| 00:00:02 | stripwax | ! what |
| 00:00:06 | dionoea | Bagder: well ... you only need write access for commit, no ? |
| 00:00:23 | sharpe | ! something like, final fantasy tactics, and that one free online flash game that's like it. |
| 00:00:35 | Bagder | dionoea: you need write access for doing 'cvs add' |
| 00:00:37 | stripwax | ah! (don't know it at all.. oops) |
| 00:00:48 | Bagder | iirc |
| 00:00:51 | sharpe | i just remember the movement system... |
| 00:01:05 | dionoea | hum ... i though that additions were only sent upon commit (like in subversion) |
| 00:01:14 | dionoea | well ... anyway ... who cares ? :) |
| 00:01:19 | dionoea | good night |
| 00:01:37 | * | preglow kicks gtk |
| 00:01:40 | * | preglow kicks gtk again |
| 00:01:57 | stripwax | a game like Pang would be cool. |
| 00:01:59 | * | tucoz helps gtk back up |
| 00:02:03 | * | preglow shoots gtk |
| 00:02:07 | sharpe | stripwax: never heard of it |
| 00:02:16 | * | tucoz calls 911 |
| 00:02:28 | stripwax | little man shooting bubbles with a laser. kinda old-school run. |
| 00:02:29 | * | sharpe screams in horror at the sight |
| 00:02:31 | stripwax | ^fun |
| 00:03:01 | sharpe | ah |
| 00:03:04 | sharpe | what about mario? |
| 00:03:11 | stripwax | well, there's already rockboy |
| 00:03:17 | sharpe | yeah, true. |
| 00:03:31 | sharpe | doom 3! |
| 00:04:01 | markun | remember the game Another World / Out of this World ? |
| 00:04:02 | sharpe | if we're lucky, we can get a tenth of a frame per minute. |
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| 00:04:15 | preglow | markun: great game |
| 00:04:21 | sharpe | don't remember it... |
| 00:04:23 | markun | yes, I loved it |
| 00:04:24 | stripwax | markun - yeah, by those french developers |
| 00:04:36 | markun | Eric Sahi or something |
| 00:04:43 | sharpe | what about a strategy-like game? |
| 00:04:51 | preglow | markun: i remember it's greatly involving |
| 00:04:51 | preglow | haha |
| 00:04:53 | dionoea | C&C ? |
| 00:04:58 | sharpe | yeah, kindof |
| 00:05:00 | tucoz | markun: did you know that the original author has released a new version of that game? |
| 00:05:03 | dionoea | or civ ? |
| 00:05:03 | tucoz | in high res |
| 00:05:07 | preglow | like running from that bloody beast in the start, i was perched on the edge of my seat during that |
| 00:05:13 | markun | http://www.anotherworld.fr/anotherworld_uk/index.htm |
| 00:05:21 | markun | tucoz: yes, I knew |
| 00:05:26 | sharpe | ah, was thinking more along the lines of c&c/starcraft/other-game-like-those |
| 00:05:34 | tucoz | that was a really great game |
| 00:05:50 | tucoz | just like prince of persia was |
| 00:05:52 | stripwax | sharpe - would be REALLY hard on h1xx |
| 00:06:07 | sharpe | stripwax: :) |
| 00:06:07 | stripwax | unless it's slow. in which case probably no point |
| 00:06:10 | dionoea | real time strategy without a mouse ... that would be tough to play |
| 00:06:15 | sharpe | yep... |
| 00:06:30 | stripwax | oh. hey. how about porting Astroball |
| 00:06:40 | sharpe | that is..? |
| 00:06:55 | stripwax | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroball |
| 00:07:02 | sharpe | just got there |
| 00:07:22 | stripwax | wow, that screenshow REALLY doesn't do it justice... |
| 00:07:59 | tucoz | or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Madness or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qbert :) |
| 00:08:08 | stripwax | bouncing ball platform game. actually I dreamt a similar game about six years before that came out, except in mine the bouncing ball thing had lasers coming out of its ears. |
| 00:08:25 | stripwax | tron/lightcycles? |
| 00:08:26 | sharpe | ... okay! |
| 00:08:30 | sharpe | ah |
| 00:08:44 | stripwax | (like womlet but without being able to see the entire arena) |
| 00:08:48 | sharpe | heh |
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| 00:09:03 | sharpe | was just thinking... but we have something similar... |
| 00:09:07 | sharpe | :) |
| 00:10:15 | Mikachu | tron would go a lot faster than wormlet, and no pickups |
| 00:10:33 | sharpe | yeh |
| 00:10:42 | markun | perhaps some scummvm games will even be possible on the gigabeat.. |
| 00:10:53 | stripwax | markun - why the gigabeat .. ? |
| 00:11:00 | Mikachu | it has an ultra fast cpu |
| 00:11:00 | markun | 300MHz ARM9 |
| 00:11:03 | stripwax | woah |
| 00:11:19 | stripwax | scummvm should work just fine on a 66mhz 386, so .. ? |
| 00:11:19 | sharpe | hahah, what about the sims? heheh... |
| 00:11:22 | stripwax | hehe |
| 00:11:25 | Mikachu | it might even be able to emulate snes with sound in realtime |
| 00:12:56 | sharpe | ahah, we can do two play games via headphone ports... |
| 00:13:00 | sharpe | player |
| 00:13:49 | markun | and a sega emulator maybe |
| 00:14:25 | markun | but first we have to finish the port |
| 00:15:23 | Mikachu | that would be a prerequisite |
| 00:15:50 | markun | We are working on the bootloader |
| 00:16:05 | Mikachu | can you subscribe to updates on specific wiki pages? |
| 00:16:34 | markun | as soon as we have the bootloader working I'll let you know |
| 00:16:58 | Mikachu | heh, i meant about the menu page |
| 00:16:58 | markun | I'll update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo then as well |
| 00:17:12 | markun | ah :) |
| 00:17:24 | markun | Don't know if that's possible |
| 00:17:39 | stripwax | ok, first rockbox boot on ipod, here we come ..! |
| 00:17:40 | Mikachu | there is a button 'minor edit (dont notify)' |
| 00:17:45 | Mikachu | so i was curious who it doesn't notify |
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| 00:18:13 | markun | Mikachu: on wikipedia it makes the change not show up in the 'recentchanges' page |
| 00:18:29 | markun | but here I don't think it does anything |
| 00:18:35 | Mikachu | oh |
| 00:19:04 | Mikachu | maybe i should add some descriptive comment to my menu |
| 00:19:33 | markun | Mikachu: hard to see what changes you made |
| 00:19:43 | markun | Maybe you can mark them with a colour or something? |
| 00:19:53 | Mikachu | i don't know, can i? |
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| 00:20:44 | markun | Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TextFormattingRules |
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| 00:21:09 | markun | %RED% Red %ENDCOLOR% |
| 00:21:55 | scorche | fail |
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| 00:23:43 | sharpe | what about wolfenstein 3d? :D |
| 00:25:10 | Mikachu | markun: it's very fickle, i have to put the endcolor and color on same indent levels for it to work.. |
| 00:25:18 | stripwax | sharpe - if there's already doom, what's the point? |
| 00:25:21 | stripwax | scrabble!!! |
| 00:25:33 | sharpe | :-D |
| 00:25:50 | PaulJam | I wonder if i should make a keyckain out of the broken UDA chip to remind me to never again connect my h320 to a grounded device while the charger is connected. |
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| 00:27:30 | Mikachu | hm no that's not it |
| 00:29:22 | Mikachu | markun: okay, done |
| 00:30:56 | markun | Mikachu: much clearer |
| 00:31:02 | sharpe | hmpf. what about a tile-based rpg? |
| 00:31:21 | stripwax | something like Chaos on the spectrum...? |
| 00:31:26 | Mikachu | markun: i guess i was on drugs earlier, didn't think :) |
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| 00:31:34 | sharpe | i'll tell you as soon as i look that up? |
| 00:31:38 | stripwax | :-D |
| 00:31:59 | sharpe | ah... |
| 00:32:04 | sharpe | not... quite... |
| 00:32:18 | markun | Mikachu: I'm a bit colour blind and though it was red until I read %GREEN% :) |
| 00:32:25 | Mikachu | heh |
| 00:32:44 | stripwax | sharpe - no worries - what did you have in mind? |
| 00:32:52 | sharpe | hmm |
| 00:33:10 | sharpe | you know all of the new-ish rpg games that are tile-like? |
| 00:33:55 | stripwax | not any new-ish ones :-( |
| 00:34:10 | stripwax | didn't know they were still in fashion (or in fashion again..) |
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| 00:34:31 | sharpe | eh, i only said newish because that's... a cool word. |
| 00:35:18 | sharpe | maybe something like the old ultima games? |
| 00:35:39 | stripwax | yeah - never played them unfortunately .. |
| 00:36:02 | sharpe | i'm not a real big rpg kind of person, i'm only thinking of ideas... |
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| 00:37:03 | stripwax | no - I think you're onto something - big clear tiled sprites and maybe even turn-based |
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| 00:37:34 | sharpe | heheh |
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| 00:38:00 | sharpe | would it be a port, or a completely new game? |
| 00:40:48 | preglow | port ff6, plz |
| 00:40:57 | preglow | or better yet, port zsnes |
| 00:41:17 | sharpe | preglow, you're the developer... :-D |
| 00:41:50 | stripwax | um, why not a completely new game? |
| 00:41:57 | sharpe | what i was thinking... |
| 00:42:14 | sharpe | would be more fun to do... |
| 00:42:58 | stripwax | gotta run, night all |
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| 00:54:39 | markun | I was just talking to the guys at #scummvm and they told me it has been ported to ipodlinux! http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=94994&sid=09c231cc7a6b462ee052db43c74cea0d#94994 |
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| 01:05:33 | preglow | omfgroflbanana |
| 01:05:58 | sharpe | acting the fool? |
| 01:06:05 | Mikachu | he doesn't have to act, he's norwegian |
| 01:06:13 | sharpe | meh |
| 01:06:51 | preglow | haha |
| 01:07:04 | * | preglow prepares a couple of lethal svenskevitser |
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| 01:09:47 | blaxbb | could someone help me i got an error trying to compile |
| 01:11:37 | sharpe | what would that error be? |
| 01:12:16 | blaxbb | this is what it said after i typed make |
| 01:12:24 | blaxbb | gcc -g rdf2binary.c -o rdf2binary |
| 01:12:35 | blaxbb | make[1]: gcc: Command not found |
| 01:12:50 | Mikachu | to compile, the first thing you need is a compiler |
| 01:12:51 | blaxbb | make[1]: *** [rdf2binary] Error 127 |
| 01:12:57 | blaxbb | make: *** [tools] Error 2 |
| 01:12:59 | sharpe | yes, compilers are needed. |
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| 01:13:24 | Bagder | for compiling, nothing beats having a compiler installed... |
| 01:13:33 | blaxbb | yeah i followed these directions http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 01:13:46 | Mikachu | apparently not very well :) |
| 01:13:53 | blaxbb | lol |
| 01:13:57 | sharpe | dd you actually install gcc? |
| 01:14:10 | blaxbb | i think so let me check |
| 01:14:22 | sharpe | and whatever architecture of gcc you need for your rockbox compilation? |
| 01:15:02 | Mikachu | blaxbb: most notably the part in the middle without a screenshot where it asks you to select several packages under Devel |
| 01:15:18 | blaxbb | yeah im checking to see if i got all of those |
| 01:16:27 | blaxbb | yeah i have everything including gcc |
| 01:17:13 | Mikachu | did you start cygwin with the bat file? |
| 01:17:18 | blaxbb | yeah |
| 01:17:26 | Mikachu | then i dunno |
| 01:18:03 | sharpe | okay... |
| 01:18:06 | sharpe | is gcc in your path? |
| 01:18:24 | blaxbb | i didnt do that |
| 01:18:27 | blaxbb | :P |
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| 01:18:57 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:19:05 | blaxbb | thanks |
| 01:19:11 | sharpe | you're welcome |
| 01:19:21 | sharpe | does it work? |
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| 01:19:25 | Ersan | can pluginddoom play heretic? |
| 01:19:39 | Mikachu | no, it is another game |
| 01:19:48 | Ersan | hm |
| 01:19:49 | Ersan | k |
| 01:20:00 | Ersan | thought it was the same engine |
| 01:20:04 | Mikachu | no |
| 01:20:06 | sharpe | nope |
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| 01:25:08 | nar588 | i have to say, the "unofficial installer" from the ipod wizard forums works fairly well |
| 01:25:45 | sharpe | okay |
| 01:26:25 | nar588 | however, which folder do roms go into for them to work in rockboy |
| 01:26:37 | sharpe | you just execute them |
| 01:26:47 | sharpe | browse to them, and hit select |
| 01:26:54 | nar588 | then i have a prob |
| 01:27:10 | sharpe | and that would be...? |
| 01:27:26 | nar588 | cant find em |
| 01:27:38 | sharpe | ... |
| 01:27:42 | sharpe | what do you mean? |
| 01:27:55 | sharpe | they don't appear in the filebrowser? |
| 01:28:01 | sharpe | you're using tagcache? |
| 01:28:13 | nar588 | wtf is tagcache |
| 01:28:21 | sharpe | then my guess is you're not using it. |
| 01:28:29 | sharpe | where did you put the roms? |
| 01:28:47 | nar588 | the just dragged em to the ipod, no directory |
| 01:29:01 | sharpe | okay, and they don't appear in the file browser? |
| 01:29:17 | nar588 | if what im looking at is the filebrowzer, no |
| 01:29:32 | sharpe | next; are they the right extension? |
| 01:29:42 | nar588 | .gb , .gbc |
| 01:30:12 | sharpe | is the file browser set to view only music? or all files? or supported files...? |
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| 01:30:35 | nar588 | not sure |
| 01:30:43 | nar588 | i just installed it, not a pro at it yet |
| 01:31:00 | sharpe | what version of ipod do you have? |
| 01:31:15 | nar588 | 4g |
| 01:31:20 | nar588 | no color |
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| 01:32:01 | sharpe | okay, well, rockboy is only supported on the video and the color at the moment, as far as i know. |
| 01:32:10 | Mikachu | there was a commit recently |
| 01:32:24 | Mikachu | """ |
| 01:32:25 | Mikachu | Update for Rockboy: - fix scaling for other color screens than H300 - full menu rewrite to display choices properly - some small tweaks to code - some formatting updates |
| 01:32:31 | Mikachu | Fix the scaling not being initialized properly. |
| 01:32:33 | Mikachu | """ |
| 01:32:38 | nar588 | effin a |
| 01:32:42 | nar588 | i thought it said it would work |
| 01:32:46 | nar588 | ah well |
| 01:32:54 | Mikachu | i am not sure what players that include |
| 01:33:11 | Mikachu | but i think ipod 4g doesn't have the grayscale lib yet |
| 01:33:19 | sharpe | nay... |
| 01:33:35 | * | nar588 finds an uninstaller |
| 01:33:53 | Mikachu | or you could use rockbox |
| 01:33:56 | sharpe | well, thank you for trying rockbox. please come again. |
| 01:34:01 | Mikachu | it will rox your sox |
| 01:34:02 | Mikachu | etc |
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| 01:34:15 | blaxbb | or you could use ipl |
| 01:34:16 | sharpe | hmm. |
| 01:34:26 | sharpe | or just go back to the apple firmware. |
| 01:34:31 | blaxbb | or that |
| 01:35:06 | sharpe | yeppers. |
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| 02:00:16 | hardeep | yaaay, i (heavily) modified the old songdb.pl script to generate tagcache files |
| 02:00:50 | hardeep | can do it all offline now, woo |
| 02:00:51 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 02:00:56 | sharpe | yay |
| 02:01:06 | sharpe | i wonder if i should start working on a tile library for rockbox |
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| 02:09:05 | sharpe | er |
| 02:09:09 | sharpe | something. i'm bored. |
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| 02:37:45 | blaxbb | WOOT its working |
| 02:37:54 | blaxbb | finally |
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| 04:22:24 | smably_ | busy in here tonight... |
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| 04:38:57 | JdGordon | smably_: 50 idlers is busy?? |
| 04:40:52 | Mikachu | JdGordon: sarcasm, get it while it's hot |
| 04:41:54 | JdGordon | :) |
| 04:43:04 | smably_ | haha :) |
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| 04:46:04 | Mikachu | good luck |
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| 05:04:25 | lamed | hello, everyone, I just wanted to put a notice on the new hebrew support patch i've made in preparation of the all mighty v3.0. |
| 05:04:26 | lamed | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5587 |
| 05:06:01 | lamed | good morning ... cya In a week or so :) |
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| 05:40:12 | earHertz | Announce: Ipod 5G with accelerated scrolling beta available: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.0 |
| 05:40:53 | obithrawn | :O |
| 05:52:34 | earHertz | If I add an entirely new source file and create a diff, will patch corrctly create teh new file? |
| 05:53:02 | sharpe | possibly. |
| 05:53:15 | earHertz | That's reassuring. ;( |
| 05:53:19 | earHertz | :) |
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| 06:04:27 | earHertz | which ipod does this define apply to: #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_4G_PAD && !defined(IPOD_MINI) ? |
| 06:04:35 | earHertz | er, ipodS |
| 06:04:42 | sharpe | 4g mini? :-D |
| 06:04:47 | sharpe | er |
| 06:04:48 | sharpe | color. |
| 06:04:53 | sharpe | or 4g. |
| 06:04:56 | sharpe | wait. |
| 06:04:58 | sharpe | or video |
| 06:05:03 | earHertz | photo? |
| 06:05:09 | sharpe | si... |
| 06:05:20 | sharpe | the ipods with a clickwheel. |
| 06:05:34 | earHertz | right, which are teh obnes with clickwheels? |
| 06:05:42 | sharpe | wait. |
| 06:05:42 | sharpe | no. |
| 06:05:47 | sharpe | GaH! |
| 06:06:03 | sharpe | the ipods that use the 4g keypad layout. |
| 06:06:12 | earHertz | yeah, yeah, so the define says! |
| 06:06:17 | sharpe | it's helpful |
| 06:06:26 | earHertz | but which ipods are those? |
| 06:06:38 | sharpe | video, nano, color, 4g... |
| 06:06:43 | sharpe | um... |
| 06:07:44 | sharpe | probably about it... |
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| 06:35:31 | webguest35 | ahoy there anyone? |
| 06:35:37 | sharpe | barely. |
| 06:35:43 | earHertz | sorta |
| 06:36:06 | scorche | kinda |
| 06:36:19 | hardeep | maybe |
| 06:36:25 | webguest35 | anybody have an email addy for the developer guys? i have an old iriver i wanted to donate to them. |
| 06:37:18 | sharpe | did you try... |
| 06:37:27 | sharpe | looking on the website...? |
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| 06:37:59 | webguest35 | yup. it has mailing lists, but no emails for ppl. |
| 06:38:06 | webguest35 | that i found. maybe i didnt see it |
| 06:40:21 | webguest35 | huh, yeah, the faq sayxs to check out irc, cuz they dont give out contact info |
| 06:40:31 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 06:40:35 | sharpe | well then. |
| 06:41:00 | sharpe | we'll just have to do something about that, then won't we? |
| 06:41:26 | webguest35 | lol. well, yes, i suppose we will then. perhaps. |
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| 06:42:45 | sharpe | hardeep! |
| 06:42:54 | hardeep | sharpe! |
| 06:42:59 | sharpe | you're a developer! |
| 06:43:05 | sharpe | you tell him. |
| 06:43:09 | hardeep | i am indeed |
| 06:43:15 | hardeep | er, tell who |
| 06:43:16 | webguest35 | hardeep! |
| 06:43:17 | hardeep | oh |
| 06:43:18 | sharpe | i'm just an Expert. |
| 06:43:26 | sharpe | :) |
| 06:43:33 | hardeep | webguest35: you want to look for Bagder for LinusN |
| 06:43:39 | * | scorche growls at sharpe |
| 06:43:42 | hardeep | s/for/or |
| 06:43:56 | sharpe | :D |
| 06:43:59 | webguest35 | hey, the HD in my iriver went dead (i think) and i was wondering if the develeoprs wanted it for testing firmware or somehting |
| 06:44:06 | webguest35 | ihp-120 |
| 06:44:12 | * | scorche wonders why he isnt special enough for the "rockbox expert" |
| 06:44:16 | * | scorche sobs |
| 06:44:23 | * | sharpe hands tissues. |
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| 06:45:20 | webguest35 | badger or linusn. is there an email or IM or something for them? promise id keep it secret. |
| 06:45:31 | sharpe | it's in the wiki |
| 06:45:46 | scorche | webguest35: you can always pm them in the forums as well |
| 06:45:50 | webguest35 | thx, ill go look there. |
| 06:45:52 | sharpe | indeed |
| 06:46:02 | smably_ | hey, if neither of them wants it, i'd be happy to take it off your hands ;) |
| 06:46:02 | webguest35 | yeah, but, im like, lazy, you know, dont want to make an account and all that. |
| 06:46:13 | webguest35 | hehe |
| 06:46:40 | sharpe | you could just, look in the wiki for 'LinusNielsen', or 'DanielStenberg' |
| 06:47:42 | sharpe | and, like smably_ said, if they don't want it, i'm sure there'd be people who'd be glad to take it off your hands... |
| 06:48:22 | earHertz | anbody tried my ipod scroll accel beta yet? |
| 06:48:29 | sharpe | i'm scared... |
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| 06:48:40 | sharpe | to do so... |
| 06:48:45 | earHertz | sharpe: why? |
| 06:48:57 | sharpe | because... |
| 06:49:17 | sharpe | it's... just... |
| 06:49:28 | earHertz | sharpe: are you william shatner? |
| 06:49:36 | sharpe | no? |
| 06:50:02 | earHertz | you... talk... just... like... him. |
| 06:50:22 | sharpe | no,... it's, more like, this... you know...? |
| 06:51:10 | sharpe | he uses more pauses, and not tailing ellipsis... |
| 06:51:13 | sharpe | trailing... |
| 06:51:21 | earHertz | uh, yeah |
| 06:51:49 | sharpe | it's funny with the 'payment' of the build :) |
| 06:52:18 | earHertz | I just want to check out teh debug info. |
| 06:52:40 | sharpe | ah |
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| 06:53:43 | sharpe | oh noes! like four different posts, by you! |
| 06:53:49 | earHertz | yeah |
| 06:54:09 | earHertz | I dunno if everybody reads ipod general |
| 06:54:10 | sharpe | wait for it, |
| 06:54:21 | sharpe | "sp4mm4|2!!!!1!!1" |
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| 06:54:48 | earHertz | yeah, my build enl4g3s your p3n1s |
| 06:55:24 | sharpe | for the low low price of 19.95$ |
| 06:55:48 | sharpe | and a mysterious order from out of country places... |
| 06:55:48 | scorche | in 10 easy payments of $2 |
| 06:55:52 | Mikachu | get custom built rockbox enhancement patches today |
| 06:56:00 | earHertz | from Nigeria |
| 06:56:01 | scorche | BUT WAIT!!!! |
| 06:56:05 | sharpe | there's more!!! |
| 06:56:08 | Mikachu | BUT, he's gay |
| 06:56:09 | scorche | if you order in the next 10 min |
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| 06:56:29 | Mikachu | http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22062006/80-132/beware-conmen-uk-nigeria-tells-citizens.html |
| 06:57:39 | sharpe | you just ruined it... |
| 06:57:58 | Mikachu | i know, i am good at ruining things |
| 06:58:06 | sharpe | how... could you? |
| 06:58:19 | Mikachu | i posted a link, weren't you looking? |
| 06:58:50 | sharpe | um. no. my blind spot keeps extending to your last two messages... |
| 06:58:56 | sharpe | so i can't see them. |
| 06:59:02 | sharpe | ahah. |
| 06:59:09 | sharpe | i am so bored... |
| 06:59:39 | sharpe | and i don't want to work on any feature requests or bugs... because i can't. :) |
| 06:59:57 | Mikachu | maybe you should get a gamecube |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:29 | sharpe | i don't want to? |
| 07:00:42 | Mikachu | i'm sorry, that's final |
| 07:00:47 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5088 |
| 07:00:49 | sharpe | wow |
| 07:00:52 | sharpe | i could do that one. |
| 07:00:59 | sharpe | in fact i already have a better one. |
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| 07:03:43 | sharpe | that is customizable... ahah... |
| 07:11:02 | sharpe | well... i'm just going to shamelessly go... |
| 07:11:08 | sharpe | g'night everyone... |
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| 07:13:54 | Ersan | uhm |
| 07:14:04 | Ersan | rockbox won't boot to original ipod firmware when i hold down menu |
| 07:14:10 | Ersan | it just goes into rockbox |
| 07:14:18 | Mikachu | you have to get a knack for it |
| 07:14:34 | Ersan | i just hold it down when its asleep |
| 07:14:49 | Mikachu | that is not how to do it |
| 07:14:54 | Mikachu | you need to press, release and hold |
| 07:15:09 | Ersan | ic... |
| 07:16:12 | Ersan | bleh |
| 07:16:13 | Ersan | its annoying |
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| 07:16:58 | Mikachu | you need to not move your finger around while holding too |
| 07:17:02 | scorche | boo for netsplits |
| 07:17:22 | Mikachu | in a few years you will probably get it right on every 4th try |
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| 07:37:29 | midkay | earHertz, hm, you're quite serious about this beta patch.. posting it on IRC, at the mailinglist, and in the forums, even setting up a special email address for feedback? :) |
| 07:37:39 | earHertz | yeah |
| 07:37:47 | earHertz | I want feedback on it |
| 07:37:49 | midkay | two forums even.. |
| 07:37:54 | earHertz | four |
| 07:37:56 | Ersan | what patch what |
| 07:38:05 | midkay | THREE? |
| 07:38:07 | midkay | four?! |
| 07:38:10 | earHertz | Ersan: scroll acceleration on teh ipod |
| 07:38:16 | midkay | someone's a bit insane.. |
| 07:38:18 | Ersan | gangsteriffic? |
| 07:38:38 | earHertz | midkay: with all the forums, I don't know which ones people read. I mean, I generally only read teh 5g forum |
| 07:38:55 | midkay | ipod general sounds best, since it's for any.. |
| 07:39:01 | earHertz | So I wanted to be sure people had a chance to see the annouce |
| 07:39:01 | midkay | but doesn't really matter i suppose. |
| 07:39:44 | earHertz | I also wanted to put the differnt builds in teh right subfora, so people wopuld install the right one for their hardware |
| 07:40:35 | midkay | moot-ish point, since you could maybe label the builds as "this is for 4g, this is for 5g" in one post? :) |
| 07:40:48 | earHertz | yeah, eventually I did that |
| 07:41:01 | earHertz | I hadn't initially planned on teh 4g buiilds |
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| 07:42:41 | earHertz | It's a bit spammy, but it ensures everyonr interested in the ipod sees it |
| 07:43:48 | midkay | nods |
| 07:44:31 | Ersan | is it um |
| 07:44:33 | Ersan | useful? |
| 07:44:51 | earHertz | if you have tagcache |
| 07:44:59 | Ersan | oh |
| 07:45:11 | Ersan | ipod firmware has it already didn't know that |
| 07:45:12 | earHertz | basically, as you scroll faster, the list is scrolled by page or percent |
| 07:45:28 | Ersan | yea it takes forever to scroll through all the songs |
| 07:45:43 | Ersan | wheres the link? |
| 07:46:05 | earHertz | right, with this I can scroll through 8600 in about 11 seconds |
| 07:46:23 | earHertz | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4973.0 |
| 07:46:42 | Ersan | oh |
| 07:46:43 | Ersan | i have a nano |
| 07:46:54 | midkay | earHertz, i think the apple firmware's method is just about perfect.. and i think #entries is better than #pages.. if you have a huge font, you don't get so far very fast.. |
| 07:47:03 | earHertz | midkay: does the nano use the 4g keypad? |
| 07:47:08 | midkay | earHertz, yep. |
| 07:47:32 | earHertz | midkay: how about percent of entries? |
| 07:47:49 | midkay | something like that, yeah.. |
| 07:49:05 | earHertz | Yeah, I'm going to make the jump amonts configurable, page or percent |
| 07:49:18 | Ersan | either patch work on nano? |
| 07:49:32 | earHertz | Ersan: it's not a patch, I haven't released the code |
| 07:49:41 | Ersan | o.o |
| 07:49:42 | earHertz | I'm building youi a nano right now |
| 07:49:50 | Ersan | oh |
| 07:50:08 | Ersan | its a compiled release? |
| 07:50:11 | earHertz | I want to get some feedback before I release a patch |
| 07:50:39 | earHertz | It adds a new file, and modifies button.[ch] and lisy.[ch] |
| 07:50:41 | earHertz | list |
| 07:50:53 | Ersan | k |
| 07:51:02 | earHertz | Ersan: i'M COMPILING the nano now |
| 07:52:32 | earHertz | And the compile includes my lcd framerate patch too |
| 07:53:05 | Ersan | erm |
| 07:53:07 | Ersan | and that does what |
| 07:53:44 | earHertz | it'sd only for the video. it incereases the framerate by 1 frame per second, or about 5% |
| 07:53:53 | Ersan | o |
| 07:54:51 | earHertz | http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/scrollaccelbeta/nano/rockbox.zip |
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| 07:58:55 | Ersan | thx |
| 07:59:01 | Ersan | ill try it when i get home |
| 07:59:10 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 08:12:28 | smably_ | new version of the remote patch, in case anyone cares: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4860 |
| 08:12:32 | smably_ | time for sleep now! |
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| 08:48:58 | elljay | time to ask a dumb question. can i ever restore my ipod nano back to factory after the firmware install? |
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| 10:25:44 | finik | anyone alive? |
| 10:26:20 | scorche | nay |
| 10:26:25 | petur | ahhhhhh |
| 10:26:34 | finik | thought so |
| 10:26:50 | finik | I am still struggling with the coordinate system :( |
| 10:27:12 | finik | wha do you know about real sin, log and atan functions |
| 10:27:15 | finik | should they work? |
| 10:31:57 | petur | I think they're not available in rockbox, no? |
| 10:32:14 | petur | preglow did some work on it iirc |
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| 10:32:58 | petur | hey! |
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| 10:35:48 | Bg3r | hi ;) |
| 10:36:06 | petur | long time ;) |
| 10:36:09 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:36:14 | Bg3r | no time for RB at all :( |
| 10:36:38 | Bg3r | amiconn congrats for the ISP1362 sleeping bug;) |
| 10:36:59 | * | petur gets msg from net admin about internet disconnect coming up in 10 minutes :/ |
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| 10:39:27 | Bg3r | yesterday i observed a very strange behaveour from my H340 (it seems to be caused by the battery) ... |
| 10:39:44 | Bg3r | *behaviour |
| 10:40:26 | linuxstb | finik: Out of curiosity, why do you need to use real latitude and longitude? |
| 10:40:31 | Bg3r | i booted the iriver fw (haha, this happens usually only when i'm charging it) to show a friend of mine some funny videos |
| 10:41:16 | Bg3r | apart from things like remote and main units's LCDs contrast being very strangely set |
| 10:41:26 | petur | known issue |
| 10:41:34 | Bg3r | yep |
| 10:41:38 | petur | something is corruption retailos settings |
| 10:41:53 | Bg3r | but the strange thing was other one |
| 10:42:11 | Bg3r | after 10 minutes (or so) of watching the video |
| 10:42:34 | Bg3r | the unit just turned off |
| 10:42:53 | Bg3r | (the battery was shown with full bar in the iriver fw) |
| 10:43:18 | Bg3r | reboot ... |
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| 10:43:33 | Bg3r | (into iriver fw again) |
| 10:43:56 | Bg3r | u know, it scans all disk in the beginning ... while doing it, it powered off again... |
| 10:44:00 | Bg3r | reboot in rockbox |
| 10:44:15 | Bg3r | bootloader showed something like 60% battery ... |
| 10:44:32 | Bg3r | rockbox with dircache ... while on the RB logo ... power off again |
| 10:45:08 | Bg3r | after some time i successed in booting the iriver fw again... starting the video -> power off... |
| 10:45:48 | Bg3r | and i stopped trying |
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| 10:47:34 | Bg3r | 2-3 hours later i went home ... started the unit, bootloader showed something like 3.55V ..., plugged the charger immediately after that and the battery started to charge from about 14% .. |
| 10:47:53 | Bg3r | unplugged it, played some songs ... the indicator went up to ~60-65% ... |
| 10:48:03 | Bg3r | rebooted it in the iriver fw |
| 10:48:10 | Bg3r | started playing some songs again |
| 10:48:26 | Bg3r | it didn't power off |
| 10:48:29 | Bg3r | any ideas ? |
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| 10:54:18 | Bg3r | petur any ideas what could be the reason for these strange power offs? |
| 10:54:44 | amiconn | Bg3r: Ignore the battery indicator in retailos. It's crap. |
| 10:55:26 | Bg3r | ok, but the bootloader showed something like 3.55V .. |
| 10:55:38 | Bg3r | aa, yes, i forgot something |
| 10:56:22 | Bg3r | the last times i tried to boot the iriver fw, its "boot loader" (after the rockbox's one) showed "low battery" |
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| 11:00:19 | Bg3r | does all this mean that the battery voltage is falling curtly during the disk scan ? |
| 11:01:04 | petur | got to go.... |
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| 11:10:10 | saa[b_r]ider | hello everyone.. |
| 11:10:25 | Bg3r | hello, saa[b_r]ider |
| 11:10:47 | saa[b_r]ider | this is the first time I try to download from CVS, but I'm having a tiny technical difficulty |
| 11:11:07 | saa[b_r]ider | using XP and cygwin.. cygwin supposedly installed properly |
| 11:12:17 | saa[b_r]ider | I get "failed to open .cvspass for reading: No such file or directory" |
| 11:12:28 | saa[b_r]ider | but there is a .cvspass file in the proper directory, is it looking for a folder? |
| 11:12:39 | saa[b_r]ider | or is my .cvspass file corrupted? |
| 11:17:46 | midkay | it will create one after it gives the error.. so you should only get it once. |
| 11:18:18 | midkay | it's not a fatal error, either.. it's just "hey, this doesn't exist, i'm making it". |
| 11:18:26 | midkay | or at least it shouldn't be. |
| 11:20:31 | saa[b_r]ider | I didn't notice if it was there before or not, and since it didn't say it was creating it, I assumed it was having trouble reading/accessing it |
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| 11:27:20 | saa[b_r]ider | sweet, it's downloading :) |
| 11:28:30 | midkay | :) |
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| 11:29:53 | tucoz | preglow, around? |
| 11:30:38 | tucoz | in that case, do you know what keymap I should select in the vmware image, for norwegian layout. I can choose Standard or latin1 |
| 11:32:32 | tucoz | whatever I choose, I only get a us keymap |
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| 11:49:06 | daurnimat | hi all |
| 11:49:17 | daurnimat | i'm wondering what the best lossless codec is |
| 11:49:30 | daurnimat | wavpack, flac, ape or wma |
| 11:53:09 | Genre9mp3 | For me FLAC is the best because is "less" CPU intensive than others |
| 11:53:30 | Genre9mp3 | Though wma is lossy codec, not lossless |
| 11:53:31 | saa[b_r]ider | hi daurnimat, I have no experience with lossless, but I doubt anyone would say wma (no one likes microsoft) |
| 11:53:44 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: There's a lossless wma codec. |
| 11:53:51 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Really? |
| 11:53:52 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: they may have a lossless... there you go |
| 11:54:07 | daurnimat | microsoft brought out a wma lossless |
| 11:54:09 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes. But it's not supported by many (if any) portables. |
| 11:54:14 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: just like aac, there's lossy and lossless |
| 11:54:15 | daurnimat | its not their thing to conform |
| 11:54:15 | daurnimat | :S |
| 11:54:24 | linuxstb | saa[b_r]ider: aac is only lossy.... |
| 11:54:41 | saa[b_r]ider | apple have a lossless aac, |
| 11:54:48 | daurnimat | m4a is apples |
| 11:54:50 | daurnimat | isn't it? |
| 11:54:54 | linuxstb | No, Apple have "Apple Lossless" - it's nothing to do with AAC. |
| 11:54:56 | daurnimat | (ALAC) |
| 11:55:08 | linuxstb | m4a is just the generic MPEG-4 container format. |
| 11:55:22 | saa[b_r]ider | linuxstb: right, but what's the file extension for the apple lossless? |
| 11:55:22 | daurnimat | ALAC fits in mpeg-4 container |
| 11:55:26 | linuxstb | Apple use the MPEG-4 container with either AAC or their own lossless format. |
| 11:55:39 | daurnimat | saa[b_r]ider: i believe m4a |
| 11:55:52 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: Well, never care of wma actually, so that's why, my ignorance on lossy wma |
| 11:55:53 | linuxstb | Yes, it's m4a. But m4a != aac |
| 11:56:01 | daurnimat | its alac |
| 11:56:03 | daurnimat | not aac |
| 11:56:04 | daurnimat | :S |
| 11:56:06 | saa[b_r]ider | apple will start selling lossless DRM songs on iTunes |
| 11:56:18 | * | linuxstb spots hell freezing over |
| 11:56:40 | saa[b_r]ider | hehehe |
| 11:56:47 | Genre9mp3 | Also, there's another lossy codec, the TrueAudio (.tta) |
| 11:57:03 | Genre9mp3 | But it's quite similar to ape |
| 11:57:14 | daurnimat | from what i'm reading on comparisons |
| 11:57:20 | daurnimat | wavpack always seems to win |
| 11:57:20 | linuxstb | daurnimat: But going back to your question, I wouldn't use APE because of the restrictive license, and WMA for the same reason. |
| 11:57:45 | daurnimat | so no complaints for wavpack |
| 11:57:50 | daurnimat | (i want to rerip about 400 cds) |
| 11:58:05 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: do you compile your build or use a kosh/norbu/drippy build? |
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| 11:58:13 | linuxstb | wavpack can compress slightly better than FLAC, but at the expense of a slightly increased decoding time (at least in Rockbox). |
| 11:58:30 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: I compile my own build |
| 11:58:30 | daurnimat | one comparison that looks unbiased: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison |
| 11:58:49 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: do you use the backlight filter patch? |
| 11:58:53 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
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| 11:59:12 | _Voyager_ | morning |
| 11:59:18 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3 how about the record button assignemnt patch? |
| 11:59:21 | daurnimat | so |
| 11:59:26 | daurnimat | flac vs wavpack |
| 11:59:32 | saa[b_r]ider | _Voyager_ evening |
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| 11:59:48 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: You mean the record button use in WPS? |
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| 12:00:02 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3 ie one press-> playlist etc |
| 12:00:03 | saa[b_r]ider | yeah |
| 12:00:29 | Genre9mp3 | Yes, I also use that, but not the latest (the one that you configure the action) |
| 12:00:37 | linuxstb | daurnimat: The good thing about lossless is that you can change your choice in the future - if you go with FLAC now, but then decide in the future you want wavpack, you can just do a batch transcode of all your files. |
| 12:00:39 | Genre9mp3 | I only need to go to the playlist |
| 12:01:15 | daurnimat | also, whats the speed of (eg) transcoding wavpack or flac to mp3 (for smaller filesizes on an mp3 player) |
| 12:01:46 | linuxstb | On a PC, I don't think you would notice any decoding differences in the two. The bottleneck will be the mp3 encoding. |
| 12:01:49 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: since you use both (backlight filter + rec button in WPS) now the third question :) there's a patch that includes the rec button in the backlight filter, do you use that? |
| 12:02:39 | daurnimat | so, can someone choose for me? |
| 12:02:43 | daurnimat | flac or wavpack |
| 12:02:43 | Genre9mp3 | no, haven't noticed that |
| 12:02:57 | linuxstb | daurnimat: I recently re-ripped my entire CD collection, and chose FLAC. |
| 12:03:03 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: The one that norbusan made, right? |
| 12:03:12 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: yeah.. |
| 12:03:20 | daurnimat | linuxstb: what were your main reasons for that choice? |
| 12:03:27 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: no, I don't use that |
| 12:03:37 | linuxstb | daurnimat: One point to remember about FLAC in Rockbox is that you need a full seektable. So add "−−seekpoint=1s" to your encoding options. |
| 12:03:50 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Didn't quite understand what it does, but anyway |
| 12:03:55 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: it seems that his patch needs to be applied after patching the toher two |
| 12:03:57 | daurnimat | linuxstb: i don't have rockbox |
| 12:04:04 | daurnimat | just came here cause you guys are in the know |
| 12:04:07 | saa[b_r]ider | ^other |
| 12:04:19 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: Very possible |
| 12:04:53 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: ok, does the backlight filter patch have the correct button names for the H300? |
| 12:05:07 | linuxstb | daurnimat: Mainly because it's the most efficient codec in Rockbox. But also because it's the most widely supported open source lossless codec. |
| 12:05:14 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: as in navi not select, or a-b not mode etc... |
| 12:05:19 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: What do you mean by that? |
| 12:06:18 | linuxstb | daurnimat: Also, the command-line "oggenc" vorbis encoder can encode vorbis files directly from FLAC files, and I'll probably have to start using vorbis on my Rockbox players soon due to disk space. |
| 12:06:25 | _Voyager_ | 3 |
| 12:06:46 | saa[b_r]ider | Genre9mp3: when you enter the option to configure the backlight behavior when buttons are pushed, does it use H100 button names, or the correct H300 button names? |
| 12:07:22 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: the H300 button names... NAVI, A-B |
| 12:08:04 | saa[b_r]ider | awesome... thanks |
| 12:08:30 | Genre9mp3 | anyway...got to go |
| 12:08:35 | Genre9mp3 | see you later |
| 12:08:37 | daurnimat | linuxstb: hmm, ok |
| 12:09:46 | linuxstb | daurnimat: But as I said, it doesn't really matter. You can change your mind in the future without having to rerirp. |
| 12:09:50 | linuxstb | ^rerip |
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| 12:12:02 | daurnimat | well |
| 12:12:08 | daurnimat | does wavpack still have 2 files? |
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| 12:13:11 | linuxstb | daurnimat: I assume you mean the hybrid mode. That's optional. |
| 12:13:20 | daurnimat | cool |
| 12:13:27 | linuxstb | By default, wavpack will give you a single lossless file. |
| 12:13:42 | daurnimat | if i do choose it, (the hybrid), how big is each file? |
| 12:16:27 | linuxstb | I've never tried it. But I would expect the lossy file to be about the same size as any other lossy file (obviously depending on the chosen bitrate), and then the correction file would be slightly more than the size of a normal lossless file minus the size size of the lossy file. |
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| 12:16:56 | linuxstb | i.e. lossy + correction slightly more than lossless |
| 12:17:31 | daurnimat | cause |
| 12:17:37 | daurnimat | that wouldn't be bad with all that |
| 12:17:48 | daurnimat | just have the lossy one on my portable player |
| 12:17:56 | daurnimat | and both parts on my computer |
| 12:18:13 | linuxstb | So what portable do you have? |
| 12:19:31 | daurnimat | archos gmini 402 |
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| 12:21:20 | linuxstb | So does that support wavpack? |
| 12:24:50 | daurnimat | nope |
| 12:24:55 | daurnimat | just mp3 & wma |
| 12:25:02 | daurnimat | but - i'm sure i can code something up |
| 12:25:03 | daurnimat | ;) |
| 12:27:15 | daurnimat | ok |
| 12:27:19 | daurnimat | ripping first cd |
| 12:27:23 | daurnimat | (in wavpack) |
| 12:27:31 | daurnimat | hybrid - lossy @ 192kbps |
| 12:27:54 | daurnimat | 10x Real Time encoding |
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| 12:49:14 | daurnimat | ok |
| 12:49:18 | daurnimat | off topic question |
| 12:49:30 | daurnimat | but does any1 have Gipsy Kings Greatest Hits Cd? |
| 12:49:45 | daurnimat | mines fairly scrathed, and theres a song i want from it in lossless |
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| 13:16:12 | Zweiundvierzig | Morning |
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| 13:16:32 | lou | the answer to life and everything is here |
| 13:17:25 | apo` | Indeed |
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| 13:24:15 | lou | arcor ip, hmm germans tend to have the answer to everything |
| 13:26:40 | apo` | Well, I was just asking myself what to use as my alternative nickname. And the answer to everything probably also includes the answer to that question :P |
| 13:29:02 | toed | how do I make my ipod not go into disk mode when I plug it into hte compter? |
| 13:29:08 | toed | I just want it to charge |
| 13:30:43 | daurnimat | turn the computer off? |
| 13:31:02 | toed | pressing menu did the trick |
| 13:31:07 | * | toed should have read the faq first |
| 13:31:21 | chendo | anyone used trac before? |
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| 13:37:26 | freqmod | I am having a discussion in #speex about dynamic vs static memory allocation in speex/rockbox, is there any reasons to not have dynamic memory allocations? (i.e. use malloc)? |
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| 13:39:03 | jmspeex | Guess this chan would be appropriate to discuss Speex integration... |
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| 13:40:32 | markun | freqmod: rockbox has no free memory because we want the largest possible buffer for the audio data |
| 13:40:39 | linuxstb | freqmod: There are lots of reasons - mainly it wastes space. |
| 13:41:19 | freqmod | i am trying to convice jmspeex why it is a good idea... |
| 13:41:37 | jmspeex | why what exactly is a good idea? |
| 13:41:41 | markun | freqmod: you can 'malloc' inside your own buffer, but that has to have the works case size anyway, so then you are back at static allocation |
| 13:41:50 | freqmod | ok |
| 13:42:04 | markun | worst case.. |
| 13:42:40 | daurnimat | well |
| 13:42:46 | daurnimat | it seems lossless ain't that good |
| 13:42:48 | freqmod | It is possible that I have misinterpreted this discussion: http://pastebin.ca/69743 |
| 13:42:50 | daurnimat | file sizes are huge |
| 13:42:51 | daurnimat | :S |
| 13:42:53 | markun | daurnimat: why not? |
| 13:42:58 | markun | of course.. |
| 13:43:10 | daurnimat | 50mb a song in lossless |
| 13:43:15 | daurnimat | or 75mb raw |
| 13:43:42 | markun | daurnimat: it also depends on the songs. Some compress better. |
| 13:44:35 | linuxstb | daurnimat: That ratio (66%) is about average. Some music will compress more, some even less. |
| 13:44:39 | lou | lossless is great for the nerds who rip their cds in order to have an orgasmic experience of music on their $500 portable musicplayer |
| 13:45:14 | linuxstb | lou: Not a fan of lossles then? |
| 13:45:24 | linuxstb | (add an s there) |
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| 13:46:54 | daurnimat | well |
| 13:47:02 | daurnimat | i want better compression |
| 13:47:03 | daurnimat | :S |
| 13:47:51 | lou | linuxstb, i think its overkill for almost every situation |
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| 13:48:38 | shay | hello worlks |
| 13:48:52 | shay | has someone though about working on Creative Nomad Jukeboxes? |
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| 13:50:26 | linuxstb | lou: Yes, it's probably overkill, but it's simple and it's guaranteed. I'm just too lazy to worry about lossy formats - with lossless, I know I've got the best possible quality, and have enough disk space for it. |
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| 13:50:53 | daurnimat | i on the other hand |
| 13:51:10 | daurnimat | will probably need more diskspace at this rate |
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| 13:51:56 | lou | linuxstb, :) |
| 13:52:06 | lou | i am concerned about my diskspace |
| 13:52:22 | safetydan | hrm... no jdgordon |
| 13:52:36 | linuxstb | safetydan: He said yesterday that he wouldn't be around for a few days. |
| 13:52:38 | lou | which brings me to the fact that i need a new ipod |
| 13:52:44 | lou | because the one i have is full |
| 13:52:46 | lou | :< |
| 13:53:21 | safetydan | ah well, guess I'll just have to actually read his remote lcd equalizer ui patch |
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| 13:53:41 | jmspeex | Any plans for supporting Speex *encoding* in rockbox? |
| 13:54:04 | jmspeex | I believe a 75 MHz 7tdmi should be able to do it now. |
| 13:54:16 | linuxstb | Does the encoder require floating point operations? |
| 13:54:27 | jmspeex | not in narrowband |
| 13:54:35 | daurnimat | lou: get something else instead |
| 13:54:40 | daurnimat | like a gmini |
| 13:54:41 | daurnimat | ^_^ |
| 13:55:04 | jmspeex | a 75 MHz arm isn't enough for wideband anyway, but narrowband should be possible at 6 kbps and probably 8 kbps |
| 13:55:13 | jmspeex | Not a single float op required. |
| 13:56:38 | markun | jmspeex: what kind of speeds do you need for wideband? |
| 13:57:16 | linuxstb | jmspeex: Also, Rockbox doesn't support recording on ipods yet - but I'm planning on working on it after Rockbox 3.0 is released. |
| 13:57:18 | jmspeex | about 2x more I'd say. |
| 13:57:38 | linuxstb | Well, ipods have 2x75MHz arm7tdmi |
| 13:57:47 | linuxstb | (dual-core) |
| 13:58:43 | lou | daurnimat, that thing looks bulky |
| 13:58:50 | jmspeex | In theory, it may be feasible, but it would require 1) lots more ARM assembly and 2) parallelizing Speex, which it highly non-trivial. |
| 13:59:05 | lou | looking at the xs202s |
| 13:59:32 | jmspeex | ...unless the core is faster than the last I played with. What's the cache size and bus bandwidth? |
| 13:59:50 | shay | so I guess that nobody is working on getting Rockbox on Creative Nomad devices.. |
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| 14:00:01 | jmspeex | The main thing that sucks about ARM is the multiplier |
| 14:00:53 | linuxstb | Each core has it's own unified 8KB cache. |
| 14:01:15 | linuxstb | But Rockbox also runs on other CPUs - e.g. 124MHz Coldfires (m68k based) |
| 14:01:32 | linuxstb | And maybe some faster ARMs in the future. |
| 14:02:15 | jmspeex | Key is how many cycles per MAC (or MACs per cycle) |
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| 14:02:57 | jmspeex | I think the ARM7 takes 4 cycles/MAC. |
| 14:03:15 | amiconn | Then coldfire is definitely faster |
| 14:04:19 | jmspeex | the ipod core doesn't have the dsp-like instructions by any any chance, does it? |
| 14:06:14 | jmspeex | BTW, could anyone provide me access to an ARM box? |
| 14:06:52 | jmspeex | Speex used to have good assembly for ARM, but it's suffered from bitrot ever since the ipaqs at handhelds.org have gone offline. |
| 14:08:12 | daurnimat | jmspeex: ARM box?? |
| 14:09:06 | jmspeex | i.e. an ARM machine I can log on to and compile/run Speex. |
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| 14:13:24 | jmspeex | BTW, does rockbox support any of my players −− Rio Karma and iRiver 799? |
| 14:13:37 | linuxstb | There is a semi-working port to the 799 |
| 14:13:55 | linuxstb | (which has an ARM) |
| 14:14:10 | jmspeex | didn't know that. What speed does it run? |
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| 14:15:26 | linuxstb | The Rockbox port is documented here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort |
| 14:15:53 | preglow | ahh |
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| 14:16:24 | preglow | jmspeex: the arm4 asm in speex is all we can use |
| 14:17:14 | freqmod | i tried the arm5e, and it worked fine. |
| 14:17:19 | preglow | it did? |
| 14:17:21 | preglow | seriously? |
| 14:17:28 | preglow | you're certain you enabled it correctly? |
| 14:17:32 | freqmod | no |
| 14:18:16 | freqmod | i changed #ifdef ARM5E_ASM to #ifdef ARM5E_ASM || defined (CPU_ARM) |
| 14:18:42 | freqmod | in arch.h, but my battery has been a little funny afterwards, maybe it isn't wise to try it |
| 14:18:53 | preglow | well, that should trigger it... |
| 14:19:01 | preglow | i doubt that would trigger any battery anomalies |
| 14:19:06 | linuxstb | I think you wanted #if defined(ARM5E_ARM) || defined(CPU_ARM) |
| 14:19:27 | linuxstb | Or maybe not.... |
| 14:20:02 | freqmod | likely, all the other defines is in paranteses |
| 14:20:29 | preglow | ahaha |
| 14:20:31 | preglow | yes |
| 14:20:39 | preglow | you'd want want linuxstb says |
| 14:20:42 | linuxstb | freqmod: Just put "#warning test" inside the #ifdef to see if it's being compiled. |
| 14:20:55 | preglow | i seriously doubt arm5 asm will work |
| 14:21:08 | preglow | but if it does, i won't exactly fret |
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| 14:21:45 | jmspeex | preglow: I *think* it's ARM5E assembly, but it may be supported by other archs |
| 14:21:59 | preglow | jmspeex: coldfire has a 1cycle/32 bit mac througput, would that do at 125mhz for encoding? |
| 14:22:24 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, but i had a look at the code, and those extended mac instructions should not be on the ipod arm |
| 14:22:26 | jmspeex | Basically, the *really* useful ARM instruction is smlabb |
| 14:23:36 | jmspeex | preglow: 125 MMACs peak would definitely be enough for most (all?) the narrowband modes. Maybe some wideband modes as well with a bit of assembly. |
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| 14:24:18 | preglow | jmspeex: sure, we need to use assembly to utilise the mac unit |
| 14:24:49 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, as far as i could see, speex uses mostly 32 bit wide multiplies, is that so? |
| 14:24:53 | Mikachu | yeah you have to use #if if you want to use || |
| 14:26:05 | jmspeex | preglow: no, Speex uses only 16x16 multiplies |
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| 14:26:32 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, that's what i meant |
| 14:26:35 | preglow | 32 bit results |
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| 14:26:50 | preglow | then the coldfire mac unit will perform very well |
| 14:27:11 | preglow | i'm planning to do the coldfire optimising for speex once i get time |
| 14:27:22 | preglow | but you're also saying the arm opts in speex isn't all that anymore? |
| 14:27:29 | jmspeex | Yes, that's what I use pretty much everywhere. There used to be lots of 16x32 that were implemented using 16x16, but I removed most of them in the svn version. |
| 14:27:58 | * | freqmod is testing arm5Easm on ipod |
| 14:28:43 | jmspeex | preglow: When I replaced 16x32 by 16x16, it obsoleted lots of ARM assembly. So the ARM port got slower while the rest got faster. |
| 14:29:21 | preglow | 16x16 multiplies are plain mla's on arm |
| 14:29:27 | preglow | it should be sped if anything |
| 14:29:35 | preglow | sped up, that is |
| 14:30:07 | freqmod | arm5Easm is working like a charm |
| 14:30:20 | preglow | freqmod: please do a dissasembly |
| 14:30:26 | preglow | and check if you can actually find the instructions in question |
| 14:30:41 | freqmod | how do I do that? |
| 14:31:00 | Mikachu | isn't it easier to do the savetemps thing in gcc? |
| 14:31:04 | preglow | arm-elf-objdump -d libspeex.a or whatever |
| 14:31:08 | preglow | then search for smlabb |
| 14:31:16 | jmspeex | preglow: yes, the compiler would generate mla, but I lose the benefit of hand-coded assembly. |
| 14:31:24 | preglow | Mikachu: i don't think so, but whatever floats your boat |
| 14:31:34 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, but my point is, it shouldn't be too hard to adapt the assembly |
| 14:32:28 | jmspeex | preglow: sure, probably not that hard, but I don't have access to an ARM machine anymore. |
| 14:32:30 | freqmod | Error running "arm-elf-objdump -d speex.codec": speex.codec: File format not recognized |
| 14:32:39 | jmspeex | preglow: BTW, is the cache write-through or write-back. |
| 14:33:07 | Mikachu | freqmod: you have to do it on the elf file |
| 14:33:16 | Mikachu | i think |
| 14:33:28 | Mikachu | or maybe you can tell it it's a raw binary |
| 14:33:35 | freqmod | that works |
| 14:34:08 | preglow | jmspeex: i could try to do it |
| 14:34:15 | jmspeex | Some of the functions (e.g. filter_mem16) assume that write speed == read speed and (I just realized) need to be rewritten if the cache is write-through. |
| 14:34:16 | preglow | jmspeex: but i don't have time right now, but give me a week and i might |
| 14:34:29 | jmspeex | preglow: rey what? |
| 14:34:32 | jmspeex | try |
| 14:34:34 | preglow | rewriting the arm asm |
| 14:34:41 | preglow | btw, we really don't know what the cache is |
| 14:34:46 | jmspeex | OK, that would be nice. |
| 14:34:51 | preglow | the ipod hardware has no docs at all |
| 14:34:57 | preglow | at least not the core chip |
| 14:35:05 | jmspeex | preglow: easy to check. What's the write speed if you write in a small buffer. |
| 14:35:14 | preglow | ahh, yeah, but no one has checked yet := |
| 14:35:15 | preglow | :) < |
| 14:36:12 | freqmod | No smlawb in http://pastebin.ca/69777 |
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| 14:38:11 | preglow | freqmod: doesn't look to me like you have enabled any opts at all |
| 14:38:12 | jmspeex | preglow: on Blackfin, enabling write-back gave us about 20% in speed. |
| 14:39:16 | preglow | that is, maybe arm4 |
| 14:39:25 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, i don't doubt that |
| 14:39:34 | preglow | unfortunately, we really have no idea how to do cache control |
| 14:39:39 | preglow | we know how to enable it, that's pretty much it |
| 14:39:52 | freqmod | doing make clean.. |
| 14:40:48 | jmspeex | preglow: well, when you know it's write-through you can do some damage-control (by reversing some loops, you can have more reads and less writes). |
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| 14:43:08 | preglow | heh |
| 14:43:09 | preglow | let's hope it's not |
| 14:43:45 | preglow | jmspeex: anywho |
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| 14:43:48 | preglow | jmspeex: we also have some sram |
| 14:43:59 | freqmod | I managed to enable it: got selected processor does not support:smulwb,smulwb,smulbb |
| 14:44:05 | linuxstb | safetydan: I don't like the way the EQ-on-remote patch you committed is hard-coded to do different things for SCREEN_MAIN and SCREEN_REMOTE - IMO the screen drawing routines should check for display characteristics like width/height/depth instead and adapt itself appropriately. |
| 14:44:07 | preglow | jmspeex: i assume we will have room to put all important data, filter coefs and so on, in sram |
| 14:44:19 | preglow | jmspeex: and in that case we don't really have to worry |
| 14:44:25 | jmspeex | preglow: how much sram have you got? |
| 14:44:35 | preglow | jmspeex: about 48kbps allocated to codecs at the moment |
| 14:44:43 | preglow | ehh |
| 14:44:43 | preglow | kb |
| 14:45:13 | jmspeex | so 6 kB. I guess the data would fit (not the code though) |
| 14:45:40 | preglow | ahh, no, 48kB |
| 14:45:40 | safetydan | linuxstb, it's not great no, but the screen's drawn are so different between the two that it's a bit hard to have a single routine that just adapts to screen size |
| 14:45:43 | preglow | i'm not too big on caps |
| 14:45:49 | preglow | as in 48 kilobytes |
| 14:46:12 | preglow | jmspeex: in all our other codecs, data has always been what gains most by being put in sram |
| 14:46:29 | freqmod | then i enabled it in the ifdef, with arm4asm outside, and got an error in arm5easm, then removed arm4asm, and the it compiles |
| 14:46:38 | * | freqmod thinks arm-elf-gcc acts strange |
| 14:46:49 | jmspeex | 48 kB is definitely enough for data and about half the code. |
| 14:46:55 | preglow | freqmod: that's what i thought |
| 14:47:01 | preglow | jmspeex: then hooray! |
| 14:47:08 | preglow | jmspeex: we'll have to be rid of all the mallocs for that, though |
| 14:47:13 | saa[b_r]ider | erm... why am I getting an error trying to register with flyspray? |
| 14:47:35 | preglow | freqmod: as in arm7tdmi does not support those instructions |
| 14:47:45 | preglow | but if speex only uses 16x16 bit multiplies now, it really doesn't matter |
| 14:47:47 | jmspeex | preglow: it's easy to override speex_alloc() to use any allocation you want. |
| 14:48:04 | preglow | jmspeex: i'd rather we use static allocation |
| 14:48:16 | preglow | jmspeex: we don't need multiple instances of any codec, so we'll be fine with static allocation |
| 14:48:23 | preglow | and we won't waste any ram |
| 14:48:26 | jmspeex | preglow: still *does* matter. mla is 4 cycles, whereas smlabb is only one i think. |
| 14:48:35 | preglow | jmspeex: oh, ok then |
| 14:48:41 | preglow | jmspeex: bah, of course it is |
| 14:48:51 | preglow | jmspeex: but anyway, nothing to be done about it |
| 14:48:53 | saa[b_r]ider | anyone? I can't register with the patch tracker |
| 14:48:54 | jmspeex | speex_alloc() can just return an offset into your static mem. |
| 14:49:22 | preglow | jmspeex: sure, but we'd also like to be rid of all the other mallocs |
| 14:49:40 | preglow | jmspeex: right now we keep a 512kB buffer for mallocs, which is 512kB wasted mp3 buffer |
| 14:49:57 | preglow | jmspeex: do you do any reallocing? |
| 14:50:35 | jmspeex | what do you mean the *other* mallocs? |
| 14:51:30 | preglow | jmspeex: ah, ok, so all malloced data will fit in sram? |
| 14:51:41 | jmspeex | reallocing as in realloc()? Only in one place and as a safeguard for people who try doing things they shouldn't do. |
| 14:52:10 | preglow | problem triggered by erronous files or erronous library use? |
| 14:52:36 | freqmod | If it is an errornous file why don't make that an error (display a message)? |
| 14:52:43 | jmspeex | speex_alloc() is only called at init time. Speex requires in the order of 2 kB per encoder state, plus about 2 kB of scratch space (or stack). |
| 14:53:04 | linuxstb | safetydan: If that's the case, then you could have two functions, but call them based on display characteristics. I'm thinking of the future when we may have the EQ on the Archos (small main display), or larger remotes capable of the full display. |
| 14:53:06 | preglow | jmspeex: that sounds really great |
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| 14:53:40 | linuxstb | Is there any malloc'ing in libogg? |
| 14:53:51 | jmspeex | preglow: problems only if someone attempts to put lots (>>10) Speex frames in one packet, which is illegal (for an Ogg Speex file anyway). |
| 14:53:54 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, how many corners is it possible to cut doing speex encoding? i haven't used speex in any apps for a long time so can't remember |
| 14:54:15 | jmspeex | preglow: what do you mean by cutting corners? |
| 14:54:26 | preglow | well, sacrificing quality for speed |
| 14:54:32 | freqmod | yes, and Tremors libogg has a memory corruption problem when using it with speex (libogg1.1.3 works) |
| 14:54:32 | preglow | i'd really love it if rockbox could do speex encoding |
| 14:54:42 | jmspeex | preglow: there's a complexity setting that controls speed vs quality. |
| 14:55:38 | freqmod | i tested different complexities, and it didn't affect decoding, (indtroduce delays in realtime NB&WB decoding) |
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| 14:55:50 | jmspeex | I recommend quality 1. There's also a quality 0 and a few more speed hacks, but they're usually not worth it (small speed gain for significant quality drop) |
| 14:56:11 | preglow | freqmod: shouldn't affect decoding either, afaik |
| 14:56:18 | safetydan | linuxstb, sounds like a reasonable approach. |
| 14:56:36 | jmspeex | freqmod: complexity is only for encoding. The only way to speedup the decoding is to disable the enhancer, but there's a significant quality drop, especially at low bit-rate. |
| 14:56:42 | safetydan | Is there really a chance we'll have an EQ on the Archos? I didn't think the CPU was up to it. |
| 14:56:45 | preglow | jmspeex: how's memory usage for encoding? not same as decoding, i take it? |
| 14:56:55 | preglow | jmspeex: and what does the enhancer do? |
| 14:57:01 | preglow | safetydan: no chance |
| 14:57:08 | preglow | safetydan: not unless we start programming the mas |
| 14:57:13 | preglow | which you would have to be insane to do |
| 14:58:15 | jmspeex | preglow: encoding takes about the same amount of memory for the state itself, but a bit more for scratch space. |
| 14:58:21 | safetydan | righto |
| 14:58:47 | jmspeex | preglow: the enhancer improves the perceptual quality (i.e. removes some noise) of the speech on the decoder side. |
| 14:59:41 | preglow | noise shaper? |
| 14:59:57 | preglow | nah, forget that |
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| 15:00:36 | linuxstb | safetydan: OK, but the X5's remote is 128x96 - would that be big enough for a full display? |
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| 15:02:12 | safetydan | err... what's the h120 screen? 160x120? |
| 15:02:29 | freqmod | ifdefs (for asm) does not work, but gives warnings/errors in the compiler: http://pastebin.ca/69798 |
| 15:03:03 | freqmod | jmspeex: should fixed_math be included in misc.c? |
| 15:03:16 | linuxstb | safetydan: 160x128. The ipod mini is currently the swcodec device with smallest LCD - 138x110. (Nano is 176x132) |
| 15:03:31 | safetydan | 128x96 is probably too small for the full eq |
| 15:04:10 | safetydan | I do have a patch floating around for a scalable eq screen but it needs lots of work |
| 15:04:20 | crash3m|wrk | I have an old archos jukebox studio 20, and I'm getting I/O errors when reading files from linux, in the logs I see a SCS error before the FAT errors, is it possible that this is due to bad sectors on the disk, and if so, is it possible to correct the issue? |
| 15:04:23 | jmspeex | freqmod: what do you mean fixed_math? |
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| 15:04:45 | freqmod | fixed_generic.h & fixed_arm4.h |
| 15:06:41 | freqmod | crash3mlwrk: it may be possible to mark the sectors as bad to use the disk (but not retrive the data) |
| 15:07:38 | crash3m|wrk | that'd be fine, I intend to wipe off the mp3's anyway |
| 15:08:39 | jmspeex | freqmod: I don't understand the question... what is it that triggered the error you pasted? |
| 15:09:01 | freqmod | i triggered the error myself (by using #error) |
| 15:09:16 | jmspeex | what's the problem? |
| 15:09:40 | crash3m|wrk | interesting, looks like fsck isnt having any issues (yet) |
| 15:09:47 | freqmod | i just wondered which .c files which should (indirectly) include fixed_generic.h & fixed_arm4.h |
| 15:10:08 | freqmod | misc.c? |
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| 15:16:21 | jmspeex | freqmod: all .c files need to include those indirectly |
| 15:16:56 | crash3m|wrk | oop, now fsck is freaking out the kernel again |
| 15:19:34 | freqmod | ok |
| 15:20:54 | preglow | shouldn't those be in config.h? |
| 15:21:16 | jmspeex | preglow: why would they be? |
| 15:21:28 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 15:21:41 | jmspeex | they can contain inline functions and lots of stuff. |
| 15:21:44 | preglow | sounds like a logical place to keep platform dependent includes |
| 15:22:11 | freqmod | they are in arch.h, for archictecture dependent includes |
| 15:22:39 | jmspeex | preglow: config.h is only for autoconf-detected stuff |
| 15:24:12 | freqmod | I did find the error. misc.h is the only file that includes ../codecs.h that defines CPU_ARM |
| 15:24:22 | freqmod | ehh... misc.c |
| 15:24:42 | jmspeex | arch.h has more than just architecture-dependent stuff. It controls whether fixed-point or floating-point operators are used. |
| 15:26:10 | preglow | jmspeex: yeah, and i thought all that stuff was configured by autoconf via configure flags and so on |
| 15:27:20 | jmspeex | autoconf just figures out whether we want float or fixed and the size of a few types. arch.h contains the definition for all the operators. There's several dozens of them. |
| 15:27:41 | preglow | aight |
| 15:28:05 | jmspeex | things like MULT16_32_Q14 and so on. |
| 15:28:44 | preglow | yeap |
| 15:28:52 | preglow | but anyway |
| 15:29:05 | preglow | lets get out of this feature freeze so i can commit this :> |
| 15:29:41 | preglow | jmspeex: btw, am i right in saying the wideband playback still isn't completely fixed point? |
| 15:33:56 | jmspeex | preglow: you're right. Narrowband is entirely fixed-point, but some bits of wideband aren't. there's only a few operations left, so it should slow-down too much. |
| 15:34:10 | Mikachu | shouldn't? |
| 15:34:16 | jmspeex | Of course, the objective is to convert everything. |
| 15:34:28 | jmspeex | shouldn't slow down, yes |
| 15:36:44 | preglow | no innerloop floats or anything? |
| 15:36:52 | preglow | floating point is tremedously slow for us, being emulated |
| 15:37:39 | freqmod | i have made a little float in stereo.c, but it is just passed and compared. |
| 15:40:07 | jmspeex | no innerloop floats, otherwise it would be *really* slow. |
| 15:40:09 | freqmod | it is this strange sqrt problem it works by changeing speex_decode_stereo_int to use sqrtf (float) and the use: http://pastebin.ca/69748 with sqrtf calling sqrt if the argument!=1 |
| 15:40:53 | jmspeex | eventually, all these problems will go away (when everything works in fixed-point) |
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| 15:43:55 | preglow | hmm |
| 15:44:00 | preglow | perhaps i'll have a look |
| 15:44:27 | preglow | i'm not the biggest fixed point wizard in the world, though |
| 15:45:49 | jmspeex | There are only two instances of exp() and both can be trivially replaced by a very small lookup (the input is quantized). |
| 15:46:12 | preglow | ahah |
| 15:46:32 | * | freqmod have just finished to learn about exp/log this year at school, so he doesn't know anything about this kind of math at all. |
| 15:46:35 | jmspeex | Also, I've got spx_sqrt() implemented in fixed-point, so it may not be too hard to replace those too (though I can't remember where the float sqrt is still used). |
| 15:47:06 | freqmod | I have made a lookup table for exp in stereo |
| 15:47:18 | freqmod | (which btw. also uses spx_sqrt()) |
| 15:47:37 | jmspeex | seems like it's only the stereo code that uses the float sqrt() |
| 15:48:06 | preglow | is stereo really that interesting for speex? :> |
| 15:48:19 | jmspeex | preglow: no |
| 15:48:30 | preglow | but yeah |
| 15:48:34 | preglow | we need wideband, that's for sure |
| 15:48:42 | preglow | i expect speex will be quite a fast decode |
| 15:48:51 | preglow | so we can use it for our voice files |
| 15:48:53 | freqmod | well, it works relativly good by using the fixed point sqrt except for sqrt(1)=1 |
| 15:48:57 | jmspeex | It sucks anyway. I only added it "in case someone finds it useful", but I still haven't seen any decent use for it. |
| 15:49:21 | freqmod | wideband (stereo&mono) works realtime on ipod (16000 hz). |
| 15:49:46 | preglow | we'll only need mono |
| 15:49:52 | preglow | freqmod: at what boost ratio? |
| 15:50:07 | freqmod | ahh.. 75Mhz all the time .... its UWB that does not work |
| 15:50:08 | jmspeex | preglow: decode is much faster than encode and if you can't decode ultra-wideband, just tell the decoder it's wideband and it'll work fine |
| 15:50:16 | freqmod | ok |
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| 15:50:27 | freqmod | i'll check that |
| 15:50:56 | * | freqmod does not like Ogg seeking, it is troublesome... :( |
| 15:51:05 | jmspeex | a wideband file is a narrowband file with some side info (that the narrowband decoder itself simply skips) |
| 15:51:11 | preglow | jmspeex: cool |
| 15:51:22 | jmspeex | an ultra-wideband file is a wideband file with some side info (that the widebandband decoder itself simply skips) |
| 15:51:49 | preglow | jmspeex: what kind of side info? the upper part of the spectrum isn't encoded like in the other modes? |
| 15:52:00 | Mikachu | so you could give the uw file to the nw decoder too? |
| 15:52:05 | * | Mikachu deductive+1 |
| 15:52:08 | jmspeex | Mikachu: yes |
| 15:52:11 | preglow | if i remember correctly, wb mode works with a qmf filter |
| 15:52:26 | preglow | just splitting the band in two |
| 15:52:32 | jmspeex | preglow: side info as in encoding of the higher frequencies. |
| 15:52:42 | jmspeex | preglow: that's right. |
| 15:52:42 | preglow | oh, alright |
| 15:52:56 | preglow | so uwb just splits spectrum in half, then lower part in half again? |
| 15:53:17 | jmspeex | The uwb actually allocates only 1.8 kbps for the whole 8-16 kHz band, so sometimes it sounds a bit noise. |
| 15:53:40 | jmspeex | In some circumstances (and for some people), uwb can actually sound worse than wb. |
| 15:53:51 | jmspeex | preglow: exactly. |
| 15:53:54 | preglow | i don't really see much of a point in uwb |
| 15:53:58 | preglow | i think wb should do nicely for speech |
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| 15:54:15 | petur | wiki spam |
| 15:54:17 | jmspeex | Again, it was a quick hack that didn't cost much to implement. |
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| 15:54:43 | * | freqmod is getting an audiobook on cd for testing, the ripped ogg files are too much encoded for reenocding |
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| 15:55:32 | jmspeex | Ok, bed time for me. |
| 15:55:33 | jmspeex | g'night |
| 15:56:17 | preglow | night |
| 15:56:24 | preglow | nice to talk to you |
| 15:56:48 | * | preglow likes it everytime codec authors drop by :) |
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| 16:13:57 | * | linuxstb is still waiting for an aac author... |
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| 16:17:25 | * | freqmod thinks should to go and get one himself |
| 16:17:34 | * | freqmod thinks linuxstb... |
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| 16:29:38 | chimpfrenzy | anyone awake? |
| 16:29:41 | MadBigSausage | Hey folks, what's new? |
| 16:30:01 | Genre9mp3 | MadBigSausage: Hello there |
| 16:30:24 | MadBigSausage | hey |
| 16:30:40 | Genre9mp3 | I saw you post about rockbox for ifp |
| 16:30:58 | MadBigSausage | AH, the lounge issue |
| 16:31:04 | Genre9mp3 | yup |
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| 16:31:22 | Genre9mp3 | Don't think that you should expect it soon, though |
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| 16:31:40 | MadBigSausage | still I think it's warrented |
| 16:32:12 | MadBigSausage | (plus it's a huge boot to my post count!! =0p ) |
| 16:32:44 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 16:33:33 | chimpfrenzy | i want to write something to load the root.m3u playlist and play through it randomly when the user holds down the record buttn |
| 16:33:34 | sadeness_ | Á ÐÒÉÞÅÍ ÔÕÔ ÖÅÎÓËÁÑ ÌÏÇÉËÁ? |
| 16:33:57 | Genre9mp3 | sadeness_: ??? |
| 16:34:15 | chimpfrenzy | i guess i can't do this as a plugin? |
| 16:34:47 | MadBigSausage | nope |
| 16:34:53 | sadeness_ | ooops! sorry, wrong script! |
| 16:35:10 | * | sadeness_ fixing it |
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| 16:37:18 | smably | Genre9mp3: have you had a chance to try the latest remote patch? |
| 16:37:43 | chimpfrenzy | anyone know how i can grab the REC-hold event and do something on it? |
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| 16:38:10 | smably | chimpfrenzy: which screen is this on? |
| 16:38:57 | Genre9mp3 | smably: didn't have time, I'll check it in a moment though...thanx for the heads up |
| 16:39:13 | smably | np |
| 16:41:44 | Genre9mp3 | smably: You want me to check 4.0 or 4.1? |
| 16:42:01 | smably | 4.1 |
| 16:42:21 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 16:42:23 | smably | i'd like to know whether the non-lcd remote shutdown works |
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| 16:43:17 | deea | if i upload a theme who decides whether it goes on the website? |
| 16:44:28 | smably | chimpfrenzy: assuming you want to capture the button from the WPS, you'll want to add a #define for (BUTTON_REC | BUTTON_REPEAT) in apps/gui/gwps.h and then add a case to the button switch in gwps.c |
| 16:45:21 | * | smably has to run |
| 16:45:24 | smably | back in half an hour |
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| 16:59:44 | Genre9mp3 | smably: It works fine |
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| 17:01:01 | Genre9mp3 | I can turn off the player by holding play wherever I am (WPS,browser, menu) |
| 17:01:33 | Genre9mp3 | Also scroll up/down works fine with ffwd/rewind buttons of the non-LCD |
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| 17:15:28 | smably_ | Genre9mp3: thanks for testing! |
| 17:16:28 | smably_ | any thoughts on button mapping for the non-lcd remote? |
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| 17:21:43 | Genre9mp3 | smably: I think that the mapping is good as it is right now...just 2 suggestions I have to make |
| 17:22:25 | Genre9mp3 | 1. make vol +/- adjust the volume also when in menu & browser (not only if in WPS) |
| 17:23:20 | Genre9mp3 | 2. pessing play while in browser returns in WPS, this doesn't happen when in menu, make it also go to WPS from a menu |
| 17:23:25 | Genre9mp3 | pressing |
| 17:24:53 | Genre9mp3 | Another approach also would be to make vol +/- go to subdirectories though when in browser |
| 17:25:26 | Genre9mp3 | and when in menu go to a sybmenu |
| 17:25:31 | Genre9mp3 | submenu |
| 17:26:10 | amiconn | menu->wps is implemented nowhere else, and this is for areason |
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| 17:26:44 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: what's that reason? |
| 17:27:25 | amiconn | WPS and the browser are screens. The menu is a menu that's called from a screen. You always return to where you called it from |
| 17:29:27 | Genre9mp3 | smably: Well, then you should make play advance in a submenu |
| 17:29:32 | Genre9mp3 | when in menu |
| 17:29:46 | Genre9mp3 | (just checked CVS...it does that) |
| 17:29:56 | smably_ | sorry, what do you mean by "advance"? |
| 17:30:12 | smably_ | you mean select the menu entry? |
| 17:30:20 | Genre9mp3 | yes |
| 17:30:28 | smably_ | ok |
| 17:31:25 | Genre9mp3 | vol +/- go into subdirectories when in browser idea maybe is a bit confusing though |
| 17:31:42 | smably_ | hmm...do you think << and >> should act as up/down, or should volume +/- be used for that? |
| 17:31:44 | Genre9mp3 | IMO better make it adjust volume wherever you are |
| 17:31:49 | smably_ | oh, ok |
| 17:31:51 | Febs | There is a patch available that makes play call the WPS from just about anywhere in Rockbox, including from within menus. |
| 17:32:19 | Febs | I've seen a lot of support for committing it to CVS, but it needs to be tested first on Archos platforms. |
| 17:33:06 | smably_ | Febs: i don't think i'd like that |
| 17:33:33 | Febs | Why? The play button is current not used in the menus. |
| 17:33:54 | Febs | It makes navigation MUCH faster without sacrificing anything. |
| 17:33:55 | amiconn | It breaks the clear concept |
| 17:34:10 | Febs | "clear concept"? |
| 17:34:12 | smably_ | yeah, it just doesn't make sense |
| 17:34:20 | pixelma | on Ondios play==select IIUC how should that work then? |
| 17:34:45 | smably_ | well, play would really be closing the menu, not opening the wps |
| 17:35:08 | Genre9mp3 | Febs: Pressing play with a non-LCD remote on H300, goes to the menu entry, though it doesn't in the main unit, that's true |
| 17:35:15 | Febs | smably: it makes perfect sense, because play would have a consistent function in both menus and the file browser. |
| 17:35:17 | amiconn | I would prefer another addition though. On platforms where there are 2 ways to go up from submenus (mostly Menu and Left), Menu should perhaps leave the whole menu immediately instead of just going one level up |
| 17:35:20 | Mikachu | i think the same button that opens the menu should also completely close it |
| 17:35:24 | Mikachu | and return to where you firs called it |
| 17:35:24 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the feature I would like - a "quick exit" from menus. But I wouldn't use PLAY for it, I would use the same button used to enter the menu. |
| 17:35:32 | Mikachu | youc an always use left to go back just one step |
| 17:35:33 | amiconn | haha |
| 17:35:39 | amiconn | I see some consensus |
| 17:35:39 | Febs | Mikachu: the patch that I mentioned does that as well. |
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| 17:36:52 | * | Genre9mp3 is already confused with the button discussion |
| 17:37:44 | smably_ | Febs: it doesn't make sense to me because of the hierarchy: you open the WPS from the filebrowser, and the menu from the WPS |
| 17:38:02 | Mikachu | smably_: you open the wps from the filebrowser as much as you open the filebrowser from the wps |
| 17:38:10 | Mikachu | they're on the same level |
| 17:38:16 | amiconn | nope |
| 17:38:27 | smably_ | except you don't open the filebrowser from the wps; you *hide* the wps to display the filebrowser |
| 17:38:40 | Febs | smably: no. |
| 17:38:44 | amiconn | The filebrowser is always available. The wps is not. |
| 17:38:48 | Febs | The file browser is Rockbox's main screen. |
| 17:39:02 | amiconn | YOu go to the wps from the file browser by playing something (either new or resumed) |
| 17:39:18 | amiconn | Stopping playback brings you back to the file browser |
| 17:39:34 | Mikachu | you can go back to the filebrowser without affecting playback state at all |
| 17:39:43 | amiconn | Yes, you can |
| 17:39:56 | amiconn | Still, the browser is the root |
| 17:40:14 | smably_ | Febs: i'm not sure exactly what you're saying...but i'll use an analogy to explain how i see it |
| 17:40:29 | smably_ | the filebrowser is like the desktop, and the WPS is like a window |
| 17:40:56 | Mikachu | i see them as two different desktops, and the menu is a window on the desktop you're looking at |
| 17:40:56 | smably_ | you can minimize the window to get the desktop, but you can't open the desktop on top of the window |
| 17:41:13 | * | daurnimator kicks Mikachu |
| 17:41:18 | daurnimator | YAY |
| 17:41:19 | daurnimator | FUN |
| 17:41:21 | Mikachu | no effect |
| 17:41:42 | daurnimator | its like my very own Kick The Cheat |
| 17:41:42 | * | Mikachu throws his d20 at daurnimator |
| 17:42:50 | Febs | smably: good analogy, but I am not following why you would find the Play button patch confusing. |
| 17:43:16 | Febs | Imagine for a moment the "Play" button were labeled "WPS." |
| 17:43:39 | Mikachu | that is a bit of a stretch |
| 17:43:39 | Febs | Wouldn't you want that button to bring up the WPS if you're within the menu system? |
| 17:44:25 | Febs | Mikachu: I don't think that it is a stretch at all, because that is EXACTLY what the Play button is within the file browser. (with the possible exception of some Archos platforms that I am unfamiliar with.) |
| 17:44:37 | smably_ | to me the problem is just that the menu opens on top of the wps, and pressing play to close the menu seems counterintuitive |
| 17:46:03 | Febs | In that case, you could simply get to the menu by backing up from the menus and entering it from the file browser the way it's set up currently. That functionality would not change. |
| 17:46:23 | Mikachu | i think setting the menu enter button to remove to where you were is better |
| 17:46:41 | Mikachu | if that happens to be the wps you are where you want to be, otherwise you just have to press play after returning from the menu |
| 17:46:49 | Febs | The only change is that a currently unused button gets a use that (1) saves many button presses, and (2) makes that button consistent with the way it functions in the browser. |
| 17:47:24 | Febs | Mikachu: this patch allows you to do exactly that with the Menu button (ipod)/A-B button (iriver) |
| 17:47:48 | Febs | Still, that requires two button presses to get to WPS from within the menus when it can be done with one. |
| 17:48:11 | smably_ | it's really not as big a deal as i'm making it out to be, but my point is that using play to do two opposite things would be inconsistent |
| 17:48:12 | Febs | (if you entered the menus from the browser rather than the WPS) |
| 17:48:57 | Febs | smably_, I see your point, but I have answered enough questions in the various forums to know that the typical doesn't see it that way. |
| 17:49:00 | sadeness_ | what is WPS? :-D |
| 17:49:44 | smably_ | Febs: in the grand scheme of things, you're probably right :) |
| 17:50:23 | smably_ | i'd prefer to use a different button to close the menu, but if this is easier for users to understand, it may indeed be better |
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| 18:32:44 | MadBigSausage | buy for now folks |
| 18:32:52 | MadBigSausage | =0p *bye |
| 18:33:04 | saa[b_r]ider | bye bye MBS |
| 18:33:58 | * | MadBigSausage waves |
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| 18:36:32 | preglow | Bagder: nothing new about sdks yet? |
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| 18:52:12 | cmoeller | Is there a firmware patcher available for Linux, or just Win? |
| 18:53:24 | preglow | there's no single app for linux that i know of, no |
| 18:53:44 | preglow | but the patcher tools exist for linux as well, they're just not gui based |
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| 19:01:53 | cmoeller | pre: thanks! |
| 19:03:18 | leth | is there anyone here working on the ifp port? |
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| 19:03:54 | `Acksaw | can someone help me with the audioscrobbler patch? |
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| 19:06:22 | saa[b_r]ider | what is audioscobbler anyway? |
| 19:07:04 | saa[b_r]ider | ^scRobbler |
| 19:07:14 | Genre9mp3 | saa[b_r]ider: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767&highlight=audioscrobbler |
| 19:08:01 | saa[b_r]ider | thanks Genre9mp3 |
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| 19:12:31 | `Acksaw | anyone ahve a guide for installing rockbox on a ipod? |
| 19:12:36 | `Acksaw | my friend isnt to technically inclined |
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| 19:13:48 | Genre9mp3 | `Acksaw: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
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| 19:14:58 | `Acksaw | #AUDIOSCROBBLER/1.0 |
| 19:14:58 | `Acksaw | #TZ/UNKNOWN |
| 19:14:58 | `Acksaw | #CLIENT/Rockbox h300 1.0 |
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| 19:14:58 | `Acksaw | Elle Milano Swearing's for Art StudentsEP Men Are Bastards 2 162 S 1075149740 |
| 19:14:58 | `Acksaw | whoops |
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| 19:14:59 | `Acksaw | sorry |
| 19:16:52 | saa[b_r]ider | btw, are the crossfade WPS tags in CVS now? |
| 19:16:54 | obo | hehe - looks like it's working okay |
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| 19:18:16 | * | petur wants to let preglow know how he feels after too many Leffe :p |
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| 19:24:54 | preglow | hahaha |
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| 19:25:23 | petur | sorry, I know it's a mean thing to say ;) |
| 19:25:24 | preglow | i've got a limfjordsporter ready in case i need it |
| 19:25:30 | preglow | and a weiss |
| 19:25:38 | preglow | so i'll be fine |
| 19:25:46 | petur | good for you |
| 19:25:56 | preglow | oh, indeed |
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| 19:26:55 | * | preglow runs off to assure the beer is still there |
| 19:27:19 | * | sadeness_ just runs off |
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| 19:40:43 | * | petur summons a wiki admin to remove a spammer (LoKi) |
| 19:41:29 | petur | BigBen doesn't look very normal either |
| 19:41:42 | * | pixelma thinks that BigBen, OheRe and MainPage should also be remoed |
| 19:41:56 | pixelma | *removed |
| 19:42:37 | Mikachu | is there really a point in allowing attachments on user pages? |
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| 19:43:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Possibly |
| 19:43:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really though |
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| 20:20:12 | preglow | god, those charaters really make my irssi explode |
| 20:20:16 | preglow | characters too |
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| 20:21:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Characters? |
| 20:22:31 | preglow | in sadeness' quite message |
| 20:25:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 20:25:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | My client sucks, and so merely shows ?s for each of them. |
| 20:25:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Except the comma and the three periods. |
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| 20:32:55 | preglow | periods??? |
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| 20:33:11 | preglow | i wonder what they are, irssi handles unicode just fine, but not those |
| 20:33:58 | ender` | that looks like one of the russian encodings |
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| 20:35:14 | Mekrob | hey does anyone know if this cable will allow me to watch movies that are on my pc on my tv |
| 20:35:17 | Mekrob | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9721713830&category=61395 |
| 20:35:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I see a long word, a short word, a comma, three medium words, and a ... |
| 20:35:39 | ender` | Mekrob: depends on your gfx card |
| 20:35:53 | Mekrob | hmm |
| 20:36:02 | Mekrob | i have a pretty standard dell |
| 20:36:24 | Mekrob | dimension 3000 |
| 20:36:30 | Mekrob | do you think ill be able too |
| 20:37:07 | Mikachu | i would start by looking at the back of your computer for connectors |
| 20:37:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mekrob: Why not just ask dell if there's a cable to use with it, or look to see if your videocard has any non-VGA video outputs and use that to determine what sort of cables to get. |
| 20:37:35 | Mikachu | and i would get the cable in a proper store, they aren't expensive |
| 20:37:36 | ender` | "возвращаютÑ?Ñ Ð²Ñ?е, кроме лÑ?чÑ?их дрÑ?зей..." |
| 20:37:49 | Mikachu | is that so? |
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| 20:37:56 | ender` | Mekrob: most laptops have S-Video output |
| 20:37:58 | Mekrob | it goes itto the 3.5 mm outlet |
| 20:38:08 | Mekrob | i have a desktop |
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| 20:38:21 | Mekrob | have you guys looked at the link |
| 20:38:36 | ender` | Mekrob: i have |
| 20:38:43 | Mekrob | ok |
| 20:38:51 | Mekrob | well they were asking about outlets |
| 20:38:58 | ender` | it looks like a standard S-Video -> Composite cable and a 3,5mm->2xRCA |
| 20:39:06 | Mekrob | and if you looked at the link it said it uses a 3.5 mm outlet |
| 20:39:26 | Mekrob | so how would i know if my pc supports it |
| 20:39:56 | Mikachu | preglow: the string was in koi8, возвращаютÑÑ Ð²Ñе, кроме лучших друзей... |
| 20:40:05 | preglow | right |
| 20:40:06 | preglow | i see that |
| 20:40:11 | preglow | so it was invalid utf8, then? |
| 20:40:16 | Mikachu | no, it was koi8 |
| 20:40:18 | preglow | 'cuz i just get a bunch of question marks |
| 20:40:24 | preglow | yes, but are they invalid utf8? |
| 20:40:26 | ender` | for the video part, check the back of your computer, where the monitor cable is connected. if there's a socket that looks like this: (o) you have composite out, and that cable is useless. if it looks similar to PS/2 keyboard connector, it's S-Video, and that cable might be useful |
| 20:40:30 | Mikachu | koi8 is not utf8 at all |
| 20:40:32 | preglow | i know |
| 20:40:37 | preglow | but interpreted as utf8, are they invalid? |
| 20:40:39 | Mikachu | ah |
| 20:40:40 | Mikachu | let me check |
| 20:40:53 | Mikachu | >> :sadeness_!n=LamersIn@83.239.145.53 QUIT :"iconv: illegal input sequence at position 46 |
| 20:40:59 | preglow | yeah |
| 20:41:02 | Mikachu | hm |
| 20:41:06 | ender` | none of the 8bit encodings are valid utf8 |
| 20:41:07 | preglow | that explains why irssi vomits so badly |
| 20:41:12 | preglow | ender`: sure they are |
| 20:41:13 | Mikachu | yeah |
| 20:41:19 | Mikachu | if you're lucky |
| 20:41:30 | Mikachu | for example, the string "Bush hid the facts" is valid utf16 |
| 20:41:33 | preglow | the bottom 127 character are always valid |
| 20:41:40 | preglow | but combinations with 128->255 might be invalid |
| 20:41:54 | Mikachu | % echo -n Bush hid the facts|iconv -f UTF-16 -t UTF-8 |
| 20:41:54 | Mikachu | 畂桳æ æ‘©ç æ•¨æ˜ æ¡ç´ |
| 20:41:59 | ender` | s/might be/are probably/ |
| 20:42:00 | Mikachu | anything can happen |
| 20:42:07 | idnar | irssi here tried to decode it as utf-8, fell back to iso-8859-1, and produced: ×ÃÚ×ÒÃÃÃÀÔÓÑ ×ÓÅ, ËÒÃÃÃ… ÌÕÞÛÉÈ ÄÒÕÚÅÊ... |
| 20:42:09 | Mekrob | i have no idea what you mean ender |
| 20:42:35 | ender` | Mekrob: does your computer have TV-out? |
| 20:42:45 | Mekrob | im not sure |
| 20:42:52 | Mekrob | how would i know |
| 20:42:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mekrob: Look at the back of it, or check the manual |
| 20:43:14 | ender` | you'd have a video out socket in the back |
| 20:43:30 | ender` | wait, i'll take a picture |
| 20:43:36 | Mekrob | can you send me a link to a picture of what this kind of outlet would look like |
| 20:43:39 | Mekrob | k |
| 20:43:42 | Mekrob | great |
| 20:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mekrob: This is really not the right place for all these questions anyway. Why not just check the manual that came with your Dell, or ask Dell? |
| 20:44:09 | Mikachu | Mekrob: it would look like something the cable you linked to would fit in |
| 20:44:15 | Mikachu | this is a game 3-year-olds usually play :P |
| 20:44:49 | Mekrob | because i know people here |
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| 20:45:01 | Mekrob | and i know they know aa lotabout computers |
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| 20:48:08 | Mekrob | ender |
| 20:48:12 | Mekrob | you get a pic yet |
| 20:48:24 | ender` | just a moment, i'll upload it in a minute |
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| 20:49:00 | Mekrob | ok thank you |
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| 20:49:20 | ender` | http://deeperthought.ena.si/Image1.jpg |
| 20:49:43 | ender` | that's the way TV-out looks on most modern graphic cards |
| 20:50:22 | Mekrob | ok so like a mini din? |
| 20:51:19 | ender` | yes |
| 20:52:07 | Mikachu | it could also be a yellow phonocontact, called composite video |
| 20:52:14 | ender` | yes |
| 20:52:38 | Mekrob | ok ill have to look once im back at my house |
| 20:52:59 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Silence from PortalPlayer I assume? |
| 20:53:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Absolute silence, yes. |
| 20:53:35 | linuxstb | So not an instant no.... |
| 20:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I know, I don't know whether to be hopeful that maybe they're talking about it or considering it, or worried that they just threw it out and didn't even feel we deserved a refusal. |
| 20:54:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | My irrational optimists and pessimists are battling it out. |
| 20:54:28 | ender` | but if it's composite, and your TV is bigger than 50cm, get a new gfx card |
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| 20:58:01 | Rondom | hello |
| 20:58:09 | Mekrob | i think mine is |
| 20:58:11 | Rondom | I've my ifp-899 open |
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| 20:58:58 | Rondom | I've just seen, that someone already posted pics of his ifp-795, do you know if images of an ifp-8xx are needed? |
| 20:59:13 | Rondom | The hardware looks and should be identical |
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| 21:00:39 | Genre9mp3 | Rondom: Since you have already opened the player I suppose that you can take some scans just in case |
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| 21:02:16 | Rondom | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfp7XXHardwareComponents contains all the information being available |
| 21:02:36 | Rondom | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfp7XXSpecs contains some older information |
| 21:02:58 | Rondom | do you think additional pictures are neccessary? |
| 21:03:52 | petur | Rondom: compare it and add if different? |
| 21:04:06 | * | petur runs off again |
| 21:05:03 | Rondom | petur: it's the same I think |
| 21:05:10 | Rondom | I don't see any difference |
| 21:05:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe it was determined that the 800 and 700 series were identical internally |
| 21:05:26 | Rondom | and the ifp-8xx and ifp-7xx are said to be identical |
| 21:05:38 | Rondom | Paul_The_Nerd: ack! |
| 21:05:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall they can even use the same firmware from iRiver. |
| 21:06:20 | Rondom | Paul_The_Nerd: no, but it's nearly identical |
| 21:06:46 | Rondom | patches for ifp-8xx can be simply adapted for ifp-7xx and vice-versa |
| 21:07:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 21:08:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought I remember people using the modified UMS firmware from the 700s on the 800s, I guess I was wrong |
| 21:09:39 | Rondom | Paul_The_Nerd: you mean those with a lower ogg bitrate limit. There are two versions, one for ifp-7xx and on for ifp-8xx |
| 21:10:34 | Rondom | on=one |
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| 21:15:20 | Rondom | maybe I'll look for close-ups of the unidentified ics, but I doubt, they are really needed |
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| 21:15:57 | Rondom | I already opened it, because I thought there were no pictures. I once told Tomek that I would do so |
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| 21:21:58 | obo | apart from musepack, are there any other filetypes in rockbox which don't (currently or by design) support seeking? |
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| 21:22:52 | smably_ | obo: bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs |
| 21:23:22 | obo | ah, thanks |
| 21:23:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | obo: FLAC *kinda* doesn't. Only if your files have seektables. |
| 21:24:16 | obo | anyone know what effect audio_ff_rewind will have on one if it doesn't? |
| 21:27:08 | smably_ | iirc, you get dropped back at the beginning of the track |
| 21:27:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think they fixed it to leave you where you started fast forwarding from |
| 21:27:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'm not 100% sure |
| 21:27:34 | smably_ | oh, ok (haven't tried it recently) |
| 21:27:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Neither have I. Mine all have seektables. Heh |
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| 21:28:36 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:29:04 | obo | fair enough - thanks for you help :) |
| 21:30:39 | smably_ | just tried it with a musepack track and it went back to where i started seeking |
| 21:32:10 | obo | thanks - that'll do nicely |
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| 21:49:34 | XavierGr | who is MainPage in twiki? |
| 21:49:38 | XavierGr | seems like a spam |
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| 21:50:11 | XavierGr | it has the same mail as Ohre |
| 21:50:19 | XavierGr | OheRe |
| 21:52:21 | Mikachu | OheReally? :) |
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| 21:53:05 | * | petur kicks bagder |
| 21:53:47 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 21:53:51 | petur | I already reported the wiki spammers this afternoon :/ |
| 21:54:08 | XavierGr | are these spammers bot? |
| 21:54:15 | XavierGr | bots |
| 21:54:29 | petur | I hope so for them |
| 21:54:47 | XavierGr | because I can't see how a human is so lost to do that over and over again |
| 21:56:09 | preglow | haha |
| 21:56:27 | preglow | people will always surprise you when it comes to acting like idiots |
| 21:56:58 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 21:58:03 | amiconn | Suggesting a scripting engine that needs resources in the same range as the rockbox core itself... .... .... |
| 21:58:16 | preglow | yes, read my previous sentence |
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| 22:02:07 | petur | I guess only bagder, zagor and linus are the only wiki admins :/ |
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| 22:17:12 | Mekrob | guys what is firewire |
| 22:17:16 | Mekrob | i dont get it |
| 22:17:33 | dionoea | it's usb but not really usb |
| 22:18:06 | Mekrob | can anyone explain it more in depth |
| 22:18:18 | dionoea | wikipedia might :) |
| 22:18:22 | midkay | a connection type, like usb, sort of.. |
| 22:18:59 | Mekrob | why would i want it over usb |
| 22:19:16 | midkay | i think it's supposed to be a bit faster.. |
| 22:19:35 | Mekrob | but what can i connect firewire to |
| 22:19:39 | dionoea | it was faster than usb 1 |
| 22:19:41 | midkay | less common, though.. popular on digital camcorders. it's not like it's better or worse, it's just "another" connection type. |
| 22:19:41 | Mekrob | and what would i use it for |
| 22:19:46 | dionoea | and usb 2 is a bit faster than firewire |
| 22:19:56 | midkay | you sure? *checks* |
| 22:20:02 | dionoea | basically usb won and firewire lost |
| 22:20:09 | dionoea | like blue ray and hd dvd |
| 22:20:39 | midkay | FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s data rates (actually 98.304, 196.608, or 393.216 Mbit/s, but commonly referred to as S100, S200, and S400). Although USB2 claims to be capable of higher speeds (480Mbit/s), FireWire is, in practice, faster due to its "peer-to-peer" architecture which gives a more reliable and sustained throughput rate. |
| 22:21:01 | dionoea | ok :) |
| 22:21:08 | Mikachu | can you have a firewire hub? |
| 22:21:19 | midkay | yeah? |
| 22:21:19 | dionoea | i doubt it |
| 22:21:20 | midkay | :) |
| 22:21:36 | midkay | i've seen them before.. *googles* |
| 22:21:43 | * | dionoea :( |
| 22:21:55 | midkay | yeah. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=103211 |
| 22:22:29 | midkay | back in a few. |
| 22:22:34 | Mekrob | hmm |
| 22:22:39 | Mekrob | so usb 2 is better |
| 22:22:56 | midkay | technically, but firewire tends to be a bit faster.. |
| 22:22:58 | midkay | read what i pasted. :) |
| 22:23:04 | midkay | usb2 is certainly more popular. |
| 22:23:14 | midkay | often firewire is the only option though, for camcorders for example. |
| 22:24:40 | Mekrob | so its only really useful for camcorders |
| 22:24:44 | Mekrob | im not getting it |
| 22:24:53 | Mekrob | usb 2.0 is standard now |
| 22:25:07 | Mekrob | why would i pay all this extra cash for firewire |
| 22:25:09 | dionoea | and once upon a time it wasn't and both wanted to become standard |
| 22:25:19 | Mekrob | if their about the same |
| 22:27:19 | amiconn | Mikachu: Firewire has no hubs, because firewire has a different bus structure than usb |
| 22:27:55 | Mekrob | http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=103211 |
| 22:28:05 | Mekrob | then whats that? |
| 22:28:32 | XavierGr | damn harriet died |
| 22:29:16 | amiconn | Mekrob: Hmm, I never actually used firewire. So there are hubs, but they are hubs in a different sense than with USB |
| 22:29:25 | XavierGr | I just read an article about the longest leaving creature on earth (currently) and 1 week later it dies! |
| 22:29:30 | dionoea | like a switch and a router i guess |
| 22:29:41 | XavierGr | ^living |
| 22:29:43 | smably_ | XavierGr: yeah, me too :/ |
| 22:29:47 | dionoea | XavierGr: the tortoise ? |
| 22:29:49 | XavierGr | yes |
| 22:29:59 | amiconn | USB is strictly hierarchical. On top there's the host controller, then a root hub. Each USB hub has a dedicated uplink and one ore more downstream ports |
| 22:30:14 | amiconn | With firewire, all devices are peers |
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| 22:32:02 | Mikachu | that's what i suspected |
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| 22:43:21 | * | freqmod speex status: Seeking implemented (to nearest page ~5sec error) |
| 22:44:10 | linuxstb_ | What file extension is normally used for speex? |
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| 22:44:43 | preglow | .spx |
| 22:44:50 | preglow | and .ogg |
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| 22:46:43 | petur | the main difference between usb and firewire is that on firewire, bandwidth is allocated and thus guaranteed. |
| 22:47:20 | petur | that's why it's popular for video: once the connection is made, no stuttering |
| 22:48:51 | freqmod | my speex patch for rockbox only identifies .spx files as speex files. |
| 22:49:21 | preglow | .spx files are pretty likely to be raw speex streams |
| 22:49:23 | preglow | does it handle that? |
| 22:49:38 | freqmod | no, only ogg speex streams. |
| 22:50:00 | preglow | mokey |
| 22:50:15 | linuxstb_ | freqmod: The ".m4a" part of get_metadata() decides if the file is ALAC or AAC, and sets the codec type appropriately. The Ogg part could do the same. |
| 22:51:06 | freqmod | yes, speex uses Speex instead of vorbis as the start of the setup packet |
| 22:51:56 | amiconn | petur: Afaik, it's possible to do the same with usb's isochronous transfers |
| 22:52:32 | petur | no |
| 22:53:02 | amiconn | no? |
| 22:53:03 | preglow | freqmod: ooh, didn't notice you're norwegian |
| 22:53:23 | preglow | any other norwegian coders around here i've forgotten aboDut? |
| 22:53:51 | petur | amiconn: it has priorities but if you put two bandwidth hungry devices on the bus they will share what's available. With firewire, the second connect will fail because of insufficient (remaining) bandwidth |
| 22:54:28 | * | preglow beats his keyboard |
| 22:54:45 | * | petur has worked on a project that used high-end firewire camera's and took some time to figure out why two biggies on one controller would not work |
| 22:54:52 | amiconn | Hmm, iirc I've read somewhere that usb would also reject the connection if there's not enough remaining bandwidth |
| 22:55:15 | amiconn | Maybe I don't rc |
| 22:55:18 | Mikachu | maybe that's for current? |
| 22:55:31 | petur | possible, but there's now way for a device to tell how much it needs |
| 22:56:15 | petur | both will try and some transfers will fail. and in iso mode the data is just lost |
| 22:56:21 | petur | like udp |
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| 22:57:26 | petur | has anybody followed this strange bugreport: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.330 and the even more strange bugfix: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5589 ? |
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| 22:58:06 | petur | I'm unable to reproduce (on h340) and the bugfix looks silly |
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| 22:58:45 | petur | looks more like it needed some sleep() |
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| 23:00:20 | freqmod | Ok, Ogg/Speex files with extention .spx&.ogg is recognized |
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| 23:08:06 | petur | how do you force rockbox to check the free diskspace again? |
| 23:08:47 | amiconn | Info->Rockbox Info, then Play |
| 23:09:25 | petur | 10x |
| 23:12:09 | petur | rockbox and my pc differ in opinion. pc says 10GB free, rockbox says 2,xxGB :( |
| 23:13:10 | Zweiundvierzig | Heh |
| 23:13:16 | preglow | what os? |
| 23:13:28 | petur | w2k |
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| 23:13:45 | preglow | i've noticed that windows tends to have some quite dubious meanings on free space from time to time |
| 23:14:02 | preglow | luckily i don't use it anymore |
| 23:14:05 | petur | chkdsk agrees about the 10GB |
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| 23:14:28 | petur | problem is, I have a long gig to record, must be sure about free space :( |
| 23:17:15 | petur | hmmm.. better reformat it :/ |
| 23:20:11 | preglow | doesn't rockbox have some tool for that? |
| 23:20:18 | preglow | like counting free clusters |
| 23:20:22 | preglow | i remember it could do that |
| 23:21:10 | dionoea | fonts (in rockbox) are stored as bitmaps for each character right ? |
| 23:21:13 | preglow | yea |
| 23:22:05 | dionoea | where should the code for a function which putsxyofs in an offscreen buffer be put ? would font.c be ok ? |
| 23:22:17 | dionoea | (it isn't really lcd driver specific) |
| 23:23:35 | preglow | what are you going to use it for? |
| 23:23:57 | dionoea | hum ... right ... might be better to just put it in the plugin which needs it :) |
| 23:24:14 | dionoea | (it's to add text writing in rockpaint) |
| 23:25:17 | dionoea | but that would mean that i wouldn't have access to all the font.c functions ... |
| 23:26:16 | dionoea | so i'll put it in the firmware (it shouldn't be tool long anyway) |
| 23:28:02 | linuxstb_ | You can export the font.c functions via the plugin api if you need them. |
| 23:29:13 | dionoea | hum ... right. I'll do that then |
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| 23:32:43 | dionoea | do you already have a font selection widget with previews of the font ? |
| 23:33:52 | amiconn | No, and it can't be done with the current core |
| 23:34:05 | amiconn | Meh, it can, but I don't see the point |
| 23:34:15 | amiconn | (for core use) |
| 23:34:19 | dionoea | why ? can't you just write the different strings and change fonts in between ? |
| 23:34:27 | dionoea | (this isn't for core use, i was just asking) |
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| 23:34:43 | amiconn | Yes it's possible, but then you must not use scrolling text |
| 23:34:56 | dionoea | seems logical :) |
| 23:41:38 | smorar | hi everyone. can someone help me - Rockbox hangs randomly during playback on my 4G Ipod. Is there a reference somewhere about turning on debugging, or logging function calls so that I can start debugging this problem? I can enable a developer build, and turn on logf support (debugging fails to build), but nothing seems to happen when I use the resulting binary on my ipod |
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| 23:44:56 | earHertz | smorar: hangs as in freezes, or hands as in music momentarily stops playng? |
| 23:46:28 | smorar | hello |
| 23:47:55 | smorar | hmm... this is wierd... i'm not seeing any feedback in my client - refreshing the current.txt on the rockbox.org site... |
| 23:48:01 | smorar | brb - changing client |
| 23:48:14 | smorar | earHertz: yes - hangs as in freezes |
| 23:48:16 | smorar | brb |
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| 23:49:24 | smorar | test |
| 23:49:29 | smorar | yay, this works :) |
| 23:50:50 | earHertz | soa:cnyusehs? |
| 23:53:24 | smorar | earHertz: any idea on the best way that I can figure out where/why this freeze happens? (function call logging to a text file would be nice...) |
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| 23:54:03 | tucoz | petur, around? |
| 23:54:04 | Bagder | http://images.europe.creative.com/iss/images/artwork/A5_RGB/hires_zenv_2395.jpg |
| 23:54:16 | Bagder | creative zen v plus |
| 23:54:30 | petur | tucoz: a bit yes |
| 23:54:33 | Bagder | looks very similar to the sansa e200 series |
| 23:54:35 | tucoz | in that case, you can press play in the 'rockbox info' screen to have rockbox scan the disk |
| 23:54:42 | midkay | Bagder, cool.. brand new? |
| 23:54:47 | Bagder | seems so |
| 23:54:50 | Mikachu | and um, to the ipod |
| 23:54:50 | earHertz | smorar: use logf for that (profiling doesn't work on the ipod; if you really want to profile, I can give you the functions you need, but interpretting teh output just doesn't work) |
| 23:54:51 | petur | ah, inside that screen.... |
| 23:54:55 | tucoz | I think that will update the disk free info as well |
| 23:55:04 | midkay | looks rather nice, actually.. |
| 23:55:16 | smorar | earHertz: where does logf put it's output? |
| 23:55:40 | earHertz | smorar: in mmeory |
| 23:55:52 | earHertz | if you then use the logfdump function, it'sll write it to disk |
| 23:55:55 | Bagder | midkay: here's the UK main page: http://uk.europe.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=15306 |
| 23:56:04 | Bagder | "Available in Europe from August 2006" |
| 23:56:05 | petur | tucoz: thanks a lot, that's what I was looking for |
| 23:56:07 | earHertz | there's a bug in logfdump, lines are trincated to 25 chars |
| 23:56:26 | tucoz | great :) |
| 23:56:54 | midkay | Bagder, ah. nice-looking player, but doesn't seem to do anything special.. |
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| 23:57:03 | smorar | earHertz: ok, is there a decent place in the code for me to insert the logfdump function? playback loop or something? |
| 23:57:06 | Bagder | nah, seems quite ordinary |
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| 23:57:21 | earHertz | smorar: you insert logf |
| 23:57:33 | earHertz | logfdump is a user action |
| 23:57:49 | earHertz | and teh include logf.h |
| 23:57:49 | amiconn | earHertz: There is no bug in logf. It's just that there is a fixed maximum line length |
| 23:57:58 | earHertz | and then logf as you wish' |
| 23:58:23 | earHertz | amiconn: well, call it what you will, it's a pain in the ass |
| 23:58:51 | earHertz | I end up with these cryptic little mesages, likem "g1: 34434,34334,76676,45645 |
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