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#rockbox log for 2006-06-14

00:00:08obois windows set to search hidden and system folders?
00:00:22mongeyas seen in the screenie
00:00:37oboah, so it is :)
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00:01:31tucozmongey: you are not alone. lots of hits on google for that error
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00:03:34mongeylooks like ill have to leave it
00:05:00tucozit says that if you are running an app that uses an older cygwin1.dll, then this error is shown
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00:06:01mongeyso do i have to get an older cygwin1.dll ?
00:06:37tucozI am not sure to be frank. I try and find out what version I am using
00:07:24mongeyim using 1005.19.0.0
00:08:03tucozselect file-version in the properties
00:08:23mongeyi did
00:08:26tucozI have 1.15.19-cr-0x5ef
00:08:36tucozin the list-box
00:09:24tucozin the version tab, on top it says 1005.19.0.0, but in the same tab there is a list box
00:09:29tucozsame then
00:09:48tucozDo you have any stray cygwins running?
00:10:14tucozif you ctrl-alt-del and see if there are several instances of cygwin running?
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00:11:43mongeyonly one
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00:13:23tucozthe process is called bash.exe I think
00:13:44nesukunIt's allowed to create a rockbox 'distro' ?
00:14:02tucozsure, as long as you follow the gpl
00:14:50mongeyye 1 bash
00:14:58JackalSMPhey is there ipod video themes?
00:15:15JackalSMPor a tutorial on how to make themes
00:15:20tucozmongey: ok. I am starting to feel sorry for you. is the vmware image out of the question?
00:15:38mongeyi rather not use it
00:15:55tucozbut instead hastle with cygwin til the end of time?
00:16:28mongeyok ill try this
00:17:10tucozJackalSMP: ,
00:17:17JackalSMPok thnxs
00:17:37tucozgood night
00:17:44tucozgood luck mongey
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00:18:50Aghasterwhere can i find the credits for rockbox?
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00:20:28markunAghaster: docs/CREDITS
00:20:54mongeyis the devkit avaible ?
00:21:03markunAghaster: no, in cvs
00:21:05mongeyno in the source
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00:21:50tucozmongey: I think the current cygwin/vmware solution is what is recommended
00:22:03tucozI am not sure the devkit is being maintained
00:22:53markunmongey: perhaps you can maintain it
00:23:07mongeyprobly not
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00:23:51tucozmongey: when you reinstalled cygwin, did you wipe the old cygwin completely?
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00:36:36littleMERMAis there someone
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00:39:31littleMERMAit's good
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00:49:20sharpeyay project gutenberg dvd!
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02:51:32*Paul_The_Nerd points out that it should not be 40C already. Ouch.
02:51:48Paul_The_NerdI officially hate the sun.
02:54:22Aghasterbuy yourself a t-shirt "the sun wants to kill me"
02:56:25Paul_The_NerdI figure if lung cancer is nature's way of telling us smoking is bad, skin cancer must be a pretty clear message too.
02:56:38Quarrymanhmm.. here it's raining.. I don't think that's any better
03:01:04AghasterMeat's making people fat, but people eat it anyway. Is that a message of nature? lol
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03:29:50JdGordonmorning all
03:30:24JdGordonanyone know if amicon had any luck killing the usbotg chip?
03:31:23scorchenot as of yet
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03:41:56sharpeAghaster: it's not that it's meat, it's that it's the fat :D
03:42:10sharpeforty minute reply! yes!
03:42:36Paul_The_NerdSunlight can give you skin cancer the first time you step outside, if you have bad luck
03:42:56Paul_The_NerdI've never heard of one person taking a bite of steak and suddenly becoming dangerously overweight.
03:43:02Aghasterwell, its just that i'm vegetarian. some people do not take sun light, some do no use microsoft products, and i dont eat meat...
03:43:15Paul_The_NerdIt might be fun to watch if that happened though.
03:43:19sharpeof course, tie the windows jokes in... :)
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03:47:02Mikachuyou could get skin cancer sitting in a sealed cave with no light soucre
03:47:18XavierGrwhy not eat meat? It is delicious...unless you think its taste is bad.
03:47:29XavierGrI hate sun too.
03:47:55XavierGrBut sun can be both dangerous and good for your health...
03:48:02sharpeit's like a tradeoff.
03:48:51Aghasteri don't because i decided it was wrong to kill animals when not needed
03:49:06Aghasterand anyway, its better for the health and the environment.
03:49:12JdGordonmmmm.... dead cooow .... *drools*
03:49:21XavierGrAghaster: Sorry to say that but I completely disagree with you.
03:49:25sharpeyay, project gutenberg dvd downloaded!
03:49:42AghasterI know, 96% of the people in north america disagree with m,e
03:49:46Paul_The_NerdThat's actually one of the reasons for vegetarianism I tend not to agree with, partially because I've had animals try to eat *me* in the past.
03:49:53XavierGrAnd no it isn't better for health nor the environment.
03:50:15sharpehowso paul? :)
03:50:24AghasterProducing food to feed an animal and then kill the animal is a process that causes lots of waste
03:50:30Aghasterjust produce food right away.
03:50:37JdGordonyou know whats really funy about vegys that use that excuse? they actually do more harm than good... less demand == cheaper meat != less killing :D
03:50:55Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Starving dogs, when I lived in Indonesia.
03:51:03Aghasterless demand means less producing
03:51:23XavierGrMy opinion: If you like meat eat it. There is not a single reason to go against your nature.
03:51:43AghasterAnd of course, you have the definition of what's "natural" ;)
03:51:54sharpethere are such great philosophical discussions here.
03:52:15JdGordonso hang on, do u eat fish?
03:52:23AghasterThink of it a minute. We're the only specy that drinks milk during its whole life, and that drinks it from another specy
03:52:27Paul_The_NerdHumans actually initially ate fatty bone marrow primarily, as scavengers, because most predators couldn't crack the bones but mankind's predecessors could with stones.
03:52:31Aghasterisn't that kinda unatural?
03:52:44Aghasterno fish
03:52:47Aghastereggs, not a lot
03:52:56Aghastersome milk products, yes
03:52:58sharpewell, it makes you wonder, who was the first person to drink milk from a cow...
03:53:03Aghasterbut i dont drink milk, i prefer soymilk
03:53:05XavierGrunatural is for a sheep to eat a pig! :p
03:53:06GaloisAghaster, inefficiency is not a compelling argument ... entropy is a fact of life, get used to it
03:53:09Paul_The_NerdAghaster: Actually it's true, and most peoples' bodies to some degree reject drinking milk, though in most cases it's mild enough that nobody notices.
03:53:13GaloisI'm not about to give up life just to decrease entropy
03:53:33AghasterI like to be controversial :P hehe
03:53:46Paul_The_NerdAghaster: But drinking soymilk is hypocritical. You're saying "The idea of drinking milk is bad, but I like it enough that I'll drink a fake one."
03:54:15Aghasterno, soymilk isn't hypocritical. its just taking the idea of drinking something that is loaded with nutrients
03:54:21Aghasterbut not with the bad stuff we have in the milk
03:54:21sharpeyou can make almost anything out of soy...
03:54:27Paul_The_NerdSomething intended to simulate milk.
03:54:29Aghasterand without making cows being exploited for it
03:54:30Paul_The_NerdAnd "bad stuff"?
03:54:31XavierGrSo aghaster do you like the taste of meat?
03:54:41Aghasteryeah, cholesterol only exists in animal products
03:55:05AghasterI used too, and i can eat quite nice soy products
03:55:14Aghasterthat are in fact more tasty in some cases.
03:55:16Galoisinefficiency might be persuasive if humanity were facing resource exhaustion, but we are not. The main problem is distribution, not production.
03:55:26JdGordonthe Holy book says the Lord put everything on the earth to please man, it also says if its dead you can eat it.. who am I to argue with that..?
03:55:37AghasterGalois: Excuse me, the environmental problem is a problem of actuality
03:55:49AghasterWe're going straight to death if we don't change our bad habits
03:55:56Paul_The_NerdEither way, this conversation is going on too long off topic, and looks like it may get into real argument...
03:55:57XavierGrJdGordon: I don't take the bible for granted about those things
03:56:00AghasterNot us, but our children yes
03:56:01JdGordonwe'll die quicker if we dont eat
03:56:03sharpeoh noes
03:56:04Galoisthose bad habits are not related to diet, at least not to the degree that vegetarians insist
03:56:11sharpereligion and eating habits do not mix...
03:56:31GaloisI agree that it would benefit the environment if we ate _less_ meat, but to abstain from meat brings the discussion far out of the range of relevance to environmentalism
03:56:37AghasterYou can't deny eating vegetarian takes less resources
03:56:42Aghasterjust google it, you'll get the facts
03:56:54Galoisagain, the difference between a little meat and no meat is absolutely nil in environmental terms
03:56:57AghasterWell, have i said you needed to completely abstain from it?
03:57:07JdGordonyes you can, you need much more land to grow enough rice for the wolrd than you would to gro enough cows
03:57:09GaloisI am fine with low meat diets, I just get upset at people who insist on total abstinence
03:57:18AghasterI chose to do. you aren't obliged to adopt my ideas
03:57:43*JdGordon has an exam in 2hours, shuold rob go get dressed
03:57:46JdGordoncyaz all
03:58:22XavierGrJdGordon: bye and good luck
03:58:44Galoisfishing is another example ... yes the problems of overfishing are well known, but the solution here is to adopt sustainable fishing practices, not to refrain entirely from fishing for the entire remainder of all time
03:58:53XavierGrAghaster: You should try to eat meat once in a while, actually it is very healthy.
03:59:07AghasterWell, the meat industry wants you to believe that
03:59:15AghasterOf course, they want to sell you their products.
03:59:20XavierGrno, the doctors say that.
03:59:30AghasterI am one who does not believe what the majority of the people believe
03:59:41Galoismodern industrial meat is probably not of net health benefit
03:59:42XavierGrThis has nothing to do with majority
03:59:52AghasterTherefore, the entire world around me will try to convince me i'm wrong :P
04:00:01AghasterOf course, it is
04:00:03XavierGrcomplete luck of meat is unhealthy
04:00:14Galoiscomplete lack of animal products is unhealthy
04:00:17AghasterIf you were born vegetarian in a vegetarian world, you would be saying the exact contrary
04:00:17Paul_The_NerdAghaster: Mankind is an omnivore. By definition it is unnatural for us, as a species, to avoid meat altogether, just as it is unnatural for us to subsist solely on it.
04:00:20Galoisyou can probably get by without meat
04:00:47AghasterPau: I'd say human beings are vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivore diet more than the contrary
04:00:51XavierGrbut you can get without veges too :p
04:00:57GaloisPaul_The_Nerd I totally agree that vegetarianism is unnatural, but also feeding cows on corn and various other oil-based meat raising practices used in industry today are unnatural
04:01:12AghasterXavier: I'd like to see that, and see how long you would last without an heart attack
04:01:14XavierGrgalois: exavtly
04:01:19Paul_The_NerdAghaster: Under what basis do you have that we're naturally vegetarian? We evolved from scavenger carnivores according to most evidence.
04:01:40XavierGrAghaster: yes that is truth, but both scenarios are extreme and should be avoided
04:01:50XavierGrtruth= true
04:01:50Paul_The_NerdGalois: And I never said that's not unnatural.
04:02:16Galoisthere is overwhelming palentological and archaeological evidence that biologically man is carnivorous
04:02:38XavierGrGalois: some say the opposite though
04:02:41AghasterFirst, i'd like to see you eat meat like animals do. We have so good teeth to cut the meat without a knife and a fork... Second: Our intestines aren't those of a carnivore, if you get constipated the meat stays too long in it and starts creating toxins
04:03:11Galoisearlier ancestors of men did have good teeth
04:03:25AghasterWell, as far as i know, we aren't our ancestors
04:03:29Galoisintestines is hard to argue because they don't tend to survive in fossils
04:03:29Aghasterwe are modern humans
04:03:46XavierGrthat's why neandertal had his low jaw way further than the upper.
04:03:47GaloisI believe the argument here involves what we were in the past
04:04:01Galoisthe claim is that, historically, man is carnivorous
04:04:15Aghastercarnivorous means we eat meat only
04:04:20Aghasterwell, doing that will kill you
04:04:30Aghasterand that's a fact.
04:04:41Galoishistorically, man had lower lifespans than today
04:04:55Galoisso, yes, I agree, it will kill you, but it won't kill you fast enough that you can't reproduce
04:04:59AghasterAnd historically, men used to eat less meat than we do today :P
04:05:17Galoisdepends on what time scale you're talking here
04:05:19XavierGrthere must be a balance between those two
04:05:22Aghasterits with the arrival of industrialisation that we started to produce that much and to eat that much meat
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04:05:37Galoisagriculture is arguably as abrupt a disruption as industrialization
04:05:40Aghasterand with that increase came the increase of diseases like obesity and heart disease
04:05:46XavierGrAghaster: that's why the life span has increased so much though
04:05:52Paul_The_Ner1Aghaster: I said we evolved from carnivore scavengers. They actually tended to eat less than fresh meat, and break open bones for the fatty marrow inside. We are now omnivores, which means our diet should subsist of both substances. If you'd like to compare to some of our close relatives, animals like chimpanzees and other apes tend to eat a variety of insects as well as fruits, again omnivorous.
04:05:56Galoisyou're being very crafty to choose a timeframe that falls after agriculture but before industrialization
04:05:59GaloisI reject this deviousness
04:06:23Paul_The_Ner1Even the earliest cave drawings show mankind *hunting* rather than farming.
04:06:43XavierGranyway there is no point to argue about it. This kind of discussion gets perpetual even between scientists
04:06:53AghasterPeople tend to forget that the fact that something's been done for a long time is never an argument for continuing it
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04:07:10Paul_The_NerdAghaster: But I'm not arguing to continue it
04:07:17Paul_The_NerdAll I was stating was that we as a species are omnivorous.
04:07:26Aghasteryeah, we can see it like that
04:07:27Aghasteri agree
04:07:33Paul_The_NerdYou didn't earlier
04:07:48AghasterI said we were vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivorous diet
04:07:55Galoiswe are not vegetarians
04:08:03AghasterIt depends on how you see it :P
04:08:16Paul_The_NerdYou said "'I'd say human beings are vegetarians that can adapt to an omnivore diet more than the contrary"
04:08:19Aghasterdon't take what i say as the absolute truth, because its not. and what you say isn't either
04:08:24Paul_The_NerdWhich very clearly covers a disagreement with my statement
04:08:46Galoisthe adaptation, if anything, was completely the other way around. The only way you could see it your way is if you start counting from your very carefully chosen point in time after agriculture and before industrialization
04:08:49AghasterI agree with the fact that you see it like that
04:08:58Aghasterand i perfectly understand you
04:09:03Aghasterthat's what i want you to understand
04:09:17AghasterYou know, i wasn't born vegetarian. I had the chance to see both sides
04:09:31Paul_The_NerdBut as an animal you're still *capable* of eating meat
04:09:40Paul_The_NerdBy definition you're an omnivore who lives contrary to his nature.
04:10:05GaloisI do support the view that the modern meat packing industry is wholly unnatural and should be abolished, which seems to be your main complaint about meat
04:10:17AghasterBut that's still a question that cannot be answered: Is it natural or not?
04:10:38AghasterYou have to see my opinion as based on many arguments, not on only one.
04:10:49AghasterWhen one of them fails to justify everything, the others do
04:10:53Paul_The_NerdDefine "Natural"
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04:11:05AghasterThat's what i say, how can we define what's natural?
04:11:07Paul_The_NerdNatural is "Not artificial"
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04:11:20Galoisit gets very hard to define
04:11:22AghasterWhat's natural is what we consider being normal, in the normal order of things
04:11:30sharpewell, that's... odd.
04:11:37Paul_The_NerdNo, natural and normal are two different things.
04:11:39Galoistechnically, humans are a product of nature, so man-made things are in a way "natural"
04:11:52AghasterWell, if you ask me what's natural for me, it obviously won't be the same definition as you
04:12:05AghasterTherefore, something "natural" is simply a question of personal opinion
04:12:25Paul_The_NerdLet me ask, before you could rationalize not doing so, did you eat meat?
04:12:30Paul_The_NerdInstinctually, you did.
04:12:46Galoishowever, regardless of the precise definition, it's clear to me that humans naturally eat meat
04:12:48AghasterI did not by instinct
04:12:55AghasterI did because my parents raised me that way
04:13:10Paul_The_NerdYou think that all human meat eating is from training from prior generations?
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04:13:36AghasterYes, of course. A baby cannot decide to eat meat by himself, someone has to teach him
04:13:57AghasterThe little kid won't get in the woods and kill an animal by instinct, someone had to show him he could do that
04:13:58XavierGrAghaster: try to teach a sheep to eat meat
04:14:09AghasterHe isn't made for that
04:14:15Paul_The_NerdYet clearly we are.
04:14:17AghasterBut we are talking about humans
04:14:19Paul_The_NerdTherefor it's natural.
04:14:23Aghasterno, its not
04:14:25XavierGrthat's why humans are classified as iomnivore
04:14:26Paul_The_NerdTry teaching a lion not to eat meat.
04:14:32AghasterWhat about if we you raised vegetarian?
04:14:38Paul_The_NerdI could still chose to eat meat, right?
04:14:52AghasterYeah, its a choice
04:14:58Aghasteryou can or you can choose not to
04:15:07Paul_The_NerdWhich means clearly we are physically capable of both.
04:15:13Galoisyou can choose not to eat vegetables too, what's your point?
04:15:13Paul_The_NerdWhich means eating meat, AND not eating meat is natural.
04:15:18AghasterWe are capable. that doesn't mean we should
04:15:25Paul_The_NerdWhich means, by the definition of the word "omnivore" we are so.
04:15:32AghasterYou know, i have the ability to take a gun and kill people in the street
04:15:41Aghasteris that an argument to say i should do that?
04:15:49Paul_The_NerdBut guess what
04:15:50AghasterWell, same for eating meat.
04:15:56Paul_The_NerdUntil you train a kid not to, he will act aggressively to other kids.
04:16:03AghasterThat's not because you are able to that its good
04:16:09Paul_The_NerdUntil you teach a kid not to hit other kids, he will do so.
04:16:21Paul_The_NerdSo, naturally, mankind is aggressive and even warlike.
04:16:30AghasterYeah, well will a kid ask to eat meat while he doesn't know what it is?
04:16:30Paul_The_NerdBut, in normal society, he isn't.
04:16:39Paul_The_NerdWill he ask to eat veggies?
04:16:40Aghasteri'd like to see that. it would be an interesting experiment
04:16:41Paul_The_NerdHe will ask for FOOD
04:16:51AghasterYeah, and that's where we need to define food
04:16:53Paul_The_NerdIf a kid has never heard of a vegetable, he of course can't ask for it.
04:16:57Paul_The_NerdSame with meat.
04:17:03Paul_The_NerdSo, that argument lacks *any* logical validity.
04:17:10AghasterBut will he act strangely because he never ate it?
04:17:21Paul_The_NerdI dunno, most kids I know don't want the vegetables
04:17:25AghasterWill he become aggressive because he never tasted meat? i doubt so
04:17:29Paul_The_NerdChicken Nuggets == Good, Broccoli == Bad
04:17:41Paul_The_NerdWhat does aggressiveness have to do with it at all?
04:17:44Galoisthere are entire cultures where vegetarianism is the norm
04:17:56Paul_The_NerdAnd there's nothing wrong with that
04:18:01Aghasterand for these people, this is just the way nature goes.
04:18:07Paul_The_NerdMy only point is that you have yet to present a sound argument that humanity is herbivorous.
04:18:07Galoisbut, to say that humanity as a whole behaves that way, is utter nonsense
04:18:26Paul_The_NerdHerbivores that unnaturally choose to eat meat.
04:18:30Galoisthere is a real quantifiable difference between humans and true vegetarians like cows
04:18:32AghasterWell, if humanity chose that way we would have far less pollution in the world
04:18:41Galoisyou're confusing two issues now
04:18:53AghasterNo, i'm not
04:18:55Galoiswe're arguing whether humans are omnivorous. Whether or not that's good is a separate debate.
04:18:55Paul_The_NerdAghaster: Suggestion 1: Take a logic class, or if you've taken one, stop and apply what you've learned.
04:19:10Paul_The_NerdI have never once suggested that eating meat is BETTER, simply that humans naturally do so.
04:19:36AghasterAnd that's where i stop you, were we cannot agree on what's being natural
04:19:40Aghasteri told you earlier.
04:19:46Galoishumans are naturally omnivorous. That doesn't automatically mean it's a good thing to be omnivorous. (I think it is, but I recognize the other side of the argument)
04:19:56Galoishumans are also naturally warmongering, which is clearly not good
04:20:38AghasterSee it as you want, i'm not here to convince you
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04:20:52Paul_The_NerdAghaster: I suppose the only way to determine whether we are or aren't would be to raise 20 kids without human interference, and present them with food of varying sorts, never telling them which is meat and which isn't, and see which they choose to eat. Any bets?
04:21:17AghasterI'd bet some kids would try eat, because they would be curious
04:21:23Aghasterwho wouldn't?
04:21:28Paul_The_NerdAnd do you think they'd continue eating the meat?
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04:21:41Paul_The_NerdBecause a herbivore wouldn't eat the meat. Period.
04:21:42GaloisI know people who come from vegetarian cultures, who now eat meat (in violation of their parents' religion I might add)
04:22:02XavierGrfor me omnivore = the organism that can consume both meath and vegetables. (even if one of them can cause some damage if over consumed)
04:22:20AghasterIn my case, it was my personal decision, and i am alone in my family to be like that
04:22:42AghasterThe important is to know why you do something.
04:22:48XavierGrIn my case I can say that I dislike vegetables.
04:22:49Galoiscats will eat vegetables if they are hungry enough, but I consider cats carnivores
04:22:59XavierGrGalois: really?
04:23:04Aghasteryeah, cats naturally eat other animals
04:23:08XavierGrCats can eat vegetables?
04:23:19Galoiswell, that's not so surprising. Humans will eat grass and all sorts of harmful things if they get hungry enough
04:23:29Galoiscardboard, glue, etc.
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04:23:52Aghasterall sorts of things ;)
04:24:18XavierGrI have never encountered a cat that can eat veges though
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04:24:31GaloisI was in india a few weeks ago, there were cats eating _rice_ there
04:24:52XavierGrwow, must have been "hungry"
04:26:54XavierGrI consume a lot of meat and too litle vegetables.
04:27:07AghasterWell, of course, this debate is a never ending one. I have so much arguments in mind (Yup, I often debate that, people are often debating that with me when they learn it, so i know lots of arguments hehe)
04:27:27XavierGrMaybe I will die of heart attack on my 60
04:27:34AghasterBut i think something we can all agree on is that industrialised farming is not going the natural way
04:27:51Aghasterand that in our society we eat too much of it, at least compared to our past
04:27:58Aghasterand this leads to health problems.
04:27:59GaloisI would certainly agree that the modern industrial production of _cheap_ meat is bad for both health and environment
04:28:15XavierGrlucky me I live in Crete :p
04:28:25XavierGrwe have good meat here.
04:28:26AghasterYeah, and that's a good reason to reduce meat consumption, or if you are really convinced like me, to go vegetarian
04:28:35XavierGrno, no way
04:28:38AghasterBecause i my case it goes further than just that
04:28:47XavierGrI can't deny the joys of the flesh
04:28:56TypoboyBetter idea: everything with moderation
04:28:58AghasterHave i said you had to?
04:29:03Galoisin the US meat is basically made from oil
04:29:18AghasterNever take my arguments as obligations
04:29:26Aghasterthey are there for you to take or to ignore
04:29:40Galoisthe whole infrastructure relies on cheap petroleum
04:29:40XavierGrWell my grandmother sends us a rooster that she raised once in a while. I know it is good.
04:30:07AghasterWell, that was a good discussion guys, but now i need to go to sleep. I have a physics exam tomorrow
04:30:14XavierGrand eggs too.
04:30:16Galoisdown to the fertilizing of the corn kernels that they use as the primary feed for the cows
04:30:24Aghastergood night
04:30:25XavierGrbye Aghaster and good luck.
04:30:46Paul_The_NerdGalois: The interesting thing is that a quite good diesel alternative comes from soybeans.
04:30:56XavierGrAghaster: Next time I will eat a stake I will make sure to remeber you :p
04:31:11Aghasteryeah, people often think of me when they do
04:31:16Aghasterand they tell me after
04:31:38Aghaster"hey i hate a gooooooood steak and i thought of you, isn't it so tasty?"
04:31:44GaloisI'm concerned that current methods of biodiesel production are not profitable, and I don't mean financially profitable, I mean I am worried that it actually takes more than a gallon worth of oil to make a gallon of biodiesel
04:32:00Aghasterwell, if they can have fun... then they can. It doesn't bother me
04:32:09Galoisbecause, large scale farming in this country is currently done with petrochemical fertilizer
04:32:23Paul_The_NerdGalois: Yes, but that method can change.
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04:32:39Galoisyes, it sure can, but then will it scale up to automotive needs? I don't know
04:32:44Paul_The_NerdI mean, there's no question that we WILL run out of petrochemicals eventually.
04:32:56Paul_The_NerdSo, it has to be solved.
04:33:29Paul_The_NerdUnfortunately, too many people seem to be in no hurry to do so.
04:33:30XavierGrsomeone said to me, mankind is so stupid to burn oil for fuel while from this we can construct so many things.
04:33:47Paul_The_NerdAnd people working for oil companies see it as *serving society* to provide oil and gas.
04:35:24Galoisif we abolished federal farm subsidies, then it would be clear just from the market price how much oil input a gallon of biofuels requires, but ... that's never going to happen. Farm subsidies are immortal.
04:36:15Paul_The_NerdAh well.
04:36:24Paul_The_NerdLots of debate to be had on this.
04:36:31Paul_The_NerdBut back to work on stuff I have to get done.
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04:59:42EbErTcan someone give me advice on getting m3u's to work?
04:59:51EbErTis there a certain place the m3u's should be put?
05:00:26Paul_The_NerdAre you having a problem with them?
05:00:55EbErTyes, it says [error] next to the song
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05:01:13EbErTits probably not finding them
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05:01:26Paul_The_NerdHow are you creating the M3Us?
05:01:48EbErTfrom an itunes playlist with the same songs in it
05:01:54Paul_The_NerdGenerally speaking, you should copy the files to the device, point whatever software you're using to make them at the copies on the unit, then save the M3U to wherever you want it.
05:02:04Paul_The_NerdThe iTunes playlist probably points to the copies on your computer
05:02:18Paul_The_NerdRemember, iTunes renames the songs on the player, so the playlist will be looking for differently named files in different locations.
05:02:40EbErTthose songs on the player were all renamed by itunes
05:02:47EbErTbut you are probably right, that's why its not working
05:03:21EbErTi just found a really cool software that generates playlists in itunes, a shame m3u's from them won't work. its called mobster
05:03:38Paul_The_NerdWell, the playlist in iTunes will be entirely based on your on-computer files normally
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05:03:59Paul_The_NerdYou do know that you can create playlists on the iPod in Rockbox, right?
05:04:30EbErTyes. but that just picks them out one at a time, right
05:05:07Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
05:05:17EbErTmy problem is, tagcache doesn't work either. so I basically am just listening to my whole collection either shuffled or alphabetical
05:05:49EbErTyou have to select a song one at a time and say "add to playlist"
05:06:05Paul_The_NerdGenerally, yes. But then you save the playlist and you can reuse it.
05:06:16Paul_The_NerdAlso, what problem are you having with tagcache?
05:06:23Paul_The_NerdAnd why not copy the files over properly, rather than using iTunes?
05:06:41EbErToh, i have some messed up tags or corrupted files
05:07:02EbErTi've found some of them, but a couple are making it freeze while its loading the cache
05:07:23EbErTi know they are working on code to either skip bad ones, or generate a document telling which ones it couldn't handle
05:08:06EbErTwhat do you mean copying with itunes? i copy the files from a folder, but all of those songs were originally in itunes, which renamed them to only show the song name
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05:09:19Paul_The_NerdWell, then the copies of the songs that are on your player aren't even in iTunes, are they?
05:09:33Paul_The_NerdWhy not use another simple music player to create an M3U based off the copies on your player?
05:09:46Paul_The_NerdMany music players support M3U
05:11:00EbErTyes, i've got an exact duplicate of all the files on my external harddrive. but using m3u's from that over to the player doesn't work, as i've tried heh
05:11:21Paul_The_NerdThat's not what I said to do.
05:11:39EbErTyou mean load my songs on the player into another simple music player, then create m3u's from them
05:11:45EbErTyes, i know
05:12:00Paul_The_NerdSo, why not do that?
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05:12:34EbErThaven't searched around for a good one on mac, and i kinda want an automatic playlist creator that works too
05:12:38EbErTlike the one i found for itunes
05:13:26EbErTfrankly, i dunno if there is a really good music player for mac
05:13:33EbErTa weakness
05:14:08EbErTwell, you put in one artist that you have in your collection, and it creates a playlists containing them and other similar ones
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05:14:15EbErTbased on genre, other things
05:14:23Paul_The_NerdOther things?
05:14:37EbErTalso has an online database to tell you similar artists you don't have, really neat
05:15:11Paul_The_NerdWell, for the moment you could simply organize your filetree by Genre\Artist\Album\Title.format
05:15:33Paul_The_NerdThen you could play a whole genre, or simply all of one artist's songs within it, or simply one album
05:16:03EbErTwith it only displaying the song name in folder view?
05:16:09Mikachuwhat do you do when an album has songs from different genres?
05:16:44EbErTyou mean from the id3 tags
05:16:54Paul_The_NerdI mean that you organize the songs in folders
05:17:01Paul_The_NerdBased on what you've put in the tags
05:17:05Paul_The_NerdProbably using a mass tag&rename tool
05:17:18EbErTya, i've tried that, but it did shortcuts to the actual songs
05:17:30Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Well, there are two solutions. One, drop the genre, or two, create playlists for split albums that contain all songs from the multiple genre sections of that album.
05:17:41EbErTyes, i could do that, but then have a massive amount of folders :o
05:17:41Paul_The_NerdEbErT: Then you used a really really horrible program
05:17:52Paul_The_NerdWhy is it bad to have alot of folders?
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05:18:10EbErTno, the program can also copy over the song to the folder, don't think it will MOVE it there tho
05:18:31EbErTwell, i can't scroll through a lot of songs at once
05:18:38EbErTand shuffle, although that's not a big deal
05:18:48Paul_The_Nerd1) Have it copy the songs from your PC to valid folders on your iPod
05:18:54Paul_The_Nerd2) You can shuffle all.
05:19:04Paul_The_Nerd3) Why do you need all the songs in a single list?
05:19:07EbErTeven in folders? didn't konw that
05:19:19Paul_The_NerdIf you want all the songs in one list, create a playlist of all songs, then scroll through it, anyway.
05:19:22EbErT(for #2)
05:19:26Paul_The_NerdYou can quick create playlists from folders
05:19:34Paul_The_NerdPut all the subfolders within one folder called music
05:19:41Paul_The_NerdInsert Music into the playlist, and you get one with all songs.
05:20:32EbErToh, so it will read everything in subfolders
05:20:48Paul_The_NerdIf you enable "Recursively insert subdirectories" then yes.
05:20:52Paul_The_NerdIt's all in the manual...
05:20:55EbErTwow. i haven't done much with m3u creation
05:21:52EbErTi don't think i would have understood or thought of that as a solution by looking in the manual, so thx for helping anyway
05:22:35EbErTi really wish tagcache was more crashproof, hoping some headway is made on that
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05:22:54Paul_The_NerdWell, the simple solution is to have valid files.
05:23:12Paul_The_NerdReally, if you created all the files yourself, there's no reason they'd be invalid. ;)
05:23:17EbErTyeah, in a perfect world :)
05:23:39EbErTsome i got off the oollld napster
05:23:47EbErTjust a few tho
05:24:37Paul_The_NerdWell, odds are good those are your culprits.
05:25:12EbErTyou know of an ingenious way to look for invalid files? the massive tag&rename tool fished out some it couldn't handle
05:25:41EbErTsome that were bad were off of a streaming radio, where i recorded them with a program that auto named them
05:25:59EbErTso who knows all the ones that are bad
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05:27:11Paul_The_NerdWell, one solution is this:
05:27:16Paul_The_NerdStep 1: Tag and rename.
05:27:19Paul_The_NerdStep 2: Delete all tags
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05:27:25Paul_The_NerdStep 3: Retag from folders
05:27:43Paul_The_NerdMost automated renaming programs can also generate the tags from the folder structure.
05:27:57Paul_The_NerdSo make sure to include all the important tags to you somewhere in the structure you tell it to delete.
05:28:01Paul_The_Nerdcreate rather, not delete
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05:29:05dongsStep 4: Profit!
05:30:07EbErTtag and rename?
05:30:35Paul_The_NerdWell, "rename from tags" really
05:30:38EbErTthat's a smidge too brief for me to get
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05:30:53dongsi got a better idea, though most of you would probably not agree with it
05:31:03dongsmy suggestion is: dont pirate music, please! artists deserve to get paid!
05:31:16Paul_The_NerdI'd have to agree with that.
05:31:58scorchedongs: how do you know that all of the songs werent ripped off of CDs that were purchased by him hmm?
05:31:59EbErTwell, a lot of them were from free streaming noncommercial music, so it could happen to nonpirators
05:32:09dongsscorche: if they were, he would have tagged them properly.
05:32:11Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Because he admitted to downloading some via napster.
05:32:19EbErTyep heh
05:32:20dongs(or that)
05:32:32dongsisnt napster legal now?
05:32:38scorcheit is
05:32:43EbErTyou have to pay now
05:32:45Paul_The_Nerddongs: Yes, but this was the old napster. With the non-DRMed music
05:32:53EbErTi used the really old napster
05:32:53dongsoh, new one is drm'd?
05:33:03Paul_The_NerdIt's the whole PlaysForSure windows crap.
05:33:18Paul_The_NerdI'm not a fan of music rental services.
05:33:37Paul_The_NerdI'd much rather just buy a CD, or buy it from a legal site that lets me actually own my copy of the music.
05:34:46EbErTso the only thing tagcache could get stuck on file-wise is messed up tags, not anything else
05:35:11Paul_The_NerdNo, there are other things.
05:35:23Paul_The_NerdIf you have over 9950 files (or 10,000, not really sure) that can cause problems
05:35:34Paul_The_NerdLarge album art, while valid, has caused problems in the past, and may still.
05:35:59Paul_The_NerdAs well, valid MP4/M4A/AAC files may cause problems because our support for them is sketchy.
05:36:06Paul_The_NerdAnd of course, bugs and unforseen circumstances.
05:36:41EbErTdon't have over 10thou (although some are really long), no album art
05:36:53EbErTaac might be the cause too
05:37:39EbErTbah, i'm jealous of those people who can get 8000 songs successfully cached :/
05:38:00dongslol @ anyone who has 8000 songs and knows what they are
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05:38:21dongsi think last time i actually played music on my nano instead of playing bubbles was weeks ago
05:38:21scorchei do
05:38:23EbErTheh, someone said that they had no problem with that many the other day
05:38:29EbErTprobably u scorche heh
05:38:34scorcheit wasnt me
05:38:44scorchebut i think i am up to around 11000
05:39:07EbErTis all of it gotten from legal ways?!
05:39:25*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
05:39:41EbErTcd's really don't have enough songs on them for people nowadays
05:39:44dongssee what I mean? opensource promotes piracy
05:39:55Paul_The_NerdHow the hell do you make that connection?
05:39:58EbErTbut then again, which artists can make even that many quality songs
05:40:01scorchewtf dongs?
05:40:32dongswell you see rockbox is opensource - user pirates songs - listens to them on rockbox mp3 player - opensource promotes piracy
05:40:49EbErTartists are going to have to look into doing more shows for profit instead of from cd sales
05:41:02Paul_The_Nerddongs: Because of course they weren't listening to them on closed-source firmware FIRST.
05:41:04EbErTmaybe take the outrageous prices down
05:41:05scorcheuh....i can listen to that many on retail os as well...
05:41:30dongsPaul_The_Nerd: of course not :P
05:42:12*Paul_The_Nerd sighs again.
05:42:28EbErTdon't be sad paul, get glad
05:45:25Paul_The_NerdUnrelated, anyone in here know why the Bass and Treble settings defaulted to 6 each instead of 0 each on my Archos?
05:46:09EbErTanyone know why the clock on my ipod keeps resetting to 24hr time?
05:46:39scorcheEbErT: are you saving your settings to a config file?
05:46:58EbErTeverything else stays the same
05:47:58dongslevel 100 of bubbles is hard :(
05:48:03dongsthough 99 took me like 20 tries
05:48:10scorchewhy do people keep saying that/
05:48:11dongsis there anything after 100?
05:48:23scorcheit took me days on 99
05:48:28scorche100 i got first try
05:48:28dongsk i guess im almost there then
05:48:33scorche....both times i tried it
05:48:39dongsmaybe i'll attack it tomorrow morning
05:48:49Paul_The_NerdEbErT: Any consistency to when it happens? Like, say, after you plug into the Mac, or after booting into Apple firmware, or something?
05:48:54scorcheand i beat it on archos too =D
05:49:37EbErTnot that i know of Paul_The_Nerd , i'll look into it more
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06:04:24EbErTi think i'm losing battery life on the ipod when its plugged in
06:06:45Paul_The_NerdIn Rockbox that happens...
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06:07:52earHertzanyone here?
06:14:05Paul_The_NerdIs there a question outstanding, or was it a general query as to the presence of people?
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06:14:19earHertzum, I posted it to the mailing list
06:14:40earHertzThe patch tracker seems to give (or Firefox assumes) the mime type of the link to a patch (e.g., is application/octet-stream. This means that Firefox insists that the file be downloaded or a handler program be specified, and worse, refuses to allow a particular handler to set as the default handler for the type.
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06:15:37finikI have a question then :) is there a way to disable auto backlight off when ipod is connected to car charger or should I look in the code to patch it myself?
06:16:06Paul_The_Nerdfinik: *Right* next to the backlight time setting is one for when it's connected to power.
06:16:22finikcool, thanks :)
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06:17:05Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Oddly enough not all patches do that even, if I recall.
06:18:06earHertzyeah, I think I encoutered that myself. I put it off to my browsing from my vm.
06:18:33Paul_The_NerdIt may be dependent on the uploader, but I could be wrong.
06:18:36earHertzI really wish more patches included descriptins of exactly how they work
06:19:28Paul_The_NerdIt would be nice.
06:20:50Paul_The_NerdI wish people wouldn't say things like "I just installed the latest build, rockbox-<date from 5 days ago>.zip, and <bug fixed yesterday> keeps happening to me." in posts dated so that the 5 days ago is relative to the post.
06:21:17earHertzthat's inevitable, i think
06:21:19Paul_The_NerdI always find myself wondering if somehow the get a horribly old cached version of the daily build page, or if they're downloading from somewhere unofficial.
06:21:41Paul_The_NerdI mean, the statement "latest" seems contradictory with a file dated 5 days before they posted.
06:22:19earHertzyeah, but they assume the bug hasn't been fixed rather than go tot teh troubkle of dling and installing teh very latest
06:22:53Paul_The_NerdThen why even try to claim it's the latest.
06:22:56Paul_The_NerdI dunno. User woes.
06:23:22Paul_The_Nerd"I was installing, and got some error message, but kept on going anyway, and now it doesn't work." "So, what was the error message?" "I don't know, does it matter?"
06:24:30Paul_The_NerdPeople are so lucky the iPods are very hard to permanently disable.
06:24:58earHertzubness you plug em into the wall charger when running rockbox
06:26:17Paul_The_NerdTurns out that was a faulty adapter.
06:26:54Paul_The_NerdThe only thing that the continual reboot should be able to damage, realistically, is the HD since it's constantly spinning up and down.
06:27:19earHertzwhy's there a continual reboot, anywat?
06:27:20Paul_The_NerdBut I figured, maybe because it's shutting off and on constantly something more could've happened.
06:27:35Paul_The_NerdWell, Rockbox detects a USB insertion by whether there's USB power being delivered
06:27:49Paul_The_NerdSo, plugging into the wall triggers Rockbox to reboot into disk mode.
06:28:10Paul_The_NerdOf course, Disk Mode actually has a full USB driver, doesn't detect an actual USB connection, and when that happens it automatically reboots.
06:28:15Paul_The_NerdWhich then goes back to Rockbox.
06:28:27sharpeHey Everyone.
06:28:54Paul_The_NerdOf course, if you manually boot into Emergency Disk Mode, Retail firmware, or hold Menu in Rockbox, and plug in while at any of those three states you're fine
06:29:06earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: cool'
06:29:23Paul_The_NerdThough in Retail Firmware, if it enters deep sleep, then you enter the loop. But only if you've left it plugged into the wall long enough for it to enter deep sleep.
06:29:36Paul_The_NerdHe modified his Retail Firmware to enter deep sleep after 15 minutes.
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06:29:43Paul_The_NerdUsually it's over a day.
06:29:50earHertzhe modified the RETAIL Firmware??
06:29:59Paul_The_NerdIt's a string you can set somewhere
06:30:08earHertzeven so
06:30:19Paul_The_NerdWell the tool iPodWizard lets you theme it and such, I believe.
06:30:22earHertzthat's foolhardy
06:30:40Paul_The_NerdSo, while it *is* a valid problem with Rockbox (the continual reboot one) it's a much lower risk than he presented it.
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06:34:46sharpemaybe i should watch a movie.
06:35:12earHertzdownloas some porn
06:35:58sharpe... right. anyway...
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07:52:40mAl3Xhey all, i was just curious to hear what "the word" is on sandisk's player?
07:53:23mAl3Xthere was a flurry of news a little while back, and i guess i'm just curious to see if there's any actual hope, or if it was just a publicity stunt by sandisk?
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07:58:57Myst`I think they're sending players to someone from rockbox, not sure if they've arrived
07:59:06mAl3Xah, very cool
08:00:03mAl3Xand they've given you guys enough specs to get started?
08:00:49mAl3Xi've been keeping my eye on rockbox for a while now... it looks really cool
08:01:11Myst`I've got no idea, i'm idling in here for the same reason :) (news on sandisk/rockbox)
08:01:22mAl3Xi'm just kinda hoping that it will have enough features to replace my rio karma before my karma finally bites the big one :-P
08:01:30mAl3X"it" being rockbox
08:02:33mAl3Xmy biggest beef with your random DAP is the whole "terrible or non-existent ID3 database support"
08:02:51mAl3Xand if it has a good database, it has a terrible codec range
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08:24:27ravonum. My X5 won't turn on. It worked yesterday when I left work :/
08:24:36JdGordonweee... 2 down, 3 exams to go
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08:43:17Hamesi need help with my rockbox loader
08:43:25Hameswhen i try ipodpatcher 0 it says "drive is not an ipod"
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08:48:58B4gderaren't you supposed to try other numbers too?
08:49:05B4gderare you following the instructions?
08:49:47Hamesi put the 3 required files in one folder
08:51:11LinusNdid you try "ipodpatcher 1", "ipodpatcher 2" etc?
08:51:55Hameswell i figured to try to get ipodpatcher 0 working first. after i did that one it gave me the message about the drive not being an ipod so i decided not to do the other ones.
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08:52:35LinusNHames: that's not how it works
08:53:28LinusNthat number is the index number of the physical disk, assigned by windows
08:53:40Hamesso am i doing it properly?
08:53:57nesukunhmm does anyone know the full svn url to paste in my svn client?
08:53:58LinusNthe reason you try different numbers is because you don't know which number is assigned to your ipod
08:54:22LinusNso you try different ones until it finds the ipod
08:54:32B4gdernesukun: svn url to what?
08:54:37Hamesquestion. i can have ipod linux and rockbox loaded at the same time and be able to choose from my loader right?
08:54:44sharpeHames: yes.
08:55:06nesukunrockbox's svn
08:55:13B4gderrockbox uses cvs
08:55:22Hamesnow i get "error reading disk. the device is not ready" when i tried ipodpatcher 2
08:55:39nesukun-.- stupid nesukun
08:55:55sharpeHames: keep trying other numbers...
08:56:07nesukunnow I know why it didn't work
08:56:28Hamesok, i got it i think.
08:56:50Hamesit goes like this: "0 Empty, 1: Fat32, 2: Linux"
08:56:54Hamesdid I do it right?
08:57:30sharpewait, you already have ipodlinux installed?
08:57:48sharpedo you use loader2?
08:57:58*nesukun searching for a cvs client 4 mac
08:58:02sharpethen you don't need to install the rockbox bootloader.
08:58:11Hamesso what can i do?
08:58:17sharpegive me a moment,
09:00:01sharpetis what i'm here fore.
09:00:06sharpewithout the extra e
09:00:50Hamesso how would i go about doing this. i dont know how to name the firmware.
09:00:54*scorche ducks
09:01:36sharpeit would be just renaming the "rockbox.ipod" file
09:02:32Hamesexcuse my dumbassness, but is that the build?
09:02:51sharpeyes, it's in the file you've probably already downloaded.
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09:03:46Hamesi dont get the renaming part. its already called rockbox.ipod
09:05:14Hamesalright so i did the whole going into cmd and locatind rockbox.ipod. i dont see how that loads it.
09:06:20sharpeyou know. just try extracting the zip to the FAT formatted partition on your ipod, and then making sure the Loader2 settings have an entry for the rockbox.ipod file.
09:07:02sharpesee if that works. i've no idea, i don't use ipodlinux/Loader2.
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09:08:49Hameshey, this is totally seperate and has nothing to do with rockbox. but do you have anapod?
09:09:48Hamesbecause i'm having an especially hard time loading pictures onto my ipod without deleting the ones previously loaded (sync)
09:12:05Hamesanyone here have anapod?
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09:12:52nesukunI'm under Mac OS so... xD
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09:19:12ravonfriggin X5. Might as well get a new player that's "Rockbox certified" instead.
09:19:23LinusNwhat's wrong?
09:19:43sharpesounds like troubles!
09:19:44ravonUnplugged it and left work yesterday. Now it's dead as a dog.
09:19:54sharpedogs aren't dead...
09:19:59ravonDead ones are :(
09:20:00LinusNdead dogs are
09:20:18B4gder0xdead dogs?
09:20:22Hamesis it true if you let an ipod's battery die out the ipod stops working?
09:20:28ravonIt won't charge or get recognized by the computer, and it seems like this is a fairly common issue with the X5s.
09:20:28B4gderthat's many
09:20:33sharpeyeah, but in that case it could also be dead as a dead tree, a dead person, a dead fly, a dead bird...
09:20:33LinusNravon: so it doesn't react when you insert the charger?
09:20:37sharpeHames: no.
09:20:48LinusNravon: have you tried to reset it?
09:20:53ravonLinusN: nope. Though it's a 3V charger. I'll hook it up to a power cube instead.
09:20:58ravonLinusN: yea, the 30s trick?
09:21:27LinusNa 3v charger won't cut it
09:21:35LinusNyou need 5v
09:21:51Hameswhat's the best case i can get for my 5G ipod?
09:22:00sharpeHames: a cheap one. :)
09:22:20ravonActually, it's enough to indicate a charge on the LED. Don't know if it actually charges though.
09:22:25ravonBut I'll fix a 5v one
09:22:33LinusNravon: also, there is a reset button
09:24:17ravonThe one that requires a paper clip?
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09:36:21peturinteresting story this is:
09:37:51sharpegee. i should advertise things in my signature on the forums.
09:38:45sharpeeveryone does it :D
09:38:57sharpeactually, not really.
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09:39:59LinusNravon: yes, that one
09:40:12scorcheyou have the magical "rockbox expert" tag >_>
09:41:03scorchei want one O_O
09:41:15sharpescorche: ;)
09:42:18*scorche quietly sobs in the corner
09:43:20stripwaxCan anyone remember off the top of their heads how fast pacbox can run on H1x0 without the framelimiter?
09:43:40stripwaxIt's currently limited to 20fps afaict but seems to be able to run nearer 60fps
09:43:40sharpewhy would your ipod booting up when it has power be a feature of rockbox? :\
09:45:10B4gderaha, no wonder went quiet
09:45:19B4gder... they started a new subforum for rockbox ;-)
09:47:40sharpeB4gder: yay?
09:48:20B4gderit sure is fun to see rockbox users everywhere
09:50:08chendorockbox ftw.
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09:50:25chendowaiting eagerly for the patch to switch the USB thing off on rockbox
09:50:41sharpethe usb thing?
09:51:19LinusNi think he means the usb2go chip on the h300
09:51:28sharpeoh. right.
09:51:29PresenceI totally posted a "Congrats" reply to some random LiveJournal user today. Later, that entry had like "Who was that guy?" replies to my reply. :)
09:51:51sharpeLinusN: the one that seems to be sucking all that battery life?
09:52:06sharpei don't have an h300...
09:52:07*LinusN is drawing h300 schematics
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09:52:48sharpehey Linus, did i ever speak anything to you about the user-customizable bootloader i had the idea for?
09:52:49stripwaxsharpe - oh, that's where the juice is going? cool, glad its been identified
09:53:21chendoyeah, that 2go chip
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09:53:30chendoit's kinda useless since it's not 2.0
09:53:42sharpebecause i can't remember if you were one of the people present when i had talked about it.
09:53:51scorchei dont believe he was
09:54:03sharpeoh well.
09:54:03LinusNchendo: it's 2.0, otherwise it wouldn't be usb2go
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09:54:19chendothe OTG chip is 2.0?
09:54:20LinusNhowever, it's not high speed
09:54:26scorchesharpe: it was mostly just the slacker and i
09:54:29chendoi'm confused now.
09:54:32LinusNotg is part of the 2.0 standard
09:54:45sharpescorche: ah. oh well. i finished it, if you haven't heard me.
09:54:51chendowell it's useless cause it's full speed then ;x
09:54:57LinusNthere you go
09:54:59scorchei did ;)
09:55:09chendoit sucks cause i lost my USB host cable anyway
09:55:23chendolike, it could be interesting if i could plug a keyboard into my iriver or something.
09:55:30sharpei've been having weird happenings in my mind lately, so i do not remember who i've told...
09:56:12sharpeprobably because of my screwed up sleep schedule...
09:57:22peturLinusN: what's your opinion on removing the yields() in i2c-coldfire.c, the problem is that it causes the calls to take twice as long which causes longer glitches when changing recording gain on the fly
09:58:26*linuxstb just received an email from the manufacturer of the "Chinese MP3 player" (HI-X8) containing circuit diagrams.
09:58:34LinusNwell, i have no real problems with that
09:58:44LinusNlinuxstb: me too
09:58:55chendo'chinese mp3 player'
09:59:13chendowhy not taiwanese!
09:59:14sharpei don't like chinese food...
09:59:27sharpechendo: because it's only assembeled there :D
09:59:31B4gderchendo: you want us to ask them to move?
09:59:37LinusNunfortunately, we still lach datasheets for the cpu and otg chips...
09:59:37chendoyes please ;o
09:59:53peturthis one ->
10:00:02linuxstbLinusN: Odd, he must have sent separate emails - who else got them?
10:00:16scorchei should get myself out of my hole and do some work on that X8...
10:00:20LinusNlinuxstb: you, daniel and i
10:00:44sharpewhy not sharpe...?
10:01:45*B4gder digs up stuff from his spam folder...
10:02:34*sharpe knows why not sharpe... :(
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10:02:40sharpethat sounds really... weird.
10:03:19scorchesharpe: at least you have a "rockbox expert" mark =P
10:03:43B4gdersharpe: talk to Eric about it
10:03:52sharpescorche: :D
10:03:55sharpewho's eric?
10:04:12sharpethe dude with the diagrams and such.
10:07:48chendookay, this is weird.
10:07:57chendomy laptop changed MAC addresses.
10:08:14*B4gder pokes the rar package with a stick
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10:09:45linuxstbJust noticed the tlv320 codec in the circuit diagrams - isn't that the same as the iaudio X5?
10:10:01B4gdersounds familiar
10:11:19linuxstbThat's good news - the only thing I was concerned about was the audio quality. But hopefully it should sound similar to the X5...
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10:11:40preglowcircuit diagrams in the mail?
10:11:46sharpe! i can save 44% on symantec products...
10:11:55*B4gder got a package
10:12:04linuxstbA real package?
10:12:14Stepndoes tag cache support files with multiple genre tags?
10:12:15sharpethe one he's waited for, for days.
10:12:30B4gdernow let's see...
10:12:52*petur hears drum rolls
10:12:53linuxstbStepn: I don't think so.
10:12:56sharpewould be funny if it wasn't actually his...
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10:14:05linuxstbLinusN: Have you asked Eric about datasheets?
10:14:39LinusNthere are problems, since telechips and ali are nda-lovers
10:15:02B4gderas suspected, there's no docs in this package
10:15:34preglowno surprise
10:15:42linuxstbHow many players? (any players?)
10:15:43preglowthen perhaps they will mail them instead!
10:15:47B4gdertwo players
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10:15:53B4gderand e250 and e260
10:16:07B4gder2gb and 4gb
10:18:25linuxstbI'm definitely still interested in the HI-X8 though. I want a huge capacity player for Rockbox...
10:18:42scorchesame....besides archos
10:20:15sharpeshould i agree?
10:21:06sharpeanyone at all?
10:22:32sharpeno one?
10:22:38markunB4gder: did you get the FM versions?
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10:38:29Presencesomething kinda dumb I'm noticing about the 64 meg ipod patch: it takes FOR EVER for the codec buffer to fill from disc now.
10:39:04Presencelike, almost twice as long. imagine!
10:39:19linuxstbThere's a shock... :)
10:40:16sharpehmm... why could that be...
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10:44:21B4gdercharges over usb only
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10:44:59chendoin other news, i have set banana phone as my ringtone
10:46:08sharpeand in even more other news, i should've gone to sleep around six hours ago.
10:47:53sharpeand i wrong, in thinking that ipods will boot when they have external power?
10:47:57sharpeam. not and.
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10:52:52ashridahsharpe: the H3xx used to go into a power saving mode that resembled death when really low on charge
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10:55:50reddshackmy H340 did that very thing. It got low on power and wouldn't turn back on. I eventually had to take it apart and disconnect the battery.
10:57:35sharpei'm just not quite understanding him in his posts, by what he's talking about...
10:58:22B4gderthe player is surprisingly heavy
10:59:02sharpelike, brick-heavy?
10:59:20B4gderlike its only flash in there, where does the weight come from
11:00:03aliaskI wouldn't be supprised if they weighted it down a bit to make is seem less flimsy.
11:01:05sharpemarkun: that sounds... urgent...
11:02:11markunDon't know if rockbox is really what they want as the official firmware. Most buyers are more interested in slick menus then ogg vorbis for example
11:02:44linuxstbAnd DRM...
11:02:53sharpeand graphics
11:03:04markunand wma
11:03:07risottoWhat is the safest method to charge my ipod (4G)? Should I boot into Apple's OS and charge via that firewire thing you plug into wall socket?
11:03:11linuxstbAnd video...
11:03:21markunWe could go on all day :)
11:03:39sharperisotto: sure.
11:03:57aliaskWell, who are we to argue? If they want to add another player to rockbox's list, and are willing to pay money for it to happen, why wouldn't we at least give it a shot?
11:04:01B4gderdid I mention I dislike windows?
11:04:08linuxstbWhat's that?
11:04:11B4gderthe darned thing doesn't show up
11:04:17B4gderwhen I insert the usb cable
11:04:26linuxstbIs it supposed to be UMS?
11:04:30sharpeB4gder: maybe it's... not formatted?
11:04:35linuxstbTried it in Linux?
11:04:55peturgot a 'new hardware' messagebox?
11:05:07B4gderI only have my arm9 dev card here... but sure it has a usb port... hm, lemme see :-)
11:05:29risottoIs it possible to charge in Rockbox safely?
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11:05:37linuxstbrisotto: Lots of people do.
11:07:02risottoI just don't want to break my ipod =)
11:08:11linuxstbIf you're referring to the forum thread(s) about it - the original poster has stated his ipod was broken because of a faulty charger, and doesn't blame it on Rockbox.
11:09:33linuxstbBut of course, nothing about Rockbox is guaranteed. So if you're nervous, just use the Apple firmware. But afaik, no-one has reported any problems charging in Rockbox.
11:10:01risottook, I saw only that over heating thread and those rebooting threads
11:10:30sharpeblargle, i need to see if the customizable bootloader works on nanos, 4Gs, etc...
11:10:58linuxstbRebooting won't happen with firewire. It's just a USB problem, and is avoided by holding MENU when you insert the USB cable.
11:11:22risottoI'll use Apple OS to charge my ipod
11:11:43sharpethere's no reason why it shouldn't work, however the text position may be off...
11:12:28sharpenot like there's any interest in it at all though.
11:13:21*amiconn has a working basic isp1362 driver
11:13:46amiconnDidn't write the send-to-sleep sequence yet
11:14:08markunamiconn: nice work anyway
11:15:25*petur is interested :)
11:15:28sharpei should find a player that's able to upgrade it's firmware and start working on porting rockbox.
11:16:08peturamiconn: there's some code for that in the patch I've put in the wiki
11:16:44peturor did you start from that code?
11:17:07amiconnpetur: Nope. I started from scratch, and mainly used the various datasheets as information source
11:17:56LinusNamiconn: would be nice to see a patch, so i can measure the consumption
11:19:13amiconnLinusN: [11:13:46] <amiconn> Didn't write the send-to-sleep sequence yet <==
11:19:29peturwell hurry up then :)
11:19:33amiconnAlso, I can easily verify with my ir thermometer
11:19:34LinusNyes i know, but i'd like to see the consumption without the sleep
11:19:40sharpei'm going to sleep. bye everyone.
11:19:49LinusNnite sharpe
11:20:00amiconnLinusN: What do you expect to see? There shouldn't be a change
11:20:36amiconnBtw,. any news regarding the gpio pins I asked about yesterday?
11:20:39peturwell if you configure ports incorrectly you can have bigger currents leaking
11:20:44LinusNwell, if the consumption came from badly configured port pins, there should be a change
11:21:36amiconnLinusN: Also, did you find the time to check my modified ata timings?
11:21:43LinusNamiconn: did you check my updates to PortPinAssignments?
11:21:55LinusNamiconn: no, i haven't measured the ata timings
11:22:27amiconnI use the faster timings all the time. Didn't notice any problem so far
11:23:45LinusNthen commit it
11:25:44*amiconn somehow missed part of the PortPinAssigments updates
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11:28:41LinusNi have yet to trace the GPO38 and GPO39 pins
11:30:02amiconnWhat about where gpio53 actually goes to, and pcf50606 gpood3 ?
11:30:03*petur buys Linus a train ticket
11:30:33LinusNamiconn: i'm working on it, those two are tricky to trace, since there are a lot of passive components involved
11:30:57amiconnhmm, ok...
11:31:13amiconnWould surely be easier with schematics available...
11:31:24amiconn...from the manufacturer I mean
11:31:29LinusNoh yes
11:31:46LinusNi'll soon upload my first schematic drafts
11:31:52LinusNlunch time
11:32:16amiconnWe should put the debug interface to sleep as recommended in the coldfire datasheet
11:32:29amiconnI think thins would best be done in crt0 ?
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11:46:31chendoamiconn, you use dvorak?
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11:47:37shadouYAY RB 3.0!
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11:50:16amiconnchendo: What?
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11:56:32chendoamiconn, mm nevermind... thought you might use the dvorak layout or something if you typo a n near an s.
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11:58:37amiconnchendo: AH. No I have a german keyboard
11:58:50amiconnn is nowhere near s
11:58:58chendodon't mind me ;p
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12:04:19RoC_MMor not
12:04:36RoC_MMthe previous topic was set like a month and a half ago
12:05:12RoC_MMgood luck
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12:54:44B4gderyou have to select MSC mode in the settings menu
12:54:51B4gderfor USB
12:54:56B4gderit seems to default to MTP
12:54:59shadouback to coding rockbox 3.0 pls
12:55:03LinusNhaha, i just /msg'd you about it :-)
12:55:14*B4gder did the secret handover at lunch
12:55:15shadoui want new features, SMP on ipod nano
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12:55:23LinusNthe sansa is quite neat
12:55:23preglowshadou: then code it
12:55:38shadouI knew someone would say that
12:55:39preglowshadou: and why do you want that?
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12:55:42JdGordonthe sansa port is happening is it?
12:55:50LinusNJdGordon: don't count on it
12:55:57B4gderJdGordon: we have two players, not a port
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12:56:07JdGordonwell thhats a start..
12:56:20preglowi'd prefer specs and code to hardware
12:56:44LinusN...says the ipod hacker :-)
12:56:58preglowhaha, i didn't get this way by myself, you know
12:57:15preglownigths of gnashing teeth and tearing hair out does give you a certain urge for specs
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12:59:36amiconnpreglow: Whenever I try starting a track in the sim, I get a SIGFPE in the peakmeter code...
12:59:49preglowthe sim could need some improvement now
12:59:55preglowi've been trying to debug the audio error i get
12:59:59preglowbut gdb lies to me...
13:00:17JdGordondo hard disks on the same PATA channel wor at the speed of th slowest drive? i.e a brand new hdd will only work at udma33 if its with an old slow drive?
13:00:41TeaSeaHey guys, i'm trying to get pacman working on my X5.
13:00:46TeaSeaDo you need ALL the files listed on the wiki page?
13:01:04TeaSeaI only have the .6* ones.
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13:03:23RoC_MMJdGordon, not with independent device timing
13:03:31TeaSea[thundercloud] 12:06 [~] ls /media/iaudio/.rockbox/pacman
13:03:31TeaSeapacman.5e pacman.5f pacman.6e* pacman.6f* pacman.6h* pacman.6j*
13:03:35RoC_MMit's a feature most hardware controllers have?
13:03:36TeaSeaIs that all the shizzle I need?
13:04:37JdGordonRoC_MM: im on a cheap ecs motherboard not a pci controller..
13:04:44amiconnJdGordon: No, but you should still avoid running a fast and a slow device on one channel, at least if both devices are potentially accessed simultaneously
13:05:14LinusNamiconn: remove sector3d.bin
13:05:43LinusNbtw, it's a div-by-zero
13:06:07*JdGordon bbl
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13:06:30amiconnLinusN: yes I know. Do you think this is caused by the config sector?
13:06:38*amiconn wonders why this happens
13:07:05LinusNi'm not sure why it happens, maybe we have outgrown the 512 bytes?
13:07:25amiconnNot by far...
13:07:59LinusNremoving sector3d.bin helped for me, but the error came back
13:15:53amiconnSomething is obviously wrong with the peakmeter settings load if the settings sector is present
13:16:10amiconnpm_range and several other variable all all-zero
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13:22:54B4gdervery odd upgrade procedure
13:23:06B4gderwith a pc program that detects current version
13:23:10B4gderand starts the upgrade
13:23:25B4gderthe player said "writing" and then went back to "connected" and the PC program says "done"
13:23:48B4gderwhile in UMS mode
13:25:02B4gderit simply puts in somewhere
13:25:18B4gderbecause when I pulled the USB cable the unit itself says "upgrading" too
13:26:35peturSo the player saw that something was written while connected to the pc -> no bridge chip?
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13:27:27B4gderLinusN: it doesn't shut off the LCD
13:27:39B4gderits the way it looks without backlight
13:28:03*B4gder listens to music on the sansa e260
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13:28:37*amiconn would rather like a flash player with >=4GB and a monochrome display
13:29:04B4gderwell, these are available in 6GB and a micro-SD slot
13:29:07B4gderbut color
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13:30:19B4gderhow big micro-SD cards exist, anyone know?
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13:31:54B4gderyes i think so
13:32:01B4gdermarked "coming soon" on the site I just found
13:32:57B4gderbtw, the sansa has a cool UI feature
13:33:07B4gderthat both me and LinusN like
13:33:25B4gderwhen you have something playing, a song or radio...
13:33:45B4gderit has a little scroll at the bottom of all non-WPS screen saying "now playing: blablabla"
13:33:51LinusN"the wps scroller"
13:34:00crashdyou should incorporate that ;)
13:34:02LinusNreally neat
13:34:05amiconnStrange feature, imho
13:34:05B4gderwhile playing scroller
13:34:45*amiconn can't imagine what this should be good for
13:35:01LinusNto see what's playing when you're in a menu?
13:35:05crashdamiconn: you hate anything that has more than 2 colours or 2x10 displays
13:35:12*petur is not surprised by amiconn's reaction
13:35:12crashdthat doesnt suprise me ;)
13:36:19amiconnLinusN: I can hear what's playing... why would I need to see it all the time?
13:36:33crashdamiconn: why have a WP screen at all?
13:36:59amiconnTo see info about the playing song...
13:37:06preglowbut you already know what's playing
13:37:07crashdthere we go.
13:37:18amiconn...but I certainly don't need this info present all the time
13:37:37preglowi really don't need it at any time
13:37:38LinusNamiconn: very few features are *needed*
13:37:43preglowbut it's good to have
13:38:02peturcustomizable status bar(s)
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13:38:49amiconnI have 2 strong reasons against colour displays and no real reason *for* a colour display on a dap
13:39:17crashdim sure you do, but no one _needs_ to be able to fly to new york from london in 3 hours
13:39:17B4gderoh, fancy album art on the thing
13:39:27crashdor 1080p HD broadcasts
13:39:40B4gderpressing the center button in the WPS switch between modes
13:39:41preglowcrashd: this list is going to grow very long, you know
13:39:46crashdpreglow: hehe, i know
13:39:48B4gderone of them showing that AA in full screen
13:39:50crashdbut they are available
13:40:07crashdand just because you dont like them doesnt mean people dont want them
13:40:09crashdi guess.
13:40:16preglowthat being the gist of it, yes
13:40:25crashdso let's stop this negativity and just deal with it dude
13:40:41B4gder... in comparison my non-AA songs look boring in the WPS
13:40:59LinusNaa is nice
13:41:23preglowsure looks good, yes
13:41:34preglownudelyn: any progress on that nano green theme? :>
13:41:42crashdhmmm, that is such a sweet theme
13:41:46crashdpreglow: you looking for a nanon version?
13:41:58preglowsure am
13:42:34amiconncrashd: Sure these things exist, and there may be uses. Thing is, if I primarily want video, or a picture viewer, then a colour display makes sense.
13:42:52amiconnBut for a dap, or a cellphone, a colour display is only a waste of energy
13:43:24preglowcolour displays really don't use much more energy
13:43:38amiconnThey do... because you need a backlight to read them
13:43:55preglowi pretty much need that on b&w stuff too
13:43:59preglowunless i'm in the sun
13:44:09preglowlcd generally suck like that
13:44:21amiconnFor b&w you only need a backlight when it's really dark
13:45:01*B4gder falls off his chair
13:45:04amiconnThen, even without taking the backlight into account, a colour display means moving more data, and hence higher cpu load
13:45:08preglowmy nano's not half-bad anyway
13:45:11B4gderI found a song of my own with AA embedded
13:45:25preglowmy phone is notorious at being useless with or without light
13:45:42*B4gder scratches head
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13:46:05preglowB4gder: i blame the whisky
13:46:12*amiconn really liked his old cellphone much more.
13:46:19amiconnUnfortunately it broke...
13:48:03B4gderwhiskey sure can do the weirdest things ;-)
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13:50:24senabmorning people
13:50:54senabjust a quick question, how is replaygain calculated in rockbox?
13:50:57senabis it an eq?
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13:55:39markunsenab: it's not calculated by rockbox
13:56:23markunYou use a program like vorbisgain to do that and it stores some values in tags which can be used by rockbox to adjust the volume.
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13:57:37LinusNi like the sansa a lot
13:57:59JdGordonits nice is it?
13:58:05LinusNvery nice
13:58:18JdGordoni got a look at it when i was at jb last week, didnt ask to play with it tho
13:58:30JdGordon$277 or something for the 6gb model
13:58:30B4gder75 grams
13:58:35JdGordondamn, light!
13:58:40B4gderthe nano is 43, isn't it?
13:58:59JdGordonthe h300 is like 500, so anything less than that is amazing :D
13:59:15LinusNthe ui wheel has a kind of plastic touch, though
13:59:23B4gderthe H340 is 203 grams
13:59:55LinusNthe sansa doesn't turn off the lcd
13:59:55senabmarkun: i meant how does rockbox calculate how to adjust it's volume from the replaygain tags?
14:00:44amiconnB4gder: The nano doesn't have a radio, but the Ondio does - and the Ondio is only 60 grams
14:01:48preglowsenab: are there several ways?
14:01:56preglowsenab: you just apply the gain you're told to apply by the tags
14:02:08preglowLinusN: is the unit nice or the os?
14:02:09senabbut is it does an eq?
14:02:24LinusNpreglow: both, actually
14:02:26preglowsenab: it has an eq, but it's completely unrelated to replaygain. what makes you think replaygain needs an eq?
14:02:34preglowLinusN: what's nice about the os, then?
14:02:39senabtherefore post processing the waveform, or by simply adjusting the players volume
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14:02:54LinusNpreglow: nice looking, snappy gui
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14:03:42LinusNi haven't really tried to do anything advanced, so it might just suck on the advanced usability department
14:04:00preglowsenab: the only processing replaygain entails is adjusting overall volume
14:04:36senabpreglow: thats wat i thought, but i read on the forums that replygain lessens battery life
14:04:55senaband the only thing i could think of how it does that is if it's used as an EQ
14:05:36LinusNsenab: it still uses more cpu than without replaygain
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14:06:14senablinus: how? surely the only processing that needs to be done id when the file is opened?
14:06:36LinusNno, it applies the volume in the digital domain
14:06:47preglowwhen it's opened?
14:06:53preglowgain is applied all the time
14:06:59senabi know that
14:07:00preglowso it lessens battery somewhat
14:07:03preglowi refuse to believe by much
14:07:08preglowi'll optimise it some day anyway
14:07:48senabbut couldn't rockbox just open up the file, check the rg tag, then lower the volume of the player by the gain
14:08:14preglowwe could, but then we might bump into a replaygain tag we might not be able to use
14:08:14senabtherefore only using the same processing power as the user lowering the volume
14:08:24preglowif volume needs to be boosted, for instance
14:08:38preglowhardware volume has limits, software volume does not
14:08:46preglowthis way we don't need any special cases that need different handling
14:08:54LinusNalso, not all players have adjustable line-out volume
14:09:03preglowalso a good point
14:09:32senabso how does rockbox adjust volume on most players?
14:09:36senaba mix of soft + hard?
14:10:15LinusNvolume is always hard
14:10:57markunsenab: when I first implemented replaygain for my own rockbox build I used the hardware volume control
14:11:03senabok so replaygain is effectivly like an EQ in rockbox
14:11:11preglownot at all
14:11:22preglowan eq and a simple gain are two different things
14:11:26preglowby far
14:11:36preglowan eq is pretty complex, a gain is the simplest thing in the world
14:11:42senabwell these, i mean in the post processed audio sense
14:11:52preglowthey're both software based dsp, yes
14:11:58preglowin that sense they are similar
14:12:02senabi could think of the word, dsp
14:12:29preglowmost things in rockbox are software based
14:12:42preglowwith stuff like panning, volume, etc being exceptions
14:12:58preglowreplaygain, eq, crossfeed, stereo width are all software dsp based
14:13:16markunsenab: old patch:
14:14:12preglowB4gder: so it also has on-player db construction?
14:14:46senabmarkun, thats more of the approach i was thinking of
14:15:10preglowB4gder: what formats does it do, btw?
14:15:12B4gderand db mode is the only way of browsing
14:15:38XavierGrooh B4gder: nice!!!
14:15:40preglowbut go bother them about those docs!!1123
14:15:46B4gderI will
14:16:02markunsenab: did you check the difference in CPU usage with replaygain on and off?
14:16:16JdGordonusb only charging? must take a while to charge fully?
14:16:29senabyep, it's quite a bit actually
14:16:37markunhowmany %?
14:16:41preglowsenab: how much?
14:16:49senabroughly about 6%
14:16:51B4gderJdGordon: probably, yes
14:16:57preglowsenab: you mean boost ratio?
14:17:15senabi meant battery life
14:17:23preglowsounds pretty unlikely, if you ask me
14:17:32senabthats what it give me
14:17:46preglow6% for a feature that doesn't do anything but fetch memory and multiply it by a factor
14:17:56senabthats what i thought
14:18:06JdGordonnice page... they cant be all that serious about wanting rb if they dont give you the docs tho? maybe just some relativly cheap advertising on their part?
14:18:27senabbut my ipod's battery life seems to vary quite a bit anyway
14:18:33preglowoh, it's an ipod
14:18:38preglowwell, anyway
14:18:39preglowlike i said
14:18:43preglowi'll optimise it sooner or later
14:18:49senabok cheers
14:19:16preglowsome time after the feature freeze
14:19:36senabare u any closer to releasing 3.0|
14:19:49senabthats sansa looks nice by the way
14:20:29senabwhat the screen resolution b4dger?
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14:20:54B4gder220x 176
14:20:59preglowB4gder: format support?
14:21:03B4gderI don't know
14:21:19B4gderI'll have to check
14:21:22senabsolid state memory?
14:22:07B4gderflash, yes
14:22:55XavierGrWho is spamremover on the wiki?
14:23:12senabapparently it can play MP3 & WMA
14:23:52senab& WAVs
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14:25:08B4gderthe user manual doesn't mention WAB
14:25:17B4gder"The Sansa MP3 Player will support MP3, WMA, secure WMA."
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14:26:16preglowgenerous format choice
14:26:26markunXavierGr: aren't we all?
14:26:52XavierGrmarkun: SpamRemovers?
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14:31:09LinusNXavierGr: i deleted it
14:31:19Jungti1234I opened my E10!!
14:31:26JdGordonwell done
14:31:40RoC_MMgoing to wash my keyboard in the dishwasher
14:31:41JdGordonthat took a while.. how long u been trying for?
14:31:45markunJungti1234: congratulations!
14:31:52RoC_MMany thoughts?
14:32:30markunRoC_MM: good luck
14:32:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
14:33:09Jungti1234oh no..
14:33:42markunyou broke it?
14:34:15Jungti1234Very careful...
14:34:23Jungti1234But, dangerous.
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14:36:13Jungti1234I will take a picture.
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14:38:03Stepnhi, does anyone know why scrolling text in my wps is refreshing portions of images on the same x axis as the text? i am using the scrolling margins patch
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14:38:34Stepnwell not refreshing, its making those parts disappear
14:39:38JdGordonthe patch doesnt work 100% maybe?
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14:47:06XavierGrlnn, npp?
14:48:01peturhal, ibm
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14:48:16XavierGrhey don't swear at me :)
14:48:43peturjust throwing clues :p
14:49:04XavierGrwhat? CPU architectures?
14:49:38XavierGrI don't know much about these stuff...
14:52:38Milkmastermoo, petur. moo. lnn=>moo (look at your keyboard) npp=>moo (look at the alphabet)
14:53:48Jungti1234I can't progress continuation work....
14:56:05*petur looks at his keyboard.... gets something to clean it
14:58:22Jungti1234only 3 pics
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15:00:50XavierGrwow too many sticky tapes
15:00:52peturmore opening work ;)
15:00:59Jungti1234I can't
15:01:10XavierGrok Jungti1234: you can now officially start porting rockbox to it :P
15:01:19Jungti1234I don't have small + driver.
15:01:34Jungti1234more small..
15:06:34Jungti1234I go to do continuation work.
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15:22:40JdGordonJungti1234: was there always a t in your nick? or did u justrecently start adding it?
15:22:50JdGordoni coulda sworn u was always jungi1234?
15:22:55Jungti1234what's mean?
15:23:08peturJdGordon: no
15:23:37Jungti1234I have more picture
15:23:45Jungti1234I need your help.
15:23:47JdGordonwell put em up... :p
15:24:14peturJdGordon: go back to sleep ;)
15:24:16peturwtf... 20 seconds lag
15:25:14Hansmaulwurfis it just me or is really slow as hell?
15:25:52Jungti1234very big size
15:26:01*petur checks /.
15:27:08tucozHansmaulwurf: I noticed that also
15:28:05Jungti1234You asked to me. 'how long u been trying for?'
15:28:29Jungti1234Didn't take 1 month.
15:28:46peturbah.. damn lag, forget my remark
15:28:57Jungti1234Can't anyone help to me?
15:30:27peturJungti1234: try to make pictures with the text on the chips readable
15:30:46markunJungti1234: nice pictures
15:31:45Jungti1234markun. Long time no see. :P
15:32:02markunI can see an Atmel MEGA88, Philips TEA1211, some cirrus logic chip
15:32:16markunJungti1234: is there no Samsung ARM CPU?
15:32:36Jungti1234I don't know yet
15:32:48markunAn LT4055
15:32:50Jungti1234Hard Disk
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15:34:43Jungti1234I will take picture of chip that don't see on left.
15:35:21tucozJungti1234: congratulations to the victory against Togo
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15:36:04markunthis is the DAC:
15:36:59markunJungti1234: maybe the CPU is on the other side
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15:38:50amiconnHarddisk being a hitachi microdrive isn't surprising
15:39:08amiconnSame or similar model as used in the ipod mini
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15:42:22Jungti1234tucoz: Thanks :D
15:42:43Jungti1234amiconn: ok
15:42:54Jungti1234I took a picture.
15:43:12Jungti1234But, battery of camera is lacking.
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15:43:35markunJungti1234: Is it a samsung CPU?
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15:44:45Jungti1234wait for 30 minutes
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15:45:56dongsJungti1234: did the zerg win worldcup?
15:46:48dongslol, cmon
15:46:57Jungti1234what's mean..
15:46:58dongszerg = starcraft = korea
15:47:10Hansmaulwurfno they lost
15:47:12preglowdongs has starcraft anal retentiveness
15:47:14Hansmaulwurfi think
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15:47:34dongspreglow: personal attacks?
15:47:37Hansmaulwurfeveryday 3 matches, its getting confusing
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15:47:48Bactais RockBox the alternative iPod OS?
15:48:02Mikachuit is an alternative ipod os
15:48:02dongswell yeah
15:48:10dongsand its better, to!
15:48:19Bactacan an iPod mini run it?
15:48:20markunBacta: for ipods and some other players
15:49:34preglowdongs: where?
15:49:40dongshurry where?
15:49:45dongspreglow: whats with anal references
15:49:54Bactacan my ipod run it?
15:50:15preglowdongs: just me being annoyed at you mentioning zergs everytime Jungti1234 shows up
15:50:28preglowit gets boring
15:50:55Bactagiddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy
15:51:03dongspreglow: what, but he:s my best internet friend
15:51:04preglowwrong characters!
15:51:09dongsJungti1234: right?
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15:51:16Jungti1234I'm ok..
15:51:32Jungti1234he is japanese, I'm korean.
15:51:41BactaNorth or South?
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15:51:52Jungti1234not south north
15:51:56dongslol north korea
15:52:00Jungti1234We are one.
15:52:12Mikachuhm, did i miss that merger?
15:52:13dongsinteresting fact: north korea domain is .kp
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15:52:17dongsbut every single hit for .kp on gogole
15:52:21dongsis misspelled japanese domain name
15:52:30dongsjust try something like google site:kp
15:52:36dongsits pretty funny.
15:52:36BactaNorth Koreans are SEXY
15:52:50Bactajust look at that Korean torture chamber assistant in Die Another Day
15:53:29Jungti1234It is not actuality.
15:53:30Bactain the script her name was "scorpian woman"
15:53:48Jungti1234Korean hates it... 007 another day
15:53:55Bactahow come?
15:54:00dongsthis is a pretty good looking korean
15:54:06Jungti1234Bacta: what?
15:54:10dongsuntil you see hte picture title that is
15:54:19Jungti1234she is japanese. no?
15:54:20Bactahow come koreans hated it?
15:54:30dongsJungti1234: its not even a she :D
15:54:31Jungti1234'how come'?
15:54:42BactaOH GOD NO
15:54:44Mikachumay i perhaps step in to try and stop this discussion?
15:54:47Bactadongs u bastard :p
15:55:02aliask'how come' = why
15:55:54Bactagiddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy
15:56:09Jungti12341. Transparent American heroism
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15:56:41dongsJungti1234: korean friend of mien went to japan for a day. he thought he could online-order something and receive it same day. lol. he was in for quite a surprise. ended up cancelling a lot of orders!
15:56:46Jungti12342. Obvious reverse
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15:57:17Bactagiddigy giddigy giddigy giddigy
15:57:45Jungti12343. There are much distortions.
15:58:30Jungti12344. The South Korea excluded.
15:58:53Jungti12345. Farmhouse and farmer's delineation
15:59:09dongsJungti1234: i think you are failing right now
16:00:23Jungti1234Would you like to know more the reason?
16:00:41aliaskJungti1234: Don't listen to dongs, he is an idiot. :)
16:01:12Jungti1234last one reason
16:02:05Jungti1234Sex in front of buddha statue
16:04:36dongsi didnt notice that
16:04:40dongshe was listing reasons why 007 sucks
16:05:12Bactai never saw that sex scene :S
16:08:25Jungti1234I don't have more battery.
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16:21:15aliasknight everyone
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16:59:35dongsis that newstyle for heil hitler?
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17:01:11chromoXdorit´s just senslesstipping
17:01:20audreyhornehi... i have a question about a WPS
17:01:51dongs!help ask
17:01:55dongsor something like that.
17:01:57dongsdont ask to ask.
17:02:08amiconnZagor/ Bagder: Has moved behind a modem connection, or what?
17:02:21Jungti1234audreyhorne: ask
17:02:39audreyhornei know you use % to start all commands −− but how do you show an actual "%" on the screen?
17:02:51Zagoramiconn: no, just the same very slow 2Mbit connection. if someone at the office downloads a redhat cd or something, everything slows to a crawl...
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17:03:26Zagorhmm, looks like the current traffic peak is from the rockbox server though...
17:03:33Jungti1234you can find it in wiki
17:03:45webguest18just type %%
17:03:52audreyhornewebguest −− really?
17:04:37audreyhorneduh... just found the "other tags" section in the wiki
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17:06:07goffai see had a story on rockbox
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17:06:18goffahaven't read it yet because i'm too cheap to subscribe
17:06:28goffai'll be checkin it out next week
17:06:40tucoza new story?
17:06:55goffaits in the current issue
17:07:22goffajune 14
17:07:55goffalooks like it was posted by Daniel Stenberg.. rockbox on sandisk
17:12:05goffawhat's that .. m3?
17:12:32Zagoralso a new link on 23 hours ago
17:13:54Jungti1234iriver E10
17:17:24Jungti1234I have go to now
17:17:35tucozZagor: what is that link?
17:18:05markunJungti1234: good pictures
17:18:24Jungti1234you can see all chip name
17:18:31markunyes, very good
17:18:50markunIf only Samsung would have some documentation of those chips for us..
17:19:43Jungti1234Do you need name of display?
17:20:10Jungti1234I can't see it..
17:20:39Jungti1234see you tomorrow
17:20:44tucozZagor: the last post on digg "The Rockbox site is dugg at the moment so I can't effectively check the official wiki for my question. " :)
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17:20:51Zagortucoz: another article I haven't seen before:
17:21:06*Zagor scours the log for referrers :-)
17:21:07tucozme neither. Should I add it to the articles section?
17:21:12Zagorplease do
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18:49:29spifwandi love you rockbox
18:49:34spifwandplz marry me
18:49:59spifwandmediamonkey + rockbox = pwntastic
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19:10:25*amiconn is somewhat puzzled...
19:11:29amiconnThe mentioned files all play fine on my Studio...
19:12:10amiconnThe only possible explanation is that the limitations in the MAS3507D changed with chip revisions
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19:15:04*petur pours a Leffe Blond into a Grimbergen glass
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19:20:42*preglow sulks
19:21:23*tucoz says thank you to petur, and takes a refreshing sip of his delicious beer
19:21:47peturno problem, have three more in the fridge ;)
19:22:19preglowbrown leffe is better
19:22:30preglownot really :)
19:22:46tucozbeer and norway is not a perfect match
19:22:55peturbrown beers are sweeter and normally prefered by women
19:23:06preglowbelgian brown beers, yes
19:23:21preglowi don't think your average imperial stout is prefered by women
19:23:53preglowthen again, that'd be more of a black beer...
19:25:42tucozmmm, black beer
19:26:00tucozI think I like beer in all shades actually
19:26:04preglowi know i do
19:26:26tucozNot sure about crystal clear beer though
19:26:29preglowonly beer so far i haven't found completely decent is rodenbach grand cru, but that really is one for enthusiasts
19:26:56peturI've never tried that
19:27:03preglowit's sour as hell
19:27:08preglowbut then, it's meant to be
19:28:07peturyou should try geuze lambik made by some small breweries around Brussels - very sour. But not exported I fear
19:28:21tucozI drank Berliner Kindl when I was in Berlin. Beer with raspberry syrup. hmmm
19:28:22preglowno, it's not, but i do intend to try a ton of them when i can
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19:28:55*petur offers preglow his sofa when he comes near Gent ;)
19:29:14preglowme turning up in belgium one day is very far from impossible, heh
19:30:41preglowwe'll see, right now i need to write more boring gui code :/
19:31:24peturhmmm... what's uda1380_volume used for in uda1380.c? nothing it seems to me
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19:35:09tucozwhen recording from spdif, is there a 'new track' flag sent? E.g. on a cd player with digital out. In that case, is this implemented in rockbox?
19:40:03tucozI remember my old minidisc creating tracks when recording from digital out, but the iriver fw does not
19:40:03amiconnpetur: ?
19:40:50amiconn[19:32:14] <petur> hmmm... what's uda1380_volume used for in uda1380.c? nothing it seems to me <== why do you ask?
19:41:03preglowtucoz: we have the possibility to intercept such messages for coldfire platforms
19:41:04amiconnOf course these functiuons are used...
19:41:15tucozpreglow: nice
19:41:20peturbecause they're only declared and assigned, never actually used
19:42:30amiconnUmm, sorry, you mean the variables...
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19:43:22amiconnGuess they were used for shadowing, but that's now done in a different way for all uda registers
19:43:34amiconnImho we should remove 'em...
19:44:51peturI'm going to implement peak-reduction for recording: 1) swap calls according to inc/dec, 2) remove yields for uda i2c calls
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19:48:55markunMore DM320 players:
19:50:12amiconnpetur: Not removing these variables was an oversight by me, sorry.
19:51:31*petur runs off to cook dinner
19:56:04hardeephmmm, does anyone disagree with committing the iCatcher WPS and making it the default on all platforms?
19:56:34hardeepi think we should do that before releasing 3.0
19:58:30tucozI think you should do that
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19:59:20tucozMy understanding is that the swedes agree as well
19:59:35tucozAt least they did some time ago
20:00:57FebsAssuming that there is a non-album art version of iCatcher, I agree as well.
20:01:24tucozthe version in the tracker uses only cvs tags
20:01:53preglowoh, i agree
20:02:12preglowwe have nothing even approaching icatcher's level of shininess and cross target consistency
20:02:50preglowand it's more than worthy of being commited anyway, if you ask me
20:03:03hardeepyeah, i think i'm going to commit it
20:03:14tucozhardeep: the current wps-build script doesn't handle different fonts for different resolutions though
20:03:14hardeepand then make sure there's no problems before making it the default
20:03:36hardeeptucoz: yeah, i noticed that... will have to fix
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20:15:32amiconnhardeep: (1) How would you make an on-disk wps the default? (2) What happens if icatcher isn't present when settings are reset?
20:15:47hardeepamiconn: yeah, that's the stuff i was going to look into
20:16:06hardeepamiconn: the current default should still be the fallback
20:16:37amiconn(3) While I do like the icatcher look, I'm not sure whether I could bear the increased load time of a bitmapped wps
20:17:22hardeepyou can always choose a different wps =)
20:17:34hardeepi think most people would prefer the bitmapped version
20:17:43amiconnI'm easily annoyed by boot times; the iriver rockbox boot is rather slow
20:17:59*amiconn is spoiled by rockbox in flash on archos
20:18:38amiconn4..5 seconds boot time on player & recorder, with the unit already registering keypresses ~1 second after poweron
20:20:07amiconnBoot time on ipod is comparable when retailos is removed, yet without the early keypress registering
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20:34:02tucozamiconn: no one is forcing you to stick with icatcher. But the first impression factor for people installing rockbox for the first time is valid imo.
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20:41:53amiconnThat's a point I'll probably never really understand... why do people prefer design over functionality? ?:-/
20:42:14preglowi think they prefer both
20:42:24tucozI think people in general are used to slick guis
20:42:36preglowif you take a look at the forums, you'll be lying if you say there are more requests about the gui than basic functionality
20:43:19Febsamiconn: imo, the default wps is NOT functional on platforms with a largers screen like the video and the h300.
20:43:41FebsThe default font is too small for my old eyes to read.
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20:45:19LinusNamiconn: i don't think the builtin wps is very functional on the larger screens
20:45:28PresenceI agree with Febs, that default font is itty bitty. My wife laughed at me for using it.
20:45:29Mikachudidn't someone make a good default wps for most sizes?
20:45:32LinusNit is tiny and looks awful
20:45:44amiconnHehe. I'm actually running a very-similar-to-default wps on my H300
20:45:56LinusNand you are free to do so
20:45:57amiconn..with the default font
20:46:12LinusNthat doesn't mean that it should be the default for the rest of the userbase
20:47:05LinusNthe problem is that the default font is still ... eh ... default
20:47:05amiconnBesides, I didn't say that we shouldn't make icatcher the default, if you think that the look is that important
20:47:17amiconnIt's just that I don't really get it
20:47:20LinusNso the default wps would have to use it
20:47:36PresenceiCatcher > Boxes.
20:47:44LinusNi'm surprised that you don't get it
20:47:52preglowi'm not
20:47:59amiconnOne more reason for me to work on text-based config, so that settings resets due to settings version changes will stop happening
20:48:18LinusNamiconn: yup
20:48:31preglowtext based config will be heaven
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21:18:35XavierGrah preglow: Genre9mp3 will be very happy about your remarks about iCatcher. :)
21:18:56XavierGrBut it is nice to see that there is a discussion to change default WPS.
21:19:09XavierGrH300 looks very weird with the default one.
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21:24:10preglowjust wait until you see ipod 5g
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21:27:59XavierGrpreglow: I can imagine...
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21:35:47earHertzANYONE GERMAN HERE?
21:36:50bluey-weißwurst :)
21:44:11bluebrotherearHertz, why are you screaming?
21:44:28earHertzI accidently had caps lock on
21:44:37bluey-weißwurst and sauerkraut !
21:44:50earHertzbluey-: ja, ja
21:45:24bluebrotherso, what's the problem? Everyone's out watching soccer?
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21:45:43earHertzoh, yah, probably.
21:45:49bluey-BAHH kein tor
21:45:50earHertzthough amiconn says he's not into it
21:45:58preglowi'm not either...
21:46:00bluebrotherdamn, those guys outside my window are _loud_
21:46:01preglowi'm still not german
21:46:44bluebrotherI'm german but I'm also not really interested in those sports.
21:47:01earHertzbluebrother: oh, you're german? from where?
21:47:06Xerioni;m not german, i'm just watching hoping they get beaten :p
21:47:30bluebrotherearHertz, Karlsruhe ATM.
21:47:41bluebrotherdamn hot south germany :(
21:47:56bluey-heared there is shower tommorrow :)
21:48:02earHertzhow do you pronouce "Boehner"?
21:48:08bluebrothersounds like Halbzeit.
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21:56:01XavierGrI am not German but I am watching the game. (well it is halftime right now)
21:56:03jochengood $TIME_OF_THE_DAY_AT_YOUR_LOCATION !
21:56:15dionoeajochen: nice one :)
21:56:29jochensorry, didn't mean to shout.
21:57:32jocheni hope, the devs ain't to much into soccer. ;)
21:58:06dionoeawell some people here seemed to be watching the game ...
21:58:46jochenuuh, i hope, amiconn's not among those. ;)
21:59:59jochensupposed he's still the one who's looking after that insomniac usbtg-chip
22:01:58peturbluey-: the showers are here atm, expect bursts of lots of water
22:03:09jochenwell, we already had some sort of rain some hours ago. but it didn't cool the air down at all.
22:03:47peturit went 30 -> 21 here
22:03:53*petur is happy now
22:03:58jochenlucky you...
22:04:15Paul_The_NerdAnd 30 is hot?
22:04:35peturdegrees celcius
22:04:44Paul_The_NerdYeah, I know
22:04:54Paul_The_NerdIt was 35 here for the last 5 hours or so.
22:05:26peturmy limit is at 25, above it I suffer termal throttling
22:05:35peturthermal even
22:05:44jochenas per, we also have like 20 degrees now, but due to the high humidity, it still doesn't really feel cold.
22:05:51XavierGrpetur you are really sensitive to heat...
22:06:10XavierGr27C is considered as ideal temprature.
22:06:14Paul_The_NerdIt was 41 yesterday. =/
22:06:35*amiconn is tempted to send petur to greece, in summer ;)
22:06:45jochen41? where are you from?
22:06:51jochenoh, forget it. *lol*
22:07:08jochenoh, no, don't forget it, i misread sth..
22:07:10*petur slaps amiconn with a large airco
22:07:34Presence28 °C
22:07:41Presencelas vegas.
22:07:41XavierGramiconn: hehe, but petur has already gone to Greece.
22:08:05*XavierGr thinks that petur hates Greece :p
22:08:32peturyes, and never again. The country & people is ok, the temperature not
22:09:07jochenamiconn: how are you coming along with your lullabies for the usbtg chip? ;)
22:09:20XavierGrpetur: you should go and live in Africa!
22:09:30Paul_The_Nerdjochen: Texas.
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22:10:17peturall my last summer holidays were up north (Iceland, Norway, Finland)
22:10:39jochenyeah, norway is really nice. as far as i can remember...
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22:14:40jochentime to put on some stran... err.. uncommon music. :)
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22:15:31earHertzwhy can't I find button.c here: ?
22:16:14peturearHertz: viewcvs is acting up on all recently modfied/added files
22:17:02peturclick on another file, then modify the url
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22:18:50jochenthat whole cvs thingy can be a turn-off sometimes..
22:19:27peturlike this:
22:19:29Paul_The_NerdAnyone know why when I plug a charger into my AJBR the battery % goes from whatever it is to approximately 6-8?
22:19:33Learnot only recently modified. e.g., main.c has been missing in action for some time...
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22:20:47amiconnThe H300 retailos isp1362 access timing is dead slow....
22:21:22amiconnor rather, it is slower than necessary at max. clock
22:21:37amiconnI dunno what clock iriver runs the cpu at when doing usbotg
22:22:10amiconnWhat's definitely slower than necessary is the many 'nop's in the read functions
22:22:54amiconn..for the DC at least
22:23:26peturthey must have had a reason to insert those nops
22:24:19amiconnFor the HC, they played safe and chose the slowest timing constraint (DC buffer read access)
22:24:33amiconnFor the DC, they obviously just copied the access routines
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22:27:43amiconnHmm. Obviously the datasheet isn't complete wrt timing
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22:44:58*petur is stil unsure about removing the yields in i2c-coldfire.c
22:46:05amiconnBlargh :(
22:46:19amiconnThe datasheet and the appnotes contradict each other
22:46:30peturoh nice
22:46:34Learpetur: have removed or thinking about removing?
22:47:06peturI have them removed here and everything seems to work ok
22:47:10Learwondering, since I got a freeze today when trying to change volume...
22:47:36peturthey're still there in cvs
22:48:30amiconnWah! It's really noisy outside right now. Damn world cup :(
22:49:28RedBrevaThat would be the reaction to the winning goal I assume?
22:50:07XavierGrhehe, amiconn congratulations on Germany
22:50:13XavierGrYou just won Poland!
22:50:15*amiconn doesn't care
22:50:20tucozcongratulations germany
22:50:21XavierGrI know... :p
22:50:29amiconnSoccer is boring
22:51:32RedBrevaIt's not soccer, it's football - onlythe Americans play So
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22:53:25amiconnpetur: The programming guide says disable overcurrent detection with bit 14 of HcHardwareConfiguration in the put-to-suspend description,
22:54:02amiconnbut in the table describing that register earlier in the document, overcurrent protection is disabled with bit 10, and bit 14 is undefined
22:54:34sharpeheh, you could always set both bits, and see if it works.
22:54:42amiconnBit 10 matches the datasheet, but the datasheet says bit 14 is defined - being GlobalPowerDown
22:54:49earHertzrockbox coding guidelines: spaces or tabs?
22:54:51sharpeor no.
22:55:46earHertzspaces per indent?
22:55:54sharpefour, i believe.
22:56:09Mikachulook in any file...
22:56:46sharpebut that's so, *not* time consuming. especially when you want to procrastinate.
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22:59:35sharpehmm... anyone have a look at the latest update on the manufacturer cooperation stuff?
23:01:25sharpewell. probably. i just haven't seen it since... fourteen hours ago.
23:02:01Paul_The_NerdThe one where I don't know the name of the manufacturer?
23:02:13sharpethe 'chinese mp3 player' ?
23:02:31Paul_The_NerdYeah, something like that.
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23:04:36Paul_The_NerdWell, if they give me one for free, I'll gladly support it in our forums most effectively once Rockbox is available for it. ;)
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23:07:38Paul_The_NerdHonestly I do quite like the sound of that player.
23:08:15Paul_The_NerdBut my two priorities wrt coding for Rockbox are: Learn the playback system, then attempt to help out if a Sandisk port does begin.
23:08:36Paul_The_NerdWith the playback system being with intent to try to fix some bugs if the freeze goes on too much longer. :)
23:09:29sharpei've no intents at the moment.
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23:10:18senabobo you in here?
23:10:45senabautopause won't compile lol
23:11:07senabi applied scrobbler
23:11:29senabthen went through the autopause patch file manually doing it
23:11:39oboyup, bit of a painful job
23:11:47senabnow it wont compile
23:11:56Mikachuthen you did Something Wrong [tm]
23:12:00*amiconn is already halfway there - DC already sleeping, HC left to do...
23:12:54obowhat file is failing, and can you the failing section of that file?
23:12:58dionoea$define HC
23:13:16amiconnDC == device controller, HC == host controller
23:13:27dionoeausb stuff ?
23:13:31senabi'm just recompiling now, give me a sec
23:13:47amiconnThe ISP1362 consists of 2 parts, (1) a device controller (slave), (2) a host controller (master)
23:14:28*dionoea thanks amiconn for the answer :) (and googles for ISP1362)
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23:14:52amiconnUSB on-the-go controller made by Philips, used in the H300
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23:15:06dionoeaok, thanks ;)
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23:17:43senabobo: ahh crap, i forgot i restored the CVS
23:17:54senabits was settings.c
23:18:13senabit was moaning about a { i think
23:18:46senabi'll have another look tomorrow
23:18:59obookay, no worries. let me know if you get completely stuck :)
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23:19:22senabi'll find u again wen i've done it tomorrow
23:19:36senabcheers obo
23:19:58obono worries :)
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23:24:47peturamiconn: me idiot, the two gain regs are next to each other and should be written in one operation :)
23:26:09peturat least for PGA (line-in)
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23:26:51peturfor VGA this is not possible but the quality requirement is less there anyway
23:27:04petur(internal mic)
23:29:53webguest29hi, what IRC client shall i install on my pc ? (i sue RBx webclient, but not so ergonomic...)
23:30:04peturwhat os?
23:30:25ender`xchat or hydrairc
23:30:36peturI like nettalk a lot
23:30:50webguest29i check, tanx
23:30:50ender`xchat at, hydrairc on
23:33:19earHertzHow do I do a mutex on a variable, to ensure that it's not modified by another thread whiel I'm playing with it?
23:33:34peturno problem
23:33:55peturunless you yield or sleep
23:34:30peturrb is cooperative multitasking, other threads only run if you tell it to
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23:37:51earHertzreally? You're sure?
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23:38:13earHertzeven stuff that's driven by an interrupt?
23:38:25Bagderno, interrupts are always interrupts
23:38:44earHertzso an interrupt could cause otehr code to run?
23:38:45peturyou can disable irq for short time
23:39:13Bagderinterrupts cause interrupt code to run, yes, unless you have them disabled
23:39:14peturno, irq's shouldn't cause other threads to run
23:39:47earHertzOk, the button code, iis it driven by an interrupt? I need to modify a var that is also modified by teh button code
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23:45:04peturamiconn: please let me swear at the UDA1380
23:45:46preglowearHertz: only ipod has interrupt driven button code
23:46:03earHertzfunnily enough, this is for the ipod
23:46:07petureven writing both gain regs in one write causes glitches the same size :(
23:46:24earHertzso I should clear interrrupts. How do I do that?
23:47:05preglowearHertz: you set the mask interrupts flag
23:47:08preglowsystem.h has code that does this
23:47:19preglowwhy do you need to do this?
23:47:50earHertzI have a value that gets modified both by teh button code, and by any client that reads it (reading it resets it)
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23:49:19preglowbut is this generic code for all targets?
23:49:36preglowit's also worth knowing that the button drivers gets called in an interrupt context anyway
23:49:39webguest29ender, i installed xchat, and connected to freenode
23:49:44preglowsince they're run from the tick timer
23:49:53ender`now just do /j #rockbox
23:50:07webguest29now how to join #rockbox ?(never used an irc tool)
23:50:14webguest29oups sorry
23:50:25ender`no problem, everybody has to start somewhere
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23:51:06earHertzpreglow: this is not generic code; it's for 4G & 5g ipods only
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23:52:49earHertzpreglow: disable_fiq?
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23:55:53tongaswhy can't i use my nick i use on RBx forums ?
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23:57:47Paul_The_Nerdtongas: The nick "tongas"?
23:57:56tongasnovimon, gaston !
23:58:06tongastongas, i just used it to connect
23:58:49tongassorry novimon was nothing
23:58:49Paul_The_NerdOh, you're asking why you can't use the nick from the forums here?
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