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#rockbox log for 2006-05-30

00:00:29PaulJamdamn, i think my h320 is broken, i hear only static on the right channel :(
00:00:36sharpeohes noes!
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00:01:08Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I'm willing to admit there could be valid reasons for HFS+ support. But I'm not willing to admit any of the ones he gave are valid regarding Rockbox.
00:01:37Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: Y'know, oddly enough every time I hear of someone breaking earphones or anything audio related, it's the right channel.
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00:02:01Mikachumaybe it's the easiest part to break in the connector?
00:02:09sharpethe second to last sentence of his, "I think we've determined that I won't be using rockbox..." sounds like he's referencing something like a lost sale...
00:02:28Paul_The_NerdI think I can live with that.
00:02:37sharpedoesn't bother me.
00:02:44PaulJamit is neither the connector nor the headphones, i tried with different headphones and it also happens on line out
00:03:10Paul_The_NerdDying hardware is bad.
00:03:18sharpehah, the definition of throw down is, "to being an altercation"
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00:04:27sharpei also don't see his reason for mentioning that the FAT file systems have been flawed... multiple times...
00:04:52sharpeand sounds like he believes that flash memory doesn't have a filesystem...
00:05:11markunare you guys talking about a forum post?
00:05:16Paul_The_NerdIt's just filesystem prejudice, really
00:05:27sharpeyes, yes it is...
00:05:35Paul_The_NerdThe guy likes HFS+ over FAT, he's a Mac user, and he's trying to disguise Mac Zealotry as Technical Knowledge.
00:05:47sharpei've never had any problems with FAT in my adventures of file systems...
00:06:15Paul_The_NerdNote that he never addressed fully the reasons I gave _not_ to use HFS+, and again only attempted to give reasons not to use FAT32
00:06:21sharpeit's kind of funny there's a post in each of the ipod forums about battery life...
00:06:32sharpeand that, "it's flawed"
00:07:12Mikachulet's just store one big .ogg with all tracks multiplexed into it, directly in the partition
00:07:47sharpeno no no! we must make a custom filesystem that we label with RBFS
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00:08:54sharpei've an idea!
00:08:54Paul_The_NerdMikachu: The guy did suggest that we should just write our own filesystem when I mentioned that Rockbox isn't created with the intent to coexist with other Firmwares, but rather as a replacement.
00:09:05sharpethat would take a while to do too...
00:09:10Mikachufunny guy
00:09:22Paul_The_NerdOf course, he also said HFS+ drivers are widely available for windows.
00:09:27sharpeand free...
00:09:42sharpecan't forget the source that's availible too :)
00:10:29 Quit ender` (" When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole")
00:10:55sharpei've an idea for the people who wish to customize/have the default firmware run on boot.
00:11:01sharpenot boot.
00:11:32markunPaul_The_Nerd: which guy is complaining about FAT32?
00:11:42Paul_The_NerdC'mon, if you _primarily_ want to boot the Apple firmware, then boot it. Since it sleeps instead of shutting down, it's pretty rare that you'll go back to Rockbox unless you manually reboot.
00:12:20Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: but he's probably never coming back
00:12:46sharpeor for the customization. ;)
00:12:55sharpei can safely say i won't use it though...
00:13:06Mikachuhe obviously doesn't know about initrd+loopback filesystems
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00:49:04Paul_The_NerdY'know, when 3.0 actually gets released, I expect a bunch of "That's it?!" style posts...
00:49:12midkayhaha. yeah.
00:49:18midkayas if we've got all the good features under wraps..
00:49:29midkay"wait, so it's really just a daily build?"
00:50:13sharpewooo verbs!
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00:54:15sharpewhat to do...
00:54:57wtfwhen I plugin rockbox to ac plugin, it reboots the ipod constantly instead of charging. it then gets really hot and sometimes it doesnt charge
00:55:01wtfwhy doesnt the charge work?
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00:55:22Paul_The_Nerdwtf: Because it sees it as a USB connection. Hold Menu when you plug it in.
00:55:37wtfwill that get fixed?
00:55:48sharpePaul_The_Nerd: i've an idea for a forum sticky.
00:55:52Paul_The_Nerdwtf: Eventually
00:56:30Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Well, let's hear it, and I'll see what I think. :-P
00:56:45sharpefor the ipods, anyway, One post addressing battery lifetime concerns.
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00:57:07Paul_The_NerdI dunno, honestly
00:57:23Paul_The_NerdMaybe just add it into the FAQ
00:57:26Paul_The_NerdIf it's not there alread
00:57:27sharpeit seems to be a common issue...
00:57:36sharpeer, a commonly questioned one.
00:57:37Paul_The_NerdCommon Issues are exactly what FAQs are for.
00:58:15sharpewhat are the chances the people who post said topics, actually read FAQs? ;) but, a FAQ topic would be a good place for it.
00:59:53Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: There is a FAQ topic. ;-)
01:00:11sharpewonderful, lets point every following post to that topic.
01:00:12Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: And it's stickied. I figure if people don't read the FAQ sticky, they probably won't read the battery life one either anyway.
01:00:30Paul_The_NerdI added battery life to the FAQ wiki page (which the FAQ sticky points to)
01:01:36sharpenow i get to sit and wait for the next person who posts about battery life.
01:02:02Paul_The_NerdJust be polite. That's the whole point of the "Experts": Friendly help. :-P
01:02:14sharpei know, it was really for more of a joke than anything...
01:02:29sharpewhen could i ever be mean?
01:02:36Paul_The_NerdOh, I know *I* could.
01:02:45sharpewe've witnessed that
01:03:20Paul_The_Nerd"Just as a heads up, the "F" in "FAQ" means Frequently. Though I suppose you haven't searched the board and seen the frequency of this question, otherwise you'd already know the answer, 'eh?"
01:04:01sharpeshould have like, premade template posts for common questions relating to the FAQ/stickies
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01:05:32sharpekind of like an, ad-lib thing...
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01:06:49sharpei remember how i picked 'sharpe'..
01:07:21*midkay siiighs
01:07:32sharpestill having those troubles?
01:07:39midkaydifferent ones.
01:07:50midkaynot troubles per-se, just.. lack of competence? :)
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01:58:42*midkay needs a coding expert. or even novice.
01:59:35Paul_The_NerdRunning into strange problems?
01:59:41sharpesharpe! ahah...
01:59:58midkaynot at all, Paul_The_Nerd - feeling quite good for figuring something out i didn't think i'd manage, actually. :)
02:00:11midkayjust a bit curious as to the best usage of like.. multiple arrays..
02:00:50midkayif i want fifty copies of a variable each for 5 copies of a variable.. like.. 50 passengers per plane, five planes.
02:01:02midkayint planes[50][5] ?
02:01:11midkayor [5][50]?
02:01:58sharpeso essentially, a matrix with fifty rows, and 5 columns?
02:02:15midkayi guess. hm.
02:02:23midkaywhat makes most sense?
02:02:34midkayif you have e.g. 5 planes, 50 passengers per.
02:02:44sharpe[5][50], to me anyway.
02:02:46midkayi think the latter.
02:02:57midkayhelps to break it down a bit in IRC :)
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02:06:57sharpethat's kind of funny, "... but odds are good it'll be supported one day."
02:07:10sharpethat's like saying, "odds are good i'll finish one of my emulators someday."
02:07:22Paul_The_NerdHm? That sounds like one of my common lines.
02:07:28sharpeit is! :")
02:07:30Paul_The_NerdWhere I mean "Somewhere in the next 10 years"
02:07:44sharpei think my timetable is a little bit smaller?
02:08:01Paul_The_NerdWas that relating to video?
02:08:06midkaysharpe has an emulator fetish.
02:08:21sharpei'm fascinated with emulation. :D
02:08:29midkayoh god, 107% realtime.. that's so hot..
02:08:36Paul_The_NerdWMA. Yeah, I wish we'd see more code updates from that guy, rather than just "This is where I am" without any code.
02:08:47Paul_The_NerdI'm worried that he'll vanish, and his code with him
02:08:50sharpeahah, get it right, it was 117%.
02:08:56midkaypff. :)
02:09:17sharpeisn't that what happened with the gmini? thing? except without the code going along with him?
02:09:35midkayso basically that's the opposite of the gmini thing.
02:10:11sharpepartially is more like it, the dude only disappeared... :)
02:10:54*sharpe wonders what he should do.
02:13:26midkayhe should SAAKLAKAl,.
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02:16:19XavierGris there an mirc scripter here?
02:17:07sharpesharpe is not
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02:31:15midkayc'est working.
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02:34:27sharpethe first problem or the array one?
02:34:51midkayneither.. the entire thing.
02:35:04sharpewhat thing?
02:35:10midkayyou'll find out soon enough.
02:37:08sharpei can't think of anything to do.
02:37:24sharpemaybe tomorrow
02:37:38Paul_The_NerdMaybe actually track down some of the bugs listed on flyspray and fix 'em?
02:37:40midkayask me and reject my ideas. alright.
02:37:48sharpethat's how i work.
02:38:19sharpebut i really can't do many of the bug requests, as they deal with nothing i know of...
02:38:41sharpeand when they do, it's not for the player i use...
02:39:37midkayah, i think i know what i did.
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02:45:58sharpemidkay: implementing that 1.2ghz processor i notoriously removed the hopes of?
02:46:16midkayshhh, it's a secret.
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02:51:01PaulJam_This is not really Rockbox related, but maybe someone can answer the question: now that my h320 only has sound on the left channel, can i just build an adapter that connects the left channel of the male connector to the left and the right channel of the female connector, that i have the sound of the left channel on both sides of the headphone.
02:51:38PaulJam_or will this be bad for the h320
02:51:47zivan56my maxell headphones have a switch for this, so I guess it should work
02:52:05zivan56not sure how its accomplished, probably in the way you mentioned
02:53:12sharpeconnecting the left channel to both would work...
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02:58:02sharpemaybe... i will...
02:59:09MikachuPaulJam_: just connect them together
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03:00:42PaulJam_can it be a problem that if two speakers are connected to one channel, that the resistance of two speakers connected in paralel is lower?
03:01:49sharpei really doubt it would become a problem.
03:02:12reezehnn all
03:02:19sharpeor even if there would be at all.
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03:32:35PaulJam_ok, it works. Thanks for the help.
03:33:03PaulJam_At least now my dap isn't completely useless
03:36:53aghasterhas anybody converted the dejavu font for rockbox?
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03:45:48aghastermeh. no answer. i see
03:48:49aghastererrr, don't click that link!
03:49:18midkaythx, wtf.
03:49:42wtfnp faggot
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03:59:03JdGordonany1 know when Slasheri is usually around?
03:59:52midkay−−- [Slasheri] (i=miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) : Miika Pekkarinen OH6GBU
04:00:12midkayi thought mikachu was miika pekkarinen. or something.
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04:00:58telliott_I'm having trouble with tagcache on my Archos V1 recorder.
04:01:10midkaygo on.
04:02:18telliott_I let it build the cache for several hours but every time I restart, it says "committing..." I let it finish but next time I restart, it starts up with "committing..."
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04:03:04midkayit's not finishing, i guess. i've personally had some trouble with that also..
04:03:18midkayit seems to build quite slow.
04:03:45telliott_I'll be glad when there's a PC app to build the tagcache like the okd DB
04:04:34telliott_I've about ran through a freshly charged set of batteries
04:04:55midkayplug it in..
04:05:42telliott_The charger socket broke ages ago and I'm no good at soldering.
04:06:26telliott_Is someone working on a PC app that would be faster?
04:06:38midkaynot that i know if. but it's quite possible to do..
04:07:38telliott_How can I get rid of the tagcache for now (till the system works better)?
04:08:31telliott_I don't want that "committing..." every time I restart.
04:08:49JdGordondelete the .tcd files and dontforce an update
04:09:12telliott_in the root .rockbox folder?
04:09:41telliott_Any idea on how to get the committ to finish?
04:09:59Paul_The_Nerdtelliott_: How many songs do you have on your player?
04:10:19telliott_Lots. It's got a 60 gig drive.
04:10:23Paul_The_Nerd"Lots" is not a number
04:10:32telliott_I know
04:10:41Paul_The_Nerd60 gigs of music is still a very VERY wide range depending on compression rate.
04:10:54Paul_The_NerdTo some people "Lots" is 6000, to others it's 12,000 or more
04:10:58midkaytry the stats plugin..
04:11:09midkayit says #files/#songs
04:11:13webguest98so... any word on the big release? i haven't been around
04:11:14Paul_The_NerdTagcache is known to have problems if you have more than 9,950 songs
04:11:49midkayfwiw about the anniversary thing: amiconn said it was june second. on the rockbox 'history' page it's listed as june first.
04:11:54telliott_It's counting...
04:12:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: It was probably something like Midnight June 1st/2nd
04:12:24midkaysure, but just curious where he'd get june 2nd.
04:12:45telliott_I may just need to forget about it till it's farther along
04:13:51telliott_Anyone upgrade an old Archos to 120 gigs?
04:17:30telliott_Files: 16,805 Music: 13,146 Dirs: 1107
04:20:06midkayregardless of tagcache's problems.. that'd probably take so long to create. took maybe.. hmm. 20 minutes to create my database.. *checks stats*
04:20:14telliott_I guess that is stretching the limits of this old hardware.
04:20:23midkay1605 songs here.
04:20:51Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: 20 minutes on what to index 1605? Took me like, 7 or 8 to index 1850 on my H120, if I recall.
04:20:58telliott_The old PC app worked fine though.
04:21:33midkayPaul_The_Nerd, archoses seem extremely slow at that.
04:21:39Paul_The_Nerdtelliott_: Except it really didn't for the softwarecodec targets.
04:21:44midkaymy 5G builds the database veryvery quickly in comparison.
04:21:55midkayi'd expect only a few minutes with the same number of songs.
04:22:06Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, but I was just asking what the 1605 songs in 20 minutes was on, in hardware?
04:22:18midkayoh, sorry.. archos recorder.
04:22:25Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'd assumed it was an Archos, but I've only heard about your 5G, so I was curious which Archos you had
04:23:03Paul_The_Nerdtelliott_: The old system could only deal with MP3 and if I recall Vorbis, which left out the vast majority of formats the software now supports. There's no real reason that a tool couldn't be made to run on a computer and generate the database, once the database format is completed.
04:23:44Paul_The_NerdThe convenience of the current system is that it uses Rockbox's code for reading metadata, so it automatically supports any new music formats Rockbox does. For example, mine accidentally indexed all my SIDs once, but of course, the commit would've probably taken decades to finish.
04:23:51telliott_That is true. I guess I need to be patient.
04:27:31telliott_Thanks for your help
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04:35:04JdGordondamn exam studying is boring
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04:43:05webguest98JdGordon: so what word is there on today's "big release"?
04:43:11webguest98oh crap....
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04:43:33JdGordoni think its been pushed to june 1/2 to conincide with the 4th aniversary of rockbox 1.0
04:43:47Falco98ah that's a decent idea i guess
04:44:28JdGordonit doesnt really make a diff.. not like anythgin is gonna really be fixed by then anyway..
04:44:29Falco98aw man i've found the chick i wanna marry...
04:44:56Falco98has the "3.0 to-do list" been updated anytime recently?
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04:55:31JdGordonFalco98: u rekon its better to study for exams or figure out why it cant shuffle the damn playlist correclty?? :D
04:56:38*JdGordon going for lunch
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05:19:19Falco98JdGordon: u away already?
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05:23:31Falco98JdGordon: what exactly is wrong with shuffle? something new, or that same "stop-and-restart" bug i was mentioning the other day?
05:29:58hardeepif you're referring to the index being wrong after resuming an insert_shuffle'd playlist, i know the cause of the problem... just haven't had a chance to fix
05:30:44hardeepthe order of the tracks after resume is correct, it's just the starting track which has changed... not all that serious of a bug
05:31:52Falco98i had noticed that the apparent ordering was about the same, just indexes seemed shifted in some arbitrary way
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05:52:51gotribegohey guys im trying to add patches to my rockbox..
05:53:01gotribegoanyone with knowledge, if they can help me i'd appreciate it
05:53:11gotribegoso far, ive installed Cygwin.. but now im stuck.. what next?
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05:56:11gotribegoyeh ive been trying to work based off the guides but when i load up cygwin from the shortcut on my desktop, it doesnt do anything
05:56:15gotribegoi can't type
05:56:41midkayhm? you should be able to just click in the window and type..
05:57:05midkayer, it doesn't open at all?
05:57:11gotribegoit opens
05:57:14gotribegoand it looks like DOS prompt
05:57:19gotribegobut when i try to type, it wont input
05:57:38midkaynever heard of such a problem. you might need to reinstall..
05:58:56gotribegotook forever to install too :\
05:59:17midkaydunno, maybe someone else has a better idea.
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06:00:36gotribegook i see a dollar sign now..
06:00:38gotribegois that normal?
06:00:43gotribegoand now i can start typing
06:00:54midkayalright, you should be able to follow the instructions now.
06:01:36gotribegothanks for ur help
06:01:48gotribegoin the section "FROM CVS"
06:01:56gotribegoit says to run the following two commands..
06:02:05gotribegodo i type those in all at once?
06:02:18midkayone at a time.
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06:06:40gotribegotypes quite some time huh
06:08:18gotribegook i think its done.. im back to Green colored type and the money sign...
06:09:37gotribegoshit, now i cant find where it is
06:10:08gotribegook nevermind
06:10:09gotribegofound it
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06:17:04midkayany devs around? wondering about the policy on new plugins during the freeze..
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06:40:54JdGordonmidkay: what timezone u in?
06:41:04midkayJdGordon, pacific.
06:41:23JdGordon... - 16 or something?
06:41:38midkay-8. :)
06:42:08JdGordonjust coz u always r on when i am.. either u dont sleep or ur not in sweden :p
06:42:12JdGordonaparently its the 2nd one
06:42:41*midkay is working on a fireworks plugin
06:42:51midkaynearly done, been coding on it all day.. i just hope it's permitted for 3.0..
06:42:54gotribegowhat is fireworks?
06:43:02midkaygotribego, like a fireworks display..
06:43:27JdGordonhardeep: u know the cause of the rproblem?
06:43:41JdGordonits its not too complicated i can fix it if u tell me what needs fixin...
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06:44:43*midkay loves this plugin
06:44:47JdGordonmidkay: what new plugin?
06:44:49midkayprobably my favorite demo now.
06:45:04midkayJdGordon, i began writing it this morning.
06:45:18JdGordonooohhhh... whats it do?
06:45:34midkayshoots up little things that explode into colorful particles :)
06:45:40midkaymaybe you can test it for h300..
06:46:06JdGordonye, sed over the .c and ill test it
06:46:15JdGordondoes it do it to the music?
06:46:20JdGordoncoz that really would be sweet
06:46:20midkayavailable options: (1) precompiled .rock
06:46:26JdGordonhaha ok
06:46:37JdGordonill take it..
06:46:39midkaymusic? wtf? ;)
06:46:45midkayh/o, need to add a couple keymappings for iriver..
06:47:22JdGordonhehe, how silly of me to suggest using mp3 player for music playback...
06:47:29*JdGordon slaps slef for being stupid
06:47:37JdGordonself even
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06:49:37gotribegogot a question
06:49:44midkaygotribego, shoot..
06:49:51gotribegoso with cygwin, i can just "log on" to and get the latest bleeding edges?
06:50:03gotribegoall within the "dos prompt-like window" ?
06:50:11midkaygotribego, with the cvs commands, yes.
06:50:22gotribegoah i see i see
06:50:27gotribegoand patching shouldnt be hard at all correct?
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06:51:13JdGordonpatch -p0 < your_patch
06:51:28JdGordonso weather u tihnk that is easy is a matter of opinion..
06:51:37gotribegopatch -p0 < (filename.patch) ?
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06:57:18midkayk, JdGordon, where shall i send it?
06:57:36JdGordonjdgordy at gmail ? or try dcc
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06:57:45midkaywill do the former..
07:00:18midkayJdGordon, sent.
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07:00:38gotribegoon the average, how long does compiling take for you guys?
07:00:43JdGordoncheers.. ill have a look in a min
07:01:02midkaygreat, *suggests the auto-fire feature at 200ms* :)
07:01:10midkaygotribego, honestly, cygwin's very slow.
07:01:19midkaytook me like.. maybe 4 minutes when i used to use it.
07:01:28midkayi use the VMware image now, it only takes like 1.5 minutes.
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07:03:11gotribegoim going on almost 10 mins now
07:03:17gotribegomy computer must suck real bad
07:03:18midkayhow fast is your PC?
07:03:40JdGordoncygwin is shit slow for compileing..
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07:04:39gotribegoright now the last line reads "gcc -g codepagse.c codepage_tables.c -o codepages
07:04:47midkayis it stuck?
07:04:58midkayit shouldn't stay on any line for more than a few seconds or so.. maybe 10 at most.
07:05:13gotribegoi am not sure if its stuck.. the underscore "blinkS"
07:05:43midkaypress CTRL+C on your keyboard in that window..
07:05:47midkayit should cancel the compile.
07:05:50midkaythen try 'make' again.
07:06:05JdGordonmidkay: u sent it?
07:06:14midkayjdgordon at gmail dot commers, right?
07:06:46midkaysent. :)
07:07:12JdGordonwhats wierd?
07:07:17midkayon the recorder there's a huge lag at some point.
07:07:47midkaydamn, that sucks.. and weird.
07:07:51midkay*goes to check what's up*
07:07:53gotribegomake[1]: 'coldepages' is up to date
07:08:55JdGordonhahah coool
07:09:51JdGordoncan u add more types of fireworks?
07:09:56gotribegothis is frustrating
07:10:01midkayJdGordon, like what?
07:10:13JdGordonlike the ones that spiral? and ones that the individual particles explode again
07:10:22midkaymaybe l8r ;)
07:10:28JdGordonalso, particle trails would be cool
07:11:47JdGordonvery nice demo :D
07:11:56midkaythx :)
07:12:02midkayi have plans for most of that.
07:12:08midkaytrails behind the 'rockets'.
07:12:35JdGordonpity the screen is too small for really spectacular ones..
07:13:02JdGordonalso, add randomness to the explosions... have some do masive xplosions all one colour..
07:13:04midkayhow's the scale of the whole thing?
07:13:04JdGordonand stuff
07:13:15JdGordonit looks good
07:13:24midkayon my 5G it looks good, not too sure about the other models..
07:14:03midkayyeah, i'll have a _lot_ of options here i think, by the time i consider it done..
07:14:15JdGordonmight want to make the rockets a bit darker so they dont spoil the expolsions so much...
07:14:26midkayspiraling ones would be cool, ones that re-explode, same-color ones, different color-ones, trails, gravity..
07:14:35JdGordondump all the options and make it all random
07:14:38midkayJdGordon, nice idea.. i need to do a lot of work on those i think.
07:15:00JdGordonor at least write the options to a cfg file so u dont need to reset them each time
07:15:12midkayyeah, maybe i'll do that..
07:15:48midkayso weird that there'd be a massive delay on the archos..
07:16:18*Artemis comes quietly in , n places pancakes n coffee on a table , good morning folks n brb
07:16:20midkaythere are no pauses on the iriver, i hope?
07:16:51JdGordonnup, slows down a tiny bit occasionally but its ok
07:17:11JdGordonmorning Artemis, sounds like a ncie breaky
07:17:15midkaywith a lot of particles, yeah, it gets a little jumpy..
07:17:26midkaybut it doesn't like actually pause, right?
07:17:36JdGordonna i tinhk its more the playback makes it slow down whn it buffers or sometihng
07:17:42JdGordonye, no pause
07:17:51midkayon the archos, as soon as a rocket begins to explode it pauses for like a half-second.. even more if there's a lot of particles.
07:17:59midkayah, playback would hurt, yes :)
07:18:04JdGordon12mhz processer..
07:18:22midkayextremely unfortunate. hm.
07:19:16midkaymaybe amiconn would have an idea..
07:19:39Artemiswell not the most healthy i could come up with but got 5 hours so totally stalled still
07:19:52midkayaha.. *spots some optimization potential*
07:20:44midkayhope that helped.
07:20:53midkaythis could be a good thing i guess, force me to optimize as much as possible
07:23:49JdGordongood practice..
07:25:14midkayslightly better now.
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07:26:05midkaymorning :)
07:26:41midkaywhile i've got you.. what do you think about me committing a new plugin? quite a small one, just a cool (IMO) demo..
07:27:26JdGordondont do it... it sux....
07:27:35midkaygo jump off a cliff pls. :)
07:27:35JdGordonit would be detrimentale to rb3.0
07:29:04JdGordoncan the plugins dir be cleaned up abit? i.e put some sub dirs there for demos, games, apps, etc?
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07:29:29midkayi think a plugins.config like viewers.config would be cool, personally..
07:29:52JdGordonwith what in it?
07:30:03midkayjust, like.. fire.rock,demo
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07:30:19midkayand have 'browse plugins' display all the possibilities found in the file.
07:30:24midkayas submenus..
07:30:26B4gderthat doesn't translate good
07:30:35midkayah, you're right..
07:30:39JdGordonwouldnt it be better to have instead?
07:30:50*midkay shrugs
07:30:55JdGordonor .rockbox/rocks/games and /apps and /demos?
07:31:02midkaythat might work nicely..
07:31:21midkayi agree that the plugins list is getting bigger, though, might be nice to break it up somehow.
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07:31:43dwihnoby categori is a good idea
07:31:49dwihnoseparating the plugins using different directories
07:32:30*dwihno - the master of unexpected comments at unexpected times
07:33:24JdGordonB4gder: any of that sound nice? or too early to be thinking just yet?
07:33:49B4gderyou didn't address the translation part
07:33:58B4gderwhich I believe is the only tricky one
07:34:15midkayonly "support" /games, /demos and /apps..
07:34:19midkayand add them to the lang files for translation.
07:34:40midkayThere's no way to get it absolutely user-customizable yet translatable.
07:38:45midkayB4gder, so is your lack of response to my "may i commit this" question an "i don't care", or ...? :)
07:38:57B4gderI vote don't commit
07:39:08B4gderas in we are in feature freeze
07:39:13midkaywhat a party pooper.
07:40:23midkayearlier it was discussed and i remember it being said that plugins could/should be treated a bit differently, since they aren't really 'core' code.. that and i've been working on this literally *all* day, it must be bugfree ;) but i respect your decision if it's 'no'
07:40:33gotribegowhere do i place the patch files?
07:40:50midkaygotribego, the 'rockbox-devel' dir. and patch from there.
07:40:52gotribegoi am at C:\Cygwin\home\JP\rockbox-devel\build
07:40:58gotribegonot in the build folder?
07:41:03midkaycd ..
07:41:04JdGordonhow about rename the plugins to and change the extension check code to check if it is a rock then get its type, and change the plugin browser to a menu with "games", "apps", etc, "all" and call the directory browser with TREE_ATTR_ROCK_<TYPE> instead of TREE_ATTR_ROCK ?
07:41:30B4gderJdGordon: I'd rather use dirs
07:41:48JdGordonthen u have translation problems like u said..
07:41:54JdGordonbut it is easiest..
07:42:10B4gderwe need translations no matter what approach we pick
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07:42:38JdGordonmy aproach does translation v easily by using a menu instead of "directories"
07:42:51JdGordonbut it needs to make minor adjustsments to tree.c..
07:43:22JdGordonand major changes to the build script :'(
07:43:33JdGordonor just lots of file renaming..
07:44:04B4gderand I don't like using different extensions for plugins
07:44:19B4gderthey are in fact working the same way
07:44:25B4gderand should use the same extension imho
07:44:37midkayuse subdirs to sort the *files*, but use translatable strings to browse those subdirs by the menu.
07:44:56B4gdermidkay: yeah, something like that
07:45:02midkayLANG_GAME_PLUGIN e.g. links to browse(/.rockbox/rocks/games)
07:45:05B4gderusing a fixed set of categories
07:45:12midkayright.. apps, games, demos probably.
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07:45:32JdGordonoh i get it..
07:46:05JdGordoncept u cant really show ALL plugins in 1 hit like that
07:46:24gotribegomidkay, im getting some "hunk" fail errors.. does it mean its not being patched?
07:46:37midkaygotribego, indeed it does, that means some parts didn't fit in right.
07:46:42midkayso they weren't added at all.
07:46:43JdGordoncoz your ugly :D
07:46:51gotribegoany solutions u can offer me?
07:47:02JdGordondamn english language and lack of words
07:47:48midkaygotribego, you can patch it manually..
07:48:25midkayfor each file that a hunk or more failed for, check for a file.c.rej
07:48:44midkayopen file.c and file.c.rej and basically all the things from file.c.rej need to go into file.c where they belong.
07:49:01midkayprobably won't be too simple, you'll need an editor with line numbers for example.
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07:49:40gotribegoif i move the .patch file to a different folder, would it help? trial and error ?
07:49:41midkayah, nice.. fireworks at 60fps.. damnit, JdGordon, you better vouch for the coolness of this :)
07:49:52JdGordonnot bad
07:49:54midkayi'll have to gather an army.
07:50:01JdGordonye, fireworks is the bestest demo EVAAA
07:50:08midkayyes, yes, that's it..
07:50:16midkaygotribego, er, no.
07:50:23midkayit has nothing to do with where the patch is located.
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07:52:09JdGordongames, apps, demos.. any plugins not fit into any of those?
07:52:16midkayi could use you for two things.. testing fireworks.rock on an H120 because i'm sure it's going to blur like mad.. and to join my army, we're gonna overthrow the core dev team :)
07:52:24gotribegoSometimes (if the patch file isn't correctly generated) having the patch file in the root of the source files does not work, so move the patch file to the location of the files to be patched and run continue the steps below from there. In addition to this, some patches may required patching files in different locations... so repeat the process at all the different locations, until all the files have been patched (Note: first try all the
07:52:34midkayJdGordon, text_editor.. you may need to create a 'crappy' category.
07:52:44JdGordonoh HA HA HA
07:52:49JdGordonthats an app u twit :D
07:54:32markungotribego: where did you read that?
07:55:31gotribegostill having issues patchin :\
07:55:50Paul_The_Nerdgotribego: Or, you can put the patch anywhere, because it's where you run the "patch" command from that matters, and the only reason a patch file would have unmatching paths in it is if someone generated it by merging several, and even then you can manually type the paths to each file in as the patch runs and prompts you for them.
07:56:09markungotribego: the patch is outdated, so there is not simple trick on how to fix it
07:56:19markunSome of the code it uses has been changed.
07:56:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: If you want me to test another plugin, just make it show up in my mailbox.
07:57:01markunYou could update your rockbox source with cvs to the date the patch was created and it should work.. but you will have an older version of rockbox.
07:57:42midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha. will do. :)P
07:58:24gotribegook herse one last question
07:58:56gotribegoi found a "prebuild binary" that is already patched
07:59:13gotribegocan i still get the latest CVS to run with that?
07:59:41amiconnB4gder: How about a mode for that buikds all (currently 3) crosscompilers?
07:59:56B4gdera good idea
08:00:07B4gderI'll work on that
08:00:29Paul_The_Nerdgotribego: By definition a binary that's prebuilt will be different from the CVS version unless it was made _with_ the CVS version.
08:00:30amiconnThen you can start it and come back after a few hours on cygwin...
08:00:45markungotribego: no, but you can use that version. Maybe ask the creater of the patch if he can update it..
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08:01:18gotribegoso a patch has to be updated
08:01:24gotribegoto "sync" with a CVS build
08:01:29markunamiconn: I've listened to about 1 hour of "On the origin of species" with espeak yesterday :)
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08:01:39markungotribego: yes, exactly
08:01:50gotribegoah gotcha
08:02:08gotribegohaha just wasted good 4 hours setting up cygwin and trying to patch
08:02:37JdGordoncygwin sux
08:02:39markungotribego: no, not realy, as soon as the patch works again you can do it again.
08:03:01gotribegomark, explaiN? how can the patch "work again" ?
08:03:39gotribegoso i shouldnt uninstall cygin?
08:04:08markungotribego: "Maybe ask the creater of the patch if he can update it..
08:04:23amiconnmarkun: Yea, I already said it's quite good. The important points are: (1) can it be ported? (iirc I've read that it's written in C++; what footprint and cpu requirements does it have exactly) (2) What about supporting other languages than english?
08:04:39gotribegoPrebuild binaries: if you don't have the time/feel like building rockbox with all the patches by yourself, feel free to use these builds (look for rockbox-jbuild-YYYYMMDD.tar.gz) (IMPORTANT: you will need the latest rockbox daily build and after installing that on you iPod overwrite the files with the ones from my build)
08:05:20gotribegoso i would need to download the DAILY build (not CVS) and replace the Daily build with the prebuild binaries that i get from him?
08:08:04amiconnB4gder: What was the idea again to handle special cases in langv2 (e.g. recorder v1 with alarm mod or Ondio with backlight)?
08:08:17amiconnAlso, how should we handle that with respect to voice?
08:08:42B4gderthe only approach we have so far is to add the strings to all builds
08:08:57markunamiconn: I've been talking to Zendefera yesterday. He has talked to the creator of espeak and will attempt to rewrite the code to C and optimize it.
08:09:04Paul_The_Nerdgotribego: You can do it with the daily or the cvs, but really it's odd that he's not providing a full install.
08:09:18JdGordonthe result from menu_show() is the menu item starting at 0 isnt it?
08:09:38gotribegopaul, one last question
08:09:49gotribegohow would i go about uninstalling cygwin
08:10:03JdGordondamn bool type :(
08:10:19Paul_The_Nerdgotribego: As far as I know, you can just delete the directory you installed it to.
08:10:41gotribegoso just delete C:\Cygwin\home\JP\rockbox-devel ?
08:10:48gotribegothe Cygwin directory in C:
08:12:38*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
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08:21:38amiconnmidkay: Which rockbox history page? June 2nd is from the ml...
08:21:49midkayamiconn, "older news" iirc on the front page.
08:21:56B4gderuh, time to try "all" for
08:22:24amiconnAh, hmm
08:22:59midkayamiconn, i guess early june 2nd sounds right then..
08:23:16midkayif it's just 1st on the old news page, it must be quite a late june 1st.
08:23:17amiconnHmm, 1.1 followed 1.0 after just 18 days...
08:23:26midkayyeah, also noticed that today.. interesting. :)
08:23:54B4gderyeah, 1.0 was player only
08:23:59B4gder1.1 was the first recorder one
08:24:35amiconn1.1 didn't play music on recorder if the history is correct...
08:25:41B4gderMay 28th 2002 We start offering "daily builds" on the Rockbox web site.
08:25:54B4gderso we're past 4 years of dailies now
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08:38:55gotribegowhat does "error accessing playlist control" mean when I turn my ipod on?
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08:51:22JdGordonhell ye :D
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08:56:50midkayhaha, JdGordon .. patched already, eh? :)
08:57:07midkayyou're pretty quick :)
08:57:11JdGordonjust uploading the patch to buildzip so it works..
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09:04:26Artemisokies folks gotta run here see ya all later
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09:04:54*petur has to run too soon, today is meeting day :(
09:07:41B4gderfailed after first cross-compiler build
09:07:54B4gderquite some roundtrip time...
09:08:33*B4gder restarts
09:08:47midkayB4gder, i've cast a curse on you, and you know why. :)
09:09:02JdGordonoooohhh.. thats a bit harshe
09:09:11*LinusN picks up the anti-spell potion
09:09:18*B4gder makes a note about giving midkay some bonus red points on his next commit
09:09:20midkaythere is of course a removal method, but i'm not going to disclose it.
09:09:26midkayhey. let's not be.. hey.
09:09:52*LinusN goes north
09:09:54JdGordonB4gder: im assuming your not gonna look at the cleaned rocks dir patch untill after 3.0?
09:10:00midkayi guess it's indeed not good to mess with Mr. BuildServers. :(
09:10:26B4gderJdGordon: correct assumption
09:10:39JdGordon:) ok
09:10:46*LinusN wants to fix the %?/#?!/ h300 power issue
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09:11:24*amiconn thinks the power drain and the inability to access the isp1362 might be related
09:11:58peturanything that helps access that bloody chip is good for me ;)
09:12:15amiconnGah, this statusbar code is a mess
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09:15:00*LinusN wants to rename logbot to Anna (swedish joke)
09:15:30*B4gder doesn't get swedish jokes
09:15:33midkayi'd like him to be called.... Betsy.
09:15:48midkayor Betty. hmm.
09:16:03markunLinusN: would it be possible to use a IR camera to spot where the power problem is?
09:16:10LinusNmarkun: perhaps
09:16:33JdGordonfrom the heat??? would it give off enough for that to actually work?
09:16:48markun :)
09:16:56markunDon't think they are sensitive enough
09:17:05JdGordoni wouldnt think so
09:18:03*amiconn now tried midkay's reworked credits.rock on Ondio
09:18:12midkayhooray.. any problems?
09:18:40amiconnNope... although it's different from what I thought it would look like
09:19:00amiconnReadability of the names is quite good
09:19:06midkaybetter than you expected, or worse? :)
09:19:31midkaycool. Paul_The_Nerd says it's much better on H100..
09:19:56amiconnEach name stays much longer, so readability is very good
09:21:07markunBut it takes ages to go through the whole list (it's also a very long list of course)
09:21:31midkaymarkun, i'm quite sure it's no longer than the old one..
09:21:32*amiconn wonders why the last page doesn't scroll out the old names
09:21:42midkayamiconn, because i tried and failed.. ;)
09:22:08amiconnmarkun: It's definitely not longer than the old list
09:22:12midkayi'll probably attempt that again..
09:22:24markunmidkay: I tried it only in the gigabeat sim. It could be quite a bit fater as the names stay on the 320 pixel high screen for a long time.
09:22:38midkaymarkun, ah, no wonder. the definitions for gigabeat are probably pretty screwy.
09:22:58*amiconn should try on H300
09:23:14midkayprobably a good idea..
09:23:37amiconnThe new method is also good for the 16bit lcd driver. Less text in motion at the same time
09:24:40B4gderit wasn't really driver related, was it?
09:24:47B4gderit looked really good on the ipod video
09:24:56B4gderbut not as good on the h300
09:25:06midkayon my 5G it was a bit sluggish..
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09:26:04amiconnB4gder: It's good because of the driver performance. The old method was dead slow on H300
09:26:27B4gderyeah, this should be a better/nicer way
09:26:29markunmidkay: why do you depend pause_time and anim_speed on the keypad and not for example on the screen height?
09:26:51markunperhaps also font size
09:26:52midkaymarkun, no particular reason.
09:27:21midkaywe have no 'overlapping keypads', but the iPod Color and H300 lcd 'overlap' sizewise.
09:27:38midkay(which is simply something i just came up with to hide the fact that i have absolutely no reason) :)
09:27:39amiconnYeah, and?
09:27:52midkayare their drivers different, btw?
09:28:06markunI think your NUM_VISIBLE_LINES could be used to set the speed
09:28:06amiconnThe 4g greyscale and the H1x0 also have the same lcd size
09:28:08midkayif you feel like switching to basing it on lcd width/height, be my guest..
09:28:18midkaymarkun, er, no..
09:28:29markuner, why not?
09:28:37midkaydifferent drivers have different optimization.. i don't think that'd work right..
09:29:07midkayi tailored the speed to what i thought was just right on the archos recorder and iPod 5G, and Paul_The_Nerd helped me with it for H120..
09:29:26midkaytossing that away for a general "this should work about right for most cases" method doesn't sound like the best of ideas to me.
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09:30:20amiconnThe fly-in of the names on the 1st page looks a bit odd, as it seems the scroll-in timing depends on the name length
09:30:40preglowat least it's readable now
09:30:57markunyes, quite an improvement
09:31:27midkayamiconn, right. it doesn't look very odd IMO, though..
09:34:16LinusNjust checked the h100 version, i like it
09:34:32midkayhooray. :)
09:35:17B4gderthe sh compiler build takes ~30 mins
09:35:48B4gderat least it now went on to the m68k with no problems
09:35:52midkayB4gder, hehehe, better hope it doesn't.. you know.. MESS UP. ;))
09:35:58midkayoh. yeah. i semi-remedied you.
09:36:08midkayit'll screw up on this one, make no mistake. ;)
09:36:59B4gderwe should make a distributed cross compiler build system ;-)
09:37:00preglowthink i'll try to fix the resampler bug
09:37:43midkayB4gder, if you think that'll help. ;)
09:38:05*midkay locates the 'crash build servers' ritual
09:38:11B4gderI just imagine a cywgin user doing a "build all" compilers
09:38:20B4gderon a semi-slow machine
09:38:25midkayhaha. ouch..
09:38:58B4gderbut as long as it works, its only time
09:39:09B4gderand quite a lot of diskspace
09:39:29midkayas long as it works, yes.. *grin*
09:39:40*LinusN discovers that he has a temperature probe for his multimeter
09:39:43B4gderit seems to work now
09:39:55B4gderof course it'll take about one hour more until its complete option "all"
09:41:39gotribegoanyone in here have 5G ipod ?
09:41:46*midkay raises hand
09:41:54JdGordontime doesnt really matter if they are doing all 3.. i would have loved to automate the whole thing, seen as i set it to go and went out for a while anyway...
09:42:01gotribegowould you mind doing me a favoR?
09:42:09midkaydepends on what that favor is. :)
09:42:12gotribegoi want to know if my ipod is defective
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09:42:18gotribegoi downloaded a video from google
09:42:20Paul_The_NerdB4gder: Being able to do it all in one lump is nice, since you can do it overnight+work the next day, or something
09:42:24gotribegoand when i play it on my computer, its stereo
09:42:31gotribegobut when i try to play it on my ipod, its mono
09:42:39JdGordonSlasheri: around?
09:42:42gotribegocan u try and tell me if ur getting mono as well ?
09:42:45gotribegoon ur ipod ?
09:43:02gotribegook one sec
09:43:04gotribegolet me link u
09:43:28markungotribego: can't you play an audio track you know is in stereo?
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09:43:55gotribegothe problem isnt that
09:44:08gotribegothe file when i play it via itunes, is stereo
09:44:12gotribegobut on my ipod, it is mono
09:44:42markunAnd what about audio files? (mp3, aac)
09:44:46gotribegomp3s are fine
09:44:52SlasheriJdGordon: yes, morning
09:44:59JdGordongood morning
09:45:19gotribegoif u can download for "video ipod"
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09:45:46midkayan HOUR long?
09:45:58midkayi can't, sorry..
09:46:03midkayhave you tried other videos?
09:46:26gotribegoevery other video seems fine
09:46:40amiconnLinusN: I already thought about opening my H340, and lending a pyroelectric thermometer from my dad
09:46:46gotribegoanyone else have an ipod and willing to test it for me please/
09:47:04midkaygotribego, if every other video is fine, then your iPod must be alright.
09:47:11midkayit's that video specifically. google's fault probably.
09:47:21gotribegobut why would it play stereo via itunes?
09:47:31LinusNbecause itunes is not your ipod?
09:47:53Paul_The_NerdThis is really something you should be asking Apple anyway
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09:54:26B4gderm68k done
09:55:44*midkay is headed to bed, nite
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10:14:45B4gderall compilers freshly built and installed takes 168MB
10:28:16B4gdernow I'll just verify that building a single set works fine and then I'll commit
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10:43:02gotribegowhere could i find some equalizer preset files for ipod rockbox?
10:43:22markungotribego: they don't exist
10:43:55JdGordonthere are a few on MR..
10:43:56Paul_The_NerdWell, I've seen a few people post theirs over at misticriver
10:44:21markun ;)
10:45:15markunit would be nice to have a collection of presets for different headphones
10:46:27markungotribego: sorry:
10:47:31Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: Yeah, but it seems the majority of people use them for genres of music, rather than headphone adjustments
10:48:53B4gderI think we should stop offering Rockbox to human beings but instead focus exclusively on robots
10:49:00markunI wonder who came up with the idea of making genre specific eq presets in the first place..
10:49:24Paul_The_NerdB4gder: Clearly only automated testing until release-ready.
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10:50:27preglowmarkun: an idiot
10:50:35preglowit really is a hare-brained idea
10:51:15B4gderI bet that idiot worked in marketting
10:51:50Mikachuit's certainly a wide-spread practice
10:51:52B4gderand wasn't a robot
10:52:20crashdMikachu: so is misuing possessive apostrophes ¬_¬
10:52:32crashdor using IE as the default browser
10:52:35Mikachuit is = it's
10:52:37crashd< Mikachu> it's certainly a wide-spread practice
10:52:45crashdno, you were correct
10:52:48Mikachuit + possessive = its
10:52:49crashdi didnt mean you, i just mean
10:52:59crashdthat people do it, doesnt make it right ;)
10:53:12Mikachuright, just saying, eh?
10:53:25crashdyeah, it was just an example of another thing that is clearly wrong, but is widespread
10:53:35crashdmaybe i shouldnt use a computer before midday O.o
10:53:50B4gdera language can develop you know
10:53:55crashdyes, it can
10:54:07crashdbut its and it's are still going to be different
10:54:09B4gderpersonally I've dropped the apostrophes from its
10:54:15Mikachuenglish has more exceptions than rules
10:54:37Mikachui never bother with the capital i
10:55:07B4gderthat's a actually quite a weird concept
10:55:47B4gderI mean the uppercase I
10:56:01markunAnd what's with all the capitals in the german language..
10:56:21B4gderwell at least they have a rule and more than just a single word that has it
10:56:57*linuxstb points towards the Apostrophe Protection Society:
10:57:15markunBut soon our problems will be over and we can all use the esperanto language file ;)
10:57:54markuntime for work..
10:57:58B4gderdo we have an esperanto tts too? ;-)
10:58:10markunespeak has support for esperanto
10:58:17XavierGrMikachu: I agree.
10:58:24B4gdergreat, that'll be very useful *g*
10:58:31XavierGrToo many exceptions for English with no apparent reasons.
10:59:07linuxstbWe just do it to confuse Johnny Foreigner.
10:59:11markunXavierGr: the reasons are in the origins of the language
10:59:22XavierGrAnd the pronounciation is just .... arbitary!
10:59:55crashdit's because the language has so many roots, as markun says
11:00:14markunThis is a nice site:
11:00:16crashda mix of romantic, nordic and indigenous celt
11:00:33markunto find look up the history of english words
11:00:39B4gderthey too should focus more on robots and less on humans
11:01:00markunB4gder: they made 'lojban' for that
11:01:51crashdheh, i doubt wether any of those 'created' languages will ever catch on, you know
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11:02:12markuncrashd: maybe not, but esperanto is a nice hobby :)
11:02:19B4gderthe indians created hindi
11:02:52crashdthat's not entirely true B4gder, it was just standardised
11:02:54crashdlike mandarin
11:03:34markunSerbo Croatian was artificial
11:04:00B4gdercrashd: indeed, I stand corrected
11:04:19crashdmarkun: and, how many people speak serbo croation?
11:04:39crashdit was for political reasons, but a language with a large fluency base is what im talkinga boot
11:04:43crashdanyway, time to go for coffee :) later guys
11:04:52markunwikipedia states "Relatively few" :)
11:08:10amiconnB4gder: 168MB on what?
11:08:23*amiconn suspects it's considerably more on amd64
11:08:34*amiconn checks
11:08:44B4gderon an AMD
11:09:01B4gderAMD Athlon(TM) MP 1900+
11:09:05B4gderto be precise
11:09:19amiconnSo it's x86..
11:09:48JdGordon246mb here... but that is with the old gcc for sh1
11:10:10B4gderI did a 'du -sm' on the install dir root
11:10:27amiconn201MB on amd64
11:10:31JdGordonright click > properties is much eaiser :D
11:10:47B4gderI disagree
11:10:56JdGordon.. ok
11:10:59B4gderyou'd have to pop up a window and move around and click all over
11:11:05amiconnIt's at least easier to find out
11:11:27*amiconn never remembers all the various options for commandline tools
11:11:46B4gderyou're just lost souls, you'll learn in time
11:11:49amiconnSo I have to use −−help or similar, and then it clearly takes longer
11:11:51*B4gder walks off
11:12:10JdGordoncan i just delete the folder to remove the whole thing? (gcc that is) coz i realized i dont actually need the sh1 and arm compilers..
11:12:12amiconn(or even (yuck!) 'man xyz')
11:12:33amiconnJdGordon: I'd recommend to have all target crosscompilers
11:12:54amiconn..but then you should update the sh1 one. It's even save space
11:13:21JdGordonok, can i install the new 1 straight over the top? or have to delete it first?
11:13:33amiconnI'd delete the old one before
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11:14:00JdGordonoh, does the script ask for the root password if u want to install it to somewhere it needs the pass?
11:15:02amiconnB4gder: 153MB on cygwin
11:19:14JdGordondont suppose you could ask for a country prefix so u dl from the local mirror instead of in the hope that it will be faster?
11:21:44JdGordonok, scratch that.. gnu suck... debian have official mirros like <country>
11:22:46JdGordonB4gder: which dir are u supposed to run from? coz im being asked "File to patch:" for the sh patch.. ?
11:23:37JdGordondinner.. bbs
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11:32:09amiconnSlasheri: Do you have an idea what might cause the tagcache commit to fail?
11:36:01Slasheriamiconn: hmm, how does it fail?
11:36:11Slasherinormally it shouldn't
11:36:29Slasheridoes it put any error message through logf?
11:36:55amiconnThere was a mail on the ml (can't find it in the archive!???) that says booting takes minutes on archos after the tagcache scan
11:37:13amiconnIt also says it's not working, and tagcache_tmp.tcd is still around
11:37:30amiconnI suspect the commit fails somehow, and it retries on each boot now...
11:37:51Slasheriyes, then it fails.. hmm, interesting
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11:39:08Slashericould be that there was not enough memory altought that is highly unlikely
11:39:29Paul_The_NerdHow many songs would one need for there to not be enough memory?
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11:40:11Slasheriall units should have for the current limit of 10000 songs
11:40:17Slasheri+memory enough
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11:41:41amiconnSlasheri: Why is there a static limit? 10000 songs isn't much...
11:41:54Paul_The_NerdThe limit seems to be actually 9950 songs, by the way
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11:42:15Slasheriamiconn: that is because we have to split the allocated memory from both ends and between :D
11:42:24Slasheriso we need to guess something
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11:43:02amiconnWell, I expcet a number of users to have more than 10000 songs
11:43:03Slasheri(that limit apply for the commit step only)
11:43:34Slasherihmm, probably we can increase that a bit or think about better memory alignment/allocation
11:44:02amiconnSome archos users have equipped their units with 160GB disks. (128GB == 137GB_in_manufacturer_terms usable)
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11:44:20JdGordonincmoing spam attack.... from the script for sh...
11:44:23JdGordonextracting binutils
11:44:23JdGordonextracting gcc
11:44:24JdGordontar: This does not look like a tar archive
11:44:24DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
11:44:24JdGordontar: Skipping to next header
11:44:25JdGordontar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
11:44:25***Alert Mode level 1
11:44:25JdGordontar: Read 7838 bytes from /home/jonno/tmp/gcc-4.0.3.tar.bz2
11:44:26***Alert Mode level 2
11:44:26JdGordontar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
11:44:28JdGordonapplying gcc patch
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11:45:59linuxstbJdGordon: "tar −−version" ?
11:46:43Slasheriamiconn: hmm.. maybe i could find the memory overflowing problem if i port the tagcache library for PC and try it from there
11:46:59amiconnDoesn't tagcache work in the sim?
11:47:16Slasheriyep, but it works great.. couldn't manage to repeat the problem there :/
11:47:18linuxstbJdGordon: Is it "GNU tar" ?
11:47:33JdGordon$ tar −−version
11:47:33JdGordontar (GNU tar) 1.14
11:48:01Slasheriamiconn: and porting tagcache would then allow building it on pc also
11:48:14preglowwhich would be great
11:48:20amiconnSlasheri: Hmm, then it most probably has to do with *what* buffer tagcache uses for commit
11:48:21preglowespecially for archos users, i'd bet
11:48:23JdGordon.. and has been requested in the forums...
11:48:32preglowJdGordon: what hasn't?
11:48:41JdGordonbuilding from the comp.. has
11:48:50JdGordonoh.. sarcasm...
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11:49:24*amiconn doesn't understand what would be the advantage of building tagcache from the pc
11:49:47preglowyou were the one saying archos uses 10 minutes to build it
11:49:52amiconnYeah, and?
11:49:57preglowthen the benefit should be self-explanatory
11:50:11amiconnI don't expect it to be faster by magnitudes on the pc
11:50:16linuxstbMaybe it's just that people are currently having problems with tagcache, and they think a PC application will be more reliable. you have a path problem
11:50:31preglowmagnitudes, no
11:50:34preglowbut i'd expect it to be faster
11:50:42preglowand if you've also got your music stored locally, much faster
11:51:10Paul_The_NerdI think that once tagcache is more automatic (properly removing files, plus not requiring two boots to add files) people will be more satisfied with on-unit features.
11:51:52amiconnIt doesn't require two boots, only one
11:52:14amiconnAt least it should... and interestingly it actually works that way on archos, but not on iriver
11:53:21Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Okay, I'm used to using bootloader USB. So, transfer files, then Rockbox boots, dircache does its thing, then I reboot, then tagcache commits, then the files show up in it. So, I suppose it'd be one boot if I used normal USB mode.
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11:57:32amiconnYe, you need one boot after tagcache scanned the files
11:58:00amiconnThere is still the bug on iriver that the browser gets totally confused after the tagcache commit, so you need a second boot
11:58:16amiconnMaybe it only happens with dircache switched off, but that's what I always use
11:58:31Slasheriamiconn: btw, does that really happen aften commit is done at boot time too?
11:58:52JdGordonwhy is the script doing "tar xjf" for binutils but only "tar xf" for gcc???
11:59:02JdGordonboth are .bz2??
11:59:03Slasheri(i have had it with dircache switched on too, but only with commit going on background)
11:59:37amiconnI don't know. For me it happens after the commit on boot. Didn't try with dircache enabled
12:00:13Slasheriamiconn: the reason why it sounds so weird is that tree buffer is allocated after the tagcache commit.. so at this point tagcache shouldn no longer modify any buffer :/
12:00:51amiconnA memory dump function (from the debug menu) might be helpful
12:01:03Slasherihmm, true
12:01:21amiconnWhat's also weird is that it works on archos
12:01:43amiconnI can check that again if you want (have the player with me)
12:01:46Slasherihmm, interesting.. and it seems to work with simulator too
12:01:58Slasherithat would be great
12:02:39*amiconn grabs player, deleted all tagcache.* files, and retries
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12:03:04Slasherii will check on iriver too, this time without dircache
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12:16:46*JdGordon doesnt belive the buildscript works...
12:16:53JdGordonor something wierd is happening
12:20:44linuxstbJdGordon: I agree, it looks very odd that the gcc tar command doesn't include the "j".
12:21:03preglowi don't get this resampler bug
12:21:08Mikachuextract or compress command?
12:21:28preglowlostlogic: there?
12:21:28Mikachu1.15 and later autodetect gzip and bzip2 encoded tar files
12:21:37JdGordonye, also, it should fail if u dont have write permission to the install dir..
12:21:43linuxstbAh, very helpful of it....
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12:21:53Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: It's 5:20 AM here, he's probably sleeping.
12:22:09JdGordoncan a script do su and keep exceting as root?
12:22:11preglowhow unthoughtful of him
12:22:28linuxstbAnyone know his phone number?
12:22:45preglowhe should fix me up with a pager button
12:23:28JdGordon.. it doesnt :'(
12:27:57JdGordonlinuxstb: if you fix the script add a exit; after line 88..
12:28:17preglowamiconn: you only get resampler distortion when using lower sample rates than 44.1khz, yes?
12:29:04Slasheriamiconn: ah, it looks like the problem might be on the filesystem level.. not necessarely the tagcache itself
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12:32:58linuxstbJdGordon: LinusN has already fixed it in CVS...
12:33:12JdGordonoh goody :)
12:35:01B4gderLinusN: thanks for fix
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12:35:37B4gderis that a safetydan! ;-)
12:35:55JdGordonit really should halt if u dont have write access to the install dir...
12:35:56safetydanyes, yes it is
12:36:05JdGordonor ask to use sudo for make install..
12:36:09B4gderJdGordon: it does
12:36:11B4gderthe first
12:36:17JdGordondidnt for me
12:36:49B4gderwell, it does check the $prefix dir for writability
12:37:08JdGordonbung a exit; under that check and all is good
12:37:13safetydanhrmm... no release eh?
12:37:17preglowno release
12:37:36B4gderJdGordon: right, it still lets you build
12:37:51JdGordonand fails and unless u are expecting that u wont know why
12:37:53B4gderI couldn't see much harm in that
12:38:40JdGordonat least put a mesage at the end saying they need to run make install in both dirs as a user who has write access...
12:39:16B4gderecho "$dlwhere exists, but doesn't seem to be writable for you"
12:39:17B4gder exit
12:39:23B4gderwhy doesn't that trigger for you?
12:39:37B4gder echo "WARNING: this script is set to install in $prefix but has no"
12:39:37B4gder echo "WARNING: write permission to do so!"
12:39:57JdGordoni got that.. but then all the build output and u dont see it..
12:41:59B4gderI think its enough
12:44:30JdGordon.... its really not on the screen for long enough... mentioning it at the end would be good... but up to u...
12:44:38Slasheriamiconn: at least i will know soon what error causes the codec load to fail.. i enabled few more debug messages
12:44:47JdGordonanyway.. how do i download a real adio stream in linux?
12:45:09linuxstbmplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile file.rm rtsp:///etcetcetc
12:45:16Mikachugo team
12:45:33JdGordonta... can it dump to mp3 instead of wav? or askiing too much?
12:45:45Mikachuthat'll dump the raw stream, in real format
12:46:30linuxstbYou can then use mplayer to convert to WAV if you want to. I think it's something like mplayer -ao wav:file.wav file.rm - if you have the Real codecs installed.
12:47:12linuxstbOr in fact, recent ffmpeg/mplayer versions now have a native RealAudio (Cook) decoder...
12:47:15Mikachu-ao pcm i think
12:48:09linuxstb... which someone with a few hours to spare could fix-pointify and port to Rockbox. (to bring this back on-topic)
12:48:25preglowwhy would anyone want that decoder?
12:48:31preglowis anything useful at all encoded as realaudio?
12:48:34Mikachuthis discussion is getting very hypothetical
12:48:34preglowi hope not
12:48:45Mikachui have some card captor sakura soundtracks in real i think
12:48:53linuxstbLots of webcasts and radio stations are still using realaudio. But I admit, there probably isn't much demand.
12:49:11preglowMikachu: cheesy anime doesn't count as useful!""#!!!
12:49:35linuxstbThe BBC for example have some 96kbps RealAudio files archived - which are just about listenable.
12:50:01safetydanAnyone mind if I fix task 5452? It seems to me that any creat('moofile', 0) should probably be replaced with creat('moofile', O_WRONLY)
12:50:45preglowsafetydan: looks reasonable
12:51:20JdGordonmplayer seems to be downloading it at realtime... can it be made to rip at full speed?
12:51:37JdGordoni mean at full speed it can download it at?
12:51:48safetydanonly really fixes the simulator... though should the rockbox file code really let people creat files read only? (i.e. creat('file', 0) where 0 == O_RDONLY)
12:52:02linuxstbI don't think so. I don't even know if Real servers can be persuaded to provide streams > realtime.
12:52:43JdGordonye, i had a windows proggy that did it..
12:52:57JdGordonhitting google...
12:53:06linuxstbTry it with Wine. For WMA webcasts, I use SDP without problems under Wine.
12:54:17linuxstbe.g.'s insane 1.4Mbit/s uncompressed 16-bit/44.1KHz/Stereo PCM webcasts
12:55:23preglowstreaming WAV
12:55:25preglowthat's manly
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13:03:15Julthello i have some questions
13:03:55LinusNthen ask
13:04:03sharpeand you shall recieve.
13:04:17Jultsome places ban for nothing so i always try to be polite =)
13:04:31Slasheriamiconn: hmm, it seems i might have found the issue. it has something to do with dircache
13:04:39sharpei must go, bye everyone.
13:04:41Julti have a second generation ipod mini i think
13:05:02Julthow do i know for certain that it is second generation?
13:05:33Mikachudoes it have the size etched on the back side?
13:06:03Slasheriamiconn: ah, yes. tagcache commit builds the directory cache even if user didn't want that.. one bug at least
13:06:15Slasheriand after that, dircache fails to find the codec file
13:07:34Jultit sais 4 gb
13:07:43Mikachui hear if it has the text, it is 2g
13:07:59preglowif the symbols on the clickwheel are the same colour as the unit itself, it's also 2g
13:08:22Jultthen i have second generation
13:08:32Jultis rockbox good with it?
13:08:45Jultdoes it function without problems?
13:09:37Jultif there are problems , how bad are they?
13:10:08preglowworks fine
13:10:14preglowat least as fine as on other ipods
13:11:03amiconnSlasheri: Test finished. Scan took ~15 minutes, commit took 1min 20 sec (!) :-)
13:11:16LinusNis tagnavi.config explained somewhere?
13:11:17amiconnTagcache is usable just fine directly after commit
13:11:27amiconnThat's on archos player
13:12:02Slasheriamiconn: good, it seems to be pretty clear now that the wrong implemented dircache rebuild after the commit was the issue
13:12:03amiconnI'm quite sure the scan could be sped up....
13:12:15Slasheriit even allocates a new buffer at completely wrong position
13:12:23Slasheriso it can overwrite anything.. i will fix it
13:13:47safetydanmake install doesn't install the fonts in the simulator
13:14:15SlasheriLinusN: unfortunately not yet
13:14:36B4gdersafetydan: aha, true. make zip doesn't include the fonts anymore...
13:14:44Slasheribut the examples should describe quite well what it's capable of doing at the moment
13:14:44Jultso you recommen?
13:15:10B4gderJult: try it yourself and find out
13:15:12preglowi hate this dsp chunk splitting
13:15:20preglowsometimes the resampler is told to resample _three_ samples
13:15:26markunB4gder, safetydan: it should have been fixed 9 days ago
13:15:45safetydanahh... someone needs to regenerate their makefile
13:15:49safetydanoh wait, that's me
13:15:49preglowamiconn: all optimisation to get_metadata should speed up scan now, i don't think anything else can speed it up much
13:15:57preglowamiconn: apart from read dma, of course...
13:16:16amiconnpreglow: Yes, but get_metadata uses the id3 code in firmware/ for mp3
13:16:22Slasherihmm, is the rockbox release date tomorrow?
13:16:23Jultbut i am afraid
13:16:32amiconnAfaik Slasheri said that there's quite some optimisation potential...
13:16:33preglowJult: nothing to be afraid of
13:16:52Jultif all is lost? and it won t start?
13:16:55Slasheriamiconn: yes, for archos there is still much to do.. to cut that 15 minutes build time :)
13:17:12Slasheriat least 10 minutes or less should be possible
13:17:31LinusNJult: you should keep a backup of your music regardless
13:17:39Slasheri(unless the hard drive already has large cache integrated)
13:17:55LinusNbut so far nobody has broken his/her ipod, to my knowledge
13:18:26amiconnThat test was with ~3500 audio files, btw
13:18:46amiconn...and it's only a 20GB disk
13:18:46Slasheriah, then there is quite much potential
13:18:59amiconn...not even full
13:20:12preglowJult: no one has managed to break an ipod doing this yet
13:20:25preglowJult: and small wonder, since the ipod can always be restored
13:21:00preglowthe only probably thing that can happen is that you have to delete everything on your uipod
13:21:03preglowipod, yes
13:24:10Mikachuaccording to amiconn you can overwrite the flash if you really want to
13:24:45B4gderflash writing usually takes a pretty complicated procedure, so its veeeeery hard to do by mistake
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13:31:47safetydanwoo... first commit for months and it's all green
13:32:25B4gderpure luck!
13:32:59Mikachui think the tar in slackware wants y for bzip2, not j
13:33:14B4gderno GNU tar?
13:33:56Mikachuiirc no
13:34:30preglowslack is very bsd-ish, isn't it?
13:34:39Mikachuyeah, i think it uses bsd init scripts too
13:34:40amiconnwhy not use bunzip2 | tar xf instead
13:34:50Mikachubsd style*
13:35:04B4gderin that case I'd rather use bzip2 -dc | tar xf
13:35:40Mikachuand if someone wanted to use it on bsd, it would probably also not be gnu tar :)
13:36:07markunbsdtar now also uses -j for bzip2
13:36:42Mikachustar also supports it
13:36:42markunBut I believe it used to be -y
13:37:27markunbsdtar also unpacks tar.bz2 with -zx, don't know why they did that
13:37:48B4gderwe should write our own tar tool!
13:38:10Mikachui wanna be a rocktar
13:38:15B4gderrock-gui-tar ?
13:39:02Mikachumy tar has a patch to allow -Y for lzma compression
13:39:32amiconnB4gder: Switching to the good side? ;)
13:40:16B4gderI ran a bot for years named darxide
13:40:28B4gder(in good old #amiga)
13:44:32Aveis there a possibility to display filename as "now playing" info if mp3/vorbis comment isnt available?
13:44:51Avehow do you enable it, I fail
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13:46:00linuxstbAve: All the WPSs in CVS should do it automatically.
13:46:03B4gderI don't remember off the top of my head, check the wps docs
13:46:19Aveahh ic
13:46:22linuxstbI think the SubmitWPS wiki page explains it.
13:46:30Aveok I'm using a wps not in cvs, so thats it, I just have to edit it
13:47:02safetydanman all the flyspray bugs for 3.0 look hard to fix... or at least beyond me
13:49:53safetydanah well, sleep time. night all
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13:51:02Aveyeah thats it, my wps doesnt have fallback if's in it, thanks
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13:54:56JdGordonfuck... stupid h300 just flew of my desk while it was on :'(
13:55:00JdGordoni hope it wasnt spinning
13:57:43Mikachudamn those newfangled flying daps
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13:58:40B4gderI hear the US airforce have caught several but hide them from the public
13:58:49B4gdertogether with those aliens
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14:14:37Avewow, its somewhat of a chore to edit wps files within ipod..
14:14:41Avebut I did it!
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14:20:06markunAve: you're crazy :)
14:22:14Aveonly because a) wps is so annoying without fix and 2) my ipod cable is at home and I'm not
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14:44:50HCli agree
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14:55:56preglowi don't get this resampling bug
15:04:58preglowamiconn: the resampler bug sounds different from codec to codec
15:05:06preglowamiconn: i'm starting to wonder if perhaps my code isn't at fault
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15:27:29LinusNpreglow: what is this resampling bug?
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15:54:42preglowLinusN: it starts ticking
15:54:55preglowLinusN: small discontinuities at the waveform, doesn'
15:55:06preglowdoesn't always appear consistently
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15:55:51LinusNpreglow: weird
15:58:12markunpreglow: I had quite regular ticking with a audiobook with a samplerate < 44100MHz, but only if the volume got loud
15:59:08Mikachupreglow: zsh has an option to not accept lines if they end with \ because it was next to enter on some keyboards, maybe you could do something similar in your irc client :)
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16:01:04Mikachuah, backquote `, not backslash
16:01:05markunpreglow: I can look up the file for you when I get back home if you want.
16:01:29Mikachuand it ignores the quote instead of the enter press
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16:02:08amiconnmarkun: 44100MHz???
16:02:27Mikachuthe inequality is guaranteed to be true
16:02:53markunamiconn: :)
16:03:30markun1000x oversampling?
16:04:23Mikachutry 1000000x
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16:05:16markunEh.. yes, sorry
16:05:42_FireFly_markun 44.1 kHz would be better ;) or 44100Hz
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16:09:46preglowmarkun: sounds cool
16:09:59preglowi already know that upsampling is the buggy one
16:10:04preglowi've never had downsampling make noise
16:11:26markundo we use different agorithms for up- and downsampling?
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16:12:49preglowbut it's not the same function
16:13:11preglowthey're a bit different, and in the future i'm going to do downsampling in-place
16:13:33preglowusing different algorithms for up and downsampling isn't unheard of anyway
16:13:39markunI remember that someone did some tests and concluded that iriver did, but I don't know which. sync filter for downsampling?
16:14:32preglowi had a chat with david bryant about it
16:14:40preglowyou mean sinc? :)
16:15:01preglowthey seemed to use iir filters and linear interpolation for downsampling
16:15:17preglowand a biggish sinc fir filter for upsampling
16:15:29preglowi'd like to do some tests myself, but i have no spdif in :/
16:17:03amiconnWell, if you want tests, it should be possible for me to do some after implementing archos wav recording
16:17:14amiconn(which will of course work with spdif in too)
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16:47:32RaeNyeHardware emergency!!! after trying to enable REAL_LED on my x5, it won't boot or reset and it's getting awfully hot. any ideas?
16:47:44RaeNyerather than open it up and manually disconnect battery
16:49:59RaeNyeanyone alive here?
16:50:48ravonNot even with the reset button? O_o
16:50:57ravonThe tiny one that is.
16:51:07RaeNyeyes, yes.
16:51:15RaeNyei'm putting it on ice
16:51:35ravonYea, until it runs out of battery (which should happen pretty soon)
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16:51:46RaeNyeI hope that's enough
16:51:58ravonTried to hold the reset button for like... 10 seconds?
16:52:09RaeNye5, i'll try 10
16:52:27RaeNyeI just don't want it to fry
16:54:01ravonAnd putting it in the cradle won't trigger a USB connection?
16:54:16ravonOdd. Very odd.
16:54:51RaeNyeI know exactly what code changes I did: I wrote 7 into PCF50606's register 0x3a
16:58:13preglowscrewing around with the pcf can actually be a bit dangerous
16:58:49markundoesn't sound good at all
16:59:39peturdid you know what was attached to that pin or were you just guessing?
17:00:03petur(0x3a = GPO0D1)
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17:23:42preglowdsp_process gets called with 0 samples????
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17:27:15RaeNyesorry, I was doing surgery
17:27:42RaeNyeIt's the red led I was dealing with
17:28:40RaeNyeI accidentally disconnected the battery wire; that stops the warming but has the side effect of not supplying power
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17:30:42preglowno shit
17:31:31preglowlooks like some buffer calculation is off by one here
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17:43:03RedBrevaAnyone with commit access able to check the 3rd patch on ? Just adds some missing info to the start screen for some platforms...
17:43:21RedBrevaOn Minesweeper
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17:47:41FebsI'm tempted to post a message in the forums asking people for their help with finishing the manual. I think that it would be good to have some fresh sets of eyes read through it.
17:48:17FebsI do have some concern that such a request would do more harm than good.
17:48:57RedBrevaIt really needs for some of the new users to notice the mistakes, experienced people assume what is written...
17:49:35FebsRight. And new users are in the best position to identify sections that don't make sense to them.
17:50:05amiconnWhat about my lengthy remarks (mainly) regarding archos?
17:50:34FebsI grouped them into three separate bug reports on the tracker. That will allow us to work through them.
17:51:29FebsGroups: (1) Ondios screen shot issues, (2) Ondios functionality issues, and (3) general comments and corrections.
17:51:42Febs(I didn't have the energy last night to open 20 separate bug reports.)
17:51:58RedBrevaFebs: Cool, you want to delegate one or more? I am happy to help, but don't want to duplicate effort
17:52:28FebsThat would be great. The screen shot issues are the ones that I least want to address.
17:53:03RedBrevaOK, I will have look at
17:53:09FebsBagder, would it be possible for me to get permission on the tracker to close out tasks?
17:53:25amiconnok, thanks
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18:03:34RedBrevaGiven that Ondio and Recorder have same resolution, but screen shots would differ between the platforms, how about calling the actual files sso_bounce-112x64x1 etc rather than just ss_bounce-112x64x1... or 112x64xR and 112x64xO? or do we need to determine an LaTeX type solution to this?
18:05:08FebsI have no strong preference.
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18:05:48RedBrevaActually, it would need to the the 2nd rather than the 1st... and then a simple change in the platform file... OK....
18:06:21amiconnRedBreva: Hmm, it seems we need a solution for this problem. Screenshots for H1x0 and greyscale ipod will also differ although they have the same resolution
18:06:58amiconn(H1x0 has no rtc, ipod has; H1x0 has a hardware led, ipod uses the software led...)
18:07:41RaeNyewarning: hardware leds are evil
18:08:07amiconnThe h1x0 hw ide led does work...
18:08:27Mikachuon how many screenshots would the sw led be showing?
18:09:10amiconnNot 100% sure about the hd targets. On Ondio, you'll see the sw led on every screenshot that shows the status bar
18:09:22amiconn(because the screendump accesses the disk)
18:09:37Mikachudo the screenshots differ in any way between target and sim?
18:10:21amiconnsim has no sw disk led
18:10:40amiconnMenus are also slightly different
18:11:05Genre9mp3also you can't show up a hold icon with the sim
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18:43:55pixelmaFebs r u still there?
18:44:51pixelmaI just read in the logs that you opened up a bug report regarding screenshots for the manual...
18:45:23pixelma...I just put the ones I found missing for Ondio FM on my page
18:45:58RedBrevawhich ones?
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18:47:02linuxstbRedBreva, Febs: You might eventually get into the same problems with the h1x0 and Grayscale iPod screenshots - the ipod has a clock and virtual disk LED, but the h1x0 doesn't. The h1x0 has FM (ipod doesn't), but they should both (eventually) have recording.
18:47:05pixelmaI looked through the manual and I took 11 screenshots (including bounce, main menu, radio screen...)
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18:47:37linuxstb(but obviously feel free to ignore ipods for now...)
18:47:53RedBrevaheheh, just post processing all 44 screenshots for Ondio FM...
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18:48:59RoriHas anyone else been in the situation where they go hunting for hardware that is a specific model or version just so you can use extra tweaks and features? I need a Belkin router but the new version has a firmware that cannot be downgraded and you cannot telnet to it. I am after the previous version. Same damned model of hardware just different firmware. The new firmware they have locked down. Bastards.
18:50:17RedBrevaI Think we need to agree a scheme to refine the current resolution only method of selecting screenshots...
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19:09:27RedBrevahow about, scrap the resolution, and simply append the platform screenshot name? _h140, _ondio, _player, _recorder, _nano etc...?
19:13:27RibsRori: I suggest you vote with your feet and use a brand which isn't retarded
19:16:09amiconnlinuxstb: Check the log around 18:06...
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19:18:51Zendeferawhat do I set the ipod video 30g 's battery capassity to in rb?
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19:22:38nls_web2amiconn: I saw in your list of corrections you mention "(4) Rockblox was removed a while ago" but it is still included and built in cvs...
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19:27:54amiconnnls_web2: Yes, I *thought* it was removed, and it doesn't really make sense to have 2 tetris clones
19:28:31nls_web2also the cube buttons are they still wrong with my update from yesterday
19:28:34*amiconn thinks that battery_test should also go. battery_bench is much more sophisticated
19:29:17nls_web2and snake 1 is kind of replaced by snake 2
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19:43:25linuxstbamiconn: Damn, you're always one step ahead... :)
19:44:50amiconnSame may happen for H300 and ipod color, btw
19:45:34amiconn(not with the clock or disk icon, but there is usbotg, different sound settings etc
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19:47:24linuxstbAFAIK, the ipod hardware supports usbotg. FM is another example though.
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19:50:06amiconnAh, yes, FM
19:50:44amiconnThat's also different between Archos Recorder vs. FM Recorder, Ondio SP vs. Ondio FM, ...
19:52:08RedBrevaThe only completely safe way is a complete set of screenshots per platform... lot of work :(
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19:54:06linuxstbOr we decide we don't care... Does it matter if (for example) the clock is missing in screenshots from targets with a RTC?
19:54:09*preglow kicks the resampler
19:54:51amiconnlinuxstb: E.g. bounce.rock looks *very* different with rtc than without
19:55:19*amiconn is willing to help and provide screenshots for all his targets
19:55:28Mikachujust put YMMV on all screen shots :)
19:56:13markunpreglow: didn't find it yet?
19:57:39RedBrevaI have just about got a complete replacement set working for the ondio(FM)
19:58:39davidc__[2]linuxstb: yes, the ipod hw /w the pp5020+ platform supports USB OTG
19:58:42davidc__[2]linuxstb: nobody has it working yet
19:58:44preglowmarkun: no, but i'm almsot sure it's a dsp_input_size()/dsp_output_size() problem now
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20:00:02amiconnRedBreva: The Ondio SP can reuse most screenshots from the FM, but the main menu is different
20:00:08amiconn(no FM and no recording)
20:02:02RedBrevaI think it's the same manual for the FM and SP anyway... with the FM section commented, *** But with the Recording section still in !! ***
20:02:09preglowlostlogic: here now? :/
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20:05:06pixelmaRedBreva: as you can see by the OndioSP picture in the beginnimg - it doesn't make a difference for explaining the buttons, but it's inconsistent the Ondio FM manual
20:14:06Slasheriamiconn: now i have committed a fix. It would be really helpful if you could try if the problem is still there :)
20:14:19Slasheri(mainly the tree corruption etc)
20:15:15lostlogicpreglow: vaguely
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20:20:59preglowlostlogic: could a bug in dsp_input_size/dsp_output_size result in samples getting dropped?
20:21:14preglowit doesn't look like it to me, but it looks less and less likely that the resampler clicking bug is in my code
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20:45:29RedBrevaFebs: & have been updated...
20:46:57RedBrevaand can anyone have a look at the 3rd patch on to correct a minor issue with Minesweeper please?
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20:48:34RedBrevaAh well, of to watch England on TV, completely fail to impress against Hungary at Old Trafford - But we live in hope
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21:17:55HeibonJooRockbox, I love it ^_^
21:18:18lowlightlinuxstb: you here? (regarding seeking in long flac files)
21:20:11linuxstbDo you have any clues?
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21:22:27lowlightlinuxstb: yes...the problem appears to be in playback.c around line 1068.
21:22:29lostlogicpreglow: at first thought, yes, the output of one of those two functions is how we determine how many samples were processed and advance the counter, I think
21:23:31lostlogicpreglow: playback.c: 405 and 427
21:23:54lowlightlinuxstb: I'm not sure about logic regarding AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE but if you decrement the start_pos, you need to increment buf_ridx so that the flac decoder gets a pointer to a valid frame.
21:24:52linuxstbI'm not at all familiar with the playback.c code, but lostlogic seems to be around....
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21:25:22lowlightlinuxstb: add "buf_ridx += AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE;" right after line 1068 and add the appropriate {}
21:25:29lostlogicaudio rebuffer guess size is just how much extra early rebuffering is started for a file that is rebuffered for a seek. This prevents multiply rebuffering for codecs which guess-and-check their seek distances
21:25:36linuxstbBut when FLAC seeks, it knows exactly which byte in the file it wants to seek to - so the AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE logic shouldn't apply.
21:26:09lostlogiclinuxstb: but I might be setting buf_ridx and start_pos to non-matching values −− there are bugs in rebuffering-and-seek which _might_ be caused by that
21:26:11lowlightYes, the problem with long seeks was that the flac decoder was quiting.
21:27:02lostlogicI'm still only vaguely around −− Real Life has been keeping me retardely busy outside of work lately
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21:28:46linuxstblowlight: So does adding that line fix it for you?
21:28:49lowlightlostlogic: I also don't understand in the rebuffer-and-seek code why buf_ridx and buf_widx aren't just reset to zero.
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21:30:44lowlightlinuxstb: For my flac file (~150MB), yes. But I don't know how it effects other codecs.
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21:33:35lostlogiclowlight: hmm, probably no good reason... do you see a good reason?
21:35:15linuxstbSo that function is called when the codec seeks to data not currently in the buffer?
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21:36:39lostlogiclinuxstb: when a codec seeks off of the buffer either backwards, or when the buffer is not currently filling, the codec thread puts an event on the audio thread's queue, requesing a rebuffer to tha tposition of the track
21:39:48lowlightlostlogic: since it's rebuffering, I just assumed they should be zero so it starts refilling at beginning of the buffer.
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21:42:35preglowlostlogic: yeah, seen those. think i've fixed dsp_input_size a bit too, not too sure about dsp_output_size
21:42:52preglowlostlogic: both of them completely neglect the current resampler position, which might yield extra samples
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21:51:31linuxstbAh, lowlight's gone....
21:52:53Slasherihmm, seems the playback could be still buggy.. got illinstr after skipped for a while
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21:55:31lowlightlinuxstb: still here the web client keeps quiting
22:01:31linuxstbI tried adding that line, and it didn't make any difference with my FLAC seeking.
22:03:13linuxstbForget that. I messed up my install... Testing again now.
22:04:11lostlogicfuck, I hate when I do that
22:04:15lostlogic*changes passwords*
22:04:45HeibonJooHrm.. in long files, is there an easier way to seek through really long files? Such as an Audio book?
22:05:04linuxstbYou can adjust the seek speed and acceleration in the settings.
22:05:11HeibonJooThankyou linuxstb
22:06:03HeibonJooWhatabout larger fonts for rockbox? These are itty bitty on my ipod Video O_o
22:06:39BHSPitMonkeythere are plenty of fonts to choose from
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22:07:55HeibonJooWhen I click search fonts, nothing comes up :/
22:07:59linuxstblowlight: My first test (seeking about 6 minutes into a 7 minute FLAC) works now. (it didn't before). But it did take about 5-10 seconds to start playing after I finished seeking, which seems far longer than needed.
22:08:03HeibonJooon the ipod.
22:08:31linuxstbYou need the separate fonts download - it's on the daily builds page.
22:09:08HeibonJooThankyou :D
22:09:47HeibonJoo ?
22:10:01lowlightlinuxstb: maybe because it has to do a long lseek and then refill the buffer
22:10:24lowlight(it seeks from the beginning of the file)
22:11:14linuxstbMaybe... Other seeks I'm now testing seem to be faster, so maybe I was just unlucky with the first one.
22:11:28HeibonJoofound the fonts.
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22:13:17linuxstblowlight: I don't know the playback code well enough to say if this will break anything though. But I've got some long mp2 files I can test.
22:16:50lowlightI don't know it that well either. I'm not sure what codecs need that AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE padding. Do any codecs look backwards in the buffer after seeking forwards?
22:17:31HeibonJooHrm.. with the fonts... The now playing screen goes a bit "iffy"
22:17:41HeibonJoothings are displaced an offset.
22:17:57linuxstbYes, the WPS is normally dependent on a specific font.
22:18:07HeibonJoo"reasearches WPS"
22:18:13linuxstb"While Playing Screen"
22:18:39HeibonJooare there different WPS styles or configurations?
22:18:42linuxstbIf you go into "Browse Themes" in the menu, then a theme will select both a WPS and a matching font.
22:18:54linuxstb(but there aren't many, if any, for the 5g yet)
22:19:04linuxstbI mean designed specifically for the 5g.
22:19:06HeibonJooDont have any themses but I am sure I will just search them out.
22:19:40linuxstblowlight: I'm sure some of the VBR codecs need to, in order to sync to a frame. Ogg possibly does.
22:19:48HeibonJooSweet!, they look good enough to me!
22:19:54HeibonJoohah! thanks linuxstb again
22:20:02linuxstbAh, a happy customer... Come back often.
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22:21:13HeibonJooits better than pulling out a magnifying glass to see what song I am on.
22:21:55linuxstblowlight: It works fine with my long MP2 files, and the change seems logical enough to me. Have you tested it with anything apart from FLAC?
22:22:35HeibonJooHrm.. installing seems interesting though..
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22:24:03lowlightlinuxstb: for mp3 I think libmad just returns a sync error and then looks for the next valid frame header. I don't think it goes backwards.
22:24:05goffalol <DoktorSeven> emacs is an okay OS but its text editor sucks.
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22:24:16goffastole that off of bash
22:24:51linuxstblowlight: Sounds right to me. There are no timestamps in MP3 frames, so the codec doesn't know where it is. Ogg frames are timestamped though, so I'm guessing it may seek backwards.
22:25:22lowlightlinuxstb: I only tested 1 flac file
22:25:30HeibonJooalright! lets see if my first theme works. rockamp-classic
22:25:55linuxstbI've tested a few - just single tracks that happen to be larger than 32MB - so about 40MB-60MB.
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22:26:40HeibonJoohahah!!! sweet!
22:27:18markunHeibonJoo: where did you hear about rockbox?
22:27:22HeibonJooOkay yes.. Rockbox Rocks.
22:28:13HeibonJooWas very upset that I couldnt listen to my Flac and Ogg vorbis albums on my Ipod so they gave me a suggestion.
22:28:22HeibonJooAnd so far, the suggestion is brilliant.
22:28:41markunwho are 'they'?
22:28:51HeibonJooThe people at Oink
22:29:06HeibonJooFriends. Jiggafellz, FuzzyLogic
22:29:08HeibonJooamong others.
22:29:55HeibonJooBtw Congratulations everyone on your fine work with Rockbox. Superb. Keep up the good work!
22:30:32markunand it will only get better :)
22:30:35preglowif you're on oink you probably like lossless stuff, heh
22:30:39preglowso rockbox should be just right for you
22:30:44HeibonJoolossless if really good :D
22:30:52goffaheh.. oink rules
22:30:52linuxstbmarkun: Yes, it's not even started yet...
22:31:08HeibonJooHope more work is put into the Ipod5g then :D
22:31:22lowlightlinuxstb: I think that the playback code should just seek to the asked for location. Let the codec handle this AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE stuff.
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22:31:52lowlighte.g the codec can ask to seek to a slightly earlier spot if necessary.
22:37:28HeibonJooIf a theme turns out to be unreadable, is there a way to default back or to change a config file somewhere?
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22:42:42linuxstblowlight: I've just been searching CVS to find where that GUESS code was added. It was commit 1.241 -
22:43:52linuxstblostlogic's commit message was "fix bad rebuffering bug"...
22:44:11linuxstbHeibonJoo: If you turn on the hold switch as Rockbox is booting, it will reset all the settings to the defaults.
22:44:12markunHeibonJoo: if you boot with the hold button on your settings should be reset
22:44:29markunok, what linuxstb says :)
22:44:46linuxstbOr what markun said - either will work...
22:48:34lowlightlinuxstb: but it looks like the other instances of AUDIO_REBUFFER_GUESS_SIZE have since been removed.
22:48:49HeibonJoothankyou :D
22:49:37aghasterhi markun
22:50:31HeibonJooalright, not I have a plethora of themes to choose from. very informative. thankyou!
22:50:48HeibonJooDoh, and I just found a dead pixel.
22:50:56linuxstblowlight: True. Maybe I should just commit it and see what happens....
22:50:59XavierGrdead pixel?
22:51:12lostlogiclowlight: yes, I was using it in other places, but it is only needed for the rebuffer and seek case now.
22:51:20HeibonJoodead pixel in screen of Ipod
22:51:27lostlogiclowlight: if you just let the codec handle it, it makes vorbis seeks often take a very long time to complete
22:51:52lostlogicbecause the buffer code will then hafta close and reopen tha tfile several times as the codec repeatedly seeks backward small amounts prior to the original seek request
22:52:16lostlogicbut slow is better than broken.
22:53:05linuxstbIs it just vorbis that this affects?
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22:53:28lostlogiclinuxstb: I don't know how other codecs seek, vorbis is th eonly one I _know_ it effects.
22:54:05linuxstbI know ALAC, FLAC and AAC always seek to an exact byte.
22:54:32linuxstbAC3 won't either... Or WAV and AIFF I would guess.
22:54:49linuxstblowlight seems sure that MPEG doesn't, so that just leaves wavpack and musepack...
22:55:31lowlightlostlogic: ok. but can't the vorbis codec just request a X bytes prior to the seek point?
22:55:36lostlogicsigh, I hate when vorbis is the shitty codec.
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22:55:49linuxstbNo seek table.... (afaik)
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22:56:20lostlogiclowlight: would hafta have our codec code do a seek X prior, seek X forward when the tremor code seeks to a location
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22:56:25lostlogicsuppose that would probably be a better solution.
23:00:36lowlightlostlogic: dunno. But it still seems like rebuffer_and_seek should set buf_ridx and buf_widx to zero so that the whole buffer is used for the refill.
23:01:15lostlogiclowlight: the whole buffer will be used for refill regardless of what they are set to as long as they are set equal... which they are.
23:01:24lostlogiclowlight: it's a ring
23:01:38lowlightbut maybe I'm misunderstanding the buffer indices
23:03:16qwmBagder: are you there?
23:03:49qwmBagder: - which noun fits best for this building?
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23:05:35Bagderwhich noun?
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23:06:00qwmyeah, is it a store? a supermarket? a mcdonalds restaurant? a kiosk?
23:06:24Bagdera kiosk I'd say
23:06:30qwmah, i agree.
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23:08:53lostlogicdrive through?
23:09:00lostlogicermh nvm.
23:09:15lostlogicif you said kiosk to me I'd have no idea what you were talking about.
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23:11:04lowlighttime to go home...later.
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