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#rockbox log for 2006-06-22

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00:03:54stripwaxEvening all.
00:04:34stripwaxIs there any way to view ID3 info for a file, without it actually be currently playing (e.g. hold select on a file in playlist -> File Options -> "view tag info" or something?)
00:05:32PaulJami don't think so.
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00:11:07amiconnWow. Either something is systematically wrong with my runtime tests, or keeping the LCD running (+ the CPU updating it) during playback does really consume an extra 16 mA (and shortens runtime by 20%)
00:12:03Bonkersscorche: thanks so much, I think I managed to reattch my power connector
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00:12:18Bonkersonce I unsoldered those connections, the whole plug just fell out
00:12:18scorcheBonkers: problem...good luck
00:12:48Bonkersdo you know if the recorder is supposed to turn out without batteries? only the power light comes on, but nothing else, but if I put the batteries back, it all works fine
00:12:51Bonkersrockbox bug maybe?
00:13:01scorcheit isnt
00:13:08Bonkersif I turn it on and take out hte batteries, it still works
00:13:12scorchebatteries are required =)
00:13:15Bonkersthat's odd
00:13:58scorchenot really
00:14:28XavierGramiconn: the final result?
00:15:58Bonkersscorche: it's definitely a rockbox bug
00:16:10Bonkersif I turn on my recorder while holding F1 to get the archos firmware, it turns on just fine
00:17:12Bonkersnot exactly high priority
00:19:13amiconnThe archos won't run properly without batteries
00:19:38amiconnIt has nothing to do with rockbox, it's the way the hardware is designed
00:20:05Bonkersbut the LCD doesn't turn on with the rockbox firmware running, it does with the archos firmware
00:20:37amiconnI repeat: The archos won't run __properly__ without batteries.
00:20:46BonkersI understand that
00:20:47amiconnThat doesn't mean it won't turn on
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00:21:09amiconn..but as soon as the harddisk tries to start, things will stop working
00:21:18Bonkersoh, well I don't have a hard drive connected either ;)
00:21:34Bonkersso the hard drive error displayed quite properly
00:22:01Bonkersnot exactly the kind of bug that needs chasing
00:22:08amiconnOk, so maybe rockbox is looking for the HD and stops working before it initialises the lcd
00:22:22Genre9mp3LOL: From MR threads: Q:Tell me plain and simple: does this fix the "dead battery" issue for those whose players shut off after 30 mins?
00:22:30BonkersI think I tried rockbox with the hard drive but no batteries and that didn't work either
00:22:33Genre9mp3A:This fix provides ~100% increase in battery life. So, if your battery lasts for only 30 minutes, now you can expect a whole whopping hour of playback!
00:22:52amiconnIf you plug the HD and try to run w/o batteries, archos firmware won't work either
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00:23:07Bonkersamiconn: not enough current to run the hard drive you're saying?
00:23:33amiconnIf you run the hardware at a condition it wasn't built for, erratic behaviour isn't considered a bug
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00:24:07BonkersI'll accept that
00:24:34amiconnThe archos (and all other targets so far) are designed to run from batteries, and the charger is *only* a charger, not a power supply that would be able to power the unit on its own, without batteries
00:24:41Mikachuif you're bored you could run some wires from your computer's psu to the battery connectors
00:25:01Mikachumaybe that will have a negative effect if it tries to charge though
00:25:13Bonkersprobably just kill the archos
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00:27:49amiconnIt's possible to run the archos from a regulated (lab) PSU - connected to the battery connectors
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00:28:11amiconnI did that during development of the player flashing
00:28:20Bonkersbut happens to the power circuit when you connect up the a/c though?
00:28:23XavierGrwhy not a standart power adaptor at the specific voltage?
00:28:39Bonkersthe archos is going to try put 8V or whatever on the battery terminals
00:28:52Bonkersand suddenly become very unhappy when the lab PSU is supplying 5V with more current
00:29:04XavierGrit must be very picky then
00:29:06amiconnWhy would I connect the ac adapter when powering from a lab PSU?
00:29:11amiconnWould be a weird idea
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00:29:18Bonkerswell you wouldn't that was just the suggested scenario
00:29:28Bonkers[18:25] <Mikachu> maybe that will have a negative effect if it tries to charge though
00:29:41dwihnoCan anyone recommend a fat32 formatting utility for windows xp? the one in the wiki just won't work :(
00:29:51amiconnIn fact nothing bad should happen as long as the PSU itself doesn't run away
00:30:06Mikachuamiconn: it won't try to charge from usb?
00:30:18amiconnThe archoses don't charge from USB
00:30:24BonkersUSB isn't high enough voltage
00:30:30amiconn(except the FM/V2)
00:30:42Mikachui guses you wouldn't put a transformer in a dap :)
00:30:55amiconn..but then, powering such a beast from a PSU is an entirely different thing
00:30:57Bonkersyou'd need a huge circuit to go 5V->9V with a transformer
00:31:31amiconnWe're talking 'bout the kind of archoses that's powered from 4 NiMH AA cells
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00:32:01Bonkersdoes the FM/V2 have a lower voltage battery or do they have a step up circuit for the USB voltage?
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00:32:35amiconnFM/V2 runs from a LiIon battery
00:32:57amiconnsingle cell voltage, though there are 2 cells connected in parallel
00:33:19amiconnNo step-up required
00:33:19stripwaxdwihno - cygwin? :-)
00:33:43stripwaxPaulJam - was that 'I don't think so' for me? Sounds like it would be a sensible addition!
00:34:53XavierGramiconn: my point was connect a simple power source that is rated exactly as the batteries on the battery connectors. A lab PSU is hard to find at your home.
00:36:04amiconnMikachu: Btw, you don't need a large transformer to step-up convert voltages
00:36:26MadBigSausagestripwax: yep, it was at you. It a good idea it's just that nobody's done it yet
00:36:27amiconnDepending on the current requirements, a switching converter or charge pump will do
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00:37:30amiconnE.g.: The whole Ondio is run from a buck/boost switching converter that produces regulated 3.3V from an input voltage of 2.7 .. 5V
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00:38:33Mikachuamiconn: i never claimed so
00:38:42Mikachubonkers did
00:39:17Mikachui have only studied "traditional" transformers in school
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00:40:07Bonkerstransformers require ac, charge pumps can work on pure dc, so you don't need an oscillator to go dc->ac and then ac back to dc
00:40:26Mikachuthat's true
00:41:37amiconnCharge pumps also need an oscillator
00:42:04amiconnThey don't require a coil though, but some capacitors instead
00:42:07PaulJamstripwax: there is a patch to view (and edit) id3-tags. but i don't know if it works
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00:55:41mongey1holy shit
00:57:19mongey1my h300 is dead
00:57:19mongey1batery went to 2.8 v
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01:02:58PaulJambah, since i upgraded ubuntu shows an ipod icon when i connect my h300
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01:26:10stripwaxMadBigSausage/PaulJam - thanks!
01:26:40stripwaxPaulJam - pity that it only works for id3 and not, say, everything TagCache works for!
01:27:35PaulJamI think when this patch was made only mp3 was supported
01:28:00stripwaxbut now that we have TagCache I have a feeling that this patch could just be rewritten in a much better integrated way. Not so sure about the 'and editing tags' part though
01:29:04stripwaxPaulJam - quite likely, given that the patch predates even "Open With..." .;-)
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01:30:09stripwaxgotta run
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01:31:52Kronuzhey, what would have to be done to put rockbox in "suspend" mode instead of shutting down? (technically speaking)
01:33:24KronuzI was thinking about just stopping the music or plugins, freezing the threads (except for the interrupt handler, which would be changed for a simpler one) switching off the LCD, and putting the processor out of boost mode (to work in 35MHz)
01:33:48Kronuzbut I'm not sure this would be enough or if there is something else I'm missing
01:33:49MikachuKronuz: in suspend mode you would want to run at much lower clock i think
01:34:06Kronuzcan I set the clock rate at will?
01:34:06Mikachui am not sure exactly but the lowest freq is near 50kHz
01:34:14Mikachumore or less, but i don't know the details
01:34:18Kronuz(this is about the only thing I'd like to have in ROCKbox for my iPod)
01:34:23Kronuz(suspend mode)
01:34:28amiconn..according to the PP product brief
01:34:35Mikachuthat's the one
01:35:10amiconnDunno whether thi slow freq is possible to set in the ipod though
01:35:24amiconns/thi slow/this low/
01:36:20b00st4any patch to change the intense of background light for ipod?
01:36:27Mikachuthere is one
01:36:42Mikachuiirc it is not completely perfect yet
01:37:06b00st4is the 64mb memory fix recommendable?
01:37:11amiconnIt uses the timer & software pwm, like the rockbox fade in/out
01:37:24amiconnSome ipods can be dimmed in hardware
01:37:38amiconn...which should be used for brightness
01:37:52Mikachupeakmeter backlight would be useless but fun
01:38:10Mikachumaybe something for sharpe :P
01:38:24b00st4i got a strange problem after compiling today...
01:38:44KronuzI was reading the source code
01:39:02Kronuzand I found out the shutdown in the iPods is actually a deep sleep mode
01:39:09b00st4ive only applied a patch for 64mb upgrade and after rebooting ipod it doesnt respond after all
01:39:12Kronuz(I think, if I understood it well)
01:39:19b00st4and the light dims on startup...
01:39:30b00st4what could that be?
01:40:10Kronuzamiconn: then I'd use 32MHz instead of 35Mhz (but does the other things sound about right then?)
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01:40:29amiconn32 kHz, not 32 MHz
01:40:40Kronuzamiconn: oh :P
01:40:47Kronuzwow, that's slow :)
01:40:49amiconnYou cannot set that with rockbox' frequency setting function
01:41:15Kronuzyeah, I'd had to modify it, or probably access the processor directly
01:41:15amiconnI suspect there's a second crystal that can be selected somehow
01:41:56amiconnThe standard clock generation uses the pll and the 24MHz xtal
01:42:48amiconnTry to find out.... I think that the ipl guys also don't know how
01:43:17Kronuzamiconn: this is getting complicated... I thought it would be easier :P
01:43:56amiconnBtw, there is more than just freezing unwanted threads, switching off the LCD, and clock down
01:44:14Mikachuswitching off the lcd isn't known yet iirc
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01:44:17amiconnThere are probably other hardware components that should be powered off
01:44:43amiconnMikachu: The lcd is one of the best known components... (except for the video)
01:44:43Kronuzamiconn: damn, it's a complicated task then
01:46:01Mikachuamiconn: so it is known how to shut it down and start it up?
01:46:08Mikachuif so do you have any pointers?
01:46:25amiconnCheck the datasheets for the lcd controllers
01:46:33Mikachuhm, okay
01:46:39Mikachui will maybe look at it tomorrow
01:46:40midkayforum spam alert..
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01:46:56KronuzI no longer like apple's firmware (at all), but I don't like the rockbox need to shutdown/reboot :(
01:47:03[g2]anyone have some info about the sans 2xx line ?
01:47:16Kronuzthis is becoming a nightmare ^_^
01:47:55amiconnGreyscale ipods: Renesas HD66753, color/photo/nano: Renesas HD66789R
01:48:17Kronuzapple's firmware is ugly: it looks bad, it sounds bad, it's too bright
01:48:44Mikachuamiconn: thankings
01:48:51amiconnKronuz: While I do like quick power-on, I actually wouldn't like a sleep mode
01:49:18KronuzI've deep thoughts about it, and for me it would be better
01:49:27amiconnI never know for how long I won't use the device, and I don't want to end up with a discharged battery when picking it up again
01:49:46KronuzI much rather have quick power-on (even with no disk access at all)
01:49:50amiconnRockbox boot is really quick, especially if you remove the original fw
01:50:10Kronuzamiconn: but after 24 hours it would be shut down
01:50:13Mikachui think a sleep mode with autoshutdown after 30 minutes wolud be good
01:50:15Kronuzas in apple's firmware
01:50:21Mikachuor optional timeout obviously
01:50:21Kronuzyeah, or 30 minutes
01:50:24Kronuzor whatever
01:50:43amiconn4 seconds boot on my mini g2
01:50:47Kronuz24 hours sound about right for me
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01:51:32Kronuzrockbox on has all this apple issues fixed, but it lacks suspend mode, sound stops a bit when you navigate, navigation is slow, and it doesn't have video support
01:51:39amiconnYeah, anyway: sleep mode will require major reverse engineering / hardware tinkering
01:52:04Mikachuamiconn: it would be nice to shut down lcd properly at shut down
01:52:05KronuzI've found those are the issues I'd like to have fixed in rockbox (listed in priority order)
01:52:15amiconnFor instance, we still don't even know how to power off the hard disk
01:52:27Mikachuand eventually turn it off after playing music for some music without interaction
01:52:40Kronuzamiconn: you know what I was thinking... what about an iPod emulator?
01:52:53Kronuz(to find out about all this unkown stuff)
01:53:05Kronuzlike putting all we know in the emulator and run the original firmware
01:53:11amiconn..which would be desirable even for normal operation (gives a >10% runtime increase on iriver, and similar improvements on archos) but crucial for sleep mode
01:53:27amiconnHow would you build an emulator if you don't know how the hardware works?
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01:53:57Kronuzwell, you buils with what you know... and wait for the firmware start doing unkown stuff to figure out what it is
01:54:21Kronuzlogging what the firmware does
01:54:21amiconnThe same can be achieved by disassembling the original firmware...
01:54:23Mikachui'm not sure that would help you more than just looking at the binary
01:54:36Kronuzwell, it's interactive ;)
01:54:49Kronuzyou can do stuff and see what parts of the code are active
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01:56:46Kronuzamiconn: although you're probably right
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01:56:55Kronuzbuilding an emulator would be difficult too
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01:59:33Kronuzit's just that it's disparing and infuriating not being able to have it working how we want :P
02:00:10RoC_MMmy ipod does not play video
02:00:21RoC_MMand I have not suffered for it yet. Rockbox is a music player last I checked.
02:00:24Kronuzvideo is the last thing in my list... but still
02:00:33RoC_MMmusic player
02:00:47Mikachuthat is a good excuse but it doesn't explain all the crazy plugins
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02:01:27RoC_MMdefault install can boot to iPod firmware if you are holding MENU when the Apple appears, so if you want video, just use APPLEOS
02:02:02KronuzRoC_MM: you're not listening!! apple's firmware is UGLY!!
02:02:12Kronuz(not to mention very limited)
02:02:48RoC_MMWhat's uglier than asking a Music Player to play videos? When .mpeg is implemented, people will want .wmv, when xvid is implemented they'll want h.264
02:03:51KronuzRoC_MM: c'mon that's just an excuse (about the music player,) rockbox is not just a music player
02:04:05Kronuz(and you know it)
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02:04:24RoC_MMIf I recall correctly, playing high-bitrate Video content would make your battery die.
02:04:24Kronuzit just happens to lack video playing at the moment
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02:04:47PaulJami thought rockbox was mainly a gameboy emulator
02:04:51RoC_MMYour saying I could watch a video on my 3G greyscale?
02:05:05RoC_MMOr my 4G?
02:05:10KronuzRoC_MM: can you play doom on your greyscale?
02:05:18RoC_MMNever tried.
02:05:23amiconnNot yet
02:05:23RoC_MMI thought Rockbox was a music player.
02:05:38Kronuzit comes with doom by default
02:05:42amiconnThe grayscale lib isn't ported to the grayscale ipods yet
02:05:48KronuzI'd say that makes it a bit more than a music player
02:05:50RoC_MMa lot of people at my brother's high school have installed Rockbox on their 5G iPod with video decoder so they can play DOOM though.
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02:06:52Kronuzto be precise, I'd say rockbox is a good open source piece of software for portable devices, not a "music player"
02:07:12Kronuzthat's what I think...
02:07:18RoC_MMlast I checked, it only ran on portable music players.
02:07:35RoC_MMrockbox may someday have video codecs, and when it does, that'll be great.
02:07:40Kronuzanyway, as I said, video is last in my list... and it's just something that would be nice to have (not something that's needed)
02:07:52RoC_MMBattery life is more important to me.
02:08:07Kronuzwell, you wouldn't use videos then ;)
02:08:12RoC_MMfo sho.
02:08:13Kronuzbut others would have the option
02:08:30PaulJamdamn, i think i'm using too many patches, rockbox is starting to do funny things.
02:08:45Mikachuit might be fun to grab videos off your digicam with usbotg and show them on your dap
02:08:46amiconnThe point is, rockbox is primarily a dap firmware
02:08:55amiconnIt can be extended by plugins
02:09:01b00st4hm, im gettin a codec failure, what could that be?
02:09:07KronuzRoC_MM: when I play videos is 'cause I have my iPod connected to the power outlet (while traveling mostly)
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02:09:25amiconnPeople are writing plugins for the fun of it, we can't stop them doing so
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02:09:45Kronuzamiconn: that's the spirit :)
02:09:48Mikachui think videos should be a viewer plugin when implemented
02:09:49amiconnOne day someone with enough time & desire to implement video playback will do so
02:10:06Kronuzspecially time :(
02:10:08amiconnIt's just that video playback doesn't have priority
02:10:20Kronuzyeah, that's what I said from the start ;)
02:10:33Kronuz(las ton my list, for the nth time)
02:10:39amiconnMikachu: [02:09:22] <Mikachu> ...when implemented <== Video playback *is* implemented, just not for the newer devices
02:10:46amiconnAnd yes, it is a viewer plugin
02:10:55Mikachuyeah i know, you always correct me on that :)
02:11:16Mikachumaybe someday i will stop forgetting it
02:11:22Kronuzdon't you think WPS should also be a plugin?
02:11:34RoC_MMwhat ports does video *not* work on?
02:11:44RoC_MMor what does it work on, whichever is a shorter list?
02:11:44Kronuzamiconn: for a cleaner architecture?
02:12:28Kronuz(I think it should, but it's just my point of view at the moment)
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02:13:14amiconnBtw, video playback on archos was implemented >18 months after rockbox first played music
02:13:24amiconn..without sound at first
02:13:43Mikachuis it grayscale or monochrome?
02:13:44Kronuzamiconn: are all archos devices color?
02:14:04amiconnThey're 1bit b&w natively
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02:14:24amiconnVideo is played in grayscale (dithering in the time domain)
02:14:31KronuzRoC_MM: there you have it :) videos in greyscale
02:14:40amiconnThat's the idea my grayscale lib is based on...
02:15:00Kronuzwhat do you think about the WPS being a plugin?
02:15:07RoC_MMa better question
02:15:12amiconnNot a good one
02:15:14Kronuzand making plugins easier to integrate with the whole
02:15:16Mikachui think there wouldn't be much left of the core without the wps
02:15:28RoC_MMis does video on the first 4 ipod generator look any good with the greyscale?
02:15:31KronuzMikachu: precisely :)
02:15:33Fredderhello all, Im total newbie ... I have pmp-120 ... rockbox works on it ?
02:15:43KronuzMikachu: the core would be leaner
02:15:46amiconnRoC_MM: [02:05:17] <amiconn> The grayscale lib isn't ported to the grayscale ipods yet
02:16:00RoC_MMi'm just saying
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02:16:14Kronuzand the WPS would be plugged just as a video plugin could be
02:16:17RoC_MMsure video works for greyscale, but greyscale makes video look like unviewable
02:16:24Kronuzand as any other plugin for that matter....
02:16:52amiconnNobody can tell yet. I think it will look good (already 2 different LCDs showed that the concept works - archos recorders/Ondios and the iriver H1x0)
02:17:17Kronuzthere would be the need for a better API to integrate plugins with rockbox, but I think it would be cleaner
02:17:24amiconn..but of course there might be some showstoppers I cannot foresee
02:17:25sharpe yay
02:17:49Kronuzand plugins would be able to play along with rockbox a lot better
02:18:03PaulJamKronuz: but if the wps would be a plugin it wouldn't be possible to run another plugin like batery_bench in the background
02:18:03MikachuKronuz: you have lots of crazy ideas :)
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02:18:18Kronuz(with coomon look-alike interfaces)
02:18:27KronuzPaulJam: why not?
02:18:33Kronuzyou just make a new thread ;)
02:18:40Kronuzit's not technically impossible
02:18:42sharpewould anyone else consider that spam?
02:18:55amiconnKronuz: (1) The wps needs a lot of information only available in the core (2) Only one plugin can be run at a time. Making the wps a plugin would make using other plugins during playback more difficult, and things like tsr plugins impossible
02:19:51amiconnKronuz: Plugins are linked to a fixed address. You cannot run more than one at a time without chaning that concept
02:19:57Kronuzamiconn: yes, a new API would be needed and what it seems impossible would only represent some degree of complexity, but at the end it could be done
02:19:58amiconn...and wasting ram in the course
02:20:05RoC_MMand time
02:20:20RoC_MMWPS already works fine, no need to spend time making it a plugin.
02:20:44amiconnThe wps parser is in urgent need of a rework
02:20:57amiconn..but that's another story
02:21:03Mikachui like how it reparses the whole wps on every screen update
02:21:05KronuzMikachu: well, I just have a bunch of ideas, what can I say... it's a gift
02:22:00amiconnKronuz: Many things can be done, the question is whether it's desirable doing them
02:22:05Kronuzbesides, I come from the OO world, so that's why I have these "modular" object oriented thoughts
02:22:24amiconnThere are some basic concepts in rockbox, one of which is KISS
02:22:44*amiconn tries to stay far away from OO
02:23:12Mikachunew amiconn;
02:23:13Kronuzfor me, you seem too pragmatic about rockbox design, that's all
02:23:37Kronuzbut it's nothing wrong, I'm just too used to "idealistic designs"
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02:24:02amiconnWell, if you want to see how a flexible-but-complex design works, take a look at ipodlinux
02:24:16Kronuz(and idealistically it would be better if the WPS was a plugin)
02:24:30amiconnThe rockbox design is far from ideal
02:24:41Mikachucrazy swedish design
02:24:55amiconn...but it works fairly well, and doesn't waste resources
02:25:08RoC_MMhas ipod battery life improved at all recently?
02:25:13RoC_MMfor anyone?
02:25:25amiconnIt won't improve magically
02:25:47RoC_MMi thought iPods were magical?
02:25:48*JdGordon is starting to take a back-flip on the makeing the wps a plugin idea
02:25:52amiconnNo ipod specific work was done recently
02:26:13Kronuzyeah, rockbox rocks!! just that I'm a maniac probably with OCD... (as I was saying the other day)
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02:26:23JdGordonit will kill stuff that needs the pluginbuffer, i.e playlist-viewer, random folder search, etc
02:26:28Kronuzand I'm a bit from the "software engineering" "square" school of thought... so you put those together :P
02:26:48sharpeunless i magically understand all the things that drain battery life, and learned how to fix it, i didn't do anything with ipods... :)
02:27:25Kronuzhey, I saw that if you press the play button during reboot, it tries to find linux.bin
02:27:38sharpethat's how it works...
02:27:38Kronuzcan you run the linux.bin from fat32?
02:27:40amiconnThat's documented
02:27:41Mikachuthat is a feature
02:27:51preglowMikachu: i love that about the wps too
02:27:52Kronuzhmm, I didn't know, that's cool too :)
02:27:54Mikachubut it will boot linux from the ext partition
02:28:05Kronuzthat's not so cool anymore :P
02:28:10Mikachulinux doesn't work on fat
02:28:14Mikachuunless you have it in a loop file
02:28:18amiconnlinux itself is too stoopdid to run from fat32, but the rockbox bootloader can load the linux kernel from the fat prtition
02:28:20Kronuzthat's what I thought
02:28:20Mikachuwhich is probably also not a good idea
02:28:29Kronuzbut I was wondering ('cause the play button)
02:28:55sharpei still have my bootloader that's customizable and isn't Loader2... hahah...
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02:29:33*amiconn should probably make a minimalistic bootloader
02:29:49sharpewhat's not minimal about them now?
02:29:58amiconnThrow out all button and lcd stuff, and boot straight into rockbox
02:30:11Mikachui think that will not save more than a few milliseconds
02:30:23Mikachui made my bootloader skip drawing the text
02:30:29Mikachuand i made my rb logo an apple with a worm in
02:30:33Mikachuit looks funny when it boots
02:30:38sharpethen the i-only-use-rockbox-for-games-people wouldn't like you much amiconn...
02:30:41Mikachuthe Apple apple suddenly gets a worm in it
02:31:01amiconnsharpe: Not as the cvs bootloader, but for myself
02:31:09sharpeah, righto then.
02:31:39Mikachuamiconn: to decrease the filesize and increase speed that way?
02:32:04preglowto throw away time
02:32:16preglownot much else it will accomplish, that's for sure
02:32:41Mikachuit takes me more time to untangle the headphones than to boot rockbox so i don't care
02:33:01preglowthe only overhead i can think of is the lcd drawing, and that has to be completely negligable
02:33:38amiconnLeaving all that stuff out will make the bootloader smaller -> less stuff for the apple loader to load
02:34:01Mikachuisn't it just a few kB?
02:34:05preglowi think we're still talking a magnitude of miliseconds here
02:34:22MrStaticVoidi am in removing the apple firmware completely
02:34:26preglowsomeday i'll remove retailos
02:34:35preglowand i think that shall be the extent of my boot time dealings
02:34:35MrStaticVoidive heard things about a dummy file or different switches to ipod_fw
02:34:46MrStaticVoidbut i cant seem to get it to work
02:35:49preglowi've heard that i need to sleep
02:35:51preglowgnight all
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02:36:56amiconnMrStaticVoid: What ipod model?
02:37:21MrStaticVoidwith the dummy file i get a folder icon with a link to apple support
02:37:24amiconnI did remove retailos, but then I have a mini g2
02:37:29MrStaticVoidand the -l switch doesnt make a difference
02:38:20amiconnI replaced apple_fw.bin with an empty file (only zeros). It needs a certain minimal size. 512 bytes should be enough
02:38:49amiconnI don't know whether this will work for the video, since the original firmware consists of 2 parts
02:38:55MrStaticVoidah. mine was 1 byte
02:38:55Kronuzokay, I have to go now... I'll be thinking new great *crazy* ideas for rockbox :P
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03:00:04RoC_MMwith tagcache, if I delete a song off the HD on the computer, will tagcache notice that? I got it "loaded in RAM", so it says it will notice new songs "automatically", but what about deleted or moved songs?
03:01:28PaulJamcurrently deleted songs are not automatically removed from tagcache, you need to rebuild it.
03:04:24RoC_MMforce tagcache rebuild
03:04:39RoC_MMwhat about moved songs?
03:04:51PaulJami guess the same
03:05:30PaulJampropably you need to delete the tcd files before forcing the update, but i'm not sure
03:06:42smablydoes anyone here have an H300 non-lcd remote?
03:07:16PaulJami have a non lcd remote
03:08:19smablyoh, nice
03:08:33smablywould you be able to test the remote patch i'm working on in a few minutes?
03:10:23PaulJami can test it, but i'm using several other patches, so the test results might be wrong.
03:11:12smablyhow about i send you the compiled version?
03:11:37PaulJami prefer a patch
03:12:13smablyok, fair enough
03:12:35PaulJambut i will use a clean cvs checkout
03:12:52sharpeno more dirty cvses PaulJam.
03:15:44sharpemeh. i'm off to do something else.
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03:19:54smablyok, uploaded it here:
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03:21:44smablyif the patch does what i hope it does, the REW/FF buttons on the non-lcd remote should work in the menu/filetree
03:27:05PaulJamok, compiling now
03:27:18smablythanks for testing, btw!
03:27:28PaulJamdid you make the diff in the apps dir?
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03:27:51smablyi forget, but i can check
03:28:19PaulJami had problems to apply the patch from the root dir of the source
03:28:48smablyyeah, looks like i did
03:30:55smablyi'm a bit of a n00b at this, so let me know if you have any suggestions or there's anything else i'm doing wrong
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03:36:40PaulJamin the filebrowser/menu play goes to the wps; >>| goes down in the list; |<< goes up in the list; vol+ and vol- do nothing
03:37:00smablyoh, ok
03:37:20PaulJamcorrection: play only goes to wps in the browser
03:37:37smablythanks, that sounds about right
03:38:02smablydo you happen to know what the button behavior is with cvs builds?
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03:39:56PaulJamthe same, exept, that vol- acts like play + |<< (scroll left) and vol+ acts like play + >>| (scroll right)
03:40:32PaulJamor the other way around
03:40:42smablyhmm, ok
03:41:09smablyunfortunately i don't know the button layout very well, so i mapped them wrong in my test
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03:41:26smablydo you think you could try another patch?
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03:41:57smablyone minute
03:45:40smablynew patch uploaded:
03:46:28smablyall i've done is swapped volume +/- with REW/FF
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03:51:45PaulJamBrowser: vol- => down; vol+ => up; play => wps; |<< and >>| do nothing
03:52:12smablyok, good; that means my method works
03:52:27PaulJamMenu: same, but play also does nothing
03:52:52smablyso, i'm able to map the buttons, but i don't really know what they should be mapped to
03:54:26smablywhat do you think of the default mapping?
03:54:32PaulJami have no idea, the remote has not enough buttons.
03:55:05PaulJamcan you recognize a long press of a button?
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03:58:40smablyi think what i'm going to need is for someone to specify a desired button mapping for the non-lcd remote, as Genre9mp3 has done for the lcd one
03:59:16PaulJami would prefer if the remote would always control audoi
03:59:53smablyhmm, so you mean pressing REW/FF in the menu would skip tracks, etc?
04:00:27PaulJamyes, but i think my opinion doesn't count
04:00:36smablyheh, ok :)
04:01:25PaulJamcan you detect simultaneous button presses, e.g. play + vol- or play + vol+ ?
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04:02:27smablyi'm not sure about that; i know that on the main keypad the only combos you can detect are play +[any button], but i don't know how the remote works
04:03:38smablyi'm going to try it and see what happens
04:03:43smably(back soon)
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04:06:11PaulJam_i think on the remote play is the only independent button
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04:07:51PaulJami think at least two buttoncombos would be neccesary to enter the filetree and the menu from the wps.
04:09:27smablyyeah, it would be tricky
04:10:03smablyalso, how physically hard is it to press a button combo on your remote?
04:10:43smablyi mean, the only combo that you can realistically press on the h300-lcd remote is PLAY + STOP
04:13:27PaulJamplay + >>| and play + |<< are easy to press, play + vol+/vol- are a bit harder, but still possible
04:14:30PaulJamI would prefer play + vol+/vol- because it is unlikeley that you press them accidently
04:15:35smablyok, so assuming we can detect play combos, i could map play + vol- to menu and play + vol+ to filetree (or vice versa)
04:18:58PaulJamyes, but the behaviour of the play button on the remote would need to be changed to allow a buttoncombo: now it instantly goes to pause/unpause if you press it, for a buttoncombo it would be propably better if it would act on the release of the button.
04:19:31smablysure, that's no big deal
04:19:32PaulJamlike the play button on the main unit
04:19:44smablyyeah, makes sense for the sake of consistency anyway
04:21:06smablyi think what i'll do for now is post the patch with incomplete non-lcd remote support, get users of the remote to agree on their desired button mapping, and release a final version once that's been determined
04:21:29smablymaybe someone could even start a thead at MR asking people how they'd like the buttons mapped
04:23:30PaulJamif you upload the patch, please make the diff from the rockbox folder (not apps) to avoid confusion.
04:24:17smablysure, i'll make sure to do that
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05:56:39bushblowzbak\IDR_FIRMWARE is the actually rockbox software right
05:56:48bushblowzit goes in my ipods root before installing
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06:25:58bushblowzis anyone here
06:27:08jnci happen to be looking
06:27:45bushblowzis rockbox-2.5-install.exe the same as installer.bat
06:28:42jnci dont know, it was easy to do from linux though
06:28:52bushblowzwas it
06:29:02bushblowzi might just haft to boot into knoppix then
06:29:11jncyou type stuff, and it works
06:29:28jnci dont jnow how it coul get easier than that
06:29:33bushblowzcause i cant seem to find the installer.bat that it says i need
06:29:56jncwow... it's interesting to type on a zaurus
06:30:12jnci'm messing up some letters
06:30:30bushblowzlol those things are cool
06:30:35jncdontcha jnow
06:30:38bushblowzbut i persoally like the HP jornada a little better
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06:30:58jnczaurus is a pain in the arse
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06:31:22jnci am keeping it as a mobile kismet and spreadsheet platform
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06:32:10jnci really would go for a nokia770 with the lcd from a sony psp
06:32:21jncjnow what i mean?
06:32:59bushblowzya that would be nice
06:33:48bushblowzi am thinking about trying out the modchip they made for the PSP
06:33:55bushblowzsee if it is worth anything
06:34:24bushblowzhavnt you heard about that
06:34:26jnc 23:34:30 up 62 days, 21:15, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
06:34:50jnci felt compelled to brag about my z's uptime
06:35:01scorchejnc: i was working on over a year and 2 months, but my cat hit ctrl-alt-del
06:35:19scorcheno kidding
06:35:55jnccats and i are at odds
06:36:16bushblowzscorche are you good with rockbox
06:36:20jncthose feline animals seem to know when i am root uid 0
06:36:35jncthen they mess with my keyboard
06:36:38scorchebushblowz: how exactly is one "good at rockbox"?
06:36:47bushblowzwell i mean could you help me
06:36:50bushblowzi will say that
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06:37:17bushblowzis rockbox-2.5-install the same as installer.bat
06:37:29scorcheif you ask the question, someone will get to you eventually =
06:37:43scorchewhere did you get installer.bat from?
06:37:50bushblowzsome read me
06:38:29bushblowznm i am on the rockbox page now
06:38:34bushblowzso i will just use it instead
06:38:53jncbb: there is an unnaturally high expectation for the calibur of question being asked, before it will be answered plainly, that of which i have not yet seen from your present pool ;)
06:39:20jncit's a good start though
06:40:19jncthe webpage has most of the information you would need in order to begin the rockbox installation on say, an iPod, in example
06:41:51jncasking "hey can you help me" sounds polite, one might think
06:42:06jncit is not usually well received though
06:42:49jncbetter questions indicate that you have or are presently reading, documentation
06:43:09jncas you have now done :)
06:43:38bushblowzi was reading earlier
06:43:46bushblowzjust a bad guide in my opinion
06:44:09jncthat may be a fair assessment
06:44:31jncit is probably written for an audience of technical users
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06:52:52Yannnisomeone want to help me?
06:54:31scorcheYannni: if you ask your question maybe =)
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06:55:53Yannnilol k
06:56:20Yannnii just tried to install rockbox but its still booting the iriver firmware
06:56:38Yannniso what could have i done wrong?
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07:02:41JdGordonwell u did the install wrong :p
07:03:03JdGordon..or your trying to turn it on with the ac plugged in
07:05:52Yannniok ima try to reflash it
07:05:58Yannnior should i not?
07:07:32Yannnihmm funny thing is i just plugged my usb in and it didnt start charging
07:10:41bushblowzwhen it calls for me to extact an unmodified firmware image from my updater what firmware image do i extract
07:16:21Yannnihmm i think i just found a problem with the firmwarepatcher
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07:17:33bushblowznm that was a pointless questions
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07:19:11JdGordonhey hardeep
07:19:20Yannniall i did to make it work was rename H300.hex that was already flashed on my player to h300.hex and tried flashing it again and now it works
07:19:27JdGordoni found my 25min mp3, i could ffwd through it with no probs
07:19:30Jungti1234did ViewCVS update?
07:19:48hardeepJdGordon: thanks... i'm waiting for a response from the person who originally reported the problem
07:19:59hardeepi haven't been able to reproduce with my files either
07:20:10Yannniso im happy but yall really need to look into that
07:20:46Yannnicause i was scared i did something wrong but i didnt
07:23:04Yannniand that wasnt nice of yall to scare me like that
07:23:49Yannnidont make faces at me i might get scared
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07:30:00Yannniwow i must say i love the sound quality now
07:30:59*sadeness poor owner of unsupported yet device
07:31:10bushblowzi dont get why when i type ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin in CMD it tells me cannot open firmware image file bootpatition.bin
07:31:58bushblowzafter i have extracted the fimrware image and renamed it to bootpartition.bin and put it in ipod_fw folder
07:37:28amiconnsmably: The only independent button (i.e. the only button supporting combos) on the H100 remote and the H300 non-LCD remote is BUTTON_RC_ON
07:37:32amiconnOn the H300 LCD remote it is BUTTON_RC_MENU
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07:48:50markunbushblowz: bootpaRtition.bin
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07:50:47bushblowzty markun i will try that
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07:51:08markunbushblowz: no, I was telling you you forgot an r
07:51:30Jungti1234SRS earphone!!
07:51:54markunAt least you wrote the file is named bootpatition.bin (without r)
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07:59:15Jungti1234ANSI code support?
08:01:06amiconnBlargh, boogz 'r' us :(
08:01:57amiconnThe gui list code broke archos remote handling in browser + menu. Settings don't seem to use remote buttons at all (on all targets with remotes)
08:02:45*amiconn wonders WHAT CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD is defined for
08:03:35amiconnI mean, it's highly unlikely to have, say, a target with a H100 keypad but an Ondio remote keypad, or?
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08:06:39amiconnCorrection: settings remote buttons are also only broken on archos. Grmpf!
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08:17:59bushblowzi got rockbox running and feel stupid now lol, i apologize for bothering you guys so much tonight on my lack of motivation
08:18:42markunno problem man
08:19:54bushblowznow that i finished it wasnt that hard
08:20:06bushblowzi just didnt stop and think about what it was telling me to do
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08:33:07Jungti1234It doesn't support?
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08:41:04amiconnZagor: For some reason, cvs time is off by an hour
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09:00:41Zagoramiconn: viewcvs or regular cvs?
09:01:35amiconnI committed sth at 08:40 cest == 06:40 utc
09:02:20amiconnIf you view apps/gui, it said I committed it at 05:38, 61 minutes ago
09:03:08amiconnOh, and btw, the frontpage still shows ce(s)t instead of utc
09:03:56Zagorthe frontpage is bagders script. i'll stick to looking at viewcvs :-)
09:04:14amiconnDidn't you plan to install + test viewvc?
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09:06:02Zagoryes I did, but I took the quick route yesterday and switched to a patched viewcvs that bagder had on the same server
09:07:14linuxstb_amiconn: Reading your desire for a stripped-down bootloader, you could go one step further and just write rockbox.bin to the firmware partition...
09:08:00amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, yes, but then updating it isn't that simple...
09:08:10amiconnipod_fw everytime...
09:08:41Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Make a plugin to do it like the flashing one for Archos\
09:08:43linuxstb_No, but it's easily scriptable.
09:09:09linuxstb_I use a "mount ; unzip ; umount" script to install rockbox now anyway.
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09:09:17amiconnOn windows??
09:09:31linuxstb_Of course not :)
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09:10:19linuxstb_I'm just saying it will give you the fastest theoretical bootup without flashing.
09:10:45*amiconn wants rockbox in flash :/
09:11:00amiconnOn iriver it should be actually possible with a bit of work
09:11:37amiconnOn ipod, many things are missing/unknown which would be required :(
09:11:56amiconn(hardware inits, usb stack, ...)
09:12:17linuxstb_Yes, there's a long way to go before we can think about flashing.
09:12:42linuxstb_I assume Paul_The_Nerd hasn't heard back from Portalplayer?
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09:12:46Paul_The_NerdI have not
09:13:04*amiconn wonders about the result of Slasheri's (Flasheri's) experiments
09:13:35Paul_The_NerdThey haven't said anything to me at all. I think I'll ask politely on Friday for a confirmation as to whether they've received and read my email.
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09:14:00Slasherihmm, maybe it would be good time soon to prepare the flashing code for commit
09:14:49Slasheriand do some little patching to the bootloader to detect if there is rockbox flashed so it can load it automatically
09:15:35Slasherimaybe rockbox could even update the flash contents automatically if it founds a newer version of the firmware from disk
09:15:42linuxstb_Slasheri: Are you running Rockbox from flash? I've forgotten how far your experiments went.
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09:15:59Slasherilinuxstb_: yes, i have had it in flash (not at the moment though)
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09:16:25Slasheriand it can be run directly from flash or loaded in ram as the current version of rockbox is ran
09:17:02Slasherihowever, running directly from flash there was earlier some problems with audio playback that caused rockbox to crash in about 30 min. or so
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09:17:09Slasherinot sure if that issue is still present
09:18:49Slasheriit's also safe to update the flash once the bootloader has been flashed because after that we don't need to touch the critical sections at all
09:19:35Paul_The_NerdCan you have both stock and Rockbox in flash?
09:19:50Slasherino, there is not enough room for both firmwares
09:19:51amiconnSlasheri: Similar method as we use on archos then. Sounds good
09:20:46amiconn(only that we have yet another safety net on archos that doesn't exist on iriver - the archos boot rom)
09:21:16Slasheriah, but on iriver the bootloader should be almost as safe too
09:21:55amiconnOn archos, the flash bootloader + bootbox do the same thing as the iriver bootloader does
09:23:01amiconnThe boot rom is an additional safety (which isn't present on some boxes, btw). It's a mask rom built directly into the CPU, not erasable, with custom, archos-provided code
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09:25:43Slasherihmm, interesting. at least archos is then nice target to try experimental code :)
09:26:09amiconnYes, if you don't mind doing some minor hardware mod
09:26:31Slasheriamiconn: btw, do you think it would be best to keep the bootloader at the end of flash as it's located currently? Then it wouldn't be necessary to create a separate bootloader to be used with the flash version
09:27:29amiconnSlasheri: Btw, the iriver firmware could be fit into the rom with compression (same way as we used to do on archos). But then we'd need a custom loader, because (afaik) the iriver firmware "scatters" itself across the RAM on startup
09:28:02Slasherihmm, yep. a separate loader would be necessary then..
09:28:11Slasheriand then we could even keep the firmware on disk
09:28:18amiconnI don't really see the point in keeping the iriver firmware on H1x0. It still makes sense on H300, because we can't do USBUTG yet
09:28:38Slasherihehe, i don't see either :)
09:28:38amiconnYes, RoLo the iriver firmware...
09:28:39Paul_The_NerdYeah, there's not really anything left for the iRiver firmware to do but WMA
09:28:51amiconnAh, yes, WMA
09:28:51Paul_The_NerdAnd I don't think that's a very strong cause for keeping it in flash.
09:28:59*amiconn doesn't have one single wma track
09:29:22*linuxstb_ has one single wma track
09:29:53amiconnI sometimes use wma, but only in the form of streaming
09:30:00Slasheriand rockbox bootup will be faster and more convient when it's loaded in flash.. for example rockbox logo shows up immediately when you press the power button :)
09:32:01Paul_The_NerdAnd it's not like Rockbox will *never* have WMA, nor is it like you HAVE to flash, anyway.
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09:32:53Slasheriand when rockbox is flashed, we can use the whole eeprom too
09:33:24Slasherithat is nice as it might be possible to make bootup little faster by loading dircache from previous state from disk
09:33:29peturwhich reminds me I should finish that eeprom driver :/
09:33:39Slasherihmm, i have the reading working
09:33:48peturyou have?
09:34:02peturnice, it was still unstable here
09:34:27Slasheriah, i had also some stability problems with it but i think that has been now fixed..
09:34:36Slasherii will do some more testing soon and commit that
09:34:53*petur scraps eeprom work
09:35:24peturSlasheri: I started on it to try to figure out why we are corrupting retailos settings
09:35:39Slasherioh, interesting
09:36:09Slasheriprobably rockbox write some garbage to the eeprom when it crashes or something like that
09:36:39peturI'm not even sure it needs to crash for it to do that
09:37:25peturand as we're not even trying to access the eeprom, it is a very weird problem
09:37:36Slasheriyep, true
09:37:51Slasherihmm.. or probably the clock line is left floating..
09:38:09Slasherithat might also cause the issue, not sure about that in what state it was initialized
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09:39:32sharpeg'night everyone.
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09:41:16midkaynight, sharpe!!
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09:44:41finik-can I do float operations in rockbox on ipod video?
09:44:59midkayyes, technically, but it's STRONGLY discouraged and very slow.
09:45:14linuxstb_Yes, but slowly. It will use gcc's soft-float library.
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09:46:30finik-linuxstb: do I need anything special to enable this mode or just use float double or whatever and it should compile and run?
09:46:42linuxstb_It should just work.
09:47:38linuxstb_But as midkay said, you should avoid floats if you can.
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09:49:06finik-I need it not for frequent operations, I think it should be ok
09:49:46midkayif you can find a way around with ints, it'd be a lot smaller/more efficient.. but *Shrugs*
09:50:06Paul_The_NerdWhat do you need it for, out of curiosity?
09:51:01finik-Paul_The_Nerd: the little project I was working on for to evenings, I even have already some kind of working demo
09:51:21finik-Paul_The_Nerd: it has something to do with google and maps (hint hint :)
09:51:37finik-I need to translate lat and long to x,y coordinates :)
09:52:47finik-I was working only by x,y, but first I can not corelate with real lat/long coordinates, and if I do zoom in and then zoom out I lose the point I was looking at
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09:54:01finik-if you can suggest how to perform this operation in integers I would be more than happy :)
09:54:31linuxstb_If you implement it in floating point, I'm sure someone would optimise it for you at some point.
09:55:28linuxstb_So you're writing a map viewer?
09:55:37finik-linuxstb: sounds good
09:55:52finik-linuxstb: I already wrote one :)
09:55:57JdGordonyour crazy!
09:55:59finik-linuxstb: 2.5 evenings
09:56:01JdGordonbut coooooool :D
09:56:03linuxstb_Big question - where do you get the maps from?
09:56:46finik-linuxstb: I personally get it from google, although I think it is kind of illegal
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09:57:10JdGordonhow much disk space would all the maps take?
09:57:25finik-currently I just did only proof of concept, I have earth tiles for zoom levels 16 15 and 14
09:58:36finik-basically zoom 16 iz 2x2 tiles, zoom 15 iz 4x4, zoom 14 iz no, not 8x8, but close, 7x7 and so on, you can guess where it is going
09:58:57finik-although they don't have all the tiles themselves anyway
09:59:19finik-for example on zoom level 8 you stop seeing antarctica, and I guess a lot of other places
09:59:45finik-personally the original idea was just to get me a map of San Francisco
10:00:06finik-since I get lost there every time :)
10:00:18linuxstb_So you downloaded the entire earth?
10:00:29finik-no, I am not crazy :)
10:00:36petura map viewer for tomtom maps would be nice
10:00:56finik-I said, currently I donwloaded only high level zoom 16, 15 and 14
10:01:11finik-whole earth picture
10:01:25finik-and I converted it to bmp
10:01:27linuxstb_petur: Is the format known?
10:01:45finik-since noone ported libpng yet
10:02:21finik-I guess tomtom is vector graphics
10:02:27peturit is
10:03:41linuxstb_finik-: libpng would be a lot slower and more memory-hungry than bmp anyway.
10:04:22*theli_ua wants to go on roger waters concert on 8th july here :D
10:04:46finik-linuxstb: yes, but you can't compare the disk usage, you know there are very few colors in those tiles, and the pixels are repeating a lot
10:05:41finik-it's a waste to spend 66K on each 256x256 tile
10:06:17finik-when in png they occupy 2-3K on average
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10:09:37linuxstb_What bit-depth are your bmp files?
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10:12:03markunfinik-: if you are just looking for hi-res pictures of the earth you can get them here for free:
10:12:58finik-linuxstb: 256x256x8
10:13:03finik-markun: thanks
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10:20:17linuxstb_finik-: Don't forget that a 2KB file will use 32KB of disk space though...
10:23:11finik-linuxstb: is it really the case?
10:23:33finik-linuxstb: 32k clusters?
10:24:31linuxstb_It depends on your cluster size of course, but I think 32KB is normal.
10:25:40finik-in that case png to bmp is only 1/3 ratio :(
10:25:51linuxstb_I think you can use 16KB clusters for partitions up to 32GB with FAT32.
10:26:28linuxstb_Above 32GB., the minimum is 32KB
10:27:28crwli think i have 32 kB clusters on my 20 gig partition
10:27:41linuxstb_You could probably gain a lot by using a custom image format with simple compression - i.e. one large file.
10:27:56crwlbut hum, looks like i'm wrong
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10:29:46finik-linuxstb: yeah, probably, I'm not worrying about it for now ,seems my coordinates conversion doesnt' work at all :(
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10:33:57peturcan somebody confirm google is down?
10:34:10Paul_The_NerdIt works for me
10:34:11midkayit's not though.
10:34:40JdGordonworking fine here
10:34:40peturI can get to all sites, but not google :/
10:34:58B4gdertheir petur filter is enabled!
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10:36:22peturnow I got a google server error so there must be something
10:36:45B4gderyou have a ?
10:36:56peturtried several ones
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10:37:09peturah... works again
10:41:50markunpetur: I also had trouble loading google
10:42:31peturso they route traffic to certain servers no matter what server you typed...
10:47:05amiconnSlasheri: Your eeprom driver will probably collide with the pcf50605 driver on H300. The eeprom and the pcf use the same i2c bus.
10:52:44Slasheriamiconn: ah, interesting. but then the eeprom chip must have a different address
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10:55:18amiconnMaybe you and petur can work on combining the drivers
10:55:35Slasherihmm, true
10:55:38Slasherisounds good
10:58:15peturmine actually used parts of the pcf50605 driver (I admit, it was a hack)
11:00:13Slasheribut maybe the first thing to do might be to add detection to the bootloader so if it founds rockbox has been flashed, then it will default to flash instead of disk
11:06:28*B4gder updated
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11:09:11*preglow loves flash embedded movies
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11:09:24preglowperhaps when macromedia makes a 64 bit plugin i can view them too
11:09:47B4gderyoutube has a bunch of rockbox videos now
11:11:06peturis there a rockbox group on youtube?
11:11:15amiconnpreglow: There's a flash player in debian-amd64
11:11:27B4gderpetur: I don't know, I just searched for rockbox
11:11:33amiconn...but it doesn't work as good as the macromedia one
11:12:33peturif you make a group, eveybody can add their movies to that group and you just link to the group page
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12:05:05juxtapcan anyone recommend a program that will scale down .jpg files and convert them to .bmp? (for album art)
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12:26:57Acksawhas anyone here got a pure .hex file for the h320 with the latest bootloader? pure meaning not edited in anyway apart from being patched for rockbox
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12:31:31PaulJamAcksaw: you could look here:
12:32:29PaulJamwhy don't you patch yourself?
12:32:40Acksawthe patcher doesnt work for me
12:32:46Acksawme and linus went through it ages ago
12:32:53Acksawdid cheksums and everything
12:32:57Acksawwhats this 1.29 us?
12:33:20Acksawi dont know which to download
12:33:26Acksaw>>Download H320/340 Firmware V1.29 KR-Version<<
12:33:31Acksawis that one already patched?
12:34:13PaulJam>>Download H320/340 Bootloader V5 EU-Version<< or >>Download H320/340 Bootloader V5 KR-Version<<
12:35:13Acksawso, thats patched already
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12:35:45PaulJamyes, these two are patched (at least the page says so)
12:36:06Acksawtheres 2 .hex's in the rar
12:36:38PaulJamrar? i only see links to zips
12:36:41Acksawah i know which is which :)
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12:38:52Acksawupgrading now
12:44:47Acksawwhen i load a .wps
12:44:53Acksawthe font colour doesnt change
12:45:21PaulJamit is better to load a theme via the load theme menu entry
12:45:33Acksawthats what i did
12:45:39Acksawthe Browse Themes area
12:46:11PaulJamthen the theme propably doesnt specify a font colour
12:46:34Acksawi think it used to
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12:47:13Genre9mp3Acksaw: Which theme are you trying to load?
12:49:00Acksawgonna try a few others
12:49:17PaulJamit could be that the ajant theme uses the old colour format
12:50:22PaulJamyou can open the .cfg file in the .rockbox/themes/ folder and edit it:
12:50:48juxtapi have the same problem... when i select a new theme it uses the font colour of the last them loaded
12:50:48PaulJamforeground color: 7BC7C6
12:51:14PaulJamand background color: 212000
12:51:36PaulJamthe .cfg file id a normal text file.
12:51:44PaulJamid => is
12:53:16*Genre9mp3 wants the generated theme files in CVS specify colours as well
12:55:00PaulJambtw, does someone have a formula how to convert rgb values from 0-255 to the rockbox colour format?
12:56:36B4gderGenre9mp3: I agree it should
12:56:36Acksawmy album art doesnt load
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12:56:49JdGordonPaulJam: RGB_PACK() or something like that
12:56:51B4gderPaulJam: there's a macro for that
12:57:14PaulJami meant the value in the cfg file
12:57:18Acksawthe font aint changing auto
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12:57:50PaulJamAcksaw: have you downloaded the fonts pack?
12:57:50Genre9mp3PaulJam: I remember doing that with Photoshop, but sure must be another way
12:57:57Acksawdont think so
12:59:02Genre9mp3PaulJam: The Eyedropper tool in Photoshop has a "Copy Colour as HTML" option
12:59:16markun"Rockbox for Fonts" :)
12:59:41B4gderya ya ya
13:00:51markunB4gder: can you remove and ?
13:00:56Acksawstill isnt changing..
13:01:33B4gdermaybe we should redirect to alternative pages instead of just remove
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13:01:40markunyes, that would be better
13:02:03markunredirect the lang page to viewcvs?
13:02:26B4gderor even
13:02:31markunah yes
13:02:42Acksawhow do i take a screendumo
13:02:47Acksawso i can show you guys
13:03:08Acksawfound it
13:04:05JdGordoniv just realised the colour-picker screen displays on the lcd remote but doesnt work... do i redo the screen to look sane on the remote or ignore it complety (because the remote is b+w) ?
13:04:24markunB4gder: are there more of these outdated pages?
13:04:30Acksawanyone got any ideas why its not working
13:04:41B4gdermarkun: I bet!
13:05:00PaulJamAcksaw: this wps requires a patched build
13:05:06B4gder for example...
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13:06:56markunB4gder: perhaps this should be move to the wiki:
13:07:04B4gderyes indeed
13:07:27PaulJamAcksaw: there are several patches required for this wps, e.g. scrolling text margins, album art...
13:08:11Acksawwill they all be in KOSH's experimental?
13:08:23PaulJami think so
13:08:40Acksawanyideas which to get
13:08:42Acksawits confusing..
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13:09:24markunB4gder: :)
13:09:28PaulJami'm not sure, but i would take the latest
13:09:57markunAnd now it's even not a joke anymore
13:10:04Genre9mp3markun: LOL
13:10:18Acksawi dont even know which one is the latest
13:11:21JdGordonWTF is this code about :p (me learns once again to comment his code..)
13:11:34markunAcksaw: how can you not know? There is a version number and a date, right?
13:19:07JdGordongrr... wy doesnt my screen show on the lcd in the sim but it does on the player?
13:20:35JdGordondouble grr... who was the naughty person who commited my colour picker screen? full of bugs :D
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13:34:54JdGordoncan u simultae the remote keys in the sim?
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13:38:25JdGordonanyone around still??
13:40:04JdGordonare fixes for the remote acceptable for 3.0?
13:40:21JdGordoni mean gettins screens working on it
13:40:26peturI think so, yes
13:40:38JdGordonok, cool
13:40:48JdGordonfixed the color picker, now im gonna fix the vkeyboard
13:44:23JdGordonactually... i tihnk ill pass on the vkeyboard for now :p
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13:44:56sadenesswhat is vkeyboard?
13:45:51peturused for entering text (filenames,..)
13:46:12sadenesstouch screen?
13:46:27sadenessor joystick fun? :-D
13:46:44peturjoystick / keys
13:47:04peturthere's no player with touchscreen (yet)
13:47:30sadenessok. thanks.
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13:52:32linuxstb_JdGordon: Apart from the #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD typo, what was the problem with the remote support in the colour picker?
13:57:31linuxstb_Yes, I've seen the patch, but I don't understand the changes.
13:58:06JdGordonlinuxstb_: make that screen work on the lcd remote, also there was wrong #ifdefs on it
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13:58:37JdGordonsorry, didnt read your first msg.. ye the screen didnt work at all on the remote lcd, now it does
14:03:25linuxstb_Was the problem that with a large font, you didn't see all three sliders on the remote?
14:06:35JdGordonno, even witht he system font you cant see all 3 sliders on the lcd
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14:15:10theli_uapetur, you shouldn't .. it can bite you
14:16:40peturI keep it behind glass (the monitor) :)
14:17:11theli_uapoor animal :(
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14:57:13JdGordonis it only the irivers that support a remote so far?
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14:58:06smablynope, archos recorders seem to as well
14:58:20linuxstb_I think the X5 has one. And I hope to one day add video-out support on the ipods - which will mean a second screen on those targets.
14:58:28B4gderthe x5 has one, yes
14:58:57B4gder2bit slightly bigger resolution than the iriver ones
15:00:19JdGordonok, so ive got some more key mappings to fix up :p
15:00:44B4gderrockbox doesn't support the x5 one yet
15:00:45JdGordonout of curiosity, can u use the x5 remote with the iriver? and vice verca?
15:00:57JdGordonoh well
15:00:59B4gderthey have different plugs
15:01:06JdGordonah ok
15:01:22linuxstb_JdGordon: Maybe the #ifdefs surrounding the remote keys in the switch statement should check for that particular key definition, and not the use the HAVE_LCD_REMOTE define at all.
15:01:32JdGordonye, done that
15:01:41B4gderand since the x5 is 2 bit it would be hard to imagine the same code working for both
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15:03:10smablyJdGordon: what are you working on?
15:05:19JdGordonfixing some screens that dont work with the remotes
15:06:33*ashridah hands JdGordon a cookie
15:06:40JdGordonmmmm cookie :D
15:07:01ashridahthe less often i have to take the main unit out of my pocket, the better
15:07:07peturlol... I'm just eating some :)
15:07:27smablywoot @ JdGordon
15:07:56ashridahanyway, i'm hitting the sack. got my last exam done today (finally ffs), and now i've just got 35 shell scripting assignments to mark, and i'm all done for this semester
15:08:05ashridah(just in time to start NEXT semester's preparation work :S)
15:08:35JdGordonhaha, nice
15:08:45*JdGordon 's last exam is tomorow
15:08:56ashridahyeah, well, i did kinda agree to write the labs and all. my own damned fault, really. :)
15:10:00ashridah(still, gives me an excuse to play with 18 sun machines all holidays :) )
15:10:08ashridahmmm. sun opteron workstations.
15:10:45*petur spots 18 potential buildservers ;)
15:11:03ashridahpetur: unfortunately, they're not internet connected in any way
15:11:25*B4gder spots lots of work for ashridah to copy the builds to each server
15:11:25ashridahbesides, the TSG would notice the unusual bandwidth usage patterns, they're VERY quick
15:11:53ashridahB4gder: hah, i'd probably just string a hidden serial cable to another machine someplace and have it do UUCP or something bizarre like that :)
15:12:00ashridahwouldn't really be too effective
15:12:10B4gderyou think? :-]
15:12:36JdGordongrr... i somehow broke the equalizer screen :'(
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15:13:17JdGordonhehe, forgot to take out the i++ at the end of the while loop when i changed it to for :p
15:18:55JdGordonpatch submitted...
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15:28:07*smably is confused
15:29:17JdGordoncongrats :D
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15:36:56*smably gives up and does something useful
15:51:22linuxstb_JdGordon: Looking at your remote patches, I'm not sure why you are using separate functions for the remote. Could you just use one function which adapts to the characteristics of the current screen?
15:53:35JdGordonyes for the color picker, not easily for the eq..
15:54:37JdGordonlinuxstb_: i figured it would still be easier to maintain if it was seperated.
15:55:33JdGordonanyway, bed time, cyaz
15:55:35linuxstb_But there's a lot of duplicated code in the two draw_eq_slider functions... Also, the main screen could be an Archos screen in the future...
15:56:34JdGordonok, well i wont be around much tomorow or saturday and then not at all till wednedsay, but there is no rush, so if u dont like it no worries, ill redo them late next week
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15:56:55JdGordon... unless someone beats me to it...
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16:20:57jimbohi guys Rockbox sounds great but how do you build the ipod_fw Linux binary from the install guide?
16:21:26B4gdergcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
16:21:41XavierGr <-is this wiki spam?
16:21:48XavierGrlook at the link down below
16:22:03B4gderis indeed
16:22:32XavierGr3 links from him
16:25:15jimbothanks B4gder but that doesnt seem to work, iv installed kernel-headers is there anything else i might need? as for the wiki link...?
16:25:27B4gderwhat doesn't work?
16:25:56jimbogcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
16:26:02B4gderwhat happens?
16:26:58*B4gder blocks the spammer's ip
16:27:59preglowjimbo: what does gcc say when you do that?
16:28:10preglowwe need more dtails than 'doesnt work'
16:29:01jimboJust a whole load of errors! for example
16:29:06jimbo$ gcc-4.0 -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
16:29:06jimboipod_fw.c:25:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
16:29:06jimboipod_fw.c:26:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
16:29:06DBUGEnqueued KICK jimbo
16:29:06jimboipod_fw.c:27:20: error: string.h: No such file or directory
16:29:06jimboipod_fw.c:28:19: error: errno.h: No such file or directory
16:29:06***Alert Mode level 1
16:29:06jimboipod_fw.c:29:20: error: unistd.h: No such file or directory
16:29:08jimboipod_fw.c: In function ‘print_image’:
16:29:10jimboipod_fw.c:98: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’
16:29:12jimboipod_fw.c: In function ‘usage’:
16:29:14jimboipod_fw.c:109: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’
16:29:16jimboipod_fw.c: At top level:
16:29:16B4gderthat's a bad compiler install
16:29:18jimboipod_fw.c:134: error: syntax error before ‘*’ token
16:29:19linuxstb_Enough! :)
16:29:20jimboipod_fw.c: In function ‘copysum’:
16:29:26preglowhave you installed build-essential?
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16:29:34jimboill check
16:29:49preglowlooks like you're lacking pretty much everything you can lack but gcc itself
16:29:52linuxstb_Which Linux are you using?
16:31:44jimbothat sounds about right, Ubuntu. I didn't know about the build essential package oops
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16:31:52preglowi love that package
16:32:05preglowgcc not being dependent on it is... retarded
16:32:28linuxstb_I guess technically you can use gcc without it...
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16:32:50jimbohmm ill defiantly keep it in mind in the future
16:34:21preglowthey're not doing themselves any favours with that kind of foolishness
16:34:34preglowi'll bet they get a ton of questions about it
16:35:45linuxstb_I installed Debian the other day, and I didn't need to specify build-essential. I think I only chose gcc.
16:36:35B4gderthere's no "build-essential" in debian
16:37:03B4gderthere is
16:37:04linuxstb_There is in my debian...
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16:37:13B4gdernone of my machines have that installed
16:37:21preglowall i know is that ubuntu requires it
16:37:31preglowtrying to compile without installing it isn't very productive
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16:40:20jimbosuccessful build! thanks you
16:40:33B4gderI have the 'libc6-dev' package installed for the headers
16:40:38markunB4gder: could you take a look at the firmware of the Meizu M6 if you have time?
16:41:14markunIt has the same ARM9 as the iriver E10 and there are a lot of strings in the firmware update file
16:41:24markunbut it doesn't look like valid ARM code to me
16:41:38linuxstb_Is that one of the "secret" Samsung chips?
16:42:07linuxstb_So I would expect the next ipods to be similar...
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16:44:27markunI think the Meizu M6 looks really nice. linuxstb, are you still looking for a flash based player or do you have a nano now?
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16:46:55linuxstb_markun: I'm more interested in a huge (e.g. 160GB) capacity player than a flash based player. But there's also a lot of interesting stuff left to do on the ipods...
16:47:14Mikachuover the years, >5, i have only 25GB music
16:47:19B4gdermarkun: I don't have time right now, but it could be worth to check if it perhaps is thumb mode
16:47:36markunB4gder: I tried that as well
16:47:36linuxstb_thumb was my first thought as well.
16:47:39B4gderas it seems to be unscrambled
16:47:51B4gder"Assertion failed: function %s line %d"
16:48:02markunbut perhaps I'm doing something wrong
16:48:15B4gderI'll check some more later on, gotta go now
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16:49:05linuxstb_Mikachu: I'm sure that would be bigger if you used FLAC...
16:49:26peturIs it just me or do more and more organizations start to distribute debug builds?
16:50:32linuxstb_Maybe Rockbox should...
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16:56:58Mikachulinuxstb_: that is definitely so
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17:13:45lamedI'm editing a bash script file on winxp using devcpp, then when I try to run it right away on vmware player it says bad interpreter: tex file busy. anything i can do about this other then editing on vmware?
17:16:12Mikachutry "bash"
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17:17:15lamedmikachu: i'm writing "upsys". do you mean "bash"? -because there's no such file
17:17:30Mikachuby i mean the filename
17:17:36Mikachuso yeah, bash upsys
17:17:52linuxstb_Does the file have DOS line endings?
17:17:54Mikachuis this over a samba share?
17:18:05lamedvmware uses samba
17:18:16lamed..but I have #!/bin/bash
17:18:45Mikachui don't think linux likes executing mmapped files
17:19:02linuxstb_So is the file saved on the Linux disk or the Windows disk?
17:20:35lamedwell, it frees the file a few seconds afterwards saving, so I guess it has some kind of a mechanizem (wouldn't dare guessing what is it.). linuxstb_ : vmware is a virtual machine, so its actually saved in an ntfs file.
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17:21:24linuxstb_lamed: OK. But you could also use samba to export the Linux disk, and access it from windows as a network drive.
17:21:58linuxstb_I think the Rockbox vmware image does that already.
17:22:00lamedmikachu: works! thanks!
17:22:45lamedlinuxstb_ : I could also... do what it already does..?
17:24:14linuxstb_I mean the Debian image will export its disk - you just need to access it from Windows.
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17:33:07Mikachulinuxstb_: can you /b temporarily?
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17:33:15lamedthat sucks.
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17:34:01Mikachuif you use irssi, /ignore Kohlrabi joins quits
17:34:40Mikachui was telling everyone else
17:34:44KohlrabiI know
17:34:46KohlrabiSorry :(
17:34:51KohlrabiHow often was that?
17:34:55KohlrabiComputer was unresponsive
17:34:58Mikachuten times maybe
17:39:37lamedcan I do double conditions in one IF bash statement? if [ "$me" > 0 && "$me" < 47 ]; then ?
17:40:09lamedor do i have to break it down for two statements?
17:40:30_FireFly_lamed: man test ;)
17:40:39_FireFly_the [ is an symlink to test
17:40:50Mikachuif [ "$me" gt 0 -a "$me" lt 47];then i believe
17:41:07Mikachu-gt and -lt
17:41:27Mikachu_FireFly_: actually it isn't
17:41:41Mikachu27K 2006-05-23 01:54 '/usr/bin/['
17:41:43Mikachu25K 2006-05-23 01:54 /usr/bin/test
17:43:05preglowi bloody LOVE the fact that [ is a program
17:43:06_FireFly_ok but at least it has the same syntax as test
17:43:26Mikachuactually actually, it's also a builtin command in most shells, so that binary is very rarely called
17:43:29Mikachuit's just a failsafe
17:44:09Mikachu$ [
17:44:09Mikachubash: [: missing `]'
17:44:13Mikachu$ /usr/bin/[
17:44:13Mikachu/usr/bin/[: missing `]'
17:44:28Mikachuand in zsh, % [
17:44:29Mikachuand in zsh, [: ']' expected
17:44:38Mikachuhrm, why was that printed twice?
17:45:22lamedno -a on "man test"
17:45:25Mikachuthere is also [[
17:45:27lamedi guess -a = and?
17:45:30Mikachuwhich is like [ but is only a builtin
17:45:42Mikachulamed: it's the third entry from the top
17:45:46Mikachu EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2
17:45:46Mikachu both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true
17:46:44lamedmanpage: july 2004, ver 5.2.1. maybe it won't work... (-a isn't there really)
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17:59:57webguest20someone here, who can help me?
18:02:44CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:02:44*linuxstb_ guesses an answer: Force it into disk mode.
18:02:45webguest20i've a problem, in displaying the scrolling margins, while using 24 bit wps.. but i've already tried all experimental build from the moment, which have already the scrolling margins patch applied...
18:02:54*linuxstb_ loses
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18:03:54webguest20and always cleared the settings... always the scroll bar.. while using a color wps, is not on the correct place.. , i don't know how to fix it.. searching for help atm..
18:04:17tucozHi, is it just to delete the cygwin folder to get rid of that?
18:05:20tucozget rid of cygwin that is
18:06:00lamedhow do I NOT this statemet: "if [ -e sysfont.lang ]; then" ?
18:06:33liyang[ ! -e sysfont.lang ]
18:06:41lamedלא עובד
18:06:44lamednot working
18:07:09liyangAt the shell prompt you'll have to escape the ! as \!
18:07:13lamed[! :command not found
18:07:22lamedit's in a file
18:07:28MrStaticVoidspaces are important
18:07:48lamed[ !
18:08:18lamedhehe... thanks. (spaces are _really_ important in bash I see)
18:09:48Mikachuwebguest20: i think you just found the meaning of experimental
18:11:15lamedbut I still can't elif [ "$LANGUAGE_SYSFONT_ENTRIES" gt "0" -a "$LANGUAGE_SYSFONT_ENTRIES" lt "47" ]; then , so I guess test on the rockbox vmware virtual machine is really a bit old.
18:11:38Mikachu17:40:55 <Mikachu> if [ "$me" gt 0 -a "$me" lt 47];then i believe
18:11:38Mikachu17:41:13 <Mikachu> -gt and -lt
18:12:37liyangTIEM PARADOX: 17:11:38 < Mikachu> 17:40:55 <Mikachu>
18:12:59Mikachuoh gnose, what will we do
18:13:17liyangcausality crisis. Everybody panic. ;_;
18:14:43lamedactually, it turns out bash can handle < and > signs on the first statement, but it must use -lt on the second. 8)
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18:15:33liyanglamed: ORLY? Are you sure you don't have a random file named 47 or something in your current directory now?
18:16:07liyang(it's not bash, it's test/[ interpreting the -gt and -lt, and as far as I know test doesn't recognise < nor >)
18:16:28Mikachuand as i said earlier, [ and test are builtins in bash
18:17:15lamedliyang: ORLY? i'm not sure if it really turns out < and > like it should, but it doesn't complains....
18:17:27liyanghopefully not to the extent that it doesn't behave with the usual command semantics...
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18:59:06BoZZI got a question!! Sort of serious one too :)
18:59:19preglowthen ask!
19:00:12BoZZI have Rockbox on my iRiver h140, I had it at a party and I duno if its something someone did or what, but its fucked itself
19:00:35preglowa bit more descriptive, please
19:00:36BoZZand doesn't have a sound output, and slows right down (cpu wise) when a song is playing, (so menus take ages to open etc)
19:00:53BoZZ(thats the build up)
19:01:04Hansmaulwurfonly in rockbox?
19:01:13Hansmaulwurfor with iriver FW too?
19:01:19BoZZnah the old firmware too (i think its hardware related)
19:01:28preglowthen yes
19:01:30BoZZi have the warrenty, but i presume they won't repair it if its got 3rd party firmware (such as rockbox)
19:01:31preglownot much we can do
19:01:37preglowthen remove rockbox
19:01:48BoZZI have tried removing rockbox, but it still got the bootloader on
19:02:05BoZZbut just goes to the original firmware
19:02:22Hansmaulwurfcan you start the iriver FW?
19:02:34FebsYou need to flash a clean version of the iriver FW. (Clean = not patched with RB)
19:02:43BoZZby holding record? or just in general
19:02:59preglowi don't know if flashing is safe at all in the state your box is in, but it's worth a shot
19:03:00BoZZyeah, it loads up
19:03:06crwldidn't plugging a wrong charger cause something like that for someone?
19:03:07BoZZjust with the bootoader
19:03:13Febs[what preglow said]
19:03:26Mikachudap at party = break
19:03:30BoZZwell, im not worried about fucking it over more, just that they wont repair it with rockbox on
19:03:39Hansmaulwurfthen put a clean firmware on your player, start the iriver FW and flash the player with the clean one
19:03:41preglowthen try flashing a clean firmware
19:03:44Hansmaulwurfand then send it to them
19:03:44preglowand remove all traces of rockbox
19:03:51BoZZcheers guys
19:04:07FebsHow is it that you still have warranty on an H140 anyway?
19:04:09Hansmaulwurfand dont forget to delete the rockbox dir
19:04:12BoZZit was plugged in all night
19:04:19BoZZ2 year warrenty =)
19:04:38HansmaulwurfFebs: in germany the H100 series was sold till the end of 2005
19:04:47Hansmaulwurfand with 2 years warrenty
19:04:56linuxstb_As someone pointed out the other day:
19:05:00BoZZi got mine christmas 04
19:05:07BoZZfrom uk :)
19:05:12Mikachuall devices have two years warranty by law in sweden if i'm not mistaken
19:05:17Hansmaulwurfwell, but then you have no warrenty
19:05:29Hansmaulwurfits more than 2 years
19:05:45lamedhow do i connect a variable with a string to form a new string? I want to get, ASD=helloworld, given $hello=hello, ASD="$helloworld" is a mistake...
19:05:45BoZZits 2 years in dec 06
19:05:48Mikachuum, christmas 04 was not more than 2 years ago
19:05:52Hansmaulwurfhm right
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19:06:02Mikachulamed: ${hello}world
19:06:05preglowwe're explicitely mentioned
19:06:06Hansmaulwurfwas wrong
19:06:06preglowhow cute
19:06:51Mikachuthey should have specified in more detail what they mean by "altered"
19:07:28BoZZif the player is opened, repaired, modified or altered by third parties e.g. Rockbox, unless such repair, modification or alteration is expressly authorized in writing by iriver;
19:07:39BoZZpretty obvious they mean rockbox
19:07:46Mikachuit's not modified by rockbox, it's modified by you
19:07:47Mikachuthe second party
19:07:58BoZZtrue true
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19:08:07BoZZlove the way they name dropped it so people who don't know what Rockbox is would look it up
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19:08:09preglowMikachu: attending law school, are we?
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19:08:20Mikachuno, just making up as i go along
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19:08:36Mikachubut they could have just said "running other firmware than ours"
19:08:39FebsI've always wondered if they'd be able to enforce such a disclaimer when the "alteration" is not what caused the failure of the device.
19:09:01BoZZits how well you can prove that
19:09:08linuxstb_you or them?
19:09:09preglowi don't think they enforce it too often, they just use it to scare people away from trying to rma in the first place
19:09:13Mikachuif you can show it's a fault of manufacturing they are probably required by law to replace it
19:09:26BoZZyou could point out hardware failiure, but rockbox could "overstress" they hardware by not using it for its intention
19:09:45FebsRockbox manages the hard drive better than the iriver firmware.
19:09:54BoZZor something like that, im sure they would just crush you with expensive lawyers
19:10:01*linuxstb_ just realises his h140 is still under warranty...
19:10:03*Hansmaulwurf has 3 hours more battery runtime with rockbox
19:10:22Febslinuxstb: Not anymore! You've "altered" it with Rockbox!
19:10:24MikachuBoZZ: i think that only works in the us
19:10:31linuxstb_Febs: Prove it.
19:10:33Hansmaulwurfyes Mikachu
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19:10:42BoZZim sure ie, playing gameboy games must over use it a little?
19:11:09Hansmaulwurfin germany the consumer-groups would crush the lawyers
19:11:27Mikachuwhich is how it should be in a proper democracy :)
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19:11:52linuxstb_BoZZ: If you're paranoid (I would be), clear the config block...
19:12:22BoZZhow do I do that?
19:12:34linuxstb_Do you have Linux or Cygwin or Mac OS X available?
19:13:37bluebrotherBoZZ, Cygwin is a unix environment for Windows.
19:14:27BoZZnope, not right now.
19:14:44BoZZis that the only way of doing it?
19:15:13linuxstb_It could be dangerous to your FAT partition if I get this number (62) wrong, but I think you need to do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda seek=62 count=1" where /dev/sda is your iriver.
19:15:57linuxstb_I'm sure there are Windows tools that allow you to edit raw disk sectors, but I don't know what they are.
19:16:01markunlinuxstb_: are there any problems with rockbox on the mini?
19:16:07markunipod mini
19:16:14linuxstb_No more than any other ipod afaik.
19:16:42markunI googled for 'rockbox sucks'
19:16:53markunand some guy complained that it sucks on the ipod mini
19:17:09Mikachui like the third hit
19:17:13MikachuRockbox does NOT "suck"
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19:19:56Mikachuit must be awesome to work at apple support
19:22:10linuxstb_And the last comment.... "I REFUSE to format it to FAT 32. That only invites slow speeds and severe crappiness."
19:22:17markunall the rockbox hatred is from ipod users it seems
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19:24:07linuxstb_I think it's simply that most ipod users are happy with itunes and the Apple firmware for their music needs. Rockbox is for the other 5%.
19:24:39ryranor for the 5% that decided to buy an ipod just to put rockbox on it...
19:24:55FebsThe problem is that a large part of the 95% can't understand why anyone would want to avoid iTunes.
19:24:56Mikachuor for people who won it
19:24:59markunI can understand that rockbox is not for everyone
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19:25:41XavierGrmarkun: No, I refuse to understand that
19:25:42FebsAnd of course, it seems that a disproportionately high number of the other 5% seem to want Rockbox just to play Doom.
19:25:48TeaSeaRockbox IS for me.
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19:26:34XavierGrthough I can understand that rockbox on iPod has many quircks currently
19:26:46ryranit does?
19:26:58markunXavierGr: why? It has all these useless features for most people and looks ugly by default
19:27:31XavierGrNo, it doesn't look ugly. It is just minimal
19:27:43XavierGrAnd it can be very beautifull with the right WPS
19:27:54XavierGrAnd useless features?
19:27:59markunyes.. minimal font size for example
19:28:09XavierGrI lost you there maybe you are being sarcastic?
19:28:22markunplaying musepack files for example, don't think many people even know it exists
19:28:27XavierGrthe font size can be either humongus or tiny so...
19:28:37XavierGrthis isn't useless though
19:28:45markunXavierGr: you know I love rockbox, right?
19:29:03markunI'm even wearing my rockbox t-shirt as I'm typing
19:29:07saa[b_r]iderno, markun doens't love rockbox...
19:29:14saa[b_r]iderthat's an understatement :D
19:29:18linuxstb_But the eye-candy should be in place before 3.1 - so Rockbox will hopefully both sound and look better than the Apple firmware...
19:29:42XavierGrWell I said that on apple it can me a little harsh for the time being.
19:29:46Mikachui think the main menu should be reorganized
19:29:48markunI vote again for icatcher as the default theme
19:29:55Mikachuit still confuses me every time i want to do something
19:29:58XavierGrBut that was the case for H100 and H300 when development started up
19:30:06saa[b_r]iderspeaking of eyecandy, I read that the devs have some "viewports" planned for the WPS?
19:30:15XavierGrmarkun: all vote for that the problem is performance
19:30:18FebsMikachu: what confuses you?
19:30:33linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: Yes, the viewports idea has been around for a while.
19:30:34Mikachufirstly there are three different settings menus in the main menu
19:30:36XavierGrhardeep reported a 20 seconds delay on archos with fragmented hd
19:30:45XavierGr20 seconds boot delay
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19:31:09saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: is this what amiconn was talking about yesterday? having plugins viewed in the WPS?
19:31:11linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: And it won't just be in the WPS, it will be implemented at the LCD driver level, so it can be used anywhere in Rockbox.
19:31:23XavierGr2-4 seconds, I think, for irivers on non-fragmented disks
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19:31:26linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: No, that was a new idea.
19:32:18saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: so what will these viewports be able to do?
19:32:31linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: A "viewport" is simply a window in the screen, and then all text/image drawing happens inside that window.
19:32:32FebsMikachu: I don't understand what is confusing about that. Each of the three settings menus deals with a different group of settings.
19:32:37markunXavierGr: what kind of performance problem is there?
19:32:54MikachuFebs: traditionally the layout would be main menu -> settings -> category
19:33:01linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: And things like scrolling will be confined to the viewport (meaning the scroll-margins patch isn't needed).
19:33:03Mikachunot main menu -> { category settings }
19:33:15XavierGrmarkun: well when Rockbox boots it needs to load the various bitmaps on memory. So in the worst case scenario a very long delay can occur during boot
19:33:27linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: Apart from the WPS, another use could be to make some of the menus appear as pop-up menus.
19:33:28FebsThat would be the same as it is now except that you would have one additional layer of menus to navigate to get to any particular setting.
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19:33:45saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: yeah, I read about the viewports at the scroll margins patch page :)
19:33:46BoZZi nearly shat myself
19:33:48Mikachubut two less entries to read when you don't want to change settings
19:33:55XavierGrmarkun: of course there is a plan/suggestion to make a tar loader for wpses, but that is post 3.0
19:33:58Mikachuyou could also cram everything in the main menu, but it wouldn't be more efficient
19:34:06BoZZthought i had a really bad disk faliure :|
19:34:14markunXavierGr: ok, that's a bit of a problem. I'm staying with my minimalistic WPS anyway.
19:34:15BoZZhardware doesn't like me at the moment :)
19:34:21Mikachuactually i lied, there are 4 settings menus, not 3
19:34:22saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: I'm worried that it'll become too advanced for me that I won't be able to create a new WPS :O
19:34:33FebsThere's a difference between being efficient and being confusing.
19:34:34bluebrotherI really like the tar idea :)
19:34:56XavierGryes it will most certainly help distribute and load wps files
19:35:03MikachuFebs: and the General Settings has submenus like Playback etc
19:35:11Mikachubut there is also Sound Settings under the main menu
19:35:14Mikachuit makes absolutely no sense
19:35:15linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: No-one wants it to become more complicated... In a way, it might make a WPS simpler.
19:35:16markunMikachu: we could open a wiki page with all the menu entries and come up with some alternative suggestions
19:35:25bluebrotherrecently I looked into the tar format ... I need more time :o
19:35:39*bluebrother wants to start coding
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19:36:38saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: I'm sure the end results will be nice and pretty, it's creating the WPS for viewports is what I'm worried about
19:37:10Mikachudoes anyone agree with me that the menu is confusing?
19:37:11BoZZYou know that problem I was having with the Rockbox bootloader...well the Original Firmware doesn't detect the h100.hex file and doesn't update =/
19:37:17markunsaa[b_r]ider: it should take care of the margins problem and needing a specific font height
19:37:42markunMikachu: I think it is, but didn't think of ways it could be improved
19:37:48BoZZMikachu: yeah, at first
19:37:56saa[b_r]idermarkun linuxstb what about multiple fonts? is that in the works as well?
19:37:59BoZZi always found options then lost them soon after =/
19:38:09Mikachui don't change settings often enough to learn where everything is, but i do other things often enough that the 4 entries are annoying
19:38:44BoZZhow about custome menus ;)
19:38:59linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: If "in the works" means "everyone agrees it's a good idea", then I think the answer is yes. But it still needs someone to do it...
19:39:04XavierGrFor me main menu is just right
19:39:12XavierGrwhat's confusing is the keymaps
19:39:16BoZZhave the default set of menus, then have a customizable quick menu
19:39:41saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: oh I'm not asking "when" will it be implemented... but if it's on the roadmap at least
19:40:00bluebrotherBoZZ, there is a quick menu ;-) But it's not configurable.
19:40:16BoZZback to the problem I'm having...
19:40:23BoZZThe original firmware wont upgrade..
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19:41:09bluebrotherBoZZ, have you followed the upgrade instructions from iriver?
19:41:21BoZZfirst thing I did when i dind't work first time
19:41:46BoZZi think it might be because my iRiver is just fucked.
19:41:54FebsMikachu: I think that there are things about the menus that could be improved, but they are mostly minor adjustments, not a complete overhaul.
19:42:04bluebrotherhmm. Please describe "fucked" ;-)
19:42:05*saa[b_r]ider congratulates febs for getting it to work
19:42:06FebsBy the way, what are the 4 settings menus you are referring to?
19:42:07linuxstb_saa[b_r]ider: This is the only roadmap I know:
19:42:20Mikachui said reorganized, not complete overhaul
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19:43:21BoZZbluebrother : scroll up about 10 mins :)
19:43:57bluebrotherah, ok. Missed that.
19:44:08bluebrothermaybe reformatting the drive helps?
19:44:25BoZZtried that also :(
19:44:33bluebrothertoo bad.
19:45:22linuxstb_BoZZ: Is it fully charged?
19:46:07BoZZAC Adapter is plugged in
19:46:21BoZZWhen i go to press yes at the Upgrade screen, it just goes back to the menu
19:47:13XavierGrBozz: do you have the .hex file in your root?
19:47:31BoZZof course
19:47:52BoZZit doesn't show up in the iRiver menu though (does it filter recognizable files?)
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19:48:03XavierGrits filename?
19:48:10XavierGrit must be h300.hex
19:48:15XavierGrcase sensitive
19:48:28BoZZihp_100.hex (i got an h140
19:48:39XavierGryes this must be right
19:48:57XavierGrcan you upgrade with a non-modified firmware?
19:49:06preglowthat's what he's trying
19:49:30XavierGrthen this is very strange!
19:49:31FebsBoZZ, it won't show up in the menu on the H140, as that menu will only show supported files.
19:49:42BoZZI just downloaded the factory firmware (version its shipped with) and it still doesn't upgrade
19:49:52XavierGrwhat version do you have?
19:49:54BoZZhow else could I remove the Rockbox bootloader
19:50:02FebsThere is no other way.
19:50:11BoZZh140 v 1.65e
19:50:15XavierGrah so you have rockbox loader installed?
19:50:45FebsBoZZ, what happens when you run the "Upgrade firmware" function?
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19:50:51BoZZit goes back to the menu
19:51:05BoZZXavierGr: scroll up 15 mins or so if you were here =)
19:51:37FebsAnd you are absolutely certain that the iph_100.hex file is in the ROOT directory of your player?
19:52:42BoZZI might have to look at the warrenty and see what else is covered ;)
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19:53:39preglowTurtle`: i've had this problem myself
19:53:44preglowon a perfectly valid firmware file
19:53:48preglowtry some different ones
19:54:13Turtle`different versions?
19:54:23preglowdifferent regions, versions
19:54:28preglowiriver has released several firmware versions
19:54:40preglowdownload from different sites, etc, i had to do that once to find a file my unit would let me flash
19:54:44preglowgod knows why
19:54:46Turtle`ill do that, its just ashame it takes about 5 mins to boot after discconecting from USB
19:54:57XavierGr5 minutes?
19:54:59preglowi doubt this thing will survive a flash
19:55:12Turtle`if it dies during a flash...even better
19:55:14preglowbut at least then they can't complain
19:55:17saa[b_r]iderlinuxstb: I guess a patch I was thinking of requesting to add margins in the browser/menu won't be necessary with viewports
19:55:17FebsBoZZ, do you have all the data on it backed up?
19:55:18preglowexactly :P
19:55:33Turtle`yeah, s'all scattered around my comp somewhere
19:55:45Turtle`my iRiver was the only place it was all organized properly ;(
19:56:23preglowis it responsive while connected to a computer?
19:56:31preglowdoes usb browsing work fine?
19:56:39preglowright, so it's not the disk
19:56:48preglowsounds like cpu has seen a nasty hiot
19:56:49preglowhit too
19:56:51Turtle`i would have thought its cpu
19:57:03Turtle`its fine while not playng a song
19:57:11preglowperhaps someone has given it a blast with a bad charger?
19:57:16Turtle`as soon as its doing something, menus are slow, theres no sound output
19:57:20preglowi've heard about similar symptoms from that
19:57:35Turtle`nah, I was Dj ing a party, had it with me plugged in all night on my charger
19:57:41Turtle`(just for songs before and after my set(
19:57:47preglowperhaps your charger has gone bad, then?
19:58:01Turtle`its plugged in right now, seems to have charged fine
19:58:13preglowwell, god knows
19:58:18preglowit certainly does sound like it's bustede, though
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19:58:32Turtle`only found out in the morning in the car
19:58:41Turtle`plugged it in to play a song and nothing happened
19:59:43Turtle`its confusing and frustrating the shit out of me though =/
20:00:54XavierGrso Turtle`: you want to revert to original firmware to RMA it?
20:01:17XavierGrif you run out of options you can burn it with a nokia charger and then whistle innocently
20:01:38XavierGrThere are many reports that iriver RMA'ed these players
20:01:53XavierGrbut nowadays I am not sure if iriver has iHPs on stock
20:02:03XavierGrreturn it to them and get a new one
20:02:16Turtle`well, shit i gotta run now
20:02:23Turtle`but thanks very much for your help guys
20:02:41Turtle`ill try a few different fireware versions etc
20:02:52Turtle`ill let you know what happens
20:03:02XavierGrhave to run too
20:03:04XavierGrbye all
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20:03:40tucozpreglow: do you know what I need to do to checkout the source as a dev in the vmware image? That is, what do I need in my .cvspass file
20:04:56tucozas it is empty, i get "skipping invalid entry in password file at line 1"
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20:08:11bluebrothertucoz, I guess removing the file and doing a cvs login again should help
20:08:23tucozbluebrother: i'll try that
20:09:53tucozbluebrother: that didn't work. I got "failed to open /home/user/.cvspass for reading. no such file or directory"
20:12:45tucozbluebrother,preglow: nevermind. i had to login twice to get it working. the file was created the first time.
20:21:10tucozin the vmware wiki it says I can access the files as a share (\\debian\user). How do I actually do to access them?
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20:21:41lamedcan i 'continue' a bash for loop?
20:22:46lamed can i 'continue' a bash I mean, skipping the rest of the loop?
20:24:04bluebrotherlamed, yes.
20:25:06bluebrother"continue: skip remaining commands in a for, while, or until loop, resuming with the next iteration of the loop" (according to Unix in a nutshell)
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20:31:01lamedbluebrother: are you reffering to BASH?
20:31:09bluebrotherlamed, yes.
20:31:28bluebrotherat least if I found the correct line ;-)
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20:34:04PaulJamTurtle`Away: if you read this: there are threads in the forum that describe similar problems (no sound, slow response). see this thread and the one linked in the first post:
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20:46:25bushblowzwhat would cause rockbox on an 5th gen ipod to get plugin returned error
20:48:07tucozbushblowz: did you compile it yourself?
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20:48:34bushblowznot really though
20:48:40lamedfor i in $( ls ); do
20:48:43lamedecho item: $i
20:48:49lamednot working.... why?!
20:49:09lamedit's a copy-paste!
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20:49:26sharpe`bushblowz: what plugin?
20:49:32tucozbushblowz: if you compiled the sim, and copied a plugin from that to your ipod, then you'll get a plugin error
20:49:38tucozfor instance
20:49:52bushblowzrockboy, and a couple others and doom but thats another problem i am working on
20:50:00sharpe`if you copy it over, (on windows, anyway) it will tell you it's not a valid executable.
20:50:26tucozlamed: do you use the vmware image?
20:50:33sharpe`you can just look in the source for where it returns the PLUGIN_ERROR :)
20:50:52lamedold bin or something?
20:50:54tucozlamed: cool. how do you access the files from that in windows?
20:51:56lamedtype \\debian in some address bar. if it's not working try reset vmware (don't close and re-open, reset.) now what about my not working script... anyone?
20:52:28Mikachulamed: what's the error?
20:52:28tucozthanks :)
20:53:06lamedline 2: syntax error near unexpected token 'do
20:53:30tucozlamed: you forgot a ;
20:53:49tucozafter echo item: $i
20:54:30lamedyou don't ; everything in bash scripts
20:54:37lamedbut i'll try
20:54:40tucozthat works for me
20:54:59lamedbecause most obviously you know better then me :)
20:55:45lamednope. that actually didn't work. it's taken from
20:55:49lamedcan you run it?
20:56:17lamedmikachu, you're the great helper today for bash scripts, anything?
20:56:22bluebrotherlamed, that script works fine for me
20:56:41lamedyeah I could guess something is faulty.
20:57:02lamedhow do I apt get a newer bash?
20:57:17tucozI did: for i in $(ls) ; do echo item: $i ; done
20:57:26tucozin the vmware image
20:57:38bluebrotherapt-get bash I assume :)
20:57:48tucozapt-get install bash
20:58:27Mikachulamed: try putting do on the same line as the first command
20:58:33lamedtucoz: thanks.
20:58:49tucozdid that script work?
20:59:37lamedyes. it was the white space before and after ls
20:59:46tucozah, ok
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21:00:52bluebrotherstrange, I had it working even with the spaces
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21:02:38Mikachutry ` ls `
21:02:51lamedstrange enough, if I type it down to the command line it works. but if I run it from a file it fails.
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21:04:29Mikachulamed: do you have #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash ?
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21:05:13lamedmmm.. found it. somehow it was because I made the file on dev-cpp and saved it on the vmware machine. although I had it chmod +x anyways, it now runs that I made a new file in xedir
21:06:01bluebrothermaybe the line endings? DOS vs unix?
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21:07:14DaFlipi just installed rockbox (latest cvs version) on my 4g ipod
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21:07:58DaFlipif i shutdown the thing by holding down the play button.. sometimes it won't turn back on using the middle button until i plug it back into my pc via the usb cable. I cannot turn it on otherwise.. even by performing the reset procedure.. anyone got any ideas what might be wrong?
21:08:01bluebrotherhmm, tried unix2dos the file and it stopped working ... seems bash relies on unix files.
21:09:29linuxstb_DaFlip: Is your battery low? Also, try MENU instead of the middle button (both work on my 4g Color though).
21:09:56DaFlipthe battery indicator doesn't show it as low, it's over 50%.
21:10:19DaFlipit frooze just a second ago so after i couldn't turn it back in, i briefly plugged in the usb cable til the apple logo appeared un plugged it and it's been on since
21:10:45DaFlipactually more often than not it won't switch back on :(
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21:12:59DaFlipi'm gonna get the latest version and see if it fixes it.. it's only 2-3 days since i applied it but who knows
21:13:44linuxstb_DaFlip: Sounds like it could be a hardware problem. The Apple firmware doesn't normally fully power-off the ipod, so you may not have noticed it.
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21:16:10DaFlipi see
21:16:32DaFlipi presume when rockbox shuts it off it turns it off fully?
21:17:05linuxstb_When Rockbox turns off the ipod, it is set to wake up on one of two events: 1) Charging (i.e. attaching USB); and 2) The "EXTON" signal, which is hard-wired to the middle and menu buttons.
21:17:57linuxstb_It sounds like the power chip isn't getting the EXTON reliably. I assume your hold switch is off...
21:18:05DaFlipit is
21:18:38linuxstb_Yes, Rockbox turns it off as fully as it can. Apple puts the ipod into a "light sleep" mode, and then turns it off after about 12 hours of light sleep (I think).
21:18:51linuxstb_(it could be longer than 12 hours)
21:19:23DaFlipsometimes i can turn it on thou :/ it just worked right now
21:20:00linuxstb_Do you try both MENU and the middle button to turn it on?
21:22:29DaFlipi used the usb cable to turn it on again before i could check
21:22:41DaFlipbut everytime it happened i could not turn it on with menu+middle
21:22:52DaFlipnor would it turn on with the hold on off menu and middle button
21:23:25DaFlipi can't get it to stay off now.. that's after it was on the usb cable for a minute or two.. i wonder could it be a battery issue
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21:23:36DaFlipthe battery capacity is set to 640Mah - is that correct for the 4g grayscale ipod?
21:24:22linuxstb_That makes no difference at the moment. It's only used to display a "remaining runtime" estimate.
21:24:56DaFlipi'm gonna give it a few hours on the usb cable and update the firmware again with the latest build
21:24:59DaFlipi'll see if that fixes it
21:25:00linuxstb_So you've had no similar problems with the original firmware?
21:25:37linuxstb_Do you use it frequently? i.e. often enough to stop it powering off?
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21:26:07Ersancan rockbox load the original ipod interface?
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21:26:24Ersancause i like that for music i just wanna play w/ rockbox
21:26:30lamedhow do I echo to stderr?
21:26:33bluebrotherErsan, no.
21:26:48bluebrotherbut you can use a wps that looks like the ipod now playing screen.
21:27:08tucozlamed: echo > /dev/stderr ?
21:27:24bluebrothersearch the wiki for wps.
21:27:26lamedmmm... I leaned something new... stderr is a file
21:27:48linuxstb_lamed: In Unix, everything is a file...
21:28:12lamedyeah, i know... debian is weird
21:28:29Ersani see
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21:29:24Ersanwhat does the media library interface look like?
21:29:54bluebrotherErsan, look in the manual
21:30:18bluebrotheryou can find that on the daily download page
21:30:25lamed> /dev/stderr = >&2 right?
21:30:29tucozErsan: or here
21:31:00tucozErsan: but the manual gives a more complete selection of screenshots
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21:31:04bluebrotheryou can also find some themes at (but some of them seem to require patches)
21:31:20Ersani see
21:31:36Ersanthose are just wps's
21:31:54Ersanwill it make the whole interface look like that?
21:32:07bluebrotherErsan, look it up in the manual
21:32:27bluebrotherand, the screenshot page also has shots of the file browser.
21:33:01Ersannothing i can do to make it prettier? :\
21:33:08lamedcouple of last questions, I hope... > /dev/stderr = >&2 right? and can I get rid of stderr other then writing it to a file and deleting it afterwards? (I go like &> tmp and then I delete it)
21:33:31bluebrotherwhat does "prettier" mean? I like the interface.
21:34:12Ersananimated, better colors, etc
21:34:37Ersandoes it organize music the same way ipod does
21:34:42bluebrotheranimated? An animated file browser? Who needs that?
21:35:08Ersancan't browse by id3?
21:35:09linuxstb_Ersan: You organise your music however you want to...
21:35:25linuxstb_Yes - look up TagCache in the wiki
21:35:26bluebrotherrockbox is file structure based. Alternatively you can use TagCache to organize you music according to the file metadata
21:35:55bluebrothertucoz, what do you think of a introduction chapter that lists all key features?
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21:38:05Ersanis it easy to install the original ipod firmware if i don't like it?
21:38:08linuxstb_A chapter (if it isn't there already) for people coming to Rockbox from the original firmware for a specific target could be useful.
21:39:22sadeness_linuxstb, :-D do you love Japan?
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21:40:00linuxstb_sadeness: No, but it's a very enjoyable game.
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21:42:57HansmaulwurfWorldCup kills the 3.0 timetable
21:43:12bluebrotherI'm sure it does :)
21:43:21Ersanis rockbox better than ipodlinux?
21:43:46preglowif you want something that actually plays music, then yes
21:43:56lamedguys, could someone refer to my questions?
21:44:03lamed> /dev/stderr = >&2 right? and can I get rid of stderr other then writing it to a file and deleting it afterwards? (I go like &> tmp and then I delete it)
21:44:12sadeness_WorldCup kills my sleeptime. I need two weeks to get enough of sleep.
21:44:50linuxstb_sadeness: Where in the world are you?
21:45:27HansmaulwurfThe Problem is that i have 5 exames in 3 weeks, but with the WC in my country i really CANT learn
21:45:42preglowi am yet to watch a single game
21:46:06preglowi hope to be able to keep it that way
21:46:33Ersanyou can boot into the apple firmware?
21:46:40PaulJamdamn, this philips uda chip is really small.
21:46:59Hansmaulwurfyes Ersan
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21:47:17Hansmaulwurfthe bootloader handles both firmwares
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21:47:24DaFlip_got disconnected :(
21:47:37PaulJamwhat would be the best method to remove the old ic fom my h320?
21:47:39DaFlip_i discovered it will crash if i turn it on, leave it play until the next track displays
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21:47:51DaFlip_if i leave it go that far it won't turn back up when i switch it off :(
21:48:11Ersanthe apple firmware won't read the music though right
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21:49:13sadenesslinuxstb, i'm from russia
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21:50:27Ersaninstalling rockbox won't format the drive right
21:51:24tucozbluebrother: I am not sure what is the best option. Key features could be listed somewhere. Possibly in the introduction. linuxstb's idea means more work, and I am not sure that I like that.
21:52:22tucozthat would mean we have to write ipod->rockbox, iaudio->rockbox, iriver->rockbox, archos->rockbox ... chapters
21:53:22linuxstb_I'm not saying it's a priority, it was just a suggestion... You wouldn't need ipod and iaudio yet though.
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21:54:47linuxstb_DaFlip: At what point does it crash when you turn it on?
21:54:56DaFlip_it doesn't turn on at all
21:55:08FebsWe do need to put some player-specific tips in the manual. For example, I don't think that we explain how to reset any of the players, how to boot into the original firmware, or how to return to default settings.
21:55:09DaFlip_if i turn it on, switch it off quickly (say 4 seconds) it'll come back on
21:55:24tucozlinuxstb_, I know it was just a suggestion :)
21:55:28DaFlip_but if i leave it playing for say 15 seconds, turn it off, it won't come back on at all until the usb cable is plugged in
21:55:30FebsI don't know about a whole chapter, but maybe a "tips and tricks" section in the introduction.
21:55:50tucozFebs: good idea
21:56:01tucozFebs: like a quick start
21:56:18linuxstb_Could those be in a target-specific FAQ?
21:57:51tucozWe should sometime introduce an index as well
21:58:20tucozwhere we mark key-words in the text, and tell latex to generate an index of them
21:59:18dionoeaYou should also release :)
21:59:20tucozah, a target specific FAQ should be fairly easy to add
21:59:21dionoeaerr ... sorry
21:59:26bluebrotherFebs, sounds good. But maybe "tips and tricks" in the appendix.
22:00:04tucozbluebrother: but we should write somewhere how to reset the player
22:00:32tucozsome other place than the "tips and tricks" section
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22:00:43bluebrothertucoz, I think this should go in the bootloader section.
22:01:10tucozwhy not under the front image of the player. in the tiny table?
22:01:20bluebrotherbut I'm still not sure if this isn't anything that should be in a tips and tricks section
22:01:24tucozthat tells us how to turn on and off the player
22:01:46tucozand a 'reset' there would fit in nicely
22:02:28bluebrotherI'm not sure. As you usually don't need it often (hopefully ;-) I think this shouldn't be on the start page.
22:02:41bluebrotherotherwise it sound a bit like "you'll need it often"
22:03:00bluebrotherat least new users might get the impression
22:03:05tucozah, right
22:03:27bluebrotherbut, for a start, we could put it in a tips and tricks section.
22:03:45bluebrotherand maybe move it later to the bootloader section and refer that from there
22:04:24tucozI just noticed that the faq's in the wiki are quite massive
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22:05:22bluebrotherI noticed that some time ago. Maybe they're a bit too massive for new users.
22:06:03tucozyes, a more streamlined t&t section is better
22:06:07tucozgot to go watch some football :)
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22:10:11Hansmaulwurfah come on
22:11:13Febstucoz, bluebrother: I like the idea of a FAQ section. Some FAQs would be common to multiple players, so we could handle that with /opt{}.
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22:16:47sadenesspoor japaneese :(
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22:24:04dionoeasadeness: why ? soccer ?
22:24:22sadenessdionoea, yeah. 3:1
22:24:42dionoeaare they out ?
22:25:05sadenessnot yet. they have 20 minutes for out :-)
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22:48:57Ersanall i need to run rockdoom is the wad's?
22:49:07Ersanit seems like i'm missing something
22:49:39Ersangot it
22:49:58dionoeaalways a pleasure to help :)
22:52:31tucozFebs: but I don't think we can copy the wiki FAQ's verbatim. And I am not sure how to filter out what is really fitting in a manual context.
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22:55:41Ersani pick new game and it doesn't do anything :(
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22:56:30tucozcongratulations to Australia :)
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23:01:35Ersani can't quit snake!
23:01:42dionoeawhat player ?
23:01:52Ersanipod nano?
23:02:06dionoeamenu+select maybe ?
23:02:27dionoeamenu long ?
23:02:32dionoea(try all combos)
23:02:42MikachuErsan: just press menu+select, don't hold it for 5 seconds
23:02:54Ersandoesnt do anything
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23:10:35oboBagder: target images on the cvs and daily builds pages are missing - they link back to /docs/
23:11:43Bagderfixed now
23:12:10obodon't hang around, do you? :)
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23:24:41Ersanthe usb connection is like really unstable
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23:30:30stripwaxhoo, i picked up an ipod 5g today.. let's see how it compares to the h120
23:31:43preglowpoorly :/
23:32:06Bagderit runs doom better! ;-P
23:32:14stripwaxexactly. and pacbox.
23:32:26stripwaxi ought to finish my sound emulation for that at some point
23:41:29sharpe`stripwax: just maybe.
23:41:43stripwaxjust maybe what −−
23:44:06sharpe`the sound
23:44:26PaulJamYES! my operation succeeded, i have stereo sound again :D
23:44:28dionoeadionoea/rockpaint_2.png"> . (I'm still missing text writing) Do you have comments on the look of the interface ? (the bottom toolbar retracts when the mouse leaves it)
23:44:34Ersanis there any way at all to have the same songs on the ipod firmware and rockbox?
23:44:52stripwaxErsan - tagcache?
23:45:01stripwaxsharpe- that yeah was directed to you ;-)
23:45:11sharpe`what was?
23:45:18Ersantagcache will go into all the dirs?
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23:45:24stripwaxErsan - yep
23:45:38stripwaxwell it ought to ...
23:45:45Ersanis there anyway to make ipod's firmware use a different dir structure?
23:45:46sharpe`yeah, it will
23:45:53Ersanlame :\
23:45:59sharpe`blame it on apple :)
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23:46:05Ersani do.
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23:46:58sharpe`i need to think of something to make
23:47:14stripwaxsharpe` - maze? x-)
23:47:15ErsanNES emulator.
23:47:33sharpe`maybe i should work on the maze thing.
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23:48:10stripwaxsharpe` - you could do the sound emulation for pacbox if you like. i have yet to get my head around setting up the pcm buffers, seems way too fiddly
23:48:12dionoeathat would definitively be great (if the generator is good)
23:48:16dionoea(the maze)
23:48:47sharpestripwax: ah... no thanks... i have absolutely no knowledge of the audio playback systems.
23:48:57stripwaxsharpe - me neither :-(
23:49:03stripwaxah well, time to get stuck in ..
23:49:08sharpedionoea: the original idea was a one pixel maze, all the walls are one pixel, the character is one pixel, etc.
23:49:18dionoeasounds nice :)
23:49:26sharpe i've yet to actually work on it
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23:49:46stripwaxwould be cooler to have a fullscreen maze with sprites
23:49:49sharpewell, i remember i did do the code to store it in an array of bytes with each bit a wall...
23:50:04sharpemaybe like, in the spirit of nethack. :D
23:50:20sharpeonly without the twenty key combinations..
23:50:33stripwaxyknow, i've never seen/played/smelled nethack. is that weird?
23:50:37dionoeabtw, any comments on that rockpaint snapshot ?
23:50:43sharpedionoea: looks nice
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23:51:11sharpestripwax: eh, i don't think it's too weird. i never played it until i put it on my palm pilot, which i now only use as an lcd display...
23:52:13lamedhow do I create a diff file that contains new files? I tried cvs diff -N but alas!
23:52:29sharpewe should have like, a collaborate rockbox game. with many people working on it...
23:52:46Ersanyou have a sample plugin source?
23:53:10obolamed: cvsdo add - then -N will work
23:53:23stripwaxsharpe - sounds like a great idea in fact! we could call it "xobckor"
23:53:36lamed"cvsdo add - then -N " ?
23:53:39sharpewithout trying to pronounce it, of course.
23:54:04sharpewould just need to figure out what kind of game...
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23:54:14obocvsdo add path/to/file
23:54:27oboafter that cvs diff -N will have the new file
23:54:57dionoeaa MMORPG would be nice ... although you'd need a wifi hardware hack to make it usable
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23:55:19dionoeaobo: cvsdo ? isn't it cvs only ?
23:55:55sharpeheh. then you could boast to your friends, "well, what does your ipod do? play music? well mine's an mmorpg. take that."
23:55:57obocvsdo is part of cvsutils
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23:57:20lamedERROR: cannot open /rockbox-devel/apps/lang/CVS/Entries.tmp for writing
23:57:29sharpethat's not good.
23:57:48dionoeawell cvsdo doesn't exist on debian it seems :)
23:58:31oboapt-get install cvsutils :)
23:58:59dionoeawhat's the advandage over cvs add btw ?

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