| 00:03:22 | * | BHSPitMonkey burns a petur |
| 00:03:40 | * | petur hates the heat |
| 00:04:00 | * | BHSPitMonkey knows this |
| 00:04:05 | * | BHSPitMonkey continues |
| 00:04:17 | * | sharpe feels left out. sharpe goes off to code something. |
| 00:04:19 | | Quit wooo () |
| 00:04:58 | | Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-54-164.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:05:28 | preglow | don't hate the heat |
| 00:05:32 | preglow | i miss the damn bugger |
| 00:06:10 | | Quit midkay ("Leaving") |
| 00:07:33 | | Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) |
| 00:07:42 | qwm | anyone present? |
| 00:07:46 | qwm | when did midk quit? |
| 00:08:02 | Quarryman | midkay? |
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| 00:09:23 | Strath | 21:07 cst |
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| 00:10:12 | Strath | and 17:05 cst (again :) ) |
| 00:10:22 | qwm | cst as in cest? |
| 00:10:34 | qwm | no |
| 00:10:36 | Strath | central standard time |
| 00:10:42 | qwm | central waht?! |
| 00:10:42 | qwm | :p |
| 00:10:54 | Strath | US :P |
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| 00:11:12 | qwm | pff. :p |
| 00:11:21 | qwm | such arrogant names on your time zones. |
| 00:11:22 | qwm | :p |
| 00:11:30 | Strath | 1 minute before you joined |
| 00:11:36 | qwm | haha. |
| 00:11:39 | qwm | how.. typical. |
| 00:11:52 | qwm | <- cest btw |
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| 00:21:34 | | Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3036.gwdg.de) |
| 00:23:35 | | Quit Spiv (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:23:59 | petur | PaulJam: sorry to hear about the UDA.... |
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| 00:29:36 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
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| 00:39:28 | XavierGr | Paul: What happened with your UDA? |
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| 00:40:01 | * | petur hands XavierGr some glasses |
| 00:40:24 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd != PaulJam |
| 00:40:55 | XavierGr | oops |
| 00:41:11 | XavierGr | I already wear glasses in order to see :p |
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| 00:42:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | My sighs were about the fact that I just saw my first spam in the forum... and subsequently issued my first ban. |
| 00:43:20 | XavierGr | I have 7 degress of myopia. |
| 00:43:29 | preglow | and i have beer! |
| 00:43:30 | petur | you'll get used to it |
| 00:43:40 | XavierGr | Paul: You did the right thing. Good job. |
| 00:44:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it was two and a half pages of advertisement for buying and selling cellphones, and an email address... It was a little bit more than simply "off topic" :) |
| 00:44:31 | Mode | "#RockBox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 00:44:34 | XavierGr | anyway what happened to PaulJam's UDA? Broke? |
| 00:44:40 | Mode | "#RockBox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 00:44:42 | preglow | floops |
| 00:45:27 | petur | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4584.0 |
| 00:45:30 | XavierGr | preglow: why, get an OP. You should see the MR channel. 7 ops out of 8 people. |
| 00:45:43 | XavierGr | LOL and they were kicking each other! |
| 00:45:52 | PaulJam | XavierGr: the volume on the right channel is very low and niosy |
| 00:46:00 | preglow | mr channel? |
| 00:46:31 | XavierGr | preglow: misticriver channel |
| 00:46:48 | preglow | there is one? |
| 00:47:58 | XavierGr | yes at zuh.net |
| 00:48:08 | BHSPitMonkey | wow, over 1000 nicks in #ubuntu |
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| 00:48:46 | XavierGr | PaulJam: Damn sorry to hear that! I remeber one guy managed to resolder a new UDA, after that his unit was like new. |
| 00:48:54 | preglow | BHSPitMonkey: #ubuntu is hell |
| 00:49:06 | preglow | BHSPitMonkey: i've tried asking for something at least a dozen times, i've never had a reply |
| 00:49:07 | BHSPitMonkey | well, I'm not a fan of crowded chats |
| 00:49:09 | petur | PaulJam: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4433.0 (at the bottom) |
| 00:49:21 | BHSPitMonkey | preglow: how bout you get up and JFGI? |
| 00:49:23 | BHSPitMonkey | ;) |
| 00:49:54 | preglow | BHSPitMonkey: this one is getting crowded too |
| 00:49:55 | preglow | jfgi?? |
| 00:50:02 | preglow | ahaha |
| 00:50:03 | preglow | right |
| 00:50:06 | BHSPitMonkey | :) |
| 00:50:09 | preglow | i googled that |
| 00:50:12 | BHSPitMonkey | this is crowded, but mostly idling |
| 00:50:13 | preglow | which is a bit ironic :P |
| 00:50:31 | BHSPitMonkey | scrolling is annoying, not necessarily the population |
| 00:51:05 | preglow | but anywho |
| 00:51:08 | preglow | gotta bed |
| 00:51:10 | preglow | have fun |
| 00:51:30 | XavierGr | bye, gnight |
| 00:52:25 | BHSPitMonkey | nite |
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| 00:55:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, at this very moment, I think if I had one wish, it would be that when people said "Freezing" they meant "The player ceases to respond" rather than what seems to be an almost equally common case "the music skips" |
| 00:55:52 | sharpe | i think of freezing in the first sense... |
| 00:56:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | To me freezing definitely means a cease of responsiveness for a generally decent period of time, if not permanently. |
| 00:57:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | A half-second skip in music every 15 seconds is not, to me, "freezing" but it seems to be to a lot of people, creating general confusion when people chime in saying "I have the same problem" |
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| 00:58:25 | sharpe | skipping is addressed in the FAQ, is it not? |
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| 00:58:47 | ender` | i've had a freeze about a week ago - first the player went nuts (started skipping songs for a few seconds), then it froze, and i had to borrow a paperclip to reset it |
| 00:59:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Definitely. I put it there myself. |
| 00:59:22 | sharpe | heh |
| 00:59:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean it's possible someone snuck in and removed it simply to thwart me, but I honestly find that conclusion unlikely at best. |
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| 01:00 |
| 01:00:07 | sharpe | just like my undetected removal of the ipod's 1.2ghz processor possiblility. muahaha. |
| 01:01:04 | | Quit ender` (" Read what I mean, not what I write.") |
| 01:01:11 | sharpe | wha... |
| 01:01:55 | sharpe | "Is "No File" error related to headphone detection?" i know it's about the playback, but it just sounds kind of like a redundant question... sort of... in my own sense. |
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| 01:02:10 | XavierGr | IMHO there should be a sticky in forums saying: Alwasy carry a paperclip while using Rockbox :p |
| 01:02:11 | sharpe | er, whatever the person's question was. |
| 01:02:14 | sharpe | or probelm. |
| 01:02:16 | sharpe | problem. |
| 01:02:18 | sharpe | i'll stop now. |
| 01:05:00 | sharpe | i just need to find something to keep me occupied. |
| 01:05:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points to the list of bugs in the tracker. |
| 01:05:41 | * | sharpe refers to the fact that most of the bugs are due to something he doesn't have knowledge of, and when they are, they're for a player other than the one he uses. |
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| 01:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just because you don't have the player, doesn't mean you can't figure out where the code is doing something wrong. |
| 01:06:38 | sharpe | i know, but it gives me a reason to not try to fix bugs. :) |
| 01:06:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | A clearly transparent one. |
| 01:07:07 | sharpe | yes. |
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| 01:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do not complain of needing to keep occupied until you're willing to do ANYTHING to keep occupied. :-P |
| 01:07:20 | sharpe | heheh |
| 01:07:59 | XavierGr | sharpe: what about SIDE? |
| 01:08:09 | XavierGr | You promised to make a patch... |
| 01:08:24 | sharpe | there's still that one problem, and i can't figure it out. midkay hasn't taken a look at it either. |
| 01:08:36 | midkay | like it's my responsibility. :) |
| 01:08:39 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:08:49 | XavierGr | ah so midkay has to source? |
| 01:08:55 | XavierGr | to = ther |
| 01:09:02 | XavierGr | argh |
| 01:09:04 | sharpe | aye, you want it? :) |
| 01:09:05 | midkay | your port, your patch, your code.. i don't really plan on looking at it. :) |
| 01:09:06 | XavierGr | I mean the |
| 01:09:31 | XavierGr | sharpe: is it on a rockbox compatible state? |
| 01:09:46 | sharpe | ... yes... |
| 01:09:52 | XavierGr | then sure |
| 01:10:07 | sharpe | email? or something else? or what? |
| 01:10:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know you could always post it to the tracker with a note "Has X bug still" |
| 01:10:28 | sharpe | yeh, but it's not too much of use then. |
| 01:10:34 | XavierGr | email it at <my nick> at g mail . com |
| 01:10:40 | sharpe | ah. |
| 01:10:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone else might fix the bug, or figure it out, though |
| 01:10:45 | sharpe | yes, i know. |
| 01:11:02 | XavierGr | I agree with Paul_The_Nerd. It doesn't matter if it has a major bug. |
| 01:11:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's what the patch tracker is _for_ :-P |
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| 01:11:29 | midkay | agreed, but i personally also do not really like doing that. :) |
| 01:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Feature Request: Someone fix it for me! Incomplete Space InvaDers Emulator." |
| 01:11:44 | sharpe | tis sent! |
| 01:11:56 | midkay | it just feels weird.. dunno.. not finishing something and posting it, or even "letting people mess with it before it's done".. |
| 01:11:58 | sharpe | then that makes me sound kind of... weird... |
| 01:12:45 | sharpe | i agree with midkay on said things... |
| 01:13:06 | midkay | just opinion/personal decision, of course.. |
| 01:13:11 | midkay | not something i like to do, though. |
| 01:14:13 | sharpe | oh, and you should be able to figure out where the rom is needed to be placed. |
| 01:16:38 | XavierGr | ok |
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| 01:17:37 | sharpe | uses the same rom as SIDE does, and i just roughly ported things, so it isn't the fastest of everything. |
| 01:18:26 | XavierGr | thanks for sending it, I will look to it when I feel like it... |
| 01:18:52 | sharpe | you're welcome |
| 01:19:46 | petur | hahaha Grumpy ol' Paul_The_Nerd :p |
| 01:19:57 | sharpe | and thanks for that remote possibility of looking at it. heheh... |
| 01:21:51 | sharpe | ah |
| 01:21:52 | sharpe | idea |
| 01:21:53 | sharpe | ! |
| 01:22:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I figure I deserve 1 grumpy post for ever 100 good ones. |
| 01:22:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | By that, I think I'm still owed about 15 grumpy ones. |
| 01:22:29 | petur | you have all the rights |
| 01:22:36 | sharpe | and one spiteful ban for every 1000 nice posts. |
| 01:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is actually only one person on the whole forum that I just have an irrational urge to ban. |
| 01:23:25 | sharpe | ah, who would that be? |
| 01:23:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, not counting the spammer and stuff like that, as those are not only rational but valid reasons to ban someone |
| 01:23:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, I'm not telling who it is. |
| 01:23:44 | sharpe | oooh. |
| 01:23:52 | ashridah | yay! witchhunt! |
| 01:24:05 | * | ashridah gets out the trial manual |
| 01:24:11 | sharpe | obligatory quote, "we found a witch, may we burn her?" |
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| 01:24:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, it's a totally irrational urge. It's a "This person irritates me, for a variety of small repetitive reasons" |
| 01:24:59 | sharpe | heh... |
| 01:25:06 | ashridah | aah yeah. you run into people who do that from time to time. |
| 01:25:18 | sharpe | ah, the consequences of being nice. |
| 01:25:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though, oddly enough, I have a 100% valid reason to delete his account and prevent him from registering again for a short period, but it'd be somewhat petty to do so. |
| 01:25:49 | sharpe | but, my idea is one of... kind of... not greatly useful. |
| 01:25:53 | ashridah | my personal favorite was the guy who claimed "yeah, but getting n^2 complexity is 'good enough'" simply because he took the computing theory lecturer literally |
| 01:26:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 01:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, people who trust lecturers... what can you do with 'em? |
| 01:27:14 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: well, he failed to consider that the operation needed to happen within a threashold of time, a few hundred times a second :) |
| 01:27:28 | sharpe | what was the operation? |
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| 01:28:02 | ashridah | sharpe: an algorithm for ensuring that cars and reservations fit together. turned out to be NP-complete, nothign we could do about it in the end |
| 01:28:11 | sharpe | ah. |
| 01:28:34 | ashridah | darnit. |
| 01:28:38 | * | ashridah must head to uni |
| 01:28:42 | ashridah | :s |
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| 01:29:10 | sharpe | ohes noes. |
| 01:29:17 | petur | hmmm on the fly gain isn't always without danger: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch3.png |
| 01:29:32 | sharpe | ooh. |
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| 01:32:33 | sharpe | i think i'll go play some games. then work on something. |
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| 01:48:46 | petur | amiconn: still around |
| 01:52:16 | * | petur is off to bed |
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| 03:17:43 | earHertz | for the arm-elf toolchaion, how do I compile crt0.o, the c runtime library? |
| 03:23:52 | sharpe | wouldn't it already be compiled, if it's an object? |
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| 03:25:17 | earHertz | yeah, but it's not needed for rockbox |
| 03:25:26 | sharpe | oh. |
| 03:25:29 | sharpe | righto. |
| 03:25:49 | earHertz | rockbox isn't a "hosted implementation", that is, there's no expectation of a the standard C lib. |
| 03:25:58 | sharpe | i know... |
| 03:26:03 | earHertz | we have parts of the lib, to make life weasier, but not the whole thing |
| 03:28:43 | earHertz | bebian doesn't know about bunzip2?? |
| 03:35:49 | aghaster | bebian? lol |
| 03:40:16 | * | earHertz can't type |
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| 03:52:02 | earHertz | ipod big endian or little? |
| 03:53:01 | sharpe | big |
| 03:53:06 | earHertz | tanks |
| 03:53:34 | earHertz | ipod MMU? |
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| 03:54:07 | sharpe | you mean, if it has one? or... |
| 03:54:11 | earHertz | yah |
| 03:54:16 | sharpe | i believe so... |
| 03:54:19 | earHertz | thaks |
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| 03:55:17 | Davide-NYC | linuxstb, amiconn, or preglow any of you interested in a 2nd Gen iPod? |
| 03:56:03 | sharpe | what about sharpe? ;) |
| 03:56:22 | Davide-NYC | I was told to ping those three via IRC |
| 03:56:26 | Davide-NYC | so I am |
| 03:56:28 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
| 03:56:34 | sharpe | i know |
| 03:56:38 | sharpe | i was just kidding... |
| 03:56:42 | Davide-NYC | NP |
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| 04:19:52 | * | Falco98 sighs heavily |
| 04:20:22 | aghaster | is there documentation about how to write rockbox plugins? |
| 04:20:40 | aghaster | i'd like to read that. |
| 04:20:47 | Galois | yes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
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| 04:21:09 | sharpe | how aptly named... |
| 04:21:14 | aghaster | lol |
| 04:21:15 | aghaster | thanks :) |
| 04:23:31 | * | aghaster begins to read |
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| 04:25:50 | earHertz | anyone else usig teh vmware debian for rockbox? |
| 04:26:42 | | Quit hardeep ("[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!") |
| 04:30:55 | aghaster | earHertz: why not real linux? |
| 04:31:04 | * | aghaster runs linux gentoo |
| 04:31:15 | aghaster | btw the rockboxdev.sh tool is very handy |
| 04:31:24 | BHSPitMonkey | anyone else running "teh" spell checker? |
| 04:31:34 | earHertz | Because windows xps works, and linuxes seem to have ugluier fonts. |
| 04:31:40 | aghaster | xchat doesn't let me type t.e.h. |
| 04:31:41 | aghaster | lol |
| 04:31:48 | aghaster | HAHA |
| 04:31:54 | BHSPitMonkey | me neither |
| 04:31:56 | BHSPitMonkey | hence the quotes |
| 04:32:06 | aghaster | well, sorry to tell you fonts can be changed and customized? |
| 04:32:14 | aghaster | anyway, i gotta go. |
| 04:32:17 | aghaster | good night |
| 04:32:27 | BHSPitMonkey | nite |
| 04:32:38 | earHertz | I mean, what with cygwin and knoppix and the vmplayer, I've warmed up to linux a lot. and prefer it for writing code. But... windows I'm used to. |
| 04:32:50 | aghaster | make the big jump. i did. |
| 04:32:55 | aghaster | i feel happy now |
| 04:32:55 | aghaster | lol |
| 04:33:03 | BHSPitMonkey | earHertz: then use linux with KDE to start off with, you'll feel at home :P |
| 04:33:17 | earHertz | why jump when I canhavd the best of both? |
| 04:33:18 | aghaster | err, KDE |
| 04:33:20 | aghaster | i run gnome |
| 04:33:46 | BHSPitMonkey | similarly-located items, comparable bloat, resource hog... you'll forget you're in linux ;) |
| 04:34:18 | aghaster | and you'll significantly reduce warez usage XDF |
| 04:34:22 | earHertz | ok, recommaned a vmplayer linux with a big roomy disk |
| 04:34:27 | aghaster | (don't tell me you run legal vmware?) |
| 04:34:39 | BHSPitMonkey | "<earHertz> why jump when I canhavd the best of both?" <−− sorry, but what's the "best" of windows? |
| 04:34:42 | earHertz | the legal player, not the costly workstation |
| 04:34:49 | aghaster | ok |
| 04:34:51 | BHSPitMonkey | aghaster: vmware's kinda free |
| 04:34:59 | aghaster | ah? |
| 04:35:02 | BHSPitMonkey | player and server beta |
| 04:35:06 | aghaster | somebody forgot to told me that. |
| 04:35:06 | aghaster | lol |
| 04:36:06 | aghaster | windows is definitly not a system for a hacker anyway. |
| 04:36:15 | aghaster | unless you are a warez monkey |
| 04:36:25 | aghaster | which i don't consider to be a hacker :P |
| 04:36:33 | earHertz | all my softwarwe is legal, and most is Open source |
| 04:36:45 | aghaster | thats good |
| 04:37:02 | aghaster | but your OS isn't :P feel free to experience real freedom |
| 04:37:23 | aghaster | anyway, good night. |
| 04:37:28 | earHertz | night ;) |
| 04:40:30 | Galois | if fonts is your main reason for using windows, try http://corefonts.sf.net/ |
| 04:41:45 | earHertz | thanks. But it's not just fonmts, honestly, it's that windows is what I'm confortable with. and with cygwin amd vmware, why choose only one OS? |
| 04:42:43 | Galois | I do more or less the opposite, linux is my main system and I use rdesktop.sf.net for windows |
| 04:43:27 | earHertz | whatever works best for you |
| 04:43:50 | sharpe | i use teh windows... |
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| 04:49:09 | sharpe | of course, i get no response. |
| 04:50:45 | earHertz | you are not 1337 |
| 04:50:48 | earHertz | ;) |
| 04:51:33 | sharpe | meh... |
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| 05:00:06 | * | Falco98 passes a mailbox every day with big white numbers on it reading "1337" |
| 05:00:34 | earHertz | Basements have their own mailboxes now? |
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| 05:01:19 | BHSPitMonkey | earHertz: why not run windows inside a virtual machine in linux? |
| 05:02:27 | earHertz | Because of legal issues: since windows isn't free and neitehr is vm workshop, I'd need to eiterh purchase workshop of somwehoow give my authorized copy of windowws to someone who hhas it. Too much trouble. |
| 05:02:55 | Falco98 | basements? |
| 05:03:21 | earHertz | jokre |
| 05:03:24 | Falco98 | oh i get it, you're implying that i live only in a basement. heh. |
| 05:03:32 | earHertz | geeljks living in tyheir mothers' basements |
| 05:03:45 | earHertz | no, that the person with teh mailbox does |
| 05:03:52 | BHSPitMonkey | did you just pass out on the keyboard? |
| 05:04:10 | earHertz | i type basdly |
| 05:04:18 | BHSPitMonkey | I believe you |
| 05:05:12 | earHertz | That's why I prefer emasil to irc |
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| 05:09:45 | sharpe | g'night everyone. |
| 05:09:52 | Kratos | aight bye |
| 05:09:56 | earHertz | night |
| 05:13:41 | Xinux | WOOOO |
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| 05:29:45 | saab_rider | good morning everyone |
| 05:30:15 | saab_rider | markun: hi markun, been a long time! |
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| 05:30:53 | saab_rider | anyone in the mood to help me with cygwin? |
| 05:32:11 | earHertz | saab_rider: what's the prob? |
| 05:33:09 | saab_rider | earHertz: Hi! this is the second time I install cygwin, and I'm facing the same problem I had last time, only I can't remember the soloution :P |
| 05:33:30 | saab_rider | and the machine with my first install died :) |
| 05:34:00 | earHertz | ok, what's the problem? |
| 05:34:29 | saab_rider | basically, I installed cygwin, but don't know how to start it... some sort of problem with "bash" |
| 05:34:58 | earHertz | what happens when you click the icon? |
| 05:35:22 | saab_rider | 'bash' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 05:35:55 | saab_rider | that's what I get when I try to run cygwin from the command propmpt |
| 05:36:09 | earHertz | yeah, it's not pathed |
| 05:36:16 | earHertz | run it from the cygwin icon |
| 05:36:46 | saab_rider | when I run it from the icon, it momentarely opens the cmd then closes |
| 05:36:49 | earHertz | or( it's teh same thig), run c:\cygwin/cygwin.bat |
| 05:37:09 | earHertz | ok, try the cygwin.bat form the cmd line |
| 05:37:55 | saab_rider | that is what I did, and I got the message about bash |
| 05:38:58 | earHertz | from the dos command line, chdir to c:\cygwin\bash |
| 05:39:09 | earHertz | do a dir, see what's in there |
| 05:40:29 | earHertz | er4, I mean, c:\cygwin\bin |
| 05:40:51 | saab_rider | h |
| 05:40:53 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 05:41:41 | saab_rider | ok, then? |
| 05:41:51 | earHertz | is there a bash.exe in there? |
| 05:42:25 | saab_rider | nope :( |
| 05:43:01 | earHertz | ok, that's a problem |
| 05:43:36 | earHertz | reinstall cygwin |
| 05:44:44 | saab_rider | bare with me, could copying a bash.exe file into the directory solve it? (bash.exe from another install on another machine).. I know it sounds silly |
| 05:44:59 | earHertz | who knows what else is missing |
| 05:45:06 | earHertz | do a complete reinstall |
| 05:45:19 | saab_rider | ok.. |
| 05:46:29 | earHertz | and I've got to go. ask in #cygwin |
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| 05:49:30 | saab_rider | earhertz: thanks a lot! |
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| 06:46:14 | jimstr978 | just installed rockbox on 5th gen ipod.. im upping music to try it out |
| 06:47:00 | jimstr978 | this thing seems to owns.. I was using ipw via virtuapc on a os x machine.. now this seems to be even better than just using ipw.. |
| 06:47:46 | jimstr978 | anyone w/ a 5th gen 60gb that used the patch to change some buffer from 32 to 64mb? |
| 06:48:02 | jimstr978 | does this matter? hello? 8) |
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| 07:19:24 | jimstr978 | what would i have to do in a wps file to cancel a black background and using a bmp file as the background? anyone up? |
| 07:20:23 | jimstr978 | can I just pull a line of code and use: %X|jb.bmp| at the end of the file? |
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| 09:21:29 | bobTHC | hi folks ! |
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| 09:23:47 | BHSPitMonkey | hi folk! |
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| 09:35:14 | markun | hi bobTHC, long time ago.. |
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| 09:40:11 | bobTHC | indeed, markun... |
| 09:40:13 | bobTHC | :) |
| 09:40:38 | bobTHC | too much work this year |
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| 09:42:55 | petur | amiconn: you here? |
| 09:46:17 | bobTHC | what about the native port of rockbox for the chinese device ? |
| 09:46:44 | bobTHC | any news ? |
| 09:46:45 | B4gder | nothing new there |
| 09:46:50 | bobTHC | :/ |
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| 09:47:50 | petur | B4gder: nice progress with sandisk |
| 09:47:56 | B4gder | indeed |
| 09:48:05 | B4gder | it'll be very interesting |
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| 10:04:00 | * | preglow prays harder for portalplayer docs |
| 10:04:58 | petur | hehe |
| 10:07:16 | preglow | pp5024 looks similar to the other pp502x, at least |
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| 10:11:26 | merbanan | B4gder: is it still just the initial contact with sandisk ? |
| 10:11:39 | B4gder | no, its proceeding |
| 10:11:52 | B4gder | they're gonna send us stuff |
| 10:12:28 | B4gder | or rather send it to me |
| 10:12:30 | crwl | what kind of device was that? |
| 10:12:39 | B4gder | sandisk sansa e200 |
| 10:12:56 | merbanan | real nice, is there any more public inforamtion about that ? |
| 10:13:30 | B4gder | about their offer or the player you mean? |
| 10:13:38 | merbanan | their offer |
| 10:13:39 | crwl | what's that microSD anyway, something superduper-expensive and limited-capacity compared to standard SD? |
| 10:13:43 | markun | B4gder: 2GB is the smallest they have, right? |
| 10:13:59 | B4gder | crwl: micro-SD is a "standard" memory card |
| 10:14:05 | B4gder | super small |
| 10:14:10 | B4gder | 15x11 mm |
| 10:14:42 | B4gder | merbanan: I haven't made much more public yet, as I prefer to see what they actuall send me until I do that |
| 10:14:48 | crwl | B4gder, ah, ok. doesn't seem to be even too expensive |
| 10:15:22 | B4gder | a micro-SD is about 1/4 of the size of a regular SD |
| 10:15:36 | merbanan | B4gder: ok |
| 10:15:59 | dwihno | B4gder: oh, do tell! |
| 10:16:01 | markun | I wonder if you will receive the US version (with FM tuner) |
| 10:16:25 | dwihno | or give a mailing list reference |
| 10:16:30 | B4gder | dwihno: we're in contact with SanDisk USA and they have expressed a desire to see Rockbox ported to their Sansa e200 players |
| 10:17:01 | dwihno | B4gder: aha! interesting! |
| 10:17:11 | B4gder | its only on the committers list so far (== not publicly disclosed) |
| 10:18:19 | dwihno | have they told you why there's interest in rockbox? |
| 10:18:27 | dwihno | I mean, they already got their own fw for the sansa... |
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| 10:18:56 | B4gder | "We specifically like the expanded format supports and *gapless playback**/**crossfading* features." |
| 10:20:20 | dwihno | One of my favorite rockbox things has to be the buffer system |
| 10:20:31 | dwihno | also wps and fonts is really nice |
| 10:21:17 | preglow | i wonder if they've got a failproof system like apple and iaudio |
| 10:21:38 | petur | I think they have |
| 10:21:48 | preglow | then hooray |
| 10:21:57 | markun | I read that Rasterman (of Enlightenment) is working with Neuros to create a super slick UI for their new device |
| 10:22:24 | merbanan | just a question about mp3 playback |
| 10:22:42 | dwihno | preglow: "failproof"? |
| 10:22:47 | B4gder | markun: yeah, shows their focus... |
| 10:22:48 | merbanan | did anyone evaluate other fixedpoint decoders then libmad ? |
| 10:22:53 | preglow | merbanan: i did |
| 10:22:58 | merbanan | and the real one |
| 10:23:12 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/cf-mpegdec_rockbox.tar.gz |
| 10:23:16 | preglow | i adapted that to rockbox |
| 10:23:23 | preglow | but i was poorer quality and not too fast anyway |
| 10:23:30 | markun | B4gder: Well, not much else they can work on as they are using closed source codecs. |
| 10:23:37 | B4gder | true |
| 10:23:48 | B4gder | and btw |
| 10:23:59 | B4gder | we're still listed to receive dev boards from them |
| 10:24:13 | preglow | closed source codecs???? |
| 10:24:16 | B4gder | yeah |
| 10:24:19 | preglow | that marks my total disinterest, then |
| 10:24:25 | B4gder | but |
| 10:24:32 | B4gder | I'm only interested in that to run rockbox on it |
| 10:25:07 | preglow | will the main core still be good enough to decode data without the dsp? |
| 10:25:11 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:25:21 | B4gder | its way fast |
| 10:25:22 | preglow | hrhrm, ok |
| 10:25:30 | merbanan | preglow: did you test the ffmpeg one also ? |
| 10:25:37 | B4gder | they don't decode audio with dsp at all, afaik |
| 10:25:38 | preglow | merbanan: no, is it fixed point |
| 10:25:39 | preglow | ? |
| 10:25:44 | merbanan | yes |
| 10:25:44 | preglow | merbanan: also, does it support layer1/2 ? |
| 10:25:50 | merbanan | yes |
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| 10:25:59 | preglow | merbanan: then that sounds very interesting... |
| 10:26:15 | preglow | B4gder: do they use it at all, then? |
| 10:26:21 | B4gder | video! |
| 10:26:30 | B4gder | TV-out full framrate video |
| 10:26:35 | preglow | i thought some models wouldn't have video |
| 10:26:45 | B4gder | yes, but they still use the same arch |
| 10:27:04 | preglow | merbanan: i can't access their cvs now... |
| 10:27:18 | merbanan | that's coz it retired |
| 10:27:21 | preglow | god, how much audio fun i could squeeze out with a dsp chip |
| 10:27:26 | merbanan | get the svn |
| 10:27:41 | B4gder | however, the dac is controlled by the DSP |
| 10:27:52 | B4gder | so there needs to be _some_ dsp in the audio-only one too |
| 10:27:57 | B4gder | I mean some dsp magic |
| 10:28:00 | preglow | merbanan: right, i can't browase it anymore? |
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| 10:28:25 | preglow | i'd be more than happy to dive into dsp code if it's at all possible, which i guess it isn't |
| 10:28:31 | preglow | 5 band eq is peanuts for one of those things |
| 10:28:44 | linuxstb | merbanan: Do you know the status of the ffmpeg AAC decoder? Is a fixed-point version planned? |
| 10:29:04 | B4gder | preglow: no docs for the chip but there's an assembler available... :-/ Neuros are gonna provide the dsp code as a binary blob to be loaded by the cpu side |
| 10:29:16 | preglow | lucky us |
| 10:29:22 | preglow | bloody retard ti |
| 10:29:31 | preglow | do they think their competitors don't know how their chips work? |
| 10:30:18 | merbanan | linuxstb: the aac decoder is part of ffmpeg SoC, I'll try to convice the mentor to add that requirement |
| 10:30:43 | linuxstb | merbanan: Cool. We should definitely try to get Rockbox in the SoC next year. |
| 10:30:57 | merbanan | preglow: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ffmpeg/trunk/ |
| 10:30:57 | preglow | nice idea |
| 10:31:07 | preglow | and i think we'd be allowed in pretty easily |
| 10:31:21 | linuxstb | And then I need to persuade my employer to let me go back to University... |
| 10:31:26 | preglow | merbanan: doesn't work here |
| 10:31:34 | B4gder | yeah, Rockbox on SoC would be great |
| 10:31:58 | B4gder | I envy the project I'm in that get a whole slew of ambitious guys jumping into new projects |
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| 10:32:37 | merbanan | preglow: works for me, try to checkout the svn |
| 10:32:57 | preglow | but i think rockbox on soc would be very probably to happen if we aplied |
| 10:32:58 | preglow | applied |
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| 10:33:43 | merbanan | preglow: sure look at some the current organizations |
| 10:34:11 | B4gder | but I don't know how to apply |
| 10:34:16 | merbanan | rockbox would be more then qualified |
| 10:34:27 | merbanan | B4gder: try next year |
| 10:35:26 | B4gder | well, I did casually check for how to apply already this year |
| 10:35:51 | B4gder | but failed |
| 10:37:10 | markun | The codec work for ffmpeg could be nice for us too |
| 10:37:34 | preglow | we would need volunteers for mentoring |
| 10:37:48 | markun | merbanan: ah, you just posted that.. |
| 10:38:50 | merbanan | B4gder: http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#timeline |
| 10:40:35 | preglow | what, mentoring orgs get paid too??? |
| 10:40:45 | merbanan | preglow: yes |
| 10:40:54 | preglow | cool |
| 10:41:02 | merbanan | 500$ minus taxes |
| 10:41:13 | preglow | i would have thought bunches of new code would be payment enough :) |
| 10:45:50 | merbanan | well you can say no to the money if you want |
| 10:46:14 | linuxstb | No, beer money is good.... |
| 10:46:56 | petur | I would have expected that answer to come from preglow :p |
| 10:53:57 | markun | preglow: eq in 50 steps per octave from 20Hz to 20kHz is about 500 steps, will that be good enough? |
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| 11:02:54 | preglow | preglow was away |
| 11:03:33 | preglow | markun: depends what you want to do |
| 11:03:50 | preglow | for ordinary eq use, probably, to block out an annoying overtone, probably not |
| 11:09:00 | preglow | anyway, i'm not going to code that |
| 11:09:16 | preglow | 50 steps per octave is probably more than enough |
| 11:09:45 | preglow | something around 40 steps might be better |
| 11:09:55 | preglow | it would also mostly avoid fractional values |
| 11:11:04 | bobTHC | btw, any advancement on the partymode talk ? |
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| 11:17:12 | preglow | markun: sounds like some new settings code would be required for something like that |
| 11:17:16 | preglow | markun: but be my guest :) |
| 11:17:26 | preglow | i'd consider that change for 3.0 for sure |
| 11:17:42 | preglow | linear freq range with no acceleration is most certainly a bug/annoyance/quirk |
| 11:20:42 | preglow | and the lower frequency range is too small, that's for sure |
| 11:20:48 | preglow | never thought about it since i never use it ;) |
| 11:23:17 | bobTHC | to ppl interrested by "party mode" ucan look at my first ideas about that here -> http://honeypot.atspace.com/partymode.TXT |
| 11:24:38 | bobTHC | it's not a real request for the moment, it's more an idea to keep in mind for the future versions of rockbox ( V4, V5 ;) ) |
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| 11:27:22 | merbanan | preglow: there seem to be one float array still in the code, but otherwise fixedpoint |
| 11:28:26 | merbanan | but only in the init |
| 11:30:11 | markun | preglow: I also don't use the EQ :) |
| 11:31:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder what would be the qualifier for whenever the 4.0 release is? What's the next big step? Official multi-codec video support? |
| 11:31:57 | zigford | 4.0 will make a coffe |
| 11:32:01 | zigford | e |
| 11:33:56 | merbanan | Paul_The_Nerd: whats needed for video is a well optimized small screen codec |
| 11:34:40 | merbanan | multi format sound to much, most people recode their videos anyway |
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| 11:36:45 | linuxstb | merbanan: Not sure if you noticed my post to ffmpeg-devel list a few months ago asking for suggestions for the most suitable video codec for Rockbox to support - Michael Niedermayer suggested MPEG-1. |
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| 11:43:36 | preglow | i'd also suggest that |
| 11:43:36 | merbanan | linuxstb: yes, I saw that, mpeg-1 sounds like a good candidate |
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| 11:47:03 | weyer | i have a question. will rockbox installation work on a native gentoo64 box? (i don't have 32bit chroot available) |
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| 11:47:11 | weyer | it's for the ipod mini |
| 11:47:31 | preglow | should |
| 11:47:42 | preglow | i use an athlon64 as my main development platform |
| 11:47:46 | weyer | the gcc command won't build a 64bit binary? |
| 11:47:49 | preglow | ubuntu, though |
| 11:47:50 | preglow | sure |
| 11:47:54 | preglow | 64 bit gcc and all |
| 11:47:58 | weyer | super |
| 11:48:45 | linuxstb | If you just want to install Rockbox, you don't need to compile it yourself though - there are binaries on the website which are automatically built after every CVS change. |
| 11:48:45 | weyer | i'll give it a shot then |
| 11:48:53 | weyer | ah |
| 11:49:12 | weyer | the manual starts with the source, that's why i wondered |
| 11:49:29 | linuxstb | The only issue is the "ipod_fw" installation tool. |
| 11:49:39 | linuxstb | (you'll need to get the source and compile that yourself) |
| 11:49:49 | linuxstb | It's just a single C file though. |
| 11:50:11 | weyer | ah, i thought that was roxbox software itself |
| 11:50:29 | linuxstb | Which instructions are you following? |
| 11:50:35 | weyer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
| 11:51:45 | linuxstb | That's fine. But yes, it's just the ipod_fw tool you need to compile yourself. The rest of that page refers to pre-built binaries which you install on your ipod. |
| 11:51:52 | weyer | indeed |
| 11:52:05 | weyer | thnx for the info |
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| 11:59:19 | weyer | hmm, how do i find out if i have a first or second generation ipod mini? :-) |
| 11:59:35 | linuxstb | Does it have the disk size written on the back? |
| 11:59:59 | weyer | not that i can find |
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| 12:00:06 | linuxstb | Then it's a first gen. |
| 12:00:11 | weyer | k |
| 12:00:42 | linuxstb | But no harm should come if you install the wrong version - it just won't work. |
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| 12:01:06 | weyer | k |
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| 12:01:26 | weyer | then i'll go for 2de generation, 'cos the apple site says only 2d generation had firewire support |
| 12:01:38 | weyer | and i had a firewire cable when i bought it ... |
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| 12:02:50 | amiconn | petur: Now I'm here... |
| 12:03:18 | linuxstb | weyer: I've never heard that. From the ipodlinux wiki (describing the 2nd gen mini): "Differences with 1st Generation include: hard disk size inscribed on the back, click wheel font matches the color of the iPod Mini, better battery life (18hrs)" |
| 12:03:28 | linuxstb | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 12:03:41 | preglow | weyer: does the clickwheel icons have the same colour as the unit? |
| 12:03:58 | weyer | yes |
| 12:04:05 | weyer | http://www.ipod.fr/historique-modele-ipod.php |
| 12:04:06 | preglow | then it sounds like a 2nd gen |
| 12:04:06 | petur | amiconn: any objections that interrupts get stopped while changing recording gain. I think something sometimes gets inbetween setting analog and digital gain, causing a short volume glitch |
| 12:04:17 | weyer | for nouveautes at the ipod mini 2d |
| 12:04:32 | preglow | petur: sounds unlikely it'll happen right there... |
| 12:07:08 | petur | I've seen it twice during my tests. there were several samples between the change of both gian settings |
| 12:07:30 | petur | s/gian/gain |
| 12:08:11 | preglow | well, try it and see |
| 12:08:30 | preglow | perhaps we should have some critical section macros |
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| 12:19:31 | mocker_ | Rockbox is freaking awesome. |
| 12:19:35 | mocker_ | :) |
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| 12:22:18 | weyer | it's a first gen :-) the second generation install didn't work |
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| 12:29:09 | linuxstb | weyer: What happened when you tried to start Rockbox? |
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| 12:38:49 | weyer | linuxstb: it didn't pass the apple logo |
| 12:41:12 | preglow | i've actually had the apple logo FREEZE on my nano |
| 12:41:16 | preglow | kudos to apple for that |
| 12:41:33 | Mikachu | without the rb bootloader? |
| 12:42:49 | weyer | with the rb bootloader (at the end of the install instructions) |
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| 12:53:16 | amiconn | petur: Did you try it? |
| 12:53:39 | amiconn | Perhaps the volume glitch on gain change is a different thing. It might even be unavoidable |
| 12:53:59 | Xinux | I ate my computer. |
| 12:54:06 | zigford | Yum |
| 12:56:31 | Xinux | you guys should put frozen bubble on rb |
| 12:57:15 | linuxstb | Xinux: It already is. |
| 12:57:21 | Xinux | guess i missed |
| 12:57:39 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBubbles |
| 12:59:13 | Xinux | thank ya. |
| 12:59:47 | Mikachu | it isn't frozen bubbles, it just uses the graphics |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:33 | Xinux | thats dumb o.o |
| 13:00:51 | Mikachu | it's the same game, but it isn't a port |
| 13:01:01 | Xinux | oh. |
| 13:02:47 | markun | Xinux: do you know how to program? |
| 13:02:55 | Xinux | party. |
| 13:02:57 | Xinux | partly. |
| 13:03:18 | markun | then maybe you can try to port some games |
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| 13:14:22 | petur | amiconn: no time now, tonight maybe |
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| 13:15:39 | whatboutbob | petur: want latest testing results for norecboost patch? |
| 13:15:48 | petur | shoot |
| 13:16:24 | whatboutbob | analog: there's always a tiny, inaudible glitch around the 5 second mark. |
| 13:16:51 | whatboutbob | at least one analog recording also had an audible glitch at 3mins (during buffer write) |
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| 13:17:44 | whatboutbob | there's glitches or interference or whatever during volume change.. |
| 13:17:57 | petur | volume or gain? |
| 13:18:09 | whatboutbob | volume |
| 13:18:26 | * | petur didn't test that :/ |
| 13:18:53 | whatboutbob | digital: always glitches at the start and end of first mini buffer write around 4 to 6 seconds. |
| 13:19:22 | whatboutbob | there are also random glitches throughout recordings. i couldn't spot a pattern. |
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| 13:19:45 | petur | I wonder what's happening at the beginning of the recording. Is that with/without prerecording, is the hdd spinning or off when you hit rec? |
| 13:19:54 | whatboutbob | ...including during disk writes and volume changes... |
| 13:20:01 | whatboutbob | no pre-recording. |
| 13:20:21 | whatboutbob | i've not noticed the hdd spinning... |
| 13:20:33 | amiconn | whatboutbob: Do you have backlight fading enabled? |
| 13:20:48 | whatboutbob | checking...(but shouldn't) |
| 13:21:00 | zigford | Hey hey. Is there a way to download the entire rockbox-user mailing list? |
| 13:21:17 | zigford | I need something to read on the loo |
| 13:21:41 | whatboutbob | backlight is set to 4 seconds..... |
| 13:21:57 | whatboutbob | fade in set to 500ms |
| 13:22:06 | whatboutbob | fade out: 2seconds... |
| 13:22:11 | amiconn | Fade out is what I'm interested in here |
| 13:22:14 | whatboutbob | that's getting awful close to the timing... |
| 13:22:21 | amiconn | Ok, so it's what I observed |
| 13:22:38 | amiconn | A cpu frequency change causes glitches in spdif recording |
| 13:22:48 | amiconn | (glitches == lost samples) |
| 13:23:04 | amiconn | Strangely enough, it _only_ affects spdif, not analog |
| 13:23:19 | amiconn | Backlight fading boosts the cpu |
| 13:23:48 | whatboutbob | amiconn: analog i always get an inaudible glitch at ~5 seconds. |
| 13:23:55 | amiconn | This isn't because it needs that much power, but because it needs stable timing. |
| 13:24:26 | petur | h340 has no fading :( |
| 13:24:30 | amiconn | whatboutbob: Disable backlight fade in & fade out, and test again. I'm sure you won't get the glitches at start |
| 13:25:05 | whatboutbob | amiconn: was just in the process of doing so. :) |
| 13:25:06 | amiconn | petur: Ye, but it also doesn't have spdif |
| 13:25:55 | amiconn | whatboutbob: The inaudible glitch (just amplitude change, no lost samples) with analog is probably caused by some load change. |
| 13:26:16 | * | petur wonders if he should get an h1x0 to play with |
| 13:26:18 | amiconn | Either it's the frequency change as well, or the harddisk spinup/spindown |
| 13:26:27 | amiconn | I tend to think it's the latter |
| 13:26:51 | petur | amiconn: I see the amplitude change every time the disk spins up |
| 13:26:54 | amiconn | ..so it's unavoidable, but since it's also inaudible, I think we can live with it |
| 13:27:05 | amiconn | petur: Even with cvs? |
| 13:27:12 | petur | yes |
| 13:27:31 | amiconn | Okay, so it's indeed the disk, and hence unavoidable |
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| 13:35:52 | whatboutbob | fair enough. |
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| 13:47:06 | whatboutbob | right...i turned off fade in and fade out...and sure enough, i get no early glitches for spdif recording. |
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| 13:47:32 | whatboutbob | still getting glitches for disk writes @ around 2:48 and 2:59. |
| 13:48:07 | whatboutbob | the disk-write glitches far more noticeable with spdif than analog. |
| 13:49:17 | whatboutbob | ...not 100% sure if the optical disk-write glitches are in cvs. would you like me to test petur? |
| 13:49:33 | petur | disabling boost for diskwriting brings write time from 16 -> 26 seconds |
| 13:49:56 | petur | if you have the time, sure ;) |
| 13:50:29 | whatboutbob | meh...i'm just watching a footy match and kicking back... |
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| 13:54:57 | petur | Paul does the Linus trick :) |
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| 14:01:22 | whatboutbob | petur: spdif disk-write glitches don't exist in a cvs build from May 12 (just what happened to be on my other iriver). |
| 14:01:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: You around? |
| 14:02:25 | petur | whatboutbob: ok, thanks for verifying |
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| 14:02:47 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Half-around |
| 14:02:59 | whatboutbob | petur: lemme know if you'd like me to test on bleeding edge. i imagine it'd be the same tho. |
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| 14:03:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Just curious, is this in the general direction you were thinking? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewForumProposal |
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| 14:04:04 | whatboutbob | petur: i'm off for a bit. lemme know if you'd like me to test anything else. |
| 14:04:27 | petur | not for the next 5 hours... |
| 14:04:37 | whatboutbob | paid work? |
| 14:04:41 | petur | yeps |
| 14:04:49 | whatboutbob | enjoy |
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| 14:04:54 | petur | :p |
| 14:05:08 | * | whatboutbob gets a beer out of the fridge and puts his feet up... |
| 14:05:11 | whatboutbob | ;p |
| 14:05:27 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Sort-of. It's a tricky thing to decide on. I've been thinking that some kind of device-specific forums can't be avoided - mainly for installation and hardware type questions. But maybe those could simply be split by manufacturer, rather than specific players. |
| 14:06:25 | linuxstb | I also don't like the idea of having too many different forums - maybe your list is too many. But it's a difficult balance - I'll think about it and comment on that wiki page. |
| 14:06:26 | * | petur still wants manufacturer named target selection in the tracker too |
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| 14:10:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: That's what the page is for. I threw it together over breakfast. I think it can be trimmed down to one forum per installation process (rather than manufacturer, because install on an H10 may be drastically different than the current set of iRiver players, and so on.) |
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| 14:14:21 | weyer | using rockbox, do you still have to add files trough itunes/gtkpod? |
| 14:14:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 14:14:39 | weyer | i copied regular mp3 files, but they don't play |
| 14:14:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is filetree based, though it can index files by tags itself if you have already hidden/obfuscated music |
| 14:14:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do they do? |
| 14:15:50 | weyer | they show the filename, but no sound, no id-tag recognition |
| 14:16:07 | linuxstb | What tags do they have? |
| 14:16:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | So when you click on them, they don't play and the progress bar does or doesn't move? |
| 14:16:34 | weyer | nope |
| 14:17:08 | weyer | and all the fields are empty |
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| 14:17:16 | weyer | exept the scrolling filename |
| 14:17:40 | moda|ASOT | oh far out, i cant find anywhere to get a cheap 1.8inch hdd anyway.... argh |
| 14:18:19 | linuxstb | weyer: What does the "file" command say about your files? i.e. type "file filename.mp3" |
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| 14:18:58 | weyer | Neil Young - Harvest - 01 - Out On The Weekend.mp3: MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag |
| 14:19:19 | linuxstb | Is there album art in the tag? |
| 14:19:39 | weyer | i have no idea |
| 14:19:59 | moda|ASOT | :( |
| 14:20:03 | weyer | most mp3's i ripped of my own cd's, and i never even knew that was possible, so i guess not |
| 14:20:41 | weyer | most tags are created with "easytag" program |
| 14:22:07 | Mikachu | regardless of the tags, shouldn't the file still play? |
| 14:22:17 | linuxstb | Maybe an obvious question, but what buttons are you pressing to play the file? |
| 14:22:38 | Mikachu | weyer: also note that old versions of easytag created invalid id3 v2.3 tags, are you using .12? |
| 14:23:12 | B4gder | I've tagged very many files with easytag just fine |
| 14:23:24 | weyer | linuxstb: in the filebrowser, the select button (ipodmini, central button) |
| 14:23:37 | linuxstb | And then what does your ipod do (in detail) ? |
| 14:23:38 | Mikachu | it writes UTF-8 in id3v2.3 and marks the field as latin1 |
| 14:23:40 | weyer | mikachu /easytag-1.1 |
| 14:24:14 | Mikachu | this only matters for tags with nonlatin1-characters though |
| 14:25:12 | weyer | i go to the "muziek" dir on my ipod, "select", choose an album, "select", choose a song, "select", then for a moment "loading" appears, and then i end up in wps |
| 14:25:40 | linuxstb | And the time is stuck at 0:00? |
| 14:25:41 | weyer | with the songname scrolling, the volume en playpause buttons work (changes in status bar), but there is no sound, the progress bar doesn't move |
| 14:25:53 | moda|ASOT | how much would a dead H340 with all the accessories be worth? |
| 14:27:00 | weyer | and under de scrolling filename is (root) for the two fields in the default wps |
| 14:27:07 | weyer | (i guess, artist and album) |
| 14:27:10 | linuxstb | weyer: So Rockbox doesn't crash? i.e. you can go into the menu, or back to the filebrowser? |
| 14:27:24 | weyer | idd |
| 14:27:48 | weyer | and the files i transferred before with gtkpod do work |
| 14:28:22 | linuxstb | Sounds very odd. Can you upload one of those files somewhere? |
| 14:28:29 | weyer | ok |
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| 14:29:11 | LinusN | moda|ASOT: given up, eh? |
| 14:29:31 | moda|ASOT | oh, not really |
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| 14:30:23 | moda|ASOT | ill see if anyone is selling a dead ipod or something in the weekend classifieds tomorrow.... if not, theres a guy in another city who i can send it do whos opened up his and replaced his hdd, so i can get him to swap in the old one and test it out for me.... |
| 14:30:25 | moda|ASOT | i dunno |
| 14:30:39 | moda|ASOT | i just dont have the energy to really stress about it anymore |
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| 14:32:12 | weyer | hmm, solved |
| 14:32:17 | weyer | rebooting did the trick |
| 14:32:35 | weyer | i had that with the gtkpod files also, after first installing rockbox... |
| 14:32:47 | weyer | it seems rockbox must read files, save, reboot and then it works |
| 14:34:05 | moda|ASOT | hrm.... what should i get as a replacement DAP? something that is 40gb+... plays video..... im looking at the ipod video.... but... eh |
| 14:34:40 | B4gder | if you want (proper) video, I don't think there's much competition |
| 14:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not counting the various devices designed as actual media players rather than just DAPs. |
| 14:35:15 | moda|ASOT | i want 30fps video.... i dont really want a pmp |
| 14:35:17 | B4gder | oh, right |
| 14:35:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you're pretty much restricted to the 5G then |
| 14:35:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think there's anything else with a decent framerate that isn't a PMP |
| 14:35:57 | moda|ASOT | sigh |
| 14:36:14 | moda|ASOT | what does the creative vision m do? |
| 14:36:17 | B4gder | and certainly not if you want rockbox |
| 14:36:26 | B4gder | that probably does video fine |
| 14:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | The newest Vision M actually has a really nice looking screen and video. |
| 14:36:32 | * | amiconn wonders what a non-pmp with decent video would be |
| 14:36:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't know what sort of framerate or anything. |
| 14:36:39 | amiconn | I can't imagine one |
| 14:36:45 | B4gder | amiconn: ipod video |
| 14:37:07 | amiconn | Well, even most pmps I've seen don't have *decent* video |
| 14:37:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I think by the time it has decent video, it's reclassified itself as PMP anyway, independent of what the manufacturer calls it |
| 14:38:02 | amiconn | ...because really decent video and mobile devices are things that contradict each other |
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| 14:40:03 | moda|ASOT | so.... 5G or vision m.... HRM |
| 14:41:39 | markun | moda|ASOT: you could use the HD of your new DAP to get your H3xx back for RMA and then sell either of them |
| 14:47:52 | moda|ASOT | meh |
| 14:47:55 | moda|ASOT | nah |
| 14:48:03 | moda|ASOT | i dont want to take apart a brand new one ;\ |
| 14:48:32 | daurn|laptop | get 1 2nd hand then |
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| 14:59:51 | * | amiconn just found that someone posted a french voice file using a scansoft voice to the wiki |
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| 15:00:16 | XavierGr | Does it have a free license? |
| 15:00:46 | amiconn | Afaik, scansoft has equally bad (if not worse) license conditions as at&t |
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| 15:05:32 | XavierGr | reminds me that I have to sent an email to loquendo |
| 15:05:48 | XavierGr | though I am not sure if I am capable of doing it the right way... |
| 15:14:00 | weyer | is there a scrolling setting that makes the names scroll ones, and then stop scrolling? the continuous scrolling makes me nervous :-) |
| 15:15:29 | weyer | (and i should think it is a waste of battery / cpu ) |
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| 15:25:12 | PaulJam | weyer: afaik you can stop the scrolling of the titles by removing the %s tags from the .wps file, but then you have no scrolling at all. |
| 15:26:51 | mocker_ | Is there a video player app for the 5th gen ipods? |
| 15:27:43 | weyer | PaulJam: that's true, but lot's of songs are more than 23 characters long |
| 15:27:51 | linuxstb | mocker_: Yes, it's called "Apple's firmware". |
| 15:28:04 | mocker_ | linuxstb: Heh. |
| 15:29:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | weyer: Use a smaller font. ;) |
| 15:29:17 | * | preglow shoots intel |
| 15:29:49 | petur | weyer: if the scrolling options in the settings menu don't give you what you want, feel free to add a feature request to the tracker (or better, a patch) |
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| 15:40:52 | XavierGr | It's true that I would like to see another option for scrolling. When the scrolling string ends,currently, it wraps so closely with the end that I can't recognize the start of the string. |
| 15:42:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 15:43:02 | amiconn | There are 3 spaces in between... |
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| 15:45:33 | StarScream | hey guys, does rockbox support usb OTG on the h300's ? |
| 15:45:40 | B4gder | no |
| 15:46:48 | StarScream | do you know if its something that is planned for inclusion or is it a feature that the devs aren't really interested in? |
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| 15:47:21 | B4gder | we don't plan things for inclusion |
| 15:47:27 | B4gder | we include everything good people do |
| 15:47:43 | B4gder | so if/when someone writes usbotg support, Rockbox will feature it |
| 15:49:46 | StarScream | ok, thanks B4gder. I was just curious about it as Mark Shuttleworth mentioned rockbox on tllts so i thought i'd have a look at it and was surprised when i saw the H300 irivers. |
| 15:49:53 | StarScream | it looks really good. |
| 15:49:58 | * | petur points to the fact he was working on it :) |
| 15:50:08 | ashridah | tllts? |
| 15:50:21 | StarScream | www.tllts.org (linux link tech show) |
| 15:50:33 | Xinux | butter. |
| 15:51:06 | StarScream | petur: you were working on usbotg for the h300's ? |
| 15:51:06 | XavierGr | Shuttleworth mentioned rockbox? |
| 15:51:17 | StarScream | yeh show 143 |
| 15:51:17 | Xinux | okay, this is annoying, my torrent dl just stalled at 99.72% |
| 15:51:19 | StarScream | 142 |
| 15:51:20 | StarScream | sorry |
| 15:52:06 | XavierGr | interesting? |
| 15:52:08 | weyer | petur: my programming skill's are a bit low to make my own patch :-) i'll add a feature request |
| 15:52:13 | XavierGr | what did he say? |
| 15:52:18 | petur | StarScream: no success so far.... don't get any hope for now. |
| 15:54:22 | StarScream | petur: heh ok :) unfortunately i use usbotg alot so can't test out rockbox yet but keep up the good work . it really does look fantastic |
| 15:55:15 | B4gder | StarScream: you can dual-boot |
| 15:55:18 | petur | StarScream: rockbox can dualboot. use the iriver firmware for usbotg, rockbox for the rest |
| 15:55:50 | StarScream | oh really ? awesome. |
| 15:56:16 | B4gder | in fact, you'd have to fight it hard to not offer dual-boot ;-) |
| 15:57:29 | StarScream | so can i set a default ? and then manually set it back when i use it for usb otg ? |
| 15:57:37 | StarScream | and all my music appears in both ? |
| 15:59:23 | linuxstb | Yes, your music appears in both. Rockbox will boot by default. Hold a button (I think it's record on the h300) whilst turing on your h300 to start the original firmware. |
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| 16:02:03 | petur | it's REC. be sure to keep ON pressed too until iriver fw boots (it checks the button briefly, if you release too soon it powers down) |
| 16:02:33 | petur | *to soon |
| 16:02:58 | StarScream | absolutely awesome |
| 16:03:07 | StarScream | its my project for tomorrow now :) |
| 16:03:19 | XavierGr | this feels strange, it is supposed that yesterday we would have released 3.1 :p |
| 16:03:40 | petur | ? |
| 16:03:56 | XavierGr | Wasn't fireworks planed for June? |
| 16:04:07 | XavierGr | or am I talking BS? |
| 16:04:09 | petur | september? |
| 16:04:18 | XavierGr | oops |
| 16:04:27 | XavierGr | indeed, I am talking BS. |
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| 16:09:54 | webguest25 | Hello |
| 16:10:49 | webguest25 | i have a problem with my ihp-140. it tells we when i start it "*panic* ata: -32 |
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| 16:11:01 | webguest25 | may anyone offer some help? |
| 16:12:08 | XavierGr | can your PC recognize your iHP-140 |
| 16:12:10 | XavierGr | ? |
| 16:12:17 | webguest25 | yes |
| 16:12:36 | webguest25 | when i plug it in i can use the data on the ihp |
| 16:14:41 | webguest25 | sometimes after some reboots it also says "bootloader usb mode"(when not plugged in to the computer) and that's it. |
| 16:16:11 | webguest25 | the red light for hdd use doesn't glow anymore |
| 16:17:05 | XavierGr | strange |
| 16:17:13 | XavierGr | what about original firmware? |
| 16:19:58 | webguest25 | already tried it. there the "connected" screen appears too, even when not connected |
| 16:21:00 | XavierGr | in normal firmware? |
| 16:21:06 | webguest25 | the original firmware. says "check hdd connection" then "check hdd" and the turns ob the "connected" screen, |
| 16:21:18 | webguest25 | when not plugged in |
| 16:21:22 | XavierGr | dodgy HDD |
| 16:21:42 | webguest25 | :( |
| 16:21:53 | XavierGr | Can you check for errors using a software utility? |
| 16:22:08 | webguest25 | yep |
| 16:22:08 | XavierGr | if this doens't work then you can open the player and resit the HDD. |
| 16:22:12 | webguest25 | i'll try that |
| 16:22:28 | webguest25 | how do i reset itß |
| 16:22:37 | webguest25 | if bnecessary |
| 16:22:47 | XavierGr | but it is strange that it will say connected while it isn't maybe there is a bad solder connection on the USB chip. |
| 16:23:11 | XavierGr | resit = take out the HD and plug it again. |
| 16:23:20 | webguest25 | okay |
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| 16:23:41 | webguest25 | i#ll try the errorcheck, then, if necessary the resit |
| 16:24:07 | XavierGr | When I was trying to fix my USBOTG problem on my H300, accidentally I short circuited 2 joints which made my H300 to report "Connected" even if it wasn't |
| 16:24:30 | webguest25 | how do i find out if there is something wrong with the "solder connection on the USB chip."? |
| 16:24:49 | XavierGr | Can't help you on this |
| 16:24:54 | XavierGr | I came to it by luck... |
| 16:24:54 | webguest25 | okay |
| 16:25:01 | webguest25 | thanks |
| 16:25:13 | XavierGr | np, hope you get your player fixed. |
| 16:25:23 | webguest25 | me too :) |
| 16:25:37 | XavierGr | It is very strange though, that you say your PC can fully recognise the Disk. |
| 16:26:13 | webguest25 | indeed |
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| 16:26:59 | petur | almost makes you think it's the usb-ata bridge chip |
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| 16:34:58 | * | amiconn points B4gder to muesli's quit message |
| 16:35:14 | amiconn | It's a quite good match to yours |
| 16:35:21 | petur | moooooo |
| 16:35:30 | B4gder | kuhe? |
| 16:35:37 | petur | = cows |
| 16:35:41 | B4gder | ah |
| 16:36:02 | amiconn | Translated: I want cows! |
| 16:36:08 | bobTHC | meeeeeeeeh |
| 16:36:10 | bobTHC | :) |
| 16:37:24 | XavierGr | StarScream: At which minute of the podcast you said is there a reference to rockbox? |
| 16:39:32 | amiconn | Wiki spam alert! |
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| 16:41:06 | B4gder | grrr |
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| 17:44:37 | mocker_ | I have to say, I am really impressed w/ rockbox. |
| 17:45:09 | daurn|laptop | good |
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| 17:47:27 | bobTHC | :) |
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| 17:49:07 | daurn|laptop | now, stay that way |
| 17:49:09 | daurn|laptop | ;) |
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| 18:02:34 | XavierGr | time to reboot. I want to install Kubuntu 6.06 |
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| 18:11:11 | Xinux | WOOOOO |
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| 18:21:34 | sharpe | woo. i can now work on my operating system i will never get farther on that printing some text! |
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| 18:23:04 | daurn|laptop | english? |
| 18:23:14 | sharpe | me? |
| 18:23:40 | daurn|laptop | yeah |
| 18:23:43 | sharpe | time to write an operating system! |
| 18:23:50 | daurn|laptop | .. |
| 18:28:51 | sharpe | i'm just bored. |
| 18:30:14 | BHSPitMonkey | please |
| 18:30:28 | BHSPitMonkey | you couldn't operate a hair dryer, sharpe, much less a whole -system- |
| 18:31:00 | sharpe | :( |
| 18:31:05 | BHSPitMonkey | :D |
| 18:31:18 | sharpe | heh... |
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| 18:42:34 | sharpe | well, i can print text now. |
| 18:43:07 | woodensoul | Hello folks. This is my first time here... trying the web client. |
| 18:43:37 | sharpe | welcome, how may we help you? |
| 18:43:58 | woodensoul | Well, I've got a couple things... |
| 18:44:24 | woodensoul | I use rockbox for my iRiver H120, H140 and H320. |
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| 18:45:26 | woodensoul | I was looking for some feedback on a bug I'm experiencing. I often get crashes requiring a hard reset when changing the fileview from "All" to "ID3 database". |
| 18:46:27 | woodensoul | The crash occurs when I pres the joystick in to navigate the ID3 database. |
| 18:47:19 | sharpe | well, unforunately, i know nothing of the iRiver ports, sorry I can't help. |
| 18:48:26 | woodensoul | Which port commands your concentration? |
| 18:48:39 | sharpe | iPod Video |
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| 18:50:09 | woodensoul | Do you have the 60GB version? |
| 18:50:21 | sharpe | nope, just the thirty version. |
| 18:50:49 | woodensoul | Do you know if the 60GB version is any thicker than the 30GB version? |
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| 18:51:34 | sharpe | i believe it isn't |
| 18:53:19 | woodensoul | How is the 5G port in general? Are most of the features from the other ports available and how is battery life? |
| 18:54:20 | sharpe | battery life is still worse than the apple firmware, i usually get around 4-5 hours with rockbox on mine. but, other than that most features are implemented. |
| 18:55:25 | woodensoul | How much time do you get with the stock firmware? |
| 18:55:40 | sharpe | probably, around nine hours, it's been a long time since i've used it. |
| 18:56:06 | woodensoul | Do you use a build with album art enabled? |
| 18:56:09 | sharpe | nope. |
| 18:56:31 | woodensoul | Doesn't interest you? It looks pretty nice on the H320. |
| 18:56:48 | sharpe | yeh, doesn't really interest me. |
| 18:57:01 | amiconn | woodensoul: Re your crashes - how old is the build you are running? |
| 18:57:25 | woodensoul | amiconn: From a couple days ago. |
| 18:57:37 | amiconn | Also, please try with a cvs build |
| 18:58:07 | woodensoul | I didn't see any changes in the CVS that pertained to the bug. |
| 18:58:20 | woodensoul | It was a bleeding edge build from a couple days ago. |
| 18:58:22 | amiconn | I refer to the album art patch |
| 18:58:29 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 18:58:33 | amiconn | hmm |
| 18:58:56 | sharpe | yay! printing functions work... |
| 18:58:59 | woodensoul | I wouldn't report a bug from the experimental build I'm running on my H320. |
| 18:59:17 | woodensoul | The bug happens with a bleeding edge build for the H100 series. |
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| 19:01:10 | woodensoul | I guess I should make a bug report, but I thought I'd come here first to see if anyone else noticed the bug. |
| 19:02:03 | linuxstb | woodensoul: Yes, the 60GB is significantly thicker than the 30GB model. But still thinner than the h1x0/h3x0 players. |
| 19:02:18 | linuxstb | (talking about the ipod 5g) |
| 19:02:18 | sharpe | damn, wrong again. |
| 19:02:34 | * | amiconn would have expected that it is thicker |
| 19:02:57 | amiconn | ..for the same reason why the H140 is thicker than the H120 etc |
| 19:03:32 | woodensoul | linuxstb: Thanks for the info. I seen the 30GB version and it's so thin. I would be very tempted if the 60GB version was as thin, but the double platter drive prevents it, I'm guessing. |
| 19:03:56 | amiconn | The dual platter drive should add 3 mm of thickness |
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| 19:04:33 | linuxstb | I think the battery is bigger as well (capacity-wise, and I'm guessing physically) |
| 19:05:08 | sharpe | well, i've an operating system that can print strings. |
| 19:05:12 | sharpe | go me. |
| 19:05:29 | woodensoul | I see. Do you have any experience with the bug I described? It's the only thing keeping the current CVS builds from being stable for me. |
| 19:05:35 | * | amiconn always wondered why apple puts those low capacity batteries into the newer ipods |
| 19:06:09 | amiconn | Battery runtime seems to be much worse than with other players, even with stock firmware |
| 19:06:19 | linuxstb | According to Apple's website, 30GB is 10.9mm thick, and 60GB is 14mm |
| 19:07:29 | linuxstb | Weights are 136g and 156g |
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| 19:07:47 | linuxstb | woodensoul: I'm sure I've read a similar bug report. Possibly on the bug tracker. |
| 19:08:30 | woodensoul | Maybe I'll hold of making a new one then and read the current bug report. |
| 19:09:51 | woodensoul | Any clue what I should search by to find it? |
| 19:13:19 | woodensoul | Also another issue I'd be interested to get feedback on: would anyone be interested in allowing the current playlist to be viewed in a way that albums (or artists, or genres assuming this is added to the ID3 database view method) are shown and able to be moved around as opposed to the current method of only allowing a track list? |
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| 19:14:25 | woodensoul | You could "expand" the album (artist or genre) to see the tracks within, or collapse... you get the picture? |
| 19:16:01 | amiconn | (1) What would be the purpose? (2) Probably very hard to implement, if not impossible |
| 19:17:36 | woodensoul | Well my purpose is that I listen to entire albums almost exclusively and it would be very useful for me to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as an album. |
| 19:18:04 | amiconn | I know exactly one (software) player that supports hierarchical playlists. I never understood why, other than making operation more complicated |
| 19:18:34 | woodensoul | I assume that the ability to add albums via the ID3 database is in the works? |
| 19:18:54 | amiconn | Supporting hierarchical playlists also means dropping the de facto standard 'm3u' and invent an own playlist format |
| 19:19:04 | woodensoul | The Zen Xtra has the functionality I'm describing and I find it very useful since I listen to albums the way I do. |
| 19:19:19 | amiconn | I also listen mainly to album |
| 19:20:09 | woodensoul | Well it really wouldn't have to be hierarchial. I don't really need the ability to expand, but it would be nice to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as one group. |
| 19:20:27 | amiconn | Most of the time I play an album, and decide afterwards what album to listen to next. Sometimes I add several albums to a playlist. I never felt the necissity to move them around after adding though |
| 19:21:19 | woodensoul | Why would it be necessary to change the standard '.m3u'? All of this could be just what is displayed to the user and the .m3u would stay the same. |
| 19:21:29 | amiconn | Another problem (besides the playlist format) is how rockbox stores playlists in memory |
| 19:21:32 | Mikachu | how would rockbox keep track of the albums then? |
| 19:22:09 | woodensoul | Rockbox could keep the playlist stored the same way, just the way it is displayed would be different, is that possible? |
| 19:22:37 | amiconn | Playlists are stored as indices into directories. Very fast, very efficient. But rockbox has no way to know which track belongs to a certain album until the track is actually buffered for playback |
| 19:22:47 | woodensoul | I really need to read through that developers documentation and give the source a look. I used C for my senior design project, so I'm sure I could add to the effort. |
| 19:23:30 | woodensoul | If adding an album through the ID3 database is implemented, this could be done, yes? |
| 19:23:51 | amiconn | No, not with a total redesign of the playlist system |
| 19:24:29 | woodensoul | Would it be possible to add an album via the ID3 database without a complete redesign of the playlist system? |
| 19:24:35 | amiconn | (which would almost certainly use a multiple of the resources of the current system and be an order of magnitude slower) |
| 19:24:44 | amiconn | yes |
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| 19:25:24 | amiconn | The problem with m3u is that it just stores paths and filenames, not tags or other metadata |
| 19:26:03 | amiconn | m3u files can contain comments, but since they're comments, m3u manipulating software is free to ditch them |
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| 19:26:42 | woodensoul | Well it seems possible to keep that data somewhere and since you're saying it wouldn't require a major redesign to add ID3 database album playlist functionality, the info would be there in the database already. |
| 19:27:16 | amiconn | Yes, but not in th eplaylist you generate from it |
| 19:28:00 | amiconn | That means, you will be able to add an album, or an artist folder etc to your playlist, but you won't be able to move the added tracks as a 'group' later |
| 19:28:29 | woodensoul | Well that, at least, is an improvement :-) |
| 19:28:51 | woodensoul | Moving them around as a group would be nice though. |
| 19:29:22 | Mikachu | can't you already do that? |
| 19:29:34 | woodensoul | Not that I know of. |
| 19:29:37 | Mikachu | i mean adding albums and/or artists |
| 19:29:45 | Mikachu | i do it all the time in file mode anyway |
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| 19:30:07 | woodensoul | You can do it in file mode for sure, but not in ID3 unless it's been recently added. |
| 19:33:32 | woodensoul | And that is what leads me to the bug I'm experiencing.... I browse using ID3 mode most of the time, but when I want to add and album to the playlist I have to switch to file mode to add, and then back to ID3 to browse and then I get the freeze. |
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| 19:53:48 | amiconn | woodensoul: How do you switch back & forth - via the menu (General Settings->File View->Show Files) or via the quickscreen? |
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| 19:55:32 | amiconn | And again re the version - there were 2 tagcache related bug fixes committed on May 30 and May 31 |
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| 19:59:15 | woodensoul | amiconn: I've had the freeze happen mostly with the quickscreen, but the General Settings->File View->Show Files has also caused the crash. |
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| 20:00:12 | woodensoul | I don't have my player with me right now, so I can't tell you the exact CVS version. All I can say is that it was from about 2 days ago. I'll update to the latest and see if it has been fixed. |
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| 20:06:43 | woodensoul | I had to reconnect, still learning the web interface. Did I miss a comment? |
| 20:06:51 | sharpe | nope. |
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| 20:07:22 | * | woodensoul just noticed the log on the site updated live |
| 20:07:28 | sharpe | aye :) |
| 20:07:29 | woodensoul | :-) |
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| 20:11:52 | kkurbjun | What's the status on the freeze? I have a few patches I'd like to commit, but I'm still waiting on 3.0. Also, is there a list of critical bugs I can look into fixing? |
| 20:12:33 | kkurbjun | that is if the freeze is continuing |
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| 20:16:04 | * | woodensoul doesn't know, but is curious about what the patches do |
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| 20:16:41 | kkurbjun | mostly patches for doom and rockboy |
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| 20:17:17 | benanne | Evening everyone |
| 20:18:06 | benanne | I'm thinking of installing rockbox onto my 4GB iPod nano... the only thing that's holding me back is that I heard battery life is significantly reduced... I mean, it isn't exactly impressive as it is, so I'm not sure I want it reduced even further. Is it really that bad? |
| 20:18:31 | bluebrother | RedBreva: you're in? |
| 20:18:37 | RedBreva | yep |
| 20:19:41 | bluebrother | I've just added a comment to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458 |
| 20:21:15 | bluebrother | what do you think? Unfortunately tucoz isn't in ... |
| 20:21:32 | bluebrother | but I'd like to get some comments before I start changing the screenshot macro ;-) |
| 20:21:50 | RedBreva | I think that's a darn good idea - the thought og having to generate another couple'o hundred screenshots was not appealing :) |
| 20:21:53 | bluebrother | (as I finally again have time for working on the manual) |
| 20:22:14 | kkurbjun | amiconn, I've also got a patch for the ipod mini lcd shutdown, I guess I'll just put that one on the tracker |
| 20:22:17 | RedBreva | hehehe, real life sure can get in the way at times |
| 20:22:35 | bluebrother | yup. But I survived it ;-) |
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| 20:23:05 | bluebrother | ok, I think I'll start hacking the screenshot macro ... |
| 20:23:41 | RedBreva | using Platform name from the platform profile as the device name? |
| 20:23:46 | bluebrother | maybe we should have an agreement which screenshots to be device specific and which should be the "generic resolution" shot. |
| 20:23:54 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: The remaining bugs are here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2&due=3&order=sev |
| 20:24:07 | saa[b_r]ider | anyone wanna help me with cygwin? (I did some progress since this morning!) |
| 20:24:17 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Plus I think some stuff not specifically in the tracker, such as the h3x0 power consumption issue. |
| 20:24:26 | benanne | Anybody here using rockbox on an ipod nano? |
| 20:24:56 | RedBreva | benanne: YES, i DO |
| 20:25:08 | linuxstb | benanne: Some runtime tests are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 20:25:10 | RedBreva | Whoops , sorry caps lock got hit by mistake |
| 20:25:52 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, was it decided if the H300 will be in the 3.0 release? |
| 20:26:25 | linuxstb | AFAIK, it's still in. |
| 20:26:41 | linuxstb | But I guess that's mainly because there are so many other issues. |
| 20:28:04 | saa[b_r]ider | speaking of the H300.. I was worried that my battery was dieing, so I tested my H300's battery life using RB, I got something between 3-4 hours |
| 20:28:44 | saa[b_r]ider | more like 3.5-4 hours |
| 20:29:14 | woodensoul | Is better battery going to be part of the 3.0 release for the H300 series? |
| 20:30:25 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, I'll start looking into those bugs and working on ones I know something about |
| 20:30:43 | Febs | woodensoul, that is the question of the month. |
| 20:31:03 | RedBreva | could someone have a look at minesweeper3.patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5430 ? The manual changes have been commited, but this is a code patch... |
| 20:31:23 | kkurbjun | unfortunatly most of them seem to be playback issues which I know nothing about |
| 20:31:24 | saa[b_r]ider | Febs: I thought qwustion of the month was "when will 3.0 be released?" :P |
| 20:31:51 | RedBreva | That was the question of LAST month :) |
| 20:32:00 | saa[b_r]ider | hehehe |
| 20:32:11 | Febs | Right. ;) I propose that we never EVER again announce a release date. |
| 20:32:32 | Mikachu | when people ask me i just make up a date |
| 20:32:34 | Mikachu | then they go away |
| 20:33:11 | saa[b_r]ider | so no experienced cygwin users around? |
| 20:33:13 | benanne | RedBreva, linuxstb, thanks |
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| 20:34:09 | woodensoul | I don't understand the obession with a specified date. Just install the latest CVS build and there is your 3.0 version on any date you want it. |
| 20:34:20 | ts-x | Looks like Rockbox made Engadget => http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/sandisk-hits-up-rockbox-for-some-firmware/ |
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| 20:34:49 | ts-x | The 'nerdy alternative' talk is a little harsh though :) |
| 20:35:46 | woodensoul | Yeah, I guess we're all nerds. :-( |
| 20:36:00 | woodensoul | I'm a happy nerd with my Rockbox, though. |
| 20:36:07 | ts-x | Me too :) |
| 20:37:45 | benanne | meh heck, im going to install it anyways |
| 20:37:51 | benanne | I'm sick of having to use crap like gtkpod |
| 20:38:07 | benanne | also gapless playback <3 |
| 20:38:22 | saa[b_r]ider | oh the gapless! |
| 20:38:32 | ts-x | It's like butter... |
| 20:38:38 | benanne | hehe |
| 20:38:51 | benanne | I have this concept album thats cut into 69 tracks |
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| 20:38:56 | benanne | its a pain to listen to without gapless |
| 20:39:02 | saa[b_r]ider | you don't really appreciate it enough till you use the original firmware after months of RB use |
| 20:39:11 | benanne | hehe |
| 20:40:19 | RedBreva | benanne: I would just say, that I installed iTunes a few days ago the theory being: my 8 year old had a nano for his b/day, and at present Rockbox is still a little complex for him, but to be honest I am thinking of rockboxing him too, the apple interface is just Waaaaay to anal! |
| 20:40:32 | benanne | heh |
| 20:40:46 | RedBreva | even he is complaining about it!! |
| 20:41:05 | saa[b_r]ider | hahaha I propose a quote of the month |
| 20:41:16 | RedBreva | oh, and he want's a custom WPS like his dad |
| 20:41:44 | saa[b_r]ider | ipod users say "the apple interface is just waaaaay too anal!" |
| 20:42:03 | RedBreva | heheheheh |
| 20:42:18 | saa[b_r]ider | redbreva: what player do you use? |
| 20:42:29 | RedBreva | H140 and Nano 4Gig |
| 20:42:58 | saa[b_r]ider | so now 8 year olds have ipods too? |
| 20:43:28 | RedBreva | yep, 1G, and the 12 year old has a 2G to replace her Ondio (Both rockboxed) |
| 20:43:41 | benanne | heehee |
| 20:45:22 | saa[b_r]ider | I'm just worried that by the time my son becomes 5 he'll be asking me for an iPod :| |
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| 20:46:29 | RedBreva | I have been fighting it for 2 years, and finally gave in this Birthday... he had reading difficulties, so I told him when he got a good report from his teacher, he could have one.... |
| 20:47:08 | saa[b_r]ider | I know how you feel... it's kinda the same with mobile phones now... |
| 20:47:24 | RedBreva | he STILL isn't getting one of them!! |
| 20:47:51 | saa[b_r]ider | but I'm surprised about the ipod as I didn't expect an 8 year old to really be into music |
| 20:48:21 | saa[b_r]ider | I didn't start listening to music till I was about 12 |
| 20:48:32 | RedBreva | Black Eyed Peas, Pussycat Dolls and Sugarbabes to be precise |
| 20:48:37 | benanne | ew |
| 20:48:38 | benanne | heehee |
| 20:48:41 | RedBreva | so, not really music :D |
| 20:48:44 | benanne | :D |
| 20:49:02 | * | benanne is extremely narrowminded |
| 20:49:07 | benanne | and proud of it >:) |
| 20:49:08 | RedBreva | Got his da's taste in women tho' ;-) |
| 20:49:16 | benanne | now, tis time for some rockboxin' |
| 20:50:14 | benanne | if I fuck up, is the procedure easily reversible? |
| 20:51:07 | RedBreva | yes, but it was pretty straighforward, so you shouldn't have a problem - IF you read and follow the instructions properly |
| 20:51:16 | saa[b_r]ider | PCD and sugarbabes I understand... it's just sad that black eyed peas are turning into a generic band.. I enjoy their music |
| 20:51:26 | benanne | will do, thanks :) |
| 20:51:53 | benanne | "How to install Rockbox on your iPod using Linux" that's the one I need right |
| 20:52:21 | saa[b_r]ider | how's the scroll wheel speed on RBed iPods now? |
| 20:52:30 | RedBreva | Depends, only if you are using Linux ;-) |
| 20:53:12 | benanne | well, yaeh ;) |
| 20:53:14 | benanne | yeah* |
| 20:53:20 | benanne | okay, here goes nothing |
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| 20:56:56 | RedBreva | L8R - I have a lawn to cut... :( |
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| 20:58:05 | linuxstb | benanne: Just make sure you keep a backup copy of the "bootpartition.bin" file you extract from your ipod in one of the first steps. If anything goes wrong, you can just "dd" it back and your ipod should be as good as new. |
| 20:58:13 | benanne | yep |
| 20:58:14 | benanne | im doing that now |
| 20:58:17 | benanne | cool, thanks :) |
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| 21:00:59 | woodensoul | What codec and bitrate do you guys use? I'm curious cince the codec support is so good with rockbox. I rip to FLAC for my archives, then transcode to LAME APS for listening. |
| 21:01:36 | dpassen1 | I use LAME preset standard as well |
| 21:03:02 | benanne | hee, me too :) |
| 21:03:07 | woodensoul | Ogg has really got me interested for my 20GB players though, since 20GB is *only* about 250 APS albums. |
| 21:03:10 | benanne | flac is too big for my liking |
| 21:03:15 | benanne | and I don't hear any diff either |
| 21:03:34 | woodensoul | I wonder how much, if any, quality difference I could hear between APS and ogg at Q4 for example. |
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| 21:06:07 | benanne | bootloader works, yay :) |
| 21:06:10 | benanne | now to get the actual firmware on |
| 21:07:34 | woodensoul | benanne: I use FLAC for archives only. It also makes transcoding to other formats a snap for listening tests. Re-ripping is for suckers. ;-) |
| 21:07:41 | dwihno | woodensoul: that makes two of us |
| 21:07:46 | benanne | hmm |
| 21:07:50 | benanne | my hd space is limitted |
| 21:07:57 | benanne | so is my monthly bandwidth :( |
| 21:07:59 | benanne | limited* |
| 21:08:01 | woodensoul | DVD-Rs are so cheap though. |
| 21:08:06 | benanne | so I like it small |
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| 21:08:21 | woodensoul | dwihno: two of us? |
| 21:08:59 | dwihno | woodensoul: flac for archiving, mp3 for playback on portable units. |
| 21:09:43 | markun | Quarryman: saa[b_r]ider: |
| 21:09:46 | markun | eh.. |
| 21:10:21 | woodensoul | dwihno: Makes sense to me :-) |
| 21:10:37 | woodensoul | And EAC is a given, I hope. |
| 21:10:48 | * | petur wonders if amiconn is around |
| 21:11:02 | dwihno | woodensoul: yeah, eac and verification to make sure the rips are ok |
| 21:11:23 | benanne | woo |
| 21:11:27 | benanne | my ipod is officially rockboxed |
| 21:11:32 | dwihno | congrats! |
| 21:11:45 | petur | welcome to the club of free people |
| 21:11:48 | benanne | :D |
| 21:11:53 | benanne | now to make it look better |
| 21:11:56 | benanne | its themeable right |
| 21:11:58 | dwihno | Since more and more companies are employing copy protection, is it possible to do some kind of optical extraction and still get a 1:1 copy? |
| 21:12:07 | * | woodensoul uses secure mode with 'accurate stream' enabled and also 'drives caches' enabled |
| 21:12:27 | petur | benanne: there's a wps gallery in the wiki |
| 21:12:55 | woodensoul | dwihno: Get a Plextor Premium and you'll be able to get around the copy protection using EAC. |
| 21:12:58 | benanne | yeah :) |
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| 21:13:05 | benanne | ima make it look hawt & sexeh. |
| 21:13:10 | petur | plextor is nice |
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| 21:13:18 | * | petur has two of 'm |
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| 21:13:34 | petur | their service is good two |
| 21:13:39 | petur | *too |
| 21:13:42 | benanne | yay for anathema |
| 21:13:42 | dwihno | woodensoul: I got a pretty expensive plextor unit and it still failed me on some discs... :/ |
| 21:14:00 | woodensoul | which version of EAC are you using? |
| 21:14:03 | dwihno | latest |
| 21:14:10 | woodensoul | that could be your problem |
| 21:14:25 | dwihno | you think so? |
| 21:14:36 | petur | for some discs I need to make a copy with clonecd first, the copy is then ripable |
| 21:14:44 | woodensoul | you should use .9 because some features were removed from later version for 'legal' reasons |
| 21:14:52 | dwihno | However I'm replacing my destop with a portable, so I guess I'll have to get an externaöl |
| 21:15:15 | woodensoul | external CD-ROM for ripping on a laptop? |
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| 21:15:26 | dwihno | petur: aah, funky! it works on all kinds of copy protection? |
| 21:15:42 | petur | it has done all disks here so far ;) |
| 21:15:49 | dwihno | woodensoul: if the optical unit is bad at handling copy protected discs, yes |
| 21:16:11 | woodensoul | I haven't tested it thoroughly with all types, but I'v yet to come across a disc that wouldn't rip. |
| 21:16:15 | dwihno | petur: A pretty funky idea. I'll test that. |
| 21:16:44 | dwihno | petur: do you think the copying software matters? |
| 21:16:47 | woodensoul | Exact Audio Copy 0.9 beta 4 is the version you want. |
| 21:16:59 | petur | activate the repair subchannel data function from clonecd |
| 21:17:04 | dwihno | woodensoul: Will get that. |
| 21:17:20 | dwihno | petur: doesn't that break something? |
| 21:17:36 | dwihno | eac have done wonders with some _old_ discs of mine |
| 21:17:53 | petur | hmmm I have 0.95 prebeta 5 - too recent? |
| 21:18:17 | dwihno | is it possible to pipe stuff in windows like in linux? |
| 21:18:36 | dwihno | for example, decoding flac and process it with lame |
| 21:19:11 | thegeek | yes |
| 21:19:19 | thegeek | piping is possible |
| 21:19:38 | thegeek | not sure if there are any apps that actually use it (much) |
| 21:19:47 | * | woodensoul uses two disc doctor repair units, one fitted with 2000 grit sandpaper, the other with the standard re-surfacing wheel to repair scratched discs. |
| 21:19:48 | dwihno | :/ |
| 21:20:25 | petur | pipes were used more in the dos days when we were still stuck to commandline interfaces |
| 21:20:28 | woodensoul | spraying the disc with water first... of course |
| 21:20:37 | benanne | how do I load music onto it now? Do I just stuff it in the root directory? |
| 21:20:58 | petur | benanne: make a folder structure as you like |
| 21:21:00 | dwihno | benanne: Just treat it like any disk attached to your computer |
| 21:21:21 | benanne | cool :) |
| 21:21:30 | dwihno | Structure is a good thing anyhow... Think of the dir limits and stuff |
| 21:22:40 | woodensoul | benanne: do you plan to try the album art enabled version of rockbox on you nano? |
| 21:22:50 | benanne | hmm no |
| 21:22:54 | benanne | don't care much for album covers :p |
| 21:23:08 | woodensoul | Oh well, I think it's pretty. |
| 21:23:22 | benanne | heh |
| 21:23:44 | woodensoul | It looks nice on my H320. |
| 21:24:30 | woodensoul | May I suggest the iCatcher WPS? I use a modified version of it on my H120. |
| 21:24:46 | benanne | I'm thinking of using Neeon black meself |
| 21:24:52 | benanne | just need to find out how to enable it :) |
| 21:25:44 | woodensoul | How's the scroll wheel control with Rockbox? |
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| 21:25:56 | benanne | seems to work fine |
| 21:26:08 | * | petur points benanne to the wiki and the F(ine) M(manual) |
| 21:26:33 | benanne | I like to figure things out on myself first ;) |
| 21:26:56 | * | woodensoul has been testing the latest CVS release for the bug I mentioned involving ID3 view crashing... |
| 21:27:04 | woodensoul | It seems to be fixed. :-) |
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| 21:34:58 | dwihno | woodensoul: do you know what features were modified in eac? |
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| 21:35:46 | woodensoul | just a sec... |
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| 21:36:54 | benanne | um, guys |
| 21:36:57 | benanne | my ipod isn't doing much... |
| 21:37:09 | benanne | I cant seem to turn it on |
| 21:37:13 | woodensoul | All I can say is that later version of EAC supposedly have features disable that have to do with copy protection. I'm not sure on the specifics. |
| 21:38:29 | benanne | shit. |
| 21:38:31 | benanne | this aint good. |
| 21:38:37 | woodensoul | reset it? |
| 21:38:42 | benanne | how do I do that? |
| 21:38:44 | saa[b_r]ider | don't pani benanne |
| 21:38:50 | saa[b_r]ider | panic even |
| 21:38:52 | benanne | it doesn't do anything, I can't turn it on :( |
| 21:38:57 | Kohlrabi | Can you secure rip with f2k0.9 now? |
| 21:39:13 | Kohlrabi | and, btw, any plans on MKA-support in rb? |
| 21:39:24 | benanne | i think before unplugging it i saw an image of a fully loaded battery with a yellow triangle and an exclamation mark in it |
| 21:39:26 | dwihno | f2k? |
| 21:39:29 | Kohlrabi | foobar2k |
| 21:39:30 | benanne | that's not good either is it |
| 21:39:56 | Kohlrabi | the f2k devs stated thta they can securely rip with f2k |
| 21:40:18 | petur | benanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there |
| 21:40:39 | benanne | resetting worked |
| 21:40:46 | benanne | menu + middle for 5 secs |
| 21:40:54 | benanne | i hope it won't happen too often |
| 21:40:57 | petur | good |
| 21:41:24 | bluebrother | what means "securely ripping"? |
| 21:41:41 | petur | benanne: ipod support will get better in time, be patient and enjoy what's there already |
| 21:41:48 | benanne | okay :) |
| 21:41:48 | dwihno | bluebrother: well, no glitches... |
| 21:42:01 | woodensoul | I didn't even know you could rip with f2k. |
| 21:42:25 | dwihno | bluebrother: and if the disc is damaged beyond "ripability", the sw should not tell the rip was ok |
| 21:42:27 | * | petur kicks the build servers |
| 21:42:31 | * | woodensoul get's perfect results with EAC setup as-is. Why mess with perfection? |
| 21:43:02 | dwihno | woodensoul: how is your drive configured? (I suppose it's a plextor premium) |
| 21:44:11 | lostlogic | hmph, we're on top of /. again sorta |
| 21:45:07 | woodensoul | dwihno: the Premium is one of the drives I use. All are configured as follows... |
| 21:45:08 | petur | shit. that's what slowing down the server :/ |
| 21:45:35 | lostlogic | sandisk is apparently trying to talk to us about porting to their players? |
| 21:45:49 | woodensoul | Secure mode: 'accurate stream' enable, 'drives caches' enabled, C2 disabled regardless if the drive supports C2 |
| 21:46:00 | petur | lostlogic: read the committers ml please :D |
| 21:46:14 | woodensoul | Make SURE overread into lead-in and lead-out is DISABLED unless you're sure your drive supports it. |
| 21:46:21 | benanne | woo, tis playin :D |
| 21:46:39 | benanne | oh dear |
| 21:46:43 | benanne | the theme thing kinda fucked up, heh |
| 21:46:48 | saa[b_r]ider | there you go |
| 21:47:00 | benanne | can I reset the theme somehow? |
| 21:47:34 | woodensoul | Plextor drives are the only ones I know will do that. |
| 21:47:37 | saa[b_r]ider | select a different one... |
| 21:47:37 | dwihno | woodensoul: ah, okay |
| 21:47:38 | benanne | eh, the problem is |
| 21:47:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:47:56 | benanne | the background is white, and the fonts are also :p |
| 21:47:56 | dwihno | woodensoul: overreading lead-in does what? |
| 21:47:56 | benanne | so I can't really select a different one |
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| 21:47:56 | saa[b_r]ider | that shouldn't happen... |
| 21:48:04 | benanne | well it did, heh |
| 21:48:20 | saa[b_r]ider | did it work properly at all before? |
| 21:48:25 | woodensoul | overreads into the lead-in and lead-out section of the disc ;-) |
| 21:48:31 | benanne | yes |
| 21:48:36 | benanne | I changed it during playback and then it fucked up :( |
| 21:48:40 | woodensoul | Otherwise some samples won't be ripped. Sorry that's all I really know. |
| 21:48:44 | benanne | seems like only the font changed, but not the background |
| 21:48:52 | benanne | I changed from the whiteish jack theme to the black-ish neeon black theme |
| 21:48:53 | saa[b_r]ider | what exactly did you change? |
| 21:49:08 | woodensoul | Most drives can't overread into lead-in and out so some samples can't be ripped. |
| 21:49:09 | benanne | the theme |
| 21:49:13 | benanne | through "browse themes" |
| 21:49:21 | benanne | maybe if I turn it off and on it will be correct |
| 21:49:24 | dwihno | woodensoul: heh, I thought it had something to do with protection |
| 21:49:27 | woodensoul | I always get the drive offset from accuraterip.com and put that in too. |
| 21:49:31 | saa[b_r]ider | there is a way to reset |
| 21:49:35 | benanne | but the traditional "hold play" doesn't seem to turn it off |
| 21:49:38 | benanne | i have a lot to learn :) |
| 21:49:44 | saa[b_r]ider | although I'm not sure how for iPods don't own one |
| 21:49:46 | woodensoul | dwihno: Not related to protection as far as I know. |
| 21:50:38 | woodensoul | Has anyone else noticed that seeking within a track no longer breaks the gapless transition? |
| 21:50:38 | dwihno | woodensoul: so just getting any missing samples then :) |
| 21:50:59 | saa[b_r]ider | the .cfg file for the theme you chose may not have a setting for font color (or font type for that matter) so the font most likely stayed like it was in the previously loaded theme |
| 21:51:08 | dwihno | woodensoul: depending on the quality of the optical drive on my new notebook, I'll perhaps just get an external for that purpose (I do listen to a lot of music) |
| 21:51:45 | woodensoul | dwihno: I got an enclosure for laptop ripping because in my experience all laptop drives are horrible at ripping with the setup I use. |
| 21:52:03 | woodensoul | very slow and horrible with scratches |
| 21:52:11 | lostlogic | petur: hmph, neat! |
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| 21:52:43 | benanne | hmm, it crashed again after I disconnected it :( |
| 21:52:48 | benanne | the theme is fixed now though |
| 21:53:26 | petur | benanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there |
| 21:53:28 | dwihno | woodensoul: that's kind of what I am expecting. |
| 21:53:35 | benanne | hmm, slightly annoying, but oh well |
| 21:53:38 | * | petur wonders about the echo |
| 21:53:57 | woodensoul | Ripping in burst mode will be fast, but the quality will make it useless. |
| 21:54:23 | petur | *never* rip in burst mode |
| 21:54:42 | petur | it's a recipe for bad rips |
| 21:54:52 | benanne | no wait, not fixed :( |
| 21:55:13 | petur | benanne: what are you doing? |
| 21:55:32 | benanne | trying to fix my theme trouble |
| 21:55:37 | benanne | it seems to have combined two themes now |
| 21:55:47 | benanne | the white background from the jack2 theme with the white text from the neeon black theme |
| 21:55:50 | woodensoul | if you need a suggestion for a drive that's good for ripping audio and happens to burn DL DVDs as a bonus... Toshiba SD-R 5372 |
| 21:56:10 | woodensoul | I actually find it better than the Plextor Premium often and that's really saying something |
| 21:56:16 | woodensoul | I got it for less than $50. |
| 21:56:23 | petur | benanne: a theme consist of a .wps and a .cfg - you need both |
| 21:56:38 | benanne | I just extracted the zipfile into .rockbox |
| 21:56:43 | benanne | for both themes |
| 21:57:14 | petur | right, so one of the themes probably doesn't specify the bg color. bad theme :( |
| 21:57:20 | benanne | yeah |
| 21:57:46 | benanne | I think i'll just reinstall or something |
| 21:58:33 | * | woodensoul is off to finish season 3 of 24. |
| 21:58:39 | petur | if you change a setting, you need to stop the ipod a normal way for the setting to get stored. If you reset it or plug the usb cable it reboots without saving (again, known problem) |
| 21:58:45 | benanne | oh, damn |
| 21:58:49 | benanne | okay |
| 21:58:52 | petur | benanne: switch on hold while booting |
| 21:59:00 | petur | it will reset your settings |
| 21:59:04 | benanne | oh lol |
| 21:59:08 | benanne | well i'm already reinstalling heh |
| 21:59:18 | petur | won't help you.... |
| 21:59:26 | petur | settings aren't stored in a file :p |
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| 22:00:03 | benanne | oh |
| 22:00:03 | benanne | lol |
| 22:00:04 | RedBreva | benanne: Try the themes from http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_176x132x16.html, I have tested most of them on my own Nano, and they worked OK... |
| 22:00:37 | benanne | menu is fixed now though |
| 22:00:48 | benanne | yay :) |
| 22:00:51 | benanne | its very sexy now |
| 22:00:54 | benanne | entirely black :D |
| 22:01:08 | petur | with black text? :D |
| 22:01:17 | benanne | lol no |
| 22:01:21 | benanne | I get "error accessing playlist control file" now though :( |
| 22:01:23 | petur | just kidding |
| 22:01:50 | benanne | but playback works fine |
| 22:01:55 | bluebrother | RedBreva: how have you build up your themes page? Is it statically? |
| 22:02:07 | RedBreva | Also, good tip is boot into Apple firmware before connecting to PC, the USB mode is *way* faster than the bootloader USB mode (At The Moment) and if you have the option to 'Eject' the device before unplugging, it seems to help |
| 22:02:10 | benanne | very nice, heh |
| 22:02:18 | RedBreva | bluebrother: Yep, afraid so.. |
| 22:02:32 | benanne | well, i always do "eject /dev/sdb" before unplugging |
| 22:02:40 | benanne | the last time it seemed to work without having to hard reset |
| 22:02:54 | bluebrother | hmm, I just had the idea of having something that builds up automatically. Like having a .zip and a description file |
| 22:03:06 | benanne | ah, it has an equalizer :o |
| 22:03:06 | benanne | yay! |
| 22:03:20 | bluebrother | maybe I should start looking into php again ... |
| 22:03:47 | bluebrother | shouldn't be difficult. Maybe rockbox itself wants to host something like that? |
| 22:03:58 | RedBreva | The idea was to get a site that worked first, and then work out some automation later, but then I had a hernia repair, and sitting up for more than 20 minutes became difficult for a few weeks... |
| 22:04:00 | benanne | php is evil :p |
| 22:04:15 | bluebrother | php is great ;-) |
| 22:04:18 | petur | RedBreva: ouch! |
| 22:04:28 | RedBreva | I know... :( |
| 22:04:29 | benanne | I hate php |
| 22:04:33 | * | benanne is a ruby on rails zealot |
| 22:04:58 | bluebrother | RedBreva: can you run php scripts? |
| 22:05:31 | RedBreva | me personally, no I can't cout that fast, but I believe my ISP can ;-) |
| 22:05:43 | RedBreva | cout = count |
| 22:06:09 | RedBreva | damn, real life calls again.... later guys |
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| 22:07:42 | benanne | heehee, I like the special effects |
| 22:07:45 | benanne | fadeout blacklight etc :D |
| 22:07:54 | benanne | woo, gapless :o |
| 22:08:25 | benanne | very nice |
| 22:08:53 | benanne | now, I need some more bass >:) |
| 22:08:57 | * | benanne toys with the equalizer |
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| 22:10:11 | benanne | haha, great stuff |
| 22:10:30 | benanne | the slight cosmetic errors here and there aren't going to stop me from enjoying it :) thanks guys |
| 22:11:27 | petur | as they say, it can only get better ;) |
| 22:12:36 | benanne | is it me or does it boot faster than the default firmware :p |
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| 22:51:08 | aghaster | Am I alone experiencing random freezes with latest cvs version? I did compile it by myself, maybe its the cause, I don't know |
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| 22:53:43 | stevenm | Hey we got slashdotted |
| 22:53:56 | benanne | hah, cool |
| 22:54:20 | petur | not so much as last time |
| 22:54:31 | stevenm | yea but still |
| 22:54:33 | petur | server is still up :D |
| 22:54:42 | stevenm | at least they're not looking for RB 3.0 |
| 22:55:12 | stevenm | is it some sort of bug with the cypress chip? maybe some junk gets written to it by accident or something |
| 22:55:23 | stevenm | and it turns everything on and kills the battery |
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| 22:59:31 | pekuja | Hi. I have an iriver H320. I was looking at the Rockbox page, and the front page and the WhyRockBox page seem to say that the H3xx-series is supported, but the FAQ says that it's still in development. Which is true? |
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| 23:00:16 | pekuja | I understand there is a bootloader, but is it currently at a state that I as a user should be interested in installing it? |
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| 23:00:36 | crashd | pekuja: it works really well on the h320 |
| 23:00:36 | crashd | however |
| 23:00:39 | crashd | there _are_ bugs |
| 23:00:50 | pekuja | ok |
| 23:00:53 | crashd | and as such, you may encounter them using it as an end user, having said that |
| 23:01:05 | pekuja | I understand. |
| 23:01:06 | crashd | i use rockbox on my 5g ipod, and that's been in development for much less time than the H series of irivers |
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| 23:01:42 | pekuja | It's possible to dual boot to the iriver firmware or completely uninstall Rockbox if it doesn't work for me, right? |
| 23:01:48 | crashd | yup |
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| 23:01:57 | pekuja | I'm quite interested in trying it out even if it turns out not to be stable enough or whatever. :-) |
| 23:02:13 | crashd | well, it's pretty solid on the ipod, from what i hear the H3XX series is pretty rock solid |
| 23:02:17 | pekuja | Thanks. I think I'll go download the firmware. |
| 23:02:21 | pekuja | wow. |
| 23:02:26 | petur | pekuja: also note that battery life is a bit worse than iriver firmware, a bug that still needs fixing |
| 23:03:08 | petur | all other things are better than iriver firmware ;) |
| 23:06:14 | Tom_ | apart from you can't use the SRS WOW :( |
| 23:06:23 | petur | bleh |
| 23:06:51 | petur | that crap ruins your music |
| 23:07:06 | Tom_ | how does it 'ruin' your music? |
| 23:07:17 | Febs | As far as I'm concerned, the lack of SRS WOW is a feature. |
| 23:07:26 | petur | it makes it sound bad |
| 23:07:43 | Tom_ | how does it make it sound 'bad' ? |
| 23:08:33 | Febs | By altering phase information to simulate spatial cues, for one thing. |
| 23:08:37 | petur | as in 'not as intended by the artist' ? times 10 |
| 23:08:58 | pekuja | what's SRS WOW? |
| 23:09:05 | Tom_ | listening to your music in mp3/ogg isn't intended by the artist |
| 23:09:13 | Febs | BS. |
| 23:09:14 | petur | rotfl |
| 23:09:46 | Tom_ | Yeah k, elvis intended his music to be ripped to MP3. Nice! |
| 23:09:46 | bluebrother | Febs: have you noted my comment on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458 |
| 23:10:10 | pekuja | is there no Linux version of the H3xx firmware patcher? |
| 23:10:26 | Tom_ | run it under wine |
| 23:10:28 | deadlierc | *crosses fingers* okay, boot!! |
| 23:10:38 | pekuja | Tom_, does it run under wine? |
| 23:10:44 | bluebrother | I'm thinking if it would be better using <name>-<resolution>-<name> or omitting the <resolution> if <name> is used. |
| 23:10:45 | Tom_ | yes |
| 23:11:17 | Tom_ | Come on Febs, did Elvis really intend you to listen to his music in MP3 format? |
| 23:11:19 | deadlierc | well, no luck :( |
| 23:11:25 | Tom_ | Or is that BS too? |
| 23:11:32 | Bagder | /whois Elvis |
| 23:11:35 | Bagder | oops |
| 23:11:48 | deadlierc | does Rockbox take a while to load or should it go right away? (4g iPod) |
| 23:11:50 | bluebrother | let me guess ... Elvis isn't on this channel? |
| 23:11:57 | pekuja | I doubt Elvis cared about the format you listen to it in |
| 23:11:59 | Febs | If you take care in encoding your mp3/ogg, the result can be perceptually transparent , ie., indistinguishable from the CD. |
| 23:12:07 | pekuja | s/it/his music/ |
| 23:12:51 | Febs | Personally, I have produced three CDs and recorded on several others. I've never found an SRS WOW setting that is even close to anything *I* intended for that music. |
| 23:13:04 | Febs | MP3s made from my CD, however, sound like my CD. |
| 23:13:07 | Tom_ | did you try setting it up ? |
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| 23:13:23 | Tom_ | 'like' being the key word |
| 23:13:27 | Febs | bluebrother, I like your proposal. |
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| 23:13:47 | bluebrother | I would vote for keeping the resolution. |
| 23:14:03 | Febs | like = indistuinguishable in a double-blind test. |
| 23:14:13 | pekuja | not that I need it, but since you said that Rockbox is better than iriver firmware in every way, does Rockbox also play videos? |
| 23:14:26 | bluebrother | then I'll try to finish my screenshot macro hacking ;-) |
| 23:14:53 | Tom_ | no, that's not the defintion of like Febs, go read the dictionary |
| 23:15:16 | Febs | I see we have a master of rhetoric among us. |
| 23:16:29 | Febs | From Dictionary.com. Like: "Possessing *the same* or almost the same characteristics; similar: on this and like occasions." (emphasis mine) |
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| 23:17:23 | Bagder | Tom_: please drop the attitude |
| 23:17:30 | | Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:17:30 | Bagder | it'll make this a nicer place |
| 23:17:33 | Tom_ | He's got the attitude, not me. |
| 23:17:42 | Febs | bluebrother, what do you think of the screen shots for larger screen platforms like the H300 and ipod video? |
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| 23:17:46 | Bagder | you're the noob, Febs is not |
| 23:17:59 | Tom_ | How do you know I'm a 'noob' ? |
| 23:18:03 | stevenm | pekuja, not quite yet. well, not on iriver anyway |
| 23:18:12 | bluebrother | Febs: we need to decide which goes as "natural" screenshot. |
| 23:18:16 | stevenm | pekuja, gets 70fps on archis though |
| 23:18:21 | stevenm | archos |
| 23:18:35 | Tom_ | just because you haven't incorporated one of the better functions into your Rockbox firmware, I'm a noob? |
| 23:18:35 | pekuja | stevenm, ok, cool |
| 23:18:39 | Febs | Yeah, IMO, those screenshots are very difficult to read. |
| 23:18:42 | bluebrother | i.e. having h300 as -220x176x16 and the video -220-176-16-video |
| 23:18:47 | bluebrother | or different way round. |
| 23:18:58 | Febs | Or using a bigger font? |
| 23:19:05 | stevenm | pekuja, not on iriver... i think there's some ogg/theora in the works.. but i dont know. you can always boot to original fw for that |
| 23:19:31 | zivan56 | http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/166210 - SanDisk Baits Apple And Woos Rockbox, how is Rockbox being wooed? ;) |
| 23:19:33 | pekuja | stevenm, oh, I don't need it really. I never used it other than watching the demo video once :-P |
| 23:19:33 | bluebrother | using a bigger font was suggested for 3.1, wasn't it? So we could use that bigger font ... if we knew which it will be |
| 23:19:36 | Tom_ | Well Bagder? Or are you going to continually brown nose your friend? |
| 23:19:39 | Bagder | Tom_: so implement it and show us how god you are |
| 23:19:45 | Kick | (#Rockbox Tom_ :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
| 23:20:06 | pekuja | stevenm, it seemed too limited. dunno if it was really all that hard to use though, but I didn't really have a need to watch videos on the go |
| 23:20:23 | Febs | bluebrother, I haven't looked at the 3.1 goals recently, but I would definitely support a bigger system font. |
| 23:20:23 | stevenm | yea |
| 23:21:05 | Febs | Tom_,(1) whether SRS WOW is a "better" function is something that is highly subjective. |
| 23:21:13 | bluebrother | I'd say postpone the bigger resolution problem past 3.0 |
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| 23:21:33 | bluebrother | and try to get it "smooth" internally now. |
| 23:21:37 | Febs | (2) Rockbox has a number of features, in particular parametric EQ and crossfeed, that are IMO "better" than SRS WOW |
| 23:21:51 | crashd | bluebrother: do we really need to waste cycles on anti-aliasing? |
| 23:21:54 | bluebrother | a bigger font would definitely better and imo the best solution. |
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| 23:21:58 | Febs | blueborther, sounds like a plan. |
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| 23:22:35 | bluebrother | crash: cycles on antialiasing? On displaying the manual? Or what do you mean? |
| 23:22:38 | Febs | Tom_, but nothing stops you (or anyone else who is interested) in implementing an SRS WOW feature if you'd like to have one. |
| 23:23:02 | Mikachu | Febs: this is why we use tabcomplete :) |
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| 23:23:55 | Febs | Tom_, actually, that's not quite true. Dolby's patents stop you from doing so, but you could implement an SRS-like feature. |
| 23:24:19 | crashd | isn't "SRS-WOW" just ridiculously boosted bass? |
| 23:24:19 | Mikachu | hm, he replied to ping in 1.7 seconds but looks like lagging anyway? weird |
| 23:24:28 | Febs | Mikachu, no tab complete on the web interface :( and my company has a web filter that blocks me from using IRC. |
| 23:24:35 | Febs | IRC/MIRC |
| 23:24:48 | Mikachu | in case you didn't notice, bagder kicked him a while ago |
| 23:25:03 | Febs | Oh. |
| 23:25:05 | * | Febs blushes. |
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| 23:26:22 | pekuja | ok, I think my iriver is broken now, and I didn't even install Rockbox yet O__o |
| 23:27:05 | pekuja | I have nothing plugged into it, and then it says "charging..." "complete" "connected" and then won't react to anything but a hard reset |
| 23:27:09 | pekuja | weird |
| 23:27:40 | Febs | pekuja, go to misticriver.net and look for the thread called "How to fix the [rare] always connected bug." |
| 23:27:56 | pekuja | whoa, thanks |
| 23:28:59 | Febs | Here's a link: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=26516&highlight=rare+connected |
| 23:29:14 | Febs | No guarantees, but I know that has worked for some people. |
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| 23:35:05 | pekuja | Febs, it worked swell. thanks |
| 23:35:28 | pekuja | didn't have any wire around, had to use two pins, but worked all the same |
| 23:36:07 | petur | amiconn? |
| 23:38:22 | pekuja | yeih, it's working now |
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| 23:40:07 | bluebrother | RedBreva: I was playing around a bit with a themes php script ... tell me if you're interested (and are reading this ;-) |
| 23:40:51 | Febs | pekuja, I'm glad to hear it worked. |
| 23:40:53 | dionoea | hello all. I used to have an archos recorder 6GB with rockbox (which i really enjoyed using) and i'm planning on buying a new mp3 player. Is the rockbox port for video iPods usable ? |
| 23:41:24 | Febs | dionoea, I've been using it since the day I bought my ipod about a month and a half ago. |
| 23:41:39 | dionoea | nice :) |
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| 23:43:09 | dionoea | any known issues ? (other than battery life being shorter than with original apple firmware) |
| 23:43:10 | yodaz | hi all |
| 23:43:28 | dionoea | (i'd be glad to help fixing bugs in rockbox if i do buy an iPod) |
| 23:43:38 | yodaz | is it possible to install rockbox on an ipod mini 1st gen with only one fat 32 partition |
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| 23:44:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Slashdot and Engadget today apparently. |
| 23:44:39 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:44:45 | * | petur tries to understand cpu_boost() ... what a strange way to code that logic |
| 23:44:46 | Bagder | premature is not even the name for it |
| 23:44:48 | yodaz | the goal is using the ipode mini as a standard usb key, and rockbox to play mp3 |
| 23:44:51 | Febs | dionoea, if you use a WPS with peakmeters active, or if you use the graphic EQ, it can cause skipping. |
| 23:45:34 | obo | Is AAC planned as part of 3.0? (it's just there was some talk of dropping it...) |
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| 23:45:55 | dionoea | i saw that some nice color WPS were available ... that's an improvement over the archos recorder :) |
| 23:46:01 | Febs | Likewise, if you spin through the scroll wheel too fast, that can cause music to glitch. But these are relatively small things. |
| 23:46:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing. |
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| 23:46:10 | dionoea | was the album art patch commited to trunk ? |
| 23:46:30 | dionoea | Febs: so it basically works ok all the time ? :) |
| 23:46:37 | Febs | No, the album art an unofficial patch. |
| 23:47:18 | nudelyn | :( |
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| 23:47:37 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm glad I haven't said more about in public than what I have |
| 23:47:41 | sbrick89 | anyone know what the chances are, of rockbox being ported to other players? |
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| 23:48:16 | Bagder | sbrick89: we've been doing new platforms since the start |
| 23:48:32 | zivan56 | how exactly is Sandisk "wooing" Rockbox? Or is this just speculation from IRC/Forum posts |
| 23:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: You think it's just someone who picked it up from like, the IRC logs? |
| 23:48:48 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, and my mention it in the forums |
| 23:49:01 | sbrick89 | ok more specifically, is there a list of platforms that rockbox is being actively ported to? |
| 23:49:02 | dionoea | btw, i was wondering if some of the new players would work as usb hosts, like archo's gmini 402 for example? (any known hardware related problems?) |
| 23:49:28 | dionoea | (and provided that a usb driver existed in rockbox for those players) |
| 23:49:36 | Febs | Well, the story has hit CNET as well: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029432,49273890,00.htm |
| 23:49:44 | petur | Bagder: they must have missed the initial mail by paprica on the ml |
| 23:49:45 | Bagder | sbrick89: gigabeat is in the pipe and ifp-799 |
| 23:49:58 | Bagder | petur: that was on the committers list |
| 23:50:05 | petur | was it? |
| 23:50:09 | pekuja | Hm... Rockbox seems to be pretty neat. |
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| 23:50:33 | pekuja | The UI is a bit crude, but at least it's less confusing than iriver's original. |
| 23:50:35 | obo | Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/rockbox-on-the-sandisk-sansa-e200-series.php |
| 23:50:39 | petur | Bagder: oh right.... |
| 23:50:48 | hardeep | Anyone here of this school project: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=187340&cid=15458147 ? |
| 23:50:52 | pekuja | although the huge menu can probably get a bit annoying |
| 23:51:06 | Febs | I can't help but wonder if SanDisk didn't leak the info itself. |
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| 23:51:49 | pekuja | the seamless playback is cool. I like listening to progressive rock, many of those albums are designed to be played seamlessly |
| 23:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the CNET one led to the Slashdot one. |
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| 23:53:22 | Mikachu | there are like a hundred people in here that could have seen the conversation |
| 23:53:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: That is possible, since "Open Source Firmware" is the opposite end of the spectrum from how closed Apple's iBlah system is, and Sandisk has been going very anti-iPod right now. |
| 23:54:08 | sbrick89 | bagder: so i guess my lyra's prolly not getting much attention?... das cool, just wanted to know |
| 23:54:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Some players have the hardware for USB Host (the iRiver H300 and iAudio X5 do) but Rockbox doesn't have any support for it yet. |
| 23:54:29 | Bagder | sbrick89: there's not been any reports about any such attempts, afaik |
| 23:54:43 | Bagder | sbrick89: a port needs one or a team of interested people, and then just go |
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| 23:54:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: I thought the RCA Lyra had been brought up in the newport forum at least |
| 23:55:06 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: so the hardware is specific to host or slave ? or is the difference software only ? (/me doens't know anything about USB) |
| 23:55:09 | sbrick89 | well.. it needs knowledgable people w/ available equipment to test on, etc... |
| 23:55:10 | yodaz | is there a way to use an ipod with rockbox as a standard usb key formatted in fat32 with only one partition ? |
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| 23:55:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | sbrick89: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4396.0 |
| 23:55:24 | sbrick89 | i've *no idea* about the platform that any of these things use |
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| 23:55:25 | Bagder | ah yes, "port soon" it says |
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| 23:55:40 | Mikachu | yodaz: that is how you're supposed to use it |
| 23:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, "port soon" is somewhat optimistic since it seems little actual programming is being done by them. ;) |
| 23:55:49 | Bagder | sbrick89: we know that already |
| 23:56:00 | Bagder | tms320 |
| 23:56:06 | Bagder | meet TI |
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| 23:56:11 | Bagder | fear TI |
| 23:56:37 | yodaz | Mikachu: ok, so if i drop all partition on my ipod, then create just one in fat32, I can install rockbox on it and it will works ? |
| 23:56:42 | sbrick89 | hm... i like how this IRC client highlights people sayin my name ;) |
| 23:56:42 | sbrick89 | anyway |
| 23:56:52 | Mikachu | yodaz: not literally, but yes :) |
| 23:57:01 | yodaz | Mikachu: wonderful :) |
| 23:57:07 | Mikachu | yodaz: you will have two partitions like you have with the stock ipod firmware |
| 23:57:09 | BioVorE | sbrick89: what irc client? |
| 23:57:10 | yodaz | you just ROCKS guys ! |
| 23:57:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: In many cases the hardware can only be slave, yes. I _think_ that someone has said the iPod Hardware could potentially allow host too, since it's actually more software controlled, but I really don't know too much about it either, just what I've observed people saying. |
| 23:57:30 | Bagder | in fact, I _think_ it uses a tms320 since the Lyra RD2780 does |
| 23:58:00 | sbrick89 | bagder: i'm sure ya know... like i said was just curious since i'd love to use the FM as a recorder, which the lyra chooses not to allow :P |
| 23:58:01 | sbrick89 | thx :) |
| 23:58:17 | sbrick89 | BioVorE: the web/cgi client on their website |
| 23:58:29 | Bagder | sbrick89: gather all your geek friends owning such players and get a port started! |
| 23:58:52 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks for the info |
| 23:58:52 | Bagder | we'll send you a beer when you're done! |
| 23:58:54 | sbrick89 | i'm already working on enough stuff, thx though |
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