| 00:00:08 | obo | is windows set to search hidden and system folders? |
| 00:00:13 | mongey | yep |
| 00:00:22 | mongey | as seen in the screenie |
| 00:00:37 | obo | ah, so it is :) |
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| 00:01:31 | tucoz | mongey: you are not alone. lots of hits on google for that error |
| 00:01:48 | tucoz | e.g. http://metasploit.com/archive/framework/msg00618.html |
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| 00:03:34 | mongey | looks like ill have to leave it |
| 00:03:44 | mongey | :_{ |
| 00:04:31 | tucoz | http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.os.cygwin&followup=78334 |
| 00:05:00 | tucoz | it says that if you are running an app that uses an older cygwin1.dll, then this error is shown |
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| 00:06:01 | mongey | so do i have to get an older cygwin1.dll ? |
| 00:06:37 | tucoz | I am not sure to be frank. I try and find out what version I am using |
| 00:07:24 | mongey | im using 1005.19.0.0 |
| 00:08:03 | tucoz | select file-version in the properties |
| 00:08:23 | mongey | i did |
| 00:08:26 | tucoz | I have 1.15.19-cr-0x5ef |
| 00:08:36 | tucoz | in the list-box |
| 00:09:24 | tucoz | in the version tab, on top it says 1005.19.0.0, but in the same tab there is a list box |
| 00:09:25 | mongey | 1.5.19-cr-0x5ef |
| 00:09:29 | tucoz | same then |
| 00:09:30 | mongey | same |
| 00:09:48 | tucoz | Do you have any stray cygwins running? |
| 00:10:14 | tucoz | if you ctrl-alt-del and see if there are several instances of cygwin running? |
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| 00:11:43 | mongey | only one |
| 00:11:47 | mongey | cmd.exe |
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| 00:12:51 | mongey | :( |
| 00:13:23 | tucoz | the process is called bash.exe I think |
| 00:13:44 | nesukun | It's allowed to create a rockbox 'distro' ? |
| 00:14:02 | tucoz | sure, as long as you follow the gpl |
| 00:14:50 | mongey | ye 1 bash |
| 00:14:58 | JackalSMP | hey is there ipod video themes? |
| 00:15:15 | JackalSMP | or a tutorial on how to make themes |
| 00:15:20 | tucoz | mongey: ok. I am starting to feel sorry for you. is the vmware image out of the question? |
| 00:15:27 | mongey | ye |
| 00:15:38 | mongey | i rather not use it |
| 00:15:55 | tucoz | but instead hastle with cygwin til the end of time? |
| 00:16:27 | tucoz | JackalSMP: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 00:16:28 | mongey | ok ill try this |
| 00:17:10 | tucoz | JackalSMP: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking , http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 00:17:17 | JackalSMP | ok thnxs |
| 00:17:37 | tucoz | good night |
| 00:17:44 | tucoz | good luck mongey |
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| 00:18:50 | Aghaster | where can i find the credits for rockbox? |
| 00:18:51 | mongey | :{ |
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| 00:20:28 | markun | Aghaster: docs/CREDITS |
| 00:20:46 | Aghaster | www.rockbox.org/docs/CREDITS? |
| 00:20:54 | mongey | is the devkit avaible ? |
| 00:21:03 | markun | Aghaster: no, in cvs |
| 00:21:05 | mongey | no in the source |
| 00:21:07 | Aghaster | k |
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| 00:21:50 | tucoz | mongey: I think the current cygwin/vmware solution is what is recommended |
| 00:22:03 | tucoz | I am not sure the devkit is being maintained |
| 00:22:23 | mongey | :( |
| 00:22:53 | markun | mongey: perhaps you can maintain it |
| 00:23:07 | mongey | probly not |
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| 00:23:51 | tucoz | mongey: when you reinstalled cygwin, did you wipe the old cygwin completely? |
| 00:24:23 | mongey | yes |
| 00:24:27 | tucoz | oki |
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| 00:38:39 | mongey | yes |
| 00:39:31 | littleMERMA | it's good |
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| 02:51:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points out that it should not be 40C already. Ouch. |
| 02:51:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I officially hate the sun. |
| 02:54:15 | Aghaster | lolll |
| 02:54:22 | Aghaster | buy yourself a t-shirt "the sun wants to kill me" |
| 02:56:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I figure if lung cancer is nature's way of telling us smoking is bad, skin cancer must be a pretty clear message too. |
| 02:56:38 | Quarryman | hmm.. here it's raining.. I don't think that's any better |
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| 03:00:41 | Aghaster | dunno |
| 03:01:04 | Aghaster | Meat's making people fat, but people eat it anyway. Is that a message of nature? lol |
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| 03:29:50 | JdGordon | morning all |
| 03:30:24 | JdGordon | anyone know if amicon had any luck killing the usbotg chip? |
| 03:31:23 | scorche | not as of yet |
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| 03:41:56 | sharpe | Aghaster: it's not that it's meat, it's that it's the fat :D |
| 03:42:10 | sharpe | forty minute reply! yes! |
| 03:42:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:42:24 | Aghaster | lol |
| 03:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sunlight can give you skin cancer the first time you step outside, if you have bad luck |
| 03:42:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've never heard of one person taking a bite of steak and suddenly becoming dangerously overweight. |
| 03:43:02 | Aghaster | well, its just that i'm vegetarian. some people do not take sun light, some do no use microsoft products, and i dont eat meat... |
| 03:43:03 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:43:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It might be fun to watch if that happened though. |
| 03:43:19 | sharpe | of course, tie the windows jokes in... :) |
| 03:43:25 | Aghaster | :P |
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| 03:47:02 | Mikachu | you could get skin cancer sitting in a sealed cave with no light soucre |
| 03:47:18 | XavierGr | why not eat meat? It is delicious...unless you think its taste is bad. |
| 03:47:29 | XavierGr | I hate sun too. |
| 03:47:55 | XavierGr | But sun can be both dangerous and good for your health... |
| 03:48:02 | sharpe | it's like a tradeoff. |
| 03:48:51 | Aghaster | i don't because i decided it was wrong to kill animals when not needed |
| 03:49:06 | Aghaster | and anyway, its better for the health and the environment. |
| 03:49:12 | JdGordon | mmmm.... dead cooow .... *drools* |
| 03:49:21 | XavierGr | Aghaster: Sorry to say that but I completely disagree with you. |
| 03:49:25 | sharpe | yay, project gutenberg dvd downloaded! |
| 03:49:42 | Aghaster | I know, 96% of the people in north america disagree with m,e |
| 03:49:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's actually one of the reasons for vegetarianism I tend not to agree with, partially because I've had animals try to eat *me* in the past. |
| 03:49:53 | XavierGr | And no it isn't better for health nor the environment. |
| 03:50:04 | XavierGr | haha |
| 03:50:15 | sharpe | howso paul? :) |
| 03:50:24 | Aghaster | Producing food to feed an animal and then kill the animal is a process that causes lots of waste |
| 03:50:30 | Aghaster | just produce food right away. |
| 03:50:37 | JdGordon | you know whats really funy about vegys that use that excuse? they actually do more harm than good... less demand == cheaper meat != less killing :D |
| 03:50:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Starving dogs, when I lived in Indonesia. |
| 03:51:03 | Aghaster | less demand means less producing |
| 03:51:06 | sharpe | Ah. |
| 03:51:23 | XavierGr | My opinion: If you like meat eat it. There is not a single reason to go against your nature. |
| 03:51:43 | Aghaster | And of course, you have the definition of what's "natural" ;) |
| 03:51:54 | sharpe | there are such great philosophical discussions here. |
| 03:52:15 | JdGordon | so hang on, do u eat fish? |
| 03:52:20 | JdGordon | eggs? |
| 03:52:23 | Aghaster | Think of it a minute. We're the only specy that drinks milk during its whole life, and that drinks it from another specy |
| 03:52:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Humans actually initially ate fatty bone marrow primarily, as scavengers, because most predators couldn't crack the bones but mankind's predecessors could with stones. |
| 03:52:31 | Aghaster | isn't that kinda unatural? |
| 03:52:44 | Aghaster | no fish |
| 03:52:47 | Aghaster | eggs, not a lot |
| 03:52:56 | Aghaster | some milk products, yes |
| 03:52:58 | sharpe | well, it makes you wonder, who was the first person to drink milk from a cow... |
| 03:53:03 | Aghaster | but i dont drink milk, i prefer soymilk |
| 03:53:05 | XavierGr | unatural is for a sheep to eat a pig! :p |
| 03:53:06 | Galois | Aghaster, inefficiency is not a compelling argument ... entropy is a fact of life, get used to it |
| 03:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Actually it's true, and most peoples' bodies to some degree reject drinking milk, though in most cases it's mild enough that nobody notices. |
| 03:53:13 | Galois | I'm not about to give up life just to decrease entropy |
| 03:53:33 | Aghaster | I like to be controversial :P hehe |
| 03:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: But drinking soymilk is hypocritical. You're saying "The idea of drinking milk is bad, but I like it enough that I'll drink a fake one." |
| 03:54:15 | Aghaster | no, soymilk isn't hypocritical. its just taking the idea of drinking something that is loaded with nutrients |
| 03:54:21 | Aghaster | but not with the bad stuff we have in the milk |
| 03:54:21 | sharpe | you can make almost anything out of soy... |
| 03:54:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something intended to simulate milk. |
| 03:54:29 | Aghaster | and without making cows being exploited for it |
| 03:54:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | And "bad stuff"? |
| 03:54:31 | XavierGr | So aghaster do you like the taste of meat? |
| 03:54:41 | Aghaster | yeah, cholesterol only exists in animal products |
| 03:55:05 | Aghaster | I used too, and i can eat quite nice soy products |
| 03:55:14 | Aghaster | that are in fact more tasty in some cases. |
| 03:55:16 | Galois | inefficiency might be persuasive if humanity were facing resource exhaustion, but we are not. The main problem is distribution, not production. |
| 03:55:26 | JdGordon | the Holy book says the Lord put everything on the earth to please man, it also says if its dead you can eat it.. who am I to argue with that..? |
| 03:55:37 | Aghaster | Galois: Excuse me, the environmental problem is a problem of actuality |
| 03:55:49 | Aghaster | We're going straight to death if we don't change our bad habits |
| 03:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, this conversation is going on too long off topic, and looks like it may get into real argument... |
| 03:55:57 | XavierGr | JdGordon: I don't take the bible for granted about those things |
| 03:56:00 | Aghaster | Not us, but our children yes |
| 03:56:01 | JdGordon | we'll die quicker if we dont eat |
| 03:56:03 | sharpe | oh noes |
| 03:56:04 | Galois | those bad habits are not related to diet, at least not to the degree that vegetarians insist |
| 03:56:11 | sharpe | religion and eating habits do not mix... |
| 03:56:31 | Galois | I agree that it would benefit the environment if we ate _less_ meat, but to abstain from meat brings the discussion far out of the range of relevance to environmentalism |
| 03:56:37 | Aghaster | You can't deny eating vegetarian takes less resources |
| 03:56:42 | Aghaster | just google it, you'll get the facts |
| 03:56:54 | Galois | again, the difference between a little meat and no meat is absolutely nil in environmental terms |
| 03:56:57 | Aghaster | Well, have i said you needed to completely abstain from it? |
| 03:57:07 | JdGordon | yes you can, you need much more land to grow enough rice for the wolrd than you would to gro enough cows |
| 03:57:09 | Galois | I am fine with low meat diets, I just get upset at people who insist on total abstinence |
| 03:57:18 | Aghaster | I chose to do. you aren't obliged to adopt my ideas |
| 03:57:43 | * | JdGordon has an exam in 2hours, shuold rob go get dressed |
| 03:57:46 | JdGordon | cyaz all |
| 03:57:51 | Aghaster | cya |
| 03:58:22 | XavierGr | JdGordon: bye and good luck |
| 03:58:44 | Galois | fishing is another example ... yes the problems of overfishing are well known, but the solution here is to adopt sustainable fishing practices, not to refrain entirely from fishing for the entire remainder of all time |
| 03:58:53 | XavierGr | Aghaster: You should try to eat meat once in a while, actually it is very healthy. |
| 03:59:07 | Aghaster | Well, the meat industry wants you to believe that |
| 03:59:15 | Aghaster | Of course, they want to sell you their products. |
| 03:59:20 | XavierGr | no, the doctors say that. |
| 03:59:30 | Aghaster | I am one who does not believe what the majority of the people believe |
| 03:59:41 | Galois | modern industrial meat is probably not of net health benefit |
| 03:59:42 | XavierGr | This has nothing to do with majority |
| 03:59:52 | Aghaster | Therefore, the entire world around me will try to convince me i'm wrong :P |
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| 04:00:01 | Aghaster | Of course, it is |
| 04:00:03 | XavierGr | complete luck of meat is unhealthy |
| 04:00:14 | Galois | complete lack of animal products is unhealthy |
| 04:00:17 | Aghaster | If you were born vegetarian in a vegetarian world, you would be saying the exact contrary |
| 04:00:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Mankind is an omnivore. By definition it is unnatural for us, as a species, to avoid meat altogether, just as it is unnatural for us to subsist solely on it. |
| 04:00:20 | Galois | you can probably get by without meat |
| 04:00:38 | XavierGr | yes |
| 04:00:47 | Aghaster | Pau: I'd say human beings are vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivore diet more than the contrary |
| 04:00:51 | XavierGr | but you can get without veges too :p |
| 04:00:57 | Galois | Paul_The_Nerd I totally agree that vegetarianism is unnatural, but also feeding cows on corn and various other oil-based meat raising practices used in industry today are unnatural |
| 04:01:12 | Aghaster | Xavier: I'd like to see that, and see how long you would last without an heart attack |
| 04:01:13 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:01:14 | XavierGr | galois: exavtly |
| 04:01:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Under what basis do you have that we're naturally vegetarian? We evolved from scavenger carnivores according to most evidence. |
| 04:01:40 | XavierGr | Aghaster: yes that is truth, but both scenarios are extreme and should be avoided |
| 04:01:50 | XavierGr | truth= true |
| 04:01:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: And I never said that's not unnatural. |
| 04:02:16 | Galois | there is overwhelming palentological and archaeological evidence that biologically man is carnivorous |
| 04:02:38 | XavierGr | Galois: some say the opposite though |
| 04:02:41 | Aghaster | First, i'd like to see you eat meat like animals do. We have so good teeth to cut the meat without a knife and a fork... Second: Our intestines aren't those of a carnivore, if you get constipated the meat stays too long in it and starts creating toxins |
| 04:03:11 | Galois | earlier ancestors of men did have good teeth |
| 04:03:17 | XavierGr | yes |
| 04:03:25 | Aghaster | Well, as far as i know, we aren't our ancestors |
| 04:03:29 | Galois | intestines is hard to argue because they don't tend to survive in fossils |
| 04:03:29 | Aghaster | we are modern humans |
| 04:03:46 | XavierGr | that's why neandertal had his low jaw way further than the upper. |
| 04:03:47 | Galois | I believe the argument here involves what we were in the past |
| 04:04:01 | Galois | the claim is that, historically, man is carnivorous |
| 04:04:15 | Aghaster | carnivorous means we eat meat only |
| 04:04:20 | Aghaster | well, doing that will kill you |
| 04:04:30 | Aghaster | and that's a fact. |
| 04:04:41 | Galois | historically, man had lower lifespans than today |
| 04:04:55 | Galois | so, yes, I agree, it will kill you, but it won't kill you fast enough that you can't reproduce |
| 04:04:59 | Aghaster | And historically, men used to eat less meat than we do today :P |
| 04:05:17 | Galois | depends on what time scale you're talking here |
| 04:05:19 | XavierGr | there must be a balance between those two |
| 04:05:22 | Aghaster | its with the arrival of industrialisation that we started to produce that much and to eat that much meat |
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| 04:05:37 | Galois | agriculture is arguably as abrupt a disruption as industrialization |
| 04:05:40 | Aghaster | and with that increase came the increase of diseases like obesity and heart disease |
| 04:05:46 | XavierGr | Aghaster: that's why the life span has increased so much though |
| 04:05:52 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Aghaster: I said we evolved from carnivore scavengers. They actually tended to eat less than fresh meat, and break open bones for the fatty marrow inside. We are now omnivores, which means our diet should subsist of both substances. If you'd like to compare to some of our close relatives, animals like chimpanzees and other apes tend to eat a variety of insects as well as fruits, again omnivorous. |
| 04:05:56 | Galois | you're being very crafty to choose a timeframe that falls after agriculture but before industrialization |
| 04:05:59 | Galois | I reject this deviousness |
| 04:06:23 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Even the earliest cave drawings show mankind *hunting* rather than farming. |
| 04:06:43 | XavierGr | anyway there is no point to argue about it. This kind of discussion gets perpetual even between scientists |
| 04:06:53 | Aghaster | People tend to forget that the fact that something's been done for a long time is never an argument for continuing it |
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| 04:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: But I'm not arguing to continue it |
| 04:07:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I was stating was that we as a species are omnivorous. |
| 04:07:26 | Aghaster | yeah, we can see it like that |
| 04:07:27 | Aghaster | i agree |
| 04:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | You didn't earlier |
| 04:07:48 | Aghaster | I said we were vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivorous diet |
| 04:07:49 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:07:55 | Galois | we are not vegetarians |
| 04:08:00 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 04:08:03 | Aghaster | It depends on how you see it :P |
| 04:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said "'I'd say human beings are vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivore diet more than the contrary" |
| 04:08:19 | Aghaster | don't take what i say as the absolute truth, because its not. and what you say isn't either |
| 04:08:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which very clearly covers a disagreement with my statement |
| 04:08:46 | Galois | the adaptation, if anything, was completely the other way around. The only way you could see it your way is if you start counting from your very carefully chosen point in time after agriculture and before industrialization |
| 04:08:49 | Aghaster | I agree with the fact that you see it like that |
| 04:08:58 | Aghaster | and i perfectly understand you |
| 04:09:03 | Aghaster | that's what i want you to understand |
| 04:09:17 | Aghaster | You know, i wasn't born vegetarian. I had the chance to see both sides |
| 04:09:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 04:09:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | But as an animal you're still *capable* of eating meat |
| 04:09:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | By definition you're an omnivore who lives contrary to his nature. |
| 04:10:05 | Galois | I do support the view that the modern meat packing industry is wholly unnatural and should be abolished, which seems to be your main complaint about meat |
| 04:10:17 | Aghaster | But that's still a question that cannot be answered: Is it natural or not? |
| 04:10:38 | Aghaster | You have to see my opinion as based on many arguments, not on only one. |
| 04:10:49 | Aghaster | When one of them fails to justify everything, the others do |
| 04:10:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Define "Natural" |
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| 04:11:05 | Aghaster | That's what i say, how can we define what's natural? |
| 04:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Natural is "Not artificial" |
| 04:11:12 | webguest12 | I eat pussy and I love it, too bad you can't! |
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| 04:11:18 | XavierGr | haha |
| 04:11:20 | Galois | it gets very hard to define |
| 04:11:22 | Aghaster | What's natural is what we consider being normal, in the normal order of things |
| 04:11:30 | sharpe | well, that's... odd. |
| 04:11:30 | Aghaster | haha |
| 04:11:31 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, natural and normal are two different things. |
| 04:11:39 | Galois | technically, humans are a product of nature, so man-made things are in a way "natural" |
| 04:11:52 | Aghaster | Well, if you ask me what's natural for me, it obviously won't be the same definition as you |
| 04:12:05 | Aghaster | Therefore, something "natural" is simply a question of personal opinion |
| 04:12:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let me ask, before you could rationalize not doing so, did you eat meat? |
| 04:12:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instinctually, you did. |
| 04:12:46 | Galois | however, regardless of the precise definition, it's clear to me that humans naturally eat meat |
| 04:12:48 | Aghaster | I did not by instinct |
| 04:12:55 | Aghaster | I did because my parents raised me that way |
| 04:13:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | You think that all human meat eating is from training from prior generations? |
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| 04:13:36 | Aghaster | Yes, of course. A baby cannot decide to eat meat by himself, someone has to teach him |
| 04:13:57 | Aghaster | The little kid won't get in the woods and kill an animal by instinct, someone had to show him he could do that |
| 04:13:58 | XavierGr | Aghaster: try to teach a sheep to eat meat |
| 04:14:09 | Aghaster | He isn't made for that |
| 04:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yet clearly we are. |
| 04:14:17 | Aghaster | But we are talking about humans |
| 04:14:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Therefor it's natural. |
| 04:14:23 | Aghaster | no, its not |
| 04:14:25 | XavierGr | that's why humans are classified as iomnivore |
| 04:14:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try teaching a lion not to eat meat. |
| 04:14:32 | Aghaster | What about if we you raised vegetarian? |
| 04:14:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I could still chose to eat meat, right? |
| 04:14:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | choose |
| 04:14:52 | Aghaster | Yeah, its a choice |
| 04:14:58 | Aghaster | you can or you can choose not to |
| 04:15:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means clearly we are physically capable of both. |
| 04:15:13 | Galois | you can choose not to eat vegetables too, what's your point? |
| 04:15:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means eating meat, AND not eating meat is natural. |
| 04:15:18 | Aghaster | We are capable. that doesn't mean we should |
| 04:15:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means, by the definition of the word "omnivore" we are so. |
| 04:15:32 | Aghaster | You know, i have the ability to take a gun and kill people in the street |
| 04:15:41 | Aghaster | is that an argument to say i should do that? |
| 04:15:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | No. |
| 04:15:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | But guess what |
| 04:15:50 | Aghaster | Well, same for eating meat. |
| 04:15:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Until you train a kid not to, he will act aggressively to other kids. |
| 04:16:03 | Aghaster | That's not because you are able to that its good |
| 04:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Until you teach a kid not to hit other kids, he will do so. |
| 04:16:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, naturally, mankind is aggressive and even warlike. |
| 04:16:30 | Aghaster | Yeah, well will a kid ask to eat meat while he doesn't know what it is? |
| 04:16:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | But, in normal society, he isn't. |
| 04:16:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Will he ask to eat veggies? |
| 04:16:40 | Aghaster | i'd like to see that. it would be an interesting experiment |
| 04:16:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | He will ask for FOOD |
| 04:16:51 | Aghaster | Yeah, and that's where we need to define food |
| 04:16:51 | Aghaster | :) |
| 04:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | If a kid has never heard of a vegetable, he of course can't ask for it. |
| 04:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same with meat. |
| 04:17:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, that argument lacks *any* logical validity. |
| 04:17:10 | Aghaster | But will he act strangely because he never ate it? |
| 04:17:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno, most kids I know don't want the vegetables |
| 04:17:25 | Aghaster | Will he become aggressive because he never tasted meat? i doubt so |
| 04:17:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Chicken Nuggets == Good, Broccoli == Bad |
| 04:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does aggressiveness have to do with it at all? |
| 04:17:44 | Galois | there are entire cultures where vegetarianism is the norm |
| 04:17:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 04:17:51 | Aghaster | Yeah |
| 04:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | And there's nothing wrong with that |
| 04:18:01 | Aghaster | and for these people, this is just the way nature goes. |
| 04:18:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | My only point is that you have yet to present a sound argument that humanity is herbivorous. |
| 04:18:07 | Galois | but, to say that humanity as a whole behaves that way, is utter nonsense |
| 04:18:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Herbivores that unnaturally choose to eat meat. |
| 04:18:30 | Galois | there is a real quantifiable difference between humans and true vegetarians like cows |
| 04:18:32 | Aghaster | Well, if humanity chose that way we would have far less pollution in the world |
| 04:18:41 | Galois | you're confusing two issues now |
| 04:18:53 | Aghaster | No, i'm not |
| 04:18:55 | Galois | we're arguing whether humans are omnivorous. Whether or not that's good is a separate debate. |
| 04:18:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: Suggestion 1: Take a logic class, or if you've taken one, stop and apply what you've learned. |
| 04:19:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have never once suggested that eating meat is BETTER, simply that humans naturally do so. |
| 04:19:36 | Aghaster | And that's where i stop you, were we cannot agree on what's being natural |
| 04:19:40 | Aghaster | i told you earlier. |
| 04:19:46 | Galois | humans are naturally omnivorous. That doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing to be omnivorous. (I think it is, but I recognize the other side of the argument) |
| 04:19:56 | Galois | humans are also naturally warmongering, which is clearly not good |
| 04:20:38 | Aghaster | See it as you want, i'm not here to convince you |
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| 04:20:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aghaster: I suppose the only way to determine whether we are or aren't would be to raise 20 kids without human interference, and present them with food of varying sorts, never telling them which is meat and which isn't, and see which they choose to eat. Any bets? |
| 04:21:17 | Aghaster | I'd bet some kids would try eat, because they would be curious |
| 04:21:23 | Aghaster | who wouldn't? |
| 04:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | And do you think they'd continue eating the meat? |
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| 04:21:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because a herbivore wouldn't eat the meat. Period. |
| 04:21:42 | Galois | I know people who come from vegetarian cultures, who now eat meat (in violation of their parents' religion I might add) |
| 04:22:02 | XavierGr | for me omnivore = the organism that can consume both meath and vegetables. (even if one of them can cause some damage if over consumed) |
| 04:22:20 | Aghaster | In my case, it was my personal decision, and i am alone in my family to be like that |
| 04:22:42 | Aghaster | The important is to know why you do something. |
| 04:22:48 | XavierGr | In my case I can say that I dislike vegetables. |
| 04:22:49 | Galois | cats will eat vegetables if they are hungry enough, but I consider cats carnivores |
| 04:22:59 | XavierGr | Galois: really? |
| 04:23:04 | Galois | really |
| 04:23:04 | Aghaster | yeah, cats naturally eat other animals |
| 04:23:08 | XavierGr | Cats can eat vegetables? |
| 04:23:19 | Galois | well, that's not so surprising. Humans will eat grass and all sorts of harmful things if they get hungry enough |
| 04:23:29 | Galois | cardboard, glue, etc. |
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| 04:23:36 | Aghaster | ..animals.. |
| 04:23:37 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:23:52 | Aghaster | all sorts of things ;) |
| 04:24:18 | XavierGr | I have never encountered a cat that can eat veges though |
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| 04:24:31 | Galois | I was in india a few weeks ago, there were cats eating _rice_ there |
| 04:24:39 | Aghaster | w00t |
| 04:24:40 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:24:52 | XavierGr | wow, must have been "hungry" |
| 04:26:54 | XavierGr | I consume a lot of meat and too litle vegetables. |
| 04:27:07 | Aghaster | Well, of course, this debate is a never ending one. I have so much arguments in mind (Yup, I often debate that, people are often debating that with me when they learn it, so i know lots of arguments hehe) |
| 04:27:27 | XavierGr | Maybe I will die of heart attack on my 60 |
| 04:27:34 | Aghaster | But i think something we can all agree on is that industrialised farming is not going the natural way |
| 04:27:51 | Aghaster | and that in our society we eat too much of it, at least compared to our past |
| 04:27:58 | Aghaster | and this leads to health problems. |
| 04:27:59 | Galois | I would certainly agree that the modern industrial production of _cheap_ meat is bad for both health and environment |
| 04:28:15 | XavierGr | lucky me I live in Crete :p |
| 04:28:25 | XavierGr | we have good meat here. |
| 04:28:26 | Aghaster | Yeah, and that's a good reason to reduce meat consumption, or if you are really convinced like me, to go vegetarian |
| 04:28:35 | XavierGr | no, no way |
| 04:28:38 | Aghaster | Because i my case it goes further than just that |
| 04:28:47 | XavierGr | I can't deny the joys of the flesh |
| 04:28:47 | Aghaster | in* |
| 04:28:56 | Typoboy | Better idea: everything with moderation |
| 04:28:58 | Aghaster | Have i said you had to? |
| 04:29:01 | XavierGr | yup |
| 04:29:01 | Aghaster | nope. |
| 04:29:03 | Galois | in the US meat is basically made from oil |
| 04:29:06 | Aghaster | haha |
| 04:29:18 | Aghaster | Never take my arguments as obligations |
| 04:29:26 | Aghaster | they are there for you to take or to ignore |
| 04:29:40 | Galois | the whole infrastructure relies on cheap petroleum |
| 04:29:40 | XavierGr | Well my grandmother sends us a rooster that she raised once in a while. I know it is good. |
| 04:30:07 | Aghaster | Well, that was a good discussion guys, but now i need to go to sleep. I have a physics exam tomorrow |
| 04:30:14 | XavierGr | and eggs too. |
| 04:30:16 | Galois | down to the fertilizing of the corn kernels that they use as the primary feed for the cows |
| 04:30:24 | Aghaster | good night |
| 04:30:25 | XavierGr | bye Aghaster and good luck. |
| 04:30:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: The interesting thing is that a quite good diesel alternative comes from soybeans. |
| 04:30:56 | XavierGr | Aghaster: Next time I will eat a stake I will make sure to remeber you :p |
| 04:31:03 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:31:11 | Aghaster | yeah, people often think of me when they do |
| 04:31:16 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 04:31:16 | Aghaster | and they tell me after |
| 04:31:38 | Aghaster | "hey i hate a gooooooood steak and i thought of you, isn't it so tasty?" |
| 04:31:43 | Aghaster | ;) |
| 04:31:44 | Galois | I'm concerned that current methods of biodiesel production are not profitable, and I don't mean financially profitable, I mean I am worried that it actually takes more than a gallon worth of oil to make a gallon of biodiesel |
| 04:31:46 | XavierGr | :D |
| 04:32:00 | Aghaster | well, if they can have fun... then they can. It doesn't bother me |
| 04:32:01 | Aghaster | lol |
| 04:32:03 | Aghaster | :P |
| 04:32:09 | Galois | because, large scale farming in this country is currently done with petrochemical fertilizer |
| 04:32:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Yes, but that method can change. |
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| 04:32:39 | Galois | yes, it sure can, but then will it scale up to automotive needs? I don't know |
| 04:32:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, there's no question that we WILL run out of petrochemicals eventually. |
| 04:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, it has to be solved. |
| 04:33:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, too many people seem to be in no hurry to do so. |
| 04:33:30 | XavierGr | someone said to me, mankind is so stupid to burn oil for fuel while from this we can construct so many things. |
| 04:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | And people working for oil companies see it as *serving society* to provide oil and gas. |
| 04:35:24 | Galois | if we abolished federal farm subsidies, then it would be clear just from the market price how much oil input a gallon of biofuels requires, but ... that's never going to happen. Farm subsidies are immortal. |
| 04:36:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah well. |
| 04:36:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lots of debate to be had on this. |
| 04:36:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | But back to work on stuff I have to get done. |
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| 04:59:42 | EbErT | can someone give me advice on getting m3u's to work? |
| 04:59:51 | EbErT | is there a certain place the m3u's should be put? |
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| 05:00:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you having a problem with them? |
| 05:00:55 | EbErT | yes, it says [error] next to the song |
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| 05:01:13 | EbErT | its probably not finding them |
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| 05:01:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | How are you creating the M3Us? |
| 05:01:48 | EbErT | from an itunes playlist with the same songs in it |
| 05:01:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally speaking, you should copy the files to the device, point whatever software you're using to make them at the copies on the unit, then save the M3U to wherever you want it. |
| 05:02:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iTunes playlist probably points to the copies on your computer |
| 05:02:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Remember, iTunes renames the songs on the player, so the playlist will be looking for differently named files in different locations. |
| 05:02:40 | EbErT | those songs on the player were all renamed by itunes |
| 05:02:47 | EbErT | but you are probably right, that's why its not working |
| 05:03:21 | EbErT | i just found a really cool software that generates playlists in itunes, a shame m3u's from them won't work. its called mobster |
| 05:03:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the playlist in iTunes will be entirely based on your on-computer files normally |
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| 05:03:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | You do know that you can create playlists on the iPod in Rockbox, right? |
| 05:04:30 | EbErT | yes. but that just picks them out one at a time, right |
| 05:05:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean? |
| 05:05:17 | EbErT | my problem is, tagcache doesn't work either. so I basically am just listening to my whole collection either shuffled or alphabetical |
| 05:05:49 | EbErT | you have to select a song one at a time and say "add to playlist" |
| 05:06:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally, yes. But then you save the playlist and you can reuse it. |
| 05:06:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, what problem are you having with tagcache? |
| 05:06:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And why not copy the files over properly, rather than using iTunes? |
| 05:06:41 | EbErT | oh, i have some messed up tags or corrupted files |
| 05:07:02 | EbErT | i've found some of them, but a couple are making it freeze while its loading the cache |
| 05:07:23 | EbErT | i know they are working on code to either skip bad ones, or generate a document telling which ones it couldn't handle |
| 05:08:06 | EbErT | what do you mean copying with itunes? i copy the files from a folder, but all of those songs were originally in itunes, which renamed them to only show the song name |
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| 05:09:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, then the copies of the songs that are on your player aren't even in iTunes, are they? |
| 05:09:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not use another simple music player to create an M3U based off the copies on your player? |
| 05:09:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many music players support M3U |
| 05:11:00 | EbErT | yes, i've got an exact duplicate of all the files on my external harddrive. but using m3u's from that over to the player doesn't work, as i've tried heh |
| 05:11:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's not what I said to do. |
| 05:11:39 | EbErT | you mean load my songs on the player into another simple music player, then create m3u's from them |
| 05:11:45 | EbErT | yes, i know |
| 05:12:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, why not do that? |
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| 05:12:34 | EbErT | haven't searched around for a good one on mac, and i kinda want an automatic playlist creator that works too |
| 05:12:38 | EbErT | like the one i found for itunes |
| 05:13:26 | EbErT | frankly, i dunno if there is a really good music player for mac |
| 05:13:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Automatic"? |
| 05:13:33 | EbErT | a weakness |
| 05:14:08 | EbErT | well, you put in one artist that you have in your collection, and it creates a playlists containing them and other similar ones |
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| 05:14:15 | EbErT | based on genre, other things |
| 05:14:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other things? |
| 05:14:37 | EbErT | also has an online database to tell you similar artists you don't have, really neat |
| 05:14:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:15:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for the moment you could simply organize your filetree by Genre\Artist\Album\Title.format |
| 05:15:23 | EbErT | http://www.musicmobs.com/ |
| 05:15:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you could play a whole genre, or simply all of one artist's songs within it, or simply one album |
| 05:16:03 | EbErT | with it only displaying the song name in folder view? |
| 05:16:09 | Mikachu | what do you do when an album has songs from different genres? |
| 05:16:44 | EbErT | you mean from the id3 tags |
| 05:16:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 05:16:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean that you organize the songs in folders |
| 05:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Based on what you've put in the tags |
| 05:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably using a mass tag&rename tool |
| 05:17:18 | EbErT | ya, i've tried that, but it did shortcuts to the actual songs |
| 05:17:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, there are two solutions. One, drop the genre, or two, create playlists for split albums that contain all songs from the multiple genre sections of that album. |
| 05:17:41 | EbErT | yes, i could do that, but then have a massive amount of folders :o |
| 05:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Then you used a really really horrible program |
| 05:17:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why is it bad to have alot of folders? |
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| 05:18:10 | EbErT | no, the program can also copy over the song to the folder, don't think it will MOVE it there tho |
| 05:18:31 | EbErT | well, i can't scroll through a lot of songs at once |
| 05:18:38 | EbErT | and shuffle, although that's not a big deal |
| 05:18:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1) Have it copy the songs from your PC to valid folders on your iPod |
| 05:18:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2) You can shuffle all. |
| 05:19:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3) Why do you need all the songs in a single list? |
| 05:19:07 | EbErT | even in folders? didn't konw that |
| 05:19:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you want all the songs in one list, create a playlist of all songs, then scroll through it, anyway. |
| 05:19:22 | EbErT | (for #2) |
| 05:19:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can quick create playlists from folders |
| 05:19:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Put all the subfolders within one folder called music |
| 05:19:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Insert Music into the playlist, and you get one with all songs. |
| 05:20:32 | EbErT | oh, so it will read everything in subfolders |
| 05:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you enable "Recursively insert subdirectories" then yes. |
| 05:20:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's all in the manual... |
| 05:20:55 | EbErT | wow. i haven't done much with m3u creation |
| 05:21:52 | EbErT | i don't think i would have understood or thought of that as a solution by looking in the manual, so thx for helping anyway |
| 05:22:35 | EbErT | i really wish tagcache was more crashproof, hoping some headway is made on that |
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| 05:22:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the simple solution is to have valid files. |
| 05:23:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, if you created all the files yourself, there's no reason they'd be invalid. ;) |
| 05:23:17 | EbErT | yeah, in a perfect world :) |
| 05:23:19 | EbErT | heh |
| 05:23:39 | EbErT | some i got off the oollld napster |
| 05:23:47 | EbErT | just a few tho |
| 05:24:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, odds are good those are your culprits. |
| 05:25:12 | EbErT | you know of an ingenious way to look for invalid files? the massive tag&rename tool fished out some it couldn't handle |
| 05:25:41 | EbErT | some that were bad were off of a streaming radio, where i recorded them with a program that auto named them |
| 05:25:59 | EbErT | so who knows all the ones that are bad |
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| 05:27:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, one solution is this: |
| 05:27:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Step 1: Tag and rename. |
| 05:27:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Step 2: Delete all tags |
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| 05:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Step 3: Retag from folders |
| 05:27:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most automated renaming programs can also generate the tags from the folder structure. |
| 05:27:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | So make sure to include all the important tags to you somewhere in the structure you tell it to delete. |
| 05:28:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | create rather, not delete |
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| 05:29:05 | dongs | Step 4: Profit! |
| 05:30:07 | EbErT | tag and rename? |
| 05:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, "rename from tags" really |
| 05:30:38 | EbErT | that's a smidge too brief for me to get |
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| 05:30:53 | dongs | i got a better idea, though most of you would probably not agree with it |
| 05:31:03 | dongs | my suggestion is: dont pirate music, please! artists deserve to get paid! |
| 05:31:05 | EbErT | shoot |
| 05:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd have to agree with that. |
| 05:31:58 | scorche | dongs: how do you know that all of the songs werent ripped off of CDs that were purchased by him hmm? |
| 05:31:59 | EbErT | well, a lot of them were from free streaming noncommercial music, so it could happen to nonpirators |
| 05:32:09 | dongs | scorche: if they were, he would have tagged them properly. |
| 05:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Because he admitted to downloading some via napster. |
| 05:32:19 | EbErT | yep heh |
| 05:32:20 | dongs | (or that) |
| 05:32:32 | dongs | isnt napster legal now? |
| 05:32:38 | scorche | it is |
| 05:32:43 | EbErT | you have to pay now |
| 05:32:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Yes, but this was the old napster. With the non-DRMed music |
| 05:32:53 | EbErT | i used the really old napster |
| 05:32:53 | dongs | oh, new one is drm'd? |
| 05:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 05:32:59 | dongs | nice |
| 05:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the whole PlaysForSure windows crap. |
| 05:33:08 | EbErT | .. |
| 05:33:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not a fan of music rental services. |
| 05:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd much rather just buy a CD, or buy it from a legal site that lets me actually own my copy of the music. |
| 05:34:46 | EbErT | so the only thing tagcache could get stuck on file-wise is messed up tags, not anything else |
| 05:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, there are other things. |
| 05:35:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have over 9950 files (or 10,000, not really sure) that can cause problems |
| 05:35:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Large album art, while valid, has caused problems in the past, and may still. |
| 05:35:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, valid MP4/M4A/AAC files may cause problems because our support for them is sketchy. |
| 05:36:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And of course, bugs and unforseen circumstances. |
| 05:36:41 | EbErT | don't have over 10thou (although some are really long), no album art |
| 05:36:53 | EbErT | aac might be the cause too |
| 05:37:39 | EbErT | bah, i'm jealous of those people who can get 8000 songs successfully cached :/ |
| 05:38:00 | dongs | lol @ anyone who has 8000 songs and knows what they are |
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| 05:38:21 | dongs | i think last time i actually played music on my nano instead of playing bubbles was weeks ago |
| 05:38:21 | scorche | i do |
| 05:38:23 | EbErT | heh, someone said that they had no problem with that many the other day |
| 05:38:29 | EbErT | probably u scorche heh |
| 05:38:34 | scorche | it wasnt me |
| 05:38:43 | EbErT | durn |
| 05:38:44 | scorche | but i think i am up to around 11000 |
| 05:39:07 | EbErT | is all of it gotten from legal ways? |
| 05:39:19 | scorche | ummmmm.....yes....om.....SURE! |
| 05:39:25 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 05:39:41 | EbErT | cd's really don't have enough songs on them for people nowadays |
| 05:39:44 | dongs | see what I mean? opensource promotes piracy |
| 05:39:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | How the hell do you make that connection? |
| 05:39:58 | EbErT | but then again, which artists can make even that many quality songs |
| 05:40:01 | scorche | wtf dongs? |
| 05:40:32 | dongs | well you see rockbox is opensource - user pirates songs - listens to them on rockbox mp3 player - opensource promotes piracy |
| 05:40:49 | EbErT | artists are going to have to look into doing more shows for profit instead of from cd sales |
| 05:41:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Because of course they weren't listening to them on closed-source firmware FIRST. |
| 05:41:04 | EbErT | maybe take the outrageous prices down |
| 05:41:05 | scorche | uh....i can listen to that many on retail os as well... |
| 05:41:30 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: of course not :P |
| 05:42:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs again. |
| 05:42:28 | EbErT | don't be sad paul, get glad |
| 05:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unrelated, anyone in here know why the Bass and Treble settings defaulted to 6 each instead of 0 each on my Archos? |
| 05:46:09 | EbErT | anyone know why the clock on my ipod keeps resetting to 24hr time? |
| 05:46:39 | scorche | EbErT: are you saving your settings to a config file? |
| 05:46:49 | EbErT | yep |
| 05:46:58 | EbErT | everything else stays the same |
| 05:47:58 | dongs | level 100 of bubbles is hard :( |
| 05:48:03 | dongs | though 99 took me like 20 tries |
| 05:48:10 | scorche | why do people keep saying that/ |
| 05:48:11 | dongs | is there anything after 100? |
| 05:48:14 | scorche | no |
| 05:48:23 | scorche | it took me days on 99 |
| 05:48:28 | scorche | 100 i got first try |
| 05:48:28 | dongs | k i guess im almost there then |
| 05:48:31 | dongs | rly |
| 05:48:32 | dongs | well |
| 05:48:33 | scorche | ....both times i tried it |
| 05:48:39 | dongs | maybe i'll attack it tomorrow morning |
| 05:48:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | EbErT: Any consistency to when it happens? Like, say, after you plug into the Mac, or after booting into Apple firmware, or something? |
| 05:48:54 | scorche | and i beat it on archos too =D |
| 05:49:37 | EbErT | not that i know of Paul_The_Nerd , i'll look into it more |
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| 06:04:24 | EbErT | i think i'm losing battery life on the ipod when its plugged in |
| 06:04:35 | EbErT | blasphemy |
| 06:06:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | In Rockbox that happens... |
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| 06:07:52 | earHertz | anyone here? |
| 06:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Often |
| 06:10:21 | EbErT | sometimes |
| 06:14:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there a question outstanding, or was it a general query as to the presence of people? |
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| 06:14:19 | earHertz | um, I posted it to the mailing list |
| 06:14:40 | earHertz | The patch tracker seems to give (or Firefox assumes) the mime type of the link to a patch (e.g., http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11546) is application/octet-stream. This means that Firefox insists that the file be downloaded or a handler program be specified, and worse, refuses to allow a particular handler to set as the default handler for the type. |
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| 06:15:37 | finik | I have a question then :) is there a way to disable auto backlight off when ipod is connected to car charger or should I look in the code to patch it myself? |
| 06:16:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | finik: *Right* next to the backlight time setting is one for when it's connected to power. |
| 06:16:22 | finik | cool, thanks :) |
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| 06:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Oddly enough not all patches do that even, if I recall. |
| 06:18:06 | earHertz | yeah, I think I encoutered that myself. I put it off to my browsing from my vm. |
| 06:18:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may be dependent on the uploader, but I could be wrong. |
| 06:18:36 | earHertz | I really wish more patches included descriptins of exactly how they work |
| 06:19:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be nice. |
| 06:20:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wish people wouldn't say things like "I just installed the latest build, rockbox-<date from 5 days ago>.zip, and <bug fixed yesterday> keeps happening to me." in posts dated so that the 5 days ago is relative to the post. |
| 06:21:17 | earHertz | that's inevitable, i think |
| 06:21:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I always find myself wondering if somehow the get a horribly old cached version of the daily build page, or if they're downloading from somewhere unofficial. |
| 06:21:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, the statement "latest" seems contradictory with a file dated 5 days before they posted. |
| 06:22:19 | earHertz | yeah, but they assume the bug hasn't been fixed rather than go tot teh troubkle of dling and installing teh very latest |
| 06:22:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then why even try to claim it's the latest. |
| 06:22:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno. User woes. |
| 06:23:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | "I was installing, and got some error message, but kept on going anyway, and now it doesn't work." "So, what was the error message?" "I don't know, does it matter?" |
| 06:24:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | People are so lucky the iPods are very hard to permanently disable. |
| 06:24:58 | earHertz | ubness you plug em into the wall charger when running rockbox |
| 06:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
| 06:26:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Turns out that was a faulty adapter. |
| 06:26:24 | earHertz | really? |
| 06:26:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yep |
| 06:26:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only thing that the continual reboot should be able to damage, realistically, is the HD since it's constantly spinning up and down. |
| 06:27:19 | earHertz | why's there a continual reboot, anywat? |
| 06:27:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I figured, maybe because it's shutting off and on constantly something more could've happened. |
| 06:27:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox detects a USB insertion by whether there's USB power being delivered |
| 06:27:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, plugging into the wall triggers Rockbox to reboot into disk mode. |
| 06:28:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, Disk Mode actually has a full USB driver, doesn't detect an actual USB connection, and when that happens it automatically reboots. |
| 06:28:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which then goes back to Rockbox. |
| 06:28:27 | sharpe | Hey Everyone. |
| 06:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, if you manually boot into Emergency Disk Mode, Retail firmware, or hold Menu in Rockbox, and plug in while at any of those three states you're fine |
| 06:29:06 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: cool' |
| 06:29:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though in Retail Firmware, if it enters deep sleep, then you enter the loop. But only if you've left it plugged into the wall long enough for it to enter deep sleep. |
| 06:29:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | He modified his Retail Firmware to enter deep sleep after 15 minutes. |
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| 06:29:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually it's over a day. |
| 06:29:50 | earHertz | he modified the RETAIL Firmware?? |
| 06:29:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a string you can set somewhere |
| 06:30:08 | earHertz | even so |
| 06:30:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the tool iPodWizard lets you theme it and such, I believe. |
| 06:30:22 | earHertz | that's foolhardy |
| 06:30:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 06:30:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, while it *is* a valid problem with Rockbox (the continual reboot one) it's a much lower risk than he presented it. |
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| 06:34:46 | sharpe | maybe i should watch a movie. |
| 06:35:12 | earHertz | downloas some porn |
| 06:35:58 | sharpe | ... right. anyway... |
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| 07:52:40 | mAl3X | hey all, i was just curious to hear what "the word" is on sandisk's player? |
| 07:53:23 | mAl3X | there was a flurry of news a little while back, and i guess i'm just curious to see if there's any actual hope, or if it was just a publicity stunt by sandisk? |
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| 07:58:57 | Myst` | I think they're sending players to someone from rockbox, not sure if they've arrived |
| 07:59:06 | mAl3X | ah, very cool |
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| 08:00:03 | mAl3X | and they've given you guys enough specs to get started? |
| 08:00:49 | mAl3X | i've been keeping my eye on rockbox for a while now... it looks really cool |
| 08:01:11 | Myst` | I've got no idea, i'm idling in here for the same reason :) (news on sandisk/rockbox) |
| 08:01:20 | mAl3X | lol |
| 08:01:22 | mAl3X | i'm just kinda hoping that it will have enough features to replace my rio karma before my karma finally bites the big one :-P |
| 08:01:30 | mAl3X | "it" being rockbox |
| 08:02:33 | mAl3X | my biggest beef with your random DAP is the whole "terrible or non-existent ID3 database support" |
| 08:02:51 | mAl3X | and if it has a good database, it has a terrible codec range |
| 08:03:04 | mAl3X | *cough*ipod*cough* |
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| 08:24:27 | ravon | um. My X5 won't turn on. It worked yesterday when I left work :/ |
| 08:24:36 | JdGordon | weee... 2 down, 3 exams to go |
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| 08:43:17 | Hames | i need help with my rockbox loader |
| 08:43:25 | Hames | when i try ipodpatcher 0 it says "drive is not an ipod" |
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| 08:46:50 | Hames | anyone? |
| 08:48:58 | B4gder | aren't you supposed to try other numbers too? |
| 08:49:05 | B4gder | are you following the instructions? |
| 08:49:42 | Hames | yea |
| 08:49:47 | Hames | i put the 3 required files in one folder |
| 08:51:11 | LinusN | did you try "ipodpatcher 1", "ipodpatcher 2" etc? |
| 08:51:55 | Hames | well i figured to try to get ipodpatcher 0 working first. after i did that one it gave me the message about the drive not being an ipod so i decided not to do the other ones. |
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| 08:52:35 | LinusN | Hames: that's not how it works |
| 08:53:28 | LinusN | that number is the index number of the physical disk, assigned by windows |
| 08:53:40 | Hames | so am i doing it properly? |
| 08:53:57 | nesukun | hmm does anyone know the full svn url to paste in my svn client? |
| 08:53:58 | LinusN | the reason you try different numbers is because you don't know which number is assigned to your ipod |
| 08:54:08 | Hames | ohh |
| 08:54:22 | LinusN | so you try different ones until it finds the ipod |
| 08:54:32 | B4gder | nesukun: svn url to what? |
| 08:54:37 | Hames | question. i can have ipod linux and rockbox loaded at the same time and be able to choose from my loader right? |
| 08:54:44 | sharpe | Hames: yes. |
| 08:54:49 | Hames | th |
| 08:54:50 | Hames | thx |
| 08:55:06 | nesukun | rockbox's svn |
| 08:55:13 | B4gder | rockbox uses cvs |
| 08:55:22 | Hames | now i get "error reading disk. the device is not ready" when i tried ipodpatcher 2 |
| 08:55:39 | nesukun | -.- stupid nesukun |
| 08:55:55 | sharpe | Hames: keep trying other numbers... |
| 08:56:07 | nesukun | now I know why it didn't work |
| 08:56:07 | nesukun | xD |
| 08:56:16 | B4gder | haha |
| 08:56:28 | Hames | ok, i got it i think. |
| 08:56:50 | Hames | it goes like this: "0 Empty, 1: Fat32, 2: Linux" |
| 08:56:54 | Hames | did I do it right? |
| 08:57:30 | sharpe | wait, you already have ipodlinux installed? |
| 08:57:41 | Hames | yea |
| 08:57:48 | sharpe | do you use loader2? |
| 08:57:50 | Hames | yea |
| 08:57:58 | * | nesukun searching for a cvs client 4 mac |
| 08:58:02 | sharpe | then you don't need to install the rockbox bootloader. |
| 08:58:09 | Hames | oh |
| 08:58:11 | Hames | so what can i do? |
| 08:58:17 | sharpe | give me a moment, |
| 08:58:19 | Hames | ok |
| 08:59:28 | sharpe | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2#Menu_Entries |
| 08:59:29 | sharpe | http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2#Loading_the_Rockbox_firmware |
| 08:59:52 | Hames | thx |
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| 09:00:01 | sharpe | tis what i'm here fore. |
| 09:00:06 | sharpe | without the extra e |
| 09:00:50 | Hames | so how would i go about doing this. i dont know how to name the firmware. |
| 09:00:54 | * | scorche ducks |
| 09:01:36 | sharpe | it would be just renaming the "rockbox.ipod" file |
| 09:02:32 | Hames | excuse my dumbassness, but is that the build? |
| 09:02:51 | sharpe | yes, it's in the rockbox.zip file you've probably already downloaded. |
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| 09:03:46 | Hames | i dont get the renaming part. its already called rockbox.ipod |
| 09:05:14 | Hames | alright so i did the whole going into cmd and locatind rockbox.ipod. i dont see how that loads it. |
| 09:06:20 | sharpe | you know. just try extracting the zip to the FAT formatted partition on your ipod, and then making sure the Loader2 settings have an entry for the rockbox.ipod file. |
| 09:06:42 | Hames | ok |
| 09:07:02 | sharpe | see if that works. i've no idea, i don't use ipodlinux/Loader2. |
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| 09:08:49 | Hames | hey, this is totally seperate and has nothing to do with rockbox. but do you have anapod? |
| 09:09:19 | sharpe | nope. |
| 09:09:48 | Hames | because i'm having an especially hard time loading pictures onto my ipod without deleting the ones previously loaded (sync) |
| 09:12:05 | Hames | anyone here have anapod? |
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| 09:12:52 | nesukun | I'm under Mac OS so... xD |
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| 09:19:12 | ravon | friggin X5. Might as well get a new player that's "Rockbox certified" instead. |
| 09:19:23 | LinusN | what's wrong? |
| 09:19:43 | sharpe | sounds like troubles! |
| 09:19:44 | ravon | Unplugged it and left work yesterday. Now it's dead as a dog. |
| 09:19:54 | sharpe | dogs aren't dead... |
| 09:19:59 | ravon | Dead ones are :( |
| 09:20:00 | LinusN | dead dogs are |
| 09:20:02 | ravon | lol |
| 09:20:18 | B4gder | 0xdead dogs? |
| 09:20:22 | Hames | is it true if you let an ipod's battery die out the ipod stops working? |
| 09:20:28 | ravon | It won't charge or get recognized by the computer, and it seems like this is a fairly common issue with the X5s. |
| 09:20:28 | B4gder | that's many |
| 09:20:33 | sharpe | yeah, but in that case it could also be dead as a dead tree, a dead person, a dead fly, a dead bird... |
| 09:20:33 | LinusN | ravon: so it doesn't react when you insert the charger? |
| 09:20:37 | sharpe | Hames: no. |
| 09:20:48 | LinusN | ravon: have you tried to reset it? |
| 09:20:53 | ravon | LinusN: nope. Though it's a 3V charger. I'll hook it up to a power cube instead. |
| 09:20:58 | ravon | LinusN: yea, the 30s trick? |
| 09:21:02 | LinusN | 3v???? |
| 09:21:27 | LinusN | a 3v charger won't cut it |
| 09:21:35 | LinusN | you need 5v |
| 09:21:51 | Hames | what's the best case i can get for my 5G ipod? |
| 09:22:00 | sharpe | Hames: a cheap one. :) |
| 09:22:07 | Hames | bah |
| 09:22:20 | ravon | Actually, it's enough to indicate a charge on the LED. Don't know if it actually charges though. |
| 09:22:25 | ravon | But I'll fix a 5v one |
| 09:22:33 | LinusN | ravon: also, there is a reset button |
| 09:24:17 | ravon | The one that requires a paper clip? |
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| 09:36:21 | petur | interesting story this is: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4778.msg36421#msg36421 |
| 09:37:51 | sharpe | gee. i should advertise things in my signature on the forums. |
| 09:38:45 | sharpe | everyone does it :D |
| 09:38:57 | sharpe | actually, not really. |
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| 09:39:59 | LinusN | ravon: yes, that one |
| 09:40:12 | scorche | you have the magical "rockbox expert" tag >_> |
| 09:41:03 | scorche | i want one O_O |
| 09:41:15 | sharpe | scorche: ;) |
| 09:42:18 | * | scorche quietly sobs in the corner |
| 09:43:20 | stripwax | Can anyone remember off the top of their heads how fast pacbox can run on H1x0 without the framelimiter? |
| 09:43:40 | stripwax | It's currently limited to 20fps afaict but seems to be able to run nearer 60fps |
| 09:43:40 | sharpe | why would your ipod booting up when it has power be a feature of rockbox? :\ |
| 09:45:10 | B4gder | aha, no wonder iaudiophile.net went quiet |
| 09:45:19 | B4gder | ... they started a new subforum for rockbox ;-) |
| 09:47:40 | sharpe | B4gder: yay? |
| 09:48:20 | B4gder | it sure is fun to see rockbox users everywhere |
| 09:49:43 | sharpe | heh... |
| 09:50:08 | chendo | rockbox ftw. |
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| 09:50:25 | chendo | waiting eagerly for the patch to switch the USB thing off on rockbox |
| 09:50:41 | sharpe | the usb thing? |
| 09:51:19 | LinusN | i think he means the usb2go chip on the h300 |
| 09:51:28 | sharpe | oh. right. |
| 09:51:29 | Presence | I totally posted a "Congrats" reply to some random LiveJournal user today. Later, that entry had like "Who was that guy?" replies to my reply. :) |
| 09:51:51 | sharpe | LinusN: the one that seems to be sucking all that battery life? |
| 09:51:57 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:52:00 | sharpe | fun. |
| 09:52:06 | sharpe | i don't have an h300... |
| 09:52:07 | * | LinusN is drawing h300 schematics |
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| 09:52:48 | sharpe | hey Linus, did i ever speak anything to you about the user-customizable bootloader i had the idea for? |
| 09:52:49 | stripwax | sharpe - oh, that's where the juice is going? cool, glad its been identified |
| 09:53:21 | chendo | yeah, that 2go chip |
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| 09:53:30 | chendo | it's kinda useless since it's not 2.0 |
| 09:53:42 | sharpe | because i can't remember if you were one of the people present when i had talked about it. |
| 09:53:51 | scorche | i dont believe he was |
| 09:54:01 | sharpe | ah. |
| 09:54:03 | sharpe | oh well. |
| 09:54:03 | LinusN | chendo: it's 2.0, otherwise it wouldn't be usb2go |
| 09:54:15 | chendo | eh |
| 09:54:15 | | Part stripwax |
| 09:54:19 | chendo | the OTG chip is 2.0? |
| 09:54:20 | LinusN | however, it's not high speed |
| 09:54:26 | scorche | sharpe: it was mostly just the slacker and i |
| 09:54:28 | chendo | eh. |
| 09:54:29 | chendo | i'm confused now. |
| 09:54:32 | LinusN | otg is part of the 2.0 standard |
| 09:54:42 | chendo | oh. |
| 09:54:45 | sharpe | scorche: ah. oh well. i finished it, if you haven't heard me. |
| 09:54:51 | chendo | well it's useless cause it's full speed then ;x |
| 09:54:57 | LinusN | there you go |
| 09:54:59 | scorche | i did ;) |
| 09:54:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:55:02 | chendo | and |
| 09:55:06 | sharpe | yay. |
| 09:55:09 | chendo | it sucks cause i lost my USB host cable anyway |
| 09:55:17 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:55:23 | chendo | like, it could be interesting if i could plug a keyboard into my iriver or something. |
| 09:55:30 | sharpe | i've been having weird happenings in my mind lately, so i do not remember who i've told... |
| 09:56:12 | sharpe | probably because of my screwed up sleep schedule... |
| 09:57:22 | petur | LinusN: what's your opinion on removing the yields() in i2c-coldfire.c, the problem is that it causes the calls to take twice as long which causes longer glitches when changing recording gain on the fly |
| 09:58:26 | * | linuxstb just received an email from the manufacturer of the "Chinese MP3 player" (HI-X8) containing circuit diagrams. |
| 09:58:34 | LinusN | well, i have no real problems with that |
| 09:58:44 | LinusN | linuxstb: me too |
| 09:58:50 | petur | w00t |
| 09:58:55 | chendo | 'chinese mp3 player' |
| 09:59:01 | scorche | chinese? |
| 09:59:06 | B4gder | chinese! |
| 09:59:13 | chendo | why not taiwanese! |
| 09:59:14 | sharpe | i don't like chinese food... |
| 09:59:27 | sharpe | chendo: because it's only assembeled there :D |
| 09:59:31 | B4gder | chendo: you want us to ask them to move? |
| 09:59:37 | LinusN | unfortunately, we still lach datasheets for the cpu and otg chips... |
| 09:59:37 | chendo | yes please ;o |
| 09:59:40 | LinusN | lack |
| 09:59:53 | petur | this one -> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978.0 |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:02 | linuxstb | LinusN: Odd, he must have sent separate emails - who else got them? |
| 10:00:16 | scorche | i should get myself out of my hole and do some work on that X8... |
| 10:00:20 | LinusN | linuxstb: you, daniel and i |
| 10:00:44 | sharpe | why not sharpe...? |
| 10:01:45 | * | B4gder digs up stuff from his spam folder... |
| 10:02:34 | * | sharpe knows why not sharpe... :( |
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| 10:02:40 | sharpe | that sounds really... weird. |
| 10:03:19 | scorche | sharpe: at least you have a "rockbox expert" mark =P |
| 10:03:43 | B4gder | sharpe: talk to Eric about it |
| 10:03:52 | sharpe | scorche: :D |
| 10:03:55 | sharpe | who's eric? |
| 10:03:59 | sharpe | oh. |
| 10:04:00 | sharpe | right. |
| 10:04:12 | sharpe | the dude with the diagrams and such. |
| 10:07:48 | chendo | okay, this is weird. |
| 10:07:57 | chendo | my laptop changed MAC addresses. |
| 10:08:14 | * | B4gder pokes the rar package with a stick |
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| 10:09:45 | linuxstb | Just noticed the tlv320 codec in the circuit diagrams - isn't that the same as the iaudio X5? |
| 10:10:01 | B4gder | sounds familiar |
| 10:11:19 | linuxstb | That's good news - the only thing I was concerned about was the audio quality. But hopefully it should sound similar to the X5... |
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| 10:11:40 | preglow | circuit diagrams in the mail? |
| 10:11:46 | sharpe | ! i can save 44% on symantec products... |
| 10:11:55 | * | B4gder got a package |
| 10:12:04 | linuxstb | A real package? |
| 10:12:10 | B4gder | ups |
| 10:12:14 | Stepn | does tag cache support files with multiple genre tags? |
| 10:12:15 | sharpe | the one he's waited for, for days. |
| 10:12:30 | B4gder | now let's see... |
| 10:12:52 | * | petur hears drum rolls |
| 10:12:53 | linuxstb | Stepn: I don't think so. |
| 10:12:56 | sharpe | would be funny if it wasn't actually his... |
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| 10:14:05 | linuxstb | LinusN: Have you asked Eric about datasheets? |
| 10:14:14 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:14:39 | LinusN | there are problems, since telechips and ali are nda-lovers |
| 10:15:02 | B4gder | as suspected, there's no docs in this package |
| 10:15:34 | preglow | no surprise |
| 10:15:42 | linuxstb | How many players? (any players?) |
| 10:15:43 | preglow | then perhaps they will mail them instead! |
| 10:15:47 | B4gder | two players |
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| 10:15:53 | B4gder | and e250 and e260 |
| 10:16:07 | B4gder | 2gb and 4gb |
| 10:18:25 | linuxstb | I'm definitely still interested in the HI-X8 though. I want a huge capacity player for Rockbox... |
| 10:18:42 | scorche | same....besides archos |
| 10:18:44 | B4gder | yeah |
| 10:20:15 | sharpe | should i agree? |
| 10:20:21 | scorche | yes |
| 10:21:02 | sharpe | anyone? |
| 10:21:06 | sharpe | anyone at all? |
| 10:21:37 | scorche | beuller? |
| 10:22:32 | sharpe | no one? |
| 10:22:38 | markun | B4gder: did you get the FM versions? |
| 10:22:55 | B4gder | yes |
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| 10:38:29 | Presence | something kinda dumb I'm noticing about the 64 meg ipod patch: it takes FOR EVER for the codec buffer to fill from disc now. |
| 10:38:30 | Presence | heh |
| 10:39:04 | Presence | like, almost twice as long. imagine! |
| 10:39:19 | linuxstb | There's a shock... :) |
| 10:40:08 | Stepn | genre |
| 10:40:16 | sharpe | hmm... why could that be... |
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| 10:44:21 | B4gder | charges over usb only |
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| 10:44:59 | chendo | in other news, i have set banana phone as my ringtone |
| 10:46:08 | sharpe | and in even more other news, i should've gone to sleep around six hours ago. |
| 10:47:35 | sharpe | ... |
| 10:47:53 | sharpe | and i wrong, in thinking that ipods will boot when they have external power? |
| 10:47:57 | sharpe | am. not and. |
| 10:51:16 | sharpe | anyone? |
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| 10:52:52 | ashridah | sharpe: the H3xx used to go into a power saving mode that resembled death when really low on charge |
| 10:53:26 | sharpe | heh. |
| 10:53:27 | sharpe | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4818.0 |
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| 10:55:50 | reddshack | my H340 did that very thing. It got low on power and wouldn't turn back on. I eventually had to take it apart and disconnect the battery. |
| 10:57:35 | sharpe | i'm just not quite understanding him in his posts, by what he's talking about... |
| 10:58:22 | B4gder | the player is surprisingly heavy |
| 10:59:02 | sharpe | like, brick-heavy? |
| 10:59:20 | B4gder | like its only flash in there, where does the weight come from |
| 10:59:41 | markun | Ehh.. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978.msg36436#msg36436 |
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| 11:00:03 | aliask | I wouldn't be supprised if they weighted it down a bit to make is seem less flimsy. |
| 11:01:05 | sharpe | markun: that sounds... urgent... |
| 11:02:11 | markun | Don't know if rockbox is really what they want as the official firmware. Most buyers are more interested in slick menus then ogg vorbis for example |
| 11:02:44 | linuxstb | And DRM... |
| 11:02:53 | sharpe | and graphics |
| 11:03:04 | markun | and wma |
| 11:03:07 | risotto | What is the safest method to charge my ipod (4G)? Should I boot into Apple's OS and charge via that firewire thing you plug into wall socket? |
| 11:03:11 | linuxstb | And video... |
| 11:03:21 | markun | We could go on all day :) |
| 11:03:39 | sharpe | risotto: sure. |
| 11:03:57 | aliask | Well, who are we to argue? If they want to add another player to rockbox's list, and are willing to pay money for it to happen, why wouldn't we at least give it a shot? |
| 11:04:01 | B4gder | did I mention I dislike windows? |
| 11:04:03 | B4gder | ;-/ |
| 11:04:08 | linuxstb | What's that? |
| 11:04:11 | B4gder | the darned thing doesn't show up |
| 11:04:16 | risotto | ok |
| 11:04:17 | B4gder | when I insert the usb cable |
| 11:04:26 | linuxstb | Is it supposed to be UMS? |
| 11:04:29 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:04:30 | sharpe | B4gder: maybe it's... not formatted? |
| 11:04:35 | linuxstb | Tried it in Linux? |
| 11:04:55 | petur | got a 'new hardware' messagebox? |
| 11:05:07 | B4gder | I only have my arm9 dev card here... but sure it has a usb port... hm, lemme see :-) |
| 11:05:29 | risotto | Is it possible to charge in Rockbox safely? |
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| 11:05:37 | linuxstb | risotto: Lots of people do. |
| 11:06:25 | risotto | ok |
| 11:07:02 | risotto | I just don't want to break my ipod =) |
| 11:08:11 | linuxstb | If you're referring to the forum thread(s) about it - the original poster has stated his ipod was broken because of a faulty charger, and doesn't blame it on Rockbox. |
| 11:08:12 | sharpe | :) |
| 11:09:33 | linuxstb | But of course, nothing about Rockbox is guaranteed. So if you're nervous, just use the Apple firmware. But afaik, no-one has reported any problems charging in Rockbox. |
| 11:10:01 | risotto | ok, I saw only that over heating thread and those rebooting threads |
| 11:10:30 | sharpe | blargle, i need to see if the customizable bootloader works on nanos, 4Gs, etc... |
| 11:10:52 | sharpe | mini's... |
| 11:10:58 | linuxstb | Rebooting won't happen with firewire. It's just a USB problem, and is avoided by holding MENU when you insert the USB cable. |
| 11:11:06 | risotto | ok |
| 11:11:22 | risotto | I'll use Apple OS to charge my ipod |
| 11:11:26 | linuxstb | :) |
| 11:11:43 | sharpe | there's no reason why it shouldn't work, however the text position may be off... |
| 11:11:47 | sharpe | hm... |
| 11:12:28 | sharpe | not like there's any interest in it at all though. |
| 11:13:21 | * | amiconn has a working basic isp1362 driver |
| 11:13:46 | amiconn | Didn't write the send-to-sleep sequence yet |
| 11:13:52 | sharpe | heheh |
| 11:14:08 | markun | amiconn: nice work anyway |
| 11:15:25 | * | petur is interested :) |
| 11:15:28 | sharpe | i should find a player that's able to upgrade it's firmware and start working on porting rockbox. |
| 11:16:08 | petur | amiconn: there's some code for that in the patch I've put in the wiki |
| 11:16:44 | petur | or did you start from that code? |
| 11:17:07 | amiconn | petur: Nope. I started from scratch, and mainly used the various datasheets as information source |
| 11:17:56 | LinusN | amiconn: would be nice to see a patch, so i can measure the consumption |
| 11:19:13 | amiconn | LinusN: [11:13:46] <amiconn> Didn't write the send-to-sleep sequence yet <== |
| 11:19:29 | petur | well hurry up then :) |
| 11:19:33 | amiconn | Also, I can easily verify with my ir thermometer |
| 11:19:34 | LinusN | yes i know, but i'd like to see the consumption without the sleep |
| 11:19:40 | sharpe | i'm going to sleep. bye everyone. |
| 11:19:49 | LinusN | nite sharpe |
| 11:20:00 | amiconn | LinusN: What do you expect to see? There shouldn't be a change |
| 11:20:36 | amiconn | Btw,. any news regarding the gpio pins I asked about yesterday? |
| 11:20:39 | petur | well if you configure ports incorrectly you can have bigger currents leaking |
| 11:20:44 | LinusN | well, if the consumption came from badly configured port pins, there should be a change |
| 11:20:51 | petur | :) |
| 11:21:36 | amiconn | LinusN: Also, did you find the time to check my modified ata timings? |
| 11:21:43 | LinusN | amiconn: did you check my updates to PortPinAssignments? |
| 11:21:53 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:21:55 | LinusN | amiconn: no, i haven't measured the ata timings |
| 11:22:26 | dpro | re |
| 11:22:27 | amiconn | I use the faster timings all the time. Didn't notice any problem so far |
| 11:23:45 | LinusN | then commit it |
| 11:25:44 | * | amiconn somehow missed part of the PortPinAssigments updates |
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| 11:28:41 | LinusN | i have yet to trace the GPO38 and GPO39 pins |
| 11:30:02 | amiconn | What about where gpio53 actually goes to, and pcf50606 gpood3 ? |
| 11:30:03 | * | petur buys Linus a train ticket |
| 11:30:33 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm working on it, those two are tricky to trace, since there are a lot of passive components involved |
| 11:30:57 | amiconn | hmm, ok... |
| 11:31:13 | amiconn | Would surely be easier with schematics available... |
| 11:31:24 | amiconn | ...from the manufacturer I mean |
| 11:31:29 | LinusN | oh yes |
| 11:31:46 | LinusN | i'll soon upload my first schematic drafts |
| 11:31:52 | LinusN | lunch time |
| 11:32:16 | amiconn | We should put the debug interface to sleep as recommended in the coldfire datasheet |
| 11:32:29 | amiconn | I think thins would best be done in crt0 ? |
| 11:32:37 | amiconn | s/thins/this/ |
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| 11:46:31 | chendo | amiconn, you use dvorak? |
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| 11:47:37 | shadou | YAY RB 3.0! |
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| 11:48:36 | preglow | yay? |
| 11:48:51 | JdGordon | woo! |
| 11:50:16 | amiconn | chendo: What? |
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| 11:56:30 | JdGordon | zzzz..... |
| 11:56:32 | chendo | amiconn, mm nevermind... thought you might use the dvorak layout or something if you typo a n near an s. |
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| 11:58:37 | amiconn | chendo: AH. No I have a german keyboard |
| 11:58:50 | amiconn | n is nowhere near s |
| 11:58:53 | chendo | ;o |
| 11:58:56 | chendo | mmkay |
| 11:58:58 | chendo | don't mind me ;p |
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| 12:04:16 | RoC_MM | haha |
| 12:04:19 | RoC_MM | or not |
| 12:04:36 | RoC_MM | the previous topic was set like a month and a half ago |
| 12:05:09 | RoC_MM | work=slow. |
| 12:05:12 | RoC_MM | good luck |
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| 12:54:34 | B4gder | ah |
| 12:54:43 | preglow | oh |
| 12:54:44 | B4gder | you have to select MSC mode in the settings menu |
| 12:54:51 | B4gder | for USB |
| 12:54:56 | shadou | shh |
| 12:54:56 | B4gder | it seems to default to MTP |
| 12:54:59 | shadou | back to coding rockbox 3.0 pls |
| 12:55:03 | LinusN | haha, i just /msg'd you about it :-) |
| 12:55:14 | * | B4gder did the secret handover at lunch |
| 12:55:15 | shadou | i want new features, SMP on ipod nano |
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| 12:55:23 | LinusN | the sansa is quite neat |
| 12:55:23 | preglow | shadou: then code it |
| 12:55:38 | shadou | I knew someone would say that |
| 12:55:39 | preglow | shadou: and why do you want that? |
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| 12:55:42 | JdGordon | the sansa port is happening is it? |
| 12:55:50 | LinusN | JdGordon: don't count on it |
| 12:55:57 | B4gder | JdGordon: we have two players, not a port |
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| 12:56:07 | JdGordon | well thhats a start.. |
| 12:56:20 | preglow | i'd prefer specs and code to hardware |
| 12:56:44 | LinusN | ...says the ipod hacker :-) |
| 12:56:58 | preglow | haha, i didn't get this way by myself, you know |
| 12:57:15 | preglow | nigths of gnashing teeth and tearing hair out does give you a certain urge for specs |
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| 12:59:36 | amiconn | preglow: Whenever I try starting a track in the sim, I get a SIGFPE in the peakmeter code... |
| 12:59:49 | preglow | the sim could need some improvement now |
| 12:59:55 | preglow | i've been trying to debug the audio error i get |
| 12:59:59 | preglow | but gdb lies to me... |
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| 13:00:17 | JdGordon | do hard disks on the same PATA channel wor at the speed of th slowest drive? i.e a brand new hdd will only work at udma33 if its with an old slow drive? |
| 13:00:41 | TeaSea | Hey guys, i'm trying to get pacman working on my X5. |
| 13:00:46 | TeaSea | Do you need ALL the files listed on the wiki page? |
| 13:00:53 | JdGordon | ye |
| 13:01:00 | TeaSea | mm |
| 13:01:04 | TeaSea | I only have the .6* ones. |
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| 13:03:23 | RoC_MM | JdGordon, not with independent device timing |
| 13:03:31 | TeaSea | [thundercloud] 12:06 [~] ls /media/iaudio/.rockbox/pacman |
| 13:03:31 | TeaSea | pacman.5e pacman.5f pacman.6e* pacman.6f* pacman.6h* pacman.6j* |
| 13:03:35 | RoC_MM | it's a feature most hardware controllers have? |
| 13:03:36 | TeaSea | Is that all the shizzle I need? |
| 13:04:37 | JdGordon | RoC_MM: im on a cheap ecs motherboard not a pci controller.. |
| 13:04:44 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, but you should still avoid running a fast and a slow device on one channel, at least if both devices are potentially accessed simultaneously |
| 13:05:14 | LinusN | amiconn: remove sector3d.bin |
| 13:05:43 | LinusN | btw, it's a div-by-zero |
| 13:06:07 | * | JdGordon bbl |
| 13:06:08 | JdGordon | cyaz |
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| 13:06:30 | amiconn | LinusN: yes I know. Do you think this is caused by the config sector? |
| 13:06:38 | * | amiconn wonders why this happens |
| 13:07:05 | LinusN | i'm not sure why it happens, maybe we have outgrown the 512 bytes? |
| 13:07:25 | amiconn | Not by far... |
| 13:07:59 | LinusN | removing sector3d.bin helped for me, but the error came back |
| 13:15:53 | amiconn | Something is obviously wrong with the peakmeter settings load if the settings sector is present |
| 13:16:10 | amiconn | pm_range and several other variable all all-zero |
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| 13:22:54 | B4gder | very odd upgrade procedure |
| 13:23:06 | B4gder | with a pc program that detects current version |
| 13:23:10 | B4gder | and starts the upgrade |
| 13:23:25 | B4gder | the player said "writing" and then went back to "connected" and the PC program says "done" |
| 13:23:48 | B4gder | while in UMS mode |
| 13:24:55 | B4gder | aha |
| 13:25:02 | B4gder | it simply puts in somewhere |
| 13:25:18 | B4gder | because when I pulled the USB cable the unit itself says "upgrading" too |
| 13:26:35 | petur | So the player saw that something was written while connected to the pc -> no bridge chip? |
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| 13:27:27 | B4gder | LinusN: it doesn't shut off the LCD |
| 13:27:39 | B4gder | its the way it looks without backlight |
| 13:28:03 | * | B4gder listens to music on the sansa e260 |
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| 13:28:37 | * | amiconn would rather like a flash player with >=4GB and a monochrome display |
| 13:29:04 | B4gder | well, these are available in 6GB and a micro-SD slot |
| 13:29:07 | B4gder | but color |
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| 13:30:19 | B4gder | how big micro-SD cards exist, anyone know? |
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| 13:31:36 | petur | 1GB? |
| 13:31:54 | B4gder | yes i think so |
| 13:32:01 | B4gder | marked "coming soon" on the site I just found |
| 13:32:57 | B4gder | btw, the sansa has a cool UI feature |
| 13:33:07 | B4gder | that both me and LinusN like |
| 13:33:25 | B4gder | when you have something playing, a song or radio... |
| 13:33:45 | B4gder | it has a little scroll at the bottom of all non-WPS screen saying "now playing: blablabla" |
| 13:33:51 | LinusN | "the wps scroller" |
| 13:34:00 | crashd | you should incorporate that ;) |
| 13:34:02 | LinusN | really neat |
| 13:34:05 | amiconn | Strange feature, imho |
| 13:34:05 | B4gder | while playing scroller |
| 13:34:45 | * | amiconn can't imagine what this should be good for |
| 13:35:01 | LinusN | to see what's playing when you're in a menu? |
| 13:35:05 | crashd | amiconn: you hate anything that has more than 2 colours or 2x10 displays |
| 13:35:06 | crashd | so |
| 13:35:12 | * | petur is not surprised by amiconn's reaction |
| 13:35:12 | crashd | that doesnt suprise me ;) |
| 13:36:19 | amiconn | LinusN: I can hear what's playing... why would I need to see it all the time? |
| 13:36:33 | crashd | amiconn: why have a WP screen at all? |
| 13:36:59 | amiconn | To see info about the playing song... |
| 13:36:59 | preglow | ahahaha |
| 13:37:06 | preglow | but you already know what's playing |
| 13:37:07 | crashd | there we go. |
| 13:37:18 | amiconn | ...but I certainly don't need this info present all the time |
| 13:37:37 | preglow | i really don't need it at any time |
| 13:37:38 | LinusN | amiconn: very few features are *needed* |
| 13:37:43 | preglow | but it's good to have |
| 13:38:02 | petur | customizable status bar(s) |
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| 13:38:49 | amiconn | I have 2 strong reasons against colour displays and no real reason *for* a colour display on a dap |
| 13:39:17 | crashd | im sure you do, but no one _needs_ to be able to fly to new york from london in 3 hours |
| 13:39:17 | B4gder | oh, fancy album art on the thing |
| 13:39:27 | crashd | or 1080p HD broadcasts |
| 13:39:40 | B4gder | pressing the center button in the WPS switch between modes |
| 13:39:41 | preglow | crashd: this list is going to grow very long, you know |
| 13:39:46 | crashd | preglow: hehe, i know |
| 13:39:48 | B4gder | one of them showing that AA in full screen |
| 13:39:50 | crashd | but they are available |
| 13:40:07 | crashd | and just because you dont like them doesnt mean people dont want them |
| 13:40:09 | crashd | i guess. |
| 13:40:13 | preglow | haha |
| 13:40:16 | preglow | that being the gist of it, yes |
| 13:40:25 | crashd | so let's stop this negativity and just deal with it dude |
| 13:40:41 | B4gder | ... in comparison my non-AA songs look boring in the WPS |
| 13:40:59 | LinusN | aa is nice |
| 13:41:23 | preglow | sure looks good, yes |
| 13:41:34 | preglow | nudelyn: any progress on that nano green theme? :> |
| 13:41:42 | crashd | hmmm, that is such a sweet theme |
| 13:41:46 | crashd | preglow: you looking for a nanon version? |
| 13:41:53 | crashd | nanonanonaonanonan |
| 13:41:58 | preglow | sure am |
| 13:42:34 | amiconn | crashd: Sure these things exist, and there may be uses. Thing is, if I primarily want video, or a picture viewer, then a colour display makes sense. |
| 13:42:52 | amiconn | But for a dap, or a cellphone, a colour display is only a waste of energy |
| 13:43:24 | preglow | colour displays really don't use much more energy |
| 13:43:38 | amiconn | They do... because you need a backlight to read them |
| 13:43:55 | preglow | i pretty much need that on b&w stuff too |
| 13:43:59 | preglow | unless i'm in the sun |
| 13:44:09 | preglow | lcd generally suck like that |
| 13:44:21 | amiconn | For b&w you only need a backlight when it's really dark |
| 13:45:01 | * | B4gder falls off his chair |
| 13:45:02 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:45:04 | amiconn | Then, even without taking the backlight into account, a colour display means moving more data, and hence higher cpu load |
| 13:45:08 | preglow | my nano's not half-bad anyway |
| 13:45:11 | B4gder | I found a song of my own with AA embedded |
| 13:45:25 | preglow | my phone is notorious at being useless with or without light |
| 13:45:42 | * | B4gder scratches head |
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| 13:46:05 | preglow | B4gder: i blame the whisky |
| 13:46:12 | * | amiconn really liked his old cellphone much more. |
| 13:46:19 | amiconn | Unfortunately it broke... |
| 13:48:03 | B4gder | whiskey sure can do the weirdest things ;-) |
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| 13:50:24 | senab | morning people |
| 13:50:54 | senab | just a quick question, how is replaygain calculated in rockbox? |
| 13:50:57 | senab | is it an eq? |
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| 13:55:39 | markun | senab: it's not calculated by rockbox |
| 13:56:23 | markun | You use a program like vorbisgain to do that and it stores some values in tags which can be used by rockbox to adjust the volume. |
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| 13:57:37 | LinusN | i like the sansa a lot |
| 13:57:59 | JdGordon | its nice is it? |
| 13:58:05 | LinusN | very nice |
| 13:58:18 | JdGordon | i got a look at it when i was at jb last week, didnt ask to play with it tho |
| 13:58:30 | JdGordon | $277 or something for the 6gb model |
| 13:58:30 | B4gder | 75 grams |
| 13:58:35 | JdGordon | damn, light! |
| 13:58:40 | B4gder | the nano is 43, isn't it? |
| 13:58:59 | JdGordon | the h300 is like 500, so anything less than that is amazing :D |
| 13:59:15 | LinusN | the ui wheel has a kind of plastic touch, though |
| 13:59:23 | B4gder | the H340 is 203 grams |
| 13:59:55 | LinusN | the sansa doesn't turn off the lcd |
| 13:59:55 | senab | markun: i meant how does rockbox calculate how to adjust it's volume from the replaygain tags? |
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| 14:00:44 | amiconn | B4gder: The nano doesn't have a radio, but the Ondio does - and the Ondio is only 60 grams |
| 14:00:54 | B4gder | yeah |
| 14:01:48 | preglow | senab: are there several ways? |
| 14:01:56 | preglow | senab: you just apply the gain you're told to apply by the tags |
| 14:02:08 | preglow | LinusN: is the unit nice or the os? |
| 14:02:09 | senab | but is it does an eq? |
| 14:02:24 | LinusN | preglow: both, actually |
| 14:02:26 | preglow | senab: it has an eq, but it's completely unrelated to replaygain. what makes you think replaygain needs an eq? |
| 14:02:34 | preglow | LinusN: what's nice about the os, then? |
| 14:02:39 | senab | therefore post processing the waveform, or by simply adjusting the players volume |
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| 14:02:54 | LinusN | preglow: nice looking, snappy gui |
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| 14:03:42 | LinusN | i haven't really tried to do anything advanced, so it might just suck on the advanced usability department |
| 14:04:00 | preglow | senab: the only processing replaygain entails is adjusting overall volume |
| 14:04:36 | senab | preglow: thats wat i thought, but i read on the forums that replygain lessens battery life |
| 14:04:55 | senab | and the only thing i could think of how it does that is if it's used as an EQ |
| 14:05:36 | LinusN | senab: it still uses more cpu than without replaygain |
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| 14:06:14 | senab | linus: how? surely the only processing that needs to be done id when the file is opened? |
| 14:06:21 | senab | *is |
| 14:06:36 | LinusN | no, it applies the volume in the digital domain |
| 14:06:47 | preglow | when it's opened? |
| 14:06:53 | preglow | gain is applied all the time |
| 14:06:59 | senab | i know that |
| 14:07:00 | preglow | so it lessens battery somewhat |
| 14:07:03 | preglow | i refuse to believe by much |
| 14:07:08 | preglow | i'll optimise it some day anyway |
| 14:07:48 | senab | but couldn't rockbox just open up the file, check the rg tag, then lower the volume of the player by the gain |
| 14:08:14 | preglow | we could, but then we might bump into a replaygain tag we might not be able to use |
| 14:08:14 | senab | therefore only using the same processing power as the user lowering the volume |
| 14:08:24 | preglow | if volume needs to be boosted, for instance |
| 14:08:38 | preglow | hardware volume has limits, software volume does not |
| 14:08:46 | preglow | this way we don't need any special cases that need different handling |
| 14:08:52 | senab | true |
| 14:08:54 | LinusN | also, not all players have adjustable line-out volume |
| 14:09:03 | preglow | also a good point |
| 14:09:32 | senab | so how does rockbox adjust volume on most players? |
| 14:09:36 | senab | a mix of soft + hard? |
| 14:10:15 | LinusN | volume is always hard |
| 14:10:57 | markun | senab: when I first implemented replaygain for my own rockbox build I used the hardware volume control |
| 14:11:03 | senab | ok so replaygain is effectivly like an EQ in rockbox |
| 14:11:08 | preglow | no |
| 14:11:11 | preglow | not at all |
| 14:11:22 | preglow | an eq and a simple gain are two different things |
| 14:11:26 | preglow | by far |
| 14:11:36 | preglow | an eq is pretty complex, a gain is the simplest thing in the world |
| 14:11:42 | senab | well these, i mean in the post processed audio sense |
| 14:11:52 | preglow | they're both software based dsp, yes |
| 14:11:58 | preglow | in that sense they are similar |
| 14:12:02 | senab | i could think of the word, dsp |
| 14:12:06 | senab | *couldn't |
| 14:12:29 | preglow | most things in rockbox are software based |
| 14:12:32 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 14:12:33 | B4gder | there |
| 14:12:42 | preglow | with stuff like panning, volume, etc being exceptions |
| 14:12:58 | preglow | replaygain, eq, crossfeed, stereo width are all software dsp based |
| 14:13:16 | markun | senab: old patch: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/replaygain3.patch |
| 14:14:12 | preglow | B4gder: so it also has on-player db construction? |
| 14:14:18 | B4gder | yeps |
| 14:14:46 | senab | markun, thats more of the approach i was thinking of |
| 14:15:10 | preglow | B4gder: what formats does it do, btw? |
| 14:15:12 | B4gder | and db mode is the only way of browsing |
| 14:15:16 | preglow | ://7 |
| 14:15:38 | XavierGr | ooh B4gder: nice!!! |
| 14:15:40 | preglow | but go bother them about those docs!!1123 |
| 14:15:46 | B4gder | I will |
| 14:16:02 | markun | senab: did you check the difference in CPU usage with replaygain on and off? |
| 14:16:16 | JdGordon | usb only charging? must take a while to charge fully? |
| 14:16:29 | senab | yep, it's quite a bit actually |
| 14:16:37 | markun | howmany %? |
| 14:16:41 | preglow | senab: how much? |
| 14:16:49 | senab | roughly about 6% |
| 14:16:51 | B4gder | JdGordon: probably, yes |
| 14:16:57 | preglow | senab: you mean boost ratio? |
| 14:17:15 | senab | i meant battery life |
| 14:17:23 | preglow | sounds pretty unlikely, if you ask me |
| 14:17:32 | senab | thats what it give me |
| 14:17:46 | preglow | 6% for a feature that doesn't do anything but fetch memory and multiply it by a factor |
| 14:17:56 | senab | thats what i thought |
| 14:18:06 | JdGordon | nice page... they cant be all that serious about wanting rb if they dont give you the docs tho? maybe just some relativly cheap advertising on their part? |
| 14:18:27 | senab | but my ipod's battery life seems to vary quite a bit anyway |
| 14:18:33 | preglow | oh, it's an ipod |
| 14:18:34 | preglow | hmm |
| 14:18:38 | preglow | well, anyway |
| 14:18:39 | preglow | like i said |
| 14:18:43 | preglow | i'll optimise it sooner or later |
| 14:18:49 | senab | ok cheers |
| 14:19:16 | preglow | some time after the feature freeze |
| 14:19:36 | senab | are u any closer to releasing 3.0| |
| 14:19:37 | senab | ? |
| 14:19:49 | senab | thats sansa looks nice by the way |
| 14:20:29 | senab | what the screen resolution b4dger? |
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| 14:20:54 | B4gder | 220x 176 |
| 14:20:59 | preglow | B4gder: format support? |
| 14:21:03 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 14:21:19 | B4gder | I'll have to check |
| 14:21:22 | senab | solid state memory? |
| 14:22:07 | B4gder | flash, yes |
| 14:22:55 | XavierGr | Who is spamremover on the wiki? |
| 14:23:12 | senab | apparently it can play MP3 & WMA |
| 14:23:52 | senab | & WAVs |
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| 14:25:08 | B4gder | the user manual doesn't mention WAB |
| 14:25:09 | B4gder | WAV |
| 14:25:17 | B4gder | "The Sansa MP3 Player will support MP3, WMA, secure WMA." |
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| 14:26:16 | preglow | generous format choice |
| 14:26:26 | markun | XavierGr: aren't we all? |
| 14:26:52 | XavierGr | markun: SpamRemovers? |
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| 14:31:06 | Jungti1234 | WOW!! |
| 14:31:09 | LinusN | XavierGr: i deleted it |
| 14:31:19 | Jungti1234 | I opened my E10!! |
| 14:31:26 | JdGordon | well done |
| 14:31:40 | RoC_MM | going to wash my keyboard in the dishwasher |
| 14:31:41 | JdGordon | that took a while.. how long u been trying for? |
| 14:31:45 | markun | Jungti1234: congratulations! |
| 14:31:48 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 14:31:52 | RoC_MM | any thoughts? |
| 14:31:53 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 14:32:30 | markun | RoC_MM: good luck |
| 14:32:33 | RoC_MM | heh |
| 14:32:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:32:43 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 14:33:09 | Jungti1234 | oh no.. |
| 14:33:42 | markun | you broke it? |
| 14:34:06 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 14:34:15 | Jungti1234 | Very careful... |
| 14:34:23 | Jungti1234 | But, dangerous. |
| 14:35:51 | Jungti1234 | GOOD!! |
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| 14:36:02 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 14:36:13 | Jungti1234 | I will take a picture. |
| 14:36:56 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 14:37:04 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/korean.lang |
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| 14:38:03 | Stepn | hi, does anyone know why scrolling text in my wps is refreshing portions of images on the same x axis as the text? i am using the scrolling margins patch |
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| 14:38:34 | Stepn | well not refreshing, its making those parts disappear |
| 14:39:38 | JdGordon | the patch doesnt work 100% maybe? |
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| 14:44:33 | XavierGr | "moo" |
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| 14:45:21 | amiconn | lnn |
| 14:46:12 | petur | npp |
| 14:47:00 | XavierGr | ? |
| 14:47:06 | XavierGr | lnn, npp? |
| 14:47:48 | petur | :p |
| 14:48:01 | petur | hal, ibm |
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| 14:48:16 | XavierGr | hey don't swear at me :) |
| 14:48:43 | petur | just throwing clues :p |
| 14:49:04 | XavierGr | what? CPU architectures? |
| 14:49:38 | XavierGr | I don't know much about these stuff... |
| 14:52:38 | Milkmaster | moo, petur. moo. lnn=>moo (look at your keyboard) npp=>moo (look at the alphabet) |
| 14:53:22 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 14:53:48 | Jungti1234 | I can't progress continuation work.... |
| 14:56:05 | * | petur looks at his keyboard.... gets something to clean it |
| 14:56:57 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 14:58:12 | Jungti1234 | http://cafe.naver.com/irivere10/1656 |
| 14:58:22 | Jungti1234 | only 3 pics |
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| 15:00:50 | XavierGr | wow too many sticky tapes |
| 15:00:52 | petur | more opening work ;) |
| 15:00:59 | Jungti1234 | I can't |
| 15:01:10 | XavierGr | ok Jungti1234: you can now officially start porting rockbox to it :P |
| 15:01:19 | Jungti1234 | I don't have small + driver. |
| 15:01:34 | Jungti1234 | more small.. |
| 15:06:34 | Jungti1234 | I go to do continuation work. |
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| 15:22:15 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
| 15:22:18 | Jungti1234 | petur? |
| 15:22:40 | JdGordon | Jungti1234: was there always a t in your nick? or did u justrecently start adding it? |
| 15:22:50 | JdGordon | i coulda sworn u was always jungi1234? |
| 15:22:53 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 15:22:55 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 15:23:04 | petur | ? |
| 15:23:08 | petur | JdGordon: no |
| 15:23:22 | JdGordon | hmm.. |
| 15:23:37 | Jungti1234 | I have more picture |
| 15:23:45 | Jungti1234 | I need your help. |
| 15:23:47 | JdGordon | well put em up... :p |
| 15:23:52 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 15:24:14 | petur | JdGordon: go back to sleep ;) |
| 15:24:16 | petur | wtf... 20 seconds lag |
| 15:25:14 | Hansmaulwurf | is it just me or is rockbox.org really slow as hell? |
| 15:25:52 | Jungti1234 | very big size |
| 15:26:01 | * | petur checks /. |
| 15:26:08 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2948.JPG |
| 15:26:22 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2949.JPG |
| 15:26:41 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2950.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2951.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2952.JPG |
| 15:27:08 | tucoz | Hansmaulwurf: I noticed that also |
| 15:27:49 | Jungti1234 | JdGordon |
| 15:28:05 | Jungti1234 | You asked to me. 'how long u been trying for?' |
| 15:28:19 | JdGordon | ye |
| 15:28:29 | Jungti1234 | Didn't take 1 month. |
| 15:28:46 | petur | bah.. damn lag, forget my remark |
| 15:28:57 | Jungti1234 | Can't anyone help to me? |
| 15:30:27 | petur | Jungti1234: try to make pictures with the text on the chips readable |
| 15:30:46 | markun | Jungti1234: nice pictures |
| 15:31:27 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 15:31:45 | Jungti1234 | markun. Long time no see. :P |
| 15:32:02 | markun | I can see an Atmel MEGA88, Philips TEA1211, some cirrus logic chip |
| 15:32:11 | Jungti1234 | http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.7ac4c50322419b5daa67bca4bac4f0a0/ |
| 15:32:16 | markun | Jungti1234: is there no Samsung ARM CPU? |
| 15:32:36 | Jungti1234 | I don't know yet |
| 15:32:46 | Jungti1234 | ahh |
| 15:32:47 | Jungti1234 | http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.a994b57654279b5daa67bca4bac4f0a0/ |
| 15:32:48 | markun | An LT4055 |
| 15:32:50 | Jungti1234 | Hard Disk |
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| 15:33:57 | | Part Zenopus |
| 15:34:43 | Jungti1234 | I will take picture of chip that don't see on left. |
| 15:35:21 | tucoz | Jungti1234: congratulations to the victory against Togo |
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| 15:36:04 | markun | this is the DAC: http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/pro/detail/P1088.html |
| 15:36:59 | markun | Jungti1234: maybe the CPU is on the other side |
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| 15:38:50 | amiconn | Harddisk being a hitachi microdrive isn't surprising |
| 15:39:08 | amiconn | Same or similar model as used in the ipod mini |
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| 15:42:03 | Jungti1234 | CPU!! |
| 15:42:05 | Jungti1234 | ARM |
| 15:42:08 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 15:42:22 | Jungti1234 | tucoz: Thanks :D |
| 15:42:43 | Jungti1234 | amiconn: ok |
| 15:42:54 | Jungti1234 | I took a picture. |
| 15:43:12 | Jungti1234 | But, battery of camera is lacking. |
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| 15:43:35 | markun | Jungti1234: Is it a samsung CPU? |
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| 15:43:55 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 15:44:45 | Jungti1234 | wait for 30 minutes |
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| 15:45:03 | markun | ok |
| 15:45:50 | dongs | oshi |
| 15:45:56 | dongs | Jungti1234: did the zerg win worldcup? |
| 15:46:44 | Jungti1234 | zerg? |
| 15:46:48 | dongs | lol, cmon |
| 15:46:57 | Jungti1234 | what's mean.. |
| 15:46:58 | dongs | zerg = starcraft = korea |
| 15:47:03 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 15:47:04 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 15:47:10 | Hansmaulwurf | no they lost |
| 15:47:12 | preglow | dongs has starcraft anal retentiveness |
| 15:47:13 | dongs | doh |
| 15:47:14 | Hansmaulwurf | i think |
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| 15:47:34 | dongs | preglow: personal attacks? |
| 15:47:37 | Hansmaulwurf | everyday 3 matches, its getting confusing |
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| 15:47:48 | Bacta | is RockBox the alternative iPod OS? |
| 15:48:02 | Mikachu | it is an alternative ipod os |
| 15:48:02 | dongs | well yeah |
| 15:48:10 | dongs | and its better, to! |
| 15:48:19 | Bacta | can an iPod mini run it? |
| 15:48:20 | markun | Bacta: for ipods and some other players |
| 15:48:43 | Jungti1234 | hurry... |
| 15:49:34 | preglow | dongs: where? |
| 15:49:40 | dongs | hurry where? |
| 15:49:45 | dongs | preglow: whats with anal references |
| 15:49:54 | Bacta | can my ipod run it? |
| 15:50:15 | preglow | dongs: just me being annoyed at you mentioning zergs everytime Jungti1234 shows up |
| 15:50:28 | preglow | it gets boring |
| 15:50:55 | Bacta | giddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy |
| 15:51:02 | Jungti1234 | hmm... |
| 15:51:03 | dongs | preglow: what, but he:s my best internet friend |
| 15:51:04 | preglow | wrong characters! |
| 15:51:09 | dongs | Jungti1234: right? |
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| 15:51:16 | Jungti1234 | I'm ok.. |
| 15:51:32 | Jungti1234 | he is japanese, I'm korean. |
| 15:51:41 | Bacta | North or South? |
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| 15:51:47 | Jungti1234 | KOREA |
| 15:51:52 | Jungti1234 | not south north |
| 15:51:56 | dongs | lol north korea |
| 15:52:00 | Jungti1234 | We are one. |
| 15:52:12 | Mikachu | hm, did i miss that merger? |
| 15:52:13 | dongs | interesting fact: north korea domain is .kp |
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| 15:52:17 | dongs | but every single hit for .kp on gogole |
| 15:52:21 | dongs | is misspelled japanese domain name |
| 15:52:30 | dongs | just try something like google site:kp |
| 15:52:36 | dongs | its pretty funny. |
| 15:52:36 | Bacta | North Koreans are SEXY |
| 15:52:47 | Jungti1234 | wahahahahaha |
| 15:52:50 | Bacta | just look at that Korean torture chamber assistant in Die Another Day |
| 15:52:51 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 15:53:13 | Jungti1234 | 007? |
| 15:53:15 | Bacta | yep |
| 15:53:19 | Jungti1234 | nonono |
| 15:53:29 | Jungti1234 | It is not actuality. |
| 15:53:30 | Bacta | in the script her name was "scorpian woman" |
| 15:53:48 | Jungti1234 | Korean hates it... 007 another day |
| 15:53:54 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/gook/DSC_7798.jpg |
| 15:53:55 | Bacta | how come? |
| 15:54:00 | dongs | this is a pretty good looking korean |
| 15:54:06 | Jungti1234 | Bacta: what? |
| 15:54:10 | dongs | until you see hte picture title that is |
| 15:54:15 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 15:54:19 | Jungti1234 | she is japanese. no? |
| 15:54:20 | Bacta | how come koreans hated it? |
| 15:54:30 | dongs | Jungti1234: its not even a she :D |
| 15:54:31 | Jungti1234 | 'how come'? |
| 15:54:42 | Bacta | OH GOD NO |
| 15:54:44 | Mikachu | may i perhaps step in to try and stop this discussion? |
| 15:54:47 | Bacta | dongs u bastard :p |
| 15:55:02 | aliask | 'how come' = why |
| 15:55:02 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 15:55:05 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 15:55:54 | Bacta | giddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy |
| 15:56:09 | Jungti1234 | 1. Transparent American heroism |
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| 15:56:41 | dongs | Jungti1234: korean friend of mien went to japan for a day. he thought he could online-order something and receive it same day. lol. he was in for quite a surprise. ended up cancelling a lot of orders! |
| 15:56:46 | Jungti1234 | 2. Obvious reverse |
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| 15:57:17 | Bacta | giddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy |
| 15:57:45 | Jungti1234 | 3. There are much distortions. |
| 15:58:30 | Jungti1234 | 4. The South Korea excluded. |
| 15:58:53 | Jungti1234 | 5. Farmhouse and farmer's delineation |
| 15:59:09 | dongs | Jungti1234: i think you are failing right now |
| 15:59:22 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:23 | Jungti1234 | Would you like to know more the reason? |
| 16:00:41 | aliask | Jungti1234: Don't listen to dongs, he is an idiot. :) |
| 16:01:12 | Jungti1234 | last one reason |
| 16:02:05 | Jungti1234 | Sex in front of buddha statue |
| 16:03:24 | Jungti1234 | end |
| 16:04:33 | dongs | oh |
| 16:04:36 | dongs | i didnt notice that |
| 16:04:40 | dongs | he was listing reasons why 007 sucks |
| 16:05:12 | Bacta | i never saw that sex scene :S |
| 16:07:03 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 16:07:04 | Jungti1234 | next |
| 16:07:08 | Jungti1234 | E10 |
| 16:08:25 | Jungti1234 | I don't have more battery. |
| 16:10:57 | Jungti1234 | reboot |
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| 16:21:15 | aliask | night everyone |
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| 16:51:45 | chromoXdor | jh |
| 16:59:35 | dongs | is that newstyle for heil hitler? |
| 16:59:56 | chromoXdor | what? |
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| 17:00:06 | chromoXdor | jh? |
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| 17:01:11 | chromoXdor | it´s just senslesstipping |
| 17:01:20 | audreyhorne | hi... i have a question about a WPS |
| 17:01:51 | dongs | !help ask |
| 17:01:55 | dongs | or something like that. |
| 17:01:57 | dongs | dont ask to ask. |
| 17:02:08 | amiconn | Zagor/ Bagder: Has rockbox.org moved behind a modem connection, or what? |
| 17:02:21 | Jungti1234 | audreyhorne: ask |
| 17:02:39 | audreyhorne | i know you use % to start all commands −− but how do you show an actual "%" on the screen? |
| 17:02:51 | Zagor | amiconn: no, just the same very slow 2Mbit connection. if someone at the office downloads a redhat cd or something, everything slows to a crawl... |
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| 17:03:10 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 17:03:17 | webguest18 | %% |
| 17:03:26 | Zagor | hmm, looks like the current traffic peak is from the rockbox server though... |
| 17:03:33 | Jungti1234 | you can find it in wiki |
| 17:03:45 | webguest18 | just type %% |
| 17:03:52 | audreyhorne | webguest −− really? |
| 17:04:37 | audreyhorne | duh... just found the "other tags" section in the wiki |
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| 17:04:49 | Jungti1234 | ... |
| 17:06:07 | goffa | i see lwn.net had a story on rockbox |
| 17:06:17 | | Part webguest18 |
| 17:06:18 | goffa | haven't read it yet because i'm too cheap to subscribe |
| 17:06:28 | goffa | i'll be checkin it out next week |
| 17:06:40 | tucoz | a new story? |
| 17:06:55 | goffa | its in the current issue |
| 17:07:15 | tucoz | ah |
| 17:07:15 | goffa | nm |
| 17:07:22 | goffa | june 14 |
| 17:07:55 | goffa | looks like it was posted by Daniel Stenberg.. rockbox on sandisk |
| 17:08:04 | Jungti1234 | nah |
| 17:08:07 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 17:10:44 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2953.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2954.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2955.JPG |
| 17:11:02 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2957.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2958.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2959.JPG http://www.ihuf.net/rockbox/DSCN2960.JPG |
| 17:11:15 | Jungti1234 | end |
| 17:11:38 | Mark__ | </> |
| 17:12:05 | goffa | what's that .. m3? |
| 17:12:32 | Zagor | also a new link on digg.com 23 hours ago |
| 17:13:54 | Jungti1234 | iriver E10 |
| 17:14:50 | goffa | ah |
| 17:17:21 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 17:17:24 | Jungti1234 | I have go to now |
| 17:17:35 | tucoz | Zagor: what is that link? |
| 17:17:47 | Zagor | tucoz: http://www.digg.com/mods/An_iPod_that_s_not_an_iPod |
| 17:17:56 | tucoz | thanks |
| 17:18:05 | markun | Jungti1234: good pictures |
| 17:18:10 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 17:18:24 | Jungti1234 | you can see all chip name |
| 17:18:31 | markun | yes, very good |
| 17:18:50 | markun | If only Samsung would have some documentation of those chips for us.. |
| 17:19:29 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 17:19:43 | Jungti1234 | Do you need name of display? |
| 17:19:57 | Jungti1234 | LCD |
| 17:20:10 | Jungti1234 | I can't see it.. |
| 17:20:34 | Jungti1234 | anyway.. |
| 17:20:39 | Jungti1234 | see you tomorrow |
| 17:20:44 | tucoz | Zagor: the last post on digg "The Rockbox site is dugg at the moment so I can't effectively check the official wiki for my question. " :) |
| 17:20:47 | | Quit Jungti1234 () |
| 17:20:51 | Zagor | tucoz: another article I haven't seen before: http://tf.erzz.com/2006/06/07/drop-itunes-media-monkey-rockbox-is-the-perfect-marriage/ |
| 17:21:06 | * | Zagor scours the log for referrers :-) |
| 17:21:07 | tucoz | me neither. Should I add it to the articles section? |
| 17:21:12 | Zagor | please do |
| 17:23:09 | tucoz | done |
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| 18:49:29 | spifwand | i love you rockbox |
| 18:49:34 | spifwand | plz marry me |
| 18:49:59 | spifwand | mediamonkey + rockbox = pwntastic |
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| 18:57:51 | preglow | apparently |
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| 19:10:25 | * | amiconn is somewhat puzzled... |
| 19:11:08 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-06/0289.shtml |
| 19:11:29 | amiconn | The mentioned files all play fine on my Studio... |
| 19:12:10 | amiconn | The only possible explanation is that the limitations in the MAS3507D changed with chip revisions |
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| 19:15:04 | * | petur pours a Leffe Blond into a Grimbergen glass |
| 19:19:33 | * | spifwand sips slim fast out of blender |
| 19:20:42 | * | preglow sulks |
| 19:21:23 | * | tucoz says thank you to petur, and takes a refreshing sip of his delicious beer |
| 19:21:47 | petur | no problem, have three more in the fridge ;) |
| 19:21:56 | tucoz | :) |
| 19:22:19 | preglow | brown leffe is better |
| 19:22:25 | petur | depends |
| 19:22:30 | preglow | not really :) |
| 19:22:46 | tucoz | beer and norway is not a perfect match |
| 19:22:55 | petur | brown beers are sweeter and normally prefered by women |
| 19:22:58 | petur | :p |
| 19:23:01 | preglow | haha |
| 19:23:06 | preglow | belgian brown beers, yes |
| 19:23:21 | preglow | i don't think your average imperial stout is prefered by women |
| 19:23:53 | preglow | then again, that'd be more of a black beer... |
| 19:25:42 | tucoz | mmm, black beer |
| 19:26:00 | tucoz | I think I like beer in all shades actually |
| 19:26:04 | preglow | i know i do |
| 19:26:26 | tucoz | Not sure about crystal clear beer though |
| 19:26:29 | preglow | only beer so far i haven't found completely decent is rodenbach grand cru, but that really is one for enthusiasts |
| 19:26:56 | petur | I've never tried that |
| 19:27:03 | preglow | it's sour as hell |
| 19:27:08 | preglow | but then, it's meant to be |
| 19:28:07 | petur | you should try geuze lambik made by some small breweries around Brussels - very sour. But not exported I fear |
| 19:28:21 | tucoz | I drank Berliner Kindl when I was in Berlin. Beer with raspberry syrup. hmmm |
| 19:28:22 | preglow | no, it's not, but i do intend to try a ton of them when i can |
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| 19:28:55 | * | petur offers preglow his sofa when he comes near Gent ;) |
| 19:29:14 | preglow | me turning up in belgium one day is very far from impossible, heh |
| 19:30:41 | preglow | we'll see, right now i need to write more boring gui code :/ |
| 19:31:24 | petur | hmmm... what's uda1380_volume used for in uda1380.c? nothing it seems to me |
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| 19:32:11 | petur | same for uda1380_balance |
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| 19:35:09 | tucoz | when recording from spdif, is there a 'new track' flag sent? E.g. on a cd player with digital out. In that case, is this implemented in rockbox? |
| 19:40:03 | tucoz | I remember my old minidisc creating tracks when recording from digital out, but the iriver fw does not |
| 19:40:03 | amiconn | petur: ? |
| 19:40:19 | petur | yes? |
| 19:40:50 | amiconn | [19:32:14] <petur> hmmm... what's uda1380_volume used for in uda1380.c? nothing it seems to me <== why do you ask? |
| 19:41:03 | preglow | tucoz: we have the possibility to intercept such messages for coldfire platforms |
| 19:41:04 | amiconn | Of course these functiuons are used... |
| 19:41:15 | tucoz | preglow: nice |
| 19:41:20 | petur | because they're only declared and assigned, never actually used |
| 19:42:30 | amiconn | Umm, sorry, you mean the variables... |
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| 19:43:22 | amiconn | Guess they were used for shadowing, but that's now done in a different way for all uda registers |
| 19:43:34 | amiconn | Imho we should remove 'em... |
| 19:43:51 | petur | ok |
| 19:44:51 | petur | I'm going to implement peak-reduction for recording: 1) swap calls according to inc/dec, 2) remove yields for uda i2c calls |
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| 19:48:55 | markun | More DM320 players: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4396.msg36496#msg36496 |
| 19:50:12 | amiconn | petur: Not removing these variables was an oversight by me, sorry. http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/uda1380.c?r1=1.9&r2=1.10 |
| 19:51:22 | petur | np |
| 19:51:31 | * | petur runs off to cook dinner |
| 19:56:04 | hardeep | hmmm, does anyone disagree with committing the iCatcher WPS and making it the default on all platforms? |
| 19:56:34 | hardeep | i think we should do that before releasing 3.0 |
| 19:58:30 | tucoz | I think you should do that |
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| 19:59:20 | tucoz | My understanding is that the swedes agree as well |
| 19:59:35 | tucoz | At least they did some time ago |
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| 20:00:57 | Febs | Assuming that there is a non-album art version of iCatcher, I agree as well. |
| 20:01:24 | tucoz | the version in the tracker uses only cvs tags |
| 20:01:53 | preglow | oh, i agree |
| 20:02:12 | preglow | we have nothing even approaching icatcher's level of shininess and cross target consistency |
| 20:02:50 | preglow | and it's more than worthy of being commited anyway, if you ask me |
| 20:03:03 | hardeep | yeah, i think i'm going to commit it |
| 20:03:14 | tucoz | hardeep: the current wps-build script doesn't handle different fonts for different resolutions though |
| 20:03:14 | hardeep | and then make sure there's no problems before making it the default |
| 20:03:36 | hardeep | tucoz: yeah, i noticed that... will have to fix |
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| 20:15:32 | amiconn | hardeep: (1) How would you make an on-disk wps the default? (2) What happens if icatcher isn't present when settings are reset? |
| 20:15:47 | hardeep | amiconn: yeah, that's the stuff i was going to look into |
| 20:16:06 | hardeep | amiconn: the current default should still be the fallback |
| 20:16:37 | amiconn | (3) While I do like the icatcher look, I'm not sure whether I could bear the increased load time of a bitmapped wps |
| 20:17:22 | hardeep | you can always choose a different wps =) |
| 20:17:34 | hardeep | i think most people would prefer the bitmapped version |
| 20:17:43 | amiconn | I'm easily annoyed by boot times; the iriver rockbox boot is rather slow |
| 20:17:59 | * | amiconn is spoiled by rockbox in flash on archos |
| 20:18:38 | amiconn | 4..5 seconds boot time on player & recorder, with the unit already registering keypresses ~1 second after poweron |
| 20:20:07 | amiconn | Boot time on ipod is comparable when retailos is removed, yet without the early keypress registering |
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| 20:34:02 | tucoz | amiconn: no one is forcing you to stick with icatcher. But the first impression factor for people installing rockbox for the first time is valid imo. |
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| 20:41:53 | amiconn | That's a point I'll probably never really understand... why do people prefer design over functionality? ?:-/ |
| 20:42:14 | preglow | i think they prefer both |
| 20:42:24 | tucoz | I think people in general are used to slick guis |
| 20:42:36 | preglow | if you take a look at the forums, you'll be lying if you say there are more requests about the gui than basic functionality |
| 20:43:19 | Febs | amiconn: imo, the default wps is NOT functional on platforms with a largers screen like the video and the h300. |
| 20:43:41 | Febs | The default font is too small for my old eyes to read. |
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| 20:45:19 | LinusN | amiconn: i don't think the builtin wps is very functional on the larger screens |
| 20:45:28 | Presence | I agree with Febs, that default font is itty bitty. My wife laughed at me for using it. |
| 20:45:29 | Mikachu | didn't someone make a good default wps for most sizes? |
| 20:45:32 | LinusN | it is tiny and looks awful |
| 20:45:44 | amiconn | Hehe. I'm actually running a very-similar-to-default wps on my H300 |
| 20:45:56 | LinusN | and you are free to do so |
| 20:45:57 | amiconn | ..with the default font |
| 20:46:12 | LinusN | that doesn't mean that it should be the default for the rest of the userbase |
| 20:47:05 | LinusN | the problem is that the default font is still ... eh ... default |
| 20:47:05 | amiconn | Besides, I didn't say that we shouldn't make icatcher the default, if you think that the look is that important |
| 20:47:17 | amiconn | It's just that I don't really get it |
| 20:47:20 | LinusN | so the default wps would have to use it |
| 20:47:36 | Presence | iCatcher > Boxes. |
| 20:47:44 | LinusN | i'm surprised that you don't get it |
| 20:47:52 | preglow | i'm not |
| 20:47:59 | amiconn | One more reason for me to work on text-based config, so that settings resets due to settings version changes will stop happening |
| 20:48:00 | LinusN | :-) |
| 20:48:18 | LinusN | amiconn: yup |
| 20:48:31 | preglow | text based config will be heaven |
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| 21:18:35 | XavierGr | ah preglow: Genre9mp3 will be very happy about your remarks about iCatcher. :) |
| 21:18:56 | XavierGr | But it is nice to see that there is a discussion to change default WPS. |
| 21:19:09 | XavierGr | H300 looks very weird with the default one. |
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| 21:24:10 | preglow | just wait until you see ipod 5g |
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| 21:27:59 | XavierGr | preglow: I can imagine... |
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| 21:35:47 | earHertz | ANYONE GERMAN HERE? |
| 21:36:20 | bluey- | ! |
| 21:36:50 | bluey- | weißwurst :) |
| 21:43:33 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:44:02 | bluebrother | ja. |
| 21:44:11 | bluebrother | earHertz, why are you screaming? |
| 21:44:28 | earHertz | I accidently had caps lock on |
| 21:44:37 | bluey- | weißwurst and sauerkraut ! |
| 21:44:50 | earHertz | bluey-: ja, ja |
| 21:45:24 | bluebrother | so, what's the problem? Everyone's out watching soccer? |
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| 21:45:43 | earHertz | oh, yah, probably. |
| 21:45:49 | bluey- | BAHH kein tor |
| 21:45:50 | earHertz | though amiconn says he's not into it |
| 21:45:58 | preglow | i'm not either... |
| 21:46:00 | bluebrother | damn, those guys outside my window are _loud_ |
| 21:46:01 | preglow | i'm still not german |
| 21:46:43 | earHertz | sgtill? |
| 21:46:44 | bluebrother | I'm german but I'm also not really interested in those sports. |
| 21:47:01 | earHertz | bluebrother: oh, you're german? from where? |
| 21:47:06 | Xerion | i;m not german, i'm just watching hoping they get beaten :p |
| 21:47:30 | bluebrother | earHertz, Karlsruhe ATM. |
| 21:47:41 | bluebrother | damn hot south germany :( |
| 21:47:56 | bluey- | heared there is shower tommorrow :) |
| 21:48:02 | earHertz | how do you pronouce "Boehner"? |
| 21:48:08 | bluebrother | sounds like Halbzeit. |
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| 21:56:01 | XavierGr | I am not German but I am watching the game. (well it is halftime right now) |
| 21:56:03 | jochen | good $TIME_OF_THE_DAY_AT_YOUR_LOCATION ! |
| 21:56:15 | dionoea | jochen: nice one :) |
| 21:56:29 | jochen | sorry, didn't mean to shout. |
| 21:57:32 | jochen | i hope, the devs ain't to much into soccer. ;) |
| 21:58:06 | dionoea | well some people here seemed to be watching the game ... |
| 21:58:46 | jochen | uuh, i hope, amiconn's not among those. ;) |
| 21:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 21:59:59 | jochen | supposed he's still the one who's looking after that insomniac usbtg-chip |
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| 22:01:58 | petur | bluey-: the showers are here atm, expect bursts of lots of water |
| 22:03:09 | jochen | well, we already had some sort of rain some hours ago. but it didn't cool the air down at all. |
| 22:03:47 | petur | it went 30 -> 21 here |
| 22:03:53 | * | petur is happy now |
| 22:03:58 | jochen | lucky you... |
| 22:04:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | And 30 is hot? |
| 22:04:35 | petur | degrees celcius |
| 22:04:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I know |
| 22:04:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was 35 here for the last 5 hours or so. |
| 22:05:26 | petur | my limit is at 25, above it I suffer termal throttling |
| 22:05:35 | petur | thermal even |
| 22:05:44 | jochen | as per weather.com, we also have like 20 degrees now, but due to the high humidity, it still doesn't really feel cold. |
| 22:05:51 | XavierGr | petur you are really sensitive to heat... |
| 22:06:10 | XavierGr | 27C is considered as ideal temprature. |
| 22:06:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was 41 yesterday. =/ |
| 22:06:35 | * | amiconn is tempted to send petur to greece, in summer ;) |
| 22:06:45 | jochen | 41? where are you from? |
| 22:06:51 | jochen | oh, forget it. *lol* |
| 22:07:08 | jochen | oh, no, don't forget it, i misread sth.. |
| 22:07:10 | * | petur slaps amiconn with a large airco |
| 22:07:34 | Presence | 28 °C |
| 22:07:41 | Presence | las vegas. |
| 22:07:41 | XavierGr | amiconn: hehe, but petur has already gone to Greece. |
| 22:08:05 | * | XavierGr thinks that petur hates Greece :p |
| 22:08:32 | petur | yes, and never again. The country & people is ok, the temperature not |
| 22:09:07 | jochen | amiconn: how are you coming along with your lullabies for the usbtg chip? ;) |
| 22:09:20 | XavierGr | petur: you should go and live in Africa! |
| 22:09:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | jochen: Texas. |
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| 22:10:17 | petur | all my last summer holidays were up north (Iceland, Norway, Finland) |
| 22:10:39 | jochen | yeah, norway is really nice. as far as i can remember... |
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| 22:14:40 | jochen | time to put on some stran... err.. uncommon music. :) |
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| 22:15:31 | earHertz | why can't I find button.c here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/ ? |
| 22:16:14 | petur | earHertz: viewcvs is acting up on all recently modfied/added files |
| 22:17:02 | petur | click on another file, then modify the url |
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| 22:18:50 | jochen | that whole cvs thingy can be a turn-off sometimes.. |
| 22:19:27 | petur | like this: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 22:19:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know why when I plug a charger into my AJBR the battery % goes from whatever it is to approximately 6-8? |
| 22:19:33 | Lear | not only recently modified. e.g., main.c has been missing in action for some time... |
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| 22:20:47 | amiconn | The H300 retailos isp1362 access timing is dead slow.... |
| 22:21:22 | amiconn | or rather, it is slower than necessary at max. clock |
| 22:21:37 | amiconn | I dunno what clock iriver runs the cpu at when doing usbotg |
| 22:22:10 | amiconn | What's definitely slower than necessary is the many 'nop's in the read functions |
| 22:22:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehe |
| 22:22:54 | amiconn | ..for the DC at least |
| 22:23:26 | petur | they must have had a reason to insert those nops |
| 22:24:19 | amiconn | For the HC, they played safe and chose the slowest timing constraint (DC buffer read access) |
| 22:24:33 | amiconn | For the DC, they obviously just copied the access routines |
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| 22:27:43 | amiconn | Hmm. Obviously the datasheet isn't complete wrt timing |
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| 22:29:32 | jochen | gtg, bye && good luck |
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| 22:44:58 | * | petur is stil unsure about removing the yields in i2c-coldfire.c |
| 22:46:05 | amiconn | Blargh :( |
| 22:46:12 | petur | ? |
| 22:46:19 | amiconn | The datasheet and the appnotes contradict each other |
| 22:46:30 | petur | oh nice |
| 22:46:34 | Lear | petur: have removed or thinking about removing? |
| 22:47:06 | petur | I have them removed here and everything seems to work ok |
| 22:47:10 | Lear | wondering, since I got a freeze today when trying to change volume... |
| 22:47:36 | petur | they're still there in cvs |
| 22:48:30 | amiconn | Wah! It's really noisy outside right now. Damn world cup :( |
| 22:49:28 | RedBreva | That would be the reaction to the winning goal I assume? |
| 22:50:07 | XavierGr | hehe, amiconn congratulations on Germany |
| 22:50:13 | XavierGr | You just won Poland! |
| 22:50:15 | * | amiconn doesn't care |
| 22:50:20 | tucoz | congratulations germany |
| 22:50:21 | XavierGr | I know... :p |
| 22:50:29 | amiconn | Soccer is boring |
| 22:51:32 | RedBreva | It's not soccer, it's football - onlythe Americans play So |
| 22:51:35 | RedBreva | ccer |
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| 22:53:25 | amiconn | petur: The programming guide says disable overcurrent detection with bit 14 of HcHardwareConfiguration in the put-to-suspend description, |
| 22:54:02 | amiconn | but in the table describing that register earlier in the document, overcurrent protection is disabled with bit 10, and bit 14 is undefined |
| 22:54:34 | sharpe | heh, you could always set both bits, and see if it works. |
| 22:54:42 | amiconn | Bit 10 matches the datasheet, but the datasheet says bit 14 is defined - being GlobalPowerDown |
| 22:54:49 | earHertz | rockbox coding guidelines: spaces or tabs? |
| 22:54:51 | sharpe | or no. |
| 22:54:53 | sharpe | spaces! |
| 22:55:46 | earHertz | spaces per indent? |
| 22:55:54 | sharpe | four, i believe. |
| 22:56:09 | Mikachu | look in any file... |
| 22:56:46 | sharpe | but that's so, *not* time consuming. especially when you want to procrastinate. |
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| 22:59:35 | sharpe | hmm... anyone have a look at the latest update on the manufacturer cooperation stuff? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:01:25 | sharpe | well. probably. i just haven't seen it since... fourteen hours ago. |
| 23:02:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one where I don't know the name of the manufacturer? |
| 23:02:13 | sharpe | the 'chinese mp3 player' ? |
| 23:02:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, something like that. |
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| 23:04:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if they give me one for free, I'll gladly support it in our forums most effectively once Rockbox is available for it. ;) |
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| 23:05:35 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 23:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly I do quite like the sound of that player. |
| 23:08:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | But my two priorities wrt coding for Rockbox are: Learn the playback system, then attempt to help out if a Sandisk port does begin. |
| 23:08:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | With the playback system being with intent to try to fix some bugs if the freeze goes on too much longer. :) |
| 23:09:29 | sharpe | i've no intents at the moment. |
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| 23:10:18 | senab | obo you in here? |
| 23:10:25 | obo | yup |
| 23:10:45 | senab | autopause won't compile lol |
| 23:11:07 | senab | i applied scrobbler |
| 23:11:29 | senab | then went through the autopause patch file manually doing it |
| 23:11:39 | obo | yup, bit of a painful job |
| 23:11:47 | senab | now it wont compile |
| 23:11:56 | Mikachu | then you did Something Wrong [tm] |
| 23:12:00 | * | amiconn is already halfway there - DC already sleeping, HC left to do... |
| 23:12:54 | obo | what file is failing, and can you pastebin.com the failing section of that file? |
| 23:12:58 | dionoea | $define HC |
| 23:13:16 | amiconn | DC == device controller, HC == host controller |
| 23:13:27 | dionoea | usb stuff ? |
| 23:13:31 | senab | i'm just recompiling now, give me a sec |
| 23:13:47 | amiconn | The ISP1362 consists of 2 parts, (1) a device controller (slave), (2) a host controller (master) |
| 23:14:28 | * | dionoea thanks amiconn for the answer :) (and googles for ISP1362) |
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| 23:14:52 | amiconn | USB on-the-go controller made by Philips, used in the H300 |
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| 23:15:06 | dionoea | ok, thanks ;) |
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| 23:17:43 | senab | obo: ahh crap, i forgot i restored the CVS |
| 23:17:54 | senab | its was settings.c |
| 23:18:13 | senab | it was moaning about a { i think |
| 23:18:46 | senab | i'll have another look tomorrow |
| 23:18:59 | obo | okay, no worries. let me know if you get completely stuck :) |
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| 23:19:22 | senab | i'll find u again wen i've done it tomorrow |
| 23:19:36 | senab | cheers obo |
| 23:19:58 | obo | no worries :) |
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| 23:24:47 | petur | amiconn: me idiot, the two gain regs are next to each other and should be written in one operation :) |
| 23:25:01 | petur | (uda1380) |
| 23:26:09 | petur | at least for PGA (line-in) |
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| 23:26:51 | petur | for VGA this is not possible but the quality requirement is less there anyway |
| 23:27:04 | petur | (internal mic) |
| 23:29:53 | webguest29 | hi, what IRC client shall i install on my pc ? (i sue RBx webclient, but not so ergonomic...) |
| 23:30:04 | petur | what os? |
| 23:30:09 | webguest29 | wxp |
| 23:30:25 | ender` | xchat or hydrairc |
| 23:30:36 | petur | I like nettalk a lot |
| 23:30:50 | webguest29 | i check, tanx |
| 23:30:50 | ender` | xchat at www.silverex.info, hydrairc on www.hydrairc.com |
| 23:31:55 | petur | http://www.ntalk.de/Nettalk/ |
| 23:32:31 | spifwand | www.warirc.com |
| 23:33:19 | earHertz | How do I do a mutex on a variable, to ensure that it's not modified by another thread whiel I'm playing with it? |
| 23:33:34 | petur | no problem |
| 23:33:55 | petur | unless you yield or sleep |
| 23:34:30 | petur | rb is cooperative multitasking, other threads only run if you tell it to |
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| 23:37:51 | earHertz | really? You're sure? |
| 23:37:56 | Bagder | yes |
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| 23:38:13 | earHertz | even stuff that's driven by an interrupt? |
| 23:38:25 | Bagder | no, interrupts are always interrupts |
| 23:38:44 | earHertz | so an interrupt could cause otehr code to run? |
| 23:38:45 | petur | you can disable irq for short time |
| 23:39:13 | Bagder | interrupts cause interrupt code to run, yes, unless you have them disabled |
| 23:39:14 | petur | no, irq's shouldn't cause other threads to run |
| 23:39:47 | earHertz | Ok, the button code, iis it driven by an interrupt? I need to modify a var that is also modified by teh button code |
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| 23:45:04 | petur | amiconn: please let me swear at the UDA1380 |
| 23:45:46 | preglow | earHertz: only ipod has interrupt driven button code |
| 23:46:03 | earHertz | funnily enough, this is for the ipod |
| 23:46:07 | petur | even writing both gain regs in one write causes glitches the same size :( |
| 23:46:24 | earHertz | so I should clear interrrupts. How do I do that? |
| 23:47:05 | preglow | earHertz: you set the mask interrupts flag |
| 23:47:08 | preglow | system.h has code that does this |
| 23:47:19 | preglow | why do you need to do this? |
| 23:47:29 | earHertz | Thanks |
| 23:47:50 | earHertz | I have a value that gets modified both by teh button code, and by any client that reads it (reading it resets it) |
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| 23:49:19 | preglow | but is this generic code for all targets? |
| 23:49:36 | preglow | it's also worth knowing that the button drivers gets called in an interrupt context anyway |
| 23:49:39 | webguest29 | ender, i installed xchat, and connected to freenode |
| 23:49:44 | preglow | since they're run from the tick timer |
| 23:49:53 | ender` | now just do /j #rockbox |
| 23:50:07 | webguest29 | now how to join #rockbox ?(never used an irc tool) |
| 23:50:14 | webguest29 | oups sorry |
| 23:50:25 | ender` | no problem, everybody has to start somewhere |
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| 23:51:06 | earHertz | preglow: this is not generic code; it's for 4G & 5g ipods only |
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| 23:52:49 | earHertz | preglow: disable_fiq? |
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| 23:55:53 | tongas | why can't i use my nick i use on RBx forums ? |
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| 23:57:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | tongas: The nick "tongas"? |
| 23:57:56 | tongas | novimon, gaston ! |
| 23:58:06 | tongas | tongas, i just used it to connect |
| 23:58:49 | tongas | sorry novimon was nothing |
| 23:58:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, you're asking why you can't use the nick from the forums here? |
| 23:58:55 | tongas | yes |
| 23:58:58 | amiconn | Hrrmmpff!! |
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