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00:00:11 | Aghaster | I'm a separatist btw, i'm a proud quebecer ;) |
00:00:52 | sharpe | i'll rephrase that, you're heading up the canadian rockbox side of it :D |
00:01:21 | Aghaster | don't call me canadian XD |
00:01:23 | Aghaster | please |
00:01:25 | Aghaster | lol |
00:01:41 | sharpe | southernly-direction-impaired? :P |
00:02:10 | Aghaster | quebec's rockbox side? |
00:02:39 | sharpe | sure? |
00:03:04 | Aghaster | I have everything but the canadian nationalistic feeling |
00:03:54 | sharpe | ah |
00:03:55 | sharpe | fun. |
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00:22:51 | Aghaster | http://www.planetcpp.info/eoipodo.jpg |
00:22:58 | Aghaster | what do you think of the photo i took? |
00:23:13 | midkay | it's.. a photo. of an ipod. |
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00:23:26 | Aghaster | no... this ipod is special... |
00:23:38 | midkay | is it, now? |
00:23:52 | Aghaster | yup, its the first ipod in esperanto in the world |
00:23:56 | Aghaster | lol |
00:24:00 | Aghaster | and its mine |
00:24:30 | midkay | it's not quite clear that it is, it's a picture of some guy ffs. :) |
00:24:54 | Aghaster | well, esperantists know who he is |
00:27:11 | midkay | um, k. :) |
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00:28:15 | linuxstb | Dr Zamenhof? |
00:28:25 | Aghaster | :) |
00:28:35 | Aghaster | yeah, that's Zamenhof on an ipod |
00:28:49 | amiconn | Is that an ipod photo? |
00:28:53 | Aghaster | yes |
00:29:02 | Aghaster | running rockbox |
00:29:03 | Aghaster | of course. |
00:29:34 | * | amiconn wondered whether it could be a 4g greyscale, and someone else than me ported the grayscale lib |
00:30:04 | Aghaster | Zamenhof did not live to see color photos... |
00:30:04 | Aghaster | lol |
00:30:11 | Aghaster | way too old |
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00:45:31 | lilo | hi all |
00:45:41 | lilo | did you lose anyone you needed? |
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00:56:39 | midkay | lilo, hm? |
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03:01:57 | Aghaster | http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod |
03:09:17 | Aghaster | hehe |
03:09:29 | Aghaster | I hope we will have more esperantist rockbox users in the future. |
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03:11:33 | Aghaster | hi sinbios |
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04:13:04 | Delti | Does this firmware actually work? |
04:14:01 | hacim | Delti: what firmware? |
04:14:44 | Delti | rock box, what this whole channel is about |
04:15:25 | Delti | Because I just bought an ipod video and I hate the firmware |
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04:24:09 | sharpe` | three of me :( |
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04:25:32 | sharpe | yay! |
04:25:35 | sharpe | i'll stop now. |
04:25:47 | webguest43 | where can i get the devkit? |
04:26:07 | webguest43 | cyborg systems wint let me download it |
04:26:22 | sharpe | devkit? |
04:26:33 | webguest43 | es |
04:26:34 | webguest43 | yes |
04:26:38 | sharpe | for rockbox? |
04:26:43 | webguest43 | where can i get theversion 3.14 |
04:26:46 | webguest43 | yes |
04:26:52 | sharpe | the devkits outdated i believe |
04:27:02 | webguest43 | so where can i get the new one? |
04:27:03 | sharpe | windows, right? |
04:27:09 | webguest43 | yes |
04:27:17 | sharpe | you're better off using either cygwin, or the vmware image |
04:27:42 | webguest43 | i tried those, but im still having trouble |
04:27:53 | webguest43 | im kinda new at this |
04:28:02 | sharpe | those are really the only options for development on windows for rockbox... |
04:28:10 | sharpe | aside from colinux, but i've no idea about that |
04:28:19 | webguest43 | is there a guide or something that i could use? |
04:28:27 | sharpe | of course, one moment. |
04:28:28 | webguest43 | the apply patches? |
04:29:01 | sharpe | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
04:29:09 | sharpe | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
04:29:17 | sharpe | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform |
04:29:33 | webguest43 | and how can i apply patches to the files? |
04:29:48 | sharpe | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches :D |
04:30:05 | sharpe | under the category , "Applying A Patch" |
04:30:12 | webguest43 | thnks a lot |
04:30:21 | sharpe | ah, you're welcome |
04:30:24 | webguest43 | i was trying to work with another guide |
04:30:29 | webguest43 | but it was not working |
04:30:32 | sharpe | heh |
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04:30:36 | sharpe | g'bye |
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04:31:01 | andrewski | i kinda forgot that rockbox had IRC; hi folks! |
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04:31:31 | Falco98 | hey all |
04:31:37 | sharpe | falco! |
04:32:56 | Falco98 | ? |
04:33:01 | Falco98 | um.. meant to say "sup?" |
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04:33:24 | sharpe | eh. |
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04:34:06 | Falco98 | so... what's new? |
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04:34:17 | andrewski | Falco98: today's rockbox build? |
04:34:27 | Falco98 | haha |
04:34:30 | Falco98 | 2.99999 |
04:34:37 | Falco98 | and tomorrow, 2.999999 |
04:34:49 | Falco98 | O:-) |
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04:58:00 | Falco98 | missed him :-/ |
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05:07:20 | Falco98 | wow noone around tonight... |
05:07:25 | sharpe | meh. |
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05:10:15 | Falco98 | hey jd |
05:10:33 | JdGordon | hey |
05:10:50 | Falco98 | anyone have any updates about the status of the freeze? i've been away for a few days |
05:11:10 | JdGordon | it looks like its gonna be around for a bit longer.. |
05:11:23 | Falco98 | oh? what's the official word on that |
05:11:28 | Falco98 | like weeks? |
05:11:48 | JdGordon | dunno |
05:11:53 | Falco98 | k |
05:11:57 | sharpe | i don't think weeks... |
05:12:00 | sharpe | but maybe. |
05:12:04 | Falco98 | heh |
05:12:14 | Falco98 | keep in mind of course the release was "mayday" :-P |
05:12:24 | JdGordon | ye, so much for that :D |
05:15:29 | Falco98 | hehe |
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08:04:39 | perplexity | Question: Does anyone have any idea if we are going to see a new bootloader for the h3x0 series that boots into rockbox when the charger is plugged in.. sometime in the future? not asking for an eta of course.. |
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08:17:02 | rocko | you guys did a real good job. |
08:19:46 | dongs | yarly |
08:19:56 | dongs | all credit goes to: OPEN SOURCE DEVELOPERS |
08:21:52 | dongs | also: what the fuck with fadeins/fadeouts on pause acutally WORKING. |
08:22:05 | dongs | i upgraded and that shit actually worked i was like wtf where do i turn this off. |
08:23:04 | rocko | i been using rockbox on my ipod |
08:23:09 | rocko | i'm a fan. |
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08:24:46 | dongs | me too but i wish it was built using closed-source compilers so that it would acutally run FAST. |
08:25:06 | rocko | i compile stuff every now and then |
08:25:17 | rocko | what do you mean "closed-source compiler" |
08:25:42 | dongs | gcc produces horrible code for ARM |
08:25:50 | dongs | by horrible i mean HOLY SHIT WHO WROTE SHIT |
08:26:00 | dongs | er 2nd shit = this |
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08:26:32 | rocko | i thought it ran slow because it didn't utilize both of the processors in the ipod |
08:26:45 | dongs | rocko: a $5000 compiler from arm does insanely better job than gcc ever will |
08:27:01 | rocko | i use vs.net 2005 |
08:27:03 | rocko | it's good. |
08:27:08 | dongs | it is |
08:27:13 | dongs | but its also intel/x86 only |
08:27:13 | rocko | i'm not a fan of microsoft, but it does the job |
08:27:29 | dongs | oh, it does. i'm a fan of microsoft / their software |
08:27:31 | rocko | i'm sure microsoft will put out an x64 version soon |
08:27:34 | dongs | vs2005 is amazing. |
08:27:46 | rocko | i got it for 10 bucks through my school |
08:27:49 | rocko | full version. |
08:27:58 | dongs | unfortunately the most cool improvements are in .net/managed languages |
08:28:09 | rocko | i put it on my laptop ... so much better then 2003. |
08:28:12 | dongs | seems like c/cpp is kinda forgotton but at least the compilers for it are still improved |
08:28:13 | perplexity | dongs why not go and buy that compiler, then compile rockbox.. I'm sure if you did that someone would host the download for you ;) |
08:28:16 | dongs | ton-ten |
08:28:37 | dongs | perplexity: i have it as part of my work. the problem is rockbox used so many retarded gnu-only hacks that its impossible to port. |
08:28:40 | rocko | maybe i should try compiling it |
08:28:45 | rocko | i'm afraid of breaking my ipod though |
08:28:48 | rocko | sheet. |
08:28:55 | dongs | rocko: ipod is not x86. |
08:29:05 | rocko | x64 ? |
08:29:11 | dongs | its 'arm' |
08:29:18 | rocko | ohhh.. |
08:29:26 | perplexity | dongs: Impossible? I doubt that.. perhaps a bit of a chore however.. why not start to make it compilable by other compilers.. I'm sure the devs would be happy to accept portability patches |
08:29:29 | dongs | http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ |
08:30:12 | rocko | where do i buy? |
08:30:22 | dongs | perplexity: ive considered it. arm compilers are for windows (at least the ones we have, since nobody serious actually gives a fuck about linux), and rockbox gnu-junk based builds scripts/makefiles are quite annoying |
08:30:30 | dongs | rocko: you have $5000 laying around? |
08:30:42 | rocko | maybe. |
08:30:53 | rocko | do i have to call? |
08:31:22 | dongs | rocko: http://www.arm.com/products/DevTools/RealViewDevSuite.html |
08:31:22 | scorche` | since nobody serious actually gives a fuck about linux |
08:31:25 | * | scorche` giggles |
08:31:45 | dongs | scorche`: its so funny but its true |
08:31:55 | * | NicP_ gives a fuck about linux :D |
08:32:01 | scorche` | in your opinion |
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08:32:16 | dongs | people try to 'switch to linux' and say they're 'cutting costs' etc but in the long run its a maintenance nightmare |
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08:32:30 | scorche` | but then again, ignore me.....i dont wish to get in one of your pointess and nonsensical arguments |
08:32:37 | dongs | and at the end you get exactly what you pay for |
08:33:06 | rocko | nothing? |
08:33:14 | dongs | yes. |
08:33:24 | rocko | I've had no problems with linux |
08:33:26 | rocko | none at all |
08:33:29 | scorche` | rocko: dont take him too seriously |
08:33:35 | dongs | you're what, a student? |
08:33:37 | rocko | i'm a unix man myself lthough. |
08:33:39 | rocko | me? |
08:33:59 | dongs | have you actually done anything useful with linux in the ENTERPRISE or a CORPORATION with THOUSANDS of employees? |
08:34:17 | perplexity | actually dongs, I've been using Linux full time professionally since 96 on my servers and desktops.. so there are exceptions to the rule.. |
08:34:28 | perplexity | and dongs, yes.. over 5k employees in fact :) |
08:34:36 | scorche` | how many times have we argued this with him? |
08:34:39 | dongs | linux on desktop in 1995, i'd actually pay to see that |
08:34:48 | dongs | just for massive lols. |
08:35:01 | perplexity | '96.. and if you come up with the time machine I'll show you :) |
08:35:07 | NicP | heh |
08:35:12 | NicP | sounds like u work for ms dongs |
08:35:22 | dongs | no, i dont work for 'ms' |
08:35:24 | NicP | i suppose macs suck too? |
08:35:32 | dongs | no, macs are great |
08:35:39 | perplexity | recall that back then plenty of businesses were still running variants of *nix also.. windows was far more of a POS than it is today.. |
08:36:13 | rocko | it's still a pos are you kidding me |
08:36:36 | perplexity | Oh I know it's still a POS.. but 10 years ago it was a far less reliable/functional POS.. |
08:36:45 | perplexity | they are only delivering today what they promised 10 years ago.. |
08:38:27 | dongs | ya well, at least they're delivering |
08:38:35 | dongs | try googling for "desktop linux" + random year |
08:38:37 | dongs | from 1996 to 2006 |
08:38:48 | dongs | every fucking year since thattime has been the 'year of desktop linux" |
08:38:52 | dongs | and i wish i was joking |
08:38:58 | markun | :) |
08:38:59 | NicP | heh |
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08:39:13 | NicP | same with mac tho |
08:39:19 | NicP | people stick to what theyre used to |
08:39:23 | NicP | and what everyone else uses |
08:39:35 | rocko | who cares |
08:39:44 | rocko | dongs obviously has a chip on his shoulder |
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08:39:58 | rocko | probably screwed up his mp3 collection installing linux or something |
08:40:25 | natemic | is there another way to boot your ipod with the apple interface and not the rockbox one? |
08:40:34 | dongs | 'another'? |
08:40:39 | dongs | the one way is hold menu while it boots |
08:40:43 | dongs | does that not work? |
08:40:44 | natemic | yeah, that used to work |
08:40:46 | natemic | now it doesnt |
08:40:48 | natemic | for some reason |
08:40:51 | dongs | really |
08:40:58 | dongs | thats weird. |
08:41:00 | natemic | holding menu and the select button doesnt cause it to hard reset |
08:41:11 | dongs | that sounds bad |
08:41:19 | dongs | is it dead? |
08:41:28 | natemic | no, i can still use the rockbox interface |
08:41:30 | markun | natemic: does the menu button work at all? |
08:41:36 | natemic | yes |
08:41:47 | natemic | it works with the rockbox interface, everything is operational |
08:41:51 | natemic | but i just cant hard reset it |
08:41:52 | dongs | hm |
08:42:00 | dongs | and youre holding menu +select for 6+ seconds? |
08:42:06 | natemic | and if i hold play and turn it off, then back on, holding the menu button doesnt make it go to the ipod one |
08:42:13 | dongs | oh |
08:42:14 | natemic | yes, ive held it for way too long sometimes |
08:43:18 | natemic | i just held the two for about 30+ seconds, and still nothing |
08:43:23 | dongs | hm |
08:43:35 | dongs | how about doesnt plugging usb and then discsonnectin cause a reset? |
08:43:43 | dongs | so hold menu while that happens. |
08:43:54 | natemic | i tried, it still wont boot with the ipod menu |
08:44:46 | natemic | wow, nevermind, i just held play and then held menu and it worked for some reason |
08:44:50 | natemic | i guess its just luck |
08:45:17 | natemic | thank you, though, for the help |
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08:45:32 | scorche` | natemic: it could be from you moving yo |
08:45:34 | scorche` | bleh |
08:46:30 | dongs | huhu |
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09:33:30 | dongs | mhmm |
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09:39:32 | amiconn | hmmm |
09:39:42 | petur | mmhm |
09:43:13 | * | amiconn is undecided whether it would be a good idea to commit his work-in-progress charging state & display rework |
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09:45:20 | JdGordon | do t and put it in undr a false commit msg so no1 realises :D |
09:46:14 | amiconn | It works, however, since it isn't finished yet, it's a slight step back for th h1x0 |
09:47:59 | JdGordon | may as weell wait till u finish it then. no? |
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09:50:47 | JdGordon | hey midkay |
09:51:10 | JdGordon | feel like spicing it up a bit joining #ROCKBOX not #rockbox aye? :p |
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09:54:47 | * | JdGordon hats studying :'( |
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09:56:03 | petur | bah. if firefox stability keeps degrading like this I'm back to IE :/ |
09:56:19 | amiconn | ? |
09:56:22 | JdGordon | opera is better |
09:57:06 | amiconn | Firefox never crashed on me, unlike IE |
09:57:18 | petur | well here it does :( |
09:57:43 | petur | on some sites that use flash or applets |
09:58:00 | petur | and all open windows go hanging |
09:58:18 | Slasheri | on linux firefox is almost unusable because sometimes it crashes multiple times a day. At least Konqueror and Opera works without issues |
09:58:36 | JdGordon | i have no prbles wih fiefox on linux |
09:58:47 | petur | it started doing this with 1.5.0.3 I think |
09:58:56 | * | amiconn didn't experience a single crash of firefox on linux either |
09:59:17 | Slasheri | anyway, i think konqueror is better and faster than firefox so no reason to use it |
09:59:23 | crwl | I don't have crash problems with firefox on linux, but it sometimes gets stuck with 100% CPU usage for up to half a minute |
09:59:46 | amiconn | For me there is a reason... I have no KDE installed, and won't install it |
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10:00:30 | petur | grrr |
10:00:45 | crwl | konqueror is very good, especially now that it has adblock filter support built in (though it's not as good as the firefox extension), but there's still some reasons for me to not use it, but I can't remember them :P |
10:01:20 | JdGordon | is /\ or \/ AND ? |
10:01:23 | amiconn | konqueror itself is good, but I don't like the KDE desktop |
10:02:09 | crwl | well, YMMV :) I couldn't stand using GNOME for a day, it sometimes feels worse than windows 2000, and that is something |
10:02:24 | JdGordon | ?me hates gnome also |
10:02:28 | * | JdGordon ven |
10:02:34 | JdGordon | even even |
10:03:05 | petur | link test 1-2-3 |
10:03:30 | JdGordon | failed |
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10:06:52 | petur | btw, I think /| is AND |
10:07:07 | petur | /\ even |
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10:07:17 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
10:07:50 | * | petur hasn't used that notation since he left school |
10:07:54 | Jungti1234 | help |
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10:08:34 | Jungti1234 | How can I appoint position of letter? |
10:10:45 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
10:10:54 | Jungti1234 | oops, In WPS |
10:12:23 | JdGordon | u can really only get the row.. not colum... |
10:12:42 | Jungti1234 | %al%s%m|45|205| %?it<%it|%fn> |
10:12:44 | Jungti1234 | no? |
10:13:52 | Jungti1234 | dinner |
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10:24:49 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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10:25:22 | Jungti1234 | Isn't it right? |
10:26:10 | JdGordon | dunno.. |
10:27:35 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
10:27:48 | JdGordon | ta petur, didnt see your reply.. |
10:27:53 | Jungti1234 | Where can I find it? |
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10:48:42 | Jungti1234 | help me........ |
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10:53:47 | Matze | hello there :) |
10:54:34 | markun | hi Matze |
10:55:25 | Jungti1234 | hi |
10:55:40 | Matze | i have a question: i'm currently "trying" to port TileWorld (you see a feature request) to rockbox... well maybe i'll never finish but i hope to learn a lot out of this try... my first big problem is with the makefile, i just copied the one from Chessbox and made the neccessary changes (correct sourcefiles, right name for the output files)... this seems to work, but is this the right way? Is there any documentation on making makefiles for rb pl |
10:57:10 | Matze | next problem is, that i've made it telling me something about that he wants to make widgets.h but he doesnt have the target for that... i just included PLUGIN_HEADER and the neccessary plugin loading code into the main file, with inclusion of plugin.h. where is my mistake? :) maybe anyone of you knows just by this description |
10:59:53 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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11:00:22 | Jungti1234 | Does that fit to Experimental Build? |
11:01:33 | Matze | ? that has nothing to do with the experimental build... ah well, i use the original cvs source.. |
11:04:54 | Jungti1234 | me, me. |
11:05:00 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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11:13:05 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you think I should commit the jpg frontpage? The size of the h120 manual 986K with that. |
11:15:05 | tucoz | heck. I commit it. We keep the png in cvs for future use. The jpg artifacts are almost non existing. |
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11:37:49 | bluebrother | tucoz, just noticed your commit. |
11:37:59 | bluebrother | really nice :) |
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11:40:44 | tucoz | Yes. the manual download is getting less intimidating in terms of size |
11:41:34 | bluebrother | just looked over the actual daily build page. Really nice, especially as the h300 manual is now nearly as big as the others. |
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11:42:09 | tucoz | Yes. I have been thinking of a size reduction some time, but didn't know what to do. |
11:42:48 | bluebrother | I was discussing this reduction some time ago, but there were some objections to use a lossy format for a bitmap ... |
11:42:58 | bluebrother | but I think for now it's the best solution. |
11:44:02 | amiconn | I'd rather use a vector version of the logo if available |
11:44:04 | tucoz | Not optimal, but good enough imo. At least if it makes more people download the manual. |
11:44:15 | bluebrother | ACK. |
11:44:36 | tucoz | Yes. I think a vector version of the logo would be nicest. |
11:45:15 | amiconn | jpeg for a logo is a terrible misuse, imo |
11:45:34 | tucoz | hehe. It is. |
11:45:54 | bluebrother | the only thing that could people still refrain from downloading the manual is the page number ;-) |
11:46:09 | bluebrother | hehe. I knew amiconn wouldn't like this. |
11:46:22 | tucoz | but a logo that is one third of the size of the manual is also misue (of KB) |
11:46:30 | tucoz | misuse |
11:46:49 | amiconn | yeah, true |
11:47:04 | bluebrother | I really need to search for vector solutions for latex ... |
11:47:12 | amiconn | But I wouldn't care about a few 100KBs of size difference |
11:47:46 | bluebrother | maybe the "new logo" discussion on the forums lead to someone rebuilding the logo as svg. |
11:47:57 | tucoz | me neither. Later on, we should be able to produce a print-manual, and a on-line manual. |
11:48:47 | tucoz | just by using pdflatex, and it's options. However, I have failed so far with that. |
11:49:25 | tucoz | so the current situation is sub-optimal. Then again, the manual is still a draft :D |
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11:49:30 | bluebrother | I would care about the size if I'm on a slow connection (which happens sometimes −− 56kbit is really painful) or on a slow computer |
11:49:50 | tucoz | 56kbit is the stoneage |
11:50:25 | bluebrother | when I'm at my parents I only have a analogue telephone line. |
11:50:45 | tucoz | I know what you mean. |
11:51:01 | bluebrother | which doesn't happen too often, but then I cut down my internet activities to an absolutely minimum |
11:51:13 | bluebrother | waiting to get back to my fast network ;-) |
11:51:31 | tucoz | you're at your parents now? |
11:51:45 | bluebrother | no, I'm at university |
11:51:54 | tucoz | oh. I get it :) |
11:52:19 | bluebrother | but I don't have my machine with me, so using irssi with putty |
11:52:46 | tucoz | You use windows at your uni? |
11:52:49 | bluebrother | which I haven't managed to recognize highlighting. |
11:52:54 | bluebrother | Yeah, I need to. |
11:53:07 | bluebrother | Programming environment is w32-only |
11:53:20 | tucoz | ok |
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11:55:03 | tucoz | xgl/compiz is fun :) |
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11:55:15 | rockbox | hey guys |
11:55:33 | tucoz | hi rockbox |
11:55:45 | rockbox | need help here - just installed bootloader on ipod nano and now i cant turn it on and it wont show up as a hard disk or anything |
11:55:49 | rockbox | what do i do to fix it? |
11:55:59 | JdGordon | throw it against the wall.. |
11:56:07 | * | JdGordon had the same problem and that fixed it |
11:56:15 | rockbox | no really - it isnt mine either haha |
11:56:23 | JdGordon | woops.. wrong indow :p |
11:56:23 | rockbox | ipodpatcher doesnt recognise it |
11:56:25 | petur | reset it? |
11:56:32 | rockbox | hows that |
11:56:45 | tucoz | isn't it possible to enter diskmode somehow on the ipods? |
11:56:51 | rockbox | cool how |
11:56:53 | tucoz | by holding menu or something |
11:57:06 | tucoz | not sure |
11:57:27 | rockbox | :S |
11:57:35 | petur | isn't this mentioned in the wiki? |
11:57:41 | tucoz | have you searched the wiki? |
11:58:23 | rockbox | phew fixed it |
11:58:25 | bluebrother | I have only tried the compose extension yet. |
11:58:25 | rockbox | panic over |
11:58:30 | rockbox | loooooove you guys lol |
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11:58:51 | petur | rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#g_Testing">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#g_Testing |
11:59:04 | tucoz | bluebrother, it's really neat. But, it feels a bit unstable. |
11:59:15 | tucoz | Like the cube and rotate |
11:59:25 | bluebrother | perhaps my graphics card is a bit slow −− radeon 7500 |
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12:00:02 | tucoz | might be. I think the next version of x.org will take care of that. |
12:00:40 | bluebrother | xorg 7.1 has aiglx I read. Still waiting for packages for my distro ;-) |
12:01:22 | tucoz | that was the stuff I was thinking about. |
12:01:55 | bluebrother | for now I'm pretty happy mostly everything is working. Even hibernate :) |
12:02:17 | tucoz | you run fedora right? |
12:02:22 | bluebrother | yup. |
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12:02:44 | bluebrother | tried debian some years ago but didn't like it at all. |
12:02:47 | tucoz | ok. I tried hibernate once (ubuntu dapper). Weird things happend |
12:03:04 | bluebrother | but ubuntu is on my to-try-list |
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12:03:29 | bluebrother | maybe I should really consider getting a used machine for playing stuff. |
12:03:39 | bluebrother | but gentoo is another distro I wanted to try. |
12:03:46 | perplexity | I just migrated ubuntu dapper from the in-kernel suspend to suspend2 and hibernate works a treat.. |
12:03:46 | tucoz | I like it. I used to use suse, but that always failed somehow after a while |
12:03:56 | bluebrother | damn, I need more money. And more time ;-) |
12:04:01 | tucoz | :) |
12:04:10 | bluebrother | I left Suse behind over 5 years ago. |
12:04:26 | bluebrother | too bad IBM sold their laptop stuff :'-( |
12:04:51 | tucoz | yast was really bad at the time I used it. |
12:05:12 | tucoz | apt is so good |
12:05:41 | bluebrother | fedora's yum is also really great. |
12:05:53 | bluebrother | I used apt for quite a while on my old rh-box. |
12:05:57 | tucoz | ah. so I've heard. |
12:07:43 | bluebrother | damn. |
12:08:43 | tucoz | what? |
12:09:33 | bluebrother | it's always the same. You're coding and then there comes that "but ... we also need a new feature". And it breaks mostly everything. |
12:10:27 | tucoz | annoying, yes. |
12:14:35 | bluebrother | sometimes it's a nice idea to delete windows temporary files. |
12:15:01 | bluebrother | "catastrophic" compiler errors are gone ... windows is strange. |
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13:00:33 | bluebrother | symlink it |
13:00:40 | bluebrother | ln -s |
13:02:57 | bluebrother | or create a mapping in your httpd.conf |
13:03:28 | JdGordon | oh damn.. ln -s worked :p |
13:03:30 | JdGordon | thanx |
13:04:29 | bluebrother | :D |
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13:50:46 | Hansmaulwurf | :(, i have only 71 MB free on my player :( |
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13:56:36 | tempi | howdy, dear hackers! |
13:57:24 | tempi | i got an ipod with a broken 1.8" disk in it. since i want to use the ipod only for testing, i wonder what the cheapest way would be to connect ANY kind of storage to the ipod - it does not have to fit into the case. |
13:58:21 | tempi | i am looking for 1.8-to.2.5" IDE adapters but can't find one in this direction (they are all the other way around: to connect an 1.8" disk to a 2.5 or 3.5 host) |
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14:06:52 | petur | tempi: find a broken ipod with a working disk? |
14:07:12 | tempi | not at an affordable price... |
14:07:32 | tempi | my hope is to find a adapter so that i can connect either a CF-card or a 2.5 drive to the ipod |
14:07:59 | tempi | i've got plenty of 2.5" drives here |
14:18:40 | preglow | aren't those "a bit" too big? |
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14:18:49 | preglow | right |
14:18:49 | preglow | haha |
14:18:51 | preglow | forget me |
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14:31:35 | Genre9mp3 | I just noticed a ".glyphcache" file in my rockbox dir....what exactly is that? |
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14:34:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's for unicode I believe. |
14:35:32 | Genre9mp3 | So it's a cache for glyphs of the unifont.fnt, right? |
14:35:44 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: It caches the least recently used unicode positions so rockbox can preload those glyphs at next boot |
14:36:18 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
14:36:21 | Genre9mp3 | thanx |
14:44:25 | tucoz | why are we shipping two tetris clones? |
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14:47:15 | amiconn | tucoz: Good question. I even thought we disabled rockblox when going through the manual |
14:47:35 | tucoz | so I saw in the bug-report :). |
14:47:45 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: the manual for rockblox is afaik back online |
14:47:53 | amiconn | That's why I thought it should be removed, until someone pointed ou tthat rockblox is still included |
14:48:12 | amiconn | Still I think rockblox should be removed beofre release |
14:48:48 | tucoz | Me too. Guess that is a pretty quick operation anyway. |
14:49:55 | JdGordon | booored |
14:50:14 | JdGordon | and beer s finished :'( |
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14:59:44 | bluebrother | tucoz, you noticed your last commit breaks all other ondio-specific screenshots? |
14:59:58 | tucoz | really? grrr :) |
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15:00:07 | bluebrother | i.e. all that I commited some days ago. |
15:00:08 | tucoz | of cource |
15:00:12 | tucoz | course |
15:00:17 | bluebrother | we just need to rename them. |
15:00:37 | tucoz | Hmm. What to do? Rename and duplicate? |
15:02:06 | bluebrother | would be the fastest solution. |
15:02:29 | bluebrother | Except from the fact I don't like the duplication, but it's "only" ~15 pictures. |
15:03:11 | tucoz | Me neither. But, for this I think it's ok |
15:03:25 | tucoz | Ok, I'll fix it then |
15:04:04 | bluebrother | wc tells me it's only 11, so I think this is ok |
15:04:11 | tucoz | good |
15:04:14 | bluebrother | good :) |
15:04:59 | markun | nice try wiki spammer.. |
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15:09:17 | amiconn | tucoz: Would it be possible to only split the screenshots which are really different, i.e. have some screenshots identical for more than 1 manual? |
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15:09:42 | tucoz | Yes. That is how we do it most of the time |
15:10:01 | tucoz | as long as the resolutionxbpp is identical |
15:11:32 | tucoz | and bluebrother introduced a new feature recently, where we can split by target as well. Like my recent commit with the main-menu. It has recording/fm-radio for the fm, but not for the sp. Still, same resxbpp |
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15:13:07 | amiconn | Yes. Some screenshots will even be identical across 5 targets (all archos targets except player) |
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15:13:52 | tucoz | Exactly. And the ipod4g and iriverh1xx share the same screenshots now. |
15:15:41 | bluebrother | currently we have a 3 step fallback. Look for an image <basename>-<resolution>-<device>. If not found try <basename>-<resolution>, so all targets that have identical screenshots will use that. If none of them found print a "not found" text, so the manual could still be built |
15:16:36 | bluebrother | which means that adding a screenshot that's different from say h100 for the 4g is only a matter of adding a new file with the appropriate <device>. |
15:17:50 | bluebrother | unfortunately this means we need to split ondiofm and ondiosp on all places where they differ from the resolution screenshot. |
15:18:42 | tucoz | it's not so bad. Several of the screenshots are either radio or recording. -> no duplicates |
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15:41:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | bluebrother: Does the manual tell people to get fonts from www.rockbox.org/fonts/ ? |
15:43:26 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, RTFM :D |
15:44:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Baaaah |
15:44:12 | tucoz | I don't think that it is in the manual yet |
15:44:14 | tucoz | hehe |
15:44:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone said they were directed to get the fonts there from the pdf manual |
15:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | And apparently the hebrew fonts there at least don't work with the hebrew language file anymore |
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15:44:47 | tucoz | Oh. That might be true. I thought you meant the font-package |
15:44:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | 7.1.1 |
15:44:56 | tucoz | the new one that is |
15:45:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Points to rockbox.org/fonts/">http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/ |
15:45:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is apparently bad |
15:45:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since they don't work right. Hehehe |
15:45:22 | tucoz | yep. I can fix that. Should I point to the download package? |
15:45:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | The daily builds page, since the package's filename changes with the date. |
15:46:05 | tucoz | ok |
15:46:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should always be the last entry in the Daily Builds table, right after the Source download, I believe |
15:46:51 | tucoz | wonder what to do about the langs link |
15:47:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aren't all languages included in Rockbox anyway? |
15:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I must admit, I'm not terribly familiar with the localization options. |
15:47:57 | tucoz | I thought so. But, this might be in the case that you use a released version and a new/updated translation of that version is released. |
15:48:28 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: The /fonts/ url is waaay outdated. All the non-iso8859-1 fonts available there won't work correctly since the introduction of utf-8 |
15:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I figured. |
15:49:10 | amiconn | Some "historic" sub-folders on www.rockbox.org need cleanup |
15:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Hmmm... Maybe mention that those localizations are _only_ for release builds, and that if you're using a daily / CVS download the newest translations will automatically be included, and the ones there may be invalid. |
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15:49:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Oddly enough, the simplest guide I've found to compiling is this, despite being out of date: rockbox.org/docs/how_to_compile.html">http://www.rockbox.org/docs/how_to_compile.html |
15:49:59 | amiconn | What translations? |
15:50:13 | tucoz | amiconn, over at www.rockbox.org/lang |
15:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know, those could be up to date |
15:50:34 | tucoz | wouldn't know for sure what they are |
15:50:41 | amiconn | All the translations are included in all rockbox packages since I don't remember when... |
15:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have no idea what the ones in that folder are, and it's possible we just shouldn't point people to them |
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15:51:46 | amiconn | oops. |
15:52:17 | tucoz | So it is pointless asking people to go to a page for .lang downloads? |
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15:55:35 | tucoz | amiconn, do you know what the www.rockbox.org/lang folder is used for? |
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15:58:28 | tucoz | amiconn, Paul_The_Nerd. Is this ok? http://pastebin.com/762314 |
15:58:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Looks great to me. |
15:59:11 | tucoz | good |
15:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's always disconcerting when someones problem was caused by the fact that they _did_ read the manual. ;-) |
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16:00:25 | tucoz | Yes. That is not good. I'm glad we have the draft stamp on the manual though. |
16:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very definitely |
16:00:41 | tucoz | as a sorts of disclaimer |
16:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still need to familiarize myself with the manual a little better. I plan to print out hardcopies of the manuals for the units I have and go over them sometime later this week, once I'm done with my classwork. |
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16:06:09 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
16:06:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently "kamalneet" is blaming Rockbox for what happened to his iPod. |
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16:06:24 | tucoz | hehe |
16:06:52 | Hansmaulwurf | print all 100 pages? |
16:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | He changed it so his iPod entered deep sleep in 15 minutes while in retail. So, he plugged it into a wall in Retail, it went into deep sleep after finishing charging, then endlessly rebooted for many hours. |
16:07:21 | tucoz | you can print it with 4 pages on each sheet of paper. Like a booklet |
16:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: I find it easier to edit when I can scribble notes onto the paper while at a 24-hour restaurant. |
16:07:48 | Hansmaulwurf | thats true, but i would exclude the pictures |
16:08:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Draft quality grayscale printing at maximum speed. |
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16:08:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I almost never use my printer these days anyway. |
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16:09:33 | dalong | hi |
16:10:51 | tucoz | ho |
16:11:16 | amiconn | tucoz: .lng not .lang |
16:11:22 | dalong | can anybody help me. i have installed rockbox on ipod nano, then i selected "bliss" theme, and then choodsed clear backdrops as a resylt menu is black now - black bacgroun - black font |
16:11:24 | amiconn | .lang are the source files |
16:11:32 | tucoz | ok. thanks. I'll fix |
16:11:50 | dalong | now i can reset rockbox settings ? |
16:12:24 | dalong | or in what config file i can change these settings? |
16:12:27 | petur | dalong: boot it with hold on |
16:12:33 | Febs | Main menu −−> reset settings |
16:12:50 | dalong | the result is the same, setting do not changes |
16:12:59 | petur | Febs: if you can read it... |
16:13:08 | tucoz | dalong, do what petur says |
16:13:13 | dalong | 2Febs - i cannot see these menu items : ) |
16:14:20 | dalong | petur, tucoz thx a lot !!! :) |
16:14:39 | tucoz | bbl |
16:18:24 | Febs | Sorry, I flipped to the IRC window right as he asked the reset question and I didn't see the prior point about black on black. ;) |
16:19:07 | petur | I'm going to add a protection to that if I get the time ;) |
16:19:25 | petur | the color matching I mean, not the IRC flipping :p |
16:19:31 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
16:19:38 | amiconn | There already is a protection |
16:19:39 | dalong | it would be cool :) khkhkh |
16:19:47 | petur | there is? |
16:19:53 | amiconn | You can't set background & foreground to the same colour |
16:19:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | How protective is it? |
16:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, if you pick black, and near-black... |
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16:20:29 | amiconn | There are 2 cases were it doesn't prevent from going to invisible text: |
16:20:37 | amiconn | (1) Loading from .cfg |
16:20:37 | petur | amiconn: in the color picker or the config routine itself? |
16:20:55 | amiconn | (2) Choosing a foreground that is invisible on your choses background _picture_ |
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16:21:09 | petur | (2) is hard to fix |
16:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very hard |
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16:21:50 | Mikachu | the selector bar should still make the text visible in that case |
16:22:03 | Dyegov | Hi |
16:22:10 | amiconn | (2) is practically impossible to fix, and I'm not sure about (1) |
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16:22:30 | amiconn | Mikachu: It doesn't. The selctor just switches foreground & background |
16:22:32 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: i think for (1) it is the same as for (2) |
16:22:36 | Mikachu | amiconn: i meant about (2) |
16:22:51 | amiconn | Mikachu: Same for (2) |
16:23:19 | Mikachu | does the selector bar make the text colored by the background picture? |
16:23:33 | amiconn | No. |
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16:24:02 | Mikachu | if bg and fg are completely different colors, but fg and the picture are near, then the selector bar should make it visible |
16:24:05 | amiconn | Rather, yes |
16:24:16 | amiconn | Nope |
16:24:32 | amiconn | The background picture *is* the background if it exists |
16:24:47 | amiconn | The bg colour isn't used at all in that case |
16:24:50 | Mikachu | okay |
16:25:08 | XavierGr | if the user manages to select the same colour for fg and bg there is always the reset settings option. |
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16:25:45 | XavierGr | (at boot time) |
16:28:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think too much protection against user mistakes is wasteful |
16:29:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | You need something complicated to deal with the backdrop situation, and it requires them to take action to cause the problem. They can always reset and do it right. |
16:30:21 | stamppot | Hi guys! |
16:30:22 | amiconn | I agree that the reset option is sufficient. But ending up with unreadable text isn't always the user's fault |
16:30:32 | stamppot | Anything I can do to help get Rockbox 3.0 out the door? |
16:30:34 | petur | maybe we must force theme files to always specify fg/bg colors if they specify a backdrop |
16:30:45 | stamppot | Verify bugs? Do stuff for the manual? |
16:30:46 | dalong | and one mpre question :) can anybody to share his eqs presets? |
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16:30:56 | amiconn | It can also happen when he loads a theme that doesn't specify all 3 setting(fg colour, bg colour, and bg picture) |
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16:31:24 | petur | amiconn: :) |
16:32:38 | amiconn | Hmm, that reminds me: (1) Is it possible to explicitly specify "no background picture" in a .cfg (I think it is) and (2) Does loading such a .cfg file when there is currently a background loaded unload the background picture (not sure about this one)? |
16:33:04 | Matixs | Hello, i have one question. When iam updating tagcache, rockbox freeze on entry number 255. How i can find out which track it is ? |
16:33:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I always felt that we should instead require people to specify font color in all themes. The only ones that really don't are the ones that assume black. |
16:33:22 | petur | amiconn: I think I fixed the backdrop clearing some time ago |
16:33:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Also, I feel that if you set BG color, it should clear backdrop, as a way for themes to remove backdrops. Since I don't think there is a way for a .cfg to clear one yet. |
16:36:16 | tucoz | stamppot, although we appreciate manual work, the manual is not critical in terms of a 3.0 release |
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16:37:03 | * | petur notices the manual gets most commits these days... |
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16:39:27 | Hansmaulwurf | 3.0 will be released after the battery thing on the H300 is fixed right? |
16:39:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kinda under debate |
16:40:13 | stamppot | tucoz: understood, but if you have anything else to do... |
16:41:07 | Matixs | Have anyone solution on my problem? When I am updating tagcache, rockbox freeze on entry number 255. How i can find out which track it is ? |
16:41:15 | stamppot | Hansmaulwurf: what battery thing? |
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16:44:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: Remove half of the new songs you added. Then rebuild it cleanly after deleting. If it doesn't freeze, it's in that half. Add half of that back, try again, repeat until it freezes and you've narrowed down the field |
16:44:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Keep doing that with groups you know fail until you've narrowed it down to 1 |
16:44:45 | preglow | rockbox.org/tracker/task/5329">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5329 |
16:44:48 | preglow | should i close this? |
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16:46:55 | Matixs | Paul_The_Nerd Iam still using itunes, and i dont remember, which a added yesterday. How tagcache work? Scan directories from beginning A to directory which begin Z ? |
16:48:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: I don't know what order it scans. |
16:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Probably, yeah |
16:50:45 | preglow | also, there's an ipod bug marked 3.0 critical |
16:51:16 | bluebrother | i guess that bug must be a bug then ;-) |
16:51:33 | bluebrother | (assuming it doesn't affect the release targets) |
16:51:55 | preglow | rockbox.org/tracker/task/4941">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4941 |
16:52:38 | bluebrother | ah, reported for h300 too. |
16:52:48 | preglow | ehh |
16:52:53 | * | bluebrother starts trying tagcache with the actual build |
16:52:53 | preglow | data aborts don't occur on coldfire |
16:52:59 | preglow | they're an arm thing |
16:53:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a prefetch abort though? |
16:53:10 | preglow | yes, i know, i'm a turd |
16:53:15 | preglow | prefetch aborts are also arm only |
16:53:59 | preglow | so it should be filed in its own bug report, i guess |
16:54:09 | preglow | thought it _might_ indicate a crosstarget bug |
16:54:14 | bluebrother | ah, the reporter states as "almost fixed" −− large album art in the tags. |
16:54:28 | * | bluebrother should read tasks completely first |
16:54:43 | Matixs | Im my case, no error, simply rockbox freeze |
16:55:19 | Matixs | But i have many songs with album art |
16:56:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Matixs: You need to simply figure out which songs you added, or strip the album art off the songs already on the player |
16:56:54 | Matixs | Yes, which song is "bad" |
16:56:55 | _FireFly_ | Matixs: you could find out via the create time of the files which you have added recently to your player |
16:57:19 | preglow | a distinct lack of bugs i'm qualified to fix quickly |
16:58:46 | bluebrother | wtf? I can't find the "force tagcache update" anymore. Has it been moved? |
16:58:55 | Matixs | Now i move all directories (about 300MB each) |
16:59:16 | Matixs | But your idea _FireFly_ is better :) |
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17:00:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | bluebrother: It was moved to the "File View" menu |
17:00:34 | bluebrother | ah, ok. I guess I'll update that in the manual now ... |
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17:04:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder... could TagCache be expanded to a more general metadata thing? For example, doesn't JPEG have EXIF or something, that could potentially be cached and sorted? Just... an idea that floated through just now. |
17:04:36 | amiconn | Doesn't make sense *imo* |
17:05:18 | amiconn | Rockbox is primarily a dap firmware. All that jpeg viewing, game plugins etc are just addons |
17:05:35 | Hansmaulwurf | (stamppot) Hansmaulwurf: what battery thing? <−−−− the battery consumption on the H300 series with rockbox is very bad |
17:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Fair enough, but we have the "Supported" file view, which shows all files in viewers.config, and it made me think of it. |
17:07:13 | Hansmaulwurf | and i think noone knows the reason |
17:08:29 | stamppot | Hmmm, haven't compared it to the iRiver version in a long long time (it's been a long long time since I booted that one... :) |
17:08:34 | stamppot | How bad is it? |
17:08:52 | preglow | pretty bad |
17:08:57 | preglow | more or less halves battery time, afaik |
17:09:34 | stamppot | Hmmm.... |
17:09:52 | Hansmaulwurf | maybe its the bad iriver hardware architecture ;) |
17:09:59 | stamppot | I usually run it off a charger, that's why I didn't notice, probably... |
17:10:06 | amiconn | The bad thing is that it's most probably caused by some uninitialised hardware |
17:10:23 | amiconn | ..and the degree of badness also seems to vary from unit to unit |
17:10:47 | stamppot | Amiconn: do you want that quantified? |
17:10:56 | amiconn | I got slightly more than half the playtime I would expect in a runtime test |
17:11:04 | Hansmaulwurf | like the ticking with the H100 |
17:11:13 | Hansmaulwurf | vary from unit to unit |
17:11:20 | amiconn | (11 hours instead of 19) |
17:11:23 | amiconn | Other people reported even worse runtimes |
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17:11:47 | stamppot | Best way to test this is? Battery_bench? |
17:11:49 | Hansmaulwurf | amiconn: i this the last bug that is holding 3.0 off? |
17:11:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hansmaulwurf: Varies from remote to remote. I used to not have the ticking, broke my remote, ordered a replacement, and it ticked very very very badly. |
17:12:19 | amiconn | Hansmaulwurf: The ticking is a design/production flaw in the irivers. It varies from unit to unit and can't be fixed in software, only reduced |
17:12:26 | preglow | hmmm |
17:12:41 | preglow | recording section of the manual needs updating after i implemented spdif recording |
17:12:54 | amiconn | Hansmaulwurf: No it's not. If the power issue were the only remaining bug, I'd vote for excluding the H300 from 3.0 |
17:14:29 | preglow | argh |
17:14:43 | preglow | quite a number of bugs are reported by anonymous people who stop responding to their bugs |
17:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that is quite frustrating |
17:14:54 | preglow | do we still allow anonymous bug reports? |
17:15:00 | Hansmaulwurf | ah ok, just thought it because in the mailing list the power issue was the only thing i read |
17:15:01 | preglow | i think we should stop |
17:15:04 | preglow | and that as soon as possible |
17:15:10 | stamppot | preglow: according to flyspray, you do... |
17:17:39 | bluebrother | preglow, I second that. People who want to report bugs seriously won't refrain from it by the extra step of registering |
17:18:24 | preglow | indeed |
17:18:28 | bluebrother | tucoz, it seems \opt is inserting extra spaces. Have you noticed that before? |
17:18:32 | preglow | and they'll be notified when we need further info |
17:19:13 | * | stamppot is away: get some food |
17:20:47 | pondlife | I've been attempting to investigate rockbox.org/tracker/task/5486">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5486 - this is actually a nasty crash, not just voice stopping. |
17:22:02 | pondlife | Unfortunately I'm a bit stumped in playback.c. Who knows that code..? lostlogic? hardeep? Anyone else fancy a go.? |
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17:22:33 | preglow | haha |
17:22:38 | preglow | lostlogic's pretty much it |
17:22:56 | preglow | how's it crash? |
17:23:32 | preglow | i see |
17:23:44 | pondlife | Yes, but I think that may just be the sim... |
17:24:22 | pondlife | I guess I should be testing the new logf patch and running on the device. |
17:24:47 | pondlife | But my reset switch is broken, so it's not something I want to click too often! |
17:24:54 | preglow | ahaha, ouch |
17:25:01 | preglow | that's a bit of a bummer indeed |
17:25:10 | pondlife | One day soon it's going to vanish into the case. |
17:25:55 | pondlife | Voiced dirs/files seems to be the root of most crashes. |
17:26:32 | pondlife | But I'm finding it tough going in here - sems like there should be a mechanism to prevent a codec being swapped out whilst it's still executing. |
17:26:41 | Hansmaulwurf | i have the same problem with the reset button, i solved it that I made the hole bigger with a borer |
17:27:17 | pondlife | Good idea - although I'm a bit clumsy with power tools ;-) |
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17:35:21 | lostlogic | pondlife: I can help you investigate it if you want, but still seem to be kept busy with real life and real job |
17:36:04 | preglow | pondlife: a codec being swapped while it's executing sounds somewhat unlikely |
17:36:24 | preglow | lostlogic: what, your activities here are imaginary? ;) |
17:37:05 | lostlogic | pondlife: I know that pressing stop while voice is playing causes crashage (it's noted on that wiki page I have about playback) |
17:37:54 | lostlogic | pondlife: and I think it has to do with the sequence of events that must take place when stop is pressed in order for both codecs ot end up stopped |
17:38:19 | lostlogic | something like the music codec ends up stopping first and then the voice tries to swap to a codec that's not running any more or something stupid like that |
17:38:43 | pondlife | lostlogic: sorry, was on kettle duty |
17:39:10 | pondlife | I'm just trying to get my head arond some basic concepts |
17:39:13 | lostlogic | I have an incomplete patch that might help with some issues in the codec swapping if you're interested in taking a look |
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17:39:47 | pondlife | Hmm, I think I need to know what I'm doing first - I'll look at it for educational purposes, but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing |
17:39:54 | pondlife | and I have very little knowledge |
17:41:14 | pondlife | If you want to mail it over to me, you can send it to liamDOT kunjATntlworld DOTCOM |
17:41:28 | lostlogic | rockbox/threading.playback.patch">http://www.lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/threading.playback.patch |
17:41:59 | lostlogic | the original reason I started doing that was in the interest of fixing voice vs. audio early initialization or something |
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17:42:35 | chrisntr | Hey |
17:42:49 | preglow | hello |
17:43:08 | pondlife | lostlogic: I know you don't use the sim much (at all?) but do you know if the sim uses different methods for codec handling than the device? |
17:43:16 | chrisntr | I compiled ipod_fw.c and it created ipod_fw but it's not executable or a command:( |
17:43:43 | pondlife | I don't think it should, but the way it uses _temp_codec.dll suggests otherwise |
17:44:13 | preglow | chrisntr: platform? |
17:44:23 | chrisntr | Ubuntu 6.06 |
17:44:36 | preglow | chrisntr: did you do ./ipod_fw or ipod_fw? |
17:45:00 | chrisntr | I ran gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
17:45:07 | preglow | yes, but to execute |
17:45:14 | chrisntr | ah right, ipod_fw |
17:45:16 | preglow | yes |
17:45:18 | preglow | use ./ipod_fw |
17:45:19 | chrisntr | i'll try ./ipod_fw |
17:45:24 | preglow | ubuntu doesn't path . by default |
17:45:33 | preglow | like most other linux distros |
17:45:51 | chrisntr | preglow: bingo, cheers :) |
17:45:57 | preglow | np, hehe |
17:46:10 | chrisntr | Anyway to make . by default? |
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17:47:10 | lostlogic | pondlife: no, same |
17:47:16 | lostlogic | pondlife: the differences don't start until below the pcmbuffer |
17:48:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should be an option to adjust the watermark in the PCM Buffer, like there is with the compressed one.. |
17:48:09 | pondlife | OK |
17:48:28 | tucoz | bluebrother, no. I haven't noticed that |
17:48:31 | lostlogic | pondlife: I'm thinking that my think on the problem of the audio codec shutting down before the voice codec and ending up with the swap call being done wrong is probably right in some vague way... still not clear on the code path that gets us there though |
17:48:58 | pondlife | One real basic problem I'm getting is that dram_buf[0] is being used before it's initialised - this gives me a seg fault. |
17:49:16 | bluebrother | tucoz, also using \dap\ with additional following spaces seem to produce unwanted space :( |
17:49:29 | pondlife | I'm doubting that I'm even building the sim correctly! (Only found about about make install yesterday.) |
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17:49:42 | bluebrother | I'm looking over the code stuff in the ipod installation section. |
17:49:52 | lostlogic | pondlife: well that should be corrected... who uses it that early? |
17:49:59 | tucoz | bluebrother, isn't that becuase the last \ in \dap\ esacpes one space? |
17:50:24 | bluebrother | I guess, but I haven't looked into it further. |
17:50:25 | pondlife | lostlogic: I'm just getting a backtrace, will let you know shortly |
17:50:44 | bluebrother | I just noticed that we could also use \dap{}, which doesn't give this additional space. |
17:51:05 | tucoz | oh. Cool. |
17:51:19 | bluebrother | otoh, \dap. and \dap{}. differ in the way that the 2nd has a tiny bit more space between the dap and the dot. |
17:51:33 | bluebrother | I guess it's the kerning not being applied in that case. |
17:51:45 | * | tucoz wonders what kerning is |
17:52:12 | Galois | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning |
17:52:13 | tucoz | I found it |
17:52:13 | bluebrother | I'm still looking how this works exactly, but if this is the way I think atm using \dap{} would be preferable to \dap\ |
17:52:15 | tucoz | :) |
17:52:16 | preglow | spacing two characters |
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17:52:36 | bluebrother | kerning shrinks the space between two characters if its appropriate. |
17:52:46 | preglow | or expands |
17:52:54 | bluebrother | say, AV −− you can shrink the space to make it look better. |
17:52:58 | tucoz | interesting |
17:52:59 | preglow | usually not expands, though |
17:53:21 | preglow | not something you usually think about, each font has a kerning table that gets used |
17:54:02 | tucoz | We should only use \dap\ when followed by a space. \dap otherwise. |
17:54:17 | tucoz | preglow, ok. Never heard the word before. |
17:54:38 | bluebrother | similar to the ligatures (is this the correct term?) like fl −− on most fonts you can set fl as one character, so the f "flows" directly into the l |
17:55:00 | preglow | ligatures is corret |
17:55:04 | preglow | correct too |
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17:56:01 | bluebrother | I just translated the german word for it ;-) |
17:58:07 | tucoz | ligature is according to wikipedia "a device, similar to a tourniquet, usually of thread or string, tied around a limb, blood vessel or similar to restrict blood flow" :) |
17:58:11 | preglow | it's the same in all languages i know of |
17:58:25 | tucoz | the medicine term that is |
17:59:26 | bluebrother | try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligature_%28typography%29 ;-) |
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17:59:54 | tucoz | reading that as we speak |
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18:02:34 | pondlife | Blimey - a complete CVS get takes a while now...! |
18:02:40 | bluebrother | tucoz, http://pastebin.com/762616 |
18:02:54 | bluebrother | my current idea of the ipod code sections. |
18:04:02 | tucoz | coolness. That is one of things that was missing. Does that handle opts as well? |
18:04:38 | bluebrother | coolness? |
18:04:50 | tucoz | as in that is cool :) |
18:05:22 | bluebrother | what'd you mean? The typography stuff? |
18:05:29 | bluebrother | or my code environment? |
18:05:42 | tucoz | hehe. I meant your the 'code'-env. |
18:06:18 | bluebrother | ok, then I'll go on with that. |
18:06:29 | tucoz | if it is possible to write \begin{code} \opt{foo}{bar} bla bla bla \end{code} |
18:06:40 | bluebrother | should be nice for the manual iriver installation as well |
18:06:56 | tucoz | and that the opt is not written verbatim |
18:07:04 | bluebrother | possible, but not supported yet. Should I add it? |
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18:08:23 | tucoz | It's not many places where we would need that. But, in the wps section I edited some days ago that would have been good. |
18:08:49 | tucoz | As one of the tags was only valid for a specific opt |
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18:12:12 | PaulJam | preglow: i think the main reason why there are no answers to annonymous bugreports is, that you can't post a comment to a bugreport annonymously. |
18:14:41 | preglow | marvelous |
18:14:50 | preglow | a nice reason to forbid anonymous reports |
18:15:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would also decrease drive-by-critical-feature-requesting |
18:17:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does anyone know where the confusion that leads to people thinking Rockboy is an external download comes from? |
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18:17:55 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: propably because it doesn't appear in the show plugins menu |
18:18:07 | pondlife | lostlogic: the problem I referred to earlier occurs because dram_buf[0] is used before it has been initialised in swap_codec (from codec_pcmbuf_insert_split_callback < codec_start < codec_load_ram...) |
18:18:56 | pondlife | lostlogic: When reset_buffer was called, it didn't set up dram_buf[0], probably because voiced menus were disabled, or the english.voice file is not present |
18:19:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: I suppose the manual entry could be a bit clearer, saying explicitly "This is a viewer style plugin, and does not show up in the menu" or something (assuming it doesn't. People like to tell me they've read the manual in the hopes that I'll then be more likely to just help them without suggesting they read it first) |
18:26:50 | lostlogic | pondlife: ah, but why is swap_codec called if voice isn't initizliaed |
18:26:58 | lostlogic | initialized |
18:27:01 | lostlogic | that's a neat bug. |
18:27:52 | pondlife | Yep, I'm just hacking at it. |
18:29:14 | pondlife | Bear in mind that voice should be initialised by now. This is after I've done a bit of tree browsing with .talk clips enabled (although not functioning) |
18:29:30 | pondlife | Then I try to play an MP3 and BLAM |
18:29:43 | pondlife | Very likely to be a sim-only problem I think |
18:29:57 | lostlogic | hmph |
18:30:20 | pondlife | Some kind of bug in the queue system..? |
18:31:25 | pondlife | reset_buffer was called, but it decided not to initialise dram_buf. |
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18:56:09 | * | amiconn will probably be able to do some chip temp measurements on his h300 tonight |
18:56:28 | amiconn | Infrared thermometer... |
18:56:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Neat |
18:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hopefully we'll get some good results. |
18:57:18 | markun | amiconn: does it take a ir picture? |
18:58:30 | amiconn | No. You need to aim at the spot you want to measure |
18:58:59 | amiconn | There's a laser pointer that helps in aiming |
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19:06:55 | Cillian | With the rockbox bootloader, how do I load the normal apple firmware? |
19:07:08 | Cillian | Ok, forget it |
19:07:09 | sharpe | hold menu while booting |
19:07:18 | Cillian | Yeh, just found that in teh FAQ |
19:07:22 | Cillian | I missed it the first time |
19:07:31 | sharpe | yeh, the FAQs a wonderful thing. |
19:09:04 | Cillian | Hmm, doesn't seem to work... |
19:09:08 | Cillian | It just loads rockbox |
19:09:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cillian: Then you're not pressing and holding it early enough |
19:09:39 | Cillian | Ookay |
19:09:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cillian: Try turning on the iPod with the Menu button, and just holding it down (try not to wiggle your finger, as triggering scrolls can mess it up) |
19:10:07 | Cillian | Ok, worked this time |
19:10:09 | Cillian | Thanks |
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19:15:44 | sharpe | i think it's kind of funny, when paul calmly explains to a person, what they did wrong, and why it didn't work... |
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19:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
19:21:45 | sharpe | i wonder if i should ever work on the whole, user customizable builds. |
19:22:31 | Cillian | I just didn't know finger wiggling effected it |
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19:24:57 | bluebrother | tucoz, do you know the difference between opt and optv? |
19:27:30 | tucoz | no, I never heard of optv |
19:29:02 | tucoz | maybe it's something to do with verb |
19:30:31 | bluebrother | it's used in the ipod_install.tex. Seems to be needed at some points. |
19:30:56 | tucoz | hmm. Wonder why the standard opt doesn't work |
19:31:08 | tucoz | found it |
19:32:21 | tucoz | check the optional.sty file. |
19:34:15 | tucoz | I think it's so that an opt is ignored within a verbatim environment |
19:35:01 | sharpe | hmm... in the font struct, why do we have height as an unsigned int, while max width is just declared as an int? |
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19:36:45 | tucoz | afk |
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19:44:06 | bluebrother | tucoz, I commited my changes for now. |
19:44:28 | bluebrother | someone needs to check the information itself, but I still don't own an ipod ;-) |
19:44:38 | bluebrother | I'm away now, cu l8ter. |
19:44:43 | tucoz | bye bye |
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19:52:38 | sharpe | woo! i explained something about the repetition of the same date of today, as it happened many times in the past |
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20:02:32 | Cillian | :-P |
20:02:36 | Cillian | Is there a way to do multiple commands in an irssi alias? |
20:03:47 | BHSPitMonkey | Cillian: try the command "/join #irssi" first |
20:03:48 | BHSPitMonkey | :P |
20:03:58 | Cillian | :-/ |
20:04:01 | Cillian | Oops, sorry, wrong channel |
20:04:14 | Cillian | Heh, I shuffled round my channel numbers |
20:09:58 | dpro | sorry but what do the two bars in the audio thread debug menu actually represent ? |
20:11:11 | ben_ | hi i have a question |
20:11:39 | sharpe | hi we have answers. |
20:12:15 | ben_ | when i'm installing rockbox on my ipod 4g and i'm trying to read the existing firmware to my ipod i get a message in terminal saying './diskdump: command not found' |
20:12:40 | sharpe | well, it would appear you do not have the program diskdump. |
20:12:56 | ben_ | but i do and i CD'ed into the directory as well |
20:13:13 | sharpe | did you type the ./ also? |
20:13:19 | ben_ | yup |
20:13:31 | sharpe | i doubt it'd do anything, try it without it? |
20:13:36 | ben_ | ok |
20:13:50 | dpro | ben_ : is it executable ? |
20:14:22 | ben_ | no the logo is just a white page and it has no extension |
20:14:36 | ben_ | and the problem remains when i remove './' |
20:14:57 | sharpe | so is it in the same directory? |
20:15:19 | ben_ | you mean Desktop/rockbox? |
20:15:28 | sharpe | sure, lets go with that? |
20:15:41 | ben_ | the same directory as what |
20:15:50 | sharpe | as you're in currently? |
20:15:53 | ben_ | yeah |
20:16:02 | sharpe | and did you chmod them? |
20:16:08 | ben_ | no... |
20:16:15 | sharpe | that'd be your problem... |
20:16:16 | ben_ | what should i chmod them to? |
20:16:20 | sharpe | executable |
20:16:29 | sharpe | chmod +x ipod_fw diskdump |
20:16:36 | ben_ | thanks |
20:16:39 | sharpe | mmhmm |
20:16:41 | sharpe | welcome :D |
20:17:35 | ben_ | i'm still getting the same thing |
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20:17:45 | ben_ | except now i don't have to run it in sudo |
20:18:10 | sharpe | it still gives you that it's not found? |
20:18:17 | ben_ | yeah |
20:18:23 | ben_ | hang on i'll open a new shell |
20:18:25 | sharpe | with and without ./ ? |
20:18:32 | ben_ | i'll try without |
20:19:01 | ben_ | ah here we go |
20:19:02 | ben_ | cheers |
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20:26:30 | ben_ | ok now i've installed the bootloader, but when i disconnect the ipod it has the small writing like it says it should but it doesn't enter the apple firmware |
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20:27:02 | Moos | Hello all ! |
20:27:02 | ben_ | and 'rockbox error: -1' keeps flashing up |
20:27:06 | ben_ | hello |
20:27:08 | dpro | ben_ : what does it do ? does it boot rb ? |
20:27:33 | ben_ | the bootloader comes up but it doesnt boot anything |
20:28:00 | ben_ | it stays on the bootloader with things like 'loading original firmware' flashing up occasionally |
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20:28:09 | dpro | ben_: this is a vfat formatted 4g with a rockbox.ipod file on it's 2nd partition ? |
20:28:25 | ben_ | it doesn't have rockbox.ipod |
20:28:41 | ben_ | just after i've installed the bootloader |
20:28:53 | ben_ | and the wiki says it should default to the apple firmware |
20:29:06 | ben_ | and when i connect it the ipod doesn't mount on my mac |
20:29:15 | dpro | ben_ : no thats wrong (either the wiki or you) |
20:29:22 | ben_ | ah |
20:29:26 | dpro | hold menu while booting |
20:29:42 | ben_ | i can't get it to turn off now |
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20:29:58 | knoopx | hi |
20:29:59 | dpro | early enough when press and hols menu and select for a few secs |
20:30:01 | knoopx | whats on |
20:30:07 | dpro | s/hols/hold/ |
20:30:44 | ben_ | its not doing anything |
20:31:01 | ben_ | the bootloader stays open and the light stays on but nothing happens when i press any of the buttons |
20:31:21 | dpro | ben_ : holding down menu & select for a few seconds doesn't reboot ? |
20:31:40 | ben_ | ah now i does |
20:31:43 | knoopx | theres any implemented function to show only playlists on file list? recusrive folder search only for *.m3u files |
20:31:46 | dpro | ben_: and when you see the apple logo _immediately_ press menu then it should boot OF |
20:31:50 | ben_ | ok |
20:32:59 | ben_ | no when i hold menu + select it resets but it comes back up on the bootloader which doesn't do anything |
20:33:28 | ben_ | and nothing happens when i press menu when the apple logo comes up |
20:33:49 | dpro | maybe retry to build a booltoader with your firmware backup the bootloader for 4g and ipod_fw ? |
20:34:17 | ben_ | my computer isn't recognising that my ipod is connected |
20:34:20 | dpro | ben: what did you use to extract the original firmware ? |
20:34:37 | ben_ | diskdump |
20:34:42 | ben_ | same as the tutorial said |
20:34:44 | * | dpro wishes he'd remember what key combo goes to emergency disk mode |
20:34:51 | dpro | and what os are you using ? |
20:34:58 | ben_ | os x |
20:35:02 | ben_ | i'm following rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3 |
20:35:08 | dpro | and your ipod is vfat formatted ? |
20:35:17 | ben_ | fat32 yeah |
20:36:28 | dpro | hmmm ... ok reboot like I said and press play and select immediately when it's booting |
20:36:44 | ben_ | here we go! |
20:36:46 | dpro | should at least show up as a disk (not an ipod though) |
20:37:02 | dpro | ben_ : what ? |
20:37:08 | ben_ | yeah it's showing up |
20:37:13 | ben_ | now what |
20:37:28 | ben_ | do i put rockbox.ipod on |
20:37:31 | dpro | install linux on your mac ;) |
20:37:42 | ben_ | lol |
20:38:07 | ben_ | i like linux but i don't like compiling things myself and apt-get can get confusing |
20:38:30 | dpro | ben_ : yes I'd install rockbox and see if that works, but apparently something went wrong with the OF extraction / boot loader merge |
20:39:06 | dpro | ben_ : finding working cracks and installing share/freeware from all over the place can be quite confusing too at times ;) |
20:39:19 | ben_ | ah so if installing doesn't work i should recover the ipod using my image? |
20:39:23 | ben_ | yeah |
20:40:01 | dpro | ben_ : I'd try to reinstall a newly merged OF/rb bootloader first maybe you're ipod_fw command was not quite right |
20:40:07 | dpro | (but what do I know) |
20:40:16 | ben_ | ok i'll try that |
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20:40:52 | dpro | ben_ : but first just unzip rockbox onto the 2nd partition and see if the current bootloader boots at least that |
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20:41:02 | ben_ | ok |
20:41:20 | hiabane | anyone on here who can help me with some issues I am having using the rockboxdev.sh in linux? |
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20:43:12 | hiabane | well actually in Suse |
20:43:18 | dpro | hiabane: no idea what's the problem ? |
20:44:30 | hiabane | well when I compile it and get everything running I get warning messages running ../tools/configure that say the gcc is not there |
20:44:40 | hiabane | well not in my path |
20:44:42 | ben_ | awesome! rockbox is running! thanks |
20:44:50 | dpro | hiabane: and it isn't all that bad if you get your build environment by hand, there is plenty of time for coffee and beer when actually compiling |
20:45:03 | hiabane | haha |
20:45:09 | dpro | hiabane: which gcc ? |
20:45:22 | dpro | what happens when you type "gcc" in a shell ? |
20:45:31 | hiabane | its arm_elf_gcc |
20:45:57 | hiabane | gcc in konsole gives me no input files |
20:46:03 | dpro | so is there a arm-elf-gcc binary anywhere on your system ? |
20:46:09 | obo | hiabane: have you added /usr/local/arm-elf/bin to your path? |
20:46:23 | obo | (i think that's the default location the script installs to...) |
20:46:41 | hiabane | no I haven't I used the rockboxdev.sh to install the binary into home/haibane/build |
20:47:00 | dpro | ben_ : you still might to investigate further why the OF won't boot - just in case you ever want it back ;) |
20:47:00 | hiabane | it might be let me check |
20:47:19 | ben_ | ok thanks |
20:47:31 | dpro | hiabane: find is your friend |
20:47:33 | ben_ | well i've still got the image so i'll keep that safe |
20:48:06 | hiabane | ah it is in usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
20:48:23 | dpro | ben: still pressing menu while bootinh should take you to the OF if everything went fine |
20:48:39 | dpro | hiabane: so ad it to your path and rerun configure |
20:48:50 | hiabane | I just run export PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" |
20:48:54 | hiabane | right? |
20:48:57 | dpro | yup |
20:49:05 | hiabane | now configure is probably my problem |
20:49:08 | ben_ | ah |
20:49:12 | hiabane | I don't know anything about configure yet |
20:49:23 | dpro | it's noob proof ;) |
20:49:26 | ben_ | i might repair it and start over at some point |
20:49:31 | hiabane | just type configure? |
20:49:49 | dpro | go to your build dir |
20:49:58 | dpro | and type ../tools/configure |
20:50:04 | hiabane | oh |
20:50:07 | hiabane | that configure |
20:50:16 | dpro | yeah that one |
20:50:57 | hiabane | hella amazing |
20:50:59 | hiabane | awesome |
20:51:00 | hiabane | finally |
20:51:04 | * | dpro needs a shave and a shower |
20:51:08 | dpro | BIAB |
20:52:25 | | Quit ben_ () |
20:54:04 | hiabane | alright guys one more thing came up make[1]: *** [/home/haibane/rockbox-devel/Build/apps/screens.o] Error 1make: *** [all] Error 2 |
20:55:54 | obo | any errors listed before that? what kind of build are you doing? |
20:56:11 | | Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
20:56:36 | hiabane | well I will let you know in a little bit. I forgot my cvs was from a few days ago as that is how long it has taken me to get around to getting the gcc working |
20:56:52 | hiabane | so I am regrabbing the devel |
20:57:21 | obo | fair enough :) |
20:57:51 | hiabane | can I just use cvs update -dp |
20:57:58 | hiabane | if so wow that was stupid what I just did |
20:58:20 | obo | yup, cvs -q up -dP is kinda hardwired into me these days |
20:58:30 | hiabane | haha I bet |
20:58:33 | hiabane | ah now it is back |
20:58:34 | hiabane | ok |
20:59:19 | Cillian | Hmm, my ipod seems really against going into apple firmware |
20:59:26 | Cillian | I've tried like 10 times now, it only worked once |
20:59:41 | hiabane | wow |
20:59:44 | hiabane | that can't be good |
20:59:51 | Cillian | Yeh, worked this time... |
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21:00:14 | hiabane | must have been the patches I did |
21:00:18 | hiabane | cause it works without the, |
21:00:22 | hiabane | them* |
21:00:24 | hiabane | so far |
21:01:00 | sharpe | it's really just luck that you have with getting back in to the apple firmware |
21:01:15 | hiabane | luck or no luck |
21:01:19 | hiabane | who wants to go back there? |
21:02:58 | hiabane | What are the necessary patches to get album art working? I think one is causing my build to crash sometimes |
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21:06:42 | hiabane | brb |
21:06:51 | | Join haibane [0] (n=449b8bf0@labb.contactor.se) |
21:06:56 | | Quit hiabane ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
21:06:56 | haibane | ah much better |
21:09:50 | haibane | alright so now it keeps asking me file to patch? |
21:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means you most likely picked the wrong number beside the p |
21:11:43 | haibane | ah I just pulled it out to rockbox-devel instead of inside my build folder and it worked |
21:11:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fortunately you can also simply type the absolute path to the file. It'll tell you a little above which file it needs, so if you know where the file actually is, you just type the path to it |
21:12:51 | haibane | cool |
21:14:36 | haibane | hmm back to my error 1 and error 2 |
21:14:50 | haibane | I bet it is the scrolling blah blah whatever I patched |
21:17:06 | haibane | any ideas about the scrolling margins patch working or not? |
21:17:17 | dpro | re |
21:17:27 | haibane | re? |
21:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it depends on what the error 1 and error 2 messages actually say |
21:18:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's very possible the scroll margins patch could be out of date. |
21:18:49 | haibane | most likely it is |
21:18:58 | dpro | Cillian: that's the mersenne twister algo in the bootloader - no crap just press menu _early_ enough |
21:18:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It happens quite frequently. |
21:19:05 | haibane | I am going to go ahead and try with just album art patch |
21:19:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | haibane: You may be interested in this: rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0">http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0 <−−- Just, if you use it, and find a bug, switch to an official build and verify the bug before reporting it. |
21:20:58 | haibane | tried it. See I am one of the last posters |
21:21:08 | haibane | it didn't do anything different |
21:24:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... |
21:24:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
21:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't say that scroll margins is included in that build. Oops |
21:24:39 | haibane | i don't think I need it though either |
21:25:14 | haibane | ah its working without the scrolling margins now |
21:25:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
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21:25:40 | haibane | petur what an interesting name |
21:25:51 | petur | why? |
21:26:05 | haibane | just never heard it spelled that way. Its nice that way though |
21:26:36 | haibane | anyone want to give me a noob run through of how to use irc or simple stuff I should know? |
21:27:04 | petur | actually it's just my first name but as they would write it in Icelandic (without the accent) |
21:27:04 | haibane | I always want to say make zipo for some reason |
21:27:17 | haibane | oh that is pretty sweet man |
21:27:29 | dpro | haibane: http://irchelp.org/irchelp/faq.html |
21:27:48 | haibane | ah the joys of feeling like a noob today |
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21:28:07 | * | petur is going to have fun debugging the remote |
21:28:07 | | Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
21:28:42 | petur | The remote whatboutbob gave me arrived and I had rockbox crash within 5 minutes :( |
21:28:54 | preglow | how? |
21:29:00 | haibane | so did that work |
21:29:02 | haibane | nope |
21:29:03 | haibane | hmm |
21:29:11 | preglow | crashed or shut off? |
21:29:34 | haibane | wow crashing the rockbox sounds fun |
21:29:43 | petur | preglow: crash. from the recording screen I took the menu and set clipping light option, then wanted to return to recording screen. |
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21:30:11 | petur | probably related to the crash whatboutbob had with my gain fix |
21:30:38 | petur | must do something else now first, will try to reproduce later |
21:32:03 | knoopx | i need a clean-simple-fast-beautiful firmware :D |
21:32:14 | knoopx | for my ipod |
21:32:35 | haibane | ugh album art never works for me... |
21:32:36 | haibane | sadly |
21:34:35 | dpro | aaarg this pitch/dropout bug is driving me crazy ... now it worked over 3 tracks at 107.4 % and now it clicks again ... nothing else changed it's even the same bitrate ... |
21:34:57 | tucoz | preglow, have you had a look at a recent ipod manual? The code sections in the install chapter |
21:35:14 | tucoz | I think I like them ;-). Not sure yet |
21:36:13 | tucoz | I like that we have a code macro (for code/typewriter text). |
21:36:24 | bluebrother | back again ;-) |
21:36:29 | tucoz | bluebrother, hi |
21:36:52 | bluebrother | I hope I didn't introduce any errors on my last change ;-) |
21:37:07 | tucoz | No problem. The ipod manuals builds nice at least |
21:37:26 | bluebrother | I was thinking of the instructions itself actually. |
21:38:13 | tucoz | ah. Wouldn't know as I don't have an ipod |
21:39:19 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
21:39:20 | bluebrother | me too, which is the point. But I guess you already noticed I added a note in front of the installation notes. |
21:40:02 | tucoz | yep |
21:40:13 | tucoz | with a nice stop-sign in the margin :) |
21:42:10 | tucoz | bluebrother, how do you think we should mark filenames. That is, in some places we refer to a .wps file. Should this be emphasized somehow? \fname perhaps? |
21:42:32 | knoopx | what is I2S driver? |
21:43:15 | bluebrother | I think we should use the fname macro for all types of filename, thus including file extensions as well. |
21:43:32 | bluebrother | and probably change fname to use tt. |
21:43:46 | tucoz | ok. I agree on the tt |
21:44:46 | tucoz | I'll have a go at the advanced topics chapter |
21:46:19 | bluebrother | I just found tons of tabs in the iriver install :( |
21:46:30 | preglow | tucoz: i haven't had a look at anything rockbox related at all for a good while |
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21:46:38 | preglow | got some more time coming up again now |
21:46:39 | tucoz | preglow, fair enough :) |
21:46:55 | preglow | dpro: pitch/dropout issue? |
21:47:04 | preglow | tucoz: what's wrong about it, btw? |
21:47:38 | tucoz | preglow, nothing is wrong with it. First impression was that it might be a bit too dense. |
21:47:39 | preglow | oh, not wrong |
21:47:42 | preglow | i'll have a look now |
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21:48:46 | tucoz | is it 'filename' or 'file name'? |
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21:49:09 | haibane | anyone able to get album art working right on a 4th gen? |
21:49:29 | bluebrother | afaik "filename" |
21:49:39 | preglow | both are right, afaik |
21:49:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:50:16 | dionoea | to add bitmaps for one of the plugins, do i only need to register it in the SOURCES file ? (and use the extern global var in the plugin) |
21:50:16 | bluebrother | dict.leo.org translates me the german word to both versions. At least I'm used to the non-spaced. |
21:50:36 | preglow | i'm fine with both, really |
21:50:41 | tucoz | ok. But we should only use one of them. Filename looks best in my eyes. But then I am not a native english speaker |
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21:50:57 | tucoz | both in the same section of text? |
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21:51:49 | tucoz | I change the advanced topics to use filename. Then it's easy to search and replace in the future |
21:52:18 | haibane | so what's up guys? |
21:53:03 | haibane | sorry just ran and got an irc client |
21:54:17 | dpro | preglow: sorry I was on the phone ... I get hard to reproduce dropouts when using the pitch feature on ipod |
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21:54:48 | preglow | the only bug i know of is that the resampler goes a bit clicky sometimes |
21:54:53 | dpro | preglow: sometimes they don'T appear for ages, but then there they are and they are quite annoying |
21:55:01 | tucoz | should I empasize a program such as Notepad in the text? |
21:55:12 | tucoz | and Windows |
21:55:34 | preglow | dpro: so you actually get dropouts? |
21:55:35 | dpro | preglow: no it's more like silence for up to about a second and then it resumes |
21:55:39 | preglow | ehh |
21:55:41 | preglow | weird |
21:55:43 | dpro | preglow: yes |
21:55:44 | preglow | what codec? |
21:55:56 | dpro | preglow: all even pcm/wave |
21:56:00 | preglow | hmm |
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21:56:13 | preglow | adjust the pitch, then enter the audio debug screen |
21:56:20 | preglow | and look at the pcm level when it happens |
21:57:03 | LookingforHelp | Hey guys, Ive been having trouble compiling my patched up source for rockbox |
21:57:23 | LookingforHelp | I got all the way to making the build directory |
21:57:40 | dpro | preglow: and then ? |
21:57:45 | LookingforHelp | And I did the ../tools/configure |
21:57:50 | * | dpro waits for a dropout to happen |
21:57:50 | LookingforHelp | Made the makefile |
21:58:01 | LookingforHelp | And then I did make |
21:58:10 | LookingforHelp | There was some error in finding the file in the directory |
21:58:19 | LookingforHelp | And the makefile was in the rockbox-daily folder |
21:58:19 | dionoea | finding which file ? |
21:58:27 | LookingforHelp | the makefile I guess |
21:58:27 | bluebrother | were you able compiling the unpatched sources? |
21:58:30 | preglow | dpro: well, if it does, it's a cpu usage issue |
21:58:45 | LookingforHelp | Haven't tried doing the unpatched |
21:58:46 | dionoea | LookingforHelp: well what did the error message look like ? |
21:58:47 | preglow | dpro: i bet it'll happen during rebuffering or something |
21:58:57 | LookingforHelp | 1 second |
21:59:24 | dpro | preglow: yeah it sounds a bit like a buffer problem |
21:59:32 | LookingforHelp | It just said no targets specified. Stop |
21:59:45 | preglow | dpro: buffering uses a lot of cpu, and currently i don't think cpu is auto-boosted when buffering |
21:59:47 | LookingforHelp | I restarted my computer twice already, and It still doesnt work |
21:59:51 | preglow | lostlogic: what about that anyway? |
21:59:53 | tucoz | bluebrother, what will happen if I put this in a code block? \%?it{\textless}\%t8\%s\%it{\textbar}\%s\%fn{\textgreater};\%?ia{\textless}\%t3\%s\%ia{\textbar}\%t0{\textgreater} |
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22:00:10 | LookingforHelp | Let me try compiling a non-patched source |
22:00:59 | bluebrother | tucoz, just try it ;-) \, { and } are recognized, so I guess it _should_ work. But within the code environment you could write this much easier |
22:01:06 | preglow | LookingforHelp: os? |
22:01:15 | bluebrother | maybe the \% will fail. |
22:01:26 | tucoz | bluebrother, does it work similar as a verbatim block? |
22:01:27 | dpro | preglow: it happens when the pcm bar is all empty |
22:01:29 | LookingforHelp | Windows |
22:01:33 | LookingforHelp | XP |
22:01:38 | preglow | dpro: the top one? |
22:01:45 | LookingforHelp | Yeah, it just says no targets specified. |
22:01:59 | preglow | dpro: did you notice if the unit was loading songs at the time? |
22:01:59 | dpro | preglow: yup |
22:02:03 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. It is actually based on fancyverb, so it is some kind of verbatim block |
22:02:04 | LookingforHelp | Apparently the makefile and autoconf.H files are being made in the rockbox-daily-20060606 folder |
22:02:12 | tucoz | I see |
22:02:23 | preglow | LookingforHelp: so ok, you've got the source, you've made a build directory, you're in it and you do ../tools/configure |
22:02:27 | bluebrother | I just read the documentation for fancyverb and used it ;-) |
22:02:28 | dpro | preglow: no the disk didn't do much at the time |
22:02:30 | preglow | LookingforHelp: and it doesn't work? |
22:02:35 | LookingforHelp | It does |
22:02:36 | bluebrother | but the result is quite impressive |
22:02:45 | LookingforHelp | I chose 15 for the video iPod |
22:02:51 | LookingforHelp | Then n for normal |
22:02:51 | preglow | dpro: well, it doesn't surprise me that the pcm buffer goes empty, i just wonder why |
22:02:52 | | Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
22:02:56 | dpro | preglow: but the dropouts are much more reliably happening at > 140% |
22:03:11 | preglow | dpro: well, of course, the higher the rate, the higher the cpu use |
22:03:14 | dionoea | LookingforHelp: are you sure that you have the cross compile toolchain ? |
22:03:16 | LookingforHelp | and it made the makefile in the rockbox-daily-20060606 directory |
22:03:17 | preglow | dpro: try 200, it'll skip all the time |
22:03:22 | LookingforHelp | I might not |
22:03:35 | LookingforHelp | I read that the cross compile was usually automatically installed with cygwin |
22:03:48 | LookingforHelp | Should I go to the wiki and figure that part out? |
22:03:55 | dionoea | i don't have a clue :) |
22:03:57 | preglow | LookingforHelp: what message do you get? |
22:04:00 | preglow | exactly what |
22:04:04 | LookingforHelp | for what |
22:04:16 | preglow | when it fails |
22:04:19 | preglow | the last message you get, more or less |
22:04:20 | LookingforHelp | "$ make" command? |
22:04:28 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you think I should put the wps examples within code blocs? |
22:04:29 | dpro | preglow:yup but why also with wav or flac (even at 110%) and why the hell sometimes even when playing _slower_ but never at 100% ? |
22:04:31 | tucoz | blocks |
22:04:41 | LookingforHelp | make: *** No targets specified and no makefiles found. Stop |
22:04:54 | preglow | LookingforHelp: well, does configure succeed? does it mention anything about some tools not being found? it sounds like you don't have a cross compiler |
22:05:05 | dpro | preglow: though IIRC I had dropouts even at 100% after running pitched for a while |
22:05:06 | dionoea | any high ranking rockbox developer here ? Would it be ok that i apply a small zoom to sokoban on the video ipod ? (2 lines change) |
22:05:10 | preglow | dpro: because both are more intensive than 100% |
22:05:16 | LookingforHelp | There is an error at the beginning when i first do it, but it just continues |
22:05:22 | preglow | dpro: my ipod is flat out dead now, so i can't test, but i will later |
22:05:55 | dpro | preglow: any hint where to start looking in the src to get an idea how the sw codec system actually works |
22:05:57 | LookingforHelp | ../tools/configure: line 436: cd: /home/guest: No such file or directory |
22:05:58 | bluebrother | hmm, I guess it will look nice. Maybe not for the examples. |
22:06:05 | * | dpro only has a ver superficial idea |
22:06:08 | preglow | dpro: playback.c, and good luck |
22:06:17 | preglow | dpro: pitch change is in dsp.c |
22:06:30 | preglow | LookingforHelp: sounds like you have something not configured right |
22:06:34 | bluebrother | but we could give it a try. Or invent a new example code block with an "example" heading ;-) |
22:06:45 | tucoz | bluebrother, that sounds perfect |
22:06:52 | * | dpro wonders if turning of interpolation might change the behaviour |
22:06:53 | LookingforHelp | Seems like it, but it skips over it and then all of the options come up |
22:07:01 | LookingforHelp | Sounds fine to me from what I can see |
22:07:38 | LookingforHelp | Should I install the cross compiler? |
22:07:54 | bluebrother | just copy the code block definition in the preamble and change the first argument (name of the environment) and the label= (caption) |
22:08:10 | LookingforHelp | I'm looking at my .bash_profile file and it doesn't have any "$ PATH: PATH..." |
22:08:16 | tucoz | Yes. I'll do that now. I can also change the fname to tt |
22:08:50 | preglow | LookingforHelp: if you don't have a cross compiler, you'll be told so by configure |
22:08:59 | bluebrother | the gobble= is responsible for the number of characters that are stripped from the beginning of each line. I found it very helpful to have this set to 4 to be able indenting all code lines. |
22:09:21 | bluebrother | which requires me to indent all code lines with 4 spaces actually, but that's ok. |
22:09:28 | LookingforHelp | Err.. ok. Well, I've had a post on the forum for about 3 days and no one knows the problem |
22:09:31 | preglow | ../tools/configure: line 1039: arm-elf-gcc: command not found |
22:09:33 | preglow | like that |
22:09:48 | LookingforHelp | I'm pretty sure my arm-elf-gcc is good |
22:09:55 | preglow | it says so just a bit before saying Creating makefile |
22:10:00 | preglow | what's the last thing configure says? |
22:10:16 | LookingforHelp | It says using arm-elf-gcc |
22:10:54 | preglow | it should say it's creating makefile... |
22:10:55 | preglow | at least here |
22:10:58 | preglow | i use linux, though, no idea |
22:11:17 | LookingforHelp | sorry, it says "using arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 (400)" |
22:11:21 | LookingforHelp | "creating makefile" |
22:11:32 | LookingforHelp | "created makefile" created* |
22:12:37 | preglow | does it? |
22:12:41 | preglow | is there a makefile? |
22:12:55 | LookingforHelp | yes |
22:13:04 | LookingforHelp | its only 5 kb... that about right? |
22:13:13 | preglow | yea |
22:13:13 | LookingforHelp | It also made an autoconf.H file |
22:13:25 | preglow | tucoz: i think the header line is a bit too close to the text, plus i don't know how useful those line numbers are |
22:13:31 | LookingforHelp | but both of them are located in the "rockbox-daily-20060606" folder |
22:13:41 | LookingforHelp | not the "build" folder |
22:13:56 | preglow | tucoz: also, again, i don't like mixing caps with small caps, i'd prefer it if it was just 'code' in small caps |
22:14:05 | preglow | LookingforHelp: then something is very wrong |
22:14:13 | preglow | LookingforHelp: try copying it to the dir you're at |
22:14:22 | LookingforHelp | Done it already. |
22:14:29 | LookingforHelp | Let me type the error that comes up |
22:14:39 | tucoz | I think the heading looks good. Just think I want a thinner line, and maybe get rid of the numbers |
22:15:01 | LookingforHelp | Wait for a minute, I'm doing it from the beginning |
22:15:03 | preglow | it looks like the small caps are fake as well :// |
22:15:31 | tucoz | bluebrother, is it possible to get the heading line thinner, and maybe move a few dots up |
22:16:18 | preglow | btw, i think we should move the install binary stuff from the wiki to something more proper, since 1: the urls are waaaay to long now, 2: if someone alters the binary without anyone noticing, bad things can happen |
22:16:37 | preglow | OMFG OMFG ROCKBOX GAVE ME A R00TKIT |
22:16:46 | tucoz | hehe. That is true |
22:16:47 | dpro | preglow: LOL |
22:17:08 | LookingforHelp | Heres the error |
22:17:30 | LookingforHelp | make: *** /home/guest: No such file or directory. Stop |
22:17:40 | LookingforHelp | make: *** [tools] Error 2 |
22:17:49 | bluebrother | tucoz, try framerule=<thickness>,framesep=<distance> in the DefineVerbatimEnvironment arguments |
22:18:09 | tucoz | Ok. I think I remove the numbering in the example block |
22:18:14 | preglow | i also dislike the use of mixed caps and small caps in the page footer, but i guess that's kind of obvious by now, heh |
22:19:23 | dpro | preglow: hmmm do you think there's any point in trying with mono files ? (should be half the job right ?) |
22:20:21 | preglow | dpro: i don't think there's any point, the problem is quite obvious to me |
22:20:34 | preglow | there's a bit less work with mono, yes, but not exactly half |
22:20:44 | dpro | preglow: which is ? codec speed or resampler speed ? |
22:21:04 | dpro | preglow: well yes I thought mono would be half + a little extra copying |
22:21:18 | preglow | tucoz, bluebrother: also, shouldn't the header be in small caps too? we use them in the footer, after all |
22:21:28 | preglow | dpro: well, that's just resampler speed |
22:21:33 | preglow | dpro: codec will of course be faster too |
22:21:35 | | Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
22:22:15 | bluebrother | preglow, good point |
22:22:56 | LookingforHelp | preglow: did you see my error messages? |
22:23:18 | preglow | LookingforHelp: yeah, but it's pretty much nonsense |
22:23:31 | preglow | LookingforHelp: don't know what's wrong, sorry, can't test either since i'm on linux |
22:23:49 | LookingforHelp | Oh... |
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22:24:09 | LookingforHelp | Well, thanks anyway. Gotta wait for the forum people to respond. |
22:24:11 | preglow | LookingforHelp: you could of course try out the vmware image so you to can use the proper linux tools on windows :) |
22:24:21 | preglow | s/to/too/ |
22:24:31 | LookingforHelp | Yeah, too difficult p |
22:24:33 | LookingforHelp | :p |
22:24:52 | preglow | mno, i think it's pretty easy |
22:24:59 | preglow | once it's installed it's pretty much exactly like using cygwin |
22:25:02 | preglow | just waaay faster |
22:25:02 | LookingforHelp | Should I just go to the wiki for it? |
22:25:10 | preglow | and i think installing it is easy as anything |
22:25:21 | preglow | i wouldn't know that either, i don't have a windows to test it on :) |
22:25:26 | LookingforHelp | Well, if i still have the same problem with it then I probably dont need to do that |
22:25:37 | LookingforHelp | I can boot onto a live linux cd. |
22:25:46 | LookingforHelp | Got any instructions on how to do it through one of those? |
22:25:52 | preglow | i really doubt you have the same problems there |
22:26:00 | preglow | i can pretty much guarantee it'll work just fine |
22:26:17 | LookingforHelp | So type in the same commands but do it through terminal? |
22:26:38 | LookingforHelp | Or how am I supposed to do it through there. |
22:26:52 | dpro | preglow: now if we could play backwards also after someone more gifted optimized the resampler enough ;) |
22:26:52 | preglow | LookingforHelp: rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
22:27:01 | LookingforHelp | I have wireless internet, so Its difficult to configure the internet there. I can get all of the instructions now |
22:27:16 | preglow | dpro: playing backwards will need extensive work on the playback engine and is... unusable... |
22:27:22 | LookingforHelp | Can I do it through a live linux cd like SLAX though.. |
22:27:26 | preglow | LookingforHelp: right |
22:27:33 | preglow | using a livecd won't work |
22:27:41 | preglow | unless you have a linux partition to store the cross compiler tools on |
22:27:42 | dpro | preglow: wouldn't a larger buffer make the dropouts less likely ? |
22:27:48 | preglow | dpro: no |
22:28:01 | LookingforHelp | Yeah, I dont. |
22:28:02 | dpro | preglow: I have to check how alsaplayer does the backwards playback thing ... |
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22:28:10 | LookingforHelp | I'll try the vmware I guess |
22:28:20 | tucoz | bluebrother, I got to go. I do not commit my changes now. |
22:28:38 | LookingforHelp | preglow: should I delete all cygwin files from my computer first? |
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22:28:51 | dpro | prelgow: why unusable ? it can be done with mad, and pcm/wave shouldn't be a problem either |
22:29:38 | preglow | dpro: mp3 and 110% pitch works just fine here, no cpu problems even when buffering, though it does struggle badly |
22:30:01 | preglow | dpro: alsaplayer and rockbox is wildly different |
22:30:23 | dpro | preglow: of course ... but it would be a killer feature |
22:30:28 | preglow | dpro: i know perfectly well how to do it, the problem is that rockbox needs to be hacked to pieces to make it work, and it's really pretty useless |
22:30:36 | dpro | prelow: keave it running for a while at 110% |
22:30:39 | preglow | dpro: no, not a killed feature, it'd be interesting, but that's thatt |
22:30:53 | LookingforHelp | preglow: Should I remove cygwin before I get this? |
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22:30:56 | preglow | almost no one would use it, hardly worth weeks of playback engine hacking |
22:30:59 | preglow | LookingforHelp: do as you wish |
22:31:02 | preglow | LookingforHelp: don't need to |
22:31:06 | dpro | preglow: it would mean scratching on the clickwheel ;) |
22:31:08 | LookingforHelp | Thanks, I'm going |
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22:31:28 | preglow | dpro: ghaghah, that would need even more work |
22:31:39 | preglow | dpro: when you scratch you do decode speeds up to several thousand percent |
22:31:52 | dpro | preglow: no you don't (mostly) |
22:32:05 | preglow | depends what you do, of course |
22:32:10 | Genre9mp3 | About the tagnavi.config file: You can edit this file in order to create your own queries, right? |
22:32:18 | preglow | but at least 1000% is not unrealistic |
22:32:27 | Genre9mp3 | I mean, this is intended to be this way, right? |
22:32:27 | preglow | that is impossible to decode realtime |
22:32:36 | preglow | which means we'd need to keep a big-ass decoding buffer |
22:32:47 | dpro | preglow: that's why there should be a scrub buffer you never need this all the time |
22:33:22 | dpro | preglow: and not every mp3 frame needs the same time to decode |
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22:34:01 | preglow | dpro: there's no way i can make a wav skip with pitchshifting on |
22:34:19 | dpro | preglow: let me check |
22:34:35 | preglow | not even with 200% pitch |
22:34:36 | preglow | no way |
22:34:38 | preglow | it doesn't even boost |
22:35:07 | amiconn | Does it start clicking? |
22:35:12 | preglow | the decode time of an mp3 frame varies with bitrate, but little else |
22:35:16 | preglow | amiconn: this isn't the click issue |
22:35:24 | amiconn | I know |
22:35:36 | preglow | it never starts clicking a > 100% rate |
22:35:37 | preglow | only below |
22:35:51 | preglow | only when upsampling for some reason |
22:36:03 | preglow | the routiner are virtually identical, so god knows why |
22:36:10 | preglow | routines, yes |
22:36:41 | amiconn | Did you try to record such clicks? |
22:37:02 | amiconn | Perhaps the pattern can give some hint what's going on |
22:38:03 | preglow | i've tried, and the clicking is extremely subtle |
22:38:13 | preglow | there's only a one-two sample error going on somewhere |
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22:38:17 | markun | amiconn: will you do some heat mesurements tonight? |
22:38:29 | preglow | to such a degree that it's hard to see the clicks on the waveform |
22:38:54 | dpro | preglow: hmmm ... with cvs 03/06/06 + a few patches it seems wave works fine over here too ... good ;) *crossing fingers* |
22:39:10 | amiconn | preglow: Not even with a synthetic signal (i.e. sine wave)? |
22:39:44 | amiconn | markun: Don't know yet whether I'll find the time. Currently busy with charging state/display |
22:39:53 | amiconn | Big commit pending |
22:40:12 | dpro | preglow: but then it's probably not the resampler but the codec speed |
22:40:19 | preglow | amiconn: only signal i've tried's been a sine |
22:40:38 | dpro | preglow: granted if the reseampler used 0% cpu there would be more available for the codec ;) |
22:41:08 | amiconn | preglow: I would expect to see the period of the clicks, and whether the irregular samples are constant, or follow some kind of pattern |
22:41:19 | dpro | hah just had a dropout with pcm/wave at ~ 107% |
22:41:26 | amiconn | ..and whether the period is constant between multiple tries, or not |
22:41:27 | dpro | again |
22:41:34 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Speaking of charging state/display, I remember you saying that battery animation doesn't work in wps or something? |
22:41:50 | amiconn | Yes. It doesn't, and never did |
22:42:14 | dpro | preglow: play a ~8 minute track with wave at 110% and be patient .... it's really annoying when djing trust me |
22:42:17 | amiconn | I checked both the source and an old build for comparison |
22:42:23 | Genre9mp3 | You mean battery animation in status bar when in WPS? |
22:42:44 | amiconn | No I mean animation when using wps tags to construct a battery symbol |
22:43:18 | amiconn | Status bar anim always works (on the targets were Slasheri didn't break it) |
22:43:41 | Genre9mp3 | Well it always worked with iCatcher WPS |
22:43:48 | dpro | preglow: and again and again and again ... wave skips over here ... |
22:44:09 | PaulJam | Genre9mp3: but you use altenating sublines for the animation |
22:44:25 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Then you have probably implemented some kind of trickery that does the animation |
22:44:45 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: Yes, is there another way? |
22:44:53 | amiconn | A number of cvs wpses does that too, but it's not like the original status bar battery anim |
22:45:14 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: No, but I thought there was (I was wrong) |
22:45:46 | Genre9mp3 | So there's no problem with the wps tags after all, right? |
22:45:54 | petur | I like the fact that the statusbar battery icon shows the current level while charging |
22:46:34 | amiconn | petur: Yes, and I kept that in my new code, and improved it some more for other targets |
22:46:44 | preglow | dpro: not a skip here |
22:46:58 | amiconn | dpro: What ipod? |
22:47:02 | dpro | preglow: not in the last 3minutes here either |
22:47:10 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Do you intend to change the wps tags behavior? |
22:47:15 | dpro | preglow: video 60Gb and mini 2g |
22:47:18 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: nope |
22:47:22 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
22:47:33 | preglow | amiconn: the noise is periodic, i know as much, and the period changes between different codecs |
22:47:48 | dpro | preglow: but it's coming back I know I only have to patiently wait |
22:47:52 | amiconn | Between codecs, but not between multiple tries of the same codec? |
22:48:04 | preglow | amiconn: nope, at least i couldn't provoke that |
22:48:11 | preglow | amiconn: i made a wav and an mp2 of the same file |
22:48:24 | preglow | amiconn: and switched quickly between them, always the same noise with wav, and always the same but different with mp2 |
22:48:34 | dpro | preglow: how does the boosting thing work ? can only codecs boost or is this automagically depending on usage ? |
22:48:35 | amiconn | So it's codec dependent... maybe it has to do with the size of the sample blocks? |
22:48:51 | preglow | amiconn: i'm almost certain it's a dsp_input_size()/dsp_output_size() issues |
22:49:00 | dpro | preglow: I guess what I wanted to ask is if the resampler can also request a higher cpu freq |
22:50:24 | amiconn | preglow: Why not prove this theory? |
22:50:56 | dionoea | better looking sokoban: dionoea/dump%20060606-224900.png">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/dump%20060606-224900.png |
22:51:18 | petur | aaargh... can't seem to reproduce that freeze with the remote I got earlier :/ |
22:51:20 | dalong | elite!! |
22:51:28 | dalong | dionoea |
22:52:01 | dionoea | do the graphics look ok ? or should i change some of the tiles ? |
22:52:01 | amiconn | petur: I can easily provoke freezes... |
22:52:11 | petur | do you? |
22:52:25 | dpro | preglow: what ipod are you using ? |
22:52:38 | petur | the weather must have gotten better in Berlin too by now ;) |
22:52:53 | * | petur got sunburn... |
22:53:22 | amiconn | petur: Yes. Enter the recording screen with voice enabled. Record nothing, leave with stop. Either it freezes right away, or while moving back out of the menu, or at the latest when plugging usb |
22:53:47 | petur | but is that remote related? |
22:53:52 | amiconn | No |
22:54:01 | dpro | damn again 10 minutes without skips where are they when I need them >;-> |
22:54:12 | amiconn | It's a reliable way to freeze rockbox on iriver |
22:54:20 | petur | hmmm maybe what I got wasn't either - I was operating the main unit |
22:54:39 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: I like the new graphics! |
22:55:21 | dionoea | thanks :) |
22:55:48 | dionoea | (i guess that i won't be able to change them before the freeze ends ...) |
22:56:18 | amiconn | dionoea: Will you adapt th enew gfx for the smaller colour targets as well? |
22:56:26 | amiconn | (220x176 and 160x128) |
22:56:27 | dionoea | that's what i was about to do |
22:56:35 | amiconn | :) |
22:56:35 | petur | amiconn: I tried your recipe for a freeze but it didn't... |
22:56:37 | dionoea | i also have a pending minesweeper zoom change |
22:56:52 | dionoea | should i commit it (i have cvs write access i think) |
22:56:54 | dionoea | ? |
22:57:20 | amiconn | Hmm. At least it's not a new feature |
22:57:28 | amiconn | (the new gfx I mean) |
22:57:28 | dionoea | i can wait :) |
22:57:39 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: The graphics need to adopted to smaller screens? |
22:57:44 | dionoea | yep |
22:57:58 | Genre9mp3 | isn't the same size for all targets? |
22:58:08 | Genre9mp3 | I mean, the blocks... |
22:58:18 | dionoea | well this is for the video ipod screen ... and i changed the block size to make it bigger |
22:58:25 | dionoea | else it just hurt my eyes :D |
22:58:26 | Genre9mp3 | oh, ok |
22:59:43 | dionoea | what are the sims i should test to have at least one sample of each screen size/color depth ? |
23:00 |
23:00:05 | dionoea | (at least color screens) |
23:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ipod Nano, 4G Gray, 4G Color, 5G, Mini |
23:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And... err.. IAudio X5 |
23:00:31 | dionoea | all the other are b&w screens ? |
23:00:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 4G Gray and Mini are B&W |
23:00:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | So drop those |
23:00:56 | dionoea | and the archos or iriver targets ? |
23:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the H300 is the same as the 4G Color / Phot |
23:01:00 | dionoea | ok |
23:01:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are no color archoses supported |
23:01:06 | amiconn | dionoea: color: ipod video, either of ipod color or iriver h300, and iaudio X5 |
23:01:11 | Genre9mp3 | H100 the same with iPod 4g |
23:01:12 | amiconn | Oh, and ipod nano |
23:01:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | H100 is grayscale |
23:01:27 | Genre9mp3 | H300 same with iPod 4g colour |
23:02:20 | dionoea | ok, thanks |
23:03:36 | preglow | amiconn: i did start fiddling with it an could at least generate worse glitches that sounded extremely similar before i ran out of time |
23:03:44 | dpro | ok have to go out (as in leaving the house) to see a friend who arrived from zurich today ... |
23:04:01 | dpro | preglow: would it help to add boosting to the resampler ? |
23:04:33 | * | dpro must admit thatskimming through playback.c didn't make him exactly understand how boosting works though |
23:05:18 | preglow | amiconn: one issue i know of is that dsp_output_size() never takes into account the inital sample position of the resampler in each frame which might yield a one sample accuracy, but fixing it doesn't fix the glitch |
23:06:00 | preglow | amiconn: also, dsp_input_size() uses a completely different calculation method which also disregard the initial resample position, but again, i at least tried fixing it without the problem disappearing, but i didn't try too extensively |
23:06:00 | amiconn | dpro: Boosting is done in pcm_playback afaik |
23:06:03 | preglow | it's still on my schedule |
23:06:19 | preglow | dpro: the pcm buffer should autoboost once it's too low |
23:06:33 | preglow | dpro: so no, i don't think adding boosting to the resampler would do much at all apart from sucking more battery |
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23:06:59 | dpro | hmmm ... but with wave I never see it boosting but I stull get dropouts (though they are a bit - ahem - nondeterministic) |
23:07:00 | dionoea | hum ... using a laptop's trackpoint to draw isn't great ... |
23:07:17 | preglow | dpro: well, try setting rockbox to always boost |
23:07:27 | preglow | dpro: by manually incrementing the boost counter in the debug screen |
23:07:51 | vertz | Hi, i have a question: does Monster iCarPlay FM sender work with rockbox or only the original firmware? |
23:08:41 | dpro | preglow: hmmm what do the boost counter numbers actually mean ? |
23:09:05 | preglow | dpro: just set it to one to have it always be boosted, it's the internal boost/unboost counter |
23:12:46 | petur | vertz: if it does or need anything more than the audio connection then it's not supported (yet) |
23:13:25 | dpro | preglow: ok thx will try with boostin on and walk to the bar listening to waves @ 120% to see if the dropouts still occur |
23:13:36 | * | dpro will report back in this theatre |
23:13:48 | dpro | l8r |
23:14:03 | vertz | petur: ok thanks :) |
23:19:35 | preglow | walking to the bar listening to wavs at 120% pitch, now there's an enthusiast :) |
23:20:17 | nobelium | has anyone noticed accelerated BPM on iriver h300 playback? |
23:21:59 | dionoea | ipod color sokoban: dionoea/dump%20060606-232116.png">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/dump%20060606-232116.png |
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23:26:15 | amiconn | dionoea: Wee. That also covers H300 :) |
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23:30:10 | dionoea | hum ... the ipod nano's screen is really small |
23:30:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's bigger than the X5 |
23:31:19 | dionoea | hum, in fact an #if LCD_HEIGHT condition wasn't right in the sokoban source :) |
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23:32:01 | dionoea | are any of the color screens smaller than 128 pixels high ? |
23:32:41 | dionoea | for the nano: dionoea/dump%20060606-233144.png">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/dump%20060606-233144.png |
23:32:49 | lookingforhelp | is preglow still here? |
23:33:24 | preglow | he is |
23:33:28 | lookingforhelp | Goodie |
23:33:31 | lookingforhelp | I used vmware |
23:33:43 | lookingforhelp | where does it export the zip file? |
23:33:52 | preglow | that i wouldn't know, heh |
23:33:54 | preglow | never used it |
23:33:57 | preglow | but the wiki page should tell |
23:33:58 | lookingforhelp | urrgg |
23:34:00 | lookingforhelp | It doesnt |
23:34:03 | preglow | hmm |
23:34:06 | preglow | lemme think |
23:34:06 | lookingforhelp | I checked everywhere |
23:34:08 | lookingforhelp | It worked though |
23:34:14 | preglow | hmm |
23:34:21 | preglow | doesn't it show up as a share |
23:34:21 | preglow | ? |
23:34:36 | lookingforhelp | a share? Where's that |
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23:35:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: I believe the X5 is 160x128, nothing smaller in color |
23:35:22 | preglow | hmm |
23:35:27 | preglow | lookingforhelp: the share name is \\debian\user |
23:35:32 | preglow | lookingforhelp: enter that into an explorer window |
23:35:37 | preglow | lookingforhelp: it should then ask for a password |
23:35:45 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks. Do the grey scale LCDs have HAVE_LCD_COLOR defined ? |
23:36:00 | lookingforhelp | explorer window? Sorry, I feel like such a newbie. |
23:36:04 | preglow | lookingforhelp: with vmware running, of course |
23:36:16 | amiconn | dionoea: No, as that would be outright wrong |
23:36:24 | preglow | lookingforhelp: what, a newbie to windows as well? :) just enter it in the run command dialog if you wish |
23:36:32 | amiconn | You can check for greyscale vs. black&white by checking LCD_DEPTH |
23:36:38 | dionoea | amiconn: i'm just asking :D |
23:37:15 | lookingforhelp | enter \\debain\user into vmware? |
23:37:19 | preglow | lookingforhelp: we're talking in windows here, not in vmware |
23:37:32 | lookingforhelp | into a command prompt then? |
23:37:42 | preglow | lookingforhelp: while vmware is running, just open an explorer window and type \\debian\user into it |
23:37:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookingforhelp: Easiest place is Start->Run |
23:37:47 | dionoea | amiconn: so is it ok that i commit the sokoban changes ? |
23:37:51 | preglow | lookingforhelp: or open the start menu and use 'run' |
23:37:59 | lookingforhelp | run a command prompt |
23:38:10 | lookingforhelp | ok |
23:38:21 | preglow | you can do it from the command prompt as well, but it's far from the easiest way |
23:38:28 | lookingforhelp | The network path was not found |
23:38:32 | lookingforhelp | thats the message I got :( |
23:38:59 | preglow | have a look at network neighbourhood |
23:39:03 | preglow | and see if it's listed there |
23:39:05 | klrspz | dos prompt doesn't support UNC locations |
23:39:13 | preglow | this really should have worked, though |
23:39:24 | klrspz | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>cd \\johng |
23:39:24 | klrspz | '\\johng' |
23:39:24 | klrspz | CMD does not support UNC paths as current directories. |
23:39:41 | preglow | klrspz: nah, but copy and all those other guys do recognize them, don't they? |
23:39:57 | klrspz | mm.. dunno, never messed with that directly |
23:40:06 | klrspz | nope |
23:40:10 | preglow | me neither, i just vaguely remember doing so |
23:40:11 | preglow | okies |
23:40:20 | klrspz | oh wait, yeah it does |
23:40:26 | amiconn | copy and friends do support unc paths |
23:40:39 | klrspz | blah, MS and the inconsistencies |
23:40:40 | preglow | \o/ |
23:40:56 | lookingforhelp | Erg.. |
23:40:57 | amiconn | ..but imho the easiest way for accessing an unc path is entering that path into the location bar of a windows explorer window |
23:41:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookingforhelp: VMWare is running while you try to do this, right? |
23:41:13 | klrspz | agreed |
23:41:21 | lookingforhelp | Yes |
23:41:26 | Presence | net use x: \\server\share |
23:41:30 | preglow | lookingforhelp: what windows do you use? |
23:41:36 | lookingforhelp | XP |
23:41:40 | preglow | then blargh |
23:41:42 | preglow | it should work |
23:41:45 | lookingforhelp | I open a command prompt and type what? |
23:42:03 | preglow | you open a ordinary explorer window |
23:42:08 | lookingforhelp | Ok |
23:42:09 | preglow | and type \\debian\user in the location bar |
23:42:15 | preglow | if that doesn't work, try just \\debian |
23:42:18 | lookingforhelp | Oh! |
23:42:21 | preglow | but it should work :/ |
23:42:25 | klrspz | you guys helping for compiling and such? |
23:42:33 | preglow | klrspz: apparently, heh |
23:42:42 | preglow | someone has to |
23:42:44 | klrspz | coo.. |
23:43:09 | klrspz | i had gotten all the way to the CVS extraction (btw, aren't you guys moving to SVN yet?) and then gave up |
23:43:10 | klrspz | lol |
23:43:25 | lookingforhelp | I dont even have a debain. |
23:43:30 | lookingforhelp | I did everything on the wiki |
23:43:31 | preglow | klrspz: of course we're moving to svn, bagder just reminding again and again that we're doing so |
23:43:35 | preglow | klrspz: i suggest you remind him too! |
23:43:42 | klrspz | haha |
23:44:08 | preglow | lookingforhelp: then i really can't help you anymore, i don't have the means to test myself |
23:44:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | lookingforhelp: You may want to reboot your computer, or shut down VMWare and re-run it. It should show up on your network as a computer named Debian. |
23:45:12 | lookingforhelp | I'll do that. |
23:45:14 | klrspz | what if his network settings are fubar? |
23:45:18 | lookingforhelp | I'll come back if I need help. |
23:45:18 | klrspz | in vmware |
23:45:19 | lookingforhelp | Thanks guys |
23:45:25 | klrspz | do you have to bridge? |
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23:45:35 | klrspz | (it's been about 3 years since i've messed with vmware) |
23:45:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: It _should_ work out of the box, unless he changed anything. |
23:45:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or, possibly, if there's something funky about his home network. |
23:45:55 | * | dionoea waits for the "ok" to commit the sokoban display changes |
23:47:35 | preglow | dionoea: i'd give you an ok, but i know nothing about a) sokoban, b) your changes |
23:47:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as they're just new .bmps, it should be fine. |
23:47:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though... |
23:48:01 | preglow | does it affect release target code at all? |
23:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the sake of consistency they shouldn't go in. |
23:48:22 | preglow | ahh, right, feature freeze |
23:48:22 | preglow | haha |
23:48:48 | klrspz | well, is there not a trunk dedicated to a live distro? |
23:49:14 | dionoea | this is the diff: dionoea/rockbox.sokoban.patch">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/rockbox.sokoban.patch |
23:49:24 | klrspz | do the merges in that one for files you WANT to release.. otherwise the testing trunk could contain any commits anyone in the world wants to add |
23:49:25 | dionoea | (+ the 3 bitmaps) |
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23:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | klrspz: That removes the pressure for people to work on the release. People can just forget about it and continue playing with the testing one. |
23:50:41 | preglow | which is the entire point of the feature freeze |
23:50:49 | preglow | not that it works perfectly anyway, but hey |
23:50:53 | dionoea | isn't that what open source projects are about ? having fun on new features ? :D |
23:50:57 | klrspz | yeah |
23:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | But sometimes you've got to say "Alright, nobody commits ANYTHING new until this list of bugs are fixed." |
23:51:18 | klrspz | on our projects here at work, we each have our own trunk, and check it into a "test trunk", then it gets merged later into a "live trunk" |
23:51:19 | preglow | you still can |
23:51:22 | preglow | just not have them commited yet |
23:51:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way if you want to show off "Shiny new thing alpha" you have to get the bugs fixed first. |
23:52:11 | preglow | right now we're stuck with bugs that only a few people have much knowledge about, it seems |
23:52:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | =/ |
23:52:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is unfortunate. |
23:52:57 | klrspz | well, i really have no input in the whole scheme of things.. ya'll are doing a kickass job none-the-less |
23:52:58 | preglow | very |
23:53:05 | klrspz | i'm finally proud of my ipod |
23:53:33 | preglow | unfortunately one of them is mine |
23:53:35 | Genre9mp3 | there are 22 bugs due in 3.0 at least in the FS |
23:53:49 | preglow | i'll see if i can have a look at it again tomorrow |
23:54:00 | preglow | at least i'm fairly certain my code isn't the problem |
23:54:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Always a plus |
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23:54:48 | preglow | haha |
23:54:53 | preglow | not for me easily fixing it |
23:54:55 | klrspz | touchy question, is there a R.D. for v3? |
23:55:03 | preglow | r.d ? |
23:55:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
23:55:07 | dionoea | 1st of may (on the wiki) |
23:55:09 | preglow | date? |
23:55:10 | preglow | hell no |
23:55:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been pushed back many times |
23:55:19 | preglow | we're at the point where we release when we can now |
23:55:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately we were a wee bit ambitious with it |
23:55:24 | preglow | release dates don't seem to work out for us |
23:55:48 | preglow | which is something we need to keep in mind for the future |
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23:56:00 | preglow | imho we should strike out the 3.1 date right now |
23:56:14 | preglow | keeping the release goals, of course |
23:56:19 | * | Febs reiterates his proposal that we should never EVER set a firm release date again. |
23:56:20 | Genre9mp3 | It's easier to predict the Dow Jones index than the Rockbox 3.0 Release Date! :) |
23:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the release goals need to be rethought |
23:56:25 | preglow | just deciding on a freeze when the featureset nears our goal |
23:56:31 | preglow | Febs: hear, hear |
23:56:38 | BHSPitMonkey | "Latest news: extended freezing period suggested" |
23:56:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think any feature not in before the freeze shouldn't be attempted to be implemented during it. |
23:56:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, no bugs as vague as the H300 power problem |
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23:57:14 | Genre9mp3 | Will be a 3.0 release for the H300 anyway? |
23:57:20 | preglow | suggestions for a new topic? :> |
23:57:45 | preglow | Genre9mp3: with the current bug fixing speed there's a small possibility |
23:57:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Now serving: Frostbite. |
23:57:59 | bluebrother | "Dow Jones index is easier to guess than Rockbox 3.0 ;-)" |
23:58:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Nobody's identified the power problem yet, which is the main rift between the H100 and H300 status I believe |
23:58:22 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: I don't think there should be a release for the H300 with the power leaking problem |
23:58:28 | dionoea | hum, when compiling for a true target i get: /home/dionoea/rockbox/arm/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x2000148 of /home/dionoea/rockbox/rockbox/builds/ipod/apps/plugins/sokoban.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM |
23:58:28 | preglow | me neither |
23:58:30 | preglow | most agree |
23:58:37 | dionoea | anyone know what that means ? (well ... how to fix it ?) |
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23:59:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: It means that the plugin ends up too big. |
23:59:01 | preglow | dionoea: debug on? |