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| 00:07:34 | juxtap | argh how do i exit the "photo viewer" with ipod 5g |
| 00:07:49 | juxtap | oh, nevermind |
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| 00:17:18 | bleaked | hey guys, sorry if you said anything to me.. we had a power outage |
| 00:17:26 | bleaked | and then my router was being a jerk.. |
| 00:17:27 | bleaked | eh.. |
| 00:18:06 | freqmod | bleaked: no, it's quiet here... |
| 00:18:25 | freqmod | and you could check the logs |
| 00:18:26 | bleaked | so just to get this straight, i shrink /dev/sda1, and make /dev/sda2 larger |
| 00:18:40 | bleaked | freqmod: does irssi log by default? |
| 00:18:51 | freqmod | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 00:18:58 | bleaked | oh..right on.. |
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| 00:23:55 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: Yes - just make sure you don't change the type of the first partition (it's type 0) |
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| 00:25:51 | bleaked | linuxstb_: by shrinking it, would i have to reformat it, and reinstall rockbox, bootloader, etc? |
| 00:25:55 | bleaked | or.. |
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| 00:29:40 | linuxstb_ | Yes - that's the easiest way. You might be able to do it without reformatting (using something like GNU parted), but I wouldn't bother with a Nano. |
| 00:31:11 | Mikachu | the bootloader should stay intact |
| 00:32:00 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but bleaked wants to reinstall without apple_os.bin |
| 00:32:07 | Mikachu | ah right |
| 00:32:07 | linuxstb_ | (I think...) |
| 00:33:51 | bleaked | yes, that's right. |
| 00:33:54 | juxtap | how do i apply a patch? |
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| 00:36:41 | freqmod | juxtap:do you have installed a build environment |
| 00:36:45 | freqmod | ? |
| 00:37:45 | freqmod | juxtap:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
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| 00:37:46 | juxtap | no? |
| 00:37:52 | juxtap | you mean like cygwin or something? |
| 00:37:56 | juxtap | i looked there... |
| 00:38:32 | bleaked | linuxstb_: so i'm deleted all of my partitions and creating them from scratch. what size should i make the first partition? |
| 00:38:33 | juxtap | i just wanna download a patch and put it in a directory |
| 00:38:37 | juxtap | what more do i need to do? |
| 00:38:44 | freqmod | patches are applied against the source code, you'll have to install and configure a build enviroment (with cross-compiler etc.) and compile your own source code |
| 00:38:55 | freqmod | which patch do you want to apply? |
| 00:39:02 | juxtap | oh, right |
| 00:39:19 | freqmod | juxtap: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 00:39:25 | juxtap | WPS patches... album art + scrolling margins |
| 00:39:34 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: As small as you can. 1MB should be enough. |
| 00:39:55 | linuxstb_ | (I don't know what limits there are) |
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| 00:41:57 | bleaked | linuxstb_: so am i to create an empty DOS partition..or how i do i properly create the first partition w/ fdisk? |
| 00:42:05 | Mikachu | create it, then set the type to 0 |
| 00:42:14 | Mikachu | but don't change the type until after you create the second partition |
| 00:42:52 | bleaked | Mikachu: ok |
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| 00:45:01 | bleaked | alright.. the 2nd partition obviously needs fat32 formatting, but does the first? |
| 00:46:17 | bleaked | wait, no i dont. |
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| 00:48:29 | bleaked | so i'm reading the install docs, and i see that one has to combine the bootloader w/ the apple firmware..but that's not the case for what i'm doing..and i know linuxstb_ mentioned something about a dummy file.. |
| 00:48:49 | bleaked | so basically what i'm asking is how do i install the bootloader if i don't have apple firmware.. |
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| 00:49:29 | linuxstb_ | Do "dd if=/dev/zero count=1 of=dummy.bin" and then create rockboot.bin using dummy.bin instead of apple_os.bin |
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| 00:50:54 | bleaked | linuxstb_: ok, makes sense, thanks. |
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| 01:04:49 | bleaked | linuxstb_: hrm, rockbox won't boot. |
| 01:04:55 | bleaked | everything seemed to go ok. |
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| 01:06:46 | linuxstb_ | What happens? |
| 01:07:19 | bleaked | a little folder is displayed, with a url to apple support |
| 01:07:37 | bleaked | i think i might have done something wrong..my system detects both partitions |
| 01:07:39 | linuxstb_ | That means the Apple bootloader doesn't like the disk layout. |
| 01:08:02 | linuxstb_ | You probably forgot to set the type of the first partition to 0 |
| 01:08:06 | bleaked | but isn't that what the rockbox bootloader is for? |
| 01:08:15 | bleaked | i set it to type 0 though |
| 01:08:22 | bleaked | i just looked at it in fdisk |
| 01:08:41 | bleaked | /dev/sda1 1 1 8001 0 Empty |
| 01:09:07 | linuxstb_ | When the ipod is powered on, the part of the Apple firmware in ROM is run, that then loads the main firmware from the first partition. |
| 01:09:26 | bleaked | ok.. |
| 01:10:51 | linuxstb_ | What command did you use to create the rockboot.bin? |
| 01:11:21 | bleaked | ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i dummy.bin bootloader-nano.bin |
| 01:11:37 | bleaked | no errors, proper output |
| 01:11:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait |
| 01:12:02 | * | linuxstb_ waits |
| 01:12:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nevermind |
| 01:12:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm a wee bit out of it today |
| 01:12:25 | * | linuxstb_ stops waiting |
| 01:12:56 | bleaked | perhaps the partition size is too small? |
| 01:13:14 | linuxstb_ | I don't have my ipod with me, but I think the first partition is normally marked bootable as well. |
| 01:13:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wasn't there supposed to be -l instead of -i at some point? |
| 01:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're using the dummy.bin method instead of using apple_os.bin? |
| 01:13:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, lowercase l |
| 01:13:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | L |
| 01:13:50 | * | bleaked followed the standard instructions.. |
| 01:13:53 | bleaked | so perhaps? |
| 01:13:57 | mongey | was reading some logs fromtoday |
| 01:13:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but you're not using apple_os.bin |
| 01:14:03 | mongey | about the h300 lcd remote |
| 01:14:03 | linuxstb_ | I think you're right. I forget my own instructions.... |
| 01:14:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try it with -l (lowercase l) for that step, instead of i |
| 01:14:21 | bleaked | ok |
| 01:14:36 | mongey | just a tempory suggestion, is that it be an option instead of auto detect |
| 01:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's the difference between auto-detect and manual? |
| 01:15:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | If the auto-detect works, it should be exactly the same as a user selecting one from a list, right? |
| 01:16:43 | smably | (hi) |
| 01:16:56 | smably | so i figured out a way to do it |
| 01:17:08 | smably | and then i found a patch that does basically the same thing |
| 01:17:14 | smably | only it's somewhat broken |
| 01:17:18 | mongey | :o |
| 01:17:19 | smably | so i am fixing it, and then i'll submit it |
| 01:17:24 | mongey | nice |
| 01:17:34 | bleaked | yikes.. |
| 01:17:43 | bleaked | now it's rebooting over and over |
| 01:17:53 | bleaked | and flashing, "Rockbox error: -1" |
| 01:17:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 01:18:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, boot into disk mode |
| 01:18:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | And copy over the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder |
| 01:18:14 | smably | (broken in that it gets some buttons right, but not others) |
| 01:18:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or extract a rockbox.zip onto tit, or whatever your preferred method is |
| 01:18:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The bootloader worked. |
| 01:19:04 | smably | Paul_The_Nerd: something on your mind? :P |
| 01:20:29 | smably | (re-read your second last message if you don't get it) |
| 01:20:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 01:20:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 01:22:56 | mongey | lol |
| 01:23:02 | bleaked | hrm.. |
| 01:23:09 | bleaked | not working. |
| 01:23:17 | * | mongey lives near intel |
| 01:23:35 | * | mongey is off to spray a Amd logo onto it |
| 01:23:36 | * | Paul_The_Nerd lives near Apple and IBM campuses. |
| 01:23:38 | mongey | brb |
| 01:23:48 | bleaked | it seems to function until i copy the rockbox files onto it.. |
| 01:23:53 | * | smably lives near RIM |
| 01:23:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | And then? |
| 01:24:00 | bleaked | i noticed i had to do it as root..so could there be a permissions issue? |
| 01:24:10 | dj-fu | nope |
| 01:24:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once the bootloader is giving -1 messages, that just means "I can't see rockbox.ipod in the first primary fat32 partition on your device" |
| 01:24:41 | dj-fu | ;] |
| 01:25:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looks for it in the root of said partition, then in the /.rockbox/ folder on that partition |
| 01:25:16 | * | bleaked starts over |
| 01:25:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: You don't need to start over |
| 01:25:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just tell us what it's saying after you extract rockbox.zip onto your ipod |
| 01:25:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Doesn't work" is vague |
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| 01:28:44 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd: sorry, it goes back to displaying the url for apple support |
| 01:31:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wait, so simply copying rockbox.ipod over (just a normal file copy) without doing *anything* else after the bootloader is doing the -1 thing causes that? |
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| 01:33:21 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd: i started over (sorry, it only takes a minute). i have two partitions, the first is 1 mb, the second is the remainder of the disk. |
| 01:33:48 | bleaked | i made the first one type 0, and dd'd over the rockboot.bin |
| 01:33:48 | Ish_nitti | quick q, is there anyway to listen to my music while my ipod video is charging? |
| 01:34:17 | Ish_nitti | whenever rockbox detects the usb is plugged in, it wants to reboot into the original firmware for itunes to connect |
| 01:34:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: Hold Menu while you plug in the cable |
| 01:34:54 | Ish_nitti | seriously? |
| 01:34:58 | linuxstb_ | Ish_nitti: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:35:01 | Ish_nitti | is this in the manual? |
| 01:35:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ish_nitti: I believe so |
| 01:35:07 | Ish_nitti | doh. |
| 01:35:09 | Ish_nitti | i apologize |
| 01:35:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's definitely in the FAQ |
| 01:35:14 | mongey | smably: will u have it fixed tonight? |
| 01:35:16 | Ish_nitti | btw, hows it going paul :) |
| 01:35:22 | bleaked | anyway, the second one is formatted via -F 32 option |
| 01:35:54 | bleaked | i've copied the rockbox files over to the 2nd partition |
| 01:36:16 | bleaked | plugging the cable in at any point properly boots it into disk mode |
| 01:36:17 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: You seem to have gone backwards... You managed to get the Rockbox bootloader running, but now it doesn't? |
| 01:36:34 | bleaked | w/out the cable, i get the apple support url |
| 01:37:32 | bleaked | linuxstb_: yea, it's quite odd. |
| 01:37:38 | smably | mongey: hopefully (i'm working on it right now, and if all goes smoothly, it's pretty likely i can finish it tonight) |
| 01:37:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: But if you remove rockbox.ipod, it goes back to giving the -1 error? |
| 01:38:04 | * | bleaked removes rockbox.ipod |
| 01:38:21 | mongey | lol |
| 01:38:43 | mongey | i didnt know iriver acknowledged rockbox |
| 01:39:53 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd: no, it goes straight to the support url |
| 01:40:09 | mongey | http://www.iriver.eu.com/rma_warranty.html |
| 01:40:12 | mongey | look at b |
| 01:40:40 | smably | interesting! |
| 01:40:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: But you said you've now tried reinstalling the bootloader again. I'm *hoping* you didn't redo the ipodpatcher -r step |
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| 01:41:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | "or altered by third parties e.g. Rockbox," |
| 01:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 01:41:23 | smably | yeah, i was going to say something about that |
| 01:41:28 | bleaked | ipodpatcher..? |
| 01:41:32 | bleaked | i never did that step. |
| 01:41:40 | linuxstb_ | unless authorized in writing by iriver... |
| 01:41:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you think iriver will ever authorize in writing the installation of Rockbox? |
| 01:42:00 | bleaked | in fact, i don't even see that in the directions.. |
| 01:42:03 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: ipodpatcher is the windows version of dd. |
| 01:42:05 | bleaked | what is ipodpatcher? |
| 01:42:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: Sorry, dd if=/dev/sda |
| 01:42:09 | bleaked | ahh. |
| 01:42:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: Was thinking of the windows installation instructions. |
| 01:42:21 | smably | well, iriveramerica did recommend it to someone, i think |
| 01:42:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: The key was "I hope you didn't re-extracted the boot partition" |
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| 01:42:43 | bleaked | no, that's all blown away |
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| 01:43:07 | bleaked | the point of this project is to remove any trance of apple firware to provide a little more storage space, and potentially qucker boot time. |
| 01:43:17 | bleaked | *trace |
| 01:43:23 | bleaked | trance |
| 01:43:25 | bleaked | all the same |
| 01:43:40 | linuxstb_ | Try writing rockboot.bin again - and make sure you wait until the disk icon disappears from the Nano's LCD. |
| 01:43:54 | linuxstb_ | (I mean the spinning disk in top-left corner) |
| 01:45:29 | mongey | ... |
| 01:46:32 | bleaked | whoohoo |
| 01:46:36 | bleaked | alright back in rockbox. |
| 01:46:40 | bleaked | i think i know what i did |
| 01:47:22 | bleaked | after i copied over the bootloader, i was manually ejecting /dev/sda |
| 01:47:37 | bleaked | and every time i would do that, i would get the apple support url. |
| 01:47:57 | bleaked | but just yanking the cord after the dd copy, and it booted rockbox |
| 01:48:01 | bleaked | *shrug* |
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| 01:48:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you got the apple support URL |
| 01:48:27 | bleaked | thank you guys so much for your generous, patient, and abundant help :D |
| 01:48:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | And didn't try forcing a reboot. |
| 01:48:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 01:48:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Nano frequently gets the support URL after being ejected, for some reason |
| 01:48:41 | bleaked | no, i tried forcing it several times |
| 01:48:44 | bleaked | w/ no luck. |
| 01:48:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Holding Menu+Select until it restarted didn't work? |
| 01:49:12 | bleaked | it rebooted, but right back into the support url |
| 01:49:48 | linuxstb_ | So just for the record, how big is your first partition now? |
| 01:49:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | odd |
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| 01:49:58 | bleaked | linuxstb_: 1mb |
| 01:50:12 | linuxstb_ | Could you have made it smaller? |
| 01:50:26 | bleaked | not sure, that's what you suggested. |
| 01:50:50 | linuxstb_ | It just needs to be as big as rockboot.bin - but I don't know if there are any restrictions. |
| 01:51:30 | bleaked | yea.. idk.. i can spare 1mb, versus the 40-80 that were being stolen before |
| 01:51:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking, we could have a plugin (like the flash plugin for archoses) that moves rockbox.ipod into the firmware partition (for people who don't care about apple_os) so that the bootloader doesn't need to run, and the boot time can be even that little bit faster. |
| 01:52:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | As a future thing. |
| 01:52:41 | linuxstb_ | Why not just write a flash plugin :) |
| 01:52:42 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd: is that possible to manually do now? |
| 01:52:52 | linuxstb_ | (someone send Slasheri an ipod..) |
| 01:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 01:54:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | bleaked: I honestly don't know. I mean yeah, it's possible right now, but I don't know what would need to be done to do it. |
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| 01:55:07 | bleaked | Paul_The_Nerd: fair enough.. |
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| 01:55:45 | linuxstb_ | bleaked: No, you would have to change the Rockbox bootloader. Or maybe you could just write Rockbox to the firmware partition instead of the bootloader... |
| 01:56:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: That was my suggestion, writing rockbox to the firmware partition instead of the loader, that he asked about. :-P |
| 01:56:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just not sure if there's any code in the bootloader that must be run before rockbox is loaded. |
| 01:56:54 | bleaked | well, either way, boot time definitely improved. i tend to be very anally perceptive on these things too.. |
| 01:57:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a noticeable improvement, yes. |
| 01:57:15 | linuxstb_ | No, I think it's just a matter of creating a correct firmware partition image - which ipod_fw can't do as it is today. |
| 01:57:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
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| 01:57:56 | bleaked | so question.. |
| 01:58:25 | bleaked | when one goes into the menu, the first entry is Recent Bookmarks.. |
| 01:58:32 | bleaked | what is that for exactly? |
| 01:58:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think you're in the context menu. |
| 01:58:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Holding select? |
| 01:58:56 | bleaked | and could the playlist options be moved to that location.. |
| 01:59:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or is that the main menu |
| 01:59:14 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had a rockbox here. |
| 01:59:15 | bleaked | main menu |
| 01:59:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's no reason why you couldn't reorganize the menus. |
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| 02:00:14 | bleaked | i just think it would be a better UI change.. i would love to quick toggle over to my current playlist, view/change it, then move on. |
| 02:00:30 | linuxstb_ | Goodnight all, time for bed. |
| 02:00:33 | bleaked | instead i have several tedious steps just to see what the next few songs are.. |
| 02:00:55 | linuxstb_ | Isn't that in the context menu in the WPS? |
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| 02:02:14 | bleaked | linuxstb: argh, i suppose you're right. |
| 02:02:16 | bleaked | my bad. |
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| 02:22:27 | pjladdlife | Hey |
| 02:23:07 | pjladdlife | REGISTER hola |
| 02:23:58 | pjladdlife | Can somebody help me on a problm im having with rockbox on a mini 2g? |
| 02:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on the problem. |
| 02:24:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | What's up? |
| 02:24:21 | pjladdlife | Ok. cool |
| 02:24:30 | pjladdlife | my music have lags... |
| 02:24:47 | pjladdlife | i read the cpu frequency things... |
| 02:25:18 | pjladdlife | But you know, i dont want to mess my cpu :) |
| 02:25:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | The CPU frequency automatically adjusts anyway |
| 02:25:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | What format is your music in? |
| 02:25:47 | pjladdlife | Mp3 192 kbps always |
| 02:25:58 | pjladdlife | stereo or joint, sometimes vbr |
| 02:26:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you tried using an WPS without a peakmeter? |
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| 02:26:17 | pjladdlife | i see Frequency and boost_counter here |
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| 02:26:49 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what that has to do with his question. |
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| 02:27:30 | jags | hello |
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| 02:27:52 | pjladdlife | Is just that on the rockbox forum someguy says that putting 75 mhz should work fine |
| 02:28:14 | pjladdlife | Hey |
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| 02:28:59 | pjladdlife | And i dont know if follow that configuration is safe |
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| 02:29:26 | pjladdlife | `Cause i really dont want to mess my mini |
| 02:29:29 | smably | that shouldn't be necessary, since rockbox should boost the cpu automatically |
| 02:29:42 | pjladdlife | oh really? |
| 02:29:42 | smably | try what paul suggested |
| 02:29:46 | pjladdlife | cool |
| 02:29:56 | pjladdlife | Thw wps thing? ....ok, i will try! |
| 02:30:21 | smably | i don't know whether it'll work, but usually paul's right ;) |
| 02:30:36 | pjladdlife | Aja, OK ;) |
| 02:30:39 | pjladdlife | Thanks a lot |
| 02:30:48 | smably | np |
| 02:30:59 | pjladdlife | I dont know what is a wps either, but im gonna search |
| 02:31:20 | pjladdlife | cause im new in rockbox |
| 02:31:39 | smably | While Playing Screen == the screen that shows up when you're playing music |
| 02:32:01 | pjladdlife | i used to work on podz podz2 and floydz, but now i have it all! |
| 02:32:10 | pjladdlife | Ok, im gonna search now |
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| 02:33:02 | pjladdlife | Hey, rockbox kicks ass. |
| 02:33:22 | mongey|zZz | woah |
| 02:33:30 | mongey|zZz | nice call nice call |
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| 02:36:49 | pjladdlife | hahaha |
| 02:37:11 | pjladdlife | do you guys have any cool wps there for the ipod mini 2g can send it to me? |
| 02:37:42 | smably | sorry, don't have an ipod |
| 02:38:31 | pjladdlife | Ok, what type of portable do you have? |
| 02:38:57 | smably | iriver h300 |
| 02:39:16 | pjladdlife | thats cool |
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| 02:46:49 | dj-fu | I've got a nice one for a Nano |
| 02:48:42 | pjladdlife | dj-fu Dont you ever get the lags problem, music stopping? |
| 02:49:47 | dj-fu | no |
| 02:49:49 | dj-fu | never |
| 02:50:59 | smably | pjladdlife: does this happen all the time? |
| 02:52:12 | pjladdlife | Yes, alltheetime |
| 02:52:30 | pjladdlife | im listening lemonheads now at 192 kbps and it fucks up cpnstantly |
| 02:52:51 | smably | and you're using the rockbox default wps? |
| 02:53:04 | pjladdlife | Yes, the default wps |
| 02:53:19 | pjladdlife | Ive just found a simpsons wps |
| 02:53:32 | pjladdlife | im gonna put it to test... |
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| 02:56:03 | smably | here, try this: while you're playing a track, go into the debug menu, choose "view audio thread", and tell me what you see under "cpu freq" and "boost ratio" |
| 02:58:00 | pjladdlife | Iahhhhh ok |
| 02:58:02 | pjladdlife | wait please |
| 02:58:21 | smably | ok |
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| 02:59:16 | pjladdlife | cpu freq 75 mhz |
| 02:59:22 | pjladdlife | boost ratio 100% |
| 02:59:29 | pjladdlife | ;) |
| 02:59:34 | smably | ok, and what are the two bars doing? |
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| 03:00:38 | pjladdlife | the two bars are placed aproximate to 10% of the total bar and moving a little bit |
| 03:00:52 | smably | hmm, ok |
| 03:00:58 | pjladdlife | sorry my english, spanish is my main language |
| 03:01:07 | smably | no problem :) |
| 03:01:26 | smably | see, the bottom bar is supposed to fill up all the way and get gradually depleted |
| 03:01:51 | smably | if it's sitting near empty, your player is having problems buffering the audio data |
| 03:01:56 | smably | why this is, i'm not sure |
| 03:02:00 | dj-fu | the rockbox default wps has a peak-meter, doesn't it? |
| 03:02:26 | dj-fu | that's probably a bad idea |
| 03:02:33 | mongey|zZz | smably hows the remote work going? |
| 03:02:43 | pjladdlife | yes there is a peakmeter |
| 03:02:49 | smably | mongey|zZz: coming along pretty well, actually |
| 03:02:52 | pjladdlife | im gonna put a wps without a peakmeter |
| 03:02:57 | smably | got stuck for a while, but i think i get it now |
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| 03:03:10 | pjladdlife | im sure this is taking some process |
| 03:03:12 | mongey|zZz | noce |
| 03:04:09 | smably | pjladdlife: i'm guessing that that's not the issue because rockbox shouldn't have to redraw the peak meter when you're in the menus |
| 03:05:18 | Mikachu | i remember someone getting skips even in menus, but they went away when he turned the peakmeter off |
| 03:05:34 | smably | odd |
| 03:07:03 | pjladdlife | The skips are less when im in the menu |
| 03:07:16 | pjladdlife | So the peakmeter is the issue |
| 03:07:49 | smably | i doubt the peakmeter is the issue - but whatever the issue is, the peakmeter is making it worse |
| 03:09:25 | smably | unfortunately, i'm not much of a rockbox expert, so i doubt i can do much to help you from here |
| 03:09:37 | pjladdlife | Sure |
| 03:10:04 | pjladdlife | I bet if i turn the eq off, its gonna be fine |
| 03:10:15 | pjladdlife | but is not the idea, i want my rock preset |
| 03:10:26 | smably | oh, eq! |
| 03:10:31 | smably | that would probably do it |
| 03:10:32 | smably | heh |
| 03:11:01 | blooe | I'm considering adding support for the clicking sound when using the wheel on an ipod and I'm wondering if anyone else is already working on it |
| 03:11:12 | pjladdlife | Im gonna try everything before the eq,cause its so important to me |
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| 03:12:17 | smably | i'm almost positive that the eq is the problem |
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| 03:13:46 | pjladdlife | Me too |
| 03:13:49 | smably | blooe: have you checked the patch tracker? |
| 03:14:06 | pjladdlife | now |
| 03:14:20 | blooe | no - I havn't discovered that yet :) |
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| 03:15:06 | blooe | smably: cool, found the patch tracker. I'll take a look - thanks |
| 03:16:03 | smably | no problem - also, seems it's been requested: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4726 (i don't see any patches, though) |
| 03:16:06 | mongey|zZz | smably: it wont take you 6 hrs will it? |
| 03:16:13 | smably | oh, um... |
| 03:16:16 | smably | it might |
| 03:16:23 | smably | is it urgent? i'm kind of taking my time |
| 03:16:23 | preglow | d |
| 03:16:29 | mongey|zZz | no |
| 03:16:44 | mongey|zZz | actually |
| 03:16:46 | mongey|zZz | nvm |
| 03:17:04 | smably | ok - but i can probably finish it fairly soon if i focus |
| 03:17:04 | mongey|zZz | take your time :D and get it done right |
| 03:17:11 | smably | heh, ok :) |
| 03:17:29 | mongey|zZz | im just compiling my own build |
| 03:18:46 | smably | i'm hoping to have it finished by midnight my time (~2 1/2 hours), but i can't promise anything |
| 03:19:09 | mongey|zZz | kk |
| 03:19:14 | mongey|zZz | 2 am here |
| 03:21:36 | mongey|zZz | now to find the wps patches |
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| 03:32:22 | menollo | i have a question.. how can i write (or convert) a float? (lcd_putsxy is only for strings)? |
| 03:35:28 | Mikachu | sprintf |
| 03:37:37 | mongey|zZz | how do i change the logo for bootup? |
| 03:39:08 | menollo | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43216 here you can find to change logo... |
| 03:39:38 | menollo | ow sorry |
| 03:40:03 | menollo | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=459227&postcount=21 |
| 03:40:15 | menollo | this one.. but you have to recompile rockbox.. |
| 03:43:14 | mongey|zZz | i want to make the logo full screen though |
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| 03:47:43 | mongey|zZz | compiing logo cahnged |
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| 03:51:21 | pjladdlife | Hey Smably |
| 03:51:33 | pjladdlife | It was the peakmeter! |
| 03:52:06 | pjladdlife | Now, the songs play good |
| 03:52:11 | psycho_maniac | anybody around the winsconsin state want to buy a h120 ? |
| 03:52:52 | pjladdlife | Thanks a lot for your help |
| 03:53:45 | pjladdlife | Turning off the eq makes it better too |
| 03:53:58 | pjladdlife | im leaving, i have to study |
| 03:54:00 | pjladdlife | byebye |
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| 03:57:54 | mongey|zZz | hm |
| 03:58:00 | mongey|zZz | while usb charging |
| 03:58:09 | mongey|zZz | my battery decreased |
| 03:59:46 | psycho_maniac | what player you have? |
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| 04:00:02 | mongey|zZz | h340 |
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| 04:01:16 | psycho_maniac | what do you mean decreased? |
| 04:01:40 | mongey|zZz | it went flat |
| 04:01:45 | mongey|zZz | theres none left |
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| 04:14:35 | menollo | rb->snprintf(str, 15, "%f", v); outputs 'f' (v is a float..) whats wrong? |
| 04:16:27 | sharpe | blargh. |
| 04:17:10 | sharpe | try %d. |
| 04:19:38 | menollo | hmm %d outputs -1084230620 |
| 04:19:54 | sharpe | well, if it's what the float value is, then it works. :D |
| 04:20:31 | menollo | i dont think so.. but maybe i do something else wrong.. thx anyway |
| 04:20:38 | sharpe | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:21:24 | menollo | i'm trying to make a all to all converter.. for temperture.. lenght (mile, meter) etc.. |
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| 04:22:06 | Mikachu | it is possible rockbox' snprintf doesn't implement floats |
| 04:22:14 | Mikachu | in fact the function looks very short |
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| 04:22:18 | sharpe | entirely possible. |
| 04:23:26 | sharpe | you can always do something such as, rb->snprintf(str, 15, "%d.%d", (long)v, (long)((v * 100) % 100)); for two decimals of accuracy. |
| 04:24:03 | sharpe | or casting to an int would be fine too. if i remember correctly. |
| 04:24:17 | menollo | thx.. i think that will work |
| 04:24:38 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:25:50 | sharpe | which is exactly how pacbox reports fps. |
| 04:26:36 | sharpe | more or less anyway. it obviously doesn't just have '%d.%d' |
| 04:26:40 | sharpe | same concept really. |
| 04:33:40 | mongey|zZz | wat file positions the logo on boot up? |
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| 04:37:22 | sharpe | it's built into the source. |
| 04:37:25 | sharpe | so is the image. |
| 04:37:56 | sharpe | you have to recompile rockbox to change the position, image, or other thing related to that. |
| 04:38:03 | mongey|zZz | iknow |
| 04:38:06 | sharpe | okay then. |
| 04:38:11 | sharpe | glad we could get past that. |
| 04:38:13 | mongey|zZz | i have changedthe image |
| 04:38:32 | sharpe | i'd have a look in /firmware/ if i were you. |
| 04:39:12 | mongey|zZz | might have found itd |
| 04:39:15 | mongey|zZz | *it |
| 04:39:26 | mongey|zZz | apps/gui |
| 04:39:33 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:39:38 | sharpe | nope. |
| 04:39:55 | smably | whoot! |
| 04:40:04 | smably | filetree is complete |
| 04:40:11 | smably | the rest of it will be (mostly-)trivial |
| 04:40:26 | mongey|zZz | huh? |
| 04:40:45 | sharpe | chances are, it's in firmware/. not apps/. |
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| 04:41:32 | mongey|zZz | rolo? |
| 04:42:48 | mongey|zZz | gtg |
| 04:45:42 | menollo | pfff... i go sleep.. will look to it tomorrow :S |
| 04:46:02 | menollo | good night/moring/day/evening everybody :P |
| 04:47:18 | sharpe | it's sort of odd when you find sand in your wadded up bills... |
| 04:47:41 | sharpe | well, not really when you were at the beach. |
| 04:47:46 | sharpe | oh well. |
| 04:47:57 | sharpe | just trying to use it as a topic of discussion. |
| 04:48:17 | sharpe | like i am with my sand-covered ipod casing. |
| 04:49:43 | smably | heh |
| 04:49:56 | sharpe | that i have yet to clean off, by the way. |
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| 05:34:50 | * | smably is too tired to think |
| 05:35:07 | * | smably isn't going to finish the remote patch tonight, but hopes to do so tomorrow night |
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| 05:56:08 | scorche | ugh....it is hard to find replacement screws for the ajr.....i have search through all of the specialty stores around here |
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| 06:06:10 | sharpe | scorche: have you tried... a screw store? :) |
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| 06:09:58 | scorche | many |
| 06:10:23 | scorche | i think i have found one that is close to it...but it is phillips |
| 06:10:38 | scorche | torx in that size has to be special ordered from any place that i ahve tried |
| 06:12:46 | hardeep | scorche: online is probably your best bet |
| 06:13:44 | scorche | yeah |
| 06:13:56 | scorche | but will they ship me a 5 cent screw? |
| 06:15:19 | hardeep | sure, but they'll probably charge $5 shipping =) |
| 06:15:23 | sharpe | with 2.95$ shipping and handling. |
| 06:15:27 | scorche | lol |
| 06:16:09 | sharpe | have you tried, home depot? lowes home improvement? |
| 06:16:15 | scorche | yup |
| 06:16:24 | hardeep | alright, i think i finally fixed this darned bug |
| 06:16:25 | scorche | those places dont have near what i am looking for |
| 06:16:29 | sharpe | god-forbid i even ask, radioshack? |
| 06:16:31 | scorche | this is a specialty screw |
| 06:16:36 | sharpe | like how special? |
| 06:16:41 | sharpe | like, short-bus special? |
| 06:16:49 | hardeep | for anyone using voice, please try the latest cvs build, especially stopping playback |
| 06:17:34 | smably | ooh, exciting! |
| 06:18:46 | scorche | sharpe: the hardest part about the screw is that it is torx |
| 06:18:53 | sharpe | ah. |
| 06:19:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Just order like 20 of them, and be secure in knowing that if you ever lose one again, you're set. |
| 06:19:53 | hardeep | i had a tough enough time tracking down a torx screwdriver, much less screws |
| 06:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Of course, I'd just lose all 20 |
| 06:20:00 | sharpe | well, i've some torx screwdrivers, you could create a mold of a screw off of one. :D |
| 06:20:29 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i didnt lose any...one of the stock ones was a crap one and immediately stripped itself |
| 06:20:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I had difficulty finding one of those torxes with the hole in the middle, for those annoying screws with the pin. |
| 06:20:49 | scorche | those are secirity screws |
| 06:20:55 | scorche | *security |
| 06:21:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 06:21:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I went to a bunch of stores looking for a screwdriver to fit them |
| 06:21:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | All along stupidly forgetting to check Fry's Electronics. |
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| 06:23:15 | hardeep | tsk tsk, your best buys are ALWAYS at Fry's |
| 06:23:44 | sharpe | i don't have a Fry's near me. |
| 06:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | So I am told |
| 06:23:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just moved and now I'm much nearer to my Fry's |
| 06:24:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact I was there today for a case fan and a few misc other bits. |
| 06:29:52 | sharpe | ah, i'm right, the closest Fry's is in Georgia. |
| 06:30:16 | scorche | outpost.com |
| 06:30:57 | sharpe | yay |
| 06:32:18 | hardeep | linuxstb: around? |
| 06:32:33 | sharpe | if he isn't, you know what's coming. |
| 06:33:17 | scorche | godzilla? |
| 06:33:25 | sharpe | nope. |
| 06:33:38 | sharpe | the obligatory answering machine-like message. |
| 06:33:44 | hardeep | hmmm, does anyone have a "long" mp3 file that freezes when fastforwarding ? (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2394) |
| 06:34:11 | sharpe | i've an 11 minute mp3 |
| 06:34:24 | sharpe | would that be lengthy? |
| 06:34:30 | hardeep | does it freeze when fast forwarding? |
| 06:34:32 | scorche | i have ones that pass an hour |
| 06:34:36 | scorche | that dont |
| 06:34:49 | scorche | although, i dont have the latest build |
| 06:35:36 | sharpe | ooh. a twenty minute one |
| 06:36:15 | sharpe | nope, doesn't freeze. |
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| 06:39:08 | psycho_maniac | hello i am planning on selling my h120. i was wondering if anybody thinks i would be able to get 200 bucks out of it? |
| 06:44:22 | hardeep | i'd recommend checking eBay to see what they're going for nowadays |
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| 06:45:34 | psycho_maniac | yeah good idea |
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| 06:50:18 | psycho_maniac | whoops |
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| 07:00:30 | JdGordon | hardeep: the longest track i have is 25min, ill check it out for ya |
| 07:01:08 | JdGordon | no, deleted that cd :p longest i have is 15min |
| 07:02:31 | JdGordon | well it didnt freeze while ffwding, but it did take a few sec to start playing again |
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| 07:09:01 | scorche | hardeep: i just got latest build and fast forwarded all the way to the end of a 2 hour mp3 |
| 07:09:08 | scorche | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 07:09:18 | hardeep | hmmmm |
| 07:09:56 | hardeep | thanks for testing |
| 07:10:01 | scorche | np |
| 07:10:53 | sharpe | i think i'm headed to sleep, g'night everyone. |
| 07:10:58 | scorche | night |
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| 07:12:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw a _new_ H140 go for $160, so I doubt his H120 will get $200 |
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| 07:15:39 | * | smably lied about the remote patch |
| 07:15:41 | smably | i think it's done |
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| 07:29:10 | amiconn | hardeep: That's an odd fix... |
| 07:29:21 | hardeep | amiconn: how so? |
| 07:30:28 | amiconn | because it doesn't fix the actual problem, but instead adds a workaround which is noticeable by the user |
| 07:30:57 | hardeep | because playback continues a little longer? |
| 07:31:19 | amiconn | Yes |
| 07:31:47 | hardeep | yeah, i was originally trying to stop playback but the way the voice code works made it difficult |
| 07:31:50 | amiconn | It can be a lot longer though, depending how much is in the voice queue |
| 07:32:24 | hardeep | yeah, it can |
| 07:32:33 | hardeep | it's better then hanging, which was the bug |
| 07:33:21 | hardeep | i think we need to re-look at how voice is integrated into the playback code |
| 07:33:50 | amiconn | yes |
| 07:34:07 | hardeep | but i'd like to get this darned release out first... =) |
| 07:34:30 | amiconn | The voice mixing needs to be revisited. There's still the problem of non-working voice during pause, and sometimes after stopping |
| 07:35:29 | amiconn | shutup() should also flush the decoded voice (pcm) buffer |
| 07:35:53 | hardeep | yeah |
| 07:36:08 | hardeep | although, with the mixing, that may also flush track playback |
| 07:36:29 | amiconn | Then someone needs to run a test whether a real second voice codec would be better (no codec swapping, but also no iram for the voice codec) |
| 07:37:26 | amiconn | hardeep: Not necessarily. My idea was to have a secondary pcm buffer for voice, and mix really close before playback |
| 07:37:50 | amiconn | ...when playing, and using this secondary voice pcm buffer directly when stopped or paused |
| 07:38:13 | hardeep | yeah, that could work... i think it may be a little tricky with the current playback/pcm implementation though |
| 07:38:51 | hardeep | esp. the interaction of the various threads |
| 07:39:05 | amiconn | A voice flush would of course only flush the voice pcm buffer, so the small part that's already mixed in wouldn't be flushed |
| 07:39:35 | amiconn | ..but that's < 0.5 sec |
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| 08:08:10 | twisted_one | Hello everyone. |
| 08:11:59 | markun | hi twisted_one |
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| 08:16:41 | twisted_one | I was just wondering if anyone is able to give me a little bit of help with my TagCache DB not functioning correctly. |
| 08:17:24 | twisted_one | I had it working yesterday, I updated to a newer build today, after deleting .rockbox and rockbox.ipod. |
| 08:18:22 | twisted_one | When I started it up the tagcache was gone, no big deal. I tried to force and update and it scanned for about oh 5 seconds and then stopped. Rebooted to allow the stuff to commit (not sure if I needed to). Still nothing. |
| 08:18:38 | twisted_one | I changed the view to a different setting, sure enough all of the files are still there. |
| 08:19:43 | bleaked | twisted_one: yea, the tagcache is kind of funny. keep in mind it was first started in march and is still in alpha stages.. i.e., not finished. |
| 08:19:50 | twisted_one | I found the TagCache info in the debug menu, its showing 1409 entries as being in the cache. Also claiming its 100% up to date. Yet when I try and browse by ID3 tags I get nothing. |
| 08:19:54 | twisted_one | Ah |
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| 08:20:11 | markun | twisted_one: did you try to reboot again? |
| 08:20:28 | bleaked | twisted_one: for instance, it does not update itself at this point.. so you literally have to delete the db files and rescan/recommit every time you change your music. |
| 08:20:35 | twisted_one | yes. |
| 08:21:05 | twisted_one | Is there a certain file I can delete or an entire dir to try it again? |
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| 08:29:37 | Zagor | Alert: I'm upgrading the server. CGIIRC clients might get disconnected. Flyspray will be down a short bit. |
| 08:29:58 | * | B4gder buckles up |
| 08:30:10 | * | twisted_one braces for impact |
| 08:30:52 | B4gder | the forums are insanely active these days |
| 08:31:06 | twisted_one | Thats a good sign, the project is growing. |
| 08:32:08 | twisted_one | Or at the very least the userbase is. |
| 08:32:17 | B4gder | hehe |
| 08:32:32 | twisted_one | Hell I just started yesterday |
| 08:32:47 | twisted_one | I have been putting off buying an iPod for over a year now, then I found rockbox |
| 08:32:54 | twisted_one | within 12 hours I bought one =) |
| 08:33:18 | B4gder | :-) |
| 08:36:23 | Zagor | Upgrade completed |
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| 08:40:00 | Zagor_testing3 | ah, now the images work again |
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| 08:40:51 | midkay | finally! viewcvs is fixed? |
| 08:41:02 | Zagor | no, i was talking about cgiirc |
| 08:41:21 | midkay | right, but i'm talking about viewcvs.. you can now visit viewcvs pages from the frontpage, a step forward.. |
| 08:41:32 | midkay | but you still can't see newish revisions.. any idea when this will be fixed? :\ |
| 08:41:43 | Zagor | I will install viewvc instead of viewcvs as soon as I find some spare minutes lying around. |
| 08:42:13 | B4gder | Zagor: another approach is to downgrade to the one I use for curl, as I've patched that to work fine |
| 08:42:20 | midkay | cool. i miss being able to browse newer revisions. :) |
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| 08:42:25 | B4gder | and it is already on the server |
| 08:43:12 | Zagor | B4gder: that might be quicker, yes |
| 08:43:34 | B4gder | I tried patching the newer one too, but all that Python hurt my brain |
| 08:43:46 | scorche | python? |
| 08:43:49 | * | scorche perks up |
| 08:43:51 | B4gder | python |
| 08:44:32 | scorche | python! |
| 08:44:42 | Zagor | B4gder: what was it that broke it? |
| 08:44:57 | B4gder | the "commitid:" thing they've added |
| 08:45:01 | B4gder | in the raw RCS-file |
| 08:46:01 | B4gder | I'm guessing that's used to show what files that were committed in a given commit |
| 08:46:21 | B4gder | like a "poor man's atomic commit" |
| 08:49:38 | * | Zagor found a pile of minutes and goes to check out viewvc anyway. new stuff is always more fun (and prone to break, yay) :-) |
| 08:55:52 | bagawk | Zagor: I am a bit curious, why does rockbox not use svn? You guys even did some development for it right? |
| 08:56:24 | Zagor | bagawk: yes, bagder is a contributer to it. we've simply been too lazy to switch... |
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| 08:59:31 | Zagor | also recently we looked into if perhaps "git" was a better option for us (since we get huge amounts of patches) but unfortunately I never got time to even complete the test set-up... |
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| 09:00:57 | bagawk | I have played with git for a couple personal projects |
| 09:01:24 | Zagor | ...so basically it's all my fault as usual ;-) |
| 09:01:30 | bagawk | Works very well for keeping you own local revisions |
| 09:01:44 | B4gder | since git uses curl, it actually has even more of my code ;-) |
| 09:01:49 | Zagor | haha |
| 09:01:55 | bagawk | hehe |
| 09:02:09 | Zagor | your virus code spreads everywhere! when will you release the payload? |
| 09:02:18 | B4gder | soon, veeeery soon |
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| 09:09:29 | smably | new h300 remote button mapping patch uploaded: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 |
| 09:09:34 | smably | please try it out and let me know how it works |
| 09:09:38 | smably | ...and i'm off to bed |
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| 10:44:34 | juxtap | is there not a noob method for applying a patch? |
| 10:45:15 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 10:45:19 | Mikachu | yes, wait until it is included in the releases |
| 10:45:59 | juxtap | ta B4gder |
| 10:46:29 | petur | juxtap: or maybe the patch of your interest is included in one of the experimental builds made by some users in the forums |
| 10:48:18 | juxtap | yeah perhaps |
| 10:48:32 | juxtap | i'd rather compile though |
| 10:48:39 | juxtap | that guide is cool |
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| 11:00:24 | markun | linuxstb: we got the ADC of the gigabeat working and can now read the remote control values and battery voltage. The problem was a typo in the Samsung documentation.. |
| 11:01:21 | bleaked | Mikachu: hey.. remeber all that stuff we did to my nano.. well it's kind of doing something i don't think it should.. when i eject it from my system, instead of getting the checkmark indicating the device was properly disconnected, it immediately reboots and i have to quick pull the cord before the system automounts it.. why might this be? |
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| 11:13:31 | linuxstb | bleaked: Ah, yes. Apple's disk mode will reboot if it detects a write to the first 32MB of the disk, thinking the firmware has been upgraded. Now that your FAT32 partition is in that first 32MB, it will always think that... |
| 11:13:48 | linuxstb | So just don't eject it (but umount it). |
| 11:14:24 | linuxstb | markun: No excuse to not write the bootloader now then... |
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| 11:15:21 | markun | linuxstb: exams are an excuse :) |
| 11:15:45 | B4gder | let's take a vote if we can accept that as an excuse! ;-) |
| 11:16:15 | markun | wibbix told me he would start the bootloader. I gave him a patch with a few changes I did so far. |
| 11:16:53 | petur | exams end at the end of the month, no? |
| 11:17:04 | markun | I have one tomorrow :( |
| 11:17:58 | * | petur remembers having much more spare time when he was a student :/ |
| 11:21:04 | bleaked | linuxstb: so, i only have to unmount it.. seems like a bad idea? doesn't the device need to be properly ejected? (i know in the past that when i would dump songs onto the device, if i wouldn't properly eject it, the songs would not show up, even though they transferred completely. |
| 11:22:13 | B4gder | I've never used eject, only umount |
| 11:24:55 | bleaked | odd. |
| 11:25:34 | JdGordon | hardeep: incase u read the logs, i found that 25min track, had no problems ffwind through it, but it went about 3s over the end when i let it start plaaying again |
| 11:26:14 | bleaked | linuxstb: also sort of interesting, but ever since i removed the apple firmare, the device is really snappy. songs just open much quicker, boot and especially shutdown times are very quick.. just overall better performance. |
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| 11:28:00 | senab | morning ppl |
| 11:28:19 | senab | just a quicky, is there any wiki page on howto compile on linux |
| 11:28:35 | JdGordon | ye |
| 11:28:42 | senab | like instaling the crosscompiler and stuff |
| 11:28:46 | JdGordon | yup |
| 11:29:06 | senab | dya think u could give me the name of it? |
| 11:29:38 | B4gder | start here => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 11:29:50 | JdGordon | ah, next time ask the whole question :D |
| 11:30:23 | senab | cheers badger |
| 11:30:42 | senab | it just pisses me off that cygwin uses ov er 1.5gb |
| 11:31:02 | senab | so i'm switching to a small ubuntu distro |
| 11:31:05 | senab | cheers |
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| 11:35:53 | linuxstb | bleaked: I do the same as B4gder - I've just been using umount on various USB disks for years and have never had problems. |
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| 11:36:15 | B4gder | I don't see what good eject would do to a usb device |
| 11:38:42 | amiconn | B4gder: Do I remember correctly that it was you who wrote the ISD200 linux driver? |
| 11:38:47 | amiconn | Or was that Zagor? |
| 11:38:51 | B4gder | Zagor did |
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| 11:39:08 | Zagor | viewcvs is now working, albeit a bit mory ugly-looking than before |
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| 11:39:51 | amiconn | Thing is, the ISD200 driver is somewhat shaky on a current kernel, at least on amd64 |
| 11:40:27 | B4gder | 0xf00d |
| 11:40:29 | amiconn | When connecting a device it works first, but after transferring data for a while starts throwing errors |
| 11:40:41 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, it's never been fully 64bit-cleaned as far as I know |
| 11:41:12 | Zagor | I haven't touched it for years now. it belongs to the usb-storage team these days. |
| 11:41:52 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I should file a bug report then |
| 11:42:04 | amiconn | I'll do a test under 32bit as well |
| 11:42:11 | amiconn | (vmware) |
| 11:44:55 | scorche | boo for free forced advertising! http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4953.msg37719#msg37719 |
| 11:45:22 | ravon | lol |
| 11:45:52 | ravon | So tempting to write a made-up badmouthing post about the product. |
| 11:46:00 | Zagor | scorche: topic removed |
| 11:46:31 | scorche | admins triumph! |
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| 11:47:04 | Zagor | use the "notify" button on spam to bring admin attention to it |
| 11:47:29 | Zagor | umm, no i'm wrong |
| 11:47:35 | scorche | meh...the "paste in in irc" method is faster |
| 11:47:44 | ravon | :D |
| 11:47:49 | scorche | "report to moderator" ? |
| 11:47:56 | scorche | =P |
| 11:48:15 | Zagor | right, that's what it's called. I've never had to find it myself, I only get the mail :-) |
| 11:48:23 | scorche | hehe |
| 11:48:37 | scorche | plus, in the irc method, we get to laugh at them |
| 11:53:15 | markun | scorche: what was the post about? |
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| 12:21:53 | JdGordon | i did the h300usbotg internal wire mod, but its still not working, i just checked the voltage coming out of the host port and its only 3.77v, would that be why? |
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| 12:23:03 | Genre9mp3 | JdGordon: What is this internal wire mod you are saying? |
| 12:23:31 | JdGordon | to get usbotg working on us h300's |
| 12:23:42 | Genre9mp3 | oh. ok |
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| 13:00:42 | petur | JdGordon: I don't know the exact differences between US and INT versions, but I'd expect some chargepump chip to be present to pump up the voltage |
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| 13:04:56 | petur | JdGordon: and looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Missing_5_components_for_the_USB it looks like there are some components missing, but not the chargepump. Probably just some external resitors and stuff to get it going? |
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| 13:12:40 | markun | Just found out the Meizu M6 uses the same undocumented ARM CPU as the iriver E10: http://my.opera.com/inokia/archive/monthly/?month=200606&startidx=3 |
| 13:15:51 | pondlife | Quick tagcache question - what are "Example 1" and "Example 2"? I see them in the root, under "Search By Year" I take it they shouldn't be there in 3.0? |
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| 13:18:30 | freqmod | look in the tagcache config file... |
| 13:19:06 | freqmod | fp_div(xf,1000000000000) |
| 13:19:08 | freqmod | ehh |
| 13:19:14 | freqmod | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/tagnavi.config?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
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| 13:20:23 | pondlife | Aha |
| 13:20:27 | pondlife | Thanks |
| 13:21:20 | amiconn | petur: The USB charge pump is part of the ISP1362 |
| 13:21:38 | petur | ah right |
| 13:21:59 | petur | haven't looked at the datasheets in some time :/ |
| 13:22:29 | Genre9mp3 | pondlife: By editing the tagnavi.config you can create your own Custom Views in Tagcache |
| 13:23:16 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 13:29:37 | pondlife | Genre9mp3: So I see! |
| 13:30:07 | pondlife | I've only just enabled Tagcache for the first time (testing) |
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| 13:33:11 | freqmod | Anybody here that's good in C, i want to convert a float into a long with FP_BITS precision, and back. |
| 13:34:33 | B4gder | a flot to a long with precision? |
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| 13:35:13 | B4gder | you mean you want some kind of 3/29 bit or similar version of the float? |
| 13:35:20 | linuxstb | freqmod: Have you found your speex bug yet? |
| 13:35:21 | markun | freqmod: don't you just want to multiply the float by 2^FP_BITS and store it in a long? |
| 13:35:23 | freqmod | i want to implement float spx_exp(float xf) using fp_exp |
| 13:35:49 | freqmod | yes, I think so, i think the math library on the ipod has a faulty exp function |
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| 13:36:20 | freqmod | and i try to implement exp now using fp_exp, but currently is sounds nearly as bad as the original on the ipod, |
| 13:36:20 | markun | speex! Didn't even know you were working on that |
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| 13:36:47 | freqmod | however now I get the _same_ noise on the simulator (when using the exp function) |
| 13:37:12 | linuxstb | I remember preglow (or maybe someone else) mentioning the availability of fixed-point patches for speex. Do you know about those? I've no idea if they are in the SVN/CVS version of Speex yet, or if they are somewhere else. |
| 13:37:35 | freqmod | yes, i am using them, but they does not include an exp function :( |
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| 13:39:36 | freqmod | current exp function: http://pastebin.com/723101 |
| 13:39:54 | JdGordon | petur: ye, i did the mod because others have done it and it worked, so im just wondering if my player just wont do it or if i stuffed the mod |
| 13:41:45 | * | petur wonders if B4gder isn't a bit too quick to close some bug reports |
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| 13:44:25 | JdGordon | petur: just plugged the ac in and got 4.97V from the port, so looks like usbotg is useless without a full battery :'( |
| 13:44:38 | JdGordon | defeats the purpose of it almost ... |
| 13:45:25 | JdGordon | why does the h300 not let u turn it off its its being charged? |
| 13:45:57 | petur | I'd check what those missing components are (the mod was just the wire, right?) |
| 13:46:08 | freqmod | it is a _little_ better..., but it is still difference to the standard c library, maybe it helps to increase the precision |
| 13:46:16 | JdGordon | ye, the missing stuff is a cap and a resistor according to the wiki page |
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| 13:57:25 | obo | freqmod: this any help? http://www.quinapalus.com/efunc.html another fixed point exp (and ln) |
| 13:57:45 | freqmod | obo:I will try it |
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| 14:00:31 | freqmod | obo:sorry, sounded a little worse... |
| 14:02:02 | obo | no worries - it's enough for my (crude) needs anyway |
| 14:02:21 | linuxstb | I noticed the author mentions he has ARM versions of his functions available if you email him... |
| 14:02:26 | * | freqmod tries to adapt an exp function from GSL (gnu sientific library) |
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| 14:17:53 | * | freqmod didn't like that _one_ call to exp, and commented it out, and then the noise dissappeared |
| 14:18:34 | petur | hehe |
| 14:18:40 | freqmod | except that it is an exp call in nb_celp.c if st->lbr_48k is activated... don't really know how to test that |
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| 14:19:27 | menollo | is there a way to convert floats to strings?? |
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| 14:20:15 | B4gder | sprintf() |
| 14:20:33 | menollo | i've tried.. for int it work.. but not for float |
| 14:20:48 | B4gder | are you talking about rockbox code? |
| 14:20:51 | tucoz | I wonder if Paprica has fixed the star plugin for the h120. It's certainly not fixed in cvs |
| 14:20:53 | menollo | jep |
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| 14:21:00 | B4gder | menollo: then don't use floats ;-) |
| 14:21:17 | menollo | hmm.. ok :S |
| 14:21:17 | B4gder | Rockbox's sprintf() doesn't support any float flags |
| 14:21:17 | tucoz | (as he closed the bug report as 'Fixed') |
| 14:22:07 | freqmod | and then sterio started to work too :) |
| 14:22:17 | linuxstb | tucoz: I was just wondering the same... |
| 14:22:25 | freqmod | , but it is currently decoded in mono |
| 14:22:28 | menollo | i was trying to make my first plugin.. an all to all converter (for distance temperture etc etc..) but that makes it a lot diffricult |
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| 14:26:12 | Mikachu | the calc plugin shows floating numbers |
| 14:28:16 | menollo | ok thx.. i will look at it |
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| 14:33:06 | amiconn | npp |
| 14:33:39 | petur | grmbl |
| 14:34:44 | JdGordon | burp |
| 14:35:15 | Genre9mp3 | cvsq |
| 14:36:00 | XavierGr | can we just moo? |
| 14:36:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:36:58 | XavierGr | can't too |
| 14:36:59 | XavierGr | :p |
| 14:37:27 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr...play the game with this: qnbjanw ;) |
| 14:37:29 | saab_rider2 | XavierGr! you've been dethrowned! |
| 14:37:57 | XavierGr | he! |
| 14:38:15 | saab_rider2 | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=463210&postcount=29 |
| 14:38:44 | saab_rider2 | throan? how the hell do you spell it?? |
| 14:39:03 | Mikachu | throne |
| 14:39:26 | saab_rider2 | dethroned :p |
| 14:39:37 | XavierGr | he broke my record! :( |
| 14:40:03 | saab_rider2 | using a cheap battery! |
| 14:40:32 | * | petur wonders what a duel disk album is and hides just in case it means something bad |
| 14:41:01 | Mikachu | i would guess he meant dual |
| 14:41:08 | XavierGr | no matter how many times I post on MR to submit their results on the wiki they just ignore me! |
| 14:41:10 | * | petur also wonders what time he would have got without caption backlight |
| 14:41:26 | * | petur ignores XavierGr |
| 14:41:45 | XavierGr | caption light on? |
| 14:41:51 | XavierGr | I thought he said off |
| 14:41:52 | XavierGr | wow |
| 14:42:22 | saab_rider2 | :| |
| 14:42:25 | saab_rider2 | WOW! |
| 14:42:28 | XavierGr | I can't really believe this result caption backlight consumes a lot of battery |
| 14:42:33 | saab_rider2 | I didn't even notice that!! |
| 14:42:58 | saab_rider2 | could it be that a 20 GB drive uses less power by any chance? |
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| 14:44:12 | XavierGr | I don't think so |
| 14:44:19 | XavierGr | AFAIK both drives are rated the same |
| 14:44:39 | muesli|delhi | wow, 32h are nuts |
| 14:44:43 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: What about the 60GB? |
| 14:44:58 | muesli|delhi | even better than on my h120 |
| 14:46:50 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: I think it's the same too |
| 14:47:13 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr *only* able to get 30 hours ;) |
| 14:47:25 | XavierGr | yeah I am so pissed |
| 14:47:32 | XavierGr | I am going to RMA it :p |
| 14:48:04 | saa[b_r]ider | :) |
| 14:49:06 | JdGordon | does the lcd remote go through much batt? |
| 14:49:40 | XavierGr | well it should be measureable . |
| 14:50:15 | amiconn | XavierGr: The 20GB 1.8" drives do consume less power than the 40GB models |
| 14:50:28 | amiconn | Only one platter to spin instead of 2 |
| 14:50:44 | muesli|delhi | kewl..i have a 30gb drive |
| 14:50:47 | saa[b_r]ider | which makes sense, since XavierGr has a 60 GB drive |
| 14:50:57 | XavierGr | I don't remember the watt ratings |
| 14:51:22 | amiconn | Watt ratings aren't that important in this case |
| 14:51:25 | saa[b_r]ider | what would be interesting is finding out how the album art patch affects battery life |
| 14:51:28 | XavierGr | amperage? |
| 14:51:46 | amiconn | Even if the spindle motor is the same, the dual platter drives will consume more energy |
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| 14:51:53 | amiconn | ..because the spinup takes longer |
| 14:52:07 | XavierGr | so you think the difference is measureable? |
| 14:52:09 | Mikachu | which will lead to a higher "wattage" |
| 14:52:37 | amiconn | Mikachu: wattage != energy consumption |
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| 14:53:09 | FyrtioTva | Hi |
| 14:53:14 | XavierGr | really? I thought it was that way |
| 14:53:42 | amiconn | imprecise... |
| 14:54:10 | Mikachu | are you referring to apparent effect? i'm not sure that is the right english term |
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| 14:54:15 | Mikachu | Im{S} |
| 14:54:41 | Mikachu | effect = energy per second |
| 14:56:41 | Mikachu | or was that |S|? i forget :) |
| 14:57:55 | apo` | Can somebody tell me where to get unifont? I can't find it :/ |
| 14:58:28 | Mikachu | oh yeah, they call it power in english, not effect |
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| 14:58:53 | tucoz | apo`: isn't it in the fontpackage? |
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| 14:59:11 | Mikachu | real power P=Re{S}, reactive power Q=Im{S}, apparent power |S| |
| 14:59:21 | amiconn | I'm referring to energy (measured in J == Ws) vs. power (measured in W). Not sure about the english terms |
| 14:59:37 | apo` | tucoz: You mean from http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/ ? |
| 14:59:41 | tucoz | apo`: you can download the font package here in any case, http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 14:59:54 | apo` | Ah! |
| 14:59:57 | Mikachu | energy consumption would traditionally be measured per time unit, ie in watts |
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| 15:00:01 | apo` | Thanks :) |
| 15:00:11 | tucoz | apo`: no problem :) |
| 15:00:25 | apo` | *tries again* |
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| 15:00:52 | Mikachu | if the harddrive uses the spindown energy to feed back electricity to the battery, which i think it doesn't, only the reactive power would increase by adding platters |
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| 15:29:45 | amiconn | Mikachu: No, the harddrive doesn't feed back energy from the platters to the battery. However, modern harddisks use the energy from the spinning platters to perform the "emergency park" when the disk is spinning (heads unparked) and the power is cut |
| 15:30:49 | amiconn | Because this emergency park is unregulated (it simply parks as fast as it can), you'll hear a distinctive 'clack' |
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| 15:33:11 | amiconn | It's not recommended to do this very often; IBM states a lifetime of 1,000,000 normal park/unpark cycles, but only 20,000 emergency park cycles (iirc) |
| 15:33:43 | preglow | ibm drives have a life expectancy of two weeks anyway |
| 15:33:49 | amiconn | huh? |
| 15:34:05 | amiconn | I never had problems with IBM (unlike Quantum, NEC, ...) |
| 15:34:06 | Genre9mp3 | Someone with CVS access should check the latest update of this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 |
| 15:34:25 | Genre9mp3 | It makes the H300 LCD remote work like a charm! |
| 15:34:34 | Genre9mp3 | Not even a minor glitch! |
| 15:34:50 | preglow | amiconn: are you kidding? everybody had problems with ibm drives, they were crap |
| 15:34:57 | preglow | i had three of them, and all of them crashed horribly |
| 15:35:08 | Genre9mp3 | The author says that it works with the H100 LCD remote as well |
| 15:35:41 | Genre9mp3 | The only problem I found was that you are not able to start the player using a non-LCD remote...check the comments |
| 15:36:48 | Genre9mp3 | The remote bugs are due in 3.0, right? |
| 15:39:29 | petur | that's one thing I hate about rockbox crashes: the loud clack of the disk when you reset it |
| 15:40:07 | * | smably wakes up |
| 15:40:21 | Genre9mp3 | Oh smably...you are here! :) |
| 15:40:29 | Genre9mp3 | Great work with the patch... |
| 15:40:37 | Genre9mp3 | just tested it |
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| 15:42:28 | amiconn | preglow: I've used and still use numerous IBM drives. I deem them very reliable. Within one single series IBM had quality problems |
| 15:43:07 | amiconn | (3.5" SCSI, don't remember the exact name, but these were 9GB drives) |
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| 15:43:48 | amiconn | petur: The loud clack is also still present in the H300 bootloader USB mode... |
| 15:44:53 | petur | I had one scsi disk (2GB I think it was) from IBM and it crashed badly. Of three quantum scsi disks I've had one develop bad clusters and it was swapped with a new one. It turned out to be a known bug in the firmware (!) |
| 15:45:06 | preglow | amiconn: these were ide drives |
| 15:45:13 | smably | Genre9mp3: heh, just woke up ten minutes ago (thanks, glad it works) |
| 15:45:27 | preglow | amiconn: a couple of runs of drives they produced the same year they sold their hard drive business |
| 15:45:38 | preglow | small wonder they sold it, they had a HUGE return rate on the hds |
| 15:45:53 | * | petur wonders if LinusN is goint to do some more bootloader work for the h300 |
| 15:46:02 | preglow | if i had an ibm disk in my system still, i'd replace it immediately |
| 15:46:12 | * | amiconn wouldn't |
| 15:47:18 | ender` | i have many IBM disks (and some Hitachis), and they work without any problems |
| 15:47:18 | petur | i've seen ibm deskstar disks get extremely hot and fail if there wasn't a big fan blowing on it |
| 15:49:23 | ender` | 4x IC35 120GB, 1x IC35 180GB, 1x DTLA 40GB |
| 15:49:55 | ender` | Deskstars are the only drives that haven't failed on me yet |
| 15:51:20 | ender` | i've had problems with Maxtor, WD and Seagate |
| 15:52:11 | amiconn | Hehe, same here, just that I had problems with Quantum, NEC and (old) Seagate |
| 15:52:58 | ender` | i only ever had 1 Quantum drive (8GB), and i recently retired it, but only because it became too small (and i needed the bay for a larger drive) |
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| 15:54:19 | Genre9mp3 | smably: Did you read my comment? |
| 15:54:41 | ender` | with WD, i had one disk behave weirdly from the moment i got it (performance), i got it replaced. on another WD, the firmware has a known bug that it misreports the temperature and has one of the SMART fields set ti failed |
| 15:57:15 | ender` | maxtor 40GB disk developed bad sectors in 3 months after purchase, replacement started emulating floppy speeds 3 months after i got it. seagate 300GB had performance problems (max 10MB/s in reads), replacement was fine except for the 1st MB, where it didn't go beyond 300kB/s |
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| 16:05:00 | Mikachu | preglow: one of my ibm drives had the power connector break |
| 16:05:22 | preglow | god, how much data i've lost thanks to ibm |
| 16:05:24 | * | preglow curses ibm |
| 16:05:39 | smably | Genre9mp3: yep, glad to hear it's working (mostly) on the non-lcd remote |
| 16:07:21 | Mikachu | all four leads snapped |
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| 16:10:01 | Captain_America | hey does anyone have a image editor that can circular select/crop? |
| 16:10:04 | bleaked | smably: whoa, you have the best nick i've seen on irc in a looong time. :D |
| 16:10:14 | Genre9mp3 | smably: Do you think that the minor problem in the non-LCD remote is fixable? |
| 16:10:38 | Captain_America | anyone |
| 16:11:24 | tucoz | Captain_America: gimp probably has that function |
| 16:12:03 | Captain_America | i cant dl any progs |
| 16:12:08 | Genre9mp3 | smably: But even if you can't fix it (cause you don't have one) it would be cool if we could base in your approach and try to fix that as well |
| 16:12:14 | Captain_America | im on my brothers comp |
| 16:12:21 | Captain_America | im trying to make an icon |
| 16:12:24 | bleaked | Captain_America: yea, i think gimp can do that.. i just don't think there is one 'circular tool'.. you might have to draw a cirlce and cut it out via some less obvious method. |
| 16:12:37 | Mikachu | there is circular select |
| 16:12:38 | smably | bleaked: haha ;) |
| 16:12:53 | bleaked | :] |
| 16:13:15 | smably | Genre9mp3: i'm not sure, since i haven't looked at that part of the code, but i can have a look tonight |
| 16:13:27 | Genre9mp3 | smably: great |
| 16:13:41 | Captain_America | what are you guys coding |
| 16:14:04 | smably | ...and i'm off to work now |
| 16:14:05 | smably | later! |
| 16:14:29 | Genre9mp3 | I'm not using the non-LCD remote, but if that is fixed, then we will have full remote support in Rockbox! :) |
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| 16:15:57 | bleaked | Captain_America: yea, looks like gimp can do that. |
| 16:16:58 | bleaked | there's an elipse select tool |
| 16:17:11 | Mikachu | you can hold shift or something to make circles |
| 16:22:00 | PaulJam | would it be possible to have the non-lcd remote always have the same function like in the wps? i don't see a point in using the non-lcd remote for navigation in the browser or the menu. |
| 16:22:57 | petur | except when using the voice interface of course :) |
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| 16:23:40 | PaulJam | but you still have to use the main unit to leave the wps |
| 16:25:02 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: I don't see the point to navigate with the non-LCD remote |
| 16:25:16 | Genre9mp3 | , too |
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| 16:28:30 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: There are some points (if you're a remote user) (1) Voice UI (2) When you can read the main LCD, but the unit is too far away to operate the buttons |
| 16:28:48 | amiconn | The archos remote is non-lcd, and you can use it for navigation |
| 16:29:03 | amiconn | (in the archos firmware too) |
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| 16:40:46 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: so you tested this new H300 remote patch? |
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| 16:42:32 | Genre9mp4 | saa[b_r]ider: Yes I did... |
| 16:43:24 | Genre9mp4 | amiconn: Does the non-LCD remote navigate in File Browser currently in CVS? |
| 16:44:47 | Genre9mp4 | saa[b_r]ider: The H300 LCD remote works fine with the patch |
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| 16:45:33 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: so what does right and left do now? does it function like right and left on the player? |
| 16:46:47 | Genre9mp4 | saa[b_r]ider: Yes...All the functionality is as it should... read the comments here: |
| 16:46:48 | Genre9mp4 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 |
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| 16:48:17 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah I've been there after I saw your post at MR |
| 16:48:47 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: what about the +10 and -10 buttons? |
| 16:49:04 | Genre9mp4 | There wasn't only the right/left problem....but now, all the problems are fixed |
| 16:49:16 | Genre9mp4 | The +10/-10 buttons worked before |
| 16:49:36 | Genre9mp4 | (at least in the CVS) |
| 16:50:05 | saa[b_r]ider | excuse my laziness :p does it skip pages? |
| 16:50:27 | Genre9mp4 | yes...it's something like page up/down |
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| 16:54:39 | * | Genre9mp3 just checked the non-LCD remote with a CVS build |
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| 16:55:01 | Genre9mp3 | right/left DO actually navigate in menus/file browser |
| 16:55:18 | Genre9mp3 | So the only problem with the patch is that... |
| 16:55:50 | Genre9mp3 | And what has to be solved next is being able to start the player with the non-LCD remote, as well |
| 16:56:54 | saa[b_r]ider | don't care much for the non-LCD remote :) |
| 16:58:05 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: If starting the player with the non-lcd remote doesn't work, it's a hardware limitation, nothing rockbox can solve |
| 16:59:12 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: When you push play you get the "Hold on, power off..." message no matter what |
| 16:59:29 | Genre9mp3 | I thought that this is a bug...am I wrong? |
| 16:59:36 | amiconn | Then it's a problem of hold detection in the bootloader |
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| 17:00:14 | amiconn | Anyone could try to fix, but flashing a new bootloader first time w/o BDM is a bit dangerous... |
| 17:00:19 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: So the only problem with the patch is the non-LCD navigation |
| 17:01:07 | * | Genre9mp3 should comment again in the tracker |
| 17:01:48 | * | amiconn should use the tracker more often |
| 17:02:06 | amiconn | I use the tracker less than before the migration to flyspray... |
| 17:02:36 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What do you think about the patch? |
| 17:07:07 | amiconn | ugh |
| 17:07:18 | amiconn | Rather ugly approach... |
| 17:07:34 | Genre9mp3 | :( |
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| 17:10:31 | amiconn | Depending on how long the freeze will stay, we might solve the problem before 3.0, but in fact I think it's a minor problem not worth holding back 3.0 for |
| 17:11:02 | smably_ | amiconn: agree, re: ugliness |
| 17:11:13 | smably_ | can you think of a better way to do it? |
| 17:11:16 | mongey1 | WTF my battery go drained |
| 17:11:27 | amiconn | What we could do nearly instantaneous is fixing the buttons for H300, so that a H100 remote on a H100 would work correctly, and a H300 remote on a H300 would also work correctly |
| 17:12:04 | amiconn | Then a H100 remote on a H300 would have some buttons swapped, and a H300 remote on a H100 would also have some buttons swapped |
| 17:12:19 | smably_ | there are a lot of H100 remote owners on the H300 |
| 17:12:30 | smably_ | more than H300 remote owners, probably |
| 17:12:55 | amiconn | The more long-term solution (already planned) is introducing an intermediate layer that translates between buttons/button sequences and actions |
| 17:13:09 | amiconn | App layer code would then check for actions, not buttons |
| 17:13:32 | amiconn | The translator could be dynamic (irivers) or static (other targets) |
| 17:13:54 | amiconn | It would also handle things like short/long press, combos & double clicks) |
| 17:14:25 | smably_ | i suppose it would also make it really easy for users to remap the button actions |
| 17:14:38 | hardeep | i'd like to see the translator be dynamic for all targets -> user defined key bindings |
| 17:14:47 | amiconn | Advantages: Proper handling of multiple remotes, more compact app code, and better consistency |
| 17:15:12 | amiconn | hardeep: I have several strong reasons against dynamic button mapping |
| 17:15:23 | amiconn | s/dynamic/user defined/ |
| 17:15:52 | smably_ | are you thinking that it would be a support nightmare? |
| 17:15:56 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:16:29 | amiconn | Not only that, there are also hardware constraints which buttons can be used together |
| 17:16:32 | hardeep | i'm not so sure |
| 17:16:57 | hardeep | amiconn: well, that can be handled by checking the key-mappings before "compiling" them into whatever format we need them |
| 17:16:58 | amiconn | ->when remapping, some combos will stop working |
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| 17:17:49 | hardeep | basically, add an offline sanity check before letting them be loaded |
| 17:18:29 | hardeep | that could also handle conflicts, not just constraints |
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| 17:18:55 | amiconn | Now who should code that? |
| 17:19:17 | hardeep | whoever implements the feature. =) i was thinking of having a go at it if i have some time |
| 17:19:58 | amiconn | We currently have 21 targets, with 11 different keypads |
| 17:20:16 | hardeep | yup, not saying it's trivial, but it's definitely doable |
| 17:20:47 | amiconn | I say forget user-defined button mapping, for support nightmare, hardware constraints, and code complexity reasons |
| 17:21:12 | twisted_one | is there a way to delete just the TagCache? I am having issues with mine, I would like to dump it and rescan everything. |
| 17:21:13 | hardeep | well, if we have the translation layer you mentioned, the firmware code shouldn't be all that complex |
| 17:21:28 | hardeep | the offline stuff probably will be, but that's fine |
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| 17:21:44 | hardeep | twisted_one: delete /.rockbox/tagcache* |
| 17:21:44 | amiconn | It's perhaps doable, the question is whether it makes sense. Imho it does not |
| 17:21:48 | bluebrother | twisted_one, delete the *.tcd files in .rockbox |
| 17:22:13 | twisted_one | ok, thanks guys, I'll give that a go and see if that fixes this. =) |
| 17:22:18 | hardeep | amiconn: i don't like half of the current key bindings and i'm sure there's just as many people who wouldn't like my choices |
| 17:22:23 | amiconn | hardeep: A static translator will surely be more compact than a dynamic one |
| 17:22:45 | hardeep | amiconn: true, but you had already mentioned needing a dynamic one for the iriver remotes |
| 17:23:30 | amiconn | The translator method will make the ui more consistent anyway. It forces us to go though all app code and check what different button actions actually exist |
| 17:24:00 | amiconn | hardeep: Yes, but that will increase code size + memory requirements for iriver only, where it's not that much of a problem |
| 17:24:26 | amiconn | On archos, ipod, gigabeat, and iriver ifp it can be static |
| 17:24:59 | hardeep | i think it's worth seeing how much it really adds... |
| 17:25:08 | amiconn | The translator needs to be extendable even if it is static, to allow plugins to define additional actions |
| 17:25:29 | amiconn | We don't want actions in the core which are only needed by plugins |
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| 17:25:48 | hardeep | definitely not, agreed |
| 17:26:07 | amiconn | The real work is (1) identifying all button actions (2) identifying UI contexts in which these actions are valid |
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| 17:26:29 | amiconn | If we have that, implementing the translator method shouldn't be hard |
| 17:26:49 | Mikachu | one issue is that in some plugins, an action makes more sense in one place than the same action does in another plugin |
| 17:26:57 | Mikachu | where place means button |
| 17:27:21 | Mikachu | due to lack of buttons |
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| 17:29:51 | smably_ | amiconn: do you think there's any way that we will get complete remote support in 3.0 (barring the button handling rewrite, of course)? |
| 17:31:18 | smably_ | because otherwise, we should remove it from the release requirements |
| 17:31:39 | linuxstb | Does the iriver firmware support the h100 remote on the h300 and vice-versa? |
| 17:31:51 | smably_ | yes |
| 17:32:22 | smably_ | actually, i'm not sure about the H300 remote on the H100, but i'd guess so |
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| 17:34:20 | amiconn | The 'complete remote support' actually means that all screens (at least in core code) should use the multi-screen gui |
| 17:34:52 | smably_ | oh, ok |
| 17:35:00 | smably_ | so what's missing from this right now? |
| 17:36:11 | amiconn | I'm not sure... |
| 17:36:29 | amiconn | I know that the multi-screen support in the recording screen is a big ugly hack |
| 17:36:44 | amiconn | ...but I don't know which screens are still missing |
| 17:36:51 | bluebrother | IIRC I had bookmarks not working on the remote screen ... but that was some time ago. |
| 17:37:01 | * | amiconn doesn't use his remote at all except for development |
| 17:37:38 | smably_ | i've never noticed any remote display problems, except in plugins |
| 17:37:54 | bluebrother | loading a bookmark isn't shown on the remote |
| 17:37:59 | linuxstb | I'm just testing now. ID3 info isn't on the remote. |
| 17:38:17 | linuxstb | Pitch screen isn't... |
| 17:38:42 | linuxstb | Graphical EQ isn't... |
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| 17:38:59 | smably_ | is this info in the bugtracker? |
| 17:39:03 | * | amiconn wants TiMiD back :/ |
| 17:40:33 | bluebrother | context menu in the file browser also. |
| 17:40:47 | bluebrother | at least I can't get it to show. |
| 17:40:53 | linuxstb | There's a detailed report here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 |
| 17:41:11 | linuxstb | (listed as due in 3.0) |
| 17:41:15 | bluebrother | oh, context menu is working. Used the wrong button. |
| 17:41:26 | smably_ | linuxstb: thanks :) |
| 17:41:40 | linuxstb | Is the keyboard implemented on the remote yet? |
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| 17:42:56 | linuxstb | To answer my own question, no... |
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| 17:48:20 | hardeep | linuxstb: any problems with the patch you posted on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5305 ? |
| 17:48:30 | hardeep | should we get it committed? |
| 17:49:44 | smably_ | linuxstb: i'm not sure i'm convinced that we need the remote to work properly in the debug menu |
| 17:49:59 | linuxstb | smably_: I agree. But that still leaves a lot of work to do. |
| 17:50:55 | smably_ | good thing i have tons of free time :) |
| 17:51:34 | linuxstb | hardeep: I haven't been using Rockbox very much recently, so haven't been able to test it. Also, lostlogic hasn't been around to comment either. But I would be inclined to commit it and see if anyone complains... |
| 17:52:14 | hardeep | linuxstb: okay, i'll do some quick tests with and then commit |
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| 17:52:18 | preglow | !!! |
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| 17:53:20 | lostlogic | looks right to me. |
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| 17:55:53 | webguest64 | Hello... |
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| 18:11:08 | sadeness | hello! is here anybody who work on iAudio M5? |
| 18:12:36 | | Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:13:15 | sadeness | At least I looking for RB developers. :-) |
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| 18:14:30 | linuxstb | I'm one of those, but I know nothing about the different iaudios... |
| 18:14:49 | sharpe | sadeness: i'm not one of those, however i can answer some questions. |
| 18:14:53 | sharpe | :D |
| 18:16:05 | sadeness | well. i wanna RB on my iAudio M5 and I ready to work on it. How can I help the project? |
| 18:16:59 | linuxstb | Do you know how the M5 differs to the X5 supported by Rockbox? |
| 18:17:26 | sharpe | if they didn't differ at all hardware wise, wouldn't that be great? |
| 18:17:44 | linuxstb | Then it would be called an X5... |
| 18:17:54 | sadeness | not yet :-) . i know that it is monochrome. |
| 18:18:04 | sadeness | X5 has colour display. |
| 18:18:28 | linuxstb | I think the first step would be to disassemble your player and add info to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioPort |
| 18:18:32 | sharpe | linuxstb: i know. but still, it's something to hope for. |
| 18:18:48 | linuxstb | e.g. add a new IaudioM5info to go with the IaudioM3info and IaudioX5info |
| 18:19:25 | sharpe | wow. A5. for some reason i thought it was A5. |
| 18:19:29 | sharpe | ergh. |
| 18:19:32 | sharpe | M5. |
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| 18:21:00 | sharpe | nevermind, i'll just stick to what i usually do. |
| 18:22:06 | XavierGr | actually virtual keyboard is missing from the remote too. |
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| 18:37:37 | tucoz | Is it ok to close this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5579 |
| 18:38:08 | tucoz | it's sortof a feature request, but mostly a question that should have been in the forums |
| 18:39:20 | XavierGr | Isn't there already feature requests for video? |
| 18:39:26 | XavierGr | If yes, then delete it. |
| 18:39:47 | bluebrother | I hate feature requests where the submitter sets the severity to high. |
| 18:40:19 | tucoz | XavierGr: there are not really a feature request for video |
| 18:40:39 | tucoz | s/are/is |
| 18:42:23 | XavierGr | hmm |
| 18:42:41 | XavierGr | I dunno |
| 18:43:13 | bluebrother | I vote for closing :) |
| 18:43:14 | tucoz | But, the content of that task is not a request. It's a question with a demand for an answer to his email adress. |
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| 18:43:33 | XavierGr | then stab it! :D |
| 18:43:45 | tucoz | So be it :) We all know that we won't forget video as a requst anyway |
| 18:43:57 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 18:43:59 | bluebrother | hehe ... |
| 18:44:10 | roland | hello, may i ask a little question google doesn't found an answar? |
| 18:44:29 | sharpe | it's not like we're reminded of video support at least once in the forums everyday. |
| 18:45:03 | bluebrother | roland, no, asking is strictly prohibited in this channel ;-) Just shoot. |
| 18:45:03 | roland | how do i reset rootbox to default settings on an iPod5g? (the back- and foreground-colors are the same so i dont find the menus) |
| 18:45:17 | sharpe | turn on the hold switch when you're booting |
| 18:45:30 | roland | thx |
| 18:45:37 | sharpe | er, be sure it's on when you're booting, turn it on before it gets to rockbox. |
| 18:45:41 | bluebrother | damn, I was too late |
| 18:45:51 | sharpe | that's them there quick eyes. |
| 18:45:57 | roland | yeah! that worked... :) |
| 18:46:37 | roland | thanks! where are the settings stored? |
| 18:46:56 | sharpe | not as a file, off the main partition(s) |
| 18:47:01 | bluebrother | in a special block on the disk |
| 18:47:08 | linuxstb | In a secret place.... |
| 18:47:10 | bluebrother | you can export them to a file (write .cfg) |
| 18:47:11 | XavierGr | hehe "rootbox" :) |
| 18:47:28 | sharpe | i said "sandbox" and got nothing. |
| 18:47:44 | saab_rider2 | XavierGr: so what exactly is your H100 record ;) |
| 18:47:55 | XavierGr | 21 hours with stock battery |
| 18:48:14 | XavierGr | but yeah others have get more with other batteries |
| 18:48:37 | saab_rider2 | sweet.. I wonder what the record is with a stock battery with the H300 |
| 18:48:53 | saab_rider2 | man no more tests for me for a while! |
| 18:49:23 | saab_rider2 | I should upload the battery_bench files though |
| 18:49:28 | XavierGr | saab_rider2: change your battery and then sit back and relax/enjoy |
| 18:49:30 | sharpe | well, i'm off, i'll be back later. not that anyone cares, of course. |
| 18:50:01 | XavierGr | sharpe: I will care once you start fixing bugs! :D |
| 18:50:03 | saab_rider2 | yeah I should.. 4 out of my 6 tests were done using the official build |
| 18:50:32 | saab_rider2 | + 1 with an unofficial build, and another with iRiver's FW |
| 18:50:47 | | Nick saab_rider2 is now known as saa[b_r]ider (i=saa_b_r_@221.223.96.112) |
| 18:50:51 | XavierGr | the outcome is summed up on 1 phrase: |
| 18:51:19 | XavierGr | "Rockbox", it really kicks default firmware's ass!!! |
| 18:51:28 | saa[b_r]ider | hahaha |
| 18:51:29 | idnar | mm, rockbox seems to drain the battery on my X5 quicker than the original firmware |
| 18:51:47 | XavierGr | yes the x5 target is still in its infancy |
| 18:51:55 | saa[b_r]ider | we should have that recorded as the "official" Rockbox test file |
| 18:52:00 | bluebrother | could you make a sound file of that? Like the winamp that kicked the llamas ass? |
| 18:52:11 | XavierGr | haha |
| 18:52:27 | bluebrother | don't know if winamp still ships that demo file. |
| 18:52:32 | XavierGr | I am not a good speaker maybe someone else... :P |
| 18:52:32 | saa[b_r]ider | it should be in Linus's voice :D |
| 18:52:37 | saa[b_r]ider | still does |
| 18:52:39 | XavierGr | definitely |
| 18:52:51 | bluebrother | I'm still using winamp2 |
| 18:53:02 | saa[b_r]ider | they have lamas in the background.. |
| 18:53:11 | saa[b_r]ider | winamp 5 is really good |
| 18:53:12 | bluebrother | maybe record it in different languages ... |
| 18:53:31 | saa[b_r]ider | only gripe with winamp is proper Unicode support |
| 18:53:32 | bluebrother | I recently installed winamp5 on a friends laptop. Deleted it about 5 minutes later. |
| 18:53:49 | bluebrother | If winamp2 isn't sufficient for my I have foobar :) |
| 18:53:50 | sadeness | saa[b_r]ider, foobar2000. |
| 18:54:13 | saa[b_r]ider | bluebrother, you can change the look into "classic" which is winamp 2 style |
| 18:54:14 | XavierGr | yup foobar is good |
| 18:54:48 | bluebrother | saa[b_r]ider, I found it to be really sluggish on that machine. Replaced it with winamp2 and was ways quicker. |
| 18:54:50 | saa[b_r]ider | bluebrother, and I don't like the media center thing either, you can minimize that as well |
| 18:55:14 | XavierGr | I am a weirdo, I use a winamp5 and have a winamp2 skin that looks like Winamp5. |
| 18:55:22 | XavierGr | and all that to save 1 second when loading |
| 18:55:26 | bluebrother | anyway, for me I won't install winamp5. I have better alternatives ;-) |
| 18:55:26 | saa[b_r]ider | HAHAHA |
| 18:55:44 | saa[b_r]ider | foobar I haven't gotten to make it look good |
| 18:55:57 | XavierGr | foobar has a problem with my mp3s |
| 18:56:06 | Captain_America | anyone here use windows media player 11 yet |
| 18:56:07 | XavierGr | which reminds me that it has the same problem as rockbox |
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| 18:56:10 | saa[b_r]ider | it does? |
| 18:56:14 | XavierGr | while all other players dont |
| 18:56:23 | saa[b_r]ider | which is? |
| 18:56:23 | bluebrother | wmp is crap. |
| 18:56:28 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders when XavierGr will get rid of the nasty llama |
| 18:56:34 | saa[b_r]ider | I have it installed |
| 18:56:36 | XavierGr | on some tracks encoded with a crappy encoder it will just show wrong runtimes |
| 18:56:49 | Captain_America | the new wmp rules |
| 18:56:52 | XavierGr | on rockbox it is bearable becasue at least it will play the whole file |
| 18:57:02 | bluebrother | why? Can it make coffee? |
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| 18:57:11 | Captain_America | yes |
| 18:57:12 | XavierGr | but in foobar when it reaches the end of the wrong runtime it will stop halfway |
| 18:57:14 | Captain_America | and lattes' |
| 18:57:19 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 18:57:20 | saa[b_r]ider | coffe with album art too! :D |
| 18:57:25 | Captain_America | yah |
| 18:57:35 | bluebrother | using the can holder of your computer? |
| 18:57:37 | XavierGr | wmp is really crap |
| 18:57:43 | Captain_America | alright going to watch freddy got fingered |
| 18:57:45 | XavierGr | stay away from it and DRM |
| 18:57:47 | Captain_America | no its now |
| 18:57:48 | Captain_America | noot |
| 18:57:51 | Captain_America | not |
| 18:57:52 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: right click > Fix MP3 Header... |
| 18:57:57 | XavierGr | ah nice movie Captain_America |
| 18:58:01 | saa[b_r]ider | I had a problem with rockbox under one of the unoffical builds it was very strange... |
| 18:58:03 | Genre9mp3 | Just find some time and do it! |
| 18:58:11 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: do that for 60 albums for each song |
| 18:58:28 | bluebrother | foobar can do batch processing ... |
| 18:58:31 | saa[b_r]ider | it would go to the next song, but think it's playing the previous song, and would go with the previous track's time |
| 18:58:34 | bluebrother | maybe theres a plugin |
| 18:58:38 | XavierGr | it doesn't have batch on that |
| 18:58:42 | saa[b_r]ider | if that makes any sense to you |
| 18:58:47 | XavierGr | but I will search for it more |
| 18:58:53 | bluebrother | too bad. |
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| 18:59:14 | XavierGr | Linus once told me that it was a rockbox bug |
| 18:59:22 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I think it worths the time... |
| 18:59:24 | XavierGr | but then he forgot about it |
| 18:59:45 | XavierGr | Genre9mp3: If I find a batch tool I will do that. |
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| 19:00:00 | XavierGr | Else I am not going to click each and every one file to fix it |
| 19:00:25 | XavierGr | but I ask myself: |
| 19:00:28 | webguest64 | sorry to jut pop in here, but I was reading somewhere about rockbox on an IPOD with a itunes replacement, but I cant find that article. Any Ideas on the itunes replacement software? |
| 19:00:40 | XavierGr | What are the possibilities that Rockbox and Foobar share the same bug? |
| 19:00:52 | bluebrother | webguest64, I guess you mean TagCache |
| 19:01:46 | XavierGr | yeah Cacheri is responsible for it :) |
| 19:02:09 | webguest64 | I was looking for the PC application.. |
| 19:02:20 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I think that your files have "nasty" headers that Winamp (and maybe other players as well) can "tolerate" |
| 19:02:28 | XavierGr | there is no PC apllication for a music database on rockbox |
| 19:02:30 | bluebrother | there is no pc application. TagCache builds its database on your player. |
| 19:02:58 | webguest64 | I also thought I found a paged that show where other sites had stories about rockbox, but I can't find that page either.. Is it still Monday? |
| 19:03:07 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: I wouldn't consider it as a Rockbox and Foobar2000 bug |
| 19:03:18 | XavierGr | well linus said so backthen |
| 19:03:39 | bluebrother | ArticlesAboutRockbox in the wiki IIRC. |
| 19:04:07 | saa[b_r]ider | webguest64 www.rockbox.org wiki |
| 19:04:08 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: But again, I insist on doing it manualy, it still worths the time |
| 19:04:20 | XavierGr | no! I insist too |
| 19:04:31 | XavierGr | it's too much of a hassle |
| 19:04:41 | XavierGr | At least rockbox will playback the whole file |
| 19:04:52 | XavierGr | so on my PC I can just use Winamp |
| 19:04:58 | Genre9mp3 | Think that not only you'll be able to use foobar2000, but you won't have the problem in Rockbox, too |
| 19:05:01 | XavierGr | not that I listen too much music on my PC |
| 19:05:04 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3 XavierGr do you two have rockbox-friendly album art on your players? |
| 19:05:17 | XavierGr | no I hate album art |
| 19:05:21 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 19:05:37 | tucoz | webguest64: probably monkeys audio |
| 19:05:39 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: What do you mean by rockbox-friendly album art? |
| 19:05:40 | XavierGr | I am with amiconn on the album art issue |
| 19:05:48 | tucoz | no, monkey media or whatever it is called |
| 19:05:55 | saa[b_r]ider | well I'm not using it yet, as I still have to clean up the mess of an MP3 collection that I have |
| 19:06:02 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I use 100x100 bmps |
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| 19:06:24 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: as in converted to bmp, in a size readable by rockbox... yeah, that's what I ment |
| 19:06:42 | tucoz | webguest64: http://tf.erzz.com/2006/06/07/drop-itunes-media-monkey-rockbox-is-the-perfect-marriage/ |
| 19:06:48 | tucoz | media monkey was the name |
| 19:06:55 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I use often the Album Art version of iCatcher ;) |
| 19:07:07 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: hate as in don't care for it, or as in, can't bother to convert? |
| 19:07:16 | webguest64 | tucoz−−- yes that was it.. |
| 19:07:41 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Has no actual reason to hate it... :-P |
| 19:07:44 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: I don't care for it, and that it takes valuable screen size hiding other information |
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| 19:08:27 | OSi | hi, i have a huge problem :( |
| 19:08:32 | XavierGr | shoot |
| 19:08:44 | saa[b_r]ider | so you like having bitrate, codec etc... |
| 19:08:59 | Genre9mp3 | Office of Strategic Influence? Or the OSI Model? |
| 19:09:02 | saa[b_r]ider | tucoz: media monkey looks sweet |
| 19:09:21 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: The bitrate,codec etc, was for me? |
| 19:09:30 | OSi | i tried to install rockbox on my ipod 5th G and now i cant start him |
| 19:09:32 | saa[b_r]ider | webguest64: it's not a must to use media monkey though |
| 19:09:34 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider not so much info. I just like big fonts and artist composer info |
| 19:09:43 | tucoz | saa[b_r]ider: yes. I used it a couple of years ago. Very nice. |
| 19:10:03 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: no, to XavierGr who thinks album art takes up space which should be used for other info |
| 19:10:06 | webguest64 | I'm not looking to use Media Monkey with RockBox.. I'm just looking for some Ideas.. |
| 19:10:12 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: ok |
| 19:10:21 | markun | OSi: nothing happens when you try to turn it on? |
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| 19:10:34 | XavierGr | webguest64: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 19:10:57 | webguest64 | I'm not a big fan of Itunes DRM'd music, but I liked how Itunes can put podcasts onto your player and synce up music when you connect.. Things that just dont work with drag and drop.. |
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| 19:11:05 | OSi | a picture with a folder a "!" |
| 19:11:22 | XavierGr | webguest64: then use some synch software |
| 19:11:35 | XavierGr | there are a lot out there and some are free. |
| 19:11:48 | XavierGr | uou just insert your DAP click synch and bingo |
| 19:11:50 | OSi | and "apple.com/support/ipod" |
| 19:11:54 | webguest64 | I don't on a Ipod now, I only have a Lexar player that runs from a 1gig USB thumb drive. So I'd like to have the itunes functions, with out Itunes.. |
| 19:12:09 | * | amiconn had a just had a weird idea regarding album art |
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| 19:12:24 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: ??? |
| 19:12:33 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 19:12:35 | * | Genre9mp3 is surprised |
| 19:12:39 | webguest64 | I'm really thinking about buying the new Sandisk Sansa e270, but I'm waiting for more market support. I'd like to be able to buy some accessories |
| 19:12:53 | markun | OSi: can you connect to usb? |
| 19:13:11 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: What's that weird idea? |
| 19:13:36 | OSi | yes, disk mode is still working |
| 19:13:45 | webguest64 | XavierGr - What do you suguest for Sync Software? |
| 19:13:51 | amiconn | An idea that (1) supports album art on all bitmap targets, using the grayscale lib (2) supports album art as jpeg yet (3) does neither need the grayscale lib nor the jpeg code present in the core |
| 19:13:51 | OSi | i tried to play backup but it doesnt worked |
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| 19:14:00 | XavierGr | ehm truth is that I don't know many |
| 19:14:08 | XavierGr | I use beyong comapre 2 |
| 19:14:16 | markun | OSi: maybe the restore tool from apple? |
| 19:14:18 | XavierGr | but I am sure you can find tons of them |
| 19:14:25 | amiconn | I mean, uses the grayscale lib on b&w targets, of course native gfx on colour targets |
| 19:14:34 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Supporting jpg album art would be soooooo nice |
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| 19:14:50 | XavierGr | yes and cpu consuming maybe? |
| 19:14:53 | webguest64 | XavierGr - the app from Scooter Soft?? I've used it in the past.. but never to sync directories.. |
| 19:15:07 | OSi | i tried apple ipod updater and tried to play a backup from ipodlinux |
| 19:15:43 | XavierGr | isn't the grayscale library that boosts CPU in order to do the LCD trick on b/w targets? |
| 19:16:02 | amiconn | Viewport support would be a prerequisite. Then we can extend the plugin api and provide hooks for some internal gfx stuff and, most important, plugins would no longer render to the screen directly, but get passed a viewport |
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| 19:16:08 | markun | OSi: if you wait a little perhaps someone with a ipod has an idea what you could do |
| 19:16:24 | amiconn | Then album art would just be passed on to the jpeg viewer... |
| 19:16:46 | amiconn | (with the viewport set by the wps code to the area where the album art should be displayed |
| 19:16:47 | amiconn | ) |
| 19:17:03 | markun | amiconn: sounds like a good idea |
| 19:17:29 | Genre9mp3 | So we could use plugins in WPS viewports, such as jpg viewing, lyrics viewing etc. ? |
| 19:17:30 | OSi | ok :( |
| 19:17:38 | juxtap | how does album art work? the properly scaled bmp file is put into the album's directory? |
| 19:17:42 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: any chances viewing album art can be optimized on colored targets with minimum extra battery load? |
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| 19:17:49 | saa[b_r]ider | yup |
| 19:17:57 | amiconn | For grayscale support, we need some hooks to make sure no 2 code paths try to access the lcd simultaneously, as the grayscale lcd transfer runs in an interrupt |
| 19:18:04 | saa[b_r]ider | juxtap: you need the patch though... |
| 19:18:11 | juxtap | yeah i know... |
| 19:18:17 | juxtap | busy downloading cygwin :p |
| 19:18:30 | saa[b_r]ider | juxtap: what player do you have? |
| 19:18:35 | juxtap | umm, 5g |
| 19:18:46 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Yes, lyrics viewing could also be done via a wps viewport |
| 19:19:10 | amiconn | Or if somebody really wants he could run fire or plasma in a viewport... |
| 19:19:13 | saa[b_r]ider | juxtap: you should read the album art patch's notes... |
| 19:19:25 | juxtap | all of them? |
| 19:19:36 | XavierGr | does anyone know that iriver firmware supports synched lyrics? |
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| 19:19:46 | linuxstb | OSi: Obviously something went wrong with your installation of the Rockbox bootloader. Which installation instructions did you follow? |
| 19:19:46 | Genre9mp3 | or maybe a visualization plugin like the vu meter or the oscilloscope.. |
| 19:19:52 | markun | amiconn: or some other visulalization plugin maybe |
| 19:19:58 | XavierGr | When I first bought my H140 I used this feature once for the fun of it |
| 19:19:59 | webguest64 | check out the cygwin live cd.. http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 19:20:02 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: do you know that it takes shitloads of work to have it view? |
| 19:20:04 | amiconn | Yeah, oscilloscope :) |
| 19:20:17 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: yes indeed |
| 19:20:30 | amiconn | Hmm, there's at least one caveat though - we need to make sure that the plugin doesn't need to be loaded on each track change |
| 19:20:30 | XavierGr | but it is there for some weirdos |
| 19:20:48 | sadeness | running line with fresh jokes |
| 19:20:48 | amiconn | Jpeg already has a mechanism to switch images |
| 19:20:56 | markun | XavierGr: for koreans probably :) |
| 19:20:56 | XavierGr | :D |
| 19:21:02 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 19:21:06 | XavierGr | kllier feature |
| 19:21:22 | XavierGr | synched lyrics instead of gapless or on the fly playlists |
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| 19:21:41 | amiconn | So the plugin should stay loaded as long as the wps is shown |
| 19:21:52 | saa[b_r]ider | since we're on the subject of "visualizations", I wish there's a way to have my Knightbox WPS's "KITT" voicebox actually represent a peakmeter |
| 19:21:57 | Genre9mp3 | The most killer feature of all...is the TV remote capabilities of E10!!! :) |
| 19:21:58 | amiconn | This requires extending the plugin mechanism, probably running it in an own thread |
| 19:22:27 | amiconn | Much less of a problem with viewports though |
| 19:22:32 | XavierGr | amiconn: actually it sounds pretty complex, but yeah it sounds good feature |
| 19:22:51 | saa[b_r]ider | all after 3.0 :) |
| 19:23:02 | XavierGr | amen |
| 19:23:09 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders if the Coldfire can handle "heavier" visualizations... |
| 19:23:19 | OSi | linuxstb i forgot to do a step at the first try |
| 19:23:22 | amiconn | And most of all, it's restricted to one plugin at a time, i.e. you can't have lyrics *and* album art at the same time |
| 19:23:32 | saa[b_r]ider | saa[b_r]ider: doesn't want to loose battery life! |
| 19:24:16 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes it is obvious. we have only 1 plugin buffer, and I expect to be tricky to laod another plugin with current plugin engine |
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| 19:24:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:24:39 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Your battery life concerns are obvious! |
| 19:24:52 | amiconn | Supporting more than one plugin would require a dynamic plugin loader |
| 19:24:57 | XavierGr | ha in this scenario it would be impossible to use battery_bench |
| 19:25:00 | OSi | this one: ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
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| 19:25:14 | amiconn | XavierGr: True - if you use a wps plugin |
| 19:25:20 | XavierGr | yes |
| 19:25:55 | * | Genre9mp3 is still surprised by amiconn's ideas :) |
| 19:26:02 | * | amiconn 's "dark-lcd" runtime test is still running |
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| 19:27:15 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: I damaged one battery, I don't want to damage my new one as well :) |
| 19:27:43 | saa[b_r]ider | I want to have 24+ hours of battery life for the next 5 years :D |
| 19:28:17 | XavierGr | isn't this a little too ambitious? |
| 19:28:30 | amiconn | saa[b_r]ider: The battery doesn't get damaged just by using it |
| 19:28:30 | saa[b_r]ider | it's called being sarcastic ;) |
| 19:28:37 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 19:28:48 | amiconn | For LiIons the complete handling is more important |
| 19:28:58 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: I really wonder if I had bad charging habits |
| 19:29:02 | amiconn | And if you say 5 years - forget that with LiIon |
| 19:29:17 | amiconn | LiIon suffers from aging even if you don't use it |
| 19:29:18 | mongey1 | smably_: hows that patch coming along |
| 19:29:36 | amiconn | 3 years is much for a LiIon battery |
| 19:29:38 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: I depended mainly on using the AC adapter, and I charge when the player dies... |
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| 19:29:44 | * | XavierGr imagines after 5 years a new type of cell that it will be able to fit in his H300 and still playback for 60 hours |
| 19:30:19 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: what do you think is the best way to charge a liIon? |
| 19:30:24 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: you mustn't exhaust your battery so much |
| 19:30:45 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: as in drain it till it's dead? |
| 19:30:45 | smably_ | mongey1: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 (i'm planning to release a new version tonight with significantly cleaner code and possibly non-lcd remote support) |
| 19:30:51 | XavierGr | optimal chargin for li-poly and li-ion is around 40% |
| 19:31:04 | amiconn | LiIon doesn't like (1) being fully charged during storage (2) being empty for extended periods (3) heat |
| 19:31:15 | XavierGr | saa[b_r]ider: yes, don't drain it till the end |
| 19:31:49 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: having a balance between 1 and 2 is tricky |
| 19:32:11 | amiconn | XavierGr: You _can_ drain it all the way down without ill effects, provided you don't leave it discharged for long |
| 19:32:20 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: but if I don't drain it till the end, I end up charging it more often... isn't that supposed to be bad as well? |
| 19:32:47 | saa[b_r]ider | and after you fully charge it, USE IT! |
| 19:32:53 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes no memory effect, but some insist that low voltage levels on li-ion will make it to loose some juice over time |
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| 19:34:28 | amiconn | You must never deep-discharge a LiIon battery. If you do, it could even explode when you try to recharge it. But since that's so dangerous, it's guaranteed by a hardware circuit in all LiIon appliances |
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| 19:34:48 | saa[b_r]ider | I thought Li-ion battery has a set number of cycles, so constant charging decreases the number of cycles left, therefor shortening the battery's life... |
| 19:34:56 | amiconn | No |
| 19:35:29 | amiconn | As mentioned, the factors that shorten a LiIon battery's lifecycle are (1)..(3) |
| 19:35:33 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider has deep-dischared his poor little battery 6 times in the row! :) |
| 19:35:52 | saa[b_r]ider | so I can charge it whenever? but 1) not keep it full without usage, or 2) empty for a long time? |
| 19:36:01 | amiconn | The recommended storage conditions for when you don't use them is a charge state around 60%, and a cool place |
| 19:36:02 | saa[b_r]ider | and away from heat |
| 19:36:10 | amiconn | (not below 0 ╟C though) |
| 19:36:36 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3L thanks for noting that out :p |
| 19:37:14 | saa[b_r]ider | what about "over" charging, that's *not* a concern with li-ion right? |
| 19:38:01 | amiconn | It is, that's why all LiIon chargers I know of are hardware controlled |
| 19:38:36 | amiconn | I.e. overcharging is dangerous (battery might explode or catch fire), but prevented by the charging circuit |
| 19:38:39 | saa[b_r]ider | so keeping it on the charger should be harmless (eg iRiver H300's charger) cause it is hardware controled? |
| 19:38:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:38:58 | saa[b_r]ider | alright... batteries 101... |
| 19:39:12 | saa[b_r]ider | tomorrow batteries 102 li-polymer |
| 19:39:14 | saa[b_r]ider | :D |
| 19:39:36 | amiconn | LiPo behaviour is almost identical to LiIon |
| 19:39:52 | smably_ | saa[b_r]ider: this is what happens if you overcharge a LiPo: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3690260570423705609 |
| 19:40:20 | saa[b_r]ider | can't watch google videos :( thanks to the great firewall of china :| |
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| 19:40:34 | saa[b_r]ider | smably: thanks though :) |
| 19:40:42 | smably_ | oh, damn :( |
| 19:40:56 | smably_ | trust me: it's pretty spectacular |
| 19:41:08 | XavierGr | omg |
| 19:41:24 | saa[b_r]ider | no fair! |
| 19:41:43 | saa[b_r]ider | XavierGr: I DEMAND you erase that clip from your memory :p |
| 19:42:01 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: The Great (Fire)Wall of China? ;) |
| 19:42:09 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 19:42:12 | XavierGr | that was nice |
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| 19:42:41 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: http://130.89.160.166/LipoBatteryFire.avi |
| 19:42:50 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah... we get *occasional* google and CNN blocks |
| 19:43:15 | saa[b_r]ider | arigato markun-san |
| 19:43:21 | XavierGr | My god this IS scary |
| 19:43:48 | sadeness | Is there any tool for trace firmware? Disassemle? |
| 19:43:53 | XavierGr | imagine what will happen to you if you are listening to your H340 that moment |
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| 19:44:08 | sharpe | insta-fireworks. |
| 19:44:32 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: ida pro (expensive) or objdump (free) |
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| 19:44:47 | markun | sadeness: that was for you |
| 19:44:58 | sadeness | markun, got it. |
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| 19:46:31 | saa[b_r]ider | WOW! some explosion! |
| 19:47:08 | saa[b_r]ider | I bet future versions of iPods will have wifi, and the ability of charging "over-the-air" |
| 19:47:36 | saa[b_r]ider | and they could instantly deactivate the hardware circut, and have all iPod users blow up! |
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| 19:47:46 | saa[b_r]ider | I'm sure that was jobs' actuall plan |
| 19:47:58 | saa[b_r]ider | actually *is* |
| 19:48:34 | smably_ | haha! |
| 19:48:41 | saa[b_r]ider | and we thought things like iRobot were fiction :D |
| 19:48:57 | saa[b_r]ider | iRobot, iPod ? too obvious man! |
| 19:49:48 | saa[b_r]ider | and the koreans actually beat jobs to his goal with all this wi-bro stuff.. |
| 19:50:06 | saa[b_r]ider | ok, I'll shut up now... |
| 19:50:17 | * | saa[b_r]ider is hyper before bed-time |
| 19:53:07 | saa[b_r]ider | amiconn: one last battery question... by any chance does USB charging have amy negative effects? |
| 19:53:20 | amiconn | No. It just takes longer |
| 19:53:23 | XavierGr | ah yes that is interestin |
| 19:53:26 | XavierGr | pheew |
| 19:53:30 | XavierGr | nice to know |
| 19:53:35 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah.. |
| 19:53:40 | XavierGr | because there was a rumor on MR that it was bad |
| 19:53:57 | amiconn | In fact a lower charging current should be better, because less heat is generated |
| 19:54:01 | XavierGr | but it didn't make any sence why it would be bad |
| 19:54:16 | XavierGr | yeah that's what I knew. |
| 19:54:20 | saa[b_r]ider | I thank god for USB charging... one time I went to visit my parents back home, and forgot my charger... |
| 19:54:42 | saa[b_r]ider | connected my player to USB and charged away, albeit over night |
| 19:55:48 | saa[b_r]ider | speaking of night... time for me to sleep. see you all tomorrow! |
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| 20:21:08 | beto | hi |
| 20:21:11 | beto | i need help |
| 20:22:25 | sadeness | beto, ? |
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| 20:23:26 | Bonkers | anyone taken a archos recorder apart before? is it possible to get between the PCBs without unsoldering them? |
| 20:24:27 | beto | oh sorry, ok im trying to install iboy into my ipod but i keep gettin a |
| 20:25:21 | beto | inval dir home/roms/ |
| 20:26:02 | beto | do i make a folder in the root called home? |
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| 20:31:37 | scorche | Bonkers: there are either 3 or 5 solder points that you must remove the solder from |
| 20:31:42 | scorche | so no |
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| 20:37:26 | Bonkers | scorche: if I take off the end near the USB connecter, will I actually be able to get inside? or do I have to take off both ends? I'm trying to get at the a/c adapter plug, I'm pretty sure that the center conductor has broken off from the pc board |
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| 20:39:06 | scorche | Bonkers: after you remove the solder points, it will fold out over the usb side |
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| 20:44:01 | scorche | Bonkers: see the links in this section |
| 20:44:03 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Hardware |
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| 20:52:23 | OSi | ipod users here? |
| 20:52:45 | obithrawn | hi |
| 20:53:22 | Bonkers | scorche: wow, thanks |
| 20:55:55 | Captain_America | anyone here have a dvdrw drive |
| 20:56:19 | | Nick MbS is now known as MadBigSausage (n=mbspare@213-202-185-65.bas504.dsl.esat.net) |
| 20:56:52 | MadBigSausage | i do |
| 20:57:30 | MadBigSausage | why? |
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| 20:59:05 | muesli__ | amiconn is there soemthing thats speaks against http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 to make it to cvs? |
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| 21:00:57 | Genre9mp3 | muesli__: You can read todays logs to find out... |
| 21:01:09 | smably_ | muesli__: amiconn said earlier that it's a very ugly approach (which it certainly is), and i assume that he'd rather not uglify the codebase with it |
| 21:01:29 | Captain_America | 1x would be horribly slow for dvdrw |
| 21:02:08 | Genre9mp3 | smably_: Just wondering if you plan to try a different approach to the problem... |
| 21:02:16 | MadBigSausage | @CA: But it would be a good burn |
| 21:02:37 | smably_ | Genre9mp3: yep, i have an idea in mind that would get rid of all the code duplication |
| 21:02:48 | smably_ | whether or not it'll work remains to be seen |
| 21:03:02 | smably_ | but it looks promising (hopefully i'll upload a new version of the patch tonight) |
| 21:03:20 | Captain_America | that means itll take as long to bun the disk as it would to play it |
| 21:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | Using an intermediate layer as amiconn's suggestion? |
| 21:04:07 | smably_ | no, it's very similar to the current approach, and it still uses a slightly ugly hack |
| 21:04:25 | smably_ | on the other hand, it will be trivial to implement |
| 21:04:43 | Genre9mp3 | Well, good luck with that |
| 21:05:03 | smably_ | thanks :) |
| 21:05:16 | markun | Captain_America: 1x DVD speed is 1385 kB/s, right? |
| 21:05:45 | XavierGr | 1x != good burn |
| 21:05:58 | XavierGr | it may be a good burn |
| 21:06:06 | muesli__ | smably once the h300 lcd remote is working i dont need the experimental build anymore |
| 21:06:13 | XavierGr | but you can achieve a good burn (or better) with greater speeds |
| 21:06:16 | muesli__ | thats all i care about that build |
| 21:06:32 | Captain_America | so would this be a good dvdrw drive |
| 21:07:06 | Captain_America | http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-SD-R5002-DVD-R-RW-IDE-Burner-Writer-Drive-CDRW_W0QQitemZ8831407189QQihZ005QQcategoryZ44956QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 21:07:45 | markun | OSi: linuxstb knows a lot about ipod stuff |
| 21:08:03 | MadBigSausage | Having x1 is useful but x16 or higher is pretty much standard now. |
| 21:08:12 | MadBigSausage | that looks like a pretty old drive |
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| 21:10:50 | MadBigSausage | here's a better one CA:http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-DRU-810A-Internal-IDE-DL-16x-DVD-RW-Writer-Drive_W0QQitemZ8828781860QQihZ005QQcategoryZ51070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:14:10 | Captain_America | yah im looking for dirt cheap |
| 21:14:20 | Captain_America | im getting a new comp in like a few months |
| 21:14:36 | Captain_America | and i just want to burn a few of my avis off |
| 21:14:48 | MadBigSausage | (see private chat window) |
| 21:14:53 | OSi | help, my ipod fucked up by installing rockbox |
| 21:15:06 | Captain_America | me? |
| 21:15:37 | OSi | someone can help me? |
| 21:16:17 | MadBigSausage | (yep) |
| 21:16:47 | linuxstb_ | OSi: You said earlier that you missed an installation step - have you tried going back to that step and continuing? |
| 21:16:57 | OSi | 3 times |
| 21:17:09 | OSi | i tried to restore my ipod |
| 21:17:14 | OSi | but nothing is working |
| 21:17:41 | linuxstb_ | Firstly, do you have the bootpartition.bin you created when you first attempted the installation? |
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| 21:18:34 | OSi | :( yes, but its not the first |
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| 21:19:41 | OSi | if i start the ipod it schows the folder with the "!" with the support webpage of apple and shuts down again |
| 21:19:46 | linuxstb_ | That's a problem then. If you did the installation wrongly, then overwrote your original bootpartition.bin with a broken one... |
| 21:20:03 | OSi | thats right |
| 21:20:03 | linuxstb_ | 1) Force it into disk mode; 2) Plug it into your computer; 3) Run the Apple restore program. |
| 21:20:18 | OSi | done, just the same |
| 21:20:31 | linuxstb_ | So the Apple restore program doesn't work? |
| 21:20:58 | OSi | it works and find the ipod but the folder is already there ;/ |
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| 21:22:11 | linuxstb_ | How are you forcing your ipod into disk mode? |
| 21:22:35 | OSi | i plug it in my usb and its automatically there |
| 21:22:52 | linuxstb_ | No. Reboot (hold MENU+SELECT), then press SELECT+PLAY |
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| 21:23:37 | OSi | and that works?! |
| 21:24:01 | linuxstb_ | That is what is meant by "forcing the ipod into disk mode" |
| 21:24:27 | OSi | ok i try to restore again |
| 21:24:42 | OSi | at first with the ipod updater |
| 21:24:57 | linuxstb_ | What does your ipod's screen say now? |
| 21:25:10 | OSi | disk mode |
| 21:25:37 | OSi | or what do you mean? |
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| 21:26:36 | linuxstb_ | no, that's fine |
| 21:27:31 | OSi | i just need to download the updater again because i deinstalled it |
| 21:27:55 | obithrawn | What is disk mode? |
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| 21:31:23 | shirour | hi everybody... i'm a developer for the player m:robe 500i (olympus). recently i've managed to get C source compiled & run on the machine. |
| 21:31:37 | shirour | i was thinking of porting musicbox to the m:robe. |
| 21:31:49 | shirour | where should i get started? |
| 21:32:30 | OSi | need to restart computer |
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| 21:33:23 | markun | shirour: are you talking about rockbox? |
| 21:33:34 | shirour | sorry, yeah - rockbox. |
| 21:33:50 | markun | Did you find out all the hardware inside it? |
| 21:34:04 | shirour | i've hacked the original firmware, built a full IDE for the player, and now i can compile & run C source |
| 21:34:16 | shirour | i've written drivers for the lcd & remote |
| 21:34:42 | markun | cool |
| 21:34:58 | shirour | yep - but now i want to go forward. |
| 21:35:54 | markun | download the rockbox source from cvs first |
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| 21:36:22 | shirour | what does the source include? |
| 21:36:32 | shirour | do i need a special bootloader or can i use it as 3rd app |
| 21:36:56 | markun | you need a bootloader |
| 21:37:27 | markun | how do you run code on your player? |
| 21:38:54 | shirour | i've added an exploit to the original firmware |
| 21:39:09 | sadeness | :-D |
| 21:39:22 | markun | Is the firmware in flash or on disk? |
| 21:39:29 | shirour | flash.... |
| 21:39:34 | sadeness | shirour, thumbs up!! |
| 21:39:44 | shirour | thanks... |
| 21:40:30 | markun | well, perhaps you can also make rockbox start as a app |
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| 21:41:02 | markun | Don't know what the safest way would be. Is there a way to recover from a bad firmware flash? |
| 21:41:39 | shirour | that's the problem - no... that's why i've added an exploit |
| 21:41:57 | shirour | does rockbox use any kernel function? |
| 21:42:16 | OSi | ok i restore my ipod now |
| 21:42:28 | markun | rockbox has it's own kernel, if that's what you are asking |
| 21:44:14 | OSi | oh man it wont work |
| 21:44:55 | markun | shirour: what do you mean by 'IDE for the player'? |
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| 21:48:10 | OSi | i use an old ipodlinux backup now |
| 21:50:13 | markun | shirour: is there a place where I can see what kind of hardware is in the m:robe 500i? |
| 21:50:33 | obithrawn | "To install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB or Firewire, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk," How do I make sure that its set up to do that? |
| 21:50:37 | shirour | markun: IDE - full compiling environment for m:robe, with scripts that insert everything into the special exploit file |
| 21:51:48 | shirour | well, www.mrobe.org is a good place to start.... the basic stuff is: TMS320DM320 (arm+dsp), 2 x 32MB SDRAMS, 1 FLASH |
| 21:52:24 | * | freqmod has finally got speex in rockbox working, with stereo too, (but it is currently a bit slow)... TODO: tag support, codec cleanup & seek. |
| 21:52:36 | markun | freqmod: nice work man! |
| 21:53:04 | dwihno | Can anyone recommend a formatting utility for my ipod? |
| 21:54:11 | markun | shirour: there are a lot of players with the same arm+dsp. If you port rockbox perhaps a lot of other ports will be started. |
| 21:54:35 | markun | shirour: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320 |
| 21:57:17 | shirour | yeah... so how should i start...? |
| 21:57:40 | markun | read the code? |
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| 21:58:17 | OSi | wow my ipod is broken... |
| 21:58:28 | markun | shirour: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 21:58:47 | markun | OSi: incredible. You are the very first. Everybody thought it was impossible.. |
| 21:59:02 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:59:34 | markun | shirour: but perhaps others have better suggestions. |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:40 | shirour | markun: thanks...! |
| 22:00:43 | OSi | yeah than i am the first |
| 22:01:09 | markun | linuxstb: no more ideas what OSi can do? |
| 22:08:09 | RoC_MM | Is it just me or does Speex sound no better than Ogg Vorbis at the same bitrate? |
| 22:08:18 | OSi | can anyone send me the folder "iPod_Control" |
| 22:08:54 | RoC_MM | Rockbox works fine without that. |
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| 22:09:00 | markun | RoC_MM: what bitrate did you try? |
| 22:09:04 | RoC_MM | 32kbps |
| 22:09:08 | OSi | or in this folder the "Device" folder for ipod video |
| 22:09:58 | markun | RoC_MM: It's designed to compress speech very well, but I didn't try how well ogg vorbis does it |
| 22:10:13 | RoC_MM | It is an interesting codec. |
| 22:10:26 | preglow | RoC_MM: wideband or narrowband? |
| 22:10:48 | preglow | and you did of course encode speech? |
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| 22:10:54 | RoC_MM | I don't remember if it was 44.1 or 22K if that's what you mean. |
| 22:10:58 | RoC_MM | yes. |
| 22:11:03 | RoC_MM | 'podcast' |
| 22:11:10 | preglow | speex encodes at either wideband or narrowband mode |
| 22:11:21 | preglow | narrowband is 8khz srate, wideband is 16khz |
| 22:11:24 | OSi | back in a minute... |
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| 22:11:26 | RoC_MM | oo |
| 22:11:28 | preglow | use wideband |
| 22:11:44 | RoC_MM | Narrowband sucks? |
| 22:12:23 | preglow | it's comparable to telephone quality |
| 22:12:29 | preglow | wideband is recommended these days |
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| 22:14:09 | markun | RoC_MM: some samples http://www.speex.org/samples.html |
| 22:14:19 | RoC_MM | Doing my own listening test now |
| 22:14:44 | RoC_MM | Probably Speex makes a bigger difference at 16K |
| 22:17:26 | OSi | no one has an ipod video or no one want to send me this folder? |
| 22:17:40 | dionoea | dionoea/ipod/">http://people.Via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/ipod/ |
| 22:17:46 | dionoea | don't know if this is what you're looking for |
| 22:18:13 | OSi | is this your backup? |
| 22:18:18 | dionoea | yup |
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| 22:18:24 | OSi | you have 30gb ipod? |
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| 22:18:29 | dionoea | yup |
| 22:18:35 | OSi | ok i will try |
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| 22:19:58 | MrShlee | Hello, Can I find out who is developing the doom plugin> |
| 22:20:12 | dionoea | it must be in the source code somewhere |
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| 22:20:51 | dionoea | * H300 Port by Karl Kurbjun |
| 22:20:52 | dionoea | * IPod port by Dave Chapman and Paul Louden |
| 22:20:52 | dionoea | * Additional code contributed by Thom Johansen |
| 22:20:56 | dionoea | MrShlee: ^ |
| 22:21:02 | RoC_MM | Good job to whoever made a Speex decoder for rockbox, but in my listening test as before, Speex outputs files almost the same size as Ogg Vorbis comparable quality and frequency (16K), and it sounds nearly identical. It may be better but I sure can't tell. |
| 22:21:33 | preglow | RoC_MM: has anyone made a speex decoder for rockbox?? |
| 22:21:38 | Mikachu | RoC_MM: on speech? |
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| 22:21:47 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, check last night's logs. |
| 22:22:06 | Mikachu | 21:52:28 * freqmod has finally got speex in rockbox working, with stereo |
| 22:22:11 | linuxstb_ | (and today's) |
| 22:22:12 | RoC_MM | freqmod said it at 14;34: freqmod except that problem (and a little speed problem) i have made an speex(mono) decoder for ipod/rockbox |
| 22:22:13 | preglow | where's the patch? |
| 22:22:27 | linuxstb_ | No patch, but he uploaded his 8MB source tree :) |
| 22:22:31 | preglow | hahaha |
| 22:22:35 | MrShlee | Any idea how much memory the H3xx has? |
| 22:22:39 | preglow | what about decoding speed? |
| 22:22:40 | markun | 32MB |
| 22:22:55 | linuxstb_ | It's realtime at 50% pitch according to freqmod. |
| 22:23:04 | linuxstb_ | It still has a lot of floats in it. |
| 22:23:10 | preglow | all floats are used init time |
| 22:23:12 | preglow | i think |
| 22:23:18 | MrShlee | Thats alot of ram. |
| 22:23:21 | MrShlee | ok. thanks |
| 22:23:23 | freqmod | linuxstb_:fixed sterio |
| 22:23:36 | freqmod | linuxstb_:realtime @ 50% only for mono |
| 22:23:38 | RoC_MM | Yeah Mikachu on like 4 seconds of music and then 15 seconds of speech. |
| 22:23:42 | preglow | hmm |
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| 22:23:59 | preglow | freqmod: could you outline roughly what modifications you've made to libspeex itself, if any? |
| 22:24:00 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: Does it use a lot of mallocs |
| 22:24:01 | preglow | freqmod: any optimisations? |
| 22:24:04 | linuxstb_ | ? |
| 22:24:07 | preglow | linuxstb_: it does |
| 22:24:07 | OSi | it dont work :( |
| 22:24:10 | preglow | linuxstb_: tons and tons |
| 22:24:14 | * | freqmod is making patch. |
| 22:24:28 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's very bad for a voice codec... |
| 22:24:47 | preglow | linuxstb_: doesn't sound too bad to me if he has done no optimising at all |
| 22:24:50 | freqmod | it uses many malloc's but only at initializing... |
| 22:25:09 | linuxstb_ | preglow: No, I meant the mallocs. I agree the speed is good for this stage of development. |
| 22:25:11 | dionoea | does the plugin api have a lcd_printf style function ? |
| 22:25:20 | dionoea | or so i have to sprintf in a local buffer first ? |
| 22:25:24 | preglow | linuxstb_: sure it's bad, but we'll just have to trim them away, that's that |
| 22:25:30 | dionoea | *do |
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| 22:26:59 | OSi | dionoea can you upload your ipod_control\device folder please? because i dont have this folder in my ipod |
| 22:27:02 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: You always have to use a local buffer IIRC. |
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| 22:27:09 | dionoea | OSi: no i can't |
| 22:27:09 | linuxstb_ | OSi: Why do you need it? |
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| 22:27:38 | OSi | i dont know, i easily want to try everything that my fucking ipod works again |
| 22:27:42 | dionoea | linuxstb_: ok, thanks |
| 22:27:54 | freqmod | OSI: have you tried the apple ipod updater? |
| 22:27:57 | linuxstb_ | OSi: What happened when you tried my suggestion? |
| 22:28:02 | OSi | abaout 100 times |
| 22:28:14 | OSi | still the same problem |
| 22:28:35 | freqmod | then the ipod_control folder won't help, you may ust move any exsiting away, and then use the updater again |
| 22:28:56 | freqmod | *just |
| 22:29:03 | linuxstb_ | OSi: So you forced your ipod into disk mode, then connected it to your computer, then what did the ipod update say? |
| 22:29:10 | linuxstb_ | ^updater |
| 22:30:04 | OSi | it shows me my ipod, then i pressed restore, the program restored, but i have still this problem |
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| 22:31:17 | linuxstb_ | So the updater told you it was successful? |
| 22:31:44 | OSi | yes |
| 22:31:52 | linuxstb_ | And then what did your ipod do? |
| 22:33:37 | freqmod | Patch (against rockbox cvs (~10min ago): freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speex.v001.patch.bz2">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speex.v001.patch.bz2 |
| 22:34:02 | OSi | he rebooted, and after the line under the apple logo was full (dont know the vocabulary of the exact word) the folder with the "!" shown me again |
| 22:34:21 | sadeness | bball. |
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| 22:35:32 | Rob2222 | WOOOT ... HAS SOMEONE MADE A BATTERYBENCH WITH THE NEW USB OTG DRIVER ?!?!? |
| 22:35:53 | Rob2222 | From 12,5h runtime to 24,5h !!!! |
| 22:35:57 | Rob2222 | OMFG |
| 22:36:33 | Rob2222 | (H300) |
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| 22:37:11 | Rob2222 | Nice done! |
| 22:38:21 | markun | Rob2222: calm down, this is old news :) |
| 22:38:21 | linuxstb_ | OSi: When did you disconnect it from your computer? |
| 22:38:27 | preglow | freqmod: but yeah, have you optimised at all? any asm? iram? |
| 22:38:54 | OSi | i didnt disconnected it from the computer |
| 22:39:36 | Rob2222 | well,m I didnt expected THAT power saving ... |
| 22:39:44 | freqmod | no... unoptimized, I am not that god at optimizing, will maybe try after fixing seeking, tag support & proper codec cleanup, so it is possible to play 2 subsequent speex tracks. |
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| 22:40:41 | freqmod | preglow: I have done some work in math_approx.c (math functions, to replace functions that don't exist/work on the ipod) |
| 22:41:28 | preglow | ahh, right, ipod |
| 22:41:34 | preglow | been tested on iriver at all? |
| 22:41:54 | linuxstb_ | OSi: All I can suggest is to leave it to charge for a while, and try the restore again. Also, try searching Apple's support site, starting here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61003 |
| 22:41:59 | freqmod | no, no testing except on amd64 simulator and ipod. |
| 22:42:11 | preglow | freqmod: and are you sure the arm asm optimisations have been enabled? |
| 22:42:19 | freqmod | i don't have any other (rockbox) supported hardware |
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| 22:44:26 | freqmod | no arm asm optimalisations enabled the optimalizations are: arm4-asm arm5e-asm & blackfin-asm (& SSE) ipod:arm7tdmi, don't know if any of the optimalizations work |
| 22:44:50 | preglow | arm4 should work |
| 22:44:52 | freqmod | ehh... not enabled optimalizations, but speex supported optimalizations |
| 22:45:13 | preglow | so if you haven't enabled them i seriously suggest you try it :) |
| 22:45:38 | freqmod | ok, i'll try it tomorrow (going to bed in 15 min) |
| 22:46:07 | preglow | oh, and yeah, the speex you ported is the latest development one, yes? |
| 22:46:25 | preglow | 1.1.12 right now, it seems |
| 22:46:31 | freqmod | yes, checked out of svn a few houres ago... |
| 22:46:58 | preglow | ahh, goodie |
| 22:47:20 | preglow | i can see myself optimising this thing once i get time |
| 22:47:27 | OSi | ok, thank you linuxstb for your help and all others too that tried to help... bye# |
| 22:48:17 | freqmod | preglow: if you do tell me. |
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| 22:49:23 | dionoea | has anyone already done a png decoder for rockbox ? |
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| 22:52:03 | tucoz | dionoea: I have never heard of one at least. And no patch on the tracker |
| 22:52:31 | dionoea | i might give it a try then |
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| 22:53:12 | dionoea | once i'm done with rockgimp^Wrockpaint |
| 22:54:25 | tucoz | :) |
| 22:56:00 | dionoea | btw, is it possible to disable the "long press on play on an ipod shuts it down" thing in a plugin ? |
| 22:57:31 | linuxstb_ | Not easily. It's built into the button driver. |
| 22:57:37 | dionoea | :/ |
| 22:58:01 | linuxstb_ | You would have to modify the button driver to allow that behaviour to be disabled. |
| 22:58:01 | dionoea | my ipod gets powered off all the time when i test my plugin :) |
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| 22:58:36 | linuxstb_ | Then either change the button mapping in your plugin, or persuade everyone else that the poweroff button should be changed... |
| 22:58:41 | dionoea | i'll wait for the touch wheel event handling code to make it into CVS ... that way people won't have to press the key |
| 22:59:07 | dionoea | linuxstb_: well play is the key for down ... there aren't too many other keys i could use |
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| 23:06:03 | midkay | doom doesn't suffer from play=off, does it? |
| 23:06:12 | midkay | i'm sure i've remained firing a weapon for that long.. |
| 23:06:21 | Mikachu | the shutdown code is in the button driver iirc |
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| 23:06:43 | Mikachu | i changed the combo to play+select in my build after i shut down three times in the jpeg plugin... |
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| 23:09:04 | dionoea | midkay: i couldn't find the code which disables it in doom |
| 23:09:10 | dionoea | if you have an idea ... |
| 23:09:41 | midkay | dionoea, no idea, but do you even know if what i suggest is true? does doom manage to avoid play=shutdown? |
| 23:10:00 | dionoea | i'd have to test :) |
| 23:10:51 | midkay | well don't assume what i say is correct.. it's probably not. ;) |
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| 23:11:23 | dionoea | it doesn't shut down |
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| 23:15:03 | dionoea | all the doom code is in plugins/doom/ right ? (because i can't find the intersting piece of code) |
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| 23:15:30 | Mikachu | could be related to grabbing the time |
| 23:15:31 | Mikachu | r |
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| 23:18:49 | dionoea | must be something in i_video.c line 151 and down |
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| 23:19:42 | dionoea | err ... no ... |
| 23:19:42 | juxtap | did that dude sort out his ipod? |
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