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| 00:03:54 | stripwax | Evening all. |
| 00:04:34 | stripwax | Is there any way to view ID3 info for a file, without it actually be currently playing (e.g. hold select on a file in playlist -> File Options -> "view tag info" or something?) |
| 00:05:32 | PaulJam | i don't think so. |
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| 00:11:07 | amiconn | Wow. Either something is systematically wrong with my runtime tests, or keeping the LCD running (+ the CPU updating it) during playback does really consume an extra 16 mA (and shortens runtime by 20%) |
| 00:11:14 | amiconn | (H340) |
| 00:12:03 | Bonkers | scorche: thanks so much, I think I managed to reattch my power connector |
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| 00:12:18 | Bonkers | once I unsoldered those connections, the whole plug just fell out |
| 00:12:18 | scorche | Bonkers: hehe...no problem...good luck |
| 00:12:48 | Bonkers | do you know if the recorder is supposed to turn out without batteries? only the power light comes on, but nothing else, but if I put the batteries back, it all works fine |
| 00:12:51 | Bonkers | rockbox bug maybe? |
| 00:13:01 | scorche | it isnt |
| 00:13:08 | Bonkers | if I turn it on and take out hte batteries, it still works |
| 00:13:12 | scorche | batteries are required =) |
| 00:13:15 | Bonkers | that's odd |
| 00:13:58 | scorche | not really |
| 00:14:28 | XavierGr | amiconn: the final result? |
| 00:15:58 | Bonkers | scorche: it's definitely a rockbox bug |
| 00:16:10 | Bonkers | if I turn on my recorder while holding F1 to get the archos firmware, it turns on just fine |
| 00:17:12 | Bonkers | not exactly high priority |
| 00:19:13 | amiconn | The archos won't run properly without batteries |
| 00:19:38 | amiconn | It has nothing to do with rockbox, it's the way the hardware is designed |
| 00:20:05 | Bonkers | but the LCD doesn't turn on with the rockbox firmware running, it does with the archos firmware |
| 00:20:37 | amiconn | I repeat: The archos won't run __properly__ without batteries. |
| 00:20:46 | Bonkers | I understand that |
| 00:20:47 | amiconn | That doesn't mean it won't turn on |
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| 00:21:09 | amiconn | ..but as soon as the harddisk tries to start, things will stop working |
| 00:21:18 | Bonkers | oh, well I don't have a hard drive connected either ;) |
| 00:21:34 | Bonkers | so the hard drive error displayed quite properly |
| 00:22:01 | Bonkers | not exactly the kind of bug that needs chasing |
| 00:22:08 | amiconn | Ok, so maybe rockbox is looking for the HD and stops working before it initialises the lcd |
| 00:22:22 | Genre9mp3 | LOL: From MR threads: Q:Tell me plain and simple: does this fix the "dead battery" issue for those whose players shut off after 30 mins? |
| 00:22:30 | Bonkers | I think I tried rockbox with the hard drive but no batteries and that didn't work either |
| 00:22:32 | XavierGr | hahaha |
| 00:22:33 | Genre9mp3 | A:This fix provides ~100% increase in battery life. So, if your battery lasts for only 30 minutes, now you can expect a whole whopping hour of playback! |
| 00:22:38 | XavierGr | link? |
| 00:22:48 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43165&page=9 |
| 00:22:52 | amiconn | If you plug the HD and try to run w/o batteries, archos firmware won't work either |
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| 00:23:07 | Bonkers | amiconn: not enough current to run the hard drive you're saying? |
| 00:23:33 | amiconn | If you run the hardware at a condition it wasn't built for, erratic behaviour isn't considered a bug |
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| 00:24:07 | Bonkers | I'll accept that |
| 00:24:34 | amiconn | The archos (and all other targets so far) are designed to run from batteries, and the charger is *only* a charger, not a power supply that would be able to power the unit on its own, without batteries |
| 00:24:41 | Mikachu | if you're bored you could run some wires from your computer's psu to the battery connectors |
| 00:25:01 | Mikachu | maybe that will have a negative effect if it tries to charge though |
| 00:25:13 | Bonkers | probably just kill the archos |
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| 00:27:49 | amiconn | It's possible to run the archos from a regulated (lab) PSU - connected to the battery connectors |
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| 00:28:11 | amiconn | I did that during development of the player flashing |
| 00:28:20 | Bonkers | but happens to the power circuit when you connect up the a/c though? |
| 00:28:23 | XavierGr | why not a standart power adaptor at the specific voltage? |
| 00:28:39 | Bonkers | the archos is going to try put 8V or whatever on the battery terminals |
| 00:28:52 | Bonkers | and suddenly become very unhappy when the lab PSU is supplying 5V with more current |
| 00:29:04 | XavierGr | it must be very picky then |
| 00:29:06 | amiconn | Why would I connect the ac adapter when powering from a lab PSU? |
| 00:29:11 | amiconn | Would be a weird idea |
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| 00:29:18 | Bonkers | well you wouldn't that was just the suggested scenario |
| 00:29:28 | Bonkers | [18:25] <Mikachu> maybe that will have a negative effect if it tries to charge though |
| 00:29:41 | dwihno | Can anyone recommend a fat32 formatting utility for windows xp? the one in the wiki just won't work :( |
| 00:29:51 | amiconn | In fact nothing bad should happen as long as the PSU itself doesn't run away |
| 00:30:06 | Mikachu | amiconn: it won't try to charge from usb? |
| 00:30:18 | amiconn | The archoses don't charge from USB |
| 00:30:22 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:30:24 | Bonkers | USB isn't high enough voltage |
| 00:30:30 | amiconn | (except the FM/V2) |
| 00:30:42 | Mikachu | i guses you wouldn't put a transformer in a dap :) |
| 00:30:55 | amiconn | ..but then, powering such a beast from a PSU is an entirely different thing |
| 00:30:57 | Bonkers | you'd need a huge circuit to go 5V->9V with a transformer |
| 00:31:31 | amiconn | We're talking 'bout the kind of archoses that's powered from 4 NiMH AA cells |
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| 00:32:01 | Bonkers | does the FM/V2 have a lower voltage battery or do they have a step up circuit for the USB voltage? |
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| 00:32:35 | amiconn | FM/V2 runs from a LiIon battery |
| 00:32:57 | amiconn | single cell voltage, though there are 2 cells connected in parallel |
| 00:33:19 | amiconn | No step-up required |
| 00:33:19 | stripwax | dwihno - cygwin? :-) |
| 00:33:43 | stripwax | PaulJam - was that 'I don't think so' for me? Sounds like it would be a sensible addition! |
| 00:34:11 | dwihno | :( |
| 00:34:13 | dwihno | *sigh* |
| 00:34:53 | XavierGr | amiconn: my point was connect a simple power source that is rated exactly as the batteries on the battery connectors. A lab PSU is hard to find at your home. |
| 00:36:04 | amiconn | Mikachu: Btw, you don't need a large transformer to step-up convert voltages |
| 00:36:26 | MadBigSausage | stripwax: yep, it was at you. It a good idea it's just that nobody's done it yet |
| 00:36:27 | amiconn | Depending on the current requirements, a switching converter or charge pump will do |
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| 00:37:30 | amiconn | E.g.: The whole Ondio is run from a buck/boost switching converter that produces regulated 3.3V from an input voltage of 2.7 .. 5V |
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| 00:38:33 | Mikachu | amiconn: i never claimed so |
| 00:38:42 | Mikachu | bonkers did |
| 00:39:17 | Mikachu | i have only studied "traditional" transformers in school |
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| 00:40:07 | Bonkers | transformers require ac, charge pumps can work on pure dc, so you don't need an oscillator to go dc->ac and then ac back to dc |
| 00:40:26 | Mikachu | that's true |
| 00:41:37 | amiconn | Charge pumps also need an oscillator |
| 00:42:04 | amiconn | They don't require a coil though, but some capacitors instead |
| 00:42:07 | PaulJam | stripwax: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1008 there is a patch to view (and edit) id3-tags. but i don't know if it works |
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| 00:55:41 | mongey1 | holy shit |
| 00:57:19 | mongey1 | my h300 is dead |
| 00:57:19 | mongey1 | batery went to 2.8 v |
| 00:57:19 | mongey1 | phew |
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| 00:57:19 | mongey1 | charging |
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| 01:02:58 | PaulJam | bah, since i upgraded ubuntu shows an ipod icon when i connect my h300 |
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| 01:12:38 | MadBigSausage | find the icon and replace it? |
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| 01:26:10 | stripwax | MadBigSausage/PaulJam - thanks! |
| 01:26:40 | stripwax | PaulJam - pity that it only works for id3 and not, say, everything TagCache works for! |
| 01:27:35 | PaulJam | I think when this patch was made only mp3 was supported |
| 01:28:00 | stripwax | but now that we have TagCache I have a feeling that this patch could just be rewritten in a much better integrated way. Not so sure about the 'and editing tags' part though |
| 01:29:04 | stripwax | PaulJam - quite likely, given that the patch predates even "Open With..." .;-) |
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| 01:30:08 | Kronuz | hello |
| 01:30:09 | stripwax | gotta run |
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| 01:31:52 | Kronuz | hey, what would have to be done to put rockbox in "suspend" mode instead of shutting down? (technically speaking) |
| 01:33:24 | Kronuz | I was thinking about just stopping the music or plugins, freezing the threads (except for the interrupt handler, which would be changed for a simpler one) switching off the LCD, and putting the processor out of boost mode (to work in 35MHz) |
| 01:33:48 | Kronuz | but I'm not sure this would be enough or if there is something else I'm missing |
| 01:33:49 | Mikachu | Kronuz: in suspend mode you would want to run at much lower clock i think |
| 01:34:06 | Kronuz | can I set the clock rate at will? |
| 01:34:06 | Mikachu | i am not sure exactly but the lowest freq is near 50kHz |
| 01:34:14 | Mikachu | more or less, but i don't know the details |
| 01:34:16 | amiconn | 32768Hz |
| 01:34:18 | Kronuz | (this is about the only thing I'd like to have in ROCKbox for my iPod) |
| 01:34:23 | Kronuz | (suspend mode) |
| 01:34:28 | amiconn | ..according to the PP product brief |
| 01:34:35 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 01:34:35 | Mikachu | that's the one |
| 01:35:10 | amiconn | Dunno whether thi slow freq is possible to set in the ipod though |
| 01:35:24 | amiconn | s/thi slow/this low/ |
| 01:36:20 | b00st4 | any patch to change the intense of background light for ipod? |
| 01:36:27 | Mikachu | there is one |
| 01:36:42 | Mikachu | iirc it is not completely perfect yet |
| 01:36:51 | b00st4 | aight |
| 01:37:06 | b00st4 | is the 64mb memory fix recommendable? |
| 01:37:11 | amiconn | It uses the timer & software pwm, like the rockbox fade in/out |
| 01:37:24 | amiconn | Some ipods can be dimmed in hardware |
| 01:37:38 | amiconn | ...which should be used for brightness |
| 01:37:52 | Mikachu | peakmeter backlight would be useless but fun |
| 01:38:10 | Mikachu | maybe something for sharpe :P |
| 01:38:24 | b00st4 | i got a strange problem after compiling today... |
| 01:38:44 | Kronuz | I was reading the source code |
| 01:39:02 | Kronuz | and I found out the shutdown in the iPods is actually a deep sleep mode |
| 01:39:09 | b00st4 | ive only applied a patch for 64mb upgrade and after rebooting ipod it doesnt respond after all |
| 01:39:12 | Kronuz | (I think, if I understood it well) |
| 01:39:19 | b00st4 | and the light dims on startup... |
| 01:39:30 | b00st4 | what could that be? |
| 01:40:10 | Kronuz | amiconn: then I'd use 32MHz instead of 35Mhz (but does the other things sound about right then?) |
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| 01:40:29 | amiconn | 32 kHz, not 32 MHz |
| 01:40:40 | Kronuz | amiconn: oh :P |
| 01:40:47 | Kronuz | wow, that's slow :) |
| 01:40:49 | amiconn | You cannot set that with rockbox' frequency setting function |
| 01:41:15 | Kronuz | yeah, I'd had to modify it, or probably access the processor directly |
| 01:41:15 | amiconn | I suspect there's a second crystal that can be selected somehow |
| 01:41:30 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 01:41:56 | amiconn | The standard clock generation uses the pll and the 24MHz xtal |
| 01:42:48 | amiconn | Try to find out.... I think that the ipl guys also don't know how |
| 01:43:17 | Kronuz | amiconn: this is getting complicated... I thought it would be easier :P |
| 01:43:56 | amiconn | Btw, there is more than just freezing unwanted threads, switching off the LCD, and clock down |
| 01:44:14 | Mikachu | switching off the lcd isn't known yet iirc |
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| 01:44:17 | amiconn | There are probably other hardware components that should be powered off |
| 01:44:43 | amiconn | Mikachu: The lcd is one of the best known components... (except for the video) |
| 01:44:43 | Kronuz | amiconn: damn, it's a complicated task then |
| 01:46:00 | Kronuz | :( |
| 01:46:01 | Mikachu | amiconn: so it is known how to shut it down and start it up? |
| 01:46:08 | Mikachu | if so do you have any pointers? |
| 01:46:25 | amiconn | Check the datasheets for the lcd controllers |
| 01:46:33 | Mikachu | hm, okay |
| 01:46:39 | Mikachu | i will maybe look at it tomorrow |
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| 01:46:56 | Kronuz | I no longer like apple's firmware (at all), but I don't like the rockbox need to shutdown/reboot :( |
| 01:47:03 | [g2] | anyone have some info about the sans 2xx line ? |
| 01:47:16 | Kronuz | this is becoming a nightmare ^_^ |
| 01:47:55 | amiconn | Greyscale ipods: Renesas HD66753, color/photo/nano: Renesas HD66789R |
| 01:48:17 | Kronuz | apple's firmware is ugly: it looks bad, it sounds bad, it's too bright |
| 01:48:44 | Mikachu | amiconn: thankings |
| 01:48:51 | amiconn | Kronuz: While I do like quick power-on, I actually wouldn't like a sleep mode |
| 01:49:18 | Kronuz | I've deep thoughts about it, and for me it would be better |
| 01:49:27 | amiconn | I never know for how long I won't use the device, and I don't want to end up with a discharged battery when picking it up again |
| 01:49:46 | Kronuz | I much rather have quick power-on (even with no disk access at all) |
| 01:49:50 | amiconn | Rockbox boot is really quick, especially if you remove the original fw |
| 01:50:10 | Kronuz | amiconn: but after 24 hours it would be shut down |
| 01:50:13 | Mikachu | i think a sleep mode with autoshutdown after 30 minutes wolud be good |
| 01:50:15 | Kronuz | as in apple's firmware |
| 01:50:21 | Mikachu | or optional timeout obviously |
| 01:50:21 | Kronuz | yeah, or 30 minutes |
| 01:50:24 | Kronuz | or whatever |
| 01:50:28 | Kronuz | yeah |
| 01:50:43 | amiconn | 4 seconds boot on my mini g2 |
| 01:50:47 | Kronuz | 24 hours sound about right for me |
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| 01:51:32 | Kronuz | rockbox on has all this apple issues fixed, but it lacks suspend mode, sound stops a bit when you navigate, navigation is slow, and it doesn't have video support |
| 01:51:39 | amiconn | Yeah, anyway: sleep mode will require major reverse engineering / hardware tinkering |
| 01:52:04 | Mikachu | amiconn: it would be nice to shut down lcd properly at shut down |
| 01:52:05 | Kronuz | I've found those are the issues I'd like to have fixed in rockbox (listed in priority order) |
| 01:52:15 | amiconn | For instance, we still don't even know how to power off the hard disk |
| 01:52:27 | Mikachu | and eventually turn it off after playing music for some music without interaction |
| 01:52:40 | Kronuz | amiconn: you know what I was thinking... what about an iPod emulator? |
| 01:52:53 | Kronuz | (to find out about all this unkown stuff) |
| 01:53:05 | Kronuz | like putting all we know in the emulator and run the original firmware |
| 01:53:11 | amiconn | ..which would be desirable even for normal operation (gives a >10% runtime increase on iriver, and similar improvements on archos) but crucial for sleep mode |
| 01:53:27 | amiconn | How would you build an emulator if you don't know how the hardware works? |
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| 01:53:57 | Kronuz | well, you buils with what you know... and wait for the firmware start doing unkown stuff to figure out what it is |
| 01:54:06 | Kronuz | s/buils/build/ |
| 01:54:21 | Kronuz | logging what the firmware does |
| 01:54:21 | amiconn | The same can be achieved by disassembling the original firmware... |
| 01:54:23 | Mikachu | i'm not sure that would help you more than just looking at the binary |
| 01:54:36 | Kronuz | well, it's interactive ;) |
| 01:54:49 | Kronuz | you can do stuff and see what parts of the code are active |
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| 01:56:46 | Kronuz | amiconn: although you're probably right |
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| 01:56:55 | Kronuz | building an emulator would be difficult too |
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| 01:59:33 | Kronuz | it's just that it's disparing and infuriating not being able to have it working how we want :P |
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| 02:00:10 | RoC_MM | my ipod does not play video |
| 02:00:21 | RoC_MM | and I have not suffered for it yet. Rockbox is a music player last I checked. |
| 02:00:24 | Kronuz | video is the last thing in my list... but still |
| 02:00:29 | RoC_MM | still |
| 02:00:33 | RoC_MM | music player |
| 02:00:36 | RoC_MM | ;-) |
| 02:00:47 | Mikachu | that is a good excuse but it doesn't explain all the crazy plugins |
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| 02:01:18 | Kronuz | hehe |
| 02:01:27 | RoC_MM | default install can boot to iPod firmware if you are holding MENU when the Apple appears, so if you want video, just use APPLEOS |
| 02:02:02 | Kronuz | RoC_MM: you're not listening!! apple's firmware is UGLY!! |
| 02:02:03 | Kronuz | :P |
| 02:02:12 | Kronuz | (not to mention very limited) |
| 02:02:48 | RoC_MM | What's uglier than asking a Music Player to play videos? When .mpeg is implemented, people will want .wmv, when xvid is implemented they'll want h.264 |
| 02:03:51 | Kronuz | RoC_MM: c'mon that's just an excuse (about the music player,) rockbox is not just a music player |
| 02:04:05 | Kronuz | (and you know it) |
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| 02:04:24 | RoC_MM | If I recall correctly, playing high-bitrate Video content would make your battery die. |
| 02:04:24 | Kronuz | it just happens to lack video playing at the moment |
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| 02:04:47 | PaulJam | i thought rockbox was mainly a gameboy emulator |
| 02:04:51 | RoC_MM | Your saying I could watch a video on my 3G greyscale? |
| 02:05:05 | RoC_MM | Or my 4G? |
| 02:05:10 | Kronuz | RoC_MM: can you play doom on your greyscale? |
| 02:05:18 | RoC_MM | Never tried. |
| 02:05:23 | amiconn | Not yet |
| 02:05:23 | RoC_MM | I thought Rockbox was a music player. |
| 02:05:23 | Kronuz | well |
| 02:05:38 | Kronuz | it comes with doom by default |
| 02:05:42 | amiconn | The grayscale lib isn't ported to the grayscale ipods yet |
| 02:05:48 | Kronuz | I'd say that makes it a bit more than a music player |
| 02:05:50 | RoC_MM | a lot of people at my brother's high school have installed Rockbox on their 5G iPod with video decoder so they can play DOOM though. |
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| 02:06:52 | Kronuz | to be precise, I'd say rockbox is a good open source piece of software for portable devices, not a "music player" |
| 02:07:12 | Kronuz | that's what I think... |
| 02:07:18 | RoC_MM | last I checked, it only ran on portable music players. |
| 02:07:21 | RoC_MM | but |
| 02:07:35 | RoC_MM | rockbox may someday have video codecs, and when it does, that'll be great. |
| 02:07:40 | Kronuz | anyway, as I said, video is last in my list... and it's just something that would be nice to have (not something that's needed) |
| 02:07:52 | RoC_MM | Battery life is more important to me. |
| 02:08:07 | Kronuz | well, you wouldn't use videos then ;) |
| 02:08:12 | RoC_MM | fo sho. |
| 02:08:13 | Kronuz | but others would have the option |
| 02:08:30 | PaulJam | damn, i think i'm using too many patches, rockbox is starting to do funny things. |
| 02:08:45 | Mikachu | it might be fun to grab videos off your digicam with usbotg and show them on your dap |
| 02:08:46 | amiconn | The point is, rockbox is primarily a dap firmware |
| 02:08:55 | amiconn | It can be extended by plugins |
| 02:09:01 | b00st4 | hm, im gettin a codec failure, what could that be? |
| 02:09:03 | RoC_MM | indeed |
| 02:09:07 | Kronuz | RoC_MM: when I play videos is 'cause I have my iPod connected to the power outlet (while traveling mostly) |
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| 02:09:25 | amiconn | People are writing plugins for the fun of it, we can't stop them doing so |
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| 02:09:45 | Kronuz | amiconn: that's the spirit :) |
| 02:09:48 | Mikachu | i think videos should be a viewer plugin when implemented |
| 02:09:49 | amiconn | One day someone with enough time & desire to implement video playback will do so |
| 02:10:06 | Kronuz | specially time :( |
| 02:10:08 | amiconn | It's just that video playback doesn't have priority |
| 02:10:20 | Kronuz | yeah, that's what I said from the start ;) |
| 02:10:33 | Kronuz | (las ton my list, for the nth time) |
| 02:10:39 | amiconn | Mikachu: [02:09:22] <Mikachu> ...when implemented <== Video playback *is* implemented, just not for the newer devices |
| 02:10:46 | amiconn | And yes, it is a viewer plugin |
| 02:10:55 | Mikachu | yeah i know, you always correct me on that :) |
| 02:11:02 | amiconn | hehe |
| 02:11:04 | Kronuz | hehe |
| 02:11:16 | Mikachu | maybe someday i will stop forgetting it |
| 02:11:22 | Kronuz | don't you think WPS should also be a plugin? |
| 02:11:34 | RoC_MM | what ports does video *not* work on? |
| 02:11:44 | RoC_MM | or what does it work on, whichever is a shorter list? |
| 02:11:44 | Kronuz | amiconn: for a cleaner architecture? |
| 02:12:28 | Kronuz | (I think it should, but it's just my point of view at the moment) |
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| 02:13:14 | amiconn | Btw, video playback on archos was implemented >18 months after rockbox first played music |
| 02:13:24 | amiconn | ..without sound at first |
| 02:13:43 | Mikachu | is it grayscale or monochrome? |
| 02:13:44 | Kronuz | amiconn: are all archos devices color? |
| 02:13:57 | amiconn | Nope |
| 02:14:04 | amiconn | They're 1bit b&w natively |
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| 02:14:24 | amiconn | Video is played in grayscale (dithering in the time domain) |
| 02:14:31 | Kronuz | RoC_MM: there you have it :) videos in greyscale |
| 02:14:40 | amiconn | That's the idea my grayscale lib is based on... |
| 02:15:00 | Kronuz | what do you think about the WPS being a plugin? |
| 02:15:07 | RoC_MM | a better question |
| 02:15:12 | amiconn | Not a good one |
| 02:15:14 | Kronuz | and making plugins easier to integrate with the whole |
| 02:15:16 | Mikachu | i think there wouldn't be much left of the core without the wps |
| 02:15:28 | RoC_MM | is does video on the first 4 ipod generator look any good with the greyscale? |
| 02:15:30 | amiconn | ahahahaha |
| 02:15:31 | Kronuz | Mikachu: precisely :) |
| 02:15:33 | Fredder | hello all, Im total newbie ... I have pmp-120 ... rockbox works on it ? |
| 02:15:43 | Kronuz | Mikachu: the core would be leaner |
| 02:15:46 | amiconn | RoC_MM: [02:05:17] <amiconn> The grayscale lib isn't ported to the grayscale ipods yet |
| 02:16:00 | RoC_MM | i'm just saying |
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| 02:16:14 | Kronuz | and the WPS would be plugged just as a video plugin could be |
| 02:16:17 | RoC_MM | sure video works for greyscale, but greyscale makes video look like unviewable |
| 02:16:24 | Kronuz | and as any other plugin for that matter.... |
| 02:16:52 | amiconn | Nobody can tell yet. I think it will look good (already 2 different LCDs showed that the concept works - archos recorders/Ondios and the iriver H1x0) |
| 02:17:17 | Kronuz | there would be the need for a better API to integrate plugins with rockbox, but I think it would be cleaner |
| 02:17:24 | amiconn | ..but of course there might be some showstoppers I cannot foresee |
| 02:17:25 | sharpe | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4960.0 yay |
| 02:17:49 | Kronuz | and plugins would be able to play along with rockbox a lot better |
| 02:18:03 | PaulJam | Kronuz: but if the wps would be a plugin it wouldn't be possible to run another plugin like batery_bench in the background |
| 02:18:03 | Mikachu | Kronuz: you have lots of crazy ideas :) |
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| 02:18:18 | Kronuz | (with coomon look-alike interfaces) |
| 02:18:27 | Kronuz | PaulJam: why not? |
| 02:18:33 | Kronuz | you just make a new thread ;) |
| 02:18:40 | Kronuz | it's not technically impossible |
| 02:18:42 | sharpe | would anyone else consider that spam? |
| 02:18:55 | amiconn | Kronuz: (1) The wps needs a lot of information only available in the core (2) Only one plugin can be run at a time. Making the wps a plugin would make using other plugins during playback more difficult, and things like tsr plugins impossible |
| 02:19:51 | amiconn | Kronuz: Plugins are linked to a fixed address. You cannot run more than one at a time without chaning that concept |
| 02:19:57 | Kronuz | amiconn: yes, a new API would be needed and what it seems impossible would only represent some degree of complexity, but at the end it could be done |
| 02:19:58 | amiconn | ...and wasting ram in the course |
| 02:20:05 | RoC_MM | and time |
| 02:20:20 | RoC_MM | WPS already works fine, no need to spend time making it a plugin. |
| 02:20:44 | amiconn | The wps parser is in urgent need of a rework |
| 02:20:57 | amiconn | ..but that's another story |
| 02:21:03 | Mikachu | i like how it reparses the whole wps on every screen update |
| 02:21:05 | Kronuz | Mikachu: well, I just have a bunch of ideas, what can I say... it's a gift |
| 02:21:10 | Kronuz | j/k |
| 02:22:00 | amiconn | Kronuz: Many things can be done, the question is whether it's desirable doing them |
| 02:22:05 | Kronuz | besides, I come from the OO world, so that's why I have these "modular" object oriented thoughts |
| 02:22:24 | amiconn | There are some basic concepts in rockbox, one of which is KISS |
| 02:22:44 | * | amiconn tries to stay far away from OO |
| 02:23:12 | Mikachu | new amiconn; |
| 02:23:13 | Kronuz | for me, you seem too pragmatic about rockbox design, that's all |
| 02:23:37 | Kronuz | but it's nothing wrong, I'm just too used to "idealistic designs" |
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| 02:24:02 | amiconn | Well, if you want to see how a flexible-but-complex design works, take a look at ipodlinux |
| 02:24:16 | Kronuz | (and idealistically it would be better if the WPS was a plugin) |
| 02:24:30 | amiconn | The rockbox design is far from ideal |
| 02:24:37 | Kronuz | :) |
| 02:24:41 | Mikachu | crazy swedish design |
| 02:24:55 | amiconn | ...but it works fairly well, and doesn't waste resources |
| 02:25:01 | amiconn | (overall) |
| 02:25:08 | RoC_MM | has ipod battery life improved at all recently? |
| 02:25:13 | RoC_MM | for anyone? |
| 02:25:25 | amiconn | It won't improve magically |
| 02:25:47 | RoC_MM | i thought iPods were magical? |
| 02:25:48 | * | JdGordon is starting to take a back-flip on the makeing the wps a plugin idea |
| 02:25:52 | amiconn | No ipod specific work was done recently |
| 02:26:13 | Kronuz | yeah, rockbox rocks!! just that I'm a maniac probably with OCD... (as I was saying the other day) |
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| 02:26:23 | JdGordon | it will kill stuff that needs the pluginbuffer, i.e playlist-viewer, random folder search, etc |
| 02:26:28 | Kronuz | and I'm a bit from the "software engineering" "square" school of thought... so you put those together :P |
| 02:26:48 | sharpe | unless i magically understand all the things that drain battery life, and learned how to fix it, i didn't do anything with ipods... :) |
| 02:27:06 | Kronuz | anyway |
| 02:27:25 | Kronuz | hey, I saw that if you press the play button during reboot, it tries to find linux.bin |
| 02:27:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:27:38 | sharpe | that's how it works... |
| 02:27:38 | Kronuz | can you run the linux.bin from fat32? |
| 02:27:40 | amiconn | That's documented |
| 02:27:41 | Mikachu | that is a feature |
| 02:27:42 | Mikachu | yes |
| 02:27:51 | preglow | Mikachu: i love that about the wps too |
| 02:27:52 | Kronuz | hmm, I didn't know, that's cool too :) |
| 02:27:54 | Mikachu | but it will boot linux from the ext partition |
| 02:28:00 | Kronuz | oh |
| 02:28:05 | Kronuz | that's not so cool anymore :P |
| 02:28:10 | Mikachu | linux doesn't work on fat |
| 02:28:14 | Mikachu | unless you have it in a loop file |
| 02:28:18 | amiconn | linux itself is too stoopdid to run from fat32, but the rockbox bootloader can load the linux kernel from the fat prtition |
| 02:28:20 | Kronuz | that's what I thought |
| 02:28:20 | Mikachu | which is probably also not a good idea |
| 02:28:29 | Kronuz | but I was wondering ('cause the play button) |
| 02:28:55 | sharpe | i still have my bootloader that's customizable and isn't Loader2... hahah... |
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| 02:29:33 | * | amiconn should probably make a minimalistic bootloader |
| 02:29:49 | sharpe | what's not minimal about them now? |
| 02:29:58 | amiconn | Throw out all button and lcd stuff, and boot straight into rockbox |
| 02:30:06 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 02:30:11 | Mikachu | i think that will not save more than a few milliseconds |
| 02:30:23 | Mikachu | i made my bootloader skip drawing the text |
| 02:30:29 | Mikachu | and i made my rb logo an apple with a worm in |
| 02:30:33 | Mikachu | it looks funny when it boots |
| 02:30:38 | sharpe | then the i-only-use-rockbox-for-games-people wouldn't like you much amiconn... |
| 02:30:41 | Mikachu | the Apple apple suddenly gets a worm in it |
| 02:31:01 | amiconn | sharpe: Not as the cvs bootloader, but for myself |
| 02:31:09 | sharpe | ah, righto then. |
| 02:31:39 | Mikachu | amiconn: to decrease the filesize and increase speed that way? |
| 02:32:04 | preglow | to throw away time |
| 02:32:16 | preglow | not much else it will accomplish, that's for sure |
| 02:32:41 | Mikachu | it takes me more time to untangle the headphones than to boot rockbox so i don't care |
| 02:33:01 | preglow | the only overhead i can think of is the lcd drawing, and that has to be completely negligable |
| 02:33:38 | amiconn | Leaving all that stuff out will make the bootloader smaller -> less stuff for the apple loader to load |
| 02:34:01 | Mikachu | isn't it just a few kB? |
| 02:34:05 | preglow | i think we're still talking a magnitude of miliseconds here |
| 02:34:11 | amiconn | possibl |
| 02:34:12 | amiconn | e |
| 02:34:22 | MrStaticVoid | i am in removing the apple firmware completely |
| 02:34:26 | preglow | someday i'll remove retailos |
| 02:34:35 | preglow | and i think that shall be the extent of my boot time dealings |
| 02:34:35 | MrStaticVoid | ive heard things about a dummy file or different switches to ipod_fw |
| 02:34:46 | MrStaticVoid | but i cant seem to get it to work |
| 02:35:49 | preglow | i've heard that i need to sleep |
| 02:35:51 | preglow | gnight all |
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| 02:36:55 | Mikachu | gonatt |
| 02:36:56 | amiconn | MrStaticVoid: What ipod model? |
| 02:37:07 | MrStaticVoid | video |
| 02:37:11 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 02:37:21 | MrStaticVoid | with the dummy file i get a folder icon with a link to apple support |
| 02:37:24 | amiconn | I did remove retailos, but then I have a mini g2 |
| 02:37:29 | MrStaticVoid | and the -l switch doesnt make a difference |
| 02:38:20 | amiconn | I replaced apple_fw.bin with an empty file (only zeros). It needs a certain minimal size. 512 bytes should be enough |
| 02:38:49 | amiconn | I don't know whether this will work for the video, since the original firmware consists of 2 parts |
| 02:38:55 | MrStaticVoid | ah. mine was 1 byte |
| 02:38:55 | Kronuz | okay, I have to go now... I'll be thinking new great *crazy* ideas for rockbox :P |
| 02:39:02 | Kronuz | cya |
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| 03:00:04 | RoC_MM | with tagcache, if I delete a song off the HD on the computer, will tagcache notice that? I got it "loaded in RAM", so it says it will notice new songs "automatically", but what about deleted or moved songs? |
| 03:01:28 | PaulJam | currently deleted songs are not automatically removed from tagcache, you need to rebuild it. |
| 03:04:24 | RoC_MM | force tagcache rebuild |
| 03:04:26 | RoC_MM | k |
| 03:04:39 | RoC_MM | what about moved songs? |
| 03:04:49 | RoC_MM | nm |
| 03:04:51 | PaulJam | i guess the same |
| 03:05:30 | PaulJam | propably you need to delete the tcd files before forcing the update, but i'm not sure |
| 03:06:42 | smably | does anyone here have an H300 non-lcd remote? |
| 03:07:16 | PaulJam | i have a non lcd remote |
| 03:08:19 | smably | oh, nice |
| 03:08:33 | smably | would you be able to test the remote patch i'm working on in a few minutes? |
| 03:10:23 | PaulJam | i can test it, but i'm using several other patches, so the test results might be wrong. |
| 03:11:12 | smably | how about i send you the compiled version? |
| 03:11:37 | PaulJam | i prefer a patch |
| 03:12:13 | smably | ok, fair enough |
| 03:12:35 | PaulJam | but i will use a clean cvs checkout |
| 03:12:52 | sharpe | no more dirty cvses PaulJam. |
| 03:15:44 | sharpe | meh. i'm off to do something else. |
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| 03:19:54 | smably | ok, uploaded it here: http://quasi.ca/rockbox/h300-remote-buttons-3.09a2.diff |
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| 03:21:44 | smably | if the patch does what i hope it does, the REW/FF buttons on the non-lcd remote should work in the menu/filetree |
| 03:27:05 | PaulJam | ok, compiling now |
| 03:27:18 | smably | thanks for testing, btw! |
| 03:27:28 | PaulJam | did you make the diff in the apps dir? |
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| 03:27:51 | smably | i forget, but i can check |
| 03:28:19 | PaulJam | i had problems to apply the patch from the root dir of the source |
| 03:28:48 | smably | yeah, looks like i did |
| 03:30:55 | smably | i'm a bit of a n00b at this, so let me know if you have any suggestions or there's anything else i'm doing wrong |
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| 03:36:40 | PaulJam | in the filebrowser/menu play goes to the wps; >>| goes down in the list; |<< goes up in the list; vol+ and vol- do nothing |
| 03:37:00 | smably | oh, ok |
| 03:37:20 | PaulJam | correction: play only goes to wps in the browser |
| 03:37:37 | smably | thanks, that sounds about right |
| 03:38:02 | smably | do you happen to know what the button behavior is with cvs builds? |
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| 03:39:56 | PaulJam | the same, exept, that vol- acts like play + |<< (scroll left) and vol+ acts like play + >>| (scroll right) |
| 03:40:32 | PaulJam | or the other way around |
| 03:40:42 | smably | hmm, ok |
| 03:41:09 | smably | unfortunately i don't know the button layout very well, so i mapped them wrong in my test |
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| 03:41:26 | smably | do you think you could try another patch? |
| 03:41:37 | PaulJam | yes |
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| 03:41:57 | smably | one minute |
| 03:45:40 | smably | new patch uploaded: http://quasi.ca/rockbox/h300-remote-buttons-3.09a3.diff |
| 03:46:28 | smably | all i've done is swapped volume +/- with REW/FF |
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| 03:51:45 | PaulJam | Browser: vol- => down; vol+ => up; play => wps; |<< and >>| do nothing |
| 03:52:12 | smably | ok, good; that means my method works |
| 03:52:27 | PaulJam | Menu: same, but play also does nothing |
| 03:52:52 | smably | so, i'm able to map the buttons, but i don't really know what they should be mapped to |
| 03:54:26 | smably | what do you think of the default mapping? |
| 03:54:32 | PaulJam | i have no idea, the remote has not enough buttons. |
| 03:55:05 | PaulJam | can you recognize a long press of a button? |
| 03:55:08 | smably | yep |
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| 03:58:40 | smably | i think what i'm going to need is for someone to specify a desired button mapping for the non-lcd remote, as Genre9mp3 has done for the lcd one |
| 03:59:16 | PaulJam | i would prefer if the remote would always control audoi |
| 03:59:53 | smably | hmm, so you mean pressing REW/FF in the menu would skip tracks, etc? |
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| 04:00:27 | PaulJam | yes, but i think my opinion doesn't count |
| 04:00:36 | smably | heh, ok :) |
| 04:01:25 | PaulJam | can you detect simultaneous button presses, e.g. play + vol- or play + vol+ ? |
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| 04:02:27 | smably | i'm not sure about that; i know that on the main keypad the only combos you can detect are play +[any button], but i don't know how the remote works |
| 04:03:38 | smably | i'm going to try it and see what happens |
| 04:03:43 | smably | (back soon) |
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| 04:06:11 | PaulJam_ | i think on the remote play is the only independent button |
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| 04:07:51 | PaulJam | i think at least two buttoncombos would be neccesary to enter the filetree and the menu from the wps. |
| 04:09:27 | smably | yeah, it would be tricky |
| 04:10:03 | smably | also, how physically hard is it to press a button combo on your remote? |
| 04:10:43 | smably | i mean, the only combo that you can realistically press on the h300-lcd remote is PLAY + STOP |
| 04:13:27 | PaulJam | play + >>| and play + |<< are easy to press, play + vol+/vol- are a bit harder, but still possible |
| 04:14:30 | PaulJam | I would prefer play + vol+/vol- because it is unlikeley that you press them accidently |
| 04:15:35 | smably | ok, so assuming we can detect play combos, i could map play + vol- to menu and play + vol+ to filetree (or vice versa) |
| 04:18:58 | PaulJam | yes, but the behaviour of the play button on the remote would need to be changed to allow a buttoncombo: now it instantly goes to pause/unpause if you press it, for a buttoncombo it would be propably better if it would act on the release of the button. |
| 04:19:31 | smably | sure, that's no big deal |
| 04:19:32 | PaulJam | like the play button on the main unit |
| 04:19:44 | smably | yeah, makes sense for the sake of consistency anyway |
| 04:21:06 | smably | i think what i'll do for now is post the patch with incomplete non-lcd remote support, get users of the remote to agree on their desired button mapping, and release a final version once that's been determined |
| 04:21:29 | smably | maybe someone could even start a thead at MR asking people how they'd like the buttons mapped |
| 04:23:30 | PaulJam | if you upload the patch, please make the diff from the rockbox folder (not apps) to avoid confusion. |
| 04:24:17 | smably | sure, i'll make sure to do that |
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| 05:56:39 | bushblowz | bak\IDR_FIRMWARE is the actually rockbox software right |
| 05:56:48 | bushblowz | it goes in my ipods root before installing |
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| 06:25:58 | bushblowz | is anyone here |
| 06:27:08 | jnc | i happen to be looking |
| 06:27:45 | bushblowz | is rockbox-2.5-install.exe the same as installer.bat |
| 06:28:42 | jnc | i dont know, it was easy to do from linux though |
| 06:28:52 | bushblowz | was it |
| 06:29:02 | bushblowz | i might just haft to boot into knoppix then |
| 06:29:11 | jnc | you type stuff, and it works |
| 06:29:28 | jnc | i dont jnow how it coul get easier than that |
| 06:29:33 | bushblowz | cause i cant seem to find the installer.bat that it says i need |
| 06:29:56 | jnc | wow... it's interesting to type on a zaurus |
| 06:30:12 | jnc | i'm messing up some letters |
| 06:30:30 | bushblowz | lol those things are cool |
| 06:30:35 | jnc | dontcha jnow |
| 06:30:38 | bushblowz | but i persoally like the HP jornada a little better |
| 06:30:43 | jnc | ;oP |
| 06:30:47 | jnc | yeah |
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| 06:30:58 | jnc | zaurus is a pain in the arse |
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| 06:31:22 | bushblowz | lol |
| 06:31:22 | jnc | i am keeping it as a mobile kismet and spreadsheet platform |
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| 06:32:04 | bushblowz | nice |
| 06:32:10 | jnc | i really would go for a nokia770 with the lcd from a sony psp |
| 06:32:21 | jnc | jnow what i mean? |
| 06:32:59 | bushblowz | ya that would be nice |
| 06:33:48 | bushblowz | i am thinking about trying out the modchip they made for the PSP |
| 06:33:55 | bushblowz | see if it is worth anything |
| 06:34:15 | jnc | oh? |
| 06:34:24 | bushblowz | havnt you heard about that |
| 06:34:26 | jnc | 23:34:30 up 62 days, 21:15, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 06:34:50 | jnc | i felt compelled to brag about my z's uptime |
| 06:35:01 | scorche | jnc: i was working on over a year and 2 months, but my cat hit ctrl-alt-del |
| 06:35:09 | jnc | gahhh |
| 06:35:13 | jnc | cats! |
| 06:35:19 | scorche | no kidding |
| 06:35:55 | jnc | cats and i are at odds |
| 06:36:16 | bushblowz | scorche are you good with rockbox |
| 06:36:20 | jnc | those feline animals seem to know when i am root uid 0 |
| 06:36:35 | jnc | then they mess with my keyboard |
| 06:36:38 | scorche | bushblowz: how exactly is one "good at rockbox"? |
| 06:36:47 | bushblowz | well i mean could you help me |
| 06:36:50 | bushblowz | i will say that |
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| 06:37:17 | bushblowz | is rockbox-2.5-install the same as installer.bat |
| 06:37:29 | scorche | if you ask the question, someone will get to you eventually = |
| 06:37:43 | scorche | where did you get installer.bat from? |
| 06:37:50 | bushblowz | some read me |
| 06:38:29 | bushblowz | nm i am on the rockbox page now |
| 06:38:34 | bushblowz | so i will just use it instead |
| 06:38:53 | jnc | bb: there is an unnaturally high expectation for the calibur of question being asked, before it will be answered plainly, that of which i have not yet seen from your present pool ;) |
| 06:39:20 | jnc | it's a good start though |
| 06:40:19 | jnc | the webpage has most of the information you would need in order to begin the rockbox installation on say, an iPod, in example |
| 06:40:35 | bushblowz | ok |
| 06:41:51 | jnc | asking "hey can you help me" sounds polite, one might think |
| 06:42:06 | jnc | it is not usually well received though |
| 06:42:49 | jnc | better questions indicate that you have or are presently reading, documentation |
| 06:43:09 | jnc | as you have now done :) |
| 06:43:38 | bushblowz | i was reading earlier |
| 06:43:46 | bushblowz | just a bad guide in my opinion |
| 06:44:09 | jnc | that may be a fair assessment |
| 06:44:31 | jnc | it is probably written for an audience of technical users |
| 06:45:06 | bushblowz | ya |
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| 06:48:17 | Yannni | hi |
| 06:52:52 | Yannni | someone want to help me? |
| 06:54:31 | scorche | Yannni: if you ask your question maybe =) |
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| 06:55:53 | Yannni | lol k |
| 06:56:20 | Yannni | i just tried to install rockbox but its still booting the iriver firmware |
| 06:56:38 | Yannni | so what could have i done wrong? |
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| 07:02:41 | JdGordon | well u did the install wrong :p |
| 07:03:03 | JdGordon | ..or your trying to turn it on with the ac plugged in |
| 07:05:35 | Yannni | hmm |
| 07:05:52 | Yannni | ok ima try to reflash it |
| 07:05:58 | Yannni | or should i not? |
| 07:07:32 | Yannni | hmm funny thing is i just plugged my usb in and it didnt start charging |
| 07:10:41 | bushblowz | when it calls for me to extact an unmodified firmware image from my updater what firmware image do i extract |
| 07:16:21 | Yannni | hmm i think i just found a problem with the firmwarepatcher |
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| 07:17:33 | bushblowz | nm that was a pointless questions |
| 07:18:39 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 07:19:11 | JdGordon | hey hardeep |
| 07:19:18 | hardeep | heya |
| 07:19:20 | Yannni | all i did to make it work was rename H300.hex that was already flashed on my player to h300.hex and tried flashing it again and now it works |
| 07:19:27 | JdGordon | i found my 25min mp3, i could ffwd through it with no probs |
| 07:19:30 | Jungti1234 | did ViewCVS update? |
| 07:19:36 | scorche | yes |
| 07:19:48 | hardeep | JdGordon: thanks... i'm waiting for a response from the person who originally reported the problem |
| 07:19:59 | hardeep | i haven't been able to reproduce with my files either |
| 07:20:10 | Yannni | so im happy but yall really need to look into that |
| 07:20:46 | Yannni | cause i was scared i did something wrong but i didnt |
| 07:23:04 | Yannni | and that wasnt nice of yall to scare me like that |
| 07:23:28 | scorche | >_> |
| 07:23:49 | Yannni | dont make faces at me i might get scared |
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| 07:24:10 | scorche | <_< |
| 07:24:13 | Yannni | hey |
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| 07:30:00 | Yannni | wow i must say i love the sound quality now |
| 07:30:59 | * | sadeness poor owner of unsupported yet device |
| 07:31:10 | bushblowz | i dont get why when i type ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin in CMD it tells me cannot open firmware image file bootpatition.bin |
| 07:31:58 | bushblowz | after i have extracted the fimrware image and renamed it to bootpartition.bin and put it in ipod_fw folder |
| 07:37:28 | amiconn | smably: The only independent button (i.e. the only button supporting combos) on the H100 remote and the H300 non-LCD remote is BUTTON_RC_ON |
| 07:37:32 | amiconn | On the H300 LCD remote it is BUTTON_RC_MENU |
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| 07:48:50 | markun | bushblowz: bootpaRtition.bin |
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| 07:50:47 | bushblowz | ty markun i will try that |
| 07:50:58 | Jungti1234 | wow |
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| 07:51:08 | markun | bushblowz: no, I was telling you you forgot an r |
| 07:51:30 | Jungti1234 | SRS earphone!! |
| 07:51:32 | bushblowz | oh |
| 07:51:54 | markun | At least you wrote the file is named bootpatition.bin (without r) |
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| 07:58:59 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 07:59:09 | Jungti1234 | textviewer support unicode? |
| 07:59:15 | Jungti1234 | ANSI code support? |
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| 08:01:06 | amiconn | Blargh, boogz 'r' us :( |
| 08:01:57 | amiconn | The gui list code broke archos remote handling in browser + menu. Settings don't seem to use remote buttons at all (on all targets with remotes) |
| 08:02:45 | * | amiconn wonders WHAT CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD is defined for |
| 08:02:50 | amiconn | *what |
| 08:03:35 | amiconn | I mean, it's highly unlikely to have, say, a target with a H100 keypad but an Ondio remote keypad, or? |
| 08:03:48 | amiconn | s/Ondio/Archos/ |
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| 08:06:39 | amiconn | Correction: settings remote buttons are also only broken on archos. Grmpf! |
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| 08:17:59 | bushblowz | i got rockbox running and feel stupid now lol, i apologize for bothering you guys so much tonight on my lack of motivation |
| 08:18:42 | markun | no problem man |
| 08:19:54 | bushblowz | now that i finished it wasnt that hard |
| 08:20:06 | bushblowz | i just didnt stop and think about what it was telling me to do |
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| 08:32:57 | Jungti1234 | markun |
| 08:33:07 | Jungti1234 | It doesn't support? |
| 08:35:00 | markun | ANSI? |
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| 08:41:04 | amiconn | Zagor: For some reason, cvs time is off by an hour |
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| 08:45:49 | scorche | amiconn: what timezone is it anyway? |
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| 08:56:14 | earHertz | bushblowz: what's your nick mean? |
| 08:57:32 | scorche | sexual innuendo? |
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| 09:00:41 | Zagor | amiconn: viewcvs or regular cvs? |
| 09:01:07 | amiconn | viewcvs |
| 09:01:35 | amiconn | I committed sth at 08:40 cest == 06:40 utc |
| 09:02:20 | amiconn | If you view apps/gui, it said I committed it at 05:38, 61 minutes ago |
| 09:03:08 | amiconn | Oh, and btw, the frontpage still shows ce(s)t instead of utc |
| 09:03:56 | Zagor | the frontpage is bagders script. i'll stick to looking at viewcvs :-) |
| 09:04:14 | amiconn | Didn't you plan to install + test viewvc? |
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| 09:06:02 | Zagor | yes I did, but I took the quick route yesterday and switched to a patched viewcvs that bagder had on the same server |
| 09:07:14 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Reading your desire for a stripped-down bootloader, you could go one step further and just write rockbox.bin to the firmware partition... |
| 09:08:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes, but then updating it isn't that simple... |
| 09:08:10 | amiconn | ipod_fw everytime... |
| 09:08:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: Make a plugin to do it like the flashing one for Archos\ |
| 09:08:43 | linuxstb_ | No, but it's easily scriptable. |
| 09:09:09 | linuxstb_ | I use a "mount ; unzip ; umount" script to install rockbox now anyway. |
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| 09:09:17 | amiconn | On windows?? |
| 09:09:31 | linuxstb_ | Of course not :) |
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| 09:10:19 | linuxstb_ | I'm just saying it will give you the fastest theoretical bootup without flashing. |
| 09:10:45 | * | amiconn wants rockbox in flash :/ |
| 09:11:00 | amiconn | On iriver it should be actually possible with a bit of work |
| 09:11:37 | amiconn | On ipod, many things are missing/unknown which would be required :( |
| 09:11:56 | amiconn | (hardware inits, usb stack, ...) |
| 09:12:17 | linuxstb_ | Yes, there's a long way to go before we can think about flashing. |
| 09:12:42 | linuxstb_ | I assume Paul_The_Nerd hasn't heard back from Portalplayer? |
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| 09:12:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have not |
| 09:13:04 | * | amiconn wonders about the result of Slasheri's (Flasheri's) experiments |
| 09:13:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | They haven't said anything to me at all. I think I'll ask politely on Friday for a confirmation as to whether they've received and read my email. |
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| 09:14:00 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe it would be good time soon to prepare the flashing code for commit |
| 09:14:49 | Slasheri | and do some little patching to the bootloader to detect if there is rockbox flashed so it can load it automatically |
| 09:15:35 | Slasheri | maybe rockbox could even update the flash contents automatically if it founds a newer version of the firmware from disk |
| 09:15:42 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Are you running Rockbox from flash? I've forgotten how far your experiments went. |
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| 09:15:59 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: yes, i have had it in flash (not at the moment though) |
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| 09:16:25 | Slasheri | and it can be run directly from flash or loaded in ram as the current version of rockbox is ran |
| 09:17:02 | Slasheri | however, running directly from flash there was earlier some problems with audio playback that caused rockbox to crash in about 30 min. or so |
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| 09:17:09 | Slasheri | not sure if that issue is still present |
| 09:18:49 | Slasheri | it's also safe to update the flash once the bootloader has been flashed because after that we don't need to touch the critical sections at all |
| 09:19:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can you have both stock and Rockbox in flash? |
| 09:19:50 | Slasheri | no, there is not enough room for both firmwares |
| 09:19:51 | amiconn | Slasheri: Similar method as we use on archos then. Sounds good |
| 09:20:46 | amiconn | (only that we have yet another safety net on archos that doesn't exist on iriver - the archos boot rom) |
| 09:21:16 | Slasheri | ah, but on iriver the bootloader should be almost as safe too |
| 09:21:31 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:21:55 | amiconn | On archos, the flash bootloader + bootbox do the same thing as the iriver bootloader does |
| 09:23:01 | amiconn | The boot rom is an additional safety (which isn't present on some boxes, btw). It's a mask rom built directly into the CPU, not erasable, with custom, archos-provided code |
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| 09:25:43 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting. at least archos is then nice target to try experimental code :) |
| 09:26:09 | amiconn | Yes, if you don't mind doing some minor hardware mod |
| 09:26:31 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, do you think it would be best to keep the bootloader at the end of flash as it's located currently? Then it wouldn't be necessary to create a separate bootloader to be used with the flash version |
| 09:27:29 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, the iriver firmware could be fit into the rom with compression (same way as we used to do on archos). But then we'd need a custom loader, because (afaik) the iriver firmware "scatters" itself across the RAM on startup |
| 09:28:02 | Slasheri | hmm, yep. a separate loader would be necessary then.. |
| 09:28:11 | Slasheri | and then we could even keep the firmware on disk |
| 09:28:18 | amiconn | I don't really see the point in keeping the iriver firmware on H1x0. It still makes sense on H300, because we can't do USBUTG yet |
| 09:28:38 | Slasheri | hehe, i don't see either :) |
| 09:28:38 | amiconn | Yes, RoLo the iriver firmware... |
| 09:28:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, there's not really anything left for the iRiver firmware to do but WMA |
| 09:28:51 | amiconn | Ah, yes, WMA |
| 09:28:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I don't think that's a very strong cause for keeping it in flash. |
| 09:28:59 | * | amiconn doesn't have one single wma track |
| 09:29:22 | * | linuxstb_ has one single wma track |
| 09:29:53 | amiconn | I sometimes use wma, but only in the form of streaming |
| 09:30:00 | Slasheri | and rockbox bootup will be faster and more convient when it's loaded in flash.. for example rockbox logo shows up immediately when you press the power button :) |
| 09:30:03 | amiconn | (www.sr.se) |
| 09:32:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it's not like Rockbox will *never* have WMA, nor is it like you HAVE to flash, anyway. |
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| 09:32:53 | Slasheri | and when rockbox is flashed, we can use the whole eeprom too |
| 09:33:24 | Slasheri | that is nice as it might be possible to make bootup little faster by loading dircache from previous state from disk |
| 09:33:29 | petur | which reminds me I should finish that eeprom driver :/ |
| 09:33:39 | Slasheri | hmm, i have the reading working |
| 09:33:48 | petur | you have? |
| 09:33:50 | Slasheri | yes |
| 09:34:02 | petur | nice, it was still unstable here |
| 09:34:27 | Slasheri | ah, i had also some stability problems with it but i think that has been now fixed.. |
| 09:34:36 | Slasheri | i will do some more testing soon and commit that |
| 09:34:53 | * | petur scraps eeprom work |
| 09:35:24 | petur | Slasheri: I started on it to try to figure out why we are corrupting retailos settings |
| 09:35:39 | Slasheri | oh, interesting |
| 09:36:09 | Slasheri | probably rockbox write some garbage to the eeprom when it crashes or something like that |
| 09:36:39 | petur | I'm not even sure it needs to crash for it to do that |
| 09:36:46 | Slasheri | hmm |
| 09:37:25 | petur | and as we're not even trying to access the eeprom, it is a very weird problem |
| 09:37:36 | Slasheri | yep, true |
| 09:37:51 | Slasheri | hmm.. or probably the clock line is left floating.. |
| 09:38:09 | Slasheri | that might also cause the issue, not sure about that in what state it was initialized |
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| 09:41:16 | midkay | night, sharpe!! |
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| 09:44:41 | finik- | can I do float operations in rockbox on ipod video? |
| 09:44:59 | midkay | yes, technically, but it's STRONGLY discouraged and very slow. |
| 09:45:14 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but slowly. It will use gcc's soft-float library. |
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| 09:46:30 | finik- | linuxstb: do I need anything special to enable this mode or just use float double or whatever and it should compile and run? |
| 09:46:42 | linuxstb_ | It should just work. |
| 09:47:38 | linuxstb_ | But as midkay said, you should avoid floats if you can. |
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| 09:49:06 | finik- | I need it not for frequent operations, I think it should be ok |
| 09:49:41 | finik- | thanks |
| 09:49:46 | midkay | if you can find a way around with ints, it'd be a lot smaller/more efficient.. but *Shrugs* |
| 09:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you need it for, out of curiosity? |
| 09:51:01 | finik- | Paul_The_Nerd: the little project I was working on for to evenings, I even have already some kind of working demo |
| 09:51:21 | finik- | Paul_The_Nerd: it has something to do with google and maps (hint hint :) |
| 09:51:37 | finik- | I need to translate lat and long to x,y coordinates :) |
| 09:52:47 | finik- | I was working only by x,y, but first I can not corelate with real lat/long coordinates, and if I do zoom in and then zoom out I lose the point I was looking at |
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| 09:54:01 | finik- | if you can suggest how to perform this operation in integers I would be more than happy :) |
| 09:54:31 | linuxstb_ | If you implement it in floating point, I'm sure someone would optimise it for you at some point. |
| 09:55:28 | linuxstb_ | So you're writing a map viewer? |
| 09:55:37 | finik- | linuxstb: sounds good |
| 09:55:52 | finik- | linuxstb: I already wrote one :) |
| 09:55:57 | JdGordon | your crazy! |
| 09:55:59 | finik- | linuxstb: 2.5 evenings |
| 09:56:01 | JdGordon | but coooooool :D |
| 09:56:02 | finik- | :) |
| 09:56:03 | linuxstb_ | Big question - where do you get the maps from? |
| 09:56:46 | finik- | linuxstb: I personally get it from google, although I think it is kind of illegal |
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| 09:57:10 | JdGordon | how much disk space would all the maps take? |
| 09:57:25 | finik- | currently I just did only proof of concept, I have earth tiles for zoom levels 16 15 and 14 |
| 09:58:36 | finik- | basically zoom 16 iz 2x2 tiles, zoom 15 iz 4x4, zoom 14 iz no, not 8x8, but close, 7x7 and so on, you can guess where it is going |
| 09:58:57 | finik- | although they don't have all the tiles themselves anyway |
| 09:59:19 | finik- | for example on zoom level 8 you stop seeing antarctica, and I guess a lot of other places |
| 09:59:45 | finik- | personally the original idea was just to get me a map of San Francisco |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:06 | finik- | since I get lost there every time :) |
| 10:00:18 | linuxstb_ | So you downloaded the entire earth? |
| 10:00:29 | finik- | no, I am not crazy :) |
| 10:00:36 | petur | a map viewer for tomtom maps would be nice |
| 10:00:56 | finik- | I said, currently I donwloaded only high level zoom 16, 15 and 14 |
| 10:01:11 | finik- | whole earth picture |
| 10:01:25 | finik- | and I converted it to bmp |
| 10:01:27 | linuxstb_ | petur: Is the format known? |
| 10:01:33 | petur | nope |
| 10:01:45 | finik- | since noone ported libpng yet |
| 10:02:21 | finik- | I guess tomtom is vector graphics |
| 10:02:27 | petur | it is |
| 10:03:41 | linuxstb_ | finik-: libpng would be a lot slower and more memory-hungry than bmp anyway. |
| 10:04:22 | * | theli_ua wants to go on roger waters concert on 8th july here :D |
| 10:04:46 | finik- | linuxstb: yes, but you can't compare the disk usage, you know there are very few colors in those tiles, and the pixels are repeating a lot |
| 10:05:41 | finik- | it's a waste to spend 66K on each 256x256 tile |
| 10:06:17 | finik- | when in png they occupy 2-3K on average |
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| 10:09:37 | linuxstb_ | What bit-depth are your bmp files? |
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| 10:12:03 | markun | finik-: if you are just looking for hi-res pictures of the earth you can get them here for free: http://www.space-graphics.com/ |
| 10:12:58 | finik- | linuxstb: 256x256x8 |
| 10:13:03 | finik- | markun: thanks |
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| 10:20:17 | linuxstb_ | finik-: Don't forget that a 2KB file will use 32KB of disk space though... |
| 10:23:11 | finik- | linuxstb: is it really the case? |
| 10:23:33 | finik- | linuxstb: 32k clusters? |
| 10:24:31 | linuxstb_ | It depends on your cluster size of course, but I think 32KB is normal. |
| 10:25:40 | finik- | in that case png to bmp is only 1/3 ratio :( |
| 10:25:51 | linuxstb_ | I think you can use 16KB clusters for partitions up to 32GB with FAT32. |
| 10:26:28 | linuxstb_ | Above 32GB., the minimum is 32KB |
| 10:27:28 | crwl | i think i have 32 kB clusters on my 20 gig partition |
| 10:27:41 | linuxstb_ | You could probably gain a lot by using a custom image format with simple compression - i.e. one large file. |
| 10:27:56 | crwl | but hum, looks like i'm wrong |
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| 10:29:46 | finik- | linuxstb: yeah, probably, I'm not worrying about it for now ,seems my coordinates conversion doesnt' work at all :( |
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| 10:33:57 | petur | can somebody confirm google is down? |
| 10:34:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | It works for me |
| 10:34:11 | midkay | it's not though. |
| 10:34:25 | petur | weird |
| 10:34:40 | JdGordon | working fine here |
| 10:34:40 | petur | I can get to all sites, but not google :/ |
| 10:34:58 | B4gder | their petur filter is enabled! |
| 10:35:06 | petur | argh |
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| 10:36:22 | petur | now I got a google server error so there must be something |
| 10:36:45 | B4gder | you have a google.be ? |
| 10:36:56 | petur | tried several ones |
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| 10:37:09 | petur | ah... works again |
| 10:41:50 | markun | petur: I also had trouble loading google |
| 10:42:31 | petur | so they route traffic to certain servers no matter what server you typed... |
| 10:47:05 | amiconn | Slasheri: Your eeprom driver will probably collide with the pcf50605 driver on H300. The eeprom and the pcf use the same i2c bus. |
| 10:52:44 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, interesting. but then the eeprom chip must have a different address |
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| 10:54:57 | amiconn | yes |
| 10:55:18 | amiconn | Maybe you and petur can work on combining the drivers |
| 10:55:35 | Slasheri | hmm, true |
| 10:55:38 | Slasheri | sounds good |
| 10:58:15 | petur | mine actually used parts of the pcf50605 driver (I admit, it was a hack) |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:13 | Slasheri | but maybe the first thing to do might be to add detection to the bootloader so if it founds rockbox has been flashed, then it will default to flash instead of disk |
| 11:06:28 | * | B4gder updated http://download.rockbox.org/movies/ |
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| 11:09:11 | * | preglow loves flash embedded movies |
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| 11:09:24 | preglow | perhaps when macromedia makes a 64 bit plugin i can view them too |
| 11:09:47 | B4gder | youtube has a bunch of rockbox videos now |
| 11:11:06 | petur | is there a rockbox group on youtube? |
| 11:11:15 | amiconn | preglow: There's a flash player in debian-amd64 |
| 11:11:27 | B4gder | petur: I don't know, I just searched for rockbox |
| 11:11:33 | amiconn | ...but it doesn't work as good as the macromedia one |
| 11:12:33 | petur | if you make a group, eveybody can add their movies to that group and you just link to the group page |
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| 12:05:05 | juxtap | can anyone recommend a program that will scale down .jpg files and convert them to .bmp? (for album art) |
| 12:05:23 | PaulJam | IrfanView |
| 12:05:45 | juxtap | ta |
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| 12:26:57 | Acksaw | has anyone here got a pure .hex file for the h320 with the latest bootloader? pure meaning not edited in anyway apart from being patched for rockbox |
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| 12:31:31 | PaulJam | Acksaw: you could look here: http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=148 |
| 12:31:47 | Acksaw | cheers |
| 12:32:29 | PaulJam | why don't you patch yourself? |
| 12:32:40 | Acksaw | the patcher doesnt work for me |
| 12:32:46 | Acksaw | me and linus went through it ages ago |
| 12:32:53 | Acksaw | did cheksums and everything |
| 12:32:57 | Acksaw | whats this 1.29 us? |
| 12:33:20 | Acksaw | i dont know which to download |
| 12:33:26 | Acksaw | >>Download H320/340 Firmware V1.29 KR-Version<< |
| 12:33:31 | Acksaw | is that one already patched? |
| 12:34:13 | PaulJam | >>Download H320/340 Bootloader V5 EU-Version<< or >>Download H320/340 Bootloader V5 KR-Version<< |
| 12:35:13 | Acksaw | so, thats patched already |
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| 12:35:45 | PaulJam | yes, these two are patched (at least the page says so) |
| 12:36:06 | Acksaw | theres 2 .hex's in the rar |
| 12:36:38 | PaulJam | rar? i only see links to zips |
| 12:36:41 | Acksaw | ah i know which is which :) |
| 12:36:44 | Acksaw | zip/rar |
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| 12:38:52 | Acksaw | upgrading now |
| 12:39:54 | Acksaw | done! |
| 12:44:47 | Acksaw | when i load a .wps |
| 12:44:53 | Acksaw | the font colour doesnt change |
| 12:44:55 | Acksaw | anyideas? |
| 12:45:21 | PaulJam | it is better to load a theme via the load theme menu entry |
| 12:45:33 | Acksaw | thats what i did |
| 12:45:39 | Acksaw | the Browse Themes area |
| 12:46:11 | PaulJam | then the theme propably doesnt specify a font colour |
| 12:46:30 | Acksaw | ah |
| 12:46:34 | Acksaw | i think it used to |
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| 12:47:13 | Genre9mp3 | Acksaw: Which theme are you trying to load? |
| 12:48:05 | Acksaw | Ajant |
| 12:48:24 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 12:49:00 | Acksaw | gonna try a few others |
| 12:49:17 | PaulJam | it could be that the ajant theme uses the old colour format |
| 12:49:46 | Acksaw | ah |
| 12:50:22 | PaulJam | you can open the .cfg file in the .rockbox/themes/ folder and edit it: |
| 12:50:48 | juxtap | i have the same problem... when i select a new theme it uses the font colour of the last them loaded |
| 12:50:48 | PaulJam | foreground color: 7BC7C6 |
| 12:51:14 | PaulJam | and background color: 212000 |
| 12:51:36 | PaulJam | the .cfg file id a normal text file. |
| 12:51:44 | PaulJam | id => is |
| 12:53:16 | * | Genre9mp3 wants the generated theme files in CVS specify colours as well |
| 12:55:00 | PaulJam | btw, does someone have a formula how to convert rgb values from 0-255 to the rockbox colour format? |
| 12:56:36 | B4gder | Genre9mp3: I agree it should |
| 12:56:36 | Acksaw | my album art doesnt load |
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| 12:56:49 | JdGordon | PaulJam: RGB_PACK() or something like that |
| 12:56:51 | B4gder | PaulJam: there's a macro for that |
| 12:57:12 | Acksaw | argh |
| 12:57:14 | PaulJam | i meant the value in the cfg file |
| 12:57:18 | Acksaw | the font aint changing auto |
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| 12:57:50 | PaulJam | Acksaw: have you downloaded the fonts pack? |
| 12:57:50 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: I remember doing that with Photoshop, but sure must be another way |
| 12:57:57 | Acksaw | dont think so |
| 12:58:06 | Acksaw | link? |
| 12:58:36 | PaulJam | Acksaw: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=fonts |
| 12:59:02 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: The Eyedropper tool in Photoshop has a "Copy Colour as HTML" option |
| 12:59:16 | markun | "Rockbox for Fonts" :) |
| 12:59:41 | B4gder | ya ya ya |
| 12:59:43 | B4gder | ;-) |
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| 13:00:51 | markun | B4gder: can you remove http://www.rockbox.org/lang/ and http://www.rockbox.org/fonts/ ? |
| 13:00:56 | Acksaw | still isnt changing.. |
| 13:00:57 | B4gder | yessir! |
| 13:01:33 | B4gder | maybe we should redirect to alternative pages instead of just remove |
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| 13:01:40 | markun | yes, that would be better |
| 13:02:03 | markun | redirect the lang page to viewcvs? |
| 13:02:26 | B4gder | or even http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles |
| 13:02:31 | markun | ah yes |
| 13:02:42 | Acksaw | how do i take a screendumo |
| 13:02:47 | Acksaw | so i can show you guys |
| 13:03:08 | Acksaw | found it |
| 13:04:05 | JdGordon | iv just realised the colour-picker screen displays on the lcd remote but doesnt work... do i redo the screen to look sane on the remote or ignore it complety (because the remote is b+w) ? |
| 13:04:21 | Acksaw | http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4640/dump0401251432559nb.png |
| 13:04:24 | markun | B4gder: are there more of these outdated pages? |
| 13:04:30 | Acksaw | anyone got any ideas why its not working |
| 13:04:41 | B4gder | markun: I bet! |
| 13:05:00 | PaulJam | Acksaw: this wps requires a patched build |
| 13:05:06 | Acksaw | yeh? |
| 13:05:06 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/ for example... |
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| 13:06:56 | markun | B4gder: perhaps this should be move to the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/playerhistory/ |
| 13:07:04 | B4gder | yes indeed |
| 13:07:27 | PaulJam | Acksaw: there are several patches required for this wps, e.g. scrolling text margins, album art... |
| 13:08:01 | Acksaw | kk |
| 13:08:11 | Acksaw | will they all be in KOSH's experimental? |
| 13:08:23 | PaulJam | i think so |
| 13:08:37 | Acksaw | http://rockbox.audiostuff.info/ |
| 13:08:40 | Acksaw | anyideas which to get |
| 13:08:42 | Acksaw | its confusing.. |
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| 13:09:24 | markun | B4gder: http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ :) |
| 13:09:28 | PaulJam | i'm not sure, but i would take the latest |
| 13:09:31 | B4gder | haha |
| 13:09:57 | markun | And now it's even not a joke anymore |
| 13:10:04 | Genre9mp3 | markun: LOL |
| 13:10:18 | Acksaw | i dont even know which one is the latest |
| 13:11:21 | JdGordon | WTF is this code about :p (me learns once again to comment his code..) |
| 13:11:34 | markun | Acksaw: how can you not know? There is a version number and a date, right? |
| 13:11:46 | Acksaw | idk |
| 13:19:07 | JdGordon | grr... wy doesnt my screen show on the lcd in the sim but it does on the player? |
| 13:20:35 | JdGordon | double grr... who was the naughty person who commited my colour picker screen? full of bugs :D |
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| 13:34:54 | JdGordon | can u simultae the remote keys in the sim? |
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| 13:38:25 | JdGordon | anyone around still?? |
| 13:39:28 | petur | boo |
| 13:40:04 | JdGordon | are fixes for the remote acceptable for 3.0? |
| 13:40:21 | JdGordon | i mean gettins screens working on it |
| 13:40:26 | petur | I think so, yes |
| 13:40:38 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 13:40:48 | JdGordon | fixed the color picker, now im gonna fix the vkeyboard |
| 13:44:23 | JdGordon | actually... i tihnk ill pass on the vkeyboard for now :p |
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| 13:44:56 | sadeness | what is vkeyboard? |
| 13:45:51 | petur | used for entering text (filenames,..) |
| 13:46:12 | sadeness | touch screen? |
| 13:46:27 | sadeness | or joystick fun? :-D |
| 13:46:44 | petur | joystick / keys |
| 13:47:04 | petur | there's no player with touchscreen (yet) |
| 13:47:30 | sadeness | ok. thanks. |
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| 13:52:32 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Apart from the #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD typo, what was the problem with the remote support in the colour picker? |
| 13:57:14 | petur | linuxstb_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5584 |
| 13:57:31 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I've seen the patch, but I don't understand the changes. |
| 13:58:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: make that screen work on the lcd remote, also there was wrong #ifdefs on it |
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| 13:58:37 | JdGordon | sorry, didnt read your first msg.. ye the screen didnt work at all on the remote lcd, now it does |
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| 14:03:25 | linuxstb_ | Was the problem that with a large font, you didn't see all three sliders on the remote? |
| 14:06:35 | JdGordon | no, even witht he system font you cant see all 3 sliders on the lcd |
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| 14:14:03 | * | petur kicks firefox |
| 14:15:10 | theli_ua | petur, you shouldn't .. it can bite you |
| 14:16:40 | petur | I keep it behind glass (the monitor) :) |
| 14:17:11 | theli_ua | poor animal :( |
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| 14:57:13 | JdGordon | is it only the irivers that support a remote so far? |
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| 14:58:06 | smably | nope, archos recorders seem to as well |
| 14:58:20 | linuxstb_ | I think the X5 has one. And I hope to one day add video-out support on the ipods - which will mean a second screen on those targets. |
| 14:58:28 | B4gder | the x5 has one, yes |
| 14:58:57 | B4gder | 2bit slightly bigger resolution than the iriver ones |
| 14:59:20 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/2remotes.jpg |
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| 15:00:19 | JdGordon | ok, so ive got some more key mappings to fix up :p |
| 15:00:44 | B4gder | rockbox doesn't support the x5 one yet |
| 15:00:45 | JdGordon | out of curiosity, can u use the x5 remote with the iriver? and vice verca? |
| 15:00:51 | B4gder | nope |
| 15:00:57 | JdGordon | oh well |
| 15:00:59 | B4gder | they have different plugs |
| 15:01:06 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 15:01:22 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Maybe the #ifdefs surrounding the remote keys in the switch statement should check for that particular key definition, and not the use the HAVE_LCD_REMOTE define at all. |
| 15:01:32 | JdGordon | ye, done that |
| 15:01:41 | B4gder | and since the x5 is 2 bit it would be hard to imagine the same code working for both |
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| 15:03:10 | smably | JdGordon: what are you working on? |
| 15:05:19 | JdGordon | fixing some screens that dont work with the remotes |
| 15:06:23 | ashridah | yay |
| 15:06:33 | * | ashridah hands JdGordon a cookie |
| 15:06:40 | JdGordon | mmmm cookie :D |
| 15:07:01 | ashridah | the less often i have to take the main unit out of my pocket, the better |
| 15:07:07 | petur | lol... I'm just eating some :) |
| 15:07:27 | smably | woot @ JdGordon |
| 15:07:56 | ashridah | anyway, i'm hitting the sack. got my last exam done today (finally ffs), and now i've just got 35 shell scripting assignments to mark, and i'm all done for this semester |
| 15:08:05 | ashridah | (just in time to start NEXT semester's preparation work :S) |
| 15:08:35 | JdGordon | haha, nice |
| 15:08:45 | * | JdGordon 's last exam is tomorow |
| 15:08:56 | ashridah | yeah, well, i did kinda agree to write the labs and all. my own damned fault, really. :) |
| 15:10:00 | ashridah | (still, gives me an excuse to play with 18 sun machines all holidays :) ) |
| 15:10:08 | ashridah | mmm. sun opteron workstations. |
| 15:10:45 | * | petur spots 18 potential buildservers ;) |
| 15:11:02 | B4gder | haha |
| 15:11:03 | ashridah | petur: unfortunately, they're not internet connected in any way |
| 15:11:25 | * | B4gder spots lots of work for ashridah to copy the builds to each server |
| 15:11:25 | ashridah | besides, the TSG would notice the unusual bandwidth usage patterns, they're VERY quick |
| 15:11:53 | ashridah | B4gder: hah, i'd probably just string a hidden serial cable to another machine someplace and have it do UUCP or something bizarre like that :) |
| 15:12:00 | ashridah | wouldn't really be too effective |
| 15:12:10 | B4gder | you think? :-] |
| 15:12:36 | JdGordon | grr... i somehow broke the equalizer screen :'( |
| 15:12:43 | ashridah | anyway |
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| 15:13:17 | JdGordon | hehe, forgot to take out the i++ at the end of the while loop when i changed it to for :p |
| 15:18:55 | JdGordon | patch submitted... |
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| 15:28:07 | * | smably is confused |
| 15:29:17 | JdGordon | congrats :D |
| 15:29:38 | smably | heh |
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| 15:36:56 | * | smably gives up and does something useful |
| 15:51:22 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Looking at your remote patches, I'm not sure why you are using separate functions for the remote. Could you just use one function which adapts to the characteristics of the current screen? |
| 15:53:35 | JdGordon | yes for the color picker, not easily for the eq.. |
| 15:54:37 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: i figured it would still be easier to maintain if it was seperated. |
| 15:55:33 | JdGordon | anyway, bed time, cyaz |
| 15:55:35 | linuxstb_ | But there's a lot of duplicated code in the two draw_eq_slider functions... Also, the main screen could be an Archos screen in the future... |
| 15:56:34 | JdGordon | ok, well i wont be around much tomorow or saturday and then not at all till wednedsay, but there is no rush, so if u dont like it no worries, ill redo them late next week |
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| 15:56:55 | JdGordon | ... unless someone beats me to it... |
| 15:56:56 | JdGordon | :D |
| 15:57:00 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 16:20:57 | jimbo | hi guys Rockbox sounds great but how do you build the ipod_fw Linux binary from the install guide? |
| 16:21:26 | B4gder | gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 16:21:41 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KenWood <-is this wiki spam? |
| 16:21:48 | XavierGr | look at the link down below |
| 16:22:01 | petur | eow |
| 16:22:03 | B4gder | is indeed |
| 16:22:32 | XavierGr | 3 links from him |
| 16:24:38 | B4gder | electronm.khakassia.ru |
| 16:25:15 | jimbo | thanks B4gder but that doesnt seem to work, iv installed kernel-headers is there anything else i might need? as for the wiki link...? |
| 16:25:27 | B4gder | what doesn't work? |
| 16:25:56 | jimbo | gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 16:26:02 | B4gder | what happens? |
| 16:26:58 | * | B4gder blocks the spammer's ip |
| 16:27:59 | preglow | jimbo: what does gcc say when you do that? |
| 16:28:10 | preglow | we need more dtails than 'doesnt work' |
| 16:29:01 | jimbo | Just a whole load of errors! for example |
| 16:29:06 | jimbo | $ gcc-4.0 -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
| 16:29:06 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:25:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:06 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:26:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:06 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jimbo |
| 16:29:06 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:27:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:06 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:28:19: error: errno.h: No such file or directory |
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| 16:29:06 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:29:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:29:08 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c: In function Б─≤print_imageБ─≥: |
| 16:29:10 | B4gder | wow |
| 16:29:10 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:98: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function Б─≤printfБ─≥ |
| 16:29:12 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c: In function Б─≤usageБ─≥: |
| 16:29:14 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:109: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function Б─≤printfБ─≥ |
| 16:29:16 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c: At top level: |
| 16:29:16 | B4gder | that's a bad compiler install |
| 16:29:18 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c:134: error: syntax error before Б─≤*Б─≥ token |
| 16:29:19 | linuxstb_ | Enough! :) |
| 16:29:20 | jimbo | ipod_fw.c: In function Б─≤copysumБ─≥: |
| 16:29:26 | preglow | have you installed build-essential? |
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| 16:29:34 | jimbo | ill check |
| 16:29:49 | preglow | looks like you're lacking pretty much everything you can lack but gcc itself |
| 16:29:52 | linuxstb_ | Which Linux are you using? |
| 16:31:44 | jimbo | that sounds about right, Ubuntu. I didn't know about the build essential package oops |
| 16:31:48 | preglow | heh |
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| 16:31:52 | preglow | i love that package |
| 16:32:05 | preglow | gcc not being dependent on it is... retarded |
| 16:32:28 | linuxstb_ | I guess technically you can use gcc without it... |
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| 16:32:50 | jimbo | hmm ill defiantly keep it in mind in the future |
| 16:34:21 | preglow | they're not doing themselves any favours with that kind of foolishness |
| 16:34:34 | preglow | i'll bet they get a ton of questions about it |
| 16:35:45 | linuxstb_ | I installed Debian the other day, and I didn't need to specify build-essential. I think I only chose gcc. |
| 16:36:35 | B4gder | there's no "build-essential" in debian |
| 16:37:02 | B4gder | oh |
| 16:37:03 | B4gder | there is |
| 16:37:04 | linuxstb_ | There is in my debian... |
| 16:37:05 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 16:37:13 | B4gder | none of my machines have that installed |
| 16:37:21 | preglow | all i know is that ubuntu requires it |
| 16:37:31 | preglow | trying to compile without installing it isn't very productive |
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| 16:40:20 | jimbo | successful build! thanks you |
| 16:40:33 | B4gder | I have the 'libc6-dev' package installed for the headers |
| 16:40:38 | markun | B4gder: could you take a look at the firmware of the Meizu M6 if you have time? http://www.mmport.nl/meizu/download.html |
| 16:41:14 | markun | It has the same ARM9 as the iriver E10 and there are a lot of strings in the firmware update file |
| 16:41:24 | markun | but it doesn't look like valid ARM code to me |
| 16:41:38 | linuxstb_ | Is that one of the "secret" Samsung chips? |
| 16:41:42 | markun | yes |
| 16:42:07 | linuxstb_ | So I would expect the next ipods to be similar... |
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| 16:44:27 | markun | I think the Meizu M6 looks really nice. linuxstb, are you still looking for a flash based player or do you have a nano now? |
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| 16:46:55 | linuxstb_ | markun: I'm more interested in a huge (e.g. 160GB) capacity player than a flash based player. But there's also a lot of interesting stuff left to do on the ipods... |
| 16:47:14 | Mikachu | over the years, >5, i have only 25GB music |
| 16:47:19 | B4gder | markun: I don't have time right now, but it could be worth to check if it perhaps is thumb mode |
| 16:47:36 | markun | B4gder: I tried that as well |
| 16:47:36 | linuxstb_ | thumb was my first thought as well. |
| 16:47:39 | B4gder | as it seems to be unscrambled |
| 16:47:51 | B4gder | "Assertion failed: function %s line %d" |
| 16:48:02 | markun | but perhaps I'm doing something wrong |
| 16:48:15 | B4gder | I'll check some more later on, gotta go now |
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| 16:49:05 | linuxstb_ | Mikachu: I'm sure that would be bigger if you used FLAC... |
| 16:49:26 | petur | Is it just me or do more and more organizations start to distribute debug builds? |
| 16:50:32 | linuxstb_ | Maybe Rockbox should... |
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| 16:55:36 | XavierGr | ^lol |
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| 16:56:58 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: that is definitely so |
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| 17:12:08 | lamed | hello. |
| 17:13:45 | lamed | I'm editing a bash script file on winxp using devcpp, then when I try to run it right away on vmware player it says bad interpreter: tex file busy. anything i can do about this other then editing on vmware? |
| 17:16:12 | Mikachu | try "bash file.sh" |
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| 17:17:15 | lamed | mikachu: i'm writing "upsys". do you mean "bash upsys.sh"? -because there's no such file |
| 17:17:30 | Mikachu | by file.sh i mean the filename |
| 17:17:36 | Mikachu | so yeah, bash upsys |
| 17:17:52 | linuxstb_ | Does the file have DOS line endings? |
| 17:17:54 | Mikachu | is this over a samba share? |
| 17:18:01 | lamed | yeah |
| 17:18:05 | lamed | vmware uses samba |
| 17:18:16 | lamed | ..but I have #!/bin/bash |
| 17:18:45 | Mikachu | i don't think linux likes executing mmapped files |
| 17:19:02 | linuxstb_ | So is the file saved on the Linux disk or the Windows disk? |
| 17:20:35 | lamed | well, it frees the file a few seconds afterwards saving, so I guess it has some kind of a mechanizem (wouldn't dare guessing what is it.). linuxstb_ : vmware is a virtual machine, so its actually saved in an ntfs file. |
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| 17:21:24 | linuxstb_ | lamed: OK. But you could also use samba to export the Linux disk, and access it from windows as a network drive. |
| 17:21:58 | linuxstb_ | I think the Rockbox vmware image does that already. |
| 17:22:00 | lamed | mikachu: works! thanks! |
| 17:22:45 | lamed | linuxstb_ : I could also... do what it already does..? |
| 17:24:14 | linuxstb_ | I mean the Debian image will export its disk - you just need to access it from Windows. |
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| 17:32:46 | Mikachu | ahem |
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| 17:33:07 | Mikachu | linuxstb_: can you /b temporarily? |
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| 17:33:15 | lamed | that sucks. |
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| 17:34:01 | Mikachu | if you use irssi, /ignore Kohlrabi joins quits |
| 17:34:28 | Kohlrabi | um? |
| 17:34:40 | Mikachu | i was telling everyone else |
| 17:34:44 | Kohlrabi | I know |
| 17:34:46 | Kohlrabi | Sorry :( |
| 17:34:51 | Kohlrabi | How often was that? |
| 17:34:55 | Kohlrabi | Computer was unresponsive |
| 17:34:58 | Mikachu | ten times maybe |
| 17:35:03 | Kohlrabi | holycarp |
| 17:39:37 | lamed | can I do double conditions in one IF bash statement? if [ "$me" > 0 && "$me" < 47 ]; then ? |
| 17:40:09 | lamed | or do i have to break it down for two statements? |
| 17:40:30 | _FireFly_ | lamed: man test ;) |
| 17:40:34 | Mikachu | indeed |
| 17:40:39 | _FireFly_ | the [ is an symlink to test |
| 17:40:50 | Mikachu | if [ "$me" gt 0 -a "$me" lt 47];then i believe |
| 17:41:07 | Mikachu | -gt and -lt |
| 17:41:27 | Mikachu | _FireFly_: actually it isn't |
| 17:41:41 | Mikachu | 27K 2006-05-23 01:54 '/usr/bin/[' |
| 17:41:43 | Mikachu | 25K 2006-05-23 01:54 /usr/bin/test |
| 17:43:05 | preglow | i bloody LOVE the fact that [ is a program |
| 17:43:06 | _FireFly_ | ok but at least it has the same syntax as test |
| 17:43:06 | preglow | hahahah |
| 17:43:26 | Mikachu | actually actually, it's also a builtin command in most shells, so that binary is very rarely called |
| 17:43:29 | Mikachu | it's just a failsafe |
| 17:43:44 | preglow | good |
| 17:44:09 | Mikachu | $ [ |
| 17:44:09 | Mikachu | bash: [: missing `]' |
| 17:44:13 | Mikachu | $ /usr/bin/[ |
| 17:44:13 | Mikachu | /usr/bin/[: missing `]' |
| 17:44:28 | Mikachu | and in zsh, % [ |
| 17:44:29 | Mikachu | and in zsh, [: ']' expected |
| 17:44:38 | Mikachu | hrm, why was that printed twice? |
| 17:44:53 | preglow | magic |
| 17:45:22 | lamed | no -a on "man test" |
| 17:45:25 | Mikachu | there is also [[ |
| 17:45:27 | lamed | i guess -a = and? |
| 17:45:30 | Mikachu | which is like [ but is only a builtin |
| 17:45:42 | Mikachu | lamed: it's the third entry from the top |
| 17:45:46 | Mikachu | EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2 |
| 17:45:46 | Mikachu | both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true |
| 17:45:48 | lamed | hehe.. |
| 17:46:44 | lamed | manpage: july 2004, ver 5.2.1. maybe it won't work... (-a isn't there really) |
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| 17:58:53 | webguest20 | hi... |
| 17:59:57 | webguest20 | someone here, who can help me? |
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| 18:00:56 | Mikachu | with? |
| 18:02:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:02:44 | * | linuxstb_ guesses an answer: Force it into disk mode. |
| 18:02:45 | webguest20 | i've a problem, in displaying the scrolling margins, while using 24 bit wps.. but i've already tried all experimental build from the moment, which have already the scrolling margins patch applied... |
| 18:02:54 | * | linuxstb_ loses |
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| 18:03:54 | webguest20 | and always cleared the settings... always the scroll bar.. while using a color wps, is not on the correct place.. , i don't know how to fix it.. searching for help atm.. |
| 18:04:17 | tucoz | Hi, is it just to delete the cygwin folder to get rid of that? |
| 18:05:20 | tucoz | get rid of cygwin that is |
| 18:06:00 | lamed | how do I NOT this statemet: "if [ -e sysfont.lang ]; then" ? |
| 18:06:33 | liyang | [ ! -e sysfont.lang ] |
| 18:06:41 | lamed | в°в░ в╒в∙в▒в⌠ |
| 18:06:44 | lamed | not working |
| 18:07:09 | liyang | At the shell prompt you'll have to escape the ! as \! |
| 18:07:13 | lamed | [! :command not found |
| 18:07:22 | lamed | it's in a file |
| 18:07:28 | MrStaticVoid | spaces are important |
| 18:07:44 | lamed | works |
| 18:07:48 | lamed | [ ! |
| 18:08:18 | lamed | hehe... thanks. (spaces are _really_ important in bash I see) |
| 18:09:48 | Mikachu | webguest20: i think you just found the meaning of experimental |
| 18:11:15 | lamed | but I still can't elif [ "$LANGUAGE_SYSFONT_ENTRIES" gt "0" -a "$LANGUAGE_SYSFONT_ENTRIES" lt "47" ]; then , so I guess test on the rockbox vmware virtual machine is really a bit old. |
| 18:11:38 | Mikachu | 17:40:55 <Mikachu> if [ "$me" gt 0 -a "$me" lt 47];then i believe |
| 18:11:38 | Mikachu | 17:41:13 <Mikachu> -gt and -lt |
| 18:12:37 | liyang | TIEM PARADOX: 17:11:38 < Mikachu> 17:40:55 <Mikachu> |
| 18:12:51 | Mikachu | haha |
| 18:12:59 | Mikachu | oh gnose, what will we do |
| 18:13:17 | liyang | causality crisis. Everybody panic. ;_; |
| 18:14:43 | lamed | actually, it turns out bash can handle < and > signs on the first statement, but it must use -lt on the second. 8) |
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| 18:15:33 | liyang | lamed: ORLY? Are you sure you don't have a random file named 47 or something in your current directory now? |
| 18:16:07 | liyang | (it's not bash, it's test/[ interpreting the -gt and -lt, and as far as I know test doesn't recognise < nor >) |
| 18:16:28 | Mikachu | and as i said earlier, [ and test are builtins in bash |
| 18:17:15 | lamed | liyang: ORLY? i'm not sure if it really turns out < and > like it should, but it doesn't complains.... |
| 18:17:27 | liyang | hopefully not to the extent that it doesn't behave with the usual command semantics... |
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| 18:59:06 | BoZZ | I got a question!! Sort of serious one too :) |
| 18:59:19 | preglow | then ask! |
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| 19:00:12 | BoZZ | I have Rockbox on my iRiver h140, I had it at a party and I duno if its something someone did or what, but its fucked itself |
| 19:00:35 | preglow | a bit more descriptive, please |
| 19:00:36 | BoZZ | and doesn't have a sound output, and slows right down (cpu wise) when a song is playing, (so menus take ages to open etc) |
| 19:00:53 | BoZZ | (thats the build up) |
| 19:01:04 | Hansmaulwurf | only in rockbox? |
| 19:01:13 | Hansmaulwurf | or with iriver FW too? |
| 19:01:19 | BoZZ | nah the old firmware too (i think its hardware related) |
| 19:01:28 | preglow | then yes |
| 19:01:30 | BoZZ | i have the warrenty, but i presume they won't repair it if its got 3rd party firmware (such as rockbox) |
| 19:01:31 | preglow | not much we can do |
| 19:01:37 | preglow | then remove rockbox |
| 19:01:48 | BoZZ | I have tried removing rockbox, but it still got the bootloader on |
| 19:02:05 | BoZZ | but just goes to the original firmware |
| 19:02:22 | Hansmaulwurf | can you start the iriver FW? |
| 19:02:34 | Febs | You need to flash a clean version of the iriver FW. (Clean = not patched with RB) |
| 19:02:43 | BoZZ | by holding record? or just in general |
| 19:02:45 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah |
| 19:02:53 | Hansmaulwurf | general |
| 19:02:59 | preglow | i don't know if flashing is safe at all in the state your box is in, but it's worth a shot |
| 19:03:00 | BoZZ | yeah, it loads up |
| 19:03:06 | crwl | didn't plugging a wrong charger cause something like that for someone? |
| 19:03:07 | BoZZ | just with the bootoader |
| 19:03:13 | Febs | [what preglow said] |
| 19:03:26 | Mikachu | dap at party = break |
| 19:03:30 | BoZZ | well, im not worried about fucking it over more, just that they wont repair it with rockbox on |
| 19:03:39 | Hansmaulwurf | then put a clean firmware on your player, start the iriver FW and flash the player with the clean one |
| 19:03:41 | preglow | then try flashing a clean firmware |
| 19:03:44 | Hansmaulwurf | and then send it to them |
| 19:03:44 | preglow | and remove all traces of rockbox |
| 19:03:48 | BoZZ | k |
| 19:03:51 | BoZZ | cheers guys |
| 19:04:05 | BoZZ | =] |
| 19:04:07 | Febs | How is it that you still have warranty on an H140 anyway? |
| 19:04:09 | Hansmaulwurf | and dont forget to delete the rockbox dir |
| 19:04:12 | BoZZ | it was plugged in all night |
| 19:04:19 | BoZZ | 2 year warrenty =) |
| 19:04:38 | Hansmaulwurf | Febs: in germany the H100 series was sold till the end of 2005 |
| 19:04:47 | Hansmaulwurf | and with 2 years warrenty |
| 19:04:50 | Febs | Ah. |
| 19:04:56 | linuxstb_ | As someone pointed out the other day: http://www.iriver.eu.com/rma_warranty.html |
| 19:05:00 | BoZZ | i got mine christmas 04 |
| 19:05:07 | BoZZ | from uk :) |
| 19:05:12 | Mikachu | all devices have two years warranty by law in sweden if i'm not mistaken |
| 19:05:17 | Hansmaulwurf | well, but then you have no warrenty |
| 19:05:29 | Hansmaulwurf | its more than 2 years |
| 19:05:45 | lamed | how do i connect a variable with a string to form a new string? I want to get, ASD=helloworld, given $hello=hello, ASD="$helloworld" is a mistake... |
| 19:05:45 | BoZZ | its 2 years in dec 06 |
| 19:05:48 | Mikachu | um, christmas 04 was not more than 2 years ago |
| 19:05:52 | Hansmaulwurf | hm right |
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| 19:05:58 | BoZZ | lol |
| 19:06:02 | preglow | hah |
| 19:06:02 | Mikachu | lamed: ${hello}world |
| 19:06:05 | preglow | we're explicitely mentioned |
| 19:06:06 | Hansmaulwurf | was wrong |
| 19:06:06 | preglow | how cute |
| 19:06:09 | lamed | 10x |
| 19:06:36 | Hansmaulwurf | lol |
| 19:06:51 | Mikachu | they should have specified in more detail what they mean by "altered" |
| 19:07:06 | BoZZ | =] |
| 19:07:28 | BoZZ | if the player is opened, repaired, modified or altered by third parties e.g. Rockbox, unless such repair, modification or alteration is expressly authorized in writing by iriver; |
| 19:07:39 | BoZZ | pretty obvious they mean rockbox |
| 19:07:46 | Mikachu | it's not modified by rockbox, it's modified by you |
| 19:07:47 | Mikachu | the second party |
| 19:07:51 | BoZZ | lol |
| 19:07:58 | BoZZ | true true |
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| 19:08:07 | BoZZ | love the way they name dropped it so people who don't know what Rockbox is would look it up |
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| 19:08:09 | preglow | Mikachu: attending law school, are we? |
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| 19:08:20 | Mikachu | no, just making up as i go along |
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| 19:08:36 | Mikachu | but they could have just said "running other firmware than ours" |
| 19:08:39 | Febs | I've always wondered if they'd be able to enforce such a disclaimer when the "alteration" is not what caused the failure of the device. |
| 19:09:01 | BoZZ | its how well you can prove that |
| 19:09:08 | linuxstb_ | you or them? |
| 19:09:09 | preglow | i don't think they enforce it too often, they just use it to scare people away from trying to rma in the first place |
| 19:09:13 | Mikachu | if you can show it's a fault of manufacturing they are probably required by law to replace it |
| 19:09:26 | BoZZ | you could point out hardware failiure, but rockbox could "overstress" they hardware by not using it for its intention |
| 19:09:45 | Febs | Rockbox manages the hard drive better than the iriver firmware. |
| 19:09:50 | Hansmaulwurf | yeah |
| 19:09:54 | BoZZ | or something like that, im sure they would just crush you with expensive lawyers |
| 19:10:01 | * | linuxstb_ just realises his h140 is still under warranty... |
| 19:10:03 | * | Hansmaulwurf has 3 hours more battery runtime with rockbox |
| 19:10:22 | Febs | linuxstb: Not anymore! You've "altered" it with Rockbox! |
| 19:10:24 | Mikachu | BoZZ: i think that only works in the us |
| 19:10:31 | linuxstb_ | Febs: Prove it. |
| 19:10:33 | Hansmaulwurf | yes Mikachu |
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| 19:10:42 | BoZZ | im sure ie, playing gameboy games must over use it a little? |
| 19:11:09 | Hansmaulwurf | in germany the consumer-groups would crush the lawyers |
| 19:11:27 | Mikachu | which is how it should be in a proper democracy :) |
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| 19:11:52 | linuxstb_ | BoZZ: If you're paranoid (I would be), clear the config block... |
| 19:12:22 | BoZZ | how do I do that? |
| 19:12:34 | linuxstb_ | Do you have Linux or Cygwin or Mac OS X available? |
| 19:12:55 | BoZZ | Cygwin? |
| 19:13:37 | bluebrother | BoZZ, Cygwin is a unix environment for Windows. |
| 19:14:05 | bluebrother | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin |
| 19:14:27 | BoZZ | nope, not right now. |
| 19:14:44 | BoZZ | is that the only way of doing it? |
| 19:15:13 | linuxstb_ | It could be dangerous to your FAT partition if I get this number (62) wrong, but I think you need to do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=62 count=1" where /dev/sda is your iriver. |
| 19:15:57 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure there are Windows tools that allow you to edit raw disk sectors, but I don't know what they are. |
| 19:16:01 | markun | linuxstb_: are there any problems with rockbox on the mini? |
| 19:16:07 | markun | ipod mini |
| 19:16:14 | linuxstb_ | No more than any other ipod afaik. |
| 19:16:42 | markun | I googled for 'rockbox sucks' |
| 19:16:53 | markun | and some guy complained that it sucks on the ipod mini |
| 19:17:09 | Mikachu | i like the third hit |
| 19:17:13 | Mikachu | Rockbox does NOT "suck" |
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| 19:19:56 | Mikachu | it must be awesome to work at apple support |
| 19:20:08 | markun | :) |
| 19:22:10 | linuxstb_ | And the last comment.... "I REFUSE to format it to FAT 32. That only invites slow speeds and severe crappiness." |
| 19:22:17 | markun | all the rockbox hatred is from ipod users it seems |
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| 19:24:07 | linuxstb_ | I think it's simply that most ipod users are happy with itunes and the Apple firmware for their music needs. Rockbox is for the other 5%. |
| 19:24:39 | ryran | or for the 5% that decided to buy an ipod just to put rockbox on it... |
| 19:24:55 | Febs | The problem is that a large part of the 95% can't understand why anyone would want to avoid iTunes. |
| 19:24:56 | Mikachu | or for people who won it |
| 19:24:59 | markun | I can understand that rockbox is not for everyone |
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| 19:25:41 | XavierGr | markun: No, I refuse to understand that |
| 19:25:42 | Febs | And of course, it seems that a disproportionately high number of the other 5% seem to want Rockbox just to play Doom. |
| 19:25:48 | ryran | lol |
| 19:25:48 | TeaSea | Rockbox IS for me. |
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| 19:26:34 | XavierGr | though I can understand that rockbox on iPod has many quircks currently |
| 19:26:46 | ryran | it does? |
| 19:26:58 | markun | XavierGr: why? It has all these useless features for most people and looks ugly by default |
| 19:27:31 | XavierGr | No, it doesn't look ugly. It is just minimal |
| 19:27:43 | XavierGr | And it can be very beautifull with the right WPS |
| 19:27:54 | XavierGr | And useless features? |
| 19:27:59 | markun | yes.. minimal font size for example |
| 19:28:09 | XavierGr | I lost you there maybe you are being sarcastic? |
| 19:28:22 | markun | playing musepack files for example, don't think many people even know it exists |
| 19:28:27 | XavierGr | the font size can be either humongus or tiny so... |
| 19:28:37 | XavierGr | this isn't useless though |
| 19:28:45 | markun | XavierGr: you know I love rockbox, right? |
| 19:29:03 | markun | I'm even wearing my rockbox t-shirt as I'm typing |
| 19:29:07 | saa[b_r]ider | no, markun doens't love rockbox... |
| 19:29:14 | saa[b_r]ider | that's an understatement :D |
| 19:29:18 | linuxstb_ | But the eye-candy should be in place before 3.1 - so Rockbox will hopefully both sound and look better than the Apple firmware... |
| 19:29:42 | XavierGr | Well I said that on apple it can me a little harsh for the time being. |
| 19:29:46 | Mikachu | i think the main menu should be reorganized |
| 19:29:48 | markun | I vote again for icatcher as the default theme |
| 19:29:55 | Mikachu | it still confuses me every time i want to do something |
| 19:29:58 | XavierGr | But that was the case for H100 and H300 when development started up |
| 19:30:06 | saa[b_r]ider | speaking of eyecandy, I read that the devs have some "viewports" planned for the WPS? |
| 19:30:15 | XavierGr | markun: all vote for that the problem is performance |
| 19:30:18 | Febs | Mikachu: what confuses you? |
| 19:30:33 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: Yes, the viewports idea has been around for a while. |
| 19:30:34 | Mikachu | firstly there are three different settings menus in the main menu |
| 19:30:36 | XavierGr | hardeep reported a 20 seconds delay on archos with fragmented hd |
| 19:30:45 | XavierGr | 20 seconds boot delay |
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| 19:31:09 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: is this what amiconn was talking about yesterday? having plugins viewed in the WPS? |
| 19:31:11 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: And it won't just be in the WPS, it will be implemented at the LCD driver level, so it can be used anywhere in Rockbox. |
| 19:31:23 | XavierGr | 2-4 seconds, I think, for irivers on non-fragmented disks |
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| 19:31:26 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: No, that was a new idea. |
| 19:32:18 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: so what will these viewports be able to do? |
| 19:32:31 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: A "viewport" is simply a window in the screen, and then all text/image drawing happens inside that window. |
| 19:32:32 | Febs | Mikachu: I don't understand what is confusing about that. Each of the three settings menus deals with a different group of settings. |
| 19:32:37 | markun | XavierGr: what kind of performance problem is there? |
| 19:32:54 | Mikachu | Febs: traditionally the layout would be main menu -> settings -> category |
| 19:33:01 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: And things like scrolling will be confined to the viewport (meaning the scroll-margins patch isn't needed). |
| 19:33:03 | Mikachu | not main menu -> { category settings } |
| 19:33:15 | XavierGr | markun: well when Rockbox boots it needs to load the various bitmaps on memory. So in the worst case scenario a very long delay can occur during boot |
| 19:33:27 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: Apart from the WPS, another use could be to make some of the menus appear as pop-up menus. |
| 19:33:28 | Febs | That would be the same as it is now except that you would have one additional layer of menus to navigate to get to any particular setting. |
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| 19:33:45 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: yeah, I read about the viewports at the scroll margins patch page :) |
| 19:33:46 | BoZZ | i nearly shat myself |
| 19:33:48 | Mikachu | but two less entries to read when you don't want to change settings |
| 19:33:55 | XavierGr | markun: of course there is a plan/suggestion to make a tar loader for wpses, but that is post 3.0 |
| 19:33:58 | Mikachu | you could also cram everything in the main menu, but it wouldn't be more efficient |
| 19:34:06 | BoZZ | thought i had a really bad disk faliure :| |
| 19:34:14 | markun | XavierGr: ok, that's a bit of a problem. I'm staying with my minimalistic WPS anyway. |
| 19:34:15 | BoZZ | hardware doesn't like me at the moment :) |
| 19:34:21 | Mikachu | actually i lied, there are 4 settings menus, not 3 |
| 19:34:22 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: I'm worried that it'll become too advanced for me that I won't be able to create a new WPS :O |
| 19:34:33 | Febs | There's a difference between being efficient and being confusing. |
| 19:34:34 | bluebrother | I really like the tar idea :) |
| 19:34:56 | XavierGr | yes it will most certainly help distribute and load wps files |
| 19:35:03 | Mikachu | Febs: and the General Settings has submenus like Playback etc |
| 19:35:11 | Mikachu | but there is also Sound Settings under the main menu |
| 19:35:14 | Mikachu | it makes absolutely no sense |
| 19:35:15 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: No-one wants it to become more complicated... In a way, it might make a WPS simpler. |
| 19:35:16 | markun | Mikachu: we could open a wiki page with all the menu entries and come up with some alternative suggestions |
| 19:35:25 | bluebrother | recently I looked into the tar format ... I need more time :o |
| 19:35:39 | * | bluebrother wants to start coding |
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| 19:36:38 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: I'm sure the end results will be nice and pretty, it's creating the WPS for viewports is what I'm worried about |
| 19:37:10 | Mikachu | does anyone agree with me that the menu is confusing? |
| 19:37:11 | BoZZ | You know that problem I was having with the Rockbox bootloader...well the Original Firmware doesn't detect the h100.hex file and doesn't update =/ |
| 19:37:17 | markun | saa[b_r]ider: it should take care of the margins problem and needing a specific font height |
| 19:37:42 | markun | Mikachu: I think it is, but didn't think of ways it could be improved |
| 19:37:48 | BoZZ | Mikachu: yeah, at first |
| 19:37:56 | saa[b_r]ider | markun linuxstb what about multiple fonts? is that in the works as well? |
| 19:37:59 | BoZZ | i always found options then lost them soon after =/ |
| 19:38:09 | Mikachu | i don't change settings often enough to learn where everything is, but i do other things often enough that the 4 entries are annoying |
| 19:38:27 | BoZZ | heh |
| 19:38:44 | BoZZ | how about custome menus ;) |
| 19:38:53 | bluebrother | nooo! |
| 19:38:59 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: If "in the works" means "everyone agrees it's a good idea", then I think the answer is yes. But it still needs someone to do it... |
| 19:39:04 | XavierGr | For me main menu is just right |
| 19:39:12 | XavierGr | what's confusing is the keymaps |
| 19:39:16 | BoZZ | have the default set of menus, then have a customizable quick menu |
| 19:39:41 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: oh I'm not asking "when" will it be implemented... but if it's on the roadmap at least |
| 19:40:00 | bluebrother | BoZZ, there is a quick menu ;-) But it's not configurable. |
| 19:40:06 | BoZZ | hmm |
| 19:40:16 | BoZZ | back to the problem I'm having... |
| 19:40:23 | BoZZ | The original firmware wont upgrade.. |
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| 19:41:09 | bluebrother | BoZZ, have you followed the upgrade instructions from iriver? |
| 19:41:21 | BoZZ | first thing I did when i dind't work first time |
| 19:41:46 | BoZZ | i think it might be because my iRiver is just fucked. |
| 19:41:54 | Febs | Mikachu: I think that there are things about the menus that could be improved, but they are mostly minor adjustments, not a complete overhaul. |
| 19:42:04 | bluebrother | hmm. Please describe "fucked" ;-) |
| 19:42:05 | * | saa[b_r]ider congratulates febs for getting it to work |
| 19:42:06 | Febs | By the way, what are the 4 settings menus you are referring to? |
| 19:42:07 | linuxstb_ | saa[b_r]ider: This is the only roadmap I know: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo |
| 19:42:20 | Mikachu | i said reorganized, not complete overhaul |
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| 19:43:21 | BoZZ | bluebrother : scroll up about 10 mins :) |
| 19:43:57 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Missed that. |
| 19:44:08 | bluebrother | maybe reformatting the drive helps? |
| 19:44:25 | BoZZ | tried that also :( |
| 19:44:33 | bluebrother | too bad. |
| 19:45:22 | linuxstb_ | BoZZ: Is it fully charged? |
| 19:46:07 | BoZZ | AC Adapter is plugged in |
| 19:46:21 | BoZZ | When i go to press yes at the Upgrade screen, it just goes back to the menu |
| 19:47:13 | XavierGr | Bozz: do you have the .hex file in your root? |
| 19:47:31 | BoZZ | of course |
| 19:47:52 | BoZZ | it doesn't show up in the iRiver menu though (does it filter recognizable files?) |
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| 19:48:03 | XavierGr | its filename? |
| 19:48:04 | BoZZ | *unrecognizable |
| 19:48:10 | XavierGr | it must be h300.hex |
| 19:48:15 | XavierGr | case sensitive |
| 19:48:28 | BoZZ | ihp_100.hex (i got an h140 |
| 19:48:32 | XavierGr | ah |
| 19:48:39 | XavierGr | yes this must be right |
| 19:48:57 | XavierGr | can you upgrade with a non-modified firmware? |
| 19:49:06 | preglow | that's what he's trying |
| 19:49:30 | XavierGr | then this is very strange! |
| 19:49:31 | Febs | BoZZ, it won't show up in the menu on the H140, as that menu will only show supported files. |
| 19:49:42 | BoZZ | I just downloaded the factory firmware (version its shipped with) and it still doesn't upgrade |
| 19:49:52 | XavierGr | what version do you have? |
| 19:49:54 | BoZZ | how else could I remove the Rockbox bootloader |
| 19:50:02 | Febs | There is no other way. |
| 19:50:11 | BoZZ | h140 v 1.65e |
| 19:50:15 | XavierGr | ah so you have rockbox loader installed? |
| 19:50:45 | Febs | BoZZ, what happens when you run the "Upgrade firmware" function? |
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| 19:50:51 | BoZZ | it goes back to the menu |
| 19:51:05 | BoZZ | XavierGr: scroll up 15 mins or so if you were here =) |
| 19:51:37 | Febs | And you are absolutely certain that the iph_100.hex file is in the ROOT directory of your player? |
| 19:51:41 | BoZZ | yes |
| 19:51:43 | BoZZ | 100% |
| 19:51:43 | Febs | iph/ihp |
| 19:52:40 | XavierGr | weird |
| 19:52:42 | BoZZ | I might have to look at the warrenty and see what else is covered ;) |
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| 19:53:39 | preglow | Turtle`: i've had this problem myself |
| 19:53:44 | preglow | on a perfectly valid firmware file |
| 19:53:48 | preglow | try some different ones |
| 19:54:13 | Turtle` | different versions? |
| 19:54:23 | preglow | different regions, versions |
| 19:54:27 | Turtle` | kk |
| 19:54:28 | preglow | iriver has released several firmware versions |
| 19:54:40 | preglow | download from different sites, etc, i had to do that once to find a file my unit would let me flash |
| 19:54:44 | preglow | god knows why |
| 19:54:46 | Turtle` | ill do that, its just ashame it takes about 5 mins to boot after discconecting from USB |
| 19:54:54 | preglow | hahaha |
| 19:54:57 | XavierGr | 5 minutes? |
| 19:54:59 | preglow | i doubt this thing will survive a flash |
| 19:55:12 | Turtle` | if it dies during a flash...even better |
| 19:55:14 | preglow | but at least then they can't complain |
| 19:55:17 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: I guess a patch I was thinking of requesting to add margins in the browser/menu won't be necessary with viewports http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5383/newknightboxbackdropafter4ny.png |
| 19:55:17 | Febs | BoZZ, do you have all the data on it backed up? |
| 19:55:17 | Turtle` | exactly |
| 19:55:18 | preglow | exactly :P |
| 19:55:18 | Turtle` | =) |
| 19:55:33 | Turtle` | yeah, s'all scattered around my comp somewhere |
| 19:55:45 | Turtle` | my iRiver was the only place it was all organized properly ;( |
| 19:56:11 | preglow | btw |
| 19:56:23 | preglow | is it responsive while connected to a computer? |
| 19:56:31 | preglow | does usb browsing work fine? |
| 19:56:33 | Turtle` | yeah |
| 19:56:39 | preglow | right, so it's not the disk |
| 19:56:48 | preglow | sounds like cpu has seen a nasty hiot |
| 19:56:49 | preglow | hit too |
| 19:56:51 | Turtle` | i would have thought its cpu |
| 19:57:03 | Turtle` | its fine while not playng a song |
| 19:57:11 | preglow | perhaps someone has given it a blast with a bad charger? |
| 19:57:16 | Turtle` | as soon as its doing something, menus are slow, theres no sound output |
| 19:57:20 | preglow | i've heard about similar symptoms from that |
| 19:57:35 | Turtle` | nah, I was Dj ing a party, had it with me plugged in all night on my charger |
| 19:57:40 | preglow | right |
| 19:57:41 | Turtle` | (just for songs before and after my set( |
| 19:57:47 | preglow | perhaps your charger has gone bad, then? |
| 19:58:01 | Turtle` | its plugged in right now, seems to have charged fine |
| 19:58:06 | preglow | hmm |
| 19:58:13 | preglow | well, god knows |
| 19:58:18 | preglow | it certainly does sound like it's bustede, though |
| 19:58:25 | Turtle` | indeed |
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| 19:58:32 | Turtle` | only found out in the morning in the car |
| 19:58:41 | Turtle` | plugged it in to play a song and nothing happened |
| 19:59:43 | Turtle` | its confusing and frustrating the shit out of me though =/ |
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| 20:00:54 | XavierGr | so Turtle`: you want to revert to original firmware to RMA it? |
| 20:01:17 | XavierGr | if you run out of options you can burn it with a nokia charger and then whistle innocently |
| 20:01:38 | XavierGr | There are many reports that iriver RMA'ed these players |
| 20:01:43 | preglow | yep |
| 20:01:53 | Turtle` | RMA? |
| 20:01:53 | XavierGr | but nowadays I am not sure if iriver has iHPs on stock |
| 20:02:03 | XavierGr | return it to them and get a new one |
| 20:02:08 | Turtle` | aah |
| 20:02:09 | Turtle` | yeah |
| 20:02:16 | Turtle` | well, shit i gotta run now |
| 20:02:23 | Turtle` | but thanks very much for your help guys |
| 20:02:41 | Turtle` | ill try a few different fireware versions etc |
| 20:02:52 | Turtle` | ill let you know what happens |
| 20:02:59 | Turtle` | cheers |
| 20:03:02 | XavierGr | have to run too |
| 20:03:04 | XavierGr | bye all |
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| 20:03:40 | tucoz | preglow: do you know what I need to do to checkout the source as a dev in the vmware image? That is, what do I need in my .cvspass file |
| 20:04:56 | tucoz | as it is empty, i get "skipping invalid entry in password file at line 1" |
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| 20:08:11 | bluebrother | tucoz, I guess removing the file and doing a cvs login again should help |
| 20:08:23 | tucoz | bluebrother: i'll try that |
| 20:09:53 | tucoz | bluebrother: that didn't work. I got "failed to open /home/user/.cvspass for reading. no such file or directory" |
| 20:12:45 | tucoz | bluebrother,preglow: nevermind. i had to login twice to get it working. the file was created the first time. |
| 20:21:10 | tucoz | in the vmware wiki it says I can access the files as a share (\\debian\user). How do I actually do to access them? |
| 20:21:20 | tucoz | *what |
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| 20:21:41 | lamed | can i 'continue' a bash for loop? |
| 20:22:46 | lamed | can i 'continue' a bash for..do..loop? I mean, skipping the rest of the loop? |
| 20:24:04 | bluebrother | lamed, yes. |
| 20:25:06 | bluebrother | "continue: skip remaining commands in a for, while, or until loop, resuming with the next iteration of the loop" (according to Unix in a nutshell) |
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| 20:31:01 | lamed | bluebrother: are you reffering to BASH? |
| 20:31:09 | bluebrother | lamed, yes. |
| 20:31:15 | lamed | thanks. |
| 20:31:28 | bluebrother | at least if I found the correct line ;-) |
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| 20:34:04 | PaulJam | Turtle`Away: if you read this: there are threads in the forum that describe similar problems (no sound, slow response). see this thread and the one linked in the first post: |
| 20:34:06 | PaulJam | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4434.0 |
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| 20:46:25 | bushblowz | what would cause rockbox on an 5th gen ipod to get plugin returned error |
| 20:48:07 | tucoz | bushblowz: did you compile it yourself? |
| 20:48:07 | | Quit Zweiundvierzig (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 20:48:31 | bushblowz | somewhat |
| 20:48:34 | bushblowz | not really though |
| 20:48:36 | lamed | #!/bin/bash |
| 20:48:40 | lamed | for i in $( ls ); do |
| 20:48:43 | lamed | echo item: $i |
| 20:48:45 | lamed | done |
| 20:48:49 | bushblowz | ok |
| 20:48:49 | lamed | not working.... why?! |
| 20:49:09 | lamed | it's a copy-paste! |
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| 20:49:26 | sharpe` | bushblowz: what plugin? |
| 20:49:32 | tucoz | bushblowz: if you compiled the sim, and copied a plugin from that to your ipod, then you'll get a plugin error |
| 20:49:38 | tucoz | for instance |
| 20:49:52 | bushblowz | rockboy, and a couple others and doom but thats another problem i am working on |
| 20:50:00 | sharpe` | if you copy it over, (on windows, anyway) it will tell you it's not a valid executable. |
| 20:50:13 | bushblowz | ok |
| 20:50:26 | tucoz | lamed: do you use the vmware image? |
| 20:50:31 | lamed | yeah |
| 20:50:33 | sharpe` | you can just look in the source for where it returns the PLUGIN_ERROR :) |
| 20:50:52 | lamed | old bin or something? |
| 20:50:54 | tucoz | lamed: cool. how do you access the files from that in windows? |
| 20:51:56 | lamed | type \\debian in some address bar. if it's not working try reset vmware (don't close and re-open, reset.) now what about my not working script... anyone? |
| 20:52:28 | Mikachu | lamed: what's the error? |
| 20:52:28 | tucoz | thanks :) |
| 20:53:06 | lamed | line 2: syntax error near unexpected token 'do |
| 20:53:30 | tucoz | lamed: you forgot a ; |
| 20:53:49 | tucoz | after echo item: $i |
| 20:54:30 | lamed | you don't ; everything in bash scripts |
| 20:54:37 | lamed | but i'll try |
| 20:54:40 | tucoz | that works for me |
| 20:54:59 | lamed | because most obviously you know better then me :) |
| 20:55:45 | lamed | nope. that actually didn't work. it's taken from http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html |
| 20:55:49 | lamed | can you run it? |
| 20:56:17 | lamed | mikachu, you're the great helper today for bash scripts, anything? |
| 20:56:22 | bluebrother | lamed, that script works fine for me |
| 20:56:41 | lamed | yeah I could guess something is faulty. |
| 20:57:02 | lamed | how do I apt get a newer bash? |
| 20:57:17 | tucoz | I did: for i in $(ls) ; do echo item: $i ; done |
| 20:57:26 | tucoz | in the vmware image |
| 20:57:38 | bluebrother | apt-get bash I assume :) |
| 20:57:48 | tucoz | apt-get install bash |
| 20:58:27 | Mikachu | lamed: try putting do on the same line as the first command |
| 20:58:33 | lamed | tucoz: thanks. |
| 20:58:49 | tucoz | did that script work? |
| 20:59:37 | lamed | yes. it was the white space before and after ls |
| 20:59:46 | tucoz | ah, ok |
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| 21:00:52 | bluebrother | strange, I had it working even with the spaces |
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| 21:02:38 | Mikachu | try ` ls ` |
| 21:02:51 | lamed | strange enough, if I type it down to the command line it works. but if I run it from a file it fails. |
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| 21:04:29 | Mikachu | lamed: do you have #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash ? |
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| 21:05:13 | lamed | mmm.. found it. somehow it was because I made the file on dev-cpp and saved it on the vmware machine. although I had it chmod +x anyways, it now runs that I made a new file in xedir |
| 21:05:15 | lamed | xedit |
| 21:06:01 | bluebrother | maybe the line endings? DOS vs unix? |
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| 21:07:14 | DaFlip | i just installed rockbox (latest cvs version) on my 4g ipod |
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| 21:07:58 | DaFlip | if i shutdown the thing by holding down the play button.. sometimes it won't turn back on using the middle button until i plug it back into my pc via the usb cable. I cannot turn it on otherwise.. even by performing the reset procedure.. anyone got any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 21:08:01 | bluebrother | hmm, tried unix2dos the file and it stopped working ... seems bash relies on unix files. |
| 21:09:29 | linuxstb_ | DaFlip: Is your battery low? Also, try MENU instead of the middle button (both work on my 4g Color though). |
| 21:09:56 | DaFlip | the battery indicator doesn't show it as low, it's over 50%. |
| 21:10:19 | DaFlip | it frooze just a second ago so after i couldn't turn it back in, i briefly plugged in the usb cable til the apple logo appeared un plugged it and it's been on since |
| 21:10:45 | DaFlip | actually more often than not it won't switch back on :( |
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| 21:12:21 | | Quit _FireFly_ (Connection reset by peer) |
| 21:12:59 | DaFlip | i'm gonna get the latest version and see if it fixes it.. it's only 2-3 days since i applied it but who knows |
| 21:13:44 | linuxstb_ | DaFlip: Sounds like it could be a hardware problem. The Apple firmware doesn't normally fully power-off the ipod, so you may not have noticed it. |
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| 21:16:10 | DaFlip | hmm |
| 21:16:10 | DaFlip | i see |
| 21:16:32 | DaFlip | i presume when rockbox shuts it off it turns it off fully? |
| 21:17:05 | linuxstb_ | When Rockbox turns off the ipod, it is set to wake up on one of two events: 1) Charging (i.e. attaching USB); and 2) The "EXTON" signal, which is hard-wired to the middle and menu buttons. |
| 21:17:57 | linuxstb_ | It sounds like the power chip isn't getting the EXTON reliably. I assume your hold switch is off... |
| 21:18:05 | DaFlip | it is |
| 21:18:38 | linuxstb_ | Yes, Rockbox turns it off as fully as it can. Apple puts the ipod into a "light sleep" mode, and then turns it off after about 12 hours of light sleep (I think). |
| 21:18:51 | linuxstb_ | (it could be longer than 12 hours) |
| 21:19:23 | DaFlip | sometimes i can turn it on thou :/ it just worked right now |
| 21:20:00 | linuxstb_ | Do you try both MENU and the middle button to turn it on? |
| 21:21:31 | Nibbler | ja |
| 21:21:35 | Nibbler | upsi |
| 21:22:29 | DaFlip | i used the usb cable to turn it on again before i could check |
| 21:22:41 | DaFlip | but everytime it happened i could not turn it on with menu+middle |
| 21:22:52 | DaFlip | nor would it turn on with the hold on off menu and middle button |
| 21:23:25 | DaFlip | i can't get it to stay off now.. that's after it was on the usb cable for a minute or two.. i wonder could it be a battery issue |
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| 21:23:36 | DaFlip | the battery capacity is set to 640Mah - is that correct for the 4g grayscale ipod? |
| 21:24:22 | linuxstb_ | That makes no difference at the moment. It's only used to display a "remaining runtime" estimate. |
| 21:24:36 | DaFlip | ok |
| 21:24:56 | DaFlip | i'm gonna give it a few hours on the usb cable and update the firmware again with the latest build |
| 21:24:59 | DaFlip | i'll see if that fixes it |
| 21:25:00 | linuxstb_ | So you've had no similar problems with the original firmware? |
| 21:25:04 | DaFlip | no |
| 21:25:37 | linuxstb_ | Do you use it frequently? i.e. often enough to stop it powering off? |
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| 21:25:54 | Ersan | hmm |
| 21:26:07 | Ersan | can rockbox load the original ipod interface? |
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| 21:26:24 | Ersan | cause i like that for music i just wanna play w/ rockbox |
| 21:26:30 | lamed | how do I echo to stderr? |
| 21:26:33 | bluebrother | Ersan, no. |
| 21:26:38 | Ersan | meh |
| 21:26:48 | bluebrother | but you can use a wps that looks like the ipod now playing screen. |
| 21:26:57 | Ersan | screenshot? |
| 21:27:08 | tucoz | lamed: echo > /dev/stderr ? |
| 21:27:24 | bluebrother | search the wiki for wps. |
| 21:27:26 | lamed | mmm... I leaned something new... stderr is a file |
| 21:27:48 | linuxstb_ | lamed: In Unix, everything is a file... |
| 21:28:12 | lamed | yeah, i know... debian is weird |
| 21:28:29 | Ersan | i see |
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| 21:29:24 | Ersan | what does the media library interface look like? |
| 21:29:54 | bluebrother | Ersan, look in the manual |
| 21:30:18 | bluebrother | you can find that on the daily download page |
| 21:30:25 | lamed | > /dev/stderr = >&2 right? |
| 21:30:29 | tucoz | Ersan: or here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenShots |
| 21:31:00 | tucoz | Ersan: but the manual gives a more complete selection of screenshots |
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| 21:31:04 | bluebrother | you can also find some themes at www.rockbox-themes.org (but some of them seem to require patches) |
| 21:31:20 | Ersan | i see |
| 21:31:36 | Ersan | those are just wps's |
| 21:31:54 | Ersan | will it make the whole interface look like that? |
| 21:32:07 | bluebrother | Ersan, look it up in the manual |
| 21:32:27 | bluebrother | and, the screenshot page also has shots of the file browser. |
| 21:32:42 | Ersan | k |
| 21:33:01 | Ersan | nothing i can do to make it prettier? :\ |
| 21:33:08 | lamed | couple of last questions, I hope... > /dev/stderr = >&2 right? and can I get rid of stderr other then writing it to a file and deleting it afterwards? (I go like &> tmp and then I delete it) |
| 21:33:25 | linuxstb_ | GOAL!!!!! |
| 21:33:31 | bluebrother | what does "prettier" mean? I like the interface. |
| 21:34:12 | Ersan | animated, better colors, etc |
| 21:34:37 | Ersan | does it organize music the same way ipod does |
| 21:34:42 | bluebrother | animated? An animated file browser? Who needs that? |
| 21:34:44 | bluebrother | no. |
| 21:35:08 | Ersan | can't browse by id3? |
| 21:35:09 | linuxstb_ | Ersan: You organise your music however you want to... |
| 21:35:25 | linuxstb_ | Yes - look up TagCache in the wiki |
| 21:35:26 | bluebrother | rockbox is file structure based. Alternatively you can use TagCache to organize you music according to the file metadata |
| 21:35:51 | Ersan | k |
| 21:35:55 | bluebrother | tucoz, what do you think of a introduction chapter that lists all key features? |
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| 21:38:05 | Ersan | is it easy to install the original ipod firmware if i don't like it? |
| 21:38:08 | linuxstb_ | A chapter (if it isn't there already) for people coming to Rockbox from the original firmware for a specific target could be useful. |
| 21:38:18 | linuxstb_ | Ersan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 21:39:22 | sadeness_ | linuxstb, :-D do you love Japan? |
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| 21:40:00 | linuxstb_ | sadeness: No, but it's a very enjoyable game. |
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| 21:40:18 | sadeness_ | yeah... |
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| 21:42:57 | Hansmaulwurf | WorldCup kills the 3.0 timetable |
| 21:42:59 | Hansmaulwurf | ;P |
| 21:43:12 | bluebrother | I'm sure it does :) |
| 21:43:21 | Ersan | is rockbox better than ipodlinux? |
| 21:43:32 | lamed | yes. |
| 21:43:46 | preglow | if you want something that actually plays music, then yes |
| 21:43:52 | Ersan | k |
| 21:43:56 | lamed | guys, could someone refer to my questions? |
| 21:44:03 | lamed | > /dev/stderr = >&2 right? and can I get rid of stderr other then writing it to a file and deleting it afterwards? (I go like &> tmp and then I delete it) |
| 21:44:12 | sadeness_ | WorldCup kills my sleeptime. I need two weeks to get enough of sleep. |
| 21:44:50 | linuxstb_ | sadeness: Where in the world are you? |
| 21:45:27 | Hansmaulwurf | The Problem is that i have 5 exames in 3 weeks, but with the WC in my country i really CANT learn |
| 21:45:42 | preglow | i am yet to watch a single game |
| 21:46:06 | preglow | i hope to be able to keep it that way |
| 21:46:27 | Ersan | wai |
| 21:46:28 | Ersan | t |
| 21:46:33 | Ersan | you can boot into the apple firmware? |
| 21:46:40 | PaulJam | damn, this philips uda chip is really small. |
| 21:46:59 | Hansmaulwurf | yes Ersan |
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| 21:47:16 | Paddyscript | grr |
| 21:47:17 | Hansmaulwurf | the bootloader handles both firmwares |
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| 21:47:24 | DaFlip_ | got disconnected :( |
| 21:47:37 | PaulJam | what would be the best method to remove the old ic fom my h320? |
| 21:47:39 | DaFlip_ | i discovered it will crash if i turn it on, leave it play until the next track displays |
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| 21:47:51 | DaFlip_ | if i leave it go that far it won't turn back up when i switch it off :( |
| 21:48:11 | Ersan | the apple firmware won't read the music though right |
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| 21:49:13 | sadeness | linuxstb, i'm from russia |
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| 21:50:27 | Ersan | installing rockbox won't format the drive right |
| 21:51:24 | tucoz | bluebrother: I am not sure what is the best option. Key features could be listed somewhere. Possibly in the introduction. linuxstb's idea means more work, and I am not sure that I like that. |
| 21:52:22 | tucoz | that would mean we have to write ipod->rockbox, iaudio->rockbox, iriver->rockbox, archos->rockbox ... chapters |
| 21:53:22 | linuxstb_ | I'm not saying it's a priority, it was just a suggestion... You wouldn't need ipod and iaudio yet though. |
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| 21:54:47 | linuxstb_ | DaFlip: At what point does it crash when you turn it on? |
| 21:54:56 | DaFlip_ | it doesn't turn on at all |
| 21:55:08 | Febs | We do need to put some player-specific tips in the manual. For example, I don't think that we explain how to reset any of the players, how to boot into the original firmware, or how to return to default settings. |
| 21:55:09 | DaFlip_ | if i turn it on, switch it off quickly (say 4 seconds) it'll come back on |
| 21:55:24 | tucoz | linuxstb_, I know it was just a suggestion :) |
| 21:55:28 | DaFlip_ | but if i leave it playing for say 15 seconds, turn it off, it won't come back on at all until the usb cable is plugged in |
| 21:55:30 | Febs | I don't know about a whole chapter, but maybe a "tips and tricks" section in the introduction. |
| 21:55:36 | dionoea | hell |
| 21:55:37 | dionoea | o |
| 21:55:50 | tucoz | Febs: good idea |
| 21:56:01 | tucoz | Febs: like a quick start |
| 21:56:18 | linuxstb_ | Could those be in a target-specific FAQ? |
| 21:57:51 | tucoz | We should sometime introduce an index as well |
| 21:58:20 | tucoz | where we mark key-words in the text, and tell latex to generate an index of them |
| 21:59:18 | dionoea | You should also release :) |
| 21:59:20 | tucoz | ah, a target specific FAQ should be fairly easy to add |
| 21:59:21 | dionoea | err ... sorry |
| 21:59:26 | bluebrother | Febs, sounds good. But maybe "tips and tricks" in the appendix. |
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| 22:00:04 | tucoz | bluebrother: but we should write somewhere how to reset the player |
| 22:00:32 | tucoz | some other place than the "tips and tricks" section |
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| 22:00:43 | bluebrother | tucoz, I think this should go in the bootloader section. |
| 22:01:10 | tucoz | why not under the front image of the player. in the tiny table? |
| 22:01:20 | bluebrother | but I'm still not sure if this isn't anything that should be in a tips and tricks section |
| 22:01:24 | tucoz | that tells us how to turn on and off the player |
| 22:01:36 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 22:01:46 | tucoz | and a 'reset' there would fit in nicely |
| 22:01:59 | tucoz | (maybe) |
| 22:02:01 | tucoz | ;-) |
| 22:02:28 | bluebrother | I'm not sure. As you usually don't need it often (hopefully ;-) I think this shouldn't be on the start page. |
| 22:02:41 | bluebrother | otherwise it sound a bit like "you'll need it often" |
| 22:03:00 | bluebrother | at least new users might get the impression |
| 22:03:05 | tucoz | ah, right |
| 22:03:27 | bluebrother | but, for a start, we could put it in a tips and tricks section. |
| 22:03:45 | bluebrother | and maybe move it later to the bootloader section and refer that from there |
| 22:04:24 | tucoz | I just noticed that the faq's in the wiki are quite massive |
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| 22:05:22 | bluebrother | I noticed that some time ago. Maybe they're a bit too massive for new users. |
| 22:06:03 | tucoz | yes, a more streamlined t&t section is better |
| 22:06:07 | tucoz | got to go watch some football :) |
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| 22:10:11 | Hansmaulwurf | ah come on |
| 22:11:13 | Febs | tucoz, bluebrother: I like the idea of a FAQ section. Some FAQs would be common to multiple players, so we could handle that with /opt{}. |
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| 22:16:26 | sadeness | damn.. |
| 22:16:47 | sadeness | poor japaneese :( |
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| 22:24:04 | dionoea | sadeness: why ? soccer ? |
| 22:24:22 | sadeness | dionoea, yeah. 3:1 |
| 22:24:39 | dionoea | ;( |
| 22:24:42 | dionoea | are they out ? |
| 22:25:05 | sadeness | not yet. they have 20 minutes for out :-) |
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| 22:48:49 | Ersan | arg |
| 22:48:57 | Ersan | all i need to run rockdoom is the wad's? |
| 22:49:07 | Ersan | it seems like i'm missing something |
| 22:49:38 | Ersan | nvm |
| 22:49:39 | Ersan | got it |
| 22:49:58 | dionoea | always a pleasure to help :) |
| 22:52:31 | tucoz | Febs: but I don't think we can copy the wiki FAQ's verbatim. And I am not sure how to filter out what is really fitting in a manual context. |
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| 22:55:41 | Ersan | i pick new game and it doesn't do anything :( |
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| 22:56:15 | Ersan | nvm! |
| 22:56:30 | tucoz | congratulations to Australia :) |
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| 23:01:35 | Ersan | i can't quit snake! |
| 23:01:42 | dionoea | what player ? |
| 23:01:52 | Ersan | ipod nano? |
| 23:02:06 | dionoea | menu+select maybe ? |
| 23:02:15 | Ersan | resets |
| 23:02:27 | dionoea | menu long ? |
| 23:02:32 | dionoea | (try all combos) |
| 23:02:42 | Mikachu | Ersan: just press menu+select, don't hold it for 5 seconds |
| 23:02:54 | Ersan | doesnt do anything |
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| 23:03:42 | Ersan | k |
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| 23:10:35 | obo | Bagder: target images on the cvs and daily builds pages are missing - they link back to /docs/ |
| 23:10:54 | Bagder | aaah |
| 23:10:58 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:11:43 | Bagder | fixed now |
| 23:12:10 | obo | don't hang around, do you? :) |
| 23:12:19 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 23:24:41 | Ersan | the usb connection is like really unstable |
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| 23:30:30 | stripwax | hoo, i picked up an ipod 5g today.. let's see how it compares to the h120 |
| 23:31:43 | preglow | poorly :/ |
| 23:32:03 | stripwax | :s |
| 23:32:06 | Bagder | it runs doom better! ;-P |
| 23:32:14 | stripwax | exactly. and pacbox. |
| 23:32:26 | stripwax | i ought to finish my sound emulation for that at some point |
| 23:41:29 | sharpe` | stripwax: just maybe. |
| 23:41:43 | stripwax | just maybe what −− |
| 23:44:06 | sharpe` | the sound |
| 23:44:26 | PaulJam | YES! my operation succeeded, i have stereo sound again :D |
| 23:44:28 | dionoea | http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/rockpaint_2.png . (I'm still missing text writing) Do you have comments on the look of the interface ? (the bottom toolbar retracts when the mouse leaves it) |
| 23:44:34 | Ersan | is there any way at all to have the same songs on the ipod firmware and rockbox? |
| 23:44:45 | stripwax | yeah. |
| 23:44:52 | stripwax | Ersan - tagcache? |
| 23:45:01 | stripwax | sharpe- that yeah was directed to you ;-) |
| 23:45:11 | sharpe` | what was? |
| 23:45:18 | Ersan | tagcache will go into all the dirs? |
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| 23:45:24 | stripwax | Ersan - yep |
| 23:45:26 | Ersan | k |
| 23:45:38 | stripwax | well it ought to ... |
| 23:45:45 | Ersan | is there anyway to make ipod's firmware use a different dir structure? |
| 23:45:46 | sharpe` | yeah, it will |
| 23:45:49 | sharpe` | nope. |
| 23:45:53 | Ersan | lame :\ |
| 23:45:59 | sharpe` | blame it on apple :) |
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| 23:46:03 | stripwax | aye# |
| 23:46:05 | Ersan | i do. |
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| 23:46:58 | sharpe` | i need to think of something to make |
| 23:46:59 | sharpe` | er |
| 23:47:00 | sharpe` | write. |
| 23:47:14 | stripwax | sharpe` - maze? x-) |
| 23:47:15 | Ersan | NES emulator. |
| 23:47:20 | sharpe` | lol |
| 23:47:33 | sharpe` | maybe i should work on the maze thing. |
| 23:48:01 | sharpe` | hmm |
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| 23:48:10 | stripwax | sharpe` - you could do the sound emulation for pacbox if you like. i have yet to get my head around setting up the pcm buffers, seems way too fiddly |
| 23:48:12 | dionoea | that would definitively be great (if the generator is good) |
| 23:48:16 | dionoea | (the maze) |
| 23:48:47 | sharpe | stripwax: ah... no thanks... i have absolutely no knowledge of the audio playback systems. |
| 23:48:57 | stripwax | sharpe - me neither :-( |
| 23:49:03 | stripwax | ah well, time to get stuck in .. |
| 23:49:08 | sharpe | dionoea: the original idea was a one pixel maze, all the walls are one pixel, the character is one pixel, etc. |
| 23:49:18 | dionoea | sounds nice :) |
| 23:49:26 | sharpe | i've yet to actually work on it |
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| 23:49:46 | stripwax | would be cooler to have a fullscreen maze with sprites |
| 23:49:49 | sharpe | well, i remember i did do the code to store it in an array of bytes with each bit a wall... |
| 23:49:53 | sharpe | yeah |
| 23:50:04 | sharpe | maybe like, in the spirit of nethack. :D |
| 23:50:20 | sharpe | only without the twenty key combinations.. |
| 23:50:33 | stripwax | yknow, i've never seen/played/smelled nethack. is that weird? |
| 23:50:37 | dionoea | btw, any comments on that rockpaint snapshot ? |
| 23:50:43 | sharpe | dionoea: looks nice |
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| 23:51:11 | sharpe | stripwax: eh, i don't think it's too weird. i never played it until i put it on my palm pilot, which i now only use as an lcd display... |
| 23:52:13 | lamed | how do I create a diff file that contains new files? I tried cvs diff -N but alas! |
| 23:52:29 | sharpe | we should have like, a collaborate rockbox game. with many people working on it... |
| 23:52:46 | Ersan | you have a sample plugin source? |
| 23:53:10 | obo | lamed: cvsdo add - then -N will work |
| 23:53:23 | stripwax | sharpe - sounds like a great idea in fact! we could call it "xobckor" |
| 23:53:32 | dionoea | :) |
| 23:53:36 | lamed | "cvsdo add - then -N " ? |
| 23:53:39 | sharpe | without trying to pronounce it, of course. |
| 23:53:44 | stripwax | :-D |
| 23:54:04 | sharpe | would just need to figure out what kind of game... |
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| 23:54:14 | obo | cvsdo add path/to/file |
| 23:54:27 | obo | after that cvs diff -N will have the new file |
| 23:54:57 | dionoea | a MMORPG would be nice ... although you'd need a wifi hardware hack to make it usable |
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| 23:55:19 | dionoea | obo: cvsdo ? isn't it cvs only ? |
| 23:55:55 | sharpe | heh. then you could boast to your friends, "well, what does your ipod do? play music? well mine's an mmorpg. take that." |
| 23:55:57 | obo | cvsdo is part of cvsutils |
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| 23:57:20 | lamed | ERROR: cannot open /rockbox-devel/apps/lang/CVS/Entries.tmp for writing |
| 23:57:29 | sharpe | that's not good. |
| 23:57:48 | dionoea | well cvsdo doesn't exist on debian it seems :) |
| 23:58:31 | obo | apt-get install cvsutils :) |
| 23:58:59 | dionoea | what's the advandage over cvs add btw ? |
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