| 00:04:04 | aghaster | hehe, rockboxdev.sh is a nice script |
| 00:05:27 | * | Bagder bows |
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| 00:06:28 | sharpe | gah... |
| 00:06:39 | sharpe | finally home.. |
| 00:06:53 | markun | sharpe: welcome home :) |
| 00:06:58 | linuxstb | Bagder: Very polite refusal to the request to re-open the wma->mp3 converter feature request... |
| 00:07:09 | sharpe | stuck at school for practically three hours. |
| 00:07:19 | Bagder | linuxstb: :-) |
| 00:08:12 | | Nick Sa is now known as San (n=test@213-202-189-31.bas504.dsl.esat.net) |
| 00:08:56 | linuxstb | sharpe: Lucky you, I was stuck there for 20 years... |
| 00:09:02 | aghaster | lollll |
| 00:09:09 | sharpe | well, that was only this afternoon. :) |
| 00:09:21 | HeibonJoo | Hey, how is work going on the Ipod's for detecting how much RAM is on the device? |
| 00:09:42 | HeibonJoo | Im asking because My info says My buffer is < 32MB |
| 00:09:49 | markun | Bagder: what was that guy thinking?! |
| 00:10:03 | Bagder | I don't think it thinks at all |
| 00:10:18 | linuxstb | HeibonJoo: Someone in the forums figured out how to build Rockbox for the 5g with support for 64MB of RAM, but the detection isn't done at runtime - you need to change the source and recompile. |
| 00:11:07 | HeibonJoo | They made an already built one, but its built off the May 25th CVS build |
| 00:11:19 | HeibonJoo | And I just got done reading that article in its entirety. |
| 00:11:34 | HeibonJoo | and it said at the end they are working on a way to detect RAM |
| 00:12:27 | HeibonJoo | They're working on a better way to detect RAM, because it's possible that future device (and 80gig 5G?) will happen, and it'd be better not to depend on HD size. Especially since if a good method is determined, one could use it for other targets that may have multiple RAM sizes, if I understand. |
| 00:12:38 | HeibonJoo | from Llorean |
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| 00:12:39 | linuxstb | It's not as simple as just detecting how much RAM is available - the codecs and plugins expect to be loaded and run at the end of RAM. So if the end of RAM is different for different players, then it won't work. |
| 00:13:25 | HeibonJoo | ... just what the administrator says :( |
| 00:13:40 | linuxstb | It's been discussed before though - a possible solution is to move the codecs and plugins to the very start of RAM, instead of the end. |
| 00:13:50 | Bagder | moving the plugins/codecs should be hard |
| 00:13:54 | Bagder | NOT |
| 00:14:01 | Bagder | darn, can't type today either |
| 00:14:05 | HeibonJoo | Then do it muahahaha! |
| 00:14:29 | HeibonJoo | How do you find out which CVS build you have installed? |
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| 00:14:34 | HeibonJoo | on the device. |
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| 00:14:50 | linuxstb | Main Menu -> Info -> Version |
| 00:14:54 | kiaxdc | ive looked and i just wanted to make suer |
| 00:15:10 | kiaxdc | there isnt a build of rockbox for the iriver h10 right |
| 00:15:15 | linuxstb | right. |
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| 00:15:22 | Febs | Does anyone know what the error "Result: 0" in the bootloader? |
| 00:15:25 | Bagder | kiaxdc: correct |
| 00:15:32 | kiaxdc | oh well lol |
| 00:16:03 | HeibonJoo | Any howtos on how to compile the build yourself? |
| 00:16:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:16:17 | Bagder | check the docs and wiki links |
| 00:16:22 | linuxstb | Febs: That should mean everything's OK - i.e. the rockbox.whatever file has been loaded and the checksum/model verified. |
| 00:16:41 | HeibonJoo | checking |
| 00:17:07 | linuxstb | Febs: So it's not an error - just a status message. |
| 00:17:25 | Febs | Hmmmm. I'm trying to help out this guy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4486.0 |
| 00:17:52 | Febs | He says the bootloader gets to that point and then stops. He never sees the Roickbox splash screen. |
| 00:18:41 | Febs | Roickbox/Rockbox |
| 00:19:40 | HeibonJoo | sweet. Rockbox wiki extremely helpful |
| 00:20:17 | linuxstb | Febs: The next (only) thing the bootloader does after displaying "Result:0" is to jump to the entry point in Rockbox. So it would seem that Rockbox itself is crashing before it displays anything. |
| 00:20:44 | sharpe | did he build rockbox himself? or is he using a daily/cvs build? |
| 00:21:17 | Febs | Reading the thread, he seems to have tried the latest daily build. |
| 00:21:23 | sharpe | ooh |
| 00:22:06 | HeibonJoo | heh... this will be my first time to compile O_o |
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| 00:24:51 | HeibonJoo | sweet. rockbox development here I come |
| 00:24:57 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 00:25:08 | Bagder | HeibonJoo: welcome! |
| 00:26:00 | sharpe | you'll get your membership card as soon as i get around to the procrastination member cards. |
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| 00:26:47 | HeibonJoo | hrmm.. which do you recommend, VM Ware player or Cygwin? |
| 00:27:04 | sharpe | i'm just taking a stab in the dark, but you're using windows, right? |
| 00:27:10 | HeibonJoo | yes |
| 00:27:20 | Bagder | HeibonJoo: vmware is a lot faster |
| 00:27:25 | sharpe | i use cygwin, but, vmware compiles faster... |
| 00:27:29 | HeibonJoo | I'm a slave to the $%^& that is microsoft... |
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| 00:27:32 | HeibonJoo | :( |
| 00:27:56 | sharpe | i just use cygwin because i've no real need to use the vmware image... |
| 00:27:58 | HeibonJoo | vm ware it is then :D |
| 00:28:05 | JdGordon | use colinux |
| 00:28:11 | JdGordon | faster than both of them |
| 00:28:23 | HeibonJoo | I'll stick with VM ware. |
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| 00:30:16 | sharpe | and i'll use cygwin. ahahah. |
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| 00:31:33 | HeibonJoo | This should be interesting |
| 00:34:42 | HeibonJoo | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:username@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel ... "pserver means what?" |
| 00:35:00 | sharpe | leave it as it is :) |
| 00:35:05 | HeibonJoo | alrighty then |
| 00:35:06 | sharpe | just change username to anonymous |
| 00:35:16 | HeibonJoo | excellent :D |
| 00:35:35 | sharpe | pserver is the type of connection, if my memory serves me correctly. |
| 00:36:23 | HeibonJoo | 183MB uncompressed to 2 GB... wow. |
| 00:36:35 | HeibonJoo | 7zip image of rockbox development for VMware |
| 00:39:31 | HeibonJoo | what does this line do? cvs -z3 -d:pserver:username@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
| 00:39:49 | sharpe | gets the latest package of rockbox-devel... |
| 00:40:05 | HeibonJoo | and copies them to rockbox-devel? |
| 00:40:12 | sharpe | the current directory... |
| 00:40:24 | HeibonJoo | Ah. so I need to be in a directory... heh |
| 00:40:33 | linuxstb | It will make a directory called rockbox-devel in the current directory. |
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| 00:41:07 | HeibonJoo | and if using vmware I should just leave as is? |
| 00:41:29 | HeibonJoo | not change directories I mean. |
| 00:41:47 | Bagder | hm, doesn't the vmware image come with something already checked out? |
| 00:42:08 | * | Bagder doesn't know, just trying to remember |
| 00:42:09 | HeibonJoo | Dunno, not complete just yet |
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| 00:43:51 | HeibonJoo | is turening off autorun that important? |
| 00:46:25 | HeibonJoo | Uno momento, have to reboot system. |
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| 01:11:02 | sharpe | midkay? |
| 01:11:07 | midkay | sharpe? |
| 01:11:11 | sharpe | midkay?! |
| 01:11:19 | midkay | sharpe?! |
| 01:11:24 | sharpe | midkay!! |
| 01:12:43 | midkay | alright, that's getting annoying. |
| 01:12:51 | sharpe | but funny. |
| 01:13:05 | midkay | ... yeah.. |
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| 01:13:23 | sharpe | so, take any look at that source? :) |
| 01:13:36 | midkay | nope |
| 01:13:46 | sharpe | arr. |
| 01:13:50 | sharpe | level 19 i am. |
| 01:13:57 | midkay | ah, grats. |
| 01:14:16 | sharpe | only ~2995 more exp. until i hit 20. |
| 01:14:31 | midkay | another good quest or two :) |
| 01:14:36 | sharpe | yep... |
| 01:14:50 | sharpe | any reccomendation on armor? ;) |
| 01:15:03 | midkay | i've got the seitung, i like it.. |
| 01:15:21 | sharpe | ah... |
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| 01:20:09 | sharpe | hmmm... |
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| 01:27:40 | HeibonJoo | alright. |
| 01:28:13 | HeibonJoo | What is an extended freezing period? |
| 01:29:04 | markun | HeibonJoo: no new features get added until major bugs have been fixed. |
| 01:29:12 | HeibonJoo | Ah. |
| 01:32:44 | sharpe | woo |
| 01:32:48 | sharpe | now i've djgpp set up. |
| 01:32:52 | HeibonJoo | WMware.. Cool. |
| 01:33:13 | HeibonJoo | researching what djgpp is. |
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| 01:40:38 | sharpe | next, mingw! |
| 01:41:34 | * | qwm slaps midkay |
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| 01:54:25 | sharpe | ahah! now i've cygwin, djgpp, and mingw set up! |
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| 02:04:48 | Jd|uni | hey all |
| 02:05:10 | Jd|uni | hardeep: they shuffle resume bug is fixed? |
| 02:05:10 | reezeh | support for ipod 3G anywhere soon? |
| 02:05:28 | Jd|uni | not official.. but it works currently.. |
| 02:05:52 | reezeh | but still no sound? |
| 02:05:58 | Jd|uni | dunno.. |
| 02:06:01 | midkay | hey Jd|uni |
| 02:06:08 | Jd|uni | hey midkay |
| 02:14:33 | sharpe | hey sharpe. |
| 02:15:08 | Jd|uni | if your bored and u know if clap your hands |
| 02:15:11 | Jd|uni | CLAP CLAP |
| 02:15:22 | sharpe | too bored to |
| 02:15:25 | Jd|uni | if your bored and u know if clap your hands |
| 02:15:28 | Jd|uni | CLAP CLAP |
| 02:15:33 | sharpe | the least bit of excitement will remove my boredom |
| 02:15:54 | Jd|uni | if your bored and u know it and u really wanna show it.. |
| 02:16:07 | Jd|uni | if your bored and u know it clap yours hands |
| 02:16:09 | Jd|uni | CLAP CLAP |
| 02:16:27 | sharpe | oh |
| 02:16:30 | sharpe | which reminds me |
| 02:16:34 | sharpe | i must wash more clothes. |
| 02:16:40 | sharpe | i'll be back in a few minutes. |
| 02:21:21 | sharpe | yay |
| 02:26:24 | HeibonJoo | So, how do you get shuffle to work over multiple directories? |
| 02:26:35 | midkay | playlists. |
| 02:26:37 | sharpe | very carefully. |
| 02:26:42 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:26:50 | HeibonJoo | like if I have /music/a and /mucic/b and I want it to shuffle between them? |
| 02:26:54 | HeibonJoo | only playlist eh :/ |
| 02:26:59 | sharpe | another acceptable answer, "correctly." |
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| 02:28:45 | hardeep | Jd|uni: yes, it should be fixed |
| 02:30:08 | hardeep | HeibonJoo: Context->Playlist->Insert shuffled on the /music directory will shuffle all subdirectories together if you have recursively insert enabled from the playlist options menu |
| 02:30:55 | Jd|uni | cheers hardeep |
| 02:33:44 | HeibonJoo | thankyou hardeep :D |
| 02:35:15 | HeibonJoo | hrmmm... that seems to take a while.. |
| 02:35:17 | HeibonJoo | heh |
| 02:35:18 | sharpe | yay |
| 02:35:39 | sharpe | i did something, not particularly useful, but funny. |
| 02:35:45 | HeibonJoo | And how do you get back to the WPS? |
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| 02:39:06 | hardeep | HeibonJoo: enable directory cache to speed it up. it took me 13s to insert 3000 tracks on my h300. |
| 02:39:13 | hardeep | to get back to wps: press play |
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| 02:45:38 | J32US | dang, alot more people in here than I expected. |
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| 03:01:13 | Jd|uni | done any work with fireworks yet midkay? |
| 03:01:24 | midkay | Jd|uni, not really.. |
| 03:02:41 | sharpe | anyone have a question for sharpe? heheh... |
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| 03:03:45 | midkay | sharpe, sure.. say my nick. |
| 03:03:55 | qwm | midkay: you told the world already? |
| 03:03:56 | qwm | :\ |
| 03:04:00 | * | qwm is disappointed |
| 03:06:13 | BHSPitLappy | sharpe: are you related to sharpie, the permanent marker? |
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| 03:10:38 | sharpe | eh, unfortunately, no... |
| 03:11:35 | BHSPitLappy | k |
| 03:11:40 | BHSPitLappy | then, no |
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| 03:11:57 | sharpe | oh, okay... |
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| 03:26:41 | sharpe | in soviet russia, stages are for performers only |
| 03:27:02 | BHSPitLappy | k |
| 03:28:38 | Jd|uni | in soviet russia, road forks youu!! |
| 03:28:48 | Jd|uni | ... family guy... |
| 03:28:53 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, we know. |
| 03:29:09 | J32US | lol sharpe |
| 03:29:39 | sharpe | yep... |
| 03:29:47 | sharpe | in soviet russia, stalin kills everybody! |
| 03:29:57 | J32US | in soviet russia, kid makes shoe! |
| 03:30:18 | sharpe | a friend and i had made up many of them... |
| 03:32:35 | BHSPitLappy | those don't fit in with the accepted pattern, though |
| 03:32:45 | sharpe | no, but they make for a better sounding joke. |
| 03:32:58 | BHSPitLappy | it should say, everybody kills stalin |
| 03:33:21 | sharpe | but, "in soviet russia, stalin kill everybody!" sounds better, and more understandable... |
| 03:33:40 | BHSPitLappy | maybe in YOUR opinion... |
| 03:33:49 | sharpe | yes, i know it should be the other way |
| 03:33:50 | * | BHSPitLappy eats sharpe's DAP |
| 03:34:46 | sharpe | that's not nice... |
| 03:43:31 | sharpe | now no one will have space invaders on their player... :( |
| 03:44:37 | BHSPitLappy | you don't need a DAP to code for one. |
| 03:44:44 | BHSPitLappy | and technically, I already have it. (iPL) |
| 03:44:49 | sharpe | no, but i need it to test. |
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| 03:50:19 | BHSPitLappy | what's up with that freezing period... |
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| 04:02:27 | J32US | what DAP do you need sharpe? |
| 04:03:05 | BHSPitLappy | the one I ate. |
| 04:03:52 | sharpe | mmhmm. |
| 04:03:57 | J32US | well when you go to the washroom. tell me what kind it was :-p |
| 04:04:07 | J32US | that is if you can still tell :s |
| 04:04:10 | sharpe | i pawd vidio. |
| 04:04:28 | sharpe | eh, should probably be vidioh. |
| 04:04:46 | sharpe | or videyo |
| 04:04:53 | BHSPitLappy | i pawd vidioh, too |
| 04:05:02 | J32US | ipod... dang |
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| 04:06:27 | J32US | i dunno what it is... but i have alot of beef with mac/apple/ipod |
| 04:06:33 | J32US | they just... well, suck |
| 04:06:50 | BHSPitLappy | ipods are nice |
| 04:07:06 | BHSPitLappy | would you prefer a Windows Media Player Mobile someday? |
| 04:07:09 | * | BHSPitLappy shudders |
| 04:08:29 | sharpe | i would cry. |
| 04:08:48 | sharpe | hey! WMPM! wimpim! |
| 04:09:19 | BHSPitLappy | the TuxTunes player would be a nice third party :P |
| 04:09:38 | sharpe | or the rockbox port. heheh... |
| 04:10:25 | sharpe | i wrote 22 bytes of shellcode! |
| 04:11:05 | BHSPitLappy | woo! |
| 04:11:14 | sharpe | guess what it does! |
| 04:11:15 | BHSPitLappy | I took 22 bites off a toblerone! |
| 04:11:25 | * | BHSPitLappy feels sick... |
| 04:11:32 | sharpe | gee, i wonder why. |
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| 04:12:33 | BHSPitLappy | linuxstb ! |
| 04:12:33 | J32US | i wish the rockbox port was finsihed :-s gigabeats rocks |
| 04:16:10 | aghaster | meh, was something changed about fonts or the way they are displayed? |
| 04:16:20 | aghaster | the themes are broken on the bleeding edge build |
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| 04:17:29 | aghaster | but at least it seems to have better responsability than the other version i had. |
| 04:17:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | aghaster: Which themes? |
| 04:18:07 | aghaster | dancing puffs and joltAmp |
| 04:18:18 | aghaster | what seems broken is only the way text is displayed |
| 04:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | "the way text is displayed" is a very vague statement |
| 04:18:30 | aghaster | but it seems fonts weren't changed |
| 04:18:36 | aghaster | i'll look for that first. |
| 04:18:45 | aghaster | its my first build (which i built myself) |
| 04:19:14 | aghaster | meh, can't browse fonts |
| 04:19:24 | aghaster | btw, i have no .rockbox/fonts dir |
| 04:19:26 | aghaster | is this normal? |
| 04:19:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 04:20:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you delete your old .rockbox dir, and then _not_ download the fonts zip when you reinstalled? |
| 04:20:29 | aghaster | you got what i did wrong. |
| 04:20:34 | aghaster | i exactly did that |
| 04:20:42 | aghaster | i didnt have to download a seperate fonts dir last time |
| 04:20:44 | aghaster | is this new? |
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| 04:23:25 | Falco98 | what's shaking everyone |
| 04:24:19 | aghaster | hi Falco98 |
| 04:24:21 | aghaster | how are you? |
| 04:26:07 | Falco98 | not bad, you? |
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| 04:29:12 | Falco98 | any firefox users in here with Verizon Wireless? |
| 04:29:19 | aghaster | i'm fine |
| 04:29:25 | aghaster | i've been building my first build. |
| 04:29:45 | Falco98 | oh, have you made changes? |
| 04:30:20 | aghaster | not yet |
| 04:30:28 | aghaster | except half-translating it to esperanto |
| 04:30:29 | aghaster | lol |
| 04:30:35 | aghaster | but i wanna mod it |
| 04:31:11 | aghaster | Falco98, I'd like to see the dejavu font added to rockbox |
| 04:31:31 | aghaster | i don't have the time to look at it tonight, because i'm going. but if you have time and would like to check that :P |
| 04:31:32 | Falco98 | what's that? |
| 04:31:50 | aghaster | a font that supports lots of foreign characters |
| 04:32:04 | aghaster | it would be very useful as the default font for rockbox |
| 04:32:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just use fontforge to convert it, no? |
| 04:32:47 | aghaster | i'll do that, i need to convert it to fnt? |
| 04:32:53 | aghaster | http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 04:33:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | To BDF |
| 04:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then use bdfconv to make it a fnt, if I recall |
| 04:33:29 | aghaster | the fonts folder i needed to add to my rockbox dir was loaded with .fnt files |
| 04:33:33 | aghaster | ok |
| 04:33:33 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: i thought you were to be known as 'llorean' in here from now on? |
| 04:34:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: My client automatically picks this name, and I"m too lazy to bother changing it. :-P |
| 04:35:03 | aghaster | Paul: In fontforge i select "generate fonts" and then what type should i choose? there are two boxes where i can choose types, and format |
| 04:37:04 | aghaster | in fact i dont really know how to use that software |
| 04:37:32 | Falco98 | paul: gotcha |
| 04:37:59 | Falco98 | BRB |
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| 04:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | aghaster: I've never used it, but I've been told it has an option to export to BDF, and that's the best way to generate fonts for Rockbox |
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| 04:41:03 | Falco98 | hm, finally back in a *real* irc client :-P |
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| 04:43:44 | Falco98 | anyone still awake then? |
| 04:44:06 | bk0 | aghaster: In fontforge, load the font then go to Edit->Select->Select All |
| 04:44:34 | bk0 | Then go to Elements->Bitmaps Available |
| 04:44:41 | bk0 | choose the point size, DPI, etc |
| 04:44:58 | bk0 | then go to File->Generate Fonts... and choose a BDF format |
| 04:45:14 | bk0 | save as BDF, then use convbdf in the rockbox source to convert to FNT format |
| 04:45:21 | sharpe | eh... i'm going to sleep. |
| 04:45:25 | sharpe | g'night peoples. |
| 04:45:25 | J32US | awake? its 10:45 pm where i live. |
| 04:45:38 | Falco98 | same |
| 04:48:11 | J32US | yeah im tired too. sleep is a good idea. peace |
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| 04:49:16 | * | Falco98 forgets what other channels the rockbox people have in freenode |
| 04:52:45 | sharpe | my nose has bled like, five times in the past week. |
| 04:55:57 | sharpe | okay |
| 04:56:00 | sharpe | sharpe sleep time. |
| 04:56:04 | sharpe | g'night everyone. |
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| 04:59:56 | Falco98 | JdGordon: u still around? |
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| 05:01:29 | Falco98 | Falco98: is cool |
| 05:01:32 | Falco98 | hmm |
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| 05:02:14 | Falco98 | Falco98: is bored |
| 05:02:22 | * | Falco98 looks around |
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| 05:04:34 | * | Falco98 is trying to figure out if lines directed to him can be highlighted in chatzilla |
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| 05:09:32 | Kratos | NickServ- IDENTIFY <Kratos> |
| 05:09:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good to know |
| 05:10:09 | Kratos | changed it now |
| 05:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Falco98: I believe they can. I think it used to at least, when I used it |
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| 05:11:21 | Falco98 | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah it just beeped at me |
| 05:11:44 | Falco98 | of course instead of marking your nick red or bolding the line, it just bolds your nick.. which isn't the most helpful thing ever... |
| 05:12:04 | Kratos | hmm, well I just tried it to see what it would do |
| 05:12:28 | Falco98 | tried what? |
| 05:12:40 | Kratos | nvm |
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| 05:15:59 | Drazzy | hello |
| 05:16:07 | Falco98 | yo |
| 05:16:10 | Kratos | hey |
| 05:16:38 | Drazzy | trying to get rockbox on my ipod color |
| 05:16:56 | Kratos | cool |
| 05:17:05 | Drazzy | reading the installation pdf on the site, im stuck at the part about inserting rockbox into the firmware |
| 05:17:16 | Drazzy | can anyone help out with that part? |
| 05:17:42 | Kratos | are you at teh part where you patch the firmware to create the bootloader? |
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| 05:18:18 | Drazzy | yesm thats the part |
| 05:18:23 | Drazzy | i dont understand what to do, honestly |
| 05:18:32 | Kratos | okay, I can help |
| 05:18:36 | Drazzy | thanks. |
| 05:18:43 | Kratos | you need do download a few key files |
| 05:18:51 | Drazzy | which are? |
| 05:18:51 | Kratos | first, let me find them |
| 05:18:54 | Drazzy | haha sure |
| 05:19:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drazzy: You're following the iPodInstallation page? |
| 05:19:26 | Kratos | have you seen this page? |
| 05:19:27 | Kratos | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 05:19:43 | Kratos | because you seem to be following a PDF |
| 05:19:52 | Kratos | and the wiki is far easier to understand |
| 05:19:58 | Drazzy | yeah, iw as on the manual that comes with the rockbox download |
| 05:20:01 | * | Falco98 nods |
| 05:20:01 | Drazzy | i didnt look at that site |
| 05:20:05 | Kratos | mmm |
| 05:20:07 | Drazzy | thanks alot for pointing me to the site |
| 05:20:12 | Drazzy | gives me all the programs i need |
| 05:20:14 | Kratos | mmkay |
| 05:20:20 | Kratos | take a good look at it |
| 05:20:20 | Drazzy | ill probably be good from here. thanks guys. |
| 05:20:28 | Kratos | kk |
| 05:21:26 | Kratos | hey, everyone I have a question too: |
| 05:21:26 | Kratos | I'm compiling rockbox, and I cant seem to find the bitmap where the boot-up logo is |
| 05:21:36 | Kratos | I'm on a iPod5g |
| 05:22:39 | JdGordon | Falco98: did u see hardeep fixed the bug :D |
| 05:22:47 | Falco98 | oh, the shuffle bug? |
| 05:22:51 | JdGordon | ye |
| 05:22:52 | Falco98 | no, where can i read about it? |
| 05:23:13 | JdGordon | its the most recent cvs commit |
| 05:23:25 | Drazzy | hmm, do i have to format my ipod before installing rockbox? |
| 05:23:34 | Falco98 | oh yeah, just saw it |
| 05:23:36 | JdGordon | only if u dont have a fat32 partition |
| 05:23:40 | Drazzy | um |
| 05:23:41 | Drazzy | :P |
| 05:23:45 | Drazzy | i dont know if i do |
| 05:23:50 | Falco98 | i wonder if it works 100% with our patch, jd? |
| 05:23:53 | Kratos | go to my computer |
| 05:23:55 | Drazzy | i always formatted using the apple software |
| 05:24:00 | Kratos | assuming that it is a winpod |
| 05:24:08 | Drazzy | its win |
| 05:24:08 | JdGordon | dunno... i would guess it would |
| 05:24:16 | Drazzy | i went properties on my ipod drive and it says fat32 |
| 05:24:27 | Kratos | right click on your iPod and go to the properties |
| 05:24:30 | Kratos | oh |
| 05:24:31 | Drazzy | yeah, i did. |
| 05:24:39 | Drazzy | 16.7gb used, 1.81gb free |
| 05:24:40 | Drazzy | fat32 |
| 05:25:18 | Drazzy | do i have to format it at all now? |
| 05:25:18 | JdGordon | so your good to go |
| 05:25:25 | Drazzy | i dont need to get rid of all my music? |
| 05:25:28 | JdGordon | nop |
| 05:25:36 | Drazzy | :O and rockbox will read all my current music? |
| 05:25:42 | Drazzy | i transfered it all using Anapod, not iTunes |
| 05:25:44 | JdGordon | yes, but u need to use tagcache |
| 05:25:53 | Drazzy | hm |
| 05:25:56 | Kratos | dont worry about that |
| 05:26:01 | Kratos | it's in the latest build |
| 05:26:03 | JdGordon | does anapod put it into dirs? or fucks it like itunes? |
| 05:26:10 | Drazzy | i have no idea, JdGordon |
| 05:26:27 | Falco98 | Drazzy: the easy way to find out is just look on the ipod's disk |
| 05:26:40 | Falco98 | if it's a recognizable file / dir structure you should be good |
| 05:26:43 | Kratos | he means, dies anapod irganice your music into folders for like artists/albums |
| 05:26:47 | Kratos | *does |
| 05:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I think it tried to do directories, but will crop names if they're over the limit. I could be wrong, as I haven't used it, just seen it discussed. |
| 05:29:40 | Falco98 | LOL |
| 05:29:42 | Falco98 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3198080720966379496 |
| 05:30:12 | Drazzy | uh oh |
| 05:30:14 | Drazzy | im having a problem |
| 05:30:23 | Drazzy | im on the part where im extracting the apple firmware at the moment |
| 05:30:40 | Drazzy | when i type ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin, it says that ipod_fw isnt a recognized command |
| 05:31:48 | Drazzy | any ideas, guys? |
| 05:32:42 | JdGordon | whve u got the ipod_fw program? |
| 05:33:09 | Drazzy | what? |
| 05:33:25 | Drazzy | the guide doesnt say to download a program called ipod_fw |
| 05:33:34 | Drazzy | oh yes it does |
| 05:33:36 | Drazzy | im an idiot. |
| 05:33:46 | Drazzy | can i close ipodpatcher now, or should i keep it open |
| 05:34:20 | Drazzy | nevemrind, figuredit uot |
| 05:36:50 | Drazzy | k one last question |
| 05:37:10 | Drazzy | im about to copy over the rockbock files to the ipod now.. do i just view the ipod in Explorer and drop .rockbox there? |
| 05:37:23 | JdGordon | yup |
| 05:37:29 | JdGordon | dont forget rockbox.ipod |
| 05:37:32 | Drazzy | yeah |
| 05:37:43 | Drazzy | k copying |
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| 05:38:20 | Drazzy | k so.. if i want to go back to the original apple software.. im sure thats just as easy right |
| 05:38:54 | JdGordon | some1 else will be able to tell u.. but i think pressing a button (dunno which) starts the oriiongal firwmare |
| 05:39:01 | JdGordon | so u can "dual boot" |
| 05:40:03 | Drazzy | okay cool |
| 05:40:06 | Drazzy | now... im in rockbox |
| 05:40:10 | Drazzy | i dont see any of my music |
| 05:40:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Holding Menu while it boots, yes. |
| 05:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drazzy: iTunes hides the music. You can either copy it over in disk mode, or use TagCache to search for and index your music by Tag. Either method works |
| 05:40:52 | Drazzy | how do i do the tagcache method |
| 05:41:27 | Drazzy | ah found a guide online for it |
| 05:41:31 | JdGordon | menu > settings > file > force tagcache update |
| 05:41:37 | Drazzy | how much space am i going to need on the ipod for this? |
| 05:41:45 | JdGordon | 2mb.. |
| 05:41:53 | Drazzy | ok :) |
| 05:42:09 | Drazzy | hope it doesnt take TOO long |
| 05:42:34 | JdGordon | for this? <- rockbox or tagcache? |
| 05:42:45 | Drazzy | tagcache. |
| 05:42:51 | Drazzy | i did the force tag cache update |
| 05:42:53 | Drazzy | but i dont know if its done or not |
| 05:42:57 | JdGordon | oh, dunno... not much space.. |
| 05:43:00 | JdGordon | it will take a while |
| 05:43:15 | Drazzy | fuck i think it froze.. |
| 05:43:24 | Drazzy | i cant use the scroll wheel right now and the backlight is stuck on |
| 05:43:34 | JdGordon | u can se its progres in the menu > info > debug > tagcache |
| 05:43:56 | Drazzy | what should i do now> |
| 05:44:48 | JdGordon | wiat... or reset.. |
| 05:45:07 | Drazzy | haha holy crap |
| 05:45:13 | Drazzy | progress: -`% |
| 05:45:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The progress isn't reliable on iPod |
| 05:45:25 | Drazzy | -1%** |
| 05:45:30 | Drazzy | wtf, it froze again. |
| 05:45:46 | Drazzy | harddrive stopped seeking, like i cant hear it anymore |
| 05:45:51 | Drazzy | and backlight is stuck on too |
| 05:45:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:46:39 | Drazzy | something tells me tagcache isnt working.. |
| 05:47:03 | * | JdGordon cant help.. tc works fine here but i dont have an opid... |
| 05:47:07 | JdGordon | hehe opid :D |
| 05:47:29 | Drazzy | =/ |
| 05:47:38 | Drazzy | yeah so i pretty much dont know what to do from here,. |
| 05:48:27 | Drazzy | should i just.. leave it on like this for a bit? or restart and try again? |
| 05:48:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | TagCache has had issues with files that have embedded album art in the past, though I don't know if that's whta this is. |
| 05:48:37 | Drazzy | oh shit |
| 05:48:43 | Drazzy | alot of my mp3s have embedded album art. |
| 05:49:41 | Drazzy | ugh, so i pretty much have to wipe my ipod clean and start over i take it? |
| 05:50:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would you have to wipe your iPod? |
| 05:50:45 | Drazzy | tag cache seems to hate my mp3s that are on there |
| 05:50:57 | Drazzy | so i figured id have to wipe it and put them in manually once rockbox was on there. |
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| 05:51:40 | * | JdGordon thinks that needs to be fixed.. its not a TC bug but the metadata reader bug.. |
| 05:52:19 | JdGordon | anyway, if u dont plan on using appple os to listen to music then jutst copy all your music back on in explorer and your good to go |
| 05:52:20 | Drazzy | k so what options do i have at this point in time |
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| 05:52:41 | Drazzy | i want the apple os on there still, though |
| 05:52:53 | JdGordon | u said 5g ye? |
| 05:52:56 | Drazzy | no |
| 05:52:57 | Drazzy | 4g color |
| 05:53:06 | JdGordon | does that play videos? |
| 05:53:08 | Drazzy | nosir |
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| 05:53:23 | JdGordon | so just bugger appleOS, copy all your music back and never load it again |
| 05:53:34 | Drazzy | i WANT appleos |
| 05:53:50 | Drazzy | i want both to be present on my ipod |
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| 05:54:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you want to use Apple OS for? |
| 05:54:24 | Drazzy | incase i dont want to use rockbox |
| 05:55:10 | Drazzy | im going to test something |
| 05:55:20 | Drazzy | where do i put my music if i want to load it in rockbox? what directory |
| 05:55:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anywhere |
| 05:55:51 | Drazzy | in the .rockbox dir? |
| 05:55:56 | Drazzy | or base dir of my ipod |
| 05:56:15 | JdGordon | base |
| 05:56:34 | Drazzy | k |
| 05:57:07 | JdGordon | it doesnt really matter... but u shouldnt put it in .rockbox coz u can hide that folder.. |
| 05:57:55 | Drazzy | how do i apply .patch files for themes? |
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| 05:58:08 | JdGordon | .patch for themese?? |
| 05:58:12 | Drazzy | im guessing i put them in J:\.rockbox\themes |
| 05:58:12 | JdGordon | themes are .cfg |
| 05:58:16 | JdGordon | what patch have u found? |
| 05:58:26 | Drazzy | Scroll Margins by Ben Basha: Get the latest patch from here |
| 05:58:35 | Drazzy | there are a bunch of patches for a certain theme i want to use |
| 05:58:39 | Drazzy | and they are all .patch files |
| 05:59:00 | JdGordon | u need to setup a dev setup so u can compile it.. |
| 05:59:05 | Drazzy | oh |
| 05:59:06 | Drazzy | FUCK |
| 05:59:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now that's unnecessary |
| 05:59:37 | Drazzy | sorry. |
| 05:59:49 | Drazzy | what does setting up a dev mean |
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| 06:00:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Development Environment. Either be running Linux, or set up Cygwin, VMWare or colinux so that you can compile your own builds. |
| 06:00:19 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 06:01:10 | Drazzy | crap |
| 06:01:18 | Drazzy | seems like ALOT of work for this |
| 06:01:19 | Drazzy | heh |
| 06:01:38 | JdGordon | yup |
| 06:02:05 | JdGordon | i tihnk there is a thread on the forums with precompi;ed versions with those comon patches |
| 06:02:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember that Rockbox on iPod has not been released yet. |
| 06:02:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should come into this with the expectations of being a tester, not a user. |
| 06:03:26 | Falco98 | night all |
| 06:03:27 | Drazzy | yeah i know |
| 06:03:28 | Drazzy | night dude |
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| 06:06:37 | Drazzy | yay, i got themes working |
| 06:07:03 | Drazzy | only thing to get working is tagcache |
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| 06:12:23 | Drazzy | haha wow this is cool!!!! |
| 06:12:28 | Drazzy | it looks so pretty :> |
| 06:12:39 | JdGordon | are u on drugs?? |
| 06:12:45 | JdGordon | its ugly as fuck :p |
| 06:12:50 | Drazzy | not with my skin it isnt |
| 06:12:51 | JdGordon | unless u got a ncie wps goin! |
| 06:12:55 | JdGordon | which u got? |
| 06:13:11 | Drazzy | jBlackGlass for iPod Photo/Color |
| 06:14:28 | * | JdGordon kicks but :D fixed a bug :D |
| 06:14:51 | JdGordon | now i have to find the danm bug report in fs :'( |
| 06:15:31 | Drazzy | nice |
| 06:15:38 | Drazzy | im still screwin' with tagcache, bro |
| 06:17:15 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: any idea who is the main person behind the tree browser code? |
| 06:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: No clue. Sorry. I mean, other than Slasheri, I think I've seen Hardeep make a few changes to it, but I don't know if they were easy, or required more knowledge, or if I'm even remembering right. |
| 06:19:01 | JdGordon | heeh ok... just wondering who to point my bug fix to.. (its actually a bug fix so it should go in b4 3.0) |
| 06:19:01 | safetydan | You can always look at the CVS history to see who's done what to it. |
| 06:19:26 | JdGordon | thats using your nogin :p spose i could do that |
| 06:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Huh. I haven't seen you around in a while... |
| 06:19:46 | safetydan | zagor was the original committer |
| 06:19:57 | safetydan | Paul_The_Nerd, that's because I haven't been around :) |
| 06:20:08 | safetydan | Moving countries makes it hard to stay connected to the various internets |
| 06:20:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaaaah |
| 06:20:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, constant motion through countries, or one long process from one to another? |
| 06:20:43 | JdGordon | 400 changes.. bits of everyone.. |
| 06:20:55 | safetydan | Like returning home (i.e. Australia) after two years living in the UK |
| 06:21:02 | JdGordon | congrats :D |
| 06:21:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 06:21:12 | JdGordon | cept u picked a bad time.. its too damn cold atm |
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| 06:21:32 | safetydan | warm enough if you've acclimitised to UK weather :) |
| 06:21:49 | JdGordon | where abouts in oz? |
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| 06:22:25 | safetydan | Brisvegas |
| 06:22:35 | JdGordon | oh well... no1 is perfect :D |
| 06:23:28 | * | JdGordon bbl |
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| 07:18:51 | daurn|laptop | hello? |
| 07:19:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes? |
| 07:23:09 | daurn|laptop | hey |
| 07:23:18 | daurn|laptop | whats the smallest device with rockbx support? |
| 07:24:03 | B4gder | ondio and nano I guess |
| 07:25:00 | daurn|laptop | ondio? |
| 07:25:06 | B4gder | Archos ondio |
| 07:25:10 | B4gder | a flash player |
| 07:25:38 | daurn|laptop | link |
| 07:25:39 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 07:26:07 | daurn|laptop | hm |
| 07:26:08 | daurn|laptop | oh |
| 07:26:11 | daurn|laptop | looks ugly |
| 07:26:11 | daurn|laptop | : |
| 07:26:12 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 07:26:22 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 07:26:43 | B4gder | the nano is way lighter it seems |
| 07:27:53 | daurn|laptop | grr |
| 07:27:57 | daurn|laptop | i don't like apple |
| 07:28:20 | B4gder | then join the work on the ifp-799 port for the iriver flash players ;-) |
| 07:28:59 | daurn|laptop | i'm actually looking to buy the smallest mp3player i can find |
| 07:29:03 | daurn|laptop | (for a good price) |
| 07:29:14 | daurn|laptop | and thought i might check with good 'ol rockbox |
| 07:29:14 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:29:29 | B4gder | that's probably one of those USB stick/memorycard combos |
| 07:30:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nah |
| 07:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the MobiBlu Cube |
| 07:30:08 | daurn|laptop | smallest seems to be eg, mobiblu |
| 07:30:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very small |
| 07:30:12 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:30:19 | BHSPitLappy | the nano is weirdly small |
| 07:30:20 | B4gder | heh |
| 07:30:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's one smaller, but it actually has larger dimensions in two of them, it's just thinner |
| 07:30:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | So less volume |
| 07:30:28 | daurn|laptop | but mobiblu supposedly has HORRIBLE battery life |
| 07:30:29 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:30:43 | BHSPitLappy | is that the little cube Phillips makes? |
| 07:30:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iFP-799 isn't terribly small (not big either) but it's much more sturdy feeling than the Nano, and all around quite nice |
| 07:31:29 | daurn|laptop | iriver? |
| 07:31:47 | daurn|laptop | wow |
| 07:31:48 | daurn|laptop | expensive |
| 07:32:10 | BHSPitLappy | I liked my nano |
| 07:32:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I got mine for $132 with free Sennheiser PX-100s, and a free waterproof case. |
| 07:32:32 | daurn|laptop | wow |
| 07:32:42 | B4gder | go with sansa! ;-) |
| 07:32:43 | daurn|laptop | prices i'm seeing on a quick google are $250 |
| 07:32:47 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 07:33:42 | JdGordon | morning B4gder |
| 07:33:50 | JdGordon | ive got a real bug fix for you :D |
| 07:33:58 | * | B4gder hides |
| 07:33:59 | BHSPitLappy | what's the deal with 3.0 |
| 07:34:05 | BHSPitLappy | what happened to the 29th |
| 07:34:11 | B4gder | JdGordon: gimme |
| 07:34:19 | BHSPitLappy | (just curious, not being pushy) |
| 07:34:44 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5466 |
| 07:35:06 | B4gder | why is that for me? |
| 07:35:32 | B4gder | I've never even seen tag cache run |
| 07:35:42 | JdGordon | umm... coz u were complaing on the ml no1 is patching bugs :p |
| 07:35:49 | B4gder | no |
| 07:35:53 | B4gder | I was stating facts |
| 07:36:11 | JdGordon | i know... also i didnt know who to bring that to attentions.. |
| 07:36:15 | safetydan | I'm trying! :) |
| 07:36:24 | daurn|laptop | any1 know about the arcos gmini xs202 |
| 07:36:25 | daurn|laptop | http://archos.com/products/music/gmini_xs_202S/tech_specs.html?country=global&lang=en |
| 07:36:27 | JdGordon | try that again.. i dont know whos attention to bring that to |
| 07:36:29 | daurn|laptop | it looks ok |
| 07:36:33 | daurn|laptop | but - its 20gb |
| 07:36:33 | daurn|laptop | lol |
| 07:36:40 | daurn|laptop | i wanted, like, 1gb |
| 07:36:40 | daurn|laptop | :S |
| 07:36:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I want one of those Sansa players. If they give me a 6gb one for free, I won't even complain when they dump tech support duties on our forums. |
| 07:36:53 | B4gder | the gmini is 1.8" disk based |
| 07:36:54 | daurn|laptop | i can always cope with extra storage though |
| 07:37:09 | daurn|laptop | B4gder: for that one, impossible |
| 07:37:15 | daurn|laptop | its only 1.7" big |
| 07:37:18 | JdGordon | tghat gmini looks niice |
| 07:37:28 | daurn|laptop | wait |
| 07:37:31 | daurn|laptop | its 2.9" |
| 07:37:33 | daurn|laptop | sorry |
| 07:37:33 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:38:58 | daurn|laptop | worst thing bout archos is the lack of scrolling mechanisms |
| 07:39:19 | B4gder | no |
| 07:39:21 | daurn|laptop | i currently have a gmini 402, and you gotta hold the down button for a fair while |
| 07:39:23 | B4gder | its the lack of Rockbox ;-) |
| 07:39:32 | daurn|laptop | B4gder: port it then |
| 07:39:41 | B4gder | YOU have the archos |
| 07:39:51 | B4gder | I ported to Archos already |
| 07:39:56 | daurn|laptop | I'M porting mediOS |
| 07:40:50 | amiconn | morning |
| 07:41:10 | daurn|laptop | doom is kickass on gmini 40* |
| 07:41:11 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 07:42:33 | safetydan | rararar.... viewer.c is some funky code to try and follow |
| 07:43:41 | dwihno | then you haven't checked the menu code ); |
| 07:43:42 | dwihno | ;) |
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| 07:50:31 | safetydan | one thing at a time |
| 07:51:17 | dwihno | yeah |
| 07:52:38 | dwihno | On a second though, instead of complaining, one should get the hands dirty and cleanup the code |
| 07:53:23 | amiconn | The viewer code needs to be a bint funky... it needs to be able to deal with texts larger than the remaining plugin buffer |
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| 07:56:11 | safetydan | yeah I understand why the complexity is there... doesn't make it any easier to follow though |
| 07:56:29 | safetydan | definitely something weird going on when you set it to wide mode with a file with long (>200 char) lines |
| 07:56:56 | dwihno | voodoo code! \o/ |
| 07:56:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: It seems the tagcache commit bug is completely fixed. Tried it on H140, H340 and iPod mini g2. Thanks :) |
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| 07:57:58 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, that sounds great :) |
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| 08:33:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: It's till working fine on archos as well. The only major feature still missing is to remove deleted tracks from the database. |
| 08:34:00 | amiconn | (and the alphabetical sorting is wrong for german umlauts, but that's not a tagcache problem) |
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| 08:36:36 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i am working with implementing the file removal. The simpler way of first just marking all deleted entries wouldn't be hard to do. But to remove the entries from the db for real requires temporary file to be built from the db and then the db should be committed from scratch against that file (should be still faster than rebuilding db from scratch) |
| 08:39:36 | amiconn | I think just marking the deleted files should be sufficient. Maybe one could force a cleanup from time to time |
| 08:40:14 | Slasheri | yes, that sounds good |
| 08:41:11 | amiconn | (or maybe force a rebuild if more than x percent free space) |
| 08:43:04 | Slasheri | hmm, yep. or just if we have for example more than 15% of deleted files from all files in db, then force a rebuild |
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| 08:43:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or how 'bout make the "Force TagCache update" do both proper removal and use marking for the automated updates? |
| 08:45:27 | amiconn | That would probably make an update on archos significantly slower |
| 08:45:34 | Slasheri | that proper deleting would be still quite battery hungry at least if we do it every time one file has been removed |
| 08:45:46 | amiconn | ..or for anyone who is using tagcache without dircache |
| 08:46:09 | Slasheri | yep |
| 08:46:25 | Slasheri | even without dircache searching for the new and deleted files will be much slower |
| 08:48:01 | Slasheri | or one possibility would be even to enable dircache for archos with a special mode to index only supported files just before starting tagcache update |
| 08:48:14 | Slasheri | but that would still eat more ram from the code space.. |
| 08:48:37 | Slasheri | and then it couldn't be done on background |
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| 09:04:17 | * | amiconn still didn't try dircache on archos |
| 09:05:24 | hardeep | that's not the proper fix |
| 09:05:35 | hardeep | ooops, please ignore |
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| 09:16:01 | amiconn | Slasheri: Tagcache adds about 8KB to the archos recorder binary size. Main buffer size is decreased by 48KB (dircache still disabled). Building the dircache takes ~16 seconds on my recorder (4774 files, 393 dirs). The dircache itself takes 402KB. It seems to be working fine. |
| 09:18:53 | amiconn | Not really desirable on standard archos, but if someone has done the 8MB mod, and is browsing a lot, he could enable dircache in his personal build |
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| 09:20:44 | petur | amiconn: would recording from s/pdif require more cpu than from analog in? |
| 09:20:57 | amiconn | The interesting thing is that building the dircache is quite fast even on archos |
| 09:21:13 | amiconn | petur: Nope, but it requires a tiny bit more battery power |
| 09:21:23 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4534.0 |
| 09:21:26 | amiconn | We need to power the spdif circuit |
| 09:21:58 | petur | unboosted recording wasn't ok. I do need to test line-in recording with a pure sine to check for glitches |
| 09:22:07 | petur | only tested with an audio track |
| 09:26:06 | amiconn | Since he tested with a sine, maybe it's not a glitch caused by the boost/unboost, but something completely different I was hunting on archos for several weeks before the 2.5 release? |
| 09:26:59 | petur | I'm sure it's not the boost/unboost since he had the glitches at the beginning. I only boost/unboost when writing wav to disk |
| 09:27:23 | petur | I just asked him to test to be 100% sure |
| 09:27:44 | amiconn | If the recording is about to save, and the file write needs to *search* for the next free cluster because the fsinfo block was invalid, the search took very long due to other things eating too much cpu power, so the buffer wrapped meanwhile and the beginning of the recording was completely garbled |
| 09:27:50 | petur | btw, did you see the post about the remote adding noise when recording? |
| 09:27:59 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, interesting. it should be fast, because it uses fat_ functions directly to do the recursion |
| 09:28:51 | amiconn | This was very hard to find until I enabled mp3 frame numbering in the mas. Then I could see that the garbage at the beginning had higher block numbers than the following part... |
| 09:29:44 | petur | sooo... lower the watermarklevel a bit... a bit more frequent saves, more batt power :) |
| 09:29:50 | amiconn | petur: Nope. I don't look at the forums too closely these days. Too much noise for me |
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| 09:30:42 | petur | reply 6 on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3723.0 |
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| 09:30:56 | amiconn | The question is whether this may be the case here. Iirc the pcm recording stops when it's about to wrap, so it won't overwrite unsaved data |
| 09:31:21 | amiconn | But of course this will still cause a glitch, because then a part of the recording is missing |
| 09:31:26 | petur | and recording stops if buffer wraparound is detected |
| 09:31:32 | amiconn | yeps |
| 09:31:38 | petur | hmmmm |
| 09:31:45 | amiconn | Hmm, you mean the whole recording stops? |
| 09:31:49 | petur | I do need to test line-in with a sine too |
| 09:31:56 | amiconn | I thought it only pauses until save |
| 09:32:12 | petur | must check the code but I think it kills dma |
| 09:32:19 | amiconn | A good test method would probably be to record a slow sine sweep |
| 09:32:30 | petur | yeah |
| 09:32:31 | whatboutbob | petur: yeah...they're audible glitches. |
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| 09:32:44 | petur | ah, here's our tester ;) |
| 09:33:19 | whatboutbob | i initially tested an audio file (ray lamontagne...check him out if you're into folky stuff)...and they were noticeable in that so i figured i'd get some metrics...hence the sine wave. |
| 09:34:15 | petur | amiconn: dma overrun stops recording |
| 09:34:29 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 09:34:32 | petur | too bad viewcvs has no line numbering |
| 09:34:37 | whatboutbob | petur: i haven't tried analog recording since applying your patch...should i? |
| 09:34:44 | petur | maybe |
| 09:34:50 | amiconn | petur: Click 'annotate' instead of 'view' |
| 09:35:06 | petur | WOW! |
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| 09:35:13 | petur | didn't know that function |
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| 09:35:48 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/pcm_record.c?annotate=1.26 line 674 |
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| 09:41:40 | amiconn | Hmm, mabye the cpu frequency change causes a short spdif receive error? I hope it doesn't.... |
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| 09:44:43 | preglow | doesn't sound too likely |
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| 09:52:03 | whatboutbob | hrmmm... |
| 09:52:45 | whatboutbob | analog recording is showing me some glitches on the sine wave too. |
| 09:52:57 | petur | eow |
| 09:53:53 | petur | can you do a build without the boost/unboost (see forum post)? |
| 09:54:16 | whatboutbob | Just ran one 3 min recording then four 15 second recordings. The first 3 had glitches...on the first one it *may* have been me changing the volume (not the gain) |
| 09:54:49 | whatboutbob | yeah...lemme just run a couple more tests to rule out volume change and pre-patch bug. |
| 09:55:07 | petur | *bonk* |
| 09:55:25 | * | petur gets hit by payed work (tm) |
| 09:56:00 | amiconn | Changing the volume shouldn't cause glitches :/ |
| 09:57:09 | whatboutbob | at least one of the spdif glitches coincided with a brief red lcd flash (presumably buffer write?) |
| 09:57:17 | whatboutbob | at about the 5 second mark. |
| 09:57:51 | whatboutbob | preglow: the peakmeter flickers slightly upon volume change. |
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| 10:00:06 | whatboutbob | oops...meant to direct that at amiconn.... |
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| 10:07:25 | whatboutbob | crimminy. the last few 3 test recordings were completely knackered. some kind of weird pulse...with or w/o volume change. making petur's suggested change now. |
| 10:09:00 | preglow | i haven't tried any boost recording stuff at all |
| 10:09:09 | preglow | but we'll surely need it for the recording codecs change |
| 10:11:08 | whatboutbob | bah...firefox is spitting the dummy on me. brb. |
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| 10:16:42 | whatboutbob | petur: i'm not sure which 2 lines you want me to comment out... |
| 10:17:18 | petur | in firmware/pcm_record.c there are two lines that do cpu_boost |
| 10:18:06 | * | whatboutbob shows his ignorance... |
| 10:18:19 | * | petur opens viewcvs |
| 10:18:19 | whatboutbob | does the code come before or after the comments? |
| 10:18:23 | whatboutbob | static volatile int write_index; ? |
| 10:18:32 | whatboutbob | and static volatile int read_index;? |
| 10:18:40 | petur | nope |
| 10:18:45 | petur | wait |
| 10:18:50 | daurn|laptop | deos aynone konw aubot a new prot of rookbcx to a fslah baesd mp3 pyaler? |
| 10:19:06 | JdGordon | static volatile.. arnt they mutually exclusive? |
| 10:19:18 | whatboutbob | static unsigned int rec_buffer_offset;? |
| 10:19:30 | * | whatboutbob clearly has no idea what he's doin'... |
| 10:19:36 | petur | somewhere around line 556 |
| 10:19:37 | daurn|laptop | anynone? |
| 10:19:39 | B4gder | daurn|laptop: we mentioned a few before, what more do you want? |
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| 10:19:52 | daurn|laptop | you mentioned ones with rockbox already on them |
| 10:19:58 | B4gder | not only |
| 10:20:02 | daurn|laptop | now i'm asking about any that people have talked about |
| 10:20:02 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 10:20:07 | B4gder | ifp-799 and sansa |
| 10:20:13 | B4gder | as well |
| 10:20:18 | daurn|laptop | ok |
| 10:20:22 | daurn|laptop | ^_^_ |
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| 10:20:30 | B4gder | not that sansa actually is a port going |
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| 10:20:58 | petur | whatboutbob: my patch added two lines in that file (firmware/pcm_record.c): cpu_boost(true) and cpu_boost(false) |
| 10:21:34 | petur | whatboutbob: line 556 and 573 (+/-) |
| 10:22:08 | petur | whatboutbob: put /* */ around them |
| 10:22:11 | B4gder | daurn|laptop: and people talk about lots of stuff |
| 10:22:18 | B4gder | very few actually DO something though |
| 10:22:39 | B4gder | a rockbox port to a new target is not easily done |
| 10:26:10 | daurn|laptop | :( |
| 10:26:24 | daurn|laptop | probably a lack of coders |
| 10:26:24 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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| 10:29:33 | whatboutbob | petur: ah...i thought i was going crazy...the patch patches apps\recorder\recording.c |
| 10:30:03 | preglow | amiconn: libmad crashes in the sim again for me now |
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| 10:31:01 | petur | whatboutbob: WOOPS - I didn't update the patch :( |
| 10:31:28 | petur | whatboutbob: so there's no boost/unboost happening *at all* during recording |
| 10:31:33 | petur | sigh |
| 10:32:04 | whatboutbob | hehe...oops... |
| 10:32:30 | whatboutbob | i'll just reverse that out then shall i? :-) |
| 10:33:08 | petur | whatboutbob: that should give you back the normal cvs version... |
| 10:33:21 | preglow | lostlogic: but yeah, how should dsp_input_size/dsp_output_size work? always give an accurate or larger value than needed? |
| 10:34:06 | whatboutbob | petur: done. lemme know when the new patch is ready. :) |
| 10:34:34 | whatboutbob | ...unless there's more testing you want me to do on that patch? |
| 10:34:52 | petur | whatboutbob: I'm @work now, please wait 9 hours ;) |
| 10:35:28 | whatboutbob | petur: hehe..then I'm off to work. Will test tomorrow night and stop harrassing you for now. |
| 10:35:52 | petur | heh, thanks for testing |
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| 10:55:23 | Paprica | \http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/rockbox-on-the-sandisk-sansa-e200-series.php |
| 10:55:26 | Paprica | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/rockbox-on-the-sandisk-sansa-e200-series.php |
| 10:55:27 | Paprica | @@ |
| 10:57:51 | B4gder | oh |
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| 11:13:04 | preglow | w0t |
| 11:18:43 | * | petur hands preglow another '0' |
| 11:28:51 | daurn|laptop | cool |
| 11:28:55 | daurn|laptop | maybe i'kk get a sansa |
| 11:28:59 | daurn|laptop | if that goes through |
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| 11:31:24 | preglow | playback.c is not for me |
| 11:31:26 | preglow | ugh |
| 11:31:56 | JdGordon | umm... crap.. i tinhk i just stumbled on another playback bug.. dunno if its reported yet.. |
| 11:32:48 | JdGordon | did "insert next" on a track towards the end of the current on.. anyway, it finished the song and started playing the preveious next track.. but if i go playlist viewer it thinks its playing the track i asked for next.. |
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| 11:48:24 | JdGordon | trackcount : 3 in the audio debug means the current track is fully in the buffer? |
| 11:49:49 | JdGordon | grr... bloody hell |
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| 11:51:05 | jd_ | hi |
| 11:52:40 | petur | ho |
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| 12:29:11 | preglow | linuxstb: did you find some clue as to why long seeks fail? |
| 12:30:03 | LinusN | do they? |
| 12:30:29 | preglow | well, long (outside current buffer) flac seeks fail and he said it applied to all codecs |
| 12:30:40 | preglow | nasty bug |
| 12:31:59 | preglow | lostlogic: any reason why codec_pcmbuf_insert_split_callback doesn't just wait with calling dsp_process until it has room for the entire chunk to fit in the pcmbuf? |
| 12:33:53 | LinusN | maybe it's a latency thing? |
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| 12:34:36 | preglow | sounds dubious, unless i'm mistaken, there's always room for the whole chunk unless we're at the top end of the pcm buffer |
| 12:34:49 | Moos | Hello from Tunisia guys |
| 12:34:52 | preglow | so it'll trigger rarely, but when it does, it splits the chunk all over the place |
| 12:35:22 | Moos | wow, freeze was extended? |
| 12:35:44 | preglow | Moos: it'll probably be extended a while more |
| 12:35:52 | preglow | no point in a release if it isn't good |
| 12:36:07 | Moos | still h3xx planing? |
| 12:36:13 | Moos | planed even |
| 12:36:20 | preglow | i doubt it |
| 12:36:28 | preglow | probably h1x0 only |
| 12:36:42 | Moos | that make sense |
| 12:36:46 | preglow | indeed |
| 12:37:06 | preglow | yeah, it did occur to me too |
| 12:37:17 | preglow | hardware bugs aren't to be trifled with |
| 12:38:07 | preglow | LinusN: anyway, if i'm right, it'll just waste cpu for those codecs that keep the buffer filled, since several smaller dsp_process passes will be slower (not by, though...) than one big dsp_process pass |
| 12:38:22 | preglow | eh, "not by much, though" |
| 12:39:00 | linuxstb | preglow: lowlight suggested a fix for it last night - I've tested it and it seems to work, but given my complete lack of understanding of playback.c, I'm hesitating about committing it. |
| 12:39:48 | LinusN | is there a patch somewhere? |
| 12:41:02 | linuxstb | No, but I'll do it now and add it to the bug report. |
| 12:41:14 | linuxstb | (assuming you were talking to me...) |
| 12:41:31 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds great |
| 12:42:23 | preglow | i've been thinking of trying to dive a bit into the playback system |
| 12:42:34 | preglow | having just one dev that understands it isn't very healthy |
| 12:42:59 | LinusN | i'm also working myself into it |
| 12:43:24 | preglow | struggling a bit with time these days, though, but looks like i'll have some time coming up now |
| 12:44:26 | LinusN | lostlogic did a great job with the playback, but when i look at it, i still get the feeling that it shouldn't really be that complicated... |
| 12:44:34 | linuxstb | Patch added: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5305 |
| 12:45:20 | preglow | i've got a bunch of long files |
| 12:45:23 | preglow | i'll give it a test |
| 12:45:36 | linuxstb | Do they all fail with the current CVS? |
| 12:46:04 | preglow | good point, i'll try that first :) |
| 12:51:35 | preglow | wavpack files seem to work well |
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| 12:53:08 | preglow | and mp3s... |
| 12:57:50 | preglow | this bugger just crashed on me when i inserted usb |
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| 13:00:12 | preglow | oggs work too, only flacs break here |
| 13:01:02 | preglow | then why's the patch in playback.c? |
| 13:01:45 | * | amiconn agrees 100% with LinusN |
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| 13:01:52 | amiconn | (regarding the playback complexity) |
| 13:02:55 | preglow | amiconn: weren't you the one saying playback engines are complex? |
| 13:03:02 | preglow | flac seeking is fixed with the patch |
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| 13:07:40 | preglow | linuxstb: in what ways does flac seeking differ from other codecs? |
| 13:10:39 | amiconn | preglow: They are... but they shouldn't |
| 13:11:56 | preglow | on what basis do you say that? |
| 13:11:59 | preglow | some things just are plain complex |
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| 13:40:15 | JdGordon | to try debugging playback issues would it be a good idea to have an option for the playback engine to write everything it does to a log file so if somethign wierd does happen there is a chance it can be traced? |
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| 13:40:30 | JdGordon | because i had the wrong track play before but after 3 tries couldnt reproduce it.. |
| 13:41:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: logf() |
| 13:42:11 | JdGordon | it does it already? |
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| 13:42:19 | JdGordon | or u have to do the special debug build? |
| 13:42:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: only with logf-enabled buiöds |
| 13:42:29 | LinusN | builds |
| 13:43:11 | JdGordon | maybe it might be good to set the cvs builds to that untill the playback issues are fixed? assuming it would give enough info to actually make tracing the pugs possible? |
| 13:43:54 | LinusN | i can't tell if the "quality" of the logging info is good enough |
| 13:44:26 | LinusN | JdGordon: the "problem" with logf() is that it captures the remote lcd for output |
| 13:44:36 | LinusN | so you can't use the remote |
| 13:44:48 | JdGordon | is it useable without the remote? |
| 13:44:55 | LinusN | of course |
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| 13:45:10 | JdGordon | why does it capture the remote lcd? |
| 13:45:24 | zigford | So, I guess its not called mayday nemore? |
| 13:45:30 | LinusN | "capture" == output log info to the lcd |
| 13:45:42 | LinusN | zigford: unfortunately not |
| 13:45:49 | LinusN | more like "someday" |
| 13:45:57 | zigford | lol. thats good. |
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| 13:46:18 | JdGordon | does DEBUGF() do anthign with regular builds? |
| 13:46:19 | B4gder | may-beto-day |
| 13:46:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: no |
| 13:46:42 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm not sure what FLAC does which is special. The seeking code simply looks in the seektable for the byte in the file to seek to, seeks to it, and then continues decoding frames. |
| 13:46:56 | LinusN | i think we should enable logf() without the remote lcd in the cvs builds |
| 13:46:56 | linuxstb | (the seektable is in RAM already) |
| 13:46:57 | JdGordon | what about changing that to write to a file on regular builds if the option is set? |
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| 13:47:18 | JdGordon | except it would make heaps of disk writes.. |
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| 13:47:31 | JdGordon | but it would be worth it if it gave enough info to fix things |
| 13:47:32 | LinusN | yes, i'd rather keep it in memory |
| 13:48:09 | preglow | LinusN: doesn't sound like a bad idea |
| 13:48:14 | LinusN | me fix |
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| 13:48:31 | JdGordon | bit uselss in RAM unless u dump it fairly frequently... specially if its a freeze your trying to debug :D |
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| 13:49:05 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:49:43 | preglow | good point, perhaps some logf dump thread is required? :) |
| 13:49:52 | nls_web | can anyone close this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5461 I commited it but don't have permission to close... |
| 13:50:08 | B4gder | nls_web: what your tracker user name? |
| 13:50:13 | nls_web | nls |
| 13:50:15 | preglow | nls_web: i closed it fifteen minutes ago |
| 13:50:16 | JdGordon | and if we're gonna do this.. how bout going the whole hog.... add debug levels so only show output of levels lower than X ? |
| 13:50:25 | nls_web | preglow: oh |
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| 13:50:52 | B4gder | nls_web: you now having more tracker powers, for next time |
| 13:51:03 | nls_web | nice, thanks |
| 13:51:14 | nls_web | So is the new release date set? |
| 13:51:39 | JdGordon | or, actually might be better to give each part of rb a number so u can choose o show debug from swcodec, or from plugins, or tagcache etc? |
| 13:51:44 | LinusN | nls_web: not really |
| 13:51:56 | JdGordon | shuold i shut up and finish this prac exam and get to work? |
| 13:52:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:52:42 | LinusN | maybe it's time to transform logf() into a fully fledged log |
| 13:52:56 | JdGordon | thats what im suggesting.. |
| 13:53:02 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:53:34 | B4gder | still having it not touch a file is useful at times too |
| 13:53:53 | B4gder | like when logging a lot or when logging in context you don't can or want file access |
| 13:53:54 | JdGordon | well you would only have it enabled if u actually wanted it to debug.. |
| 13:54:05 | LinusN | btw, the exception handler could then display the latest entries in the log below the "illinstr:xxx" info |
| 13:54:24 | Slasheri | hmm, i already started to look implementation of "syslog" or something like that which includes the loglevel as first parameter |
| 13:54:36 | JdGordon | maybe things like use the plugin buffer as its temp buffer and dump to disk every 5min or so or when a plugin is loaded? |
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| 13:54:59 | LinusN | i'd rather have a dedicated log buffer |
| 13:55:00 | Slasheri | for example syslog(LOG_DEBUG, "..."), LOG_ERROR etc. |
| 13:55:20 | Slasheri | then it could also show errors directly to user |
| 13:56:03 | JdGordon | dedicated buffer isnt so good coz then u have wasted ram if its not used (which i would think it wouldnt for 80% of users..) |
| 13:56:31 | Slasheri | JdGordon: keeping the buffer small enough for normal builds should be ok |
| 13:56:47 | Slasheri | because same data would get logged for all users then (errors etc) |
| 13:58:01 | petur | "Rockbox has experienced a problem. Press 'Play' to send a bugreport to rockbox.org" |
| 13:58:28 | preglow | nls_web: i think we should forget the entire release date thing |
| 13:58:30 | JdGordon | ha.. rockbox fone home... |
| 13:58:31 | preglow | we release when it's done |
| 13:59:57 | JdGordon | on that note... maybe someone should say something on the frontpage saying "we care more about releasing working software than a buggy bag of shit.. plz be patient.." |
| 13:59:57 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 14:00:20 | LinusN | well put :-) |
| 14:00:57 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree with you - but I would like to know if we are all thinking the same thing with "done". Do all the 3.0 bugs in the tracker need to be fixed? |
| 14:01:13 | daurn|laptop | hey |
| 14:01:22 | LinusN | ho |
| 14:01:22 | daurn|laptop | has any1 thought about making a lua plugin? |
| 14:01:36 | JdGordon | ive got perl almost working instead.. |
| 14:01:38 | JdGordon | lua sux :D |
| 14:01:50 | daurn|laptop | lua ftw |
| 14:02:04 | preglow | linuxstb: i think a lot of them needs to be fixed |
| 14:02:10 | preglow | haven't got time to elaborate right now, need to go soon |
| 14:02:32 | * | LinusN wants FPL |
| 14:02:41 | preglow | fpl? |
| 14:02:48 | LinusN | Frexx Programming Language |
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| 14:03:16 | daurn|laptop | lua is the best high level interpreted language |
| 14:03:17 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:03:31 | * | preglow wants perl |
| 14:03:38 | petur | linuxstb: re critical bugs: a bug that causes a freeze (hard reset req'd) and a bug causing something not to work at all are critical (imho) |
| 14:03:48 | * | linuxstb is more than happy with C |
| 14:04:10 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:05:41 | linuxstb | petur: How would you narrow down the second category though? What are bugs, if they are not something that doesn't work? |
| 14:06:21 | JdGordon | any swcodec related bug or any that causes a crash i rekon is critical... anything else is just annoying.. |
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| 14:06:54 | preglow | also, i'd add langv2 fixups to the critical section |
| 14:07:10 | preglow | releasing with wrong button names after having created langv2 specifically for this release is stupid |
| 14:07:38 | LinusN | lousy remote control button assignments are critical too imho |
| 14:07:44 | preglow | how? |
| 14:07:46 | JdGordon | speaking of which.. there is a patch on fs to fix the play button name on h300 which hasnt been commited yet.. |
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| 14:07:49 | preglow | haven't followed that one |
| 14:07:55 | linuxstb | So at the very least, everything currently with "high" severity in the bug tracker is deemed critical? |
| 14:07:58 | petur | linuxstb: some functionality (like a certain codec, crossfade, playlist) not working *at all* is critical. |
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| 14:08:32 | petur | so being unable to properly use a certain remote is indeed critical |
| 14:08:33 | LinusN | the h300 lcd remote control button mappings are lame |
| 14:08:56 | * | petur has a h100 lcd remote soon :) |
| 14:10:15 | crwl | there's something kind of weird with h100 remote mapping stoo |
| 14:10:51 | LinusN | tell me |
| 14:11:01 | * | LinusN never uses the remote |
| 14:11:07 | zigford | Anyone had a look at the current ipod freeze issue on greyscale? |
| 14:11:19 | crwl | hum, let's see |
| 14:11:50 | JdGordon | linus send it my way then... /me wants one :p |
| 14:12:00 | crwl | LinusN, the context menu doesn't pop up with a long press of the navi/menu jogwheel, but a short press does enter directory/play file |
| 14:13:02 | crwl | LinusN, instead, the context pops up with a long press of the large play button |
| 14:13:06 | crwl | +menu |
| 14:13:13 | LinusN | it would be nice with a complete table of the mappings, didn't someone compile one a while ago? |
| 14:14:03 | crwl | and because there's a separate jog wheel for volume in the remote, i think it should work from everywhere, not only WPS |
| 14:14:06 | LinusN | daurn|laptop: btw, what would you use lua for if there was a lua plugin? |
| 14:14:15 | preglow | gotta go, later |
| 14:14:25 | LinusN | crwl: agreed |
| 14:14:27 | daurn|laptop | i would use it more |
| 14:14:34 | daurn|laptop | i liked using luaplayer for the psp |
| 14:14:40 | daurn|laptop | but i no longer ave a psp |
| 14:14:45 | daurn|laptop | and i want a replacement for pc |
| 14:14:46 | daurn|laptop | : |
| 14:14:47 | daurn|laptop | P |
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| 14:14:47 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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| 14:16:03 | * | JdGordon gets a clean cvs.. |
| 14:16:40 | JdGordon | Slasheri: did u actually start implementing a syslog? or just think about it? |
| 14:17:27 | LinusN | daurn|laptop: wow |
| 14:17:43 | LinusN | that will be quite some work to accomplish |
| 14:18:01 | JdGordon | max logf line is 21 chars?? thats a bit limiting isnt it? |
| 14:18:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: of course it is limiting |
| 14:18:26 | B4gder | a dap is limited too |
| 14:18:45 | LinusN | that comes mainly from the width of the remote lcd, and to keep the logf buffer small |
| 14:18:46 | JdGordon | just thinking u need a bit more than 21 chars to get anything usefull... but ok |
| 14:19:10 | B4gder | it has been very useful so far |
| 14:19:15 | LinusN | indeed |
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| 14:19:23 | daurn|laptop | LinusN: why a big task? |
| 14:19:44 | JdGordon | so much for 21... inconsistent comments... its defined as 30, but comments say 21 |
| 14:19:57 | LinusN | because getting the same functionality as luaplayer means a lot of programming |
| 14:20:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: :-) |
| 14:20:21 | LinusN | that's why comments are bad ;-P |
| 14:20:30 | JdGordon | not if kept up to date... |
| 14:20:31 | daurn|laptop | luaplayer already has a windows emulator/port |
| 14:20:32 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:20:58 | daurn|laptop | just its sort of stuck on 480x272, and no proper button input |
| 14:21:10 | JdGordon | so do i aim to replace the current logf, or start from scratch? |
| 14:21:15 | daurn|laptop | i've looked at the source |
| 14:21:23 | daurn|laptop | but its too psp dependant |
| 14:21:24 | LinusN | JdGordon: not replace, extend |
| 14:21:39 | LinusN | daurn|laptop: figures |
| 14:21:40 | daurn|laptop | maybe if there was some sort of official effort, it could all work |
| 14:21:53 | JdGordon | first thing is fix that comment :D |
| 14:22:06 | LinusN | daurn|laptop: i personally don't see the need/benefit, but that shouldn't stop you from trying |
| 14:22:33 | daurn|laptop | problem 1: theres no rockbox on my player yet |
| 14:22:33 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:23:02 | daurn|laptop | and i've been working on mediOS instead (archopen.org) |
| 14:23:32 | B4gder | port Rockbox to those players instead ;-) |
| 14:23:43 | Slasheri | JdGordon: i have written a few lines of code for it, but not very far yet |
| 14:23:53 | daurn|laptop | i'm not a good enough C coder to do it on my own |
| 14:23:54 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:24:03 | JdGordon | mind sending em over? |
| 14:24:05 | RedBreva | BTW... If any of the devs wants a H140 LCD remote, I can donate my unused one... Just let me know |
| 14:24:23 | * | LinusN points at JdGordon |
| 14:24:26 | Slasheri | JdGordon: i will try to have some time at evening :) |
| 14:24:35 | JdGordon | dont worry if u dont.. |
| 14:24:42 | * | JdGordon points back |
| 14:24:59 | * | petur likes pointers |
| 14:25:12 | LinusN | especially dangling ones :-) |
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| 14:25:36 | JdGordon | haw haw haw... very droll :p[ |
| 14:25:45 | daurn|laptop | maybe if someone else had a gmini 402 i could help out |
| 14:25:46 | daurn|laptop | :P |
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| 14:26:57 | Slasheri | JdGordon: basically i have done the buffer as a linked list, so syslog lines can be very long if necessary without extra ram needed |
| 14:27:15 | JdGordon | ooh thats nice :) |
| 14:27:24 | JdGordon | linked list in a static buffer? |
| 14:27:27 | Slasheri | yep |
| 14:27:51 | JdGordon | i tried that with the origional text_editor plugin... was ugly as hell so i scrapped it.. |
| 14:27:57 | JdGordon | you prob did it better tho :) |
| 14:28:02 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 14:28:20 | Slasheri | i will send the code as soon as i get it working somehow |
| 14:29:45 | JdGordon | would this work? |
| 14:29:46 | JdGordon | #define logf(f , ...) syslogf(0, f, ...) |
| 14:29:52 | markun | daurn|laptop: are you a archopen.org developer? |
| 14:30:08 | Slasheri | hmm, probably it would |
| 14:30:56 | JdGordon | the devel build enables logf? |
| 14:31:01 | Slasheri | but it's better to replace all of the logfs with syslog and with a proper log level |
| 14:31:15 | Slasheri | also DEBUGF etc. needs to be gone then :) |
| 14:31:23 | Slasheri | currently, yes |
| 14:31:55 | JdGordon | temp fix so its useable without replace a million calls... |
| 14:32:05 | daurn|laptop | markun: sort of |
| 14:32:17 | Slasheri | we can do same kind of thing with syslog too.. not enabling debug build, could just drop some syslog lines.. for example #define syslog(LOG_DEBUG, ...) nothing |
| 14:32:20 | daurn|laptop | y? |
| 14:33:13 | markun | just wondering. Don't know much about the project. |
| 14:33:33 | daurn|laptop | well, i'm not a *great* C coder |
| 14:33:51 | daurn|laptop | i've been trying to get mediOS working on the gmini 402 |
| 14:33:57 | daurn|laptop | with the help of Reego |
| 14:34:53 | JdGordon | :'( it didnt |
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| 14:37:14 | markun | daurn|laptop: did you try the SMS emu? |
| 14:37:49 | daurn|laptop | i've been trying to port it today |
| 14:37:49 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 14:38:07 | aliask | LinusN: Is there anything I can do towards the iriver power consumption issue that doesn't involve ASM or dissasembly? |
| 14:38:07 | daurn|laptop | but, no luck |
| 14:38:21 | daurn|laptop | gonna wait for others to fix some other stuff up |
| 14:38:53 | LinusN | aliask: as i wrote on the mailing list, the h300 power consumption is not a performance issue |
| 14:39:26 | aliask | I've been reading, it's about initialisation you think. But with that in mind is there anything I can do? |
| 14:39:27 | JdGordon | O_CREAT|O_APPEND <- append or create it if it doesnt exist? or just create not nescacery? |
| 14:44:07 | markun | daurn|laptop: I've been looking for sega emulators, but somehow missed SMS Plus.. |
| 14:45:36 | LinusN | aliask: you will need to be able to measure the current consumption |
| 14:46:37 | aliask | Linusn: I have a multimeter, and my player has been opened up. Will monitoring the battery wires be enough or will I need to measure off the PCB? |
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| 14:47:09 | LinusN | battery wires are ok |
| 14:48:14 | aliask | Will I need to run a custom build of rockbox, or is this just to find out what the base draw is going to be? |
| 14:49:11 | LinusN | well, you would have to try to find out what rockbox does or doesn't do that causes this consumption |
| 14:49:52 | LinusN | basically monitor the current and fiddle with the driver code |
| 14:50:16 | JdGordon | any1 know the define for /.rockbox of the top of your head? |
| 14:50:22 | XavierGr | and we are talknig about a big consumption issue. Double the normal, right? |
| 14:51:02 | aliask | I haven't had much of a look in the driver code, I'll start getting myself acquainted with it so I can actually end up doing stuff. Thanks for the point in the right direction Linus. |
| 14:52:07 | LinusN | one of the main suspects is the usb2go chip |
| 14:52:48 | LinusN | XavierGr: an excess of ~100mA |
| 14:53:06 | LinusN | hmmm, more like 50-60 iirc |
| 14:53:33 | petur | We also still don't know all interconnects. |
| 14:54:18 | LinusN | true |
| 14:54:43 | LinusN | i'm working on h300 schematics btw |
| 14:54:49 | XavierGr | LinusN: BTW, is there a difference between H110 and H120 except the battery? |
| 14:54:49 | petur | nice |
| 14:55:10 | LinusN | XavierGr: h110 and h120 have the same battery |
| 14:55:18 | XavierGr | oops I meant memory |
| 14:55:37 | LinusN | the difference is the memory, the disk size and the s/pdif ctrl polarity |
| 14:56:58 | XavierGr | yeha the disk size is obvious. I kust wondered the differences between the 2 in the source. Is it just a line or two? |
| 14:57:47 | XavierGr | (my spelling is getting worse) |
| 14:58:04 | LinusN | a line or two, tyes |
| 14:58:05 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:58:49 | JdGordon | does opening a file with O_APPEND create the file if it doesnt exsist? |
| 14:58:58 | LinusN | no |
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| 14:59:12 | JdGordon | so i have to do create|append? |
| 14:59:16 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:59:22 | JdGordon | k thanx |
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| 15:00:27 | XavierGr | Linus: The same applies for iPod5g (different RAM size) wouldn't it be possible to make those share the same builds? Though I think this would need restructurtin some parts of code about memory placeing... |
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| 15:01:36 | B4gder | XavierGr: yes it would be possible |
| 15:01:39 | LinusN | yes, it should be possible, if the plugin/codec buffers would be moved |
| 15:02:22 | LinusN | the problem is that we would lose plugin compatibility, as the plugin buffer location wouldn't be constant anymore |
| 15:02:37 | JdGordon | do we want to show all errors greater than a level.. or be able to show all msgs from diff parts of the system? |
| 15:02:38 | XavierGr | That would ease up the servers (not that they have a problem) and the confusion on some newcomers to download a specific build. |
| 15:03:09 | LinusN | JdGordon: maybe both |
| 15:03:21 | linuxstb | LinusN: Couldn't we just put the plugin/codec buffers at the very start of RAM - before Rockbox itself? |
| 15:03:22 | LinusN | a bitmask for the subsystem and an integer for the level |
| 15:03:23 | JdGordon | both isnt so easy... |
| 15:03:36 | JdGordon | ok, that will work |
| 15:03:48 | LinusN | linuxstb: good idea |
| 15:03:55 | JdGordon | cept im only using char for the level to save space.. still should be ok tho |
| 15:04:17 | JdGordon | nope, char wont be big enough.. |
| 15:04:26 | XavierGr | So is the plugin buffer going to be 1024K for iPod 5g? |
| 15:04:45 | LinusN | JdGordon: it doesn't have to be in the same argument |
| 15:04:50 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Why would it need to be bigger? |
| 15:05:07 | XavierGr | because I think there is an analogy between RAM and plugin buffer |
| 15:05:18 | JdGordon | storing the level in an array with the actual message.. so trying to keep mem usage down |
| 15:05:22 | Mikachu | that would just lead to plugins only working on ipods |
| 15:06:22 | B4gder | XavierGr: there really is no such connection |
| 15:06:50 | XavierGr | linuxstb: Iirc that was the reason why we reduced the H100 plugin buffer to 512 from 768. |
| 15:06:50 | JdGordon | 6 bits for system section, 2 for error level.. thats enough ye? |
| 15:07:03 | JdGordon | info/warning/error and 6 subsystems.. |
| 15:07:03 | Mikachu | making the codec buffer smaller and the pcm buffer larger on nanos/other flash devices would be good |
| 15:07:06 | linuxstb | XavierGr: IMO, the plugin buffer should only be as large as the largest plugin needs it to be. |
| 15:07:18 | LinusN | JdGordon: make it 16 |
| 15:07:24 | LinusN | bits |
| 15:07:29 | B4gder | or rather as small as the largest requires ;-) |
| 15:07:30 | JdGordon | short int is 16? |
| 15:07:41 | linuxstb | XavierGr: I can't remember but I'm sure that's why it was reduced to 512KB. |
| 15:07:54 | B4gder | JdGordon: yes |
| 15:07:58 | JdGordon | k |
| 15:08:48 | XavierGr | RAM size / 64 is the formula. |
| 15:09:05 | XavierGr | That's why on archos is 32kb and later on it was reduced to H100 to match that. |
| 15:09:15 | B4gder | no |
| 15:09:20 | B4gder | that's not the reason |
| 15:09:22 | linuxstb | That was probably just an excuse... |
| 15:09:26 | B4gder | and its not the logic we use |
| 15:09:41 | B4gder | like the h100 and h120 use the same plugin size |
| 15:09:49 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 15:09:53 | B4gder | and x5 and h300 |
| 15:09:54 | B4gder | etc etc |
| 15:10:15 | XavierGr | now that seems more logical. |
| 15:10:35 | XavierGr | I just connected the plugin reduction on H100 with that. |
| 15:11:37 | XavierGr | What about dynamic change in plugin Buffer? A menu to select how many kb you want and then a reboot to apply changes. :D |
| 15:11:59 | XavierGr | I think I am starting to become annoying :p |
| 15:12:01 | B4gder | yeah, and another option "do you want to shoot yourself in the foot?" |
| 15:12:35 | petur | oh no, dynamic memory allocation :D |
| 15:12:36 | Mikachu | XavierGr: a plugin buffer of 28MB also works fine |
| 15:12:39 | linuxstb | XavierGr: That won't work because it will mean the start address of the plugin buffer changes - and plugins are compiled to run at a fixed address. |
| 15:12:40 | B4gder | which then would be enabled automatically ;-) |
| 15:12:44 | XavierGr | Mikachu: I know |
| 15:12:55 | XavierGr | I said about the policy of defining the size. |
| 15:14:36 | JdGordon | i need a define for log me no matter what.. should i do it SYSLOG_RUN_FOR_YOUR_LIFE ?? :D |
| 15:14:47 | XavierGr | but anyway, it was just a scenario that I came up with. I remember someone from here compiled a build with huge plugin buffer to be able to view large jpegs while playing music! |
| 15:15:06 | Mikachu | hi that was me :) |
| 15:15:10 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 15:15:22 | Mikachu | still works fine |
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| 15:17:22 | B4gder | its been a while since we had the malloc debate! ;-) |
| 15:18:14 | * | petur shoots B4gder in the foot |
| 15:18:20 | * | B4gder limps |
| 15:18:46 | * | daurn|laptop runs |
| 15:18:48 | daurn|laptop | haha |
| 15:18:56 | * | daurn|laptop shows off in front og b4 |
| 15:18:59 | Paprica | mm |
| 15:18:59 | daurn|laptop | arg |
| 15:19:04 | * | daurn|laptop shows off in front of B4gder |
| 15:19:04 | daurn|laptop | :P |
| 15:19:10 | Paprica | what result -4 |
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| 15:19:14 | Paprica | means in the start |
| 15:19:15 | Paprica | ? |
| 15:19:38 | linuxstb | Look at the load_firmware() function in bootloader/main.c |
| 15:19:58 | petur | haha RTFS |
| 15:20:19 | linuxstb | :) |
| 15:20:46 | Paprica | lseek(fd, FIRMWARE_OFFSET_FILE_DATA, SEEK_SET); |
| 15:20:46 | Paprica | rc = read(fd, buf, len); |
| 15:20:46 | Paprica | if(rc < len) |
| 15:20:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Paprica |
| 15:20:46 | Paprica | return -4; |
| 15:20:51 | Paprica | ... |
| 15:21:22 | petur | did you copy a new version onto your player? |
| 15:21:35 | Paprica | yep |
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| 15:23:08 | * | Paprica is deleting rockbox directory |
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| 15:24:10 | Paprica | lol |
| 15:24:15 | Paprica | result -1 |
| 15:24:15 | Paprica | =\ |
| 15:24:53 | Paprica | oops |
| 15:26:18 | XavierGr | BTW now that Paprica mentined. I think there was a plan to move rockbox.target inside the .rockbox directory. What happened to it? |
| 15:27:37 | petur | both are supported atm |
| 15:30:39 | JdGordon | well ive simplified the whole logf system and added writing to disk and levels and systems... |
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| 15:33:14 | XavierGr | petur: yes, but is there going to be a change in the future? |
| 15:34:53 | * | petur points to the core devs ( *.se ) |
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| 15:40:33 | petur | oh-oh... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/31/apple_samsung_sigmatel/ |
| 15:41:34 | petur | I hope they don't reconsider for the other players |
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| 15:49:49 | JdGordon | hope im not getting annoying... im trying to tihnk of the rb subsytems that might like to give debug info.. ive got main thread, playback, lcd, plugin, codec, and other... and room for 6 more i tihnk.. any ideas? |
| 15:50:29 | B4gder | the first shuffle has a sigmatel too doesn't it? |
| 15:50:40 | * | JdGordon cant count in hex :'( |
| 15:50:44 | markun | B4gder: don't they all? |
| 15:51:02 | B4gder | there's only one afaik |
| 15:51:09 | petur | seems Samsung was getting it all |
| 15:51:17 | dwihno | JdGordon: 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0b, 0x0c, 0x0d, 0x0e, 0x0f, 0x0g, 0x0h... :) |
| 15:51:53 | LinusN | JdGordon: you don't need to define all bits now |
| 15:52:18 | LinusN | i guess the power thread would want a bit |
| 15:52:21 | B4gder | I just find it unlikely that apple picks sigmatel for a 2nd gen shuffle just to "punish" samsung |
| 15:53:00 | JdGordon | LinusN: i know.. but im pretty much done for the night... brain turning off :p |
| 15:54:55 | JdGordon | room for 12 sub systems... |
| 15:55:07 | JdGordon | unless some1 thinks of more fancy names for error levels :p |
| 15:55:35 | linuxstb | B4gder: But it's on an Internet news site - it _must_ be true. |
| 15:56:50 | JdGordon | anyway, im going to bed.. i wont be able to touch this again till sat night at the earlisest im afraid.. but i figure no1 has really done anything till now so it can wait :D |
| 15:57:18 | B4gder | linuxstb: I forgot about that part! |
| 15:59:01 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 16:14:05 | lowlight | linuxstb: did you check if the seeking fix also fixes the resume bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5341 |
| 16:15:32 | zigford | wooooooooooot |
| 16:15:54 | zigford | goodnight rockbox! |
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| 16:21:00 | linuxstb | lowlight: I don't think the resume bug is related. |
| 16:21:58 | linuxstb | If you look around line 1725 of playback,c, you'll see that the resume code appears to be very codec-specific. It doesn't simply tell the codec to seek to a certain point. |
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| 16:22:23 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure how it's supposed to be working... |
| 16:24:15 | lowlight | I think the reporter means resume on startup, in which case it should "rebuffer_and_seek" which will cause the same flac error. |
| 16:26:20 | linuxstb | I don't think resume works at all with FLAC files (and others). If you look in vorbis.c, you'll see that the codec checks for a value in rb->id3->offset, and then seeks to that point. The FLAC codec doesn't include the same check. |
| 16:26:53 | linuxstb | Also, vorbis calls rb->set_offset() after decoding every frame. Not every codec does that either. |
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| 17:00:26 | lowlight | linuxstb: I guess I don't understand how resume works. mpa.c has none of those offset checks and resume works...right? |
| 17:01:13 | lowlight | I guess I assumed that if a file was resuming (after startup) that seek_time would be non-zero and the codec would seek to the proper place to start. |
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| 17:10:02 | linuxstb | lowlight: I think it's handled in playback.c on behalf of mpa.c - see the code around line 1725 |
| 17:11:07 | linuxstb | lowlight: But yes, it doesn't work like you assumed. One reason I expect is that we can't seek accurately in VBR MPEG files. So instead of asking the codec to seek to a specific time, the codec keeps track of the byte offset, and simply resumes to that byte. |
| 17:14:11 | Rori | anyonehey guyz how do I use my Nano while plugged into the USB cable? |
| 17:16:17 | linuxstb | If you're asking how to stop it rebooting into disk mode, just hold MENU as you insert the cable. |
| 17:17:55 | Rori | ah you have to do it while it's on no wonder |
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| 17:20:08 | Rori | I kept holding down menu when it was switched off and plugging in the cable and of course all that did was keep booting up to disk mode |
| 17:21:19 | Rori | it still pulls it's power from the cable I presume? |
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| 17:24:10 | Anthos | Can I please ask some n00b questions? |
| 17:25:18 | bluey- | than ask your n00b questions |
| 17:25:48 | Anthos | Sorry, I have an AV-700, What benifits does Roxbox bring me over the firmware? |
| 17:25:54 | Anthos | *Official Firmware? |
| 17:26:03 | linuxstb | None - Rockbox doesn't work on the AV-700 |
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| 17:26:25 | Anthos | Crap, that was my next question... :| |
| 17:26:48 | Anthos | Although, I thought I saw in one of your forums someone asking about the AV700... |
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| 17:27:01 | Gargamale | Sup my FW replacin friends? |
| 17:27:05 | bluey- | hey linuxstb |
| 17:27:20 | bluey- | i guess your are experienced with DVB Hardware or? which dvb-t do you suggest? |
| 17:27:20 | linuxstb | hey... |
| 17:27:26 | Gargamale | How goes it |
| 17:27:32 | bluey- | asking because just saw your credits in mplayer |
| 17:27:36 | BHSPitLappy | hey linuxstb |
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| 17:27:42 | * | linuxstb feels mobbed |
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| 17:27:57 | Gargamale | Now you feel gay |
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| 17:28:21 | linuxstb | bluey-: Yes, this code is mine: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvbtools/ |
| 17:28:36 | * | BHSPitLappy picks linuxstb's brain |
| 17:28:37 | linuxstb | I still use that DVB software every day, but haven't made any changes to it for a couple of years. |
| 17:28:48 | linuxstb | bluey-: Are you using Linux? |
| 17:28:50 | Anthos | Thank you for your help guys, Keep up the good work :P |
| 17:29:00 | bluey- | yep... |
| 17:29:18 | bluey- | just building a mythtv box |
| 17:29:45 | BHSPitLappy | nice |
| 17:29:46 | linuxstb | I've had good experiences with the Hauppauge Nova-t cards. But I prefer satellite DVB - reception is much more reliable than terrestrial. |
| 17:30:57 | bluey- | mhh |
| 17:31:24 | linuxstb | bluey-: But I don't think there's much difference in the difference cards. I would definitely go for PCI rather than a USB card though. Just make sure it's supported by the Linux DVB drivers. |
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| 17:31:33 | larryone | scooooore |
| 17:31:43 | larryone | sorry |
| 17:31:47 | BHSPitLappy | larryone: 0 |
| 17:31:51 | BHSPitLappy | #rockbox: 1 |
| 17:32:11 | larryone | I've been looking for an iriver related channe |
| 17:32:19 | bluey- | well i guess it will be dvb-t card but i'm not sure about the picture quality |
| 17:32:40 | linuxstb | The card itself is irrelevant to picture quality. |
| 17:33:03 | B4gder | larryone: I believe there's a misticriver one somewhere... |
| 17:33:07 | linuxstb | It just receives the digital MPEG streams - so it either works or it doesn;t. |
| 17:33:47 | larryone | I was unable to find information on that on the misticriver site |
| 17:34:03 | larryone | I'm goni gto be putting rockbox onto my new h320 |
| 17:34:46 | larryone | although there is a non-rockbox issue that I am concerned about |
| 17:35:11 | daurn|afk | AND TROGDOR GOES TO BED IN THE NIGHT!!!!! - cyas all (properly) |
| 17:35:24 | markun | larryone: just ask.. |
| 17:35:38 | goffa | i didn't have iriver firmware on my machine long |
| 17:35:47 | goffa | like less than 5 hours |
| 17:35:58 | larryone | what I was sent was the US version - not international as was advertised (emilyandlily on ebay) |
| 17:36:15 | goffa | larryone: HA HA HA .. i was sent the international and not the us |
| 17:36:15 | larryone | the major feature that I actually care about is the usbotg |
| 17:36:33 | larryone | my god they're incompetant |
| 17:36:38 | goffa | but... |
| 17:36:41 | goffa | i wrote them |
| 17:36:47 | goffa | and bitched.. they sent me the right power plug |
| 17:36:48 | larryone | amnd |
| 17:36:56 | goffa | you should too |
| 17:37:04 | larryone | my housemate has a h340 so power is not an issue |
| 17:37:12 | larryone | I can charge it with his, or via usb |
| 17:37:12 | goffa | oh ok |
| 17:37:27 | goffa | actually i have a 140 |
| 17:37:41 | larryone | but I do now also have a n american charger - which is useless in ireland |
| 17:37:52 | goffa | yeah |
| 17:37:58 | goffa | that's why i wrote them |
| 17:38:00 | markun | larryone: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Missing_5_components_for_the_USB |
| 17:38:11 | larryone | when I barked down the phone at them they offered to send out 2 LCD remotes |
| 17:38:21 | goffa | lol |
| 17:38:22 | goffa | whee |
| 17:38:31 | B4gder | haha, yeah that'll fix the usb ;-) |
| 17:38:40 | larryone | so I'm looking for ways to get around the USBOTG problem |
| 17:38:50 | Hansmaulwurf | Today on university I noticed that sometimes on some songs, Rockbox calculates the runtime wrong. Sometimes too short, sometimes too long. As far I could see it had something to do with the bitrate of these mp3 files which where also wrong (well, this said the WPS). |
| 17:39:03 | larryone | and I have heard that there is a way that involves soldering a connection in the machine |
| 17:39:10 | Hansmaulwurf | i searched in the bug report page but couldnt find anything, is this bug known? |
| 17:39:17 | B4gder | larryone: so read markun's link |
| 17:39:40 | B4gder | Hansmaulwurf: it could also be messed up files |
| 17:39:48 | B4gder | or rather, that is very likely |
| 17:40:14 | goffa | yeah.. i don't have that trouble on mine |
| 17:40:15 | Hansmaulwurf | but when I change the track and go back to this messed up song everything is fine |
| 17:40:19 | markun | Hansmaulwurf: VBR files? |
| 17:40:50 | Hansmaulwurf | and the song is played completely, only the ID-infos on the wps screen are wrong |
| 17:41:02 | Hansmaulwurf | markun: yes vbr |
| 17:41:24 | Hansmaulwurf | dont know if all are vbr, but the most should |
| 17:42:03 | markun | Hansmaulwurf: see if the vbrfix plugin helps. It helped for my files where the time was wrong. |
| 17:42:14 | Hansmaulwurf | ok I will try |
| 17:42:45 | larryone | have read that link - is that red wire all that is needed to mod the US version so it will give usbotg - is there other ways using external power sources, etc? |
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| 17:43:46 | goffa | boxwave had a cable i thought |
| 17:43:49 | goffa | they have cool stuff |
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| 17:44:19 | guest^^ | Hello ! How are you ? I would like to know if it's possible to install iPod 5G's classical OS after installing Rockbox ? :s |
| 17:44:19 | markun | What's the advantage of an external power source? |
| 17:44:26 | larryone | boxwave |
| 17:44:34 | markun | guest^^: yes |
| 17:44:43 | larryone | i'd feel more comfortable than modding the iriver myself |
| 17:45:05 | guest^^ | markun: Is it a walkthrough about that ? |
| 17:45:11 | larryone | I am not confident in my soldering skills - I havent done any in a while |
| 17:45:32 | goffa | yeah... thats how i felt |
| 17:45:41 | goffa | didn't feel like screwing up my player |
| 17:46:05 | larryone | aye |
| 17:46:09 | markun | guest^^: I think you can find all the info here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
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| 17:46:29 | markun | There also is a rockbox forum to look for answers |
| 17:46:33 | larryone | unless I can find someone in Ireland who actually knows what they're doing with this stuff |
| 17:46:47 | guest^^ | Thanks a lot ! |
| 17:47:47 | goffa | yeah.. got any buddies into electronics? |
| 17:48:07 | goffa | i've got a few.. but they live on the other half of the state :( guess that's why i went with boxwave |
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| 17:49:43 | larryone | I have some friends who are into electronics |
| 17:50:40 | larryone | and I know some guys in the UCD Electronic engineering dept that will have access to the right sort of equipment - but I dont really know that may people who have such intimate knowlege of irivers that they would know exactly what they were doing |
| 17:52:43 | markun | larryone: you could ask LinusN for some instructions maybe when he gets back |
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| 18:08:13 | larryone | nice |
| 18:11:23 | larryone | so apart from the USBOTG thing and the DRM key - is there any operational difference between the US and international models |
| 18:13:04 | petur | no (other firmware of course but these can be swapped) |
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| 18:15:58 | larryone | sweet |
| 18:16:08 | * | larryone doesnt care about DRM keys |
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| 18:20:13 | XavierGr | larryone: I think there was a mod at US players that enabled USB OTG |
| 18:20:27 | larryone | soldering a wire in |
| 18:20:32 | larryone | so I've heard |
| 18:20:38 | XavierGr | to do that you need the right cable which I think is proprietary and an external power source |
| 18:20:50 | XavierGr | ah yes you can solder a wire to skip the power source |
| 18:20:59 | larryone | yea |
| 18:21:13 | XavierGr | the difficult would be to find the cable. |
| 18:21:30 | XavierGr | normal usb 2bmini won't work |
| 18:21:38 | larryone | I dont mind the possability of using a proprietary cable and external power supply if it gets me around the problem |
| 18:21:59 | larryone | yea - I dislike proprietary stuff, but not in any extreme way |
| 18:22:09 | larryone | if it will server my purposes then ok |
| 18:22:21 | * | XavierGr rembers what it took for him to finally use his USB OTG on his new H300. |
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| 18:22:46 | XavierGr | you see larryone mine was faulty from the start |
| 18:22:55 | larryone | aah |
| 18:23:01 | XavierGr | the unit was sent to iriver germany twice |
| 18:23:10 | larryone | mine isnt faulty, it's just american =0) |
| 18:23:18 | XavierGr | and they did a lame fix that broke the other day |
| 18:23:41 | XavierGr | so I had to open the player and fixed it by randomly soldering joints. |
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| 18:28:13 | larryone | jesus |
| 18:28:18 | larryone | I wouldnt go that far |
| 18:28:36 | larryone | radndomly soldering shit might make it short |
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| 18:28:55 | XavierGr | well I didn't had a choice. USB OTG was a reason to upgrade for my beloved H140. |
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| 18:30:54 | larryone | hmm |
| 18:31:30 | larryone | I wonder if iriver would mod it for me - If I explained the situation fully and asked really nicely, and paid them for it |
| 18:38:30 | HCl | heh |
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| 18:47:02 | goffa | hah... iriver modding.. not likely... they are terrible to deal with |
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| 19:09:38 | Vhata | is it just me, or is there no way to install rockbox on a Nano from Linux? |
| 19:09:48 | Vhata | I can't find anything on the wiki about installing it from a Linux machine |
| 19:10:01 | bluey- | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 19:10:12 | Vhata | so, it's just me |
| 19:10:16 | Vhata | a thousand apologies |
| 19:10:17 | Vhata | thank you |
| 19:10:22 | bluey- | np |
| 19:10:57 | Vhata | that's not linked from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex is it? |
| 19:11:36 | bluey- | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort |
| 19:11:47 | bluey- | Wiki > iPod Port > |
| 19:12:15 | * | Vhata will shut up now, thanks |
| 19:17:20 | linuxstb | It's also linked at the top of the Windows installation page, which seems to be the one all external sites link to..... |
| 19:18:39 | Vhata | it's rather easy to install, innit? |
| 19:18:53 | linuxstb | I think so... |
| 19:18:58 | Vhata | well, I'm done |
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| 19:19:09 | Vhata | I left my 'pod plugged in at work, expecting this would take quite some time (I have no USB here at home) |
| 19:19:15 | Vhata | so I was going to ssh in and crosscompile and all that. |
| 19:19:19 | Vhata | but... well... it's done. |
| 19:19:28 | Vhata | I s'pose I'll see if it worked when I get to work tomorrow. |
| 19:19:32 | Vhata | awesome |
| 19:19:36 | Vhata | thanks guys. |
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| 20:24:02 | Spence | Hello |
| 20:24:44 | Spence | Just a quick question, I'm considering buying an .mp3 player for this rockbox thing- the OS and restrictions have long put me off. |
| 20:25:21 | Spence | It's kinda stupid, but can I get like a spectrum visualiser for rockbox, so it goes in sync with the music? |
| 20:25:56 | * | HCl wonders what restrictions and os put you off o-o |
| 20:25:57 | Mikachu | not a spectrum visualizer yet that i know of, but there is an oscilloscope type plugin |
| 20:26:01 | linuxstb | Not at the moment, but I'm sure someone will code one someday. |
| 20:26:46 | Spence | I'm on a Mac, though I do use iTunes and like it- the Windows/iTunes divide is kinda lame.. I don't think I want an iPod |
| 20:26:49 | Hansmaulwurf | "It could be you!" (tm) Llorean |
| 20:27:11 | linuxstb | Buy an ipod and put Rockbox on it - it's then no longer an ipod. |
| 20:27:14 | HCl | rockbox runs on more devices than just ipod o-o |
| 20:27:25 | Spence | haha, yeah i was considering an iRiver over an iPod |
| 20:27:34 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah, the X5 are great players |
| 20:27:38 | Spence | tend to have better sound quality in reviews |
| 20:27:40 | Hansmaulwurf | for example |
| 20:27:48 | Hansmaulwurf | the iPod? |
| 20:28:03 | Hansmaulwurf | what reviews? some from ipod fan sites? |
| 20:28:06 | linuxstb | The irivers supported by Rockbox are no longer sold by iriver. Only the ipods and the iaudio X5 are easily available. |
| 20:28:36 | Spence | What about that Toshiba Gigabeat thing I saw..? |
| 20:29:00 | linuxstb | Rockbox isn't working yet on the Gigabeat, but the people porting it are making fast progress. |
| 20:29:29 | linuxstb | I've no idea what the sound quality is like on it compared to the irivers and iaudio though. markun? |
| 20:29:56 | Spence | Generally the hardware has been solid for the Cowon kit, it's the software reviewers feel plagued it : ) |
| 20:30:17 | Spence | comes with line in and out doesn't it with that little dongle? |
| 20:30:27 | Hansmaulwurf | i tested the H300 and the X5 in our local computer-shop, didnt hear a difference |
| 20:31:05 | Hansmaulwurf | oh, misunderstood linuxstb |
| 20:31:29 | linuxstb | Someone needs to write some comparative reviews of the different Rockbox targets running Rockbox... |
| 20:31:47 | * | Spence nods |
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| 20:32:04 | Hansmaulwurf | comparing the audio-quality? |
| 20:32:37 | Spence | surely that would be entirely dependant on the hardware not rockbox? |
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| 20:33:40 | amiconn | I don't know the X5 audioo, but imho the irivers have the worst sound quality in comparison of archos-iriver-ipod |
| 20:34:28 | amiconn | That doesn't mean the sound quality is outright bad, but the iriver output signal is quite noisy |
| 20:35:18 | Spence | does rockbox record and encode on the fly to say .mp3 or any other compressed format? |
| 20:35:30 | linuxstb | Yes, I find the same on my h1x0. The 4g ipod's sound is quite lifeless, so I find the 5g is my favourite to listen to out of my h140, 4g Color ipod and 5g ipod. |
| 20:35:54 | linuxstb | Spence: Not yet, but I would expect it in the relatively near future. Reliable recording to WAV is the priority first. |
| 20:36:23 | Spence | awesome, i'm so glad i clicked this link on flickr- i'm sold |
| 20:36:26 | XavierGr | strange most people claim that iriver has better audio quality |
| 20:36:28 | linuxstb | There is an MP3 encoder plugin in Rockbox already, so you can record to WAV, and then encode afterwards. |
| 20:36:32 | Hansmaulwurf | but I think on rockbox is a wav to mp3 encoder right? |
| 20:36:41 | Hansmaulwurf | yes, right :) |
| 20:36:58 | Spence | Xavier, i'm onlly basing this on an audiophiles review of the H320, |
| 20:36:59 | linuxstb | :) And it works faster than realtime, so realtime encoding is feasible. |
| 20:37:37 | Spence | i've not read much about other iRiver systems |
| 20:37:54 | XavierGr | Spence maybe I will be called a fanboy but the best thing you can get right now (if you can find one) is either an H100 on an H300 |
| 20:38:09 | Hansmaulwurf | (amiconn) I don't know the X5 audioo, but imho the irivers have the worst sound quality in comparison of archos-iriver-ipod <−−−− imho the ipod sound quality is worse than the iriver |
| 20:38:23 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: Which ipod? |
| 20:38:30 | linuxstb | (and which iriver) ? |
| 20:38:51 | Hansmaulwurf | at least all ipods from 1G to 4G |
| 20:38:58 | Hansmaulwurf | compared to the H100 series |
| 20:39:12 | amiconn | Both of my irivers sound the same, with all the hiss in quiet passages (and the slightly clicking remote) |
| 20:39:17 | linuxstb | I don't know about 1G-3G (or the minis), but the 5g is a big leap in quality from the 4g. |
| 20:39:25 | amiconn | I can't hear any hiss on my ipod (mini g2) |
| 20:39:37 | Hansmaulwurf | my brother has a 4G ipod and we mean both the H120 sounds better |
| 20:39:38 | amiconn | ..and neither on archos |
| 20:39:39 | Spence | yeah i've heard the 5G has nearly hit the clarity of the shuggle |
| 20:39:45 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: I agree with that comparison. |
| 20:40:31 | linuxstb | It's a shame the shuffle is so unhackable - everyone says it's an excellent sounding player. |
| 20:40:32 | amiconn | Afaik the mini g2 has the same (or almost the same) dac as the 4g ipod |
| 20:40:56 | Spence | the pez .mp3 player is based on the same chipset i think |
| 20:40:59 | amiconn | While it has no tone control at all, I still deem it better sounding than the irivers |
| 20:41:05 | Spence | you can change the heads, i suppose that's a hack |
| 20:41:11 | Hansmaulwurf | lol |
| 20:41:20 | XavierGr | amiconn: the hiss can't be the only argument to compare quality. |
| 20:41:22 | Spence | samsung chipset, can't remember the model number |
| 20:41:27 | linuxstb | It seems to be the headphone amplification in the 4g ipods that ruin the sound - i.e. what's between the DAC and the headphone socket. |
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| 20:41:59 | amiconn | XavierGr: The hiss is what's annoying me. The only other thing would be distortions, and I don't hear any distortions on any of my rockboxed players |
| 20:42:04 | Hansmaulwurf | amiconn: btw, what headphones or earpluges are you using? |
| 20:42:12 | Spence | most of my library is 256-320kbps VBR lame .mp3s.. i can't quibble that much on quality : ) |
| 20:42:34 | Spence | lot of you guys will use .wav/.ogg right? |
| 20:42:44 | Mikachu | wav for music is insane when you have flac |
| 20:42:53 | amiconn | Sennheiser MX450 |
| 20:43:10 | amiconn | But most of the time I connect it to a car/home stereo |
| 20:43:11 | Hansmaulwurf | i have not one wav file Spence, but half of my songs are ogg |
| 20:43:32 | Mikachu | i convert songs to ogg first (to save space, i have a 2GB nano) |
| 20:43:33 | amiconn | 99% mp3 here, mostly lame −−preset standard |
| 20:43:34 | XavierGr | I am a slave of mp3... |
| 20:43:44 | XavierGr | me too |
| 20:43:54 | linuxstb | FLAC and MP2... |
| 20:43:56 | Spence | i only did it so i can share.. |
| 20:44:14 | amiconn | Other formats basically for testing only, plus one album as ogg |
| 20:44:31 | Hansmaulwurf | (amiconn) Sennheiser MX450 <−−−− and you can really hear ANY difference in soundquality with them? |
| 20:44:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:44:43 | amiconn | easily |
| 20:45:02 | amiconn | The hiss is noticeable even at lower volumes |
| 20:45:02 | Hansmaulwurf | hm |
| 20:45:26 | Hansmaulwurf | i use the Etymotic ER4P and i cant hear a hiss |
| 20:45:30 | Spence | i've got little to no experience of coding- if i tried to make that spectrum visualiser thing how far would you think i could get? |
| 20:45:37 | Spence | i think a lot of people would use it |
| 20:45:45 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: I use the same, and can definitely hear a loud hiss on my h140. |
| 20:45:46 | Hansmaulwurf | Spence: can you code in c? |
| 20:45:51 | Mikachu | i think it would be hard to do realtime fft and render in realtime |
| 20:45:55 | Spence | i have the time to learn :) |
| 20:46:04 | Mikachu | maybe you can take shortcuts with mp3? |
| 20:46:11 | amiconn | Mikachu: Depends on the fft. It doesn't have to have many points |
| 20:46:11 | qwm | :) |
| 20:46:18 | Hansmaulwurf | linuxstb: when the remote is plugged in and no song is playing? |
| 20:46:19 | Spence | unemployed in 4 weeks |
| 20:46:30 | Mikachu | the oscilloscope already struggles a bit, and that calculation doesn't look so hard |
| 20:46:33 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: I don't use the remote. But yes, when no song is playing. |
| 20:46:53 | XavierGr | Althought isn't it Apple that refuses to say the Signal to noise ratio? (or the manufacturer of the hardware) |
| 20:47:04 | amiconn | I don't use the remote either, except for coding |
| 20:48:16 | Spence | the oscilloscope thing looks pretty good, just found some pictures |
| 20:48:20 | amiconn | Hansmaulwurf: Do you have the ticking remot eproblem? |
| 20:48:30 | Hansmaulwurf | linuxstb: well , i can hear it only when i use the remote |
| 20:48:35 | Hansmaulwurf | amiconn: not at all |
| 20:49:33 | amiconn | Maybe both problems are connected - ticking remote and hiss even without remote |
| 20:49:53 | XavierGr | Someday I must catch an iPod in my hands to compare sound quality and overall use with default firmware |
| 20:49:57 | amiconn | It seems some irivers have a grounding problem somewhere |
| 20:50:04 | XavierGr | I still can't understand why this thing sells so much |
| 20:50:22 | Spence | it's got a mirror on the back |
| 20:50:26 | Hansmaulwurf | its the "coolness" XavierGr |
| 20:50:29 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 20:50:39 | linuxstb | It's obvious why it sells - it's marketed to "normal" people, not geeks. |
| 20:50:43 | XavierGr | F*ck trends :) |
| 20:50:57 | Spence | exactly what puts me off the iPod |
| 20:51:19 | Mikachu | Spence: only for 3 minutes |
| 20:51:22 | Hansmaulwurf | i would buy an iPod if i could use them without iTunes |
| 20:51:24 | Hansmaulwurf | WAIT |
| 20:51:25 | Spence | i can't deny that it is not a nice piece of hardware.. it's got li-polymer |
| 20:51:27 | Hansmaulwurf | ;) |
| 20:51:28 | Mikachu | then it is a more like the bottom of your sink |
| 20:51:31 | XavierGr | linuxstb: Ok, but still why someone would pay more for an underfeatured DAP... |
| 20:51:45 | * | amiconn 's ipod doesn't have a mirror on the back |
| 20:51:54 | linuxstb | "reassuringly expensive". |
| 20:52:06 | Mikachu | if i polish it a bit, it gets mirrory (and more scratchy) until the next time i touch it |
| 20:52:11 | Hansmaulwurf | XavierGr: your friend has an iPod, you see it, he tells you its a great player, so you buy one |
| 20:52:44 | XavierGr | How on earth can someone pay 400-500 bucks without even researching first? |
| 20:52:53 | Spence | rich parents. |
| 20:52:56 | * | amiconn thinks the mini has the best case of all ipods |
| 20:53:02 | Hansmaulwurf | if I tell my friends the H120 can play ogg and have a digital in/out etc. they say "who fucking cares" |
| 20:53:23 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: Tell them it can play Doom... |
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| 20:53:35 | Spence | i told 2 friends that the H320 did that and they bought it, but to be fair the rest of them would laugh at me |
| 20:53:36 | Mikachu | ogg is vital for me, mp3 at 100kbps would sound like crap even to me :) |
| 20:53:47 | Hansmaulwurf | linuxstb: that is working, but the iPod can it too, and with colors! |
| 20:53:55 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: But don't tell them that... |
| 20:53:57 | amiconn | ogg at 100kbps probably doesn't sound a lot better |
| 20:54:03 | XavierGr | Spence: why laugh at you? |
| 20:54:10 | XavierGr | What are their arguments? |
| 20:54:20 | Spence | erm, that's geeky and i would never use it |
| 20:54:42 | Hansmaulwurf | linuxstb: why not? doom is the best advertisment for rockbox |
| 20:54:45 | crwl | amiconn, it sure does |
| 20:54:47 | XavierGr | is that an "argument"? |
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| 20:55:02 | Hansmaulwurf | "killer application" |
| 20:55:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: ogg kicks the mp3's ass on low bitrates |
| 20:55:26 | crwl | *anything* newer than mp3 kicks mp3's ass on low bitrates |
| 20:55:32 | linuxstb | Hansmaulwurf: I thought you were trying to persuade people to buy iriver |
| 20:55:44 | crwl | low being maybe <128 kbps |
| 20:55:46 | Spence | well, it is vaguely.. a poor argument but there are 2 reasons leading to the conclusion of laughter |
| 20:56:20 | amiconn | crwl: Well, maybe it sounds better than mp3, but it's probably still far away from sounding transparent |
| 20:56:35 | crwl | amiconn, yes, i wouldn't claim it transparent |
| 20:56:38 | Hansmaulwurf | linuxstb: no, it was just an example that normal people want a simple to use player which looks cool, but no great technical features |
| 20:56:41 | amiconn | That does of course depend on the type of music |
| 20:56:51 | Mikachu | i sure don't hear any difference, but i think mp3 is good at 140kbps and higher |
| 20:57:06 | crwl | amiconn, but i think i would be myself quite happy listening to about 80-90 kbps oggs on the road, probably happier than to ~128 kbps VBR mp3 |
| 20:57:19 | Spence | Just one more question, how long would you say it will take for RockBox to be a polished open product like FireFox? |
| 20:57:22 | amiconn | There is music that sounds transparent with mp3 @160kbps, and there is music that needs >240kbps mp3 to sound transparent |
| 20:57:29 | XavierGr | amiconn: of course not transparent, but make the following ogg and mp3 at 48kbps |
| 20:57:30 | crwl | sure |
| 20:57:48 | Hansmaulwurf | my MP3 are 192kbps, i dont think you can hear if a song is 192.kbps or 256kbps |
| 20:57:49 | crwl | i encode to -q4 ogg (~128 kbps) to my h120 and i find it more than satisfactory for my use |
| 20:58:04 | amiconn | ...and mp3 also depends a lot on the encoder |
| 20:58:08 | crwl | anything more would be waste everywhere else than home, IMO |
| 20:58:16 | Mikachu | and cbr vs vbr/abr |
| 20:58:18 | XavierGr | with mp3 you can't here a thing on such low bitrates while on og at still it sounds decent without distortion artifacts |
| 20:58:21 | amiconn | Hansmaulwurf: I can for some songs |
| 20:58:28 | XavierGr | ^here =hear |
| 20:58:37 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah i have some too, but not normal rock songs |
| 20:58:46 | amiconn | That's why I use lame −−preset standard |
| 20:59:25 | XavierGr | wow you sure have sensitive ears, to be able to hear difference with alt preset standart |
| 20:59:35 | amiconn | no, I can't |
| 20:59:49 | XavierGr | I haven't made an ABX test but beyond 160 I can't tell the difference |
| 20:59:51 | crwl | lame −−preset standard is very, very good |
| 20:59:52 | Mikachu | even if i hear differences, it usually doesn't bother me too much |
| 20:59:57 | amiconn | ..but I can hear a difference between 192kbps cbr and −−preset standard for some songs |
| 20:59:57 | Spence | so subjective anyway, seeing as each of our ears are entirely different |
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| 21:00:00 | XavierGr | I just rip to alt preset standard just in case |
| 21:00:04 | Mikachu | it's still the same music |
| 21:00:14 | crwl | but then again, i haven't been able to ABX ogg vorbis at ~160 kbps (and not always even at 128) so... |
| 21:00:16 | amiconn | (those songs come out at 240..250 kbps with −−preset standard) |
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| 21:00:56 | Spence | a lot of what you say you can't hear is what you are meant to be feeling anyway, it is frequencies that our ears can't detect but can feel- that is what bass and trebble really is |
| 21:00:57 | amiconn | I'm not concerned much about space, so I don't need ogg |
| 21:01:04 | XavierGr | at what bitrate mp3 stops busing the mp3 algorithm and starts to encode as mp2? |
| 21:01:12 | XavierGr | ^busing = using |
| 21:01:21 | Mikachu | i think never? |
| 21:01:25 | amiconn | Of course I don't have unlimited space either, otherwise I would use something lossless |
| 21:01:25 | Hansmaulwurf | "bass" with earphones is a joke |
| 21:01:27 | Hansmaulwurf | nothing else |
| 21:01:35 | Hansmaulwurf | you cant call that "bass" |
| 21:01:55 | XavierGr | I've heard that at high bitrates mp3 uses another algorithm base on mp2 |
| 21:01:58 | XavierGr | I am not sure though |
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| 21:02:15 | amiconn | XavierGr: Nope. mp3 is always mp3 |
| 21:02:25 | Mikachu | there is toolame for mp2 |
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| 21:03:53 | Spence | been nice chatting to you, got to reboot. seeya |
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| 21:06:43 | XavierGr | ok I finally managed to make my multi highlight word script in irc! :) |
| 21:07:15 | XavierGr | Now I highlight every dev's nick that speaks to be sure that I won't miss any serious discussion |
| 21:08:03 | * | amiconn can do this with just a couple of settings in his irc client |
| 21:08:04 | tvelocity | in mirc? |
| 21:08:12 | amiconn | No need for fancy scripts |
| 21:08:14 | tvelocity | mirc is teh sux |
| 21:08:15 | tvelocity | :P |
| 21:08:54 | Mikachu | i can do /hilight amiconn if i want |
| 21:09:02 | Mikachu | optionally with -color and -actcolor |
| 21:09:31 | Mikachu | (in irssi) |
| 21:09:57 | tvelocity | yeah irssi is great |
| 21:09:59 | qwm | :> |
| 21:10:09 | qwm | so, when is 3.0 coming out? |
| 21:10:16 | qwm | wasn'it supposed to come may 15th? |
| 21:10:44 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 21:10:48 | XavierGr | ? |
| 21:11:13 | Mikachu | maybe you could read the first sentence in the topic :) |
| 21:11:21 | XavierGr | I used x-chat and didn't had it.I used also HydraIRC but I couldn't find such feature. |
| 21:11:31 | qwm | Mikachu: no date there. :p |
| 21:11:39 | * | ender` thinks the release date should be set to Friday (but don't specify which friday) |
| 21:11:41 | tvelocity | i want a gui version of irssi:P |
| 21:11:48 | Mikachu | there was an xirssi |
| 21:11:51 | Mikachu | it sucks though |
| 21:11:56 | XavierGr | then with mirc it took me 2 days to learn how to script but at least I managed to do it. |
| 21:12:00 | tvelocity | yeah |
| 21:12:12 | tvelocity | mirc's scripting sucks bollocks |
| 21:12:17 | ender` | XavierGr: in hydrairc, go to hilights in settings |
| 21:12:20 | amiconn | XavierGr: In HydraIRC: Options->Preferences->Buddy groupds->Notifications |
| 21:12:22 | tvelocity | you can script x-chat in python and perl. even in C |
| 21:12:37 | Mikachu | you can "script" all open source clients in C :) |
| 21:12:50 | XavierGr | will that highlight only the word (that I want) or the whole line? |
| 21:12:56 | tvelocity | not without recompiling:P |
| 21:13:07 | Mikachu | you can add modules to irssi dynamically |
| 21:13:18 | Mikachu | and you can upgrade irssi without disconnecting |
| 21:13:26 | tvelocity | yes irssi is teh pwn |
| 21:13:28 | XavierGr | Because now each dev-nick has its own front and back colour. |
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| 21:13:36 | XavierGr | So a quick look on the colour and I know who is talking. |
| 21:13:40 | tvelocity | it eats all other IRC clients for breakfast, even if it is CLI |
| 21:13:41 | ender` | how does upgrading without disconnect work? |
| 21:13:45 | Mikachu | /upgrade |
| 21:13:55 | ender` | (i mean, technically= |
| 21:13:59 | ender` | )* |
| 21:14:02 | Mikachu | ah, i guess it passes some sockets around |
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| 21:14:12 | XavierGr | Very usefull when non-devs chat |
| 21:14:15 | linuxstb | ender`: Are you attempting to talk about Rockbox? |
| 21:14:32 | ender` | about releases? |
| 21:14:34 | ender` | yup :) |
| 21:14:41 | amiconn | Terminal based???? |
| 21:15:07 | amiconn | urgs |
| 21:15:09 | XavierGr | Now what's wrong with some of my mp3s? Windows, iriver firmware, Winamp have no problem with them. Rockbox and foobar report wrong lengths. |
| 21:15:23 | linuxstb | ender`: It seems the plan is to fix the bugs first, then release... |
| 21:15:28 | ender` | then if you don't release on Friday, you can always claim you were earlier than expected :) |
| 21:15:31 | linuxstb | (nothing more specific...) |
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| 21:15:47 | Mikachu | now we just have to sit back and wait for the bugs to be fixed |
| 21:15:56 | linuxstb | That "someone" will be busy... |
| 21:16:03 | ender` | well, you can count on people bugging you when the next release will be :) |
| 21:16:43 | XavierGr | I think on Rockbox front ther should be a big warning informing the average user about it. |
| 21:17:03 | Zendefera | warning about what? |
| 21:17:09 | Mikachu | it |
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| 21:18:36 | Infirit | Hiya, when the the battery indicator in rockbox is 0 (zero) would it then shutdown by itself (not the hardware forcing to power off) |
| 21:18:43 | XavierGr | Zendefera: ABout the 3.0 release. |
| 21:18:55 | Zendefera | oh, I see. |
| 21:19:02 | XavierGr | Zendefera: It seems that it won't be released soon.... |
| 21:19:10 | Zendefera | o. |
| 21:19:15 | Infirit | I am trying to find out more about the batterylife issues on the h300 |
| 21:19:21 | Zendefera | no big deal. :) more time for fixing bugs. |
| 21:20:23 | Infirit | The reason i ask is that the Iriver firmware is reporting much higher values then rockbox |
| 21:20:44 | Infirit | 63 in rockbox but completely full in the iriver firmware |
| 21:21:10 | pixelma | XavierGr: in HydraIRC you can set diffferent types of highlighting/notifications (to give only one word a certain colour and/or backgroundcolour is possible) |
| 21:21:25 | Zendefera | I'm sure that the bettery level algorithms haven't yet been optimized. |
| 21:21:49 | Zendefera | battery I mean |
| 21:22:31 | Infirit | true but if rockbox decides to shutdown when it thinks the battery is empty but in reality the battery is half empty |
| 21:23:03 | Infirit | It could be the explanation why it is reported as being bad |
| 21:24:06 | Infirit | while it realy is not ;-) |
| 21:24:33 | XavierGr | pixelma: seems I missed that. Then I used mIRC learnt how to script and did the feature myself. Now there is no turning back. But at least I got rid of Trillian. |
| 21:25:18 | pixelma | you wouldn't have hasd to script in HydraIRC ;) |
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| 21:27:13 | XavierGr | yes, but I learnt how to make basic scripts. That may come to usage some day. |
| 21:28:30 | tvelocity | mirc's scripting is lame:P just learn python or something:P |
| 21:29:03 | ender` | perl, perl! |
| 21:29:23 | lowlight | Anyone here using the sim? |
| 21:29:41 | tvelocity | i see it coming, someone will yell "ruby! runy!!!111one" now |
| 21:29:48 | tvelocity | ruby* |
| 21:29:50 | linuxstb | lowlight: Are you still investigating resume? |
| 21:30:00 | * | Infirit thinks of python ;-) |
| 21:31:17 | lowlight | linuxstb: kind of...but I'm having a problem with the sim if I play mp3 > flac I get a "FLAC: Error initialising code" |
| 21:31:53 | lowlight | but it doesn't happen on my h140 |
| 21:33:14 | Infirit | so the question is would rockbox shut down the player if the battery level is 0? |
| 21:33:30 | linuxstb | Infirit: I don't think it does, no. |
| 21:33:50 | lowlight | linuxstb: I think resume would be fairly easy to add to flac. Just adapt flac_seek to find a seek point based on the byte offset rather than the sample number. |
| 21:37:06 | linuxstb | lowlight: Yes, FLAC should be OK to just resume from a byte offset. The frames themselves contain a timestamp, so after decoding the first frame, the codec can update the elapsed time accurately. You don't even need to use the seektable. |
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| 21:43:04 | Infirit | linuxstb, Ah so the alleged battery live issues could just be a case of mirepresenting the battery level? |
| 21:43:17 | Infirit | *life |
| 21:43:27 | amiconn | nope |
| 21:43:47 | amiconn | Rocbox never shuts down by itself |
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| 21:44:14 | amiconn | Either the user shuts it down, or it dies from low battery |
| 21:44:45 | Infirit | amiconn, in the last case the hardware is forcing it of. |
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| 21:45:07 | amiconn | It depends... |
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| 21:45:21 | amiconn | With LiIon, yes, the battery protection circuit forces it off |
| 21:45:32 | sharpe | oh, gah... |
| 21:45:58 | Infirit | Ah understood |
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| 21:46:33 | Infirit | So if i can run rockbox for a long time after hitting zero it is likely misrepresenting the actual values. I'll test this tonight. |
| 21:46:48 | Infirit | Is there also a bug report for this pn flyspray |
| 21:46:52 | Infirit | *on |
| 21:47:29 | linuxstb | Yes: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4786 |
| 21:47:35 | amiconn | The battery level meter is only roughly calibrated on iriver |
| 21:47:58 | Mikachu | imo it should never show 0 :) |
| 21:48:06 | amiconn | But I wouldn't say the ability to run at 0% is a bug - it's a nice extra of that unit |
| 21:48:34 | amiconn | The critical levels seem to be slightly different from unit to unit |
| 21:48:37 | Infirit | yeah but if it is in the hours more something is wrong, right |
| 21:48:57 | amiconn | After all, the remaining runtime estimation is just that - an estimation |
| 21:49:14 | Infirit | ok understood |
| 21:49:23 | amiconn | Infirit: Hours more? On what unit? I never observed that... |
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| 21:49:57 | Infirit | amiconn, I noticed that the iriver firmware is reporting full while in rockbox it is 60 on my h3 |
| 21:50:01 | Infirit | *h340 |
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| 21:50:27 | linuxstb | Maybe the iriver firmware is wrong... |
| 21:50:28 | lowlight | linuxstb: yes. I believe updating set_offset will properly save the offset value for resuming. However, there's a "latency" adjustment (playback.c:522) so I was unsure if the offset would correspond to an actual seekpoint. |
| 21:50:31 | * | amiconn has no idea what the original firmware reports |
| 21:50:51 | amiconn | The only thing that I use the original firmware for is usbotg. |
| 21:50:52 | Mikachu | apple firmware reports "full" "almost full" "almost empty" and "empty" :) |
| 21:51:10 | Mikachu | possibly half too |
| 21:51:19 | Infirit | Could be the iriver is wrong but if i can run it for many hours after hitting zero it is verry roughl ;) |
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| 21:51:31 | linuxstb | lowlight: Ah, we definitely don't want that hack in FLAC. |
| 21:51:54 | | Quit lodesi (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) |
| 21:51:56 | linuxstb | .. the decoder wants an exact frame offset. |
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| 21:52:24 | Infirit | And would mean there is no real battery life problem |
| 21:52:31 | Infirit | Just a representing issue |
| 21:52:37 | amiconn | Infirit: I wouldn't care too much about the display in rockbox either as long as the excessive power drain isn't fixed |
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| 21:53:01 | amiconn | Depending on what it is, it may as well influence the battery meter |
| 21:53:27 | Infirit | amiconn, how do you know there is one? |
| 21:53:53 | amiconn | There's definitely one. I performed runtime tests on both my H140 and H340, with the same album |
| 21:53:59 | amiconn | (192kbps mp3) |
| 21:54:23 | amiconn | Since both units have the same cpu and ram, runtime should be very similar |
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| 21:55:18 | amiconn | There's slightly more to draw into the framebuffer on H300, but to account for that, the H300 battery has slightly more capacity, and during my test, the display backlight was off, which implies the display is completely switched off on H300 |
| 21:55:34 | amiconn | Runtime was >19 hours on H140, but a mere 11 hours on H340 |
| 21:55:35 | Infirit | Ah ok, so me trying to figure it out like this is not helping ;) |
| 21:56:26 | Infirit | Thats a big difference in runtime |
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| 21:58:32 | amiconn | Yes it is |
| 21:58:45 | amiconn | That means something is drawing an extra 50..60 mA somewhere |
| 21:59:18 | petur | WTF |
| 21:59:44 | * | petur did a sine recording test and sees the same glitches whatboutbob saw :( |
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| 22:04:09 | petur | petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch1.png">http://petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch1.png |
| 22:04:36 | petur | let's do the same test with the cvs version... |
| 22:04:36 | XavierGr | with or without boost? |
| 22:04:43 | amiconn | Oops... How many samples rae that? |
| 22:04:45 | petur | this was without boost |
| 22:04:47 | amiconn | *are |
| 22:05:37 | XavierGr | petur: Ah okay *phew* for one moment I thought that H100 has glitchy recording.... |
| 22:05:52 | petur | ~87 samples |
| 22:06:28 | amiconn | 2 ms |
| 22:06:32 | amiconn | strange... |
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| 22:06:47 | amiconn | Was that completely without boost, or with selective boost? |
| 22:07:32 | petur | boost at write (which shouldn't have occurred as this is at the beginning of a recording) |
| 22:08:07 | amiconn | Hmm, but perhaps an unboost happened there? |
| 22:08:17 | amiconn | Do you have backlight fading enabled? |
| 22:08:24 | amiconn | Ah, forget it |
| 22:08:26 | petur | errr... no boost at all I think (where did my version go) |
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| 22:08:48 | * | amiconn forgot that petur has a H300 |
| 22:08:57 | petur | yeppers ;) |
| 22:09:04 | sharpe | quick, what player does sharpe have?! |
| 22:09:40 | amiconn | petur: No glitches with cvs recording? |
| 22:10:00 | petur | wait a bit.... ;) |
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| 22:14:58 | linuxstb | lowlight: Looking at the codec_set_offset_callback(), I'm thinking it should be remembering the offset values for the last N frames, in order to accurately take account of the latency. |
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| 22:18:03 | petur | amiconn: cvs build is perrrrfect |
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| 22:22:49 | petur | duh... the glitchy recording was with boost/unboost at diskwrite |
| 22:23:07 | * | petur must clean up his heap of test builds |
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| 22:27:48 | petur | something's still not quite ok with usb too :( |
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| 22:32:41 | petur | no glitches when recording without boost (and no boosting while writing) |
| 22:33:43 | amiconn | Hmm, so it's the boost and/or unboost |
| 22:33:59 | amiconn | 2 ms looks like the pll relock time |
| 22:34:20 | amiconn | But the audio clocks should be available even during transition |
| 22:34:28 | petur | I'm now building a version with boost/unboost again (the first one contained other modifs too) |
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| 22:35:31 | amiconn | What's irritating is that the waveform looks 'stretched', as if there were extra samples inserted |
| 22:35:50 | amiconn | Too bad that the periods aren't 'numbered' |
| 22:36:04 | amiconn | Are the glitches present in both channels? |
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| 22:36:47 | * | petur points to the screenshot :) |
| 22:36:58 | amiconn | Meh, silly question... |
| 22:37:47 | amiconn | Could you record with 2 different sine waves per channel, which are correlated but by a non-trivial ratio? |
| 22:38:07 | lowlight | linuxstb: can't say I really understand the latency thing. I guess it's to take into account that there's decoded samples in the pcmbuf that haven't been played. |
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| 22:38:56 | linuxstb | Yes - if you just resumed to the point that was last decoded, it would be a couple of seconds (I'm not sure on the latency value) after the last sound you heard. |
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| 22:39:33 | petur | amiconn: must look again what I'm doing here, my last test (with boost/unboost) has no glitch either :( :( |
| 22:40:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: Afaik, the latency depends on whether crossfade is enabled or not |
| 22:41:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: I guessed it would. Any idea what the range is? |
| 22:44:21 | amiconn | I guess the canonical latency is around 0.5 sec. Then the total crossfade time will be added to that |
| 22:44:40 | * | amiconn never uses crossfade |
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| 22:54:25 | aghaster | hi |
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| 23:02:01 | sharpe | blargle!! |
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| 23:14:29 | lostlogic | the pcmbuf is always at least 2 seconds, which means the latency is up-to 2 seconds by default. the crossfade time is added to _that_ |
| 23:15:13 | lostlogic | wait, I might be wrong, and it might be 3 seconds by default, or 2 seconds plus crossfade length |
| 23:15:20 | lostlogic | see set_crossfade in playback.c |
| 23:15:30 | linuxstb | I was wondering about that - when crossfade is in progress, the first track has already been decoded, and the decoder has moved onto the next one. |
| 23:15:31 | lostlogic | oh, and lowlight left before I started yapping, blah. |
| 23:15:43 | linuxstb | Ah, I didn't notice that either... |
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| 23:17:45 | amiconn | Why 2 full seconds? |
| 23:17:52 | amiconn | Sounds quite much to me... |
| 23:19:48 | reset | Is there any way to use my iTrip with Rockbox and iPod Nano? |
| 23:19:49 | lostlogic | amiconn: beats me... it depends on the cost of boosting the CPU how much is worth having. |
| 23:20:24 | amiconn | Hmm, the boost... |
| 23:21:18 | linuxstb | reset: No, I don't think they work. Rockbox doesn't communicate with any ipod accessories yet. |
| 23:22:11 | reset | too bad.. hope they manage to fix this :) |
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| 23:22:18 | linuxstb | I hope they do as well. |
| 23:22:46 | Acksaw | does anyone know what the term for things like VBR and CBR is? |
| 23:23:08 | Acksaw | say someone is asking what the .... is i would say either cbr or vbr |
| 23:23:09 | linuxstb | reset: You can use any generic FM transmitter instead though. |
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| 23:25:16 | reset | linuxstb: Yeah, but i already bought my iTrip ;) |
| 23:25:24 | linuxstb | ACK54W: No, I don't think there's a term for that. Someone would just ask if a stream was CBR. (or if a stream was VBR). |
| 23:25:37 | ACK54W | i see |
| 23:25:38 | ACK54W | thanks |
| 23:26:45 | linuxstb | reset: Have you tried it? |
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| 23:27:05 | reset | linuxstb: the iTrip? Yes, won't start up.. |
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| 23:46:45 | preglow | lostlogic: reiterating a question here, any reason why codec_pcmbuf_insert_split_callback doesn't just wait with calling dsp_process until it has room for the entire chunk to fit in the pcmbuf? |
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| 23:58:58 | petur | rofl |
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