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#rockbox log for 2006-06-03

00:00:01yodazMikachu: hmm I must have two partition already ?
00:00:07BioVorEsbrick89: ah.. kvirc dose that highlighting thing too
00:00:16Mikachuyodaz: maybe you should just read the installation instructions?
00:00:50yodazMikachu: I have read the installation instructions
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00:01:43sbrick89welp, i'm outty
00:01:44sbrick89thx again
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00:02:34yodazMikachu: but in fact the problem is that I have a dvd/divx home player that can only read usb key with one fat32 partition
00:02:41Paul_The_NerdFebs: I think people are just too used to software where the new version is kept under wraps until there's a Release Candidate, unless you actually get it from CVS and compile yourself.
00:03:12Mikachuyodaz: it might work and it might not, the other partition is "hidden"
00:03:22yodazMikachu: ok
00:04:20yodazbut I have tried and my home dvd/divx player doesn't recognize the ipod :-\
00:05:26yodazperhaps I should buy a most "smart" home divx player :)
00:05:31dionoealast question before i go to sleep: is video decoding support already being worked on on the iPod ? or maybe volunteers wanted ?
00:06:00yodazanyway rockbox on ipode just rocks because I can play my ogg tune
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00:06:58bluebrotherdamn, I'm kinda sarcastic today :D
00:09:09Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Nobody seems to be working on it.
00:10:57dionoeawell i'll have a look when once i buy the iPod :D (understanding how to interact with the video decoding hardware might be fun ... if specs are available :) )
00:11:38Bagderno such things available
00:12:19dionoeacrap :) i guess that the only alternative is blackmailing one of the chip's manufacturers
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00:14:05dionoealast question (even if this isn't the best chan to ask for an objective answer): how does ipod linux compare to rockbox in terms of features/quality/... ?
00:15:15Paul_The_NerdDifferent design philosophies mean you can't really objectively compare them.
00:15:24aghasterlast time i tried ipodlinux, it was very buggy. but that was months ago
00:15:28yodazdionoea: It depends on how you intend to use your player
00:16:00pekujadoes Rockbox do USB charging on an iriver?
00:16:14yodazdionoea: If you wanna use your ipod as a pda, ipodlinux is a little better
00:16:32dionoeayodaz: using a shell with 6 buttons might be a bit difficult :)
00:16:34yodazbut If you just want a music player rockbox is perfect
00:17:13yodazdionoea: :)
00:17:59dionoeabut since they have all those keyboard hacks listed on the wiki... who knows
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00:21:24yodazdionoea: I don't think that using an ipod for other things like playing music or videos is a good idea
00:21:59mockerdionoea: I installed rockbox yesterday on my ipod nano and am in love. :)
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00:25:08mockerI just need to figure out the best way to manage my files now. ;)
00:25:09pekujathe Rockbox Info shows me a battery state of 88% 7h 53m on my H320, how accurate is that?
00:26:09dionoeamocker: hehe :)
00:26:23dionoeai heard about some new media database stuff in rockbox.
00:26:32dionoeadoes that work well ?
00:27:30Paul_The_Nerddionoea: TagCache works alright. Not perfect yet, and has some notable flaws (for example, songs don't get removed from the database, so you have to delete it and tell it to rebuild)
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00:34:03dionoeahum, navigating the simulator with a laptop's keyboard isn't really easy
00:34:46mockerdionoea: I haven't even tried.
00:35:03mockerdionoea: One of the reason's I installed rockbox was to get away from a "media database"
00:35:23dionoearha! i can't draw new cards in solitaire :)
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00:37:02Andy__hum.. how do i access the "committers ml" about the sandisk e200 stuff? ( i have cvs commit access.. :) )
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00:42:52YouCeyEhello.. how can i make my h10 display the cover while playing a song?
00:43:19Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: I don't believe the H10 has cover art.
00:43:20BagderRockbox doesn't run on h10
00:43:54YouCeyEPaul_The_Nerd, so it just displays jpegs in photo mode?
00:45:29mockerAnyone know if
00:45:32YouCeyEBagder, are there any future plans for developing rockbox on h10?
00:45:35mockerwill work on the nano?
00:46:01Paul_The_NerdYouCeyE: Anyone who wants to is free to start a new port.
00:46:02BagderYouCeyE: if someone with an h10 makes that work then sure
00:48:00YouCeyEi heard that it has the same chip as ipod?
00:48:05YouCeyEthe 20 gb one
00:48:28BagderYouCeyE: see here =>
00:48:42YouCeyEi am interested in getting involved but have limited exp in embedded firmware development
00:48:52YouCeyEany nice howtos.. with small examples?
00:49:18YouCeyEi am on debian linux.. can u suggest some good ide to work on
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00:49:25bluebrothermocker: video works only on archos devices. And only the rockbox-specific rvf
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01:00:46YouCeyEwhat is this feature called? dap showing cover while playing mp3.. cover art?
01:01:01midkayalbum art.. cover art..
01:01:15YouCeyEipod supports it?
01:01:23midkaythere's a patch that calls it 'album art'.
01:01:27YouCeyEand iriver doesnt?
01:01:31midkaynot in Rockbox, only as a patch.
01:02:15midkayBagder, um, nite? :)
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01:18:35pekujahm... there should really be a prioritation for the music playback
01:19:03pekujaI mean it's annoying if you're playing music and playing around with the plugins and suddenly the music stops because the plugin is hogging all the resources
01:19:25midkaythen plugins run really slow..
01:19:36midkaymusic playback + plugins = simply bad, for now.
01:19:48midkaynothing is really optimized or fully taken advantage of.
01:20:03midkayin its current state the goal is simply to get everything working, optimization comes later.
01:20:04pekujawell, I think it's better for the plugin to run slow than the music to stop
01:20:11pekujabut yeah I agree
01:20:39pekujaI can just shut the plugin down if it hogs all the resources
01:23:07*midkay shrugs
01:23:16midkayit's not that it's really a bad idea, just nobody's done it..
01:23:26midkayeither way, it needs to be really 'fixed', so nobody has really bothered..
01:23:35midkayit's just a small, rather bad workaround for the larger problem.
01:23:35Mikachumaking a scheduler is probably not a trivial task
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01:36:56kkurbjunwhat does rb->iso_decode do, also, what's it's return value
01:37:11kkurbjunor what does it return that is
01:39:24Mikachui would guess it converts the 'native' encoding to utf8
01:41:16kkurbjunahh, thanks
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02:41:20agentorange711is anyone in here?
02:43:33agentorange711do you know much about getting rockbox onto an ipod?
02:44:59Paul_the_NerdWhat problem are you having?
02:45:54agentorange711if i decide that i don't like rockbox could i reinstall the original ipod firmware?
02:46:49Paul_the_NerdThey also exist alongside, so when Rockbox is on it, you can also boot into the Apple firmware if you feel you want to.
02:47:33agentorange711i haven't actually gottne rockbox on yet, im doing that as we speak, how long does it normally take?
02:47:53Paul_the_NerdDepends on how confused you get by the instructions.
02:48:28agentorange711im not actually reading ahead, but they are pretty straightforeward
02:48:29Paul_the_NerdIf I had all the files downloaded, I could probably do it in under a minute.
02:48:55Paul_the_NerdBut that being said, I've done several installations, and so on, so it's almost habit now.
02:49:31agentorange711i just unzipped the files into the main drive folder
02:50:08Paul_the_NerdAnd you've done all the ipodpatcher (or dd if you're in linux/unix/OSX) and ipod_fw steps?
02:50:11agentorange711it seems as if that all i have to do
02:50:21agentorange711what are those
02:50:28Paul_the_NerdAlright, where are you getting instructions from?
02:50:58agentorange711i found a pdf file on the website
02:51:01Paul_the_NerdYou should be following these:
02:51:09midkayPaul_the_Nerd, check your nick capitalization! :(
02:51:11agentorange711thank you
02:51:20midkayxchat has chosen a new color for the new case, and i miss the old green.
02:51:25Paul_the_NerdThe Manual tells you to install the bootloader, but I don't believe it tells you where.
02:51:26midkaynow you're red.
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02:51:31Paul_The_NerdThat better?
02:51:32midkaymerci. :DDDD
02:51:34midkayah. yes.
02:51:36midkayyou're actually ltblue.
02:52:14Paul_The_NerdYeah, I get used to looking for people in certain colors, but every now and then I do something and my client reassigns colors, and suddenly I get confused by who's saying what.
02:52:55midkaycolors are a nice subliminal-ish ..... thing.
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02:53:45midkayinstalled "nicenicks" a few days ago.. supposed to give each nick its own absolutely unique color (since xchat by default simply randomly assigns like 10 basic colors)..
02:53:51midkaybut it changed everything.. so i uninstalled it. :) is good if you use irssi
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02:54:31Paul_The_NerdIt seems to me someone could come up with simply generating a color based on the nickname (with maybe a case sensitive switch).
02:54:39Mikachuyes, that's what it does
02:54:47calibrettodoes anyone know if the Bauer stereophonic-to-binaural DSP plug could be ported to ROckbox?
02:55:31Paul_The_Nerdcalibretto: From reading about it, is it similar to our "crossfeed" feature?
02:56:03Paul_The_NerdNot to be confused with crossfade. Seriously, one of those needs a new name.
02:56:14calibrettohehe, I understand your confusion
02:57:00calibrettowell, binaural is a way of recording with a dummy head with two microphones inserted at where the ears would be
02:57:12calibrettocrossfeed attempts to create a better stereo image
02:57:29Mikachuand stereo to binaural attemps to simulate having done that?
02:57:30calibrettohow different and how alike they are? I can't tell youe xactly
02:57:36agentorange711im stuck on the command prompt part
02:57:42agentorange711can anyone help me on ther
02:57:42calibrettoMikachu: yes
02:57:59Paul_The_Nerdagentorange711: What problem are you having with it?
02:58:17calibrettoI haven't installed Rockbox yet...I just learned about it from /.
02:58:28Paul_The_Nerdcalibretto: Either way, if the DSP can be expressed as fixed point C code, I don't see why it couldn't be ported.
02:58:42Mikachuit has to be relatively fast too...
02:58:51Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Well, it makes a claim for speed.
02:58:53agentorange711every time i type in cd \rockbox it gives me some sort of messege like this system cannot find this path
02:59:46Paul_The_Nerdagentorange711: Is there a C:\Rockbox folder?
03:00:08agentorange711i really feel like an idiot now
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03:16:14agentorange711i put the bootloader on and i extracted the files to the root folder, then i held the play button for 5 seconds to turn the ipod off, when i turned it back on, it was still running the ipod firmware
03:16:19agentorange711what did i do wrong?
03:17:37agentorange711is anyone in here?
03:18:14PaulJamI think you need to reset the ipod, but i don't know the button combination
03:18:33Paul_The_NerdThe play button doesn't turn it off in the Apple firmware
03:18:36Paul_The_NerdIt just makes it sleep
03:18:40Paul_The_NerdHold Menu+Select instead
03:19:01agentorange711for how long?
03:19:14Paul_The_NerdUntil it reboots?
03:20:03Paul_The_NerdIt should be just a few seconds, but if your finger wiggles on the scrollwheel it can cause it not to work, or to take a bit longer. It seems to interrupt it if it picks up a scroll, sometimes.
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03:20:53agentorange711there we go
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03:42:21agentorange711i just got rockbox on my ipod, now it crashed on me after working for about 5 minutes when i rebooted the ipod, the ipod gave me an error message and loaded the ipod firmware up, does anyone know whats going on?
03:43:04Paul_The_NerdWell, it'd probably also be helpful to know what the error message was.
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03:45:17agentorange711sorry, it just flashes on the screen really quickly, i think it said something like error -5 reloading original firmware or something like that
03:45:53Paul_The_NerdWell, the number actually tells us more about what's going on, so see if you can at least spot what error number it is.
03:46:51agentorange711it says rock box error: -5
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03:48:25agentorange711does that help at all
03:49:00Paul_The_NerdWell, I don't know which error message -5 is. Need to figure out what file to look it up in
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03:55:02agentorange711i just reinstalled it and it worked just fine, is there a way to navigate to where my itunes puts the music?
03:55:26Paul_The_NerdYou wouldn't be able to tell what the songs are named anyway, iTunes gives them random names like M4FL.m4a
03:55:50Paul_The_NerdIf you want to continue using iTunes, I recommend using TagCache to index your music
03:56:17agentorange711thanks, i am really liking this rock box thing
03:59:32AveI wonder what I'm doing wrong, but tagcache plain refuses to update properly even if I force it to
03:59:55Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean by "Update properly"?
04:00:21AveI transfew new music, force tag cache update, reboot, and it doesnt show up
04:00:57Paul_The_NerdAnd if you delete the entire tagcache, and start from scratch does it?
04:00:58Avemaybe I should start from empty .rockbox and make fresh zip
04:01:28Avehm I havent tried that,as per removing tc files
04:01:35Paul_The_NerdWhat format is the music in?
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04:03:52Avevorbis mostly
04:04:13Avesome are mp3s without any tags
04:04:36Paul_The_NerdWell, the mp3s without tags of course won't show up except in the untagged section.
04:04:47Paul_The_NerdI believe there is one.
04:05:08Paul_The_NerdAfter the "Force TagCache Update" does it to "Committing TagCache" on the next boot?
04:07:00Paul_The_NerdAnd the files that are missing are definitely tagged with proper vorbis comments?
04:09:09Avebut even if they werent, shouldnt they show in the untagged
04:09:29AveI'll try remove the files and update
04:09:38Paul_The_NerdYou'd think so.
04:09:44Paul_The_NerdHow many total songs do you have on your player?
04:09:52Avearound 200
04:10:07Ave2G ipod nano
04:10:10Paul_The_NerdSo it's definitely not the too many issue.
04:10:56Paul_The_NerdI've never had any problem with it picking up new files.
04:11:34Aveif I save my settings and start fresh, there nothing I'll lose, right?
04:11:44AveI even packaged up my own wps..
04:14:24Aveok now I have to test it
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04:18:56moda|ASOTthis is so annoying :(
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04:29:09moda|ASOThrm... maybe i can hack off half an old cf card to get it to fit or something
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05:17:26moda`anyone know anyone who has a dead ipod or anything like that?
05:18:27PresenceI have a dead bottle of pepsi.
05:19:22moda`:( not helping
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05:22:30sharpei've a dead battery.
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05:30:12sharpein what way is your ipod dead?
05:30:24moda|ASOTsharpe: my irivers hdd is fried
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05:30:55moda|ASOTand so i need to get another hdd so i can put the firmware on it, flash it and then put all the original stuff back in to send it off to get fixed at the iriver place
05:31:05sharpei see...
05:31:09sharpewhy not buy a new hdd? :)
05:31:24moda|ASOTbecause im a cheapass and i dont want to spend huge amounts of monies
05:31:37sharpei believe that's somewhat impiled..
05:32:36zecelebrate, for i recieved my working replacement karma today!
05:33:22zepre-loaded with about 2000 tracks of mostly worthless junk and many low-quality rips some even with cd-scratch noise!
05:33:40zebut yes, woohoo.
05:33:47zemay i venture even perhaps
05:33:50sharpealright then. woohoo.
05:34:27zeit also means that i've got a little bit of spare parts, maybe
05:34:58moda|ASOTg0t 1.8inch toshiba drive? *hopes*
05:35:24zeand/or, if circumstances ever make it seem appropriate, the flash rom chip containing the unencrypted firmware that i may be able to remove from the mainboard
05:35:45zethose circumstances being access to some way of reading the contents of said flash rom chip
05:36:22dongslol whats this shit on shitdot about sandisk paying rockbox people to develop stuff
05:36:23zemoda|ASOT: its a hitatchi... the toshiba's are a different shape, aren't they?
05:37:07zeafaik hitatchi's are the only '1.8"' that're almost square and fit into the karma
05:37:34zeeverything else is longer and skinnier and fits into like whatever ipod takes the 1.8"
05:38:47moda|ASOThow much would a dead iriver h340 and all the accessories be?
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05:39:14zemay depend on whats dead about it
05:39:15dongsthats if youre lucky
05:39:35sharpehow *dead* do you want the iriver to be? :)
05:39:35moda|ASOThdd is dead, replace it and it should work.... gah
05:39:48zewell then its not really dead
05:39:52zeit just needs a new hd
05:40:10zeif it takes the non-hitatchi 1.8" drives, those're all over the place for pretty reasonable
05:40:24zereasonable as far as them little drives go
05:40:37zewhich is ridiculous as far as regular storage media goes
05:40:40sharpescore! i remembered the cvs update command.
05:41:43dongsso how did you kill it?
05:42:01sharpemy guess would be, with a knife.
05:42:15zei'd say it was defenestrated
05:42:18sharpeor other assorted violent weapon.
05:42:22dongsany battery life improvements on ipods?
05:42:25moda|ASOTno idea... it was working thursday morning, went to use it thursday arvo, and it wouldnt boot into rockbox, and it displayed 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware
05:42:29dongs(not that i care anywaY)
05:42:43moda|ASOTand then i took it apart, reseated it and now rockbox just goes error ata 11
05:42:54moda|ASOTand iriver says check hdd/ connection on boot :|
05:42:56zemoda|ASOT: does the HD make bad noises?
05:43:15zemaybe you didn't get stuff put together quite as well as they need to be
05:43:19moda|ASOTit starts up like normal
05:43:28moda|ASOTze: nah, its exactly how it was
05:43:40zedoesn't sound like it
05:43:59zeexactly how it was would've been not booting into rockbox and displaying 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware :p
05:44:21moda|ASOTyea, i think something may have happened, like the connecter got knocked or something.....
05:44:32moda|ASOTit wasnt detecting in windows even before i took it out
05:44:36zeget an adapter and hook the drive to your PC and check it out
05:44:42moda|ASOTand wouldnt format in the iriver firmware with both either
05:44:49moda|ASOThrm... gotta source one locally :|
05:44:56zegood luck
05:45:12zei mean it's totally possible
05:45:16zedepending on where you're at
05:45:26moda|ASOTaustralia :p
05:45:34zewell i mean like
05:45:45zejust as far as availability of such things in your local area
05:46:25zeyou're pretty likely to be able to fund one in a major city, but some backwoods where the only computer store's run buy a guy who's never heard of linux.... would be another matter :p
05:46:41sharpethat'd be funny.
05:47:05zealthough you can't really discount that lonely little computer store either
05:47:09Paul_The_Nerddongs: Seeing as the feature freeze hasn't been lifted, and the iPod isn't a release target, how were you expecting the iPod battery improvements to get into Rockbox?
05:47:32dongsPaul_The_Nerd: shrug
05:47:35zeif they don't have one, maybe they could at least order one
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05:47:53dongsPaul_The_Nerd: isnt thats what youve been working all last month?
05:47:57dongsi figured it would be done by now
05:48:41*Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic.
05:49:23Paul_The_NerdThere's also the fact that there's no release announcement anywhere, most notably the front page where the 2.5 one still resides
05:49:37dongshow is that relevant
05:49:55midkayum, if there was a release that's been like >1yr in-the-making, it'd PROBABLY be posted about somewhere..
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05:50:15dongsyes but 'improving ipod battery life' is hardly release-worthy news
05:50:19midkaymy bad, not even a year..
05:50:35midkayhe was talking about the freeze being lifted, meaning 3.0 would have had to have been released.
05:50:42midkaymeaning there would be an announcement.
05:51:10Paul_The_Nerddongs: No iPod-specific work can go into CVS, and so most devs aren't doing any. That's how it's entirely relevant. Until the freeze is lifted, don't expect iPod-only improvements.
05:53:16woodensoulCan you guys help me out with setting up the development environment?
05:53:26sharpesi senior.
05:53:52woodensoulI'm following the instructions on the site...
05:54:04woodensoulinstalling cygwin...
05:55:06woodensoulwhen selecting which packages to install, some other ones are automatically selected. Should I leave those or de-select them?
05:55:12sharpeleave them
05:55:46sharpei mean, they're not really pertaining to things used for rockbox, but it's a bitch to remove all of them. :)
05:56:08Paul_The_NerdAnd some of them may turn out to be useful later anyway
05:56:39woodensoulOK. Will do.
05:57:24moda|ASOTgah bah sah ahhhh!?!?!?!??! angry moda
06:00:17RoC_MMhow is upcoming 3.0 release coming?
06:00:44Galoisit's looking like windows vista...
06:01:22RoC_MMAt least you didn't say Duke Nukem Forever!
06:01:37Galoiswell I do work at microsoft you know
06:01:46Galoisnot for long, though
06:05:34dongscygwin installer is fucking idiotic
06:05:39dongsmuch like the rest of opensores shitware
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06:05:53dongsi cant belileve someone got paid to write that shit.
06:06:04Galoisdoes this belong here?
06:06:20dongsduno, just pointing out the obvious
06:06:32midkayit doesn't, no..
06:06:39Paul_The_NerdOut of curiosity why are you so rabidly open source, but actually interested in Rockbox?
06:06:46Paul_The_Nerdanti-open source
06:06:53Galoiscause, if we want to discuss shit installers, I can have a field day here
06:07:03bagawkdongs: without F/OSS, most of (if not all) the internet would be gone now
06:07:10dongsno, i disagree.
06:07:16dongsthere would be no blogs and other trash.
06:07:21dongsthat i can live without.
06:07:30Galoisdongs: there would be no freenode, so why the fuck are you here
06:08:10dongsGalois: oh please dont start on how freenode cannot be replaced.
06:08:23Galoishint for the mentally impaired (not to name names): freenode
06:08:28dongsits the project's choice to host their stuff on freenode. nothign is stopping them from picking one of 12343215325 other irc networks.
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06:08:58Paul_The_Nerddongs: Again, why the hell are you interested in Rockbox at all if you're so anti open source?
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06:09:11Galoisalso, all major irc networks use open source irc server software, a fact that you conveniently ignore
06:09:33dongsnow you're not even making sense.
06:09:37dongsi started by commenting that cygwin installer is shit.
06:09:47Galoisbelieve me I can talk about installers if you want
06:09:50Galoisbut that was roundly voted down
06:09:57Paul_The_NerdYes, but you frequently make negative comments about open source, and refer to it by derogatory names.
06:10:03Paul_The_NerdSo clearly you dislike the idea of open source software in generla
06:10:18dongsi dislike the idea of poor quality opensource software
06:10:21dongswhich is 99.999% of it out there.
06:11:13sharpeit's so great every once in a while there's a heated discussion.
06:11:23Paul_The_NerdYes, there's a lot of crappy open source software.
06:11:29dongsthats all.
06:11:30Paul_The_NerdThere's also a lot of crappy retail software
06:11:39Paul_The_NerdThe difference is, you have to PAY for retail software, just to find out it sucks.
06:11:52Paul_The_NerdMeanwhile, you actually insult the idea of open source, rather than individual software
06:11:55woodensoulWhy is this douchebag bothering us?
06:11:56dongsso you vote for its crappiness by not buying it.
06:12:05midkayabove all, dongs, i'm wondering why you still come here. honestly. you always moan and bitch about stuff that doesn't need it and/or is completely your *opinion*, then get disagreed with by everyone, and start an argument as if *your* opinion is the right one... why?
06:12:06Paul_The_NerdSo don't go with this whole "I just dislike poor quality open source software"
06:12:10Ribsand ditto with the crappy OS software
06:12:15dongsbut with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative.
06:12:25Paul_The_NerdBecause if it were just the software, you wouldn't be sitting around intentionally using terms like "open sores" and so on.
06:12:41Paul_The_Nerddongs: If there's no alternative, then technically it's the best program in its class
06:12:52Galoisthe idea that closed source is never forced upon a person is laughable
06:12:55Paul_The_NerdIt's not open source's fault that no retail equivalent is a better.
06:13:55*woodensoul wonders why dongs doesn't go suck a dong and leave us alone.
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06:14:22midkayat least he's quieted down, that's a start.
06:14:23dongs^ typical mature opensource reply
06:14:32midkayopensource reply. haha.
06:14:40sharpethat doesn't even make any sense...
06:14:45dongsit does
06:14:52midkaysharpe, isn't it clear? my reply was open-source..
06:14:56sharpein your twisted sense of reality, sure.
06:15:05sharpemidkay, does that mean i can get the source?! :)
06:15:06dongspick a random opensource project. find some problem with it(that part isnt hard). join their irc channel. complain about the said problem. gather typical opensource replies.
06:15:20midkaysharpe, yes! haha.c. google.
06:15:34sharpe119000 results!
06:15:35dongsthey would be : "its free, shut hte fuck up", ", feel free to fix it", etc.
06:15:40Paul_The_Nerddongs: You've still not answered most questions I've asked you
06:16:06midkaydongs, if nothing else, i should thank you for a couple chuckles.. but it's getting a bit old now.
06:16:06dongsPaul_The_Nerd: like what
06:16:22Paul_The_Nerddongs: "but with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative."
06:16:25Paul_The_Nerddongs: You said it, not I.
06:16:38dongslike say
06:16:46Paul_The_NerdI asked that if Open Source is the only way to solve a problem, how does that make it _worse_ than proprietary?
06:16:48dongsgraphics subsystem on linux.
06:16:49Paul_The_NerdAt least a solution exists.
06:16:52dongsX11 or whatever the fuck.
06:16:56Paul_The_NerdLinux is open source
06:17:00Paul_The_NerdYou don't HAVE to use linux.
06:17:05Paul_The_NerdGo use windows
06:17:08dongsits garbage. its also opensource. and there is no other alternative that is better (there are plenty that suck even more)
06:17:18dongsso thats a good example.
06:17:23Paul_The_NerdIt's not an example
06:17:27dongsyes it is.
06:17:29Paul_The_NerdThere is nobody twisting your arm to make you use Linux
06:17:39dongsbut if you ARE using it
06:17:43sharpewouldn't that be funny if there really were? :D
06:17:43dongsand you want a graphical environment
06:17:51Paul_The_NerdBut that's not a situation you're force into
06:17:54dongsyou have only one choice, which happens to be very poor.
06:17:56Paul_The_NerdThe problem can be avoided entirely by not using linux
06:18:11EbErToh u nerds and your software fights..
06:18:11sharpei use windows, for instance.
06:18:13Paul_The_NerdIt's not open source's fault that you have to use X11 if you use Linux.
06:18:27dongswhose fault is it??
06:18:32Paul_The_NerdYours for using Linux?
06:18:42Paul_The_NerdDoes microsoft provide me an alternative to DirectDraw for Windows/
06:18:53dongsno, because its awesome.
06:18:54EbErTopensource is good, because big corporations can't limit it to the functions it has
06:19:00Paul_The_Nerddongs: What if it lacks something I need?
06:19:03dongslike what?
06:19:05Galoisdirectdraw lacks something I need
06:19:08Galoisnamely, virtual desktops
06:19:15dongsdirectdraw has nothign to do with virtual desktops
06:19:25Galoisfind me a good virtual desktops implementation in windows
06:19:31Galoisby good I mean one that never drops keystrokes
06:19:37Paul_The_NerdIt's a hypothetical as I don't use directdraw, but I have a hard time imagining it covers EVERY possible case.
06:19:37Galoisi.e. zero race conditions
06:19:48dongsdunno. virtual desktops is something that I had absolutely no use for, ever.
06:20:08Paul_The_NerdSo, basically, because you have no use for the features he finds lacking, then it's not lacking them?
06:20:10moda|ASOToh please stfu
06:20:15moda|ASOTboth of you
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06:20:45moda|ASOTdoes it really matter that some guy doesnt like open source? ffs
06:20:47dongsGalois: and last i checked nvidia drivers came with some virtual desktop stuff but like I said I've never enabled it.
06:20:56Galoisdongs: it is provably not good under my definition
06:20:56dongsmoda|ASOT: ya no shit, why are they all ganging up on me
06:21:00Paul_The_NerdNobody forces him to use Open Source, yet his only objection is that "If I use open source, and I'm unwilling to try to improve the software, I'm forced to use the bad software that hasn't been improved by anyone else because they're as lazy as I am"
06:21:40Paul_The_Nerdmoda|ASOT: Considering he's sitting in the channel for a GPL licensed piece of software, and calling the actual idea of open source names, it is somewhat relevant, yes.
06:21:53dongsi dont have a problem with rockbox.
06:22:02dongsits one of the 0.001% of opensource projects that doesnt suck.
06:22:10Galoisoh come on give me a fucking break
06:22:14Galoisthe rockbox installer is atrocious
06:22:24EbErThe's just getting your goat, ignore him
06:22:35EbErThe knows good and well statements like that will get you riled up
06:23:16dongsGalois: it has an installer? coulda fooled me. i'm generally against installers that simply drop a .exe in program files and add a start menu entry.
06:23:42*Paul_The_Nerd wonders what .exe file dongs could imagine rockbox installing...
06:23:44Galoisyes, it does, although not on windows
06:23:44dongsand then add a add/remove programs entry for themselves.
06:24:13dongsbecause a .exe and a readme inside a zip would have been so much harder to do.
06:24:38saa[b_r]idermorning everyone...
06:25:01Paul_The_Nerddongs: Some people actually like installers. Some people also can't even figure out .zip files, oddly enough. Do you have a problem with trying to be user friendly as well?
06:25:22saa[b_r]ideranyone with experience using using CYGWIN?
06:25:30Galoisyes we know cygwin
06:25:38saa[b_r]idereven worse than .zip files, .rar files!
06:25:43Dekkardneedtomodify the nano.. firmware?
06:26:19Paul_The_NerdDekkard: Yes? You didn't really ask a question...
06:26:33Dekkardim reading the faq..
06:26:34sharpestatement with a question mark! :)
06:26:39saa[b_r]idergalios: nice... I'm having a little problem
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06:27:00Dekkardi dont want to get rtfm..without at lteast trying to find what i need
06:27:22whatboutbobnot sure if anyone in here atm will care ....but cvs h1x0 recording freezes when changing gain. I'm pretty sure it'll be petur's recent checkin.
06:27:23sharpei don't think we've ever actually told anyone to do that...
06:27:34saa[b_r]iderI installed it last night (a million times) and I seem to be having a problem with either fvwm2 or xterm, or both
06:28:25Dekkardan it seems that due to legal reasons you cant actually tell hwo to modify he native firmware to point to the bootloader
06:28:30Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I've suggested people read the manual in more polite ways. Though sometimes equally insulting.
06:29:35saa[b_r]idergalios: any idea how I can fix fvwm2 and xterm?
06:30:04GaloisI remember the cygwin installer quite well. It does actually suck really bad. But that's no reason to bring out "open sores" name calling. I mean, there exists really bad closed sores installers too.
06:30:11Paul_The_Nerddongs: If you don't have something constructive to add any more, at least stay out of it.
06:30:59Galoissaa[b_r]ider: if the rest of cygwin works properly, then it's easy to fix
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06:32:24Galoisdoes the rest of cygwin work? if so you can just download the fvwm2 and xterm packages and untar them within cygwin
06:32:39*woodensoul is installing the cygwin package now...
06:32:51woodensoulDoes is always take 45 mintues to finish?
06:33:01sharpegenerally. :D
06:33:43Dekkardis that the same galois wh oused to hang with lone?
06:33:50woodensoulAh, well at least everything is working as intended... so far.
06:34:00saab_ridergalios: yeah, cygwin works... I can start X... and when I start fvwm2, it partially starts (allows to resize and move the window around)
06:34:24saab_ridergalios: but fvwm returns an error...
06:34:27Galoisdoes twm work?
06:35:35saab_riderexcuse my ignorance, what's twm?
06:36:00Dekkardt window manager?
06:36:06Dekkardtiny or something?
06:36:18Galoisyou said "when I start fvwm2"
06:36:23Galoishow are you starting fvwm2?
06:36:39saab_riderby typing "fvwm2"
06:37:07Galoisokay, do everything the same way except type "twm" instead of "fvwm2" and see if it works
06:37:09saab_riderhmm.. twm works
06:37:19Galoisnow, you said xterm is broken too
06:37:25Galoiswhat's the problem there?
06:38:25saab_riderwith fvwm2, I couldn't get the menu to start xterm, but it worked now with twm :D
06:38:36Galoisso only fvwm2 is broken
06:38:54saab_riderI think so. thanks a lot!
06:38:58saab_rideris twm new?
06:39:09Presencewindowmaker 4 lyfe!
06:39:21Dekkardwmaker is nice
06:39:22Galoistwm is the oldest and simplest wm
06:39:38ze'is twm new?'
06:39:40Dekkardi prefer flux
06:39:42zeinstant classic
06:40:18saab_riderI'm glad I can humor you ze
06:40:26Galoisthe only thing to do with fvwm is make sure it's installed correctly. do something like
06:40:54Dekkardare you guys runnong all these wms under cygwin?
06:41:16Galoiswget and then untar that in the root directory
06:41:25Galois(in cygwin)
06:42:52Galoisbut you might not even need a wm anymore. Cygwin can use the native windows wm.
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06:43:26saab_riderI'll give it a shot, all I need is to run fontforge...
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06:48:24saab_rideraren't I supposed to get my user name under Xterm?
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07:02:25midkay*damn* it.
07:02:28midkaywhat a horrible typo.
07:02:42midkayi just committed something that should have said the word "Clock" but it says "Click".
07:02:47midkaycaught it right after tapping enter..
07:03:50Paul_The_NerdI think it's clear though since it's clock.tex
07:03:58midkayyeah. thankfully.
07:04:01midkaystill annoying. :)
07:05:09sharpehow could you midkay!?
07:05:16midkaysharpe, :(
07:05:23midkaysorry. :(
07:05:58Paul_The_Nerd"Critical" feature requests... woo.
07:05:58sharpeit's okay... you just have to make twenty more spelling-error-free commits to make up for it.
07:06:08midkaysharpe, argh. :((((
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07:08:09EbErTany word on the freezing ipod issue?
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07:09:30sharpeEbErT: the 4g one?
07:09:50sharpenot that i know of
07:09:59EbErTits only 4g eh, not video
07:10:15EbErThow nice
07:10:23Paul_The_NerdAnd nobody's actually identified the cause yet.
07:26:31midkayhey, Paprica?
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07:51:31saa[b_r]iderhello jungti :)
07:53:02Jungti1234long time no see! :D
07:58:16saa[b_r]ideryeah :)
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08:08:24Jungti1234how are you, saab?
08:09:33saa[b_r]idernot bad :) any new devices in korea? :)
08:10:11moda|ASOTJungti1234: is it true that in korea you can get custom built phones? like, put differant cameras and stuff in them etc?
08:10:37Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider: what device?
08:11:29Jungti1234moda|ASOT: um? camera in phone?
08:12:09Jungti1234what's mean?
08:12:12moda|ASOTcoz my korean friend said you can get custom build phones in korea
08:12:29moda|ASOTdifferant specs and stuff
08:12:32Jungti1234'custom build phones' I don't know that's mean
08:13:14Jungti1234Is it meaning that can make phone that user wants?
08:13:37Jungti1234I don't think so..
08:13:48moda|ASOTheh, i knew my friend wasnt telling the truth :p
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08:14:31Jungti1234It can assume that it's.
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08:15:44Jungti1234There may be it... On option.
08:16:00Jungti1234For example, a car
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08:52:31dpassen1pooopity poop
08:52:41dpassen1poopity poop poop
09:01:39Jungti1234help me
09:01:42Jungti1234I have question
09:02:09midkayask question -> get answer. :)
09:02:21Jungti1234What shall I do first if begin Rockbox work to new device?
09:02:28Jungti1234woooo w
09:02:40Jungti1234To take hardware picture exception
09:03:53Jungti1234Good Answer!!
09:03:55Jungti1234hahaha.. sorry
09:04:30Jungti1234'Start developing a boot loader'
09:05:00Jungti1234I'm no concept about it.
09:05:11midkaythen good luck :)
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09:06:01midkaywhat do you mean?
09:06:22Jungti1234A necessary tool
09:07:27midkayi don't understand..
09:08:44Jungti1234Tools necessary to begin Rockbox work first time
09:09:06midkaywhat about them?
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09:11:50Jungti1234Does it need special machine?
09:12:20midkaypossibly. i'm not too familiar with it. the page should cover the basics.
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09:25:14dongsJungti1234: hy
09:26:10dongsJungti1234: what are you porting rockbox to
09:26:16Jungti1234not me
09:26:25dongsthen who
09:26:27Jungti1234Some Korean..
09:26:41Jungti1234and.. I'm E10
09:27:03Jungti1234I don't know E10 hardware.
09:27:26Jungti1234It's hard open.
09:28:54dongsfucking level 70 on bubbles is driving me insane
09:29:00dongswhere is the level mark stored im just going to increment it
09:29:23midkayhow a man plays Bubbles says a lot about his character...
09:29:44dongsi dont think i asked for your opinion
09:30:07midkayi don't think i gave an *opinion*.
09:30:14StarScreamdongs: you don't have much choice if you post in irc :_\
09:31:04dongslol found
09:32:44dongsno more level 70
09:32:45dongsfuck i hated it
09:33:08midkayyou must feel really accomplished. skipping a level like that. takes a lot of skill, that does.
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09:44:49dongssaved me probably hours of fuckign around.
09:44:58midkaycongrats, must have been tough.
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10:00:20JdGordonhey all
10:01:14midkayyo JdGordon
10:01:40midkayboring, confusing fireworks crap. :)
10:01:52JdGordondone any work on it?
10:02:08midkayhardly except for what i'm doing now: rocket trails..
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10:04:37dongsfireeworks crap?
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10:11:50JdGordonso whats been decided on the release date? still indefinate freeze?
10:12:38midkayi just asked on the mailing list.
10:17:13midkaywithin the past hour or so, i've attempted: (1) squiggly/erratic fireworks, which failed because of my flawed particle-direction system... (2) re-exploding fireworks, which failed because.. i'm tired... (3) rocket trails, which failed because it takes forever to init and move that many particles at once.
10:18:00JdGordonrockbox got a mentino on slashdot.. incase any1 missed it
10:18:55midkayi saw it, seems like everyone else missed it.
10:21:52*amiconn never checks slashdot if nobody points me there...
10:22:19*midkay has it on his google homepage for a quick daily glance
10:24:57*amiconn doesn't get what's so special about slashdot
10:25:14JdGordonjust a news sorce...
10:25:16*midkay either, but it's literally "right there"
10:25:18JdGordonmost of it is crap..
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10:42:52juxtaphey, has there ever been mention of a plugin that can slow down a song while retaining proper pitch?
10:43:03juxtaplike that one winamp plugin...
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10:43:10juxtap(useful for musicians i guess)
10:43:37peturnot that I know of
10:44:12juxtapyou think it's a worthy request?
10:44:40peturdon't know how heavy this would be for the cpu
10:44:47peturyou can always request ;)
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10:46:12yodazhi all
10:46:30yodazcan rockbox run on an ipod without apple firmware installed ?
10:46:56whatboutbobpetur: i'm really not liking the H1x0 remote at the moment.
10:47:00midkayprobably rather simple to do, but there's no reason, is there?.. since the apple firmware only comes up when you want it to.
10:47:50peturwhatboutbob: because of the interference I guess?
10:47:51yodazmidkay: ok, I will try that
10:48:00midkayyodaz, um, try what?
10:48:05whatboutbobpetur: and gain change freezes now.
10:48:17yodazto delete apple firmware and have only rockbox
10:48:29peturis this related to my commit?
10:48:34midkayi didn't tell you how to do that, in fact i sort of said there was no reason to it..
10:49:05whatboutbobshort answer: i suspect so.
10:49:15yodazmidkay: I have one
10:49:30midkayyou have one what? *lost*
10:49:43yodazmidkay: a reason to try this
10:49:53peturwhatboutbob: yuck
10:50:04*petur wonders how this could be possible
10:50:16peturshall I revert it for now?
10:50:36midkayyodaz, may i hear it?
10:50:42*petur fires up cygwin
10:50:49yodazmidkay: in fact, I have a home dvd/divx player that can read usb key, but only if they have only one partition fat32 formatted, and I would be able to use my ipod as an usb key that could be read by my divx player
10:50:49whatboutbobi think its prolly wise 'til we can get it sorted out.
10:51:24yodazand I must erase apple firmware with the apple partition
10:51:39peturwhatboutbob: any idea when the remote should 'land' here?
10:51:47midkaybetter wait for the gurus, i'm unsure of getting the bootloader to work without the apple firmware..
10:51:58whatboutbobshould be next week.
10:52:01yodazmidkay: ok
10:52:22whatboutbobpetur: *late* next week.
10:52:45yodazmidkay: thx for your advices
10:53:12whatboutbobpetur: i think they said it'd take 10 days by air...that was a week and a bit ago.
10:53:59peturok, thanks
10:54:01midkayyodaz, no problem..
10:54:05*midkay is going to bed now
10:54:07midkaynight all
10:54:11yodazgood night
10:54:20yodazwhat are the guru's nicknames ?
10:54:22whatboutbobpetur: the freeze doesn't always happen right away. The first time it happened I got from 20dB to 13.5dB before it froze.
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10:54:40e-uoaphyshi guys
10:54:45midkayyodaz, hm, linuxstb is one of the main guys behind the iPod ports..
10:54:47e-uoaphyswhen is the sandisk version going to be out?>
10:54:54whatboutbobpetur: ...but other times it spits the dummy before it can change .5dB
10:54:55e-uoaphysi went to the website but found nothing
10:54:56yodazmidkay: ok
10:55:02JdGordonits not started yet...
10:55:09midkaye-uoaphys, haha. we haven't written one line of source for it yet..
10:55:14e-uoaphysoh :(
10:55:31e-uoaphysill install it on my sandisk
10:55:33midkayit's strictly an offer that's being worked out.. nothing's really happened yet.
10:55:35e-uoaphysif it ever happens
10:55:44midkayi would too, if i had one :)
10:55:48e-uoaphysoh so sandisk is willing to pay $
10:55:57midkayer, i don't think so..
10:56:04midkaylatest deal was several players and some docs, i think.
10:56:10e-uoaphyswell that is a stard
10:56:17e-uoaphysapple would never do that
10:56:19midkaysomething like that.
10:56:30e-uoaphyshey, tell that to nVidia
10:56:33midkaynope, cool on sandisk's part indeed
10:56:38whatboutbobpetur: *pedantic question alert*...while we're on gain...should (D) be displayed for .5dB steps?
10:57:15midkayk, i'm off.. *poof* :)
10:57:21peturgood question, have been thinking about that too
10:57:30whatboutbobpetur: I think I read analog gain is only in whole dB steps...decimation is used to get half-steps.
10:58:13whatboutbobok then. :)
10:58:36peturanalog gain steps are 2 or 3 dB (depends on mic or line-in), the rest is stuffed with 0.5 dB digital steps
10:59:25peturbtw, uda fix as been reverted in cvs for now.... its still a fair question then. :-)
10:59:32peturit is
11:00:51whatboutbobpetur: so...any ideas how I can get some more info about the remote gain freeze for ya?
11:01:18amiconnHum, the gain is always analog
11:01:40peturno, have to think about that one...must be something the button driver doesn't like
11:01:46amiconnThe difference is that there is a preamp gain, and the decimator gain, which is internal to the ADC
11:02:31whatboutbobamiconn: the preamp gain is in the larger steps?
11:02:32peturso D = decimator ;)
11:02:55peturso don't tell the user at all
11:03:06whatboutbob...and the preamp gain goes only to 24dB?
11:03:22peturiirc, yes
11:05:36whatboutbobI don't suppose if either of you know qualitatively how the decimator gain compares with post-production boosting? iirc someone way back in the day suggested they were equivalent (hence not as desirable as preamp).
11:06:08JdGordonstupid fucking gcc.... cant the bloody thing tell me im missing a ; in the .h insterad of stupid fucking "syntax error before {" in the . fucking c !!!!!!
11:06:27whatboutbob...and if that is the case then it would be nice to know when its being applied, so it can be avoided.
11:07:04whatboutbobsorry to write through your rant JdG.
11:07:18Jungti1234Do you like slang, JdGordon?
11:07:30JdGordonsome slang.. why?
11:07:30*whatboutbob gives gcc an empathic kicking.
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11:08:24moda|ASOTi think i found a 15gb ipod i can get :)
11:08:26Jungti1234no particular reason.
11:08:48whatboutbobJungti1234: aussies tend to use 'bloody' freely...if that's why you're asking. :-)
11:09:32moda|ASOTbloody eh
11:09:55JdGordonoohh... thats what u were talking about??
11:11:39moda|ASOTbloody hell its cold :p
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11:12:33*whatboutbob choofs off to the servo to pick up a pack o' durries then off to the bottlo for a slab of VB.
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11:13:11moda|ASOTwhatboutbob: dont live in australia tho?
11:13:23moda|ASOTDo they import VB to other places?
11:13:48whatboutbobmoda|ASOT: I do. Just about to settle in to watch the Lions kick the crap outta the Pies.
11:13:56moda|ASOTahh. true e
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11:14:02JdGordonu mean export vb overseas?
11:14:10whatboutbobmoda|ASOT: They do brew VB in Scotland for all the expats.
11:14:21JdGordonvb sux tho :p
11:14:27moda|ASOTwouldnt taste the same but?
11:14:41JdGordoncrown lager ftw or cascade :D
11:14:51moda|ASOTcascade or xxxx :)
11:14:56moda|ASOTcrown is trash
11:15:07whatboutbobmoda|ASOT: actually prolly tastes a bit better. and yeah won't get an arguement outta me...Tassie beers all the way.
11:15:19whatboutbobyou a qlder moda?
11:15:39*moda|ASOT points to host name :)
11:16:03whatboutbob(they're the only ones that can stand that xxxx slurry)
11:16:22whatboutbobI used to live in Milton least the brewery smells good.
11:16:45moda|ASOTrofl, if you like the smell of hops :P
11:17:56JdGordonactually.. nothing tops tooheys pils :D
11:18:16moda|ASOThrm.... i think i found a 15gb 1.8inch toshy from a 3g ipod i can get :)
11:18:20moda|ASOThopefully not too expensive
11:18:29peturwhatboutbob: the decimator operates on the ADC result before it gets scaled down to 16bit so imho I think it's better than postprocessing
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11:18:57moda|ASOTi found out i can get a 5g 60gb ipod for just a shade over $500 :)
11:18:58whatboutbobpetur: ahh...thanks.
11:19:01moda|ASOTif my iriver is dead
11:19:11whatboutbobmoda: what have you done to it?
11:19:15amiconnpetur: I'm 99% sure the decimator gain is analog, not digital
11:19:24moda|ASOTthe hdd is dead whatboutbob
11:19:56whatboutbobmoda: sorry...i've gotta ask...are you sure?
11:20:08peturamiconn: don't make me read the UDA datasheet again :/
11:20:35whatboutbobyou're not just getting the 'check hdd connection' error msg cos of some dodgy soldering?
11:20:52peturamiconn: any ideas on why killing irq between the two gain sets could cause a freeze when using the remote?
11:20:57moda|ASOTwhatboutbob: i dunno until i get antoehr hdd to check it with
11:21:07amiconnpetur: Not at all.
11:21:22moda|ASOTand anyway, if it is the hdd, ill just flash it to the regular firmware and rma it :)
11:21:49whatboutbobmoda: ahh...well...i'm coming up in a few weeks if you don't have one by then i could bring a spare up for you to test...if you want.
11:22:00SereR0KRI would like to see rockbox rocking my ipod o.O
11:22:01peturbah, looks like I wil have about 0 time for programming today
11:22:04moda|ASOTim pretty sure ill get one soon
11:22:19*petur kicks real life wher it doesn't like it
11:22:51moda|ASOTi was just about to give up and order an ipod 60gb when i get a pm over at ocau from a guy who has a spare hdd, still waiting on a price
11:23:26whatboutbobmoda: but you might be able to confirm that its not that dodgy soldering issue by applying pressure to the..err...thing above the reset button...
11:23:28JdGordonmoda r u modafroman on ocau?
11:23:35moda|ASOTyea JdGordon
11:23:43JdGordonah righto
11:23:47moda|ASOTwhatboutbob: thing above reset button?
11:24:11moda|ASOTyou mean the mic?
11:24:13whatboutbobmoda: how did i know that was coming...can't think of the word for it...but you'd need to take the iriver apart...
11:24:38moda|ASOTyea, i have
11:24:45moda|ASOTinfact, ill do it right now
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11:28:12moda|ASOTok its open
11:28:32moda|ASOTwhat thing whatboutbob?
11:30:18amiconnpetur: 2 main reasons why I think the decimator gain is analog: (1) It has a total range of 88dB, which equals >14 bits of resolution if it were digital. (2) It offers negative settings. If it were digital, and you would get a full-swing digital output signal with a negative gain, what would the input signal be?
11:30:50*whatboutbob is just opening a picture of the iriver pcb cos he can't remember off the top of his head...
11:30:50whatboutbob'tis taking a while cos I'm shaped atm.
11:31:06JdGordonshaped already?? damn that sux
11:31:07whatboutbobmoda: if you press down on top of 'casing' (not the right word...but I'm struggling) the reset button button is built into, the connect hdd msg may disappear.
11:31:10moda|ASOTheh, i was just about to do that
11:31:26whatboutbobJdG: resets tonight. i just upgraded to a 40gig plan this month too. :(
11:31:47JdGordonah ok
11:31:48moda|ASOTheh, my 20gb seems measly compared to that :p
11:32:26whatboutbobgah...64kb is a killer after 18mbit...
11:33:51whatboutbobmoda: yup
11:34:18moda|ASOTmy 18mbits on cable owns you 18mbits on adsl :p
11:34:45JdGordon18mbit cable?? cable isnt that fast..
11:34:59moda|ASOTbigpoo cable extreme :)
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11:35:07JdGordonah k
11:35:13moda|ASOTalmost full spec docsis1.1 :)
11:35:35JdGordonim on optus cable.. the only bugger with it is piss poor upload speed
11:35:47moda|ASOTi reckon.... 256kbit is weak
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11:36:35moda|ASOTwhatboutbob: im sitting here with my h340 open trying to figure out what you meant :p
11:36:41moda|ASOTyou mean the thing that houses the reset button/
11:36:59whatboutbobmodaa: yeah
11:37:22moda|ASOTso what am i supposed to do to it?
11:38:00whatboutbobgently press down on top of it while your unit is displaying the 'check hdd connection msg'
11:38:25whatboutbobif it works the msg'll disappear.
11:38:36moda|ASOTdown from which direction
11:39:18whatboutbobif your player is lying on its back, put your finger on top of the casing and press down.
11:39:27moda|ASOTah ok
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11:40:40whatboutbobmoda: sorry mate...footy is starting. ack at quarter time.
11:40:46moda|ASOTaahh mk
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12:12:07whatboutbobmoda: any luck with my crystal clear instructions?
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12:17:04compubombanyone in here ever installed this os on an ipod ?
12:17:34pekujaprobably quite a few (not me though)
12:17:54pekujaif you have a question about it, I recommend you just ask it
12:31:42compubombi want to know if the ipod using the rockbox os will let you play files via directory vs using id3 tags
12:32:04compubombsince not all of my music is properly tagged when i copy large amounts, i'm not always sure how to find it.
12:32:07ashridahit does
12:32:23ashridahit supports building a tag db, or just using a directory view
12:32:29compubombis it possible to backup the ipod software to later replace just incase ?
12:32:51Quarrymanyes, you can do that
12:32:53ashridahyou can have both installed at the same time, and dual-boot the device, effectively
12:33:10ashridahand restoring is relatively easy (although i'm told it wipes the device)
12:33:41compubombashridah: that's neat
12:34:16compubombi have i believe it's a 30gb ipod video
12:34:29compubombi'm not sure which version
12:34:34dproashridah: well you could just replace the bootloader with the original and remove .rockbox and rockbox.ipod won't wipe anything
12:34:38compubomball i know is i dislike how it is layed out.
12:35:13ashridahdpro: true, restoring only really needs to be done in the most extreme case, don't think anyone's run into anything like that, that i've heard of
12:35:23dproashridah: but apple's "restore" tool should really be avoided I agree
12:35:35compubombashridah: i purchased a 3 yr warrantee on my ipod through best buy
12:35:41compubombif it breaks, i want to be able to return it.
12:36:01dwihnocompubomb: there is some option in itunes where you can restore the original fw.
12:36:16dwihnoat least, that's what I've heard
12:38:49compubombone of the things i've noticed about the ipod is you almost have to consistently have it pluged in otherwise it will run itself out.
12:39:18compubombdwihno: can you point me to the tool which you use to place this os on the ipod ?
12:39:26compubombor a tutorial for doing so ?
12:39:48dwihnocompubomb: Well, check itunes. There should be some tool there.
12:39:52*dwihno never did such
12:40:30compubombdwihno: i'm not talking about that
12:40:39compubombi want to put the rockbox os on my ipod
12:40:51dwihnoI'll fetch you the link from the wiki. w8 a sec.
12:41:09dwihnothere U go
12:45:12compubombwhat does the os look like ?
12:45:20compubombare there any pictures etc ?
12:45:22compubombor images ?
12:48:38JdGordonoooolllddd screenshots tho
12:48:55dwihnothe manual has up to date screens, no?
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12:55:20JdGordonwhats the battery time like on ipods?
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13:38:09JdGordonhow do i get around the warning "blaa defined but not used" in a .h file?
13:38:16JdGordonthe variable is actually used..
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13:38:34dprojdgordon: no it's not ;)
13:38:46amiconnThere shouldn't be a variable defined in a .h file
13:38:51amiconn..only declared
13:39:10dprojdgordon: as in extern int foo;
13:39:28JdGordonbah, ye, no, i forgot the const part
13:39:39JdGordonits not really a vairble...
13:40:33amiconnA C variable is always a variable, even when declared 'const'
13:40:52JdGordonye, but im not using it as a vairble.. but i need it as an array...
13:41:00JdGordona #define is no good..
13:41:01amiconn..and a .h file should never generate actual code
13:41:22dproamiconn: you think you have time at some point to help me track down what the actual problem is with pitched playback and dropouts ?
13:41:47dproamiconn: on ipods that is and I'm pretty sure it's not codec related the only thing that should go into .h files is declarations, #defines, and inline functions
13:42:13JdGordon.. ok...
13:42:20JdGordon.. meany :D
13:43:01amiconnThe actual definition of a variable should go into a .c file. The .h just declares it so that code in other source files can access that variable
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13:54:28Hansmaulwurfgod damn it
13:54:43PaulJamcan someone close bug report 5373 ? It seems to be fixed.
13:54:49Hansmaulwurfis there a fucntion where i can reset the rockbox button config back to default?
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13:55:18JdGordonwhich target?
13:55:38JdGordonmenu > manage settings > reset settings
13:55:43JdGordonor hold rec while starting
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13:58:10Hansmaulwurfhm super mario2 is a bit laggy
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14:13:49rretzbachToday I heard the first time about rockbox and was just shocked.
14:13:58rretzbachI never questioned my player's firmware!
14:14:27rretzbachI installed rockbox bootloader, but now I have to put the rockbox files somewhere, right?
14:15:00rretzbachI read two differend instruction pages, but didn't find any hint so far.
14:15:32JdGordonamiconn: is it ok for a file in the firmware folder access global_settings?
14:15:54JdGordonthey go in the .rockbox folder in the root
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14:17:32amiconnJdGordon: No. global_settings is application layer data
14:18:01rretzbachIt works!
14:18:01JdGordon:( thats what i figured... can i make an exception for logf?
14:19:40rretzbachI didn't know my screen had that much pixel!
14:20:24rretzbachI am crying, when i think about the lost time, which I spent using the old firmware :'(
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14:20:32JdGordonwhich player?
14:20:42rretzbachihp 120
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14:23:45amiconnJdGordon: (a) No, not this way (b) What are you trying to do?
14:24:24JdGordonimplementing a new log system which lets the user filter out which messages they want to see... i need a way to get the users choice...
14:24:37JdGordonim using an extern int atm, but using global settings would be easier..
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14:24:45amiconnNote that there are many firmware modules that are controlled by global settings
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14:24:54moda|ASOTwhatboutbob you around?
14:25:30amiconnNone of them access global_settings. They have functions to set internal variables which are called from the settings code
14:25:51JdGordonye ok, ill do that
14:25:56amiconnWhy do we need options for logf? logf is a development thing...
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14:26:11amiconnIt should stay a simple as possible
14:26:55JdGordonwell i rekon if its used properly then there is more change of tracing those wierd playback bugs
14:27:19amiconnYou can read the last 1000 messages or so
14:27:39amiconn...and also save them to disk (of course only if rockbox doesn't freeze before)
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14:28:19JdGordon1000 msgs of 30 chars each... but im thinking set it as default to log all msgs to disk, then if the user has a wierd playback bug they can paste the logs so u can see excatly what happenined before it went wierd
14:28:30JdGordonatm logging is only enabled on devel builds..
14:29:08E23R0how's the port to 3G iPod crackin?
14:30:28rretzbachErmm, am I able to play sudoku on my player now?!
14:30:41moda|ASOTanyone got a spare 1.8inch toshiba drive? :)
14:30:44rretzbachI am overwelmed!
14:30:57JdGordonmoda|ASOT: didnt u say u found 1?
14:30:59rretzbachThank you for developing this!
14:31:29whatboutbobmoda: y\ja?
14:31:56whatboutbobcan't type.
14:31:57moda|ASOTnope, turned out it was a working ipod
14:32:31JdGordonsome guy has a h340 for sale int he user maliing list (rockbox) for $400 :O
14:32:42JdGordonbit expensive.. but just letting u know
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14:33:56amiconnLogging directly to disk isn't desirable
14:34:02whatboutbobi've got a spare drive...just not sure i wanna let it go. :-)
14:34:15JdGordon16k buffer... logs to disk when that gets full..
14:34:18amiconnAll those disk accesses totally mess up timing
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14:34:47moda|ASOThrm... need to source a spare drive somewhere
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14:34:55amiconn..and buffering before writing doesn't help finding a freeze bug
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14:35:24JdGordon.. no.. but im more thinking wierd playback bugs... also very bored
14:35:34amiconnThere's a quite simple way to get less logf() messages, without any runtime code change
14:35:56whatboutbobmoda|ASOT: what's the hdd worth?
14:36:10JdGordoni dunno... linusN liked the idea..
14:36:10amiconnWe can enable logf per individual source file at build time once it's enabled globally
14:36:16whatboutbobmoda: i take it that test didn't work?
14:36:49moda|ASOTi dunno what its worth... id be prepared to pay $30+ or so, but i only want to use it for maybe 5 mins
14:37:33JdGordonmoda|ASOT: where r u?
14:37:36whatboutbobmoda: ahh...well...if you can wait a month i'll be in're more than welcome to borrow it then.
14:38:38moda|ASOTJdGordon: brisbane
14:38:49JdGordonok, too far then..
14:38:55moda|ASOTwhatboutbob: by that time id probably have an ipod :p if i cant source a drive
14:40:27moda|ASOTpostage wouldnt be that much of a 1.8inch drive tho
14:41:44whatboutbobi don't really trust aussiepost tho.
14:41:51moda|ASOTyea :p
14:42:39moda|ASOTi havent lost anything from them tho... but i dunno
14:43:56rretzbachHmmm. Is it possible that I cannot play any games on my ihp 120, or am I too dumb to find the menu?
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14:44:17moda|ASOTwhat kinda games?
14:44:35moda|ASOTrretzbach rockbox has a few plugin games, solitaire, jewels etc
14:44:55rretzbachWhen I use "open with" I see somethink like sudoku.
14:45:13moda|ASOTand you can also load up *.gb and *.gbc roms, and just load them like loading a normal songs
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14:45:23rretzbachnice hint!
14:45:28moda|ASOTrretzbach: go into the first menu and go browse plugins
14:45:42rretzbachYes Im there
14:45:58moda|ASOTi dunno what it is in h100 but in h300 you click the a-b button
14:45:59rretzbachIt works.
14:46:05rretzbachThank you.
14:46:08rretzbachThank you all.
14:46:12rretzbachThis is incredible.
14:46:18rretzbachNo really.
14:46:39rretzbachI mean I *never* thought about my player being able to manipulate playlists without a PC
14:46:57rretzbachOr running Doom :>
14:47:33rretzbachI am in heaven right now.
14:48:29moda|ASOTi wonder if there are any places in oz that have a supply of 1.8inch drives.... hrnm
14:50:24moda|ASOTcan anyone explain to me how rockbox on the ipod works?
14:50:32moda|ASOTis it similar to how it works on the h300?
14:50:50moda|ASOTlike, loading up the firmware etc
14:51:04Mikachuit's easier to install on ipods
14:51:05Mikachuno flashing
14:51:12moda|ASOThow does it work?
14:51:19rretzbachArent there tutorials? :>
14:51:42moda|ASOTrretzbach: im not looking to do it, i dont have an ipod *yet* im just interested
14:51:52rretzbachIs there a plugin which saves a history of what I played?
14:51:58rretzbachmoda|ASOT: Ahh okay.
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14:59:33dproamiconn: are you around still ?
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15:03:45amiconndpro: Only for a short while
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15:04:53dproamiconn: I'm just trying older versions and see if the dropouts go away (since IIRC I didn't always have the problem)
15:05:18dproamiconn: but with 2006/04/10 it's pretty much the same :(
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15:06:33amiconnI don't know what causes the dropouts. I'm not even sure whether they happen on iriver as well (but I guess they don't)
15:07:26JdGordonsee... now with the logging youd be able to track down what causes it...
15:07:27dproamiconn: all I have access to is a couple of ipods ... and changing the codec doesn't matter
15:07:31*JdGordon runs
15:08:44rretzbachIs it possible to run my old firmware while having a runnable rockbox installed?
15:08:51rretzbachSomething like f8 for windows ;)
15:09:22JdGordonhold rec while its booting and u will load iriver
15:09:23amiconndpro: Hmm. So you get dropouts when changing pitch. Is that only when actually changing it, or also when running at a changed (but constant) pitch?
15:09:27JdGordoniirc.. havnt done it in ages
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15:09:48rretzbachHehe I know. But I will meet my friends this evening and I want to show them both firmwares :>
15:09:54dproamiconn: usually it happens after running with changed pitch for a while
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15:10:28*dpro suspects some problem with the pcm buffer
15:10:28amiconnIs that when pitched up or down, or doesn't it matter?
15:10:47dproamiconn: but then again I know jack about the playback system
15:11:14dproamiconn: yes I had it also when pitching down, even at normal speed after having pitched before
15:11:30amiconnhmm :/
15:11:46*amiconn doesn't know much about the swcodec playback system either
15:12:11dproamiconn: it also only occasionally happens then gets worse but it's a bit hard to reproduce in a deterministic fashion
15:13:08dproamiconn: hehe usually it happens shortly after I think to myself "wow it works" ;)
15:13:15amiconnI didn't test pitch extensively on swcodec, and I don't have a real use for it
15:13:54amiconnOn archos it's working perfectly for hours, even though pitching up means overclocking the MAS, and we allow pitch up to 200% ...
15:14:24amiconnTotally different method, so not really comparable to swcodec
15:14:41amiconnAt 200%, I would expect mp3 to skip on ipod
15:14:55amiconn..but it should stop skipping when pitching down again
15:15:24rretzbachCan you install rockbox on ipod shuffle?
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15:25:59dproah anyone has seen this: "*PANIC* Stkov ata"
15:26:10*dpro occasionally sees this crash on ipod video ...
15:26:37Paul_The_NerdHow new is your build?
15:28:47dproI've been getting it approx. since may I'd say - this is from 17/05
15:29:23Paul_The_NerdWell, there was a bug back then that was eventually fixed.
15:30:03Paul_The_NerdSo there's no real way to know if you're having that one or a different one, unless you can reproduce it on an actual recent build.
15:31:49dpropaul: will do another checkout of today a little later and build that
15:34:25Paul_The_NerdWhat conditions did it happen under anyway?
15:35:10dpropaul: basically just browsing the filesystem and scrolling up or down ...
15:36:02Paul_The_NerdWhile music is playing, or without it?
15:36:42dproI'm not entirely sure if it makes a difference but right now no music was playing since I had just booted
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15:37:49Paul_The_NerdHmm, it may be the bug from before.
15:37:52Paul_The_NerdDon't really know, I guess.
15:39:29dprothe occasional crash annoys me less than the dropouts with the pitch anyway ;)
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15:47:50rretzbachIs it possible to change the wps on-the-fly? without copying files to the mp3 player?
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15:49:16rretzbachAhh I found it.
15:50:09dionoeacongrats to everyone who worked on the (video) ipod port
15:50:11dionoeaworks great
15:50:27dionoea1 or two glitches :) (and horrible combos)
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16:20:00rretzbachWhat should I do, if the firmware crashed?
16:21:06JdGordonwhat player?
16:21:09rretzbachihp 120
16:21:23JdGordonpress the reset button... its on the left side of the player iirc
16:22:06rretzbachIt's on the bottom, a tiny button
16:22:40rretzbachThank you. You helped me a lot already!
16:28:06JdGordongnite folks
16:28:28JdGordondamned swedes enjoying the day instead of being boring and coding....!
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16:29:03dionoeawhen building the cross compile env for the video ipod, is arm-elf the right target ?
16:29:40dionoeahum ... anyidea why GCC's compile would fail with make[2]: arm-elf-ar: Command not found
16:30:03dionoeamy path must be wrong
16:30:26dionoeacrap ... "/home/linus/arm/bin" ... i guess that i'm not named linus :)
16:31:37dionoeais anyone working on a graphical version of the menus ? (with icons)
16:32:37Mikachuthere is a crazy concept plugin with a ring of icons that spin around
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16:32:48dionoeai saw that patch in the list
16:33:03dionoeais it good ?
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16:37:06rretzbachihp 120: When I delete a file the file browser still shows the file. I have to reboot to get a refreshed view.
16:37:25dwihnoare you using dir cache?
16:38:37rretzbachSry I don't know. But I will check.
16:39:16rretzbachShould I?
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16:40:22dwihnoI was just guessing the directory cache didn't update when deleting
16:40:26Paul_The_Nerdrretzbach: How old/new is your build?
16:41:12rretzbachI downloaded today.
16:42:13Paul_The_NerdAnd this happens with every file you delete?
16:42:24rretzbachI only tried playlists.
16:43:38rretzbachIt's the same with text files.
16:44:02saab_riderI've experienced the same with my H300, but I have an older build
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16:44:15Paul_The_NerdAnd all you do is choose to delete it from the context menu?
16:44:18bluebrothertagcache doesn't recognize deleted files.
16:44:40rretzbachYes. I tried directories too. Same behaviour.
16:44:55bluebrotherthis is a known behaviour.
16:45:17rretzbachWill it be fixed or does it work as designed?
16:45:19Paul_The_Nerdrretzbach: You said you were in the file browser.
16:45:44bluebrotherI guess this will be changed in the future.
16:45:52rretzbachNice to hear. Thanks.
16:46:29dwihnobluebrother: ah, okay... is it the same about dircache? (although it is synched upon boot)
16:47:03bluebrothernope, dircache just caches the directory entries upon startup.
16:47:22bluebrotherafaik there shouldn't anything like this with dircache.
16:47:42Paul_The_Nerdrretzbach: Were you using TagCache?
16:47:57rretzbachPaul_The_Nerd: No.
16:48:02rretzbachAnd I was in the file browser.
16:48:07dionoeahum ... how do you quit the text editor without saving (ipod) ?
16:48:15Paul_The_Nerdrretzbach: Then his response doesn't apply to you at all.
16:48:51rretzbachPaul_The_Nerd: How does Tag cache affect deleting files?
16:49:28Paul_The_Nerdrretzbach: Well, when "bluebrother" said that it is a known behaviour, he was talking about deleted files and tagcache recognition, which isn't your problem
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16:51:53rretzbachSo is this an unknown behaviour?
16:51:59Paul_The_NerdI'm seeing if I can replicate it now
16:52:40rretzbachAre you a dev team member?
16:52:47Paul_The_NerdDoes it matter?
16:53:13dionoeaeven if he's not a dev (which i don't know), he's still a nerd. So he'll help :)
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16:54:22Paul_The_NerdOkay, tell me _exactly_ what you do that makes this bug happen, as I have no problem choosing "Delete" and having files vanish from the browser.
16:55:01rretzbachI boot it.
16:55:51rretzbachThe files or dirs aren't deleted at all.
16:55:56Paul_The_NerdYou were choosing "Cut"?
16:56:06rretzbachI am in the file browser.
16:56:16rretzbachI press select a little longer
16:56:20rretzbachselect delete
16:56:31rretzbachconfirm with play
16:56:45Paul_The_NerdYou confirm with Select
16:56:52Paul_The_NerdIt says "Play" but it means "The button which plays songs"
16:57:20rretzbachNow I receive a message: deleted: %file%
16:57:25rretzbachAnd it's gone.
16:57:31Paul_The_NerdSo, just the wrong button.
16:57:33Paul_The_NerdAll fixed
16:57:46Mikachuso um
16:57:51Mikachuwhy did the file disappear after he rebooted?
16:58:02rretzbachIs doesn't
16:58:13Mikachuoh okay, sorry :)
16:58:17rretzbachI must have made a mistake
16:58:25rretzbachI think it works fine now.
17:00:38rretzbachIs it possible to select multiple files or tracks in file or playlist browser?
17:01:48Paul_The_NerdNot yet.
17:01:55Paul_The_NerdIt has been suggested, but nobody's done it.
17:02:12rretzbachI think the REC key would fit for that purpose :>
17:02:24Paul_The_NerdThe REC key is better suited to go to the record screen
17:02:32Paul_The_NerdSince only devices that support recording will _have_ a record key.
17:02:43Paul_The_NerdIt'd be best to come up with a way to do it on all players.
17:02:45rretzbachThat's why it seems so "useless"
17:02:52rretzbachYes, I understand.
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17:03:32Paul_The_NerdFor example, in the context menu you could have a choice "Select Mode" (context menu is what you get when you hold down Select/NAVI) and then short clicking on files could select them instead of playing them, until you perform an action like delete, or insert. Then it goes back to normal mode.
17:05:22rretzbachI think I will take a look at the source.
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17:22:03sharpehey everyone
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17:25:06Aghasterhi sharpe
17:32:36dionoeaany dev here ? i have cvs write access and i was wondering if it was ok to commit a small update to the minesweeper plugin. (it shouldn't break anything ... only make the tiles bigger if space is available)
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17:45:58Mikachudionoea: i don't think "shouldn't break" is good enough for a feature freeze
17:46:28dionoeait will not break
17:47:12dionoeabut since i haven't been reading rockbox emails lately i don't know what the current status is :) so i guess i'll wait for the freeze to end
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17:50:05Paul_The_NerdYeah, no harm in waiting.
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18:00:23Hansmaulwurfdionoea: the freeze is extended to an unlimited ice-age
18:01:06Paul_The_NerdWell, ideally everyone with commit access should be doing everything they can to at least try to track down bugs on the tracker.
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18:08:48dionoeaHansmaulwurf: hum ... ok. ( no unstable branch available ? :) )
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18:11:27sharpehmm... i remember, i started working on a rockbox installer, for windows... i can't remember what i ever did with it...
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19:44:30AghasterHi, anybody around?
19:44:36Aghasteri got a question about the doom plugin
19:44:59XinuxNOOB NOOB NOOB
19:45:00Aghasteron the website it says we need to add the wad file in /games/doom/rockdoom.wad
19:45:10Xinuxhow can people have so many problems with rockbox
19:45:28Aghaster...just shut up and answer if you know the answer, Xinux
19:45:41Xinuxwell after that attitude
19:45:42Xinuxfck it
19:46:03AghasterXinux: To a rude attitude towards me i tend to answer with a rude attitude. know that with me
19:46:29Aghasterthe contrary is also true, if you do not mess with me i won't mess with you ;)
19:46:50Xinuxwasnt even talking to you
19:46:55AghasterWell, still about that doom plugin, it seems like the plugin doesn't find the wad file
19:47:01BHSPitMonkeydon't worry, he doesn't know anything, Aghaster
19:47:12AghasterBHSP: I figured that ouy
19:47:15sharpeAghaster: do you have the doom wad there also?
19:47:35Aghasteryeah, i copied the wad file to /games/doom/rockdoom.wad
19:47:46sharpethere should be two wads
19:47:57sharpethe doom wad, and the rockdoom.wad
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19:48:56Aghasterok, where can i download doom.wad?
19:49:03sharpeyou can get the shareware version
19:49:12sharpetis on the wiki page, i believe.
19:49:20Aghasteris it the same as in ipodlinux?
19:49:27sharpethe wad?
19:49:35Aghasterthe version of doom
19:49:44BHSPitMonkeyyes, it is.
19:50:36Aghasterdo i have to rename it to doom.wad (doom1.wad)?
19:51:36dionoeajust putting it as is in the directory works fine her
19:51:51sharpethe different filenames correspond to different versions
19:51:51Aghasternvm, works
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19:55:17Aghasterjust a curiosity, what are wad files?
19:55:46sharpeeh, packages of different files, basically.
19:55:56sharpelike a zip, or rar, etc.
19:56:48Aghasterah, i see
19:56:54Aghasterthere are doom levels?
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20:01:04*Aghaster just ordered a 6600GT and dances
20:01:32sharpehmm... think a season dvd set would be a good gift?
20:01:35AghasterI'll happily remove that ATI RADEON 9200SE from my computer.
20:01:46Aghastera season dvd set makes a good gift, yes
20:01:52Aghasterwhich tv show?
20:02:03sharpeavatar :)
20:03:10sharpeoh... damn... last dvd isn't out yet. and it ships the day i'll be gone, to actually go give the gift.
20:03:19Aghasternot so good.
20:04:51sharpehmm... what should i do...
20:07:51Aghasterdo you know where i can get the pacman roms for pacbox?
20:12:04Aghasterdo i need all files listed in here?
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20:12:22Aghasteri don't have pacman.5e and pacman.5f
20:13:29sharpeyes, ye need them all
20:14:22Aghasterk, can do you know where the find the two i don't have?
20:14:36sharpelegally, i can't. :)
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20:36:20AghasterFor the jewels game, the graphics look like directly taken from the msn jewels version
20:36:28Aghasterare the pictures licensed?
20:37:23BHSPitMonkeyyeah, because PopCap invented jewels themselves, and their appearances.
20:37:52Aghasterwho's PopCap?&
20:38:54Aghasteri see
20:41:00Aghasterwell, it started an intellectual property dispute as i can see
20:43:05Aghaster wow, is that included in cvs?
20:43:46sharpei don't believe so.
20:44:02Aghasteri'll try that on my build, then
20:45:05Aghasterits quite recent
20:45:20Aghasterits dated from today o.O
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20:45:39Aghasteroh, its for video XD
20:45:47Aghasternot 4th gen :/
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20:54:50sharpean idea, i have.
20:55:07Aghasternice, there is a new theme for 4th gen color ipod
20:55:59sharpehowever it would be very time consuming, and space consuming to do so...
20:56:46Aghasterwhat's your idea?
20:58:03sharpecustom built rockbox builds, where a user can choose which patches to apply, and for what target... for the people who aren't able/don't want to make their own builds...
20:58:18sharpeas like, a web app for instance.
20:59:34Aghasterwould be nice, but hard to maintain?
21:00:20sharpenew choices/selections of patches would have to be built on the fly, and the subsequent requests for those builds could just use the prebuilt one, unless a new cvs version is available.
21:00:49Xinuxim gonna reformat my pod
21:01:05sharpeokay, have fun with that.
21:01:14Xinuxf u =(
21:01:24sharpethat's not very nice...
21:01:30Xinuxi know =(
21:01:49Aghasterhow come?
21:02:17Aghaster"how can people have so many problems with rockbox" ;) you said it.
21:03:08Xinuxnay, its ipods software
21:03:09Xinuxnot rockbox
21:03:23Xinuxive never had a prob with the rockbox
21:04:03dionoeais it theoretically possible to use the ipod's touch wheel (or whatever it's called) to emulate buttons ?
21:04:23pekujaI asked this before, but does anyone know if Rockbox is able to charge the battery from USB on an iriver?
21:04:26dionoeais someone working on it ?
21:04:29pekuja(iriver h3xx)
21:06:39dionoeaXinux: ?
21:06:44sharpedionoea: what do you mean by emulating buttons?
21:07:17dionoeawell touching some part of the wheel would be like pressing a button
21:07:41dionoeabecause 5 buttons is kind of no enough in my opinion
21:08:13sharpeit may be possible, however...
21:08:25dionoeaif the driver lets you know where the wheel is touched (and not only the way it was moved) then it'd be easy to add i guess
21:08:42sharpeas far as i know, it only reports the change in position. so probably...
21:09:13dionoeawell i'll try to hack the ipod button drivers then :)
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21:13:49linuxstbdionoea: There's already a patch on the patch tracker for that. It's called something like "absolute wheel position"
21:14:01dionoeaoh ... neat :)
21:14:14sharpewell, at least i wasn't wrong this time.
21:14:38linuxstbsharpe: If you never confirm or deny anything, you'll be OK...
21:14:53linuxstb(works for me)
21:15:05sharpehence all the, "probably" and "i may be wrong"s i use
21:15:39dionoeais that patch going to make it into CVS one day ? or is it going to be some "experimental" feature only ?
21:15:56dionoea(it'd be nice to make the rockboy plugin usable on iPod :P )
21:16:00linuxstbI'm sure it will - or something very similar.
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21:19:03sharpelinuxstb: what do you think of the whole, custom build idea? heheh...
21:19:04dionoealinuxstb: btw, any idea when the " extended freezing period" will end ?
21:19:15sharpeof course, it'd have to be hosted by someone...
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21:19:40dionoeacustom build ? like people could configure their build on a webpage and get the zip ?
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21:20:00sharpei just had the idea a few minutes ago.
21:20:01dionoeathat would kill the server
21:20:15sharpehence the whole, 'hosted by someone else' thing.
21:21:16dionoeawouldn't it be easier to make some kind of big zip with everything and then have a configure script that lets the user chose what he wants on his player ?
21:21:42sharpethat'd take up more space...
21:22:01sharpeunless you're talking about a, lets say, portable build enviornment.
21:22:02dionoea... and it wouldn't DoS the server :)
21:23:24dionoeaor maybe you could do something like: build everything on the server (like the daily builds) and then just let the user chose what he gets to download in a zip (which would require far less ressources)
21:24:14sharpemy idea was, build things on the server only when they're requested, and if a build is requested more than once, use the same prebuilt zip.
21:24:59sharpeso it wouldn't have to build every single combination of patches
21:26:23dionoeaanother problem would be that almost none of the patches would apply correctly :)
21:26:40sharpeyes, they'd have to be tailored to actually work to build...
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21:27:50dionoeaand some of the patches might conflict (ok, let's stop being pessimistic)
21:28:12sharpeheh, could also have them categorized
21:28:19Aghasteris there a way to unpatch a patch?
21:28:29dionoeaor somthing like that
21:28:55dionoeaerr ... -R
21:29:44sharpecould also have, if a file is modified by two or more patches, ask if you wish to continue, as there may be conflicts...
21:30:32yodazlinuxstb: hi
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21:31:17yodazlinuxstb: I talk with midkay yesterday, and he told me to ask you if it is possible to use rockbox on an ipod mini without any apple firmware installed ?
21:31:48sharpenot that you're addressing me, i don't see why not...
21:32:46midkaysharpe, he wants details on *how*.
21:33:05sharpebut he said 'if it is possible'
21:34:49midkaywell, sure, anything is possible. :)
21:35:14sharpegah, 1280x1024 looks so huge on this monitor
21:35:33midkayas opposed to?
21:35:46*midkay nods
21:36:22sharpeit really depends on the monitor though... the lcd downstairs, looks fine as 1280x1024
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21:41:14dionoeaanother noob question: can rockbox use the "ticker" (the thing that does sound when you use the wheel with the apple firmware)
21:41:54BHSPitMonkeyyou mean the "clicker"
21:42:02BHSPitMonkey(and I dunno if it can.)
21:42:03sharpeisn't there a patch for that?
21:42:05dionoeai guess so :)
21:42:10BHSPitMonkeyactually, I think there is a patch
21:42:13BHSPitMonkeyas sharpe said
21:42:25dionoeahum, /me really has to take a look at the patches list
21:42:32BHSPitMonkeyso you gotta be cool with patching/compiling
21:43:12dionoeawell that isn't too complicated once you have the tool chain (the configure script is quite nice)
21:43:35Aghasteryup, is nice
21:44:34Aghastermy only patch in my build is my esperanto translation lol
21:44:41Aghasterwell, not even a patch
21:44:44Aghasteran addon
21:44:51dionoeaesperanto translation ... hehe
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21:45:08AghasterI should finish the 50% left...
21:45:19Aghasterits a big task
21:45:51sharpemy patches would be
21:46:11sharpe... c64 emulator... space invaders emulator...
21:46:27sharpeuncompressed zip handler...
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21:47:07dionoeaexternal keyboard support ? :)
21:47:28calibrettoso I haven't installed rockbox on my 4g well does this stuff really run
21:47:29sharpewas i supposed to do that?
21:47:37calibrettois it buggy? crashes a lot
21:47:46sharpecalibretto: nay.
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21:48:16dionoeacalibretto: i installed it this morning and it works fine (except that the gameboy emulator can't be used since the ipod lack keys)
21:48:54calibrettodionea: was it easy? can you switch between OSs?
21:49:06sharpeyes, you can
21:49:39dionoeayeah ... the only problem i had is that my linux wouldn't recognise the usb ipod once i changed the firmware
21:49:44dionoeabut it works fine from windows
21:49:46calibrettothat kind of cool (thanks for answering my Qs and not yelling RTFM)
21:50:04calibrettodion: that's good to hear since that's why I use
21:50:12sharpewe only strongly suggest reading of the wiki, in polite ways :)
21:50:43calibrettosharpe: ah, well I come from the ol'days of #FreeBSD where that was standard protocol
21:51:02calibrettoyeah I'm pretty stoked about running other sound formats
21:51:11dionoeathe only weird thing is that most of the menus were coded for the archos recorder so they look small (that's an understatement) on the ipod's screen
21:51:29sharpeyou can change the font, you know...
21:51:33calibrettodionea: did it take you a long time? The menus can be change with the free skins
21:52:01dionoeasharpe: i'd have to install other fonts ... that's far too complicated :D
21:52:12dionoeacalibretto: about 10 minutes i guess
21:52:14sharpedon't they come with the build anymore?
21:52:24dionoeasharpe: not in the dailies
21:52:36sharpewhat about the cvs builds?
21:52:42dionoeabut i'll have to install my own build (which should include all the fonts)
21:53:03dionoeaand have a playable minesweeper
21:53:35oboThere is a font zip file at the bottom of the daily builds page
21:54:13sharpehmm, what do you know...
21:54:20calibrettothey have daily builds?
21:54:31sharpecalibretto: aye
21:54:34calibrettothat's some fast dev
21:54:41sharpeand cvs builds.
21:55:15sharpecvs builds are build after every cvs commit, and daily builds are just build daily at... 11 o'clock, or sometime...
21:55:46dionoeayou should do nightly builds ... when server load is lower :)
21:56:12sharpewell, it's a nightly build for the server, it really depends on your timezone.
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22:00:26Aghasteraren't programmers creatures that live at night anyway? ;)
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22:07:54dionoeahehe :) i doubt that they commit at 4am though :p
22:08:08sharpenot everyone lives in the same timezone :)
22:08:45dionoeatrue ... i'm too used to some projects which only have european devs (at least most of the active devs are european)
22:09:31sharpei wonder how useful the custom builds would be though, and which way to implement them...
22:13:59dionoeawhen using make install or make zip commands, what does the "No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!" message mean ?
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22:15:43Aghasterdionoea: use make fullzip, not make zip
22:15:50dionoeathat's what i use :)
22:15:58dionoea22:13 dionoea@cellerier ~/rockbox/rockbox/builds/ipod% make fullzip
22:15:58dionoeaNo wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!
22:16:13dionoeait still doesn't explain the meaning of that message :)
22:16:35rotatordionoea: it means you don't have the wps module checked out
22:16:42rotatordo "cvs co wps"
22:17:41dionoeahum ... right (i wonder why it didn't update with cvs up -dP ...)
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22:18:42sharpelets see... what to do... not dealing with feature requests/bugs...
22:18:44rotatorit can't update a module you don't have checked out yet ;)
22:20:04dionoeawell i though that the whole rockbox directory was my cvs checkout (but it's a bit old so i might be wrong)
22:21:08rotatordid you orignally check out "rockbox" or "rockbox-devel"? I don't think the wps module is included in just "rockbox"
22:21:35dionoeawell i don't remember :)
22:21:49sharpei believe it is, as it's what i've used so far...
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22:22:15dionoeai'm missing the bootloader and songdbj modules too
22:22:21rotatordionoea: :) is your root rockbox source directory named "rockbox" or "rockbox-devel"?
22:22:22dionoeaare they worthwhile ?
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22:22:45dionoearotator: it's named rockbox ... but that doesn't really mean anything since i could have move the folder :)
22:24:22rotatordionoea: ah, ok. songdbj should be deprecated now that we have tagcache, and bootloader is only necessary if you want to build a bootloader for yourself.
22:24:50dionoeaok, thanks
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22:57:29BioVorEwhat audio formats dose rockbox support.. only mp3? can it do flac/ogg/mp4 yet?
22:57:37dionoeait can
22:57:55BioVorEsupports flac/ogg/mp4?
22:58:17Xinuxcan rockbox so my homework ?
22:58:22BioVorEMight have to load it onto my IAudio X5 and give it a shot
22:58:39sharpeXinux: well, that'd depend on your homework. :D
22:58:54Xinuxgeometry, w/ algebra
22:59:06sharpethere is a calculator, actually...
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23:03:55dionoearotator: how/where is that wps module used in rockbox ?
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23:05:02Rixxon the 5g, how do i make the bar at the top displaying the battery life, etc, show up? i disabled it somehow <_<
23:06:29dionoeadisplay->status-/scrollbar->status bar
23:08:03dionoeaRixx: ^
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23:11:17dionoeahum, i get "Skip ipodVOL.wps due to size restraints" when the Makefile is trying to do its wps magic ... any idea why ?
23:12:53peturit's normal
23:13:23dionoeaso i have to move them myself if i want to use them ? or they're just too big to be used ? (that would be weird)
23:13:52peturit's skipped because it is of no use for the target you're making
23:13:59peturprobably too big
23:14:10dionoeaipod video sdl simulator ?
23:14:45dionoeaisn't that the biggest target in terms of screen size and ram ?
23:15:02petursorry I don't know all the screensizes
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23:16:22sharpeipod video is 320x240...
23:17:03sharpeand the wpses are skipped because they're too small to fit the video's screen...
23:18:03peturoh right, Cassandra changed that...
23:18:23sharpeah, she did that?
23:20:03dionoeawell all of those wps are smaller than 320x240 (according to the file names)
23:20:10dionoeathat's kind of weird
23:20:42sharpethey're not properly fit on the video's screeen.
23:21:09dionoeaoh, so it selects only those which *exactly* match the size ?
23:21:11sharpeas they're intended for the targets with the respective screen sizes...
23:22:16dionoeaok :) i only get the "boxes" theme then ...
23:22:36sharpei use my own wps... :D
23:22:52sharpethat i can't decide on what background i should keep when i make it.
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23:25:20sharpealthought i can't decide on what to make next
23:25:37dionoeaI never was any good at designing skins
23:25:54sharpei'm just decent at graphics...
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23:47:12dionoeahas anyone here tested the piezo patch ?
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23:49:10sharpenot recently, to my knowledge.
23:49:13BioVorErockbox is kinda cool.. could use some improvment.. But Nothing criticaly wrong.. I like it.. Might get bord one day an spruce up the graphics on the iaudio X5 version..
23:51:08sharpewhat can be improved on, if you don't mind me asking?
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