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| 00:00:47 | amiconn | petur: The call causing the panic with the irq disabled check is lcd_init() from main.c |
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| 00:01:19 | * | amiconn wonders how lcd_init() can proceed when interrupts are disabled and it's using sleep() ... |
| 00:02:00 | petur | amiconn: my panicf() gives me a white display - on key is processed ok (reboots) |
| 00:02:52 | amiconn | I'm testing on h140 - my h340 is still open for more temperature checks |
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| 00:03:25 | petur | probably the display stuff isn't init enough to display the text. |
| 00:03:42 | amiconn | I guess the reason for the panic is the same on h300, but the init doesn't run far enough to leave you with an usable display |
| 00:03:49 | amiconn | hehe |
| 00:03:54 | petur | will find a way to enable the irq check later |
| 00:04:12 | amiconn | Just enable interrupts earlier - but still, this is a bug... |
| 00:04:35 | petur | I'll commit the panicf fix, gives me the feeling to have done something tonight :/ |
| 00:05:02 | amiconn | There is a set_irq_level(0) in main.c a few lines down from the lcd_init() call |
| 00:05:32 | * | amiconn still wonders how this can work |
| 00:05:44 | amiconn | Hmm, no panic now |
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| 00:09:18 | petur | indeed, no panic now :) |
| 00:09:35 | petur | kaboom |
| 00:10:00 | petur | the moment I enter recording screen it panics |
| 00:10:14 | petur | with text this time :) |
| 00:10:17 | amiconn | Hmm, not here |
| 00:10:31 | amiconn | I guess you have your interrupt-disabled i2c in place? |
| 00:10:57 | petur | yeps, and gain is set when entering recording |
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| 00:11:52 | amiconn | Gah |
| 00:12:03 | * | amiconn got rockbox to freeze in the fm screen :( |
| 00:13:18 | * | petur was lazy and didn't add the extensive panic info of amiconn.... |
| 00:13:41 | amiconn | Hehe, I have even more info available now |
| 00:14:04 | petur | any reason irq is enabled so late in main.c? |
| 00:14:08 | amiconn | (a mini stackdump, since putting __builtin_return_address() into sleep() didn't work correctly for some reason) |
| 00:14:20 | petur | give :) |
| 00:16:42 | petur | damn, now my on-to-reboot-in-panic-screen doesn't work anymore :( |
| 00:17:42 | rotator | !! wiki spam alert, "HerohitoNakomode" |
| 00:18:01 | * | petur wonders how he caused the yellow build |
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| 00:18:30 | petur | what the heck is synth.c anyway? |
| 00:18:51 | Bagder | obo's server has gone gcc 4.1 |
| 00:18:56 | petur | some buildserver running a different compiler version? |
| 00:19:01 | petur | heh |
| 00:19:06 | Bagder | debian unstable |
| 00:19:29 | * | amiconn is also running debian unstable |
| 00:19:35 | amiconn | No gcc 4.1 yet though |
| 00:19:43 | Bagder | you'll get it when you update ;-) |
| 00:19:47 | petur | kindly give my earned build points to odo please ;) |
| 00:20:07 | Bagder | I expect our servers to take that leap soonish too |
| 00:20:51 | * | amiconn won't update too soon |
| 00:21:05 | amiconn | Every time I update, something is bound to go wrong |
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| 00:22:29 | petur | duh... the thread_switch with disabled irq I detected was in i2c because *I* disabled irq's... /me stupid! |
| 00:23:26 | amiconn | yes of course |
| 00:23:35 | petur | I'm such an idiot |
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| 00:24:12 | amiconn | BuHmm. What puzzles me is that seems to be the only thread switch with disabled interrupts, yet it freezes rockbox |
| 00:24:20 | amiconn | -Bu |
| 00:24:45 | amiconn | Did you test with the remote plugged in? |
| 00:24:55 | petur | yes |
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| 00:25:14 | amiconn | I didn't |
| 00:25:20 | * | amiconn silly as well |
| 00:25:23 | obo | awwww, only 4? |
| 00:25:47 | petur | btw, the remote is a kind donation of whatboutbob |
| 00:26:01 | amiconn | ...but I don't get panics with the remote plugged either |
| 00:26:56 | petur | same here :( |
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| 00:27:14 | petur | so were sure now that isn't the cause |
| 00:27:23 | petur | s/were/we're |
| 00:27:39 | amiconn | ...so while calling yield() with disabled interrupts seems to cause the freeze, your i2c thing is the only place that does this call, and my first theory *how* it happens doesn't hold |
| 00:27:40 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 00:27:54 | sharpe | how could i tell which firmware belongs to which device...? |
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| 00:29:25 | petur | amiconn: do we (you or me) commit the modified main.c (enable irq before lcd_init()) ? |
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| 00:30:24 | amiconn | I'm not sure why interrupts are enabled that late... |
| 00:31:34 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
| 00:31:47 | petur | bad luck |
| 00:31:51 | preglow | haha |
| 00:31:54 | preglow | not bloody likely |
| 00:32:06 | * | amiconn checks viewcvs |
| 00:33:54 | * | amiconn curses viewcvs |
| 00:34:27 | sharpe | mmm... |
| 00:35:33 | preglow | bedtime |
| 00:36:18 | * | petur wonders if a recursive i2c_write could cause a lockup |
| 00:36:34 | amiconn | It surely will |
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| 00:36:46 | amiconn | i2c is mutex protected |
| 00:37:08 | petur | it is? |
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| 00:37:30 | petur | where? |
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| 00:38:51 | petur | kaboom |
| 00:38:55 | petur | again... |
| 00:39:04 | amiconn | Blah. It _should_ be, but it seems i2c_begin() and i2c_end(9 are never called |
| 00:39:23 | amiconn | ...enither from within i2c.c, nor from uda1380.c |
| 00:39:26 | petur | I added a recursive call check and got hit right away |
| 00:39:32 | amiconn | s/enither/neither/ |
| 00:40:21 | amiconn | Blah, ignore that |
| 00:40:29 | amiconn | i2c.c isn't for coldfire |
| 00:40:45 | petur | i2c_coldfire.c |
| 00:40:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:41:08 | amiconn | Knew that earlier tonight :/ |
| 00:41:24 | petur | and i2c_write is called during its sleep() |
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| 00:41:45 | petur | causing it to lock waiting for the bus to be free probably |
| 00:42:20 | petur | nah, that one yields too |
| 00:42:21 | amiconn | i2c-coldfire.c doesn't seem to have any protection against being called from 2 threads - and it yields..... |
| 00:42:33 | petur | not good |
| 00:42:40 | amiconn | Definitely |
| 00:42:44 | amiconn | hrmph |
| 00:43:52 | petur | add the same mutex as i2c.c ? it yields if the mutex is locked I hope? |
| 00:45:37 | amiconn | mutex_lock() sleeps the caller until the mutex is unlocked by the previous lock holder |
| 00:46:01 | amiconn | ..but we need 2 mutexes in i2c-coldfire.c |
| 00:46:14 | amiconn | ..for each of the 2 controllers |
| 00:46:28 | petur | oh right |
| 00:46:37 | petur | forgotten all about that |
| 00:48:02 | amiconn | The placement of set_irq_level(0) in main.c doesn't seem to have any special reason |
| 00:48:29 | amiconn | When it was introduced, there were only 2 calls before it, and later it was moved in front of one of them |
| 00:48:48 | amiconn | (but a bunch of others was introduced before & after this move) |
| 00:48:56 | petur | so no platform tests needed? |
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| 00:50:00 | amiconn | I'll do quick tests on archos and mini g2 |
| 00:50:32 | amiconn | I don't expect to find problems though |
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| 00:52:16 | * | petur compiles a mutex-protected i2c-coldfire.c |
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| 00:54:17 | petur | aaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 00:54:27 | Quarryman | argh? |
| 00:54:45 | petur | I hate this bug |
| 00:55:05 | petur | no more recursive panic but another freeze :( |
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| 00:56:07 | * | petur bangs head on desk |
| 00:56:57 | amiconn | Don't sleep with interrupts disabled... |
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| 00:57:47 | ze | especially if you don't trust the person in the next room ;p |
| 00:59:56 | amiconn | ..or if you have to get up early? ;) |
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| 01:00:51 | sharpe | well, i've a generic tool that supposedly works for windows, linux, and osx, however; i do not know how i should label the firmwares... |
| 01:01:02 | petur | amiconn: what if I'd add an argument to the i2c_write call whether it can sleep or not? |
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| 01:03:56 | amiconn | Sounds ugly... |
| 01:04:09 | amiconn | The mutex protection will still sleep |
| 01:04:37 | amiconn | ...and it has to sleep (or yield), since otherwise a deadlock would be guaranteed |
| 01:04:48 | petur | so, keep the mutex but don't disable irq or remove the sleep altogether |
| 01:05:52 | amiconn | Hmm..... |
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| 01:07:18 | amiconn | Afaiu the mutex is necessary unless we can *guarantee* that that each of the i2c controller is always exclusively used by a single thread |
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| 01:08:03 | petur | yes |
| 01:08:17 | amiconn | ...but if we use the mutex, we must not disable interrupts, because the mutex sleeps() while busy |
| 01:08:45 | petur | see my last remark: keep the mutex but don't disable irq or remove the sleep altogether |
| 01:08:47 | amiconn | ..but that's exactly what we want to achieve - disable interrupts in order to avoid glitches |
| 01:08:54 | amiconn | Which sleep? |
| 01:09:05 | petur | in i2c_write |
| 01:09:26 | petur | sorry, yield |
| 01:09:37 | amiconn | Yeah, then we wouldn't need the mutex as well, but we waste cpu cycles |
| 01:09:52 | petur | so do the bitbanged ones |
| 01:10:05 | petur | and afaik, they're used more |
| 01:10:07 | amiconn | Yes, but they can't do better |
| 01:10:55 | petur | who's using the i2c_write anyway? the uda and ... ? |
| 01:11:23 | amiconn | Well, in the iriver, one channel is exclusively hooked to the uda |
| 01:11:43 | amiconn | ..and the other is exclusively hooked to the fm chip |
| 01:12:05 | petur | so not critical at all |
| 01:12:06 | amiconn | ..but for the latter, we can't even use the i2c controller, but have to bitbang (!!) |
| 01:12:18 | amiconn | Iriver forgot a simple pullup... |
| 01:12:54 | amiconn | Still, even the uda could be accessed by more than 1 thread |
| 01:13:14 | petur | is this the same for h1x0 and h3x0? |
| 01:13:37 | petur | the uda isn't accessed a lot, is it? |
| 01:14:27 | amiconn | Not atm - that's probably why no one noticed a problem with the missing mutex |
| 01:14:35 | * | petur want's to get rid of the yields() in i2c_write |
| 01:15:02 | amiconn | Btw, I found no problem with the moved up set_irq_level(0); in main.c |
| 01:15:36 | petur | you commit or me? |
| 01:16:39 | petur | hmmm... I need some sleep() myself |
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| 01:17:13 | Falco98 | hey all |
| 01:17:49 | ritalin | hi |
| 01:18:01 | ritalin | welcome to #rockbox |
| 01:18:08 | ritalin | can i get you a bottled water |
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| 01:18:20 | amiconn | petur: done |
| 01:18:34 | petur | ok |
| 01:19:01 | petur | I'm off... I hope to have time again saturday :/ |
| 01:19:19 | Falco98 | heh |
| 01:19:34 | Falco98 | anyone in here have any experience with WASTE networks? |
| 01:19:43 | Falco98 | i wanna try to get one o' thems going |
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| 01:26:48 | rotator | Falco98: I've played around with WASTE a bit before |
| 01:26:53 | rotator | it's kinda fun ;) |
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| 01:46:47 | Cisalus | Has anyone here successfully gotten Rockbox to work on an iAudio X5? |
| 01:47:01 | midkay | um, everybody who has an x5? :) |
| 01:47:17 | midkay | what's the problem? |
| 01:47:23 | Cisalus | :( I'm a noob at the whole. Bootloading game? |
| 01:47:41 | Cisalus | And I put the binary in the FIRMWARE folder, and extracted the other stuff to the directory.. |
| 01:47:52 | dj-fu | lewler. |
| 01:47:55 | Cisalus | But it won't start up with Rockbox, just starts up normal when I turn it on |
| 01:47:58 | ritalin | lollerskates |
| 01:48:26 | Cisalus | Don't laugh too hard−− I seriously don't know what I'm doing at all. The X5 just definitely has the crappiest UI in the world. |
| 01:49:44 | sharpe | yay, my first semi-mean post on the forums. |
| 01:49:55 | ritalin | congrats |
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| 01:51:08 | sharpe | hmm. |
| 01:51:21 | sharpe | i wonder, if i should even attempt the custom builds... |
| 01:51:32 | ashridah | we'll make paul_the_nerd out of you yet |
| 01:52:10 | sharpe | er, the webapp, or the standalone builds to do so. |
| 01:52:34 | dj-fu | Cisalus: are you folllowing the X5 installation wiki page? |
| 01:53:15 | Cisalus | didn't know there was one. |
| 01:53:44 | Cisalus | i've been on |
| 01:53:45 | Cisalus | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot |
| 01:54:04 | amiconn | multicrappola |
| 01:54:09 | * | amiconn goes to bed |
| 01:54:47 | ritalin | nite |
| 01:55:24 | sharpe | ahah, and it was a mean post in disguise. |
| 01:55:51 | dj-fu | Cisalus: I think that's it, heh - sorry, I have a Nano :] |
| 01:56:22 | Cisalus | haha it's fine, thanks anyway. maybe someone else will know. |
| 01:56:32 | sharpe | well, i've an ipod video. |
| 01:56:54 | dj-fu | nano is so much better than video imho |
| 01:57:02 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:57:09 | dj-fu | although, I'd rather a creative vison:m than either |
| 01:57:14 | dj-fu | it plays divx/xvid ootb |
| 01:57:35 | dj-fu | someone just released a really nice WPS for Nano, it's like the winner |
| 01:57:56 | dj-fu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#Neeon_Nano_Black |
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| 02:27:02 | sharpe | wow. my cygwin takes up 841mb. |
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| 02:29:09 | JdGordon | only? mine was taking up much more than that.. |
| 02:29:35 | sharpe | ;) |
| 02:33:26 | ritalin | omg hi guys |
| 02:37:54 | JdGordon | does any1 know how to rip a cd to a single ogg with a .cue file?? |
| 02:38:48 | earHertz | sharpe: mine take s*GB, so there |
| 02:38:56 | earHertz | 8GB |
| 02:40:05 | sharpe | i feel special. |
| 02:40:23 | earHertz | sharpe: you look special too ;) |
| 02:43:51 | sharpe | ... |
| 02:45:33 | sharpe | do we have a list of errors that may be reported by the bootloader? |
| 02:46:16 | dj-fu | JdGordon: I think there's an app that does it, I forget. |
| 02:46:34 | dj-fu | JdGordon: maybe convert .bin/.cue to iso with bin2iso and then mount it loopback and use a ripper tool |
| 02:46:37 | sharpe | i know how you *could* do it, but it wouldn't play. |
| 02:46:44 | sharpe | :) |
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| 02:56:35 | sharpe | i know what i'll work on. |
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| 03:18:24 | sharpe | everyone seems to myseriously disappear... |
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| 04:36:39 | JdGordon | does any1 here know how the codec/playback stuff works? |
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| 05:47:27 | EbErT | quite here. anyone know how to get dircache going? |
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| 06:16:36 | sharpe | it's like... slight... insomnia. |
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| 06:24:13 | sharpe | i wonder how much a person would be praised for enabling rockbox to use of the other core in the ipod processors... |
| 06:24:26 | midkay | like so: "cool, thanks!" |
| 06:24:36 | sharpe | yeah, what i was thinking too. |
| 06:25:10 | sharpe | "just for that, you get a cookie!" |
| 06:25:52 | sharpe | little do they know, someone actually ships a cookie in a hermetically sealed container. |
| 06:26:13 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:26:57 | sharpe | however it never reaches it's destination, as the sender never put the to address, as they never got one, and didn't put a return address. |
| 06:27:07 | sharpe | so it ends up at the bottom of a very large pile |
| 06:27:13 | sharpe | and then nuclear winter sets in |
| 06:27:21 | midkay | alright, too far. |
| 06:27:24 | dj-fu | sharpe: I'd give you hot sex, if you did that. |
| 06:27:27 | dj-fu | the second core, thing |
| 06:27:32 | sharpe | lol |
| 06:27:48 | dj-fu | Please do :) |
| 06:28:03 | dj-fu | and battery optimisation, while you're at it |
| 06:28:03 | sharpe | like i know anything about it, but hell, i'll try! |
| 06:28:20 | sharpe | let me just get out the magic dust... |
| 06:28:21 | midkay | .. because sharpe wants hot sex.. from what i'd expect is a man... :E |
| 06:28:37 | sharpe | er, "cool, thanks!" would be acceptable really. |
| 06:28:39 | midkay | you're awful eager to try for hot man sex. |
| 06:28:40 | midkay | :p |
| 06:28:52 | dj-fu | Righto. I can settle for cool thanks |
| 06:29:08 | midkay | nah, can't you tell, he WANTS the sex. |
| 06:29:14 | midkay | he's just playing 'pretend'. |
| 06:29:46 | sharpe | that's... not... nice... |
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| 06:30:06 | midkay | i'm trying to get you what you want, sharpe. |
| 06:30:06 | midkay | :( |
| 06:30:33 | sharpe | i hate you midkay. |
| 06:30:44 | midkay | :DDDD |
| 06:31:15 | sharpe | why does this not make any sense: "Intel first to ship dual core" |
| 06:31:16 | sharpe | well. |
| 06:31:17 | sharpe | never mind. |
| 06:31:28 | sharpe | i thought it said core duo. |
| 06:31:41 | sharpe | making me think, "well, they do manufacture the chip..." |
| 06:32:32 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:33:46 | ashridah | sharpe: who on earth said that? |
| 06:34:03 | sharpe | i was just reading the wikpedia article on multi-core. |
| 06:34:15 | sharpe | and it had a link to an article with that title |
| 06:42:18 | sharpe | so. yep. |
| 06:45:19 | ashridah | i suppose they could have been thinking about hyperthreading, which isn't dual-core, but morons sometimes think it is |
| 06:45:59 | sharpe | because of things like... qvc... and hsn.... |
| 06:46:22 | sharpe | they say "it's just like having two processors!" |
| 06:50:41 | sharpe | i... get bored at times... |
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| 06:58:24 | ashridah | qvc? hsn? |
| 06:58:53 | BHSPitLappy | (both are shopping channels) |
| 06:59:03 | BHSPitLappy | home shopping network and something else |
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| 07:00:37 | sharpe | qvc stands for, "Quality, Value, Convenience." |
| 07:04:34 | ashridah | what's that got to do with multiprocessors? |
| 07:05:22 | sharpe | they generally sell computers advertised as having hyperthreading |
| 07:06:22 | ashridah | okay then |
| 07:07:13 | sharpe | yep. |
| 07:10:01 | BHSPitLappy | k |
| 07:11:23 | sharpe | alright. |
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| 07:18:57 | sharpe | well, i'm going, night everyone. |
| 07:19:31 | noleti | Link to the USB-To-Go chip datasheet in The H300: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheet/ISP1362-04.pdf |
| 07:19:56 | noleti | I saw a thread at misticriver looking for that pdf |
| 07:20:19 | noleti | there are detailed instructions on suspending the chip to save power |
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| 08:15:33 | tge101 | how do you add mp3s with rockbox? |
| 08:15:56 | tge101 | (on an ipod video) |
| 08:16:24 | ashridah | add mp3s to the device? just copy them onto it |
| 08:16:35 | ashridah | standard filesystem drag and drop |
| 08:17:02 | tge101 | which folder? |
| 08:17:10 | ashridah | any folder. |
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| 08:17:43 | tge101 | in the \.rockbox? or do i make a music folder? |
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| 08:17:59 | ashridah | any folder off the root. i wouldn't put them in .rockbox |
| 08:18:08 | ashridah | rockbox can find music pretty much anywhere on the device |
| 08:18:27 | tge101 | no shit? |
| 08:18:33 | ashridah | although you may need to trigger a tagcache update if that's what you're using. otherwise they'll just appear in the directory view |
| 08:18:40 | ashridah | it has no requirements for an itunes-like db |
| 08:18:46 | dj-fu | that's half the point of using it |
| 08:18:53 | dj-fu | not needing a shitty app to put music on the device |
| 08:19:04 | tge101 | whats the tagcahe thing all about? |
| 08:19:15 | dj-fu | tagcache reads ID3 tags and adds em to a database |
| 08:19:24 | ashridah | tge101: tagcache is basically rockbox's own ID3 tag database |
| 08:19:25 | dj-fu | allowing you to sort your music by artist, track, whatnot. |
| 08:19:44 | ashridah | handy for ipod users who've used itunes in the past, since that munges the filenames |
| 08:20:09 | dj-fu | aye. it does. I raged so hard when it ruined my well organised and named collection |
| 08:20:10 | tge101 | should it already be on there if i just got the new build the other day or do i have to do something separate for that? |
| 08:20:11 | ashridah | but rockbox doesn't require it to function, it can just use the directory tree directly, |
| 08:21:02 | ashridah | you need to force the construction of it, i think it's under general->playback or something. takes a while, since it's being created on the device itself. |
| 08:22:21 | tge101 | sorry if i soudn like a dumbass, im real new to it |
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| 08:22:49 | ashridah | that's cool. |
| 08:23:09 | ashridah | we're usually happy to evangelise :) |
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| 08:24:54 | tge101 | so, if i just make a new folder "Mp3s" in the root, i'm all set? |
| 08:25:36 | ashridah | sure |
| 08:26:08 | tge101 | nice, thanks guys |
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| 08:33:44 | MAASxRICK | OK WTF |
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| 08:40:03 | ashridah | ? |
| 08:40:18 | MAASxRICK | HI ASHRIDAY |
| 08:40:27 | MAASxRICK | HOW R U |
| 08:41:13 | ashridah | ah, one of those. easily fixed. |
| 08:42:20 | MAASxRICK | WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? |
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| 08:45:02 | markun | MAASxRICK: turn of caps lock |
| 08:45:36 | markun | off |
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| 08:50:49 | MAASxRICK | HAY UM HOW DO I DO THAT? |
| 08:50:58 | MAASxRICK | JUST A QWESTION U KNO |
| 08:51:03 | B4gder | ugh |
| 08:51:06 | B4gder | please loosen the caps |
| 08:51:07 | MAASxRICK | PLEASE GET BAK 2 ME |
| 08:51:13 | B4gder | now |
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| 08:51:29 | MAASxRICK | HAY BADGAR DO YOU LIKE PIE OR STRUDDLE |
| 08:51:34 | earHertz | YOU DO IT IN lower case |
| 08:51:34 | Kick | (#Rockbox MAASxRICK :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder |
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| 08:54:49 | earHertz | Bagder: hoe expensibe is a mutex on the ipod? |
| 08:56:07 | B4gder | not very I believe |
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| 08:57:58 | earHertz | Bagder: thanks. |
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| 09:52:59 | B4gder | I called UPS |
| 09:53:01 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) |
| 09:53:12 | B4gder | they "might" be able to _not_ arrive between 10-12 |
| 09:53:40 | B4gder | as that happens to be about the only time nobody is around my house today |
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| 09:54:47 | B4gder | apparently, they care about the customers who pay the delivery and not so much for those who receive them |
| 09:55:30 | petur | ups sucks.... have not had one good experience with them |
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| 09:56:10 | petur | and they charge insane amounts of money for customs handling |
| 09:56:11 | XavierGr | Good morning! |
| 09:56:24 | XavierGr | Bagder: What are you waiting for? |
| 09:56:44 | B4gder | a secret package from Sunnyvale California |
| 09:56:57 | petur | shhhht! |
| 09:57:00 | Zagor | oooh, sikrit! |
| 09:57:05 | XavierGr | wow... secret? :P |
| 09:57:19 | B4gder | heh |
| 09:57:40 | preglow | hah |
| 09:57:48 | preglow | never dealt with ups |
| 09:58:11 | XavierGr | Bagder: Does it has to do with rockbox |
| 09:58:18 | B4gder | oh yes |
| 09:58:18 | XavierGr | ? |
| 09:58:18 | * | XavierGr drools |
| 09:58:32 | XavierGr | nice! |
| 09:58:34 | B4gder | at least I think so |
| 09:58:37 | preglow | haha |
| 09:58:37 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 09:58:49 | B4gder | it doesn't say what it is or from who it comes |
| 09:58:59 | preglow | so they don't call you and ask around when they should come before planning their delivery routes? |
| 09:59:03 | B4gder | no |
| 09:59:06 | preglow | hah |
| 09:59:07 | preglow | excellent |
| 09:59:19 | B4gder | they just dropped a note "we were here at 10:15 - call us" |
| 09:59:54 | preglow | yes, people usually are home at 10:15 |
| 09:59:59 | B4gder | yeah |
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| 10:00:00 | preglow | i bet they drive around with full cars a lot |
| 10:00:20 | Mikachu | i love electricians and that kind of people, "try to be home between 7am and 5pm" |
| 10:00:23 | Mikachu | yeah.. right |
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| 10:07:50 | kerb | is it normal that dircache claims to have indexed 3 times as many files as I have? :P |
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| 10:23:45 | preglow | perhaps you have three times as many files as you think! |
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| 10:39:43 | preglow | hm |
| 10:40:03 | preglow | i think the ipod scroll wheel handling proposal on the list is nice |
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| 10:49:55 | earHertz | preglow: the one from TP Diffenbach? |
| 10:54:14 | preglow | yea |
| 10:55:29 | preglow | i proposed something pretty much exactly like that a while ago |
| 10:55:31 | LinusN | i managed to get ups to deliver to my work address |
| 10:55:56 | LinusN | but the change of address had to be confirmed by the sender too |
| 10:56:05 | B4gder | haha |
| 10:56:13 | preglow | allows good use of wheel acceleeration with no button flag messing |
| 10:56:52 | Mikachu | i think the absolute value should also be provided somehow |
| 10:56:58 | LinusN | i tried to use rockbox on my ipod, and it feels a little sensitive on the controls |
| 10:57:08 | preglow | Mikachu: indeed |
| 10:57:13 | preglow | LinusN: it is a wee bit |
| 10:57:16 | Mikachu | LinusN: i changed the delta value from 4 to 10 in my build |
| 10:57:27 | preglow | 10 is far too much, imho |
| 10:57:34 | preglow | but it should be adjustable anyway |
| 10:57:35 | LinusN | the lcd on the 5g is awesome |
| 10:57:40 | preglow | it is... |
| 10:57:43 | earHertz | odd, I use a delta od 2, and find it better |
| 10:57:50 | Mikachu | the nano's wheel is smaller, maybe you need slightly different values |
| 10:58:08 | preglow | point being we need it configurable anyway |
| 10:58:11 | Mikachu | i tend to not use the outer edge of the wheel either |
| 10:58:19 | earHertz | Mikachu: i think absilurte and absolte delat shoukd vbe provided as well, but I expect that few clients will use them |
| 10:58:19 | preglow | we should add a separate clickwheel entry |
| 10:58:24 | preglow | where you can adjust delta, and some day, beeping |
| 10:58:56 | preglow | what were you doing at the start of that sentence? :P |
| 10:59:15 | earHertz | preglow: agreeing with Mikachu |
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| 11:00:13 | LinusN | as suspected, marsdaddy has been away for a month, and nobody has the code |
| 11:00:33 | LinusN | (wma) |
| 11:00:51 | preglow | we've got an early version of it |
| 11:01:29 | B4gder | as suspected indeed |
| 11:01:44 | preglow | he'll come around |
| 11:10:26 | LinusN | it's fun too watch how slashdot discussions about rockbox always turn into debates about why apple dominates the market |
| 11:10:30 | LinusN | to |
| 11:11:01 | B4gder | yeah |
| 11:11:10 | B4gder | and very seldomly about anything Rockbox is |
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| 11:15:32 | preglow | that's how slashdot is |
| 11:16:07 | preglow | reading the comments in that place mostly makes me want to scream with rage |
| 11:16:38 | preglow | especially when the regurgitation of the good old slashdot jokes start |
| 11:16:53 | * | amiconn thinks the lcd on the 5g is too big |
| 11:16:58 | kerb | I never manage to resist the temptation of reading the comments, and I go mad every time |
| 11:16:59 | preglow | nonsense |
| 11:17:32 | nudelyn2 | one can only wonder what the unfiltered slashdot comments look like. <shudder> |
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| 11:19:21 | kerb | I'm glad boingboing doesn't have comments |
| 11:21:24 | Zagor | we should add a "rockbox in the news" section to the web site |
| 11:21:44 | Genre9mp3 | Goddmorning all! |
| 11:22:01 | markun | kerb: I know what you mean, but now I put the threshold on 3 and mod down the 'funny' comments. it's a bit better to read. |
| 11:22:02 | petur | Zagor: there is already |
| 11:22:02 | kerb | I've thought about replacing some of the images in the Rockbox wikipedia article, not the prettiest of themes :P |
| 11:22:38 | Zagor | petur: where? i meant on the front page |
| 11:22:48 | Zagor | ah, ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 11:22:49 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox |
| 11:22:59 | Genre9mp3 | So is this package that Bagder is waiting for, relates to SanDisk??? |
| 11:23:07 | Genre9mp3 | related |
| 11:23:15 | petur | shhht |
| 11:23:21 | Zagor | Genre9mp3: it's very siikriit! :-) |
| 11:23:36 | Genre9mp3 | oh...sorry |
| 11:23:53 | Genre9mp3 | I won't tell anyone... |
| 11:34:30 | * | petur wants his BOFH article |
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| 12:17:09 | Paprica | mmm |
| 12:17:41 | Paprica | the file browser or the wps use the plugin buffer? |
| 12:19:13 | Paprica | ? |
| 12:19:14 | Mikachu | no, but the playlist viewer does |
| 12:19:19 | Mikachu | i think |
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| 12:25:25 | preglow | yeah |
| 12:25:31 | preglow | that's why tsr plugins can't use extra plugin buffer space |
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| 12:37:03 | Genre9mp3 | petur: I know it's to early to ask such a question but I was wondering...is the ISP1362 chip capable of streaming data directly from a device than just transfer it (copy-paste) as the original FW only does? |
| 12:37:37 | Genre9mp3 | I mean...is there a hardware limitation on this? |
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| 12:50:49 | petur | Genre9mp3: the usb driver from Philips I found supported even usb speakers :) |
| 12:51:31 | petur | so yes, we can do all types of usb transfers |
| 12:52:10 | markun | sweet |
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| 12:52:32 | Genre9mp3 | wow! cool...I now wish the dock that comes with the player had a USBOTG port and not just the USB |
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| 14:05:47 | dpro | petur: hmmmm |
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| 14:16:33 | Genre9mp3 | petur: I'm reading in te wiki about the USBOTG...What does this mean: " To be able to "mount" the USB device in the way MMC is mounted in Archos Ondio" ? |
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| 14:22:14 | petur | Genre9mp3: I think the removable storage comes available as a virtual directory in the root, but I'm not sure |
| 14:23:05 | linuxstb | Yes - "mount" is a Unix term which means exactly that. |
| 14:23:11 | kerb | just asking quickly, is it possible to start ipodlinux without repartitioning etc? |
| 14:23:20 | linuxstb | (but the virtual directory could be anywhere - not just the root) |
| 14:23:28 | Genre9mp3 | Oh, that is actually what I had in mind when saying "streaming data directly" |
| 14:24:12 | Genre9mp3 | This has to do with isochronus USB transfer mode, right? |
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| 14:24:21 | linuxstb | kerb: Quick answer is no. Unless you are installing on an HFS+ formatted ipod. |
| 14:24:36 | kerb | linuxstb: alright then |
| 14:24:40 | linuxstb | kerb: But haven't they got a new installer which will do that for you now? |
| 14:25:11 | kerb | I dunno, I can set it up just fine, I just didn't feel like copying 40 gigs over usb2 again :P |
| 14:25:59 | linuxstb | Which ipod do you have? |
| 14:26:00 | petur | Genre9mp3: no. UMS is always bulk |
| 14:26:07 | kerb | linuxstb: 5g |
| 14:26:34 | petur | Genre9mp3: isochronous is used for audio/video, much like UDP in network |
| 14:26:58 | linuxstb | If you never want to use the Apple firmware again (or use it, but never let it hibernate), you can install Linux in the firmware partition. But it's not the recommended way to install it. |
| 14:27:21 | kerb | Nah, I think I'll just reset the whole ipod |
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| 14:27:44 | kerb | I've been having trouble with osx not wanting to mount it, and the ipod updater in windows not wanting to update, and itunes not finding it in windows etc |
| 14:27:44 | Genre9mp3 | petur: And where we could use isochronus with a H300? |
| 14:27:51 | amiconn | Genre9mp3, petur: Generally it should be possible to access the data on an USB MSD directly via mounting. |
| 14:28:19 | petur | Genre9mp3: well to attach a webcam or usb speakers |
| 14:28:32 | amiconn | What's unclear yet is how fast these transfers actually are, and how much cpu power they suck |
| 14:29:01 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Ok...now I understood the difference |
| 14:29:04 | amiconn | Depending on that, it might be impossible to play music directly from an USB disk |
| 14:29:48 | petur | the Philips demo software for the isp1362 supports playing a wav file to usb speakers, so the chip can handle it... |
| 14:29:54 | amiconn | Enabling all these possibilities means quite some work apart from the USB stack |
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| 14:30:20 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn:I was able to play directly MP3 from an external HDD using an old IBM laptop that had USB1.1 |
| 14:30:21 | petur | yeah, we should get UMS supported first |
| 14:30:39 | amiconn | The USB stack would need to present UMS devices in a way that resembles the ata.c api |
| 14:31:06 | petur | Genre9mp3: reading the file over USB or streaming the audio? |
| 14:31:25 | amiconn | ..and the file system driver, while already supporting multivolume, would need to be extended a little further, in that it needs to access two different ata.c-like drivers |
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| 14:31:54 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Just drag & drop an mp3 file to Winamp |
| 14:32:28 | petur | Genre9mp3: that's not streaming then, just using UMS to read the file |
| 14:32:39 | amiconn | The latter could be done in defining a "meta ata driver" that looks like a multi-device ata driver for the file system, and accesses the real thing for device == 0, and UMS for device == 1 |
| 14:32:40 | petur | ( = bulk transfer) |
| 14:33:09 | petur | hey, I want acces to ALL cards of my multi-card reader |
| 14:33:15 | petur | :) |
| 14:33:29 | amiconn | Yeah, then devices >= 1 would access UMS |
| 14:33:37 | Genre9mp3 | petur:Well, yes...you just explained the difference... |
| 14:33:49 | amiconn | ...but the number of volumes has a fixed (compile time limit) |
| 14:33:56 | amiconn | Note: volumes, not devices |
| 14:34:06 | Genre9mp3 | The chip is incapable of USB2.0 USBOTG, right? |
| 14:34:21 | amiconn | USBOTG *is* an USB 2.0 addition |
| 14:34:31 | amiconn | ...but you probably mean high speed mode |
| 14:34:40 | amiconn | ...which it isn't capable of |
| 14:34:51 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Yes I meant high speed |
| 14:34:55 | B4gder | I love the full/high speed mess |
| 14:35:03 | amiconn | It's not a mess |
| 14:35:05 | B4gder | it is |
| 14:35:13 | B4gder | its incomprehensible |
| 14:35:20 | B4gder | what the heck is full and what is high |
| 14:35:21 | petur | Genre9mp3: streaming (isochronous) would be your player's codec converting the mp3/whatever to a stream of audiobytes and the connected device just send them through a DAC |
| 14:35:25 | amiconn | It's only that people don't use the terms in the way they're meant to be used |
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| 14:35:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | To me "high" means less than "full" anyway. |
| 14:35:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | A high speed chase down the freeway doesn't mean the cars are going at full speed, just quickly. |
| 14:35:53 | petur | hahaha |
| 14:36:05 | ashridah | yeah, can't exactly go faster than full speed, or you wouldn't have been doing full speed |
| 14:36:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, USB2.0 can. |
| 14:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's special |
| 14:36:23 | amiconn | Then use the plain numbers |
| 14:36:37 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Are there any USB Speakers in the market? |
| 14:36:40 | amiconn | 1.5MBit/s, 12MBit/s and 480MBit/s |
| 14:36:49 | amiconn | (low/full/high) |
| 14:36:52 | B4gder | I prefer the numbers |
| 14:37:01 | linuxstb | I agree - "full" and "high" are meaningless. Numbers are more useful. |
| 14:37:08 | B4gder | just that data sheets, software and companies use those odd terms |
| 14:37:36 | * | B4gder shakes fist |
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| 14:37:53 | B4gder | that'll teach them! |
| 14:37:55 | amiconn | B4gder: Imho it's more confusing that people say "USB2.0" when they actually mean high speed (480Mbps) |
| 14:38:15 | B4gder | well, I find that less frequent |
| 14:38:17 | amiconn | USB2.0 is a protocol version, not a transfer speed |
| 14:38:22 | Genre9mp3 | hehe: The bell rings for me I suppose! :) |
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| 14:40:52 | Genre9mp3 | petur: Nevermind I googled for USB Speakers |
| 14:41:39 | petur | don't know if we should support them, there's an audio output, remember? |
| 14:41:52 | petur | unless they have super good DAC's |
| 14:42:09 | Genre9mp3 | So the chip can host at full/12MBit/s, right? |
| 14:42:30 | petur | yes |
| 14:43:02 | petur | but you never fully get that speed (as with networking) |
| 14:43:17 | linuxstb | petur: If it's technically possible, then why not? But it doesn't seem a high priority feature to me. UMS and digital camera protocols seem much more useful. |
| 14:43:42 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...and this "Mount" capability.... |
| 14:44:03 | petur | that's what linuxstb said :p |
| 14:44:11 | amiconn | The mount capability itself is already there |
| 14:44:32 | Genre9mp3 | The UMS thing? |
| 14:44:34 | * | amiconn loves multivolume+hotplug on Ondio :) |
| 14:44:57 | amiconn | No, but the ability to dynamically mount/unmount additional filesystems |
| 14:45:43 | Genre9mp3 | Also it would be cool if we could stream video via a WebCam, but would be this possible at full speed? |
| 14:45:49 | linuxstb | Are there any issues with the H300 providing power for USB devices? |
| 14:47:12 | LinusN | well, only european models can do it |
| 14:47:29 | petur | and only 100mA probably |
| 14:47:36 | LinusN | probably |
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| 14:48:03 | linuxstb | Is that enough for external hard drives? |
| 14:48:10 | petur | nope |
| 14:48:37 | petur | maybe very small ones |
| 14:50:40 | Genre9mp3 | I couldn't get my external 250GB HDD to work with the original FW... |
| 14:50:52 | Genre9mp3 | But It was powered via AC |
| 14:51:04 | Genre9mp3 | So is there a GB limitation? |
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| 14:53:57 | pekuja | by the way, is there any place you can still buy Archos Ondio players? |
| 14:54:14 | pekuja | I would really like to have a player with removable flash memory |
| 14:54:44 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe there is a limitation on the chip on haow much data it can handle or something? |
| 14:54:49 | Genre9mp3 | how |
| 14:56:32 | petur | the chip itself doesn't care - it's very low level.... must be the driver in the iriver fw |
| 14:58:05 | Genre9mp3 | Great, so I can hope that this could work with Rockbox... |
| 14:58:34 | Genre9mp3 | Damn... I wish I was able somehow to help on that.... |
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| 15:00:35 | * | petur needs more time |
| 15:01:13 | petur | good news is, I'm taking a portable from work home so my wife won't need the pc this weekend :) |
| 15:01:49 | aliask | petur: I'll do your eating and sleeping so you don't need to worry about that any more, and you can spend more time on rockbox :D |
| 15:02:11 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
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| 15:03:22 | petur | other good news is that I'm writing a usb driver for windowsCE (at work), so I'm learning a lot about usb :D |
| 15:04:03 | aliask | It's always good to get paid for stuff that you might be able to transfer into rockbox. I assume we'll need a USB Stack if we're going to get USB Host working. |
| 15:08:17 | petur | there's Philips demo sofftware + sources in the wiki that should help us a bit. Seems to be able to do a lot of the lowlevel stuff for us. |
| 15:09:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the license on its sources though? |
| 15:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Before Philips comes crashing down on us like AT&T. |
| 15:09:52 | petur | not much... the comment says you can use them in your product |
| 15:11:27 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: The limitation is most probably in the retail firmware's driver |
| 15:11:59 | amiconn | The actual usb msd protocol is scsi, running via usb bulk transfer |
| 15:13:28 | amiconn | I connected my H300 to lostlogic's ipod video at devcon. It worked, but iriver fw took ages to read the directory of the ipod disk... |
| 15:14:47 | preglow | what about copying speed? |
| 15:14:58 | petur | I'm going to need usbotg tonight to read files of a memcard, and I'm swearing already that I won't be able to read all cards I need because iriver only reads card1 of the multi-card-reader |
| 15:14:58 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: lostlogic's iPod is 30GB or 60GB? |
| 15:21:14 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: I think it's 30GB. |
| 15:24:34 | amiconn | 30GB |
| 15:25:06 | amiconn | preglow: I didn't try to actually copy files, just browsed some dirs |
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| 15:26:03 | amiconn | I already used it for copying data from my digicam, and also from the Ondio |
| 15:26:17 | amiconn | It takes ages... |
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| 15:26:34 | preglow | what speed are we talking? |
| 15:26:58 | linuxstb | Off-topic question - anyone have recommendations for a laptop with good cooling? My girlfriend's cheap no-name Celeron laptop is almost melting in London's 26 degree summer (and wasn't much better in winter...) |
| 15:27:21 | amiconn | The iriver fw transfers via a buffer, alternating between read aqnd write |
| 15:27:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think any major brand should be ok |
| 15:28:02 | * | amiconn has a sONY |
| 15:28:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have an emachines laptop that's actually cool enough to rest on my lap for many hours without any problem |
| 15:29:11 | linuxstb | I have a similar problem with my Apple iBook, although it's not quite as bad as hers. |
| 15:29:54 | kerb | I've never found even a relatively cool laptop |
| 15:30:01 | kerb | I really burned myself on a Dell once |
| 15:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: Mine's been on for 48 hours now, and i can press my cheek against the bottom of it without any unpleasantness. |
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| 15:31:48 | kerb | Paul_The_Nerd: wow |
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| 15:32:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately I'm probably going to have to replace it soon. |
| 15:32:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been burning out power adapters at a rate of about 1 per 2 months. |
| 15:32:52 | kerb | my ibook is actually rather cool now |
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| 15:33:05 | kerb | I can put my cheek to it, it isn't necessarily comfortable but it doesn't hurt |
| 15:33:18 | kerb | and I've been using it at work all day, though no cpu activity worth mentioning |
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| 15:36:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: Which Sony do you have? |
| 15:37:15 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Burning out power adapters doesn't seem a good recommendation... I'm not sure if emachines sell laptops in the UK anyway though. |
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| 15:40:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, actually though it's in my estimation a design flaw in the power adapters. The original one it came with died, then the first 5 that were replaced from the retailer (Best Buy) were no-name brands that were exactly identical in manufacturing. I finally demanded another original emachines one from them. This one looks differently manufactured, and doesn't have what I suspect was the cause of the prior failures (a flexible por |
| 15:41:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, I don't think my laptop is manufactured anymore, so if I do end up needing a replacement I'm going to have to shop around again. |
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| 15:47:08 | fergie | Is the ipod recharging issue already fixed? |
| 15:47:49 | fergie | That it drains faster than it can charge? |
| 15:48:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Feature freeze for 3.0, no official iPod-only changes/work should really be going on at all, ideally. |
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| 15:53:31 | fergie | OK, I will wait then. |
| 15:53:49 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: iirc, amiconn was looking into it last night. |
| 15:53:57 | fergie | This is the make or break issue for many ipod users i think. |
| 15:54:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it hasn't been released yet. |
| 15:54:41 | ashridah | it looks like it's not moving to >100mA on the usb port while charging (at least, that's the issue he was looking at, don't know if there's more |
| 15:55:03 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sony PCG-Z1RMP (already more than 2 years old now) |
| 15:55:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I've heard that said a few other times as well over the last month, by other people too I think. |
| 15:55:49 | amiconn | Still quite good performance |
| 15:55:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | My iPod Nano actually doesn't lose charge during playback while plugged into my laptop's USB port. |
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| 15:56:24 | ashridah | yeah, but nano's like the one that draws the least current to run, isn't it? :) |
| 15:56:26 | spacesyl | Plop |
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| 15:56:39 | fergie | I have a 4G Ipod and it cetrainly has that issue. |
| 15:56:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I would expect so, since there's no disk spinup |
| 15:57:21 | kerb | My problem is usually that the disk spins up all the time |
| 15:57:23 | amiconn | Mini is also okay |
| 15:57:25 | fergie | I wanted to switch th rockbox completely but i had to stop using it due to that charging issue |
| 15:57:27 | ashridah | fergie: apparently charging in disk mode works normally, or something |
| 15:57:31 | kerb | Usually thanks to dircache by what I can see |
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| 15:58:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | kerb: What are you saying exactly? |
| 15:58:05 | fergie | I know because then it doen't play |
| 15:58:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | fergie: Well, for the moment Rockbox users should be looking at this more as "testing" than "Software ready to be used fulltime." As I said, it's not released yet. |
| 15:58:29 | kerb | got to go |
| 15:58:40 | fergie | np |
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| 16:01:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd loves it when someone hints at a problem, blames it on a specific feature, and disappears when prompted to actually explain what they mean. |
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| 16:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3000... |
| 16:27:46 | petur | ? |
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| 16:28:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just posted my 3000th |
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| 16:30:21 | petur | congrats ;) |
| 16:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 16:31:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know if that's the proper response, or "You poor, sad little man" |
| 16:31:52 | petur | your support effort is impressive, that's for sure |
| 16:33:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, no matter how good documentation gets, it can't beat someone saying "Now don't panic, we can fix this" when someone goes wrong. |
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| 17:00:47 | cadu | hello guys! in my town i'm not being able to find any good pmp (UMS....ogg...flac) and discovered rockbox, but ....is it worthy to buy an iPod expecting to put rockbox on it and be happy? |
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| 17:01:44 | ashridah | rockbox is still very much in development on the ipods, but that said, a lot of stuff still works. |
| 17:01:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | cadu: Depends on your expectations. For now Rockbox is still in development on iPod, so has some bugs, but and of course, Rockbox doesn't play video, and I noticed you say you're looking for a PMP, and not just an audio player. You *can* use the retail firmware for Video, but that's non-UMS |
| 17:02:06 | cadu | oh sorry |
| 17:02:09 | cadu | bad term |
| 17:02:12 | cadu | pmp (portable music player) |
| 17:02:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually "PMP" is Portable Media Player, in my experience. :) |
| 17:02:24 | cadu | i want mp3 / ogg / flac and UMS, that and i'm happy |
| 17:02:33 | cadu | i don't care for video, photos etc :) |
| 17:02:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox on iPod should be plenty suitable for that. |
| 17:02:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I believe Rockbox on iAudioX5 does that job a little bit better at the moment. |
| 17:02:53 | cadu | i live in japan but can you believe i can't find a good "geek oriented" music player here ? T__T |
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| 17:03:36 | ryran | hola all |
| 17:04:13 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: any annoying issues? i wanna buy a music player in the next months and the only good choice here is the ipod (the others are usually creative locked players and those chinese no-branded small sticks) :( |
| 17:04:31 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: then i see something claiming mp3 and ogg and flac on an ipod. dammit i want it :P |
| 17:04:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | cadu: Well, the primary question is: Do you intend to use an equalizer? |
| 17:04:45 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: no. don't like it. |
| 17:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then a 5G iPod should provide no major problems other than right now the battery life is poor in Rockbox. |
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| 17:05:22 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: still has a lot of room for optimisation :) okayz |
| 17:05:38 | cadu | if only i could find a iAudioX5(L) here.... aaaa |
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| 17:06:04 | ryran | (I can testify to what Paul says. just bought a 5g and am absolutely loving it.) |
| 17:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | cadu: Yeah. Definitely a lot of room to optimize yet, but other than that the 5G iPod port is overall fairly good. |
| 17:06:52 | cadu | nice, any experiences on it ? |
| 17:07:14 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: like....put on some 256kbit/320kbit mp3 and some Q5+ oggs on it and no big thing playing those? |
| 17:07:23 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: coz dammit, you got me happy. |
| 17:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I listen to Q6 oggs on my Nano without problems |
| 17:08:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've also tested the nano with up to... 8 or 9 if I recall |
| 17:08:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 5G has a little more difficulty driving the screen, but I believe 320kbps MP3 and Q6 or 7 Ogg have been reported to work fine on it. |
| 17:09:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't have a 5G, so I have no firsthand experience outside the Nano, for iPods at least. |
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| 17:10:25 | ryran | all my mp3s are lame -v2 encoded and I've had absolutely no skipping on my 60gig video (unless I'm trying to play games or do some other plugin type thing) |
| 17:10:29 | ryran | just, fyi |
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| 17:11:51 | cadu | ryran: nice, how many hours of playback? +-5 ? |
| 17:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | cadu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 17:14:09 | cadu | at most 10 hours |
| 17:14:13 | cadu | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks :) |
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| 17:17:56 | ryran | cadu: sorry was afk. I've only had my 5g two weeks now. have been meaning to do testing, but I haven't yet. =D |
| 17:18:05 | ryran | all I can say is that YES the battery is less |
| 17:18:19 | cadu | :) |
| 17:18:54 | cadu | if i'm really going for an ipod ( no other choice ) i should find spare usb fem cables and some resistors to build myself an AA-battery usb charger :P |
| 17:19:02 | ryran | hah |
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| 17:23:44 | cadu | thanks for the answers, guys. |
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| 17:23:59 | webguest69 | hi |
| 17:24:35 | ryran | hey webguest69 |
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| 17:25:29 | webguest69 | I've just started coding a few plugins for rockbox... |
| 17:26:06 | webguest69 | but I'm sort of a newbie |
| 17:26:34 | ryran | sounds cool |
| 17:26:41 | ryran | you looking for help or som'n? |
| 17:26:46 | webguest69 | I wonder if someone could answer a few questions to give me a headstart |
| 17:27:01 | webguest69 | hi ryan |
| 17:27:31 | ryran | heh.. wouldn't be me. I'm just a lowly user. :) |
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| 17:28:01 | webguest69 | do you know anyone who could help me a bit? |
| 17:28:40 | ryran | na man. this is the place to be though.. people seem pretty chill here−−might take a little while for someone to respond |
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| 17:30:06 | webguest69 | ohh, ok |
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| 17:36:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Another thing to do is leave a message in the forums with your question, or post it to the development mailing list. |
| 17:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | As people in here come and go, with one of those you at least have the message/response possibility over a delayed time, so someone can read it when they wake up in the morning, or whatnot. |
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| 18:07:36 | HCl | does anyone know how the latest cvs changes are put on the site? I can't seem to be able to figure the cvs log command out.. |
| 18:07:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 18:08:05 | HCl | like, you can see all the last changes that were made |
| 18:08:17 | HCl | I'm trying to get a list of what was changed between yesterday and now on this other cvs |
| 18:08:21 | HCl | but I have *no* idea how |
| 18:08:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wouldn't that be something to search for either a man page about, or the CVS site? |
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| 18:13:27 | HCl | did |
| 18:13:32 | HCl | even asked in their channel |
| 18:13:36 | HCl | can't find it |
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| 18:15:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/index.php?title=CVS−−Concurrent_Versions_System_v1.12.12.1:_History_browsing |
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| 18:23:02 | redondos | Hello. I just installed rockbox to an iPod nano. Is it possible to boot the apple firmware or are they mutually exclusive? |
| 18:23:18 | redondos | Because the manual says that id I want to boot the original firmware I should remove the rockbox.ipod directory. |
| 18:23:25 | HCl | Paul_The_Nerd: doesn't work.. |
| 18:23:30 | redondos | Why can't I just choose which one to boot? |
| 18:26:51 | ryran | redondos: you can. you have to hold down the menu button when booting to boot into the original firmware |
| 18:27:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: The link doesn't work, or the instructions do not? From what I understand that's the official CVS wiki manual. |
| 18:27:29 | HCl | instructions |
| 18:27:46 | redondos | ryran: Great, thank you. |
| 18:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: Well, that's what they say to do. I'd suggest just doing some further google research then. |
| 18:28:01 | HCl | it spits out some weird list which in no way resembles any kind of last cvs commits done |
| 18:28:07 | HCl | yea, that's why I asked here |
| 18:28:10 | HCl | I'm desperate :/ |
| 18:28:18 | ryran | redondos: keep in mind though that you really need to hold it down like.. *from the beginning* or it won't do it |
| 18:28:51 | ryran | redondos: then, to get back into rockbox, just to a reset by holding down menu + select for 5 seconds |
| 18:28:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: You tried cvs log, as well as cvs history? |
| 18:28:57 | HCl | yup |
| 18:29:00 | HCl | cvs log sort of works |
| 18:29:00 | HCl | but |
| 18:29:05 | HCl | I can't set a date before |
| 18:29:10 | HCl | and it simply spits out all commits ever made |
| 18:29:12 | Lear | hci: there's a script that pieces the log together, possibly from several cvs commands. |
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| 18:29:30 | HCl | got a link? |
| 18:29:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | HCl: http://ximbiot.com/cvs/wiki/index.php?title=CVS−−Concurrent_Versions_System_v1.12.12.1:_Guide_to_CVS_commands#SEC159 |
| 18:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you followed the links within the articles, it tells you how to set a range of links for the log command |
| 18:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | dates rather, not links |
| 18:30:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:30:55 | HCl | I did |
| 18:30:59 | HCl | it didn't appear to do anything |
| 18:31:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | You did it the same way they show in the examples? |
| 18:31:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | cvs log -S -d "2005/10/1<2005/10/3" |
| 18:31:53 | HCl | let me see |
| 18:31:56 | HCl | oh |
| 18:31:57 | HCl | no |
| 18:32:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 18:32:02 | HCl | they said a comma separated list o-o |
| 18:32:08 | HCl | in the help |
| 18:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Semicolon separated list. |
| 18:32:31 | HCl | yea, that |
| 18:32:36 | HCl | so that's what i did |
| 18:32:56 | Lear | hci: see here: http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/recentcvs/ |
| 18:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I assume you could do "2005/10/1<2005/10/3";"2005/10/5<2005/10/6" |
| 18:33:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The ; is a separator of elements in the list, according to the wiki page |
| 18:33:35 | HCl | yea, so i thought they wanted the first date and then the second date separated by a ; |
| 18:33:39 | HCl | *tries the < thing* |
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| 18:34:28 | HCl | thanks :) that seems to work |
| 18:35:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone with an archos around? |
| 18:36:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Scratch that, I just realize it's something I can test in a sim. |
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| 19:07:13 | Dgently | Is there anyone here who can give me some quick help with an Archos FMR ata issue? |
| 19:07:37 | Dgently | I tried searching the wiki, and didn't come up with anything. |
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| 19:13:42 | dunno | Paul_the_ |
| 19:13:56 | Mikachu | Paul_The_what? |
| 19:14:02 | dunno | I hate it when it does that |
| 19:14:18 | Mikachu | Paul_the_pet_pelican? |
| 19:14:30 | dunno | I wanted to say, thank you paul_the nerd for helping me out |
| 19:16:17 | dunno | what does Brandon mean in the comments in this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890 |
| 19:18:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | The settings are saved as a binary lump, I guess he just didn't make a change that would tell it that lump is larger now? I really don't know for sure, just hazarding a guess. |
| 19:18:54 | dunno | do I have to do anything specific to the patch when I apply it ? |
| 19:19:55 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5522 |
| 19:20:02 | dunno | 20 minutes and counting for cygwin to "make" a build |
| 19:20:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | dunno: Yeah, you'd want to adjust settings.c appropriately I think, but I don't know what sort of adjustment needs to be done. |
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| 19:21:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | 20 minutes seems a bit long, though I guess it depends on your computer... |
| 19:21:31 | dunno | 1.13 P111 |
| 19:21:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, possibly understandable then. |
| 19:22:09 | dunno | ah well let it run, it took me long enough to get the darn thing to run, make the most of it |
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| 19:22:18 | dunno | Thanks for you help, much appreciated |
| 19:22:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know it took me ~7 minutes on a Athlon64 3400+, cygwin is not exactly speedy |
| 19:22:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know how frustrating some of this stuff can be. :) |
| 19:23:30 | dunno | sheez, I sometimes think that my so called "logical brain" is a big disadvantage with this stuff |
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| 19:25:28 | Ish_nitti | hello everyone |
| 19:25:42 | dunno | I wonder if lostlogi1 is lostlogic(Brandon) |
| 19:25:49 | Ish_nitti | i am a new ipod video owner, and am looking to install Rockbox |
| 19:26:00 | Ish_nitti | im guessing this wont allow me to watch my video podcasts? |
| 19:26:17 | Ish_nitti | i am aware of the dual boot option |
| 19:26:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | dunno: If it's not, it's someone pretending to be him. |
| 19:26:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: For your podcasts, you'll only be able to view them in the Apple firmware. |
| 19:27:15 | dunno | lostlogi1 hello there, are you Brandon :=) |
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| 19:35:24 | RedBreva | Hi, is mIRC working? Only just installed it, but no traffic in here, so not sure if it's just quiet, or i've got something wrong... :D |
| 19:35:40 | ryran | lol |
| 19:35:45 | ryran | it's just quiet |
| 19:35:46 | ryran | :) |
| 19:35:54 | RedBreva | :D Thanks |
| 19:36:10 | ryran | (I wondered the same thing when I first came in here yesterday) |
| 19:36:13 | dunno | its that time of the evening in europe, lull before the storm |
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| 19:36:37 | dunno | 19:36 CET, dinner time and family time |
| 19:36:44 | RedBreva | plus Germany are playing on TV - World cup and all that |
| 19:37:09 | Ish_nitti | Paul_The_Nerd: so dual boot would be my best option? |
| 19:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Your only one for video podcasts + rockbox for the moment |
| 19:38:02 | sharpe | Ish_nitti: yep. |
| 19:40:26 | Ish_nitti | No one watches video podcats? |
| 19:40:32 | Ish_nitti | thats absurd! |
| 19:40:33 | Ish_nitti | lol |
| 19:40:55 | RedBreva | I dont watch anysort of cats, pod or otherwise :D |
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| 19:41:29 | ryran | haha |
| 19:42:01 | Ish_nitti | They're rather informative |
| 19:42:16 | Ish_nitti | Might i suggest you look into it :) |
| 19:42:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean "No one watches" them? |
| 19:42:23 | Ish_nitti | Esp the technology related ones |
| 19:42:40 | Ish_nitti | You said i was the only one for video on rockbox |
| 19:42:49 | sharpe | no, he said that's your one option. :) |
| 19:42:53 | Ish_nitti | oh |
| 19:42:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I said it was your only option. :-P |
| 19:43:00 | Ish_nitti | I apologize |
| 19:43:19 | sharpe | :D |
| 19:45:18 | RedBreva | Rocketboom on the PC every few days is as near to a video podcast that I get, but even that is too small to really enjoy |
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| 19:50:59 | dunno | yay cygwin has finally completed a build, 55 minutes later |
| 19:51:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wow |
| 19:52:05 | dunno | I think that there might be an issue somewhere |
| 19:53:11 | dunno | I did full installs of cygwin from two different mirrors, wonder if this could have an effect on it |
| 19:53:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | In response to your last forum post: I don't think that should be a problem, as that's just where it stores things before it extracts and installs them. |
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| 19:58:33 | dionoea | hello |
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| 20:02:37 | Ish_nitti | Will installing rockbox format my ipods HD? |
| 20:02:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have an HFS+ one, reformatting is necessary |
| 20:02:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have a FAT32 one, it is now |
| 20:02:56 | Ish_nitti | I think i read somewhere that the ipodpatcher.exe need to format to update the firmware |
| 20:02:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | not |
| 20:03:04 | Ish_nitti | ahh gotcha |
| 20:03:08 | Ish_nitti | yeah its fat32 |
| 20:03:32 | Ish_nitti | thank you paul, you've been very helpfull :) |
| 20:03:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | No problem |
| 20:04:49 | dunno | nah that cygwin build didn't work, there is a big mess where theres supposed to be a zip file, back to the drawing board |
| 20:05:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Big mess? |
| 20:05:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And: I still think you should just use VMWare. |
| 20:05:23 | dunno | files all over the place |
| 20:05:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well yeah |
| 20:05:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | After running "Make" did you follow with "make fullzip"? |
| 20:05:39 | dunno | I dont really want to install linux on my pc |
| 20:05:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | VMWare isn't installing linux. |
| 20:05:56 | ryran | yeah dude |
| 20:06:02 | sharpe | hence the, "Virtual Machine" |
| 20:06:03 | dionoea | cygwin should work fine :) |
| 20:06:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You install a single program, VMWare player, and it basically runs a virtual computer. |
| 20:06:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | That fake computer runs Linux |
| 20:06:14 | ryran | I haven't tried cygwin but vmware worked superwell for me yesterday |
| 20:06:32 | dunno | ryan, i might be a dude to you, but i dont really like computers, no matter what flavour they are |
| 20:06:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Cygwin takes twice as long to compile, and has far more potential complications while setting up. |
| 20:06:45 | ryran | haha |
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| 20:07:14 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: but it takes less disk space :) |
| 20:07:31 | ryran | haha |
| 20:07:44 | sharpe | that it does. |
| 20:07:45 | ryran | well I suppose you have a choice then |
| 20:08:01 | ryran | keep playing with cygwin and have it take longer, or try vmware |
| 20:08:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | dunno: Anyway, did you do a "make fullzip" after the make? |
| 20:08:05 | ryran | ;) |
| 20:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | dunno: It doesn't create a .zip file until you run the second command. |
| 20:08:45 | dunno | Paul dont remember, so I'll another make fullzip, this time |
| 20:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | dunno: You can also do "make zip" if you're okay with it leaving out the fonts. But it's always "make" which creates all the files, then "make zip" or "make fullzip" which puts those files in a .zip to use. |
| 20:10:00 | dunno | haha, was typing irc in the cygwin window, thanks for that tip about the fonts, will try it |
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| 20:24:36 | dunno | my cugwin installation is unwell, I type make zip and it returns "find: apps; no such file or directory", *sigh*, i'll reinstall, cygwin ans see what happens |
| 20:25:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still suggest VMWare. It's much simpler to install and use. |
| 20:26:05 | dunno | thanks paul i'll look into that next, just seems a pity to come so far and have to abandon it |
| 20:26:46 | dunno | later |
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| 20:26:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but sometimes it costs more to fix something than to just buy a new one. ;) |
| 20:26:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Darn |
| 20:28:16 | Ish_nitti | Heh, well my ipod is trashed |
| 20:28:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh? |
| 20:28:52 | Ish_nitti | i used the bootloader-color-nondefualt.bin instead of the video bootloader |
| 20:29:02 | sharpe | ... |
| 20:29:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin |
| 20:29:11 | Ish_nitti | yeah i did that |
| 20:29:18 | Ish_nitti | oh wait |
| 20:29:20 | Ish_nitti | without the -w |
| 20:29:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 20:29:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | You did it with the -r to extract it |
| 20:29:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | -w writes it back, restoring the original |
| 20:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | To undo what you've done. |
| 20:29:55 | sharpe | i still have to get around to writing that tutorial on updating the apple firmware. |
| 20:29:55 | Ish_nitti | this is what i did |
| 20:29:56 | Ish_nitti | ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin |
| 20:30:09 | sharpe | did you put the number of your ipod in for N ? |
| 20:30:10 | Ish_nitti | should that be the bootloader? |
| 20:30:12 | Ish_nitti | yes |
| 20:30:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:30:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you used the wrong bootloader |
| 20:30:17 | sharpe | okay. making sure. |
| 20:30:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I just told you how to undo it. |
| 20:30:44 | Ish_nitti | so i should put the booloader-color-nondefualt.bin instead of rockboot.bin right? |
| 20:30:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 20:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | notice it says "color" not "video" |
| 20:31:05 | Ish_nitti | yes |
| 20:31:12 | Ish_nitti | but i needed that dual boot function |
| 20:31:18 | Ish_nitti | i guess it wont be doable. |
| 20:31:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Stop |
| 20:31:35 | sharpe | hammer time! |
| 20:31:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1) The official bootloader does dual boot. The one you tried to use defaults to Apple instead of Rockbox is all |
| 20:31:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2) Why did you think using software for a different iPod would work? Why would we label which one they were for if it didn't matter? |
| 20:32:07 | Ish_nitti | True |
| 20:32:15 | Ish_nitti | I was unaware i could still dual boot |
| 20:32:24 | Ish_nitti | with the proper firmware |
| 20:32:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3) Just boot your ipod into disk mode (menu+select held to reboot, then hold select+play to go into disk mode), then do the command I told you to restore the original apple firmware partition. |
| 20:32:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then follow the instructions PROPERLY this time. |
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| 20:32:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your iPod's fine |
| 20:32:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | And your music should still be fine even |
| 20:33:30 | Ish_nitti | Yeah i know its fine, i was just saying i crapped it :) |
| 20:33:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do end up sending rockboot.bin over, because it's what you get when you merge the bootloader with the apple firmware, but you *need* to create it with the proper bootloader bin file. |
| 20:33:43 | Ish_nitti | Well in disk mode it just says "Ok to disconnect" |
| 20:33:47 | Ish_nitti | yet its not connected to the USB |
| 20:33:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | So plug in the USB |
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| 21:20:41 | Ish_nitti | Interesting |
| 21:20:47 | Ish_nitti | Ok i get the blue bootup post screen |
| 21:20:59 | Ish_nitti | but i keep getting the -1 error, even tho i completed setup. |
| 21:21:55 | sharpe | Ish_nitti: are you sure the rockbox.ipod and /.rockbox folder are in the root of your ipod's drive? |
| 21:22:07 | Ish_nitti | by top-level (root) they mean outside of all the folders? |
| 21:22:09 | Ish_nitti | yeah im pretty sure |
| 21:22:14 | Ish_nitti | im double checking right now |
| 21:22:35 | Ish_nitti | F:\.rockbox\ |
| 21:22:44 | Ish_nitti | F:\rockbox.iaudio is in there also |
| 21:22:51 | Ish_nitti | should it be in the iPod_control folder? |
| 21:22:57 | Ish_nitti | im pretty sure F:\ is the root |
| 21:23:24 | sharpe | ... |
| 21:23:30 | sharpe | why do you have rockbox.iaudio? |
| 21:23:39 | Ish_nitti | it came with the .zip |
| 21:23:42 | sharpe | .... |
| 21:23:47 | sharpe | you downloaded the wrong zip then. |
| 21:23:51 | Ish_nitti | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 21:24:01 | Ish_nitti | oh shiz, you know what i did |
| 21:24:13 | Ish_nitti | it the iAudioX5 looks like a video ipod |
| 21:24:14 | sharpe | downloaded the wrong zip? |
| 21:24:14 | Ish_nitti | lol |
| 21:25:29 | Ish_nitti | wow do i feel stupid. |
| 21:26:17 | Ish_nitti | looks good |
| 21:26:24 | Ish_nitti | very basic menu :) love it |
| 21:26:32 | Ish_nitti | now to choose some decent themes. |
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| 21:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm... DAP with 10 band EQ. Sounds like ours needs an upgrade. :-P |
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| 21:36:05 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Which DAP has a 10 band EQ? |
| 21:36:39 | sharpe | we need a sixty band EQ! |
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| 21:37:14 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Is it also Parametric? :-P |
| 21:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Actually, I can't tell if it's an "EQ" that has presets, and just displays 10 bands of peakmeters, or an actual one. It's some new korean player that's pretty crappy with ONLY MP3, AVI, JPEG, and TXT supported. I kinda find it hard to believe that they mean 10 band EQ in the same way we would. |
| 21:40:00 | pekuja | will that be fixed for the release version? |
| 21:40:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | What? |
| 21:40:17 | pekuja | oops |
| 21:40:27 | pekuja | sorry, I had my window scrolled up |
| 21:40:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, what were you asking about? |
| 21:41:00 | Ish_nitti | what is the purpose of the rockbox-2.5-install.exe? |
| 21:41:00 | pekuja | hang on a second, I'll scroll back and check if that was discussed |
| 21:41:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: It's the previous release version? |
| 21:41:43 | Ish_nitti | this page |
| 21:41:43 | Ish_nitti | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 21:41:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Every now and then an official release happens, which has to meet a certain standard of bug-free-ness, and those are kept around so people who don't care so much about living on the edge have a stable one to use. |
| 21:42:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2.5 was the last official release, which included all Archos targets. |
| 21:42:37 | Ish_nitti | What is archos? another brand of mp3 player? |
| 21:42:40 | Ish_nitti | ive never heard of it |
| 21:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
| 21:42:52 | Ish_nitti | gotcha |
| 21:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 3.0 release is the next one, which may or may not happen soon, and encompasses the Archoses and irivers. The iPods aren't to be released for a while yet. |
| 21:43:16 | Ish_nitti | nice |
| 21:43:31 | pekuja | ok, well what I wanted to ask is that with the problem that sometimes a plugin can hog all the CPU by not yeilding, so will plugins that don't be included in the release version or will those be fixed or taken out of the release version? |
| 21:43:38 | Ish_nitti | well i booted into a stock rockbox, how do i get to my music now? |
| 21:43:46 | Ish_nitti | im thinking i have to create a playlist |
| 21:43:52 | Ish_nitti | or just read the freakin pdf manual |
| 21:43:53 | Ish_nitti | lol |
| 21:44:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: If you have music hidden by iTunes, try reading the TagCache wiki page. |
| 21:44:10 | Ish_nitti | ok |
| 21:44:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: Which plugin are you thinking of? |
| 21:44:26 | pekuja | not any one in particular |
| 21:44:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: I haven't experienced that problem on my H100 at all. |
| 21:44:33 | pekuja | ok |
| 21:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you know any plugins that don't yield? |
| 21:44:36 | pekuja | I have a H300 |
| 21:45:01 | pekuja | yeah, I did have a problem with at least one... let me check |
| 21:45:27 | pekuja | but anyways, the particular plugin wasn't really my point, but I was wondering if that will be tested somewhat |
| 21:45:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, we depend on people to actually *report* bugs. |
| 21:45:48 | pekuja | I mean at least to check that all plugins yeild at least a bit |
| 21:45:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, if you want it to get fixed, it'd be nice if you figured out which one it is. |
| 21:46:07 | pekuja | hmm |
| 21:46:15 | pekuja | I guess that's one way of looking at it |
| 21:46:48 | Ish_nitti | So it looks like i need to force a tagcache update |
| 21:46:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I mean, if I don't have this problem at all, clearly I can't find it. |
| 21:47:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're experiencing it, you sorta are the only person who knows exactly how it happens. |
| 21:47:17 | pekuja | well yeah, but I mean is that a sort of thing that gets checked before release or whatever? |
| 21:47:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | For release we try to fix as many reported bugs as possible. |
| 21:47:40 | pekuja | I mean if I was making a software release like that, I wouldn't want to ship buggy plugins with it since it's pretty easy to check if it's buggy or not |
| 21:47:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | How is it "easy?" |
| 21:48:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are over 20 plugins, 10 formats of supported music, and problems that may only occur at certain bitrates or under certain listening conditions. |
| 21:48:18 | pekuja | well of course |
| 21:48:19 | Ish_nitti | I agree |
| 21:48:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, how is it easy exactly? |
| 21:48:34 | pekuja | but I guess some problems might appear with any, if the plugin never yeilds, right? |
| 21:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you checked in the code that it never yields? |
| 21:48:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or are you just assuming that it does? |
| 21:49:14 | pekuja | I'm not assuming anything. I'm not talking about a particular plugin. |
| 21:49:25 | pekuja | I'm just wondering if the developers tend to check if all the plugins yeild or not. |
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| 21:49:52 | pekuja | because if I understand correctly, not yeilding would pretty much guarantee that it will hog the CPU |
| 21:50:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pretty much, yes. |
| 21:50:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be *quite* noticeable if it didn't yield. |
| 21:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if people reported bugs, we'd then know about it. |
| 21:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not like a developer can sit down and audit all the plugin code to make sure yields are used properly. |
| 21:51:01 | pekuja | well of course, but I mean you must do some testing of your own? |
| 21:51:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like what kind? |
| 21:51:07 | pekuja | well |
| 21:51:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an open source project. |
| 21:51:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why don't you contribute and do some testing and provide feedback? |
| 21:51:25 | pekuja | that doesn't mean you can't test it |
| 21:51:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it means that you *can* |
| 21:51:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a concern of yours. We haven't received bug reports on the plugins, so the assumption is that they're working. |
| 21:52:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean honestly, compared to playback code the plugins are a very minor thing anyway. |
| 21:52:24 | pekuja | so you just write the code and assume it works? |
| 21:52:35 | pekuja | well yeah, that's exactly why it's important that they don't mess the playback up |
| 21:52:39 | pekuja | but I do get your point |
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| 21:52:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: Why aren't you testing them? |
| 21:53:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The code isn't just written and assumed it works. |
| 21:53:01 | Genre9mp3 | Hehe...I like the basic focus of this conversation... |
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| 21:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | A plugin gets in by being written, several people trying it, finding it works, agreeing that it meets quality standards, and including it. |
| 21:53:18 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, I'm testing right now. |
| 21:53:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no assumption that it works |
| 21:53:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's tested when it gets included |
| 21:53:38 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, And yeah, I was only asking whether you conduct testing before a release, or do you count on bug reports. |
| 21:53:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's no audit to see if yields are being used correctly or anything |
| 21:53:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Testing is usually done before a plugin is included |
| 21:54:01 | pekuja | yeah |
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| 21:54:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be remiss to wait until a release cycle to test them |
| 21:54:11 | pekuja | well I guess that answers my question |
| 21:54:17 | pekuja | of course it would |
| 21:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's not like the yields are going to mysteriously vanish from the code. |
| 21:54:31 | pekuja | but it might be a good idea to check at the release cycle too |
| 21:54:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | For what? Vanishing yields? |
| 21:54:50 | pekuja | or are the plugins not modified at all after they're included? |
| 21:54:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what test conditions? |
| 21:55:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but as has been said, there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of test conditions |
| 21:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The obvious ones WILL be noticed, the non-obvious ones have to be depended on widespread use to be noticed. |
| 21:55:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, under what conditions do you recommend testing occur? |
| 21:56:39 | pekuja | maybe my question was too obvious |
| 21:56:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | What *exactly* are you proposing? |
| 21:57:11 | pekuja | I'm not proposing anything. I asked a question. |
| 21:57:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | You started off by citing a specific problem (a plugin not yielding). |
| 21:57:16 | pekuja | I think I know the answer now. |
| 21:57:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | You seem to think there should be some testing process. |
| 21:57:39 | pekuja | yeah, or moreso the fact that a plugin might stop audio playback |
| 21:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you also don't seem to know what it should be. |
| 21:57:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you've hypothesized a bug that as far as you know doesn't actually exist. |
| 21:58:38 | pekuja | well I do know that I got my audio playback to stop at one point by running a plugin |
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| 21:58:43 | pekuja | so I know there are problems |
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| 21:59:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Skip, or stop? |
| 21:59:28 | Ish_nitti | hrm |
| 21:59:33 | Ish_nitti | i have to install some patches |
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| 22:00:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Patches require compiling your own build. |
| 22:00:11 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, well I'm testing now, and I found that pacbox and metronome completely stop the audio playback, but I guess that's intentional? |
| 22:00:22 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, it'd be nice if there was a warning about that though |
| 22:00:29 | sharpe | pekuja: it's intentional. |
| 22:00:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, no bug yet. |
| 22:01:29 | pekuja | well there kind of is |
| 22:01:38 | sharpe | and what would that be? |
| 22:01:54 | pekuja | well it stops the audio playback without user request |
| 22:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The user requested to run a plugin with audio. |
| 22:02:13 | pekuja | it's not obvious that something called "pacbox" stops audio playback |
| 22:02:24 | pekuja | well yeah, but he might not know that |
| 22:02:28 | pekuja | like I didn't |
| 22:02:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then he didn't read the manual |
| 22:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which describes what the plugins are. |
| 22:02:41 | pekuja | hm... |
| 22:02:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pacbox is a PacMan emulator. |
| 22:02:58 | pekuja | does it tell that pacbox stops audio playback? |
| 22:03:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | "The user didn't read the manual" is not a bug. |
| 22:03:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | PacMan has sound. |
| 22:03:21 | Ish_nitti | looks like the author for this theme already compiled it with the patches |
| 22:03:22 | Ish_nitti | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/ |
| 22:03:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom also stops audio playback. |
| 22:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Yes, it may be slightly out of date, but it should work. |
| 22:03:57 | pekuja | I'll have to read the manual I guess, but does the manual tell that plugins with sound stop any other audio playback? |
| 22:04:03 | Ish_nitti | so i guess ill grab rockbox-jbuild-20060523-ipodvideo.tar.gz, do i just untar over the existing files on my pod? |
| 22:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: How would you hear sound if they don't? Though it probably doesn't say it explicitly, it seems like common sense to me. If you don't feel it is, file a correction to the patch tracker. |
| 22:04:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Put it on just like you did the rockbox.zip you used before. |
| 22:06:06 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, well, it might either not play the sound if something was playing, or ask the user if they want to stop the playback or whatever |
| 22:06:19 | pekuja | but, a quote from the manual: |
| 22:06:31 | pekuja | "Music will carry on playing whilst plugins are being run." |
| 22:07:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | So file a correction in the patch tracker if you think it needs to be changed. |
| 22:07:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said before. |
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| 22:07:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the way it is because the person who wrote it was okay with it. It doesn't mean it's perfect. You think it needs to be adjusted, then do so. |
| 22:09:40 | sharpe | i believe they also stop playback because they've to iram... not quite sure if i remember correctly. |
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| 22:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I think the only one without sound that stops playback is the JPEG viewer, which has a note telling the user that it will. |
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| 22:12:06 | pekuja | batterytest also seems to stop playback |
| 22:12:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | batterytest is supposed to be removed, I believe. |
| 22:12:40 | pekuja | hm, I think I don't even have a jpeg viewer here. is it new? |
| 22:13:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a viewer-style plugin |
| 22:13:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just click on jpegs |
| 22:13:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been in since before H300 support was added |
| 22:14:13 | linuxstb_ | sharpe: Yes, that's why pacbox stops playback - it needs IRAM and all the CPU in order to get realtime emulation. Other plugins may stop playback to get access to the extra memory, and others have sound themselves. |
| 22:14:23 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, what's it called? |
| 22:14:39 | sharpe | Score! I get one right again. |
| 22:14:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: jpeg.rock |
| 22:15:05 | pekuja | hm, I don't think I have it here |
| 22:15:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't show up in the plugin list |
| 22:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I told you |
| 22:15:19 | linuxstb_ | It's in .rockbox/viewers/ (not rocks/) |
| 22:15:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a viewer-style plugin |
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| 22:15:25 | xerxes1358 | Hello |
| 22:15:38 | * | Ish_nitti is away: lunchtimebitches |
| 22:15:48 | sharpe | i fought the washing machine and i won. |
| 22:15:52 | xerxes1358 | can rockbox have a file structure ? i.e. Can I have folders in folders that in turn contain audio files ? |
| 22:16:02 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, when did you tell me that? |
| 22:16:02 | xerxes1358 | note that folder in folder is important |
| 22:16:05 | sharpe | xerxes1358:yes |
| 22:16:16 | sharpe | xerxes1358: rockbox works as a filebrowser. |
| 22:16:22 | xerxes1358 | cool |
| 22:16:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: The next line after you said "Is it new?" says it's viewer-style |
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| 22:16:29 | xerxes1358 | and can this also be done for video files ? |
| 22:16:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 22:16:40 | sharpe | xerxes1358: rockbox does not support video |
| 22:16:49 | xerxes1358 | oh |
| 22:16:59 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, oh, I get it now |
| 22:17:10 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, I didn't understand what you meant by viewer-style at first |
| 22:17:35 | pekuja | but hey, I have an actual bug here, running the "fire" plugin makes the music skip |
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| 22:18:05 | pekuja | with a 160kbps cbr mp3 |
| 22:18:19 | pekuja | I'll see if I have some lower bitrate stuff here to test |
| 22:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: Viewers are described in the manual as well, by the way. |
| 22:19:24 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, ok |
| 22:19:56 | pekuja | Paul_The_Nerd, I still would not assume anyone to know what a "viewer" is though, since it's not at all important to know that if you just want to use them |
| 22:20:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, and? |
| 22:20:28 | pekuja | ok, the fire plugin is a bastard, it makes my 64kbps cbr mp3 skip too |
| 22:20:46 | pekuja | yes, and I didn't know the concept of "viewer" |
| 22:20:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | pekuja: What do you mean by "would not assume?" |
| 22:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you had established that you had read, or were reading, the manual |
| 22:21:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I knew you were fully capable of at least accessing the information, if not already possessing the knowledge. |
| 22:21:29 | pekuja | it's a long manual |
| 22:21:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also _the_ manual, so users should read it. |
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| 22:54:00 | Ish_nitti | how do i boot into the original apple firmware? |
| 22:54:16 | sharpe | hold menu before the bootloader loads. |
| 22:54:21 | Ish_nitti | i tried holding menu |
| 22:54:24 | Ish_nitti | yeah that didnt work |
| 22:54:26 | Ish_nitti | ill try again |
| 22:54:29 | sharpe | keep trying |
| 22:54:47 | sharpe | just turn it off, and hold menu to turn it on, and keep holding it. |
| 22:54:56 | Ish_nitti | ahh ok |
| 22:54:58 | Ish_nitti | let me try that |
| 22:55:23 | sharpe | be sure you do not move your finger either. |
| 22:56:13 | Ish_nitti | there we go |
| 22:56:53 | Ish_nitti | needed to get to my video podcasts :) |
| 22:56:55 | Ish_nitti | damn i love rockbox |
| 22:57:07 | sharpe | and rockbox loves you back |
| 22:57:11 | Ish_nitti | totally customizable |
| 22:57:13 | Ish_nitti | its insane |
| 23:00 |
| 23:01:23 | BHSPitMonkey_ | when rockbox plays the mp4s, I can switch completely :P |
| 23:01:33 | Ish_nitti | aka video? |
| 23:01:44 | BHSPitMonkey_ | mmhmm |
| 23:01:54 | Ish_nitti | i dont mind switching firmware to watch my video |
| 23:02:15 | Ish_nitti | most of them are long, so im already sitting down for a long period of time. taking 5 mins to reboot is nothing. |
| 23:02:34 | Ish_nitti | i just like the robust options for my music that rockbox brings to the table |
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| 23:06:20 | Ish_nitti | i have a question |
| 23:06:38 | Ish_nitti | how did the theme designers get screenshots of their theme in progress? |
| 23:06:47 | Ish_nitti | plugin? |
| 23:07:10 | sharpe | there is a build in screendump functionality |
| 23:07:13 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
| 23:07:25 | Ish_nitti | wow |
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| 23:07:33 | Ish_nitti | wb paul |
| 23:07:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thankee. Just had to get stuff done without worrying as to whether someone might ask me a question while I'm gone. :) |
| 23:08:11 | sharpe | that's why i'm here, to fill in :D |
| 23:08:28 | Ish_nitti | sharpe knows whats up |
| 23:08:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:08:42 | Ish_nitti | i was just saying how great rockbox was |
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| 23:08:56 | Ish_nitti | and how i didnt mind switching over to the original os to watch my vids |
| 23:09:03 | sharpe | well, i am in the 'Rockbox Expert' position on the forums. :D |
| 23:09:13 | Ish_nitti | ahh yes, there are forums as well |
| 23:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, well one day Rockbox will certainly have video. It's just, y'know, not likely soon. :) |
| 23:09:23 | Ish_nitti | Yeah |
| 23:09:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh yes indeed, there are very definitely forums. |
| 23:09:50 | sharpe | paul, you've never told of the person you have the inexplicable urge to ban. |
| 23:09:55 | Ish_nitti | Have you or the original coders of rockbox recieved anything from apple reguarding your os? |
| 23:10:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: As I said, it's a secret. |
| 23:10:17 | sharpe | :) |
| 23:10:25 | Bagder | Ish_nitti: we received exactly this much: −−-><−−- |
| 23:10:36 | * | Ish_nitti is back after 54m: lunchtimebitches |
| 23:10:37 | sharpe | actually a bit less than that, didn't we? |
| 23:10:39 | Ish_nitti | grr script |
| 23:10:43 | Ish_nitti | sorry for the spam |
| 23:11:07 | * | Bagder curses ups |
| 23:11:39 | Ish_nitti | i would put money on apple using some of your stuff on a "newer re-vamped" ipod interface |
| 23:11:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Missed you again? |
| 23:11:47 | Ish_nitti | same thing M$ did with xbox |
| 23:12:04 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: I haven't heard from nor seen them during the whole day |
| 23:12:07 | Ish_nitti | people modded their xbox to do a lot of stuff that is now standard in the xbox 360 |
| 23:12:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: That is terrible. |
| 23:12:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Apple has filed a patent for a feature remarkably similar to the VoiceUI |
| 23:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not identical, but similar |
| 23:12:42 | Ish_nitti | Interesting |
| 23:12:44 | Bagder | I guess I target tuesday now, as then I'll be home for a few hours during the morning |
| 23:13:05 | * | Bagder sighs |
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| 23:13:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is dying of curiosity |
| 23:13:30 | sharpe | yay cirtus fruits |
| 23:13:39 | redondos | Hello. After installing Rockbox on an iPod Nano and booting it, I don't see any music. Is there something else I need to do? |
| 23:14:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: If the music was copied over by iTunes, iTunes hid it. See the TagCache wiki page. |
| 23:14:02 | sharpe | either copy the music to your ipod in a folder-like structure, or use tagcache |
| 23:14:47 | redondos | I would like to share the music between the Apple OS, iPodLinux and Rockbox. I'll see if tagcache lets me do that. Thank you. |
| 23:15:08 | Ish_nitti | I would put the music in the root folder. |
| 23:15:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everyone *always* wants to use their music in the Apple OS. |
| 23:15:27 | Ish_nitti | I dont have exp with iPodLinux, but im sure it can view files in root just like Rockbox |
| 23:15:28 | sharpe | it's like iTunes is the bully kid on the playground |
| 23:15:30 | redondos | Ish_nitti: But the Apple OS and ipodlinux won't be able to read it, or will they? |
| 23:15:35 | sharpe | he hides other kids things... |
| 23:15:40 | Ish_nitti | hahaha |
| 23:15:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would you want to play your music in iPodLinux? |
| 23:16:01 | redondos | Paul_The_Nerd: All right, nevermind about ipl. Let's say I only want it on apple and rockbox. |
| 23:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | TagCache is fine for that |
| 23:16:11 | redondos | Cool. |
| 23:16:11 | sharpe | Tagcache is your best bet |
| 23:16:13 | redondos | Thank you. |
| 23:16:17 | redondos | Is it a rockbox addon? |
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| 23:16:21 | Ish_nitti | I dont like tagcache |
| 23:16:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's built in |
| 23:16:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Read the wiki page called TagCache at rockbox.org |
| 23:16:33 | Ish_nitti | im going to pull my mp3's to their own folders when i get home |
| 23:16:35 | sharpe | i don't use tagcache |
| 23:16:43 | sharpe | but that's just me |
| 23:16:46 | Ish_nitti | yeah |
| 23:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't mind tagcache, but only because I use it differently |
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| 23:16:55 | Ish_nitti | im using it for now becuase im at work, and my mp3's are at home. |
| 23:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, song title includes the word "Zelda" or some such. |
| 23:17:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then when I sync over ocremix tunes, or add to them, I can always have a dynamic "All songs from Zelda Games" remix |
| 23:17:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's more of a set of self-generating-playlists than a Media Database for me. :) |
| 23:17:52 | sharpe | paul, you have a zelda game songs remix? |
| 23:17:53 | Ish_nitti | nice |
| 23:18:11 | redondos | Ish_nitti: Can that be done? With what player device? |
| 23:18:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I have the first 1250 OCRemixes, if I recall. |
| 23:18:30 | sharpe | no clue what that is, but okay! |
| 23:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Which include many Zelda songs |
| 23:18:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | OCRemixes.org is a bunch of mp3s of remixes of videogame songs. |
| 23:18:47 | sharpe | ah. |
| 23:18:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many of which are actually good |
| 23:19:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some of which are terrifying instead. |
| 23:19:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like the "Hillbilly" genre remix of the Bubble Bobble theme. |
| 23:19:10 | redondos | Is an item called 'Music' supposed to appear on the main rockbox screen after enabling tagcache and letting it scan my files? |
| 23:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: Read the whole page. |
| 23:19:29 | redondos | Reboot, ok. |
| 23:19:34 | redondos | Thanks. |
| 23:19:38 | sharpe | lol |
| 23:20:03 | redondos | Is there a way to reboot *from rockbox* without hitting the key combination that produces a reboot on my device? |
| 23:20:11 | sharpe | hold play |
| 23:20:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Play/Pause to shut down |
| 23:20:12 | amiconn | Bagder: UPS (and other parcel services) are annoying here too. They only deliver Monday thru Friday, and during the day - where most people aren't at home. |
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| 23:20:20 | sharpe | then press menu or select to boot |
| 23:20:23 | redondos | ty |
| 23:20:23 | Cillian | where do I install teh patchset for midi? |
| 23:20:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cillian: Extract it preserving folders into .rockbox |
| 23:20:39 | Cillian | ok |
| 23:20:43 | redondos | "Commiting tagcache" -> yay |
| 23:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It creates a folder named patchset (or patches) if I recall... in /.rockbox/ |
| 23:20:53 | Cillian | patchset |
| 23:21:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It really only works halfway decent on the iRivers. |
| 23:21:19 | redondos | I still don't see where to browse my music from. |
| 23:21:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: One of the parcel services here doesn't even deliver to my door. They drop it off at the apartment complex's office, and don't notify me, so I have to watch the tracking number. |
| 23:21:31 | Ish_nitti | add a playlist |
| 23:21:32 | Ish_nitti | thats what i did |
| 23:21:43 | Ish_nitti | it will create root.m3u |
| 23:21:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: It also tells you how to change the file view to ID3 database there. |
| 23:21:48 | Cillian | midi seems to be working, but it's REALLY fast |
| 23:21:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: You need to read the whole page, as I said |
| 23:21:56 | Cillian | and lots of "Buffer miss" |
| 23:22:01 | redondos | Paul_The_Nerd: Sawrry :/ |
| 23:22:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Cillian: Ipod of some sort? |
| 23:22:10 | Cillian | yep, video |
| 23:22:20 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: ugh... |
| 23:22:25 | redondos | Sort of works :D |
| 23:22:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, resampling issue for the double speed thing, slow processor for the buffer misses, if I understand. |
| 23:22:38 | Cillian | Ok, 2 secs |
| 23:23:00 | Cillian | "FINISHED PLAYING" and it seems to have locked up |
| 23:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well that's lovely. |
| 23:23:52 | Cillian | :) |
| 23:24:09 | Cillian | Just upped the cpu frequency |
| 23:24:13 | Cillian | lets see what that does |
| 23:24:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The midi player should boost on its own |
| 23:24:25 | Cillian | Still double speed and messed up buffer |
| 23:24:40 | Cillian | Ok, forget midi |
| 23:24:41 | Cillian | :) |
| 23:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should never be any cause to manually boost. |
| 23:24:53 | amiconn | The only useful alternative here is DHL, which (1) also deliver Saturday and (2) if they cannot deliver, drop a note put the parcel at the nearest post office where you can pick it up. |
| 23:25:05 | amiconn | (during opening hours, of course, which also include Saturday) |
| 23:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | MIDI seems to suffer from drive-by-itis, where someone fixes some aspect of it to suit their needs, then lets it sit until someone else drive-by-fixes something |
| 23:25:22 | * | linuxstb_ works from home so has no delivery problems... |
| 23:25:29 | Cillian | The buffers aren't too bad, anything I can do about the double speed? |
| 23:25:41 | linuxstb_ | Fix the audio driver. |
| 23:25:48 | Cillian | ... |
| 23:25:51 | amiconn | For companies, UPS & friends are ok... |
| 23:25:56 | Bagder | it is slightly annoying that the shipment from US to Sweden took no time, and now it'll take many days just to get them to give the package to me |
| 23:26:30 | linuxstb_ | Cillian: IIUC, the problem is that the midi player plays back at 22.050KHz, but the ipod audio driver only supports 44.1KHz at the moment. |
| 23:26:49 | Cillian | Ookay |
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| 23:29:10 | Cillian | wouldn't it be easier to port the midi program to 44.1? |
| 23:29:43 | hardeep | Bagder: Do they offer you an option to pick it up yourself? That's what I do when my times don't match UPS's. |
| 23:29:44 | linuxstb_ | The audio driver needs completing anyway. |
| 23:30:09 | redondos | Do themes for other devices work on an iPod nano? |
| 23:30:17 | Bagder | hardeep: I think they do, but I have yet to call them and get the details |
| 23:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: Nope, nothing else has the same size screen. |
| 23:30:36 | sharpe | ups delivered my package to the wrong house the last time... |
| 23:30:39 | redondos | Paul_The_Nerd: All right, thanks. |
| 23:30:40 | Ish_nitti | you could create your own nano theme |
| 23:31:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: That's what I did! :) |
| 23:31:03 | redondos | When I'm viewing the ?now playing? screen, what's the fastest way of looking at the current playlist? |
| 23:31:05 | Ish_nitti | :) |
| 23:31:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | redondos: Hold Select (not just tap), then choose that option from the list, if I recall |
| 23:31:53 | redondos | great |
| 23:31:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I almost always get my UPS packages 1 day early. With the exception of one that got delayed because of a hurricane. |
| 23:32:04 | sharpe | heh |
| 23:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was merely on time. |
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| 23:32:39 | sharpe | yes, mine was delivered to the house in front of mine, when house numbers are clearly visible |
| 23:33:11 | dunno | any dev, what does brandom mean in the comments of this patch, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890 , and what do i need to do to install it please |
| 23:34:51 | linuxstb_ | dunno: You mean " WARNING: THIS PATCH CHANGES CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" ? |
| 23:35:21 | dpro | dunno: it means patches will be sorted numerically ? and you should backup your config before using a firmware with this patch ? |
| 23:35:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: The comment about it not updating settings I guess? |
| 23:35:33 | dunno | no this comment Shoot, I forgot to increase the used bits counter in the |
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| 23:36:37 | dunno | the comments down in the comments box :-) |
| 23:37:32 | dunno | Shoot, I forgot to increase the used bits counter in the settings.c file. If this gets applied, do that too. |
| 23:37:54 | dunno | brandons comments in the comments box for that patch |
| 23:38:30 | linuxstb_ | I think he's just referring to the "current sum of bits" comment in the code. So as Brandon said, it's only important if the patch is committed to CVS. You can ignore it. |
| 23:38:44 | dunno | thank you |
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| 23:45:57 | dunno | with vmware, can i apply moroe than 1 patch before compiling, or do I have to do one patch and repeat the process |
| 23:46:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can always apply as many patches as you want before compiling. |
| 23:46:21 | dunno | thanks |
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| 23:46:25 | Bagder | as long as they don't conflict with each other |
| 23:46:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as one patch doesn't break another one. |
| 23:47:41 | amiconn | grrr |
| 23:47:56 | * | amiconn cannot find petur's preliminary isp1362 driver patch |
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| 23:48:08 | dunno | hmm, its impossible to know if there's going to be a conflict, so I guess its a case of fingers crossed ? |
| 23:48:21 | Bagder | dunno: patch −−dry-run |
| 23:48:34 | dunno | k |
| 23:49:03 | redondos | Where can I get xobox from? |
| 23:49:36 | redondos | The page on the wiki doesn't say -> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginXobox |
| 23:50:23 | Bagder | google says here: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/xobox.htm |
| 23:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that plugins shouldn't be included in the plugin index if they're not in CVS |
| 23:51:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe a.. like... UnnoficialPluginIndex... |
| 23:51:08 | redondos | I see, ok, thanks. |
| 23:51:10 | Bagder | I agree |
| 23:51:13 | redondos | Yeah, that would be good. |
| 23:51:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unofficial even |
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| 23:51:30 | Bagder | or at least a big note on the page saying its not included |
| 23:51:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | In BIG red letters |
| 23:52:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a link to where it's available. |
| 23:52:16 | * | redondos would like it. |
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| 23:53:38 | dunno | the −−p0- <= is that a zero or a "O" |
| 23:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Zero |
| 23:55:56 | dunno | its mind boggling, its taken me 12 hours to get to the −−p0- cmd in vmware, after that cygwin abort, and still no patches, luckily I'm on leave |
| 23:56:55 | amiconn | xobox is in cvs... |
| 23:56:57 | linuxstb_ | redondos: Xobox is in CVS... |
| 23:57:06 | linuxstb_ | damn, too slow again. |
| 23:57:16 | amiconn | Is there an echo in here? ;) |
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| 23:58:57 | sharpe | only if the echo addresses said person... |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).