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#rockbox log for 2006-06-10

00:01:02dunnoif I'm having problems with vmware, can I exit and start from scratch without screwing this thing up
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00:01:45*amiconn found the patch
00:02:25*amiconn didn't really expect the patch in the wiki instead of the *patch* tracker
00:02:35amiconnHad to search the irc logs...
00:03:33dunnowhere it says, "File to patch", can i insert a new −−px- command
00:06:15Papricawhat do you think?
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00:08:56heffis there a cvs build that you can recommend for iPod 4G greyscale. mine just keeps on hanging while booting up
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00:14:27heff2006-06-07 seems to work
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00:15:30tucozweird. Very few changes in that version and the current build
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00:18:31amiconnlinuxstb: Could it be that the occasional hangs of PP5020 based ipods are caused by timer2, and that timer2 needs the same treatment as timer1 on frequency change?
00:19:52linuxstb_I didn't think timer2 was used for anything on the 4gs.
00:20:12amiconnIsn't it used for backlight fading?
00:20:48linuxstb_Don't think so. (checking now...)
00:22:18linuxstb_HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING is only defined for the Nano and 5g, and the 2nd gen mini.
00:23:37amiconnHardware docs would be really helpful :(
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00:24:00linuxstb_Indeed. The 4g's backlight has some kind of hardware fading.
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00:36:14sharpeyay, 100 'F somewhere on the mobo, and 152'F on the processor
00:37:01sharpeand 115 on the heatsink...
00:37:29sharpe82'F on the case...
00:37:51sharpe80'F on the hdd, and 100'F on the psu..
00:37:58sharpehooray for heat!
00:40:38ender`that's nothing. i've seen Celerons run at 96C
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00:50:04ender`don't let this happen to your CPU fan:
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00:55:08heffi actually had occasions where people brought in pcs that died just because of such cpu fans
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01:02:35Ish_nittii have a mini shuttle server at my house, when i upgraded the HD, the IDE cable was stopping the cpu fan
01:02:43Ish_nittiand i couldnt figure out why it was randomly rebooting
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01:19:29ender`heff: those two (i've had 2 such machines) just ran awfully slow
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04:56:16Paul_The_NerdAnyone of the ops around?
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05:09:37Paul_The_NerdBecause there's someone in our forums who says they're banned from the channel, and I was curious if anyone know why, or if it's a case of too broad of a ban having accidental casualties
05:13:53ashridahit's possible, there's some pretty broad ones there
05:14:32ashridahask him/her which isp they're with
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05:17:05Paul_The_NerdI don't know who they are
05:17:14Paul_The_NerdSo I can't vouch if maybe it was supposed to hit them or not.
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05:29:36ashridahyou could search the logs. the one on was set on may 23rd
05:39:14Paul_The_NerdI always forget to search the logs.
05:39:31Paul_The_NerdI'm all about the google, but somehow I always forget the logs even exist.
05:41:02Paul_The_NerdSo, that looks like the ban should be lifted.
05:41:11earHertzeh, just let him back in and forget it. If he later dioes something ban-worthy, ban him then.
05:41:23Paul_The_NerdIt's a different guy.
05:42:01earHertzYeah, my point is, it's just IRC. It's not even worth figuring out whop he is. Let anyone who asks in, and only ban thenm if they act up
05:45:06ashridahnow, all we need is an admin :)
05:45:17*ashridah prods Bagder
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06:27:24MalnilionSweet, I've found the official channel for the best mp3 player firmware available :D
06:28:46MalnilionI only found out yesterday that Rockbox supports the iAudio X5 so I've been using it since then. Very easy installation (for anyone who's ever upgraded their firmware before) :)
06:29:17Paul_The_NerdOh shoot, did we forget to hide the channel again? ;)
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06:30:52MalnilionMhmmm. I've been having a swell time. The most productive thing I think I did today was converting the Hooge 05_53 font to be used on my player :)
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06:31:36MalnilionI'm gonna work on a few more bitmap fonts in my spare time, I think.
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06:31:56loudun dun dun
06:32:05*lou installs doom on his ipod
06:32:23MalnilionThe only artwiz font currently distributed with Rockbox is snap and I like the other artwiz fonts too so I think I'm going to convert them if I can :D
06:33:39Paul_The_NerdSo, I went to Best Buy and looked at a Sansa e250 in person.
06:33:55Paul_The_NerdI have to say, I like it.
06:34:09midkaycongrats.. :)
06:34:10Paul_The_NerdI'm going to go from "forum monkey" to "person who's actually working on coding things" for that player, I think.
06:34:30midkayah. nice. :)
06:34:40Paul_The_NerdIn fact, once the pocketbook is a little more stable (after I've moved, as I'm changing apartment complexes soon) I shall likely be investing in one.
06:35:06midkaycool. i saw one on sale today (i believe).. $150 for a 2gb model..
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06:35:26Paul_The_NerdI've found the 6gb online for 235
06:35:50ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: features?
06:36:27Paul_The_Nerdashridah: 220x176 screen, very very sharp, plays various formats including that DRM encrypted WMA stuff, MPEG-4 video (Quicktime, I believe).
06:36:36Paul_The_NerdOnce more though, "Equalizer" means "Presets of various sorts"
06:36:40Paul_The_NerdThe wheel is nice
06:37:01Paul_The_NerdIt's mechanical-ish, and lights up while in use, which is pretty. As well, since you're actually turning something, you have a more consistent control
06:37:21Paul_The_NerdThe touch sensitive pad on the iPods doesn't get along with my skin. I also have problems with Laptop touchpads picking me up.
06:37:43ashridahmore meant hardware features
06:37:48ashridahsince you're looking to port rockbox to it by the sounds of it
06:37:51Paul_The_NerdFM Radio
06:37:57Paul_The_NerdMicro-SD reader
06:38:06Paul_The_NerdPortalPlayer chipset.
06:38:11Paul_The_NerdHaven't looked at the scans.
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06:39:49Paul_The_NerdI guess tomorrow I'll start doing a little more research, in preparation.
06:40:53Paul_The_NerdI understand there's scans of an opened one linked in the forums, so I'll start putting together a port page in the wiki.
06:42:52Paul_The_NerdOh, built in mic. Forgot about that.
06:43:16Paul_The_NerdIt's kinda like the demon-spawn of an Ondio and Nano coupling.
06:50:20hardeepoffice depot had the e260 for $130 USD the other day... not sure if the deal is still on
06:50:25hardeepi think that's the 4gb version
06:51:58Paul_The_NerdWell I can't afford one at the moment. You can't predict unforseen costs while moving, so that comes first.
06:56:41Paul_The_NerdBut it covers everything I can imagine asking for in a flash based player, so I see it as sort of a "final purchase" so once I can get my hands on one, I'll do everything *I* can to get Rockbox on it. Don't know how much that is, of course, as I haven't tried this before, but there's a fair enough chance I won't be working alone. ;) And even if I am by some horrible chance, the guys are here to offer advice. :)
06:57:57Paul_The_NerdOf course, there's also a decent chance that Sandisk will help out more than expected, and by the time I buy one, it'll be usable. :-P
07:02:37*Paul_The_Nerd would not mind at all if by the time he purchased one there were no work left for him to do.
07:05:11Paul_The_NerdWhile helping with a port for once would be fun, it's not like the forums are going to get any less... forumsy... while I'd be doing it.
07:05:32Paul_The_NerdC makes more sense than people, though.
07:05:33midkayhaha. forumsy. :)
07:05:40midkayhaha, certainly.
07:06:14Paul_The_NerdWell, I don't have a better word for them.
07:06:20midkayno, it's perfec.t
07:06:20Paul_The_NerdApparently, I make up 8.5% of posts now.
07:08:57earHertzoh sorry
07:09:03Paul_The_NerdNot so secret.
07:09:04Paul_The_NerdJust vague.
07:09:55Paul_The_NerdThey haven't said much of note. There's a package coming from them that keeps missing being delivered.
07:10:49*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
07:11:18Paul_The_NerdWe shall see what happens.
07:12:09earHertzman, I love sardines
07:12:23earHertzn mustard sauce
07:13:04Paul_The_NerdBut yeah, once I saw the player in person, I thought "I shall have this, and even should the cooperation fall through, I shall try to get a port effected."
07:13:07earHertzin fact, I just like fish. especially raw
07:13:13Paul_The_NerdSushi is good.
07:13:15Paul_The_NerdSardines are not.
07:13:23Paul_The_NerdThis is not debatable.
07:13:24earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: don't reward sandisk for being cagey
07:13:59Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Hey, they've already done more than Apple. They did compliment us.
07:14:11Paul_The_NerdIn fact, I think they even said they were impressed.
07:14:28Myst`I bought the e260 the other day (i'm in australia, just came out here). Have to say I like it a lot.
07:14:36earHertzyeah, compliments don't buy me any coffee
07:15:23Paul_The_NerdYes well, I like the player. I'm going to help out however I am capable to port it. I'll learn stuff along the way. These are all good things.
07:15:26earHertzthey should hire bagder or someone.
07:15:36Paul_The_NerdSo what if Sandisk is cagey? The e200s are still better 'n Nanos.
07:16:42earHertzwell, sure, but I never wanted a nano. I waited for the ipod 60gb for a rreason (the same reason I upgraded my archos to 60gb)
07:17:10Paul_The_NerdYeah, but I want a flash player as well as my HD player
07:17:28Paul_The_NerdPlus, I haven't yet seen an HD player that competes with the H100 series
07:18:13Paul_The_NerdThis interests me: If they start supporting Rockbox, do you think they'd be looking to hire someone who's quite familiar with providing support with it? ;)
07:18:18earHertzwhat's so good about h100s?
07:19:03Paul_The_NerdBuilt in microphone for easy note-taking, FM-Tuner great for emergency use, checking weather and traffic, etc, LCD remote for easy use from backpack or in a car, and SPDIF in/out for high quality recording.
07:19:04earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, for 27 cents an hour, in Banglahore
07:19:31earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: impressive< i admit
07:19:38earHertzhow many gbs?
07:19:52Paul_The_NerdThey came in 10, 15, 20, and 40 I believe
07:20:02Paul_The_NerdAnd of course the 40 can be swapped for a 60 these days.
07:20:08Paul_The_NerdNo color screen, mind you.
07:20:26earHertzeh. I'd like to say that color doesn;t matter, becasuse it doesn't
07:20:30Paul_The_NerdI agree
07:20:32earHertzbut I've grown attached to it
07:20:32Paul_The_NerdSome people don't.
07:20:57Paul_The_NerdThe h120 also got 19 hours in Rockbox under a recent test, which is 20%+ more than the stock firmware.
07:24:49*Paul_The_Nerd wonders how the Sansa became named 250, 260, 270.
07:24:56louquestion, is rockbox supposed to play video files on the 5G ipod?
07:25:12Paul_The_NerdRockbox does not at this time support video.
07:25:29earHertzexcept the special rockbox ideo format
07:25:30louguess its 'worked on' ?
07:25:55midkayearHertz, only on a couple models.
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07:25:58earHertzlou: we'll probbly steal something from ipod linux
07:26:00Paul_The_Nerdlou: Well, it's not exactly a priority at this time.
07:26:03midkaylou, no, not even being worked on at the moment..
07:26:12midkay(unless someone hasn't spoken up about it)
07:26:39Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: There's a mpeg2 decoder plugin in the tracker that decodes frames and tells you that it did it (doesn't display, doesn't run on iPods)
07:26:43louwhich somehow makes it pointless to install rockbox on a 5G ._.
07:26:51midkayPaul_The_Nerd, sure, and a divx (or xvid) one..
07:26:53Paul_The_NerdPointless if the ONLY thing you care about is video
07:26:57earHertzmidkay: I'm going to steal ipodlinux's lcd routines, but nothing for playing videos
07:27:01midkaybut it's not *being* worked on, and those *barely* worked.
07:27:04lounot the only thing
07:27:07Paul_The_Nerdlou: You can dual boot.
07:27:08midkayearHertz, what lcd routines?
07:27:09loubut one of them :)
07:27:24Paul_The_Nerdlou: As well, Rockbox is intended for people who actually want _audio_ features. Boot into Apple to play your videos.
07:27:25earHertzmidkay: the hotgog ones linus told me about
07:27:38louoh dualboot?
07:27:43*lou checks manual
07:27:44earHertzlou: sure
07:27:45midkaylou, if all you want is video playback, why install anything? the apple firmware plays *lovely* H.264 and mpeg4 videos.
07:27:50midkayearHertz, ah.
07:27:59loumidkay, not *all* i want
07:28:05midkayso what do you want?
07:28:22lougapless audioplayback, equializer and video playback :)
07:28:34midkayrockbox of course lets you access the original firmware..
07:28:43loudid not know that
07:28:53loujust have it on the pod since 30 minutes or so
07:28:54midkayrockbox has gapless playback and equalizer among many more things, as well.
07:29:06loumidkay, yes. thats why i was installing it
07:29:24Paul_The_NerdI wonder why retail MP3 players don't ship with a 5-band EQ...
07:29:33midkayPaul_The_Nerd, lazy coders? :)
07:29:48midkayoh, what is it then?
07:29:50loumore like 'simple customers'
07:30:05earHertzyeah, honestly, I have no idea what do with an equalizer
07:30:07Paul_The_NerdIt is pretty often that people request presets from Rockbox.
07:30:24Paul_The_NerdBut then, technically, if you have no idea what to do with an equalizer, you probably shouldn't be interested in it anyway.
07:30:26midkaynah, there are ways around that.. e.g. the rio karma has an advanced 5-band parametric EQ, which also has an alternative standard bass/treble mode..
07:30:38Paul_The_NerdYou can also offer a 5-band *with* presets
07:30:55Paul_The_NerdI mean, on the H120 I can load presets, adjust 5-band, or adjust hardware bass/treble.
07:31:05loualso doom on the ipod is somehow geeky
07:31:13*lou tries to impress girls with it
07:31:27Paul_The_NerdSome people feel the need to adjust the hardware bass to max, and then add low frequencies in the EQ as well, which seems like incredible overkill.
07:31:47midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah.. to each his own, or whatever.. :)
07:32:13Paul_The_NerdI dunno, +24db or so of bass seems a bit... much.
07:32:32midkaypoor headphones, poor listener, or both, or more.. :)
07:33:18Paul_The_NerdPeople who are use to listening to their music exclusively through the subwoofer under the back seat of their car.
07:33:39Paul_The_NerdI saw someone complain about a headphone once because it could not produce "Car bass"
07:33:45midkayhahaha. car bass.
07:33:57midkayyou've seen everything, jeez.
07:34:19earHertzmidkay: add a ssetting for car bass to rockbox
07:34:34Paul_The_NerdA highpass filter at 600hz?
07:34:44midkaywhen enabled, sets low band +50dB.. ;)
07:34:50midkayor maybe +75. hm.
07:35:09Paul_The_NerdOr was that lowpass
07:35:16Paul_The_NerdFor some reason I get those two backward alot
07:35:28earHertzso an equalizer adjusts teh volume of specific frequencies?
07:35:43Paul_The_NerdFrequency ranges.
07:35:46Paul_The_NerdAnd technically the gain.
07:35:57earHertzI don't understand gain
07:36:30louoh cool
07:36:36loudualboot is incredibly easy
07:37:02midkayah, i forgot to commit that "make it really complicated" update i've been working on...
07:37:04Paul_The_NerdearHertz: ""
07:37:08Paul_The_NerdWrong paste
07:37:21Paul_The_NerdearHertz: "gain is usually taken to meaning the ratio of the signal output of a system to the signal input of the system"
07:37:33midkayall the better, i suppose.. wanted to try to add in a few more bugs.
07:37:33loumidkay, :)
07:37:43earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: ok
07:38:11earHertzbut why do it? shouldn;t I trust that teh recording sets the gain correctly?
07:38:32Paul_The_NerdBut most headphones have imperfections
07:38:34EbErThow bout you put those bugs on yourself for a few weeks before setting them on everyone else midkay
07:38:41Paul_The_NerdThey may, for example, not produce the signal in a certain range well
07:38:46midkayEbErT, that defeats the purpose! :)
07:38:49Paul_The_NerdSo you can boost the gain in that range to compensate.
07:39:01midkayrockbox is all about making things complicated as fast as possible. :)
07:39:10midkayheaven forbid i should leave any code actually functional.
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07:39:39EbErTsomeone should try "uncomplicating" things til the 4g freeze is discovered :/
07:39:47earHertzand how do I figurre this oput for my headphones? listen to various tones at set frequencies and make a subjective decision?
07:40:11midkaymuck around with the various values until it sounds pretty good. :)
07:40:11Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Yup. Or just listen to your music, and think "Hmm... it feels like the bass isn't generally strong enough"
07:40:25Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Or see if someone's already compiled a frequency response diagram for yours.
07:40:37earHertzI didlike subjective evaluations
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07:40:51Paul_The_NerdThe problem with audio quality is that it's entirely subjective in the end.
07:41:23midkayearHertz, and me, but.. EQ isn't something that you can just do from like a technical point of view. :) without a lot of work..
07:41:44EbErTi usually don't want things extremely "true" sounding, cuz then i realize i'm listening to 128 or 160 kbps mp3's..
07:42:25midkay'true'.. *shrugs* you should make it how it sounds good, not necessarily "true" or "fake" or whatever. :)
07:43:08earHertzwhat is "good"?
07:43:19Paul_The_NerdHow you like
07:43:26EbErTthis 4g freeze period: if i have it, right now it only freezes every 20-30min or so
07:43:59EbErTdid much more with other wps's on, maybe part of it has to do with something displayed on wps
07:44:42Paul_The_NerdDoes it ever freeze while music is *not* playing?
07:44:57loui do need to boot in the original apple firmware, when i want to charge the ipod via a powercord right?
07:45:02earHertzis lou still here?
07:45:06lou(as in its not connected to a computer)
07:45:17Paul_The_Nerdlou: For the moment, it's the best way.
07:45:22loumm i see
07:45:23earHertzlou: btw, reaxding book is much easier on teh rockbox than on the ipod formware
07:45:28Paul_The_Nerdlou: Actually, Disk Mode is the best way
07:45:43EbErTPaul_The_Nerd: no, but i haven't tested that much
07:46:25louvery pleased with rockbox so far
07:47:11Paul_The_NerdEbErT: Charging in Rockbox is unreliable because it may actually drain faster than it charges. In Apple, there's the possibility of entering deep sleep, though that shouldn't happen for over a day after charging completes (more I believe). With Disk Mode, the iPod should never reboot until you trigger it.
07:47:55EbErTi think you meant to tell lou that
07:48:39Paul_The_NerdNah, you'd said "no" to me, so I figured I'd explain.
07:48:47EbErTyou should still get more life if you play rockbox while its charging right?
07:48:52EbErTthan not
07:49:12Paul_The_NerdBut I believe only the Nano reliably charges in Rockbox right now
07:49:18Paul_The_NerdThe others may or may not.
07:49:40Paul_The_NerdI've even heard some people report theirs not charging even when _not_ playing music
07:49:44EbErTyou mean with things playing, or not
07:49:51EbErToh, weird
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07:50:09Paul_The_NerdRockbox doesn't draw full power across USB either, I believe.
07:50:39amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: The ipods do charge in rockbox, but really slowly
07:51:22EbErTbut does on firewire?
07:51:26Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: They try to. Some consume more power than they get from USB. People have tested and had lower levels after several hours than they had when they started.
07:51:30amiconnI took a charging log of my mini g2 (remember, it has only a 630 mAh battery) using battery_bench *without* playing music
07:51:46Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: For example, *I* can charge my nano and gain power while playing music.
07:51:53amiconnIt took 10:30 to complete the charge
07:52:57amiconnFrom my playtime measurements, I estimate that the mini g2 would also gain charge while playing, but it would take ~ 16 hours for a full charge
07:53:49amiconnThis is because rockbox doesn't really control charging, and so the ipod draws only the default 100mA from the USB port
07:53:50EbErT'm happy with 4hrs charge/play
07:55:24sharpegood morning everyone.
07:55:29amiconnHmm. The "big-disk" ipods will then most probably discharge overall when connected to usb and playing music
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07:55:45sharpealthough it's only two in the morning for, good morning.
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07:55:52amiconn..but of course play longer than the 4..5 hours
07:56:00amiconnmorning sharpe
07:56:07amiconnHehe 07:55 here
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07:56:50sharpei'm starting to go to sleep later and later, i think it's going to be like it was before, go to sleep in the morning, wake up at night.
07:56:53loueurope represent ._.
07:57:09sharpeso it's a constant dark :\
07:58:20EbErTyou should only do that if you don't associate with other people in the flesh, sharpe
07:58:33EbErTor love nightclubs
07:58:37sharpei do, however it's generally at night; eg concerts, parties, etc.
07:59:04EbErTwhat about work tho
07:59:16sharpei don't?
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08:01:15sharpei've gotten home at two in the morning these past... three or so nights. :D
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10:44:52JdGordonis there a way to know how many ram chips are in the comp without turning it off or rebooting? (linux)
10:46:09rclwlllyes, i think somehow via ACPI
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10:59:19*amiconn found another playback bug
10:59:30amiconnResume doesn't work properly with mp1
10:59:31midkaysurprise, surprise..
10:59:56amiconnIt always resumes from the beginning of the track, although seeking works properly
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11:43:11dunnomorning, is it normal for vmware to hog 300 megs of ram ?
11:44:54earHertzdunno: depends on how much memory the guestt is using
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11:45:49earHertzdunno: the vm offered on rockbox is limited to 256MB
11:46:04earHertzon my own vm, I increased this to 1GB
11:46:19dunnosorry, about that, hmm so its pretty dynamic
11:46:20earHertzbuit then my real machine has 2gb actual mem
11:46:47earHertzdunno: yeah, the vmware appears to trey to staty as small as possible
11:47:15dionoeayou shouldn't need 200 megs of ram if you just build rockbox from console.
11:47:33earHertzIt's using about 600MB for me, but I've got two different guests running
11:47:49earHertzyeah, I've gfot KDE in one
11:48:18dunnoI'm only using one guest and trying to get a compile going, so that should use about 200 ?
11:48:32dionoeadepends if you have X running or not
11:48:33earHertzindidently, anyone knowe howe I can install kdevelop? apt-get and synpatic both won't
11:48:44dunnomaybe I've borked the installation somewhere
11:48:50earHertzdunno: see how much mem rghe guest thinks it is usuing
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11:49:46amiconngcc can be a real memory hog when compiling complex source files
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11:50:36amiconnpacbox/z80.c is an example...
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11:51:16amiconnThat one didn't build with a 128MB vm and no swap space
11:53:26dunnoamiconn, do you live in the munich area ?
11:53:34amiconnnope, Berlin
11:54:04dunnoheh, surrounded by football fans are you ?
11:54:32*amiconn doesn't care
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11:54:53dunnothanks for the info, back to day two of trying to get a compile going, the saga continues
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11:55:21earHertzdunno: get the vmware gsx, make your own guest as you want it
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12:06:30earHertzlinux is pissing me off. too damn many package depemdencies
12:07:05dionoeawhat distro are you using ?
12:07:22earHertzdionoea: ubuntu with kde (kubuntu) installed on top of it
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12:08:13dionoeawell that should work fine since it's apt/dpkg based
12:08:34earHertzyeah, but apt-get workks for some shit, not others
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12:37:27peturbah.. my 25 degrees celcius limit is reached, soon wil experience a thermal shutdown :/
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12:41:11peturheya Bagder.... does ups deliver in the weekend?
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12:46:35peturamiconn: around?
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12:49:08justinvmHi. Installing doom on the rockbox for mini 1g
12:49:23justinvmi'm having trouble. i have copied allthe files as suggested
12:49:30justinvmwhere do i go to load the plugin?
12:50:13peturmenu -> browse plugins
12:50:33justinvmit's not there
12:50:47justinvmdo i need to add the plugin or something?
12:52:19ashridahdoes doom even compile for the mini 1g yet?
12:52:26peturlooking at I see mini is not supported
12:52:40justinvmson of a
12:53:06amiconnpetur: sorta
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12:54:12peturamiconn: re the yielding in i2c_coldfire: either remove the yield or add a yield argument to the call?
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12:56:37amiconnAn argument sounds bad, but I also think we should keep the yield
12:56:57amiconnIf we don't, it might cause nasty effects
12:57:03nudelI didn't come here for an argument. skipping when adjusting volume by holding up or down
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12:59:00*petur wonders if optional arguments are part of the c-standard rockbox requires
13:00:02amiconnBtw, removing the yield() from i2c_write() would remove the reason to remove the yield() ...
13:00:35amiconn...because if i2c_write() doesn't yield, there's no need to disable interrupts for the gain adjustment
13:00:49peturheh, probably
13:01:30peturbut could still have an interrupt come in between...
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13:02:32amiconnYes, but I don't think the interrupts are the problem
13:02:57peturI'll try it
13:02:58amiconnYou could just try it - comment out the yield(), then try recording
13:03:31amiconnISRs are usually short, but a thread can take more processing time before it yields again
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13:05:05amiconnOne indication is that the freeze happens with the remote plugged - the remote scrolling thread takes its time because the data transfer is comparatively slow
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13:06:12peturafaik there is no scrolling on the remote in the recording screen
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13:07:55linuxstbamiconn: MP1 resuming should just be a case of inserting "case AFMT_MPA_L1:" at about line 1730 of apps/playback.c
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13:13:03amiconnStrange... I would have expected resume handling to be identical for all supported formats in playback, and the special handling to be done in the codecs...
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13:14:35linuxstbI agree - it should be. There are still various formats where resume isn't working.
13:14:55amiconnYes, but even that shouldn't be a real problem
13:15:25amiconnplayback.c would just provide the stored resume position, and leave the interpretation to the codec
13:15:34amiconnThe codec would be free to just discard it
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13:15:57*amiconn will try the suggested fix
13:16:52linuxstbI think the reason it's done in playback.c is to prevent playback.c from buffering data which the codec will then immediately discard. i.e. it seeks before the buffering starts.
13:18:05amiconnThat brings back the idea of having two parts of a codec - a loader and a decoder
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13:18:31linuxstbI'm definitely in favour of that.
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13:21:14amiconnlinuxstb: It works... will commit the fix
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13:30:18dunnoI have placed patches in the rockbox-devel directory, I cd to rockbox-devel in vmware, but when I type in "patch −−dry-run −−binary -p0 < patchfilename" i get this message, "No such file or directory", i have tried with diff p(x) swicthes and no luck, i have also double checked that the patch file names are correct, any ideas ? (a normal build compiles succesfully as per the guide)
13:30:30amiconnWargh :/
13:30:37*amiconn just earned 98 points for nothing
13:30:56amiconnJust now there are 2 build servers utilising native gcc 4.1
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13:31:05amiconnOne is even mine - sic
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13:32:08ashridahdunno: are you sure the patch file is in the current directory and has the same name (even matching upper/lowercase)?
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13:32:44dunnohmm, define current directory please
13:33:00ashridahas in, the same directory you're running the command in
13:34:27ashridahbecause a 'no such file or directory' from the shell usually indicates that the file after < is missing in your case (you get command not found if patch is missing, and patch's error message is completely different)
13:35:45dunnoyes, somehow it isn't seeing the patches in the rockbox-devel directory, hmm, but it does a normal compile ok
13:36:32ashridahtry specifying them as patch −−dry-run −−binary -p0 < /path/to/patchfile
13:36:58dunnothanks will try that
13:38:26amiconnashridah: Why −−binary ?
13:38:31*amiconn never used that option
13:39:09ashridahamiconn: it's his patch, ask him :)
13:39:34peturamiconn: removing the yield() and not disabling irq also causes glitches (will now verify by re-adding irq disable)
13:39:45dunnoI'm just following the directions in the wiki
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13:40:57dunnois it wrong to use −−binary ?
13:42:20dionoeait shouldn't be needed if you're just patching source code
13:42:38dunnoso what do you reccommend
13:42:52dionoeanot using −−binary :)
13:43:24dunnopatch −−dry-run -p0 etc
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13:44:01dunnois that cmd line ok ^^
13:46:38dunnowhat cmd line would you use to apply a patch ?
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13:47:34peturstill glitches with irq disabled? must be doing something wrong there :(
13:48:49dionoeadunno: i use patch -p0 < /the/patch/file
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13:49:57amiconnpetur: The UDA1380 doesn't seem to like you...
13:54:18dionoeai'm thinking about changing the tokens in the flipit plugin (make them bigger and colorfull). Would these look ok dionoea/tokens.png"> ?
13:54:47peturamiconn: real life neither...
13:55:01dionoeabtw, are color icons for the file browser planned ?
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14:00:59amiconnpetur: rockbox is very real...
14:01:04dunnoi list the dir and it shows/sees the patches in the directory, but yet doesn't see them when i patch -p0 < them, very strange
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14:06:01nocterrolooked at the vb wps creator, seems like could be some improvement. anyone know if there's any actual interest in a gui for creating wps's?
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14:24:43linuxstb_nocterro: Yes, I'm sure there would be a lot of interest in a GUI WPS creator.
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14:39:12nocterrookay, I need a project atm and something like that looks like about my level. If ever something eventuates I'll post it to the wiki
14:40:30nocterroanyone wants to suggest features, advice or whatever email me at nocterro[
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14:44:52heffis there a feature that i can enable lcd backlight only on demand (like holding menu in apples original firmware) on my ipod 4g grey?
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14:53:20nG|luciferhi guys
14:54:04nG|luciferi just installed rockbox on my ipod, everythings fine so far, but i ran into trouble booting it and wondered if anyone else has a simliar problem
14:54:25nG|luciferi installed it using linux
14:54:48heffipod 4g greyscale?
14:54:52nG|luciferyea ^^
14:54:56heffand whats the exact problem?
14:55:01heffhangs while booting?
14:55:37nG|luciferbooting itself works, however, it either hangs up at a screen showing some information about my hardware, or, if i press a button (no matter which one) it boots up to a logo-screen, but than it doesn't go on anyway
14:56:06heffinstall this cvs build:
14:56:15nG|luciferdoes the 4g greyscale often make trouble?
14:56:23heffhad same problems and this cvs build worked for me
14:56:33nG|luciferthx :)
14:56:38heffdunno. i use rockbox since yesterday
14:56:57nG|luciferhehe i just discovered it, and it looked better and more functional than ipod linux
14:57:23heffi found the link on the FLAC website yesterday
14:59:46nG|luciferokay i see if can get this working, thanx for your help :) cu l8er
15:01:11heffok cu
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15:14:00nG|luciferhey this works for me, too :) thanx a lot
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15:17:10dionoeais there some simple api function to change the lcd's background color ? or should i just draw a big rectangle ?
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15:24:04dionoealcd_set_background seems to be what i was looking for :)
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15:31:36nG|luciferdo u program anyything right there?
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15:39:05earHertznG|lucifer: hmm?
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15:41:42nG|luciferhe asked something about an api function, i just wondered wether that could be interesting :)
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15:49:17nG|luciferdamn rockbox is lovely
15:52:54dionoeanG|lucifer: i'm changing the flipit plugin to look nicer on targets with color screens
15:53:23heffis there a keypress to enable lcd bglight?
15:53:41earHertzheff: any keypress ought to turn on th ebacklight
15:53:50heffon ipod 4g grey
15:54:06heffwell yes but i disabled that. because of battery life.
15:54:24heffin apple original you needed to hold menu
15:54:31heffanything similar in rb?
15:54:37dionoeagiven the reduced number of keys available, i doubt that this is possible
15:54:48dionoeait would "waste" one precious key
15:55:02dionoeabut since i'm not a rockbox dev i don't know for sure :)
15:55:44heffwell rb combines keys like play + select
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15:56:22earHertzheff: code firmware/drivers/button.c to turn off teh backlight when your finger lweaves teh keypad
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15:56:59rclwllldoesn't rockbox already have a toggle with which the first keypress only enables backlight but does nothing else?
15:57:08heff:) nice idea
15:58:23earHertzsinxe there' slaready a test that turns it obn, I think you can just add and else to turn it off
15:58:59rclwlllyes, "first keypress enables backlight only", isn't that enough? :P
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16:41:57michaelconnerhi... got a patching question. i've got the vmware devel platform installed and have downloaded a couple of patches.
16:42:09michaelconnerwhere do I install them from? from /rockbox-devel?
16:42:49hardeepdepends on how the patch was created
16:43:04hardeepyou may need to fiddle with the -p options to get it right
16:43:25michaelconnerwhat does -p specify?
16:44:55hardeepsee "man patch"
16:45:06hardeepit strips leading directories
16:45:43michaelconnerok, guess i could RTFM, eh? :)
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17:03:50dionoeacolor filpit dionoea/dump%20060610-170122.png"> (ipod color) (ipod video)
17:03:55dionoeaany comments ?
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17:27:28MalnilionDoes one really need vmware to compile and patch Rockbox?
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17:28:04dionoeaMalnilion: cygwin should also work
17:28:17MalnilionGreat, that's just what I needed to know :)
17:28:36MalnilionI'm glad I have kept Cygwin around.
17:28:44dionoeabut i never tried it myself
17:28:47MalnilionI've used it quite a bit the last couple days.
17:28:50dionoea(for rockbox)
17:29:19MalnilionI used it to run fontforge yesterday and make myself a font for Rockbox (well, convert myself a font, that is)
17:29:58Paul_The_NerdI originally used Cygwin, before the VMWare environment was available
17:30:05Paul_The_NerdIt works fine, but takes about twice as long per compile
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17:30:44MalnilionOh well...I've got time to wait :P
17:31:41Paul_The_NerdWell, Rockbox has a cygwin mirror with the packages you need, I believe
17:32:27MalnilionI have a question.
17:32:37MalnilionIs Cygwin even really a necessity?
17:32:50MalnilionI mean could one just have MingW and still compile it?
17:34:03dionoeaMalnilion: you'd need make and other stuff too
17:34:31ashridahyou'd need msys along with mingw yes
17:35:13MalnilionMmmm, I think I'll look into it :)
17:35:30MalnilionMingW would probably be faster than Cygwin.
17:36:18ashridahit's also a lot smaller, iirc
17:36:34ashridahsince it doesn't attempt to recreate an entire unix environment
17:36:53MalnilionWell, I have both Cygwin and MingW, so that's not really my issue.
17:37:07MalnilionThey're both taking up space on my computer already.
17:37:20ashridahwell, for you yes, but the casual dev.
17:37:26ashridahwho's looking at either cygwin or vmware
17:37:50MalnilionWell, if there was a choice between the three I'd go for MingW only if possible.
17:38:30Paul_The_NerdYeah, VMWare is somewhat huge.
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17:39:55MalnilionIt'd be cool to get an autobuild script to automatically generate a daily build for myself :)
17:41:22MalnilionProbably wouldn't be too horribly complicated to do, either.
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17:42:50hardeepPaul_The_Nerd: Does sound from the simulator work for you from VMWare?
17:44:51Paul_The_Nerdhardeep: I'm running the old VMWare image without any graphical capabilities at all. I've been somewhat... lazy.. about updating.
17:45:11Paul_The_NerdIt lets me compile builds, patch, and update. That's been all I've needed. ;)
17:45:16Paul_The_NerdDo you want me to try to upgrade and check?
17:45:29hardeepnah, don't worry about it
17:45:37Paul_The_NerdIt's not like I can't have two images in parallel.
17:45:47hardeepi'm pretty sure it doesn't work... that's the main reason i haven't switched over to it
17:46:25Paul_The_NerdDo you have to set up your virtual machine to have a virtual soundcard, like you do for USB, CD-Rom and floppy?
17:46:36Paul_The_NerdIt's possible nobody's told it that it needs to work
17:46:54hardeepi did some google searches and couldn't find much
17:47:07hardeephaven't spent enough time on it though
17:47:25hardeepit might have to do with sdl
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17:48:04Paul_The_NerdI'll download it and see what happens at least
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18:00:09MalnilionI have another question.
18:00:32MalnilionOn the scrolling margins patch page, is the latest one at the bottom or the top?
18:00:41Pi_ Bagder: sorry about what i said on MR, i didn't intend to sound accusing or to 'point fingers'
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18:01:37Pi_Malnilion: look at the times of the postings to be sure but i think it is the botom
18:02:08MalnilionWell, the one at the top isn't in a post is why I asked.
18:02:43MalnilionSo I figured it might be one of those links that is updated with every major release. But then again, it might not be.
18:02:50earHertzwhat ides are you all using for coding rockbox? I'm considering jdevelop (until now I've used scite). any commnets?
18:02:55MalnilionSo I just downloaded the one at the bottom..
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18:03:30Pi_the one at the top is the origonal
18:04:00MalnilionAh, ok, don't want that one, then. :P
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18:06:07DaBladeare there any developments planned for Creative Zen?
18:06:56Hansmaulwurfsee this thread
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18:11:19MalnilionWoo, upgrading Cygwin could take a while :)
18:11:28MalnilionDon't know why I'm bothering, really, lol.
18:16:19DaBladeHansmaulwurf: So nothing for now then.. :(
18:20:06Paul_The_NerdDaBlade: Most ports begin when someone actually starts them.
18:20:14Paul_The_NerdDaBlade: Someone with the player needs to start doing the work.
18:20:29DaBladePaul_The_Nerd: I get the hint, but I barelly know basic BASH
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18:20:37DaBladePaul_The_Nerd: I'm no coder.
18:20:54DaBladePaul_The_Nerd: If I was, I'd be chopping away at my Zen Touch ages ago.
18:21:12Paul_The_NerdWell, find a community of Zen fans online, point them to Rockbox, and fish for support among people who have the player
18:21:49DaBladeHm. :/
18:21:53Paul_The_NerdAnyone who can program can work on Rockbox, since it's available and open source. On the other hand, you pretty much need the player, and a love for it, to work on porting to it, so it's best to start with owners and introduce them to the software than the other way around.
18:22:41DaBladeI can't program. :P
18:23:18Paul_The_NerdYou already said that.
18:23:42Paul_The_NerdBut: People can learn to program, it just takes time. As well, you're not the only Zen owner out there.
18:23:50DaBladeI know.
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18:43:08Hansmaulwurfyou could pay someone
18:43:14Hansmaulwurfmaybe he could code if for you ;)
18:43:34Hansmaulwurfbut I think learning C is better
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18:48:17Paul_The_Nerdhardeep: Just tried the SDL sim in VMWare, and the progress bar doesn't even increase on a song.
18:49:09hardeepPaul_The_Nerd: Thanks, that's the same as what I saw
18:49:23hardeepwill have to investigate one of these days
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19:17:45*Paul_The_Nerd wonders what "only records in 32kbps WAV format" means.
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19:38:15juliushi guys, could someone please point me to the source file which is used for the onscreen keyboard? for e.g. at Save current playlist menu and so on.
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19:41:45juliusplease :)
19:42:42markunapps/recorder/keyboard.c I believe
19:43:41juliusmarkun, thanks for the help, but isn't that used for the recorder screen? I made some changes to the player/keyboard.c but after make nothing changed
19:44:16Paul_The_NerdWhat did you try to change?
19:44:23markunrecorder should be renamed to bitmap and player to charcell
19:44:45markunjulius: which DAP do you have?
19:44:53juliusPaul_The_Nerd, I try to fix the bug regarding the jBlackGlass theme, you know, the onscreen keyboard should be placed below the status bar
19:45:25juliusmarkun, what is DAP?
19:45:36markundigital audio player
19:45:37juliusmarkun, I just downloaded the latest cvs
19:45:47juliusaaa, ipod 5g
19:46:03markunthen you need recorder/keyboard.c
19:46:12juliusok, thanks a lot markun!
19:46:18markunno problem
19:46:37Paul_The_Nerdjulius: Isn't that a design flaw in the status bar patch? Are you going to post an updated version of the patch that causes the bug?
19:46:43Paul_The_NerdLike, to the tracker?
19:47:47juliusI'm going to fix the statusbar patch so the onscreen keyboard looks good to, and I will release the new binaries with album art patch too, and with the 64mb memmory, so everything should be fine shortly
19:48:11Paul_The_Nerd"Release new binaries" is different from "Put the updated patch on the tracker at the old entry"
19:49:25juliusI can't keep updating the all the entries regarding this, I upload all my latest patches to my server and I will place a link to them (btw: I haven't created any entry at the tacker)
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19:49:51Paul_The_Nerdjulius: Isn't the statusbar patch originally someone else's?
19:50:10Paul_The_NerdIf it causes bugs, and you fix them, you should *really* post the fixed version to their entry.
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19:51:14juliusPaul_The_Nerd, I'm not sure, you may think of on other one, I did a patch for my jBlackGlass and Green5g themes a patch wich changes the statusbar height and that's it, but there is a problem with the onscreen keyboard which I try to fix now
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19:52:27RanokI'm interested in helping out? What do I need to know
19:52:36Ranok(languages, etc...)
19:52:47RanokI know python, perl, php
19:52:48Paul_The_NerdEither way, it's best if you submit patches to the tracker, so that there's a chance they'll one day get included in the official version. Y'know, either that, or actually just fork, rather than this whole complicated series of patches linked to through the forums that are required for your builds but have NO chance of entering CVS for real.
19:52:54Paul_The_NerdRanok: Rockbox is primarily in C.
19:52:56Ranoka little C, and Java
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19:55:57Paul_The_NerdRanok: The best way to help out at the moment, if you're interested in programming, is to try to track down and fix bugs listed on the patch tracker.
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19:56:13Ranokthe major problem is
19:56:15juliusPaul_The_Nerd, ye, I could do that :) but to tell you the truth, I did the patches the easiest way possible, so they are so badly made that I hope they never get into the cvs tree :)
19:56:20RanokI only have a iPod 3G
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19:56:48Paul_The_Nerdjulius: So, you intend to keep compiling your custom build forever, or to eventually stop and tell people "Sorry, but you can't use these WPSes with any newer features"?
19:57:04Paul_The_NerdRanok: How is that a major problem?
19:57:05juliusI think on doing a patch which reads the config file where you can define the status bar height, but I'm far from that :)
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19:57:20RanokI can't install it and see if i get any bugs
19:57:32Ranokbut I'll just see what bugs there are
19:57:32Paul_The_NerdYes, but you could help work on finishing up the 3G port first.
19:57:47RanokI can't find any info on that
19:57:52Paul_The_NerdSee if you can get linuxstb's attention, he might be better able to tell you what you can do to help
19:57:59Paul_The_NerdIf you can catch him when he's around and at the computer
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20:00:06Paul_The_Nerdjulius: It just seems that it could lead to future problems if these features never get implemented, as people who really like your WPSes (and I understand they're quite good) will eventually have to choose between them and features.
20:00:46Paul_The_NerdThat's my only real concern, I suppose, that the users will get upset with you, us, or both. ;)
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20:07:32DarkJesusOK, cool
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20:07:48DarkJesusI went to #vorbis and #hydrogenaudio and there was no response
20:08:08DarkJesusKinda an unrelated question, but...
20:08:21DarkJesusDo you know if there is a lancer enhanced ogg aotuv for linux?
20:08:46Ranokok, I've just going to look at some of the src, what's the best place to start to get settled in?
20:10:00Paul_The_NerdDarkJesus: I would've guessed the source would be available for it. Anyway, this isn't exactly where you should be asking.
20:10:09rclwlllDarkJesus, the source patches are available, but I haven't been able to compile it myself... the windows version works fine with WINE, though :P
20:10:11DarkJesusThere is no source for lancer
20:10:26DarkJesusIt's hard to patch?
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20:10:40rclwlllno, the patch works fine, but there's some trouble with compiling it... can't remember
20:10:49DarkJesusOh, OK
20:10:55DarkJesusAnd this happens to everyone?
20:10:58Paul_The_NerdRanok: The easiest place to get settled in, is coding a plugin. Read some of the existing ones, and use the Hello World one as a template to start with. But of course, depending on where you want to help with, you'll want to start digging into some of the more complex stuff.
20:13:01rclwlllDarkJesus, well, I tried to search and such but couldn't find a report of anyone succeeding in it...
20:13:10linuxstbRanok: I've literally got 30 seconds before I go out - the main issue with the 3g port is simply that the audio driver doesn't work. So the work that needs doing is debugging the audio driver. Comparing the Rockbox implementation to the ipodlinux implementation is a good place to start.
20:13:37DarkJesusWell, thanks rdwll, I won't bother myself then
20:13:37linuxstbI'll probably be around later, but I have to say bye for now.
20:13:39rclwllland now I use "wine oggenc2.exe" for my Vorbis encoding needs :P
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20:14:03DarkJesusDoes that work well?
20:14:10DarkJesuswine oggenc2.exe?
20:14:21DarkJesusAnd do you think I could do it through grip or something?
20:14:39crwlyes, I suppose so, I use it in my own script but can't see no reason for it not working with grip or similar tools
20:15:09crwlthe only problem with using WINE is that it brings some of Windows' retardations with it, namely the inability to have for example ":" in file names
20:15:14crwlbut that's probably not a huge problem
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20:15:45DarkJesusIs it faster than the non-lancer aotuv then?
20:15:56DarkJesusCos wine is kinda slower than native
20:16:25crwlit's not really slower in this kinds of programs where there are very little windows API calls involved
20:16:46crwlwith native non-lancer oggenc I get about 9-10x encoding speeds, with lancer (under wine) maybe around 16-18x
20:16:54crwlso it definitely is a lot faster
20:17:08DarkJesusCool, that would help me out a lot
20:17:14DarkJesusMy encoding speeds are very slow
20:17:31DarkJesusCould you help me find out what version I am meant to be getting?
20:17:42Galoisfor amd64, you can get near-lancer speeds just by compiling aotuv as amd64
20:18:01DarkJesusI don't have amd64
20:18:11DarkJesusVery far off - a thinkpad 600X
20:18:46DarkJesusThere's a few different lancers on the page
20:18:54DarkJesusDifferent sse's#
20:19:02DarkJesusI don't have a clue which one to get
20:20:02crwlcat /proc/cpuinfo and see what you've got on the flags line and choose accordingly (sse, sse2 or sse3)
20:22:03DarkJesusCool thanks
20:22:49DarkJesusJust sse...
20:23:10DarkJesusI'll get that one then
20:23:12DarkJesusThanks crwl
20:23:20crwlno problem
20:29:19juliusPaul_The_Nerd, I hope noone gets mad at us :) and I will try to rewrite my patches so they get into the cvs without much work, but till then I will support as good as possible my patches, i promisse! :)
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20:57:57tucozOut if curiosity, what would be a suitable video format for inclusion in rockbox? I would guess some with as little cpu demands as possble
21:00:11dionoeahere comes a little star plugin update for color LCD targets: dionoea/dump%20060610-205915.png"> ... comments ? ideas ?
21:00:16Paul_The_NerdI think someone suggested MPEG, Tucoz
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21:00:42dionoeawasn't an mpeg2 decoder submitted in one of the patches ?
21:01:02Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Waaaaaay too noisy, in my opinion. I'd suggest untextured (or low contrast) background tiles... and y'know... something a little less gimmicky than RB on the stars. But that's my personal preference.
21:01:56tucozdinoea, I like the flip-it gems
21:01:57dionoeaok, so i'll change the background ... but why remove those "RB" coins ? :)
21:02:22dionoeatucoz: thanks ;)
21:02:31Paul_The_NerdThey don't look very coin-like to me... I just though "It's a strange little yellow circle with RB in it"
21:02:34tucozIt would be splendid if you adopted it to the grayscale targets as well
21:02:46dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: ok, i'll put a big star then :)
21:02:46Paul_The_NerdMaybe though, with the lighter background, it'll look better.
21:02:50XavierGrhardeep: Unfortunaelty no, sound doesn't work in the VMware sim.
21:03:02dionoeatucoz: well i already have all the color targets covered
21:03:07dionoeai'll check grayscale later
21:03:08Paul_The_NerdI'm not anti-coin, it just looks a bit... I dunno... tacky the way it is right now
21:03:26dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: well a star would be logical given the game's name
21:03:30tucozcool. I have also been thinking of fixing the plugins. A lot of them needs proper scaling
21:03:41XavierGrhardeep: There is no sound package installed on this image. But I am sure that with the right packages it could be able to playback.
21:03:47Paul_The_Nerddionoea: True. :)
21:05:14dionoeatucoz: well i already have sokoban, flipit and minesweeper covered here
21:05:17dionoeadoing star now
21:05:23dionoeai'll commit once the freeze is over
21:05:31tucozhehe, nice
21:05:43dionoeaunless someone objects
21:05:57tucozThis sounds promising, too bad it´s lossless.
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21:06:57tucozhmm, it is probably pentium optimized
21:08:07Paul_The_NerdJust do it uncompressed. :-P
21:08:13dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: like that dionoea/dump%20060610-210732.png"> ?
21:08:38Paul_The_Nerddionoea: That looks _much_ nicer to me. :)
21:08:52dionoeagreat :)
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21:12:32ALoki have a question: are there any mods for the ipod shuffle?
21:12:56Paul_The_NerdNothing from Rockbox.
21:13:11dionoeaand non from ipod linux
21:13:46tucozdionoea, nice
21:15:31Paul_The_NerdALok: The Shuffle uses a different enough processor (and rest of the hardware) than the rest of the iPods that it's a complete project all on its own. As well, there's not *too* much you can change about it without coming up with a good way to deal with a menuing system that a user can't see (which our VoiceUI could work for once that's working well again)
21:16:09sharpei don't think there is a compiler for it's processor either, last time i checked.
21:16:10ALokwell, thats exactly what i was wondering, i was wondering if anybody knew of anything that can be done
21:16:31ALoknot really related to this or ipodlinux...
21:16:38ALokjust wondering if you guys knew of anything
21:17:21XavierGrHmm someone put a new voice file from Scansoft. I wonderd Scansoft's license and if there is any chance that they will bitch about it like AT&T.
21:17:56XavierGrI have to contact Loquendo too for this matter. I have many voice files with loqendo's engine
21:18:30Paul_The_NerdALok: I don't think anybody's done anything because it of the lack of compiler.
21:21:13tucozand maybe the lack of screen. Hard to print debug messages.
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21:25:38Mafiosodoes anyone own the iriver pmp-120
21:25:40Mafiosoor 140
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21:29:50sharpewell, i don't know; there is that two color led that can be used for debugging :D
21:30:04dionoeamorse debugging :)
21:30:41sharpeyou need to learn morse code to use rockbox with your shuffle... :D
21:31:11sharpewell, it'd encourage it.
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21:31:30Merczwhich mp3+fm player (non vid or anything esle) is best to gey in view of putting rockbox on it? :)
21:31:47dionoeahum, this looks weird:
21:31:50Paul_The_NerdMP3+FM would be H1x0, H3x0, or iAudio X5, right?
21:31:51dionoeaint label_offset_y = label_offset_y = LCD_HEIGHT - char_height;
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21:32:29Merczok mp3+fm+solid state
21:32:35linuxstb_Mercz: What Paul_The_Nerd said... The irivers (H1x0 and H3x0) are not manufactured any more, but have more mature Rockbox ports than the X5.
21:32:50Paul_The_Nerd+solid state = Ondio
21:32:51linuxstb_Mercz: The only Rockbox device that fits that is the Ondio FM.
21:33:03*linuxstb_ goes away and leaves Paul_The_Nerd to it...
21:33:14Paul_The_NerdWell, I would've missed the FM bit
21:33:17Paul_The_NerdI forgot there are two Ondios
21:33:38Paul_The_NerdThe Ondio FM is the only one that fits your needs right now, that Rockbox runs on. But it doesn't have multi-codec support
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21:33:41sharpedionoea: why does it look weird?
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21:34:09Merczjust mp3?
21:34:30dionoeasharpe: int label_offset_y = label_offset_y ... it's label_offset_y twice ...
21:34:33Paul_The_NerdAnd possibly WAV in the future.
21:34:35Paul_The_NerdBut yeah
21:34:42linuxstb_Mercz: If you can live without FM (e.g. get a separate cheap portable FM receiver) then the ipod Nano is the only other flash device.
21:34:56sharpedionoea, ah, i read the first one as label_offset_x
21:35:01Merczim trying to avoid ipod :P
21:35:14sharpei think i may be partially dyslexic.
21:35:22linuxstb_Once you install Rockbox, it's not an ipod any more (IMO)
21:35:25*Paul_The_Nerd agrees
21:35:29*dionoea too
21:35:36sharpeit's a rockpod!
21:35:38dionoeathe only issue is the lack of buttons
21:35:40*sharpe agrees also.
21:35:44linuxstb_About 50% of users hate that fact, 50% love it.
21:35:57Merczmmm nano
21:36:04Paul_The_NerdIf you want to avoid iPods, and the Ondio FM is too small capacity, then it's time to start a new port! :)
21:36:11dionoeaonce you have touch pad like control like they have in ipod linux it will be really great
21:36:23earHertzIt's still an ipod. Ipods are distinguished by having scrollwheeels
21:36:30Merczyeah new port!
21:36:43linuxstb_dionoea: That's only really an issue for games though. It's not a big problem for normal use.
21:36:59dionoeaonce you've learned the combos
21:37:24sharpesome games, it's fine with, because of the few buttons needed... eg, pacbox.
21:37:24linuxstb_The Ondio is even worse for combos than the ipod...
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21:38:03dionoealinuxstb_: i've never seen an ondio :)
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21:38:09linuxstb_dionoea: BTW, I read in the logs that you've been adapting plugins for the larger screens. Does that include the h1x0 and h3x0?
21:38:30Merczim looking for somethig that isnt out there :/
21:38:39dionoeawell the color lcds which i tested were all the ipods and iaudio
21:38:50dionoeai can add more if needed
21:39:02dionoeaand i still haven't done grayscale lcds
21:39:03Paul_The_NerdMercz: As I said, start a new port effort. There are decent flash players with FM capabilities.
21:39:08*sharpe needs to do something rockbox-related.
21:39:20dionoealurk on IRC ?
21:39:21linuxstb_dionoea: I was just thinking it would be nice to fix the remaining plugins for the h1x0 and h3x0 before 3.0
21:39:28sharpeother than that?
21:39:39Merczsmall, but large even to carry an aaa battery, mp3+fm, small lcd, usb, an sd slot
21:39:48dionoealinuxstb_: ok ... but that means i'll have to commit durring the feature freeze :)
21:39:57linuxstb_Yes, that's the point :)
21:40:14Paul_The_NerdMercz: If you can up that to a AA battery, there's a port in early state for the iFP-799...
21:40:20Paul_The_NerdNo SD slot though
21:40:35linuxstb_That sounds like the new sandisks
21:40:43Paul_The_NerdThe sandisks use their own rechargeable battery
21:40:44linuxstb_(not sure about the battery though, or FM...)
21:40:45Paul_The_NerdAnd Micro-SD
21:40:48Paul_The_NerdThey do have FM
21:40:50dionoeawell i'll commit all the color target when i'm done with star.c and then do grayscale
21:40:53Paul_The_NerdI played with one at Best Buy yesterday.
21:40:58Merczproblem is their sound quality is shit
21:41:05Merczotherwise i would go them
21:41:07Paul_The_NerdMercz: You've listened to an e200?
21:41:24Paul_The_NerdNot the same thing
21:41:25Paul_The_NerdAt all
21:43:47Merczdamn pricey
21:44:32Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: What would a 32kbps wav be?
21:44:43Paul_The_NerdMercz: They're $20 cheaper than Nanos at the same capacity...
21:45:00Paul_The_NerdHeck, I've seen the 6-gig as low as $235 US
21:45:04Paul_The_NerdSorry, maybe more expensive in Au...
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21:46:08Merczmmm looks like i might have to do some bargining :P
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21:50:57linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Depends what's inside the .wav file - it might not be simple PCM.
21:51:11Merczit requires wmp10
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21:55:11Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Ah. The e200 supposedly records radio and voice at 32kbps WAV, and I can't seem to find anyone talking any more about it other than that.
21:55:13XavierGrhmm my new sata disk has both sata power jack and normal. I guess connecting one of the 2 is allright?
21:55:20Paul_The_NerdMercz: What requires WMP10?
21:55:35Mercze200 series
21:55:38Paul_The_NerdNo, they don't
21:55:49Merczso the specs lie? ;)
21:55:51Paul_The_NerdThey require WMP10 if you want to use MTP to transfer songs (required for purchased from a service)
21:55:55Paul_The_NerdIt also supports UMS
21:56:09Paul_The_NerdThough no filetree browsing, it indexes your music automagically similar to TagCache
21:56:29XavierGrok time to shut down. I just purchased a new PSU.
21:56:37XavierGrand a 320gb drive
21:56:41*XavierGr drools
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22:04:38dionoeacan bitmaps have an odd width ? ('cause i have weird problems with width 13 while 20 works fine)
22:04:39XavierGrahh sh*t I lost my electrical screwdriver :(
22:05:58BenacoolXavierGr: Don't be lazy and use your own hands ;)
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22:10:03dionoeahehe, it was a "make clean" kind of problem :p
22:11:55MalnilionHey guys?
22:11:59MalnilionI have a question.
22:12:34MalnilionIs there any way to reset the theme by editing a configuration file or something when I have my iAudio plugged in my computer.
22:12:46MalnilionI fuxored things up to the point where I can't see the menus :)
22:13:12dionoeayou have to remove the config file i guess :)
22:13:21MalnilionSo I have to reset the theme but I can't find it through the rockbox menu because it's like feeling my way through the dark.
22:13:32linuxstb_dionoea: What kinds of bitmaps? AFAIK, they should work.
22:14:10dionoea22:10:03 < dionoea> hehe, it was a "make clean" kind of problem :p
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22:14:42dionoeacould any one with a clean iaudio sim tell me if the star plugin works ? (i can't get past the menu here)
22:16:31dionoeanever mind :)
22:16:42MalnilionIf somebody could tell me the key combinations I need in order to navigate to the "browse themes" area from the configuration menu, I'd be very happy :)
22:18:30XavierGrBenacol: I refuse to do that. That's why I paid for the god damn electric screwdirver. I need it once in a season and I can't find it. :p
22:18:44kerbanyone here able to send me an image of a 1.1 5g with, or without the rockbox bootloader?
22:18:47dionoealinuxstb_: is it ok if i commit all the plugin changes in one commit ? or should i split them up ?
22:19:27dionoeakerb: 1.1 ? is that the apple firmware version ?
22:19:39MalnilionNevermind, I solved my problem :)
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22:20:24BenacoolXavierGr: Good luck finding it then ;)
22:20:29kerbdionoea: yes
22:20:46*dionoea boots his ipod to see what version he has
22:21:22kerbThe only computer with windows that I have access to right now refuses to update the iPod for some reason
22:21:35linuxstb_dionoea: I think it's up to you. Personally, I like to commit in small changes and make the commit messages as useful as possible. But I'm guessing you'lll just be saying "adapted for X LCD(s)"
22:22:04XavierGrBenacool: thanks...
22:22:04linuxstb_dionoea: If you're adding bitmaps, don't forget to add them in binary mode.
22:22:05dionoeai'll split it up: the bitmaps, then each of the plugins one by one
22:22:58dionoeakerb: do you know where to find the firmware version ? (/me doesn't know the apple firmware very well)
22:23:16dionoeakerb: 1.1.1 here
22:23:21kerbaha :)
22:23:30kerbif you could dump that I'd be very happy :)
22:25:56dionoeakerb: it's on the way (dionoea/ipod/"> )
22:26:44dionoeamy upload is kind of slow so you might have to wait a bit
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22:31:26MalnilionThis whole scrolling margins thing isn't working out so well for me :/
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22:44:14dionoeaanyone know what that means:
22:44:16dionoeacvs commit: Using deprecated info format strings. Convert your scripts to use
22:44:19dionoeathe new argument format and remove '1's from your info file format strings.
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22:46:53linuxstb_I think I've always got that - no harm seems to come from it.
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22:50:35earHertzwhy is it that a change in list.h requires all plugins to be rcompiled?
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23:04:25linuxstb_earHertz: plugin.h will include list.h (or something that includes list.h....)
23:04:36linuxstb_Probably the menus.
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23:06:33earHertzlinuxstb: any though of moving from cvs to subversion?
23:06:45tucozAre the 49 warnings in the buildtable related to a certain box running a certain gcc version?
23:07:24tucozas the same warnings appear now and then
23:07:39Bagderamiconn's amd64 using gcc 4.1
23:07:59tucozI see
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23:23:00dionoeakerb: all the files are uploaded
23:23:08kerbdionoea: thanks :)
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23:28:46dionoealinuxstb_: grayscale bitmaps should have 4 levels ? (white, light gray, dark gray and black)
23:28:50dionoeaor can some have more ?
23:29:39tucozdionoea, do you think you can commit screenshots for your updates for the x5 (for the manual). Couldn't figure out how to access the menu in that sim
23:30:26dionoeathe keys i try are f1, f2, f3, f8, insert, enter, space and arrows
23:30:38dionoea(i have a laptop so i can't use the numpad keys :( )
23:31:00tucozI thought it was on the numpad, and I also use a lapto
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23:33:23linuxstb_dionoea: The LCDs only support 4 levels, but the .bmp files you commit to CVS can be up to 24-bit - bmp2rb is used to convert them to the native format as part of the build process.
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23:34:12dionoeaok. and the function used to display them is lcd_bitmap_part ? (like for color bitmaps ?)
23:34:59dionoeai'll have a look at the lcd core
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23:35:04linuxstb_Yes. All targets support "native' bitmaps - lcd_bitmap_part() - and mono bitmaps - lcd_bitmap_mono_part (I think...)
23:35:14linuxstb_The GraphicsAPI wiki page is helpful as well.
23:35:36dionoeanice :) i didn't know about that one
23:38:42dionoeaso i only need to do the grayscale bitmaps for h1x0 ... and maybe rescale the mono bitmaps for the remaining platforms
23:39:44linuxstb_You can draw mono bitmaps in different colours if you want to - I think you just need to call lcd_set_foreground() before drawing the bitmap.
23:40:49dionoeawell color lcds already have color bitmaps. I was talking about Archos recorders, Ondios, Iriver H1x0 with the grayscale lib
23:40:56sharpeweird... my monitor seems less blurry...
23:40:56dionoeashould i use that or not ?
23:41:57linuxstb_You mean the greyscale lib?
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23:42:16dionoeano grayscale :)
23:42:17tucozbut those plugins look ok on the archoses, but flipit and star isn't scaled on the h1xx
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23:46:37larryoneis there a misticriver IRC channel in existance? my query is not rockbox related - I'm looking at building an external battery pack for H3xx but not with AA batteries....
23:48:11larryonebut rather using a square 9V battery instead
23:48:45larryoneso I can get the USBOTG working and have a little bit of extra battery life
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