| 00:00:01 | yodaz | Mikachu: hmm I must have two partition already ? |
| 00:00:07 | BioVorE | sbrick89: ah.. kvirc dose that highlighting thing too |
| 00:00:16 | Mikachu | yodaz: maybe you should just read the installation instructions? |
| 00:00:50 | yodaz | Mikachu: I have read the installation instructions |
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| 00:01:43 | sbrick89 | welp, i'm outty |
| 00:01:44 | sbrick89 | thx again |
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| 00:02:34 | yodaz | Mikachu: but in fact the problem is that I have a dvd/divx home player that can only read usb key with one fat32 partition |
| 00:02:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I think people are just too used to software where the new version is kept under wraps until there's a Release Candidate, unless you actually get it from CVS and compile yourself. |
| 00:03:12 | Mikachu | yodaz: it might work and it might not, the other partition is "hidden" |
| 00:03:22 | yodaz | Mikachu: ok |
| 00:04:20 | yodaz | but I have tried and my home dvd/divx player doesn't recognize the ipod :-\ |
| 00:05:26 | yodaz | perhaps I should buy a most "smart" home divx player :) |
| 00:05:31 | dionoea | last question before i go to sleep: is video decoding support already being worked on on the iPod ? or maybe volunteers wanted ? |
| 00:06:00 | yodaz | anyway rockbox on ipode just rocks because I can play my ogg tune |
| 00:06:09 | yodaz | s/ipode/ipod |
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| 00:06:58 | bluebrother | damn, I'm kinda sarcastic today :D |
| 00:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Nobody seems to be working on it. |
| 00:10:57 | dionoea | well i'll have a look when once i buy the iPod :D (understanding how to interact with the video decoding hardware might be fun ... if specs are available :) ) |
| 00:11:38 | Bagder | no such things available |
| 00:12:19 | dionoea | crap :) i guess that the only alternative is blackmailing one of the chip's manufacturers |
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| 00:14:05 | dionoea | last question (even if this isn't the best chan to ask for an objective answer): how does ipod linux compare to rockbox in terms of features/quality/... ? |
| 00:15:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Different design philosophies mean you can't really objectively compare them. |
| 00:15:24 | aghaster | last time i tried ipodlinux, it was very buggy. but that was months ago |
| 00:15:28 | yodaz | dionoea: It depends on how you intend to use your player |
| 00:16:00 | pekuja | does Rockbox do USB charging on an iriver? |
| 00:16:14 | yodaz | dionoea: If you wanna use your ipod as a pda, ipodlinux is a little better |
| 00:16:32 | dionoea | yodaz: using a shell with 6 buttons might be a bit difficult :) |
| 00:16:34 | yodaz | but If you just want a music player rockbox is perfect |
| 00:17:13 | yodaz | dionoea: :) |
| 00:17:59 | dionoea | but since they have all those keyboard hacks listed on the wiki... who knows |
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| 00:21:24 | yodaz | dionoea: I don't think that using an ipod for other things like playing music or videos is a good idea |
| 00:21:59 | mocker | dionoea: I installed rockbox yesterday on my ipod nano and am in love. :) |
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| 00:25:08 | mocker | I just need to figure out the best way to manage my files now. ;) |
| 00:25:09 | pekuja | the Rockbox Info shows me a battery state of 88% 7h 53m on my H320, how accurate is that? |
| 00:26:03 | yodaz | ++ |
| 00:26:09 | dionoea | mocker: hehe :) |
| 00:26:23 | dionoea | i heard about some new media database stuff in rockbox. |
| 00:26:32 | dionoea | does that work well ? |
| 00:27:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: TagCache works alright. Not perfect yet, and has some notable flaws (for example, songs don't get removed from the database, so you have to delete it and tell it to rebuild) |
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| 00:34:03 | dionoea | hum, navigating the simulator with a laptop's keyboard isn't really easy |
| 00:34:46 | mocker | dionoea: I haven't even tried. |
| 00:35:03 | mocker | dionoea: One of the reason's I installed rockbox was to get away from a "media database" |
| 00:35:23 | dionoea | rha! i can't draw new cards in solitaire :) |
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| 00:37:02 | Andy__ | hum.. how do i access the "committers ml" about the sandisk e200 stuff? ( i have cvs commit access.. :) ) |
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| 00:42:52 | YouCeyE | hello.. how can i make my h10 display the cover while playing a song? |
| 00:43:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | YouCeyE: I don't believe the H10 has cover art. |
| 00:43:20 | Bagder | Rockbox doesn't run on h10 |
| 00:43:54 | YouCeyE | Paul_The_Nerd, so it just displays jpegs in photo mode? |
| 00:45:29 | mocker | Anyone know if http://rockboxvideo.redbreva.co.uk |
| 00:45:32 | YouCeyE | Bagder, are there any future plans for developing rockbox on h10? |
| 00:45:35 | mocker | will work on the nano? |
| 00:46:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | YouCeyE: Anyone who wants to is free to start a new port. |
| 00:46:02 | Bagder | YouCeyE: if someone with an h10 makes that work then sure |
| 00:47:45 | YouCeyE | :) |
| 00:48:00 | YouCeyE | i heard that it has the same chip as ipod? |
| 00:48:05 | YouCeyE | the 20 gb one |
| 00:48:28 | Bagder | YouCeyE: see here => http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2437.0 |
| 00:48:42 | YouCeyE | i am interested in getting involved but have limited exp in embedded firmware development |
| 00:48:52 | YouCeyE | any nice howtos.. with small examples? |
| 00:49:18 | YouCeyE | i am on debian linux.. can u suggest some good ide to work on |
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| 00:49:25 | bluebrother | mocker: video works only on archos devices. And only the rockbox-specific rvf |
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| 01:00:46 | YouCeyE | what is this feature called? dap showing cover while playing mp3.. cover art? |
| 01:01:01 | midkay | album art.. cover art.. |
| 01:01:15 | YouCeyE | ipod supports it? |
| 01:01:23 | midkay | there's a patch that calls it 'album art'. |
| 01:01:27 | YouCeyE | and iriver doesnt? |
| 01:01:31 | midkay | not in Rockbox, only as a patch. |
| 01:01:34 | Bagder | sleep |
| 01:01:36 | YouCeyE | ic |
| 01:02:15 | midkay | Bagder, um, nite? :) |
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| 01:18:35 | pekuja | hm... there should really be a prioritation for the music playback |
| 01:19:03 | pekuja | I mean it's annoying if you're playing music and playing around with the plugins and suddenly the music stops because the plugin is hogging all the resources |
| 01:19:25 | midkay | then plugins run really slow.. |
| 01:19:36 | midkay | music playback + plugins = simply bad, for now. |
| 01:19:48 | midkay | nothing is really optimized or fully taken advantage of. |
| 01:19:51 | pekuja | yeah |
| 01:20:03 | midkay | in its current state the goal is simply to get everything working, optimization comes later. |
| 01:20:04 | pekuja | well, I think it's better for the plugin to run slow than the music to stop |
| 01:20:11 | pekuja | but yeah I agree |
| 01:20:39 | pekuja | I can just shut the plugin down if it hogs all the resources |
| 01:23:07 | * | midkay shrugs |
| 01:23:16 | midkay | it's not that it's really a bad idea, just nobody's done it.. |
| 01:23:26 | midkay | either way, it needs to be really 'fixed', so nobody has really bothered.. |
| 01:23:35 | midkay | it's just a small, rather bad workaround for the larger problem. |
| 01:23:35 | Mikachu | making a scheduler is probably not a trivial task |
| 01:24:00 | midkay | mikamika! |
| 01:24:16 | Mikachu | heh |
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| 01:36:56 | kkurbjun | what does rb->iso_decode do, also, what's it's return value |
| 01:37:11 | kkurbjun | or what does it return that is |
| 01:39:24 | Mikachu | i would guess it converts the 'native' encoding to utf8 |
| 01:41:16 | kkurbjun | ahh, thanks |
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| 02:41:20 | agentorange711 | is anyone in here? |
| 02:41:38 | midkay | yes. |
| 02:43:33 | agentorange711 | do you know much about getting rockbox onto an ipod? |
| 02:44:59 | Paul_the_Nerd | What problem are you having? |
| 02:45:54 | agentorange711 | if i decide that i don't like rockbox could i reinstall the original ipod firmware? |
| 02:46:34 | Paul_the_Nerd | Easily. |
| 02:46:49 | Paul_the_Nerd | They also exist alongside, so when Rockbox is on it, you can also boot into the Apple firmware if you feel you want to. |
| 02:47:33 | agentorange711 | i haven't actually gottne rockbox on yet, im doing that as we speak, how long does it normally take? |
| 02:47:53 | Paul_the_Nerd | Depends on how confused you get by the instructions. |
| 02:48:28 | agentorange711 | im not actually reading ahead, but they are pretty straightforeward |
| 02:48:29 | Paul_the_Nerd | If I had all the files downloaded, I could probably do it in under a minute. |
| 02:48:55 | Paul_the_Nerd | But that being said, I've done several installations, and so on, so it's almost habit now. |
| 02:49:13 | agentorange711 | aha |
| 02:49:31 | agentorange711 | i just unzipped the files into the main drive folder |
| 02:50:08 | Paul_the_Nerd | And you've done all the ipodpatcher (or dd if you're in linux/unix/OSX) and ipod_fw steps? |
| 02:50:11 | agentorange711 | it seems as if that all i have to do |
| 02:50:21 | agentorange711 | what are those |
| 02:50:28 | Paul_the_Nerd | Alright, where are you getting instructions from? |
| 02:50:58 | agentorange711 | i found a pdf file on the website |
| 02:51:01 | Paul_the_Nerd | You should be following these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 02:51:09 | midkay | Paul_the_Nerd, check your nick capitalization! :( |
| 02:51:11 | agentorange711 | thank you |
| 02:51:20 | midkay | xchat has chosen a new color for the new case, and i miss the old green. |
| 02:51:25 | Paul_the_Nerd | The Manual tells you to install the bootloader, but I don't believe it tells you where. |
| 02:51:26 | midkay | now you're red. |
| 02:51:27 | midkay | :) |
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| 02:51:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That better? |
| 02:51:32 | midkay | merci. :DDDD |
| 02:51:34 | midkay | ah. yes. |
| 02:51:36 | midkay | you're actually ltblue. |
| 02:52:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I get used to looking for people in certain colors, but every now and then I do something and my client reassigns colors, and suddenly I get confused by who's saying what. |
| 02:52:42 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:52:55 | midkay | colors are a nice subliminal-ish ..... thing. |
| 02:52:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
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| 02:53:45 | midkay | installed "nicenicks" a few days ago.. supposed to give each nick its own absolutely unique color (since xchat by default simply randomly assigns like 10 basic colors).. |
| 02:53:51 | midkay | but it changed everything.. so i uninstalled it. :) |
| 02:53:59 | Mikachu | nickcolour.pl is good if you use irssi |
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| 02:54:16 | calibretto | hi |
| 02:54:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to me someone could come up with simply generating a color based on the nickname (with maybe a case sensitive switch). |
| 02:54:39 | Mikachu | yes, that's what it does |
| 02:54:47 | calibretto | does anyone know if the Bauer stereophonic-to-binaural DSP plug could be ported to ROckbox? |
| 02:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | calibretto: From reading about it, is it similar to our "crossfeed" feature? |
| 02:56:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not to be confused with crossfade. Seriously, one of those needs a new name. |
| 02:56:14 | calibretto | hehe, I understand your confusion |
| 02:57:00 | calibretto | well, binaural is a way of recording with a dummy head with two microphones inserted at where the ears would be |
| 02:57:00 | calibretto | http://www.tmn.ru/~bor |
| 02:57:12 | calibretto | crossfeed attempts to create a better stereo image |
| 02:57:29 | Mikachu | and stereo to binaural attemps to simulate having done that? |
| 02:57:30 | calibretto | how different and how alike they are? I can't tell youe xactly |
| 02:57:36 | agentorange711 | im stuck on the command prompt part |
| 02:57:42 | agentorange711 | can anyone help me on ther |
| 02:57:42 | calibretto | Mikachu: yes |
| 02:57:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | agentorange711: What problem are you having with it? |
| 02:58:17 | calibretto | I haven't installed Rockbox yet...I just learned about it from /. |
| 02:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | calibretto: Either way, if the DSP can be expressed as fixed point C code, I don't see why it couldn't be ported. |
| 02:58:42 | Mikachu | it has to be relatively fast too... |
| 02:58:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, it makes a claim for speed. |
| 02:58:53 | agentorange711 | every time i type in cd \rockbox it gives me some sort of messege like this system cannot find this path |
| 02:59:26 | calibretto | http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bs2b/bs2b-2.0.0b2-w32bin.zip |
| 02:59:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | agentorange711: Is there a C:\Rockbox folder? |
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| 03:00:08 | agentorange711 | i really feel like an idiot now |
| 03:00:18 | calibretto | brb |
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| 03:16:14 | agentorange711 | i put the bootloader on and i extracted the files to the root folder, then i held the play button for 5 seconds to turn the ipod off, when i turned it back on, it was still running the ipod firmware |
| 03:16:19 | agentorange711 | what did i do wrong? |
| 03:17:37 | agentorange711 | is anyone in here? |
| 03:18:14 | PaulJam | I think you need to reset the ipod, but i don't know the button combination |
| 03:18:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | The play button doesn't turn it off in the Apple firmware |
| 03:18:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It just makes it sleep |
| 03:18:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Menu+Select instead |
| 03:19:01 | agentorange711 | for how long? |
| 03:19:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Until it reboots? |
| 03:20:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should be just a few seconds, but if your finger wiggles on the scrollwheel it can cause it not to work, or to take a bit longer. It seems to interrupt it if it picks up a scroll, sometimes. |
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| 03:20:53 | agentorange711 | there we go |
| 03:20:57 | agentorange711 | thanks |
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| 03:42:21 | agentorange711 | i just got rockbox on my ipod, now it crashed on me after working for about 5 minutes when i rebooted the ipod, the ipod gave me an error message and loaded the ipod firmware up, does anyone know whats going on? |
| 03:43:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it'd probably also be helpful to know what the error message was. |
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| 03:45:17 | agentorange711 | sorry, it just flashes on the screen really quickly, i think it said something like error -5 reloading original firmware or something like that |
| 03:45:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the number actually tells us more about what's going on, so see if you can at least spot what error number it is. |
| 03:46:51 | agentorange711 | it says rock box error: -5 |
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| 03:48:25 | agentorange711 | does that help at all |
| 03:49:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I don't know which error message -5 is. Need to figure out what file to look it up in |
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| 03:55:02 | agentorange711 | i just reinstalled it and it worked just fine, is there a way to navigate to where my itunes puts the music? |
| 03:55:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | You wouldn't be able to tell what the songs are named anyway, iTunes gives them random names like M4FL.m4a |
| 03:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want to continue using iTunes, I recommend using TagCache to index your music http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
| 03:56:17 | agentorange711 | thanks, i am really liking this rock box thing |
| 03:59:32 | Ave | I wonder what I'm doing wrong, but tagcache plain refuses to update properly even if I force it to |
| 03:59:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean by "Update properly"? |
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| 04:00:21 | Ave | I transfew new music, force tag cache update, reboot, and it doesnt show up |
| 04:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if you delete the entire tagcache, and start from scratch does it? |
| 04:00:58 | Ave | maybe I should start from empty .rockbox and make fresh zip |
| 04:01:28 | Ave | hm I havent tried that,as per removing tc files |
| 04:01:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | What format is the music in? |
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| 04:03:52 | Ave | vorbis mostly |
| 04:04:13 | Ave | some are mp3s without any tags |
| 04:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the mp3s without tags of course won't show up except in the untagged section. |
| 04:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe there is one. |
| 04:05:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | After the "Force TagCache Update" does it to "Committing TagCache" on the next boot? |
| 04:06:12 | Ave | yeah |
| 04:07:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the files that are missing are definitely tagged with proper vorbis comments? |
| 04:08:53 | Ave | yep |
| 04:09:09 | Ave | but even if they werent, shouldnt they show in the untagged |
| 04:09:29 | Ave | I'll try remove the files and update |
| 04:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd think so. |
| 04:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | How many total songs do you have on your player? |
| 04:09:52 | Ave | around 200 |
| 04:10:07 | Ave | 2G ipod nano |
| 04:10:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it's definitely not the too many issue. |
| 04:10:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never had any problem with it picking up new files. |
| 04:11:34 | Ave | if I save my settings and start fresh, there nothing I'll lose, right? |
| 04:11:44 | Ave | I even packaged up my own wps.. |
| 04:12:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 04:14:24 | Ave | ok now I have to test it |
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| 04:18:56 | moda|ASOT | this is so annoying :( |
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| 04:24:51 | preglow | eehw |
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| 04:27:55 | preglow | heght |
| 04:29:09 | moda|ASOT | hrm... maybe i can hack off half an old cf card to get it to fit or something |
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| 05:17:26 | moda` | anyone know anyone who has a dead ipod or anything like that? |
| 05:18:27 | Presence | I have a dead bottle of pepsi. |
| 05:19:22 | moda` | :( not helping |
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| 05:22:30 | sharpe | i've a dead battery. |
| 05:29:27 | moda` | argh |
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| 05:30:12 | sharpe | in what way is your ipod dead? |
| 05:30:24 | moda|ASOT | sharpe: my irivers hdd is fried |
| 05:30:34 | sharpe | ah. |
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| 05:30:55 | moda|ASOT | and so i need to get another hdd so i can put the firmware on it, flash it and then put all the original stuff back in to send it off to get fixed at the iriver place |
| 05:31:05 | sharpe | i see... |
| 05:31:09 | sharpe | why not buy a new hdd? :) |
| 05:31:24 | moda|ASOT | because im a cheapass and i dont want to spend huge amounts of monies |
| 05:31:37 | sharpe | i believe that's somewhat impiled.. |
| 05:31:40 | sharpe | implied. |
| 05:31:46 | moda|ASOT | heh |
| 05:32:36 | ze | celebrate, for i recieved my working replacement karma today! |
| 05:33:01 | sharpe | woohoo? |
| 05:33:22 | ze | pre-loaded with about 2000 tracks of mostly worthless junk and many low-quality rips some even with cd-scratch noise! |
| 05:33:40 | ze | but yes, woohoo. |
| 05:33:47 | ze | may i venture even perhaps |
| 05:33:49 | ze | woohoo! |
| 05:33:50 | sharpe | alright then. woohoo. |
| 05:34:27 | ze | it also means that i've got a little bit of spare parts, maybe |
| 05:34:58 | moda|ASOT | g0t 1.8inch toshiba drive? *hopes* |
| 05:35:24 | ze | and/or, if circumstances ever make it seem appropriate, the flash rom chip containing the unencrypted firmware that i may be able to remove from the mainboard |
| 05:35:36 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 05:35:45 | ze | those circumstances being access to some way of reading the contents of said flash rom chip |
| 05:36:22 | dongs | lol whats this shit on shitdot about sandisk paying rockbox people to develop stuff |
| 05:36:23 | ze | moda|ASOT: its a hitatchi... the toshiba's are a different shape, aren't they? |
| 05:36:33 | moda|ASOT | dunno |
| 05:37:07 | ze | afaik hitatchi's are the only '1.8"' that're almost square and fit into the karma |
| 05:37:34 | ze | everything else is longer and skinnier and fits into like whatever ipod takes the 1.8" |
| 05:38:47 | moda|ASOT | how much would a dead iriver h340 and all the accessories be? |
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| 05:39:03 | dongs | $10? |
| 05:39:08 | moda|ASOT | rofl |
| 05:39:14 | ze | may depend on whats dead about it |
| 05:39:15 | dongs | thats if youre lucky |
| 05:39:35 | sharpe | how *dead* do you want the iriver to be? :) |
| 05:39:35 | moda|ASOT | hdd is dead, replace it and it should work.... gah |
| 05:39:48 | ze | well then its not really dead |
| 05:39:52 | ze | it just needs a new hd |
| 05:40:10 | ze | if it takes the non-hitatchi 1.8" drives, those're all over the place for pretty reasonable |
| 05:40:18 | ze | well |
| 05:40:24 | ze | reasonable as far as them little drives go |
| 05:40:37 | ze | which is ridiculous as far as regular storage media goes |
| 05:40:38 | ze | :p |
| 05:40:40 | sharpe | score! i remembered the cvs update command. |
| 05:41:07 | moda|ASOT | :| |
| 05:41:43 | dongs | so how did you kill it? |
| 05:42:01 | sharpe | my guess would be, with a knife. |
| 05:42:15 | ze | i'd say it was defenestrated |
| 05:42:18 | sharpe | or other assorted violent weapon. |
| 05:42:22 | dongs | any battery life improvements on ipods? |
| 05:42:25 | moda|ASOT | no idea... it was working thursday morning, went to use it thursday arvo, and it wouldnt boot into rockbox, and it displayed 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware |
| 05:42:26 | sharpe | nope. |
| 05:42:29 | dongs | (not that i care anywaY) |
| 05:42:43 | moda|ASOT | and then i took it apart, reseated it and now rockbox just goes error ata 11 |
| 05:42:49 | ze | hmm |
| 05:42:54 | moda|ASOT | and iriver says check hdd/ connection on boot :| |
| 05:42:56 | ze | moda|ASOT: does the HD make bad noises? |
| 05:43:13 | moda|ASOT | nope |
| 05:43:15 | ze | maybe you didn't get stuff put together quite as well as they need to be |
| 05:43:19 | moda|ASOT | it starts up like normal |
| 05:43:28 | moda|ASOT | ze: nah, its exactly how it was |
| 05:43:40 | ze | doesn't sound like it |
| 05:43:59 | ze | exactly how it was would've been not booting into rockbox and displaying 0000 songs/folders in iriver firmware :p |
| 05:44:21 | moda|ASOT | yea, i think something may have happened, like the connecter got knocked or something..... |
| 05:44:32 | moda|ASOT | it wasnt detecting in windows even before i took it out |
| 05:44:36 | ze | get an adapter and hook the drive to your PC and check it out |
| 05:44:42 | moda|ASOT | and wouldnt format in the iriver firmware with both either |
| 05:44:49 | moda|ASOT | hrm... gotta source one locally :| |
| 05:44:54 | ze | hmm |
| 05:44:56 | ze | good luck |
| 05:45:02 | ze | heh |
| 05:45:12 | ze | i mean it's totally possible |
| 05:45:16 | ze | depending on where you're at |
| 05:45:26 | moda|ASOT | australia :p |
| 05:45:34 | ze | well i mean like |
| 05:45:45 | ze | just as far as availability of such things in your local area |
| 05:46:25 | ze | you're pretty likely to be able to fund one in a major city, but some backwoods where the only computer store's run buy a guy who's never heard of linux.... would be another matter :p |
| 05:46:41 | sharpe | that'd be funny. |
| 05:47:05 | ze | although you can't really discount that lonely little computer store either |
| 05:47:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Seeing as the feature freeze hasn't been lifted, and the iPod isn't a release target, how were you expecting the iPod battery improvements to get into Rockbox? |
| 05:47:32 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: shrug |
| 05:47:35 | ze | if they don't have one, maybe they could at least order one |
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| 05:47:53 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: isnt thats what youve been working all last month? |
| 05:47:57 | dongs | i figured it would be done by now |
| 05:48:41 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic. |
| 05:48:53 | dongs | orly? |
| 05:49:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also the fact that there's no release announcement anywhere, most notably the front page where the 2.5 one still resides |
| 05:49:37 | dongs | how is that relevant |
| 05:49:55 | midkay | um, if there was a release that's been like >1yr in-the-making, it'd PROBABLY be posted about somewhere.. |
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| 05:50:15 | dongs | yes but 'improving ipod battery life' is hardly release-worthy news |
| 05:50:19 | midkay | my bad, not even a year.. |
| 05:50:35 | midkay | he was talking about the freeze being lifted, meaning 3.0 would have had to have been released. |
| 05:50:42 | midkay | meaning there would be an announcement. |
| 05:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: No iPod-specific work can go into CVS, and so most devs aren't doing any. That's how it's entirely relevant. Until the freeze is lifted, don't expect iPod-only improvements. |
| 05:53:16 | woodensoul | Can you guys help me out with setting up the development environment? |
| 05:53:26 | sharpe | si senior. |
| 05:53:52 | woodensoul | I'm following the instructions on the site... |
| 05:54:04 | woodensoul | installing cygwin... |
| 05:54:11 | sharpe | mmhmm. |
| 05:55:06 | woodensoul | when selecting which packages to install, some other ones are automatically selected. Should I leave those or de-select them? |
| 05:55:12 | sharpe | leave them |
| 05:55:46 | sharpe | i mean, they're not really pertaining to things used for rockbox, but it's a bitch to remove all of them. :) |
| 05:56:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | And some of them may turn out to be useful later anyway |
| 05:56:14 | sharpe | indeed |
| 05:56:39 | woodensoul | OK. Will do. |
| 05:57:24 | moda|ASOT | gah bah sah ahhhh!?!?!?!??! angry moda |
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| 06:00:17 | RoC_MM | how is upcoming 3.0 release coming? |
| 06:00:44 | Galois | it's looking like windows vista... |
| 06:00:56 | moda|ASOT | ouch |
| 06:01:22 | RoC_MM | At least you didn't say Duke Nukem Forever! |
| 06:01:37 | Galois | well I do work at microsoft you know |
| 06:01:46 | Galois | not for long, though |
| 06:05:34 | dongs | cygwin installer is fucking idiotic |
| 06:05:39 | dongs | much like the rest of opensores shitware |
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| 06:05:53 | dongs | i cant belileve someone got paid to write that shit. |
| 06:06:04 | Galois | does this belong here? |
| 06:06:20 | dongs | duno, just pointing out the obvious |
| 06:06:32 | midkay | it doesn't, no.. |
| 06:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Out of curiosity why are you so rabidly open source, but actually interested in Rockbox? |
| 06:06:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | anti-open source |
| 06:06:53 | Galois | cause, if we want to discuss shit installers, I can have a field day here |
| 06:07:03 | bagawk | dongs: without F/OSS, most of (if not all) the internet would be gone now |
| 06:07:10 | dongs | no, i disagree. |
| 06:07:16 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:07:16 | dongs | there would be no blogs and other trash. |
| 06:07:21 | dongs | that i can live without. |
| 06:07:30 | Galois | dongs: there would be no freenode, so why the fuck are you here |
| 06:08:10 | dongs | Galois: oh please dont start on how freenode cannot be replaced. |
| 06:08:23 | Galois | hint for the mentally impaired (not to name names): freenode |
| 06:08:28 | dongs | its the project's choice to host their stuff on freenode. nothign is stopping them from picking one of 12343215325 other irc networks. |
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| 06:08:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Again, why the hell are you interested in Rockbox at all if you're so anti open source? |
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| 06:09:11 | Galois | also, all major irc networks use open source irc server software, a fact that you conveniently ignore |
| 06:09:33 | dongs | now you're not even making sense. |
| 06:09:37 | dongs | i started by commenting that cygwin installer is shit. |
| 06:09:47 | Galois | believe me I can talk about installers if you want |
| 06:09:50 | Galois | but that was roundly voted down |
| 06:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you frequently make negative comments about open source, and refer to it by derogatory names. |
| 06:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | So clearly you dislike the idea of open source software in generla |
| 06:10:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | general |
| 06:10:18 | dongs | i dislike the idea of poor quality opensource software |
| 06:10:21 | dongs | which is 99.999% of it out there. |
| 06:11:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | So? |
| 06:11:13 | sharpe | it's so great every once in a while there's a heated discussion. |
| 06:11:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, there's a lot of crappy open source software. |
| 06:11:27 | dongs | great. |
| 06:11:29 | dongs | thats all. |
| 06:11:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also a lot of crappy retail software |
| 06:11:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | The difference is, you have to PAY for retail software, just to find out it sucks. |
| 06:11:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Meanwhile, you actually insult the idea of open source, rather than individual software |
| 06:11:55 | woodensoul | Why is this douchebag bothering us? |
| 06:11:56 | dongs | so you vote for its crappiness by not buying it. |
| 06:12:05 | midkay | above all, dongs, i'm wondering why you still come here. honestly. you always moan and bitch about stuff that doesn't need it and/or is completely your *opinion*, then get disagreed with by everyone, and start an argument as if *your* opinion is the right one... why? |
| 06:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | So don't go with this whole "I just dislike poor quality open source software" |
| 06:12:10 | Ribs | and ditto with the crappy OS software |
| 06:12:15 | dongs | but with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative. |
| 06:12:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because if it were just the software, you wouldn't be sitting around intentionally using terms like "open sores" and so on. |
| 06:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: If there's no alternative, then technically it's the best program in its class |
| 06:12:52 | Galois | the idea that closed source is never forced upon a person is laughable |
| 06:12:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not open source's fault that no retail equivalent is a better. |
| 06:13:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | choice |
| 06:13:55 | * | woodensoul wonders why dongs doesn't go suck a dong and leave us alone. |
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| 06:14:03 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:14:22 | midkay | at least he's quieted down, that's a start. |
| 06:14:23 | dongs | ^ typical mature opensource reply |
| 06:14:32 | midkay | opensource reply. haha. |
| 06:14:40 | sharpe | that doesn't even make any sense... |
| 06:14:45 | dongs | it does |
| 06:14:52 | midkay | sharpe, isn't it clear? my reply was open-source.. |
| 06:14:56 | sharpe | in your twisted sense of reality, sure. |
| 06:15:05 | sharpe | midkay, does that mean i can get the source?! :) |
| 06:15:06 | dongs | pick a random opensource project. find some problem with it(that part isnt hard). join their irc channel. complain about the said problem. gather typical opensource replies. |
| 06:15:20 | midkay | sharpe, yes! haha.c. google. |
| 06:15:31 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:15:34 | sharpe | 119000 results! |
| 06:15:35 | dongs | they would be : "its free, shut hte fuck up", "cvs.loserproject.org, feel free to fix it", etc. |
| 06:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: You've still not answered most questions I've asked you |
| 06:15:47 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:16:06 | midkay | dongs, if nothing else, i should thank you for a couple chuckles.. but it's getting a bit old now. |
| 06:16:06 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: like what |
| 06:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: "but with opensource, you're FORCED sometimes to use SHIT because there's no other alternative." |
| 06:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: You said it, not I. |
| 06:16:27 | dongs | yes. |
| 06:16:38 | dongs | like say |
| 06:16:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I asked that if Open Source is the only way to solve a problem, how does that make it _worse_ than proprietary? |
| 06:16:48 | dongs | graphics subsystem on linux. |
| 06:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least a solution exists. |
| 06:16:52 | dongs | X11 or whatever the fuck. |
| 06:16:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Stop |
| 06:16:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Linux is open source |
| 06:17:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't HAVE to use linux. |
| 06:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Go use windows |
| 06:17:08 | dongs | its garbage. its also opensource. and there is no other alternative that is better (there are plenty that suck even more) |
| 06:17:18 | dongs | so thats a good example. |
| 06:17:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not an example |
| 06:17:27 | dongs | yes it is. |
| 06:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is nobody twisting your arm to make you use Linux |
| 06:17:36 | dongs | certainly |
| 06:17:39 | dongs | but if you ARE using it |
| 06:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 06:17:43 | sharpe | wouldn't that be funny if there really were? :D |
| 06:17:43 | dongs | and you want a graphical environment |
| 06:17:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's not a situation you're force into |
| 06:17:54 | dongs | you have only one choice, which happens to be very poor. |
| 06:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem can be avoided entirely by not using linux |
| 06:18:11 | EbErT | oh u nerds and your software fights.. |
| 06:18:11 | sharpe | i use windows, for instance. |
| 06:18:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not open source's fault that you have to use X11 if you use Linux. |
| 06:18:23 | dongs | OH? |
| 06:18:27 | dongs | whose fault is it?? |
| 06:18:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yours for using Linux? |
| 06:18:37 | dongs | ... |
| 06:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does microsoft provide me an alternative to DirectDraw for Windows/ |
| 06:18:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 06:18:53 | dongs | no, because its awesome. |
| 06:18:54 | EbErT | opensource is good, because big corporations can't limit it to the functions it has |
| 06:19:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: What if it lacks something I need? |
| 06:19:03 | dongs | like what? |
| 06:19:05 | Galois | directdraw lacks something I need |
| 06:19:08 | Galois | namely, virtual desktops |
| 06:19:15 | dongs | directdraw has nothign to do with virtual desktops |
| 06:19:25 | Galois | find me a good virtual desktops implementation in windows |
| 06:19:31 | Galois | by good I mean one that never drops keystrokes |
| 06:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a hypothetical as I don't use directdraw, but I have a hard time imagining it covers EVERY possible case. |
| 06:19:37 | Galois | i.e. zero race conditions |
| 06:19:48 | dongs | dunno. virtual desktops is something that I had absolutely no use for, ever. |
| 06:20:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, basically, because you have no use for the features he finds lacking, then it's not lacking them? |
| 06:20:10 | moda|ASOT | oh please stfu |
| 06:20:15 | moda|ASOT | both of you |
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| 06:20:45 | moda|ASOT | does it really matter that some guy doesnt like open source? ffs |
| 06:20:47 | dongs | Galois: and last i checked nvidia drivers came with some virtual desktop stuff but like I said I've never enabled it. |
| 06:20:56 | Galois | dongs: it is provably not good under my definition |
| 06:20:56 | dongs | moda|ASOT: ya no shit, why are they all ganging up on me |
| 06:21:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody forces him to use Open Source, yet his only objection is that "If I use open source, and I'm unwilling to try to improve the software, I'm forced to use the bad software that hasn't been improved by anyone else because they're as lazy as I am" |
| 06:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|ASOT: Considering he's sitting in the channel for a GPL licensed piece of software, and calling the actual idea of open source names, it is somewhat relevant, yes. |
| 06:21:53 | dongs | i dont have a problem with rockbox. |
| 06:22:02 | dongs | its one of the 0.001% of opensource projects that doesnt suck. |
| 06:22:10 | Galois | oh come on give me a fucking break |
| 06:22:14 | Galois | the rockbox installer is atrocious |
| 06:22:24 | EbErT | he's just getting your goat, ignore him |
| 06:22:35 | EbErT | he knows good and well statements like that will get you riled up |
| 06:23:16 | dongs | Galois: it has an installer? coulda fooled me. i'm generally against installers that simply drop a .exe in program files and add a start menu entry. |
| 06:23:42 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what .exe file dongs could imagine rockbox installing... |
| 06:23:44 | Galois | yes, it does, although not on windows |
| 06:23:44 | dongs | and then add a add/remove programs entry for themselves. |
| 06:24:13 | dongs | because a .exe and a readme inside a zip would have been so much harder to do. |
| 06:24:38 | saa[b_r]ider | morning everyone... |
| 06:25:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Some people actually like installers. Some people also can't even figure out .zip files, oddly enough. Do you have a problem with trying to be user friendly as well? |
| 06:25:20 | Dekkard | hmm |
| 06:25:22 | saa[b_r]ider | anyone with experience using using CYGWIN? |
| 06:25:30 | Galois | yes we know cygwin |
| 06:25:38 | saa[b_r]ider | even worse than .zip files, .rar files! |
| 06:25:43 | Dekkard | needtomodify the nano.. firmware? |
| 06:26:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dekkard: Yes? You didn't really ask a question... |
| 06:26:33 | Dekkard | im reading the faq.. |
| 06:26:34 | sharpe | statement with a question mark! :) |
| 06:26:39 | saa[b_r]ider | galios: nice... I'm having a little problem |
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| 06:27:00 | Dekkard | i dont want to get rtfm..without at lteast trying to find what i need |
| 06:27:22 | whatboutbob | not sure if anyone in here atm will care ....but cvs h1x0 recording freezes when changing gain. I'm pretty sure it'll be petur's recent checkin. |
| 06:27:23 | sharpe | i don't think we've ever actually told anyone to do that... |
| 06:27:34 | saa[b_r]ider | I installed it last night (a million times) and I seem to be having a problem with either fvwm2 or xterm, or both |
| 06:28:25 | Dekkard | an it seems that due to legal reasons you cant actually tell hwo to modify he native firmware to point to the bootloader |
| 06:28:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I've suggested people read the manual in more polite ways. Though sometimes equally insulting. |
| 06:28:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dekkard: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 06:28:58 | sharpe | true. |
| 06:29:35 | saa[b_r]ider | galios: any idea how I can fix fvwm2 and xterm? |
| 06:29:48 | dongs | "fix"? |
| 06:30:04 | Galois | I remember the cygwin installer quite well. It does actually suck really bad. But that's no reason to bring out "open sores" name calling. I mean, there exists really bad closed sores installers too. |
| 06:30:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: If you don't have something constructive to add any more, at least stay out of it. |
| 06:30:59 | Galois | saa[b_r]ider: if the rest of cygwin works properly, then it's easy to fix |
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| 06:31:48 | saab_rider | d/c |
| 06:32:24 | Galois | does the rest of cygwin work? if so you can just download the fvwm2 and xterm packages and untar them within cygwin |
| 06:32:39 | * | woodensoul is installing the cygwin package now... |
| 06:32:51 | woodensoul | Does is always take 45 mintues to finish? |
| 06:33:01 | sharpe | generally. :D |
| 06:33:23 | Presence | yup. |
| 06:33:43 | Dekkard | is that the same galois wh oused to hang with lone? |
| 06:33:50 | woodensoul | Ah, well at least everything is working as intended... so far. |
| 06:34:00 | saab_rider | galios: yeah, cygwin works... I can start X... and when I start fvwm2, it partially starts (allows to resize and move the window around) |
| 06:34:24 | saab_rider | galios: but fvwm returns an error... |
| 06:34:27 | Galois | does twm work? |
| 06:35:35 | saab_rider | excuse my ignorance, what's twm? |
| 06:36:00 | Dekkard | t window manager? |
| 06:36:06 | Dekkard | tiny or something? |
| 06:36:18 | Galois | you said "when I start fvwm2" |
| 06:36:23 | Galois | how are you starting fvwm2? |
| 06:36:39 | saab_rider | by typing "fvwm2" |
| 06:37:07 | Galois | okay, do everything the same way except type "twm" instead of "fvwm2" and see if it works |
| 06:37:09 | saab_rider | hmm.. twm works |
| 06:37:19 | Galois | now, you said xterm is broken too |
| 06:37:25 | Galois | what's the problem there? |
| 06:38:25 | saab_rider | with fvwm2, I couldn't get the menu to start xterm, but it worked now with twm :D |
| 06:38:36 | Galois | so only fvwm2 is broken |
| 06:38:54 | saab_rider | I think so. thanks a lot! |
| 06:38:58 | saab_rider | is twm new? |
| 06:39:09 | Presence | windowmaker 4 lyfe! |
| 06:39:15 | ze | hahahaha |
| 06:39:21 | Dekkard | wmaker is nice |
| 06:39:22 | Galois | twm is the oldest and simplest wm |
| 06:39:38 | ze | 'is twm new?' |
| 06:39:40 | Dekkard | i prefer flux |
| 06:39:42 | ze | instant classic |
| 06:40:18 | saab_rider | I'm glad I can humor you ze |
| 06:40:26 | Galois | the only thing to do with fvwm is make sure it's installed correctly. do something like |
| 06:40:54 | Dekkard | are you guys runnong all these wms under cygwin? |
| 06:41:16 | Galois | wget http://mirror.calvin.edu/cygwin/release/X11/fvwm/fvwm-2.4.7-3.tar.bz2 and then untar that in the root directory |
| 06:41:25 | Galois | (in cygwin) |
| 06:42:52 | Galois | but you might not even need a wm anymore. Cygwin can use the native windows wm. |
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| 06:43:26 | saab_rider | I'll give it a shot, all I need is to run fontforge... |
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| 06:45:59 | cStyle | hello |
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| 06:48:24 | saab_rider | aren't I supposed to get my user name under Xterm? |
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| 06:49:09 | moda|ASOT | I LOST ALL MY FREAKING SOUND OMFG |
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| 07:02:25 | midkay | *damn* it. |
| 07:02:28 | midkay | what a horrible typo. |
| 07:02:42 | midkay | i just committed something that should have said the word "Clock" but it says "Click". |
| 07:02:47 | midkay | caught it right after tapping enter.. |
| 07:03:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's clear though since it's clock.tex |
| 07:03:58 | midkay | yeah. thankfully. |
| 07:04:01 | midkay | still annoying. :) |
| 07:05:09 | sharpe | how could you midkay!? |
| 07:05:16 | midkay | sharpe, :( |
| 07:05:23 | midkay | sorry. :( |
| 07:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Critical" feature requests... woo. |
| 07:05:58 | sharpe | it's okay... you just have to make twenty more spelling-error-free commits to make up for it. |
| 07:06:08 | midkay | sharpe, argh. :(((( |
| 07:06:14 | midkay | haha. |
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| 07:08:09 | EbErT | any word on the freezing ipod issue? |
| 07:09:22 | | Quit moda|ASOT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 07:09:30 | sharpe | EbErT: the 4g one? |
| 07:09:44 | EbErT | yes |
| 07:09:50 | sharpe | not that i know of |
| 07:09:59 | EbErT | its only 4g eh, not video |
| 07:10:15 | EbErT | how nice |
| 07:10:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And nobody's actually identified the cause yet. |
| 07:26:31 | midkay | hey, Paprica? |
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| 07:45:56 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 07:51:31 | saa[b_r]ider | hello jungti :) |
| 07:52:50 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 07:53:02 | Jungti1234 | long time no see! :D |
| 07:58:16 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah :) |
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| 08:08:24 | Jungti1234 | how are you, saab? |
| 08:09:33 | saa[b_r]ider | not bad :) any new devices in korea? :) |
| 08:10:11 | moda|ASOT | Jungti1234: is it true that in korea you can get custom built phones? like, put differant cameras and stuff in them etc? |
| 08:10:37 | Jungti1234 | saa[b_r]ider: what device? |
| 08:11:29 | Jungti1234 | moda|ASOT: um? camera in phone? |
| 08:11:59 | moda|ASOT | huh? |
| 08:12:09 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 08:12:12 | moda|ASOT | coz my korean friend said you can get custom build phones in korea |
| 08:12:29 | moda|ASOT | differant specs and stuff |
| 08:12:32 | Jungti1234 | 'custom build phones' I don't know that's mean |
| 08:13:14 | Jungti1234 | Is it meaning that can make phone that user wants? |
| 08:13:18 | moda|ASOT | yea |
| 08:13:24 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
| 08:13:37 | Jungti1234 | I don't think so.. |
| 08:13:48 | moda|ASOT | heh, i knew my friend wasnt telling the truth :p |
| 08:14:05 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 08:14:16 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 08:14:31 | Jungti1234 | It can assume that it's. |
| 08:14:47 | Jungti1234 | Option.. |
| 08:15:01 | | Quit zivan56 () |
| 08:15:44 | Jungti1234 | There may be it... On option. |
| 08:15:44 | moda|ASOT | ahh |
| 08:16:00 | Jungti1234 | For example, a car |
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| 08:52:27 | dpassen1 | poop |
| 08:52:31 | dpassen1 | pooopity poop |
| 08:52:33 | dpassen1 | poooooooooooooooooooop |
| 08:52:36 | dpassen1 | POOP |
| 08:52:41 | dpassen1 | poopity poop poop |
| 08:53:11 | midkay | hah. |
| 09:00 |
| 09:01:33 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 09:01:39 | Jungti1234 | help me |
| 09:01:42 | Jungti1234 | I have question |
| 09:02:09 | midkay | ask question -> get answer. :) |
| 09:02:10 | midkay | :) |
| 09:02:14 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 09:02:21 | Jungti1234 | What shall I do first if begin Rockbox work to new device? |
| 09:02:28 | Jungti1234 | woooo w |
| 09:02:40 | Jungti1234 | To take hardware picture exception |
| 09:03:17 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 09:03:53 | Jungti1234 | Good Answer!! |
| 09:03:55 | Jungti1234 | hahaha.. sorry |
| 09:04:14 | midkay | :) |
| 09:04:24 | Jungti1234 | ooou |
| 09:04:25 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 09:04:30 | Jungti1234 | 'Start developing a boot loader' |
| 09:05:00 | Jungti1234 | I'm no concept about it. |
| 09:05:11 | midkay | then good luck :) |
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| 09:05:37 | Jungti1234 | ... |
| 09:06:01 | midkay | what do you mean? |
| 09:06:22 | Jungti1234 | A necessary tool |
| 09:07:27 | midkay | i don't understand.. |
| 09:08:29 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 09:08:44 | Jungti1234 | Tools necessary to begin Rockbox work first time |
| 09:09:06 | midkay | what about them? |
| 09:10:24 | | Quit crwl ("allright now!") |
| 09:11:31 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 09:11:50 | Jungti1234 | Does it need special machine? |
| 09:12:20 | midkay | possibly. i'm not too familiar with it. the page should cover the basics. |
| 09:14:04 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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| 09:24:59 | dongs | hmm |
| 09:25:14 | dongs | Jungti1234: hy |
| 09:25:21 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 09:26:10 | dongs | Jungti1234: what are you porting rockbox to |
| 09:26:16 | Jungti1234 | not me |
| 09:26:22 | dongs | o'rly |
| 09:26:25 | dongs | then who |
| 09:26:27 | Jungti1234 | Some Korean.. |
| 09:26:30 | Jungti1234 | D20 |
| 09:26:41 | Jungti1234 | and.. I'm E10 |
| 09:26:48 | Jungti1234 | but.. |
| 09:27:03 | Jungti1234 | I don't know E10 hardware. |
| 09:27:26 | Jungti1234 | It's hard open. |
| 09:27:50 | dongs | :( |
| 09:28:54 | dongs | fucking level 70 on bubbles is driving me insane |
| 09:29:00 | dongs | where is the level mark stored im just going to increment it |
| 09:29:23 | midkay | how a man plays Bubbles says a lot about his character... |
| 09:29:44 | dongs | i dont think i asked for your opinion |
| 09:30:07 | midkay | i don't think i gave an *opinion*. |
| 09:30:14 | StarScream | dongs: you don't have much choice if you post in irc :_\ |
| 09:31:04 | dongs | lol found |
| 09:31:10 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 09:32:42 | dongs | ya! |
| 09:32:44 | dongs | no more level 70 |
| 09:32:45 | dongs | fuck i hated it |
| 09:33:08 | midkay | you must feel really accomplished. skipping a level like that. takes a lot of skill, that does. |
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| 09:44:44 | dongs | definitely |
| 09:44:49 | dongs | saved me probably hours of fuckign around. |
| 09:44:58 | midkay | congrats, must have been tough. |
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| 10:00:20 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 10:01:14 | midkay | yo JdGordon |
| 10:01:20 | JdGordon | wassusp? |
| 10:01:40 | midkay | boring, confusing fireworks crap. :) |
| 10:01:52 | JdGordon | done any work on it? |
| 10:02:08 | midkay | hardly except for what i'm doing now: rocket trails.. |
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| 10:04:37 | dongs | fireeworks crap? |
| 10:04:53 | midkay | nothing. |
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| 10:11:50 | JdGordon | so whats been decided on the release date? still indefinate freeze? |
| 10:12:30 | midkay | apparently.. |
| 10:12:38 | midkay | i just asked on the mailing list. |
| 10:15:57 | midkay | sigh.. |
| 10:15:59 | midkay | so.. |
| 10:17:13 | midkay | within the past hour or so, i've attempted: (1) squiggly/erratic fireworks, which failed because of my flawed particle-direction system... (2) re-exploding fireworks, which failed because.. i'm tired... (3) rocket trails, which failed because it takes forever to init and move that many particles at once. |
| 10:17:40 | JdGordon | aaawww... |
| 10:18:00 | JdGordon | rockbox got a mentino on slashdot.. incase any1 missed it |
| 10:18:55 | midkay | i saw it, seems like everyone else missed it. |
| 10:21:52 | * | amiconn never checks slashdot if nobody points me there... |
| 10:22:19 | * | midkay has it on his google homepage for a quick daily glance |
| 10:24:57 | * | amiconn doesn't get what's so special about slashdot |
| 10:25:14 | JdGordon | just a news sorce... |
| 10:25:16 | * | midkay either, but it's literally "right there" |
| 10:25:18 | JdGordon | most of it is crap.. |
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| 10:42:52 | juxtap | hey, has there ever been mention of a plugin that can slow down a song while retaining proper pitch? |
| 10:43:03 | juxtap | like that one winamp plugin... |
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| 10:43:10 | juxtap | (useful for musicians i guess) |
| 10:43:37 | petur | not that I know of |
| 10:44:12 | juxtap | you think it's a worthy request? |
| 10:44:40 | petur | don't know how heavy this would be for the cpu |
| 10:44:47 | petur | you can always request ;) |
| 10:45:23 | juxtap | cool |
| 10:45:24 | juxtap | :p |
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| 10:46:12 | yodaz | hi all |
| 10:46:30 | yodaz | can rockbox run on an ipod without apple firmware installed ? |
| 10:46:56 | whatboutbob | petur: i'm really not liking the H1x0 remote at the moment. |
| 10:47:00 | midkay | probably rather simple to do, but there's no reason, is there?.. since the apple firmware only comes up when you want it to. |
| 10:47:50 | petur | whatboutbob: because of the interference I guess? |
| 10:47:51 | yodaz | midkay: ok, I will try that |
| 10:48:00 | midkay | yodaz, um, try what? |
| 10:48:05 | whatboutbob | petur: and gain change freezes now. |
| 10:48:13 | petur | eh? |
| 10:48:17 | yodaz | to delete apple firmware and have only rockbox |
| 10:48:29 | petur | is this related to my commit? |
| 10:48:34 | midkay | i didn't tell you how to do that, in fact i sort of said there was no reason to it.. |
| 10:48:37 | whatboutbob | petur: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4613.0 |
| 10:49:05 | whatboutbob | short answer: i suspect so. |
| 10:49:15 | yodaz | midkay: I have one |
| 10:49:30 | midkay | you have one what? *lost* |
| 10:49:43 | yodaz | midkay: a reason to try this |
| 10:49:53 | petur | whatboutbob: yuck |
| 10:50:04 | * | petur wonders how this could be possible |
| 10:50:04 | whatboutbob | mm-hmm. |
| 10:50:16 | petur | shall I revert it for now? |
| 10:50:24 | whatboutbob | yeah. |
| 10:50:36 | midkay | yodaz, may i hear it? |
| 10:50:42 | * | petur fires up cygwin |
| 10:50:49 | yodaz | midkay: in fact, I have a home dvd/divx player that can read usb key, but only if they have only one partition fat32 formatted, and I would be able to use my ipod as an usb key that could be read by my divx player |
| 10:50:49 | whatboutbob | i think its prolly wise 'til we can get it sorted out. |
| 10:51:20 | midkay | hmm.. |
| 10:51:24 | yodaz | and I must erase apple firmware with the apple partition |
| 10:51:39 | petur | whatboutbob: any idea when the remote should 'land' here? |
| 10:51:47 | midkay | better wait for the gurus, i'm unsure of getting the bootloader to work without the apple firmware.. |
| 10:51:58 | whatboutbob | should be next week. |
| 10:52:01 | yodaz | midkay: ok |
| 10:52:22 | whatboutbob | petur: *late* next week. |
| 10:52:45 | yodaz | midkay: thx for your advices |
| 10:53:12 | whatboutbob | petur: i think they said it'd take 10 days by air...that was a week and a bit ago. |
| 10:53:59 | petur | ok, thanks |
| 10:54:01 | midkay | yodaz, no problem.. |
| 10:54:05 | * | midkay is going to bed now |
| 10:54:07 | midkay | night all |
| 10:54:11 | yodaz | good night |
| 10:54:20 | yodaz | what are the guru's nicknames ? |
| 10:54:22 | whatboutbob | petur: the freeze doesn't always happen right away. The first time it happened I got from 20dB to 13.5dB before it froze. |
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| 10:54:40 | e-uoaphys | hi guys |
| 10:54:45 | midkay | yodaz, hm, linuxstb is one of the main guys behind the iPod ports.. |
| 10:54:47 | e-uoaphys | when is the sandisk version going to be out?> |
| 10:54:54 | whatboutbob | petur: ...but other times it spits the dummy before it can change .5dB |
| 10:54:55 | e-uoaphys | i went to the website but found nothing |
| 10:54:56 | yodaz | midkay: ok |
| 10:55:02 | JdGordon | its not started yet... |
| 10:55:09 | midkay | e-uoaphys, haha. we haven't written one line of source for it yet.. |
| 10:55:14 | e-uoaphys | oh :( |
| 10:55:25 | e-uoaphys | well |
| 10:55:31 | e-uoaphys | ill install it on my sandisk |
| 10:55:33 | midkay | it's strictly an offer that's being worked out.. nothing's really happened yet. |
| 10:55:35 | e-uoaphys | if it ever happens |
| 10:55:44 | midkay | i would too, if i had one :) |
| 10:55:48 | e-uoaphys | oh so sandisk is willing to pay $ |
| 10:55:57 | midkay | er, i don't think so.. |
| 10:56:04 | midkay | latest deal was several players and some docs, i think. |
| 10:56:08 | e-uoaphys | ahh |
| 10:56:10 | e-uoaphys | well that is a stard |
| 10:56:13 | e-uoaphys | wow |
| 10:56:17 | e-uoaphys | apple would never do that |
| 10:56:19 | midkay | something like that. |
| 10:56:30 | e-uoaphys | hey, tell that to nVidia |
| 10:56:33 | midkay | nope, cool on sandisk's part indeed |
| 10:56:38 | whatboutbob | petur: *pedantic question alert*...while we're on gain...should (D) be displayed for .5dB steps? |
| 10:57:15 | midkay | k, i'm off.. *poof* :) |
| 10:57:21 | petur | good question, have been thinking about that too |
| 10:57:30 | whatboutbob | petur: I think I read analog gain is only in whole dB steps...decimation is used to get half-steps. |
| 10:58:00 | petur | no |
| 10:58:13 | whatboutbob | ok then. :) |
| 10:58:36 | petur | analog gain steps are 2 or 3 dB (depends on mic or line-in), the rest is stuffed with 0.5 dB digital steps |
| 10:58:44 | whatboutbob | ahhh.... |
| 10:59:25 | petur | btw, uda fix as been reverted in cvs for now.... |
| 10:59:27 | whatboutbob | ok...so its still a fair question then. :-) |
| 10:59:32 | petur | it is |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:51 | whatboutbob | petur: so...any ideas how I can get some more info about the remote gain freeze for ya? |
| 11:01:18 | amiconn | Hum, the gain is always analog |
| 11:01:40 | petur | no, have to think about that one...must be something the button driver doesn't like |
| 11:01:46 | amiconn | The difference is that there is a preamp gain, and the decimator gain, which is internal to the ADC |
| 11:02:31 | whatboutbob | amiconn: ok...so the preamp gain is in the larger steps? |
| 11:02:32 | petur | so D = decimator ;) |
| 11:02:43 | amiconn | KISS... |
| 11:02:55 | petur | so don't tell the user at all |
| 11:03:06 | whatboutbob | ...and the preamp gain goes only to 24dB? |
| 11:03:06 | petur | ? |
| 11:03:22 | petur | iirc, yes |
| 11:05:33 | petur | bbs |
| 11:05:36 | whatboutbob | I don't suppose if either of you know qualitatively how the decimator gain compares with post-production boosting? iirc someone way back in the day suggested they were equivalent (hence not as desirable as preamp). |
| 11:06:08 | JdGordon | stupid fucking gcc.... cant the bloody thing tell me im missing a ; in the .h insterad of stupid fucking "syntax error before {" in the . fucking c !!!!!! |
| 11:06:25 | Jungti1234 | hmmm |
| 11:06:27 | whatboutbob | ...and if that is the case then it would be nice to know when its being applied, so it can be avoided. |
| 11:07:04 | whatboutbob | sorry to write through your rant JdG. |
| 11:07:18 | Jungti1234 | Do you like slang, JdGordon? |
| 11:07:30 | JdGordon | some slang.. why? |
| 11:07:30 | * | whatboutbob gives gcc an empathic kicking. |
| 11:07:51 | Jungti1234 | Motiveless |
| 11:07:59 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 11:08:24 | moda|ASOT | i think i found a 15gb ipod i can get :) |
| 11:08:26 | Jungti1234 | no particular reason. |
| 11:08:48 | whatboutbob | Jungti1234: aussies tend to use 'bloody' freely...if that's why you're asking. :-) |
| 11:09:32 | moda|ASOT | bloody eh |
| 11:09:55 | JdGordon | oohh... thats what u were talking about?? |
| 11:11:39 | moda|ASOT | bloody hell its cold :p |
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| 11:12:33 | * | whatboutbob choofs off to the servo to pick up a pack o' durries then off to the bottlo for a slab of VB. |
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| 11:13:11 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob: dont live in australia tho? |
| 11:13:23 | moda|ASOT | Do they import VB to other places? |
| 11:13:48 | whatboutbob | moda|ASOT: I do. Just about to settle in to watch the Lions kick the crap outta the Pies. |
| 11:13:56 | moda|ASOT | ahh. true e |
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| 11:14:00 | moda|ASOT | eh* |
| 11:14:02 | JdGordon | u mean export vb overseas? |
| 11:14:10 | whatboutbob | moda|ASOT: They do brew VB in Scotland for all the expats. |
| 11:14:21 | JdGordon | vb sux tho :p |
| 11:14:27 | moda|ASOT | wouldnt taste the same but? |
| 11:14:41 | JdGordon | crown lager ftw or cascade :D |
| 11:14:51 | moda|ASOT | cascade or xxxx :) |
| 11:14:56 | moda|ASOT | crown is trash |
| 11:15:07 | whatboutbob | moda|ASOT: actually prolly tastes a bit better. and yeah JdG...you won't get an arguement outta me...Tassie beers all the way. |
| 11:15:16 | moda|ASOT | rofl |
| 11:15:19 | whatboutbob | you a qlder moda? |
| 11:15:26 | moda|ASOT | yep |
| 11:15:39 | * | moda|ASOT points to host name :) |
| 11:16:03 | whatboutbob | (they're the only ones that can stand that xxxx slurry) |
| 11:16:08 | moda|ASOT | hehehehe |
| 11:16:22 | whatboutbob | I used to live in Milton tho...at least the brewery smells good. |
| 11:16:45 | moda|ASOT | rofl, if you like the smell of hops :P |
| 11:17:56 | JdGordon | actually.. nothing tops tooheys pils :D |
| 11:18:16 | moda|ASOT | hrm.... i think i found a 15gb 1.8inch toshy from a 3g ipod i can get :) |
| 11:18:20 | moda|ASOT | hopefully not too expensive |
| 11:18:29 | petur | whatboutbob: the decimator operates on the ADC result before it gets scaled down to 16bit so imho I think it's better than postprocessing |
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| 11:18:57 | moda|ASOT | i found out i can get a 5g 60gb ipod for just a shade over $500 :) |
| 11:18:58 | whatboutbob | petur: ahh...thanks. |
| 11:19:01 | moda|ASOT | if my iriver is dead |
| 11:19:11 | whatboutbob | moda: what have you done to it? |
| 11:19:15 | amiconn | petur: I'm 99% sure the decimator gain is analog, not digital |
| 11:19:24 | moda|ASOT | the hdd is dead whatboutbob |
| 11:19:56 | whatboutbob | moda: sorry...i've gotta ask...are you sure? |
| 11:20:08 | moda|ASOT | hrm? |
| 11:20:08 | petur | amiconn: don't make me read the UDA datasheet again :/ |
| 11:20:35 | whatboutbob | you're not just getting the 'check hdd connection' error msg cos of some dodgy soldering? |
| 11:20:52 | petur | amiconn: any ideas on why killing irq between the two gain sets could cause a freeze when using the remote? |
| 11:20:57 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob: i dunno until i get antoehr hdd to check it with |
| 11:21:07 | amiconn | petur: Not at all. |
| 11:21:22 | moda|ASOT | and anyway, if it is the hdd, ill just flash it to the regular firmware and rma it :) |
| 11:21:49 | whatboutbob | moda: ahh...well...i'm coming up in a few weeks if you don't have one by then i could bring a spare up for you to test...if you want. |
| 11:22:00 | SereR0KR | I would like to see rockbox rocking my ipod o.O |
| 11:22:01 | petur | bah, looks like I wil have about 0 time for programming today |
| 11:22:04 | moda|ASOT | im pretty sure ill get one soon |
| 11:22:19 | * | petur kicks real life wher it doesn't like it |
| 11:22:51 | moda|ASOT | i was just about to give up and order an ipod 60gb when i get a pm over at ocau from a guy who has a spare hdd, still waiting on a price |
| 11:23:26 | whatboutbob | moda: but you might be able to confirm that its not that dodgy soldering issue by applying pressure to the..err...thing above the reset button... |
| 11:23:28 | JdGordon | moda r u modafroman on ocau? |
| 11:23:35 | moda|ASOT | yea JdGordon |
| 11:23:43 | JdGordon | ah righto |
| 11:23:47 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob: thing above reset button? |
| 11:24:11 | moda|ASOT | you mean the mic? |
| 11:24:13 | whatboutbob | moda: how did i know that was coming...can't think of the word for it...but you'd need to take the iriver apart... |
| 11:24:38 | moda|ASOT | yea, i have |
| 11:24:45 | moda|ASOT | infact, ill do it right now |
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| 11:28:12 | moda|ASOT | ok its open |
| 11:28:32 | moda|ASOT | what thing whatboutbob? |
| 11:30:18 | amiconn | petur: 2 main reasons why I think the decimator gain is analog: (1) It has a total range of 88dB, which equals >14 bits of resolution if it were digital. (2) It offers negative settings. If it were digital, and you would get a full-swing digital output signal with a negative gain, what would the input signal be? |
| 11:30:50 | * | whatboutbob is just opening a picture of the iriver pcb cos he can't remember off the top of his head... |
| 11:30:50 | whatboutbob | 'tis taking a while cos I'm shaped atm. |
| 11:31:06 | JdGordon | shaped already?? damn that sux |
| 11:31:07 | whatboutbob | moda: if you press down on top of 'casing' (not the right word...but I'm struggling) the reset button button is built into, the connect hdd msg may disappear. |
| 11:31:10 | moda|ASOT | heh, i was just about to do that |
| 11:31:26 | whatboutbob | JdG: resets tonight. i just upgraded to a 40gig plan this month too. :( |
| 11:31:47 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 11:31:48 | moda|ASOT | heh, my 20gb seems measly compared to that :p |
| 11:31:48 | JdGordon | niiice |
| 11:32:26 | whatboutbob | gah...64kb is a killer after 18mbit... |
| 11:32:56 | moda|ASOT | iinet? |
| 11:33:51 | whatboutbob | moda: yup |
| 11:34:00 | moda|ASOT | heh |
| 11:34:18 | moda|ASOT | my 18mbits on cable owns you 18mbits on adsl :p |
| 11:34:45 | JdGordon | 18mbit cable?? cable isnt that fast.. |
| 11:34:59 | moda|ASOT | bigpoo cable extreme :) |
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| 11:35:07 | JdGordon | ah k |
| 11:35:13 | moda|ASOT | almost full spec docsis1.1 :) |
| 11:35:35 | JdGordon | im on optus cable.. the only bugger with it is piss poor upload speed |
| 11:35:47 | moda|ASOT | i reckon.... 256kbit is weak |
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| 11:36:35 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob: im sitting here with my h340 open trying to figure out what you meant :p |
| 11:36:41 | moda|ASOT | you mean the thing that houses the reset button/ |
| 11:36:59 | whatboutbob | modaa: yeah |
| 11:37:12 | moda|ASOT | aaah |
| 11:37:22 | moda|ASOT | so what am i supposed to do to it? |
| 11:38:00 | whatboutbob | gently press down on top of it while your unit is displaying the 'check hdd connection msg' |
| 11:38:25 | whatboutbob | if it works the msg'll disappear. |
| 11:38:36 | moda|ASOT | down from which direction |
| 11:38:39 | whatboutbob | brb |
| 11:39:18 | whatboutbob | if your player is lying on its back, put your finger on top of the casing and press down. |
| 11:39:27 | moda|ASOT | ah ok |
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| 11:40:40 | whatboutbob | moda: sorry mate...footy is starting. ack at quarter time. |
| 11:40:46 | moda|ASOT | aahh mk |
| 11:43:26 | JdGordon | haha |
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| 12:12:07 | whatboutbob | moda: any luck with my crystal clear instructions? |
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| 12:17:04 | compubomb | anyone in here ever installed this os on an ipod ? |
| 12:17:34 | pekuja | probably quite a few (not me though) |
| 12:17:54 | pekuja | if you have a question about it, I recommend you just ask it |
| 12:31:42 | compubomb | i want to know if the ipod using the rockbox os will let you play files via directory vs using id3 tags |
| 12:32:04 | compubomb | since not all of my music is properly tagged when i copy large amounts, i'm not always sure how to find it. |
| 12:32:07 | ashridah | yes |
| 12:32:07 | ashridah | it does |
| 12:32:23 | ashridah | it supports building a tag db, or just using a directory view |
| 12:32:29 | compubomb | is it possible to backup the ipod software to later replace just incase ? |
| 12:32:51 | Quarryman | yes, you can do that |
| 12:32:53 | ashridah | you can have both installed at the same time, and dual-boot the device, effectively |
| 12:33:10 | ashridah | and restoring is relatively easy (although i'm told it wipes the device) |
| 12:33:41 | compubomb | ashridah: that's neat |
| 12:34:16 | compubomb | i have i believe it's a 30gb ipod video |
| 12:34:29 | compubomb | i'm not sure which version |
| 12:34:34 | dpro | ashridah: well you could just replace the bootloader with the original and remove .rockbox and rockbox.ipod won't wipe anything |
| 12:34:38 | compubomb | all i know is i dislike how it is layed out. |
| 12:35:13 | ashridah | dpro: true, restoring only really needs to be done in the most extreme case, don't think anyone's run into anything like that, that i've heard of |
| 12:35:23 | dpro | ashridah: but apple's "restore" tool should really be avoided I agree |
| 12:35:35 | compubomb | ashridah: i purchased a 3 yr warrantee on my ipod through best buy |
| 12:35:41 | compubomb | if it breaks, i want to be able to return it. |
| 12:36:01 | dwihno | compubomb: there is some option in itunes where you can restore the original fw. |
| 12:36:11 | dwihno | (option/tool) |
| 12:36:16 | dwihno | at least, that's what I've heard |
| 12:38:49 | compubomb | one of the things i've noticed about the ipod is you almost have to consistently have it pluged in otherwise it will run itself out. |
| 12:39:18 | compubomb | dwihno: can you point me to the tool which you use to place this os on the ipod ? |
| 12:39:26 | compubomb | or a tutorial for doing so ? |
| 12:39:48 | dwihno | compubomb: Well, check itunes. There should be some tool there. |
| 12:39:52 | * | dwihno never did such |
| 12:40:30 | compubomb | dwihno: i'm not talking about that |
| 12:40:39 | compubomb | i want to put the rockbox os on my ipod |
| 12:40:41 | dwihno | aha. |
| 12:40:51 | dwihno | I'll fetch you the link from the wiki. w8 a sec. |
| 12:41:07 | dwihno | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 12:41:09 | dwihno | there U go |
| 12:45:12 | compubomb | what does the os look like ? |
| 12:45:20 | compubomb | are there any pictures etc ? |
| 12:45:22 | compubomb | or images ? |
| 12:48:27 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/screenshots/ |
| 12:48:38 | JdGordon | oooolllddd screenshots tho |
| 12:48:55 | dwihno | the manual has up to date screens, no? |
| 12:49:00 | JdGordon | yes |
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| 12:55:20 | JdGordon | whats the battery time like on ipods? |
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| 13:38:09 | JdGordon | how do i get around the warning "blaa defined but not used" in a .h file? |
| 13:38:16 | JdGordon | the variable is actually used.. |
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| 13:38:34 | dpro | jdgordon: no it's not ;) |
| 13:38:46 | amiconn | There shouldn't be a variable defined in a .h file |
| 13:38:51 | amiconn | ..only declared |
| 13:39:10 | dpro | jdgordon: as in extern int foo; |
| 13:39:28 | JdGordon | bah, ye, no, i forgot the const part |
| 13:39:39 | JdGordon | its not really a vairble... |
| 13:40:33 | amiconn | A C variable is always a variable, even when declared 'const' |
| 13:40:52 | JdGordon | ye, but im not using it as a vairble.. but i need it as an array... |
| 13:41:00 | JdGordon | a #define is no good.. |
| 13:41:01 | amiconn | ..and a .h file should never generate actual code |
| 13:41:22 | dpro | amiconn: you think you have time at some point to help me track down what the actual problem is with pitched playback and dropouts ? |
| 13:41:47 | dpro | amiconn: on ipods that is and I'm pretty sure it's not codec related |
| 13:41:58 | amiconn | ..so the only thing that should go into .h files is declarations, #defines, and inline functions |
| 13:42:13 | JdGordon | .. ok... |
| 13:42:20 | JdGordon | .. meany :D |
| 13:43:01 | amiconn | The actual definition of a variable should go into a .c file. The .h just declares it so that code in other source files can access that variable |
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| 13:54:28 | Hansmaulwurf | god damn it |
| 13:54:43 | PaulJam | can someone close bug report 5373 ? It seems to be fixed. |
| 13:54:49 | Hansmaulwurf | is there a fucntion where i can reset the rockbox button config back to default? |
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| 13:55:18 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 13:55:32 | Hansmaulwurf | me? |
| 13:55:36 | Hansmaulwurf | H120 |
| 13:55:38 | JdGordon | menu > manage settings > reset settings |
| 13:55:43 | JdGordon | or hold rec while starting |
| 13:57:31 | Hansmaulwurf | thanks |
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| 13:58:10 | Hansmaulwurf | hm super mario2 is a bit laggy |
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| 14:13:20 | rretzbach | Hello. |
| 14:13:47 | JdGordon | hi |
| 14:13:49 | rretzbach | Today I heard the first time about rockbox and was just shocked. |
| 14:13:58 | rretzbach | I never questioned my player's firmware! |
| 14:14:27 | rretzbach | I installed rockbox bootloader, but now I have to put the rockbox files somewhere, right? |
| 14:15:00 | rretzbach | I read two differend instruction pages, but didn't find any hint so far. |
| 14:15:32 | JdGordon | amiconn: is it ok for a file in the firmware folder access global_settings? |
| 14:15:54 | JdGordon | they go in the .rockbox folder in the root |
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| 14:16:08 | rretzbach | Thanks. |
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| 14:17:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: No. global_settings is application layer data |
| 14:17:57 | rretzbach | Yes! |
| 14:18:01 | rretzbach | It works! |
| 14:18:01 | JdGordon | :( thats what i figured... can i make an exception for logf? |
| 14:18:07 | JdGordon | brilliant! |
| 14:19:40 | rretzbach | I didn't know my screen had that much pixel! |
| 14:19:43 | rretzbach | :> |
| 14:20:24 | rretzbach | I am crying, when i think about the lost time, which I spent using the old firmware :'( |
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| 14:20:32 | JdGordon | which player? |
| 14:20:42 | rretzbach | ihp 120 |
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| 14:23:45 | amiconn | JdGordon: (a) No, not this way (b) What are you trying to do? |
| 14:24:24 | JdGordon | implementing a new log system which lets the user filter out which messages they want to see... i need a way to get the users choice... |
| 14:24:37 | JdGordon | im using an extern int atm, but using global settings would be easier.. |
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| 14:24:45 | amiconn | Note that there are many firmware modules that are controlled by global settings |
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| 14:24:54 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob you around? |
| 14:25:30 | amiconn | None of them access global_settings. They have functions to set internal variables which are called from the settings code |
| 14:25:51 | JdGordon | ye ok, ill do that |
| 14:25:56 | amiconn | Why do we need options for logf? logf is a development thing... |
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| 14:26:11 | amiconn | It should stay a simple as possible |
| 14:26:55 | JdGordon | well i rekon if its used properly then there is more change of tracing those wierd playback bugs |
| 14:27:19 | amiconn | You can read the last 1000 messages or so |
| 14:27:39 | amiconn | ...and also save them to disk (of course only if rockbox doesn't freeze before) |
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| 14:28:19 | JdGordon | 1000 msgs of 30 chars each... but im thinking set it as default to log all msgs to disk, then if the user has a wierd playback bug they can paste the logs so u can see excatly what happenined before it went wierd |
| 14:28:30 | JdGordon | atm logging is only enabled on devel builds.. |
| 14:28:59 | E23R0 | HI |
| 14:29:08 | E23R0 | how's the port to 3G iPod crackin? |
| 14:30:28 | rretzbach | Ermm, am I able to play sudoku on my player now?! |
| 14:30:34 | JdGordon | yup |
| 14:30:36 | rretzbach | omg |
| 14:30:41 | moda|ASOT | anyone got a spare 1.8inch toshiba drive? :) |
| 14:30:44 | rretzbach | I am overwelmed! |
| 14:30:57 | JdGordon | moda|ASOT: didnt u say u found 1? |
| 14:30:59 | rretzbach | Thank you for developing this! |
| 14:31:29 | whatboutbob | moda: y\ja? |
| 14:31:35 | whatboutbob | ba... |
| 14:31:56 | whatboutbob | can't type. |
| 14:31:57 | moda|ASOT | nope, turned out it was a working ipod |
| 14:32:31 | JdGordon | some guy has a h340 for sale int he user maliing list (rockbox) for $400 :O |
| 14:32:42 | JdGordon | bit expensive.. but just letting u know |
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| 14:33:56 | amiconn | Logging directly to disk isn't desirable |
| 14:34:02 | whatboutbob | i've got a spare drive...just not sure i wanna let it go. :-) |
| 14:34:15 | JdGordon | 16k buffer... logs to disk when that gets full.. |
| 14:34:18 | amiconn | All those disk accesses totally mess up timing |
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| 14:34:47 | moda|ASOT | hrm... need to source a spare drive somewhere |
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| 14:34:55 | amiconn | ..and buffering before writing doesn't help finding a freeze bug |
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| 14:35:24 | JdGordon | .. no.. but im more thinking wierd playback bugs... also very bored |
| 14:35:34 | amiconn | There's a quite simple way to get less logf() messages, without any runtime code change |
| 14:35:56 | whatboutbob | moda|ASOT: what's the hdd worth? |
| 14:36:10 | JdGordon | i dunno... linusN liked the idea.. |
| 14:36:10 | amiconn | We can enable logf per individual source file at build time once it's enabled globally |
| 14:36:16 | whatboutbob | moda: i take it that test didn't work? |
| 14:36:23 | moda|ASOT | nope |
| 14:36:49 | moda|ASOT | i dunno what its worth... id be prepared to pay $30+ or so, but i only want to use it for maybe 5 mins |
| 14:37:33 | JdGordon | moda|ASOT: where r u? |
| 14:37:36 | whatboutbob | moda: ahh...well...if you can wait a month i'll be in bris-vegas...you're more than welcome to borrow it then. |
| 14:38:38 | moda|ASOT | JdGordon: brisbane |
| 14:38:49 | JdGordon | ok, too far then.. |
| 14:38:55 | moda|ASOT | whatboutbob: by that time id probably have an ipod :p if i cant source a drive |
| 14:40:27 | moda|ASOT | postage wouldnt be that much of a 1.8inch drive tho |
| 14:41:07 | JdGordon | $10ish.. |
| 14:41:15 | moda|ASOT | yea |
| 14:41:44 | whatboutbob | i don't really trust aussiepost tho. |
| 14:41:51 | moda|ASOT | yea :p |
| 14:42:39 | moda|ASOT | i havent lost anything from them tho... but i dunno |
| 14:43:56 | rretzbach | Hmmm. Is it possible that I cannot play any games on my ihp 120, or am I too dumb to find the menu? |
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| 14:44:17 | moda|ASOT | what kinda games? |
| 14:44:35 | moda|ASOT | rretzbach rockbox has a few plugin games, solitaire, jewels etc |
| 14:44:55 | rretzbach | When I use "open with" I see somethink like sudoku. |
| 14:45:13 | moda|ASOT | and you can also load up *.gb and *.gbc roms, and just load them like loading a normal songs |
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| 14:45:23 | rretzbach | nice hint! |
| 14:45:28 | moda|ASOT | rretzbach: go into the first menu and go browse plugins |
| 14:45:42 | rretzbach | Yes Im there |
| 14:45:57 | rretzbach | Ha! |
| 14:45:58 | moda|ASOT | i dunno what it is in h100 but in h300 you click the a-b button |
| 14:45:59 | rretzbach | It works. |
| 14:46:01 | moda|ASOT | yea |
| 14:46:05 | rretzbach | Thank you. |
| 14:46:08 | rretzbach | Thank you all. |
| 14:46:12 | rretzbach | This is incredible. |
| 14:46:15 | moda|ASOT | rof |
| 14:46:17 | moda|ASOT | rofl* |
| 14:46:18 | rretzbach | No really. |
| 14:46:39 | rretzbach | I mean I *never* thought about my player being able to manipulate playlists without a PC |
| 14:46:57 | rretzbach | Or running Doom :> |
| 14:47:33 | rretzbach | I am in heaven right now. |
| 14:48:01 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 14:48:29 | moda|ASOT | i wonder if there are any places in oz that have a supply of 1.8inch drives.... hrnm |
| 14:50:24 | moda|ASOT | can anyone explain to me how rockbox on the ipod works? |
| 14:50:32 | moda|ASOT | is it similar to how it works on the h300? |
| 14:50:50 | moda|ASOT | like, loading up the firmware etc |
| 14:51:04 | Mikachu | it's easier to install on ipods |
| 14:51:05 | Mikachu | no flashing |
| 14:51:12 | moda|ASOT | how does it work? |
| 14:51:19 | rretzbach | Arent there tutorials? :> |
| 14:51:42 | moda|ASOT | rretzbach: im not looking to do it, i dont have an ipod *yet* im just interested |
| 14:51:52 | rretzbach | Is there a plugin which saves a history of what I played? |
| 14:51:58 | rretzbach | moda|ASOT: Ahh okay. |
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| 14:59:33 | dpro | amiconn: are you around still ? |
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| 15:03:45 | amiconn | dpro: Only for a short while |
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| 15:04:53 | dpro | amiconn: I'm just trying older versions and see if the dropouts go away (since IIRC I didn't always have the problem) |
| 15:05:18 | dpro | amiconn: but with 2006/04/10 it's pretty much the same :( |
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| 15:06:33 | amiconn | I don't know what causes the dropouts. I'm not even sure whether they happen on iriver as well (but I guess they don't) |
| 15:07:26 | JdGordon | see... now with the logging youd be able to track down what causes it... |
| 15:07:27 | dpro | amiconn: all I have access to is a couple of ipods ... and changing the codec doesn't matter |
| 15:07:31 | * | JdGordon runs |
| 15:08:44 | rretzbach | Is it possible to run my old firmware while having a runnable rockbox installed? |
| 15:08:51 | rretzbach | Something like f8 for windows ;) |
| 15:09:05 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:09:22 | JdGordon | hold rec while its booting and u will load iriver |
| 15:09:23 | amiconn | dpro: Hmm. So you get dropouts when changing pitch. Is that only when actually changing it, or also when running at a changed (but constant) pitch? |
| 15:09:27 | JdGordon | iirc.. havnt done it in ages |
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| 15:09:48 | rretzbach | Hehe I know. But I will meet my friends this evening and I want to show them both firmwares :> |
| 15:09:54 | dpro | amiconn: usually it happens after running with changed pitch for a while |
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| 15:10:28 | * | dpro suspects some problem with the pcm buffer |
| 15:10:28 | amiconn | Is that when pitched up or down, or doesn't it matter? |
| 15:10:47 | dpro | amiconn: but then again I know jack about the playback system |
| 15:11:14 | dpro | amiconn: yes I had it also when pitching down, even at normal speed after having pitched before |
| 15:11:30 | amiconn | hmm :/ |
| 15:11:46 | * | amiconn doesn't know much about the swcodec playback system either |
| 15:12:11 | dpro | amiconn: it also only occasionally happens then gets worse but it's a bit hard to reproduce in a deterministic fashion |
| 15:13:08 | dpro | amiconn: hehe usually it happens shortly after I think to myself "wow it works" ;) |
| 15:13:15 | amiconn | I didn't test pitch extensively on swcodec, and I don't have a real use for it |
| 15:13:54 | amiconn | On archos it's working perfectly for hours, even though pitching up means overclocking the MAS, and we allow pitch up to 200% ... |
| 15:14:24 | amiconn | Totally different method, so not really comparable to swcodec |
| 15:14:41 | amiconn | At 200%, I would expect mp3 to skip on ipod |
| 15:14:55 | amiconn | ..but it should stop skipping when pitching down again |
| 15:15:24 | rretzbach | Can you install rockbox on ipod shuffle? |
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| 15:16:01 | amiconn | gtg |
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| 15:25:59 | dpro | ah anyone has seen this: "*PANIC* Stkov ata" |
| 15:26:10 | * | dpro occasionally sees this crash on ipod video ... |
| 15:26:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | How new is your build? |
| 15:28:47 | dpro | I've been getting it approx. since may I'd say - this is from 17/05 |
| 15:29:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there was a bug back then that was eventually fixed. |
| 15:30:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | So there's no real way to know if you're having that one or a different one, unless you can reproduce it on an actual recent build. |
| 15:31:49 | dpro | paul: will do another checkout of today a little later and build that |
| 15:34:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | What conditions did it happen under anyway? |
| 15:35:10 | dpro | paul: basically just browsing the filesystem and scrolling up or down ... |
| 15:36:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | While music is playing, or without it? |
| 15:36:42 | dpro | I'm not entirely sure if it makes a difference but right now no music was playing since I had just booted |
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| 15:37:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm, it may be the bug from before. |
| 15:37:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't really know, I guess. |
| 15:39:29 | dpro | the occasional crash annoys me less than the dropouts with the pitch anyway ;) |
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| 15:47:50 | rretzbach | Is it possible to change the wps on-the-fly? without copying files to the mp3 player? |
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| 15:49:16 | rretzbach | Ahh I found it. |
| 15:50:09 | dionoea | congrats to everyone who worked on the (video) ipod port |
| 15:50:11 | dionoea | works great |
| 15:50:27 | dionoea | 1 or two glitches :) (and horrible combos) |
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| 16:20:00 | rretzbach | What should I do, if the firmware crashed? |
| 16:20:50 | JdGordon | reset |
| 16:20:55 | rretzbach | How? |
| 16:21:06 | JdGordon | what player? |
| 16:21:09 | rretzbach | ihp 120 |
| 16:21:23 | JdGordon | press the reset button... its on the left side of the player iirc |
| 16:21:58 | rretzbach | Ah. |
| 16:22:06 | rretzbach | It's on the bottom, a tiny button |
| 16:22:40 | rretzbach | Thank you. You helped me a lot already! |
| 16:28:06 | JdGordon | gnite folks |
| 16:28:28 | JdGordon | damned swedes enjoying the day instead of being boring and coding....! |
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| 16:29:03 | dionoea | when building the cross compile env for the video ipod, is arm-elf the right target ? |
| 16:29:17 | ashridah | yes |
| 16:29:40 | dionoea | hum ... anyidea why GCC's compile would fail with make[2]: arm-elf-ar: Command not found |
| 16:29:44 | dionoea | ? |
| 16:30:03 | dionoea | my path must be wrong |
| 16:30:26 | dionoea | crap ... "/home/linus/arm/bin" ... i guess that i'm not named linus :) |
| 16:31:37 | dionoea | is anyone working on a graphical version of the menus ? (with icons) |
| 16:32:37 | Mikachu | there is a crazy concept plugin with a ring of icons that spin around |
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| 16:32:48 | dionoea | i saw that patch in the list |
| 16:33:03 | dionoea | is it good ? |
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| 16:37:06 | rretzbach | ihp 120: When I delete a file the file browser still shows the file. I have to reboot to get a refreshed view. |
| 16:37:25 | dwihno | are you using dir cache? |
| 16:38:37 | rretzbach | Sry I don't know. But I will check. |
| 16:39:12 | rretzbach | no |
| 16:39:16 | rretzbach | Should I? |
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| 16:40:22 | dwihno | I was just guessing the directory cache didn't update when deleting |
| 16:40:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | rretzbach: How old/new is your build? |
| 16:41:12 | rretzbach | I downloaded today. |
| 16:41:20 | rretzbach | rockbox-h120-20060603.zip |
| 16:42:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And this happens with every file you delete? |
| 16:42:24 | rretzbach | I only tried playlists. |
| 16:43:38 | rretzbach | It's the same with text files. |
| 16:44:02 | saab_rider | I've experienced the same with my H300, but I have an older build |
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| 16:44:13 | dwihno | strange |
| 16:44:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | And all you do is choose to delete it from the context menu? |
| 16:44:18 | bluebrother | tagcache doesn't recognize deleted files. |
| 16:44:40 | rretzbach | Yes. I tried directories too. Same behaviour. |
| 16:44:55 | bluebrother | this is a known behaviour. |
| 16:45:02 | rretzbach | Okay. |
| 16:45:17 | rretzbach | Will it be fixed or does it work as designed? |
| 16:45:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | rretzbach: You said you were in the file browser. |
| 16:45:44 | bluebrother | I guess this will be changed in the future. |
| 16:45:52 | rretzbach | Nice to hear. Thanks. |
| 16:46:29 | dwihno | bluebrother: ah, okay... is it the same about dircache? (although it is synched upon boot) |
| 16:47:03 | bluebrother | nope, dircache just caches the directory entries upon startup. |
| 16:47:22 | bluebrother | afaik there shouldn't anything like this with dircache. |
| 16:47:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | rretzbach: Were you using TagCache? |
| 16:47:57 | rretzbach | Paul_The_Nerd: No. |
| 16:48:02 | rretzbach | And I was in the file browser. |
| 16:48:07 | dionoea | hum ... how do you quit the text editor without saving (ipod) ? |
| 16:48:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | rretzbach: Then his response doesn't apply to you at all. |
| 16:48:51 | rretzbach | Paul_The_Nerd: How does Tag cache affect deleting files? |
| 16:49:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | rretzbach: Well, when "bluebrother" said that it is a known behaviour, he was talking about deleted files and tagcache recognition, which isn't your problem |
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| 16:51:36 | rretzbach | Okay. |
| 16:51:53 | rretzbach | So is this an unknown behaviour? |
| 16:51:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm seeing if I can replicate it now |
| 16:52:40 | rretzbach | Are you a dev team member? |
| 16:52:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it matter? |
| 16:53:13 | dionoea | even if he's not a dev (which i don't know), he's still a nerd. So he'll help :) |
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| 16:54:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, tell me _exactly_ what you do that makes this bug happen, as I have no problem choosing "Delete" and having files vanish from the browser. |
| 16:55:01 | rretzbach | I boot it. |
| 16:55:42 | rretzbach | Aha. |
| 16:55:51 | rretzbach | The files or dirs aren't deleted at all. |
| 16:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | You were choosing "Cut"? |
| 16:56:06 | rretzbach | I am in the file browser. |
| 16:56:16 | rretzbach | I press select a little longer |
| 16:56:20 | rretzbach | select delete |
| 16:56:31 | rretzbach | confirm with play |
| 16:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Select |
| 16:56:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | You confirm with Select |
| 16:56:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says "Play" but it means "The button which plays songs" |
| 16:57:00 | rretzbach | Aha. |
| 16:57:20 | rretzbach | Now I receive a message: deleted: %file% |
| 16:57:25 | rretzbach | And it's gone. |
| 16:57:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, just the wrong button. |
| 16:57:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | All fixed |
| 16:57:35 | rretzbach | Yes. |
| 16:57:46 | Mikachu | so um |
| 16:57:51 | Mikachu | why did the file disappear after he rebooted? |
| 16:58:02 | rretzbach | Is doesn't |
| 16:58:13 | Mikachu | oh okay, sorry :) |
| 16:58:17 | rretzbach | I must have made a mistake |
| 16:58:25 | rretzbach | I think it works fine now. |
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| 17:00:38 | rretzbach | Is it possible to select multiple files or tracks in file or playlist browser? |
| 17:01:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not yet. |
| 17:01:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has been suggested, but nobody's done it. |
| 17:02:12 | rretzbach | I think the REC key would fit for that purpose :> |
| 17:02:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The REC key is better suited to go to the record screen |
| 17:02:30 | rretzbach | :> |
| 17:02:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since only devices that support recording will _have_ a record key. |
| 17:02:39 | rretzbach | Aha. |
| 17:02:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be best to come up with a way to do it on all players. |
| 17:02:45 | rretzbach | That's why it seems so "useless" |
| 17:02:52 | rretzbach | Yes, I understand. |
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| 17:03:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, in the context menu you could have a choice "Select Mode" (context menu is what you get when you hold down Select/NAVI) and then short clicking on files could select them instead of playing them, until you perform an action like delete, or insert. Then it goes back to normal mode. |
| 17:05:22 | rretzbach | I think I will take a look at the source. |
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| 17:22:03 | sharpe | hey everyone |
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| 17:25:06 | Aghaster | hi sharpe |
| 17:32:36 | dionoea | any dev here ? i have cvs write access and i was wondering if it was ok to commit a small update to the minesweeper plugin. (it shouldn't break anything ... only make the tiles bigger if space is available) |
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| 17:45:58 | Mikachu | dionoea: i don't think "shouldn't break" is good enough for a feature freeze |
| 17:46:28 | dionoea | it will not break |
| 17:47:12 | dionoea | but since i haven't been reading rockbox emails lately i don't know what the current status is :) so i guess i'll wait for the freeze to end |
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| 17:50:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, no harm in waiting. |
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| 18:00:23 | Hansmaulwurf | dionoea: the freeze is extended to an unlimited ice-age |
| 18:01:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, ideally everyone with commit access should be doing everything they can to at least try to track down bugs on the tracker. |
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| 18:08:48 | dionoea | Hansmaulwurf: hum ... ok. ( no unstable branch available ? :) ) |
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| 18:11:27 | sharpe | hmm... i remember, i started working on a rockbox installer, for windows... i can't remember what i ever did with it... |
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| 19:31:10 | BHSPitMonkey | FAILED. |
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| 19:44:30 | Aghaster | Hi, anybody around? |
| 19:44:36 | Aghaster | i got a question about the doom plugin |
| 19:44:40 | sharpe | si? |
| 19:44:59 | Xinux | NOOB NOOB NOOB |
| 19:45:00 | Aghaster | on the website it says we need to add the wad file in /games/doom/rockdoom.wad |
| 19:45:00 | Xinux | nob |
| 19:45:05 | sharpe | mmhmm... |
| 19:45:10 | Xinux | how can people have so many problems with rockbox |
| 19:45:28 | Aghaster | ...just shut up and answer if you know the answer, Xinux |
| 19:45:37 | Xinux | damn |
| 19:45:41 | Xinux | well after that attitude |
| 19:45:42 | Xinux | fck it |
| 19:46:03 | Aghaster | Xinux: To a rude attitude towards me i tend to answer with a rude attitude. know that with me |
| 19:46:29 | Aghaster | the contrary is also true, if you do not mess with me i won't mess with you ;) |
| 19:46:50 | Xinux | wasnt even talking to you |
| 19:46:55 | Aghaster | Well, still about that doom plugin, it seems like the plugin doesn't find the wad file |
| 19:47:01 | BHSPitMonkey | don't worry, he doesn't know anything, Aghaster |
| 19:47:12 | Aghaster | BHSP: I figured that ouy |
| 19:47:14 | Aghaster | out* |
| 19:47:15 | sharpe | Aghaster: do you have the doom wad there also? |
| 19:47:35 | Aghaster | yeah, i copied the wad file to /games/doom/rockdoom.wad |
| 19:47:46 | sharpe | there should be two wads |
| 19:47:57 | sharpe | the doom wad, and the rockdoom.wad |
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| 19:48:49 | Aghaster | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 19:48:56 | Aghaster | ok, where can i download doom.wad? |
| 19:49:03 | sharpe | you can get the shareware version |
| 19:49:12 | sharpe | tis on the wiki page, i believe. |
| 19:49:20 | Aghaster | is it the same as in ipodlinux? |
| 19:49:27 | sharpe | the wad? |
| 19:49:32 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 19:49:35 | sharpe | probably... |
| 19:49:35 | Aghaster | the version of doom |
| 19:49:36 | Aghaster | ok |
| 19:49:44 | BHSPitMonkey | yes, it is. |
| 19:50:36 | Aghaster | do i have to rename it to doom.wad (doom1.wad)? |
| 19:51:36 | dionoea | just putting it as is in the directory works fine her |
| 19:51:37 | dionoea | e |
| 19:51:39 | sharpe | nope |
| 19:51:51 | sharpe | the different filenames correspond to different versions |
| 19:51:51 | Aghaster | nvm, works |
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| 19:55:17 | Aghaster | just a curiosity, what are wad files? |
| 19:55:46 | sharpe | eh, packages of different files, basically. |
| 19:55:56 | sharpe | like a zip, or rar, etc. |
| 19:56:10 | Aghaster | hum. |
| 19:56:46 | Aghaster | http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/infamous.php |
| 19:56:48 | Aghaster | ah, i see |
| 19:56:54 | Aghaster | there are doom levels? |
| 19:56:56 | Aghaster | they* |
| 19:57:21 | sharpe | yes |
| 19:57:56 | Aghaster | k |
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| 20:01:04 | * | Aghaster just ordered a 6600GT and dances |
| 20:01:32 | sharpe | hmm... think a season dvd set would be a good gift? |
| 20:01:35 | Aghaster | I'll happily remove that ATI RADEON 9200SE from my computer. |
| 20:01:46 | Aghaster | a season dvd set makes a good gift, yes |
| 20:01:52 | Aghaster | which tv show? |
| 20:02:03 | sharpe | avatar :) |
| 20:02:08 | Aghaster | :P |
| 20:03:10 | sharpe | oh... damn... last dvd isn't out yet. and it ships the day i'll be gone, to actually go give the gift. |
| 20:03:17 | Aghaster | :/ |
| 20:03:19 | Aghaster | not so good. |
| 20:03:36 | sharpe | nope... |
| 20:04:51 | sharpe | hmm... what should i do... |
| 20:07:51 | Aghaster | do you know where i can get the pacman roms for pacbox? |
| 20:08:12 | sharpe | google |
| 20:08:13 | sharpe | :) |
| 20:12:04 | Aghaster | do i need all files listed in here? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
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| 20:12:22 | Aghaster | i don't have pacman.5e and pacman.5f |
| 20:13:29 | sharpe | yes, ye need them all |
| 20:14:22 | Aghaster | k, can do you know where the find the two i don't have? |
| 20:14:36 | sharpe | legally, i can't. :) |
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| 20:36:20 | Aghaster | For the jewels game, the graphics look like directly taken from the msn jewels version |
| 20:36:28 | Aghaster | are the pictures licensed? |
| 20:36:35 | Aghaster | sharpe |
| 20:37:23 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, because PopCap invented jewels themselves, and their appearances. |
| 20:37:52 | Aghaster | who's PopCap?& |
| 20:38:52 | Aghaster | http://lwn.net/Articles/180488/ |
| 20:38:53 | Aghaster | oh |
| 20:38:54 | Aghaster | i see |
| 20:40:28 | sharpe | wheee... |
| 20:41:00 | Aghaster | well, it started an intellectual property dispute as i can see |
| 20:43:05 | Aghaster | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5472 wow, is that included in cvs? |
| 20:43:46 | sharpe | i don't believe so. |
| 20:44:02 | Aghaster | i'll try that on my build, then |
| 20:45:05 | Aghaster | its quite recent |
| 20:45:20 | Aghaster | its dated from today o.O |
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| 20:45:39 | Aghaster | oh, its for video XD |
| 20:45:47 | Aghaster | not 4th gen :/ |
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| 20:54:47 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 20:54:50 | sharpe | an idea, i have. |
| 20:55:07 | Aghaster | nice, there is a new theme for 4th gen color ipod |
| 20:55:59 | sharpe | however it would be very time consuming, and space consuming to do so... |
| 20:56:46 | Aghaster | what's your idea? |
| 20:58:03 | sharpe | custom built rockbox builds, where a user can choose which patches to apply, and for what target... for the people who aren't able/don't want to make their own builds... |
| 20:58:18 | sharpe | as like, a web app for instance. |
| 20:59:28 | Aghaster | hum |
| 20:59:34 | Aghaster | would be nice, but hard to maintain? |
| 20:59:38 | sharpe | aye. |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:20 | sharpe | new choices/selections of patches would have to be built on the fly, and the subsequent requests for those builds could just use the prebuilt one, unless a new cvs version is available. |
| 21:00:49 | Xinux | im gonna reformat my pod |
| 21:01:05 | sharpe | okay, have fun with that. |
| 21:01:14 | Xinux | f u =( |
| 21:01:24 | sharpe | that's not very nice... |
| 21:01:30 | Xinux | i know =( |
| 21:01:49 | Aghaster | how come? |
| 21:02:17 | Aghaster | "how can people have so many problems with rockbox" ;) you said it. |
| 21:03:08 | Xinux | nay, its ipods software |
| 21:03:09 | Xinux | not rockbox |
| 21:03:20 | dionoea | re |
| 21:03:23 | Xinux | ive never had a prob with the rockbox |
| 21:03:56 | Aghaster | k |
| 21:04:03 | dionoea | is it theoretically possible to use the ipod's touch wheel (or whatever it's called) to emulate buttons ? |
| 21:04:16 | Xinux | yes. |
| 21:04:23 | pekuja | I asked this before, but does anyone know if Rockbox is able to charge the battery from USB on an iriver? |
| 21:04:26 | dionoea | is someone working on it ? |
| 21:04:29 | pekuja | (iriver h3xx) |
| 21:06:39 | dionoea | Xinux: ? |
| 21:06:44 | sharpe | dionoea: what do you mean by emulating buttons? |
| 21:07:17 | dionoea | well touching some part of the wheel would be like pressing a button |
| 21:07:23 | sharpe | mmm. |
| 21:07:41 | dionoea | because 5 buttons is kind of no enough in my opinion |
| 21:08:13 | sharpe | it may be possible, however... |
| 21:08:25 | dionoea | if the driver lets you know where the wheel is touched (and not only the way it was moved) then it'd be easy to add i guess |
| 21:08:42 | sharpe | as far as i know, it only reports the change in position. so probably... |
| 21:09:13 | dionoea | well i'll try to hack the ipod button drivers then :) |
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| 21:11:27 | Xinux | gl |
| 21:13:49 | linuxstb | dionoea: There's already a patch on the patch tracker for that. It's called something like "absolute wheel position" |
| 21:14:01 | dionoea | oh ... neat :) |
| 21:14:14 | sharpe | well, at least i wasn't wrong this time. |
| 21:14:19 | dionoea | :D |
| 21:14:38 | linuxstb | sharpe: If you never confirm or deny anything, you'll be OK... |
| 21:14:44 | Aghaster | :P |
| 21:14:53 | linuxstb | (works for me) |
| 21:15:05 | sharpe | hence all the, "probably" and "i may be wrong"s i use |
| 21:15:07 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:15:39 | dionoea | is that patch going to make it into CVS one day ? or is it going to be some "experimental" feature only ? |
| 21:15:56 | dionoea | (it'd be nice to make the rockboy plugin usable on iPod :P ) |
| 21:16:00 | linuxstb | I'm sure it will - or something very similar. |
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| 21:19:03 | sharpe | linuxstb: what do you think of the whole, custom build idea? heheh... |
| 21:19:04 | dionoea | linuxstb: btw, any idea when the " extended freezing period" will end ? |
| 21:19:15 | sharpe | of course, it'd have to be hosted by someone... |
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| 21:19:40 | dionoea | custom build ? like people could configure their build on a webpage and get the zip ? |
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| 21:19:49 | sharpe | aye. |
| 21:20:00 | sharpe | i just had the idea a few minutes ago. |
| 21:20:01 | dionoea | that would kill the server |
| 21:20:15 | sharpe | hence the whole, 'hosted by someone else' thing. |
| 21:20:19 | dionoea | hhe |
| 21:21:16 | dionoea | wouldn't it be easier to make some kind of big zip with everything and then have a configure script that lets the user chose what he wants on his player ? |
| 21:21:42 | sharpe | that'd take up more space... |
| 21:22:01 | sharpe | unless you're talking about a, lets say, portable build enviornment. |
| 21:22:02 | dionoea | ... and it wouldn't DoS the server :) |
| 21:23:24 | dionoea | or maybe you could do something like: build everything on the server (like the daily builds) and then just let the user chose what he gets to download in a zip (which would require far less ressources) |
| 21:24:14 | sharpe | my idea was, build things on the server only when they're requested, and if a build is requested more than once, use the same prebuilt zip. |
| 21:24:59 | sharpe | so it wouldn't have to build every single combination of patches |
| 21:26:23 | dionoea | another problem would be that almost none of the patches would apply correctly :) |
| 21:26:40 | sharpe | yes, they'd have to be tailored to actually work to build... |
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| 21:27:50 | dionoea | and some of the patches might conflict (ok, let's stop being pessimistic) |
| 21:28:12 | sharpe | heh, could also have them categorized |
| 21:28:19 | Aghaster | is there a way to unpatch a patch? |
| 21:28:23 | sharpe | aye |
| 21:28:24 | dionoea | -u |
| 21:28:29 | dionoea | or somthing like that |
| 21:28:42 | Aghaster | k |
| 21:28:55 | dionoea | err ... -R |
| 21:29:44 | sharpe | could also have, if a file is modified by two or more patches, ask if you wish to continue, as there may be conflicts... |
| 21:30:32 | yodaz | linuxstb: hi |
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| 21:31:17 | yodaz | linuxstb: I talk with midkay yesterday, and he told me to ask you if it is possible to use rockbox on an ipod mini without any apple firmware installed ? |
| 21:31:48 | sharpe | not that you're addressing me, i don't see why not... |
| 21:32:46 | midkay | sharpe, he wants details on *how*. |
| 21:33:05 | sharpe | but he said 'if it is possible' |
| 21:33:07 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:34:36 | yodaz | :) |
| 21:34:49 | midkay | well, sure, anything is possible. :) |
| 21:35:00 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:35:14 | sharpe | gah, 1280x1024 looks so huge on this monitor |
| 21:35:33 | midkay | as opposed to? |
| 21:35:39 | sharpe | 1600x1200 |
| 21:35:46 | * | midkay nods |
| 21:35:48 | Aghaster | o.O |
| 21:36:22 | sharpe | it really depends on the monitor though... the lcd downstairs, looks fine as 1280x1024 |
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| 21:41:14 | dionoea | another noob question: can rockbox use the "ticker" (the thing that does sound when you use the wheel with the apple firmware) |
| 21:41:17 | dionoea | ? |
| 21:41:54 | BHSPitMonkey | you mean the "clicker" |
| 21:42:02 | BHSPitMonkey | (and I dunno if it can.) |
| 21:42:03 | sharpe | isn't there a patch for that? |
| 21:42:05 | dionoea | i guess so :) |
| 21:42:10 | BHSPitMonkey | actually, I think there is a patch |
| 21:42:13 | BHSPitMonkey | as sharpe said |
| 21:42:25 | dionoea | hum, /me really has to take a look at the patches list |
| 21:42:32 | BHSPitMonkey | so you gotta be cool with patching/compiling |
| 21:43:12 | dionoea | well that isn't too complicated once you have the tool chain (the configure script is quite nice) |
| 21:43:35 | Aghaster | yup, rockboxdev.sh is nice |
| 21:44:34 | Aghaster | my only patch in my build is my esperanto translation lol |
| 21:44:41 | Aghaster | well, not even a patch |
| 21:44:44 | Aghaster | an addon |
| 21:44:51 | dionoea | esperanto translation ... hehe |
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| 21:45:08 | Aghaster | I should finish the 50% left... |
| 21:45:10 | Aghaster | uh. |
| 21:45:19 | Aghaster | its a big task |
| 21:45:51 | sharpe | my patches would be |
| 21:46:11 | sharpe | ... c64 emulator... space invaders emulator... |
| 21:46:27 | sharpe | uncompressed zip handler... |
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| 21:47:07 | dionoea | external keyboard support ? :) |
| 21:47:28 | calibretto | so I haven't installed rockbox on my 4g ipod...how well does this stuff really run |
| 21:47:29 | sharpe | was i supposed to do that? |
| 21:47:37 | calibretto | is it buggy? crashes a lot |
| 21:47:46 | sharpe | calibretto: nay. |
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| 21:48:16 | dionoea | calibretto: i installed it this morning and it works fine (except that the gameboy emulator can't be used since the ipod lack keys) |
| 21:48:20 | dionoea | *lacks |
| 21:48:54 | calibretto | dionea: was it easy? can you switch between OSs? |
| 21:49:06 | sharpe | yes, you can |
| 21:49:39 | dionoea | yeah ... the only problem i had is that my linux wouldn't recognise the usb ipod once i changed the firmware |
| 21:49:44 | dionoea | but it works fine from windows |
| 21:49:46 | calibretto | that kind of cool (thanks for answering my Qs and not yelling RTFM) |
| 21:50:04 | calibretto | dion: that's good to hear since that's why I use |
| 21:50:12 | sharpe | we only strongly suggest reading of the wiki, in polite ways :) |
| 21:50:43 | calibretto | sharpe: ah, well I come from the ol'days of #FreeBSD where that was standard protocol |
| 21:51:02 | calibretto | yeah I'm pretty stoked about running other sound formats |
| 21:51:10 | sharpe | :) |
| 21:51:11 | dionoea | the only weird thing is that most of the menus were coded for the archos recorder so they look small (that's an understatement) on the ipod's screen |
| 21:51:29 | sharpe | you can change the font, you know... |
| 21:51:33 | calibretto | dionea: did it take you a long time? The menus can be change with the free skins |
| 21:52:01 | dionoea | sharpe: i'd have to install other fonts ... that's far too complicated :D |
| 21:52:12 | dionoea | calibretto: about 10 minutes i guess |
| 21:52:14 | sharpe | don't they come with the build anymore? |
| 21:52:24 | dionoea | sharpe: not in the dailies |
| 21:52:36 | sharpe | what about the cvs builds? |
| 21:52:42 | dionoea | but i'll have to install my own build (which should include all the fonts) |
| 21:53:03 | dionoea | and have a playable minesweeper |
| 21:53:35 | obo | There is a font zip file at the bottom of the daily builds page |
| 21:54:13 | sharpe | hmm, what do you know... |
| 21:54:20 | calibretto | they have daily builds? |
| 21:54:31 | sharpe | calibretto: aye |
| 21:54:34 | calibretto | that's some fast dev |
| 21:54:41 | sharpe | and cvs builds. |
| 21:55:15 | sharpe | cvs builds are build after every cvs commit, and daily builds are just build daily at... 11 o'clock, or sometime... |
| 21:55:46 | dionoea | you should do nightly builds ... when server load is lower :) |
| 21:56:12 | sharpe | well, it's a nightly build for the server, it really depends on your timezone. |
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| 22:00:26 | Aghaster | aren't programmers creatures that live at night anyway? ;) |
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| 22:07:54 | dionoea | hehe :) i doubt that they commit at 4am though :p |
| 22:08:08 | sharpe | not everyone lives in the same timezone :) |
| 22:08:45 | dionoea | true ... i'm too used to some projects which only have european devs (at least most of the active devs are european) |
| 22:09:31 | sharpe | i wonder how useful the custom builds would be though, and which way to implement them... |
| 22:13:59 | dionoea | when using make install or make zip commands, what does the "No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!" message mean ? |
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| 22:15:43 | Aghaster | dionoea: use make fullzip, not make zip |
| 22:15:50 | dionoea | that's what i use :) |
| 22:15:58 | dionoea | 22:13 dionoea@cellerier ~/rockbox/rockbox/builds/ipod% make fullzip |
| 22:15:58 | dionoea | No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic! |
| 22:16:13 | dionoea | it still doesn't explain the meaning of that message :) |
| 22:16:35 | rotator | dionoea: it means you don't have the wps module checked out |
| 22:16:42 | rotator | do "cvs co wps" |
| 22:17:41 | dionoea | hum ... right (i wonder why it didn't update with cvs up -dP ...) |
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| 22:18:42 | sharpe | lets see... what to do... not dealing with feature requests/bugs... |
| 22:18:44 | rotator | it can't update a module you don't have checked out yet ;) |
| 22:20:04 | dionoea | well i though that the whole rockbox directory was my cvs checkout (but it's a bit old so i might be wrong) |
| 22:21:08 | rotator | did you orignally check out "rockbox" or "rockbox-devel"? I don't think the wps module is included in just "rockbox" |
| 22:21:35 | dionoea | well i don't remember :) |
| 22:21:49 | sharpe | i believe it is, as it's what i've used so far... |
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| 22:22:15 | dionoea | i'm missing the bootloader and songdbj modules too |
| 22:22:21 | rotator | dionoea: :) is your root rockbox source directory named "rockbox" or "rockbox-devel"? |
| 22:22:22 | dionoea | are they worthwhile ? |
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| 22:22:45 | dionoea | rotator: it's named rockbox ... but that doesn't really mean anything since i could have move the folder :) |
| 22:24:22 | rotator | dionoea: ah, ok. songdbj should be deprecated now that we have tagcache, and bootloader is only necessary if you want to build a bootloader for yourself. |
| 22:24:50 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
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| 22:57:29 | BioVorE | what audio formats dose rockbox support.. only mp3? can it do flac/ogg/mp4 yet? |
| 22:57:37 | dionoea | it can |
| 22:57:55 | BioVorE | supports flac/ogg/mp4? |
| 22:57:58 | sharpe | yes |
| 22:58:01 | BioVorE | sweet |
| 22:58:17 | Xinux | can rockbox so my homework ? |
| 22:58:22 | BioVorE | Might have to load it onto my IAudio X5 and give it a shot |
| 22:58:39 | sharpe | Xinux: well, that'd depend on your homework. :D |
| 22:58:54 | Xinux | geometry, w/ algebra |
| 22:59:06 | sharpe | there is a calculator, actually... |
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| 23:03:55 | dionoea | rotator: how/where is that wps module used in rockbox ? |
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| 23:05:02 | Rixx | on the 5g, how do i make the bar at the top displaying the battery life, etc, show up? i disabled it somehow <_< |
| 23:06:29 | dionoea | display->status-/scrollbar->status bar |
| 23:08:03 | dionoea | Rixx: ^ |
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| 23:11:17 | dionoea | hum, i get "Skip ipodVOL.wps due to size restraints" when the Makefile is trying to do its wps magic ... any idea why ? |
| 23:12:53 | petur | it's normal |
| 23:13:23 | dionoea | so i have to move them myself if i want to use them ? or they're just too big to be used ? (that would be weird) |
| 23:13:52 | petur | it's skipped because it is of no use for the target you're making |
| 23:13:59 | petur | probably too big |
| 23:14:10 | dionoea | ipod video sdl simulator ? |
| 23:14:45 | dionoea | isn't that the biggest target in terms of screen size and ram ? |
| 23:15:02 | petur | sorry I don't know all the screensizes |
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| 23:16:22 | sharpe | ipod video is 320x240... |
| 23:17:03 | sharpe | and the wpses are skipped because they're too small to fit the video's screen... |
| 23:18:03 | petur | oh right, Cassandra changed that... |
| 23:18:23 | sharpe | ah, she did that? |
| 23:20:03 | dionoea | well all of those wps are smaller than 320x240 (according to the file names) |
| 23:20:10 | dionoea | that's kind of weird |
| 23:20:42 | sharpe | they're not properly fit on the video's screeen. |
| 23:21:09 | dionoea | oh, so it selects only those which *exactly* match the size ? |
| 23:21:11 | sharpe | as they're intended for the targets with the respective screen sizes... |
| 23:21:24 | sharpe | si... |
| 23:22:16 | dionoea | ok :) i only get the "boxes" theme then ... |
| 23:22:36 | sharpe | i use my own wps... :D |
| 23:22:39 | yodaz | ++ |
| 23:22:52 | sharpe | that i can't decide on what background i should keep when i make it. |
| 23:22:59 | dionoea | hehe |
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| 23:25:20 | sharpe | althought i can't decide on what to make next |
| 23:25:37 | dionoea | I never was any good at designing skins |
| 23:25:54 | sharpe | i'm just decent at graphics... |
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| 23:32:44 | sharpe | ooh |
| 23:32:45 | sharpe | idea! |
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| 23:47:12 | dionoea | has anyone here tested the piezo patch ? |
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| 23:49:10 | sharpe | not recently, to my knowledge. |
| 23:49:13 | BioVorE | rockbox is kinda cool.. could use some improvment.. But Nothing criticaly wrong.. I like it.. Might get bord one day an spruce up the graphics on the iaudio X5 version.. |
| 23:51:08 | sharpe | what can be improved on, if you don't mind me asking? |
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