| 00:00:13 | Kronuz | hmm |
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| 00:03:22 | Kronuz | damn 52% gross margin!! |
| 00:03:49 | Kronuz | but I suppose the retailers get 20-30% |
| 00:03:57 | Kronuz | or not? |
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| 00:06:30 | Kronuz | "incorporates a multi-standard audio decoder core" |
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| 00:06:46 | sharpe | evening. |
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| 00:08:22 | Kronuz | hmm.. MPEG1 and MPEG2 decoder too |
| 00:08:44 | Mikachu | i'm not saying that's the chip in the ipod, just that broadcom makes video decoder chips |
| 00:09:00 | Kronuz | it certainly sounds it could be that one |
| 00:10:12 | Kronuz | the release timing was perfect for iPod 5G too |
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| 00:13:12 | Kronuz | hey, if that one has audio decoding as well (as I suggested yesterday too -_-) it would be really nice to get it working |
| 00:14:42 | petur | well start writing then ;) |
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| 00:15:18 | Kronuz | lol |
| 00:15:26 | Kronuz | as soon as I find the specs |
| 00:15:29 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
| 00:17:33 | smably | Kronuz: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=BCM2722 |
| 00:17:33 | Kronuz | that must be it, it must be |
| 00:17:58 | Kronuz | or that one :P |
| 00:18:21 | petur | amiconn? |
| 00:19:59 | liyang | (You may note Broadcom acquired Sandvideo last year. And BCM7411 roughly approximates what they were working on.) |
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| 00:20:46 | smably | Kronuz: it's the BCM2722 (see http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/video-ipod.ars/6 for scans) |
| 00:21:21 | Kronuz | yes, BCM2722 sounds about right (same limitations and everything) |
| 00:21:22 | liyang | BCM2722 is produced by an entirely separate group in Cambridge, UK. |
| 00:22:32 | Mikachu | "This component replaces the Wolfson audio codec used in the nano" |
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| 00:22:42 | Kronuz | yeah |
| 00:22:43 | Mikachu | i didn't know the nano had a hardware audio codec? |
| 00:22:45 | Kronuz | I read that too |
| 00:22:50 | Kronuz | it must have |
| 00:22:58 | liyang | By CODEC they mean D/A. |
| 00:23:03 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:23:04 | liyang | Standard terminology. |
| 00:23:08 | Mikachu | crazy people |
| 00:23:17 | Kronuz | D/A ? |
| 00:23:20 | liyang | (Well, D/A, mixing and all that.) |
| 00:23:25 | Kronuz | oh |
| 00:23:27 | liyang | Digital to analogue conversion. |
| 00:23:32 | Kronuz | DAC |
| 00:23:44 | liyang | PCM is a code, after all |
| 00:23:57 | Kronuz | it really is the BCM2724 then |
| 00:24:19 | Kronuz | we only need to get the programmers information |
| 00:24:19 | Mikachu | the picture clearly says 2722 |
| 00:24:26 | Mikachu | hah, only |
| 00:24:29 | Kronuz | that I meant |
| 00:24:30 | Kronuz | :P |
| 00:24:38 | Kronuz | BCM2722 |
| 00:24:52 | Kronuz | we should be able to get it, right? |
| 00:24:55 | Kronuz | we have insiders |
| 00:25:00 | Kronuz | (or not?) O_O |
| 00:25:01 | sharpe | we've known it's been bcm2722... |
| 00:25:28 | Kronuz | why didn't anyone say anything about it yesterday when I asked :P |
| 00:25:58 | sharpe | couldn't tell you. |
| 00:26:08 | Kronuz | everything was speculations yesterday, and today I know the model |
| 00:26:20 | liyang | It's the BCM2722. BCM2724 is identical but for having twice as much (off-chip) SDRAM memory. |
| 00:26:52 | Kronuz | tomorrow I'll have the programmers information and the day after a working implementation for rockbox |
| 00:27:02 | Kronuz | (yeah, right... I'm just dreaming) |
| 00:27:05 | sharpe | and there are no public datasheets for the bcm2722... |
| 00:27:11 | liyang | Which sounds like the often-used industry trick to increase yields. |
| 00:27:20 | Kronuz | what about the BCM2724? |
| 00:27:28 | sharpe | none for it either. |
| 00:27:35 | sharpe | broadcom doesn't seem to like releasing datasheets. |
| 00:27:54 | liyang | i.e. make BCM2724s, and for those with duff memory (or as demand dictates), mark them as BCM2722s. |
| 00:28:36 | Kronuz | we could unite the open source iPod world and start a founding to buy those specs |
| 00:28:38 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
| 00:29:03 | liyang | You only need USD 130M or so... |
| 00:29:24 | Kronuz | (duh!, where do I get those stupid ideas) |
| 00:29:27 | Kronuz | :P |
| 00:30:08 | liyang | (For that price you get the company too. <g>) |
| 00:30:20 | Kronuz | lol |
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| 00:30:47 | smably | even if you managed to get them, i assume you'd have to sign an NDA saying you wouldn't release your code |
| 00:31:24 | sharpe | and then if you did, you could be sued! :) |
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| 00:32:31 | Kronuz | but if I just happen to find them floating around and implement software to use the chip they can't do squad about it |
| 00:33:17 | sharpe | and the chances of that are... |
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| 00:33:24 | Kronuz | who knows |
| 00:33:28 | Kronuz | we might get lucky |
| 00:33:35 | liyang | You know, there used to be trial versions of VideoCore toolchain floating about. |
| 00:33:36 | sharpe | and the chances of that are... |
| 00:34:04 | Kronuz | you see, we're already getting lucky |
| 00:34:14 | Kronuz | about the VideoCore toolchain |
| 00:34:17 | liyang | Problem is finding them. |
| 00:34:33 | iriverh340 | one question, does the disk suffer when using disk poweroff?? does it really save battery in H340? |
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| 00:35:06 | smably | does it save battery? yes - significantly |
| 00:35:19 | smably | ...i doubt it would damage your disk |
| 00:35:32 | smably | though i'm no hardware expert |
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| 00:36:09 | iriverh340 | smably: so you suggest that I turn this on? I have read that disk duration is based on the number of times it is turned on and off |
| 00:36:11 | liyang | not immediate damage. It is known to reduce HD life but that's the tradeoff you pay for longer battery life. |
| 00:36:41 | iriverh340 | liyang: ok, that's what I have read, it reduces HD life, but how much? |
| 00:36:46 | liyang | iriverh340: mostly the number of hours it's been on, but there are plenty of other factors at play. |
| 00:36:57 | Kronuz | http://www.broadcom.com/products/software/mobmm_metaware.php |
| 00:37:03 | smably | as i said, i'm not a hardware expert; that being said, i was under the impression that it's the number of spinups that's significant |
| 00:37:13 | liyang | iriverh340: I'm willing to let it turn itself off to save battery life. |
| 00:37:21 | liyang | iriverh340: hard to quantify. :-/ |
| 00:37:22 | Mikachu | i would think it's spin ups and downs that shorten life, not giving power to the control chip |
| 00:37:35 | Mikachu | i type too slowly |
| 00:37:43 | smably | heh :) |
| 00:38:07 | iriverh340 | ok, so you suggest me to use this option without fear? |
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| 00:39:34 | liyang | iriverh340: you're not going to notice any shortening of the HD's lifespan. |
| 00:39:49 | liyang | On the other hand you might notice the reduction in battery life. |
| 00:39:54 | sharpe | unless you use it until it actually dies. |
| 00:40:07 | smably | AFAIK, the only reason it isn't on by default is an archos bug that caused certain players to crash with it on |
| 00:40:26 | smably | liyang: disk poweroff has been shown to improve battery life |
| 00:40:40 | smably | at least, i'm pretty sure that's what the benchmarks showed |
| 00:40:42 | amiconn | Mikachu: Audio codec != audio dac |
| 00:40:52 | iriverh340 | liyang: wow thanks then :) I will start using it right now, you are very kind guys thanks |
| 00:41:07 | amiconn | Audio codec usually means the combination of a dac and an adc |
| 00:41:29 | amiconn | Soe most ipods have an audio codec, but the minis only have an audio dac |
| 00:41:31 | sharpe | that means, a dacadc! |
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| 00:42:47 | smably | er, never mind me |
| 00:43:11 | Kronuz | http://www.metaware.com/products/metaware/ |
| 00:43:21 | liyang | Kronuz: https://support.arc.com/register_page1_new.asp?product=toolkit |
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| 00:43:35 | liyang | not sure if that has VC support. The name certainly doesn't imply it. |
| 00:43:54 | Kronuz | nah, that's just the ARC one |
| 00:44:12 | Kronuz | we need that one but for VideoCore |
| 00:44:26 | Kronuz | (I suppose) |
| 00:44:32 | sharpe | how about, http://www.broadcom.com/contact/information_request.php |
| 00:45:00 | Kronuz | then we just need to build an open source toolchain |
| 00:45:34 | liyang | that may come along eventually... |
| 00:45:50 | Kronuz | this is it: http://www.metaware.com/products/metaware/ |
| 00:45:55 | Kronuz | but there's no trial there |
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| 00:50:58 | sharpe | generally, are most of the players big endian, or little endian ? |
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| 00:52:02 | amiconn | Depends on the definition of 'most' |
| 00:52:23 | amiconn | SH1 (archos) and coldfire (iriver, iaudio) are big endian |
| 00:52:39 | amiconn | ARM (ipod, gigabeat) is little endian |
| 00:52:51 | amiconn | The sims can be both |
| 00:53:09 | sharpe | yay |
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| 00:56:12 | sharpe | i'm bored, thinking up ideas for something. |
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| 00:59:04 | liyang | I thought ARMs can be configured as either. :-/ |
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| 01:11:17 | Mekrob | hey anyone here use aim |
| 01:11:52 | * | midkay |
| 01:12:18 | Mekrob | do you know the approximate image size allowance of hand |
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| 01:12:41 | Mekrob | for icons |
| 01:12:50 | sharpe | 64x64 isn't it? |
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| 01:14:40 | midkay | something like that.. |
| 01:16:10 | sharpe | or is it 48x48... |
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| 01:19:08 | hardeep | I have a kludgy fix for preventing the hang when stopping playback while a voice is playing but I'm not sure how well it'll fly: ignore the stop |
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| 01:21:28 | sharpe | ooh. 111 megapixel camera. |
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| 01:21:36 | sharpe | er, ccd sensor. |
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| 01:25:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know if the limit for total image size for WPSes is after converting them to native depth, or before? |
| 01:25:53 | sharpe | i'd imagine before... |
| 01:26:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd think so. |
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| 01:26:19 | amiconn | after |
| 01:26:30 | sharpe | woo! i was right in the fact thiat i was wrong. |
| 01:26:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright then, so using 8-bit bmps is only useful for saving HD space, not for fitting more images on your WPS? |
| 01:26:47 | amiconn | correct |
| 01:27:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there's a native buffer and a mono buffer, right? |
| 01:27:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or is my memory not working their either? |
| 01:27:52 | amiconn | The buffer is shared |
| 01:28:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, right |
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| 01:28:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I remember now, it's just that an assumed use of some mono images as well is used to calculate the size the buffer will be. |
| 01:30:15 | Kronuz | activating the second core might waste more battery, I'm just thinking |
| 01:30:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:30:30 | Kronuz | which is not a good thing :P |
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| 01:30:47 | JdGordon | tis if u have shares in the elcetric company :p |
| 01:31:19 | Kronuz | (it already drains the batteries faster than the apple's firmware) |
| 01:31:22 | Kronuz | (for some reason) |
| 01:31:57 | Kronuz | maybe enabling the second core in a wise manner would decrease battery waste |
| 01:31:59 | Kronuz | who knows |
| 01:32:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kronuz: The main reason we drain batteries faster is that we run the core at 75 mhz quite often. |
| 01:32:22 | Kronuz | can't think how right now... but it might :P |
| 01:32:33 | Kronuz | yeah, there's one reason |
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| 01:32:48 | Kronuz | enabling a second core and leaving them both at 30Hz |
| 01:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | mhz |
| 01:32:57 | Kronuz | maybe it's the same, who knows |
| 01:33:02 | Kronuz | yeah |
| 01:33:09 | Kronuz | oh |
| 01:33:09 | Kronuz | :P |
| 01:33:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | But yeah, the main core could be run at a constant speed, as low as possible, for the UI |
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| 01:33:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And other non-audio stuff |
| 01:33:37 | amiconn | The clocks are not independent |
| 01:33:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, well that sucks. |
| 01:33:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not unexpected I suppose |
| 01:34:00 | Kronuz | not independent?, but I read somewhere... |
| 01:34:12 | sharpe | well you read wrong :P |
| 01:34:12 | amiconn | Iirc, both cores run at the same speed by default (if enabled) |
| 01:34:17 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 01:34:21 | amiconn | Then you can throttle the second core |
| 01:34:27 | amiconn | ..but not vice versa |
| 01:34:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the Apple firmware doesn't often go past 35 when decoding MP3, but they seem to keep the clock speed just fast enough to decode realtime, instead of something like our method. |
| 01:34:54 | Kronuz | yeah, on the second one, you can change it |
| 01:35:00 | Kronuz | that's what I read |
| 01:35:00 | sharpe | hmm... can we actually make use of the second core? |
| 01:35:17 | amiconn | Kronuz: Yes, but only downwards starting from the 1st core's clock |
| 01:35:27 | Kronuz | yeah, that too |
| 01:35:39 | Kronuz | the COP can't run faster than the CPU |
| 01:35:42 | smably | question: why do we have realtime AAC playback on ipod but not iriver? just the different cpu architecture? |
| 01:35:46 | Kronuz | can run slower tho' |
| 01:36:27 | Kronuz | we might need to be able to switch threads in real time from one core to the other... |
| 01:36:43 | Kronuz | to be able to waste as little battery as possible |
| 01:36:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | smably: Basically, yes. The AAC library happened to run faster on the iPod. |
| 01:38:05 | smably | hmm, interesting. is anyone working on optimizing the code at this point? |
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| 01:38:31 | amiconn | Kronuz: I don't think we should use the COP at all as long as we can get away with a single core. |
| 01:38:58 | amiconn | It would only complicate things. |
| 01:39:14 | amiconn | Maybe we'll need it if we (ever) implement video decoding |
| 01:40:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It still might be good to test power efficiency of having both on at lower speed vs a single on at higher speed. |
| 01:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, do we really know the COP isn't drawing any power right now? |
| 01:41:15 | amiconn | We can't really tell anything w/o hw docs |
| 01:42:09 | amiconn | Migrating threads will surely add a lot of overhead, so that's out of question |
| 01:44:16 | amiconn | Starting threads on a selectable core might be possible, but even then we need to keep attention on data integrity |
| 01:44:30 | amiconn | Each core has its own cache, and there is no bus snooping |
| 01:45:12 | amiconn | Running threads on both cores will very likely cause one of the threads run at less than 100% load |
| 01:45:35 | amiconn | *one of the cores |
| 01:45:44 | amiconn | ..because we can't change clocks independently |
| 01:47:53 | Mikachu | wouldn't offloading lcd drawing help, since the code just sits and waits for sync signals anyway |
| 01:48:13 | Mikachu | there should be a questionmark somewhere in there too |
| 01:50:16 | amiconn | (1) lcd transfer only waits for sync on g5. (2) It doesn't just wait, but sends a block, waits for sync, sends next block etc |
| 01:50:44 | amiconn | Offloading that to the second core wouldn't help battery runtime at all |
| 01:50:47 | Mikachu | oh, i was pretty sure it did that on ipods too |
| 01:50:55 | Mikachu | no i was just thinking performance there |
| 01:51:15 | amiconn | It does on ipod g5, no others |
| 01:51:45 | amiconn | ...because only the g5 has that broadcom c*** |
| 01:52:03 | Mikachu | heh, i thought g5 was some other target |
| 01:52:53 | liyang | Clearly the solution is to just run the codec on the BRCM side. |
| 01:52:56 | amiconn | I prefer g1 ... g5 over the switched version, because a number of users mistakes the latter for a capacity |
| 01:53:06 | amiconn | (even if it says g not gb) |
| 01:53:22 | liyang | Call it the vPod? |
| 01:53:43 | Mikachu | the nano isn't a video ipod |
| 01:54:09 | liyang | And the 4G would be the pPod. |
| 01:54:15 | Mikachu | heh |
| 01:54:40 | amiconn | liyang: Also wrong. There's a g4 grayscale and the color/photo version |
| 01:54:56 | liyang | amiconn: but that just ruins the joke. :( |
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| 02:12:24 | Kronuz | I'm back |
| 02:12:24 | Kronuz | sorry :P |
| 02:12:40 | Kronuz | amiconn: well, if it's well done it wouldn't complicate things |
| 02:12:55 | Kronuz | (just the threading code) |
| 02:13:41 | Kronuz | and also, what Paul_The_Nerd says it's true, we don't know if the COP is currently drawing power |
| 02:17:18 | Mikachu | star is really hard |
| 02:17:33 | Kronuz | star? |
| 02:17:40 | sharpe | plugin. |
| 02:17:42 | Mikachu | the game |
| 02:17:45 | Kronuz | oh |
| 02:18:06 | sharpe | i'm going to make a wps. |
| 02:18:09 | sharpe | go me. |
| 02:18:11 | Mikachu | hooray |
| 02:18:14 | Mikachu | sharpe power |
| 02:18:14 | Kronuz | amiconn: how do lcd transfers work? |
| 02:18:31 | sharpe | time to make a better one than i made before. |
| 02:18:40 | sharpe | gentlemen, we can rebuild it. |
| 02:20:43 | sharpe | alright, i'll stop with the bionic man comments. |
| 02:20:57 | midkay | please. |
| 02:21:06 | sharpe | i hate you midkay. :D |
| 02:21:10 | midkay | :) |
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| 02:23:39 | sharpe | i still don't know why i have my ipod's casing covered in sand... |
| 02:23:52 | midkay | because you haven't cleaned it. |
| 02:24:01 | midkay | and you want to use it as a point of conversation. |
| 02:24:02 | sharpe | i mean, why i haven't gotten around to doing so. |
| 02:24:07 | sharpe | ah. good point. |
| 02:24:18 | sharpe | it also allows me to talk about my trip i took. |
| 02:24:27 | midkay | the one which nobody wants to hear about. yes. |
| 02:24:44 | sharpe | the one that i obviously went to a sandy place. such as the desert or a beach. in this case, a beach. |
| 02:24:54 | sharpe | or a sandbox. |
| 02:25:13 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:25:21 | sharpe | the same trip i also got a sunburn on. |
| 02:25:47 | midkay | hooray. |
| 02:25:50 | midkay | we want to see. |
| 02:25:52 | sharpe | yep. |
| 02:26:01 | sharpe | i'll make a wps with the backdrop of it. |
| 02:26:03 | midkay | let's see your face. show us your face. |
| 02:26:06 | sharpe | lol. |
| 02:26:56 | sharpe | i hate sand. |
| 02:26:59 | sharpe | but not really. |
| 02:27:17 | smably | electronics hate sand :( |
| 02:27:25 | sharpe | gah! i just thought that i could've taken pictures and then made a theme out of them. |
| 02:27:53 | sharpe | smably: it's more like, electronics with moving parts... |
| 02:29:16 | sharpe | i love it how sand gets in the most oddest places. like places that you'd think were sealed... like between the sub-lcd screen and the plastic layer on my cellphone... |
| 02:30:01 | smably | i suppose it wouldn't be such an issue with an ipod |
| 02:30:05 | smably | for a digicam, on the other hand... |
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| 02:30:40 | sharpe | the only place sand got partially in on my ipod was at the hold switch... |
| 02:31:40 | midkay | hyaaaa. |
| 02:31:43 | midkay | owned. |
| 02:32:03 | sharpe | it was like one grain. and it's gone now. take that. |
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| 02:32:14 | midkay | hyaayayayaaaa. owned. |
| 02:32:26 | midkay | sharpe was hassled by a grain of sand. |
| 02:32:55 | aliask | midkay: Any idea why star operates at different speeds between nano and video? |
| 02:33:11 | midkay | aliask, different LCD sizes, drivers, optimization.. |
| 02:33:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it move X pixels per second, instead of X% of the screen? |
| 02:33:27 | Mikachu | aliask: i made a hack to make it slower on nano |
| 02:33:42 | midkay | the nano's LCD is half the Video's size, that makes it update faster already, plus the driver is probably faster. |
| 02:34:03 | midkay | x pixels per second as probably 90% and more of the plugins we've already got. |
| 02:34:11 | Mikachu | aliask: http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/18?tx=on |
| 02:34:13 | aliask | Yeah, it was too fast on the H300 as well, so I made a patch, but I didn't know it was slower on the Video. |
| 02:34:16 | midkay | well, not even per second. |
| 02:34:22 | midkay | just x++ as fast as possible. |
| 02:34:23 | Mikachu | it just moves as fast as it can |
| 02:34:28 | sharpe | midkay: per unit of time :D |
| 02:34:43 | midkay | where unit of time is the fastest update speed possible, right. |
| 02:34:45 | midkay | :) |
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| 02:35:09 | Mikachu | aliask: that is just handtuned to nano |
| 02:35:31 | sharpe | how about a standard measurement... the "standard unit of measurment" (Um) which can be applied to any topic, cpu frequency, pixel rates, time, etc. |
| 02:35:42 | midkay | haha. |
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| 02:35:46 | midkay | Um. |
| 02:35:53 | sharpe | without a really consistent way of converting to and from Um. |
| 02:36:19 | midkay | you should just introduce a rb->sleep(HZ/speed) and #define speed per-target. |
| 02:36:24 | sharpe | and none of the measurement conversions should be linear either. |
| 02:36:30 | Mikachu | midkay: sleep(1) is too slow |
| 02:36:37 | midkay | for..? |
| 02:36:40 | Mikachu | for star |
| 02:36:45 | Mikachu | and 0 is too fast |
| 02:36:46 | aliask | Yes I agree |
| 02:36:50 | midkay | ah.. |
| 02:36:54 | Mikachu | that's why i have that amazing if |
| 02:36:58 | aliask | I like your 1 in 10 thing, it looks nice. |
| 02:37:02 | sharpe | use 0.5! :P even if it has to be a long. |
| 02:37:15 | Mikachu | (long)0.5 |
| 02:37:41 | Mikachu | can you cast a value without converting it? |
| 02:38:14 | Mikachu | just curious |
| 02:38:19 | sharpe | or just, { if (!counter%5) { sleep(1); } } |
| 02:38:40 | Mikachu | i think the ! has higher precedence than % |
| 02:38:55 | sharpe | well, that can be solved with parentheses. |
| 02:38:58 | aliask | More brackets then! |
| 02:38:59 | Mikachu | but i think comparison + assignment might be faster than % |
| 02:39:20 | midkay | just move the ! outside the parentahses... |
| 02:39:20 | sharpe | you can use bitwise and, !(counter & 4) |
| 02:39:21 | midkay | or.. |
| 02:39:24 | midkay | yeah, you can do that, no? |
| 02:39:30 | Mikachu | if needs a () |
| 02:39:31 | midkay | no. |
| 02:39:33 | midkay | never mind. |
| 02:39:42 | midkay | not thinking.. |
| 02:39:51 | sharpe | midkay: when *do* you think? |
| 02:40:02 | midkay | sharpe, whenever you *don't*.. which is always. |
| 02:40:05 | Mikachu | do you two have a thing? |
| 02:40:10 | sharpe | midkay: bastard. |
| 02:40:16 | midkay | i have a thing, i don't think sharpe does. |
| 02:40:27 | sharpe | this is why i hate midkay. |
| 02:40:32 | midkay | :D |
| 02:40:36 | midkay | darn man-women.. |
| 02:40:49 | sharpe | lol |
| 02:42:06 | sharpe | you don't really notice how crisp and clear lcd screens can be unless you haven't seen them for a while and they've been behind a layer of plastic. |
| 02:43:22 | midkay | whatever that means. |
| 02:43:29 | sharpe | hatred. |
| 02:43:34 | Mikachu | hat blue |
| 02:43:36 | midkay | indifference. |
| 02:43:42 | sharpe | shun. |
| 02:43:46 | midkay | queer. |
| 02:43:49 | Mikachu | sh dos |
| 02:43:49 | sharpe | whore. |
| 02:43:53 | midkay | phagocyte. |
| 02:43:55 | Mikachu | refined wh |
| 02:44:01 | sharpe | phagocytosis. |
| 02:44:04 | Mikachu | too hard |
| 02:44:20 | midkay | killer t cell. |
| 02:44:38 | sharpe | deoxyribonucleic acid. |
| 02:44:48 | midkay | mucus. |
| 02:44:56 | aliask | Homozygous beta proteins! BOTH OF YOU. |
| 02:45:02 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 02:45:03 | sharpe | thymine. |
| 02:45:08 | midkay | chyme. |
| 02:45:13 | sharpe | tyme. |
| 02:45:22 | midkay | clock. |
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| 02:45:28 | sharpe | oregano. |
| 02:45:33 | midkay | basil. |
| 02:45:42 | sharpe | pepper. |
| 02:45:46 | midkay | ratatouille. |
| 02:46:02 | sharpe | parsley. |
| 02:46:13 | midkay | atomicparsely. |
| 02:46:23 | sharpe | subatomicparsley. |
| 02:46:52 | midkay | quasiunstablesubatomicparsely. |
| 02:47:37 | sharpe | quasiquantumsubatomicunstableparsleyparticle. |
| 02:48:01 | midkay | demiunhappysemiinsecurequasiquantumsubatomicunstableparselyparticle. |
| 02:48:13 | Mikachu | suparsley string |
| 02:48:21 | sharpe | for god's sake midkay, you're spelling parsley wrong! |
| 02:48:30 | midkay | aaaaaaaaaa. damnit. |
| 02:48:42 | sharpe | just like parentheses. |
| 02:48:44 | midkay | i know how it's spelled, my fingers don't like that though. |
| 02:48:46 | midkay | argh. |
| 02:48:57 | smably | i think sharpe wins :P |
| 02:49:04 | sharpe | hahah. |
| 02:49:39 | midkay | go to hell. :( |
| 02:49:46 | midkay | i pride myself on spelling and grammar. :( |
| 02:49:54 | Mikachu | no more |
| 02:50:21 | midkay | TWO mistakes, one of which a typo, another of which is simply something that i forget? :( |
| 02:50:22 | sharpe | yes, score one for sharpe. sharpe : one, midkay : twenty. |
| 02:50:28 | midkay | haha |
| 02:51:12 | sharpe | in two minutes it went from 'hatred' to subatomic particles of parsley. to midkay's spelling. |
| 02:51:33 | sharpe | actually, five. |
| 02:51:34 | midkay | let's start over again. |
| 02:51:37 | sharpe | but still. |
| 02:51:39 | midkay | unhappiness. |
| 02:51:46 | sharpe | indifference. |
| 02:51:51 | midkay | resentment. |
| 02:52:03 | yuriks | ... |
| 02:52:06 | sharpe | forgetfulness. |
| 02:52:19 | midkay | frustration. |
| 02:52:27 | sharpe | humor. |
| 02:52:40 | midkay | parsley. |
| 02:53:07 | sharpe | garlic. |
| 02:53:29 | midkay | onion. |
| 02:53:41 | sharpe | emeril lagasi. |
| 02:54:00 | sharpe | er. lagasse. |
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| 02:54:15 | midkay | lackofknowledgeinthatarea. |
| 02:54:59 | sharpe | cook with a show on the food tv network who uses garlic a lot a says "Bam!", however not as much as he used to. |
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| 02:55:29 | midkay | laughing aloud but not really. |
| 02:55:41 | sharpe | more of a quiet self-chuckle. |
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| 02:56:20 | midkay | not even. |
| 02:56:32 | sharpe | oh well. |
| 02:57:40 | midkay | yes. |
| 02:58:21 | sharpe | back to the wps-design. |
| 02:58:46 | midkay | yay. |
| 02:59:10 | sharpe | just need to think of ideas for it's layout. |
| 02:59:21 | midkay | "its", you mean. |
| 02:59:28 | sharpe | yes. |
| 02:59:34 | sharpe | no. |
| 02:59:40 | midkay | score 582 for midaky. |
| 02:59:42 | midkay | argh. |
| 02:59:43 | JdGordon | hey, if i want an array of say 30x200bytes for a thing that nt everyone would use, is it better to define it as a static array or grab it from the audio buffer on load? |
| 02:59:55 | sharpe | "it's" would be showing ownership. |
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| 03:00:09 | smably | it's = it is |
| 03:00:36 | midkay | right. |
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| 03:00:43 | midkay | so "thinking of ideas for it is layout" is wrong. |
| 03:01:00 | sharpe | for some reason, i just thought of the word contradiction.' |
| 03:01:08 | midkay | congratulations. but you were still wrong. |
| 03:01:23 | JdGordon | look at me.... what u guys rekon? |
| 03:01:26 | sharpe | your point? i still get to hold my one point victory over your head. |
| 03:01:27 | * | JdGordon wants attention! |
| 03:01:49 | sharpe | JdGordon: use an array :D |
| 03:02:09 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:02:21 | midkay | i reckon you oughta rand%1 that, bro. |
| 03:03:07 | sharpe | midkay: it's be rand() & 1, not rand()%1. if it was with %, it'd be rand()%2. hah. |
| 03:03:25 | JdGordon | actually, i think i can get it to 12bytes each so ill use a static array :D |
| 03:03:30 | midkay | wouldn't %1 return 0 or 1? |
| 03:03:35 | midkay | i'm quite sure it would. |
| 03:03:46 | Mikachu | %1 gives the rest when dividing with 1, which is always 0 |
| 03:03:46 | sharpe | it'd return 1 on all but zero. |
| 03:03:56 | JdGordon | %1 is always 0 |
| 03:04:04 | sharpe | er, vice versa of what i said. |
| 03:04:20 | midkay | my bad.. |
| 03:04:23 | midkay | %2. |
| 03:04:31 | JdGordon | rand()&1 is faster also |
| 03:04:33 | sharpe | hah. another point for sharpe. |
| 03:04:47 | midkay | hardly. |
| 03:04:48 | midkay | :p |
| 03:04:51 | JdGordon | scroes are 30000:2.. |
| 03:04:55 | JdGordon | scores* |
| 03:05:04 | smably | i think that was worth a half-point |
| 03:05:05 | * | JdGordon stays out of it |
| 03:05:11 | sharpe | well, i'm on a roll. two scores in the past fifteen minutes. |
| 03:05:41 | * | JdGordon going for breaky |
| 03:06:56 | midkay | jsaja. |
| 03:07:47 | JdGordon | wwwweeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 03:07:50 | JdGordon | my remote came :D |
| 03:08:11 | sharpe | it's amazing what you'll find when you take a breaky. |
| 03:08:36 | JdGordon | silly me went to check the letter box instead of having breaky.. damn im hungry |
| 03:08:40 | JdGordon | but now i got a new toy :D |
| 03:08:56 | smably | h300 remote? |
| 03:09:05 | JdGordon | h100, but ye |
| 03:09:08 | JdGordon | it works :D |
| 03:09:10 | smably | ah, ok |
| 03:09:33 | JdGordon | damn the screen is tiny |
| 03:09:41 | smably | i got the h100 remote but i didn't like the jog dials...so i splurged and got an h300 remote too :) |
| 03:09:51 | sharpe | midkay, ever take that look at the SIDE port source? hahah. |
| 03:11:27 | midkay | sharpe, no. you bastard. |
| 03:11:35 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:11:41 | midkay | ever played guild wars prophecies? no. |
| 03:11:41 | midkay | :) |
| 03:11:51 | sharpe | i hate you midkay. |
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| 03:12:06 | sharpe | ever see space invaders on your ipod? no. |
| 03:12:24 | midkay | yes.. |
| 03:12:32 | liyang | Running over MAME? Yes. |
| 03:12:34 | sharpe | even if it does freeze after the first invader is hit... |
| 03:12:34 | midkay | someone had submitted a patch. Paprica i think. |
| 03:12:43 | midkay | and i was able to shoot invaders sans freezes. |
| 03:12:45 | midkay | booyah. |
| 03:12:47 | midkay | :) |
| 03:12:53 | sharpe | lol. |
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| 03:24:05 | Mikachu | hopefully gcc is smart enough to produce the same code for &1 and %2 |
| 03:25:15 | sharpe | and the chances of that are... |
| 03:25:21 | midkay | JdGordon said that &1 was faster than %2! |
| 03:26:31 | JdGordon | ok, unopitmized the &1 is faster |
| 03:26:49 | JdGordon | heheheh, bubble wrap :D |
| 03:26:51 | * | midkay never learned how '&' worked |
| 03:26:58 | Mikachu | bitmask |
| 03:26:59 | sharpe | !!! |
| 03:27:46 | sharpe | 0&0=0 0&1=0 1&0=0 1&1=0 |
| 03:28:01 | sharpe | damnit |
| 03:28:04 | midkay | .. |
| 03:28:04 | hardeep | er, 1&1=1 |
| 03:28:04 | midkay | :p |
| 03:28:08 | sharpe | 1&1=1 |
| 03:28:21 | sharpe | i was stuck on zeros |
| 03:28:36 | midkay | int i=10; i&1 = ? |
| 03:28:39 | midkay | i&2? |
| 03:29:06 | sharpe | i&1= i&2 |
| 03:29:10 | sharpe | damit |
| 03:29:12 | sharpe | %... |
| 03:29:14 | Mikachu | midkay: convert it to binary and take the last digit |
| 03:29:35 | midkay | i mean what is i&1 and what is i&2. |
| 03:29:38 | midkay | ah.. |
| 03:29:42 | midkay | aha. |
| 03:30:01 | idnar | 2 decimal == 10 binary; 10 decimal == 1010 binary; 1010 & 0001 == 0000; 1010 & 0010 == 0010 |
| 03:30:03 | Mikachu | also convert the 1 and 2 to binary and take the digits that are 1 in both numbers, and convert back to decimal |
| 03:30:23 | Mikachu | hence the name bitwise and |
| 03:31:18 | midkay | got it |
| 03:31:22 | midkay | thanks. |
| 03:31:22 | midkay | :) |
| 03:31:22 | sharpe | yay |
| 03:31:46 | sharpe | i at least brought up the topic of &. |
| 03:31:49 | Mikachu | generally you don't go masking random decimal numbers though |
| 03:32:42 | smably | does anyone here know the remote code at all? |
| 03:33:09 | sharpe | & is also helpful for knowing if a bit is set. :D |
| 03:34:40 | Mikachu | then there's the fun trick with a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b |
| 03:34:57 | sharpe | hooray for switching variables without a temporary one. |
| 03:35:16 | midkay | haha. |
| 03:35:18 | sharpe | a^=b^=a^=b also, isn't it? |
| 03:35:33 | Mikachu | that statement makes me a bit nervous |
| 03:36:12 | sharpe | either it's a pun, or it's a real statement. |
| 03:39:30 | earHertz | the tick works for inrtegral types. don't even try it for non-integral types |
| 03:39:53 | sharpe | yeppers... |
| 03:40:02 | earHertz | in fact, don't even try it, period. if you reallhy really must swap without a temp, then do it in assembly |
| 03:40:34 | sharpe | isn't there a swap instruction for some architectures? |
| 03:40:58 | earHertz | sharpe: probbaly. the other thing you might do is use a register, as thta's not really memory |
| 03:41:05 | sharpe | yeah |
| 03:41:20 | earHertz | in fact you can do that in C, but there's nop guarentee that teh compiler will actually use a register: |
| 03:41:39 | earHertz | register int c = a ; a = b ; b = c ; |
| 03:42:42 | sharpe | xchg on x86... |
| 03:42:55 | Mikachu | the wikipedia article mentions xchg only works on registers |
| 03:43:13 | Mikachu | which i just read but didn't link to.. :) |
| 03:43:18 | earHertz | Mikachu:most assembnly works on registers |
| 03:43:20 | sharpe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xor_swap_algorithm |
| 03:43:26 | sharpe | :P |
| 03:43:31 | Mikachu | that's the one |
| 03:43:38 | sharpe | i'm good like that. |
| 03:43:52 | Mikachu | everyone should have a sharpe |
| 03:44:18 | Mikachu | can i have a strand of hair when human cloning is perfected? |
| 03:44:44 | sharpe | possibly |
| 03:47:21 | sharpe | bitwise operations are so fun |
| 03:48:19 | smably | dammit, adding proper H300 LCD remote support is going to be tricky :( |
| 03:48:51 | smably | everything's #define'd, but of course we can't decide the remote type at compile time |
| 03:49:37 | Mikachu | define to a variable :) |
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| 03:50:27 | smably | yeah, but... |
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| 03:56:53 | smably | Mikachu: it's only ever used in #if's, so that won't work |
| 03:57:09 | smably | OTOH, i am a c n00b, so it's possible that i'm overlooking something obvious |
| 03:57:45 | Mikachu | ah, i thought the issue was lcd resolutions for some reason |
| 03:58:11 | smably | no, it's remote button configurations |
| 03:58:50 | smably | and everything uses CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD, which is set to either REMOTE_H100 or REMOTE_H300 |
| 03:59:15 | smably | but in order to find out which remote is connected, we need to use remote_type() |
| 03:59:18 | smably | so...stuff |
| 03:59:32 | Mikachu | there are some scribblings about keybindings in the plans for 3.1 |
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| 04:00:02 | smably | yeah, i have a feeling that we're not going to get buttons working on the H100 and H300 remotes for 3.0 |
| 04:01:58 | smably | so, assuming that the only thing missing from H300 remote support is the button mapping, i'm thinking that we'll have to drop it from 3.0 |
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| 04:07:23 | smably | Paul_The_Nerd: do you happen to know about remote stuff? |
| 04:10:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | "remote stuff" is a pretty vague question, but I'm guessing the answer is going to be "no" because you're probably going to ask if I know about the portion of the source code relating to it? |
| 04:10:56 | smably | heh, ok (you're right) |
| 04:12:38 | smably | to my untrained eye at least, it looks like it would be very complicated to add on-the-fly remote detection |
| 04:13:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's already on-the-fly detection |
| 04:13:39 | smably | right; on-the-fly button mapping |
| 04:13:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you look in the debug information, on I think the I/O ports one, it tells you which remote type is plugged in. |
| 04:13:52 | smably | yes, i've looked at that |
| 04:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Now, what I see is that you're coming at it from the concept of labelling different buttons different things (the #defines) depending on which remote is plugged in, right? |
| 04:15:29 | smably | well, sure, that's how it's done now |
| 04:16:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since all the buttons work as buttons, but just do the wrong thing, is there any reason you can't just, for remote buttons, have a conditional that tells them to do different things depending on which remote was detected? |
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| 04:16:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you're not changing the defines, but rather what is done when a button press is detected. |
| 04:16:33 | smably | hold on; i'll have a look at the code |
| 04:18:30 | smably | well, what happens now is you #define the physical buttons to their functions (e.g., BUTTON_RIGHT to MENU_ENTER) |
| 04:19:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 04:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | So how does the "Optimized" build handle it? |
| 04:19:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well "Experimental" |
| 04:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it just break compatibility with H100 remotes? |
| 04:20:04 | smably | but we want to map them differently depending on what remote is connected...which we can't do without calling remote_type() |
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| 04:20:05 | smably | hmm... |
| 04:20:13 | smably | i'm not sure, but i can check |
| 04:20:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible the problem has already been solved, and nobody bothered to submit it back to us. |
| 04:22:58 | smably | looks like i missed this before: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2987 |
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| 04:39:15 | sharpe | yay, firefox is using 172 megs of ram, and still going... :) |
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| 04:45:27 | midkay | still going? it routinely uses nearly 300mb on my mom's PC.. |
| 04:45:36 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:45:48 | midkay | dot dot dot what? |
| 04:45:52 | sharpe | actually i closed it now. |
| 04:46:06 | midkay | okay. |
| 04:46:17 | sharpe | nooo, it's an ellipsis. |
| 04:46:50 | midkay | yay. |
| 04:46:53 | Mikachu | \loldots in LaTeX |
| 04:49:12 | sharpe | next in memory usage is avguard.exe @ 21.5mb. |
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| 05:23:35 | twisted_one | Hello everyone |
| 05:24:22 | sharpe | hello |
| 05:25:26 | twisted_one | I am very new to rockbox. I just purchased my 5G iPod yesterday after doing a bit of research into rockbox. I have been putting it off for a while (buying an iPod that is). I have to say that I am very impressed with this software thus far. |
| 05:25:53 | twisted_one | I was happy to take it home and install rockbox before I even booted it up into the AppleOS. =) |
| 05:26:29 | sharpe | heheh |
| 05:26:56 | smably | i think it's great how people are buying DAPs just so they can install rockbox :) |
| 05:27:33 | twisted_one | I have much respect for Apple, I think they produce some very nice products, but it was not exactly what I was looking for. I have been an avid fan of FLAC for years and their lacking of support is what kept me from purchasing an iPod, thanks to rockbox I no longer have to worry about that. |
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| 05:28:07 | sharpe | we should keep a list of testimonies. :D |
| 05:28:14 | twisted_one | May I be the first? |
| 05:28:26 | JdGordon | there is a thread on the forums for them |
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| 05:28:32 | twisted_one | "Thank you rockbox! You saved me from eternal damnation!!!" |
| 05:28:35 | sharpe | the rockbox appreciation thread. |
| 05:29:03 | twisted_one | I shall post something, but I suppose I will have to lose the sensationalism. |
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| 05:31:16 | twisted_one | Oh I know one thing that I have been meaning to post. Perhaps I can find the answer here, is it possible to change ownership and/or permissions on the ipod? Right now I am doing everything as root and I really dont like to run anything as root if I don't have to. I would think it would be possible to manage my music collection without being root, but I have been unable to find out and whenever I try and run chmod or chown I get a message telling me |
| 05:31:16 | twisted_one | that the operation is not permitted. |
| 05:33:30 | ashridah | twisted_one: which os are we talking about? |
| 05:33:58 | twisted_one | linux 2.6 |
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| 05:34:09 | twisted_one | namely gentoo, pretty much up to date |
| 05:35:04 | ashridah | using HAL to mount it or something? or just an entry in fstab? |
| 05:35:19 | twisted_one | for now, just mount, not even in fstab yet |
| 05:37:07 | ashridah | i used to use an entry in fstab that had the 'uid' flag set |
| 05:37:18 | ashridah | but nowadays, HAL just changes it to the group 'plugdev' which i'm a member of |
| 05:37:23 | ashridah | this is on ubuntu, mind you. |
| 05:37:51 | ashridah | but mount -o uid=yourusername /dev/blah /mnt/point *should* work. |
| 05:38:11 | twisted_one | Let me give that a shot |
| 05:38:28 | ashridah | the 'users' flag in fstab may work better for you. the man page for mount has a bunch of options under 'fat' and 'vfat' and general ones |
| 05:38:34 | ashridah | that'll give you something that suits you |
| 05:39:01 | twisted_one | I have the users flag set, but I still cannot write to it, just read the files. |
| 05:39:08 | MrStaticVoid | it's 'plugdev' on gentoo too, ashridah |
| 05:39:57 | twisted_one | MrStaticVoid: do I need to do anything to configure HAL or is there a way to make use of it? I really hate to show my ignorance here, but I really have no idea with it. |
| 05:41:40 | MrStaticVoid | is it automounting? |
| 05:42:00 | MrStaticVoid | if it is run "gpasswd -a yourusername plugdev" |
| 05:42:07 | MrStaticVoid | and relogin |
| 05:42:16 | MrStaticVoid | then you should have writable access to hal mounted devices |
| 05:42:18 | sharpe | hahah, i just realized something i said would make a name for something for rockbox... "sandbox" |
| 05:43:08 | sharpe | with the cliche -box suffix. |
| 05:45:14 | twisted_one | MrStaticVoid: If you are willing to help me here, I have never actually used anythign that has automounted. I have never really had a need for it in the past. |
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| 06:22:46 | pussfeller | i'm getting all these buffer i/o errors and crc errors in var/log/messages when I plug in my ipod, does that mean the HD is bad AGAIN |
| 06:22:59 | pussfeller | or should I reformat it... i don |
| 06:23:05 | pussfeller | dont think it will mount |
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| 06:28:07 | pussfeller | "bread failed... cant read superblock" |
| 06:31:25 | sharpe | pussfeller: try reformatting it. |
| 06:31:42 | pussfeller | all right sharpe |
| 06:32:33 | sharpe | and if that doesn't work, your HD may be bad. again. :) |
| 06:34:11 | pussfeller | do i need to keep that 41 mbs of free space |
| 06:34:28 | pussfeller | or do i just change teh type and then change it back or such |
| 06:34:32 | sharpe | you mean the empty partition? |
| 06:34:52 | pussfeller | yeah, theres an empty free space at teh beggining of the disk |
| 06:35:04 | sharpe | yeah, it's preferable for you to keep that. |
| 06:35:25 | sharpe | as, that's where the bootloader is. |
| 06:35:32 | pussfeller | ic :) |
| 06:35:34 | sharpe | along with the apple firmware. |
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| 06:36:43 | pussfeller | ach that gives me BUFFER IO stuff again |
| 06:36:58 | pussfeller | its the hd |
| 06:37:01 | sharpe | well, it would make sense that it's the HDD then |
| 06:37:34 | pussfeller | but, how do get in there to take rockbox off so when I send it back they don't say i violated tos |
| 06:38:35 | sharpe | hit it hard enough to where it physically damages the hdd. :) but if it's the hdd that has problems, i doubt they'll be able to read much from it. |
| 06:38:56 | pussfeller | it still boots up tho |
| 06:39:00 | sharpe | ah. |
| 06:39:17 | sharpe | hmm. |
| 06:39:24 | sharpe | just zero out all that you can :) |
| 06:39:40 | pussfeller | stupid ipod |
| 06:39:49 | twisted_one | /dev/random is fun too |
| 06:39:55 | pussfeller | i have had this thing less than 9 mos and its the second hd gone bad |
| 06:40:37 | scorche | what brand is the hd in there anyway? |
| 06:40:52 | sharpe | i'd imagine it depends on which ipod it is, scorche. :) |
| 06:41:01 | scorche | 5g =) |
| 06:41:33 | pussfeller | toshiba mk2006GAL |
| 06:41:46 | pussfeller | a photo 20 gig |
| 06:41:49 | * | scorche is too lazy to look things up |
| 06:42:25 | sharpe | pussfeller: just zero out the first few megs or so. |
| 06:42:47 | pussfeller | what, delete the free space if I can? |
| 06:43:17 | pussfeller | that should do something anyways |
| 06:44:05 | sharpe | well, the only way you can tell if the rockbox bootloader has been on it, would be if it still exists at the beginning of the hdd. |
| 06:44:05 | pussfeller | i dont even hardly jog with this thing at all.... i must conclude, ipods are cheaply made or somehitng |
| 06:44:43 | pussfeller | a dead ipod would be better than one with RB on it... they aren't going to go in and chack the files |
| 06:45:21 | sharpe | it wouldn't make sense to do anything if the files existed anyway, anyone can have /.rockbox/ on their ipod without rockbox.. :) |
| 06:45:53 | pussfeller | troof |
| 06:46:16 | pussfeller | well thanks... now i have to wait a week again :( |
| 06:46:17 | sharpe | you can use dd to do so. |
| 06:46:25 | sharpe | heh... |
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| 07:24:33 | JdGordon | if u change the firmware/export/config-X.h file do u need to reconfigure before reuibling? |
| 07:27:55 | JdGordon | doh! |
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| 08:31:39 | JdGordon | since when could u not turn off the h300 if it was plugged into the ac? |
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| 08:37:14 | dangaio | hello everybody. First of all, if there are any of the developers here, thank you thank you thank you. Rockbox rocks. |
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| 08:38:02 | B4gder | there are devs around |
| 08:39:07 | dangaio | My iPod has new life. There are 11 iPods in my work location and everybody has installed rockbox. |
| 08:39:15 | B4gder | :-) |
| 08:39:45 | dangaio | What they love most is not having to use iTunes any more and the interface is just superb (added themes). |
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| 08:42:08 | dangaio | what will be the changes in Rockbox 3.0? Where can I find that info? |
| 08:42:26 | scorche | dangaio: not much for ipods |
| 08:42:32 | B4gder | 3.0 is planned to be exactly what is available now, although bugfixed |
| 08:42:55 | B4gder | ...and not released for ipods... |
| 08:43:04 | dangaio | so, will the graphic equalizer work w/o skipping on playback? |
| 08:43:08 | dangaio | oh, ok. |
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| 08:54:49 | sharpe | Blargh. Goodnight Everyone. |
| 08:55:09 | scorche | blargh? |
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| 09:02:07 | sharpe | Yes. Blargh. A combination of Blargle, and Bleh. |
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| 09:03:08 | sharpe | G'night. Peoples. Yeah. Peoples. Multiple Persons. :D |
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| 09:48:40 | * | preglow kills c++ |
| 09:48:59 | ashridah | hit it! hit it again! |
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| 09:50:33 | * | preglow skins it! |
| 09:50:51 | * | preglow also kicks gtk |
| 09:51:21 | petur | getting violent, eh? |
| 09:51:28 | * | B4gder moves slowly away from preglow to not get in the way |
| 09:52:07 | preglow | wasting four hours in cryptic bugs all originating from a single missing & is too much sometimes |
| 09:52:15 | preglow | bloody c++ is such a cobbled together hack sometimes |
| 09:52:23 | petur | at least you found it |
| 09:53:15 | petur | I blame the programmers who (mis)use it |
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| 09:53:34 | nudelyn | IMO C++ is one of the best thought out languages, though its C legacy and some other old stuff made it a bit more complex than it needed to be. |
| 09:53:41 | preglow | yes, indeed |
| 09:53:50 | preglow | i hate languages where classes are not necesarily reference types |
| 09:54:04 | preglow | at least after this bug i do |
| 09:54:09 | nudelyn | When I went back to Java it struck me that the people at SUn don't know WTF and are unable to think things through, yet extremely arrogant about their retarded language design. |
| 09:54:21 | preglow | java is a sin |
| 09:54:38 | nudelyn | I kind of miss stack based classes (mostly doing C# these days) |
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| 09:54:48 | preglow | c# looks pretty nice |
| 09:54:54 | preglow | stack based classes? |
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| 09:55:14 | nudelyn | it is. it's not perfect but it's nice... C++/CLI is also very nice, though. I'm not sure which I'd choose given a free hand |
| 09:55:52 | nudelyn | stack based as in allocated on the stack, not with new, so that they're destroyed on exit from the current block. C# has "using" but it's not as good and you have to specially write classes for it... all pros and cons of garbage collection |
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| 09:58:29 | preglow | ahaha, right, yeah |
| 09:59:17 | preglow | i just want a prettier language than c++ |
| 09:59:24 | preglow | c++ is too complex for what it does |
| 09:59:35 | nudelyn | i tihnk the library/libraries are the most important thing (so long as the language/core-library design isn't totally b0rked like in java) |
| 09:59:42 | nudelyn | hmm yeah i agree |
| 09:59:50 | preglow | and c++ has no libraries :P |
| 09:59:54 | preglow | apart from stl, of course |
| 09:59:56 | nudelyn | once you know c++ inside out you forget how long it took to get there |
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| 10:00:07 | preglow | and boost, which is almost mandatory, though not bundled by default |
| 10:00:36 | nudelyn | yeah it sucks... every time i see these great libraries for stuff like Perl/Ruby/Java and other languages people shouldn't be writing full applications in I cry and wonder WTF they weren't written for C++. Especially when they ar eprobably written *in* C++ |
| 10:00:58 | preglow | hahaha |
| 10:01:01 | * | preglow hugs perl |
| 10:01:15 | nudelyn | I've still never used boost. :) Need to look at it really as it sounds pretty official/good. Was always put off by depending on some random library but it seems to be very well accepted. |
| 10:02:08 | nudelyn | I *really* miss STL when writing C#, although I'm stuck in .Net1.1 land so don't even have generics. I hope .Net2 is better but haven't used it much yet. .Net1.1's collections are a joke... Apart from the lack of type safety it seems that the made 50 completely random collection classes. |
| 10:02:30 | nudelyn | If you want to do something yuo ahevt o look through all of them, which are randomly named with random features that don't mesh together to cover everything you want to do. |
| 10:02:41 | nudelyn | and in the end you always end up writing your own :) |
| 10:03:02 | nudelyn | whereas with STL everything was there. it rocks. |
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| 10:03:43 | nudelyn | (e.g. some .Net1.1 collections don't let you specify a comparison thingie, so it might be perfect in terms of how you access objects, but it won't quite do what you want (e.g. case-insensitive string compares). |
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| 10:04:04 | nudelyn | another will let you set the comparator but won't do the other thing you wanted... it's frustrating. and you waste 10 minutes looking through them all each time. |
| 10:04:45 | preglow | stl is nice, indeed |
| 10:04:57 | preglow | by far what i use most, that and boost smart pointers |
| 10:04:58 | nudelyn | also some classes called "Lists" are actually dictionaries, and some dictionaries behave like lists... which is evne more great when there's no compile time type checking so you don't find an error about your assumption of the types until runtime |
| 10:05:33 | preglow | haha |
| 10:06:08 | petur | oh how nice... dropped back to VB style, did they? |
| 10:08:24 | _FireFly_ | nudelyn: in .Net2.0 there are now generics which are similar to the template container in stl. So you can now specify which type should be used e.g. LinkedList<string> |
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| 10:15:07 | * | B4gder sticks with C |
| 10:17:30 | * | petur has no problems with c++ if it's not abused |
| 10:17:30 | JdGordon | does the uisim use the config-<target>.h file or its own one? |
| 10:17:44 | petur | that file |
| 10:17:51 | B4gder | it uses the config-<target>.h ones |
| 10:17:52 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 10:18:04 | B4gder | but they do (often) have #ifdef simulator in them |
| 10:18:27 | petur | they all have I think |
| 10:18:40 | JdGordon | hmm.. ive added a HAVE_BLAA define and in the menu it works on the target but is skipped in the sim and i cant see why :'( |
| 10:19:20 | petur | because it's inside a #ifndef SIMULATOR block? |
| 10:19:40 | petur | and anyway, sheep don't compile too well |
| 10:19:52 | JdGordon | nope |
| 10:21:03 | * | petur kicks microsoft |
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| 10:27:52 | B4gder | this should cheer you up => http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43269 |
| 10:28:17 | B4gder | (and I mean all of you) |
| 10:29:05 | petur | hahaha the post of savagenator is nice :) |
| 10:29:29 | petur | the one after that too |
| 10:29:37 | scorche | lol |
| 10:29:51 | markun | yes :) |
| 10:30:20 | scorche | drippydonut scares me |
| 10:32:34 | nudelyn | _FireFly_ (Sorry was in the shower), but can you also pass comparitors for *every* collection, or just some? And is it clear when something contains DictionaryElement<x,y> and when it doesn't? |
| 10:32:51 | nudelyn | I guess the whole enumerator thing must be cleaner in .Net2 |
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| 10:38:37 | JdGordon | FAARRKKK |
| 10:38:58 | JdGordon | the bloody #define was hidden in a #ifndef simulator that was off the screen :'( |
| 10:39:23 | petur | [10:19] <petur> because it's inside a #ifndef SIMULATOR block? |
| 10:39:32 | JdGordon | ye, i know :p |
| 10:40:18 | nudelyn | I like how newer visual studios grey out stuff inside #if* blocks |
| 10:40:39 | nudelyn | not much use for RB but i like it :) |
| 10:42:08 | saa[b_r]ider | hi guys, I made 4 different battery tests on my H340 1) unofficial build with fix under realistic settings, 2) same unofficial build under minimal settings, 3) official build with fix under minimal settings, 4) official build without fix under minimal settings |
| 10:42:13 | _FireFly_ | nudelyn: i have no clear answer to your question because i have only a very small experiences with .Net an C# but you can look in the msdn http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.collections.generic(VS.80).aspx about the new generics in .Net 2.0 |
| 10:42:47 | B4gder | hide-ifdef-mode in emacs! |
| 10:43:06 | nudelyn | thanks ff, i'll have to look at it when i can finally move to .net2.0 at work (stupid corporate builds mumble grumble) |
| 10:43:31 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: What were the results for 3 & 4 ? |
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| 10:45:11 | preglow | H140D model? |
| 10:45:54 | saa[b_r]ider | I got interesting results, and now I plan to do my 5th test using the iRiver firmware, what do you guys think the equivelant of -25 db is in iRiver's fw? |
| 10:47:25 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3 I got a 112% boost 3) 8:41 4) 4:35 |
| 10:47:56 | saa[b_r]ider | using a 2 year old stock battery... my battery is dying, but I got a boot in battery life nonetheless |
| 10:48:35 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: So, it's clear that the fix more than doubles the battery life |
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| 10:48:50 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: But you need a new battery, indeed |
| 10:49:07 | saa[b_r]ider | it's interesting though that I got the same battery life as the estimate the player calculates for 1300mAh batteries |
| 10:49:33 | Genre9mp3 | The estimation is going to change soon, though... |
| 10:49:44 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah, I do need a replacement. but to make my 5th test, any idea what -25 db is equal to in iRiver's fw? |
| 10:49:51 | preglow | nudelyn: any progress on green theme for non-5g targets? :> |
| 10:49:57 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: as you live in china it will not be difficult to get a new battery |
| 10:50:16 | saa[b_r]ider | markun: they're dirt cheap :p but that's what scares me :D |
| 10:50:35 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Are you going to do a test with iriver fw? |
| 10:50:42 | JdGordon | can u type cast a function? i.e if a function is asking for void (*blaa)(void* a) in its param list can u give it a bool blaa(bool boo) with the type cast and not get error/warnings? |
| 10:50:53 | markun | I got one of those cheap chinese '2200mAh' a long time ago and it's still working fine |
| 10:51:38 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah, that's what I'd like to do, to compare the battery life on the iriver fw with RB after the fix |
| 10:52:01 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: maybe try to prove that RB increases battery life :) |
| 10:52:29 | nudelyn | preglow: no, but I finshed my opus plugin update (finally, god damn that was tedious) so maybe sometime in the next decade i'll find the energy hehe |
| 10:52:35 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I don't know what -25 db is equal to in iriver's fw but I suppose tha 0 dB equal to 40 |
| 10:52:47 | saa[b_r]ider | markun: wasn't it thicker than the stock battery though? and does the H100 have the same 1300mAh battery as the H300? |
| 10:53:38 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah I know that much :) what's the lowest volume value in RB in db? (too lazy) |
| 10:53:54 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: -84dB |
| 10:54:37 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: But I don't think the volume range is the same with iriver fw |
| 10:54:51 | Genre9mp3 | It's not safe to calculate |
| 10:55:16 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah I can imagine... where are all the audiophiles when you need them :) |
| 10:55:25 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
| 10:55:28 | JdGordon | just test them both with full volume |
| 10:55:51 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I agree with JdGordon |
| 10:56:00 | Genre9mp3 | This is the only way to be sure |
| 10:56:20 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: a tiny bit thicker, but I don't know about the battery in the H300. |
| 10:56:28 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3 JdGordon: that means two more tests :p |
| 10:56:45 | JdGordon | well.. no ... and yes.. |
| 10:56:48 | Genre9mp3 | Yes but you have already made 4 |
| 10:56:58 | JdGordon | does the volume make such a diff anyway? |
| 10:57:09 | saa[b_r]ider | maybe a little... |
| 10:57:20 | saa[b_r]ider | I guess there only one way to find out ;) |
| 10:57:37 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: do you have your headphones connected? |
| 10:57:43 | Genre9mp3 | I don't think that makes much of a difference though... |
| 10:57:57 | saa[b_r]ider | and it would be interesting to know since I usually play music @ 0 db anyway |
| 10:58:04 | saa[b_r]ider | markun: of course ;) |
| 10:58:37 | markun | to compare you could leave them disconnected. Then the volume will matter even less |
| 10:58:40 | Genre9mp3 | Also, mind that you can do 2 "exactly the same" tests and get different results |
| 10:58:57 | saa[b_r]ider | I made my tests using -25 db since most of the other used that volume |
| 10:59:03 | saa[b_r]ider | of course... |
| 10:59:06 | Genre9mp3 | I once made 2 such tests and I got 9:30 & 10:00 |
| 10:59:33 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah, that's why an average out of 3 tests is usually recommended |
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| 11:00:52 | * | petur doesn't understand all the fuss about runtime tests |
| 11:01:05 | Genre9mp3 | I suppose that the difference is because of the timing that the disk decides to spin up when the battery is almost empty |
| 11:01:30 | saa[b_r]ider | test #5 started in iRiver fw :0 |
| 11:01:31 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 11:01:47 | saa[b_r]ider | man the replay logos are confusing! |
| 11:02:38 | saa[b_r]ider | what's the difference between (D) and i!(d) ? (I hope you understand my ascii art :p) |
| 11:04:06 | aliask | Directory and repeat directory I think it could be. |
| 11:04:47 | aliask | One just plays the directory through and stops, the other loops back to the start when it's done. (at least I think it does, it's been so long.....) |
| 11:05:21 | saa[b_r]ider | aliask: so there isn't something like 1(D) |
| 11:06:15 | aliask | I honestly can't remember. |
| 11:06:40 | aliask | (Plus I'm not 100% sure I got your ascii art) |
| 11:06:47 | saa[b_r]ider | I set it to i!(D) your explanation is what I thought... |
| 11:06:49 | saa[b_r]ider | hahaha |
| 11:06:55 | saa[b_r]ider | no I think you did :D |
| 11:07:12 | aliask | Maybe it's my superpower. |
| 11:07:19 | saa[b_r]ider | i! representing repeat arrows :) |
| 11:07:28 | aliask | Yeah the "recycle" arrows. |
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| 11:08:24 | saa[b_r]ider | so what are your thoughts? my best time in RB was 8:41... anyone wanna place any bets on the iRiver test? |
| 11:08:56 | aliask | I'm thinking it's probably less, judging that the H100's get better battery than the original now. |
| 11:11:00 | amiconn | petur: The 'fuss' about runtime tests is to calibrate the runtime estimation |
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| 11:11:19 | amiconn | Of course that does only make sense with a non-degraded battery |
| 11:11:28 | pondlife | Hi guys, |
| 11:11:39 | * | amiconn is doing a whole series of runtime tests |
| 11:11:51 | pondlife | I think I just made a bit of a discovery regarding voice crashes |
| 11:12:29 | aliask | How exactly is the runtime calculated? |
| 11:12:33 | pondlife | I had regular .talk clip crashes and got a recipe for them. I now find that disabling Dir Cache fixes them |
| 11:12:57 | pondlife | So maybe the .talk playback code isn't waiting for disk spin-up nicely? |
| 11:15:31 | amiconn | aliask: The runtime calculation takes an average current (unit playing 192kbps mp3), add some extra currents to that (e.g. when the backlight is always on), then divides the battery capacity by the calculated current |
| 11:19:56 | aliask | So it takes the current level of battery drain into account. (If I understant correctly) |
| 11:21:43 | aliask | pondlife: The dircache clue is a good one, it'll probably make finding the bug a lot easier. I might even take a look at it myself (I'm very unfamiliar with all voice and playback code, but it might be a simple fix) |
| 11:22:30 | pondlife | I've been looking at the playback code with a blank look on my face for a while now |
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| 11:23:30 | pondlife | Thought I'd mention this but not sure whether it's worth pointing it out directly to hardeep or lostlogic yet.... |
| 11:23:49 | pondlife | It would be good if those who are suffering voice problems could report back with their Dir Cache settings, and disable it if enabled. |
| 11:25:05 | aliask | pondlife: I've never used .talk files before, how do they work? |
| 11:25:22 | pondlife | Hang on, I'll find the wiki |
| 11:25:59 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto#Speaking_spelling_directories_an |
| 11:26:15 | aliask | Thanks |
| 11:26:28 | pondlife | I'm not blind, but I do find talking very useful when I'm driving |
| 11:26:39 | pondlife | And I do most of my Rockbox use when driving |
| 11:26:57 | pondlife | Which is why a hard crash is a particular PITA! |
| 11:27:19 | pondlife | That reset button isn't easy to operate at 70mph ;-) |
| 11:27:35 | * | petur gets hungry and blames pondlife for mentioning food |
| 11:27:51 | B4gder | 0xf00d |
| 11:28:04 | pondlife | That's pitta, not PITA! |
| 11:28:16 | aliask | Hah, I just realised I'm hungry because of you petur, so you're equally blamable. |
| 11:28:30 | pondlife | petur bread? |
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| 11:28:53 | pondlife | And then there's nudel.. |
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| 11:29:29 | pondlife | With a sprinkling of Paprica. |
| 11:29:37 | aliask | Well, enough of this talk of food, dinner time! |
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| 11:30:00 | petur | bah... 30 minutes till lunch :/ |
| 11:30:14 | * | pondlife has to wait another hour or 2 at least |
| 11:30:44 | preglow | five more hours, then beer in the sun! |
| 11:31:18 | petur | hmmm... more like 9 hours here |
| 11:32:42 | pondlife | petur: What, no beer at lunch? |
| 11:33:11 | petur | never |
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| 11:33:43 | preglow | hahaha, coming back from lunch smelling of beer is a surefire way to get fired in this country |
| 11:34:27 | pondlife | Country or company...? |
| 11:34:33 | preglow | country |
| 11:34:40 | pondlife | Not even one, on a Friday? |
| 11:34:56 | preglow | most companies would frown on that for sure |
| 11:35:14 | pondlife | Hmm, the past 2 companies I've worked for encouraged it! |
| 11:35:19 | preglow | which is admirable! |
| 11:35:21 | preglow | heh |
| 11:35:31 | pondlife | Just the one of course, and no heavy machinery involved |
| 11:35:42 | pondlife | Team building I think they called it. |
| 11:35:47 | preglow | haha |
| 11:36:19 | pondlife | The place was deserted on Friday from 12:30 to 14:00 |
| 11:37:17 | petur | at my previous job they served free beer at noon |
| 11:37:33 | preglow | ghah, blast this puritan asshat country |
| 11:37:33 | pondlife | Was that in a brewery? |
| 11:37:41 | pondlife | preglow: Which country is that ? |
| 11:37:45 | preglow | norway |
| 11:37:52 | pondlife | Not the US then? |
| 11:38:00 | preglow | haha, no |
| 11:38:06 | preglow | nice country overall, but in a few areas it sucks rod |
| 11:38:10 | * | scorche frowns |
| 11:38:40 | * | scorche has to go to europe on of these days... |
| 11:38:51 | scorche | *one |
| 11:38:55 | petur | where? |
| 11:39:17 | scorche | somewhere over there =P |
| 11:40:04 | scorche | where ever the first chance i get takes me to i guess |
| 11:40:57 | pondlife | I just found out about Norwegian beer law. More than 4.5% alcohol and they're more controlled/taxed? Is that true? |
| 11:41:32 | preglow | all alcohol is heavily taxed |
| 11:41:38 | pondlife | In the UK, most lagers are >4.5% (sadly) |
| 11:41:44 | preglow | everything above 4.7 has to be sold in the state wine/liquor monopoly shops |
| 11:41:55 | preglow | at exhorbitant prices |
| 11:42:01 | petur | been there done that :) |
| 11:42:02 | preglow | also, the variety of beers sucks |
| 11:42:19 | pondlife | Would you like pils, or pils? |
| 11:42:22 | preglow | i'm tired of light lagers, but that's all norwegian breweries make |
| 11:42:23 | pondlife | ;-) |
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| 11:42:43 | pondlife | Hmm, wheat beer for me. Or a pint of Summer Lightning... |
| 11:43:21 | preglow | wheat, stout, bitter, ipa, dunkel, everything, but not pils |
| 11:43:22 | preglow | hahah |
| 11:43:29 | preglow | enough of those, thank you |
| 11:43:34 | preglow | now you made me rant about beer again |
| 11:43:46 | pondlife | Sorry. I missed the other rants. |
| 11:43:53 | preglow | it's a weekly event |
| 11:44:10 | pondlife | Here's my local: http://www.hopback.co.uk/hopleaf.html |
| 11:44:17 | * | amiconn thinks it happens more often ;) |
| 11:44:38 | * | petur invites preglow to Belgium |
| 11:44:50 | preglow | i'm going to england soon |
| 11:44:53 | preglow | that'll do just nicely for me |
| 11:45:25 | pondlife | petur: I enjoyed my last visit to Belgium, but can't remember why |
| 11:46:18 | markun | petur: the last time in Begium was at the Dour festival last year, do you know it? |
| 11:46:40 | petur | I know it but have never been there |
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| 11:49:01 | pondlife | Ah I've got a non-beer related question... about... Rockbox.. |
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| 11:49:11 | * | scorche wonders why he never goes to sleep |
| 11:49:41 | preglow | rockbox, ah yes... |
| 11:49:58 | pondlife | When playing a track, didn't there used to be an option when returning to the file browser to show the playing directory (follow playlist or somesuch)? |
| 11:50:59 | scorche | ACK!!!! |
| 11:51:07 | scorche | cat brought in a wounded mouse for me |
| 11:51:12 | pondlife | Nice! |
| 11:51:19 | preglow | it's proud! pat it! |
| 11:51:20 | pondlife | I got a frog that way yesterday. |
| 11:51:26 | pondlife | It's a gift |
| 11:51:32 | petur | dinner? |
| 11:51:36 | pondlife | Show your appreciation by playing with it for a bit, then eat it. |
| 11:51:41 | pondlife | The mouse, not the cat. |
| 11:51:42 | preglow | ahahahaha |
| 11:51:54 | scorche | i like it much better when she brings in birds |
| 11:51:57 | preglow | i've got to detach, this grew too entertaining |
| 11:51:58 | preglow | later |
| 11:52:09 | scorche | feathers all over is much better to clean up than blood all over |
| 11:52:24 | pondlife | Urgh. Birds that are injured can leave blood and feathers everywhere. |
| 11:52:35 | amiconn | Poka64: 'follow playlist' is the option you're lloking for |
| 11:52:35 | scorche | true...bird have blood too... |
| 11:52:36 | pondlife | I've still got bird bloodstains on my curtains. |
| 11:52:41 | amiconn | *looking even |
| 11:53:23 | pondlife | amiconn: Thanks, I think I was looking in the wrong place. |
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| 11:54:23 | scorche | pondlife: i find your handle amusing when you talk about your cat bringing in a frog =P |
| 11:54:47 | pondlife | scorche: haha |
| 11:55:37 | pondlife | Unrelated. The term pondlife was used by some marketing people I met (referring to those who would take up an initial good value offer, but not become regular customers). |
| 11:55:59 | scorche | and on that note i am off |
| 11:56:03 | * | scorche zZZZz |
| 11:57:35 | pondlife | Before I go, could someone with Flyspray permissions mark #5570 to be due in 3.0..? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5570 |
| 11:58:01 | petur | done |
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| 11:58:12 | pondlife | petur: Thanks |
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| 12:02:33 | petur | lunch! |
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| 12:05:00 | imbrandon | morning fellas |
| 12:05:28 | JdGordon | morning... again?? oh bloody hell.. |
| 12:05:37 | imbrandon | heh |
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| 12:30:38 | pondlife | Another question - is it intentional that if set to Repeat:All , the Follow Directory option is ignored? I'd expect it to follow directories, then repeat from the last one to the first... |
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| 12:33:05 | _FireFly_ | pondlife: afaik the repeat:all option affects only the current playlist |
| 12:33:26 | pondlife | OK, that makes sense with the current behaviour |
| 12:35:21 | aliask|afk | Am I doing anything wrong with this getting rockbox to voice dirnames? I'm putting a short mp3 (not actually voice) into a directory and renaming it _dirname.talk. Voice directories is set to ".talk mp3 clip". |
| 12:35:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:36:07 | aliask|afk | If I move the cursor over a folder with a _dirname.talk in it, the HD led comes on for a tic, but no voice. |
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| 12:41:13 | pondlife | Did you enabled the option too? |
| 12:41:17 | pondlife | enable |
| 12:42:13 | pondlife | I don't know, but there may be hard-coded restrictions on voice files (e.g. mono)? |
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| 13:10:50 | petur | pondlife: I'm sure there is a size restriction on the voice clips |
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| 13:18:46 | preglow | voice files are low bitrate, mono, low samplerate |
| 13:19:06 | preglow | other than that, i don't know of any criteria, though size almost certainly makes an appearance on the list too |
| 13:20:24 | amiconn | talk clips, not voice files |
| 13:20:47 | amiconn | There surely is a size restriction, but I don't remember how large |
| 13:20:47 | preglow | i thought the same criteria generally applied |
| 13:21:08 | preglow | also, it wouldn't surprise me if hwcodec has some of the criteria, ie. mono, hard coded |
| 13:21:24 | preglow | eh |
| 13:21:25 | amiconn | Other than size, the only restriction is that the file must be mp2/mp3 |
| 13:21:25 | preglow | swcodec |
| 13:22:04 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe. On hwcodec, there is no other restriction, i.e. in theory it could be 48kHz stereo 320kbps |
| 13:22:30 | amiconn | (but then the possible playtime would be pretty short) |
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| 13:30:35 | JonSenior | Just to add my thanks to the chorus. A battery benchmark run from full charge took a 24h48 to discharge the battery. That was using one of the iPod replacement batteries (Although I've forgotten the size) and continuous playback of an album recorded as OGG quality 5. Volume was set to -30dB. The headphones were only connected occasionally to check progress and no buttons were touched after the file started playing. Not a realistic evaluation of gen |
| 13:31:49 | pondlife | aliask|afk: Any luck yet? |
| 13:32:59 | aliask | I can get it to crash, just not play the voice. I'm looking at the code now. |
| 13:33:43 | dpro | since my ipod video was stolen on the weekend anyone knows if there's already a service where people can register their serial numbers so honest souls can check when thei're offered a 'bargain' ? |
| 13:34:20 | pondlife | aliask: Does your crash go away if Dir Cache is disabled? There may be a seperate voice crash if the voice files are missing/incorrect. |
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| 13:34:46 | aliask | Let me check. |
| 13:35:03 | pondlife | Either way, looking at the code is good! |
| 13:40:28 | aliask | Hrm, now I can't get the error at all >_> |
| 13:45:50 | amiconn | preglow: In fact there is no size restriction other than clip_size <= (audio_buffer_size - voicefile_size) |
| 13:46:26 | preglow | no people skilled at gtkmm here, no? |
| 13:46:36 | amiconn | ..and hence talk clips only work when music is stopped |
| 13:46:41 | * | petur looks up the word |
| 13:47:34 | amiconn | Imho that should be changed, reserving a small extra buffer for talk clips (I suggest 64KB) when talk clips are enabled |
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| 13:47:41 | pondlife | amiconn: Aha - wondered why voiced menus will play overy music, but .talk clips don't. |
| 13:47:50 | pondlife | over! |
| 13:48:23 | amiconn | I also suggest changing the 'voice files' and 'voice directories' options a bit |
| 13:48:47 | amiconn | E.g. I would like a fallback to spelling when talk clips are absent |
| 13:49:03 | pondlife | Does anyone use folder numbers? |
| 13:49:40 | pondlife | I think I'd like .talk folders to fall back to spelling, but .talk files to fall back to numbers. |
| 13:50:02 | amiconn | I suggest splitting both options in 2: (a) the voicing variant itself (off/numbers/spell) and (b) enable .talk clips |
| 13:50:12 | amiconn | (b) would be a simple boolean option |
| 13:50:24 | preglow | and i'd like a speech synthesizer! |
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| 13:50:43 | juxtap | lol, i am scared to play doom on my ipod 'cause the buttons are so fragile |
| 13:51:05 | pussfeller | dpro: I was thinking about something like that the otherday, but more like, is the ipod strong enough for rockbox to run an network stack and send out pings and system info to an ip? |
| 13:51:08 | amiconn | So, if (b) is enabled and a .talk file present, it would use that, and fall back to the option selected in (a) without a .talk file (or if (b) is off) |
| 13:51:10 | pondlife | Why not just enable them if they exist automatically? Would that increase disk spinup? (Assuming Dir Cache can be used!) |
| 13:51:31 | amiconn | Dircache doesn't prevent spinups for .talk clips |
| 13:51:44 | amiconn | ...because it's *dir*cache, not data cache |
| 13:51:55 | pondlife | Nope, but for checking .talk existance |
| 13:52:09 | amiconn | That's already done for filename clips |
| 13:52:18 | amiconn | ..even without dircache |
| 13:52:31 | pondlife | Great, so why bother with option (b) at all? |
| 13:52:35 | petur | right now if a talk file exists, memory is reserved for it and it gets loaded, even with voice disabled :/ |
| 13:52:51 | pondlife | i.e. just use .talk if it's present. |
| 13:52:57 | Captain_America | how do i register my nick |
| 13:53:02 | Captain_America | weres the url |
| 13:53:07 | Mikachu | /msg nickserv help |
| 13:55:29 | amiconn | petur: Wrong, it's not. But it should be according to my suggestion |
| 13:56:05 | Captain_America | snap |
| 13:56:11 | Captain_America | how do i change my pass |
| 13:56:17 | Captain_America | i set it to help |
| 13:56:31 | amiconn | pondlife: If someone doesn't want to use .talk clips, disabling (b) would serve 2 purposes (1) the check for the clip(s) (2) not reserving the suggested extra buffer |
| 13:56:39 | petur | amiconn: well according to my experience it works that way unless it got changed recently |
| 13:57:31 | petur | amiconn: I fixed a bug some time ago where you'd get a crash on a voice file even with voice disabled |
| 13:57:58 | amiconn | petur: You probably confuse .voice and .talk files |
| 13:58:02 | pondlife | amiconn: OK, I thought you meant that the check for the clips was inexpensive here. But the buffer space is worth having. Can't .talk clips use the main voice buffer (assuming that's the same buffer as used for spelling) |
| 13:58:22 | petur | amiconn: I probably do (/me slaps forehead again) |
| 13:58:29 | amiconn | pondlife: No, because the voice buffer is taken by the .voice file |
| 13:58:44 | pondlife | amicoinn: Of course! |
| 13:58:57 | pondlife | And I can't spell your name either |
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| 14:00:31 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 14:00:35 | petur | ho |
| 14:00:35 | Jungti1234 | B4dger? |
| 14:00:43 | Jungti1234 | Zagor? |
| 14:01:03 | Jungti1234 | I have problem. |
| 14:01:08 | * | petur gets extremely bored by platformbuilder |
| 14:01:09 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox . Main . IriverE10Info (oops) |
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| 14:01:14 | Jungti1234 | Topic save error |
| 14:01:14 | Jungti1234 | During save of file Main.IriverE10Info an error was found by the version control system. Please notify your Rockbox administrator. |
| 14:01:14 | Jungti1234 | Save attachment error /usr/bin/ci -q -l -m%COMMENT|U% -t-none -w%USERNAME|S% %FILENAME|F% |
| 14:01:14 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Jungti1234 |
| 14:01:14 | Jungti1234 | Go back in your browser and save your changes locally. |
| 14:01:16 | Jungti1234 | cismo: missing message for -m option |
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| 14:02:12 | Captain_America | anyone know why all movies i get dont work |
| 14:02:18 | Jungti1234 | anyone don't know? |
| 14:02:19 | Captain_America | they just show ambience |
| 14:02:26 | Captain_America | and i hear sound |
| 14:02:58 | petur | install divx? |
| 14:03:10 | pondlife | Or flash..? |
| 14:03:20 | petur | or the required codec |
| 14:03:37 | Zagor | Jungti1234: try again |
| 14:03:55 | Rori | Hey guys. I am having a problem with my nano losing my custom settings (Posted on forum also about this). At first I thought it was from letting the battery drain flat. But today it did it again after I have shutdown correctly, put the hold button on to prevent accidentally switching it on, then switching it back on about an hour later to find it had lost all my settings again. |
| 14:04:37 | petur | on+hold resets settings |
| 14:04:47 | Rori | ah! |
| 14:04:50 | Captain_America | whats an xvid |
| 14:04:50 | Rori | that makes sense |
| 14:04:51 | sharpe | Goodmorning everyone. |
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| 14:04:53 | petur | rtfm ;) |
| 14:05:23 | Rori | that could be a nuisance. I like to use hold while it's off to prevent accidentally switching it on |
| 14:05:27 | pussfeller | will resotring using that apple utility erase all the rockbox stuff? |
| 14:05:35 | Rori | yes |
| 14:05:43 | Rori | @ pussfeller |
| 14:05:47 | pussfeller | cool thanks |
| 14:05:53 | sharpe | or it could be, rtfaqtnstr. "read the frequently asked questions that nobody seems to read" |
| 14:06:08 | petur | Captain_America: what movies do you try to play? they're probably encoded using DivX or another codec that's not installed on your pc |
| 14:07:11 | Jungti1234 | hmm Zagor |
| 14:07:48 | Jungti1234 | It doesn't work yet. |
| 14:08:52 | Zagor | Jungti1234: same problem? |
| 14:09:03 | Jungti1234 | yes |
| 14:09:23 | Jungti1234 | ah, you know? |
| 14:09:44 | Jungti1234 | If there is Korean in file root, its error happens. |
| 14:09:59 | Jungti1234 | root -> Path |
| 14:10:12 | Zagor | aha. try moving the file to a simpler path. |
| 14:10:22 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 14:10:29 | Jungti1234 | But, even if it doesn't exist now, error happens. |
| 14:13:01 | pondlife | Hmm, what does I0B:Line-F at 32F06208 mean? |
| 14:13:20 | Jungti1234 | Zagor? you don't know? |
| 14:13:41 | Jungti1234 | You can upload it. |
| 14:14:24 | amiconn | Jungti1234: You need to enter something into the "comment" field. Without a comment, you'll get that error message |
| 14:14:29 | Jungti1234 | ah! |
| 14:14:31 | Jungti1234 | wait |
| 14:15:00 | Jungti1234 | wow |
| 14:15:04 | Jungti1234 | thanks amiconn |
| 14:15:16 | Jungti1234 | I didn't know it. |
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| 14:18:04 | Jungti1234 | How do I change image? |
| 14:18:05 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, I consider this a bug in twiki. Maybe it's fixed in a later version? |
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| 14:19:54 | Jungti1234 | ah I know |
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| 14:22:06 | Zagor | amiconn: possibly it is, yes |
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| 14:30:34 | * | pondlife must eat |
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| 14:38:14 | dpro | pussfeller: I don't think that this is really an option, I guess what the thief will do when he sees rb booting is "restoring" via itunes et voila ... |
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| 14:43:00 | * | dpro will grab the skateboard now and see how much of vienna's city center is affected by bush's visit ;) |
| 14:43:30 | * | petur whispers 'kill kill' :) |
| 14:43:50 | * | dpro would rather leave that to the experts ;) |
| 14:44:06 | petur | Germany is preparing for Bush too: http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/nbo200606vrijheidsbeeld.jpg |
| 14:44:11 | preglow | i've always had full confidence in you |
| 14:50:12 | PaulJam | JdGordon: thank you for fixing the random folder patch, i really like it. |
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| 15:09:18 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 15:09:21 | Jungti1234 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info |
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| 15:20:20 | daurnimator | BOO |
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| 15:20:35 | petur | MOO |
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| 15:20:51 | Jungti1234 | I updated it |
| 15:22:58 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 15:23:11 | Genre9mp3 | nice conversation there petur! :) |
| 15:23:28 | * | petur gets extremely bored by platformbuilder <−−−−- |
| 15:23:36 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
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| 15:28:16 | * | amiconn wonders what this platformbuilder thing is |
| 15:28:31 | petur | windows CE |
| 15:29:09 | amiconn | ugh |
| 15:29:11 | petur | it's even slower than cygwin (x10 at least) |
| 15:29:24 | petur | and *very* buggy |
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| 15:35:15 | JdGordon | PaulJam: hth :D |
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| 15:43:37 | petur | nice comment: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/XiaoFeng |
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| 15:48:01 | sharpe | odd comment. |
| 15:48:17 | petur | but not a spammer |
| 15:48:38 | sharpe | exactly... |
| 15:48:57 | Mikachu | what about the link to netinter.cn? |
| 15:49:25 | sharpe | but it's only there two times. :D |
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| 15:53:37 | sharpe | i thought i had gotten six hours of sleep, but turns out to be less than five hours. |
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| 15:54:58 | saa[b_r]ider | guys, how do you charge your H300? |
| 15:55:34 | saa[b_r]ider | do you have it charge under iRiver's fw, or under rockbox? |
| 15:55:59 | petur | rockbox |
| 15:56:14 | saa[b_r]ider | is it more effective? |
| 15:56:45 | PaulJam | i think it is hardware controlled, so there should be no difference |
| 15:57:01 | _FireFly_ | jup |
| 15:57:47 | saa[b_r]ider | but with the current boot loader, if the player is off and the AC adapter is connected, it charges under iRiver's fw, correct? |
| 15:58:16 | petur | yes |
| 15:58:42 | saa[b_r]ider | so you start rockbox to charge your player... |
| 15:59:36 | petur | Linus still has to make a bootloader that starts rb on AC |
| 15:59:45 | _FireFly_ | why should the dap start when the AC adapter is connected ? |
| 15:59:58 | petur | to charge? |
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| 16:00:08 | petur | and for car mode? |
| 16:00:20 | saa[b_r]ider | I'm just surprised that after 5 hours of continuous playback under iRiver's firmware, not a single battery bar has dropped yet, and the most I got under rockbox after the fix is 8 hours 41 minutes |
| 16:00:28 | _FireFly_ | my h120 doesn't start when i plug the AC adapter ;) |
| 16:01:38 | preglow | saa[b_r]ider: ehh? |
| 16:01:42 | preglow | saa[b_r]ider: how's that possible? |
| 16:02:16 | saa[b_r]ider | preglow: i have no idea! |
| 16:02:31 | amiconn | _FireFly_: The H300 does. |
| 16:02:37 | petur | repeating same song again and again? |
| 16:02:45 | saa[b_r]ider | preglow: I already made 4 different tests under rockbox |
| 16:02:51 | PaulJam | I think the batterydisplay under the original firmware is not linear |
| 16:03:01 | preglow | but eight hours anyway |
| 16:03:02 | preglow | that's not much |
| 16:03:08 | saa[b_r]ider | petur: no, I'm repeating an album, same one I used under the rockbox tests... |
| 16:03:34 | saa[b_r]ider | preglow: my player is old, that time is actually a 112% boost over the pre-fix build |
| 16:04:03 | saa[b_r]ider | preglow: I use to get under 5 hours with rockbox before amiconn's fix |
| 16:05:28 | saa[b_r]ider | I thought that my battery is just too old... but now that I've been going for 5 hours straight under irirver fw and still having a full set of battery bars, I'm having second thoughts |
| 16:06:15 | saa[b_r]ider | albeit the battery meter in iRiver's fw isn't a very accurate representation of the current voltage |
| 16:07:30 | amiconn | If you get ~8 hours in rockbox, I'd expect ~7 hours in retailos |
| 16:08:02 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Just wait and see for the results... |
| 16:08:15 | amiconn | (and strongly recommend replacing the battery) |
| 16:09:13 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: that's what I was expecting... but not one bar dropping? could the "what's it called" battery memory? damaged or something? |
| 16:09:20 | Genre9mp3 | I remember the battery indicator in iriver fw been empty while I just disconnected the player after a full charge |
| 16:09:34 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: can't help being surprised :p |
| 16:10:16 | saa[b_r]ider | stupid iriver fw :) |
| 16:11:12 | saa[b_r]ider | I remember having iRiver saying the battery fully charged, only to disconnect it and finding that the battery was actually empty |
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| 16:13:55 | bluebrother | great "bug": http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5574 :( |
| 16:14:01 | bluebrother | what do the users think? |
| 16:14:30 | petur | I'll make it a feature request |
| 16:14:40 | bluebrother | I thought about closing it. |
| 16:14:54 | petur | oh, maybe better :) |
| 16:15:09 | bluebrother | afaik the ipl bootloader can load rockbox, so what's the reason for a "new" rockbox bootloader? |
| 16:15:50 | bluebrother | I'm just amazed again and again what "useful" "bugs" appear in the tracker :( |
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| 16:28:42 | pussfeller | hmmm my ipod was fuxored with IO buffer errors, but I pounded it on the carpet HARD and seems to be fine now |
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| 16:30:11 | petur | throwing it out of a window helps too - you'll never see the error again ;) |
| 16:30:43 | pussfeller | that might void the warranty :) |
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| 16:42:06 | saa[b_r]ider | finally one bar dropped :) |
| 16:42:29 | * | petur helps the bar back up |
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| 16:43:01 | * | saa[b_r]ider doesn't want to stay up all not to find out how long the iriver firmware lasts |
| 16:43:14 | saa[b_r]ider | ^night |
| 16:43:15 | saa[b_r]ider | meh |
| 16:45:15 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: plug it to the pc via line-out and start recording...I'm not sure though if this will affect the test |
| 16:46:49 | Genre9mp3 | Hopefully though, it won't last long ;) |
| 16:47:32 | saa[b_r]ider | nah.. I'll just sit and wait ;) |
| 16:47:52 | bluebrother | XavierGr, any success with your broken mbr? |
| 16:48:41 | XavierGr | yes :) I managed to get over it, thanks |
| 16:49:06 | bluebrother | I wanted to mention testdisk to you, but you already left. |
| 16:49:07 | XavierGr | Just before I delete my mbr I had a backup of the partition I lost |
| 16:49:33 | bluebrother | backups are really useful ;-) |
| 16:49:44 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 16:49:55 | saa[b_r]ider | hahaha, second bar dropped :D |
| 16:49:59 | Genre9mp3 | backups are life savers actually |
| 16:50:52 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: The fall of the iriver empire....LOL |
| 16:51:09 | XavierGr | windows recovery console made me make the backup. Though it isn't windows fault, it said that maybe I will loose my data if I rewrite the mbr. Windows wrote the mbr correctly but the boot issues weren't solved so I just deleted the mbr info myself and there you go... |
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| 16:58:00 | XavierGr | yo hardeep! |
| 16:58:10 | hardeep | hey |
| 16:58:49 | XavierGr | Wasn't there a plan to remove battery_test from CVS? Many people seem to be confused with both plugins there. |
| 16:59:02 | hardeep | i dunno |
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| 17:00:13 | hardeep | i'm sure it'll be removed if it's not necessary |
| 17:01:53 | XavierGr | I heard about it 2-3 months ago, that's why ask. |
| 17:02:21 | XavierGr | Also, Genre9mp3, wasn't you who mentioned a loud POP when you accidentally started the plugin? |
| 17:02:43 | Genre9mp3 | Yes..but that was some time ago... |
| 17:03:08 | Genre9mp3 | Let me check it again |
| 17:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | (with the earphones ta a safe distance though) |
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| 17:06:49 | Genre9mp3 | No...it didn't do that again |
| 17:07:26 | RoC_MM | any 4g development lately? |
| 17:08:04 | Genre9mp3 | What the battery test actually do? |
| 17:08:30 | XavierGr | simulate archos usage |
| 17:08:52 | XavierGr | it just fills the buffer with dummy data and repeats that at specific intervals |
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| 17:09:16 | XavierGr | specific intervals = when the archos bufffer is supposed to end |
| 17:09:16 | Genre9mp3 | It resulted to: 18:14:32 86% |
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| 17:09:55 | Genre9mp3 | the 18:14:32 is the current time, not battery estimation, right? |
| 17:10:08 | XavierGr | I guess so, I am not sure |
| 17:10:39 | XavierGr | the thing is that the plugin is useless now except maybe for archos. |
| 17:11:43 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...it's the time |
| 17:11:52 | amiconn | battery_test is completely useless now that we have battery_bench |
| 17:11:57 | Genre9mp3 | What a co-incidence though.... |
| 17:12:10 | amiconn | The latter gives much more realistic figures even on archos |
| 17:12:32 | XavierGr | then for the sake of consistency someone should put it in the attic. |
| 17:12:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:13:00 | Genre9mp3 | 18 hours could easily corespond to 86% after the fix |
| 17:13:22 | andrewy | does rockbox have a way to save a list of songs listened to to a file? (for use with last.fm) |
| 17:13:39 | linuxstb_ | B4gder: You're too kind not closing bug #5574... |
| 17:13:52 | petur | andrewy: there's a patch in the tracker |
| 17:14:19 | petur | andrewy: and some experimental builds offered in the forums include it |
| 17:14:42 | andrewy | cool, thanks petur |
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| 17:39:30 | saa[b_r]ider | guess what, I'm down to 0 bars :p |
| 17:40:18 | petur | goodnight ;) |
| 17:40:35 | saa[b_r]ider | still running though :D |
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| 17:43:03 | sharpe | i guess we'll find out when you actually run out of power? |
| 17:43:21 | PaulJam | exit |
| 17:43:41 | PaulJam | wrong window.. |
| 17:44:12 | sharpe | how dare you. |
| 17:46:16 | saa[b_r]ider | sharpe: most likely |
| 17:49:41 | saa[b_r]ider | sharpe: you can relax now... test ended! |
| 17:51:50 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: how long was it? |
| 17:52:48 | sharpe | yay |
| 17:54:00 | sharpe | god. i read 'satan' as 'santa' |
| 17:54:21 | saa[b_r]ider | markun: 6:47 under iRiver fw with full volume... |
| 17:54:34 | XavierGr | then hooray |
| 17:54:54 | XavierGr | it's your battery to blame :p |
| 17:54:57 | saa[b_r]ider | now I need to do one more test under RB with full volume as well to proove that RB gives better battery life |
| 17:55:21 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: well yeah :( |
| 17:56:22 | sharpe | such time consuming tasks... |
| 17:56:25 | sharpe | :) |
| 17:56:43 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: you will be happy as hell when you upgrade |
| 17:57:13 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: tell me about it! I wish I can get a battery as impressive as yours though! 30 hours!!! |
| 17:57:14 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: So iriver firmware lets you with the impression that you have "full" battery and suddenly all battery "bars" begin to drop! |
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| 17:58:04 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: very true.. at least in my situation... I guess it's because the battery doesn't have that much life in it left |
| 17:58:04 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: You had a full battery icon at 5 hours, and the result was 6:47... |
| 17:58:38 | saa[b_r]ider | actually it felt as if all the bars started to drop only at the last hour! |
| 17:59:43 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: was the ionity battery you got thicker than the stock battery? |
| 18:00 |
| 18:02:16 | XavierGr | yes it was a little thicker |
| 18:02:27 | XavierGr | it was a very tight fit with my unit |
| 18:02:38 | XavierGr | (though I didn't remove any padding) |
| 18:03:02 | XavierGr | when I say tight I mean I was wrestling with the player to put the screws in |
| 18:03:49 | XavierGr | And I am afraid to open it up because maybe some of you know about my USB OTG problems |
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| 18:10:43 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr oh? what problems? |
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| 18:13:25 | XavierGr | well my H340 came with USB OTG being defective |
| 18:13:36 | XavierGr | I had to sent it 2 times in Germany to fix it |
| 18:13:49 | XavierGr | and the fix they did was only temporal |
| 18:14:26 | XavierGr | I opened the player apart and took my soldering iron |
| 18:15:01 | saab_rider2 | sorry to hear about that... |
| 18:15:02 | XavierGr | In a fix-it-or-die frenzy I soldered many joints untill I gave up on the verge of breaking it! |
| 18:15:24 | saab_rider2 | so it still doesn't work? |
| 18:15:48 | XavierGr | well after I closed the case it magically started to work. |
| 18:16:01 | XavierGr | but when I changed the battery I had problems |
| 18:16:17 | XavierGr | finally it is now working but I am afraid to open it up again |
| 18:16:27 | XavierGr | it is clear that the pcb is damaged somewhere |
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| 18:16:39 | saab_rider2 | I remember when I first got my H340... the PC wouldn't recognize it no matter what |
| 18:16:57 | saab_rider2 | turns out that my player was shipped with a defective USB cable :| |
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| 19:00:27 | ryran | wootiewoo |
| 19:00:49 | ryran | mcdonalds = evil ... but mcflurry = mmmmmm |
| 19:01:43 | juxtap | oreo mcflurry ftw |
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| 19:05:32 | sharpe | what would be a good thing for me to work on... |
| 19:06:06 | juxtap | a slow-me-down plugin :] |
| 19:06:23 | sharpe | and what would this slow-me-down plugin do? |
| 19:06:43 | juxtap | it would slow down a track without altering pitch |
| 19:06:56 | juxtap | (to a desired degree) |
| 19:07:13 | sharpe | ooh. |
| 19:07:20 | freqmod | How do I set the equalent of the oss audio format "AFMT_S16_NE" in an audio codec? |
| 19:07:31 | juxtap | (useful for musicians) |
| 19:07:45 | sharpe | well, i know very little about playback, so you'll just have to deal with demonic sounding voices for now. :D |
| 19:08:16 | juxtap | demonic sounding voices? |
| 19:08:51 | sharpe | yes, slowing playback to 50% results in lower-pitched sounds. |
| 19:09:57 | juxtap | oh heh :p |
| 19:10:05 | sharpe | lol... |
| 19:10:16 | juxtap | thought you were on about another plugin of yours |
| 19:10:21 | juxtap | the demon plugin |
| 19:11:22 | sharpe | i don't have a demon plugin... |
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| 19:11:34 | ryran | ugh. sooooooo don't want to be working right now. |
| 19:13:15 | sharpe | hah, i did not know the library of congress has collections on file formats... |
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| 19:17:03 | sharpe | i'm bored, i'll look into video playback. nothing will come of this though. |
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| 19:18:23 | RedBreva | If this PHP code: $Line=preg_replace('/\n/','',fgets($FileHandle)); removes UNIX end of line, what would I use to cope with Windows OR Unix EOL's?? |
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| 19:23:39 | sharpe | RedBreva: use *two* preg_replace()es ? |
| 19:24:53 | RedBreva | '/\n\r/' first, then '/\n/' after? |
| 19:25:46 | sharpe | sure!, except, have the second use $Line as the input. |
| 19:28:46 | RedBreva | OK, will give it a try, just wondered if there was some clever regex magic that could do it in one pass... Thanks |
| 19:29:53 | sharpe | i think there is, i'm looking... |
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| 19:31:30 | sharpe | ah... try '/\n|\r/' |
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| 19:31:54 | amiconn | RedBreva: I'd check for both \r and \n and replace them with nothing. This way the script will cope with all variants of line ends |
| 19:32:05 | amiconn | (dos/win, unix, and mac) |
| 19:32:23 | RedBreva | Ah, good thinking ;-) Will do |
| 19:32:48 | sharpe | i've really no idea about regular expressions, so i'm not really of help. :D |
| 19:33:25 | RedBreva | I know even less, so don't worry ;-) |
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| 19:34:22 | sharpe | lol, are you still working with the php wps/theme thing? |
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| 19:37:45 | amiconn | RedBreva: sharpe's suggestion should work afaik |
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| 19:38:22 | sharpe | go me... possibly. |
| 19:38:30 | RedBreva | Yes, just trying to clear out the last remaining bugs in my PHP code :) |
| 19:38:43 | sharpe | ah, quite fun. |
| 19:40:03 | RedBreva | I have discovered the joy of debugging non-interactive code, that works diffently on my Windows test server to the Unix based ISP server, in a language that I only started to learn two weeks ago... :D and I am lovin' it |
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| 19:43:42 | sharpe | i am determined to get a frame from an avi displayed, in rockbox. :D |
| 19:43:53 | RedBreva | OK, the desription text etc now displays (where there is a suitable file) ie http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x2, now to make the parsing platform agnostic |
| 19:47:40 | amiconn | RedBreva: WPSes cannot necessarily be shared among all platforms wth identical resolution |
| 19:48:21 | amiconn | ..e.g. when a 160x128x2 wps contains time/date tags, it will work on ipod g4 but not on h1x0 |
| 19:48:39 | amiconn | Well, it will work but the tag(s) will be displayed literal |
| 19:49:22 | RedBreva | Personally I think the WPS display code should ignore non-recognised tags ;-) |
| 19:49:41 | sharpe | what happens on an unrecognized code now? |
| 19:49:44 | sharpe | e,r tag. |
| 19:49:58 | amiconn | [19:47:58] <amiconn> Well, it will work but the tag(s) will be displayed literal |
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| 19:50:46 | RedBreva | But even so, once I am happy that the code is sound, changing to platform names rather than resolution shouldn' be too much work... I wold just rather 'finish' version 1, before starting version '2' :D |
| 19:50:49 | sharpe | how can i miss that? |
| 19:51:01 | RedBreva | wold!! would even |
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| 19:54:16 | sharpe | since when was i recording video from my tv tuner in 480x480 ? |
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| 19:57:21 | amiconn | Runtime at backlight brightness = 2: 16:21 |
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| 19:57:56 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What was the runtime with brightness 9? |
| 19:58:29 | amiconn | Didn't measure brightness = 9, but brightness = 8. Runtime 11:57 |
| 19:58:45 | lou | :o |
| 19:58:48 | Genre9mp3 | wow... |
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| 19:59:22 | Genre9mp3 | Unfortunately brightness set to 2 is not enough |
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| 19:59:38 | amiconn | I expect a small amount of current draw to be caused by the lcd controller itself, which in turn causes the observed nonlinearity of brightness vs. current draw |
| 19:59:40 | Genre9mp3 | I prefer it to 5 or 6 |
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| 20:00:01 | amiconn | In fact the curve may be perfectly linear when subtracting the constant current caused by the lcd |
| 20:00:20 | amiconn | I'll make a special build which doesn't shut off the lcd when turning off backlight |
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| 20:33:22 | freqmod | Does anyone know why a codec that works in the simulator produses (much) background noise on an iPod? |
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| 20:34:19 | freqmod | except that problem (and a little speed problem) i have made an speex(mono) decoder for ipod/rockbox |
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| 20:37:40 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: How little is the speed problem? (nice work by the way) |
| 20:37:54 | freqmod | works when playing with 50% pitch |
| 20:38:06 | linuxstb_ | Is it using floats? |
| 20:38:08 | freqmod | (should then work with dual core) |
| 20:38:18 | freqmod | no, ints, but no arm assembly |
| 20:38:45 | freqmod | and a few float functions i.e. log |
| 20:38:51 | linuxstb_ | 50% speed is reasonable for a first (non-optimised) port. |
| 20:39:13 | freqmod | yea, if it wold work without all that noise :( |
| 20:39:37 | * | freqmod dosn't like differences between the simulator and the real things |
| 20:39:43 | * | amiconn remembers the first days of libmad on coldfire |
| 20:39:50 | linuxstb_ | My first guess would be an endian problem - what CPU are you running the simulator on? |
| 20:40:01 | freqmod | amd64 |
| 20:40:19 | linuxstb_ | Ah, that's a significant difference. |
| 20:40:28 | freqmod | but i hear the sound in the background... |
| 20:40:52 | linuxstb_ | What types are you using? int or long? |
| 20:41:12 | freqmod | mostly short... |
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| 20:42:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: doesn't look like endianess then |
| 20:42:40 | linuxstb_ | Nope. freqmod: Have you tried writing the decoded data to a WAV file and playing that on your PC? |
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| 20:42:49 | freqmod | no |
| 20:43:08 | freqmod | i just managed it to work 15 min ago |
| 20:43:16 | amiconn | Could be either a datasize/overflow problem (some intermediates might use the full 64 bit), or structure packing, or bitfield handling differences |
| 20:43:17 | linuxstb_ | It could also be the way you are initialising the codec (sampledepth etc) causing something bad. |
| 20:44:37 | * | freqmod makes a package of the code |
| 20:45:40 | linuxstb_ | BTW, what Ogg parser are you using? |
| 20:45:56 | freqmod | libogg, tremor's didn't work |
| 20:46:06 | amiconn | Hmm, may also be signed vs. unsigned char - iirc we already had that once... |
| 20:46:22 | linuxstb_ | Yep, forgot that one... |
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| 20:52:11 | freqmod | Rockbox (speex) source: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rocboxspeex.tar.tar.bz2 , may need to edit apps/codecs/Makefile to fix libm.a / libspeex build |
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| 20:53:30 | linuxstb_ | 13MB? |
| 20:53:40 | amiconn | RedBreva: The player lcd is charcell 11x2, not 11x1 |
| 20:53:51 | freqmod | yes, it seems like i have got som .a files lying in it |
| 20:53:56 | amiconn | Also, the bit depth is 1 (monochrome). 0 isn't possible |
| 20:56:17 | * | freqmod is making a smaller one for those with slow connections |
| 20:57:12 | RedBreva | amiconn: Thanks for that, corrected the page, but that has shown up another bug.. it now tries to display an empty table!! Will look into that after the football finishes (or perhaps half time) ;-) |
| 20:57:29 | freqmod | http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rockboxspeex.tar.bz2 (8,2M) |
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| 20:59:47 | freqmod | please note that only _mono_ speex files works (yet!) |
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| 21:02:22 | juxtap | (totally off topic: anyone know how i can burn an xvid file to dvd so it's playable on a standalone player?) |
| 21:03:55 | lou | convert to (s)vcd with nero? |
| 21:04:42 | lou | or in case your dvd player supports xvid ... well just burn the file onto a cdrom and it will play automatically |
| 21:04:48 | juxtap | i did that. |
| 21:05:05 | juxtap | nero said "sorry you compilation cannot be burned on this type of disc" |
| 21:05:07 | juxtap | *your |
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| 21:05:35 | freqmod | juxtap:i think nero expects (s)vcd compatible mpeg1 files |
| 21:05:38 | lou | no idea |
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| 21:06:02 | juxtap | yeah probably |
| 21:06:12 | juxtap | i only got dvd-rs heh |
| 21:06:55 | dionoea | hi |
| 21:07:06 | freqmod | if your (standalone) player supports DIVX/XVID it is most likely that you shuld just put the (avi) file in the root of the filesystem. |
| 21:07:27 | freqmod | have your tried to search the net? |
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| 21:10:05 | juxtap | yeah |
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| 21:13:35 | amiconn | brb |
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| 21:16:31 | freqmod | the sound is really similar to the ipod when CLIP_MAX & MIN is set: (short *)((1 << 16) - 1) |
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| 21:43:17 | linuxstb_ | juxtap: Try www.videohelp.com |
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| 21:48:15 | * | ender` yawns |
| 21:56:37 | * | sharpe is bored. |
| 21:58:07 | * | scorche stabs sharpe |
| 21:58:10 | scorche | better? |
| 21:58:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have the same response to "is bored" responses as I have had for weeks. |
| 21:58:29 | ender` | <- not bored, just yawning all the time |
| 21:59:04 | sharpe | heh. |
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| 21:59:51 | Mikachu | sharpe: http://video.fosfor.se/next-country-to-invade |
| 21:59:54 | * | sharpe just doesn't have anything to do. |
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| 22:01:33 | sharpe | heheh.... |
| 22:01:47 | juxtap | www.20q.net |
| 22:01:57 | juxtap | www.chessanytime.com |
| 22:02:01 | juxtap | HEH |
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| 22:05:36 | Mikachu | haha, it always gets rope |
| 22:06:59 | pixelma | Mikachu: Australians should be scared |
| 22:07:34 | dionoea | is that the fake cnn movie ? |
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| 22:33:45 | petur | amiconn? |
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| 22:41:14 | sharpe | amiconn appears to not be here right now, please leave a message after the line-feed character. |
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| 22:44:18 | petur | *beeeep* |
| 22:44:28 | amiconn | beep beep |
| 22:44:37 | petur | hey! |
| 22:45:05 | petur | amiconn: do you still have plans to auto-boost in the ATA driver? |
| 22:45:41 | amiconn | yes :/ |
| 22:46:08 | petur | time-frame? |
| 22:47:52 | amiconn | blargh |
| 22:48:06 | * | amiconn is like #rockbox. amiconn won't estimate time frames |
| 22:49:00 | petur | np |
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| 23:31:05 | bleaked | so i've been using rockbox with quite a bit of success on my ipod nano for a few months now.. |
| 23:31:41 | bleaked | i notice that the apple firware is still on the device −− and for the longest time, i liked to have the option.. |
| 23:32:01 | bleaked | but in the last two months, i have not used it once..i see no point, it sucks. |
| 23:32:49 | bleaked | so is it advisable and/or possible to remove it? the idea would be to increase space on the device, but is it even worth it? |
| 23:33:10 | Mikachu | you can remove it, but it wouldn't give you any more space |
| 23:34:12 | hardeep | amiconn mentioned that it does improve startup performance though |
| 23:34:31 | bleaked | Mikachu: is that purely because it's on a separate partition? |
| 23:34:34 | Mikachu | yes |
| 23:34:50 | Mikachu | bleaked: have you not noticed very poor transfer speeds when not using the apple firmware? |
| 23:35:20 | bleaked | like transfering to the device? |
| 23:35:24 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 23:35:53 | bleaked | idk, i just use konqueror, and it reports about 5-7 MB/sec |
| 23:35:56 | bleaked | so i don't think so |
| 23:35:59 | Mikachu | on my nano and some others', using the apple firmware is a lot faster than the emergency one |
| 23:36:07 | Mikachu | okay |
| 23:36:13 | Mikachu | maybe they fixed it |
| 23:36:51 | Mikachu | if you are feeling like experimenting, you can create a third partition and shrink the boot partition |
| 23:36:55 | Mikachu | that will give you about 60MB |
| 23:37:09 | Mikachu | you don't have to remove teh apple firmware to do that |
| 23:37:14 | bleaked | nice, that's about an extra album or sometimes two |
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| 23:37:30 | Mikachu | you'll also need to enable multivolume in firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h |
| 23:37:35 | bleaked | well, what would be teh ideal nano rockbox setup then.. |
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| 23:37:51 | bleaked | i don't intend on using the apple firmware |
| 23:37:55 | bleaked | since most of my music is ogg |
| 23:37:58 | Mikachu | then the extra partition will show up as <HD1> in your file browser |
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| 23:38:25 | Mikachu | well, removing the apple firmware will only give you boot speed, i don't think it's large enough to let you shrink the boot partition another block |
| 23:39:12 | bleaked | alright.. well, what exactly do i do..i'm sort of lost at what to do what with what.. |
| 23:39:21 | bleaked | sorry.. |
| 23:39:53 | Mikachu | do you know how to compile rockbox? |
| 23:40:27 | bleaked | well, maybe not exactly |
| 23:40:35 | bleaked | i know how to compile.. |
| 23:40:45 | bleaked | if that's what you mean.. |
| 23:40:51 | Mikachu | well, set it up according to the instructions in the wiki |
| 23:41:27 | Mikachu | then edit firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h and add #define HAVE_MULTIVOLUME anywhere |
| 23:41:53 | Mikachu | then use a partition editor, like fdisk, to shrink the boot partition from 10 blocks to 2 blocks, and create a third partition in blocks 3-10 |
| 23:42:02 | Mikachu | and mkdosfs -F 32 it |
| 23:42:06 | Mikachu | that should be it |
| 23:42:12 | Mikachu | you may want to save that in a file for later |
| 23:43:09 | linuxstb_ | If you don't install the Apple firmware (use a 512-byte dummy file instead of apple_os.bin when creating rockboot.bin), then you should be able to shrink the boot partition even more. I don't know how Apple's bootloader would react though. |
| 23:43:24 | Mikachu | to only one block? yeah that might work |
| 23:43:42 | Mikachu | i haven't checked how big my boot partition is, i just hoped 2 would be big enough :) |
| 23:44:05 | Mikachu | bleaked: and no warranties etc |
| 23:44:13 | bleaked | of course |
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| 23:44:58 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: I wouldn't create a third partition - just shrink the boot partition, and create a new (larger) FAT32 partition. |
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| 23:45:24 | Mikachu | if you do that, you probably don't want to ever boot apple firmware |
| 23:47:06 | bleaked | well, honestly, i don't ever intend to.. like i said, 90% of my music is ogg, and i am an album listener and frankly, gaps just don't cut it for me.. |
| 23:47:13 | bleaked | so rockbox is it for me. :D |
| 23:47:48 | Mikachu | if you do recreate the fat partition you obviously have to copy all your music from it first |
| 23:47:49 | bleaked | i'm excited for tagcache to take off more |
| 23:48:08 | bleaked | yes, done. |
| 23:48:19 | Mikachu | since i do boot apple firmware i don't want to accidentally destroy my whole partition, just the small third one |
| 23:48:32 | Mikachu | also, if you do just the one big one, you don't need to recompile or anything |
| 23:48:57 | bleaked | ah nice. |
| 23:49:15 | bleaked | yea, here's a nice tip to pass along.. |
| 23:49:40 | Mikachu | but still make sure you give -F 32 when you mkdosfs it |
| 23:49:48 | bleaked | as you know, in the current stage of tagcache, it does not update the db when you remove music |
| 23:51:04 | bleaked | if you're using at least amarok 1.4, it has flash device support (along w/ full ipod support :D).. |
| 23:51:15 | bleaked | and so it's annoying that the db is not updated |
| 23:51:37 | bleaked | but for a temporary fix, you can set up pre-connect, and post-disconnect commands |
| 23:51:49 | bleaked | and i've setup one to delete all of the appropriate db files |
| 23:51:56 | bleaked | idk, it's dirty, but works for now. |
| 23:52:22 | bleaked | (though, as of this week, i've just given up on tagcache since it drains the battery so much) |
| 23:53:02 | bleaked | idk, maybe someone will find that tip useful..if not.. whateva. |
| 23:53:28 | bleaked | Mikachu: thank you so much for the info |
| 23:53:44 | bleaked | linuxstb_: you too :D |
| 23:53:50 | Mikachu | sorry for not thinking and trying to do it the most possibly complicated way |
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| 23:54:20 | Mikachu | hm, should that be "possible"? |
| 23:54:50 | Mikachu | maybe "most complicated way possible"? |
| 23:55:33 | scorche | last one ;) |
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