| 00:00:22 | amiconn | Info->Debug->View HW info |
| 00:00:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | And what am I looking for there? |
| 00:00:46 | amiconn | If it says Flash : M=BF D=D6 it's flashable |
| 00:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is flashable then. :) |
| 00:00:58 | amiconn | If it shows question marks, it's not flashable |
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| 00:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wow. |
| 00:02:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't have the hiss I get on other players. At all. |
| 00:03:03 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:03:26 | amiconn | Guess why I said the UDA1380 (iriver dac) is noisy? |
| 00:03:35 | sharpe | because it is? |
| 00:04:23 | amiconn | I rather think it's not the dac itself, but rather the headphone amp, and/or some messed up wiring |
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| 00:04:31 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you get a hiss on your Nano as well? |
| 00:04:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: The line out is less noisy. |
| 00:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Fainter than my irivers, but definitely yes. |
| 00:04:51 | sharpe | what does this hiss sound like? |
| 00:05:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd say of the players I own, for hiss, the iRiver h120 headphone jack is the worst, then iFP-799, then Nano, then this Archos |
| 00:05:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Turn the volume down to about -50 or -60 and the music will be about the same loudness as the hiss on the H120. It's just a hiss. Like... ssssssssss........ |
| 00:05:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the Nano it doesn't interfere with my music until about -70ish |
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| 00:06:02 | sharpe | what if i already listen to my ipod at -50? :) |
| 00:06:29 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: The archos firmware for recorder v1 has a background noise bug. Rockbox does not :) |
| 00:06:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also won't show up with all earphones. |
| 00:06:38 | sharpe | ah. |
| 00:06:38 | linuxstb | sharpe: I can't hear any hiss on the 5g. |
| 00:06:45 | sharpe | neither can i. |
| 00:06:52 | linuxstb | But the same headphones in my h140 deafen me... |
| 00:07:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | For example, I can't hear it at all with my stupid old Koss KTXPros |
| 00:07:03 | linuxstb | (I exaggerate slightly...) |
| 00:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | With my PX100s it's faint, but if I listen carefully I get it. |
| 00:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | With the CX300s I recently ended up with, it's *very* easy to hear. |
| 00:07:31 | sharpe | i can't really speak for anything, i hear switching power supplies :\ |
| 00:08:07 | sharpe | and tvs... and monitors... |
| 00:08:24 | sharpe | on an old mp3 player i had, i could tell when the backlight was on by listening. |
| 00:08:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, well time for me to do this whole "class" thing |
| 00:08:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll see you people later |
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| 00:09:43 | sharpe | hmm... |
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| 00:10:22 | sharpe | in the ipod bootloader, when it mentions that the ADC and button drivers are not yet implemented, does it mean, specifically for the bootloader, or for rockbox in general? |
| 00:13:54 | linuxstb | It means that at the time the bootloader was written, they weren't implemented for the ipod. |
| 00:13:59 | sharpe | okkay. |
| 00:14:06 | sharpe | that's what i though... |
| 00:14:12 | linuxstb | Now they are written, but we don't use them anyway. |
| 00:15:31 | sharpe | gah. though. |
| 00:15:34 | sharpe | ... |
| 00:15:37 | sharpe | thought. |
| 00:16:39 | sharpe | i'm going to have to move around some code to get the messages displayed in an accepted order... |
| 00:17:04 | obo | does rockbox have an ln function anywhere? |
| 00:17:13 | sharpe | natural log? |
| 00:17:16 | obo | yup |
| 00:17:19 | Ribs | how can I remove the ratbox bootloader? |
| 00:17:23 | sharpe | not that i know of. |
| 00:17:27 | linuxstb | sharpe: As long as you don't slow it down... |
| 00:17:34 | linuxstb | Ribs: Ask in #ratbox |
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| 00:17:43 | Ribs | ahhhh, CRAP |
| 00:17:44 | markun | anyone here working on the manual? |
| 00:17:49 | Ribs | I meant to say "rockbox", sorry :) |
| 00:17:53 | * | Ribs is tired |
| 00:17:59 | obo | anyone know of any fixed point versions? |
| 00:18:08 | linuxstb | Ribs: Which player have you installed Rockbox on? |
| 00:18:22 | Ribs | ipod g5 |
| 00:18:27 | linuxstb | From Windows? |
| 00:18:43 | sharpe | linuxstb: i won't, i just have to move it around so it will call ata_init(), disk_init() and disk_mount_all() before trying to load the settings, which i found out the hard way a while ago. |
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| 00:19:04 | tucoz | markun, occasionaly ;-) |
| 00:19:51 | Ribs | linuxstb: from Linux |
| 00:19:55 | linuxstb | obo: Look in the codecs - you may find an implementation there. |
| 00:20:08 | linuxstb | Ribs: Did you keep a copy of the "bootpartition.bin" file you created when you installed the bootloader? |
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| 00:20:25 | Ribs | I have since deleted that |
| 00:20:28 | Ribs | hrm |
| 00:20:32 | Ribs | that'll make things difficult |
| 00:20:40 | linuxstb | It will indeed.... |
| 00:20:49 | Ribs | I only ask, as my iPod is about to die |
| 00:21:00 | Ribs | I want to hand it back to the store with original firmware on it |
| 00:21:05 | Ribs | so they can't bullshit me |
| 00:21:10 | tucoz | markun, why? |
| 00:21:13 | markun | tucoz: I make a SVG version of the logo |
| 00:21:17 | tucoz | nice |
| 00:21:26 | markun | Could do with some work still |
| 00:21:29 | tucoz | hopefully pdflatex can handle that |
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| 00:21:34 | tucoz | Not sure |
| 00:22:18 | markun | sodipodi can print to postscript, but I don't know how to make an eps file |
| 00:22:57 | tucoz | pdflatex can not handle eps as far as I know |
| 00:23:01 | linuxstb | Ribs: If you can't restore it from a Windows PC, the next best thing would be to write zeros to the disk - e.g. something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda count=500000 |
| 00:23:18 | linuxstb | That should wipe all traces of Rockbox... |
| 00:23:24 | tucoz | It can handle pdf though |
| 00:23:54 | Ribs | linuxstb: and it will restore orignial firmware from where...? |
| 00:23:58 | markun | tucoz: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/rockboxlogo3.svg |
| 00:23:59 | Ribs | does it have a store we can't access? |
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| 00:24:56 | linuxstb | Ribs: What do you mean? Apple have an "ipod restore" utility which you can run in Windows (or on a Mac) which contains copies of the firmware. |
| 00:25:19 | Ribs | I see |
| 00:25:40 | tucoz | looks good |
| 00:25:41 | Ribs | linuxstb: I mean, if I zero out the iPod HD... will it be 'bricked' (useless, unable to boot) ? |
| 00:26:09 | sharpe | it's very hard to brick an ipod, short of hitting it with a brick. |
| 00:26:12 | linuxstb | Ribs: Not "bricked", but unable to boot. |
| 00:26:31 | Ribs | hrm |
| 00:26:32 | linuxstb | You can still access the disk by forcing it into disk mode (hold SELECT+PLAY when booting). |
| 00:26:38 | tucoz | markun, we could propably work out somehow to get that into the manual. I am not really sure how atm though. |
| 00:26:49 | Ribs | I think I still have a window partition on here |
| 00:26:52 | Ribs | so I'll try that |
| 00:26:55 | Ribs | thanks for the advice, linuxstb |
| 00:27:57 | markun | tucoz: I'll look into it a bit more this week if I have time |
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| 00:28:02 | markun | Good night for now |
| 00:28:05 | tucoz | good night |
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| 00:34:06 | linuxstb | markun: Apparently inkscape can export an SVG file as PDF... |
| 00:34:28 | pixelma | tucoz: would an eps-file of markun's .svg help you in some way? |
| 00:34:43 | tucoz | pixelma, that is 91MB in size |
| 00:34:50 | pixelma | oh |
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| 00:36:03 | tucoz | and the pdf is 31MB |
| 00:36:06 | pixelma | really? I got about 8 MB here |
| 00:36:48 | tucoz | I ran convert file.svg file.eps |
| 00:36:58 | tucoz | -> 91MB |
| 00:37:29 | linuxstb | That must be a bitmap then... |
| 00:37:46 | tucoz | hmm. I'll try with gimp |
| 00:37:47 | pixelma | I did it with a vector graphics program |
| 00:39:55 | tucoz | ok |
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| 00:43:37 | linuxstb | Saving that svg file as .eps from inkscape gives a file about 53KB in size. |
| 00:44:57 | tucoz | linuxstb, i saved it as pdf, but that got clipped |
| 00:46:19 | pixelma | then that's better than mine :) but I knew that my program can't deal with eps very well |
| 00:46:44 | linuxstb | Yes, I tried that as well... Have you tried the ".tex" export? It needs the PSTricks LaTeX extension and simple writes the postscript commands as tex commands... |
| 00:46:55 | linuxstb | (\moveto, \lineto, \curveto etc) |
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| 00:47:32 | tucoz | No, haven't tried that |
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| 00:49:11 | sharpe | hmm... should it output a message if it does not understand a setting, like a misspelling? |
| 00:49:53 | sharpe | or just tell that there was a problem parsing it? |
| 00:51:06 | midkay | whatever you think it should output. |
| 00:51:07 | midkay | alright. |
| 00:51:21 | sharpe | heh. |
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| 00:51:56 | midkay | no. |
| 00:52:03 | sharpe | nay? |
| 00:52:08 | midkay | ne ... pas. |
| 00:52:31 | sharpe | why? |
| 00:52:53 | midkay | nothing. just.. make up your own mind, alright?! |
| 00:52:58 | sharpe | :) |
| 00:57:50 | sharpe | when i do that, it's more of a thinking aloud kind of thing. but it comes out as text. |
| 00:58:13 | tucoz | linuxstb, it looks like scribus could work for pdf output. I got something fairly well looking here |
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| 01:03:42 | linuxstb | tucoz: I like the look of the "pstricks" macros. It keeps everything as nice text files... |
| 01:03:58 | linuxstb | And at least in my tex installation, pstricks is standard. |
| 01:04:13 | tucoz | hehe, but I am not sure that will work. A guy over at #latex said so anyway |
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| 01:05:05 | tucoz | saving as pdf in scribus produces a 32K .pdf, which we can include with pdflatex |
| 01:05:16 | linuxstb | What's the issue with PSTricks? |
| 01:05:54 | linuxstb | But I guess if PDF will work... |
| 01:05:56 | tucoz | dunno, I asked if it could work, and got "erm, well, no" |
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| 01:06:31 | sharpe | i believe this will work correctly, if they don't have a 'default' boot set, then... it should end up booting the original firmware anyway... |
| 01:06:35 | tucoz | linuxstb, how do you use PSTricks? |
| 01:07:11 | tucoz | you \usepackage{pstricks} ? |
| 01:07:42 | linuxstb | I haven't got that far.... |
| 01:08:02 | linuxstb | But yes, google is telling me that pdflatex doesn't like PSTricks. |
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| 01:10:19 | linuxstb | I've got an "epstopdf" utility installed from somewhere - that does a nice job of converting inkscape's eps files to .pdf - a 21KB PDF for the logo. |
| 01:11:13 | tucoz | me too. Just tried it |
| 01:11:39 | tucoz | That is probably the easiest way to go. |
| 01:11:44 | hardeep | amiconn: okay, the first problem you reported should be fixed. regarding the second, were you just referring to the fact that the playlist viewer shows the wrong current track (e.g. the ERRed one)? |
| 01:12:00 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:12:34 | amiconn | That's fixable by leaving and re-entering the playlist viewer though |
| 01:12:51 | hardeep | yeah, just missing an update somewhere |
| 01:13:37 | tucoz | markun, in case you read the logs: Seems like this is the way to go. Save the .svg as .eps -> epstopdf logo.eps |
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| 01:20:46 | sharpe | i'm going to see if there's any problem with settings the boot order/keys a certain way. |
| 01:23:13 | | Quit dpro_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:25:45 | hardeep | actually, looks like we weren't changing whenever there was a track change −− fixed |
| 01:25:52 | hardeep | s/changing/updating |
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| 01:27:40 | hardeep | hmmm, yellow builds caused by a particular server? |
| 01:28:23 | preglow | not uncommon |
| 01:28:46 | amiconn | hardeep: The problem is called gcc 4.1 |
| 01:29:07 | preglow | do you run that? |
| 01:29:28 | amiconn | Yes, since I am running unstable. The last upgrade brought gcc 4.1 |
| 01:29:44 | amiconn | There are already 2 build servers running 4.1 |
| 01:29:46 | preglow | hmm |
| 01:29:59 | preglow | perhaps we should also use cross compilers of some specific version for sim builds? |
| 01:30:26 | preglow | would of course mean a world of bother |
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| 01:30:59 | preglow | i didn't think even unstable used 4.1 yet |
| 01:31:36 | amiconn | gcc version 4.1.2 20060604 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-2) |
| 01:32:10 | preglow | anyway |
| 01:32:38 | preglow | there's no way away from that unless we do as i said |
| 01:32:51 | preglow | which would also mean building sdl and some other libs for the cross compiler |
| 01:33:03 | preglow | or, perhaps the systems libs would still work |
| 01:33:09 | sharpe | are there any other options that i should include in the settings? |
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| 01:46:23 | linuxstb | sharpe: What have you got so far? |
| 01:53:28 | sharpe | foreground/background color, watermark (as in, two lines displayed at the bottom of the screen), and which key boots which firmware. |
| 01:53:58 | sharpe | and the default firmware is included in the key settings |
| 01:56:29 | linuxstb | I'm sure a lot of ipod users will love you for it... |
| 01:56:52 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 01:57:06 | linuxstb | So when do you change the colours? Do you leave the screen black until you've read the settings file? |
| 01:58:18 | sharpe | the colors are changed as they're read in the settings |
| 01:58:34 | sharpe | which happens right after it boots |
| 01:58:57 | sharpe | ! |
| 01:59:08 | sharpe | oops... |
| 02:00 |
| 02:01:26 | linuxstb | ? |
| 02:02:56 | sharpe | hit the !. |
| 02:03:13 | sharpe | what is the normal background color? that nice shade of blue... |
| 02:03:25 | linuxstb | It's LCD_DEFAULT_BG |
| 02:03:30 | sharpe | wow. |
| 02:04:13 | linuxstb | BTW, your two lines displayed at the bottom might not work on the Nano and mini... |
| 02:04:28 | linuxstb | - unless you reduce the text output. |
| 02:06:07 | sharpe | yeah, i was planning on that. |
| 02:07:07 | ranok | linuxstb! |
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| 02:09:16 | ranok | so what file do you need help getting to work? |
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| 02:18:10 | sharpe | anyone know how many lines can be displayed with the default font on the nano, color, and mini? :) |
| 02:20:52 | sharpe | how does a setting for a delay before the keypress is read, sound? |
| 02:21:11 | ranok | sorry, I know nothing |
| 02:21:47 | XavierGr | sharpe: for the "how many lines" question you can try the sim. |
| 02:22:02 | sharpe | yeah, but i want to be lazy. |
| 02:23:01 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:23:44 | XavierGr | I know, but... |
| 02:23:54 | sharpe | heh... |
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| 02:27:33 | linuxstb | ranok: Sorry, you've caught me just as I'm going to bed (it's 1.30am here). The code relevant to the audio driver for the 3g is in various places in the firmware/ directory. But mainly pcm_playback.c and drivers/wm8731l.c |
| 02:27:48 | ranok | ok |
| 02:27:52 | ranok | I'm off too |
| 02:29:38 | linuxstb | Goodnight. |
| 02:30:04 | ranok | same to you |
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| 02:41:27 | sharpe | oh wait. i can just divide the screen height by the height of the font. wow. |
| 02:42:40 | scorche | add padding too |
| 02:42:54 | sharpe | why? |
| 02:43:06 | scorche | at least one pixel... |
| 02:43:09 | sharpe | why? |
| 02:43:16 | scorche | cause i said so |
| 02:43:19 | sharpe | :( |
| 02:43:23 | scorche | coem on |
| 02:43:31 | scorche | i havent talked to you in a while |
| 02:43:50 | scorche | some harassment is in order |
| 02:43:57 | sharpe | lol |
| 02:46:57 | amiconn | w00000000000000000000t !!!! |
| 02:47:06 | * | scorche slaps amiconn |
| 02:47:08 | * | amiconn has contact to the isp1362 :D |
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| 02:47:17 | sharpe | amiconn! the bootloader works! |
| 02:47:27 | midkay | amiconn, great, congrats. :) |
| 02:47:32 | amiconn | ISP1362 HC ID: 0x3630 |
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| 02:47:39 | amiconn | ISP1362 DC ID: 0x3630 |
| 02:47:54 | amiconn | Now we can try to send it to sleep... |
| 02:48:05 | amiconn | ...but before doing so, I need sleep :/ |
| 02:48:11 | sharpe | ... that's great. you make contact with it, now you want to kill it. :( |
| 02:48:20 | sharpe | what if it had a family?! |
| 02:48:26 | amiconn | Sleep... not kill |
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| 02:48:43 | amiconn | We need to stop it from sucking battery |
| 02:48:52 | sharpe | euphamism for killing. :) |
| 02:49:08 | sharpe | like, putting your pet to sleep. |
| 02:49:36 | midkay | amiconn, i wanted to ask - what is that chip for exactly? |
| 02:49:43 | amiconn | midkay: USB on the go |
| 02:49:57 | amiconn | The problem was indeed a really fundamental one |
| 02:50:01 | midkay | oh, *awesome*. not necessary at all, at least not to run by default.. |
| 02:50:13 | sharpe | which player is it on? |
| 02:50:18 | midkay | makes some sense that it would suck a lot of battery too.. since it should not be on often.. |
| 02:50:54 | amiconn | The chip select used for this chip (/CS3) isn't implemented as a single chip select, but it's split into a separate read strobe and write strobe (/SRE and /SWE) |
| 02:51:30 | amiconn | ...but /SRE can be programmed to be active on write, and hence behave as the 'full' chip select |
| 02:51:59 | scorche | sharpe: h3xx i believe |
| 02:52:13 | amiconn | Who would've thought that... the config bit for that is in IDECONFIG1 ... tsk tsk |
| 02:52:39 | sharpe | ah. |
| 02:52:48 | amiconn | Studying datasheets sometimes pays off :) |
| 02:53:21 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:53:22 | sharpe | what happens if we try to set the color of a 2bit lcd screen? |
| 02:54:19 | amiconn | midkay: Yes, we do want to support usbotg one day, but if the chip is not in use, it should be put to sleep |
| 02:54:47 | amiconn | The chip sucks power in the same order of magnitude as the CPU, thereby almost halving battery runtime on H300 |
| 02:55:11 | midkay | amiconn, right, should certainly be disabled while it's not in use.. |
| 02:55:12 | amiconn | I'd expect >19hours, but get 11 hours |
| 02:55:20 | amiconn | (stock battery) |
| 02:55:27 | midkay | that's extremely cool, congrats again. :) |
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| 03:00:21 | sharpe | okay, with an integer division, the decimal (if there happens to be one) is ignored, correct? |
| 03:08:04 | dongs | what |
| 03:08:29 | midkay | that was random and utterly annoying, disturbing and inappropriate. |
| 03:09:14 | dongs | last i checked, 'due to freeze, no model-specific enhancements are done, especially battery-life related' quote from 'Paul_The_Nerd' |
| 03:09:29 | dongs | thats what I got when I asked hy whats the status of ipod battery life improvement. |
| 03:09:48 | midkay | uh, certainly misquoted. |
| 03:09:48 | sharpe | and...? |
| 03:10:06 | dongs | ... and you're discussing battery life improvement on some random specific device |
| 03:10:07 | midkay | no *unsupported* model-specific enhancements. |
| 03:10:15 | midkay | it's not random, it's a SUPPORTED TARGET, and one of the most popular. |
| 03:10:22 | midkay | and it's a *huge* problem. |
| 03:10:56 | dongs | i think ipod battery life problem is huger, personally. |
| 03:11:08 | midkay | well, it's not supported, so don't worry about it. |
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| 03:11:54 | dongs | huh |
| 03:12:09 | dongs | how is whatever you were discussing any more supported htan ipod |
| 03:12:15 | sharpe | the ipods will not be offically supported until november (?) |
| 03:12:19 | midkay | um. 3.0 = iriver. 3.1 = ipod. |
| 03:12:27 | midkay | the ipods will not be supported in 3.0, and we're trying to finish 3.0. |
| 03:12:35 | dongs | lol i see. |
| 03:12:44 | midkay | yeah. LOL. |
| 03:12:48 | qwm | oh no, whenever i enter this channel, dongs is scattering shit around. :) |
| 03:13:09 | sharpe | hahah... |
| 03:13:17 | scorche | well..it is what he does.. |
| 03:13:27 | sharpe | hey midkay, wish to try the customizable bootloader? :D |
| 03:13:28 | scorche | every irc channel has to have one of em |
| 03:13:35 | midkay | sharpe, customizable? |
| 03:13:38 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:13:44 | midkay | scorche, right, it's just unfair that we get a much worse 'one'. |
| 03:13:45 | midkay | :( |
| 03:13:58 | sharpe | and it's not customized at compilation either. |
| 03:14:11 | midkay | .. go on.. |
| 03:14:11 | midkay | :) |
| 03:14:17 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:14:22 | midkay | customizable how? |
| 03:14:48 | scorche | midkay: well, someone has to have em....and at least he is in an area where people can prove him wrong, dont listen to him, know that he is full of something, etc. |
| 03:14:57 | sharpe | has settings for colors (fg/bg), optional text displayed in the bottom left corner, and which firmware is booted by which key, and which firmware is the default. |
| 03:15:02 | midkay | scorche, right, at least that.. |
| 03:15:08 | scorche | =) |
| 03:15:15 | midkay | you'd think here, about 6 tries later, he'd have given up ;) |
| 03:15:24 | midkay | sharpe, hm, niceo. |
| 03:15:46 | sharpe | go me |
| 03:15:56 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:16:01 | midkay | :o:D:E |
| 03:16:05 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:16:15 | scorche | midkay: well..he makes me giggle too |
| 03:16:17 | sharpe | that's just... odd... |
| 03:16:24 | midkay | "what am i supposed to do with all my great ideas? put 'em in a tub and wash myself with 'em? cause that's what soap is for, lois." |
| 03:16:36 | midkay | scorche, ah, he used to, it's just getting old+mundane now.. |
| 03:16:57 | scorche | well....he finds ways |
| 03:17:12 | midkay | fortunately. |
| 03:17:16 | midkay | ... or is it? |
| 03:17:18 | scorche | it is |
| 03:17:23 | scorche | if only he did it more |
| 03:17:25 | sharpe | and the whole customization code takes... ~170 lines, including changed that need to be made to the original bootloader... |
| 03:17:34 | midkay | hyaaaaaa. |
| 03:18:08 | * | scorche deflects midkay's assault onto dongs |
| 03:18:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:18:29 | * | sharpe senses hostility |
| 03:18:49 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:18:54 | * | scorche bows before sharpe's observance skills |
| 03:18:55 | midkay | <qwm> just shut up you fucking cunt. i can't stand hearing more of your drivel dongs. |
| 03:18:57 | midkay | <dongs> ok qwm |
| 03:19:04 | scorche | o oooooo |
| 03:19:05 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:19:16 | scorche | bring up the one where badger got im! |
| 03:19:19 | midkay | 5/16/06. :D |
| 03:19:19 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:19:26 | midkay | "you're always wrong, but this time even more so" or something. :) |
| 03:19:46 | scorche | that was one of the times that he was amusing |
| 03:19:52 | midkay | yeah. |
| 03:20:08 | scorche | i mean really.....you remember the piece of software he was talking about? |
| 03:20:14 | midkay | you know that when Bagder calls you stupid, it's a pretty serious issue. |
| 03:20:16 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:20:23 | midkay | nah.. i try to forget these things. :) |
| 03:20:44 | | Quit hardeep ("[BX] Free sex with a BitchX upgrade! Call for details!") |
| 03:20:54 | qwm | try to forget the windoze you rely on so much, midkay |
| 03:20:54 | qwm | ;) |
| 03:21:14 | * | scorche urgently calls hardeep |
| 03:21:15 | midkay | try to eat your mother out. oh wait. you can't because she's a man. |
| 03:21:30 | sharpe | that's so lame... :D |
| 03:21:31 | midkay | and your dad's a woman. |
| 03:21:35 | midkay | gth, sharpe. |
| 03:21:35 | qwm | haha. |
| 03:21:36 | midkay | :p |
| 03:21:39 | sharpe | that one too :) |
| 03:22:16 | sharpe | hooray |
| 03:22:24 | sharpe | it works correctly when there's no boot.ini |
| 03:22:39 | midkay | that's so lame. |
| 03:23:04 | sharpe | it's so lame to talk about the lameness of a lame comment. |
| 03:23:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:23:45 | scorche | i would re-think that last statement sharpe |
| 03:23:45 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:23:55 | sharpe | yeah, i know. |
| 03:25:57 | sharpe | they're crumbelieveable. |
| 03:28:43 | midkay | you wanna know what's crumbelievable? |
| 03:28:45 | midkay | your.. code. |
| 03:28:51 | sharpe | ... |
| 03:28:57 | midkay | take that, yo. |
| 03:29:04 | midkay | now how you gonna act, son. |
| 03:29:11 | scorche | moer lik "code" amirite? |
| 03:29:18 | sharpe | you want to know what else is crumbelieveable? cookies. |
| 03:29:40 | sharpe | yeah. take that. you... daughter. |
| 03:30:06 | midkay | sh*******t, bi*atch. yo' momma'z so woman that she's a female, bro. |
| 03:30:15 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:31:24 | sharpe | so, wish to test the bootloader? or nay, just like every other code i give you? |
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| 03:31:37 | midkay | nay, of course. just for that. |
| 03:31:45 | schroeder | hi |
| 03:31:51 | midkay | you little ungrateful quack. after all the help i gave you in Factions. |
| 03:31:52 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:31:56 | sharpe | ... |
| 03:31:59 | sharpe | you didn't help me? |
| 03:32:07 | sharpe | schroeder: hello. |
| 03:32:12 | schroeder | i have a (n00b) question :) |
| 03:32:19 | scorche | then ask it =) |
| 03:32:20 | midkay | i just said i did. even if it was a lie. |
| 03:32:22 | sharpe | you've got questions, we've got answers. |
| 03:32:32 | midkay | sharpe has no answers, that clueluess little.. quack. |
| 03:32:33 | sharpe | oops. i'm infringing on a copyright. |
| 03:32:45 | schroeder | i just set up a devel environment using colinux |
| 03:32:57 | schroeder | and successfully (well i hope) build the sources |
| 03:32:59 | scorche | sure this si a n00b question? |
| 03:33:00 | scorche | :P |
| 03:33:03 | schroeder | :P |
| 03:33:10 | schroeder | but make zip doesnt worjk |
| 03:33:18 | schroeder | n00b question: why? |
| 03:33:19 | schroeder | :P |
| 03:33:27 | sharpe | does it give you any error? |
| 03:33:40 | schroeder | xargs: zip: No such file or directory |
| 03:33:43 | sharpe | well. |
| 03:33:59 | midkay | you're typing "make zip"? it needs to be in your builddir.. |
| 03:34:06 | schroeder | i am |
| 03:34:10 | sharpe | my guess, is zip either isn't in your path, or it isn't even in your environment. |
| 03:35:19 | sharpe | does any other zip-like thing work? like, "make bzip2" ? |
| 03:35:24 | schroeder | nope |
| 03:35:36 | schroeder | same error (with according name) |
| 03:35:40 | sharpe | make tar ? |
| 03:35:52 | midkay | schroeder, quite honestly, i think the colinux setup is probably a bit weird, i don't think anyone uses it anymore. the vmware image is very quick + extremely easy, you might want to try it instead. |
| 03:35:56 | sharpe | hehe... |
| 03:36:04 | schroeder | yep tar worked |
| 03:36:08 | sharpe | make tar... |
| 03:36:11 | sharpe | it's funny. |
| 03:36:17 | midkay | hyaaaaa. |
| 03:36:33 | * | scorche again deflects the blow onto dongs |
| 03:36:58 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:37:08 | * | scorche watches as dongs falls onto the floor and convulses |
| 03:37:13 | sharpe | i know what our motto can be, "you've got questions, we've got answers pertaining to the topic concering your question." |
| 03:37:19 | * | scorche watches as the people rejoice |
| 03:37:46 | scorche | sharpe: and provided you give us information other than "my ipod freezes" |
| 03:37:52 | sharpe | yes. |
| 03:38:28 | sharpe | so it's. "you've got questions, and provided you give a somewhat detailed explanation, we've got answers pertaining to the topic concerning your question." |
| 03:38:50 | schroeder | doH! |
| 03:39:10 | schroeder | zip wasnt installed...... |
| 03:40:00 | sharpe | told you. :) |
| 03:40:42 | schroeder | well, now that i figured that one out, rb development should be a piece of cake |
| 03:40:51 | schroeder | ;) |
| 03:41:26 | schroeder | so you were saying...vmware? |
| 03:41:29 | schroeder | free? |
| 03:43:47 | sharpe | yes |
| 03:44:28 | sharpe | midkay: are you suuuureee you don't want to try it? |
| 03:44:39 | midkay | i .. i.. |
| 03:44:40 | schroeder | really...hm..i ass-umed that was some $$$-app |
| 03:44:41 | midkay | need to reflash? |
| 03:44:47 | sharpe | ...? |
| 03:44:58 | midkay | schroeder, it is, but there is a free player.. |
| 03:45:18 | midkay | schroeder, check the wiki page. |
| 03:45:31 | midkay | sharpe, i need to reflash my ipod with a new loader? |
| 03:45:33 | midkay | alright, i'll try it.. |
| 03:45:41 | sharpe | it's not reflashing, but okay. |
| 03:45:49 | sharpe | you want the source, or just the binary? |
| 03:45:58 | midkay | oh. right.. not thinking. |
| 03:46:01 | midkay | binary works. |
| 03:46:03 | sharpe | 'kay |
| 03:47:21 | schroeder | midkay: thanks, i will. |
| 03:47:28 | sharpe | i hath sent it |
| 03:47:37 | midkay | np |
| 03:48:12 | midkay | how is it used?.. |
| 03:48:28 | sharpe | you mean... |
| 03:48:31 | sharpe | what it does? |
| 03:48:33 | sharpe | or... |
| 03:48:36 | sharpe | how it does it? |
| 03:48:43 | sharpe | or how to use the settings? |
| 03:48:54 | midkay | how is it used? not what does it do, or how does it work. |
| 03:48:54 | midkay | :) |
| 03:49:14 | sharpe | reads settings from /boot.ini |
| 03:49:44 | midkay | .. don't suppose you could tell me WHICH settings or how they're specified? |
| 03:49:59 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:50:15 | sharpe | fgcolor: 000000, bgcolor: ffffff |
| 03:50:24 | sharpe | watermark_1: blah, watermark_2: other line |
| 03:50:33 | midkay | thx. |
| 03:50:35 | midkay | :) |
| 03:50:40 | sharpe | boot_rockbox: default, boot_linux: play, boot_original: menu |
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| 03:52:16 | midkay | every setting should be on a newline |
| 03:52:16 | midkay | ? |
| 03:52:21 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:52:53 | midkay | testing, then.. |
| 03:53:50 | midkay | nice. :) |
| 03:53:53 | sharpe | :) |
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| 03:58:04 | sharpe | glad we could help them. |
| 03:58:32 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:59:09 | sharpe | now rockbox has it's own custom bootloader :) |
| 03:59:15 | sharpe | at least, for ipods. |
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| 04:00:23 | | Join EbErT [0] (n=44134f72@labb.contactor.se) |
| 04:00:44 | EbErT | hi all |
| 04:00:53 | sharpe | hi. |
| 04:01:05 | midkay | sharpe, what do you mean? we've always had our own bootloader. :) |
| 04:01:16 | EbErT | i'm having trouble w/ bootloader matter of fact |
| 04:01:29 | sharpe | custom as in, users can customize it |
| 04:01:46 | EbErT | i think its cuz i installed the one for ipod that natively boots to apple os |
| 04:01:55 | sharpe | uh huh |
| 04:02:08 | sharpe | and the problem? |
| 04:02:14 | midkay | sharpe, well then it's not rockbox that has its own custom bootloader, it's the users' that is custom. not that i think this will be accepted ;) |
| 04:02:24 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:02:34 | EbErT | i can't get it to go to the charge screen |
| 04:02:49 | EbErT | when plugged into the wall |
| 04:02:51 | sharpe | depends on your interpretation of how you read 'custom' |
| 04:03:04 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:03:13 | midkay | if you mean *customizable*, surel. |
| 04:03:15 | midkay | -l. |
| 04:03:26 | sharpe | EbErT: the bootloader doesn't handle the usb charging |
| 04:03:27 | EbErT | supposed to press menu as it starts, right? |
| 04:03:29 | midkay | custom implies that it has changed from standard, which it shouldn't by default. |
| 04:03:37 | sharpe | midkay: okay. you win. |
| 04:03:55 | EbErT | ooh, i was charging via firewire before, that's right |
| 04:03:58 | midkay | you say that like you're giving up.. e.g. you thought you could win. :) |
| 04:04:05 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:04:11 | midkay | .. |
| 04:04:22 | EbErT | durnit, and i gave away my firewire cable and adapter!! |
| 04:04:28 | EbErT | crap |
| 04:04:29 | sharpe | why? |
| 04:05:00 | EbErT | actually, sold it to my cousin. (and a 20g ipod) |
| 04:05:19 | sharpe | then it's all good then |
| 04:05:39 | EbErT | my photo one didn't come with firewire |
| 04:05:46 | EbErT | not really, can't get it from him |
| 04:05:59 | sharpe | then it's only semigood then. |
| 04:06:02 | EbErT | will it charge and play through the wall with firewire? |
| 04:06:05 | EbErT | right :/ |
| 04:06:57 | EbErT | i mean, u can't have wps screen on when its plugged into the wall |
| 04:07:10 | sharpe | ...? |
| 04:07:24 | EbErT | will it play and charge at the same time |
| 04:07:26 | sharpe | you can charge in rockbox... |
| 04:07:53 | | Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") |
| 04:07:54 | sharpe | whilst in rockbox, hold menu as you plug in the cable... |
| 04:08:10 | | Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:08:12 | EbErT | if you have a firewire cable.. |
| 04:08:53 | sharpe | it should work. |
| 04:09:29 | EbErT | have any idea what it would do with a car charger? should it work? |
| 04:09:43 | sharpe | yes... |
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| 04:10:56 | EbErT | oh, i misread this:EbErT: the bootloader doesn't handle the usb charging |
| 04:11:21 | sharpe | i bet fiftyfour123 lives in new york. and has road runner. |
| 04:11:29 | EbErT | i thought u mean the usb cable wont allow charge |
| 04:11:55 | sharpe | ah. |
| 04:12:01 | EbErT | yeah, sorry |
| 04:12:39 | sharpe | it's okay |
| 04:13:22 | sharpe | it's two times tuesday at dominoes today. |
| 04:13:34 | EbErT | mmm |
| 04:13:41 | EbErT | i hate papa john's sauce |
| 04:13:48 | EbErT | too durn sweet |
| 04:14:34 | sharpe | i'm a, pizza you find in the mall near me, kind of guy. |
| 04:14:55 | EbErT | thick or thin crust |
| 04:15:07 | sharpe | er, normal? |
| 04:15:20 | EbErT | heh |
| 04:15:24 | EbErT | playin it safe eh |
| 04:15:27 | sharpe | thin crust is just to... cardboard-like for me. |
| 04:15:47 | EbErT | u gotta get a good thin crust |
| 04:15:51 | EbErT | buttered down some |
| 04:15:56 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:16:24 | EbErT | haha, my grandmother is watching family guy, heard her turn it on |
| 04:17:09 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:17:48 | EbErT | gotta go see her watch it. thx for help again, as always |
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| 04:18:28 | sharpe | eh, helping people with rockbox gives you that, "i helped someone" feeling. |
| 04:18:39 | sharpe | partially because you helped them. |
| 04:18:57 | midkay | and why else? |
| 04:19:21 | sharpe | i'll tell you as soon as i think of it |
| 04:21:40 | midkay | bippity boppity gnome. |
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| 04:24:38 | | Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 04:24:52 | midkay | YES. FINALLY. |
| 04:25:06 | midkay | i've had my guildwars account for a year, today.. my warrior gets a b-day present. :D |
| 04:25:14 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:25:45 | midkay | damn, a necrid horseman. |
| 04:26:02 | sharpe | i should play guild wars sometime |
| 04:26:21 | midkay | disappoiiiiinting. :( |
| 04:26:27 | midkay | i wanted a titan. or a jade armor. |
| 04:26:34 | sharpe | need to finish that mission to become, "Weh no su" (?) |
| 04:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does the titan do? |
| 04:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I got one... |
| 04:27:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I logged in randomly recently, and it was all "Here, have this!" |
| 04:27:29 | sharpe | Paul, you've a nano, right? |
| 04:27:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 04:27:40 | sharpe | Wish to test the customizable bootloader? |
| 04:27:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:27:51 | sharpe | Damn. |
| 04:27:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have 0 interest in a customizable bootloader. |
| 04:28:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, cool, you play? |
| 04:28:09 | sharpe | needed to see if it works with nanos. |
| 04:28:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, a burning titan from the Ring of Fire areas.. love those. they're just little pet things, they don't really do anything. but some are worth much more. :) |
| 04:28:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Not much. Got stuck at a mission where people kept abandoning it after catching the elite skill in it, and leaving me stuck, so I kinda lost my taste for jerks. |
| 04:28:37 | schroeder | what does the customizable bl do? |
| 04:28:48 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, that's too bad... want some help? bored-ish. :) |
| 04:28:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I have the little burning titan. He looks kinda neat. |
| 04:28:53 | midkay | seriously? lucky bastard.. |
| 04:29:05 | sharpe | schroeder: lets you pick colors, text to be displayed while booting, and which keys boot what and which firmware is default. |
| 04:29:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the moment, I'm about to learn the Rockbox interface on the AJBRv1 |
| 04:29:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Batteries are charging. |
| 04:29:28 | midkay | ah, cool. |
| 04:29:42 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, what's your in-game name? |
| 04:29:44 | sharpe | i think i may play guild wars in a little bit... |
| 04:29:51 | schroeder | nice |
| 04:29:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know if there are known issues regarding the line out on AJBRv1? Is there any reason other than "It's broken" why it wouldn't get sound output? |
| 04:30:03 | schroeder | need testing on a 5G? |
| 04:30:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I don't remember. Which one do I give, any character name, or something else? |
| 04:30:29 | midkay | any character name works.. :) |
| 04:30:33 | sharpe | schroeder: nope, got it covered. twice :) |
| 04:30:37 | schroeder | :) k |
| 04:30:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Llorean Kal Avec (The name predates Guildwars and my forum account, but I'm somewhat fond of it.) |
| 04:31:18 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: i bet i know where the first part of that comes from. |
| 04:31:36 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:31:44 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, cool, added you to friends.. we should play sometime. :) |
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| 04:31:53 | sharpe | add me! :D |
| 04:31:56 | sharpe | lol... |
| 04:32:21 | * | scorche plays WoW |
| 04:32:38 | midkay | haha. the horseman's actually sorta cool.. |
| 04:33:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I just picked up factions, so I'll probably be playing that some after the move is a little more sorted out |
| 04:33:58 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah, awesome.. be glad to lend you a hand. been playing guild wars for like a year, factions i also got recently-ish (well, nearly a month ago). |
| 04:34:16 | sharpe | i've had factions longer :) yet midkay's farther in it. |
| 04:34:27 | midkay | i've had the original for longer, loser. :) |
| 04:34:30 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:34:41 | sharpe | i don't have the original. winner. |
| 04:34:51 | midkay | i win, sure. |
| 04:35:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've had the original since before day 1, but I kinda got burnt out from getting to 19 in less than a week, then failing this mission a couple hundred times |
| 04:35:24 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, know what mission off-hand? |
| 04:35:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some stupid one in the desert. |
| 04:35:41 | sharpe | i believe i got factions a day or two after it came out, i didn't know it until i read the release date... |
| 04:35:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a snake with an Elite skill that people always want to catch. |
| 04:35:44 | midkay | ah, a couple of those are a little tricky.. |
| 04:35:49 | midkay | haha. :\ |
| 04:35:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | The mission isn't particularly bad |
| 04:36:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless half your party quits as soon as they get the skill |
| 04:36:07 | midkay | nods |
| 04:36:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the AI are just stupid on it for some reason. They run off in some odd direction and pull EVERYTHING |
| 04:36:24 | midkay | hm, maybe fixed by now.. |
| 04:36:32 | midkay | though generally they suck anyways. :) |
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| 04:37:06 | midkay | extremely fun game with friends, even just one.. doesn't work out so well when you're playing alone or in a generally-stupid pick-up-group. |
| 04:37:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah, my friends didn't start playing 'till after I was burnt out. Actually, I've found the AI to be more reliable than humans in most cases. |
| 04:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But then, when I was playing Humans were Stupid. |
| 04:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd usually take a full team to take down my PVP character. I'm sure it's actually competitive now, and I suck by modern comparison. |
| 04:38:26 | midkay | haha. when you've played with a good/experienced/smart group your view on the AI may change a bit. :) |
| 04:38:48 | midkay | i was burnt out on it for a while, yeah.. factions changed that, though. |
| 04:39:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 04:39:47 | midkay | i bet the one you had trouble with was thirsy river (if that's the name for the one i'm thinking of).. |
| 04:39:53 | midkay | where you fought larger and larger groups of guys, right? |
| 04:40:45 | midkay | 1 group, then onto 2 groups, finally 3.. |
| 04:40:52 | midkay | one of my least favorites.. |
| 04:41:28 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 04:41:34 | sharpe | i think |
| 04:41:39 | sharpe | i may... go play factions.. |
| 04:41:52 | midkay | oooooooooo. |
| 04:44:25 | sharpe | i'm off to play! |
| 04:44:32 | midkay | yay :DDD |
| 04:47:49 | * | scorche is off to play dota |
| 04:48:03 | midkay | dota? |
| 04:48:22 | scorche | warIII custom map |
| 04:48:27 | scorche | very popular and fun |
| 04:48:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Don't think so. |
| 04:48:50 | midkay | ah. nice. |
| 04:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You had a time limit, if I recall. |
| 04:49:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hm.. ah, that one.. |
| 04:49:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wasn't terribly bad |
| 04:49:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The time limit didn't suck or anything |
| 04:49:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should've been a cake walk |
| 04:49:21 | midkay | the other "tricky" one of the three, compared to the other.. |
| 04:49:27 | midkay | yeah. |
| 04:49:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only thing "tricky" about it was when the AI wandered off and brought a whole branch down on you at once. |
| 04:50:10 | * | scorche sighs |
| 04:50:14 | * | midkay nods.. |
| 04:50:32 | * | scorche hates it when g/fs have that special time of the month |
| 04:50:35 | midkay | not a hard mission, nah.. but there's another in the desert that's even quite easier.. and another that's a bit harder. :) |
| 04:50:42 | midkay | haha. :E |
| 04:50:44 | scorche | especially when they are already psycho |
| 04:51:26 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:51:35 | scorche | i think this is the longest i have ever seen an off-topic conversation go this long in here |
| 04:51:55 | scorche | ...if that sentence made any sense |
| 04:52:05 | Galois | it's a sign that development is frozen |
| 04:52:06 | * | Galois runs |
| 04:52:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: If I recall I did the other two already. It's a trio that you have to complete, right? |
| 04:52:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been forever... |
| 04:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right, I'm supposed to be yelling about off topic convos. Right |
| 04:52:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, right, all three need to be beaten, then you can Ascend.. then you move on to the southern shiverpeaks, and finally the ring of fire. |
| 04:52:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shush, y'all. |
| 04:52:57 | midkay | three missions per each of those last two areas.. |
| 04:52:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 04:54:00 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: well, it worked |
| 04:54:08 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:54:08 | scorche | for a whole min! |
| 04:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, anyway, anyone know if I need to somehow enable the line-out on AJBRv1, or if it's likely just broken? |
| 04:56:02 | midkay | don't think it should need enabling.. |
| 04:56:07 | scorche | ditto |
| 04:56:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't assume it to |
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| 04:56:41 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: what are you connecting it to? |
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| 04:57:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Tape adapter for my car |
| 04:57:43 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i just plug it into my headphone port |
| 04:57:44 | hardeep | does the adapter take digital input? |
| 04:57:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Y'know, I'm stupid |
| 04:58:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really stupid |
| 04:58:03 | scorche | i have not seen one that does |
| 04:58:05 | scorche | lol |
| 04:58:08 | scorche | figures |
| 04:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I misread the "Line In" to say "Line Out" |
| 04:58:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not even the digital one |
| 04:58:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one on the bottom. |
| 04:58:33 | scorche | hey...that does say in |
| 04:58:52 | scorche | =P |
| 04:59:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Another question, since you're here: If the charger is plugged in, I should see a charging indicator where the battery status normally is on the status bar, right? |
| 04:59:32 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: rockbox on or off? |
| 04:59:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: On. |
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| 05:00:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, next to, actually.. |
| 05:00:20 | midkay | a plug icon next to the battery along with the battery animating itself. |
| 05:00:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, mine's not charging. |
| 05:00:22 | scorche | what he said.. |
| 05:00:25 | scorche | i am too slow today... |
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| 05:00:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there a most likely cause for failure to charge? |
| 05:01:11 | midkay | broken plug thingamajig> |
| 05:01:14 | midkay | ?* |
| 05:01:30 | midkay | not especially uncommon.. did you try wiggling it? |
| 05:01:31 | scorche | not plugged into wall? |
| 05:01:34 | scorche | =P |
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| 05:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have nothing with which to test the charger, unfortunately |
| 05:02:03 | hardeep | i remember seeing people report problems with the charging circuit |
| 05:02:21 | hardeep | oftern requiring resoldering of something |
| 05:02:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that the battery connectors thing? |
| 05:03:02 | midkay | right, maybe the adapter receptacle thing.. |
| 05:03:40 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: with the battery connector problem you'd see other problems (not starting up, music not playing, etc.) |
| 05:03:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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| 05:07:26 | hardeep | btw, you might want to try with a different charger if possible... may not be a problem with the device |
| 05:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:07:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I intend to |
| 05:07:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a multi-charger somewhere around here. Anything I should know about safe input? |
| 05:08:33 | hardeep | my charger is 9v 1200mA and works fine |
| 05:08:41 | hardeep | i've heard that 12v is okay too |
| 05:08:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 05:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is only 300mA. =/ |
| 05:09:23 | hardeep | the stock charger that came with my device was 600mA |
| 05:09:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:09:31 | scorche | stock is 9v 600 mA |
| 05:09:34 | scorche | grrrr |
| 05:09:37 | scorche | i give up |
| 05:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | 300 should be enough to determine if it's drawing power or not though, right? |
| 05:10:40 | hardeep | you'd think |
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| 05:11:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes! |
| 05:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It shows charging icon. |
| 05:11:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, so, dead charger |
| 05:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Horrible batteries |
| 05:11:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both issues resolved |
| 05:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | The player itself is in near-mint condition other than that. :) |
| 05:12:01 | hardeep | nice |
| 05:13:43 | hardeep | you may never go back to the iRiver/iPod =) |
| 05:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm somewhat fond of having multiple file formats supported. ;) |
| 05:14:27 | * | scorche lubs his archos |
| 05:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Next question: Anyone got a link to the 8mb mod instructions? Won't be doing it soon, but it's on the list of things to consider and I'd like to read up on it. A cursory search failed me. |
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| 05:16:03 | hardeep | http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/8mb_ram_en.html |
| 05:16:11 | scorche | http://www.uwe-freese.de/hardware-projekte/rockbox/8mb_ram_en.html |
| 05:16:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thank you muchly |
| 05:16:15 | scorche | $#@%@#$@# |
| 05:16:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 05:16:31 | hardeep | although, you get pretty impressive battery life even without the mod |
| 05:16:33 | scorche | ok...i really give up now |
| 05:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: I just put 2650 batteries into it. :) |
| 05:16:50 | scorche | hardeep: not on VBR i have noticed |
| 05:17:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | After prying the cold, lifeless, terrifying original green batteries from it. |
| 05:17:28 | scorche | it accesses about every 5 sec or so |
| 05:17:28 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:17:48 | hardeep | scorche: hmmm, that doesn't sound right |
| 05:18:02 | scorche | well....i do have an older build on atm |
| 05:18:12 | hardeep | do you have your # of files in playlist/directory settings set to a really high value? |
| 05:18:29 | scorche | if i go view the audio thread, it is set at about 7/8 |
| 05:19:09 | scorche | yes...but i have a crap load of music as well |
| 05:19:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmmm... |
| 05:19:43 | hardeep | scorche: that just means you need to have it organized better =) i have ~5000 tracks on my player and stick with defaults for both |
| 05:19:52 | hardeep | could probably reduce it in fact |
| 05:20:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm tempted to go ahead 'n flash it. I assume that'll drastically reduce boot time? |
| 05:20:35 | scorche | well, lemme get a newer build, and lower the limits, and get back to you |
| 05:20:57 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: yes, significantly |
| 05:21:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm |
| 05:21:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm tempted to wait until WAV playback is in the core. |
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| 05:22:09 | midkay | to flash? |
| 05:22:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:22:13 | midkay | why? |
| 05:22:32 | hardeep | i agree with midkay, you should go ahead and do it... |
| 05:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't really _need_ to flash, as it's hardly going to be my primary use player. |
| 05:22:35 | hardeep | it's very safe |
| 05:22:50 | midkay | quite safe, simple.. nothing will change when WAV playback is integrated.. |
| 05:22:57 | midkay | :) |
| 05:23:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd have to reflash when WAV is integrated though, right? |
| 05:23:14 | midkay | no, no.. |
| 05:23:22 | midkay | reflashing after the first time is.. entirely safe. |
| 05:23:29 | midkay | then you get an iPod-like safety bootloader.. |
| 05:23:34 | midkay | and just reflash a smaller portion. |
| 05:23:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, reflashing the first time should be pretty damn safe too, shouldn't it? |
| 05:24:01 | midkay | yeah, not entirely impossible to screw up, but it's impossible to screw up after the first time.. :) |
| 05:24:05 | hardeep | very, haven't heard of anyone bricking in over 4 years |
| 05:24:09 | midkay | i don't think we've had a legit case of screwup, have we? |
| 05:24:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think thought that I'll wait until I have a power adapter I'm sure I can rely on at least |
| 05:24:21 | midkay | one guy screwed his box by flashing with another model or something.. |
| 05:24:35 | midkay | on purpose, no less. |
| 05:25:18 | midkay | if your batteries are > ~50%, it's fine, but of course your decision |
| 05:25:50 | midkay | the first flash is scary, i've had to do it a couple times.. but after that it's very "aahhh" :) |
| 05:25:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Point me to instructions then. |
| 05:26:01 | midkay | 2sec startup or so :) |
| 05:26:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's technically not my player. And I *might* have to return it someday |
| 05:26:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or my brother could forget I have it. |
| 05:26:25 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox |
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| 05:26:27 | midkay | here we go.. |
| 05:26:28 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:26:44 | midkay | let's hope the latter :) |
| 05:27:11 | midkay | but by now the procedure is very safe, lots of checks for integrity and stuff.. |
| 05:27:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | He hasn't used his device in *years* so he'll probably forget if I don't remind him |
| 05:27:45 | hardeep | even a blind man can do it, literally: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFlashing |
| 05:28:27 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:28:29 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:29:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do I download one of the flash content files from that page, or are newer ones available somewhere? |
| 05:30:28 | midkay | you can compile them i believe, but they aren't in daily builds.. |
| 05:30:30 | midkay | so those should be latest. |
| 05:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok |
| 05:34:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rombox is too big. :( |
| 05:35:45 | midkay | really? |
| 05:35:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it tells me. |
| 05:35:53 | midkay | did you get one from the daily builds? |
| 05:35:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 05:36:11 | midkay | that's weird, it was sized down recently.. |
| 05:36:30 | midkay | rockbox.ucl it is.. :\ |
| 05:36:36 | midkay | not a very large difference anyways. |
| 05:37:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can I remove ajbrec.whatever? |
| 05:37:17 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:37:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought so. |
| 05:38:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, all flashed and happy |
| 05:38:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The battery charging screen is odd... |
| 05:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It says 8% |
| 05:39:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that remaining or something? |
| 05:39:29 | midkay | mm, no.. give it a moment perhaps.. |
| 05:40:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's a side-effect of my new charger or something... |
| 05:40:24 | midkay | possibly.. yeah.. |
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| 05:47:22 | scorche | hardeep: was looking through some things... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart is slightly wrong.....the "Recorder (v1)" came in at least 15s also....not just 20s |
| 05:49:00 | midkay | then fix it. |
| 05:49:00 | midkay | :) |
| 05:49:28 | scorche | the chart is wrong, but the footnotes say "seems to be" |
| 05:49:32 | scorche | midkay: i am lazy |
| 05:50:10 | midkay | haha. |
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| 05:52:15 | scorche | fine.....lol |
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| 06:37:25 | sharpe | i'm back! |
| 06:37:44 | * | scorche groans |
| 06:37:55 | sharpe | and i have pez. |
| 06:37:55 | midkay | argh.. |
| 06:38:41 | sharpe | yeh. everyone loves me. |
| 06:38:55 | scorche | cannot copy rockbox: the file or directory is corrupt or unreadable |
| 06:38:57 | scorche | argh indeed |
| 06:39:07 | scorche | <3 windows |
| 06:39:14 | scorche | </sarcasm> |
| 06:39:34 | sharpe | using the built-in zip functionality? |
| 06:40:07 | scorche | no...using the built-in drag-and-drop-into-explorer functionality =P |
| 06:40:14 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:40:28 | scorche | i dont wanna boot into linux atm though =( |
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| 06:44:14 | mongey | amiconn you found the battery problem right? |
| 06:44:52 | midkay | he did |
| 06:44:57 | midkay | and i believe he's asleep. |
| 06:45:02 | mongey | ah |
| 06:45:22 | mongey | Just like that chip will |
| 06:45:24 | mongey | :P |
| 06:45:43 | midkay | ha.... |
| 06:45:44 | midkay | :p |
| 06:45:45 | midkay | :) |
| 06:45:55 | sharpe | i'm in a good mood. |
| 06:46:04 | midkay | quoi? |
| 06:46:23 | sharpe | i get to go visit a friend i haven't seen for christmas this friday. and saturday. and partially sunday. |
| 06:46:52 | mongey | ah your french midkay? ive got a french test this morning :P |
| 06:46:52 | sharpe | gah. |
| 06:46:53 | sharpe | since. |
| 06:46:58 | midkay | nice. |
| 06:47:07 | midkay | mongey, nah, just.. nearly done with a second year of learning it. :) |
| 06:47:23 | mongey | ah |
| 06:47:34 | mongey | 3rd year here |
| 06:47:57 | midkay | nice. |
| 06:48:16 | sharpe | lets write a scripting language for rockbox. we can call it scriptbox. ahahahah. |
| 06:48:22 | midkay | ha. |
| 06:48:29 | sharpe | i am such a comical genius. |
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| 06:49:00 | mongey | :P |
| 06:49:18 | scorche | i had 3 years of french....that ended about 3 years ago |
| 06:49:28 | scorche | =) |
| 06:50:13 | sharpe | you know, that means six years ago you were going to have three years of french. |
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| 06:50:31 | scorche | what about it? |
| 06:51:08 | sharpe | that was it. |
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| 06:51:55 | scorche | alright. |
| 06:52:16 | sharpe | okay then. |
| 06:52:22 | scorche | uh huh.\ |
| 06:53:10 | sharpe | fine. |
| 06:53:31 | scorche | yup. |
| 06:54:01 | sharpe | aye. |
| 06:54:25 | scorche | ragafruga. |
| 06:54:42 | sharpe | okay. |
| 06:54:54 | scorche | havada oncles. |
| 06:55:43 | sharpe | ok. |
| 06:55:59 | scorche | =D. |
| 06:56:20 | sharpe | i'm bored. |
| 06:56:28 | midkay | factions? |
| 06:57:00 | sharpe | nah... |
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| 07:55:14 | amiconn | Good morning :) |
| 07:55:52 | amiconn | Hmm, Paul_The_Nerd is gone :/ |
| 07:56:18 | amiconn | If rombox was too big for him, he did *not* use the latest flashing instructions + files |
| 07:57:00 | amiconn | We definitely have too many places where flashing info is scattered nowadays |
| 07:57:15 | mongey | amiconn |
| 07:57:17 | mongey | :D |
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| 07:58:51 | mongey | amiconn: how far are you along in putting that chip to rest? |
| 07:59:12 | amiconn | I have written no code to actually do that, |
| 07:59:29 | amiconn | but the biggest problem was that we were unable to actually talk to the chip |
| 07:59:37 | mongey | ah |
| 07:59:40 | amiconn | This is solved now. |
| 07:59:47 | * | mongey nods |
| 07:59:55 | amiconn | I hope to be able to whip up something tonight |
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| 08:00:07 | finik | guys, does anybody know where do I put julius full screen logo (http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/custom-rockbox-boot-logo-for-ipod.html#links) |
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| 08:01:28 | mongey | which dap? |
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| 09:05:53 | moda|ASOT | YO GUYS! |
| 09:05:55 | moda|ASOT | i got my iriver h340 working :) |
| 09:05:57 | moda|ASOT | YAY |
| 09:06:12 | moda|ASOT | got a replacement 40gb from a h140, plugged it into my h340 and it works a charm :) |
| 09:06:23 | moda|ASOT | reformatting the hdd, so i can put my music on it now :) |
| 09:06:24 | moda|ASOT | w00t! |
| 09:06:46 | JdGordon | well done |
| 09:06:58 | JdGordon | so the hdd was dead? |
| 09:09:14 | moda|ASOT | yea |
| 09:09:33 | moda|ASOT | but the guy who sold it to me only included the h140, he said he sold the accessories ages ago :p |
| 09:09:48 | moda|ASOT | so now i have a dead h140 with no hdd and a dead 40gb hdd |
| 09:10:03 | moda|ASOT | after the holidays, ill put the original firmware back on it and get it rmad :) :p |
| 09:10:49 | JdGordon | wanna let any of your 4 remotes go to a good home yet? |
| 09:11:07 | petur | haha |
| 09:11:14 | moda|ASOT | now i only got a h340 non lcd, a h320 non lcd and a h120 lcd :p |
| 09:11:25 | moda|ASOT | and im keeping both non lcds for resale value :p |
| 09:11:35 | moda|ASOT | and my sister is using the h120 lcd.... so i dunno |
| 09:12:19 | * | JdGordon woul kill for a remote.. even non-lcd.. |
| 09:12:25 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 09:12:27 | JdGordon | .. and is willing to travel north to do so :D |
| 09:12:38 | * | amiconn spots petur |
| 09:12:40 | moda|ASOT | how should i do the format? format it in the iriver software or using the xp software? |
| 09:13:03 | amiconn | petur: Did you read last night's log? I had a little chat with our friend the ISP1362 :D |
| 09:13:19 | JdGordon | dont do it in xp, max of 32gb parititon then |
| 09:13:29 | moda|ASOT | ah, mk |
| 09:13:30 | JdGordon | well done amiconn |
| 09:13:54 | moda|ASOT | now i gotta clean my iriver :p |
| 09:14:04 | * | amiconn is itching to write the isp power-down code |
| 09:14:17 | moda|ASOT | Format... Don't Touch..... lol |
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| 09:14:30 | moda|ASOT | its done already |
| 09:14:32 | moda|ASOT | wtf? |
| 09:14:42 | petur | amiconn: yay! |
| 09:14:44 | JdGordon | quick format |
| 09:14:54 | * | petur goes to read the log |
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| 09:15:25 | moda|ASOT | lol, my sisters iriver now has 2000 songs.... thats almost as much as me and i have 20gb more... lol |
| 09:16:31 | * | moda|ASOT goes to put shit (ahem.... music) on his iriver |
| 09:19:09 | aliask | JdGordon: Want my non-lcd h300 remote? |
| 09:19:30 | JdGordon | as long as it work... |
| 09:20:05 | aliask | Let me see if I can find it. |
| 09:20:53 | petur | amiconn: nice job, I would have never found out about that CS - not even suspected something like that |
| 09:21:57 | petur | amiconn: does that mean that CS3 normally acts on 2 hardware pins? |
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| 09:22:52 | petur | amiconn: and are you full awake already? :D |
| 09:24:17 | moda|ASOT | shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit |
| 09:24:26 | moda|ASOT | i think i lost my armin van buuren collection :( NOOOOO! |
| 09:25:52 | amiconn | petur: Yes and yes |
| 09:26:03 | petur | ;) |
| 09:26:21 | amiconn | CS3 is primarily meant for connecting flash media |
| 09:27:09 | amiconn | The other pin, /SWE, is shared with GPIO12, but GPIO12 is already taken for the PCF I²C |
| 09:28:01 | moda|ASOT | :( |
| 09:28:23 | petur | amiconn: btw, 5 hours sleep are not enough for me atm, my health level is <100% and suffering from the heat (>25degrees celcius) |
| 09:28:30 | moda|ASOT | SHITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:28:39 | moda|ASOT | i just found a dead pixel on my 20" widescreen |
| 09:28:42 | moda|ASOT | ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:28:57 | * | petur hands moda|ASOT tons of toilet paper |
| 09:29:15 | * | moda|ASOT cries |
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| 09:30:42 | * | moda|ASOT crumples it up and throws it at petur, and then cries some more |
| 09:31:00 | scorche | emo... |
| 09:31:07 | scorche | go cut yourself! |
| 09:31:38 | petur | dead pixels are no rma reason unless you have a bunch of them or some very close to each other |
| 09:31:40 | * | moda|ASOT stabs scorche.... am not |
| 09:31:59 | moda|ASOT | i know petur, i only just noticed it, its one single red pixel on the left side of the screen |
| 09:32:13 | petur | it's a dead pixel alright? no small bit of dust? |
| 09:32:27 | moda|ASOT | its a stuck pixel |
| 09:32:36 | scorche | i find it amusing when people tell me that they had a dead pixel form on them |
| 09:33:39 | * | amiconn likes that summer has finally arrived |
| 09:34:08 | * | moda|ASOT likes that winter is upon us and its skiing season |
| 09:34:19 | amiconn | 21 °C right now, up to 32 °C today |
| 09:34:31 | moda|ASOT | lol, it was 10 degrees today |
| 09:34:32 | petur | last night 30 degr in my home - way to much |
| 09:34:38 | moda|ASOT | where is that amiconn? |
| 09:34:43 | amiconn | Berlin |
| 09:34:49 | scorche | it was 90 degrees here today |
| 09:34:56 | * | scorche mumbles something about euros |
| 09:35:10 | moda|ASOT | amiconn: you watched the world cup? |
| 09:35:13 | moda|ASOT | well, so far |
| 09:35:15 | moda|ASOT | atleast |
| 09:35:18 | amiconn | Nope |
| 09:35:21 | moda|ASOT | australia won :) w00t! |
| 09:35:33 | amiconn | I don't care about it |
| 09:35:34 | * | moda|ASOT prods scorche.... damn american |
| 09:35:34 | petur | I bet he was watching the isp1362 |
| 09:36:12 | moda|ASOT | suffering from the heat (>25degrees celcius) <−−−− LOL |
| 09:36:16 | moda|ASOT | 25 degrees isnt heat |
| 09:36:26 | petur | it is for me |
| 09:36:34 | petur | can't stand it |
| 09:36:37 | moda|ASOT | (basically) every single day in summer here is over 30 degrees ;) |
| 09:36:56 | scorche | quit making me do conversions! |
| 09:36:57 | scorche | bah |
| 09:37:03 | moda|ASOT | rofl scorche |
| 09:37:26 | * | moda|ASOT installs rockbox on his new iriver hdd :) |
| 09:37:32 | scorche | i think in C in chemistry and electronics....but not for weather ='( |
| 09:38:18 | moda|ASOT | im guessing rb3.0 isnt out yet? |
| 09:38:33 | * | scorche opens door #3 |
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| 09:40:52 | petur | I bet temperatures are much better in Sweden |
| 09:41:04 | moda|ASOT | wow, rb experimental is upto 2.7 :O |
| 09:41:10 | B4gder | we're in heat shock in Sweden |
| 09:41:11 | moda|ASOT | last time i downloaded it was 2.2 |
| 09:41:12 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 09:41:20 | * | moda|ASOT celebrates |
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| 09:42:03 | JdGordon | B4gder: wanna swap then? its bloody 10C atm |
| 09:42:17 | B4gder | hey |
| 09:42:19 | JdGordon | unless 10C is a heat wave in sweden :D |
| 09:42:20 | * | petur wants to swap |
| 09:42:21 | B4gder | we know cold up here |
| 09:42:43 | moda|ASOT | lol JdGordon.... melbourne |
| 09:42:43 | * | JdGordon hates the cold |
| 09:42:45 | B4gder | we had 100+ days of uninterupted snow on the ground this winter |
| 09:42:53 | JdGordon | umm.. congrats? |
| 09:43:05 | moda|ASOT | i wish it snowed in queensland :| |
| 09:43:09 | B4gder | we deserve our 30C now ;-) |
| 09:43:33 | aliask | i love melbourne weather |
| 09:43:35 | moda|ASOT | anyone got vista? |
| 09:44:17 | JdGordon | at least its not raining here.. |
| 09:44:31 | JdGordon | or freezing winds straight from antarctica |
| 09:45:08 | petur | JdGordon: stop teasing me |
| 09:45:12 | moda|ASOT | JdGordon: try playing waterpolo while getting freezing winds.... when the ambient temp is 12 degrees :| |
| 09:45:22 | moda|ASOT | not pleasent |
| 09:45:29 | JdGordon | na, that doesnt sound fun at all |
| 09:45:38 | moda|ASOT | fuck oath |
| 09:48:56 | * | petur fails to crawl into a fridge at work :/ |
| 09:49:57 | * | moda|ASOT unplugs the fridge :p |
| 09:50:38 | moda|ASOT | sigh... :| |
| 09:50:43 | * | JdGordon turns the heater to 26C :D |
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| 09:51:31 | * | moda|ASOT turns the heater to 30C :D |
| 09:52:06 | petur | good thing that an irc channel is a good insulator :p |
| 09:52:41 | moda|ASOT | i wanna go back to europe :p |
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| 09:53:12 | moda|ASOT | i cant wait until the 2nd of july tho.... i get to go to sheepworld :) |
| 09:53:19 | JdGordon | nz? |
| 09:53:25 | moda|ASOT | yea :) |
| 09:53:33 | JdGordon | going for some skiing? |
| 09:53:44 | moda|ASOT | hell yes :) |
| 09:54:08 | JdGordon | dads fav joke atm... why are kiwis weaking kilts now? |
| 09:54:23 | moda|ASOT | no idea |
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| 09:54:34 | JdGordon | sheeps got used to the sound of the zipper :D |
| 09:54:40 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 09:54:58 | * | moda|ASOT »» WinAmp «» Armin van Buuren - Live from Asta, The Hague (2006) - A State Of Trance Episode 250 «» 53:39/510:14 [|−−−−−−−−−−−−-] «» 192 kbps mp3 «« |
| 09:55:01 | moda|ASOT | oh yea |
| 09:56:11 | moda|ASOT | wtf 60mins to copy 10gb of music... sif |
| 09:57:02 | ScoTTie_ | good epi :> |
| 09:57:16 | ScoTTie_ | is that all 8 hours? |
| 09:57:19 | moda|ASOT | oh yea |
| 09:57:25 | ScoTTie_ | ive only got 5 of it :( |
| 09:57:56 | moda|ASOT | lol |
| 09:58:02 | moda|ASOT | its great stuff |
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| 10:36:37 | JdGordon | i thought there was no malloc? whats buffer_alloc() ? |
| 10:43:13 | linuxstb | It's for boot-time allocation of memory. |
| 10:43:53 | linuxstb | I think it can only be used before audio playback is initialised, and the memory can't be free'ed. |
| 10:45:16 | JdGordon | i realised adding a seek start/end time to the playlist_track_info struct would be useless :p it hardly ever used |
| 10:49:20 | amiconn | LinusN: May I ask you to do some H300 tracing? |
| 10:49:28 | amiconn | I found some pin |
| 10:49:55 | amiconn | s that probably are USBOTG related in the disassembly |
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| 10:58:40 | LinusN | amiconn: i spent some time on the train this morning tracing some signals |
| 10:58:53 | LinusN | my fellow passengers gave me strange looks |
| 10:59:04 | LinusN | (beeep) ... (beeep)... |
| 10:59:07 | markun | :) |
| 10:59:23 | LinusN | gpio63 is the PSTCLK pin |
| 10:59:26 | aliask | hahaha :) |
| 10:59:49 | LinusN | it is set to a low output, probably to reduce interference |
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| 11:00:07 | LinusN | and maybe even to save some power |
| 11:00:34 | amiconn | LinusN: The most interesting signals are (1) GPIO53 (most probably USB +5V control - but where is this connected?) |
| 11:00:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You possibly want to add it to the mp3entry struct (firmware/export/id3.h) - that's the main struct used by the playback.c code. But the decision will be to have one of those structs per file, or one per sub-track. My feeling is that one per file could be the way to go (a lot of the fields will be the same for all sub-tracks), but I haven't really thought about it. |
| 11:01:01 | amiconn | (2) GPIO39 _out_ and GPIO38 _out_ |
| 11:01:03 | LinusN | amiconn: i traced that once upon a time, but i lost my notes. i'll do it again |
| 11:01:12 | amiconn | (the corresponding _in_ signals are known |
| 11:01:23 | LinusN | 39 out is mclk1, probably set to low output for the same reasons as 63 |
| 11:01:59 | amiconn | (3) GPIO26 |
| 11:02:13 | LinusN | 26 goes to an unmounted resistor, r26 |
| 11:02:22 | LinusN | i didn't find out where it went |
| 11:03:31 | amiconn | The iriver firmware sets all mentioned pins to GPIO out |
| 11:04:34 | LinusN | i'll try again to find 53 and 26 |
| 11:04:46 | amiconn | Also interesting: PCF50606 GPOOD3 |
| 11:04:52 | LinusN | ok |
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| 11:07:01 | tucoz | markun, are you here? |
| 11:07:13 | LinusN | btw, gpio21 goes to the isp1362 OTGMODE pin |
| 11:07:39 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, the freescale recommended way to quiesce PSTCLK & friend is setting bit 17 of the CSD register |
| 11:09:48 | markun | tucoz: yes |
| 11:10:05 | LinusN | amiconn: yeah, i remember reading that somewhere |
| 11:10:11 | tucoz | should I commit the new logo? |
| 11:10:21 | LinusN | the new logo? |
| 11:10:24 | tucoz | hehe |
| 11:10:26 | markun | Did you get it to work? |
| 11:10:30 | tucoz | yes, as a pdf |
| 11:10:38 | tucoz | LinusN, a svg logo for the manual |
| 11:10:44 | tucoz | don't worry |
| 11:10:57 | markun | Hm, I think it needs some more work |
| 11:11:05 | linuxstb | markun: Did you create the svg file yourself? |
| 11:11:29 | markun | linuxstb: with The Gimp, autotrace and sodipodi. |
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| 11:12:03 | tucoz | ok. when you are finished, you can commit it yourself if you want. Just save it as an .eps (e.g. with inkscape) and run the epstopdf command |
| 11:12:10 | tucoz | *then run |
| 11:12:35 | markun | ok |
| 11:12:36 | tucoz | and change the path in frontpage.tex to the new pdf |
| 11:12:44 | markun | Have to go to work now |
| 11:12:45 | linuxstb | markun: It looks great to me - nice job. |
| 11:12:54 | tucoz | yes, very nice |
| 11:13:32 | markun | It has a lot of redundant points and round corners which should not be round |
| 11:13:40 | linuxstb | I guess we should put both the .svg and .pdf versions in CVS? |
| 11:14:03 | tucoz | I think so too |
| 11:14:29 | markun | tucoz: well, if you think it's good enough you can commit it now and I will update it later |
| 11:14:52 | linuxstb | If my opinion counts, I think it's more than good enough. |
| 11:15:01 | tucoz | Ok. Then I'll do that. It saves us another 220K off the manual |
| 11:15:10 | linuxstb | Ouch... |
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| 11:23:33 | tucoz | oh, svg is a plain text file format. Should I commit that file without the -kb flags then? |
| 11:23:58 | B4gder | I doubt it matters much |
| 11:24:17 | B4gder | as even small edits are bound to change a lot of it |
| 11:24:17 | tucoz | You are probably right |
| 11:24:33 | tucoz | the diff would make little sence as well |
| 11:24:42 | B4gder | exactly |
| 11:25:06 | amiconn | svg is xml based |
| 11:25:20 | B4gder | ... and xml is terrible to diff |
| 11:30:42 | Mikachu | there's no point in committing it as binary just because the diffs won't make sense |
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| 11:31:02 | linuxstb | PDF can also be plain text, but I think changing line-endings will break the internal byte indexes, so that should be binary. |
| 11:34:15 | amiconn | PDF is almost always compressed |
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| 11:35:55 | Mikachu | why does the viewcvs script crap out on new files? ie http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/frontpage/rockboxlogo3.svg |
| 11:36:10 | Mikachu | or maybe it's binary files |
| 11:37:01 | amiconn | viewcvs has probelms with all newer commits since a few weeks ago |
| 11:37:09 | amiconn | Probably some recent change in cvs |
| 11:37:19 | amiconn | B4gder? |
| 11:38:19 | LinusN | we know what the problem is, and we need to upgrade viewvc |
| 11:38:28 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 11:51:30 | B4gder | funnily enough, I could patch an older viewcvs to work |
| 11:51:46 | B4gder | but the one we have at rockbox is newer and python hurts my brain |
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| 11:55:02 | Mikachu | i had a 3d graphics programming course last semester, in python |
| 11:55:25 | Mikachu | it only had half a lecture about python at the start |
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| 11:56:30 | B4gder | 'they actually guided me toward RockBox for an "alternative" firmware,' |
| 11:56:32 | B4gder | ! |
| 11:56:41 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4778 |
| 11:56:47 | B4gder | they being iriver nordic |
| 11:59:54 | merbanan | :) well everything to get happy customers |
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| 12:03:18 | B4gder | is that also why they stopped making the good players? ;-) |
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| 12:11:55 | LinusN | the customers don't need to be happy, as long as they pay |
| 12:12:39 | LinusN | on the contrary, the customer needs to be a little unsatisfied, so he/she upgrades to the next model every now and then |
| 12:12:58 | B4gder | "oh yes we promise we have it fixed when you buy our new model" |
| 12:13:22 | B4gder | "... oh, not quite this time either but if you just buy the next one we can almost promise" |
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| 12:22:10 | JdGordon | rant time... im doing uni full time atm.. anyway, ive just done my timetable for next semester. 9 contact hours per week, 5 subjects and uni wont let you do any more than 5! love their definition of full time. because of this idiocy I have an extra semesetr for 2 subjects :'( |
| 12:22:40 | moda|ASOT | rofl JdGordon |
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| 12:43:29 | tucoz | bluebrother: in case you got the time, and got access to the manual source. I just noticed that the page-foot for e.g. i120 is not looking too good after my change to playername in the preamble |
| 12:47:49 | Febs | Suggestion for the channel topic: "Yes, don't worry, we're working on it." From http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4221.msg36239#new |
| 12:48:08 | Mode | "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 12:48:30 | Topic | "Rockbox 3.0? Yes, we're working on it." by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) |
| 12:48:50 | JdGordon | are we? i thought it was canceled? |
| 12:49:01 | B4gder | it wasn't |
| 12:49:08 | B4gder | we've talked about it though |
| 12:49:20 | preglow | what is the progress on the power issue? |
| 12:49:22 | preglow | h3x0, that is |
| 12:49:49 | amiconn | preglow: I'm planning to write the powerdown code tonight |
| 12:49:57 | JdGordon | u da maan amiconn :D |
| 12:50:02 | amiconn | I managed to access the chip last night :) |
| 12:50:04 | preglow | amiconn: you've got a clear picture of the how and what of it? |
| 12:50:20 | amiconn | Yes |
| 12:50:23 | preglow | excellent |
| 12:50:31 | preglow | goodie, goodie |
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| 13:00:57 | preglow | so perhaps we'll exceed iriver runtimes also on h3x0 |
| 13:00:59 | preglow | that'd rock |
| 13:01:21 | B4gder | it would |
| 13:02:11 | preglow | amiconn: you did find that the cpu was cooler with rockbox than retail, yes? |
| 13:02:47 | preglow | i wonder if this problem is also what makes some ipods have sucky runtime |
| 13:03:24 | amiconn | Yes, the CPU was a tiny bit cooler under rockbox than under retail |
| 13:03:37 | preglow | i wonder how they manage it |
| 13:03:41 | preglow | with their kickass mp3 decoder |
| 13:03:48 | amiconn | Not very significant because it was ony ~1 °C |
| 13:04:13 | amiconn | ..but still somehow expected since we also exceed iriver runtime claims on H1x0 |
| 13:04:52 | amiconn | I'd guess iriver doesn't use sleep mode when there's nothing to do for the CPU |
| 13:05:08 | preglow | and i'd guess sleep mode doesn't trigger very often during playback in rockbox anyway |
| 13:05:12 | amiconn | It wouldn't surprise me at all. |
| 13:05:42 | amiconn | Archos did the same stupid thing, leading to the Ondio having significantly less runtime than they promised |
| 13:05:57 | amiconn | Rockbox actually fulfills archos' promise |
| 13:08:30 | amiconn | preglow: Our mp3 decoder is quite efficient now. I'd expect sleep mode to trigger every now and then |
| 13:08:47 | tucoz | is the h3x0 power issues the only real showstopper that is left? |
| 13:08:55 | tucoz | issue |
| 13:09:00 | preglow | mno |
| 13:09:06 | preglow | still a number of bugs left |
| 13:09:07 | tucoz | sort of? |
| 13:09:13 | preglow | and i think voice ui is really flakey |
| 13:09:22 | tucoz | ah, voice yes. |
| 13:09:27 | amiconn | Playback still has numerous bugs |
| 13:09:53 | amiconn | Just encountered one of them this morning |
| 13:10:09 | Febs | It's a shame that Brandon hasn't been able to spend much time on RB recently. But, RealLife happens. |
| 13:10:24 | preglow | does indeed |
| 13:10:24 | amiconn | Playback just didn't start, counter stayed at 0:00 |
| 13:10:27 | tucoz | ok. rockbox should hire lostlogic and slasheri as consultants of the playback system and run a course through the maze of mysteries in that department |
| 13:10:34 | amiconn | Stop/Resume didn't help. Reboot did |
| 13:10:49 | tucoz | amiconn: is that in general, or only on a specific target? |
| 13:10:55 | amiconn | That was H140 |
| 13:10:57 | preglow | sounds general |
| 13:11:13 | tucoz | i guess it is |
| 13:11:16 | Febs | I ran into a bug yesterday on ipod where the remaining time was shown as: -3:-27. But I couldn't reproduce it. |
| 13:11:38 | preglow | ahh |
| 13:11:41 | amiconn | Voice often stops working when playback is stopped |
| 13:11:41 | preglow | i've had that too |
| 13:11:56 | preglow | i got it using an mp3 file with an erronous xing header |
| 13:12:09 | preglow | amiconn: does voice work at all when playback is stopped? |
| 13:12:17 | preglow | ahh, no, i'm thinking about paused |
| 13:12:51 | petur | the -3:-27 is caused by some oversimplified formatting |
| 13:12:52 | amiconn | Sometimes... It was already better some time ago |
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| 14:05:02 | amiconn | B4gder: Any news from ups? |
| 14:05:25 | B4gder | they'll deliver to my customer's address tomorrow |
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| 14:06:14 | B4gder | I did my duty and yelled suitably much to their customer service person about their lack of service |
| 14:06:31 | petur | doubt it will help ;) |
| 14:06:32 | B4gder | "no we can't call you when we get there, we don't have a phone" |
| 14:06:58 | B4gder | petur: I'm sure it bounced off immediately and won't help anyone |
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| 14:12:55 | merbanan | B4gder: is it the stuff from Sandisk ? |
| 14:13:08 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 14:13:17 | B4gder | yes |
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| 14:13:58 | B4gder | expect a full and detailed report once I've received it |
| 14:14:11 | merbanan | excellent |
| 14:14:18 | LinusN | a bomb |
| 14:14:29 | B4gder | from apple |
| 14:14:31 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 14:14:46 | B4gder | the package doesn't say who its from |
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| 14:26:20 | JdGordon | why the heck didnt they install a decent gui apt-get frontend in kubuntu?? |
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| 14:26:41 | B4gder | because gui frontends are for the weak? ;-] |
| 14:26:48 | * | B4gder hides |
| 14:27:06 | JdGordon | ha |
| 14:28:13 | JdGordon | my bad.. they just hid it :p |
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| 14:39:09 | JdGordon | is there a mark bright in the house? |
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| 14:45:32 | * | amiconn pints JdGordon to the IrcNicks page |
| 14:45:36 | amiconn | *points |
| 14:45:53 | * | B4gder is gonna have a pint or two tonight |
| 14:45:59 | petur | pints are ok too |
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| 14:57:12 | preglow | sounds like a good idea in general |
| 14:57:35 | Mikachu | "they come in pints?" |
| 14:58:06 | petur | 25 and 33 cl actually (.be) |
| 14:58:39 | Quarryman | not in 50 cl? |
| 14:59:23 | petur | not here no |
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| 15:00:35 | amiconn | 50 cl is standard in germany |
| 15:00:52 | Mikachu | apparently a pint is 47.3 cl |
| 15:00:56 | amiconn | ..and that's almost a pint (had to look up this weird unit first) |
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| 15:01:05 | Mikachu | according to `units` |
| 15:01:19 | B4gder | 1 US pint = 0.473176475 liter |
| 15:01:22 | B4gder | according to google |
| 15:01:37 | amiconn | http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9060111?query=pint&ct= |
| 15:01:44 | B4gder | 1 Imperial pint = 0.568261485 liter |
| 15:02:02 | B4gder | I believe we get british pints mostly here when we get pints |
| 15:02:21 | JdGordon | why cant the yanks get anything right :D |
| 15:02:25 | Mikachu | ah, units defaulted to us pints |
| 15:03:12 | Mikachu | the us even has two different pints, dry and wet |
| 15:03:24 | petur | hahaha |
| 15:03:31 | | Part steveb_ ("##uk - The brits still rule the world") |
| 15:03:31 | Mikachu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint |
| 15:03:49 | amiconn | Mikachu: The britannica also has that info... |
| 15:04:04 | * | petur offers the channel some Tripel Karmeliet (http://www.bestbelgianspecialbeers.be/main_eng.html) |
| 15:04:07 | B4gder | and the dry one is 0.551 |
| 15:04:14 | Mikachu | amiconn: sorry, i missed your url |
| 15:04:16 | B4gder | pretty close to the imperial one ;-) |
| 15:04:18 | * | amiconn wonders why people still use those odd units, like gallons, inches etc |
| 15:04:40 | Mikachu | amiconn: because they are americans, their way is correct by definition :) |
| 15:05:22 | B4gder | yay! land of the free! |
| 15:06:30 | petur | for the Australians in the channel: http://www.internationalbeershop.com.au/products.asp?product_id=96 |
| 15:08:05 | JdGordon | $9 for 330ml.. better be bloody nice for that price |
| 15:08:23 | petur | it is ;) and also much cheaper here :p |
| 15:08:36 | JdGordon | ok, next time im over there ill buy one :p |
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| 15:09:48 | JdGordon | apart from free beer, the cheapest ive ever bought was 500ml bear beer in Israel for AUD$1.50 or something rediculous |
| 15:10:03 | JdGordon | u can image how terrible it was :D |
| 15:10:06 | muesli|delhi | vb 4ever... |
| 15:10:12 | muesli|delhi | besides becks of course.. |
| 15:10:16 | JdGordon | at elast u didnt say XXXX |
| 15:10:46 | JdGordon | tassy beer >> draught >> vb >> piss >> carton cold/light ice |
| 15:15:14 | preglow | petur: damn, that sounds tasty |
| 15:15:39 | B4gder | we need a beercon ;-) |
| 15:15:46 | * | petur has one bottle left in his fridge at home |
| 15:15:53 | preglow | oats in a tripel, never heard of that |
| 15:16:17 | petur | If I can make devcon next year, I'll bring beer :) |
| 15:16:21 | muesli|delhi | btw...fosters is made in india too |
| 15:16:21 | muesli|delhi | they sell it as domestic :D |
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| 15:18:32 | preglow | i've never been much of a fan of strange units, but pint i like |
| 15:18:43 | preglow | for some reason... |
| 15:18:55 | crashd | pint is the only way to serve beer |
| 15:19:31 | B4gder | so why don't they pour beer in pint-size bottles/cans? |
| 15:19:47 | JdGordon | u can get 500ml cans occasionally |
| 15:19:49 | preglow | B4gder: i have seen pint sized bottles/cans |
| 15:19:50 | crashd | because you aren't supposed to drink beer out of bottle or cans |
| 15:19:50 | JdGordon | and longnecks |
| 15:19:52 | crashd | hehe |
| 15:20:05 | JdGordon | 800ml of beer :D now thats niiice |
| 15:20:05 | B4gder | 500ml is very common here, but that's not pint-sized |
| 15:20:14 | crashd | it's supposed to go from the hoppery > barrel > glass > mouth |
| 15:20:20 | muesli|delhi | JdGordon dont wanna see ur belly :) |
| 15:20:29 | JdGordon | i got hollow legs |
| 15:20:32 | B4gder | crashd: yet all those pour it in bottles and cans |
| 15:20:35 | B4gder | they have no spine! |
| 15:20:36 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 15:20:39 | crashd | they are rubbish, is why |
| 15:20:46 | crashd | there's no good excuse for it |
| 15:20:53 | B4gder | we need a boycott |
| 15:20:56 | preglow | ghargh |
| 15:20:57 | preglow | watery mouth |
| 15:20:58 | B4gder | to teach them |
| 15:21:21 | preglow | a couple of pints of bitter would suit me nicely right now, with this heat |
| 15:22:10 | JdGordon | changing topocs slightly.... i keep getting "sudo: timestamp too far in the future:" any way to fix it? or just wait till tomorow night when the timestamp is good again? |
| 15:22:26 | bluebrother | JdGordon: touch it. |
| 15:22:46 | JdGordon | touch what? |
| 15:22:52 | preglow | it |
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| 15:22:53 | bluebrother | touch the file. |
| 15:23:06 | JdGordon | which file? |
| 15:23:07 | bluebrother | touch can change the timestamp of a file. |
| 15:23:25 | JdGordon | i get that when i try running a command from sudo |
| 15:23:57 | petur | chaning topic slightly back again: some special beers come in 37.5cl and 75cl bottles with cork here. Also 1.5L bottles exist (!) |
| 15:24:10 | JdGordon | cl? |
| 15:24:17 | bluebrother | centiliter |
| 15:24:38 | JdGordon | you use cl in europe? or just lazyness here? |
| 15:24:53 | petur | common for beer bottles |
| 15:24:54 | muesli|delhi | cl? we only count in l :D |
| 15:24:56 | B4gder | cl is pretty common |
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| 15:25:04 | B4gder | for drink measures |
| 15:25:05 | JdGordon | that 375ml and 750ml both standard here |
| 15:25:11 | JdGordon | *wierd* |
| 15:25:23 | JdGordon | mind u.. i dunno any beer in 750ml bottles |
| 15:25:49 | B4gder | those indian ones come in 750ml |
| 15:25:54 | muesli|delhi | they have 650ml over here |
| 15:26:42 | petur | there's a drinks shop at 200m from work here, it's as big as a supermarket and 3/4 of it is beer |
| 15:26:43 | preglow | petur: site keeps referring to glasses, but i can't find a way to order them anywhere |
| 15:27:22 | * | preglow needs a couple of trappist beer glasses |
| 15:27:54 | preglow | more like chalice |
| 15:28:55 | petur | most here only have glasses of one beer and serve the others in that too. Too many different glasses otherwise |
| 15:29:09 | petur | but in pubs you always get it in the right glass |
| 15:30:11 | preglow | got a leffe glass the other day, but that's the only thing that's gotten close around here |
| 15:30:27 | preglow | the orval ones look nicer :> |
| 15:31:11 | petur | I don't really care much, the contents is more important ;) |
| 15:31:41 | preglow | no, it doesn't concern me wildly, but it's a nice touch, heh |
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| 15:33:23 | preglow | wish i had something like that beer store around here |
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| 15:33:53 | preglow | i pretty much need to go to sweden/denmark to get a decent selection |
| 15:34:08 | preglow | something i can't be bothered to do |
| 15:34:56 | petur | I don't know what shipping costs would be, too heavy to ship cheap I fear |
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| 15:36:01 | preglow | indeed |
| 15:36:13 | preglow | plus gargantuan taxes on top of it when importing |
| 15:36:40 | petur | also when sending as gift? |
| 15:36:44 | preglow | sure |
| 15:36:50 | petur | yuck |
| 15:37:03 | preglow | the norwegian government would rather see everyone teetotalers insteaed of adopting a more realistic stance to alcohol |
| 15:39:11 | petur | we were once on holiday by car in Norway, half the trunk was beer/wine/stronger stuff. Got questions at the border but they let us through. Seems we got very lucky then. |
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| 15:39:34 | preglow | hah |
| 15:39:35 | preglow | incredibly |
| 15:40:14 | preglow | normally you get fined to hell then all your alcohol gets confiscated |
| 15:40:20 | preglow | if you've got more than you're allowed to, that is |
| 15:40:45 | preglow | half the trunk probably qualifies by a large margin, heh |
| 15:40:53 | petur | I'm pretty sure it was... |
| 15:41:03 | petur | it was a big car too :p |
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| 15:47:09 | Shado23 | Hi, I need some purchasing advice. I'm looking into buying an iriver, should I get a H320 or a H120 (With rockbox in mind)? |
| 15:47:42 | JdGordon | 320 |
| 15:48:05 | muesli|delhi | h140 |
| 15:48:26 | muesli|delhi | i had an 120, 140 and finally an 320 |
| 15:48:42 | muesli|delhi | the 140 is the beste choice |
| 15:48:47 | muesli|delhi | for me |
| 15:48:58 | Shado23 | I can't decide, because I'd like a colour display, but the design of the H100 series looks better to me |
| 15:49:10 | preglow | Shado23: do you care about the colour screen? care about spdif? |
| 15:49:28 | preglow | right now the h1x0 performs best with rockbox, but that might change very soon |
| 15:49:29 | muesli|delhi | the 140 is more handy |
| 15:49:29 | Shado23 | I won't be needing that much space I guess, otherwise it,s the same as the H120, right? |
| 15:49:42 | petur | h3x0 has usbotg |
| 15:49:47 | muesli|delhi | usb 1.0 |
| 15:49:51 | muesli|delhi | useless imho |
| 15:49:51 | petur | h1x0 has spdif |
| 15:50:11 | Shado23 | the H120 only has usb 1.0? |
| 15:50:18 | muesli|delhi | the 320 gets pretty thick with a case |
| 15:50:28 | petur | better 12mbps than 0mbps |
| 15:50:42 | muesli|delhi | no...ustotg has usb v1.0 |
| 15:50:45 | Shado23 | ah |
| 15:50:49 | muesli|delhi | usbotg |
| 15:50:51 | Shado23 | ok won@t be needing that |
| 15:51:06 | muesli|delhi | its nice but useless with v1.0.. |
| 15:51:17 | Shado23 | and colour display is not essential, but would be nice to have |
| 15:51:22 | muesli|delhi | actually the h320 gets quite fat with a case |
| 15:51:35 | muesli|delhi | whereas the h140 remains kind of neat |
| 15:51:43 | Shado23 | mz main problem is the buttons on the 320 look weird, at least on the pictures i've seen |
| 15:52:15 | Shado23 | but how is it different from the H120 except from the diskspace? |
| 15:52:24 | muesli|delhi | buttons are definitely better on h140 also |
| 15:52:31 | muesli|delhi | the joystcik is fantastic |
| 15:52:50 | amiconn | muesli|delhi: Wrong... usbotg is always usb2.0, because it's not defined for older protocol versions |
| 15:53:01 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with the transfer speed |
| 15:53:24 | muesli|delhi | amiconn whatever..its useless slow on h320 |
| 15:53:34 | muesli|delhi | 15mins for 256mb... |
| 15:53:37 | * | amiconn found it to be rather useful |
| 15:53:44 | * | petur too |
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| 15:53:54 | muesli|delhi | not usuable as an image tank (for my use) |
| 15:53:58 | Shado23 | the H10 series won't be supported all of a sudden, right? |
| 15:54:03 | amiconn | I used it as a backup for my digicam on my trip to Torino |
| 15:54:38 | muesli|delhi | well..i have a 4gb drive... |
| 15:54:42 | muesli|delhi | that would take ages |
| 15:54:55 | amiconn | The most annoying thing wasn't the speed, but the inability of retailos to sync folders |
| 15:55:17 | Shado23 | so I'll probably get a H120, as it seems to be identical to the H140 and I don@t need the space |
| 15:55:41 | muesli|delhi | the h120 was my very favourite... |
| 15:55:49 | muesli|delhi | mice and handy..best design |
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| 15:55:55 | muesli|delhi | *inlove* |
| 15:56:14 | Shado23 | one thing tough, with rockbox it always works as a usb storage device and no MTP, right? |
| 15:56:23 | Shado23 | *it will |
| 15:56:44 | petur | UMS yes |
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| 15:57:14 | Shado23 | because I'm on linux and I don't won't to use special pograms just to transfer something if possible |
| 15:57:22 | Shado23 | ok, very good to hear |
| 15:58:40 | Shado23 | got kinda tempted by the nice colour skins, but since I'll be using it to listen to music not watching the screen it makes no actual difference |
| 15:59:13 | Shado23 | http://www.allcam.biz/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=155 |
| 15:59:26 | Shado23 | this was the only place I could find still selling them |
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| 16:00:21 | Shado23 | or, is there somewhere better which I missed? |
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| 16:01:31 | muesli|delhi | amiconn how do rate the chances to set that nasty chip asleep? |
| 16:01:35 | muesli|delhi | you |
| 16:01:39 | muesli|delhi | soon |
| 16:01:57 | LinusN | would be trivial, now that we have contact with the chip |
| 16:02:31 | LinusN | however, i'm still not 100% sure that putting it to sleep will stop the power drain |
| 16:02:56 | LinusN | but i certainly hope se |
| 16:02:58 | LinusN | so |
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| 16:04:33 | JdGordon | any1 wanna have a guess how much the h100 lcd remote weighs? |
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| 16:04:52 | JdGordon | <300g ye? |
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| 16:06:28 | preglow | around 50 grams |
| 16:06:51 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 16:09:55 | JdGordon | the h100 remote does work with the h300 ye? |
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| 16:10:26 | egotrippen | yup |
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| 16:10:36 | JdGordon | thougt so.. but just checking |
| 16:11:00 | egotrippen | yeah |
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| 16:11:28 | amiconn | JdGordon: All 3 iriver remotes work with both the H1x0 and the H300 |
| 16:11:43 | egotrippen | the old iMP-400 almost works, but the LCD doesn't display and all the buttonmaps are switched around |
| 16:11:48 | egotrippen | :) |
| 16:12:05 | egotrippen | the H100 remote really works |
| 16:12:55 | egotrippen | imp-400 remote^ |
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| 16:19:03 | preglow | do the different remotes work with rockbox yet, though? |
| 16:22:42 | egotrippen | either the H100 remote works best, and the others have patches or somehting, or they all work |
| 16:23:02 | amiconn | They all work, with a slight issue concerning the H300 LCD remote |
| 16:23:48 | amiconn | (up/down does what left/right should and vice versa) |
| 16:24:53 | amiconn | That is, it's worng in the wps, but correct in the browser |
| 16:25:08 | amiconn | (or so; I don't have a h300 lcd remote) |
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| 16:26:24 | egotrippen | since rockbos, i barely ever use my remote |
| 16:26:26 | egotrippen | oddly enough |
| 16:26:43 | egotrippen | the playlisting really reduces the need for it, IMO |
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| 16:27:02 | gpoo | hey |
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| 16:27:16 | gpoo | is thier a option for rockbox to use less battery |
| 16:27:41 | egotrippen | set 'disk power off' to on, that'll help a little |
| 16:28:09 | egotrippen | if you're using an H300, there's a chip that's using way more power than it should |
| 16:28:23 | egotrippen | but the problem's been tracked down, and it may be corrected in the next couple of days |
| 16:28:30 | gpoo | sweet |
| 16:28:42 | gpoo | I am on mini ipod |
| 16:28:42 | egotrippen | ah |
| 16:29:06 | egotrippen | well then, disk power off should help a bit |
| 16:29:15 | gpoo | cool |
| 16:29:22 | gpoo | I am also plaing on getting of solio |
| 16:29:26 | gpoo | have you heard of that |
| 16:29:30 | amiconn | There's no disk poweroff for ipod (yet?) |
| 16:29:43 | gpoo | they are selling it at this mac store teke serv |
| 16:29:52 | gpoo | it a solar panel chagher |
| 16:30:03 | gpoo | I wonder if it works with when it hooked to my backup |
| 16:30:08 | gpoo | backbag |
| 16:30:37 | gpoo | or belink tuneboast |
| 16:30:39 | egotrippen | oh yeah, there's a store online that sells those solar things |
| 16:30:42 | gpoo | extra 8 hour |
| 16:30:52 | gpoo | do you think they are worth 99 usd |
| 16:31:09 | egotrippen | the solar things? i don't know how well they work, that's out of my pricerange |
| 16:31:19 | gpoo | mine to |
| 16:31:22 | gpoo | is like to much |
| 16:31:39 | egotrippen | i'd check whatever the ipod equivalent of misticriver is, see if there's a do it yourself battery pack guide |
| 16:31:40 | gpoo | it has a built in battery, that get charged up by the sun |
| 16:31:56 | gpoo | sweet |
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| 16:32:10 | egotrippen | at MR there's a guide for making a pack that takes 4 AAs, it costs about $10 to make |
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| 16:32:24 | egotrippen | the ipod one would be harder because you need the proprietary plug, but |
| 16:32:26 | egotrippen | should still be possible |
| 16:32:42 | gpoo | oh |
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| 16:36:32 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 16:36:36 | Jungti1234 | I have question |
| 16:36:46 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Units Per Read'? |
| 16:36:56 | gpoo | for 45 dollar or more I can get Belkin TunePower Rechargeable Battery Pack for iPod |
| 16:36:58 | Jungti1234 | in the peak meter menu |
| 16:37:45 | stuffedspacedog | Re: solar chargers, I got one for my birthday last August, went to extremely sunny Bali, and it took over a day to charge. Here in Hong Kong it takes almost a week to charge... don't waste your money! |
| 16:38:52 | Jungti1234 | anyone don't know? |
| 16:39:30 | gpoo | stuffedspacedog oh thanks |
| 16:39:47 | gpoo | stuffedspacedog so any suggestion for extra battery life, i see they are hacks |
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| 16:40:58 | stuffedspacedog | yeah you can get a 4aa battery holder and stick lithium batteries in it... expensive though. better still, buy an iriver h140!! |
| 16:42:49 | gpoo | a iriver last long time |
| 16:43:09 | gpoo | Belkin TunePower Rechargeable Battery Pack for iPod chrages via firewire |
| 16:43:21 | gpoo | battery backup but the reviews on amazon some say good other say bad |
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| 16:43:45 | egotrippen | sorry, i was lagging out |
| 16:44:00 | stuffedspacedog | yep i tried it, maybe got 50% extra run time on a 4G photo w/rockbox... still less than an H140 |
| 16:45:05 | egotrippen | that's with a new battery? i missed the last couple things that were said |
| 16:45:33 | stuffedspacedog | no with the belkin tunepower |
| 16:45:54 | egotrippen | ah |
| 16:46:22 | egotrippen | if you're not shy, newertech makes replacement ipod batteries |
| 16:46:51 | egotrippen | i've got one in my H300 (uses the same type as first gen ipods) |
| 16:47:00 | gpoo | hmm |
| 16:47:08 | stuffedspacedog | BTW congrats to Amiconn for communicating with H300's demon chip... I actually only came in to warn people not to buy the solar ipod charger.... c ya! |
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| 16:47:26 | gpoo | i am able to open a third gen ipod but ipod mini is harder |
| 16:47:40 | egotrippen | ah |
| 16:47:55 | gpoo | I saw video how ipod mini is open |
| 16:47:56 | gpoo | it ugly |
| 16:48:00 | gpoo | you need glue |
| 16:48:12 | gpoo | and other stuff it not as easy and part can break |
| 16:48:17 | gpoo | but it possible |
| 16:48:23 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 16:48:27 | egotrippen | that sucks |
| 16:48:36 | gpoo | third gen of my friend was easy, |
| 16:48:38 | egotrippen | this site has a battery 'with installation kit' http://www.ipodbattery.com/ |
| 16:48:41 | egotrippen | and also a battery pack |
| 16:48:42 | gpoo | with force, but easy |
| 16:49:08 | gpoo | my friend never wanted to buy a battery, but I showed how easy I could replace it |
| 16:49:16 | gpoo | him |
| 16:49:20 | gpoo | bbl |
| 16:49:21 | egotrippen | cool |
| 16:51:43 | egotrippen | when you get back |
| 16:51:44 | egotrippen | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007M2X9W/002-2986523-6588850?v=glance&n=172282 |
| 16:51:51 | egotrippen | battery pack, adds 10 hours |
| 16:52:06 | egotrippen | the first site had one, $60ish, and added 22 hours |
| 16:55:59 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:56:03 | Jungti1234 | korea 2 : 1 togo :) |
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| 16:58:29 | dongs | heh |
| 16:58:49 | dongs | the zergs are rushing it |
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| 17:20:16 | preglow | gotta love stereotypes |
| 17:20:38 | Mikachu | i hate those damn stereotypes, coming here, taking our jobs |
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| 17:27:02 | preglow | and our tax money!!!!22 |
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| 17:28:32 | Hyparity | Hi. I have a question about my GMini. |
| 17:28:42 | Hyparity | Does someone of you have time for me? |
| 17:29:32 | Mikachu | ask and hope for the best |
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| 17:31:59 | Hyparity | OK. I'm blind and I have a GMini 202 |
| 17:31:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sneaks in and waits for news. |
| 17:32:11 | Hyparity | I want to make the player speeking. |
| 17:32:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hyparity: Rockbox doesn't support the Gmini 202. |
| 17:32:36 | Hyparity | I heared something about a speechbox for the open source rockbox system. |
| 17:32:53 | Hyparity | Oh, OK. |
| 17:34:01 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Found my remark regarding your flash image in the log? |
| 17:34:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: No, I hadn't yet. |
| 17:34:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was all looking for Bagder getting the package that I sorta skimmed |
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| 17:35:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Okay, where are the instructions/files I should use? |
| 17:37:40 | amiconn | This page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox has the latest images, using bootbox instead of archos as the alternative/backup firmware |
| 17:37:58 | amiconn | I don't know which instructions and which flash images you used |
| 17:38:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was pointed to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox |
| 17:38:31 | amiconn | Maybe we can collect the scattered flashing information and update it properly |
| 17:38:51 | amiconn | The manual chapter about flashing is also really outdated... |
| 17:39:12 | amiconn | Ooops |
| 17:39:23 | * | amiconn should take down the old flash images from his webspace |
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| 17:41:17 | amiconn | There's even another page dealing with archos flashing - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindFlashing |
| 17:45:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Okay, have Bootbox/Rombox working now. |
| 17:45:32 | amiconn | Nice boot time compared to the archos rom, eh? |
| 17:45:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very nice. |
| 17:46:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now I need to get a proper charger. |
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| 17:46:41 | amiconn | Didn't you say you got the original charger? |
| 17:46:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's broken |
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| 17:47:21 | amiconn | Oh |
| 17:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 17:47:45 | amiconn | Well, you can either use an unregulated 9V DC charger, or a regulated 12V charger |
| 17:47:55 | amiconn | The original one is 9V DC unregulated |
| 17:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I plan to pick one up somewhere this afternoon. |
| 17:49:14 | amiconn | You need one that's capable of providing at least 500mA. The original is specced 600mA |
| 17:49:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, all I've got around is a 300mA one. |
| 17:49:48 | amiconn | The plug is center positive. Switching polarity will blow the charging circuit |
| 17:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm very careful about that one. :) |
| 17:50:34 | amiconn | (Not as evil as on iriver, where it will most likely fry the CPU, but still not recommendet) |
| 17:51:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm definitely excited that the unit itself seems to be in near-perfect condition, and that everything that was an issue are just easily replaceable stuff. |
| 17:51:50 | amiconn | Yeah, that's the nice thing about the old archoses. Standard batteries, standard harddrives... |
| 17:52:27 | amiconn | ...and you can get longer runitme than H1x0 with today's high capacity NiMH cells |
| 17:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I replaced the old ones with 2650's. |
| 17:53:30 | hardeep | amiconn: I was trying to find the battery stats on the wiki. What's the runtime you're getting on your archos? |
| 17:54:07 | amiconn | I didn't put them in the wiki |
| 17:54:28 | amiconn | I got 21 hours with recorder v1, and 21:20 with the Studio |
| 17:54:42 | amiconn | Same set of music, no backlight, disk poweroff enabled |
| 17:55:11 | amiconn | (disk poweroff isn't available in cvs builds for Studio, because some players crash from it. Mine runs just fine) |
| 17:55:22 | amiconn | 2700mAh cells |
| 17:56:24 | amiconn | Unfortunately, the v1 charging algorithm still leaves something to be desired |
| 17:56:43 | amiconn | Got only 90% of the stated runtime when charging internally |
| 17:59:03 | amiconn | Ondio runs around 9hours with 900mAh NiMH cells |
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| 17:59:23 | tucoz | amiconn: what instructions should be in the manual? |
| 17:59:43 | tucoz | I think the current ones are from the 2.4 docs |
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| 18:00:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should be the "FlashingRockbox" steps, with links to the BootBox files, right? |
| 18:01:53 | amiconn | FlashingRockbox instruction, with some outdated points removed, the files from BootBox, and parts from RomBox as well |
| 18:02:47 | * | amiconn has now taken down the outdated flash images |
| 18:04:18 | tucoz | If the wiki is uptodate, I can make a latex version later on |
| 18:07:58 | tucoz | afk |
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| 18:21:06 | tucoz | bluebrother: are you here? |
| 18:21:50 | bluebrother | tucoz, yes. |
| 18:22:35 | tucoz | I can not change this myself atm, but my change to show the full name of the players made the footer look bad on e.g. h120 |
| 18:23:27 | bluebrother | I just noticed it. |
| 18:23:43 | tucoz | ok. good |
| 18:24:33 | bluebrother | hmm. The new logo doesn't look good here at all :( |
| 18:24:46 | tucoz | really? |
| 18:24:56 | tucoz | what happens? |
| 18:25:02 | tucoz | or rather, what is wrong? |
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| 18:26:28 | tucoz | It feels terrible not to have access to linux... |
| 18:26:29 | bluebrother | it looks like being out of too less too big pixels. |
| 18:26:42 | bluebrother | I'm feeling with you ;-) |
| 18:27:26 | tucoz | Is it different than the .svg version? |
| 18:27:35 | tucoz | I committed that as well |
| 18:28:26 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/titlepage.png |
| 18:28:48 | tucoz | that looks weird alright |
| 18:29:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ick |
| 18:29:20 | tucoz | maybe something went wrong. I tried zooming in 1600% and it looked great |
| 18:29:42 | tucoz | on the title page |
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| 18:30:24 | tucoz | If you open the svg in inkscape and save it as eps and afterwards run epstopdf, you can see if I did something wrong |
| 18:30:33 | tucoz | in the commit or otherwise |
| 18:31:50 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/titlepage1.png with 400%. |
| 18:32:02 | markun | Strange that it isn't anti aliased.. |
| 18:32:10 | bluebrother | yeah. |
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| 18:32:28 | tucoz | yes. It was defintly fine yesterday and earlier this morning |
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| 18:32:54 | bluebrother | and I miss the grey code lines on the lower right of the logo. |
| 18:33:17 | * | Paul_The_Nerd agrees |
| 18:34:35 | tucoz | Well, I think the svg logo could be enhanced. Still it is better with a vector logo, than a bitmap |
| 18:37:32 | bluebrother | that's true. |
| 18:38:51 | tucoz | bluebrother: I can send the pdf to your mail. See if that looks ok |
| 18:39:22 | Mikachu | it's antialiased in evince, and probably looks good when printed |
| 18:39:31 | bluebrother | strange. |
| 18:39:40 | bluebrother | tucoz, I just corrected the page footer. |
| 18:39:50 | tucoz | thanks |
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| 18:40:56 | tucoz | see if that looks weird: http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/rockbox-build.pdf |
| 18:41:58 | bluebrother | luckily it was pretty easy. |
| 18:42:23 | bluebrother | hmm, looks the same. Seems to be related with xpdf. |
| 18:42:36 | tucoz | probably that then. I have only used acrobat |
| 18:42:49 | bluebrother | looks ugly with kpdf, xpdf, ok with evince. Haven't tried acroread as I haven't got it installed. |
| 18:43:19 | tucoz | sure is strange |
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| 18:45:35 | tucoz | gtg |
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| 18:48:27 | amiconn | Not strange at all |
| 18:48:51 | amiconn | The pdf viewers where it does look ugly don't do anti-aliasing for vector gfx |
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| 18:54:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Can you think of any reason the AJBR might suddenly stop playing in the middle of a song? It's happened twice so far, and both times it went on to the next song, which also didn't play. They all had names in the U-Z range, in a folder with over 1000 entries (with the buffer set to 400, but when I had it make a playlist it included them) and wondered if that might be related, or if it's some other issue, perhaps known. |
| 18:56:02 | amiconn | Low charge? |
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| 18:56:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | 70%+ |
| 18:56:42 | amiconn | Oh, hmm. What rockbox build? |
| 18:56:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yesterday's daily |
| 18:57:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, random CVS sometime through yesterday, I suppose |
| 18:57:28 | amiconn | You did flash the rombox.ucl that came with it? |
| 18:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 18:57:43 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 18:57:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | 060612-0313. It shows metadata for the track, but no audio output, so the disk spin up at least, to get that. |
| 18:58:34 | amiconn | Hmm. I thought it stopped playback and dropped back to the browser... |
| 18:59:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope. |
| 18:59:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Partway through a song I suddenly have silence. I look at the screen, and the timer's counting up from 0:00 on a new song, but still with no audio. |
| 18:59:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can skip to the next song, still no audio. |
| 18:59:42 | amiconn | That's odd... never observed this behaviour |
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| 19:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately I stupidly turned it off, instead of trying to relaunch a playlist, both times, so I don't know if audio returns if you stop and resume or stop and play something else. |
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| 19:11:34 | gpoo | how does tag cache work |
| 19:11:42 | gpoo | I mean is it avaible on the ipod mini firmware |
| 19:11:46 | gpoo | I seem not to find it |
| 19:12:58 | bluebrother | gpoo, you need to force a tag cache update and when that is finished switch to the ID3 view. |
| 19:13:08 | gpoo | oh k |
| 19:13:48 | bluebrother | see the manual, section 2.3 |
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| 19:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone in the forum just told me I should "really stop talking" |
| 19:18:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 19:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was in a bad way, but all I was doing was asking someone to try to verify a bug wasn't a hardware failure. =/ |
| 19:20:05 | tucoz | bluebrother: I read that the next version of xpdf will support anti-aliasing of vector graphics. |
| 19:20:49 | tucoz | and xpdf is a backend for kpdf |
| 19:21:03 | bluebrother | tucoz, I'm wondering why evince has anti-aliasing and kpdf not −− they are both based on xpdf AFAIK. |
| 19:21:11 | tucoz | I see |
| 19:21:28 | bluebrother | but if it's only a display issue I think we can live with it. |
| 19:21:37 | markun | bluebrother: evince is uses poppler |
| 19:22:07 | tucoz | the wikipedia article on poppler says that kpdf also uses that |
| 19:22:11 | Mikachu | i wouldn't be surprised if most people didn't print out the manual |
| 19:22:20 | bluebrother | yes, but IIRC poppler is also based on xpdf. But it seems I'm wrong in my memory here. |
| 19:22:20 | Mikachu | in gentoo, xpdf uses poppler :) |
| 19:22:26 | tucoz | but the xpdf article states that xpdf is used |
| 19:22:32 | tucoz | in kpdf |
| 19:22:44 | tucoz | bluebrother: you are right. |
| 19:22:52 | tucoz | poppler is based on xpdf |
| 19:22:57 | crwl | kpdf did use xpdf, but it changed maybe at kde 3.3 or .4 |
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| 19:23:35 | bluebrother | hmm, what does kpdf use now? |
| 19:23:37 | markun | gpdf uses ghostscript I believe |
| 19:24:15 | tucoz | bluebrother: the poppler article states poppler. the xpdf article states xpdf. So, I dunno |
| 19:24:34 | tucoz | and the kpdf article states xpdf |
| 19:24:36 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 19:25:11 | bluebrother | hehe, poppler is named after Futurama :) |
| 19:25:13 | tucoz | the kpdf front page says xpdf, so I guess that is right :) |
| 19:25:34 | crwl | at least kpdf's output quality changed quite noticeably in some KDE update |
| 19:25:58 | markun | If you want to be sure use the ldd command |
| 19:27:41 | markun | http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2006/03/lets-do-poppler-dance.html |
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| 19:30:05 | Ish_nitti | hello everyone :) |
| 19:30:17 | Ish_nitti | still very satisfied with my rockbox |
| 19:30:53 | Ish_nitti | have another noob question, saw someone that was posting about new patch builds. one for "Video IPOD" and one for "Video IPOD 64mb" |
| 19:31:07 | Ish_nitti | whats the difference and how do i know which one i own? |
| 19:31:28 | bluebrother | the difference is the ram size of your player. |
| 19:31:46 | Ish_nitti | thats what i thought, but i didnt want to jump to conclusions |
| 19:31:47 | bluebrother | having more memory allows you to preload more music. |
| 19:32:11 | Ish_nitti | how would i know if my video ipod is 64mb or not? |
| 19:32:28 | bluebrother | I don't know. |
| 19:32:44 | bluebrother | isn't that described on the page with the experimental builds? |
| 19:32:54 | obo | 30Gb models are 32Mb, 60s have 64 |
| 19:32:57 | kerb | Ish_nitti: 30gb = 32. 60gb = 64 |
| 19:33:49 | Ish_nitti | doh |
| 19:34:09 | Ish_nitti | thank you guys |
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| 20:08:33 | j^2 | hey all |
| 20:08:39 | j^2 | i got a n00b question |
| 20:09:40 | j^2 | i just installed rb on my ipod 4g grayscale, how do i get it to read all the music on there? it doesnt look at the xml file? and that tag-cache...it ran for a sec..then stopped...i thik |
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| 20:11:52 | preglow | xml file? |
| 20:12:05 | Mikachu | the itunes db, but i think it's binary on the ipod |
| 20:12:06 | preglow | to read the music itunes has put on your ipod, you must use tagcache |
| 20:12:34 | j^2 | really? it don't seem to work. tag-cache |
| 20:12:35 | Mikachu | or just delete the Ipod_Control folder and copy the music over properly :) |
| 20:13:55 | j^2 | the handbook says 5 minutes, the busy icon says it's running but then it just stops |
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| 20:16:57 | obo | j^2: have you tried restarting your ipod after that? |
| 20:17:11 | j^2 | ....odd it works now |
| 20:17:15 | j^2 | i'm so lost |
| 20:18:22 | j^2 | it wont play though... |
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| 20:25:31 | Beto | hi excuse me i have a problem |
| 20:26:18 | Beto | ive installed ipodlinux n chose the bootloader option that enables me to pick what program to run |
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| 20:27:04 | Beto | then i installed rockbox, n i safely unplugged my nano, then it starts to rockbox |
| 20:27:57 | Beto | i cant make it go to the bootloader, is there another way on how i can have both programs? |
| 20:28:18 | markun | Didn't you overwrite the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 20:28:35 | Beto | um i dunno |
| 20:29:01 | Beto | can u help me step by step please? |
| 20:29:06 | markun | I believe the ipodlinux bootloader also supports rockbox, so maybe you should install that |
| 20:29:14 | markun | I don't have an ipod, sorry |
| 20:29:28 | tucoz | markun: do you have a page where we could read about the gigabeat progress? |
| 20:30:17 | Mikachu | Beto: just put the linux kernel in the root of the fat partition and call it "linux.bin" |
| 20:30:40 | markun | tucoz: not really, only the logs of #gigabeat: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/ |
| 20:31:01 | tucoz | ok. thanks |
| 20:31:23 | Beto | wheres the linux kernel |
| 20:31:43 | Beto | because its not on my nano |
| 20:32:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:34:07 | j^2 | witch rockbox is there better battery management? |
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| 20:34:25 | Beto | at ipodlinux it tells me that i have to download ipod application manager, |
| 20:34:36 | Beto | so that the bootloader can work properly |
| 20:34:51 | Mikachu | if you don't know where the linux kernel is, how did you manage to install ipodlinux? |
| 20:35:13 | Beto | they have an "official installer" it does all the work for u |
| 20:35:38 | Mikachu | http://ipodlinux.org/builds/2006-06-13-kernel.bin.gz |
| 20:35:50 | Mikachu | don't forget to decompress it first |
| 20:36:06 | Beto | then i just move that to the root |
| 20:36:18 | Beto | or? |
| 20:36:25 | Mikachu | yeah, and name it kernel.bin |
| 20:36:33 | Mikachu | then hold down play when you boot |
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| 20:36:43 | Beto | ok ima try it |
| 20:36:47 | Beto | thank you |
| 20:36:50 | obo | kernel.bin or linux.bin? |
| 20:37:11 | Amien | ON+PLAY .. what buttons are those? ipod 5g |
| 20:37:36 | Amien | i need it for deleting bookmarks |
| 20:37:46 | Beto | hey ya you said linux.bin earlier |
| 20:37:48 | Mikachu | oh yeah, maybe it is linux.bin |
| 20:37:54 | Mikachu | i got confused by the url |
| 20:37:54 | dionoea | hello |
| 20:38:50 | Beto | wow my ipod has alot of folders, by root which folder do u mean? |
| 20:38:56 | Beto | do i just put it there? |
| 20:39:14 | Mikachu | root is e:\ or whatever |
| 20:39:20 | Beto | oh |
| 20:39:26 | Beto | ok |
| 20:39:44 | Amien | and is it possible to access to mp3 that are on the ipod which were installed using itunes |
| 20:39:57 | dionoea | btw, i was wondering if it's possible to change the default "start folder" in rockbox |
| 20:40:00 | dionoea | anyone know ? |
| 20:40:12 | dionoea | (the folder which is displayed after booting) |
| 20:40:35 | Mikachu | dionoea: you can enable 'playlist following' if you want |
| 20:40:44 | Mikachu | then it will always open at the currently playing file |
| 20:40:48 | Mikachu | i found that to be annoying though |
| 20:40:58 | dionoea | hum ... i'll add an option then :) |
| 20:41:22 | obo | Amien: take a look at the TagCache wiki page |
| 20:41:25 | dionoea | 'cause i have a /media/ folder and i'd like it to always display this folder's contents at the boot |
| 20:41:36 | Beto | ok i messed up |
| 20:41:57 | Mikachu | how much can you mess up copying one file? |
| 20:42:04 | Beto | the ipod took me to apple firmware n said error: -1 |
| 20:42:06 | Ish_nitti | anyone have any clue what a .rdb file is? |
| 20:42:15 | Mikachu | Beto: did you gunzip it? |
| 20:42:40 | Beto | i used ace to unzip it |
| 20:42:59 | Mikachu | i guess that should work |
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| 20:43:35 | Beto | i restart the ipod, then i hold play, and it takes me to the original ipod firmware |
| 20:45:09 | Beto | are you sure i was just supposed to move .bin to the ipod |
| 20:45:31 | Mikachu | you call it linux.bin? |
| 20:45:35 | Mikachu | just making sure |
| 20:45:40 | Beto | oops |
| 20:45:43 | Beto | lol |
| 20:46:00 | Beto | ok got it |
| 20:46:56 | Beto | omg |
| 20:47:11 | Beto | ima throw this ipod, and step on it |
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| 20:47:50 | dionoea | hehe |
| 20:48:10 | Beto | ugh |
| 20:50:02 | Beto | ok now i moved the linux.bin file to the hidden folder in my ipod |
| 20:50:25 | hardeep | is there any reason we disable the debug menu on simulator? a lot of the information is hardware independant (e.g. swcodec audio info) |
| 20:51:23 | preglow | i think safetydan made a patch for sim debug |
| 20:51:46 | preglow | i think it's mainly left out because of a general lack of SIMULATOR define checks, heh |
| 20:52:08 | Beto | ugh here i go again im going to reformat the ipod n erase everything, bring it back to factory settins |
| 20:52:10 | Beto | settings |
| 20:52:39 | Beto | which one should i install first? ipodlinux or rockbox? |
| 20:52:44 | amiconn | hardeep: The main reason is that with archos, none of the debug menu entries made sense for the sim |
| 20:53:26 | amiconn | This changed with the addition of swcodec, but most items are still hardware related |
| 20:53:46 | hardeep | yeah, it looks like safetydan added the one item I |
| 20:53:52 | hardeep | i'm interested in: |
| 20:53:57 | hardeep | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3051 |
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| 20:55:02 | preglow | idneed |
| 20:55:07 | preglow | i'd love to see that commited |
| 20:55:11 | Beto | ok so which one should i install 1st? |
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| 20:56:42 | linuxstb | Beto: ipodlinux is harder to install, so I would suggest doing that first - following their instructions or using their installer. Once you get that working, you just need to unzip rockbox.zip to your ipod. |
| 20:57:16 | Beto | ok thank you |
| 20:57:32 | Beto | but for in the ipodlinux installer, it gives me 3 options |
| 20:58:24 | Beto | 1. to load default apple firmware 2. load ipodlinux. 3. load bootloader(should i choose the 3rd option?) |
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| 21:00:17 | Beto | ok the 3rd option is called ipodloader2, i click on that one right? |
| 21:00:44 | linuxstb | Well, I don't know that installer, but you definitely want ipodloader2 if you want to install Rockbox. |
| 21:00:58 | Beto | ok |
| 21:01:12 | Beto | its installing |
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| 21:05:32 | Beto | ok the ipod loader2 is working |
| 21:08:15 | Beto | ok i erased the file i was supposed to havei n the bak folder in rockbox installer |
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| 21:14:14 | Ish_nitti | Will rockbox not read the folder.jpg inside each folder as the album art? |
| 21:14:48 | Beto | when i extract the firmware to the bak folder in rockbox installer |
| 21:14:53 | dionoea | Ish_nitti: doesn't that need a patch to be applied first ? |
| 21:14:59 | Beto | which firmware is ist |
| 21:15:04 | Ish_nitti | dionoea: no idea |
| 21:15:12 | dionoea | well i think that it does :) |
| 21:15:15 | Beto | from the ipod, or from the updater |
| 21:15:17 | Ish_nitti | gotcha :) |
| 21:15:27 | dionoea | a version is available on the wps pages in the wiki |
| 21:15:34 | Ish_nitti | love you long tyme dio |
| 21:15:59 | dionoea | but then i never tried it so i don't know how it works :) |
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| 21:17:31 | Ish_nitti | i have the recent black glass build |
| 21:17:32 | Ish_nitti | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4417.0 |
| 21:17:45 | Ish_nitti | so the album art patch isnt included (obviously) |
| 21:17:53 | Ish_nitti | yet, my fonts are still fucked. |
| 21:19:04 | Ish_nitti | then i del my rockbox.ipod and entire .rockbox folder |
| 21:19:27 | Ish_nitti | upload the recent build from the main download page, and the defualt box theme is all messed up still |
| 21:19:29 | dionoea | the "non album art" version works fine here |
| 21:19:41 | dionoea | but you might need to install the "rockbox fonts" package |
| 21:19:44 | Beto | the rockbox installer aint finding my ipod |
| 21:19:45 | dionoea | it's on the nightly builds page |
| 21:19:58 | Ish_nitti | interesting |
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| 21:20:47 | Beto | this is what it says |
| 21:20:53 | Beto | WARNING: The installer cannot locate your iPod's drive name. Please make sure th |
| 21:21:17 | Beto | it says ipod drive letter not found |
| 21:21:27 | Beto | my ipod is connected |
| 21:21:27 | Ish_nitti | is it plugged in? |
| 21:21:28 | Ish_nitti | lol |
| 21:21:36 | Ish_nitti | make sure itunes is open |
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| 21:21:42 | Beto | ok |
| 21:21:50 | Ish_nitti | and that itunes see's the ipod also |
| 21:22:00 | Ish_nitti | for some reason, my video ipod does that |
| 21:22:09 | Ish_nitti | i cant access it unless itunes is open and see's the ipod is connected |
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| 21:23:08 | Beto | itunes sees it |
| 21:23:13 | Beto | ima retry |
| 21:23:17 | Ish_nitti | go to mycomputer |
| 21:23:20 | Ish_nitti | and see if you can see it |
| 21:23:20 | dionoea | it works fine here with no itunes running :) |
| 21:23:31 | Beto | ok |
| 21:24:14 | Beto | yes it sees it |
| 21:24:37 | Ish_nitti | then go into it |
| 21:24:48 | Ish_nitti | you said you were having trouble extracting the build to the ipod? |
| 21:24:53 | Beto | hmm the only folder in my ipod is ipod_control |
| 21:24:59 | Ish_nitti | yeah thats fine |
| 21:25:18 | Beto | ive just installed linux wit the bootloader |
| 21:25:18 | Ish_nitti | now copy your rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder to your ipod |
| 21:25:22 | Hansmaulwurf | there is a page where is described with pictures how you can open the H100 remote |
| 21:25:26 | Ish_nitti | in the same place where you see the ipod_control |
| 21:25:29 | Hansmaulwurf | does someone know the link? |
| 21:25:47 | Hansmaulwurf | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4751.15 <−−- wanna help that guy |
| 21:26:00 | Beto | but the rockbox installer aint lettin me install it |
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| 21:27:07 | Ish_nitti | installer? |
| 21:27:11 | Ish_nitti | i think you're grabbing the wrong file |
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| 21:27:22 | Ish_nitti | give me the url to the page you're looking at where you're downloading it |
| 21:27:32 | Beto | ok |
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| 21:28:46 | Beto | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 21:28:53 | Beto | ipod nano |
| 21:28:54 | * | Ish_nitti is lazy |
| 21:28:55 | Ish_nitti | lol |
| 21:28:56 | Ish_nitti | thanks |
| 21:28:58 | Ish_nitti | 1 sec |
| 21:29:17 | Ish_nitti | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/rockbox-ipodnano-20060613.zip |
| 21:29:19 | Ish_nitti | grab that |
| 21:29:27 | Ish_nitti | unzip it to a folder on your desktop |
| 21:29:36 | Ish_nitti | inside that folder should be two thing |
| 21:29:37 | Beto | ok |
| 21:29:45 | Ish_nitti | rockbox.ipod |
| 21:29:49 | Ish_nitti | and a .rockbox folder |
| 21:30:00 | Ish_nitti | copy both of those to your ipod "HD" you see in My Computer |
| 21:30:23 | Beto | ok |
| 21:30:26 | Beto | hold on |
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| 21:31:12 | Beto | ok its copyin |
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| 21:31:25 | Ish_nitti | :) |
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| 21:31:59 | Beto | almost done |
| 21:32:23 | Beto | ok now i unplugg right? |
| 21:32:30 | Beto | safely though |
| 21:32:42 | Ish_nitti | yeah |
| 21:32:52 | Ish_nitti | it should reboot, and you should see rockbox load up |
| 21:32:59 | Ish_nitti | instead of the -1 error |
| 21:33:34 | Beto | YES!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:33:48 | Beto | I SEE the rockbox on the ipodloader |
| 21:33:56 | Ish_nitti | :) |
| 21:33:57 | Beto | thank you so much |
| 21:34:01 | Ish_nitti | no prob beto |
| 21:34:05 | Ish_nitti | enjoy rockbox |
| 21:34:09 | Beto | im in ur debt |
| 21:34:16 | Ish_nitti | nah man, no stress |
| 21:34:25 | Ish_nitti | someone here helped me, im just passing it along |
| 21:34:48 | Hansmaulwurf | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4751.msg36330#msg36330 <−−−− is there someone who could support me that the clip wont break? |
| 21:35:07 | Beto | ok now i have a question |
| 21:35:11 | Beto | nvm |
| 21:35:13 | Beto | lol |
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| 21:35:29 | Ish_nitti | beto it took me awhile to get use to how it all works out |
| 21:35:37 | Ish_nitti | i still havent figured out how to get my playlist managed |
| 21:35:44 | Beto | i no how |
| 21:35:50 | Ish_nitti | or why my fonts are all messed up with certin themes |
| 21:35:59 | Beto | ive had it b4 but |
| 21:36:01 | Ish_nitti | but i need to grab the recent font pack |
| 21:36:15 | Beto | ive never had the bootloader, or linux on it |
| 21:36:43 | Beto | this guy sent me a rockbox zip file |
| 21:37:01 | Beto | wit patches that contained mp4 encoder n stuff |
| 21:37:51 | usAFKschroed | has anybody ever used the win ipod simulator? |
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| 21:38:13 | crashd | schroeder: url? |
| 21:38:24 | Beto | no |
| 21:38:25 | schroeder | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 21:38:33 | schroeder | for ipod vid |
| 21:38:39 | crashd | oh, that's just the rockbox sim |
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| 21:38:43 | schroeder | yep |
| 21:38:48 | schroeder | sorry |
| 21:38:52 | schroeder | thats what i meant |
| 21:39:10 | schroeder | i get the error: _temp_codec.dll is not a valid windows dll |
| 21:39:29 | schroeder | is it actually supposed to produce sound output? |
| 21:41:00 | schroeder | it happens when trying to play an mp3 file (to get the WP screen) |
| 21:41:09 | crashd | hums, im not sure about audio out |
| 21:41:13 | crashd | i recall it didnt work last time i tried the sim |
| 21:42:10 | Mikachu | yes, it's supposed to work, at least in linux |
| 21:42:37 | Beto | ur talking bout the simulator right? |
| 21:42:41 | schroeder | yes |
| 21:42:45 | schroeder | rockbox sim |
| 21:42:55 | Beto | somewhere in the forums it said that it didnt support sound |
| 21:42:59 | Beto | or something like that |
| 21:43:11 | Beto | i dunno bout the dll error |
| 21:43:19 | schroeder | k, thats not the problem. i dont need the sound output but i want to test a WPS |
| 21:43:42 | Beto | do it the oldskool way |
| 21:43:52 | schroeder | which is? |
| 21:43:52 | Beto | put it in ur ipod |
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| 21:43:55 | schroeder | :) |
| 21:43:57 | Beto | n try it out |
| 21:44:08 | Beto | thats what i did |
| 21:44:20 | Beto | still working on mine though |
| 21:45:51 | Beto | well ima go thanx ish |
| 21:45:58 | Beto | thank you alot |
| 21:46:00 | schroeder | k thx |
| 21:46:07 | Beto | np |
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| 21:48:03 | Ish_nitti | nice |
| 21:48:06 | dionoea | is it possible to profile rockbox firmware and plugins easily ? (if yes, how ?) |
| 21:54:33 | petur | yes, but I don't know exactly how |
| 21:54:51 | petur | it's some define (search for profile) |
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| 21:57:44 | dionoea | heh, docs/TECH seems to explain how to do it |
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| 22:01:31 | mongey | Febs you here? |
| 22:01:39 | mongey | or anyone |
| 22:01:48 | Ish_nitti | ok so keep seeing the themes that say "*You will need rockbox with the Album Art patch to use this theme" |
| 22:01:52 | mongey | that wants to try connect to zuh |
| 22:02:19 | Ish_nitti | should the recent daily build contain that patch? |
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| 22:02:52 | mongey | i dont think so |
| 22:04:08 | petur | Ish_nitti: either compile your own versio with the patch or use one of the unsupported experimental builds floating in the forum |
| 22:04:15 | mongey | well |
| 22:04:19 | mongey | there is a build |
| 22:04:44 | Ish_nitti | yeah i grab a build that says it fixes the scroll margin, album art and font |
| 22:04:50 | Ish_nitti | but none of it works |
| 22:05:01 | mongey | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42963 |
| 22:05:06 | Ish_nitti | do you have the link to a build walkthru? i would be happy to do it myself |
| 22:05:15 | dionoea | it's kind of complicated |
| 22:05:27 | Ish_nitti | if its like compiling in linux, i can handle it. |
| 22:05:29 | dionoea | well ... it takes more time than downloading a zip :) |
| 22:05:43 | dionoea | the linux crosscompile howto is quite good |
| 22:05:56 | preglow | dionoea: rockbox allows you to build with profile support if you select a dev configure |
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| 22:06:02 | preglow | dionoea: only works properly on iriver |
| 22:06:07 | preglow | or at least coldfire based targets |
| 22:06:22 | dionoea | ok |
| 22:06:42 | preglow | there are some docs as well |
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| 22:06:45 | mongey | Oh ye what dap? |
| 22:06:45 | dionoea | i forced compilation of the plugins with -O3 to see if it fixes the xobox sound skipping problems :) |
| 22:06:47 | petur | Ish_nitti: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 22:06:56 | preglow | xobox skips? |
| 22:06:57 | preglow | hell |
| 22:07:01 | preglow | then it doesn't yield often enough |
| 22:07:02 | dionoea | on ipod |
| 22:07:04 | preglow | it's not THAT complex a game |
| 22:07:07 | Ish_nitti | mongey: what model of ipod is that for? |
| 22:07:20 | preglow | O3 almost certainly won't prevent skipping |
| 22:07:29 | dionoea | if it makes it faster ... who knows :) |
| 22:07:40 | mongey | Ish_nitti: my bad iriver |
| 22:07:48 | preglow | O3 might very well make it slower |
| 22:07:57 | dionoea | that'd be weird |
| 22:07:58 | preglow | dionoea: anyway, my point is it's probably the wrong approach |
| 22:07:59 | mongey | h300 |
| 22:08:19 | dionoea | preglow: i know :) but i tried finding obvious optimisations in the source and i couldn't find any that really helped |
| 22:08:33 | preglow | you don't necesarilly need to optimise |
| 22:08:46 | preglow | just yield and sleep properly and don't redraw more than necessary, for instance |
| 22:08:55 | dionoea | it yields every 50ms |
| 22:09:11 | amiconn | That's not enough |
| 22:09:16 | preglow | indeed not |
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| 22:09:26 | dionoea | hum ... :) |
| 22:09:29 | Ish_nitti | what does h300 mean? |
| 22:09:30 | amiconn | It seems that with swcodec, you need to yield several times _per tick_ |
| 22:09:31 | Mikachu | i think the yield system is sort of crazy, the amount of yielding 'needed' depends on the target, and all codecs probably yield different amounts too |
| 22:09:47 | dionoea | i'll try settings it to 10ms then |
| 22:10:04 | preglow | Mikachu: not a lot of alternatives |
| 22:10:05 | hardeep | i'd like to see the pcm/playback thread do more every time it's active |
| 22:10:15 | hardeep | according to lostlogic, it only retrieves one frame |
| 22:10:32 | Mikachu | yeah, unless someone wants to write a scheduler (not me) :) |
| 22:10:32 | preglow | yup |
| 22:10:50 | preglow | Mikachu: i've been toying with the idea myself, but i'm not convinced it'll lead to easier coding |
| 22:11:14 | preglow | and it'll not be an easy transition |
| 22:11:34 | preglow | for instance, arm will have to start running at a lower priority |
| 22:12:43 | amiconn | yield() has _very_ little overhead |
| 22:13:08 | preglow | the cache collision overhead is probably bigger then the yield mechanism itself |
| 22:13:19 | dionoea | ok, 03 indeed doesn't help *at all* |
| 22:14:02 | amiconn | On archos, it does usually come out at ~600 yield rounds per second (meaning 600 cycles through _all_ threads!) |
| 22:14:40 | Mikachu | is there hlt or something like that on arm that you would want to call? |
| 22:14:49 | preglow | you mean sleep cpu? |
| 22:14:52 | preglow | i already did that |
| 22:14:55 | Mikachu | ah heh |
| 22:15:12 | preglow | arm has no sleep, but portalplayer has |
| 22:15:17 | Mikachu | if everything just keeps yielding, how do you know when to sleep? |
| 22:15:29 | preglow | if sleep count == thread count |
| 22:15:48 | preglow | as soon as one thread awakes, the sleep count is reset and you go around again |
| 22:15:55 | Mikachu | ah |
| 22:16:15 | preglow | i've been toying around with a sleep time variable for each thread to avoid having to yield if unnecessary |
| 22:16:17 | amiconn | Mikachu: sleep() does increment num_sleepers, then yields |
| 22:16:25 | preglow | but i don't know if it'll do much at all |
| 22:16:35 | preglow | ehh |
| 22:16:39 | preglow | s/yield/switch context/ |
| 22:16:55 | amiconn | If num_sleepers == num_threads, the scheduler calls halt (or the respective CPU's halt equivalent) |
| 22:17:49 | amiconn | The next interrupt will wake it up again. If no thread sleep times out, the scheduler will just do one round, and put the CPU to sleep again |
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| 22:20:26 | preglow | amiconn: but do you think adding a wakeup_tick variable to the context struct to avoid waking up threads unnecessarily would save us anything noticable at all? |
| 22:20:30 | pusling | if I want to buy a rockbox, what hardware should I go for ? |
| 22:20:47 | amiconn | preglow: nope |
| 22:20:52 | preglow | pusling: what do you want? flash/hd? do you use anything other than mp3? colour lcd? spdif? |
| 22:21:30 | amiconn | preglow: Imho it would only make the scheduler more complex, ans slower |
| 22:21:44 | amiconn | sleep() already takes care of the sleep timeout |
| 22:21:45 | pusling | preglow: I want good ogg-vorbis and long battery life ;) |
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| 22:22:25 | preglow | pusling: i think iriver h1x0 is the best player for rockboxing |
| 22:22:40 | preglow | amiconn: complexity gain would be negligible |
| 22:22:48 | pusling | is it still available in normal retail stores ? |
| 22:22:56 | preglow | amiconn: why slower? it would do exactly what sleep() does now, but save us a context switch per thread |
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| 22:23:11 | preglow | pusling: some people say there's been a new run of them, so yes, perhaps |
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| 22:36:35 | dionoea | rha!!!! i added yield calls almost every where and sound still skips |
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| 22:39:23 | prethom | bhargh |
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| 22:41:27 | mongey | Any updates on the h300 power issue |
| 22:41:34 | mongey | since this morning? |
| 22:41:43 | XavierGr | no |
| 22:41:54 | mongey | :P |
| 22:42:10 | mongey | code is being written right ? |
| 22:42:39 | Mikachu | if you want it done faster, send huge amounts of money to amiconn |
| 22:43:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 22:43:45 | * | mongey sends free big mac tokens to amiconn |
| 22:43:50 | mongey | :D all i got |
| 22:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seriously, there will be a commit in the changelog that will surely say something either about the H300 power issue, or the ISP1362 chip. |
| 22:44:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | All you have to do is check the front page, and you'll know when it's done. |
| 22:44:20 | mongey | kk |
| 22:44:39 | * | mongey still hasnt got cygwin working |
| 22:44:47 | XavierGr | I have already bought a lot of confetti boxes when that commit appears :p |
| 22:45:09 | lou | cygwin? its just 'download, doubleclick, wait, done' |
| 22:45:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what cygwin has to do with the CVS log on the front page. |
| 22:45:23 | XavierGr | or download the vmware image. |
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| 22:46:07 | * | Paprica is waiting to the end of the features freeze. |
| 22:46:15 | mongey | dont you remeber i have the error that says i have more than 1 cygwin1.dll |
| 22:46:24 | lou | yeah |
| 22:46:31 | lou | delete the other one |
| 22:46:39 | mongey | there is no other one |
| 22:46:43 | lou | there is |
| 22:46:49 | lou | somewhere in a path |
| 22:46:52 | lou | do a search |
| 22:46:54 | mongey | i searched |
| 22:46:56 | * | XavierGr doesn't like to see the freeze end, until all major bugs are squashed. |
| 22:46:57 | mongey | none |
| 22:46:59 | lou | weird |
| 22:47:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | mongey: I thought you were saying it in response to checking the front page, though, was all. |
| 22:47:03 | lou | i had that aswell |
| 22:47:08 | mongey | ah |
| 22:47:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | VMWare is faster anyway. ;) |
| 22:47:17 | lou | there was another dll in some shit rsync bin folder |
| 22:47:19 | mongey | how did you fix it |
| 22:47:30 | lou | i deleted the 2nd one :( |
| 22:49:34 | * | mongey searches for all cygwin1.dll 's |
| 22:51:31 | mongey | I found one that is in a .tar.bz2 |
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| 22:51:45 | mongey | will i delete? |
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| 22:52:37 | dionoea | hum if i comment out the move_board() call and leave only refresh_board() it still freezes (commenting out refresh_board() makes it work... well run ... without freezing) |
| 22:52:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | mongey: If it's in an archive it should be fine. |
| 22:52:59 | dionoea | so it's definitively a lcd drawing slowness issue |
| 22:53:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: What is this? |
| 22:53:19 | dionoea | xobox |
| 22:53:22 | dionoea | lagg on ipod |
| 22:53:25 | dionoea | audio lagg |
| 22:53:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 22:54:11 | Aghaster | yeah, xobox makes audio playblack lag on ipod |
| 22:54:32 | | Part j^2 |
| 22:54:45 | Aghaster | it does it everytime it has to remove a part of the black you just cut off in the game |
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| 22:55:01 | dionoea | Aghaster: it does it even if i don't move here |
| 22:55:09 | Aghaster | eh |
| 22:55:19 | Aghaster | not on mine |
| 22:55:20 | Aghaster | which ipod? |
| 22:55:27 | dionoea | since i even commented out the moving code |
| 22:55:28 | dionoea | video |
| 22:55:40 | Aghaster | 4th gen photo |
| 22:56:06 | Aghaster | the only game that is fun to play while listenning to music is jewels |
| 22:56:13 | Aghaster | it lags a bit, but its bearable |
| 22:56:22 | dionoea | star is fun too (the ball is a little bit too slow) |
| 22:56:36 | Aghaster | have you tried the fire plugin? |
| 22:56:40 | Aghaster | lol... so useless |
| 22:56:48 | dionoea | and audio will lagg too :) |
| 22:57:02 | Mikachu | Aghaster: i made the color! :) |
| 22:57:02 | Aghaster | yeah, the fire plugin makes music lag so much |
| 22:57:08 | Mikachu | i don't see the ball move in the star plugin |
| 22:57:08 | Aghaster | true? nice lol |
| 22:57:11 | mongey | http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8554/untitled12wm.jpg |
| 22:57:12 | Mikachu | it just jumps |
| 22:57:26 | dionoea | Mikachu: what target ? |
| 22:57:31 | dionoea | err... player |
| 22:57:32 | Mikachu | ipod nano |
| 22:57:37 | Mikachu | but possibly i wasn't playing music at the time |
| 22:57:43 | dionoea | hum ...weird, it seemed to work fine in the sim |
| 22:57:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | mongey: Have you just done some google research on that. It's a Cygwin problem, not a Rockbox one so you should really at this point be following their avenues of support. |
| 22:57:48 | dionoea | what build are you using ? |
| 22:58:28 | Aghaster | it looks like you don't have the toolchain for cross-compiling |
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| 22:59:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: He has the toolchain. Read the whole message, not just the end of it. |
| 22:59:12 | Mikachu | dionoea: it just jumps with music playing too |
| 22:59:14 | Aghaster | yeah |
| 22:59:15 | Aghaster | ok |
| 22:59:22 | Mikachu | dionoea: sometimes when going across the whole screen i can see it one frame in the middle |
| 22:59:23 | dionoea | Mikachu: is it b&w ? or with colors ? |
| 22:59:27 | Mikachu | colors |
| 22:59:28 | Aghaster | Why not use linux then? it would be so easy... |
| 22:59:45 | dionoea | hum, the nano lcd driver must be better than the video's :) |
| 22:59:53 | dionoea | i maybe shouldn't have changed the timer :) |
| 22:59:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Video's is slow because it has the broadcom chip |
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| 23:00:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano's is fastest of the color targets because the screen is also smaller. |
| 23:00:16 | Aghaster | Am i the only one to experience random freezes? |
| 23:00:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Color iPod targets |
| 23:00:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: 4G Grayscale? |
| 23:00:32 | Aghaster | no, color |
| 23:00:34 | tucoz | mongey: have you tried to remove cygwin and start from scratch, following the install instructions _very_ carefully? |
| 23:00:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are they error-message style freezes, or just lock up and have to restart freezes? |
| 23:01:00 | Mikachu | dionoea: it's only a 4th of the size, it's much "faster" :) |
| 23:01:04 | Aghaster | it locks up hard, and i have to reboot my ipod |
| 23:01:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But no error message? |
| 23:01:15 | Aghaster | no error message |
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| 23:01:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it's the "CPU Scaling" issue, though that's not necessarily the full cause, just what people call it. |
| 23:01:34 | Aghaster | it always does that when playing music, it hangs for no reason, randomly |
| 23:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's pretty widely discussed in the forums, and their are bug reports on it. |
| 23:01:59 | mongey | ye |
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| 23:02:04 | mongey | done twice |
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| 23:02:07 | Aghaster | can i have link for these forum threads? |
| 23:02:34 | Mikachu | dionoea: while you're at it, you can change the strange keybindings in the menu too :) |
| 23:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, two problems with that statement. The first of which is that "Threads" implies multiple links. |
| 23:02:50 | tucoz | mongey: have you also tried to do what the error message suggests? |
| 23:02:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | The second is, I don't know where they are offhand, and you can search as quickly as I can. ;) |
| 23:03:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, the only current solution is creating a build without CPU scaling enabled. |
| 23:03:10 | tucoz | mongey: I guess you have, just checking |
| 23:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: He has |
| 23:03:26 | tucoz | ok |
| 23:03:38 | tucoz | annoying problem then |
| 23:03:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: m68k-elf-gcc and arm-elf-gcc both get that message. Normal gcc executes fine. It seems to be a problem associated with the ones he got from the Rockbox Cygwin mirror, somehow |
| 23:03:56 | Aghaster | Paul: ok, the build i use is one i build by myself. where do i disable it? |
| 23:03:58 | tucoz | I see. |
| 23:04:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Dunno. It's a define, in the config-ipodcolor.h or whatever, I would guess. |
| 23:04:53 | Aghaster | k |
| 23:04:56 | Aghaster | i'll search it |
| 23:05:06 | mongey | ill re reinstall |
| 23:06:03 | tucoz | mongey: I am installing cygwin as well at the moment (for the first time). Following the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 23:07:47 | mongey | that what i did |
| 23:08:03 | mongey | cept i followed the screen shots |
| 23:08:18 | tucoz | ok. I'll see if I get the same error |
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| 23:09:57 | mongey | do i only slect the ones which it tells me and deselect the rest? |
| 23:10:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to deselect anything |
| 23:10:34 | mongey | kk |
| 23:10:53 | tucoz | mongey: I only click on the packages that is suggested |
| 23:10:58 | tucoz | no deselecting |
| 23:11:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should be able to, to save space, but there's not much reason to. |
| 23:11:17 | Mikachu | you probably need some of the preselected ones too |
| 23:11:23 | Mikachu | so you'd have to know what you were doing |
| 23:12:11 | mongey | damn super slow mirrror |
| 23:12:51 | tucoz | I selected funet.fi. Quite fast I must say |
| 23:13:20 | mongey | how quick ? |
| 23:13:34 | tucoz | ~480KB/s |
| 23:13:43 | mongey | woah |
| 23:13:48 | mongey | Current Downstream: 45.69 KBytes/s |
| 23:13:59 | tucoz | which is roughly what my internet connection can handle |
| 23:15:16 | mongey | 25% done |
| 23:16:01 | Mikachu | one great thing about the cygwin installer, if you change the mirror it redownloads everything |
| 23:17:01 | tucoz | so I noticed. I accidently stopped the installation at 97%, now I need to go through the package selection once again. |
| 23:17:08 | tucoz | grr |
| 23:17:16 | mongey | will i catch up |
| 23:17:18 | mongey | ..... |
| 23:17:19 | Mikachu | can't expect too much from redhat :) |
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| 23:19:34 | tucoz | and if I select a package, but change my mind. Only the package gets deselected. Not the dependencies... |
| 23:19:59 | tucoz | aha. so it only downloaded the remaining stuff |
| 23:20:22 | tucoz | but it didn't know what packages I had selected and downloaded. |
| 23:20:27 | tucoz | weird |
| 23:20:47 | tucoz | mongey: now the installer is running :) 30% |
| 23:20:49 | Mikachu | you used the same mirror? |
| 23:20:53 | mongey | 86 |
| 23:20:53 | tucoz | yes |
| 23:21:11 | Mikachu | it downloads to mirrorspecific directories... only god knows why |
| 23:21:16 | Mikachu | manually moving the files fixed it iirc |
| 23:21:20 | sharpe | heh |
| 23:21:24 | mongey | 96% |
| 23:21:26 | tucoz | the download is finished |
| 23:21:30 | sharpe | not all the mirrors have the same versions though. |
| 23:21:31 | mongey | nooo |
| 23:21:35 | tucoz | and the installer is at 41% |
| 23:21:38 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:21:41 | sharpe | which, it will alert you to. |
| 23:21:50 | sharpe | so that just kind of is, weird. |
| 23:22:15 | mongey | damn |
| 23:22:20 | mongey | that was for a file |
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| 23:22:45 | Mikachu | why is prot not banned? |
| 23:22:51 | prethom | he is |
| 23:22:57 | prethom | quietbanned, at least |
| 23:23:06 | Mikachu | ah |
| 23:23:08 | | Nick prethom is now known as preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) |
| 23:23:21 | sharpe | ah! you hidden person you. |
| 23:23:36 | preglow | hmm |
| 23:23:46 | preglow | doesn't look like that host is banned anymore... |
| 23:23:47 | mongey | anyway |
| 23:23:57 | mongey | install using rockbox mirror now right? |
| 23:24:28 | tucoz | preglow: is that the nyc host? |
| 23:24:47 | preglow | cox.net |
| 23:24:56 | tucoz | ok, then it was something else |
| 23:25:08 | sharpe | there was another subdomain to it though. |
| 23:25:39 | preglow | ph.ph |
| 23:25:54 | sharpe | yay |
| 23:26:00 | mongey | actually sumthing came up last time |
| 23:26:06 | mongey | about a cygwin1 |
| 23:26:19 | tucoz | Sounds like a clue to your issues |
| 23:26:24 | mongey | and i said delet and it said can not delete |
| 23:26:32 | mongey | just after the install |
| 23:26:40 | Mikachu | and you said "what the hell do you mean 'can not delete'?" |
| 23:26:45 | Mikachu | and it said ^_^;; |
| 23:27:14 | sharpe | heheh.. |
| 23:28:07 | tucoz | my install has been at 98% for a while now |
| 23:28:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that's extraction. |
| 23:29:02 | tucoz | ...running the same script |
| 23:29:27 | tucoz | but the hd-led is blinking every now and then |
| 23:29:33 | tucoz | so I guess all is good |
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| 23:33:52 | mongey | im off |
| 23:34:04 | mongey | getting grief for being on too lon |
| 23:34:05 | mongey | g |
| 23:34:29 | mongey | ill report later :D |
| 23:35:29 | tucoz | do that |
| 23:35:41 | tucoz | my install is still at 98% |
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| 23:36:45 | tucoz | there. finally |
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| 23:39:58 | | Quit ashridah ("gone") |
| 23:40:06 | JackalSMP | i have a question about the ipod video and dual boot if anyone is awake |
| 23:40:10 | preglow | just ask |
| 23:40:15 | JackalSMP | cool |
| 23:40:30 | JackalSMP | does rockbox support video fir ipod vedio? |
| 23:40:34 | preglow | nope |
| 23:40:43 | JackalSMP | how do i dual boot? |
| 23:40:56 | JackalSMP | i have a ipod nano with rokbox on it |
| 23:41:04 | preglow | then you dual boot like on nano |
| 23:41:13 | JackalSMP | how do i ? |
| 23:41:19 | preglow | rockbox on video is pretty much like rockbox on nano |
| 23:41:26 | preglow | by keeping a button pressed while you boot |
| 23:41:33 | preglow | if you press nothing -> rockbox |
| 23:41:46 | preglow | if you keep some other buttons i don't remember pressed -> linux or retail os |
| 23:41:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Menu |
| 23:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | For retail |
| 23:41:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Play/Pause for Linux |
| 23:42:00 | scorche | play for linux |
| 23:42:07 | preglow | what they said |
| 23:42:09 | * | scorche never wins |
| 23:42:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you always try. |
| 23:42:29 | JackalSMP | no it loaded the rockbox for the menu button i pressed |
| 23:42:32 | scorche | no...noT always =) |
| 23:42:43 | scorche | cat pressed the shift button...lol |
| 23:43:12 | JackalSMP | ok i figured it out thank you |
| 23:43:24 | | Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") |
| 23:43:29 | tucoz | is there a paste function in cygwin? |
| 23:43:49 | dionoea | right click on the window's title bar |
| 23:43:58 | dionoea | (it's good old windows term) |
| 23:44:23 | tucoz | then I only get the move/resize etc options |
| 23:44:33 | JackalSMP | how do you turn off the ipod ? |
| 23:44:34 | dionoea | you have stuff to copy/paste too |
| 23:44:40 | dionoea | JackalSMP: hold play |
| 23:44:58 | dionoea | tucoz: or on the icon |
| 23:45:11 | tucoz | ah, thanks |
| 23:45:12 | | Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:45:41 | dionoea | good night ppl |
| 23:45:44 | JackalSMP | i want to boot to rockbox but cant get out of the ipod firmware |
| 23:45:45 | tucoz | night |
| 23:45:55 | sharpe | JackalSMP: hold select and menu. |
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| 23:46:28 | JackalSMP | oh ok thnxs |
| 23:49:53 | tucoz | mongey: in case you read the logs. My install went fine, and I am now building rockbox |
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| 23:51:54 | tucoz | I think that mongey has got an conflicting cygwin1.dll somewhere, and in case he can not delete it, it's becuase windows has locked that file |
| 23:52:06 | mongey | well |
| 23:52:10 | mongey | (back) |
| 23:52:13 | tucoz | you are here :) |
| 23:52:28 | tucoz | how are things progressing? |
| 23:52:32 | mongey | cygwin installer tried to delete a cygwin |
| 23:52:38 | mongey | but it wasnt there |
| 23:52:43 | tucoz | ok |
| 23:53:00 | tucoz | Have you tried now, after your re-install? |
| 23:53:25 | mongey | no |
| 23:53:37 | mongey | where do i extract the source to ? |
| 23:53:47 | tucoz | Just get the cvs tree |
| 23:53:51 | tucoz | easier that way |
| 23:54:20 | mongey | how |
| 23:54:37 | tucoz | if youre home folder is /home/mongey |
| 23:54:41 | tucoz | go to that directory |
| 23:55:07 | tucoz | copy this: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login |
| 23:55:23 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
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| 23:55:38 | tucoz | and paste it to the command line by right-clicking the title bar and choose edit->paste |
| 23:56:00 | | Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) |
| 23:56:06 | tucoz | then copy: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel |
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| 23:56:15 | tucoz | just press enter for the password |
| 23:56:24 | mongey | same |
| 23:56:29 | mongey | same error |
| 23:56:39 | tucoz | ok, search for that file then |
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| 23:57:38 | tucoz | be sure to close cygwin properly before you try and delete the file |
| 23:57:52 | mongey | theres only 1 |
| 23:58:04 | tucoz | on your entire computer? |
| 23:58:18 | tucoz | or in the cygwin folder? |
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| 23:58:45 | mongey | http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4990/untitled19xn.jpg |
| 23:59:01 | mongey | entire computer |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).