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#rockbox log for 2006-05-28

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00:01:52markunBagder: Did LinusN ever compare the quality of 16-bit vs 18-bit on the X5?
00:02:05Bagderthere is no 18bit on the x5
00:02:18Bagderits a blatant lie
00:02:36newbyx86Good news, bad news.
00:02:47newbyx86Good news is that I can still restore my iPod. Bad news is that it still screws up. :P
00:02:50markunWe can set the Gigabeat to 18bit, I might try it once just to check how it looks.
00:03:25dpronewbyx86: in what way ?
00:03:34Bagdermarkun: its a real performance hit to go 16 => 32 bit for the framebuffer stuff
00:03:44markunYes, I know
00:03:46Bagdermarkun: but of course you may be able to deal with it ;-)
00:03:50newbyx86dpro, were you here earlier when I said that it thinks it's connected to USB when it's not?
00:04:06amiconnmarkun: Better invent some kick-ass mono bitmap drawing before switching to 18bit. You will be bogging down the whole thing one step further...
00:04:14newbyx86Well, Paul told me to try installing Rockbox on another computer. So I tried it on Windows and it still screws up.
00:04:17dpronewbyx86: nope I was out ... hmm sounds bad ...
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00:04:46dpronewbyx86: and I guess you've been through all the hard reset, test mode business etc...
00:05:09newbyx86And what's weird is that restoring the old partition has the same bug. I'll eject it and it'll think it's connected via USB still.
00:05:10*amiconn needs some ideas how to speed up mono bitmaps in general
00:05:33dprohmmm no idea maybe some pins are shorted ?
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00:05:47newbyx86I doubt it. When I do a "Restore" it works just fine.
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00:05:55amiconnI have some ideas how to speed them up on coldfire, but these ideas involve rather complex, coldfire-centric handling of memory lines
00:05:56newbyx86And if I boot into the original firmware and plug in a power cord and unplug it, it works fine.
00:06:19dpronewbyx86: ah ok ... so it's rockbox' fault
00:06:28newbyx86No. It's not. When I boot into the original firmware, it'll say it's plugged in.
00:06:33newbyx86But if I plug in a power cord and unplug it, it'll work just fine.
00:06:42newbyx86RockBox just automatically restarts when it detects USB, so I can't fix it like that. :P
00:06:51amiconnIf we wouldn't have that bitmap backdrop stuff, it would be considerably easier to speed things up...
00:06:52dprothat sounds completely odd
00:07:03newbyx86It is pretty weird. Apparently it's been reported like 3 or 4 times tops, and it's elusive.
00:07:17newbyx86According to a few other people.
00:07:28Roriwhat mAh is the battery on the Nano 4gb?
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00:13:41dpronewbyx86: what ipod model is that
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00:15:56newbyx86It's an 60gb iPod photo.
00:16:49Roriis the Nano battery 330 mAh or 380 mAh? I get conflicting answers
00:17:18dpronewbyx86: photo not video ? (I wasn't aware there was a 60Gb photo)
00:17:26Aghasteris the screen resolution for 60gb iPod photo? 220x176?
00:17:28newbyx86It's when Apple made the "iPod Photo" when it was the only colored iPod out.
00:17:49newbyx86It was quickly phased out when they started allowing current iPods to be color and view photos.
00:17:50Aghasterthe 4th gen, color
00:17:57Aghasterjust between 4th b&w and 5th gen
00:18:02Aghasteri have one
00:18:22newbyx86Me too. Mine is being lame.
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00:18:49newbyx86Brb, gonna do restore on it again.
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00:22:40lamedhey everybody! I'm having problems with running the sdl sim on vmware, if someone can quickly address this issue on: I'll be very glad, as I wouldn't have internet connection for a while within couple of hours... thanks.
00:26:36Rorihmm. seems the Nano uses a 330 mAh battery. You can upgrade it to 400 mAh. I wonder how much extra playback you would get on that
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00:27:27XavierGrlamed: I see a lot of people look at your thread right now! :P
00:27:46XavierGr"XavierGr, sharpe, amiconn, linuxstb, Road Runner and 2 Guests are viewing this topic."
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00:31:27lamedgoodnight, hope for an answer until morning light
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00:31:33Roriquestion: when using Apple's fw on Nano when I hit pause and hold it shuts off. But if I hit it again it comes back on immediately. Whereas Rockbox seems to go through a full boot sequence each time. Is the Apple fw just going into standby each time? If so can Rockbox do that? Also I'd like to be able to set Rockbox to idle off less than 1 minute. Or go to stanby after 30 secs of no use.
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00:34:40Roridecided to post my questions on the forum since folks are idling off
00:35:07BagderRori: the OF goes to sleep
00:35:14Bagderand Rockbox does a full shutdown
00:35:45newbyx86Ahh, this is driving me bonkers.
00:35:53newbyx86cc1: Invalid option `long-calls'
00:36:10Bagdernewbyx86: sounds like a weird gcc version
00:36:29Roriin sleep mode it uses a trickle power obviously. I'd like to see that as a selectable option in RockBox.
00:36:57Roriand what happened to the Nano forum? it seems to have lost all it's posts
00:37:08Bagderuh, why would it charge differently in sleep mode?
00:37:44Roricharge differently?
00:37:46BagderRori: the nano forum was created yday
00:37:52Bagderit never had many posts
00:38:00RoriNo no you missread. Nano just uses a standby trickle of power
00:38:07Bagderuh, "trickle"
00:38:25newbyx86Hmm. Weird. My system didn't come with a version of gcc that has arm-elf-gcc.
00:38:26Bagderthat's a tiny amount then
00:38:32Roriif it's in sleep mode it obviously is still drawing power
00:38:42Bagdernewbyx86: no systems do, afaik
00:39:00newbyx86Badger, ah. I need to compile gcc myself then. :p
00:39:01BagderRori: yes, which is one reason no one has bothered to do it for Rockbox
00:39:07Roribut if you leave it does it then turn off completely on original firmware? not tested myself
00:39:09Bagderalso, Rockbox boot pretty fast
00:39:31Bagderas I hear, it does turn off after some time
00:39:34newbyx86Badger: do I have to compile gcc with any special parameters to generate the arm-elf-gcc?
00:39:53Roriwell it would still be nice as an 'option' in RB
00:39:59Bagdertry the tools/ script!
00:40:16Rorijust wishing and maybe someone will add it :)
00:40:32RoriI actually dislike the way the Nano switches off
00:40:55newbyx86There is no tools/ script in this installation. Should I get the one off of cvs?
00:41:18newbyx86(The source off of CVS)
00:41:33Roribut then I guess they was going for minimal buttons to push
00:41:34Bagderah, I guess so
00:41:43Bagdernewbyx86: you want the sources off CVS anyway ;-)
00:42:08RoriI'd prefer a quick click power off instead of a hold myself
00:42:25newbyx86Badger, ok. :)
00:43:11newbyx86co rockbox then co fonts, or does co rockbox-devel get both?
00:43:13RoriLike hit menu twice in quick succession and it powers off
00:43:35newbyx86Ooh, apparently co rockbox comes with fonts. Or at least a fonts folder.
00:43:37Bagdernewbyx86: I believe rockbox-devel gets the lot you want
00:44:00Bagderplain 'rockbox' lacks the simulator stuff, iirc
00:44:08newbyx86Badger, mmk. I'll grab that one then.
00:45:45newbyx86Badger, do I still need to checkout the fonts? I want to make a zip, and following the HowToCompile in the wiki says yes.
00:45:51sharpei just check out rockbox, and simulator whenever i need the updated sim...
00:46:30Bagdernewbyx86: actually, you don't need the fonts these days since a regular 'make zip' no longer includes the fonts
00:46:34newbyx86Ahh, ok.
00:46:55Bagderthe docs is a bit lagging on that behalf
00:47:23sharpeBSA claims 35% of software is pirated...
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00:48:18sharpei highly doubt that's close to actual percentages...
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00:49:24Mikachudo they mean sold copies or used copies?
00:50:01sharpejust says, "35 % of the packaged software installed on PCs worldwide in 2005 was illegal..."
00:50:19Mikachuhm, packaged
00:50:24Mikachuthat must mean sold copies then
00:50:47sharpemaybe they include licensing violations for the software for like, one copy per computer...
00:51:17XavierGr61% is reported on Greece.
00:53:50sharpei find it somewhat hard to believe.
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01:01:23newbyx86Awesome. That shell script worked flawlessely. Thanks, Badger.
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01:05:18newbyx86Badger, what is the difference between the simulator build and the normal build?
01:05:35newbyx86I'm gonna wager a guess that the simulator allows you to test it out on the host system, but how exactly?
01:06:27Bagderit builds rockbox natively and shows its UI using sdl
01:06:36Bagderit simulates the low-level stuff
01:06:45Mikachudon't you mean high level?
01:06:50Bagderbut buttons and LCD stuff etc is the same code
01:06:56Mikachudepends on what way you're looking perhaps
01:07:46markunBagder: what do you think about this rule for forum posts?
01:07:48newbyx86Let's see if this hack worked. Woot.
01:07:50newbyx86It did.
01:07:54newbyx86Now I don't have to worry about the USB freaking out on me.
01:08:02newbyx86"oh noes usb is plugged in"
01:10:38newbyx86Awesome. Works flawlessely after disabling automatic USB detection.
01:10:42newbyx86Thanks to everyone who helped. :)
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01:24:00shrizzaAnybody experiencing crashes when playing really long MP3 files?
01:24:28shrizzaLong MP3s such as spoken word files.
01:24:40shrizzaThat go on for maybe 15-30 minutes.
01:24:57shrizzaWell, longer than 15 minutes anyway.
01:25:09shrizzaThis is on an iPod.
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01:28:40dproI sseem to recall sth like that being mentioned here a while ago ... but I definitely played longer files without crashes and got some ATA blabla crashes even with normal music files
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01:40:49AghasterDoes anybody speaks Esperanto in here, except Markun and Me?
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01:41:43sharpei can say "Esperanto," if that's what you mean by speaking it. :)
01:41:45shrizzaI don't know. The crashes with longer files are regular for me.
01:42:12shrizzaTo the point where I honestly don't remember ever making it to the end of any of my spoken word files with rockbox.
01:43:01Aghasterlol, sharpe
01:43:07 Quit ender` (" All power corrupts, but we need electricity.")
01:43:35AghasterI meant someone kiu povas paroli la lingvon kaj povas respondi tiu demando: cxu vi parolas esperanton?
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01:44:04Mikachui've had no problems listening to ~30 minutes pimsleur lessons, but they were ogg
01:44:22***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:44:27Aghastermeh, pimsleur doesn't teach you how to write, that's definitly not for me
01:44:31Aghasteri need to read
01:44:56Aghasterin order to understand
01:44:56Mikachuit's obviously a complement to other forms of stud
01:45:12Aghasterwhat language?
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01:45:48Aghastertranslating rockbox is loooooooooooooooooooooooong
01:45:51Mikachu(that's japanese in japanese)
01:45:57Aghasteryeah, i know
01:46:19Mikachuthe ones who quietly read our conversation might not :)
01:47:04Aghasteris rockbox translated in japanese?
01:47:18Mikachuyeah, no idea how up-to-date it is though
01:47:38Aghasterhow many strings are there to translate?
01:47:53Aghasteri didn't count them, as it would have discouraged me to start lol
01:48:05Aghasterbut now that i'm half-way, i may know.
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01:48:59Mikachuno idea
01:49:21newbyx86Hmm. Odd. The thing seems to skip a lot now. :(
01:49:42Aghasternewbyx86: make sure you use a theme without a peak
01:49:50obo_Aghaster: I make it 608
01:49:59Aghasterthe peak makes my ipod skip a lot
01:50:10Aghasterobo: ok. 608, uh...
01:50:14Aghasteri must be around 300 now
01:51:21newbyx86I'm using the default theme.
01:51:41newbyx86I never messed around with the peak.
01:51:42Aghasterthe default theme has a peak
01:51:50Aghasterwell, give it a try?
01:51:55Aghasterchange to the dancing puffs lol
01:51:58Aghasteri like that one
01:52:02newbyx86Does that have a peak?
01:52:09Aghasterdancing puffs nope
01:52:10Aghasterno peak
01:52:12newbyx86Awesome. I'll give that a shot.
01:52:33Aghasterand you have funny dancing puffs that dance while you listen to your music with that theme... lol
01:52:35newbyx86Sweet. Thanks, Aghaster.
01:52:49Aghasterit stopped skipping?
01:53:29newbyx86obo_, I've browsed through there.
01:53:35newbyx86I didn't know that the peak would cause that.
01:53:45Aghasterwhat mp3 player are you using?
01:53:48newbyx86iPod Photo 60gb
01:53:52newbyx86(it's basically a 4th gen color)
01:53:54Aghasterthe exact same i have
01:54:17Aghastertry the voltAmp theme
01:54:19Aghasterits quite nice
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01:54:26newbyx86Where's that one at?
01:54:29Aghaster(its in colors, not like dancing puff)
01:56:42Aghasterobo_: do you need how can i add additional characters to existing fonts?
01:56:49Aghasternot all fonts currently support esperanto
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01:57:18Aghasterand display a void space instead of the characters they cant display
01:57:40newbyx86Codec failure wtf? :(
01:57:56newbyx86Man my iPod is screwy.
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01:58:16obo_also check the very last link on that page
01:58:35Aghasternewby: reboot
01:58:42newbyx86Yeah, I did.
01:58:50obo_newbyx86: what kind of file?
01:58:54newbyx86obo_, mp3.
01:58:56Aghasteri once had a codec failure, i rebooted and it never came back
01:59:00Aghasterand it was with mp3
01:59:18obo_does that same file have any issues playing on a pc?
01:59:25newbyx860 issues.
01:59:32obo_weird indeed
01:59:36Aghasterdoes it work after reboot?
02:00:24newbyx86What's weird now is that I can see like, every file in my iPod's root directory.
02:00:52Aghasterthat's a setting, i dont remember where, but you can set what files you wanna show
02:01:05newbyx86What's the A in the upper right corner mean?
02:01:23Aghasternot something that i know of
02:01:25sharpeare you sure it's an A?
02:01:30newbyx86It's an A.
02:01:36newbyx86On the theme with the dancing puff thins.
02:01:49sharpei couldn't tell you.
02:02:22Aghasteryou like the dancing puffs, don't you ? ;)
02:02:29newbyx86It's the only theme I can use. Of course I do. :p
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02:04:44Aghasterare you a programmer, newbyx86?
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02:06:28newbyx86I used to program.
02:06:31newbyx86I haven't programmed in a while.
02:06:39newbyx86Anyway, any idea what I can do when the thing refuses to let me browse through my files?
02:06:43newbyx86I'll push back, and it won't go up the directory.
02:06:55Aghasterits the left button
02:07:02newbyx86I am pushing the left button.
02:07:21Aghastermeh. yeah, responsivity from what i've seen so far is kinda bad
02:07:29Aghasteri dont know if its the same on other mp3 players
02:07:36newbyx86I know I tried it on an iPod mini and it works wonderfully.
02:07:47sharpenewbyx86: are you already at the root of the drive?
02:07:50newbyx86sharpe, no.
02:07:50Aghasterso its only our ipod model?
02:07:59newbyx86Aghaster, it would appear so. We got the short end of the stick. :(
02:08:09oboDo you have "first keypress enables backlight only" enabled?
02:08:16newbyx86sharpe, I'm in a folder "Music/Artillery/Artillery - 1999 - B.A.C.K."
02:08:16Aghasternewbyx86: not if we get involved in the ipod port
02:08:18newbyx86obo, let me check.
02:08:25newbyx86Aghaster, maybe. Summer is coming up, I could code a lot. :)
02:08:40newbyx86obo, yes it's enabled.
02:08:40AghasterI'm currently working on the Esperanto port XD
02:08:52newbyx86I turned it off, and it still fails.
02:08:56sharpeAghaster: you mean, translation? :P
02:09:15Aghasterbut have you watched the mailing list recently?
02:09:20newbyx86What sucks is that this thing thinks it's plugged in to USB, and refuses to sleep. :P
02:09:31Aghasterit looks like blind programmers will help adding text-to-speech integration to rockbox
02:09:49Aghasterand the text-to-speech program program they were interested in supports esperanto
02:09:56Aghastero.O which is kinda nice, hehe
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02:10:43Aghasterblind esperantists could use the ipod... haha
02:11:04Aghasterno joke but i've already seen a blind esperantist, so it exists XD
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02:12:24Kowalskishit. regged.
02:12:34Kowalskithis is my usal nick
02:12:38Kowalskiits regger here and efnet
02:12:47Kowalski...not by me
02:13:10Kowalskiquick question
02:13:24Kowalskiipod video 5g-can i use rockbox as a suitable firmware replacement.
02:13:30Kowalskias in, si there full audio support yet?
02:14:08Mikachuam i not trustworthy?
02:14:11Kowalskiand is it expandable as ipodlinux is?
02:14:18Kowalskirockbox, i mean
02:14:29sharpeif i understand what you mean, yes.
02:14:30Aghasterexpandable, you mean with plugins? or open source? it has both
02:14:35Kowalskibecause ipl is pretty cool..... but audio doesnt seem to work for my 5g.
02:14:43Kowalskii mean, like games
02:14:59Mikachudoom is even included in the default install
02:15:11Mikachu(not the actual wads)
02:15:15sharpealong with packman.
02:15:16Aghastermikachu: in my install doom missed the wad file
02:15:21Kowalskithanks a lot guys :D
02:15:21newbyx86Mine too.
02:15:26newbyx86I had to get it out of my prboom installation. :P
02:15:34Kowalskii usually get a link to google whenever i ask about shit on irc.... heh :P
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02:15:58Kowalskilast one
02:16:05Kowalskiis it installable using windows
02:16:10sharpewell, if you need to find doom wads and pacman roms, that's what you'll have to use.
02:16:25Mikachudoes the faq need updating?
02:16:50Kowalskii had to track down a ubuntu iso to get ipl 5g working before the official installer was updated.
02:17:24sharpedetermined, aren't you?
02:17:35Mikachuyou can install rockbox under windows
02:17:47Kowalskiah. i see that now
02:17:53Kowalskiand does it have mp4 support yet?
02:17:58sharpenow it must me that is untrustworthy.
02:18:00Kowalskias in, uses the ipod's video decoder
02:18:16Kowalskiah, damn
02:18:24Kowalskiwell... downloading
02:18:28dprokowalski: so you have i ?pl working nicely on 5g
02:18:29sharpeno video supported by rockbox... except, only if the archoses still do that one format... but just ignore that.
02:18:39Kowalskidpro, exept for audio, yes
02:18:46Kowalskithe audio menu doesnt even come up
02:18:51Kowalskijust games, demos, and utilitis
02:19:06newbyx86Where are the wads supposed to go for Doom?
02:19:11Kowalskioh, and fucking last one.
02:19:12newbyx86It says /games/ but that ain't the case for me. :P
02:19:22newbyx86Wait. Never mind.
02:19:23newbyx86I'm retarded.
02:19:24newbyx86Hold on. :p
02:19:28Kowalski-_- sorry fgor these, but does rockbox have sleep mode compatibility?
02:19:40Kowalskias in, not take 20 minutes to boot up then 5 to shut off?
02:19:47sharpenot really... it's more of a deep sleep.
02:20:00sharpeno, rockbox is quick to boot/shutdown.
02:20:18Kowalskithe windows installer doesnt have an ipod selectiojn
02:20:44Kowalskiill just do it the olde fashionede waye
02:21:02sharpeback in my day, we didn't have a new-fangled installer...
02:21:35Kowalskiso, what players y'alls use with rockbox?
02:21:49MikachuKowalski: rockbox boots from complete shutdown in a few seconds
02:22:11newbyx86hahaha, doom is awesome.
02:22:17Kowalskiipl takes atleast 2-3 minutes to load, then initialise all my plugins
02:22:23sharpeit's true! it's me now! it went off Mikachu to me! :(
02:22:23Kowalskiwhich = bad
02:22:41Mikachusharpe: eh?
02:22:56newbyx86Now if only I could do iddqd on an iPod. :P
02:23:03Aghasternewbyx86: You said responsivity was good on the ipod mini?
02:23:16sharpeMikachu: the untrustworthiness.
02:23:31Aghasterbut you experience bad responsivity on our model?
02:24:06newbyx86Very well done on the iPod mini.
02:24:08Kowalskiumm.... fuck
02:24:10newbyx86On this one I've experienced bugs in the daily builds.
02:24:14newbyx86I had to hack the source for it to work :P
02:24:26Aghasteri didnt have to do
02:24:35newbyx86Mine thought it was always plugged in via USB.
02:24:38Aghastermy build is dated from a week ago
02:24:55sharpenewbyx86: what do you mean?
02:25:08newbyx86sharpe, whenever rockbox would boot, it would show me the USB picture
02:25:10newbyx86and restart into disk mode
02:25:13newbyx86or some form of disk mode, anyhow.
02:25:18Aghasterwell, i think i'll file a bug/improvment for the 60gig color iPod responsivity
02:25:27newbyx86ipod photo
02:25:30newbyx86it's a 4th gen color :p
02:25:30sharpewas this with, or without the usb cable plugged in?
02:25:43Kowalski"installign the bootloader is the trickiest part of the installation ... due to legal reasons ... need to get an origional firmware from your player's manufacturer homepage ... modify it to include the rockbox bootloader"
02:25:48sharpeooh. fun,
02:25:57Kowalskihow the hell do i do that, if i may ask?
02:26:04MikachuKowalski: continue reading the instructions
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02:26:22sharpeextract it from the ipod update utility using ipodwizard.
02:26:31newbyx86Mmm. Doom with an iPod is hard. :P
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02:27:13sharpei wonder if midkay has found the problem that i could now...
02:27:20Kowalskimikachu.... os just extract the files to my ipod's hdd.... then restart
02:27:30Kowalskiwill that do anything?
02:27:34newbyx86Haha. What are you supposed to do for NIGHTMARE MODE.
02:27:37newbyx86It asks you "y/n"
02:27:38newbyx86 :P
02:27:44MikachuKowalski: guy read the installation instructions
02:27:48sharpeKowalski: not without the bootloader.
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02:28:25Mikachucryothermal: please turn that message off
02:28:43KowalskiMikachu, it doesnt tell me anywhere how to install the bootloader
02:28:52Kowalskiunless its at the end or something
02:28:55Mikachusurely it must
02:29:05sharpeKowalski: what exactly, are you reading?
02:29:15Kowalskiall it says under installing hte bootloader is what i repeated above
02:29:33Mikachuthat is perhaps what most people would call incorrect
02:30:18Kowalskithe pdfis diff'
02:30:23Kowalski*pdf is diff*
02:30:43Mikachuokay, that page is what you want to read
02:31:54midkaysharpe, i haven't even touched the source! :D
02:33:30Aghasternewbyx86: an ipod mini doesnt have a clickwheel, isnt it?
02:34:15newbyx86It's got the same wheel as like, the current iPods.
02:35:08Aghasterbug reported
02:35:22sharpehah, now i remember why i never compiled the bootloader.
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02:38:22Aghasternewbyx86: its time to get back to programming, hehe
02:38:47AghasterI've rarely seen a project so active
02:39:14Aghasterthere are cvs commits everyday and several emails in the mailing list everyday
02:39:20newbyx86I haven't programmed in so long.
02:39:25newbyx86And when I stopped, I got in the bad habit of VB6 :X
02:39:29newbyx86Coding some C/C++ will be nice. :)
02:39:37Aghasteryeah, getting back to the good habits
02:39:44newbyx86Yeah. I got into bot development.
02:39:53Aghasterthats nice
02:39:54newbyx86And since there was so much open-source VB crap and I didn't wanna dedicate my time to C bots.
02:39:56newbyx86I figured "Eh, why not?"
02:39:59newbyx86So I got hooked on VB.
02:40:09Aghasteri see
02:40:11newbyx86And found myself rewriting lots of the code and eventually it dawned on me.
02:40:12sharpei never liked vb
02:40:14newbyx86"Why not jus twrite it in something like C?"
02:40:14Aghasterhow old are you?
02:40:16newbyx86So I stopped programming.
02:40:23Aghasteri'm 17
02:40:45Aghasteri write C++, and i'll have to learn the differences between C and C++ before programming in rockbox
02:40:55Aghasteri wrote a C++ tutorial
02:41:02newbyx86I like C.
02:41:09Aghasteryeah, i think i'll like it too
02:41:15newbyx86Whenever I write C it's because I'm disassembling something and writing a key generator for a game.
02:41:32newbyx86 <−− I actually wasted my time and cracked all of those games. :P
02:41:43newbyx86Well, at least everything after Nethergate.
02:41:46newbyx86The Avernum / Geneforge series.
02:42:05Aghasterdamn... you're better than me lol
02:42:07newbyx86I made a key generator, and that was the extent of my knowledge in the last ~year.
02:42:12Aghasterat what age did you start to program6
02:42:23Aghasteryou started earlier than me
02:42:28Aghasterdon't stop it
02:42:32newbyx86I coded until I turned 15, then it clicked and I slacked off.
02:42:41newbyx86Occasionally looking at assembly and reading what viruses did.
02:42:42newbyx86And such.
02:42:51Aghasterdo you run linux?
02:42:53*newbyx86 nods.
02:42:55newbyx86Slackware Linux 10.1
02:43:03Aghasterok, i see
02:43:06newbyx86I spoof, dj.
02:43:06Aghasteri'm using gentoo
02:43:07dj-fu-newbyx86- VERSION mIRC v6.69 Khaled Mardam-Bey
02:43:17newbyx86Hmm, what's that set option to return true version.
02:43:25Aghasteros[Linux 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 x86_64] distro[Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ @ 2.40GHz] mem[Physical : 1001MB, 68.1% free] disk[Total : 314.98GB, 51.40% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]] sound[]
02:43:31dj-fugentoo is wehre it's at.
02:43:36newbyx86go ahead
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02:43:46newbyx86CTCP 'er up.
02:43:49dj-fuI believe you, newbyx86 - there is no 6.69 version of mIRC
02:43:56newbyx86-newbyx86- VERSION xchat 2.6.2 Linux 2.4.31 [i686/3.40GHz]
02:43:57newbyx86-newbyx86- VERSION mIRC v6.69 Khaled Mardam-Bey
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02:44:20newbyx86I tried Gentoo.
02:44:28newbyx86The graphical installer failed me and it was like, 1 in the morning.
02:44:35dj-fugentoo is about manual install
02:44:37newbyx86and I didn't care to start again with the networked installer since my router was being gay.
02:44:41dj-fuall of the installers usually fail
02:44:43Aghasteri never used the graphical installer of gentoo
02:44:43newbyx86So I just stuck FreeBSD in and installed FreeBSD on my laptop. :P
02:44:48sharpefunally got bootloader builds to work.
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02:45:19newbyx86Well, if I don't dick around with the tag database, Rockbox works solid on my iPod.
02:45:40Aghasteri dont use the tag database
02:45:48Aghasteri like the directory based browsing
02:45:49newbyx86I wanted to try it out, but if I resort back to file browsing, it freaks on me.
02:45:52newbyx86And won't let me go up.
02:46:13newbyx86But yeah, I hate tag databases. I don't know why. My tags normally aren't 100% correct so that could be it.
02:47:26Aghasterthere are only two things that i don't like in rockbox: bad responsivity on my model, and reduced (by much) battery life
02:47:35newbyx86Haha. The battery life seems fine.
02:47:38newbyx86I played Doom for 10 minutes and it was about the same.
02:47:47newbyx86Responsitivity, if I click something it'll take a bit to go into it.
02:47:50Aghasterwell, it dropped for about the third of what it was on apple firmware
02:47:50newbyx86like it's spinning the drive up.
02:47:55newbyx86And wow, that's a lot.
02:48:00newbyx86Especially for something that's done nothing but extend life for me. :P
02:48:03newbyx86How long is your anti-spin buffer?
02:48:51newbyx86I really need to reinstall my OS. It's gotten so slow as of lately. I mean, it takes like 2 minutes to move 300mb across USB2.
02:48:52newbyx86And I'm on SATA.
02:49:00newbyx86SATA−−>USB2 should be a lot quicker than that. :p
02:49:09Aghasterrunning slackware?
02:49:22newbyx86I wonder if upgrading to the 2.6 series would do anything different.
02:49:29Aghasterwhere do i change anti-spin buffer?
02:49:37Aghasteryou run 2.4.x?
02:49:45newbyx86It came default.
02:49:52Aghasternot a good answer
02:50:05newbyx86I don't care enough to upgrade, really. Never had the issue of security threats or stability or features.
02:50:10Aghastermost distros today let you choose anyway
02:50:30Aghasterhow do i change anti-spin buffer?
02:50:42newbyx86General Settings
02:50:45newbyx86Anti-Spin Buffer
02:50:50newbyx86Set it to 5 seconds if it isn't already.
02:53:19Kowalskifucking shit
02:53:27Kowalskithe install for ipodlinux users is GAYYY
02:53:47sharpeKowalski: we love you tooo
02:53:56Kowalski(make sure you move the firmware file to the ipod_fw folder, and rename it to bootpartition.bin first).
02:53:56BHSPitMonkeyexcuse me?
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02:54:00Kowalskiwhere the hell is that?
02:54:30BHSPitMonkeyyou don't have to do jack squat if you already have iPL installed. just extract the rockbox zip to the fat32 root and you're done.
02:54:39sharpewoo! i've MSDos 7.1 now. now, to let it sit on my harddrive.
02:54:49*Kowalski 's eye twitches
02:55:05newbyx86iPL bootloader can detect rockbox
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02:55:09sharpeah, the love.
02:55:12KowalskiIf you have already installed ipodlinux on your iPod, then c.1) above will not work for you - you will need to follow this paragraph. If you have not installed ipodlinux, you can ignore this step.
02:55:13newbyx86Paul, I still had the problem in Windows.
02:55:20Kowalskithat needs to be different.
02:55:23newbyx86When I did the bootloader and software install in Windows.
02:55:27BHSPitMonkeyKowalski: which bootloader do you have?
02:55:27Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: On the other computer?
02:55:36Kowalskithe non-selecting one
02:55:37newbyx86I just took linuxstb's advice and patched the code myself. :P
02:55:50BHSPitMonkeyKowalski: oh, then you should change that :)
02:55:51Kowalskii can put the selecting one on, though
02:56:12Kowalskiworking on it.
02:56:15BHSPitMonkeyif you install ipodloader2, then that's all you need to boot rockbox.
02:56:21Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Yeah, that will solve the problem for you. I'm still curious though as to what _causes_ it. =/
02:56:31newbyx86I have no clue, to be honest.
02:56:41newbyx86I tried it three or four times.
02:56:43newbyx86No success whatsoever.
02:56:48newbyx86Windows *and* Linux
02:57:39Paul_The_NerdSince it happens on two computers in two OSes, the only common elements any more are the iPod itself, and the cable. We can _probably_ rule out the cable, so it's something about the hardware in the iPod, or the Apple Firmware Bootloader
02:58:09newbyx86I did the restore thing, and iirc, it took a while to realize it wasn't connected.
02:58:12newbyx86It would sit and then finally go away.
02:58:31newbyx86But when I dd'd over the old firmware after installing RockBox and getting the same error, it never went away.
02:58:49newbyx86(by a while in the original scenario, I mean like, 5-10 seconds)
03:00:53Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: It's a _really_ strange bug. Could I ask one more favour of you? Could you dd if=/dev/sdf1 of=blah.bin then immediately dd if=blah.bin /dev/sdf1, without disconnecting it (after a restore, assuming you haven't already reloaded music. It's okay if you don't feel like it).
03:01:13newbyx86Hah. I've been rockin' the RockBox at the moment.
03:01:28newbyx86But if it'll help the project, I'm up for it.
03:03:00Paul_The_NerdI'm just curious because if you never disconnect the device, the firmware partition _should_ be exactly identical, and there should be no signs of change. Actually, after doing that, I'd be really interested in dd if=/def/sdf1 of=blah2.bin, and something to maybe do a binary comparison between the two files (that is, blah2.bin should be a pure retail OS that is having the plugged in issue)
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03:04:05Kowalski!folder on boot
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03:04:17Kowalskifuck ipodlinux, im starting from scratch.
03:04:37Kowalskiafter a restore operation >_<
03:05:08sharpei wonder if i should backup things on this one drive to dvds...
03:05:12Kowalski28iish gigs over usb = painfullness
03:05:22newbyx86Alright, restoring now.
03:05:25newbyx86(wow, Windows is so freaking slow ;()
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03:08:29newbyx86You want me to compare /dev/sdf1 and blah2.bin?
03:08:30newbyx86I can do that.
03:08:59Kowalskiwell, uh
03:09:06Kowalskiipod updater wont recognise my ipod
03:09:10Kowalskireal nice
03:09:18newbyx86The one from Apple?
03:09:25newbyx86That reminds me of my old iPod. It junked out.
03:09:32newbyx86It can't even be read as a disk :/
03:09:57Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Only if it's doing the "Thinking it's connected when it's not" thing. I want a comparison between that and the originally extracted blah.bin
03:10:09newbyx86Well, on a fresh restore, it takes a few seconds for it to realize it's been unplugged.
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03:10:23newbyx86I eject it, and unplug it, and it says it's plugged in for a few seconds, then it goes away.
03:10:50Paul_The_NerdWeird. Takes about 1-2 seconds on my Nano for it to disappear, but I don't know if that's a comparable situation, y'know?
03:11:15newbyx86Well, I dd'd it.
03:11:18newbyx86Now it's stuck in plugged in mode.
03:11:25newbyx86Didn't even write TO it.
03:11:28newbyx86Just read the current one from it.
03:11:31Kowalskithis fucking sukcs
03:11:35Kowalskiim gonn restart
03:11:36Paul_The_NerdNow _that_ is strange.
03:11:42Kowalskihopefully itll make the fucking updater work
03:11:55newbyx86I literally typed "sudo dd if=/dev/sdf1 of=bootpartition.bin"
03:11:58Paul_The_NerdKowalski: Sometimes reformatting it entirely using a normal format utility will allow the updater to see it
03:11:59newbyx86then "eject /dev/sdf"
03:12:20newbyx86Ok. I ejected it, and it went away.
03:12:26newbyx86Took longer though.
03:12:39Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: So somehow _reading_ from that partition can cause strange things to happen. I have to wonder, since the USB handling is done in software if it's something wrong with the USB driver?
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03:12:51Paul_The_NerdLike, the USB driver on the iPod rather
03:12:52newbyx86Ok. It goes away now, it just takes longer.
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03:13:34newbyx86Perhaps it is just slow at realizing it's been unplugged whereas RockBox doesn't have the patience to wait for it to realize if it hasn't or not. :P
03:14:46Paul_The_NerdNo, because even in situations where you haven't plugged it in at all, Rockbox will think that it's plugged in and reboot.
03:15:07newbyx86I'll reset it and see if it's under the thought that it is connected.
03:15:11Paul_The_NerdAnd Rockbox detects USB plugged status by whether it's receiving power from the USB connection, if I recall.
03:15:15newbyx86Hah. It does.
03:15:33newbyx86Let me restore it again and reset it to see if it's the iPod itself.
03:15:44Paul_The_NerdWhich means that for some reason the USB is reporting that it's receiving power, when it's not.
03:16:15newbyx86What is weird is that I've never had this problem before. Or at least, I don't remember having it. And I reset my iPod quite a bit.
03:16:32newbyx86Whenever I'd finish listening to it I'd reset it :P
03:16:41Paul_The_NerdIt seems to only happen after using DD or iPodPatcher to write back to that partition.
03:17:33newbyx86Hmm. You think using a firewire cord would do anything different? Or you think it's the port on the iPod itself.
03:18:12Paul_The_NerdIf I recall one person installed by way of firewire and still had the problem, but my memory's imperfect.
03:18:39Paul_The_NerdIt only seems to happen on 5Gs and possibly one Nano.
03:19:04Paul_The_NerdI wonder if iPodLinux as run into this yet...
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03:21:29sharpenotnothing like deleting a +400mb png...
03:21:51sharpehehe... notnothing...
03:23:25newbyx86I could try ipodlinux if you'd like.
03:24:18newbyx86Hah. Weird. It says it's plugged in no matter what right after a fresh restore.
03:24:35Paul_The_NerdI was more wondering for statistical purposes.
03:25:31newbyx86Yeah. Now it says it's plugged in.
03:25:32Paul_The_NerdI was curious how many 5Gs are afflicted, whether they're all newer than a certain age or what, and so on.
03:25:34newbyx86But it's not.
03:25:40newbyx86This is in the 4th generation.
03:25:43newbyx86Aghaster has one.
03:25:53Paul_The_NerdA photo, or grayscale 4G?
03:25:57newbyx86iPod photo
03:26:02newbyx86was released the same time as the 4g's
03:26:06newbyx86But it was colo.
03:26:10Aghasterwhat are you talking about?
03:26:19newbyx86about the same time*
03:26:44midkaysomething really damn weird is going on..
03:26:50midkayi can't find three game cds.
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03:27:07newbyx86Brb. Gonna make some more hotdogs while rockbox compiles. :P
03:27:12midkayF.E.A.R. disc 5 .. GTA:SA .. and Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow.
03:27:16midkayi've used them all quite recently.
03:27:17sharpemidkay: did i borrow them?
03:27:26midkayso they've all been taken or disappeared at once or something.
03:27:31midkaysharpe, ah. possibly.
03:28:22midkayalright, seriously though. what the hell.
03:28:43sharpemaybe they're, under something?
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03:29:15midkayi've been looking everywhere for half an hour.
03:29:25sharpein their respective cases?
03:29:58midkayof course, not you.. you.. dunce.
03:30:13sharpeonly trying to help.
03:30:28midkaycontinue please.
03:30:36sharpeare they in your three cd drives? :)
03:30:47midkayall three are empty!
03:31:24midkaythey aren't FOR xbox, and none are *in* it..
03:31:53sharpeyeah, i know fear isn't for xbox, but the other two had a possibility. so hah.
03:32:23Paul_The_NerdFEAR was bad, and should not be searched for anyway
03:32:32midkayfear kicked major ass. :)
03:32:35midkayno, all PC..
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03:34:01sharpeokay... what about...
03:34:09Mikachusometimes when i'm looking for something it turns out i'm holding them in my hand, but i guess that doesn't apply here
03:34:22Mikachui once spent 2 minutes looking for a fork
03:34:24midkayho, i just used them both to pull out and check behind the dresser. :(
03:34:39midkaysharpe, haha. i seriously HOPE not.
03:34:49sharpewhat about your friend(s) that visit?
03:35:07midkaynobody visits me.
03:35:14sharpeyou sad little man.
03:35:26Mikachuthat means a lot when sharpe says it
03:35:35sharpewhat about... in the dresser?
03:35:39midkayi've checked.
03:35:43midkaythe weird thing is.
03:35:47midkayi know they were all in the same pile.
03:35:50midkaysitting in my desk.
03:35:59Mikachuany brothers or sisters?
03:35:59midkayi moved and sorted the pile recently.
03:36:06midkaynot here.
03:36:08midkayghosts, possibly.
03:36:09sharpechecked behind/under your desk?
03:36:18midkayin fact i have.
03:37:11midkayi wish there was some kind of tele.. something.. mind reader.. mabob whatever..
03:37:18midkayto just TELL me where they are.
03:37:31sharpehave you checked every cd case?
03:38:01midkaynot exactly.
03:38:08midkayi did search a number of game boxes i've got though.
03:38:26midkayhow disappointing, i wanted to try fear patch 1.10..
03:39:08midkaythis is BANANAS.
03:42:19midkayi'm sure tomorrow they'll just appear sitting on the ground by the shelf thing over there anyways.
03:42:35sharpemaybe you sleep-move-stuff-around
03:44:00midkayi want to PLAY AAAAAAAAAH.
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03:45:40*midkay considers going on a room-rampage, breaking stuff and flinging it across the room
03:46:01midkaybut i know that once i hurl the dresser through the wall, i'll see the discs sitting behind where it was..
03:46:23sharpeand you'll not notice the FEAR disc untill it's flying out the window...
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03:50:42midkayan upside just occurred.
03:50:50midkayi just located an old stinkbomb.
03:50:58Mikachuyour dad?
03:51:03midkaywhat the hell.
03:51:08Mikachujk etc
03:51:53midkayseriously, where did they go..
03:52:23XavierGrI just encountered a major problem in rockbox for languages that use non-latin characters.
03:52:48Mikachuif you select a theme that uses a font without nonlatin chars?
03:53:02XavierGrthere are some screens which rockbox uses the default font (without a choice) like recording screen and quick menu
03:53:12Mikachuah, even better
03:53:27XavierGrthe translator or the user has no choice
03:53:38XavierGrit is actually a dead end
03:54:49XavierGrand even worse this strings aren't only related to these screens. These strings are used elsewhere where you can have the font of your choice.
03:55:52XavierGrso I have the following options: Either leave them untranslated in order for these specific screens to appear ok (but have them without translation too)
03:56:26XavierGror translate them and recording and quick screen show as garbage.
03:57:31*Aghaster is currently working on the Esperanto translation
03:57:37Aghasterwhat screen do have these problems?
03:57:49Aghasteresperanto characters are not supported by all fonts.
03:59:27XavierGrrecording and quick screen
03:59:38XavierGrbut maybe there are more, though I don't think so...
04:01:15XavierGradd to that the EQ screen :(
04:01:18XavierGrdamn I hate this
04:02:21MikachuAghaster: like what characters? i thought it only used latin
04:02:58Aghasterthese characters (are they appearing correctly? lol)
04:02:58XavierGrI see black boxes
04:03:06Aghasteryeah, see. you don't even support them
04:03:32Aghasterits basically circumflexes over letters in case that do not exist in other languages
04:03:39Mikachuah, i see
04:04:23Aghastersuch as c circumflex, g circumflex, j circumflex, s circumflex and a u with an half-circle pointing towards the bottom over it
04:04:36Aghaster(dont know how that accent is called lol)
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04:04:54MikachuAghaster: breve
04:05:00Aghasterand u breve
04:05:09Mikachu • Latin, Esperanto, ...
04:05:20Mikachufrom gucharmap
04:05:26Aghasteryeah, its latin, of course
04:05:29Aghasterbut its uncommon
04:05:56AghasterDo you think the license on Bitstream Vera makes it usable in rockbox?
04:06:06Aghasterafaik, this font is from openoffice
04:06:20Mikachudejavu sans would probably be easier to use
04:06:27Mikachuit's based on bitstream vera, but has more characters
04:06:45Mikachuiirc bitstream license requires you change the name if you do a modification
04:07:12Mikachuconverting it to bitmap doesn't count as modification though i guess
04:07:17Aghasteris dejeva installed by default?
04:07:18Mikachubut dejavu still has more glyphs
04:07:41Mikachuno idea, depends on the distro i guess
04:07:43Aghasternope, i dont have it i think
04:07:54Aghasterhas it been exported in rockbox format?
04:08:06Mikachunot that i know
04:08:40Mikachubut those characters you pasted aren't in bistream vera, however they are in dejavu
04:09:13Aghasterwell, if they appear in openoffice with bitstream vera they should be in it, no?
04:10:01Mikachuit may be falling back to another font
04:11:47Aghasteryep, its full of foreign characters. i like that
04:11:55XavierGradd to that the pitch screen
04:12:26Mikachuscreens that force the default font, breaking greek
04:12:43Aghasteryeah, we'd have to do that
04:12:58midkayi'm working on that now actually!
04:13:02XavierGrbreaking every language that is nonlatin I say
04:13:11XavierGrmidkay really?
04:13:13Aghasterhehe, good thing for internationalisation if we do that
04:13:18midkayi'll commit a new quickscreen with support for user font in a moment, i think..
04:13:24midkaysame for pitchscreen should not be hard.
04:13:52XavierGrgreat I won't have to edit the lang file then!!!
04:14:07Aghastercan fontforge export to BDF?
04:14:08midkayi'd like to do this in more places in rockbox.
04:14:30midkayseems like a *lot* of places use sysfixed to avoid a problem with maybe one or two possible fonts out of the included, like, 30..
04:14:39midkaysize detection is nice.
04:16:00Mikachu(i'm far away)
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04:22:04Aghasterhow do i convert to FNT format?
04:22:08newbyx86Anybody know how to get that patch working? :P
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04:45:42Mikachunewbyx86: looks like someone who knows what they're doing needs to look at it
04:55:51newbyx86Mikachu, alright.
04:55:57newbyx86Anyway, back to enjoying Doom on an iPod. :p
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05:02:21*midkay is stumped with a bit of coding trouble.
05:04:01daurn|laptopdoom on a gmini is better
05:04:19midkaysharpe, what do you mean? it's just working unexpectedly..
05:04:21Mikachudoom on nano hurts your thumb
05:04:32newbyx86Haha, I'd wager it does.
05:04:42Mikachuthe buttons are pretty stiff
05:04:46sharpemidkay, what are you talking about?
05:04:49newbyx86Doom on an iPod photo is nice.
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05:05:05midkaysharpe, i'm working on the quickscreen.
05:05:19midkayconfusing code.. especially considering that i wrote a lot of it. :)
05:05:23midkaywell, modified heavily..
05:05:31midkaywrote-based-on-previous-code :)
05:05:36Mikachunothing is as confusing as code you wrote yourself
05:05:44midkayi agree.
05:07:56newbyx86Mikachu, I disagree. Reading code in a language you don't know is more confusing. :p
05:08:11newbyx86Or reading code you haven't touched in like, a year.
05:08:20JdGordonhey, can u edit id3 tags in rockbox?
05:08:21newbyx86"The hell am I doing?...."
05:08:25Mikachuwell, with your own code you go in with the expectation that you will understand it
05:08:36sharpewhat about, porting code from a language you know absolutely nothing about?
05:08:49newbyx86sharpe, that's always fun.
05:08:56newbyx86Especially when you botch one line and it screws the entire project. :p
05:09:13newbyx86I remember my friend wrote an entire class for one line of Java/C code. I forget what language.
05:09:19sharpei find it exhilarating.
05:09:30newbyx86But some guy used one line for a BigInteger or something, and my friend wrote an entire class to do the same thing.
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05:09:46sharpesounds like fun...
05:10:56sharpe... since when does fileplanet have a myspace blog?
05:11:14Mikachublogs need to die :(
05:11:40dj-fublogs brought even more idiots to the 'net
05:12:19newbyx86That reminds me of this quote... *grabs*
05:13:36daurn|laptopmore idiots?
05:13:43daurn|laptopi didn't think they could fit any more
05:14:07dj-fuit'll be even worse with ipv6 ;x
05:14:25*daurn|laptop imagines 6 parts to an ip address
05:14:32newbyx86Maybe not. I hear Windows Defender is working so well that it's literally keeping people off the internet.
05:14:36sharpeso many possible addresses...
05:14:52daurn|laptoponly 65025 times more losers on the net'
05:15:01dj-fumore than that
05:15:10daurn|laptopfor a total of 274941996890625
05:16:01daurn|laptopi did 255 instead of 256
05:16:40sharpethat's only, roughly 40210 times more than the current number of people in the world!
05:16:50daurn|laptopbut think
05:16:56daurn|laptopeach person has a router
05:17:00daurn|laptopand a dialup connection
05:17:11daurn|laptopin future they'll have 10000 each
05:17:17sharpei'd hate to be a phone operator... :)
05:17:33sharpealthough that has nothing to do at all with dialup.
05:17:47sharpei don't even know why i said it
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05:18:10daurn|laptoplol - best quote: <slutknght> has anyone registered or .net?
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05:18:45daurn|laptopyour banned
05:19:10sharpeoh yeah?
05:19:16Mikachuwhat about his banned?
05:19:26sharpewhat the hell.
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05:19:48sharpefileplanet has a download for "Sims 2 - Nude Skins"
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05:20:07daurn|laptop[13:17:58] * daurn|laptop bans sharpe from talking
05:20:08Xinuxperverts -_-
05:20:24Mikachui have never seen skin that wasn't nude
05:20:29sharpehey, i'm just looking at fileplanet.
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05:20:45Xinuxlmao, im assuming you went there and searched "Sims 2 - Nude Skins"
05:21:05sharpenope, oddly enough it's under Free Games -> Strategy
05:21:11Xinuxstrateegy ?
05:21:25Mikachui only played sims2 for 10 minutes
05:21:30Mikachui got two girls to marry eachother
05:22:23Keegan_Wittdoes rockbox use the same file system hierarchy as original (I have Ipod color)
05:22:42Mikachuyou can if you want
05:22:56Keegan_Wittwhat I mean is are the folders named nonsense?
05:22:56newbyx86I wonder how well the RockBoy plugin works.
05:23:04sharpeit uses the same filesystem (as in fat32), but not the same way of storing files.
05:23:07MikachuKeegan_Witt: only if you want them to be
05:23:08newbyx86Keegan_Witt, if you keep the old music yes.
05:23:16sharperockbox works as a fileviewer.
05:23:18newbyx86You can use the ID3 database and get all their ID3 tags and store them in a database.
05:23:32newbyx86Or you can delete all of them and do it your own way.
05:23:39Xinuxi put my ipod in the oven, and ate it
05:23:45newbyx86Personally, I do /Music/Artist/Artist - Year - Album/##-SongName.mp3
05:23:49Xinuxit ttasted like shit, just to say
05:23:51MikachuXinux: the oven or the ipod?
05:23:52Keegan_Witthow complicated is that?
05:23:55newbyx86Xinux, did it taste like an Apple?
05:24:05Xinuxtasted like windows
05:24:09newbyx86Eww. That's even worse!
05:24:15daurn|laptop<Mercster> ever shot a Glock?
05:24:15daurn|laptop<Eppy> i don't know any glocks, but if they're like most people i've met, i probably wouldn't mind squeezing off a few rounds at them
05:24:16newbyx86I wonder if Apple made it that way, because they envy Windoze.
05:24:44Xinuxit didnt really digest right
05:24:45Xinuxi got viruses
05:24:49newbyx86BSOD'd out?
05:24:54newbyx86blue shit of death :P
05:25:02Mikachubullshit of death
05:25:04Xinuxi had to reformat my body
05:25:16newbyx86You got rid of your FAT?
05:25:19newbyx86err, FAT32.
05:25:24Mikachuhe only uses virtual fat
05:25:33sharpethe good kind of fat.
05:25:38newbyx86ext2 fat? :p
05:25:51sharpeomega 3's!
05:26:07Xinuxyou can use windows and not get viruses
05:26:24newbyx86Xinux, if you never let it touch the internet, sure.
05:26:25sharpei use windows without viruses.
05:26:34newbyx86I used Windows without viruses.
05:26:41newbyx86I use Linux now, simply because I can't stand how slow Windows is compared to Linux. :P
05:26:41*Aghaster uses linux
05:26:43Xinuxlinux is still alot better.
05:26:49daurn|laptop<Jude> I wish humans laid eggs
05:26:49Xinuxeven games
05:26:50daurn|laptop<Ringlord> UGH
05:26:50DBUGEnqueued KICK daurn|laptop
05:26:50daurn|laptop<Ringlord> why would you want humans to lay eggs?
05:26:50daurn|laptop<Jude> So i can eat them
05:26:57Xinuxwhen you get games to work in linux, they run alot faster
05:27:02Xinuxopposed to windows
05:27:07Keegan_Wittnewbyx86, it seems a lot faster?
05:27:11newbyx86Like, I plugged the iPod into my brother's computer.
05:27:13newbyx86It literally sat there
05:27:15newbyx86for like, 20 seconds.
05:27:19Xinuxit does that
05:27:19newbyx86And did absolutely nothing.
05:27:24Xinuxi know
05:27:28dj-fuat least in nix you can dmesg|tail when you plug shit in
05:27:28newbyx86In Linux, I'da mounted the iPod, rm'd the file, and ejected it.
05:27:33newbyx86dj-fu, exactly.
05:27:38newbyx86I can dmesg and see what's up
05:27:42dj-fuor hald/pmount would have taken care of it for you
05:27:45Keegan_Wittwat distro r u on?
05:27:45newbyx86Versus Windows holding my hand and hiding that from me.
05:27:46Xinuxlinux is alot more easy to use then windows
05:27:49dj-fuif you're so inclined.. (i am)
05:27:50newbyx86Keegan_Witt, Slackware.
05:28:04Keegan_Wittahh...good 'ol slack ;)
05:28:05dj-fuslack is pewp
05:28:11newbyx86slack ist krieg
05:28:35dj-fuis even worse
05:28:40dj-fudon't ge tany speed out of a binary distro
05:28:42Xinuxdebian = best.
05:28:47dj-fulol, not a chance
05:28:54Xinuxyour suggestion ?
05:29:03Keegan_WittI couldnt get debian to install
05:29:03Xinuxi figured you'd say that
05:29:10Xinuxlmao thats pathetic
05:29:11dj-fuor obsd
05:29:19newbyx86OpenBSD is nice.
05:29:23dj-funo doub
05:29:27Keegan_Wittdj-fu, does compiling from source seem to run faster than binary installs?
05:29:29newbyx86FreeBSD is nicer IMO, but that's because I haven't taken the time to love OpenBSD like I should.
05:29:34dj-fuKeegan_Witt, fuck yeah
05:29:39newbyx86My router uses FreeBSD, but I should really move it over to OBSD.
05:29:42sharpei find it funny how the conversaion flow so easily from topic to topic...
05:29:48newbyx86But at least I use pf :P
05:29:56sharpei can't spell tonight.
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05:30:04newbyx86I procrastinated like 5 projects today. Hooray!
05:30:17sharpethat's what i'm doing right now!
05:30:18dj-fuI'm in the progress of procrastinating one right now
05:30:26Xinuxim not even doing any projects
05:30:42newbyx86lemme see. I'm supposed to research Alexander the Great.
05:30:45Aghastermy current project is to finish translating rockbox to esperanto
05:30:46newbyx86I just bookmarked a wikipedia page. :P
05:30:48Aghasterbut its kinda long
05:31:06dj-fuI have decreed, that you shalt only speak in esperanto from this point forward
05:31:14Xinuxi gave up on modding my iPod
05:31:15sharpei'm suppose to write three pages on three different things... mostly my opinion.
05:31:21Xinuxmy iPod just doesnt want to be modded
05:31:44dj-fuI've gotta convert a 10page report on telstraclear's entire network to powerpoint bullets
05:31:45newbyx86Jesus, this emulator sounds terrible. :p
05:31:48dj-fuand then memorise it :\
05:31:48Aghasterdj-fu: bone, mi certe povas, sed neniu komprenos...
05:32:09dj-fuAghaster, what kind of accent is it pronounced with?
05:32:12Xinuxdj-fu: lmao
05:32:27dj-fuwell, 10pages were the parts on wimax. I did the wimax
05:32:30Aghasterdj-fu: there is no accent... its a conlang, and an international one
05:32:38Xinuxsharpe: i hate writing things in my opinion
05:32:42dj-fubut if I said that stuff, it'd have a new zealand accent
05:32:45Xinuxsharpe: because my opinion is very cruel.
05:32:58sharpesharpe: my opinion is... virtually nonexistant.
05:33:28sharpewhy did i do that.
05:33:32Aghasterboneh, me tserteh povass, sed neh-niu komprenoss
05:33:39Aghasterin english phonetics
05:34:03Xinuxfckin this guy is amazing, the blindfolded pianist
05:34:13dj-futhat's not that amazing
05:34:16dj-fuust like type touching
05:34:29sharpetouch typing?
05:34:37Xinuxwtf is that
05:38:05sharpelike, training to hit certain keys, typing without looking at the keyboard... etc...
05:38:23Xinuxwtf i dont need training for that
05:38:33sharpewell, not really training.
05:38:47Xinuxit doesnt matter if hes blindfolded anyways
05:38:50Xinuxhe can just play really fast
05:39:02Mikachuhe is pretty amazing, blindfolded or not
05:40:03dj-fuI can type 120wpm blindfolded
05:40:05dj-fusame shit
05:40:08dj-fujust repeated training
05:40:25Mikachuyeah, he just had to practice for years, not impressive at all
05:40:49Xinuxstill amazxing
05:41:17dj-fueveryone here can probably do the same, programmers
05:41:19dj-fubeen typing for years
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05:43:05XinuxI do about
05:43:07Xinux70 WPM
05:43:12Xinuxnot as fast
05:43:17Xinuxbut i dont type that much
05:44:10newbyx86I maxed out around 150 I think. or something
05:44:16newbyx86I was #1 for 3 weeks.
05:44:20Mikachudj-fu: have you seen the video?
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05:44:28newbyx86Mainly because I wrote a program to do the sentences for me. But my legit attempts were averaging at 130.
05:44:29***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:44:30newbyx86With a few errors.
05:45:18dj-fuMikachu, I've not, url?
05:45:39newbyx86And rofl @ the myspace kids trying to extort the site owners.
05:45:45Xinuxstill i can type without looking at 70 WPM
05:45:54newbyx86...threats were made that unless $150,000 was paid, new exploit code would be released, according to the statement.
05:45:56Xinuxmaybe faster with looking
05:45:58Xinuxlet me try
05:46:05newbyx86Uhm, if I had exploit code for MySpace, it'd be all over the net in 150,000 milliseconds.
05:46:07newbyx86For free.
05:47:15Xinux160 wpm....
05:47:30Xinuxthats bullshit
05:47:56newbyx86That site? Probably.
05:48:00Mikachuwouldn't chars per minute be a lot less meaningless?
05:48:06newbyx86Kids did what I did. Wrote down as much of the story as they could.
05:48:11newbyx86And then had a program input it in like, 1 second.
05:48:23Xinuxthat would be an obvious hack
05:48:31Xinuxnobody could right like 300 words per second
05:48:42newbyx86I put an attempt up at 900 wpm.
05:48:46newbyx86And they deleted all my attempts, legit ones included.
05:48:54newbyx86That's when I stopped visiting.
05:49:07Xinuxwhats your highest legit
05:49:18newbyx86Something like 129. I know I didn't make 130, but I got close.
05:49:26newbyx86It was like my third time on the sentence, though, so I knew what I was typing. :P
05:50:06earHertzanyone have armulator installed?
05:50:28Xinuxi just re-tried it and got 74 WPM
05:51:01newbyx86Haha. I remember when I got 65 wpm in third grade.
05:51:06newbyx86The teacher was like "....did you cheat"
05:51:07Xinuxstfu hoe
05:51:08newbyx86"no i did not cheat"
05:51:12newbyx86"yes you did"
05:51:14newbyx86and I started crying :P
05:51:19Xinuxi dont take fckin typing trainers like you
05:51:22Xinuxi learned on my own
05:51:25newbyx86We had to in 3rd grade.
05:51:38newbyx86What was sad is that I was literally 2x faster than the teacher in the computer lab.
05:51:47newbyx86Her best was like 30 :P
05:51:58Xinuxim smarter than any computer lab owner i know
05:52:03sharpei remember, we had to type things printed out for us... i always finished first...
05:52:03newbyx86Haha, I bet 95% of us are.
05:52:06Xinuxand im smarter then alot of teachers
05:52:07Mikachui can beat that just by typing lol when you say something funny
05:52:08newbyx86sharpe, I did too.
05:52:12CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
05:52:12*Paul_The_Nerd just tried that silly test.
05:52:12earHertzold people are slower. Now get off my lawn, you damned kids
05:52:14newbyx86We had a 12 week course.
05:52:15newbyx86For that.
05:52:16Paul_The_Nerd92wpm apparently
05:52:18newbyx86I finished the entire program in 3 weeks.
05:52:28newbyx86It went from like, 1 paragraph sets (adding keys as it went)
05:52:29newbyx86to 3 paragraphs
05:52:36newbyx86and I was done in 3 weeks.
05:52:44newbyx86So I was literally doing nothing for 9 weeks in that class except playing some trucking game.
05:52:44Xinuxi can type essays out in minutes o.o
05:52:52earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: you have an ipod g4?
05:52:52newbyx86Hah. I typed out a 5 paragraph essay in 13 minutes. A record for me.
05:52:58Paul_The_NerdearHertz: No, Nano
05:53:02newbyx86And I got a 96% on it.
05:53:03sharpethey never let us play games when we were done.
05:53:06newbyx86Paul_The_Nerd, ever played Doom on it? :P
05:53:13earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: you know ARM assembly?
05:53:13newbyx86sharpe, my teacher had no choice. I was distracting other kids.
05:53:15Xinuxnewby sounds just like me
05:53:20Xinuxi type out essays in about 7 minutes
05:53:25Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Indeed. In fact, I was the first person to play Doom on a Rockbox'd Nano, if I recall.
05:53:28Xinuxprint it out and, bam, 95% or higher
05:53:29newbyx86Hah. Sweet. :)
05:53:32Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Not in the slightest.
05:53:37newbyx86Xinux, what's sad is that if I spend more time writing it and use big words and stuff
05:53:39newbyx86I get like B's and C's.
05:53:45newbyx86But if I just write something really quick, I get an A on it.
05:53:49Xinuxyeah lmao
05:53:54newbyx86"what's wrong with this"
05:53:56newbyx86"it's poorly worded."
05:53:59Xinuxi use a few more smarter sounding words
05:54:03Xinuxnot just the common ones
05:54:11newbyx86"It was originally going to be 'spitting gum is completely stupid.' but I made it sound smart."
05:54:13newbyx86and she had no comment. :P
05:54:33newbyx86(We had to write an essay about a rule that has affected us. I wrote about chewing gum in school and how it's against the rules.)
05:54:35Xinuxwtf are your essays about O.O
05:54:43Xinuxyou nerd
05:54:48Xinuxwho doesnt chew gum in school
05:54:55newbyx86I was gonna do how they block all outgoing ports except 80 in our macintosh lab.
05:55:01newbyx86but since I haven't had a computer class that hasn't affected me. Yet. :)
05:55:09sharpepeople who don't like gum?
05:55:13Mikachustupid test doesn't bloody let you backspace over a space
05:55:18newbyx86"You assholes won't let me get onto my shell at home, or use IRC, or use FTP for cryin' out loud."
05:55:19Xinuxthey block all other ports except 80 ?
05:55:30newbyx86Pretty much.
05:55:33newbyx86Maybe 25 and such for email.
05:55:36newbyx86But it's really really limited.
05:55:38newbyx86They whitelist ports :P
05:55:54newbyx86But sadly ssh is open to the outside world iirc.
05:56:15newbyx86I tried to log into the IP on port 22 with the name 'check_your_logs_id_number_225548_is_cooler_than_you'
05:56:17newbyx86So that I'd get yelled at.
05:56:18newbyx86Never did.
05:56:19Xinuxhate stupid computer lab teachers
05:56:19Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Yeah, that irritated me.
05:56:23Xinuxthink they know more then me
05:56:29Mikachuit keeps throwing me off
05:56:33newbyx86I even left my full name at some plint.
05:56:37newbyx86But never got yelled at.
05:56:41newbyx86Maybe because it was coming from Canada. :/
05:56:52newbyx86Hooray for shells.
05:57:27Mikachuooh, i pressed space a time too many and it misaligned all words from then on, THANKS
05:57:28XinuxMikachu: if you make a mistake, just keep going
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05:57:47Mikachuyeah but then you have to stop and look where it thinks you are, ruining the whole test
05:57:59Mikachuwhereas if i was typing an actual test i would know where i was
05:58:11Xinuxwhat are you getting ?
05:58:41sharpei'm going to see how slow i can type.
05:59:05earHertzwhat'sa teletypewriter?
05:59:05Mikachui get ~100 wps
05:59:27Mikachuit thinks i got 89, but it can't count :)
06:00:17Xinuxi went slow and got 61 WPM
06:00:28dj-fuwhere's the url?
06:00:34Xinuxand it counted a punctuation error as a word error
06:00:36Xinuxftw ?
06:00:45newbyx86dj-fu, for the typing test?
06:00:54EbErTyou can all test on the same place and see how you do
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06:01:06Xinuxi get 61 when i type slow
06:01:06EbErThey, can someone tell me where the "debug" menu is? i've misplaced it
06:01:11newbyx86Damn. I have to ln to the plugin. :|
06:01:20earHertzEbErT: under info
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06:01:38EbErTah, thx
06:01:57dj-fubugger, have to re-merge firefox
06:02:09newbyx86Had to re-update the link.
06:02:30EbErTis there a way to set the cpu frequency at 75 mhz?
06:02:35Xinuxi just got about 102
06:02:39Xinuxi fluctuate too much
06:02:41dj-fuit steps for a purpose, EbErT
06:02:58sharpewoo! one wpm.
06:03:12Mikachuheh, that airplane alliances test is hard to get high on
06:03:16Mikachuall words are at least 15 lettesr
06:03:30EbErTyou mean up and down? under debug, you can set it to full 75 mhz. was wondering if I could keep it that way upon reboot dj-fu
06:03:37sharpei'm going to see how much time i save by touch typing.
06:03:41newbyx86121 wpm
06:03:47sharpeaccording to the applet.
06:03:55newbyx86ss! :)
06:04:45newbyx86You can do it FTP script, connect!
06:04:51sharpefor six hours, i could save 3 hours a day by touch typing instead of one word per minute...
06:05:05newbyx86touch typing?
06:05:32XinuxMany leading companies have dramatically expanded their alliance activities with competitors in the past few years. This trend is particularly prominent in consolidating global industries such as airlines, telecoms, automobiles and chemicals, but also in rapidly expanding internet-related industries featuring players like Cisco, Microsoft and AOL. But there are two very different kinds of alliances in use. One might be called flirtati
06:05:49Xinuxit cut off the rest
06:05:53newbyx86Only 5 errors? boo! :P
06:05:55sharpehah, you need at least 10 wpm for an email with the results.
06:06:28Xinuxwhere the fck is 'n'
06:06:33newbyx86Right there.
06:06:33Xinuxi cant find the 'n'
06:07:15XinuxI got 2 wpm
06:07:18Xinuxwith 17 errors
06:07:26sharpeheh, i got 1 wpm with one error.
06:07:51webguest14wpm test? i need a link
06:07:55Xinuxit says i can type 60 wpm by practicing
06:08:07sharpethat's like! one word a second!
06:08:14newbyx86One word a second is impressive
06:08:14Xinuxomg ftw
06:08:19newbyx86.... for maybe a second grader.
06:08:23newbyx86Or a third grader. :P
06:08:29Xinuxquit relating school to wpm
06:08:29newbyx86Which it was for me anyway. :)
06:08:40sharpelets do cpm...
06:08:44Xinuxand not everybody is a newb like you
06:08:56Xinuxwtf is cpm ?
06:08:59newbyx86characters per minute
06:09:04Xinuxoh lmao
06:09:10Xinuxthats just a bloated version of wpm
06:10:47sharpewoo! hitting random keys, 1217cpm.
06:11:11sharpethat's like, more than 200 wpm... ;)
06:11:48Xinuxdo the test for 3 min
06:11:55newbyx86That's murder.
06:11:58Xinuxyeah lmao
06:11:58newbyx86That's like typing an essay constantly.
06:12:01webguest1475% gross WPM at 96% accuracy, after a 2 minute test
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06:12:09Xinuxmy hands would die of exhaustion
06:12:13newbyx86That's like an entire essay.
06:12:30newbyx86Averaging 120 wpm, ~360 wpm in 3 minutes, 80 words a paragraph?
06:13:08Falco98yeah 120 wpm is impressive
06:13:14Falco98i can't even read the text quite that fast :-P
06:13:20newbyx86That's almost an entire essay in under 5 minutes. >:D
06:13:22Falco98i might be able to top out 80 or so with practice
06:13:24newbyx86Too bad I have like ADHD.
06:13:34newbyx86And if I stare at a wall I have more fun than I do doing homework.
06:13:43dj-fuhomework is for suckers
06:13:59*dj-fu goes back to doing homework
06:14:02daurn|laptopEver see What Women Want?
06:14:03newbyx86I don't do my homework and I have about a B average.
06:14:07newbyx86I could have an A, but I don't do homework. :(
06:14:18Xinuxwtf newby ?
06:14:24Xinuxwhat do they assign like no homework ?
06:14:32Xinuxif i didnt do homework i'd have about a 30% F
06:14:33newbyx86No. They just count homework for under 20% of our grade.
06:14:41newbyx86I love it.
06:14:47Xinuxi hate you
06:14:51newbyx86I love me too.
06:15:01Xinuxwhats your CPM
06:15:08XinuxCPM = more accurate then WPM
06:15:12newbyx86Never checked.
06:15:14*Falco98 looks around.. we have an op in here tonight?
06:15:14Xinuxbecaused A is a word.
06:15:34Falco98then again, "intergalactic" is a word also
06:15:40JdGordonBagder on a power trip :D
06:15:49JdGordonhey Falco98 , i fixed the patch
06:15:51Xinuxintergalactic = 13 chars
06:15:52XinuxA = 1
06:16:00Falco98but you're right, CPM would be more accurate especially in case of small sample size
06:16:12newbyx86WPM is more accurate, since you have to finish a word to get anywhere in life. :P
06:16:14Falco98JdGordon: I saw the comment on flyspray.. thanks!
06:16:32Falco98was it simply a matter of the code going in the wrong place since playlist.c had been updated?
06:16:41Xinuxthats like saying GPS is accurate beacuse you can get to destinations using it
06:16:54Falco98heh, figures
06:17:01JdGordonexcatly... it somehow jumped up a couple hundred lines..
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06:17:13JdGordoni doubt it will need fixing again before monday :D
06:17:25Falco98BTW i think you/we should use some name-versioning system for naming the patch with each revision.. just to absolutely avoid confusion
06:17:58JdGordonthe bottom most one is the most recent..
06:18:11newbyx86575 cpm
06:18:19newbyx86610 gross
06:18:19newbyx867 errors
06:18:24newbyx86575 cpm net
06:18:29newbyx86Accuracy 94%
06:18:39newbyx86That's because it went ahead of me :P
06:18:42Xinuxyou have crappy accuracy
06:18:51newbyx86I typed some word, and it was one ahead of me.
06:18:56Xinuxi do about 521 cpm
06:19:02Xinux97% accuracy
06:19:09newbyx86Die. :p
06:20:32Xinuxso you actually do about 115 wpm
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06:20:46Xinuxi do 104.2 wpm
06:20:48Falco98384 CPM, 98%
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06:20:55Falco98i tend to trip and correct myself too much, it seems
06:20:59newbyx86128 wpm
06:21:01newbyx8696% accuray
06:21:17Xinuxyou know itd be more accurate to take CPM
06:21:20Xinuxand divide by 5
06:21:38Xinux5 characters per word
06:22:13newbyx86I am on the top 100, but wher?!
06:22:48Xinux160 wpm is a bunch of bullshit
06:22:53Xinuxnobody can type 3 words per second
06:23:06dj-futhat's pretty fast. lol.
06:23:22Xinuxwell its actually about 2.6 words per second
06:23:23Xinuxbut w/e
06:23:34Xinuxthats still fckin fast
06:23:41newbyx86Aww. 119 wpm on the tigers one. :(
06:23:56Xinuxis the tigers one hard ?
06:24:14newbyx86It's got some weird words.
06:24:24Xinuxnot really
06:24:31Xinuxjust wierd countries
06:24:41newbyx86It's the 28th. They better update that list again so I show up ^^
06:25:00newbyx86I'm right where #6 is sitting. He's in my way. :P
06:26:02newbyx86To be more correct, I'm probably around 7 or 8.
06:26:09newbyx86Since #6 = 128 but 98% accuracy
06:26:13newbyx86whereas my 128 wpm was 96% accuracy :(
06:26:33Xinuxaccuracy is more important, because it takes time to go back and fix hsit
06:26:58JdGordon <- its bloody cold enough.. we dont want a fixed ozone layer :'(
06:27:03newbyx86The only pesron who has the right to brag on that list = the kid who did 109 wpm for 3 whole minutes.
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06:27:15newbyx86Fishing in Finland
06:27:31XinuxJdGordon: temperature isnt all the ozone layers protecting us from
06:28:21EbErTuv rays
06:29:06Xinuxwell no
06:29:13Xinuxcant thing of the name of em
06:29:19Xinuxit comes from the sun
06:29:42EbErTsomething like that?
06:29:49Xinuxthats CFCs, i got the name wrong lmao
06:29:58EbErTsry, i'm going crazy heh
06:30:20dj-fuif you have a minute, browse through this
06:31:01Falco98d/l the Penn&Teller episode about "environmental hysteria" if you're all that worried about global warming
06:31:13Xinuxim not worried about it
06:31:29EbErTi'm a liberal, but there is not much we can do about durn global warming
06:31:31Xinuxthings i worry about is economy
06:31:35Xinuxand all these naive bitches in US
06:31:38EbErTother liberals need to shut up
06:33:12XinuxFalco98: why use macs ?
06:34:10EbErTdon't have to tinker with like on linux, super reliable <unlike windows>
06:34:46Xinuxand look at the bright side, youre wasting thousands for nothing ?
06:34:52Falco98me? macs?
06:35:05Xinuxthe website
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06:35:30ScorpiusI have a stupid question that I can't figure out in the Rockbox manual
06:36:15ScorpiusI want that when I turn on the mp3 player it resumes the playlist and file in that exact position where I left it when I powered it off
06:36:17Xinux"Rotates like butter!"
06:36:17Scorpiusis it that possible?
06:37:30Falco98scorpius: yes
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06:37:41earHertzScorpius: menu oplayback resume, i think
06:38:02Falco98Scorpius: when you power back on, after it's finished booting, just hit "play"
06:38:15Falco98that *should* do it when it's at default settings
06:38:29ScorpiusFalco98: if I do that it goes inside the first folder I have on the list
06:38:35Scorpiusthen I power back on it shows again the folder list.
06:38:37Falco98and you can set it so it automatically starts playing when turning back on, too
06:38:48AghasterFalco98! how are you?
06:38:55Falco98Scorpius: what mp3 player do you have?
06:38:57Falco98Aghaster: i'm ok, how bout you?
06:39:04ScorpiusiRiver H120.
06:39:06Aghasteri'm fine
06:39:24Falco98Scorpius: when i say "play button" i mean the top button on the side of the player.. is that what you're pushing?
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06:39:46Falco98Scorpius: it sounds to me like you might be pressing the "navi" button instead
06:39:51Scorpiusno I wasn't pushing that one hehe
06:39:55Scorpiusyeah exactly
06:40:01Falco98cool :)
06:40:20Falco98ok well try it using the "play" button and see if it does what you like....
06:41:02Scorpiusyeah it works just fine :D
06:41:04Scorpiusthis is so great
06:41:05Xinuxwhat would i do without the scroller on my mouse
06:41:10earHertzthe arm architechture has some nifty features
06:41:42Falco98Xinux: i tend to agree.. i feel a little crippled when i have to use a mouse w/o a scroll wheel
06:42:01Xinuxyou have to take your cursor all the way to the side-bar, then move it down
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06:43:07*JdGordon bored
06:43:17*newbyx86 is listening to Pantera now.
06:44:52Falco98JdGordon: you ever figured out anything about why "insert random" (and) "insert tree randomly" mess up after the player is restarted?
06:45:14Falco98i'm thinking it may have something to do with the weird numbers in the playlist_control file, but i've never been able to decipher it
06:45:19JdGordonnup.. didnt look into it
06:45:19JdGordonleaving that to hareep
06:45:33Falco98heh, same
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06:55:46Xinuxthis was created by a 13 year old
06:55:48Xinuxsee it and believe it
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06:59:55sharpewoo my router.
07:03:53EbErTXinux: those colors on that vid almost gave me seizures
07:04:02EbErTif only the screen was bigger..
07:04:32Xinuxthats just disturbing.
07:04:45Xinuxmakes me wanna cut my ears off, in an emo sort of way
07:12:18ScorpiusI can't understand the fast parts of that flash thing
07:12:43ScorpiusI can't understand anything of it, actually
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07:16:50dj-fuI'm not so proud to say, but I learnt that entire rap and performed it at a talent quest.
07:16:51Scorpiusoh ok
07:16:59Scorpiusit's Busta Rhymes - "Break Ya Neck"
07:17:51Xinuxi have a question... why do idiots think missouri is filled with hillbillies and rednecks ?
07:18:07Mikachubecause it's in the us?
07:18:11*Mikachu ducsk
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07:19:50EbErTprobably more so with georgia, where i'm from
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11:18:58JdGordonWTF??? playback is buggered...
11:19:26JdGordoni just chose the 2nd track in a folder expecting it to play the entire directory, it finished the track then jumped to the next folder instead of continuing the folder??
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11:32:52linuxstbRedBreva: I had a quick look at that link problem in the manual. Did you try putting everything on one line? - my guess is that the newline characters are the cause of the spaces, but I haven't tried it.
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11:33:40RedBrevaI thought of that, but the subbmitters tend not to like over long lines in the source...
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11:35:01bluebrotherRedBreva: what link problem? You mean url links?
11:35:10Slasheriah, finally i found a possible bug with tagcache. trying the fix now
11:35:48bluebrotherthis is caused because Latex doesn't know how to break the long line.
11:36:22linuxstbI'm not sure how you can do it in latex, but in C source code, you just make the "\" character the last character on a line, and the C compiler will treat consecutive lines as a single input line.
11:37:29linuxstbBut if not breaking the lines is required in order to get the correct output, then I can't see why people would complain - assuming that not breaking the lines fixes the issue.
11:37:55bluebrotherusually yes, but this is somewhat different for urls.
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11:46:40peturJdGordon: just checked with a build I did an hour ago and playblack is working stable (h340). Tried your scenario too.
11:47:30JdGordon:( hmm
11:50:28JdGordonit may have been coz it was the first thing i did after disconnecting from usb
11:51:30peturgotta run... later!
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12:46:19JdGordonlee-qid__: how can u be smart enough to use rockbox but use trillian????
12:46:32JdGordon(minor sarcasm included in prev msg)
12:47:00webguest12there appears to be aproblem with cvs and - diffs for v1.1 to v1.3 work, but checked out versions and viewsvs versions are v1.1
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12:49:43Bagderwebguest12: yes, we have a current cvs/viewcvs mess situation
12:50:14JdGordonhave a nice holiday Bagder ?
12:50:36BagderI've been back for several days, but yes it was great
12:50:47JdGordongood to hear
12:51:08JdGordonfreeze ending tomorow?
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12:51:32webguest12Bagder: Ok, hope you can sort it soon
12:51:53Bagdercvs still works fine from command line though
12:54:03webguest12when i checked out the sout-package source form cvs builds it had the wrong version of
12:54:55Bagderand when you cvs update, you still don't get the 1.3?
12:55:05Bagderusing what cvs version?
12:56:38BagderI'm off now, back later tonight
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13:58:59JdGordonis the statusbar avialbe on all targets?
13:59:20amiconnNot in the form of a status bar, to be precise
13:59:33amiconnAll bitmap targets have the status bar
13:59:56JdGordonand non-bitmaps dont?
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14:01:07amiconnThe charcell lcd has special status icons above and below the 2 lines of text
14:01:33JdGordonare they handled by the code in statusbar.c? or elsewhere?
14:02:45JdGordondoh.. they are handled in that code
14:02:52JdGordonjust found the #define for it..
14:03:13amiconnI'm fiddling with statusbar.c too - there's still a bug to fix introduced by Slasheri
14:03:58JdGordonim not fiddling just yet.. but im bored and tihnking its time to overhaul it.. make it configurable like the wps...
14:04:23Slasheriamiconn: i have tried to debug and figure out the buffer overflow with tagcache.. it's really weird but certainly there seems to be something weird happening somewhere
14:04:30Slasherii haven't yet found anything :/
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14:15:44JdGordonif u cahnge STATUSBAR_HEIGHT to a larger value (only tried 80) it crashes on bootup once the tree is shown..
14:16:46JdGordon16 works tho..
14:16:51amiconnYou can't just change STATUSBAR_HEIGHT and expect it to work
14:17:13JdGordonwell i see that now.. im testing just how much doesnt work if u do change it..
14:17:31*JdGordon is freeking bored as u might have guessed
14:18:21JdGordonoh.. bloody remote lcd is killing it i tinhk..
14:19:12daurn|laptop yo'
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14:19:36JdGordonyup... remote lcd needs its own statusbar_hieght define
14:19:59amiconnwargh... what did Slasheri do to the charging anim display ???
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14:20:44Slasheriamiconn: on iriver it should only animate the remaining part to be charged
14:20:58amiconnYes, but you totally broke the anim on the player....
14:21:42Slasherihmm, but player has the charge statatus information available too?
14:21:50RoriBah! My first bad Ebay feedback recieved out of 60 transactions. Barstard seller did not sent full item so I gave him bad feedback. Luckily I was able to counter his bad feedback with a reply.
14:21:55Slasheriso it wont animate at all but should display the real battery level instead
14:22:45amiconnThe player charges when the charger is connected
14:22:59amiconnNo further detection is possible
14:23:06Slasheriah, ok
14:23:07amiconnBefore your change, it did animate
14:23:27amiconnWith your change, it always shows empty battery while the charger is connected
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14:24:18amiconnIf I remove one nonsensical instruction contained in an #ifndef HAVE_CHARGE_STATE, it shows the (coarse, estimated) level, but still no animation
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14:24:42amiconnFurthermore, animating only the remaining part is a good idea, and should be done on all targets
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14:25:15amiconnWe can do some simple trickery to ensure the animation will be always visible
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14:27:13pronto185any thing on the f20 yet?
14:27:48Bagdernot a working rockbox yet, no
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14:28:38pronto185damn, if theres a way to back up the f20 , ill be glad to test it if you need me to
14:29:01BagderI'm not sure of the current gigabeat state
14:29:11Bagdermarkun is the man to talk to
14:29:20markunBagder: we have our own kernel with LCD output running
14:29:28markunI'm working on the bootloader
14:31:05markunThe only thing left is to figure out how to enter USB mode before we can finish the bootloader
14:31:28pronto185you got the interface done?
14:31:47markuninterface was done a long time ago
14:31:51pronto185oh, lol
14:31:55markunIt's the normal rockbox interface
14:32:03markunYou can try it with the gigabeat simulator
14:32:10markunrockbox simulator
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14:43:57amiconnSlasheri: I now know why the player battery doesn't animate anymore - you changed the struct member that does animate from battery_level to animated_level, but didn't adapt the code that outputs the player battery status to this
14:44:50Slasherioh.. can you fix that?
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14:45:07amiconnI have another idea for animation & status: round the status towards the nearest (pixel/segment) when discharging, but always round down when charging
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14:45:37amiconnThis ensures always visible animation - even 99% battery would have one pixel/segment missing
14:45:50Slasherihmm, that sounds good
14:46:21amiconnI'll keep the 2-colour approach for displays >1bit of course
14:46:38amiconnThis code really suffers from ifdef hell...
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14:48:04juxtapanyone using album art with ipod 5g?
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15:03:03dprois there an easy way to see which of the patches on flyspray made it into cvs and which didn't ?
15:03:32dprowhich reminds me to do a cvs update anyway
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15:14:48amiconndpro: The patch status should tell you that
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15:21:41dproamiconn: all I basically see is either "new" or "unconfirmed" ... now that means ?
15:22:06amiconnWell, accepted patches have a status of 'accepted'
15:22:37dproamiconn: ah - makes sense ;) , thx
15:22:39amiconn(and don't show up in the standard list, because they're also closed)
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15:48:47Febsping bluebrother
15:48:50JdGordonjust spamming again soo it doesnt miss out...
15:49:15bluebrotherpong :)
15:50:04FebsTake a look at Mark Bright's patch/bug report here:
15:50:34FebsIt's beyond my LaTeX ability, but he raises a good point.
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15:51:40Febsamiconn, any reason I shouldn't commit Mark's patch 3 here: ?
15:52:02FebsIt patches and compiles cleanly.
15:53:01amiconnCan't check it on X5
15:53:15amiconnNot on ipod either right now, but perhaps tonight
15:53:30amiconnI don't expect any problems though
15:53:55amiconnBtw, I hope I didn't scare you away with my lengthy manual remarks...
15:54:02amiconnDid you check the log?
15:54:27FebsNo, not at all. My computer crashed while you were in the middle of them, and I haven't checked the log yet, but I will.
15:55:07FebsComments are always welcome! Seriously, I now have three RB platforms, but I don't have any Archos, so it helps to have someone familiar with it give input.
15:55:51amiconnFebs: pixelma also made some of the missing Ondio screenshots. The link should also be in the log
15:56:26FebsGreat. I'm going to spend some time on the manual this morning, so I'll check the logs right now.
15:57:41pixelmathe screenshots show the battery level as numeric - if you want me to change that, please tell me
15:58:33XavierGramiconn: great job on the voice generation scripts. (did you made them?)
16:05:35FebsI need to get a wireless repeater/extender of some sort. The weather is beautiful today, but wireless router doesn't quite make it to my front porch. :(
16:05:40XavierGrI managed to make some nice greek voice files the other day. So my work on greek.lang wasn't a waste.
16:07:23XavierGramiconn: on a slight remark. It seems that the script won't accept a lang file decoded in UTF-8. In the end I had to convert the UTF file to ANSI to make it work.
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16:16:56LearWhen running genlang -u, does anyone else get loads of warnings like this: Warning: <x> before line <y> lacks quotes!
16:17:27XavierGrbut I think this is not a problem
16:17:46XavierGror better it won;t cause problems
16:18:14LearKind of annoying with three warnings for each and every string. And it makes it harder to find any interesting warnings... :)
16:19:47XavierGrso can I put the greek voice file I made in VoiceUI wiki page?
16:20:38XavierGrYou said that there were some license issues with ATT, though the voice file I made is made with LOQUENDO TTS.
16:22:00Learxaviergr: you run genlang on linux?
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16:22:47XavierGrVMware debian image
16:22:58LearThen it isn't the cygwin environment that causes it...
16:26:55XavierGrBTW does langv2 supports voice entries per target?
16:27:23LearI don't think the script does it yet...
16:30:16FebsDoes anyone have an x5? I want to confirm that the Rec button enters the main menu from both the file browser and the WPS.
16:35:44JdGordonFebs: i can get a sim build going for u if no1 else can help...
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16:36:33FebsActually, I've been meaning to try building the sims for a while. Maybe I'll try it.
16:36:50*Febs has a tendency to forget about the sims.
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16:42:02XavierGrFebs: If you have constant interaction with the manual, I advice you to build all the sims. It would be a powerfull asset for your work.
16:43:46FebsTrue. I'm building the X5 manual now. Let's see how it goes.
16:43:55Febsx5 manual/x5 sim
16:45:07XavierGrremember: in the x5 sim the power button doesn't work
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16:50:43amiconnXavierGr: I know. I still didn't get around changing the voice generation script :/
16:50:57amiconnAt least I know now how to handle utf-8 in vbscript
16:51:09jtorranceHi there! Does anybody know how to flash an Iriver IHP120 via the debug interface?
16:51:45_FireFly_jtorrance: afaik no chance currently
16:52:51jtorranceWell... Not good. Does anybody need a bricked ihp120 ;)
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16:53:36amiconnAfaik it is possible to flash via the debug interface... if you have the necessary hardware (bdm wiggler)
16:53:56_FireFly_jtorrance: wait do you mean via the BDM
16:54:38jtorranceYeah. Whatever there is for debugging purpose. I thought it was a Jtag interface.
16:55:02jtorranceThat BDM wiggler is pretty expensive, isn't it?
16:55:19amiconnAround $ 150 iirc
16:56:55jtorranceWell, seems pretty expensive just for saving the poor player... I hoped it could be flashed via JTAG because I have access to some JTAG hardware at the university.
16:59:24*Febs has made a mess of his first attempt to build the sim, but he has now found the UiSimulator wiki page and is trying again.
16:59:51*Febs is muttering "RTFM" to himself.
17:00:21FebsOr, "RTFW" in this case.
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17:06:58newbyx86Mmm. Morning. :p
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17:08:47XavierGramiconn: Also there is a serious problem with languages that use non-latin characters in Rockbox.
17:09:28XavierGrGuess what happens on the pitch, recording screen, quick menu and graphical EQ
17:09:47XavierGrwhen the user has already selected a non-latin language.
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17:20:17newbyx86Odd. The battery won't go past 55%.
17:21:06FebsXavierGr (or amiconn), my x5 sim seems to work, but shows the display only, with no simulation of the unit. What did I do wrong?
17:21:37obolaunch it with -background (might be −−background)
17:21:40FebsNevermind. RTFW.
17:21:47FebsThanks obo, just found that.
17:26:11newbyx86Anybody know the battery power on an iPod Photo? I'd say 700 mAh like it came default on Rockbox but the battery refuses to pass 55%
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17:32:56bluebrotherFebs: I think I've got a solution for the url problem.
17:33:08bluebrothernot exactly as I liked it but it seems to work well.
17:35:29bluebrotherI've introduced a new macro, which also makes using wiki links shorter.
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18:30:07sharpehey everyone...
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18:56:21Xinuxhas anybody here tried a Dvorak keyboard layout ?
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19:01:20HClme me
19:01:28HCli've been typing dvorak since.. since.. um.. o-o 2002
19:01:29HCl :)
19:01:38HClor did i type it before then...
19:01:48HClno wait, i did.. i relearned qwerty next to dvorak in 2002..
19:03:15Pi_i tryed it for a while but i use shortcut keys too much and swaped back until i find a solution
19:04:18Xinuxim just simply wondering whats the difference
19:06:12sharpeplacement of the keys :)
19:06:26Pi_qwerytuiop = ',.pyfgcrl
19:06:34Xinuxwell, damn, I know that
19:06:38HCltop row: ',.pyfgcrl/=\ middle row: aoeuidhtns- bottom row: ;qjkxbmwvz
19:06:40HClin a nutshell
19:06:45Xinuxbut what significance does it bring
19:06:46HClqwerty was designed to keep typewriters from jamming up
19:06:55HCldvorak was designed to type english efficiently
19:07:13sharpehowever it doesn't really apply to modern times, we don't use oldish typewriters too often.
19:07:21ender`qwerty was designed to slow down typing
19:07:31Xinuxnah wtf you talking about ender
19:07:40HClsharpe: it was still designed to stop typewriters from jamming up
19:07:40XinuxHCI said it right, it was designed to eliminate jamming
19:07:53HClwhich is why dvorak was invented :)
19:08:02sharpeHCl: i know, i was just referring to it's use today.
19:08:05HClthere's also an even more efficient keyboard layout than dvorak
19:08:15HClbut that one has the effect as if a clusterbomb exploded on your keyboard
19:08:17Xinuxso im guessing dvorak was designed to make typists more comfortable, and type fasteR ?
19:08:22HCland you'd have to relearn *everything*
19:08:25HClyea, and it counters RSI too
19:08:44HClrepetitive strain injury, typing injury
19:08:52Xinuxcarpal tunnel
19:09:41Pi_HCL: do you have ant solutions to keyboard shortcuts in dvorak?
19:09:59HClwhat do you mean keyboard shortcuts?
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19:10:13Pi_Ctrl +C
19:10:18HCli just use ctrl-c o-o
19:10:27HClonly my C is where the I is in qwerty
19:11:15Pi_I like whare it is in querty for shortcuts :(
19:11:36HClwell no one is forcing you to dvorak :P
19:12:07Xinuxwhat about programming
19:12:22Pi_I supose my ideal would be to revert to querty when the ctrl button is pressed
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19:12:39HClwhat about programming/
19:13:06Mikachuprogramming is easier in dvorak than in swedish qwerty at least...
19:13:09Mikachu; is unshifted
19:13:33HClthe ; in dvorak is where the Z is in qwerty..
19:13:35Xinux; isnt shifted on qwerty....
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19:13:44Mikachulike i said, swedish qwerty
19:13:55Mikachuand swedish dvorak isn't exactly like us dvorak either
19:14:03Mikachumy ; is the rightmost key on the home row
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19:18:36pixelmaspace invaders?
19:18:58sharpepixelma: nope... i still can't figure out what's wrong with the cpu emulation.
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19:24:44tim66anyone know why the cpu is boosted in the recording screen on the h1xx ??
19:25:12tim66commenting it out, I can still record without any problem
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19:27:03sharpetim66: maybe as a precaution?
19:27:59XavierGrtim: it is boosted for accurate peak meters
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19:29:01newbyx86Hm. Anybody know how I can hack the code so that it doesn't start itself when I turn it off if it thinks it detects USB?
19:29:03tim66XavierGr: is that just a visual thing, or to ensure that the clipping detection works?
19:29:20newbyx86I disabled it detecting USB when it was on, but now when I turn it off it restarts.
19:29:38Mikachunewbyx86: what target?
19:29:45newbyx86Mikachu, iPod Color/Photo.
19:29:59Mikachuthey're hardwired to boot on power plugging i think
19:30:13newbyx86But it is not plugged in. That is the thing.
19:31:52newbyx86Ah well. It was worth a shot. Back to homework, I suppose.
19:32:39peturXavierGr: are you sure boosting is done for the peakmeters?
19:34:01peturmaybe we need some progress checking to dynamically boost if needed
19:35:02tim66petur: sounds good to me, the battery life when idle at the recording screen is quite short
19:35:42peturI even doubt boosting is needed at all
19:35:54peturbut how to measure...
19:39:14HansmaulwurfTomorrow is the Day of Days?
19:40:18XavierGrpetur, I am not sure. It is just tha peakmeters cause skipping on iPods, so I suppose on iriver we have to boost. But maybe I am wrong
19:40:30XavierGrHansmaulwurf: Probably
19:41:53peturXavierGr: well for recording it only does some byte swapping and comparing for peak detection, not even asm optimized
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19:45:02amiconnI don't think it's necessary to boost for wav recording
19:45:27*amiconn didn't even think the recording screen could use boost
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19:46:56peturremoving the boost will require proper testing however. it's quite a risk to just remove it and potentially wreck a recording
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19:51:33tim66that's true. I only tried for a few minutes! I think a test with a 48k digital source would be good too, but I haven't got such a source.
19:53:34XavierGramiconn: what is the size limit for voice files?
19:53:46Zendefera1.5 mb
19:54:26XavierGrmy voice UI is 2MB and iriver seems to load it fine
19:54:32Zendeferabut I am trying to see if there is a reason for that limit, or is it just device dependent, because some mp3 players only have 2mb of ram.
19:54:45Zendeferasavier, are you blind?
19:55:04Zendeferasavier you use the voice interface though?
19:55:25Zendeferado you create the .talk files for your music?
19:55:34XavierGrno, I just want to make it available for other users, but who knows maybe I will use it some day
19:55:55XavierGrno I haven't created any .talk files.
19:56:34Zendeferaanyone know why when the voice directories and voice filenames is set to talk mp3 clip, that rb doesn't mix in the dir/file names when playing audio?
19:57:06Zendeferabut when voice directories and file names is set to spell, I can browse my collection when playing music.
19:57:48Zendeferasavier what voice file are you creating? a foreign language vooice file?
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20:04:54sharpeyou know what's kind of oxymoronish? "Lifetime Limited Warranty," depending on how you interpret the 'limited' portion.
20:05:06rconannot really
20:05:19rconanit means that the limitations arent time ones
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20:10:38XavierGrZendefera: I just created a greek voice file.
20:10:47XavierGrah he just left :(
20:11:55XavierGranyway, It seems that I will have my hands on many LOQUENDO 6 TTS generators. Would it be legal to create various voice files (for many languages) and put them in rockbox wiki page?
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20:18:45grogoreowith you having a version for the iAudio X5, would this work with the M5? Being as though it is a knocked down version without a colour screen?
20:19:33Bagdergrogoreo: we still need an M5 LCD driver
20:19:47Bagderand we don't know if the LCD is the only diff
20:20:15grogoreoBagder, ok, thanks
20:20:27BagderXavierGr: it depends on the license
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20:21:11midkayquestion: since the recorder charging options were removed, is there ever anything in the "Battery" system submenu other than Battery Capacity?
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20:29:07XavierGrBagder: Where can I find the license? Their site?
20:29:50XavierGrArgh my voice file is 1.77mb even at 8kHz at 6 vbr lame quality....
20:30:17XavierGr(and sounds like a "bag of shit" :p at such low bitrate)
20:30:54*petur tries to imagine how a 1.77MB bag of shit looks like
20:31:45XavierGrAt least I am done with the transaltion. I can't do any better. It is 100% translated.
20:31:59*XavierGr points at petur!
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20:32:30peturare we going to inc the buffer then?
20:32:38pixelmai think the voice clips are in mono
20:32:42*petur hasn't read the logs
20:32:46XavierGramiconn said that we can't do more on that.
20:32:57XavierGrso yes we will have to increase the buffer
20:33:29pixelmaand how should that work on Archos targets?
20:33:42*petur can't test that
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20:34:21Noah0504Hey all.
20:34:31XavierGrpixelma I am talking about the lanf buffer
20:34:37XavierGrnot the voice buffer.
20:35:16XavierGrI don't think that increasing the lang buffer to 18kB will stop archos model to work.
20:35:32XavierGrthe voice file is another story that I am not sure yet.
20:38:43XavierGrpixelma: can you test what happens on ondio if you use a voice file > 2mb? I can provide you the voice file.
20:39:02pixelmaXavierGr: have you tried to make them mono-mp3s
20:39:24XavierGrI think they are created as mono from amiconns script
20:39:29XavierGrlet me check
20:40:14XavierGryes they are already in mono
20:40:45pixelmaoh I see, I could try but I don't think it makes sense
20:41:15peturXavierGr: is it a male voice? those files are normally smaller as women tend to talk much more :D
20:41:17XavierGrhmm ok I will make some more tests before that.
20:41:26pixelmamaybe someone with a greater knowledge about what's behind it all should do that
20:41:59XavierGrpetur: ROFLMAO
20:42:10XavierGrpetur: yes it is a female one
20:42:33XavierGrand a very good one I should say. If we can host this on rockbox it would be good.
20:43:00XavierGrLoquendo's tts are as good as AT&T.
20:43:11XavierGr(from what I remember)
20:44:38pixelmabtw. I looked on the loquendo demo in the net - seems to be interesting - but I doubt that it's legal to use that without asking for permission
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20:45:58XavierGrwell it is the same as AT&T. We used them for so long until a guy from AT&T asked to be removed...
20:46:34XavierGrand microsoft tts suck big time. (not to mention that there aren't many languages supported)
20:49:26XavierGrargh so close... 1.55mb
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20:52:00XavierGrdamn, I think the legal notice on the demo page says it all...
20:52:35XavierGrAll other rights are reserved by Loquendo. In particular, the User may not use for commercial or business purposes, copy, modify, disassemble, decompile, distribute, disseminate, transmit or broadcast, in whole or in part, the Demo or the Files.
20:52:52XavierGrthough it says "Commercial or business"
20:53:05XavierGris reockbox related to that 2 categories?
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20:54:02peturXavierGr: I say we write them to ask permission as non-commercial project
20:54:44XavierGrgood thinking, but I have a feeling that they will decline. :(
20:55:21peturwell they explicitly say commercial or business purposes, so non-commercial may be ok for them
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20:59:59ScorpiusAT&T Natural Voices is great in english
21:00:03Scorpiusbut in spanish, damn it sucks so much
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21:11:52XavierGrpetur: what is the result?
21:12:20peturso far so good
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21:14:29newbyx86Woohoo! Beat Doom 1 on the ipod! :D
21:14:47Mikachuheh, what difficulty level?
21:15:00newbyx86The one right before really easy :P
21:15:07newbyx86I am gonna try nightmare now.
21:15:28XavierGrwe should open a ladder!!!! LOL
21:15:41XavierGra wiki page with scores
21:15:56newbyx86dead already
21:16:36Mikachuin nightmare, monsters respawn after 8 seconds...
21:16:41Mikachuand move 3 times as fast
21:16:48Mikachuor something like that
21:17:03Mikachuand of course there are more of them on the levels too
21:17:10newbyx86wtf I didn't even die :(
21:17:17Mikachuyou can't cheat on nightmare either :)
21:17:36newbyx86You can't cheat on an iPod anyway.
21:17:38XavierGrMikachu: As if you could cheat on Rockbox doom?
21:17:39newbyx86iddqd! :p
21:17:56Mikachuin the original version
21:18:32newbyx86I am gonna play PrBoom on my computer. :P
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21:27:21birdfishHas the bug regarding the id3 database on the iaudiox5 been resolved yet? (I've often noticed that the player will switch to a completely different track in the middle of a song)
21:27:51birdfishBut I have never had that problem when not using the id3 database
21:31:30XavierGrOk now I managed to make greek voice file less than 1.5mb
21:31:37XavierGrshould I upload it on the wiki page?
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21:32:36peturbetter not while the license issue isn't cleared out?
21:32:50mitch-anyone aware of lock ups in the file browser on certain folder names ?
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21:35:10peturXavierGr: the license on their site is not clear at all (different from what you quoted). Better ask them first.
21:35:13Noah0504Can anyone suggest a nice theme for the Video iPod?
21:35:25juxtapNoah0504, i use rockamp_classic
21:35:52juxtaprockamp-classic rather
21:37:31Noah0504I'm familiar with the rockamp theme, but what does the classic version look like?
21:37:50juxtapi've only ever used that one
21:37:55juxtaplooks just like winamp :p
21:38:33XavierGrpetur: ok, link of what you found?
21:38:58juxtapNoah0504, have you got album art to work yet?
21:39:13Noah0504No, I haven't really tried.
21:39:19Noah0504I thought about it though.
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21:42:48ivan`are there any browsers except ?
21:43:07peturXavierGr: page 3+ (this is for their pay-as-you-go service, no other legal stuff found on their site
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21:47:13peturXavierGr: the lang file on the tracker is your latest one?
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21:53:27XavierGrah legal crap!! I will wait for someone with more knowledge on this to tell me what to do!
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21:58:07peturwicked. this time cywin has no problems at all with the (greek) utf-8 file
21:58:31*petur wonders what made cygwin err on francais.lang
21:59:39XavierGrah also I found a way to reduce size on greek.lang. Converting it to ANSI makes it around 10kb. But then rockbox won't recognize any character inside :(
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22:18:42Mikachuansi isn't a character set or encoding...
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22:22:38ACK54WUm. I juts turned my iriver h320 on, i dont see an image on the screen but i hear the harddrive spinning and it connects to pc
22:23:47ACK54Wwhat should i do?
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22:25:10ACK54Wlinuxstb maybe you can help?
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22:27:28linuxstbSorry, I've got no idea. Is that in both Rockbox and the iriver firmware?
22:28:10ACK54Wno screen on either
22:28:40Pi_I persume you have pressed reset?
22:29:04*petur spots an interesting patch:
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22:30:41peturviolates all coding rules but still interesting :)
22:31:05ACK54Wmaybe the battery isnt charged enouh
22:31:47linuxstbYou can try charging. But I would have expected the hard disk to be the first thing to die if the battery is low.
22:32:40ACK54Wyeh i hear the hard drive spin up when switched on and spin down when shut off
22:32:53XavierGrhmfr :x
22:32:56ACK54Wif i didnt mention it.. it hasnt been used for over a month
22:33:31XavierGrI just discoverd that my nick is pronounced as Zavier!!!
22:33:56ACK54Wi press off and the screen came on..
22:34:01ACK54Wiriver firmware
22:34:09XavierGrBut I say it as Ksavier (with an X as in pixel)
22:34:42Mikachunot like in xmen, eksavier?
22:34:46peturXavierGr: btw, lang update committed
22:35:07ACK54Wwhat version is bootloader on h320/
22:35:55*petur runs off for a while
22:36:15XavierGrMikachy: I pronounce it with an X bot not as Z but as an X in linux.
22:36:19XavierGrpetur thanks :D
22:36:26ACK54Whow do i find out which bootloader im on?
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22:36:46linuxstbIt should display the number as it boots
22:37:20ACK54Wcant see it
22:38:16MikachuXavierGr: linux doesn't start with an x :)
22:38:17ACK54Wanyway inside thje firmware?
22:38:38linuxstbNo - the firmware doesn't know which bootloader was used to start it.
22:39:15ACK54Wi've been away for a while
22:39:28ACK54Wso im behind times
22:39:34XavierGrMikachu: Yes but that's the sound of 'x' I prefer in my nick
22:39:42ACK54Wwhats the recent milestones for h300 project?
22:39:43ACK54Wany video?
22:39:50XavierGrthe sound of 'z' for an 'x' is very weird
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22:41:15XavierGrpetur: BTW, I couldn't find how to get the tts engines from, instead there is a different company for that.
22:41:32XavierGrmaybe we will have to deal with them
22:42:05ACK54Wim so confused on the experimental build on misticriver
22:42:12ACK54Wback when i was active it was called optimized...
22:42:47ACK54Wlast thing i can remember was the radio
22:42:59ACK54Wi think im on bootlader 3/4
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22:46:04ACK54Wwow osciliscope is awesome
22:47:17ACK54Wwow and vu meter
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22:48:10ACK54WCould do with Linus
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22:57:58preglowanyone had any trouble with long flac seeks
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23:06:16Pi_for anyone who was part of the dvorak conversation earlyer: I think i have managed to get windows to work with divorak normaly but swap back to qwerty for typing keyboard shortcuts
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23:07:23Pi_now to bed
23:07:27HClhow did you manage that? XD
23:07:47Pi_alot of effort
23:08:09Pi_used Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (MSKLC)
23:09:30Pi_i have to get up early tomorow so i am off to bed
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23:20:38markunGigabeat progress:
23:21:28*preglow throws the confetti!
23:21:40peturthe 'box' looks a bit weird tho
23:21:51preglowso, is that you hacking the bitmap or understanding the lcd controller? :>
23:21:57markunyes, the LCD is set for RGB 5:5:5:1 mode
23:22:20markunBut we can set it to RGB 5:6:5 mode as well (don't know why wibbix didn't do that)
23:23:08XavierGrmarkun will it be easy to modify the dsp driver once you manage the basics?
23:23:08markunpreglow: understanding the controller, the rockbox logo was in the binary and is drawn over the gigabeat screen.
23:23:38preglowit has a dsp?
23:23:43markunno, it hasn't
23:24:00preglowwhat i thought
23:24:06preglowi thought it was just a kickass fast arm
23:25:58markun300MHz, but maybe we can overclock it some more
23:26:17markunXavierGr: what were you trying to ask?
23:26:31XavierGrI thought it had a dsp like iriver targets.
23:26:50XavierGrso forget my question :)
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23:28:47markunXavierGr: also the irivers don't have a DSP
23:29:00preglowonly archos targets have a dsp
23:29:04Xinuxhow do i change my password in this server ?
23:29:06Xinuxit doesnt say
23:29:06preglowand it's used for mp3 decoding
23:29:20markunXinux: doens't say in the faq?
23:29:24preglowmarkun: 300mhz should be more than ample...
23:29:33preglowmarkun: arm9 to boot, right?
23:29:34Xinuxi did /ns help
23:30:12markunyes, ARM9
23:30:44preglowsounds amazingly fast
23:30:51markunI was thinking of an extra boost level
23:31:00Xinuxmarkun: nvm found it (/ns set password <password>)
23:31:01peturXinux: try /msg nickserv help set
23:31:08preglowmarkun: and how'd that work?
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23:32:28markunpreglow: normal boost boosts to the minimum level that is needed for all audio codecs and something like a video plugin could do a super_boost or something to get the full speed?
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23:33:05markunWe want as few clock switches as possible, right?
23:33:54markunSo we shouldn't set it very high when boosting or it would fill the buffer very quickly and unboost again
23:34:54markunBut we have more important things to figure out first :)
23:35:44preglowhow's release plans going? doesn't look to me like we have what we need
23:35:49preglowlike the language update
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23:39:32amiconnImho we can only release for archos and H1x0 if we release tomorrow
23:39:39amiconnH300 is out of question
23:40:17*petur had some weird recording experience (lost the first 10 seconds: they were silence)
23:40:33peturtrying recording without boost
23:41:12amiconnRecoding should be a boring task for the cpu, just processing a dma interrupt every now and then, and swapping + peak calculation
23:41:36peturyeah, I recorded an cd through line-in and the first part of the first song is just missing
23:42:01peturIf I can reproduce I'll try with a boosted version
23:42:03Xinuxis flash possible on rockbox ?
23:42:18peturthough I can't see unboosting cause this
23:43:11amiconnWould be interesting to make a version that boosts/unboosts randomly, and then record and check whether it's bit-correct
23:43:34peturalso, I can't test optical recording
23:44:35*petur is busy committing lang updates from the tracker
23:44:44preglowamiconn: on what basis do you say h3x0 is out of the question?
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23:44:58*amiconn should finish the charging anim fixes + improvements
23:45:10amiconnpreglow: The power drain issue...
23:45:26preglownothing much else is wrong
23:45:29preglowi still say we release it
23:45:34preglowbut anyway
23:45:40preglowis lang file update done?
23:45:55preglowbutton names
23:46:08i-hi, I'm just looking for a *simple* solution to be able to put songs that are not ID3 tagged on my IPod in an ordered manner. I have like a 20 CDs conferences pack with trackes names "track1.mp3", "track2.mp3"... and I don't want to waste time tagging them since I'll probably not listen to them more than once
23:46:18preglowthat really should have been done long ago so translations would be fixed by now
23:46:24preglowbut that definitely needs to be done
23:46:27amiconnMost of the langv2 restructuring is still pending
23:46:47preglowwhat i propose we do now is make a list of stuff that needs to be done for release, then we do it, never adding anything to the list
23:46:50preglowthen release
23:46:57amiconnI expected Bger to do this, in fact he said he already started
23:47:03preglowbger is missing
23:47:52preglowrelease early june might be realistic
23:47:57preglownot tomorrow
23:49:09preglowand i so, i say we make the lang update a priority, so that translators have at least a little time to update. what needs to be done anyway? just fix the button names issue?
23:49:15preglowdoesn't sound like it should take too much time
23:49:29peturi-: put them in a folder like /conferences ? maybe just rename them yyyymmdd_description and use the file browser
23:50:02amiconnDoing langv2 properly takes quite some time
23:50:40amiconn- Merge the strings which were separated before (mostly player vs. the rest)
23:50:44i-petur: 1 have something like conference/dayX/trackX.mp3 and I'd like to have it look the same on my IPod, as simple as that ^^
23:50:58amiconn- Change button names per target where needed
23:51:03i-but I couldn't find out how to do that with itunes
23:51:13preglowamiconn: then i say we just forget a release for the time being
23:51:20preglowi'd say the lang update needs to be done before a release
23:51:44amiconn- come up with a clever scheme how to select extra features (like the alarm mod for recorder v1, or Ondio with backlight)
23:52:01Xinuxis flash possible on rockbox ?
23:52:02amiconn- empty the strings which aren't needed for a target (text + voice)
23:52:12amiconnpreglow: Why?
23:52:22preglowwhy what?
23:52:30amiconnImho stable operation is much more important that the button naming thing
23:52:42preglowbutton naming just looks stupid when done uncorrectly
23:54:29amiconnImho even the H300 power issue has higher priority than the button names
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23:54:42amiconnStupid button names don't stop rockbox from operating
23:55:07*amiconn 's motivation is approaching zero :/
23:56:06preglownot everyone can fix the power issue
23:56:08preglowit's not trivial
23:56:11preglowfixing the lang file is
23:56:41preglowi don't really care if the power issue is present on release
23:56:54preglowit's hard to fix and an easy issue to put in the release notes
23:56:59preglowbut anyway, i need to sleep
23:57:08amiconnAhem, consuming almost twice the power than it should *is* an issue, imo
23:57:15preglowcourse it is
23:57:22preglowthat's not the point
23:57:31preglowthe point is that is that only a few devs can fix it
23:57:34preglowsince you need hardware experience
23:57:39amiconnI'm not even sure whether this issue might be dangerous for the hardware
23:57:40preglowand it's not likely to be fixed anytime soon
23:57:55preglowthis feature freeze isn't exactly helping us along
23:58:51amiconnUnfortunately the single dev with all the necessary equipment doesn't have time to fix it :/

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