#rockbox 2006-06-25

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#rockbox log for 2006-06-25

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00:43:03	ghandie	hey. any progress on rockbox for 3G iPods?
00:43:34	earHertz	dunno, check the docs
00:43:37	Bagder	not a lot, no
00:43:40	petur	no dev with a 3G -> no progress
00:44:50	ghandie	i check the website every day in hope:(
00:45:14	earHertz	oh, yeah, until a develeoper has one, you'll se no progress
00:46:01	ghandie	i'll have to get one off ebay and donate it wont i
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00:46:22	earHertz	ghandie: or get yourself a video ipod
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00:47:26	ghandie	nah theyre too fancy for me, im oldskool:p
00:48:29	earHertz	then yeah, get a 3g to a dev, or start deving yourself.
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01:08:13	ido_	hrm
01:08:34	ido_	my ipod gets hot when playing songs with rockbox
01:08:40	ido_	original firmware doesnt get this hot
01:09:20	earHertz	we run teh cpu faster
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01:40:39	ido_	oh
01:40:55	ido_	is that the reason it also reboots itself from time to time when idling ?
01:41:02	ido_	(+charging)
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02:48:22	toxicfume	are there any big/significant upcoming features in rockbox planned for the ipods?
02:48:56	earHertz	toxicfume: no. But I have some patyches you might want
02:49:07	Mikachu	the pause on headphone unplug is immensely useful imo
02:49:11	toxicfume	earHertz, what kind of patches?
02:49:23	toxicfume	Mikachu, that sounds like a good one
02:49:38	earHertz	lcd speedup, list scroll speedup, controversial scroll wheel acceleration
02:49:50	Mikachu	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899#comment8673
02:49:50	toxicfume	some chinese company needs to make cheap FM recievers fot the ipods :P
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02:50:49	toxicfume	earHertz, interesting, i wouldn't mind that
02:51:04	earHertz	yeah, well you can have it.
02:51:12	earHertz	just download it
02:51:23	toxicfume	from?
02:51:33	Mikachu	that url is the headphone thing then
02:51:38	earHertz	the patch tracker. This means you have to compile your own build
02:51:48	toxicfume	oh i dont have a compiler
02:51:58	Mikachu	look forward to it in the future then :)
02:52:05	earHertz	eh, wat ipod do you have?
02:52:28	toxicfume	5G, ipod video
02:52:38	earHertz	30 gb or 60?
02:52:43	toxicfume	30gb
02:52:55	earHertz	how much are you willing to pay for a build?
02:53:06	Mikachu	haha
02:53:10	toxicfume	lots of love
02:53:13	earHertz	ew
02:53:24	earHertz	I don't do that cyber stuff
02:53:27	toxicfume	:(
02:53:43	toxicfume	guess i'm outta luck then!
02:53:46	earHertz	You understand about private builds, right?
02:53:55	toxicfume	i guess not
02:54:11	earHertz	you can't complain about buigs in it, because it contains stuff not in teh offical dev build
02:54:23	toxicfume	ofcourse not
02:54:29	toxicfume	just tell me how to apply the patch
02:54:42	Mikachu	there are details in the wiki
02:54:47	toxicfume	and i wont bother you again (hopefully)
02:54:48	earHertz	so if there's a bug, you just gotta remove teh unofficial build and use the official one. you can't complain to the devs, because gthey didn't make that build, see?
02:55:07	earHertz	to apply teh patch you nneed a compiler
02:55:18	toxicfume	Mikachu, i'm using hydrairc why?
02:55:25	Mikachu	just checking your os
02:55:34	toxicfume	earHertz, oh save it then, can't be bothered now :p
02:55:43	Mikachu	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
02:55:53	Mikachu	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
02:56:52	earHertz	toxicfume: with my build, the scroll accel is going to drive you nuts at first
02:57:09	toxicfume	thanks Mikachu
02:57:18	earHertz	toxicfume: here'
02:57:19	Mikachu	i think earHertz might be building you something
02:57:22	earHertz	s the build: http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/allmypatches/rockbox.zip
02:57:43	earHertz	yeah, I just uploadee it for to
02:57:50	earHertz	toxicfume:
02:57:52	toxicfume	earHertz, ah got it, thansk a lot!
02:58:02	earHertz	;)
02:58:08	Mikachu	i have too many patches to compile for anyone else :)
02:58:28	earHertz	yeah, that build's just MY patches
02:58:41	toxicfume	earHertz, so this means I have to go through the process of writing the firmware onto my ipod again right?
02:58:48	Mikachu	no
02:58:52	earHertz	toxicfume: oh, hell no
02:58:59	toxicfume	oh i can just append?
02:59:01	Mikachu	you just unzip it, like when you normally update your build
02:59:04	earHertz	just unzip the zip file to your ipod
02:59:18	toxicfume	I've never updated before
02:59:21	toxicfume	so.. :P
02:59:27	Mikachu	you can never say that again
02:59:38	earHertz	toxicfume: make a save of your config, just in case
02:59:54	toxicfume	earHertz, how to do that?
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03:00:02	Mikachu	manage settings->write .cfg
03:00:03	earHertz	in the menju somewhere
03:00:10	toxicfume	okay thansk
03:00:13	earHertz	I never do it
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03:02:53	toxicfume	Mikachu, I chose the write .cfg option, but which button do I press to actually save it under that filename?
03:03:29	toxicfume	the center button does nothing :s
03:03:52	Mikachu	you have to hold it down a while
03:04:13	toxicfume	ah got it, thanks!
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03:10:34	toxicfume	okay my first update just done yay
03:11:42	toxicfume	earHertz, what's exactly LCD Speedup? isit some setting i can customize?
03:12:08	earHertz	no, no
03:12:17	earHertz	it makes teh lcd updates 6% faster
03:12:34	earHertz	about one frame per second faster
03:12:47	earHertz	There's no cost to it, it's just improved code
03:13:10	toxicfume	ohh nice
03:13:25	toxicfume	however, the scrolling is really really hard to use now, you were right :P
03:15:17	toxicfume	hmm that must be customizable right?
03:15:31	earHertz	sorta
03:15:40	toxicfume	i see something in the system menu
03:15:43	earHertz	meny\|general\|system\|iposd scroll
03:15:50	earHertz	move all three numbers up
03:20:49	toxicfume	can it be disabled?
03:21:08	Mikachu	dissed
03:21:16	earHertz	nope
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03:21:35	earHertz	i'll add that in teh next patych
03:22:14	earHertz	it's annoying as hell?
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05:00:47	hacim	is this item in the faq still true, "No version of Rockbox has been officially released yet for the iriver line of players."?
05:01:26	Mikachu	i think 3.0 would be the first, yes
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05:01:54	hacim	oh, I see, "official release"
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05:02:26	hacim	I heard that the ivriver h110 had the best rockbox support
05:04:04	smably_	hacim: h300 and h100 series are both working quite well
05:06:39	hacim	smably_: is the difference between the h300 and h100 just size of the drive?
05:06:44	earHertz	any europeans here?
05:08:00	smably_	no, h100 and h300 series both come in 20 and 40 gb versions (h100's may also come in smaller capacities; not sure)
05:08:10	smably_	the main difference is that the h300's have a color display
05:08:33	smably_	h100's have more IO options
05:15:11	hacim	and apparantly the h300's can play video
05:16:04	smably_	they can, to a very limited extent, and only if you use the korean firmware
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05:21:07	ashridah	and reprocess your video to like 10fps
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05:27:17	hacim	hmm, seems like the video is not quite worth it then
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05:37:20	webguest19	hello, there
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05:37:40	webguest19	if i put rockbox on my iPod, will it erase everything or something?
05:38:02	webguest19	because i have this other software to jus upgrade the graphics on it, and that does it
05:38:05	webguest19	im just wondering
05:38:53	webguest19	i have an iPod video, 30GB
05:41:29	ashridah	webguest19: i can't say for sure, since i don't know what the other software is doing, but the normal install doesn't erase any of your data, and the original ipod firmware can still be loaded when booting the device
05:42:08	ashridah	since there's no flashing, i'm willing to bet that the other software still works, but havnig a backup of the data that's on your ipod isn't a bad idea in any case, rockbox is still in development on the ipods after all
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05:43:26	hacim	oh I am guessing that if you put the korean firmware on the H340 to be able to watch vids, you can't also use rockbox at the same time, is that right?
05:43:26	webguest19	alright, thank you!
05:43:51	ashridah	hacim: the two firmwares will be available in dual-boot form
05:44:14	ashridah	the big problem with using the korean firmware is that if you've got the US version, you'll lose DRM support in iriver's firmware permanently
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05:44:50	ashridah	wtf
05:45:33	ashridah	so you'll have iriver's firmware, which can play video, and rockbox's, which doesn't suck at playing music or booting quickly :)
05:45:33	hacim	DRM is dumb anyways
05:45:38	ashridah	correct
05:46:04	hacim	:)
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07:04:30	earHertz	webguest92: type "type apple_os.bin" if it works you'll get a screen full of trash, but that's ok
07:04:55	webguest92	it cant find the file
07:04:58	webguest92	>_<!
07:05:05	earHertz	uhhuh!
07:05:19	earHertz	what happens when you type "dir"
07:05:40	webguest92	it shows all the filesi n the directory
07:05:46	webguest92	inscluding apple_os.bin -_-
07:05:59	earHertz	you're sure it's not mispelled?
07:06:21	webguest92	oh damnit now i feel stupid again >_<
07:06:28	webguest92	it was under aple with one p
07:06:44	earHertz	aha
07:06:47	webguest92	should i rename it, or just keep going?
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07:06:58	earHertz	rename it to apple_os.bin
07:07:02	webguest92	okay
07:07:05	webguest92	thank you again!
07:07:07	yuriks	woo, freenode is back up =)
07:07:09	earHertz	:)
07:07:40	earHertz	webguest92: np
07:07:51	webguest92	okay to rename it i thin i have to close command prompt, is that okay?
07:08:19	earHertz	just type "ren aple_os.bin apple_os.bin"
07:08:26	earHertz	you don't have to close anything
07:08:32	webguest92	oh alright
07:08:40	webguest92	thanks for the billionth time x_x
07:08:46	earHertz	sure
07:09:20	earHertz	webguest92: maybe youll return teh favor sometime
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07:23:28	webguest92	hey i got everything installed correctly, but i cant find my music!
07:25:02	webguest92	do i have to go back into itunes and disable disk use?
07:25:27	Phobiac	You used itunes to put the music on?
07:26:02	earHertz	webguest92: had you al;ready pur music on teh ipod?
07:26:21	webguest92	yeah
07:26:30	earHertz	ok,
07:26:32	webguest92	i have to put them on normally now?
07:26:41	earHertz	press menu
07:26:47	webguest92	kay
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07:27:14	earHertz	then uh, the second item
07:27:26	earHertz	scroll to the 2nd item and press select
07:27:28	webguest92	sound setting?
07:27:38	earHertz	no,
07:27:52	webguest92	thats my 2nd item
07:28:00	earHertz	uh, right now I write code to replace all my second lines with the third line
07:28:10	earHertz	so I can't see it on my ipod
07:28:11	scorche	lol
07:28:12	webguest92	oh general settings?
07:28:18	earHertz	yeah, probably
07:28:23	webguest92	okay
07:28:28	Phobiac	Wait, did you place the files in the root of the iPod or put them on with itunes?
07:28:35	earHertz	scorche: trll him how to set up tagcache, will you?
07:28:45	webguest92	itunes
07:28:57	scorche	earHertz: just link him to the wiki =)
07:29:03	Phobiac	Then the files are placed in a (currently) hidden folder.
07:29:04	scorche	im lazy
07:29:07	earHertz	webguest92: you want to turnm on tagcache, then force it to read
07:29:29	earHertz	then let it read for thirty minutes
07:29:40	earHertz	then reboot
07:30:03	earHertz	that'll give you an interfeace like the apple firmware
07:30:11	webguest92	so im in tag cache, i should have it onload to RAM?
07:30:16	earHertz	yeah
07:30:21	webguest92	alright
07:30:34	webguest92	then force to update, right?
07:30:35	earHertz	then hit force tagacahe, the entry just below
07:30:37	earHertz	yeah
07:30:47	earHertz	then wait thirty minutes
07:30:51	webguest92	okay
07:30:52	webguest92	thanks!
07:30:55	earHertz	sure
07:31:11	scorche	webguest92: keep in mind that 30 min is an estimation =)
07:31:51	Phobiac	Won't he run into issues though? If he placed the songs on with itunes, the itunes database is the one being used and all his songs have random looking names.
07:32:15	midkay	why not just say till the disk stops accessing?
07:32:17	scorche	Phobiac: tagcache uses the id3 tags
07:32:25	midkay	could only be a couple minutes if he has fewer than, say, a thousand songs.
07:32:26	Phobiac	Oh, okay.
07:32:49	webguest92	i have 1,069 i think xD
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07:32:59	midkay	webguest92, should only be around five minutes, i'd expect.
07:33:14	midkay	you'll see a black disk icon in the upper right, if you've got the status bar on. next to the clock.
07:33:15	scorche	midkay: cause it can be easier for some people to say "wait about 30 min, then check" rather than just that
07:33:20	midkay	when it goes off, that means it's done.
07:33:30	midkay	scorche, well, that's a hell of a waste of time, if it's done after 2 minutes.
07:33:33	webguest92	its off
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07:33:37	webguest92	do i have to restart?
07:33:40	midkay	webguest92, then it's done. restart.
07:33:40	midkay	yeah.
07:33:42	scorche	midkay: i wasnt the one that said 30 min ;)
07:33:48	midkay	scorche, you backed it up though.. :)
07:34:08	scorche	but i said that it was his estimate
07:34:21	scorche	hooray for pointless internet fights! =D
07:34:36	midkay	hooray indeed! -> you said it was "an" estimate, not "his" or "an" estimate.
07:34:36	midkay	:)
07:34:42	scorche	ok fine
07:34:47	yuriks	=)
07:34:47	scorche	s/an/his
07:34:57	yuriks	I'm looking into starting rockbox devlopment
07:35:02	yuriks	where could I start?
07:35:15	midkay	and if you'll bother to say that it's his, you might bother pointing out that yours is that it could be done in a tenth of the time. :)
07:35:22	midkay	yuriks, the wiki.
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07:35:30	midkay	DocsIndex has a whole developers section.
07:35:40	midkay	guidelines/starting out stuff..
07:35:41	dilinger	so i just got a b&w 4th gen ipod..
07:35:51	yuriks	I arleady got it to compile
07:35:56	dilinger	and i'm attempting to follow the instructions to install a daily build
07:36:05	yuriks	what would be a good "Hello world" to me to try?
07:36:14	dilinger	however, the linux instructions basically talk about the 4gs having only 2 partitions
07:36:15	midkay	yuriks, there's already a helloworld plugin..
07:36:18	dilinger	and the second partition being vfat
07:36:18	*	scorche puts some new duracell 2650 mAh batteries in his ajr
07:36:24	dilinger	the device i have has 3 partitions
07:36:25	midkay	yuriks, if you know the coding language, you just need to learn your way around the code.
07:36:31	dilinger	and the third partition is hfs+
07:36:37	dilinger	(which i can't seem to write to in linux)
07:36:43	midkay	there's a helloworld example for plugin development, docs in the wiki with plenty of info, etc.
07:36:58	scorche	dilinger: you can, you just dont have the packages installed it seems
07:36:58	yuriks	dilinger: you iP is a Mac iP
07:37:01	webguest92	is there a way to reboot it into regular ipod mode? [sorry i dont know the right lingo lol]
07:37:11	yuriks	dilinger: boot into windows and reset the ipod
07:37:12	earHertz	webguest92: that's exacrly teh right lingo
07:37:22	yuriks	webguest92: hold Menu
07:37:24	dilinger	scorche: packages? i'm talking about literally mount /dev/sda3 /mnt -t hfsplus -o rw
07:37:31	dilinger	and i can't write to that
07:37:34	earHertz	webguest92: reboot the ipod by pressing select_menu; then keep pressing menu
07:37:46	midkay	yuriks, what are you interested in working on?
07:37:47	yuriks	yeah, that
07:37:48	webguest92	okay thanks
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07:37:52	dilinger	yuriks: heh, i don't have access to a windows machine
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07:37:55	earHertz	teh bootloader will tell you it's loading teh retailos
07:38:02	yuriks	dilinger: well, thought luck =P
07:38:08	yuriks	You will need to find one
07:38:16	scorche	webguest92: it takes some time to master it though...more precisely, it is menu, release, hold menu again
07:38:23	midkay	earHertz, seriously, set up an auto-replace for your client.. to change 'teh' to 'the'. :)
07:38:24	dilinger	yuriks: there's no way to install rockbox onto my ipod via linux?
07:38:28	yuriks	or you can try formatting it using Linux, I'm not sure if it works tho
07:38:30	earHertz	scorche: no wonder i have such trouble with it
07:38:38	yuriks	dilinger: there is, but it needs to be a FAT iPod
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07:38:58	earHertz	dilinger: rockbox doesn't read hfs
07:38:58	yuriks	dilinger: Using it once in Windows makes it a FAT iPod
07:39:11	scorche	midkay: i have that as an auto-replace, but i like saying "teh" when making fun of certain people...
07:39:15	yuriks	or try formatting the 2nd partition as fat
07:39:24	Mikachu	formatting the second partition will work fine
07:39:31	Mikachu	just make sure to use -F 32
07:39:35	dilinger	yuriks: so if i simply turn it into a fat32 partition in linux, the apple firmware will know how to handle it? (if the rockbox firmware doesn't work)
07:39:37	midkay	scorche, same, came with xchat by default.. but when the problem gets this bad (earHertz-bad).. something has to be done.
07:39:37	midkay	:)
07:39:45	scorche	=P
07:39:46	yuriks	dilinger: that, I don't know
07:39:46	earHertz	midkay: does chatzila have autoreplace?
07:39:50	dilinger	ok
07:39:56	yuriks	rockbox should work tho
07:40:04	dilinger	so i can leave sda3 as hfs+, and turn sda2 into vfat?
07:40:11	yuriks	dilinger: hmm, wait
07:40:15	dilinger	and install rockbox on sda2?
07:40:22	midkay	earHertz, dunno. i'm pretty sure that it has 'that client really sucks', though. :D
07:40:29	Mikachu	why do you have three partitions??
07:40:33	earHertz	dilinger: no, no, you want to access the same files in rockbox as in teh retailos
07:40:36	dilinger	Mikachu: that's what i'm wondering
07:40:44	earHertz	midkay: ;()
07:40:49	yuriks	paste the output of "fdisk /dev/sda -l"
07:40:55	yuriks	replace sda with your iP device
07:41:12	dilinger	Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table
07:41:23	dilinger	however, here's what i see in dmesg
07:41:29	dilinger	[17203874.184000] sda: [mac] sda1 sda2 sda3
07:41:48	yuriks	hmm, it got a mac part table
07:41:57	yuriks	does anyone know if fdisk can handle that?
07:42:01	Mikachu	try cfdisk
07:42:07	Mikachu	the man page for fdisk says not to use it :)
07:42:10	Mikachu	fdisk that is
07:42:13	Mikachu	it recommends cfdisk
07:42:18	dilinger	heh
07:42:31	dilinger	cfdisk doesn't see a partition table either
07:42:36	dilinger	lemme see if parted can handle it
07:42:55	dilinger	yea, parted works
07:43:02	yuriks	dilinger: try sfdisk
07:43:21	yuriks	dilinger: ok, what's the part table?
07:44:18	dilinger	http://pastebin.ca/71068
07:44:49	yuriks	ok
07:44:57	yuriks	format the 3rd one
07:45:02	yuriks	sda3
07:45:46	yuriks	I would still recommend getting your hands in a windoze machine to reset it tho
07:45:55	yuriks	you don't have anything to lose tho ;)
07:46:00	dilinger	mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda3
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07:51:11	yuriks	uh
07:51:17	yuriks	what just happened?
07:51:41	yuriks	???
07:52:13	dilinger	01:46 -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We've got to restart one of our servers due to load issues; it's a pretty big, noticeable hit. If you're restarted, please reconnect to chat.freenode.net .... thanks
07:52:17	dilinger	hm
07:52:37	dilinger	ok, so i wrote the firmware to /dev/sda2, reformated /dev/sda3 to vfat and unzipped a daily build onto it..
07:53:00	dilinger	upon reboot, it shows me the rockbox boot loader screen, but it appears to be hanging
07:53:11	dilinger	"No partition found"
07:53:17	dilinger	"Partition 1: 0x00 0 MB"
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07:53:22	dilinger	"Loading Rockbox..."
07:53:26	dilinger	and that's it
07:53:31	yuriks	hmm
07:53:38	yuriks	yeah, go to your nearest windows box =P
07:53:45	dilinger	no, really
07:53:49	dilinger	i don't have a nearest windows box
07:53:54	yuriks	(yes, it will work with Macs afterwards)
07:54:07	scorche	everyone has a nearest windows box!
07:54:11	yuriks	dilinger: man, really, windows is everywhere, where are you?
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07:54:48	yuriks	dilinger: well, in that case, uh, ask someone for a disk dump
07:54:51	dilinger	yuriks: in free software land, where rockbox is supposed to be
07:55:03	yuriks	then dd it, then recreate the partitions
07:55:12	yuriks	that may as well fuck up your iPod, too
07:55:13	dilinger	i saved the partitions before doing this
07:55:20	yuriks	dilinger: your neighbor, anything
07:55:24	yuriks	heck
07:55:50	yuriks	only thing you need to do is popin the Apple CD, install the iPod upgrade tools, run it, hit reset, wait a few secs and you're done
07:56:33	yuriks	darn, there isn't a "Trivial" section in the bug tracker =P
07:57:39	dilinger	yuriks: heh, what do you think the chances are that i could do that in wine? :)
07:58:10	scorche	dilinger: only one way to find out =)
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07:58:22	yuriks	dilinger: hmmm, I dunno, I would bet slim, as with anything involving wine, but, give it a go
07:58:44	yuriks	I think wine doesn't gives programs raw disc I/O tho, which you need (thru USB even)
07:59:58	Jungti1234	hello
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08:00:03	Jungti1234	I have question
08:00:16	yuriks	main screen turn on
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08:00:39	yuriks	Jungti1234: yes?
08:00:40	earHertz	yuriks: all your base are belong to us
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08:01:16	yuriks	Jungti1234: move every "Word"!
08:01:21	yuriks	for great justice!
08:01:22	Jungti1234	Why setting is reseted constantly?
08:01:45	scorche	Jungti1234: do you have the hold switch on?
08:02:17	Jungti1234	what's mean?
08:02:26	scorche	Jungti1234: what device do you have?
08:02:29	Jungti1234	H300
08:02:33	yuriks	do you have that sliding switch on the top o.. nvm
08:02:43	scorche	do you save the settings?
08:02:58	Jungti1234	no
08:03:09	scorche	yuriks: most of the people that come in asking for questions like that have ipods so i assume ;)
08:03:16	scorche	Jungti1234: i would suggest doing that ;)
08:03:26	scorche	there is a "manage settings" option in the menu
08:03:41	Jungti1234	nono, I know but
08:03:45	yuriks	scorche: Yeah, I guessed so to ;)
08:03:51	Jungti1234	I want that know reason.
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08:04:27	Myk3	hello all
08:04:38	scorche	Jungti1234: the reason is to make swtiching between various different settings easier (for testing things, it is great)
08:04:44	Myk3	i have just installed rockbox on my iaudio x5
08:04:58	Jungti1234	hmm
08:04:59	Myk3	but it looks very plain
08:05:15	Myk3	i saw a post on line and his x5 was very eye pleasing
08:05:28	Myk3	where can i read about doing this?
08:05:35	yuriks	get another wps
08:05:42	yuriks	or theme
08:05:50	yuriks	they have plenty on the website
08:06:03	Myk3	so it is the theme?
08:06:06	Myk3	k
08:06:08	Myk3	thnx
08:07:00	Jungti1234	anyway, Thanks scorche yuriks
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08:07:35	dilinger	ok
08:07:40	dilinger	so i restored the apple firmware
08:07:46	dilinger	it deals w/ the vfat partition just fine
08:07:49	dilinger	so i think that's ok
08:08:05	dilinger	i think the freezing that i'm seeing is the daily build
08:08:52	scorche	dilinger: you can always use "bleeding edge" builds as well
08:09:45	dilinger	unless the bootloader isn't properly loading the apple firmware
08:09:53	yuriks	dilinger: hmm, did another copmuter with windows just suddenly POP beside you?
08:10:02	dilinger	yuriks: no?
08:10:06	yuriks	O_o
08:10:14	scorche	well, your problem doesnt sound like it is the build you dl
08:10:16	dilinger	yuriks: ..what are you talking about?
08:10:17	Myk3	how do i install patches?
08:10:18	yuriks	weird, you said you didn't have any windows computer nbearby
08:10:29	dilinger	yuriks: i still don't have any windows computers
08:10:34	yuriks	Myk3: you have to compile from source
08:10:41	dilinger	i restored the apple firmware by dd'ing it
08:10:44	yuriks	dilinger: ah.. ok
08:10:50	dilinger	i made backups of all the partitions before doing anything
08:10:51	Myk3	can i do that on winblows?
08:10:58	dilinger	anyways
08:11:01	yuriks	well, that doesn't solves the problem =)
08:11:08	dilinger	so /dev/sda3 is empty (but vfat)
08:11:09	yuriks	Myk3: yes, you have to dl quite some stuff tho
08:11:15	dilinger	when sda2 is the apple firmware, it seems to boot and work just fine
08:11:22	yuriks	dilinger: doesn't help us
08:11:26	Myk3	well for know im going back to normal
08:11:28	dilinger	when it's the rockbox firmware, it seems to hang
08:11:30	Myk3	thnx though
08:11:45	yuriks	rockbox expects it to be at sda1: blank and sda2: fat
08:11:45	scorche	Myk3: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
08:11:46	dilinger	i used this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/bootloader-4g.bin
08:12:05	dilinger	and followed the instructions from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
08:12:25	dilinger	however, perhaps i should be using sda1 instead of sda2?
08:12:37	dilinger	-rw-r−−r−− 1 dilinger dilinger 71K 2006-06-25 01:14 rockboot.bin
08:12:38	yuriks	scorche: I guess he means "getting patches and makin a firmware"
08:12:47	dilinger	that's following the wiki instructions exactly
08:12:50	yuriks	dilinger: well, since you have backups
08:12:53	dilinger	-rw-r−−r−− 1 dilinger dilinger 3.5M 2006-06-25 01:15 rockboot2.bin
08:12:57	yuriks	try nuking sda2 and sda3
08:13:02	dilinger	that's using sda2 in place of sda1
08:13:06	yuriks	creating a vfat partition there
08:13:11	yuriks	and formatting it as fat
08:13:31	yuriks	also see if you hadn't forgoten to change the part. type in the part. table ;)
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08:14:29	yuriks	haha, the all your base guy had funny grammar for sure
08:14:42	dilinger	parted sees sda3 as a fat32 partition
08:14:51	yuriks	hmmm, well, nuje
08:14:53	yuriks	nuke*
08:14:55	dilinger	no idea if that's using the actual partition type or not
08:15:03	scorche	yuriks: not everyone in here is fluent in english
08:15:14	yuriks	we want it to be just like a Win iPod
08:15:23	yuriks	scorche: yeah I know, I wasn't some years ago too
08:15:30	yuriks	but I don't think I ever wrote that way >_>
08:16:01	scorche	yuriks: maybe he uses babelfish
08:16:05	scorche	lol
08:16:08	yuriks	haha
08:16:55	dilinger	yuriks: er... wait, remove sda2 and sda3? does sda1 actually contain anything that will boot?
08:17:02	yuriks	dilinger: you COULD dd the firmware off (the first empty part), use cfdisk -z /dev/sda, creating...
08:17:04	dilinger	it's only 32kb
08:17:05	yuriks	dilinger: on mine it does
08:17:09	yuriks	oh, no then
08:17:13	yuriks	hmm
08:17:18	yuriks	try merging the two
08:17:21	dilinger	parted claims it contains a partition map
08:17:27	yuriks	hmmm
08:17:35	yuriks	Mac stuff proably
08:17:39	yuriks	yeah
08:17:41	*	dilinger points to http://pastebin.ca/71068 again
08:17:41	yuriks	I got an ideia
08:17:57	yuriks	dd the sda2 off
08:18:30	yuriks	then use cfdisk -z /dev/sda (it will start from scratch)
08:18:52	yuriks	make sda1 a blank "partition" of the size of your dd image
08:19:05	yuriks	then fill the rest of the disk with an empty fat partition
08:19:26	yuriks	hmm, I wonder, can't we just nuke the original firmware alltogether?
08:19:34	dilinger	heh
08:19:37	dilinger	well, in theory, sure
08:19:58	yuriks	well, you got Disk Mode and a dd image, go for it
08:20:02	yuriks	ogogog
08:20:04	*	dilinger double checks that sda1 actually comes 512 bytes into sda, since that's how much of the mbr i backed up
08:20:13	yuriks	MBR?
08:20:19	yuriks	dd the WHOLE disk =P
08:20:39	yuriks	well... 20gb...
08:20:45	dilinger	yea, cool
08:20:48	yuriks	dd some 200mb
08:20:53	dilinger	partition map fits into 512 meg
08:21:12	yuriks	dd a good sized chunk from the start
08:21:19	dilinger	then comes sda1, which hexdump shows as having "PM", "partition map", "Apple_partition_map"
08:21:44	yuriks	backup that, then nuke everything and make a single fat partition
08:21:50	yuriks	then try that =]
08:22:18	dilinger	erm
08:22:48	dilinger	so if i have a single fat partition, where does rockboot.bin go?
08:23:34	yuriks	dd if=/dev/sda bs=1k conv=notrunc \| bzip2 −−best > backup.bz2
08:23:36	yuriks	argh
08:23:39	yuriks	you have a point
08:23:46	dilinger	i'll make two partitions
08:23:51	yuriks	hmm
08:23:56	yuriks	uh
08:24:00	yuriks	try this:
08:24:06	yuriks	dd sda2 off the disk
08:24:10	yuriks	nuke em all
08:24:24	yuriks	dd sda2 to a correctly sized partition (as sda1)
08:24:33	yuriks	create sda2 as a fat part
08:24:36	yuriks	???
08:24:41	yuriks	PROFIT! (maybe =P)
08:24:43	dilinger	so drop sda1 completely, you're saying?
08:24:51	dilinger	and just move the other two partitions forward?
08:24:55	yuriks	dilinger: yeah, it is just Mac partition table stuff
08:25:25	yuriks	dilinger: use cfdisk -z /dev/sda, that will nuke the MBR, which is something we need to do (to make is PC-format)
08:25:37	yuriks	it*
08:25:59	yuriks	then you create a sda1, dd the image into it, and create sda2 where you will put your data
08:26:09	yuriks	not sure if the firmware is compatible tho =]
08:26:45	yuriks	Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
08:26:46	yuriks	/dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty
08:26:46	yuriks	/dev/sda2 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32
08:26:53	yuriks	where's what I got on my mini 2g
08:27:02	yuriks	Photos have bigger stuff tho
08:27:05	yuriks	hmm
08:27:14	yuriks	I'll see what I get in iPL
08:28:38	yuriks	dilinger: I still wonder WHERE on Earth you are with no windows boxes near by
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08:32:28	dilinger	hehe, neat
08:32:32	yuriks	scorche: hmm, do you have any ideia if it's possible to implement that "remove headphone, music pauses" thingie that the official firmware has? (an iPodLinux too)
08:32:43	dilinger	when i use the apple firmware, it shows me a picture of a broken folder
08:32:49	dilinger	and tells me to contact apple support :)
08:33:33	yuriks	haha, borked ;)
08:33:38	yuriks	restore your backup then
08:33:44	yuriks	dilinger: and on rockbox?
08:33:53	dilinger	ditto
08:33:56	yuriks	(don't restore your backup yet)
08:33:58	yuriks	meh
08:34:03	dilinger	i'm betting it's not happy w/ the partition table types
08:34:09	dilinger	or maybe it requires a bootable partition?
08:34:56	dilinger	i set the disk label to msdos, and the partition types to 83 (linux). i'll try setting those to dos and see what happens
08:35:11	yuriks	dilinger: wait, did you do the cfdisk thingie?
08:35:31	dilinger	yea
08:35:32	yuriks	dilinger: the firmware needs to be "None" (aka, No partition)
08:35:36	yuriks	and the second one FAT
08:35:37	scorche	yuriks: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899
08:35:44	yuriks	but I guess it won't work anyway -_-
08:36:33	yuriks	I think dilinger what kind of iPod is this?
08:36:34	yuriks	4g?
08:39:04	yuriks	dilinger: ???
08:39:24	yuriks	heh, that "I think" was part from another message ;S
08:39:39	dilinger	i can't seem to set the type to "none" for the first partition
08:39:49	dilinger	i set the second one to fat32 LBA
08:39:52	dilinger	it's a 4g
08:39:55	dilinger	greyscale
08:40:05	yuriks	hmm..
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08:40:31	yuriks	dilinger: oh right, just "Delete" the partition
08:41:01	dilinger	which?
08:41:23	yuriks	the one that is meant to be set to None
08:43:17	scorche	yuriks: so yes =P
08:43:45	dilinger	yuriks: that doesn't help
08:43:48	dilinger	any other suggestions?
08:43:54	yuriks	hmm
08:45:30	yuriks	well, iPL guys ran ou of suggestion
08:45:39	yuriks	they say that you should get windows =]
08:46:34	dilinger	heh
08:46:39	dilinger	i don't see how that's going to help :P
08:46:51	dilinger	unless it's just rockbox not knowing how to handle 3 partitions instead of two
08:47:14	yuriks	dilinger: using the apple tool automagically makes it work =P
08:47:15	yuriks	ok
08:47:17	yuriks	try this:
08:47:21	scorche	dilinger: you could always wait until someone more experienced with the ipod comes around
08:47:32	yuriks	cfdisk -z /dev/sda
08:47:46	yuriks	then create a partition that goes from 0mb to 63mb at the start
08:47:51	yuriks	then fill in with a fat part.
08:48:18	yuriks	then dd the backup, delete sda1, format sda2, and try, again
08:49:40	dilinger	well, it's almost 3am here
08:49:51	yuriks	just try that
08:49:59	dilinger	i think i'm just going to give up for tonight and try again tomorrow
08:50:00	yuriks	(hmm, it's 4am here ;)
08:50:20	yuriks	phool! mever gyve up!
08:50:46	scorche	dilinger: try and talk to paul_the_nerd
08:51:04	scorche	he usually answers questions regarding ipods
08:51:38	scorche	i dont have one myself, so my knowledge of them is mostly just rockbox crap and not info about partitions and all
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08:58:42	yuriks	?
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09:01:10	yuriks	does it have a rockbox channel?
09:02:34	dilinger	i have no idea
09:03:34	yuriks	then
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09:55:08	midkay	going down as in temporarily..
09:55:10	midkay	:)
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10:04:58	earHertz	midkay: pervert
10:05:48	midkay	what the hell? it took me like 10 seconds to figure out what you were even very remotely referring to.. if you can come up with something like that mentally on your own, you really are a perv.
10:05:49	midkay	:)
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10:06:12	earHertz	you're one of god's innocents
10:07:14	midkay	haha.
10:07:28	midkay	in your dreams!
10:07:45	midkay	haha.
10:08:07	midkay	Search results for: "Pi". Did you mean: "720p"?
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10:20:55	RedBreva	What the crap is this suppsed to achieve? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RobbyWilliamsIsSpam
10:22:34	scorche	ugh...
10:22:57	scorche	holy hell...look at all of his attachments
10:24:49	RedBreva	I like the comment "You have spammers on your twiki abusing your webspace." (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BeatDoebeli)
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10:32:41	RedBreva	One of the Themes on the Wiki states that "It needs the 'revised replay gain tags' patch.", It's quite a long standing theme and the patch link points back to sourceforge, anyone know if this patch been (or ever will be) included in CVS (yet)?
10:34:39	RedBreva	Ah OK, found it on FS (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2740), seem that it hasn't ...
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10:36:50	earHertz	anyone witg a video ipod wnat to test something?
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10:45:51	stripwax	sure
10:46:01	stripwax	lcd driver? ;-)
10:50:32	stripwax	earHertz - do you happen to know how to interpret the output of the test_fps plugin, by the way?
10:50:33	earHertz	stripwax: 30gb OR ^0GB?
10:50:39	stripwax	60
10:51:02	earHertz	stripwax: YEAH, IT'S JUST FRAMES PER SECOND, FOR THE WHIOLE LCD (1/1) AND ONE QURTER OF IT (1/4)
10:51:09	stripwax	ah!
10:51:59	stripwax	i thought it was amount of cpu boost .. pretty weird that 1/4 is not roughly 4x whole screen!
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10:53:05	earHertz	ovrerhead costs
10:53:11	stripwax	guess so
10:53:27	earHertz	stripwax: http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/listopt2-noscroll/rockbox.zip
10:53:47	stripwax	ta
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10:55:27	stripwax	earHertz - is it just the rockbox.ipod I need, or is anything significant in the .rockbox folder too?
10:56:41	earHertz	stripwax: the codecs will change address, so unzip it
10:57:12	stripwax	okie
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11:00:32	stripwax	er, well there's at least one bug.. browse to a list, and scroll 'backwards' to get to the end of the list - lcd gets covered in junk ..
11:00:55	stripwax	no noticeable improvement in fps over jbuild
11:01:30	stripwax	hrm, and scrolling from end of list back to start crashes ipod ...
11:03:11	stripwax	(scrolling 'forwards' from last item, that is)
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11:14:44	stripwax	earHertz -hmm, I had to put jbuild back on to check - jbuild wad 45.5 fps at 1/4 before (same as your build), now it's saying 41fps; so not sure how accurate this actually is...
11:15:03	stripwax	^wad^was
11:15:08	earHertz	wtf's jbuild?
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11:15:25	stripwax	earHertz http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/
11:15:44	earHertz	yreah, but what's he doing>?
11:15:58	earHertz	OH!
11:16:09	earHertz	my build isn't using my patch; his build is using my patch
11:16:17	stripwax	it's just mostly the latest patches - no lcd driver changes compared to cvs
11:16:20	stripwax	eh ???
11:16:53	earHertz	huis build uses my duff's device patcjh. The build I just gavce you does not, because I "cleaned" it to diff some new patches
11:17:47	stripwax	oh yeah, so it does! heh. well, your cleaned patch seems to have some issues as above..
11:18:51	earHertz	scrolling of the end crashes it?
11:19:47	huerlima	writing plugin: anybody has a clue why i am not able to read a file? i can write it. then i open it with fd = rb->open(file_name, O_RDONLY); read it with rb->read(fd, buf, count); ... but then the simulation crashes and gives back... Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
11:20:28	stripwax	earHertz - yep. i'll retest in a moment
11:21:00	earHertz	stripwax: but does it see faster when you scroll it?
11:21:17	earHertz	huerlima: no clue
11:22:16	earHertz	stripwax: I can't get it to crasjh that way
11:28:51	stripwax	earHertz - hm, nor can i now. but you see the lcd junk, right? (browse plugins -> scroll backwards)
11:29:30	stripwax	earHertz - nope, got it to crash again. i recommend you try it in the browse plugins list
11:29:37	earHertz	I just did
11:29:47	stripwax	btw what does "0 0" at the top of screen mean?
11:30:12	earHertz	scrol accell, but the accel is disabled
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11:31:27	stripwax	earHertz - if it makes any difference i was playing music at the same time, using boxes wps. it's definitely 100% reproducible here ...
11:31:43	earHertz	ok, thanks. I beleieve you ;)
11:32:26	earHertz	only at the top and bottom of teh lists?
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11:32:49	stripwax	crash from bottom->top ; lcd junk from top->bottom
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11:33:10	earHertz	wait a sec
11:33:23	earHertz	I wonder If I inadvertantly gave you an older buiold
11:33:31	stripwax	ahem
11:33:49	earHertz	opps
11:33:51	earHertz	sorry
11:33:59	crashd	heh
11:36:16	earHertz	stripwax: never mind trying another build. did teh scrolling seem faster?
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11:37:55	stripwax	you mean the scrollwheel selection bar moving faster thru the list? not really - or at least not consistently. sometimes it seemed very fast even tho i was moving my finger slowly - other times it was moving v. slowly even tho i was moving my finger very fast!
11:38:13	earHertz	hmm
11:38:30	earHertz	c'est la vie
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12:30:06	infamis	what causes a codec failure?
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12:30:36	earHertz	a codec that wweasn't compiled with a build
12:30:52	earHertz	the codec addresses are static
12:30:53	apo`	Morning
12:31:11	earHertz	infamis: unzip the whole zip, not just the formware
12:31:16	earHertz	apo`: morning
12:31:31	bluebrother	does anybody understand that report? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5595
12:31:39	infamis	ok...but what about when a file is playing...then halfway through you get a codec failure?
12:31:58	stripwax	infamis - perhaps, a bug. what file type?
12:32:05	earHertz	bluebrother: it reboot ion him>?
12:32:16	infamis	m4a (aac)
12:32:26	earHertz	infamis: that's probably a bug. are you a developer?
12:32:35	bluebrother	I just read that task, I have no idea what he means.
12:32:50	infamis	not really, but I can program
12:32:57	stripwax	earHertz - i've seen that too, on aac on ipod
12:33:07	earHertz	infamis: wrong question. do you make your own builfds?
12:33:12	infamis	yup
12:33:35	earHertz	infamis: see if you can get the erro using the latest cvs build
12:33:36	infamis	so basically I'm trying to do some debugging but wanted to ask what causes them first
12:33:44	apo`	[12:31:31] <bluebrother> does anybody understand that report? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5595 < His iPod reboots when he plugs it into the USB plug of his PC?
12:33:45	earHertz	if you can, then add it to the bugtracker
12:33:59	*	earHertz nods at apo. I think so too
12:34:36	infamis	yea realized my last compile was 6/8...should probably do a cvs update (just haven't seen any relevant iAudio/x5 committs ;))
12:34:44	bluebrother	hmm. Do you consider this a bug?
12:34:52	earHertz	bluebrother: nope
12:35:08	bluebrother	then I really don't understand that report.
12:35:16	earHertz	yes, close it
12:36:53	infamis	also, let me ask if for you guys, when you get a codec failure, when trying to play something else (of a known good/working codec, say mp3), it just doesn't play and a shutdown is the only fix?
12:37:23	infamis	or do other files of different codecs play fine (after the codec failure)?
12:37:43	earHertz	infamis: I've only gooten it when I had a codec that wasn't compiled with teh executable
12:37:59	infamis	next file plays fine in that case?
12:38:03	stripwax	infamis - sometimes yes, sometimes no.. if you change track and leave it for a bit it should be fine
12:38:09	earHertz	no, no, nothing plays
12:38:15	infamis	ah ok, I'm just impatient lol
12:38:31	infamis	ok
12:38:50	dionoea	what the target with the smallest color screen ?
12:38:53	dionoea	+is
12:39:04	dionoea	ipod nano ?
12:39:14	earHertz	dionoea: no idea
12:39:26	linuxstb__	iaudio X5 I think.
12:40:02	linuxstb__	Check the DeviceChart wiki page, or the #defines in firmware/export/config-*.h
12:40:24	dionoea	i'll check the wiki :) thanks
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12:42:04	*	freqmod has reimplemented seeking in speex (fixed integer overflow bug), seeking now works (on iPod) (,but slowly, it takes 5 secounds before the seek funcion is called)
12:42:22	earHertz	5 secs??
12:42:29	dionoea	looks like iaudio wins !
12:42:34	earHertz	what's speex anyway?
12:42:45	stripwax	xiph codec for speech
12:42:46	freqmod	an (ogg) speech codec
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12:45:43	earHertz	stripwax: do you have page scrolling set?
12:46:02	earHertz	ogg is what star trek nerds use, right?
12:46:20	stripwax	earHertz - dunno, what is page scrolling?
12:46:30	*	stripwax is no star trek nerd
12:46:56	stripwax	earHertz - i used whatever the defaults for your build were
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12:47:40	earHertz	hujh, I got a freeze when i set paghed scrolling
12:48:21	earHertz	page scrolling is when the cursor hits teh bottom of the page, the cursor goes back to the top
12:48:21	stripwax	earHertz - is that the default? i didn't change any settings when I tested your build ..
12:48:30	stripwax	earHertz - nope, I don't have that
12:48:35	earHertz	no, it's not defualt
12:48:45	stripwax	earHertz - i tested using only defaults..
12:49:15	earHertz	stripwax: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-06/0148.shtml
12:54:04	stripwax	earHertz - hm, if it doesn't work with backgrounds maybe that's why i was getting screen junk..
12:54:16	earHertz	yeah
12:54:38	earHertz	sorry, I should have explained that
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12:56:43	stripwax	i'm not convinced that keeping foreground and background in separate buffers would give much speedup, unless there's something seriously wrong with our text blit routines
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12:57:44	earHertz	probably
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12:59:45	reverendnathan	Hey! Question about building in Linux and dmseg
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13:00:12	reverendnathan	When I use dmesg, it give me a lot of information, but not information that is included in the wiki?
13:00:18	stripwax	huh?
13:00:22	earHertz	huh?
13:00:33	reverendnathan	Nevermind
13:00:34	stripwax	at what point do you need to use dmesg to build??
13:00:35	earHertz	dmesg gives hyou system messages
13:00:35	reverendnathan	Crap
13:00:42	reverendnathan	Sorry, read the wiki wrong :-o
13:00:46	stripwax	:-D
13:01:03	reverendnathan	It's uh... little skimp on what you use directly in the terminal
13:01:17	reverendnathan	That's cool, though; looks way easier than that dreaded windows tut
13:02:03	earHertz	stripwax: can I load firmware from the diretory browser on teh ipod?
13:02:27	stripwax	earHertz - should be able to ,although I've personally not tried that on ipod yet (only had one three days..)
13:02:35	earHertz	oh!
13:02:42	earHertz	you come up to speed quick
13:03:16	stripwax	well, my h120 was a bit long in the tooth so I was comfortable putting rockbox on the ipod immediately i got it :-)
13:03:44	earHertz	ah
13:05:42	reverendnathan	By the way, the tutorial is confusing... does this KEEP the apple firmware AND rockbox?
13:05:53	earHertz	reverendnathan: yah
13:06:00	reverendnathan	Awesome!
13:06:01	jmspeex	freqmod: what's the problem with seeking?
13:06:28	reverendnathan	So if I hand the iPod to my friend, and finds the interface bewildering, I can reset it and he can use the Apple firmware?
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13:06:42	freqmod	i don't know it takes forever before the seek funcion is called (after seeks are requested)
13:06:59	earHertz	reverendnathan: if you reboot, (slect _+ menu) then let up on menu, then hold menu, you get the apple firmware
13:07:14	linuxstb	earHertz: No, "rolo" doesn't work on the ipods.
13:07:20	stripwax	linuxstb - ah
13:07:26	linuxstb	reverendnathan: Which tutorial?
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13:07:28	earHertz	linuxstb: because of teh sw codecs?
13:07:28	reverendnathan	I'm stoked. I was all skeptical about ridding of the Apple interface and all of that
13:07:38	reverendnathan	linuxstb: The one on Rockbox's wiki
13:08:11	linuxstb	URL? There are various installation pages...
13:08:34	reverendnathan	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
13:08:52	reverendnathan	It's very right-to-the-point; doesn't explain much to as what you are doing exactly
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13:09:01	linuxstb	earHertz: No, it's nothing to do with sw codecs. It's simply that no-one has implemented it.
13:09:42	earHertz	swcodecs who uld be a problem.
13:11:24	freqmod	I don't think it is a problem with speex, if it is, then it is because the interface only checks for seeks on data reads, and I was/am using a 50kb (input) data buffer.
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13:13:50	reverendnathan	OK, nother question Linuxers.
13:13:54	reverendnathan	Step 3 in this wiki
13:14:07	reverendnathan	How would I set that up with the extra step?
13:14:18	reverendnathan	Combine the bootloader and the Apple firmware into a new boot partition image: ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin Replace -g nano with the model of your ipod - type ipod_fw without any arguments for usage instructions. NOTE: iPod Video users need a copy of the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file that you extracted in step 2 in the current directory when running ipod_fw
13:14:28	reverendnathan	What should I write in my Terminal?
13:15:17	linuxstb	"ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin" - amending as appropriate for your ipod.
13:15:48	earHertz	we use the broadcomm firmware for what/
13:16:06	stripwax	nothing
13:16:26	earHertz	so why does bootlaosder want it? for the retailos?
13:16:59	jmspeex	preglow: Had a look at the ARM assembly in Speex yet? (I can point you to the routines that would need optimizing)
13:17:16	linuxstb	earHertz: Yes, retailos needs it. The Apple bootloader in flash might even refuse to recognise the firmware partition if there's no broadcom image there - I haven't tested.
13:17:39	earHertz	what's teh broadcomm chip do?
13:18:24	linuxstb	Sits there, wasting space. But all LCD communication needs to go through it.
13:18:26	stripwax	video
13:18:57	earHertz	it decodes video?
13:22:48	stripwax	it could do
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13:23:52	linuxstb	earHertz: Yes, that's what Apple use it for.
13:24:30	earHertz	why can't we use it for that too
13:24:55	reverendnathan	OK
13:24:55	stripwax	earHertz - are you volunteering to code the driver for it ? ;-)
13:25:03	earHertz	stripwax: no
13:25:07	stripwax	ahh..
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13:26:20	stripwax	also rockbox has no concept of video codecs, only audio codecs. now, maybe, just maybe, a video-player plugin might not be too impossible to write. but without specs for the broadcom chip, it's sorta tricky
13:27:03	earHertz	stripwax: a codecs a codec: a stream comes in, a stream comes out
13:27:20	earHertz	broadcomm spececs aren't freely available?
13:27:40	stripwax	earHertz - right but there's no pipeline in rockbox from stream->lcd ... we have audio buffers implemented but not video buffers..
13:28:12	earHertz	yeah
13:28:29	earHertz	I just hate to have hardware go to waste
13:29:17	stripwax	i imagine that one day there will be a way for rockbox to utilise that broadcom device - but today is not that day yet
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13:31:54	preglow	jmspeex: nah, no time
13:32:07	preglow	jmspeex: but a pointer would be appreciated
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13:36:00	jmspeex	preglow: Basically, the most important would be filter_mem16, iir_mem16 and fir_mem16. Their 32-bit version (*_mem2) are in assembly, but I'm now using mainly the 16-bit version.
13:37:13	freqmod	btw. to make speex patch up2date: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speex.v002.1.c
13:37:14	jmspeex	Other than that, compute_weighted_codebook() is now disabled because I broke it a while ago
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13:37:33	reverendnathan	I don't think my bootloader transfered (linux)
13:37:42	reverendnathan	[nathan@backroom Desktop]$ sudo dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1
13:37:43	reverendnathan	0+0 records in
13:37:43	reverendnathan	0+0 records out
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13:38:08	reverendnathan	I don't know?
13:40:06	jmspeex	freqmod: did you copy the granulepos handling code from speexdec?
13:40:31	jmspeex	If so, check it carefully, I recently fixed a segfault and I consider it poor quality anyway.
13:40:37	freqmod	i did in the start, but then i removed it
13:40:46	freqmod	what difference does it make?
13:41:35	freqmod	the codecloop just decodes, and does not care about granule, time etc. (when not seeking)
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13:48:49	jmspeex	freqmod: There are two things that use granulepos: seeking and gapless
13:49:46	freqmod	ok, i have to work at file transitions they don't work at all ATM, i'll do that now, since I have finished the seeking code
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13:51:18	freqmod	but I am packing for vacation so I may not have time to work at it today, maybe tomorrow, or tuesday (i leave for Germany at Wednesday, and will be away until 11.07 (DD/MM))
13:58:22	preglow	post a patch before you leave :>
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14:00:51	*	Paul_The_Nerd looks in the logs and sees the word "speex" recently.
14:01:10	*	jmspeex sees it often
14:01:41	*	petur considers rolling on the floor, laughing
14:01:51	Paul_The_Nerd	Heh
14:02:20	Paul_The_Nerd	By the way, if I suddenly go missing for a week, it's because my new neighbours have noticed I'm borrowing a very tiny amount of their wireless bandwidth. I'll have internet of my own again in a week and a day.
14:02:38	Rick	why don't you just ask for permission?
14:02:58	Paul_The_Nerd	I would
14:03:01	Rick	if you can "borrow" it, they're probably not people who use their connection much :P
14:03:05	Paul_The_Nerd	But I can't identify which apartment they're in.
14:03:11	Rick	lol
14:03:11	apo`	Heh
14:03:19	apo`	Just put a .txt in their shared files?
14:03:24	petur	ah, so they locked you out?
14:03:32	Paul_The_Nerd	I thought of that. Nothing shared
14:03:37	apo`	:/
14:03:43	Rick	how big is your apartments?
14:03:47	Paul_The_Nerd	I was locked out sometime last night, but returned when I woke up this morning.
14:04:06	Rick	locked out? from what?
14:04:11	Paul_The_Nerd	The network.
14:04:14	Rick	ah
14:04:15	Paul_The_Nerd	It wasn't assigning me an IP
14:04:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Now it is.
14:05:04	Paul_The_Nerd	I can't really move around to test signal strength, or I'd work a bit harder to identify where they are.
14:05:29	Paul_The_Nerd	But since the network is named "Linksys" and it's unprotected, I suspect that they're not monitoring it too closely
14:05:46	stripwax	Paul_The_Nerd it might have MAC address filtering enabled..
14:06:39	Paul_The_Nerd	stripwax: If it did, they disabled it later, and it was set to restrict all but their mac addresses. It's strange to go from "Completely unprotected for a week" to "A whitelist of mac addresses" but it's possible.
14:07:27	Paul_The_Nerd	Either way, if they do decide to kick me off again, I'll have limited access (apartment complex has an office center) that I'll use to make sure the forums haven't gone insane, but other than that I won't be around much.
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14:15:58	Genre9mp3	This wiki spam became really annoying...
14:16:27	Genre9mp3	Bagder around maybe?
14:18:18	apo`	badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger
14:18:23	apo`	... Sorry, reflex.
14:20:16	Genre9mp3	Also some folders should be removed eg.: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/ChRw/
14:20:22	Genre9mp3	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeRw/
14:20:34	Genre9mp3	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/KenWood/
14:20:38	Genre9mp3	and others..
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14:53:25	freqmod	When I have changed track and then seek (the 2nd time i get a segmentation fault in speex_decode_int) http://pastebin.ca/71205
14:54:44	freqmod	and not just when seeking, but sometimes during playback
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16:27:14	kridian	rockbox > *
16:27:15	kridian	:)
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16:38:20	daurnimator	even better than itself
16:38:21	daurnimator	:P
16:38:37	Lynx_	it's cool someone is looking into the scrolling speed, i find this the most annoying 'bug' in rockbox atm
16:38:37	kridian	heh
16:39:42	kridian	i'm looking at how difficult it would be to implement an 'enqueue' feature
16:40:08	Lynx_	kridian: what would that do?
16:40:38	kridian	the ability to specify which song it should play next without things like playlists
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16:42:07	Mikachu	why not just use the queue feature?
16:42:23	kridian	hmm
16:42:30	*	kridian gets ipod
16:43:25	dionoea	:)
16:43:46	stripwax	kridian - yeah, it's already there..
16:43:58	kridian	oops
16:44:08	kridian	cool
16:45:05	kridian	my bad
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16:48:46	daurnimator	yes - YOUR BAD
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16:51:52	stripwax	;-)
16:52:28	crwl	IMHO having a special "enqueue" feature in the playlist browser wouldn't hurt
16:52:42	crwl	it would change the playlist position after current track, and not add anything into it
16:54:24	kridian	mhm
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16:55:18	stripwax	isn't that what "Queue Next" already does?
16:56:07	crwl	um, in the playlist browser?
16:56:42	crwl	no, not at all
16:56:53	crwl	it just adds the song to the playlist next to the currently playing track
16:57:07	crwl	i'm looking for an enqueue feature like in Winamp or XMMS or Amarok
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16:57:40	daurnimator	ew, amarok :S
16:57:55	crwl	where you can effectively choose to, say, jump to the second song in the playlist (after the current song has finished playing) and then _continue from there._
16:58:05	stripwax	ah, ok
16:58:29	kridian	crwl: yip, such a feature..
16:58:40	daurnimator	i don't get how its different
16:58:40	stripwax	that sounds like it would be v. useful
16:58:40	daurnimator	:S
16:59:39	stripwax	daurnimator - if you're currently listening to track #1 in your playlist but you want to skip forward to track #5, you can only do that by interrupting the current song. What crwl suggests would wait until the current song has finished and then skip forward to track #5, and continue from there (with track #6, track #7, etc)
16:59:45	kridian	however, the 'queue' function seems to do the job
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17:00:31	daurnimator	do you mean 1,5,2,3,4,6,7? - or 1,5,6,7 (not ever playing 2,3,4)?
17:00:44	stripwax	the latter]
17:00:55	daurnimator	..
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17:01:06	daurnimator	can't you just press "next" 5 times?
17:01:16	PaulJam	stripwax: can't you achieve this with the current playlist system by moving the currently playing song in front of #5 ?
17:01:17	daurnimator	sorry, 4
17:01:23	crwl	well, that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of having playlists then
17:01:34	crwl	if you always had to be pressing buttons after tracks
17:01:41	kridian	heh
17:03:11	crwl	having such a "jump there after current song" feature would reduce the amount of needed keypresses in many use cases (at least for me) and would therefore be very useful in a portable device
17:03:58	crwl	the same outcome is probably kind of achievable by just editing the playlist as needed but wouldn't be as simple
17:04:01	daurnimator	i don't like the idea
17:04:05	daurnimator	infact - i hate it
17:04:33	crwl	and that's also the way lots of popular PC music player applications do their "queuing" and i like it
17:04:59	crwl	why would you hate an added feature which you wouldn't be forced to use?
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17:06:39	daurnimator	cause it would take up extra space
17:06:51	daurnimator	and/or valuable button combinations
17:07:11	crwl	from where? it could very well be in the context menu of playlist entries
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17:07:45	crwl	there's currently only Remove, Move and File options in there - an additional Enqueue option wouldn't really clutter the menu too much IMHO :)
17:10:18	daurnimator	i say just press Next 5 times or w/e
17:10:20	daurnimator	its not hard
17:10:35	daurnimator	you shouldv'e made your playlist correctly in the first place
17:11:13	crwl	but pressing next 30 times would be somewhat dull, wouldn't it?
17:11:26	crwl	or 300
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17:12:04	crwl	and it has absolutely nothing to do with "making a playlist correctly", more with changed tracks of interest etc. :)
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17:14:07	*	daurnimator wonders why you would have a 300 song long playlist - put it on random for godsakes
17:15:07	dionoea	maybe if all your songs are 2s long
17:15:20	crwl	blah, I'm not interested in lectures on how I should be listening my music to, I just threw a feature request in the air
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17:15:52	kridian	i don't how a "where to go next in the playlist after this song" isn't useful
17:15:54	daurnimator	and i'm making it come back down
17:15:56	kridian	^see
17:16:18	kridian	but okay..
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17:56:58	darkless	a quick question: does rockbox support id3v2.4?
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17:59:48	sadeness_	and does it support APE tags?
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17:59:59	apo`	Yes
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18:00:16	PaulJam	ape tags in mp3 are not supported
18:00:31	sadeness_	foobar2k does.
18:02:28	preglow	rockbox isn't foobar2k
18:03:43	sadeness_	I know. That's clear enough. I created half of my collection with APE tags. Where was my brain.
18:03:58	kridian	oh no
18:04:04	apo`	Just change it :P
18:05:08	sadeness_	:-) id3v2 is VERY slow.
18:05:17	sadeness_	I mean to create it.
18:05:20	darkless	I've contemplated retagging with id3v2.4 so I wanted to know if rockbox would handle it.
18:06:21	apo`	AFAIK foobar tags with id3v2.4, and rockbox can read the tags, so...
18:06:38	darkless	yeah, this was partly because the latest foobar release writes id3v2.4 and not id3v2.3 like the old 0.8.3 release did
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18:07:21	preglow	there is a patch for ape mp3 tag support anyway
18:07:22	PaulJam	at least the wps tag for ID3 version includes 2.4, so i guess it is supported.
18:07:26	preglow	which might make its way into rockbox
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18:10:52	idnar	I'm slowly getting rid of all my mp3 files
18:20:01	apo`	Do you transcode them?
18:20:35	idnar	no, just replacing them with better rips (mainly FLAC)
18:21:52	apo`	I don't think that I can find non-MP3 rips for like 1000 albums ^^;
18:22:30	idnar	well, I did say "slowly" ;)
18:22:54	daurnimator	or the hdd space
18:22:56	PaulJam	you don't have to find them, just re-rip your cds.
18:23:23	apo`	PaulJam: Haha.
18:23:35	huerlima	plugins: does anybody know what MAX_PATH stands for?
18:24:20	idnar	I've only got 36GB here atm
18:24:28	idnar	(of music, I mean)
18:24:50	daurnimator	send me some
18:24:51	daurnimator	^_^
18:24:58	daurnimator	i lost most of my mp3s
18:25:03	daurnimator	had to restart colleting
18:25:16	daurnimator	now only got 25gb or so
18:25:24	apo`	I now have 30gb
18:25:36	apo`	Had 90 before... but it's all on my PC with the fried mobo
18:25:39	idnar	my iAudio X5 only has 30GB, so I don't keep everything on there
18:25:48	apo`	And I don't have the money to repair it atm ~_~
18:27:44	Mikachu	why not just move the hd?
18:31:11	apo`	Because I don't have another desktop PC
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18:31:45	PaulJam	you could buy an usb case for the hd.
18:32:09	daurnimator	or.. just plug it in with IDE/SATA
18:32:09	daurnimator	:S
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18:32:57	apo`	[18:31:45] <PaulJam> you could buy an usb case for the hd. < I wanna get the money for repairing my PC
18:33:08	apo`	And I have my favourite music on the notebook, so it's okay..
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18:49:17	tongas	hi, anyone here about ipod 5G?
18:49:26	PhR3aK	someone here with a rockbox'ed ipod nano?
18:50:40	PhR3aK	(tongas): not a 5g, but a nano
18:51:15	sagittarius	hey guys just a quick question. My holidays have just started so I'm looking into playing with the rockbox. I'll read the website, documentation when I have a whole day to myself :D but anyways. was just wandering in what language the plugins are written? C? C++? something else? wouldn't mind compiling something and trying it out hehe
18:51:16	tongas	ha soory!
18:51:31	sagittarius	did i mention i like what rockbox has to offer:D
18:51:44	preglow	c
18:51:49	preglow	c and some assembler
18:52:12	tongas	PhR3aK: do you have problems when connecting ipod to power supply? me: multiple boot
18:52:16	sagittarius	good stuff :D assembler not important, assembling is the easiest part hehe
18:52:27	preglow	99.9% of rockbox is c
18:52:36	PhR3aK	i thought this was a problem already fixed?
18:52:56	PaulJam	tongas: i think you need to hold menu while inserting the usb charger
18:53:09	sagittarius	what about when writting plugins? would I be just writting pure C or is there some sort of "rockbox magic code" to be used as well
18:53:33	tongas	PhR3aK: if i don't, it boots, and boots, and reboots again...
18:53:58	preglow	sagittarius: language is pure c, but you need some rockbox specific code, of course
18:54:00	PhR3aK	(tongas): i think thats because of the fact that you still need the original fw to charge / connect to usb
18:54:03	stripwax	sagittarius - you'd need to get to grips with the plugin interface provided by rockbox, but it's just all in C..
18:54:05	preglow	don't expect stuff like printf to work
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18:54:38	tongas	ah ok, not fully ready yet ?
18:54:50	PhR3aK	and without holding menu down he will always try to boot orig. fw
18:55:33	tongas	so boot in ipod fw before to connect ?
18:55:34	PhR3aK	i think you have to ask this the core dev's of rockbox...
18:55:35	stripwax	tongas - right: rockbox haven't developed a usb file transfer driver yet; so if you want to transfer files you still need the original fw.
18:55:39	sagittarius	nothing beats printf for debugging :D Will look into it all on a fresh day. just want to get general idea now. My first thing will be to just write the famous 'hello world' and will go from there :)
18:55:53	stripwax	but just for charging, you can hold menu and plug in; and ipod will charge while staying in rockbox
18:55:53	preglow	sagittarius: hello.c is already done for you :)
18:56:24	preglow	sagittarius: you still can print to the screen, of course, we also have some other debugging facilitieas
18:56:27	preglow	but sure, go ahead
18:56:28	preglow	and have fun!
18:56:30	preglow	i'm outtie
18:56:34	daurnimator	printk
18:56:35	daurnimator	:P
18:56:41	PhR3aK	(tongas): i think the main problem is that its hard to write a driver for that...
18:56:45	tongas	stripwax: thanks, to PhR too
18:57:29	stripwax	sure. at some point it'll be not necessary- but for now this is how it is for ipod
18:57:46	sagittarius	yeah will read the documentation to get a better idea :) rockbox caught my attention so why not try and write something hehe. I'm sure plenty of people to help out if I get stuck ;)
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19:02:26	sagittarius	btw: is there a list of functions and a description of what they do (provide link?). or do i have to look into the source code and figure out what they do
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19:06:17	daurnimator	rockbox.org
19:06:19	daurnimator	;)
19:07:01	sagittarius	hehehe
19:07:19	freqmod	Logf is a good printf replacement, and printf works in the simulator (on a pc)
19:07:35	daurnimator	does rockbox have printk?
19:07:50	sagittarius	just as good as RTFM. i'm looking through the site though don't seem to be able to find page that lists the available functions
19:08:10	freqmod	plugins.h is a good place to start, I will find it for you
19:08:34	freqmod	http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugin.h?rev=1.179&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
19:08:34	daurnimator	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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19:09:06	sagittarius	downloading the source now, have a quick look inside. too late to start doing anything now, 3am and footbal is still going on hehe
19:09:10	sagittarius	thanks for the links
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19:47:05	dionoea	anyone familiar with this kind of error when loading a plugin in the sim: dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/rockpaint.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/rockpaint.rock: undefined symbol: sim_creat
19:47:09	dionoea	?
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19:55:58	preglow	dionoea: well, sounds like you have an undefined symbol...
19:56:27	dionoea	preglow: ... yeah, but i don't know about any sim_creat ...
19:57:19	Paprica	dionoea, other plugins in the same sim works well?
19:57:24	dionoea	yep :(
19:57:40	dionoea	and mine used to work until 10 minutes ago ... don't know why it doesn't now
19:57:50	dionoea	i must have changed something :)
19:58:02	Paprica	try to compile it again, i donno =\
19:58:11	dionoea	already did that
19:58:47	Paprica	oh
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20:00:15	dionoea	hum ... i guess that i know ...
20:01:13	Paprica	...
20:01:34	dionoea	i moved a function out of the core to the plugin (well, to a lib.)
20:01:45	dionoea	so it doesn't have access to the same kind of functions
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20:11:38	yuriks	heck, how come no one figured USB on the iPod yet?
20:12:06	yuriks	I mean, there's a wiki article on iPL.org explaining how to use it as a HOST
20:15:54	midkay	yuriks, because there's already a disk mode we can use, and time is better spent on making rockbox run well than giving rockbox its own usb mode when we already have access to one..
20:16:11	yuriks	=P
20:16:12	midkay	if you're interested in giving rockbox a usb mode, feel free.
20:16:20	yuriks	rebooting to test FW is very annoiying
20:16:28	daurnimator	midkay: hope killer
20:16:29	daurnimator	;)
20:16:45	midkay	pooooor yuriks, he has to reboot to test his firmware..
20:16:46	midkay	::)
20:16:47	yuriks	ugh, driver code is awesomely ugly and full of ifdefs
20:17:20	daurnimator	yuriks: thats cause theres different archs
20:17:21	daurnimator	:S
20:17:31	yuriks	yeah bu, it is REALLY ugly
20:18:03	yuriks	why not put stuff in something like "drivers/ipod/4g/buttons.c"
20:18:10	yuriks	and just ifdef to include that
20:18:15	Bagder	feel free to do that
20:18:25	Bagder	the x5 is made with that style
20:18:30	Bagder	and it is target for 3.1
20:18:35	Bagder	targeted
20:18:36	yuriks	hmmm, good
20:18:41	Bagder	but then
20:19:06	Bagder	if ifdefs make it hard for you, I don't think that'll help much
20:19:33	*	yuriks just got a goal, after that I'll make a piezzo crystal driver!!1!11!!!one!11!eleven!111
20:19:52	midkay	someone had already made one..
20:20:05	yuriks	yeah?
20:20:18	yuriks	I'm not finding it in the CVS checkout
20:20:22	midkay	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111
20:20:25	midkay	as a patch, i mean.
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20:20:33	yuriks	oh
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20:24:08	yuriks	meh, I'm pretty much useless then -_-
20:24:15	*	yuriks tries to re-work the interface a bit
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20:33:16	yuriks	O_O
20:33:25	yuriks	rockbox code looks fugly for sure
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20:53:45	yuriks	haha, 3 people agree that the rockbox code is a royal mess of mess
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21:14:24	petur	yuriks: no project that has been worked on this long and expanded this much will look perfect
21:14:40	yuriks	well, I don't think ifdefs are the way to go
21:14:54	petur	then what is?
21:15:05	petur	you're a copy/paste man?
21:15:51	petur	sure, the firmware tree needs cleaning up, but that is on the agenda
21:15:58	yuriks	I don't see the linux kernel having craploads of ifdefs, and it is very multiplatform
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21:17:39	petur	the rockbox kernel has little ifdefs too
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21:17:51	dionoea	maybe it's just not intentend to be used on media players with loads of memory/cpu restrictions
21:17:52	petur	rockbox = kernel + drivers + app
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21:18:55	petur	most ifdefs are in drivers and apps in order to share as much code as possible
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21:40:35	LWi	i want to add a splash-screen to the ipod bootloader. for that i need to include the file misc.h for show_logo() and i need to build the corresponding .c files from the logo bitmaps. can anyone help me with the makefile system there? if i just include misc.h it says "not found"
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21:42:57	linuxstb_	LWi: The short answer is that you can't. The bootloader only links with code in the firmware/ directory.
21:43:24	LWi	ah ok
21:43:42	LWi	but i can use the bitmap build system?
21:43:50	LWi	i can copy the show_logo code
21:44:14	preglow	what do you need a picture in the bootloader for?
21:44:57	LWi	preglow: the point is that if the bootloader works well you can't read the messages anyway and it would be nice to have the rockbox logo shown instead
21:45:01	linuxstb_	LWi: The bitmap build system is also in apps/
21:45:25	preglow	i'd rather like the bootloader to not do anything at all with the screen if it works well, but that's just preference, i guess
21:45:36	linuxstb_	LWi: Or just leave the screen blank - it's only there for a second...
21:46:41	LWi	linuxstb_: i already have the logo by copying the show_logo code and and the logo .c file from the non-bootloader build. i just wanted to do it cleaner :-)
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22:00:08	LWi	where are the bitmap settings for the different targets stored?
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22:05:10	linuxstb_	What do you mean by "bitmap settings"? The LCD characteristics?
22:06:10	LWi	linuxstb_: i mean which rockbox logo is used (porbably decided based on the LCD size?!?)
22:06:53	linuxstb_	The SOURCES files in the apps/bitmaps/native/ directory.
22:07:39	linuxstb_	That specifies which .bmp files are converted to .c and linked into Rockbox.
22:07:51	LWi	thanks! exactly what i needed!
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22:34:21	preglow	anyone else agree with me that the startup in recording screen option is redundant?
22:36:27	amiconn	No, why?
22:37:27	preglow	because it does almost nothing
22:37:34	preglow	you save a couple of keypresses, big deal
22:38:01	Mikachu	what if all you're going to do for 2 weeks is recording?
22:38:12	preglow	then you're going to be pressing those buttons a lot
22:38:24	preglow	what if i only want to play games for 2 weeks?
22:38:26	amiconn	Well, this feature was actually implemented on user request iirc
22:38:31	preglow	should we add an option for that too?
22:38:35	preglow	it's redundant and bloats the feature set
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22:38:56	preglow	amiconn: we get a lot of user requests...
22:39:08	amiconn	preglow: With the same reasoning, you could also remove 'resume on startup'
22:39:19	preglow	ok with me
22:39:21	preglow	heh
22:39:37	amiconn	Playback and recording (on devices capable of recording) are core features. Playing games is not
22:39:52	Mikachu	if you remove 'resume on startup' i will be a bit sad, then i'll add it back
22:40:03	preglow	i always resume manually
22:40:11	Mikachu	it saves me 7 seconds every time
22:40:19	Mikachu	i just press menu, turn on hold and put it in my pocket
22:40:30	Mikachu	instead of pressing menu, waiting 7 seconds, pressing play, turn on hold, and put in my pocket
22:40:44	amiconn	Well, I neither use 'recording screen on startup' nor 'resume on startup', but I understand why they're there
22:41:11	preglow	sure, i also understand
22:41:20	amiconn	Mikachu: The wait isn't necessary when rockbox resides in flash. One of the reasons why I still often prefer one of my archoses...
22:41:23	preglow	i still think it's redundant, though
22:41:33	preglow	resume on startup a bit less so
22:41:58	preglow	after the rec screen is booted, you still need to interact further, so you really don't save much time either
22:42:09	Mikachu	well, auto resume is not redundant, please don't remove it. i don't care so much about recording screen since i don't have the capability to record :)
22:42:25	preglow	amiconn: if you only use mp3s anyway i don't see why you would use anything other than archos
22:42:48	preglow	that is, if you weren't a developer, heh
22:43:12	amiconn	Yeah, and the other way 'round, I see not reason switching to a different format than mp3... except maybe a lossless format, if I can afford the necessary space
22:43:50	preglow	i mainly just switched away from it on the basis of there being free formats around
22:43:54	amiconn	mp3 is good quality (with the right encoder and enough bitrate), and it doesn't easily support drm
22:44:01	preglow	plus, i hate mp3 encoding artifacts
22:44:04	preglow	i can hear them instantly
22:44:28	amiconn	I can hear encoding artefacts on any lossy format if it's compressed too much
22:44:35	preglow	yes, of course
22:44:42	preglow	but vorbis encoding artifacts sound much better
22:44:49	preglow	and musepack, for that matter
22:45:16	amiconn	musepack is a special case for me. I don't really trust it
22:45:19	preglow	not claiming that, i'm just saying i can hear mp3 ones extra well
22:45:25	preglow	why not trust it?
22:45:32	preglow	it's basically a souped of layer 2
22:45:36	preglow	and layer 2 is a nice, simple codec
22:46:13	preglow	souped UP, yes
22:46:20	amiconn	Yes, and I strongly doubt that a beefed up layer 2 performs better than layer 3
22:46:30	preglow	in this case it's pretty close
22:46:38	preglow	if you don't think so, i'd urge you to do some tests, you'll be surprised
22:46:50	amiconn	I know that layer 2 sounds fairly good, but you need higher bitrate than layer 3 for the same quality
22:46:58	preglow	this is pretty much what everyone has been saying for a couple of years now
22:47:03	preglow	yes, of course
22:47:08	preglow	but musepack adds tons more coding
22:47:12	amiconn	It also depends on the encoder; of which toolame doesn't seem to be the best choice...
22:47:27	preglow	it does huffman coding, which layer 2does not, it does predictive coding on the coefs, stereo coupling, etc
22:47:43	preglow	toolame isn't very good, no
22:48:03	*	amiconn prefers a rather special encoder for layer 1 and layer 2
22:48:14	amiconn	Pegase... Amiga only :)
22:48:27	preglow	and i actually seem to prefer codecs that don't include an mdct in the signal chain
22:48:51	preglow	you don't get any of those glitchy block artifacts
22:49:34	amiconn	Well, layer 3 also does huffman coding + stereo coupling, and I believe the mdct stuff allows more compression before artefacts get audible
22:49:43	preglow	sure it does
22:50:08	preglow	but it also introduces a whole slew of new possibly encoding artifacts
22:50:17	preglow	if the psymodel is bad, you'll hear it a lot faster
22:50:28	preglow	but anyway
22:50:50	preglow	this is rather pointless, but musepack really does perform a lot better than you'd think it to, just looking at the specs
22:51:54	amiconn	For me, an important point is format support. mp3 is supported by virtually anything. None of the other formats comes close.
22:52:10	preglow	yup, can't argue about that
22:52:29	amiconn	Ogg vorbis is a nice idea, because it's free. Support leaves a lot to be desired...
22:52:36	preglow	but i plan to stick with rockbox for the foreseeable future, so kind of a moot point for me now :)
22:53:17	preglow	vorbis support is very good
22:53:28	preglow	apart from on daps, of course
22:53:35	amiconn	yep
22:53:43	amiconn	That's what I mean
22:53:48	preglow	yep, but there i have no problem
22:53:51	preglow	i'll stick with rockbox
22:54:01	Mikachu	that is the original reason i even use rockbox
22:54:11	preglow	that's the original reason i went iriver
22:54:22	preglow	weren't it for ogg, i would not be here now ;)
22:54:28	Mikachu	yay ogg
22:54:38	Mikachu	or vorbis rather
22:54:43	preglow	yeah, vorbis
22:54:48	Mikachu	ogg mp3 would be fun
22:54:49	preglow	i tend to not think while i write, so it comes out as both
22:54:56	preglow	haha, yeah
22:55:05	preglow	someone's bound to have tried that
22:55:09	preglow	mp3 is really easily wrappable
22:55:37	Mikachu	mplayer lets you put mpeg video in .avi
22:55:41	linuxstb_	mp3-in-MPEG-4 would be a better idea...
22:56:01	amiconn	Re ogg vorbis support - a stock windows installation can play mp3. It cannot play ogg vorbis
22:56:11	preglow	linuxstb_: * in mpeg4 would be a better idea, as far as i can see
22:56:41	Mikachu	mpeg4 iss a muxing format too?
22:56:43	preglow	amiconn: i'm quite sure the xiph guys have tried their very best to make microsoft bundle it
22:56:47	preglow	Mikachu: yea
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22:57:15	preglow	amiconn: a stock ubuntu installation can play vorbis, but not mp3, what's your point :P
22:57:19	amiconn	On linux it's different, I know, but then look at the percentage of installed systems. I have no idea about what MacOS supports
22:57:34	Mikachu	macos would not support vorbis if the fate of the world depended on it
22:57:39	preglow	indeed
22:57:45	amiconn	The last time I looked at MacOS, that was MacOS 7.x
22:57:50	Mikachu	or rather, "even if"
22:57:51	preglow	i've never looked at macos
22:57:52	preglow	heh
22:57:59	preglow	mac os x looks nice, that's all i know
22:58:01	preglow	too bad it's bsd based
22:58:13	Mikachu	i used it once briefly on a prof's computer, it made me very confused
22:58:15	dionoea	the only issue is the one button mouse
22:58:20	dionoea	other than that it's great
22:58:31	dionoea	the interface is awesome
22:58:44	preglow	Mikachu: ahahha, yeah, i had to set up a presentation of mine on a profs laptop running mac os x once
22:59:01	preglow	Mikachu: confused me profusely just doing that
22:59:05	Mikachu	all windows came up maximized and there was no taskbar in sight, i as ilke wtf?
22:59:17	Mikachu	apparently i can't type today
22:59:24	preglow	welcome to my world
22:59:32	Mikachu	i don't even drink alcohol
22:59:52	preglow	oh, i do most of my bad writing while not under any influence
22:59:57	preglow	if not all of it
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23:00:03	amiconn	What I didn't like about MacOS (dunno whether that's changed) is that it restricts you too much. It tries to force you a certain way to do something. Deviating from that way is hard, if not impossible.
23:00:14	preglow	amiconn: it's still like that, afaik
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23:00:20	preglow	just like fucking ipods
23:00:24	preglow	ghah
23:00:39	dionoea	hehe
23:00:47	preglow	retailos sUCKS sO bADLY
23:00:56	amiconn	With linux it's the other way 'round. If you don't know enough about how the system works, it's impossible to do certain things.
23:01:23	preglow	amiconn: gnome based systems are turning the scenario pretty much into the mac os x one
23:01:31	amiconn	Ahahaha
23:01:37	amiconn	Certainly not
23:01:38	preglow	everything is so simplified it's hard to do harder stuff
23:01:41	Mikachu	kde is windows and gnome is macosx
23:02:07	preglow	yeah, more or less
23:02:14	amiconn	I prefer gnome over KDE. The KDE desktop is overloaded
23:02:25	amiconn	I still can do anything in gnome that I can do in KDE
23:02:57	amiconn	Problems start if something doesn't work as intended... which happens way more often on linux than it happens on windows, at least for me
23:03:08	SinceDaysPass	hey is there a way to increase the font size in rockbox?
23:03:10	preglow	so we've heard
23:03:16	Mikachu	if there is a problem in linux, you can solve it, in windows you are usually screwed
23:03:17	preglow	SinceDaysPass: you switch to another font
23:03:39	SinceDaysPass	cool
23:03:49	SinceDaysPass	you know a good website for fonts?
23:03:52	SinceDaysPass	do do any work
23:03:54	preglow	i actually prefer running linux to windows now
23:04:05	preglow	after i switched (for work reasons) about half a year back
23:04:08	amiconn	Mikachu: For me it's usually the other way 'round...
23:04:10	SinceDaysPass	or do any work**
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23:04:14	Mikachu	everytime i use windows, the one thing that drives me crazy first is you can't middle click titlebars to lower windows :)
23:04:35	preglow	Mikachu: hey, i didn't know that...
23:04:57	amiconn	In fact I would like to switch to linux, at least partially. It's simply not possible for me...
23:05:03	Mikachu	about windows or whatever wm you use?
23:05:14	*	Bagder sighs as he cleans out another spamattack from the wiki
23:05:15	preglow	about lowering windows
23:05:23	dionoea	SinceDaysPass: you have to get the fonts from the daily builds page on http://rockbox.org
23:05:50	preglow	i've pretty much switched to linux now, and the only thing i miss about windows, is nicer audio support
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23:06:32	preglow	plus, of course, more games, but i've pretty much given up gaming
23:06:45	amiconn	I don't care about games...
23:06:55	Mikachu	i have a gamecube :)
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23:07:00	preglow	Mikachu: oooh, nice console
23:07:23	SinceDaysPass	i got fonts now thanks, but where do they go? .rockbox/fonts?
23:07:33	Mikachu	i bought it together with my flatmate but he never uses it :)
23:07:35	amiconn	Well, at least not about that kind of games...
23:07:51	dionoea	SinceDaysPass: yep
23:08:03	SinceDaysPass	thank dionoea
23:08:17	*	smably misses foobar2000 :/
23:08:21	*	preglow too
23:08:50	dionoea	xmms is nice
23:08:52	*	amiconn never tried that foobar stuff
23:08:53	preglow	hahahaha
23:09:01	preglow	xmms is crap
23:09:08	preglow	but it's what i use, unfortunately
23:09:10	*	Mikachu uses audacious
23:09:12	dionoea	lol
23:09:24	Mikachu	(http://audacious-media-player.org/Main_Page)
23:09:25	dionoea	i use xmms / vlc
23:09:25	preglow	foobar2k is the best
23:09:26	preglow	no doubt
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23:09:38	amiconn	preglow: The best for what?
23:09:50	SinceDaysPass	dionoea: do you know of any good themes? or where to find some? ive looked but i cant find much
23:09:52	Seed	the best player on any OS
23:09:56	preglow	amiconn: music
23:09:58	*	Bagder uses xmms and doesn't even understand what those other players could possibly add to motivate a awitch
23:10:02	preglow	Mikachu: doesn't look too bad
23:10:05	dionoea	SinceDaysPass: rockbox-themes.org i think
23:10:07	amiconn	preglow: What does it support?
23:10:09	preglow	Mikachu: qt/gtk?
23:10:13	preglow	amiconn: everything, pretty much
23:10:22	preglow	amiconn: nice minimal native ui
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23:10:25	*	amiconn uses DeliPlayer - if he's playing music on the PC, which rarely happens
23:10:31	preglow	haha
23:10:34	SinceDaysPass	god damn, thanks so much dinonea
23:10:39	dionoea	:)
23:10:39	preglow	it doesn't beat deliplayer at formats support
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23:11:22	amiconn	Most of the time I use one of my DAPs for playing music. I don't even store my music collection on the PC
23:11:23	linuxstb_	Bagder: Lack of gapless is my main gripe with xmms
23:11:26	Mikachu	preglow: gtk2. indirectly based on xmms
23:11:36	preglow	hrm
23:11:42	preglow	doesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos
23:11:45	Bagder	I never cared much about gapless ;-)
23:11:56	preglow	about 30% of my music needs gapless
23:12:45	crwl	xmms supports gapless just fine if you use the xmms-crossfade output plugin
23:12:57	crwl	you can set it to have gapless transitions in automatic song change
23:13:23	crwl	it probably isn't included by default but at least debian and ubuntu package it
23:13:32	Bagder	well, that doesn't really count as proper gapless imho
23:13:37	crwl	well, why not?
23:13:40	preglow	crwl: ubuntu doesn't
23:13:42	Bagder	because it should to it always
23:13:45	Bagder	do it
23:13:53	Bagder	without needing weird options enabled
23:13:54	crwl	preglow, it does, in the universe repo
23:14:03	crwl	whatever, weird options or not, it works :P
23:14:18	Bagder	with a _crossfading_ plugin
23:14:19	preglow	crwl: then how come i can't find it?
23:14:28	preglow	bah
23:14:32	preglow	you're talking about xmms?
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23:14:45	crwl	xmms
23:14:48	preglow	that's included with _everything_
23:14:49	linuxstb_	crwl: That's a hack - it's not useful when you have a collection of different samplerates because it will always resample.
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23:15:22	crwl	linuxstb_, well, i don't think i have a single 48 kHz file in my >7000 song collection
23:15:35	linuxstb_	I do though...
23:15:50	crwl	not that I used xmms either any more
23:16:41	crwl	amarok still can't do proper gapless even tough they advertise it can, but otherwise it beats any other solution available, imho
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23:18:07	SinceDaysPass	hey dionoea how can i get back to the root folder in rockbox?
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23:18:29	dionoea	SinceDaysPass: read the manual :)
23:18:36	SinceDaysPass	i looked
23:18:37	dionoea	or click on the left arrow
23:18:39	SinceDaysPass	:(
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23:18:57	SinceDaysPass	i cant have music playing?
23:19:06	dionoea	yes you can
23:19:28	SinceDaysPass	if i hit the back arrow i just go music page
23:19:58	dionoea	hit the menu key
23:20:11	dionoea	(try all the keys)
23:20:28	SinceDaysPass	ha i got it
23:20:33	SinceDaysPass	thanks again
23:21:21	SinceDaysPass	then changing fonts will always mess up my themes right?
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23:21:54	preglow	Mikachu: giving audacious a spin now
23:21:56	preglow	if it compiles, that is
23:22:00	Mikachu	heh
23:22:14	NeoMike	So lets say I had a broken wps and it happened to set a white font on a white background - Anyone have any suggestions on getting it to use a different WPS without being able to see the screen?
23:22:20	NeoMike	or even make it fall back to default?
23:23:12	Bagder	NeoMike: clear settings at startup
23:23:27	NeoMike	tried deleting the offending wps and everything related to it, and it still boots up using it
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23:23:41	NeoMike	hrm
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23:23:52	reverendnathan	Hello,
23:23:54	NeoMike	Bagder will give it a try
23:24:46	preglow	default skin looks like a bag of shit
23:24:53	reverendnathan	I'm using Linux, and I'm installing Rockbox to a iPod Video. Everything has gone smoothly, but the bootloader will not transfer back to the iPod at /dev/sdb1. Do I need to mount it?
23:25:23	linuxstb_	What happens when you try to write it?
23:26:11	reverendnathan	I'll show you the output. Basically it shows a transfer log, but it transfers 0.0 Kb
23:26:37	ep0ch_	i think the "startup in recording screen" option should go and be replaced with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5049
23:26:39	linuxstb_	Obvious question, but how big is your rockboot.bin?
23:26:59	preglow	Mikachu: why does everyone have to clone the bloody winamp interface ://///////////////
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23:27:17	Mikachu	i told you it was based on xmms
23:27:20	NeoMike	Bagder: it worked, thanks :-)
23:27:28	preglow	it's based on beep, not xmms
23:27:47	Mikachu	my exact words were it is based indirectly on xmms
23:27:51	preglow	haha
23:27:52	preglow	still
23:27:59	Mikachu	beep is a fork of xmms
23:28:04	preglow	people should stop cloning the old winamp interface
23:28:06	preglow	it's fugly
23:28:16	preglow	player in itself seems decent, though
23:28:20	Mikachu	i usually have it minimized
23:28:35	reverendnathan	linuxstb_ eek! It's 0KB! What step did I mess up on? :-o
23:29:07	linuxstb_	Could be any... Firstly, how big is the bootpartition.bin file?
23:31:18	reverendnathan	Ok, that fixed that problem.
23:31:45	reverendnathan	Now, when I try to combine bootloaders, I get this error
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23:31:51	reverendnathan	Cannot open loader image file bootloader-video.bin
23:32:21	linuxstb_	You need to download it from the wiki page and put it in the directory you're working in.
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23:33:02	PhR3aK	anyone here with a rockbox'ed ipod nano?
23:33:06	reverendnathan	There we go!
23:33:10	reverendnathan	That did that
23:33:13	reverendnathan	Now to test my iPod
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23:33:51	reverendnathan	By the way, I could never get my iPod to unmount with nautilus, amaroK, or Konquerer. What's with that?
23:34:21	reverendnathan	Oh, crap
23:34:42	reverendnathan	Now I get an error on my iPod: http://www.apple.com/support/ipod and a forlder with an error icon
23:34:53	freqmod	fuser -a gives all used processes
23:35:20	freqmod	use ipod restore, or try to set the write firmware again (check what you've done)
23:35:29	freqmod	*try to write the firmware
23:35:44	reverendnathan	Alright
23:35:46	reverendnathan	Imma try again
23:35:55	linuxstb_	reverendnathan: (repeating my earlier question) how big is your bootpartition.bin?
23:36:02	linuxstb_	(don't do anything else)
23:36:10	reverendnathan	39.2 MB
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23:36:40	PhR3aK	what is the batterylife about on a ipod nano playing mp3's?
23:36:50	linuxstb_	That should be either 80MB or 112MB depending on if you have the 30GB or 60GB video. But it may not be a problem...
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23:37:05	linuxstb_	How big are your apple_os.bin and the other apple_ file?
23:38:21	freqmod	PhR3aK: Much more than a video... (my nano was destroyed, I was not impressed with the video afterwards)
23:38:35	preglow	w000t
23:38:39	preglow	functioning psf support
23:39:15	PhR3aK	has it something to do with the fact that the nano uses flash storage?
23:40:33	PhR3aK	(freqmod): could you give me a number (just roughly)
23:40:41	freqmod	btw. now speex seek & next track works (but not with crossfade (SEGFAULT) or GCC 4.0.3 on ipod:(, gives the sound of silence).
23:41:13	freqmod	a bit less than with the original firmware
23:41:23	freqmod	is my impression
23:41:34	PhR3aK	so like more than 10hrs?
23:41:39	linuxstb_	PhR3aK: Try the IpodRuntime wiki page.
23:42:14	freqmod	i am seeking much, and restarting ipod degrades preformance
23:42:58	freqmod	(soft) sleep in the ipod firmware degrades my battery as if it is on :S
23:43:04	PhR3aK	(linuxstb_): thats why i'm asking, they were just tests with ogg at high quality... and i thougt that the mp3 support might be more optimized?
23:43:45	linuxstb_	No, Ogg performs better than MP3 at the moment. But I wouldn't expect a big difference in runtime.
23:43:52	preglow	Mikachu: this thing is quite a bit sweeter than xmms, thanks for the suggestion
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23:46:08	PhR3aK	(linuxstb_): ok thx... but you can say that the nano runs longer than the hdd based ipod's... has this smth to do with the fact that theres (for example) no hdd spinup and stuff?
23:46:52	PhR3aK	because its flash storage based
23:46:54	freqmod	yes it runs longer, especially when rebooting, or seeking much
23:47:05	reverendnathan	OK
23:47:07	reverendnathan	That doesn't work
23:47:18	reverendnathan	Not only do I not have rockbox, I don't have apple's firmware!
23:47:47	preglow	Mikachu: it crashes when i try to load skins, though...
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23:48:55	freqmod	ipod updater allways works (you may want to fool it to think that the firmware is of an other version, so it won't reset the HD)
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23:52:53	PhR3aK	(freqmod): so do you think that i could completely swich to rockbox on my nano? without fears that it weares down my battery?
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23:54:11	freqmod	yes, I don't think that would be a problem, but if you have both firmwares you could try to measure the difference yourself
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23:56:17	PhR3aK	yeah but it kinda sucks because rockbox cant read the files that apple reads and vice versa
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23:56:36	linuxstb_	Have you tried TagCache?
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23:57:06	amiconn	PhR3aK: Afaik the mini g2 is the ipod model with the longest runtime under rockbox
23:57:10	amiconn	9..10 hours
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