#rockbox 2006-06-11

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#rockbox log for 2006-06-11

00:00:12	larryone	just found it, thanks
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00:03:57	tucoz	for nothing
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01:15:47	BoD[]	Hi!
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01:18:39	Malnilion	Grrr, when was the last time anybody got the scrolling margins patch to work and what source code were you using?
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01:21:55	BoD[]	anybody know about ipod vs windows xp problems
01:22:05	BoD[]	like explorer freezing ...
01:22:38	*	dionoea raises his hand
01:22:50	dionoea	it freezes for like 20 seconds ?
01:22:53	BoD[]	ahhhh
01:22:59	BoD[]	well :( more than that
01:23:27	BoD[]	it freezes .. nothing happens, can't do anything... as soon as I unplug the ipod it unfreezes
01:23:42	dionoea	weird
01:24:19	BoD[]	does windows need some special drivers ? should be an "standard" usb mass storage right ?
01:24:27	dionoea	i guess so
01:24:42	BoD[]	:(
01:24:55	dionoea	the good thing is that it works fine under linux :)
01:25:03	BoD[]	hmm
01:25:13	BoD[]	but i don't have linux here
01:25:17	BoD[]	of courz
01:26:47	dionoea	good night
01:27:01	BoD[]	bye
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01:28:34	midkay	bod!
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05:08:31	RoC_MM	when is the thaw?
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05:18:25	EbErT	hopefully soon...
05:20:58	sharpe	frozen?
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05:22:31	EbErT	ya, he asked when the thaw was
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05:22:57	EbErT	gah, i'm having trouble finding the rockbox daily build when i download it on mac
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05:23:40	EbErT	it just shows rockbox.ipod
05:24:34	EbErT	.rockbox won't show
05:24:44	EbErT	even though i have hidden files exposed
05:26:25	sharpe	view the folder in a terminal?
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05:29:13	EbErT	can u tell me how?
05:29:40	EbErT	doesn't make sense that i can't see it, i can see .rockbox in on my ipod when its plugged to the computer
05:30:25	sharpe	not really, as i don't use a mac, but it should be visible in a terminal.
05:31:42	EbErT	right
05:31:46	EbErT	its just unix codes
05:31:52	EbErT	*code
05:32:35	sharpe	:)
05:32:55	EbErT	i need to start knowing terminal commands :D
05:34:02	RoC_MM	yeah GUI is so 1990's
05:35:21	sharpe	like, totally.
05:36:31	EbErT	hm, this "locate" command is pretty sweet
05:36:45	EbErT	appears it hasn't indexed where the file is yet tho
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05:37:49	RoC_MM	locate shows where a program is that's in yuor path i think'
05:38:05	RoC_MM	right?
05:38:08	RoC_MM	try find
05:38:15	RoC_MM	find / (filename)
05:43:13	EbErT	that would go through too many files tho
05:43:20	EbErT	i know what folder it is in
05:43:49	ashridah	RoC_MM: no, 'locate' searches a nightly-regenerated database of all files in the system
05:43:54	ashridah	'which' searches the path
05:44:01	EbErT	right
05:44:31	RoC_MM	kk
05:45:00	ashridah	whereis does a bit more searching.
05:51:15	EbErT	i tried ls (list command) to see what's in that folder, but terminal isn't showing the hidden files that way
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05:51:30	EbErT	sux being a terminal noobie :/
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05:53:52	ashridah	ls -a
05:54:07	ashridah	but files in a terminal are usually only 'hidden' if they start with .
05:54:15	ashridah	"." rather
05:57:38	EbErT	what's ls -a?
05:57:51	EbErT	yes, its ".rockbox", so its naturally hidden
05:58:16	ashridah	ls -a shows files beginning with ".'
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06:07:02	EbErT	ah! found why it didn't work
06:07:36	EbErT	only 1 unzipper (not the default) will actually unzip it properly
06:07:51	EbErT	the oldest version of stuffit expander
06:08:54	EbErT	not 10.0, not 7.1, but 6.0
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06:09:20	EbErT	guess it has something to do with it being zipped by windows.. how lame
06:12:08	EbErT	how do you identify folder names with spaces in them?
06:12:26	sharpe	use quotation marks...
06:12:35	EbErT	tried that
06:12:44	sharpe	around the whole path?
06:13:57	EbErT	ah, i was doing something else wrong
06:14:08	EbErT	i dunno how you guys remember all this stuff heh
06:14:31	EbErT	unless its your job of course
06:15:10	JdGordon	lots of practice :p
06:15:22	JdGordon	you can use the \ for spaces also
06:18:48	EbErT	cool, thx for your help guys :)
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06:30:01	EbErT	i dunno if the dynamic playlist works right, couldn't open it with itunes
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06:42:06	ZenMasterJG	so I just got rockbox today, and already love it. I giggled like a schoolgirl when I deleted itunes.
06:42:19	midkay	haha.
06:42:43	ZenMasterJG	but i'm a developer, and so want to nose around the source code, but the CVS apparantly doesnt like me.. well, that or its going REALLLY slow
06:42:55	ZenMasterJG	nope, just timed out now, after like 10 minutes
06:42:56	ZenMasterJG	grr
06:43:02	midkay	retry, it's stopped working for me on a couple occasions.
06:43:26	ZenMasterJG	yeah, its done that twice to me now, sit for like 10 min then time out, which is pretty weird
06:43:35	midkay	indeed.. no firewalls or anything?
06:44:03	dj-fu	rockbox wins the leeto awards
06:44:33	ZenMasterJG	midkay: firewall, yes, but it should be configured properly, as i haven't had CVS problems before
06:44:41	midkay	dunno then.
06:44:56	ZenMasterJG	yeah, odd
06:45:25	ZenMasterJG	getting the source off rockbox.org will do me for now, since its gonna take me a while to figure out how everything works :)
06:45:42	midkay	:)
06:45:56	ZenMasterJG	i'll just have to get CVS working before i start trying to break anything, heheh
06:46:05	midkay	haha. yeah..
06:46:38	RoC_MM	what is CVS command?
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06:47:41	ZenMasterJG	RoC_MM: the command i'm using?
06:48:06	RoC_MM	yes
06:48:20	RoC_MM	I can grab CVS, zip it and then upload it to my webhosting acct if you want
06:49:09	ZenMasterJG	the same as on the wiki: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbock
06:49:15	ZenMasterJG	ack
06:49:21	ZenMasterJG	s/rockbock/rockbox/
06:49:36	ZenMasterJG	after sending login first, obviously
06:50:25	RoC_MM	it is definately working for me
06:50:31	ZenMasterJG	RoC_MM: s'ok, i can just grab it off rockbox.org for now till i figure out what i'm screwing up, i dont need the absolute latest sources for anything, first i just need to learn my way around the code
06:50:43	RoC_MM	sure?
06:50:47	RoC_MM	it's already grabbing
06:50:54	ZenMasterJG	hmm
06:50:59	RoC_MM	wait
06:51:01	RoC_MM	it's over 30 megs
06:51:02	RoC_MM	nm
06:51:05	RoC_MM	;-)
06:51:17	RoC_MM	42 megs
06:51:17	ZenMasterJG	guess i'll have to poke around my router/firewall to see if i've changed anything that would screw up cvs
06:51:19	RoC_MM	take forever to upoad
06:51:33	ZenMasterJG	RoC_MM: heheh
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07:31:51	finik	anybody uses green5g theme with album art?
07:42:38	biffhero	do you mean "nudel green 5g" ?
07:42:53	biffhero	oh, you mean "nudel green 5gAA"
07:47:02	biffhero	I am doing a tagcache update right now, so can't do much with it.
07:48:44	EbErT	ha, does it work for you too?
07:48:51	EbErT	tagcache i mean
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07:54:43	finik	biffhero: I mean the one from P.I.Julius, that depends on a couple of patches
07:55:04	finik	like scroll margins, wider status bar etc
07:56:27	finik	not nudel
07:56:28	finik	iPod Green5g
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08:57:23	pussfeller	I have a file called ?t*
08:57:28	pussfeller	in .rockbox
08:57:37	pussfeller	is this normal? I cant seem to get to my fonts
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09:11:51	Ribs	pussfeller: That file is not present on my 5g ipod video
09:12:16	pussfeller	there should be a folder called fonts tho, right?
09:12:21	Ribs	yes
09:12:32	pussfeller	ah
09:12:47	pussfeller	i THINK that somehow it got renamed to that
09:12:48	Ribs	ribs@aphrodite:/media/ipod/.rockbox$ ls
09:12:48	Ribs	backdrops codepages eqs langs tagnavi.config viewers wps
09:12:48	Ribs	codecs docs fonts rocks themes viewers.config
09:12:48	pussfeller	maybe
09:12:50	Ribs	that's what I have
09:13:12	pussfeller	anyways, theres no fonts in the dailys or the cvs for ipod photo
09:13:18	pussfeller	in the zips
09:13:30	Ribs	want me to send you mine?
09:13:37	pussfeller	sure
09:13:49	pussfeller	i think they are all the same
09:15:07	pussfeller	thanks man
09:16:16	Ribs	I hope it helps :)
09:16:20	*	Ribs gets a bath
09:19:34	pussfeller	it will thanks again
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09:49:55	Bagder	there are daily font packages
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10:10:33	JdGordon	heeellpp... my house is getting over run with 16yr old girls :'(
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10:19:23	Malnilion	JdGordon, I'm sure a lot of guys in here would be willing to help you out in your time of need :P
10:19:46	JdGordon	hehe
10:20:45	Malnilion	I'm gonna assume you're significantly older than 16...
10:21:20	JdGordon	yup
10:21:36	JdGordon	well no, but older enough :p
10:22:02	Malnilion	Yeah, see, because I'm 17, almost 18, and that prospect sounds more appealing to me than disturbing :P
10:22:36	Malnilion	In your older, wiser, opinion...are they hot? lol
10:23:03	JdGordon	hell no
10:23:22	Malnilion	In that case, I don't know if I can be of service to you...I'm sorry. lol
10:23:29	JdGordon	oh well
10:23:43	JdGordon	ill hide up here then untill dinner :p
10:23:47	JdGordon	mmm BBQ :D
10:24:05	Malnilion	Be assertive, man, it's YOUR house too :)
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11:27:51	RedBreva	yipeeee! Finally got my PHP driven page working the way I wanted it to... Many Thanks to Bluebrother ;-)
11:27:55	RedBreva	http://www.rockbox-themes.org/
11:28:24	RedBreva	Now all I need is the time and energy to sort out all the zip files :(
11:29:46	JdGordon	v nice
11:31:18	thePianoMan	looks good
11:31:26	thePianoMan	and a good way to browse through the WPS screens
11:32:05	midkay	lovely. :)
11:32:54	RedBreva	best of all, verylittle mntc now it's built... it's just a case of dropping a png,a txt and a zip file into the correct folder... Wish I had looked at PHP years ago!!
11:33:45	midkay	awesome. :)
11:34:12	Hansmaulwurf	looks great
11:34:17	thePianoMan	i would have done it with a database instead, but to each their own
11:34:25	Hansmaulwurf	looks a lot better to use
11:35:01	RedBreva	thePianoMan: hehehe, one step at a time.... V2 may be mysql based
11:35:19	JdGordon	can ppl upload themes?
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11:35:46	RedBreva	Not yet, but it's planned for v1.1 - I am in feature freeze atm :D
11:35:51	JdGordon	ha
11:36:07	Hansmaulwurf	an info-line which font should be used would be good
11:36:08	Hansmaulwurf	i think
11:36:15	thePianoMan	it's easy enough to do uploads to either file system or database
11:36:34	thePianoMan	PHP is a great language
11:36:47	RedBreva	What I would like to do is have uploads to a staging area, where I can actually check that they work correctly etc, before publishing...
11:37:04	linuxstb	RedBreva: Please don't add the complication of a database - keep it simple....
11:37:32	*	JdGordon agrees
11:37:51	JdGordon	why would u need a db if you can do everything with filenames anyway?
11:38:00	thePianoMan	linuxstb: but then you have to allow public writes to the file system... i guess you have to allow public writes to the database anyway
11:38:14	RedBreva	Ok, may have to find different project to play with mySQL and PHP ...
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11:38:52	JdGordon	if u wanna do php/mysql you can do the frontend for the Build-Your-Own-Rockbox page iv been thinking of doing
11:39:09	JdGordon	allowing users to compile their own version with custom patches on my server
11:39:35	thePianoMan	JdGordon: sounds cool, but wouldn't that provide even less incentive for RB to come out of feature freeze?
11:39:49	JdGordon	no?
11:40:00	RedBreva	JdGordon: Interesting concept...
11:40:09	midkay	JdGordon, i've also considered that idea (of course i can't do it, but just the concept) - problem would be hunk fails and stuff though, how would you deal with that?
11:41:31	dionoea	RedBreva: you need a rating/comments system too
11:41:42	midkay	dionoea, oh, that'd be quite nice indeed..
11:41:43	dionoea	the site looks nice btw :)
11:41:54	JdGordon	my idea is bassically, download the new daily source to a temp dir and then copy that source to a new folder, patch it with any patches the user wants, if it fails tell them it cant be done and fix the patch, if it works then email them witht the link
11:41:56	RedBreva	Ah, good point, and another feature for 1.1 ... - Thanks
11:42:16	midkay	JdGordon, sure, that works.. problem is that patches seem to fail often. ;)
11:42:38	JdGordon	true.. but then whoever submitted it will have to fix it
11:42:45	JdGordon	if it fails once it gets deleted
11:43:01	JdGordon	same thing if the compile fails
11:43:04	midkay	hm..
11:43:26	JdGordon	if noone has started this before the end of july (after exams) then im gonna work on it
11:43:33	JdGordon	really dont have the time atm for it :p
11:43:37	JdGordon	end of june i mean
11:44:00	midkay	dunno. coolish idea, but makes me wonder just how useful it'll be.. instead of "how can i compile rockbox" we'll probably have "how can i use the patch-builder" and/or "the patch-builder says the patch is broken, what can i do?!?!?!"..
11:46:35	thePianoMan	you can always have an FAQ for the patch builder
11:52:28	midkay	don't really see how that would solve things since (1) people never check FAQs, before or after they have a problem, and (2) if a patch fails, well, it fails. :)
11:53:23	JdGordon	well, it wouldn't.
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11:53:54	*	JdGordon had a look @ the sansa e200 yesterday.. looks sweet, couldnt actually try it tho :p
11:54:12	thePianoMan	I think a patch builder is really only useful at this time when there are people asking for more features during a feature freeze when features patches aren't being committed.
11:55:17	thePianoMan	And there are bugs in Flyspray marked for 3.0 that are unconfirmed. Makes it pretty difficult to tell what is waiting to be done before 3.0 is released.
11:55:18	JdGordon	also for things like the h300 optimized and ipod opitmized buiilds which were going around
11:57:22	thePianoMan	JdGordon: I'm not sure what you mean by the optimised builds...
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12:00:18	JdGordon	there was a build going around mysticriver that had patches for the h300 that was being done every day
12:00:54	thePianoMan	but wouldn't those patches be added into the main source?
12:01:38	JdGordon	not nescacerily
12:03:39	thePianoMan	fair enough
12:06:16	midkay	haha.
12:06:28	midkay	worst spelling of "necessarily" i've ever seen. congrats JdGordon. :)
12:08:02	JdGordon	oh cmon... that was my best guess..
12:08:18	JdGordon	btw, iv found myself trying to be a bit more readable because of you ppl!
12:08:30	JdGordon	except for a few notable exceptions..
12:08:42	thePianoMan	I try to keep in mind that these logs are kept archived on the RB main page
12:08:57	thePianoMan	Otherwise I wouldn't bother with capital letters or stuff like that
12:09:48	midkay	i only use capitals on forum posts or internet pages.. conversations remain lowercase for me. :) i do bother with spelling/grammar/punctuation though.
12:09:52	midkay	in my own weirdish way.
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13:54:13	mongey	hi
13:55:06	JdGordon	hi
13:55:27	mongey	just checking if i was connectedd 1251 unable to join #rockbox: registered only [+r]
13:55:33	mongey	:P
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14:01:39	mongey	k its installed
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14:02:21	mongey	do i have to Add the cross-compiler directory to your path
14:02:27	JdGordon	yes
14:07:23	mongey	i cant find PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/sbin but i can find PATH=${HOME}/bin:${PATH}
14:10:22	JdGordon	?
14:10:49	mongey	nvm
14:11:37	mongey	where do i put the source?
14:11:56	JdGordon	which source? rb? anywhere you want
14:12:02	JdGordon	but probably in your home dir
14:12:43	mongey	D:\cygwin\home or D:\cygwin\home\Administrator
14:12:52	mongey	does it matter
14:13:06	JdGordon	not really... put it in Administarator
14:13:13	mongey	kk
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14:21:26	mongey	how do i compile?
14:22:01	JdGordon	make a enw folder
14:22:07	JdGordon	type ../tools/configure
14:22:09	JdGordon	make
14:22:19	JdGordon	the new folder must be under the rockbox-devel folder
14:23:12	mongey	i dont have a rockbox folder
14:23:40	JdGordon	where did u put the source?
14:24:05	JdGordon	the new folder goes in the same folder as the apps folder in the source tree
14:24:38	mongey	D:\cygwin\home\Administrator\ <<thats where build apps and the rest are
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14:25:13	JdGordon	so put it there
14:25:23	JdGordon	did u get the sources from the zip or cvs?
14:25:31	mongey	cvs
14:25:36	mongey	i think
14:25:41	JdGordon	ok
14:26:18	mongey	i got Latest under Source Archive
14:26:35	mongey	do i call the folder rockbox?
14:26:58	JdGordon	u call it whatever u want.. generally its the name of the model your compiling for..
14:27:05	JdGordon	but it makes no diff
14:27:23	mongey	ok
14:27:31	mongey	and do i put the source there?
14:28:10	JdGordon	no
14:28:29	JdGordon	that folder is where the compiled stuff goes..
14:28:44	JdGordon	u just run make there.. leave all the sources in the apps folder above it
14:29:39	mongey	kk
14:29:50	mongey	got it
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14:33:31	mongey	argh
14:33:35	mongey	i got errors
14:35:31	mongey	http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5220/untitled13rb1.jpg
14:36:21	JdGordon	just run make
14:37:00	Mikachu	the compiler looks unwell too
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14:37:29	JdGordon	ye, your path isnt set
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14:42:10	mongey	how do i do that
14:42:27	ranok	on windows?
14:42:33	ranok	goto Control Panel
14:42:33	JdGordon	export PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
14:42:40	ranok	oh, nvm
14:43:34	mongey	ye windows
14:43:45	JdGordon	u need to set it in cygwin
14:43:46	ranok	on Control panel
14:43:46	JdGordon	not windows
14:43:48	ranok	oh
14:43:55	mongey	ok
14:44:02	ranok	listen to JdGordon, he knows what he's talking about
14:44:31	mongey	ok
14:44:40	mongey	what first
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14:45:02	JdGordon	export PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
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14:45:34	mongey	where do i put that
14:45:50	JdGordon	type that in.. but u need to set the correct path
14:46:26	JdGordon	which looks like it could be /opt/m68k/bin
14:46:35	JdGordon	im not sure how cygwin does it
14:46:48	JdGordon	make sure u follow the guide in the wiki for cygwin
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14:52:45	PaulJam	Can someone recommend me a software audioplayer for linux, that supports replaygain?
14:53:18	JdGordon	sdl rockbox :D
14:53:55	kerb	PaulJam: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Replaygain#Linux
14:54:46	PaulJam	thank you kerb
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14:57:53	mongey	i still cant get this
14:58:33	mongey	devkit was easier :P
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15:00:14	mongey	JdGordon where do i put that
15:00:29	JdGordon	put what?
15:00:43	mongey	export PATH=$PATH:<where-ever the compiler is>/bin
15:00:50	JdGordon	at the command prompt
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15:06:26	MrShlee	Has anything major happened to the H3X or codecs around the 07-06-2006 release?
15:06:45	MrShlee	I've been experiencing massive slowdown on a fresh 100song harddrive
15:06:59	MrShlee	I'll grab the newest daily build and compaire
15:07:47	PaulJam	what do you mean by "massive slowdown" ?
15:08:45	MrShlee	on-Selection of a mp3 or ogg −− The id3 tags are displayed. 0:00 time and no music
15:09:07	MrShlee	sometimes it starts playing after a matter of seconds or I need to press the play button
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15:29:35	MrShlee	Second thing: If I plug the 9V power into my unit −− It powers into the iriver firmware automatically :(
15:29:46	MrShlee	in charging mode
15:30:03	JdGordon	.. as expected
15:30:12	JdGordon	and 9v is too high for the player iirc
15:30:27	MrShlee	Thats expected?... good
15:30:30	MrShlee	5v sorry
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15:30:51	JdGordon	ye, thats all ok
15:31:05	JdGordon	u need to start rb before pluggin in ac.
15:31:22	JdGordon	its a design feature incase u cant get back into iriverFW for whatever reason
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15:31:51	MrShlee	I'm happy with that
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15:32:46	MrShlee	Time to test this slowdown with daily build
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15:37:08	MrShlee	Seems to working fine better
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15:45:00	proog	i have a problem... i followed the installation instructions for the ipod video in linux. but at the chapter "installing the firmware" on page 14, i'm lost... what file shouldi extract to the ipod? and it only shows instructions for windows users! please help me!
15:45:32	Mikachu	go to the linux instructions instead
15:46:25	proog	i have followed the linux instructions all the way to "installing the firmware", but there is no linux instructions
15:47:29	proog	i dont really know what to do
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15:48:00	Mikachu	if there are no linux instructions, you are probably not following the linux instructions
15:48:33	Mikachu	this is what you want to read, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
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15:49:08	proog	oh, daily builds
15:49:13	proog	thanks
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15:51:42	proog	wow, it works!!!
15:51:51	proog	thanks A LOT for your help, Mikachu
15:52:26	proog	btw, you are not french, right?
15:52:30	Mikachu	no
15:52:33	proog	ok
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16:07:26	proog	omg rockbox is great!!
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16:13:38	juxtap	heh yeah, i'm liking it
16:14:05	juxtap	the developers should get payed or something
16:15:45	Mikachu	there is a donate link on the home page
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16:43:38	pussfeller	I'm loving it even better with those awsome new themes for Ipod Photo with a patch
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16:43:57	pussfeller	how do you delete bookmarks on the ipod, I have no luck doing that
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16:44:14	BHSPitMonkey	check out the manual maybe?
16:44:22	pussfeller	from recent bookmarks
16:44:39	pussfeller	well, you think it would be simple, since the bookmark view tells you how
16:44:48	BHSPitMonkey	I've never used that function, so I don't really know
16:44:48	pussfeller	but I can't seem to get the right buttons
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16:45:21	BHSPitMonkey	maybe you can find a file in .rockbox that it saves that information to, and delete/modify it from your computer
16:45:38	pussfeller	yeah it makes a file
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16:50:03	Paul_The_Nerd	pussfeller: What does it tell you to press?
16:51:09	pussfeller	On + play
16:51:18	pussfeller	on is the top
16:51:28	pussfeller	play is the bottom!
16:51:36	pussfeller	cant do both on an ipod
16:51:37	Paul_The_Nerd	"Play" usually means "Select" in those messages
16:51:43	pussfeller	the button
16:52:32	pussfeller	not in this case, i dont think
16:52:48	Paul_The_Nerd	Why do you say that?
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16:53:57	Paul_The_Nerd	pussfeller: Okay, on iPods for some reason "Delete Bookmark" is the >>\| button
16:54:28	pussfeller	excellent, thanks!
16:54:30	Febs	Paul_The_Nerd, probably because that's the button that is used for stop, although stop generally requires a long press.
16:54:59	Paul_The_Nerd	Febs: No, the "next track" button is what I was referring to.
16:55:11	Paul_The_Nerd	With the >>\|
16:55:26	Febs	Ah, I misread the >>\|
16:55:39	*	Febs wonders what we have in the manual for that.
16:56:12	pussfeller	well the info in the "recent bookmarks" screen could be updated
16:56:48	Febs	There is an issue with the way those buttons are identified that doesn't (currently) allow the messages to be different for differnt platforms.
16:56:56	pussfeller	ah
16:57:02	Paul_The_Nerd	Febs: Actually, LangV2 is in, I think it's possible now
16:57:11	Paul_The_Nerd	But most people are busy working on things that relate to the release.
16:57:40	Paul_The_Nerd	If I recall there's a patch in the tracker to resolve the Play / Navi issue on the H100/H300 series in the LangV2 way
16:57:45	Febs	As they should be. But I think that inaccurate button messages should be categoried as "bugs" that can be fixed for the release.
16:58:07	pussfeller	so all that stuffs hardcoded somewhere instead of their being another layer to "translate" to the build model?
16:58:10	Paul_The_Nerd	Febs: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364
16:58:20	Paul_The_Nerd	Febs: Inaccurate button messages on Release Targets, sure. :)
16:58:58	Paul_The_Nerd	pussfeller: Actually, they're stored in a separate file so that Rockbox is easily available in multiple languages, but the original system didn't take into account the possibility that future Rockbox incarnations would be on devices with different buttons.
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17:00:18	pussfeller	i wish I knew c... I wanna do something with audiobooks
17:00:43	pussfeller	like what the Apple OS does with podcasts from itunes
17:02:04	pussfeller	like anything tagged "audio books" or "podcasts" would automatically show up in a certain virtual folder and then autobookmark on leaving that file
17:03:48	pussfeller	or you could mark a specific dir as one to imlement for this behavior
17:04:08	pussfeller	that would get around having to use tag cache
17:04:38	pussfeller	i guess i could just use autobookmark
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17:19:36	ZenMasterJG	is anyone else having problems with the cvs server? i can login as anonymous, but not check out... it just sits there until it times out and i have no idea why
17:22:29	dionoea	works fine here
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17:50:04	dongs	books? people read? omg.
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17:58:07	Mikachu	hooray for sokoban with touch events
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17:58:39	dionoea	touch events ?
17:58:47	dionoea	with ipods ?
17:59:27	Mikachu	yeah
17:59:34	BHSPitMonkey	how's that work
17:59:36	dionoea	is the patch in the tracker ?
17:59:39	Mikachu	i guess what i did would go under the ugly hack category though
17:59:41	Mikachu	no
17:59:57	dionoea	oh :)
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18:00:08	Mikachu	just got it working
18:00:26	dionoea	btw, does the rockbox api allow accessing touch wheel position from plugins ? or is that in a pending patch ?
18:00:44	Mikachu	the api doesn't allow it even from the core as of now
18:00:51	Mikachu	it's only stored inside the button driver
18:01:05	dionoea	ok
18:01:11	Mikachu	when i say as of now, i mean it's always been this way
18:01:13	dionoea	so you added some functions to access it ?
18:01:21	Mikachu	yeah
18:01:25	dionoea	neat
18:01:38	Mikachu	lostlogic also had this idea, but it collides a bit with what plugins expect from the button driver
18:01:46	Mikachu	so i added a magic function that enables and disables the feature
18:01:49	dionoea	they already have it in ipod linux
18:01:52	Mikachu	wheel_send_touch_events()
18:01:54	dionoea	seems quite cool
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18:02:14	Mikachu	it sends an event when you touch the wheel, and an event when you let go
18:02:22	Mikachu	and sends the position inside the event too
18:02:32	dionoea	and an event when you move ?
18:02:39	Mikachu	that is what we already have
18:02:40	BHSPitMonkey	how does that apply with sudoku
18:02:47	BHSPitMonkey	oh never mind
18:02:48	BHSPitMonkey	sokoban
18:02:49	BHSPitMonkey	hehe
18:02:49	Mikachu	i said sokoban :)
18:02:58	Mikachu	but it can be used in sudoku too
18:03:07	dionoea	Mikachu: well the current even only said left or right, not the position, right ?
18:03:17	Mikachu	yeah
18:03:18	dionoea	*event
18:03:32	Mikachu	i was about to say i have the absolute position patch too that has been in the tracker forever
18:03:45	Mikachu	that adds a function that simply exports the variable that keeps track of the wheel position
18:04:21	dionoea	position == angle ? or does it tell you exactly where you are (like near the center or on the outer side ?)
18:04:30	Mikachu	only angle
18:04:34	Mikachu	between 0 and 95
18:04:43	Mikachu	that's how the wheel is built
18:05:11	*	dionoea was just dreaming about some kind of touchpad emulation
18:05:23	Mikachu	you can only do circles, sorry :)
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18:05:53	Mikachu	i guess if you want to emulate buttons on the wheel, you could do 8 at most, reliably
18:05:57	Mikachu	at least on the nano
18:06:10	Mikachu	the video wheel is much bigger
18:06:24	dionoea	well it doesn't look like you can put more than 8 here (video)
18:07:15	dionoea	you have to code "tap" and "double tap" kind of events too now :D
18:07:22	Mikachu	the actual buttons on the nano are quite firm, so it's not comfortable to press them so often as you do in a game
18:07:31	Mikachu	heh
18:07:49	Mikachu	s/so/as/2
18:09:09	dionoea	do you have some patch i could have fun with ? :)
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19:11:59	FWHITE10	one of the devs seemed interested in feature request: FS #5379 about a month ago/ any way to see if there was any progress there or should I just wait till theres a post on that thread?
19:12:28	FWHITE10	seems pretty buried in the feat reqs by now.. not sure if anyone will even notice it now
19:14:21	dionoea	well i won't be able to help you :) But since rockbox is in a feature freeze period, no patches are being merged into CVS ...
19:14:28	dionoea	(except bug fixes)
19:16:03	FWHITE10	oh i just learned how to apply patches so that wouldent be a prob, its just that its easier for me to pass a kidney stone at gunpoint than code C so without the help of a dev i guess ill just wait till someone else needs the feature
19:17:29	dionoea	i guess that it'll make it into rockbox one day :) (since it does sound logical)
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20:21:00	whatboutbob	petur: ping
20:21:07	petur	pong
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20:23:28	petur	whatboutbob: figuring out why the my gain protection froze recording brought up 2 small issues, and lots of testing
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20:26:27	petur	aha, that's why....
20:26:50	petur	very funny
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20:52:59	whatboutbob	got it.
20:53:19	whatboutbob	man...mega lag...
20:53:26	whatboutbob	don't think i'll bother.
20:53:32	whatboutbob	petur: hope you're having fun.
20:53:40	petur	;)
20:54:35	whatboutbob	gah...i blame the world cup. Its all Angola's fault.
20:55:47	petur	whatboutbob: get an irc client and try to log onto some servers until you find one with less lag?
20:56:47	petur	I don't care about football, but if it would degrade my net connection I would start to hate it
20:58:32	whatboutbob	petur: PM me if you need any help testing.
20:58:57	petur	nah, it's ok... got everything I need now ;)
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21:18:42	mikearthur	whats the xobox game based off? its addictive and I want something similar for my pc
21:18:59	midkay	qix (aka xonix).
21:19:14	mikearthur	nice cheers
21:19:21	midkay	np :)
21:22:24	mikearthur	you know of any linux versions?
21:22:44	mikearthur	just xonix
21:22:46	mikearthur	?
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21:23:37	midkay	dunno..
21:28:08	dionoea	xonix seems to exist on debian
21:28:37	dionoea	but it's broken :/
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21:59:13	bluebrother	RedBreva, how's it going with your themes page? I saw you made some adjustments ...
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22:32:51	FWHITE10	anytime i update or make a special patched build and update with that, should i remove .rockbox dir and rockbox.ipod or just overwrite them
22:33:30	FWHITE10	i figure the latter way wont remove my settings
22:33:43	FWHITE10	but not sure if it would damage code
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22:35:33	dionoea	overwriting should be fine
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22:36:50	FWHITE10	figured thanks =D
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22:39:08	RedBreva	Hi bluebrother ... Got my PHP for beginers book, and managed to rework the initial index page to how I like it - thanks for the initial work, couldn't have done it without you...
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22:40:46	bluebrother	nice to hear. The page starts getting even better ;-)
22:41:18	RedBreva	still a few minor tweaks to ensure the HTML validates, and at the present the 'notes' line from the theme.txt file is screwing up the layout (See the H140 page), not too sure why atm...
22:43:59	bluebrother	you mean screwing up in therms of getting the table cells too wide?
22:44:53	RedBreva	yes.
22:45:50	bluebrother	you could fix that by setting the table width to a fixed with, or centering the screenshots.
22:46:10	RedBreva	http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.txt & http://www.rockbox-themes.org/themes.txt are the current versions...
22:46:43	RedBreva	Yes, I know the column count & width, so no reason not to set an absolute width...
22:47:06	RedBreva	once, again, I am in you debt...
22:47:13	RedBreva	you = your
22:47:17	dionoea	RedBreva: you could try .phps instead of .txt - apache (if correctly configured) does syntax coloration on those
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22:49:29	RedBreva	dionoea: Just tried that, doesn't seem to work :( not for me at least
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22:50:19	bluebrother	RedBreva, the problem is that the table will be resized to fit the screen viewport if it's possible. Thus text lines that could be printed longer will get more space.
22:51:17	bluebrother	so you could fix the width of your table cells accordingly, which will do the trick. Easiest would be width:130px; in the css file (for h1xx only of course)
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23:00:39	Moos	Hello here !
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23:02:23	JordanG	so i've hosed something... which .cfg file in .rockbox does it load by default on boot?? config01.cfg?
23:02:45	JordanG	for some reason i've changed somthing and am getting black text on a black backgroud now...
23:02:50	bluebrother	JordanG, none. The settings are saved in a special block on hd.
23:02:55	JordanG	hmm
23:03:00	JordanG	ok
23:03:14	bluebrother	you can clear the settings with the bootloader. Hold rec on iriver devices.
23:03:25	JordanG	i'm on the ipod video
23:03:46	bluebrother	Can't tell you the key for other typed. I think it was something like switching on hold during bootloader run.
23:03:48	JordanG	thats mildly annoying behavior, if it doesnt find that file you think there would be a default
23:04:43	amiconn	There is no file. It's a special sector on disk, and yes there is a default
23:05:06	amiconn	You can reset settings on ipod by switching on 'hold' immediately after powering on
23:05:20	JordanG	awesome, thanks
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23:11:33	RedBreva	bluebrother: W00T! Ok, a little more work to do on the centring etc, but that works... The table and cell size are calculated dynamically
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23:12:29	midkay	ooh. :)
23:12:45	XavierGr	hehe I just installed windows Vista beta 2
23:12:57	XavierGr	But this isn't funny...
23:13:03	RedBreva	best of luck with that XavierGr ...
23:13:19	XavierGr	I've got a 3.0 ghz pentium and this OS lags as hell.
23:13:25	midkay	XavierGr, installed it a few days ago..
23:13:29	XavierGr	It can't even play music without skipping
23:13:36	midkay	true, it's half-a-year from being done, lots of optimization to do..
23:13:38	XavierGr	it is like rockbox on iPod :P
23:13:38	RedBreva	I just HATE it! have been using it on/off for several months on a couple of PC's and really don't like it
23:13:41	midkay	.. but it's not that slow :)
23:13:52	midkay	RedBreva, nobody forcing you to update, i hope. :)
23:14:01	XavierGr	I must admit that it is sleek though
23:14:04	bluebrother	RedBreva, should work if you enlage the <div> holding the title to enclose also the image link
23:14:06	RedBreva	No, just playing, as you do
23:14:14	XavierGr	but I can't use it. It a pain in the ass.
23:14:24	midkay	RedBreva, like what do you hate? some things are different and take some getting used to, but i think once i do they'll be very useful..
23:14:31	*	bluebrother isn't interested in the latest MS-Stuff at all
23:14:37	midkay	XavierGr, so don't.. it's a preview, not really official. :)
23:15:04	XavierGr	I was a little strange about it and my new 320gb hard drive arrived so I gave it a try.
23:15:22	XavierGr	But I am sure I won't use it for more than 1 hour.
23:15:37	XavierGr	strange = weird
23:15:38	RedBreva	Vista => XP is like Apple/iTunes => Rockbox... very pretty, but it's just toooo hand-holdy.. (Made up word)
23:15:46	midkay	same, i don't want to switch until it's out.. it is a little buggy/laggy, but i like it otherwise.
23:16:18	XavierGr	Well my major concern right now is to get free from MS.
23:16:24	XavierGr	I want to convert to linux.
23:16:30	XavierGr	But I am failing to do that.
23:16:40	bluebrother	XavierGr, why?
23:16:41	XavierGr	Too much software dependant
23:16:57	bluebrother	hmm, ok. That can be a real problem.
23:17:08	midkay	XavierGr, same here.. games+apps i use every day.. too many incompatibilities. not that i think i'd switch if i didn't have such trouble..
23:17:22	bluebrother	for my personal stuff I found replacements for nearly all ... except games :)
23:17:53	XavierGr	Games is not a problem for me... though some programs in Windows are irreplacable.
23:17:59	XavierGr	s/is/are
23:18:49	XavierGr	not to mention these silly confirmation dialogs once in a while....
23:18:57	XavierGr	do you want to do that?
23:19:00	XavierGr	are you sure?
23:19:06	bluebrother	I found most "home" users don't have any programs that could be replaced. When using special purpose software this doesn't apply anymore, of course.
23:19:07	XavierGr	Really?
23:19:08	midkay	XavierGr, haha. yeah. disablable though..
23:19:49	XavierGr	Well, windows XP has those damn wizards.
23:19:57	XavierGr	I really hate them....
23:21:06	*	petur has many reasons for sticking with w2k - less wizards is one of them
23:21:27	XavierGr	Also linux will be a problem for me in the Hardware aspect. I can't make my printer to work. Not to mention the HID devices.
23:22:53	XavierGr	hmm I think I know why Vista is so damn slow. All window captions are transparent. XO
23:23:06	midkay	just noticing this? :)
23:23:21	XavierGr	ehm, yes and many others too.
23:23:28	bluebrother	is your printer that uncommon? USB is working flawlessly for me on linux.
23:23:31	midkay	one of the major new features... hardware-accellerated transparency/scaling/fading..
23:23:38	petur	I don't know why everybody wants that transparent sh*t
23:23:41	midkay	certainly a major cause of slowdown.
23:23:50	midkay	petur, it looks nice. :)
23:23:56	petur	no it does not
23:24:03	bluebrother	because the graphics card gets bored otherwise? g
23:24:06	XavierGr	well it seems nice at least at start.
23:24:11	midkay	petur, then, uncheck the box that enables it.
23:24:26	midkay	clearly it's an opinion..
23:24:47	petur	wasted programmers resources it is
23:25:06	midkay	that's also an opinion. :)
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23:26:04	petur	amiconn: around?
23:26:22	_per_	how can i install instruments so i can open midi files with midiplay??
23:27:11	*	petur swears at audacity
23:27:49	XavierGr	well I think I am done with windows Vista.
23:28:09	_per_	anyone???
23:28:22	bluebrother	_per_, on linux or on rockbox?
23:28:23	XavierGr	or as we say in greek sVista (delete them)
23:28:33	_per_	bluebrother: rockbox
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23:28:56	bluebrother	you need to grab a patchset archive and extract it.
23:29:06	XavierGr	I just hope that it didn't destroy my other Windows XP installation.
23:29:06	_per_	where from??
23:29:10	XavierGr	That would make me mad....
23:29:15	midkay	haha.
23:29:16	XavierGr	ok have to reboot now
23:29:23	bluebrother	see this task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3005
23:29:51	EbErT	"this is windows, please reboot because you have changed something"
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23:30:00	bluebrother	you need to extract it below your .rockbox folder
23:30:29	_per_	thanks bluebrother, i'll try that
23:30:55	_per_	omg! 21,9 mb!!
23:31:13	_per_	oh well, 5 minutes, what the hell...
23:31:14	EbErT	yep, heh
23:31:31	EbErT	lotsa games for some reason
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23:34:24	XavierGr	ok that was fun for a moment
23:34:42	XavierGr	now back on my 20 seconds boot and preferences
23:34:51	XavierGr	I am not a sleek freak. :)
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23:39:12	webguest99	Can someone help me
23:39:22	webguest99	hello?
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23:41:36	XavierGr	hahaha
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23:42:36	Jon23266	hi
23:42:41	Jon23266	whats up
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23:43:40	Jon23266	can someone help me
23:44:05	DrMoos	just ask
23:44:25	Jon23266	How would i go about making my own rockbox type app for the ipod
23:44:58	Paul_The_Nerd	What do you mean exactly?
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23:45:40	Jon23266	like i want to know how to make somthing like that
23:45:43	Jon23266	similar
23:45:59	Paul_The_Nerd	Similar to Rockbox? Well, it's open source, so you could just modify it to suit your needs.
23:46:10	Jon23266	Hmm what tools would i need paul?
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23:47:07	Paul_The_Nerd	Have you tried compiling Rockbox before?
23:47:08	Jon23266	?
23:47:17	Jon23266	No i think i need a C compiler
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23:47:33	Jon23266	is there a program like visual basic but its C... so like visual C
23:48:02	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, most people use GCC set upt to cross-compile for the ARM processors in iPods
23:48:15	Paul_The_Nerd	If you go to the Rockbox webpage, and search for the SimpleGuideToCompiling you can find basic instructions.
23:48:24	Jon23266	hey i have another question
23:48:47	Jon23266	is there any other way to load rockbox on an ipod besides using the bootloader2 from iPod Linux people
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23:48:52	Jon23266	cause i think its the only way?
23:48:58	DarkJesus	What tag format does ogg use?
23:49:17	markun	DarkJesus: it's called 'vorbis comments'
23:49:34	DarkJesus	Er, do you use dbpoweramp?
23:49:38	markun	no
23:49:45	Jon23266	Paul do you have AIM or MSN
23:49:49	DarkJesus	Well, vorbis comments isn't here
23:50:02	DarkJesus	Only id3 and ape
23:50:29	markun	it's neither of them
23:50:29	Paul_The_Nerd	Jon23266: You can also use the Rockbox bootloader, which was the original way.
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23:50:48	Paul_The_Nerd	I assume you haven't read the official installation instructions even, then.
23:50:53	Jon23266	Well Paul your cool do you have AIM or MSN
23:51:04	Paul_The_Nerd	I don't give up personal contact details.
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23:51:21	Jon23266	ill let you IM me?
23:51:41	Paul_The_Nerd	I do not give support by IM at all.
23:51:45	Paul_The_Nerd	Here, or in the forums, that's it.
23:52:07	EbErT	down with im :)
23:52:19	Paul_The_Nerd	I use IM plenty, but only for personal communications. Friends and such.
23:53:10	Paprica	hi
23:53:12	Paprica	:)
23:53:15	Paprica	http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dump0606120051404to.png
23:53:21	Paprica	chopper at rockbox =]
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23:54:33	Mikachu	i have to say i am quite impressed by the star plugin now
23:54:45	Mikachu	Paprica: nice :)
23:55:00	Paprica	:)
23:55:26	Paprica	just more little work and it will be ready
23:55:43	midkay	Paprica, also me, looks very cool. :)
23:55:45	amiconn	petur: Ooops, didn't notice earlier...
23:55:52	Jon23266	can someone help me make my own rockbox type app
23:55:55	midkay	glad to catch you around, Paprica. i wanted to talk to you about the brickmania bitmaps..
23:55:58	petur	amiconn: nevermind
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23:56:24	Paprica	mm :)
23:56:26	midkay	you may have noticed i've suggested a few on the forums.. nothing really decisive is happening. i wanted to ask if you had larger versions of the current ones.
23:56:27	Paprica	pm?
23:56:33	midkay	sure..
23:57:33	Jon23266	Can someone help me make and comple my own rockbox type OS for my ipod nano?
23:57:33	petur	amiconn: I'm seeing occasional glitches recording without touching anything. Not always so not easy to test. the glitch is that a bunch of samples go missing, mostly at the very start (first seconds) of the recording
23:57:43	Mikachu	Jon23266: no
23:57:58	Jon23266	Uhm someone besides Mikachu
23:58:03	petur	amiconn: but I've run out of time now....
23:58:15	Jon23266	if your gonna say no then you misewell not say anything
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23:58:36	Mikachu	apparently not, since you asked three times now
23:58:42	Jon23266	twice

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