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#rockbox log for 2006-06-04

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00:01:09BioVorEsharpe: I have notice it dose sometimes excute incorrect instruction (bad op code) The user interface could be a bit nicer. Its not bad though.. Mostly opinion related stuff.
00:01:24BioVorEwould be nice to have color..
00:01:56sharpeand where are you getting at that it executes an incorrect instruction?
00:02:10BioVorEsometime when I go into the configuration menu
00:02:19BioVorEI havn't nailed it down yet..
00:02:36BioVorEonly had it installed for less then an hour
00:02:47BioVorEMight look into building the filmware from source.
00:03:08BioVorElooks like you all have most of the crosscompiler stuff figured out..
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00:06:05sharpenot quite seeing what you're getting at, but alright.
00:06:58BioVorEyou know how to set rockbox to turn the screen off after 20 sec instead the 5 sec its doing now?
00:08:12sharpegeneral setting > display > lcd settings > backlight.
00:08:41BioVorEdon't see that in the menu on my X5
00:08:53sharpewhich menu, do you see?
00:09:10BioVorEits playing a mp3... I hold down the center button..
00:09:23BioVorEsound settings, Playlist.. etc
00:09:44cStyleI do not currently own an MP3 player. What is the best one to get that supports Rockbox?
00:09:57dionoeavideo ipod ?
00:10:09sharpedepends on what you want.
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00:10:31BioVorElooks like iriver,ipod,Iaudio X5 work well according to the wiki site
00:10:33cStylei want about 20 gb or so of storage, and dont need video
00:11:44BioVorE20GB IAudio X5 (biased oppinion :-P )
00:11:57zecStyle: a lot of people here seem rather fond of iriver h1x0 series (i.e. h120)
00:12:13sharpealthough i'm an ipod person myself...
00:12:34sharpeBioVorE: is there a menu button, or up button?
00:12:51BioVorEup and down change volume
00:13:02sharpetry pressing up
00:13:03BioVorE5 way joystick on x5
00:13:21BioVorElleft and right go forward and back in playlist
00:13:28BioVorEhold down center pulls up menu
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00:14:02BioVorEfound it..
00:14:09BioVorEthe record button brings up a menu
00:14:19sharpeand there you go.
00:14:21BioVorEweird button to put a menu on
00:14:40BioVorEIs there manual that explains this.. maybe I should read it :-P
00:14:49sharpeyes, yes there is..
00:15:17bluebrotherBioVorE: look on the daily build page.
00:15:30BioVorErgr I see it.. downloading pdf now..
00:15:49bluebrotherthe manuals are build daily and improve daily (well, not always ;-)
00:16:44cStyleok, thanks for the suggestions
00:22:24BioVorEok.. never mind what I said earlier.. reading the manual make me relized i didn't know what I was talking about :-P
00:22:40BioVorEthemable rules..
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00:47:19poolnoodlhi all anyone else getting music pauses when playing bubbles?
00:47:30sharpeit happens
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00:49:13agentorange719i just installed rockbox on my ipod and it was working fine until this morning, when the music player decided to stop working
00:49:34agentorange719does anyone know what could have happened?
00:49:41sharpeit just stopped?
00:50:04agentorange719everything else works, but the music in my music folder wont even show up
00:50:27sharpedid you happen to change shown files?
00:50:28poolnoodlis it there when you plug it into your computer?
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00:51:28agentorange719i havnt changed anything, after it stopped working, i deleted rockbox off and put it back on, but nothing happened
00:51:34agentorange719it still didnt work
00:51:39sharpei'm taking a stab in the dark, you use the filebrowser, and not tagcache right?
00:51:49agentorange719i tried both
00:52:32agentorange719i m not sure what is going on with it at the moment so if one or the other has a possibility of working, im all ears
00:54:15poolnoodli bet you have change the show files to something other than all or music
00:55:19agentorange719where would i change that back
00:56:38poolnoodlhold menu for 2 seconds
00:57:00poolnoodlthe screen should totally change
00:57:14poolnoodlthen hit down to scroll through the choices
00:58:01poolnoodlmenu to get back out
00:59:06poolnoodlany one else get pauses in music when playing bubbles?
01:00:59agentorange719i found them, thank you, i appreciate it, the other thing im kinda worried about is that when i first installed rockbox, there was a file in the root directory called rockbox which has since disappeared on the ipod file browser, should i worry about this
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01:07:38poolnoodlas long as it's there on your computer
01:07:55poolnoodldo you have a video ipod agentorange?
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01:18:22agentorange719this is a shot in the dark, but dies anyone know where i could get an opensource real media converter
01:20:24agentorange719i actually have an ipod mini
01:20:47sharpei don't know why, but i have the need to see if i can get the crosscompiler working with mingw.
01:21:32peturagentorange719: I think there exists something like Real Alternative that maybe can convert files...
01:22:48agentorange719does it, i have real alternative, but i thought it was basically a codec
01:23:13peturwell I'm not sure....
01:23:24agentorange719ill check
01:24:06peturcheck this:
01:24:59peturuse real alternative to create a wav, encode it to whatever you like
01:26:13peturand here's another one:
01:26:27*petur thinks google is great ;)
01:26:35sharpeyay google!
01:27:17agentorange719thank you
01:27:23*petur closes the browser with google before he fills the channel with links
01:27:54sharpehow can we ever deny the greatness of google's links? haha....
01:28:20BHSPitMonkeypetur: could have just pasted the results page link ;)
01:28:39sharpebut then it looks like you're lazy.
01:29:00peturwhich I am :D
01:29:24BHSPitMonkeysharpe: I don't see YOU getting anything productive done.
01:29:27*BHSPitMonkey pets petur
01:29:41BHSPitMonkeygood boy.
01:29:42sharpehey, i'm building the cross-compiler for mingw, so just shut it. :D
01:30:08sharpeactually binutils right now...
01:30:10BHSPitMonkeyI'm putting Dave Chappelle on my iPod :P
01:30:18BHSPitMonkeyequally productive
01:32:39sharpehah, something failed to build in binutils, lets pretend it didn't...
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01:33:32JdGordonmorning all
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01:35:02peturhahaha, for those with low-capacity-players:
01:36:06ritalin<−−-getting ready to install rockbox for 1st time
01:36:30peturI once did a shuffle-all on my collection, it drove me mad: mixing classical music with punkrock just doesn't work
01:39:09BHSPitMonkeyalthough that's not what bothered me, what bothered me are a couple of video game soundtracks interrupting real music half the time...
01:40:12sharpelets just pretend i never tried the crosscompiler with mingw.
01:40:18JdGordonwell depends on which video game soundtracks u have in there... red alert music goes well with my music collentcino
01:42:39BHSPitMonkeywell, not nintendo64 MIDI-sounding music :/
01:43:09BHSPitMonkeyBOSS BATTLE from zelda doesn't quite fit after moonlight sonata
01:43:35BHSPitMonkeythere should be a Shuffle Exclusion flag in iTunes
01:43:52*BHSPitMonkey regrets making an iTunes suggestion in #rockbox
01:44:07*sharpe shuns BHSPitMonkey.
01:45:46sharpei still can't decide for a gift, music, or a season dvd set?
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01:48:00BHSPitMonkeysharpe: a gift to give, or to recieve? :)
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01:48:36BHSPitMonkey... then go with cash/giftcard
01:48:51sharpei don't wanna?
01:49:05sharpegift for a friend i haven't seen since last year
01:49:16BHSPitMonkeyis one of your requirements "must be obtainable from" or something?
01:49:27sharpenope... i'm going to buy it...
01:49:45BHSPitMonkeymake a mix cd
01:49:51BHSPitMonkeyit's more thoughtful than a regular cd
01:49:56sharpethe only problem is, with the dvds, the fourth part of the season dvd isn't out yet.
01:50:10JdGordonwhich series?
01:50:14sharpeavatar :)
01:50:26sharpeaye. cartoon.
01:50:38BHSPitMonkeywhat happened with my vowels there, I wonder...
01:51:14JdGordonwhen the hell is scrubs season 4 coming to dvd in oz??
01:52:29sharpeaccording to amazon, never, as it isn't listed.
01:52:48BHSPitMonkeyso amazon has written it
01:52:51BHSPitMonkeyso it shall be done.
01:53:09sharpethe widely overlooked eleventh commandment.
01:55:50sharpewhat plugin should sharpe attempt to make next?
01:56:04JdGordonwhat happened to the c64 emulator?
01:56:16sharpeer, nothing really.
01:56:51BHSPitMonkeyit remembered the current year is 2006, so it went away.
01:57:09BHSPitMonkeysomeone port a wine plugin!
01:57:10sharpeit can only come back in years that are divisible by 64.
01:57:57JdGordonas in linux windows emu?
01:58:13sharpeno, as in a liquid based plugin. :D
01:58:16BHSPitMonkeyas in, wine is not an emulator :P
01:58:42sharpei thought about an x86 emulator for a few minutes
01:58:44BHSPitMonkeyactually, that seems more of an iPodLinux dream than a rockbox one
01:58:59BHSPitMonkeysharpe: took you that long to reach the conclusion? :P
01:59:05ritalinthats the output from my fdisk -l
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01:59:18sharpewhere did you come from?!
01:59:23ritalinsandman# dd if=/dev/da4s1 of=bootpartition.bin
01:59:24ritalindd: /dev/da4s1: No such file or directory
01:59:34*ritalin doesnt get it
02:00:11ritalinand im on freebsd is you were wondering about funky naming
02:00:29JdGordonu dont have dd installed..
02:00:40ritalinits in base i though
02:00:52JdGordonaparently not..
02:00:55ritalinit is
02:00:56ritalinsandman# dd if=/dev/da4 of=mbr.bin count=1
02:00:56ritalin1+0 records in
02:00:56DBUGEnqueued KICK ritalin
02:00:56ritalin1+0 records out
02:00:56ritalin512 bytes transferred in 1.478298 secs (346 bytes/sec)
02:00:59ritalincause i did that
02:01:16JdGordonoh.. ok
02:01:26JdGordon /dev/da4s1 is wrong
02:01:37BHSPitMonkeyso /dev/da4s1 is the one that doesn't exist
02:01:53ritalindo 2?
02:02:26BHSPitMonkeywhat happens when you do ls /dev/da4*
02:02:47ritalinsandman# ls /dev/da4*
02:02:55ritalinyeah your right
02:03:33ritalindd if=/dev/da4 of=bootpartition.bin
02:03:37ritalinthat would be correct?
02:04:03BHSPitMonkeythat should output the entire drive, though
02:04:16JdGordonno, isnt that hte mbr or something
02:04:30BHSPitMonkeyperhaps you need to use the bs= modifier for as long as the first partition goes
02:04:35JdGordondamn my farts stink this morning..
02:04:37BHSPitMonkeyJdGordon: not if BSD is like linux at all
02:04:57ritalinits not on alot of things ive been finding out :/
02:05:07BHSPitMonkeyso switch to linux :)
02:05:11ritalinno way
02:05:13ritalinfbsd rocks
02:05:21BHSPitMonkeyas does linux...
02:05:28ritalinbut fbsd does more :P
02:05:31BHSPitMonkeypenguins over daemons!
02:05:40ritalini have windows
02:05:45ritalinmaybe i should try installer
02:06:25BHSPitMonkeythe problem is, bsd isn't making a /dev device for that first partition (because it shows up as just unpartitioned space)
02:06:26CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:06:26*ritalin wants to listen to his Wagner WavPacks :(
02:06:31JdGordonany1 here with admin permissions on flyspray?
02:06:43BHSPitMonkeylinux would show a device file for it...
02:07:04JdGordon <- marked as a bug not patch
02:07:18ritalinand if i install on windows i can use it on freebsd?
02:07:26ritalinits same version of rockbox?
02:07:49peturJdGordon: done
02:08:25BHSPitMonkeyritalin: yes, it's no different.
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02:29:47moda|ASOT ?
02:30:23JdGordonmoda|ASOT: saw a 30g ipod video for $320 if your after a decent priced hdd?
02:31:28moda|ASOTif it turns out i can rma it with rockbox on.... umm...yea
02:31:55JdGordonif its dead enough that they cant turn it on then they shouldnt have a problem with the rma...
02:32:15JdGordoncept i heard they will just send u a h10 instead coz they dont sell h340's anymore
02:32:20moda|ASOTit still turns on, comes up with rockbox.....
02:32:39moda|ASOTJdGordon: nah, i rmad it back in december and they gave me a h340
02:32:46moda|ASOTbut, that was 6 months ago
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02:40:30moda|ASOThrm :|
02:40:58moda|ASOTso how much would a dead h340 with all the accessories and a silicone case be worth?
02:41:29JdGordonduno.. but id buy your usb-otg cable and remote if your selling
02:42:10moda|ASOTjust wondering if its worth stuffing around with it to try and get it fixed, or just sell it and buy an ipod video / gigabeat s
02:42:34JdGordonwhats the problem with it?
02:42:48moda|ASOTi think the hdd is dead, it wont detect
02:43:40JdGordongot any firends with ipods that will le u open it up?
02:44:14JdGordonbuy one of these
02:45:06moda|ASOTi wish i could source one locally
02:46:19Kohlrabiyou can exchange the HD
02:46:33Kohlrabiif it's really the hd, that is
02:46:42moda|ASOThow so Kohlrabi?
02:46:55Kohlrabiwell, I just read it somewhere
02:46:59JdGordonask on ocau if there is some1 willing to help u out... im sure there would be
02:47:07moda|ASOTive already asked, noone
02:47:14KohlrabiI try to dig it up
02:47:29moda|ASOTwell, noone who has a dead ipod/1.8inch drive anyway
02:47:41Kohlrabimisticriver should know :)
02:48:01JdGordonsee if any1 has an ipod out of warrenty and doesnt mind having it opened to check if your hdd is dead
02:49:08moda|ASOTtheres a guy in melbourne whos opened his h340 and put in another battery that said if i cant find anyone he will have a look
02:49:18Kohlrabilook at this thread
02:49:22Kohlrabiabout replacing HD
02:49:38moda|ASOTKohlrabi: i know, but 40gb hdds are extremely expensive
02:49:48JdGordonye, ive opened mine a frew times, if u run out of options send it down and ill check it out if u want
02:49:55KohlrabiOK, that's a point
02:50:05KohlrabiMaybe put 20gb in
02:51:09moda|ASOTwho are you on ocau JdGordon?
02:53:14moda|ASOTahh hell with it, ill just get one of those... to atleast check that its the hdd or not
02:53:14JdGordonthat will let u know if the disk or player is dead... if its the disk then rma it, if its the player u got a nice big external hdd and go buy an ipod..
02:53:32moda|ASOTtrue eh
02:54:00moda|ASOTif its the disk, then i still need to source another on to flash it to the original firmware and then rma it :p
02:54:30JdGordonno u dont.. if its the disk they wont be able to know uve got rb on it..
02:54:37JdGordonhow far can u boot?
02:55:33moda|ASOTit starts rockbox bootloader, gets to the part where it starts loading it from the hdd and then just comes up with an error saying ata11 error... please press a button and insert a usb cable
02:55:47moda|ASOTits still noticably the rockbox bootloader
02:55:49JdGordonah ok
02:56:05JdGordondamn :p
02:59:06moda|ASOThrm... what a crazy name
02:59:12JdGordonim off.. if u cant fnd any1 closer to help u out just lemme know
02:59:19JdGordonwhich name?
02:59:51moda|ASOTthe guy who runs that ebay store :p
03:13:30BioVorEanyone know how the %pb thing suppose to work in wps' ?
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03:27:11ts-xBioVorE: Sure, what's your question (about the %pb)...
03:30:13BioVorEI want to put a progress bar at 100x0
03:30:31BioVorE%pb 0|0|100|0
03:30:55BioVorEtryed a bunch of thing.. but dosn't seem to work as discribed in the documentation
03:31:35BioVorE(using a Iaudio X5)
03:31:49JdGordon%pb uses the whole line
03:31:56JdGordonso u just put %pb where u want it
03:32:00JdGordonnothing else on the line
03:32:05ts-xWell you're specifying a progress bar height of -0-, that's not good
03:32:13ts-x%pd can be sized as well
03:32:18ts-xor %pb
03:32:25BioVorEwell I have a pb.bmp graphic
03:32:27*JdGordon runs away
03:32:42BioVorEI want it 28 pix from the bottom of the screen
03:32:51BioVorEthe bmp is the full width of the screen
03:32:59BioVorE(160x128 on iaudio x5)
03:33:20ts-xAhhhhh - you can't specifiy coordinate specific locations, only line specific
03:33:52BioVorEwhats the hight,leftpos,rightpos do thing?
03:34:24ts-xThey allow you to create a sized pb, e.g. half the line etc.
03:35:08BioVorEnow I have to figure out how to put this pb at the bottom of the screen.. it stuck to the top atm
03:35:20ts-xYou'll want to put the %pb tag in the last visible line of your wps
03:35:34BioVorEok I'll try that
03:35:36ts-xThe line you specify is the actual line it will appear on
03:35:56ts-xKind of tricky because depending on your font it could be a different line
03:35:57BioVorEcan you have empty lines to give some space? (if so whats the flag for that?)
03:36:08ts-xJust a blank line...
03:36:21BioVorEok simple enough.. I'll give it a shot and see what happens
03:36:42ts-xGood luck - it's really quite cool what you can do with the wps code once you've mastered it
03:37:29ts-xIf you haven't seen it already =>
03:37:54BioVorEJust install this stuff today on my IAudio
03:38:06BioVorEso just figuring out your all's methods
03:38:21BioVorEvery cool system though.. :-)
03:38:31ts-xThis is also very helpful =>
03:38:44BioVorE^ thats the one I am looking at now.
03:40:03ts-xLooking at the wps code behind the wps' in the gallery can be quite helpful too
03:40:23BioVorEthat what I kinda doing..
03:42:14BioVorEok it worked.. I am very close now..
03:43:09ts-xGreat...actually in looking at the wps wiki, it looks like it is missing info about transparent images
03:43:13*ts-x goes to fix
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03:56:54BioVorEanyone know if there planes to get mpeg4 video working on IAudio X5?
03:57:34ts-xI'm sure it will come eventually, but doesn't seem to be a priority right now
03:59:40BioVorErgr, the only thing is probably worth it is the video ipod
03:59:49BioVorEI audio screen is too low res
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04:00:40ts-xThe iAudio firmware supports some sort of video playback right?
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04:00:58BioVorEyeah.. mpeg4 15fps (FFMPEG)
04:01:41*ts-x doesn't have an iAudio
04:04:15BioVorE1 thing I can say is the the rockbox defenilty is alot faster then the iaudio's native filmware
04:04:27BioVorEwhen changing songs
04:04:53ts-xSame for iRiver...the iRiver default firmware was sloooooooow
04:05:20BioVorEthe iaudio filmware freeks when changing from ogg/mp3 to flac.. and dosn't like mp4 very well (cant skip forward in the song)
04:05:46BioVorEbut seems to very smooth on here.
04:05:54BioVorEwith rockbox
04:06:15ts-xScrolling through directories in the stock iRiver firmware was almost unbearably slow - yes Rockbox is night and day better
04:06:47BioVorEI like it too because the source code for the OS if avalible if I get ambisious
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04:15:29ts-xHey does anyone else who's around know which BMP formats the grayscale screens support? I'm pretty sure some of them support multi-shade grayscale images. I'm trying to update the wps wiki...
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04:16:05Falco98good question...
04:16:41Falco98as far as i've been led to believe the H1X0's support 2-bit color only, though i'd like someone to prove that wrong :-P
04:19:08ts-xThey support 1-bit as well. 2-bit is four level grayscale right?
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04:24:30ts-xWell if someone more knowledgable in the BMP arena reads the logs, please update the table here => ;)
04:25:45Falco98hm. i thought 2-bit was 2-color
04:25:55Falco98oh. wait.
04:26:00Falco98my bad :)
04:26:01ts-xGoogle tells me it's 4 :)
04:26:11Falco98yeah i just did the math more carefully in my head.
04:26:28Falco98i was getting 1-bit and 2-bit confused (since 1-bit is "2 possibility")
04:26:51ts-xI think 2-bit is what some of the grayscales support, but I'm not sure which ones
04:27:07Falco98well i hope you're right and i hope someone figures it out :-P
04:28:51ts-xMore complete wiki = fewer forum/IRC questions :)
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04:33:15Falco98man i wish 3.0 would hurry up and come out :-P
04:33:20*Falco98 ducks quickly.....
04:34:18Falco98just i'm tired of having to manually patch-in the nice little patches JdGordon and I wrote whenever i update.. and they stand a good chance of getting into source, but only after the freeze ends...
04:35:40Aghasterhi Falco98
04:35:42Aghasterhow are you?
04:35:55Falco98not bad.. you?
04:35:59Aghasteri'm fine
04:38:08AghasterFalco, do you think anti-aliasing fonts will ever be implemented in rockbox?
04:38:14Aghasterthat would be a nice feature, i think
04:38:22Aghasterit would help to make it more attractive to the eye
04:38:38Mikachuever is a long time
04:38:49Falco98it would requre grayscale, in the case of the B&W models
04:39:14Falco98but for the 2-bit-shaded and higher-color models, wouldn't it simply take multi-colored fonts?
04:39:29Aghasteryeah, well, i think we would need to keep the current font system for people who would be better off the 2 colors fonts
04:39:46Aghasterhum... yeah
04:39:51Aghastermulti-colored fonts
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04:40:07BioVorE^ that would probably be cool
04:40:08Falco98well as with most other stuff that's model-specific, wouldn't it be not-too-hard (even if time consuming) to diverge the font sets?
04:40:14Aghasterbut what if we wanna put colors in background that aren't plain?
04:40:32thePianoMansounds like you'd need alpha-blending
04:40:38AghasterI mean, in the end we would end up with something that could be made to be as good looking as the apple firmware
04:40:39Falco98plus, concievably, one could make a multi-colored font that looks anti-aliased on a multicolor display, but B&W on a B&W display
04:40:56Falco98(though that would take very careful planning in the development stage i guess)
04:41:15AghasterWell, its just a feature i'd like to see
04:41:28Aghasterthere was a request for that by someone else, but i'd like that too
04:41:36Falco98thePianoMan: yeah you're probably right, accounting for colored backgrounds and stuff
04:42:56Aghasterif we can get anti-aliased fonts with alpha-blending, we could then make skins for the browsing menu
04:43:06Aghasterand make something that looks like apple's original firmware
04:43:30thePianoManwhy would we want something that looks like apple's original firmware?
04:43:46Aghasternot like apple's firmware, but something that can be far more good looking
04:44:29Aghasteri think more people would be using rockbox if it had the ability to be more of an eye-candy
04:44:56Aghaster"normal people" say the interface is ugly
04:45:23BHSPitMonkeyI've made a PNG-based font replica of the original font, if it matters..
04:45:28BHSPitMonkeyPodium Sans
04:45:46Aghasteroriginal font of apple's firmware?
04:46:02BHSPitMonkeyalso, you can get .ttf's from the 5G's rsrc partition (but they're abnormal, I dunno how to use them)
04:46:08BHSPitMonkeyyeah, Aghaster
04:46:11BHSPitMonkeyit's for iPL
04:46:47Aghastercan we install ipodlinux, rockbox and the original firmware at the same time?
04:47:12Mikachui wonder how slow it would really be, only a few of the pixels would actually have an alpha value that isn't full or empty
04:50:50Falco98whoops, wandered off. what'd i miss
04:51:29Falco98normal people say the interface is ugly, huh?
04:51:33Falco98i LOVE iamp...
04:51:44Falco98(i only had to make some minor adjustments to make it non-irritating)
04:52:16Aghasteri mean, the player can be nice looking with a theme
04:52:21Aghasterbut the browsing interface
04:52:28moda|ASOTpffft iamp... greenv1.2 was the best wps
04:52:40Aghasteryou can't skin it or anything, all you can do is change font and change background/foreground color
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04:55:24moda|ASOTg0t bored?
04:56:04ts-xAghaster: you can also create a menu backdrop
04:56:54ts-xWith the right font and a decent backdrop it looks pretty nice
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05:01:09Falco98well i don't really care about the look of the menus/etc as long as the WPS is readable and reasonably nice-looking
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06:06:24Xinuxspank that.
06:07:59Aghasteroverwrite = surskribi?
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06:11:32Aghastersaluton vulturejoe
06:11:34Aghasterkiel vi fartas?
06:11:49Aghasterdo you speak Esperanto?
06:12:09vulturejoetiny bit, can't remember it really
06:12:13Aghasterok is good free software to learn esperanto, it might be useful for you
06:12:41vulturejoei used or something
06:12:51Aghasteryeah, still exists
06:13:33vulturejoeanyway, i ran into a bit of a problem while installing rockbox, everything installed smoothly, bootloader loads, but I get stuck on the Rockbox loading screen
06:13:42vulturejoeoriginal firmware still works
06:14:05Aghasterwrong chan!
06:14:15Aghasterwhat were the chances you know a bit about esperanto o.O ?
06:15:12vulturejoeso, can anyone here help me with the above problem?
06:15:39vulturejoei'm using an ipod mini 1st generation
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06:15:43Aghasteri once had that problem
06:15:50Aghasterit turned out i was using an old version
06:15:59Aghasterso i redownload and reinstalled latest daily build
06:16:05Aghasterand it worked fine
06:16:13vulturejoek, lemme double check my version
06:18:58vulturejoeno, i'm running the latest daily build. gonna try an older build
06:21:57vulturejoeyup, that fixed it
06:22:36Aghasterbtw, i'm currently working on the Esperanto translation
06:22:40vulturejoei'll mess around with different versions later
06:23:50Aghasteri'm around the half of it
06:24:25Aghasteri'm gonne be the first one with an ipod in esperanto in the world ;)
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07:49:50webguest89Question on H-120 and Rockbox... anyone a guru?
07:50:43webguest89I just installed latest firmware (for no real reason) and now my Iriver won't play mp3s... I get "codec failure" when trying to play files
07:51:26webguest89It was working perfecly before, and I tried to go back to a previous version.. but no luck. No files from CVS for last 30 days work for me. Does anyone have any old firmware... from like march for the h-120?
07:53:36Paul_The_Nerdwebguest89: You are copying over rockbox.iriver AND the .rockbox folder, right?
07:54:00Paul_The_NerdIt sounds like the .codec files didn't get replaced with up to date ones
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07:55:13webguest89got it. You know... You are totally right. I am on a mac, and that .rockbox folder gets hidden. THANKS! I slept on that and forgot I needed to do it.
07:55:17webguest89You Rock
07:55:57Paul_The_NerdI'm pretty familiar with the easy to make mistakes like that. They just sorta happen, and it's easy to not realize it. :)
07:56:29webguest89do you know (off the top of your head) the name of the software that was posted a long while back in the rockbox forums that is useful on the mac to unhide the folder?
07:56:58Paul_The_NerdThat I don't know. If I remember right, it's visible if you browse via the terminal, but I could be wrong.
07:57:11Paul_The_NerdThe easiest solution is to just copy the .zip file onto the unit, and extract it there.
07:57:22Paul_The_NerdThat way the folder is still hidden, but it's hidden on the player, which is fine.
07:57:50webguest89ah. cool. I will just copy it that way. thanks paul! your nerdiness is MUCH appreciated. Damn it I've not had music in 2 days!
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09:05:42moda|ASOTomfg its cold
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09:18:58JdGordongo dees!
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09:19:15JdGordonfooty team..
09:19:41sharpei think i may have a sleep disorder.
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09:21:32sharpeand i just took the little covering on my ipod earbud's rca plug off...
09:22:43ScoTTieCollingwood for life ;p
09:23:13moda|ASOTafl is silly
09:23:32JdGordonpies r gonna get done next week
09:23:33ScoTTiei agree
09:23:42JdGordonmoda|ASOT: your a fugby fan aye?
09:23:55ScoTTierugbys worse ;\
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09:24:04moda|ASOTnope, thats just silly
09:28:56sharpeoh wow... i'm done with the awakeness.
09:28:59sharpei'm going to sleep.
09:29:04sharpeg'night people.
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10:16:43ritalinomg hi
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10:23:59Redbreva_Just posted a patch for the star plugin, if anyone could have a look with view to commiting...?
10:24:50Redbreva_(also to update manual to latest key mapping changes)
10:25:28Redbreva_Ah well, the garden won't do itself... later
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10:31:32ritalini just installed rockbox
10:31:45ritalindo I still need a program like gtkpod to add music to it?
10:31:52midkayer, no, just drag+drop..
10:32:06midkayrockbox is more or less a file browser, it can also sort by id3 tags.
10:32:19*ritalin liked his directory structure better
10:32:26ritalinsince half my id3's were wrong
10:32:28midkayno problem, just copy it all over
10:32:36*ritalin gets to it
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10:39:40JdGordondoh! bloody & instead of | :'(
10:42:09JdGordonwhats the easiest way to flip 1 bit? apart from checking if its set or not and doing blaa&bitmask depening on if it is already set ot not?
10:42:26ritalino so i can make my own directory structure in rockbox
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10:42:44linuxstbritalin: Did you manage to get the bootloader installed (I read your problem in the logs)
10:42:53midkayum, yes, i told you.. rockbox is a file browser, directories/files/whatever show up exactly as they exist on the device.
10:42:55ritalinlinuxstb: yes i used windows
10:43:18ritalinmidkay: thats neat
10:43:34midkaysure is..
10:44:31*ritalin pets teh rockbox
10:45:30linuxstbritalin: If you ever need to do it again, the command "dd if=/dev/da4 skip=63 of=bootpartition.bin" will read the boot partition. To write rockboot.bin, use "dd if=rockboot.bin seek=63 of=/dev/da4".
10:45:50ritalinahh ty
10:45:55*ritalin writes that down
10:46:04linuxstbFreeBSD must hide the boot partition from you - in the same way as Darwin/Mac OS X and cygwin.
10:46:20linuxstb(only Linux seems to make it visible)
10:54:54linuxstbJdGordon: I think you're looking for "exclusive or" - e.g. (x ^ 0x01) will flip the first bit in x.
11:00:01moda|ASOTi love ncis
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11:13:32moda|ASOTi dig ncis...
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11:17:31zigfordi dig holes
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11:36:23compubomb now that is cool
11:39:27*JdGordon calls bs!
11:40:20JdGordonairplanes cant hover like that..
11:40:25JdGordoneven rc ones
11:40:57JdGordonfor sure BS...
11:41:15JdGordonits a regular video with a nice plane put in on a computer
11:45:54midkayJdGordon, haha. you wish.
11:46:34midkaymight have required some modification, but it's certainly not a cg plane.
11:46:49JdGordonfor sure
11:46:53*midkay nods
11:47:34JdGordonhave u seen that vid where they were showing off the latest tech which added cg items into a vid in realtime? like tanks and stuff...
11:47:58midkayi'd indeed like to see it.
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11:49:08JdGordonno idea where to look for it :p
11:49:13JdGordonbut i rekon its that tech
11:49:32JdGordonthe way he was holding the plane.. it looked like it went through his fingers
11:49:38JdGordoncool vid tho.. but not real
11:51:51midkaycertainly is, JdGordon. just calm down.
11:52:20JdGordonhehe.. calm.. im always calm..
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12:39:40moda|ASOTsuckamydongabiatcho :p
12:41:48ritalinomg h4x
12:42:20moda|ASOTomg wallhax!
12:42:39dongsLOL! linux desktop
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12:43:01dongsthat menu is about all you can do with linux.
12:43:09qwmaww dongs
12:43:10ritalinits not linux
12:43:13ritalinits freebsd
12:43:22dongsa BLACK TERMINAL a horrible memory-leaking web browser and an abortion of a image manipulation app.
12:43:42qwmshut up.
12:43:48qwmthat's so not true.
12:43:57*ritalin <3 irc
12:44:14dongsqwm: oh?
12:44:33qwmwhat are you doing here if you hate free software so much?
12:44:45ritalinhes on linux
12:45:01ritalin06:44 CTCP VERSION reply from dongs: irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i686
12:45:16qwmthat must be a violated version of linux. :\
12:45:23ritalinm$ linux
12:45:25qwmwell, he running it is violation enough.
12:46:09dongslook at those "antialiased" fonts in that screenshot
12:46:13dongsor hsould I say look at those LINUX fonts.
12:46:19ritalinits freebsd
12:46:22dongsbecause no other OS fucks font rendering as bad as linux.
12:46:24ritalinplease dont call it linux
12:46:34ashridahritalin: don't even bother, he's a mindless troll to begin with
12:46:46*HCl stares blankly
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12:47:02dongsdude, you mean you DONT see whats wrong with the fonts in that xterm?
12:47:16ritalinthey look good here
12:47:17HClashridah: is it me or did the quality of the channel degrade a bit..
12:47:21JdGordonfont looks fine
12:47:25JdGordonnice n clear
12:47:30midkayHCl, it's far from you - it's dongs.
12:48:07*HCl stares at the amount of people in here
12:48:22JdGordonall but 5 are idling...
12:48:34HClmm, i remember days when there were 30 at most
12:48:37*ritalin is waiting for ~/music/ to copy to /mnt/ipod/
12:48:41HClmorning preglow
12:48:42midkaywith the subtraction of one, we could triple.. no, quadruple the intelligence level..
12:49:04ritalini forgot to try one song before i coped everything :/
12:49:14*HCl needs to prod slasheri about runtime database and so
12:49:41JdGordonwhile we're prodding slasheri... bugging him about the 2 patches ive done for TC
12:49:52JdGordon.. hoping he reads the logs..
12:50:02ritalinmoda|ASOT: ;)
12:50:21ritalini was like hold a sign for my friends on irc
12:50:30moda|ASOTok, if i got a 5g ipod, would i use the normal ipod software, ipodlinux or rockbox, or something else?
12:50:42ritalinthen my other buddy had her hold his magic the gathering guild sign
12:50:47HClthat entirely depends on what you want to do with your ipod?
12:50:49moda|ASOTif rockbox is installed on an ipod, can you go back and forth between firmwares?
12:50:49ritalinlol she was like look at these nerds
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12:51:03dongshold menu after hard reset = apple firmware.
12:51:22SlasheriJdGordon: at least i will try to commit the first patch soon. The second one requires whole re-implementation to the dir browsing stuf, including virtual dir support.. i think that would fix it correctly then
12:51:25moda|ASOThow do you install rockbox on ipods anyway?
12:51:32dongstheres a 6-step procedure.
12:51:45dongsor somethign similar to 6 steps.
12:51:58moda|ASOTlol, iriver installation is like 10 steps
12:51:59HClSlasheri: ahoy. what's the news on runtime info? and do I still need to adjust the searchengine or can the tagcache do advanced searches too?
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12:53:00SlasheriHCl: i haven't yet started working with the runtime db so i can't say for sure what the api will look like (but i will probably think about that soon). Tagcache should be able to do all searches possible in future (currently it still has some limitations)
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12:54:44Mmmmor is the only way to have a for next loop print each char separately?
12:55:11moda|ASOTis someone doing an ipod optimized build like there is for h3xx?
12:55:58JdGordondoing your own build is dead simple.. once the compiler is setup..
12:56:19JdGordonyou can even automate the whole thing if u eally wanted to..
12:57:00HClSlasheri: mk, when you start on it, give me a message, i'd like to know how it'll work
12:58:16SlasheriHCl: ok, i will :)
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13:08:44JdGordonis that the rockbox server complainig? or my uni server complaining?
13:09:46JdGordondamn.. looks like the uni server being a basterd
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13:50:28LearAnyone working on the wav/flac resume bug (#5341), or seen a patch for it? If not, I'll take a look at it...
13:53:47preglowresume bug?
13:54:41preglowhow does resume work, really?
13:54:47Learyes, always "resumes" at the beginning.
13:55:10Leardepends on the format. For some, playback.c does everything, for others, the codec checks the id3.offset field.
13:57:04amiconnSounds like something that should be simplified/unififed
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14:02:22Learwell, moving the offset handling to the mpeg and wavpack codecs should be easy enough, but it doesn't change all that much either. :)
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14:24:20rkdDoes Rockbox give you the option to output everything as mono sound in iPods?
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14:26:12LearHm... Shouldn't more codecs call set_offset? Not sure what the purpose is, to tell the truth. :)
14:29:24LearAh, now I remember, call it if advance_buffer isn't called for some reason...
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14:42:51earHertzAnyone running Windows XP able to do me a quick favor, please?
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14:46:01rkdDoes Rockbox give you the option to output everything as mono sound in iPods? I'm deaf in one ear, so using stereo sound means I lose portions of the music, and the regular iPod Mini firmware doesn't do this.
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14:47:25earHertzrkd: yeah, under menu|sounds settings
14:47:55rkdearHertz: Thanks, I'll look into installing Rockbox later, then.
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14:49:04earHertzrkd: I have it installed on my ipod videoo. quite easy to install, and easy to use the apple ifrmware too, if I neeed to
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15:05:54*Febs needs another cup of coffee.
15:06:30FebsI just committed a bunch of updates to the manual with reference to the wrong bug number. (5480 instead of 5460)
15:07:23earHertzFebs: add a bunch of fake bugs until you get 5480 ;)
15:09:05amiconnChange the commit msg
15:09:15FebsI didn't realize I could do that.
15:10:15amiconncvs admin -m <revision>:<message> <file>
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15:14:21amiconnI think the frontpage catches the information change at the next commit then
15:14:40FebsIt worked. The front page updates immediately.
15:15:38amiconnStill reads 5480 here
15:15:51*whatboutbob just managed to kill a h120 hdd.
15:16:04Mikachuit's updated here
15:18:42FebsCool. It also worked for commits with multiple files.
15:19:14FebsSort of. It added the new message to the prior message.
15:19:52amiconnThat's new to me
15:20:04amiconnWhen I did that last time, it replaced the old msg
15:20:06earHertzI wish we were using subversion. Much earer than cvs
15:25:12JdGordoncongrats whatboutbob
15:25:25whatboutbobjdgordon: thank you sir.
15:25:31JdGordonhowd u kill it?
15:25:44whatboutbobergh...i'm a dumb-arse...
15:26:07whatboutbobaccidentally put some pressure on it...while it was spinning up to make matters worse...
15:26:32amiconnHmm, quick q for graphical wps users?
15:26:54amiconnDoes battery animation while charging work with current cvs?
15:27:38earHertzamiconn: sorry, I don;t have teh current cvs
15:27:52amiconnI mean when implemented as a tag, not the statusbar version
15:28:15amiconnWell, 'current' can also be a month old in this case
15:28:17whatboutbobmade a nice little grinding rockbox won't won't see it... iriver f/w will boot but '000 files' and one gobbledy-gook dir...
15:28:35*whatboutbob gives himself a pat on the back for a fine evening's work.
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15:34:21Febsamiconn, I can check for you in a minute. I'm in the processing of compiling and updating my ipod build right now.
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15:42:21Febsamiconn, I've tried a few WPSes, and none has an animated battery charging indicator. What tag is it you're looking at? I want to make sure the WPSes I'm trying have that tag.
15:43:04amiconnWell, if the wps has a battery status display implemented with tags & bitmaps, I want to know whether it animates while charging
15:43:53amiconnIf it doesn't, tt would also be interesting whether it animates with cvs from before March 2nd
15:45:08FebsOK. I doesn't animate on WPSes with battery status displays implemented with tags & bitmaps on my iPod 5G with current CVS.
15:45:37FebsLet me dig out my H120. It's been a while since I updated the build on it and it's possible that the build is from before 2 March.
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15:50:00FebsThe good news is that the build on my H120 is 01 March. The bad news is that I have no idea where the charger is.
15:51:31lowlightLear: I have a patch for flac resume.
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15:52:35LearInteresting. I've started one, but it doesn't work yet... :)
15:54:40bluebrotherFebs, I just read your comment to FS #5460. I'd vote for introduce a HAVE_LCD_COLOR to fix (6)
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15:57:54bluebrotheris latex unicode support contained in a standard debian install?
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15:58:52Mikachui don't think latex supports unicode at all..?
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15:59:02Maxou`I have a little question, how did you do the "Recent CVS updates"? a script available on the net?
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16:00:38Learlowlight: can you send me yours?
16:01:01Febsbluebrother, I think that was Jonas' comment, but I agree.
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16:05:25Genre9mp3quick question: How can I recreate the .cvspass file???
16:07:14bluebrotherrecreate? Why don't you just log in to the cvs server again?
16:07:38Febsamiconn, if you read the logs, the battery indicator IS animated on the 01 March build with the Marquee WPS.
16:09:11Genre9mp3I get this: cvs login: warning: failed to open /home//.cvspass for reading: No such f
16:09:11Genre9mp3ile or directory
16:09:22Maxou`Genre9mp3, try again
16:09:26Maxou`then it will work worked...thanx
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16:11:32lowlightLear: email? I'll send it in a little while.
16:11:50linuxstblowlight: I've just been looking at your FLAC resume patch now (sorry it's taken so long). I haven't tested it yet, but it looks OK.
16:12:08Learlinuxstb: It's on the tracker?
16:12:40linuxstbNo, lowlight emailed it to me a couple of days ago.
16:13:02Learlowlight: lear at algonet dot se
16:14:30linuxstbLear: I've just forwarded it to you.
16:16:05linuxstbThe part I don't like about the patch is that it's still reliant on the seektable. It should be possible to accurately resume a FLAC file to a specific byte offset without any seek table.
16:16:49linuxstbThe painful part is taking account of the PCM buffer latency - the existing code just estimates the byte offset in the file based on the current latency (in ms) and the average bitrate in the file. But in theory, we should be able to store the exact byte offset.
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16:17:36Learit removes the metadata wait loop too...
16:18:47Learlowlight: what's the purpose of the playback.c patch?
16:19:01linuxstbIs that loop still needed? The need for that has always seemed odd to me.
16:19:47linuxstbLear: It appears to fix the "seeking out of buffer" bug. It's the same patch I've posted to the bug tracker in the bug report.
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16:20:36Learlinuxstb: well, that loop is there for several codecs at least... Don't know if it is needed though. :)
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16:22:30CheatrI'm interested in starting to program plugins for the iPod video. I found a How To Write Plugin page on the wiki. Does anyone know of any other guides?
16:22:52linuxstbLear: The change I'm thinking of that may make that loop obsolete is that get_metadata() is now always called before the codec is loaded - get_metadata() is responsible for deciding which codec is to be used. (solves the .m4a AAC/ALAC issue).
16:23:27linuxstbLear: But like you, I'm not 100% sure if the loop is needed or not...
16:23:43LearWell, then it shouldn't be needed.
16:23:43Paul_The_NerdCheatr: If you're the same as "Cheater" in the forums, the suggestion to just look at the source of other plugins is still the best idea.
16:24:02FebsI am loving this patch:
16:24:30FebsIt causes the PLAY button to invoke the WPS from the menus as well as from the file browser.
16:24:47Paul_The_NerdFebs: And Menu exits the menu to wherever you invoked it from? Am I reading that right?
16:24:57Paul_The_NerdBecause if so, I think I've got a bit of a schoolboy crush on that patch already.
16:25:00FebsYes, I was just typing that.
16:25:44Paul_The_NerdThat kinda emphasizes the popup nature of the menu. Which is good.
16:25:44FebsI've only played with it for a few minutes, but I believe that it really improves the intuitiveness of navigation.
16:26:07*bluebrother seconds that
16:26:11*Paul_The_Nerd thirds.
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16:27:09Paul_The_NerdFebs: Also, seen this? I've been seeing more people who're getting stuck on iPod installation because they're reading the manual, so I have a bit of an interest into whether this seems usable, but I don't seep .tex at all
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16:28:33bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, I've noted it. Haven't looked into it though
16:28:40FebsI hadn't seen it, but I will take a look at it right now. Lord knows that if people are actually reading the manual, we want to do everything in our power so they continue reading it.
16:29:08Paul_The_NerdEvery time someone says "I was reading the manual, but..." I'm caught off guard.
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16:31:49Paul_The_NerdAlso, I would like to propose that the manual pdf file not go in the /.rockbox/docs folder, but actually in the root alongside rockbox.whatever, so that it's one of the first things, or the first thing, someone sees when they extract an archive, for once it's included.
16:32:27Mikachuwhat would be the point of including the pdf in the install zip? you can't view it on the player anyway
16:32:53Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Because some people extract and then say "Hey, now what do I do with this?"
16:33:10Mikachubut once they know, they now have to go in docs/ and remove the pdf every time
16:33:28Paul_The_NerdWell, maybe just with release archives then
16:34:20linuxstbWe should be able to include a plain-text version of the manual from the LaTeX source for reference on the player though.
16:34:25bluebrotherMikachu, that's the reason why I proposed this to be included in the fullzip −− people that are updating regularly will use the standard zip most likely.
16:35:29bluebrotherI'm just looking over the ipod installation instructions ...
16:36:13linuxstbI'm not sure how much time it's worth spending on that chapter. I would hope we would have GUI installers by the time we release.
16:36:27Paul_The_Nerdbluebrother: My proposal was that it be put in root rather than docs, so that people are more likely to see it. I feel that if they won't find it on the site, they won't find it in /docs, and if they would in /docs, they'd find it in the site. But that may be just me.
16:36:32linuxstbMaybe simply link the user to the wiki (IpodPort page) in the draft manual.
16:36:45Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Someone already wrote it as a patch. No harm in adding it for the time being, if it's usable
16:36:55linuxstbThe harm is that it needs to be maintained...
16:37:26Paul_The_NerdLinking to the wiki may be better for the time being then, you're right
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16:39:20FebsHonestly, just having a quick read through what Jonas wrote, it is probably easier to follow than the wiki, just because of the formatting.
16:39:41Febs(Yeah, I know that the wiki is not *really* hard to follow, but people seem to have trouble.)
16:40:23linuxstbAlso, Jonas has re-simplified the instructions back to the basics. IMO, too many optional steps (dealing with special cases) have been added to the wiki.
16:40:35Paul_The_NerdI'm sure I'll be answering questions still either way, so I'll stay out of the debate. :)
16:40:46Paul_The_NerdYeah, that iPodLinux users only step throws people off very frequently
16:41:00linuxstbI would be happy to just remove that...
16:41:09FebsI modified the format of that wiki page slightly this morning to make it more clear.
16:41:13linuxstbOr at the very least, move it to a new page.
16:41:25linuxstbSimilarly with the conversion from FAT32 to HFS part of the Mac OS X page.
16:41:35bluebrotherFebs, if there are no bigger (building) problems with Jonas patch I'll submit it today.
16:41:53bluebrother(with a added note referring to the wiki)
16:42:19Paul_The_NerdThere should be a "Identify what you need to do" portion, with questions like "Do you currently have iPodLinux installed?" and "Is it a HFS+ formatter iPod / is it a Macpod?"
16:42:22FebsI just made a couple of changes and it now compiles cleanly. If you let me submit that, there are a couple of formatting issues that you are probably more qualified to fix than I.
16:42:38bluebrotherok, go ahead.
16:43:08bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, sounds like having a web wizard then ;-)
16:43:42Paul_The_NerdWell, the problem is that most people installing it now fall into the 'End User' category, rather than the 'technically adept' category.
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16:44:11Paul_The_NerdThe two options are to make it clearer that Rockbox isn't ready for "Users" yet, or make the installation more dumbed down.
16:44:20bluebrotherI was thinking about building a web updater already ...
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16:44:41bluebrotherwhich would mostly update an installed system.
16:44:44FebsOK, Jonas' patch should now be in CVS.
16:45:01bluebrotherDoes anybody know of the state of Cassandras installer?
16:45:12Febslinuxstb, I will keep an eye on the wiki so that if there are changes that affect what is in the manual, I can keep the manual up-to-date.
16:45:57linuxstbFebs: Thanks.
16:46:02Learlinuxstb: what patch was that playback.c seek patch attached to?
16:46:07Learrather, what bug report...
16:46:19linuxstbIs anyone working on generating HTML output from the manual?
16:48:13linuxstbI think preglow tested the patch as well, but I can't remember his conclusions.
16:48:35FebsIs that PLAY button patch we discussed a few minutes ago something that needs to wait for the end of the freeze? (
16:48:38bluebrotherFebs, nice.
16:49:14bluebrotherlinuxstb, I started looking in HTML output but is somewhat tricky
16:49:29bluebrother(as we're using pretty much macros)
16:49:54Learlinuxstb: but does only flac need it? Just tried a long wav, no problem there.
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16:50:39linuxstbLear: Good question...
16:51:17linuxstbbluebrother: What's the problem? Why are the macros an issue for HTML, and not the PDFs?
16:51:26Febsbluebrother, at line 89 of ipod_install.tex, I tried using \verbatim to get around a compiler error caused by the underscore. Apparently not the best way to do it.
16:51:47bluebrotherlinuxstb, latex2html fails on them pretty heavily.
16:52:38bluebrotherthe only solution that worked at least partly was tex4ht.
16:57:01bluebrotherFebs, you need to escape it −− ipod\_fw
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16:57:26FebsGreat, I will keep that in mind for the future.
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16:59:09bluebrotherhi tucoz :)
16:59:21tucozI'll commit HAVE_LCD_COLOR as suggested in some patch
16:59:39tucozand a fix to the %X tag
17:00:03bluebrothernice, we already discussed this earlier today
17:00:51tucoz:). Probably not the proper fix for the verbatim section. We should introduce our own macro for that. Like a verbatim-example macro.
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17:01:26bluebrotherwhat verbatim section you're referring to?
17:01:26GaLihi all
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17:02:20tucozwhere the X tag is shown
17:02:40tucozI use our own \config macro now.
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17:03:11tucozAs verbatim writes the text verbatim (including HAVE_LCD_COLOR)
17:03:38bluebrotherah, ok.
17:04:56GaLidoes anyone have some info on how to test a custom firmware (like rockbox) on an Archos Gmini XS 202 *WITHOUT* damaging it ? (I've been looking through the wiki pages but haven't found anything concrete)
17:05:00tucoznice macro you committed earlier today.
17:06:36bluebrotherI was thinking if it was a good idea using a monospaced font for the fname macro −− in most cases it is some kind of "typed" text.
17:07:13tucozlike texttt?
17:08:14tucozI think all 'OS'-stuff looks good with a texttt font. Like config/wps-file examples. Filenames etc.
17:08:32Paul_The_NerdGaLi: I don't believe the Gmini XS 202 is supported at all.
17:08:49tucozI got to go. Check back later.
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17:11:48bluebrotherFebs, I think we don't need to point out ipodpatcher to be GPL (as it is in the installation instructions atm)
17:12:12GaLiPaul_The_Nerd: someone is working on a port for the Gmini 200 ( which really looks like a XS 202
17:12:38GaLiI'd like to work on port for the XS 202
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17:14:44Paul_The_NerdGaLi: As I said, it's not supported. That doesn't mean someone wasn't working on it. It clearly says that to run on the 2xx ones the display still needs to be implemented. It will likely require some hardware specific knowledge to get it running on the 202. It's more than an issue of simply "testing" it to see if it works.
17:15:14Febsbluebrother, agreed. That GPL notice makes sense for the wiki page from which the actual program is downloaded, but is unnecessary for the manual.
17:16:24bluebrothermaybe we should add something to the appendix stating rockbox being GPL with all its own tools.
17:16:44bluebrotherbut otoh the user still sees this when downloading the program
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17:18:20GaLiPaul_The_Nerd: ok, I got that. I'd like to try to code the LCD driver for example but don't know how to start
17:20:12Paul_The_NerdGaLi: Well, it tells what is necessary to set up the hook from a link at which is linked off the page you linked above.
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17:20:40Paul_The_NerdBut as is said, you're best working on/in gmemu
17:24:34GaLiok, i'll try gmemu/gemoss, thanks
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17:36:34earHertzCan anyone recommend a good introductory linux system for development. I want all the dev tools, but no office productivity apps. and preferably KDE, not Gnome.
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17:40:32GaLiearHertz: Slackware should be ok for you
17:40:53earHertzthanks, tell me more?
17:42:15Paul_The_NerdI'd suggest just reading about it at the site.
17:42:29GaLiwell, it has KDE has the standard window manager and, when installing it, you can choose exactly what you need. So, you can install all the dev tools, KDE and nothing else :)
17:42:49earHertzme likee
17:43:02earHertzI'm looking at gentoo right mnow, and it seems a bit of a pain
17:43:05earHertzto install
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17:43:08GaLithis is a text-mode installer but it's really great and easy to use
17:43:27GaLiyeah, you have to compile everything on Gentoo
17:45:01rconangentoo is supposed to be really great if you have the time and processing power to compile everything
17:45:03lowlightLear: thanks for fixing.
17:48:23lowlighthowever, there's still the issue of long seeks.
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17:50:22MasonCrosshas anyone started a sansa port?
17:51:27MasonCrossAny advice on where I should start if I was going to attempt to start one.
17:51:29earHertzGaLi: can I stalle slackware from a cd, or is it more complictaed?
17:52:17MasonCrossThe Sansa e200 have the portalplayer 5024
17:52:46sharpeyou're welcome
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17:55:00sharpeMasonCross: also, here's a forum topic about it, although it may not be very useful,
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18:03:44GaLiearHertz: you can get the ISOs from
18:04:03GaLithe first 2 .iso should be enough to install all you need
18:04:06earHertzand teh first one is bootable?
18:04:31earHertzgreat. thanks
18:06:58RedBrevaNice work on the manual today guys... May well be ready before 3.0 at this rate :D
18:07:31bluebrotherRedBreva, nice to see you
18:07:47RedBrevaHi bluebrother
18:07:54bluebrotherI've played around a bit with the themes page ... made a small php script.
18:08:13bluebrotherif you're interested:
18:08:44RedBrevahehehe, just like the real thing :D
18:08:55bluebrotherit's mostly a quick hack and designed for a drop-in solution. Put in the zip, a png and a txt with some comments.
18:09:33sharpebluebrother: that looks very nice...
18:09:36bluebrothermostly. Found some small differences to your page but haven't removed them yet.
18:10:29bluebrotherI was thinking if such a page would be nicer thant the wiki pages ...
18:10:41sharpei believe it would be
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18:11:58bluebrotherRedBreva, if you're interested in the script I can sent it to you. Needs PHP4.
18:12:26sharpeoh, but no sharpe? i see. heheh
18:12:56RedBrevaIt's main raison d’être was that it is actually a managed page, rather than a wiki... ie all the entries have actually been tested and proven to work...
18:13:10RedBrevaSure, would be good to see how it should be done :D
18:13:15bluebrothersharpe, if you want to host some themes ... or maybe itself? Np.
18:14:02sharpewell, i could put some themes on twisted`'s hosting i have. :D
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18:15:17bluebrotherln is a nice thing ;-)
18:15:22bluebrother and index.phps
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18:16:27bluebrotherlink files.
18:16:31sharpeoh, right
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18:16:45bluebrotherphp recognizes the extension phps, and displays the file syntax-highlighted.
18:17:02sharpei did not know that about php, actually.
18:17:02bluebrotherso I just symlinked it to the same name with that extension.
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18:17:29bluebrotherall data is stored in the data subdirectory (you can browse it on that server)
18:18:01bluebrotherfor use with the script, I mean.
18:19:26bluebrotherphp is great for stuff like that because a lot of things can be achieved pretty quickly (and easy) :)
18:19:41sharpei haven't used php in a little while
18:20:31RedBrevanever even seen PHP till looking at that, so looks like I may have some reading to do ;-)
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18:22:15MmmmDoes anyone here use an Ondio for recording?
18:24:40RedBrevabluebrother: Will your site stay up for a while? I am away on a training course from Monday Am till Friday PM, and won't be online at all in that time, and could really use it to get my head around the way it works...
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18:26:29bluebrotherRedBreva, I'm using that page mostly just as playground and for demonstrating purposes, but I can leave the files around some time.
18:27:07bluebrotheror put all files in an archive and send it to you. It's mostly copied from your page ;-)
18:27:47RedBrevaThat may be better if you could...
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18:30:17RedBrevaI don't have permission...
18:30:29bluebrotheroops, fixed.
18:31:01RedBrevaok, got it.... thanks
18:31:23sharpeshould i actually try the customized builds?
18:31:26bluebrotherok, I'm deleting the archive (as I'm somewhat low on disk space on that server)
18:31:37sharpeer, making a way for users to customize them.
18:31:43bluebrothersharpe, or do you want to get it before? ;-)
18:31:53sharpeah, sure, whynot. have a backup :)
18:32:02bluebrotherhehe :)
18:32:20bluebrotherto make backups of your software distribute them as source code to the public ;-)
18:32:25sharpehath got it
18:32:56sharpethat always works
18:33:56bluebrotherI only forgot the license information for backuping to the public ;-) (Take it as GPL)
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18:40:41bluebrothernice, the credits inclusion is getting closer to what I want.
18:43:01bluebrotherthe credits list in the manual.
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18:43:38sharpei think i'll go do something. later everyone.
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18:52:44RedBrevaAnyone willing to commit the remaining part of and have a look at (similar thing - different plugin)
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19:01:37RedBrevaLater guys, "Real Life" (tm) calls again...
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19:43:37bluebrothertucoz, do you know if I can assume to have utf8x as inputenc on all machines?
19:44:14tucozno. There were talks earlier on wether we should switch to that completely
19:44:22tucozSo. I am not sure
19:45:01bluebrotherI was playing around a bit with the inclusion of the credits file. But that is utf8.
19:45:52bluebrotherso I have 2 issues left: we need to switch to utf8 for that and the Makefile needs to copy the credits file to the build dir (and strip the header)
19:46:31bluebrotherbut I haven't figured out how to extend the Makefile generation to do so.
19:46:53tucozDo we have to switch to utf8 for the entire docs?
19:47:19bluebrotherhmm, don't know.
19:47:44tucozthat is for the
19:47:44bluebrotherfile tells me only the credits file being utf8
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19:49:31tucozok. Otherwize we would have to run sed to change the ö to \"o right?
19:49:44tucozor something like that
19:50:40bluebrotheror use iconv to convert it to latin1. But I'd prefer the utf8 approach as it would make it possible to use characters outside of latin1 (once we should need it)
19:51:41bluebrotherwe have also french accents and the spanish ~n
19:51:43tucozOk. And then we need to state something in the preamble? If that is the case, go ahead. I am a total rookie with regards to codepages
19:52:28bluebrotherit's as simly as \usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}, but at least on my fedora box the utf8 stuff isn't in the main package.
19:52:48bluebrotherunfortunately we can't simply include a style file for this.
19:53:58tucozI see. But I think you know this better than me anyway. I'll let you decide what to do :)
19:55:17bluebrotherdamn ;-)
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19:55:54bluebrotherok, I guess I'll should ask Bagder if we have utf8 on the build servers. I guess the manual is build on only?
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19:56:40tucozI'll see if utf8 is in the main package
19:56:43tucozon ubuntu
19:57:25tucozwhich it isn't
19:57:30oboit's latex-ucs on debian....
19:57:57tucozOk. I'll see if that is in my repos
19:59:48tucozbluebrother, ok. It was as simple as apt-getting a package. Maybe we should just tell people to install that package.
19:59:54tucozIf they want to work on the manual
20:00:46bluebrotherI think this would be ok, but we need the daily servers know of that change before doin it actually ;-)
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20:01:42tucozYes. That might be something to thing of :)
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20:03:06deadheadhi guys
20:03:16deadheadI read a lot about this great project
20:03:26deadheadbut I didn't get one thing
20:03:39deadheadif I have i.e. an ipod
20:03:47deadheadand I decide to use rockbox
20:04:38deadheadI can upload my music file directly on the player or I have to recreate the internal db ad with the ipod firmware?
20:05:23deadheaddoes rockbox make the ipod an easy and really multiplatform player?
20:05:53 Quit sensoe ()
20:06:37bluebrotherdeadhead, you can't use the ipod database. Instead, you can use its own database (tagcache) or play files based on their directory structure
20:08:35deadheadso no more legacy with iTunes or the need to use gtkpod!!!!
20:08:43deadheadG R E A T !
20:09:24deadheadthank you bluebrother , I imagine something like that, but nowhere was written :D
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20:11:14evilnickobo, are you around?
20:12:03evilnickcool. Here's my crappy workaround for a non-RTC target - so that one can cubmit to
20:13:09evilnick(s/cubmit/submit) 1. Find out the current unix timestamp, set this for the LAST song in the logfile
20:14:11evilnick2. Subtract the length of the last song and also another value (as a form of buffer, I use 5 secs or 10 secs) and set that for the second to last song
20:14:32oboand then work your way back through the entire list?
20:14:43evilnick3. Carry on using that formula and you've got an inaccurate, sloppy, but working way of submitting!!
20:17:34obohmm, okay, it would be easy enough to log without the timestamp - say to a different filename
20:17:48oboand have something else post-process that file and add in the timestamps?
20:17:55evilnickGot no idea about scripting so have been using Excel to do this in the meantime.
20:19:12evilnickYeah, it'd make sense to have this happen automatically in the submitting program/script if there was no proper timestamp. Would make it simpler for me, anyway
20:20:57obookay, I'll see what I can cook up.
20:21:26obowhat platform are you on, btw?
20:21:48evilnickWindows XP
20:22:07evilnickBut I've obv. got the debian image for compiling.
20:22:09oboI meant ondio, or h1xx series or ...
20:22:30evilnickAh, right, makes more sense... iRiver h140
20:23:34obookay, shouldn't be any problems - the HWCODEC stuff hasn't been tested yet
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20:44:34XavierGrutf-8 for the credits plugin?
20:44:49XavierGrDoesn't this need a unicode default font?
20:45:37XavierGrah I forgot Credits can be loaded with the font the user selected
20:46:05XavierGrbut main problem is with screens that use the default font and non-latin characters
20:47:16bluebrotherisn't the problem more the fact that the default font doesn't have all glyphs?
20:48:11bluebrotherif I understand correctly rockbox is running completely using utf8 −− or is there a codepage switching function?
20:49:07midkaythere's a codepage entry in the.. erm.. system menu?
20:49:28midkayi'm not at all into all that utf8/unicode/codepage stuff, but .. may be useful for you. :)
20:50:37bluebrotheras far as I understood this setting was for the encoding of id3v1 tags (which don't have a specific encoding and no field indicating which encoding was used)
20:50:49midkayah, quite possibly. no idea. :)
20:51:53bluebrotherbut I'm not sure, haven't found the time to work myself into the code −− atm it's just the credits file for the documentation for me ;-)
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21:19:28RedBrevabluebrother: hehehe, it worked... Now, I need to find time to understand it how, and start pacakaging up a few more themes... Vielen Dank
21:20:09RedBrevas/understand it how/understand how
21:21:42midkayRedBreva, just a tip.. the larger LCDs seem to have sized-down screens which is a bad idea IMO..
21:22:08midkaypeople probably want to see exactly what they'll get, and it's hard to read many of them.. i liked the old click-image-for-larger-version setup.
21:22:13midkaymaybe a link to a fullsized image would work.
21:22:20midkayeither way, just a thought. :)
21:23:02RedBrevaI agree, but this is mark 1 PHP scripted version - I need to read up on PHP now to enhance it to my satisfaction
21:23:28RedBrevaThe previous was hand coded HTML, and would be a 'mare to maintain...
21:24:03midkayah. cool. :)
21:24:06RedBrevaI am just pleased to actually get the bluebrother's scripts up and running at this moment :)
21:24:20midkay:) coming along well..
21:24:52RedBrevathanks, I just need to find enough time to actually complete it now :(
21:25:04bluebrotherRedBreva, great ;-)
21:25:06midkayah, the tough part. :)
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21:27:28bluebrotherRedBreva, if you want to use bigger preview images you can adjust the number of columns with the width variable
21:27:49bluebrotherit gets adjusted depending on the resolution (atm it's always set to 4)
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21:29:49sharpehello everyone...
21:31:21bluebrotherfeel free to ask if you need some improvements ... I've passed an exam on friday, so now I've some time for "playing around" ;-)
21:31:37sharpei have to take an exam monday...
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21:32:38bluebrotherhehe ... Schlund+Partner :)
21:32:49bluebrotherthey are located in my city
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21:33:34RedBrevaI have a week of study on "Nortel Contact Centre 6, MultiMedia, Installation & Maintenance" - and the instructor is a well know PITA!
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21:33:59RedBrevaNot looking forwards to that, at least no test at the end of it ;-)
21:34:48RedBrevawhat is preg_replace?
21:36:39Quarrymanregular expression replace with perl-syntax
21:37:25RedBrevaOK..... and in english?
21:37:27bluebrotherbut preg_replace takes two arguments for the replacement.
21:37:45*RaeNye snaps his finger
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21:37:49bluebrotherreplace the match of the regular expression (first argument) with the 2nd argument
21:38:16bluebrotherand do this on the 3rd argument.
21:38:43RedBrevaAh, Ok was just about to ask about the 3rd arg... hehhee thanks
21:40:39RedBrevaso just to make sure I've got it what would be the before and after with, for example, preg_replace('/\//', '', $_GET['res']) ??
21:41:07_FireFly_there is a syntax failure
21:41:17_FireFly_or is the " an ''
21:41:38bluebrotherit's two simple quotes, so it's perfectly correct
21:42:03bluebrotherthis matches every single slash and replaces it with nothing.
21:42:48bluebrotherthe expression in enclosed in a delimiter, which is a slash in this case. Now match for a slash, which we need to escape with a backslash.
21:43:00RedBrevaAh, so /\ is an escaped backslash and // is an escaped forward slash?
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21:43:17_FireFly_no \/ is a escaped slash
21:43:33_FireFly_the backslash is used to escape the next char
21:43:34bluebrotherno, it's / (beginning delimiter) \/ (escaped slash) / (ending delimiter)
21:44:07bluebrothersimilar to the line later: preg_replace('/\.zip$/', '', $v);
21:44:30RedBrevaOK, brain starting to click into gear now... Thanks guys, lots to learn here
21:44:34bluebrotherthe . has a special meaning, as it matches any single character. To match a dot we need to escape it, hence the \.
21:44:58bluebrotherwhile the $ marks the end of a line, thus matching the ending ".zip"
21:45:13bluebrotherregexp can be fun, but also be hell ;-)
21:45:19RedBrevaOK, easy once you understand it
21:45:26RedBrevaor not!
21:46:00bluebrotherhehe ;-)
21:46:25RedBrevadoes the $ prefix indicate a string var?
21:47:09bluebrotheron php yes.
21:48:02RedBrevaI feel a copy of "PHP for Dummies" will soon be purchased... Something to study before going to the bar in the evenings...
21:48:22RedBrevaDefinately not after the bar!!
21:48:25sharpei bought a c# book, haven't had a need to use it...
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21:48:55RedBrevaNor me....
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21:48:58sharpealso spilt something partially on it...
21:49:07RedBrevanever programmed in c# tho...
21:49:36sharpei do on occasion...
21:50:12RedBrevaMy last serious programming was actuallt in Visual Basic 3, so you can see how I may be a little rusty
21:50:21RedBrevaor even actually
21:50:40RedBrevaThat is if you count VB3 as serious programming... hehehe
21:50:46sharpei never really liked visual basic
21:51:19RedBrevaworking to an access 2 database :)
21:51:21bluebrotherwho actually does like vb?
21:51:38bluebrothersounds like really long ago.
21:51:46RedBrevaI did... :(
21:52:05bluebrotherI programmed basic on my c64 years ago.
21:52:48bluebrotherwhat's the actual version number of access? 2003? MS must have released really much versions in the last years ;-)
21:54:01RedBrevaCurrently Access 2007 Beta which is Access 12
21:54:16RedBrevaBut I think they skipped few versions
21:55:37bluebrotherdon't have the slightest intend to use it.
21:56:35bluebrothersome days ago a pc magazine shipped with office 2007 beta. When I was talking with a friend of mine about that he told me he still needs to decide which machine to sarify ;-)
21:56:52RedBrevaDamn - VB3 was 1993... 13 years ago!
21:57:51RedBrevaI am running office 2007 on my desktop PC, it seems to be really stable, and quite nice to use - nothing has changed drastically (Except the ribbonbar) but it's just nicer
21:58:29RedBrevaoh, anf Outlook takes even longer to load... but it does seem to have a decent RSS feed build in now
21:59:43bluebrotherI used to work with outlook about 2 years ago ... the calendar stuff is really nice but it's a desaster that calendar program can produce mails.
22:00:05bluebrotherI needed 2 month until I was able writing mails the way I wanted it to ...
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22:01:50RedBrevaIt still manages to take my carefully crafted thoughts and ideas, then sends out an e-mail full of typo's and factual inaccuracies...
22:02:25RedBrevaor perhaps, I should read what I type before pressing send :( hehehe
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22:17:11bluebrotheraaah. Forgot to sort the device table.
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22:25:36RedBrevais an assumption of 1024 screen res minimum to unreasonable?
22:25:53RedBrevaie three iPod Video screens on each row?
22:26:11sharpesounds... reasonable...
22:26:12BHSPitMonkeyI'd make a site 800x600 safe
22:26:33BHSPitMonkeyit'd be nicer if your table adjusted itself.
22:26:57RedBrevaBut wouldn't you assume anyone spending cash on a 320*240 resiolution DAP, would have better that 800*600 on the PC?
22:27:02bluebrotherI have 1024 but I really dislike maximized windows, so my browser is usually more to 800px than 1024
22:28:14bluebrotherlooks good to me
22:28:26RedBrevaOK... good enough for me
22:29:22bluebrotherpretty impressing how a big sized wps can look
22:31:34RedBrevaHmm, sorting the device table looks a bit odd - Recorder between iPod Color and H340?
22:36:13bluebrotheryeah, that's what I meant.
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22:36:35bluebrotherthe association device name -> resolution is in data/devices.txt
22:36:51RedBrevaOK, sorted into a manufacturer / chronological order
22:37:09RedBrevaNot sure if there is a H300 is there?
22:38:10bluebrotheryou can simply add a natcasesort($dev); after the first fclose($hdl); line. That's what I meant before.
22:38:36RedBrevaOh... No Ondio...!
22:39:19bluebrotherthen simply add it to the devices.txt. My intention was to have a bunch of files and let the page adjust automagically ;-)
22:39:45RedBrevaThis is just so cool, nice one
22:40:20bluebrotherthat's the reason why I wanted to have that missed sort in there.
22:40:29bluebrotherdevices.txt is tab delimited.
22:40:36BHSPitMonkeyhmm, row 1 doesn't work
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22:45:46racestoapril1is there any documented tutorial for installing rockbox on a ipod mini 2nd gen with ubuntu linux?
22:46:54bluebrotherubuntu linux is just some linux distribution −− there shouldn't anything distribution specific.
22:46:55BHSPitMonkeyyeah, search the wiki
22:48:43tucozracestoapril1, <−− check that page
22:49:13racestoapril1okay, thanks
22:49:17racestoapril1i'm gonna try that
22:49:28racestoapril1what are the main bonuses from installing rockbox?
22:49:38racestoapril1in your opinion
22:50:12dpassen1Gapless, on the fly playlisting, bootup time, directory navigation, constant updates
22:50:14Aghastermore music formats
22:50:17Aghasterlike flac
22:50:34Aghasterability to use your mp3 player as directory based
22:50:44Aghasternot using apple's database format
22:50:49Aghasterno DRM?
22:51:14tucozA firmware in constant development
22:51:42tucozwhere your voice could be heard (if your feature request is sane)
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22:52:17RaeNyeunicode support in tags
22:52:36Aghasterlol, sane, yeah. not like that stupid guy who requested a wmv -> mp3 converter because "wmv is the second most used music format and has lots of future"
22:52:45bluebrotheri still want the coffee maker plugin ;-)
22:53:16tucozAghaster, hehe
22:53:27RedBrevabluebrother: Changing width at line 20 seems a little unpredictable... how do I make this device taleb 6 columns?
22:53:38RaeNyeI want plugins that are both realistic and infeasible
22:53:44AghasterWhen i read that all that was in my head was like "omg this guy is completely mad"
22:54:03RaeNyee.g., playing rockboy 1 on 1 via USB link
22:54:15Aghastersecond most used format and that has a future... "good format" XD
22:55:07tucozRaeNye, that would be cool
22:55:30bluebrotherRedBreva, change $width to 6
22:55:53racestoapril1has anyone here ever compiled the ipod version with linux?
22:56:12bluebrotherline 19.
22:56:14RedBrevaGot it, there was another 4 hard coded at line 47
22:56:24Aghasterits far easier than on windows, i'd say
22:56:30ritalinrockbox works great
22:56:38Aghasterof course it does ;)
22:56:45bluebrotheroops, yeah, I missed that one.
22:57:00racestoapril1Aghaster: what distro of linux do you use? i'm using C and i'm trying to figure out how to compile the package
22:57:06ritalinwas listening to my Ride of the valkyries Wavpacks :P
22:57:08RaeNyeAnother improbable feature-req: while hearing FM radio, detect commercial breaks automatically and play a mp3 instead
22:57:12Aghasterlinux gentoo
22:57:25RedBrevachanged that to $width and it;s doing what I expected now... I like the test's you build into this... It's a great tutorial method ;-)
22:57:41Aghasterracetoaprill: download from cvs and use the script in the tools directory
22:57:54RaeNyeAghaster: are you able to compile /and run/ the ui sim? I use gentoo as well and get alsa seg fault
22:57:55Aghasterit'll install the toolchains required to build rockbox
22:58:07Aghasteri haven't built the ui sim yet
22:59:37racestoapril1aghaster: which version should i use, ipod mini 2g or ipod mini 2g boot or ipod mini 2g sim
22:59:56Aghasterfor what?
23:00:09racestoapril1from the CVS
23:00:23Aghasteremerge rockbox-dev from cvs
23:00:30Aghasternot emerge, but download
23:00:56RaeNyeplease try it and tell me if it segfaults
23:01:20RedBrevaOK, bluebrother, once again thank you for your help... I am off now till Friday. Night all
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23:01:40XavierGrah nice B#5354 was a yield after all.
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23:02:11*petur isn't convinced what part of #5354 was fixed
23:02:29ritalinrockbox play .acc?
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23:03:53tucozritalin, you mean .AAC? in that case, yes
23:04:15peturbut not continuously ;)
23:04:17tucozbut not realtime according to
23:04:37ritalinsome guy sent me some .aac's and i cant play them with nuthin
23:04:46ritalinhe might have recorded them wrong
23:05:09tucozritalin, optimize the rockbox codec and you can play them with rockbox :)
23:05:21ritalin[chad@sandman rite_of_spring]% file track01.cdda.aac
23:05:21ritalintrack01.cdda.aac: MPEG ADTS, AAC, v4, LC, 44.1 kHz, stereo
23:05:50tucozpetur, not even realtime on the ipods? The soundcodecs page states that it plays realtime on ipod.
23:06:01XavierGrpetur: the bug that made audio stop for a while when someone pages \up\down
23:06:05racestoapril1i have a windows computer, i'm just gonna try and install rockbox on it with that comp
23:06:16ritalinracestoapril1: i found it to be easier
23:06:16tucozracestoapril1, why not linux?
23:06:19racestoapril1thanks for all of your help everyone! i'm gonna try and get it to work
23:06:22ritalinbut i was on freebsd
23:06:27racestoapril1i'm just confused about too much stuff
23:06:30ritalinand it wouldnt show some partions right
23:06:46tucozracestoapril1, ubuntu is what I use. :)
23:06:53racestoapril1i think the windows install might be a little easier, i'm new to linux
23:07:01racestoapril1tucoz: same here, but i have 5.04
23:07:10racestoapril1and it'll be a while until i can upgrade
23:07:15peturXavierGr: somebody (xantus) mixed in another bugreport and caused confusion, so now I wonder what bug has been fixed
23:07:15tucozracestoapril1, oh. You should update to dapper
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23:07:48racestoapril1i want to, i just haven't had time to DL the updates
23:08:32tucozI see. good luck with the windows install anyway :)
23:08:53racestoapril1i'll be on if i have any trouble with the install
23:09:00racestoapril1thanks everyone :)
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23:13:45RaeNyeHey, I didn't manage to recommend colinux to him :(
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23:14:23*RaeNye needs to spend *even more* time on IRC
23:15:09*petur still hasn't colinux working... networking troubles
23:15:29peturnot that I've tried much lately
23:17:49RaeNyeI'm using pcap-bridge. It gets blocked by my firewall, though, so I have to stay defenseless while running linux (ah, the irony)
23:17:56sharpei need to think of something.
23:19:03RaeNyeAnd I saw there's some preconfigured debian-based packaging of colinux with xming and esd called AndLinux (google it)
23:22:01peturRTFW (w = wiki)
23:22:17sharpeit just makes me sad...
23:22:53tucozthat was funny
23:23:12RaeNyemoreover, RTFW before you flash RB and void your warranty
23:23:18weyertoo bad the mini's don't have colorscreens... otherwise i'd be able to play doom ;-)
23:23:52weyer(also, no problems with "hidious" blue screens)
23:24:19sharpeno, it's hiddious, get it right. :)
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23:24:32NYChey question, any pics/videos of the rockbox running on a nano?
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23:27:13weyeri did have a feeling that rockbox uses more battery... is that possible?
23:27:16sharpewho's going to be the first to reply to that post?
23:27:25sharpeyes, it's true.
23:27:34sharpeonly for the ipods though...
23:27:49weyertoo bad...
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23:27:56sharpeon the other players, it actually increases battery life on many of them...
23:28:24tucozNYC, videos of rockbox. (not on nano though)
23:28:58SomeoneHello, I am currently trying to get RockBox installed on my iPod, however, on the .exe installer, there is no option for "ipod", should I be using that installer or is there some other one? - Thanks
23:29:57SomeoneThank you Quarryman;
23:31:05 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
23:31:15sharpeyou know, i should actually get around to making the Installer for rockbox, with a nice interface...
23:32:45SomeoneI do appologize for comming directly into the IRC, I was following the instructions posted on a blog ( and apparently he linked to the non-ipod installer
23:32:51SomeoneThank you again for your help;
23:33:36Quarrymansharpe: I've considered doing that myself..
23:34:31linuxstbritalin: Looks like your AAC file is a raw AAC stream. Rockbox (and maybe the other apps you've tried) need AAC streams to be in an MPEG-4 container (.mp4 or .mpa extension).
23:36:04NYCyeah make an installer :)
23:36:12sharpeQuarryman: yeh, i've just procrastinated on it for like, a few months
23:36:53sharpewell, pick a tense...
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23:40:11weyeruhm, there's a wps upload guide in the wiki, with reference to "attach" links etc... but i don't find those buttons :-) am i at the wrong place?
23:40:40Aegeonanyone here have rockbox running on their ipod?
23:40:50QuarrymanI do
23:40:57Aegeoni'm thinking of trying it, but i just want to check on the stability of it first
23:41:12AegeonQuarryman, should i dual boot it or go full out rock box?
23:41:29QuarrymanAegeon: I'd say dual boot
23:41:54Aegeonhave you had any problems with it?
23:42:36ritalinlinuxstb: ahh yeah
23:42:39ritalinty again!
23:42:41BHSPitMonkeyI haven't even heard of people completely removing the apple firmware.
23:42:56BHSPitMonkeyit's pretty much always dual-boot, Aegeon (or even triple)
23:43:51Aegeonhows the battery life on it while running rockbox?
23:44:01Aegeoncause with ipodlinux its horrible :\
23:44:43weyerit uses more battery than apple firmware, but i find it acceptable
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