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#rockbox log for 2006-06-30

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00:25:27peturthis bug report is not really a bug - close it?
00:25:59sharpei vote close! :D
00:26:09linuxstbI haven't read it and I vote close.
00:26:41linuxstbThere are very few bug reports any more...
00:26:48sharpeit's a sign.
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00:27:07linuxstbI assume that's a feature on the H340? i.e. you can't power-off when charging?
00:27:36peturthe charging circuit needs supervision, right?
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00:28:14peturwon't it boot up immediately when you try to shut down?
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00:28:45linuxstbProbably - the ipod does the same thing, and it's got a similar power management chip to the pcf50606
00:29:53sharpeand i was told i was wrong in the forums.
00:29:57linuxstbThe HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING define isn't defined for the H300 (it is defined for the h1x0 and X5)
00:30:21sharpeer; accused would be more like it.
00:30:30peturshould we try it? ;)
00:30:44linuxstbI don't own a h3x0...
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00:31:02linuxstbYou could suggest it to the bug reporter.
00:31:03peturok... shall I try it ;)
00:31:18midkaysharpie!! linuxstb! petur!
00:31:36*scorche coughs
00:33:36midkayi've always wondered how that's pronounced.
00:33:39sharpetwo minutes
00:33:42midkayscorchie? score-hey?
00:33:57scorchemeh...i dont really care =)
00:34:01wehnOn the H300 stock fw, shutting down takes you to the full screen "Charging..." battery icon. It won't power off either.
00:34:02sharpei think scorch with a silent e.
00:34:16scorchepeople tend to go with either scorchie or scorch
00:34:30midkayscorchie. i like that.
00:34:48 Nick scorche is now known as midkee (
00:35:07wehn...But pulling the powercord under that situation shuts it down.
00:35:13sharpei sense trademark infringement...
00:35:24midkeei saw no notice
00:35:33sharpeit's an implied notice
00:36:30linuxstbwehn: That's pretty conclusive in favour of Rockbox doing the right thing by not powering down then...
00:36:40wehnI agree. :)
00:37:12sharpesee? he's obviously angry about it scorche.
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00:37:28midkayhey. hey. not cool.
00:37:50*midkee whistles
00:38:05midkayi'll have to cast some magic on you. when people have to reference you, they have to type 5 letters!
00:38:33midkaybippity boppity abra cadabra!!!
00:38:53midkaywell, that didn't even do anything.
00:39:00midkayso i'll just say, put the nick back pls. :(
00:39:21*midkee gives midkay a cupcake that he made last night
00:39:29 Nick midkee is now known as scorche (
00:39:30midkayhey. where's the cream filling.
00:39:34sharpejust made a single cupcake?
00:39:40sharpewho makes a single cupcake?!
00:39:50scorchei made like30...
00:39:58sharpeyou only mentioned one
00:40:08scorchei only gave him one
00:40:09*petur wonders what a cupcake is
00:40:24sharpea cake made in a cup!
00:40:35peturwhere are you from?
00:42:07 Quit ender` (" Japan actually has a fair amount of land, it's just that about 1/3 of the population seems to want to live in the same 13,00)
00:42:18scorchethese are goood
00:42:30peturhard to believe... I'd think americans would have bucketcakes not cupcakes, as they supersize everything
00:42:51sharpe<insert drum rimshot>
00:42:57scorchecupcakes are a classic...
00:43:29sharpeand that's stereotyping petur...
00:43:57tucozis cupcake and muffin the same thing?
00:44:12peturthe us is the only place I've ever seen butter sold in 12L buckets
00:44:23scorchein size maybe
00:44:41scorchecupcakes use cake batter\
00:44:51sharpe... way to go scorche...
00:45:08scorcheso more similar to miniature cakes baked in paper cups in special tins
00:45:31sharpepetur: they're trying to economize... heheh...
00:46:03sharpeer, the people buying the twelve liter buckets...
00:46:17sharpei've never seen one.
00:46:28scorchei have
00:46:39*scorche shops at costco
00:46:47sharpei have the urge to find a store that sells them, and build a castle.
00:47:00peturwell... just as I expected: powering down the h3x0 with AC power available just boots it back up (in retailos :( )
00:48:23sharpehmm... i was at costco once, but i do not recall 12L buckets of butter...
00:49:37scorchei need to get my local costco to start carrying bagel dogs
00:49:46sharpebagel dogs?
00:50:06scorchehot dogs in a bagel like bread
00:50:15tucozhow convenient
00:50:16*scorche slaps sharpe
00:50:23scorchethey are tasty
00:50:26scorcheand easy to make
00:50:32scorche(1 min in microwave)
00:50:47sharpeso like...
00:51:06sharpethe combination of bread and processed meat. woo!
00:51:16scorchehey now..
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00:51:23scorchei only eat kosher hot dogs
00:51:28scorcheall others are gross...
00:51:33sharpeyou have to admit, the combination does work well for many things
00:51:54*petur prefers healthy meals
00:52:31tucozI suppose it is possible to find 12 l buckets of butter in other parts of the world, as long as you go to a wholesale(er?)
00:53:23peturI've only seen them once in a supermarket near Seattle
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00:54:19tucozI wonder how many years I would spend to consume that amount of butter
00:54:34tucoz(under normal circumstances)
00:54:37sharpeyou never would
00:54:42sharpeit'd kill you.
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00:55:36sharpe12 liters is ~812 tablespoons...
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00:56:25scorchewell...i seriously doubt that those buckets are meant for consumers
00:56:42tucozprobably not
00:56:44sharpebut still... :)
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00:58:52sharpe12 liters of butter is like... 9384 grams of fat...
00:59:54sharpeunsalted, of course...
01:00:30*linuxstb is surprised to find himself in #nutrition
01:01:32preglowDON'T EAT LARD
01:02:01linuxstbAh lard - proper fat.
01:02:21*scorche runs upstairs to bring down another 5 cupcakes for consumption
01:02:45preglowthe fat for kings, yes
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01:05:43preglowi don't have anything unhealthy nearby right now, and it's annoying me
01:06:17sharpehmm... i now have delicious pizza.
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01:06:35*scorche offers preglow one of his delicious cupcakes
01:06:48preglowi don't do online food
01:07:02sharpeordering groceries online?
01:07:03scorche /dcc preglow delicious cupcake
01:07:04preglowit's the mosst unhealthy food of all
01:08:12sharpescorche: preglow just called your cupcakes unhealthy.
01:08:36scorchecupcakes arentsupposed to behealthy
01:08:41scorchethey are supposed to be tasty
01:08:44sharpeyour cupcakes got served.
01:08:46scorchewhich mine are
01:08:47preglowwholemeal cupcakes
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01:21:07t0mashow stable is the last daily?
01:21:25t0masI still have an old build from before the reworking of the playback code
01:21:32t0maswise to upgrade? :)
01:21:42preglowit's stable enough, they say
01:21:50sharpeyes... they do say that...
01:25:30linuxstbt0mas: You can always keep a backup of your current install... But it seems good to me.
01:25:45t0masyeah, I've just copied to backup to my PDA
01:25:54t0masso as long as USB mode works I can just copy it back :)
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01:27:44t0masI do have 1 problem harder to solve :)
01:27:53t0masmy music collection has outgrown my Iriver :)
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01:43:01dongsgod damn
01:43:15dongsokay who can I yell at for making 'clear settings' shit to enable while powering up and hold is on
01:43:32dongswhat the fuck couldnt you find a less obvious combo
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01:43:52dongstypical operation - i plug my ipod into cable while its off, hold is on, it powers on, clears settings, and changes to usb mode.
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01:44:41sharpedongs... just don't have hold on while you boot your ipod... it's not too hard to check, is it? :)
01:44:57dongsit is actually, and why should I worry if its on hold or no
01:45:02dongsi'm just plugging it in to charge/copy stuff
01:45:37Genre9mp3dongs: I would complain to Apple for not making the iPod with a proper button-set...
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01:47:53dongsso, how hard would it be to move 'clear settings' away from 'hold' button or beter yet not even add it at all
01:48:57sharpebecause then people would (by some cosmical phenomenon) end up having their background-foreground colors set the same more often, requiring it to be put back in.
01:49:09sharpewhy don't you just have a settings file?
01:49:18dongsi do
01:49:31sharpehow is it that big of a deal then?
01:49:44dongsits fucking annoying trying to load it while trying to drive and look at the default 4x4 pixel font while navigating user unfriendly menus
01:49:55sharpeit's 6x5...
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01:50:55Genre9mp3It's a vision challenge, you just have to get into the spirit! :)
01:52:15sharpeer, 5x7. i was thinking of another font, i believe.
01:52:54t0maspreglow? have you worked on the replaygain part?
01:53:21t0masfoobar2000 reports replaygain tags for a file (track only, no album), but rockbox doesn't
01:53:38t0masit reports <No Info> in the id3 options
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01:58:42preglowt0mas: i've only worked on adapting it to work on musepack files
01:59:07t0masah ok
01:59:44sharpeokay. it's 6x8. finally correct.
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02:04:38juxtapanyone know how i can charge my ipod if my battery is completely flat? (directly into plug port)
02:04:42linuxstbt0mas: What kind of files do you have, and what tags (id3 or APE) is foobar using?
02:04:52t0mastags are APE
02:04:59t0masso I guess that's the problem?
02:05:02t0mas(and filetype is mp3)
02:05:09linuxstbThen yes, that's the problem.
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02:05:43t0maseasy methode of conversion on windows?
02:06:46linuxstbjuxtap: Just plug it in - it will eventially come back to life. But keep an eye on it, and when it comes back to life, force it into disk mode to charge (to avoid the Rockbox -> Disk mode -> Rockbox reboot cycle).
02:07:58sharpehmm. the most my ipod boots back into rockbox from a dead battery is around... twice... haven't seen it reboot anymore... of course, this is with usb, and not firewire/ac chargers...
02:09:08linuxstbYes, if you connect to a computer, it will stay in disk mode. I was talking about a USB ac charger...
02:09:53sharpeyeah, i know...
02:09:54juxtapi got a usb ac charger
02:10:01juxtapi can't avoid the reboot cycle even after managing to get into disk mode
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02:10:23juxtapguess i'll keep fiddling
02:10:24sharpesure you're forcing it into diskmode, and not letting rockbox do it?
02:11:01linuxstbOnce Rockbox starts, unplug the charger. Then hold MENU (with Rockbox running) and insert the charger again. That should charge without rebooting.
02:11:18juxtapby disk mode i assume you mean holding 'menu' so it charges properly?
02:11:47sharpeforced disk mode is, right after the ipod begins booting, hold select and play.
02:12:24juxtap"with rockbox running" −− i can't run anything with a flat bat.
02:12:46linuxstbYou will be able to after a short while charging.
02:13:18linuxstbYou could also try holding MENU+SELECT to reset the ipod (with the charger inserted).
02:13:26juxtapyeah i saw, but then it repeats that reboot cycle
02:13:35juxtapmaybe i'll just charge it for longer beforehand
02:13:44juxtapso the reboot cycle doesn't damage anything?
02:14:09sharpelong-term it can...
02:14:12linuxstbIt shouldn't do, but it's not a good idea to leave it rebooting constantly.
02:14:34sharpeer, probably could.
02:14:42linuxstbAs soon as you see it rebooting, holding SELECT+PLAY should force it into disk mode - you can then leave it charging.
02:14:56linuxstbsharpe: We need a volunteer to test it....
02:15:02sharpelinuxstb: ...
02:15:08sharpei know. lets get scorche to.
02:15:28scorchei dont own an ipod...
02:15:36sharpebuy one and find out...
02:15:44scorchegive me money
02:15:53sharpefind a bank?
02:16:40sharpelinuxstb: i couldn't test it anyway... i've not an ac charger...
02:17:06linuxstbThat just leaves me then...
02:17:23sharpewarranty? :)
02:17:45linuxstbYep. I would need to remove Rockbox before I started the test though...
02:18:17*linuxstb gives up and goes to bed.
02:18:34juxtapta linuxstb, later
02:18:58sharpemy cue to go play games and enjoy life.
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02:43:19dongsspeaking of features
02:43:25dongshow hard woudl it be to support loading cue files
02:43:28dongsfor like 600meg mp3s
02:43:32dongsthat are split into chapters
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02:44:30scorchedongs: discussion about cue is here
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02:47:27dongslots of talk and no solution
02:47:29dongstypical :P
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02:48:36scorchedongs: i was nice enough to give you a link concerning what you asked...returning the favor with silence would be nice =P
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04:11:55JdGordondongs: cue is gonna be a PITA to support, but im trying to get it working
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04:47:20[TCK]anyone here?
04:47:46[TCK]I think my H100 is fubared
04:48:15[TCK]not sure if you're familiar with the good old ATA error: -11, but instead of -11 I've got -1
04:48:30[TCK]I'm guessing it's the same thing more or less
04:48:41JdGordonnup.. 10 errors between them
04:48:42sharpeand it's the ata error, correct?
04:48:56sharpeabsolutely sure?
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04:49:15[TCK]iRiver firmware gives Check HDD Connection
04:49:26sharpeokay then
04:49:45[TCK]doesn't appear on my PC when I connect either
04:50:47sharpemaybe there is a cable loose somewhere.
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04:51:41[TCK]inside you mean?
04:52:02[TCK]oh fun :)
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04:52:26[TCK]haven't seen the insides of my player in the two and a half years I've had it
04:52:38[TCK]next issue, finding Torx screwdriver
04:52:40[TCK]thanks mate
04:53:01sharpeheh, i've not a iriver player; it's the best i can do.
04:53:29[TCK]quick question
04:53:34[TCK]as it is I can't turn the player off
04:53:43[TCK]should I wait until the battery runs out?
04:54:07sharpeto like, open it?
04:54:37[TCK]or would it be okay to open it anyway?
04:55:11sharpewell, it'd be okay to open it; but with the risk of shorting something, you may want to wait, or disconnect the battery/batteries...
04:56:59[TCK]I'll wait out then
04:57:04[TCK]thanks again :)
04:57:24sharpeah, i may know what the -1 is...
04:59:46sharpeoh well, best advice i can offer is to open it and check to make sure all the connections are there...
04:59:54sharpeand connected
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05:03:51wehnTCK: press the reset button to turn off if there is no other way - it does a "hard" off
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05:21:41[TCK]wehn: pressing the reset button simply reboots it
05:21:50[TCK]might be because of my bootloader version
05:22:03[TCK]either way, I solved that problem using the hold button :E
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05:27:11toxicfumehi all
05:28:06toxicfumeipod's new firmware is out, and i need to install it, but i already have rockbox installed. I assume if i install the new ipod firmware, it will overwrite my rockbox firmware right? So how do i go about doing it so that my rockbox is still installed?
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05:30:58Mikachuwhy do you need to install it?
05:31:36toxicfumeuhmmm, for some reason..
05:31:52toxicfumebut that's not my question :P
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05:36:48kerbtoxicfume: extract the apple firmware, install the bootloader. as in the installation instructions
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06:20:27toxicfumei dont get it, in rockbox (ipod 5g), when i'm in the while playing screen, how do i get back to the file browser view without letting the music stop playing?
06:22:33midkaycenter button.
06:24:04toxicfumeah yes, thank midkay :)
06:24:12midkaynp. you might find the manual useful. :)
06:24:46toxicfumeway too many options to remember
06:25:26EbErTheh, that's what i felt like at the beginning
06:25:29EbErTyou'll get used to it
06:25:59EbErTmidkay: can i oblige you to look at a song file that tagcache has a problem with?
06:26:38midkaytoxicfume, haha. nah. :)
06:26:44midkayEbErT, hm, sure..
06:26:56toxicfumehehe EbErT, i hope so
06:27:03EbErTi just wanna slowly figure out how to make it work for me
06:27:29toxicfumewell until rockbox finally optimzes itself with the battery power, i can't move away from the apple firmware
06:28:42EbErTsending it, its a crap song, but i wondered why nothing likes the tags it has
06:29:38midkayhave you looked at the tags and made sure they're ok? no weird characters or anything..
06:30:35EbErTversion 2.3 id3tag
06:31:02EbErTthis is one of a few i got of streaming radio, autotagged by the downloading program
06:31:22EbErTthey all don't seem to be like by anything but itunes
06:34:00EbErTthere are other ones that it cant handle too
06:34:07EbErTjust a big mess..
06:34:42EbErTsomeone was supposedly working on making it skip ones it can't handle
06:34:59EbErTand/or write a text file containing a list of ones it had problems with
06:35:13EbErTthat would really be a great feature
06:36:09EbErTdoes it matter that they are all in 1 folder? for tagcacheing i mean
06:36:10midkaywhat does it do currently?
06:36:18midkayno, doesn't matter.
06:36:55EbErTcurrently it freezes the whole screen part way through, and i can hear the harddrive humming at a constant speed
06:36:58EbErTnot reading anything
06:37:06midkayso rockbox locks up? hm.
06:40:27toxicfumeI installed a theme (wps), but it doesn't appear in the rockbox firmware when i start it up :S what do i do?
06:40:37midkayare you browsing themes?
06:40:41midkayis it installed to the right place?
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06:41:12toxicfumeyes i'm browsing themes, not via file browser
06:41:25EbErTcould just be a .wps then
06:41:37midkaywell, it must be in the wrong place, or yeah, possibly just a .wps..
06:41:53EbErTlook in general settings/ display/wps
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06:42:04*EbErT thinks that's the place
06:43:04toxicfumelet me have a look at the folders again..
06:43:16toxicfumeah i get it!
06:44:13toxicfumewait maybe not, lol
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06:44:56toxicfumewell i downloaded the theme and it had a few files in 3 folders, wps, backdrops and fonts, and i extracted them into the corresponding folders into the ipod
06:45:04toxicfumeunder the .rockbox folder ofcourse
06:47:37midkayyes, that's right.
06:47:54midkaymake sure you're extracting with full paths.. not just every file in every subdir into /.rockbox/.
06:49:47toxicfumeyes that's what I did
06:50:04toxicfumeso this is just a wps right? that means this thing only appears in the while playing screen, right?
06:51:39toxicfumeso many things are incosistent. eventhough i installed the fonts that came with the theme, the fonts dont load up, and even if i manually load the fonts, the colour of the font is white, and not green like it should be in the screenshot
06:52:32toxicfumesomethign must be wrong?
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06:57:39toxicfumeanyone there?
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07:14:32toxicfumemidkay, ?
07:16:51midkaytoxicfume, ?
07:17:15midkayare you safely disconnecting? if the files aren't appearing there...
07:17:39midkayyou should just be able to load the theme. simple as that.. if you can't, something is not right.
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07:26:45*B4gder is gonna be a whole lot less present daytime here for the next 4 weeks
07:26:59B4gdervacation days are here
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07:28:06JdGordonlucky B4gder
07:28:27toxicfumemidkay, sorry, there is no theme actually, i think it's just a wps file
07:29:14midkayweird+unusual+not good, but then the wps goes in /.rockbox/wps.
07:29:15toxicfumebut once i play a song, the wps screen doesn't appear as it should, fonts dont load
07:29:26toxicfumeyes the wps is in that folder
07:29:29midkayfonts "don't load"?
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07:33:21toxicfumehmm okay
07:33:32toxicfumelet me explain step by step cause i'm not too good at this :P
07:33:40wehn_re- fonts: I noticed the other day that fonts are no longer bundled with the daily builds...
07:33:55toxicfumemidkay, i downloaded this
07:33:59wehn_I had just been unzipping over old installs for a while so hadn't noticed
07:34:21toxicfumeand then i extracted the folders rincluded with that zip under the ipod:/.rockbox/ folder
07:34:23midkaywehn_, fonts have been seperate for.. gah.. probably two months now. :)
07:35:28toxicfumemidkay, then I reset the ipod, get back into rockbox, and then i start the .wps under general settings/ display/wps
07:35:49midkaythen load the font.
07:36:09midkaybrowse fonts under display or LCD settings.. and in the package, it's MarsPolice-14.
07:36:40toxicfumei have load the font too? but that would mean the fonts of the entire rockbox UI will be MarsPolice-14 right? not just the WPS?
07:37:00midkayright, there is no support currently for seperate ui/wps fonts.
07:37:03midkayfont is global.
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07:38:28toxicfumeaw damn, cause those fonts are annoying to read in the normal screens
07:38:34toxicfumethey only look good in the wps :P
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07:38:48midkayif they *ever* look good, i'm completely lost as to when. :)
07:39:02toxicfumethat's your opinion :P
07:39:04midkaylooks pretty ugly to me.. pixelated and misshapen and.. weird. :)
07:39:12midkaysure it is.
07:39:44toxicfumemidkay, one more thing
07:40:00toxicfumein the screen the font appears green colour, do i have to change to? because when i just load the fonts, it's white
07:40:28midkayyes, you must change it.
07:40:53toxicfumei thought this is all automtic (as in it's all specified in the .wps files)
07:41:25midkayno, only in the theme files is where it goes.
07:41:31midkaybut this guy wasn't nice enough to create one..
07:42:41JdGordonhey midkay, hows your fireworks demo going?
07:43:09midkayJdGordon, haven't done any work very recently.. not very into coding right now.
07:43:23JdGordonha ok
07:49:22B4gderthe joy of spam cleaning in the morning
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07:52:25B4gderoriginating from Ukraine
07:53:17amiconnMeh. What's wrong with the build system?
07:53:44amiconnMy first commit compiled, but doesn't show up on the frontpage. The second commit doesn't start building...
07:54:25B4gderboth are on the front page now at least
07:55:08amiconnYes, but the second one still didn't build
07:55:19B4gderbut I don't see why
08:00:50B4gderhm, now it started...
08:01:37midkaysimilar's happened to me before.. sometimes there's a considerable delay before builds start, seemingly particularly after one immediately previous.
08:01:53B4gderright now the server is under a huge load as well
08:02:19B4gderload average: 13.15, 10.53, 9.36
08:02:38midkay13.15, 10.53, 9.36 *what*?
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08:06:27webguest13hi ho
08:06:39webguest13some one understand german here ?
08:07:51webguest13i have a very big problem ... with my H430 ;/
08:08:21midkaycan you speak english well enough to explain it? or use a translator..
08:08:31webguest13i try it ;D
08:12:30webguest13my problem: i think i have an US iRiver H340 . he had the 1.25 E Firmware (international) it wored very well so i have no problems. yeserday i read something about rockbox and i can believe it , damn nice :) so i downlaodedthe 1.30 EU Firmware (i live in germany so i thought that i could use a European Firmware, i dont know how different the firmwares are...) i flash the H340 With the 1.30 EU firmware + ROCK Box. an the firmwareflash the device tu
08:12:54webguest13i hope u guys understand my bad english ;D
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08:14:22B4gderwebguest13: your phrase was cut off above
08:14:33B4gderit didn't reveal any problem
08:14:53webguest13u cant read it , cause the line ended ?
08:15:08B4gder" an the firmwareflash the device tu"
08:15:18B4gderthat's how the line ends
08:15:43webguest13an the firmwareflash the device turn off... now when i want to start it the screen shows me " Rockbox " and below he try to test the system, and at least the firmware.. then he turn off... what should i do?
08:16:04webguest13now u can ;)
08:16:10webguest13i dont use IRC very often ^^
08:16:17B4gderdid you unzip the Rockbox build on the disk?
08:16:24B4gderdo you have the batteries properly charged?
08:16:43webguest13the battery was half full
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08:17:44webguest13and the rockbox is not on the player right now
08:18:04webguest13should i turn the rockbox on the HDD from the h340 ?
08:18:38webguest13i am sure the battery is not empty ;)
08:19:18*amiconn guesses that the bootloader detects rockbox is not present, and tries to start the original firmware
08:19:36amiconn...but the original firmware sees no ON button pressed, and powers off again
08:19:46amiconnNothing to worry about
08:19:57webguest13u mean i am save ?
08:20:04webguest13the device is not Dead ? ;D
08:20:11webguest13we can rescue him ;))?
08:20:26amiconn(1) Connect the iriver to the PC while it's powered off. It should power on and the rockbox bootloader should go straight into USB mode
08:20:38amiconn(2) Unzip rockbox onto it
08:21:06amiconn(3) Safely disconnect. Rockbox should boot now
08:21:58webguest13ok, one moment plz ;)
08:22:06amiconnYou can also try to boot into the original firmware first:
08:22:52amiconnWhile powered off, press & hold Record. Then press and hold ON (while still holding Record). Continue holding ON until you see the original firmware start (a few seconds)
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08:30:29webguest13i am back ^^ i copied the .rockbox folder and the file into my root directory on the HDD of the H340
08:31:29webguest13it works
08:31:32webguest13YEAHAA ;D
08:31:36webguest13Thanks a LOT
08:31:44webguest13he live :))
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08:36:20webguest13i am so happy at the moment, one questen: it is normal , that rockbox is a little bit colorless ? or i dont have a Theme ?
08:36:50B4gderget a theme you like to enjoy more colors
08:37:03webguest13and where ;)
08:37:07webguest13what i have to do:) ^^
08:37:34B4gderwebguest13: read the manual/docs
08:41:43webguest13ok , Thx B4gder :)
08:41:53webguest13thats nice support u guys here do ^^
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08:45:01webguest13can i watch my videos with rockbox , like with the old firmware?
08:45:17webguest13and if yes, can i add some more codecs ?
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08:59:48scorcheto both =P
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09:04:36webguest13;/ hmm its only for Musik ? hmmm and how i can choose between ROCK Box and iRiver Firmware?
09:05:38scorcheamiconn told you how to boot into the iriver firmware above
09:06:19B4gder"only" for music, yeah
09:06:34B4gderbut feel free to change that
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09:20:41webguest13no rockbox rocks ;D
09:20:57webguest135 seconds to start the player ^^ before rockbox 1 min ... ^^
09:21:13webguest13but can i make a boot menue ?
09:21:37webguest13to choose between the 2 firmwares?
09:21:52webguest13if i want to watch a film on the i river
09:21:57peturI'd hate that -> much slower
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09:22:15peturjust hold rec while turning on
09:22:23webguest13i take the lame iriver firmware ;) and if i want to hear musik i choose rock box ^^
09:22:35webguest13ahh ok
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09:22:39webguest13thats what i mean ^^
09:22:47Scorpiusmy iRiver hang
09:23:01ScorpiusI04: IllInstr at 1000C000
09:23:07Scorpiushow can I boot it again
09:23:09B4gderthat's not a hang, that's a crash
09:23:14B4gderreset it
09:23:20peturwebguest13: on h3x0 you can also double-click ON for iriver firmware but the click rate is a bit sensitive
09:23:41Scorpiusok I see how
09:23:46ScorpiusI never knew it has a hole for that
09:24:17ScorpiusI wonder what happened I was just increasing volume :(
09:24:20webguest13yap i did it petur it works great ^^
09:26:10*B4gder prefers baked beans
09:26:26*petur discovered the double click trick by accident
09:27:00Scorpiuswhat does the double click do? booting the original firmware?
09:27:10Scorpiusoh yeah.
09:27:20midkayB4gder, "congratulations" - hahaha, i was going to say that exact same thing, but i thought it'd be a bit out-of-place. :D
09:27:38midkaygreat minds think alike.
09:27:49midkayalthough i think retarded ones do too. hm.
09:28:01Scorpiusyeah that's why Bush is still the president.
09:28:01midkaynah, impossible. my mind is great!
09:28:05DBUGEnqueued KICK B4gder
09:28:17B4gderRobbyWilliams in the wiki
09:28:22B4gderclearly some kind of script
09:28:31B4gderrun from all over
09:28:36midkay*THE* robbin williams?!
09:28:47B4gderadds weirdo viagra attachments
09:29:46B4gderthe problem is that they are hard to block
09:29:51B4gdersince they come from everywhere
09:29:54midkaythat sucks.
09:30:01midkaylet's switch to mediawiki. they must not have this problem!
09:30:35peturcan't we tweak the registration to act a little different?
09:30:39B4gderI believe there are twiki plugins we can use
09:30:41peturjust to break the script
09:31:11midkaylet's change the entire site into a mediawiki.
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09:40:08B4gderand again
09:40:37Bg3rB4gder turing number ? ;)
09:40:53B4gderthey're on here non-stop right now
09:41:16CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:41:16*B4gder tail -fs the log
09:41:45B4gder70.87.62.250 is the villain still
09:43:52petur'RobByWilliams' <−− hehe
09:44:09peturalmost RobbedByWilliams
09:44:33B4gderyeah, I now leave the names in the htpasswd file
09:44:42B4gderso he had to modify it to create a new
09:45:22peturthese spammers are such a waste of time
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09:46:10B4gderin happier news, I've been promised to get the first mi4 decrypt tool source code tonight
09:46:50markunWho's sending it to you?
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09:47:09peturI co-admin the forum of my fav .be rockband and I get to remove spammers a lot. Even with some fancy 'type what you read' they get in
09:47:43B4gdermarkun: but clearly a clever dude, not an insider
09:48:20markunHe's not from Sandisk?
09:48:55B4gderand it doesn't work on the sandisk mi4 files (yet)
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09:50:37markunDid he tell you how the encryption works?
09:50:58B4gdernot in details but he's sending me the source within shortly
09:51:07B4gderfor his tool
09:51:31markunSorry for being so impatient, but I'm just very curious :)
09:51:54B4gderand I've offered to run a modified BL on my sansa to test more things
09:52:20B4gderthis guys doesn't even own an mp3 player
09:56:19markunB4gder: does the ipod firmware update work differently?
09:58:26*amiconn hates those gcc 4.1 warnings
09:58:32B4gdermarkun: completely
09:59:22B4gderit seems this is a PP way of doing upgrades but ipods clearly don't use this way
10:06:13elljayi have a dumb question as a user.. can i make the default font bigger? it's soooo small
10:06:35elljayhurts to try to read it
10:07:28Bg3relljay yes, u can, but it's easier to just switch it to other one
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10:07:50elljaybg3r; are there docs out there on how to switch the fonts?
10:07:51midkayi think that's what he means.
10:07:58midkaythe font package is at the daily builds page.
10:08:21elljayk, i'll go take a look
10:08:23midkayall the fonts should end up in /.rockbox/fonts - select one in rockbox after extracting them from menu - general settings - display - font. or something.
10:08:31wehn_elljay: install the extra fonts from the rockbox site, then choose another font. menu - general settings - display - browse fonts
10:08:37elljayi'm on it
10:09:04elljayyou guys reccomend one for a video ipod?
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10:10:27Bg3relljay if you don't hope for rockbox video support on it soon (if at all) - then yes
10:10:42elljayno, i mean fonts
10:10:46elljayi could care less about video support ;)
10:11:14elljayi hate itunes
10:11:18Bg3relljay just try them
10:11:36elljayi switched to rockbox because i can just put my files on there as i see fit
10:11:42elljaywithout apple's retarded software
10:12:16elljayand their wierd db system that mangles my id3 tags, etc
10:12:58peturelljay: have a look in the WPS gallery in the wiki, most themes define fonts, so you can get an idea by looking at ipodvideo themes
10:13:15elljayi had a rio carbon who's thumbwheel fell out
10:13:27elljayso i got a 30gb video ipod cheap
10:13:36elljaypetur; where's the wiki at?
10:14:21elljaynice, thanks
10:14:26elljayi'll huttup now and figure it out
10:15:42elljaywel while i'm asking dumb questions.. how do i make a bookmark?
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10:19:35linuxstbApple in bugfix shock - it seems their recent ipod firmware update fixes the bug playing vbr mp3 files on the Nano...
10:20:17toxicfumeso rockbox still doesn't support playback of any video formats on the iPod video 5G?
10:21:38linuxstbNo, and still no-one is working on it.
10:21:49elljaysweet, the new font is rocking
10:21:50elljaythanks guys
10:22:40midkayelljay, bookmarking - hold select in the WPS.
10:22:46midkaydown to bookmarks, and 'create bookmark'.
10:26:00toxicfumelinuxstb, oh okay, damn. divx/xvid support would be cool.
10:27:14B4gdertoxicfume: prove it! ;-)
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10:28:19linuxstbB4gder: So I'm guessing the firmware decryption program you're getting only works with the "0x0102" files (i.e. H10), and not the 0x0103 files?
10:28:22markuntoxicfume: look in the patch tracker in the 'video' section
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10:28:40B4gderlinuxstb: yes and possibly even more limited than so
10:28:56B4gderas it seems the h10 one uses a default key for the encryption
10:29:03linuxstbAh, OK. Has he just tested on the h10 firmware do you know?
10:29:17B4gderhe said the h10 and some of the others worked too
10:29:36linuxstbBut even if it doesn't help the Sansa port, it's good news for a potential H10 port.
10:30:10peturdo we need to set up distributed computing to crack the encryption keys?
10:30:26linuxstbA Rockbox plugin...
10:30:37peturor ask Sandisk for the key
10:30:57B4gder128 bit keys
10:31:08B4gderthat's insanely much to brute-force
10:31:26*petur notices increased level of spam in his mailboxes :(
10:34:24B4gderI've more or less given up on SanDisk bringing us anything else
10:34:35linuxstbB4gder: Do you know if Linus heard anything back after his last email about the Chinese player?
10:34:44webguest13question ? i have downlaoded the Theme Redbreva ( ) but it dont looks like the same on my h340
10:34:52B4gderI don't think he did
10:35:32peturwebguest13: got all fonts installed?
10:36:23webguest13nope @ petur, should i ,)?
10:36:53peturcheck the wps (it's just a text file) to see the font it uses
10:37:13linuxstbIsn't the font in the theme .cfg?
10:37:33peturyes, sorry
10:37:55peturit uses nimbus-12.fnt
10:38:44webguest13ok i loaded the fonts on the h340 one moment ill check this out ^^
10:39:22*petur wonders about the xml files in the redbreva zip
10:40:06webguest13when i start a song, at the left upper corner stands: backgraound.bmp below this stands pbar.bmp and the whole thing is in the standart font
10:40:26peturdid you load it as theme or as wps?
10:40:47peturyou must Browse Themes
10:41:08webguest13i copied the " _notes " - folder too, is this not ok ?
10:41:16webguest13as theme
10:41:24peturdelete the _notes
10:41:50midkaywebguest13, that means the res isn't right on those images..
10:41:59midkayyou must be using a theme for a different sized LCD.
10:42:09midkaywhat model are you using, and what theme from where?
10:42:11webguest13ok i realoadet the font but, now the fonts are ok, but the theme dont looks like the picture ... ;/
10:42:43webguest13sry i mean i reloaded the theme ^^
10:42:55webguest13i delete the _notes mom
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10:45:09elljayis it ok if i disable the itunes service? it's getting annoying every time i plug in it pops up
10:46:19webguest13i delete the _notes folder but nothing happens...
10:46:32webguest13i think this 2 firles are msing, issnt it ?
10:46:48midkaypossibly, or the improper size.
10:48:38petursize looked ok
10:49:32peturnames are ok, files are in the zip
10:49:54peturjust don't have time to test the theme here...
10:54:45webguest13ou lol ^^
10:54:58webguest13ok, was my spid fault *cheer*
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10:55:17webguest13i forget to copy a folder ...
10:55:29peturtsk tsk tsk
10:56:28webguest13now it works fine :) looks cool, u should try it out too ^^
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11:02:10webguest13ok guys i must work now a little bit or i get "aggro" of my boss ^^ so i am away for a bit of time ;D
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11:03:03B4gdernah, show your boss Rockbox and tell him to chill ;-)
11:03:35*petur tried this but it didn't help much ;)
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11:17:59webguest49petur: The XML files are added by Dreamweaver to aid sync'ing local and web copies, and can be deleted...
11:19:42webguest49I am still trying to tidy up the data files on the themes site, but some of them are taking quite a lot of work :-(
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11:24:52scorcheB4gder: if you want to brute force...i could prolly acquire a few fpgas and have at it =P
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11:36:30Rob2222_Anyone here with a H3_60_?
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11:36:55*petur wants an h380
11:37:06*Rob2222 has a H380 *duck*
11:37:45peturAre the Toshiba's available now?
11:37:53Rob2222I got one at eBay
11:37:59Rob2222for 200 Euro
11:38:08crwlwhat about 40 GB single-platters?
11:38:46Rob2222but in the last 4 months only 2 80GBs hits at ebay, have a search with email notice running
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11:40:12Rob2222Anyway, I need the 1st sector (MBR) of a H260.
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11:42:09midkayyay, Paprica.
11:42:49Papricawhat do you think on commit new plugins for 3.0?
11:42:55Papricalike chopper and mazzam
11:43:10midkaywon't happen..
11:43:35midkayunless you convince the party pooper *points at B4gder*
11:43:54Papricahaha :)
11:44:28Papricathe feature freeze takes too much time =\
11:45:02midkayyeah.. well, they're staying strict about it. :)
11:45:35elljaydumb question, i installed a theme. it works perfect while playing... it's suposed to mod the menus also, no dice
11:45:40elljaywhat did i miss?
11:45:51midkaymod the menus?
11:46:00midkaywith a backdrop?
11:46:21midkayif you're loading it from browse themes, try rebooting.
11:46:26peturelljay: did you also copy the backdrop in the correct folder?
11:46:54elljayjust figured it out
11:46:58elljaygotta load the wps and the theme
11:47:28elljayblue5g is rockin
11:47:35midkayjust load the theme next time, that automatically loads the WPS too.
11:47:37spiorfhi, is tagcache broken ATM?
11:47:46elljayreally? cool
11:47:48elljaydidnt know that
11:47:50midkaynot that i know of..
11:47:56spiorfi'm asking it
11:48:00midkayelljay, yeah, theme = font, wps, colors usually.
11:48:09spiorfi keep getting a lot of <untagged> files
11:48:17midkay.. are they tagged? :)
11:48:29midkayi've never had tagged files marked untagged.
11:48:37peturusing album art in your tags?
11:48:39elljaymkdkay; one more dumb question... the thmes that load album art... what file are they looking for?
11:48:58midkayelljay, those only work with a patched version of rockbox.
11:49:09elljaymidkay; i believe i'm running it now
11:49:17Rob2222btw, is there a gallery of backdrops?
11:49:19spiorfhow long does it takes to scan 2 GB of files?
11:49:21midkaybut there's a priority system.. first i think it checks for filename.bmp, then albumname.bmp, and finally cover.bmp.. or something.
11:49:36midkayspiorf, not that long.
11:49:41elljaynot .gif?
11:49:41midkayyes, .bmp.
11:49:45elljaywhat size?
11:49:57spiorfminutes? seconds?
11:50:14midkayfile priority :1. <filename>.bmp 2. <album>.bmp 3. cover.bmp
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11:50:22midkayelljay, whatever the theme specifies.
11:50:34midkayspiorf, depends on model.. couple minutes probably.
11:50:52midkaycould be a minute, or if you're on an archos, maybe several.. they seem quite slow at it.
11:51:00spiorfipod nano here
11:51:18elljayahh cover.bmp is what i was looking for
11:51:37midkayspiorf, ah, even better.. under a minute, i'd bet.
11:51:41Rob2222petur ah thx
11:52:18spiorfthere are restrictions about id3 tag version?
11:52:39elljayis it me or does the ipod video battery drain much faster using rockbox?
11:53:03elljayi'd guess i'm using the screen much more than i'd usually while i'm learning and modding the interface
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11:54:14midkayspiorf, there's a priority setting that Rockbox follows, but it in the end will check id3v1 and v2 tags before giving up.
11:54:53midkaymaaaan. 18 minutes of map compiling to find it didn't even work.
11:54:56spiorfin itunes i converted tags to version 2.4
11:55:01spiorfis this too high?
11:55:10midkayi don't believe so, no..
11:55:32elljayheh, i went from 5.5hrs of battery life to 3.1 in less than 5mins
11:55:40peturelljay: rockbox uses more batt on ipod yes
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11:55:56peturit's far from release ready
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11:56:15elljaypetur; i just wanted to make sure i wasnt going crazy ;)
11:56:32midkayhaha. not that bad, nah.
11:56:36elljaythat's fine with me... i listen mostly in my car and it's charging the whole time
11:56:38midkaybattery indicator isn
11:56:42midkayisn't perfect
11:58:06elljayanything i can do to avoid itunes.. i'll give my first born
11:58:44elljayi'd rather use musicmatch
11:58:55elljayand that is PAIN
11:59:02midkaythat's saying something, yeah.
12:00:46elljayi'm using a modded rockbox bin right now
12:00:55elljaythe wheel acceleration is driving me nuts
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12:01:16elljaycuz i'm used to using the standard ipod firmware
12:01:33elljayi dont need to move a full circle to get down a screen
12:02:17elljayit's actually better this way
12:02:33elljayjust need to ween myself off the old plan
12:03:11midkayhaha, yeah.
12:04:18elljayhehe the battery just jumped to 3hrs 52mins
12:04:28elljaythen down to 2hrs 42mins
12:04:32elljayin one cycle
12:04:37midkayit can be spazzy-ish.
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12:05:01elljayback to 3hrs 19mins again
12:05:26midkayvery general estimate. :)
12:06:41elljayyah, it's nuts
12:06:46elljayso i'm curious
12:06:56elljaywhere do you guys dev on?
12:07:00elljaylinux? osx?
12:07:24elljaywhat's the processor for the ipod? arm?
12:07:54elljaycross compilers are fun
12:08:16*scorche gets no respect....not even for his jokes
12:08:20elljayscorche; you really use os/2?
12:08:37elljayare you running a 4 node bbs?
12:08:39*midkay is on windows and won't go anywhere soon.
12:08:52linuxstbelljay: I think there's a pretty even mix of Linux and Windows users amongst the Rockbox devs. But the cross-compiler needs Linux or Cygwin.
12:09:02midkayscorche, stop that crazy talk. you don't deserve respect.
12:09:13linuxstbAnd yes, the ipods all have two arm7tdmi cpus.
12:09:18elljayi ran os/2 for while
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12:09:28elljaybest OS for running a BBS
12:09:37elljaydesqview was trash when os/2 came out
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12:10:58scorchemidkay: =(
12:11:06Mikachu::petur hits firefox and the webclient for 0 damage::
12:11:18midkayscorche, uh. did anyone say you could talk.
12:11:20midkayi don't think so.
12:11:39scorchemidkay: =(
12:12:07*scorche sends a telepathic message to midkay saying: "i didnt talk, i just frowned at you"
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12:12:19elljayscorche; if you're hoping to gain respect dont respond to that with =)
12:12:26elljayerrr =(
12:12:35midkayscorche, stop talki−− hm. i just got this weird kind of feeling that you just frowned at me instead of talking. well. alright then.
12:13:12elljays/=(/suck my balls
12:13:45midkayplease. think of the children.
12:13:57scorchebut sharpe is asleep...
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12:14:23elljayyou guys are nuts
12:14:29midkayscorche's pretty hardcore.
12:14:48midkaywe'll see what sharpe has to say about this when he gets up.
12:17:13elljayeh i need to get my desktop here and hooked up
12:17:56midkaywhy that.
12:18:13elljaywe'll i miss it
12:18:31elljayi moved to a new place
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12:21:24elljayi'm working on my laptop which is pretty lame
12:21:51elljayi wanna do some coding again... done some arm
12:22:03elljaysounds like fun
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12:24:25XavierGrToday I thought that I heard an 192 mp3 artifact, but who knows maybe it was a placebo effect
12:24:35XavierGrI was very worried though
12:25:05XavierGrI can't afford lower compression
12:25:09Bg3rXavierGr ;)
12:25:19XavierGroh Helli Bg3r
12:25:24XavierGrhello too
12:26:21Rob2222Hey XavierGr
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12:26:42Rob2222Would you still send me your MBR? (Sector 1)
12:27:02Rob2222But I think, the disk is lost already :(
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12:28:29jon_mHi. Nice-looking software. I'm thinking of getting an Archos Jukebox 20GB Multimedia With Photo Module. Will the rockbox software let me use the player as a camera? Or would I be able to run it as 'dual boot' with the rockbox and original firmware? TIA
12:29:30B4gderrockbox doesn't run on the archos multimedia
12:30:56XavierGrah hello Rob
12:31:09XavierGrRob yes wait a minute
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12:38:02XavierGrnow where is the mbr utility I used last time (and nearly lost all my data)
12:38:21B4gderdd is your friend
12:40:27XavierGrBagder I am not a linux expert. (not even average user)
12:41:12linuxstbUse "fdisk -l" to find which device is your H340 - e.g. /dev/sda and then do "dd if=/dev/sda count=1 of=mbr.bin"
12:41:54XavierGrok I will try that thanks
12:42:12linuxstbNot sure if it will work in vmware though - are you using vmware?
12:42:32linuxstbBut it should work OK in cygwin.
12:42:33XavierGryes unfortunately
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12:42:55XavierGrwell itshould work on cygwin if you have installed these packages
12:43:31linuxstbdd should be part of the base installation. Not sure about fdisk though.
12:43:36Rob2222XavierGr: Should I send you a HEXEditor for Winows?
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12:44:35XavierGrRob: no, this will confuse me even more. I will just download one random mbr utility then I will send you the utility with the dump file
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12:45:19XavierGrRob: you are on windows right?
12:45:27jon_mthanks. if rockbox definitely doesn't run on the archos multimedia, that rules that out, then :(
12:45:29Rob2222I have Knoppix here, too.
12:45:50XavierGrI mean your primary OS
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12:46:00Rob2222With the Hex Editor its safe, too. You can open the drive read only.
12:46:03Rob2222Yes, WinXP.
12:47:35B4gderjon_m: it definitely doesn't
12:48:17B4gderarchopen (.org) might
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12:50:52XavierGrRob: Done
12:51:03XavierGrI will send you the utility to restore it and the file
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12:52:24Rob2222dont write when a DCC window pops up
12:52:29Rob2222XavierGr Could you send again pls?
12:53:52Rob2222ok, thx !
12:53:56Rob2222very much
12:53:58XavierGrthere you will find the command line utility and the txt file has the mbr info
12:54:18XavierGrrun the .exe once (from cmd) for info how ot use it
12:55:08XavierGrnormally you have to type something like:
12:55:11XavierGrmbrwiz /disk=4 /restore=60gb.txt
12:55:27XavierGrwhere on disk you should provide the nunber for the H300
12:55:48XavierGrif you provide a wrong number you will loose the data from one of your disks
12:56:17Rob2222already done, all ok
12:56:18XavierGrso please be sure to type "mbrwiz /list" first
12:56:24XavierGrah okay nice
12:56:27XavierGrthe outcome?
12:56:36Rob2222let me try
12:57:57*XavierGr crosses fingers
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12:59:03jon_mThanks anyway, then. Bye :)
12:59:10Rob2222doesnt help
12:59:14Rob2222but i found the error
12:59:35Rob2222wrote mbr, disconnect, connect, read mbr, and took a compare
12:59:46amiconnlinuxstb: fdisk & co should all work in a vmware linux installation for an USB storage device, if they work on plain linux
13:00:11amiconnVMware is able to connect an usb device which is plugged into the host to one of the guests
13:00:47Rob2222and it is not the same. so the disc 1.)cant hold the data, or 2.) cant write the data correct or 3.) cant read the data correct
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13:00:49amiconnThis connection is exclusive, i.e. the guest may do whatever it wants with this usb device
13:01:07amiconnThe hosts and other guests have no access to it
13:02:28XavierGrRob: So you don't have anything else to do right?
13:03:51Rob2222Nope. The HD doesnt write the correct data, i just tested
13:04:02Rob2222cause of that i didnt get read errors. lol
13:04:15Rob2222it just writes false data
13:05:30Rob2222uh @ me?
13:06:45Rob2222That poor girl. Purchased a used H340 from ebay from that is heavy damaged and a MK6006GAH from GB that is damaged, too.
13:07:27Rob2222The H340 has a damaged earphone circuit and pulls 380mA on playing MP3 without disc.
13:07:42Rob2222=> runtime of 3h
13:07:53Bg3rRob2222 this is the unit from the girl u've found @ ebay ?
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13:08:36Rob2222i only should assemble the HD in. its hers
13:08:55Bg3rRob2222 bad situation..
13:09:27Rob2222I almost talk to her and she trust me, that i didnt damaged it.
13:09:48Rob2222but im sorry for her, anyway :(
13:10:12Rob2222the ebay seller of the h340 was ... nice that they didnt test the units before selling ...
13:10:34Bg3rRob2222 :(
13:10:59fluxxare the default bass boost/discant boost-features provided by the iRiver iHP-120 hardware, or is the capability to diminish those just an oversight?
13:11:06fluxxobviously one can do those with the equalizer..
13:11:08Rob2222I just think if it is possible that the HD is damaged by the H340 ...
13:11:18amiconnRob2222: Maybe the disk isn't damaged, but rather the damaged unit doesn't manage to control the disk properly?
13:11:21fluxx(which I guess must be software?)
13:11:47Bg3rfluxx they bass & treble are done in the codec chip
13:11:50Rob2222amiconn: The disc doenst work on my 1,8" usb 2.0 controller, too
13:12:04Rob2222and the original 40GB works in both
13:12:24fluxxbg3r, the audio chip I take it, there's no separate mp3 decoder chip?
13:12:43Bg3rfluxx yep, it's an "audio codec" chip, uda1380
13:12:50fluxxI always wondered why the original firmware didn't support negative adjustments for those, but that does explain it..
13:13:04XavierGrRob: the H300 is damaged too?
13:13:08fluxxdoesn't explain why the chip doesn't support those, though :)
13:13:15XavierGrcan you get her to RMA it?
13:13:27XavierGrat least she could have a working unit
13:13:45muesli|delhiis there a way to display japanese characters in thunderbird?
13:13:59XavierGrRob: it still has the original disk right?
13:14:22Rob2222I just think if it can be, that the H340 damaged the 60GB. Cause after assemble it, i could copy some files (on the partition that was on the HD), and put the unit to charge. 1h later i only saw worse characters, got a blue screen and after that i never managed to partition it for myself. But that the 40GB works in fine would say angainst it ...
13:14:55XavierGrthe 40gb is hers or yours?
13:15:07Rob2222Yes, original disc is fine. said, she should RMA, but i didnt know if iriver will RMA on a 2nd hand purchased player
13:15:13Rob222240gb is hers.
13:15:20Rob2222the original
13:15:31XavierGrdoes she have the receipt?
13:15:48Rob2222i think so. at least the ebay purchase
13:16:03XavierGrthen she has a good chance of RMA
13:16:23Rob2222 <=and the hd
13:16:45Rob2222i just think was "REFURBED FROM NEW" means at the HD ...
13:16:53Rob2222"low level formatted" ...
13:17:20XavierGrRob: tell her to get in contact with iriver in Germany (if she is from europe)
13:17:35XavierGreither with email (slow) or contact them by phone
13:17:44XavierGrDo you remember my story?
13:17:53XavierGrat least i got a wrking player now
13:18:07XavierGr(and USB OTG finally)
13:18:09Rob2222yes, she will
13:18:13Rob2222hehe :)
13:18:18Rob2222shes from germany, too
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13:21:53XavierGrah I remember when I called to germany!
13:22:01XavierGrBger adviced me to do so
13:22:06XavierGr(thanks Bger! :p)
13:22:39XavierGrhmm I am trying to remember the name of the assistant there....
13:22:55XavierGrmaybe I could tell you the name and speak to him directly
13:23:00XavierGrhe was very helpfull
13:23:26louwe germans are not helpful
13:23:39loumy bet is that he was a foreigner working here
13:24:21muesli|delhiyeah, this guy seems to come from austria
13:24:39Rob2222thats not true lou :p
13:24:54Rob2222I just tried to help that girl
13:25:03Rob22222 days to get that damn hd working
13:25:14Rob2222afk some minutes
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13:28:56spiorfhi, i converted all tags to id3v1 and now works
13:29:09spiorfmaybe a bug in the id3v2 code
13:29:34pijuliushi all, sorry to bother, I asked the question on the forum too, but than I realized that asking on irc is a lot faster :) so here I'm:
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13:29:46pijuliusis the bootloader limited in size? I try to add a full screen image to the loader, but only the original one is working which is 98 heigh. Is there something that I can do about it? or should I leave this alone?
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13:34:44midkaypijulius, well, have you named the fullscreenone correctly?
13:35:46pijuliusmidkay, Yeh, I tried to only show a part of it and it worked, anyway, has this to do something with it: #define MAX_LOADSIZE (4*1024*1024) in ipod.c?
13:35:55midkayhm, no idea, sorry..
13:36:10pijuliusok, than lets find out :)
13:38:38pijuliusno, it seems not :)
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13:56:01B4gdermi4code.c posted
13:56:34merbananbad link
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14:08:00Bg3rB4gder where ? daniel.haxx. ?
14:08:31B4gderhome of the mi4 files
14:09:21linuxstbB4gder: Do you know if there's also a checksum to figure out?
14:09:34B4gderI don't know
14:09:54linuxstbTime to modify a string and see what happens...
14:09:56B4gderthis is mostly MrH's research I'm posting here
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14:19:06webguest13so guys i must go now
14:19:11webguest13thx for the nice help
14:19:27webguest13we will see us soon i think ;) i have much more questions ^^ cya
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14:21:52XavierGrgood afternoon everyone!
14:21:58XavierGrI am going to the beach!!
14:22:29*petur stays inside next to the airco
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14:28:10pijuliushi everyone, still tried to split up the bmp, but still getting the same error, I think there is no room for a bigger bootloader, isn't there?
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14:29:47midkaypijulius, there's an error?
14:30:37linuxstbpijulius: It should work fine.... What exactly is the error?
14:30:47pijuliusmidkay, sorry, my mistake, no error, just frozes with the apple logo, the backlight isn't turned on either
14:31:55pijuliusif the bootloader.bin gets bigger than 120,000 bytes, it won't boot, otherwise it works great
14:32:37pijulius120,000 (just a thought, because ~102k works, but ~157k not)
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14:33:27pijuliusme too :)
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14:33:40midkaywe are simply baffled.
14:35:13linuxstbpijulius: The bootloader has always been delicate for some unknown reason... Which version of gcc are you using?
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14:36:01pijuliuslinuxstb, 4.1.0 20060304 (Red Hat 4.1.0-3)
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14:41:31PaulJamHmm, is this bug worth to be reported on flyspray: if you exit the "View IO ports" screen by holding stop for a few seconds, the player just switches off as soon as you enter the wps. (on a h320 with a heavily patched build)
14:42:07pijuliuslinuxstb, I have a cygwin on my winbox with gcc 3.4.4, worth a try? what do you think?
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14:42:47Bg3rPaulJam and on unpatched build ?
14:43:54PaulJami haven't tried yet, but i can do.
14:44:46linuxstbPaulJam: IMO forget about it - the debug screens are excempt from bug reports...
14:46:07PaulJamok, but i'll still try with an unpatched build and report here.
14:49:24PaulJamBg3r: happens with a clean build and default settings too.
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14:54:02amiconnPaulJam: That's in fact expected. The SYS_SHOUTDOWN event is waiting in the queue for the next event loop to process it
14:54:27amiconnHolding Stop for a few seconds is suppose dto shutdown the player
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14:54:52peturshoutdown ;)
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14:57:17Genre9mp3Sorry for this maybe strange question, but I was wondering, would it be possible to make the equalizer work with line-in recording?
14:57:18PaulJamamiconn: i was just a little but surprised, that it shut down without spinning the hd and with no splash screen
14:59:11Genre9mp3For example, in a Rock concert where the bass is very loud, it would be very handy if we could adjust the lower frequencies..
14:59:27linuxstbWouldn't that be better done offline after you've recorded it?
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14:59:52peturyou want to do that before it enters the line-in
15:00:04Genre9mp3Sure, but I was just wondering, if this is possible..
15:00:20Genre9mp3I mean, if it requires some special hardware to be done
15:00:47linuxstbIn theory, yes - Rockbox could do anything to the audio before writing it to disk (subject to CPU power).
15:01:28Genre9mp3So, in theory, this would require as much as CPU the equalizer in playback, requires?
15:01:51peturthe problem is that bass mostly gives a hot signal, causing the rest to be recorded less because the bass limits the gain you can set on the line-in
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15:02:52Genre9mp3petur: by equalizing the bass the recording should result more balanced, though
15:03:26peturhowever if you want it applied to the monitor signal too it will need some more work
15:04:03Genre9mp3Yes, I understand...
15:04:39Genre9mp3Also, this would be cool with a DSP effect or something (eg. Delay)
15:05:13peturnow it already passes through the coldfire but just routed by the cpu afaik (looks at amiconn and preglow)
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15:08:14linuxstbI would guess that the monitoring is just inside the uda1380. i..e the coldfire isn't sending the data back to the DAC.
15:08:26peturthat was changed
15:08:35linuxstbFor SP/DIF?
15:09:12peturit's now also routed through the coldfire for analog in
15:10:34pijuliuslinuxstb, I just finished building a bootloader.bin on my winbox too with cygwin but I get the same result, I'm out of ideas at the momen
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15:26:30linuxstbpijulius: Sorry, I had enough similar madness when I was working on the bootloader originally. I don't want to go back there just for a logo...
15:27:50pijuliuslinuxstb, np, I know the feeling :) anyway, it's better this way because I will do a littler logo but I will make a status bar wich will show how rockbox boots up, and when finished a bigger logo will show up, at least this is my plan
15:37:06linuxstbHave fun :)
15:37:40pijuliusthanks, I do :)
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15:53:16amiconnPaulJam: If you trigger sutdown in an event loop that ignores the SYS_SHUTDOWN event, the button driver will shutdown the unit "by force" after 8 seconds.
15:53:33amiconnI think this is what you observed. The debug menu is, well a debug menu
15:55:29amiconnlinuxstb, petur: The recording monitor runs through the coldfire, but only looped through the audio interface, i.e. the cpu core doesn't see the data
15:56:02amiconnThe UDA has no tone control for the recording signal to be applied before the ADC
15:56:12peturhmmm what I thought...
15:56:35amiconnAttenuating the bass for recording would mean to attenuate _everything_, then boost non-bass frequencies
15:56:44amiconnKinda eq for recording.
15:57:27amiconnApplying it after recording is most probably way better than that
15:57:44peturwas my point: bass heavy input results in the rest of the signal being low - unless you filter before it enters the ADC
15:58:02amiconnYes, and that's not possible (without extra hardware)
15:58:14*petur has ordered it ;)
15:58:29amiconnYou can put a high pass filter between the mic and the iriver input
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16:17:43Genre9mp3amiconn: So, you think that eq for recording would be pointless? Wouldn't help at all?
16:19:26peturI find being able to record unboosted much more important
16:20:23Genre9mp3petur: You mean, the CPU, right?
16:20:32peturyes sorry ;)
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16:21:38amiconnGenre9mp3: It would eat more cpu power (== battery), dropped samples would become more likely, and the quality would be lower than applying the correction while post processing
16:21:48Genre9mp3Well, yes, you are right... All I am saying though, is a recording eq to use for "special" occasions
16:22:16petura separate effect box plugin would be better
16:22:18FebsGenre9mp3: what purpose would a recording EQ serve?
16:22:35Genre9mp3aniconn: ok, these are enough reasons for me! :)
16:22:56peturaudacity does the processing in 32bit
16:23:15Genre9mp3Febs: I was saying about equalize the lower frequencies when you record on loud events (eg. Rock concerts)
16:23:40amiconnpetur: Yes, and its filters are probably higher quality than a realtime filter on a 100MHz cpu can be
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16:56:37lowlightamiconn: are you familiar with viewer.c?
16:57:55dongsspeaking of viewer the other day i pirated some mp3s and i was surprised to see rockbox load some jpegs that were in the same dir as mp3s
16:58:00dongsand it actually looked pretty good
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17:24:59Jeffrkare there any qualified individuals to help me with a problem?
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17:26:15PaulJamhard to tell, if you don't say what your problem is
17:26:25drippydonutI'm not qualified, but I can see if I can be of help ;)
17:26:50Jeffrkwell it's quite simple actually
17:27:03Jeffrkim trying to figure out how to put backdrop photos onto my ipod
17:27:36Jeffrki used the resolution 160 x 128? i think that's what the photo is
17:27:46Jeffrkand also 24-bit bmp
17:27:56Jeffrkbut it keeps saying backdrop failed
17:27:56PaulJamthe photo is 176x220
17:28:04Jeffrkis it now
17:28:54Jeffrkare you sure?
17:29:03Jeffrkwouldn't that make it higher than it is wider?
17:29:07PaulJamcorection: 220x176
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17:29:16Jeffrkexcellent thank
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19:30:24pijuliushi guys, I would like to thank you again for all your work! I'm so proud of rockbox that you can't imagine! Love you guys! Never give up!, ok? :)
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19:58:15sharpearrr... i be awake.
19:59:28FebsHmmm. Is ReplayGain functioning on iPod platforms?
20:00:22Niliscooh, whoops, nevermind
20:00:30Niliscowrong channel. =)
20:03:52*Febs answers his own question.
20:04:07FebsReplayGain is working on iPod.
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20:05:51NiliscoHow are the ipod rockbox builds working? I'm interested in buying a video, but I haven't really read any reviews of the rockbox build yet
20:06:01NiliscoI used it on a archos back in the day and loved it though
20:06:34FebsSome quirks, but Rockbox is generally very functional on my iPod video.
20:07:10NiliscoDoes album art work?
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20:07:48FebsYes, although you need to use one of the unofficial builds that contains patches not (yet) incorporated into the official code.
20:08:01NiliscoAh, but it'll be officially supported eventually?
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20:08:28FebsIf someone implements it properly, yes. There were some issues with the existing implementation which is why it did not get into the official builds
20:09:05NiliscoGood to hear. Now I just need to decide if I want a macbook to go along with the ipod
20:09:26FebsWe're in a feature freeze right now to iron out bugs for the 3.0 release. Once that freeze ends, I have no doubt that someone will implement album art. It seems to be a very popular feature.
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20:11:23FebsAmiconn doesn't like album art. ;)
20:12:20FebsActually, I personally don't bother with it either, but I can understand why others like it.
20:13:44amiconnI mean, I have nothing *against* album art if it's implemented properly,
20:13:55amiconnbut I don't get why it's so popular
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20:14:20FebsA generation that grew up on gui interfaces with lots of bells and whistles?
20:14:42Niliscono, just another OCD impulse to catalog my collection perfectly
20:15:15amiconnI grew up with gui interfaces
20:15:25FebsSo much for that theory.
20:15:30amiconnNah, almost, more or less
20:15:38amiconnMy first comp was a ZX Spectrum
20:15:38FebsI think that my first computer had PC-DOS 1.0.
20:15:51amiconn..but the second one was an Amiga 500
20:16:03NiliscoApple 2e here
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20:31:29Bagderfor Samsung yh-920
20:31:34Bagdera 51MB file
20:31:47Bagder48 of them are "free" music included
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21:42:10lamedhello everyone.
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21:42:48lamedbagder: around?
21:43:07muesli__germany gooooooooo :)
21:43:14muesli__sorry mates :)))
21:43:31dionoeafrance goooooooooooooo !!!!
21:43:36dionoeabresil go home !
21:44:08lamedno soccer please.
21:44:09muesli__lets c dionoea ;9
21:44:21dionoealamed: i hate soccer too :)
21:44:37muesli__GALS :D
21:45:30dionoeai just don't like sitting in front of the TV for two hours watching 22 people kicking a ball ... not really interesting
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21:46:42muesli__u didnt get the spirit
21:46:46muesli__thats all :)
21:46:47dionoeai guess so :p
21:46:57muesli__its about passion and havin beer!!
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21:48:12lamedOk: this one goes to all of you DEVs, that are watching the game through their ipods or whatever you're doing... I'd just like to get some respond over my hebrew translation update, wanting to know whether it is acceptable before v.3.0, because I really believe this is one of thous things that can't be left out, a language support that is. I'd be happy for some attention at
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21:51:28lamedbtw, I actually don't like soccer, I don't drink, smoke, and I don't like coffee. some people call me insane for that.
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21:52:07muesli__lamed no...ur just boring :DDD
21:52:20muesli__sorry..just kiddin..
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21:54:25lamedI kiteboard, I play roller-hockey (no ice in Israel), I race karts, I fly model airplanes, I play the guitar and drums, and he's just quit.
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21:57:38preglowamiconn: most eq filters are exactly equal to what rockbox uses
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23:39:42amiconnpetur: "Empty body in an if statement"
23:39:48amiconn2x, for H120 sim
23:41:13*petur checks
23:42:33amiconnIt's somewhat annoying that these gcc 4.1 warnings make real warnings less obvious in the build table :/
23:43:55peturaahhhh cpu_boost is a define for sims :/
23:44:13peturrather than an empty stub
23:45:47amiconnI'm not sure what to do about these gcc 4.1 warnings. We already supress a lot of gcc 4.x warnings :/
23:47:12amiconnEver tried building with gcc 4.x (sh1, arm, or sim) with -Wno-pointer-sign ?
23:47:18amiconn..removed, I mean
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23:49:02obodoes that mask the "comparison between signed and unsigned" message?
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23:53:01amiconn"warning: pointer targets in assignment differ in signedness"+
23:53:18amiconn"pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'iso_decode' differ in signedness"
23:53:31amiconna sh**load of these :/
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23:57:01peturamiconn: regarding remote support: I see current code uses remote button defines, and Mmmm is submitting patches that add an additional define layer in settings.h for code that also uses button defines of settings. It's an easy solution but I feel the original code should not be using the settings defines - or am I wrong? Maybe we need more global defines for BUTTON_INC / BUTTON_DEC / ... ?

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