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#rockbox log for 2006-06-18

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00:10:04toxicfumeI saw a Matrix screensaver plugin for the ipod video for rockbox, where can i get it?
00:10:30Paul_The_NerdOfficial plugins are included.
00:10:37Paul_The_NerdYou'd be much better off asking whoever showed it to you.
00:10:39Mikachuyou probably saw one for ipodlinux, or i missed somethinng
00:11:11dionoeayeah, google is your friend :)
00:11:12*Mikachu does the i didn't say anything dance
00:11:41dionoea"A matrix screensaver-type plugin, ported from podzilla." ... so you're not completely wrong :)
00:12:02preglowrasher did it
00:12:21Mikachumatrix.c,v 1.1 2005/06/24
00:12:38Mikachuit has some chance of not being the exact right api
00:13:26Paul_The_NerdThat date is wrong
00:13:38Paul_The_NerdThe PLUGIN_HEADER thing was introduced after then, I thought.
00:14:26Mikachustatic cmatrix matrix[ROWS][COLS];
00:14:32Mikachu/* The matrix - who'd have guessed it was just a few hundred bytes? */
00:14:59*Paul_The_Nerd grins
00:15:31*amiconn got reminded by Paul_The_Nerd that he wanted to cleanup the target id mess :/
00:15:54Paul_The_NerdTarget id mess?
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00:16:26Mikachuhm, it built
00:16:51toxicfumemany themes (if not all) on my ipod video have the text not properly aligned to the position of the background image (some text would appear out of where it is supposed to be), Is that a normal behaviour by default for the ipod video?
00:17:10Mikachu"Incompatible model"
00:17:22Paul_The_Nerdtoxicfume: Odds are you're not using the right font (did you download the fonts zip) or your themes require patched versions of Rockbox
00:17:44amiconnMikachu: Forgot the PLUGIN_HEADER?
00:18:01Mikachuwell, there is a PLUGIN_HEADER in there
00:18:11Mikachubut it's after #include "plugin.h"
00:18:11toxicfumePaul_The_Nerd: oh okay, no I haven't downloaded anythign other than the default rockbox and the files that were mentioned in the main installation documentation for the iPod video
00:18:48Mikachuthat didn't matter though
00:19:05Paul_The_Nerdtoxicfume: At the daily build page there's a fonts zip containing all the extra fonts available from us, many themes use them. As well many people create their themes in a way that is incompatible with the official Rockbox and requires a patched or modified build.
00:19:06Mikachuah, 0 bytes
00:19:36amiconnMikachu: [00:18:11] <Mikachu> but it's after #include "plugin.h" <== that's okay, and in fact won't work the other way round
00:20:09Mikachuhrm, it has an #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR at the top
00:21:24Mikachuremoved that and it actually works
00:21:31Mikachubut i thought that was defined for nano
00:21:48dionoeamaybe it isn't defined before the include
00:22:00Mikachuah yes
00:22:07Mikachuplugin.h should be before that maybe
00:22:16amiconnHahaha, of course
00:22:21Mikachuhey i just woke up :)
00:22:29amiconnHow else would the #define be known?
00:22:37Mikachumakefile magic perhaps :)
00:22:38dionoeacommand line define ?
00:23:19Mikachuthe animation isn't very interesting though
00:23:23Mikachuperhaps the nano is too small
00:23:25amiconnHmm, possible...
00:27:44toxicfumePaul_The_Nerd: okay, I got the new fonts, but the text is still misaligned, do I have to manually select the font in Rockbox?
00:28:55Paul_The_Nerdtoxicfume: Or reload the theme
00:28:57Mikachuhm, it initializes randomly, some columns are apparently assigned to not be drawn at all, but i can't figure out which matrix is used for that
00:30:37toxicfumePaul_The_Nerd: doesn't seem to work
00:31:24Paul_The_Nerdtoxicfume: So choosing the theme again in browse themes didn't change your current font?
00:31:40Paul_The_NerdAnd you did make sure the fonts are all in /.rockbox/fonts, and the theme itself does definitely use a different font?
00:32:54toxicfumePaul_The_Nerd: ahh, now it seems to have worked. My mistake, I was trying to load the theme from the Browse .wps files from the Display setting menu
00:33:24Paul_The_NerdThat only changes the WPS
00:33:39Paul_The_NerdNot the theme. The WPS doesn't set your font.
00:33:50Paul_The_NerdThat way if you like a different font that's the same height, you can often use it instead
00:34:05toxicfumeohhh okay, now i get it
00:34:23Mikachutoo bad no nano themes are made for fonts with 13 in height
00:34:30toxicfumethanks Paul_The_Nerd, now onto loading more themes!
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00:35:58Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I like fonts with about 6 or 7 in height. ;)
00:36:22Mikachui like 6+12x13 since it has reasonable legibility for japanese titles, which are about half my loaded music right now
00:36:57Mikachuand gives 8 lines in wps which is more than enough for me
00:37:24Paul_The_NerdYeah, that is plenty. I just like to have my lists as long as possible. For some reason scrolling menus irritates me.
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00:45:52preglowMikachu: listening to jpop makes your brain melt
00:45:58preglowso lets hope you're not doing that ;)
00:48:19preglowall my japanese music has english titles :/
00:48:45preglowi do have on album with japanese titles, and those the tagger could not handle :/
00:49:07preglowbut it's not a japanese album, heh
00:50:20Mikachueasytag has not failed me yet
00:50:45preglowi guess it's freedb that failed me
00:50:56preglowand since i'm not yet adept at inputing hiragana and kanjii, i let it go
00:51:20Mikachuif i don't find it in freedb, i usually copy it from the artist's website if i bother at all
00:51:46preglowhaha, i doubt the label bothered to transcribe the titles
00:52:47preglowdiscogs does
00:52:50Mikachujapanese songtitles sometimes go a bit crazy, having actual stars in them etc
00:53:25MikachuBennie K - ザ★クリスマス (The Christmas).mp3
00:53:27preglowワイ ワイ!! (Why? Why?) (4:54)
00:53:36Mikachuhaha WAI!!
00:54:01Mikachuthis one is a favorite too
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00:54:02*Mikachu is listening to うしろゆびさされ組 - のっとおんりぃ★ばっとおるそう (Not Only, But Also) (0:10 / 4:15)
00:54:17preglowi hope the rest of the titles are as serious
00:54:31Mikachuthis is basically jpop from 1980
00:54:51preglowperhaps it's listenable
00:55:29Mikachuthat was fast
00:55:43preglowi've never heard it, that's why
00:55:50preglowcontemporary jpop makes me sob
00:56:02MikachuDCC sent file for preglow in 00:00:02 [2497.75kB/s
00:56:14preglowバイ バイ
00:56:16preglowwhat's that say?
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00:56:20Mikachubai bai
00:56:24Mikachuie bye bye
00:56:25preglowhaha, i guessed so
00:56:39preglowthese song titles are probably pure gems
00:56:46Mikachuthis one is notto onrii {star} batto orusou
00:56:55preglowtoo much kanji in them for me to decipher, though
00:57:16preglowlemme guess, you're on a uni line or something? :>
00:57:35Mikachui was, but it's commercial now
00:57:38Mikachuit's 100mbit though
00:57:53preglowthis shell account pretty much is on a uni line
00:57:56preglowi, however, am not :/
00:58:09Mikachuit looks like those titles are partly in chinese
00:58:19preglowdon't think they are
00:58:31preglowpeople have managed to translate them without much ado
00:58:43preglowthough the artist says they are pretty much nonsense
00:58:51Mikachuah, yes
00:59:03Mikachuusually if it's nonsense, it means they are chinese :)
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00:59:13Mikachuor if there are more than 5 consecutive kanji
01:01:02preglowi never did pick up any kanji anyway
01:01:09preglowand whatever kana i did get i've forgotten anyway
01:01:34preglowi've discovered i pretty much need to use whatever i intend to remember :>
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01:07:15preglowromaji there
01:07:42preglowlooks pretty incomplete, though
01:07:57Mikachuthat just has the () parts
01:08:41Mikachui wonder why the strange track numbers
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01:10:09preglowit's vinyl
01:10:24preglowit's usually done like that on vinyl
01:10:45preglowA for first side first disc, B for second side first disc, C for first side second disc
01:10:50Mikachuthis is where i would say i'm to young to have used vinyl, but i have almost no audio cds either :)
01:11:05preglowi grew up with tapes
01:11:10preglowpretty much
01:11:26Mikachui had some tapes too
01:11:27preglowbut vinyl is something i've picked during the last seven years or so
01:11:44preglowi've got a decent bunch of both cds and vinyl
01:13:21preglowand one minidisc!
01:13:23preglowplus one tape
01:13:26Mikachuyou got it all
01:13:39XavierGr26 hours (if I remember correctly) and still playing
01:13:43preglowno 8 track, though
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01:13:54XavierGrthis is my longest benchmark by far
01:14:15preglowlooks like it'll be the sweetest one too
01:14:28XavierGrindeed :D
01:14:47XavierGrI guess a new wave of users will come with this
01:15:06Mikachuso where is lostlogic anyway?
01:15:15XavierGrI heard that many people wouldn't totaly use rockbox due to the battery issue
01:15:51XavierGrMikachu: lostlogic is missing I can only see lostlogi1 here :p
01:15:59XavierGr(bad joke)
01:16:25XavierGrwell at least your reaction was good!
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01:16:57preglowlostlogic got busy
01:19:28Mikachuhe picked a bad time
01:19:53preglowblame summer for picking a bad time!
01:20:08Mikachuwhat was the state of playback before his rework?
01:20:24preglowpretty much what it is now, i think
01:20:30XavierGrI think it was pretty much stable but daunting
01:20:36preglowwith the exception of voice, which worked slightly better
01:21:01amiconnVoice definitely works way better now than it did before lostlogic's rework
01:21:09preglowoh? ok
01:21:17amiconn..but still far from stable :/
01:21:59Mikachusomeone needs to grab the sour bullet by the horns
01:22:08preglowthat's a low of work
01:22:10preglowlot too
01:22:11XavierGrwhat's the real bonus in this rework? I mean we gained a dev in the playback code but we lost one too. Alos AFAIK this rework hasn't got anything to do with unification
01:22:22preglowlost one?
01:22:24Mikachuyes but if no one does it rockbox will stay like this forever
01:22:56XavierGrpreglow: Slasheri
01:23:02preglowwe haven't lost slasheri
01:23:12XavierGrI mean in the understanding of code.
01:23:25XavierGrbefore the rework he pretty much knew anything on this
01:23:32preglowyes, so nothing much has changed
01:23:48preglowand what unification, btw?
01:23:52preglowbetween hwcodec and swcodec?
01:23:57preglowgod knows how that'll happen
01:24:01preglowprobably some time in ten years
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01:24:26XavierGrgood thing is when all this work finishes it will be the same for all targets.
01:24:29preglowsome people keep saying playback shouldn't be as complex as it currently is
01:24:40preglowsomething i'm looking forward to seeing proved :>
01:24:52amiconnEven Linus says that
01:25:03Mikachuand he is known for liking complex things? :)
01:25:14preglowsure, i haven't got a clear enough idea of it to say anything else
01:25:14amiconnNope, quite the contrary
01:25:20preglowi've just got a feeling it isn't that simple
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01:25:43preglowbut i've heard the hardware playback code isn't the simplest thing in existence either
01:25:44Mikachuthe queue stuff makes it a bit harder to follow
01:26:03XavierGrthe code is so big and vast that I am bored even to scroll the whole file with page down!
01:26:42amiconnpreglow: No it's not, and I think the reason why both engines aren't the simplest things in the world is how they evolved.
01:26:51preglowsure, i agree there
01:27:15preglowthe playback engine at least probably wasn't too well thought out before coding started
01:27:28preglowand stuff just got bolted on
01:27:55amiconnI think that for a unification, it will almost be easier to start building a new engine, using ideas and experience from both existing engines
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01:28:46preglowbut that's a whole bunch of work
01:28:47XavierGrwell at the point where the sw engine will be stable someone will have to make the unification.
01:28:52amiconnAnyway, at least some of us want to see the unification happening, and imho it shouldn't happen too late
01:29:01preglowi'd love to see it too
01:29:02XavierGrAnd I can't really imagine how much work it is going to be
01:29:08preglowbut no way in hell i think i'll be working on it
01:29:31preglowthe current one alone makes my head spin
01:29:38amiconnIt's pretty much a requirement for pcm playback integration on archos
01:30:12amiconnpreglow: I'm still not conviced the current swcodec complexity is necessary
01:30:25preglowsure, and i'd love to see you/someone fix it
01:30:47XavierGrgogo amiconn :P
01:31:06preglowi think i'm going to restrict myself to dsp
01:31:08preglowand codecs
01:31:17preglowor i'll never get anything done
01:32:44XavierGrBTW what is still missing for a 3.0 release except the playback issue?
01:32:58preglowlangv2 fixes
01:33:02XavierGrah yes
01:33:41preglowwhich, really, anyone can fix
01:34:18Paul_The_NerdAnd voice issues, if you don't consider that the playback issue
01:35:30amiconnhwcodec: mp3_playback.c: 653 lines, mpeg.c: 2910 lines. Sum: 3563 lines. *That already includes the recording engine...*
01:35:33amiconnswcodec: pcm_playback.c: 736 lines, pcmbuf.c: 992 lines, playback.c: 2959 lines, dsp.c: 1131 lines, metadata.c: 1561 lines. Sum: 7379 lines.
01:36:04amiconnI've left out parts that are used in both engines, and deliberately left out codec.c since it has no comparable counterpart
01:36:31preglowsounds to me like the playback engine parts themselves are of roughly equal size
01:36:48preglowmetadata.c has no counterpart, most of dsp.c has no counterpart, pcmbuf.c has no counterpart
01:36:57amiconnI'd rather say the hwcodec engine is half the size
01:37:00pregloweven pcm_playback.c has no counterpart
01:37:11amiconnof course it has
01:37:20preglowok, but the first: no
01:37:22amiconnThe counterpart for pcm_playback is mp3_playback
01:37:49preglowhwcodec has no pcm buffering concerns, no dsp, and no codecs to support metadata for (apart from mp3)
01:37:56amiconnmpeg.c is essenitally what playback.c is, *plus* the recording engine
01:38:00preglowso you shave of a couple of thousane lines and more just there
01:38:44smablyis there anyone actively working on these 3.0 issues, or are we all waiting for devs who are busy with Real Life?
01:38:55preglowsmably: a bit of both
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01:39:56smablyhmm...more to the point, would it be worth it to start learning, say, the playback code at this point?
01:40:09preglowsure, why not?
01:40:15preglowdepends what your goals are
01:40:20amiconnpreglow: I'd say the bitswap on hwcodec is what pcm buffering is for swcodec
01:40:36preglowamiconn: hardly a valid comparison when you're talking line counts
01:40:44Paul_The_Nerdsmably: It's absolutely worth learning it, because even if you don't do it in time to fix the 3.0 bugs, there is still plenty of work to be done on it overall
01:41:19preglowsmably: if you've got time to dive into playback internals and fix stuff, you're sure as hell eligible for hero status around here
01:41:28smablyin that case, i think i'll start digging through the code
01:41:38smablyno promises, of course, but i do have quite a bit of free time this summer
01:41:47preglowwe don't deal in promises anyway, heh
01:41:50preglowsounds good
01:43:06peturfyi, recording line-in (not boosted) worked for 12 hours on my h340 (original battery)
01:43:27preglowso the hd activitiy kills it
01:43:34preglowi'd really love a separate recording thread
01:43:53preglowall the hanging when recording really isn't very elegant
01:44:19peturrecording is done in a separate thread ;)
01:44:21pregloweverything just freezing on spiniå
01:44:31preglowthen what's up with all the hangs?
01:44:56peturyou mean on disk activity?
01:45:09preglowbah, of course it's another thread, i remember hacking on it...
01:45:39peturI think the peakmeter code does something in that area
01:46:22preglowanyway, why the hell am i still awake, i need to get up tomorrow
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01:46:27preglowsee yall later
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03:31:44chendowhat the hell.
03:31:53chendoi woke up and my h340's STILL going.
03:32:06ashridahstill going with what?
03:32:14chendobattery benching
03:32:19chendo230kbit OGGs.
03:32:36chendo14 hours with 25% left, which means ~20.7 hours.
03:33:50Genre9mp3chendo: how many files you have on repeat?
03:34:02chendo81mb worth
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03:34:38Genre9mp3then very nice indeed! :)
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03:45:53XavierGrI am still waiting for my H340 to shut off...
03:46:53XavierGr28 hours and still running!!!
03:47:14chendowhat are you testing with?
03:49:18XavierGr1900mah battery 160kbps mp3
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04:00:25Kronuzhey, I just found Rockbox :)
04:02:05Kronuzhow does Rockbox work... how is it different from iPL?
04:02:47XavierGriPL loads linux on iPod
04:03:09XavierGrRockbox is a firmware replacement made from scratch and its main usage is music
04:03:11Kronuzand so I'm guessing Rockbox is simpler?
04:03:16Kronuzgood :)
04:03:21XavierGrit is not simpler
04:03:26XavierGrit is different
04:03:35KronuzI mean, has less stuff.. iPL is linux, right?
04:03:47Kronuzhas only stuff for music players
04:04:03XavierGrwell I haven't compared source lines between the projects but Rockbox is by no means simple
04:04:42Kronuzanyway... I have an iPod, I wanted to get the program but in the download page there's only Archos suff (I think)
04:04:45Kronuzor I'm cofused
04:04:56Kronuz(except for the daily builds)
04:05:07Galoisyou should get a daily build
04:05:29Kronuzoh, okay, but how do I install it using windows
04:05:35XavierGrand read the installation guides
04:06:12GaloisIpodInstallation is probably more useful
04:06:29Kronuzyou know what I've always wanted... to be able to dim the backlight a bit
04:06:33Kronuz(in my iPod)
04:06:47XavierGrI don't know if this is supported on iPod
04:07:05KronuzI have th 5th gen... the backlight dims out when it goes off
04:07:09Galoisit's not, but your chances of hacking it in are a lot better on rockbox than on the retail firmware
04:07:13Kronuzso I figure it should be possible
04:07:19crashdKronuz: nope, that's a trick
04:07:24Kronuzoh :(
04:07:24crashdthe actual backlight is either on or off
04:07:39Kronuzon it's too bright, off it's too dark
04:07:41Galoisyou could trick it into pulsating
04:07:56crashdGalois: yeah, cos that wouldnt hurt your eyes/sap battery ;)
04:08:19Kronuzwould that make the batteries go dead sooner (pulsationes)?
04:08:33GaloisI don't think it would be any worse than continuous backlight
04:08:46Paul_The_NerdWell, it's really pulsing the voltage isn't it, rather than the light itself? If I understand correctly.
04:08:54Kronuzcontinuous backlight it's already VERY bad :(
04:09:22Paul_The_NerdGalois: It's necessary to boost the processor to display the backlight at anything either than full or off, so actually it would decrease battery life a bit more than having it just on, if I understand how it works correctly.
04:09:45Kronuzthat's what I thought :(
04:09:58Paul_The_NerdOf course, it's just that the backlight would drain more power while it's on.
04:10:21Kronuzwe would have to experiment, I guess
04:10:46KronuzI'm a programmer... (with little time, but a programmer) I'll try to get into Rockbox sourcecode :)
04:11:22Paul_The_NerdI think there's a backlight dimming patch in the tracker already that you can test.
04:11:27KronuzI have this question too... if I install the firmware, I'll be able to still use the original one?
04:11:31Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure if it's for iPods though, so it may need adapted if it's not.
04:11:59Kronuz(as I've read rockbox hasn't video playback support)
04:12:08Paul_The_NerdRockbox's bootloader allows dual booting.
04:12:34Kronuzis it put in the firmware or on the HDD?
04:13:03Galoison the ipod, rockbox lives 100% on the storage drive
04:13:23Kronuzwouldn't that drain the battery
04:13:27Paul_The_NerdNot really
04:13:33Paul_The_NerdIt's loaded into RAM and stays there
04:13:40Paul_The_NerdThat's how the Apple firmware works too actually
04:13:41Kronuz(I'm battery freak as you might have noticed) :P
04:13:44GaloisI mean, as far as persistent storage works
04:14:07Kronuz(but it's just 'cause it goes dead very quick)
04:14:12Paul_The_NerdThe Apple firmware is loaded from a hidden partition. We inject our bootloader there, and it redirects and loads ours off of the FAT32 partition, making it easier to update.
04:14:12Galoisrockbox is not great on battery right now, if that's your highest priority then look elsewhere or give people a few months to work on it
04:14:28Kronuzokay, got the latest firmware and there are a bunch of files in the zip
04:14:33Paul_The_NerdYeah, Rockbox's battery life is probably about half that of the stock iPod firmware at the moment.
04:14:48Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Read this page:
04:15:22KronuzGalois: elsewhere like where ? :P
04:15:39KronuzI'm guessing iPL is worse on that area
04:15:49Galoisother devices, for example
04:15:58Paul_The_NerdiPL is certainly worse in playback features.
04:16:15Paul_The_NerdRight now on the Archos and iRiver players that Rockbox supports, it gets better battery life than the retail firmware.
04:16:23Paul_The_NerdHopefully we'll be able to achieve that on iPods too in time.
04:16:34Kronuzbesides, Galois, I'm a programmer, I can try improving rockbox in that area ;)
04:16:54Kronuz(don't scare me away)
04:17:12Kronuzreally, rockbox seems great
04:17:22Kronuzit has many features I wanted to have like crossfade
04:18:23Kronuzdoes the source code compiles with what compiler?
04:18:30KronuzI mean it's not x86 :P
04:18:48crashdyou need to setup a toolchain
04:19:01crashdcheckout the compiling wikipage
04:19:05KronuzI'll get into that later :)
04:19:06XavierGrget the vmware developer enviroment
04:19:12XavierGror install cygwin
04:19:12Paul_The_NerdKronuz: The iPods have ARM7 cores.
04:19:15KronuzI can't wait to get it going :)
04:19:19XavierGrbith can be foudn on the wiki
04:19:25XavierGrah both
04:20:22Kronuzit's like one of those times you want something to be done so bad you can't even read the instructions straight
04:21:01Kronuz(and you start getting dizy with all the excitement)
04:21:41Kronuzand som many questions too!! :P
04:21:55Kronuzwill my current collection work with rockbox?
04:22:03Kronuzcan I still use iTunes?
04:22:22XavierGrhmm it depends
04:22:22Kronuzwhat skins does it come with?
04:22:30XavierGrno DRM music with Rockbox
04:22:51XavierGryou can use itunes, I think, but you can't use its database
04:23:06KronuzDRM music?
04:23:08Kronuzwhat's that?
04:23:09XavierGrskins is the high point of rockboc
04:23:23Galoisyou can build a parallel database in rockbox and access your existing music that way
04:23:27XavierGryou can have a complete configurable while playing screen
04:23:29Paul_The_NerdKronuz: You can't use any music purchased from iTunes, but you can use music you ripped yourself then synced with iTunes.
04:23:41GaloisDRM music is copy-restricted stuff that you buy from iTunes Music Store
04:23:47Kronuzthat's okay, I don't get DRM music
04:23:54Kronuz(that's what I meant ^_^)
04:24:22Kronuzis the botloader the same? I mean, it's not updated often, like the daily firmware
04:24:40Galoisthe bootloader probably never needs to be updated
04:24:49Kronuzoh, good :)
04:24:54KronuzI'm on the right path then
04:27:01Kronuz... reading partition now :)
04:28:13Kronuzipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 3 bootpartition.bin
04:28:19Kronuzwrong window :P
04:28:54Kronuzhmm... I suppose it was -e 0 not -e 3
04:30:52Kronuzokay... about to install the bootloader :S
04:31:22Kronuzif something goes wrong, where's the original firmware?
04:31:50Kronuzit's apple_os.bin and apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin, right... but how do I make an appleboot.bin?
04:32:01XavierGrKronuz: Don't worry even if you manage to do something wrong you can't brick it
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04:32:13Kronuzthanks :)
04:33:00Kronuzhmm interesting
04:33:04Kronuzit's doing something
04:34:11chendoi still get hardcore screen corruption when the HD is spinning on my H230
04:34:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04:39:40Kronuzit's like a folder browser
04:40:00Kronuzit was really easy to get into te iPod :)
04:40:09XavierGryou managed to boot into rockbox?
04:40:17Kronuzyep a few minutes ago
04:40:23XavierGrthen enjoy :P
04:40:30Kronuzcan't find music
04:40:39Kronuzit''s on the iPod database format
04:40:49Kronuzcan't Rockbox read that?
04:40:53Galoisthe normal way to put music into rockbox is to copy the mp3 into one of the folders
04:40:59Galoisany one except iPod_control
04:41:34Galoisthe stuff that you uploaded with iTunes is in its own special folder with mangled filenames
04:41:34Kronuzbut then I won't be able to use the other firmware to listen to music, will I?
04:41:42Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Read the TagCache wiki page
04:41:56Paul_The_NerdIt'll scan the files that iTunes copied onto your player, and create a database for Rockbox to use.
04:42:04Kronuzlol, it's all in the FAQ
04:42:11*Paul_The_Nerd knows.
04:42:15Galoisif necessary, you can use the tagcache feature in rockbox to browse your music files via the database instead of via folders
04:42:16*Paul_The_Nerd wrote a large portion of that FAQ
04:42:27Kronuzthanks for that Paul :)
04:42:29Paul_The_NerdIdeally though, there's no reason to use the Apple firmware for music.
04:42:44Paul_The_NerdBut at the moment it does still beat us in battery life, and AAC support
04:42:44Kronuzjust worming up with rockbox ;)
04:42:52Galoissome of us have never used the apple firmware to play music, so we do not have these problems
04:42:53Kronuzand video
04:43:14Kronuzit doesn't have video support right?
04:43:16Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Looks excellent
04:43:35Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Yeah, no video, but video support has nothing to do with having the Apple firmware being able to see your *songs* ;)
04:43:48Genre9mp3Let's hope it's clear enough...
04:45:17chendoany ideas on my screen corruption problem?
04:45:39XavierGrGenre9mp3: The stop on H100 remote goes one level up too.
04:45:58XavierGrbut I guess that the H300 remote has a joystick so it should be changed
04:46:52Kronuzthe HDD seems to be spining a lot ... that must be the issue with the battery for iPods using Rockbox, right?
04:47:22Genre9mp3XavierGr: Where? Menus or File Browser?
04:47:31Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: It makes enough sense to me that I'd expect anyone doing the programming should be able to either work it out, or be intelligent enough to actually ask questions. ;)
04:47:56Kronuzbut, really, tell me which one is better, Rockbox or iPodLinux?
04:48:05XavierGrGenre9mp3: both
04:48:06Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Define "better" and we'll tell you which on is it.
04:48:25Kronuzjust having fun with the FAQ
04:48:26Galoisbetter means which IRC channel you ask the question on, duh
04:48:39Paul_The_NerdAs for the HD spinning thing, Rockbox actually reads your drive instead of a database, so it has to spin up to see the contents of the disk. You can use Dircache to database the filenames and remove this spinup.
04:48:48KronuzI honestly would go for the Rockbox
04:49:00Kronuzas it's a project designed for music players
04:49:13Kronuzthe other one seems of a more general purpose
04:49:17Genre9mp3XavierGr: In the main unit Stop goes up a level only in menus
04:49:30Genre9mp3in the file browser it just stops the music
04:49:52Paul_The_NerdKronuz: That's the general consensus. If you bought an iPod to listen to music, then you probably want Rockbox. If you suddenly have this driving urge to own a very fashionable but minimally functional PDA, try iPodLinux
04:50:02XavierGrbut the H100 remote goes up 1 level on both
04:50:21XavierGrbecause there is no joystick
04:50:26Genre9mp3So since the button configuration in the H300 LCD remote is the same with the unit...I think it should do the same as well
04:50:33Paul_The_NerdIt should
04:50:58Paul_The_NerdThe H100 remote has constraints because it lacks the similarity to the controls, but the H300 has the exact same set of buttons as the main unit, right?
04:51:02XavierGrGenre9mp3: yes, I agree I am hust refering to it
04:51:20Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: right
04:51:33XavierGrPaul_The_Nerd: Interestingly though, the H100 remote has more buttons that the main unit.
04:51:54Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: I had noticed that
04:51:56Genre9mp3XavierGr: The H300 remote, too
04:52:05Paul_The_NerdThe +10/-10 right?
04:52:09Genre9mp3It has the +10/-10 buttons
04:52:15*Paul_The_Nerd sooooo called it.
04:52:32Kronuzhow do I know it the TagCache has finished?
04:52:38Paul_The_NerdIt stops reading the disk
04:52:49Kronuzand... how can I know that?
04:52:54Kronuzjust the vibrations?
04:52:55Paul_The_NerdThere's an icon near the clock in the top right corner that flashes.
04:53:00Paul_The_NerdAs well, yes, the vibrations.
04:53:02Genre9mp3+10/-10 surprisingly work fine on the H300 LCD Remote
04:54:20Kronuz"good vibrations"?
04:54:40Kronuzit's done, how do I find TagCache player to start playing stuff?
04:54:52Paul_The_NerdRead the rest of the TagCache wiki page.'s almost 6.00AM I should go to sleep :)
04:55:02Paul_The_NerdIt *should* tell you everything
04:55:12Genre9mp3XavierGr: Why we do that to ourselves? :)
04:55:13Kronuznigt Genre9mp3
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04:56:16XavierGrI am still waiting my H340 too turn off
04:56:23XavierGrThat's why I still up
04:56:24earHertzanyone want to do some alpha testing for me on an ipod video?
04:56:31XavierGr29 hours of playback! :D
04:56:38XavierGrand still going...
04:56:44XavierGr"keep walking..."
04:57:11XavierGranyway good night for you.
04:57:29Genre9mp3Hope for you to surpass 30 hours
04:57:42XavierGrI will wake you up if it will
04:57:53Genre9mp3No you wont!
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05:02:12KronuzI love it :)
05:04:10Kronuzhow can I boot to the original firmware?
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05:04:43Galoisthis is certainly in the FAQ too. Press and hold menu while you're turning the thing on.
05:04:56Kronuzthanks Galois :)
05:12:26midkayearHertz, what? :)
05:12:45earHertzI have a scroll wheel speed/acceleration mod
05:12:57earHertzit doesm't work great, but it workls ok
05:13:09midkayi wouldn't mind trying it, no..
05:13:28earHertzcan you hang on a sec?
05:14:20earHertzI should warn you it's only for the 60GB video. Is that what you have?
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05:24:08Kronuzhey, font seems too small... how can I change the font size?
05:24:59midkayearHertz, sorry - yes.
05:25:10chendo19 hours and estimated 2.5 hours left playing 230bit oggs with 2200mAh battery
05:25:41midkayKronuz, 'browse fonts'?
05:25:41Kronuzchendo: how do you get those estimations?
05:25:51chendodebug menu-> battery, press up 3 times
05:25:53earHertzmidkay: no prob, I had time to remove thej worst screwups to the screen. I shoulsd tell you however, it still fucks up the screen a bit.
05:26:08midkayno prob, let's see how it works. :)
05:26:09Kronuzmidkay: but nothing happens... does it come with fonts by default or do I have to get them?
05:26:26midkayKronuz, ah, you need to go to the daily builds page and install the fonts zip.
05:26:34Kronuzchendo: how accurate is that estimated?
05:26:39midkayall the fonts should be in /.rockbox/fonts after unzipping.
05:26:48Kronuzoh, ok :)
05:27:09Kronuzdo the fonts have to match the build version?
05:27:44midkayno.. they rarely change.
05:27:51chendoKronuz, no clue, but it's actually a bit lower than it is now..
05:28:08chendolike originally it reported 15 hours on a full charge but it's been running for 19 hours and has 17% left
05:28:39Kronuzchendo: what player do you use?
05:32:13midkayearHertz, i see it's reporting the accel level, but it doesn't do anything, does it?
05:32:18midkaydoesn't seem to move any faster.
05:32:24earHertzmidkay, right
05:32:33midkayah, no wonder. cool though. :)
05:32:47earHertzactually, the scrolling is somewhat more sensistivre, but no acceleration happens
05:33:09midkayyeah, it does seem a bit more sensitive..
05:37:30earHertzYes, that's not actually necessary to the acceleation
05:38:02earHertzBut it helps, I think. The standard is a little too "stiff"
05:38:48midkayaccelleration is necessary i think. this is nice because it's a bit faster, but i think it'd be harder to select a particular file from a list.
05:39:03midkaythis speed to get where you want to go, the standard speed for selecting what you want to select when it's visible..
05:39:14XavierGrchendo: you will get way more than the estimation.
05:39:16earHertzyeah, that's the idea
05:39:33earHertzhwen you get close to where you want to be, you should move your finger slower
05:39:44XavierGrmine said 3 hours ETA, 7 hours ago.
05:39:57XavierGrthe ETA needs to be calibrated with latest optimizations
05:41:13earHertzmidkay: teh problem is, it's very difficult to keep the accel constamt. Tryu to keep it at accel 1 and see what happens
05:41:13chendoXavierGr, yeah...
05:41:47chendohow about you do something like the thing in KDE where you select how many pixels the cursor will travel before applying accelleration?
05:42:02chendolike, 5 menu entries before applying acceleration
05:42:29earHertzchendo: Eventuially I'm going to add seleting accel by where teh finger touches down, and by how many times you tap before scrolling
05:42:39earHertzactually, I already wrote a version of teh first one
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05:43:12earHertzchendo: oh that/ I don't like that
05:43:42KronuzI'm starting to like Rockbox A LOT!
05:43:44midkayearHertz, yeah, i noticed..
05:45:30earHertzmidkay: ok, now try scrollling fast very close to the hub, and again very close ro the outer margin.
05:46:06midkaysomewhat of a difference, but not that bad..
05:46:07earHertzSince it's a disk, the closer you are to the hub, the faster you go. and as you move aroufnfd the circle, your thunmb will describe an elipse not a circle.
05:46:09Kronuzcan Rockbox be compiled with mingw?
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05:46:23midkayearHertz, yeah, but not that big of a deal..
05:46:25earHertzKronuz: no
05:46:40earHertzmidkay: I've been trying to solve that teh last three days!
05:46:53midkaysolve what?
05:46:58earHertzI've verified that the numbers are right −− it's not the code, it's the actual numbers
05:47:04earHertzteh non-constancy
05:47:07*Paul_The_Nerd finally removes the reference to Rockbox.bat from the SimpleGuideToCompiling.
05:47:12Kronuzmingw compilation, of course :P
05:47:16midkayer.. :)
05:47:57earHertzKronuz: you wat cygwin. except it's way too slow. install the virtual linux using teh free vmwafre
05:48:28KronuzI totally dislike cygwin :(
05:48:32Paul_The_NerdIn theory one could compile with Mingw
05:48:34Kronuzwhy doesn't it work with mingw?
05:48:51Kronuzit should be possible
05:48:57earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: can it complile the cross compilers?
05:49:10Paul_The_NerdearHertz: There's no real reason I can think of that it shouldn't be able to.
05:49:21Paul_The_NerdBut I'll admit, I may not know enough to make that call
05:49:26earHertzKronuz: myabe I was to hasty
05:50:01Paul_The_NerdKronuz: The main reason is that both Cygwin and Mingw have their nice little quirks, and nobody's gone through with Mingw recently and tried to either resolve them, or determine whether it's possible or not.
05:50:20Kronuzdo I need extra libraries?
05:50:51Paul_The_NerdI would recommend just trying to follow the CrossCompiler wiki page, and seeing if you can do that.
05:51:03KronuzI will
05:51:19Kronuzbut I was wondering about external libreries (to start getting them if I have to)
05:53:23earHertzOk, a 30GB version is also available
05:54:03earHertzKronuz: get teh vm. really. it compiles much faster
05:54:03Paul_The_NerdTechnically you only need the 32mb version, since it'll run on 60gb units, and just leave half the ram unused.
05:54:11earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: yes.
05:54:18Paul_The_NerdBut since you've got both, that's good too
05:54:59Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Your best bet is to read the Cygwin installation instructions, and make your judgement based on the packages that are listed as "required" for Rockbox development
05:56:17XavierGrwell it finally died
05:56:25XavierGrnow, lets see how it went
05:56:43Kronuzwhat's that?
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05:57:06XavierGrladies and gentlement we have a new record!!!
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05:57:34XavierGrH340 with 1900mah battery playing 128kbps mp3s:
05:57:37Paul_The_NerdKronuz: GCC compiled as an arm-elf crosscompiler.
05:57:45XavierGr30 hours and 20 minutes!!!!!
05:57:53Paul_The_Nerdarm-elf-gcc, sh1-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc are all explained on the CrossCompiler wiki page.
05:58:00Paul_The_NerdAs well as their respective binutils and gdb
05:58:08Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: Quite impressive
05:58:16Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: And that's only a 1900?
05:58:30XavierGryes, isn't this great?
05:58:38Paul_The_NerdIt's quite impressive, yes
05:59:12XavierGrI can now rest in piece knowing that I can have the most out of my DAP...
06:00:08XavierGrwow 2171 measurements
06:00:29Paul_The_NerdIt's kinda sad that on players where they actually use the battery life as a selling point, the battery life can still be improved a good bit.
06:01:30chendo19 hours 25min so far on 230kbit OGGs
06:01:34ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: i'd be inclined to suspect they do it for the usability issue where they want to be able to power it on long enough to show a 'low battery' warning when it's low.
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06:01:58chendoETA 2hr25min to go, but the ETA's way to short
06:02:02XavierGrchendo: if this turn out lower than mine, you should make another one with mp3s to break my record!
06:02:14chendoif i have any 128kbit mp3s ;p
06:02:36Paul_The_Nerdashridah: I think 4 hours of battery life difference is more than "Just long enough to show a low battery warning"
06:02:48Kronuzfor some reason I can't see the TagCache anymore :(
06:03:00Paul_The_NerdKronuz: How do you mean "can't see it"?
06:03:16Kronuzwell it was working fine
06:03:24XavierGrchendo: I tried with 160kbps but it will be nearly the same for both 128 and 192
06:03:55chendowell, i'll try that
06:04:18Kronuzbut then I installed a skin (jBlackGlass, for which I had to get a new binary) ... now I can't see the list of songs
06:04:36XavierGrhmm paste bin can't take the whole file
06:05:12Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Can't see as in "I can't read it because of the background" or can't see as in "It shows the filetree" or can't see as in "It tells me TagCache isn't initialized"?
06:05:35Paul_The_NerdKronuz: It's really hard to be helpful when you use vague statements, and can't see usually implies a problem with either the eyes or the backlight, rather than the software.
06:05:47KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: can't see it as is there's nothing if I'm not in the menu
06:06:00Kronuzlike I can only see the background
06:06:09Paul_The_NerdAnd the "File View" is still set to ID3 ?
06:06:18Paul_The_NerdYou checked?
06:06:28Kronuzsure I did :P
06:06:33Kronuzif I set it to All I can see the files
06:06:48Kronuzbut if I set it to ID3 nothing shows
06:06:54Kronuzit was working before the skin
06:07:04Kronuz(it's a pretty nice skin btw)
06:07:04Paul_The_NerdWell, you installed the patched build to use the skin, right?
06:07:12Paul_The_NerdDid you rebuild the database with the patched build?
06:07:20Kronuzyes, I tried that too
06:07:36Kronuz(first I thought that was the problem, but nope, still doesn't work)
06:07:41Paul_The_NerdDid you delete the old tagcache data files?
06:07:57Paul_The_NerdAll the .tcd files
06:08:04Paul_The_NerdAnd do NOT deleted tagnavi.config.
06:08:04Kronuzdo I have to?
06:08:17Kronuzcan I delete files from the ipod?
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06:08:24Kronuzor do I have to connect?
06:08:28Paul_The_NerdClick and hold "Select" on a file, and choose "Delete"
06:08:33Paul_The_NerdThey're in the .rockbox folder
06:08:47KronuzI'm starting to like Rockbox even more !!
06:08:58Paul_The_NerdAs a note, if this doesn't work, you're gonna have to take it up on the thread discussing that build, as it's more likely an issue with the build by that point.
06:09:56XavierGrso it seems that H300 has 1300mah battery and not 1400mah
06:10:26XavierGrdoing the calculations 1300 seems to be more close.
06:12:30Kronuzokay updating again
06:12:38Kronuzthat was slow (deleting all those files)
06:12:53Kronuzyou know I think they should havew their own folder
06:12:58Paul_The_NerdIt has been suggested that there be a "select mode" for selecting multiple files.
06:13:03Kronuzso that one could thelete the whole folder at once :P
06:13:13Kronuzor that too :P
06:13:13Paul_The_NerdReally when things are working there should never be a need to delete them
06:13:20Paul_The_NerdIt's mainly your fault for switching to a patched build.
06:13:37Kronuzwell the skin is so much nicer :P
06:14:07Kronuzstill nothing
06:14:11Paul_The_NerdIt's just eyecandy.
06:14:19Kronuzit is :)
06:14:29Paul_The_NerdWell, go ask on the skin's thread if others are having that problem then
06:14:33Kronuzbut TagCache doesn't work :(
06:14:46KronuzI might try to fix it myself
06:14:52Kronuzonce I can get it to compile
06:15:19Kronuzprobably I'll ask ...
06:17:29Kronuzhow do you switch from the files list to the play mode and back?
06:17:38KronuzI'm having a hard time figuring this out :P
06:17:39Paul_The_Nerd"play mode'?
06:17:50Kronuzwell where you play MP3
06:17:57Paul_The_NerdYou mean the "While Playing Screen"?
06:18:01Kronuzyou know
06:18:08Paul_The_NerdYou see that when music is playing.
06:18:17Paul_The_NerdI don't know what you mean by "switch to it"
06:18:29Paul_The_NerdYou can go back to it if you leave it while music is playing. If you're at the filetree, tap Play
06:18:38Paul_The_NerdIf you're in the menus, just back all the way out.
06:19:00Kronuzfrom/to menus is always easy :P
06:19:18Kronuzbut from the list of files to the "Now Playing" it's funny
06:19:43Paul_The_NerdWell, I don't think "Tap play" is that tricky
06:20:41Paul_The_NerdUsually, the confusion is people think they should be able to back their way up to it from the file view as well, but there are a variety of reasons while that's the case, starting with "The filetree is the base of Rockbox, not the WPS" and all the way to "It makes it vastly easier for blind users to use, and they've told us they agree"
06:22:10Kronuzonce I'm in the WPS how do I go to the files?
06:22:26Kronuzoh :P
06:22:35KronuzI think I found it
06:22:36Paul_The_NerdTap Select.
06:22:46Kronuzyeah :)
06:22:51Kronuzthat was easy :P
06:23:21Paul_The_NerdSelect is basically the only button in the WPS that doesn't do what the actual label on it says, but since it doesn't have one that's okay
06:24:20Kronuzhmm... funny... while on the files, browsing the files, the sound stops (it starts again after I stop navigating)
06:24:39Paul_The_NerdWhile scrolling, you mean?
06:24:46Paul_The_NerdKnown bug.
06:24:50KronuzI see
06:24:55Paul_The_NerdInterrupt based driver.
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06:26:42KronuzI found a "feature"... when I navigate to the wps folder and select one wps file, the skin of the wps changes (I think I used the "wps" name one too many times :P)
06:27:01Kronuzbut the skin of the file navigator remains the same
06:27:46KronuzI think I'm just confused :P
06:28:08Kronuzyes, nevermind what I said it was stupid :P
06:30:10Kronuzif it wasn't for the lack of video player and the non working ID3 TagCache the Rockbox in my iPod would be perfect :P
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06:31:02Paul_The_NerdThe battery life has some room for improvement too.
06:31:13Paul_The_NerdAnd codec optimization so you can actually use the equalizer without skips.
06:31:21midkaynon-working ID3 tagcache? hm?
06:31:36Kronuzvideo will be an option for future versions of rockbox?
06:31:47Kronuzmidkay: yeah, it's not working here :(
06:31:57Kronuzit is
06:32:08Kronuzit was working before I installed a patched binary
06:32:20midkayafk a bit.
06:34:36Kronuzfrom the file navigator (how do you call it?) it never goes back to the wps by default?
06:34:44Kronuz(after a while)
06:34:46***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
06:35:43XavierGrok time to rest
06:35:48Paul_The_NerdThe file navigator is the main screen.
06:35:54XavierGrit's 7.35 in the morning here
06:36:11Paul_The_NerdIt'd be kinda strange for it to jump to a non-main screen after a given period of time, but mainly, nobody's bothered to create an option for that yet.
06:36:12KronuzXavierGr: okay g'night (or shall I say good day? :)
06:36:13XavierGrthe damn dap took my whole night sleep.
06:36:29XavierGrI will probably sleep until midday.
06:36:36XavierGrlucky me it is Sunday
06:36:40XavierGrdigital audio player
06:36:44Kronuzlol :P
06:36:52XavierGrbye all!
06:36:57XavierGrand good day/night
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06:37:22KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: I can't wait to start programming for it :)
06:37:29Kronuz(for rockbox, that is)
06:37:46Kronuzhey, Paul, are you an "official" developer?
06:38:14Paul_The_NerdDepends on your definition of Developer
06:38:36Kronuzwell, an active programmer with cvs access
06:38:52Kronuzhow is this project with their new-commers (policies about cvs access)?
06:39:04Paul_The_NerdI don't write code for Rockbox (although there's maybe 3 lines of my code in it, somewhere). I don't have CVS access. But, I'm generally considered a member of the project.
06:39:39earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: is an important part of thre project.
06:39:44Paul_The_NerdGenerally CVS access is given once they've seen some of what you've written, in terms of patches etc, and know that you have a good idea what is and is not acceptable. Y'know, you have common sense.
06:39:48KronuzI haven't tried iPL.. but rockbox seems so great, I might never try it :P
06:39:59earHertzHe's the guy we blame when things go erong
06:40:06Paul_The_NerdI'm perfect for being blamed. :)
06:40:35Paul_The_NerdMainly, I deal with the users.
06:40:47earHertzhe "deals" with them
06:40:50Kronuzthat's cool :)
06:40:59Kronuzdevelopers come around here often?
06:41:02earHertzLike Tony soprano deals with rats
06:41:27Paul_The_NerdThere are several devs in the room right now, though odds are decent they're sleeping
06:41:29KronuzI'm also a programmer in the DOSBox project, but they have very restrictive policies about cvs access
06:42:50KronuzVERY restrictive (like only three or four have access)
06:43:00Paul_The_NerdOh, it's not by any means close to that restrictive.
06:43:40KronuzI've always thought cvs should be for teams... some projects only have one developer with access
06:43:41ashridahabout the only restriction is that there's no anonymity for patches
06:43:49ashridahand of course, GPL licensed
06:43:49Kronuzthose are the "VERY VERY restrictive"
06:43:57Paul_The_NerdYou have to be willing to accept having your Real Name in the Credits file.
06:44:42ashridahKronuz: i use CVS for my own private work at uni, simply because it gives me an audit trail, and a fantastic way to work out where a bug started happening
06:45:13Kronuzthat's okay by me... in fact I would have wanted to have my name somewhere in DOSBox (even their website) for the improvementes I've made :P
06:46:18Kronuzashridah: private work, you said so yourself :P there are projects with tenths working on them nd just a couple developers with cvs access
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06:46:51Paul_The_NerdKronuz: One way to recognized devs in here is that most of them have a rockbox/developer/nickname hostmask
06:47:44Kronuzas in?
06:48:32Paul_The_NerdWhen you see people enter the room, you see them often being blah@ip_address_or_host and devs will have rockbox/developer/blah instead, simply
06:49:48Paul_The_NerdIt'll also showup in their whois info, of course.
06:50:06Paul_The_NerdOr you can just ask "Any devs around?" and see if any speak up.
06:50:53Kronuzone reason for the automatic go-back-to-wps is volume
06:51:04Kronuzyou can't change the volume while navigating the files
06:51:28Kronuzand if you leave it there... well, you can't set the volume afterwards (as easily)
06:52:07Kronuzhow can I set the bootloader to go to the original firmware by default?
06:52:16Paul_The_NerdRecompile it with a few changes.
06:52:25Paul_The_NerdDo you really watch videos more than you listen to music?
06:52:31KronuzI thought there was an option
06:52:54Kronuzwell.. the battery is the thing taking me to the original firmware more than anything
06:53:49Kronuzbut there are some other things... sound skipping when I navigate... volume not easily accessible after you leave in the file navigator... ID3 not working...
06:54:00Kronuzand until I have the chance to fix this or someone has... :P
06:54:17KronuzI'll work on compiling Rockbox, I truly want to help :)
06:54:23Paul_The_NerdWell, for one, you don't *have* to leave it in the file browser.
06:54:29Paul_The_NerdOne tap of play and it's not there any more
06:54:58Kronuzyeah, I know... but still, I'm probably too used to the apple's way
06:55:45*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
06:55:52Kronuzit can become so much better than it already is ... I'd put those two things as options, for instance (boot firmware and auto-wps)
06:55:55Paul_The_NerdIt's not a hard change to the bootloader
06:56:00Paul_The_NerdIn fact I think it's merely change a == to a !=
06:56:15Kronuzit's not if you can compile it ^_^
06:56:15Paul_The_NerdThere's no reason for Boot Firmware to be an option
06:56:24Kronuzyeah, probably not
06:56:28Paul_The_NerdThe whole purpose of Rockbox is to be a primary firmware.
06:56:40Kronuzonce it's working 100% rockbox would be primary firmware
06:56:54KronuzI want to help :)
06:57:07Paul_The_NerdAnd for now, Rockbox isn't for users, so putting in user-friendly temporary options is kinda pointless. ;)
06:57:12Kronuzvideo is an issue? or it's just not implemented?
06:57:15Paul_The_NerdWell, Rockbox-on-ipod
06:57:19Paul_The_NerdVideo is a difficult one
06:57:40Paul_The_NerdThe iPod 5G has an additional chip, the broadcom one, and it needs some reverse engineering so someone can actually know how to use it.
06:57:44Kronuzdoesn't iPL handle video?
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06:58:16KronuzI guess not.. after what you've just said
06:58:22Paul_The_NerdiPL plays uncompressed video only
06:58:32Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't use the broadcom chip at all for that.
06:58:43Kronuzwould be nice to have video tho'
06:58:43Paul_The_NerdIn fact, it can play videos on the Nano as well, but of course the filesize is huge
06:59:02Paul_The_NerdWell, they *are* Audio Players.
06:59:02Kronuzhardware playback would be nice
06:59:11Kronuz"with video"
06:59:14Paul_The_NerdOnly the 5G has video support in its original firmware.
06:59:39Paul_The_NerdAnd Rockbox is designed as an audio playing software.
06:59:47Paul_The_NerdSo video's not high on the priorities list unless someone else does it.
07:00:47Paul_The_NerdEspecially since it can only really be done effectively on the 5G, and that requires reverse engineering the chip, so whoever would be working on that would be working on something beneficial for a fairly small portion of users.
07:00:54Kronuzyeah, I know... but having some pr0n videos on an iPod is always fun :P
07:01:26saa[b_r]iderguys, on an H300 using the stock 1300 mAh battery, at what voltage should the player shut down?
07:02:13KronuzKronuz: otherwise I'll have to live with asciipr0n
07:02:38saa[b_r]iderPaul_The_Nerd: and you wonder why people think you're a dev :p
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07:03:31Paul_The_Nerdsaa[b_r]ider: Bah. I also solved why the bootloader wouldn't load the retail firmware on iPod Nano way back when. I do poke around in the code a *little* bit from time to time.
07:03:57saa[b_r]idermy H300 is shutting down @ about 3.47 V. shouldn't it go below that?
07:04:17Paul_The_NerdIsn't it the hardware itself that triggers the poweroff?
07:04:34saa[b_r]iderPaul_The_Nerd: the RB community can use everyone's help, glad you've made you contributions
07:05:03Paul_The_NerdMy primary contributions are in the forums anyway
07:05:16saa[b_r]ideryeah I think so, but isn't 3.47 v a bit high for the player to poweroff? iirc, it use to go down to 2.XX
07:05:19Kronuzwhat theme do you guys use?
07:05:36saa[b_r]iderKronuz: you mean WPS?
07:05:41Kronuzand how do I make the art work work?
07:05:44Kronuzyep WPS
07:05:46Paul_The_NerdI use a very simple one of my own devising.
07:06:06Paul_The_NerdAnd as for Album Art, that's something you should just go read about. It's not an offiicial feature, so you're better off reading the patch notes, wherever that is.
07:06:12KronuzI really like the jBlackGlass but it breaks my ID3 :(
07:06:53Kronuzalso what's that full screen thing?
07:07:09Paul_The_NerdWhat full screen thing?
07:07:19KronuzI read somewhere
07:07:25Kronuzabout fullscreen
07:07:28Kronuzor something
07:07:38Paul_The_NerdThe term fullscreen makes no sense on its own
07:07:47Paul_The_NerdUsually you have a noun of some sort that is being stretched to full screen.
07:07:48saa[b_r]iderI've created my own... Knightbox (for H300 and 4G iPod photo)
07:07:48saa[b_r]iderPaul_The_Nerd: do you have an H300?
07:07:48saa[b_r]iderKronuz: sounds too vague
07:07:56Paul_The_Nerdsaa[b_r]ider: Nope.
07:08:13saa[b_r]iderH100 and a nano?
07:08:26saa[b_r]ideror no iriver at all?
07:08:33Paul_The_Nerdsaa[b_r]ider: Of devices that run Rockbox to some degree I have: Archos Jukebox Recorder v1 20gb, iHP-120, iFP-799, and iPod Nano 4gig.
07:08:37KronuzI read somewhere something about setting fullscreen mode in the settings or something like that
07:09:06saa[b_r]iderPaul_The_Nerd: sweet! hard core RB user!
07:09:06Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Fullscreen mode for *what* though? You may have noticed that things tend to take up the full screen as it is. Are you maybe talking about the gameboy emulator?
07:09:14Kronuzoh, full_screen_logo ??
07:09:19Kronuzthere's a patch for that
07:09:25Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Yes, there is.
07:09:26Kronuzbut I read it somewhere else
07:09:27saa[b_r]iderbootup logo
07:09:40Kronuzin the wiki somewehre I belive
07:10:10saa[b_r]iderkronuz: to have a bootup logo take up the full screen, you'll need to compile your own build
07:10:21Paul_The_NerdWell, the only full screen option I know of relates to the gameboy emulator..
07:10:29Paul_The_NerdThen there's the full screen logo patch
07:10:40Paul_The_NerdWhich probably isn't the one he saw in the wiki, at least.
07:11:13saa[b_r]iderso instead of having the yellow rockbox logo at bootup on the RB blue background, you'd have whatever logo you used when compiling...
07:12:15KronuzI like the estimated playback time left
07:12:40Kronuzstep accell scroll patch?
07:12:44Kronuzwhat's that about?
07:13:00Kronuzand the lcd ipodvideo duffs device
07:13:16Paul_The_NerdRead the patch notes. The whole concept of patches is that they're code from *other* people
07:13:35Paul_The_NerdThough the duff's device one adds ~1fps on 5G ipods.
07:14:20KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: where are the patch notes? where do you keep them?
07:14:50Paul_The_NerdThe patch tracker
07:14:58Paul_The_NerdLinked to from the front page, and everything...
07:15:06Paul_The_NerdThe link that says "Patches"
07:15:58Paul_The_NerdSome of the julius patches have not been submitted to the tracker, though, I believe.
07:16:14Paul_The_NerdA few of the ones he made himself, I believe
07:16:31Kronuzdoes julius comes here often?
07:16:44Kronuzwhat timezone is he in?
07:16:47Paul_The_NerdNo clue
07:16:52Paul_The_NerdI've seen him once or twice
07:17:05Paul_The_NerdYour best bet is asking on the thread he's got in the forum, probably
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07:18:31Kronuzhow can you tell what's the name of the font currently used?
07:19:17Paul_The_NerdYou can't unless you go to "Manage Settings" and have it save a config file, then find the font line in that
07:19:49Kronuzthe current font should be selected by default when you go into the fonts menu
07:20:58Paul_The_NerdThe fonts menu is actually just a file browser localized to the directory, though I guess that could be possible.
07:21:56saa[b_r]iderproperly made WPSs have the intended font for the WPS saved in a .cfg file. so when you browse "themes", it would load both the proper WPS, and proper font, plus backdrops, colors etc..
07:22:01Kronuzsome times when you select a new wps theme it doesn't change after it's loaded
07:22:27Kronuzat least on th ejBlackGlass themes
07:22:53Kronuzwhat's another nice looking theme like the jBlackGlass?
07:23:12saa[b_r]iderhave you looked at the WPS gallery at
07:23:26KronuzI did... but there are too many themes there
07:23:44Paul_The_NerdA new WPS will just change the while playing screen
07:23:53saa[b_r]iderand that's a bad thing?
07:23:54Paul_The_NerdA new Theme will change other things
07:24:06KronuzI liked the jBlackGlass one... but it needs the patched binary and it breaks my ID3
07:24:32KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: what do you mean?
07:24:59KronuzI got confused :P
07:25:59Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Also, if a WPS doesn't set a backdrop, but a previous one had one, you may end up with the previous WPS'es backdrop
07:26:13KronuzI see
07:26:14Paul_The_NerdPeople often mistake this for it not changing the WPS, or "merging" two
07:26:23Kronuza backdrop is the background?
07:26:56KronuzI like the "next song" caption
07:27:34KronuzI think volume works better than on the original firmware :)
07:27:37Paul_The_NerdA backdrop is the image that is behind everything yes.
07:27:46Paul_The_NerdAnd our volume has a greater range, yes.
07:28:08KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: do you happen to have the compiled libraries that I'll need to link rockbox?
07:28:23Kronuz(for the codecs, etc)
07:28:33Kronuzor will I have to compile those too :S
07:28:35Paul_The_NerdFor the codecs?
07:29:27Paul_The_NerdAnd compiled libraries? Everything needs to be source since the binary format is different for different targets.
07:29:58KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: oh, right...
07:30:10Kronuzit would have to be for the ipod video
07:30:36Paul_The_NerdPretty much everything you need is in the source package.
07:30:51Kronuzoh, really
07:31:46Kronuzinteresting it is there :)
07:32:08KronuzI just would have hated to need to get all those libraries source codes
07:32:56Paul_The_NerdYou just need a working development environment with crosscompilers, and the source code, I believe
07:33:15KronuzI guess I'll instal linux on a vmware
07:33:26Paul_The_NerdWe have a VMWare image for download
07:33:37Paul_The_NerdIf you have VMWare player, you can just download our image and it'll have everything set up for you.
07:33:37KronuzearHertz said earHertz is too slow
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07:33:48Kronuzthat's even better!! :)
07:34:01Kronuzwhere? where is it ??
07:34:09Kronuzthings just keep getting better :)
07:34:23Paul_The_NerdWe do try to make it fairly easy for people to dive in.
07:34:31enzymecan some one help me install the inhansed frames per second patch for the ipod g5
07:34:51Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: Have you read the guide to compiling and compiled your own build?
07:35:11KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: that's a good thing
07:35:19enzymecan you give a link please
07:35:36Paul_The_NerdKronuz: There's even a shell script for Linux users to set up the crosscompilers for them, leaving the user to just add them to the path and be done.
07:35:37Kronuzmany other projects would have just said "do it all youserlf or go away, we don't need you anyway"
07:37:42Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: That page should also go over the basics of patches.
07:37:55KronuzThe only bad thing is I won't be able to dim the backlight after all :(
07:38:10Kronuzthat's what started my quest that lead me to rockbox
07:38:10enzymeok thats way too confusing paul
07:38:33Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: And believe it or not, that's the "Simple" guide.
07:39:45Paul_The_NerdReally, that guide is what you've got. You gotta figure out compiling before you can patch.
07:40:14Paul_The_NerdBut honestly, of all the patches you could pick, one that adds 1fps on average is not the one you want. You really shouldn't even be able to notice a visible difference from it, or if so minimally.
07:40:35Kronuz1fps on average of what?
07:40:44Kronuzwhat's that ~1 fps patch for?
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07:41:05Kronuz(sorry I'll look the notes, I promise)
07:41:16Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure how to explain it any more simply than "It adds 1fps"
07:41:29Kronuzbut 1fps to what?
07:41:43Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean "to what"?
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07:41:58Kronuzit adds 1 frame per second to what?
07:42:00Paul_The_NerdYou add frames per second to the frame rate, usually...
07:42:10Kronuzsound frame rate?
07:42:15enzymeis there a way to make song with 320kbps prevent skipping
07:42:15Paul_The_NerdVideo frame rate.
07:42:41Kronuzthat's a weird patch... why is that extra 1 fps needed?
07:42:55enzymewell it says 2-3fps
07:43:07Paul_The_Nerdenzyme: If it's still skipping when you have no EQ set, and a text-only WPS with no scrolling and no peakmeters, then you'll just have to wait 'till Rockbox is more optimized.
07:43:41Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Really, the extra 1fps isn't needed, but that also means that at the same FPS, less time is spent doing video, and more time can be spent elsewhere like audio decoding.
07:44:38KronuzI'll have to read the patches notes
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07:54:38Kronuzwhat are those things inside the rocks directory?
07:55:25ashridahyou can use them via the browse plugins menu.
07:55:43Kronuzthat's interesting
07:55:54Kronuza game is always a plugin?
07:56:39ashridahso are codecs, although they fit in in a slightly different way (so ordinary plugins can often work at the same time, provided they don't need too much memory)
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08:01:06Kronuzis mp3 decoding done by hardware?
08:01:09Kronuzor a codec?
08:01:22Kronuzin iPod 5G
08:01:52Paul_The_NerdIt's all codecs on everything but the archoses.
08:02:27Kronuzdoesn't the ipod have mp3 hardware decoder?
08:02:35Kronuz(don't really know)
08:02:47KronuzI see
08:02:58Kronuzit has hardware video decoder, though... right?
08:03:29Paul_The_NerdIt has a chip that is probably a hardware video decoder.
08:03:47Kronuzbut nobody knows exactly?
08:03:55Paul_The_NerdThere's no documentation for it.
08:03:58Kronuzwhat if it also is an mo3 decoder?
08:04:04Paul_The_NerdWhy would it be?
08:04:15Kronuzto save battery
08:04:19KronuzI don't know
08:04:24Paul_The_NerdNo previous iPod has had that chip
08:04:27Paul_The_NerdSo it's kinda unlikely
08:04:54Kronuzyeah, but thinking it's a video decoder (mpeg4 decoder, I presume)
08:05:02Kronuzit might also come with an audio decoder
08:05:37Kronuzwhich could make the ipod work with less battery by decoding in hardware
08:05:51Kronuzjust a thought I had
08:06:25*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
08:06:39Kronuzit could be
08:06:39Paul_The_NerdThere's not much point in speculating, since it doesn't matter what it can do until someone figures out what it can do.
08:07:09Paul_The_NerdAt the same time, it's also possible that it's just a coprocessor used for video decoding, since it has its own, somewhat large, extra firmware file
08:07:19Paul_The_NerdThat could be the various video codecs
08:07:33Kronuzwell, speculation it's all it's left then
08:08:05Paul_The_NerdSpeculation's kinda a waste of time though. You think "what if" and then if it turns out the other way, all the what ifs weren't much use at all.
08:08:13*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
08:08:22Kronuzc'mon it's a processor with no specs?
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08:08:30Kronuzthat's weird
08:08:35Paul_The_NerdSo's the main core.
08:08:45Kronuztailored just for the ipod?
08:08:54Paul_The_NerdWe know it has two ARM7TDMI cores, but everything else about the PortalPlayer SoC is pretty unknown.
08:09:09Paul_The_NerdThe PortalPlayer core is used in a few other MP3 players, no public docs.
08:09:16Paul_The_NerdThe Broadcom one, I dunno.
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08:10:03Kronuzwhat exactly is PortalPlayer?
08:11:00ashridahit's a music playing platform
08:11:39ashridahbasically, a company wanting to make an mp3 player to sell would license the basic design and order chips etc off portalplayer, finish the design, and sell it
08:11:42Paul_The_NerdPortalPlayer makes so called "System on a Chip" things that they sell to DAP manufacturers.
08:12:29Kronuzand iPod 5G has one of those PortalPlayer chips
08:12:29Paul_The_NerdThey have a general reference design that many companies adapt to production MP3 players. Apple seems to have strayed a bit further from the reference than most though (or made theirs before the reference existed)
08:12:41Paul_The_NerdAll the iPods use PortalPlayer chips
08:12:48Paul_The_Nerd'cept the shuffle
08:13:11Kronuzand the other chip the iPod 5G has is not a PortalPlayer, right, it's something else
08:14:40Kronuzthat's what Broadcom is
08:14:57Kronuzwhat's with the name? how is it known?
08:15:15Kronuzso even the PortalPlayer chip might have more stuff that's already known
08:16:57Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean by "That's already known?"
08:17:06Paul_The_NerdAs for the Broadcom one, if I remember correctly, it's stamped on the chip
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08:18:00KronuzI mean that the PortalPlayer may be able to do more stuff than that what is currently known to do
08:18:13Kronuz(if the specs are not public)
08:18:42Kronuzlike a hardware MP3 decoder
08:18:58Kronuz(what's with me and the hardware mp3 decoder?) :P
08:19:22ashridahKronuz: apple wouldn't have bothered with a hardware mp3 decoder, since they needed to do AAC anyway
08:19:37Kronuzyeah, probably
08:19:54Kronuzbut what if the PortalPlayer already comes with one?
08:20:08KronuzI mean it's for portable players isn't it?
08:20:16Kronuz(wasn't designed by apple)
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08:22:24Kronuzhey, if I want to install iPL after having installed rockbox, you know if I have to uninstall it first or something?
08:22:53Paul_The_NerdYou don't have to.
08:22:57Paul_The_NerdBut it may be easier to.
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08:23:26KronuzI don't like that about losing my collectionin the iPod to be able to install iPL
08:23:32Paul_The_NerdThe portalplayer chip *probably* doesn't have a hardware MP3 decoder, because the iPod under apple's firmware changes clock speed along with the bitrate of VBR MP3s, and Apple would probably know about it and use it if it had one.
08:23:51Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Technically, you don't have to lose your collection. That's just the lazy/easy install.
08:24:11Kronuzoh, but it says about the partition size
08:24:21Paul_The_NerdKronuz: If you feel like resizing your FAT32 partition, then formatting the empty new partition as ext2 or ext3, you can do so without losing the data on your FAT32.
08:24:31Paul_The_NerdUnless your FAT32 is fairly full
08:25:08KronuzIt's probably easier to just copy the whole content of the drive
08:25:17Paul_The_NerdVery possibly
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08:25:32Kronuzunless the apple firmware saves stuff in the other "hidden" partition
08:25:52Kronuzthat's needed for the collection
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08:26:03Kronuzyou know if it does?
08:26:38Paul_The_NerdI don't believe so.
08:27:45Kronuzstill it'll take too long
08:28:02Kronuzthen again it's probably faster to resize the partition myself
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08:28:57Paul_The_NerdYeah, but if you do it wrong, you lose data. ;)
08:29:24Kronuzokay, if I want to "uninstall" the bootloader and have it as it was before rockbox, what's needed to be done?
08:30:03Paul_The_Nerdipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin
08:30:09Paul_The_NerdAssuming you kept the original bootpartition.bin file
08:30:37ZenMasterJGKronuz: or use Apple's restore utility, if you wanna wipe the slate clean
08:31:11Paul_The_NerdThat wipes your music
08:31:14KronuzZenMasterJG: that would kill my collection
08:31:15Paul_The_NerdHe already said he didn't want to do that.
08:31:39KronuzI did keep the bootpartition.bin :)
08:31:43Mikachuif you want to resize the partition so it's smaller from the end, you probably have to use partition magic
08:31:53Mikachuunless ipl provides some utility for that?
08:32:37Kronuzwow that bootpartitionis the 112 MB one
08:32:45Kronuzwhy is it so big?
08:32:56Mikachuapple can't code
08:33:15Mikachusince it takes so long to boot their firmware, they decided to dump the entire memory contents to disk when shutting down
08:33:29Mikachulike hibernate in windows
08:34:18Kronuzit's just that's probably faster and uses less battery I suppose (not that they can't code) ... I belive
08:34:41Mikachurockbox starts from complete shutdown to playing music in 7 seconds on my nano
08:34:46Mikachuapple... does not
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08:34:58Paul_The_NerdAnd 5 of those 7 seconds can be eliminated by removing the Apple firmware altogether
08:36:08Kronuzcan you remove the apple firmware altogether then?
08:36:51Paul_The_NerdThough a slightly different series of steps with the ipod_fw tool
08:36:56Paul_The_NerdThrough, rather
08:36:59Mikachujust don't use it when creating the firmware partition image
08:37:02Galoisis this documented anywhere?
08:37:09Paul_The_NerdMikachu: What do you mean?
08:37:13Mikachui think you might need to use an empty or 1kB file
08:37:24Paul_The_NerdYeah, you use an empty file in place of the apple_os.bin
08:37:31Galoisthe apple firmware is an unwanted albatross around my neck as far as I'm concerned
08:37:33Paul_The_NerdAnd I think -l (lower case L) instead of -i
08:37:39Mikachui may say things out of order as i'm a bit tired
08:37:53Paul_The_NerdI could be slightly wrong though
08:38:01Paul_The_NerdSo don't got all experimenty and then blame me if it doesn't work
08:38:06Paul_The_NerdFeel free to experiment and not blame me though
08:38:40Paul_The_NerdI had my Nano running without the Apple firmware, but because of the abysmal transfer speeds in the hardware disk mode, I restored it for transferring files
08:38:43Mikachuit would be fun if you could replace the firmware partition from inside rockbox...
08:38:57Mikachuso you could select between quick boot and ability to transfer files quicker (this only applies to nano)
08:39:07Paul_The_NerdMikachu: There's not much reason to, except to remove the bootloader from the startup process in the future.
08:39:31Paul_The_NerdYou could put rockbox.ipod in the firmware partition, and have it boot straight to it, no bootloader at all
08:39:47Paul_The_NerdI imagine you could do it in a similar way to the firmware_flash.rock for the Archoses
08:40:15Galoisthat sounds like exactly what I want, booting straight to rockbox.ipod
08:41:10Paul_The_NerdWell right now it still has to load the Rockbox bootloader which then loads Rockbox.ipod
08:41:55Paul_The_NerdIt's just, instead of loading the Rockbox bootloader *and* the apple firmware, it'd just load the bootloader if you don't have the apple firmware present, which is much quicker.
08:42:50ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: i seem to recall someone attempting to get rockbox to sit inside the flash chip on the iriver H1xx. it didn't go well :)
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08:43:17Paul_The_Nerdashridah: Actually, if I recall someone finally succeeded.
08:43:27ashridahdid they?
08:43:34Paul_The_NerdI'm about 80% sure I remember hearing so
08:45:00*ashridah casually bludgeons Paul_The_Nerd for mentioning probability
08:45:04ashridahsorry, reflex action ;)
08:45:59Paul_The_NerdMy memory is uncertain at best, so I have to assign probabilities to things.
08:53:52Kronuzokay, I have to get going now
08:54:02Kronuzit's a little late and I'm a bit tired :P
08:54:27Kronuzbye Paul, and thanks :)
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09:04:16scorche43110 70 y0u 700!
09:04:21*Paul_The_Nerd dies
09:04:29*Mikachu d135
09:05:00*scorche g1gg13z
09:20:34*amiconn updated ReleaseTodo
09:22:12*Paul_The_Nerd cheers
09:23:11amiconnJumping from 10% to 'Done' isn't bad, eh?
09:23:38Paul_The_NerdNot bad at all
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09:26:58midkaynice to see most of these things green..
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09:28:32midkayisn't "Support for platform specific versions of themes" done?
09:28:56midkaythe whole system about only including sizes for specific LCD sizes..
09:29:11midkayonly including WPS' for specific LCD sizes*
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09:40:44Paul_The_NerdRecent word from the WMA guy: "Yes, still around, there have been a lot of changes since the version in the patch tracker. Life certainly has been busy and that's stopped me ironing out the current bug I have. More soon!"
09:41:03Paul_The_NerdWhich means, at least, that he's alive.
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09:44:27midkaywhew.. i was getting pretty worried that he'd been hit by a bus.
09:45:39Paul_The_NerdIt had been over a month since he'd even logged into the forums
09:45:55midkayhence the bus theory.
09:51:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Ever seen this before?
09:51:58midkaymaybe not that particular screen, but that's clearly the Recovery Mode.
09:52:10Paul_The_NerdHow do you get into it?
09:52:29midkaypower on, select+left.
09:52:38Paul_The_NerdSomeone got there while inside Rockbox.
09:53:00*midkay narrows eyes
09:53:09Paul_The_NerdAll he knows is that he pressed left
09:53:14Paul_The_NerdHe was in the filetree, music was paused
09:53:42midkaysince left is involved in the combo to get there, maybe somehow it was rebooted ... *shrugs*
09:55:04midkaypretty weird either way.
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10:02:14Paul_The_NerdThe whole contiki thing.
10:02:15Paul_The_Nerd's kinda neat
10:02:59midkayokay, so it's.. um.. some kind of small OS..
10:03:04midkayhow original and neat...... :)
10:03:18scorchefor 8-bit systems...
10:03:25Paul_The_NerdA very, very, very small OS. With working TCPIP
10:04:15Paul_The_NerdI note that they list a lack of networking support for the NES but not the Gameboy
10:04:17scorche175k for the binary
10:04:40Paul_The_NerdOh, right, the link port.
10:04:58midkayah, nice.
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10:11:13bluebrotherRedBreva, you're in?
10:11:46bluebrotherhave you noticed that task:
10:12:27bluebrotherI think it looks nice but needs patches −− maybe you want to include it on rockbox-themes?
10:13:22bluebrotherthe requirements could be listed in the wps notes.
10:13:46RedBrevahmmm, up till now I have been avoiding WPS's that require patched versions... WAAAAY to many oportunities for new users to get confused
10:13:56Paul_The_NerdI'm closing that entry
10:14:07Paul_The_NerdJust to let y'all know
10:14:34bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, I was thinking about that a few minutes ago ;-)
10:14:40Paul_The_NerdToo late, it's done
10:14:53Paul_The_NerdThere's no point in submitting WPSes for inclusion if users can't use them.
10:15:16bluebrotherhehe. Right.
10:15:17RedBrevaNot that I have any interest in AA and the associated margin patches, the soon they get included the better...
10:15:41RedBrevaToo many people complaining that they ae not in, or asking how to patch
10:15:41Paul_The_NerdAlbum Art still needs metadata on buffer
10:15:59Paul_The_NerdAt the moment I understand it hits the disk with every track change to load the cover bitmap
10:18:00RedBrevaI have never really understood why someone would want to display AA anyway... My dap stay in my pocket when it's in use... do some of these people actually walk araound looking at the screen the whole time?
10:18:09Paul_The_NerdHonestly, I don't understand the people who were like "I wasn't gonna use Rockbox, but once I saw it could have album art, I changed my mind"
10:19:06Paul_The_NerdSeriously, if I wanted to see the Album Art I'd rather have a large jpeg and load it with the viewer when I wanted to see it.
10:19:23RedBrevaheheh, me and you both ;-)
10:19:40JdGordonAA sux
10:19:43JdGordonhey all..
10:20:12JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: u gonna go ahead with the forum re-arranging?
10:20:14RedBrevaalthough I would have to get a iPod Video first, I struggle to see much on the screen of the Nano at all - Damn, I must be getting old :(
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10:21:15Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I really haven't settled on a final design yet. There are some major flaws in the proposal I haven't solved. As well, not that many people have given feedback. There's no rush to change, so I want to make sure whatever plan I settle on makes as many people, if not everyone, happy
10:21:43RedBrevaNow that iCather is in CVS, and is platfor specific (fonts etc), has a decision been made to changing the default theme?
10:22:16RedBreva** Must learn to type better!
10:24:32JdGordonbetter fix the theme first...
10:24:50JdGordoni just tried it, it didnt remove my last background, and it didnt change the foreground colour
10:25:06*JdGordon sticks with ajant
10:25:53bluebrotherok, I added a note to the wps guidelines page to not use any patches ;-)
10:26:37bluebrotherspeaking of themes, I looked in the tar file format yesterday. Looks pretty good to me for a bundled themes format.
10:26:38RedBrevaCool, it will get completely ignored anyway, but at least we can rant with a clean concience
10:26:46bluebrotherhehe :)
10:27:02Paul_The_NerdI always rant with a clean conscience.
10:27:15bluebrotherthe submitter of that wps seems to have read the guidelines −− he wrote he complied with them
10:27:17Paul_The_NerdIf it hit my conscience every time I issued complaints to someone, man, I'd be nuts by now
10:28:46Paul_The_NerdWell, in most cases they don't even know to submit it to the tracker unless they've read the guidelines
10:29:53RedBrevaI will try to find time later today, to iron the remaining kinks out of the rockbox-themes code... once I am happy with that, would it be worth considering a "clearing house" approch to subbmiting WPS's... ie send them to me, I check that they at least basically function, then stick them on the site
10:30:38bluebrotherRedBreva, sounds great.
10:30:56RedBrevaAnd I still need to type slower, and more accurately... Probably learn to spell too!
10:31:10Paul_The_NerdOne of the remaining kinks is this: The theme needs to be able to *clear* a prior WPSe's backdrop, if the new one doesn't have one.
10:31:25bluebrotherI found the wiki wps page always a bit complex
10:31:36JdGordonyou gonna script a checker for the wps's to make sure they only change colours/fonts/backgrounds/etc?
10:31:59Paul_The_NerdI think one of the key things about submitted WPSes is that they all need to have the proper format within the zip, so if you extract them into the root the files end up in the right place.
10:32:04*bluebrother can't use backdrops at all (h120)
10:32:09midkaythere isn't that much to look through.. probably a submission or two a day? .. easy enough to check the config file yourself, since you have to try it anyways.
10:32:16RedBrevaInitailly, I would do it by hand
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10:32:52JdGordonmidkay: ye, but scripting it would be nicer anyway
10:33:20RedBrevaand more consistent
10:33:33midkayJdGordon, meh..
10:34:02JdGordonis rockbox-themes php or perl?
10:34:12midkaymy point is that if you're suggesting scripting it, suggest scripting it, instead of asking casually whether they are going to script it when it's so unlikely! :)
10:34:30JdGordondamn, if it was php id offer to script everything for it (me has perl exam on friday, need to "study")
10:34:39JdGordonif it was perl sorry...
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10:34:56bluebrotherone could also write an automated upload-script for rockbox-themes that places the themes in an "untested" category until they are manually moved to the "tested"
10:35:23bluebrotherperl exam? uuuh.
10:35:27RedBrevaI am open to suggestion for the basic format of such a piece of code ;-)
10:35:39JdGordonthere isnt really anything to test tho? just make sure it has all the files, the config is correct and the paths are all good?
10:35:56Paul_The_NerdYou could also have a webform type submission
10:36:02Paul_The_NerdPaste the .wps code into a big empty field
10:36:15RedBrevaand that the image is PNG, the correct size, the txt file with desction is corect format etc.
10:36:28JdGordonthe image needs to BMP.. not PNG
10:36:32RedBrevaor even description
10:36:33Paul_The_NerdThen fill in "Font" "Foreground" "Background", and then upload a menu backdrop .bmp if there is one, as well as a .zip with all the rest of the bitmaps
10:36:40JdGordonunless u mean the screenshot?
10:36:41bluebrotherJdGordon, the preview pictures are png.
10:36:47JdGordonah, soz
10:37:35RedBrevaPaul_The_Nerd: I like your way of thinking
10:37:39amiconnHmm, perhaps have a sim controlled by the web server script to auto-generate the preview?
10:37:53amiconns/a sim/one sim per target/
10:37:55Paul_The_NerdRedBreva: It's a little complicated to set up, but it forces submitters to maintain a rather strict format.
10:38:16JdGordonyou have problem when they have 30 bmp's to upload...
10:38:24JdGordonunless u let them upload all of them in 1 zip?
10:38:26bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, this is pretty similar to what I meant as "automated upload-script" :)
10:38:32Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Notice I said that the backdrop is a .bmp, then the rest are zipped.
10:38:43JdGordonnope :p
10:38:49*JdGordon missed it
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10:38:50bluebrotherthe script could also auto-adjust to more files.
10:38:58RedBrevaPaul_The_Nerd: and makes the entire thing almost maint free :D
10:39:14Paul_The_NerdOnce it's done, yep
10:39:18bluebrotherbut adding each bmp separately would make the submission a bit lengthy.
10:39:41Paul_The_NerdThough you'd have to have a test to make sure that the .wps code itself was compatible with the target it was aimed at.
10:39:53Paul_The_NerdAt the moment, what happens of a clock tag shows up in a non-RTC target?
10:40:20amiconnIt'll just show the tag literally, minus the % afaik
10:40:24Paul_The_NerdThat's what I thought
10:40:29Paul_The_NerdIt really should be graceful about that
10:40:32JdGordondo the clock tags actually work in cvs yet?
10:40:36RedBrevasame with backdrop?
10:40:42Paul_The_NerdThey're on the CustomWPS page, I think
10:41:12Paul_The_NerdSince there are many cases where a WPS fits multiple targets because of the same screen size, but won't work because some don't support all the tags, it should just display nothing if it's an unsupported tag, no?
10:43:16JdGordonwell.. a script could easily remove those lines during the upload
10:43:16RedBrevaThe current trend to submit one WPS with 30 different background images is p1551ng me off at present... any suggestion on handling that one?
10:44:07Paul_The_NerdI dunno how best to handle variant-themes
10:44:41Paul_The_NerdIn most cases the WPS stays the same but some/all images are changed (usually often just colors)
10:45:42Paul_The_NerdIf the whole .tar thing (or some other single-file method) were used, then you could have the .wps and the resource file be two separate things
10:45:52Paul_The_NerdThen they could just download the resource they wanted to use.
10:46:03JdGordonwhat we need id a colour-map system so we can submit 1 wps/bmp combo and have a list of colours to be changed in the actual code
10:46:35bluebrotherJdGordon, do you think this will work for full color targets?
10:46:47bluebrotherI like the tar resource file idea.
10:47:03JdGordonno reason why it couldnt be done, it would slow down the wps loading, but it is possible
10:47:09Paul_The_NerdYou *could* have like, 16 user-colors.
10:47:26Paul_The_NerdSince the 24-bit image is downgraded to 16-bit anyway, there's a lot of colors that get approximated
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10:47:40Paul_The_NerdThe author can avoid those anyway, and some of those can be assigned as the user-colors.
10:47:57Paul_The_NerdPrior to downgrading to 16-bit, the user colors can be substituted.
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10:48:10RedBrevaI certainly don't want to add 10 entries in the table for Aardvark (for example, so just pick one image for the screen shot, and include all the othes in the *VERY LARGE* zip file
10:48:13Paul_The_NerdThen you have "Foreground" "Background" and 16 shades.
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10:48:52Paul_The_NerdIt would work very much like the current translucent color (where the backdrop or background is drawn instead)
10:48:58Paul_The_Nerdtransparent color, rather
10:49:39JdGordonye, cept it would be done as pre-processing when loading the image, instead of on the fly like transparecny
10:49:41Paul_The_NerdRedBreva: With the Aardvark one, those aren't even different WPSes, it's just different backdrops. To me that would be an entirely different gallery, just for backdrop images.
10:49:47Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Exactly.
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10:50:29*Paul_The_Nerd never understood why the transparent color was 255,0,255 instead of 254,0,255 or some other almost-absolute color
10:50:46JdGordonwhats the difference?
10:51:15Paul_The_NerdSimple, what if you want to use Hot Pink?
10:51:16RedBrevaI really don't see the point in these multiple backdrop images - not till RB supports timed backdrop rotation :D
10:51:23Paul_The_NerdRight now, you raise both sliders, then pull one of the back by one.
10:51:45Paul_The_NerdWell, Magenta I guess
10:52:04RedBrevaanyway, later guys, fathers day here, and I am just about to be taken out for a treat, not sure what yet
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10:52:17Paul_The_NerdIt seems to me, if we're lowering the color depth to 16-bit, we shouldn't use maximum-value colors for reserved things.
10:52:41Paul_The_NerdIt should always be in-between ones. Of course, it's not 24-bit anymore by the time you reach the realtime bit, so... I dunno
10:52:59Paul_The_NerdAnd yeah, it's 4am here, I should sleep
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11:02:18*JdGordon thinks ive got it this time :p
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11:30:12bizinichimonjiwill rockbox only work on ipod 4th gen or higher?
11:30:35ghode|afkhello, does anyone know if there are problems with dircache and the ipod5g?
11:30:50ghode|afkfor some reason it won't build the dircache upon reboot
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11:40:21JdGordonbizinichimonji: rockbx works on everything newer than the mini 1g iirc
11:40:28ghode|afkwell thats funny, just dropped my ipod on the floor. it rebooted by itself and now dircache is working. great.
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11:57:23nudelyn2Anyone have advice on what to use to convert a lot of FLAC files into WMA Lossless? (Sick of not being able to play my music on my Xbox 360)
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13:31:18kristiannBrowsed the manual and, but haven't really found information about if fm-radio works with the iPods (with the radio-remote attached) or not, and if it does, how to use it? (Only found the remote mentioned, that it works, and it does, as a remote. But what about radio?)
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13:31:57ashridahkristiann: i don't think anyone's implemented it yet, to be honest.
13:33:35amiconnThe remote doesn't work on ipod as we don't have a working serial i/f driver
13:33:50amiconnAlso, technically the ipod doesn't have a radio
13:34:12amiconnIt's the radio remote that actually contains the fm chip
13:35:08kristiannWell, the remote _does_ work. As a remote. Not as a radio −− I have to boot apple to listen to that. But the remote works fine in rockbox too.
13:35:47markunamiconn: H300 can be included in the 3.0 release now you solved the power issue, right?
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13:37:49JdGordonanother round of drinks for amiconn coz he is brilliant :D
13:38:14saa[b_r]ideramiconn! you're here... a HUGE thank you goes out to you!
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14:12:02JdGordonhas any1 done the hardware mod on the us h300 to egt usbotg working? im getting it done tomorow and want to make sure it does actaully work
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15:01:17tucozquite an understatement: amiconn spoke a total of 772445 words! amiconn's faithful follower, preglow, didn't speak so much: 497784 words.
15:01:25tucoz(from the irc-stats)
15:01:42amiconnI know I'm talking too much...
15:01:53Mikachumonthly or total?
15:02:24tucozYes, but saying that ~half a million words is "not speaking so much" ...
15:03:28Mikachuinteresting, the rockbox ircstats is only one day later than the stats i keep for #gentoo-se :)
15:03:32Mikachuthe starting date
15:03:48Mikachuah wait, it wasn't generated today, still within a week though
15:04:09Mikachuduring that time, "Mikachu spoke a total of 1717709 words!"
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15:04:18tucozhehe. quite impressive
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15:04:28Mikachumaybe that makes amiconn feel better
15:05:11tucozMikachu, you were involved in some other open source project right?
15:05:17*amiconn should talk less and code more :/
15:05:56Mikachutucoz: yeah, openbox
15:06:29Mikachualso done some small things for various other projects
15:06:44Mikachui think my name appears in at least 10 different cvs commit logs
15:07:00tucozopenbox looks cool
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15:07:57tucozare there lots of users of openbox?
15:08:10Mikachui don't know, haven't counted them :)
15:08:32Mikachu30 people on the irc channel
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15:19:44tucozmaybe a stupid question, but why are the .c files filled with includes? Is this common in c programming. I usually program in c++, and keep the includes in the .h file.
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15:20:09amiconnHmm, the grayscale value->real brightness mapping is remarkably non-linear on the H1x0
15:20:22*amiconn put together a gamma test plugin
15:20:29Mikachutucoz: that sounds crazy to me
15:20:43tucozto include stuff in the .h file?
15:20:54dionoeathat doesn't sound crazy to me
15:21:00tucozwhy is that?
15:21:02dionoeaif you need a struc def from another .h
15:21:52dionoeabut headers only needed for the .c file shouldn't be included in the .h
15:22:04tucozthat is true
15:24:04preglowtucoz: it's good practice to stuff all includes you can in the .c file to minimise parsing
15:24:51tucozInstead of having the precompiler do those checks for you?
15:24:54preglowrule of thumb is, if something is needed in the c(pp) file only, include it there, if it's needed both places, stuff it in the header
15:25:13tucozgood to know
15:25:40preglowif a file gets included several places, the unneeded header parsing quickly adds up
15:26:16tucozI can see that...
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15:32:09preglowhow i hate header files
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15:58:10Mekrobanyone here
15:58:22bluebrotherno :D
15:59:07Mekrobhas anyone tried rockbox on a sansa 2e60
15:59:22bluebrotherMekrob, it isn't supported yet
15:59:28Mekrobor is their anyway i could play games like jeweled on it
15:59:33Mekrobor doom
15:59:37Mekrobyah i checked that
15:59:47Mekrobbut i wanted to know if anyone has tried
16:00:52Mekrobi heard i could watch videos on a anano
16:01:37bluebrothernot really.
16:01:58bluebrotherrockbox doesn't support video right now.
16:02:17Mekrobive seen people watching video on a nano
16:02:22Mekrobhow is it posssible?
16:02:25bluebrotherbut I believe there was some proof of concept working. But don't quote me on that.
16:02:42Mekrobtheres videos on utube
16:03:11bluebrotherthe nano should be fast enough to decode actually. Assuming the codec isn't too cpu intensive.
16:03:41bluebrotherbut right now there isn't any support for video in rockbox.
16:04:05bluebrothermaybe someone wrote a plugin playing small videos. Don't know, I don't own a nano.
16:04:37Mekrobim just trying to find a way to save me some money
16:04:47Mekrobthe video is wicked expensive
16:05:04Mekrobthe 3 260 is relatively cheap but then i cant play doom
16:05:13Mekroband nano doesnt play full videos
16:05:18Mekrobso im lost
16:05:42chendoresults done for new battery test
16:06:01bluebrotherfrom what I found on youtube it looks more like ipl
16:06:44bluebrotheripod linux.
16:07:35Mekrobyou cant run ipod linux on nanos and videos yet i heard...
16:07:41tucozyes you can
16:08:11Galoisit's not "supported" but it works
16:08:11bluebrotherthe ipl project status page lists the nano.
16:08:37Mekroband nano could only play clips
16:08:46Mekrobor full length movies
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16:09:30tucozI think that the video support in ipod linux is by use of uncompressed video. not sure though
16:09:59Mekrobso is that a no on the full length?
16:10:47tucozWell, that is "how much uncompressed video can you fit on your nano/video"
16:11:26Mekrobso what is the best option out
16:11:33Mekrobif i want video and rock box
16:11:39Mekroband cheaper is better
16:11:47tucozI would say rockbox, and play video with the apple firmware
16:12:22Mekrobi mean like actual player
16:12:31Mekrobipod 30 gb i river
16:12:41Mekrobwhatever is best
16:13:41tucozI see. Maybe the x5? I think the h3xx players are the best at the moment.
16:14:30tucozThat is, the h3xx are the video capable (with the original fw) players that works best with rockbox
16:14:55tucoziriver h320/h340
16:14:56Mekrobis it cheapish
16:15:09Mekroblike what do they go for around
16:15:35tucozYou'll have to run a search on ebay for that. I don't think they are produced anymore
16:15:51Mekrobo well that doesn't help then
16:15:59Mekrobmy granparents are willing to buy one
16:16:09Mekrobbut they are anti ebay
16:16:20Mekrobthey want to buy it from sort of retailer
16:16:24tucozhehe. My grandparents doesn't even know what ebay is
16:16:26Mekrobokay ill check
16:16:29mikearthuramazon's second hand stuff is supported by amazon's guarantee
16:16:42Mekrobmine dont like it because of the news talking down on it
16:18:07Mekrobis this an example of one
16:19:12tucozjust make sure to not buy the drm capable version. I don't think rockbox works on those. again, not sure... ;-)
16:19:54Mekrobi want doom
16:20:00Mekrobthat will be so awesome
16:20:01tucozthe international versions work fine
16:20:04Mekrobbtw how is it
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16:20:10chendotucoz, it works
16:20:17Mekrobhow are the graphics
16:20:19chendoi flashed one over 4 days ago
16:20:19tucozah. ok. then i take that back
16:20:30chendographics are great
16:20:31chendofps is great
16:20:35chendodunno if sound works now
16:20:41chendocontrols i didn't like but that was ages ago
16:21:29Mekrobsounds cool
16:21:33tucozalthough doom works fine, i wouldn't buy an expensive player just to play doom
16:21:48Mekrobi heard you can play and mp3 while playing the game
16:21:48tucozbut thats me
16:21:50Mekrobim not
16:21:57Mekrobi want video and mp3s
16:22:01Mekrobbut theyll get old
16:22:10Mekrobill never get tired of killing
16:22:30tucozyeah, with rockbox you can get a few extra years out of your player
16:22:38tucozas long as the hardware is fine
16:22:55chendomy H340's lasted me a year and a half
16:23:04chendobattery was sucking but i replaced it
16:23:07chendoso now it's great
16:23:10chendosolid player
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16:23:25chendoiriver make good stuff...
16:23:27Mekrobthe h340 takes a hella long time to load
16:23:30tucozI think my h120 is 2.5 years old now. Still happy
16:23:35tucozMekrob, not with rockbox
16:23:40chendoplayed with a T10 2gb... very nice
16:23:47chendoMekrob, it's just scanning all the files
16:23:53chendowhich rockbox can optionally do
16:23:55Mekrobwhat is?
16:24:31_FireFly_the h3xx scans the harddrive for music-files which it can play
16:24:33_FireFly_on boot
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16:24:52Mekrobso it takes a long time?
16:24:58chendoon the iriver firmware
16:25:04_FireFly_yepp with the stock firmware
16:25:31Mekrobwell then im not getting that
16:25:42Mekrobif i want to listen to music i want it then
16:25:49chendothat's why you install rockbox......
16:25:50Mekrobnot have to wait 8 more minutes
16:26:00*chendo slaps Mekrob
16:26:01Mekrobrockbox fixes it
16:26:13_FireFly_Mekrob: only the original firmware is doing this, rockbox boots faster
16:26:19tucozMekrob, my h120 booted in like 20 seconds with the original firmware. With rockbox, it boots in around 5 seconds
16:26:23Mekrobhow is video on the iriver
16:26:32tucozi would expect something similar on the h300's
16:26:40ashridah(and non-existent in rockbox atm)
16:26:53Mekrobwell im looking for video
16:26:55chendovideo is crappy on the iriver, but the screen's too small anyway
16:26:56tucozMekrob, maybe a ipod video is your best choice at the momen tehn
16:26:57Mekrobi travel a lot
16:27:04chendoif you want video, then buy a proper PMP
16:27:07Mekrobthats what i think
16:27:12Mekrobbut it is expensive
16:27:45dionoeabuy the archos AV 500
16:27:45Mekrobi dont care about the ipod name
16:27:51Mekrobi want the functionality
16:27:59Mekrobis it good?
16:28:05dionoeait looks good :)
16:29:02tucozmaybe this one is an option,
16:29:28Mekrobits more expensive then an ipod
16:29:44Mekrobanyone use the opera browser btw
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16:31:04Mekroburg this ticks me off every time i click a link in opera it changes the page
16:31:09Mekroband i cant see my tabs
16:32:44Mekrobeveryone died i guess
16:32:56dionoeaor nobody cares about opera :)
16:33:20ashridahwhat he said
16:33:22Mekrobwhat browser do you use
16:33:32*ashridah pats konqueror
16:33:43Mekrobyou have a mac
16:33:54Mekrobi use firefox also
16:34:06Mekrobi use all 3 ie fire fox and opera
16:34:15Mekrobopera has a built in irc though
16:34:28Mekroband voice commands
16:34:29ashridahMekrob: what makes you think i have a mac?
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16:35:04Mekrobi thoought konqueror was for macs only
16:35:11dionoeasafari is macs
16:35:15ashridahuh, no
16:35:19ashridahyou're thinking of safari
16:35:19dionoeaand it's based on konqueror
16:35:31ashridahit's based on KHTML
16:35:38Mekrobi used to have a mac
16:35:44Mekrobbut sold it
16:36:37Mekrobi hate to admit but ipod does have the best out for its money now
16:36:45Mekrobi use to think it was just the name
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16:37:03Mekrobbut no ohers compare for price:benefits
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16:37:46GaloisI would never have gotten an ipod if not for rockbox
16:38:03Mekrobi want doom and black glass
16:38:11Mekrobthats why i want rockbox
16:38:26kerbI thought about the iAudio X5, but I'd have to import it since I didn't find anyone selling it for any reasonable price here in Norway
16:38:38Mekrobi will watch my movies in apples firmware until rockbox gets ironed out
16:38:40kerbAnd when I discovered Rockbox my prayers were answered :)
16:38:43Galoisfor me it doesn't count as a music player unless it plays ogg
16:39:07tucozkerb, so what did you get?
16:39:18kerbtucoz: ipod 5g 60gb
16:40:01Mekrobi like the i audio
16:40:07Mekrobdoes rock box wokr on it
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16:40:43Mekrobso i could play doom on this
16:40:48Mekrobwhat about video
16:41:47tucozvideo in 15fps (mpeg4)
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16:43:06Mekrobis that same as ipod?
16:43:47tucozI think the ipod video plays video at 30fps
16:43:59tucozas it has a dedicated video chip
16:44:06Mekrobso it is worse quality
16:44:18tucoz15fps is worse than 30fps, so yes
16:45:04Mekrobi was almost convinced
16:45:33dionoearockpaint lives ! dionoea/rockpaint_on_h3x0_1.png">
16:46:34dionoeanow i need to add save and load support so i don't have to draw a new frog every time :)
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16:50:53Mekrobwtf is an ogg file
16:51:06dionoealike mp3
16:51:09dionoeabut not mp3
16:51:16dionoeaan audio file most of the time
16:51:32Mekrobwhats the difference
16:51:40chendohigher quality for same filesize.
16:51:42dionoeano patents
16:51:51dionoeaor at least it's free to use
16:51:54chendosupports gapless playback easily
16:52:14Mekrobso is it better?
16:52:29Mekroband does windows media player support it?
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16:53:19chendoprobably if you have codecs
16:53:30Genre9mp3moring Xavi...
16:53:50Mekrobso is their a tool thatll convert my collection into oggs
16:54:24tucozMekrob, it's not very wise to convert from a lossy format to another lossy format
16:54:31Genre9mp3XavierGr: I was expecting you to wake up after 30 hours ;)
16:54:54tucozrockbox supports a lot of different audio formats, including mp3 and ogg
16:55:52Mekrobthen what should my audio files be
16:56:00dionoeaaac ?
16:56:24PaulJamMekrob: in what format are your audoi files now?
16:56:45tucozwhy would you want to convert them to another format?
16:56:55chendolossy format -> lossy format = bad.
16:56:59Mekrobhe said it takes up less space
16:57:07Mekrobthen what should they be
16:57:17chendoi'm off now.
16:57:21PaulJamthen leave them as mp3, or rerip from cd to another format
16:57:43Mekrobthere not from cds
16:58:19tucozthe size difference between ogg and mp3 is not that big
16:59:24dionoeadoes the font api make it possible to write somewhere else than on the screen ? (on a offscreen buffer)
17:00:29Mekrobwell if their the same quality and one is smaller why shouldnt i
17:00:59loubecause oggs are not really smaller than mp3s
17:01:06louwe are talking about kilobytes here
17:01:23louso why go through all the hassle
17:01:39Mekrobif it is the same quality and even one byte smaller why not
17:01:48Mekrobits one free byte
17:01:49louand convert your mp3s (which are a lossy format aswell) into another lossy format
17:01:56Mekrobi have time to convert them
17:01:57loujust to save .0034 megs
17:01:58Mekrobits summer
17:02:03tucozif you convert from mp3 to ogg then you'll end up with a bad sounding ogg
17:02:11louwhat tucoz said
17:02:27Mekrobwell then nvm
17:02:48tucozbut if you convert from cd to ogg, some people say that a similiar sized cd->mp3 will sound worse than the ogg.
17:03:18Mekrobi usually dont go from cd
17:04:02|reezeh|converting to another format - even if you could do it without losing any quality - just to save a kB or 2 is pointless... the cluster size of the disk partition won't allow you to save any space :)
17:04:26Mekrobif i got the freedom doom 2 thin, can i use custom maps
17:04:32Mikachui think reiser does tail packing
17:04:36Mekrobor do i need the one from the actual disk
17:04:47dionoeareiserfs on rockbox ?:)
17:05:30|reezeh|if your hard disk is formatted to say FAT32 ... and it is summat like a 20GB partition, then the space taken up is a full set of drive clusters - you won't save any space whatsoever
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17:06:52|reezeh|offhand i can't remember what size a cluster is for a disk partition that size, but best usage for FAT32 is just below 8GB per partition... that is just an example
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17:08:58Mekrob 8-)
17:09:15|reezeh|Mekrob: you using FAT32?
17:09:24|reezeh|and on what? ;)
17:09:35Mekrobi have no idea
17:09:42Mekrobim on windows xp though
17:09:45|reezeh|there you go...
17:09:51|reezeh|probably ntfs
17:10:07stripwaxreezeh - what was the question?
17:10:48|reezeh|Mekrob wants to squeeze mebbe a few bytes disc space outta his collection by converting to another format
17:12:15|reezeh|a few peeps have already mentioned that lossy - lossy is at best a bad idea
17:12:31stripwaxit is.
17:12:43|reezeh|i was mentioning the fact that trying to save a few bytes is as equally pointless
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17:13:06stripwaxrerip from the source into a better lossy format; saving a few bytes is not 'pointless' if you can store more tracks on your dap
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17:15:10|reezeh|depends... a FAT32 partition with 4kB cluster size will round up the disk space used for any file to fill the clusters... eg: a 5kB file will take up 8kB
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17:16:31|reezeh|only way round that is to archive everything into something like a zip file (but with a compressed format like mp3, ogg, mpc and so on) the archiving might just make them take up more room again anyway
17:17:02stripwaxreezeh - true but if you rerip from 160kbps mp3 to 128kbps ogg, you save about 4KB per second ..
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17:17:15stripwax(4KB per second per track ..)
17:18:24|reezeh|if you go from lossless to lossy, fair enough... but not to go from mp3 to ogg - which someone ( a few actually) mention above
17:18:42stripwaxso forget about cluster size - ripping into a 'better' lossy format (i.e. lower bitrate for equivalent quality) will save disk space
17:19:00stripwaxwhy would going from high bitrate mp3 to low bitrate ogg not save disk space?
17:19:47|reezeh|will work, but every1 advises against it... and if the saving is miniscule it won't be worth it generally
17:20:30|reezeh|best you can get soundwise too is an ogg that sounds like the mp3
17:20:43|reezeh|if you are lucky ;)
17:20:52stripwaxno, like i said, reripping from the original source. NOT from the mp3 ...
17:21:11|reezeh|well... from the original, great
17:22:35|reezeh|a Q5 ogg should do the trick... sounding better than a 192kbps mp3 ... and probably saving a good 1MB per 3.5 mins audio
17:22:47|reezeh|that IS a worthwhile effort
17:23:01stripwaxI'd reckon so
17:23:19|reezeh|but to save 1 byte...
17:23:25|reezeh|would you even try?
17:23:28|reezeh|i won't
17:24:02stripwaxwhat makes you think it would save only 1 byte? is pretty confused
17:25:32|reezeh|Mekrob was after trying to save small amounts... all i am saying is that if there are appreciable gains, by all means - give it a go, but otherwise - give it a miss
17:30:19Mekrobi didnt mean one byte
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17:30:41|reezeh|also, if Mekrob is after convering his mp3's to ogg, he could end up with worse sounding files
17:30:51Mekrobi was saying figurtively even if it was one byte its still one more byte then i had free
17:31:08|reezeh|Mekrob: yea i know mate... just taking an instance about summat you said earlier
17:31:29Mikachui think converting mp3 > 192kbps to ogg ~100kbps is not crazy if you have an ipod nano
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17:32:00|reezeh|Mikachu: i think he was on about mp3 to ogg
17:32:26|reezeh|Mekrob: am i right there: mp3 to ogg?
17:33:48Mekrobthats what i was going to do
17:34:12markunMekrob: just don't delete the original mp3 files from your computer
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17:34:49|reezeh|only chance all round is if those mp3's are at the best quality that an mp3 can be... (by the way: don't get rid of them as markun just said)
17:35:37PaulJamthe problem with transcoding lossy to lossy is, that often people expect the new file to sound equal or even better then the old file
17:35:57stripwaxright, it'll never sound better, and at best will sound 'the same'
17:36:01PaulJamand if it doesn't, they blame the codec
17:36:07|reezeh|you will be very lucky if you get as good
17:36:28stripwaxright (so, re-encode from the original source....)
17:36:43|reezeh|Mekrob: how lossy sound codecs work is by chucking away data - permanently
17:36:58PaulJamthe problem is, that he doesn't have the original sources
17:37:01|reezeh|that's why they are called "lossy"
17:37:31stripwaxPaulJam - oh, no-one said that yet. In that case he's probably s.o.l...
17:38:26Mikachushit out of luck
17:38:29tucozMekrob, in any case. You can try to convert some tracks and see if you are happy with the results. I think dbpoweramp can help you with that
17:38:50|reezeh|imho if you haven't got the original lossless files (cd / dvd / flac / monkey's audio and so on...) best thing you can do is to put all your mp3's onto cd-r / rw or dvd+-r/rw
17:38:52PaulJamthanks Mikachu.
17:38:59|reezeh|then try it
17:39:07|reezeh|but don't lose your mp3's
17:42:11Mekrobim just gunna stick with it
17:42:25stripwaxprobably easiest!
17:42:26Mekroband ive decided to get the i audion mp3 payer
17:44:42markuntucoz: my girlfriend (who is not color-blind like me) told me the color of BOX in the svg logo is not correct. What do you think?
17:45:00tucozhmm. I'll have to check
17:45:18markunaccording to her it's not gray but a bit blueish
17:45:32tucozshe is right
17:46:02tucozdidn't notice that, but the png uses a texture for that
17:46:31markunWe could use some gradients to get a similar effect perhaps
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17:49:23tucozI picked some colours from the png logo, and got r=174, g=192, b=208
17:49:24Mekrobwhats flac
17:49:48tucoza lossless format. It doesn't remove anything from the original, just compress it
17:50:12|reezeh|flac = Free Lossless Audio Compression
17:50:42PaulJamit is comparable to zip, but only for audio files
17:50:48|reezeh|is exact copy of the original - just as tucoz said
17:53:52saa[b_r]iderguys have you seen the replacement USB logo PaulJam made?
17:54:03tucozmarkun, do you think it is possible to get the writing in the bottom right corner in the logo as well?
17:54:10tucozi.e. in the svg logo
17:54:34stripwaxsaa[b_r]ider - can't say I have , no
17:55:52tucozmarkun, what program do you use to work with the logo?
17:57:01stripwaxAny info on this commit? : "Jens firmware/system.c 1.111 Iriver: faster ata timing". How much faster is 'faster' (or how much of the available ata bandwidth were we using before, and now?)
17:57:38stripwaxtucoz - I think have a link to a free svg editor btw
17:57:46markuntucoz: I use sodipodi
17:58:04tucozok. I use inkscape now
17:58:05markunI can do the writing as well
17:59:00markunBut not now as I am not at home
17:59:02bluebrothertucoz, I used inkscape some time ago.
17:59:33bluebrother(but not for rockbox ;-)
17:59:35tucozok, but i'll leave this to markun :)
18:00:16tucozwonder what that font is called
18:00:29saa[b_r]iderstripwax: (PaulJam I hope you don't mind)
18:00:41PaulJami don#T MIND
18:00:56PaulJamsorry for the caps
18:01:05saa[b_r]iderno problemo ;)
18:01:17stripwaxsaa[b_r]ider/PaulJam - looks pretty neat; I'd personally like something like 'USB Connected' to appear too btw. All that screenspace going to waster..
18:01:21stripwax^waster^waste ..
18:01:35Genre9mp3PaulJam: Nice
18:02:24saa[b_r]iderI think this logo kicks ass.. maybe we could have USB connected written as well. but as PaulJam noted, there might be rights issue since it's based on the logo from the iRiver firmware..
18:02:32saa[b_r]iderbut it has been highly modified
18:02:41tucozbluebrother, I asked around at the latex channel for tips on html output. I got a link from a guy over there, and he had used tex4ht
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18:03:07saa[b_r]iderlooks much better than the current logo imho, apologies to the current logo's designer :)
18:03:12bluebrothertucoz, I already tried tex4ht which gave the best results of all converters I tried.
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18:03:19tucozbluebrother, <- we could probably get some tips from there
18:03:21stripwaxsaa[b_r]ider/PaulJam - hrm, probably best to just draw our own in the same style, rather than base 'anything' on the iriver firmware..
18:03:27tucozlike the makefile, and sourcecode
18:03:30bluebrotheron my machine it unforutnately had problems with the button macros.
18:05:14bluebrotherbut I had only a quick look into it up to now.
18:05:25*bluebrother needs more time for hacking
18:05:35tucozhe uses \ifx\Htmltrue in the source to get some stuff right
18:05:44Mekrobhey anyone know a program that can play flash videos
18:05:58tucozmacromedia flash player
18:06:21Mekrobi mean like on comp
18:06:24Mekroblike wmp
18:06:31stripwax"on comp" ?
18:06:32Mekrobi cant find a codec
18:06:33PaulJamMekrob: you could try IrfanView with a plugin
18:06:41saa[b_r]iderstripwax: it would be cool if we had just a large USB logo (which is on the USB plug) filling the screen...
18:06:50Mekrobi tried irfan but it just displayed one image
18:06:51stripwaxsaa[b_r]ider - that would look good.
18:07:06saa[b_r]iderit actually looks a bit devilish :p
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18:07:26Mekrobi want one that will display the entire video
18:07:27stripwaxsaa[b_r]ider - heh ;-)
18:08:09tucoz :)
18:08:19stripwaxMekrob - what's wrong with using the adobe flash player to play the video?
18:08:27stripwaxtucoz - :-D cute
18:08:37Mekrobis it free?
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18:08:42bluebrothertucoz, nice logo. I'll vote for that :D
18:08:57Mekroband it will play an .swf video
18:09:18stripwaxMekrob - it's free. Adobe took over the Macromedia assets
18:09:32Mekrobso i can dl it on my comp
18:09:40Mekrobthen it will play my .swf videos
18:10:18saa[b_r]idertucoz: sweet.. but too detailed for the player
18:10:27stripwaxMekrob - the macromedia player is the only way of playing macromedia files, as far as I know ... (?)
18:10:54bluebrotherMekrob, you can simply drop .swf files to your browser.
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18:11:57Mekrobi want it so i can installl it on a comp with no interent and still be able to watch them
18:12:37Mekrobyah i just dled it
18:13:48bluebrothertucoz, it is really strange. When running plan latex on rockbox.tex on my machine I get a pdf file :/
18:20:57markunI was able to compress the png images for the manual to 70%, is there anything else we can do to make it smaller?
18:25:16dionoeasmaller than png is going to be hard :)
18:25:58bluebrotherI think the actual manual size is ok −− we're below 1 MiB already :)
18:27:22markundionoea: I was talking about the rest of the manual
18:27:36markunnot the png images
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18:28:07markunbut yes, the size is not bad right now
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18:29:26stripwaxanother error with the svg logo : the 'b' of box comes in front of the 'k' of rock, but in the original logo the k is in front!
18:29:44Mikachuno, it isn't
18:29:55Mikachuor rather, in half of the logos it's in front and in the other half it is behind
18:30:01tucozmarkun, we could make vector versions of the player-fronts :)
18:30:09KronuzTo export the file, type: make zip
18:30:14Kronuzwhat's that about?
18:30:18Kronuz(exporting the file)
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18:30:56dionoeawhere do the debug messages get printed when runing a SDL sim with debug enabled ?
18:31:52stripwaxMikachu - oh ok. well, which is correct? :-)
18:31:54PaulJamKronuz: it creates a zip file similar to what you can download at the daily builds page. you just need to extract the zip to the root of your player.
18:31:58Mikachustripwax: no idea
18:32:03tucozbluebrother, know what. I get the same. If I run the pdflatex command, I get This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
18:32:09tucozthe same happens when I run latex
18:32:13KronuzPaulJam: oh, that's cool :)
18:32:14bluebrothertucoz, any idea what goes wrong here?
18:32:36Kronuzhey, the provided VMWare image it's totally awesome!!
18:32:47tucozbluebrother, I think you should run htlatex instead
18:32:52Kronuzhonestly, I really love it :)
18:33:11bluebrothertucoz, the strange thing is when running latex (which symlinks to pdfetex on my system) on a small test file it produces a dvi as expected.
18:33:35tucozhmm. that is weird
18:33:44bluebrotherit seems as htlatex relies on that dvi to extract the content −− but without it will fail
18:34:09bluebrotheranother strange thing: I had results before I reinstalled my box −− fc3 vs. fc5
18:34:43tucozbluebrother, try to change to htlatex in the makefile
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18:35:32FebsI think I just reached my breaking point with people who write messages in the forum using no punctuation.
18:35:43tucozwhen I run tex4ht, it bails out immediately giving an Improper dvi file error.
18:36:02FebsIs it too much to ask that people use basic punctuation?
18:36:20FebsApparently so.
18:36:28tucozwith htlatex, it compiles for some time
18:36:56FebsThen you ask them to use punctuation, and they write "im sorry i didnt use punctuation can u answer my question"
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18:37:28Mikachudon't forums have /ignore?
18:37:29bluebrothertucoz, I tried it changing the makefile. It even generates me a .dvi −− but that is empty :(
18:37:34tucozyou should be happy that they don't use leet-speak. that is so hard to read
18:37:41Mikachu17 15?
18:38:12FebsYou'll see that I am not exaggerating.
18:38:26tucozit forces my brain to take the text to another step of translation
18:38:55bluebrotherok, tetex-2.0.2 produced at least something. Now I have tetex-3.0
18:39:10Kronuzwow this channel is so much more active at this time of the day :P
18:39:43bluebrotherFebs, answer without using any spaces ;-)
18:39:59stripwaxFebs - gosh, that is quite bad
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18:40:25amiconnstripwax: The ata timing changes increase access speed by 20% on average
18:40:30tucozhaha, that is a funny thread
18:40:38MikachuFebs: or filter everything through this perl script
18:40:38bluebrotherthat is really great ... "this is so stressful for me". Writing is stressful?
18:41:06XavierGramiconn: did you hear about my benchmark results?
18:41:18earHertzbluebrother: maybe he's autistic
18:42:08MikachuFebs: it makes tinhgs qutie dffiiuclt to ierptrnet
18:42:21XavierGramiconn: it went better than your estimation.
18:42:30XavierGramiconn: 30 hours and 20 minutes!!! :D
18:42:30amiconnyes, read that
18:42:31bluebrotherearHertz, thats a point −− but it makes it really hard for people that aren't.
18:42:34XavierGrah okay
18:42:39bluebrotherMikachu, great script :)
18:43:34earHertzbluebrother: I agree. it takes extra work to puuzzle out the meaning. I excoriated somebody on teh mailing list for it too
18:44:15stripwaxamiconn - thx, that's pretty decent actually. is it stable?
18:44:42dionoeadoes the api provide a file browser dialog ? (i couldn't find one ... ideally something that would return a char *)
18:44:57toedis it normal that if I'm listening to music and playing xobox at the same time that the music skips from time to time (ipod 5g 60gb)
18:45:09dionoeatoed: yes, unfortunately :(
18:45:11earHertztoed: skips or pauses
18:45:14FebsHere we go: Scary thing is that he'll probably understand that.
18:45:24toedpauses, actually
18:45:26dionoeatoed: it's due to the lcd driver being too slow on the 5g
18:45:31toedthat's a terrible shame :(
18:45:38toedare there any games that don't cause pauses?
18:45:39tucozFebs, hehe
18:45:47Mikachui thought it was because xobox yielded to seldomly
18:45:52earHertzFebs, that's just cruel
18:46:00Mikachuoops, seldom is an adverb already :)
18:46:16dionoeaMikachu: well it's because the lcd drawing routines take too long :)
18:46:22earHertztoed: my patch will increase the lcd speed just a little bit
18:46:23bluebrotheroh, a support "bug" again:
18:46:25stripwaxFebs - awesome
18:46:34toedearHertz: neat, where can I find it?
18:46:41earHertzon the patch tracker
18:47:26Genre9mp3Febs: ROFLMAO
18:47:33bluebrotherFebs, scary :)
18:49:24Genre9mp3Febs: You should add this to FAQ
18:49:55FebsRead his response. The sarcasm was apparently completely lost on him.
18:49:57tucozFebs, he understood :))
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18:50:27XavierGrI am always suprised to see that some native english speakers write worse than us!
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18:51:27FebsI wouldn't be so hard on these folks if they were non-native English speakers.
18:51:29XavierGrnow every one is in this thread LOL
18:52:09Genre9mp3Do we know for sure if he is a native speaker?
18:52:15earHertzthat's th4 thing, I can only imagine how difficult it is for non-native english speaakers to read porrly written abbreviated english
18:53:11FebsIt's extremely rare that a non-native speaker uses "words" like "u" and "plz."
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18:53:46Genre9mp3Febs: Yes, you are right
18:54:47Genre9mp3In fact It seems more difficult to me to talk like that
18:55:12bluebrotherdamn, how do I hate those support "bugs".
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18:58:32Mekrobhey im back and i got more question
18:59:30earHertzhas anyone other than midkay triee my scroll acceleration build?'
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19:07:21XavierGrGOAL! :p
19:07:38XavierGr(ok I should shut up)
19:08:19Xerionfun how in all sorts of channels someone yells GOAL :p
19:08:43Mikachunot so much fun as annoying
19:09:00Mikachui don't like football :P
19:09:21XavierGrwe have many football haters here. :p
19:09:52XavierGrI am not a great fun myself, but it is the world champion!
19:09:59dionoeawho's playing ?
19:10:06stripwaxBrazil Australia
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19:18:39Kronuzhey, what's the page for the experimental builds?
19:19:22stripwaxKronuz - "experimental" ?
19:20:08Kronuzwell, yesterday I found a page in rockbox website were they had a cvs build with many experimental patches
19:20:16Kronuzbut now I can't find it :P
19:20:42Kronuz(for the iPod that is)
19:21:20PaulJamhave you looked in the forums at
19:21:24stripwaxKronuz - well I don't know of anything within the rockbox website - but search the forums
19:21:42Kronuzhmm, probably it was in the forums
19:21:47KronuzI can't really remember
19:22:10Kronuzyep, there it is :) thanks
19:22:15stripwaxKronuz - luckily there's a "search" butt ong ;-)
19:22:20stripwax^buttong^ button !!
19:22:41*stripwax curses his speech recognition software ;-)
19:22:55KronuzI tried seatch in the main rockbox page but didn't find it
19:23:04Kronuzit's on the forums alright :)
19:23:19stripwax(the search button in the forums!)
19:23:42Kronuzlol,now that I know :)
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19:28:22Kronuzfinally building rockbox :)
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19:50:44peturso what?
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19:52:17Mekrobhi all
19:53:05Kronuzhey, what happens if I do 'ipodpatcher -w' to a device that's not an iPod?
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19:53:12Kronuzhello Mekrob :)
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20:07:52stripwaxKronuz - well I wouldn't recommend trying it ..
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20:09:26Kronuzstripwax: do the ipod gets a new device number every time you connect it?
20:09:30Mekrobanyone here have an i audio x5 or has seen one outside of images
20:09:54Kronuzstripwax: ir just if I connect it to a different USB? or when?
20:09:55BagderMekrob: yes
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20:10:11Mekrobdo you own or have seen one
20:10:48Mekrobthe video is slower then ipod right? does that make the videos look bad
20:11:02BagderI don't know
20:11:10Mekroband if you have a webcam could you tape one of your videos and put it on youtube
20:11:22BagderI don't have any videos
20:11:27Bagderand I never watch videos
20:11:35Bagderand I never saw an ipod show them either
20:11:51Mekrobthen anyone have an iaudio x5 and watches video
20:12:01Mekrobor has seen video on the i audio x5
20:12:07Bagdertry the forums
20:13:08PaulJamI have seen a viedeo on my sisters x5, but the screen is very tiny , but the framerate is ok
20:15:39PaulJamif video is important for you then i suggeest to look for an ipod video or a pmp device
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20:17:58Mekrobits not very important but i want video
20:18:10Mekroband ipod is wayy to expensive
20:18:52saa[b_r]iderthe X5's screen is smaller than the H300's...
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20:19:02saa[b_r]idermakes watching video difficult
20:19:35saa[b_r]iderhave you considered a ZVM?
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20:24:56hardeepthat reminds me, office depot in the us has the sandisk e260 for $120 which sounds like a pretty good deal
20:25:47hardeepooooh, didn't see the mp3 player porn at the bottom
20:26:37Bagdernot very useful, but fun
20:26:49midkayBagder, "as it seems the '16386' chip is 2GB while the 4GB one seems to be marked '32768'" - i hope you've figured that 32768/8 = 4096 [mb]= 4GB.. :)
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20:44:37Kronuzwhat's the rockboxlogo.220x68x16.bmp for?
20:44:42KronuziPod Nano?
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20:46:04PaulJamiriver h300 and ipod photo
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20:46:15boultyi have the iRiver H140 with the latest rockbox installed but I can't get wavs to play... any ideas on what could be wrong?
20:46:22Kronuzand if I apply the fullscreen logo patch
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20:46:29Kronuzstill uses the same name?
20:46:36Kronuzbut it changes the resolution?
20:47:17PaulJamwhat is the resolution of the nano?
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20:47:40Kronuzdunno, for the iPod 5G is 320x200?
20:49:25obo has the resolutions
20:49:27Kronuzfinally my very own build :)
20:49:48Kronuzthat was a cakewalk with the wiki and the VMWare :)
20:51:37earHertzKronuz: i TOLS YOUI TO USE TH EVMWARE
20:52:04Kronuzthank you :)
20:52:30Kronuzto change the boot logo , do I have to recompile?
20:52:53Kronuzoh well
20:53:29earHertzwhy would you chnage teh logo?
20:53:39Kronuzwhy not?
20:53:56earHertztheere was some guiy who did that, and then he sold "his" software on ebay.
20:54:03PaulJamdo you use a patch for changing the bootlogo?
20:54:36PaulJamor do you change it manually in the sources?
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20:55:05tucozboulty, wavs should play fine on a h140
20:55:43boultyI don't why they don't play. They played fine on the latest official firmware update
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20:56:41tucoztry to record a few seconds, and try to play that file
20:56:44tucozthat is a wav
20:57:18tucozwhat happens when you try to play them?
20:58:09boultyit just doesn't play them.. filename comes up but the kbps and info just has ????'s
20:58:50Kronuzhey, to play doom, where do I have to put the WAD?
20:58:57Kronuzor what else do I need?
20:59:02tucozKronuz, check the PluginDoom wikipage
20:59:33tucozboulty, wavs play fine on mine (using the latest cvs build).
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21:01:43boultystrange, recorded ones seem to play fine.. I can't work out why the ones of bands I have recorded don't work. I know they are deffinately 16/44.1 PCM wav
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21:02:31PaulJamwasn't there a problem with wavs that were created by a certain programm?
21:02:44boultyi use wavelab
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21:04:58linuxstb_boulty: Have your WAVs ever worked in Rockbox?
21:05:58linuxstb_I know wavelab likes to add extra RIFF chunks in WAV files, but I would have hoped Rockbox could handle that.
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21:20:25liyangQuick question if anyone happens to be able to answer it right now...
21:22:14liyangwhen creating the rockbox-enabled image file (according to the installation instructions), won't the fact that you've not included the BRCM firmware impact the ability to play videos when you boot back into Apple's FW?
21:22:39Genre9mp3hardeep: around?
21:23:06liyang(um, on video iPods, I mean.)
21:23:51lourockbox does not do video playback and no it wont interfere with the ability of the original apple fw to play videos
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21:23:59Kronuzliyang: don't think so.. videos still work on mine
21:24:27liyanglou: I'm aware of the first part. :)
21:24:53boultylinuxstb (sorry people at the door) I only just recently got rockbox on the latest CV build so it hasn't ever played wavs for me no heh
21:25:01loui wasnt sure what exactly your question was supposed to mean so i answered both possible questions :)
21:25:04liyangI'm just curious where Apple's FW is finding the VideoCore FW on the patched devices...
21:25:22louno idea where but it does
21:25:50liyanggiven the installation instructions omitted that part when building the new boot partition.
21:26:13louwell rockbox always boots into ... rockbox
21:26:29loubut you can manually boot into apples fw and in there video playback works
21:26:38liyangI still intend to use the Apple FW for video and photos...
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21:26:50louyou have to
21:27:02liyangWell yes. :)
21:27:05louwell rockbox can show pictures (jpgs)
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21:27:16liyangSlowly. :)
21:27:23louand sloppy :>
21:28:19liyangAnd no TV output. =)
21:28:25lou*shrug* i almost exclusivley listen to music on my ipod. so i am not in the situation to worry too much about picture and video playback
21:28:49liyangit's the /almost/ part I'm thinking about. :)
21:29:04liyangOccasionally it's useful when visiting people.
21:29:33loubut be assured that you can simply boot back into apples fw and video and picture playback works like before
21:30:52Paul_The_NerdHow is the Rockbox picture display worse than Apple other than lack of thumbnails?
21:31:13louseems slower
21:31:31Kronuzhi Paul_The_Nerd :)
21:31:35Paul_The_NerdHave you scaled the images down like Apple does?
21:31:44liyangI'm `worried' the fact that it still works is voodoo. i.e. it's just finding the VC firmware at the old location on the HD.
21:31:54Paul_The_NerdApple displays a thumbnail sized to your screen, which is part of why you can't zoom the image.
21:32:21liyangJPEG decoding is not done on the PP side.
21:32:27liyangHence it's /fast/.
21:32:53liyang(Find the missing step in that implication. ;)
21:32:58Kronuzhmm wikipedia on rockbox?
21:33:17Paul_The_NerdAs I asked, have you tried scaling your images to the thumbnail size iPod scales them to, and comparing the speed?
21:33:56Kronuzbaybe a ThumbsCache will be needed :P?
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21:38:35liyangHas anyone dissected / written up the files on the BRCM firmware? It's just a FAT-16 disk image.
21:38:55lou(Paul_The_Nerd) As I asked, have you tried scaling your images to the thumbnail size iPod scales them to, and comparing the speed?
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21:39:19loubecause i dont have to put that effort in when i simply use the original fw
21:39:22Paul_The_NerdThen, what basis of comparison to do you have to compare Rockbox's JPEG decode speed?
21:39:37loumy personal feeling
21:39:38liyang(the hardware. =)
21:39:51Kronuzwhy do they say it's not possible to have wikipedia on Rockbox? that's gibberish
21:39:58Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Who sasy?
21:40:00liyangWho said that?
21:40:06KronuzI found a couple posts on the internet
21:40:08Paul_The_Nerdliyang: What hardware?
21:40:21liyangPaul_The_Nerd: the BCM2722
21:40:53Paul_The_Nerdliyang: That's in one iPod. Meanwhile, photos are available in 3 models.
21:41:02PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: i think even with scaled down pictures the ipod fw is faster; on the ipod photo some people managed some kind of videoplayback by skipping fast through pictures.
21:41:03Kronuzsome posts say you need iPod Linux or otherwise it's not possible and that it won't work on iPod 5G :P
21:41:11Kronuzwho writes that shit :P
21:41:12liyangI'm talking about this one model.
21:41:32Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: The iPod actually caches several thumbnails, actually. If you push it too fast, it falls behind, at least when I tested.
21:41:44liyangKronuz: chill. Everything on the intarweb is a lie anyway. =)
21:41:58Paul_The_Nerdliyang: And your evidence that Apple uses the broadcom chip to decode jpegs is where?
21:42:22Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: Though that is with the Nano
21:42:48KronuzRockbox says my battery will last about 8 1/2 hours on my iPod, playing MP3s (full charge)
21:42:53Kronuzis that alright?
21:42:54Paul_The_NerdI'm not saying that Rockbox isn't slower, but at least A) Make your statements clear, and B) Issue a basis on which you've made that comparison so people know if you've actually TESTED the statements you're making.
21:43:00Paul_The_NerdKronuz: Probably not
21:43:02liyangPaul_The_Nerd: nowhere. You're right. I'm just confused. :)
21:43:11PaulJamI don't know. It was some tome ago, that i have read about it
21:43:41Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: I've read about it too, and you can scroll through them moderately quickly, but you can also go past the limit.
21:44:14Paul_The_Nerdliyang: That being said, Rockbox very likely is slower, but more likely simply because nobody's bothered to try to make it fast, than any strange hardware tricks apple is doing.
21:44:32PaulJamPaul_The_Nerd: But at least it is way faster than rockbox.
21:44:34KronuzPaul_The_Nerd: not as in that it will last less/more and the legend is wrong or not as in my iPod the legend is different from what you would generally expect?
21:45:35Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: It's not that much faster at all if you scale down the JPEGs to the tiny resolutions the apple firmware uses.
21:46:33Kronuzthere should be a RockTunes :P
21:47:23liyangI've just remembered reading somewhere that Apple doesn't actually decode JPEGs on the iPod 4/5Gs but stores raw thumbnails. iTunes puts the originals on your iPod purely as a convenience.
21:47:40preglowi know they preprocess them
21:47:43preglowbut to go that far...
21:47:48liyangSo scaling your JPEGs down still wouldn't be a fair test.
21:48:16Paul_The_NerdI don't think they're raw
21:48:20Paul_The_NerdI seem to recall finding them as jpegs.
21:48:20preglowjpegs that small should be fast to decode anyway
21:48:36liyangWell, something close enough to raw anyway.
21:48:41Paul_The_NerdAnyway, I must be off. Movie marathon and other fun stuff.
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21:50:15linuxstbliyang: The "rockboot.bin" you create contains the Broadcom firmware - that's why it's about 11MB in size...
21:51:25liyanglinuxstb: there's also a third and fourth part to the boot partition...
21:52:09linuxstbThe bootloader update image and the hibernation image?
21:52:24liyangah hah. Good to know. =)
21:52:48liyang(Hibernation? o.O)
21:52:58Kronuzthose are partitions in the iPod memory, not the hard drive?
21:53:04Kronuzthe first two
21:53:07linuxstbAppleOS will create the hibernation image. You don't need the bootloader update after the first time you've installed that version of the Apple firmware.
21:53:11Kronuzor all of them are in the hdd?
21:53:27linuxstbThey are all in the first partition on the disk.
21:54:34Kronuzhey, when you are playing music and you start scrolling and navigating the filesystem or some menu, the music stops
21:54:44Kronuzwhat was that bug about?
21:54:51Kronuzsome interrupt, I think?
21:55:06Kronuzthat's only an iPod issue?
21:55:18liyangAh hah. Didn't realise ipod_fw included the original BRCM FW automagically. =)
21:55:41liyangHence the ``NOTE: You must give it the exact name "apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin"''
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22:03:41Kronuzwhat's the regular battery playback time in full charged iPod 5G?
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22:03:49liyangToo short.
22:04:09dionoeaKronuz: there's a wiki page about that
22:04:32liyangMine ran out at the end of an 7-hour roadtrip. Though I did (shock!) skip the odd track or two.
22:06:41Kronuzwhat happens if the battery goes totaly dead while playing?
22:06:58Kronuzcan it break destroy files or something?
22:07:03liyangit switches off.
22:07:07liyangNot that I've experienced.
22:07:16Kronuzthat's good
22:07:34Kronuzand you can start using it again as soon as you plug it, right?
22:07:41liyangBut that was while I was on loverlly journaled HFS+.
22:07:46liyangKronuz: yes.
22:07:58liyangI've just switched to vfat. -_-;;
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22:08:29Kronuzcan Rockbox use HFS or other file systems?
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22:09:58preglowlooks like spdif monitoring isn't turned off when you leave the recording screen
22:11:14dionoeayay ! rockpaint can now load and save bitmaps
22:12:20dionoeaanother API question (if you know the answer, please say so :p ): how can i simply ask the user to choose an existing file ? (basically a file open window)
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22:15:49midkaycan't.. no function for that atm.
22:15:54Genre9mp3dionoea: Is rockpaint somewhere in the tracker?
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22:17:43linuxstb_dionoea: The general idea is that users choose files from the file browser, then open them with a viewer - so rockpaint should support that. But feel free to implement "file open" and "save as" widgets...
22:18:02dionoeaGenre9mp3: no ... i'll post a patch once i'm done
22:18:12Genre9mp3dionoea: ok
22:18:21dionoealinuxstb_: well i already use the "open with..." feature
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22:18:37dionoeabut i might add some file open function
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22:19:08Captain_Americahi all
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22:19:34dionoealinuxstb_: btw, i added a save_bmp_file function in apps/recorder/bmp.c (and in the plugin api). Is that ok ?
22:19:34Mekrobi have some qestions on iaudio
22:19:42Mekrobcan anyone help
22:20:07Bagderif you ask you'll find out
22:20:33linuxstb_dionoea: IMO, it should be in the plugin lib - unless it's actually used by core rockbox.
22:20:43Mekrobam i able to play doom on the x5 or x5l yet
22:20:47linuxstb_(that's the code in apps/plugins/lib/)
22:20:53Mekroband what state is sound at on it
22:21:01dionoealinuxstb_: ok ... i'll do that then
22:21:28BagderMekrob: both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets
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22:22:31Mekrobso they both work
22:22:40Mekrobas well as they do on an ipod
22:22:53Bagderboth doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets
22:22:57Bagderipod is one of them, yes
22:23:38Bagderthere are a few things the x5 port doesn't do yet though
22:23:40Mekrobcan you answer my question lol
22:23:45Mekrobdoes it work properly
22:23:45BagderI answered it
22:23:53Bagderyou go read the rest on the site
22:23:54Mekrobin the same way ipod does
22:23:58Mekrobi did
22:24:04Bagderthen you know
22:24:12Mekrobno i dont hence me asking
22:24:24Mekrobthey said "sound works"
22:24:32Mekrobthat could be 10 seconds of sound
22:24:40Mekroband they mentioned nothing of doom
22:24:47Mekrobso i asked about both of them
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22:26:36liyangSo, um. Rockbox reboots into the stock disk mode when you plug in the USB cable...?
22:27:21dionoeadoes rockbox already implement some RGB<->HSV colorspace transformations ?
22:27:28liyangFair. :-/
22:27:37Mekrobso anyone care to answer my question and not beat around the bush
22:27:49dionoeaMekrob: if people knew they'd answer i guess :/
22:27:59Bagderwe know
22:28:14Bagderit works
22:28:15Mekrobdoes doom work as well as it does on ipod 5g and how well is sound working on the X%
22:28:18BagderI said it
22:28:25linuxstb_Mekrob: How does "sound works" not answer your question? It's a true or false question.
22:28:40Mekrobno you said ] <Bagder> both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets
22:28:52BagderMekrob: and you said you've read the site
22:29:02Mekroblike i said sound "working could be ten seconds of playtime
22:29:03Bagderwhich should make it obvious that rockbox can play music
22:29:10MekrobNo shit
22:29:21*midkay sighs
22:29:28sharpei'm... back...
22:29:35Mekrobim asking about a model that is in development
22:29:39midkaywelcome.. back...
22:29:49Bagderall models are in development
22:29:51midkayMekrob, actually, they are all constantly under development..
22:29:54Kronuzis there no way of specifying the player and the built type from the command line when calling ./configure ?
22:30:05Kronuzinstead of getting the prompt?
22:30:13linuxstb_Kronuz: Use "echo"
22:30:17Mekrobthats why im asking what works on X5
22:30:26Bagderand I answered
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22:30:29midkaysound works, as it does on everything else..
22:30:30Kronuzlinuxstb_: :S how?
22:30:46Mekrobsee that is what i wanted
22:30:51Mekrobnot ] <Bagder> both doom and sound is in the same state as for other targets
22:31:00Bagderyou're being very annoying
22:31:12midkay2.5 minutes ago: <Bagder> it works
22:31:12Mekrobyour being very useless
22:31:35Kronuzlinuxstb_: like with pipes or something?
22:31:39Mekroband i stopped asking then
22:31:43Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22:31:48Bagdernow stop that
22:31:48midkayso you come in asking for help and end up asking and re-asking the same question and insulting people.. nice..
22:31:52linuxstb_Kronuz: e.g. for a h120/140 normal build: (echo 9 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure
22:32:01Kronuzecho "22 N" ||./configure
22:32:06Kronuzlinuxstb_: thanks :)
22:32:09KronuzI was close :P
22:32:27Mekrobi was asking for a direct answer
22:32:31Bagderor echo -e "22\\nN" | configure
22:32:32liyangChildren are so rude these days.
22:32:34Mekrobi appreciated him helping
22:32:35Xerionwhich is on the site
22:32:39midkayBagder gave you even more of a direct answer than the one you accepted from me..
22:32:40Mekrobbut i wanted yes or no
22:32:42Xerionwhich you apparently read :P
22:32:43BagderMekrob: STOP now
22:32:51Kronuzand I was only guessing ;)
22:32:54midkaywell.. whatever..
22:32:56Mekrobgday all
22:33:09Mekrobill be back later when this place is calm like earlier
22:33:16Kronuzthnks linuxstb_, thanks Bagder :)
22:34:13midkayin fact the latest news item on the site is "Sound works on iAudio X5".. :)
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22:35:05liyang(in the words of the great philosopher Jagger, ``you can't always get what you want. But if you tried to read what others have been saying, you just might find, you get what you need.'')
22:35:07***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:35:29midkayhaha. well said..
22:35:54Mekrobwow you guys are mature
22:35:57liyangnah, I ripped that off Hugh Laurie.
22:36:10Mekroblets wait till hes gone to take stabs at him
22:36:17midkayliyang, i mean whoever said it..
22:36:17Kick(#Rockbox Mekrob :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
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22:36:39liyangWut? It honestly took me that long to type that!
22:36:42Kronuzlinuxstb_: will that line you told me work under csh?
22:36:43midkayMekrob, you clearly hadn't left yet.. i just wanted to point that out.
22:36:52Kronuz'cause for some reason it isnt...
22:36:56Mekrobi was going on to a dif server
22:37:01midkayif you had read the site even a little bit.. you'd see the very first news item being the fact that sound works (and has been for months).
22:37:02Mekrobbut i came back to close out
22:37:12Mekrobsigh to the max
22:37:22midkayalright, just letting you know.
22:37:22linuxstb_Kronuz: Maybe not - the brackets are possibly a bash thing. Did Bagder's version work?
22:37:33Mekrobi said several times sound working could be 10 seconds of working
22:37:44Mekrobi was asking if it played flawlessly
22:38:08Bagderis echo enabled here?
22:38:19midkayMekrob, and Bagder's response that it works as well as anything else was significant, since Rockbox wouldn't really be of much use if on all targets it barely played anything.
22:38:36Mekrobwell i asked for yes or no
22:38:57Mekrob<that it works as well as anything else> thats not yes or no
22:39:22liyang``Every program has at least one bug and can be optimised to one fewer instruction.''
22:39:25midkayyou got a "yes" and complained that it might mean only ten seconds of playback, then you got a confirmation that sound works well and you complained that it wasn't a yes/no answer..
22:39:34KronuzBagder: your method should work under csh, right?
22:39:46liyangFlawlessly is a rather difficult target...
22:39:48Bagderas long as your echo supports -e
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22:40:09Mekrobits like debating with a three year old
22:40:12Kronuzwhat's with the double backslash?
22:40:15Mekrobill leave untill later
22:40:16midkaytell me about it..
22:40:31BagderKronuz: because normally the single is eaten by the shell
22:40:32liyangYou could try doing /bin/echo -e explicitly rather than relying on the echo your shell provides.
22:40:59stripwaxMekrob - how about this, try it
22:40:59Bagderor you could do echo -e '22\nN' with single quotes to avoid double slashes
22:42:11Mekrobbecause i havent purchased it yet
22:42:25Mekroband if it doesnt work ill get one that rockbox will work on
22:43:39sharpeheheh... my ipod, is covered in sand... and it was in a car for most of my trip.
22:44:23FebsMy God, today must be "ask a question and don't listen to the answer" day.
22:44:48stripwaxFebs - did the forum guy get his build working in the end...?
22:45:04FebsI don't know. I officially gave up.
22:46:26Bagderto lighten things up, I hope you watched my new nude movie... e200 stripped
22:47:06liyangAnyone recommend a readable theme? The default font is killing my eyes. -_-;;
22:47:39liyangBagder: I came.
22:50:21sharpeanyone want to hear about my trip? :D
22:51:45midkayof course not. how dare you even suggest it.
22:52:22stripwaxsharpe - how was the battery life?
22:52:47sharpeactually, i didn't even use my ipod the whole trip...
22:52:51stripwaxactually I had an idea about ipod battery life −− are we sure we're powering off the broadcom chip? ;-)
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22:54:32Mano`can anyone tell me how to install a theme onto my ipod (rockbox) is already installed
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22:57:17stripwaxMano - download the theme, save it into the directory ".rockbox/themes", and just load it from the Browse Themes option in rockbox
22:57:55sharpei did get a sunburn though...
22:59:30Mekrobif i installed black glass do i get to pick which of these i want to use
22:59:40Mekrobcuz the yellow looks sweet
23:00:26midkayyeah, you should be able to.
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23:00:33Mekrobcool beans
23:00:38juxtapsomeone recommend a theme for ipod 5g
23:00:38Mekrobwho made black glass
23:00:44Mekrobit is quite awesome
23:00:49Mekrobyin yang
23:00:54midkayjuxtap, brushed metal v2 when i upload it sometime!
23:00:59Mekroblike balance
23:01:14juxtapheh, obviously you like it, you made it :p
23:01:25midkayi should in fact do that now..
23:01:31juxtapi'm using rockamp classic now
23:02:05juxtapmidkay, does it work with album art?
23:02:36midkaydoes what?
23:03:07midkaybrushed metal? v2? neither.. i don't use it..
23:03:11*dwihno watches the snasa nude movie ;)
23:03:23Bagderyou perv
23:03:54Genre9mp3I watched that too...there should be a disclaimer for people under 18
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23:04:00Mekrobhow hard is it to make a wpa
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23:04:02midkayohh god... a PP5024B..
23:04:21midkayMekrob, why not try, by checking the CustomWPS wiki page?
23:04:51BagderMekrob: its very easy
23:04:52KronuzI'm getting a "No files" message as soon as I turn the iPod on (the theme background is there, but the font doesn't seem to be loaded) the menu dosn't work either
23:05:19dwihnoBagder: Really nice clip! When looking at it, the unit looks to be quite "plastic-ish"... what do you think?
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23:05:33KronuzI just added some patches... but I don't think any of those dod it... you know of something that might be causing this issue?
23:05:37Bagderdwihno: actually I think it feels rather solid and good
23:05:48Bagderthe back is metal
23:06:00Bagderand it is a bit on the heavy side
23:06:07Bagderwhich adds to the feel as well
23:06:24midkaya clip?!
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23:06:40midkayah. nice.
23:06:47dwihnoBagder: nice! is this lineup intended to be directly competing with the ipod?
23:07:00Bagderwith ipod nano indeed
23:07:01dwihno(price wise and, well, size as well)
23:07:22Mekrobis your name supposed to be badger'
23:07:38dwihnoBagder: but I guess you haven't gotten any hw docs yet... ?
23:07:51Bagderdwihno: nopes, and I don't have very high hopes either
23:08:19dwihnoBagder: That leads to the question why the Sandisk people do this...
23:08:40Bagderdwihno: I think its a question of who at sandisk that does what
23:08:58dwihnoIf they really wanted the port, it could be quite cost effective sporting a 2-3 week development along with hw docs...
23:09:29dwihnoBagder: well, I'll keep my fingers crossed
23:09:38Bagderdwihno: yes sure but the guy I'm in contact with hasn't really got that many tech clues and isn't really the guy I _should_ be talking to
23:09:40Mekrobipod has a monoploy
23:10:07midkayBagder, man, this is getting pretty hot.. halfway loaded+viewed.. :)
23:10:16Mekrobim trying to find the cheapset thing i could buy that plays video and rockbox supports it
23:10:31Mekroband i thought i was set on x5
23:10:54dwihnoMekrob: well, I wouldn't say monopoly... more like oligopoly
23:11:10dwihno(now that sounds like an non-existant english word, doesn't it..)
23:11:34dionoeaoligarchy ?
23:11:38Mekrobbut i found out you have to jimmy rig the x 5 just to get doom to work
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23:11:46Mekrobso i have to get an ipod vide
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23:12:21dwihnodionoea: yeah, sounds right :) (my swenglish sure is good, hah)
23:12:56Mekrobso is there any other mp3 player with all the functions of ipod video
23:13:00Mekrobbut cheaper?
23:13:04dionoeain fact it wouldn't mean exactly the same thing ...
23:14:54Mekrobany ideas?
23:14:59Mekrobanyone know of one?
23:15:01linuxstb_Mekrob: It depends which functions you want...
23:15:17Bagderand when ;-)
23:15:33Mekrobthe same ones as ipod 5g
23:15:59linuxstb_You mean playing itunes purchased music, syncing with itunes, compatibility with ipod accessories?
23:16:24Mekrobi mean video mp3 and rockbox support
23:16:53dwihnodamn how I hate all this DRM nonsense
23:17:09dwihnoand purchasing low-fidelity DRM stuff from stores.
23:17:18dwihno(for too much money anyhow)
23:17:23*linuxstb_ just ignores it.
23:17:29Mekrobso im guessing their isn't one ?
23:17:56dwihnoWell, you _can_ play custom-format movies on the recorder :)
23:18:06dwihnothe sound is awesome!
23:18:24dwihnorecorder, one of the earliest rockbox ports
23:18:45dwihnothe origin of the project basically
23:18:46linuxstb_The ipod video is the Rockbox target with best video playback (under the native OS). I think the Creative players also have as good (or better) video playback, but a Rockbox port to those is very unlikely.
23:19:00Bagderlinuxstb: you have that SKU_E mi4 file available for me?
23:19:16linuxstb_Sure, one moment...
23:19:26Mekrobso i have to get an ipod video if i want rock box support video and mp3 support also
23:20:16Mekrobi hate apple so much
23:20:17liyangHas anyone tried (or even looked into) getting stuff to run on the BRCM2722?
23:20:23Mekrobtheres no way around them
23:20:39Mekrobi wish rockbox worked on the sansa e260
23:20:47Mekrobid get it in a heart beat
23:21:05BagderMekrob: don't hold your breath for that...
23:21:27BagderI don't think its much better than the others on video
23:21:56Mekrobi just want something that is equal to 5g capability
23:22:03dionoeathen buy a 5g
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23:22:11Mekrobvideo mp3 and rockbox support
23:22:11Bagderthe 5g is superior on video compared to the sansa
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23:22:16Mekrobi know
23:22:21liyangit's technically much more capable on the video front. Hacking the VideoCore side might be a bit of a challenge if you want video on RockBox though.
23:22:24Mekrobbut it is alot more expensive
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23:22:43Mekrobi want something cheaper then ipod
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23:23:40mongeyis Linus ever on here anymore>#
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23:24:16Bagderyes he is
23:24:47mongeyanyone with a 64bit cpu here?
23:25:27mongeydoes cygwin compiler work for you?
23:25:43xoderi'm on wndows
23:25:53xoderso I don't care
23:26:07amiconnmongey: Huh? cygwin is win32 only afaik
23:26:17mongeythats what i thought
23:26:23Kronuzthe brightness patch breaks Rockbox
23:26:44amiconnmongey: What are you trying to do?
23:27:01mongeycompile rockbox
23:27:08amiconnImho, if you have a 64bit cpu and want a true 64bit OS, choose linux
23:27:11Kronuz(even when it really doesn't seem to do many changes)
23:27:32mongeyamiconn i dual boot
23:27:43mongeyxp and kubuntu 64
23:27:50amiconn...but if you want to run windows, I would still recommend the 32bit version
23:28:08Kronuzme too
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23:28:15KronuzI'm using the x64 and has bugs
23:28:26mongeyim using the 32 bit for wndows
23:28:26Kronuz(that's right, even more)
23:28:38Kronuz32 bits it's way better
23:28:38amiconnmongey: So what's your actual problem??
23:28:55Kronuzonly that I've installed everything and I'm too lazy to do it again :P
23:29:00mongey1 sec ill get a screenie
23:32:20louit /msg -qnet minimoo it looks bloated and the article layout is confusing
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23:32:46Kronuzhey, once in doom, how do you exit from it?
23:32:50louwrong window
23:32:58dionoeaKronuz: hold
23:33:02dionoea(if you're using an ipod)
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23:33:16amiconnmongey: It clearly tells you what's wrong... the cygwin1.dll doesn't match the required version for m68k-elf-gcc
23:33:37mongeybut i have the latest
23:33:47amiconnThe latest what?
23:34:18mongeywell it was the same as tucoz
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23:34:35amiconnYeah, but obviously the version expected by m68k-elf-gcc doesn't match the version you have
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23:34:46amiconnDid you build the crosscompiler yourself?
23:35:18linuxstb_Anyone know if Linux running in vmware player for Windows can access ext2/3 partitions?
23:35:35stripwaxmongey - try doing what it says - use Search to find how many (and where) you have multiple copies of cygwin1.dll - do you have only one copy on your harddrive or multiple different versions?
23:35:42amiconnmongey: That's the next thing I would try in your case
23:36:13mongeyi only have 1
23:36:42amiconnI mean building the crosscompiler yourself
23:36:44stripwaxmongey - hrrmm... and you have the latest cygwin1.dll and the latest m68k-eld-gcc?
23:37:16*amiconn uses self-built crosscompilers only
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23:45:31Kronuzhey, does anyone know how long does the battery really lasts in the original apple firmware on an iPod 5G with 60GB just on music playback (mostly)?
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23:46:39Sanis there a problem with yesterdays build?
23:46:42San(the 17th)
23:46:47Sanas in fonts
23:46:53Sani cant change the font
23:47:28dionoeayeah ! /me has gradients working in rockpaint
23:48:13Kronuzlou: lol and they sau 20 hours :P
23:48:33louthey say many things
23:48:46loumy ipod never played longer than 11h
23:49:04louand its even slightly less now with rockbox
23:49:19lou~9.5h - ~10h
23:49:36Kronuzyeah... I get 'bout 8 1/3 I suppose
23:49:59Kronuzin the "estimated" playback time legend
23:50:06Kronuzthough I haven't tried for real
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23:50:41Kronuzmaybe if all video activity was disabled after a while it would last longer
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23:51:10Kronuzlike if you're just listening to music, if it turned off the display
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23:54:10liyangoh crap I hosed my iPod.
23:54:39sharpeooh. i *almost* walked into the ocean with mine.
23:55:03liyangI've utterly buggered up the partition table on mine, in an attempt to switch it back to HFS+.
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23:55:40sharpewell, at least you can always restore it.
23:55:52liyangI can't see a download for an Apple partition table to write back, only the PC ones. :-/
23:56:04amiconnWow! The backlight is a real sucker on H300, even more than the USBOTG chip
23:56:11liyang(I should have made my own. I know. XD)
23:56:13Kronuzhey, about the sound stopping when you scroll, is that an issue for just the iPods?
23:56:28sharpeKronuz: it's a known issue.
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23:56:36mongeyamiconn: is there a problem ?
23:56:38amiconnI ran a runtime test with backlight @ full brightness. 09:26...
23:56:38Kronuzsharpe: just for iPods?
23:56:58liyangsharpe: any clues?
23:57:09amiconnmongey: No, not a problem. I'm just performing a series of runtime tests for better battery meter calibration
23:57:16mongeyah nice
23:57:19linuxstb_liyang: Just use Apple's restorer
23:57:31liyangDisk Utility won't recreate the original partition structure.
23:57:33sharpeKronuz: i'm not quite sure, but it seems only people with ipods tell of it, so i'm guessing only ipods really. but it's been known for a very long time
23:57:39amiconnThe backlight sucks more than the whole rest of the player when always on..
23:57:53Kronuzsharpe: is it know where the problem resides?
23:57:56sharpeliyang: you mean the restore utility in the ipod updater?
23:58:04mongeyamiconn: but can it be changed to stop it takin so much battery?
23:58:24liyangiPod Updater says I've got an unsupported model... last time I ran it. >_>
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23:58:30PaulJamamiconn: could this be a rockbox problem? because when i did a battery test with the original firmware i got 17 h without and 13 h with backlight always. but with a low brightness setting.
23:58:33amiconnYes. Use it for a shorter time / at lower brightness
23:58:36liyangit's giving me the option to restore now. Strange.
23:58:42sharpeKronuz: i'd imagine updating the screen quickly combined with the music decoding, doesn't go too well together.
23:58:50amiconnPaulJam: I tested at full brightnes...
23:58:53linuxstb_Kronuz: Rockbox needs almost all the CPU just for MP3 playback on the ipods at the moment. So skipping happens if you try to do other things...

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