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00:10:04 | toxicfume | I saw a Matrix screensaver plugin for the ipod video for rockbox, where can i get it? |
00:10:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Official plugins are included. |
00:10:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd be much better off asking whoever showed it to you. |
00:10:39 | Mikachu | you probably saw one for ipodlinux, or i missed somethinng |
00:10:43 | dionoea | http://www.google.com/search?q=matrix+screensaver+rockbox+video |
00:11:01 | Mikachu | oh |
00:11:11 | dionoea | yeah, google is your friend :) |
00:11:12 | * | Mikachu does the i didn't say anything dance |
00:11:41 | dionoea | "A matrix screensaver-type plugin, ported from podzilla." ... so you're not completely wrong :) |
00:12:02 | preglow | rasher did it |
00:12:08 | preglow | afaik |
00:12:21 | Mikachu | matrix.c,v 1.1 2005/06/24 |
00:12:38 | Mikachu | it has some chance of not being the exact right api |
00:13:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | That date is wrong |
00:13:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The PLUGIN_HEADER thing was introduced after then, I thought. |
00:14:23 | Mikachu | haha |
00:14:26 | Mikachu | static cmatrix matrix[ROWS][COLS]; |
00:14:32 | Mikachu | /* The matrix - who'd have guessed it was just a few hundred bytes? */ |
00:14:45 | amiconn | wahbahgah |
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00:15:31 | * | amiconn got reminded by Paul_The_Nerd that he wanted to cleanup the target id mess :/ |
00:15:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Target id mess? |
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00:16:26 | Mikachu | hm, it built |
00:16:51 | toxicfume | many themes (if not all) on my ipod video have the text not properly aligned to the position of the background image (some text would appear out of where it is supposed to be), Is that a normal behaviour by default for the ipod video? |
00:17:10 | Mikachu | "Incompatible model" |
00:17:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Odds are you're not using the right font (did you download the fonts zip) or your themes require patched versions of Rockbox |
00:17:44 | amiconn | Mikachu: Forgot the PLUGIN_HEADER? |
00:18:01 | Mikachu | well, there is a PLUGIN_HEADER in there |
00:18:11 | Mikachu | but it's after #include "plugin.h" |
00:18:11 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: oh okay, no I haven't downloaded anythign other than the default rockbox and the files that were mentioned in the main installation documentation for the iPod video |
00:18:48 | Mikachu | that didn't matter though |
00:19:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: At the daily build page there's a fonts zip containing all the extra fonts available from us, many themes use them. As well many people create their themes in a way that is incompatible with the official Rockbox and requires a patched or modified build. |
00:19:06 | Mikachu | ah, 0 bytes |
00:19:36 | amiconn | Mikachu: [00:18:11] <Mikachu> but it's after #include "plugin.h" <== that's okay, and in fact won't work the other way round |
00:20:09 | Mikachu | hrm, it has an #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR at the top |
00:21:24 | Mikachu | removed that and it actually works |
00:21:31 | Mikachu | but i thought that was defined for nano |
00:21:48 | dionoea | maybe it isn't defined before the include |
00:22:00 | Mikachu | ah yes |
00:22:07 | Mikachu | plugin.h should be before that maybe |
00:22:16 | amiconn | Hahaha, of course |
00:22:21 | Mikachu | hey i just woke up :) |
00:22:29 | amiconn | How else would the #define be known? |
00:22:37 | Mikachu | makefile magic perhaps :) |
00:22:38 | dionoea | command line define ? |
00:23:19 | Mikachu | the animation isn't very interesting though |
00:23:23 | Mikachu | perhaps the nano is too small |
00:23:25 | amiconn | Hmm, possible... |
00:27:44 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: okay, I got the new fonts, but the text is still misaligned, do I have to manually select the font in Rockbox? |
00:28:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: Or reload the theme |
00:28:57 | Mikachu | hm, it initializes randomly, some columns are apparently assigned to not be drawn at all, but i can't figure out which matrix is used for that |
00:30:37 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: doesn't seem to work |
00:31:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | toxicfume: So choosing the theme again in browse themes didn't change your current font? |
00:31:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you did make sure the fonts are all in /.rockbox/fonts, and the theme itself does definitely use a different font? |
00:32:54 | toxicfume | Paul_The_Nerd: ahh, now it seems to have worked. My mistake, I was trying to load the theme from the Browse .wps files from the Display setting menu |
00:33:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | That only changes the WPS |
00:33:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not the theme. The WPS doesn't set your font. |
00:33:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | That way if you like a different font that's the same height, you can often use it instead |
00:34:05 | toxicfume | ohhh okay, now i get it |
00:34:23 | Mikachu | too bad no nano themes are made for fonts with 13 in height |
00:34:30 | toxicfume | thanks Paul_The_Nerd, now onto loading more themes! |
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00:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I like fonts with about 6 or 7 in height. ;) |
00:36:22 | Mikachu | i like 6+12x13 since it has reasonable legibility for japanese titles, which are about half my loaded music right now |
00:36:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
00:36:57 | Mikachu | and gives 8 lines in wps which is more than enough for me |
00:37:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that is plenty. I just like to have my lists as long as possible. For some reason scrolling menus irritates me. |
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00:45:52 | preglow | Mikachu: listening to jpop makes your brain melt |
00:45:58 | preglow | so lets hope you're not doing that ;) |
00:46:07 | Mikachu | ^_* |
00:48:19 | preglow | all my japanese music has english titles :/ |
00:48:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same |
00:48:45 | preglow | i do have on album with japanese titles, and those the tagger could not handle :/ |
00:49:07 | preglow | but it's not a japanese album, heh |
00:50:20 | Mikachu | easytag has not failed me yet |
00:50:45 | preglow | i guess it's freedb that failed me |
00:50:56 | preglow | and since i'm not yet adept at inputing hiragana and kanjii, i let it go |
00:51:20 | Mikachu | if i don't find it in freedb, i usually copy it from the artist's website if i bother at all |
00:51:46 | preglow | haha, i doubt the label bothered to transcribe the titles |
00:52:44 | preglow | hah |
00:52:47 | preglow | discogs does |
00:52:50 | Mikachu | japanese songtitles sometimes go a bit crazy, having actual stars in them etc |
00:53:25 | Mikachu | Bennie K - ザ★クリスマス (The Christmas).mp3 |
00:53:27 | preglow | ワイ ワイ!! (Why? Why?) (4:54) |
00:53:27 | preglow | hahaha |
00:53:36 | Mikachu | haha WAI!! |
00:54:01 | Mikachu | this one is a favorite too |
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00:54:02 | * | Mikachu is listening to うしろゆびさされ組 - のっとおんりぃ★ばっとおるそう (Not Only, But Also) (0:10 / 4:15) |
00:54:17 | preglow | i hope the rest of the titles are as serious |
00:54:31 | Mikachu | this is basically jpop from 1980 |
00:54:51 | preglow | perhaps it's listenable |
00:55:29 | Mikachu | that was fast |
00:55:38 | preglow | haha |
00:55:43 | preglow | i've never heard it, that's why |
00:55:50 | preglow | contemporary jpop makes me sob |
00:56:02 | Mikachu | DCC sent file for preglow in 00:00:02 [2497.75kB/s |
00:56:14 | preglow | バイ バイ |
00:56:16 | preglow | what's that say? |
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00:56:20 | Mikachu | bai bai |
00:56:24 | Mikachu | ie bye bye |
00:56:25 | preglow | haha, i guessed so |
00:56:39 | preglow | these song titles are probably pure gems |
00:56:46 | preglow | http://www.discogs.com/release/5689 |
00:56:46 | Mikachu | this one is notto onrii {star} batto orusou |
00:56:55 | preglow | too much kanji in them for me to decipher, though |
00:57:16 | preglow | lemme guess, you're on a uni line or something? :> |
00:57:35 | Mikachu | i was, but it's commercial now |
00:57:38 | Mikachu | it's 100mbit though |
00:57:53 | preglow | this shell account pretty much is on a uni line |
00:57:56 | preglow | i, however, am not :/ |
00:58:09 | Mikachu | it looks like those titles are partly in chinese |
00:58:19 | preglow | don't think they are |
00:58:31 | preglow | people have managed to translate them without much ado |
00:58:36 | Mikachu | okay |
00:58:43 | preglow | though the artist says they are pretty much nonsense |
00:58:51 | Mikachu | ah, yes |
00:59:03 | Mikachu | usually if it's nonsense, it means they are chinese :) |
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00:59:13 | Mikachu | or if there are more than 5 consecutive kanji |
00:59:13 | preglow | haha |
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01:01:02 | preglow | i never did pick up any kanji anyway |
01:01:09 | preglow | and whatever kana i did get i've forgotten anyway |
01:01:34 | preglow | i've discovered i pretty much need to use whatever i intend to remember :> |
01:03:22 | Mikachu | heh |
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01:07:06 | preglow | http://www.discogs.com/release/62278 |
01:07:15 | preglow | romaji there |
01:07:42 | preglow | looks pretty incomplete, though |
01:07:42 | preglow | ahah |
01:07:57 | Mikachu | that just has the () parts |
01:08:25 | preglow | apparently |
01:08:41 | Mikachu | i wonder why the strange track numbers |
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01:10:09 | preglow | it's vinyl |
01:10:18 | Mikachu | ah |
01:10:24 | preglow | it's usually done like that on vinyl |
01:10:45 | preglow | A for first side first disc, B for second side first disc, C for first side second disc |
01:10:48 | preglow | etc |
01:10:50 | Mikachu | this is where i would say i'm to young to have used vinyl, but i have almost no audio cds either :) |
01:10:59 | preglow | haha |
01:11:05 | preglow | i grew up with tapes |
01:11:10 | preglow | pretty much |
01:11:26 | Mikachu | i had some tapes too |
01:11:27 | preglow | but vinyl is something i've picked during the last seven years or so |
01:11:44 | preglow | i've got a decent bunch of both cds and vinyl |
01:13:21 | preglow | and one minidisc! |
01:13:23 | preglow | plus one tape |
01:13:26 | Mikachu | you got it all |
01:13:31 | preglow | apparently |
01:13:39 | XavierGr | 26 hours (if I remember correctly) and still playing |
01:13:43 | preglow | no 8 track, though |
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01:13:54 | XavierGr | this is my longest benchmark by far |
01:14:15 | preglow | looks like it'll be the sweetest one too |
01:14:28 | XavierGr | indeed :D |
01:14:47 | XavierGr | I guess a new wave of users will come with this |
01:15:06 | Mikachu | so where is lostlogic anyway? |
01:15:15 | XavierGr | I heard that many people wouldn't totaly use rockbox due to the battery issue |
01:15:51 | XavierGr | Mikachu: lostlogic is missing I can only see lostlogi1 here :p |
01:15:59 | XavierGr | (bad joke) |
01:16:03 | Mikachu | very |
01:16:25 | XavierGr | well at least your reaction was good! |
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01:16:57 | preglow | lostlogic got busy |
01:19:28 | Mikachu | he picked a bad time |
01:19:53 | preglow | blame summer for picking a bad time! |
01:19:58 | Mikachu | heh |
01:20:08 | Mikachu | what was the state of playback before his rework? |
01:20:24 | preglow | pretty much what it is now, i think |
01:20:30 | XavierGr | I think it was pretty much stable but daunting |
01:20:36 | preglow | with the exception of voice, which worked slightly better |
01:20:41 | XavierGr | yes |
01:20:41 | amiconn | no |
01:21:01 | amiconn | Voice definitely works way better now than it did before lostlogic's rework |
01:21:09 | preglow | oh? ok |
01:21:17 | amiconn | ..but still far from stable :/ |
01:21:59 | Mikachu | someone needs to grab the sour bullet by the horns |
01:22:08 | preglow | that's a low of work |
01:22:10 | preglow | lot too |
01:22:11 | XavierGr | what's the real bonus in this rework? I mean we gained a dev in the playback code but we lost one too. Alos AFAIK this rework hasn't got anything to do with unification |
01:22:22 | preglow | lost one? |
01:22:24 | Mikachu | yes but if no one does it rockbox will stay like this forever |
01:22:56 | XavierGr | preglow: Slasheri |
01:23:02 | preglow | we haven't lost slasheri |
01:23:12 | XavierGr | I mean in the understanding of code. |
01:23:25 | XavierGr | before the rework he pretty much knew anything on this |
01:23:32 | preglow | yes, so nothing much has changed |
01:23:48 | preglow | and what unification, btw? |
01:23:52 | preglow | between hwcodec and swcodec? |
01:23:55 | XavierGr | yes |
01:23:57 | preglow | god knows how that'll happen |
01:24:01 | preglow | probably some time in ten years |
01:24:10 | amiconn | Nah |
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01:24:26 | XavierGr | good thing is when all this work finishes it will be the same for all targets. |
01:24:29 | preglow | some people keep saying playback shouldn't be as complex as it currently is |
01:24:37 | amiconn | definitely |
01:24:40 | preglow | something i'm looking forward to seeing proved :> |
01:24:52 | amiconn | Even Linus says that |
01:25:03 | Mikachu | and he is known for liking complex things? :) |
01:25:14 | preglow | sure, i haven't got a clear enough idea of it to say anything else |
01:25:14 | amiconn | Nope, quite the contrary |
01:25:20 | preglow | i've just got a feeling it isn't that simple |
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01:25:43 | preglow | but i've heard the hardware playback code isn't the simplest thing in existence either |
01:25:44 | Mikachu | the queue stuff makes it a bit harder to follow |
01:26:03 | XavierGr | the code is so big and vast that I am bored even to scroll the whole file with page down! |
01:26:13 | Mikachu | haha |
01:26:42 | amiconn | preglow: No it's not, and I think the reason why both engines aren't the simplest things in the world is how they evolved. |
01:26:51 | preglow | sure, i agree there |
01:27:15 | preglow | the playback engine at least probably wasn't too well thought out before coding started |
01:27:28 | preglow | and stuff just got bolted on |
01:27:55 | amiconn | I think that for a unification, it will almost be easier to start building a new engine, using ideas and experience from both existing engines |
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01:28:05 | preglow | definitely |
01:28:46 | preglow | but that's a whole bunch of work |
01:28:47 | XavierGr | well at the point where the sw engine will be stable someone will have to make the unification. |
01:28:52 | amiconn | Anyway, at least some of us want to see the unification happening, and imho it shouldn't happen too late |
01:29:01 | preglow | i'd love to see it too |
01:29:02 | XavierGr | And I can't really imagine how much work it is going to be |
01:29:08 | preglow | but no way in hell i think i'll be working on it |
01:29:31 | preglow | the current one alone makes my head spin |
01:29:38 | amiconn | It's pretty much a requirement for pcm playback integration on archos |
01:30:12 | amiconn | preglow: I'm still not conviced the current swcodec complexity is necessary |
01:30:25 | preglow | sure, and i'd love to see you/someone fix it |
01:30:47 | XavierGr | gogo amiconn :P |
01:31:06 | preglow | i think i'm going to restrict myself to dsp |
01:31:08 | preglow | and codecs |
01:31:17 | preglow | or i'll never get anything done |
01:32:44 | XavierGr | BTW what is still missing for a 3.0 release except the playback issue? |
01:32:58 | preglow | langv2 fixes |
01:33:02 | XavierGr | ah yes |
01:33:41 | preglow | which, really, anyone can fix |
01:34:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | And voice issues, if you don't consider that the playback issue |
01:35:30 | amiconn | hwcodec: mp3_playback.c: 653 lines, mpeg.c: 2910 lines. Sum: 3563 lines. *That already includes the recording engine...* |
01:35:33 | amiconn | swcodec: pcm_playback.c: 736 lines, pcmbuf.c: 992 lines, playback.c: 2959 lines, dsp.c: 1131 lines, metadata.c: 1561 lines. Sum: 7379 lines. |
01:36:04 | amiconn | I've left out parts that are used in both engines, and deliberately left out codec.c since it has no comparable counterpart |
01:36:31 | preglow | sounds to me like the playback engine parts themselves are of roughly equal size |
01:36:43 | amiconn | huh? |
01:36:48 | preglow | metadata.c has no counterpart, most of dsp.c has no counterpart, pcmbuf.c has no counterpart |
01:36:57 | amiconn | I'd rather say the hwcodec engine is half the size |
01:37:00 | preglow | even pcm_playback.c has no counterpart |
01:37:11 | amiconn | of course it has |
01:37:20 | preglow | ok, but the first: no |
01:37:22 | amiconn | The counterpart for pcm_playback is mp3_playback |
01:37:49 | preglow | hwcodec has no pcm buffering concerns, no dsp, and no codecs to support metadata for (apart from mp3) |
01:37:56 | amiconn | mpeg.c is essenitally what playback.c is, *plus* the recording engine |
01:38:00 | preglow | so you shave of a couple of thousane lines and more just there |
01:38:44 | smably | is there anyone actively working on these 3.0 issues, or are we all waiting for devs who are busy with Real Life? |
01:38:55 | preglow | smably: a bit of both |
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01:39:56 | smably | hmm...more to the point, would it be worth it to start learning, say, the playback code at this point? |
01:40:09 | preglow | sure, why not? |
01:40:15 | preglow | depends what your goals are |
01:40:20 | amiconn | preglow: I'd say the bitswap on hwcodec is what pcm buffering is for swcodec |
01:40:36 | preglow | amiconn: hardly a valid comparison when you're talking line counts |
01:40:42 | amiconn | perhaps |
01:40:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | smably: It's absolutely worth learning it, because even if you don't do it in time to fix the 3.0 bugs, there is still plenty of work to be done on it overall |
01:41:19 | preglow | smably: if you've got time to dive into playback internals and fix stuff, you're sure as hell eligible for hero status around here |
01:41:28 | smably | in that case, i think i'll start digging through the code |
01:41:38 | smably | no promises, of course, but i do have quite a bit of free time this summer |
01:41:47 | preglow | we don't deal in promises anyway, heh |
01:41:50 | preglow | sounds good |
01:43:06 | petur | fyi, recording line-in (not boosted) worked for 12 hours on my h340 (original battery) |
01:43:21 | XavierGr | nice |
01:43:22 | preglow | hrm |
01:43:27 | preglow | so the hd activitiy kills it |
01:43:29 | preglow | btw |
01:43:34 | preglow | i'd really love a separate recording thread |
01:43:53 | preglow | all the hanging when recording really isn't very elegant |
01:44:19 | petur | recording is done in a separate thread ;) |
01:44:21 | preglow | everything just freezing on spiniå |
01:44:22 | preglow | spinup! |
01:44:31 | preglow | then what's up with all the hangs? |
01:44:56 | petur | you mean on disk activity? |
01:44:59 | preglow | yea |
01:45:09 | preglow | bah, of course it's another thread, i remember hacking on it... |
01:45:39 | petur | I think the peakmeter code does something in that area |
01:46:22 | preglow | anyway, why the hell am i still awake, i need to get up tomorrow |
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01:46:27 | preglow | see yall later |
01:46:33 | petur | 'night |
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03:31:44 | chendo | what the hell. |
03:31:53 | chendo | i woke up and my h340's STILL going. |
03:32:06 | ashridah | still going with what? |
03:32:14 | chendo | battery benching |
03:32:18 | ashridah | ah |
03:32:19 | chendo | 230kbit OGGs. |
03:32:36 | chendo | 14 hours with 25% left, which means ~20.7 hours. |
03:32:49 | ashridah | nice |
03:33:50 | Genre9mp3 | chendo: how many files you have on repeat? |
03:34:02 | chendo | 81mb worth |
03:34:11 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
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03:34:38 | Genre9mp3 | then very nice indeed! :) |
03:34:58 | chendo | indeed |
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03:45:53 | XavierGr | I am still waiting for my H340 to shut off... |
03:46:53 | XavierGr | 28 hours and still running!!! |
03:46:59 | Quarryman | impressive |
03:47:14 | chendo | what are you testing with? |
03:49:18 | XavierGr | 1900mah battery 160kbps mp3 |
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04:00:09 | Kronuz | hello |
04:00:25 | Kronuz | hey, I just found Rockbox :) |
04:02:05 | Kronuz | how does Rockbox work... how is it different from iPL? |
04:02:47 | XavierGr | iPL loads linux on iPod |
04:03:09 | XavierGr | Rockbox is a firmware replacement made from scratch and its main usage is music |
04:03:11 | Kronuz | and so I'm guessing Rockbox is simpler? |
04:03:16 | Kronuz | good :) |
04:03:18 | XavierGr | no |
04:03:21 | XavierGr | it is not simpler |
04:03:26 | XavierGr | it is different |
04:03:35 | Kronuz | I mean, has less stuff.. iPL is linux, right? |
04:03:47 | Kronuz | has only stuff for music players |
04:04:03 | XavierGr | well I haven't compared source lines between the projects but Rockbox is by no means simple |
04:04:42 | Kronuz | anyway... I have an iPod, I wanted to get the program but in the download page there's only Archos suff (I think) |
04:04:45 | Kronuz | or I'm cofused |
04:04:56 | Kronuz | (except for the daily builds) |
04:05:07 | Galois | you should get a daily build |
04:05:12 | XavierGr | yes |
04:05:29 | Kronuz | oh, okay, but how do I install it using windows |
04:05:35 | XavierGr | and read the installation guides |
04:05:50 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot |
04:05:59 | Kronuz | hmm |
04:06:07 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
04:06:12 | Galois | IpodInstallation is probably more useful |
04:06:27 | XavierGr | yes |
04:06:29 | Kronuz | you know what I've always wanted... to be able to dim the backlight a bit |
04:06:33 | Kronuz | (in my iPod) |
04:06:47 | XavierGr | I don't know if this is supported on iPod |
04:07:05 | Kronuz | I have th 5th gen... the backlight dims out when it goes off |
04:07:09 | Galois | it's not, but your chances of hacking it in are a lot better on rockbox than on the retail firmware |
04:07:13 | Kronuz | so I figure it should be possible |
04:07:19 | crashd | Kronuz: nope, that's a trick |
04:07:24 | Kronuz | oh :( |
04:07:24 | crashd | the actual backlight is either on or off |
04:07:39 | Kronuz | on it's too bright, off it's too dark |
04:07:41 | Galois | you could trick it into pulsating |
04:07:56 | crashd | Galois: yeah, cos that wouldnt hurt your eyes/sap battery ;) |
04:08:19 | Kronuz | would that make the batteries go dead sooner (pulsationes)? |
04:08:33 | Galois | I don't think it would be any worse than continuous backlight |
04:08:45 | Kronuz | :( |
04:08:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's really pulsing the voltage isn't it, rather than the light itself? If I understand correctly. |
04:08:54 | Kronuz | continuous backlight it's already VERY bad :( |
04:09:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: It's necessary to boost the processor to display the backlight at anything either than full or off, so actually it would decrease battery life a bit more than having it just on, if I understand how it works correctly. |
04:09:45 | Kronuz | that's what I thought :( |
04:09:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, it's just that the backlight would drain more power while it's on. |
04:10:21 | Kronuz | we would have to experiment, I guess |
04:10:46 | Kronuz | I'm a programmer... (with little time, but a programmer) I'll try to get into Rockbox sourcecode :) |
04:11:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think there's a backlight dimming patch in the tracker already that you can test. |
04:11:27 | Kronuz | I have this question too... if I install the firmware, I'll be able to still use the original one? |
04:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure if it's for iPods though, so it may need adapted if it's not. |
04:11:59 | Kronuz | (as I've read rockbox hasn't video playback support) |
04:12:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox's bootloader allows dual booting. |
04:12:34 | Kronuz | is it put in the firmware or on the HDD? |
04:13:03 | Galois | on the ipod, rockbox lives 100% on the storage drive |
04:13:12 | Kronuz | oh |
04:13:23 | Kronuz | wouldn't that drain the battery |
04:13:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really |
04:13:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's loaded into RAM and stays there |
04:13:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's how the Apple firmware works too actually |
04:13:41 | Kronuz | (I'm battery freak as you might have noticed) :P |
04:13:44 | Galois | I mean, as far as persistent storage works |
04:14:07 | Kronuz | (but it's just 'cause it goes dead very quick) |
04:14:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Apple firmware is loaded from a hidden partition. We inject our bootloader there, and it redirects and loads ours off of the FAT32 partition, making it easier to update. |
04:14:12 | Galois | rockbox is not great on battery right now, if that's your highest priority then look elsewhere or give people a few months to work on it |
04:14:28 | Kronuz | okay, got the latest firmware and there are a bunch of files in the zip |
04:14:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox's battery life is probably about half that of the stock iPod firmware at the moment. |
04:14:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
04:15:22 | Kronuz | Galois: elsewhere like where ? :P |
04:15:39 | Kronuz | I'm guessing iPL is worse on that area |
04:15:49 | Galois | other devices, for example |
04:15:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPL is certainly worse in playback features. |
04:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now on the Archos and iRiver players that Rockbox supports, it gets better battery life than the retail firmware. |
04:16:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hopefully we'll be able to achieve that on iPods too in time. |
04:16:34 | Kronuz | besides, Galois, I'm a programmer, I can try improving rockbox in that area ;) |
04:16:54 | Kronuz | (don't scare me away) |
04:16:56 | Kronuz | j/k |
04:17:12 | Kronuz | really, rockbox seems great |
04:17:22 | Kronuz | it has many features I wanted to have like crossfade |
04:18:23 | Kronuz | does the source code compiles with what compiler? |
04:18:30 | Kronuz | I mean it's not x86 :P |
04:18:48 | crashd | you need to setup a toolchain |
04:19:01 | crashd | checkout the compiling wikipage |
04:19:05 | Kronuz | I'll get into that later :) |
04:19:06 | XavierGr | get the vmware developer enviroment |
04:19:12 | XavierGr | or install cygwin |
04:19:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: The iPods have ARM7 cores. |
04:19:15 | Kronuz | I can't wait to get it going :) |
04:19:19 | XavierGr | bith can be foudn on the wiki |
04:19:22 | XavierGr | bith |
04:19:25 | XavierGr | ah both |
04:19:28 | Kronuz | lol |
04:19:35 | XavierGr | hehe |
04:20:22 | Kronuz | it's like one of those times you want something to be done so bad you can't even read the instructions straight |
04:21:01 | Kronuz | (and you start getting dizy with all the excitement) |
04:21:07 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
04:21:41 | Kronuz | and som many questions too!! :P |
04:21:55 | Kronuz | will my current collection work with rockbox? |
04:22:03 | Kronuz | can I still use iTunes? |
04:22:22 | XavierGr | hmm it depends |
04:22:22 | Kronuz | what skins does it come with? |
04:22:25 | Kronuz | :P |
04:22:30 | XavierGr | no DRM music with Rockbox |
04:22:51 | XavierGr | you can use itunes, I think, but you can't use its database |
04:23:06 | Kronuz | DRM music? |
04:23:08 | Kronuz | what's that? |
04:23:09 | XavierGr | skins is the high point of rockboc |
04:23:13 | XavierGr | rockbox |
04:23:23 | Galois | you can build a parallel database in rockbox and access your existing music that way |
04:23:27 | XavierGr | you can have a complete configurable while playing screen |
04:23:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: You can't use any music purchased from iTunes, but you can use music you ripped yourself then synced with iTunes. |
04:23:41 | Galois | DRM music is copy-restricted stuff that you buy from iTunes Music Store |
04:23:47 | Kronuz | that's okay, I don't get DRM music |
04:23:54 | Kronuz | (that's what I meant ^_^) |
04:24:22 | Kronuz | is the botloader the same? I mean, it's not updated often, like the daily firmware |
04:24:40 | Galois | the bootloader probably never needs to be updated |
04:24:49 | Kronuz | oh, good :) |
04:24:54 | Kronuz | I'm on the right path then |
04:27:01 | Kronuz | ... reading partition now :) |
04:28:13 | Kronuz | ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 3 bootpartition.bin |
04:28:17 | Kronuz | oops |
04:28:19 | Kronuz | wrong window :P |
04:28:54 | Kronuz | hmm... I suppose it was -e 0 not -e 3 |
04:30:52 | Kronuz | okay... about to install the bootloader :S |
04:31:22 | Kronuz | if something goes wrong, where's the original firmware? |
04:31:50 | Kronuz | it's apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin, right... but how do I make an appleboot.bin? |
04:32:01 | XavierGr | Kronuz: Don't worry even if you manage to do something wrong you can't brick it |
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04:32:13 | Kronuz | thanks :) |
04:33:00 | Kronuz | hmm interesting |
04:33:04 | Kronuz | it's doing something |
04:34:01 | chendo | bleh |
04:34:11 | chendo | i still get hardcore screen corruption when the HD is spinning on my H230 |
04:34:13 | chendo | 340* |
04:34:42 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
04:39:34 | Kronuz | hmm |
04:39:40 | Kronuz | it's like a folder browser |
04:40:00 | Kronuz | it was really easy to get into te iPod :) |
04:40:09 | XavierGr | you managed to boot into rockbox? |
04:40:17 | Kronuz | yep a few minutes ago |
04:40:23 | XavierGr | then enjoy :P |
04:40:27 | Kronuz | lol |
04:40:30 | Kronuz | can't find music |
04:40:39 | Kronuz | it''s on the iPod database format |
04:40:49 | Kronuz | can't Rockbox read that? |
04:40:53 | Galois | the normal way to put music into rockbox is to copy the mp3 into one of the folders |
04:40:59 | Galois | any one except iPod_control |
04:41:34 | Galois | the stuff that you uploaded with iTunes is in its own special folder with mangled filenames |
04:41:34 | Kronuz | but then I won't be able to use the other firmware to listen to music, will I? |
04:41:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Read the TagCache wiki page |
04:41:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll scan the files that iTunes copied onto your player, and create a database for Rockbox to use. |
04:42:04 | Kronuz | lol, it's all in the FAQ |
04:42:11 | * | Paul_The_Nerd knows. |
04:42:15 | Galois | if necessary, you can use the tagcache feature in rockbox to browse your music files via the database instead of via folders |
04:42:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wrote a large portion of that FAQ |
04:42:21 | Kronuz | :) |
04:42:27 | Kronuz | thanks for that Paul :) |
04:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ideally though, there's no reason to use the Apple firmware for music. |
04:42:40 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 |
04:42:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But at the moment it does still beat us in battery life, and AAC support |
04:42:44 | Kronuz | just worming up with rockbox ;) |
04:42:52 | Galois | some of us have never used the apple firmware to play music, so we do not have these problems |
04:42:53 | Kronuz | and video |
04:43:14 | Kronuz | it doesn't have video support right? |
04:43:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Looks excellent |
04:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Yeah, no video, but video support has nothing to do with having the Apple firmware being able to see your *songs* ;) |
04:43:46 | Kronuz | hehe |
04:43:48 | Genre9mp3 | Let's hope it's clear enough... |
04:45:17 | chendo | any ideas on my screen corruption problem? |
04:45:39 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: The stop on H100 remote goes one level up too. |
04:45:58 | XavierGr | but I guess that the H300 remote has a joystick so it should be changed |
04:46:52 | Kronuz | the HDD seems to be spining a lot ... that must be the issue with the battery for iPods using Rockbox, right? |
04:47:22 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Where? Menus or File Browser? |
04:47:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: It makes enough sense to me that I'd expect anyone doing the programming should be able to either work it out, or be intelligent enough to actually ask questions. ;) |
04:47:56 | Kronuz | but, really, tell me which one is better, Rockbox or iPodLinux? |
04:48:02 | Galois | rockbox |
04:48:05 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: both |
04:48:05 | Kronuz | j/k |
04:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Define "better" and we'll tell you which on is it. |
04:48:06 | Kronuz | lol |
04:48:25 | Kronuz | just having fun with the FAQ |
04:48:26 | Galois | better means which IRC channel you ask the question on, duh |
04:48:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for the HD spinning thing, Rockbox actually reads your drive instead of a database, so it has to spin up to see the contents of the disk. You can use Dircache to database the filenames and remove this spinup. |
04:48:48 | Kronuz | I honestly would go for the Rockbox |
04:49:00 | Kronuz | as it's a project designed for music players |
04:49:13 | Kronuz | the other one seems of a more general purpose |
04:49:17 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: In the main unit Stop goes up a level only in menus |
04:49:30 | Genre9mp3 | in the file browser it just stops the music |
04:49:48 | XavierGr | yes |
04:49:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: That's the general consensus. If you bought an iPod to listen to music, then you probably want Rockbox. If you suddenly have this driving urge to own a very fashionable but minimally functional PDA, try iPodLinux |
04:50:02 | XavierGr | but the H100 remote goes up 1 level on both |
04:50:21 | XavierGr | because there is no joystick |
04:50:26 | Genre9mp3 | So since the button configuration in the H300 LCD remote is the same with the unit...I think it should do the same as well |
04:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should |
04:50:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | The H100 remote has constraints because it lacks the similarity to the controls, but the H300 has the exact same set of buttons as the main unit, right? |
04:51:02 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: yes, I agree I am hust refering to it |
04:51:08 | XavierGr | ^just |
04:51:20 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: right |
04:51:33 | XavierGr | Paul_The_Nerd: Interestingly though, the H100 remote has more buttons that the main unit. |
04:51:37 | XavierGr | ^than |
04:51:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: I had noticed that |
04:51:56 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: The H300 remote, too |
04:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The +10/-10 right? |
04:52:09 | Genre9mp3 | It has the +10/-10 buttons |
04:52:15 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sooooo called it. |
04:52:32 | Kronuz | how do I know it the TagCache has finished? |
04:52:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It stops reading the disk |
04:52:49 | Kronuz | and... how can I know that? |
04:52:54 | Kronuz | just the vibrations? |
04:52:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's an icon near the clock in the top right corner that flashes. |
04:53:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, yes, the vibrations. |
04:53:02 | Genre9mp3 | +10/-10 surprisingly work fine on the H300 LCD Remote |
04:54:20 | Kronuz | "good vibrations"? |
04:54:24 | Kronuz | anyway... |
04:54:40 | Kronuz | it's done, how do I find TagCache player to start playing stuff? |
04:54:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Read the rest of the TagCache wiki page. |
04:54:54 | Genre9mp3 | Anyway...it's almost 6.00AM I should go to sleep :) |
04:55:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It *should* tell you everything |
04:55:12 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Why we do that to ourselves? :) |
04:55:13 | Kronuz | nigt Genre9mp3 |
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04:56:16 | XavierGr | I am still waiting my H340 too turn off |
04:56:23 | XavierGr | That's why I still up |
04:56:24 | earHertz | anyone want to do some alpha testing for me on an ipod video? |
04:56:26 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
04:56:31 | XavierGr | 29 hours of playback! :D |
04:56:38 | XavierGr | and still going... |
04:56:40 | Genre9mp3 | great... |
04:56:44 | XavierGr | "keep walking..." |
04:56:49 | Genre9mp3 | heh |
04:57:11 | XavierGr | anyway good night for you. |
04:57:29 | Genre9mp3 | Hope for you to surpass 30 hours |
04:57:39 | Genre9mp3 | goodnight |
04:57:42 | XavierGr | I will wake you up if it will |
04:57:53 | Genre9mp3 | No you wont! |
04:57:55 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
04:57:56 | XavierGr | hehe |
04:58:01 | Genre9mp3 | bye |
04:58:03 | XavierGr | bye |
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05:02:06 | Kronuz | Rockamp-classic.zip |
05:02:07 | Kronuz | lol |
05:02:12 | Kronuz | I love it :) |
05:04:10 | Kronuz | how can I boot to the original firmware? |
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05:04:43 | Galois | this is certainly in the FAQ too. Press and hold menu while you're turning the thing on. |
05:04:51 | Kronuz | :P |
05:04:56 | Kronuz | thanks Galois :) |
05:12:26 | midkay | earHertz, what? :) |
05:12:45 | earHertz | I have a scroll wheel speed/acceleration mod |
05:12:57 | earHertz | it doesm't work great, but it workls ok |
05:13:09 | midkay | i wouldn't mind trying it, no.. |
05:13:28 | earHertz | can you hang on a sec? |
05:13:33 | midkay | surely. |
05:14:20 | earHertz | I should warn you it's only for the 60GB video. Is that what you have? |
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05:24:08 | Kronuz | hey, font seems too small... how can I change the font size? |
05:24:59 | midkay | earHertz, sorry - yes. |
05:25:10 | chendo | 19 hours and estimated 2.5 hours left playing 230bit oggs with 2200mAh battery |
05:25:25 | Kronuz | o_O |
05:25:41 | midkay | Kronuz, 'browse fonts'? |
05:25:41 | Kronuz | chendo: how do you get those estimations? |
05:25:51 | chendo | debug menu-> battery, press up 3 times |
05:25:53 | earHertz | midkay: no prob, I had time to remove thej worst screwups to the screen. I shoulsd tell you however, it still fucks up the screen a bit. |
05:26:08 | midkay | no prob, let's see how it works. :) |
05:26:09 | Kronuz | midkay: but nothing happens... does it come with fonts by default or do I have to get them? |
05:26:26 | midkay | Kronuz, ah, you need to go to the daily builds page and install the fonts zip. |
05:26:34 | Kronuz | chendo: how accurate is that estimated? |
05:26:39 | midkay | all the fonts should be in /.rockbox/fonts after unzipping. |
05:26:48 | Kronuz | oh, ok :) |
05:27:09 | Kronuz | do the fonts have to match the build version? |
05:27:44 | midkay | no.. they rarely change. |
05:27:51 | Kronuz | :) |
05:27:51 | chendo | Kronuz, no clue, but it's actually a bit lower than it is now.. |
05:28:08 | chendo | like originally it reported 15 hours on a full charge but it's been running for 19 hours and has 17% left |
05:28:24 | Kronuz | hmm |
05:28:29 | earHertz | midkay: http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/rockbox.zip |
05:28:39 | Kronuz | chendo: what player do you use? |
05:28:58 | chendo | h300 |
05:32:13 | midkay | earHertz, i see it's reporting the accel level, but it doesn't do anything, does it? |
05:32:18 | midkay | doesn't seem to move any faster. |
05:32:24 | earHertz | midkay, right |
05:32:33 | midkay | ah, no wonder. cool though. :) |
05:32:47 | earHertz | actually, the scrolling is somewhat more sensistivre, but no acceleration happens |
05:33:09 | midkay | yeah, it does seem a bit more sensitive.. |
05:37:30 | earHertz | Yes, that's not actually necessary to the acceleation |
05:38:02 | earHertz | But it helps, I think. The standard is a little too "stiff" |
05:38:29 | midkay | hm. |
05:38:48 | midkay | accelleration is necessary i think. this is nice because it's a bit faster, but i think it'd be harder to select a particular file from a list. |
05:39:03 | midkay | this speed to get where you want to go, the standard speed for selecting what you want to select when it's visible.. |
05:39:14 | XavierGr | chendo: you will get way more than the estimation. |
05:39:16 | earHertz | yeah, that's the idea |
05:39:33 | earHertz | hwen you get close to where you want to be, you should move your finger slower |
05:39:44 | XavierGr | mine said 3 hours ETA, 7 hours ago. |
05:39:57 | XavierGr | the ETA needs to be calibrated with latest optimizations |
05:41:13 | earHertz | midkay: teh problem is, it's very difficult to keep the accel constamt. Tryu to keep it at accel 1 and see what happens |
05:41:13 | chendo | XavierGr, yeah... |
05:41:47 | chendo | how about you do something like the thing in KDE where you select how many pixels the cursor will travel before applying accelleration? |
05:42:02 | chendo | like, 5 menu entries before applying acceleration |
05:42:29 | earHertz | chendo: Eventuially I'm going to add seleting accel by where teh finger touches down, and by how many times you tap before scrolling |
05:42:39 | earHertz | actually, I already wrote a version of teh first one |
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05:43:12 | earHertz | chendo: oh that/ I don't like that |
05:43:42 | Kronuz | I'm starting to like Rockbox A LOT! |
05:43:44 | midkay | earHertz, yeah, i noticed.. |
05:45:30 | earHertz | midkay: ok, now try scrollling fast very close to the hub, and again very close ro the outer margin. |
05:46:06 | midkay | somewhat of a difference, but not that bad.. |
05:46:07 | earHertz | Since it's a disk, the closer you are to the hub, the faster you go. and as you move aroufnfd the circle, your thunmb will describe an elipse not a circle. |
05:46:09 | Kronuz | can Rockbox be compiled with mingw? |
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05:46:23 | midkay | earHertz, yeah, but not that big of a deal.. |
05:46:25 | earHertz | Kronuz: no |
05:46:40 | earHertz | midkay: I've been trying to solve that teh last three days! |
05:46:53 | midkay | solve what? |
05:46:58 | earHertz | I've verified that the numbers are right −− it's not the code, it's the actual numbers |
05:47:04 | earHertz | teh non-constancy |
05:47:07 | * | Paul_The_Nerd finally removes the reference to Rockbox.bat from the SimpleGuideToCompiling. |
05:47:12 | Kronuz | mingw compilation, of course :P |
05:47:16 | midkay | er.. :) |
05:47:57 | earHertz | Kronuz: you wat cygwin. except it's way too slow. install the virtual linux using teh free vmwafre |
05:48:28 | Kronuz | I totally dislike cygwin :( |
05:48:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | In theory one could compile with Mingw |
05:48:34 | Kronuz | why doesn't it work with mingw? |
05:48:51 | Kronuz | it should be possible |
05:48:57 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: can it complile the cross compilers? |
05:49:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: There's no real reason I can think of that it shouldn't be able to. |
05:49:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'll admit, I may not know enough to make that call |
05:49:26 | earHertz | Kronuz: myabe I was to hasty |
05:49:28 | earHertz | too |
05:50:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: The main reason is that both Cygwin and Mingw have their nice little quirks, and nobody's gone through with Mingw recently and tried to either resolve them, or determine whether it's possible or not. |
05:50:20 | Kronuz | do I need extra libraries? |
05:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would recommend just trying to follow the CrossCompiler wiki page, and seeing if you can do that. |
05:51:03 | Kronuz | I will |
05:51:19 | Kronuz | but I was wondering about external libreries (to start getting them if I have to) |
05:53:23 | earHertz | Ok, a 30GB version is also available |
05:53:35 | earHertz | http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/rockbox.32.zip |
05:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
05:54:03 | earHertz | Kronuz: get teh vm. really. it compiles much faster |
05:54:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Technically you only need the 32mb version, since it'll run on 60gb units, and just leave half the ram unused. |
05:54:11 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: yes. |
05:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | But since you've got both, that's good too |
05:54:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Your best bet is to read the Cygwin installation instructions, and make your judgement based on the packages that are listed as "required" for Rockbox development |
05:56:17 | XavierGr | well it finally died |
05:56:25 | XavierGr | now, lets see how it went |
05:56:40 | Kronuz | arm-elf-gcc...? |
05:56:43 | Kronuz | what's that? |
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05:57:06 | XavierGr | ladies and gentlement we have a new record!!! |
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05:57:34 | XavierGr | H340 with 1900mah battery playing 128kbps mp3s: |
05:57:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: GCC compiled as an arm-elf crosscompiler. |
05:57:45 | XavierGr | 30 hours and 20 minutes!!!!! |
05:57:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | arm-elf-gcc, sh1-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc are all explained on the CrossCompiler wiki page. |
05:58:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well as their respective binutils and gdb |
05:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Quite impressive |
05:58:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: And that's only a 1900? |
05:58:30 | XavierGr | yes, isn't this great? |
05:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's quite impressive, yes |
05:59:12 | XavierGr | I can now rest in piece knowing that I can have the most out of my DAP... |
05:59:19 | XavierGr | ^peace |
06:00 |
06:00:08 | XavierGr | wow 2171 measurements |
06:00:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's kinda sad that on players where they actually use the battery life as a selling point, the battery life can still be improved a good bit. |
06:01:30 | chendo | 19 hours 25min so far on 230kbit OGGs |
06:01:34 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: i'd be inclined to suspect they do it for the usability issue where they want to be able to power it on long enough to show a 'low battery' warning when it's low. |
06:01:47 | chendo | 19hr35min* |
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06:01:58 | chendo | ETA 2hr25min to go, but the ETA's way to short |
06:02:02 | XavierGr | chendo: if this turn out lower than mine, you should make another one with mp3s to break my record! |
06:02:09 | chendo | maybe |
06:02:14 | chendo | if i have any 128kbit mp3s ;p |
06:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: I think 4 hours of battery life difference is more than "Just long enough to show a low battery warning" |
06:02:48 | Kronuz | for some reason I can't see the TagCache anymore :( |
06:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: How do you mean "can't see it"? |
06:03:16 | Kronuz | well it was working fine |
06:03:24 | XavierGr | chendo: I tried with 160kbps but it will be nearly the same for both 128 and 192 |
06:03:55 | chendo | well, i'll try that |
06:04:18 | Kronuz | but then I installed a skin (jBlackGlass, for which I had to get a new binary) ... now I can't see the list of songs |
06:04:36 | XavierGr | hmm paste bin can't take the whole file |
06:05:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Can't see as in "I can't read it because of the background" or can't see as in "It shows the filetree" or can't see as in "It tells me TagCache isn't initialized"? |
06:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: It's really hard to be helpful when you use vague statements, and can't see usually implies a problem with either the eyes or the backlight, rather than the software. |
06:05:47 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: can't see it as is there's nothing if I'm not in the menu |
06:06:00 | Kronuz | like I can only see the background |
06:06:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the "File View" is still set to ID3 ? |
06:06:15 | Kronuz | yep |
06:06:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | You checked? |
06:06:28 | Kronuz | sure I did :P |
06:06:33 | Kronuz | if I set it to All I can see the files |
06:06:48 | Kronuz | but if I set it to ID3 nothing shows |
06:06:54 | Kronuz | it was working before the skin |
06:07:04 | Kronuz | (it's a pretty nice skin btw) |
06:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you installed the patched build to use the skin, right? |
06:07:10 | Kronuz | yep |
06:07:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you rebuild the database with the patched build? |
06:07:20 | Kronuz | yes, I tried that too |
06:07:36 | Kronuz | (first I thought that was the problem, but nope, still doesn't work) |
06:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you delete the old tagcache data files? |
06:07:51 | Kronuz | O_O |
06:07:53 | Kronuz | <_< |
06:07:55 | Kronuz | >_> |
06:07:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | All the .tcd files |
06:08:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | And do NOT deleted tagnavi.config. |
06:08:04 | Kronuz | do I have to? |
06:08:10 | Kronuz | :P |
06:08:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dunno |
06:08:17 | Kronuz | can I delete files from the ipod? |
06:08:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
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06:08:24 | Kronuz | or do I have to connect? |
06:08:25 | Kronuz | oh |
06:08:26 | Kronuz | :) |
06:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Click and hold "Select" on a file, and choose "Delete" |
06:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're in the .rockbox folder |
06:08:47 | Kronuz | I'm starting to like Rockbox even more !! |
06:08:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | As a note, if this doesn't work, you're gonna have to take it up on the thread discussing that build, as it's more likely an issue with the build by that point. |
06:09:56 | XavierGr | so it seems that H300 has 1300mah battery and not 1400mah |
06:10:26 | XavierGr | doing the calculations 1300 seems to be more close. |
06:12:30 | Kronuz | okay updating again |
06:12:38 | Kronuz | that was slow (deleting all those files) |
06:12:53 | Kronuz | you know I think they should havew their own folder |
06:12:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has been suggested that there be a "select mode" for selecting multiple files. |
06:13:03 | Kronuz | so that one could thelete the whole folder at once :P |
06:13:13 | Kronuz | or that too :P |
06:13:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really when things are working there should never be a need to delete them |
06:13:20 | Kronuz | yeah |
06:13:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's mainly your fault for switching to a patched build. |
06:13:25 | Kronuz | :P |
06:13:37 | Kronuz | well the skin is so much nicer :P |
06:14:04 | Kronuz | :( |
06:14:07 | Kronuz | still nothing |
06:14:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just eyecandy. |
06:14:19 | Kronuz | it is :) |
06:14:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, go ask on the skin's thread if others are having that problem then |
06:14:33 | Kronuz | but TagCache doesn't work :( |
06:14:46 | Kronuz | I might try to fix it myself |
06:14:52 | Kronuz | once I can get it to compile |
06:15:19 | Kronuz | probably I'll ask ... |
06:15:20 | Kronuz | :P |
06:17:29 | Kronuz | how do you switch from the files list to the play mode and back? |
06:17:38 | Kronuz | I'm having a hard time figuring this out :P |
06:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | "play mode'? |
06:17:50 | Kronuz | well where you play MP3 |
06:17:52 | Kronuz | files |
06:17:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You mean the "While Playing Screen"? |
06:18:01 | Kronuz | you know |
06:18:01 | Kronuz | yea |
06:18:02 | Kronuz | :) |
06:18:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | You see that when music is playing. |
06:18:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know what you mean by "switch to it" |
06:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can go back to it if you leave it while music is playing. If you're at the filetree, tap Play |
06:18:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're in the menus, just back all the way out. |
06:19:00 | Kronuz | from/to menus is always easy :P |
06:19:18 | Kronuz | but from the list of files to the "Now Playing" it's funny |
06:19:23 | Kronuz | (tricky) |
06:19:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I don't think "Tap play" is that tricky |
06:20:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually, the confusion is people think they should be able to back their way up to it from the file view as well, but there are a variety of reasons while that's the case, starting with "The filetree is the base of Rockbox, not the WPS" and all the way to "It makes it vastly easier for blind users to use, and they've told us they agree" |
06:22:10 | Kronuz | once I'm in the WPS how do I go to the files? |
06:22:26 | Kronuz | oh :P |
06:22:35 | Kronuz | I think I found it |
06:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tap Select. |
06:22:46 | Kronuz | yeah :) |
06:22:51 | Kronuz | that was easy :P |
06:23:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Select is basically the only button in the WPS that doesn't do what the actual label on it says, but since it doesn't have one that's okay |
06:24:20 | Kronuz | hmm... funny... while on the files, browsing the files, the sound stops (it starts again after I stop navigating) |
06:24:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | While scrolling, you mean? |
06:24:44 | Kronuz | yep |
06:24:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Known bug. |
06:24:50 | Kronuz | I see |
06:24:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Interrupt based driver. |
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06:26:42 | Kronuz | I found a "feature"... when I navigate to the wps folder and select one wps file, the skin of the wps changes (I think I used the "wps" name one too many times :P) |
06:27:01 | Kronuz | but the skin of the file navigator remains the same |
06:27:46 | Kronuz | I think I'm just confused :P |
06:28:08 | Kronuz | yes, nevermind what I said it was stupid :P |
06:28:12 | Kronuz | hehe |
06:30:10 | Kronuz | if it wasn't for the lack of video player and the non working ID3 TagCache the Rockbox in my iPod would be perfect :P |
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06:31:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The battery life has some room for improvement too. |
06:31:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | And codec optimization so you can actually use the equalizer without skips. |
06:31:21 | midkay | non-working ID3 tagcache? hm? |
06:31:36 | Kronuz | video will be an option for future versions of rockbox? |
06:31:47 | Kronuz | midkay: yeah, it's not working here :( |
06:31:53 | midkay | weirdish!! |
06:31:57 | Kronuz | it is |
06:32:08 | Kronuz | it was working before I installed a patched binary |
06:32:17 | midkay | ah.. |
06:32:20 | midkay | afk a bit. |
06:34:36 | Kronuz | from the file navigator (how do you call it?) it never goes back to the wps by default? |
06:34:44 | Kronuz | (after a while) |
06:34:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
06:35:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
06:35:43 | XavierGr | ok time to rest |
06:35:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | The file navigator is the main screen. |
06:35:54 | XavierGr | it's 7.35 in the morning here |
06:36:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be kinda strange for it to jump to a non-main screen after a given period of time, but mainly, nobody's bothered to create an option for that yet. |
06:36:12 | Kronuz | XavierGr: okay g'night (or shall I say good day? :) |
06:36:13 | XavierGr | the damn dap took my whole night sleep. |
06:36:29 | XavierGr | I will probably sleep until midday. |
06:36:30 | Kronuz | dap? |
06:36:36 | XavierGr | lucky me it is Sunday |
06:36:40 | XavierGr | digital audio player |
06:36:44 | Kronuz | lol :P |
06:36:52 | XavierGr | bye all! |
06:36:57 | XavierGr | and good day/night |
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06:37:22 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: I can't wait to start programming for it :) |
06:37:29 | Kronuz | (for rockbox, that is) |
06:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
06:37:46 | Kronuz | hey, Paul, are you an "official" developer? |
06:38:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on your definition of Developer |
06:38:36 | Kronuz | well, an active programmer with cvs access |
06:38:52 | Kronuz | how is this project with their new-commers (policies about cvs access)? |
06:39:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't write code for Rockbox (although there's maybe 3 lines of my code in it, somewhere). I don't have CVS access. But, I'm generally considered a member of the project. |
06:39:39 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: is an important part of thre project. |
06:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Generally CVS access is given once they've seen some of what you've written, in terms of patches etc, and know that you have a good idea what is and is not acceptable. Y'know, you have common sense. |
06:39:48 | Kronuz | I haven't tried iPL.. but rockbox seems so great, I might never try it :P |
06:39:59 | earHertz | He's the guy we blame when things go erong |
06:40:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm perfect for being blamed. :) |
06:40:27 | Kronuz | lol |
06:40:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mainly, I deal with the users. |
06:40:47 | earHertz | he "deals" with them |
06:40:50 | Kronuz | that's cool :) |
06:40:59 | Kronuz | developers come around here often? |
06:41:02 | earHertz | Like Tony soprano deals with rats |
06:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
06:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are several devs in the room right now, though odds are decent they're sleeping |
06:41:29 | Kronuz | I'm also a programmer in the DOSBox project, but they have very restrictive policies about cvs access |
06:42:50 | Kronuz | VERY restrictive (like only three or four have access) |
06:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, it's not by any means close to that restrictive. |
06:43:40 | Kronuz | I've always thought cvs should be for teams... some projects only have one developer with access |
06:43:41 | ashridah | about the only restriction is that there's no anonymity for patches |
06:43:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
06:43:49 | ashridah | and of course, GPL licensed |
06:43:49 | Kronuz | those are the "VERY VERY restrictive" |
06:43:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have to be willing to accept having your Real Name in the Credits file. |
06:44:42 | ashridah | Kronuz: i use CVS for my own private work at uni, simply because it gives me an audit trail, and a fantastic way to work out where a bug started happening |
06:45:13 | Kronuz | that's okay by me... in fact I would have wanted to have my name somewhere in DOSBox (even their website) for the improvementes I've made :P |
06:46:18 | Kronuz | ashridah: private work, you said so yourself :P there are projects with tenths working on them nd just a couple developers with cvs access |
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06:46:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: One way to recognized devs in here is that most of them have a rockbox/developer/nickname hostmask |
06:47:44 | Kronuz | as in? |
06:48:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you see people enter the room, you see them often being blah@ip_address_or_host and devs will have rockbox/developer/blah instead, simply |
06:48:48 | Kronuz | oh |
06:49:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll also showup in their whois info, of course. |
06:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or you can just ask "Any devs around?" and see if any speak up. |
06:50:53 | Kronuz | one reason for the automatic go-back-to-wps is volume |
06:51:04 | Kronuz | you can't change the volume while navigating the files |
06:51:28 | Kronuz | and if you leave it there... well, you can't set the volume afterwards (as easily) |
06:52:07 | Kronuz | how can I set the bootloader to go to the original firmware by default? |
06:52:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Recompile it with a few changes. |
06:52:23 | Kronuz | oh |
06:52:24 | Kronuz | :P |
06:52:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you really watch videos more than you listen to music? |
06:52:31 | Kronuz | I thought there was an option |
06:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
06:52:54 | Kronuz | well.. the battery is the thing taking me to the original firmware more than anything |
06:53:49 | Kronuz | but there are some other things... sound skipping when I navigate... volume not easily accessible after you leave in the file navigator... ID3 not working... |
06:54:00 | Kronuz | and until I have the chance to fix this or someone has... :P |
06:54:17 | Kronuz | I'll work on compiling Rockbox, I truly want to help :) |
06:54:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for one, you don't *have* to leave it in the file browser. |
06:54:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | One tap of play and it's not there any more |
06:54:58 | Kronuz | yeah, I know... but still, I'm probably too used to the apple's way |
06:55:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
06:55:52 | Kronuz | it can become so much better than it already is ... I'd put those two things as options, for instance (boot firmware and auto-wps) |
06:55:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not a hard change to the bootloader |
06:56:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact I think it's merely change a == to a != |
06:56:15 | Kronuz | it's not if you can compile it ^_^ |
06:56:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no reason for Boot Firmware to be an option |
06:56:24 | Kronuz | yeah, probably not |
06:56:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | The whole purpose of Rockbox is to be a primary firmware. |
06:56:40 | Kronuz | once it's working 100% rockbox would be primary firmware |
06:56:54 | Kronuz | I want to help :) |
06:57:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | And for now, Rockbox isn't for users, so putting in user-friendly temporary options is kinda pointless. ;) |
06:57:12 | Kronuz | video is an issue? or it's just not implemented? |
06:57:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Rockbox-on-ipod |
06:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Video is a difficult one |
06:57:33 | Kronuz | hmm |
06:57:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod 5G has an additional chip, the broadcom one, and it needs some reverse engineering so someone can actually know how to use it. |
06:57:44 | Kronuz | doesn't iPL handle video? |
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06:58:16 | Kronuz | I guess not.. after what you've just said |
06:58:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | iPL plays uncompressed video only |
06:58:28 | Kronuz | oh |
06:58:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't use the broadcom chip at all for that. |
06:58:43 | Kronuz | would be nice to have video tho' |
06:58:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, it can play videos on the Nano as well, but of course the filesize is huge |
06:59:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, they *are* Audio Players. |
06:59:02 | Kronuz | hardware playback would be nice |
06:59:11 | Kronuz | "with video" |
06:59:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Only the 5G has video support in its original firmware. |
06:59:16 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
06:59:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Rockbox is designed as an audio playing software. |
06:59:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | So video's not high on the priorities list unless someone else does it. |
07:00 |
07:00:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since it can only really be done effectively on the 5G, and that requires reverse engineering the chip, so whoever would be working on that would be working on something beneficial for a fairly small portion of users. |
07:00:54 | Kronuz | yeah, I know... but having some pr0n videos on an iPod is always fun :P |
07:01:04 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
07:01:26 | saa[b_r]ider | guys, on an H300 using the stock 1300 mAh battery, at what voltage should the player shut down? |
07:02:13 | Kronuz | Kronuz: otherwise I'll have to live with asciipr0n |
07:02:38 | saa[b_r]ider | Paul_The_Nerd: and you wonder why people think you're a dev :p |
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07:03:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | saa[b_r]ider: Bah. I also solved why the bootloader wouldn't load the retail firmware on iPod Nano way back when. I do poke around in the code a *little* bit from time to time. |
07:03:57 | saa[b_r]ider | my H300 is shutting down @ about 3.47 V. shouldn't it go below that? |
07:04:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't it the hardware itself that triggers the poweroff? |
07:04:34 | saa[b_r]ider | Paul_The_Nerd: the RB community can use everyone's help, glad you've made you contributions |
07:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | My primary contributions are in the forums anyway |
07:05:16 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah I think so, but isn't 3.47 v a bit high for the player to poweroff? iirc, it use to go down to 2.XX |
07:05:19 | Kronuz | what theme do you guys use? |
07:05:36 | saa[b_r]ider | Kronuz: you mean WPS? |
07:05:41 | Kronuz | and how do I make the art work work? |
07:05:44 | Kronuz | yep WPS |
07:05:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I use a very simple one of my own devising. |
07:06:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And as for Album Art, that's something you should just go read about. It's not an offiicial feature, so you're better off reading the patch notes, wherever that is. |
07:06:12 | Kronuz | I really like the jBlackGlass but it breaks my ID3 :( |
07:06:53 | Kronuz | also what's that full screen thing? |
07:07:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | What full screen thing? |
07:07:15 | Kronuz | dunno |
07:07:19 | Kronuz | I read somewhere |
07:07:25 | Kronuz | about fullscreen |
07:07:28 | Kronuz | or something |
07:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The term fullscreen makes no sense on its own |
07:07:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually you have a noun of some sort that is being stretched to full screen. |
07:07:48 | saa[b_r]ider | I've created my own... Knightbox (for H300 and 4G iPod photo) |
07:07:48 | saa[b_r]ider | Paul_The_Nerd: do you have an H300? |
07:07:48 | saa[b_r]ider | Kronuz: sounds too vague |
07:07:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | saa[b_r]ider: Nope. |
07:08:13 | saa[b_r]ider | H100 and a nano? |
07:08:26 | saa[b_r]ider | or no iriver at all? |
07:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | saa[b_r]ider: Of devices that run Rockbox to some degree I have: Archos Jukebox Recorder v1 20gb, iHP-120, iFP-799, and iPod Nano 4gig. |
07:08:37 | Kronuz | I read somewhere something about setting fullscreen mode in the settings or something like that |
07:09:06 | saa[b_r]ider | Paul_The_Nerd: sweet! hard core RB user! |
07:09:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Fullscreen mode for *what* though? You may have noticed that things tend to take up the full screen as it is. Are you maybe talking about the gameboy emulator? |
07:09:14 | Kronuz | oh, full_screen_logo ?? |
07:09:19 | Kronuz | there's a patch for that |
07:09:19 | saa[b_r]ider | ahhh |
07:09:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Yes, there is. |
07:09:26 | Kronuz | but I read it somewhere else |
07:09:27 | saa[b_r]ider | bootup logo |
07:09:40 | Kronuz | in the wiki somewehre I belive |
07:10:10 | saa[b_r]ider | kronuz: to have a bootup logo take up the full screen, you'll need to compile your own build |
07:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the only full screen option I know of relates to the gameboy emulator.. |
07:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then there's the full screen logo patch |
07:10:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which probably isn't the one he saw in the wiki, at least. |
07:11:13 | saa[b_r]ider | so instead of having the yellow rockbox logo at bootup on the RB blue background, you'd have whatever logo you used when compiling... |
07:11:56 | Kronuz | oh |
07:12:15 | Kronuz | I like the estimated playback time left |
07:12:40 | Kronuz | step accell scroll patch? |
07:12:44 | Kronuz | what's that about? |
07:13:00 | Kronuz | and the lcd ipodvideo duffs device |
07:13:06 | Kronuz | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/patches/ |
07:13:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Read the patch notes. The whole concept of patches is that they're code from *other* people |
07:13:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the duff's device one adds ~1fps on 5G ipods. |
07:14:20 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: where are the patch notes? where do you keep them? |
07:14:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | The patch tracker |
07:14:57 | Kronuz | where? |
07:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Linked to from the front page, and everything... |
07:15:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | The link that says "Patches" |
07:15:06 | Kronuz | hmm |
07:15:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some of the julius patches have not been submitted to the tracker, though, I believe. |
07:16:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | A few of the ones he made himself, I believe |
07:16:31 | Kronuz | does julius comes here often? |
07:16:44 | Kronuz | what timezone is he in? |
07:16:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | No clue |
07:16:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've seen him once or twice |
07:17:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Your best bet is asking on the thread he's got in the forum, probably |
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07:18:31 | Kronuz | how can you tell what's the name of the font currently used? |
07:19:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't unless you go to "Manage Settings" and have it save a config file, then find the font line in that |
07:19:33 | Kronuz | :( |
07:19:49 | Kronuz | the current font should be selected by default when you go into the fonts menu |
07:20:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | The fonts menu is actually just a file browser localized to the directory, though I guess that could be possible. |
07:21:56 | saa[b_r]ider | properly made WPSs have the intended font for the WPS saved in a .cfg file. so when you browse "themes", it would load both the proper WPS, and proper font, plus backdrops, colors etc.. |
07:22:01 | Kronuz | some times when you select a new wps theme it doesn't change after it's loaded |
07:22:27 | Kronuz | at least on th ejBlackGlass themes |
07:22:53 | Kronuz | what's another nice looking theme like the jBlackGlass? |
07:23:12 | saa[b_r]ider | have you looked at the WPS gallery at rockbox.org? |
07:23:26 | Kronuz | I did... but there are too many themes there |
07:23:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | A new WPS will just change the while playing screen |
07:23:53 | saa[b_r]ider | and that's a bad thing? |
07:23:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | A new Theme will change other things |
07:24:06 | Kronuz | I liked the jBlackGlass one... but it needs the patched binary and it breaks my ID3 |
07:24:32 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: what do you mean? |
07:24:51 | Kronuz | oh |
07:24:59 | Kronuz | I got confused :P |
07:25:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Also, if a WPS doesn't set a backdrop, but a previous one had one, you may end up with the previous WPS'es backdrop |
07:26:13 | Kronuz | I see |
07:26:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | People often mistake this for it not changing the WPS, or "merging" two |
07:26:23 | Kronuz | a backdrop is the background? |
07:26:56 | Kronuz | I like the "next song" caption |
07:27:34 | Kronuz | I think volume works better than on the original firmware :) |
07:27:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | A backdrop is the image that is behind everything yes. |
07:27:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | And our volume has a greater range, yes. |
07:28:08 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: do you happen to have the compiled libraries that I'll need to link rockbox? |
07:28:23 | Kronuz | (for the codecs, etc) |
07:28:33 | Kronuz | or will I have to compile those too :S |
07:28:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | For the codecs? |
07:29:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | And compiled libraries? Everything needs to be source since the binary format is different for different targets. |
07:29:58 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: oh, right... |
07:30:10 | Kronuz | it would have to be for the ipod video |
07:30:14 | Kronuz | (mine) |
07:30:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pretty much everything you need is in the source package. |
07:30:51 | Kronuz | oh, really |
07:31:46 | Kronuz | interesting it is there :) |
07:32:08 | Kronuz | I just would have hated to need to get all those libraries source codes |
07:32:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | You just need a working development environment with crosscompilers, and the source code, I believe |
07:33:15 | Kronuz | I guess I'll instal linux on a vmware |
07:33:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | We have a VMWare image for download |
07:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have VMWare player, you can just download our image and it'll have everything set up for you. |
07:33:37 | Kronuz | earHertz said earHertz is too slow |
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07:33:48 | Kronuz | that's even better!! :) |
07:34:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
07:34:01 | Kronuz | where? where is it ?? |
07:34:09 | Kronuz | things just keep getting better :) |
07:34:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | We do try to make it fairly easy for people to dive in. |
07:34:31 | enzyme | can some one help me install the inhansed frames per second patch for the ipod g5 |
07:34:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: Have you read the guide to compiling and compiled your own build? |
07:35:11 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: that's a good thing |
07:35:19 | enzyme | can you give a link please |
07:35:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: There's even a shell script for Linux users to set up the crosscompilers for them, leaving the user to just add them to the path and be done. |
07:35:37 | Kronuz | many other projects would have just said "do it all youserlf or go away, we don't need you anyway" |
07:35:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
07:37:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: That page should also go over the basics of patches. |
07:37:55 | Kronuz | The only bad thing is I won't be able to dim the backlight after all :( |
07:38:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh? |
07:38:10 | Kronuz | that's what started my quest that lead me to rockbox |
07:38:10 | enzyme | ok thats way too confusing paul |
07:38:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: And believe it or not, that's the "Simple" guide. |
07:39:03 | enzyme | lol |
07:39:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Really, that guide is what you've got. You gotta figure out compiling before you can patch. |
07:40:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | But honestly, of all the patches you could pick, one that adds 1fps on average is not the one you want. You really shouldn't even be able to notice a visible difference from it, or if so minimally. |
07:40:35 | Kronuz | 1fps on average of what? |
07:40:44 | Kronuz | what's that ~1 fps patch for? |
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07:41:05 | Kronuz | (sorry I'll look the notes, I promise) |
07:41:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure how to explain it any more simply than "It adds 1fps" |
07:41:29 | Kronuz | but 1fps to what? |
07:41:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean "to what"? |
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07:41:58 | Kronuz | it adds 1 frame per second to what? |
07:42:00 | Kronuz | sound? |
07:42:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | You add frames per second to the frame rate, usually... |
07:42:03 | Kronuz | :P |
07:42:10 | Kronuz | sound frame rate? |
07:42:15 | enzyme | is there a way to make song with 320kbps prevent skipping |
07:42:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Video frame rate. |
07:42:41 | Kronuz | that's a weird patch... why is that extra 1 fps needed? |
07:42:55 | enzyme | well it says 2-3fps |
07:43:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | enzyme: If it's still skipping when you have no EQ set, and a text-only WPS with no scrolling and no peakmeters, then you'll just have to wait 'till Rockbox is more optimized. |
07:43:21 | enzyme | ok |
07:43:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Really, the extra 1fps isn't needed, but that also means that at the same FPS, less time is spent doing video, and more time can be spent elsewhere like audio decoding. |
07:44:38 | Kronuz | I'll have to read the patches notes |
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07:54:38 | Kronuz | what are those things inside the rocks directory? |
07:55:15 | ashridah | plugins |
07:55:25 | ashridah | you can use them via the browse plugins menu. |
07:55:31 | Kronuz | oh |
07:55:32 | Kronuz | hmm |
07:55:43 | Kronuz | that's interesting |
07:55:54 | Kronuz | a game is always a plugin? |
07:56:39 | ashridah | so are codecs, although they fit in in a slightly different way (so ordinary plugins can often work at the same time, provided they don't need too much memory) |
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08:01:06 | Kronuz | is mp3 decoding done by hardware? |
08:01:09 | Kronuz | or a codec? |
08:01:22 | Kronuz | in iPod 5G |
08:01:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Codec |
08:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's all codecs on everything but the archoses. |
08:02:27 | Kronuz | doesn't the ipod have mp3 hardware decoder? |
08:02:35 | Kronuz | (don't really know) |
08:02:41 | Mikachu | nope |
08:02:47 | Kronuz | I see |
08:02:58 | Kronuz | it has hardware video decoder, though... right? |
08:03:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has a chip that is probably a hardware video decoder. |
08:03:39 | Kronuz | oh |
08:03:47 | Kronuz | but nobody knows exactly? |
08:03:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no documentation for it. |
08:03:58 | Kronuz | what if it also is an mo3 decoder? |
08:04:02 | Kronuz | mp3* |
08:04:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why would it be? |
08:04:09 | Kronuz | dunno |
08:04:15 | Kronuz | to save battery |
08:04:19 | Kronuz | I don't know |
08:04:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | No previous iPod has had that chip |
08:04:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So it's kinda unlikely |
08:04:54 | Kronuz | yeah, but thinking it's a video decoder (mpeg4 decoder, I presume) |
08:05:02 | Kronuz | it might also come with an audio decoder |
08:05:37 | Kronuz | which could make the ipod work with less battery by decoding in hardware |
08:05:51 | Kronuz | just a thought I had |
08:06:25 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
08:06:39 | Kronuz | it could be |
08:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's not much point in speculating, since it doesn't matter what it can do until someone figures out what it can do. |
08:07:03 | Kronuz | :( |
08:07:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the same time, it's also possible that it's just a coprocessor used for video decoding, since it has its own, somewhat large, extra firmware file |
08:07:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | That could be the various video codecs |
08:07:33 | Kronuz | well, speculation it's all it's left then |
08:07:39 | Kronuz | :)) |
08:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Speculation's kinda a waste of time though. You think "what if" and then if it turns out the other way, all the what ifs weren't much use at all. |
08:08:13 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
08:08:22 | Kronuz | c'mon it's a processor with no specs? |
08:08:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
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08:08:30 | Kronuz | that's weird |
08:08:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | So's the main core. |
08:08:45 | Kronuz | tailored just for the ipod? |
08:08:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | We know it has two ARM7TDMI cores, but everything else about the PortalPlayer SoC is pretty unknown. |
08:09:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | The PortalPlayer core is used in a few other MP3 players, no public docs. |
08:09:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Broadcom one, I dunno. |
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08:10:03 | Kronuz | what exactly is PortalPlayer? |
08:11:00 | ashridah | it's a music playing platform |
08:11:39 | ashridah | basically, a company wanting to make an mp3 player to sell would license the basic design and order chips etc off portalplayer, finish the design, and sell it |
08:11:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | PortalPlayer makes so called "System on a Chip" things that they sell to DAP manufacturers. |
08:12:09 | Kronuz | oh |
08:12:29 | Kronuz | and iPod 5G has one of those PortalPlayer chips |
08:12:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | They have a general reference design that many companies adapt to production MP3 players. Apple seems to have strayed a bit further from the reference than most though (or made theirs before the reference existed) |
08:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | All the iPods use PortalPlayer chips |
08:12:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'cept the shuffle |
08:13:11 | Kronuz | and the other chip the iPod 5G has is not a PortalPlayer, right, it's something else |
08:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Broadcom |
08:14:35 | Kronuz | oh |
08:14:40 | Kronuz | that's what Broadcom is |
08:14:41 | Kronuz | :P |
08:14:57 | Kronuz | what's with the name? how is it known? |
08:15:15 | Kronuz | so even the PortalPlayer chip might have more stuff that's already known |
08:16:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you mean by "That's already known?" |
08:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | As for the Broadcom one, if I remember correctly, it's stamped on the chip |
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08:18:00 | Kronuz | I mean that the PortalPlayer may be able to do more stuff than that what is currently known to do |
08:18:13 | Kronuz | (if the specs are not public) |
08:18:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
08:18:42 | Kronuz | like a hardware MP3 decoder |
08:18:45 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
08:18:58 | Kronuz | (what's with me and the hardware mp3 decoder?) :P |
08:19:22 | ashridah | Kronuz: apple wouldn't have bothered with a hardware mp3 decoder, since they needed to do AAC anyway |
08:19:37 | Kronuz | yeah, probably |
08:19:54 | Kronuz | but what if the PortalPlayer already comes with one? |
08:20:08 | Kronuz | I mean it's for portable players isn't it? |
08:20:16 | Kronuz | (wasn't designed by apple) |
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08:22:24 | Kronuz | hey, if I want to install iPL after having installed rockbox, you know if I have to uninstall it first or something? |
08:22:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | You don't have to. |
08:22:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it may be easier to. |
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08:23:26 | Kronuz | I don't like that about losing my collectionin the iPod to be able to install iPL |
08:23:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The portalplayer chip *probably* doesn't have a hardware MP3 decoder, because the iPod under apple's firmware changes clock speed along with the bitrate of VBR MP3s, and Apple would probably know about it and use it if it had one. |
08:23:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Technically, you don't have to lose your collection. That's just the lazy/easy install. |
08:24:11 | Kronuz | oh, but it says about the partition size |
08:24:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: If you feel like resizing your FAT32 partition, then formatting the empty new partition as ext2 or ext3, you can do so without losing the data on your FAT32. |
08:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless your FAT32 is fairly full |
08:25:08 | Kronuz | It's probably easier to just copy the whole content of the drive |
08:25:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very possibly |
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08:25:32 | Kronuz | unless the apple firmware saves stuff in the other "hidden" partition |
08:25:52 | Kronuz | that's needed for the collection |
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08:26:03 | Kronuz | you know if it does? |
08:26:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't believe so. |
08:27:45 | Kronuz | still it'll take too long |
08:28:02 | Kronuz | then again it's probably faster to resize the partition myself |
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08:28:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but if you do it wrong, you lose data. ;) |
08:29:24 | Kronuz | okay, if I want to "uninstall" the bootloader and have it as it was before rockbox, what's needed to be done? |
08:30:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin |
08:30:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Assuming you kept the original bootpartition.bin file |
08:30:37 | ZenMasterJG | Kronuz: or use Apple's restore utility, if you wanna wipe the slate clean |
08:31:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | That wipes your music |
08:31:14 | Kronuz | ZenMasterJG: that would kill my collection |
08:31:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | He already said he didn't want to do that. |
08:31:18 | Kronuz | yeah |
08:31:24 | Kronuz | :P |
08:31:39 | Kronuz | I did keep the bootpartition.bin :) |
08:31:43 | Mikachu | if you want to resize the partition so it's smaller from the end, you probably have to use partition magic |
08:31:53 | Mikachu | unless ipl provides some utility for that? |
08:32:37 | Kronuz | wow that bootpartitionis the 112 MB one |
08:32:45 | Kronuz | why is it so big? |
08:32:56 | Mikachu | apple can't code |
08:33:15 | Mikachu | since it takes so long to boot their firmware, they decided to dump the entire memory contents to disk when shutting down |
08:33:29 | Mikachu | like hibernate in windows |
08:33:38 | Kronuz | lol |
08:34:18 | Kronuz | it's just that's probably faster and uses less battery I suppose (not that they can't code) ... I belive |
08:34:41 | Mikachu | rockbox starts from complete shutdown to playing music in 7 seconds on my nano |
08:34:46 | Mikachu | apple... does not |
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08:34:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | And 5 of those 7 seconds can be eliminated by removing the Apple firmware altogether |
08:35:44 | Kronuz | O_O |
08:35:49 | Kronuz | weird |
08:36:08 | Kronuz | can you remove the apple firmware altogether then? |
08:36:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
08:36:42 | Galois | how?! |
08:36:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though a slightly different series of steps with the ipod_fw tool |
08:36:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Through, rather |
08:36:59 | Mikachu | just don't use it when creating the firmware partition image |
08:37:02 | Galois | is this documented anywhere? |
08:37:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: What do you mean? |
08:37:13 | Mikachu | i think you might need to use an empty or 1kB file |
08:37:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, you use an empty file in place of the apple_os.bin |
08:37:31 | Galois | the apple firmware is an unwanted albatross around my neck as far as I'm concerned |
08:37:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I think -l (lower case L) instead of -i |
08:37:39 | Mikachu | i may say things out of order as i'm a bit tired |
08:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I could be slightly wrong though |
08:38:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | So don't got all experimenty and then blame me if it doesn't work |
08:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Feel free to experiment and not blame me though |
08:38:10 | Mikachu | heh |
08:38:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had my Nano running without the Apple firmware, but because of the abysmal transfer speeds in the hardware disk mode, I restored it for transferring files |
08:38:43 | Mikachu | it would be fun if you could replace the firmware partition from inside rockbox... |
08:38:57 | Mikachu | so you could select between quick boot and ability to transfer files quicker (this only applies to nano) |
08:39:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: There's not much reason to, except to remove the bootloader from the startup process in the future. |
08:39:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could put rockbox.ipod in the firmware partition, and have it boot straight to it, no bootloader at all |
08:39:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I imagine you could do it in a similar way to the firmware_flash.rock for the Archoses |
08:40:15 | Galois | that sounds like exactly what I want, booting straight to rockbox.ipod |
08:41:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well right now it still has to load the Rockbox bootloader which then loads Rockbox.ipod |
08:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just, instead of loading the Rockbox bootloader *and* the apple firmware, it'd just load the bootloader if you don't have the apple firmware present, which is much quicker. |
08:42:50 | ashridah | Paul_The_Nerd: i seem to recall someone attempting to get rockbox to sit inside the flash chip on the iriver H1xx. it didn't go well :) |
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08:43:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | ashridah: Actually, if I recall someone finally succeeded. |
08:43:27 | ashridah | did they? |
08:43:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm about 80% sure I remember hearing so |
08:45:00 | * | ashridah casually bludgeons Paul_The_Nerd for mentioning probability |
08:45:04 | ashridah | sorry, reflex action ;) |
08:45:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
08:45:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | My memory is uncertain at best, so I have to assign probabilities to things. |
08:53:52 | Kronuz | okay, I have to get going now |
08:54:02 | Kronuz | it's a little late and I'm a bit tired :P |
08:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
08:54:27 | Kronuz | bye Paul, and thanks :) |
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09:02:13 | amiconn | m0rning |
09:03:45 | Mikachu | h3ll0 |
09:04:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5up? |
09:04:16 | scorche | 43110 70 y0u 700! |
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09:20:34 | * | amiconn updated ReleaseTodo |
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09:23:11 | amiconn | Jumping from 10% to 'Done' isn't bad, eh? |
09:23:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not bad at all |
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09:26:58 | midkay | nice to see most of these things green.. |
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09:28:32 | midkay | isn't "Support for platform specific versions of themes" done? |
09:28:56 | midkay | the whole system about only including sizes for specific LCD sizes.. |
09:29:11 | midkay | only including WPS' for specific LCD sizes* |
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09:40:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Recent word from the WMA guy: "Yes, still around, there have been a lot of changes since the version in the patch tracker. Life certainly has been busy and that's stopped me ironing out the current bug I have. More soon!" |
09:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means, at least, that he's alive. |
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09:44:27 | midkay | whew.. i was getting pretty worried that he'd been hit by a bus. |
09:45:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | It had been over a month since he'd even logged into the forums |
09:45:55 | midkay | hence the bus theory. |
09:45:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
09:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Ever seen this before? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/llxwarbirdxll/DSC00415.jpg |
09:51:58 | midkay | maybe not that particular screen, but that's clearly the Recovery Mode. |
09:52:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | How do you get into it? |
09:52:29 | midkay | power on, select+left. |
09:52:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
09:52:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone got there while inside Rockbox. |
09:53:00 | * | midkay narrows eyes |
09:53:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | All he knows is that he pressed left |
09:53:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | He was in the filetree, music was paused |
09:53:42 | midkay | since left is involved in the combo to get there, maybe somehow it was rebooted ... *shrugs* |
09:54:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe\ |
09:55:04 | midkay | pretty weird either way. |
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09:56:26 | amiconn | Wow, http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/tcpip.html |
09:58:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Whoa |
09:58:50 | midkay | hrm? |
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10:02:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | The whole contiki thing. |
10:02:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | 's kinda neat |
10:02:29 | scorche | indeed |
10:02:59 | midkay | okay, so it's.. um.. some kind of small OS.. |
10:03:04 | midkay | how original and neat...... :) |
10:03:18 | scorche | for 8-bit systems... |
10:03:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | A very, very, very small OS. With working TCPIP |
10:04:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I note that they list a lack of networking support for the NES but not the Gameboy |
10:04:17 | scorche | 175k for the binary |
10:04:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, right, the link port. |
10:04:58 | midkay | ah, nice. |
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10:11:13 | bluebrother | RedBreva, you're in? |
10:11:22 | RedBreva | yes. |
10:11:46 | bluebrother | have you noticed that task: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5553 |
10:12:27 | bluebrother | I think it looks nice but needs patches −− maybe you want to include it on rockbox-themes? |
10:13:22 | bluebrother | the requirements could be listed in the wps notes. |
10:13:46 | RedBreva | hmmm, up till now I have been avoiding WPS's that require patched versions... WAAAAY to many oportunities for new users to get confused |
10:13:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm closing that entry |
10:14:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just to let y'all know |
10:14:34 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd, I was thinking about that a few minutes ago ;-) |
10:14:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Too late, it's done |
10:14:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no point in submitting WPSes for inclusion if users can't use them. |
10:15:16 | bluebrother | hehe. Right. |
10:15:17 | RedBreva | Not that I have any interest in AA and the associated margin patches, the soon they get included the better... |
10:15:41 | RedBreva | Too many people complaining that they ae not in, or asking how to patch |
10:15:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Album Art still needs metadata on buffer |
10:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the moment I understand it hits the disk with every track change to load the cover bitmap |
10:18:00 | RedBreva | I have never really understood why someone would want to display AA anyway... My dap stay in my pocket when it's in use... do some of these people actually walk araound looking at the screen the whole time? |
10:18:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly, I don't understand the people who were like "I wasn't gonna use Rockbox, but once I saw it could have album art, I changed my mind" |
10:19:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seriously, if I wanted to see the Album Art I'd rather have a large jpeg and load it with the viewer when I wanted to see it. |
10:19:23 | RedBreva | heheh, me and you both ;-) |
10:19:40 | JdGordon | AA sux |
10:19:43 | JdGordon | hey all.. |
10:20:12 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: u gonna go ahead with the forum re-arranging? |
10:20:14 | RedBreva | although I would have to get a iPod Video first, I struggle to see much on the screen of the Nano at all - Damn, I must be getting old :( |
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10:21:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I really haven't settled on a final design yet. There are some major flaws in the proposal I haven't solved. As well, not that many people have given feedback. There's no rush to change, so I want to make sure whatever plan I settle on makes as many people, if not everyone, happy |
10:21:34 | JdGordon | righto |
10:21:43 | RedBreva | Now that iCather is in CVS, and is platfor specific (fonts etc), has a decision been made to changing the default theme? |
10:22:16 | RedBreva | ** Must learn to type better! |
10:24:32 | JdGordon | better fix the theme first... |
10:24:50 | JdGordon | i just tried it, it didnt remove my last background, and it didnt change the foreground colour |
10:25:06 | * | JdGordon sticks with ajant |
10:25:53 | bluebrother | ok, I added a note to the wps guidelines page to not use any patches ;-) |
10:26:37 | bluebrother | speaking of themes, I looked in the tar file format yesterday. Looks pretty good to me for a bundled themes format. |
10:26:38 | RedBreva | Cool, it will get completely ignored anyway, but at least we can rant with a clean concience |
10:26:46 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
10:26:56 | JdGordon | ha |
10:27:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I always rant with a clean conscience. |
10:27:10 | RedBreva | :P |
10:27:15 | bluebrother | the submitter of that wps seems to have read the guidelines −− he wrote he complied with them |
10:27:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it hit my conscience every time I issued complaints to someone, man, I'd be nuts by now |
10:28:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, in most cases they don't even know to submit it to the tracker unless they've read the guidelines |
10:29:53 | RedBreva | I will try to find time later today, to iron the remaining kinks out of the rockbox-themes code... once I am happy with that, would it be worth considering a "clearing house" approch to subbmiting WPS's... ie send them to me, I check that they at least basically function, then stick them on the site |
10:30:38 | bluebrother | RedBreva, sounds great. |
10:30:56 | RedBreva | And I still need to type slower, and more accurately... Probably learn to spell too! |
10:31:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | One of the remaining kinks is this: The theme needs to be able to *clear* a prior WPSe's backdrop, if the new one doesn't have one. |
10:31:25 | bluebrother | I found the wiki wps page always a bit complex |
10:31:36 | JdGordon | you gonna script a checker for the wps's to make sure they only change colours/fonts/backgrounds/etc? |
10:31:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think one of the key things about submitted WPSes is that they all need to have the proper format within the zip, so if you extract them into the root the files end up in the right place. |
10:32:04 | * | bluebrother can't use backdrops at all (h120) |
10:32:09 | midkay | there isn't that much to look through.. probably a submission or two a day? .. easy enough to check the config file yourself, since you have to try it anyways. |
10:32:16 | RedBreva | Initailly, I would do it by hand |
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10:32:52 | JdGordon | midkay: ye, but scripting it would be nicer anyway |
10:33:20 | RedBreva | and more consistent |
10:33:33 | midkay | JdGordon, meh.. |
10:33:37 | JdGordon | :) |
10:34:02 | JdGordon | is rockbox-themes php or perl? |
10:34:07 | RedBreva | php |
10:34:12 | midkay | my point is that if you're suggesting scripting it, suggest scripting it, instead of asking casually whether they are going to script it when it's so unlikely! :) |
10:34:30 | JdGordon | damn, if it was php id offer to script everything for it (me has perl exam on friday, need to "study") |
10:34:39 | JdGordon | if it was perl sorry... |
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10:34:56 | bluebrother | one could also write an automated upload-script for rockbox-themes that places the themes in an "untested" category until they are manually moved to the "tested" |
10:35:23 | bluebrother | perl exam? uuuh. |
10:35:27 | RedBreva | I am open to suggestion for the basic format of such a piece of code ;-) |
10:35:39 | JdGordon | there isnt really anything to test tho? just make sure it has all the files, the config is correct and the paths are all good? |
10:35:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could also have a webform type submission |
10:36:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Paste the .wps code into a big empty field |
10:36:15 | RedBreva | and that the image is PNG, the correct size, the txt file with desction is corect format etc. |
10:36:28 | JdGordon | the image needs to BMP.. not PNG |
10:36:32 | RedBreva | or even description |
10:36:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then fill in "Font" "Foreground" "Background", and then upload a menu backdrop .bmp if there is one, as well as a .zip with all the rest of the bitmaps |
10:36:40 | JdGordon | unless u mean the screenshot? |
10:36:41 | bluebrother | JdGordon, the preview pictures are png. |
10:36:47 | JdGordon | ah, soz |
10:37:35 | RedBreva | Paul_The_Nerd: I like your way of thinking |
10:37:39 | amiconn | Hmm, perhaps have a sim controlled by the web server script to auto-generate the preview? |
10:37:53 | amiconn | s/a sim/one sim per target/ |
10:37:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: It's a little complicated to set up, but it forces submitters to maintain a rather strict format. |
10:38:16 | JdGordon | you have problem when they have 30 bmp's to upload... |
10:38:24 | JdGordon | unless u let them upload all of them in 1 zip? |
10:38:26 | bluebrother | Paul_The_Nerd, this is pretty similar to what I meant as "automated upload-script" :) |
10:38:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Notice I said that the backdrop is a .bmp, then the rest are zipped. |
10:38:43 | JdGordon | nope :p |
10:38:49 | * | JdGordon missed it |
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10:38:50 | bluebrother | the script could also auto-adjust to more files. |
10:38:58 | RedBreva | Paul_The_Nerd: and makes the entire thing almost maint free :D |
10:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once it's done, yep |
10:39:18 | bluebrother | but adding each bmp separately would make the submission a bit lengthy. |
10:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though you'd have to have a test to make sure that the .wps code itself was compatible with the target it was aimed at. |
10:39:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | At the moment, what happens of a clock tag shows up in a non-RTC target? |
10:40:20 | amiconn | It'll just show the tag literally, minus the % afaik |
10:40:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what I thought |
10:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | It really should be graceful about that |
10:40:32 | JdGordon | do the clock tags actually work in cvs yet? |
10:40:36 | RedBreva | same with backdrop? |
10:40:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're on the CustomWPS page, I think |
10:41:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since there are many cases where a WPS fits multiple targets because of the same screen size, but won't work because some don't support all the tags, it should just display nothing if it's an unsupported tag, no? |
10:43:16 | JdGordon | well.. a script could easily remove those lines during the upload |
10:43:16 | RedBreva | The current trend to submit one WPS with 30 different background images is p1551ng me off at present... any suggestion on handling that one? |
10:44:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno how best to handle variant-themes |
10:44:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | In most cases the WPS stays the same but some/all images are changed (usually often just colors) |
10:45:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the whole .tar thing (or some other single-file method) were used, then you could have the .wps and the resource file be two separate things |
10:45:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then they could just download the resource they wanted to use. |
10:46:03 | JdGordon | what we need id a colour-map system so we can submit 1 wps/bmp combo and have a list of colours to be changed in the actual code |
10:46:35 | bluebrother | JdGordon, do you think this will work for full color targets? |
10:46:47 | bluebrother | I like the tar resource file idea. |
10:47:03 | JdGordon | no reason why it couldnt be done, it would slow down the wps loading, but it is possible |
10:47:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | You *could* have like, 16 user-colors. |
10:47:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since the 24-bit image is downgraded to 16-bit anyway, there's a lot of colors that get approximated |
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10:47:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The author can avoid those anyway, and some of those can be assigned as the user-colors. |
10:47:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Prior to downgrading to 16-bit, the user colors can be substituted. |
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10:48:10 | RedBreva | I certainly don't want to add 10 entries in the table for Aardvark (for example http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Aardvark_Skins_1), so just pick one image for the screen shot, and include all the othes in the *VERY LARGE* zip file |
10:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you have "Foreground" "Background" and 16 shades. |
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10:48:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would work very much like the current translucent color (where the backdrop or background is drawn instead) |
10:48:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | transparent color, rather |
10:49:39 | JdGordon | ye, cept it would be done as pre-processing when loading the image, instead of on the fly like transparecny |
10:49:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | RedBreva: With the Aardvark one, those aren't even different WPSes, it's just different backdrops. To me that would be an entirely different gallery, just for backdrop images. |
10:49:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Exactly. |
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10:50:29 | * | Paul_The_Nerd never understood why the transparent color was 255,0,255 instead of 254,0,255 or some other almost-absolute color |
10:50:46 | JdGordon | whats the difference? |
10:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Simple, what if you want to use Hot Pink? |
10:51:16 | RedBreva | I really don't see the point in these multiple backdrop images - not till RB supports timed backdrop rotation :D |
10:51:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now, you raise both sliders, then pull one of the back by one. |
10:51:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Magenta I guess |
10:51:55 | JdGordon | ok |
10:52:04 | RedBreva | anyway, later guys, fathers day here, and I am just about to be taken out for a treat, not sure what yet |
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10:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to me, if we're lowering the color depth to 16-bit, we shouldn't use maximum-value colors for reserved things. |
10:52:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should always be in-between ones. Of course, it's not 24-bit anymore by the time you reach the realtime bit, so... I dunno |
10:52:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | And yeah, it's 4am here, I should sleep |
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11:30:35 | ghode|afk | hello, does anyone know if there are problems with dircache and the ipod5g? |
11:30:50 | ghode|afk | for some reason it won't build the dircache upon reboot |
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11:40:21 | JdGordon | bizinichimonji: rockbx works on everything newer than the mini 1g iirc |
11:40:28 | ghode|afk | well thats funny, just dropped my ipod on the floor. it rebooted by itself and now dircache is working. great. |
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12:06:40 | JdGordon | cant the 360 play mp3 or ogg? |
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13:31:18 | kristiann | Browsed the manual and rockbox.org, but haven't really found information about if fm-radio works with the iPods (with the radio-remote attached) or not, and if it does, how to use it? (Only found the remote mentioned, that it works, and it does, as a remote. But what about radio?) |
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13:31:57 | ashridah | kristiann: i don't think anyone's implemented it yet, to be honest. |
13:33:35 | amiconn | The remote doesn't work on ipod as we don't have a working serial i/f driver |
13:33:50 | amiconn | Also, technically the ipod doesn't have a radio |
13:34:12 | amiconn | It's the radio remote that actually contains the fm chip |
13:35:08 | kristiann | Well, the remote _does_ work. As a remote. Not as a radio −− I have to boot apple to listen to that. But the remote works fine in rockbox too. |
13:35:47 | markun | amiconn: H300 can be included in the 3.0 release now you solved the power issue, right? |
13:35:56 | amiconn | yes |
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13:38:14 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn! you're here... a HUGE thank you goes out to you! |
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15:00:06 | dionoea | hi |
15:00:31 | amiconn | lo |
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15:01:17 | tucoz | quite an understatement: amiconn spoke a total of 772445 words! amiconn's faithful follower, preglow, didn't speak so much: 497784 words. |
15:01:25 | tucoz | (from the irc-stats) |
15:01:42 | amiconn | I know I'm talking too much... |
15:01:53 | Mikachu | monthly or total? |
15:02:24 | tucoz | Yes, but saying that ~half a million words is "not speaking so much" ... |
15:02:28 | tucoz | total |
15:02:37 | tucoz | http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ircstats/ |
15:03:28 | Mikachu | interesting, the rockbox ircstats is only one day later than the stats i keep for #gentoo-se :) |
15:03:32 | Mikachu | the starting date |
15:03:48 | Mikachu | ah wait, it wasn't generated today, still within a week though |
15:04:09 | Mikachu | during that time, "Mikachu spoke a total of 1717709 words!" |
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15:04:18 | tucoz | hehe. quite impressive |
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15:04:28 | Mikachu | maybe that makes amiconn feel better |
15:05:04 | dionoea | :) |
15:05:11 | tucoz | Mikachu, you were involved in some other open source project right? |
15:05:17 | * | amiconn should talk less and code more :/ |
15:05:22 | tucoz | s/were/are/ |
15:05:56 | Mikachu | tucoz: yeah, openbox |
15:06:29 | Mikachu | also done some small things for various other projects |
15:06:44 | Mikachu | i think my name appears in at least 10 different cvs commit logs |
15:06:55 | tucoz | :) |
15:07:00 | tucoz | openbox looks cool |
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15:07:57 | tucoz | are there lots of users of openbox? |
15:08:10 | Mikachu | i don't know, haven't counted them :) |
15:08:32 | Mikachu | 30 people on the irc channel |
15:08:58 | tucoz | Ok |
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15:19:44 | tucoz | maybe a stupid question, but why are the .c files filled with includes? Is this common in c programming. I usually program in c++, and keep the includes in the .h file. |
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15:20:09 | amiconn | Hmm, the grayscale value->real brightness mapping is remarkably non-linear on the H1x0 |
15:20:22 | * | amiconn put together a gamma test plugin |
15:20:29 | Mikachu | tucoz: that sounds crazy to me |
15:20:34 | tucoz | what? |
15:20:43 | tucoz | to include stuff in the .h file? |
15:20:53 | Mikachu | yes |
15:20:54 | dionoea | that doesn't sound crazy to me |
15:21:00 | tucoz | why is that? |
15:21:02 | dionoea | if you need a struc def from another .h |
15:21:52 | dionoea | but headers only needed for the .c file shouldn't be included in the .h |
15:22:04 | tucoz | that is true |
15:24:04 | preglow | tucoz: it's good practice to stuff all includes you can in the .c file to minimise parsing |
15:24:18 | tucoz | aha |
15:24:51 | tucoz | Instead of having the precompiler do those checks for you? |
15:24:54 | preglow | rule of thumb is, if something is needed in the c(pp) file only, include it there, if it's needed both places, stuff it in the header |
15:25:13 | tucoz | good to know |
15:25:40 | preglow | if a file gets included several places, the unneeded header parsing quickly adds up |
15:26:16 | tucoz | I can see that... |
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15:32:09 | preglow | how i hate header files |
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15:58:06 | Mekrob | hi |
15:58:10 | Mekrob | anyone here |
15:58:22 | bluebrother | no :D |
15:59:07 | Mekrob | has anyone tried rockbox on a sansa 2e60 |
15:59:22 | bluebrother | Mekrob, it isn't supported yet |
15:59:28 | Mekrob | or is their anyway i could play games like jeweled on it |
15:59:33 | Mekrob | or doom |
15:59:37 | Mekrob | yah i checked that |
15:59:47 | Mekrob | but i wanted to know if anyone has tried |
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16:00:37 | Mekrob | blue |
16:00:52 | Mekrob | i heard i could watch videos on a anano |
16:01:37 | bluebrother | not really. |
16:01:58 | bluebrother | rockbox doesn't support video right now. |
16:02:17 | Mekrob | ive seen people watching video on a nano |
16:02:22 | Mekrob | how is it posssible? |
16:02:25 | bluebrother | but I believe there was some proof of concept working. But don't quote me on that. |
16:02:42 | Mekrob | theres videos on utube |
16:03:11 | bluebrother | the nano should be fast enough to decode actually. Assuming the codec isn't too cpu intensive. |
16:03:41 | bluebrother | but right now there isn't any support for video in rockbox. |
16:04:05 | bluebrother | maybe someone wrote a plugin playing small videos. Don't know, I don't own a nano. |
16:04:25 | Mekrob | hm |
16:04:37 | Mekrob | im just trying to find a way to save me some money |
16:04:47 | Mekrob | the video is wicked expensive |
16:05:04 | Mekrob | the 3 260 is relatively cheap but then i cant play doom |
16:05:13 | Mekrob | and nano doesnt play full videos |
16:05:18 | Mekrob | so im lost |
16:05:29 | chendo | well... |
16:05:42 | chendo | results done for new battery test |
16:06:01 | bluebrother | from what I found on youtube it looks more like ipl |
16:06:39 | Mekrob | ipl? |
16:06:44 | bluebrother | ipod linux. |
16:07:35 | Mekrob | you cant run ipod linux on nanos and videos yet i heard... |
16:07:41 | tucoz | yes you can |
16:08:11 | Galois | it's not "supported" but it works |
16:08:11 | bluebrother | the ipl project status page lists the nano. |
16:08:17 | tucoz | e.g. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6974467646937874348&q=video+nano |
16:08:30 | Mekrob | ok |
16:08:37 | Mekrob | and nano could only play clips |
16:08:46 | Mekrob | or full length movies |
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16:09:30 | tucoz | I think that the video support in ipod linux is by use of uncompressed video. not sure though |
16:09:59 | Mekrob | so is that a no on the full length? |
16:10:47 | tucoz | Well, that is "how much uncompressed video can you fit on your nano/video" |
16:11:12 | Mekrob | aww |
16:11:26 | Mekrob | so what is the best option out |
16:11:33 | Mekrob | if i want video and rock box |
16:11:39 | Mekrob | and cheaper is better |
16:11:47 | tucoz | I would say rockbox, and play video with the apple firmware |
16:12:16 | Mekrob | no |
16:12:22 | Mekrob | i mean like actual player |
16:12:31 | Mekrob | ipod 30 gb i river |
16:12:32 | Mekrob | w/e |
16:12:41 | Mekrob | whatever is best |
16:13:41 | tucoz | I see. Maybe the x5? I think the h3xx players are the best at the moment. |
16:14:30 | tucoz | That is, the h3xx are the video capable (with the original fw) players that works best with rockbox |
16:14:47 | Mekrob | h3xx? |
16:14:55 | tucoz | iriver h320/h340 |
16:14:56 | Mekrob | is it cheapish |
16:15:09 | Mekrob | like what do they go for around |
16:15:35 | tucoz | You'll have to run a search on ebay for that. I don't think they are produced anymore |
16:15:51 | Mekrob | o well that doesn't help then |
16:15:59 | Mekrob | my granparents are willing to buy one |
16:16:09 | Mekrob | but they are anti ebay |
16:16:17 | mikearthur | amazon |
16:16:20 | Mekrob | they want to buy it from sort of retailer |
16:16:24 | tucoz | hehe. My grandparents doesn't even know what ebay is |
16:16:26 | Mekrob | okay ill check |
16:16:29 | mikearthur | amazon's second hand stuff is supported by amazon's guarantee |
16:16:42 | Mekrob | mine dont like it because of the news talking down on it |
16:18:07 | Mekrob | is this an example of one |
16:18:08 | Mekrob | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00065W74Q/sr=8-10/qid=1150640232/ref=sr_1_10/103-2834785-6077464?%5Fencoding=UTF8 |
16:18:20 | tucoz | yes |
16:19:12 | tucoz | just make sure to not buy the drm capable version. I don't think rockbox works on those. again, not sure... ;-) |
16:19:41 | Mekrob | aww |
16:19:54 | Mekrob | i want doom |
16:20:00 | Mekrob | that will be so awesome |
16:20:01 | tucoz | the international versions work fine |
16:20:04 | Mekrob | btw how is it |
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16:20:09 | Mekrob | intuitive? |
16:20:10 | chendo | tucoz, it works |
16:20:17 | Mekrob | how are the graphics |
16:20:19 | chendo | i flashed one over 4 days ago |
16:20:19 | tucoz | ah. ok. then i take that back |
16:20:30 | chendo | graphics are great |
16:20:31 | chendo | fps is great |
16:20:35 | chendo | dunno if sound works now |
16:20:41 | chendo | controls i didn't like but that was ages ago |
16:21:29 | Mekrob | sounds cool |
16:21:33 | tucoz | although doom works fine, i wouldn't buy an expensive player just to play doom |
16:21:48 | Mekrob | i heard you can play and mp3 while playing the game |
16:21:48 | tucoz | but thats me |
16:21:50 | Mekrob | im not |
16:21:57 | Mekrob | i want video and mp3s |
16:22:01 | Mekrob | but theyll get old |
16:22:10 | Mekrob | ill never get tired of killing |
16:22:30 | tucoz | yeah, with rockbox you can get a few extra years out of your player |
16:22:38 | tucoz | as long as the hardware is fine |
16:22:55 | chendo | my H340's lasted me a year and a half |
16:23:04 | chendo | battery was sucking but i replaced it |
16:23:07 | chendo | so now it's great |
16:23:10 | chendo | solid player |
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16:23:25 | chendo | iriver make good stuff... |
16:23:27 | Mekrob | the h340 takes a hella long time to load |
16:23:30 | tucoz | I think my h120 is 2.5 years old now. Still happy |
16:23:35 | tucoz | Mekrob, not with rockbox |
16:23:40 | chendo | played with a T10 2gb... very nice |
16:23:47 | chendo | Mekrob, it's just scanning all the files |
16:23:53 | chendo | which rockbox can optionally do |
16:23:55 | Mekrob | what is? |
16:24:31 | _FireFly_ | the h3xx scans the harddrive for music-files which it can play |
16:24:33 | _FireFly_ | on boot |
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16:24:52 | Mekrob | so it takes a long time? |
16:24:58 | chendo | on the iriver firmware |
16:25:04 | _FireFly_ | yepp with the stock firmware |
16:25:31 | Mekrob | well then im not getting that |
16:25:36 | chendo | ... |
16:25:42 | Mekrob | if i want to listen to music i want it then |
16:25:49 | chendo | that's why you install rockbox...... |
16:25:50 | Mekrob | not have to wait 8 more minutes |
16:25:53 | Mekrob | ohhhh |
16:26:00 | * | chendo slaps Mekrob |
16:26:01 | Mekrob | rockbox fixes it |
16:26:13 | _FireFly_ | Mekrob: only the original firmware is doing this, rockbox boots faster |
16:26:19 | tucoz | Mekrob, my h120 booted in like 20 seconds with the original firmware. With rockbox, it boots in around 5 seconds |
16:26:23 | Mekrob | how is video on the iriver |
16:26:30 | ashridah | crappy |
16:26:32 | tucoz | i would expect something similar on the h300's |
16:26:40 | ashridah | (and non-existent in rockbox atm) |
16:26:53 | Mekrob | well im looking for video |
16:26:55 | chendo | video is crappy on the iriver, but the screen's too small anyway |
16:26:56 | tucoz | Mekrob, maybe a ipod video is your best choice at the momen tehn |
16:26:57 | Mekrob | i travel a lot |
16:27:04 | chendo | if you want video, then buy a proper PMP |
16:27:07 | Mekrob | thats what i think |
16:27:12 | Mekrob | but it is expensive |
16:27:45 | dionoea | buy the archos AV 500 |
16:27:45 | Mekrob | i dont care about the ipod name |
16:27:51 | Mekrob | i want the functionality |
16:27:59 | Mekrob | is it good? |
16:28:03 | Mekrob | video? |
16:28:05 | dionoea | it looks good :) |
16:28:26 | dionoea | http://www.archos.com//products/tv_centric/index.html?country=global&lang=en |
16:29:02 | tucoz | maybe this one is an option, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X |
16:29:19 | Mekrob | lol |
16:29:28 | Mekrob | its more expensive then an ipod |
16:29:44 | Mekrob | anyone use the opera browser btw |
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16:31:04 | Mekrob | urg this ticks me off every time i click a link in opera it changes the page |
16:31:09 | Mekrob | and i cant see my tabs |
16:32:44 | Mekrob | everyone died i guess |
16:32:56 | dionoea | or nobody cares about opera :) |
16:33:17 | Mekrob | why |
16:33:20 | ashridah | what he said |
16:33:22 | Mekrob | what browser do you use |
16:33:32 | * | ashridah pats konqueror |
16:33:38 | dionoea | firefox |
16:33:43 | Mekrob | you have a mac |
16:33:47 | Mekrob | ash |
16:33:54 | Mekrob | i use firefox also |
16:34:06 | Mekrob | i use all 3 ie fire fox and opera |
16:34:15 | Mekrob | opera has a built in irc though |
16:34:28 | Mekrob | and voice commands |
16:34:29 | ashridah | Mekrob: what makes you think i have a mac? |
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16:35:04 | Mekrob | i thoought konqueror was for macs only |
16:35:07 | Mekrob | thought |
16:35:11 | dionoea | safari is macs |
16:35:15 | ashridah | uh, no |
16:35:19 | ashridah | you're thinking of safari |
16:35:19 | dionoea | and it's based on konqueror |
16:35:30 | Mekrob | yah |
16:35:31 | ashridah | it's based on KHTML |
16:35:38 | Mekrob | i used to have a mac |
16:35:44 | Mekrob | but sold it |
16:36:37 | Mekrob | i hate to admit but ipod does have the best out for its money now |
16:36:45 | Mekrob | i use to think it was just the name |
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16:37:03 | Mekrob | but no ohers compare for price:benefits |
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16:37:46 | Galois | I would never have gotten an ipod if not for rockbox |
16:37:54 | kerb | ditto |
16:38:03 | Mekrob | i want doom and black glass |
16:38:11 | Mekrob | thats why i want rockbox |
16:38:26 | kerb | I thought about the iAudio X5, but I'd have to import it since I didn't find anyone selling it for any reasonable price here in Norway |
16:38:38 | Mekrob | i will watch my movies in apples firmware until rockbox gets ironed out |
16:38:40 | kerb | And when I discovered Rockbox my prayers were answered :) |
16:38:43 | Galois | for me it doesn't count as a music player unless it plays ogg |
16:39:07 | tucoz | kerb, so what did you get? |
16:39:18 | kerb | tucoz: ipod 5g 60gb |
16:39:25 | tucoz | ok |
16:39:54 | Mekrob | wo |
16:40:01 | Mekrob | i like the i audio |
16:40:07 | Mekrob | does rock box wokr on it |
16:40:11 | Mekrob | work |
16:40:15 | tucoz | yes |
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16:40:43 | Mekrob | so i could play doom on this |
16:40:48 | Mekrob | what about video |
16:41:47 | tucoz | video in 15fps (mpeg4) |
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16:43:06 | Mekrob | is that same as ipod? |
16:43:47 | tucoz | I think the ipod video plays video at 30fps |
16:43:59 | tucoz | as it has a dedicated video chip |
16:44:06 | Mekrob | so it is worse quality |
16:44:18 | tucoz | 15fps is worse than 30fps, so yes |
16:44:57 | Mekrob | aw |
16:45:04 | Mekrob | i was almost convinced |
16:45:33 | dionoea | rockpaint lives ! http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/rockpaint_on_h3x0_1.png |
16:45:56 | tucoz | \o/ |
16:46:34 | dionoea | now i need to add save and load support so i don't have to draw a new frog every time :) |
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16:50:53 | Mekrob | wtf is an ogg file |
16:51:06 | dionoea | like mp3 |
16:51:09 | dionoea | but not mp3 |
16:51:16 | dionoea | an audio file most of the time |
16:51:32 | Mekrob | whats the difference |
16:51:40 | chendo | higher quality for same filesize. |
16:51:42 | dionoea | no patents |
16:51:51 | dionoea | or at least it's free to use |
16:51:54 | chendo | supports gapless playback easily |
16:52:14 | Mekrob | so is it better? |
16:52:23 | dionoea | yeah |
16:52:29 | Mekrob | and does windows media player support it? |
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16:53:19 | chendo | probably if you have codecs |
16:53:30 | Genre9mp3 | moring Xavi... |
16:53:34 | Genre9mp3 | morning |
16:53:50 | Mekrob | so is their a tool thatll convert my collection into oggs |
16:54:21 | XavierGr | morning! |
16:54:24 | tucoz | Mekrob, it's not very wise to convert from a lossy format to another lossy format |
16:54:31 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I was expecting you to wake up after 30 hours ;) |
16:54:37 | XavierGr | hehe |
16:54:54 | tucoz | rockbox supports a lot of different audio formats, including mp3 and ogg |
16:55:39 | Mekrob | huh |
16:55:52 | Mekrob | then what should my audio files be |
16:56:00 | dionoea | aac ? |
16:56:24 | PaulJam | Mekrob: in what format are your audoi files now? |
16:56:31 | Mekrob | mp3 |
16:56:45 | tucoz | why would you want to convert them to another format? |
16:56:55 | chendo | lossy format -> lossy format = bad. |
16:56:59 | Mekrob | he said it takes up less space |
16:57:03 | Mekrob | lossy? |
16:57:07 | Mekrob | then what should they be |
16:57:14 | chendo | lossless? |
16:57:17 | chendo | i'm off now. |
16:57:21 | PaulJam | then leave them as mp3, or rerip from cd to another format |
16:57:43 | Mekrob | there not from cds |
16:58:19 | tucoz | the size difference between ogg and mp3 is not that big |
16:59:24 | dionoea | does the font api make it possible to write somewhere else than on the screen ? (on a offscreen buffer) |
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17:00:29 | Mekrob | well if their the same quality and one is smaller why shouldnt i |
17:00:59 | lou | because oggs are not really smaller than mp3s |
17:01:06 | lou | we are talking about kilobytes here |
17:01:18 | Mekrob | so |
17:01:23 | lou | so why go through all the hassle |
17:01:39 | Mekrob | if it is the same quality and even one byte smaller why not |
17:01:48 | Mekrob | its one free byte |
17:01:49 | lou | and convert your mp3s (which are a lossy format aswell) into another lossy format |
17:01:56 | Mekrob | i have time to convert them |
17:01:57 | lou | just to save .0034 megs |
17:01:58 | Mekrob | its summer |
17:02:03 | tucoz | if you convert from mp3 to ogg then you'll end up with a bad sounding ogg |
17:02:11 | lou | what tucoz said |
17:02:21 | Mekrob | ... |
17:02:27 | Mekrob | well then nvm |
17:02:48 | tucoz | but if you convert from cd to ogg, some people say that a similiar sized cd->mp3 will sound worse than the ogg. |
17:03:18 | Mekrob | i usually dont go from cd |
17:04:02 | |reezeh| | converting to another format - even if you could do it without losing any quality - just to save a kB or 2 is pointless... the cluster size of the disk partition won't allow you to save any space :) |
17:04:26 | Mekrob | if i got the freedom doom 2 thin, can i use custom maps |
17:04:32 | Mikachu | i think reiser does tail packing |
17:04:36 | Mekrob | or do i need the one from the actual disk |
17:04:47 | dionoea | reiserfs on rockbox ?:) |
17:05:30 | |reezeh| | if your hard disk is formatted to say FAT32 ... and it is summat like a 20GB partition, then the space taken up is a full set of drive clusters - you won't save any space whatsoever |
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17:06:52 | |reezeh| | offhand i can't remember what size a cluster is for a disk partition that size, but best usage for FAT32 is just below 8GB per partition... that is just an example |
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17:08:58 | Mekrob | 8-) |
17:09:15 | |reezeh| | Mekrob: you using FAT32? |
17:09:24 | |reezeh| | and on what? ;) |
17:09:35 | Mekrob | i have no idea |
17:09:42 | Mekrob | im on windows xp though |
17:09:45 | |reezeh| | there you go... |
17:09:47 | |reezeh| | ah |
17:09:51 | |reezeh| | probably ntfs |
17:10:07 | stripwax | reezeh - what was the question? |
17:10:48 | |reezeh| | Mekrob wants to squeeze mebbe a few bytes disc space outta his collection by converting to another format |
17:12:15 | |reezeh| | a few peeps have already mentioned that lossy - lossy is at best a bad idea |
17:12:31 | stripwax | it is. |
17:12:43 | |reezeh| | i was mentioning the fact that trying to save a few bytes is as equally pointless |
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17:13:06 | stripwax | rerip from the source into a better lossy format; saving a few bytes is not 'pointless' if you can store more tracks on your dap |
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17:15:10 | |reezeh| | depends... a FAT32 partition with 4kB cluster size will round up the disk space used for any file to fill the clusters... eg: a 5kB file will take up 8kB |
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17:16:31 | |reezeh| | only way round that is to archive everything into something like a zip file (but with a compressed format like mp3, ogg, mpc and so on) the archiving might just make them take up more room again anyway |
17:17:02 | stripwax | reezeh - true but if you rerip from 160kbps mp3 to 128kbps ogg, you save about 4KB per second .. |
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17:17:15 | stripwax | (4KB per second per track ..) |
17:18:24 | |reezeh| | if you go from lossless to lossy, fair enough... but not to go from mp3 to ogg - which someone ( a few actually) mention above |
17:18:42 | stripwax | so forget about cluster size - ripping into a 'better' lossy format (i.e. lower bitrate for equivalent quality) will save disk space |
17:19:00 | stripwax | why would going from high bitrate mp3 to low bitrate ogg not save disk space? |
17:19:47 | |reezeh| | will work, but every1 advises against it... and if the saving is miniscule it won't be worth it generally |
17:20:00 | stripwax | hmmm.. |
17:20:30 | |reezeh| | best you can get soundwise too is an ogg that sounds like the mp3 |
17:20:43 | |reezeh| | if you are lucky ;) |
17:20:52 | stripwax | no, like i said, reripping from the original source. NOT from the mp3 ... |
17:21:11 | |reezeh| | well... from the original, great |
17:22:35 | |reezeh| | a Q5 ogg should do the trick... sounding better than a 192kbps mp3 ... and probably saving a good 1MB per 3.5 mins audio |
17:22:47 | |reezeh| | that IS a worthwhile effort |
17:23:01 | stripwax | I'd reckon so |
17:23:19 | |reezeh| | but to save 1 byte... |
17:23:25 | |reezeh| | would you even try? |
17:23:28 | |reezeh| | i won't |
17:24:02 | stripwax | what makes you think it would save only 1 byte? |
17:24:05 | stripwax | .me is pretty confused |
17:25:32 | |reezeh| | Mekrob was after trying to save small amounts... all i am saying is that if there are appreciable gains, by all means - give it a go, but otherwise - give it a miss |
17:30:19 | Mekrob | i didnt mean one byte |
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17:30:41 | |reezeh| | also, if Mekrob is after convering his mp3's to ogg, he could end up with worse sounding files |
17:30:51 | Mekrob | i was saying figurtively even if it was one byte its still one more byte then i had free |
17:31:08 | |reezeh| | Mekrob: yea i know mate... just taking an instance about summat you said earlier |
17:31:29 | Mikachu | i think converting mp3 > 192kbps to ogg ~100kbps is not crazy if you have an ipod nano |
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17:32:00 | |reezeh| | Mikachu: i think he was on about mp3 to ogg |
17:32:16 | Mekrob | ok |
17:32:17 | Mikachu | yes? |
17:32:26 | |reezeh| | Mekrob: am i right there: mp3 to ogg? |
17:33:41 | Mekrob | yah |
17:33:48 | Mekrob | thats what i was going to do |
17:34:12 | markun | Mekrob: just don't delete the original mp3 files from your computer |
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17:34:49 | |reezeh| | only chance all round is if those mp3's are at the best quality that an mp3 can be... (by the way: don't get rid of them as markun just said) |
17:35:37 | PaulJam | the problem with transcoding lossy to lossy is, that often people expect the new file to sound equal or even better then the old file |
17:35:57 | stripwax | right, it'll never sound better, and at best will sound 'the same' |
17:36:01 | PaulJam | and if it doesn't, they blame the codec |
17:36:07 | |reezeh| | you will be very lucky if you get as good |
17:36:28 | stripwax | right (so, re-encode from the original source....) |
17:36:43 | |reezeh| | Mekrob: how lossy sound codecs work is by chucking away data - permanently |
17:36:58 | PaulJam | the problem is, that he doesn't have the original sources |
17:37:01 | |reezeh| | that's why they are called "lossy" |
17:37:31 | stripwax | PaulJam - oh, no-one said that yet. In that case he's probably s.o.l... |
17:38:20 | PaulJam | s.o.l.?? |
17:38:26 | Mikachu | shit out of luck |
17:38:29 | tucoz | Mekrob, in any case. You can try to convert some tracks and see if you are happy with the results. I think dbpoweramp can help you with that |
17:38:50 | |reezeh| | imho if you haven't got the original lossless files (cd / dvd / flac / monkey's audio and so on...) best thing you can do is to put all your mp3's onto cd-r / rw or dvd+-r/rw |
17:38:52 | PaulJam | thanks Mikachu. |
17:38:59 | |reezeh| | then try it |
17:39:07 | |reezeh| | but don't lose your mp3's |
17:42:11 | Mekrob | im just gunna stick with it |
17:42:25 | stripwax | probably easiest! |
17:42:26 | Mekrob | and ive decided to get the i audion mp3 payer |
17:44:42 | markun | tucoz: my girlfriend (who is not color-blind like me) told me the color of BOX in the svg logo is not correct. What do you think? |
17:45:00 | tucoz | hmm. I'll have to check |
17:45:18 | markun | according to her it's not gray but a bit blueish |
17:45:32 | tucoz | she is right |
17:46:02 | tucoz | didn't notice that, but the png uses a texture for that |
17:46:31 | markun | We could use some gradients to get a similar effect perhaps |
17:47:49 | tucoz | sure |
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17:49:23 | tucoz | I picked some colours from the png logo, and got r=174, g=192, b=208 |
17:49:24 | Mekrob | whats flac |
17:49:48 | tucoz | a lossless format. It doesn't remove anything from the original, just compress it |
17:50:12 | |reezeh| | flac = Free Lossless Audio Compression |
17:50:42 | PaulJam | it is comparable to zip, but only for audio files |
17:50:48 | |reezeh| | is exact copy of the original - just as tucoz said |
17:53:52 | saa[b_r]ider | guys have you seen the replacement USB logo PaulJam made? |
17:54:03 | tucoz | markun, do you think it is possible to get the writing in the bottom right corner in the logo as well? |
17:54:10 | tucoz | i.e. in the svg logo |
17:54:34 | stripwax | saa[b_r]ider - can't say I have , no |
17:55:52 | tucoz | markun, what program do you use to work with the logo? |
17:57:01 | stripwax | Any info on this commit? : "Jens firmware/system.c 1.111 Iriver: faster ata timing". How much faster is 'faster' (or how much of the available ata bandwidth were we using before, and now?) |
17:57:38 | stripwax | tucoz - I think w3.org have a link to a free svg editor btw |
17:57:46 | markun | tucoz: I use sodipodi |
17:58:04 | tucoz | ok. I use inkscape now |
17:58:05 | markun | I can do the writing as well |
17:58:10 | tucoz | cool |
17:59:00 | markun | But not now as I am not at home |
17:59:02 | bluebrother | tucoz, I used inkscape some time ago. |
17:59:33 | bluebrother | (but not for rockbox ;-) |
17:59:35 | tucoz | ok, but i'll leave this to markun :) |
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18:00:16 | tucoz | wonder what that font is called |
18:00:29 | saa[b_r]ider | stripwax: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2941/dump0606181236421ou.gif (PaulJam I hope you don't mind) |
18:00:41 | PaulJam | i don#T MIND |
18:00:56 | PaulJam | sorry for the caps |
18:01:05 | saa[b_r]ider | no problemo ;) |
18:01:17 | stripwax | saa[b_r]ider/PaulJam - looks pretty neat; I'd personally like something like 'USB Connected' to appear too btw. All that screenspace going to waster.. |
18:01:21 | stripwax | ^waster^waste .. |
18:01:35 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: Nice |
18:02:24 | saa[b_r]ider | I think this logo kicks ass.. maybe we could have USB connected written as well. but as PaulJam noted, there might be rights issue since it's based on the logo from the iRiver firmware.. |
18:02:32 | saa[b_r]ider | but it has been highly modified |
18:02:41 | tucoz | bluebrother, I asked around at the latex channel for tips on html output. I got a link from a guy over there, and he had used tex4ht |
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18:03:07 | saa[b_r]ider | looks much better than the current logo imho, apologies to the current logo's designer :) |
18:03:12 | bluebrother | tucoz, I already tried tex4ht which gave the best results of all converters I tried. |
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18:03:19 | tucoz | bluebrother, http://www.tlhiv.org/vitae/ <- we could probably get some tips from there |
18:03:21 | stripwax | saa[b_r]ider/PaulJam - hrm, probably best to just draw our own in the same style, rather than base 'anything' on the iriver firmware.. |
18:03:27 | tucoz | like the makefile, and sourcecode |
18:03:30 | bluebrother | on my machine it unforutnately had problems with the button macros. |
18:05:14 | bluebrother | but I had only a quick look into it up to now. |
18:05:25 | * | bluebrother needs more time for hacking |
18:05:35 | tucoz | he uses \ifx\Htmltrue in the source to get some stuff right |
18:05:44 | Mekrob | hey anyone know a program that can play flash videos |
18:05:58 | tucoz | macromedia flash player |
18:06:17 | Mekrob | no |
18:06:21 | Mekrob | i mean like on comp |
18:06:24 | Mekrob | like wmp |
18:06:31 | stripwax | "on comp" ? |
18:06:32 | Mekrob | i cant find a codec |
18:06:33 | PaulJam | Mekrob: you could try IrfanView with a plugin |
18:06:41 | saa[b_r]ider | stripwax: it would be cool if we had just a large USB logo (which is on the USB plug) filling the screen... |
18:06:50 | Mekrob | i tried irfan but it just displayed one image |
18:06:51 | stripwax | saa[b_r]ider - that would look good. |
18:07:06 | saa[b_r]ider | it actually looks a bit devilish :p |
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18:07:26 | Mekrob | i want one that will display the entire video |
18:07:27 | stripwax | saa[b_r]ider - heh ;-) |
18:08:09 | tucoz | http://www.hardware-bastelkiste.de/pict/logo/icon_usb.gif :) |
18:08:19 | stripwax | Mekrob - what's wrong with using the adobe flash player to play the video? |
18:08:27 | stripwax | tucoz - :-D cute |
18:08:37 | Mekrob | is it free? |
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18:08:42 | bluebrother | tucoz, nice logo. I'll vote for that :D |
18:08:57 | Mekrob | and it will play an .swf video |
18:09:18 | stripwax | Mekrob - it's free. Adobe took over the Macromedia assets |
18:09:32 | Mekrob | so i can dl it on my comp |
18:09:40 | Mekrob | then it will play my .swf videos |
18:09:48 | tucoz | Mekrob, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swf#Players |
18:10:18 | saa[b_r]ider | tucoz: sweet.. but too detailed for the player |
18:10:27 | stripwax | Mekrob - the macromedia player is the only way of playing macromedia files, as far as I know ... (?) http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/triggerpages_mmcom/flash.html |
18:10:54 | bluebrother | Mekrob, you can simply drop .swf files to your browser. |
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18:11:57 | Mekrob | i want it so i can installl it on a comp with no interent and still be able to watch them |
18:12:11 | tucoz | Mekrob, http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/flash_movie_player/ |
18:12:37 | Mekrob | yah i just dled it |
18:13:48 | bluebrother | tucoz, it is really strange. When running plan latex on rockbox.tex on my machine I get a pdf file :/ |
18:20:57 | markun | I was able to compress the png images for the manual to 70%, is there anything else we can do to make it smaller? |
18:25:16 | dionoea | smaller than png is going to be hard :) |
18:25:58 | bluebrother | I think the actual manual size is ok −− we're below 1 MiB already :) |
18:27:22 | markun | dionoea: I was talking about the rest of the manual |
18:27:36 | markun | not the png images |
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18:28:07 | markun | but yes, the size is not bad right now |
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18:28:57 | Kronuz | hello |
18:29:26 | stripwax | another error with the svg logo : the 'b' of box comes in front of the 'k' of rock, but in the original logo the k is in front! |
18:29:44 | Mikachu | no, it isn't |
18:29:55 | Mikachu | or rather, in half of the logos it's in front and in the other half it is behind |
18:30:01 | tucoz | markun, we could make vector versions of the player-fronts :) |
18:30:09 | Kronuz | To export the file, type: make zip |
18:30:14 | Kronuz | what's that about? |
18:30:18 | Kronuz | (exporting the file) |
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18:30:56 | dionoea | where do the debug messages get printed when runing a SDL sim with debug enabled ? |
18:31:52 | stripwax | Mikachu - oh ok. well, which is correct? :-) |
18:31:54 | PaulJam | Kronuz: it creates a zip file similar to what you can download at the daily builds page. you just need to extract the zip to the root of your player. |
18:31:58 | Mikachu | stripwax: no idea |
18:32:03 | tucoz | bluebrother, know what. I get the same. If I run the pdflatex command, I get This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) |
18:32:09 | tucoz | the same happens when I run latex |
18:32:13 | Kronuz | PaulJam: oh, that's cool :) |
18:32:14 | bluebrother | tucoz, any idea what goes wrong here? http://pastebin.com/716682 |
18:32:36 | Kronuz | hey, the provided VMWare image it's totally awesome!! |
18:32:47 | tucoz | bluebrother, I think you should run htlatex instead |
18:32:52 | Kronuz | honestly, I really love it :) |
18:33:11 | bluebrother | tucoz, the strange thing is when running latex (which symlinks to pdfetex on my system) on a small test file it produces a dvi as expected. |
18:33:35 | tucoz | hmm. that is weird |
18:33:44 | bluebrother | it seems as htlatex relies on that dvi to extract the content −− but without it will fail |
18:34:09 | bluebrother | another strange thing: I had results before I reinstalled my box −− fc3 vs. fc5 |
18:34:43 | tucoz | bluebrother, try to change to htlatex in the makefile |
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18:35:32 | Febs | I think I just reached my breaking point with people who write messages in the forum using no punctuation. |
18:35:43 | tucoz | when I run tex4ht, it bails out immediately giving an Improper dvi file error. |
18:36:02 | Febs | Is it too much to ask that people use basic punctuation? |
18:36:20 | Febs | Apparently so. |
18:36:28 | tucoz | with htlatex, it compiles for some time |
18:36:56 | Febs | Then you ask them to use punctuation, and they write "im sorry i didnt use punctuation can u answer my question" |
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18:37:02 | tucoz | hehe |
18:37:03 | Febs | GGGRRRRRRRR. |
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18:37:28 | Mikachu | don't forums have /ignore? |
18:37:29 | bluebrother | tucoz, I tried it changing the makefile. It even generates me a .dvi −− but that is empty :( |
18:37:34 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: Haha...link? |
18:37:34 | tucoz | you should be happy that they don't use leet-speak. that is so hard to read |
18:37:41 | Mikachu | 17 15? |
18:37:54 | tucoz | yes |
18:38:07 | Febs | Link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4895.0 |
18:38:12 | Febs | You'll see that I am not exaggerating. |
18:38:18 | Mikachu | 50rr`/ |
18:38:26 | tucoz | it forces my brain to take the text to another step of translation |
18:38:30 | tucoz | through |
18:38:44 | |reezeh| | ttfn |
18:38:55 | bluebrother | ok, tetex-2.0.2 produced at least something. Now I have tetex-3.0 |
18:39:10 | Kronuz | wow this channel is so much more active at this time of the day :P |
18:39:43 | bluebrother | Febs, answer without using any spaces ;-) |
18:39:53 | Febs | haha! |
18:39:59 | stripwax | Febs - gosh, that is quite bad |
18:39:59 | Genre9mp3 | LOL |
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18:40:02 | stripwax | ;-) |
18:40:25 | amiconn | stripwax: The ata timing changes increase access speed by 20% on average |
18:40:30 | tucoz | haha, that is a funny thread |
18:40:38 | Mikachu | Febs: or filter everything through this perl script http://www.jwz.org/hacks/scrmable.pl |
18:40:38 | bluebrother | that is really great ... "this is so stressful for me". Writing is stressful? |
18:41:06 | XavierGr | amiconn: did you hear about my benchmark results? |
18:41:18 | earHertz | bluebrother: maybe he's autistic |
18:42:08 | Mikachu | Febs: it makes tinhgs qutie dffiiuclt to ierptrnet |
18:42:15 | Mikachu | heh |
18:42:21 | XavierGr | amiconn: it went better than your estimation. |
18:42:30 | XavierGr | amiconn: 30 hours and 20 minutes!!! :D |
18:42:30 | amiconn | yes, read that |
18:42:31 | bluebrother | earHertz, thats a point −− but it makes it really hard for people that aren't. |
18:42:34 | XavierGr | ah okay |
18:42:39 | bluebrother | Mikachu, great script :) |
18:43:34 | earHertz | bluebrother: I agree. it takes extra work to puuzzle out the meaning. I excoriated somebody on teh mailing list for it too |
18:44:15 | stripwax | amiconn - thx, that's pretty decent actually. is it stable? |
18:44:42 | dionoea | does the api provide a file browser dialog ? (i couldn't find one ... ideally something that would return a char *) |
18:44:57 | toed | is it normal that if I'm listening to music and playing xobox at the same time that the music skips from time to time (ipod 5g 60gb) |
18:45:09 | dionoea | toed: yes, unfortunately :( |
18:45:11 | earHertz | toed: skips or pauses |
18:45:14 | earHertz | ? |
18:45:14 | Febs | Here we go: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4895.0 Scary thing is that he'll probably understand that. |
18:45:24 | toed | pauses, actually |
18:45:26 | dionoea | toed: it's due to the lcd driver being too slow on the 5g |
18:45:31 | toed | that's a terrible shame :( |
18:45:38 | toed | are there any games that don't cause pauses? |
18:45:39 | tucoz | Febs, hehe |
18:45:47 | Mikachu | i thought it was because xobox yielded to seldomly |
18:45:52 | earHertz | Febs, that's just cruel |
18:46:00 | Mikachu | oops, seldom is an adverb already :) |
18:46:16 | dionoea | Mikachu: well it's because the lcd drawing routines take too long :) |
18:46:22 | earHertz | toed: my patch will increase the lcd speed just a little bit |
18:46:23 | bluebrother | oh, a support "bug" again: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5567 |
18:46:25 | stripwax | Febs - awesome |
18:46:34 | toed | earHertz: neat, where can I find it? |
18:46:41 | earHertz | on the patch tracker |
18:47:26 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: ROFLMAO |
18:47:33 | bluebrother | Febs, scary :) |
18:47:43 | earHertz | toed: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4771.msg35884#msg35884 |
18:48:05 | toed | thanks |
18:49:24 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: You should add this to FAQ |
18:49:55 | Febs | Read his response. The sarcasm was apparently completely lost on him. |
18:49:57 | tucoz | Febs, he understood :)) |
18:50:14 | Febs | Unbelievable. |
18:50:16 | dionoea | hehe |
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18:50:27 | XavierGr | I am always suprised to see that some native english speakers write worse than us! |
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18:51:27 | Febs | I wouldn't be so hard on these folks if they were non-native English speakers. |
18:51:29 | XavierGr | now every one is in this thread LOL |
18:52:09 | Genre9mp3 | Do we know for sure if he is a native speaker? |
18:52:15 | earHertz | that's th4 thing, I can only imagine how difficult it is for non-native english speaakers to read porrly written abbreviated english |
18:53:11 | Febs | It's extremely rare that a non-native speaker uses "words" like "u" and "plz." |
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18:53:46 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: Yes, you are right |
18:54:47 | Genre9mp3 | In fact It seems more difficult to me to talk like that |
18:55:12 | bluebrother | damn, how do I hate those support "bugs". |
18:55:14 | bluebrother | grrr. |
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18:58:32 | Mekrob | hey im back and i got more question |
18:58:54 | stripwax | great! |
18:59:30 | earHertz | has anyone other than midkay triee my scroll acceleration build?' |
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19:00:35 | earHertz | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4887.0 |
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19:07:21 | XavierGr | GOAL! :p |
19:07:38 | XavierGr | (ok I should shut up) |
19:08:19 | Xerion | fun how in all sorts of channels someone yells GOAL :p |
19:08:43 | Mikachu | not so much fun as annoying |
19:08:49 | XavierGr | ouch! |
19:09:00 | Mikachu | i don't like football :P |
19:09:21 | XavierGr | we have many football haters here. :p |
19:09:52 | XavierGr | I am not a great fun myself, but it is the world champion! |
19:09:59 | dionoea | who's playing ? |
19:10:06 | stripwax | Brazil Australia |
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19:18:39 | Kronuz | hey, what's the page for the experimental builds? |
19:19:22 | stripwax | Kronuz - "experimental" ? |
19:20:08 | Kronuz | well, yesterday I found a page in rockbox website were they had a cvs build with many experimental patches |
19:20:16 | Kronuz | but now I can't find it :P |
19:20:42 | Kronuz | (for the iPod that is) |
19:21:20 | PaulJam | have you looked in the forums at rockbox.org |
19:21:24 | stripwax | Kronuz - well I don't know of anything within the rockbox website - but search the forums |
19:21:42 | Kronuz | hmm, probably it was in the forums |
19:21:47 | Kronuz | I can't really remember |
19:22:10 | Kronuz | yep, there it is :) thanks |
19:22:15 | stripwax | Kronuz - luckily there's a "search" butt ong ;-) |
19:22:20 | stripwax | ^buttong^ button !! |
19:22:41 | * | stripwax curses his speech recognition software ;-) |
19:22:55 | Kronuz | I tried seatch in the main rockbox page but didn't find it |
19:23:04 | Kronuz | it's on the forums alright :) |
19:23:19 | stripwax | (the search button in the forums!) |
19:23:42 | Kronuz | lol,now that I know :) |
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19:28:22 | Kronuz | finally building rockbox :) |
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19:47:47 | stripwax | 2 - 0! |
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19:50:44 | petur | so what? |
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19:52:17 | Mekrob | hi all |
19:53:05 | Kronuz | hey, what happens if I do 'ipodpatcher -w' to a device that's not an iPod? |
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19:53:12 | Kronuz | hello Mekrob :) |
19:55:00 | Mekrob | hi |
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20:07:52 | stripwax | Kronuz - well I wouldn't recommend trying it .. |
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20:09:07 | Kronuz | :S |
20:09:26 | Kronuz | stripwax: do the ipod gets a new device number every time you connect it? |
20:09:30 | Mekrob | anyone here have an i audio x5 or has seen one outside of images |
20:09:54 | Kronuz | stripwax: ir just if I connect it to a different USB? or when? |
20:09:55 | Bagder | Mekrob: yes |
20:10:04 | Mekrob | which |
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20:10:11 | Mekrob | do you own or have seen one |
20:10:14 | Bagder | both |
20:10:18 | Bagder | :-) |
20:10:48 | Mekrob | the video is slower then ipod right? does that make the videos look bad |
20:11:02 | Bagder | I don't know |
20:11:10 | Mekrob | and if you have a webcam could you tape one of your videos and put it on youtube |
20:11:22 | Bagder | I don't have any videos |
20:11:27 | Bagder | and I never watch videos |
20:11:32 | Mekrob | ok |
20:11:35 | Bagder | and I never saw an ipod show them either |
20:11:51 | Mekrob | then anyone have an iaudio x5 and watches video |
20:12:01 | Mekrob | or has seen video on the i audio x5 |
20:12:07 | Bagder | try the iaudiophile.net forums |
20:13:08 | PaulJam | I have seen a viedeo on my sisters x5, but the screen is very tiny , but the framerate is ok |
20:15:39 | PaulJam | if video is important for you then i suggeest to look for an ipod video or a pmp device |
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20:17:58 | Mekrob | its not very important but i want video |
20:18:10 | Mekrob | and ipod is wayy to expensive |
20:18:52 | saa[b_r]ider | the X5's screen is smaller than the H300's... |
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20:19:02 | saa[b_r]ider | makes watching video difficult |
20:19:35 | saa[b_r]ider | have you considered a ZVM? |
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20:22:51 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/ |
20:24:56 | hardeep | that reminds me, office depot in the us has the sandisk e260 for $120 which sounds like a pretty good deal |
20:25:16 | Bagder | indeed |
20:25:47 | hardeep | ooooh, didn't see the mp3 player porn at the bottom |
20:25:56 | Bagder | :-) |
20:26:37 | Bagder | not very useful, but fun |
20:26:49 | midkay | Bagder, "as it seems the '16386' chip is 2GB while the 4GB one seems to be marked '32768'" - i hope you've figured that 32768/8 = 4096 [mb]= 4GB.. :) |
20:27:05 | Bagder | hehe |
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20:44:37 | Kronuz | what's the rockboxlogo.220x68x16.bmp for? |
20:44:42 | Kronuz | iPod Nano? |
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20:46:04 | PaulJam | iriver h300 and ipod photo |
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20:46:10 | Kronuz | oh |
20:46:15 | boulty | i have the iRiver H140 with the latest rockbox installed but I can't get wavs to play... any ideas on what could be wrong? |
20:46:22 | Kronuz | and if I apply the fullscreen logo patch |
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20:46:29 | Kronuz | still uses the same name? |
20:46:36 | Kronuz | but it changes the resolution? |
20:47:17 | PaulJam | what is the resolution of the nano? |
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20:47:40 | Kronuz | dunno, for the iPod 5G is 320x200? |
20:48:29 | obo | 320x240 |
20:49:15 | Kronuz | oh |
20:49:21 | Kronuz | whoohoo!! |
20:49:25 | obo | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart has the resolutions |
20:49:27 | Kronuz | finally my very own build :) |
20:49:48 | Kronuz | that was a cakewalk with the wiki and the VMWare :) |
20:51:37 | earHertz | Kronuz: i TOLS YOUI TO USE TH EVMWARE |
20:51:59 | Kronuz | :) |
20:52:04 | Kronuz | thank you :) |
20:52:30 | Kronuz | to change the boot logo , do I have to recompile? |
20:52:42 | PaulJam | yes |
20:52:49 | Kronuz | :( |
20:52:53 | Kronuz | oh well |
20:53:29 | earHertz | why would you chnage teh logo? |
20:53:36 | Kronuz | dunno |
20:53:39 | Kronuz | why not? |
20:53:40 | Kronuz | :P |
20:53:56 | earHertz | theere was some guiy who did that, and then he sold "his" software on ebay. |
20:54:03 | PaulJam | do you use a patch for changing the bootlogo? |
20:54:36 | PaulJam | or do you change it manually in the sources? |
20:54:40 | tucoz | \away |
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20:55:05 | tucoz | boulty, wavs should play fine on a h140 |
20:55:43 | boulty | I don't why they don't play. They played fine on the latest official firmware update |
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20:56:41 | tucoz | try to record a few seconds, and try to play that file |
20:56:44 | tucoz | that is a wav |
20:57:18 | tucoz | what happens when you try to play them? |
20:58:09 | boulty | it just doesn't play them.. filename comes up but the kbps and info just has ????'s |
20:58:50 | Kronuz | hey, to play doom, where do I have to put the WAD? |
20:58:57 | Kronuz | or what else do I need? |
20:59:02 | tucoz | Kronuz, check the PluginDoom wikipage |
20:59:08 | Kronuz | hmm |
20:59:33 | tucoz | boulty, wavs play fine on mine (using the latest cvs build). |
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21:01:43 | boulty | strange, recorded ones seem to play fine.. I can't work out why the ones of bands I have recorded don't work. I know they are deffinately 16/44.1 PCM wav |
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21:02:10 | tucoz | ok |
21:02:31 | PaulJam | wasn't there a problem with wavs that were created by a certain programm? |
21:02:44 | boulty | i use wavelab |
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21:04:58 | linuxstb_ | boulty: Have your WAVs ever worked in Rockbox? |
21:05:58 | linuxstb_ | I know wavelab likes to add extra RIFF chunks in WAV files, but I would have hoped Rockbox could handle that. |
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21:19:40 | liyang | Yallo. |
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21:20:25 | liyang | Quick question if anyone happens to be able to answer it right now... |
21:22:14 | liyang | when creating the rockbox-enabled image file (according to the installation instructions), won't the fact that you've not included the BRCM firmware impact the ability to play videos when you boot back into Apple's FW? |
21:22:39 | Genre9mp3 | hardeep: around? |
21:23:06 | liyang | (um, on video iPods, I mean.) |
21:23:51 | lou | rockbox does not do video playback and no it wont interfere with the ability of the original apple fw to play videos |
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21:23:59 | Kronuz | liyang: don't think so.. videos still work on mine |
21:24:27 | liyang | lou: I'm aware of the first part. :) |
21:24:53 | boulty | linuxstb (sorry people at the door) I only just recently got rockbox on the latest CV build so it hasn't ever played wavs for me no heh |
21:25:01 | lou | i wasnt sure what exactly your question was supposed to mean so i answered both possible questions :) |
21:25:04 | liyang | I'm just curious where Apple's FW is finding the VideoCore FW on the patched devices... |
21:25:22 | lou | no idea where but it does |
21:25:50 | liyang | given the installation instructions omitted that part when building the new boot partition. |
21:26:13 | lou | well rockbox always boots into ... rockbox |
21:26:29 | lou | but you can manually boot into apples fw and in there video playback works |
21:26:38 | liyang | I still intend to use the Apple FW for video and photos... |
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21:26:50 | lou | you have to |
21:27:02 | liyang | Well yes. :) |
21:27:05 | lou | well rockbox can show pictures (jpgs) |
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21:27:16 | liyang | Slowly. :) |
21:27:23 | lou | and sloppy :> |
21:28:19 | liyang | And no TV output. =) |
21:28:25 | lou | *shrug* i almost exclusivley listen to music on my ipod. so i am not in the situation to worry too much about picture and video playback |
21:28:49 | liyang | it's the /almost/ part I'm thinking about. :) |
21:29:01 | lou | hehe |
21:29:04 | liyang | Occasionally it's useful when visiting people. |
21:29:09 | lou | ya |
21:29:33 | lou | but be assured that you can simply boot back into apples fw and video and picture playback works like before |
21:30:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | How is the Rockbox picture display worse than Apple other than lack of thumbnails? |
21:31:13 | lou | seems slower |
21:31:31 | Kronuz | hi Paul_The_Nerd :) |
21:31:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you scaled the images down like Apple does? |
21:31:44 | liyang | I'm `worried' the fact that it still works is voodoo. i.e. it's just finding the VC firmware at the old location on the HD. |
21:31:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apple displays a thumbnail sized to your screen, which is part of why you can't zoom the image. |
21:32:18 | lou | so? |
21:32:21 | liyang | JPEG decoding is not done on the PP side. |
21:32:27 | liyang | Hence it's /fast/. |
21:32:53 | liyang | (Find the missing step in that implication. ;) |
21:32:58 | Kronuz | hmm wikipedia on rockbox? |
21:33:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I asked, have you tried scaling your images to the thumbnail size iPod scales them to, and comparing the speed? |
21:33:56 | Kronuz | baybe a ThumbsCache will be needed :P? |
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21:38:35 | liyang | Has anyone dissected / written up the files on the BRCM firmware? It's just a FAT-16 disk image. |
21:38:55 | lou | (Paul_The_Nerd) As I asked, have you tried scaling your images to the thumbnail size iPod scales them to, and comparing the speed? |
21:38:58 | lou | no |
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21:39:19 | lou | because i dont have to put that effort in when i simply use the original fw |
21:39:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then, what basis of comparison to do you have to compare Rockbox's JPEG decode speed? |
21:39:37 | lou | my personal feeling |
21:39:38 | liyang | (the hardware. =) |
21:39:51 | Kronuz | why do they say it's not possible to have wikipedia on Rockbox? that's gibberish |
21:39:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Who sasy? |
21:40:00 | liyang | Who said that? |
21:40:06 | Kronuz | I found a couple posts on the internet |
21:40:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | liyang: What hardware? |
21:40:21 | liyang | Paul_The_Nerd: the BCM2722 |
21:40:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | liyang: That's in one iPod. Meanwhile, photos are available in 3 models. |
21:41:02 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: i think even with scaled down pictures the ipod fw is faster; on the ipod photo some people managed some kind of videoplayback by skipping fast through pictures. |
21:41:03 | Kronuz | some posts say you need iPod Linux or otherwise it's not possible and that it won't work on iPod 5G :P |
21:41:11 | Kronuz | who writes that shit :P |
21:41:12 | liyang | I'm talking about this one model. |
21:41:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: The iPod actually caches several thumbnails, actually. If you push it too fast, it falls behind, at least when I tested. |
21:41:44 | liyang | Kronuz: chill. Everything on the intarweb is a lie anyway. =) |
21:41:51 | Kronuz | hehe |
21:41:53 | Kronuz | :) |
21:41:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | liyang: And your evidence that Apple uses the broadcom chip to decode jpegs is where? |
21:42:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: Though that is with the Nano |
21:42:48 | Kronuz | Rockbox says my battery will last about 8 1/2 hours on my iPod, playing MP3s (full charge) |
21:42:53 | Kronuz | is that alright? |
21:42:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not saying that Rockbox isn't slower, but at least A) Make your statements clear, and B) Issue a basis on which you've made that comparison so people know if you've actually TESTED the statements you're making. |
21:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: Probably not |
21:43:02 | liyang | Paul_The_Nerd: nowhere. You're right. I'm just confused. :) |
21:43:11 | PaulJam | I don't know. It was some tome ago, that i have read about it |
21:43:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: I've read about it too, and you can scroll through them moderately quickly, but you can also go past the limit. |
21:44:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | liyang: That being said, Rockbox very likely is slower, but more likely simply because nobody's bothered to try to make it fast, than any strange hardware tricks apple is doing. |
21:44:32 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: But at least it is way faster than rockbox. |
21:44:34 | Kronuz | Paul_The_Nerd: not as in that it will last less/more and the legend is wrong or not as in my iPod the legend is different from what you would generally expect? |
21:45:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: It's not that much faster at all if you scale down the JPEGs to the tiny resolutions the apple firmware uses. |
21:46:33 | Kronuz | there should be a RockTunes :P |
21:46:34 | Kronuz | :)) |
21:47:23 | liyang | I've just remembered reading somewhere that Apple doesn't actually decode JPEGs on the iPod 4/5Gs but stores raw thumbnails. iTunes puts the originals on your iPod purely as a convenience. |
21:47:32 | preglow | hah |
21:47:40 | preglow | i know they preprocess them |
21:47:43 | preglow | but to go that far... |
21:47:48 | liyang | So scaling your JPEGs down still wouldn't be a fair test. |
21:48:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think they're raw |
21:48:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I seem to recall finding them as jpegs. |
21:48:20 | preglow | jpegs that small should be fast to decode anyway |
21:48:36 | liyang | Well, something close enough to raw anyway. |
21:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, I must be off. Movie marathon and other fun stuff. |
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21:50:15 | linuxstb | liyang: The "rockboot.bin" you create contains the Broadcom firmware - that's why it's about 11MB in size... |
21:51:25 | liyang | linuxstb: there's also a third and fourth part to the boot partition... |
21:52:09 | linuxstb | The bootloader update image and the hibernation image? |
21:52:24 | liyang | ah hah. Good to know. =) |
21:52:48 | liyang | (Hibernation? o.O) |
21:52:58 | Kronuz | those are partitions in the iPod memory, not the hard drive? |
21:53:04 | Kronuz | the first two |
21:53:07 | linuxstb | AppleOS will create the hibernation image. You don't need the bootloader update after the first time you've installed that version of the Apple firmware. |
21:53:11 | Kronuz | or all of them are in the hdd? |
21:53:27 | linuxstb | They are all in the first partition on the disk. |
21:54:34 | Kronuz | hey, when you are playing music and you start scrolling and navigating the filesystem or some menu, the music stops |
21:54:44 | Kronuz | what was that bug about? |
21:54:51 | Kronuz | some interrupt, I think? |
21:55:06 | Kronuz | that's only an iPod issue? |
21:55:18 | liyang | Ah hah. Didn't realise ipod_fw included the original BRCM FW automagically. =) |
21:55:41 | liyang | Hence the ``NOTE: You must give it the exact name "apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin"'' |
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22:03:41 | Kronuz | what's the regular battery playback time in full charged iPod 5G? |
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22:03:49 | liyang | Too short. |
22:04:09 | dionoea | Kronuz: there's a wiki page about that |
22:04:15 | Kronuz | really? |
22:04:16 | Kronuz | hmm |
22:04:32 | liyang | Mine ran out at the end of an 7-hour roadtrip. Though I did (shock!) skip the odd track or two. |
22:06:41 | Kronuz | what happens if the battery goes totaly dead while playing? |
22:06:58 | Kronuz | can it break destroy files or something? |
22:07:03 | liyang | it switches off. |
22:07:07 | liyang | Not that I've experienced. |
22:07:16 | Kronuz | that's good |
22:07:33 | dionoea | w |
22:07:34 | Kronuz | and you can start using it again as soon as you plug it, right? |
22:07:36 | dionoea | oops |
22:07:41 | liyang | But that was while I was on loverlly journaled HFS+. |
22:07:46 | liyang | Kronuz: yes. |
22:07:58 | liyang | I've just switched to vfat. -_-;; |
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22:08:29 | Kronuz | can Rockbox use HFS or other file systems? |
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22:08:41 | dionoea | no |
22:09:45 | preglow | heh |
22:09:58 | preglow | looks like spdif monitoring isn't turned off when you leave the recording screen |
22:11:14 | dionoea | yay ! rockpaint can now load and save bitmaps |
22:12:20 | dionoea | another API question (if you know the answer, please say so :p ): how can i simply ask the user to choose an existing file ? (basically a file open window) |
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22:15:49 | midkay | can't.. no function for that atm. |
22:15:54 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: Is rockpaint somewhere in the tracker? |
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22:17:43 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: The general idea is that users choose files from the file browser, then open them with a viewer - so rockpaint should support that. But feel free to implement "file open" and "save as" widgets... |
22:18:02 | dionoea | Genre9mp3: no ... i'll post a patch once i'm done |
22:18:12 | Genre9mp3 | dionoea: ok |
22:18:21 | dionoea | linuxstb_: well i already use the "open with..." feature |
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22:18:37 | dionoea | but i might add some file open function |
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22:19:08 | Captain_America | hi all |
22:19:14 | | Nick Captain_America is now known as Mekrob (n=Captain_@64-252-103-238.adsl.snet.net) |
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22:19:34 | dionoea | linuxstb_: btw, i added a save_bmp_file function in apps/recorder/bmp.c (and in the plugin api). Is that ok ? |
22:19:34 | Mekrob | i have some qestions on iaudio |
22:19:42 | Mekrob | can anyone help |
22:20:07 | Bagder | if you ask you'll find out |
22:20:30 | Mekrob | k |
22:20:33 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: IMO, it should be in the plugin lib - unless it's actually used by core rockbox. |
22:20:43 | Mekrob | am i able to play doom on the x5 or x5l yet |
22:20:47 | linuxstb_ | (that's the code in apps/plugins/lib/) |
22:20:53 | Mekrob | and what state is sound at on it |
22:21:01 | dionoea | linuxstb_: ok ... i'll do that then |
22:21:28 | Bagder | Mekrob: both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets |
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22:22:31 | Mekrob | so they both work |
22:22:40 | Mekrob | as well as they do on an ipod |
22:22:53 | Bagder | both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets |
22:22:57 | Bagder | ipod is one of them, yes |
22:23:38 | Bagder | there are a few things the x5 port doesn't do yet though |
22:23:40 | Mekrob | can you answer my question lol |
22:23:45 | Mekrob | does it work properly |
22:23:45 | Bagder | I answered it |
22:23:53 | Bagder | you go read the rest on the site |
22:23:54 | Mekrob | in the same way ipod does |
22:23:58 | Mekrob | i did |
22:24:04 | Bagder | then you know |
22:24:12 | Mekrob | no i dont hence me asking |
22:24:24 | Mekrob | they said "sound works" |
22:24:32 | Mekrob | that could be 10 seconds of sound |
22:24:40 | Mekrob | and they mentioned nothing of doom |
22:24:47 | Mekrob | so i asked about both of them |
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22:26:36 | liyang | So, um. Rockbox reboots into the stock disk mode when you plug in the USB cable...? |
22:27:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
22:27:21 | dionoea | does rockbox already implement some RGB<->HSV colorspace transformations ? |
22:27:28 | liyang | Fair. :-/ |
22:27:37 | Mekrob | so anyone care to answer my question and not beat around the bush |
22:27:49 | dionoea | Mekrob: if people knew they'd answer i guess :/ |
22:27:59 | Bagder | we know |
22:28:14 | Bagder | it works |
22:28:15 | Mekrob | does doom work as well as it does on ipod 5g and how well is sound working on the X% |
22:28:18 | Mekrob | X5 |
22:28:18 | Bagder | I said it |
22:28:25 | linuxstb_ | Mekrob: How does "sound works" not answer your question? It's a true or false question. |
22:28:40 | Mekrob | no you said ] <Bagder> both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets |
22:28:45 | Mekrob | '.. |
22:28:52 | Bagder | Mekrob: and you said you've read the site |
22:29:02 | Mekrob | like i said sound "working could be ten seconds of playtime |
22:29:03 | Bagder | which should make it obvious that rockbox can play music |
22:29:10 | Mekrob | No shit |
22:29:21 | * | midkay sighs |
22:29:28 | sharpe | i'm... back... |
22:29:35 | Mekrob | im asking about a model that is in development |
22:29:39 | midkay | welcome.. back... |
22:29:49 | Bagder | all models are in development |
22:29:51 | sharpe | :) |
22:29:51 | midkay | Mekrob, actually, they are all constantly under development.. |
22:29:54 | Kronuz | is there no way of specifying the player and the built type from the command line when calling ./configure ? |
22:30:03 | Mekrob | exactly |
22:30:05 | Kronuz | instead of getting the prompt? |
22:30:13 | linuxstb_ | Kronuz: Use "echo" |
22:30:17 | Mekrob | thats why im asking what works on X5 |
22:30:26 | Bagder | and I answered |
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22:30:29 | midkay | sound works, as it does on everything else.. |
22:30:30 | Kronuz | linuxstb_: :S how? |
22:30:38 | Mekrob | ok |
22:30:46 | Mekrob | see that is what i wanted |
22:30:51 | Mekrob | not ] <Bagder> both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets |
22:31:00 | Bagder | you're being very annoying |
22:31:12 | midkay | 2.5 minutes ago: <Bagder> it works |
22:31:12 | Mekrob | your being very useless |
22:31:17 | midkay | haha. |
22:31:18 | Mekrob | yah |
22:31:20 | Mekrob | after |
22:31:35 | Kronuz | linuxstb_: like with pipes or something? |
22:31:39 | Mekrob | and i stopped asking then |
22:31:43 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
22:31:48 | Bagder | now stop that |
22:31:48 | midkay | so you come in asking for help and end up asking and re-asking the same question and insulting people.. nice.. |
22:31:52 | linuxstb_ | Kronuz: e.g. for a h120/140 normal build: (echo 9 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure |
22:32:01 | Kronuz | echo "22 N" ||./configure |
22:32:06 | Kronuz | linuxstb_: thanks :) |
22:32:09 | Kronuz | I was close :P |
22:32:27 | Mekrob | i was asking for a direct answer |
22:32:31 | Bagder | or echo -e "22\\nN" | configure |
22:32:32 | liyang | Children are so rude these days. |
22:32:34 | Mekrob | i appreciated him helping |
22:32:35 | Xerion | which is on the site |
22:32:39 | midkay | Bagder gave you even more of a direct answer than the one you accepted from me.. |
22:32:40 | Mekrob | but i wanted yes or no |
22:32:42 | Xerion | which you apparently read :P |
22:32:43 | Bagder | Mekrob: STOP now |
22:32:49 | Mekrob | sigh |
22:32:51 | Kronuz | and I was only guessing ;) |
22:32:54 | midkay | well.. whatever.. |
22:32:56 | Mekrob | gday all |
22:32:59 | midkay | laterz |
22:33:09 | Mekrob | ill be back later when this place is calm like earlier |
22:33:16 | Kronuz | thnks linuxstb_, thanks Bagder :) |
22:34:13 | midkay | in fact the latest news item on the site is "Sound works on iAudio X5".. :) |
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22:35:05 | liyang | (in the words of the great philosopher Jagger, ``you can't always get what you want. But if you tried to read what others have been saying, you just might find, you get what you need.'') |
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22:35:29 | midkay | haha. well said.. |
22:35:54 | Mekrob | wow you guys are mature |
22:35:57 | liyang | nah, I ripped that off Hugh Laurie. |
22:36:10 | Mekrob | lets wait till hes gone to take stabs at him |
22:36:17 | midkay | liyang, i mean whoever said it.. |
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22:36:39 | liyang | Wut? It honestly took me that long to type that! |
22:36:42 | Kronuz | linuxstb_: will that line you told me work under csh? |
22:36:43 | midkay | Mekrob, you clearly hadn't left yet.. i just wanted to point that out. |
22:36:52 | Kronuz | 'cause for some reason it isnt... |
22:36:56 | Mekrob | i was going on to a dif server |
22:37:01 | midkay | if you had read the site even a little bit.. you'd see the very first news item being the fact that sound works (and has been for months). |
22:37:02 | Mekrob | but i came back to close out |
22:37:12 | Mekrob | sigh to the max |
22:37:22 | midkay | alright, just letting you know. |
22:37:22 | linuxstb_ | Kronuz: Maybe not - the brackets are possibly a bash thing. Did Bagder's version work? |
22:37:26 | liyang | duuuuuude. |
22:37:33 | Mekrob | i said several times sound working could be 10 seconds of working |
22:37:37 | jnc | sweeeeeet |
22:37:44 | Mekrob | i was asking if it played flawlessly |
22:38:08 | Bagder | is echo enabled here? |
22:38:19 | midkay | Mekrob, and Bagder's response that it works as well as anything else was significant, since Rockbox wouldn't really be of much use if on all targets it barely played anything. |
22:38:36 | Mekrob | well i asked for yes or no |
22:38:57 | Mekrob | <that it works as well as anything else> thats not yes or no |
22:39:22 | liyang | ``Every program has at least one bug and can be optimised to one fewer instruction.'' |
22:39:25 | midkay | you got a "yes" and complained that it might mean only ten seconds of playback, then you got a confirmation that sound works well and you complained that it wasn't a yes/no answer.. |
22:39:34 | Kronuz | Bagder: your method should work under csh, right? |
22:39:39 | Bagder | yes |
22:39:46 | liyang | Flawlessly is a rather difficult target... |
22:39:48 | Bagder | as long as your echo supports -e |
22:39:55 | Mekrob | sigh |
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22:40:09 | Mekrob | its like debating with a three year old |
22:40:12 | Kronuz | what's with the double backslash? |
22:40:15 | Mekrob | ill leave untill later |
22:40:16 | midkay | tell me about it.. |
22:40:31 | Bagder | Kronuz: because normally the single is eaten by the shell |
22:40:32 | liyang | You could try doing /bin/echo -e explicitly rather than relying on the echo your shell provides. |
22:40:59 | stripwax | Mekrob - how about this, try it |
22:40:59 | Bagder | or you could do echo -e '22\nN' with single quotes to avoid double slashes |
22:42:11 | Mekrob | because i havent purchased it yet |
22:42:25 | Mekrob | and if it doesnt work ill get one that rockbox will work on |
22:43:39 | sharpe | heheh... my ipod, is covered in sand... and it was in a car for most of my trip. |
22:44:23 | Febs | My God, today must be "ask a question and don't listen to the answer" day. |
22:44:48 | stripwax | Febs - did the forum guy get his build working in the end...? |
22:45:04 | Febs | I don't know. I officially gave up. |
22:45:08 | stripwax | ;-) |
22:46:26 | Bagder | to lighten things up, I hope you watched my new nude movie... e200 stripped |
22:46:33 | Bagder | :-P |
22:46:39 | midkay | haha. |
22:46:40 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/pics/ |
22:47:06 | liyang | Anyone recommend a readable theme? The default font is killing my eyes. -_-;; |
22:47:39 | liyang | Bagder: I came. |
22:50:21 | sharpe | anyone want to hear about my trip? :D |
22:51:45 | midkay | of course not. how dare you even suggest it. |
22:52:08 | sharpe | alright. |
22:52:22 | stripwax | sharpe - how was the battery life? |
22:52:47 | sharpe | actually, i didn't even use my ipod the whole trip... |
22:52:51 | stripwax | actually I had an idea about ipod battery life −− are we sure we're powering off the broadcom chip? ;-) |
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22:54:32 | Mano` | can anyone tell me how to install a theme onto my ipod (rockbox) is already installed |
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22:57:17 | stripwax | Mano - download the theme, save it into the directory ".rockbox/themes", and just load it from the Browse Themes option in rockbox |
22:57:55 | sharpe | i did get a sunburn though... |
22:58:01 | midkay | hyaaaaaaa. |
22:59:30 | Mekrob | if i installed black glass do i get to pick which of these i want to use |
22:59:32 | Mekrob | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4619.0 |
22:59:40 | Mekrob | cuz the yellow looks sweet |
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23:00:26 | midkay | yeah, you should be able to. |
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23:00:33 | Mekrob | cool beans |
23:00:38 | juxtap | someone recommend a theme for ipod 5g |
23:00:38 | Mekrob | who made black glass |
23:00:44 | Mekrob | it is quite awesome |
23:00:49 | Mekrob | yin yang |
23:00:54 | midkay | juxtap, brushed metal v2 when i upload it sometime! |
23:00:59 | Mekrob | like balance |
23:01:14 | juxtap | heh, obviously you like it, you made it :p |
23:01:18 | juxtap | okay |
23:01:19 | midkay | ;D |
23:01:25 | midkay | i should in fact do that now.. |
23:01:31 | juxtap | i'm using rockamp classic now |
23:02:05 | juxtap | midkay, does it work with album art? |
23:02:36 | midkay | does what? |
23:02:54 | juxtap | theme? |
23:03:07 | midkay | brushed metal? v2? neither.. i don't use it.. |
23:03:11 | * | dwihno watches the snasa nude movie ;) |
23:03:23 | Bagder | you perv |
23:03:28 | midkay | haha. |
23:03:30 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
23:03:54 | Genre9mp3 | I watched that too...there should be a disclaimer for people under 18 |
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23:04:00 | Mekrob | how hard is it to make a wpa |
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23:04:02 | midkay | ohh god... a PP5024B.. |
23:04:11 | Bagder | indeed |
23:04:21 | midkay | Mekrob, why not try, by checking the CustomWPS wiki page? |
23:04:51 | Bagder | Mekrob: its very easy |
23:04:52 | Kronuz | I'm getting a "No files" message as soon as I turn the iPod on (the theme background is there, but the font doesn't seem to be loaded) the menu dosn't work either |
23:05:19 | dwihno | Bagder: Really nice clip! When looking at it, the unit looks to be quite "plastic-ish"... what do you think? |
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23:05:33 | Kronuz | I just added some patches... but I don't think any of those dod it... you know of something that might be causing this issue? |
23:05:37 | Bagder | dwihno: actually I think it feels rather solid and good |
23:05:48 | Bagder | the back is metal |
23:06:00 | Bagder | and it is a bit on the heavy side |
23:06:07 | Bagder | which adds to the feel as well |
23:06:24 | midkay | a clip?! |
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23:06:40 | midkay | ah. nice. |
23:06:42 | midkay | *views* |
23:06:47 | dwihno | Bagder: nice! is this lineup intended to be directly competing with the ipod? |
23:07:00 | Bagder | with ipod nano indeed |
23:07:01 | dwihno | (price wise and, well, size as well) |
23:07:22 | Mekrob | is your name supposed to be badger' |
23:07:38 | dwihno | Bagder: but I guess you haven't gotten any hw docs yet... ? |
23:07:51 | Bagder | dwihno: nopes, and I don't have very high hopes either |
23:08:19 | dwihno | Bagder: That leads to the question why the Sandisk people do this... |
23:08:40 | Bagder | dwihno: I think its a question of who at sandisk that does what |
23:08:58 | dwihno | If they really wanted the port, it could be quite cost effective sporting a 2-3 week development along with hw docs... |
23:09:27 | Mekrob | wow |
23:09:29 | dwihno | Bagder: well, I'll keep my fingers crossed |
23:09:38 | Bagder | dwihno: yes sure but the guy I'm in contact with hasn't really got that many tech clues and isn't really the guy I _should_ be talking to |
23:09:40 | Mekrob | ipod has a monoploy |
23:09:45 | Mekrob | monopoly |
23:10:07 | midkay | Bagder, man, this is getting pretty hot.. halfway loaded+viewed.. :) |
23:10:16 | Mekrob | im trying to find the cheapset thing i could buy that plays video and rockbox supports it |
23:10:31 | Mekrob | and i thought i was set on x5 |
23:10:54 | dwihno | Mekrob: well, I wouldn't say monopoly... more like oligopoly |
23:11:10 | dwihno | (now that sounds like an non-existant english word, doesn't it..) |
23:11:34 | dionoea | oligarchy ? |
23:11:38 | Mekrob | but i found out you have to jimmy rig the x 5 just to get doom to work |
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23:11:46 | Mekrob | so i have to get an ipod vide |
23:11:48 | Mekrob | video |
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23:12:21 | dwihno | dionoea: yeah, sounds right :) (my swenglish sure is good, hah) |
23:12:56 | Mekrob | so is there any other mp3 player with all the functions of ipod video |
23:13:00 | Mekrob | but cheaper? |
23:13:04 | dionoea | in fact it wouldn't mean exactly the same thing ... |
23:14:50 | Mekrob | .. |
23:14:54 | Mekrob | any ideas? |
23:14:59 | Mekrob | anyone know of one? |
23:15:01 | linuxstb_ | Mekrob: It depends which functions you want... |
23:15:17 | Bagder | and when ;-) |
23:15:33 | Mekrob | the same ones as ipod 5g |
23:15:59 | linuxstb_ | You mean playing itunes purchased music, syncing with itunes, compatibility with ipod accessories? |
23:16:09 | Mekrob | no |
23:16:24 | Mekrob | i mean video mp3 and rockbox support |
23:16:49 | dwihno | eww. |
23:16:53 | dwihno | damn how I hate all this DRM nonsense |
23:17:09 | dwihno | and purchasing low-fidelity DRM stuff from stores. |
23:17:18 | dwihno | (for too much money anyhow) |
23:17:23 | * | linuxstb_ just ignores it. |
23:17:29 | Mekrob | so im guessing their isn't one ? |
23:17:56 | dwihno | Well, you _can_ play custom-format movies on the recorder :) |
23:18:06 | dwihno | the sound is awesome! |
23:18:07 | Mekrob | ? |
23:18:10 | Mekrob | clarify |
23:18:24 | dwihno | recorder, one of the earliest rockbox ports |
23:18:45 | dwihno | the origin of the project basically |
23:18:46 | linuxstb_ | The ipod video is the Rockbox target with best video playback (under the native OS). I think the Creative players also have as good (or better) video playback, but a Rockbox port to those is very unlikely. |
23:19:00 | Bagder | linuxstb: you have that SKU_E mi4 file available for me? |
23:19:16 | linuxstb_ | Sure, one moment... |
23:19:26 | Mekrob | so i have to get an ipod video if i want rock box support video and mp3 support also |
23:20:16 | Mekrob | i hate apple so much |
23:20:17 | liyang | Has anyone tried (or even looked into) getting stuff to run on the BRCM2722? |
23:20:23 | Mekrob | theres no way around them |
23:20:39 | Mekrob | i wish rockbox worked on the sansa e260 |
23:20:47 | Mekrob | id get it in a heart beat |
23:21:05 | Bagder | Mekrob: don't hold your breath for that... |
23:21:19 | Bagder | and |
23:21:27 | Bagder | I don't think its much better than the others on video |
23:21:56 | Mekrob | i just want something that is equal to 5g capability |
23:22:03 | dionoea | then buy a 5g |
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23:22:11 | Mekrob | video mp3 and rockbox support |
23:22:11 | Bagder | the 5g is superior on video compared to the sansa |
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23:22:16 | Mekrob | i know |
23:22:21 | liyang | it's technically much more capable on the video front. Hacking the VideoCore side might be a bit of a challenge if you want video on RockBox though. |
23:22:24 | Mekrob | but it is alot more expensive |
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23:22:43 | Mekrob | i want something cheaper then ipod |
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23:23:40 | mongey | is Linus ever on here anymore># |
23:23:44 | mongey | *? |
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23:24:16 | Bagder | yes he is |
23:24:37 | mongey | well |
23:24:47 | mongey | anyone with a 64bit cpu here? |
23:24:55 | amiconn | yes |
23:24:56 | scorche | yes |
23:25:27 | mongey | does cygwin compiler work for you? |
23:25:28 | xoder | yes' |
23:25:43 | xoder | i'm on wndows |
23:25:44 | xoder | ** |
23:25:45 | xoder | Linux |
23:25:53 | xoder | so I don't care |
23:26:07 | amiconn | mongey: Huh? cygwin is win32 only afaik |
23:26:12 | mongey | ah |
23:26:15 | Kronuz | weird |
23:26:17 | mongey | thats what i thought |
23:26:20 | mongey | damn |
23:26:23 | Kronuz | the brightness patch breaks Rockbox |
23:26:44 | amiconn | mongey: What are you trying to do? |
23:27:01 | mongey | compile rockbox |
23:27:08 | amiconn | Imho, if you have a 64bit cpu and want a true 64bit OS, choose linux |
23:27:11 | Kronuz | (even when it really doesn't seem to do many changes) |
23:27:32 | mongey | amiconn i dual boot |
23:27:43 | mongey | xp and kubuntu 64 |
23:27:50 | amiconn | ...but if you want to run windows, I would still recommend the 32bit version |
23:28:08 | Kronuz | me too |
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23:28:15 | Kronuz | I'm using the x64 and has bugs |
23:28:26 | mongey | im using the 32 bit for wndows |
23:28:26 | Kronuz | (that's right, even more) |
23:28:38 | Kronuz | 32 bits it's way better |
23:28:38 | amiconn | mongey: So what's your actual problem?? |
23:28:55 | Kronuz | only that I've installed everything and I'm too lazy to do it again :P |
23:29:00 | mongey | 1 sec ill get a screenie |
23:31:46 | mongey | http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8554/untitled12wm.jpg |
23:32:20 | lou | it /msg -qnet minimoo it looks bloated and the article layout is confusing |
23:32:25 | lou | adksk |
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23:32:46 | Kronuz | hey, once in doom, how do you exit from it? |
23:32:50 | lou | wrong window |
23:32:58 | dionoea | Kronuz: hold |
23:33:02 | dionoea | (if you're using an ipod) |
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23:33:16 | amiconn | mongey: It clearly tells you what's wrong... the cygwin1.dll doesn't match the required version for m68k-elf-gcc |
23:33:29 | mongey | ye |
23:33:37 | mongey | but i have the latest |
23:33:47 | amiconn | The latest what? |
23:34:00 | mongey | cygwin1.dll |
23:34:18 | mongey | well it was the same as tucoz |
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23:34:35 | amiconn | Yeah, but obviously the version expected by m68k-elf-gcc doesn't match the version you have |
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23:34:46 | amiconn | Did you build the crosscompiler yourself? |
23:34:55 | mongey | nope |
23:35:18 | linuxstb_ | Anyone know if Linux running in vmware player for Windows can access ext2/3 partitions? |
23:35:35 | stripwax | mongey - try doing what it says - use Search to find how many (and where) you have multiple copies of cygwin1.dll - do you have only one copy on your harddrive or multiple different versions? |
23:35:42 | amiconn | mongey: That's the next thing I would try in your case |
23:36:13 | mongey | i only have 1 |
23:36:42 | amiconn | I mean building the crosscompiler yourself |
23:36:44 | stripwax | mongey - hrrmm... and you have the latest cygwin1.dll and the latest m68k-eld-gcc? |
23:37:04 | mongey | yes |
23:37:16 | * | amiconn uses self-built crosscompilers only |
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23:45:31 | Kronuz | hey, does anyone know how long does the battery really lasts in the original apple firmware on an iPod 5G with 60GB just on music playback (mostly)? |
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23:46:29 | lou | ~11h |
23:46:39 | San | is there a problem with yesterdays build? |
23:46:42 | San | (the 17th) |
23:46:47 | San | as in fonts |
23:46:53 | San | i cant change the font |
23:47:28 | dionoea | yeah ! /me has gradients working in rockpaint |
23:48:13 | Kronuz | lou: lol and they sau 20 hours :P |
23:48:26 | lou | yeah |
23:48:33 | lou | they say many things |
23:48:46 | lou | my ipod never played longer than 11h |
23:49:04 | lou | and its even slightly less now with rockbox |
23:49:19 | lou | ~9.5h - ~10h |
23:49:36 | Kronuz | yeah... I get 'bout 8 1/3 I suppose |
23:49:59 | Kronuz | in the "estimated" playback time legend |
23:50:06 | Kronuz | though I haven't tried for real |
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23:50:41 | Kronuz | maybe if all video activity was disabled after a while it would last longer |
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23:51:10 | Kronuz | like if you're just listening to music, if it turned off the display |
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23:54:10 | liyang | oh crap I hosed my iPod. |
23:54:39 | sharpe | ooh. i *almost* walked into the ocean with mine. |
23:55:03 | liyang | I've utterly buggered up the partition table on mine, in an attempt to switch it back to HFS+. |
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23:55:19 | sharpe | :) |
23:55:40 | sharpe | well, at least you can always restore it. |
23:55:52 | liyang | I can't see a download for an Apple partition table to write back, only the PC ones. :-/ |
23:55:59 | liyang | Help? |
23:56:04 | amiconn | Wow! The backlight is a real sucker on H300, even more than the USBOTG chip |
23:56:11 | liyang | (I should have made my own. I know. XD) |
23:56:13 | Kronuz | hey, about the sound stopping when you scroll, is that an issue for just the iPods? |
23:56:28 | sharpe | Kronuz: it's a known issue. |
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23:56:36 | mongey | amiconn: is there a problem ? |
23:56:38 | amiconn | I ran a runtime test with backlight @ full brightness. 09:26... |
23:56:38 | Kronuz | sharpe: just for iPods? |
23:56:58 | liyang | sharpe: any clues? |
23:57:09 | amiconn | mongey: No, not a problem. I'm just performing a series of runtime tests for better battery meter calibration |
23:57:16 | mongey | ah nice |
23:57:19 | linuxstb_ | liyang: Just use Apple's restorer |
23:57:31 | liyang | Disk Utility won't recreate the original partition structure. |
23:57:33 | sharpe | Kronuz: i'm not quite sure, but it seems only people with ipods tell of it, so i'm guessing only ipods really. but it's been known for a very long time |
23:57:39 | amiconn | The backlight sucks more than the whole rest of the player when always on.. |
23:57:53 | Kronuz | sharpe: is it know where the problem resides? |
23:57:56 | sharpe | liyang: you mean the restore utility in the ipod updater? |
23:58:04 | mongey | amiconn: but can it be changed to stop it takin so much battery? |
23:58:24 | liyang | iPod Updater says I've got an unsupported model... last time I ran it. >_> |
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23:58:30 | PaulJam | amiconn: could this be a rockbox problem? because when i did a battery test with the original firmware i got 17 h without and 13 h with backlight always. but with a low brightness setting. |
23:58:33 | amiconn | Yes. Use it for a shorter time / at lower brightness |
23:58:36 | liyang | it's giving me the option to restore now. Strange. |
23:58:42 | sharpe | Kronuz: i'd imagine updating the screen quickly combined with the music decoding, doesn't go too well together. |
23:58:50 | amiconn | PaulJam: I tested at full brightnes... |
23:58:53 | linuxstb_ | Kronuz: Rockbox needs almost all the CPU just for MP3 playback on the ipods at the moment. So skipping happens if you try to do other things... |