| 00:10:29 | amiconn | strange... |
| 00:13:56 | Genre9mp3 | aniconn: got any news? |
| 00:14:03 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 00:14:52 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: that's why we have a tab button! :P |
| 00:15:39 | Genre9mp3 | oops |
| 00:15:43 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 00:16:41 | Genre9mp3 | well, thanx for the tab tip... |
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| 00:18:15 | timofonic | < amiconn> timofonic: There is no 'best' player. All the supported players have their pro and cons <−−- Any wiki or doc showing that? :D |
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| 00:23:14 | Bagder | timofonic: the pros and cons are not always objective but based on opinions |
| 00:24:03 | Bagder | but no, I don't know of any page that tries to compare all our supported platforms |
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| 03:49:37 | tge101 | are there any other themes to get for 5g video other than what's on the site? are there any external places to get some? |
| 03:50:24 | JdGordon | misticriver might have some.. but prob not |
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| 03:50:32 | JdGordon | nothing is stopping you making your own.. |
| 03:50:58 | tge101 | other than the fact that i just put it on and i dont even know how to install a theme let alone create one |
| 03:51:40 | earHertz | tge101: copy teh them to your ipod, then go to menu | Browse Theme, "play" teh one you want |
| 03:52:53 | tge101 | you cant play video through rockbox either can you? |
| 03:53:01 | XavierGr | no you can't |
| 03:53:07 | tge101 | damn |
| 03:53:25 | earHertz | tge101: nor can you utilize both processors |
| 03:53:33 | earHertz | it's a work in progress |
| 03:54:01 | earHertz | on the other hand, rockbox can do things teh apple firmware can't |
| 03:54:25 | tge101 | can you still switch back between that and the original in order to play videos? |
| 03:54:38 | earHertz | tge101: sure, by rebotting |
| 03:54:41 | earHertz | rebooting |
| 03:54:51 | tge101 | ? |
| 03:54:55 | tge101 | it just loads into rockbox |
| 03:55:04 | earHertz | when you reboot, hold down the menu button. after a while, the apple firmweare will boot |
| 03:55:12 | tge101 | im sorry, i know nothing about this stuff |
| 03:55:15 | earHertz | it takes a bit longer than it should |
| 03:55:31 | earHertz | tge101: no worries, we all have to learn sometime |
| 03:56:39 | tge101 | its still just goin into rockbox.... |
| 03:56:41 | earHertz | anyone else have a 60gb video? |
| 03:57:19 | earHertz | tge101: hold down menu and the middle button until you see the apple logo. then release the center button and continue to hold menu |
| 03:57:32 | earHertz | eventually, it will print "loagiong original firmware" |
| 03:57:36 | earHertz | relase the buttion and wait |
| 03:57:56 | tge101 | there we go |
| 03:57:58 | tge101 | thank you |
| 03:58:02 | earHertz | np |
| 03:58:22 | tge101 | so, if i got the latest build are there any other apps to load on or does it have everything? |
| 03:58:38 | earHertz | tge101: everything but the really big themes |
| 03:58:46 | earHertz | those you need to load manaually |
| 03:59:10 | tge101 | but all the applications are already on there? |
| 03:59:16 | earHertz | there are a few plugins that you have to build yourself, miostly ones for testing |
| 03:59:27 | earHertz | all thr fun ones are on there |
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| 04:00:01 | tge101 | are doom or the gameboy roms worth getting? seems like it would be tricky to play |
| 04:00:39 | earHertz | tge101: haven't triwed them |
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| 04:58:02 | geesus | Heya guys! I installed rockbox on my iriver h320 last week and I just wanna say I lub it :) |
| 04:58:26 | geesus | and pabs smells! :) |
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| 05:19:17 | webguest19 | Hey, the FAQ and other documentation don't mention anything about Video playback on Rockbox for iPod G5's. What video formats are playable, if any? |
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| 05:21:47 | XavierGr | there is no Video support in Rockbox |
| 05:22:07 | XavierGr | If you want Video boot to the original firmware |
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| 07:31:30 | sharpe | ah, people see me as helpful apparently. |
| 07:35:45 | sharpe | time to sleep. |
| 07:38:23 | ashridah | hrm. does compiling rockbox for irivers work on amd64 yet? |
| 07:38:39 | B4gder | I think it does |
| 07:38:43 | ashridah | or is gcc's coldfire cross compiler still broken? |
| 07:39:06 | ashridah | cool. am i going to need to leech cvs or something? |
| 07:39:19 | ashridah | or can i get a recent gcc-core-3.4.blah ? |
| 07:39:31 | B4gder | I don't know, I just know that amiconn's amd64 is used in the cvs build farm |
| 07:41:46 | markun | morning guys |
| 07:41:47 | ashridah | ah well, i've got enough of a library chain to run the 32bit version i had compiled in my home directory anyway, i think :) |
| 07:42:15 | preglow | ashridah: you need to patch it |
| 07:42:32 | ashridah | preglow: that's what i suspected. |
| 07:42:42 | ashridah | might use the 32bit version. just got to install a few dev tools first |
| 07:42:46 | markun | B4gder: we have another guy helping out with the gigabeat port. There is 5 of us now. |
| 07:43:03 | B4gder | yay |
| 07:44:53 | markun | And a lot of people who don't know anything telling us what we should do of course :) |
| 07:45:32 | B4gder | ah, the friendly helpers |
| 07:45:42 | B4gder | "you only need to..." |
| 07:46:33 | ashridah | hmm. tempted to order a copy of the vista beta2 and rc1 |
| 07:47:01 | markun | One guy even thinks we should give up and for the ipod original firmware because "rock box cant even play video yet, so whats the point?" |
| 07:47:35 | markun | PORT the ipod firmware even |
| 07:47:40 | B4gder | trolls are everywhere |
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| 08:00:04 | amiconn | ashridah: You can build m68k-elf-gcc-3.4.x with a tiny patch |
| 08:00:35 | ashridah | amiconn: it's cool. i might just use my pre-existing 32bit toolchain for the time being, i'll look into it later. got the patch handy tho? |
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| 08:01:22 | amiconn | cvs gcc is said to be fixed, but (1) I didn't verify this yet, and (2) gcc >= 4 isn't recommended for coldfire rockbox |
| 08:01:35 | ashridah | yeah |
| 08:01:44 | ashridah | wasn't going to be digging out gcc 4 |
| 08:01:49 | amiconn | hmm, lemme check |
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| 08:02:55 | ashridah | i'm actually surprised that i've got enough of a multi-arch system out of the box that my pre-existing gcc build works okay :) |
| 08:03:29 | ashridah | thanks |
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| 08:12:49 | amiconn | Hmm. On ipod, we need to find some control pin for the charging current. Charging via USB takes ages in rockbox (almost 10:30 for my mini g2) |
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| 08:20:19 | Xinux | 10 hours ? and 30 minutes ?! |
| 08:20:23 | Xinux | christ~!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:20:39 | ashridah | till what? |
| 08:20:47 | ashridah | oh wait. charging nevermind. |
| 08:20:53 | dwihno | charing my g5 also takes forever |
| 08:20:56 | amiconn | Yeah, I think it only draws the minimum allowed from USB by default (100 mA) |
| 08:21:12 | Xinux | there a way to increase that ? |
| 08:21:44 | amiconn | The battery is 630mAh, and from that and the charging time it's easy to calculate that the actual charging current is 60mA |
| 08:22:34 | amiconn | The rest is obviously needed for the running system |
| 08:23:30 | ashridah | the max from usb is 500mA isn't it? |
| 08:23:32 | preglow | yeah, i think i've noticed charging being slow in rockbox too |
| 08:23:34 | preglow | ashridah: yes |
| 08:23:47 | ashridah | sounds like it should be possible to jack it up a bit :) |
| 08:23:53 | Xinux | thats a BIG downside =\ |
| 08:24:07 | Xinux | well not that bad because i leave it charge overnight, so that might be a good thing |
| 08:24:29 | ashridah | of course, it stands to reason, iirc, the usb specs state that a device shouldn't draw more than 100mA until it's initialized itself properly with the host and been authorized to use more, iirc. |
| 08:24:30 | amiconn | ashridah: Yes, but the correct way would be to ask the host system (via the usb protocol) how much current the port can provide before drawing more |
| 08:24:36 | ashridah | not that many devices really adhere to that |
| 08:24:37 | amiconn | 100mA is granted |
| 08:25:12 | Xinux | i'll STAB you |
| 08:25:17 | ashridah | nice that the hardware's a good player even when the software isn't yet :) |
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| 08:25:48 | ashridah | Xinux: it's mostly a technical issue, and a resolvable one, at that. |
| 08:25:54 | ashridah | nothing to get riled up about |
| 08:25:59 | Xinux | lol |
| 08:26:04 | Xinux | anyways, im out |
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| 08:26:19 | amiconn | Disk mode charges way faster, so if you don't need the player, letting it charge in disk mode is an option |
| 08:32:49 | JdGordon | <ashridah> hmm. tempted to order a copy of the vista beta2 and rc1 <- you can just download it.. why bother ordering the dvd? |
| 08:33:51 | ashridah | JdGordon: i'm on dialup. it'd take a week and a half |
| 08:34:01 | JdGordon | ah.. :D |
| 08:34:02 | ashridah | if not longer |
| 08:34:13 | ashridah | yeah. i'll probably get a mate to leech it |
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| 08:43:47 | moda|ASOT | hay guys :) |
| 08:44:33 | moda|ASOT | i bought a 40gb 1.8inch drive for $40, and a 1.8inch -> usb convert for $30.... ones comming tomorrow, and the other one monday, so hopefully its the hdd thats dead to resurrect my h300 or i get a nifty 40gb portable hdd :) |
| 08:46:37 | JdGordon | $40?? well done |
| 08:47:12 | moda|ASOT | yea, its comes from a dead h140, with everything included :) |
| 08:47:22 | moda|ASOT | so i get a spare battery and lcd remote too :) |
| 08:47:35 | JdGordon | can i buy the remote off ya? |
| 08:47:45 | JdGordon | youve got 2 now dont u? |
| 08:47:50 | moda|ASOT | depends on whether i get my h340 working or not :) |
| 08:48:00 | moda|ASOT | yea, ive got 2 lcd remotes and 2 nonlcd remotes now :) |
| 08:48:19 | moda|ASOT | my sisters h120 remote is still here somewhere, and she now has a h320 |
| 08:48:28 | JdGordon | niice |
| 08:48:54 | JdGordon | well if u want to let go of a lcd remote cheapish ill take one.. otherwise ill buy the non-lcd for cheap also... |
| 08:49:00 | * | JdGordon is sick of no remote :'( |
| 08:49:02 | moda|ASOT | will do JdGordon |
| 08:49:09 | JdGordon | awesome :) |
| 08:49:25 | moda|ASOT | if my h340 is fully dead, ill let you have choice of either, as ill sell all my iriver crap and get an ipod... :) |
| 08:50:01 | moda|ASOT | btw, has anyone noticed that the rockbox themes for ipod 5g are about 1000000000x better than those for h300 :( :| |
| 08:50:36 | JdGordon | more ipod users than h300 users? |
| 08:50:43 | Mikachu | aren't they compatible? |
| 08:50:59 | moda|ASOT | nope, ipod 5g are for 320x240 screens |
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| 08:51:33 | Mikachu | maybe it was h300 and ipod 4g then, i don't have either :) |
| 08:52:59 | moda|ASOT | if apple release a new ipod, with a few mods rockbox should work, right? |
| 08:53:10 | B4gder | perhaps |
| 08:53:10 | Mikachu | that depends entirely on what changes they made to it |
| 08:53:35 | moda|ASOT | coz im yet to figure out if my iriver is truly dead, to wait for the new ipod, which most likely would be a pmp style one, or just get a current ipod video :| |
| 08:53:36 | B4gder | they _are_ changing chips so the next one is bound to be more different than previous recent ones have been |
| 08:53:58 | moda|ASOT | dunno if wait for new one or just get the current one :| |
| 08:54:25 | JdGordon | get an x5 of gigabeat.. |
| 08:54:46 | moda|ASOT | that made no sense whatsoever JdGordon |
| 08:54:54 | moda|ASOT | :p |
| 08:54:58 | JdGordon | or.. damn typo |
| 08:55:13 | JdGordon | unless u want the fassion accesspry and not the DAP |
| 08:55:26 | moda|ASOT | i dont really like the look of the gigabeat, and it worries me that it uses windows ce :| |
| 08:55:53 | B4gder | uhu? |
| 08:55:56 | B4gder | it doesn't |
| 08:55:57 | JdGordon | or.. be the first on the block with a sansa e200 |
| 08:56:01 | markun | moda|ASOT: only the new S version uses windows |
| 08:56:07 | moda|ASOT | thats what i mean |
| 08:56:44 | moda|ASOT | i was using my friends 5g, it was pretty good, the screen is awesome |
| 08:56:48 | moda|ASOT | way better than the h300 |
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| 09:01:54 | moda|ASOT | sif not rockbox the gigabeat s |
| 09:01:57 | moda|ASOT | then id buy it |
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| 09:06:20 | moda|ASOT | hrm... cnet are seady |
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| 09:09:42 | JdGordon | seady? |
| 09:10:54 | moda|ASOT | ummm. dodgy is what i meant |
| 09:11:14 | moda|ASOT | i want to either get an iriver clix and then wait for the new ipod or get an ipod 5g or get a gigabeat s |
| 09:11:15 | moda|ASOT | hrm |
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| 09:17:01 | petur | these DAP player names are getting funny: http://www.i4u.com/article5812.html |
| 09:17:18 | petur | NANA manga |
| 09:19:02 | JdGordon | do people like the idea of setting up doxygen to try getting the source documented a bit better? |
| 09:19:46 | B4gder | if you can show us a good output example from it |
| 09:19:55 | petur | maybe... I think FIRST we need comments in the code, and maybe do them doxygen style while we're at it |
| 09:20:20 | B4gder | personally, I mostly see doxygen output looking like crap |
| 09:20:23 | B4gder | being next to useless |
| 09:20:44 | JdGordon | still better than nothing.. |
| 09:20:52 | B4gder | I disagree |
| 09:21:15 | B4gder | if we're gonna enforce comment syntax etc |
| 09:21:22 | B4gder | it better provide a clear benefit |
| 09:21:40 | B4gder | otherwise its just wasted efforts |
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| 09:23:52 | * | JdGordon just installed it and is having a play |
| 09:24:22 | * | moda|ASOT whistles |
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| 09:25:35 | * | Mikachu loiters |
| 09:25:39 | amiconn | Well, I never used doxygen, but if it's the thing that requires those silly, multi-line comments before each function then I'd rather not want it |
| 09:28:17 | JdGordon | it is.. |
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| 09:30:49 | JdGordon | jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox/html/">http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox/html/ is the default output if any1 wants to have a look |
| 09:31:04 | luckz | 09:11:15 < moda|ASOT> i want to either get an iriver clix and then wait for the new ipod or get an ipod 5g or get a gigabeat s <- what's wrong with, say, iAudio? |
| 09:31:11 | JdGordon | obvioously the FLAC code is doxygen ready which is why the homepage is about it... |
| 09:32:38 | moda|ASOT | because it doesnt meet what i want luckz/ |
| 09:32:52 | moda|ASOT | i want something that does 30fps video and is still a dap |
| 09:33:07 | luckz | the iaudio does not do 30fps? |
| 09:33:14 | B4gder | nope |
| 09:33:16 | moda|ASOT | no, only 15fp |
| 09:33:20 | moda|ASOT | 15fps iirc |
| 09:33:50 | luckz | okay, nevermind me then. didn't know that. |
| 09:34:34 | markun | And the resolution is also not very nice for video playback |
| 09:35:28 | preglow | we already have some doxygen tags in our code |
| 09:37:08 | JdGordon | im sure with a decent css the output would look nicer.. |
| 09:37:36 | moda|ASOT | video playback on rockbox still a long way off i suppose? |
| 09:38:26 | pondlife | Audio playback needs to work first ;-) |
| 09:38:33 | pondlife | Sorry |
| 09:38:55 | moda|ASOT | heh |
| 09:39:25 | markun | moda|ASOT: mirak has experimented a bit with xvid and a mpeg1/2 decoders. They are in the tracker. |
| 09:39:43 | moda|ASOT | did it work well at all? |
| 09:39:50 | petur | slooow |
| 09:40:04 | markun | 2-3fps on his H300 |
| 09:40:07 | moda|ASOT | ouch |
| 09:40:17 | markun | Without displaying the images on screen |
| 09:40:24 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 09:40:41 | moda|ASOT | thats because they wouldnt have been optimized etc and it was only prelim |
| 09:40:44 | moda|ASOT | ? |
| 09:41:09 | JdGordon | and the proccessor isnt great for video.. |
| 09:41:11 | markun | yes, and maybe xvid and mpeg2 (he didn't try mpeg1) are a bit too heavy |
| 09:42:17 | markun | Let's hope the 300MHz ARM9 in my gigabeat will perform a bit better. Of course the screen is also a bit bigger. |
| 09:42:23 | muesli|delhi | amiconn well done btw :) |
| 09:42:42 | moda|ASOT | video on the ipod g5 should be sweet shouldnt it? |
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| 09:42:49 | moda|ASOT | since it has a dedicated video decoder |
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| 09:47:33 | JdGordon | http://ljdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox/html/structplugin__api.html <- ok, sop maybe it is easier to just look at the .h, that page is horrible :p |
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| 09:53:41 | preglow | my only problem with doxygen is that people set it up, then almost never follow up with using it |
| 09:53:49 | preglow | doxygen itself is just fine |
| 09:55:47 | nudelyn | i hate doxygen. you end up with documentation that is just wahtever garbage you could get from reading the .h files instead, and people think their job makign documentation is done and don't bother to write proper docs. :( not that the tool itself is wrong, but it encourages people to be lazy yet think they've done something useful |
| 09:56:33 | * | nudelyn tries desperately to resist ranting about log4* where the oh-so-helpful documentation tells you that certain methods were written on a laptop on a plane (big deal!) but not what they actually do |
| 09:56:44 | preglow | doxygen docs can be proper, but you can't just document functions and call it a job |
| 09:56:56 | nudelyn | ja |
| 09:56:56 | * | bluebrother likes doxygen |
| 09:57:10 | preglow | anyway |
| 09:57:11 | preglow | i don't really care |
| 09:57:23 | preglow | i wish rockbox code was commented better, and don't particularily care how it's done |
| 09:57:40 | preglow | a single convention for documenting functions would be nice, tohugh |
| 09:57:41 | preglow | though too |
| 09:57:55 | bluebrother | especially the automated generation of call graphs can be really helpful. |
| 09:57:56 | petur | same here... some comment in the code would already be nice |
| 09:57:59 | nudelyn | it's never a bad idea |
| 09:58:34 | nudelyn | if you have to think about something to write the code you should put a comment, i always say. helps you later and helps other people. |
| 09:59:15 | JdGordon | but with soo much undocumented code, its gonna be fun trying to find people to go and document it now, |
| 09:59:25 | petur | no.. if you even think somebody will have to think about a piece of code... put a comment |
| 09:59:30 | preglow | bluebrother: ooh, call graphs? didn't know about that |
| 09:59:34 | preglow | only inheritance graphs for oo code |
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| 10:00:16 | Mikachu | can't you do that without comments? |
| 10:00:25 | nudelyn | visual studio (maybe eclipse as well, i can't remember) will show caller and callee graphs automatically |
| 10:00:47 | petur | where? |
| 10:02:41 | nudelyn | just right-click an identifier: http://www.pretentiousname.com/temp/call-graphs.png |
| 10:03:22 | petur | hmmm... what version is that? |
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| 10:03:51 | nudelyn | 2005 |
| 10:04:02 | * | petur runs 7.1 |
| 10:04:44 | bluebrother | has kdevelop a function like that? |
| 10:05:41 | petur | nudelyn: that probably only works when you've created at project file of course.... |
| 10:06:21 | nudelyn | Yeah, i think you would have to compile it first within VS to generate the browse info. Can't just load some source into it |
| 10:06:39 | nudelyn | so maybe not so useful for rockbox :( |
| 10:06:59 | petur | I don't think it needs compiling, just generate browse info |
| 10:07:25 | nudelyn | oh, i didn't know you could do one without the other |
| 10:07:46 | petur | is the intellisense stuff for functions and structmembers any better in 2005? It sucks in 2003 (7.1) |
| 10:08:00 | nudelyn | yeah it is |
| 10:08:07 | nudelyn | seems more reliable |
| 10:08:09 | petur | half the time it doesn't know about members |
| 10:08:58 | nudelyn | The VisualAssist (I think it's called) add-on is meant to have a better intellisense replacement but I've never cared enough to want to pay money for it |
| 10:09:15 | nudelyn | A friend from work raves about it though |
| 10:10:14 | petur | VisualAssist is nice... |
| 10:10:24 | petur | had it for devstudio5 |
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| 10:11:04 | petur | we dont have it for the newer devstudio as it's supposed to be built-in, but it sucks |
| 10:11:40 | petur | it was a bit slow though |
| 10:11:53 | nudelyn | i'm still using vs2003 at work (C#) but use 2005 at home (C++) and 2005 is so much better. (the icons are prettier, for a start!) |
| 10:12:30 | petur | must check here if I can get my hands on 2005 then ;) |
| 10:12:32 | nudelyn | i still miss stuff from VC6, like being able to press escape twice to close the output window and give focus to the source :( not a fan of the new UI but the other changes make it worth the pain |
| 10:12:55 | petur | yes, that esc trick was indeed nice |
| 10:13:26 | petur | now I use the automatic expanding windows |
| 10:13:27 | nudelyn | i wrote a little macro which toggles the output window, find results, tasks and some other pane i forget, so i can toggle them with ctrl-` which is almost as nice, but its crazy that it isn't built in |
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| 10:16:31 | * | petur wonders if amiconn tried to tame the isp1362 |
| 10:17:53 | preglow | we know how it's connected? |
| 10:18:03 | petur | almost |
| 10:18:11 | petur | H_SUSPEND still missing |
| 10:19:43 | preglow | ouch |
| 10:19:51 | preglow | that sounds like something we want |
| 10:20:30 | petur | but I was wondering if setting RESET and D_SUSPEND correctly already lowerd dissipation |
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| 10:24:53 | ritalin | figure this be a good place to ask: Whats a good command line tool for syncing directorys? |
| 10:24:59 | JdGordon | cp ? |
| 10:25:04 | preglow | rsync? |
| 10:25:05 | * | B4gder uses rsync |
| 10:25:18 | ritalin | like when i add more stuff to ~/music/ i can just make it same on /mnt/ipod/ |
| 10:25:19 | * | petur doesn't use a command line |
| 10:25:42 | B4gder | rsync -avW −−progress −−size-only −−delete /data/mp3/* /mnt/archos/ |
| 10:26:04 | ritalin | danke |
| 10:26:21 | MrStaticVoid | heh...−−size-only |
| 10:26:36 | MrStaticVoid | ive been wondering for months why rsync doesnt work well with fat |
| 10:26:45 | MrStaticVoid | something to do with modifcation times |
| 10:26:55 | MrStaticVoid | i bet that switch would have save a lot of headaches |
| 10:26:58 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:29:25 | ritalin | B4gder: is the wildcard needed? |
| 10:29:32 | ritalin | they are in subdirectorys |
| 10:29:38 | B4gder | I don't think so |
| 10:29:42 | ritalin | ok |
| 10:32:08 | JdGordon | B4gder: what does AFAIHUI stand for? |
| 10:33:37 | petur | hahaha... |
| 10:33:55 | petur | every1 knows that, no? |
| 10:33:57 | JdGordon | i get as far as "as far as i'm" ? |
| 10:34:59 | ritalin | Hostname: sandman.bedroom - OS: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE/i386 - CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+ (2083.11-MHz 686-class CPU) - Processes: 89 - Uptime: 22m - Load Average: 0.10 - Memory Usage: 58.30MB/1007.41MB (5.79%) - Disk Usage: 87.51GB/135.13GB (64.76%) |
| 10:35:03 | ritalin | crap |
| 10:35:03 | petur | JdGordon: the answer is in the next mail on the ml |
| 10:35:04 | ritalin | wrong chan |
| 10:35:07 | ritalin | sorry |
| 10:35:26 | JdGordon | i must have missed it... /me goes to re-read |
| 10:35:57 | JdGordon | ah, i did |
| 10:37:03 | ritalin | its deleting tons of stuff |
| 10:37:04 | ritalin | lol |
| 10:37:13 | * | ritalin hopes B4gder didnt make himn delete his music |
| 10:37:49 | B4gder | muaahahahaaaa |
| 10:38:01 | ritalin | jup |
| 10:38:06 | ritalin | it was my fault |
| 10:38:07 | B4gder | :-P |
| 10:38:19 | B4gder | I showed you the command line I frequently use |
| 10:38:20 | ritalin | should have been /mnt/ipod/music |
| 10:38:26 | ritalin | not /mnt/ipod |
| 10:38:29 | B4gder | ah! |
| 10:38:30 | ritalin | delete my .rockbox |
| 10:38:34 | ritalin | deleted |
| 10:38:36 | ritalin | o well |
| 10:38:38 | ritalin | no worries |
| 10:38:45 | ritalin | didnt fuck with my ~/ |
| 10:42:01 | JdGordon | if dircache is running, can any part of the core access the cirectory listing? |
| 10:42:19 | JdGordon | like, is it easy to get a list of all directories from it? |
| 10:42:44 | kerb | btw, has anyone found a way to use the music in both rockbox and the ipod firmware with newer itunesdb? |
| 10:42:46 | JdGordon | or do u still have to recursivly scan the dirs like normal? |
| 10:43:02 | B4gder | kerb: enable tag cache |
| 10:43:44 | kerb | B4gder: Tag cache is on, I don't see what that has to do with the iPod original firmware? |
| 10:43:56 | B4gder | because then you can let it have its crippled ways |
| 10:44:02 | B4gder | and still use the music in rockbox |
| 10:44:25 | kerb | Ah yeah, no I was thinking about the rebuilding of the itunesdb with a sane file structure :) |
| 10:44:31 | B4gder | aha |
| 10:44:47 | kerb | I tried a bit with foo_pod but that seems to have become quite outdated |
| 10:44:50 | B4gder | that's out of my knowledge sphere |
| 10:46:39 | kerb | oh well |
| 10:46:50 | kerb | rockbox works fine as it is :) |
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| 10:49:07 | preglow | blargh |
| 10:49:13 | preglow | is sim sound working currently? |
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| 10:56:03 | preglow | argh |
| 10:56:04 | preglow | playback just stops |
| 10:56:05 | tucoz | B4gder, what will happen if a manual build fails? Will it fallback on an older version? |
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| 11:01:22 | B4gder | you mean the daily manual build? |
| 11:01:26 | tucoz | yes |
| 11:01:32 | B4gder | it'll just fail |
| 11:01:49 | B4gder | and create a very small output file I guess ;-) |
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| 11:01:53 | tucoz | And the new manual is listed as 0 pages or something like that? |
| 11:02:01 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:02:05 | tucoz | good. |
| 11:02:21 | tucoz | I am happy to see that the largest manual is only 1.1MB now. |
| 11:04:16 | kerb | rockbox needs a wikipedia random article plugin :P |
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| 11:09:07 | preglow | arghgh |
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| 11:09:14 | preglow | i'd rather have functioning sims |
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| 11:12:26 | ritalin | omg ponies |
| 11:13:41 | davix | omg penis |
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| 11:14:00 | Mikachu | omg pennies |
| 11:17:06 | amiconn | tucoz: I noticed that a (so far) ondio specific rockbox feature isn't described at all in the manual |
| 11:18:32 | amiconn | petur, preglow: We don't necessarily need H_SUSPEND, but I would like to know (1) whether D_SUSPEND and H_SUSPEND are connected to pullups (as recommended by philips) and (2) whether H_SUSPEND is actually connected somewhere |
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| 11:19:55 | amiconn | petur: I didn't try any code to access the isp1362 so far, but I studied the disassembly and the datasheet a bit. I think I now understand how isp1362 access works |
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| 11:20:30 | amiconn | What I don't understand yet is what the charge pump pin does, and where you got that info from. It's not in the wiki... |
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| 11:21:14 | petur | amiconn: found that in the disassembly |
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| 11:21:33 | petur | it had debug output mentioning 5V on/off |
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| 11:27:00 | amiconn | petur: Did you verify it? If so, put it in the wiki... |
| 11:27:35 | petur | I didn't verify it, no... but it's in the wiki |
| 11:28:36 | preglow | any magic tricks to get simulator sound working? |
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| 11:28:41 | petur | Linus mentioned it first, but he was also reading the disassembly, so it probably wasn't checked on the hardware |
| 11:28:45 | preglow | it just decodes a ton, then never plays it |
| 11:31:01 | Mikachu | last time i tried the sim it worked, but that was a while back |
| 11:31:13 | preglow | last time i did it worked too |
| 11:31:18 | preglow | but that was one ubuntu reinstall ago |
| 11:31:22 | Mikachu | i'm not much help then |
| 11:31:23 | preglow | but all other audio apps work... |
| 11:31:26 | amiconn | petur: Bah I thought you said GPIO 21, but it's GPIO 53 ... |
| 11:31:32 | Mikachu | other sdl apps too? |
| 11:31:42 | preglow | Mikachu: trying to find one to test now... |
| 11:31:59 | petur | amiconn: sorry, I said GPIO1 21 |
| 11:32:04 | amiconn | Getting sdl sound to work on linux is a lot of hit-and-miss |
| 11:32:11 | Mikachu | preglow: try mplayer -ao sdl |
| 11:32:16 | preglow | it hasn't been so far |
| 11:32:19 | preglow | Mikachu: no mplayer for me |
| 11:32:20 | Mikachu | i've never had any problems |
| 11:32:25 | preglow | seems ubuntu amd64 haven't got it ported |
| 11:32:33 | * | petur always starts counting from 0 for each gpio port |
| 11:32:36 | Mikachu | amiconn's comments on linux are hit-and-miss too :) |
| 11:32:41 | preglow | hahaha |
| 11:33:20 | preglow | no, i've never had any problems with sdl sound |
| 11:33:39 | theli_ua | never could get any sound from sims ... while had no probs with all other apps .. sdl too |
| 11:33:59 | Mikachu | preglow: try setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER to something, maybe oss or alsa |
| 11:34:09 | Mikachu | or check if it's set to something silly now |
| 11:34:34 | preglow | i've tried that |
| 11:34:36 | preglow | nothing works |
| 11:34:42 | Mikachu | strace? |
| 11:34:46 | preglow | tried dsp, alsa, oss, sun |
| 11:34:47 | preglow | strace? |
| 11:34:58 | Mikachu | the command that traces syscalls |
| 11:36:14 | amiconn | Mikachu: Sorry, but that's what I experienced so far |
| 11:36:19 | preglow | bunch of select timeouts |
| 11:36:22 | preglow | select() |
| 11:36:31 | preglow | but that's fairly normal for any app |
| 11:36:38 | amiconn | Sound under linux is generally a strange thing. There's OSS, ALSA, ESD, ....... |
| 11:36:54 | preglow | most things use alsa these days |
| 11:36:57 | preglow | oss should be ignored |
| 11:37:00 | preglow | god knows what esd is |
| 11:37:15 | Mikachu | xmms.org has a nice quote from alan cox on esd |
| 11:37:17 | preglow | situation isn't much better in windows, you've got mme, directsound, wdm, asio |
| 11:37:25 | Mikachu | "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." |
| 11:37:34 | Mikachu | there's jack in linux too |
| 11:37:38 | Mikachu | and lately, polypaudio |
| 11:37:39 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah, but all these are working in parallel |
| 11:37:53 | amiconn | I only got the rockbox sims to produce sound when using plain alsa, and shutting down ESD |
| 11:37:54 | preglow | amiconn: hardly |
| 11:38:01 | amiconn | ..but then gnome can't produce sound |
| 11:38:05 | preglow | amiconn: some drivers work badly, some better |
| 11:38:34 | * | petur hugs his w2k box |
| 11:39:00 | * | Mikachu puts petur in quarantine |
| 11:39:08 | preglow | polypaudio??? |
| 11:39:25 | Mikachu | http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/polypaudio/ |
| 11:39:41 | tucoz | amiconn, removable storage? |
| 11:39:44 | preglow | god, abolish it |
| 11:39:49 | preglow | jack is nice |
| 11:39:52 | preglow | jack/alsa is all i need |
| 11:40:36 | amiconn | tucoz: Yes, multi-volume support and hotplug. That's something the archos firmware doesn't do |
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| 11:41:07 | Mikachu | preglow: i get sound in newly compiled sim... |
| 11:41:17 | preglow | Mikachu: yes, i don't think there's anything wrong with the code |
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| 11:41:47 | tucoz | I see. Well, I don't own an ondio and I never even saw one irl. I don't think I am the right person to write that section. However, I can probably add a fixme to the manual (unless you want to do it yourself) |
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| 11:42:32 | tucoz | I am not sure in what section to put that feature. |
| 11:42:53 | amiconn | tucoz: I know next to nothing about latex, and I'm not sure whether I would be able to write that chapter in proper english style |
| 11:43:27 | preglow | the latex you'd need to know for that would be very simple |
| 11:43:42 | preglow | as for english style, i don't think there's a problem |
| 11:43:53 | preglow | it's better than nothing in any case |
| 11:44:23 | tucoz | latex is mainly plain text, with a few macros here and there |
| 11:44:35 | Mikachu | hah |
| 11:45:36 | tucoz | amiconn, where do you think such a feature would fit in? |
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| 11:45:56 | amiconn | Maybe in the chapter about the file browser |
| 11:46:30 | tucoz | Ok. I'll add a note at least somewhere ther |
| 11:46:33 | tucoz | e |
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| 11:51:30 | tucoz | amiconn, is there an option in rockbox for the hotplug/multivolume support? |
| 11:52:30 | * | tucoz is reading http://www.viewvc.org/upgrading.html ;-) |
| 11:52:56 | amiconn | No. It's a permanently enabled feature |
| 11:53:00 | tucoz | Ok |
| 11:53:51 | tucoz | the ondio-fm image is kind of crappy as it was a quite heavily compressed jpg. Do you have a better one? |
| 11:55:52 | kerb | what are the chances of rockbox ever supporting video on the 5g or x5? |
| 11:56:31 | tucoz | why do they call it vga? |
| 11:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | About the same as someone showing up and coding video for the 5G or x5 |
| 11:56:47 | tucoz | I thought vga was 256 colours max |
| 11:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's really what used to be called "SVGA" isn't it? |
| 11:57:28 | Mikachu | you were correct |
| 11:57:49 | Mikachu | svga is anything over 640x480 |
| 11:58:15 | tucoz | But mode 12h in old graphics card was 640x480x16 iirc |
| 11:58:19 | Mikachu | (references, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVGA and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA) |
| 11:58:26 | tucoz | wikipedia is nice |
| 11:58:38 | Mikachu | there is a note at the top though, "The term VGA is often used to refer to a resolution of 640×480, regardless of the hardware that produces the picture." |
| 11:58:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 11:58:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | That panel is 24-bit color |
| 11:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it's better than VGA, but VGA-resolution |
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| 12:04:40 | ritalin | you guys heard Angels and Airwaves album? |
| 12:04:44 | ritalin | it rockz0rz |
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| 12:34:18 | preglow | Mikachu: sure sdl knows about SDL_AUDIODEV ? |
| 12:34:42 | ritalin | kinda silly not to let themes resize menu width isnt it? |
| 12:34:55 | ritalin | like i have to apply patches to use certin themes |
| 12:34:57 | Mikachu | "preglow: try setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER to something, maybe oss or alsa" |
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| 12:35:06 | Mikachu | i never said DEV |
| 12:35:30 | preglow | audiodriver........ |
| 12:35:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ritalin: It's not that themes are prevented from doing it. It's that the feature hasn't yet been implemented in the right way to be included. |
| 12:35:38 | B4gder | ritalin: so don't use those themes then if you think its silly |
| 12:35:43 | preglow | there's an AUDIODEV var as well, i mixed them up |
| 12:44:27 | preglow | brf |
| 12:44:35 | preglow | i get "Unable to open audio: " for almost all drivers |
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| 12:46:14 | theli_ua | me too :) |
| 12:46:50 | preglow | what machine are you on? |
| 12:47:13 | theli_ua | gentoo |
| 12:47:20 | theli_ua | 2.6.15 kernel |
| 12:47:53 | theli_ua | alsa-driver-1.0.11 , sdl 1.2.9 |
| 12:48:02 | preglow | cpu |
| 12:48:21 | theli_ua | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 12:48:26 | preglow | ok, so 32 bit |
| 12:48:31 | preglow | i'm on 64 bit, same sdl version |
| 12:48:51 | theli_ua | 1.2.10 gives the same |
| 12:49:21 | theli_ua | and i think i've tried 1.2.8 too ... but not sure |
| 12:49:26 | ritalin | http://photos-861.facebook.com/ip005/v24/37/22/210000231/n210000231_30419861_3975.jpg |
| 12:51:50 | preglow | SDL_GetError returns nothing |
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| 12:53:24 | preglow | theli_ua: i take it other sdl programs work fine? |
| 12:56:08 | theli_ua | yeah, of course |
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| 13:01:37 | preglow | then what the hell are we doing wrong |
| 13:02:15 | theli_ua | no clue .. i looked into sim sorces but found nothing wrong |
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| 13:04:37 | preglow | well, well, that was a bummer |
| 13:04:43 | preglow | i don't really feel like debugging on target |
| 13:06:56 | Mikachu | i am using 1.2.9, 1.2.10 just segfaults in every program i tried |
| 13:07:27 | preglow | the only code path i can find in the sdl alsa driver that sets no error message, is the check for mixing buffer allocation failure |
| 13:07:57 | preglow | this is damned annoying, everything worked with the exact same library versions before i reinstalled |
| 13:08:03 | Mikachu | you don't already have the sound device open or something silly? |
| 13:08:09 | Mikachu | cable is plugged in etc? :) |
| 13:08:15 | preglow | doesn't matter, the emu10k1 driver supports it |
| 13:08:25 | preglow | i'm listening to music, sp yes |
| 13:10:07 | preglow | and it says Unable to open audio: |
| 13:10:15 | preglow | so SDL_OpenAudio fails |
| 13:11:18 | Mikachu | heh, i was wondering what sector3D.bin was, then i realized it's 61 in hex |
| 13:14:37 | preglow | haha |
| 13:15:37 | preglow | arghghgh |
| 13:15:43 | preglow | i've made a test program that does more or less just what rockbox does |
| 13:15:46 | preglow | works just fine |
| 13:15:48 | preglow | no errors |
| 13:17:42 | pondlife | preglow: I doubt it's your problem, but the sim may have audio problems if voice is in use, or perhaps if multiple codecs are in use. |
| 13:18:04 | pondlife | preglow: Make sure all voice options are disabled just in case |
| 13:19:41 | preglow | ALSA lib conf.c:2729:(snd_config_hooks) id of field i is not and integer |
| 13:19:41 | preglow | ALSA lib conf.c:3066:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration |
| 13:19:43 | amiconn | Voice has nothing to do with sdl problems |
| 13:19:46 | preglow | i get that very early |
| 13:20:00 | preglow | second message, after window zoom message |
| 13:20:12 | preglow | so something fancy is attempted with audio before it should |
| 13:24:04 | PaulJam | preglow: i get the same errors when i have another application running that outputs sound (e.g. xmms). if i close the programm before running the simulator, it works fine. |
| 13:24:39 | preglow | doesn't matter what i do here |
| 13:24:56 | preglow | it shouldn't matter anyway, this driver supports mixing |
| 13:25:16 | preglow | and the exact same code works if i yank it out of the sim |
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| 13:26:47 | preglow | ehhh |
| 13:26:54 | B4gder | could it be related to threads? |
| 13:26:55 | preglow | somehow, FreeWAV gets called in SDL_AudioInit |
| 13:27:16 | preglow | neither the generic nor the alsa SDL source files call that |
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| 13:28:32 | preglow | nothing in sdl itself calls that |
| 13:28:36 | preglow | yet the backtrace says it's so |
| 13:28:44 | tucoz | flashblock is the best firefox plugin. Man how annoying flash can be. |
| 13:29:22 | kerb | I'd say RIP and adblock er the best :) |
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| 13:29:55 | tucoz | adblock sounds neat |
| 13:30:37 | preglow | B4gder: i don't believe threads are enabled at that point |
| 13:30:46 | B4gder | ok |
| 13:30:54 | kerb | tucoz: adblock with filterset.g autoupdater makes the internet an entirely different place |
| 13:31:03 | kerb | and with RIP I remove elements of webpages that annoy me |
| 13:31:14 | tucoz | I see. I'll check those out then |
| 13:31:26 | kerb | tucoz: http://pierceive.com/ |
| 13:31:39 | tucoz | thanks |
| 13:31:42 | timofonic | Any good rockbox supported device with spdif, wifi, touch screen and enough to decode resource-hungry codecs like lossless ones (wavpack, shorten, flac...)? |
| 13:31:49 | preglow | main() in uisdl.c is the entry point of the uisim, yes? |
| 13:31:55 | timofonic | Or I will receive this reply?: Get a PDA |
| 13:32:05 | preglow | timofonic: closest would be h1x0, having spdif |
| 13:32:14 | preglow | timofonic: apart from that, get a pda |
| 13:32:17 | preglow | :) |
| 13:32:44 | B4gder | get a pda |
| 13:32:50 | timofonic | preglow: A PDA with SPDIF output? I don't think so, it's too much geeky for being commercially interesting |
| 13:32:57 | preglow | probably |
| 13:32:57 | preglow | heh |
| 13:33:07 | preglow | h1x0 does have spdif in/out + excellent codec support, though |
| 13:33:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: Drop the wifi and touch screen, and the H1x0 is fine. |
| 13:33:12 | timofonic | Will Rockbox has MusicPD support? |
| 13:33:20 | preglow | i have no idea what that is |
| 13:33:22 | B4gder | MusicPD? |
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| 13:33:34 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: But I hear streaming radio most of the time, ones like kohina.com |
| 13:33:35 | NicP | where do i find info on this h1x0? |
| 13:33:40 | NicP | manufacturer? |
| 13:33:40 | preglow | bah, rockbox time for today vanished in sim hacking |
| 13:33:43 | timofonic | B4gder: http://www.musicpd.org |
| 13:33:53 | B4gder | and it is what? |
| 13:34:06 | B4gder | I don't wanna read odd sites |
| 13:34:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: Well, Rockbox is designed for storage-based players. |
| 13:34:42 | timofonic | Music Player Daemon (MPD) is a music player which allows for remote access from another computer. An example would be a headless computer running MPD and using one of the available front ends to control it remotely. |
| 13:34:46 | timofonic | It also makes for a good desktop media player, particularly if you either don't use or frequently restart X. It utilizes a database (similar to other media players) so instead of playing files from the filesystem, you play music from the MPD library. |
| 13:34:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are *no* networked Rockbox devices at all, WiFi or wired. |
| 13:35:06 | ashridah | timofonic: musicpd is a music player daemon for unix-based systems isn't it? rockbox IS a music player, it doesn't really need musicpd, particularly since that's only a player daemon, not a frontend |
| 13:35:10 | B4gder | Rockbox is a music player |
| 13:35:22 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: iriver will release a new thingie but winCE based, it will be like a GP2X it seems |
| 13:35:34 | ashridah | rockbox isn't really a complete general purpose OS, unlike ipod-linux |
| 13:36:00 | timofonic | ashridah: Ok, but it can be a nice combination with some streaming thingie or NAS and some audio player with wifi... |
| 13:36:22 | timofonic | But ok, I must get a PDA with SPDIF output (if that exist) |
| 13:36:34 | ashridah | timofonic: well, as Paul_The_Nerd said, there's no model of player that rockbox runs on that has networking support yet |
| 13:37:07 | preglow | arghgh, SDL_FreeWAV is never called, gdb just lied to me |
| 13:37:18 | timofonic | I want to have my server acting as a jukebox full of music for a tiny device that will be used for music playing, ScummVM/FreeSCI and internet stuff |
| 13:37:20 | ze | too bad rockbox doesn't run on the karma... it's got ethernet at least :p |
| 13:37:38 | timofonic | ashridah: Ok :P |
| 13:37:45 | ze | timofonic: sounds like you want a pda type thing then |
| 13:37:48 | timofonic | preglow: SDL on rockbox devices? |
| 13:37:55 | preglow | timofonic: no |
| 13:38:01 | preglow | we use sdl for the gui simulators |
| 13:38:06 | timofonic | ze: But PDA has sucky audio outputs, I want SPDIF as minimum :P |
| 13:38:09 | ze | timofonic: maybe a zaurus or other linux-based thing |
| 13:38:15 | ze | timofonic: *shrug* |
| 13:38:31 | ze | i wonder if there's any spdif-output cf cards or such |
| 13:38:32 | ze | heh |
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| 13:38:52 | timofonic | ze: Japanese are weird people, maybe they have PDAs with SPDIF output. I seen very rare japanese devices... |
| 13:38:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: If you're running SPDIF out as a minimum for listening within a wifi range, why are you wanting a portable device |
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| 13:39:50 | ze | good question |
| 13:39:58 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: What's the problem? I want to have HQ audio with a nice menu for selecting the music to hear and wireless :) |
| 13:40:16 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: And then using the PDA for the other stuff I want 8-) |
| 13:40:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | SPDIF requires that it is then run into a DAC, of which there aren't many portable. |
| 13:40:23 | ze | timofonic: but why's it have to be portable? what're you outputting the SPDIF to? |
| 13:40:35 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: Sure? I think they are |
| 13:40:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I said many, not 'any' |
| 13:40:54 | timofonic | ze: There are great SPDIF headpones |
| 13:41:03 | thePianoMan | wtf? SPDIF headphones? |
| 13:41:17 | timofonic | yep |
| 13:41:39 | ze | i'm suspicious of the component quality for anything integrated like that |
| 13:41:58 | ze | usually both aspects suffer for such combinations |
| 13:42:25 | ze | though it seems weird that anybody'd do that |
| 13:42:26 | ze | heh |
| 13:42:42 | ze | i could see a dac+headphone amp |
| 13:42:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, streaming internet audio isn't likely to be high enough quality to benefit from needing "HQ audio", and if it's content you actually own then you can put it on an HD player. |
| 13:43:06 | ze | heh |
| 13:43:13 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: Nah, I will streaming own music |
| 13:43:20 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: A lot of them in lossless formats |
| 13:43:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | So? |
| 13:43:31 | petur | get a DAP with a big disk then |
| 13:43:33 | timofonic | But it seems spdif has no sense, it's ok |
| 13:43:38 | timofonic | petur: DAP? :P |
| 13:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | A 60gig player can hold quite a bit of audio. |
| 13:43:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Even lossless |
| 13:43:50 | timofonic | petur: I want a centralized server |
| 13:44:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you're arbitrarily making it more complicated than necessary... |
| 13:44:16 | petur | so what, I use a slimdevices server and sync my music with my iriver |
| 13:44:20 | timofonic | petur: Why? |
| 13:44:38 | timofonic | NAS+MPD as central server, that's all |
| 13:44:41 | ze | timofonic: whats the point of the centralized server? |
| 13:44:47 | petur | I have *all* my music all the time, even on my bike |
| 13:44:50 | ze | as opposed to just having it on your player |
| 13:45:06 | timofonic | And not oll will be stored files, maybe some of that music will be player realtime with some synth device |
| 13:45:23 | timofonic | oll=all |
| 13:45:29 | ze | hardware synth? |
| 13:46:00 | petur | timofonic: come back next year, maybe technology catches up by then ;) |
| 13:46:02 | ze | and will it be generated? |
| 13:46:10 | timofonic | Yes, retro synths, MIDIBOX stuff, A snes APU connected by SPDIF to the computer... |
| 13:46:24 | ze | (i.e. what prevents you from recording the synth output into a file?) |
| 13:46:38 | timofonic | ze: More storage :) |
| 13:46:59 | ze | what kindof problem is the storage? |
| 13:47:08 | timofonic | ze: A tiny midi file or .spc (by example) or .sid is *a lot* smaller |
| 13:47:16 | timofonic | Like 95% smaller |
| 13:47:41 | ze | how many GB's are we talking about for your lossless/etc music (not counting the synth-based stuff) |
| 13:47:46 | * | B4gder yawns |
| 13:47:53 | NicP | heh |
| 13:48:17 | timofonic | ze: Like 100GB at this moment but probably I will get a lot more after having my tiny P2P server :) |
| 13:48:32 | ze | heh |
| 13:48:46 | * | B4gder repeats petur's advice: a slimdevices and a dap |
| 13:48:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd repeats it as well. |
| 13:49:01 | * | NicP agrees |
| 13:49:06 | NicP | what are we agreeing to? |
| 13:49:11 | NicP | :P |
| 13:49:15 | petur | don't the archos players use 2.5" disks? |
| 13:49:31 | timofonic | I hate HDDs on portable devices ;) |
| 13:49:53 | timofonic | I don't want to have a broken device and warranty fucking all |
| 13:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And touchscreens can't break? |
| 13:50:20 | B4gder | so why have it portable at all, with no stored music and only wifi it makes no sense |
| 13:50:27 | timofonic | Yes, but less than HDDs in my experience |
| 13:50:41 | timofonic | I know a lot people with broken audio players that have HDDs |
| 13:50:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're not abusive, it's unlikely either do. |
| 13:50:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 13:50:55 | NicP | i konw a lot of people with broken stuff from the screen |
| 13:51:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most stories of a broken HD involve a "Yeah, I dropped it" |
| 13:51:08 | timofonic | I think that using mechanical technology on portable devices is the most stupid thngs in the world |
| 13:51:15 | ze | Paul_The_Nerd: accidents do happen |
| 13:51:17 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 13:51:23 | B4gder | getting bold now are we? |
| 13:51:28 | NicP | timofonic, you mean like... in a car? |
| 13:51:30 | NicP | ;) |
| 13:51:32 | timofonic | Those tiny things are easy to being dropped, heh |
| 13:51:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: So, if all you need is a wifi device to stream audio, why do you have any interest in Rockbox? Why not put linux on a PDA, and use your MusicPD thing? |
| 13:51:42 | kerb | timofonic: well sure, but I'd like to see the cost of my 5g 60gb with something else than a harddrive :P |
| 13:51:49 | timofonic | NicP: That's different ; |
| 13:52:04 | timofonic | NicP: I mean for streaming |
| 13:52:12 | NicP | huh? |
| 13:52:16 | timofonic | Err |
| 13:52:17 | ze | heh |
| 13:52:22 | timofonic | Sorry, I'm tired |
| 13:52:25 | timofonic | I mean storage |
| 13:52:41 | NicP | *shrugs* |
| 13:52:49 | petur | timofonic: while you're chasing your music dream, the rest of us already have the ability to carry around all our music wherever we go. You're missing something there... |
| 13:52:50 | NicP | engineering is all about compromise |
| 13:52:57 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: I was considering an audio player with wifi, but they seems to no exist |
| 13:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: But *why* Rockbox? |
| 13:53:16 | ashridah | timofonic: psp's have wifi. hack on one of those |
| 13:53:18 | B4gder | there are music players with wifi |
| 13:53:23 | ashridah | can't help you with spdif tho |
| 13:53:25 | B4gder | just not that common |
| 13:53:28 | ritalin | B4gder B4gder B4gder |
| 13:53:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can stream WAV over WIFI if you really feel like it. |
| 13:53:32 | NicP | lol |
| 13:53:35 | ritalin | snakkkkkkkkkkkkke |
| 13:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means that you just have the serving software decompress, and you don't have to worry about format support |
| 13:53:49 | timofonic | ashridah: PSP is a crap device, the screen is crap and not has touch screen :P |
| 13:53:49 | Mode | "#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 13:54:16 | ashridah | timofonic: well. clearly you've got a good niche there. get some VC to fund you, and hire a bunch of engineers, and get to it |
| 13:54:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also not really much call for audio players with touch screens. |
| 13:54:19 | timofonic | If big flash cards existed... |
| 13:54:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as once you need that level of input functionality, the definition of the device changes to "PDA" |
| 13:54:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's kinda in the rules. |
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| 13:54:52 | NicP | lol |
| 13:54:57 | Genre9mp3 | U10 has a touch screen... |
| 13:55:03 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: Nah, a PDA. But atm there are few storage without using mechanical technology for storing information :P |
| 13:55:05 | petur | or use a protable :) |
| 13:55:13 | petur | portable even |
| 13:55:36 | NicP | why do u want storage anyway? |
| 13:55:39 | ze | whatever happened to the "boombox" |
| 13:55:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: I don't understand your response to me at all. |
| 13:55:44 | ze | one of them could fit a lot of storage |
| 13:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: There are plenty of flash-based PDAs. |
| 13:55:55 | NicP | i thought u wanted to use wifi |
| 13:56:03 | B4gder | I think he's a troll |
| 13:56:05 | Genre9mp3 | Ok..I want my dream DAP to make the coffee for me... :-P |
| 13:56:06 | NicP | why not just dump he music on a server and control it over wifi |
| 13:56:15 | timofonic | NicP: Because wifi signals are limited and then hearing some stuff outside my home :) |
| 13:56:17 | NicP | then u can have spdif on the server |
| 13:56:25 | * | ritalin luvs teh rockbox |
| 13:56:33 | NicP | so if u wanna take your music outside your home |
| 13:56:36 | NicP | get a dap |
| 13:56:40 | NicP | and put rockbox on it |
| 13:56:42 | timofonic | NicP: And then that things having a mirror of the most heared stuff |
| 13:56:46 | timofonic | NicP: Uhm |
| 13:56:55 | NicP | i cant imagine you needing wifi and spdif on a dap |
| 13:57:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | timofonic: You've reached the point where the solution is clearly "Homebrew electronics" |
| 13:57:43 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: I know a bit about electronics, I'm interested on learning more, lol |
| 13:57:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, get researching |
| 13:58:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | We've determined that Rockbox is irrelevant for your purposes. So, off ye go. |
| 13:58:27 | ritalin | where can i find plugins for rockbox? |
| 13:58:27 | NicP | lol |
| 13:58:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | ritalin: Most commonly in /.rockbox/rocks and /.rockbox/viewers |
| 13:58:47 | timofonic | Paul_The_Nerd: Ok, heh |
| 13:59:06 | timofonic | But I'm still interested on Rockbox as project :) |
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| 14:02:06 | thePianoMan | Sorry to ask the question that has been bouncing around the mailing lists and stuff, but how long is it until RB 3.0 is released (and the feature freeze comes off)? I note that the ReleaseToDo page in the wiki hasn't changed in a while and was just wondering... |
| 14:02:27 | Genre9mp3 | CPU boost 0 is 45 MHz for H300? anyone know? |
| 14:02:53 | thePianoMan | I would be happy to help out but I only have an iPod which doesn't seem to be holding up 3.0 |
| 14:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | thePianoMan: It's not holding up 3.0 because iPod isn't supported in 3.0 anyway. |
| 14:04:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: The speeds on H300 are 24, 45, and 120 if I recall? |
| 14:05:03 | Genre9mp3 | According to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5520 boost 0 is 24MHz but I get 45Mhz in Debug Menu |
| 14:05:14 | Genre9mp3 | Also, I can't reproduce that bug... |
| 14:05:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: 24mhz is the idle speed. You actually press something different to slow it to that. |
| 14:05:34 | thePianoMan | Paul_The_Nerd: Yeah I know, I think the problems are mainly with the H300 series ... haven't got one of them |
| 14:06:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | thePianoMan: There's a lot of general problems in the voice and playback system that affect everything, iPods and iRivers alike |
| 14:06:23 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: 24MHz is not an existing speed for iriver |
| 14:07:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: What's the one for the radio then? 11? |
| 14:07:10 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I get: Frequency: 45158400 and bost_conter: 0 |
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| 14:07:25 | thePianoMan | Paul_The_Nerd: Is there a list of these problems so that I can pick one and have a crack at it? |
| 14:07:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Try other buttons on that screen. |
| 14:07:32 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, so do I on my h120 |
| 14:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | thePianoMan: Flyspray. |
| 14:07:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | thePianoMan: Many bugs are marked as due in 3.0 |
| 14:07:47 | amiconn | unboosted is 45MHz (precisely 4*11289600Hz == 45158400Hz), boosted is 124MHz (precisely 11*11289600Hz == 124185600Hz) |
| 14:08:02 | amiconn | idle speed is 11MHz (precisely 11289600Hz) |
| 14:08:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | There we go |
| 14:08:27 | ritalin | whats generally the way to exit plugins? |
| 14:08:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I suspect then that he means "124" here he says "24" |
| 14:08:30 | tucoz | when does idle kick in? |
| 14:08:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: I believe only when it's called, like by the Radio screen. |
| 14:08:53 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe... |
| 14:09:03 | tucoz | I see |
| 14:09:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I think he's just saying that "It's boosted even when it shouldn't be" |
| 14:09:25 | tucoz | ritalin, stop |
| 14:09:28 | Genre9mp3 | BTw, I cannot reproduce the bug itself |
| 14:10:04 | | Quit pondlife (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 14:10:07 | Genre9mp3 | after stopping playback everything seems normal (back to 45Mhz) |
| 14:10:26 | tucoz | ritalin, or menu if you have an ipod |
| 14:13:42 | ritalin | ty |
| 14:14:42 | amiconn | Many plugins also use Select+Menu if Menu alone is taken |
| 14:14:56 | tucoz | ritalin, check the manual. Not all, but a lot of the key-tables are listed there. http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
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| 14:18:30 | georgeblunt | hey there |
| 14:20:01 | ritalin | hi |
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| 14:31:06 | amiconn | npp |
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| 14:31:47 | petur | npp? moo+1? |
| 14:34:46 | Genre9mp3 | yes..and n11 = m00+1 |
| 14:35:01 | Genre9mp3 | though I don't get the concept! :/ |
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| 14:50:04 | amiconn | hi LinusN :) |
| 14:50:12 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:51:41 | amiconn | Did you read yesterday's log? |
| 14:52:21 | amiconn | The chip consuming the extra power is definitely the isp1362 |
| 14:53:22 | amiconn | Now I am interested in some details: (1) Are D_SUSPEND and H_SUSPEND connected to pullups (probably something high-resistance; philips suggests 100kOhm) |
| 14:53:43 | amiconn | (2) Is H_SUSPEND connected to a gpio pin? |
| 14:56:15 | LinusN | (1) Think so, have to recheck |
| 14:56:36 | LinusN | (2) No, I didn't find a connection |
| 14:57:25 | petur | LinusN: did you know that double-clicking the play button on h3x0 boots it into iriver fw, bypassing the bootloader? |
| 14:58:04 | LinusN | that could be possible, yes |
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| 15:02:09 | webguest15 | works for my h340, 100% times |
| 15:03:25 | Genre9mp3 | as long as you don't double-press it too quickly, yes.. |
| 15:04:41 | Genre9mp3 | The question is, if is intended to be that way...bypassing the bootloader |
| 15:05:09 | petur | LinusN: adding a (3) to the list: did you find the isp1362 5V enable connection to gpio from the disassembly or from hw tracing. And if from disassembly, did you verify in hw? |
| 15:05:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does the double-click do on a non-bootloadered H300? |
| 15:05:41 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Don't have a clue |
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| 15:06:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's something that *I* can't check. :-P |
| 15:06:29 | sunRise | hello |
| 15:06:30 | Genre9mp3 | hehe...me too |
| 15:06:54 | sunRise | is here the person who makes the tutorial for compile cvx with vmware in the forum? |
| 15:07:29 | Genre9mp3 | in the forum? |
| 15:07:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Thought you had an h300 |
| 15:07:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone posted a Compiling Tutorial to one of the iPod forums, I believe |
| 15:07:57 | sunRise | yes |
| 15:08:04 | sunRise | compile with vmware |
| 15:08:09 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: who wants to remove rockbox from his player to test that? |
| 15:08:23 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd:Yes I have..but it's bootloadered! ;) |
| 15:08:34 | Genre9mp3 | petur: exactly! |
| 15:08:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not like it'd take you longer than 10 minutes to switch and switch back. :-P |
| 15:09:02 | webguest15 | ask it on misticriver, for sure someone will do that |
| 15:09:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | sunRise: If you have a problem with that tutorial, ask in that thread. |
| 15:09:26 | sunRise | yes i ask.. only see if that person is here... :D |
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| 15:09:32 | sunRise | by the way thank you all :D |
| 15:09:55 | Genre9mp3 | I don't feel comfortable with the idea of reflashing without an obvious benefit... |
| 15:10:13 | LinusN | petur: by tracing pins |
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| 15:10:28 | LinusN | D_SUSPEND and H_SUSPEND are both pulled up by 100k |
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| 15:11:13 | LinusN | but i still can't find a gpio connection to H_SUSPEND, not even to the pcf50606 |
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| 15:20:41 | thePianoMan | Just an observation: I've been looking through the "due for version 3.0" bugs in Flyspray and there seem to be a LOT of unconfirmed bugs... kinda makes it tricky if you can't reproduce them. |
| 15:20:54 | preglow | deed |
| 15:21:06 | thePianoMan | For the n00b (ie me), what should be done if you can't reproduce a bug that someone has described? |
| 15:21:09 | amiconn | LinusN: It might well be that H_SUSPEND isn't connected. The 2 suspend pins are both input & output |
| 15:21:35 | preglow | thePianoMan: smile |
| 15:21:47 | preglow | thePianoMan: unless you plan on fixing it, of course, in which case there's not much you can do |
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| 15:22:45 | thePianoMan | preglow: It's just it seems to me that there's a huge todo list of bugs that we're not sure are even there... kinda frustrating if you're waiting for version 3.0 or trying to work out what you can do to help the project. |
| 15:23:08 | amiconn | LinusN: But I wonder what the "unknown USB host function" could be |
| 15:23:30 | preglow | thePianoMan: the problem with the bug list, if you ask me, is that there are a bunch of bugs which are hard to reproduce, and which pretty much have only a very small developer base that can comfortably fix them |
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| 15:24:40 | thePianoMan | preglow: very true. I would be happy to help out if I only knew where to begin. |
| 15:24:51 | petur | amiconn: it was me who put that one in the wiki, found it in the disassembly |
| 15:25:12 | LinusN | amiconn: a gpio pin? |
| 15:26:00 | preglow | thePianoMan: the playback system for one has only one or two developers which are comfortable and knowledgable about it, a very unfortunate situation |
| 15:26:01 | amiconn | I mean your addition to the port pin list (gpio 28 in) |
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| 15:26:05 | preglow | especially since it's so important |
| 15:26:40 | LinusN | i'll trace that pin right away |
| 15:27:30 | thePianoMan | preglow: People see the playback system and similar parts as weird, obscure and scary stuff to deal with (probably because they are!) Thank goodness it works well! |
| 15:28:16 | preglow | thePianoMan: exactly because it is, yes, it's very complex |
| 15:28:23 | preglow | and a pain in the ass to debug |
| 15:29:22 | thePianoMan | Ah well anyway it's bedtime for me, I might have a decent look in Flyspray sometime ... or something |
| 15:29:46 | preglow | you're welcome to help anyway |
| 15:31:00 | thePianoMan | hopefully I will ... it's definitely a great program |
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| 15:32:03 | LinusN | gpi28 is connected to pin 4 in the usb host plug, pulled up by 100k to vcc_33 |
| 15:32:29 | LinusN | some kind of detection |
| 15:32:41 | LinusN | maybe |
| 15:32:49 | petur | probably |
| 15:33:55 | petur | I would have thought the isp1362 would wake up by itself on usb insertion |
| 15:34:17 | petur | unless iriver uses some way to shut down the chip completely |
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| 15:35:49 | LinusN | pin 4 is the ID pin |
| 15:39:02 | LinusN | i have to go now |
| 15:39:05 | LinusN | cu around |
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| 15:39:14 | petur | thanks! |
| 15:39:29 | petur | damn lag :/ |
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| 16:06:30 | JdGordon | does anyone have a .cue file for mp3s? |
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| 16:07:53 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Someone just posted this link in MisticRiver forums: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/applicationnotes/AN10022_1.pdf |
| 16:08:16 | Genre9mp3 | It's for ISP1160x chip though.... |
| 16:08:56 | Genre9mp3 | Just in case it is helpfull in any way |
| 16:09:32 | petur | nice |
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| 16:23:28 | ryran | sure is quiet in here... |
| 16:24:53 | petur | shhhh |
| 16:24:58 | ryran | lol |
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| 16:27:27 | ryran | hmmmmmm... |
| 16:28:31 | ryran | well this doesn't make for a very interesting distraction from work... |
| 16:31:51 | NicP | lol |
| 16:31:53 | NicP | where do u work |
| 16:32:00 | NicP | i'm looking for a distraction from study |
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| 16:33:47 | Genre9mp3 | Well I'm looking for a distraction from rockbox! :P |
| 16:35:33 | ryran | ah see someone actually said something and I didn't notice |
| 16:35:45 | ryran | 'sup Nic |
| 16:36:15 | ryran | I work for a telecommunications co drawing maps in cad. boring as hell. |
| 16:36:36 | klrspz | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx |
| 16:36:45 | ryran | uhh |
| 16:36:46 | ryran | why |
| 16:36:58 | ashridah | klrspz: old news :) |
| 16:37:14 | ryran | bleh.. vista... just, bleh. |
| 16:37:27 | JdGordon | u can download the beta if your that keen on it |
| 16:37:46 | klrspz | that's what that page is |
| 16:37:55 | ashridah | JdGordon: that is the link to the beta |
| 16:38:08 | JdGordon | oh :p |
| 16:38:33 | JdGordon | i thought that was the link to the is your comp compatible page.. |
| 16:38:37 | * | JdGordon didnt click the link |
| 16:39:21 | Genre9mp3 | What exactly is PlaysForSure? Syncing to WMP11? |
| 16:39:53 | NicP | it just means its wmp compatiable |
| 16:39:57 | NicP | basically |
| 16:41:38 | Philip_0729 | doesn'tit have to play subscription file to be plays for sure?? |
| 16:41:58 | Genre9mp3 | [irony]Wow! Great stuff[/irony] |
| 16:42:49 | Philip_0729 | [sarcasm]i know i mean how could you buy a player without this amazing feature[/sarcasm] |
| 16:43:02 | NicP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plays_for_sure |
| 16:43:32 | ashridah | rofl. there's a wikipedia article about it? |
| 16:43:32 | ashridah | haha |
| 16:43:40 | Genre9mp3 | OK...that Philips1362 chip is sticked to my mind! I just thought that replied in the channel! :) |
| 16:44:32 | NicP | theres a wikipedia article about everything |
| 16:44:33 | ryran | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 16:45:02 | Philip_0729 | lol |
| 16:45:06 | NicP | i'm using it to study funance |
| 16:45:07 | NicP | :D |
| 16:45:17 | NicP | its being really slow tho |
| 16:46:02 | NicP | now its not going at all |
| 16:46:08 | NicP | yay for google cache |
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| 16:49:01 | ryran | weeee that was fun |
| 16:49:07 | ryran | it's been soooo long since I've used irc |
| 16:49:11 | ryran | xchat rocks |
| 16:49:51 | NicP | what platform do u use xchat on? |
| 16:50:01 | ryran | win |
| 16:50:16 | NicP | i used mirc on win :P |
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| 16:50:58 | ryran | yeah.. I did too back in the day |
| 16:51:05 | ryran | this is my first time using anything else |
| 16:51:17 | ryran | first time on irc in years |
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| 16:53:32 | mikearthur | ryran: be sure to rebuff your chasm matrix then |
| 16:53:41 | ryran | lol |
| 16:53:43 | mikearthur | ryran: thats an important difference now |
| 16:53:43 | mikearthur | :D |
| 16:54:04 | ryran | if that was a reference.. it was lost on me! ;D |
| 16:56:29 | mikearthur | no it wasn't |
| 16:56:33 | mikearthur | it was me being hilarious |
| 16:56:34 | mikearthur | slash not |
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| 16:59:55 | ryran | haha |
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| 17:00:06 | ryran | moo |
| 17:00:23 | c03 | hi |
| 17:00:31 | ryran | hola |
| 17:00:39 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn, petur: here's another link: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN2645.pdf |
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| 17:01:07 | Genre9mp3 | This one shows how the coldfire chip and the ISP1362 interface with each other |
| 17:01:24 | ryran | I'm confused. what's with the horizontal dividers? (I'm not even sure if that's xchat adding them or you people) |
| 17:03:10 | webguest98 | http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/ISP1362EE.html |
| 17:03:25 | petur | Genre9mp3: nice, but afaik that's not how iriver did it ;) |
| 17:03:55 | ryran | (haha I figured out what the red line is. sweet. feel free to ignore me everyone.) |
| 17:04:36 | Genre9mp3 | petur: hmmm, well don't know much about these stuff actually... |
| 17:04:49 | Genre9mp3 | I'm just providing the links in case they are useful |
| 17:05:15 | petur | good, keep 'm coming ... |
| 17:05:27 | ryran | random n00b irc question for anyone: is there any way for me to disable display of notifications for people joining/leaving? |
| 17:05:52 | davix | what client are you using? |
| 17:06:07 | ryran | xchat |
| 17:06:12 | webguest98 | same q, using webclient on Rockbox.org |
| 17:06:30 | davix | and don't you think it is necessery for you to see if someone you just talked to parted or not in the channel to see you are actually talking to someone? |
| 17:06:43 | ryran | lol... |
| 17:06:52 | ryran | not really.. not today :D |
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| 17:15:19 | ryran | ooo now I have another one: how do you change what's displayed for your user? |
| 17:15:35 | ryran | like how '3nergy has his email instead of isp 'n junk |
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| 17:20:15 | kerb | aww, my poor 5g |
| 17:20:36 | kerb | its almost drained its full charged battery when I played music while tagcache was churning going home from work |
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| 17:24:13 | ritalin | :( |
| 17:26:16 | kerb | why did it stop at 83% progress? |
| 17:26:36 | ryran | you talking about charging? |
| 17:27:12 | kerb | no, tagcache |
| 17:27:18 | ryran | oh |
| 17:27:23 | kerb | its been churning constantly when I've been on my way home |
| 17:27:30 | kerb | and when I get home, it stops at 83% :P |
| 17:27:38 | ryran | ouch |
| 17:28:19 | kerb | almost emptied the battery, I'll have to charge before I go outside and read for a bit, but I'd like to know if it decides to start churning the disk again :) |
| 17:28:36 | kerb | *tries restarting* |
| 17:29:06 | ritalin | omg ponies |
| 17:29:10 | ritalin | h4x |
| 17:29:11 | ryran | hahah |
| 17:29:28 | ryran | april fools. |
| 17:30:52 | ryran | yay downloading vmware'njunk to play with compiling & patching |
| 17:30:59 | kerb | heh, now tagcache is at 0% progress and I get tagcache not ready, but at least dircache initialized |
| 17:31:27 | ryran | how many mp3s/oggs/whateva do you have? |
| 17:31:46 | * | ryran hasn't had any problems with tagcache |
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| 17:32:05 | kerb | 38gb, 7931 files |
| 17:32:11 | ryran | meh |
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| 17:33:18 | kerb | now I forced tagcache update and it isn't doing anything |
| 17:33:24 | ryran | I've been too busy since I got my 5g last week−−just threw 1000 files on it the first day and have been going on the same shuffled playlist since |
| 17:33:46 | kerb | I got my 5g last week as well |
| 17:33:53 | ryran | :) |
| 17:34:01 | kerb | bought it for rockbox :) |
| 17:34:06 | ryran | ditto |
| 17:34:41 | kerb | hey, rebooted again, now tagcache works, but the progress was at 77% |
| 17:34:44 | ryran | finally tried rockbox on my nano two weeks ago.. that convinced me to pony up the cash to replace my old 20gb iaudio m3 |
| 17:35:45 | kerb | hm, does the cpu frequency on the 5g scale? |
| 17:35:59 | kerb | gah, tagcache stopped again |
| 17:36:14 | ryran | scale? as in start out low and increase? |
| 17:36:59 | kerb | yeah |
| 17:37:06 | ryran | yesh it does |
| 17:37:14 | kerb | ok |
| 17:38:43 | kerb | christ, tagcache doesn't let me view the id3 database again |
| 17:39:29 | ryran | you really in norway? |
| 17:40:24 | kerb | Yeah, why shouldn't I be? :P |
| 17:40:28 | ryran | lol |
| 17:40:31 | ryran | just curious |
| 17:40:50 | kerb | heh |
| 17:40:52 | ryran | ps: I didn't really laugh out loud, but I might've cracked a grin |
| 17:42:16 | Quarryman | so you find it funny that people actually live in Norway? ;-) |
| 17:42:28 | ryran | hehe |
| 17:42:42 | ryran | I suppose so. I've never met anyone before. ;P |
| 17:43:15 | ryran | norway's the bomb. I mean, shoot... I'd live there. |
| 17:43:24 | * | petur has been there twice - nice country |
| 17:44:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: Try manually deleting the TagCache files from your computer, so you can rerun the forced update cleanly. |
| 17:44:25 | kerb | Paul_The_Nerd: I'll try that, I just forced it and it churned nicely for a while, ending at progress -1% :) |
| 17:44:47 | ryran | -1? sweeet! that's gotta be good! |
| 17:45:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: -1 is probably complete, since you have an ipod |
| 17:45:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: The progress doesn't seem to work properly on iPods |
| 17:46:07 | ryran | hmmm |
| 17:46:19 | kerb | hm, ok. I'll give it a run with clean tagcache anyway, its been a bit strange |
| 17:46:21 | ryran | I don't remember it telling ME -1 when I ran it... |
| 17:49:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | ryran: Well, I've gotten -1 a few times during testing various things, so I know it's a possible result for that which can still mean a working cache |
| 17:49:29 | ryran | gotcha |
| 17:49:46 | ryran | so you're one of the people working on development for ipods? |
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| 17:51:34 | kerb | hm, I forced an update and it stopped at 11% |
| 17:51:45 | kerb | this is after I cleaned out all the tagcache files |
| 17:54:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | ryran: I'm more of a guinea pig that's been around for the whole ipod process. ;-) |
| 17:54:19 | ryran | ah :) |
| 17:54:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: Are you doing other things while it updates, or just leaving it sitting? Also, do any of your files have embedded album art, or happen to be AAC files? |
| 17:55:18 | kerb | Paul_The_Nerd: I do have some of both of them, and I wasn't doing anything. |
| 17:56:25 | ryran | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh it is a mandatory restarting computer catastrophe!! |
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| 17:56:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Embedded Album art has caused problems for tagcache in the past, especially larger images, though I don't know if that's been resolved. |
| 17:57:42 | kerb | Paul_The_Nerd: If tagcache is cleaned, and I restart, should it index by itself? |
| 17:58:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. It only auto-indexes if the tagcache is already initialized |
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| 18:07:48 | ryran | /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 18:07:56 | ryran | hehe whoops |
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| 18:08:32 | kerb | I'm wrestling the tagcache bug now :) |
| 18:08:50 | kerb | just waiting until I get the biggest index I can get so at least I can find things easier :P |
| 18:10:39 | kerb | haha, progress went from 42%, to -1%, to 49%, and stopped |
| 18:12:41 | ryran | I wonder why you're having so many problems with it.... |
| 18:12:52 | Slasheri | kerb: please don't mind about what the progress meter says, at it's still inaccurate and it doesn't need to be 100% for successful tagcache built |
| 18:13:47 | kerb | Slasheri: alright. |
| 18:14:30 | Slasheri | if you see the tags in the tag browsing mode, it should be ok |
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| 18:15:13 | kerb | I can't see anyone missing from it like before, so I guess it is ok for now. But I don't remember everything thats there, so there might be something missing. oh well |
| 18:19:56 | kerb | dircache and tagcache both seem ok now, so I'll just hope they stay ok :) |
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| 18:44:05 | ryran | damn. my first try at compiling a patched build from cvs didn't work. |
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| 19:07:53 | ryran | mmm baked beans |
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| 19:14:12 | ryran | hey to ANYONE: I'm trying to apply the ipod autopause patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899) and get nothing but errors on make |
| 19:14:44 | ryran | have any of you tried that patch? |
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| 19:17:56 | obo | ryran: it's not patching cleanly?? |
| 19:18:38 | ryran | obo: oh hey! you're the guy who posted the latest versions of that, huh? |
| 19:18:43 | ryran | no, it's not |
| 19:18:46 | obo | I haven't updated it that recently... so you might have had a few rejections? |
| 19:18:49 | obo | yup |
| 19:19:16 | obo | english.lang, and the settings files by any chance? |
| 19:19:45 | ryran | (I'm looking back through to see what it was specifically) |
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| 19:20:25 | ryran | obo: first of all, I just started playing with this today, so.. yeah. |
| 19:20:36 | ryran | but when I ran the patch command it said some hunks failed |
| 19:20:57 | obo | okay, give me a few minutes and I'll put an updated version up |
| 19:21:07 | ryran | whoa |
| 19:21:24 | ryran | well I apologize ahead of time if you don't find anything wrong... |
| 19:21:57 | obo | no, I wouldn't be at all suprised if it doesn't patch cleanly |
| 19:22:09 | ryran | but yeah when I ran make it said lang_pause_phones* type stuff was undeclared |
| 19:22:37 | obo | yeah, before make I expect you'll find that the patch command failed on some hunks |
| 19:22:46 | ryran | correct |
| 19:22:57 | ryran | but since I didn't really know what that meant, I figured I'd give it a try anyway ;) |
| 19:23:41 | obo | hehe - it means that the source files have changed since the patch was created |
| 19:24:18 | ryran | is that figured out just by date stamps or because something wasn't where it was supposed to be? |
| 19:24:28 | obo | you can check the .rej files it creates which will tell you the bits that failed. |
| 19:24:36 | obo | the latter |
| 19:24:40 | ryran | gotcha |
| 19:25:38 | ryran | n00b question: what do I do if I've applied a few patches and things obviously didn't go right.. and I want to start over with a clean.. uhh.. cvs...whatever. surely there's some command that I can type instead of clearing the directory and redownloading everything? |
| 19:25:43 | obo | it's a good idea to run patch with −−dry-run first - will tell you if it applies cleanly or not, without changing any of the files |
| 19:25:52 | ryran | oh WOW |
| 19:25:53 | ryran | sweet |
| 19:26:03 | obo | well, you can either reverse all the patches, in reverse order by using the -R switch |
| 19:26:10 | ryran | oooo |
| 19:26:12 | ryran | interesting |
| 19:26:34 | obo | or to clean the whole lot out, do something like cvs -q up -dPC - that will clean it out completely |
| 19:27:36 | ryran | that syncs it completely with cvs? |
| 19:27:52 | ryran | okay.. |
| 19:27:53 | ryran | hmmm. |
| 19:29:52 | ryran | so to reverse a patch .. could ya help me with the command? where's the -r switch go? in place of -p? or at the end? |
| 19:30:25 | obo | in addition to the -p.. so something like patch -R -p0 < patchname |
| 19:31:09 | ryran | alrighty then |
| 19:31:11 | ryran | here goes.. |
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| 19:31:44 | obo | if you're adding multiple patches at once you could get some failures whatever you do... if 2 patches modify the same bit of the same file... |
| 19:33:06 | ryran | hmmm. well that didn't work and I don't really understand what it's trying to tell me.. so I guess I'll just use your clean out command :D |
| 19:34:20 | ryran | cool beeeens. that didn't take long at all compared to redownloading everything.. haha |
| 19:36:47 | obo | what kind of ipod do you have? |
| 19:36:56 | ryran | 5g 60gig |
| 19:38:02 | obo | okay - updated version posted - no feature changes, but should patch cleanly |
| 19:38:23 | ryran | how come when I make the zip I get messages saying files (only wps files) were skipped due to size restraints? |
| 19:38:39 | ryran | sweeet downloading now |
| 19:38:59 | obo | it only adds wps files that match your screen resolution |
| 19:39:20 | ryran | ahhhh |
| 19:41:43 | ryran | all hunk-ydory |
| 19:41:48 | obo | good :) |
| 19:42:36 | markun | ryran: there is a nice David Bowie album by that name |
| 19:42:40 | ryran | silly question: ../tools/configure selection is saved right? |
| 19:42:43 | ryran | lol |
| 19:43:05 | ryran | barely know anything about david bowie |
| 19:43:20 | markun | ryran: yes, it's saved. |
| 19:43:36 | ryran | yeah that was a dumb question.. it saves a file right then.. okkkkay |
| 19:44:08 | ryran | here's another one for anyone that's used vmware: how do you paste from windows? |
| 19:48:05 | * | ryran is full of questions... |
| 19:48:10 | ryran | is there any reason for me to wipe my ipod clean before copying over a new build? I remember reading something about how if the config file version has changed, my settings will be lost (no big dealie).. but there's nothing wrong with just unzipping my new build over my old one? |
| 19:48:41 | obo | nope - you're fine to just overwrite |
| 19:48:49 | ryran | cool |
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| 19:48:58 | ryran | would you expect tagcache info to be saved? |
| 19:49:23 | markun | It is saved to disk |
| 19:49:43 | kerb | yes, those are in a whole bunch of tagcache-files that won't be touched by the overwrite |
| 19:49:48 | webguest83 | when downloading cygwin can i just accept defaults ?, or do i have to select specific packages? |
| 19:49:50 | ryran | sweetness |
| 19:50:48 | markun | Did Slasheri fix the problem with deleted files and tagcache? |
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| 19:51:22 | webguest83 | the twiki cygwin guide archive defaults differs from whats available to download so what do i download |
| 19:53:25 | markun | webguest83: can you give me a link to the page? |
| 19:53:37 | webguest83 | one sec |
| 19:54:24 | ryran | obo: DUDE THANK YOU SO MUCH |
| 19:54:28 | webguest83 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots |
| 19:54:37 | obo | guess it's working then? |
| 19:54:41 | ryran | YEAH! |
| 19:54:43 | obo | you're welcome :D |
| 19:54:59 | webguest83 | markun, scroll down to the archive settings |
| 19:55:08 | ryran | obo: thanks so much for your work on the pause/unplug patch. I absolutely love it (had it on my nano already) |
| 19:55:40 | ryran | got it along with the 64mb and accelerated scrolling patches.. all working. very sweet. |
| 19:55:49 | obo | cool - good to hear people using it |
| 19:56:25 | kerb | are there any new patches for accelerated scrolling? |
| 19:56:28 | kerb | i hated when it skipped along |
| 19:58:42 | markun | webguest83: I think if you use the ones specified on that page you should be alright, but maybe the defaults also work, no idea. |
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| 20:00:18 | webguest83 | markunm thanks, i'm trying to setup cygwin so that I can apply my own patches, and one word describes it, very frustrating, plus i'm following the how to guide, but stuck already |
| 20:01:30 | Mikachu | that's two words |
| 20:01:40 | webguest83 | I was waiting for that :-) |
| 20:01:58 | Mikachu | here to serve |
| 20:02:23 | webguest83 | please make the guide work |
| 20:02:41 | Bagder | webguest83: its a wiki, correct the mistakes please |
| 20:03:18 | webguest83 | if I knew where the mistakes were i would, but alas i first need to get my own srtup to work from the guide |
| 20:03:53 | ryran | lol |
| 20:04:27 | webguest83 | and at this rate it might be never |
| 20:04:36 | ryran | webguest83: I just finished compiling my first build 10 minutes ago.. I actually went the vmware route |
| 20:04:56 | webguest83 | Illoiked at that and ran |
| 20:04:58 | ryran | I had no problems at all ('cept for a slightly out of date patch not working just right) |
| 20:05:00 | Bagder | webguest83: all I can say is that hundreds before you have manged to do it |
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| 20:05:09 | ryran | oh well |
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| 20:05:35 | webguest03 | sorry about that Iwas and am 83 |
| 20:05:51 | webguest03 | but now i'm 3 |
| 20:05:58 | ryran | obo: anyway, thanks again! I should probably go home. I've had enough work for today. ;) |
| 20:06:35 | obo | no worries - glad it worked for you |
| 20:07:04 | webguest03 | ah well guess its not for me then, thanks markun for your input |
| 20:07:08 | ryran | but seriously webguest03, if all else fails, you can check out the recent user-created tut @ http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 |
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| 20:07:24 | ryran | daaa'lright. ciao peoples |
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| 20:17:04 | sharpe | yay! got my ticket... |
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| 20:21:36 | webguest90 | Make your way back to C:\Rockbox\, open the folder called Home and the folder called guest within that. Move your newly downloaded file into this folder (C:\Rockbox\home\guest) |
| 20:22:09 | webguest90 | do i have to create those directories, C:\Rockbox\home\guest |
| 20:23:02 | webguest90 | or does something else create those directories ? |
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| 20:28:37 | * | petur needs somebody with knowledge about iriver i2c and remote |
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| 20:45:06 | amiconn | petur: What's teh problem? |
| 20:45:46 | amiconn | petur: Btw, when testing the chip temperatures under retailos, I also observed messed-up retailos settings |
| 20:46:14 | amiconn | (brightness/contrast was way off, resulting in bright, washed-out colours) |
| 20:46:23 | amiconn | I wonder what's going on there.. |
| 20:46:30 | petur | when disabling irq during uda i2c, the player freezes if a remote is attached, but not without one |
| 20:46:51 | petur | just disabling irq during one of the calls is enough |
| 20:47:03 | petur | do they need interrupts? |
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| 20:47:33 | nobelium | hey guys |
| 20:47:36 | nobelium | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13523 |
| 20:47:40 | nobelium | if you want to check it :) |
| 20:49:08 | amiconn | petur: The i2c routines yield while waiting for the transfer to complete. |
| 20:49:18 | petur | ouch |
| 20:49:45 | amiconn | That means that other thread might run with interrupts disabled, and if they want to disable interrupts themselves, store the old state |
| 20:50:08 | amiconn | (which already is disabled), and when the "re-enable" later, they might in fact disable them |
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| 20:50:30 | amiconn | ..and without interrupts, button reading doesn't work etc |
| 20:50:52 | petur | would it be bad to remove the yields? |
| 20:51:17 | petur | the bitbanged ones don't yield |
| 20:51:29 | amiconn | No, because they can't |
| 20:51:59 | amiconn | Thing is, why do you want to disable interrupts during i2x? |
| 20:52:02 | amiconn | *i2c |
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| 20:52:42 | petur | because there is a chance that something gets inbetween the tow gain calls, causing a volume glitch |
| 20:52:49 | petur | s/tow/two |
| 20:53:46 | amiconn | Yes, but how often do you change gain while recording? |
| 20:54:12 | petur | I know... but wanted to fix it if possible |
| 20:54:16 | * | amiconn would think very rarely, if at all |
| 20:54:33 | petur | agc will make it worse |
| 20:54:49 | kerb | what is the reason 3g ipod doesn't work? |
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| 20:55:39 | petur | amiconn: even a minor nudge up/down can cause it |
| 20:55:51 | tucoz | heh, I always wondered why people in this channel said stuff like, "bagder bagder bagder, mushroom". I thought they were trolling for real. However, I found the explanation http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ |
| 20:56:09 | tucoz | Maybe they were trolling after all. |
| 20:56:41 | preglow | ahahha |
| 20:56:55 | tucoz | kerb, no developer owns a 3g so development for that is kind of hard |
| 20:57:03 | kerb | aha |
| 20:57:05 | amiconn | petur: Yes I know |
| 20:58:17 | amiconn | petur: There are multiple possible solutions to this problem, all of which are less than ideal, unfortunately |
| 20:58:29 | petur | :( |
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| 20:58:52 | petur | who are the users of the i2c routines? |
| 20:58:58 | preglow | do all current recording menu entries work? |
| 20:59:02 | amiconn | (1) Don't yield in the i2c routines which use the coldfire i2c controller. Bad. Why would we use the controller at all, and not bit-bang? |
| 20:59:21 | preglow | faster? |
| 20:59:36 | amiconn | No, quite the opposite |
| 20:59:46 | preglow | eh? |
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| 21:00:04 | preglow | nobelium: looks nice |
| 21:00:47 | webguest61 | i'm in the cygwin window and am trying to change directories but i get "no such file or directory", what is the syntax ?, i'm using "cd abcdefg" |
| 21:00:56 | amiconn | preglow: We have to set the transfer speed in a way that we don't exceed the i2c specs at maximum clock, and keep it that way -> significantly slower transfers at 45MHz and especially at 11MHz |
| 21:01:25 | amiconn | ...because chaging the i2c clock prescaler during an ongoing transfer messes up the bus communication |
| 21:01:32 | tucoz | webguest61, type ls to see if the directory is existing |
| 21:01:33 | preglow | well, it'll still require more cpu |
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| 21:02:11 | amiconn | (2) Don't yield in the i2c routines *only if interrupts are disabled*. Less than ideal, because it requires additional probing |
| 21:02:24 | tucoz | webguest61, remember that cygwin is case sensitive |
| 21:02:39 | * | petur is trying (2) |
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| 21:03:26 | tucoz | afk |
| 21:03:27 | amiconn | (3) Change the interrupt disabling /enabling from the current, simple inline function into a real function that is stacking the disable calls, similar to how cpu_boost() works |
| 21:03:34 | webguest61 | thanks tucoz, i tried that, |
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| 21:04:22 | amiconn | This would add quite some complexity, and lengthen the interrupt-disabled times |
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| 21:06:56 | amiconn | petur: A variation of (2) would be to make the yield() function not yield when interrupts are disabled, as a general protection against that problem |
| 21:07:22 | amiconn | I'm not sure at all whether this would be a good idea... |
| 21:08:00 | * | petur wants to disable real-life interrupts atm :/ |
| 21:09:05 | amiconn | Then do that......... |
| 21:09:26 | petur | well, step 1 passed: brute-force removing the yields causes no more freezing |
| 21:09:49 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact the freeze shouldn't happen, unless there is a bug in another thread |
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| 21:10:13 | amiconn | Ahem, ignore that |
| 21:10:24 | petur | it's 100% remote related |
| 21:10:27 | * | amiconn needs to think about it a little more |
| 21:11:16 | petur | it's a deadlock probably, no? Just don't know how |
| 21:11:19 | amiconn | The problem is that as long as only one thread yields while it did disable interrupts, no freeze should happen |
| 21:11:52 | amiconn | Our thread would disable interrupts, then yield, so all other threads get to run a bit |
| 21:12:24 | amiconn | If any of them "disables" the disabled interrupts, does something then "re-enables", they're actually still disabled |
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| 21:12:58 | amiconn | When control is returned to our thread, it would finally re-enable interrupts, and all is well |
| 21:13:05 | amiconn | But: |
| 21:13:51 | amiconn | If our thread disables interrupts, then yields, then a second thread "disables" interrupts *and* yields itself before reenabling, our problem begins |
| 21:15:15 | amiconn | Our thread might re-enable interrupts when it gets control, then yield somewhat later, and finally the other thread would "re-enable" (from its "view") the interrupts, which actually would disable them |
| 21:15:18 | amiconn | -> freeze |
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| 21:15:42 | petur | yes, that would be very bad |
| 21:16:17 | amiconn | So, most probably there is at least one other place having the same flaw as ours |
| 21:16:31 | amiconn | (yielding with interrupts disabled) |
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| 21:18:35 | amiconn | Hmm, that could be analysed fairly easily |
| 21:19:38 | amiconn | Check for disabled interrupts in yield(), and logf() the current thread id (and ideally also the caller address) when it happens |
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| 21:27:30 | petur | well the quick way didn't result in anything. I looked up all code that disables irq's, none seemed to yield or sleep |
| 21:27:46 | petur | will do your test |
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| 21:36:11 | dionoea | hi |
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| 21:36:53 | EbErT | I've ran into a problem: how do i fix a full dir. buffer+ |
| 21:36:56 | EbErT | ? |
| 21:36:59 | dionoea | anyone know why audio decoding seems to stop sometimes on the ipod video while playing some games (like xobox) but not with others (like chessbox ... even when thinking) ? |
| 21:37:06 | preglow | EbErT: by upping the limit |
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| 21:37:18 | EbErT | ah, it must have been set back, thx preglow |
| 21:37:36 | preglow | np |
| 21:38:03 | sharpe | dionoea: its because it's difficult for the processor to keep up with playback and some games/plugins. even when boosted to 75mhz... |
| 21:38:08 | EbErT | also, is there a way to let an ipod charge while plugged into ac adapter without constantly rebooting |
| 21:38:18 | dionoea | well the chess plugin should be harder on the cpu than xobox |
| 21:38:25 | sharpe | EbErT: hold menu when you plug it in. |
| 21:38:37 | EbErT | i've done that, doesn't work |
| 21:38:44 | EbErT | maybe i'm not doing it fast enough |
| 21:39:02 | sharpe | just hold menu, plug it in, and let go of the menu button... |
| 21:39:08 | sharpe | there's no time to it. |
| 21:39:50 | EbErT | lemme try.. |
| 21:40:38 | sharpe | dionoea: generally things that must update the lcd cause playback to skip. |
| 21:40:41 | EbErT | anyone know anything about this "FOUND.000" file that i found generated in the main section? |
| 21:40:57 | sharpe | er, update on a rather quick basis. |
| 21:41:18 | dionoea | oh ... so that's not cpu related ? or the lcd driver isn't really efficient cpu-wise ? |
| 21:42:05 | sharpe | well, not quite sure how to put it... |
| 21:42:46 | EbErT | when i held the menu button down and plugged it in, it loaded original firmware |
| 21:43:01 | EbErT | which is ok, but strange |
| 21:43:02 | sharpe | in rockbox? or when it was already turned off? |
| 21:43:24 | dionoea | sharpe: or it's some kind of thread problem ... like the decoding thread not getting enough CPU time because the lcd is blocking it ? |
| 21:43:24 | EbErT | i held it as it was booting up to rockbox, and it switched |
| 21:43:54 | sharpe | when you hold menu in the bootloader, it loads the apple firmware by default |
| 21:44:29 | sharpe | dionoea: it's really because the cpu isn't fast enough to keep up with doing both, which is why things would be better off once we get both cores working |
| 21:45:01 | dionoea | both cores ? codec and lcd core ? or like 2 cpus on the ipods ? |
| 21:45:12 | * | dionoea has really no knowledge of rockbox internals |
| 21:45:15 | sharpe | because if you look at the audio thread info, you'll see it has to boost a lot to keep up decoding, and just having it have to update the lcd just adds more to it. |
| 21:45:37 | sharpe | not to mention all the other code that is run |
| 21:46:38 | amiconn | When plugins cause playback to skip, it's in most cases not the cpu load these plugins cause |
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| 21:47:18 | petur | but lack of yield() |
| 21:47:34 | amiconn | Rockbox uses cooperative multitasking, so skipping can happen if the plugin (== UI thread) doesn't yield frequently enough |
| 21:47:36 | sharpe | amiconn: yeh, but when you explain it that way, it gets further questioning :D |
| 21:47:43 | dionoea | so it's a mutex taking a bit too long to unlock ? |
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| 21:48:07 | amiconn | dionoea: No. Mutexes are rarely used in rockbox |
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| 21:48:32 | dionoea | oh... ok :) |
| 21:49:12 | * | dionoea greps for yield in the code |
| 21:49:25 | amiconn | They are only used for hardware resources which can't be shared, and are needed exclusively for a longer time |
| 21:49:29 | sharpe | according to this, i should have over 3.5 million files on my computer. |
| 21:49:32 | dionoea | is there some page on the wiki describing how rockbox core works ? |
| 21:50:09 | sharpe | now just 2.9mil |
| 21:50:13 | dionoea | kernel.c might be a good place to start looking i guess :) |
| 21:50:21 | amiconn | There are other plugins which don't yield frequenntly enough on swcodec targets |
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| 21:50:40 | amiconn | ('fire' iirc, and 'cube' in high-speed mode) |
| 21:50:51 | dionoea | yep, fire did it too |
| 21:50:55 | dionoea | i didn't try cube |
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| 21:51:53 | amiconn | Cube itself is fine, unless you switch to high-speed mode |
| 21:52:03 | sharpe | amiconn: i thought of something! if you think about it, either way could explain it. for a faster processor, less thread yielding could be used... |
| 21:52:12 | amiconn | That is, on hwcodec targets, thre is no problem at all |
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| 21:52:46 | amiconn | sharpe: No. All threads need to yield frequently, so other threads get a chance to run |
| 21:52:55 | amiconn | That's independent of the processor speed |
| 21:53:16 | sharpe | well, i didn't really mean less, now that i think about it |
| 21:53:49 | amiconn | The real problem is that 'frequently enough' isn't clearly defined |
| 21:54:06 | dionoea | so if i made it yield a bit more often it might work better ? (that's kind of not clean enough i guess) |
| 21:54:23 | dionoea | couldn't the audio thread have like "real time priority" and force other threads to yield ? |
| 21:54:32 | sharpe | to my knowledge, the plugin may run slower. |
| 21:54:35 | amiconn | On swcodec, it (mainly) depends on how large blocks of samples the codecs decode before yielding themselves |
| 21:55:07 | amiconn | dionoea: There are no priorities. Rockbox uses a simple round-robin scheduler |
| 21:55:21 | dionoea | oh, ok :) |
| 21:55:35 | dionoea | is that the switch_thread wake_up_thread thing ? |
| 21:57:18 | amiconn | Forcing a yield is impossible by definition; yielding means the thread is relinquishing control when it can safely do so. |
| 21:57:43 | amiconn | If we would want to force thread switches, we would need to implement preemptive threading |
| 21:57:48 | sharpe | it can be a bastard thread, and never yield. |
| 21:58:19 | amiconn | sharpe: Yes it can, and in fact a number of test plugins I used do exactly this. |
| 21:58:37 | amiconn | Very handy, since no other thread can influence the tested figures |
| 21:59:18 | amiconn | The problem with preemptive threading is that it would introduce a shitload of complexity |
| 21:59:50 | dionoea | which means precious CPU time i guess |
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| 22:00:28 | sharpe | when i was working on the c64 emulator, yielding to other threads wasn't really possible, being able to keep the somewhat realtime emulation. and besides, i had it timing it to yield only when it was finished drawing the required frames for that time period, and it never yielded :D |
| 22:00:50 | amiconn | *all* threads accessing data that is shared between at least 2 threads could no longer assume that manipulating data is atomic, and would need to protect against that |
| 22:00:52 | dionoea | the RB_PROFILE thing is an embeded profiler ? |
| 22:01:15 | petur | amiconn: I went a known route and added a splash in switch_thread() when level == HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL. alas, no splash when the freeze happens |
| 22:01:55 | amiconn | petur: Maybe it's better to panicf) in such a case |
| 22:02:17 | petur | just panic() ? |
| 22:02:40 | sharpe | maybe... i will try to get back to coding something... |
| 22:02:50 | amiconn | panicf()... works like printf() |
| 22:03:20 | dionoea | btw, does the apple firmware use software decode or can it use the video decoding chip ? (or whatever that's called) |
| 22:03:34 | dionoea | for audio decoding |
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| 22:12:20 | dionoea | what does "lru" mean ? (lru.c) |
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| 22:15:40 | tucoz | maybe a cache algorithm (Least Reasently Used)? |
| 22:16:08 | dionoea | indeed ... it's used in font cache |
| 22:19:05 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:20:02 | preglow | dionoea: i think it uses the broadcom chip for audio in videos |
| 22:20:10 | preglow | dionoea: and the arm core for ordinary music files |
| 22:21:40 | dionoea | would using he broadcom chip for audio take less battery ? (this is hypothetical since the data sheet isn't available i guess) |
| 22:22:33 | preglow | i sincerely doubt it |
| 22:23:26 | dionoea | ok :) |
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| 22:31:27 | amiconn | petur: There's another posibility for a freeze, even if no other thread calls yield() with disabled interrupts |
| 22:31:43 | petur | must be |
| 22:32:00 | petur | because that isn't happening |
| 22:32:48 | amiconn | Hmm, not sure how that may happen... but if switch_thread is called with disabled interrupts and all threads are sleeping, the whole threading will never wake up again |
| 22:33:16 | amiconn | ...because it sleeps the cpu and relies on the timer interrupt (or any other interrupt) to wake it up again |
| 22:33:30 | amiconn | ..but that won't happen with disabled interrupts |
| 22:33:50 | tucoz | is it possible in linux to copy some text from a browser for instance, and then somehow access the clipboard and > file (on command line)? |
| 22:34:27 | dionoea | cat clipboard into a file ? |
| 22:34:40 | tucoz | yes, something like that |
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| 22:35:01 | dionoea | i usualy use vim to do that ... so it's not entirely command line :) |
| 22:35:22 | amiconn | My idea would be echo >file <Ctrl-C> <Return> |
| 22:35:34 | petur | amiconn: I compared the return value of set_irq_level() with HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL to check if irq's are disabled. Was that reliable? |
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| 22:35:39 | amiconn | Not sure whether that'll work with spaces or special chars |
| 22:35:48 | tucoz | amiconn, I'll try that |
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| 22:36:06 | amiconn | Erm, <CtrV> of course |
| 22:36:16 | amiconn | Bah, <Ctrl-V> |
| 22:36:31 | tucoz | hmm. but echo > file will simply echo nothing to that file |
| 22:36:55 | amiconn | That's why you should press Ctrl-V before hitting return |
| 22:37:03 | tucoz | oh |
| 22:37:13 | amiconn | The result should be echo >file blah_from_your_clipboard |
| 22:38:37 | tucoz | but when I do 'echo > file ctrl-v enter' I get 'echo > file^M' |
| 22:38:53 | dionoea | echo > file <middle button mouse click> ? |
| 22:39:08 | amiconn | Hmm, then <Ctrl-V> isn't 'paste' in the linux console |
| 22:39:24 | amiconn | petur: No it's definitely not |
| 22:39:25 | dionoea | or left button mouse click if you're not in X |
| 22:39:36 | dionoea | err ... right |
| 22:39:50 | amiconn | set_irq_level doesn't exactly return the old level, it returns the old %sr value |
| 22:40:07 | tucoz | no, that doesn't work. All the stuff in the clipboard gets executed as commands |
| 22:40:11 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: In Gnome, it's SHIFT+CTRL+V |
| 22:40:24 | petur | right, so scrap my earlier report then |
| 22:40:34 | amiconn | A working check (if you don't want to introduce an extra function) would be |
| 22:40:38 | dionoea | tucoz: that's because you have \n chars in your clipboard :) |
| 22:41:04 | amiconn | if ((oldlevel & HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) == HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL) |
| 22:41:12 | amiconn | (bitmasking) |
| 22:41:22 | petur | willco |
| 22:41:39 | tucoz | dionoea, right. But, let's say I copy a piece of code from a webpage and want to paste that in a file, a lot of \n will be found in the clipboard |
| 22:41:52 | dionoea | well just open vim or emacs then :) |
| 22:42:03 | tucoz | it would be cool if something like echo \dev\clipboard > file would work |
| 22:42:13 | dionoea | \ ? :) |
| 22:42:20 | tucoz | well, that is what I usually do. Just wanted something simpler |
| 22:42:23 | tucoz | hehe, sorry / |
| 22:42:30 | linuxstb_ | You could just do 'cat > file', then do your paste, then CTRL+D (end of file) |
| 22:42:56 | tucoz | oh, right. cat is a neat little program. I'll remember that next time. |
| 22:43:44 | tucoz | linuxstb_, perfect. That is what I was looking for. thanks :) |
| 22:46:30 | petur | amiconn: that sure looks better - rb doesn't start anymore :> |
| 22:46:40 | amiconn | huh? |
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| 22:47:26 | petur | it freezes at startup when trapping switch_thread() with disabled irq's |
| 22:47:41 | * | petur thanks the usb bootloader |
| 22:47:51 | petur | or rather bootloader usb |
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| 22:49:28 | * | amiconn tries without misusing set_irq_level() |
| 22:49:49 | petur | that's probably not the cause |
| 22:50:03 | petur | the previous test used it too without problems |
| 22:51:00 | petur | but at bootup it probably runs without irq and the disp and stuff are probably not ready or something like that |
| 22:51:28 | amiconn | Then something is wrong with that startup |
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| 22:52:07 | petur | removed the splash and all is well |
| 22:52:56 | amiconn | I get the panic message... |
| 22:53:14 | amiconn | *PANIC* |
| 22:53:15 | amiconn | IRQs disabled! 0 |
| 22:53:21 | amiconn | The 0 is the thread number |
| 22:53:31 | petur | panicf("blah") ? |
| 22:53:57 | amiconn | Yes, or in my case panicf("IRQs disabled! %d", current_thread); |
| 22:54:11 | * | petur tries again |
| 22:54:12 | amiconn | [22:02:49] <amiconn> panicf()... works like printf() |
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| 22:54:18 | petur | yes yes |
| 22:54:55 | * | amiconn checks gcc docs for the builting function to get the caller address |
| 22:55:40 | petur | frrrr |
| 22:56:18 | petur | If I add the panicf call it shuts down hard (screen black and disk off immediately) |
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| 22:58:36 | amiconn | Disk off immediately is on purpose |
| 22:58:51 | amiconn | Screen shouldn't go off though.. maybe that's a panicf() bug on h1x0 |
| 22:58:58 | amiconn | h300 I mean |
| 22:59:03 | amiconn | I tested on h140 |
| 22:59:58 | amiconn | panicf("/IRQs (%d,%08x)", current_thread, __builtin_return_address(0)); |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:05 | amiconn | -> |
| 23:00:08 | amiconn | *PANIC* |
| 23:00:16 | * | Bagder seems to have a UPS package from Sunnyvale California pending |
| 23:00:22 | preglow | w00t |
| 23:00:29 | amiconn | . /IRQs (0, 10001624) |
| 23:00:38 | tucoz | nobelium, nice article |
| 23:01:23 | tucoz | http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13523 <- for those who missed it |
| 23:01:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cheers about the package, and the article. |
| 23:02:01 | petur | amiconn: known panicf() bug? |
| 23:02:04 | Bagder | they tried to deliver it today but I wasn't home when they were here |
| 23:02:13 | petur | boooo |
| 23:02:15 | sharpe | hide in the bushes! |
| 23:02:16 | tucoz | grrr |
| 23:02:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be neat if they actually came up with a way to better schedule package deliveries. |
| 23:03:07 | ritalin | whatever paul |
| 23:03:09 | ritalin | you big nerd |
| 23:03:11 | ritalin | :D |
| 23:03:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if he should change it to Paul_The_Grumpy |
| 23:03:51 | nobelium | thanks tucoz and preglow |
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| 23:03:55 | tucoz | Bagder, is there a page in the wiki with links to Rockbox-related reviews/interviews e |
| 23:04:02 | * | petur lives above a shop that's closed on monday mornings - guess when most deliveries are done :/ |
| 23:04:02 | sharpe | eh, last time ups delivered a package of mine, they delivered it to the wrong house. |
| 23:04:13 | Bagder | tucoz: I don't think so, we should make one! |
| 23:04:23 | amiconn | Something calls sleep() with interupts disabled..... |
| 23:04:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | A "Media" page would be neat. |
| 23:04:37 | amiconn | 0x10001624 is within sleep() |
| 23:04:40 | tucoz | Yes. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Brag ;-) |
| 23:04:44 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:04:45 | Bagder | indeed |
| 23:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe also with a kind request that they try to contact you guys first to at least verify any technical details they try to pot in. ;) |
| 23:05:13 | petur | amiconn: would need to add it there too then :/ |
| 23:05:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd remembers cringing upon reading an article or two, and even emailing a recommendation regarding one of the cnet ones. |
| 23:06:23 | tucoz | Tell people to contact the Rockbox-PR guy before they do anything |
| 23:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would require assigning someone PR duties. |
| 23:07:56 | petur | oh, panicf() has no key check for h300 series :( |
| 23:08:08 | petur | no wonder it powers off immediately |
| 23:08:17 | amiconn | oh... |
| 23:08:28 | amiconn | It needs a GPIO button check |
| 23:08:39 | petur | yes |
| 23:08:40 | amiconn | button.c is no longer reliable when ending up there |
| 23:08:41 | tucoz | What are pages like that usually called? Reviews? |
| 23:08:54 | sharpe | more like opinions? |
| 23:09:02 | Bagder | "Articles about Rockbox" perhaps |
| 23:09:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Rumors and misconceptions" |
| 23:09:34 | tucoz | Sounds good. ArticlesAboutRockbox then? (cumbersome?) |
| 23:09:35 | Bagder | as then we could link even to weird ones like the sandisk/Rockbox longshots |
| 23:09:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should probably link to any time Rockbox shows up on a page with at least 4 digits of readers.\ |
| 23:10:35 | Bagder | top referer right now: slashdot |
| 23:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | When I mentioned to my father that we were on Slashdot, he was unimpressed. When I mentioned CNET, he was incredibly impressed, saying something like "Wow, that's like, a real website" |
| 23:11:34 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:12:29 | tucoz | is rockbox on slashdot now? |
| 23:12:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | We've been slashdotted a few times, most recently the Sandisk rumors. |
| 23:12:46 | sharpe | it's been there for a while now, if i remember correctly. |
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| 23:13:45 | tucoz | ok. I never read slashdot. I found the crowd there too hostile. A nice comment is a seldom read over there. |
| 23:13:56 | Bagder | http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/166210 |
| 23:14:00 | Bagder | tucoz: I agree |
| 23:14:10 | petur | oh nice, on/hold button connects are the same for both irivers... |
| 23:14:11 | tucoz | regardless of topic |
| 23:14:15 | amiconn | Hmpf :/ |
| 23:14:34 | amiconn | What does the bootloader output "Result: 0" mean? |
| 23:14:42 | sharpe | nothing wrong? |
| 23:14:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 23:15:01 | tucoz | Bagder, should I set up a ArticlesAboutRockbox page? |
| 23:15:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I've been told, that's the success message for loading and verifying the checksums |
| 23:15:07 | Lear | Yes, rockbox loaded from disk successfully |
| 23:15:09 | Bagder | tucoz: sure! |
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| 23:15:13 | Lear | at least for irivers... |
| 23:15:36 | tucoz | and that will be fine for slashdot/digg links as well? |
| 23:15:38 | amiconn | Hmm, then rockbox is completely dead with my latest test :/ |
| 23:15:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone in here know how the hold switch is handled on iPods? Is it in a way where it could be potentially be misread as being active when it's not? |
| 23:16:02 | Bagder | tucoz: I guess, the more the merrier! |
| 23:16:08 | petur | amiconn? |
| 23:16:17 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: swallowed keypresses? |
| 23:16:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've had a couple people recently complain about getting messages telling them their settings are cleared with hold not active. |
| 23:16:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, they press a button to boot the iPod, it boots, and says cleared. |
| 23:16:36 | preglow | there is a problem with hold currently |
| 23:16:49 | preglow | i don't know if it survives across boots, though |
| 23:16:51 | preglow | unlikely |
| 23:17:14 | nobelium | euhm...my rockbox resetted settings after turning off (low battery) |
| 23:17:16 | nobelium | :/ |
| 23:17:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if they can turn it on with a press, clearly hold isn't registering there, but at the same time it does somehow once it gets to the check for clearing settings. Or something. |
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| 23:17:30 | amiconn | Well, if you plug USB, the ipod boots even when hold is on |
| 23:17:37 | sharpe | nobelium: that's because it didn't get to write the settings to disk before the power was shut off. |
| 23:17:41 | amiconn | (that's abug in the apple loader, imho) |
| 23:17:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: These are people booting it by actually pressing a button though. |
| 23:17:49 | nobelium | i didn't touch the settings |
| 23:17:55 | nobelium | they were already set like 2 weeks ago |
| 23:17:59 | nobelium | they just resetted now |
| 23:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or so they claim. |
| 23:18:17 | sharpe | how dare they! |
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| 23:19:43 | sharpe | well, i can't seem to boot my ipod with hold on. |
| 23:19:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | They said the switch is off. |
| 23:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that it would randomly clear, with the switch off, giving the message and everything. |
| 23:20:15 | sharpe | ah. |
| 23:20:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is the only reason I'm not calling "User error" on this one. I have to assume they're being truthful. |
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| 23:20:58 | Bagder | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2303&postcount=23 |
| 23:20:59 | Bagder | ! |
| 23:21:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | ! |
| 23:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does that mean that they will provide support for users running our firmware on their players, once it's done? |
| 23:22:00 | sharpe | let us hope? |
| 23:22:37 | sharpe | would a tutorial on updating the bootloader be of any use? |
| 23:23:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | For? |
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| 23:25:29 | sharpe | you mean, for what player? |
| 23:25:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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| 23:25:43 | sharpe | paul, what players do i deal with? :D |
| 23:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 23:26:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | How often do users need to update their bootloader then? |
| 23:26:47 | sharpe | not very often though, that's the thing. practically never. :) |
| 23:27:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean yeah, the iRivers had 5ish versions each, but the iPods have had only the current version and it's unlikely to change. And theirs are almost final on the iRivers too. |
| 23:27:31 | sharpe | yep. |
| 23:27:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, I can't exactly see many people using it. ;) |
| 23:28:06 | sharpe | neither do i, which is why i asked before getting started |
| 23:29:14 | sharpe | or, how about this, updating the apple firmware without reinstalling the bootloader? |
| 23:29:21 | XavierGr | "once we have coordinated with the firmware creator." <- ROFLMAO |
| 23:30:00 | Bagder | now where is that guy? |
| 23:30:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: That might be good. |
| 23:31:59 | sharpe | that was actually my original idea, but i've no clue as to how i got to the rockbox bootloader, instead of the apple firmware. |
| 23:31:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder what their definition of "coordinating" is. |
| 23:32:27 | amiconn | Hrrmpf :( |
| 23:32:44 | sharpe | amiconn: troubles? |
| 23:32:51 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I guess time will tell |
| 23:32:51 | amiconn | How would it be possible that sleep() is called from 0x00000001 ??? |
| 23:33:13 | sharpe | very unlikely? |
| 23:33:17 | amiconn | yep |
| 23:33:31 | amiconn | In fact, impossible |
| 23:33:38 | sharpe | ;) |
| 23:33:41 | petur | grrrr.... fixed panicf but still no text output :( |
| 23:33:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: I suspect "coordinating" may be "hoping they get it done sometime soon" but I'm a pessimist. |
| 23:34:13 | * | amiconn kicks gcc |
| 23:34:14 | Bagder | I too suspect that's the meaning |
| 23:34:28 | petur | maybe some of their engineers can drop in here and have a chat ;) |
| 23:34:31 | sharpe | lately i've been more optimistic than pessimistic. |
| 23:34:52 | Bagder | petur: maybe they're already here, named gl.tter? ;-) |
| 23:35:08 | * | petur couldn't care less about any player with less than 20GB |
| 23:35:18 | sharpe | lol |
| 23:35:42 | amiconn | A flash player is a nice complement for a harddisk player, imho |
| 23:36:04 | amiconn | petur: You could even fill the flash player from the H300 via usbotg ;) |
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| 23:36:11 | petur | do they have line-in (the sandisk players)? |
| 23:36:19 | Galois | don't worry, in about 3 years there will exist 20GB flash players |
| 23:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 23:36:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now I see an H300 hooked up to a e200 with an SD-micro card in it |
| 23:36:47 | Bagder | it'll be less than 3 years till that happens |
| 23:36:54 | * | amiconn already did that 2-player hookup |
| 23:37:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aren't 32gb FLASH 2.5" ATA drives coming out soon? |
| 23:37:12 | amiconn | The flash player was an Ondio though, with a 4GB MMC :) |
| 23:37:51 | hardeep | they announced a 64gb the other day |
| 23:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean yeah, they cost two arms, three legs, and a pet kitten, but they're kinda neat. |
| 23:37:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 64gb was SATA if I recall |
| 23:38:10 | hardeep | yeah, sata |
| 23:39:37 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 23:40:18 | sharpe | well, i've 525121 files on my two hdds. |
| 23:40:44 | petur | the date could be written clearer imo |
| 23:41:03 | sharpe | aye |
| 23:41:47 | * | Bagder counts six slashdot articles on Rockbox |
| 23:41:56 | tucoz | who has that badge: Creator of firmwares :) |
| 23:42:04 | sharpe | slashdot <3's us. |
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| 23:45:05 | amiconn | crapster |
| 23:48:40 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: do you know of any tool to extract the ipod firmware, for MacOs or Linux? |
| 23:48:52 | Galois | what's wrong with ipod_fw |
| 23:48:59 | sharpe | let me rephrase, that |
| 23:49:05 | sharpe | from the ipod updater. |
| 23:49:14 | sharpe | and i know it's not for linux either. |
| 23:49:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I know of is Ipod Wizard, which I don't even know what OS it's for. |
| 23:49:27 | tucoz | Bagder, I counted two pages of digg posts so I didn't go to slashdot to search for rockbox. But I guess there is a difference between the two sites. |
| 23:49:37 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: it's only for windows, to my knowledge. |
| 23:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | For MacOS you can actually just explore the package |
| 23:49:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like a .cab in windows |
| 23:49:55 | amiconn | wizards are for windows, otherwise they would be called lizards ;) |
| 23:49:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or so I hear |
| 23:50:00 | sharpe | hmm. |
| 23:50:05 | Bagder | tucoz: yes, the slashdot ones often have a merit of their own, while the digg ones are more like referels |
| 23:50:08 | sharpe | i'll have to get someone to confirm that |
| 23:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Check out the IpodInstallationFor OSX or whatever page |
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| 23:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It tells you how to extract a firmware from the updater there, if I recall |
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| 23:51:00 | sharpe | aye, there is. |
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| 23:51:15 | sharpe | alright, just need to find it for linux, then i can have all three in the tutorial. |
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| 23:52:03 | sharpe | if there would be a way, anyway. |
| 23:52:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's probably a tool for exploring whatever kind of package the OSX updater has |
| 23:52:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Look for a generic tool that can do the job, rather than a specific tool that may not exist. ;) |
| 23:52:48 | sharpe | for linux? |
| 23:53:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, why not? |
| 23:53:39 | sharpe | was just asking, if you meant for windows or osx, as those are covered. |
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| 23:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I meant for linux. Some generic tool for exploring that kind of resource must exist somewhere, or my faith in obscure software solutions to every problem will be shattered |
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| 23:54:30 | sharpe | lol |
| 23:54:47 | sharpe | or, i could write one... :D |
| 23:55:28 | Bagder | sharpe: isn't dd enough? |
| 23:55:54 | sharpe | Bagder: i'm talking about from the firmware updater... |
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| 23:56:00 | Bagder | ah |
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| 23:56:12 | sharpe | ahah! |
| 23:56:22 | sharpe | this is the closest i could find; http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_iPod_Firmware |
| 23:56:47 | Galois | it's beyond me why anybody would want new versions of the craptastic apple firmware, but hey |
| 23:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Better video features, for the time being? |
| 23:57:49 | sharpe | i don't use the apple firmware, however some people apparently have to update it for support for peripherals and such |
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