| 00:00:39 | * | amiconn doesn't even know what that is |
| 00:00:59 | juxtap | oh, it's like an itunes alternative |
| 00:01:01 | earHertz | It's a music playre than you carry in your ass |
| 00:01:02 | juxtap | much better than itunes |
| 00:01:13 | earHertz | oh, ANApod. sorry |
| 00:01:25 | preglow | you thought it said anuspod? :P |
| 00:01:40 | juxtap | heh |
| 00:01:42 | juxtap | analpod |
| 00:01:44 | juxtap | :\ |
| 00:01:48 | * | amiconn doesn't know anything about how itunes works either |
| 00:01:49 | lou | you dont need anapod with rockbox anymore |
| 00:01:51 | preglow | rectapod |
| 00:01:58 | juxtap | yeah i know |
| 00:02:04 | juxtap | but if i want to set up a dual boot thing |
| 00:02:13 | lou | its already there |
| 00:02:20 | lou | just hold menu while booting |
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| 00:02:28 | juxtap | i tried that, didn't work |
| 00:02:31 | lou | and it boots into the apple firmware |
| 00:02:34 | lou | well |
| 00:02:37 | lou | try again |
| 00:02:49 | lou | sometimes it takes me 2-3 times before it works |
| 00:03:03 | juxtap | i think when i installed rockbox i overwrote apple os |
| 00:03:10 | scorche | it didnt |
| 00:03:13 | lou | no |
| 00:03:15 | lou | not possible |
| 00:03:35 | juxtap | oh,k |
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| 00:04:02 | lou | press play for 5 seconds until it shuts off the ipod |
| 00:04:07 | scorche | when you are holding menu, try not to move your thumb much....i think movement on the wheel interferes with it in some way (just a guess) |
| 00:04:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is possible, but you have to do something pretty wrong. |
| 00:04:11 | lou | press and hold menu then |
| 00:04:19 | lou | it should boot into the original FW |
| 00:04:36 | lou | scorche, yeah |
| 00:04:41 | lou | takes time sometimes |
| 00:04:43 | juxtap | ooo |
| 00:04:46 | juxtap | "loading original firmware" |
| 00:04:50 | lou | see? |
| 00:05:15 | juxtap | heh, what i was doing wrong: i pressed the select button THEN pressed menu |
| 00:05:21 | amiconn | Hehe |
| 00:05:23 | juxtap | (instead of just pressing menu) |
| 00:05:36 | amiconn | If I'd do that on my mini g2, it would just reboot again |
| 00:05:46 | * | amiconn removed retailos completely |
| 00:05:51 | juxtap | er, it stalled, nothing is happening |
| 00:06:01 | juxtap | oh |
| 00:06:05 | lou | might take a while |
| 00:06:13 | juxtap | yeah :p |
| 00:07:05 | juxtap | cool i have no music now |
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| 00:08:16 | lou | boot to rockbox, plug your ipod into your pc, copy your mp3 folder on it, done. |
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| 00:11:10 | juxtap | how do i boot back into rockbox? |
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| 00:11:48 | dionoea | juxtap: hold menu+select |
| 00:11:55 | juxtap | btw i have my stuff stored in /rokcboc/music but apple os can't read that |
| 00:11:59 | juxtap | that's why i mentioned anapod |
| 00:12:11 | juxtap | doesn't it need to be stored in a special way? |
| 00:12:52 | juxtap | thanks dionoea |
| 00:13:00 | lou | apple os stores stuff in a special way |
| 00:13:01 | lou | yes |
| 00:13:10 | lou | rockbox does not and can access that directory |
| 00:13:24 | juxtap | yeah i know |
| 00:13:27 | juxtap | but that's ugly. |
| 00:13:48 | lou | whats ugly? |
| 00:14:15 | juxtap | the way apple os stores stuff (itunes anyway) |
| 00:14:20 | juxtap | guess i'll try with anapod |
| 00:14:35 | lou | i dont get it :) |
| 00:14:41 | juxtap | f0001.mp3, f0002.mp3, or something |
| 00:14:46 | juxtap | you don't? what don't you get... |
| 00:14:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well then don't use music in apple OS |
| 00:14:50 | lou | why do you want to store stuff in the apple way now? |
| 00:15:01 | lou | what paul said |
| 00:15:11 | lou | with rockbox the apple stuff is obsolete |
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| 00:15:21 | lou | (except for video playback) |
| 00:15:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Use Apple for video if you must watch videos, but there's no reason to try to make sure your music can play in both |
| 00:16:22 | juxtap | dunnae, for fun |
| 00:16:55 | juxtap | seems my idea is outnumbered though :p |
| 00:17:22 | lou | your idea would use the double ammount of space |
| 00:17:38 | lou | well |
| 00:17:38 | juxtap | not necessarily |
| 00:18:01 | lou | except you prefer to browse through f0001.mp3 etc :) |
| 00:18:07 | lou | instead of 'real' names |
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| 00:18:21 | juxtap | orrrrrr i get anapod to make things nice |
| 00:18:33 | lou | anapod stores stuff in the apple way |
| 00:18:42 | lou | its just an itunes replacement |
| 00:19:02 | mongey | is usb charging in the cvs ? |
| 00:19:04 | juxtap | oh, right |
| 00:19:07 | mongey | for the h300? |
| 00:19:08 | juxtap | you sure? |
| 00:19:11 | lou | i am |
| 00:19:19 | juxtap | i thought the f00001 thing was itunes, not apple |
| 00:19:23 | juxtap | ok |
| 00:19:26 | lou | no |
| 00:19:38 | lou | apple stores stuff in f0001.mp3 etc |
| 00:19:46 | Amien | rockbox can access stuff that was put on the ipod using itunes or anapod |
| 00:19:47 | lou | than makes a DB with the actual names |
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| 00:20:13 | lou | huh? |
| 00:20:16 | lou | how? |
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| 00:20:33 | lou | well you can access the files |
| 00:20:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | TagCache |
| 00:20:43 | lou | but the names and stuff are all messed up |
| 00:20:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lets you browse by Metadata rather than Filename. |
| 00:20:47 | lou | oh tagcache |
| 00:20:49 | lou | yeah |
| 00:20:58 | gpoo | is thier a way that rockbox thru some wifi dongle |
| 00:20:59 | gpoo | and adpator |
| 00:21:06 | gpoo | get wifi support to the ipod |
| 00:21:10 | Amien | general -> file view -> show files −−> id3 database |
| 00:21:11 | gpoo | for internet radio |
| 00:21:13 | lou | i prefer filenames |
| 00:21:13 | gpoo | :) |
| 00:21:17 | dionoea | (the only issue with tagcache is when you have tracks with missing meta data ... makes it horrible to use) |
| 00:21:26 | lou | tagcache looks terribly messed |
| 00:21:36 | dionoea | it works great |
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| 00:21:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | gpoo: While theoretically it *may* be possible, it's unlikely any time even remotely soon. |
| 00:21:42 | lou | not for me |
| 00:21:42 | juxtap | tagcache, heh, sounds cool |
| 00:22:14 | gpoo | wifi −−-{dongle}|ipod port|999999ipod99[wirelss internet9]_____−−headphones |
| 00:22:27 | lou | i rather have album artist -> <subdir> album -> <subdir> files |
| 00:22:49 | gpoo | Paul_The_Nerd my friend who is hardware modder and a mac fan, said he was working on something but need some drivers or firmware support |
| 00:22:59 | gpoo | he got wifi on his netwon |
| 00:23:06 | gpoo | he was able to get wifi to work on his newton |
| 00:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | lou: TagCache is useful because it allows you to create groups, like "All songs with the word Zelda in the title" for quick auto-playlisting. |
| 00:23:37 | heff | gpoo: the newton has different interface options |
| 00:23:44 | lou | i am not arguing that paul :) |
| 00:24:02 | lou | just think its messed (at least the way i tried to use it) |
| 00:24:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | lou: I was just pointing out. I use filetree too, but some people don't seem to be aware of the options beyond simply browsing by tag. :) |
| 00:24:14 | heff | gpoo: it would maybe be possible by implementing USB host mode and then using a usb wifi dongle |
| 00:24:17 | lou | hehe |
| 00:24:19 | lou | people like me |
| 00:24:20 | lou | :P |
| 00:24:25 | gpoo | dam it rebooted again |
| 00:24:31 | gpoo | why does rock box reboot every so often |
| 00:24:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | lou: I don't use it, but I've never had problems with it. But then, all of my files are painstakingly tagged, none are M4A/AAC, and none have album art. |
| 00:24:53 | gpoo | heff yes that his and my idea |
| 00:24:56 | juxtap | Paul_The_Nerd, so how would you create a playlist with 'all tracks from 1990' say? |
| 00:24:58 | gpoo | but I am no programer |
| 00:25:08 | lou | paul, same here |
| 00:25:12 | heff | neither am I :) |
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| 00:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | juxtap: title ? year >= "1990" & year <="1999" in tagnavi.config |
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| 00:26:30 | gpoo | does tag chache run in the background |
| 00:26:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean by that? |
| 00:26:50 | gpoo | k I see |
| 00:27:07 | gpoo | calculus 2 |
| 00:27:13 | gpoo | is the hardest math class I ever taken in my life |
| 00:27:15 | gpoo | why is that |
| 00:27:23 | gpoo | I tought I was a average math student |
| 00:27:26 | gpoo | but it kicking my ass |
| 00:27:35 | gpoo | I never claimed I was a professional math student but average |
| 00:27:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, considering you're taking math sequentially, every class should arguably be a bit harder than the prior. |
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| 00:28:03 | gpoo | hmm sure, but I take caclus 1 it was much better |
| 00:28:16 | gpoo | I heard calcus 3 is better |
| 00:28:38 | gpoo | tag cache is not ready |
| 00:28:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, considering the difficulty you seem to have spelling calculus... :-P |
| 00:28:50 | gpoo | I am dylsxic |
| 00:28:51 | gpoo | :) |
| 00:28:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you read how to use TagCache? |
| 00:28:57 | gpoo | the pdf sure |
| 00:29:02 | gpoo | I am updating it |
| 00:29:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try reading the TagCache wiki page |
| 00:29:13 | gpoo | OH k |
| 00:29:22 | gpoo | I have a big learning disbility |
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| 00:29:48 | gpoo | hmm one last question why doe so offten my ipod reboots |
| 00:29:52 | gpoo | or shut downs |
| 00:30:00 | dionoea | works fine here :) |
| 00:30:01 | gpoo | like if I change a song or playlist |
| 00:30:05 | gpoo | ipod mini |
| 00:30:10 | dionoea | (ipod video) |
| 00:30:13 | gpoo | it works fine if I have pluged in to car charger |
| 00:30:26 | gpoo | I may get a ipod video |
| 00:30:33 | gpoo | if they ever get a 120 gig version |
| 00:30:42 | gpoo | and a pionneer system for the car |
| 00:30:42 | juxtap | don't get ipod video :p |
| 00:30:50 | gpoo | so I can pout all the music albums I have |
| 00:30:52 | dionoea | do you really need 120 GB of music ?!? |
| 00:30:59 | gpoo | I just want to live in my car |
| 00:31:04 | dionoea | hehe :) |
| 00:31:08 | gpoo | I have over 30 days of music |
| 00:31:09 | juxtap | flac maybe |
| 00:31:21 | gpoo | and I wish to convert some cds to .wav format |
| 00:31:25 | gpoo | or .aff |
| 00:31:29 | gpoo | for best quality |
| 00:31:44 | dionoea | so you can listen with your crappy headphones ? :p |
| 00:32:04 | gpoo | oh I said |
| 00:32:08 | gpoo | my pioneer |
| 00:32:12 | gpoo | unit |
| 00:32:18 | gpoo | which is digital input |
| 00:32:20 | gpoo | to the stero |
| 00:32:27 | dionoea | oh ... ok :) |
| 00:32:28 | gpoo | it not headphone port |
| 00:32:36 | gpoo | well thier are good headphones |
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| 00:32:38 | juxtap | one word of advice... ipod 5g is a fragile thing, get a protective sock and be gentle |
| 00:32:39 | gpoo | but they cost 900 |
| 00:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | gpoo: Why WAV, why not FLAC? |
| 00:32:51 | gpoo | it custom made |
| 00:33:05 | gpoo | Paul_The_Nerd does rock box support flac |
| 00:33:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 00:33:16 | gpoo | have you see the 900 usd custom made headphones |
| 00:33:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd suggests you actually read up on what Rockbox does *before* you install it on players. |
| 00:33:30 | gpoo | it was rockstars use, so they don't go deaf |
| 00:33:41 | gpoo | I am using rockbox right know |
| 00:33:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 00:33:55 | gpoo | I been for three weeks and I love it |
| 00:33:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | And yet you don't even know what its featureset is. |
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| 00:34:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems odd to me to install a custom firmware before finding out what it offers. |
| 00:34:10 | gpoo | I should read, I tryed to read somethings |
| 00:34:18 | gpoo | oh I knew what it offered |
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| 00:34:21 | gpoo | not all but some |
| 00:34:24 | gpoo | like gapless |
| 00:34:31 | gpoo | that one feature that I was like wow |
| 00:34:46 | lou | i think gapless is the number one reason why people install rockbox :) |
| 00:34:47 | gpoo | one feature I will waite to improve is battery |
| 00:35:03 | lou | it was the same for me |
| 00:35:05 | gpoo | and support for many format, execpt I didn't read wh ich are they |
| 00:35:16 | gpoo | just assumed |
| 00:35:21 | gpoo | many more then apple |
| 00:35:40 | gpoo | I will tell you the truth I read for 10 mins, then I lose focous and give up reading |
| 00:35:49 | gpoo | but I can stay focous in class |
| 00:36:01 | gpoo | cuase I know the professor could get angry |
| 00:36:34 | juxtap | i am a professor |
| 00:36:38 | gpoo | you are |
| 00:36:45 | gpoo | oh so you know about student with add |
| 00:36:54 | gpoo | what subject |
| 00:37:07 | lou | o/~ we dont need no education. |
| 00:37:08 | gpoo | juxtap do you get student who get a litte extra time |
| 00:37:17 | lou | o/~ hey teacher leave us kids alone |
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| 00:37:41 | lou | one of the best songs |
| 00:37:47 | lou | and still ... true |
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| 00:39:35 | gpoo | juxtap so what do you suggest for a student like me |
| 00:40:48 | gpoo | k bye |
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| 01:10:46 | flithm | hey everyone... I just got rockbox installed on my ipod and it's freakin' sweet! just wanted to say thanks |
| 01:13:19 | Milkmaster | It may be slightly premature, but I'd really like to thank amiconn and also all the others involved for "taming" the ISP1362! If nothing else it's a great burst of hope and my enthusiasm for Rockbox. :) |
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| 01:17:19 | toxicfume | Is it possible to Make the original iPod firmware startup by default..and then Rockbox to start only when I want it to? |
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| 01:18:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | It requires changes to the bootloader |
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| 01:19:14 | flithm | toxicfume, you could carry two ipods :) |
| 01:19:15 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: Is there a bootloader that does that for the iPod Video? |
| 01:19:43 | toxicfume | flithm: you could buy the other one for me :) |
| 01:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | There might be, I don't really know. The official one works the way it works, but the source code is available so if there's not one you could change it yourself. |
| 01:19:50 | flithm | toxicfume, haha :) |
| 01:20:12 | toxicfume | not much of a programmer here. |
| 01:20:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know some people have made reversed ones available for various iPods, but I don't know whoch. |
| 01:20:20 | toxicfume | oh okay |
| 01:20:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | And they're not official, so if you have any problems, switch back to the real one before reporting them. |
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| 01:21:23 | flithm | hey I just discovered there's a doom plugin... I found the page describing how to install the wad's and so forth, but there's no doom plugin on my plugin list... how do I install it? |
| 01:21:26 | toxicfume | okay |
| 01:21:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | flithm: What player do you have? |
| 01:21:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | All supported plugins come with Rockbox. |
| 01:22:00 | toxicfume | one more thing, in the case that I have to replace the firmware on my ipod with the original one, would the songs on my ipod be lost? |
| 01:22:01 | flithm | Paul_The_Nerd, ipod mini 2g −− ahh mine's not supported eh? |
| 01:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | flithm: Not yet, nope. Doom requires the grayscale library. |
| 01:23:40 | scorche | flithm: nope..it is also not color =P |
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| 01:23:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Depends on how you do it. |
| 01:23:57 | flithm | gotcha |
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| 01:31:19 | mongey | anyone have a h300 here |
| 01:32:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why? |
| 01:33:06 | mongey | nvm fixed now |
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| 01:34:13 | mongey | but in the stock firmware when i went to change lcd brightness ect. the bars which ate supposed to be on the rail thing were off te screen and were jumping ect |
| 01:34:34 | mongey | and bits on pink were showing up in 1 or 2 pixe,s |
| 01:34:58 | mongey | wondering if anyorne had this |
| 01:35:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
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| 01:39:27 | * | mongey »» WinAmp «» The Tangles - The Bucket «» 00:06/03:03 [−−−−−−−−−−−−−−] «» 256 kbps n/a «« |
| 01:39:50 | mongey | woops |
| 01:41:29 | mirak | Paul_The_Nerd: what are the next rockbox objectives ? |
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| 01:41:48 | mirak | beside supporting as much dap as possible |
| 01:41:57 | mirak | (if it's even an objective) |
| 01:42:06 | Amien | is this correct? bookmark wont work if using id3tag mode |
| 01:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | mirak: At the moment, bugfixes. |
| 01:43:05 | mirak | just a question, how to use the tag database ? |
| 01:43:57 | PaulJam | mirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=TagCache |
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| 01:48:01 | baobab68 | hi all |
| 01:48:44 | mongey | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=461351&postcount=27 <<<<<< i need help with a comeback |
| 01:49:04 | mirak | PaulJam: thanks, I missed the file view step |
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| 01:50:07 | baobab68 | amiconn: just wanted to go on record with a hearty 'congrats!' |
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| 01:53:45 | flithm | does rockbox play (unencrypted) mpeg4? |
| 01:54:29 | toxicfume | i just installed rockbox, but how do i boot into the original firmware? |
| 01:54:49 | toxicfume | using ipod video |
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| 01:55:14 | Amien | hold menu while booting |
| 01:55:14 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:55:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure that's in the Manual or the FAQ, if not both |
| 01:55:22 | linuxstb | flithm: What kind of mpeg4? |
| 01:55:32 | flithm | linuxstb, m4a? |
| 01:55:46 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: not as far as i could see, really. |
| 01:55:56 | Mikachu | it's in IpodFAQ |
| 01:56:08 | linuxstb | flithm: Even .m4a is vague... I'm guessing you mean AAC, and yes, Rockbox just about plays it. |
| 01:56:24 | flithm | linuxstb, just about? :) |
| 01:56:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Apparently it's in at least the FAQ, as I just verified it's there. |
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| 01:57:34 | linuxstb | flithm: Yes. :) There is an AAC decoder, but it's not that good. It works for low bitrates (128kbps and maybe slightly higher) on the ipod, but can't decode in realtime on the iriver/iaudio players. |
| 01:57:56 | * | flithm nods |
| 01:58:36 | linuxstb | We're waiting for either the ffmpeg project to perform another miracle and implement their own AAC decoder or for someone to work on optimising the one we've got. |
| 01:59:05 | flithm | commercial players should really start shipping with rockbox... personally I love the ipod hardware but right from the first time it booted up I was astounded at how crappy its OS is given how popular it is |
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| 02:00:15 | toxicfume | it's not crappy IMO, the interface is intuitive and simple and just works for majority of the people who use it |
| 02:00:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was quite counterintuitive to me. |
| 02:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I kept trying to press the button labelled "Menu" with the expectation that it would bring me to a Menu from most screens. |
| 02:01:39 | flithm | nah it's total crap. the eq is shite, the way songs are organized is idiotic... give me a directory structure anyday... everything about it is weak. It's in no way made for people who like music −− which is what portable music players are all about. |
| 02:01:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Naah, iPod's aren't about people who like music. |
| 02:02:04 | toxicfume | not here, once you figure out that center button is select, and menu goes back, it's really simple to navigate around |
| 02:02:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're about people who install huge subwoofers in their car and think it improves the way music sounds |
| 02:02:15 | flithm | hahaha |
| 02:02:24 | flithm | yeah I suppose you're right |
| 02:02:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Yes, but *why* does menu go back? Why not the key labelled "Left" since that's back considering the direction that menus point is to the right? |
| 02:03:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | You shouldn't have to figure out that keys don't do what their labels say in the STOCK firmware. |
| 02:03:14 | toxicfume | lets not get into philosophy here, but really for me i had no trouble getting used to it. |
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| 02:03:53 | flithm | at the very least a music player should have a fully tweakable EQ... I simply can't imagine releasing a music player without one, yet sure enough... apple did it and got away with it |
| 02:04:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought the definition of "Intuitive" pretty much implied that a user could pick it up and have things do what they expect without having to learn quirks... |
| 02:04:23 | toxicfume | flithm: not everyone will mess about with a full EQ, that's useless for most people who only want to listen to their music. |
| 02:04:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | flithm: There are very few MP3 players that DO have one. |
| 02:05:00 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: I picked it up really quickly. |
| 02:05:12 | flithm | Really? that's madness! |
| 02:05:14 | toxicfume | not trying to blow my horns but yes |
| 02:05:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: To the contrary, a non-customizable one is useless for people who actually want to use it properly (lessen the effects of a setup that in some manner distorts their audio). And "Picked it up really quickly" is different from "Intuitive." Easy to learn is still by definition of the word intuitive, not intuitive, simply easy to learn. |
| 02:05:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll give Apple that their interface is simple, and really easy to learn. |
| 02:06:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | But at BEST it's counterintuitive since many things do the opposite of what one would expect from button labels. |
| 02:06:19 | toxicfume | well, the Apple designed the player not for audiophiles who want to mess about with specific EQ settings |
| 02:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | We're talking definitions here, not your seeming assumption that "intuitive" means the same as "easy" |
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| 02:07:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Then why have EQ settings at all. All the presets just distort the public's conception of what an EQ really is. |
| 02:07:36 | scorche | intuitive is not asking someone what to hit to go back, then saying "oh. that was easy" |
| 02:08:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Exactly, intuitive is pressing the first button that comes to mind when thinking "back" and having it work. |
| 02:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Unfortunately, my thought was "If deeper is right, back is left" |
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| 02:08:32 | flithm | I had a friend with an ipod who didn't know you could turn it off by holding pause, or hit select and then rotate to seek inside a track for a year after he'd has his :) |
| 02:08:42 | scorche | that too |
| 02:09:01 | scorche | i know many people that though how they turned their players off was to switch the hold on and wait |
| 02:09:03 | toxicfume | i dont get it, most people who i know who have ipods know how to navigate right away. Maybe it's not intuitive as in being clear with the symbols and words on the interface |
| 02:09:25 | scorche | *thought |
| 02:09:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: So the first button they press to go back is always Menu, the first time they use it, without asking? |
| 02:09:47 | scorche | without seeing it be used before? |
| 02:10:04 | toxicfume | ofcourse by "right away" i meant the first few uses. Lol, such nitpicking on my words i better give up now. |
| 02:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you used "Intuitive" |
| 02:10:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which has a very specific meaning |
| 02:10:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which you seem to have missed. |
| 02:10:28 | toxicfume | I'm sprry. |
| 02:10:31 | toxicfume | *sorry |
| 02:10:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Besides, Apple MADE the iPod |
| 02:10:47 | toxicfume | i beg for your forgiveness? |
| 02:10:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why did they write "Menu" on the button, if that's not what it's for? |
| 02:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Believe it or not, they actually got to pick what was written on the player AND what the buttons do. |
| 02:11:34 | * | scorche exits the conversation just as quickly and seamlessly as he came into it |
| 02:11:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 02:11:45 | toxicfume | well, they've outsold every other player, they have done something right. |
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| 02:12:00 | scorche | toxicfume: it is called advertising |
| 02:12:06 | scorche | errrr....im out |
| 02:12:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, sales aren't representative of quality. |
| 02:12:21 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points at VHS. |
| 02:12:38 | toxicfume | and i really dont think that deeply about what "Menu" means and what it's supposed to do and what the right symbol means, I press it, see what it does, and remember it. |
| 02:13:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: By that definition any interface is fine, since it's all trial and error. Why label buttons at all? |
| 02:13:16 | flithm | this is so awesome |
| 02:13:18 | toxicfume | Menu deals with Menus for me |
| 02:13:19 | flithm | eq with precut |
| 02:13:23 | flithm | deargod I'm happy :) |
| 02:13:31 | toxicfume | and i understand the ipod that way |
| 02:13:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | How does it "deal with menus"? |
| 02:13:42 | toxicfume | if I press Menu, it's going to take me to the top level Menu |
| 02:13:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it doesn't. |
| 02:13:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It goes back one level. |
| 02:13:57 | toxicfume | and if i hold it, it'll take me to the Main menu |
| 02:14:06 | toxicfume | sorry top level = one level above the current position. |
| 02:14:11 | toxicfume | english isn't my first language. |
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| 02:14:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But from the Song list, hitting Menu takes you to the Album list, rather than any Menu. |
| 02:14:51 | toxicfume | there it is, it deals with menus |
| 02:15:05 | toxicfume | Album list is the Menu |
| 02:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, it's a list of Albums |
| 02:15:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Otherwise the only place that ISN'T a menu is the While Playing Screen, and the games. |
| 02:15:33 | toxicfume | i dont know, replacing that word with Menu works for me |
| 02:15:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, it works because you've chosen to redefine what things are until it does. |
| 02:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 02:15:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Fair enough |
| 02:15:56 | toxicfume | wow, the interface must have been way too confusing the first time you sed it |
| 02:16:02 | toxicfume | *used |
| 02:16:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I had no problems using it. |
| 02:16:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just said it isn't intuitive. There's a difference. |
| 02:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are very few truly intuitive interfaces. I think a one-button mouse in a black and white paint program is about as close as you can get. |
| 02:17:06 | toxicfume | well, it seems logical enough to me. But i guess maybe i dont have the perfect definition for the word intuitive |
| 02:17:42 | toxicfume | well but the interface just works, it's really simple and logical i think. |
| 02:17:59 | toxicfume | ofcourse no one would get it on the first go |
| 02:18:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It took me about 15 seconds to have a pretty firm grasp on it. |
| 02:18:34 | scorche | toxicfume: you are on the edge again with the word "logical" instead of intuitive |
| 02:18:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | And about 5 more to think "Man, that's pretty stupid. Menu should open up a menu, and left and right should actually go left and right." |
| 02:18:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Logical and Intuitive are almost opposite concepts. |
| 02:19:12 | xoder | Paul_The_Nerd: there are many ways to do an "intuitive" interface. The problem is that they are all misrepresenting themselves. There is no Intuitive Interface. If you're lucky, you can base your interface off of someone else's and then its intuitive to those former users. If you're lucky, you can make an interface intuitive to a certain subgroup of people. |
| 02:19:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Logical relating to reasoning, and Intuitive meaning that it requires no reasoning whatsoever, instead springing from instinct and intuition. |
| 02:19:17 | flithm | my ipod has never sounded so good. Now if only I could fit a subwoofer into its case somehow |
| 02:19:28 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: however, it isnt logical that menu wouldnt take you to the menu |
| 02:19:51 | toxicfume | a menu is a list of items for me |
| 02:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | xoder: Yup, as I said there aren't any *truly* intuitive interfaces really. That's why Rockbox is nice. By definition it's mostly intuitive to previous Rockbox users when they switch devices. |
| 02:20:26 | xoder | Yay! Agreement! |
| 02:20:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: So, "Explorer" shows you a menu of your drive? |
| 02:21:38 | toxicfume | if it was on another device, and they used the term menu, i would understand it |
| 02:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Understanding it is completely different from expecting it. |
| 02:23:51 | toxicfume | I dont expect much anyways :P |
| 02:24:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The whole idea of intuitive is "does what the user is most likely to expect" for interfaces. At least, in general |
| 02:24:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's why my point was that the Menu button doesn't do what I'd expect it to. |
| 02:24:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've already said that the interface is easy to use, and simple. |
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| 02:25:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | So clearly the only point we have left to disagree on is intuitiveness. Which you gave up on, but then for some reason kept responding and arguing. |
| 02:25:15 | toxicfume | well the only thing that i remember thinknig when i saw the Menu button for the first time was that this button has something to do with Menus, and the definition worked for me, ofcourse it may not work for everyone else. |
| 02:25:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Something to do with Menus" |
| 02:25:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 02:25:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wonderfully vague. |
| 02:26:13 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is going to make a remote with 10 buttons each labelled "Channel Number" |
| 02:26:32 | toxicfume | yeah, i didn't thnik anything in specific |
| 02:26:48 | toxicfume | Menu = this button has to deal with menus, that's it. |
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| 02:26:57 | toxicfume | and then i started using it |
| 02:27:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | On *most* devices, the menu button calls up the menu. |
| 02:27:16 | toxicfume | and whenever i pressed it, it would take me to a menu one level above the current position. It worked for me. |
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| 02:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And we're talking everything here: Cameras, Television Remotes, other MP3 players, etc, etc, etc. |
| 02:28:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes that the PortalPlayer guy would respond today, but decides it's unlikely. |
| 02:28:32 | toxicfume | this one does too, but it wont for you because of your strict definition of Menu |
| 02:28:48 | toxicfume | but i have a vague one |
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| 02:29:43 | toxicfume | a flexible definition+ slight learning(like you said less than 15 seconds), made it work for me. |
| 02:29:50 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: On Saturday? Highly unlikely imho |
| 02:29:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I never said ANYTHING about it not working fine. |
| 02:30:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: It's 5:30 PM sunday where he is, I believe |
| 02:30:08 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders how precise is the battery ETA |
| 02:30:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Friday, not sunday |
| 02:30:15 | amiconn | AH, 'cause |
| 02:30:19 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: are you a programmer? |
| 02:30:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Why? |
| 02:30:29 | amiconn | Hmmmmm |
| 02:30:30 | toxicfume | sorry for generalizing. |
| 02:30:35 | Genre9mp3 | I just couldn't resist and checked the battery level of my H340 |
| 02:30:54 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: thanks for the work ;) |
| 02:30:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I got a read receipt confirmation hours ago, but that doesn't necessarily mean much. |
| 02:31:18 | toxicfume | they tend to be really specific and nitpicky about words and definitions people say. It's not an insult btw, just an observation. |
| 02:31:26 | toxicfume | *say/use |
| 02:31:27 | Genre9mp3 | After 5 hours the battery is at 81% which is more than expected! :) |
| 02:31:37 | Genre9mp3 | hi pixelma |
| 02:31:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: I'm more nitpicky about them in arguments than in normal, because it's really important to have a clear understanding about what's being disagreed on. |
| 02:32:19 | amiconn | For some reason I thought portalplayer was asian... |
| 02:32:27 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: can't see hardeep around though.... |
| 02:32:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Well, the guy I contacted is in San Jose, California |
| 02:33:03 | toxicfume | okay question |
| 02:33:08 | Genre9mp3 | maybe someone else with CVS access can commit the updated files |
| 02:33:12 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: I also mean the fmr-files and especially updating the zips |
| 02:33:14 | amiconn | Yeah, and that's the headquarters according to their website |
| 02:33:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Though they're also in Hyderabad, India |
| 02:33:32 | Genre9mp3 | Oh...np |
| 02:34:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:34:05 | toxicfume | if I unhide the Ipod_Control folder, will rockbox be able to be the weirdly organized mp3 files and would they still work in the Apple firmware? |
| 02:34:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like to pretend that the lack of response despite the read receipt means that it's actually gone somewhere for discussion, since I didn't just receive an outright "no" |
| 02:34:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: TagCache doesn't care if the folder's hidden or not, I believe |
| 02:35:01 | Genre9mp3 | At a previous battery bench I made some time ago, the battery went to 81% after 2 hours and 15 mins...Now it went to that level after 5 hours!!! |
| 02:35:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, about twice as long |
| 02:35:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pretty much what is expected, right? |
| 02:35:26 | Genre9mp3 | more than twice I could say |
| 02:35:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | A wee bit more |
| 02:35:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2:15 * 2 == 4:30, you said ~5 hours, fairly close. |
| 02:36:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, it seems we could save some energy on PP5022: |
| 02:36:55 | amiconn | "...uses ultra-low 1.2V core supply voltage and *system enabled dynamic voltage scaling*" |
| 02:37:10 | amiconn | Now if we only knew how to control it... |
| 02:37:16 | toxicfume | okay, i think im' conditioned to be comfortable with apples interface, because now i'm finding rockbox confusing |
| 02:37:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 02:38:45 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: I would say it's about 120% more |
| 02:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: It's possible. We'll see on the full benchmark, 'eh ;) |
| 02:39:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, it'll make you guys happy |
| 02:39:42 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: in the Rockbox File browser I dont see the iPod_Control folder, is it because it's hidden? |
| 02:39:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Yes |
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| 02:40:19 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Of course...It's just that I can't wait for the results :) |
| 02:40:22 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: alright. But if I unhide it, will it mess up the playlist in the Apple OS? |
| 02:40:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: If you set it to show all files (Hold Menu to get the quickmenu, then change the file view) you can browse it, but it's not much use since the filenames are strange. |
| 02:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't need to unhide it to browse it. |
| 02:40:36 | toxicfume | oh okay |
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| 02:48:37 | xoder | So, has anyone thought about taking the JPEG viewer and turning it into a PNG viewer? |
| 02:48:44 | xoder | [the plugin, that is] |
| 02:48:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody's done it. |
| 02:49:10 | xoder | I've been looking at the jpeg plugin viewer, and the decoding is pretty easily seperated from the UI |
| 02:49:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be neat if someone also hooked up BMP display as well |
| 02:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now BMPs have no default action, but are supported because you can set proper resolution ones as backdrops. It'd be nice if you could view all the rest of 'em. ;) |
| 02:49:58 | xoder | so, then could the display be handled by a system call? |
| 02:50:04 | xoder | (for BMP) |
| 02:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | I really don't know. |
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| 02:50:52 | earHertz | I ewas going to switch to linux, but I heard it's for hippies and communists |
| 02:51:07 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i also suggested this ('since the bmp display code is already in the core, why don't we have a viewer?').. |
| 02:51:22 | midkay | the response was that we should probably wait and turn the jpg plugin into an image viewer supporting multiple formats or so.. |
| 02:51:33 | xoder | The biggest concerns for me about PNG are: whether I can just drop the CRCs (This is an embedded system, and we shouldn't waste time), how to best impliment COMPRESS, and the proper color decimation for 24bit PNGs (as well as the proper mapping for palletted ones) |
| 02:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, I was just suggestiong implementing BMP viewing in the Jpeg viewer... so... :-P |
| 02:52:10 | xoder | midkay: I disagree about making the jpeg viewer multiformat. It uses quite a few JPEG-specific rendering tricks |
| 02:52:29 | midkay | i don't necessarily mean converting the jpeg viewer itself, sorry.. i just mean a general image viewer. |
| 02:52:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The plugin itself should be imageview.rock |
| 02:52:40 | midkay | having different viewers entirely for jpg, bmp, png, etc... is not a good idea. |
| 02:52:46 | midkay | right, like that. |
| 02:52:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | With the UI code separate from the format-specific portions |
| 02:53:06 | amiconn | midkay: (1) Why? (2) On archos it might be necessary to have separate viewers |
| 02:53:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | xoder: Look at the existing Rockbox code for 24-bit bitmaps and you can probably use their existing conversions for the colors. |
| 02:53:22 | midkay | amiconn, haha, it was in fact you who suggested this, if memory serves me right.. |
| 02:53:25 | earHertz | midkay: the GUI shoould be the same. Teh implemtation should be differnt. The gui should call a set of rendring functins. |
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| 02:53:39 | midkay | earHertz, did i suggest otherwise? |
| 02:54:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh... ooh... Image Codecs! For rendering them to WPS as well! :-P |
| 02:54:01 | earHertz | make a common viewer gui, and establish a siomple AI for rendering functuions |
| 02:54:10 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, more or less |
| 02:54:10 | xoder | the JPEG viewer uses several shortcuts that only work in YUV space. PNG uses RGB space |
| 02:54:22 | midkay | sigh.. i'll slip on out of this discussion.. |
| 02:54:23 | xoder | (especially for monochrome or 2-bit displays) |
| 02:54:29 | amiconn | Above all, the JPEG viewer uses idct scaling |
| 02:54:44 | amiconn | The colour space is much less of a problem |
| 02:54:45 | xoder | which simply wouldn't work for any other format |
| 02:54:52 | earHertz | holy crap! speed freaks eat cats!? |
| 02:55:14 | * | earHertz is watching a sdocumentary on drugs |
| 02:55:48 | xoder | amiconn: on second thought, you're right about the colorspace thing |
| 02:56:28 | xoder | I'd also be concerned that since we can't use something like idct scaling, we'd have to render the whole image to memory and then zoom/decimate, which would suck memory hardcore |
| 02:57:39 | amiconn | Not necessarily |
| 02:57:56 | amiconn | We could load stripes into a buffer and scale down |
| 02:59:00 | xoder | i like that idea |
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| 03:03:19 | mongey | has anyone changed their battery on their h300? |
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| 03:09:34 | amiconn | mongey: If you're looking for a guide: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34257 |
| 03:09:59 | amiconn | I didn't replace the battery, but I used that guide for opening my H340 to do my measurements |
| 03:10:13 | amiconn | Easier than figuring it out myself |
| 03:10:33 | mongey | im lookig for a place to buy one |
| 03:10:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ebay seems popular |
| 03:11:39 | mongey | crap |
| 03:11:55 | mongey | where would i get the really small screwdrivers |
| 03:12:15 | earHertz | mongey: in little tiny bars |
| 03:12:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 03:12:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can pick 'em up at many electronics stores. |
| 03:12:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're in the US, Fry's Electronics, Radio Shack, or just about any hardware store. |
| 03:13:54 | mongey | ireland :P |
| 03:14:22 | earHertz | mongey: mug a leprechaun who reads slashdot |
| 03:14:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | That ought to do it, yes. |
| 03:14:53 | * | mongey puts his hunting gear on |
| 03:14:56 | mongey | bbs |
| 03:15:11 | earHertz | is it cannibalism to ear leorechaun? |
| 03:15:15 | earHertz | eat |
| 03:15:27 | Mikachu | i don't think it's been tried in court |
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| 03:27:32 | chendo1 | woo |
| 03:27:51 | chendo1 | i love you amiconn <33 |
| 03:28:08 | chendo1 | although what does the faster ATA timings do? |
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| 03:34:26 | luckz | http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showpost.php?p=88087&postcount=22 <−− mh? |
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| 03:43:29 | mongey | emmm |
| 03:43:52 | mongey | panic came up on my screen |
| 03:44:10 | mongey | =/ |
| 03:44:44 | ashridah | it's the apocalypse! run! :) |
| 03:45:13 | idnar | Don't Panic |
| 03:45:26 | mongey | i have to find the leprechaun |
| 03:45:28 | idnar | we need Rockbox H2G2 Edition |
| 03:45:41 | mongey | ? |
| 03:46:02 | ashridah | mongey: hitchhikers guide |
| 03:46:12 | ashridah | idnar: not a bad idea for a WPS |
| 03:46:27 | ashridah | pity we can't script the hell out of the interface for rockbox |
| 03:46:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the Wikipedia on Rockbox effort kinda implements that idea too |
| 03:46:41 | ashridah | how cool could it get, have all the funky animations :) |
| 03:46:43 | idnar | heh |
| 03:47:55 | chendo1 | oh yeah |
| 03:48:11 | chendo1 | does anyone else have small dots and stuff on the screen of a H300 when the hard drive is spinning? |
| 03:48:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | chendo1: How old/new is your build? |
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| 03:49:25 | chendo1 | it's got the battery patch on it |
| 03:49:30 | chendo1 | and it's been happening for a while |
| 03:51:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, see, neither of those statements answered my question... |
| 03:51:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I guess you mean "It's a build from after Amiconn fixed the battery issue" |
| 03:52:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there is another patch on the tracker relating to power management on the H300, if I recall, so I can't be sure. |
| 03:52:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | And "battery patch" rather clearly implies a patch rather than something official... |
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| 03:52:46 | Genre9mp3 | chendo1: Please..answer the question! :) |
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| 03:53:18 | Genre9mp3 | he can continue talking for ages... |
| 03:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really not safe for me to make the assumption that by "battery patch" you mean "it's a new build" |
| 03:55:11 | chendo1 | Paul_The_Nerd: battery patch is that one in CVS... |
| 03:55:11 | aliask | Is rockbox.org down? |
| 03:55:11 | chendo1 | and sorry, i was getting mine to ork |
| 03:55:11 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Just teasing you.. :) |
| 03:55:11 | mongey | the panic is after coming up again |
| 03:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which was never actually a patch, so calling it "the battery patch" really makes very little sense. |
| 03:55:11 | mongey | mount 0 |
| 03:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | aliask: I know I can't get to it. =/ |
| 03:55:11 | * | chendo1 shrugs |
| 03:55:11 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Paul_The_Nerd |
| 03:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | chendo1: Okay, do the dots happen in Rockbox only, or in iRiver as well? |
| 03:55:26 | chendo1 | lemme check |
| 03:55:26 | aliask | As soon as I want that damn ISP chip to go to sleep, rockbox.org fails. Brilliant. :D |
| 03:55:26 | chendo1 | Paul_The_Nerd: no, it doesn't |
| 03:55:29 | chendo1 | and the screen also flickers on HD access and doesn't in iRiver |
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| 04:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to remember there being a bug like that, I thought it'd been resolved though |
| 04:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently not |
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| 04:18:42 | earHertz | anybody want to give me a rundown on adding a settings menu? |
| 04:20:50 | midkay | settings_menu.c? |
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| 04:20:57 | earHertz | yah |
| 04:21:25 | midkay | honestly, i'm not familiar with it, but it wasn't hard for me to figure out as far as adding an entry.. just look around and try to figure it out.. |
| 04:21:35 | earHertz | ok |
| 04:21:36 | midkay | a good tactic would be to look at a menu that's similar to what you want to add. |
| 04:21:49 | earHertz | yah |
| 04:22:07 | midkay | e.g. "System".. find the lang id (e.g. LANG_SYSTEM).. search settings_menu.c for it.. see where it's referenced, and add yours in all those places. |
| 04:22:29 | earHertz | rigjht, thanks |
| 04:22:45 | midkay | np. :) |
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| 04:25:03 | Kyl3 | Great job on solving that about the iRiver Battery Consumtion. |
| 04:25:08 | Kyl3 | Its so much better |
| 04:25:38 | earHertz | midkay: did yiou know that speed freaks eat cats? |
| 04:29:35 | Kyl3 | Are you guys working on an iPod 3g port? |
| 04:29:52 | midkay | earHertz, i did not. :) |
| 04:29:57 | midkay | until your message like an hour ago. |
| 04:30:03 | midkay | Kyl3, it's in development, yes.. |
| 04:30:09 | midkay | i think rockbox may even run on it, but no audio. |
| 04:30:13 | earHertz | midkay: it's important to know |
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| 04:30:28 | midkay | are you a SPEED FREAK, earHertz?! |
| 04:30:55 | earHertz | no, no, some hippie said it in a dicumentary shoot in teh sixties in sanfran |
| 04:31:20 | earHertz | they'd get all hopped up, and capture alley cats and eat them |
| 04:31:32 | midkay | haha. that's awful/disgusting. |
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| 04:31:50 | earHertz | so, more speed freaks, fewer feral cats, more rats, = plaque |
| 04:31:54 | earHertz | plague |
| 04:32:05 | earHertz | think about it! |
| 04:32:14 | Kyl3 | ok cool |
| 04:32:50 | earHertz | goddamn hippies |
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| 04:38:55 | midkay | haha. |
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| 04:56:19 | jungti1234 | hey |
| 04:56:23 | jungti1234 | 'During save of file Main.IriverE10Info an error was found by the version control system. Please notify your Rockbox administrator.' what's mean? |
| 04:56:31 | jungti1234 | Topic save error |
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| 04:58:27 | midkay | hard to say, try copying everything in it, closing the window, going back and hitting edit, re-pasting it, and saving again.. |
| 04:58:43 | midkay | maybe cause the server seemed to go down for a little while recently. |
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| 05:17:08 | jungti1234 | midkay |
| 05:17:17 | dongs | they let jungti1234 have commit access? |
| 05:17:22 | jungti1234 | no |
| 05:17:29 | dongs | is he uploading zerg WPS theme? :D |
| 05:17:34 | jungti1234 | no |
| 05:17:38 | jungti1234 | dongs |
| 05:17:41 | jungti1234 | why zerg? |
| 05:17:42 | midkay | not that funny.. |
| 05:17:44 | jungti1234 | japanese = monkey? |
| 05:17:46 | midkay | jungti1234, yes? |
| 05:17:50 | dongs | jungti1234: maybe |
| 05:17:54 | jungti1234 | I don't understand. |
| 05:17:58 | jungti1234 | your mind. |
| 05:18:03 | dongs | nobody does |
| 05:18:10 | jungti1234 | Save attachment error /usr/bin/ci -q -l -mOMMENT|U% -t-none -wSERNAME|S% %FILENAME|F% |
| 05:18:15 | jungti1234 | ci: missing message for -m option |
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| 05:19:01 | jungti1234 | why happen error? |
| 05:19:04 | midkay | jungti1234, did you try it again? |
| 05:19:10 | midkay | after re-opening the page? |
| 05:19:15 | jungti1234 | ok, wait |
| 05:19:56 | jungti1234 | hmm |
| 05:20:03 | jungti1234 | I did try again |
| 05:20:09 | jungti1234 | but error happen too. |
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| 05:36:11 | spifwand | hi |
| 05:36:13 | spifwand | so like |
| 05:36:19 | spifwand | i have rockbox firmware on |
| 05:36:24 | spifwand | and i'm completely out of battery |
| 05:36:28 | spifwand | now i can't charge |
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| 05:36:50 | midkay | maybe you could be more specific.. what model? |
| 05:36:54 | spifwand | http://home.comcast.net/~kidd3ckz/06-16-06_1359.3gp |
| 05:37:03 | spifwand | quicktime video of it |
| 05:37:07 | spifwand | hows that for specific? |
| 05:37:18 | spifwand | it just keeps rebooting |
| 05:37:59 | midkay | try holding menu+select to reset, and then menu+play as soon as the apple logo comes up.. should enter disk mode.. |
| 05:38:18 | midkay | i think this is a rather rare but known problem with a few units, where USB detection acts weird. |
| 05:38:26 | spifwand | mmk |
| 05:38:30 | spifwand | brb |
| 05:38:59 | spifwand | thank you |
| 05:38:59 | spifwand | :) |
| 05:39:10 | midkay | np, if it helps.. |
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| 05:39:14 | spifwand | it did |
| 05:39:21 | spifwand | now it just stays at "safe to disconnect" |
| 05:39:26 | spifwand | and i assume its charging |
| 05:39:52 | midkay | did you plug it in afterwards? what's the icon say? does it show a battery with a charge icon? |
| 05:39:56 | midkay | bolt of lightning i think. |
| 05:40:07 | spifwand | i did it while it was plugged into the wall |
| 05:40:15 | spifwand | and now its got a check mark with "Safe to disconnect" |
| 05:40:22 | spifwand | and the little battery at the top i believe is blinking |
| 05:40:34 | spifwand | rather its animating |
| 05:40:44 | midkay | yeah, that sounds right.. |
| 05:40:51 | spifwand | sounds perfect :) |
| 05:40:54 | midkay | maybe it will fix itself if you let it charge for a while and try it again. :) |
| 05:40:54 | spifwand | sounds like YOUR THE MAN |
| 05:40:57 | spifwand | or woman |
| 05:40:58 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:41:01 | midkay | the first one. |
| 05:41:03 | spifwand | but most likely man |
| 05:41:05 | spifwand | ;) |
| 05:41:07 | midkay | :) |
| 05:41:41 | spifwand | yeah it was rebooting i believe cuz it was totally out of a charge i left it playing to drain my bluetooth headphones |
| 05:41:55 | spifwand | which btw are awesome |
| 05:42:00 | midkay | ah.. yeah, possible. |
| 05:42:04 | midkay | cool. :) |
| 05:42:05 | dongs | lol bluetooth |
| 05:42:15 | dongs | does bluetooth even have enough bandwidht to send raw 44khz pcm? |
| 05:42:15 | midkay | btw, also check your connection to your PC from the cable.. |
| 05:42:28 | dongs | last i checked bluetooth was like 115kbit |
| 05:42:29 | midkay | obviously.. |
| 05:42:35 | dongs | obviously? |
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| 05:42:53 | midkay | if he has bluetooth headphones.. |
| 05:42:59 | spifwand | lol |
| 05:43:16 | dongs | yeah, but what kinda shit quality do you get out of 115kbit link |
| 05:43:17 | dongs | for audio |
| 05:43:25 | midkay | dongs, how about googling.. |
| 05:43:29 | spifwand | i don't know much about bluetooth transmission rates, the ones i have are made by jensen |
| 05:43:30 | dongs | sure! |
| 05:43:47 | spifwand | the logitech ones don't fit the 5g |
| 05:43:59 | spifwand | 20 ft line of sight required |
| 05:44:06 | spifwand | if i get my arm in the way it stutters |
| 05:44:11 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:44:16 | spifwand | so i walk with a limp |
| 05:44:18 | spifwand | ;) |
| 05:44:49 | midkay | sounds like it isn't worth it :) |
| 05:46:28 | spifwand | psssh i get ppl all the time double taking "OMG WHERE ARE UR WIRES?" "thats that new BT technology" |
| 05:46:31 | spifwand | totally worth it to stunt |
| 05:46:37 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:46:52 | midkay | s'pose so :) |
| 05:47:02 | spifwand | and i'm poor so i stunt as much as possible with as little as possible |
| 05:47:29 | midkay | haha. btw, i noticed you're using a wall charger. |
| 05:47:31 | midkay | that may well be the problem. |
| 05:47:45 | midkay | in fact i'm sure it is. |
| 05:47:45 | dongs | Data Rate: 1 Mbps |
| 05:47:55 | spifwand | rockbox don't charge with wall? |
| 05:47:55 | dongs | wow, so they're NOT sending raw 44khz pcm |
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| 05:48:08 | dongs | what a waste, i bet audiophiles are puking right now |
| 05:48:21 | midkay | spifwand, rockbox can't detect the difference between USB or charger since they both use the same port. |
| 05:48:37 | midkay | and so it assumes USB, reboots to disk mode, and then disk mode says "hey, this ain't usb.. let's reboot back to rockbox".. |
| 05:48:38 | midkay | and so on. |
| 05:48:51 | spifwand | makes sense |
| 05:48:59 | midkay | forcing disk mode is the best option for charging from wall.. which is how i told you.. select+play on boot. |
| 05:49:09 | midkay | that way it won't automatically reboot after it decides it's not USB. |
| 05:49:15 | spifwand | sounds good, i'll remember that |
| 05:49:24 | | Part Paul_The_Ner1 |
| 05:49:30 | spifwand | so now that and video are the only quirks that irk me |
| 05:49:39 | spifwand | but i still love rockbox to teh max |
| 05:49:45 | spifwand | all the girlies love it |
| 05:49:46 | midkay | don't expect it soon.. :) |
| 05:49:49 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:49:49 | spifwand | pssh im not |
| 05:49:50 | midkay | nice. |
| 05:50:05 | midkay | apple's firmware plays really nice video anyways, i'm not holding my breath at all.. |
| 05:50:26 | spifwand | yeah i actually put ipod defualt firmware back on it cuz im like "oh well rockbox can't play videos" |
| 05:50:33 | spifwand | but then... i never loaded any videos on it for 2 months |
| 05:50:37 | midkay | you know you can dual-boot, right? |
| 05:50:47 | midkay | with rockbox installed you can still access the default firmware. |
| 05:50:53 | spifwand | yeah but i already changed the layout of my songs |
| 05:51:10 | spifwand | they're all in subfolders made with mediamonkey |
| 05:51:21 | midkay | ah, but if you ever wanted videos, you could do that.. |
| 05:51:31 | spifwand | yeah good point |
| 05:51:59 | spifwand | i'll dual boot next time i update it, i gotta put the theme tweaks on it too |
| 05:52:06 | spifwand | after i figure out how to do that |
| 05:52:08 | spifwand | lol |
| 05:52:24 | spifwand | i'm learning flash, and final cut pro right now- and i'm adhd. so one thing at a time |
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| 05:52:34 | midkay | what do you mean, next time you update it? rockbox doesn't even have the capability to *not* dual-boot.. you could access the apple firmware *right now* if you wanted. :) |
| 05:52:42 | midkay | ah, cool. :) |
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| 05:52:52 | spifwand | fpm |
| 05:52:54 | spifwand | bleh |
| 05:53:04 | spifwand | whats the basic dual booting method? |
| 05:53:25 | spifwand | like if i wanted to get into ipod i woulnd't be able to just hold down buttons right? |
| 05:53:29 | spifwand | i'd need to partition somthing? |
| 05:53:43 | midkay | just power off, and to get into the default firmware, instead of pressing menu to turn on, just hold it down until you see "booting default firmware".. |
| 05:53:56 | spifwand | wow. im an idiot |
| 05:53:57 | spifwand | :) |
| 05:54:05 | midkay | haha, nah.. lots of people overlook it. :) |
| 05:54:36 | idnar | it's not supported on some players, though |
| 05:54:42 | idnar | not supported yet, I mean |
| 05:54:45 | spifwand | i'll tell u if it works in 2 seconds |
| 05:54:50 | spifwand | (approx_ |
| 05:55:04 | midkay | idnar, what isn't? |
| 05:56:16 | idnar | midkay: booting the original firmware |
| 05:56:18 | spifwand | doesn't seme to work |
| 05:56:36 | midkay | idnar, um.. what players would those be? |
| 05:56:42 | idnar | midkay: iAudio X5 |
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| 05:56:51 | midkay | idnar, we're talking iPod here, of course.. |
| 05:57:02 | idnar | yes, sorry, I should have been more clear about what I meant |
| 05:57:04 | midkay | spifwand, that's kind of an iffy way to do it.. might try again. be careful not to move you finger while you hold it.. |
| 05:57:12 | midkay | idnar, :) |
| 05:57:29 | spifwand | hold down menu not center |
| 05:57:30 | midkay | spifwand, also you might try tapping menu and then holding it.. quickly, e.g. before the apple logo comes up. |
| 05:57:35 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:57:42 | spifwand | that workjs |
| 05:57:43 | spifwand | :) |
| 05:57:45 | spifwand | yay |
| 05:57:51 | midkay | yay yay. |
| 05:58:09 | spifwand | i just left it in that mode while it charges |
| 05:58:17 | spifwand | then i'll throw some videos on there to celebrate |
| 05:58:28 | midkay | yaay. :) |
| 05:58:33 | spifwand | :) |
| 06:00 |
| 06:01:17 | spifwand | one more thing you might be able to help me with |
| 06:01:24 | spifwand | how can i get my hostmasked on this server |
| 06:01:25 | ashridah | so how did we work out it was the usbotg chip that was sucking all the juice anyway? |
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| 06:03:26 | midkay | ashridah, amiconn figured it out.. |
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| 06:03:39 | midkay | spifwand, hm.. you can get unaffiliated ones somehow.. |
| 06:04:37 | midkay | spifwand, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
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| 06:15:04 | * | Paul_The_Ner1 wonders if he should ask for a project affiliation cloak. |
| 06:15:19 | * | midkay says 'certainly' |
| 06:15:19 | midkay | :) |
| 06:16:09 | * | midkay got his on a technicality.. at least Paul_The_Ner1 earned his. :) |
| 06:16:09 | | Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-24-40.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 06:16:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hey, you're actually in the credits though, right? |
| 06:16:47 | midkay | yes, that's part of the technicality.. :) |
| 06:18:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 06:18:18 | midkay | you certainly deserve to be there.. i'm clueless as to why you aren't. :) |
| 06:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably because I don't really care? |
| 06:18:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;) |
| 06:18:39 | midkay | other people do! :) |
| 06:18:58 | thePianoMan | Is there some way of viewing the volume label on the player? |
| 06:19:50 | midkay | possibly in the debug menu.. view disk info, or view partitions, or something like that.. |
| 06:19:58 | midkay | can't remember, though. |
| 06:20:03 | thePianoMan | Coz I saw this bug last night on a mate's iPod when I put RB on it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5217 |
| 06:20:19 | thePianoMan | I think it was after I deleted the iPod_Control directory |
| 06:20:43 | midkay | maybe.. *shrugs* |
| 06:20:49 | midkay | mine hasn't disappeared. |
| 06:21:20 | midkay | bbiaf. |
| 06:24:19 | Presence | Holy wow, congrats on the huge step forward in the H300 battery issue resolution, guys! |
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| 06:31:12 | xellaphan | Could someone answer a quick ? for me? |
| 06:31:25 | midkay | sure, if you ask it.. |
| 06:31:32 | midkay | you don't have to ask us if you can ask a question. :) |
| 06:31:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is somewhat distracted, so may miss questions in general. |
| 06:32:00 | xellaphan | I just used the IpodLinux installer and put on the bootloader 2 on my 5g |
| 06:32:11 | xellaphan | can i also add rockbox? |
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| 06:32:32 | midkay | well, this isn't really the place for iPL's bootloader questions.. but rockbox should appear automatically, it did for me. |
| 06:32:39 | xellaphan | the tut im using says i have to use an app manager |
| 06:33:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should be able to just extract Rockbox.zip into your fat32 partition, and Loader2 should handle the rest |
| 06:33:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you have problems with it, you need to ask the iPodLinux people. |
| 06:33:35 | xellaphan | the specific ? is how to multi boot rockbox under a current iPL 2.2 install? |
| 06:33:46 | xellaphan | oic |
| 06:33:52 | xellaphan | thanks! |
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| 06:50:21 | ygfperson | hey everyone... the ifp-790 page in the wiki says that its port of rockbox is committed to cvs. where in the repository would it be? |
| 06:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | ygfperson: Are you talking about source files, because I think they're somewhat intermixed by way of defines. |
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| 06:52:29 | ygfperson | Paul_The_Nerd: intermixed? |
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| 06:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | ygfperson: As in, the sources for the iFP port are the same as the rest. Many of the files are the same. |
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| 06:58:45 | dongs | zz |
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| 07:00:04 | dongs | erg |
| 07:00:05 | ygfperson | oic |
| 07:00:46 | dongs | ygfperson: they think its easier to wade through hundreds of #ifdef IPOD #else LOLJEWS instead of keepign the source modular and separated |
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| 07:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Or perhaps the ifdefs merely happened and nobody's cleaned it up. |
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| 07:09:39 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 07:09:41 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 07:13:29 | aliask | Hi Jungti1234 |
| 07:13:55 | dongs | sup |
| 07:17:33 | Jungti1234 | long time no see aliask :) |
| 07:18:15 | aliask | Yes, I'm usually pretty quiet on IRC. |
| 07:18:21 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 07:23:43 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
| 07:23:43 | Jungti1234 | http://www.arm.co.kr/solution/1.php |
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| 07:37:48 | hab | hi |
| 07:41:22 | dongs | hi |
| 07:42:21 | spifwand | hi |
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| 07:47:54 | hab | help does iriver play viedo or just ipod does that??? |
| 07:48:40 | ashridah | the H3xx can play specially reprocessed video, but rockbox can't do it yet, only iriver's firmware |
| 07:49:06 | thePianoMan | and the iPod can only do it with the apple software |
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| 07:49:41 | hab | not even with rockbox?? |
| 07:50:55 | hab | how do i lieten to FM on ipod ?? |
| 07:51:23 | thePianoMan | hab: remember that iPods are not supported yet. Not all features have been implemented! |
| 07:51:39 | thePianoMan | you can listen to FM if you have an FM remote and you boot into the apple software |
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| 07:52:08 | hab | what about AM for games like local baseball? |
| 07:52:54 | thePianoMan | hab: There is no hardware support for AM on iPods - have a look at the apple website. AM hardware is much bulkier than FM hardware so that's why there are a lot more FM tuners about than AM tuners |
| 07:53:17 | dongs | lol, radio |
| 07:53:42 | hab | ok |
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| 08:02:20 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 08:02:40 | Jungti1234 | I scaned E10. |
| 08:03:05 | Jungti1234 | But, name of chip doesn't seem. |
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| 08:13:34 | Jungti1234 | I have question |
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| 08:17:43 | midkay | ask.. |
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| 08:38:46 | Jungti1234 | Battery run-time problem is solved? |
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| 08:39:56 | dongs | hah |
| 08:39:58 | dongs | on what platform? |
| 08:41:11 | aliask | Jungti1234: Yes, we think it has. I don't think anyone has actually done a new runtime test yet. (H300) |
| 08:42:34 | Rekoil | will rockbox feature video for compatible players ?... i mean when it is done |
| 08:42:57 | aliask | When it's done? :) |
| 08:43:19 | Rekoil | because if it is to be considered an alternative it needs all possible features |
| 08:43:30 | aliask | A few people have given video a shot, but so far I don't think it's been developed to a point where you could actually watch anything. |
| 08:43:37 | Rekoil | well first release thats not considered "developers only" |
| 08:43:49 | aliask | It's not planned yet. |
| 08:43:57 | Rekoil | it has for iPL but only uncompressed video |
| 08:44:39 | Rekoil | and those take up a humongous amount of space |
| 08:44:48 | aliask | All it takes is someone with enough motivation (and the neccessary skills) to start work on it. At the moment nobody has really stepped up. |
| 08:45:23 | Rekoil | aegray did but i think hes dropped it yet (hes the guy who developed it for iPL) |
| 08:45:32 | Rekoil | dropped it now* |
| 08:46:06 | Rekoil | havent seen any changes in the video development for a while |
| 08:47:31 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 08:47:46 | Jungti1234 | 'Rudimentary driver for the ISP1362 USB on-the-go controller. For now it just sends the chip to sleep' |
| 08:47:48 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 08:48:38 | aliask | It means that amiconn was able to access the USB-OTG chip and tell it to go to sleep, so it uses less power. |
| 08:48:49 | aliask | Which means more battery :) |
| 08:49:27 | Jungti1234 | So.. |
| 08:49:52 | aliask | So for H300 maybe we get 15 (?) hours now. |
| 08:50:30 | Rekoil | what about iPod ? more batt. too ? or is it a different driver |
| 08:50:46 | Jungti1234 | amiconn sent to sleep it approaching to USB-OTG chip, and does its battery time become much so? |
| 08:51:13 | aliask | The ISP1362 chip isn't in the iPod's, so it wasn't taking up any power. (Which means no change for iPod) |
| 08:51:31 | Jungti1234 | Does its meaning guess right? |
| 08:51:57 | aliask | Jungti1234: Yes |
| 08:52:13 | Jungti1234 | ok, Thanks |
| 08:52:16 | Jungti1234 | and.. |
| 08:52:29 | Jungti1234 | Then, can it use later? |
| 08:52:50 | aliask | USB-OTG? Not yet. |
| 08:53:37 | Jungti1234 | He's accessed to it. |
| 08:53:39 | Jungti1234 | no? |
| 08:54:43 | aliask | Yes, but we havn't coded for the chip to access other USB devices yet. It just goes to sleep. |
| 08:56:00 | Jungti1234 | ah. :) ok |
| 08:56:43 | Jungti1234 | and.. |
| 08:58:38 | chendo1 | what's the faster ATA timings do? |
| 08:59:16 | aliask | I think it gives the harddrive reading a slight speed boost. |
| 08:59:37 | Jungti1234 | Now, can WPS make to be different in each device? |
| 08:59:51 | Jungti1234 | 'Added support for multiple rwps for same theme for different devices' |
| 09:00 |
| 09:01:15 | Jungti1234 | and, 'Also updated wpsbuild to support different fonts for same theme depending on target screen.' |
| 09:01:18 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
| 09:02:06 | aliask | I don't know, actually... :) |
| 09:02:50 | Jungti1234 | ... |
| 09:03:27 | Jungti1234 | Can it use other font in theme? |
| 09:03:37 | dongs | no |
| 09:03:43 | dongs | you can specify a font |
| 09:03:45 | Jungti1234 | Various fonts |
| 09:03:50 | dongs | but you cant use multiple fonts |
| 09:03:56 | Jungti1234 | what's mean |
| 09:04:03 | dongs | (another misengineering on the developers part) |
| 09:04:11 | dongs | bcause htey're still trying to support devices with 100x100 monocrhome screens |
| 09:04:46 | dongs | your theme can say: use font xxx |
| 09:04:51 | scorche | dongs: why dont you just leave? |
| 09:04:55 | dongs | but you cant say: use font xxx on one page and font yyy on another |
| 09:05:02 | dongs | scorche: waht hte fuck, STOP PERSONAL ATTACKS |
| 09:05:19 | scorche | <dongs> (another misengineering on the developers part) |
| 09:05:21 | scorche | same to you |
| 09:05:29 | dongs | uh |
| 09:06:02 | * | scorche waits for the witty retort that dongs is sure to provide |
| 09:06:35 | aliask | Yeah, you havn't exactly been very helpful around here dongs. |
| 09:06:41 | dongs | what do YOU know |
| 09:06:46 | dongs | you ahvent even been in here as long as I am |
| 09:06:57 | aliask | Oh? |
| 09:06:59 | dongs | infact today is the first time ive seen you in here |
| 09:07:07 | dongs | unless you changed nicks or something |
| 09:07:08 | scorche | uhhhh... |
| 09:07:13 | scorche | memory of a goldfish? |
| 09:07:26 | dongs | 10:52 -!- aliask [n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #rockbox |
| 09:07:29 | dongs | 10:53 < aliask> Is rockbox.org down? |
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| 09:07:31 | dongs | that was like 6 hours ago |
| 09:07:39 | aliask | Because I just logged on? |
| 09:07:43 | aliask | I don't idle in IRC. |
| 09:07:44 | dongs | well yes? |
| 09:08:09 | aliask | What exactly are you getting at? |
| 09:08:12 | scorche | dongs: one does not have to be in IRC to be of use...for all you know, he could be a core dev that simply doesnt come into irc |
| 09:08:32 | dongs | could would |
| 09:08:34 | dongs | but is he? |
| 09:08:41 | aliask | And anyway, what do you have against rockbox? |
| 09:08:44 | scorche | no....but does that matter? |
| 09:08:46 | dongs | nothing |
| 09:08:48 | dongs | its great |
| 09:09:03 | Jungti1234 | stop |
| 09:09:06 | aliask | No I'm not. I have submitted a few patches, and been hanging around for about two years. |
| 09:09:12 | scorche | he may have not been in here that long, but he has been of MUCH more use in here than you have been your whole time |
| 09:09:26 | dongs | Jungti1234: why are these people so angry. |
| 09:10:09 | scorche | dongs: cause you do nothing but announce to the channel how the devs are horrible, do things the wrong way...and lets not forget the utter nonsense that you spew |
| 09:10:57 | * | ashridah notes his first memory of dongs is him being all indignant about his settings getting wiped by a bump in the config version in rockbox. |
| 09:11:13 | Jungti1234 | I don't speak English, situation isn't grasped.... |
| 09:11:32 | ashridah | nevermind the fact that from a purely functional stand point, i've seen commercial firmware do the exact same thing |
| 09:11:42 | scorche | Jungti1234: it is not important...just trying to take care of someone that causes trouble =) |
| 09:11:43 | ashridah | except flashing the firmware isn't as common there, so you simply dont' care. |
| 09:11:44 | aliask | Jungti1234: Don't worry, it's not important talk. Dongs is stupid. |
| 09:12:04 | dongs | ashridah: what, if you thought i was upset about my settings getting wiped, you need to ease off irc |
| 09:12:34 | scorche | ashridah: you havent seen him at his "high" points |
| 09:12:51 | ashridah | dongs: i said 'indignant', that's not really the same as upset, but a bit further than irritated. but that said, if you were't upset, why did you start paying out on the developers |
| 09:12:58 | ashridah | scorche: i've seen enough |
| 09:13:18 | ashridah | like him ragging on linux based on some fonts from a gnome screenshot (which was actually from freebsd) for instance. |
| 09:13:26 | scorche | ashridah: i've seen too much =) |
| 09:13:29 | dongs | pfft |
| 09:13:31 | dongs | like that matters |
| 09:13:48 | Jungti1234 | stop fight |
| 09:13:50 | scorche | ashridah: please dont get him started on linux... =P |
| 09:14:07 | ashridah | dongs: apparently it does, since everyone in here thinks you're overly negative, and have stopped listenign to your GOOD suggestions. |
| 09:14:08 | dongs | Jungti1234: ya, they need to STOP_ABUSE |
| 09:14:10 | Jungti1234 | 'Added support for multiple rwps for same theme for different devices', 'Also updated wpsbuild to support different fonts for same theme depending on target screen.' |
| 09:14:19 | ashridah | and now start bitching about you whenever you say something. |
| 09:14:20 | Jungti1234 | I want to know its meaning only. |
| 09:14:20 | dongs | ashridah: what good suggestions? |
| 09:14:21 | scorche | Jungti1234: we are trying....and trying to stop future fights (doubt that will happen though) |
| 09:14:29 | dongs | ashridah: anything I would suggest in here wouldnt be taken seriously because it acutally makese sense |
| 09:14:33 | dongs | makes rather. |
| 09:14:35 | Jungti1234 | I want to know its meaning only. |
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| 09:14:54 | dongs | ashridah: last time i suggested compiling rockbox with a real compiler, i was laughed at |
| 09:14:54 | Jungti1234 | I don't know his mistake. |
| 09:15:17 | dongs | ashridah: last time i suggested making all the hardware platforms separate instead a mess of #ifdefs in one file, etc etc. |
| 09:15:19 | ashridah | dongs: just how many free cross compilers do you know of, out of interest? |
| 09:15:27 | dongs | ashridah: i said real, not free. |
| 09:15:32 | scorche | dongs: cause that compiler costs an exorbant amount of money |
| 09:16:19 | dongs | scorche: giving those who own it a choice would be nice. |
| 09:16:35 | dongs | but using a shitload of (questionable) GNU extensions and GNU asm makes it rather difficult |
| 09:16:45 | Jungti1234 | ±×¸¸Á» ½Î¿ö¶ó |
| 09:16:48 | Jungti1234 | ³»°¡ ¿µ¾î¸¦ ¾îÂî¾Æ´Ï |
| 09:16:57 | Jungti1234 | ´ÏµéÀÌ ³» ºÒÆíÇÔÀ» ¾Æ³Ä |
| 09:17:16 | scorche | dongs: like we told you before...we do not have that compiler...if you wish it so much, we would welcome you to work on it yourself |
| 09:18:02 | scorche | Jungti1234: basically, it promotes better interoperability between the different units |
| 09:18:38 | dongs | scorche: i would, but i somehow dont feel like porting pages and pages of gnu asm to a real compiler |
| 09:19:04 | scorche | Jungti1234: and your last message did not come through clearly (at least not on my screen |
| 09:19:12 | scorche | dongs: then hush |
| 09:19:17 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 09:19:29 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 09:19:32 | Jungti1234 | I don't understand your speech. |
| 09:19:33 | dongs | http://pbx.mine.nu/jung.png < looks good here |
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| 09:20:04 | scorche | midkay: =) |
| 09:20:25 | scorche | Jungti1234: what is your native language? |
| 09:20:34 | dongs | korean obviously |
| 09:20:48 | Jungti1234 | Korean, Hangul |
| 09:21:09 | scorche | Jungti1234: ah...sorry, but i do not have that language pack installed |
| 09:21:39 | Jungti1234 | It's dispensable. |
| 09:22:01 | scorche | Jungti1234: unfortunately, i do not know of anyone else in here that understands it either |
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| 09:22:10 | dongs | lol |
| 09:22:13 | monkeyisl | high |
| 09:22:23 | monkeyisl | what is rockbox 3.0? |
| 09:22:25 | ashridah | scorche: that's been the case for a long long time. he seems to be okay with it. |
| 09:22:34 | midkay | it's the version that's coming next. |
| 09:22:36 | monkeyisl | ÇÏÀÌ |
| 09:22:45 | scorche | ashridah: cant blame me for trying =) |
| 09:23:04 | monkeyisl | Çѱ¹ »ç¶÷ |
| 09:23:13 | amiconn | m0rning |
| 09:23:26 | monkeyisl | Yellow |
| 09:23:29 | scorche | midkay: i know i will never get through to him, but like i said...cant blame me for trying here either |
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| 09:23:44 | monkeyisl | Korea is history. |
| 09:23:49 | Jungti1234 | oh? |
| 09:24:03 | Jungti1234 | are you korean? |
| 09:24:04 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 09:24:06 | midkay | scorche, haha.. entertaining at least. |
| 09:24:15 | scorche | amiconn: morning to you too =) |
| 09:24:19 | monkeyisl | ³× |
| 09:24:20 | scorche | midkay: ;) |
| 09:24:25 | midkay | morning, amiconn. |
| 09:24:26 | Jungti1234 | ¿©±â¼± ¿µ¾î¸¸ ¾²¼¼¿ä.. |
| 09:24:42 | monkeyisl | Yes |
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| 09:24:46 | monkeyisl | what is this cannel for? |
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| 09:25:02 | Jungti1234 | At where did you come from? |
| 09:25:14 | amiconn | ashridah: [06:01:25] <ashridah> so how did we work out it was the usbotg chip that was sucking all the juice anyway? <== Linus measured the H300 sucked more power than it should. I opened my H340 and measured the various chip temperatures with an infrared thermometer, once after playing a while in retailos, and another time while playing a while in rockbox |
| 09:25:19 | scorche | monkeyisl: www.rockbox.org |
| 09:25:46 | monkeyisl | Jungti1234 : are you korean? |
| 09:26:13 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 09:26:17 | monkeyisl | lol |
| 09:26:26 | monkeyisl | what do you for a living? |
| 09:26:32 | monkeyisl | omg |
| 09:27:18 | Jungti1234 | monkeyisl: At where did you come from? |
| 09:28:05 | monkeyisl | because i was curious of the channel name |
| 09:28:14 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 09:28:24 | Jungti1234 | you don't know rockbox? |
| 09:28:26 | midkay | amiconn, have you done any battery testing since the fix? or anyone else? |
| 09:28:28 | scorche | and it was magic as soon as i summoned him =O |
| 09:28:34 | monkeyisl | Jung : haven't used that |
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| 09:28:48 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 09:29:00 | monkeyisl | Jung : are you a programmer? |
| 09:29:06 | monkeyisl | Jung : what are you working on? |
| 09:29:16 | amiconn | midkay: Of course I started a runtime test (and several other people too). It's still running... |
| 09:29:24 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 09:29:32 | Jungti1234 | I'm not programmer |
| 09:29:38 | midkay | right, i meant 'is it finished'.. how long has it been going? |
| 09:29:47 | Jungti1234 | Simply interest.. |
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| 09:29:58 | monkeyisl | i see |
| 09:30:58 | amiconn | midkay: It's still running, and I expect it to go for at least another 6 hours |
| 09:31:20 | midkay | still running since about when? |
| 09:31:34 | amiconn | ~12:30 right now |
| 09:31:46 | Rekoil | i have an idea for a patch |
| 09:31:55 | monkeyisl | ok i'm gonna play xbox360 byez |
| 09:32:02 | dongs | lool |
| 09:32:05 | midkay | amiconn, so you started it right around the commit time? |
| 09:32:17 | Rekoil | auto-return to wps |
| 09:32:26 | scorche | amiconn: how many hours ago for us in different time zones, not knowing what you are in =) |
| 09:32:28 | Rekoil | like in appleos |
| 09:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rekoil: Go ahead 'n do it then, and post it to the patch tracker. |
| 09:32:43 | midkay | oh, my bad.. 12h 30m.. |
| 09:32:56 | scorche | errrr. |
| 09:32:58 | midkay | thought you meant 12:30 as in the current time. |
| 09:32:59 | Rekoil | i dont know C Paul_The_Nerd |
| 09:33:01 | * | scorche smacks his head |
| 09:33:07 | thePianoMan | that's pretty good runtime |
| 09:33:07 | dongs | what would it do |
| 09:33:08 | midkay | cool.. |
| 09:33:10 | daurnimator | what speed arm7 does ipod have? |
| 09:33:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rekoil: Then see if there's an existing feature request, and if there's not one, post one. |
| 09:33:25 | dongs | 80mhz? |
| 09:33:29 | dongs | or someshit |
| 09:33:30 | Rekoil | and where do i do that ? |
| 09:33:39 | daurnimator | and video ipod? |
| 09:33:40 | Rekoil | 75mhz i believe |
| 09:33:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rekoil: The link that says "feature Requests" on the main page. |
| 09:33:48 | dongs | the specs are on ipodlunix website |
| 09:33:51 | Rekoil | dunno if its model specific |
| 09:33:52 | amiconn | midkay: I started it ~1.5 hours after commit. Needed to charge the unit completely first |
| 09:33:53 | dongs | you can find them |
| 09:34:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | We clock it to 75, but they range from 80 to I think 100 in the minis? |
| 09:34:00 | Rekoil | Paul_The_Nerd: righto |
| 09:34:21 | daurnimator | is the video ipod higher? |
| 09:34:21 | thePianoMan | daurnimator: it's generally clocked back to 30mhz in idle (under RB) |
| 09:34:23 | scorche | daurnimator: 80 |
| 09:34:30 | Rekoil | so why do we clock them to 75 if they can do more |
| 09:34:32 | midkay | amiconn, right. cool. :) |
| 09:34:36 | amiconn | midkay: Btw, without the fix, the test would have ended ~1.5 hours ago... |
| 09:34:41 | dongs | Rekoil: because the battery life already sucks |
| 09:34:47 | Rekoil | oh yeah |
| 09:34:51 | Rekoil | true |
| 09:34:59 | midkay | great to hear.. do you have any way to see the percent right now? or see how full the battery appears? |
| 09:35:06 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Only the PP5022 (mini g2) is specced up to 100MHz |
| 09:35:20 | amiconn | mini g1 uses PP5020 (80MHz) |
| 09:35:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I was close. :-P |
| 09:35:32 | Rekoil | how come mini 2g runs faster than the video lol |
| 09:35:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rekoil: Because Apple didn't need it to run faster? |
| 09:35:51 | midkay | dongs, although your mostly-random guesses might occasionally happen to be nearly correct, they aren't generally too useful to people looking for actual information.. we wouldn't clock the cpu down 5mhz because "battery life sucks". |
| 09:36:01 | scorche | Rekoil: cause it uses a faster processor =) PP5022 vs pp5021 |
| 09:36:05 | amiconn | Probably because the PP5022 was deemed too expensive, and apple didn't need the extra power |
| 09:36:07 | Rekoil | yeah that kinda makes sense |
| 09:36:25 | amiconn | The video uses PP5021 |
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| 09:36:43 | scorche | midkay: i actually got him to hush till now =P |
| 09:36:48 | Rekoil | ah |
| 09:37:01 | Rekoil | with a video codec attached |
| 09:37:07 | Rekoil | obviously |
| 09:37:12 | daurnimator | what about the nano? |
| 09:37:14 | midkay | scorche, hm? he's been talking for the last like 50 lines. :) |
| 09:37:24 | Rekoil | nano would use the same as the video |
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| 09:37:42 | dongs | midkay: oh please |
| 09:37:45 | thePianoMan | Rekoil, not necessarily, depends on how apple's designed it |
| 09:37:46 | dongs | midkay: then why |
| 09:37:48 | scorche | midkay: so i was a little late with that remark...sue me |
| 09:37:59 | Rekoil | ill have a look |
| 09:38:13 | dongs | last i heard one of the arm cores on nano was turned off to save battery. |
| 09:38:20 | scorche | daurnimator: nano uses the same as video indeed |
| 09:38:22 | midkay | dongs, honestly, i think it's because we're being very general about iPod models' cpu. we certainly wouldn't reduce the clock by 5mhz when we're already at 75.. |
| 09:38:28 | daurnimator | ok |
| 09:38:33 | daurnimator | and thats 80mhz? |
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| 09:38:43 | midkay | i'm not entirely sure, but as you might notice i don't try to randomly guess as if i know what i'm talking about. |
| 09:38:51 | scorche | daurnimator: correct |
| 09:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently the PP5022 claims 200mips, and so does the PP5024, so I wonder if it's safe to assume for the moment that it also is 100mhz. |
| 09:39:00 | yeahx | hi |
| 09:39:05 | yeahx | how goes it? |
| 09:39:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Because there's no good reason to run it at full speed and risk generating too much heat? |
| 09:39:45 | yeahx | I haven't updated rockbox on my nano for a few months now, wouldnt I notice a change if I updated soon? |
| 09:39:54 | dongs | doubtful |
| 09:40:02 | dongs | they're not doing anything to ipods |
| 09:40:07 | dongs | just fixing bugs on all platforms. |
| 09:40:08 | yeahx | ok |
| 09:40:26 | yeahx | I was using it exclusively for a while |
| 09:40:31 | scorche | yeahx: please ignore anything dongs says |
| 09:40:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That statement doesn't make sense. Wouldn't "all platforms" imply iPods? |
| 09:40:44 | dongs | yeahx: why "was"? |
| 09:40:45 | midkay | honestly.. that should be set as the channel topic. :) |
| 09:40:59 | scorche | no kidding. |
| 09:41:06 | scorche | along with no support of vid =P |
| 09:41:16 | amiconn | The 75MHz were probably chosen for 2 reasons: (1) ipl uses the same value afaik. (2) The pll setup is done in a way that we can increase / decrease in 3 MHz steps |
| 09:41:23 | midkay | haha. |
| 09:41:39 | yeahx | dunno, just decided to switch back |
| 09:41:57 | yeahx | and wait until it matured a little longer |
| 09:42:08 | amiconn | dongs: |
| 09:42:09 | amiconn | [09:39:33] <dongs> they're not doing anything to ipods |
| 09:42:09 | amiconn | [09:39:38] <dongs> just fixing bugs on all platforms. |
| 09:42:12 | yeahx | I noticed the battery meter was at least trying to work though |
| 09:42:16 | amiconn | You're contradidcting yourself... |
| 09:42:32 | midkay | does he ever not? *sighs* |
| 09:42:34 | scorche | amiconn: nothing new =) |
| 09:42:42 | yeahx | I think he meant nothing but bug fixes, which would mean i wouldnt notice much of a change |
| 09:42:52 | thePianoMan | I think what dongs was trying to say is that there are no new features being added, they're just bugfixing in the lead up to the 3.0 release. |
| 09:42:53 | dongs | amiconn: what now? ive been told more than once that 3.0 has nothign to do with ipods |
| 09:43:09 | dongs | as its still an 'unsupported' target. |
| 09:43:12 | dongs | and wont be so until end of htis year |
| 09:43:18 | midkay | that's not entirely true.. for example the new star/sokoban bitmaps. those affected ipods.. |
| 09:43:26 | scorche | however, he said "a few months" |
| 09:43:28 | thePianoMan | some bugs will be fixed in iPods though... if they're cross-platform bugs |
| 09:43:35 | dongs | gee, well, i kinda doubt thats what yeahx was looking for |
| 09:43:39 | amiconn | No, and? The higher-level code is more or less the same for all targets |
| 09:44:06 | midkay | dongs, gee, well, it might be nice to note that "ipods aren't being touched at all for 3.0" is not true. |
| 09:44:42 | amiconn | e.g. fixing bugs in the playback engine / playlist handling / tagcache / .... affects all platforms |
| 09:44:55 | yeahx | Id like to mess with the now playing screen more but dont want to bother with it too much |
| 09:45:15 | midkay | so mess with it, but just be careful not to do it too much. :) |
| 09:45:17 | yeahx | I just use one of the boxed ones |
| 09:46:13 | yeahx | whats UniCatcher? |
| 09:46:18 | dongs | new wps |
| 09:46:27 | dongs | kinda grayish looking |
| 09:46:50 | yeahx | thats what I thought |
| 09:46:57 | yeahx | was thinking of checking that out |
| 09:47:00 | * | midkay wonderes where yeahx might have read the word UniCatcher without it being called a 'theme' or viewed from the 'themes' menu |
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| 09:47:21 | yeahx | oh I see wps/.... |
| 09:47:24 | yeahx | sorry |
| 09:47:27 | midkay | .. :) |
| 09:47:31 | yeahx | thats why I dont come in here |
| 09:47:38 | yeahx | I ask stupid question and piss people off |
| 09:47:46 | scorche | yeahx: no one is pissed =P |
| 09:47:51 | scorche | we are just smart-asses |
| 09:47:58 | yeahx | oh ok :) |
| 09:48:03 | midkay | i'm teaching you a valuable lesson.. far from pissed. ;) |
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| 09:48:15 | ceh | hey |
| 09:48:51 | yeahx | I try to figure things out, I was pretty much under the impression that it was a wps because of the extensions but didnt read the beginning of the path |
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| 09:49:14 | midkay | you even saw the .wps extension? :) |
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| 09:49:44 | yeahx | no .bmp |
| 09:50:01 | yeahx | but now I see at the bottom, yes I see the wps |
| 09:50:07 | yeahx | oops |
| 09:50:28 | * | midkay shrugs |
| 09:50:32 | yeahx | Im so used to not unerstanding anything on that page that I just skim for things that make sense to me |
| 09:50:41 | midkay | haha. |
| 09:51:08 | yeahx | understanding too |
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| 09:51:28 | yeahx | its the only way to check for changes |
| 09:51:42 | midkay | well, 'cept for the MajorChanges wiki page.. |
| 09:52:01 | ceh | I have heard that rockbox drains battery on the iriver3xx any news on that beeing improve? |
| 09:52:02 | yeahx | I used to update every monday before work |
| 09:52:07 | midkay | there might be some technical info in the cvs logs, but it should all make sense to anyone.. |
| 09:52:25 | yeahx | I could swear it drains my battery more too, but its hard to say |
| 09:52:27 | midkay | ceh, sure, that problem was more or less entirely solved just today (yesterday for some?) |
| 09:52:53 | ceh | sounds cool :) |
| 09:53:02 | yeahx | not that it matters now because my work no longer allows headphones now :( |
| 09:53:16 | midkay | :\ |
| 09:53:23 | yeahx | so I only get to use it on the way to work or if I jack it into the radio |
| 09:54:21 | midkay | oh well.. |
| 09:54:23 | midkay | got to reboot.. brb. |
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| 09:54:32 | yeahx | sure |
| 09:55:08 | ceh | so you suggest that I get a dailybuild instead of the "other" version, to get around the battery problem? |
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| 09:55:41 | yeahx | he just left for a minute |
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| 09:55:59 | ceh | ok :) |
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| 09:58:19 | JdGordon | evening all |
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| 10:00:10 | yeahx | hi |
| 10:00:33 | amiconn | ceh: See the second last commit on the frontpage? |
| 10:01:08 | amiconn | JdGordon: morning :) |
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| 10:01:34 | midkay | sigh, i hate viewcvs.. what's up with this? does anyone know when we'll move to ViewVC or at least get this fixed? |
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| 10:02:40 | tongas | amiconn: you're SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO great ! |
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| 10:09:06 | JdGordon | h300 battery life is fixed? |
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| 10:10:21 | midgey34 | amiconn: just checking in before sleeping. the h320 is at 4% and has been running for about 13.5 hours |
| 10:10:34 | midgey34 | if I remember my start time correctly |
| 10:10:41 | amiconn | What format? |
| 10:10:48 | amiconn | music format I mean... |
| 10:10:50 | midgey34 | mp3 192 kbps cbr |
| 10:11:27 | amiconn | Hmm. I would expect more... What runtime did you get before? |
| 10:11:41 | midgey34 | eh about 8 hours or so |
| 10:11:52 | midgey34 | I'm running the iCatcher wps |
| 10:11:59 | midgey34 | so lots of bitmaps |
| 10:12:11 | JdGordon | didnt we decide the wps made no difference? |
| 10:12:27 | midgey34 | I may have missed that, I've been inactive for a while |
| 10:12:52 | amiconn | Runtime will of course depend on things like backlight etc. My runtime test just plays the same album (192kbps mp3) in 'repeat all' mode. No backlight involved, and logging with battery_bench |
| 10:12:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it was "little difference" |
| 10:13:06 | pixelma | maybe because iCatcher updates a lot for animation? |
| 10:13:29 | amiconn | I use a wps comparable to the default |
| 10:13:33 | midgey34 | oh, and I have disk poweroff set to no |
| 10:13:45 | midgey34 | but otherwise same test you described |
| 10:14:05 | * | amiconn has disk poweroff always enabled on units where it's supported |
| 10:14:44 | midgey34 | I forgot to change the setting before starting the test |
| 10:15:06 | midgey34 | all my settings were lost since I havent updating in a while |
| 10:15:11 | hardeep | directory cache/tag cache in ram will also affect battery life |
| 10:16:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: On my H100, disk poweroff seems to let the buffer empty with flacs with the default 5s anti-skip buffer. |
| 10:16:09 | amiconn | We need to decide whether it's better to keep the 'disk poweroff' option and just make it enabled by default, or remove the option altogether |
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| 10:16:45 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That's a known bug in the swcodec playback engine. It doesn't calculate buffer margins as it's supposed to be |
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| 10:17:20 | amiconn | This bug exists since the swcodec playback engine was committed to cvs... |
| 10:17:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. 15 seconds resolves it for flacs anyway. |
| 10:17:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least, my flacs |
| 10:18:32 | amiconn | The swcodec playback engine doesn't use the setting as an extra margin (as it's suppposed to be), but directly uses it as the margin |
| 10:19:21 | amiconn | On hwcodec, the engine monitors disk spinup time (using a safe default when the value is not yet availabe), and calculates the buffer margin from that and the track's bitrate |
| 10:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 10:20:09 | chendo | speaking of disk poweroff... that powers off the disk instead of spinning down yeah? |
| 10:20:09 | amiconn | The anti-skip buffer setting starts from zero on archos, and I never needed a different value than zero |
| 10:20:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, mine's set to 1 second and I've noticed no concerns. |
| 10:20:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there some reason the Bass and Treble default to 6 instead of 0? |
| 10:20:51 | amiconn | It's purely extra buffer, for when you're e.g. jogging with the box and the harddisk can't read due to heavy shaking |
| 10:20:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | 0 seconds, not 1 second. |
| 10:21:32 | amiconn | The sound defaults are historic, and later we didn't want to change them. |
| 10:21:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 10:22:21 | amiconn | Iirc Linus or Bagder said that in the beginning users complained that rockbox sounds "thin" compared to archos |
| 10:22:33 | amiconn | That was even before I joined... |
| 10:22:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | My very first thought was "Hmm.... this doesn't sound right" and found the settings were up. |
| 10:22:59 | amiconn | On player, treble and bass default are +7 dB |
| 10:24:03 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 10:24:19 | * | amiconn actually uses roughly those values with earphones |
| 10:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | On mine it sounded too bass heavy. |
| 10:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I think the PX100s have a little more bass to them than I'm sure I like |
| 10:25:19 | amiconn | Since the player's MAS doesn't have loudness, it actually makes sense to boost treble & bass somewhat |
| 10:25:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 10:25:44 | amiconn | ...at least when you're listening at volumes like me |
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| 10:27:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Low volumes, I take it? |
| 10:27:51 | amiconn | Same goes for all other targets except archos recorders and Ondios (their MAS chips do have loudness) |
| 10:28:44 | amiconn | I'm usually listening at -50..-30 dB with earphones |
| 10:29:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I get below about -45 or -50 my headphones start sounding thin. Loudness will help with that? |
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| 10:30:03 | JdGordon | ha, i was just in the battery debug section (just after updating the the latest cvs), jumped from 182min reminaing to 457! |
| 10:30:33 | daurnimator | lol |
| 10:31:14 | JdGordon | cept its coincidence, coz it hadnt rolod' the new firmware |
| 10:33:13 | Jungti1234 | return |
| 10:33:40 | Jungti1234 | I opened once more E10. |
| 10:33:53 | Jungti1234 | And took very many pictures. |
| 10:34:00 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 10:34:05 | JdGordon | hehe well done |
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| 10:43:04 | JdGordon | has any1 used x2x ? |
| 10:45:52 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 10:45:54 | Jungti1234 | aliask? |
| 10:46:16 | Jungti1234 | I don't understand the meaning yet.... |
| 10:46:31 | Jungti1234 | 'Added support for multiple rwps for same theme for different devices', 'Also updated wpsbuild to support different fonts for same theme depending on target screen.' |
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| 10:47:37 | thePianoMan | Jung: this means that the same theme can be used on different players |
| 10:47:59 | thePianoMan | and on each different player it may have a different font or different pictures |
| 10:48:16 | thePianoMan | I hope that it makes sense now |
| 10:49:04 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 10:49:13 | Jungti1234 | So.. |
| 10:49:24 | hardeep | both of those refer to changes to the script used to create themes for each device |
| 10:49:39 | hardeep | not any new features in the firmware |
| 10:50:30 | Jungti1234 | Is it meaning that can set to each device and create theme? |
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| 10:50:48 | amiconn | hardeep: Do you know the bookmarking code? |
| 10:50:59 | hardeep | amiconn: somewhat |
| 10:51:00 | thePianoMan | it means that one theme can be set for many devices with different displays |
| 10:52:30 | * | scorche finally finds a moment to go to bed |
| 10:53:04 | amiconn | hardeep: There are 2 bugs in the bookmarking code which most probably are related. (1) Bookmarking doesn't work when starting a playlist by choosing Playlist->Insert (or Insert Shuffled) on a folder. (2) Bookmarking also doesn't work with tagcache |
| 10:53:29 | amiconn | It does work fine when starting a playlist by choosing a track from within a folder, or loading an .m3u |
| 10:53:44 | hardeep | amiconn: both are because bookmarking doesn't work with dynamically created playlists |
| 10:54:09 | * | JdGordon thinks the playlist code is overly complicated, prob coz /me doesnt undertsnad it :p |
| 10:54:15 | | Part daurnimator |
| 10:54:17 | hardeep | we need to change the bookmark format to include the .playlist_control file to handle them |
| 10:54:28 | amiconn | Hmm, is that documented somewhere? I didn't find anyting in the maunal at least |
| 10:54:33 | amiconn | *manual |
| 10:54:43 | hardeep | hmmm, dunno, let me check |
| 10:55:41 | ceh | im sitting in at a place where I cant install acrobat, thus not being able to read the manual. can anyone tell me where i get the app to patch the hex file for the bootloader? |
| 10:55:55 | JdGordon | what target? |
| 10:56:05 | JdGordon | all install instructions are in the wiki.. |
| 10:56:15 | ceh | ahh thanks :)' |
| 10:56:35 | * | midgey34 updated the wiki and goes to sleep |
| 10:57:53 | hardeep | amiconn: yeah, i don't see any references to it either... will update |
| 10:58:32 | hardeep | i'm going to look into adding support post-3.0 |
| 10:59:20 | Jungti1234 | thePianoMan |
| 10:59:30 | JdGordon | u can add cue support while your at it then :D coz they could be handled the same way |
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| 10:59:50 | hardeep | nah, cue support is different |
| 10:59:57 | Jungti1234 | Is 1 theme included to build setting to device? |
| 10:59:59 | JdGordon | y? |
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| 11:00:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why are bookmarks associated with a playlist, rather than a specific file? |
| 11:00:30 | thePianoMan | Jungti1234: before, one theme was only for one device; now, one theme can be for many devices |
| 11:00:41 | Jungti1234 | auto? |
| 11:00:43 | hardeep | JdGordon: bookmarking a dynamic playlist has no relation to cue support |
| 11:00:48 | thePianoMan | Jungti1234: there is a theme included with the download I think |
| 11:00:50 | Jungti1234 | what's mean.. |
| 11:00:56 | Jungti1234 | oh |
| 11:01:01 | Jungti1234 | um.. |
| 11:01:04 | thePianoMan | the change is mainly for theme creators |
| 11:01:13 | JdGordon | hardeep: it does.. a bookmark is just a position in a audio file.. a cue is just a list of positions in a audio file.. same thing |
| 11:01:32 | Jungti1234 | I mean.. |
| 11:01:44 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: no real reason... i'd actually like to see both options available |
| 11:02:41 | Jungti1234 | A person who create theme makes correct WPS to devices that is many. |
| 11:02:53 | amiconn | Currently, bookmarks resemble resume points. I actually like it that way |
| 11:02:58 | hardeep | JdGordon: sure, for loading an individual track. But I'm assuming you're referring to full cue support without our playlist framework |
| 11:03:28 | Jungti1234 | To each build, is correct theme included to it? |
| 11:03:29 | hardeep | amiconn: yeah, i like bookmarking playlists... but being able to bookmark individual tracks would also be useful |
| 11:03:42 | amiconn | Yeah, probably |
| 11:03:43 | hardeep | JdGordon: s/without/within |
| 11:03:45 | thePianoMan | Jungti1234: yes, the build has a theme |
| 11:03:50 | thePianoMan | included |
| 11:03:51 | JdGordon | ye, i was.. ok |
| 11:03:54 | Jungti1234 | :D |
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| 11:04:03 | Jungti1234 | Thanks thePianoMan |
| 11:04:12 | thePianoMan | no problem |
| 11:04:35 | * | JdGordon has an idea for redone playlist code to support cue and bookmarks, but cant figure out how to unshuffle the list |
| 11:04:50 | JdGordon | but everything else would work, so i dont know if i should start coding or not |
| 11:05:45 | hardeep | JdGordon: maybe document it first? the playlist code does a lot so it would be good to make sure you have everything covered |
| 11:06:30 | ceh | when i look under downloads on the rockbox.org and under dailybuilds it seems to be the same zipfile rockbox-h300-20060617 that I download. Is it the same? |
| 11:06:47 | JdGordon | add track to beinging, end, randomly. shuffle entire list, load from .m3u, save to .m3u and unshuffle. anything missing there? |
| 11:07:32 | hardeep | JdGordon: in terms of what the playlist code does? |
| 11:07:37 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:08:01 | JdGordon | ..beraing in mind i would keep all the external functions the same so no other code should need major hacing |
| 11:08:05 | JdGordon | bearing* |
| 11:08:29 | hardeep | resume is a big one missing from your list |
| 11:08:41 | hardeep | (most of the complexity in the code revolves around that) |
| 11:10:13 | JdGordon | resume is just reload from the control file and get it back where it was, thats not all that comlicated is it? |
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| 11:12:21 | hardeep | making sure the control file contains everything needed to resume correctly is |
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| 11:12:53 | shriphani | guys the apple theme took a hit |
| 11:13:00 | hardeep | i'm not saying it's difficult, you just need to consider it anytime you're changing the playlist code |
| 11:13:06 | shriphani | i cant see a single thing :( |
| 11:13:15 | JdGordon | ok, but that can be taken care of.. |
| 11:13:21 | shriphani | would that mean reinstalling rockbox ? |
| 11:14:06 | hardeep | JdGordon: of course =) that's why i'm saying you should document first... just to make sure some important things aren't missed |
| 11:14:18 | JdGordon | righto :) |
| 11:14:25 | shriphani | hardeep you indian i guess |
| 11:15:10 | hardeep | depends on your definition of indian =) |
| 11:15:19 | shriphani | bharatiya |
| 11:15:28 | shriphani | mere jaisa |
| 11:15:44 | hardeep | no, not from india |
| 11:15:51 | shriphani | oh ok' |
| 11:15:54 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 11:15:58 | shriphani | help me plz |
| 11:16:08 | shriphani | i got mahself the ipod theme |
| 11:16:34 | Jungti1234 | How do I make WPS like this? http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/320x240x16/Ipod_Ubuntu.png |
| 11:16:46 | Jungti1234 | Background |
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| 11:16:58 | shriphani | and when i changed theme from ipod ubuntu to the ipod theme it went and f'ed up |
| 11:17:01 | shriphani | i cant see anything to scroll in |
| 11:17:27 | hardeep | shriphani: sounds like a bad theme... you need to reset settings |
| 11:17:38 | hardeep | shriphani: see manual on how to do it for your device |
| 11:17:44 | shriphani | did it a million times |
| 11:18:02 | hardeep | did what? reset settings? |
| 11:18:09 | pixelma | the ubuntu theme uses white font colour - the apple them has white background... |
| 11:18:28 | shriphani | yes i reset settings |
| 11:18:40 | hardeep | and it didn't go back to default? |
| 11:18:57 | shriphani | no |
| 11:19:11 | shriphani | reboots into the same theme in which nothing appears |
| 11:19:29 | hardeep | are you sure you reset properly? i think you need to press the hold switch as you're booting or something |
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| 11:19:51 | shriphani | i use an ipod :) |
| 11:19:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | shriphani: You are talking about Rockbox themes, right? |
| 11:20:00 | shriphani | yes |
| 11:20:19 | shriphani | oh i should set the ipod on hold when i boot ? |
| 11:20:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you turned on your iPod, and immediately enabled hold, and left it on until it finished booting and said "Settings Cleared" |
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| 11:20:59 | shriphani | i didnt dot hat |
| 11:21:02 | shriphani | do that ^ |
| 11:21:10 | psycho_maniac | hello all |
| 11:21:32 | shriphani | let me try that |
| 11:21:55 | psycho_maniac | i have a quick question about rockbox on the iopds |
| 11:21:58 | psycho_maniac | ipods* |
| 11:22:03 | hardeep | we should probably add some basic sanity checks when loading wps |
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| 11:22:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: It's really the config loading that does it. The WPS can't set foreground and background colors, which is actually a bad thing. |
| 11:23:33 | psycho_maniac | im hopefully getting a ipod soon and i was fooling around on the ipod 5g simulator and noticed that for volume and setting changes up is down and down is up. is this the same on the actually player? |
| 11:23:35 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, right... either way, a check to make sure font color != bg color wouldn't hurt |
| 11:24:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: Yeah, but it might ought to be a range, since black, and black+1 can look pretty similar. ;) |
| 11:24:37 | hardeep | true, a range check sounds reasonable too |
| 11:24:39 | shriphani | working thankS :) |
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| 11:24:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Clockwise moves down a list, and up volume. Anticlockwise moves up a list, and down volume. |
| 11:25:46 | psycho_maniac | oh i see how it seems opposite on the simulator |
| 11:25:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | hardeep: The *real* problem is that sometimes a theme might not set a background color, only a foreground color and a backdrop image. Which means while the foreground color conflicts with the background color, the image used makes it not matter. |
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| 11:26:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | psycho_maniac: Yeah, it's hard to accurately simulate the wheel. |
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| 11:27:17 | hardeep | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, right. having a wps-specific fg/bg color sounds reasonable too |
| 11:27:58 | psycho_maniac | so when is rockbox 3.0 comming out?? haha just kidding |
| 11:31:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: How's your H300 battery test coming along? |
| 11:32:25 | psycho_maniac | but anyways. thanks Paul_The_Nerd for the quick reply |
| 11:32:25 | amiconn | 14.hours now and still running... |
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| 11:32:35 | amiconn | 14.5 hours even |
| 11:33:08 | JdGordon | what was it before the fix? |
| 11:33:30 | linuxstb | And what do you get with the same test on a h1x0? |
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| 11:36:45 | amiconn | 11 hours on H340 before the fix, and 19:48 on H140 |
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| 11:38:02 | amiconn | Meanwhile I expect the H340 test to exceed 20 hours (based on the assumtion that the H300 battery has a slightly higher capacity) |
| 11:38:12 | amiconn | *assumption |
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| 11:47:59 | Genre9mp3 | Goodmonrning all! |
| 11:48:31 | markun | morning |
| 11:48:55 | Genre9mp3 | 15 hours... and still playing! :) |
| 11:49:11 | linuxstb | Thinking about the problem of loading a .cfg file that results in the bgcolor and fgcolor being the same - can anyone think of a better solution than just adding a check at the end of settings_load_config() (just before the call to settings_apply()) which restores the fg and bg colours to the defaults if they end up the same after loading a .cfg file? |
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| 11:49:51 | toed | hi, I was wondering if it was possible to use a larger sized font on rockbox |
| 11:50:23 | linuxstb | MENU -> General Settings -> Display -> Browse Fonts |
| 11:50:38 | hardeep | linuxstb: nope, that sounds like the best place |
| 11:50:45 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: The screen may became unreadable not only with "exactly" the same fg & bg colours... |
| 11:51:01 | markun | toed: and if you don't see any fonts there you need to download them from the download page first |
| 11:51:12 | Genre9mp3 | hello hardeep...I have some files for you |
| 11:51:19 | toed | alright I'll try, thanks |
| 11:51:23 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma's updates |
| 11:51:32 | hardeep | Genre9mp3: sure |
| 11:51:45 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes - if someone can come up with a good "these two colours are indistinguishable" function, we can add it. But for now, a simple comparison is better than nothing. |
| 11:51:53 | toed | there's no myriad font for rockbox is there? (the font the ipod uses) |
| 11:52:35 | pixelma | Genre9mp3: :) |
| 11:53:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wouldn't care too much about this problem, mostly because there's another situation that may cause unreadable text, but undetectable - using a text colour that matches a background picture |
| 11:54:25 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Wouldn't be a weird effect for the users to suddenly switch to the default colours? |
| 11:54:57 | Genre9mp3 | maybe a better idea would be to revert to the previous colours |
| 11:55:15 | Genre9mp3 | or maybe...even a warning message |
| 11:55:27 | hardeep | Genre9mp3: did you send them? |
| 11:55:39 | hardeep | Genre9mp3: you can mail me if you prefer |
| 11:55:48 | Genre9mp3 | hardeep: where? did you get my PMs? |
| 11:55:57 | hardeep | er, no |
| 11:56:23 | Genre9mp3 | hardeep: ok...your mail? |
| 11:56:30 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Did you register with freenode? |
| 11:56:42 | hardeep | rockbox AT fastmail.fm |
| 11:56:49 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: [12:47] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 11:57:06 | Genre9mp3 | hardeep: sending them know |
| 11:57:20 | amiconn | k |
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| 12:01:22 | Genre9mp3 | hardeep: Check your mail |
| 12:02:19 | hardeep | got it, thanks |
| 12:03:04 | JdGordon | has anyone playued with x2x ? |
| 12:03:35 | ashridah | yeah. it's crappy. use synergy instead |
| 12:03:57 | JdGordon | .. ok |
| 12:04:31 | JdGordon | do i need to install it on both comps? |
| 12:04:34 | ashridah | (seriously. x2x requires dodgy X11 protocols that're evil. synergy does a better job, and works across any windowing system in any direction) |
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| 12:04:41 | ashridah | yes, unfortunately. |
| 12:05:05 | ashridah | you need the server on the machine with the keyboard and mouse, and the client on any other machine you're connecting |
| 12:05:31 | JdGordon | ok, checking it out, ta |
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| 12:10:38 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes, switching to the default colours could be considered weird, but it's less weird than Rockbox's UI suddenly disappearing. IMO, a .cfg which doesn't set both fg and bg colours should be considered broken. |
| 12:11:43 | linuxstb | (or at least, you shouldn't give such a .cfg to other users) |
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| 12:16:36 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I think that there aren't any cfg files with same fg/bg colours out there |
| 12:17:03 | Genre9mp3 | I think that the fix you are talking about will not help |
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| 12:17:46 | Genre9mp3 | Cause the problem is not the fg/bg colours but the fg colours with a similar colour of a bacdrop loaded by another theme |
| 12:17:56 | Genre9mp3 | backdrop |
| 12:19:28 | Genre9mp3 | The reproduction of the bug can be done by: Using a black backdrop, then load a theme that specifies a black fg colour and doesn't specify a backdrop |
| 12:19:51 | Genre9mp3 | the old backdrop will remain, while the fg colour will be black |
| 12:19:59 | Genre9mp3 | That's what causing it |
| 12:20:50 | pixelma | problem is: when a new theme is loaded that does not set one of the both colours, rockbox uses the old one instead - as shriphani experienced with changing from ubuntu theme to apple theme and get white font on white background |
| 12:21:05 | Genre9mp3 | So I think, we should somehow force the backdrop to get cleared if a theme doesn't specify one |
| 12:22:06 | Genre9mp3 | pixelma: Yes, but I think most of the themes specify both colours....I think the backdrop situation is more common |
| 12:22:56 | Mikachu | do themes usually change both the wps bg and the menu bg bitmaps? |
| 12:23:15 | Genre9mp3 | But then again, a theme is actually a .cfg...and I don't know if it's wise to clear the backdrop whenever you load a .cfg file |
| 12:23:43 | pixelma | maybe, that's the worse situation anyways |
| 12:23:54 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: A theme is actually a .cfg file...it can change everything! :) |
| 12:24:03 | Mikachu | hence the word "usually" |
| 12:24:55 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: Well, there are many themes that use backdrops |
| 12:24:56 | linuxstb | But there is no way to clear a backdrop - unless just having a line saying "backdrop: " (without a filename) will work. |
| 12:25:03 | linuxstb | (from a .cfg file) |
| 12:25:30 | Mikachu | i was just thinking that if most themes are for the wps only, a simple fix would be to separate the wps fg/bg colors from the menu fg/bg colors |
| 12:25:53 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Does this "backdrop: " work now? |
| 12:27:05 | linuxstb | I don't know - I'm about to test. |
| 12:27:42 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: Themes, now just set a bg/fg...which is universal, if you make it to change only the wps colours, then themes with backdrop may become a mess |
| 12:27:51 | Genre9mp3 | ...in the menus |
| 12:28:02 | Mikachu | okay, scratch that then |
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| 12:36:06 | linuxstb | No, setting "backdrop: " in the .cfg doesn't seem to work. But I think it should - and Rockbox should write that line when creating a .cfg file as well. |
| 12:37:29 | linuxstb | Unless anyone else feels like doing, I'll try and do it tonight, but I have to go now. |
| 12:38:22 | pixelma | didn't you want to work on the solitaire gfx for Archos as well? ;) |
| 12:38:40 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: I think it's a good idea...can't think of a negative effect on that |
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| 12:41:44 | webguest86 | hi, if my mp3 ID3 tags are messed up, will that affect playback, i.e tracks skipping, not loading and suchlike |
| 12:42:20 | webguest86 | using file tree |
| 12:42:28 | JdGordon | ashridah: does synergy just move the mouse across screens? or can u use it to setup the slave comp as an extension of the primary screen without installing a full setup on it? |
| 12:42:50 | stripwax | webguest86 - potentially - if the file is actually corrupted as a result. |
| 12:43:13 | webguest86 | thanks |
| 12:43:20 | stripwax | webguest86 - depends what you mean by 'messed up' though .. ? |
| 12:43:43 | webguest86 | non existant, or only in ape format |
| 12:44:21 | stripwax | webguest86 - non existant should be fine of course. I don't know about ape format though, I'm afraid. I think that should be fine too though |
| 12:45:04 | ashridah | it moves a mouse and keyboard input across screens, basically. |
| 12:45:21 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes - solitaire is still on my to-do list... |
| 12:45:38 | stripwax | quick question about "antialiased fonts" - since we can currently set a font color, and the font bitmaps are stored 1bpp, is it that all that's required is to store more than 1bpp for fonts and use that as opacity? |
| 12:45:48 | ashridah | you need it running on both sides, however, it uses its own protocol |
| 12:46:03 | Mikachu | stripwax: you would need to implement alphatransparent rendering too |
| 12:46:04 | stripwax | e.g. 2bpp fonts would probably look pretty good |
| 12:46:09 | Mikachu | i don't think it currently is |
| 12:46:19 | pixelma | linuxstb: didn't want to get on your nerves, just reminding |
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| 12:46:34 | linuxstb | pixelma: no problem... |
| 12:46:46 | stripwax | Mikachu - well, not across the board, just for fonts (should be easy on colour targets, I'd have thought) |
| 12:47:26 | Mikachu | i don't it matters much what you intend to draw |
| 12:47:58 | Mikachu | think |
| 12:48:05 | stripwax | Hrm, do we use the same blt functions to render fonts as we do to render full colour bitmaps? (even though the font data is only stored 1bpp?) |
| 12:48:26 | stripwax | I guess if we do, that makes it quite a bit trickier.. |
| 12:48:43 | Mikachu | there are some special monochrome functions i think |
| 12:49:18 | JdGordon | ashridah: ah ok, not want i want then.. :( |
| 12:49:19 | stripwax | Mikachu - thx. so some simple mono-with-alpha function should be straightforward |
| 12:49:30 | linuxstb | The general consensus seems to be that alpha-blended fonts would be too resource-intensive. But feel free to prove the opposite :) The font drawing is already too slow for large LCDs. |
| 12:49:44 | ashridah | JdGordon: well, that's pretty much the same thing x2x does |
| 12:49:49 | ashridah | what're you trying to do? |
| 12:50:02 | stripwax | linuxstb - thx. I might just have a play |
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| 12:52:23 | Jungti1234 | hi markun |
| 12:52:31 | markun | hi |
| 12:52:35 | Jungti1234 | busy? |
| 12:52:42 | markun | not really |
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| 12:52:53 | flithm | hey everyone... I'm just going through the manual here, and right I'm at the enabling speech part. It says to unpack the voice file to /.rockbox/lang but that folder doesn't exist... there is a "langs" directory though... I assume this is it but just thought I should mention the ipod mini manual has an error |
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| 12:53:54 | JdGordon | ashridah: sorry, got disconnected, im trying to get my 2 extra screens working in "xinerama" with my main desktop without installing a full setup on the 2nd box |
| 12:54:26 | ashridah | oh. i don't think there's actually any way to do that |
| 12:54:52 | Mikachu | JdGordon: you mean you want to have screens of another computer as an extension to your main computer? |
| 12:55:11 | Mikachu | you could use vnc for that |
| 12:55:41 | ashridah | Mikachu: that doesn't actually get you xinerama either. |
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| 12:55:50 | Mikachu | no, you can't move windows between the screens |
| 12:55:51 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ye |
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| 12:56:08 | chendo | why not just take the graphics card from the 2nd box, put it in the main box, and then set it up normally? |
| 12:56:30 | JdGordon | i just realised its not really a problem, coz i connect to X remotly anyway, so i just connect again from the other comp and get synergy working |
| 12:56:50 | pondlife | Anyone with Flyspray permissions around? |
| 12:56:56 | * | JdGordon thinks he's gonna need gigabit network for this |
| 12:57:11 | pondlife | FS #5511 can be closed now as Hardeep's commited pretty much the same fix. |
| 12:57:42 | petur | done |
| 12:57:59 | hardeep | ooops, didn't realize there was already a patch for it |
| 12:58:08 | petur | haha |
| 12:59:16 | pondlife | hardeep: no hard feelings, you've saved me having to repatch everytime I refresh my sim...;-) |
| 12:59:29 | pondlife | petur: Thanks |
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| 13:00:45 | pondlife | Now we just need to fix bug #5486.... |
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| 13:01:13 | pondlife | Why should auto-resume ON be so different from OFF but with an implied press of the play button? |
| 13:01:43 | pondlife | I guess it's skipping some important initialisation at the moment. |
| 13:01:46 | * | petur starts recording duration test |
| 13:01:54 | hardeep | that's actually what i was looking at... i know why it's happening, but am still trying to figure out the best fix |
| 13:02:07 | hardeep | it's because the "playing" status gets set right away |
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| 13:02:28 | JdGordon | amiconn: batt test still going? |
| 13:02:43 | Genre9mp3 | petur: which target? |
| 13:03:26 | pondlife | hardeep: Did you see my notes on FlySpray. Under the sim I was repeatedly getting a division by zero because of the status being wrong. But this didn't appear to be the direct cause on the device. |
| 13:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: 16 hours here and still strong! ;) |
| 13:03:38 | JdGordon | :) |
| 13:04:17 | hardeep | pondlife: yeah, the problem on the device is because of the "playing" status. i think there's an unnecessary check in the voice code that can be removed |
| 13:04:21 | pondlife | hardeep: I guess the status/timing being wrong would probably cause all kinds of chaos though. |
| 13:04:24 | hardeep | need to confirm though |
| 13:04:40 | petur | Genre9mp3: h340 |
| 13:04:52 | pondlife | I just haven't had enough time to understand the playback code yet. |
| 13:05:29 | Genre9mp3 | petur: latest build, right? |
| 13:05:42 | petur | Genre9mp3: worse ;) |
| 13:05:58 | petur | latest build + unboosted recording patch |
| 13:06:19 | flithm | hey where do I put font files? |
| 13:06:33 | Genre9mp3 | unboosted recording patch? Is it on FS? |
| 13:06:39 | petur | no |
| 13:06:48 | petur | it breaks spdif recording |
| 13:07:02 | petur | and I want to test more before bringing it out |
| 13:07:11 | petur | bbl |
| 13:10:10 | pondlife | hardeep: What would be very useful (if you have time) would be if you could add some more comments/notes to the code - IMHO outlines of each routine's responsibilities would be very useful. |
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| 13:11:10 | pondlife | That would hopefully make it easier for us wannabes to get into it, without being so unsure that we're not just hacking away (in the worst sense!) |
| 13:12:34 | hardeep | i only know small parts of it |
| 13:12:46 | hardeep | lostlogic/slasheri are the real playback experts |
| 13:12:57 | pondlife | Well, every bit you can nail down would be an improvement. |
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| 13:14:08 | pondlife | I understand the structures and buffering ok, I think, but the actual interaction of threading and how statuses are used is a bit mysterious. |
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| 13:21:35 | hardeep | alright, that looks like it fixes it |
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| 13:28:16 | pondlife | hardeep: I'm ready to test.... |
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| 13:29:29 | hardeep | pondlife: grab the latest cvs build |
| 13:29:56 | pondlife | I have! |
| 13:33:13 | pondlife | OK seems to have fixed that problem, but I just locked up my H300, probably by pressing stop during voice playback |
| 13:33:44 | pondlife | Disk indicator is on, hard-lockup (not timing out backlight etc) |
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| 13:34:18 | hardeep | where do you press stop from? |
| 13:34:47 | pondlife | I'm just trying to repro. |
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| 13:35:45 | pondlife | Just press STOP twice during playback? |
| 13:36:06 | pondlife | One stops, the second crashes before voice output gets a chance to start |
| 13:36:17 | pondlife | I have .talk enabled for both files + folders |
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| 13:37:43 | hardeep | i can reproduce it with navi->stop from wps with voice filename numbers |
| 13:38:00 | pondlife | It's quite easy to repro, but may be timing dependent. |
| 13:38:21 | pondlife | I'll update my sim build... |
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| 13:39:42 | hardeep | bed time for me |
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| 13:40:55 | Genre9mp3 | goodnight |
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| 14:11:47 | Genre9mp3 | 17hours here....still rocking! :) |
| 14:12:09 | stripwax | Genre9mp3 - what's your test? |
| 14:13:40 | Genre9mp3 | H340/latest build/MP3@128Kbps/-25dB/diskpoweroff:Yes |
| 14:14:17 | JdGordon | did u do that test prioer to the batt fix? |
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| 14:16:58 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: After the bat. fix of course... |
| 14:17:10 | Genre9mp3 | and it's not finished yet... |
| 14:17:14 | JdGordon | did u try it before hand to get a comparisson? |
| 14:17:23 | stripwax | Genre9mp3 - stock battery? if so that's pretty awesome.. |
| 14:18:01 | Genre9mp3 | stripwax: Yes...4month old stock battery |
| 14:18:24 | * | amiconn expects Genre9mp3's test to exceed 21 hours |
| 14:18:46 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: Yes...I got 10h01min in 1st of May (without the disk poweroff thing) |
| 14:18:53 | JdGordon | congrats amiconn, now we can release 3.0 and get out fo the freeze :D |
| 14:19:04 | JdGordon | :D nice improvement there |
| 14:19:27 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: me too....and I'm pretty excited about that! :) |
| 14:19:54 | amiconn | I'm testing with 192kbps, so I expect a little less |
| 14:20:29 | amiconn | JdGordon: Unfortunately not, I'm afraid. It just means we don't need to exclude the H300 from 3.0 |
| 14:21:04 | JdGordon | the swcodec bugs still holding it back? |
| 14:21:05 | amiconn | There's still a number of playback and voice issues |
| 14:21:10 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:21:29 | Genre9mp3 | hehe...trying to break XavierGr's 21 hours on his H140 |
| 14:21:55 | Genre9mp3 | But he is going to beat me with his 1900mAh battery on his H300 |
| 14:24:49 | amiconn | Heh, that's cheating ;) |
| 14:26:32 | chendo | i'm testing mine now |
| 14:26:36 | chendo | 2200mAh |
| 14:27:19 | Genre9mp3 | chendo: It will take ages.... |
| 14:27:23 | chendo | it's done 4 hours so far |
| 14:27:30 | chendo | with 819m left. |
| 14:27:52 | chendo | i'm doing oggs too btw |
| 14:27:58 | chendo | 231kbit~ |
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| 14:29:22 | JdGordon | the standrd h300 batt is 2200 or 1900? |
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| 14:30:39 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: AFAIK it's 1300mAh |
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| 14:31:03 | mirak | is the patch of the ISP in last CVS ? |
| 14:31:07 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 14:31:16 | amiconn | Some say the stock H300 battery is 1400mAh |
| 14:31:21 | markun | mirak: yes |
| 14:31:37 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: I've heard of that, too |
| 14:31:41 | mirak | markun: hem I the daily build ? |
| 14:31:51 | amiconn | It doesn't have the capacity written onto it, unfortunately |
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| 14:31:56 | obo | midk: I'm taking another look at the fixed point stuff |
| 14:31:59 | Genre9mp3 | But the default value in Rockbox is 1300mAh, right? |
| 14:32:36 | Genre9mp3 | The manual also doesn't say anything |
| 14:32:46 | Genre9mp3 | iriver's manual |
| 14:33:57 | * | JdGordon is off, cyas |
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| 14:36:07 | * | San is doing a battery bench test on his H300 |
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| 14:36:58 | San | did anyone do a battery bench test yet? |
| 14:37:18 | chendo | doing it now... |
| 14:37:22 | chendo | like 20 hours left thoug.h |
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| 14:37:23 | Genre9mp3 | hehe..It seems that everyone is battery-benching now! |
| 14:37:36 | Genre9mp3 | It became a trend! :) |
| 14:37:38 | chendo | oh it'll be so fun when i get my FM transmitter. |
| 14:37:46 | chendo | i'll play with people's minds in the park |
| 14:38:08 | Genre9mp3 | petur also makes a recording battery bench! |
| 14:40:04 | amiconn | An interesting side note: Since putting the USB OTG controller to sleep seems to almost double battery runtime, that means the chip draws more power (when active) than the CPU (on average) |
| 14:40:33 | Genre9mp3 | yes..it hungries! |
| 14:40:57 | amiconn | Why? Because the other half is split further - between CPU, RAM and harddisk |
| 14:41:00 | chendo | maybe it's trying to power a host device when there isn't any? |
| 14:41:22 | stripwax | chendo - there should be no draw if that's true |
| 14:41:25 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Good point |
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| 14:41:36 | chendo | stripwax, maybe it's somewhat screwed up ;x |
| 14:41:37 | ashridah | chendo: it'd have to be sinking the current when not supplying, more to the point |
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| 14:41:55 | stripwax | ashridah right |
| 14:42:23 | thePianoMan | the chip has a charge pump in it which isn't the most efficient of all devices |
| 14:42:35 | amiconn | ...and other components. According to my chip temperature checks, the CPU needs most, followed by the RAM, and then the UDA |
| 14:42:51 | amiconn | Can't compare harddisk requirements this way though |
| 14:43:11 | amiconn | thePianoMan: Just switching off the charge pump doesn't make a big difference |
| 14:43:15 | San | [13:37] <chendo> like 20 hours left thoug <−−- You serious? |
| 14:43:23 | San | anyone finish one yet? |
| 14:43:24 | chendo | San, yeah... |
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| 14:43:27 | thePianoMan | according to the datasheet the USBOTG chip uses in excess 33mA |
| 14:43:37 | chendo | it was 4 hours and it had 891 minutes left |
| 14:43:41 | amiconn | More like 50mA... |
| 14:43:43 | chendo | so not 20 hours |
| 14:43:45 | chendo | but yeah ;p |
| 14:44:01 | thePianoMan | it's a lot anyway |
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| 14:44:43 | Genre9mp3 | As it seems now, H100 & H300 have similar runtimes. So one of this is happening: 1) Colour LCD doesn't make any difference 2) Colour LCD makes a difference but H300 has better power handling 3) H300 battery is 1400mAh after all |
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| 14:45:04 | amiconn | Forget the remaining playtime - it's just an estimation based on some "representative" format+bitrate, and current consumption values which weren't properly calibrated for any newer device so far |
| 14:46:19 | amiconn | I'll use the results from my runtime tests (several targets, with & without disk poweroff, backlight etc) to better calibrate battery metering |
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| 14:46:42 | amiconn | That's the main reason for doing these tests after all |
| 14:46:58 | chendo | well |
| 14:46:59 | chendo | weird |
| 14:47:04 | chendo | my gf's been playing her H320 all day |
| 14:47:22 | Genre9mp3 | Would it be exaggerating to have different ETAs depending the codec and the bitrate? |
| 14:47:27 | chendo | music for like 6 hours, then she's been playing puzzle bobble for like 5 hours and it's still not dead |
| 14:47:56 | Genre9mp3 | Let people choose beside the battery, the file types they use |
| 14:47:57 | stripwax | chendo - puzzle bobble doesn't require spinning up the disk iirc, so uses little power.. |
| 14:48:13 | chendo | yeah i know... but still ;p |
| 14:48:27 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: 2 facts regarding the LCD will probably compensate each other wrt runtime: H1x0 has a monochrome lcd which means less data changing when drawing, and less data to move over to the lcd, but the lcd itself is updated all the time |
| 14:48:29 | stripwax | chendo- and as Genre9mp3 says, the battery life on the H3xx is now like 20 hours.. |
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| 14:48:59 | amiconn | On H300, drawing means changing more data in the framebuffer, but the lcd itself is only updated when the backlight is on |
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| 14:49:39 | amiconn | When backlight is off, it's even put to sleep to save power. |
| 14:49:45 | Genre9mp3 | oh...so in a battery bench the backlight is always off |
| 14:49:49 | Genre9mp3 | I see |
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| 14:50:44 | amiconn | A monochrome lcd has very low power requirements. Colour lcds need more, even without the backlight, but still not exactly much |
| 14:51:41 | San | so, H300 battery is 20~ hours on 128k mp3? |
| 14:51:54 | Genre9mp3 | San: will see soon... |
| 14:51:55 | flithm | hey everyone... when I turn voice menus on the voice is all crazy like SUPER fast (ipod 2g with english_MSMike_cvs.zip)... anyone know what's going on? |
| 14:52:09 | Mikachu | would turning off the lcd completly on color screen ipods save significant power? |
| 14:52:09 | San | :D |
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| 14:52:19 | obo | is int 32 bits on all targets? |
| 14:52:21 | San | i am guessing so Mikachu |
| 14:52:37 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What do you feel about codec-dependent Battery estimations? |
| 14:53:27 | thePianoMan | maybe the battery estimation could be just bitrate-dependent coz the bitrate determines the duty cycle of the HDD |
| 14:53:43 | thePianoMan | and the HDD would use more power than the CPU, no? |
| 14:54:31 | Mikachu | that would only be true for hdd based players |
| 14:54:41 | thePianoMan | hmm true |
| 14:55:01 | thePianoMan | I guess the flash mem access wouldn't be nearly as high a proportion as for a hdd access |
| 14:55:05 | Genre9mp3 | thePianoMan: Also Ogg playback consume more power than mp3 |
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| 14:55:44 | Mikachu | also not true on all players :) |
| 14:55:54 | thePianoMan | Genre9mp3, wouldn't that be (at least in part) due to the larger files/higher bitrate of ogg? I'm not sure on this as I'm not 100% familiar with the ogg format |
| 14:55:54 | amiconn | Making the battery estimation codec dependent doesn't make sense. How would the unit know what you're about to play in the future? |
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| 14:56:28 | BossG | having loads of fun trying to nurse this archos back to health |
| 14:56:40 | Genre9mp3 | At least if someone uses a specific format he can set it |
| 14:56:54 | Genre9mp3 | like he sets the battery capacity |
| 14:56:57 | Mikachu | thePianoMan: ogg files would usually be smaller than mp3 for the same quality |
| 14:57:23 | thePianoMan | ahh ok, so more processing required to decode them. fair enough |
| 14:57:33 | amiconn | What would possibly make sense is extending the (already existing) battery runtime log into a system that monitors battery usage, and adapts the estimation based on past values |
| 14:57:41 | amiconn | (self-adjusting battery meter) |
| 14:58:29 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: That would be sweet! |
| 14:58:31 | thePianoMan | I wonder how it's done in Linux etc? |
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| 14:59:26 | Mikachu | thePianoMan: how what is? |
| 14:59:31 | amiconn | Ogg is generally a bit more processor intensive than mp3, but otoh the ogg codec has optimisations for ARM CPUs, so on ipod, ogg is (currently) more efficient than mp3 |
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| 15:00:00 | chendo | how ironic |
| 15:00:25 | Genre9mp3 | chendo: hehe...I agree |
| 15:00:30 | flithm | I think doing a linux processer load approach would be good... keep average power consumption rates for last hour, 15 mins, 5 mins, 1 min, and then you can have a few different battery life estimations based on those numbers... I say leave the guess work to the humans |
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| 15:02:02 | thePianoMan | do some kind of regression on historical data? |
| 15:04:13 | flithm | I don't think it would be too difficult |
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| 15:07:24 | markun | why do we need runtime estimation? Isn't the battery percentage enough? |
| 15:07:47 | flithm | heh |
| 15:07:49 | flithm | yeah totally |
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| 15:09:47 | Genre9mp3 | markun: Yes..you have some point there |
| 15:10:49 | dionoea | hello |
| 15:10:57 | preglow | sweet lord, this weather |
| 15:11:18 | petur | yes it's getting hot again :/ |
| 15:11:33 | preglow | just took a bike ride |
| 15:11:37 | preglow | i'm pretty much sweating away |
| 15:11:38 | thePianoMan | bah I'm freezing, (in this part of the world anyway) |
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| 15:12:29 | Genre9mp3 | petur: haha...Invitation to Athens is open just for you! :P |
| 15:13:15 | thePianoMan | if you're looking for cooler weather, try Melbourne, Australia |
| 15:13:39 | Genre9mp3 | It's only 30C° here now |
| 15:13:45 | preglow | i'm perfectly cool with this weather, thank you |
| 15:13:49 | preglow | i've been waiting for it for ages |
| 15:14:12 | mirak | does the daily build of today have the ISP bug fixed ? |
| 15:14:18 | preglow | should, yes |
| 15:14:24 | mirak | thanks |
| 15:14:49 | dongs | isp bug? |
| 15:14:55 | preglow | power issue |
| 15:15:04 | gpoo | isp |
| 15:15:05 | gpoo | wtf |
| 15:15:29 | thePianoMan | Genre9mp3: it hit a top of 12C here today, it's now about 6C |
| 15:18:35 | Jungti1234 | bye all |
| 15:18:40 | Jungti1234 | thanks all, today. |
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| 15:20:40 | dionoea | has anyone started a "paint" plugin for rockbox ? |
| 15:21:26 | stripwax | dianoea - yes. |
| 15:21:51 | stripwax | dianoea - http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/ |
| 15:21:53 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Thanx for the fix |
| 15:22:00 | preglow | Genre9mp3: benchmark done? |
| 15:22:22 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: No...not yet... |
| 15:22:23 | dionoea | stripwax: hum, nice web site :) |
| 15:22:40 | Genre9mp3 | 18+ hours till now |
| 15:22:45 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think the arm opts is what makes ogg faster tha mp3 on ipods, it's more probably the data cache |
| 15:22:53 | preglow | Genre9mp3: hah, excellent |
| 15:22:59 | stripwax | dionoea - nothing to do with me .. |
| 15:23:11 | preglow | hmm, can anyone remember how much i got out of my h1x0 the last time i benched it? |
| 15:23:12 | dionoea | well it's still nice :) |
| 15:23:18 | preglow | i think i got 20++ |
| 15:23:39 | stripwax | ;-) |
| 15:23:44 | stripwax | outties −− bbl |
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| 15:34:08 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: wow 18 hours and still going? |
| 15:34:29 | preglow | so, have we got iriver beat already? |
| 15:34:34 | XavierGr | of course |
| 15:34:39 | XavierGr | 2 hours |
| 15:34:39 | * | preglow dispenses the confetti! |
| 15:35:52 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: That's right... |
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| 15:42:52 | * | XavierGr updates the feature comparison table |
| 15:43:25 | XavierGr | now we can clearly declare that we kick iriver's ass on battery time on both targets!! |
| 15:44:09 | XavierGr | is it better to move the battery feature on iriver specific features? |
| 15:47:37 | chendo | currently i'm getting around 18 hours of estimated battery life with a 2200mAh battery |
| 15:47:44 | chendo | but i'm playing 230kbit oggs |
| 15:48:07 | markun | chendo: estimated? |
| 15:48:21 | chendo | running time + estimated time left |
| 15:49:30 | preglow | XavierGr: at least for mp3, has anyone done any ogg tests? |
| 15:49:46 | XavierGr | chendo is doing |
| 15:50:03 | XavierGr | but he uses a 2200mah battery. |
| 15:50:26 | XavierGr | chendo how's iriver performance on ogg with your battery? |
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| 15:50:51 | XavierGr | chendo: have you made a full benchmark with retail OS and ogg? |
| 15:50:52 | Genre9mp3 | As I said...battery_benching seems to became a trend! Everyone does! :P |
| 15:51:00 | chendo | XavierGr, uh, no.. ;x |
| 15:51:16 | chendo | iriver firmware lacks a battery bench plugin, you see... ;p |
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| 15:51:51 | preglow | but yeah |
| 15:51:58 | XavierGr | chendo: yes but you can still measure the runtime yourself. |
| 15:52:01 | preglow | an ogg benchmark would be very interesting |
| 15:52:05 | saa[b_r]ider | @amiconn: hi, are you around? |
| 15:52:10 | preglow | some if someone wants to do some benchmarking, please do that |
| 15:52:10 | chendo | i'll be sleeping >_< |
| 15:52:24 | chendo | i'll see what i can do though. |
| 15:52:33 | saa[b_r]ider | @markun: Hola.. |
| 15:53:04 | chendo | quick question |
| 15:53:11 | chendo | how hard is mp3 recording to implement? |
| 15:53:33 | saa[b_r]ider | @XavierGr: how's the H300 battery life with you up till now? |
| 15:53:50 | ashridah | does the rockbox mp3 encoder work at >100% realtime yet? |
| 15:54:11 | ashridah | chendo: it's probably not actually all that hard, it's just tedious and error prone getting the buffering right |
| 15:55:24 | chendo | hmm |
| 15:55:25 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: 17 hours and still going (with an 1900mah battery) |
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| 15:55:42 | saa[b_r]ider | woohoo! but that's not the stock battery is it? |
| 15:55:49 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: I have a feeling that I will suprass the 30 hours threshold... |
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| 15:56:02 | preglow | ashridah: yes |
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| 15:56:05 | saa[b_r]ider | WOW! |
| 15:56:11 | preglow | ashridah: for all bitrates |
| 15:56:21 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I'm at almost 19 hours currently with the stock battery...still running |
| 15:56:27 | XavierGr | On a very old benchmark my H140 gave 25 hours but without the disk power off or the mp3 optimisations |
| 15:56:36 | XavierGr | (with the same 1900 mah battery) |
| 15:56:55 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: Nice!!! |
| 15:57:33 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: hmm.. so other than disk power off, what else do you have changed in the settings (which results in increasing battery life?) |
| 15:58:27 | XavierGr | nothing, but as I said the H140 (with 1900mah) was an old one. |
| 15:58:53 | XavierGr | so given the results of stock battery on H140 (21 hours with rockbox) an H340 with 1900 will go beyond 30 hours |
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| 15:59:07 | XavierGr | but I am not sure about that, time will tell. |
| 15:59:26 | XavierGr | It will be a very LONG battery_benchmark... :D |
| 15:59:32 | saa[b_r]ider | wonder how good battery life would be with the 2000+ mah batteries! |
| 15:59:39 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 15:59:54 | saa[b_r]ider | please don't forget to post your results at MR ;) |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:01 | XavierGr | though many 2200mah batteries are cheap ones that can't manage to give more than 1900mah |
| 16:00:13 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider:of course |
| 16:00:38 | XavierGr | If the results are great I think I will pester Jeff for another front page news about Rockbox. |
| 16:00:46 | saa[b_r]ider | I'm still running on the stock 1300, but now I'm encouraged to upgrade! |
| 16:00:49 | saa[b_r]ider | (I |
| 16:01:15 | saa[b_r]ider | (I'm still waiting for this news to hit the top of MR's site ) :D |
| 16:01:25 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Why upgrade now? There's no need to...NOW |
| 16:01:30 | Genre9mp3 | ;) |
| 16:01:39 | * | saa[b_r]ider is greedy |
| 16:01:44 | saa[b_r]ider | :p |
| 16:02:54 | saa[b_r]ider | other than amiconn, who else helped with this magnificent update (not that other developments are any less magnificent ;) ) |
| 16:05:19 | preglow | i believe amiconn did the bulk of the work |
| 16:05:52 | dionoea | anyone here know if Eli Sherer is on this chan ? |
| 16:06:05 | dionoea | (person who coded xobox, rockpaint ...) |
| 16:06:34 | saa[b_r]ider | dionoea: in the past he logged-on as eli_sherer so it doesn't seem like he's here |
| 16:06:46 | dionoea | ok ... well i'll send him an email then |
| 16:06:56 | preglow | dionoea: if he is, he usually calls himself eli_sherer, i believe |
| 16:07:00 | preglow | yeah |
| 16:08:36 | dionoea | maybe someone here knows if he's still working on rockpaint or not ? |
| 16:08:42 | Mikachu | i think Paprica knows him |
| 16:08:58 | saa[b_r]ider | yup |
| 16:09:12 | dionoea | Paprica: ? |
| 16:09:36 | saa[b_r]ider | they use to work on plug-ins together, or at least host their plug-ins together |
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| 16:54:51 | JdGordon | go portugal :D |
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| 16:55:50 | ashridah | ? |
| 16:56:44 | JdGordon | 2:0 to iran |
| 16:56:58 | JdGordon | unless they scroed while i was driving home from the pub |
| 16:59:29 | ashridah | mmm pub |
| 16:59:37 | ashridah | wish my exams were over. |
| 16:59:42 | ashridah | dying to go to the croft and get wasted |
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| 17:00:20 | JdGordon | :) how many u got left? |
| 17:00:30 | ashridah | 1 left |
| 17:00:38 | ashridah | bitch too, since it's a new subject, no past exams to review |
| 17:00:46 | JdGordon | damn that sux |
| 17:00:55 | Mikachu | ask them to make an example exam |
| 17:01:03 | JdGordon | i got 2 left this week.. then a week break with mates getign drunk :) |
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| 17:02:17 | ashridah | Mikachu: we did. it didn't work :) |
| 17:06:26 | JdGordon | how do i rename all files in a folder form uppercase to lowercase? |
| 17:06:41 | Mikachu | do you use zsh? |
| 17:06:50 | JdGordon | bash |
| 17:07:48 | Mikachu | in zsh you can do for a (*) {mv $a ${(L)a}} |
| 17:08:14 | Mikachu | which doesn't help you |
| 17:08:47 | Mikachu | i think you can do |
| 17:09:10 | Mikachu | for a in *;do mv $a "$(echo a|tr A-Z a-z)"; done |
| 17:09:34 | Mikachu | er |
| 17:09:35 | Mikachu | echo $a |
| 17:09:41 | Mikachu | or you'll lose all files :P |
| 17:10:08 | Mikachu | yeah, with $a it seems to work |
| 17:10:20 | Mikachu | no warranty though |
| 17:11:00 | Mikachu | i guess you could use the "tolower" command if you have that too :P |
| 17:11:28 | JdGordon | i did it without sudo so it wouldnt actually do it.. but... "mv: cannot move `TEMPEST.ZIP' to `a': Permission denied" they all say to 'a' ? |
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| 17:11:44 | Mikachu | you could try reading what i wrote too, not just copy the command |
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| 17:12:08 | JdGordon | not at 1am.... :p |
| 17:13:00 | JdGordon | missed a $ |
| 17:13:26 | idnar | there's a utility called "rename" or "prename" that comes with perl |
| 17:15:25 | idnar | basically lets you use any perl expression to manipulate filenames |
| 17:15:44 | idnar | in this case, you could do: rename 'tr[A-Z][a-z]' path/to/files/* |
| 17:16:34 | JdGordon | thanx, Mikachu's command worked |
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| 18:23:52 | Genre9mp3 | Well well well...I have some final results here... :) |
| 18:24:14 | * | XavierGr drools |
| 18:25:52 | * | petur is recording 5+ hours and still not halfway :) |
| 18:26:15 | XavierGr | just great! :) |
| 18:26:20 | chendo | ETA 18 hours with 230kbit OGGs |
| 18:26:24 | chendo | on 2200mAh |
| 18:27:04 | Genre9mp3 | Ok....here's my time: |
| 18:27:06 | markun | chendo: which q setting is 230? |
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| 18:27:13 | chendo | nfi... |
| 18:27:17 | Genre9mp3 | 20:30:18 !!!!!!! |
| 18:27:18 | chendo | got this off a friend |
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| 18:27:43 | XavierGr | WOW |
| 18:27:55 | markun | chendo: you have more than 32MB in the playlist, right? |
| 18:28:11 | * | XavierGr throws confetti all over the place and dances the awesome-battery-time dance!!! :D |
| 18:28:22 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: hehe |
| 18:28:28 | chendo | markun, of course |
| 18:28:49 | chendo | it's a whole album |
| 18:29:02 | chendo | 81mb |
| 18:29:48 | Genre9mp3 | Now...I wouldn't like to be an iriver employee ;) |
| 18:30:19 | dionoea | how long do the batteries last with normal firmware ? |
| 18:30:21 | Genre9mp3 | Rockbox beats iriver firmware by 4,5 hours! Awesome! |
| 18:30:32 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: 16 hours |
| 18:32:10 | XavierGr | these are magnificent news |
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| 18:36:12 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=461652&postcount=34 |
| 18:36:15 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
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| 18:39:33 | Genre9mp3 | It's time to rest my precious.... :D |
| 18:39:48 | tiennou | so how long did you get? |
| 18:40:02 | Genre9mp3 | 20:30:18 |
| 18:40:08 | tiennou | awesome!!! |
| 18:40:15 | Genre9mp3 | indeed... |
| 18:40:53 | tiennou | with a 4 month old battery.... thanks to amiconn and all the other who worked on this problem... |
| 18:41:33 | Genre9mp3 | tiennou: Yes..4month stock battery |
| 18:41:38 | tiennou | Do you thin it was only a h300 target bug or maybe all the other hdd target have that chip (talkinh about ipod 5g) |
| 18:41:53 | dionoea | it was h300 only i think (the usb chip) |
| 18:42:44 | tiennou | hope progress will be made too for the ipod 5g since i just said goodbye to my rockboxed h340 ... :( |
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| 18:43:00 | dionoea | yeah, i hope it too |
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| 18:54:46 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: you should check your battery settings |
| 18:54:49 | * | dionoea makes rockpaint usable |
| 18:54:57 | XavierGr | the log says 2600mah battery time. |
| 18:55:22 | XavierGr | but you got a 1300mah one. (not that it matters on the benchmark) |
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| 18:57:18 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Hmmm...weird |
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| 18:57:35 | Genre9mp3 | I don't remember changing that |
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| 19:01:26 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders why it was set exactly twice from the default setting |
| 19:03:57 | Paprica | dionoea, what are you doing? |
| 19:04:19 | dionoea | Paprica: ah ! do you know if Eli is still working on rockpaint ? |
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| 19:04:37 | Paprica | no, he is in the army |
| 19:04:44 | dionoea | oh :-( |
| 19:04:46 | Paprica | he dont have any time to work on it |
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| 19:04:56 | Paprica | yeah// |
| 19:05:06 | dionoea | ok, so i took the last source code available on your website (rockpaint.c,v 0.45 2005/12/09) |
| 19:05:20 | dionoea | and i cleaned some of the code up and started adding new features |
| 19:05:25 | Paprica | and what you will do? |
| 19:05:28 | dionoea | color chooser |
| 19:05:33 | dionoea | drawing simple shaped |
| 19:05:35 | dionoea | shpes |
| 19:05:37 | dionoea | crap |
| 19:05:38 | dionoea | shapes |
| 19:05:50 | dionoea | and then stuff like gradients |
| 19:05:54 | dionoea | filling shapes |
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| 19:05:59 | dionoea | maybe writing text |
| 19:06:15 | Paprica | i think that your first stap need to be |
| 19:06:17 | Paprica | saving |
| 19:06:24 | Paprica | and opening bitmaps |
| 19:06:36 | dionoea | yeah, that also needs to be done :) |
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| 19:06:43 | dionoea | opening stuff looks like its almost done |
| 19:06:47 | dionoea | i don't know about saving |
| 19:06:55 | Paprica | new featurs wont make it usable |
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| 19:07:07 | dionoea | ? |
| 19:07:16 | Paprica | i mean |
| 19:07:30 | Paprica | that new featurs without saving |
| 19:07:36 | dionoea | oh yeah, you're right :) |
| 19:07:47 | Paprica | :) |
| 19:09:17 | dionoea | 2 years in the army ... that doesn't sound too good to me |
| 19:09:41 | Mikachu | mandatory? |
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| 19:09:58 | dionoea | in israel i guess that it is :) (Eli is from israel right ?) |
| 19:10:16 | dionoea | (according to his email address :p) |
| 19:10:17 | Mikachu | in sweden, i think it's 9 months, and only a third have to do it |
| 19:10:26 | Mikachu | i am not in that third |
| 19:10:36 | dionoea | in france they abolished it 2 or 3 years before my turn came :) |
| 19:10:51 | XavierGr | I wonder if Slasheri finally finished his army obligations! |
| 19:10:52 | dionoea | Mikachu: how do they choose the third ? random ? money ? |
| 19:10:59 | Mikachu | tests |
| 19:11:14 | dionoea | so like dumb people go to the army ? |
| 19:11:19 | dionoea | err ... sorry |
| 19:11:20 | Mikachu | heh |
| 19:11:27 | Mikachu | physical and psycological tests |
| 19:11:48 | earHertz | how do I access values in global seetings? |
| 19:11:59 | Mikachu | i guess they place you differently depending on your scores |
| 19:12:01 | * | Genre9mp3 remembers himself that army awaits soon |
| 19:12:18 | Mikachu | i didn't have to do it because i'd already started university at the time |
| 19:12:21 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: are you using any of the settings mentioned here? http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=382439&postcount=8 |
| 19:13:20 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: except the dircache no. |
| 19:13:55 | saa[b_r]ider | so you have dircache on, and disk power off on as well |
| 19:14:08 | XavierGr | so yes my battery time can be increased further with some tweaking. Though it will be negligible. |
| 19:15:09 | * | Genre9mp3 thinks that XavierGr goes for a WORLD RECORD |
| 19:15:28 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 19:15:46 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: how slow is the H300's response with disk power off when you try to browse files? |
| 19:15:59 | hardeep | directory cache will probably have a negative affect on battery life if you're not doing any directory browsing after you begin playback |
| 19:16:13 | XavierGr | hardeep: yes |
| 19:16:45 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: It can delay a little more but I can't notice a big difference |
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| 19:16:48 | Paprica | dionoea, 3 years in the army in israel |
| 19:16:53 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: but that's why we have dircache. |
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| 19:17:06 | dionoea | wow ... that's more than i though ... |
| 19:17:51 | Paprica | :) |
| 19:18:37 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: ok, I'll try to test with directory caceh on, and disk power off on... but I'll test with 0db (the volume I listen to :p) and the headphones connected (I read it makes a difference) |
| 19:18:50 | Mikachu | Paprica: have you done it already? |
| 19:19:10 | saa[b_r]ider | let's see if I can replicate anything close to 20 hours on the stock battery |
| 19:19:16 | Paprica | no, i will do it |
| 19:19:22 | * | dionoea would flee |
| 19:19:25 | Mikachu | ah |
| 19:19:26 | Mikachu | heh, me too |
| 19:19:33 | Paprica | i have 2 yeaqrs of freedom :P |
| 19:21:49 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: yes it will make a difference but it will be small. |
| 19:21:56 | XavierGr | (for the volume) |
| 19:22:57 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: BTW I already have the reported world record on H140 in the wiki! :p (although someone can break it easily with another battery) |
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| 19:24:02 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Your H300 will be disqualified though... :-P |
| 19:24:25 | saab_rider | d/c |
| 19:24:28 | dionoea | Paprica: is it 3 years non stop ? or do you have holidays from time to time ? |
| 19:24:29 | Genre9mp3 | Your battery is on steroids! :) |
| 19:24:48 | Paprica | we have holidays/// |
| 19:24:48 | Paprica | .. |
| 19:24:52 | dionoea | lots ? |
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| 19:25:11 | Paprica | mmm enough |
| 19:25:12 | Paprica | i think |
| 19:25:21 | dionoea | heehe :) |
| 19:25:29 | saab_rider | XavierGr: sorry, do you have disk spin down set to 5s? |
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| 19:26:19 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: LOL |
| 19:26:31 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: yes I got it to default 5s |
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| 19:32:15 | XavierGr | I just submitted a news report on MR about the latest news on battery times for both H300 and H100 lets see if they are going to put it in the front page. |
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| 19:33:22 | saab_rider | XavierGr did you PM jeff? |
| 19:33:43 | XavierGr | saab_rider: no, should I? |
| 19:34:11 | saab_rider | it would bring the H300 RB power fix to his attention, then it could be added to the front page |
| 19:34:38 | XavierGr | ok I will let him know |
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| 19:53:17 | dionoea | yeah ! i have lines, rectangles and custom color choice working in rockpaint :) |
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| 19:53:58 | Paprica | custom colors is done by eli |
| 19:53:59 | Paprica | isnt it? |
| 19:54:09 | dionoea | err ... not in the version available on the website |
| 19:54:17 | dionoea | he had 18 preset colors |
| 19:56:05 | dionoea | now lets do ovals |
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| 19:59:12 | juxtap | how do i charge my ipod without rockbox rebooting over and over again? |
| 19:59:33 | juxtap | (plugged directly into plug port with usb adapter) |
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| 20:00:37 | obo | hold down the menu button in rockbox when plugging the cable in |
| 20:00:44 | juxtap | tried that |
| 20:00:53 | juxtap | all that does is load apple os |
| 20:01:11 | juxtap | i wanna be playing moosic with rockbox while it's charging :p |
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| 20:04:38 | obo | no, hold menu while rockbox is running, not at boot |
| 20:05:01 | obo | then plug the usb in |
| 20:07:40 | Amien | is there anyway to start in /MP3/ .. instead of root |
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| 20:19:49 | San | would anyone be interested in doing a quick interview for my website? |
| 20:20:24 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: did you use the RB benchmark to time the battery life? or did you just play and take a note of when you started and when it died? |
| 20:20:50 | saa[b_r]ider | San: hi San, interview as in have a look and tell you what we think? |
| 20:21:22 | San | no |
| 20:21:33 | San | i just ask you questions and then you answer them |
| 20:21:47 | San | then I will post it on the website for people to read and comment on |
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| 20:21:51 | saa[b_r]ider | hmm.. how many questions :D |
| 20:21:58 | San | errm, say.... 10 |
| 20:22:10 | saa[b_r]ider | what the heck, sure :) |
| 20:22:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | san: What website, and what sort of person are you looking to interview? Developer, fan, user? |
| 20:23:25 | San | a dev |
| 20:23:31 | San | my site: diabolikal.org |
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| 20:23:52 | San | it was just an idea.. |
| 20:24:07 | saa[b_r]ider | San: oh.. I'm not a dev :| |
| 20:24:17 | San | ok.. :( |
| 20:24:39 | San | Paul_The_Nerd: are you a dev? |
| 20:25:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't say so, no. |
| 20:25:30 | San | oh, ok then.. |
| 20:25:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | People frequently mistake me for one. It's kinda funny. |
| 20:25:49 | San | lol |
| 20:25:50 | preglow | haha |
| 20:25:54 | San | i tought you were one |
| 20:26:17 | San | well, if anyone would like to then.. just tell me here or on MR |
| 20:26:18 | San | :D |
| 20:26:26 | San | it would just take about 10 mins |
| 20:26:32 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: the battery benchmark of course |
| 20:26:54 | preglow | anyone know what the benchmark ended up on? |
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| 20:27:39 | XavierGr | preglow: Which benchmark? |
| 20:27:47 | XavierGr | Genre9's? |
| 20:28:38 | preglow | yea |
| 20:28:40 | preglow | are there any more? |
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| 20:28:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Amiconn was running one, right? |
| 20:28:57 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: please forgive my ignorance, can you point me to a guide on how to use it, or is it really very simple? |
| 20:29:33 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: just select the battery_bench.rock and hit play. |
| 20:29:44 | XavierGr | then you can continue with normal usage of your player. |
| 20:29:47 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: dunno, that's why i ask |
| 20:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I see a 13h46m and a 20h30m runtime on the page, both supposedly from Standard batteries. |
| 20:30:01 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
| 20:30:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: The 13h was 192kbps, no disk poweroff, the 20h was 128kbps, poweroff enabled. |
| 20:30:19 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: play or navi? |
| 20:30:47 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: i've got a feeling disk poweroff is very effective |
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| 20:30:58 | XavierGr | preglow: Genre9mp3 just reported 20 hours and 38 minutes with his h300 on default battery and 128kbps mp3s |
| 20:31:11 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: play |
| 20:31:16 | preglow | so h1x0 still has better performance, then |
| 20:31:25 | preglow | to be expected, i guess |
| 20:32:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's much closer, and the "Rockbox destroys your batteries" folks should be quelled for the time being. |
| 20:32:13 | XavierGr | preglow : just a tiny bit... |
| 20:32:22 | XavierGr | 20 minutes so no one is sure. |
| 20:32:31 | XavierGr | for me it is virtually the same |
| 20:32:36 | preglow | i got 20:15 out of an old battery on hi bps mp3s |
| 20:32:47 | XavierGr | nice! |
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| 20:35:54 | Amien | is there anyway to start in /MP3/ .. instead of root |
| 20:36:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | All I know is that my h120 lasts me a full "day" of use (day being defined as longest time between accesses to the charger) and that's good enough. :) |
| 20:36:02 | saa[b_r]ider | god, waiting for the battery to fully charge the last bit takes AGES! |
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| 20:37:07 | saa[b_r]ider | it was fully charged, then I connected the player to update the build, and make sure all the settings are ready for my battery test.... |
| 20:37:19 | saa[b_r]ider | and got carried away listening to a few tracks :D |
| 20:37:43 | saa[b_r]ider | but it couldn't have been more than 10 minutes of use, and it's been a while re-charging |
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| 20:53:24 | glen_quagmire | so Ifi want to buy an mp3 player. do I buy something suported? |
| 20:54:23 | San | if you want rockbox, then yes |
| 20:54:27 | San | *giggidy* |
| 20:54:31 | glen_quagmire | San: is rockbox good? |
| 20:54:36 | glen_quagmire | it's my first mp3 player |
| 20:54:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well whether you want Rockbox depends on if you want Rockbox's features. |
| 20:55:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | But most of us prefer it by a long shot over the built-in firmware on our players |
| 20:55:24 | San | what do you look for in an MP3 player glen? |
| 20:55:43 | * | Paul_The_Nerd recommends reading this page too http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 20:55:51 | * | San too |
| 20:56:17 | glen_quagmire | San: mp3 wma player |
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| 20:57:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox doesn't support WMA yet |
| 20:57:39 | glen_quagmire | oh i see |
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| 21:01:28 | preglow | which reminds me |
| 21:01:33 | preglow | i wish marsdaddy would surface soon |
| 21:01:49 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 21:01:52 | XavierGr | where is he lost |
| 21:02:10 | XavierGr | I hate it when they leave and don't submit a patch :P |
| 21:02:39 | Amien | if i would buy a ipod cradle with remote .. could rockbox work with that? |
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| 21:03:34 | preglow | he has submitted a patch |
| 21:03:38 | preglow | but it's old |
| 21:03:46 | preglow | i wish he'd just resurface so we can commit his work |
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| 21:08:35 | earHertz | what header do I include to have access to the prefs/global settings? |
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| 21:11:39 | juxtap | oh, ta obo |
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| 21:20:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh man, this ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4880.msg37013;topicseen#msg37013 ) is basically the standard Spam message our forums have been getting lately. But, they forgot the links. |
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| 21:27:56 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 21:28:19 | Xerion | lol |
| 21:29:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually there are three or four links to various sites selling stuff, etc. |
| 21:30:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | His account even has the necessary mail.ru email address, but apparently either the script screwed up, or their cheap hired labour just merely forgot. |
| 21:30:34 | dionoea | do you get spam with links hidden in smileys or punctation signs too ? |
| 21:30:41 | dionoea | these are kind of tricky to spot |
| 21:30:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Haven't yet. |
| 21:30:55 | dionoea | we have them all the time on the videolan forums |
| 21:31:12 | dionoea | so you have to look at the message's source to check ... kind of horrible |
| 21:31:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | We've *just* started getting spam as far as I know. |
| 21:31:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | On to forums, that is. |
| 21:31:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The wiki has been getting hit now and then for a while |
| 21:32:18 | * | dionoea wishes that good spam filters existed |
| 21:32:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes that spam simply didn't earn money, so they'd stop doing it. |
| 21:32:53 | dionoea | hehe :) |
| 21:33:34 | dionoea | does rockbox have float support ? (and stuff like sqrt() ?) |
| 21:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seriously, I want to find the 5 people that have to click spam links anywhere on Earth and actually make the practice profitable, and explain to them that 6billion people would like them to stop buying those pills their email keeps recommending. |
| 21:34:01 | dionoea | :) |
| 21:34:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox is fixed point. |
| 21:34:26 | preglow | yes, yes it is |
| 21:34:40 | obo | dionoea: I've just found and used a fixed-point sqrt |
| 21:34:55 | preglow | it has floating point support, as in it can support floating point operations, but it will be VERY slow since it's emulated |
| 21:35:01 | preglow | also, we have no libm |
| 21:35:11 | dionoea | obo: well it's just to draw an oval :) so i guess that i'll do some ugly stuff :) |
| 21:35:13 | preglow | there already is a fixed point sqrt in rockbox |
| 21:35:19 | preglow | in eq.c |
| 21:35:20 | dionoea | oh, where ? |
| 21:35:22 | obo | doh! |
| 21:35:23 | dionoea | thanks |
| 21:35:34 | obo | preglow: don't suppose you know of a log10 then?? ;) |
| 21:35:43 | preglow | there is a log10 in rockbox as well |
| 21:35:45 | preglow | in replaygain.c |
| 21:35:58 | preglow | i'm planning to make a fixed point math library some time |
| 21:36:16 | obo | that would be good :D |
| 21:36:17 | dionoea | you even have sin and cos ! great :) |
| 21:36:27 | preglow | btw |
| 21:36:28 | preglow | i suck |
| 21:36:30 | preglow | we have no log10 |
| 21:36:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: Does the oval need to actually be drawn? |
| 21:36:32 | preglow | only exp10 |
| 21:36:37 | obo | ah, okay |
| 21:36:43 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: it's for rockpaint ... so ... yeah :p |
| 21:36:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 21:36:48 | preglow | dionoea: yeah, really good sin/cos to boot |
| 21:37:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bah, with screens that small, people can hand-plot their curves. |
| 21:37:19 | obo | I've found a natural log, but to convert to log10 I need to do ln(x)/ln(10), and under fixed point it's throwing away too much precision :( |
| 21:37:36 | obo | but then again, I could easily be doing something stupid |
| 21:37:40 | preglow | dividing by ten is throwing awao too much precision???? |
| 21:37:46 | dionoea | can't you just count the number of digits and then do some simple stuff ? |
| 21:37:51 | preglow | what the hell are you making, a fractal zoomer? |
| 21:38:02 | obo | hehe, no, vu_meter... |
| 21:38:14 | preglow | you don't need that precision for a vu meter |
| 21:38:17 | obo | shifting to 16.16 |
| 21:38:18 | preglow | i can pretty much guarantee you that |
| 21:39:29 | obo | yeah, output wise I only need ints, but somehow I'm killing it before that... anyway, bbiab |
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| 21:49:25 | dionoea | preglow: would it be ok if i added fsqrt and fsincos to the plugin api ? |
| 21:52:32 | XavierGr | hmm my benchmark seems not to go too well... |
| 21:52:50 | XavierGr | if a stock battery managed 20 hours I should get at least 29-30 |
| 21:53:08 | XavierGr | but the player now has 20% battery and 2-3 hours left |
| 21:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | DUDE |
| 21:53:18 | XavierGr | that makes it 27 hours |
| 21:53:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Recover Mode" on the e200 gives you direct USB access to something that's 16mb in size... |
| 21:53:36 | XavierGr | we will see I don't rememver exactly when I started the benchmark |
| 21:54:03 | preglow | dionoea: no |
| 21:54:10 | preglow | dionoea: i'd rather we put those in a separate lib |
| 21:54:14 | preglow | but i'll have to ask the other devs first |
| 21:54:21 | dionoea | ok, i'll let you do that then :) |
| 21:54:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a 16mb FAT formatted partition, with just "Version.txt" in it... |
| 21:54:54 | preglow | amiconn: any input on whether fixed point math functions should be put in its own lib, or shared via plugin api? |
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| 22:03:38 | dionoea | yeah ! ellipse is working :) |
| 22:05:34 | XavierGr | wow why is eclipse so big? |
| 22:05:53 | XavierGr | haha |
| 22:05:59 | dionoea | don't know (/me was talking about an ellipse ...) |
| 22:06:11 | dionoea | you should use vim instead of eclipse :) |
| 22:07:00 | XavierGr | that's why I was laughing. I know nothing about IDEs and you said ellipse and I though that you managed to make ecclipse work with rockbox (or something like that). Then I went to the site to see what I am missing |
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| 22:07:49 | dionoea | :) |
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| 22:16:08 | Amien | anyone using jBlackGlass Themes here? i installed it .. but the first row of the menu is in the top of the screen |
| 22:17:11 | tucoz | The statusbar? |
| 22:17:23 | tucoz | battery, volume etc? |
| 22:17:41 | Amien | no .. 'recent bookmarks' is on the same row as 'menu/file browser' |
| 22:17:46 | Amien | the playing screen is perfect |
| 22:19:07 | tucoz | Ok, then I don't know what is wrong |
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| 22:19:26 | Amien | http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbg11b.bmp |
| 22:19:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably a side-effect of one of the patches. |
| 22:19:46 | Amien | my battery logo and timelogo seems to be smaller |
| 22:20:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds like the status bar height patch he uses isn't working right. |
| 22:20:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should really ask in the thread for that build |
| 22:20:24 | Amien | k |
| 22:20:41 | tucoz | That theme is really pretty |
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| 22:48:57 | XavierGr | ah nice battery news hit the front page in MR |
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| 22:57:20 | Amien | a scroll-sound like ipod is not in RB right? |
| 22:57:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a patch for it, I believe |
| 22:58:55 | toed | what's MR? |
| 22:59:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | MisticRiver |
| 22:59:16 | petur | MisticRiver |
| 22:59:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | And iRiver Fan site |
| 22:59:27 | toed | ah |
| 22:59:29 | petur | :) |
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| 23:00:53 | dionoea | crap, my ipod froze |
| 23:01:18 | dionoea | is there a special combo key to kill a plugin ? |
| 23:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really |
| 23:03:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | If Menu or Menu+Select doesn't do anything. |
| 23:03:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then holding Menu+Select until you reboot will do it. |
| 23:03:49 | dionoea | yeah, i know :) i was just hoping that some nicer solution existed |
| 23:05:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really, no. |
| 23:05:38 | * | amiconn appears |
| 23:06:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd cheers |
| 23:06:18 | amiconn | Result from my H300 runtime test (192kbps mp3, disk poweroff enabled, no backlight, 0dB line out): 20h 26min (!!) |
| 23:08:57 | preglow | amiconn: saw my question? |
| 23:09:33 | * | amiconn scrolls back |
| 23:09:42 | preglow | an hour ago or so |
| 23:09:54 | preglow | haha |
| 23:10:06 | preglow | it doesn't look like bitrate has much to say at all on battery time when playing mp3s |
| 23:11:02 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't really understand... do you want to put some fixed point fns in the core? |
| 23:11:38 | preglow | _i_ want them in a separate library that can be linked to whatever needs it |
| 23:12:02 | preglow | we already have fixed point fns in the core, they're just not exported to plugins |
| 23:12:45 | amiconn | Well, so far there's a clear approach. If we need a certain function in the core, we put it there, and if plugins/codecs should also be able to use it, we put it into the api |
| 23:13:18 | amiconn | But if there are functions which are not needed in the core, we put it into a library and link it against plugins/codecs |
| 23:13:36 | amiconn | s/put it/put them/ |
| 23:13:53 | preglow | they're needed here and there in the core, but already someone's requested a fixed point fn that's not needed by the core |
| 23:14:00 | preglow | i can very well see it being useful, though |
| 23:14:43 | preglow | if it's not needed in the core, it should be added to the plugin source, but i'd like it if all fixed point stuff was put in one place, which then again pretty much means a library is needed |
| 23:15:38 | amiconn | Thing is, if we put all functions into the core, we bloat the core, and if we put all functions in libraries, we bloat the codec+plugins |
| 23:15:55 | preglow | sure |
| 23:15:58 | preglow | there's a tradeoff |
| 23:16:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't it better to bloat the plugins? |
| 23:16:51 | preglow | i'd say so |
| 23:17:48 | amiconn | I'd say neither the core nor the plugins should be bloated unnecessarily |
| 23:18:05 | amiconn | What's wrong with the current approach? |
| 23:18:30 | preglow | that fixed point code is thrown all over the place |
| 23:19:09 | preglow | anyway, all fixed point code in rockbox should be put in a single file anyway |
| 23:19:18 | amiconn | 'all over the place'? Just 2 different places... |
| 23:19:23 | preglow | right now we have some in eq.c, some in dsp.c, some in replaygain.c |
| 23:19:30 | preglow | plug whatever is used in some plugins |
| 23:20:31 | preglow | is that general enough to be put in firmware/ or what? |
| 23:24:39 | XavierGr | 24.30 hours for me so far and kepp playing (1900mah) |
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| 23:25:53 | amiconn | XavierGr: Expect something around 27:30 |
| 23:26:18 | XavierGr | yeah that is what I think too. |
| 23:26:43 | XavierGr | though the ETA is so off, that I was scared for a moment |
| 23:27:28 | XavierGr | it said 3 hours to shut down and it is playing for more than 5 hours. We should definitely calibrate it with all those benchmarks |
| 23:28:07 | amiconn | Guess why I'm doing these? |
| 23:28:14 | preglow | we need more than mp3 benchmarks first |
| 23:28:20 | amiconn | Collecting data for runtime calibration |
| 23:28:22 | preglow | we can't use mp3 benchmarks for avg batt runetime |
| 23:28:27 | preglow | runtime too |
| 23:28:43 | preglow | an average of mp3, ogg and flac would be nice |
| 23:28:43 | amiconn | ..varying parameters |
| 23:29:25 | amiconn | I disagree somewhat |
| 23:29:35 | preglow | why? |
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| 23:30:04 | amiconn | (1) mp3 is the most widespread format. It's also supported on all targets |
| 23:30:08 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I know :p |
| 23:30:19 | preglow | amiconn: moot point, the runtime estimation won't be cross target |
| 23:30:20 | amiconn | (2) It's a clearly defined base for runtime measurement |
| 23:30:24 | preglow | it has to be done per target |
| 23:30:50 | preglow | in what way is mp3 a better base than ogg? the last point just sounds the like first point again |
| 23:31:10 | preglow | yes, mp3 is the most widespread, but for those who don't use it, the runtime estimation will be waaay off |
| 23:31:32 | amiconn | (2) would allow using any format, as long as it's the same for all measurements, with an average and widespread bitrate |
| 23:31:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should do MP3 and WAV, and use them as a range. WAV would be the lowest runtime, right? Most disk spinups? |
| 23:31:57 | preglow | yea |
| 23:32:11 | amiconn | The runtime estimation won't be way off. It would be off by a factor not deviating much from 1 |
| 23:32:30 | preglow | i'd like to see a benchmark before i'll guess too much about that |
| 23:32:36 | amiconn | Furthermore, runtime depends a lot on actual usage, most probably more than on different formats |
| 23:32:41 | preglow | i really have no idea how the other codecs perform right now |
| 23:33:23 | preglow | sure, indeed |
| 23:33:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though I think having an estimated "minimum playback time left" (assuming the user doesn't fiddle with the controls) is better than an estimation that's average or maximum. |
| 23:33:38 | preglow | but i still say basing runtime estimation on mp3 only is a bit weird |
| 23:34:27 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: then we'd have to base runtime estimation on our worst performing codec, assuming backlgiht gets switched on all the time and tracks changed a lot |
| 23:34:32 | preglow | not an easy benchmark to do |
| 23:34:51 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: That would make the user think of it as some kind of guaranteed runtime, which it isn't and will never be. |
| 23:34:59 | amiconn | It's simply impossible |
| 23:35:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
| 23:35:35 | preglow | your proposition to use mp3 benchmarks as time estimation isn't much better |
| 23:35:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking more simply use the worst-performing codec, rather than one of the best. |
| 23:35:40 | amiconn | What if the user keeps the disk spinning all the time? What if he's operating the device at -20 °C ? |
| 23:35:46 | preglow | it'll overshoot so much as to be almost unusable |
| 23:36:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not as a guaranteed minimum, but as a "Assuming you just leave it playing right now, you should *probably* get at least this much time left" |
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| 23:37:11 | amiconn | preglow: I doubt that it will overshoot much. Perhaps up to a factor of 2, but even that is unlikely |
| 23:38:08 | amiconn | And using 192kbps mp3 does certainly not yield the maximum runtime |
| 23:38:11 | dionoea | does rockbox alread have a write_bmp_file (or equivalent) function ? |
| 23:38:22 | amiconn | There are user with audiobooks and the like at 32kbps... |
| 23:38:28 | amiconn | *users |
| 23:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ooh, ooh, that's me! |
| 23:38:33 | tucoz | dionoea, the screen dump perhaps? |
| 23:38:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mono, 32kbps, 22khz if I recall. |
| 23:38:45 | dionoea | tucoz: hum ... right. thanks :) |
| 23:39:37 | preglow | amiconn: would be fun to see a benchmark at 32kbps, heh |
| 23:40:07 | XavierGr | haha |
| 23:40:12 | XavierGr | or make an idle benchmark |
| 23:40:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or Radio |
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| 23:40:35 | XavierGr | how much can rockbox run without doing anything? |
| 23:40:37 | tucoz | On devices such as the nano, what is the best option (battery wise). Wav or mp3? |
| 23:40:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Theoretically WAV I would say, right? |
| 23:41:36 | preglow | probably |
| 23:41:39 | amiconn | Radio will probably give a really long time. CPU running at 11MHz... |
| 23:41:56 | preglow | amiconn: even retailos runs for ages on radio |
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| 23:42:24 | * | amiconn never used radio in retailos |
| 23:42:32 | tucoz | yeah, the radio has save me lot's of times when I was low on battery |
| 23:42:39 | tucoz | lots |
| 23:43:09 | preglow | i've used it a couple of times |
| 23:43:16 | preglow | once i used it for hours and hours |
| 23:43:20 | preglow | had almost no impact on battery |
| 23:43:29 | XavierGr | I can imagine... |
| 23:43:50 | preglow | yeah, when i used it for the local broadcast on an airshow once |
| 23:44:10 | preglow | eight hours or so, nothing much happened on the battery indicator |
| 23:45:34 | * | amiconn still has the idea of a wakeup timer for H1x0 on his todo list |
| 23:45:46 | preglow | i'd like that too, but i don't really need it anymore |
| 23:45:48 | preglow | since i got the nano |
| 23:46:45 | tucoz | would you run it on 11Mhz then? Or even some lower frequency? |
| 23:46:55 | tucoz | s/on/at |
| 23:46:56 | amiconn | In addition to running the CPU at 11MHz (or depending on the additional requirements of the PLL, even 6.25MHz), we can put the LCD into standby, and switch off DRAM refresh, running the timer loop in IRAM only. Then set the timer interrupt from 100Hz to 1Hz |
| 23:47:25 | XavierGr | how long can it last in that mode (theoritically)? |
| 23:47:32 | tucoz | ages ;) |
| 23:47:38 | amiconn | I think a couple of days... perhaps a week |
| 23:48:04 | preglow | a week sounds plausible enough |
| 23:48:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | More than long enough, either way. |
| 23:48:10 | gpoo | how do you people use ipod in your car |
| 23:48:16 | amiconn | It really depends on what we can powerdown, and how the CPU power requirements change with frequency |
| 23:48:23 | preglow | amiconn: coldfire uses 1ma per mhz, yes? |
| 23:48:32 | amiconn | No, less |
| 23:48:35 | preglow | sure? |
| 23:48:45 | preglow | i think they stated it somewhere |
| 23:48:47 | preglow | can't remember where |
| 23:48:54 | preglow | anyway |
| 23:48:59 | preglow | i doubt the pll sucks that much |
| 23:50:25 | gpoo | what is your people choose for using rockbox in the car |
| 23:50:28 | gpoo | I need some input |
| 23:50:35 | gpoo | my car has a cassete player |
| 23:51:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then use a cassette adapter. |
| 23:51:13 | gpoo | my question was which is th ebest one |
| 23:51:15 | amiconn | I just connect one of my rockboxes to my car stereo via aux in |
| 23:51:18 | gpoo | best one, I tryed three of them |
| 23:51:29 | gpoo | and they all auto reverse |
| 23:51:30 | gpoo | a lot |
| 23:51:45 | gpoo | after like one hour of play then every min it auto reserve it annoys me |
| 23:51:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is really a question you should be asking somewhere else, since it's not really Rockbox related. |
| 23:52:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it sounds like an issue with your tape deck. |
| 23:52:18 | gpoo | how is the quality of your aux |
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| 23:52:28 | gpoo | Paul_The_Nerd do you think something can be done to my tape deck |
| 23:52:42 | gpoo | oh sorry I knw it not rockbox |
| 23:53:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would really depend on what's wrong with it. And an aux-input would sound noticeably better than a tape adapter. |
| 23:53:18 | gpoo | I want to get pionner was my final question, which is to say will rockbox work with pionner setup |
| 23:53:29 | gpoo | as to play and change songs even gapless |
| 23:54:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it uses the accessory protocol, that aspect of it won't work, and it's possible it won't work at all. If it simply uses the line out, it should work. |
| 23:54:48 | gpoo | oh it uses accessory protocol |
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