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#rockbox log for 2006-05-27

00:00:12Mikachuif you convert to utf-8 twice, it will contain a ", that's probably the problem
00:01:49mdkeno, it still doesn't seem to like it
00:02:37Mikachucan you try it without the iocharset option then?
00:02:41Mikachui'm not exactly sure what that does
00:02:44mdkeyeah, I didn't have it that time
00:02:52mdkeI removed the è from the name too
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00:03:00Mikachunot that then
00:03:04Mikachuthe disk isn't just full?
00:03:10mdkeno, far otherwise
00:03:40mdkeit has a lot of spaces
00:03:44mdkelemme get rid of those
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00:05:19XavierGrFiletype string buffer empty <- how am I supposed to translate this
00:05:35mdkeMikachu: i think the filename was just too long. I renamed it to {tracknumber.ogg} and it went in ok
00:05:44Mikachuhm, oky
00:05:51sharpetime to try my failed attempt...
00:05:55mdkeis there a length limit do you think?
00:06:08Mikachumdke: wait, did it have the same first few chars as another file?
00:06:16Mikachumdke: your shortname=mixed raises some suspicions
00:06:39peturshortnames shouldn't be a problem
00:06:46mdkeno, don't think it did
00:06:55mdkethe first few characters were 04 -
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00:13:43sharpethis is... perplexing.
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00:24:41IronhandI have a slightly offtopic question for any iAudio X5 experts... suppose I'm playing around with the harddisk contents and mess them up badly (no valid filesystem, invalid partition table, etc). Will the X5 still be able to power on as an USB mass storage device so I can fix the problem?
00:24:50mdkeargh, a crash
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00:25:38BagderIronhand: I _think_ so but I'm not 100% sure
00:26:03Bagderthe x5 bootloader is pretty clever in other aspects so I would expect it to be it in this too
00:26:33Ironhandthx... I'm planning to create a 2nd partition on it to store a tiny bootable debian install
00:27:04earHertzanyone here use the vmware debian to compile rockbox?
00:27:05Ironhandso the bootloader is stored entirely in flash memory, right?
00:27:26BagderIronhand: yes
00:27:52Ironhandok, I'll just go ahead and try it then... thanks
00:28:27Paul_The_NerdearHertz: I usually do, yes.
00:28:36Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Though I'm using a vastly out of date version of the environment
00:28:49mdkeargh, another crash. not good
00:29:07mdkeis there anything helpful that can be got out of a crash?
00:29:35earHertzPaul_The_Nerd:hoew do I connect the debian "box" directly to the ipod?
00:29:39sharpenot really...
00:29:55XavierGrIronhand: I have small boot partion on my H140 with Knoppix inside. You can defintely do this.
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00:30:06Paul_The_NerdearHertz: I don't do that. Heck, I disabled USB in mine because it kept trying to do it even when I didn't want it to. Can't help you unfortunately
00:30:14mdkesharpe: are 1st gen minis known to be a bit dodgy?
00:30:25IronhandXavierGr: what bootloader do you use? (to load knoppix, not to boot the player itself)
00:30:31sharpemdke: i believe somewhat, i may be wrong though.
00:30:39earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: thanks
00:31:03mdkesharpe: ok
00:31:09earHertzI really do like the wmware −− it's much faster and staBLER THAN i EXPECTYED
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00:32:31Paul_The_Nerdmdke: Definitely have had some reports of dodginess, but of course I've also had people respond "What are you smoking, I can't make mine freeze no matter how hard I try"
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00:33:05mdkePaul_The_Nerd: and is there anything I can do to help? in terms of maybe logs or something?
00:33:06sharpei need to take some tylenol. or ibuprofen. or something.
00:33:14IronhandXavierGr: ignore that question, I was just being lazy and 10 seconds of googling told me it's probably syslinux
00:33:27sharpethere is a logging implemented, you have to build rockbox with it enabled though.
00:33:36Paul_The_Nerdmdke: Honestly the more we know about what's happening as and immediately before it freezes the better. Most people just tell us "Well, I was playing music" which isn't too helpful.
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00:34:19mdkePaul_The_Nerd: so, you wanna know what _type_ of music?
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00:34:47sharpethen that'd narrow it down to the codec... :)
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00:34:56Paul_The_NerdMore like, is it mid-song, song transition, is the disk starting to spin up (buffering), what config options you have, whether changing any of them stops it from freezing, etc.
00:34:59amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Congrats to the blue five-star :)
00:35:07Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Thankee
00:35:21earHertzvoid screen_clear_area(struct screen * display, int xstart, int ystart, iint width, int height) DO?
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00:35:39earHertzer, what does it do?
00:35:56Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Clear that portion of the screen, I would assume filling it with background color, or backdrop? Just my guess.
00:35:58sharpeclear an area of the screen...
00:36:18sharpei'm so helpful.
00:36:35pattersonbarring unforeseen glitches , how hard is it to completely uninstall rockbox on a new 30gig video ipod ?
00:36:58earHertzIt's damned expensive
00:37:06sharpeyou'll explode!
00:37:22pattersonheh. its not mine
00:37:28sharpeokay, they'll explode!
00:37:34mdkePaul_The_Nerd: ok. This time it was mid song, without changing any config options having just installed, except a new wps file
00:37:48Bagderpatterson: you can completely remove rockbox leaving no trace
00:37:49earHertzscreen_clear_area takes seven ticks on my ipod
00:38:52Paul_The_Nerdpatterson: "ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin" then delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder and you're done.
00:38:53earHertzand all it is supposed to be doing is a memcpy (in lcd_fillrect)
00:38:54mdkePaul_The_Nerd: if there is a particular config you'd recomment I change, lemme know. I haven't seen a crash for a while now though, i figure it's gremlins
00:39:21Paul_The_Nerdmdke: Whatever it is, it's pretty close to gremlins yeah. =/
00:40:00mdkemeh, hate gremlins
00:40:36sharpecousin of the troll?
00:40:42Bagderyou fed them after midnight now again? ;-)
00:41:01*mdke looks at his watch
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00:41:50peturlong time we had our troll in here...
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00:49:01pjoWhen iPod photo shows a grey scale folder icon at the boot, how can it be cured ?
00:49:43pjotried to restore Apple firmware but Apple updater cannot mount ipod
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00:50:05linuxstbDid you force it into disk mode before trying to run the updater?
00:50:29pjooh I forgot
00:54:02pjoi tried it with Disk Mode but neither Apple updater and Windows file explorer cannot find it
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00:54:05XavierGrIronhand: Yes, though I had forget about it, it is syslinux.
00:54:20pjoipodpatcher 4 works though
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00:58:34pjoat this stage the only way is to format with HP USB ?
00:58:41pixelmais there a manual maintainer around, who is interested in Ondio screendumps?
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01:03:21pixelmaok, maybe someone reads it in the logs: here is a link where you can download the ones I made ->
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01:06:12linuxstbpjo: What did you do to cause the folder icon to appear in the first place?
01:08:30sharpeit'd be nice if i could find that opera music... i've always wanted to know what it is, but i can't find it. :\
01:08:41sharpewell, it may not be opera.
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01:10:01Davide-NYCany devs in?
01:10:26Davide-NYCI have a gig to go to tonight and wanted to test the latest AGC patch petur put up on my H140
01:10:43Davide-NYCI got a wierd message when trying to configure make
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01:11:36Davide-NYC../tools/configure: line 1042: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found
01:11:37Davide-NYCWARNING: The compiler you must use (m68k-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
01:11:39Davide-NYCWARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
01:11:40Davide-NYCWARNING: checks we want now.
01:11:42Davide-NYCCreated Makefile
01:12:13peturI can't believe the patch causes that ;)
01:12:29Davide-NYCI don't think it does either
01:12:41Davide-NYCbut is my makefile useable?
01:12:41peturit can't find your compiler
01:12:50sharpedo you not have the compiler installed?
01:13:09Davide-NYCI haven;t changed anything
01:13:17Davide-NYCI had it all working a week ago
01:13:26peturwell something must have changed
01:13:32sharpedo you use cygwin?
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01:14:04sharpehave you run the setup utility anytime between now and when it was last working?
01:14:37Davide-NYCthe cygwin setup utility?
01:15:03Davide-NYCm68k-elf-gcc is an executable file?
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01:15:45Davide-NYCfound it in C:\cygwin\opt\m68k\bin
01:16:11peturgood, so maybe your path is wrong
01:16:30Davide-NYCdo I cange the path in CMD.exe or in cygwin?
01:16:43linuxstbFor now, you can simply type "export PATH=$PATH:/opt/m68k/bin"
01:16:55Davide-NYCin cygwin
01:17:45Davide-NYCquestion, where are the path settings kept?
01:18:07Davide-NYCI emptied my home folder before doing this so maybe I killed a settings file or something
01:18:20linuxstbChanging the PATH in /etc/profile would probably work.
01:18:22sharpeoh... that was funny...
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01:20:43Davide-NYCyup it says nothing of the \opt\m68k\bin directory in etc/profile
01:20:53sharpespongebob talked to a peanut with a helmet sandy made... then sandy explained her nutuccino machine, and threw in the peanut spongebob talked to... spongebob heard the peanut's screams... spongebob had a mortified look on his face...
01:22:40Davide-NYCwhere is the best place to report bugs (should any arise) with the AGC patch, flyspray or the forums or where?
01:23:04Davide-NYCis that unanimous?
01:23:18sharpeif it's only me, then yes.
01:24:04peturDavide-NYC: put a comment in the AGC patch
01:24:32Davide-NYCyou mean on the agc patch page on flyspray
01:24:44peturadd a comment there
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01:26:36earHertzthis is a show for kids??
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01:27:01earHertzscreaming peanuts being chopped in pices?
01:27:12sharpespongebob squarepants...
01:27:59pattersonor college kids on drugs
01:28:09Davide-NYCI'm off to do some field testing
01:28:12earHertzoh, right
01:28:17earHertzforgot the stoners
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01:28:46pattersonslightly more high brow crowd than tele tubbies
01:28:49earHertzany idea how memcpy is implemented ion teh ipod?
01:28:52sharpeit would've been funny if you had seen it...
01:29:27pattersonor maybe slightly more verbal. and its funny enough
01:30:01sharpeearHertz: i'm guessing, a loop...
01:30:20sharpethat not help? :)
01:31:22earHertzNo, I was hoping for a dedicated machine instruction
01:35:56amiconnMemcpy is asm optimised on all targets
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01:37:09sharpei'm just going to stop answering questions.
01:38:00amiconnDunno how efficient the arm implementation actually is - you'd have to ask preglow
01:39:39earHertzdumbass finally admits he's made a mistake, but he still can't proniouce abu ghraib
01:40:33earHertzum, Bush I mean
01:41:14davidc___IIRC - we got better performance when we used one memcpy rather than another - so make sure you're using a good one
01:42:29earHertzdavidc___: yeah. I unrolled a non-mmecpy loop in ipodvideo
01:43:47***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:46:03linuxstbHmmm. We don't seem to have an ARM memcpy.... Only memset so far.
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01:47:03davidc___yeah, definitely use an optimized memcpy
01:47:09davidc___it speeds a lot of things up
01:47:18davidc___I dunno how much you all use memcpy though
01:48:16earHertzHere's what I've got: a memcopy, that in several chuiks. copies 74240 longs
01:48:25linuxstbWe have it for the other targets, I guess no-one has got round to doing it for ARM yet. Hopefully gcc's memcpy isn't that bad.
01:48:29earHertzthis is taking 7 ticks, or 70 ms
01:50:30amiconnlinuxstb: Afaik preglow added asm optimised memcpy a while ago...
01:50:31davidc___linuxstb: we found one on the net
01:50:54linuxstbamiconn: I found a memset, but not a memcpy in firmware/common/
01:52:22davidc___it was quite complex - but worked very well
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01:53:39earHertzwhere is that mmecopy defined?
01:54:31Wiwiegood evening :P
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01:54:43tom_any of you coders know much about format string attacks? :p
01:55:28earHertzI saw a show on Fox, "When Format Strings Attack"
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01:55:48tom_no, I'm being serious :)
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01:56:39davidc___tom_: which kind? DOS or actual code execution?
01:56:47tom_actual code executions
01:57:14tom_do you know how it's done and such davidc___ ?
01:57:28davidc___tom_: not really. I know the general idea, but never done it in practice
01:57:32Wiwieyou guys are still hard-working? :D
01:57:53tom_I was on about it earlier, i've got qemu running an old version of redhat 6.2 as a test bed
01:58:05tom_with some vulnerable programs running that I want to learn about.
01:58:23midkayamiconn, ah @ intl.ization v2. that word is pretty general, so i just assumed it meant the lang rework/v2 commit.
01:58:58midkayfunny thing about wikis.. everybody can edit them.. ;)
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02:05:53mdkeI activated TagCache and nothing plays, any idea what this could be?
02:06:32earHertzdoesw tachecache showw lists of albums, etc?
02:06:46linuxstbYes, but don't tell Creative...
02:06:51mdkeearHertz: yeah
02:07:01mdkeearHertz: if I go back to "Supported" view, it works again
02:07:05earHertzand what happends when you attempt to play a tracks?
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02:08:24mdkeearHertz: nothing seems to happen
02:08:47mdkeoh no, it works now
02:08:52mdkea couple of reboots has done the trick
02:09:05mdkegremlins again :)
02:09:06mdkethanks anyway
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02:26:41Wiwie1gn8, gf8
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02:59:27sharpewhat's up?
02:59:50midkaynot much, talking to an old friend. you?
03:00:17sharpeslightly tired... could be happier.
03:01:10sharpei can't figure out the problem with the SIDE port's cpu...
03:01:49sharpeeverything seems to be exactly the same as it is in side
03:02:15midkaywhat's the probbo?
03:02:16sharpehowever it still just, apparantly jumps to a location repeatedly, or something.
03:02:38sharpeso therefore it practically freezes the game, however the cpu is still executing.
03:03:16sharpeand it just keeps going in a loop
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03:04:38midkayhm. :\
03:04:55sharpeand it would really suck if it wasn't my fault, like if a few bytes got changed during the rom's transfer to my ipod. :)
03:05:48sharpebut i really doubt that's the case.
03:06:44midkaywhere, uh.. where did you get these roms, sharpe? eh? eh? you made them yourself, right? from a legit, owned source, right? :)
03:07:22sharpeyes. i just so happen to have, an original arcade version of space invaders, and i dumped the rom's contents...
03:08:31sharpedoesn't everyone?
03:08:43midkaysitting by your, pc, right?
03:08:49midkaymint condish, eh?
03:08:54sharpeer, yes.
03:09:02midkayyeah, and you decided to.. you know. dump the rom contents.
03:09:10midkaywith your.. rom readers and stuff.
03:09:14midkayperfectly believable.
03:10:49sharpeyep. did it in the name of... er... curiosity. so i decided to port SIDE to rockbox, and use my perfectly legally obtained roms from the original space invaders arcade game.
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03:11:51midkayyeah. precisely.
03:12:09midkaylike. here's my lovely vintage space invaders arcade game. why not do a rockbox port.
03:12:19sharpeexactly what i was thinking.
03:12:39midkay:D :D :DDDDD
03:13:11sharpeit's not a problem with the rom though.
03:13:15sharpeit works fine in SIDE
03:14:07midkayit'd be a funny typo, if like..
03:14:09midkayyou forgot a space there.
03:14:14midkayso you said "it works fine inSIDE".
03:14:17midkaylike. "inside".
03:14:50sharpeyeah, those pesky outdoors screws with my rockbox port.
03:17:30sharpeon a lighter note, i got a case for my ipod
03:18:13midkayon an even lighter note, we could Factions 2gether.
03:18:31sharpei played it for fifteen minutes earlier.
03:18:39midkayooh. gratz.
03:18:47sharpedied six times.
03:18:50midkayenough for the week, or what?
03:18:54midkayhow the hell.
03:19:04midkaydo you play with henchmen or people?
03:19:20midkayare you in a guild?
03:19:33midkayah, i shall invite you then. :)
03:19:41sharpeit was in the last mission on that one continent... the first one.
03:19:42midkaymuch more fun game with other guys around..
03:19:53midkayzen.. daijung?
03:20:01midkayyeah. that one was tough..
03:20:18sharpei've my other character done with it, but still.
03:20:23midkaylevel up some more, and you want some good armor..
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03:21:22sharpeit was really the combination of the death penalties, and that plagued air, and the afflicted necromancers...
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03:21:44midkayit can be tough, especially with a hench group.
03:21:50midkayyou should let me help you with it. :)
03:21:58sharpeheh, alright.
03:23:51midkayanytime soon? busy? :)
03:23:53sharpewoo! wore a postal service sticker all day.
03:24:05sharpei'll be on in a minute, must travel downstairs to do so.
03:24:14earHertzchicks dig that postal sticker
03:24:17midkayoh, alright, mr. Mimikry!
03:24:28sharpedamn straight they do.
03:24:43midkayearHertz, i must confess, i've fallen madly in love with you.
03:24:47sharpeit left a mark on my shirt...
03:24:48earHertzmidkay: you install my patch?
03:24:59earHertzthe mark of th ebeast-nerd
03:25:00sharpeeither that, or...
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03:25:05midkayearHertz, which?
03:25:16earHertzmidkay: the one that increases fps
03:25:27XavierGrwhat are tou people talking about?
03:25:28midkayearHertz, why would i install that worthless thing?
03:25:38midkayXavierGr, uh, a game, some randomness, and earHertz's patch!
03:25:42earHertzmidkay: for an extra frame each second?
03:25:55midkayearHertz, yes, THAT worthless thing.
03:26:16earHertzevery millisecond is a gain
03:26:20XavierGrat least put a smilie midkay
03:26:35midkayXavierGr, earHertz knows it's there mentally. :)
03:26:42earHertzXavierGr: it's OK ;), I'm used to midkay. I taught him to code
03:26:44midkayit comes later anyways.
03:26:58midkayyou wish you were that good, earHertz.. :)
03:27:03earHertzwell, your first rock the clock thing?
03:27:09midkaydamn wannabe hax0r. :)
03:27:12XavierGrare you related or something?
03:27:13midkayrock the clock? what? :)
03:27:20earHertzXavierGr: no
03:27:37midkayXavierGr, earHertz can take jokes.. i think. :)
03:27:40earHertzmidkay: firast cut had some inefficiencies
03:27:59midkayearHertz, i remember your teaching me the bool switching.
03:28:03midkayrandombool != randombool.
03:28:12sharpei learned that on my own!
03:28:17earHertzand about using arraysrather than ifs, I think
03:28:21midkaysharpe, are you on?
03:28:30sharpenope, talking to a friend...
03:28:44sharpeit may take a while.
03:28:51midkay earHertz, i don't know any place in the code i could ever have or even currently use arrays instead of ifs? maybe a switch-case? *shrugz*
03:28:59midkaysharpe, np, just wondering if you were waiting..
03:29:05midkaycauze i didn't see you online.
03:29:30earHertzyeah, like a case. Index into an array rather than explicitly calculate a value
03:30:07*midkay does the one-half-lowered-one-half-raised eyebrow thing
03:30:11earHertzlike what I did in id3.c
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03:30:33midkaywhat on earth did you do in id3.c?!
03:30:56midkayi knew it was your fault that the viewer is glitched beyond usage.
03:31:03midkaythat's the earHertz signature. :)
03:31:13earHertzrepl ced a lot of ifs with a strcuts and some function pointers
03:31:18*midkay nods
03:31:25midkaythat's EXACTLY what would cause such awful behavior.
03:31:59earHertzthe point was to get teh same behavior with less code. Remmeber, this was for the archios, with its limited code space
03:32:27midkayand the point was not achieved. you achieved... erratic, useless behavior with less code.
03:32:35midkayjust kidding. hadja fooled.
03:32:39midkayworks lovely. :D:D:D
03:32:50earHertzit's been in the cvs unlatered for years. It works fine. ;)
03:32:59midkaysure it does. :)
03:33:10midkayi'll in fact blame the scrolling problem i had to fix myself on you though.
03:33:14midkaythe incorrect iPod mappings.
03:33:24earHertzwhat scrolling problem?
03:33:37midkayturning the wheel back scrolled down, and forward scrolled up.
03:33:47midkayi had to switch around two whole defines.
03:33:52midkayyou oughta be ashamed.
03:33:56earHertznot my doing
03:34:00midkaysure. sure.
03:34:37daurn|laptopstop complaining
03:34:52sharpei confess. it was my fault.
03:35:18daurn|laptopyou still shouldn't have complained
03:35:39*midkay slaps daurn|laptop around a bit with a huge hammer.. right back, in fact, to #archopen.
03:35:43sharpedamn me and my cvs access.
03:35:59midkaysharpe, yes, damn you and your cvs access.. to hell.
03:36:07midkayeven if everybody missed that change.
03:36:09midkayi noticed it.
03:36:14midkayi saw you slip that into cvs.
03:36:20midkaywith your langv2 commit.
03:36:27sharpemost definitely.
03:36:43midkayusing the -h cvs option.
03:36:48midkay"hide changes".
03:36:52midkaywhat a .. slicko.
03:37:06sharpeyeah. i've been making unnoticed commits all these... months.
03:37:08midkayi'm just lucky that i haven't had to fix it since.
03:37:22midkayyeah, i know you introduced all those playback bugs.
03:37:36midkaylostlogic's rework was 100% *perfect*. but each time you inserted a new bug.
03:37:43sharpeyeah. i sabotaged the playback code with my extensive knowledge of it.
03:37:43midkayand he'd discover+fix it, and you'd pop in another.
03:38:08sharpei also remotely updated everyone's cvs, so they wouldn't notice the difference.
03:38:15midkayyeah, damn hackers.
03:38:31midkayoh, and by the way. i did in fact notice your sabotaging of the 5g LCD driver.
03:38:43midkayi remember it clearly operating at >100fps.
03:38:47sharpedid i forget to use -h?!
03:38:56midkayoh, no, no, i just use a firewall.
03:38:59midkayso i'm safe from hackers like you.
03:39:13midkayi saw you slip in those unnecessary calls.
03:39:21sharpegood ol' 200fps 5g driver...
03:39:26midkayi was hoping earHertz would catch them before i had to tell him what they were.
03:39:31midkayyeah. and i know you use it on your build.
03:39:42midkayenjoying lovely, uninterrupted skipfree playback.
03:39:48sharpethat's how i get those crazy fps reports in the plugins.
03:40:00midkayforcing us good samaritans to endure skips, lack of EQ/crossfeed, and slow updates.
03:40:08midkayyeah. pff.
03:40:37sharpeit was also me that kept the cpu from being clocked over it's real speed. 1.2ghz.
03:40:46midkayit's all clear now.
03:40:53midkayand you changed everything on the INTERNET.
03:40:55midkayto read 75mhz.
03:41:05sharpei'm skilled like that.
03:41:10midkaynobody will bother trying 1.2ghz. cause they think it'll blow their player up.
03:41:18midkaywell i got news for you, mister.
03:41:29midkayi'm gonna.
03:41:31midkayprove that.
03:41:35midkayit's. you know.
03:41:40midkaymore powerful than previously expected.
03:41:50midkayso watchUrBack().
03:41:59sharpei don't have that declaration!!
03:42:03midkay(^ that's a void)
03:42:05midkaystatic void.
03:42:25sharpenot static!
03:42:30midkayoh, my bad.
03:42:33midkayjust a. you know.
03:43:10midkaynow that your evil has been exposed to the world.
03:43:25midkaywho's up for a bit of, um, well, you know, uh, you, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, uh, eh?!
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03:43:55sharpeeh, in a little bit, still talking to a friend who i may get to visit on the 17th/18th/19th
03:44:10midkayfriends with benefits, or..?
03:44:21sharpesadly, no.
03:44:31midkayah, female then?
03:44:40*midkay giggles to self.
03:44:43midkaydid you see what i just did there.
03:44:51sharpei did.
03:44:51midkayi made it seem as though you were a homosexual.
03:44:56midkaythat's funny to me.
03:44:57sharpethat's classical humor.
03:45:19sharpeapparently i'll be the only one, here, going to visit.
03:45:34sharpeall her other friends can't make it.
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03:56:39ckuethecan anyone send me the first couple of megs of firmware of a 60GB ipod video? i accidentally DD'd something over mine. :P
03:56:52sharpeyou can get it from the ipod updater...
03:57:03sharpeoh.. eh...
03:57:59ckuetheyeah... i'll try
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04:25:42webguest27lively group tonight...
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04:46:59midkaythat's pronounced "come on".
04:47:09midkayi don't know if you've ever seen family guy.
04:47:16midkaycyaa maaaaaaaan.
04:47:34midkaylit. COME ON. :)
04:49:03midkaynew updated just came out too.
04:49:07midkay*checks release notes*
04:49:30sharpegive me a minute...
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04:55:21midkayyou wouldn't be bored if you were Factioning!
04:55:27sharpeit's funny though.
04:57:13*midkay does the weird eyebrow thing
04:59:11midkayyou know sharpe. i'm becoming convinced you don't want to Factions avec moi.
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05:00:28gppoI have a question
05:00:54gppodoes the calculator in the plugin do intergration or anything to do with area under the curve
05:01:09gppoI was using my ipod, and was thinking trying to do
05:01:27gppoand am I mistaken, but does x^y work
05:01:28sharpebut with a long series of formulas you could!
05:01:38midkayfine sharpe. just fine.
05:01:45sharpei'm going downstairs now. :)
05:01:45midkayi'll go questing then. alone.
05:01:48midkayalright then.
05:01:52midkayc'est que je sais.
05:02:10midkay('that's what i thought' for the retarded and/or french illiterate!)
05:02:14gppoI could not get x^y to work when x = 512 and y = 2/3
05:02:29midkayhow would you enter 2/3 for y?
05:02:32gppousing the calculator in 2nd mode
05:02:37midkayyou'd end up with 512 ^ 2 / 3
05:02:46midkayi believe..
05:03:14gppocuase you don't have y^sqrt(x^n)
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05:03:46gppobut you do have sqrt(x) but that is for 2^sqrt(x)
05:04:17gppobut even simple 8^3
05:04:23midkaydoesn't work?
05:04:27gppofor e.g. didn't funcion
05:04:58gppo was it my bulid, but if I used the 1nd and used 2^2
05:05:06gppoor x^2 it did work
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05:05:40midkayi might end up looking into it..
05:05:44gppoit the ipod mini 2g
05:05:44midkayaway for a bit now though.
05:06:02gppojust a suggestion, thier gpl algebraic software
05:06:13gppoforget the name, but you can brower thier code
05:06:18gppoand just give them credit
05:06:23midkaywe could.. :)
05:06:38gppocuase if the ipod can do area under the curve, and draw the graph wow
05:06:54gppoI didn't know that the ipod had a fpu or alu
05:06:59gppothat could do big calculation
05:07:09gppoI tought it was 16 bit
05:07:12midkayshouldn't be a prob other than a lot of work :)
05:07:27gppoI suck at asm, is rock box coded in asm
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05:16:36ashridahgppo: most of it's in C.
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05:16:53ashridahgppo: but some drivers, initialization code, optimised rotunes for codecs, etc are in platform specific assembly
05:17:00earHertzbut if you know asm, you can often figure out what asm teh C will vcompile to ;)
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05:18:30Aghastermeh, there is so much blind people who wrote in the mailing list today. But i always wondered how blind people managed to use a computer, might be quite hard to do everything with a text-to-speech program that dictates everything you are currently doing
05:18:30gppoI took a course on asm last semster
05:18:34gppowhat a headache
05:18:42gppoit very good to know, and I know the basic
05:18:55earHertzAghaster: or they can use a braile pad
05:19:15Aghasteryeah, but that doesnt help you to read text
05:19:21earHertzgppo: knowing teh asm well ill help you write efficient c code
05:19:37earHertzAghaster: sure it does; there are braiol pads that connect to t a pc
05:19:39AghasterI try to imagine myself programming with a braile pad and a text-to-speech software.
05:20:01Aghasterhum? you mean it outputs the characters to the braille pad so blind people can read?
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05:20:05earHertzthe braile pad is an OUTPUT device, not an input device
05:20:16earHertzyeah :)
05:20:22Aghasterquite interesting
05:20:40earHertzI lived with ablind guy once
05:20:43Aghasterthere is a blind programmer who wrote a lot about text-to-speech in rockbox today in the mailing list
05:20:51Aghasteri dunno if you are on the list too
05:20:54gppoAghaster seen I have add, and was requestion for extra time during exam, IN the office at my univeristy I was reading this maginze or journal about disabilty and employement, what got me was his phd in computer scinces , he was chinesee born in america and he worked for HP, but he was blinded, or could only see very very very very litte, he had some eye problem from kid , but the moral of the story is he works as a comp eng for hp and they sho
05:20:59earHertzon devel or on user list?
05:21:22Aghasteri'm on both... lol
05:21:27gppoI didn't get the title of the mag, but it was great story about him, he said his parnets always wanted no less then a A+ in his grades, so he worked his ass off
05:21:30earHertzno, tjhe blind stuff
05:21:35Aghasterthis makes a *huge* amount of emails per day XD
05:21:51earHertzI only read devel
05:21:53gppoAghaster the moral is, or my point is, blind people are comp eng also which is strange
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05:22:08gppohe says he spends his day coding, but he is blind but works for a big company like hp
05:22:21Aghasterwell, if i was blind, i think i'd be like them. nothing would stop me from programming
05:22:36gppoAghaster but they never or I didn't finish read it, but didn't read how he programs
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05:22:55gppojust cool storry made me happy
05:23:20Aghasterwhats interesting is that the text-to-speech program they intented to modify for rockbox supports esperanto... or has made an attempt to support it
05:23:31gppobut again hmm I wish the calculator in roxbox could do the area or volume e.g. area under a curve
05:23:45Aghasteresperanto is very easy to support in fact, as it contains no diphtongs and has an entirely regular pronunciation
05:23:58gppoAghaster they want to help with the development e.g. code to the text to speach cool
05:24:10earHertzAghaster: it has NO dpthongs?
05:24:12Aghasteryeah, there has been like 30 emails about it
05:24:26AghasterearHertz: Nope. each letter has an independant pronuncation
05:24:37gppowow, with the world being so poltically correct it odd that thier no ipod for blind people feature
05:24:41earHertzAghaster: strange. Most esperanto advocated seem to be dips.
05:24:42gppoin regular ipod
05:24:43*earHertz ducks
05:24:54AghasterearHertz: like what word?
05:25:05gppohmm, but I see my dad cellphone as number to speach
05:25:12earHertzno, I was calling esperanto supporters dips. a joke
05:25:14gppoeach time he click a number it say "three" or such
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05:25:15earHertza nerd joke
05:25:30*earHertz is funnier on slashdot
05:25:31gppohis cellphone has textpad to speach
05:25:37*Aghaster reminds you you are speaking to an esperantist
05:25:43gppomy old is 83, so it helps him dial the number
05:26:03zegppo: at that age its almost appropriate to call him your old
05:26:15*earHertz points and chants "nerd"
05:26:16gppois thier someting in the munal on how to use the ipod with roxbox while it connected to the usb
05:26:18zegppo: probably not nice though
05:26:42gppoI think select and menu
05:27:05gppoze that only feature I requested was that the calculator in the ipod could do intergration
05:27:09gppoarea under a curve
05:27:10Paul_The_Nerdgppo: Apple patented a speech system for iPod recently that's remarkably similar to ours.
05:27:23gppoPaul_The_Nerd wow it seem new
05:27:41Mikachugppo: maybe you should implement the basic functions first :)
05:27:42gppoI don't seem to see how a blind person, would know which playlist to pick
05:27:52gppoMikachu hhahhahaah me :(
05:28:07Mikachuimplement/request someone implement
05:28:07gppoyes, i will try but it will take me 10 years, I am slow at programing
05:28:32gppohow about a hp49 emulator, it gpl also
05:28:50Mikachuone problem is calculators have 60 buttons, the ipod has 5
05:29:22gppooh that true, but adding intergration, since I see it has sin cos and tan and it also has tan^-1 etc
05:29:33gppomake it 3nd
05:29:43gppoyou have 1nd and 2nd and then 3nd
05:30:05gppoor scroll down
05:30:29gppooh well I will stop ranting, it just a geeky idea, no real use for anyone else
05:30:38Mikachusome sort of gesture combination with the wheel could be fun
05:33:25gppobut what is the command to use rox box while the ipod is chraging is thier any
05:33:51Mikachuit doesn't charge so fast in rockbox, but if you want to, hold menu when you plug it in
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05:35:25gppoI had one last question, for ever since I got my ipod, is thier a wireless solar soultion to charge ipods or such or would not be a slow proccess
05:35:37gpposay I am walking for couple of hours, and it about to die
05:36:08gppoI would like to patent that idea
05:36:25Paul_The_NerdThere are solar chargers for iPod out there
05:36:34Paul_The_NerdI've seen a few, I think has one
05:36:48Mikachugppo: you can't patent it after you talk about it on irc
05:42:09gppoSoldius 1 Solar Charger
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06:10:55Paul_The_NerdIf you have commit access, or are on the "Developers" list on the Flyspray tracker, and use the forums, could you please PM me with your username in the forums? I'm trying to create a "Developers" group, much like the one on flyspray and elsewhere, but I don't know entirely who uses the forums, or what their names are in the cases of those of you that it differs slightly.
06:12:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd, do you need a PM, or is a "moi" in IRC enough? :)
06:12:30Paul_The_NerdI know you're midk over there
06:12:36Paul_The_NerdIn fact, you were in the test batch.
06:12:44midkaycool. :)
06:12:51midkaygratz on the adminship, btw.
06:13:07Paul_The_NerdRight now you guys get 3 blue stars.
06:13:18Paul_The_NerdEventually you'll probably have a miniaturized [Rockbox] logo in that place
06:13:37midkaycool. :) thanks..
06:14:02midkayi think it should be renamed 'developer'..
06:14:18midkayit's a group for developers, but under the name it looks weird..
06:14:25midkayaha. :)
06:14:34midkaymerci. :)
06:14:40*midkay admires :)
06:14:44Paul_The_NerdI'm also planning a group for people who aren't strictly devs, but who strive to be helpful, and supportive with answers.
06:14:50Paul_The_NerdY'know, like I used to be.
06:14:58Paul_The_NerdKinda "Rockbox Expert" or something
06:15:09midkayah, awesome. :) sounds like a great idea..
06:15:15Paul_The_NerdBut I haven't settled on a name.
06:15:34midkaypeople who can be trusted to give accurate, helpful answers..
06:15:42Paul_The_NerdThe idea is to sorta help new users when three people have answered their question, so they have a little more to go on than just "He has 300 ports, and he has 280... so..."
06:15:42midkayrockbox expert sounds really good IMO..
06:15:53Paul_The_NerdI *just* thought of it when I was typing that line, actually
06:16:00midkaycan't think of a better one :)
06:16:47Paul_The_NerdThe other idea is that both Devs and Experts get unlimited PMs instead of having a cap based on # of posts.
06:16:59midkaythere's such a restriction?
06:17:07Paul_The_NerdAt Hero Member you only have 50
06:17:07midkayi wonder why..
06:17:17midkaysounds pretty useless.
06:17:20Paul_The_NerdSaves on storage space with particularly large forums, I suppose.
06:17:51midkayi can't see people with two posts getting more than one or two PMs..
06:18:00Paul_The_NerdI think it starts at 20ish
06:18:08midkaybut, whatever floats .. *checks* .. SMF 1.1 RC2's boat ... :)
06:19:28midkayhaha, cool.
06:19:31midkayyou split up the iPod forums.
06:19:37midkayi was literally JUST going to suggest that..
06:19:54midkayi just went to check if there was anything else to mention splitting up for, and noticed.
06:20:11Paul_The_NerdI suggested it a while ago. Bagder forwarded it to Jeff. Jeff probably lost it since he's a busy guy. I PMed him to ask if he'd gotten it. He told me to do it. :)
06:20:26midkaysplit photo/color and nano into seperate..
06:20:31midkayquite different models.
06:20:52Paul_The_NerdOddly enough though, they seem to mostly fall into the same category for bugs.
06:21:07Paul_The_NerdNot entirely
06:21:17Paul_The_NerdThe hardware of the Nano is a mix of 5G and 4G
06:21:21midkayoh. sure.
06:21:23midkaybut i mean like..
06:21:26midkayeverything else about it..
06:21:34midkayWPS', storage, you know..
06:21:56Paul_The_NerdI didn't want to overload with iPod boards though.
06:22:04midkayi'd say the 5G and Photo/Color are more similar than the Nano and Photo.
06:22:17Paul_The_NerdI kinda felt bad giving the 5G a board of its own, but since it has the broadcom chip and everything, it's a pretty different beast in the end.
06:22:29midkayalso i think the nano probably is the largest portion of iPod rockbox users.
06:22:47Paul_The_NerdNo, the 5G is definitely the largest portion, if you go by the number of posts from users.
06:22:59Paul_The_NerdBut I'll split Photo and Nano
06:23:01midkayhard to say, i don't visit that so much..
06:23:02Paul_The_NerdI can merge them later if necessary
06:23:08midkayseems like the nano is far more popular though.
06:23:10midkaycool. :)
06:23:23midkaywhat's five boards versus four ;)
06:24:01Paul_The_NerdI also corrected the spelling to "Color" since we seem to roll that way.
06:24:30midkayreally inconsistent, it seems..
06:24:36midkayin .lang files, it's "color"..
06:24:40midkayin Rockbox, it's "colour"..
06:24:52midkayeither way, doesn't matter much to me. :)
06:25:39Paul_The_NerdBy the way, if you notice your name at the bottom, it's in Rockbox Yellow. Is that an acceptable color, do you think?
06:25:46midkayjust a proposal, i wonder if the "new ports" subforum thingamabob should be put into the "new ports" category.
06:26:11midkayhm. it's a bit hard to see against the white..
06:26:18Paul_The_NerdIt's _only_ in that list anyway
06:26:28Paul_The_NerdI just couldn't pick a color, so a suggestion is welcome
06:26:28midkayyeah, not bad though.
06:26:33midkayhard to say what would look good..
06:26:38midkaymaybe dark blue?
06:26:55Paul_The_NerdGlobal Mods are already a different blue
06:27:02*midkay sighs
06:27:10midkaywhat about a darker yellow? like orange?
06:27:18midkaydarkish orange might be good.
06:27:28midkayrather different than red, but easy to read..
06:27:31Paul_The_NerdLike that?
06:27:42Paul_The_NerdIt's more a darker yellow
06:27:58midkaylovely time for pages not to load..
06:28:07midkaythere we go.. yeah, looking better. :)
06:28:17midkaydoes it go even slightly darker, i wonder?
06:28:25midkaycurious how it might look
06:28:55Paul_The_NerdHow 'bout that?
06:29:23midkayah, liking it.
06:29:26midkaylooks like gold almost.
06:29:41Paul_The_NerdWorks for me.
06:29:51*midkay takes it into photoshop for the hell of it :)
06:30:48*daurnimator runs
06:32:32midkayare you setting it by RGB?
06:32:50midkaywhat's it currently?
06:34:04midkaycan you try be8f00?
06:34:06midkayslightly darker even.
06:34:12midkay+that is..
06:34:46Paul_The_NerdMy LCD sucks. How's it look?
06:34:57midkaysharpe, haha.
06:34:59midkayi neglected you.
06:35:03sharpeit's okay.
06:36:05midkayPaul_The_Nerd, better IMO..
06:36:10midkaymaybe not *quite* there. :)
06:37:34Paul_The_NerdI think I scared everyone off. I add new forums and suddenly no posts AT ALL
06:37:51midkaylast one, i think.. prettyplease :)
06:38:37midkayhas it changed?
06:39:09Paul_The_NerdWent to double check
06:39:20midkayhardish to tell, but looks fine i think.:)
06:39:29Paul_The_NerdGood enough for now. It's not like it's set in stone.
06:39:29midkayquite readable.
06:39:38midkayyeah. i'll bitch about it more soon enough. :)
06:39:47midkayi love it, actually. :)
06:39:51midkaystupid admins get red..
06:39:56midkaydevs get lovely, luxury gold.
06:40:05midkaythe rest of them better bow down. :)
06:40:09sharpewhat does sharpe get?
06:40:14midkaysharpe gets Rockbox Expert.
06:40:19midkayaka puke green.
06:40:30Paul_The_NerdGlowing green, actually
06:40:39midkayvomit, puce, horrible, mustard green.
06:40:45sharpei don't like mustard.
06:40:55midkayit'd be cool if there were more colors in the world that like. some of them had a strong effect on you.
06:41:12midkaye.g. some color called.. say.. gragh.. would make you feel quite sick to your stomach.
06:41:16Paul_The_NerdI'm trying to decide on conditions for entry into the "Rockbox Expert" group
06:41:22sharpeyou mean that had a straight connection between visual and your physical being?
06:41:31midkayPaul_The_Nerd, how about, if they're suggested+deemed experts! :)
06:41:38midkaysharpe, one could say that infact.
06:41:40sharpeor sharpe!
06:41:51midkayer. what? :p
06:41:53sharpei have no idea what you're talking about.
06:42:03sharpei am incoherent this... morning...
06:42:04midkayje ne sais pas.
06:42:23midkayje suis avec stupide.
06:42:39Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, I think they either have to be someone I hand pick, or someone nominated by someone I've picked, in the end. I'd like to keep it a reliable group who don't _just_ shunt people to the wiki.
06:42:40midkayarrow pointing at sharpe.
06:43:05Paul_The_NerdIdeally, they'd answer the question partially, or provide some help as well as information on how to look up future queries in the wiki with new users.
06:43:07midkayPaul_The_Nerd, right.. i think just giving a small number of people the title and leaving it open for suggestion would be good..
06:43:30midkaybtw, is there any way to change the color of that group text?
06:43:45midkayi'm slightly "worried" about it being recognized as like a custom title or something.
06:43:58midkayif you could do something more powerful with it..
06:44:04midkaymaybe bold it, or.. you know..
06:44:12midkay"Official Rockbox Expert" maybe. *shrugs*
06:44:15Paul_The_NerdI can't do anything with it, as far as I know
06:44:26Paul_The_NerdThey _do_ get the stars though
06:44:36Paul_The_NerdRockbox Experts get three green stars
06:44:39midkaymaybe Position or something?
06:44:43Paul_The_NerdLike Moderator stars but not as many
06:44:49Paul_The_NerdDevs get 3 blue stars
06:44:54*midkay nods
06:45:05Paul_The_NerdEVENTUALLY Developers will get a small version of the [ROCKbox] logo
06:45:07sharpefrom what i've gathered, forums, right?
06:45:08midkayPosition: Rockbox Expert
06:45:12midkayPaul_The_Nerd, why not now? :)
06:45:13midkaysharpe, sure..
06:45:17Paul_The_NerdBecause I can't upload the image
06:45:20Paul_The_NerdI have to send it to Jeff
06:45:25Paul_The_NerdI have the .gif made
06:45:30midkayhow big is it
06:45:39Paul_The_Nerd60 pixels wide, if I recall
06:45:43sharpethe gif could have the letters, "dev" printed on it...
06:46:01Paul_The_NerdYeah, it's just a 60x18 [ROCKbox] logo scaled down
06:46:09Paul_The_NerdI need one for the experts though, so I can just send both at once.
06:46:20sharpe"exp" ?
06:46:59Paul_The_NerdI dunno. I'm terrible at graphics. Hehehe
06:47:10sharpei'm like, *okay*
06:47:15sharpewith graphics...
06:47:29midkayi'm *above average*. ;)
06:47:41Paul_The_NerdWell, I'll gladly accept submissions. :-P
06:47:50midkayi asked about the dimensions because.. did you see what i did for the devcon logo?
06:47:54midkayi wanted to try something like that..
06:48:01midkayadd a little something to it.
06:48:40sharpehow can you not have simulated screen images in an animated commercial?
06:48:42Paul_The_NerdAnyway, the rules for the expert group will be sorta strict. Everything needs to be constructive, so even if you don't like a feature-request style idea, it'll need to be constructive as to why you think it's a bad idea for Rockbox, etc. I'll be fully willing to remove people from said group if I feel they aren't a positive influence on the forums. :)
06:49:06midkayPaul_The_Nerd, sure..
06:49:12Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, 60x18 is what I've got right now. I took the Rockbox100.png scaled it down to 60% size, and used it.
06:49:13midkayi don't expect new additions/removals very often. :)
06:49:27Paul_The_NerdModifications were made to it though, to fix the color changes making it a GIF caused
06:49:30midkayany dimension limits, other than "what won't be *too* big"?
06:49:53sharpewhy not just use another png?
06:50:02Paul_The_NerdIdeally no more than 80 pixels wide, and 16 tall
06:50:02sharpeer, have the scaled image as a png.
06:50:22midkayi'll do some work.
06:50:29Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I randomly decided to convert it to gif because at that size it was fine, and the rest of the stars are gifs.
06:50:33midkayi can clip off the black border + bottom line so it can be as big as possible..
06:50:42Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The stars are 16x16, and I don't want it to be bigger than 5 stars
06:50:51midkayPaul_The_Nerd, sounds fine
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06:57:49sharpegah... pain...
06:58:35sharpeoh hey, midkay, are you still there?
06:58:51midkaywhat'd you do to induce pain?!
06:59:00sharpestaying awake
06:59:03midkayPaul_The_Nerd, Experts are green, right?
06:59:18Paul_The_NerdAt least right now
06:59:22sharpewould you care to look at the source for the side port sometime? see if you can figure out something...
06:59:36Paul_The_NerdThere was already a #FF0000 and an #0000FF group, so I said "Hey, what about #00FF00"
06:59:38Paul_The_NerdI'm not so creative
06:59:43midkaysharpe, i'd be quite honored. :)
06:59:45sharpebut you are balanced.
07:00:19midkayk, a quick 'expert' icon attempt..
07:00:28sharpewould you wish it in patch form, or source file form?
07:00:47midkayi would in fact wish for a source file.
07:01:09sharpealright. email, or such?
07:01:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think that image is actually quite acceptable
07:01:16midkayhm, a bit weird on top of white..
07:01:27midkaylooks better on top of gray, IMO.. wonder how it seems against blue. :)
07:01:36sharpewhy not just have the "expert" in black, instead of green?
07:01:37midkayPaul_The_Nerd, cool, i can do one with red text for developers too :)
07:01:42midkaymatches the star color!!
07:01:50sharpeit'd be more readable...
07:01:55Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Sounds good. Make them 82x18 actually if you could. A one-pixel black border.
07:02:09midkayyour mom's more readable under.. er... fluorescent lighting... !!
07:02:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The stars will be gone.
07:02:17Paul_The_NerdThe images replace them
07:02:19midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah, right.
07:02:25midkaywe retain some color element. :)
07:02:27Paul_The_NerdBut I think the green is plenty readable
07:02:30midkayPaul_The_Nerd, how about a blue "admin" one?
07:02:41midkayor.. red?
07:02:45Paul_The_NerdI think I'll leave the Admin's stars as they are.
07:02:45*midkay is semi-lost
07:02:59Paul_The_NerdI don't want to go tinkering with Linus' or Jeffs' stars. :-P
07:03:19midkayactually not a bad idea..
07:03:27midkaythe stars are like, full power..
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07:03:41midkaylittle icons denote a not-so-powerful but nonetheless special position.
07:03:42sharpelike, mario. only instead of mushrooms, stars...
07:03:59midkayemail, sharpe.
07:04:09sharpeany specific one?
07:04:50midkaynah, just anything that comes to mind.
07:05:03sharpelets see... pick a name.
07:05:05midkayhaha. *pictures some random loser receiving some space invaders emulator code*
07:05:21sharpeand the he goes on to make millions with it.
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07:05:28sharpewith my luck, anyway.
07:05:32Paul_The_NerdI think most people who receive random source in the mail probably have a virus-panic
07:06:13sharpeso like, address?
07:06:57midkaymidkay ASJDFASDKADF at. g mail, sans a space, plus a little period thing, and a "comma" minus "ma".
07:07:03midkayPaul_The_Nerd, hahaha.
07:07:53*midkay loves coming up with new inventive ways to fool spambots
07:08:25sharpehath been senteth.
07:12:12midkayyou want them 82x18? that's quite bigger..
07:12:28Paul_The_NerdI thought I said 80x16 was the limit?
07:12:34midkay<Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Sounds good. Make them 82x18 actually if you could. A one-pixel black border.
07:12:41midkayi gave you 68x18 ones..
07:12:46midkaybecause 80x18 would stretch them.
07:12:56midkayi'd be glad to modify them to widen without stretching though.
07:12:58midkaymore yellow space..
07:13:02midkaymore room for text also.
07:13:03Paul_The_NerdWell, 70x20 then
07:13:05Paul_The_NerdNo more yellow space
07:13:08Paul_The_NerdJust the black pixel border
07:13:17midkayyou sure? might look nicer. :)
07:13:25Paul_The_NerdOkay, it can be wider
07:13:27Paul_The_NerdBut no taller
07:13:32midkay18 high?
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07:13:48Paul_The_Nerd18 + 2 black pixels
07:13:55Paul_The_NerdAnd width preferable 78 + 2 black then
07:14:07midkayso 80x20 including border.
07:14:08Paul_The_NerdMaximum on width, it can be less if it looks funny
07:14:14midkaygotcha. :)
07:14:26sharpewhat am i doing?
07:15:05midkaysitting around.
07:15:08midkaysleeping. somewhat.
07:15:14midkaydying constantly.
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07:18:45Paul_The_NerdOkay, I was getting panicky
07:18:58Paul_The_NerdIt had been an hour 'n a half since anyone made a new post, I was worried I'd somehow broken something.
07:19:19Paul_The_NerdI had to post something as a normal user just to see if it was still possible
07:19:47Paul_The_NerdI was kinda worried I'd somehow taken away everyone's posting permissions or something
07:20:29sharpei have a position?
07:20:43midkayhow's this?
07:20:51midkayredone with new dimensions + positioning.
07:20:58Paul_The_NerdLooks good
07:21:06sharpelooks nicer than the last one
07:21:11midkaynot sure if the text is better slanted or straight. i'm a fan of slanted, but at such lowres... :\
07:21:27Paul_The_NerdI think straight is more readable in this situation
07:21:31sharpei'd choose straight in small graphics...
07:21:56midkayi liked the slant i gave the devcon logo, but we have fewer pixels to work with here..
07:22:02midkayantialiasing only helps so much
07:22:09sharperoughly 60% fewer? :)
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07:25:50midkayvs the 400x123 i was working with..
07:26:02Apostle^anyone else experienced FAT file system errors after installing rockbox?
07:26:04midkay - dev one!
07:26:10Apostle^happens every time i try to install it on ipod nano
07:26:12sharpeApostle^: can't say i have.
07:26:16Apostle^but the apple firmware works fine
07:26:38Paul_The_NerdApostle^: What kind of errors exactly?
07:26:48Apostle^well, dmesg tells me
07:26:49sharpecorrupt partitions?
07:26:55Apostle^it's a file cluster or file chain error
07:27:04Apostle^and then the ipod is remounted read-onlu
07:27:17Apostle^happend so far after 3 fresh ipod restores
07:27:22Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Looks good. I'll send them on to Jeff probably tomorrow, once I've slept on it and am 100% sure this is how I want to divide and name things. :)
07:27:31midkaycool. :)
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07:27:52midkayjust for fun. :)
07:27:59midkaywhat you loser 5-star guys could have. :)
07:28:10sharpetempting them, are we?
07:28:19Apostle^i had rockbox on this same nano before, and it never gave me this problem..
07:28:32midkaynobody can resist the sex appeal of my graphic art.
07:28:42Paul_The_NerdApostle^: Out of curiosity, do you have anything else USB powered connected to your PC?
07:28:53Apostle^such as?
07:29:02Apostle^i have a mouse with a wireless usb receiver
07:29:10Apostle^and i use a bluetooth headset with a wireless usb stick
07:29:19Paul_The_NerdAnything else that receives power by way of USB. I've had strange troubles with my nano when both it and an external HD are being powered by USB
07:29:23Apostle^none of which are new to the picture
07:29:41Apostle^no external hd's here
07:29:48Apostle^just 2x 200gb internal
07:30:00sharpei fried a usb hub. and all subsequent connected usb devices to it. one time...
07:30:25midkayanything useful connected?
07:30:27Paul_The_NerdDunno. I would suspect that the problem isn't Rockbox related.
07:30:30sharpewireless mouse
07:30:38midkayhaha. how the hell did you do that.
07:30:40sharpeusb flash drive
07:30:49sharpethat's it, if i remember correctly.
07:30:58midkayhaha. i can imagine the look on your face.
07:31:10sharpewell, they were both a gift.
07:31:20midkayhmhmhmhmhmhHMHhmhHHMHMhhHhahahAHAHahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaa.. aaah.. hahahaaaahh...
07:31:23Apostle^so no one has any ideas on my problem
07:31:31Apostle^i'd say a corrupt hd but since the nano uses flash memory........
07:31:40Apostle^and the apple firmware works fine
07:31:41midkay... you'd say corrupt flash memory.
07:31:52sharpeyou have it on a usb hub, right?
07:32:03Apostle^standard connection
07:32:03sharpejust wondering.
07:32:41Apostle^i guess it's for the best
07:32:46Apostle^since the rockbox battery life does blow
07:32:59Apostle^i'll miss the games though ;-P
07:33:08midkaythanks, Apostle^. we appreciate your compliments.
07:33:19Apostle^well i wouldn't say it if it wasn't true
07:33:26Apostle^i was a happy rockbox user till it stopped working
07:33:34midkayjust joshin' ya.
07:33:37Paul_The_NerdApostle^: You can still have a corrupt disk even with flash memory. Flash can have bad sectors, or a bad FAT or various other problems. A scandisk may be in order.
07:33:44Apostle^i use linux
07:33:55Apostle^whats the equivelant of skandisk ?
07:33:59sharpea fsck may be in order.
07:34:11Apostle^whats the cmd fsck /dev/sda2 ?
07:36:01sharpeit would seem so
07:38:09Apostle^hm it said 1) correct
07:38:14Apostle^i hit 1 but it didn't correct
07:38:30Mikachuyou have to give a switch to actually do stuff, by default it's in readonly mode
07:38:48Apostle^ahh, what switch?
07:39:16Apostle^it's working now i'll leave it alone i guess
07:39:23Apostle^since i'm not going back to the rockbox firmware anyway
07:39:34sharpethat makes us sad. :)
07:39:49Apostle^it's just buggy
07:39:50Mikachuwe don't want quitters on our team
07:39:54Apostle^and slow changing songs etc
07:40:02Apostle^and did i mention the battery life blows
07:40:09sharpeyes, multiple times :)
07:40:37Paul_The_NerdSeeing as it's not for users yet, that's kinda understandable.
07:40:41Paul_The_NerdThough, slow changing songs?
07:40:47Apostle^whats not for users yet
07:40:56Paul_The_NerdRockbox on iPod
07:41:10Paul_The_NerdIt's still in fairly early development and is primarily for developers and people willing to help find bugs.
07:41:12Apostle^well i used it for a few months without a problem
07:41:20Apostle^then the fat file system errors
07:41:25Paul_The_NerdI mean, it's usable, but the development efforts are still going into fixing things rather than polish
07:42:03Apostle^i'll try it again later than
07:42:08Apostle^maybe on my next ipod or whatever
07:42:25Mikachups i was joking, no hard feelings
07:42:31Apostle^i'm all for open source i use linux on all my pc's
07:42:38Paul_The_NerdYeah, Rockbox is for people who want to use it anyway.
07:42:43Apostle^but right now the apple firmware works best for me
07:42:47Paul_The_NerdNo harm if Apple does what you want. Most of us found it lacking too much.
07:43:01MikachuApostle^: i think the (optimistic) target date for the ipod release is in november
07:43:09Apostle^only thing I wish it had was the ability to be skinned
07:43:11Mikachuif you want to try again later
07:43:13Apostle^that was sweet
07:43:24Mikachuthere are crazy windows tools to do that
07:43:25Paul_The_NerdMan, always with the visuals.
07:43:28Mikachufeel free to google
07:43:33Paul_The_NerdiPodWizard, no?
07:43:37Apostle^i'm on linux
07:43:43Mikachufeel free to use wine
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07:44:19Apostle^i remember trying it with the ipod restore utility
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07:57:24BHSPitMonkeyshould still work, though...
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08:53:13pattersoni have no idea. but the SpeedFan guy probably knows all about smart ..
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09:30:19annoyingnewbiehey, so when is rockbox 3 going to be ready? i thought it was supposed to be done around 4 weeks ago? I know your not oblgied to be developing etc and their is no scedule, i understand you dont get paid etc also but can anyone give me an estimate?:) ive been looking forward to a fully stable rockbox for years:p cant wait lol.
09:30:37annoyingnewbieand er...chea
09:30:42annoyingnewbiers in advance
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10:17:06embrioncan rockbox port at ipod mini play music by folders?
10:17:23midkayyes, it's designed to..
10:17:46midkayrockbox is a file browser, that also has the ability to sort your music by tag (artist, album, etc..)
10:18:08embrionand finally full ums i believe
10:19:03embrionand how about non english chars in tags?
10:19:09midkayrockbox doesn't change a thing about the way a PC sees your iPod..
10:19:27midkayand iPods already have a UMS mode as far as disk access.
10:19:31embrionoh yes, i've read about it
10:19:39midkayunicode? works with several fonts..
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10:20:51embrionthx :)
10:21:03midkayno prob
10:23:12Antiochis it just me, or does the rockbox firmware not want to turn on when activated from the remote while the main unit is on hold?
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10:51:04Zendeferahey guys
10:52:13ZendeferaI have a ipod video 30gb, and I have a problem, I use the voice directorys=spell, and voice files=talk mp3 clips, when playing music, the mp3 clips for the file names aren't spoken, but if I put rb into voice files=spell, it'll speak. for some reason it is not mixing in the mp3 clips, any ideas?
10:53:02markunno, sorry
10:53:34Zendeferaoh one other question where can I get the ipod patch for getting the click sound to come out of the ipod as you move along the click wheel
10:53:49Zendeferais it the pizo driver?
10:53:54Zendeferaor how ever you spell it.
10:54:34markunpetur: you committed francais.lang with a bom at the beginning..
10:54:43midkaypiezo.. the patch is a basic driver for it, but i'm not sure if it's working..
10:55:12peturmarkun: I'm an encoding noob
10:55:42peturcygwin screws up utf-8 files I think
10:55:44AntiochUsing paint, what file format should I save bmps as for use with a wps?
10:55:55Antiochwhat bit-setting
10:55:58markunpetur: I think Moos' editor is the problem
10:56:19peturwhat is exactly wrong?
10:56:28*petur wants sto learn something new
10:56:28Antioch24bit? 16bit?
10:57:19markunpetur: the first 3 chars:
10:57:26markunI fixed it
10:58:42peturmarkun: I saved it to utf-8 with devstudio - my bad probably
10:59:06peturI'm gonna stay away from utf-8 lang files
10:59:42markunI've also committed lang files with a bom a few times
10:59:50markunthey are invisible in utf-8..
11:01:37peturwhat's a bom?
11:02:17ender`byte order mark?
11:02:47peturnot bill of material ;)
11:02:54markunused in UTF-16 to specify if it's little or big endian
11:03:34peturmarkun: what editor do you use (if you're on windows)
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11:07:03markunpetur: when I'm at my girlfriend's house I use notepad2 sometimes, but I don't know how it handles the bom
11:07:38peturI was looking for a tool that detects file encoding but found none :(
11:08:18embrionwhere can i find some screenshots from rockbox ipod mini port?
11:08:32embrionlike browsing, settings etc
11:08:51midkayin the manual?
11:09:18markunpetur: with notepad2 you can choose between utf-8 and 'utf-8 with signature'
11:10:15embrionwell...most os them are "WARNING! Image not found"
11:11:22midkaysome of them aren't.
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11:11:42midkayrockbox looks the same on everything anyhow, with the exception of a bit of color on the color targets.
11:11:54Zendeferais there any documentation on rb's audio interface?
11:11:56bluebrotherembrion: this is just because the ipod mini isn't finished yet −− you could try the 3.0 release targets (archos and iriver), screens look mostly similar.
11:12:44embrionthx, i'll check them out
11:13:33markunZendefera: I think there isn't and you just have to wade trough all the code to figure out how it works
11:14:09Zendeferamarkun, ok. thx
11:14:47peturmarkun: indeed, I opened my local francais.lang and it says utf-8 with signature. Will have a look at the file from Moos to.
11:16:52bluebrotherembrion: you could also try out the other ipod manuals, according to my build script the mini and x5 have the most missing pictures −− all other are only 1 or 2 missing.
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11:19:17peturmarkun: the file Moos posted also has the bom and it has cr-lf line ending.
11:19:34embrionbluebrother: currently i'm looking at iriver manual and it looks like it have all or almost all
11:19:40embrion*it has
11:20:03bluebrotheririver shouldn't have any missing pictures.
11:20:41embrionyou could add fm radio to ipod mini ;)
11:21:26JdGordonstupid patch program!!
11:22:06romanpressid3 v2.4 tags don't work properly on rockbox... mostly it says untagged, there are tags on the pc
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11:24:05embrioni've had sandisk sansa and it had some problems with seeking vbr mp3s, what about rockbox?
11:25:31markunembrion: there were some problems with files bigger than the buffer (bigger than 30MB). Don't know if they've been fixed.
11:26:10embrionmarkun: no probb, i'dont have such big mp3s
11:27:13embrionbut i've read that mpc seeking doesn't work so well as mp3
11:27:20embrionstill true?
11:28:16peturembrion: I think it got fixed
11:28:32Zendeferawhen is rb 3.0 due to be released?
11:30:12bluebrotheron monday I think.
11:34:49Zendeferaanyone in here use the voice features of rb?
11:34:59Zendeferabluebrother thanks.
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11:52:21*linuxstb wonders why we need six ipod forums.
11:52:59dj-fuipod is where it's at.
11:53:09Zendeferalinuxstb, hey, can I ask you something?
11:53:50Zendeferawhy when you set voice directories/filenames to talk mp3 clips, the mp3 clips don't play when playing an mp3?, but if you set voice directories/files to spell it works?
11:53:57linuxstbI mean, I just don't like the idea of even more splitting of Rockbox users by target - Rockbox is Rockbox...
11:54:30Zendeferalinuxstb I agree.
11:55:10linuxstbZendefera: Sorry, I don't really know anything about the voice UI in Rockbox.
11:55:22Zendeferanp man, thanks anyways.
11:58:55markunlinuxstb: but I think it's nice to have a 'new ports' forum
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12:14:54JdGordonlinuxstb: i agree... but you do need to split it up somehow.. unless u start splitting it up like the code.. i.e colour targets, sw/hw codec.. etc
12:15:10JdGordonand have a section for all general bug discussion.. r something
12:16:13embrionis it just my computer or simulators doesn't work to well?
12:16:27JdGordonbit of both..?
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12:17:30embrionwhen i try to play some mp3s, windows show some error window about dll
12:17:56embrionthan it starts to play for a sec, stops and contiunue to play
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12:18:58embrionsame on iriver, ipod and archos simulators
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12:24:55linuxstbembrion: Yes, audio playback is known to be less than perfect in the sims. But I don't think you should get any error message about dlls - what did it say?
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12:26:11embrionchecked with mpc and no error appears (but still start-stop-start-stop play problem)
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12:26:36embrionerror is in polish so gimme a minute to translate ;)
12:27:43embriontitle: rockboxui.exe - wrong image
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12:28:53embrionerror message: application or dll library [...]\archos\_temp_codec.dll is incorrect image of windows nt
12:29:10embrioncheck this with instalation diskette
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12:30:33linuxstbembrion: How did you install the sim? Did you type "make" followed by "make install" (or "make fullinstall") ?
12:31:39embrioni've downloaded already builded version
12:31:44dj-fugg nub
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12:32:22Zendeferado I have to recompile rb if I want to rebuild just my english.lng?
12:33:06bluebrotherZendefera: no.
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12:34:21Zendeferaone other thing, does my english.voice have to be 1.5mb at maxsize, or can it be larger?
12:34:48dj-fuonly if you want to be thrown into the pit of eternal doom
12:34:51dj-fuwith the fire, that burns
12:35:13Zendeferano seriously, what will happen if my english.voice is larger than 1.5mb?
12:35:31Zendeferais it just have to be that size bec a memory constrant
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12:43:32linuxstbZendefera: I don't know if the size is enforced, but (unless they have been upgraded), the Archos targets only have 2MB RAM in total, which is where that maximum size comes from. On the other targets, you could probably have voice files much larger if you were happy with the decreased battery life.
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12:58:46Slasherihmm, what do you think about expanding logf to support different message levels (for example logf(LOGF_INFO, ..) logf(LOGF_ERROR, ..)) or creating another function which could report fatal errors directly to user without the need to have debug version of rockbox?
12:59:55dj-fuprobably should have been done already
13:00:27dj-fuis there much room for exception handling on the current targets?
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13:03:32Zendeferalinuxstd ok, hmm cool.
13:04:06Zendeferahmm, maybe I'll see if I can modify the rb code to access the lang file for names for directories.
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13:05:13Zendeferathat way I can associate a voice tag to it via the lang file.
13:08:22markunlinuxstb: do you know why pcm_playback.c is compiled when building a bootloader?
13:11:14peturfor boot sound effects ;)
13:12:22Bagdermarkun: remove it from SOURCES and rebuild and I bet you'll figure out if it is a bug or not
13:14:27linuxstbmarkun: No, I can't think of any reason why it should be. Maybe it's compiled, but not linked.
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13:35:33earHertzCHAR_BITS == 8 on all platforms?
13:37:43earHertzthe Rockbox internal monochrome bitmap format. It saves space, but how much time is lost convert from biits to bytes for th 16-bit lcds?
13:38:34Bagderit does allow us for example to use a single font format for all targets
13:38:50earHertzyeah, it has advanrttaages, I agree
13:39:15earHertzI'm trying to squeeze time out of the ipod lcd updates
13:39:43earHertzSo far I've only gotten one extra frame per second
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13:49:54Bagderbut I guess converting the font on load to an internal format could be a way in case it'll cause a noticable performance boost
13:50:05linuxstbearHertz: IPL has got an ARM version of the lcd_update() function for the 5g - it would be useful to test that in Rockbox and see how fast it is.
13:50:18linuxstbIt's part of the "hotdog" library in their SVN.
13:50:47linuxstbIt's their new graphics library.
13:50:49Bagderthey're sausage eaters over there ;-)
13:51:01earHertzOk, I'll have a look at it
13:51:40earHertzmeanwhile, see if you'd like to include my patch in the cvs
13:53:26linuxstbI think at least an assembler version of that inner-loop would be useful - you can then do multiple-word reads from RAM which should be even faster than your loop.
13:56:34earHertzRead multiple words but write one wortd at a time to the lcd?
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14:03:28gppowhat does this do PluginAlpineCDC, does it work when ipod or mp3 player is connected to the alpine radio
14:03:34stripwaxI'm guessing you could use movem (or something like it) to do multiple writes too.
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14:41:06gppoCAN i create a .m3u playlist say in winamp
14:41:10gppoof all the files
14:41:20gppoin my ipod, and would roxbox read that
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14:47:27stripwaxgppo - don't see why not. try it!
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14:49:06dprogppo: of course you can
14:49:32XavierGrSo, I finished the greek translated the other day. Started from the beggining and updated the voice entries too. It took me all day to do that, only to discover that lang buffer is too small for greek now :(
14:49:58JdGordonhahha.. poor XavierGr
14:50:28dprogppo: actually (if you were on a real os ;) a find /ipod-mountpoint -iname "*mp3" > playlist.m3u should do
14:50:28XavierGrdo I have to drop the voice entries?
14:50:42dproXavier: krima
14:51:29XavierGrdpro: hehe, I will find an alternative....
14:51:53dproXavier: but why is that anyway ? like I can't see why greek should need more space than say german
14:54:33gppodpro so on my linux box all I would need to do is is that command / syntax dpro
14:55:38XavierGrdpro: Unfortunately, some options need too many letters to fully describe. Also I did that for the voice field too, so it got doubled.
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14:57:06dproXavier: ah ic ... well how much pain whould it cause to just re#define this ?
14:57:58dprogppo: yes that will find all files that end in mp3 or MP3 and add their path to playlist.m3u
14:58:34dproXavier: or lets use odd abbreviations that only you can understand >;->
14:58:56gppobut how am I sure that linux box mounts the ipod , do I check after I do mount -tfat or so
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15:00:19dprogppo: dmesg will tell you shortly after plugging to which (pseudo)scsi device it was bound (usually /dev/sda if you don't have other scsi/usb storage stuff connected) and then you just mount /dev/sda2 /wherever
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15:00:35XavierGra solution is to make the lang buffer larger.
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15:01:01XavierGranother one is to erase all voice entries since it is a little bit difficult to find a greek tts.
15:01:06dprogppo: what distro are you running anyway (ubuntu has an automounter running by default)
15:01:22dproXavier: right
15:01:44gppoyellow dog linux
15:01:55dprohmmm ... never tried it
15:02:02*dpro runs debian/ppc
15:02:19gppoit suse like
15:02:28gppoor can I say rpm like
15:02:35gppoyou run debian ppc, how great is it
15:02:55dprogppo: I used debian for ages so we get along well ;)
15:02:58gppowow didn't know unbuntu has a automouter, sort like windows
15:03:05gppodpro oh that make sense
15:03:53dprogppo: ubuntu is pretty much like windows (or tries to be) I ran their ppc live cd for a while after my hd died that's how I know about the automounter
15:04:08bluebrothergppo: actually it's hal doing the mounting stuff in recent distros.
15:04:41dprogppo: and I think it's rather easy to add this to your hotplug setup yourself esp. for usb
15:05:08gppobut how does it know, to which directory to point to, or it assume one like in windows say /disk2
15:05:30*dpro just doesn't want the box to mount everything as soon as I plug it in
15:05:49dproI think it'll use the device name and create a mountpoint in /media or /mnt
15:06:01gppoheheheh but for the ipod that is great and with roxbox no need for extra software to copy music to it
15:06:19dj-fuautomouner is nothing flash
15:06:20dprogppo: well you need cp ;)
15:06:20gppodpro that good to know, never new that thanks
15:06:23dj-fuI have it working here on gentoo
15:06:37Infiritgppo, It uses the label of the partition as a name under /media
15:06:41gppooh k cp, but I mean you don't need e.g. itunes or xmms
15:06:49dj-fuIt works by using the hardware abstraction layer and the policy mounter to mount stuff as a user
15:06:55dj-futhey have to be in the group plugdev, though
15:07:17gppodj-fu t hat make sense, to have certain rights
15:07:19dprono I only need gnupod to add videos the only thing why the apple fw is still on it
15:07:46gpporoxbox has no video support as of yet
15:08:00gppoI like the crossfade it works like a dj app
15:08:14gppoI wonder if roxbox would work with the new numark dj setup
15:08:43gppohave you people see this, not the old numark ipod setup, that was cheap and not for professional, but the new allows you to scratch
15:09:00dj-fuit's all shit
15:09:06dj-fugive me a technics sl1200mk5d any day
15:09:11dj-fui'll show you what scratch is
15:09:12gppoit is you plugin on a dock, on top, and you can control the ipod as you controll the cd
15:09:23gppodj-fu sure, have you used final scratch
15:09:26gppowith mk 1200
15:09:42dj-fuit's nowhere near as good as some real decks with nice vinyl and a vestax 05d
15:09:42gppohow is it
15:09:54dj-fucool cause you can mix your illegal warez mp3
15:09:56dj-fubut otherwise shitty
15:10:09gpposo the quality of scratch is not as great,
15:10:35dj-fua little out of time
15:10:35gppoI new it, well cuase I was going to do some consulting for a friend, but he a weding, and such dj
15:10:38dj-fuand i'm used to perfection
15:10:49XavierGris it possible to have Greek language selected and English voice UI?
15:11:02gppowho just bought a laptop, he want to turn all his legal cds, which he has a lot to mp3 so he can do his gig with is laptop and dennon 1600
15:11:02dj-fuwith a vestax 05d you have an optical fader, that's the fastest and most customisable fader you can get
15:11:05gppoor I forget
15:11:14XavierGr(assuming that the lang is written with english in the voice field)
15:11:32gppodj-fu yea their good
15:12:22gppodj-fu he wanted me to recomended and setup his laptop for djying, but the only good software that I saw when I went to dj store two blocks from here, had was final scratch but read the web forums they said it sucks
15:12:37gppoand I consulted / installed pc dj, for another dj
15:12:39dj-fusoftware is all shit
15:12:41gppobut it was bad
15:12:42dj-fuif you wanna do pc djing
15:12:45dj-fuuse something like traktor
15:12:50bluebrotherXavierGr: i guess only it you're renaming the english voice file to be named like the greek one
15:12:58gppofinal scracth at the store had traktor
15:13:09gppoit runs on top traktor software
15:13:16dj-fusaw that
15:13:21gppobut he a cd dj, not scratching
15:13:28gppothe most he does is loops effects
15:13:41gppolike you know, trrrrrrtrrrrrr
15:13:51dj-fulol, yeah, I know.
15:13:58gppodj-fu so you recomend traxtor
15:14:04dj-fufor software, hell yeah
15:14:13dj-fui've mixed with it before, it's pretty similar to cdj setup
15:14:18gppobut then he must get final scratch
15:14:32gppooh, but he want to use his cdj to control the music
15:14:38gppohis dennon 1600 or so
15:14:53gppoand I saw it some cd, that allowed that like vinaly
15:15:25gppodj-fu I was going to tell him to get virtual dj, after reading a couple of article but I am a computer geek not a a real dj, he is a real dj
15:15:36gppodj-fu so your input as an expert helps thanks
15:15:46dj-funp, lol
15:15:56gppoI am a newbie when it comes to dj, I used virtual dj have you used that
15:16:48gppothen even let you download your cd for control virtual dj for free, but the software will cost 249
15:17:06gppofinal scratch cost 600 at the store
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15:23:39dprogppo: I mostly used pd to build working environments for such things
15:24:17dprogppg: I did this one ages ago:
15:25:59dprogppo: but now I really want the whole thing on the ipod, the clickwheel is just too tempting to not be abused as a dj interface
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15:27:43gppodpro yea that true
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15:28:14gpposo it ws you who invited time coded vinly
15:28:37gppoI just saw this at numark webpage
15:28:37gppoHDX Hard Drive CD/MP3 Player
15:28:38gppoThe Numark HDX is the world's first and only tabletop HD/CD/MP3 player.
15:28:42dprogppo: and the numark thing is like a computer with some controller + 4 channel soundcard that uses the ipod as a hd AFAICS
15:29:11gppobut how does it allow scratching, I know the imix or what ever first one was just a toy
15:29:19gppobut they have a professional one that can scratch
15:29:37dprogppo: I think a lot of people where toying with the idea around this time, I just took the KISS route and probably was first to present a working setup that was moderately flexible and free (as in speech)
15:29:40gppowhat does PD mean
15:29:51dproI can scratch with my computer ;)
15:30:00gppoyou can
15:30:15gppowow so you invented time coded shit sweet
15:30:17gppolucky you
15:30:48dproand analogue sync signals are around since the 60'ies I'd say - so no invention just "repurposed" ;)
15:31:40gppowhich is the best setup, if i am to setup this dj computer
15:31:46gppoto work with his cdj
15:32:13dprobut yes a minimal support for usb-on-the-go (or whatever they call it) would be awesome to use some usb microcontroller hack to sync the ipod to real decks ;)
15:32:29dprogppo: define 'best' ?
15:33:36dprohmm .. then again there's audio in on the ipod video ... maybe one can get away without the usb part ...
15:34:05gppocheck out the icdx
15:34:54gppodpro I mean, something that he can do what ever he normaly does in dj a party like (e.g. same effects and custom way of his cd dj deck)
15:35:23gpposomething so that user can quickly learn since it just that all his music is on his laptop
15:35:49gppoand it just him normally using his cdj setup, and just the laptop for picking music
15:36:57gppohe already bought a laptop from hell err dell
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15:37:35gppohe has massive collection of legal cd, he want to transfer to mp3, on a usb or firewire external drive and be able to control with this cdj setup
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15:48:29dprohmm ... I thing traktor is a good choice if you don't mind proprietary sw ... oh and tell him to get a a good soundcard (min. 4 channels) and some external usb stuff with jogdials, faders, knobs otherwise it will suck for sure
15:48:40JdGordonany1 know the jpeg plugin code?
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16:04:33XavierGrJdGordon: I know all jpeg viewer plugin code except the part that has to do with decoding the jpeg itself.
16:04:45XavierGr(or so I want to say ;P)
16:05:06sharpei'm going to be daring and post in the forums.
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16:07:21XavierGrJdGordon: I have to go if you want something PM me.
16:07:24XavierGrLater all...
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16:12:01peturthis is weird... after connecting/disconnecting several times in a row without reboot the pc stops recognizing my h340 on the usb bus. Reboot rockbox and all is well again
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16:15:34sharpeyay... my first post in the forums... ;)
16:16:52XavierGrsharpe link?
16:19:00XavierGrah I thought you published you emulator :(
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16:23:48Rorihey guys
16:24:09RoriI had a fright earlier. the battery ran out on my Nano. would not reset or antyhing
16:24:40Rorimaybe an idea would be to have a quick boot msg if the battery is too low
16:24:50RoriI really thought it had died for good
16:25:09Rorior just not let it get that low. anyone working on that?
16:25:40*petur wonders how sharpe got green stars
16:25:43Rorior would it need to be put in the boot loader?
16:25:48*sharpe is speshul?
16:26:04Aghastergood morning everyone
16:26:06sharpeRori: it wouldn't need any modification to the bootloader
16:27:21RoriI think it would be good that when the battery gets low it actaully voices in your headphones 'battery low' ;)
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16:33:02markunAghaster: morning
16:33:10markunHow's the translation going?
16:33:31Aghaster50% done
16:33:38Aghasterand i think i have time this weekend to work at it
16:33:48Aghasterhave you been watching the mailing list yesterday?
16:34:27Aghasterthere were lots of speaking about text-to-speech integration in rockbox
16:34:41Aghasterseems like a lot of blind people are interested in rockbox, including blind programmers
16:35:10Aghasterbut what is interesting is that they were speaking about using the code of a text-to-speech program that is mainly for english, but i noticed it also supports esperanto
16:35:27preglowtoo bad not many people support esperanto :>
16:35:28Aghasterso if they work at it, integrating esperanto text-to-speech would be very easy
16:36:08Aghastersome people mentionned flite, but they were mostly speaking about espeak
16:37:07markunI'll check it out later, have to go now
16:39:57MikachuAghaster: how does esperanto deal with computer terms?
16:40:22AghasterMikachu: Hopefully i found an esperanto technical term dictionary
16:40:37Mikachucan't make up new words for everything..
16:41:36Aghasterusing logic of what it means, yes. otherwise you simply borrow the word
16:42:08Mikachuif you borrow it, it's not easy to tts anymore
16:42:51Aghasteresperanto borrowed the majority of its words from other languages, simply
16:43:02Aghasterbut in esperanto phonetics
16:43:10Aghasterlike to blow = blovi
16:43:14Mikachuah, okay
16:43:21Mikachuso how would you say crossfeed?
16:43:38Aghasterwell, crossfeed is a hard one. we don't even have a word for crossfeed in french
16:43:49Mikachui mean if you just used esperanto phonetics
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16:45:24Aghasterbut i dont think it would be correct
16:45:32Aghastera translation of crossfeed would have to be done with logic
16:45:49Aghasterthe problem is - i don't even really understand what that word means
16:45:56Aghastersomebody would have to explain to me the concept of crossfeed
16:46:06Aghasterin french it makes nonsense
16:46:23Aghaster"nourrissement croisé"
16:46:30Mikachunot that sort of feed :)
16:46:55Mikachu (a) To supply (the material to be operated upon) to a
16:46:55Mikachu machine; as, to feed paper to a printing press.
16:47:38Aghasteryeah, i know its not this feed. but we dont use that word in that sense in french :P
16:48:00Aghasterbut the definition of crossfeed?
16:48:05Aghasterwhat does it do to the music?
16:48:06Mikachuthe swedish translation changed the words a bit, so it's "cross mixing"
16:48:24Mikachuit sends some of the left channel to the right speaker and vice versa, possibly with some delays and echoes
16:48:27Mikachui am not clear on the details
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16:50:06Aghasteroops, i closed xchat XD
16:51:07Aghasterok, and crossfade?
16:51:15Aghasterwe need not to confuse both
16:51:55Mikachu"to not"
16:52:14Mikachucrossfade is easier, it fades out the end of a song while fading in the start of the next song
16:52:17Mikachuso that they mix
16:52:26Mikachulike they do on the radio sometimes
16:52:58Aghasterhum... isn't there a grammar rule in english that says we must never seperate an infinitive? to <nothing must go here> <verb>
16:53:32Mikachuif you say "we need not to confuse both" it sort of means "we don't have to confuse both"
16:53:41Mikachubut i don't think it's 100% correct grammar
16:53:56Mikachui guess "not confuse" can be considered as one unit there
16:54:38Aghastergood, in esperanto "fadi" exists
16:55:05Aghastertransfadi must be good then.
16:55:10Aghasterfor crossfade
16:57:02Aghastertransmiksi and transfadi.
16:57:20Aghasteri think its understandable
16:59:05Aghasterit would be nice if a lojbanist and an idist joined rockbox too
16:59:59Aghasterwhat about a latin ipod?
17:00:14Aghastero.O that would be somehow funny hehe
17:00:28Aghaster"hey look at my ipod that speaks latin uh"
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17:23:42webguest61AHHH! I NEED ROCKBOX 3! when will you guys be done do a think?:) (h140 owner)
17:24:15Aghasterjust install rockbox, then
17:24:57sharpeyou can use an experimental build
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17:25:14Mikachuwebguest61: i think when the top 4 or 5 bugs on this list are fixed:
17:26:44Mikachu3 or 4 rather
17:27:55peturwebguest61, what's holding you back?
17:29:50webguest61well ive used rockbox for a while, but havnt upgraded the daily build for a few months. Just thought id wait for an official release!:)
17:30:53webguest61wish i could help in anyway for the project, but i find it hard enough to use windows to be honest!
17:31:32webguest61sorry last Q, will video be properly implemented in the official release for the H100s?
17:32:03Mikachui can almost guarantee it will not
17:32:27sharpei absolutely doubt it...
17:34:39Aghastermeh, video on rockbox? that would be awesome.
17:35:39Hansmaulwurfvideo on a B/W display?
17:35:56Hansmaulwurfnot needed imho
17:36:06dwihnoIf it's doable, it's a good idea.
17:36:11HansmaulwurfMP3 recording or something else would be more usefull
17:36:18Aghasteri'd like to see that on my color ipod
17:36:38Aghasteripod has the hardware to do it
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17:37:38webguest61wish there was an alternatve screen for the h100 which refreshed quicker (no blurryness)
17:37:49webguest61otherwise black and white isnt so bad
17:38:22markunAghaster: just listened to espeak and it's pretty good!
17:38:35Aghastermarkun: are you on linux?
17:38:50Aghasteri miss the correct libportaudio lib, i need the 32bit one
17:39:04Aghasterand trying to compile it fails
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17:40:47Aghasteri need a 32bit
17:41:39Rorianyone into anime?
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17:41:41Mikachuthat might not work
17:41:52Aghasteryeah, its compiled for freeBSD
17:41:56Aghasterbut i'll try
17:42:00Mikachunot mine
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17:42:11Mikachubut it's compiled for athlon-xp
17:42:19RoriI just uploaded some pics of my latest gashapon set :)
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17:44:28Aghasterwhere do i have to put it, on the system?
17:44:31Aghastersame dir doesnt work
17:44:46Mikachu/usr/lib and call it
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17:49:32Aghasterok, i think it installed the lib correctly
17:49:41Aghasterbut how do i call espeak?
17:49:50Aghaster./speak <what to say>?
17:50:02Mikachuecho hello aghaster | ./speak
17:50:10Mikachuor just ./speak and type the text
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17:51:03Mikachuhaha, en-b is sort of british
17:51:05markunquite a difference
17:51:22Mikachui like espeak
17:51:28markunyes, me too
17:51:29Mikachuit sounds computery but not stupid
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17:51:37markunJust never heared of it before today
17:51:45Mikachume neither
17:51:47Mikachu./speak -v en-b
17:51:47Mikachui like big butts and i cannot lie
17:52:12Aghasterhow do i change the voice for esperanto?
17:52:25markun-v esperanto
17:52:32markunbut it doesn't sound very good
17:53:01Mikachudoes say 'rudimentary' on the site
17:53:11Aghasterbut still understandable
17:53:18Mikachuit sounds swedish :)
17:53:23Aghasternobody said we wouldn't improve it
17:53:35Mikachuare you involved in espeak?
17:54:05Mikachudoes esperanto have sounds? like the u in murder
17:54:24Aghasterlike eu in french?
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17:55:28Mikachuno idea :)
17:55:38Aghastererrrr, it sounds horrible
17:55:42Aghasteri just made it read an article
17:55:59Aghasteresperanto doesnt have the u in murder
17:56:35Aghasterbut it has the u like in "you" but without the "y" sound
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18:01:25Mikachuit's faster than festival..
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18:03:14markunIt's also written in C++ ... :(
18:03:33Mikachudidn't feel like a lot of code
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18:04:48mdkehi. I started with rockbox yesterday. I am using TagCache, and it works well, but when I add and remove things from my ipod, and update TagCache, it adds the things, but doesn't remove the old ones. Anything I'm doing wrong?
18:05:23Mikachuit's not completed yet, for now you have to remove the tagcache files in .rockbox and then do an update
18:05:30markunmdke: it's a bug, you're not doing it wrong
18:05:37mdkeah, that's fine. i can do that
18:06:05mdkealso, after I do the update, I reboot, and get a message on boot. But then before I can play things, I have to reboot again. Is that known too?
18:06:38mdkejolly good
18:08:21mdkegreat stuff, keep up the good work :) I'm enjoying rockbox and have been reripping lots of my stuff in ogg
18:09:25mdkeMikachu: do I need to remove everything beginning with tagcache in .rockbox?
18:11:21Mikachuthink so
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18:11:34mdkei have some tagcache_#.tcd and tagcache_idx.tcd
18:11:42mdkealso a tagnavi.config
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18:15:17sharpe*.tcd i believe
18:15:34Mikachuheh, it reads iii as "three"
18:15:37Mikachubut iiii is ihihihi
18:15:51Mikachuoops, of course it is, four is iv
18:15:55FebsRegarding this thread: can anyone tell me whether the deep discharge and trickle charge features were removed from all Archos platforms, or just the recorder?
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18:22:30markun44 minutes of rockbox faq read by espeak: :)
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18:39:17tom_who's got sennheiser CX300s ?
18:42:55oboI have
18:44:51tom_how far do you have to push them in your ear lol? :s
18:45:13obopretty far :)
18:45:31tom_heh, i was just thinking it was jsut me being weird and not hearing the bass
18:45:35tom_but if you push them in the bass rocks
18:45:41tom_just means you can't hear anything else around you
18:45:51oboyup, you've got to make sure they're sealing well
18:45:54tom_they just had the vacuum on and couldn't hear it LOL
18:46:10obosounds about right ;)
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18:47:58tom_can't believe I jsut spent £28 on earphones ¬_¬
18:48:25obowas well worth it for me - the default ipod ones just _hurt_
18:48:55mikearthurtom_: I spent £60
18:49:06mikearthurShure E2Cs for life man
18:49:13tom_the default iriver ones hurt too
18:55:59thegeek_tom_: hahaha, 28:P
18:56:19tom_? :p
18:56:32thegeek_it's hilarious
18:56:45tom_i know they're meant to be £40 or whatever, but it's still rediculous :p
18:56:48thegeek_that's quite literally _nothing_
18:57:11Mikachuooh, then can you paypal me nothing?
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18:57:24thegeek_no, I'd rather spend it on something else
18:57:28sharpethat was definitely weird.
18:57:52thegeek_my point is that beeing shocked by spending 28 is a bit wierd;)
18:58:02sharpei think i managed to restart my computer by way of disconnecting my ipod from the usb cable... :)
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19:11:56tom_thegeek_, £28 on EARPHONES though, there's like nothing to them
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19:12:47mikearthurtom_: theres nothing to the chips the government put in your brain either, doesn't stop them costing
19:12:55mikearthurwhoops, I wasn't meant to tell anyone
19:13:09mikearthuroh noes
19:13:38tom_who's up for some xbox 360 table tennis
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19:14:23FebsAnyone with CVS commit access around?
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19:25:42thegeek_tom_ : 28 for headphones is still nothing
19:25:49thegeek_that's very very low-end
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19:29:47Galoistom_: I use headphones
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20:39:50hardeephmmm, yellow build
20:40:52peturunused variables...
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20:45:47thekidddddi have data on my archos gmini 400 i want to get
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20:46:16thekidddddbut i accidently did the delete option in the very begining of the winXP setup not format
20:46:36markunthekiddddd: I don't think anyone here has a gmini 400
20:46:43thekidddddthe data is still present on the archos but i cant get it to mount nor retrieve it
20:46:52XavierGrpetur: <- what is your suggestion?
20:46:55thekidddddits archos in general
20:47:02thekidddddmbr? maybe
20:47:24Paul_The_NerdYeah, but this isn't an "archos in general" channel either way.
20:47:56peturXavierGr: I already increased the buffer some time ago, but 17.8K is quite a step...
20:47:58thekidddddwell does anyone have any suggestions as to how to get data off a hdd when it cant mount or be visible in 'y computer'
20:47:59Paul_The_NerdAre you saying you deleted the partition, with data you still want present on it?
20:48:15thekidddddnah, i can broswe on the archos and see the file
20:48:19thekidddddbut i cant get em to my pc
20:48:24XavierGrpetur: I know, what do you suggest?
20:48:38peturthekiddddd: use some data recovery tool?
20:48:40thekidddddthe data exists but i cant reterive
20:48:47thekidddddany suggestions
20:49:06peturXavierGr: but you want to use the voice, no?
20:49:37XavierGrwell, there is a possibility that a user can use voice menus if he buys a Greek tts.
20:49:59XavierGrBut AFAIK there are no free Greek tts.
20:50:06Paul_The_Nerdthekiddddd: I'd suggested searching the 'net for data recovery tools or something like that.
20:50:07Mikachuthekiddddd: if you readd the partition with the exact same block number, it will work
20:51:30XavierGrpetur: I am just asking for advice. 1) Make the buffer larger, 2) Drop the voice 3) Starting to cut strings with 'dots'
20:51:43peturXavierGr: I have no idea how things are memory-wise
20:52:11peturyou could try to increase buffer
20:52:29thekidddddMikachu: how do i locate the partion block #
20:52:46Mikachuyou could try a few until it works i guess
20:52:52Mikachujust make sure to not write anything
20:53:06Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: How much would the buffer need to be increased by?
20:53:18peturalmost 5KB
20:53:30XavierGrpetur: Of course it works when I increase the buffer. I don't want the translation for me, cause I don't use it. I am talking about the CVS.
20:53:44peturI know ;)
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20:54:06Paul_The_Nerd5k of extra text seems like an awful lot.
20:54:10XavierGrI think I will try to reduce some strings
20:54:23XavierGrthe voice did that even worse
20:54:38peturoh no... I set it to 16KB last time, so 2KB more
20:54:41XavierGrI think I will drop the voice then...
20:55:10XavierGr2 KB, but even then... I can almost hear amiconn's yelling!
20:55:35peturhe wasn't upset when I increased it last time ;)
20:56:00peturIt went from 14 -> 16KB
20:56:51XavierGrAnyway the increase will have to be on other languages too soon (russion), but the problem will still be the same for greek.
20:57:15XavierGrArghh... It took me the whole day and now comes this...
20:58:18XavierGrI say we wait for amiconn and ask him his proposal.
20:58:55XavierGrAlso I will try to get help from other greek persons to see if there is room for optimisation.
20:59:40XavierGrBut I rember that my previous translation also needed an increase in lang buffer :)
20:59:59peturshorter strings are better for reading and voice: you know the item faster and it has more chance of fitting the screen
21:00:24peturXavierGr: multi-byte strings?
21:00:42peturor Greek people talk too much :p
21:01:20XavierGrsome strings are really annoying like 'playlist'
21:01:33XavierGrwhich is all over the lang files again and again.
21:02:04XavierGrplaylist = lista anaparagogis in greek so that's why it is so larger.
21:02:47XavierGrWait to see what I used for corssfade.
21:03:02XavierGrCrossfade = Omali enallagi hehe
21:04:02petura nice tip is to peek in manuals of other players and see what they use in certain languages
21:04:22XavierGrOr some weird strings that say "Playlist control file is invalid"
21:04:39XavierGrpetur: yes sonds like I will do that.
21:05:06*petur wonders how many players get translated to Greek
21:05:19XavierGrI don't think there are any.
21:05:45XavierGriRiver just introduced support for greek characters but of course no translation.
21:06:51peturyeah, just saw this on my h340 :D
21:07:19peturand I just saw my iriver settings were borked again :(
21:08:13peturmaybe me trying to read the eeprom for two days has something to do with that
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21:08:31XavierGralso English can save many bytes just by insterting a word and have multiple menaings. E.g Voice can have a menaing as a noun or a verb.
21:08:46peturthe 24c02 is not very happy with our i2c routines
21:09:28*petur wants to have a word with amiconn
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22:28:14qwmhonestly though, i meant midkay.
22:28:20Mikachuoh :(
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23:03:08newbyx86Hm. Anybody care to try and help me with a problem I've been unable to solve?
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23:04:30linuxstbnewbyx86: It depends on your problem...
23:05:38newbyx86Well, I installed the firmware successfully. The only problem is that when it starts up, it says it is connected to a USB port, and it restarts and goes into something that looks like disk mode.
23:05:46newbyx86And the thing is that it is not connected to a USB port. :|
23:06:03Paul_The_NerdAnd I assume no power cable connected either.
23:06:07newbyx86Nothing connected.
23:06:11Paul_The_NerdDid you install via windows, linux, or mac?
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23:07:20linuxstbnewbyx86: Unfortunately, a tiny number of people seem to have that problem,. and we've no idea why. (at least, I've no idea)
23:07:31newbyx86Ahh. So I'm not alone at least?
23:07:31Paul_The_NerdThis is a not-very-common bug, that's been somewhat elusive. Is there any chance you might be able to restore your iPod (using the Apple restore program, perhaps in WINE or on a friend's PC) and then try installing Rockbox from another computer? (OS shouldn't matter)
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23:07:48linuxstbWhich ipod do you have?
23:07:52newbyx86ipod photo
23:08:05tom_my iriver did something similar newbyx86
23:08:11Paul_The_NerdSo far it's been reported on maybe 3 photos and one nano.
23:08:16tom_I shat one with fear, and then these dudes were like "omg that's easy lolol" :)
23:08:54linuxstbI didn't know about the photos - I just know of two 5g owners have reported the problem.
23:09:05newbyx86What's weird is that if I boot into the original firmware, it'll say that it is connected. If I plug in a power cord, nothing changes, but if I unplug it, it goes back to normal.
23:09:24newbyx86(by "it'll say that it's connected", I mean that it'll have the little plug icon meaning that it is charging on the battery)
23:09:36linuxstbYou mean the original firmware says connected when it isn't?
23:10:21Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I typed "photo" when I meant "video". My hands and brain are out of sync again it seems
23:11:02Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Even when people have used dd or ipodpatcher to write the original unmodified bootpartition.bin back to their iPod, it's done this. At first I thought it was a bug in iPodPatcher until it showed up for people using DD too, on the same computer.
23:11:19bluebrotherinteresting number.
23:11:24midkaywhy doesn't Paul_The_Nerd have op access in here, btw? :)
23:11:35newbyx86Let's see if that ignore blocks ScootScat.
23:11:38XavierGrScootScat_: Stop that!
23:11:40*linuxstb urges Paul_The_Nerd to use the power
23:11:42Paul_The_NerdI had it temporarily, but I was logged off the day they were handing out permanent ones. :-P
23:11:48Paul_The_NerdI have no power here.
23:11:55newbyx86It didn't! Nooo!
23:11:56XavierGryes I had it too temporarily
23:12:07XavierGrlinuxstb: don't you have the power?
23:12:08midkaysomeone also needs to ban our Prot friend..
23:12:09newbyx86Got it.
23:12:24midkayhe does not..
23:12:27linuxstbXavierGr: No. I wouldn't know how to use it even if I did.
23:12:28bluebrotherI guess his keyboard is broken.
23:12:31Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Can you do me a favor. Can you use DD to write the original, unmodified bootpartition.bin that you extracted (assuming you kept it) and see if the retail firmware still acts funny?
23:12:36bluebrothernumber key "6" is stuck.
23:12:38newbyx86Paul_The_Nerd, sure thing.
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23:13:07XavierGrArghh! I can't believe it that after t0mas gave six more ops, noone of them is here!!!
23:13:10Mode"#RockBox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:13:10newbyx86The one I extracted or the whole /dev/sdf1 I dd'd?
23:13:20XavierGrhere we go
23:13:20Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: _theoretically_ just dd'ing it back should restore your iPod to _exactly_ the condition it was before you started. Of course that means if it's acting funny AFTER that, there's something interesting going on.
23:13:25Mode"#RockBox +b *!*@* " by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
23:13:25Kick(#Rockbox ScootScat_ :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
23:13:40newbyx86Yeah. It never did this before. So eh?
23:13:41newbyx86Let me write it.
23:13:48Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Pre-ipod_fw step. The one you got from dd if=/def/sdf1 of=bootpartition.bin
23:13:54newbyx86Oh. Ok.
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23:15:34newbyx86It says it's plugged in. Odd.
23:15:43Paul_The_NerdI suspected that would be the case.
23:15:56newbyx86I wonder if the "restore" function in the iPod updater would fix that.
23:16:00Paul_The_NerdIt will
23:16:22newbyx86Damn. There goes the 50 or so gb of music I have on here. :P
23:16:28newbyx86Oh well. All that takes is time to re-add it.
23:16:33Paul_The_NerdI've had _one_ other person run these tests, but it's nice to have a second set of results, as it was over an extended series of forum posts and I wasn't sure everything got done right
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23:16:36XavierGrhmm he really had a sticky 6
23:16:52newbyx86I'll go run "restore" on my brother's Windows box, since I don't trust Wine with root. :P
23:17:11XavierGrI made this on a test channel and after a while it would print the whole row of '6' even without pressing enter
23:17:16Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: While you're at it, before copying the music over, try installing Rockbox from the windows box. Either using a LiveCD or from windows, either way.
23:17:40newbyx86Paul, I'm not adding music until I get RockBox running. So no worries about me copying music on until it works or I give up. :P
23:18:21newbyx86I installed Rockbox on an old iPod mini I found lying around, and it's fantastic. :p
23:18:28Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Hehehe. If you could post that you talked with me here, and whether installing Rockbox on his box works, or has the same "Plugged in when Not" result in the forums so I'm sure to see it, I'd be grateful.
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23:18:46newbyx86Will do.
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23:18:57linuxstbnewbyx86: I'm guessing this happened the very first time you tried to run Rockbox?
23:19:31newbyx86I had just installed the bootloader and unzipped the daily build into /mnt/ipod
23:19:36newbyx86and ejected it via 'eject /dev/sdf'
23:19:40newbyx86and it restarted, detected usb, and freaked out.
23:19:48newbyx86All while completely unplugged.
23:20:39linuxstbAn easy workaround (if you're happy compiling Rockbox yourself) is just to disable the automatic USB detection.
23:20:58Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: It almost has to be something that goes wrong in the last step (writing back to the firmware partition)
23:22:00Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Since writing a properly created bootloader merged rockboot.bin or an untouched bootpartition.bin both get the same problem. Whether in linux or in windows, on the same PC even.
23:23:08Paul_The_NerdWell, I must go
23:23:09Paul_The_NerdGood luck
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23:23:13newbyx86Darn. I was gonna say thanks.
23:23:14newbyx86Oh well.
23:23:25newbyx86I'm gonna restore it on a NON-HI-SPEED USB port. Which means it'll take for-freaking-ever.
23:23:31linuxstbnewbyx86: If you want to compile yourself, replace lines 410-415 of firmware/usb.c (the ipod USB detection code) with the single line "current_status = false;"
23:24:24newbyx86Hmm...alright, if this doesn't work I'll give that a shit.
23:24:45newbyx86Whoops. Meant shot.
23:24:49newbyx86How'd I miss and hit 'I'? :(
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23:25:40zebecause you're using qwerty which puts the o and the i next to each other just for that circumstance
23:25:47newbyx86Hmm. I wonder if renaming the "iPod_Control" folder to "iPod_Control_backup" would allow me to save my settings when I do restore.
23:25:59newbyx86Unless it just reformats the whole stinkin' thing.
23:27:31*amiconn appears
23:27:54amiconnpetur: Your code policing has a probably unwanted side effect the way you did it...
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23:28:44XavierGramiconn: any advice on new greek.lang? It's huge, what do you recommend?
23:28:57amiconnMake it smaller...
23:29:38XavierGreasy to say but...
23:29:44amiconnIt's too bad that we probably won't be able to do the full langv2 rework
23:29:49XavierGrI will have to 'dot' most of the strings
23:29:59amiconnThis should save quite some space
23:30:13amiconnI mean, do it before release
23:30:17XavierGramiconn: won't be better to drop all voice entries?
23:30:37XavierGrI mean for greek.lang
23:30:38amiconnThat wouldn't help anything regarding the .lng size
23:30:53XavierGrah didn't know that
23:31:05XavierGrI thought it had to do with the output file
23:31:20XavierGrthen how on earth the output lng file is so big?
23:31:31amiconnYou wrote too much ;)
23:31:41amiconnNah, I think it has to do with utf-8
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23:32:54amiconnStrings won't become much larger for languages which use mostly plain latin, but they will become larger for non-latin scripts, like greek, russian etc
23:33:12XavierGramiconn: so I guess increasing the lang buffer by 2kB is out of the question?
23:33:42amiconnI think we'll have to do that, at least temporarily (until the langv2 rework will be done)
23:33:45*amiconn sighs
23:34:00XavierGrok that suits me :)
23:34:30XavierGrcan't we just locate the lang buffer dynamically? Something like the dir buffer?
23:34:40amiconnI think scripts like greek and cyrillic are the worst (no offense) wrt string length
23:34:49XavierGryes indeed
23:35:14amiconnchinese, korean etc suffer less because although they use multi-byte chars, they usually need less chars to express a word
23:37:03XavierGraslo navigating with unicode font is like hell!
23:37:27XavierGrEvery 2 menus it will start spinning the disk.
23:37:39Mikachudo you use any latin chars in the greek translation?
23:37:58Mikachuyou could do some ugly live transliteration
23:37:59XavierGrMikachu: rarely but yes.
23:38:44XavierGrMikachu: Like put latin characters in place of the same greek?
23:39:13amiconnIn fact there already was the idea to mark the charset used in a .lng file, to avoid that the user unintentionally selects a font which doesn't contain the required glyphs
23:39:23*petur appears
23:39:26Mikachuor maybe it would be better to just use the proper iso8859 encoding
23:39:47XavierGrbut where is that font lost?
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23:40:17pattersonoh golly. this would be a swell place to do product development
23:40:24XavierGrI remember it was in the builds last time. But I can't find it even on the font pack.
23:40:29amiconnI dunno whether it would pay off, but we could even go one step further, and mark th e.lng file as using a specific codepage, and have the strings in that codepage instead of utf-8
23:40:51amiconnThe increase in code size might eat up the gain from smaller strings though
23:41:24Mikachuit would for any other language
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23:42:06amiconnXavierGr: I wouldn't replace greek chars with latin chars. It might look really ugly depending on the font
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23:42:27Mikachui just forgot the greek encoding is single byte, it was a silly suggestion
23:43:32XavierGrThe good thing is that the voice entries I made won't be a waste if this doens't has to do with lng size.
23:43:33amiconnGreek letters in utf-8 take more than one byte
23:43:43Mikachuyeah obviously :)
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23:47:01peturamiconn: what's the side-effect of my change in backlight.c? More time without interrupts? It's so critical in that function?
23:47:23amiconnIt means interrupts are disabled for a longer time
23:47:49peturthat function is only called when the user changes brightness
23:48:13amiconnThis isn't critical *in* that function, but everything that disables interrupts for a longer time can be critical for other places
23:48:25amiconn...especially on swcodec
23:48:36peturI'll change it, ok?
23:48:58amiconnNot that it matters much in this case, it's still a pretty short function.
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23:49:16amiconnBut imho, interrupts should only be disabled as long as absolutely necessary,
23:49:30peturthen why not one level deeper?
23:49:34amiconnwhich is in this case only for protecting the pcf50606 transfer
23:50:20amiconnHow do you mean, one level deeper?
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23:50:38peturin pcf50606.c
23:51:11peturit of course means that if you do several things interrupts go off-on-off-on-...
23:51:54amiconnYes, and an isr could cut into a set of transfers that should be done in a defined sequence...
23:52:05Bagdernow that is a weird bit combo to achive that
23:52:35amiconn17,652284811845305424671831101899 bits
23:52:48amiconn(the , should have been a . )
23:52:58Bagderhah, and then further down they claim 260K colors
23:53:00Rorilol you can now buy ipods from vending machines
23:53:17zei noticed a lot of mobile devices with color claim 260,000 colors
23:53:36zewhich i assume is rounding for the number of colors that 18 bit would give you
23:53:57zeand have to wonder why so many mobile devices also have weird bit depths like 15 and 18
23:53:59Bagderze: this page says 206000 first and then 260K, that's the amusing part
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23:54:22Bagderze: most devices boast 18bit but only use 16
23:54:31Bagderand its not odd at all
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23:54:47Bagderthere's lots of LCDs out there with 15 and 18 bit depths
23:54:52pattersonagh. machine code optimizers
23:55:06webguest88I have now lost all respect for that apple lol you can now buy ipods from vending machines
23:55:25pattersonya'll shoud be writing compilers
23:55:29zewebguest88: what, in japan?
23:55:46Rorino us
23:56:05zeok now thats just stupid to put expensive stuff in vending machines in the US
23:56:43zesomebody'll hitch the whole machine to their pickup truck and pull it off
23:56:50peturamiconn: one more thing before I go: the 24c02 (if that's what it is) doesn't like our i2c code. I get consistent but wrong readings. Unless I'm not accessing an eeprom of course. It's configured at address 1 btw.
23:56:55pattersonto the atm machine
23:57:17pattersonze. might want to vist albania
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23:57:28pattersonwhere brute force methods apply
23:57:41amiconnpetur: You should ask Linus about the i2c itself. I just optimised the signal sequences, but didn't alter their order
23:57:43pattersonas opposed to estonia
23:58:07pattersonbut golly. i'm going to hawaii
23:58:38petur'night all
23:58:40pattersonwhenever mind
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23:58:49webguest88sounds like a darn good idea
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