| 00:00:04 | Bagder | but speaks swedish |
| 00:00:11 | that_asian_guy | you know him? |
| 00:00:17 | Mikachu | linusis torvivaldis |
| 00:00:17 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:00:28 | Bagder | we have our own Linus |
| 00:01:35 | that_asian_guy | and he's swedish? |
| 00:01:41 | that_asian_guy | right? |
| 00:01:44 | preglow | yes |
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| 00:02:25 | preglow | Mikachu: you're doing cs at uni, i assume? |
| 00:03:20 | Mikachu | engineer in physics |
| 00:03:32 | Mikachu | i take cs courses when i need free credits |
| 00:03:36 | preglow | ahh |
| 00:03:58 | preglow | what cs courses i looked at seemed extremely boring |
| 00:04:02 | preglow | the only one i did was |
| 00:04:21 | that_asian_guy | so i'm assuming only about half the conversation here is actually about rockbox? |
| 00:04:26 | Mikachu | i've done 3d programming and one in mips assembler |
| 00:04:37 | preglow | that_asian_guy: varies |
| 00:04:46 | Bagder | that_asian_guy: it varies over time... but it tends to be a mix of everything |
| 00:04:47 | Mikachu | and one about "algorithms and data structures" |
| 00:04:49 | Bagder | with a rockbox touch |
| 00:04:50 | preglow | right now there's not much coding going on |
| 00:04:54 | Mikachu | but only because it's needed for other more interesting ones |
| 00:04:58 | preglow | Mikachu: i took that one, bored myself to death |
| 00:05:13 | preglow | they made me use python! |
| 00:05:17 | Mikachu | i don't like the cs department of lth, they use java too much |
| 00:05:27 | Mikachu | we used python in the 3d programming course :) |
| 00:05:44 | Mikachu | the code they gave us was very strange and slow |
| 00:05:47 | preglow | i did electronics, so my school coding was c and asm |
| 00:05:54 | preglow | which fit me perfectly, because i knew them :> |
| 00:05:55 | Mikachu | had to throw some psyco on it |
| 00:06:20 | preglow | nothing like free excellent grades |
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| 00:10:01 | Mikachu | preglow: are you done with uni? |
| 00:10:06 | preglow | yeap |
| 00:10:14 | that_asian_guy | oh yeah, my mom is a programmer for northrop grumman, knows c, c++, java, everything, and i asked her if she could help with rockbox and she said she could take a look at the source and help a little if she had time |
| 00:10:15 | preglow | been so for a year's time |
| 00:10:30 | Mikachu | ah |
| 00:10:43 | Mikachu | my mom got me into programming :) |
| 00:10:52 | preglow | i got myself into programming :> |
| 00:10:55 | Bagder | you youngsters |
| 00:11:18 | petur | same here, didn't even get C at school, just cobol and pascal |
| 00:11:29 | preglow | ahh, pascal |
| 00:11:36 | preglow | my first "real" language |
| 00:11:38 | that_asian_guy | when i have nothing to do, i poke around her vast collection of books on programming :) |
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| 00:12:05 | that_asian_guy | that's how i know a little bit about c and stuff |
| 00:12:25 | that_asian_guy | :D |
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| 00:13:21 | PhR3aK | how can i charge my ipod via ac adapter? |
| 00:13:28 | preglow | you plug it in |
| 00:13:38 | PhR3aK | but then rockbox starts |
| 00:13:43 | Mikachu | you probably want to boot apple os first |
| 00:14:28 | that_asian_guy | you have to have your ipod on to charge |
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| 00:14:54 | PhR3aK | but i have a problem, when i start the apple fw, i have to reset it after charging, otherwise rockbox wont boot (apple fw doesnt have a off function) |
| 00:15:04 | Mikachu | yes, that isn't a problem |
| 00:15:14 | that_asian_guy | cant solve that |
| 00:15:28 | that_asian_guy | unless you wait for it to go into power off after a long time |
| 00:16:00 | PhR3aK | ok... but is it otherwise no problem to keep my ipod on (rockbox bootet) while charging? |
| 00:16:25 | that_asian_guy | um what do you mean? |
| 00:16:34 | PhR3aK | sry for my english |
| 00:16:39 | Mikachu | iiuc, we don't know how to make charging go fast yet, so if you listen to music while charging, you could run out |
| 00:16:43 | that_asian_guy | its not a problem to have rockbox on while u charge |
| 00:16:45 | Mikachu | but if you just idle it should be fine |
| 00:16:54 | Mikachu | it should still go faster in apple os though |
| 00:16:59 | that_asian_guy | not really |
| 00:17:00 | preglow | Bagder: btw, any new talk about an sdk? |
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| 00:17:04 | Mikachu | someone correct me if i'm wrong |
| 00:17:06 | * | amiconn just plugs USB for charging. Yes, rockbox will boot first, but drop into diskmode because it sees USB connected. The I let it charge in diskmode |
| 00:17:19 | Bagder | preglow: been silent from him since I mailed him my latest questions |
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| 00:17:25 | preglow | Bagder: sounds good |
| 00:17:34 | that_asian_guy | sdk? |
| 00:17:38 | Mikachu | so if they want to send out more free devices, give them my address |
| 00:17:45 | that_asian_guy | oh well wont bother with the dev talk |
| 00:18:00 | preglow | least they could do is fix up their bootloader to support rockbox |
| 00:18:09 | PhR3aK | i mean, for example, i wanna charge my ipod the night over... so what should i do, can i let rockbox run? so does he charge in the background while rockbox is running |
| 00:18:14 | that_asian_guy | yeah |
| 00:18:18 | Bagder | preglow: I suggested that as an alternative |
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| 00:18:25 | Mikachu | post a slashdot story "sandisk refuses to cooperate" |
| 00:18:30 | Mikachu | maybe that will get their attention |
| 00:18:30 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:18:44 | amiconn | Rockbox charges only slowly. |
| 00:18:53 | that_asian_guy | phreak: you can turn rockbox on and let it run overnight |
| 00:19:00 | preglow | well, beh |
| 00:19:01 | preglow | bed time |
| 00:19:03 | preglow | good night |
| 00:19:06 | Mikachu | god nat |
| 00:19:12 | that_asian_guy | bed time? |
| 00:19:18 | that_asian_guy | oh wait sweden nvm |
| 00:19:24 | Mikachu | norway, but same time zone |
| 00:19:25 | preglow | norway, at least |
| 00:19:33 | preglow | but yeah, gnatt |
| 00:20:03 | PhR3aK | does rockbox have a kind of sleep option... or idle? i mean while the unit is charging and not used? |
| 00:20:09 | that_asian_guy | no |
| 00:20:14 | that_asian_guy | but it will probably |
| 00:20:29 | PhR3aK | btw i have an ipod nano |
| 00:20:39 | PhR3aK | but i think that doesnt matter |
| 00:20:40 | that_asian_guy | nope |
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| 00:23:14 | PhR3aK | ok thanks so far... good night |
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| 00:24:12 | that_asian_guy | so wait, my mom said she would mess around with the source a little, so what should she work on |
| 00:24:53 | Mikachu | there are plenty of bugs to choose from in the tracker |
| 00:25:22 | that_asian_guy | what do you think is important and wouldnt take that much time? |
| 00:25:36 | Mikachu | i don't know |
| 00:26:00 | that_asian_guy | oh yeah mikachu, what's your forum name? |
| 00:26:08 | Mikachu | i don't use forums |
| 00:26:12 | that_asian_guy | oh ok |
| 00:27:22 | that_asian_guy | wonder if bagder's still on |
| 00:27:34 | * | Bagder blinks |
| 00:27:39 | Mikachu | possibly |
| 00:28:06 | * | Bagder sits reading work stuff |
| 00:28:27 | that_asian_guy | which bug should my mom work on? |
| 00:28:39 | Bagder | that_asian_guy: one that she feels like having a go at! |
| 00:28:52 | Bagder | or you can pick one for her! |
| 00:29:02 | that_asian_guy | k whatever i'll just show her flyspray |
| 00:29:23 | Genre9mp3 | My mom doesn't know what a PC is! :) |
| 00:29:26 | Bagder | "here mom, the evil guys in #rockbox said you could never solve this one: [URL]" |
| 00:29:42 | Bagder | you need to put some preasure ;-) |
| 00:29:54 | that_asian_guy | lol |
| 00:30:03 | crashd | i vote ipod battery ;) |
| 00:30:17 | that_asian_guy | too many things to optimize |
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| 00:30:26 | that_asian_guy | to make the battery better |
| 00:31:57 | Genre9mp3 | I'll ask my mom to bake some cookies for the Rockbox devs! :P |
| 00:32:10 | Genre9mp3 | That's all you should expect from my mom... |
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| 00:32:31 | Mikachu | home made cookies are much better than bug fixes |
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| 00:33:10 | that_asian_guy | oh so now his mom is better than mine? |
| 00:33:12 | * | petur bakes his own cookies |
| 00:33:15 | Genre9mp3 | Yes...we could sit and eat them during that endless feature freeze! ;) |
| 00:33:21 | that_asian_guy | :D |
| 00:33:22 | Mikachu | that_asian_guy: your mom can't bake cookies? |
| 00:33:28 | that_asian_guy | no |
| 00:33:33 | Mikachu | then yes, his is better |
| 00:33:39 | that_asian_guy | i dont think shes ever baked cookies |
| 00:33:39 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:34:02 | that_asian_guy | in fact, i don't think ive had a cookie in a long time |
| 00:34:33 | that_asian_guy | at least my mom knows what a pc is |
| 00:34:41 | Mikachu | personal cookie |
| 00:34:51 | that_asian_guy | then what's a mac? |
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| 00:34:59 | Bagder | my alternative cookie! |
| 00:35:40 | that_asian_guy | so im typing this on a personal cookie right now? |
| 00:37:07 | * | Bagder got his hands on an NDA'd document about a(nother) dual-core microcontroller |
| 00:37:13 | hardeep | hmmm, what are the serious playback/voice bugs that are preventing us from releasing 3.0? Looking at flyspray and the wiki page, I don't see anything that I'd classify as such... |
| 00:37:30 | Mikachu | i think there are three critical bugs marked for 3.0 |
| 00:37:34 | Mikachu | one of them is the playback one |
| 00:37:54 | hardeep | Mikachu: which playback one? |
| 00:38:10 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2687 |
| 00:38:36 | hardeep | that's one i'd say we could fix after 3.0 (in fact, that's what it says on the wiki page) |
| 00:38:51 | hardeep | it's a fairly special case |
| 00:38:53 | lostlogic | that's not critical |
| 00:38:56 | that_asian_guy | fix after 3.0? |
| 00:38:57 | lostlogic | and it's hugely difficult to fix |
| 00:38:58 | Mikachu | ooh, lostlogic |
| 00:39:04 | lostlogic | :-P |
| 00:39:05 | * | Bagder bounces |
| 00:39:09 | Mikachu | lostlogic: go fix bugs |
| 00:39:15 | lostlogic | Mikachu: no. |
| 00:39:16 | Mikachu | :P |
| 00:39:34 | that_asian_guy | i dunno if ppl will like an official release that still has bugs in it |
| 00:39:44 | goffa | my two cents: its pretty damn stable |
| 00:39:52 | goffa | and it will NEVER be without some bugs |
| 00:40:01 | hardeep | that_asian_guy: the software will always have bugs |
| 00:40:16 | that_asian_guy | i know but that's one that will be noticed a lot |
| 00:40:37 | hardeep | sure, and i don't think this is one of them |
| 00:40:42 | lostlogic | the rewind in the last few seconds is because the codec has already started decoding the next track. I tried a couple of solutions at various times, but none of them satisfied KISS, and I never got any of them to work properly. |
| 00:41:03 | linuxstb | Could we disable rewind at that point? |
| 00:41:11 | Mikachu | or make the wps show the next track |
| 00:41:23 | lostlogic | Mikachu: we make the WPS show the next track when you hear the next track |
| 00:41:23 | hardeep | no, wps should definitely not show the next track |
| 00:41:29 | hardeep | but disabling might not be a bad idea |
| 00:41:30 | Mikachu | how large is the time window with the default buffer sizes? |
| 00:41:30 | lostlogic | linuxstb: yes, we could do that without much difficulty. |
| 00:41:35 | lostlogic | Mikachu: 3s |
| 00:41:36 | lostlogic | ish |
| 00:42:16 | hardeep | alright, any other issues aside from this rewind one that need to be fixed? |
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| 00:42:40 | that_asian_guy | why not just not decode the next song until it actually gets to it |
| 00:42:42 | Mikachu | any solution that makes the interface not throw up on itself would be good with me |
| 00:42:56 | Mikachu | that_asian_guy: gapless |
| 00:43:05 | lostlogic | hardeep, is the .talk clips bug still alive, that sounds unhappy. |
| 00:43:33 | hardeep | lostlogic: i just noticed that one, will have to look into it |
| 00:43:40 | that_asian_guy | there'll be a slight pause sure, but that's one that will be fixed as more optimizations occur |
| 00:43:51 | that_asian_guy | to mikachu |
| 00:43:54 | lostlogic | hardeep: you rock, seriously. and I suck for dropping the ball on playback :( |
| 00:43:56 | Mikachu | lostlogic: does skipping still work fine in that window? |
| 00:44:10 | Mikachu | that_asian_guy: the pause will only be gone if you start decoding the next track before the current ends |
| 00:44:23 | that_asian_guy | o |
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| 00:44:33 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I believe skipping behaves as though the new track is playing, so a skip back starts the new track and a skip forward starts the following track |
| 00:44:36 | lostlogic | Mikachu: but I've not tested it |
| 00:44:42 | Mikachu | okay |
| 00:45:16 | * | linuxstb wonders what happens if you seek during a crossfade. |
| 00:45:33 | that_asian_guy | am i the only non-dev here? |
| 00:45:38 | Mikachu | that_asian_guy: no, me too |
| 00:46:01 | that_asian_guy | well l8r g2g |
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| 00:47:08 | hardeep | okay, that's two bugs that need to be look into. I'm trying to make a realistic list so we can get this darned release out... anything else? |
| 00:47:28 | Mikachu | is the wiki release page outdated? |
| 00:47:42 | hardeep | yes |
| 00:47:44 | Bagder | I believe there's a few button names in the language file(s) to fix |
| 00:48:22 | linuxstb | The remote support should also be finished - it's bad to enter a screen via the remote which you then can't leave without going back to the main unit. |
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| 00:49:08 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: eg. when going to jpeg viewer... |
| 00:49:23 | linuxstb | The plugins will be harder to fix... |
| 00:49:59 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be sort of silly to enter a plugin with the remote? |
| 00:50:49 | Genre9mp3 | Mikachu: at least if you do that you should have an escape button |
| 00:50:53 | linuxstb | Thinking from a user's point of view, I don't think so, no. |
| 00:50:58 | Febs | Just because it's silly doesn't mean people won't do it. |
| 00:51:15 | Mikachu | i was thinking you could block the ability and pop up something like "you can only open plugins from the main unit" |
| 00:51:45 | Genre9mp3 | What happens to me often, is to select jpgs by mistake with my remote |
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| 00:51:59 | Genre9mp3 | Very annoying |
| 00:52:23 | Mikachu | i cleverly keep all pics in /pics |
| 00:52:47 | Genre9mp3 | I some times have 1-2 jpgs in an album folder |
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| 00:58:10 | hardeep | alright, i've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo with the remaining issues. Please update as you see fit. |
| 00:58:51 | lostlogic | linuxstb: seeking during crossfade is 'ok' because when a crossfade starts, the playing track info is on the fade-in track. |
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| 01:37:48 | XavierGr | we could always right in each and every plugin code that will accept the stop button of remote. |
| 01:37:53 | XavierGr | but that sounds hackish |
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| 03:08:01 | josh | any of the programmers in here? |
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| 03:12:49 | Mikachu | josh: why? |
| 03:13:29 | josh | I wanted to work on the Ipod 3rd gen port that got abandoned, last I heard it was only a small issue remaining but none of the devs had 3rd gens |
| 03:13:39 | josh | needed to know more about where the problem resided |
| 03:14:13 | Mikachu | oh okay, can't help there |
| 03:14:49 | josh | well, maybe you can help track the problem? |
| 03:15:00 | josh | you know the rockbox codebase? |
| 03:15:08 | Mikachu | not much of the hardware side |
| 03:16:39 | josh | ah |
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| 03:50:10 | josh | any of the programmers come unidle recently? |
| 03:55:00 | midkay_ | josh, if you have a question, you can ask.. maybe someone else (even I) can answer, or they can get back to you when they return if they aren't here at the moment. |
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| 03:57:30 | josh | Alright, I'm trying to work out the Ipod 3rd Gen port. I have no experiance with the Rockbox code so I don't know what errors lead me to different places. I can't find a good overview of the codebase |
| 03:59:11 | midkay_ | any compile errors should tell you where they came from (usually even what line of what file they're on).. there unfortunately aren't that many docs overviewing the source code, you just have to kind of look around. |
| 03:59:29 | midkay_ | have you checked the wiki? and do you have any more specific questions? |
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| 04:00:06 | josh | compiles fine |
| 04:00:22 | midkay_ | so.. what errors are you talking about? |
| 04:00:24 | josh | the port was almost complete, theres an issue in the audio playback |
| 04:00:33 | midkay_ | right, audio doesn't work. |
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| 04:01:44 | josh | and the ipod telling me unkown instuction at xxxxxxxx dosn't help that much. Did i do something wrong with the debug version? cause i cant find the log file it said it was supposed to output |
| 04:02:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | At XXXXXXXX tells you plenty. |
| 04:02:53 | midkay_ | oh.. well, you'd probably want to talk to someone else about that. undefined instructions might give you an address to check in the rockbox.map file.. look for it in your build dir /apps, i think. |
| 04:02:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can look up the address in the .map file |
| 04:03:19 | josh | see, these are the kind of things i need to know ;P |
| 04:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not sure about the log file thing though |
| 04:10:12 | josh | hmmm, different error each time through |
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| 04:12:54 | midkay_ | what induces the error? |
| 04:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if it's the playback error that's plaguing the 4Gs as well? |
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| 04:14:34 | rocko | hi.. |
| 04:14:42 | rocko | i have a question about rockbox on my ipod photo |
| 04:15:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Go ahead 'n ask |
| 04:15:06 | josh | playing induces the error |
| 04:15:23 | josh | any MP3 |
| 04:15:27 | rocko | when i plug it in, it doesn't come up like it used to |
| 04:15:39 | josh | need to throw it into diskmode |
| 04:16:16 | rocko | how? |
| 04:16:20 | rocko | i didn't know i turned it off. |
| 04:16:33 | josh | im not sure on a photo |
| 04:17:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | rocko: What does it do instead? |
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| 04:18:48 | rocko | i don't know |
| 04:18:56 | rocko | it says "Do not disconnect" for about 10 seconds |
| 04:19:05 | rocko | then it has the check mark "Ok to disconnect" |
| 04:19:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | And this is when you connect it to your computer? |
| 04:19:40 | rocko | yep |
| 04:19:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds like you have iTunes set to autosync and eject when done. |
| 04:21:03 | rocko | so what do i gotta do |
| 04:21:06 | rocko | delete itunes? |
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| 04:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | rocko: Or... just change the settings in it. |
| 04:22:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really up to you. |
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| 04:25:34 | rocko | i don't know how to do it paul :( |
| 04:25:44 | rocko | i'm in the settings and i don't see anything about the ipod like that |
| 04:26:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd actually right-click on your iPod in iTunes and choose properties I think |
| 04:26:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really know much about iTunes, as I don't use it. |
| 04:26:23 | rocko | yeah .. but my ipod doesn't show up in there. |
| 04:26:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you rebooted it into the Apple OS and tried connecting there? |
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| 04:28:19 | josh | i guess he thought you wanted him to reboot your computer? |
| 04:28:22 | josh | *his |
| 04:31:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, it's not really a Rockbox issue. All our software does is reboot it to disk mode when the USB is detected, so any not-working he's describing is taking place in the Apple firmware |
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| 04:42:50 | rotator | anyone care to test a patch? I've fixed a problem with wav playback, but it need some testing: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3381.0 |
| 04:43:13 | rotator | oops, real link: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5602 |
| 04:43:31 | rotator | this first link is to the forum post describing the problem |
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| 05:44:19 | bancus | Hey, is it just me, or does the iAudio X5 not charge at all when it's playing? It seems like the original firmware could. |
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| 06:31:45 | midkay_ | bancus, well, depends on how the X5 charges. either way, rockbox seems to draw such power that charging from within has little or no effect.. this is certainly a problem on iPods, where you can barely even maintain a constant battery level while charging and playing music. |
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| 07:04:08 | Zweiundvierzig | Morning |
| 07:14:40 | dongs | midkay_: lol orly |
| 07:14:56 | dongs | Jungti1234: hiii |
| 07:15:10 | midkay_ | sigh, not dongs again.. |
| 07:15:11 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 07:16:23 | Zweiundvierzig | where you can barely even maintain a constant battery level while charging and playing music. < Oh, really? |
| 07:16:31 | Zweiundvierzig | I can charge it just fine while playing music |
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| 07:17:18 | midkay_ | Zweiundvierzig, what model? and nearly as fast as you would when in disk mode or apple's OS? |
| 07:17:58 | Zweiundvierzig | 4g greyscale, dunno coz I always load at night and then it's charged in the morning |
| 07:18:21 | midkay_ | you leave it *playing music* while you charge it overnight in Rockbox? |
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| 07:18:26 | Zweiundvierzig | Yeah |
| 07:18:43 | Zweiundvierzig | I like to listen to classical music while falling asleep |
| 07:19:18 | midkay | and it's still playing when you wake? |
| 07:19:24 | Zweiundvierzig | Sure |
| 07:20:57 | midkay | interesting.. well, sometime within the past month, i noticed some devs discussing it.. amiconn i think reported a battery level lower than when charging began an hour before. |
| 07:21:06 | midkay | oh, are you charging via USB or a wall outlet? |
| 07:21:13 | Zweiundvierzig | Wall outlet |
| 07:21:25 | midkay | could make a difference.. *shrugs* |
| 07:21:33 | Zweiundvierzig | I think when playing at full volume it takes about 4 hours to recharge... |
| 07:21:57 | Zweiundvierzig | Perhaps *shrugs too* |
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| 07:24:23 | Zweiundvierzig | Meh... I should try recognizing the names of all those songs sometime... |
| 07:25:01 | Zweiundvierzig | (I've got an OST of an anime, and it's like 99% just classical music with a new name sticked onto it....) |
| 07:25:20 | dongs | sounds like.. final craptasy OST |
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| 07:25:25 | dongs | prime candidate for recycle bin |
| 07:25:29 | Zweiundvierzig | Nah |
| 07:26:37 | Zweiundvierzig | 和田薫 - [Princess Tutu Konzert 1.Akt #05] 「ãã‚‹ã¿å‰²ã‚Šäººå½¢ã€ã“ã†ãºã„ç³–ã®è¸Šã‚Š (Kurumi Wari Ningyo Kompeitono Odori) < ^^ |
| 07:26:52 | Zweiundvierzig | This one's Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy, Tchaikovsky |
| 07:28:05 | Zweiundvierzig | Time for school... see you |
| 07:28:10 | dongs | huuhuhuhu |
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| 07:30:49 | muesli|delhi | banzai dongs |
| 07:30:55 | dongs | HI |
| 07:33:29 | Jungti1234 | muesli|delhi: hahaha |
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| 07:34:30 | muesli|delhi | Jungti1234 konischuwa ;) |
| 07:34:37 | Jungti1234 | no |
| 07:34:46 | Jungti1234 | annyoung haseyo |
| 07:35:12 | muesli|delhi | hai! |
| 07:35:15 | Jungti1234 | −− |
| 07:35:23 | Jungti1234 | 'nae' |
| 07:35:54 | Jungti1234 | koizumi |
| 07:35:58 | dongs | 'dongs' |
| 07:36:07 | dongs | more like ddong, amirite |
| 07:36:10 | muesli|delhi | harakiri |
| 07:36:15 | Jungti1234 | ddong is.. |
| 07:36:20 | dongs | you should know |
| 07:36:39 | Jungti1234 | It is excrement to Korean meaning. |
| 07:36:42 | dongs | ya. |
| 07:36:46 | dongs | correct. |
| 07:36:49 | Jungti1234 | hahaha |
| 07:37:07 | Jungti1234 | you know korean? |
| 07:37:14 | Jungti1234 | A little? |
| 07:37:20 | dongs | not rly. but enough to be DANGEROUS. |
| 07:37:30 | scorche | dongs: wow....makes so much sense |
| 07:37:48 | scorche | =) |
| 07:38:01 | Jungti1234 | hehe |
| 07:43:43 | muesli|delhi | what does *SCNR* means btw? |
| 07:44:23 | dongs | sorry could not resistS? |
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| 07:56:45 | muesli|delhi | dongs thx ;) |
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| 08:11:50 | muesli|delhi | btw http://www.hornoxe.de/page.php?60 |
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| 08:43:02 | davidc__ | hey, any of the rockbox devs that work on the ipod around? |
| 08:43:12 | davidc__ | preglow / linuxstb ? |
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| 08:45:32 | linuxstb | davidc__: Yes, I'm around. |
| 08:45:50 | davidc__ | linuxstb: I've got a 4 letter word I'd like to share with you: |
| 08:45:51 | davidc__ | Jtag! |
| 08:45:55 | davidc__ | :D |
| 08:46:12 | linuxstb | I assume you're not just saying the word? |
| 08:46:18 | davidc__ | nope, not |
| 08:46:28 | davidc__ | I just got an ipod 4G logic board talking |
| 08:46:32 | davidc__ | can see both arm cores |
| 08:46:37 | davidc__ | a debugger should very well be possible |
| 08:46:40 | linuxstb | Nice... |
| 08:47:05 | davidc__ | yeah, its a soldering required mod - we'll be posting all details as soon as I get it fully tested |
| 08:47:35 | linuxstb | I haven't even managed to open my ipods... |
| 08:48:04 | davidc__ | eh, I bought a bunch of dead iPod logic boards |
| 08:48:13 | davidc__ | brouight this one back to life with some power supply bodging |
| 08:48:34 | davidc__ | then ran some jtag. Anyhow - I just got the scan chain to scan, and it sees two things that look like arms |
| 08:48:45 | davidc__ | I'll let ya know when we have more details |
| 08:52:57 | Zagor | davidc__: that sounds great! |
| 08:53:18 | davidc__ | yeah, we're super excited ;) |
| 08:53:41 | davidc__ | I thought you guys would want to know as well - I'll post all the details of the mod @ the iPL website as soon as its in a usable form |
| 08:53:55 | davidc__ | its JP3 on the 4G's - if you care at all :P |
| 08:54:04 | Zagor | :-) we do |
| 08:54:20 | davidc__ | I phrased that wrong - I meant, that piece of info isn't all that useful |
| 08:54:37 | davidc__ | too many hours of HW hacking - not enough hours on speaking english |
| 08:54:59 | davidc__ | bad news is I don't see a similar connector on any of the other boards pcb shots |
| 08:55:14 | Zagor | ah |
| 08:55:27 | linuxstb | Are the boards for the 4g greyscale and Color/Photo the same? |
| 08:55:47 | linuxstb | (I think of them both as 4gs) |
| 08:55:51 | davidc__ | nope - the colors have a TV out chip - but I'll look @ the board shots |
| 08:56:04 | davidc__ | sorry, I'm used to our own sorta nomenclature for them :P |
| 08:56:11 | linuxstb | So you're working with the greyscale? |
| 08:56:15 | davidc__ | yup |
| 08:56:22 | davidc__ | thats the only one I could get logic boards for |
| 08:56:31 | linuxstb | BTW, any progress with the tv-out? |
| 08:56:38 | davidc__ | not yet - put that on hold for jtag |
| 08:56:43 | davidc__ | I figured a debugger was more important |
| 08:57:01 | linuxstb | Yep. |
| 08:58:06 | davidc__ | argh - anyone know the arm doc that has the format of the device ID reg? I remember it was 32 bits [which I see], but can't find the bloody doc |
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| 09:11:06 | dj-fu | HAX! |
| 09:11:20 | dj-fu | do I need to donate more money before you guys hurry up and release 3.0? |
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| 09:14:41 | Zagor | I have now disabled anonymous flyspray tasks again. the few extra reports aren't worth the hassle of all the duplicate feature requests |
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| 09:26:13 | amiconn | Boogz r us :( |
| 09:27:43 | Zagor | dj-fu: you can try ;-) |
| 09:29:00 | Zagor | amiconn: ? |
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| 09:35:01 | leboff | damn album art |
| 09:35:05 | leboff | got everything converted |
| 09:35:08 | leboff | and it doesnt show up |
| 09:36:28 | amiconn | Zagor: The more we check, the more bugs appear |
| 09:36:41 | leboff | anyone have experience with the album art? |
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| 09:37:02 | amiconn | E.g. there's a bug in the stats plugin that causes it to only evaluate the root filesystem on Ondio |
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| 09:38:25 | midkay | not very surprising.. it's not used that often, much less worked on.. bugs are everywhere. :) |
| 09:38:37 | dj-fu | I heart you guys |
| 09:38:54 | dj-fu | I hope you live forever to make many more rockboxes |
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| 09:44:24 | amiconn | midkay: I just checked WhyRockbox. Gapless *is* possible on archos, but only with lame -nogap |
| 09:44:53 | midkay | amiconn, right, that's an encoder thing, so any firmware could do it this way, no? |
| 09:45:09 | leboff | what am i doing wrong??? |
| 09:45:12 | midkay | or maybe i'm a bit mistaken on how -nogap works. |
| 09:45:16 | amiconn | Yes, could. The iriver retail firmware doesn't even manage that |
| 09:45:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Many firmwares insert an artificial gap between songs though, somewhat arbitrarily. |
| 09:45:58 | midkay | rockbox can avoid that on Archoses? news to me.. :) |
| 09:46:06 | midkay | i'll update the page if amiconn hasn't. |
| 09:46:31 | leboff | oh i know what i'm doin wrong |
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| 09:46:39 | yeft | silly default nicks |
| 09:46:43 | midkay | ah, i guess he is.. you should add like %Y% _(with lame -nogap)_ or something. |
| 09:47:03 | amiconn | midkay: Problem is that quite a number of firmwares insert artificial gaps. Rockbox on archos does not, and the archos firmware also does not either. |
| 09:47:30 | midkay | amiconn, ah, interesting.. i wasn't thinking of it as inserting additional gaps but simply not managing to avoid them.. |
| 09:47:32 | amiconn | In this sense the 6 year old archos firmware is better than a number of today's retail firmwares... |
| 09:48:04 | amiconn | It's probably because some newer firmwares only load the next track when the previous track ended. |
| 09:48:26 | yeft | midkay.. or anyone.. you ever try the album art patch? |
| 09:48:29 | midkay | yeah.. not a good decoding mechanism. :) |
| 09:48:34 | midkay | yeft, nah.. |
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| 09:48:44 | yeft | lame |
| 09:48:49 | yeft | i thought i had it down |
| 09:48:56 | amiconn | In fact, gapless is a necessity on archos. Otherwise it would end up producing gaps *within* tracks - with only 2MB RAM |
| 09:49:04 | yeft | but it wont show up.. i wonder if i have to do another forced tagcache |
| 09:49:52 | yeft | night all |
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| 09:54:36 | markun | yeft: I don't think album art needs tagcache |
| 09:55:11 | yeft | me either |
| 09:55:16 | yeft | but it aint workin either way |
| 09:55:22 | yeft | night for real now.. |
| 09:55:50 | markun | did you store album art in the id3 tag? |
| 09:56:05 | yeft | no |
| 09:56:20 | markun | the 'tag' cache has nothing to do with it |
| 09:56:30 | markun | then |
| 09:56:41 | markun | but ok, good night to you |
| 09:56:44 | yeft | oh well tomorrows another day |
| 09:57:48 | midkay | markun, well, we don't even have any code to read art from ID3 tags, so it's irrelevant, tagcache or not. :) |
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| 10:25:32 | amiconn | midkay: Btw, we could also handle replaygain on archos. It's just not implemented yet |
| 10:25:52 | midkay | really? i thought it was swcodec-only.. interesting. |
| 10:25:56 | midkay | well, you could add that.. :) |
| 10:26:07 | amiconn | Well, replaygain is just a fine-grained volume control |
| 10:26:42 | amiconn | The main volume is only adjustable in 1 dB steps (recorders, Ondios) resp. 1.5dB steps (player), |
| 10:26:55 | amiconn | but there are ways to fine-adjust volume |
| 10:27:12 | B4gder | http://en.europe.eliohome.com/product_m310_01.html << another PP based one |
| 10:27:14 | midkay | i didn't know how it worked, i don't use it. |
| 10:27:49 | finik- | does sscanf works for somebody? |
| 10:27:50 | amiconn | On recorders & ondios there are even 2 ways to do so: (1) audiocodec mixer volume. (2) using the stereo matrix |
| 10:28:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | B4gder: I didn't realize there were so many PP players |
| 10:28:21 | amiconn | On player, there's only method (2), which also allows for more fine-grained control |
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| 10:30:13 | merbanan | B4gder: is there any chance that the PP chips have a hardware decryption mode ? |
| 10:30:35 | davidc__ | merbanan: decryption - as in? |
| 10:30:41 | davidc__ | merbanan: I'm fairly sure they don't |
| 10:31:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | davidc__: The firmware's almost always (as in, iPods being the exception) in a specific encrypted format. |
| 10:31:10 | merbanan | like when reading a certain memory area it is exored first |
| 10:32:08 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: ipods tend to be encrypted |
| 10:32:19 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: in any case - as far as I know - they only boot from unencrypted flash |
| 10:32:32 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: and in the ipod they did all the decryption in SW |
| 10:33:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | davidc__: Notice I said "iPods being the exception" in reference to a specific encrypted format, not as to whether or not they're encrypted |
| 10:33:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | davidc__: We're talking about the .mi4 encrypted firmware files that many (all?) other PortalPlayer devices seem to use so far. |
| 10:33:54 | davidc__ | Paul_The_Nerd: ah - sorry, misread - 1:33 AM here :P. My guess would be thats how the stock Portalplayer firmware does it |
| 10:34:05 | davidc__ | apple forked the original PP firmware really early on as far as we know |
| 10:34:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which means it *is* possible that the hardware has a decryption capability for these files, though not necessary. |
| 10:34:29 | davidc__ | yes, but I'd consider it unlikely |
| 10:34:46 | crashd | the decryption happens in the bootloader, me and preglow got that far when we were looking at it |
| 10:34:47 | davidc__ | They do all decoding + etc in software, so why bother to do something like file decryption in HW? |
| 10:34:52 | crashd | well, i say me and preglow, mainly preglow ;) |
| 10:34:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, B4gder is forming quite a collection of them |
| 10:34:56 | davidc__ | I bet if you dump the flash you'll find a decoding routine ;) |
| 10:35:19 | crashd | but you can, mainly, just RE the bootloader for the pp players |
| 10:35:26 | davidc__ | yup |
| 10:35:30 | davidc__ | its just nice simple arm |
| 10:35:56 | linuxstb | davidc__: One reason could be that a hardware decryption routine may be more secure. But I agree with you that I think it's unlikely. Although there might be hardware support needed for WMA DRM. |
| 10:36:34 | merbanan | that's the reason I was asking |
| 10:36:37 | davidc__ | linuxstb: hrm.... I would still lean against any of that in HW - their HW design seems pretty vanilla |
| 10:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I think the hardware support needed for WMA DRM is just in transferring (MTP) isn't it? Becaue the H300s did it in the USA, right? |
| 10:36:53 | davidc__ | just arm cores + standard peripherals |
| 10:37:09 | davidc__ | but we'll know when someone RE's their bootloader |
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| 10:38:40 | merbanan | crashd: what bootloader did you look at ? |
| 10:38:54 | crashd | bl_h10.rom, the bootloader for the iriver h10 |
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| 10:39:18 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 10:39:27 | B4gder | 8 mi4 files |
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| 10:44:27 | finik- | guys, does rockbox sscanf works for anybody? |
| 10:44:47 | B4gder | finik-: only if you actually include it in your build |
| 10:45:06 | B4gder | iirc, its only used by the ifp799 build |
| 10:45:35 | finik- | hmm, what does that mean? how is it compiles then |
| 10:45:43 | B4gder | see SOURCES |
| 10:46:44 | finik- | :) I mean how does it link then, if I call it and it doesn't fail |
| 10:47:12 | B4gder | I don't understand |
| 10:48:02 | linuxstb | finik-: Are you testing in the sim? |
| 10:48:14 | finik- | I call sscanf from my plugin, link is ok, therefore the linker finds something, however the sscanf doesn't seem to parse my string |
| 10:48:16 | finik- | yes, SIM |
| 10:48:26 | linuxstb | Then it will probably link with the system sscanf. |
| 10:48:46 | linuxstb | You should be using rb->sscanf |
| 10:48:53 | merbanan | B4gder: have you started collecting bootloaders also ? |
| 10:49:07 | B4gder | yes, although I don't have as many of those |
| 10:49:20 | midkay | B4gder, btw, i wanted to suggest changing "Why Choose Rockbox?" on the front page to something like "Why use Rockbox?".. 'choose' implies there are other options; we're one of a kind. ;) |
| 10:49:23 | B4gder | I'll put them up too... |
| 10:49:41 | linuxstb | midkay: The other option is the manufacturer's firmware... |
| 10:50:17 | davidc__ | midkay: *cough* ahem |
| 10:50:23 | midkay | ... and choose also implies, well, definitive choice - most models can dual-boot, and most users take advantage of that. |
| 10:50:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some people have noted that "Why choose Rockbox" makes it sound too much like an advertisement, and not so much like an actual resource. |
| 10:50:31 | midkay | yeah.. |
| 10:50:33 | linuxstb | (and of course IPL for ipod users...) |
| 10:50:59 | midkay | why use it is like.. well, you can have it, but why should you use it instead of the default firmware.. choose is like.. why should you buy this instead of that.. more definitive.. *shrugs* :) |
| 10:51:00 | finik- | linuxstb: scanf is not on the rb API |
| 10:51:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe something simple like "Rockbox Features" |
| 10:51:03 | midkay | 'use' sounds better to me. |
| 10:51:11 | linuxstb | finik-: No - you will need to add it. |
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| 10:51:39 | midkay | hm, what about "What is Rockbox?".. |
| 10:52:03 | midkay | that is after all rather more what the article's about.. features and descriptions. |
| 10:52:21 | linuxstb | midkay: Sounds good to me. |
| 10:52:53 | finik- | linuxstb: is the one from firmware/common/sscanf.c ok? |
| 10:54:06 | linuxstb | I've never used it, but I would hope it's OK if it's in CVS. But as Bagder said, you need to edit firmware/SOURCES to compile that file for all targets - at the moment it's only compiled for the iFP7xx GDB stub. |
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| 10:55:32 | finik- | linuxstb: thanks, I'll |
| 10:57:55 | finik- | linuxstb: by the way, my "rockmaps" (google maps viewer) is almost ready, arrows, zoom-in and out given a lat/long (had to implement real sin/log/atan/.. myself), so now I'm just working on reading the coordinates from file |
| 10:59:51 | finik- | it seems though I have to stop audio and use audio buffer for tile cache |
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| 11:00:29 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/bl.html |
| 11:00:37 | B4gder | BL* files |
| 11:06:47 | davidc__ | linuxstb: holy shit man, I'm actually debugging it!!!! |
| 11:06:52 | davidc__ | linuxstb: I can view the regs + the pc |
| 11:06:56 | davidc__ | linuxstb: it actually makes sense |
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| 11:09:34 | merbanan | B4gder: BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom is loaded at 0x10600000 |
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| 11:32:09 | linuxstb | davidc__: Very nice... Are you debugging retailos? |
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| 11:37:37 | davidc__ | linuxstb: its still rather.. flaky |
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| 11:37:53 | davidc__ | linuxstb: reset control doesn't work - and sometimes this board refuses to power up right - the board is really hacked together |
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| 11:42:51 | merbanan | B4gder: the other bootloaders are loaded at 0x0 |
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| 11:44:54 | Jungti1234 | hahahaha |
| 11:44:56 | Jungti1234 | http://imgnews.naver.com/image/143/2006/06/27/20060627msw1.jpg |
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| 11:46:06 | tongas | hi all, what does happen to Rockbox ?! there is no CVS activity since 23june ?! |
| 11:46:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | tongas: So? |
| 11:46:41 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 11:47:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | tongas: There won't always be things to commit, it happens. |
| 11:47:48 | tongas | release in about ?... |
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| 11:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | When it's done |
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| 11:59:32 | Rick | Jungti1234: I don't get it |
| 11:59:47 | Jungti1234 | why? |
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| 12:00:02 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 12:00:11 | Rick | well |
| 12:00:12 | Jungti1234 | not important image. |
| 12:00:13 | Rick | i don't see why it's funny |
| 12:00:56 | Jungti1234 | are you interesting soccer? |
| 12:01:02 | Rick | no |
| 12:01:09 | Jungti1234 | :) |
| 12:01:23 | Jungti1234 | Then, you arent may understand. |
| 12:01:31 | Rick | hehe ok |
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| 12:06:20 | Jungti1234__ | Switzerland did much hand touch infringement of rules in 2006 World Cup. |
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| 12:07:16 | Paprica | lol |
| 12:07:18 | Paprica | http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/18/usb-teddy-bear-holds-data-scares-children/ |
| 12:07:30 | Paprica | i want one of this |
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| 12:11:58 | Jungti1234__ | Paprica: hahahaha |
| 12:12:31 | Paprica | i'm searching for place to buy one |
| 12:12:40 | Paprica | but dont find =\ |
| 12:12:46 | Jungti1234__ | hehe |
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| 12:12:55 | Jungti1234__ | I want too |
| 12:12:59 | scorche | Paprica: "No word on how much it holds or if there are any plans to make these available for purchase" |
| 12:13:07 | antil33t | helle |
| 12:13:19 | antil33t | finally got the beast fixed |
| 12:13:36 | Paprica | oh... i didnt read the article :) |
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| 12:26:37 | preglow | ooh, great, a patch for the wav bug |
| 12:26:42 | preglow | i'll try to check it out and commit it |
| 12:26:47 | preglow | tonight or something |
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| 13:13:02 | scorche | ugh....cant sleep |
| 13:13:08 | Jungti1234 | why |
| 13:13:18 | * | scorche shrugs |
| 13:13:34 | Jungti1234 | heh? |
| 13:15:54 | scorche | could be too hot for me to fall asleep... |
| 13:16:07 | scorche | but then again, i never sleep anyway >_> |
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| 13:35:40 | amiconn | preglow: wav bug? |
| 13:37:43 | preglow | amiconn: wav files don't play if the fmt chunk isn't at the very start of the file |
| 13:37:51 | preglow | amiconn: both the metadata parser and wav.c itself has the bug |
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| 13:38:07 | preglow | i found it some time ago when someone complained files written by protools don't work |
| 13:38:15 | preglow | and now rotator has fixed it, it seems |
| 13:38:38 | amiconn | Hmm, I thought this was fixed some time ago?! |
| 13:38:50 | preglow | well, i found about a month, month and a half ago |
| 13:38:54 | preglow | found it |
| 13:38:58 | preglow | and no one has fixed it since then that i can see |
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| 14:02:13 | _Voyager_ | good afternoon |
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| 14:20:53 | Zweiundvierzig | Hm, strange |
| 14:20:59 | Zweiundvierzig | My iPod's frozen again |
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| 14:31:35 | amiconn | lnn |
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| 14:50:09 | Rob2222 | Who is familiar with the playback code? At least the H300 has a very annoying bug when you press BACK just 500ms before songend. |
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| 14:52:04 | Rob2222 | Then hey doesnt do BACK, the WPS freezes and he plays the next song. |
| 14:54:27 | Mikachu | yes, that is a known bug |
| 14:55:28 | Rob2222 | is not possible to fix atm? |
| 14:55:54 | Rob2222 | i get this 2-3 times per day, yesterday i had to reset the unit to come out |
| 14:56:26 | Mikachu | Don't Do That Then :) |
| 14:56:50 | Rob2222 | What should i do when i want to hear that song again ... |
| 14:56:54 | Rob2222 | thats funny ... |
| 14:56:58 | Rob2222 | dont do it |
| 14:57:01 | Mikachu | press sooner or later |
| 14:57:09 | Mikachu | or set repeat to same song |
| 14:58:05 | preglow | i love the fact that the iRofl notation has become so widespread that people have started writing IMDCT as iMDCT |
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| 14:58:18 | Zweiundvierzig | Heh |
| 14:58:19 | Rob2222 | lol |
| 14:58:21 | preglow | people need to be kicked more often |
| 14:58:28 | Zweiundvierzig | Yeah |
| 14:58:32 | Rob2222 | iRiver |
| 14:58:37 | Zweiundvierzig | iMer |
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| 14:59:43 | Zweiundvierzig | Damn... The rain's not stopping (in fact it's getting worse) and I have to go to my guitar lesson in 15 minutes |
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| 15:00:10 | Zweiundvierzig | This is going to be Great Fun (tm) |
| 15:00:21 | Rob2222 | Just tke the boat. |
| 15:00:24 | Rob2222 | take |
| 15:00:43 | Zweiundvierzig | There's no river near the house where I take the lesson |
| 15:01:20 | Rob2222 | : |
| 15:01:22 | Rob2222 | . |
| 15:01:23 | Rob2222 | hmm |
| 15:02:14 | Zweiundvierzig | Lightning <_< |
| 15:02:27 | Zweiundvierzig | np: Metallica - [Ride The Lightning #02] Ride The Lightning |
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| 15:04:54 | myth1 | hi guys |
| 15:05:27 | myth1 | i have a question concerning the ring buffer and data loading |
| 15:06:42 | myth1 | if I do ci->request_buffer(&n, length) and the returned n is not equal to length, does this imply I'm at the end of the ring buffer? |
| 15:08:19 | myth1 | I'm trying to directly play the samples for mod/xm playback out of the ring-buffer but lack some basic understandings of the ring buffer implementation :( |
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| 15:16:09 | preglow | hmm |
| 15:16:54 | preglow | i don't think so |
| 15:17:02 | preglow | i think that means you're at the end of your file |
| 15:17:28 | preglow | but i am by no means certain |
| 15:21:41 | preglow | there's a guard buffer at the end of buffer that ensures you always get complete chunks |
| 15:21:49 | preglow | but that won't be enough for samples, which can be quite big |
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| 15:22:03 | * | preglow wants a way for the codec itself to do the file loading :/ |
| 15:23:38 | myth1 | My previous understanding was that I'm at the end of the ring buffer |
| 15:23:56 | myth1 | obviously the nature of the ring buffer must have a physical end |
| 15:24:02 | preglow | sure |
| 15:24:11 | preglow | but you're not supposed to worry about it |
| 15:24:14 | preglow | thanks to the guard buffer |
| 15:24:23 | myth1 | what is the guard buffer? |
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| 15:26:13 | preglow | i think it just some spare space at the end of the ring buffer, where data from the start of the buffer gets copied to if you request a frame that goes past the end of the ring buffer |
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| 15:26:22 | preglow | so that codecs don't have to handle partial frames internally |
| 15:26:38 | myth1 | ok, that makes sense. but its only temporarily |
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| 15:27:36 | myth1 | so what is the best way to get pointers to MOD-samples directly from the framebuffer? |
| 15:27:52 | linuxstb_ | myth1: My understanding is that request_buffer() is only guaranteed to return up to GUARD_BUFFER_SIZE (32KB) of data. So if it returns less, you are either at the wraparound point, or the end of the file. |
| 15:29:30 | preglow | the file buffering layer really isn't made for this kind of thing |
| 15:29:31 | myth1 | the wraparound point would be no problem, because I could save the wrapped sample in memory, but still play the other samples from the ring buffer |
| 15:29:44 | preglow | non-streamed formats shouldn't be allowed to wrap anyway |
| 15:30:12 | myth1 | preglow: Well thats definately #1 on my wish list ;) but for now I'm searching for alternatives |
| 15:30:47 | myth1 | can I even be sure that my samples are completely in memory? Or is there a chance that the ring-buffer gets filled again and overwrites my samples? |
| 15:31:36 | linuxstb_ | No, the ring buffer will only be emptied if you do a read(), or advance_buffer(). So thinking about it, I don't think you can access any data after the wraparound without reading past the wraparound... |
| 15:32:01 | linuxstb_ | As preglow said, the codec buffering isn't suited to non-streaming formats.... |
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| 15:32:15 | myth1 | And if I read past the wraparound then my previous samples would be killed, is that right? |
| 15:32:20 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 15:32:40 | myth1 | mpf :(( |
| 15:32:40 | preglow | myth1: you can't be sure of anything |
| 15:32:47 | preglow | myth1: you can't even be sure the file is read completely |
| 15:32:55 | linuxstb_ | True. |
| 15:33:01 | preglow | for everything you know, onyl the first 5% might be read |
| 15:33:14 | linuxstb_ | But the rest should be read if the codec requests it? |
| 15:33:25 | preglow | oh? |
| 15:33:51 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing - but would have hoped that a request_buffer() that goes beyond the currently buffered data would cause the remaining data to be read from disk. |
| 15:33:57 | myth1 | is there a chance we could get support for non-streamed formats any soon? |
| 15:34:04 | linuxstb_ | (assuming there is free space). |
| 15:34:07 | preglow | not unless someone works on it |
| 15:34:20 | preglow | myth1: and in that apartment, you seem to be it :) |
| 15:34:44 | myth1 | oh no :( |
| 15:34:49 | preglow | i'd love to support them as well |
| 15:34:59 | preglow | but i've got a ton of other stuff i need to do first |
| 15:35:06 | myth1 | I guess the io part is pretty heavy |
| 15:35:30 | myth1 | any hint where to start? What file, what function? |
| 15:35:39 | Jungti1234 | bye bye |
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| 15:36:08 | myth1 | Guess its the request_buffer function though |
| 15:36:52 | preglow | playback.c, i'd guess |
| 15:37:02 | myth1 | ok guys, I'll dig into it. Thanks for the support. |
| 15:37:03 | preglow | it's a really big and complex file... |
| 15:37:05 | preglow | but yeah |
| 15:37:21 | myth1 | see you later |
| 15:37:24 | preglow | sure, have fun |
| 15:37:25 | preglow | heh |
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| 15:52:46 | rsff-webguest | Hello Guys. I'm just wondering if there is a Announce email list. |
| 15:53:27 | rsff-webguest | I don't wanto to be in the big user list, because I won't be able to read all the emails anyway. However, I'd like to be updated on new releases. |
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| 16:22:45 | ceaser | Hey, quick and probably stupid question - is there a way to turn off the peak meters on the playback window? I couldn't find an option to do it, and I think its hoarding too much CPU - it skips when displaying the playback window, but not when displaying the menu |
| 16:22:57 | Mikachu | use another theme/wps |
| 16:23:09 | ceaser | oh oh didn't realize thats part of the theme |
| 16:23:20 | ceaser | thanks |
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| 18:38:21 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder or anyone with wiki access around? |
| 18:39:39 | Genre9mp3 | I'm a bit in a hurry so I just want to report that the link added in the DocsIndex by someone "KillerWolfe" is very strange |
| 18:40:38 | Genre9mp3 | I followed that link and I got a page with a Rockbox background.. |
| 18:40:56 | Genre9mp3 | Right after that, my settings on Firefox are corrupted |
| 18:41:10 | Genre9mp3 | I may be wrong, but please investigate |
| 18:45:26 | Genre9mp3 | gtg |
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| 19:05:48 | ryran | fyi re genre9mp3's comments on the wiki: don't see anything strange about the page |
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| 19:10:59 | freqmod | Do you prefer 108kb bzip2 compressed, or 691kb uncompressed patches in the tracker? |
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| 19:15:51 | Mikachu | how did you make a 691kb patch? |
| 19:16:25 | freqmod | it includes the whole speex decoding library and libogg |
| 19:18:12 | goffa | what's tha patch do? |
| 19:18:42 | freqmod | implements speex decoding |
| 19:18:48 | goffa | cool |
| 19:19:51 | freqmod | not really stable though, but works on ipod Video for files upto 16kHz), have been discussed on (here) irc before. |
| 19:19:51 | preglow | freqmod: just zip it however |
| 19:19:55 | freqmod | ok |
| 19:20:15 | preglow | if you can patch a build, you can also use common compression formats |
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| 19:20:35 | preglow | freqmod: not stable as in how? |
| 19:21:32 | freqmod | do you thinks i need any more details ( http://pastebin.ca/73260 )? |
| 19:22:14 | freqmod | may give noise after lots of tracks, and all the other things listed in details |
| 19:22:46 | freqmod | but rockbox has not gived data abort, and i have used it for an extended period of time w/o deadlocks |
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| 19:26:43 | * | freqmod has added the patch to the tracker ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5607 ) |
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| 19:29:55 | preglow | freqmod: great work |
| 19:30:24 | preglow | i'll have a look at it after the freeze if no one beats me to it |
| 19:30:49 | freqmod | it seems to skip 10 seconds after 5 seconds :( |
| 19:31:08 | preglow | how? |
| 19:31:31 | freqmod | I don't know why |
| 19:31:56 | preglow | yes, but i don't get exactly what you mean |
| 19:32:04 | preglow | it plays for 5 seconds, then skips 10 seconds? |
| 19:32:35 | freqmod | yes well it plays to 12 secounds then it skips to 35 secound and then back to 25 secounds |
| 19:32:43 | preglow | haha |
| 19:32:43 | preglow | ouch |
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| 19:33:00 | preglow | so you can't play a track straight through without it jumping all over the place? |
| 19:33:27 | freqmod | no, then it works correctly afterwards |
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| 19:36:06 | ceaser | Hey, out of curiosity, what mp3 decoder does rockbox use - is it a custom one, or another OSS one? |
| 19:37:39 | charkins | ceaser: looks like mad: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/ |
| 19:37:58 | ceaser | oh word |
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| 19:38:21 | ceaser | i was going to say, it sounded better than mpg123 and whatnot |
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| 19:43:47 | preglow | i don't think you should be able to hear much of a difference |
| 19:43:49 | preglow | but if you say so :> |
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| 19:45:31 | merbanan | preglow: did you look at the sensa bootloader ? |
| 19:45:49 | preglow | i don't even have a sansa |
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| 19:48:50 | merbanan | I mean for finding how to decrypt the mi4 firmware files |
| 19:49:22 | preglow | no, i haven't dealt with that at all |
| 19:49:38 | freqmod | Found it: http://pastebin.ca/73282 (CgRan: current granule) Cgran: page granule on new page GMD: get more data, but why read two times, i'll check if it looks inside the pages. |
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| 19:50:27 | merbanan | preglow: ok |
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| 19:55:18 | freqmod | seem to be some sort of page fault (can't read the page) |
| 19:55:22 | freqmod | (ogg page) |
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| 20:07:51 | noobiewithquesti | hi all.. i'm a noobie to rockbox and I have a question |
| 20:08:56 | noobiewithquesti | i just received an old i riverH340 which can play video, very badly |
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| 20:10:12 | noobiewithquesti | so i'm thinking of scrapping it for rockbox |
| 20:11:39 | noobiewithquesti | Is there any plan for video support for H340? |
| 20:12:28 | PaulJam_ | afaik noone is working on video support, but rockbox is dual boot, so you can always boot into the original firmware to watch videos |
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| 20:12:52 | noobiewithquesti | cool..thanks PaulJam. |
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| 20:47:41 | {EDF}SS | good to hear a new one's being worked on....but I have a problem with the current build: |
| 20:47:54 | {EDF}SS | using an ipod nano (2gb), it frequently loses its settings |
| 20:48:15 | {EDF}SS | like for example if I tell it not to fade in/out, change the colors, tell it to resume on startup etc |
| 20:48:25 | Mikachu | how do you turn it off? |
| 20:48:28 | {EDF}SS | it'll maybe work a few times, but then reset itself for no apparent reason |
| 20:48:32 | {EDF}SS | I hold down play/pause |
| 20:48:45 | Mikachu | are all settings reset or only the ones you changed? |
| 20:48:55 | {EDF}SS | they seem to reset to defaults |
| 20:49:27 | Mikachu | that will happen if you boot with the hold button on |
| 20:49:29 | Mikachu | it's a feature |
| 20:49:45 | {EDF}SS | the hold button? you mean the lock? |
| 20:49:55 | Mikachu | i mean the hold button |
| 20:50:00 | Mikachu | the button clearly labeled HOLD |
| 20:50:05 | scorche | hold switch |
| 20:50:13 | {EDF}SS | yeah it's not a button dude |
| 20:50:26 | {EDF}SS | but thanks for the info |
| 20:50:59 | {EDF}SS | I don't suppose there's any way to disable that? |
| 20:51:22 | Mikachu | "any way" is a bit broad |
| 20:51:26 | Mikachu | there is no option to turn it off |
| 20:51:53 | {EDF}SS | heh any way aside from editing the code myself? |
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| 20:55:05 | Mikachu | no |
| 20:55:19 | Mikachu | but it's very simple, just one line to comment |
| 20:55:28 | Mikachu | but then you won't be able to reset the settings from the device |
| 20:55:32 | {EDF}SS | which file, please? |
| 20:55:41 | Mikachu | if you mess up font colors or etc |
| 20:55:54 | Mikachu | you'd have to connect to a computer and clear block 61 or 63, can never remember |
| 20:56:21 | {EDF}SS | I'm not worried about needing to reset settings, heh |
| 20:56:22 | Mikachu | main.c |
| 20:56:32 | Mikachu | search for "if (button_hold" |
| 20:56:32 | {EDF}SS | thank you! |
| 20:56:43 | Mikachu | there should be a settings_reset() 4 lines below |
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| 20:57:10 | Mikachu | you can just comment out settings_reset i guess |
| 20:57:15 | {EDF}SS | oh shoot, I guess I'd need a compiler installed, heh |
| 20:57:18 | Mikachu | yes |
| 20:58:11 | Mikachu | i can send my build if you want, it won't reset when hold is on if the headphone cable is in |
| 20:58:17 | Mikachu | but it also has some other changes |
| 20:59:25 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/rockbox-mikachu-nowarranty.zip |
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| 21:00:11 | Hansmaulwurf | how does rockbox know a cable is pluged in? |
| 21:00:48 | Mikachu | see the 'pause on headphone unplug' patch |
| 21:01:07 | Hansmaulwurf | ah, a patch |
| 21:01:28 | * | Hansmaulwurf has the feeling his unpatched build is really out of date |
| 21:01:41 | Mikachu | how does a patch explain it more than me saying i'd changed things? |
| 21:02:04 | {EDF}SS | Hansmaulwurf there's some detection built in them to see if headphones are in |
| 21:02:33 | {EDF}SS | Mikachu what other changes are in your build? anything major? |
| 21:03:01 | Hansmaulwurf | Mikachu: I was wondering that rockbox can detect the cable, didnt see anything in the settings |
| 21:03:35 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: i guess the thing that would annoy you is i changed the wheel sensitivity from 4 to 10 |
| 21:03:40 | Mikachu | ie less sensitive |
| 21:04:10 | {EDF}SS | Mikachu I think I'd like that too heh |
| 21:05:52 | {EDF}SS | Mikachu do you update your own build often? when is this one from? |
| 21:07:39 | midkay | on-topic - the iPodExperimental builds on the wiki. Shouldn't this be removed? |
| 21:07:55 | midkay | that makes it sound like we support these experimental builds, when they have a home right on our site.. |
| 21:08:32 | Hansmaulwurf | midkay: you should at least delete the "when you have a problem talk to the devs" |
| 21:08:46 | Hansmaulwurf | coz that really sounds like it is something official |
| 21:08:49 | midkay | most certainly.. there's a line on there saying that? *Goes to check* |
| 21:09:32 | Hansmaulwurf | "...iif you DO have any problems please let the developers know." |
| 21:09:34 | midkay | we should talk to whoever's doing this, I think. if he wants to do his own builds, alright.. but on our site, and direct questions about these unsupported patches to us... |
| 21:12:28 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: that zip file is special for you |
| 21:12:46 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: it's against current cvs |
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| 21:49:06 | * | freqmod has fixed the skipping problem in speex interface, adding a patch as a comment in the tracker. |
| 21:49:31 | {EDF}SS | Mikachu thanks a lot, I'll give it a shot |
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| 21:50:16 | freqmod | forgot 2 printfs, that must be removed to make the patch work |
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| 22:00:28 | {edf}ss | Mikachu you around? |
| 22:00:36 | Mikachu | yes |
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| 22:00:52 | {edf}ss | I put your build on, and when it loads it says no files and then... |
| 22:01:03 | {edf}ss | data abort at (address) |
| 22:01:22 | Mikachu | did you rename your old .rockbox dir first? |
| 22:01:38 | {edf}ss | no, I didn't know I was supposed to, heh |
| 22:01:44 | {edf}ss | to what? |
| 22:01:49 | Mikachu | something else |
| 22:02:28 | Mikachu | i also have a 2gb nano, so it should work fine |
| 22:02:49 | | Quit hotwire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:03:06 | {edf}ss | I just overwrote the directory with yours, so some of the extra files are causing problems, you think? |
| 22:03:36 | Mikachu | it's my only theory |
| 22:03:52 | {edf}ss | trying yours from scratch. |
| 22:04:34 | {edf}ss | same prob |
| 22:04:37 | {edf}ss | I dunno why |
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| 22:05:01 | Mikachu | try resetting your settings by having hold on when you boot :) |
| 22:05:07 | Mikachu | (make sure the headphone cable isn't in) |
| 22:05:09 | | Quit Spida (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 22:05:20 | Mikachu | after that i give up |
| 22:05:35 | {edf}ss | yeah that worked. |
| 22:06:27 | {edf}ss | what do you use to turn it off? hold down play/pause? |
| 22:06:27 | | Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") |
| 22:06:41 | Mikachu | play+select |
| 22:06:45 | Mikachu | or select shut down in the menu |
| 22:06:57 | {edf}ss | thanks! |
| 22:07:00 | Mikachu | the reboot to apple option won't work without a patched bootloader |
| 22:07:15 | {edf}ss | I like yours better already, and I'm off to the post office now, talk to you guys later |
| 22:07:20 | Mikachu | heh, bye |
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| 22:15:06 | SDP | :( |
| 22:15:14 | SDP | anyone around? |
| 22:16:15 | SDP | i need a little help |
| 22:16:15 | midkay | if you have a question, ask.. |
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| 22:16:30 | SDP | I had a theme loaded from the rockbox site |
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| 22:16:52 | SDP | i had changed the font color and background color |
| 22:17:15 | SDP | but then it messed with the theme so i went to the reset backgound colors |
| 22:17:23 | SDP | i think its called that |
| 22:17:28 | SDP | and now my screen is back |
| 22:17:33 | midkay | just reload the theme, so long as it defines the right colors.. |
| 22:17:44 | SDP | i cant see anything tho |
| 22:17:59 | SDP | i cant see where i am in the menu |
| 22:18:21 | midkay | you set the foreground and background exactly the same? how? |
| 22:18:30 | SDP | i didnt |
| 22:18:36 | SDP | i had white font then black bg |
| 22:18:43 | EbErT | what colors are they now? |
| 22:18:55 | SDP | i guess black on black |
| 22:19:01 | SDP | the screen is total black |
| 22:19:08 | midkay | how did it get black-on-black, i mean? |
| 22:19:10 | EbErT | try reset |
| 22:19:25 | SDP | if i magically get to play a song then i could see black font |
| 22:19:33 | SDP | i tried reseting |
| 22:19:38 | drippydonut | turn off the player and hold down "record" as the boot loads |
| 22:19:42 | drippydonut | that will reset the settings |
| 22:19:50 | SDP | record? |
| 22:19:56 | midkay | it's an ipod. |
| 22:19:58 | SDP | im on 5G ipod |
| 22:19:58 | drippydonut | sorry, I'm in H3xx mode |
| 22:20:05 | midkay | boot up with the hold switch on.. |
| 22:21:04 | SDP | brings me to the apple firmware |
| 22:22:01 | SDP | any other ideas? |
| 22:22:10 | midkay | huh? no it doesn't.. |
| 22:22:13 | midkay | only press menu, don't hold it.. |
| 22:23:45 | SDP | sweet |
| 22:23:49 | SDP | it came back |
| 22:23:59 | SDP | so now all my previous setting are gone? |
| 22:25:55 | SDP | and before you disconnect the ipod does it need to be stopped? |
| 22:26:04 | SDP | or can i just unplugg it? |
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| 22:33:04 | bam_ | morning |
| 22:33:42 | bam_ | just curious anyone considered implementing the one button push−−add to favorites access? |
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| 22:43:22 | bam_ | anyone know if tagcache is working properly on the h120's? |
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| 22:50:28 | EbErT | tagcache is a major pain for me |
| 22:50:46 | EbErT | hope someone is working on having it skip tags it can't handle |
| 22:51:00 | * | EbErT crosses fingers |
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| 22:53:50 | {edf}ss | Mikachu still around? |
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| 22:55:11 | lostlogic | think I should de-rockbox my ipod before I take it in for warranty repair of a defective headphone jack? |
| 22:55:25 | {EDF}SS | haha yes |
| 22:55:36 | {EDF}SS | it's not hard to put rockbox back on, after all |
| 22:56:27 | lostlogic | bagh, but the 40 gigs of music... I should probably back that up too... |
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| 22:56:49 | lostlogic | stupid headphone jack. |
| 22:58:09 | {EDF}SS | you don't have to delete your music to put your ipod back to using normal firmware, do you? |
| 22:58:46 | lostlogic | no, but I spect they will replace it, nto repair it |
| 22:58:53 | lostlogic | and it's only 30, not 40g |
| 22:59:13 | {EDF}SS | heh well then you need to backup anyway, so stop whining and do it :P |
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| 23:06:10 | lostlogic | haha, ok, so it's not tha tsimple, I have a copy of all of the music on another computer, but I used foobar2000 to fix some tags on the version of that's on the ipod, so I hafta get them synched up between the two. I'm retarded, and lazy. *makes his backup and shuts up* |
| 23:06:40 | {EDF}SS | good luck with that |
| 23:06:52 | {EDF}SS | anyone know a good normalizing program that doesn't fuck up the songs? |
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| 23:12:14 | goffa | so... we in the middle of a soccer freeze along with the feature freeze? |
| 23:12:31 | * | goffa just notices a lack of updates in the past couple of days |
| 23:12:41 | Bagder | another mi4 and BL added |
| 23:13:11 | goffa | or is it about time to call cvs 3.0 :) |
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| 23:21:28 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: oh yeah tagcache is not in that build at all |
| 23:21:34 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: it will probably throw up if you try to use it |
| 23:22:00 | {EDF}SS | ah hi Mikachu |
| 23:22:11 | stripwax | Bagder - hmm..? |
| 23:22:16 | {EDF}SS | I don't use tagcache - but howcome you removed the volume functionality while a tune is playing? |
| 23:22:34 | Bagder | stripwax: here => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 23:23:03 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: i moved it to the quickscreen |
| 23:23:17 | {EDF}SS | what is the quickscreen? when you press menu? |
| 23:23:32 | stripwax | Bagder - neat, thx |
| 23:23:32 | Mikachu | hold down select for a second or two |
| 23:24:49 | {EDF}SS | ty Mikachu |
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| 23:28:09 | Bagder | evening LinusN |
| 23:28:22 | {EDF}SS | where do you change the settings for the volume/battery display to numerical instead of graphical? |
| 23:29:33 | LinusN | Bagder: evening |
| 23:29:46 | markun | Bagder: do you have a tool to xor 2 files? |
| 23:30:12 | Bagder | markun: perl! ;-P |
| 23:30:38 | markun | Too bad I don't know any perl |
| 23:30:44 | LinusN | C? |
| 23:31:39 | markun | sure |
| 23:31:52 | markun | It would not be difficult to make such a program, but I'm lazy :) |
| 23:31:58 | hardeep | that reminds me, would anyone mind if i re-add songdb.pl to the source tree? i've updated it to work with tagcache |
| 23:32:11 | Bagder | hardeep: that'd be cool! |
| 23:32:25 | markun | hardeep: for which file formats? |
| 23:32:34 | hardeep | markun: ogg and mp3, like before |
| 23:32:59 | hardeep | i was going to see if parsers are available for the other codecs as well |
| 23:33:11 | freqmod | hardeep: why don't use something like taglib, which parses a lot of codec metadata? |
| 23:33:23 | hardeep | freqmod: is it available for perl? |
| 23:33:33 | freqmod | http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html#bindings |
| 23:33:57 | hardeep | ah, cool, will definitely check that out |
| 23:34:17 | freqmod | and then we'll get support for speex with my patch ;) |
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| 23:36:11 | freqmod | hardeep: it supports ape tags too |
| 23:38:13 | {EDF}SS | Does anyone know where do you change the settings for the volume/battery display to numerical instead of graphical? |
| 23:38:40 | stripwax | Bagder - one more for your collection? http://pinkupload.ath.cx/upload/files/APOD%20Firmware%20neu(1.5.5).zip |
| 23:38:40 | * | freqmod checks |
| 23:39:21 | markun | stripwax: Aldi Pod? |
| 23:39:29 | Bagder | thanks |
| 23:39:32 | {EDF}SS | nm found it, thanks anyway |
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| 23:39:44 | freqmod | main settings->display->status scrollbar->volumdisplay/battery display |
| 23:40:00 | stripwax | markun yes |
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| 23:43:22 | rotator | preglow: I saw your comments in the log, have you had a chance to look at my wav patch yet? |
| 23:44:44 | LinusN | looked ok to me |
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| 23:45:50 | rotator | LinusN: referring to me? |
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| 23:47:06 | LinusN | rotator: yup |
| 23:47:45 | rotator | LinusN: ok, good :) |
| 23:48:04 | rotator | does it look like a patch that would be good to get committed? |
| 23:48:14 | LinusN | gets my vote |
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| 23:49:16 | rotator | ok, I'll see what preglow says too since he said he was going to look at it and he originally spotted the problem |
| 23:50:10 | EbErT | anyone know a way to have music files shown on normal apple firmware and rockbox? |
| 23:50:15 | EbErT | when either is loaded? |
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| 23:50:47 | LinusN | EbErT: load the tunes with itunes, and use the rockbox tag cachee |
| 23:51:29 | rotator | EbErT: take a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav |
| 23:51:35 | EbErT | and tag cache will find them? |
| 23:51:44 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:51:47 | EbErT | well, i have a problem with tagcache |
| 23:52:00 | EbErT | its not stable enough, doesn't dodge the files it can't handle |
| 23:52:15 | EbErT | and i can't find all the ones that are messed up/ corrupt |
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| 23:53:21 | LinusN | EbErT: so we'll have to fix that bug then |
| 23:53:32 | EbErT | i thought someone was working on coding it to give out a text doc telling what ones it couldn't handle |
| 23:53:55 | EbErT | well, its not really a bug, I SHOULD have all correct tags LinusN |
| 23:54:18 | Mikachu | it shouldn't crash with incorrect input |
| 23:54:38 | EbErT | but there are many ways that they could've messed up. some I downloaded from streaming radio weren't tagged correctly by the downloader |
| 23:54:46 | EbErT | it does, freezes part way through |
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| 23:55:17 | LinusN | we need one of those files for analysis |
| 23:55:47 | EbErT | so it won't just freeze when it comes to one it can't handle, as it is? |
| 23:56:37 | EbErT | just some way for it to look through them and skip ones it doesn't like would be good |
| 23:56:40 | EbErT | before cacheing |
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| 23:57:02 | preglow | rotator: briefly |
| 23:57:07 | preglow | rotator: but i haven't been able to try it |
| 23:57:10 | preglow | rotator: looks good, though |
| 23:57:12 | EbErT | LinusN: those are on my other HD, can't get them right now |
| 23:58:41 | LinusN | EbErT: ok |
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