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#rockbox log for 2006-06-05

00:01:25 Part tucoz ("Leaving")
00:06:45sharpewhat options would be good to include in an installer?
00:06:59sharpewow, how vague can that get...
00:07:15 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (")
00:08:16Aghastersharpe: you wanna code an installer for rockbox?
00:08:33sharpeyeh, nothing better to do. ;)
00:08:35 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:10:48sharpecan't work on any plugins, as i don't have anything to do with them. er, develop them.
00:11:09bluebrotherI was thinking about a web installer.
00:11:40bluebrothersome small wizard which would download the latest stable / daily / cvs and updating the files on the dap itself.
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00:12:16bluebrotherlike, you have an updater.exe in the root of your player and when you want to update simply run it.
00:12:32sharpeit wouldn't be a web installer then... :D
00:12:47haykurohello, i have iPL installed with Loader 2.4 and i tried putting rockbox onto my ipod but it doenst load. it isnt a loader error (i just confirmed this with the creator of the loader with a debug).
00:12:49bluebrotherit asks about which version to install, about installing plugins or not ...
00:12:52bluebrotherand so on ;-)
00:13:10Aghasterguys, i think the 29th language for rockbox will be ready tonight
00:13:23bluebrotherwhich language would this be?
00:13:25haykurothe loader automaticly detects that rockbox is present (i extracted rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox directory to my ipod but it doesnt load)
00:13:48 Quit NYC ("ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)")
00:14:03sharpehaykuro: does the bootloader give any error?
00:14:17haykuroi debugged the loading session
00:14:20haykuronow error given
00:14:46haykuroit detects its the rockbox for nano, it detects everything fine
00:14:49haykurothen once it reaches the point
00:15:10haykurowhere it shows the rockbox gui it doesnt load it hangs
00:16:16RaeNyeare there actual people who prefer speaking Esperanto?
00:16:37RaeNyeEsperantia natives? ;-)
00:16:55sharpeesperanto doesn't belong to a country...
00:17:18*RaeNye knew that
00:17:19Aghasteri prefer to have my ipod in Esperanto
00:17:22Aghastermarkun does too
00:17:24haykuroany idea?
00:17:30Aghasterhe's waiting for my translation
00:18:05sharpebluebrother: want me to write the updater? :D
00:18:05RaeNyewhy would you *know* esperanto?
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00:18:39AghasterFor the simple reason that I learned it and speak it on a regular base?
00:18:48sharpehaykuro: i can't think of what would be wrong with it.
00:19:01haykurookay, thank you
00:19:09 Part haykuro
00:19:14RaeNyehmm. where are you from?
00:19:30AghasterEsperanto doesn't belong to any country
00:20:10RaeNyeI know, i know. Zamenhoff invented it some 100 years ago
00:20:19sharpelets see... install, update, uninstall, what else?
00:20:34AghasterLudovic Zamenhof, in 1887, in Varsovia
00:20:56obosharpe: grab the manual as well?
00:21:07bluebrothersharpe, if you're bored otherwise ... ;-)
00:21:25sharpeanyone have any objections to c#?
00:21:37AghasterYes, me.
00:21:42AghasterWhy not C++?
00:21:49bluebrotherIt was just an idea I had, so I guess I could make a nice programming exercise for me. But this shouldn't stop you from doing so.
00:21:50sharpei don't do c++ ?
00:21:56AghasterYou wanna code an installer?
00:22:05Aghasterwhy not code it in Qt?
00:22:22bluebrotherI was thinking of c++ with qt −− avaliable on windows, linux and macos :)
00:22:30oboCassandra was working on one using WxWidgets
00:22:34Aghasteryeah, that's what i was about to suggest
00:22:49AghasterI've been on wxwidgets for long, but Qt seems superior
00:22:51sharpei was thinking the gnu implementation of it
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00:22:55AghasterI've tried some Qt
00:23:08bluebrotherah. I wanted to ask about that for quite some time, but ...
00:23:10AghasterI own the wxwidgets book
00:23:12bluebrothernever mind.
00:23:20Aghasterbut won't really use it again
00:23:25bluebrothernever used wxwidget, but I want to lern qt.
00:23:40bluebrotherwhich was the cause for my idea ;-)
00:23:43Aghasteryeah, good idea
00:23:49Aghasteri was impression by the Qt designer
00:23:57Aghasterit made me code 100x faster
00:24:11_spanner_Forgive me if this gets asked a lot, or is a sore topic: I was thinking of buying an iaudio x5 (I have a large vorbis collection) but recently ipod video + rockbox is looking attractive. Any recommendations either way?
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00:25:02RaeNyeaghaster: Varsovia=Warsaw?
00:26:08sharpelets see... what about, pike?
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00:27:18Aghasteris warsaw in polland?
00:27:24_spanner_(Specifically thinking about battery life?)
00:27:55Aghasterspanner: battery life will be significantly less with rockbox
00:29:06_spanner_Aghaster: annoyingly so? And is that true of rockbox on all platforms, or just ipod at the moment?
00:29:58sharpeipods, really.
00:30:03RaeNyeWarsaw is the capital of Poland, yeah
00:30:08sharpemany other players have longer battery life with rockbox.
00:30:13Aghasterthen yeah, thats the good city
00:30:59_spanner_Also in terms of dicking about with the code: can you easily get compilers for both ipod & x5? (I don't even know what chips they use...)
00:31:32Aghasteron linux its very easy
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00:31:39_spanner_oh, cool
00:31:40BHSPitMonkeythe cross compilers are available as cygwin packages
00:31:41Aghasterotherwise if you're on windows you'll use linux tools
00:31:45BHSPitMonkeyso on windows it's very easy too :)
00:31:53_spanner_can gcc compile to both? :)
00:32:03BHSPitMonkeyarm-elf-gcc for the ipod
00:32:22Aghasterthere is a script for linux that download and install the toolchains automatically
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00:35:16RaeNye(not that crossdev on gentoo leaves much room for mistakes)
00:35:20_spanner_Great... I'm leaning toward the ipod mainly for the nicer screen. Who knows, maybe I could turn a hand to the code too. Thanks. Can't wait to get rockbox installed (just waiting for insurance cheque for lost H340 :( )
00:35:49Mikachuit's pretty much 5 commands to install the tool chain manually...
00:36:30RaeNyeI'm sure you could get it to one long line with pipes if you try :)
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00:36:53_spanner_is the toolchain fairly self-contained? I use gcc 4.1 fairly heavily on the rest of my system & wouldn't want too much conflict...?
00:37:13Mikachuyes, you can install it in ~/rockbox.gcc if you want
00:37:13BHSPitMonkeyno conflict
00:37:15bluebrotheryou can install it alongside with your existing toolchain.
00:37:39BHSPitMonkeyarm-elf-gcc is a separate package from gcc, and etc etc
00:37:52BHSPitMonkeyI have two different versions of arm-elf-gcc side by side
00:37:52bluebrotherI've installed arm-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc system wide to /usr/local, no problems at all.
00:38:27ritalinrockbox do movies yet?
00:38:42_spanner_That's nice! Someone's obviously gone to great lengths to make it easy. Thanks!
00:39:06*ritalin kinda liked the novelty of having a pornPod
00:39:51_spanner_Doesn't the apple firmware do h264? or did I just make that up?
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00:42:28m0nk_hey guys
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00:47:49Aghasterhi m0nk
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00:51:28m0nk_hi aghaster...sorry i was n00bing out
00:51:50m0nk_watching my cousin play halo....whats up?
00:52:16AghasterI'm almost finished translating rockbox to esperanto
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00:52:39m0nk_im curious as to how devel is goin on the gigabeat:(
00:52:52m0nk_i was in the gigabeat room but it seemed dead in there i guess the people are busy
00:53:03m0nk_do you have any clue?
00:53:06Aghasteri dont know
00:53:20AghasterI don't know anything about the gigabeat
00:53:25Aghasteri have an ipod :P
00:53:31m0nk_damn o well....good for you though
00:53:39m0nk_ewwwwwww!!!!111111 IPOD
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00:53:46m0nk_lol just just playin
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00:54:49m0nk_im not a fan of ipod.....or apple for that matter or microsoft
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00:56:02AghasterYeah, well, I wasn't too much sensible to DRM when i bought my ipod
00:56:14Aghasteri was a bit manipulated by Apple's publicity
00:56:21Aghasterand thought i needed an ipod in order to be cool
00:56:35m0nk_lol a few years ago i would've bought an ipod because they were cool
00:56:50m0nk_now i see them as overpriced BS
00:57:02Aghastermy next player probably won't be an ipod
00:57:08Aghasterbut another model rockbox runs on
00:57:18Aghasterwith better battery life XD
00:57:29m0nk_im waitin for rock box for my gigabeat.....i get 16 hours of battery as is
00:57:34Aghasterwell, ipod's hardware isn't bad
00:57:46Aghasteri like the click wheel
00:58:03Aghasterwhat's the gigabeat, btw?
00:58:05m0nk_ahh i like that too, but its not something that would make me
00:58:07Aghasterwhat are its specs?
00:58:14m0nk_o i will ook them up
00:58:28m0nk_the gigabeat is an mp3 player made by toshiba.....let me get some specs
00:58:42Aghasteruh, toshiba? dad got it for me....the stuff toshiba makes can take a total ass kicking
01:00:24Aghasterwhat's so ass kicking about it?
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01:01:27m0nk_lol laptop held up for a year *in my hands* its about prolly 8 years old
01:01:46m0nk_and i've beaten the shit out of dells....and all other laptop brands
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01:02:36m0nk_...and i would take my laptop to school in my bookbag*not padded btw*
01:02:52m0nk_and i got slammed into a few walls one day while ruffing up my friend
01:02:59m0nk_...worked just fine when needed
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01:03:42 Part racestoapril1
01:04:36Galoisthe ipod nano pretty ass kicking too you know
01:05:08m0nk_i dont have hardware specs to back myself yet....gimmie a second
01:06:02m0nk_damn lol
01:06:02GaloisIn a final act of desperation, we decided to expose the iPod to a catastrophic event that would certainly destroy it. Lacking a really high place to drop the nano from, we decided the throw the nano as high as we could, say 40 feet into the air, and let it land−−hard−−on the concrete.
01:06:46m0nk_id try and prove my gigabeat could withstand that.....but i would be scared to....
01:06:54m0nk_too precious....too expensive lol
01:07:18PhobiacI can believe it, the Nano is packed tight enough that it's insides wouldn't move enough to cause much damge.
01:07:47m0nk_well, also figure in that the nano doesnt use a hard drive
01:07:48PhobiacI heard they are easy to snap in half though, although I'd rather not test it with mine to find out.
01:08:05m0nk_hard drives break EASY
01:08:28Galoisthe whole reason I got it was because it doesn't have a hard drive
01:08:35Galoiswell, and that it runs rockbox
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01:11:04m0nk_i've seen screenshots of rock box...i like it
01:12:37*ritalin has a pretty rockbox
01:12:47gursikhRockbox is the best. (period)
01:13:07ritalinexcept on battery
01:13:11ritalinand ipod video :P
01:13:49gursikhI disagree. on all targets it has been released on (and the h1xx which is very close to release) it's the best.
01:15:16RaeNyeImprobable feature req #3: patch OF to incorporate "Reboot to Rockbox" in the menu
01:15:33gursikhritalin: Re: battery. I get MORE battery life with Rockbox than stock on my H120.
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01:17:49RoC_MMI get more features than stock on my 4G grey iPod.
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01:18:11m0nk_*dies* must kill cousin in halo
01:18:12*RaeNye snaps his finger
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01:18:13RoC_MMAnd since I don't use the stock firmware and never was, stock potential battery life is unknown and irrelevant to me.
01:18:17 Quit RaeNye ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)")
01:18:39BHSPitMonkeythen how do you know you get more features than stock?
01:18:40RoC_MMthe 2 year old ipod could use a new or new and better battery, but between 5-6 hours is fine for me.
01:18:59RoC_MMI just know
01:19:11gursikhI get around 18.5-19.2 hours using RB and only about 15.5-16 on stock (h120)
01:19:17BHSPitMonkeywell, I'm still waiting for that status on the 5G
01:19:18RoC_MMRockbox gives me this warm fuzzy feeling, and I know I wasn't getting that stock.
01:19:26BHSPitMonkeyso until then, it's apple os for me..
01:19:32gursikhlol RoC_MM
01:20:21RoC_MM4g grey now has a battery indicator...before it wasn't working in rockbox like 3 months ago...I see progress and improvement...
01:20:25PhobiacMy nano's battery life has gone done, but that's most likely because I use it a lot more since putting Rockbox on it.
01:20:27RoC_MMthe stock firmware still can't play VBR mp3's.
01:20:48BHSPitMonkeywhen rockbox gets to playing my mp4's, I'll dive right in
01:20:53RoC_MM5G video works for my brother with Rockbox...he runs it full-time.
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01:22:13RoC_MMI'll definately avoid mp4's...I know those don't work underwater.
01:22:21RoC_MMAll my music is either mp3 or ogg (now)
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01:22:26gursikh"fo' sho' "
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01:46:12Aghasterhours and hours of work later
01:46:31webguest18hey, if i install rockbox, am i able to multiboot between Apple OS, Disk mode and Rockbox?
01:46:52midkaynot with a menu..
01:46:58midkaybut you can access all three, yes.
01:47:26webguest18i see. Is it difficult to switch between them?
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01:47:43Galoisyou have to turn the thing off and back on to switch
01:47:57webguest18oh ok
01:48:01midkayyes. you hold MENU just after turning it on to reach the apple OS..
01:48:02earHertzis it me, or is installing slackware a pain in teh ass?
01:48:13midkayand select+play for disk mode. or you can just connect USB within rockbox and you'll move to disk mode automatically.
01:48:13webguest18thank you
01:48:25Mikachuinstalling it is not as hard as keeping it up to date
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01:49:26earHertzOh, you've got to be kidding. Debian and Ubuntu both install easily from teh cd and put my in an X-session. Slackware installs from a cd but still thinks the flopy is teh boot drive
01:50:03earHertzand I had to use fdisk, etc.
01:50:07*Galois whacks earHertz around a bit with a gentoo stage 1 install
01:50:27earHertzone thing I like about slackware is that it installs just about everything if I tell it to'
01:51:44earHertzwhat distro is easy to install, but also installs teh whole frigging kitchen sink too?
01:53:57Aghasterdefine "teh frigging kitchen sink"?
01:54:08*Aghaster loves gentoo
01:55:03earHertzAghaster: gcc, make, cvs, subversion −− all dev tools. and samba
01:55:58Aghasterbah, you emerge them?
01:57:30earHertzAghaster: what, I should compile them from source?
01:57:48Aghastergentoo compiles everything from source
01:58:16earHertzAghaster: amd this will benefit me how much? I'm running the dasmned thing in vmware
01:58:48earHertzwhat about kubuntu? easy to install, kde, lots of packages on install?
01:58:50AghasterearHertz: Removing your windows system will benefit far more
01:59:00Aghastererrr, kubuntu
01:59:10Aghastergo debian instead if you're about to do that?
01:59:17earHertzAghaster: yeah, and I'll vote libertarian (or green party) and wonder how Bush beats Gore
01:59:20Galoisubuntu is better though
01:59:48Aghasterhum. you're speaking to someone kinda hippie, ya know
02:00:03earHertzAghaster: good for you. ;)
02:00:08Galoisdebian releases once every three years. ubuntu releases once every six months. winnar: ubuntu.
02:00:12earHertzbut I'm tryig to get a result, niot remain pure. ;)
02:00:23AghasterGalois: Simply use debian testing...
02:00:38earHertzGalois: and kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde instead of gnome?
02:00:46Aghasterthats it
02:00:49Galoisthe idea that a normal user should avoid the stable distribution is just morally wrong
02:01:13AghasterI don't consider myself a normal user
02:01:21earHertzjesus. I've installed debian, ubuntu, not slackware.
02:01:27earHertzFourth try is the charm?
02:01:28Aghastertry gentoo!
02:01:43Galoiswhat in the world is wrong with redhat?
02:01:51AghasterIf you think you can't fall in love with a distro, you will change your mind after installing gentoo (as native)
02:02:05AghasterGalois: Its a commercial distro. it uses rpm. let it die
02:02:24Mikachudistro wars on irc = not good idea
02:02:31Aegeongentoo is nice
02:02:38Aegeonbut the hassle isnt worth the speed enhancement
02:02:51AghasterBah, i don't use it full speed you know
02:03:02Aghasteri just prefer how i can easily customize it
02:03:17Aegeonthats probably the nicest thing about it
02:03:29Aghasteri run 32bit on my amd64 processor
02:03:45Aghasterbut i run gentoo because its very easy to customize
02:03:51Galoisgentoo doesn't scale. It's great for one machine. I have more than one machine. Yes you can force gentoo into this scenario but by the time you're done you've done more work than with the other alternatives.
02:04:13AghasterGalois: Installing gentoo is an adventure in itself
02:04:31AghasterDon't take it as a work, take it as an adventure :P
02:04:45GaloisI have a machine upstairs with 10 distros installed. That machine is not used for work.
02:05:04Aghaster10 distros?
02:05:13Aghasterwhy would you need _10_ distros?
02:05:22GaloisDon't take it as a work, take it as an adventure :P
02:05:28Aghasterwell said
02:05:49Galoisfor work, I use redhat. You know, the $2499 per year per machine redhat.
02:08:13earHertzok, I just deleted that slacdkware. yes, it was an adventure, no, I'm done with it
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02:11:48tgcondorany ideas why rockbox would appear hanged on 'scanning disk' at boot time?
02:12:01tgcondorthis is on iPod mini 2G
02:12:25tgcondori tried looking for info on .. no luck
02:13:06AghasterAnybody with CVS write access around?
02:13:20AghasterI have my esperanto language file ready for cvs commit :)
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02:19:22Aghastersalut sinbios
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02:21:07Aghasterany dev around?
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02:21:47tgcondorargh .. trying to reboot rockbox, it went off and now my ipod wouldn't turn back on :O(
02:22:12Mikachuare you pressing MENU?
02:22:33tgcondorMikachu: and MENU too
02:23:12tgcondorand no it's not on HOLD
02:23:15Mikachutry holding menu+select for a few seconds
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02:23:29AghasterMikachu: Do you have cvs write access?
02:23:54AghasterI'm waiting for a dev to come out
02:23:56tgcondorMikachu: thanks, that rebooted it. now back to the 'scanning disk' mode
02:23:58Aghasteri finished my esperanto translation
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02:24:40orthogonalanyone seen earHertz?
02:24:57Aghasterlast time he spoke, it was 16min ago
02:25:10orthogonalwhere is he? Fucker owes me money
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02:26:15orthogonalgod, i hadn't watched MTV in years. it really sucks, doesn't it?
02:26:50ashridahthe only good thing i ever saw come out of MTV was daria
02:27:19earHertzyeah, daria was good. I rtried to date this lawyer once who was way too daria-influenced, though
02:28:56tgcondorhumm .. problem fixed by opening iTunes, disabling auto-update and auto-launch iTunes, and rebooting the iPod.
02:29:31earHertzoh, is there any wat to tell itunes i don't want autorun on my cd-rom? it keeps turning it on
02:30:03tgcondorearHertz: should be in the settings .. i just disabled it for iPod
02:30:20earHertzI looked, couldn't find it.
02:31:01tgcondorearHertz: what OS?
02:31:04Aghaster...nobody with cvs write access around?
02:31:21tgcondorAghaster: why not just email the dev team?
02:31:41Aghasterhum, its an idea
02:32:07tgcondorAghaster: got their email?
02:32:20Aghasteri'll rejoin the dev mailing list
02:32:38earHertztgcondor: windows
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02:40:55tgcondorearHertz: it should be in the control panel somewhere
02:41:34earHertzAghaster: how do I get better looking fonts in linux?
02:41:37Aghasteruh, anybody in #ipodlinux? the people there are mean
02:41:49earHertzAghaster: how so?
02:41:50AghasterearHertz: in which graphical environment?
02:41:56earHertzAghaster: kde
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02:42:14AghasterearHertz: I've been asking there if someone made an esperanto translation, and there's that guy that began to insult me
02:42:28earHertzAghaster: don't take it personally.
02:42:42AghasterI know, but i still can't make sure its not translated to Esperanto
02:42:54earHertzAghaster: I know you're into esperanto, but it's like waving a red flag a at bull.
02:43:26earHertzI mean, people just start thinking of when triuph the insult comic dofg visited teh start wars convention
02:44:31AghasterDoes anybody here runs ipodlinux?
02:44:35earHertzAghaster: oh, ok.
02:44:50earHertzAghaster: I don;t run it, but I've been looking at some of their code
02:44:53Aghasteror has a way to know if it has been translated to esperanto so i can make sure i'm the only one with an esperanto ipod?
02:46:02AghasterearHertz, where would the language files be located?
02:46:22earHertzAghaster: I'm guessing wherever linux usually puts them
02:46:36Aghasterlol, earHertz, you came in as that guy was kicked
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02:48:42earHertzok, how do I restart X having chaged window manahgers?
02:51:43dongsi received a mp3.
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02:52:32earHertzJdGordon: thabnks
02:55:04*midkay needs votes:
02:56:09midkayhaha. damn.
02:56:17midkayalready like 6 people swarming the thread. :)
02:56:25Mikachui don't like the v2 ones
02:56:34midkayvotepls ;)
02:56:41Mikachuno account
02:56:43JdGordonv3 or current..
02:57:26midkaythanks all :)
02:57:52JdGordoncan u add some sort of level generator? coz im sick of playing the same levels :p
02:58:07midkayJdGordon, haha.
02:58:11Mikachuor loading levels from data files
02:58:55XavierGrmidkay sorry man but I still prefer the CVS ones
02:59:19midkayXavierGr, np, i don't want votes for mine, i want votes for what people like. :) can i ask why/how mine could be improved?
03:00:04tgcondoris there a known problem with rockbox and non-latin chars?
03:00:16tgcondorespecially in ID3 tags?
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03:05:35XavierGrmidkay I like the shiny effect on the CVS images
03:07:43ritalinshiny is good
03:08:06midkayodd-left-to-right highlights look rather weird to me.. *shrugs*
03:08:25midkayshiny i have absolutely nothing against, in fact i like shiny.. but the CVS bitmaps' approach to shiny is not quite my style.
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03:10:36XavierGrbloody adsl
03:12:18midkayXavierGr, punishment for your vote :)
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03:21:09b00st4any ipod user here?
03:21:27Aghaster4th gen color ipod
03:21:41Aghasteranybody with cvs write access around?
03:22:20AghasterI finished my esperanto translation
03:22:23Aghastercan you commit it for me?
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03:23:02midkaywelcome back :)
03:23:07Aghastermeh, xchat crashed
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03:23:18sharpei think it crashed again!
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03:23:36Aghastercrashes everytime i want to send a file
03:23:38midkaywhy, Aghaster?
03:23:42midkayemail maybe?
03:23:42Aghasterdo you have an email?
03:23:43sharpewhy not just email/
03:23:45b00st4im wonderin if theres any possibility to get itrip workin now
03:23:49midkaythis nick at gmail..
03:24:01midkayAghaster, so it's tested+working fine?
03:24:09midkaycool. :)
03:24:10Aghastercurrently running on my ipod
03:24:19midkayare you already credited?
03:24:20Aghasteri did the update to make sure it was up to date toio
03:24:31erichWhat effect does album art have for power usage? Does album art require additional spinups, or just decrease the buffer size?
03:24:36midkayyes, contributors are put in the credits..
03:24:41Aghasterno, i'm not
03:24:45Aghastercan you add me ? :P
03:24:54midkayyes, i'm sorta required to :) need a full name
03:25:02AghasterMarc-Andr├ę Moreau
03:25:06b00st4now one got any experiances wir itrip?
03:25:17midkaycool, k..
03:25:22Aghaster(the letter at the end of my first name is an e with an accent...)
03:25:28midkayi see it :)
03:25:57Aghasterdo you need both .lang and .lng files?
03:26:16Aghasteri guess so
03:26:23midkayjust .lang
03:27:11b00st4hey, no one can help me?
03:27:32AghasterYou know what? This makes me the one with the first ipod in Esperanto in the world
03:27:33b00st4dont wanna degrade to apple firmaware again...
03:27:49Aghasterb00st4: just ask, what's your problem?
03:28:05b00st4[03:40] <b00st4> im wonderin if theres any possibility to get itrip workin now
03:28:13midkayooh, and you even included a "FREE pop up blocking with the new MSN toolbar" offer! how generous, thx! :D
03:28:45Mikachua strange function to offer with a toolbar...
03:29:41Aghastersorry, i use hotmail
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03:29:51b00st4u know whats goin on wit itrip?
03:30:28midkayb00st4, hm? no, nothing really..
03:30:33midkayAghaster, just kidding :)
03:30:55midkaylet's see if i can remember this now. :)
03:31:01Aghaster O_O WOW. i gotta try this right awat
03:31:52b00st4im goin to holidays tomorrow, need itrip, is there noone who can help me??▀
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03:34:27midkayAghaster, k, it's in cvs (i hope, if i did that cvs add right) :)
03:35:03Aghasterhow long does it take before it appears on cvs activity?
03:35:23midkayjust maybe 10 minutes..
03:35:47MikachuAghaster: when the build is complete (
03:35:56midkayyou can see it on the CVS builds page right away (the currently-building one)
03:36:16midkayMikachu, i've found that it only appears on the front page a few minutes after the build finishes..
03:36:21midkaycould be wrong, though.
03:36:36*Aghaster frenetically presses refresh
03:37:21Mikachuthink of their poor 2mbit connection
03:39:02Aghaster:( that incredible wad file doesn't work on my ipod
03:40:56Aghaster:'( it looked so awesome
03:42:10midkayi'll try it..
03:42:25Aghasteri'm on a 4th gen color ipod
03:42:34*midkay has a 5G
03:42:39Aghastermaybe it was designed for 5G?
03:44:13Aghasterhum... while it loads, there is a warning
03:44:17midkayit's running on a nano in the picture and the video..
03:44:19Aghasterit says it cannot file with the shareware
03:44:28Genre9mp3hmmm...It works for my H340...
03:44:33midkaymaybe you need to run it with doom.wad instead of the shareware wad.
03:44:44Aghasterhum. do you know where i can find it?
03:44:55AghasterI'm about to die in front of such a hot feature XD
03:45:15Aghaster"hey guys look at my ipod that runs CS 1.6..."
03:45:22Mikachumaybe it works with that freedoom wad
03:45:42Aghasterwoot, my translation appears in the cvs :P
03:47:19midkayyay. :)
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03:48:31AghasterNow i'll take pictures of my ipod and write an article about it XD
03:48:40Aghaster"unua ipodo en esperanto en la tuta mondo"
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03:53:06Aghasterbtw, CS works with freedoom
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04:19:51b00st4hey, doom already works on ipod 5g?
04:20:25MirrorImageNot on mine.
04:23:23Paul_The_NerdIt should work, I believe
04:24:21MirrorImageI get some error message.
04:24:29MirrorImageI could fix it, but I am too tired tonight
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04:25:38Paul_The_NerdAh, so your "It doesn't work on mine" was rather misleading. Is it "No base wads found" or something like that?
04:26:06Paul_The_NerdYeah, you didn't read the instructions for it then, is all.
04:26:24MirrorImageWell. I'm still to tired to fix it :P
04:26:39b00st4any link paul?
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04:26:56b00st4 got that
04:26:58Paul_The_NerdEvery plugin has a PluginBlah page in the wiki
04:27:29JdGordon.. well they should.. some dont have wiki docs
04:28:19Paul_The_NerdThere are official plugins lacking them?
04:28:58JdGordonye, a fair few
04:29:07JdGordonthe ones with the /!\ logo
04:30:43Paul_The_NerdDidn't the dictionary used to have one?
04:31:05JdGordonno idea
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04:53:13Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yes?
04:53:33midkayPaul_The_Nerd, you suggested in the bitmaps poll-thread that the vote be changed. i can't do that. can you?
04:53:58Paul_The_NerdI changed it so that users can change their own vote.
04:54:05midkayoh. thanks.
04:54:29sharpei'm bored...
04:54:30*midkay sighs with semi-frustration over the whole situation
04:54:42sharpei'm writing a pike script with a gui to install rockbox on ipods...
04:55:05Paul_The_NerdI just had to use IE. To download and install Microsoft Visual Studio 6. Because a class requires assignments be turned in as projects for that beast.
04:55:13sharpebecause, god knows we don't have enough installers. :D
04:55:37Paul_The_NerdWell, we need one definitive installer.
04:55:45sharpewould a script be okay? :)
04:56:13sharpeer, pike.
04:57:23Paul_The_NerdI dunno what pike is.
04:57:32Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I liked the lighter ones too. They looked much cleaner to me
04:57:49sharpescripting-like language with c syntax; available on windows, linux, etc.
04:57:50midkayPaul_The_Nerd, they were my faves, yeah.. sigh.. i just .. :\
04:57:54midkayslightly frustrating.
04:58:13Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Being scripting, does it require people to have an interpreter, or does it create standalone thingies?
04:58:34sharpenay, it requires an interpreter, i must confess.
04:58:38midkayi don't wanna commit something that some or many people won't really like. unfortunately the lighter ones have the fewest votes on the second poll.
04:58:48sharpei like the lighter ones...
04:58:56midkayi could simply take the bitmaps from the second poll, give them an in-betweenish brightness, and commit those.
04:59:17sharpewhat about an option to switch between the two? :D
04:59:25midkaye.g. slightly lighter than [exactly in-between the light and dark versions]
05:01:43sharpeso paul, would that be a negative on the pike script, as it wouldn't be standalone?
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05:04:48Paul_The_NerdIt wouldn't be likely to get picked
05:04:59sharpeindeed, i'm just bored. :)
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05:14:06Paul_The_NerdAnd now due to poorly designed installers, I will not be able to do my homework.
05:14:27sharpewhat about using gtk+ for the ui?
05:16:17*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
05:16:50Paul_The_NerdIt's not really my call anyway. I just know ideally you should be able to download the installer, run it without any prerequisites, and have Rockbox on your iPod
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06:00:19scorche`long time no see
06:00:20sharpehey scorche
06:00:55shrimantswould anyone care to help me? i cant get rockbox to play anything
06:01:30sharpeso, is that the only problem?
06:01:36shrimantsyes, pretty much
06:01:46sharpehas rockbox ever played?
06:01:48shrimantsi used an automatic windows installer
06:02:01shrimantsand then i put on the updated CVS build
06:02:05scorche`by not playing, do you mean no sound coming out, or not doing anything
06:02:11shrimantsnot doing anything
06:02:19shrimantsi got ipod video
06:02:21sharpedo you get an error message?
06:02:23shrimantsand windows
06:02:28shrimantsit doesnt detect anything
06:02:33shrimantscorrect me if im wrong
06:02:35sharpeso the bootloader just hangs?
06:02:56shrimantsno, i installed Loader2, installed rockbox, started it up just fine
06:02:56tgcondorshrimants: what do you see, what do you press, and what happens when you press it?
06:03:09sharpewait, so rockbox starts fine?
06:03:19shrimantsyes, it works perfectly
06:03:31shrimantsother than the playing music/ finding it part
06:03:44shrimantsafter i get it running, i ran the tagcache update
06:03:53shrimantsand it ran for about 4-5 minutes, and then stopped
06:04:10shrimantsand after that, im either confused on what to do, or it just didnt do what it was supposed to
06:04:15shrimantsthe manual wasnt all that clear
06:04:22shrimantswill try that
06:04:29sharpeand then, you'll probably get a codec error
06:04:34shrimantsim using mp3
06:04:35sharpethen you'll have to reboot it again
06:04:45sharpeit's a known issue
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06:05:02shrimantsand do u recommend the normal bootloader or Loader2?
06:05:35sharpei don't use ipodlinux, so i can't really give advice to the ipl bootloader.
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06:06:12sharpebut you should be fine using loader2.
06:07:29sharpeugh, i'm going to head to sleep. goodnight everyone.
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06:12:17Myk3can someone explain what are the added features of useing rockbox?
06:12:45midkayno, but you can check the "why choose rockbox" link on the front page..
06:12:52midkayor read the manual.. or check the wiki..
06:14:01Myk3will i still be able to watch vids on a iaudio?
06:14:13lancelottif you dualboot
06:14:32lancelotttheres a dualboot fw where you can boot rockbox w/ a short on and official with a long on
06:14:49Myk3o ok
06:17:14Presenceanyone do "Defcon" in las vegas?
06:18:08*scorche` raises his hand
06:18:32scorche`midkay: 99 > 100
06:18:57scorche`i spent days on 99
06:19:02scorche`100 i got first try
06:19:10midkayum. hm.
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07:46:54RancidLMhey all, if some ones around can i have some support with getting rockbox installed on my nano plz
07:48:13Paul_The_NerdWhat problem are you having?
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07:49:05RancidLMinstalling it via linux and some general questions..
07:50:00RancidLMif i have my ipod mounted can i make a backup like cat /dev/sda > ~ipod.img so i don't brick my ipod?
07:50:28RancidLMi wanna try rockbox but i really don't wanna turn the nano into a paperweight :S
07:50:38RibsRancidLM: You won't brick your ipod... the apple firmware always remains and can't be removed
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07:51:02RibsRancidLM: the worst case is that you'll delete everything, and the ipod will start again as if it was first use.
07:51:04Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: The dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin is all the backup you need if you don't mind copying over the music again
07:51:11RancidLMeven if the partitions get corrupt? or something?
07:51:47Paul_The_NerdIf you have 1/2/4gigs of space and feel like doing a full backup, of course the idea you suggested will work, but it's not really necessary.
07:51:58RancidLMok also i heard a little rumor.. on the rockbox forum about some one who fried his ipod on a post made today.. any one else read it?
07:52:21Paul_The_NerdAre you referring to the person with the Ipod Mini 2G?
07:52:32RancidLMPaul_The_Nerd: ya.. i don't mind the space..ill make a backup dvd for my ipod
07:52:47RancidLMPaul_The_Nerd: ya i think he fried it charging it?
07:52:53Paul_The_NerdThe person with the Mini 2G had modified his Retail Firmware to go into deep sleep after 15 minutes
07:53:05RancidLMoooh ok so thats not a rockbox option
07:53:36Paul_The_NerdSo, when it finished charging, it shut down. Detected inserted power. Tried to boot into Rockbox. Rockbox goes into Apple's Disk Mode when power is connected. Apple's Disk mode detects that it's not a USB connection, and shuts down. It boots up. Goes into Rockbox. So on.
07:54:42RancidLMok.. so since i only use a usb charger i shouldn't have this problem.. correct?
07:54:44Paul_The_NerdThe problem is only possible if you have the wall charger for the iPod.
07:55:01RancidLMaight.. duely noted :)
07:55:49RancidLMsooo ok im making a backup... when im done im gonna install it..if thiers any one around to help with the linux installation process :)
07:56:04Paul_The_NerdAnd his only happened because he was using a modified Apple Firmware too, something Rockbox isn't really set up to deal with the possibility of. It's still in an early enough stage of development that it's still in the "Making things work right" stage. :) Though don't let that discourage you, I use it exclusively on my Nano.
07:56:29*Ribs only uses Rockbox on his 5G video
07:56:31*ritalin is high
07:57:03RancidLMgroovie how about putting tunes on it, i couldn't find on the site if u still use the itunes database or if you just copy the music over like a flash drive
07:57:14ritalinRibs: any work being done on video support?
07:57:14RancidLMim putting mine on a 2gb nano
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07:57:28Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: You can use iTunes if you really REALLY want. But you can also now just use it as a flash drive, like I do.
07:57:35Ribsritalin: not that I'm aware of
07:57:46Ribsnot that I care... video on ipod is a waste of time
07:58:13ritalinits kinda neat for the novelty sake
07:58:39Ribseither way, I won't be using it
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08:00:06Xinuxim putting rockbox on my ipod shuffle!!!1
08:00:18RancidLMPaul_The_Nerd: ok cool how about.. Both? lol
08:00:27RancidLMXinux: lol
08:02:27Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: Well, iTunes does that silly "renaming files to stuff like XFGN" thing, so you can't really browse them in filetree view
08:02:57Paul_The_NerdBut you can use TagCache to index all your music, independently of how you put it on there
08:03:42moda|ASOTis tagcache still laggy as shit on ipods too?
08:04:19RancidLMi got a interesting idea.. have a way to enable itunes DB and igore the itunes dir and use file explorer :D
08:04:33Xinuxwhy does ipod rename it
08:04:41Xinuxmakes no sense
08:04:45moda|ASOTcoz apple are cookoo
08:04:53moda|ASOTfor lack of a better word
08:04:57RancidLMso u can brows itunes play lists and copy tunes and go
08:05:17Xinuxor so they scare away noobies from just using explorer to copy music in
08:05:31Paul_The_Nerdmoda|ASOT: Laggy in what way?
08:05:57moda|ASOTPaul_The_Nerd: on my h300 it would lag like shit browsing with tagcache, music would stop halfway thru, etc etc etc
08:06:11moda|ASOTand i couldnt fast forward or rb would crash
08:06:30Paul_The_NerdWere you using one of the Optimized or Experimental builds?
08:06:38moda|ASOTexperimental yea
08:06:44Paul_The_NerdThat would do it
08:07:03Paul_The_NerdIt'd be nice for you to actually verify your problems exist on an OFFICIAL build before complaining about them
08:07:15moda|ASOTyea, Paul_The_Nerd, but thats long ago...
08:07:36moda|ASOTif i decide to get an ipod 5g, i can decide whether to run rb or not.... hrm
08:07:40RancidLMok my backup is complete.. now to install rockbox some how :D
08:07:59Paul_The_Nerdmoda|ASOT: See, the thing is, it was NEVER "laggy as shit" as you so described it, in the official builds
08:08:07moda|ASOTfair enought Paul_The_Nerd
08:08:15Slasherimoda|ASOT: you can enable dircache and load tagcache to ram if you don't want it to lag at all
08:08:54RancidLMi can't seem to compile the .c file is thier any dependancy's?
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08:09:25SlasheriRancidLM: hmm, what did you try to compile?
08:09:42Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: For ipod_fw? There shouldn't be any I believe.
08:09:49Xinuxipod shuffle is such a waste
08:09:58Xinuxyou can get an mp3 player with a screen, and more storage for less money
08:10:22Paul_The_NerdXinux: Same is true of the Nano
08:10:31Paul_The_NerdYou can get one that plays video, with the same storage, for less money
08:10:37Xinuxnano has a screen, and is flash storage.
08:10:51Xinuxof course
08:10:54Xinuxi dont have the nano
08:10:58Paul_The_NerdAnd you can get a flash based player that plays video, has a nice color screen, and costs $20 less
08:11:06Paul_The_NerdSame capacity
08:11:08RancidLMis it ok to use gcc-3.4 ?
08:11:12Xinux30gb ?
08:11:13Xinuxflash ?
08:11:19Paul_The_NerdXinux: The nano isn't available in 30gb
08:11:21lancelottRancidLM: yeah
08:11:36Paul_The_NerdXinux: I said the same capacity as a Nano.
08:11:46Xinuxi have ipod vid
08:12:22djpirateI don't got time to fuck around.
08:12:39Paul_The_NerdXinux: The video drives me nuts, because they don't offer a model without video at that capacity
08:12:45lancelottI kind of wish I got an ipod video
08:12:49lancelottI have an iaudio x5
08:12:51lancelottbought it for flac/ogg
08:13:03Paul_The_NerdIt'd be nice to have the option to not pay for a feature I won't ever use.
08:13:10Xinuxi use it.
08:13:24Paul_The_NerdThe video is pretty crappy on it, so it's just not worth the extra money
08:13:41Xinuxmust have been a crappy video
08:13:44Xinuxi get very good quality
08:13:54Paul_The_NerdGood compared to what?
08:14:05Xinuxit looks like it does on the tv.........
08:14:06moda|ASOTis there anyway to get ogg for ipod 5g?
08:14:21Paul_The_NerdXinux: Your TV has compression artifacts?
08:14:23RancidLMis dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin the same as cat /dev/sda > backup.img ?
08:14:23djpirateYou make me sick faggot, get lost
08:14:34Xinux........... lmao
08:14:46Xinuxbut im saying, for how small it is, its pretty good
08:14:53Xinuxi dont care about perfect quality
08:15:13Paul_The_NerdIf I have to spend money on it, it should do what it does well.
08:15:35Xinuxand it does...........
08:15:41Xinuxnot perfect.
08:15:43Paul_The_NerdIf I want a portable video player, I'll buy something that was engineered for that purpose, rather than something it was tacked onto so they could pretend like they're innovating.
08:16:20Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: Did you miss the "count=1" part?
08:16:49Paul_The_Nerdmoda|ASOT: You mean, other than Rockboxing it?
08:17:11moda|ASOTPaul_The_Nerd: oh right... rockbox supports ogg.... *slaps head*
08:17:40RancidLMPaul_The_Nerd: no i just did it.. im just backing up every single
08:18:10djpiratethat's not funny
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08:18:18djpirategood riddance
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08:19:23RancidLMOk so iv done all the backing up *gulp* i guess here gues nothing
08:20:11Paul_The_NerdIt's really quite safe.
08:20:12RancidLMok wait .. step 3 kinda confused
08:20:34Paul_The_NerdWhat part of it?
08:21:15RancidLM... i got the bootloader-nano.bin
08:21:26RancidLMits just installing the boot loader and the rest.. i think
08:23:42RancidLM:~/Desktop$ ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin
08:23:42RancidLMCannot open firmware image file apple_os.bin
08:23:50RancidLMi just got that error :S
08:24:02RancidLMi guess its because i don't got apple_os.bin
08:24:27Paul_The_NerdThen you skipped a step
08:24:45Paul_The_NerdSpecifically: Extract the Apple firmware from the bootpartition.bin using the ipod_fw utility that you built above: ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
08:32:08RancidLMok.. so it did something and now im left with a ipod that won't turn on :(
08:32:49RancidLMim in
08:32:54RancidLMi just rebooted it
08:35:37RancidLMsooo.. i installed it .. but it has nothing in play lists.. will it read my itunes?
08:36:09Paul_The_NerdIt won't read your iTunes playlists.
08:36:35Paul_The_NerdIt should right now just show you the contents of your disk (or at least "supported" files)
08:36:59Paul_The_NerdIf you have itunes synced music, you can access the songs more easily using this:
08:37:00RancidLMoh i thought i can read it :(
08:37:41djpirateI don't got time to fuck around.
08:38:01Paul_The_NerdThe playlists?
08:38:07RancidLMok i got it to make a playlist from the database
08:38:08RancidLM :)
08:38:21RancidLMnow to find a way to install the fancy themes from the site :)
08:38:24RancidLMonto the nano
08:38:27djpirateRancidLM say: fagmode on
08:39:43djpiratewhat's wrong midgay?
08:39:56djpirateyou can tell me
08:40:01midkaynothing, it was a sigh of happiness.
08:40:25djpiratethen shut up
08:40:37midkaygood one, only took you like half a minute..
08:40:46djpirate[02:40] <midkay> nothing, it was a sigh of happiness.
08:40:46djpirate[02:40] <djpirate> then shut up
08:40:48djpiratelearn to count
08:41:02midkaythat's not funny
08:41:06scorche`djpirate: learn to h:m:s
08:41:09djpiratethou art headed for a very tragic end'
08:41:36midkaygood riddance.
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08:42:09djpirateAwaken my biniling, and embrace the fgt that is your birthright. Know that I am djpirate; the eternal will of the LoL!!~, and that you have been created to serve me.
08:42:40midkaydid you just call yourself an fgt?
08:42:52Digital_Comafagmode on
08:43:38midkaythis is pretty impressive. quite scary.
08:43:41djpirateWhere's the rnd ign irr?
08:43:52midkayi expect we're going to be hacked in several seconds. my heart is pounding.
08:43:53djpirateAND LISTEN TO ME ASWELL
08:44:13djpirateyoure the one hacking retard
08:44:29*midkay nods slowly
08:44:53djpiratestop sticking to me like a chewing gum
08:44:56midkayhaha. cruise control.
08:45:33midkaydjpirate, nice simile.. i think "leech" would work better though. "a chewing gum" doesn't actually really make sense.
08:45:36djpirateNOW ITS MY TURN
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08:45:39djpirateI detect a sndngr
08:45:53djpirateand stop spamming aswell
08:46:03Digital_Comafagmode off
08:46:20midkaythis is all actually surprisingly amusing.
08:46:35Digital_Comahow surprising
08:46:43midkayit really is.
08:46:50liloI'll need some help sorting problems
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08:47:00djpiratefuck, it's that one fag, what's his face
08:47:32midkaylilo, hm?
08:47:47lilookay, that's helping
08:47:50midkayDigital_Coma and djpirate are the same guy, or at least both spamming at the same time..
08:47:50djpirateAnother Victory for BS Inc.
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08:48:14Ribsyep, same ip
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08:48:45scorche`fun fun
08:48:48*lilo nods
08:48:55midkaythanks :)
08:49:00RancidLMthnx Lilo :)
08:49:06*scorche` waves farewell to grub
08:49:30*Ribs ponders why people like that always 'grace' this channel
08:49:36Ribsthis channel needs more ops really
08:49:53scorche`Ribs: it hasnt been the first time someone has suggested that
08:50:24midkayPaul_The_Nerd simply needs to be added to the op list. :)
08:50:28Ribsit's like, once a week I see something stupid going on here
08:50:49liloI will note that my /away message generally includes a pager email address
08:51:05scorche`i have been on vacation too long...
08:51:09scorche`i should return
08:51:19scorche`and actually have spare time to do some developing
08:51:44Ribsyeah, lostlogic has that problem atm as well
08:51:59RibsI even offered to swap homes with him or something, so the 'summer activities' didn't affect his work
08:52:07Ribsas the 'summer' here is pretty crap ;)
08:52:15Ribsstrangely enough, my offer was declined.
08:52:21scorche`all that is needed
08:52:32scorche`note the z
08:52:39scorche`it makes whatever i say "cool"
08:52:45Ribsyeah dudz
08:53:19scorche`that is enough...lost enough brain cells for one night
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09:06:42RancidLMhow do i go back to my nano firmware?
09:06:54Paul_The_NerdDo you mean "uninstall" or "Boot up in the retail firmware"?
09:07:12RancidLMboot up plz
09:07:22Paul_The_NerdOkay, shut down the player by holding Play/Pause
09:07:36Paul_The_NerdThen press and hold Menu until it says "Loading Original Firmware..."
09:10:11midkaymore specifically, press menu, release it, and then press+hold it again very soon after releasing (before the apple logo shows up).
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09:14:55Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I've confirmed that you can actually just hold menu in most cases.
09:14:58Paul_The_NerdAt least, I can.
09:15:10midkayPaul_The_Nerd, hm. i've tried it several times and it never worked.
09:15:27midkayi've heard that scrollwheel input (finger movement) can affect it though.
09:15:49midkayah, holding menu worked that time..
09:15:55RancidLMrockbox is nice but the fonts are messed on the latest build
09:16:09Paul_The_NerdI have a skin that has a rim around the wheel, so I can press on it without risking any scroll events.
09:16:13Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: How so?
09:16:27midkayah, maybe just holding it works as long as you're very careful not to move your finger a millimeter. :)
09:17:02midkaygood to know, thx.
09:17:42RancidLMi just downloaded the nano clone.. and the text is all over the place due to fonts
09:18:00midkay'due to fonts'? can you be more specific?
09:18:14midkaygarbled? odd size?..
09:18:29Paul_The_NerdRancidLM: Are you referring to a theme? Does it perhaps require patches?
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09:19:23Paul_The_NerdAlso, did you install the fonts archive, as the normal doesn't include all the fonts
09:20:34*midkay is headed to bed. nite all..
09:20:57RancidLMwhere are the fonts located?
09:21:43Paul_The_NerdIn the fonts download at the daily build page
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09:25:35RancidLMok that worked :)
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10:19:19JdGordonhey all
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11:28:43tucozbluebrother, hi. Are you here?
11:31:12bluebrotherI'm mostly "finished" with the credits stuff but now i have a dependency to iconv :-/
11:32:17bluebrotherjust read your comment to the image size task
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11:32:34bluebrotherwhy don't we use jpg for such kind of images?
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11:32:52tucozah. good.
11:33:04tucozhmm. Will that look good enough?
11:33:39bluebrotherI tried converting the front page image to jpg. Gives about 500 kiB and I can only note a difference at 800% magnification ...
11:34:07bluebrotherso I guess this should work similarly for the -front images.
11:34:08tucozthe front page should be some kind of vector format imo
11:34:36bluebrotherwould be better, sure.
11:34:52bluebrotherbut what vector format is understood by latex?
11:35:16bluebrotherand we would need to have the logo in some vector file format ...
11:35:24tucozSure. I'll try and reduce the size of the h300 image to jpg then. But, it would be even cooler if we succeded in having the size reduction handled by pdflatex
11:35:42*bluebrother seconds that.
11:36:01bluebrotherIIRC I used convert -quality .75 on my try.
11:36:08tucozI know. Which it isn't. Come to think of it. I am not sure pdflatex handles vector graphics at all.
11:36:58bluebrotherthe only "nice" solution in terms of latex would be an xfig image and exporting to pstricks.
11:37:13bluebrotheror maybe exporting to pdf −− pdflatex can use this as image format.
11:38:53bluebrotherbut, when using pdf we could use programs that can't export pstricks.
11:38:58*bluebrother thinks of inkscape
11:39:19*tucoz doesn't have the slightest clue what pstricks is
11:40:14tucozhmm. The frontpage blew up in size when converting to jpg
11:40:19bluebrothernasty latex code that draws the image with latex itself.
11:40:38tucozoh. that. :D
11:40:40bluebrotheryou need to specify the quality. Had this behaviour in the first place too.
11:41:02tucozI did: convert -quality .75 rockbox3540.png rockbox3540.jpg
11:41:30bluebrothermy resulting jpg has 258229 bytes
11:41:32tucoz-rw-r−−r−− 1 martin martin 837689 2006-06-05 11:39 rockbox3540.jpg
11:41:35tucoz-rw-r−−r−− 1 martin martin 770727 2006-02-06 08:25 rockbox3540.png
11:42:20bluebrotherthen I must have used a different quality setting then.
11:43:37tucozI get the same size regardless of the quality setting
11:44:09bluebrotherconvert uses percent values ;-)
11:44:30bluebrother-quality .75 gave me your (big) filesize, -quality 75 worked as expected.
11:45:23tucozmaybe we should just replace the huge png's with jpegs for now. And keep the png's in cvs, for future use
11:45:56bluebrotherthat was my idea. Maybe we'll find a good vector-way in the nearby future.
11:46:12tucozyes. Or success in the pdflatex scaling department
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11:47:07tucozthe h300 front is 113K now
11:47:15tucozinstead of 1004K
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11:59:05tucozAnd it also looks like I removed rockblox from the manual, although it is being built for the archoses. Do we need two tetris-clones in rockbox?
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12:04:08bluebrotherI wouldn't say so. Is tetrox working on the archoses?
12:04:48bluebrotherI think I'll commit my credits stuff. A added dependency to iconv should be ok, shouldn't it?
12:06:00tucozI guess
12:09:23bluebrothertucoz, committed. I hope this doesn't break anything.
12:09:24tucozthere are some artifacts from the conversion, but I think the size reduction is worth it anyway. At least for now
12:10:31tucoznice :)
12:10:52tucozdo you think I should commit the jpg h300-front?
12:11:11bluebrotherhope you like my credits style ;-)
12:11:54bluebrotherI took a deeper look to the ondio front image, looks like it was converted from jpg ... I'd vote yes.
12:12:02bluebrother(for commiting)
12:12:32tucozI see. Well, then I do it. We can always change it later on
12:12:45bluebrotherI think most (95%+) users will read the manual on screen, so it won't hurt having a bit lower quality for printing for now.
12:13:13bluebrotherthat was my thought. Make it usable now and better printable later ;-)
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12:13:48bluebrotherat least a 1MiB manual is always nicer for new users than a 3MiB one.
12:13:50tucozI agree
12:16:46JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: whats happening with your forum rearaging idea?
12:17:49Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Nothing until I get more feedback from people
12:18:22Paul_The_NerdI want to make sure there aren't any major objections, and linuxstb was right when he said there needed to be someplace for hardware-specific questions, like installation help
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12:18:57Paul_The_NerdI'm going to wait until Wed, then post a link to my proposal in the general discussion forum, and see what the actual forum-goers think of it.
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12:20:49tucozbluebrother, I like the credits. Really good looking
12:21:43linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Sorry I haven't had a chance to post my comments about the forums yet - I will do though.
12:22:48tucozthe manual is really starting to look good
12:23:30Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: No hurry. I want to make sure this gets done right, so it's better to take a while discussing it beforehand, and to take as much time thinking about it as needed.
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13:30:06tucozbluebrother, do you think it's ok if I split the ondios to two manuals?
13:31:18tucoznevermind. I do it anyway :)
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13:33:25b00st4any1 got a ipod 5g?
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13:33:42b00st4got a problem runnin rockbox...
13:35:22b00st4is it fixet yet, to supply power to the itrip when runnin rockbox?
13:35:44tucozI don't know. Wouldn't think so
13:36:35b00st4i read something, that it was build in one of the latest cvs
13:36:57b00st4linuxstb seemed to have fixed this bug...
13:37:11tucozOh. I see.
13:38:10b00st4but i dont get it to work..
13:38:32b00st4works fine wit the orig firmware, but dont wanna change it back...
13:39:13tucozI can understand that :) When was that change committed?
13:39:57Paul_The_NerdThe change simply provides power to accessories.
13:40:03Paul_The_NerdIt won't necessarily make all accessories work
13:41:12b00st4yeah, but it was said, that it would work wit the itrip...
13:41:43Paul_The_NerdWhere was that said?
13:41:59b00st4googled for ti...
13:42:08Paul_The_NerdSo... I note that's not a link to anywhere on
13:42:25Paul_The_NerdDo you have the exact same iTrip as the one he has?
13:43:29b00st4jap, i do
13:43:55b00st4but im not sure about this melt thing, i would loose my guarantee
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13:46:21Paul_The_NerdI don't understand what you were expecting then.
13:46:32Paul_The_NerdIt seems to say extra steps need to be taken so far.
13:47:04b00st4yeah, just wanned to know if there is any other way now
13:48:07Paul_The_NerdWell, if it doesn't work for you, then I imagine there's not yet.
13:48:34b00st4and if not, maybe there is a solution now, to run the orig firmware parallelly, it was possible somehow with foobod/foobar, but not for the 5g i think
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13:49:18b00st4you now, im no developer, and well it could be, that there is any patch out...thats why i was askin
13:50:22Paul_The_NerdIf you're looking for a patch, they're all in the patch tracker
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13:51:05Paul_The_NerdPlus you said you read something that said it was in CVS
13:51:09Paul_The_NerdI'm curious what that was.
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13:54:01Paul_The_NerdOn an unrelated note, I'd like to vent to a mostly empty room. My assignment tells me my class needs a destructor. My class itself has nothing dynamically allocated. What should I have the destructor do? Just say "Hi, I ran?"
13:54:13b00st4follow the link, it is said, that power supply for accessories is in the cvs tree now
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13:55:32Paul_The_Nerdb00st4: And it also says that _despite_ that, you still need to do the other step. I thought you meant that somewhere you'd read the rest of the problem was fixed.
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13:56:23b00st4nah, that prob remained, but as this blogpost is bout a month old, i thought maybe so would have fixed that yet
13:56:41b00st4but it seems, that this is very hard to do...
13:56:54Paul_The_NerdIt's also a very minor thing compared to everything else
13:57:09Paul_The_NerdAnd Rockbox is also in feature freeze, so it couldn't have gone into CVS even if someone did do it.
13:57:47b00st4what? i dont think so, itrip is a pretty useful thing, im sure many pps would apreciate it...
13:58:15JdGordonjust get a proper fm transmitter that isnt apple branded and your good to go
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14:01:52tucozPaul_The_Nerd, c++? just implement the destructor as a stub.
14:01:57tucozfor completeness
14:03:58b00st4<JdGordon> just get a proper fm transmitter that isnt apple branded and your good to go
14:04:02b00st4that works than?
14:04:29b00st4actually itrip isnt made by apple
14:04:35b00st4its griffin
14:05:23amiconnYou should be able to use any generic fm transmitter, that just connects to the headphone jack
14:05:53amiconnDrawback: a generic transmitter isn't powered from the ipod, so it has its own battery
14:06:17b00st4ah, ok
14:06:34b00st4so the only problem is to get power to the itrip u think?
14:06:40Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: Well, the assignment tells me it must have a destructor. I've put in an output in it, just so that it says "Hey, I got called" so the teacher is happy.
14:07:02b00st4cuz its possible to connect a usb power directly to the itrip
14:07:15amiconnI can't be sure as I don't have such a thing, and don't plan to get one either
14:07:33Paul_The_Nerdb00st4: When I said it was minor, I meant it. There are many MANY things left to be done that will affect 100% of users. The iTrip probably affects 1/4 at best.
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14:08:22amiconnAccessory support for ipod will probably come sooner or later, it depends on someone having accessorie(s), enough time and desire to figure out how it works
14:08:49Paul_The_NerdIt'll happen eventually
14:09:00Paul_The_NerdThough the fact that iPodLinux has yet to work it out isn't terribly promising for a rapid timeline
14:09:16JdGordonusbotg is more important :D
14:09:16b00st4ah, ok, but 1/4 isnt too less, but i understand, its not too easy to fix that and therefore i gotta seek for alternates
14:09:44Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I'll settle for simply "USB"
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14:16:34webguest11hey friends, are there any screenshots of rockbox out there anywhere?
14:16:50tucozwebguest11, what player do you have?
14:17:24tucozYou can check screenshots in the manual.
14:17:45webguest11ty much
14:17:53Paul_The_NerdIt's not terribly pretty
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14:18:35webguest11yeah firgured as much
14:18:46Paul_The_NerdThough you can make the while playing screen look _very_ nice
14:18:56tucozthe plugins are pretty (some of them)
14:20:01tucozwebguest11, the nano wps gallery.
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14:20:09sharpehey people...
14:20:15Genre9mp3Does this happen to anyone else? (H340) After disconnecting the player from USB mode (NOT Bootloader USB mode), when try to play a song, I get the WPS screen but playback never starts.... after rebooting everything OK until I connect the player again to the PC, then again, playback never starts
14:21:19Hansmaulwurftry to reloud your .cfg
14:21:37Hansmaulwurfhelped on m H120
14:22:07Genre9mp3Hamsmaulwurf:This is for me?
14:22:51Hansmaulwurfi had this bug one time after i installed a new build
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14:23:27Hansmaulwurfcouldnt start playback and the button mapping wasnt right
14:23:58Genre9mp3Hamsmaulwurf:Reloading the cfg does not help...
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14:24:36Genre9mp3Only restarting Rockbox helps...
14:24:50Genre9mp3I think this is a bug...
14:24:57Genre9mp3Can anyone here reproduce it?
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15:18:13hacimhey rockboxers, I'm wanting to get some supported hardware to run rockbox and am wondering what to get, i've never been excited about ipods, but what do people recommend?
15:18:29midkay_depends on what you want, really..
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15:18:48sharpethat's great reasoning
15:19:25hacimmidkay: I guess I am so clueless I dont even know what options I have for wanting
15:19:55midkayhacim, the iriver H100, H300 series are rather popular, as are the iPod 4Gs and 5G, and nano..
15:20:05midkayand the iAudio X5.
15:20:13hacimmidkay: i'm guessing amount of space, battery life and size are the biggest criteria?
15:20:23midkaythe archoses are supported, but rather old/clunky :) and tehy don't play the 9 or 10 supported codecs we've got now.
15:20:53hacimI guess one criteria is I'm looking for something relatively cheap
15:20:56midkayhacim, iPods are smallest I think.. battery life isn't too good on them yet.. maybe an H140, if you don't need a color screen.
15:21:04amiconnhacim: Other criteria: Do you want recording? radio? spdif input and/or output?
15:21:08midkayi think battery life on those is quite good by now, and it's reasonably small.
15:21:09hacimas in not much money (not quality :)
15:21:28hacimamiconn: I do want a radio
15:21:39sharpegahh... exam... in an hour and a half..
15:21:48midkaydo the H140s have radios?
15:21:52hacimamiconn: recording would be nice, I dont know what spdif is, so I guess not
15:21:52midkaycan't remember at all.
15:22:24Genre9mp3midkay: H140 have radio of course...
15:22:33midkaywhy "of course"? :)
15:22:39amiconn...and finally, do you want much space and carry all your music (->harddisk player), or want a robust unit with less apce (->flash-based player)
15:22:53midkayhacim, the H140 sounds perfect for you (or H120 if you want 20gb instead of 40)..
15:23:13midkayprobably cheapest of all the good supported players, recording, radio..
15:24:12Genre9mp3also the H120/H140 have the longest battery life with rockbox....
15:24:22midkayGenre9mp3, right..
15:24:28hacimamiconn: when you say "robust unit" - what do you mean by that?
15:24:30amiconnmidkay: The archoses might not play 9 of 10 codecs of the newer units, but they're still good for 99.9% of my music :)
15:24:53midkayamiconn, haha, mine too. :) but they're.. dunno.. old. :) clunky. :)
15:25:08amiconnThe Ondio isn't clunky
15:25:16amiconnOld they are, that's true
15:25:28midkaythat's true, but he also wants "amount of space" -> storage, i think..
15:25:40hacimi dont particularly need tons of space, or ultra light, or anything, I'd like a good rockbox feature set, supported codecs and something that wont break :)
15:26:05midkayhow much space exactly could you use?
15:26:11midkay2GB? 4GB? or more like 20GB?
15:26:39hacimI *could* use 60gb, but I dont _need_ that much space all the time
15:26:41midkayor even less.. ondios... 128MB + an MMC card, i think.
15:26:50amiconnHarddisks don't like to be dropped
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15:27:08hacimthey do enjoy being thrown
15:27:20sharpenot the kind of hard drives i use...
15:27:41hacimrockbox needs the hard drive active protection system :)
15:27:42amiconnmidkay: Yes, and the MMC can have up to 4GB of capacity :)
15:27:53pondlifeHi guys.
15:27:59pondlifeCould somebody with the relevant Flyspray permissions consider updating bug 5486 to be required in 3.0. It gives a recipe which will hard crash an H340 (or H340 sim) reliably, so I'd think of it as "critical".
15:28:02hacimso it sounds like I should look at the ondio, or the H120/H140
15:28:05sharpehacim: it'd only work if there were sensors to monitor position :)
15:28:55hacimsharpe: details... it could be a manual operation, "press the down button before dropping your device" ;)
15:29:08sharpeeh, true
15:29:34hacimsince most people plan their mistakes...? ok, I'll shutup now
15:29:54amiconnhacim: Flash based players are lighter and smaller than HD based players, and they are less susceptible to dropping and practically immune to vibration/shaking (e.g. while jogging). But they offer less capacity. 4GB is the maximum for rockbox-supported flash players atm
15:30:10amiconn(which would either be the Ondio, with a 4GB card, or the iPod nano)
15:30:53amiconnHarddisk based players offer up to 60GB factory installed. The old archoses use 2.5" hard disks and can be upgraded to >120GB
15:32:07amiconnAnother point would be the display, i.e. whether you want colour
15:32:08midkayright.. /me has to go for a while, though.. bbl
15:33:51hacimlooks like the H120 goes for about $130-160 on ebay
15:34:13midkayquite a nice deal if you don't mind the fact that it *might* break with a drop..
15:34:27hacimamiconn: i dont really need color, I guess I would if it was doing video, but for menus who cares?
15:34:40hacimmidkay: sure, but you can then just replace the drive, right?
15:36:05hacimondios look really inexpensive
15:36:17hacimof course thats with the default 128megs
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15:40:07JdGordonany core devs around?
15:41:46amiconnA few minutes...
15:42:08JdGordoni wont bug u then
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15:44:14linuxstbpondlife: I've updated that bug to be due in 3.0
15:47:54pondlifelinuxstb: Thanks
15:48:05linuxstbpondlife: Can you try adding "if (current_frequency)" to the start of line 259 in mpa.c and see if that helps that crash? I can't see why current_frequency should be zero at that point though.
15:48:06pondlifeI hope to have more time to look at it shortly
15:48:32pondlifeYes - I tried that and it didn't help, so not sure what's actually causing the exception.
15:48:44pondlifeI'm a bit new to GDB though.
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15:50:09linuxstbThat's weird then. Did you get the same gdb output when you did that? Also, did you definitely run "make install" after recompiling the sim (to install the updated codecs)?
15:50:29pondlifeAh I didn't do make install... that might be why!
15:50:44pondlifeI'll give it another go when I get back from work
15:51:10linuxstb:) OK.
15:51:25pondlifeThanks anyway!
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16:07:16hacimI remember a supported hardware matrix somewhere on the wiki, but I can't find that anymore, does it no longer exist?
16:08:04bluebrotherlook for DeviceChart
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16:49:35Genre9mp3I added the bug with playback not working after USB connect to the tracker
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16:51:38ts-xGenre9mp3: I've experienced the same issue, hard freeze requiring reset after usb on H340
16:52:16XavierGrts-x: no hard freeze.
16:52:24XavierGrit will just refuse to output sound.
16:52:51ts-xStrange, for me it's almost always a hard freeze (I'm using the album art patch, not sure if that's making it worse)
16:53:20linuxstbSo does it happen every time you try and play music after using USB?
16:53:27Genre9mp3ts-x: I don't think that the album-art patch has nothing to do with this....
16:53:31Genre9mp3linuxstb: yes
16:53:43Genre9mp3You have to rebbot
16:53:48linuxstbAny idea if it's a new bug, or if it's always been there?
16:54:23ts-xFor me it's usually after modifying the wps via usb and reloading it. It's relatively new, as in within the past month or so I think.
16:54:30Genre9mp3Well I had almost a month to update and I cannot say for sure...
16:55:01XavierGrthe strange thing is that this won't happen on H100
16:55:09Genre9mp3Even if you don't transfer files (just connect) you also get this problem
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17:28:15PaulJamis someone with flyspray access here?
17:31:43PaulJamXavierGr: i think FS #5373 can be closed. i can't reproduce it anymore.
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17:35:43XavierGrok done.
17:36:11XavierGrprobably it was fixed by the other commit for the viewer the other day.
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17:45:01falconfoxhi. i am brand new to rockbox. i tried to force an tag update and i get "data abort at 0003519C". i have rebooted and tried 3 times. each time that is what happens
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17:45:14falconfoxi am using ipod color
17:45:28falconfoxwith latest rockbox build
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18:19:44Papricaplease take a look
18:23:07falconfoxwill do
18:24:18falconfoxPaprica: what am i supposed to do with the .diff file?
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18:25:56falconfoxPaprica: again, thanks
18:26:35Mikachui don't think that patch has anything to do with your problem
18:27:42falconfoxhere is what i did, i updated my 4g color ipod to the latest apple firmware, which erased everything. then i followed the install instructions on the rockbox thing. everything worked. rockbox started and then i dragged all my music over to my ipod.
18:27:58falconfoxthen i chose "id3 database" then did a force check
18:28:17falconfoxthen i get "data abort at 0003519C"
18:28:47bluebrotherhave you tried forcing the check before you switched to the id3 database view?
18:29:20falconfoxno, i haven't. i will go back to "compatible" view and then force check
18:30:05bluebrotherjust an idea, maybe it helps
18:30:48falconfoxactually, last time i did the force check, it was in "supported" mode
18:31:07bluebrotherhmm. Then I have no idea.
18:31:46falconfoxcould it be an issue with the bootloader?
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18:32:17bluebrotherI don't think so −− at least rockbox seems to be running.
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18:32:42falconfoxare the settings saved in the .rockbox folder?
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18:33:37bluebrotherno, they are saved in a special block on disk. But you can export them as .cfg file
18:33:46falconfoxi had yesterday's build on my ipod, then i deleted the .rockbox folder & the bios and put todays build on there. the settings from yesterday were still there
18:33:53falconfoxoh ok
18:34:05falconfoxcould that special block be corrupt?
18:34:44bluebrotherit stores a version number, so this shouldn't be a problem. I think there is a key combo in the bootloader that clears all settings.
18:35:11bluebrotherat least iriver has one, so I assume theres also one for ipods, but unfortunately I don't own an ipod (yet)
18:35:55falconfoxok then
18:36:19falconfoxi got the errer again, even when i did not choose id3 database
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18:37:01bluebrothersorry, but I think I can't help you further on this. Need to buy an ipod first ;-)
18:37:43PaulJamcan it be, that some of your files have embeddded album art in the tags? i have heard that tagcache can't handle these tags.
18:39:10pondlifeIs anyone around who knows the voice/audio codec swapping code?
18:39:26bluebrotheryou could try also manually removing the tagcache files before rebuilding.
18:39:34pondlifeI've attached some notes to
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18:46:59falconfoxPaulJam: i don't think any of my tags have that
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18:47:25falconfoxbluebrother: how do i remove the tagchace files?
18:48:47tucozfalconfox, just go to the .rockbox folder and delete them. If you want to delete them on target, choose "show all" in the file settings menu.
18:49:30bluebrotherfalconfox, they are the file with the .tcd extension
18:51:28falconfoxbluebrother: for some reason, wtih files set to show "all" i am unable to go into my .rockbox folder
18:51:38falconfoxi got it
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18:58:31falconfoxhow do i find out if some of my files have album art?
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20:16:08RancidLMhey all
20:16:48RancidLMmy settings are messed in rockbox iv currently got white on white.. how do i reset its display configs?
20:17:24PaulJamwhich player do you have?
20:20:32RancidLMi tried setting ipod clone on and it just became white on white
20:20:36PaulJamthen you can reset the settings by booting rockbox with hold enabled
20:21:54RancidLMPaulJam: perect worked Great :D
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20:28:46RancidLMand firmware os's
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21:11:15dionoeai noticed the release wiki page ... it said that the freeze was supposed to last 4 weeks, up to 01/05 ... you should maybe update that :)
21:11:57sharpeit's more of an extended release now
21:12:27dionoeayeah, we always have the same thing when we want to release VLC
21:12:28sharpebesides, that was just four days ago.
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21:12:39dionoea01/05 was 1 month ago here :)
21:14:20dionoeadoes anyone know if it's possible to change the IA's intelligence on chessbox ?
21:14:21sharpedepends on your dating format.
21:14:38sharpei can safely say, no?
21:14:39dionoea01/05 using us dating format was 5 months ago :)
21:14:41mirakis there a way to put the hard drive of an H300 in standby when connected in USB driver ?
21:15:15sharpemirak: you mean, turn it off while in usb mode?
21:15:39sharpeie, stop it from spinning?
21:15:43miraksharpe: just the hard drive, like you would do with a normal hard drive
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21:16:01sharpewhy would you want to do that? :D
21:16:09sharpeeh, i don't think there is at the moment anyway.
21:16:44sharpeeh, it's possible, just not implemented.
21:16:58sharpedoesn't it spin down after no use ?
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21:17:06dionoeait should
21:17:07miraksharpe: no
21:17:11mirakat least not on linux
21:17:16Xinuxi cant get firefox support in like any channel
21:17:26Xinuxeven on irc.mozilla,org, everybody = afk
21:17:30mirakI tried to hdparm -Y /dev/sda but it doesn't turn it of
21:17:37sharpeXinux: they don't like you.
21:17:42Xinuxthey just not there
21:17:46Xinuxi asked a pretty simple question
21:17:52sharpeno, they don't like you. it's okay.
21:17:59Xinuxlmao, sharpe die
21:18:15sharpesee why they don't like you? :D
21:18:24Xinuxyou're about
21:18:27Xinux180 people ?
21:18:28Xinuxamazing ?
21:18:34amiconnmirak: The harddisk spin/standby behaviour in usb mode is handled by the operation system of the pc, plus the config eeprom of the usb-ata bridge
21:18:44amiconnNothing to be influenced by rockbox
21:18:50Xinuxi didnt go in there saying die, i just asked a simple question, settings my side mouse buttons to back and forward
21:19:02sharpewe warn them.
21:19:55sharpeyay! i got a thank you in the forums.
21:20:15amiconnMy H340 hd does spin down in usb mode while idle, the H140 hd does not
21:20:32mirakmy H320 doesn't
21:20:42mirakamiconn: you use linux ?
21:20:42sharpeamiconn: would we consider recording for the ipods an important feature?
21:20:57mirakcan you force standby mode with hdparm -y /dev/sda ?
21:20:57amiconnThat's in windows - many people have reported usb harddisks not spinning down under linux
21:21:04amiconn(for whatever reason)
21:21:38amiconnsharpe: My ipod can't record. That's a thing to be implemented by other devs
21:21:43obomirak: hdparm -S ??
21:22:04sharpeyeh, but would it be a critical feature?
21:22:10sharpei don't see why it would be...
21:22:15mirakobo: in fact hdparm can't talk at all to the drive
21:22:16dionoeado the ipods have microphones ?
21:22:25mirakdionoea: yes
21:22:26sharpethey can record via the headphone jack.
21:22:27linuxstbsharpe: ipod recording is on my list of things to do, but I don't even have time for bugfixing atm
21:22:56sharpelinuxstb: alright, i was just answering a question on the forums, as i couldn't remember what was said about recording
21:23:07dionoeamirak: all ? i couldn't see a mic on my 5g
21:23:32mirakdionoea: that's inside the headphone connector
21:23:37mirakthere is a third pin
21:23:59dionoeado you need a special apple mic ? or will any mic work ?
21:24:21amiconnsharpe: If they can record, rockbox should of course support it
21:24:25sharpemirak: the other pins in the 5g just deal with video/audio. i believe it's implemented in the hardware to record from the headphone jack, instead of playing music.
21:24:33linuxstbDoes the 5g definitely have the ability to record via the headphone socket? As there's no remote connector on the top, Apple may have removed that feature.
21:24:42mirakI think sdparm does what I want
21:24:55amiconnAfaik they can record via the headphone jack and via separate line-in on the dock connector (?)
21:25:10sharpebeyond my knowledge.
21:25:21*dionoea checks the ipod website
21:25:34linuxstbamiconn: In general, yes. The 1g-4g are definitely like that. But I'm not sure about the 5g.
21:26:00linuxstbThe only mic accessory I've seen for the 5g plugged into the dock.
21:26:10amiconnThe minis definitely cannot record as they have a dac-only wmcodec
21:26:12sharpein soviet russia, microphone record you!
21:27:31*Xinux picks up Sharpe and starts writing die.
21:28:27dionoealooks like it can recored voice
21:28:44*amiconn has a properly working charging icon on all targets :)
21:28:45dionoeaso there must be some way to plug a mic in
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21:28:57amiconnThe code needs some more cleanup though
21:29:01sharpei did suggest a speex codec once... :D
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21:30:23sharpewe should have, rockbox awards, eg, Most Dedicated, Most Helpful, Least Helpful, et cetera...
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21:32:03lowlightCan anyone help me...I'm having troubles with the WIN32 sim...
21:32:22lowlightI keep getting "failed to open for write: archos/_temp_codec.dll" whenever it switches codecs
21:33:06spennycan anyone help me fix my spazzed ipod?
21:34:43dionoeahum ... i can't find a record screen in the original apple firmware
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21:36:57dionoeaanyone know where i'm supposed to find that ? or does it need a mic plugged in to bring that screen up ?
21:39:11spennywould anyone have a original ipod nano "bootpartition.bin" copy they could send me?
21:39:31dionoeaon the windows ipod install wiki page maybe
21:39:42dionoea(at the bottom)
21:40:17dprospeeny: I might let me check ...
21:41:16spennyi've tried the copy posted on the page you suggest dionoea, and it doesnt work
21:41:26dionoeaoh ...
21:41:34Xinuxdie die die die
21:41:35dionoeamaybe on
21:42:08Xinuxpodzilla needs an official release for ipod video
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21:43:18linuxstbdionoea: I think you only get a record screen in the Apple firmware when using an official mic accessory...
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21:43:44dionoeaoh ... so i'd need an official mic which would cost about $1000 ... darn :/
21:43:54linuxstbNo, probably about $20-$30
21:43:56dprolinuxstb: and that will be the one attaching to the doc right ?
21:44:20linuxstbdpro: On the 5g, yes. But I'm not even sure any 5g mics are available yet.
21:44:44dionoeathey're not listed in the accessories list on the specs.html page
21:45:14linuxstbThere's a preview/review here:
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21:49:52lowlightlinuxstb: do you have a patch to underclock an h120?
21:49:56lowlightI've underclocked before, but when I tried today, it slowed the playback speed as well (like I had slowed the pitch).
21:51:07dionoeahum, italk 5g or italk pro doesn't exist on the apple web site ... we'll have to wait :)
21:54:16dionoeaoh, it's not made by apple ... hehe :D
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22:04:07linuxstbdionoea: Here's another:
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22:06:30linuxstblowlight: No, I don't have a patch for CPU speed. amiconn told me what to do - it will be in the IRC logs if you can find it...
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22:06:43spennybah, netsplit
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22:07:25dionoealinuxstb: yep, i saw that one too. But looks like it also isn't available yet
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22:08:27linuxstbdionoea: Yes, and they're all for the dock connector as well. Which is why I'm doubting the 5g can record via the headphone socket.
22:08:39lowlightlinuxstb: that's were I got my info, but it doesn't work now. Seems as though playback frequency now depends on cpu speed?
22:09:29linuxstbMaybe... I don't really know much about the Coldfire.
22:13:29amiconnlowlight: No it doesn't. However, you need to obey some details when changing PLLCONFIG
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22:13:59amiconn(1) Do not change the bits that define the audio clock and the two MCLKs
22:14:34amiconn(2) The clock frequency cannot be chosen freely, but it must be an integer multiple of the base frequency of 11289600Hz
22:15:56amiconn..and the *_MULT macro must be defined properly. This is because of the way the timers are handled to ensure proper operation across clock frequency changes
22:16:13lowlightamiconn: I followed your instructions here: (around 13:35). It worked in the past, but not now.
22:16:18amiconnThe values I gave linuxstb back then should still be valid
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22:18:24lowlightI did notice that the current PLLCR value for CPUFREQ_NORMAL has changed since then.
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22:19:09amiconnOh? Hmm, lemme check
22:21:11lowlightsystem.c revision 1.99:
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22:22:51amiconnYeah, found that, checking datasheet
22:25:03amiconnAha, chenged AUDIOSEL from 0 to 1. Try PLLCR = 0x13c46005; for 34MHz, and PLLCR = 0x15c4e005;
22:25:08amiconn..for 23MHz
22:25:45Papricahow can i remove file from cvs?
22:26:17lowlightThanks, I will try.
22:26:17dionoeacvs rm ?
22:26:26Papricaok :)
22:26:56Papricait doesnt show here
22:27:08Mikachuyou can add it then
22:27:50Papricabut i dont know how to use it
22:28:39dionoeaPaprica: else you can just type "cvs help"
22:28:46dionoeaand it'll show all the commands
22:29:10Paprica10x :)
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22:29:41amiconnNice book about cvs...
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22:30:24Papricavery long =\
22:30:38amiconnIt has a cvs reference chapter...
22:34:09Papricacvs remove: file `brickmania_sel_start.112x64x1.bmp' still in working directory
22:34:16Papricawhat should i need to do now?
22:34:40markunPaprica: I think you have to remove the file
22:34:46amiconnYou need to first remove the file physically, *then* issue 'cvs remove'
22:34:52Papricafrom my folder?
22:35:49*amiconn considers this behaviour a little braindead, since it removes the possibility of using tab completion for the file name
22:36:21preglowsubversion fixes that :>
22:36:23linuxstbamiconn: Just use a semi-colon. i.e. rm file.c ; cvs remove file.c
22:36:25dionoeahehe :)
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22:36:28*preglow nudges Bagder
22:36:31dionoeacvs vs svn ... round 1 !
22:36:34dionoeafight !
22:36:47amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, yes, didn't think of that
22:37:01*amiconn usually uses a file manager to delete files
22:37:09dionoea(notice that even ffmpeg finaly decided to move to subversion)
22:37:34amiconnWhy *even* ?
22:37:52Mikachuamiconn: zsh completes correctly anyway
22:38:10Mikachuand only files that are actually in the repository, not other stuff you might have lying around
22:38:54dionoeaamiconn: well the troll lasted like 1 or 2 years on the mailing list ...
22:42:28preglowMikachu: why the entire world hasn't switched to zsh is beyond me
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22:42:45Mikachuyeah it is strange
22:43:04Mikachuwhen people ask me how it is better than bash i tell them i don't know; i have never used bash :)
22:43:16preglowi've used bash for ages
22:43:20preglowbut zsh plain beats it
22:44:16Mikachuback when i installed loonix for the first time i chose zsh over bash because i thought the name was cooler
22:44:30*dionoea uses zsh
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22:51:41lowlightamiconn: thanks, that worked....also, any ideas why the sim (cygwin) doesn't like to change codecs.
22:51:44lowlightI keep getting "failed to open for write: archos/_temp_codec.dll"
22:52:10amiconnI don't know. Last time I tried it, it worked
22:54:04sharpeah, "Sharpe" is a surname. who knew? :)
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22:58:17sharpeand there is also a replacement shell for windows, "SharpE"
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23:37:47philrochehi guys, I've just loaded the latest rockbox onto my iriver H100, it was working fine until I opened the text_viewer. It's now completely frozen. I can't turn it on or off at all. ANy ideas?
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23:45:37philrocheUpdate - I pressed the reset button - I was hesitant as I thought it might wipe my music. All is well :)
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23:54:26sharpei am back!
23:55:10Aghasterwb, then
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23:55:21sharpehow's the translation commit going? :)
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23:55:34Aghasterlook up cvs dated for yesterday :P
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23:56:11AghasterI am the one with the first ipod in Esperanto in the world now.
23:56:28Aghasterhow useless, but how fun
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23:56:46sharpei'd use it if i spoke esperanto. but i don't.
23:56:55AghasterTime to start learning it lol
23:57:08Aghastermarkun is happy its finished
23:57:26Aghasteri don't know if there are other esperantists other than me and markun
23:57:29Aghasterthat use rockbox
23:57:46Aghastermaybe i should mail the user maillist?
23:57:51*BHSPitMonkey wonders what esperanto is
23:58:12sharpea language!
23:58:29AghasterEsperanto is an artificial language created in 1887 by Ludovic Zamenhof, in Warsaw. Today, its the most spoken conlang in the world
23:58:46AghasterThere are esperanto groups in almost every country in the world

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