mikachu | yeah obviously :) |
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| 23:47:01 | petur | amiconn: what's the side-effect of my change in backlight.c? More time without interrupts? It's so critical in that function? |
| 23:47:23 | amiconn | It means interrupts are disabled for a longer time |
| 23:47:49 | petur | that function is only called when the user changes brightness |
| 23:48:13 | amiconn | This isn't critical *in* that function, but everything that disables interrupts for a longer time can be critical for other places |
| 23:48:25 | amiconn | ...especially on swcodec |
| 23:48:36 | petur | I'll change it, ok? |
| 23:48:58 | amiconn | Not that it matters much in this case, it's still a pretty short function. |
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| 23:49:16 | amiconn | But imho, interrupts should only be disabled as long as absolutely necessary, |
| 23:49:29 | Rori | Hmm. http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13460 |
| 23:49:30 | petur | then why not one level deeper? |
| 23:49:34 | amiconn | which is in this case only for protecting the pcf50606 transfer |
| 23:50:20 | amiconn | How do you mean, one level deeper? |
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| 23:50:38 | petur | in pcf50606.c |
| 23:51:11 | petur | it of course means that if you do several things interrupts go off-on-off-on-... |
| 23:51:53 | Bagder | "206,000-Colour" |
| 23:51:54 | amiconn | Yes, and an isr could cut into a set of transfers that should be done in a defined sequence... |
| 23:52:05 | Bagder | now that is a weird bit combo to achive that |
| 23:52:35 | amiconn | 17,652284811845305424671831101899 bits |
| 23:52:48 | amiconn | (the , should have been a . ) |
| 23:52:58 | Bagder | hah, and then further down they claim 260K colors |
| 23:53:00 | Rori | lol you can now buy ipods from vending machines |
| 23:53:16 | Rori | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13459 |
| 23:53:17 | ze | i noticed a lot of mobile devices with color claim 260,000 colors |
| 23:53:30 | Bagder | http://uk.lge.com/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=0203&categoryId=0203&parentId=02&modelCodeDisplay=MFJM53&model=NOTHING# |
| 23:53:36 | ze | which i assume is rounding for the number of colors that 18 bit would give you |
| 23:53:57 | ze | and have to wonder why so many mobile devices also have weird bit depths like 15 and 18 |
| 23:53:59 | Bagder | ze: this page says 206000 first and then 260K, that's the amusing part |
| 23:54:02 | amiconn | "bilt-in"? |
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| 23:54:22 | Bagder | ze: most devices boast 18bit but only use 16 |
| 23:54:31 | Bagder | and its not odd at all |
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| 23:54:47 | Bagder | there's lots of LCDs out there with 15 and 18 bit depths |
| 23:54:52 | patterson | agh. machine code optimizers |
| 23:54:53 | ze | why? |
| 23:54:53 | ze | heh |
| 23:55:06 | webguest88 | I have now lost all respect for that apple lol you can now buy ipods from vending machines |
| 23:55:25 | patterson | ya'll shoud be writing compilers |
| 23:55:29 | ze | webguest88: what, in japan? |
| 23:55:46 | Rori | no us |
| 23:56:05 | ze | ok now thats just stupid to put expensive stuff in vending machines in the US |
| 23:56:06 | ze | heh |
| 23:56:20 | webguest88 | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13459 |
| 23:56:43 | ze | somebody'll hitch the whole machine to their pickup truck and pull it off |
| 23:56:50 | petur | amiconn: one more thing before I go: the 24c02 (if that's what it is) doesn't like our i2c code. I get consistent but wrong readings. Unless I'm not accessing an eeprom of course. It's configured at address 1 btw. |
| 23:56:55 | patterson | to the atm machine |
| 23:57:04 | patterson | ze |
| 23:57:17 | patterson | ze. might want to vist albania |
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| 23:57:28 | patterson | where brute force methods apply |
| 23:57:39 | ze | heh |
| 23:57:41 | amiconn | petur: You should ask Linus about the i2c itself. I just optimised the signal sequences, but didn't alter their order |
| 23:57:43 | patterson | as opposed to estonia |
| 23:58:07 | patterson | but golly. i'm going to hawaii |
| 23:58:38 | petur | 'night all |
| 23:58:40 | patterson | whenever mind |
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| 23:58:49 | webguest88 | sounds like a darn good idea |
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