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| 00:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Even with a good charger, when I plug in the charger, the battery % shows at like, 6%. I'm afraid of overheating my batteries because the trickle charge won't kick in. Should I be? |
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| 00:08:27 | amiconn | How long did you keep it plugged, and what batteries are in there? |
| 00:08:43 | amiconn | Did you charge the batteries externally? |
| 00:08:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've charged them externally a few times |
| 00:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2650mah batteries. |
| 00:09:44 | amiconn | I mean, were they fully charged when you put them in, and then immediately connected the charger? |
| 00:09:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 00:09:52 | amiconn | Or did you run them down |
| 00:09:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I let them discharge for a while, down to about 10% |
| 00:10:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was running a playback test to see how long they lasted, got about 14.5 hours. |
| 00:10:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Plugged it in a good bit ago, it sayve 5.19V 6% |
| 00:10:45 | amiconn | The battery percentage is rather coarse, unlike with LiIon |
| 00:11:09 | amiconn | A full charge can take quite some time, especially with higher capacity batteries |
| 00:11:16 | amiconn | What charger do you use now? |
| 00:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a 9v 1200mah charger. |
| 00:12:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | mA |
| 00:12:05 | amiconn | Regulated? |
| 00:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 00:12:14 | amiconn | Then charging will take like forever |
| 00:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Should I change it to 12v? |
| 00:12:36 | amiconn | Yes if it's regulated |
| 00:13:07 | amiconn | You can expect a full charge to take 8..10 hours with your batteries, and either the stock charger, or a 12V regulated one |
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| 00:13:49 | amiconn | Wit 9V regulated, it will take days - if the current balance is positive at all |
| 00:14:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 00:14:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I set it to 12v, it doesn't charge at all |
| 00:15:08 | amiconn | oh? |
| 00:15:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 00:15:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I plug it in, and Rockbox boots. |
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| 00:15:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | No charging indicator anywhere |
| 00:15:40 | amiconn | And if you set it back to 9V it shows a charging indicator? |
| 00:15:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
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| 00:16:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | By the way, my battery status is at about 47% now that I've unplugged the charger. |
| 00:16:14 | amiconn | Hmm... I'd almost think your charger is faulty... outputs no voltage at the 12V setting |
| 00:16:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, it's... going up. |
| 00:16:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seems to be fluctuating around the 50% mark, +/- 2% |
| 00:16:58 | amiconn | The archos boots as soon as it senses any voltage at the dc input, even a short pulse |
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| 00:17:42 | amiconn | I can cause my recorder to boot by plugging the dc end of a charger that I disconnected from mains a day ago - just by the residual voltage in the filter cap |
| 00:17:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, this is my concernt. It was charging on the 9v, supposedly, and had been "Charging" for over a half hour, said 6% (when I'd plugged it in with 10% remaining) now that it's unplugged it says 50%, and I'm just confused. |
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| 00:20:19 | amiconn | If you charged for approx. half an hour, the real charging state could only have increased by less than 10 % |
| 00:20:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was greater than half an hour. |
| 00:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not wholly certain how long it was |
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| 00:20:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Could be as much as two hours or so |
| 00:20:56 | amiconn | That is, with 12V regulated, or the stock 9V unregulated charger (which outputs about 10.5V at the load the archos causes) |
| 00:21:27 | amiconn | The maximum charging current of the archos is 350mA |
| 00:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I'm certain of is that at least one show started and completed while it was charging, so at least that much time passed. I've been doing various things and I'm not certain when I plugged it in. =/ |
| 00:21:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was just concerned that during the whole charging process it showed a lower percentage than the firmware reported before I started charging. |
| 00:22:02 | amiconn | Connecting a higher voltage than ~11V only increases the heat generated in the charging circuit |
| 00:22:32 | amiconn | The percentages are very coarse. We can't do much better with NiMH |
| 00:22:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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| 00:23:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've just never seen *anything* but something in the 3-8% range when plugging in the charger. |
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| 00:23:36 | amiconn | If you ask battery experts, they'll all tell you that it's practically impossible to determine the real charge state of a NiMH/NiCd battery by measuring the voltage only |
| 00:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Independent of current charge state of the batteries. |
| 00:23:43 | amiconn | ..but the voltage is all we have |
| 00:23:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | What voltage is "fully charged"? |
| 00:24:36 | amiconn | Then the charging algorithm on recorder v1 (the only rockbox target with software controlled charging) still leaves something to be desired |
| 00:24:36 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i see mins as 5.70-5.71 |
| 00:24:48 | scorche | mine |
| 00:24:50 | amiconn | It usually is over-cautious |
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| 00:25:10 | mirak | hi |
| 00:25:19 | mirak | is there some colored skins ? |
| 00:25:20 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: There is no fixed 'fully charged' voltage |
| 00:25:27 | mirak | what's the best skin in color ? |
| 00:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: More like "What voltage should I disconnect the charger at if it still reports single-digit percents at much higher voltages)? |
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| 00:26:21 | amiconn | The voltage of a NiMH cell depends on many factors. End-of-charge is usually detected by montitoring voltage chages over time |
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| 00:26:43 | amiconn | *monitoring, changes |
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| 00:27:52 | amiconn | Voltage display also differs from archos to archos, probably due to tolerances in some voltage divider resistors |
| 00:28:17 | markun | amiconn: iriver has put a 8-bit microcontroller in their E10. Any idea what it could be used for? |
| 00:28:20 | amiconn | I'd just let it charge. There's also a safety timeout built into rockbox charging |
| 00:28:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the worst that could happen is just me needing new batteries again? |
| 00:28:45 | markun | mirak: which player? |
| 00:29:22 | amiconn | (which btw hits too early with high-capacity cells when charging right on boot, probably because chgarging is set up before settings are loaded) |
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| 00:29:43 | amiconn | I always charge the recorder *in* rockbox, i.e. boot first, then connect the charger |
| 00:29:59 | amiconn | (or sometimes connect the charger, then start with 'on') |
| 00:30:33 | mirak | markun: h300 |
| 00:30:47 | mirak | markun: I am not into rockbox anymore |
| 00:30:54 | mirak | I mean I don't follow what's happening |
| 00:31:25 | preglow | heresy! |
| 00:31:46 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, but even that is unlikely, especially with high capacity cells |
| 00:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Fine, I just don't want to do anything with even any risk of damaging the player itself, because it belongs to my brother. |
| 00:32:31 | preglow | markun: atmel controller? |
| 00:32:46 | amiconn | NiMH cells can take overcharging for quite a while at I10, and that's almost all the archos provides |
| 00:32:54 | markun | preglow: ATmega88 |
| 00:33:03 | preglow | cool, i've programmed those |
| 00:33:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ok |
| 00:33:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Thanks |
| 00:33:17 | preglow | i wouldn't expect to find one in an mp3 player, though |
| 00:33:26 | amiconn | (I10 being the current a cell can provide for 10 hours, i.e. a tenth of the capacity) |
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| 00:33:30 | markun | preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info |
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| 00:34:31 | markun | preglow: http://cafefiles.naver.net/data23/2006/6/15/278/DSCN2955.jpg |
| 00:35:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: What would you expect to find one in? |
| 00:35:30 | preglow | dunno, small appliances without a bigger cpu as well |
| 00:35:54 | preglow | avrs are 8 bit and seldom have a high clock |
| 00:37:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Programmable television remote? |
| 00:37:45 | preglow | like that |
| 00:37:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because an E10 is also that. |
| 00:37:53 | preglow | hah |
| 00:37:58 | preglow | crazy koreans |
| 00:38:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's kinda what I thought. |
| 00:38:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean c'mon, that's what PDAs are for, not DAPs. |
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| 00:56:21 | preglow | anyway |
| 00:56:29 | preglow | if you've got an arm core, you don't need an avr core |
| 00:57:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless apparently you're iriver. |
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| 01:01:06 | * | preglow checks |
| 01:01:13 | preglow | turns out i'm not |
| 01:01:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good to hear. |
| 01:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | VERY good to hear, really. |
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| 01:04:16 | AdventSon128 | hey guys |
| 01:04:52 | AdventSon128 | any 1 here have some spare time for 2 noob questions ? |
| 01:05:05 | sharpe | AdventSon128: go for it. |
| 01:05:12 | AdventSon128 | alright |
| 01:05:26 | AdventSon128 | i have opened a firmware but it comes out as a .rom file |
| 01:05:35 | AdventSon128 | can i dont know how to edit it |
| 01:05:51 | sharpe | firmware as in, the original firmware, or the rockbox firmware? |
| 01:06:20 | AdventSon128 | the orginal firmware its for the sansa e200 |
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| 01:07:07 | sharpe | well, that player isn't supported by rockbox. |
| 01:07:14 | AdventSon128 | yeah i know |
| 01:07:26 | AdventSon128 | i am on a team of peeps so we can try to port it |
| 01:07:45 | sharpe | ah, alright. |
| 01:07:54 | sharpe | and what are you trying to do with the original firmware? |
| 01:07:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, A) You don't want to "edit" the original firmware anyway |
| 01:08:16 | AdventSon128 | y wouldnt I ? |
| 01:08:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What would you be trying to do by editing it? |
| 01:08:42 | AdventSon128 | maybe change the images/strings |
| 01:08:43 | stripwax | AdventSon128 - you would have to "edit" all of it until there's basically none left |
| 01:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | AdventSon128: and see, that's nothing to do with Rockbox at all. |
| 01:09:01 | stripwax | (if you really mean you want to port rockbox) |
| 01:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is a replacement firmware |
| 01:09:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | You get it ported, and put it in place of the original |
| 01:09:25 | AdventSon128 | ohh alright |
| 01:09:33 | ashridah | stripwax: well, realistically speaking, he may need to squeeze in a boot loader |
| 01:09:36 | ashridah | which would be 'editing' |
| 01:09:42 | ashridah | but you wouldn't do that by hand |
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| 01:10:13 | stripwax | (bah - ok, that's true. I remember back in the early days of h1xx someone tried to hack in a bootloader by hand.. it didn't work though) |
| 01:10:16 | AdventSon128 | then how would i do that ? |
| 01:10:22 | ashridah | AdventSon128: you probably want to disassemble it, which means you're going to need to understand the hardware itself |
| 01:10:22 | Amien | hi .. anyone got any idea why my tags are all wrong in ID3-mode? |
| 01:10:32 | stripwax | Amien - define "wrong" |
| 01:10:47 | Pieter_ | writing/hacking a bootloader.. that wouldn't be a 'noob' question, would it? |
| 01:10:58 | ashridah | (ie, what 'address' it starts from, where the rom is mapped to, the type of cpu, and thus, the assembly to work with, etc) |
| 01:11:06 | antil33t | hmm |
| 01:11:07 | Amien | different genre's .. while i checked .. i changed them all to 1 genre |
| 01:11:31 | AdventSon128 | hmm |
| 01:11:34 | stripwax | Amien - hrm, what kind of files are they - - and does the right genre show up in, say, Winamp? |
| 01:11:35 | antil33t | i had a good play with rockbox last night |
| 01:11:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Well we at least know that it's the PP5024 which has an ARM7 core. The firmware is likely in the same format as that for the H10 and a variety of other portalplayer devices, though it seems not too much has been figured about the MI4 files (which are encrypted) if I recall |
| 01:11:55 | Amien | in the original firmware it shows all up ok |
| 01:11:57 | Amien | all mp3 files |
| 01:12:07 | sharpe | Amien: you're using tagcache right? |
| 01:12:11 | Amien | yes |
| 01:12:20 | sharpe | have you forced an update? |
| 01:12:21 | ashridah | AdventSon128: lets just say that without embedded programming experience, it's not likely to be too easy for you. changing images might not be too bad, but very error prone without the above disassembly skills |
| 01:12:44 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: awesome |
| 01:12:45 | Pieter_ | besides, even the images might be encrypted... |
| 01:13:01 | stripwax | ashridah - heh, I didn't reverse engineer anything to get ihpbmp working ;-) |
| 01:13:01 | markun | good evening Pieter_ |
| 01:13:11 | Amien | yes .. updating in backgrp .. msg is gone in 3 sec .. nothing happends |
| 01:13:18 | stripwax | (well, yeah, ok, I did, but not using a disassembler) |
| 01:13:21 | Pieter_ | hey markun :) |
| 01:13:30 | sharpe | try deleteing the tagcache files, and forcing an update. |
| 01:13:37 | ashridah | stripwax: but i'm betting that someone else had already mapped out the contents of the .hex file;) |
| 01:13:52 | stripwax | ashridah - nope, that was me ;-) |
| 01:14:12 | AdventSon128 | hmm alright then |
| 01:14:25 | stripwax | Agree that it might be error prone (and perhaps I was just lucky to get it right) |
| 01:15:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: The nice thing is that MP3 players from at least 3 manufacturers seem to do it this way, and it's very likely the reference way PortalPlayer provides, so solving it will accelerate or help other people start several other ports. |
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| 01:16:17 | Amien | sharpe: where can i find those files? |
| 01:16:23 | sharpe | in /.rockbox/ |
| 01:16:27 | sharpe | *.tcd |
| 01:17:27 | antil33t | does rockbox have video support? |
| 01:17:33 | sharpe | antil33t: no. |
| 01:17:37 | antil33t | damn |
| 01:17:47 | * | scorche wonders how many times a day that gets asked |
| 01:17:54 | AdventSon128 | lol |
| 01:18:00 | antil33t | heh, i diddnt think it did |
| 01:18:06 | stripwax | hmm... |
| 01:18:12 | sharpe | we should keep count |
| 01:18:21 | scorche | maybe we should put that in the topic |
| 01:18:39 | antil33t | just stick it in the subject |
| 01:18:40 | scorche | Rockbox 3.0? Yes, we're working on it...and no, we don't provide video support! |
| 01:18:52 | Amien | why was video support not added? :) .. is that the second most asked question? |
| 01:19:01 | sharpe | "Rockbox 3.0? Yes, we're working on it. And by working on it, we mean, we are not working on video support." |
| 01:19:14 | stripwax | Amien - why is any feature not added? (because no-one's done it .. yet ..) |
| 01:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Amien: Because nobody's done it. There's still plenty left to do to get audio working the best it can, and nobody who seems to really *want* video wants it enough to actually do something about it. |
| 01:20:04 | Amien | would divx be possible? |
| 01:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably not on most players |
| 01:20:16 | stripwax | Amien - maybe |
| 01:20:23 | antil33t | yeah the audio is great |
| 01:20:41 | stripwax | But I guess until anyone really gets stuck into investigating video codecs on rockbox, no-one's really going to know what is and is not possible. |
| 01:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | stripwax: It's *very* unlikely Divx will be usable on any of the current players. Most of them just aren't fast enough. |
| 01:21:26 | Amien | is 3.0 getting a better layout for the bookmarks? like a scrolldown option? |
| 01:21:34 | stripwax | Paul_The_Nerd - right, other than the ipod 5g perhaps |
| 01:21:37 | antil33t | just overclock the ipod :D |
| 01:21:47 | stripwax | antil33t - after you! ;-) |
| 01:21:50 | sharpe | antil33t: that's not really an option. |
| 01:21:53 | antil33t | heh |
| 01:21:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | stripwax: The 5G's broadcom chip may decode in hardware, which means we'd be stuck with whatever formats the chip itself supports. |
| 01:22:12 | sharpe | which is mp4's, mov's, and that's... about it? |
| 01:22:14 | antil33t | hmm we would get 2 formats :) w00t |
| 01:22:20 | antil33t | no not mov's |
| 01:22:22 | stripwax | anyone know much about the broadcom chip? |
| 01:22:25 | sharpe | meh. |
| 01:22:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Broadcom does |
| 01:22:37 | antil33t | MP4, had .H2XX |
| 01:22:37 | stripwax | :-) |
| 01:22:39 | Amien | ON+PLAY .. what keys is that .. i tried them all |
| 01:22:40 | sharpe | stripwax: i don't think anyone's tried to understand it. |
| 01:22:53 | antil33t | its in your manual for you 5g :) |
| 01:23:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Amien: On iPods it actually means "The next-track button" |
| 01:23:01 | Amien | (to delete bookmarks) |
| 01:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Amien: The string doesn't have an iPod-specific version yet. |
| 01:23:34 | stripwax | sharpe - fairy nuff. Since the broadcom chip has its own firmware file I'm guessing it is at least moderately programmable |
| 01:23:57 | sharpe | stripwax: i don't think there is any datasheets for it either |
| 01:24:07 | stripwax | sharpe - bah. humph. |
| 01:24:11 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:24:39 | Amien | next-track works fine |
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| 01:26:20 | sharpe | what is the name of the broadcom chip? |
| 01:26:43 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why the e200 feels like it needs to split video files. |
| 01:27:02 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: software limitations? |
| 01:27:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: It personally seems like an odd sort of limitation. |
| 01:27:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like the kind you can avoid if you really try. |
| 01:27:46 | sharpe | heheh |
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| 01:30:53 | earHertz | on the ipod, is there an easy, fast way to get timer resolution that's more granual than ticks? |
| 01:31:33 | antil33t | heh |
| 01:32:07 | antil33t | is there a spectrum anilyser for rockbox, i saw one somewhere |
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| 01:32:32 | sharpe | antil33t: the oscilliscope plugin |
| 01:32:40 | sharpe | is the closest thing, anyway. |
| 01:32:44 | antil33t | yeah |
| 01:32:47 | Amien | tagcache is not ready .. does it really take that long? |
| 01:32:49 | antil33t | thanks :) |
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| 01:35:46 | antil33t | TOC: No TOC in "Main.PluginOscilloscope" ? what does that mean |
| 01:36:10 | sharpe | hmm... do you think if we asked really nicely, broadcom would give us the bcm2722 datasheet? :D |
| 01:36:16 | AdventSon128 | lol |
| 01:36:27 | antil33t | yeah |
| 01:36:30 | antil33t | :) i would |
| 01:36:38 | AdventSon128 | well u can always "explore" there system |
| 01:36:44 | antil33t | just ask apple |
| 01:37:15 | Amien | if a number is 2 hours long .. whats the fastest way to get in the middle of the mp3? |
| 01:37:32 | sharpe | hold forward for a little bit |
| 01:38:01 | Amien | with the original ipod .. you can hit middle .. and than scroll to the middle |
| 01:38:17 | scorche | Amien: we do not currently support that feature |
| 01:38:35 | Amien | k |
| 01:39:28 | scorche | although, you can control the rate at whioch you can search forward |
| 01:40:29 | sharpe | oooh. the broadcom chip handles audio recording and playback too... |
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| 01:41:21 | Amien | yap .. cause there is also a microphone addon for the 5g |
| 01:41:53 | AdventSon128 | 1 last noob question for me |
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| 01:42:30 | AdventSon128 | how does the ipodwizard have the ability to change the images of the ipod ? |
| 01:42:46 | sharpe | it edits the images stored in the apple firmware |
| 01:45:04 | AdventSon128 | so is it possible for the sansa to have its images in the firmware ? |
| 01:46:36 | stripwax | it's possible |
| 01:47:45 | stripwax | AdventSon128 - check out a program called ISE (google it) - Image Searching Engine |
| 01:50:09 | AdventSon128 | and this program can help me by ? |
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| 01:51:05 | stripwax | AdventSon128 - by showing you if there are pictures inside a file (sorry, I thought that was what you were asking..) |
| 01:51:48 | AdventSon128 | alright mate thanks |
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| 01:52:49 | AdventSon128 | lol great i find everything else accept for Ise |
| 01:53:00 | AdventSon128 | i find google images and other garbage |
| 01:53:06 | AdventSon128 | but no ise program |
| 01:53:08 | AdventSon128 | lol |
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| 01:55:05 | stripwax | AdventSon128 http://mp3-upgrade.narod.ru/tools/ise103.zip |
| 01:55:22 | AdventSon128 | thanks mate |
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| 01:55:45 | Mikachu | wow that's a fast site :) |
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| 02:03:09 | AdventSon128 | alright stripwax |
| 02:03:16 | AdventSon128 | i opend the firmware in ISe |
| 02:03:24 | sharpe | stripwax left |
| 02:03:30 | AdventSon128 | but all i get is like a heavilt disorted image |
| 02:03:34 | AdventSon128 | damn it |
| 02:05:32 | scorche | AdventSon128: go to http://www.misticriver.net/archive/index.php/t-5366.html |
| 02:05:42 | scorche | and look at stripwax's post in there |
| 02:07:41 | scorche | especially #7 |
| 02:07:48 | Amien | i still got the tagcache not ready msg |
| 02:09:21 | scorche | Amien: if you have a large collection, it can take a bit |
| 02:10:50 | earHertz | anyone with an ipod 4g or video who wants to do some scrolling alpha testing? |
| 02:11:41 | AdventSon128 | wow |
| 02:12:10 | sharpe | earHertz: i would if i had the motivation to. |
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| 02:17:40 | Amien | night all |
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| 02:25:07 | preglow | waht |
| 02:27:40 | AdventSon128 | wondering |
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| 02:27:48 | sigmounte | hello ! |
| 02:27:58 | AdventSon128 | how do u take a fimrware and make it into a .bin file ? |
| 02:28:05 | AdventSon128 | Hello Sigmounte |
| 02:28:19 | preglow | what player? |
| 02:28:26 | sharpe | e200 :) |
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| 02:29:09 | sigmounte | got a strange think today with my ipod nano , after trying the install from linux , i've found that my Nano 2g does not have a partition table , and everything is in /dev/sda directly |
| 02:29:12 | sharpe | hmm. that's nice. |
| 02:29:44 | Mikachu | that is not how it should be, you will get the sad ipod face |
| 02:30:23 | sigmounte | the sad ipod face ? they are some ipod where it is not possible to use rockbox ? |
| 02:30:45 | sharpe | no, when the partition table is screwed, you get a sad ipod. |
| 02:31:06 | sigmounte | something to do about that ? |
| 02:31:16 | sharpe | restore it... |
| 02:31:35 | sigmounte | but it work perfectly in this stat |
| 02:31:45 | Mikachu | sigmounte: what does ls -l /dev/sda show you? |
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| 02:32:31 | sigmounte | joshua:~# ls -l /dev/sda |
| 02:32:31 | sigmounte | brw-rw−−−− 1 root disk 8, 0 2004-07-22 21:54 /dev/sda |
| 02:32:58 | sigmounte | sda is the good device |
| 02:32:59 | Mikachu | hm, that is the device node, not a partition nod |
| 02:33:02 | Mikachu | +e |
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| 02:33:40 | Mikachu | just a spelling correction |
| 02:33:53 | sigmounte | oh yes ls -e /dev/sda ? |
| 02:34:38 | markun | sigmounte: no, nod + e (= node) |
| 02:35:02 | sigmounte | ok |
| 02:35:21 | sigmounte | so after using the restore tool , i 'll have sda1 and sda2 ? |
| 02:37:49 | Mikachu | and you can actually mount /dev/sda? |
| 02:39:11 | sigmounte | not able to mount it |
| 02:39:43 | sigmounte | in windows it find a new hard drive , but ask to format it |
| 02:40:30 | sharpe | yeh, you're best off using the restore utility. |
| 02:40:32 | Mikachu | and what does this say? |
| 02:40:35 | Mikachu | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 02:41:02 | sigmounte | joshua:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 02:41:02 | sigmounte | Disk /dev/sda: 2047 MB, 2047868928 bytes |
| 02:41:02 | sigmounte | 63 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1024 cylinders |
| 02:41:02 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK sigmounte |
| 02:41:02 | sigmounte | Units = cylinders of 3906 * 512 = 1999872 bytes |
| 02:41:02 | sigmounte | Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 02:41:03 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:41:03 | sigmounte | joshua:~# |
| 02:41:33 | sigmounte | sharpe, got the url for the restore utility ? |
| 02:41:44 | Mikachu | that is not the same size as here |
| 02:41:47 | sigmounte | i can't find it on the wiki |
| 02:42:01 | sharpe | sigmounte: it's in the ipod updater utility |
| 02:42:05 | sharpe | from apple |
| 02:42:20 | sigmounte | sharpe, ok must be on my cd |
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| 02:55:48 | sigmounte | ok now working after a restauration |
| 02:55:50 | sigmounte | thanks |
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| 03:08:11 | sharpe | welcome |
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| 03:10:19 | sigmounte | it works :) |
| 03:10:47 | sigmounte | ok i'll continu asking bad question , will it be possible to play video ? |
| 03:18:10 | egotrippen | if someone decides to code it |
| 03:18:23 | egotrippen | i think that's the official answer :) |
| 03:19:45 | sigmounte | ho the pleasure to have streamripper directly send mp3 using usbfs :) |
| 03:20:07 | egotrippen | ha |
| 03:20:17 | egotrippen | i can't believe apple gets away with touting itunes as a feature |
| 03:21:08 | sigmounte | ;) |
| 03:21:21 | egotrippen | i'm kind of interested in the video ipod, now that rockbox is out for it |
| 03:21:24 | egotrippen | because of the video out |
| 03:21:39 | egotrippen | but, some things apple does just doesn't sit right with me |
| 03:22:01 | egotrippen | they're all about, all about propriety software, cables, whatever |
| 03:22:54 | egotrippen | they changed the wiring of their video cables, so the red, white, and yellow plugs only match up on their $20 white video cable |
| 03:23:21 | egotrippen | on a regular one, red is video, white is right audio, yellow is left audio |
| 03:24:30 | sharpe | it's just shifted left one plug. |
| 03:24:36 | Mikachu | um, no? |
| 03:24:38 | sharpe | er. |
| 03:24:40 | sharpe | right. |
| 03:24:43 | Mikachu | red and white are audio, yellow is video |
| 03:25:27 | sharpe | he's talking about when you use a regular cable with the ipod video. |
| 03:25:33 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 03:25:40 | Mikachu | ah |
| 03:25:41 | egotrippen | it's just shifted one peg, but |
| 03:25:59 | egotrippen | if someone didn't know that, they'd think they needed the apple cable |
| 03:26:05 | egotrippen | and not just a $5 regular cable |
| 03:26:21 | egotrippen | i only found out because i was trying to find other mp3 players with video out |
| 03:26:39 | Mikachu | wouldn't you at least always have one audio cable in an audio slot? |
| 03:27:20 | egotrippen | if i had one audio channel working, and i expeted video to be working |
| 03:27:37 | egotrippen | i honestly don't know if i'd think to switch the yellow plug |
| 03:27:48 | Mikachu | if you were lucky you would notice it was only one channel and the wrong one |
| 03:27:51 | egotrippen | and i'm sure many people don't think to |
| 03:28:24 | egotrippen | if i noticed it was the wrong audio channel, maybe, there's a chance |
| 03:28:34 | egotrippen | that i'd think they were all just switched |
| 03:29:08 | egotrippen | but i probably wouldn't notice, especially on a TV show |
| 03:29:33 | egotrippen | and it bothers me they would do something like that just to try and get someone to buy their 'special' cable |
| 03:29:53 | egotrippen | that's really what i'm talking about.. it seems unethical, if though i know about it and won't get screwed by it |
| 03:30:15 | Mikachu | i agree |
| 03:31:04 | egotrippen | on the other hand, it might not stop me from getting an ipod |
| 03:31:04 | egotrippen | lol |
| 03:31:11 | egotrippen | damn capitalism |
| 03:31:44 | egotrippen | it'd cost less to sell my H340 and upgrade to a 60 gig with TV out than to get a 60 gig HD replacement |
| 03:31:47 | Mikachu | it won't stop me from going to bed, good night |
| 03:31:52 | egotrippen | right |
| 03:31:53 | egotrippen | g'night |
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| 03:45:51 | antil33t | hmm |
| 03:45:57 | antil33t | back from town :) |
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| 04:07:07 | * | yawg will now try to install rockbox on his iAudio X5 |
| 04:10:21 | antil33t | heh |
| 04:10:28 | antil33t | i did my 5G ipod yesterday |
| 04:14:29 | yawg | so uh.. where do i find this bootloader patch |
| 04:14:51 | yawg | the instructions say "To do: complete this section for iaudio platforms" |
| 04:15:15 | antil33t | .. (dont ask me) im a noob |
| 04:15:16 | antil33t | lol |
| 04:17:00 | yawg | ok i found it |
| 04:17:03 | sharpe | hmm... i notice no difference between the original bootloader, and my bootloader... i should time the differences. |
| 04:20:43 | sharpe | but i will when i ge back from my visit. |
| 04:21:08 | antil33t | heh just ran doom on my ipod :) |
| 04:21:18 | sharpe | yeah, many of us have. |
| 04:22:05 | antil33t | heh |
| 04:22:18 | antil33t | i love the nerdy text when stuff loads.. its great |
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| 04:49:06 | chendo1 | i'm having some really weird problems with rockbox... it doesn't start playing until it fills the buffer |
| 04:49:20 | chendo1 | i even copied over a firmware that's working fine on my H340 |
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| 05:04:58 | chendo1 | ideas? |
| 05:04:59 | Presence | that "transit" theme for ipod video is great. |
| 05:09:06 | sharpe | chendol: what player? |
| 05:09:18 | sharpe | chendo1, i mean. |
| 05:11:18 | chendo1 | H320 |
| 05:11:19 | chendo1 | was US |
| 05:12:21 | sharpe | has it always done it? |
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| 05:14:02 | chendo1 | no clue, i only flashed it last night |
| 05:14:16 | ashridah | tried completely resetting the config? (can't you hold rec while it's booting to get it to nuke the settings sector? ) |
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| 05:30:10 | chendo1 | ashridah: tried that, no difference |
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| 05:30:16 | chendo1 | and yeah, i go into the buffer thing |
| 05:30:18 | chendo1 | press play |
| 05:30:24 | chendo1 | it loads -all- the way before it starts playing |
| 05:30:33 | chendo1 | and i copied the firmware from my own iriver |
| 05:31:30 | yawg | wow, that was painless (just installed rockbox on an iAudio X5L) |
| 05:31:38 | yawg | love it |
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| 05:33:09 | ashridah | chendo: that's really weird. not something i've ever seen on a H1xx |
| 05:33:09 | sharpe | uh ohs. |
| 05:33:13 | sharpe | i've got to fix the wiki. |
| 05:33:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fix the wiki? |
| 05:33:21 | ashridah | maybe one of the devs will know better soon |
| 05:33:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | And, what problem is chendo1 having? |
| 05:33:44 | sharpe | someone accidentally removed a large portion of IpodInstallation |
| 05:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ouch |
| 05:33:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | The person trying to add the plug for the installer? |
| 05:34:13 | sharpe | yep. |
| 05:34:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | =/ |
| 05:34:26 | sharpe | i'll go ahead and fix it |
| 05:34:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | People seem adept at breaking the wiki |
| 05:34:43 | sharpe | yes... |
| 05:38:52 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 05:38:57 | sharpe | forgot my login for the wiki. |
| 05:39:15 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: his H3xx doesn't start playing until it's buffered data |
| 05:39:25 | ashridah | finished buffering data, rather |
| 05:40:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there anything abnormal about it at all (changed HD, or anything)? |
| 05:41:13 | sharpe | there, fixed. |
| 05:43:03 | sharpe | ah, somebody remove that guy from the wiki users? |
| 05:44:28 | earHertz | I do beleive I have code that will handle ipod sccelrated scrolling |
| 05:45:29 | midkay | sharpe, why? |
| 05:45:59 | sharpe | midkay: which ? |
| 05:46:09 | midkay | "someone remove him". |
| 05:46:19 | sharpe | asking if anyone had. |
| 05:46:29 | sharpe | because it seems someone did |
| 05:46:41 | midkay | maybe "did somebody remove him?" would be smarter than "somebody remove him?". |
| 05:46:48 | sharpe | meh. |
| 05:46:51 | midkay | clearer, at least.. |
| 05:46:56 | sharpe | he was already removed by the time i wrote it :) |
| 05:47:12 | midkay | so indeed a 'did' would make things clearer. |
| 05:47:22 | sharpe | in my mind it was clear. hah. |
| 05:47:28 | midkay | ha.. |
| 05:47:52 | sharpe | midkay, do you still use that bootloader i sent you? |
| 05:47:59 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:48:09 | sharpe | do you notice any difference? |
| 05:48:15 | midkay | with..? |
| 05:48:16 | sharpe | er, in speed of loading-wise? |
| 05:48:24 | midkay | not really.. |
| 05:48:29 | sharpe | i don't either. |
| 05:48:44 | sharpe | i was just wondering. |
| 05:48:51 | midkay | it seems like it may take a little longer to read the settings + apply them, but if that, not noticeable at all really.. |
| 05:49:21 | sharpe | if anything, you get to see your name for a split second longer. :-D |
| 05:50:22 | midkay | well, not necessarily, since the slowdown should only be in loading the settings.. while the apple logo is still there. |
| 05:50:40 | sharpe | i'll check what code i wrote... :) |
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| 05:52:07 | chendo1 | whoops |
| 05:52:09 | chendo1 | trying to fix it here |
| 05:52:12 | chendo1 | but yeah... |
| 05:52:23 | chendo1 | it doesn't start playing until the buffer is filled |
| 05:52:29 | chendo1 | and it acts like it's frozen and stuff... |
| 05:52:35 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 05:52:37 | chendo1 | should i nuke .rockbox and copy a working one over? |
| 05:52:54 | sharpe | why do i have lcd_clear_display() run when it loads the fgcolor/bgcolor? |
| 05:54:26 | midkay | because it's necessary? |
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| 05:54:52 | sharpe | i mean, why not at the end? |
| 05:54:59 | midkay | at the end of...? |
| 05:55:05 | sharpe | the loading of the settings? |
| 05:55:06 | chendo1 | any ideas? |
| 05:55:11 | midkay | the colors must be set, then the lcd cleared, then the lcd updated. |
| 05:55:18 | midkay | doesn't matter where, of course, just in that general order. |
| 05:55:35 | sharpe | yeah, but in this case, it's, color set, cleared, color set, cleared, updated. |
| 05:55:53 | sharpe | i'm just asking myself this. :D |
| 05:56:21 | midkay | ah.. |
| 05:57:22 | sharpe | i'm going on a trip tomorrow... |
| 05:57:28 | sharpe | go me! |
| 05:58:08 | sharpe | and i won't even bother with trying to do something with rockbox. |
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| 06:30:29 | midkay | laters, sharpe. |
| 06:30:36 | sharpe | later everyone |
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| 09:23:14 | tongas | hi, any news from H300 battery issue (USB OTG chip) ? |
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| 09:29:07 | thePianoMan | is that still an issue that 3.0 is waiting on? |
| 09:29:17 | petur | tongas: ask amiconn when he comes in... |
| 09:29:28 | B4gder | I |
| 09:29:37 | B4gder | 'm sure we'll all get to know when there is progress |
| 09:29:40 | petur | thePianoMan: one of, there are other things |
| 09:30:11 | * | petur waits for a w0000t post of amiconn ;) |
| 09:30:29 | thePianoMan | i'm looking in the 3.0 bug tracker at the moment for stuff i can do, but i only have an ipod 5g and most are for the iriver players |
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| 09:34:03 | petur | thePianoMan: correction, most are playback (swcodec) related - mostly same code for ipod and iriver |
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| 09:37:45 | LinusN | regarding the default wps discussion yesterday, i think we should have different default fonts for different targets |
| 09:38:05 | LinusN | i'd like 12 and 16 pixel versions of the default font |
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| 09:40:52 | tongas | amiconn: are you here ? |
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| 09:44:46 | * | petur spots evidence that amiconn got out of bed |
| 09:45:25 | B4gder | you got him showing up on your amiconntracker device as well? |
| 09:45:53 | petur | my amiconntracker is called mailbox :) |
| 09:46:04 | B4gder | now now, don't ruin the fun |
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| 09:55:19 | merbanan | B4gder: regarding mi4 files, is the entrypoint known ? |
| 09:56:05 | B4gder | it looks like the ARM exception vectors are at 0x200 |
| 09:56:19 | B4gder | but other than so I don't know |
| 09:56:42 | B4gder | there might be H10 users who know more |
| 09:58:18 | merbanan | THUMB or regular arm ? |
| 09:58:37 | B4gder | regular |
| 09:59:11 | B4gder | arm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm [mi4file] |
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| 10:41:38 | tucoz | LinusN: you mean having the same font for different targets, only in different sizes? |
| 10:42:15 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:42:47 | tucoz | that would be nice. But, I don't think that is very usefull in sizes > 12 |
| 10:42:52 | tucoz | as it is now |
| 10:43:22 | LinusN | the 8 pixel font is really tiny on the 5g |
| 10:43:29 | tucoz | :) |
| 10:44:54 | tucoz | rasher has the 12pt version on the bottom of this page http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/ |
| 10:45:19 | tucoz | That works fine on the h1xx at least |
| 10:45:20 | markun | The default font is clR6x8, there are also clR6x12.bdf, clR7x12.bdf and clR8x16.bdf |
| 10:46:54 | tucoz | but the 16 pt version isn't very complete (in terms of characters, I don't know what it's called.) |
| 10:46:58 | tucoz | ? |
| 10:48:06 | markun | tucoz: ah yes, only 128 glyphs (for all the clR8x.. fonts) |
| 10:48:56 | tucoz | so glyph is the proper name for character? |
| 10:49:02 | tucoz | when talking about fonts |
| 10:49:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 10:49:40 | tucoz | ok |
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| 10:58:07 | linuxstb | Anyone know the wiki user YolandaTeo, and why he/she appears to have uploaded ipodpatcher.exe to the IpodInstallation wiki page? |
| 10:58:28 | linuxstb | (and worryingly, 6 weeks ago...) |
| 10:58:43 | petur | uh-oh |
| 10:58:44 | linuxstb | s/6/5/ |
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| 11:00:16 | linuxstb | md5sum seems to match my build, so it seems OK. |
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| 11:00:40 | tucoz | hehe, that was just what me and Paul_The_Nerd was arguing about |
| 11:01:00 | petur | still scary...can we disable uploading executables to the wiki? |
| 11:01:13 | linuxstb | We probably should host them somewhere else. |
| 11:01:14 | tucoz | that we should keep the patchers/installers in a safe area |
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| 11:09:25 | chendo1 | so... rockbox is still not playing on my H320 US until it fills the buffer? |
| 11:09:52 | B4gder | until it fills the buffer? |
| 11:13:07 | markun | chendo1: rockbox starts playing only after the buffer fill is completed? |
| 11:13:13 | chendo1 | yes |
| 11:13:23 | chendo1 | i've checked with the audio thread in the debug menu |
| 11:13:26 | chendo1 | really weird. |
| 11:13:34 | markun | yes |
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| 11:13:59 | markun | normal build with no patches? |
| 11:14:36 | chendo1 | no, actually... |
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| 11:14:55 | chendo1 | it's a H300 experimental, but the thing is it's the exact same firmware that's working on a H340 int that i have |
| 11:15:30 | markun | Can you check if unpatched rockbox has the same problem? |
| 11:20:33 | chendo1 | i will |
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| 11:22:16 | amiconn | petur: [09:30:10] * petur waits for a w0000t post of amiconn ;) <== I'm afraid that won't happen for a good while :( |
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| 11:22:38 | petur | oh... what's up? |
| 11:22:42 | amiconn | Thing is, I do initialise all the supposed-to-be usbotg related gpio pins the same way as iriver |
| 11:23:28 | amiconn | Then I try sending both the DC and the HC to sleep, as per embedded programming guide + some info from the disassembly |
| 11:23:43 | amiconn | However, the HC just refuses to go to sleep :( |
| 11:24:33 | amiconn | I write 0x06c0 to HC_CONTROL, but the chip doesn't seem to like that |
| 11:24:51 | amiconn | I can still access all HC registers, and when reading back HC_CONTROL, I get 0x0600 |
| 11:25:48 | petur | I *may* have some time this weekend - you have a patch available? ;) Also, if Linus can confirm power consumtion is already reduced a lot, maybe you can commit what you have so far? |
| 11:26:01 | amiconn | Either we're still missing something stupid about the ports (LinusN? Any news about gpios?)... |
| 11:26:15 | LinusN | amiconn: haven't had time to work on it |
| 11:26:55 | chendo1 | i've got no clue how you guys do things, but is it possible to do something like get some multimeter thing |
| 11:26:56 | petur | something is probably waking up the HC after you send it to sleep |
| 11:27:05 | chendo1 | and measure the voltage on the pins or something? ;/ |
| 11:27:05 | amiconn | ...or the chip needs to be properly initialised before it's possible to send it to sleep, i.e. the USB_RESET -> USB_SUSPEND transition might be invalid/forbidden/whatever |
| 11:27:14 | chendo1 | on the normal firmware |
| 11:27:18 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:27:41 | amiconn | The ISP1362 has 2 pins that indicate whether the DC and/or the HC is sleeping |
| 11:28:27 | amiconn | petur: In retailos, there's a long & complex function sequence called between port initialisation and the send-to-sleep sequence |
| 11:28:50 | amiconn | I tried following that, but with no positive result so far |
| 11:29:56 | chendo1 | well, a daily build runs fine ;o |
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| 11:30:50 | petur | it's been a while since I studied the iriver code :/ |
| 11:32:04 | amiconn | sub_0_310B0664 |
| 11:32:14 | chendo1 | this is probably a stupid question, but since there's coldfire emulators, is there a way to run the iriver firmware in a simulator? |
| 11:33:00 | linuxstb | I don't believe the available emulators emulate the type of coldfire inside the iriver. You would also need to emulate the rest of the hardware... |
| 11:33:04 | amiconn | This function (which calls a shitload of nested sub-function) seems to init the usbotg controller, and returns 0 on success |
| 11:33:29 | amiconn | If (and only if) it returns 0, the send-to-sleep sequence is executed |
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| 11:35:17 | chendo1 | do you guys use IDA to disassemble? |
| 11:35:39 | petur | yes |
| 11:36:00 | petur | chendo1: care to help a bit? ;) |
| 11:36:38 | chendo1 | i have almost 0 experience with assembly :p |
| 11:38:31 | chendo1 | and i'm not home at the moment... |
| 11:38:52 | petur | that's ok, I'm not either :D |
| 11:39:46 | amiconn | Most of the iriver fw seems to be -O0 code |
| 11:40:39 | petur | and mov reg1 -> reg2 reg2 -> reg1 bloat ;) |
| 11:42:03 | amiconn | Not only regx->regy, but also regx->mem; mem->regy |
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| 11:43:28 | * | petur slaps platform builder for being so damn slow |
| 11:44:05 | chendo1 | -O0 code is good though yeah? |
| 11:44:13 | chendo1 | i'd actually be interested to have a look |
| 11:44:31 | chendo1 | if someone can tell me what settings i use when i get home |
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| 12:15:38 | tucoz | pdftohtml of the manual. not very good. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/pdftohtml/rockbox-build.html |
| 12:16:06 | ashridah | uh, isn't there latex2html ? |
| 12:16:11 | ashridah | wouldn't it be better to go from the source? |
| 12:16:38 | tucoz | ashridah, yes. But we have some 'custom' packages, like optional etc |
| 12:16:48 | tucoz | that latex2html doesn't handle very well |
| 12:17:29 | tucoz | I am just trying some different optiona |
| 12:17:31 | tucoz | s |
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| 12:29:14 | antil33t | srah? |
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| 12:46:53 | Jungti1234 | ho |
| 12:46:54 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 12:49:28 | Jungti1234 | http://cafe.naver.com/iriverb10/1053 |
| 12:49:29 | Jungti1234 | inside B10 |
| 12:51:07 | markun | Jungti1234: I updated the E10 wiki page |
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| 12:51:55 | antil33t | is there any way to donate without using pay-pal? |
| 12:52:59 | tucoz | send cash to Zagor :) |
| 12:53:53 | antil33t | heh and what country does he live in? |
| 12:53:59 | tucoz | Sweden |
| 12:55:33 | antil33t | oh thats about... a while away |
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| 12:55:39 | antil33t | hope hed take NZD |
| 12:56:05 | ScoTTie_ | maybe he'll take a sheep instead? ;p |
| 12:56:29 | tucoz | Ah, Rockbox needs a pet. The Rockbox Sheep :) |
| 12:56:54 | antil33t | hmm |
| 12:57:07 | antil33t | ill see next time im at my mates place if i can get a pic of a sheep |
| 12:57:18 | antil33t | and write on it the rockbox sheep |
| 12:57:28 | tucoz | antil33t, you can ask B4gder, LinusN or Zagor if it is possible to donate in some way |
| 12:57:38 | Jungti1234 | markun: ok |
| 12:57:50 | antil33t | hmm its just im not old enough to have a credit card :P |
| 12:57:50 | tucoz | other than pay-pal |
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| 12:58:28 | tucoz | ok. But, you could contribute to Rockbox in other ways |
| 12:58:34 | antil33t | yes |
| 12:58:47 | antil33t | like giving preshus hard drive space away |
| 12:59:02 | tucoz | or set up a build server |
| 12:59:16 | tucoz | help out with the manual, fix bugs etc |
| 12:59:21 | antil33t | oh yep |
| 12:59:22 | antil33t | sure |
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| 13:00:16 | tucoz | All contributions are welcome |
| 13:01:04 | antil33t | like sheep :P |
| 13:01:30 | tucoz | :) |
| 13:03:34 | antil33t | heh i wuv rockbox |
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| 13:06:30 | antil33t | does rockbox overclock your ipod aswell> |
| 13:06:46 | tucoz | no, rockbox doesn't overclock on any platform |
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| 13:09:58 | amiconn | tucoz: r u sure? |
| 13:10:10 | amiconn | On archos, we overclock the MAS when pitching up |
| 13:10:21 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:10:25 | tucoz | didn't know that |
| 13:10:28 | amiconn | Though you're right that we don't overclock the main CPU on any platform |
| 13:11:45 | tucoz | yes, that was what I had in mind. Have to say, I wasn't too sure about the archoses though |
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| 13:12:03 | amiconn | The archos CPU clock is fixed, nothing we can do about it |
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| 13:12:22 | tucoz | ok |
| 13:12:27 | amiconn | We could overclock on iriver, iaudio and ipod |
| 13:12:39 | amiconn | ..but there's no point in doing so |
| 13:12:51 | amiconn | We want to save power, not waste it |
| 13:12:51 | Mikachu | 3d spectrum analyzers! |
| 13:13:08 | tucoz | and perhaps make it unstable |
| 13:13:36 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: Why not just "Spectrum analyzers" ? |
| 13:13:52 | Mikachu | it was not an entirely serious statement |
| 13:13:54 | tucoz | aren't the irivers underclocked even when boosting? |
| 13:14:41 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: Hehe, I know...but a simple spectrum analyzer would be possible, I thin... |
| 13:14:45 | Genre9mp3 | think |
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| 13:16:16 | Genre9mp3 | We already have an Oscilloscope |
| 13:16:53 | amiconn | tucoz: That's actually unclear. The MCF5249 is specced up to 120MHz in one package, and up to 140MHz in the BGA package iriver used. |
| 13:17:21 | [San] | does anyone think that a plugin to show the waveform of an mp3 file would be hard? |
| 13:17:34 | amiconn | But (1) at least some of them have a hand-written "120" on them, and (2) according to LinusN the iriver doesn't run stable at 140MHz |
| 13:18:02 | amiconn | So it might be that we actually overclock - very slightly |
| 13:18:11 | tucoz | 124MHz? |
| 13:18:14 | amiconn | yes |
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| 13:21:05 | linuxstb | [San]: Do you mean the waveform of the currently playing audio, or just from an MP3 file on the disk? |
| 13:22:45 | [San] | currently |
| 13:24:18 | linuxstb | Isn't that what the oscilloscope plugin does? |
| 13:25:12 | [San] | oh |
| 13:25:21 | * | [San] doesn't have the oscilloscope plugin |
| 13:25:28 | [San] | i am using an old build |
| 13:25:38 | [San] | all the patches work |
| 13:26:02 | [San] | but, is the oscilloscope plugin just a peak meter or does it show it? |
| 13:26:52 | * | linuxstb waits for someone who knows more about the oscilloscope plugin to reply... |
| 13:27:15 | ashridah | it supports a few different modes from memory |
| 13:27:29 | Mikachu | it's works like a slow oscilloscope |
| 13:27:40 | tucoz | [San], there is a screenshot in the manual http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 13:27:47 | [San] | thanks |
| 13:27:57 | ashridah | but it only changes the way it draws it, not what it draws |
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| 13:28:10 | amiconn | Oscilloscope doesn't show the actual waveform, it shows the amplitude envelope |
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| 13:28:37 | [San] | ah, that looks like what I need |
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| 13:40:09 | tucoz | is it possible to raname a page in the wiki? I am thinking about the mi4 page |
| 13:40:13 | tucoz | rename |
| 13:40:44 | LinusN | use the "more" link |
| 13:40:49 | tucoz | ok |
| 13:41:06 | LinusN | btw Mi4Format is not a wiki word either :-) |
| 13:41:16 | LinusN | looks like it doesn't like numbers |
| 13:41:22 | tucoz | hmm |
| 13:41:30 | LinusN | (just tried myself) |
| 13:41:46 | tucoz | so I noticed |
| 13:42:27 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/WikiWord |
| 13:42:46 | tucoz | it says that optional lowercase or uppercase letter(s) or number(s) is allowed |
| 13:43:29 | tucoz | FileFormatMI4 works |
| 13:43:42 | LinusN | nice |
| 13:44:07 | tucoz | aha, so it has to be UpperLowerUpper |
| 13:44:28 | tucoz | followed by the optional characters/nubmers |
| 13:44:30 | tucoz | numbers |
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| 14:15:36 | B4gder | you gonna rename it? |
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| 14:26:09 | tucoz | I thought LinusN was going to, as the topic was locked. |
| 14:26:24 | tucoz | oh, it is renamed now |
| 14:26:34 | B4gder | goodie |
| 14:26:58 | B4gder | I have four different mi4 files now |
| 14:27:13 | tucoz | a nice collection |
| 14:28:44 | B4gder | it also shows flaws in the current wiki page ;-) |
| 14:29:08 | tucoz | hows that? |
| 14:29:24 | B4gder | I'll update it soonish with more findings |
| 14:29:35 | tucoz | ok |
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| 14:31:31 | B4gder | od is my friend |
| 14:32:58 | tucoz | a linux distro is not only an os, it also provides you with lots of friends |
| 14:33:21 | B4gder | indeed! |
| 14:33:25 | LinusN | amen |
| 14:33:25 | tucoz | nice little fellas that come in handy when you need them |
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| 14:34:13 | linuxstb | B4gder: Are the .mi4 files distributed within a Windows .exe, and that program is used to write the .mi4 files to the device's hard drive? |
| 14:34:55 | B4gder | in the sansa case, yes |
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| 14:35:34 | linuxstb | Have you looked inside the .exe for the contents of the mi4 files? |
| 14:35:45 | B4gder | no |
| 14:36:10 | linuxstb | I'm curious to know if they are the same as the ones written to the device. |
| 14:36:26 | B4gder | a very good thought |
| 14:36:32 | B4gder | the exe is much bigger |
| 14:36:47 | B4gder | 11.5MB |
| 14:36:58 | B4gder | while the mi4 is 5.4 |
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| 14:37:28 | tucoz | not fw-oriented, but an open source project for the h10 http://easyh10.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:37:35 | linuxstb | They are possibly just resources inside the .exe |
| 14:39:12 | tucoz | and here are some links that could be worth checking out, as they make it possible to change fonts and bitmaps on the h10 http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=29095 |
| 14:40:25 | tucoz | http://iriver.wikia.com/wiki/H10 |
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| 14:44:11 | tucoz | maybe the h10 info could be used for the other .mi4 files as well |
| 14:46:23 | Zagor | there are some pretty good artists working on wpses these days |
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| 14:49:11 | B4gder | Zagor: indeed |
| 14:49:14 | gpoo | does the ipod mini or such with rocbox interface with pioneer |
| 14:49:19 | gpoo | unit |
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| 14:54:59 | tucoz | http://www.paul.sladen.org/toys/samsung-yh-925/ <- page about .mi4 on samsungs |
| 14:55:02 | Zagor | gpoo: define "interface" |
| 14:55:21 | B4gder | tucoz: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 14:55:29 | B4gder | I do link to most of those pages already |
| 14:55:55 | tucoz | ah. ok |
| 14:56:20 | tucoz | oh, you have been busy ;-) |
| 14:57:26 | petur | B4gder: that page is already linked to from wikipedia ;) |
| 14:57:33 | B4gder | :-) |
| 14:59:36 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
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| 15:00:33 | linuxstb | B4gder: When I run e200fw01.00.12.exe under Wine, it creates a temporary folder in /tmp called pft423.tmp before complaining I'm missing some MFC DLLs. That temporary folder contains two other folders - SKU_A and SKU_E, each with a pair of BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom and PP5022.mi4 files. The two BL* files are identical, but the two PP5022.mi4 files differ in size. |
| 15:00:51 | B4gder | aha |
| 15:00:56 | linuxstb | 2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 SKU_A/PP5022.mi4 |
| 15:00:56 | linuxstb | 86db01ed5175f2e18ff833baa9f2660c SKU_E/PP5022.mi4 |
| 15:01:13 | B4gder | 2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 PP5022.mi4 |
| 15:01:28 | B4gder | america europe? |
| 15:01:32 | linuxstb | :) There's also a "FWUpdater.exe" application |
| 15:01:43 | B4gder | mine is an american model |
| 15:01:54 | linuxstb | Sounds logical then. |
| 15:02:01 | Mikachu | isn't it very odd that they aren't sending any docs? |
| 15:02:48 | B4gder | not really |
| 15:02:53 | Jungti1234 | oh tucoz |
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| 15:07:53 | B4gder | "Welcome to Recovery Mode" |
| 15:08:03 | B4gder | (from the e200's BL* file) |
| 15:08:15 | tucoz | Jungti1234, yes |
| 15:08:33 | Jungti1234 | What program is it? |
| 15:08:38 | Jungti1234 | EasyH10? |
| 15:08:46 | linuxstb | One thing all these references to "PP5022" probably means is that the PP5024 is register-compatible with all the other PP502x chips. We know the PP5020, PP5021 and PP5022 are all compatible with each other already. |
| 15:09:03 | tucoz | Jungti1234, the link? I just tried to find some information on the portal player firmwares |
| 15:09:15 | Jungti1234 | H10 firmware? |
| 15:09:34 | B4gder | linuxstb: yeah, sounds very likely |
| 15:09:35 | tucoz | Jungti1234, EasyH10 is an open source program that lets you update your H10 (database) from Linux for instance |
| 15:09:51 | tucoz | Jungti1234, maybe the firmware also |
| 15:09:54 | Jungti1234 | ok |
| 15:09:56 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 15:10:09 | tucoz | Jungti1234, but it's not a firmware replacement like rockbox :) |
| 15:10:22 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
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| 15:11:41 | tucoz | seem like that sansa connection has fired off some interest for the pp chipsets at least |
| 15:11:52 | gpoo | Zagor you know ipod is controlled by in dash radio |
| 15:12:30 | linuxstb | gpoo: Rockbox doesn't support Apple's accessory protocol yet. |
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| 15:12:44 | tucoz | "the curious hackers over at rockbox can not resist trying to port their firmware to our player. let us send some players over and see what happens" ;-) |
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| 15:15:47 | B4gder | surely you meant "the crazy kids at Rockbox" :-) |
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| 15:16:45 | linuxstb | B4gder: That header at the start of the .mi4 file looks suspciously like the ipod firmware partition header - I'm sure it will contain things like firmware length, load address, entry point and a checksum. |
| 15:17:10 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads.txt |
| 15:17:11 | linuxstb | The ipod format is documented here: http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware |
| 15:17:56 | * | linuxstb prefers the output of xxd... |
| 15:18:23 | B4gder | hm, didn't even realize I had that ;-) |
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| 15:21:20 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads2.txt |
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| 15:27:14 | linuxstb | The SKU_E version of PP5022.mi4: http://pastebin.com/712905 (filesize: 5363712 bytes) |
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| 15:34:19 | B4gder | the wo bytes at offset 0x0A and 0x16 are always identical |
| 15:34:22 | B4gder | two |
| 15:34:39 | Amien | any ideas? i'v deleted my idtagfiles .. i force a tagcache .. i wait like 30-40 min (only 5mb filled on my ipod) .. still busy caching id-tags message .. when i reboot the ipod .. and my old id-tag files are back |
| 15:35:45 | Slasheri | es, you need to reboot before you can use tagcache for the first time |
| 15:35:48 | Slasheri | +y |
| 15:36:01 | tucoz | there is something called the "aldi pod" as well. A german ipod clone with pp chipset |
| 15:36:12 | Amien | ah .. so delete .. reboot .. and then force cache? |
| 15:36:31 | linuxstb | Well, the 32-bit LE number at 0x0014 is the filesize of the .mi4 (for both the e200 images). |
| 15:36:40 | petur | tucoz: It sold very well and the firmware sucked big time |
| 15:36:46 | Slasheri | mm, delete, reboot, force tagcache update, wait until disxk spins down and reboot |
| 15:36:53 | Slasheri | then it should work |
| 15:36:56 | Amien | k .. gonne try |
| 15:36:56 | tucoz | not sure if their fw is downloadable, as aldi is some sorts of german super marker chain |
| 15:36:57 | Amien | tnx |
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| 15:37:26 | petur | tucoz: it was made by medion (www.medion.de I think) |
| 15:37:38 | tucoz | yes, I just found out |
| 15:37:43 | petur | :) |
| 15:38:20 | petur | I almost bought one when it came out |
| 15:38:26 | B4gder | linuxstb: for the others too |
| 15:39:10 | B4gder | 0x10 can be very well be the start address |
| 15:39:19 | B4gder | hm no |
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| 15:40:06 | B4gder | 0x18 holds 0x200 LE so that might be it |
| 15:40:14 | linuxstb | The 0x00000200 at 0x0018 could be the entry point - the first vector is the reset vector IIRC. |
| 15:40:26 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:40:28 | linuxstb | as you said.. |
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| 15:49:37 | tucoz | http://www.cybertec.demon.nl/medion/firmware/Firmware1.4.2.zip <- firmware for the medion jukebox (portal player) |
| 15:50:50 | petur | hey, another mi4 file ;) |
| 15:51:03 | * | B4gder gets it |
| 15:51:40 | petur | a coworker once bought an aldipod for his parents, I'll check if they still use it :) |
| 15:51:51 | tucoz | :) |
| 15:52:27 | B4gder | there's obviously two kinds of mi4 files |
| 15:52:29 | tucoz | you can visit your coworkers parents and "borrow" it and see if the miss it |
| 15:52:33 | B4gder | one with big header and one with small |
| 15:52:35 | tucoz | they |
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| 15:53:43 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads2.txt <= now with six mi4 headers |
| 15:53:50 | linuxstb | B4gder: That's probably the version number at 0x0004 - 0x0102 is small, 0x0103 is big... |
| 15:53:56 | B4gder | I think so too |
| 15:54:00 | petur | more files: http://www.virginelectronics.com/downloads.htm |
| 15:54:55 | petur | and an interesting link: http://solonweb.free.fr/tech.htm |
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| 15:57:55 | tucoz | It is possible that the Rca (Thomson) Lyra players also use pp |
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| 15:58:36 | B4gder | at least some of them use tms320 |
| 15:58:40 | linuxstb | B4gder: The 4 bytes starting at 0x000c could be the checksum... |
| 15:59:06 | tucoz | Portal Player lists Thomson (RCA) as one of their customers |
| 15:59:14 | B4gder | aha |
| 15:59:32 | tucoz | http://www.portalplayer.com/customers/index.html |
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| 16:00:21 | crashd | how's the reversing coming B4gder ? :) |
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| 16:02:31 | B4gder | well, we seem to have figured out a few bits at least ;-) |
| 16:02:52 | B4gder | only 30 million left |
| 16:03:02 | tucoz | haha |
| 16:03:44 | tucoz | you should bribe stripwax to figure those out |
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| 16:11:42 | B4gder | offset 0x08 is always a number near the file size |
| 16:12:44 | linuxstb | I noticed that as well. |
| 16:16:23 | B4gder | the file sizes is always an even 0x400 size |
| 16:16:49 | B4gder | 0x08 might be the actual data content |
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| 16:43:18 | webguest43 | hello |
| 16:43:37 | webguest43 | hello anyone |
| 16:43:45 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 16:43:50 | lou | hello |
| 16:43:58 | webguest43 | i need help with doom it says missing wad |
| 16:44:06 | webguest43 | ? |
| 16:44:13 | lou | you miss the wad file |
| 16:44:45 | webguest43 | i installed the zip file like it says and it is in my ipod under rocks |
| 16:44:48 | lou | you need the original wad files in order to get it to work |
| 16:44:55 | lou | doom.wad |
| 16:44:59 | lou | doom2.wad |
| 16:45:01 | lou | etc |
| 16:45:10 | bluebrother | they need to be in /games/doom |
| 16:45:31 | bluebrother | like described in the manual / wiki |
| 16:45:38 | lou | ya |
| 16:46:04 | webguest43 | ty |
| 16:46:12 | webguest43 | i go try that |
| 16:46:35 | lou | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom#Getting_Started |
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| 16:50:11 | webguest43 | ow many wads are there because some do not have a url |
| 16:52:21 | lou | they are the original gamewads |
| 16:52:32 | lou | the ones that came with the original doom |
| 16:52:34 | lou | you need those |
| 16:53:01 | lou | they are not released yet under the 'abandoned software' policy hence are still copyrighted |
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| 16:56:56 | Jungti1234 | bye |
| 16:57:19 | Jungti1234 | E10's picture may do upload tomorrow. |
| 16:57:30 | webguest43 | still not working |
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| 16:57:50 | webguest43 | help! |
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| 17:00:41 | webguest93 | webguest43: what do you need help with? |
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| 17:12:55 | webguest43 | hello |
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| 17:13:28 | webguest43 | how do i get to apple firmware ? |
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| 17:13:40 | webguest43 | hello |
| 17:13:44 | webguest43 | anyone there |
| 17:14:00 | SevenIsPrime | yes |
| 17:14:02 | SevenIsPrime | I am |
| 17:14:11 | webguest43 | hello |
| 17:14:19 | SevenIsPrime | hello :) |
| 17:14:25 | webguest43 | do u know how to get to apples firmware |
| 17:14:27 | PaulJam | webguest43: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 17:14:43 | SevenIsPrime | it is all downloadable at http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 17:14:55 | SevenIsPrime | or do you mean the original firmware? |
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| 17:15:25 | webguest43 | ife saver |
| 17:15:29 | webguest43 | life |
| 17:15:38 | webguest43 | thanks man |
| 17:16:52 | SevenIsPrime | Anybody interested in a port to the Samsung YP-Z5xxx player(s)? |
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| 17:19:14 | tucoz | SevenIsPrime, you have one? |
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| 17:29:07 | hardeep | hmmm, wps bitmap loading on archos recorder is really slow |
| 17:29:24 | hardeep | boot time with iCatcher wps went from 8s to 27s |
| 17:29:40 | amiconn | wps bitmap loading is slow on all targets |
| 17:29:54 | hardeep | the boot time was negligible on ipod |
| 17:30:02 | hardeep | h100/h300/ondio added about 3s |
| 17:30:11 | amiconn | On H300, iCatcher causes a very notable delay |
| 17:30:21 | hardeep | went from 8s to 11s for me |
| 17:30:26 | hardeep | on h300 |
| 17:30:46 | hardeep | 6->9 on h100, 3->5 on ondio |
| 17:31:20 | amiconn | I think the load delay is mainly caused by the many seeks |
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| 17:31:27 | hardeep | personally, i think those numbers are okay... you can always change wps if you want faster boot time |
| 17:31:30 | amiconn | so it depends on how fragmented the disk is |
| 17:31:33 | hardeep | it's the archos recorder one that's bad |
| 17:31:49 | amiconn | On Ondio, seek doesn't matter, because it's flash based |
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| 17:32:12 | amiconn | ..but reading is slow, so you still see the 2 seconds increase |
| 17:32:21 | hardeep | yeah |
| 17:32:48 | amiconn | You could try a full defragmentation of the recorder, and then check again |
| 17:32:49 | hardeep | i also agree with pixelma that it doesn't look all that great on ondio currently... will wait for his update |
| 17:32:58 | amiconn | I'd expect a vast reduction in boot time |
| 17:33:10 | amiconn | _her_ update... |
| 17:33:14 | hardeep | hmmm, good point... i've been meaning to format/re-install anyways |
| 17:34:14 | amiconn | This is why I still think the wps should support combined bitmaps |
| 17:34:36 | hardeep | agreed |
| 17:34:43 | hardeep | did someone release a patch for that? |
| 17:34:51 | Mikachu | i thought you decided to use tar? |
| 17:34:58 | amiconn | Making combined bitmaps mandatory will make developing a wps harder, so the loader should support both ways |
| 17:35:22 | amiconn | Using tar would be another option, but that adds an extra layer to the loader |
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| 17:36:03 | amiconn | I guess some comparison tests are due... |
| 17:36:55 | amiconn | Hmm, anyone using iCatcher on nano? |
| 17:37:19 | hardeep | i just tried ipod video |
| 17:37:31 | Mikachu | i was just about to try it amiconn |
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| 17:38:43 | amiconn | hardeep: I asked for nano for a reason... flash disk |
| 17:39:07 | amiconn | I expect the added boot time to be neglectible on nano |
| 17:39:59 | Mikachu | i didn't notice any extra delay, but i already had a bmp background in my wps before |
| 17:40:26 | amiconn | Hmm, could you compare boot time w/ default wps and boot time w/ icatcher? |
| 17:40:47 | Mikachu | i don't see the point of that stupid spinning thing when paused though |
| 17:40:48 | Mikachu | :) |
| 17:41:53 | hardeep | amiconn: ah, okay |
| 17:42:06 | Mikachu | with rockbox_default, it is 7 seconds from pressing menu until i hear music in the headphones |
| 17:42:17 | hardeep | the interesting thing is that the difference in time was negligible on ipod video |
| 17:42:52 | Mikachu | exactly the same with icatcher |
| 17:42:54 | amiconn | hardeep: Yeah, maybe that's less fragmented |
| 17:43:32 | Mikachu | but i won't use it, because 6+12x13 doesn't fit |
| 17:44:53 | linuxstb | hardeep: I've noticed the ipod video has a very fast disk compared to my ipod 4g and h140. |
| 17:45:04 | linuxstb | (30GB ipod video) |
| 17:45:05 | amiconn | I think it's a fragmentation issue. Loading 40+ bitmaps which are scattered all over the disk will take a while |
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| 17:47:23 | hardeep | well, it looks like my changes to select a different default theme are working at least |
| 17:47:42 | hardeep | now we just need to decide what it's going to be =) |
| 17:48:00 | tucoz | I wonder, wouldn't the simplest way towards a combined bitmap support be to simply merge the bitmaps and have a header with filnemas and indices to them? |
| 17:48:08 | tucoz | filename |
| 17:48:08 | tucoz | s |
| 17:48:23 | tucoz | index:length pairs |
| 17:48:23 | hardeep | the wps could be the header file |
| 17:48:33 | linuxstb | You mean like a .tar file? .... |
| 17:48:43 | tucoz | linuxstb, is that how simple a tar file is? |
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| 17:49:03 | Mikachu | tar files don't have indices at the start, they are just put between the files iirc |
| 17:49:17 | tucoz | ah, that is probably faster |
| 17:49:28 | Mikachu | because they are meant to be put on tapes originally |
| 17:49:36 | Mikachu | where seeking is _extremely_ slow :) |
| 17:49:42 | linuxstb | Even simpler, just cat the .bmp files together in the order they appear in the .wps |
| 17:49:57 | tucoz | wouldn't you need an index table? |
| 17:50:01 | Mikachu | do bmp files have headers? |
| 17:50:03 | Amien | if i change the id3tags using anapod .. and than rebuild tagcache in rockbox .. then it creates the old id3tag list .. while the original ipod software shows all the correct id3tags |
| 17:50:08 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes |
| 17:50:15 | tucoz | but why search for headers, if an index is created? |
| 17:50:22 | Mikachu | ah, silly me, they must |
| 17:50:35 | linuxstb | I would expect the .bmp to have the length in the header - so you just read them one after the other. |
| 17:50:36 | Mikachu | tucoz: after you've parsed the first .bmp, you know where the next one must start, ie the next byte |
| 17:50:54 | tucoz | ah, of course. |
| 17:50:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, the length is stored in the header |
| 17:51:14 | tucoz | oh, then cat them together would work just fine |
| 17:51:20 | amiconn | BMP headers are rather simple. |
| 17:51:28 | amiconn | All numbers are little endian though |
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| 17:51:53 | tucoz | but if someone changes the order of the bitmaps in the wps, then the combined bitmap has to be rebuilt |
| 17:52:16 | tucoz | a minor issue, might just notify wps-artists of that |
| 17:52:18 | tucoz | and KISS |
| 17:52:23 | Mikachu | you could make a little script that "compiles" the wps |
| 17:52:25 | amiconn | ..and some longs aren't long aligned |
| 17:52:43 | Mikachu | shouldn't be hard to provide both a .sh and a .bat |
| 17:52:49 | amiconn | Check apps/recorder/bmp.c for the header struct |
| 17:54:37 | tucoz | do i remember correctly, that the recorders load tracks faster than the irivers? |
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| 17:54:53 | tucoz | that is a vanilla recorder |
| 17:55:16 | Mikachu | is reading from the disk/flash parallell to processing stuff? or does it need the full attention of the cpu? |
| 17:56:41 | tucoz | bbl |
| 17:57:09 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I think it blocks the CPU. |
| 17:58:10 | Amien | should i delete itunesdb? |
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| 17:58:25 | linuxstb | Amien: Up to you. Rockbox never touches it. |
| 17:58:44 | Amien | but where does the tagcache take the id3 froms? |
| 17:58:48 | Amien | -s |
| 17:58:53 | linuxstb | The files. |
| 17:59:29 | Amien | i changed the id3 using anapod .. ipod software shows them correctly .. but when i let rockbox force tagcache .. the old id3's are taken |
| 17:59:49 | linuxstb | In which case, anapod didn't update the tags in the files. |
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| 18:00:10 | Amien | anapod only updates the itunesdb? |
| 18:00:27 | linuxstb | Also, tagcache doesn't deal with updates very well - that may be the issue. Try deleting the tagcache files in .rockbox and rebuilding it from scratch. |
| 18:00:42 | Amien | tried that .. takes old id3 |
| 18:01:04 | linuxstb | So it seems that anapod doesn't update the files. |
| 18:01:16 | linuxstb | (I've never used it...) |
| 18:01:49 | Amien | you are right .. just copied a mp3 to HD .. and checked id3 .. old id3 still there :( |
| 18:02:06 | Mikachu | so possibly just using the cocpu for reading stuff could speed things up a lot, at least on ipods |
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| 18:03:13 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Not really - it would still block the calling thread. Better solution would be to optimise (in ARM) the disk read/write functions. |
| 18:03:16 | Amien | and thoughts on a good id3 prg to change? |
| 18:03:36 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i was thinking about maybe doing some very small readahead |
| 18:07:08 | Mikachu | i mean in theory, not about implementing it :) |
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| 18:09:08 | linuxstb | Mikachu: I think we should do the simple optimisations first... And leave the COP sleeping (for the sake of the battery) |
| 18:09:38 | Mikachu | i trust you know better |
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| 18:13:43 | Higgy | amiconn: someone just posted on misticriver a link to this pdf for the isp1362 |
| 18:14:14 | Higgy | on page 36 is a diagram which seems to suggest a sequence of events between start and a_suspend_req |
| 18:14:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Thank you for catching the Cowon thing. With all those iSomethings, I just got in a trend and forgot that was a line of players and not the company. |
| 18:14:52 | Higgy | possibly what the series of function calls in the iriver firmware is doing? |
| 18:15:25 | Higgy | sorry, pdf is at http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/ISP1362-04.pdf |
| 18:16:41 | Higgy | although i guess you have the datasheet anyway... ;) |
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| 18:21:17 | webguest14 | hi |
| 18:22:22 | webguest14 | i am having trouble booting rockbox in my ipod photo 30gb |
| 18:23:12 | webguest14 | someone can help? |
| 18:23:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | What sort of trouble? That's a very vague question. |
| 18:23:25 | webguest14 | yes. i was trying to see if someone was listening |
| 18:23:49 | webguest14 | when i boot it detects (or thinks it detects) usb connected and it goes to disk mode |
| 18:24:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | With no cable attached? |
| 18:24:03 | webguest14 | even when disconnected from anything |
| 18:24:06 | webguest14 | yes |
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| 18:24:54 | webguest14 | i did boot rockbox some times but kind of juggling with cable and keypresses so I am not sure what combination does the trick |
| 18:25:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | We haven't solved that one yet. It only affects a few people, and as far as I can tell it's not a Rockbox thing, though it's a little unclear what it *is* related to. If you can compile your own copy of Rockbox, disabling USB detection will make it work fine. |
| 18:25:25 | webguest14 | yes i was thinking of it |
| 18:25:32 | webguest14 | but i dont have the compiler |
| 18:25:42 | webguest14 | what are you using for compiling? |
| 18:25:44 | Mikachu | what happens if you hold down menu? i think that is the key to override usb detection |
| 18:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | arm-elff-gcc |
| 18:25:55 | Mikachu | don't hold it down from the very start because then you'd boot apple |
| 18:26:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yes, but that's the key to override it once you're in Rockbox. It's the key to boot up the retail firmware in the bootloader. There *might* be a timing that would work. |
| 18:26:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: But I was trying it with an actual cable and couldn't get it to let me into Rockbox. |
| 18:26:38 | Mikachu | okay |
| 18:26:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doesn't mean you can't, just that I suck at it though. |
| 18:26:48 | webguest14 | yes i hod down menu and plug/unplug the charger cable and it does boot but it is hard to get the right sequence |
| 18:27:34 | webguest14 | please tell me where i get the compiler |
| 18:27:50 | Mikachu | it is somewhere in the wiki |
| 18:27:58 | webguest14 | ok i´ll find it |
| 18:28:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest14: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page |
| 18:28:05 | bluebrother | webguest14, you get the compiler at gnu.org |
| 18:28:06 | Mikachu | that's the one |
| 18:28:43 | webguest14 | ok |
| 18:29:10 | webguest14 | also rockbox seems to freeze for no reason, but I know it is in the bugtracker |
| 18:29:28 | pixelma | a different quesion: who is BabyCooler in the wiki? |
| 18:29:46 | Febs | amiconn, someone identified this document in a thread on M.R.: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/ISP1362-04.pdf |
| 18:29:50 | Febs | Have you seen that? |
| 18:30:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest14: That's "unsolved question #2" by the way. Though that one's likely to be solved probably more easily, but has to wait for 3.0 to get out the door probably. |
| 18:30:41 | webguest14 | ok. I like rockbox. the ipod looks more a proper computer instead than just a ´super walkman´ |
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| 18:34:55 | amiconn | Febs: That datasheet is already available on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets since September 2005 ... |
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| 18:35:37 | senab | evening ppl |
| 18:36:59 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sends his email. |
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| 18:41:21 | Febs | amiconn, OK, just wanted to make sure you had seen it. |
| 18:41:33 | mirak | hi |
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| 18:42:45 | mirak | is there a support for jpg file in wps ? |
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| 18:42:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | no |
| 18:42:53 | Higgy | http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~hamblen/DE2/Datasheets/USB/Embedded%20Programming%20Guide.pdf ? |
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| 18:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: Only bitmap |
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| 18:43:46 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: it's not possible to use the jpeg viewer ? |
| 18:43:50 | mirak | in the futur ? |
| 18:44:13 | mirak | I will wait that wps are included into rockbox |
| 18:44:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no reason why jpegs couldn't be supported in the future, but there's no real reason to support them. |
| 18:44:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | And... wait for what? |
| 18:45:40 | amiconn | Hmm, now this is getting interesting :) |
| 18:45:53 | * | amiconn *seems* to have sent the HC to sleep |
| 18:46:03 | Febs | Woo-hoo! |
| 18:46:12 | Genre9mp3 | \o/ |
| 18:46:30 | * | amiconn fetches multimeter and magnifyingglass for a check |
| 18:47:37 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: no reason to support them ? |
| 18:47:48 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: why ? |
| 18:47:53 | mirak | my arts cover are in jpeg |
| 18:48:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: And you can convert them. |
| 18:48:06 | mirak | or I don't even know in fact |
| 18:48:06 | amiconn | yeehah! H_SUSPEND is high! |
| 18:48:24 | amiconn | Now let it play for a while, then check temp |
| 18:48:32 | Mikachu | tentative congratulations are in order |
| 18:48:54 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: you could say me to add support for them at least |
| 18:48:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: Before they're displayed on the screen, they have to be in the format of the framebuffer. Which means Rockbox must convert. From bitmap this is an easy and fast conversion. From jpeg it takes more processing power (and more battery) so it's better if a user does it in advance, since that only needs to be done once. |
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| 18:49:08 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Great work! |
| 18:49:35 | Higgy | nice one, amiconn! |
| 18:49:47 | Higgy | and the DC? |
| 18:50:04 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: you are putting in question all the compression concept |
| 18:50:06 | mirak | lol |
| 18:50:22 | mirak | well on the H300 there is a picture browser |
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| 18:50:36 | mirak | works fine during playback |
| 18:50:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: And it decreases battery life. |
| 18:51:01 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: I am talking about covers jpeg, like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#Elephant_2_0 this page |
| 18:51:02 | amiconn | The point is that album art pics will need to be preconverted anyway, to avoid (non-integer) scaling on load |
| 18:51:23 | amiconn | We could support jpeg, at a certain maximum size |
| 18:51:44 | mirak | if it's done once per track playing, or even album, that's really not significant battery wise |
| 18:52:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's also completely unnecessary. |
| 18:52:03 | amiconn | There would even be an advantage - the pic could not only be 75x75 (or whatever resolution we settle at), but also 2x, 4x or 8x that resolution |
| 18:52:28 | mirak | there is an idct scaler in the jpeg wiever |
| 18:52:34 | amiconn | Also, afaik embedded album art is in jpeg format |
| 18:52:34 | mirak | you could use any size |
| 18:52:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: We should settle so that 2x is 50x50 and 4x is 100x100 |
| 18:52:40 | mirak | of jpeg |
| 18:52:51 | amiconn | mirak: Not *any* size |
| 18:53:06 | mirak | amiconn: why not ? |
| 18:53:19 | amiconn | idct scaling on load can do 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 |
| 18:53:45 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: embedded album art is usually in jpeg format...but can be also bmp or png or etc. |
| 18:54:10 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Well, we surely will support a subset only, if at all |
| 18:54:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still vote for just bmp. |
| 18:54:25 | * | amiconn doesn't see the point of embedding *album* art in a *track* |
| 18:54:40 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: this is dumb |
| 18:54:45 | amiconn | That means each album art pic exists >~ 10 times |
| 18:54:47 | Genre9mp3 | Well...actually, I don't like embedded album art |
| 18:54:58 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: exactly |
| 18:55:03 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: if you try to block jpg incorportation. |
| 18:55:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: Why is it dumb? Either Rockbox has to convert your images, or you do, and you can do it once and not have to waste battery life doing so. |
| 18:55:21 | mirak | you can could use only bmpp to save your battery if you want |
| 18:56:13 | Mikachu | call me crazy but isn't the jpeg decoder code quite big? |
| 18:56:20 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: then rockbox should convert them itself once in a cache folder |
| 18:56:23 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: As I already said, supporting jpeg might no be too bad an idea |
| 18:56:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It might not, but it's still debate-able. |
| 18:56:48 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: that's what konqueror nautilus or explorer are doing |
| 18:57:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: As you've also said, album art with one copy per track is silly. Users could create prescaled album art at 75x75 and 100x100 and just have two images. |
| 18:57:12 | amiconn | You could store the jpeg in a bigger resolution, so that the album art loader would scale down, and you could view the same image full-res with the jpeg viewer |
| 18:57:35 | Nico_P | well the user could choose between flexibility (jpg) and saving battery (bmp) if rockbox supported both |
| 18:57:37 | amiconn | Scaling down is much easier with jpeg than with bmp |
| 18:57:39 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: That would be very cool! |
| 18:57:56 | amiconn | ..at least the idct scaling |
| 18:58:00 | mirak | Nico_P: I think that with a caching system it would be the best compromise |
| 18:58:03 | Mikachu | amiconn: um, don't you just have to skip every second pixel on bmp? |
| 18:58:09 | amiconn | ..which is (of course) not available with bmp |
| 18:58:12 | mirak | transparent and it saves battery |
| 18:58:25 | amiconn | Mikachu: That would make covers look *very* bad |
| 18:58:25 | mirak | more than converting each time I mean |
| 18:58:48 | Mikachu | amiconn: dct scaling accidentally does some bilinear scaling? |
| 18:58:57 | mirak | The best zoom would be by fourier transformation |
| 18:59:13 | amiconn | You would need to load full res (at least in stripes with as many lines as will end up in the same line in the downscaled image), then average the pixels |
| 18:59:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: idct downscaling does intrinsic bilinear scaling |
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| 19:00:30 | amiconn | This is how jpeg works |
| 19:00:47 | amiconn | Each image is split into 8x8 pixel blocks |
| 19:01:15 | amiconn | Each block is then transformed with a 2-d dct into a set of frequency coefficients |
| 19:01:45 | amiconn | ..which are then quantized (this is the lossy part) and finally huffman compressed |
| 19:03:15 | amiconn | Downscaling at decoding just means to perform a partial idct, i.e. not using all coefficients, and transform into a 4x4 pixel (1/2 scale), 2x2 pixel (1/4 scale) or 1x1 pixel (1/8 scale) block |
| 19:04:02 | Mikachu | right |
| 19:04:05 | amiconn | Success! \o/ |
| 19:04:05 | tucoz | that sounds pretty much like black magic |
| 19:04:14 | tucoz | black magic again ;-) |
| 19:04:23 | amiconn | No measurable temperature difference between ISP1362 and environment |
| 19:04:41 | Chamois | congrats |
| 19:04:43 | tucoz | congratulations |
| 19:04:50 | Chamois | a commit now !! |
| 19:04:52 | tucoz | hehe |
| 19:04:56 | amiconn | The problem I solved was a silly one - and the hint towards the state machine was a good one |
| 19:05:27 | mirak | amiconn: well you can relatively easily scale to what you want the uncompressed image, with fourier transformation as well |
| 19:05:31 | amiconn | ..although the problem was in another, simpler, state diagram: see page 39 of the datasheet |
| 19:06:00 | mirak | you transform into coefficient matrix, then you do the inverse, with appropriate parameters. |
| 19:06:07 | mirak | I did it with matlab |
| 19:06:08 | amiconn | It's just that you can't send the HC from USBReset directly to USBSuspend, you need an intermediate step |
| 19:06:13 | mirak | in univ ... |
| 19:06:17 | amiconn | ..sending it to USBOperational first |
| 19:06:26 | tucoz | Could the ipod battery issues have a similar cause? Like, a cop not sleeping or some other chip? |
| 19:06:34 | Higgy | ah, right |
| 19:06:38 | Higgy | well congrats :) |
| 19:06:46 | tucoz | aha |
| 19:07:08 | amiconn | Now I need to diff against cvs, clean up a bit, and then commit .... |
| 19:07:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: how far away are you from commiting this beauty ? |
| 19:07:16 | Nico_P | ^^ |
| 19:07:24 | tucoz | now, is this posted on mr already? |
| 19:07:49 | amiconn | Certainly not by me |
| 19:08:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: you're going to become almost as famous as linus over at MR ;) |
| 19:08:25 | Higgy | tucoz: yep |
| 19:08:27 | tucoz | no, but things like this usually gets posted there the second the w00t is written |
| 19:08:34 | tucoz | Higgy, for real? hehe |
| 19:08:34 | amiconn | Now I need to reassemble my H340, charge fully, then perform a runtime test... |
| 19:08:59 | tucoz | hehe, cool topic. 'Latest news from irc' :D |
| 19:09:05 | * | amiconn expects a runtime similar, or exceeding, the H140 runtime |
| 19:09:13 | Mikachu | mr is like the slashdot of rockbox |
| 19:09:40 | amiconn | That's why I tend to ignore it... |
| 19:09:55 | Higgy | hehe |
| 19:10:09 | tucoz | well, now you're this weeks poster boy over at MR |
| 19:10:10 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: As petur expected....I think this is the w0000t post of you after all... |
| 19:10:11 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 19:10:11 | Higgy | me too, mostly |
| 19:10:19 | ZenMasterJG | MR? |
| 19:10:24 | tucoz | Mistic River |
| 19:11:11 | ZenMasterJG | hmm. cool. |
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| 19:11:26 | tucoz | amiconn, i am impressed with your success, but also the inventiveness(?) to find the culprit |
| 19:11:45 | earHertz | Is there a way to get timing onm the ipod with a higher reoslution than ticks/ |
| 19:11:57 | * | Genre9mp3 dances the ISP1362 tame dance! |
| 19:12:01 | Genre9mp3 | :P |
| 19:12:12 | amiconn | earHertz: You can read the hardware microsecond timer |
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| 19:12:32 | earHertz | amiconn: IS THAT COSTLY TO DO? |
| 19:12:38 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, ...to the ISP1362 lullyby |
| 19:12:47 | amiconn | ouch! |
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| 19:13:01 | amiconn | Don't scream so loud ;) |
| 19:13:10 | Genre9mp3 | WOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:13:13 | earHertz | orry, I accidently hit caps lock |
| 19:13:15 | senab | obo: i got it working |
| 19:13:20 | * | amiconn has sensitive ears |
| 19:13:40 | obo | senab: good job |
| 19:14:12 | * | Genre9mp3 jumping instead of shouting |
| 19:14:18 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 19:14:20 | senab | it was the scrobbler plugin, it wasn't putting a , in when defing LANG_SCROBBLER |
| 19:14:27 | [San] | fixed????!? |
| 19:14:32 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, don't wake up the baby. It's sleeping ;) |
| 19:14:36 | * | [San] pats amicon on the back |
| 19:14:39 | obo | ah, yeah, cos it was the last entry in the struct |
| 19:14:48 | * | [San] hands Amiconn a cool beverage |
| 19:14:49 | [San] | ;-) |
| 19:14:52 | earHertz | amiconn: so, how does one read yej microsecond timer? |
| 19:14:59 | senab | yep, its in the latest build anyway :) |
| 19:15:08 | Genre9mp3 | Cant't wait for a battery_bench... |
| 19:15:11 | [San] | avable to download? |
| 19:15:13 | obo | cool, hope it goes down well after your work on it |
| 19:15:37 | tucoz | what is up with the build server. Is it still stuck? |
| 19:15:47 | Typoboy | nice work amiconn!! /cheer |
| 19:15:48 | obo | waiting for a commit I think... |
| 19:16:02 | tucoz | ah, still waiting the poor bugger |
| 19:17:17 | * | Genre9mp3 puts his H340 to charge ;) |
| 19:17:24 | amiconn | I need to change something in system.c first |
| 19:17:42 | amiconn | I have 2 changes which overlap *within* 3 lines |
| 19:17:53 | amiconn | I'll commit both, but separate |
| 19:18:08 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Can't wait... |
| 19:18:17 | senab | cheers for the help anyway obo |
| 19:18:19 | amiconn | Patience, grasshopper... ;) |
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| 19:19:09 | obo | senab: no problem (not that I did a lot...) |
| 19:20:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thinks amiconn should make them wait 24 hours, for "further testing" |
| 19:20:37 | senab | obo: lol ok u didn't |
| 19:20:45 | amiconn | Maybe I should do a complete runtime test first? ;) |
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| 19:20:50 | tucoz | haha |
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| 19:21:03 | obo | more than one run, need to make sure you get a decent average |
| 19:21:08 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: No...it will (hopefully) take ages! |
| 19:21:30 | Higgy | haha |
| 19:21:37 | tucoz | Which rewards a second and a third round. Just to make sure... |
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| 19:23:11 | earHertz | amiconn: is it as simple as inl (0x60005010)? |
| 19:23:29 | linuxstb_ | Easier - just use the USEC_TIMER #define |
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| 19:23:57 | earHertz | linuxstb: where's that #defined? |
| 19:24:18 | linuxstb_ | pp5020.h |
| 19:24:23 | earHertz | thanks |
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| 19:24:43 | linuxstb_ | You just use it like a variable - e.g. "current_usec_tick=USEC_TIMER;" |
| 19:25:09 | earHertz | oh, that's easy |
| 19:25:17 | linuxstb_ | Be aware that it will wrap relatively frequently though. |
| 19:25:30 | linuxstb_ | I think it's about 72 minutes. |
| 19:26:29 | linuxstb_ | It's obviously also specific to Rockbox devices with PP502x CPUs, so you'll need an alternative for the UI sim and other targets. |
| 19:27:36 | earHertz | 72 minutes, it's a 32bit values, right? |
| 19:28:01 | linuxstb_ | tucoz: Yes, I expect the poor ipod runtime has a lot to do with Rockbox not powering things down properly. But without hardware docs... |
| 19:28:20 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: Yes, unsigned 32-bit. |
| 19:28:37 | earHertz | 72 minutes is more than adequate |
| 19:29:12 | linuxstb_ | What do you need it for? |
| 19:29:30 | earHertz | I've written some code to calculate scroll wheel ticks |
| 19:29:44 | earHertz | er, wheel scrolls per tick |
| 19:30:32 | earHertz | so 10000 microseconds per tick, yes? |
| 19:31:12 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 19:33:42 | tucoz | linuxstb, came to think of that |
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| 19:34:30 | * | amiconn just hit return |
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| 19:46:55 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Nice commit... |
| 19:47:59 | BHSPitMonkey | o.O |
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| 19:51:34 | earHertz | is there a howto on adding settinsg and menus? |
| 19:53:08 | linuxstb_ | There are some comments in settings.c |
| 19:53:23 | * | Genre9mp3 orders a truck full of comfetti |
| 19:54:15 | earHertz | I remmerb spending as lot of time in srettings.c, trying to make the code more regular and smaller, back in 2003. never suceeeded. |
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| 20:02:54 | Typoboy | anyone played around with the Rockbox Cover Art script in Amarok? just curious how well it works |
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| 20:05:57 | mongey | when can i download the rockbox h300 with the chip asleep |
| 20:06:09 | scorche | amiconn: grats! |
| 20:06:32 | * | mongey dcc's amiconn his congradulations |
| 20:08:45 | amiconn | mongey: Now. Just fetch the latest cvs build |
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| 20:11:43 | XavierGr | amiconn: from me too, congratulations!! Now I am charging my H340 to make a battery_bench |
| 20:12:04 | amiconn | I'm already charging it... |
| 20:12:33 | Genre9mp3 | me too... |
| 20:12:35 | XavierGr | damn I missed the moment. I was watching the news... :( |
| 20:12:41 | Genre9mp3 | oh boy oh boy... :) |
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| 20:14:03 | XavierGr | amiconn: did you say that the isp1362 had 7C difference from retail OS? |
| 20:15:26 | scorche | XavierGr: i believe it was difference from the rest of the board |
| 20:17:13 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:17:20 | XavierGr | wow |
| 20:17:28 | XavierGr | that is a large difference. |
| 20:17:46 | amiconn | The isp1362 run 7°C warmer than the rest of the board in rockbox |
| 20:17:56 | amiconn | In retailos there was no measurable difference |
| 20:18:00 | XavierGr | no wonder where this battery time was consumed. |
| 20:18:30 | amiconn | This was with the board in free air, isp1362 facing upward |
| 20:18:39 | XavierGr | how do you print the little circle next to C? |
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| 20:19:11 | XavierGr | I can't find this special character on my keyboard |
| 20:19:22 | scorche | it isnt |
| 20:21:34 | amiconn | Hehe, on the german keyboard it's on a key |
| 20:23:58 | amiconn | But there are at least 2 ways to input characters not available on a key (in windows - dunno about linux here) |
| 20:24:33 | scorche | well....if your irc client can support html tags also |
| 20:24:37 | linuxstb | Gnome has a "character map" app for inserting special characters. |
| 20:24:43 | amiconn | (1) Alt + character code. (2) A small utility belonging to windows (don't know its english name) |
| 20:24:57 | bluebrother | charmap.exe |
| 20:26:16 | mongey | so my h300 should have double the time? |
| 20:26:37 | linuxstb | Ah, it's ALTGR+SHIFT+0 on my keyboard in Gnome... |
| 20:27:41 | XavierGr | ctrl+alt+e will print the euro sign for me(€) |
| 20:28:21 | XavierGr | but no other key will output anything doing this. |
| 20:29:41 | amiconn | Alt + 0176 (hold Alt, then type 0176 on the numericpad) |
| 20:30:03 | amiconn | Numlock must be enabled |
| 20:30:37 | ender` | XavierGr: it depends on the keyboard locale |
| 20:30:46 | XavierGr | ° |
| 20:30:47 | XavierGr | yay |
| 20:30:50 | XavierGr | thanks amiconn |
| 20:31:04 | XavierGr | amiconn: wow and you remember that? |
| 20:31:09 | * | ender` has ° on AltGr+5,Space |
| 20:31:15 | XavierGr | I mean the number |
| 20:31:33 | ender` | (AltGr = right Alt = Ctrl+Alt) |
| 20:31:45 | amiconn | I didn't. I just checked it in the charmap utility |
| 20:32:02 | XavierGr | is it a windows utility? |
| 20:32:16 | ender` | XavierGr: Start->Run->charmap->Enter |
| 20:32:22 | XavierGr | ah okay thanks |
| 20:32:31 | XavierGr | nice |
| 20:32:47 | amiconn | On a german keyboard, the key left to "1" has ^ and ° |
| 20:33:13 | ender` | it has ¸ and ¨ here :) |
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| 20:33:26 | BHSPitMonkey | `~ |
| 20:33:39 | XavierGr | `~ |
| 20:33:45 | scorche | `~ |
| 20:33:50 | XavierGr | yeah the tilde key |
| 20:33:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:34:03 | ender` | tilde = AltGr+1 :) |
| 20:34:12 | mongey | so now ive put the latest build on my battery should be normal if not better now? |
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| 20:34:43 | amiconn | tilde = AltGr + "+" |
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| 20:35:04 | ender` | AltGr++=¸ |
| 20:35:21 | * | XavierGr pings petur |
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| 20:35:40 | * | petur pongs XavierGr |
| 20:35:44 | XavierGr | petur: Now at last you can right a USB OTG interface ;P |
| 20:35:52 | petur | I know |
| 20:35:54 | * | Genre9mp3 pangs both of you! |
| 20:35:56 | Genre9mp3 | :-P |
| 20:36:38 | Genre9mp3 | right = write, write? :-P |
| 20:36:39 | amiconn | pung |
| 20:36:45 | XavierGr | ops |
| 20:36:49 | petur | I hope to get some time this weekend to look at it (if amiconn publishes his driver ;) ) |
| 20:37:02 | XavierGr | he just commited it, no? |
| 20:37:03 | amiconn | petur: Look at the frontpage :) |
| 20:37:07 | XavierGr | :D |
| 20:37:24 | * | petur just booted his pc - give him a break ;) |
| 20:37:31 | XavierGr | ah he didn't hear the news... |
| 20:37:39 | amiconn | booh :) |
| 20:37:52 | petur | nope, was eating thai with my wife |
| 20:38:31 | petur | whoa... it sleeps completely? |
| 20:38:55 | Paprica | the download speed from rockbox is slowwwwwww |
| 20:39:11 | mongey | Paprica any new plugins ? |
| 20:39:19 | mongey | :P |
| 20:39:36 | Paprica | i'm downloading the Bleeding edge in 0.8kb |
| 20:39:37 | Paprica | =\ |
| 20:39:37 | XavierGr | petur: many of us are already charging our H300s to make tests! |
| 20:39:47 | Paprica | mongey, not yet =\ |
| 20:39:49 | petur | yippie |
| 20:39:51 | Paprica | haha :) |
| 20:39:54 | XavierGr | Paprica I can imagine why |
| 20:40:07 | Paprica | mongey, did you see chopper? |
| 20:40:17 | mongey | chopper? nope |
| 20:40:20 | XavierGr | All people that heard of it will just rush in and get it. |
| 20:40:30 | * | mongey lost his charger |
| 20:40:30 | * | amiconn decides that his result warrants a beer and a dvd movie |
| 20:40:32 | idnar | heh |
| 20:40:41 | Genre9mp3 | Paprica: I am downloading at 80KB/sec |
| 20:40:42 | petur | amiconn: sleeps completely? |
| 20:40:51 | Paprica | mongey, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4802.0 |
| 20:40:51 | XavierGr | petur yes. |
| 20:40:54 | amiconn | yupses |
| 20:41:03 | * | petur hands amiconn a Belgian beer of his choice |
| 20:41:05 | mongey | i love that games |
| 20:41:22 | mongey | *game |
| 20:41:25 | Paprica | now it's 1.5 kb/sec |
| 20:41:39 | * | amiconn never tried belgian beer so far |
| 20:41:49 | Paprica | mongey, which target do you use? |
| 20:41:51 | petur | hahahah even my cygwin will build it faster :p |
| 20:41:56 | mongey | h300 |
| 20:42:02 | mongey | well |
| 20:42:04 | * | XavierGr drinks a beer for amiconn |
| 20:42:07 | mongey | thats my dap |
| 20:42:16 | mongey | i use beer cans as targets |
| 20:42:18 | mongey | :D |
| 20:42:19 | * | petur already had some |
| 20:42:19 | Paprica | ok |
| 20:42:21 | Paprica | :) |
| 20:42:35 | petur | 2.5 Leffe :) |
| 20:42:37 | mongey | where do i get the .rock ? |
| 20:42:38 | * | Genre9mp3 remembers drinking Warsteiner in Berlin |
| 20:42:44 | * | Paprica is too yung to drink beer |
| 20:42:50 | Genre9mp3 | I really enjoyed that beer... |
| 20:42:54 | Paprica | young* |
| 20:42:55 | * | mongey is too |
| 20:43:02 | * | mongey is too young too |
| 20:43:06 | XavierGr | wow and I though I was young |
| 20:43:13 | * | mongey is 14 |
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| 20:43:21 | mongey | :) |
| 20:43:28 | Paprica | 16 here :) |
| 20:43:34 | * | amiconn is already 34 |
| 20:43:48 | * | petur beats amiconn with a year |
| 20:43:50 | Paprica | amiconn, can you drink for me too? |
| 20:43:51 | * | XavierGr will turn 23 in july |
| 20:43:59 | mongey | 15 in july |
| 20:44:11 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders what is amiconn's favorite beer |
| 20:44:42 | amiconn | I have no special favourite. |
| 20:44:47 | petur | probably black&white, small screen and fast drink time |
| 20:45:03 | XavierGr | haha |
| 20:45:15 | XavierGr | that was a good one :P |
| 20:45:15 | Paprica | 20 minutes to download the bleeding edge |
| 20:45:16 | amiconn | I often try different beers, but I have a slight favourite - Hasseröder |
| 20:45:18 | Paprica | very sad |
| 20:45:36 | mongey | Paprica: where is the plugin |
| 20:45:50 | * | Genre9mp3 fetches an empty bottle of Flensburger Pilsener that I took as a souvenir from Berlin |
| 20:45:53 | amiconn | Reboot, windows update |
| 20:46:07 | Paprica | mongey, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535 |
| 20:46:08 | Genre9mp3 | I think Germans know better...;) |
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| 20:46:44 | mongey | chopper.diff ? |
| 20:46:55 | Paprica | you need to compile it |
| 20:46:56 | petur | amiconn updates his pc a bit late - the security updates were tuesday |
| 20:47:08 | Typoboy | hmm i just got the bleading edge build in 10 secs.. |
| 20:47:20 | mongey | wait |
| 20:47:20 | * | Paprica cant update his windows |
| 20:47:24 | mongey | im confused |
| 20:47:30 | mongey | pirate |
| 20:47:44 | mongey | arnt plugins .rock ? |
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| 20:48:00 | Paprica | yes, they are .rock |
| 20:48:05 | Paprica | you need to compile it |
| 20:48:12 | mongey | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:48:25 | mongey | anyone wanna send me a compiled one? |
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| 20:49:45 | linuxstb | mongey: There are 18 different targets, each needing their own compile... |
| 20:49:52 | preglow | beh |
| 20:49:56 | preglow | amiconn: nice work |
| 20:50:07 | Paprica | mongey, accept my send |
| 20:50:11 | Paprica | its for h300 |
| 20:50:38 | petur | anybody got Linus to measure current ? |
| 20:50:58 | amiconn | Where's Linus when you need him? ;) |
| 20:51:14 | petur | drinking beer probably ;) |
| 20:51:18 | amiconn | Honestly, I expect completely sane current values |
| 20:51:23 | mongey | Paprica send again |
| 20:51:38 | Paprica | sec |
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| 20:52:01 | Paprica | ... |
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| 20:52:06 | preglow | amiconn: so it's completely alseep now? |
| 20:52:21 | mongey | damn |
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| 20:52:31 | mongey | Paprica can u upload it somewhere? |
| 20:52:42 | amiconn | Yes. At least the *_SUSPEND pins and the temperature tell me it is |
| 20:53:05 | Genre9mp3 | hehe...ISP1362...it's bedtime! |
| 20:53:06 | Paprica | yep |
| 20:53:07 | Paprica | sec |
| 20:53:09 | mongey | so it was like a second cpu ? |
| 20:53:19 | Paprica | http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=81F9DD2A1ADC4E14 |
| 20:53:39 | * | mongey hopes his mam finds his h300 charger |
| 20:53:42 | petur | preglow/amiconn: shall I prepare recording code that boosts only for spdif (and slowspeed for line-in). I will wait at least a week until I did a full evening concert recording to be sure it's stable |
| 20:53:55 | mongey | ty |
| 20:54:19 | Paprica | NOP |
| 20:54:33 | petur | 12 of them ;) |
| 20:54:58 | * | petur saw the nops in amiconn's code |
| 20:55:09 | mongey | so Paprica anything else that youve ported? |
| 20:55:17 | petur | amiconn: so it really needs 'm? |
| 20:55:22 | Paprica | no :) |
| 20:55:49 | amiconn | petur: It probably doesn't, but I've left them in for now |
| 20:56:12 | petur | nice |
| 20:56:13 | Paprica | i have an exams session at scholl |
| 20:56:16 | amiconn | Just 4 nop's for reading and none at all for writing did work here too |
| 20:56:34 | amiconn | But now, dvd |
| 20:57:08 | XavierGr | have a good watch amiconn |
| 20:57:19 | petur | I've learned a lot about usb last week(s) - have written a usb driver for winCE, so I hope it will come of some use when looking at usbotg |
| 20:57:29 | Genre9mp3 | ...and a lot of beer, too |
| 20:57:38 | preglow | haha |
| 20:57:47 | preglow | petur: sounds good |
| 20:58:04 | preglow | petur: so only spdif recording is affected by the boosting problem? |
| 20:58:15 | petur | and I love it when stuff starts to work right before the weekend |
| 20:58:33 | petur | preglow: so I heared |
| 20:58:39 | petur | I have a h340 |
| 20:58:45 | preglow | ahh, right, right |
| 20:58:46 | mongey | where can i get a doom wad |
| 20:58:54 | * | preglow wants to do some more recording work |
| 20:59:15 | preglow | i'd love to support further sample rates |
| 20:59:23 | petur | line-in recording works fine unboosted - but haven't tried more than 30 mins so far |
| 20:59:31 | mongey | also any chance of making the boot up of rockbox a bit more visual |
| 20:59:34 | preglow | i can't think why it wouldn't work |
| 20:59:42 | preglow | mongey: is it so long that it's needed? |
| 20:59:47 | preglow | rockbox boots fast and fine here |
| 20:59:56 | mongey | no |
| 20:59:59 | mongey | well |
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| 21:00:00 | petur | I have a gig next week of 4+ hours, so any batt saving will be needed ;) |
| 21:00:31 | mongey | if the image can come on as a backdrop behind the text |
| 21:01:08 | mongey | that would be nice |
| 21:01:09 | mongey | :P |
| 21:02:48 | preglow | petur: how long does rockbox currently last while recording? |
| 21:03:07 | petur | no idea, let's test :) |
| 21:04:27 | petur | hmmm how do you remove attachments from the wiki? |
| 21:05:02 | preglow | god knows |
| 21:05:05 | linuxstb | Paprica: I've just tried Chopper on my ipod 5g, and it's working nicely. I have to admit I don't like the game, but that's not your fault :) |
| 21:05:09 | preglow | i've gotta go around the shops |
| 21:05:17 | preglow | chopper? |
| 21:05:20 | linuxstb | petur: You move them to the trash... Select "More" at the bottom-right corner. |
| 21:05:41 | petur | ah... thanks! |
| 21:05:56 | linuxstb | preglow: Paprica's latest game: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535 |
| 21:06:10 | * | petur dumps his isp1362 test code |
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| 21:13:10 | Paprica | linuxstb, im glad to hear that it works nice :) |
| 21:14:58 | toxicfume | I heard that it is possible to have a dual boot on the iPod with Rockbox, as in - having both the original Apple ipod OS and RockBox, is this true? |
| 21:16:08 | Febs | toxicfume, yes. |
| 21:16:30 | toxicfume | Febs: How do you switch between the two after you have Rockbox installed? |
| 21:16:38 | Febs | Press and hold the Menu button while booting to enter the ipod firmware. |
| 21:16:57 | * | Genre9mp3 just started a battery bench |
| 21:17:10 | Paprica | Genre9mp3, h300? |
| 21:17:17 | Genre9mp3 | yup |
| 21:17:23 | Paprica | good |
| 21:17:29 | Genre9mp3 | h340 |
| 21:17:38 | * | Paprica is waiting to the results |
| 21:17:54 | toxicfume | Febs: ahh okay, and if I make a new Rockbox installation, I can still play my itunes imported MP3s normally if i boot into the ipod firmware right? |
| 21:17:58 | Genre9mp3 | Hopefully will take some time...;) |
| 21:18:06 | * | midgey34 has an h320 test in progress as well, 35 min. in |
| 21:18:36 | midgey34 | using iCatcher WPS |
| 21:18:50 | Genre9mp3 | midgey34: :) |
| 21:18:58 | linuxstb | toxicfume: Yes, Rockbox doesn't change anything about how the Apple firmware and itunes behaves. It just gives you the choice of not using them. |
| 21:19:13 | toxicfume | nice! |
| 21:19:21 | toxicfume | thanks linuxstb |
| 21:19:32 | midgey34 | Genre9mp3: what files are you testing? I'm running an album of 192kbps MP3s |
| 21:19:58 | toxicfume | linuxstb: about how much space would Rockbox take on my ipod after it's installation? |
| 21:20:01 | Genre9mp3 | MP3 128Kbps Volume -25dB |
| 21:20:11 | linuxstb | toxicfume: Just a few MB |
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| 21:20:29 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: Don't forget the power off disk options |
| 21:20:31 | XavierGr | -s |
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| 21:21:37 | linuxstb | toxicfume: I've just checked - it's 13MB for my ipod 5g. |
| 21:21:48 | linuxstb | About half of that is the fonts. |
| 21:22:02 | toxicfume | oh okay, that's alright |
| 21:22:40 | toxicfume | I just want to try it out, i guess it can do more than just play music right? And is there any real permanant risk installing Rockbox? |
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| 21:23:38 | Febs | On the ipod, there is very little risk, because you can always restore the ipod to its original state. |
| 21:23:40 | linuxstb | No-one's permanently damaged their ipod with Rockbox yet... The worst that happens is that you have to run Apple's restore program which restores your ipod to the factory condition (and wipes any files). |
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| 21:26:19 | * | petur wonders why amiconn called the isp1362 driver rudimentary, he already included all register defines and all read/write stuff |
| 21:27:45 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Don't worry it's set to Yes |
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| 21:31:31 | petur | the philips usbotg stack has audio/hid/hub/printer/storage device classes. do we want to print from Rockbox? ;) |
| 21:31:54 | petur | hub is useless... |
| 21:32:04 | linuxstb | Printing photos could be desirable... |
| 21:32:12 | petur | for hid, I guess just keyboard |
| 21:32:42 | petur | hmmm is this pictbridge stuff documented? |
| 21:34:03 | linuxstb | "PictBridge is sometimes described as an open standard, whereas in fact the specification can only be obtained from CIPA after agreement not to disclose any information from the specification to others (section 2.2 of the agreement)." |
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| 21:34:46 | petur | crap |
| 21:35:35 | petur | PTP seems to be an ISO standard |
| 21:35:59 | linuxstb | gphoto2 would probably be the source for that... |
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| 21:37:05 | petur | bah... storage first |
| 21:39:25 | Mikachu | toxicfume: you can shrink the boot partition and make an extra partition to compensate if you want |
| 21:40:01 | petur | linuxstb: first must write a usb driver that talks in terms of endpoints and stuff to unify access to all usbotg chips we'll (ever) have ;) |
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| 21:47:01 | linuxstb | Does the Sansa support USBOTG? |
| 21:47:32 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: No |
| 21:47:58 | petur | the x5 does |
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| 21:48:14 | linuxstb | The ipods do as well... |
| 21:48:46 | linuxstb | And the PP5024 in the Sansa does... |
| 21:48:50 | Glueeater | Interesting |
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| 21:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Yeah, the Sansa doesn't. All it's got is a dock port on the bottom that physically looks *almost* identical to the iPod's. |
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| 21:51:48 | linuxstb | Maybe the dock is connected to the PP5024's USBOTG pins though - in case Sansa want to add it as an option. |
| 21:52:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | We can hope. :) |
| 21:52:28 | linuxstb | After PortalPlayer send you all their docs, we can start working on it... |
| 21:52:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because of course they will, right/ |
| 21:52:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 21:52:47 | linuxstb | Of course - how could they refuse such an offer? |
| 21:53:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the email's been sent, so we shall see. At least we'll finally have a formal "No" if they don't want to, and maybe they'll even say *why* they won't. |
| 21:54:10 | linuxstb | My guess for "why" is so that they can continue to license their own Firmware Development Kit to companies buying their chips. I'm sure that's just as lucrative as the hardware itself. |
| 21:54:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Makes a lot of sense, yes. |
| 21:57:29 | petur | no it doesn't |
| 21:58:01 | petur | most hardware vendors give you a complete devkit for free if you want to use their chips |
| 21:58:52 | petur | or even give a complete reference to persuade you to build youd device around their chipset |
| 21:58:55 | linuxstb | And no per-unit licensing fees? |
| 21:59:13 | petur | well I don't know about portalplayer |
| 21:59:35 | petur | but most microcontroller vendors just dump all on your desk ;) |
| 21:59:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | PortalPlayer's making a very specific purpose chip though. |
| 21:59:44 | linuxstb | I'm just guessing that "closed docs" implies "expensive proprietory SDK"... |
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| 22:00:11 | linuxstb | But then again, they need to encourage users to buy and use their chips. |
| 22:00:12 | petur | starnge they ever get picked by even small vendors then |
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| 22:00:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really they're almost making a whole MP3 player, and just letting it be rebranded. |
| 22:00:49 | petur | normally they cont on selling chips - most chip vendors do |
| 22:00:55 | petur | count even |
| 22:01:24 | petur | we'll here in a few days I guess ;) |
| 22:01:31 | petur | s/here/hear |
| 22:01:52 | * | petur stops typing when drinking |
| 22:01:56 | linuxstb | I just can't think of any other logical reason for companies to be so protective of their documentation. |
| 22:02:38 | petur | it's not that you're going to rip them into your own design... you still have to buy them |
| 22:03:10 | petur | unless the chips are cheap and vendows buy a big one-time license |
| 22:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well they've also not really had a reason to release them in the past, have they? |
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| 22:12:31 | petur | hey nice, they're broadcasting monty python again |
| 22:12:40 | * | petur runs off to watch tv |
| 22:12:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either USB on the Go, or filetree browsing of the MicroSD slot on the e200 would be really nice for clearing space on a Digicam while on the go. |
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| 22:20:25 | webguest16 | i believe that i heard someone claim (a long time ago, mind you) that implementing USBOTG would require writing a USB stack from scratch |
| 22:20:47 | webguest16 | does anyone know whether this is really the case? |
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| 22:35:19 | markun | petur: the S3C2440 in the Gigabeat has a OHCI USB 1.1 host controller |
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| 22:39:04 | mirak | hi |
| 22:39:09 | amiconn | petur: Well, I called the driver rudimentary, since it is far from complete. It just handles simple register access, and all it actually does is sending the chip to sleep |
| 22:39:12 | mirak | markun: have you worked on video yet ? |
| 22:39:47 | amiconn | The real challenge will be adding an actual USB stack including all the device classes we want to support |
| 22:40:07 | mirak | is doom playable on the ipod, or is it like on the H300 with horrible controls ? |
| 22:40:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: The h300 controls are actually considered better than the iPod controls. |
| 22:40:35 | mirak | duh |
| 22:40:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then why did you ask? |
| 22:40:51 | mirak | the problem on H300 is you can't go front and turn at the same time |
| 22:40:53 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think the Sansa would be that useful as an image tank, being a flash device itself |
| 22:41:02 | amiconn | Not too much capacity to spare |
| 22:41:13 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: it's almost unplayable on H300 |
| 22:41:23 | mirak | strafing is hard also |
| 22:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: So why did you respond with "duh" when I answered your question? |
| 22:41:39 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: why do you want to analyse that ? |
| 22:41:40 | * | amiconn wonders why people care that much about video on a dap |
| 22:41:54 | amiconn | Video is just a gimmick, nothing more |
| 22:42:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I suppose it depends on which e200 you get, how big your SD card is, and other such things. |
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| 22:42:39 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Well, my digicam uses Compact Flash |
| 22:42:39 | mirak | amiconn: it happened to me to watch a movie while waiting my clothes are washing at the pressing |
| 22:42:46 | mirak | amiconn: or in the train |
| 22:43:04 | mirak | amiconn: or in the metro or suburb train |
| 22:43:08 | amiconn | Well, you can watch even long movies on the archos |
| 22:43:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Mine happens to be SD already. I like the idea also of being able to show pictures I've taken on the unit. |
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| 22:43:24 | amiconn | Whether it's fun to watch movies on a tiny screen is debatable |
| 22:43:28 | mirak | amiconn: yes, but I must bought one. |
| 22:43:44 | amiconn | That said, I did convert all 3 Lord of the Rings movies to .rvf ... |
| 22:43:48 | mirak | amiconn: it's funnier than doing nothing and sitting on a sit |
| 22:43:57 | mirak | amiconn: I read. |
| 22:44:03 | mirak | but sometime you don't want to read |
| 22:44:13 | mirak | or I sleep |
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| 22:44:53 | mirak | amiconn: it happened to me to watch a Lost episode in the metro |
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| 22:45:08 | Vliger2002 | . |
| 22:45:17 | mirak | amiconn: seems you never take the train :) |
| 22:45:35 | amiconn | That happens *very* rarely |
| 22:45:42 | * | amiconn prefers the car |
| 22:45:43 | Vliger2002 | Has anyone checked out my port of Counter-Strike to Rockdoom? |
| 22:46:03 | mirak | when you take it everyday anything that can distract you is welcome |
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| 22:46:38 | amiconn | ..or even the bicycle in the city |
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| 22:46:48 | dionoea | hello |
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| 22:47:21 | mirak | amiconn: honestly that's not possible. And when you see people in bycicles wearing gaz mask you prefer not try that |
| 22:47:31 | amiconn | ?? |
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| 22:48:03 | mirak | here in paris, like in tokyo, people put gaz masks |
| 22:48:18 | mirak | not mustard gaz , gaz mask of course |
| 22:48:24 | Vliger2002 | Hey ppl... come check out my port of Counter-Strike to Rockdoom! http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4611.0 |
| 22:48:34 | mirak | more like what you put to paint with a pistol |
| 22:48:59 | mirak | Vliger2002: comon, rockdoom is already almost unplayable |
| 22:49:08 | mirak | because of the bad controls |
| 22:49:09 | mirak | :) |
| 22:49:18 | amiconn | I never saw anything like that here |
| 22:49:22 | amiconn | ..in Berlin |
| 22:49:52 | amiconn | My daily commute is like 14km each way |
| 22:49:58 | Vliger2002 | well... if there were easier controls... |
| 22:50:26 | mirak | amiconn: here in paris you would get killed by cars |
| 22:50:36 | mirak | even in a car that's scary |
| 22:50:39 | * | petur returns |
| 22:50:42 | mirak | so I can't imagine in bike |
| 22:50:45 | Vliger2002 | But seeing how most of the mp3s have little controls, rockdoom is not easy to play |
| 22:50:48 | mirak | people are mad here |
| 22:51:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vliger2002: It's just a pwad. There's no need to keep pushing it, and it's not really a "port" of Counter-Strike anyway. |
| 22:51:10 | * | amiconn doubts that somewhat |
| 22:51:17 | Vliger2002 | yeah... i guess not |
| 22:51:19 | mirak | Vliger2002: yes it's really fine otherwise |
| 22:51:35 | mirak | amiconn: what ? |
| 22:51:45 | mirak | Vliger2002: have you ever come in france ? |
| 22:51:46 | * | dionoea has a duke nukem for ever port for rockbox |
| 22:51:51 | Vliger2002 | no i ahve not |
| 22:51:54 | Vliger2002 | have* |
| 22:51:59 | amiconn | People are going by bicycle in just about every town/city of the world... |
| 22:52:05 | Vliger2002 | wow |
| 22:52:08 | mirak | in england, when you are trying to cross the street, cars stop as long as you are in a crossing path way. |
| 22:52:23 | mirak | you don't have to engage on it, cars will stop |
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| 22:52:46 | mirak | in france cars stop when they have no other solution than not killing you |
| 22:52:53 | dionoea | :) |
| 22:52:55 | markun | mirak: no, I didn't look at video anymore. I first want to work on the gigabeat port. |
| 22:53:23 | * | petur commutes by bike every day, wearing a bright orange jacket and occasionally swearing at car drivers ;) |
| 22:53:32 | mirak | so each time you try to cross the street you really think that you could get rolled over |
| 22:53:33 | mirak | lol |
| 22:53:58 | mirak | I think it's even worth in Italy and Spain |
| 22:54:01 | petur | French drivers are mad, that I can agreee on |
| 22:54:02 | mirak | worse |
| 22:54:02 | amiconn | You need to be quick, and you need to be cautious at the same time |
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| 22:54:07 | preglow | haha |
| 22:54:21 | mirak | yes |
| 22:54:26 | preglow | bicycling in oslo is also somewhat risky |
| 22:54:31 | amiconn | I don't deem that a major problem. There are both stupid car drivers, and stupid cyclists |
| 22:54:39 | mirak | or when you cross the street many people do it defiently |
| 22:54:55 | mirak | sometime you take your time just to piss off the drier |
| 22:54:57 | mirak | driver |
| 22:54:59 | mirak | lol |
| 22:55:03 | mirak | that's pathetic |
| 22:55:36 | mirak | amiconn: the problem is that here almost everybody have this beavior |
| 22:56:23 | markun | petur: will it be difficult to make the usb framework so it's compatible with usbotg and a normal ohci controller? |
| 22:56:32 | mirak | in the driver manual, it's written that you must let walkers cross, at the first sign of engagement of them. |
| 22:56:50 | amiconn | markun: I don't think we'll even want complete otg compatibility |
| 22:56:57 | amiconn | Afaik not even the iriver fw does this |
| 22:57:22 | amiconn | At least it doesn't react when connecting the otg port to the PC |
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| 22:58:08 | amiconn | The ISP1362 can operate as a dedicated device controller, as a dedicated host controller, and as a full dual-role otg controller |
| 22:58:33 | markun | amiconn: congrats on the ISP1362 work btw. This morning you were still thinking it would take a long time. |
| 22:58:35 | mirak | there is one thing I am not sure rockbox can do. It's to add a file in the queue, and then let rockbox play the file next to it in the folder |
| 22:58:46 | mirak | I don't know how to do that |
| 22:58:56 | petur | markun, amiconn: best to try to make a common layer on the endpoints level |
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| 22:59:11 | mirak | that's in fact the default behavior of the iriver firmware, but the sometime I miss that |
| 22:59:26 | mirak | -the |
| 22:59:28 | petur | maybe foresee two drivers (host/device) but I would fcus on host first |
| 22:59:34 | amiconn | petur: You probably know way more about usb than me. I know a few details, but that's it |
| 22:59:37 | petur | focus even |
| 22:59:43 | amiconn | I never dealt with a real usb stack before |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:06 | petur | I only had contact with the upper part of it lately |
| 23:00:44 | amiconn | I know the different types of USB transfers, and I know that MSD is actually SCSI encapsulated into USB packet |
| 23:00:45 | amiconn | s |
| 23:00:58 | amiconn | ...but that's about it |
| 23:01:12 | petur | basically, you set up pipes over endpoints and transfer data over them in a certain protocols (MSD,...) |
| 23:01:49 | petur | 4 types of endpoints: control, interrupt, bulk, isochonous |
| 23:01:58 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:02:06 | amiconn | That I gathered from teh register definitions |
| 23:02:11 | petur | MSD uses bulk, HID uses interrupt I think |
| 23:02:27 | amiconn | Yes, and audio uses isochronous |
| 23:02:39 | petur | isochronous is for streaming, much like UDP but is hard to implement |
| 23:02:56 | petur | as you get to do the low level stuff yourself |
| 23:03:03 | amiconn | The ISP1362 has special support for isochronous transfers |
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| 23:03:23 | petur | you need to provide buffers for all frames and stuff like that |
| 23:03:27 | amiconn | I can probably help a bit with the lowest level |
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| 23:04:09 | petur | First I want to study the philips code, as it already contains several device classes |
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| 23:04:35 | petur | storage, hid, audio, printing,... |
| 23:04:38 | * | amiconn is eager to see the outcome of his runtime test |
| 23:04:55 | Flutterby | Thanks to y'all for making Rockbox so awesome. Just wanted to say that. |
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| 23:06:54 | petur | The only thing I have problems with: we should get 3.0 stable, so I hesitate to start the usbotg stuff |
| 23:07:00 | mirak | does vorbis take more ressources than mp3 also on rockbox ? |
| 23:07:07 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: how do you b_bench? I chose 128Kbps MP3, -25dB, earphones on, rockbox_default wps & disk poweroff set to yes |
| 23:07:09 | Amien | anyone can tell me .. on the rockbox font list .. what font is the original video 5g font? |
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| 23:07:34 | amiconn | 192kbps mp3, 0 dB volume and virtually no load |
| 23:07:40 | Bagder | Amien: none |
| 23:07:44 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...and I have the stock battery |
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| 23:07:52 | amiconn | (connected line out to the line in of my home stereo) |
| 23:07:59 | Amien | ic :) |
| 23:08:11 | Amien | ok .. anyone have the original font that works with rockbox? |
| 23:09:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: Vorbis takes more resources on most, but on iPod it takes less right now, I believe. |
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| 23:12:54 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if we should set up a wiki page for "PortalPlayer Similarities" or something, to cover the MI4 / ROM file stuff, etc. |
| 23:13:29 | mirak | ok |
| 23:13:56 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: a fair idea |
| 23:14:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Also, I just got my response back from PortalPlayer. Or more specifically, their spam filter. |
| 23:14:24 | mirak | rockbox shouldn't support wma |
| 23:14:25 | Bagder | :-/ |
| 23:14:29 | mirak | I want wma to die |
| 23:14:34 | markun | mirak: why? |
| 23:14:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently my email was returned, unopened. Probably my gmail.com address, but I don't have an ISP one. |
| 23:14:44 | mirak | because it's evil |
| 23:14:50 | Bagder | I got a "I will do my best to help get you what you need. I will be in touch soon." |
| 23:14:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 23:15:19 | Bagder | ... from SanDisk |
| 23:15:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're wonderfully vague. |
| 23:15:35 | petur | anybody see anything wrong with using (parts) of the philips usbotg code? this is the readme of the kit: http://petur.homedns.org:8080/readme.txt |
| 23:15:42 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: yes |
| 23:16:08 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, I'm thinking of translating the entire CustomWPS page into "penfold" speak to give him a taste of his own medicine. Would that be mean? |
| 23:16:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: That would be very mean. :) |
| 23:16:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:16:36 | mirak | markun: I use linux most of the time, and any non open source format is a pain to use as you know |
| 23:16:38 | Bagder | petur: a very brief "license" but it surely sounds like we can use it to me |
| 23:17:34 | petur | just to know before I check out what we can use of the code ;) |
| 23:18:15 | merbanan | mirak: do you have problems playing wma on linux ? |
| 23:18:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd goes to find out his ISP email address |
| 23:19:37 | mirak | merbanan: I have problems with wmv |
| 23:20:06 | mirak | there is no wma encoder anyway |
| 23:20:42 | mirak | merbanan: I wouldn't care that microsoft impose it |
| 23:20:43 | merbanan | mirak: wmv will be playable after the summer |
| 23:21:01 | mirak | if it was free to use and open source, but it's not |
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| 23:21:14 | mirak | it's just about thinking to the future |
| 23:21:34 | merbanan | mirak: and the unplayable version of wmv is a smtpe standard |
| 23:21:39 | mirak | micocrosoft will release another version someday and we won't be able to use it I guess |
| 23:22:50 | merbanan | we'll see what happens in the future |
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| 23:23:03 | mirak | I guess the same that hapened in the past |
| 23:23:23 | mirak | microsoft is interested in DRM's, so there is no point in putting the format open source |
| 23:23:29 | mirak | anyway they never did that |
| 23:24:00 | merbanan | do you mean the container or the codecs ? |
| 23:24:05 | mirak | they want to control technology and content I guess |
| 23:24:11 | mirak | codecs ? |
| 23:24:15 | mirak | am I wrong ? |
| 23:24:43 | merbanan | or their DRM implementation ? |
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| 23:26:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Okay, sent again from a non-webmail account. |
| 23:26:55 | merbanan | mirak: they have published documents for their container and the wmv3/vc-1 codec is open |
| 23:27:30 | linuxstb_ | merbanan: Are you talking about their hi-def WMV format being playable after the summer? |
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| 23:28:28 | flithm | hey everyone... I know this isn't rockbox related, but how the @$(*& do I tell what generation my ipod mini is? |
| 23:28:45 | linuxstb_ | Does it have the disk capacity on the back? |
| 23:28:46 | merbanan | yes, it's one task in google summer of code for ffmpeg |
| 23:29:10 | linuxstb_ | merbanan: Any fixed-point AAC progress? |
| 23:29:26 | flithm | linuxstb, no... although I know how much it has :) |
| 23:29:39 | merbanan | not that I know of, the aac task has been real quite |
| 23:29:40 | flithm | linuxstb, oh wait... yes it does :) |
| 23:29:42 | linuxstb_ | flithm: In which case it will be a 1st gen. |
| 23:29:53 | linuxstb_ | strike that. Capacity on back means 2nd gen. |
| 23:30:05 | flithm | linuxstb, ahhh it's starting to make sense why rockbox ain't booting now :) |
| 23:30:08 | flithm | linuxstb, thanks |
| 23:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yay for delivery receipts, my email message has supposedly been Read already. :) |
| 23:31:43 | petur | hehe |
| 23:32:34 | Bagder | merbanan: me and linuxstb figured out some further mi4 details as you might've spotted |
| 23:32:57 | merbanan | yes, I saw that |
| 23:34:14 | merbanan | the boot rom seems to be more interesting, it's not crypted |
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| 23:34:58 | mirak | merbanan: my bad then |
| 23:35:20 | mirak | merbanan: only the decoder is open ? |
| 23:36:19 | merbanan | mirak: the vc-1 SMTPE spec is open in the sense that you can buy it and do whatever with the produced code from it |
| 23:37:27 | merbanan | but the drafts are still free |
| 23:38:55 | merbanan | anyway they have lots of codecs that aren't open, all wma codecs |
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| 23:54:27 | juxtap | is it possible to set up like a dual boot system |
| 23:54:38 | juxtap | normal ipod firmware + rockbox |
| 23:54:54 | scorche | it comes default like that |
| 23:54:55 | petur | rockbox is dual boot |
| 23:55:13 | scorche | hold menu while booting and it will boot into apple os |
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| 23:55:53 | juxtap | oh, hehe, |
| 23:56:28 | juxtap | so do i just need to put apple_os.bin in root directory? |
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