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| 00:01:33 | jimmy13632 | I heard SanDisk approached asking about the possibility of porting the firmware to the sansa e200 series |
| 00:01:58 | Bagder | *READ* |
| 00:02:09 | jimmy13632 | i did... |
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| 00:02:19 | scorche | >_> |
| 00:02:39 | jimmy13632 | but i can't seam to find if they have contacted you anymore than that? |
| 00:02:44 | jimmy13632 | seem* |
| 00:03:04 | Bagder | "I responded and we exchanged a few mails about what we want and a little about what Rockbox is and how Rockbox is developed" |
| 00:03:43 | jimmy13632 | have the sent you any developer information such as maybe schematics? |
| 00:03:51 | Bagder | *READ* |
| 00:04:54 | preglow | it's all there |
| 00:05:43 | sharpe | it's funny, my monitor has a resolution of 320x240 now... |
| 00:06:02 | preglow | how oldschool of it |
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| 00:08:56 | sharpe | yes. it is very, very, old-school. |
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| 00:09:24 | user01 | can someone help me troubleshoot? i installed the most recent version of rockbox for 4g bw and transfers to ipod crash when i try to move files |
| 00:12:17 | dj-fu | did you install it correctly |
| 00:12:20 | dj-fu | and daily build or cvs build? |
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| 00:13:22 | user01 | cvs build |
| 00:13:36 | user01 | rockbox works |
| 00:13:44 | user01 | and the apple build works |
| 00:14:00 | user01 | transferring files as a flash disk dosen,t |
| 00:14:15 | user01 | it says do not disconnect |
| 00:14:22 | user01 | then says ok to disconnect |
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| 00:15:27 | dj-fu | pass |
| 00:15:33 | user01 | dj-fu: firewire worked in the beginning now doesnt, usb freezes |
| 00:15:33 | dj-fu | I don't have a 4g bw so I can't test it soz |
| 00:15:38 | dj-fu | my nano works sweet cvs |
| 00:16:13 | Febs | user01: What do you mean by "transferring files as a flash disk"? |
| 00:16:50 | dj-fu | probably disk mode |
| 00:17:00 | user01 | Febs: pluging in the ipod and the computer seeing it as a disk drive like a flash drive |
| 00:17:08 | dj-fu | how else are you doing it rofl? |
| 00:17:11 | dj-fu | :\ |
| 00:17:17 | dj-fu | trying to use itunes or something? |
| 00:17:28 | user01 | dj-fu: nope dont have itunes installed |
| 00:17:32 | dj-fu | then what? |
| 00:17:40 | user01 | dj-fu: though the manual states to use itunes |
| 00:17:58 | dj-fu | no it doesn't. |
| 00:18:00 | Febs | The Rockbox Manual certainly doesn't say that. |
| 00:18:07 | dj-fu | that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen |
| 00:18:13 | dj-fu | heard/seen rather |
| 00:18:46 | user01 | "ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk" |
| 00:18:53 | Febs | user01: when you plug in the iPod via USB, is it assigned a drive letter? |
| 00:18:54 | user01 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 00:18:54 | ^BeN^ | someone have a free pdf to word converter? |
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| 00:19:43 | Febs | OK, *using* iTunes is different from telling iTunes not to screw with your ability to access the ipod as a disk. |
| 00:19:51 | user01 | dj-fu: what are you saying about disk mode? |
| 00:20:00 | dj-fu | ipod have a disk mode |
| 00:20:24 | user01 | dj-fu: so what would i do if that is the problem? |
| 00:21:24 | dj-fu | you should only ever transfer music to rockbox as "as a flash disk" |
| 00:21:32 | dj-fu | that's how it's done. |
| 00:21:37 | dj-fu | that's half the point |
| 00:22:01 | user01 | dj-fu: when i connect it automatically goes to the apple firmware |
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| 00:22:09 | dj-fu | it's not designed to |
| 00:22:16 | dj-fu | it only boots the apple firmware if you hold menu |
| 00:22:52 | user01 | when im in rockbox and connect the ipod via usb it boots into apple firmwaer |
| 00:23:05 | dj-fu | no it doesn't ;\ |
| 00:23:10 | sharpe` | user01: you mean disk mode. |
| 00:23:16 | dj-fu | it loads the rockbox disk transfer |
| 00:23:31 | dj-fu | afaik |
| 00:23:33 | user01 | the apple logo comes on the screen |
| 00:23:39 | dj-fu | nothing to do with apple apart from the logo |
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| 00:24:01 | user01 | ok connect it apple logo and then apple message ok to disconnect |
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| 00:24:29 | dj-fu | NO |
| 00:24:30 | dj-fu | NO APPLE |
| 00:24:33 | dj-fu | I'm going to kill you. |
| 00:25:08 | PaulJam | dj-fu: rockbox has no usb mode on ipods, it (re)boots into apples disk mode |
| 00:25:14 | dj-fu | oh |
| 00:25:16 | dj-fu | there ya go then |
| 00:25:21 | dj-fu | no wonder it's a little slower ;P |
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| 00:25:40 | user01 | dj-fu: wondered when rockbox adapted the apple logo :) |
| 00:25:47 | Febs | user01: does the message say "OK to disconnect" or "Do not disconnect"? |
| 00:25:54 | user01 | ok to disconnect |
| 00:26:10 | user01 | Febs: the opposite of what it should |
| 00:26:23 | Febs | Try a different USB port. |
| 00:26:57 | sharpe | and be sure itunes isn't running... |
| 00:27:29 | user01 | i dont have itunes installed |
| 00:27:35 | sharpe | that's helpful |
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| 00:29:23 | user01 | user01: ok so i went to a different usb port it says do not diconnect, im transferring an ogg file and it says the path is too deep |
| 00:29:58 | user01 | trasferring it to g:\lossy\ |
| 00:30:03 | user01 | which is ipod |
| 00:30:12 | sharpe | from what path? |
| 00:30:24 | user01 | desktop |
| 00:30:30 | sharpe | ... |
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| 00:30:57 | sharpe | can you be... a little more specific? like an actual path? |
| 00:31:27 | Febs | That's an actual windows error message "Cannot transfer file: path too deep" or something like that. |
| 00:31:44 | * | Bagder checks character frequencies on mi4 files and gets depressed |
| 00:31:48 | user01 | sharp: standard windoze xp path C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop |
| 00:32:55 | Febs | I Googled that message fairly extensively about a week ago to try to help someone with a similar problem and didn't come up with anything particularly helpful. |
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| 00:33:41 | user01 | Febs: i had intially tried to transfer from my samba server and that wasnt working so i tried copying one file from desktop |
| 00:33:48 | user01 | im sure samba is much deeper |
| 00:36:14 | linuxstb | Bagder: Nothing helpful from sandisk yet then? |
| 00:36:21 | Bagder | nope |
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| 00:38:01 | merbanan | Bagder: any more boot loaders ? |
| 00:38:05 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:38:17 | Bagder | hm, no sorry |
| 00:38:22 | Bagder | just one more mi4 |
| 00:38:24 | Bagder | with big header |
| 00:38:25 | merbanan | :/ |
| 00:38:40 | user01 | febs: when i try to copy from samba it states cannot find specified folder |
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| 00:39:05 | user01 | when i drag and drop |
| 00:39:29 | Bagder | I need to read up on cryptoanalysis |
| 00:39:31 | linuxstb | Febs: I've just done a quick google, and I believe this answer: "path too deep = generic hardware failure message." |
| 00:39:47 | linuxstb | i.e. it's Windows being unhelpful with its error messages |
| 00:39:49 | sharpe | hooray for being generic! |
| 00:40:04 | Febs | How nice of Microsoft to be specific. |
| 00:40:18 | obo | had "path too deep" once on a old nt4 box, turned out to be a bad network card |
| 00:40:31 | linuxstb | I just read someone say the issue was his IDE cable... |
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| 00:41:38 | user01 | linuxstb: IDE cable on local computer? |
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| 00:41:50 | Febs | Sorry, user01, I don't have anything else that I can suggest, other than possibly trying a different iPod cable or maybe reformatting the iPod and reinstalling. |
| 00:42:24 | user01 | febs: yeah this time ill try transferring music before installing ipod |
| 00:42:26 | linuxstb | user01: Yes, that was the problem I read here: http://codebetter.com/blogs/sahil.malik/archive/2004/08/30/23742.aspx |
| 00:42:55 | user01 | linuxstb: thats strange its a sata drive there isnt an ide cable |
| 00:43:36 | scorche | user01: the point is that the "path too deep" error was because of a cable |
| 00:44:55 | preglow | ghah, shit |
| 00:45:02 | preglow | i've gotta get a job as a gardner or something |
| 00:45:18 | * | linuxstb needs a gardener... |
| 00:45:20 | Bagder | preglow: my lawn needs mowing |
| 00:45:29 | linuxstb | I offered first... |
| 00:45:33 | Bagder | darn |
| 00:45:36 | scorche | i just mowed my lawn... |
| 00:45:42 | preglow | haha |
| 00:45:43 | scorche | ugh |
| 00:45:45 | preglow | i can mow lawns, sure |
| 00:45:55 | preglow | my skills with the other elements of a garden is yet untested |
| 00:46:01 | preglow | but i can try, right! |
| 00:46:22 | scorche | preglow: my trimmer is broken...you can come by and do that part for me at least |
| 00:46:35 | preglow | what, trim with no trimmer? :> |
| 00:46:46 | scorche | i have scissors! |
| 00:46:47 | user01 | i think maybe there is a disk error |
| 00:47:13 | user01 | is there away to reformat ipod manually without running program? |
| 00:47:18 | preglow | maybe a gardener/baker combo |
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| 00:47:50 | scorche | hmmm...i am craving for some really good sweet rolls |
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| 00:48:03 | preglow | i'm leet at baking rolls and bread |
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| 00:48:09 | preglow | now let's discuss my salary |
| 00:48:20 | sharpe | find a job as a baker... :D |
| 00:48:25 | user01 | tried running apple firmware to reset ipod and it stated firmware update failure disk write error. |
| 00:48:27 | * | Febs suspects preglow's salary can be paid in beer. |
| 00:48:28 | preglow | the hours are hell |
| 00:48:36 | preglow | Febs: beer and a bed :> |
| 00:48:48 | scorche | preglow: i can provide that! |
| 00:49:13 | sharpe | what about transportation? |
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| 00:50:08 | preglow | pft, i'll walk |
| 00:50:29 | user01 | is there anything in rockbox to reformat ipod? |
| 00:50:38 | preglow | user01: no |
| 00:50:40 | sharpe | user01: no. |
| 00:51:24 | linuxstb | No, but the firmware isn't written to the FAT32 partition - it's written before that on the disk. So it sounds like you have more serious problems. |
| 00:51:42 | sharpe | dramatic music |
| 00:51:58 | user01 | sharpe: so how do i resolve these problems? |
| 00:52:48 | user01 | sharpe: there is nothing on it of value i just got it :p |
| 00:52:56 | sharpe | which problems? |
| 00:53:01 | sharpe | just formatting? |
| 00:53:12 | user01 | sharpe: formatting and starting all over |
| 00:53:32 | sharpe | well, you could just use the ipod updater's restore function... |
| 00:54:09 | user01 | which i just tried and didnt work... |
| 00:54:23 | user01 | it just freezes |
| 00:54:37 | linuxstb | You said you've tried both firewire and USB? |
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| 00:55:08 | user01 | firewire doesnt work anymore usb sometimes does sometimes doesnt |
| 00:55:11 | user01 | mostly doesnt |
| 00:55:54 | linuxstb | So that mostly rules out your cables and USB/firewire ports being the issue. Which just leaves the ipod... |
| 00:56:14 | sharpe | heheh... |
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| 00:56:28 | linuxstb | if it's a hardware problem, there's not much to do apart from cry... |
| 00:56:39 | user01 | wimper |
| 00:56:43 | sharpe | sob |
| 00:56:43 | Ribs | iPods are unrealiable |
| 00:56:52 | * | Ribs got a extended warrenty with his |
| 00:56:55 | sharpe | weep, also... |
| 00:57:08 | scorche | applecare... |
| 00:57:16 | linuxstb | user01: Do you have a warranty? |
| 00:57:32 | user01 | linuxstb: just bought it through apple refurbished |
| 00:57:44 | user01 | 1 yr limited warranty |
| 00:57:54 | user01 | only had it a day |
| 00:58:04 | linuxstb | Does the Rockbox bootloader still show up when you boot? |
| 00:58:09 | user01 | yep |
| 00:58:13 | preglow | ouch |
| 00:58:21 | user01 | linuxstb: can i erase that? |
| 00:58:31 | user01 | for warranty issues? |
| 00:58:43 | linuxstb | You can try using ipodpatcher.exe to rewrite your original bootpartition.bin - if you kept it. |
| 00:59:16 | user01 | if it was in the steps i might have... |
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| 00:59:50 | linuxstb | The instructions advise you to keep it, and definitely don't say to delete it. |
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| 01:02:41 | user01 | oh wait i think the refreshed hosed the filesystem phew! |
| 01:03:13 | user01 | www.apple.com/support/ipod ! error messaeg on boot now |
| 01:03:50 | linuxstb | Good :) Now delete the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder if you can. |
| 01:04:19 | linuxstb | You'll have to force it into disk mode - reset using MENU+SELECT and then hold PLAY+SELECT |
| 01:04:38 | preglow | then empty the garbage can... |
| 01:04:54 | sharpe | preglow: i already did that today... |
| 01:05:10 | sharpe | there were some cans and papers in it. |
| 01:05:14 | user01 | it just says ok to disconnect |
| 01:05:30 | user01 | and disk mode |
| 01:05:40 | user01 | and it wasnt connected to anything when i rebooted it |
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| 01:06:26 | esoteric | heyo |
| 01:06:39 | esoteric | just installed rockbox for the first time, freaking sweet so far |
| 01:06:43 | esoteric | thanks :D |
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| 01:07:47 | esoteric | cheif? |
| 01:08:09 | scorche | i before e except after c |
| 01:08:34 | scorche | or when sounded like eh as in neighbor and weigh? |
| 01:08:46 | esoteric | word says Chief :P |
| 01:10:19 | Mikachu | ch isn't c |
| 01:10:32 | esoteric | so i have a question, im using rockbox on my 5g ipod and i want to do filetree music listing instead of gay itunes tag database. do I need to delete all the music already on my ipod and just copy the music by hand to the ipod? |
| 01:10:45 | Mikachu | yes |
| 01:11:14 | esoteric | thought as much |
| 01:11:31 | esoteric | this is such as sweet program, going to save me hours and hours of tag editing |
| 01:11:35 | Mikachu | you could in theory use the tag info to rename them with some program, but it would probably take longer |
| 01:12:13 | esoteric | my files are already named right |
| 01:12:14 | esoteric | and organized |
| 01:12:18 | esoteric | so this is perfect |
| 01:13:05 | esoteric | so everything under ipod_control/music delete and just copy like normal? |
| 01:13:50 | linuxstb | If you don't want to use the apple firmware, just delete the entire ipod_control folder. |
| 01:14:12 | user01 | weird the program is working to format the ipod on the other computer |
| 01:14:27 | esoteric | if something goes awry, could i also just copy it back linux? |
| 01:15:21 | linuxstb | Yes. Or just let the apple firmware and/or itunes recreate it. |
| 01:15:30 | esoteric | ahhh clever. |
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| 01:18:06 | esoteric | it always amazed how simple the ipods menus and options were |
| 01:30:30 | user01 | hmmm you wont believe this... |
| 01:31:13 | user01 | i went to an old 900 Mhz computer and am able to run to restuaration in french on it :P |
| 01:31:40 | user01 | ai usb 1.1 speed |
| 01:32:29 | user01 | does it matter what folder i put tunes into? |
| 01:35:08 | spiorf | hi, can i use rockbox with ipodlinux and apple's original firmware all together in my ipod nano? |
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| 01:35:29 | preglow | yea |
| 01:36:08 | spiorf | the key combination to boot the original firmware will boot the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 01:36:24 | linuxstb | You only need one bootloader... |
| 01:36:39 | spiorf | and how i choose what to boot? |
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| 01:37:28 | linuxstb | If you use the Rockbox bootloader, you will get Rockbox by default, the Apple firmware if you hold MENU whilst booting, and Linux if you hold PLAY whilst booting. |
| 01:37:43 | linuxstb | If you use ipodloader2 from the ipodlinux project, you'll get a customisable menu. |
| 01:37:56 | sharpe | i still have my customizable bootloader... :D |
| 01:38:10 | user01 | dont ask me how but i was able to restore my ipod on a different computer... |
| 01:38:28 | sharpe | user01: how? |
| 01:38:30 | spiorf | i have to install rockbox before or after installing ipodlinux? |
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| 01:38:44 | linuxstb | It's best to install ipodlinux first, as it requires repartitioning. |
| 01:39:00 | linuxstb | For Rockbox, you just download a zip file and unzip it to your ipod's FAT partition. |
| 01:39:09 | user01 | an older french version of windows :D |
| 01:39:36 | sharpe | heh... |
| 01:39:41 | user01 | i just basically hit a bunch of buttons and it worked... |
| 01:39:46 | sharpe | so much for being rhetoric... |
| 01:40:02 | spiorf | wow, i have already installed ipodlinux |
| 01:41:01 | linuxstb | spiorf: Do you have a boot menu already then? |
| 01:41:21 | spiorf | novimon, but i can try to install ipodloader2 |
| 01:41:50 | spiorf | is this necessary? or this howto −− http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall#iPod |
| 01:41:54 | spiorf | will work? |
| 01:42:10 | spiorf | with ipodloader 1 i mean |
| 01:42:11 | user01 | firewire is working again on other computer! only one thing left...try to install rockbox again! |
| 01:42:31 | linuxstb | spiorf: No - you need to replace loader1 with either loader2 or the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 01:43:54 | spiorf | there is on the wiki instructions to configure ipodloader2 to boot rockbox? |
| 01:44:07 | sharpe | there is in the ipodlinux wiki |
| 01:45:57 | linuxstb | spiorf: There's no configuration needed - just download the rockbox.zip for your ipod from the daily builds page and unzip it to your ipod. |
| 01:46:14 | linuxstb | The ipodloader2 menu will auto-detect it and display a Rockbox option. |
| 01:47:06 | spiorf | the tecnology is amazing :) |
| 01:47:30 | Zweiundvierzig | American ISP Verizon is blocking non-US mail! < ahaha xD |
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| 01:48:10 | spiorf | they are safe now, no spam comes from US |
| 01:49:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:50:44 | spiorf | installing themes from WpsIpodNano is simply a matter of unpacking in root, right? |
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| 01:58:54 | user01 | hmmm rockbox doesnt work with firewire |
| 01:58:57 | linuxstb | spiorf: Check the paths in the zip files first - you may need to unzip them into the .rockbox folder |
| 01:59:18 | linuxstb | user01: Rockbox doesn't detect it, no. You'll need to manually put your ipod in disk mode. |
| 01:59:20 | spiorf | yes i see |
| 01:59:35 | user01 | linuxstb: how do i do this? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:19 | linuxstb | If you're in Rockbox, hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately hold PLAY+SELECT |
| 02:00:33 | linuxstb | ... and then insert your firewire cable. |
| 02:00:55 | user01 | linuxstb: si it dangerous that it was already inserte? |
| 02:01:12 | linuxstb | No. It probably makes no difference... |
| 02:01:26 | linuxstb | That's just the order I would do things in. |
| 02:01:35 | user01 | linuxstb: in apps like tetris...adn the text editor ...how do you exit? |
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| 02:02:09 | linuxstb | Either SELECT+MENU or (if it's not used for something else) MENU by itself will exit plugins. |
| 02:02:14 | esoteric | anyone have a decent estimate of the increased battery drain from rockbox compared to ipod's default? |
| 02:03:01 | user01 | linuxstb: its working like its supposed to now thanks for all your help :) |
| 02:03:05 | linuxstb | Check the IpodRuntime wiki page - I think people have reported more than 10 hours with Rockbox on the 5g. |
| 02:03:31 | esoteric | runtime page perfect, thanks man |
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| 02:04:03 | linuxstb | It's in need of more people performing tests and posting the results, but it will give you a rough idea. |
| 02:04:26 | linuxstb | it would also be interesting to see people doing the same test in Apple's firmware. |
| 02:05:16 | dj-fu | 10hours is about normal |
| 02:05:22 | dj-fu | according to the apple site, they get 10hours while testing the nano |
| 02:05:29 | dj-fu | and I get roughly 7-8 off ogg 256k playback |
| 02:05:34 | esoteric | i think 5g video is supposed to get like 20 hours |
| 02:05:37 | dj-fu | s/off/of/ |
| 02:05:40 | esoteric | playing just music |
| 02:05:43 | user01 | linuxstb: is there a way to have rockbox load apple firware normally using menu + select ? |
| 02:05:43 | esoteric | 5g 60gb that is |
| 02:06:01 | dj-fu | user01: hold 'menu' while it's booting |
| 02:06:13 | user01 | dj-fu: thanks! |
| 02:06:15 | dj-fu | rockbox will say "loading original firmware" and then load iPod |
| 02:06:30 | dj-fu | Hold it down as soon as you reboot, it's kinda picky about timing ;] |
| 02:06:36 | Zweiundvierzig | G'night |
| 02:06:42 | dj-fu | toodles. |
| 02:07:02 | user01 | dj-fu: my guess to what when wrong is that the apple cd didnt go through the procedure of formatting the disk first, and just named it a windows partition when it was actually still an apple one |
| 02:07:49 | user01 | grrrrrrr i can listen to ogg and flac files finally this is soooo cool |
| 02:08:28 | linuxstb | user01: To answer your question - no. |
| 02:09:11 | user01 | linuxstb: no... to what? |
| 02:09:29 | dj-fu | you can't listen to your DRM music. |
| 02:09:46 | linuxstb | user01: To make Rockbox boot the Apple firmware when you hold MENU+SELECT |
| 02:09:57 | dj-fu | is it menu+select? |
| 02:10:00 | dj-fu | I thought it was just menu |
| 02:10:03 | * | dj-fu hides |
| 02:10:41 | Zweiundvierzig | Menu+Select to reboot, then Menu to boot the Apple firmware |
| 02:10:42 | Zweiundvierzig | :P |
| 02:10:43 | Zweiundvierzig | < Gone |
| 02:10:50 | linuxstb | I thought user01 was asking for Rockbox to default to loading the Apple firmware, rather than defaulting to Rockbox. |
| 02:10:58 | dj-fu | o |
| 02:11:05 | linuxstb | But maybe I misunderstood... |
| 02:11:09 | dj-fu | Maybe I did ; |
| 02:11:14 | dj-fu | user01: ask questions properly! |
| 02:11:15 | user01 | linuxstb: oh thats a good qusetion too but i was asking the other one first |
| 02:11:54 | user01 | linuxstb: i wanted to know both and i got an answer to both and i did it with one question instead of two...so i used a good compression format for the questions |
| 02:12:00 | linuxstb | But yes, holding MENU immediately after resetting should start the Apple firmware if you time it correctly - the key detection is very picky. |
| 02:12:08 | dj-fu | told ya ; |
| 02:12:20 | * | linuxstb should go to sleep |
| 02:12:24 | * | dj-fu nods |
| 02:12:34 | dj-fu | apple firmware sucks |
| 02:12:36 | dj-fu | imho |
| 02:12:52 | linuxstb | It was a good motivation to get Rockbox ported. |
| 02:13:04 | dj-fu | aye |
| 02:13:28 | linuxstb | Although lots of people like it, and just use Rockbox for games.... |
| 02:13:50 | dj-fu | I like my oggs |
| 02:14:05 | user01 | nah i need my oggs and flacs |
| 02:14:35 | user01 | rockbox games are cool though...but i wouldnt haev bought a black and white if that was my sole purpose |
| 02:15:36 | dj-fu | heh, they've just caused less battery life for me |
| 02:15:43 | dj-fu | my woman won't stop playing bejeweled |
| 02:15:49 | dj-fu | or w/ever the hell it is. |
| 02:16:49 | user01 | transferring via firewire is nice |
| 02:17:15 | dj-fu | meh |
| 02:17:17 | dj-fu | usb 2.0 is faster |
| 02:17:18 | dj-fu | afaik. |
| 02:18:24 | dj-fu | FireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s data rates (actually 98.304, 196.608, or 393.216 Mbit/s, but commonly referred to as S100, S200, and S400) |
| 02:18:32 | dj-fu | as opposed to 480Mbit/s w/ usb2.0 |
| 02:18:52 | dj-fu | I doubt the hdd based ipods could get anywhere near that, though |
| 02:20:55 | dj-fu | that is unless the firewire is using p1394c or something, with the encoding scheme |
| 02:21:00 | dj-fu | anyway, </monologue> afk. |
| 02:22:14 | user01 | is there a way to put a boot password on rockbox? that would be cool |
| 02:24:20 | sharpe | user01: there has been a previous request for a similar feature |
| 02:25:48 | esoteric | is there a way to click a song and add it to any existing playlist? |
| 02:26:25 | sharpe | many, actually... |
| 02:27:24 | esoteric | with default configs or do i need to snoop around for some? |
| 02:27:44 | user01 | now to updgrade i just write over the cvs files in the zip ? |
| 02:27:46 | sharpe | oh, i meant to the password-type suggestion |
| 02:28:09 | sharpe | esoteric: hold select on the song and you should get a menu. |
| 02:28:39 | user01 | sharpe: would a password solution really work though if all ud need to do would eb to plug it into a usb port? |
| 02:28:57 | sharpe | user01: nope, wouldn't really be much of use at all. |
| 02:29:43 | user01 | unless it could be reformatted with disk encryption |
| 02:31:08 | sharpe | actually, probably better off having another partition that is encrypted; as rockbox works only on a FAT partition. |
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| 02:42:15 | esoteric | robin williams on whose line |
| 02:42:16 | esoteric | badass |
| 02:44:29 | Mikachu | a boot password would still be useful if you're at a party or something and don't want someone to accidentally remove all your music |
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| 02:45:43 | sharpe | yeah, but how often is your music only on your ipod, and not somewhere else? |
| 02:46:10 | Mikachu | it would still be an inconvenience at the party, maybe it is away from your computer and you don't have a cable |
| 02:46:31 | Mikachu | although it would hardly be off in the first place under such circumstances |
| 02:46:34 | sharpe | what; you don't carry a usb cable with you everywhere you go? |
| 02:46:44 | Mikachu | i never carry it |
| 02:46:51 | sharpe | sarcasm. |
| 02:47:04 | Mikachu | sorry, i had my sarcasm-meter off |
| 02:47:24 | sharpe | :) |
| 02:47:44 | Mikachu | a new cable costs more than i would be willing to pay for an mp3 player last time i checked :) |
| 02:47:50 | Mikachu | i do not want to lose it |
| 02:49:07 | sharpe | what kind of player are we talking about? |
| 02:49:12 | Mikachu | ipod nano |
| 02:49:14 | Mikachu | i won it |
| 02:49:36 | sharpe | (not that it's cheap;) 25$? and 15$ in some cases? |
| 02:51:06 | sharpe | what kind of cables are you buying? |
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| 03:00:06 | sharpe | scorche! |
| 03:00:23 | scorche | i think my modem doesnt like me anymore... |
| 03:00:35 | sharpe | yes, it is now sentient. |
| 03:00:49 | scorche | it always was |
| 03:00:57 | sharpe | sure... |
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| 03:25:47 | esoteric | When scrolling through music, is there an addin to allow you to pick a letter to jump to? sometimes its a pain to scroll through 400 songs just to get some song starting with t |
| 03:26:58 | sharpe | nope. |
| 03:27:03 | sharpe | but you could... |
| 03:27:26 | sharpe | not have 400 songs in one directory? :\ |
| 03:27:50 | esoteric | well, its all singles |
| 03:28:05 | esoteric | hrmm.. i wonder if that would be do-able some how |
| 03:28:20 | esoteric | my friends dell mp3 player has it, its really handy |
| 03:28:50 | sharpe | maybe use tagcache and sort the songs by the artist...? |
| 03:29:13 | esoteric | i hate tags, thats why i go rockbox |
| 03:29:26 | esoteric | just figured i'd ask real quick |
| 03:29:32 | esoteric | i got pimp theme though |
| 03:29:41 | sharpe | okay... |
| 03:29:43 | esoteric | its amazing what this program can do |
| 03:29:53 | sharpe | :) |
| 03:29:59 | esoteric | you help code? |
| 03:30:14 | scorche | he is the person we slap when we get frustrated |
| 03:30:16 | scorche | =D |
| 03:30:18 | sharpe | nope not a dev; just a 'rockbox expert' in the forums. |
| 03:30:23 | scorche | grrrr |
| 03:30:24 | sharpe | which scorche is not... :) |
| 03:30:33 | scorche | which no one knows why =O |
| 03:30:46 | scorche | meh...i rarely post on the forums anyway |
| 03:30:53 | esoteric | haha nice |
| 03:31:07 | sharpe | i do, do some coding though. |
| 03:31:31 | esoteric | scorche, you dont happen to know if anyone has coded some functionality like that do ya? |
| 03:31:36 | esoteric | what do you guys code in? |
| 03:31:44 | sharpe | rockbox is coded in c. |
| 03:31:46 | scorche | C |
| 03:31:50 | esoteric | from scratch isnt? |
| 03:31:53 | sharpe | aye. |
| 03:31:59 | esoteric | impressive |
| 03:32:03 | scorche | esoteric: i have not heard of a plugin of that type |
| 03:32:20 | sharpe | i mainly do plugins and such... :) |
| 03:32:34 | scorche | errr... *patch |
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| 03:33:17 | scorche | although it wouldnt be too hard to press a button combo and each click could go through letters instead of individual entried |
| 03:33:21 | scorche | ugh..i cant type |
| 03:33:21 | sharpe | esoteric: but, you could also change the scrolling speed, to scroll through the list quicker. |
| 03:33:48 | sharpe | scorche: yeah. can't do many things, can you? |
| 03:33:52 | scorche | and there are patches for click wheel acceleration |
| 03:34:01 | esoteric | haha |
| 03:34:05 | scorche | sharpe: and what is that supposed to mean? |
| 03:34:17 | scorche | >_> |
| 03:34:18 | sharpe | scorche: oh, nothing, nothing at all... |
| 03:34:19 | esoteric | click through letters would be just as good |
| 03:34:21 | scorche | <_< |
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| 03:35:07 | scorche | esoteric: i think that the hardest part about that is setting up the button combo to initiate that mode =P |
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| 03:35:52 | esoteric | could you point me at a faq or tutorial to get me started? :D |
| 03:36:18 | sharpe | yeah, scorche. get him started. |
| 03:36:41 | scorche | esoteric: do you know c? |
| 03:37:06 | esoteric | oh no |
| 03:37:15 | esoteric | i thought it was going to be a cfg editing crap |
| 03:37:18 | sharpe | oh noes... |
| 03:37:43 | esoteric | ah nm then sorry boutthat |
| 03:37:49 | scorche | np =) |
| 03:38:12 | * | scorche glares at sharpe |
| 03:38:13 | esoteric | the extent of my editing/'coding' anymore is .cfg and excel macros ;) |
| 03:38:30 | esoteric | i can uninstall itunes finally hooray! |
| 03:38:41 | sharpe | there are plenty of tutorials on c around... |
| 03:39:08 | scorche | yeah, sharpe, get him started. |
| 03:39:18 | sharpe | yeah. i will. |
| 03:39:51 | sharpe | google 'c programming tutorials' |
| 03:39:55 | sharpe | :D |
| 03:40:42 | esoteric | <3 google |
| 03:43:53 | esoteric | so aside from make badass mp3 player programs, what do you guys do |
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| 03:44:16 | sharpe | i can't really speak for much anyone else, except for scorche, maybe. |
| 03:46:07 | sharpe | in his case: nothing of importance. |
| 03:46:29 | esoteric | haha |
| 03:48:39 | esoteric | i think im going to try a theme |
| 03:48:44 | esoteric | make, that is., |
| 03:48:59 | sharpe | good luck? |
| 03:49:00 | esoteric | i used to love making themes for litestep; you fellas ever use that? |
| 03:49:13 | sharpe | i did for a few minutes... |
| 03:49:33 | scorche | sharpe: ... |
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| 03:49:45 | sharpe | then i just used bblean, and now SharpE; which has no connection with me whatsoever. |
| 03:49:58 | sharpe | scorche: :) |
| 03:50:30 | scorche | sharpe: dont be hatin' just because my handle is one letter longer |
| 03:50:52 | sharpe | yes, i'm so envious of that one letter. |
| 03:50:57 | scorche | i know |
| 03:51:10 | scorche | sorry that i mentioned it, but you were getting a bit out of hand |
| 03:51:31 | scorche | had to something that would produce a sobering effect on you |
| 03:51:37 | scorche | *do |
| 03:51:47 | sharpe | but mine takes less space to send, making it quicker to transmit my messages... |
| 03:52:15 | scorche | auto-completion ftw |
| 03:52:23 | sharpe | indeed. |
| 03:53:24 | sharpe | i still need to find something to do. |
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| 03:59:50 | esoteric | read a book? |
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| 04:00:04 | sharpe | not preferred |
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| 04:01:36 | esoteric | movie? |
| 04:02:04 | sharpe | meh, dunno. |
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| 04:02:44 | {EDF}SS | seen Mikachu |
| 04:07:05 | sharpe | Mikachu was last seen an hour and fourteen minutes ago. |
| 04:07:22 | {EDF}SS | thanks |
| 04:07:28 | sharpe | anytime. |
| 04:07:34 | scorche | !leave sharpe |
| 04:07:35 | sharpe | actually, the last time he talked. |
| 04:08:41 | sharpe | scorche: Hah. |
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| 04:10:58 | sharpe | flibble flarble. |
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| 04:12:32 | sharpe | i'll make a list of all the things i plan on buying. |
| 04:13:29 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: what is it? |
| 04:13:34 | toxicfume | rockbox seems so dead now |
| 04:13:45 | sharpe | toxicfume: why's that? |
| 04:13:53 | {EDF}SS | hi Mikachu - how do I make it stop and charge when I plug it in?! |
| 04:14:02 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: hold menu |
| 04:14:07 | Mikachu | {EDF}SS: as you insert the cable |
| 04:14:16 | {EDF}SS | sheesh, secret codes to do everything in your build :P |
| 04:14:28 | Mikachu | that is the code to not stop normally, i inverted the check |
| 04:15:46 | {EDF}SS | holding menu it briefly flashes the usb picture on the screen, then just boots normally |
| 04:16:00 | Mikachu | hm, okay, i never actually tried it |
| 04:16:22 | Mikachu | i guess reboot to apple os then, it's what i do |
| 04:16:46 | {EDF}SS | alright... |
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| 04:30:57 | esoteric | lala |
| 04:31:10 | esoteric | is 3.0 going to have some huge updates in it? |
| 04:31:30 | sharpe | ah... |
| 04:31:30 | scorche | bugfixes |
| 04:32:06 | esoteric | nice |
| 04:32:08 | esoteric | month or two? |
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| 04:32:25 | Mikachu | the hope is that it has been out for 2 months now |
| 04:32:34 | esoteric | haha |
| 04:33:31 | sharpe | sure |
| 04:33:35 | sharpe | yay |
| 04:33:36 | sharpe | me |
| 04:33:37 | sharpe | yay! |
| 04:36:35 | Febs | esoteric: 3.0 will have exactly the same features that you currently see in the daily builds. |
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| 04:38:04 | esoteric | ahhh |
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| 04:39:09 | esoteric | sharpe; i ended up just dividing my singles in folders from A-M and N-Z |
| 04:39:13 | esoteric | much easier ;) |
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| 04:44:01 | sharpe | esoteric: heheh |
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| 05:31:09 | JdGordon | yay optimization! |
| 05:34:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | YAY |
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| 05:49:32 | esoteric | is there a way to drag and drop playlists into a file and copy it to an ipod with rockbox |
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| 05:49:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox uses M3U playlists. Many programs support generating them |
| 05:50:54 | esoteric | nice |
| 05:51:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, probably most popular audio players, including Winamp and Foobar2000 |
| 05:52:47 | esoteric | and WMP i believe |
| 05:53:33 | scorche | WMP uses their own playlists: wpl |
| 05:54:24 | esoteric | ahh |
| 05:54:29 | esoteric | ill have to install winamp then |
| 05:55:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just remember to point it at the files on your player, and not the copies on your HD. ;) |
| 05:55:46 | sharpe | would be quite fun if it still worked. |
| 05:56:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does if the directory structure is identical |
| 05:57:34 | esoteric | how do you guys make them? |
| 05:57:55 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: yeh. |
| 05:58:13 | sharpe | esoteric: you mean, playlists? |
| 05:58:41 | esoteric | yup |
| 05:58:45 | esoteric | personally |
| 05:58:51 | sharpe | well... |
| 05:59:33 | sharpe | i don't usually answer personal questions... but... well... i usually listen to albums at once; from one artist. |
| 05:59:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I use Rockbox to make my playlists |
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| 06:00:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Most of the time I listen to just albums, but sometimes I'll stick two or three ablums in a playlist and save it for future use |
| 06:00:47 | scorche | i use rockbox most of the time as well |
| 06:00:49 | sharpe | indeed |
| 06:00:54 | esoteric | ahhh |
| 06:01:06 | esoteric | so you guys dont usually pick out like 50 random songs like i do ;) |
| 06:01:29 | scorche | esoteric: i do sometimes....dynamic playlists are great |
| 06:02:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | But picking out 50 random songs is something you'd want to do on the player anyway |
| 06:05:06 | esoteric | true true |
| 06:06:17 | scorche | and if i want 50 random songs (that i dont want to pick out), i just play my playlist with every song on there and set it to shuffle |
| 06:06:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what I do too. |
| 06:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | :) |
| 06:09:11 | esoteric | welp bout bed time |
| 06:09:17 | esoteric | thanks for all the help fellas, have a good one |
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| 06:14:19 | wehn | *whoops* |
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| 06:57:22 | madgoat | hello? |
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| 06:57:46 | sharpe | eh... |
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| 06:58:36 | paperangel | is rockbox better than the default firmware on the 5g ipod video? i see support for ogg and such but i dont know if i should change to it |
| 06:59:03 | sharpe | you can always boot back into the original firmware with rockbox installed |
| 06:59:18 | paperangel | how do i install it, just put it in the root directory? |
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| 07:00:07 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 07:00:09 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 07:00:16 | paperangel | thank you |
| 07:00:20 | sharpe | anytime. |
| 07:01:52 | paperangel | is there a mac way? |
| 07:01:57 | paperangel | im on a mac G3 |
| 07:02:02 | sharpe | yes |
| 07:02:08 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX |
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| 07:03:35 | EbErT | mac way is a pain |
| 07:03:47 | EbErT | i'd just use a pc for the install |
| 07:04:07 | EbErT | gotta set invisible folders visible on mac too |
| 07:04:12 | EbErT | like .rockbox |
| 07:04:25 | paperangel | yah, i found it |
| 07:04:29 | paperangel | im a linux man mainly. |
| 07:05:58 | paperangel | where you guys from? |
| 07:06:11 | scorche | all over |
| 07:06:29 | sharpe | scorche doesn't really exist though. |
| 07:06:45 | scorche | well...i exist only in sharpe's dreams |
| 07:06:55 | sharpe | he likes to think he exists. |
| 07:07:19 | paperangel | lol. |
| 07:07:36 | paperangel | what do you guys do for a living? |
| 07:07:54 | sharpe | stuff? |
| 07:08:41 | scorche | ya know....there are 103 people in here....asking those types of questions...is....well... |
| 07:09:23 | paperangel | lol |
| 07:09:27 | sharpe | however only around twenty of them actually participate in/with rockbox on a regular basis. know what i mean? |
| 07:09:34 | paperangel | yes. |
| 07:10:11 | scorche | sharpe: so which 20 are they?....there better not be 21 |
| 07:10:25 | paperangel | you guys dont like telling people about yourselves, do you? |
| 07:10:32 | sharpe | scorche: i also said, 'about twenty' |
| 07:10:36 | scorche | i am shy |
| 07:10:39 | * | scorche blushes |
| 07:10:42 | sharpe | hence, leaving some variation in the number. |
| 07:10:59 | scorche | and bored to the point that i would even be responding to this |
| 07:11:01 | paperangel | lol |
| 07:11:11 | * | paperangel pokes scorche |
| 07:12:06 | scorche | o_O |
| 07:13:16 | paperangel | lol |
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| 07:14:25 | sharpe | we lose more users that way... |
| 07:15:04 | scorche | he could have asked #apple for an unbiased opinion of which is better too =P |
| 07:15:39 | sharpe | what are the chances of that opinion being biased? |
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| 07:28:48 | paperangel | is ipodlinux better than rock box? |
| 07:35:43 | Bg3r | paperangel depends on what do you want to do on your ipod :P |
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| 07:41:15 | paperangel | hey Bg3r |
| 07:41:40 | paperangel | have you installed rockbox using mac before? |
| 07:47:30 | scorche | mmmmm.... |
| 07:47:36 | scorche | <3 cake batter |
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| 07:49:00 | paperangel | can i say whore here? |
| 07:49:16 | paperangel | apparently so |
| 07:49:22 | paperangel | your a whore scorche. |
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| 07:50:04 | scorche | the sad part about this, is that you have only known me for not quite an hour |
| 07:50:23 | paperangel | i know. |
| 07:51:37 | Bg3r | paperangel, please, stop talking bullsh.ts or leave, okay ? |
| 07:52:29 | paperangel | i was joking. dont take things so seriously. |
| 07:52:46 | paperangel | sorry, if i offended you. |
| 07:53:16 | paperangel | anywho, how are you scorche? |
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| 08:51:21 | ac | hi all |
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| 09:02:38 | B4gder | hey |
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| 09:04:13 | ac | What needs to be done for Voice Support? |
| 09:04:32 | B4gder | you read the docs |
| 09:07:09 | ac | i have looked into the docs, but cann't find any todos or fixmes... will check bugtracker |
| 09:07:35 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto |
| 09:07:54 | B4gder | linked from the page called "Documentation" in the left menu |
| 09:08:43 | theli_ua | hm ... i suppose release will include manual :D ? |
| 09:08:56 | B4gder | yeah that's the general plan |
| 09:09:42 | theli_ua | hope most will read it... |
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| 09:14:47 | sharpe | i just thought i'd say, goodnight everyone. |
| 09:14:52 | Mikachu | old dos games used to ask for a specific word on a specific page in the manual before allowing you to start the game |
| 09:16:54 | B4gder | and old knights had to answer to questions about swallows before being allowed to cross bridges |
| 09:17:19 | * | B4gder ducks |
| 09:17:35 | sharpe | and people with email accounts have to enter a password before accessing their account. |
| 09:17:38 | Mikachu | maybe they were on to something |
| 09:18:10 | sharpe | maybe something like, a password-like system... |
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| 09:28:56 | amiconn | B4gder: (theoretical question so far) Would it be possible to put multiple build servers behind one NAT router? |
| 09:29:13 | amiconn | ..i.e. is it possible to use a non-standard ssh port? |
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| 09:30:03 | B4gder | amiconn: yeah, should indeed be possible |
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| 09:38:42 | petur | 'morning.... |
| 09:39:37 | Zagor | gotta love antivirus programs |
| 09:39:42 | B4gder | morning! |
| 09:40:20 | * | petur thinks the recording screen needs a clear visual indication of what it's doing |
| 09:40:30 | Zagor | some moronic antivirus-scanner in Birmingham has been downloading 78GB from download.rockbox.org the last two days |
| 09:40:37 | petur | took me half a show to see I wasn't recording :( |
| 09:41:02 | Zagor | 437 copies of our vmware environment |
| 09:41:06 | B4gder | 78 gigabytes are many gigabytes |
| 09:41:21 | Zagor | blew up my bandwidth quota quite good, it did |
| 09:41:48 | petur | maybe somebody used some tool to map webspace to a drive |
| 09:42:04 | petur | and his virusscanner checked it out.... |
| 09:42:29 | JdGordon | its apple trying to destroy us.. |
| 09:42:35 | earHertz | Birmingham England or Birmingham Alabama USA? |
| 09:42:35 | petur | hahaha |
| 09:42:43 | B4gder | UK |
| 09:43:01 | earHertz | ah, good |
| 09:43:09 | petur | must have blown that user's bandwidth too |
| 09:43:31 | B4gder | yeah, it was from a single IP address and it is within a small range |
| 09:43:44 | earHertz | don't weant the US to look any stupider than we have too |
| 09:43:50 | earHertz | to |
| 09:43:54 | chendo | eh |
| 09:43:59 | chendo | you guys need to host stuff? |
| 09:44:03 | Zagor | earHertz: odds are it was a US scanner :-) |
| 09:44:08 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:44:10 | petur | rofl |
| 09:44:14 | chendo | i have 2TB on a dreamhost webhosting i want to use ;/ |
| 09:44:21 | chendo | 2tb of bandwidth, that is |
| 09:44:33 | B4gder | 2tb is a lot |
| 09:44:42 | chendo | yes, yes it is |
| 09:44:50 | chendo | i only use like 5% and i'm hosting like 20 sites |
| 09:44:53 | earHertz | Zagor: yeah, and we elected Bush. America's looking bad these days. |
| 09:45:24 | * | earHertz pretens to be French or something |
| 09:45:39 | petur | earHertz: if you elected Bush, you don't *look* bad, you *are* ;) |
| 09:46:12 | earHertz | petur: well, I gave up my rent-controlled apartment to go to Ohio and work for Kerry, but yes, you're right |
| 09:46:23 | Zagor | chendo: thanks, but we're doing fine as it is. it's just annoying to find stuff like this. |
| 09:46:27 | chendo | k |
| 09:46:31 | chendo | if you need any hosting just ask |
| 09:46:35 | Zagor | yup, thanks |
| 09:47:49 | earHertz | In Europe, if you vote in the wrong place, does your vote count? |
| 09:48:25 | Zagor | we are many countries with different laws, you know :-) |
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| 09:48:42 | earHertz | yes, I know: but in your country? |
| 09:48:55 | B4gder | no, we can't vote in the wrong place afaik |
| 09:49:04 | B4gder | they don't accept your vote then |
| 09:49:11 | earHertz | ah, ok |
| 09:49:27 | B4gder | not that I tried ;-) |
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| 09:49:51 | earHertz | same in Ohio; I put together a databse for Kerry's campiagn to send voters to the right polling place |
| 09:53:45 | Bg3r | there was a slogan on a meeting with "The only bush i trust is mine. and a picture of pubic hair below it" :D |
| 09:56:04 | Bg3r | http://www.bradblog.com/Images/BushBlowJobImpeach_Med.jpg |
| 09:56:22 | earHertz | ;) |
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| 10:14:38 | spiorf | hi, i cannot boot the original apple's firmware in my ipod nano |
| 10:14:45 | spiorf | what should i put in the ipodloader.conf file? |
| 10:14:51 | spiorf | i'm using ipodloader 2.4 |
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| 10:15:04 | B4gder | spiorf: that's the ipodlinux loader |
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| 10:17:02 | spiorf | i know |
| 10:18:54 | earHertz | spiorf: B4gder's point might be that you should as in an ipodlinux forum |
| 10:19:21 | B4gder | I would assume such a forum would be more likely to provide useful answers |
| 10:19:43 | B4gder | you use ipodlinux loader and you want to load apple OF |
| 10:19:50 | B4gder | it doesn't say rockbox anywhere |
| 10:20:15 | spiorf | well, i was told here to use ipodloader 2 to boot apple/linux/rockbox |
| 10:20:27 | midkay | rockbox's loader can do that too.. |
| 10:20:28 | B4gder | yes, you can do that |
| 10:20:34 | spiorf | i don't pretend any help |
| 10:20:37 | earHertz | midkay: it can?? |
| 10:20:52 | midkay | earHertz, sure, just as MENU = appleos, PLAY = /linux.bin |
| 10:21:13 | spiorf | i just asked. if someone knows the answer and want to help me i'm happy |
| 10:21:15 | earHertz | midkay: What do I ned to do, add an ipodlinix partition? |
| 10:21:45 | linuxstb | spiorf: You were told that you could use either ipodloader2 or the Rockbox bootloader... But afaik, you don't need a config file for ipodloader2 - it's optional. |
| 10:21:54 | midkay | earHertz, yes.. probably even 100mb is fine, an ext3 partition anywhere.. |
| 10:22:11 | * | earHertz is trying to use the ipodlinuux arm emulator to do some arm assembly coding for rockbox linux |
| 10:22:19 | midkay | linux.bin goes in root of rockbox partition.. everything else goes according to instructions |
| 10:22:45 | earHertz | so i's use teh ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 10:22:59 | midkay | no.... |
| 10:23:05 | midkay | rockbox's bootloader can do it, as i just said. |
| 10:23:25 | spiorf | i'll try with a clean installation |
| 10:23:50 | earHertz | oh! |
| 10:24:11 | earHertz | I put linux.bin in the root of my filesystem partition? |
| 10:24:30 | linuxstb | earHertz: For the Rockbox bootloader, yes - in the FAT32 partition. |
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| 10:25:10 | earHertz | how well does ipodlinux work on a g5/ipod video? |
| 10:25:38 | B4gder | earHertz: http://download.rockbox.org/movies/ <= numerous movies showing it |
| 10:26:11 | B4gder | hm, in fact only one mentions it ;-) |
| 10:26:19 | earHertz | ;) |
| 10:28:24 | earHertz | am I wrong, or is memcpy NOT written in asembly for ARM targets? |
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| 10:29:06 | linuxstb | earHertz: Sounds right to me. It's one of the many things to be done for the ARM ports. |
| 10:29:20 | linuxstb | I think only memset has an ARM version. |
| 10:29:35 | earHertz | how'd we get memset and not mmecpy?? |
| 10:29:51 | linuxstb | Someone wrote memset, but non-one wrote memcpy... |
| 10:29:57 | linuxstb | ^no-one |
| 10:30:03 | earHertz | rhetorical question |
| 10:30:30 | B4gder | there's a memcpy.S for arm in the Linux kernel |
| 10:30:49 | earHertz | in ipodlinux? |
| 10:31:00 | B4gder | in the standard linux kernel |
| 10:31:06 | B4gder | so it should be in ipodlinux too |
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| 10:32:04 | earHertz | we shopuld steal it. especauly if it uses ldmxx instructions |
| 10:32:33 | linuxstb | Go ahead. I'm pretty sure the memset was taken from elsewhere. |
| 10:32:58 | earHertz | well, I want to run it through aremulater before ai do anything' |
| 10:33:12 | linuxstb | Yes, the memset is from the Linux kernel as well. |
| 10:35:28 | elljay | what are some good urls for rockbox devl? |
| 10:35:31 | B4gder | ls -1 linux-2.6.17.1/arch/arm/lib/*.S | wc -l |
| 10:35:31 | B4gder | 50 |
| 10:35:39 | B4gder | lots of fine assembler there ;-) |
| 10:36:10 | B4gder | elljay: www.rockbox.org then click "documentation" ;-) |
| 10:36:16 | earHertz | I didn't even know standard linux targeted arm machines |
| 10:36:22 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:36:25 | earHertz | damed open source developers |
| 10:36:32 | B4gder | I run linux on arm at work all days |
| 10:36:33 | elljay | there is alot of arm development for linux |
| 10:36:43 | elljay | embedded devices |
| 10:36:53 | B4gder | the Linux arm port is very mature |
| 10:37:32 | earHertz | I've been looking at hotdog;s arm assembly for teh ipod video lcd |
| 10:37:47 | earHertz | I understand −− wel;l, most of it, but some of teh details elude me |
| 10:40:32 | merbanan | B4gder: what was the block alignment size in the MI4 files ? |
| 10:41:08 | B4gder | you mean file size? 0x400 |
| 10:41:36 | merbanan | yes that was it, thanks |
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| 10:45:21 | * | linuxstb has a Nokia 770 running ARM linux... |
| 10:45:40 | scorche | how is that? |
| 10:45:48 | scorche | it seemed too much of a niche product to me |
| 10:45:54 | scorche | just internet tablet and all |
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| 10:46:05 | linuxstb | What do you mean "how"? |
| 10:46:26 | scorche | how do you like that? |
| 10:46:51 | linuxstb | It's growing on me. It's cool for listening to web radio... |
| 10:47:03 | scorche | do you really use it that much though? |
| 10:47:08 | linuxstb | But I may be doing a Real Work project using it, so I didn't pay for it myself. |
| 10:47:19 | scorche | enough to warrent its cost? |
| 10:47:22 | merbanan | B4gder: do you know at what offset the firmware is in the flash of PP based players ? :) |
| 10:47:26 | scorche | ah |
| 10:47:49 | linuxstb | No, I probably wouldn't have bought it myself - I would prefer to use a laptop. |
| 10:48:06 | B4gder | merbanan: I have no idea |
| 10:48:13 | linuxstb | It's main flaw IMO is that it tries to do more than its 220MHz ARM processor can cope with. |
| 10:48:30 | B4gder | 220 MHz is not a lot when you have a big screen |
| 10:48:34 | linuxstb | But a Rockbox port would fly.... |
| 10:48:49 | earHertz | How big is teh Nokia's screen? |
| 10:49:18 | * | B4gder once ran linux+qt on a 300MHz xscale on 800x600 |
| 10:49:55 | earHertz | B4gder: qt? a zsaurus? |
| 10:50:07 | B4gder | no, custom board/display thing |
| 10:50:11 | B4gder | Real Work |
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| 10:50:33 | earHertz | B4gder: what IS your real work? |
| 10:50:52 | B4gder | embedded development, hired professional |
| 10:51:02 | B4gder | I sell myself to anyone who pays ;-) |
| 10:51:19 | Bg3r | like a ... |
| 10:51:24 | Bg3r | :D |
| 10:51:28 | earHertz | so, somebody wants to program a cell phone or camera, you're the consultant? |
| 10:51:35 | B4gder | yeps |
| 10:51:46 | earHertz | sweet |
| 10:51:46 | B4gder | quite a lot of embedded linux these days |
| 10:52:05 | earHertz | I only get hired to do databses and java front-ends |
| 10:52:07 | linuxstb | earHertz: It's a 800x480 16-bit colour touchscreen. |
| 10:52:38 | earHertz | I was looking at a C++ job lately −− I'm actually pretty good at C__. It paid about half what java does. despite C++ being much more difficult |
| 10:52:56 | earHertz | linuxstb: the nokia's atouchscreen? |
| 10:53:06 | linuxstb | Yep |
| 10:53:30 | linuxstb | In landscape mode - http://europe.nokia.com/770 |
| 10:53:36 | earHertz | that's twice (ok, four tinmes) the dimensions of my zauruas |
| 10:53:39 | B4gder | I can't stand java, no matter what the pay would be ;-) |
| 10:53:57 | earHertz | B4gder: well, me too.Java is really more based on C than C++ |
| 10:54:04 | earHertz | But, it pays. |
| 10:54:41 | B4gder | linuxstb: does the 770 have any plug for ethernet or is it wlan only? |
| 10:54:51 | scorche | wireless |
| 10:54:54 | scorche | only |
| 10:54:56 | linuxstb | Yes, just wlan. |
| 10:55:05 | earHertz | built in wifi? |
| 10:55:09 | scorche | yup |
| 10:55:13 | linuxstb | I think you can set up networking via usb if you really want to. |
| 10:55:39 | earHertz | do they have keyboards? |
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| 10:55:44 | B4gder | I find the nokia pages on the 770 very uninformative |
| 10:55:47 | linuxstb | Not a real one. |
| 10:55:52 | earHertz | thumb? |
| 10:56:01 | linuxstb | B4gder: Yes, Nokia have (in the last 24 hours) completely broken their website... |
| 10:56:08 | B4gder | oh |
| 10:56:21 | linuxstb | If you had checked a couple of days ago, you would have found lots of info. |
| 10:56:33 | earHertz | I actually prefer thumb keyboard. I have little tiny hands |
| 10:57:33 | B4gder | nokia770.com seems better |
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| 10:57:50 | linuxstb | The open source effort surrounding it is at http://www.maemo.org - I think most of the "userland" stuff is open sourced, but I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of binary kernel modules... |
| 10:58:44 | B4gder | I bet, with a TI chip inside... |
| 10:59:15 | earHertz | is there a linux you can put on a nokia? If it''s 800x480 with a keyboard, I could program on it |
| 10:59:50 | B4gder | earHertz: it runs linux already |
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| 11:00:10 | earHertz | a linux I could run scite or kate on? |
| 11:00:16 | B4gder | I guess |
| 11:00:25 | earHertz | and gcc? |
| 11:00:29 | B4gder | sure |
| 11:00:41 | B4gder | is a plain arm linux |
| 11:00:59 | earHertz | cpul;d I do that and still use it as a phone? |
| 11:01:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: Although it's one of the more open TI chips - the OMAP 1710, which I believe is compatible with another OMAP chip (15xx, I forget), for which TI actually make a datasheet available... |
| 11:01:18 | B4gder | earHertz: the 770 is not really a phone |
| 11:01:25 | B4gder | aha |
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| 11:01:28 | earHertz | what is it? |
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| 11:01:32 | linuxstb | It's not a phone at all - there's no GSM module. |
| 11:01:57 | linuxstb | Although VOIP is about to be supported in the next OS upgrade. |
| 11:04:05 | earHertz | oh, it's a zaurus without a keyboard |
| 11:04:28 | earHertz | sweet, but I want a keyboard |
| 11:05:46 | earHertz | ah, time for bed. |
| 11:05:48 | earHertz | night |
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| 11:07:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: What exactly is the problem with the 770's performance? |
| 11:08:02 | * | amiconn cannot imagine why a 220MHz arm would be too slow for web if a 50MHz 68060 can do it, with a larger screen |
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| 11:11:05 | linuxstb | No, the web browser is fine. But it's just generally sluggish - e.g. when switching between applications or opening new windows. It also has a video player as one of the core features, but isn't powerful enough to decode video at anywhere near the full resolution the hi-res screen can display. |
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| 11:13:43 | amiconn | Missing optimisation... |
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| 11:14:55 | linuxstb | Good luck getting 25fps 800x480 video working... :) |
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| 11:18:54 | linuxstb | I would be quite tempted to try to get Rockbox running, but it only has 64MB of internal flash disk, and only accepts RS-MMC cards (maximum 1GB at the moment). But when the sim's audio playback works flawlessly, I might be tempted to try to get that working, so I can access my music wirelessly via an NFS share. |
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| 11:31:35 | EdwardBaynes | hi there |
| 11:32:36 | EdwardBaynes | i've got a question about rockbox on iriver h120, specifically about the remote |
| 11:33:01 | markun | just ask |
| 11:33:38 | EdwardBaynes | when i'm in the filetree view, pushing the remote's volume control will scroll all shown filenames to the right or left, resp. |
| 11:33:48 | EdwardBaynes | which ich find _very_ useful |
| 11:34:00 | EdwardBaynes | but how can this be done without the remote? |
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| 11:34:27 | markun | no idea. Didn't even know it was possible with the remote |
| 11:34:59 | EdwardBaynes | it isn't mentioned in the manual, either |
| 11:35:05 | EdwardBaynes | a "hidden feature" :) |
| 11:35:22 | petur | hold play + joystick I think it is |
| 11:35:35 | EdwardBaynes | hmm, i'll try this |
| 11:36:04 | bam_ | what feature? |
| 11:36:28 | petur | scroll file list left/right |
| 11:36:50 | EdwardBaynes | cool, play+joystick does the trick :) |
| 11:37:04 | EdwardBaynes | thanks a lot |
| 11:37:34 | EdwardBaynes | cu |
| 11:37:46 | * | petur waves |
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| 11:42:58 | spiorf | there is a way to kill a hung plugin? |
| 11:43:24 | theli_ua | i think reboot only |
| 11:43:32 | lou | ya |
| 11:43:36 | lou | reboot |
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| 11:46:55 | spiorf | and to exit from plugins, there is a default key combo? |
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| 11:48:00 | JdGordon | no |
| 11:48:16 | JdGordon | most use the same, but no default |
| 11:48:27 | JdGordon | stop/off usually is quit |
| 11:48:47 | JdGordon | or select and menu for ipoo |
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| 11:50:34 | spiorf | ok thanks |
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| 12:37:05 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/sandisk/ |
| 12:37:19 | Genre9mp3 | 8GB Sansa is on the way.... |
| 12:37:22 | B4gder | kind of expected |
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| 12:37:30 | B4gder | since the 6GB has a 4+2 setup |
| 12:38:36 | B4gder | still neat though |
| 12:38:51 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders when are we going to see 8+GB NAND flash chips |
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| 12:40:51 | Genre9mp3 | They seem that they really want to support their product... that's good |
| 12:41:48 | tucoz | Let's hope they will do what they can to help a possible rockbox port |
| 12:41:56 | amiconn | B4gder: Any news regarding hw docs / sdk? |
| 12:46:54 | B4gder | no news at all on that front |
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| 13:07:29 | flux__ | say, anyone ever thought that having usb sound device support would be nice?-) apparently the wishlist tracker doesn't have that.. |
| 13:08:03 | flux__ | (I just installed rockbox today on my iRiver iHP-120, and it's great!) |
| 13:08:24 | B4gder | that can't be done on the h120 |
| 13:08:35 | flux__ | hmm, how is that? |
| 13:08:41 | markun | flux__: no usb host |
| 13:08:42 | B4gder | because of how the usb hw works on it |
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| 13:08:47 | B4gder | it is a pure usb-storage device |
| 13:09:07 | flux__ | so it has some separate usb-storage hardware, the os doesn't implement it? |
| 13:09:12 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:09:22 | flux__ | funny decision |
| 13:09:25 | B4gder | not really |
| 13:09:29 | flux__ | cheaper?-) |
| 13:09:30 | B4gder | very common |
| 13:09:44 | B4gder | a lot easier => cheaper |
| 13:09:56 | flux__ | I would've imagine integration would be the key. but I suppose this way the cpu doesn't need to be connected to usb.. |
| 13:10:35 | B4gder | right, the usb bridge chip takes over instead of the cpu |
| 13:12:12 | flux__ | well, too bad, but thanks for input |
| 13:12:34 | B4gder | on the h3x0 it should be possible |
| 13:13:24 | flux__ | I can see that being useful to some people, though |
| 13:13:46 | flux__ | a second audio output to the workstation/laptop, with optic out |
| 13:13:52 | flux__ | and likely of better sound quality |
| 13:14:18 | flux__ | (less interference from the machine components, which are quite audible on my workstation at low volumes) |
| 13:14:46 | B4gder | well, the h1x0 has digital out already |
| 13:15:09 | flux__ | yes, but cannot be used for that task (for example streaming music from the net) |
| 13:15:47 | B4gder | I'm only saying that you won't get better output than so, even if you'd pass it over usb to your pc |
| 13:16:06 | flux__ | uh, I meant the other way |
| 13:16:14 | B4gder | ah |
| 13:16:15 | flux__ | the device would appear as a usb sound card to the pc |
| 13:16:26 | B4gder | well, the h1x0 has digital in as well |
| 13:16:35 | flux__ | can it work as pass-through? |
| 13:16:48 | B4gder | it can |
| 13:16:51 | flux__ | hm, I guess it does that in the recording even with the standard firmware |
| 13:17:11 | flux__ | this workstation doesn't have digital output, though ;) |
| 13:17:27 | flux__ | hm, maybe doesn't have |
| 13:18:55 | flux__ | this is some ibm pc with integrated sound (Intel 82801DB-ICH4/Analog Devices AD1981B), the mixer doesn't suggest that |
| 13:19:22 | flux__ | anyway, the usb sound card would be more universally useful, even if it wouldn't be of use to me ;) |
| 13:19:44 | markun | flux__: you can build a USB sound card with optical out.. |
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| 13:21:39 | flux__ | that's a worthwhile option |
| 13:22:36 | flux__ | I've considered another alternative though, a signal diminisher (word?) to my head phone connection would allow me to use higher columes, with less interference |
| 13:22:51 | * | petur wonders if the reports about h300 retail os boot failures ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0 ) are related to the eeprom corruption |
| 13:23:00 | flux__ | (-50dB on iRiver is a nice volume for me) |
| 13:23:03 | * | petur encounters work :( |
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| 13:23:19 | flux__ | work caught the poor fellow ;( |
| 13:23:51 | B4gder | another innocent work victim |
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| 13:28:02 | apo | Blar |
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| 13:40:04 | SanForVendetta | hey |
| 13:40:08 | Mmmm | Right...I've decided to do a bit of work on the 3.0 release |
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| 13:40:20 | Mmmm | remote support needs sorting right? |
| 13:40:23 | Sanitr | anyone know the exact measurements for the H300 stock battery? |
| 13:40:37 | Sanitr | or link? |
| 13:40:51 | Sanitr | i wasn't sure if the wiki would have it, so I tought i'd ask first |
| 13:40:56 | scorche | as in size?...or specs? |
| 13:41:02 | Bg3r | Sanitr ~20h 128kbps mp3 |
| 13:41:09 | Bg3r | and disk power off enabled |
| 13:41:19 | Sanitr | no, size, as in cm or inches |
| 13:41:21 | scorche | or that >_> |
| 13:41:25 | scorche | a-ha! |
| 13:41:28 | Mmmm | I've made a couple of patches already, one to finish the display code in the recording screen and one to enable the remote for the 'enable bookmarks' screen |
| 13:41:39 | Sanitr | like, lenght X width X depth |
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| 13:41:59 | Bg3r | Mmmm where are these patches ? |
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| 13:42:04 | Lynx_ | what do i have to press to boot into the original iriver firmware again? |
| 13:42:06 | B4gder | Mmmm: ah, didn't see you. I made you a "developer" in flyspray now |
| 13:42:20 | Mmmm | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5614 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5613 |
| 13:42:20 | Mmmm | |
| 13:42:30 | Mmmm | ooh ta b4gder |
| 13:42:47 | Bg3r | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iriver_H300_series wow |
| 13:43:01 | Mmmm | what else needs doing on the remote? does anyone know what's not working yet? |
| 13:46:02 | Bg3r | Mmmm the virtual keyboard |
| 13:46:27 | Mmmm | that sounds like fun..:D |
| 13:46:38 | Bg3r | yeah |
| 13:46:56 | Bg3r | a pervert kind of fun |
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| 13:48:17 | Mmmm | heh heh... |
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| 13:51:44 | flux__ | speech recognition could be a nice alternative ;) |
| 13:52:01 | Mmmm | B4gder: how do I edit the attachment in the original task post? |
| 13:52:51 | B4gder | I don't know |
| 13:53:01 | Mmmm | ah! |
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| 13:53:03 | markun | Mmmm: a complete list of things that don't work with the remote: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 |
| 13:53:23 | Mmmm | ooh thanks markun...that's what i was after ;) |
| 13:53:39 | markun | I just unassigned myself because I don't have time for it |
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| 13:56:59 | Lynx_ | i have a little problem with my h300: the battery is empty, and as i forgot the charger again i would like to charge via usb. when i start the box by pluggin in usb, the rb bootloader comes, shows a battery warning, and then the iriver firmware starts, but reboots before the menu comes. |
| 13:58:10 | Mmmm | markun: do you think the entries in the debug menu really need fixing as it's not really part of the final release? |
| 13:58:20 | Lynx_ | rockbox does not charge via usb (yet), does it? |
| 13:58:59 | Mmmm | markun: for 3.0 release that is! |
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| 14:01:23 | Mmmm | B4gder: does developer status in flyspray mean I have CVS access? |
| 14:01:35 | B4gder | nope |
| 14:01:36 | XavierGr | no AFAIK |
| 14:01:37 | linuxstb_ | Mmmm: My vote would be to ignore the debug screens - they're clearly marked "keep out" :) |
| 14:01:52 | B4gder | I agree |
| 14:02:09 | Mmmm | ok..that'll make things a lot easier! :) |
| 14:02:19 | flux__ | "KEEP OUT!" "mmmm... must.. resist.. clicking.." |
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| 14:08:30 | flux__ | is there an mp3-player with wireless connectivity yet out there? |
| 14:08:39 | flux__ | excluding cell phones |
| 14:13:17 | markun | Mmmm: no, I don't think so |
| 14:13:48 | Mmmm | ok.. just wondering! :) |
| 14:14:00 | markun | But it would be nice if you could at least get out of it with the remote control |
| 14:14:25 | markun | Even if you don't show anything on the remote screen (like 'no remote support' or something) |
| 14:15:22 | Mmmm | don't a worry... it's all in hand :) although typing FOR_NB_SCREENS and screens[i]. over and over again is getting a bit waring! |
| 14:17:22 | Mmmm | I'll look at them maybe after ive finished the others... |
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| 14:20:07 | ryran | woo woo |
| 14:20:52 | markun | Mmmm: thanks |
| 14:21:29 | XavierGr | if the remote is done, then we need proper voice playback and langv2 fixes |
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| 14:35:03 | Mmmm | I know its cheeky but could someone commit this small change..It'll make my life a bit easier! :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5615 |
| 14:38:04 | Mmmm | or ill have to add a comment in each patch that says this must be applied first - very messy and a pain for me adding and subtracting this each time it's needed |
| 14:40:48 | Mmmm | B4gder: what do you think? |
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| 14:42:15 | Mmmm | Petur! |
| 14:42:35 | Mmmm | I don't suppose you fancy doing a tiny commit for me? |
| 14:43:03 | petur | sure, in a few hours.... *maybe* tonight I have time :\ |
| 14:43:18 | Mmmm | ok.. did you look at it? |
| 14:43:24 | Mmmm | its very small! |
| 14:44:22 | petur | it is |
| 14:44:27 | Mmmm | :) |
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| 14:45:21 | petur | does that mean that settings are not accessible by remote at the moment? |
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| 14:46:57 | petur | and why (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD) around remote key defs? |
| 14:47:00 | Mmmm | Yes, some types anyway...The ones that aren't supported yet! :P |
| 14:47:54 | Mmmm | I've just copied that from other places could I put H300_REMOTE ? |
| 14:48:11 | petur | don't know that part of the code |
| 14:48:36 | Mmmm | it comes up all over the place when the remote keys are defined! |
| 14:49:12 | Mmmm | (so you can use the remote with h300s) |
| 14:49:13 | petur | oh, is that to define those keys for a h100 remote on an h300? |
| 14:49:19 | Mmmm | yes! |
| 14:49:22 | petur | ah |
| 14:49:35 | * | petur hears some coins drop on the floor |
| 14:49:39 | Mmmm | :D |
| 14:50:18 | petur | Well I'll look at it tonight if nobody did before me |
| 14:50:29 | Mmmm | ok...cheers! :) |
| 14:50:44 | linuxstb_ | So what definitions are used for a H300 remote? |
| 14:51:03 | Mmmm | there are none that ive come across! |
| 14:51:16 | Mmmm | I assume they just use the H100 defs |
| 14:51:36 | petur | we need a dev that has all three remotes and two players ;) |
| 14:51:52 | Mmmm | 3 remotes? |
| 14:51:58 | linuxstb_ | I have one remote and one player (both h100)... |
| 14:52:20 | linuxstb_ | h300 remote with or without an lcd. |
| 14:52:21 | Mmmm | good start linuxstb! :D |
| 14:52:29 | Mmmm | ahh! |
| 14:52:49 | petur | I have h100 lcd remote and h340 |
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| 14:53:50 | Mmmm | Ihave 2 h100 remotes and an H140...doesnt help though....what is an H300 remote like? does it have the same buttons? |
| 14:54:18 | flux__ | my h120 remote is slightly broken ;(, I guess they don't sell those anymore? |
| 14:54:25 | flux__ | (are more recent ones compatible?) |
| 14:55:35 | petur | they should all be compatible afaik |
| 14:56:00 | Mmmm | Quote from the forum "the iRiver H300 LCD Remote buttons are bugged in the CVS, but are fixed with a patch already in Flyspray." |
| 14:57:05 | petur | The problem is testing if you don't have such a remote, and I hate 'blind commit' (ie without testing) |
| 14:58:28 | Mmmm | Good point...I'll ignore all that then...we should leave it as just (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD) till we know better eh? |
| 14:59:18 | wehn | Flux: in australia JB HiFi was selling surplus remotes (actually from iMP550 but compatible) for $50 each. |
| 14:59:41 | wehn | flux: also available on ebay.. |
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| 15:01:57 | flux__ | well.. the iriver ones cost 29EUR + shipping. |
| 15:04:53 | flux__ | shipping 23 EUR :) |
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| 15:09:33 | wehn | iMP550 is another iriver player (CD based) with essentially identical remote as H100. |
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| 15:10:29 | x1jmp | how can I use the led() function inside of a plugin? |
| 15:12:01 | linuxstb_ | You'll need to add it to the plugin API - see apps/plugin.[ch] |
| 15:15:04 | petur | a swiss API :p |
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| 15:27:35 | ryran | hey guys.. are there any known issues with people being unable to get dircache to initialize? |
| 15:28:05 | linuxstb_ | I know tagcache can be troublesome, but I've never heard about issues with dircache. |
| 15:28:45 | ryran | when I first installed rockbox on my ipod I enabled it, but given that it was my first time using that feature I had no idea what to expect |
| 15:28:50 | ryran | I forgot about it. |
| 15:29:11 | ryran | then I read some stuff about it the other day and realized that MY rockbox was not performing as if it had dircache enabled |
| 15:29:25 | ryran | somehow, I got it to start.. and it was working for a couple days |
| 15:29:39 | ryran | but after getting a new build ... now it's not |
| 15:30:03 | ryran | and of course I re-enabled it and have tried rebooting multiple times |
| 15:30:08 | ryran | it never scans when I boot up though |
| 15:31:23 | ryran | ugh. I just did it the third time and it scanned the disk |
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| 15:31:47 | ryran | don't know what to make of that... |
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| 15:42:40 | Mmmm | Ihave completed remote support for rockbox info page http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5616 ... just need that tiny patch committed..(pleeeease anybody?) |
| 15:43:14 | Mmmm | (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5615) |
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| 16:49:04 | lowlight | Any viewer.c experts here? I found a bug. |
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| 17:27:56 | Lynx_ | can i charge my h300 somehow when it's almost completly empty and i have only a usb connection to charge it? |
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| 17:30:14 | petur | Lynx_: I think it's best to use iriver firmware and configure it to be connected to a powered hub |
| 17:30:40 | Lynx_ | petur: yes, but when i start it, it starts loading the iriver firmware and then reboots to the rockbox bootloader again |
| 17:31:09 | Lynx_ | does the iriver firmware not start when battery is too low and the charger is not connected, only usb? |
| 17:31:10 | petur | oh, battery is _that_ low.... |
| 17:31:38 | Lynx_ | well, it just ran out of battery when i was listening to music normally. mabye rockbox allows it to go down a little too far |
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| 17:33:09 | petur | if it was configured correctly in retailos it can draw power from usb I think |
| 17:33:28 | Lynx_ | ah, i did not know it could |
| 17:33:35 | petur | I'm not that up-to-date on the rb powerhandling however |
| 17:33:36 | Lynx_ | hmm, now it does not start anymore at all |
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| 19:22:38 | webguest53 | hi |
| 19:22:51 | Paul_The_Ner2 | Hello |
| 19:22:52 | webguest53 | how must i instal new firmware |
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| 19:23:02 | webguest53 | fo a iaudio x5 |
| 19:23:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you read the installation instructions at Rockbox.org? |
| 19:23:24 | webguest53 | no |
| 19:24:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot <−− Follow the steps here. Then extract (unzip) a daily build onto the root of your player. |
| 19:25:01 | webguest53 | thanks |
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| 19:32:31 | egotrippen | i need some patching help |
| 19:32:56 | egotrippen | i've got two patches that modify english.lang, and i can't get them both to apply |
| 19:33:40 | egotrippen | what do i look for to fix one of the patches so it'll apply after the other one? |
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| 19:36:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can just take the rejects from the second one and manually insert them... |
| 19:39:02 | egotrippen | ok |
| 19:39:21 | egotrippen | i think i got that going, testing it now |
| 19:40:03 | egotrippen | it seems like it would be something easy, like just tell it another few lines down |
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| 19:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 19:40:23 | egotrippen | but yeah, i'm pretty sure i got it going manually |
| 19:40:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the case of the lang files, at least, you should be able to just insert new strings. |
| 19:41:32 | egotrippen | i changed the code of the second .patch file so it looked right, but i didn't mess with the line numbers |
| 19:41:39 | egotrippen | and it told me 'malformed patch' |
| 19:42:20 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 19:42:21 | egotrippen | but yeah, this definately worked. it's past the part where it failed before |
| 19:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 19:42:54 | egotrippen | *sigh |
| 19:43:04 | egotrippen | computers... there's always a simple solution |
| 19:43:08 | egotrippen | but it's never the simplest one |
| 19:44:06 | egotrippen | thanks. i'm pretty sure i'm at the point where i can't imagine more functionality i would need |
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| 19:44:20 | egotrippen | H300 battery issue fixed, audioscrobbler support, and random album play |
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| 19:44:47 | egotrippen | my dap life is complete lol |
| 19:45:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 19:46:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just wait, someone will have an idea, and you'll go "ooooooooh" |
| 19:46:27 | egotrippen | haha |
| 19:46:49 | egotrippen | well, within hardware limits... DivX video out would be nice |
| 19:47:00 | egotrippen | hm.... |
| 19:47:36 | egotrippen | i dunno. can't realy think of anything |
| 19:47:44 | egotrippen | video on the little screen doesn't interest me |
| 19:47:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 19:48:08 | egotrippen | even the games, like i used gameboy for about a month |
| 19:48:10 | egotrippen | rockboy |
| 19:48:37 | egotrippen | i dig FLAC support, and i don't think i could ever use another player without RB's playlisting |
| 19:49:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 19:49:34 | egotrippen | i was reading about... the Zen Vision M, or some other player like it |
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| 19:49:44 | egotrippen | reading about the playlisting support |
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| 19:50:02 | egotrippen | it just..... ugh. it's useless |
| 19:50:05 | egotrippen | haha |
| 19:50:25 | egotrippen | 've been spoiled |
| 19:51:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, Rockbox has that effect |
| 19:52:09 | egotrippen | mm |
| 19:52:33 | egotrippen | i have the H100 LCD remote |
| 19:52:38 | egotrippen | i never even use it anymore |
| 19:52:55 | egotrippen | like its main function was to make up for the lack of playlisting |
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| 19:55:29 | egotrippen | ah, one thing |
| 19:55:40 | egotrippen | a bootloader that doesn't turn on iriver fw when plugged into AC |
| 19:56:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's planned for the next version of the bootloader I believe |
| 19:56:21 | egotrippen | yeah, i think so |
| 19:56:42 | egotrippen | the release todo says 'bootloader relase,' and that seems like the last loose end |
| 19:57:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I think there's a few other tweaks relating to the USB code in the bootloader as well |
| 19:57:44 | egotrippen | ah |
| 19:57:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd isn't really sure |
| 19:58:11 | egotrippen | i forgot, there have been a bunch of reports of bootloader USB not working |
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| 20:00:17 | egotrippen | i'm glad there are people wlling to figure these things out |
| 20:00:45 | egotrippen | i'd just get kind of annoyed if code worked one some players of a model, but not others |
| 20:02:03 | midkay | you could always code it for your own model.. :) |
| 20:02:13 | egotrippen | haha |
| 20:02:19 | egotrippen | i'm surprised people don't, kind of |
| 20:02:27 | egotrippen | "well, it works for me, buddy" |
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| 20:02:33 | midkay | haha. |
| 20:02:40 | mattl | hey.. |
| 20:02:53 | egotrippen | they've got more patience than i |
| 20:02:55 | egotrippen | hey |
| 20:02:56 | * | midkay waves |
| 20:03:24 | mattl | my iPod is dead.. if I'm going to buy a new player, what's the best one to buy to run Rockbox? |
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| 20:03:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on what features you decree are "necessary" |
| 20:03:55 | midkay | how much storage do you need? color LCD? player size? price? |
| 20:04:17 | egotrippen | i think the word is video ipod, H300, or H100 |
| 20:04:49 | egotrippen | H100 for recording and sound quality, 5g ipod for video and tv-out under apple firmware |
| 20:04:55 | mattl | well, my iPod was a 60gb Photo. I'd like something similar. |
| 20:05:16 | mattl | egotrippen: would that require me to use the proprietary apple firmware though? |
| 20:05:17 | midkay | you might like the 5G ipod.. you'd be familiar with the controls, it's physically smaller and has a larger LCD, though. |
| 20:05:35 | egotrippen | rockbox is out for the 5g |
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| 20:05:51 | egotrippen | for video functions you'd have to boot the apple fw, but that's relatively quick |
| 20:05:57 | midkay | yes, the apple firmware is the only thing that really lets you play videos on it at the moment.. but it's very nice for what it does.. H.264 and mpeg-4 video. |
| 20:06:05 | egotrippen | on my H300, iriver firmware booting takes a good 25 seconds |
| 20:06:09 | mattl | not really that interested in video, tbh. |
| 20:06:17 | mattl | what license is Rockbox under? |
| 20:06:30 | * | mattl can't find it on the website |
| 20:06:34 | midkay | gpl. |
| 20:06:42 | mattl | midkay: w00t. |
| 20:06:58 | midkay | indeed! |
| 20:07:13 | egotrippen | besides the video, the apple 5g has good HD space for the price |
| 20:07:20 | midkay | so it really depends on what's necessary and what you'd like to have. |
| 20:07:29 | egotrippen | feature wise, the H300 is a little batter and the H100 is a lot better |
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| 20:07:52 | mattl | would i run an Apple 5g without running the apple firmware? i think i'll be able to get that on my insurance from the iPod Photo. |
| 20:07:54 | midkay | irivers can record, i also think they both have FM radio.. |
| 20:08:12 | egotrippen | right, FM radio |
| 20:08:13 | mattl | i don't want to run any proprietary firmware, if i can avoid it. |
| 20:08:28 | egotrippen | under rockbox they can record from FM, and they have built in microphones |
| 20:08:37 | midkay | mattl, if you don't need video, sure.. audio playback's pretty stable by now, everything's working rather well.. except voice, but that's probably not necessary for you.. |
| 20:09:13 | egotrippen | for iriver H300, you'd only need stock firmware to watch video or record to MP3 |
| 20:09:18 | midkay | mattl, beware battery life - maybe only around 8 hours with rockbox. some optimization needs to be done.. that's plenty for many people, don't know if it is for you. |
| 20:09:29 | egotrippen | for apple 5g, you'd only need stock firmware to watch video or use TV out |
| 20:09:48 | mattl | midkay: 8 hours will be plenty. i guess Ogg Vorbis would lower that a little further. |
| 20:10:00 | midkay | mattl, not that much, actually. :) |
| 20:10:03 | midkay | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 20:10:06 | mattl | ooh. |
| 20:10:16 | midkay | ah, one test says 10h ogg.. |
| 20:10:29 | midkay | oh. it uses the 64mb buffer mod. yeah. |
| 20:10:38 | midkay | that's if you get the 60GB version. |
| 20:11:08 | midkay | 30GB versions only have 32MB RAM, and rockbox will take advantage of that out-of-the, er.. zip. :) |
| 20:11:41 | egotrippen | if you're not interested in video, recording, or FM radio, the H300 and the 5g ipod are very very similar |
| 20:12:20 | midkay | he said he can probably get a 5G for an exchange, so.. |
| 20:12:21 | egotrippen | the 5g ipod has an edge in HD size, form factor, and screen size |
| 20:12:45 | egotrippen | yeah |
| 20:12:53 | egotrippen | i'd definately go for that, then |
| 20:13:20 | midkay | mattl, well, i've got a 5G myself, by the way, if you had any specific questions. |
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| 20:17:03 | mattl | midkay: thanks |
| 20:18:12 | midkay | np. |
| 20:18:54 | mattl | i'm really glad Rockbox is out... i need a GPL licensed player. |
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| 20:19:16 | midkay | yep.. we're [nearly] one-of-a-kind :) |
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| 20:42:37 | mattl | midkay: only nearly? heh. |
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| 20:42:58 | midkay | mattl, haha. |
| 20:44:36 | mattl | midkay: whois me. you'll see why. |
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| 20:45:02 | midkay | i noticed when you joined. :) |
| 20:47:16 | mattl | aha. off to the pub now. |
| 20:47:24 | midkay | laters. :) |
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| 21:04:00 | Moos | Helo here ! |
| 21:05:17 | Moos | long time that I didn't check how Rockbox goes, nothing new in regard to the release? |
| 21:07:00 | midkay | moos! :) |
| 21:07:28 | midkay | battery life issue has been solved, now we're just waiting on voice i think. |
| 21:07:35 | midkay | maybe a couple playback things too. |
| 21:09:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 21:09:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Playback freezes |
| 21:09:48 | midkay | .. rarely, i hope.. :) |
| 21:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not during normal use, but most of the freezes seem to be reproduceable. |
| 21:10:33 | midkay | that's good. |
| 21:10:52 | Moos | oh ok :( |
| 21:11:06 | Moos | hi midkay and Paul btw |
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| 21:11:17 | chendo | i guess rockbox can't do bin+cue? |
| 21:11:20 | chendo | ... or can it? |
| 21:11:25 | midkay | no, chendo. |
| 21:12:40 | midkay | bbi15 or 20mins |
| 21:13:08 | chendo | kk |
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| 21:15:30 | Moos | bye all |
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| 21:35:55 | sharpe | good-day everyone. |
| 21:36:59 | preglow | which ipods can be used as usb masters? |
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| 21:39:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: At least the iPod Photo and iPod Video can, I believe, be hooked up to cameras. |
| 21:40:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | The PortalPlayer chip has the integrated USB controller right? Which would mean any that use the same as either of those? |
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| 21:44:36 | preglow | god, i hate RETARD camera companies that can't just support standards |
| 21:44:52 | preglow | like canon |
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| 21:52:09 | dionoea | howdy |
| 21:53:12 | sharpe | hi... |
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| 22:02:27 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: did portalplayer ever answer, btw? |
| 22:05:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: No such luck. Nothing at all, not even a "Sorry, but no." |
| 22:06:36 | preglow | they're probably too busy sacking staff to answer |
| 22:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I probably emailed someone who doesn't exist any more. ;) |
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| 22:16:36 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: up for a wager on which one of us correctly diagnosed mitchellknell's problem with 10,000 songs in a playlist? |
| 22:16:46 | Febs | (just trying to keep things interesting) |
| 22:16:49 | Febs | :) |
| 22:17:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: It's too late. You did it |
| 22:17:29 | Febs | Yeah, I just saw that. |
| 22:17:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yours was the most likely but I'm always surprised how many people dump all their songs in one folder. |
| 22:18:04 | Febs | That's OK, I cheated anyway by testing to see if a restart is needed after changing max playlist size. (it is). |
| 22:18:57 | Febs | It would not have surprised me one bit if he did have 13,000 songs in a single folder. |
| 22:19:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I knew the restarts were necessary, but I figured since you'd covered that angle, I'd throw in some alternatives if yours didn't work. |
| 22:19:56 | * | petur spots Linus in the forums |
| 22:21:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I can't imagine even having 13,000 songs, let alone all in one folder. |
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| 22:22:59 | preglow | 13k songs in one folder????+ |
| 22:23:13 | preglow | that's insane |
| 22:23:37 | Febs | preglow: it turned out that they weren't all in one folder. |
| 22:23:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: It wasn't the case with this person. But I've seen people report having all their songs in one folder before, and complain about the 10,000 limit. |
| 22:23:47 | * | preglow vomits |
| 22:25:39 | Febs | Those are usually the people that can't find the folder on their player named "Root." |
| 22:26:11 | petur | you mean 'route' |
| 22:26:59 | Febs | Ha ha! |
| 22:27:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs at the use of "Rockbocks" "Rocksbocks" in a forum with the "Rockbox" logo all over it. |
| 22:27:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sorry but it's a little crazy to see something not only spell a word wrong, but a different way each time in his posts. (This applies to other more common words as well.) |
| 22:27:35 | Febs | That sad part about that thread, petur, was that you bolded the word "root" and he still didn't get it. |
| 22:27:48 | petur | ;) |
| 22:28:06 | chendo | rockbox do EAC? |
| 22:28:15 | petur | eh? |
| 22:28:29 | petur | EAC = pc app |
| 22:28:50 | chendo | well can rockbox read the files output by that? ;x |
| 22:29:04 | Febs | The files output by EAC are .wav files, so yes. |
| 22:29:19 | petur | EAC can output WAV or whatever compressor you attach to it |
| 22:29:31 | chendo | mmk |
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| 22:30:00 | * | petur recommends EAC for CD ripping (but *not* in burst mode) |
| 22:30:01 | Febs | mmk? |
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| 22:30:56 | chendo | mmk = mm, okay |
| 22:31:31 | Febs | Ahh, I see. |
| 22:31:44 | * | Febs doesn't speak "l337." |
| 22:32:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 22:32:25 | * | linuxstb grumbles about kids today... |
| 22:32:32 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shakes his cane at them. |
| 22:32:34 | [San] | anyone hear about the europe code jam by google? |
| 22:32:42 | chendo | as if 'mmk' is anywhere close to leet |
| 22:32:53 | petur | code jam? |
| 22:33:01 | [San] | http://www.topcoder.com/pl/?module=Static&d1=gecj06&d2=overview |
| 22:33:06 | dionoea | summer of code ? |
| 22:33:08 | chendo | i mean, it could be /\/\/\/\|<, but no ;p |
| 22:33:12 | [San] | twas held in dublni |
| 22:33:15 | [San] | *dublin |
| 22:33:20 | [San] | 30000 prize |
| 22:33:31 | [San] | tought some of you guys might have enterd |
| 22:33:32 | [San] | ;-) |
| 22:34:05 | * | petur sees 'java' and runs fast *very fast* |
| 22:34:27 | linuxstb | Coffee... |
| 22:34:39 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has been to Java a few times. |
| 22:34:45 | Febs | Mmmmmmm. Coffee. |
| 22:34:47 | * | petur drinks tea |
| 22:34:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what Sun's obsession with Indonesia is with their "Java" and their "Jakarta" and all that jazz. |
| 22:35:03 | * | Febs heads down to the coffee shop in the lobby. |
| 22:35:10 | * | linuxstb has written zero lines of Java in his life. |
| 22:35:40 | * | petur notes what 'Coffee shop' means in The Netherlands ;) |
| 22:35:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've converted Java to PHP, but that's about it. |
| 22:36:04 | * | linuxstb will be in Amsterdam next weekend... |
| 22:38:05 | * | Febs just Googled "coffee shop Netherlands." |
| 22:38:40 | [San] | hehe |
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| 22:48:45 | Bagder | merbanan: very interesting mi4 development here |
| 22:49:15 | Bagder | I got a mail from a guy claiming to have it figured out for the h10 case |
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| 22:55:12 | merbanan | Bagder: any details ? |
| 22:55:45 | idnar | Paul_The_Nerd: Jakarta is Apache not Sun |
| 22:55:53 | Bagder | not yet, I'm busy doing work for a while more but the guy mostly told me this and include a few details but not the actual code yet |
| 22:56:16 | Bagder | he says he can decrypt/encrypt the mi4 for h10 |
| 22:56:24 | * | preglow will be in england next weekend |
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| 22:58:49 | * | petur suspects preglow will be in pubs most of the time :p |
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| 22:59:56 | preglow | word |
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| 23:00:05 | preglow | inside them, and walking around to find new ones |
| 23:00:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | idnar: Fair enough |
| 23:02:41 | lowlight | Can someone test this to see if rockbox locks up...view a text file where the first line is empty (return). |
| 23:03:03 | lowlight | Locked my h140 up for an hour this morning with no paper clip in sight. |
| 23:03:32 | lowlight | I found it locks up the sim as well. |
| 23:06:47 | PaulJam | lowlight: the same happens it the first character is a space |
| 23:06:50 | * | preglow thinks he'll sum up his own experiences in a "five hundred ways to reset a h1x0" document |
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| 23:07:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 23:08:45 | * | linuxstb contributes the ear-ring method |
| 23:09:07 | preglow | to date, i've reset it with twigs, gravel, a chocolate wrapper, a cigarette filter and a candle |
| 23:09:10 | preglow | hahaha |
| 23:09:17 | preglow | the last two are not recommended |
| 23:09:20 | linuxstb | candle? |
| 23:09:26 | preglow | well, the wick of one at any rate :> |
| 23:09:41 | preglow | or however that's spelled |
| 23:09:56 | linuxstb | Like that. |
| 23:10:06 | preglow | then hooray, never written it before |
| 23:12:23 | preglow | for me, rockbox almost always locks when on my way to the train |
| 23:12:33 | preglow | and i'm too stupid to carry a pin around with me |
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| 23:13:06 | lowlight | haha, I guess I wasn't resourceful enough |
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| 23:17:00 | preglow | one time it locked up approximately ten seconds after going out the door on my way to an hour long train ride |
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| 23:18:21 | petur | I had it lock up leaving on my bike from work, went back inside for a paperclip and got laughed at by coworkers :/ |
| 23:18:47 | preglow | hahah |
| 23:19:14 | petur | ruined my chances of converting their ipods to rockbox |
| 23:19:31 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:19:53 | Bagder | *cough* I need it to keep my papers together! |
| 23:21:29 | * | linuxstb doesn't understand a word of viewer.c |
| 23:22:05 | lowlight | It appears that the viewer enters an endless loop in viewer.c line 696. |
| 23:22:14 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just found that as well. |
| 23:22:26 | preglow | anyone got any experiences with haskell? |
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| 23:34:55 | Bagder | preglow: you may take that as a 'no' ;-) |
| 23:35:28 | lowlight | linuxstb: I don't understand the logic in viewer.c, but it appears that in line 927 in init_need_scrollbar needs to be moved after the initialization of the draw_columns variable. |
| 23:35:37 | linuxstb | I did program in ML about 13 years ago, but have sadly forgotten everything. |
| 23:36:12 | lowlight | It seems to fix the problem. |
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| 23:39:02 | lowlight | later |
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| 23:39:30 | linuxstb | Oh, he's gone. I was about to say that his bugfix looks good to me. |
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| 23:42:43 | * | petur curses at some drunk students ringing his doorbell |
| 23:43:01 | preglow | petur: open a window and yell "KE KE KE KE KE KE KIEK" at them |
| 23:43:20 | petur | yell what? |
| 23:43:35 | preglow | that :> |
| 23:44:06 | preglow | korean laughing style |
| 23:44:25 | petur | they would probably kick in a window and run |
| 23:45:11 | petur | summer gives me a double feeling: I hate the heat but all the students go home so it's nice and quit |
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| 23:45:29 | * | petur lives 200m from a uni |
| 23:45:32 | preglow | hate the heat??? |
| 23:45:48 | petur | 30 deg celcius sunday :( |
| 23:46:01 | preglow | oh, there was a couple of days with that some weeks ago |
| 23:46:03 | preglow | it was heaven |
| 23:46:10 | petur | hell |
| 23:47:33 | preglow | i see we differ on some key points |
| 23:47:44 | petur | :D |
| 23:48:41 | * | petur was about to say 'we should swap country' but then started thinking about a nice beer :p |
| 23:49:05 | preglow | oh, i'm okay about that |
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