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#rockbox log for 2006-06-11

00:00:12larryonejust found it, thanks
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00:03:57tucozfor nothing
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01:18:39MalnilionGrrr, when was the last time anybody got the scrolling margins patch to work and what source code were you using?
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01:21:55BoD[]anybody know about ipod vs windows xp problems
01:22:05BoD[]like explorer freezing ...
01:22:38*dionoea raises his hand
01:22:50dionoeait freezes for like 20 seconds ?
01:22:59BoD[]well :( more than that
01:23:27BoD[]it freezes .. nothing happens, can't do anything... as soon as I unplug the ipod it unfreezes
01:24:19BoD[]does windows need some special drivers ? should be an "standard" usb mass storage right ?
01:24:27dionoeai guess so
01:24:55dionoeathe good thing is that it works fine under linux :)
01:25:13BoD[]but i don't have linux here
01:25:17BoD[]of courz
01:26:47dionoeagood night
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05:08:31RoC_MMwhen is the thaw?
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05:18:25EbErThopefully soon...
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05:22:31EbErTya, he asked when the thaw was
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05:22:57EbErTgah, i'm having trouble finding the rockbox daily build when i download it on mac
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05:23:40EbErTit just shows rockbox.ipod
05:24:34EbErT.rockbox won't show
05:24:44EbErTeven though i have hidden files exposed
05:26:25sharpeview the folder in a terminal?
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05:29:13EbErTcan u tell me how?
05:29:40EbErTdoesn't make sense that i can't see it, i can see .rockbox in on my ipod when its plugged to the computer
05:30:25sharpenot really, as i don't use a mac, but it should be visible in a terminal.
05:31:46EbErTits just unix codes
05:32:55EbErTi need to start knowing terminal commands :D
05:34:02RoC_MMyeah GUI is so 1990's
05:35:21sharpelike, totally.
05:36:31EbErThm, this "locate" command is pretty sweet
05:36:45EbErTappears it hasn't indexed where the file is yet tho
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05:37:49RoC_MMlocate shows where a program is that's in yuor path i think'
05:38:08RoC_MMtry find
05:38:15RoC_MMfind / (filename)
05:43:13EbErTthat would go through too many files tho
05:43:20EbErTi know what folder it is in
05:43:49ashridahRoC_MM: no, 'locate' searches a nightly-regenerated database of all files in the system
05:43:54ashridah'which' searches the path
05:45:00ashridahwhereis does a bit more searching.
05:51:15EbErTi tried ls (list command) to see what's in that folder, but terminal isn't showing the hidden files that way
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05:51:30EbErTsux being a terminal noobie :/
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05:53:52ashridahls -a
05:54:07ashridahbut files in a terminal are usually only 'hidden' if they start with .
05:54:15ashridah"." rather
05:57:38EbErTwhat's ls -a?
05:57:51EbErTyes, its ".rockbox", so its naturally hidden
05:58:16ashridahls -a shows files beginning with ".'
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06:07:02EbErTah! found why it didn't work
06:07:36EbErTonly 1 unzipper (not the default) will actually unzip it properly
06:07:51EbErTthe oldest version of stuffit expander
06:08:54EbErTnot 10.0, not 7.1, but 6.0
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06:09:20EbErTguess it has something to do with it being zipped by windows.. how lame
06:12:08EbErThow do you identify folder names with spaces in them?
06:12:26sharpeuse quotation marks...
06:12:35EbErTtried that
06:12:44sharpearound the whole path?
06:13:57EbErTah, i was doing something else wrong
06:14:08EbErTi dunno how you guys remember all this stuff heh
06:14:31EbErTunless its your job of course
06:15:10JdGordonlots of practice :p
06:15:22JdGordonyou can use the \ for spaces also
06:18:48EbErTcool, thx for your help guys :)
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06:30:01EbErTi dunno if the dynamic playlist works right, couldn't open it with itunes
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06:42:06ZenMasterJGso I just got rockbox today, and already love it. I giggled like a schoolgirl when I deleted itunes.
06:42:43ZenMasterJGbut i'm a developer, and so want to nose around the source code, but the CVS apparantly doesnt like me.. well, that or its going REALLLY slow
06:42:55ZenMasterJGnope, just timed out now, after like 10 minutes
06:43:02midkayretry, it's stopped working for me on a couple occasions.
06:43:26ZenMasterJGyeah, its done that twice to me now, sit for like 10 min then time out, which is pretty weird
06:43:35midkayindeed.. no firewalls or anything?
06:44:03dj-furockbox wins the leeto awards
06:44:33ZenMasterJGmidkay: firewall, yes, but it should be configured properly, as i haven't had CVS problems before
06:44:41midkaydunno then.
06:44:56ZenMasterJGyeah, odd
06:45:25ZenMasterJGgetting the source off will do me for now, since its gonna take me a while to figure out how everything works :)
06:45:56ZenMasterJGi'll just have to get CVS working before i start trying to break anything, heheh
06:46:05midkayhaha. yeah..
06:46:38RoC_MMwhat is CVS command?
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06:47:41ZenMasterJGRoC_MM: the command i'm using?
06:48:20RoC_MMI can grab CVS, zip it and then upload it to my webhosting acct if you want
06:49:09ZenMasterJGthe same as on the wiki: cvs -z3 co rockbock
06:49:36ZenMasterJGafter sending login first, obviously
06:50:25RoC_MMit is definately working for me
06:50:31ZenMasterJGRoC_MM: s'ok, i can just grab it off for now till i figure out what i'm screwing up, i dont need the absolute latest sources for anything, first i just need to learn my way around the code
06:50:47RoC_MMit's already grabbing
06:51:01RoC_MMit's over 30 megs
06:51:05RoC_MM ;-)
06:51:17RoC_MM42 megs
06:51:17ZenMasterJGguess i'll have to poke around my router/firewall to see if i've changed anything that would screw up cvs
06:51:19RoC_MMtake forever to upoad
06:51:33ZenMasterJGRoC_MM: heheh
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07:31:51finikanybody uses green5g theme with album art?
07:42:38biffherodo you mean "nudel green 5g" ?
07:42:53biffherooh, you mean "nudel green 5gAA"
07:47:02biffheroI am doing a tagcache update right now, so can't do much with it.
07:48:44EbErTha, does it work for you too?
07:48:51EbErTtagcache i mean
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07:54:43finikbiffhero: I mean the one from P.I.Julius, that depends on a couple of patches
07:55:04finiklike scroll margins, wider status bar etc
07:56:27finiknot nudel
07:56:28finik iPod Green5g
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08:57:23pussfellerI have a file called ?t*
08:57:28pussfellerin .rockbox
08:57:37pussfelleris this normal? I cant seem to get to my fonts
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09:11:51Ribspussfeller: That file is not present on my 5g ipod video
09:12:16pussfellerthere should be a folder called fonts tho, right?
09:12:47pussfelleri THINK that somehow it got renamed to that
09:12:48Ribsribs@aphrodite:/media/ipod/.rockbox$ ls
09:12:48Ribsbackdrops codepages eqs langs tagnavi.config viewers wps
09:12:48Ribscodecs docs fonts rocks themes viewers.config
09:12:50Ribsthat's what I have
09:13:12pussfelleranyways, theres no fonts in the dailys or the cvs for ipod photo
09:13:18pussfellerin the zips
09:13:30Ribswant me to send you mine?
09:13:49pussfelleri think they are all the same
09:15:07pussfellerthanks man
09:16:16RibsI hope it helps :)
09:16:20*Ribs gets a bath
09:19:34pussfellerit will thanks again
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09:49:55Bagderthere are daily font packages
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10:10:33JdGordonheeellpp... my house is getting over run with 16yr old girls :'(
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10:19:23MalnilionJdGordon, I'm sure a lot of guys in here would be willing to help you out in your time of need :P
10:20:45MalnilionI'm gonna assume you're significantly older than 16...
10:21:36JdGordonwell no, but older enough :p
10:22:02MalnilionYeah, see, because I'm 17, almost 18, and that prospect sounds more appealing to me than disturbing :P
10:22:36MalnilionIn your older, wiser, opinion...are they hot? lol
10:23:03JdGordonhell no
10:23:22MalnilionIn that case, I don't know if I can be of service to you...I'm sorry. lol
10:23:29JdGordonoh well
10:23:43JdGordonill hide up here then untill dinner :p
10:23:47JdGordonmmm BBQ :D
10:24:05MalnilionBe assertive, man, it's YOUR house too :)
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11:27:51RedBrevayipeeee! Finally got my PHP driven page working the way I wanted it to... Many Thanks to Bluebrother ;-)
11:28:24RedBrevaNow all I need is the time and energy to sort out all the zip files :(
11:29:46JdGordonv nice
11:31:18thePianoManlooks good
11:31:26thePianoManand a good way to browse through the WPS screens
11:32:05midkaylovely. :)
11:32:54RedBrevabest of all, verylittle mntc now it's built... it's just a case of dropping a png,a txt and a zip file into the correct folder... Wish I had looked at PHP years ago!!
11:33:45midkayawesome. :)
11:34:12Hansmaulwurflooks great
11:34:17thePianoMani would have done it with a database instead, but to each their own
11:34:25Hansmaulwurflooks a lot better to use
11:35:01RedBrevathePianoMan: hehehe, one step at a time.... V2 may be mysql based
11:35:19JdGordoncan ppl upload themes?
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11:35:46RedBrevaNot yet, but it's planned for v1.1 - I am in feature freeze atm :D
11:36:07Hansmaulwurfan info-line which font should be used would be good
11:36:08Hansmaulwurfi think
11:36:15thePianoManit's easy enough to do uploads to either file system or database
11:36:34thePianoManPHP is a great language
11:36:47RedBrevaWhat I would like to do is have uploads to a staging area, where I can actually check that they work correctly etc, before publishing...
11:37:04linuxstbRedBreva: Please don't add the complication of a database - keep it simple....
11:37:32*JdGordon agrees
11:37:51JdGordonwhy would u need a db if you can do everything with filenames anyway?
11:38:00thePianoManlinuxstb: but then you have to allow public writes to the file system... i guess you have to allow public writes to the database anyway
11:38:14RedBrevaOk, may have to find different project to play with mySQL and PHP ...
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11:38:52JdGordonif u wanna do php/mysql you can do the frontend for the Build-Your-Own-Rockbox page iv been thinking of doing
11:39:09JdGordonallowing users to compile their own version with custom patches on my server
11:39:35thePianoManJdGordon: sounds cool, but wouldn't that provide even less incentive for RB to come out of feature freeze?
11:40:00RedBrevaJdGordon: Interesting concept...
11:40:09midkayJdGordon, i've also considered that idea (of course i can't do it, but just the concept) - problem would be hunk fails and stuff though, how would you deal with that?
11:41:31dionoeaRedBreva: you need a rating/comments system too
11:41:42midkaydionoea, oh, that'd be quite nice indeed..
11:41:43dionoeathe site looks nice btw :)
11:41:54JdGordonmy idea is bassically, download the new daily source to a temp dir and then copy that source to a new folder, patch it with any patches the user wants, if it fails tell them it cant be done and fix the patch, if it works then email them witht the link
11:41:56RedBrevaAh, good point, and another feature for 1.1 ... - Thanks
11:42:16midkayJdGordon, sure, that works.. problem is that patches seem to fail often. ;)
11:42:38JdGordontrue.. but then whoever submitted it will have to fix it
11:42:45JdGordonif it fails once it gets deleted
11:43:01JdGordonsame thing if the compile fails
11:43:26JdGordonif noone has started this before the end of july (after exams) then im gonna work on it
11:43:33JdGordonreally dont have the time atm for it :p
11:43:37JdGordonend of june i mean
11:44:00midkaydunno. coolish idea, but makes me wonder just how useful it'll be.. instead of "how can i compile rockbox" we'll probably have "how can i use the patch-builder" and/or "the patch-builder says the patch is broken, what can i do?!?!?!"..
11:46:35thePianoManyou can always have an FAQ for the patch builder
11:52:28midkaydon't really see how that would solve things since (1) people never check FAQs, before *or* after they have a problem, and (2) if a patch fails, well, it fails. :)
11:53:23JdGordonwell, it wouldn't.
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11:53:54*JdGordon had a look @ the sansa e200 yesterday.. looks sweet, couldnt actually try it tho :p
11:54:12thePianoManI think a patch builder is really only useful at this time when there are people asking for more features during a feature freeze when features patches aren't being committed.
11:55:17thePianoManAnd there are bugs in Flyspray marked for 3.0 that are unconfirmed. Makes it pretty difficult to tell what is waiting to be done before 3.0 is released.
11:55:18JdGordonalso for things like the h300 optimized and ipod opitmized buiilds which were going around
11:57:22thePianoManJdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean by the optimised builds...
12:00:18JdGordonthere was a build going around mysticriver that had patches for the h300 that was being done every day
12:00:54thePianoManbut wouldn't those patches be added into the main source?
12:01:38JdGordonnot nescacerily
12:03:39thePianoManfair enough
12:06:28midkayworst spelling of "necessarily" i've ever seen. congrats JdGordon. :)
12:08:02JdGordonoh cmon... that was my best guess..
12:08:18JdGordonbtw, iv found myself trying to be a bit more readable because of you ppl!
12:08:30JdGordonexcept for a few notable exceptions..
12:08:42thePianoManI try to keep in mind that these logs are kept archived on the RB main page
12:08:57thePianoManOtherwise I wouldn't bother with capital letters or stuff like that
12:09:48midkayi only use capitals on forum posts or internet pages.. conversations remain lowercase for me. :) i do bother with spelling/grammar/punctuation though.
12:09:52midkayin my own weirdish way.
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13:55:27mongeyjust checking if i was connectedd 1251 unable to join #rockbox: registered only [+r]
13:55:57*mongey is trying to setup the cygwin
14:01:39mongeyk its installed
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14:02:21mongeydo i have to Add the cross-compiler directory to your path
14:07:23mongeyi cant find PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/sbin but i can find PATH=${HOME}/bin:${PATH}
14:11:37mongeywhere do i put the source?
14:11:56JdGordonwhich source? rb? anywhere you want
14:12:02JdGordonbut probably in your home dir
14:12:43mongeyD:\cygwin\home or D:\cygwin\home\Administrator
14:12:52mongeydoes it matter
14:13:06JdGordonnot really... put it in Administarator
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14:21:26mongeyhow do i compile?
14:22:01JdGordonmake a enw folder
14:22:07JdGordontype ../tools/configure
14:22:19JdGordonthe new folder must be under the rockbox-devel folder
14:23:12mongeyi dont have a rockbox folder
14:23:40JdGordonwhere did u put the source?
14:24:05JdGordonthe new folder goes in the same folder as the apps folder in the source tree
14:24:38mongeyD:\cygwin\home\Administrator\ <<thats where build apps and the rest are
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14:25:13JdGordonso put it there
14:25:23JdGordondid u get the sources from the zip or cvs?
14:25:36mongeyi think
14:26:18mongeyi got Latest under Source Archive
14:26:35mongeydo i call the folder rockbox?
14:26:58JdGordonu call it whatever u want.. generally its the name of the model your compiling for..
14:27:05JdGordonbut it makes no diff
14:27:31mongeyand do i put the source there?
14:28:29JdGordonthat folder is where the compiled stuff goes..
14:28:44JdGordonu just run make there.. leave all the sources in the apps folder above it
14:29:50mongeygot it
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14:33:35mongeyi got errors
14:36:21JdGordonjust run make
14:37:00Mikachuthe compiler looks unwell too
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14:37:29JdGordonye, your path isnt set
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14:42:10mongeyhow do i do that
14:42:27ranokon windows?
14:42:33ranokgoto Control Panel
14:42:33JdGordonexport PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
14:42:40ranokoh, nvm
14:43:34mongeyye windows
14:43:45JdGordonu need to set it in cygwin
14:43:46ranokon Control panel
14:43:46JdGordonnot windows
14:44:02ranoklisten to JdGordon, he knows what he's talking about
14:44:40mongeywhat first
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14:45:02JdGordon export PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
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14:45:34mongeywhere do i put that
14:45:50JdGordontype that in.. but u need to set the correct path
14:46:26JdGordonwhich looks like it could be /opt/m68k/bin
14:46:35JdGordonim not sure how cygwin does it
14:46:48JdGordonmake sure u follow the guide in the wiki for cygwin
14:47:37*mongey is confused
14:52:45PaulJamCan someone recommend me a software audioplayer for linux, that supports replaygain?
14:53:18JdGordonsdl rockbox :D
14:54:46PaulJamthank you kerb
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14:57:53mongeyi still cant get this
14:58:33mongeydevkit was easier :P
15:00:14mongeyJdGordon where do i put that
15:00:29JdGordonput what?
15:00:43mongeyexport PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
15:00:50JdGordonat the command prompt
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15:06:26MrShleeHas anything major happened to the H3X or codecs around the 07-06-2006 release?
15:06:45MrShleeI've been experiencing massive slowdown on a fresh 100song harddrive
15:06:59MrShleeI'll grab the newest daily build and compaire
15:07:47PaulJamwhat do you mean by "massive slowdown" ?
15:08:45MrShleeon-Selection of a mp3 or ogg −− The id3 tags are displayed. 0:00 time and no music
15:09:07MrShleesometimes it starts playing after a matter of seconds or I need to press the play button
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15:29:35MrShleeSecond thing: If I plug the 9V power into my unit −− It powers into the iriver firmware automatically :(
15:29:46MrShleein charging mode
15:30:03JdGordon.. as expected
15:30:12JdGordonand 9v is too high for the player iirc
15:30:27MrShleeThats expected?... good
15:30:30MrShlee5v sorry
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15:30:51JdGordonye, thats all ok
15:31:05JdGordonu need to start rb before pluggin in ac.
15:31:22JdGordonits a design feature incase u cant get back into iriverFW for whatever reason
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15:31:51MrShleeI'm happy with that
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15:32:46MrShleeTime to test this slowdown with daily build
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15:37:08MrShleeSeems to working fine better
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15:45:00proogi have a problem... i followed the installation instructions for the ipod video in linux. but at the chapter "installing the firmware" on page 14, i'm lost... what file shouldi extract to the ipod? and it only shows instructions for windows users! please help me!
15:45:32Mikachugo to the linux instructions instead
15:46:25proogi have followed the linux instructions all the way to "installing the firmware", but there is no linux instructions
15:47:29proogi dont really know what to do
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15:48:00Mikachuif there are no linux instructions, you are probably not following the linux instructions
15:48:33Mikachuthis is what you want to read,
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15:49:08proogoh, daily builds
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15:51:42proogwow, it works!!!
15:51:51proogthanks A LOT for your help, Mikachu
15:52:26proogbtw, you are not french, right?
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16:07:26proogomg rockbox is great!!
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16:13:38juxtapheh yeah, i'm liking it
16:14:05juxtapthe developers should get payed or something
16:15:45Mikachuthere is a donate link on the home page
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16:43:38pussfellerI'm loving it even better with those awsome new themes for Ipod Photo with a patch
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16:43:57pussfellerhow do you delete bookmarks on the ipod, I have no luck doing that
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16:44:14BHSPitMonkeycheck out the manual maybe?
16:44:22pussfellerfrom recent bookmarks
16:44:39pussfellerwell, you think it would be simple, since the bookmark view tells you how
16:44:48BHSPitMonkeyI've never used that function, so I don't really know
16:44:48pussfellerbut I can't seem to get the right buttons
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16:45:21BHSPitMonkeymaybe you can find a file in .rockbox that it saves that information to, and delete/modify it from your computer
16:45:38pussfelleryeah it makes a file
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16:50:03Paul_The_Nerdpussfeller: What does it tell you to press?
16:51:09pussfellerOn + play
16:51:18pussfelleron is the top
16:51:28pussfellerplay is the bottom!
16:51:36pussfellercant do both on an ipod
16:51:37Paul_The_Nerd"Play" usually means "Select" in those messages
16:51:43pussfellerthe button
16:52:32pussfellernot in this case, i dont think
16:52:48Paul_The_NerdWhy do you say that?
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16:53:57Paul_The_Nerdpussfeller: Okay, on iPods for some reason "Delete Bookmark" is the >>| button
16:54:28pussfellerexcellent, thanks!
16:54:30FebsPaul_The_Nerd, probably because that's the button that is used for stop, although stop generally requires a long press.
16:54:59Paul_The_NerdFebs: No, the "next track" button is what I was referring to.
16:55:11Paul_The_NerdWith the >>|
16:55:26FebsAh, I misread the >>|
16:55:39*Febs wonders what we have in the manual for that.
16:56:12pussfellerwell the info in the "recent bookmarks" screen could be updated
16:56:48FebsThere is an issue with the way those buttons are identified that doesn't (currently) allow the messages to be different for differnt platforms.
16:57:02Paul_The_NerdFebs: Actually, LangV2 is in, I think it's possible now
16:57:11Paul_The_NerdBut most people are busy working on things that relate to the release.
16:57:40Paul_The_NerdIf I recall there's a patch in the tracker to resolve the Play / Navi issue on the H100/H300 series in the LangV2 way
16:57:45FebsAs they should be. But I think that inaccurate button messages should be categoried as "bugs" that can be fixed for the release.
16:58:07pussfellerso all that stuffs hardcoded somewhere instead of their being another layer to "translate" to the build model?
16:58:20Paul_The_NerdFebs: Inaccurate button messages on Release Targets, sure. :)
16:58:58Paul_The_Nerdpussfeller: Actually, they're stored in a separate file so that Rockbox is easily available in multiple languages, but the original system didn't take into account the possibility that future Rockbox incarnations would be on devices with different buttons.
17:00:18pussfelleri wish I knew c... I wanna do something with audiobooks
17:00:43pussfellerlike what the Apple OS does with podcasts from itunes
17:02:04pussfellerlike anything tagged "audio books" or "podcasts" would automatically show up in a certain virtual folder and then autobookmark on leaving that file
17:03:48pussfelleror you could mark a specific dir as one to imlement for this behavior
17:04:08pussfellerthat would get around having to use tag cache
17:04:38pussfelleri guess i could just use autobookmark
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17:19:36ZenMasterJGis anyone else having problems with the cvs server? i can login as anonymous, but not check out... it just sits there until it times out and i have no idea why
17:22:29dionoeaworks fine here
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17:50:04dongsbooks? people read? omg.
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17:58:07Mikachuhooray for sokoban with touch events
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17:58:39dionoeatouch events ?
17:58:47dionoeawith ipods ?
17:59:34BHSPitMonkeyhow's that work
17:59:36dionoeais the patch in the tracker ?
17:59:39Mikachui guess what i did would go under the ugly hack category though
17:59:57dionoeaoh :)
18:00:08Mikachujust got it working
18:00:26dionoeabtw, does the rockbox api allow accessing touch wheel position from plugins ? or is that in a pending patch ?
18:00:44Mikachuthe api doesn't allow it even from the core as of now
18:00:51Mikachuit's only stored inside the button driver
18:01:11Mikachuwhen i say as of now, i mean it's always been this way
18:01:13dionoeaso you added some functions to access it ?
18:01:38Mikachulostlogic also had this idea, but it collides a bit with what plugins expect from the button driver
18:01:46Mikachuso i added a magic function that enables and disables the feature
18:01:49dionoeathey already have it in ipod linux
18:01:54dionoeaseems quite cool
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18:02:14Mikachuit sends an event when you touch the wheel, and an event when you let go
18:02:22Mikachuand sends the position inside the event too
18:02:32dionoeaand an event when you move ?
18:02:39Mikachuthat is what we already have
18:02:40BHSPitMonkeyhow does that apply with sudoku
18:02:47BHSPitMonkeyoh never mind
18:02:49Mikachui said sokoban :)
18:02:58Mikachubut it can be used in sudoku too
18:03:07dionoeaMikachu: well the current even only said left or right, not the position, right ?
18:03:32Mikachui was about to say i have the absolute position patch too that has been in the tracker forever
18:03:45Mikachuthat adds a function that simply exports the variable that keeps track of the wheel position
18:04:21dionoeaposition == angle ? or does it tell you exactly where you are (like near the center or on the outer side ?)
18:04:30Mikachuonly angle
18:04:34Mikachubetween 0 and 95
18:04:43Mikachuthat's how the wheel is built
18:05:11*dionoea was just dreaming about some kind of touchpad emulation
18:05:23Mikachuyou can only do circles, sorry :)
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18:05:53Mikachui guess if you want to emulate buttons on the wheel, you could do 8 at most, reliably
18:05:57Mikachuat least on the nano
18:06:10Mikachuthe video wheel is much bigger
18:06:24dionoeawell it doesn't look like you can put more than 8 here (video)
18:07:15dionoeayou have to code "tap" and "double tap" kind of events too now :D
18:07:22Mikachuthe actual buttons on the nano are quite firm, so it's not comfortable to press them so often as you do in a game
18:09:09dionoeado you have some patch i could have fun with ? :)
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18:48:42RibsWhat a nice man.
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19:07:42FWHITE10hey anyone on?
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19:11:59FWHITE10one of the devs seemed interested in feature request: FS #5379 about a month ago/ any way to see if there was any progress there or should I just wait till theres a post on that thread?
19:12:28FWHITE10seems pretty buried in the feat reqs by now.. not sure if anyone will even notice it now
19:14:21dionoeawell i won't be able to help you :) But since rockbox is in a feature freeze period, no patches are being merged into CVS ...
19:14:28dionoea(except bug fixes)
19:16:03FWHITE10oh i just learned how to apply patches so that wouldent be a prob, its just that its easier for me to pass a kidney stone at gunpoint than code C so without the help of a dev i guess ill just wait till someone else needs the feature
19:17:29dionoeai guess that it'll make it into rockbox one day :) (since it does sound logical)
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20:21:00whatboutbobpetur: ping
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20:23:28peturwhatboutbob: figuring out why the my gain protection froze recording brought up 2 small issues, and lots of testing
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20:26:27peturaha, that's why....
20:26:50peturvery funny
20:27:02petur<whatboutbob>petur: ping
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20:52:59whatboutbobgot it.
20:53:19whatboutbobman...mega lag...
20:53:26whatboutbobdon't think i'll bother.
20:53:32whatboutbobpetur: hope you're having fun.
20:54:35whatboutbobgah...i blame the world cup. Its all Angola's fault.
20:55:47peturwhatboutbob: get an irc client and try to log onto some servers until you find one with less lag?
20:56:47peturI don't care about football, but if it would degrade my net connection I would start to hate it
20:58:32whatboutbobpetur: PM me if you need any help testing.
20:58:57peturnah, it's ok... got everything I need now ;)
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21:18:42mikearthurwhats the xobox game based off? its addictive and I want something similar for my pc
21:18:59midkayqix (aka xonix).
21:19:14mikearthurnice cheers
21:19:21midkaynp :)
21:22:24mikearthuryou know of any linux versions?
21:22:44mikearthurjust xonix
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21:28:08dionoeaxonix seems to exist on debian
21:28:37dionoeabut it's broken :/
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21:59:06sharpewow, i'm bored enough to actually get a web browser working on my palm pilot...
21:59:13bluebrotherRedBreva, how's it going with your themes page? I saw you made some adjustments ...
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22:32:51FWHITE10anytime i update or make a special patched build and update with that, should i remove .rockbox dir and rockbox.ipod or just overwrite them
22:33:30FWHITE10i figure the latter way wont remove my settings
22:33:43FWHITE10but not sure if it would damage code
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22:36:50FWHITE10figured thanks =D
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22:39:08RedBrevaHi bluebrother ... Got my PHP for beginers book, and managed to rework the initial index page to how I like it - thanks for the initial work, couldn't have done it without you...
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22:40:46bluebrothernice to hear. The page starts getting even better ;-)
22:41:18RedBrevastill a few minor tweaks to ensure the HTML validates, and at the present the 'notes' line from the theme.txt file is screwing up the layout (See the H140 page), not too sure why atm...
22:43:59bluebrotheryou mean screwing up in therms of getting the table cells too wide?
22:45:50bluebrotheryou could fix that by setting the table width to a fixed with, or centering the screenshots.
22:46:10RedBreva & are the current versions...
22:46:43RedBrevaYes, I know the column count & width, so no reason not to set an absolute width...
22:47:06RedBrevaonce, again, I am in you debt...
22:47:13RedBrevayou = your
22:47:17dionoeaRedBreva: you could try .phps instead of .txt - apache (if correctly configured) does syntax coloration on those
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22:49:29RedBrevadionoea: Just tried that, doesn't seem to work :( not for me at least
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22:50:19bluebrotherRedBreva, the problem is that the table will be resized to fit the screen viewport if it's possible. Thus text lines that could be printed longer will get more space.
22:51:17bluebrotherso you could fix the width of your table cells accordingly, which will do the trick. Easiest would be width:130px; in the css file (for h1xx only of course)
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23:00:39MoosHello here !
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23:02:23JordanGso i've hosed something... which .cfg file in .rockbox does it load by default on boot?? config01.cfg?
23:02:45JordanGfor some reason i've changed somthing and am getting black text on a black backgroud now...
23:02:50bluebrotherJordanG, none. The settings are saved in a special block on hd.
23:03:14bluebrotheryou can clear the settings with the bootloader. Hold rec on iriver devices.
23:03:25JordanGi'm on the ipod video
23:03:46bluebrotherCan't tell you the key for other typed. I think it was something like switching on hold during bootloader run.
23:03:48JordanGthats mildly annoying behavior, if it doesnt find that file you think there would be a default
23:04:43amiconnThere is no file. It's a special sector on disk, and yes there is a default
23:05:06amiconnYou can reset settings on ipod by switching on 'hold' immediately after powering on
23:05:20JordanGawesome, thanks
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23:11:33RedBrevabluebrother: W00T! Ok, a little more work to do on the centring etc, but that works... The table and cell size are calculated dynamically
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23:12:29midkayooh. :)
23:12:45XavierGrhehe I just installed windows Vista beta 2
23:12:57XavierGrBut this isn't funny...
23:13:03RedBrevabest of luck with that XavierGr ...
23:13:19XavierGrI've got a 3.0 ghz pentium and this OS lags as hell.
23:13:25midkayXavierGr, installed it a few days ago..
23:13:29XavierGrIt can't even play music without skipping
23:13:36midkaytrue, it's half-a-year from being done, lots of optimization to do..
23:13:38XavierGrit is like rockbox on iPod :P
23:13:38RedBrevaI just HATE it! have been using it on/off for several months on a couple of PC's and really don't like it
23:13:41midkay.. but it's not that slow :)
23:13:52midkayRedBreva, nobody forcing you to update, i hope. :)
23:14:01XavierGrI must admit that it is sleek though
23:14:04bluebrotherRedBreva, should work if you enlage the <div> holding the title to enclose also the image link
23:14:06RedBrevaNo, just playing, as you do
23:14:14XavierGrbut I can't use it. It a pain in the ass.
23:14:24midkayRedBreva, like what do you hate? some things are different and take some getting used to, but i think once i do they'll be very useful..
23:14:31*bluebrother isn't interested in the latest MS-Stuff at all
23:14:37midkayXavierGr, so don't.. it's a preview, not really official. :)
23:15:04XavierGrI was a little strange about it and my new 320gb hard drive arrived so I gave it a try.
23:15:22XavierGrBut I am sure I won't use it for more than 1 hour.
23:15:37XavierGrstrange = weird
23:15:38RedBrevaVista => XP is like Apple/iTunes => Rockbox... very pretty, but it's just toooo hand-holdy.. (Made up word)
23:15:46midkaysame, i don't want to switch until it's out.. it is a little buggy/laggy, but i like it otherwise.
23:16:18XavierGrWell my major concern right now is to get free from MS.
23:16:24XavierGrI want to convert to linux.
23:16:30XavierGrBut I am failing to do that.
23:16:40bluebrotherXavierGr, why?
23:16:41XavierGrToo much software dependant
23:16:57bluebrotherhmm, ok. That can be a real problem.
23:17:08midkayXavierGr, same here.. games+apps i use every day.. too many incompatibilities. not that i think i'd switch if i didn't have such trouble..
23:17:22bluebrotherfor my personal stuff I found replacements for nearly all ... except games :)
23:17:53XavierGrGames is not a problem for me... though some programs in Windows are irreplacable.
23:18:49XavierGrnot to mention these silly confirmation dialogs once in a while....
23:18:57XavierGrdo you want to do that?
23:19:00XavierGrare you sure?
23:19:06bluebrotherI found most "home" users don't have any programs that could be replaced. When using special purpose software this doesn't apply anymore, of course.
23:19:08midkayXavierGr, haha. yeah. disablable though..
23:19:49XavierGrWell, windows XP has those damn wizards.
23:19:57XavierGrI really hate them....
23:21:06*petur has many reasons for sticking with w2k - less wizards is one of them
23:21:27XavierGrAlso linux will be a problem for me in the Hardware aspect. I can't make my printer to work. Not to mention the HID devices.
23:22:53XavierGrhmm I think I know why Vista is so damn slow. All window captions are transparent. XO
23:23:06midkayjust noticing this? :)
23:23:21XavierGrehm, yes and many others too.
23:23:28bluebrotheris your printer that uncommon? USB is working flawlessly for me on linux.
23:23:31midkayone of the major new features... hardware-accellerated transparency/scaling/fading..
23:23:38peturI don't know why everybody wants that transparent sh*t
23:23:41midkaycertainly a major cause of slowdown.
23:23:50midkaypetur, it looks nice. :)
23:23:56peturno it does not
23:24:03bluebrotherbecause the graphics card gets bored otherwise? *g*
23:24:06XavierGrwell it seems nice at least at start.
23:24:11midkaypetur, then, uncheck the box that enables it.
23:24:26midkayclearly it's an opinion..
23:24:47peturwasted programmers resources it is
23:25:06midkaythat's also an opinion. :)
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23:26:04peturamiconn: around?
23:26:22_per_how can i install instruments so i can open midi files with midiplay??
23:27:11*petur swears at audacity
23:27:49XavierGrwell I think I am done with windows Vista.
23:28:22bluebrother_per_, on linux or on rockbox?
23:28:23XavierGror as we say in greek sVista (delete them)
23:28:33_per_bluebrother: rockbox
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23:28:56bluebrotheryou need to grab a patchset archive and extract it.
23:29:06XavierGrI just hope that it didn't destroy my other Windows XP installation.
23:29:06_per_where from??
23:29:10XavierGrThat would make me mad....
23:29:16XavierGrok have to reboot now
23:29:23bluebrothersee this task:
23:29:51EbErT"this is windows, please reboot because you have changed something"
23:29:51 Quit XavierGr ("Watch anime, saiyu sen jiko yo!")
23:30:00bluebrotheryou need to extract it below your .rockbox folder
23:30:29_per_thanks bluebrother, i'll try that
23:30:55_per_omg! 21,9 mb!!
23:31:13_per_oh well, 5 minutes, what the hell...
23:31:14EbErTyep, heh
23:31:31EbErTlotsa games for some reason
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23:34:24XavierGrok that was fun for a moment
23:34:42XavierGrnow back on my 20 seconds boot and preferences
23:34:51XavierGrI am not a sleek freak. :)
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23:39:12webguest99Can someone help me
23:40:49*webguest99 farts
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23:42:41Jon23266whats up
23:43:13 Part _per_
23:43:40Jon23266can someone help me
23:44:05DrMoosjust ask
23:44:25Jon23266How would i go about making my own rockbox type app for the ipod
23:44:58Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean exactly?
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23:45:40Jon23266 like i want to know how to make somthing like that
23:45:59Paul_The_NerdSimilar to Rockbox? Well, it's open source, so you could just modify it to suit your needs.
23:46:10Jon23266Hmm what tools would i need paul?
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23:47:07Paul_The_NerdHave you tried compiling Rockbox before?
23:47:17Jon23266No i think i need a C compiler
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23:47:33Jon23266is there a program like visual basic but its C... so like visual C
23:48:02Paul_The_NerdWell, most people use GCC set upt to cross-compile for the ARM processors in iPods
23:48:15Paul_The_NerdIf you go to the Rockbox webpage, and search for the SimpleGuideToCompiling you can find basic instructions.
23:48:24Jon23266hey i have another question
23:48:47Jon23266is there any other way to load rockbox on an ipod besides using the bootloader2 from iPod Linux people
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23:48:52Jon23266cause i think its the only way?
23:48:58DarkJesusWhat tag format does ogg use?
23:49:17markunDarkJesus: it's called 'vorbis comments'
23:49:34DarkJesusEr, do you use dbpoweramp?
23:49:45Jon23266Paul do you have AIM or MSN
23:49:49DarkJesusWell, vorbis comments isn't here
23:50:02DarkJesusOnly id3 and ape
23:50:29markunit's neither of them
23:50:29Paul_The_NerdJon23266: You can also use the Rockbox bootloader, which was the original way.
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23:50:48Paul_The_NerdI assume you haven't read the official installation instructions even, then.
23:50:53Jon23266Well Paul your cool do you have AIM or MSN
23:51:04Paul_The_NerdI don't give up personal contact details.
23:51:16 Quit bluebrother ("Verlassend")
23:51:21Jon23266ill let you IM me?
23:51:41Paul_The_NerdI do not give support by IM at all.
23:51:45Paul_The_NerdHere, or in the forums, that's it.
23:52:07EbErTdown with im :)
23:52:19Paul_The_NerdI use IM plenty, but only for personal communications. Friends and such.
23:53:21Papricachopper at rockbox =]
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23:54:33Mikachui have to say i am quite impressed by the star plugin now
23:54:45MikachuPaprica: nice :)
23:55:26Papricajust more little work and it will be ready
23:55:43midkayPaprica, also me, looks very cool. :)
23:55:45amiconnpetur: Ooops, didn't notice earlier...
23:55:52Jon23266can someone help me make my own rockbox type app
23:55:55midkayglad to catch you around, Paprica. i wanted to talk to you about the brickmania bitmaps..
23:55:58peturamiconn: nevermind
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23:56:24Papricamm :)
23:56:26midkayyou may have noticed i've suggested a few on the forums.. nothing really decisive is happening. i wanted to ask if you had larger versions of the current ones.
23:57:33Jon23266 Can someone help me make and comple my own rockbox type OS for my ipod nano?
23:57:33peturamiconn: I'm seeing occasional glitches recording without touching anything. Not always so not easy to test. the glitch is that a bunch of samples go missing, mostly at the very start (first seconds) of the recording
23:57:43MikachuJon23266: no
23:57:58Jon23266Uhm someone besides Mikachu
23:58:03peturamiconn: but I've run out of time now....
23:58:15Jon23266if your gonna say no then you misewell not say anything
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23:58:36Mikachuapparently not, since you asked three times now

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