#rockbox 2006-06-30

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#rockbox log for 2006-06-30

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00:25:27	petur	this bug report is not really a bug - close it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5604
00:25:59	sharpe	i vote close! :D
00:26:09	linuxstb	I haven't read it and I vote close.
00:26:17	petur	hahaha
00:26:41	linuxstb	There are very few bug reports any more...
00:26:48	sharpe	it's a sign.
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00:27:07	linuxstb	I assume that's a feature on the H340? i.e. you can't power-off when charging?
00:27:36	petur	the charging circuit needs supervision, right?
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00:28:14	petur	won't it boot up immediately when you try to shut down?
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00:28:45	linuxstb	Probably - the ipod does the same thing, and it's got a similar power management chip to the pcf50606
00:29:53	sharpe	and i was told i was wrong in the forums.
00:29:57	linuxstb	The HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING define isn't defined for the H300 (it is defined for the h1x0 and X5)
00:30:21	sharpe	er; accused would be more like it.
00:30:30	petur	should we try it? ;)
00:30:44	linuxstb	I don't own a h3x0...
00:31:01		Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net)
00:31:02	linuxstb	You could suggest it to the bug reporter.
00:31:03	petur	ok... shall I try it ;)
00:31:04	sharpe	midkay!
00:31:05	linuxstb	:)
00:31:18	midkay	sharpie!! linuxstb! petur!
00:31:36	*	scorche coughs
00:33:17	midkay	scorche!
00:33:36	midkay	i've always wondered how that's pronounced.
00:33:39	sharpe	two minutes
00:33:42	midkay	scorchie? score-hey?
00:33:57	scorche	meh...i dont really care =)
00:34:01	wehn	On the H300 stock fw, shutting down takes you to the full screen "Charging..." battery icon. It won't power off either.
00:34:02	sharpe	i think scorch with a silent e.
00:34:09	midkay	:o:E:\:[:<:p:D
00:34:16	scorche	people tend to go with either scorchie or scorch
00:34:30	midkay	scorchie. i like that.
00:34:48		Nick scorche is now known as midkee (n=scorche@208-110-158-188.customer.csolutions.net)
00:34:54	midkee	=D
00:35:07	wehn	...But pulling the powercord under that situation shuts it down.
00:35:13	sharpe	i sense trademark infringement...
00:35:24	midkee	i saw no notice
00:35:33	sharpe	it's an implied notice
00:36:30	linuxstb	wehn: That's pretty conclusive in favour of Rockbox doing the right thing by not powering down then...
00:36:40	wehn	I agree. :)
00:36:48	midkay	HEY.
00:37:12	sharpe	see? he's obviously angry about it scorche.
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00:37:28	midkay	hey. hey. not cool.
00:37:50	*	midkee whistles
00:38:05	midkay	i'll have to cast some magic on you.
00:38:16	midkee	muahaha...now when people have to reference you, they have to type 5 letters!
00:38:33	midkay	bippity boppity abra cadabra!!!
00:38:53	midkay	well, that didn't even do anything.
00:39:00	midkay	so i'll just say, put the nick back pls. :(
00:39:21	*	midkee gives midkay a cupcake that he made last night
00:39:29		Nick midkee is now known as scorche (n=scorche@208-110-158-188.customer.csolutions.net)
00:39:30	midkay	hey. where's the cream filling.
00:39:32	midkay	:D
00:39:34	sharpe	just made a single cupcake?
00:39:40	sharpe	who makes a single cupcake?!
00:39:44	midkay	haha.
00:39:50	scorche	i made like30...
00:39:58	sharpe	you only mentioned one
00:40:08	scorche	i only gave him one
00:40:09	*	petur wonders what a cupcake is
00:40:24	sharpe	a cake made in a cup!
00:40:35	petur	where are you from?
00:40:47	scorche	mmmmmmmmmm
00:41:27	petur	us?
00:41:38	scorche	aye
00:42:07		Quit ender` (" Japan actually has a fair amount of land, it's just that about 1/3 of the population seems to want to live in the same 13,00)
00:42:18	scorche	these are goood
00:42:24	sharpe	ew...
00:42:30	petur	hard to believe... I'd think americans would have bucketcakes not cupcakes, as they supersize everything
00:42:51	sharpe	<insert drum rimshot>
00:42:57	scorche	cupcakes are a classic...
00:43:29	sharpe	and that's stereotyping petur...
00:43:57	tucoz	is cupcake and muffin the same thing?
00:44:04	scorche	nope
00:44:12	tucoz	similar?
00:44:12	petur	the us is the only place I've ever seen butter sold in 12L buckets
00:44:23	scorche	in size maybe
00:44:23	sharpe	similar...
00:44:41	scorche	cupcakes use cake batter\
00:44:51	sharpe	... way to go scorche...
00:45:08	scorche	so more similar to miniature cakes baked in paper cups in special tins
00:45:09	scorche	=D
00:45:20	tucoz	:)
00:45:31	sharpe	petur: they're trying to economize... heheh...
00:46:03	sharpe	er, the people buying the twelve liter buckets...
00:46:17	sharpe	i've never seen one.
00:46:28	scorche	i have
00:46:39	*	scorche shops at costco
00:46:47	sharpe	i have the urge to find a store that sells them, and build a castle.
00:47:00	petur	well... just as I expected: powering down the h3x0 with AC power available just boots it back up (in retailos :( )
00:48:23	sharpe	hmm... i was at costco once, but i do not recall 12L buckets of butter...
00:49:37	scorche	i need to get my local costco to start carrying bagel dogs
00:49:41	scorche	<3
00:49:46	sharpe	bagel dogs?
00:50:06	scorche	hot dogs in a bagel like bread
00:50:15	tucoz	how convenient
00:50:16	*	scorche slaps sharpe
00:50:23	scorche	they are tasty
00:50:26	scorche	and easy to make
00:50:32	scorche	(1 min in microwave)
00:50:47	sharpe	so like...
00:50:55	sharpe	wow.
00:50:57	sharpe	amazing.
00:51:06	sharpe	the combination of bread and processed meat. woo!
00:51:16	scorche	hey now..
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00:51:23	scorche	i only eat kosher hot dogs
00:51:28	scorche	all others are gross...
00:51:33	sharpe	you have to admit, the combination does work well for many things
00:51:54	*	petur prefers healthy meals
00:52:31	tucoz	I suppose it is possible to find 12 l buckets of butter in other parts of the world, as long as you go to a wholesale(er?)
00:53:23	petur	I've only seen them once in a supermarket near Seattle
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00:54:19	tucoz	I wonder how many years I would spend to consume that amount of butter
00:54:34	tucoz	(under normal circumstances)
00:54:37	sharpe	you never would
00:54:40	tucoz	hehe
00:54:42	sharpe	it'd kill you.
00:55:10	tucoz	probably
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00:55:36	sharpe	12 liters is ~812 tablespoons...
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00:56:25	scorche	well...i seriously doubt that those buckets are meant for consumers
00:56:32	sharpe	yeh...
00:56:42	tucoz	probably not
00:56:44	sharpe	but still... :)
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00:58:52	sharpe	12 liters of butter is like... 9384 grams of fat...
00:59:54	sharpe	unsalted, of course...
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01:00:30	*	linuxstb is surprised to find himself in #nutrition
01:01:26	preglow	hahahaha
01:01:32	preglow	DON'T EAT LARD
01:02:01	linuxstb	Ah lard - proper fat.
01:02:21	*	scorche runs upstairs to bring down another 5 cupcakes for consumption
01:02:45	preglow	the fat for kings, yes
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01:05:43	preglow	i don't have anything unhealthy nearby right now, and it's annoying me
01:06:17	sharpe	hmm... i now have delicious pizza.
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01:06:35	*	scorche offers preglow one of his delicious cupcakes
01:06:48	preglow	i don't do online food
01:07:02	sharpe	ordering groceries online?
01:07:03	scorche	/dcc preglow delicious cupcake
01:07:04	preglow	it's the mosst unhealthy food of all
01:08:12	sharpe	scorche: preglow just called your cupcakes unhealthy.
01:08:25	scorche	so?
01:08:36	scorche	cupcakes arentsupposed to behealthy
01:08:41	scorche	they are supposed to be tasty
01:08:44	sharpe	your cupcakes got served.
01:08:46	scorche	which mine are
01:08:47	preglow	wholemeal cupcakes
01:08:52	scorche	ew.
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01:21:01	t0mas	hi
01:21:07	t0mas	how stable is the last daily?
01:21:25	t0mas	I still have an old build from before the reworking of the playback code
01:21:32	t0mas	wise to upgrade? :)
01:21:42	preglow	it's stable enough, they say
01:21:50	sharpe	yes... they do say that...
01:25:30	linuxstb	t0mas: You can always keep a backup of your current install... But it seems good to me.
01:25:45	t0mas	yeah, I've just copied to backup to my PDA
01:25:54	t0mas	so as long as USB mode works I can just copy it back :)
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01:27:44	t0mas	I do have 1 problem harder to solve :)
01:27:53	t0mas	my music collection has outgrown my Iriver :)
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01:43:01	dongs	god damn
01:43:15	dongs	okay who can I yell at for making 'clear settings' shit to enable while powering up and hold is on
01:43:32	dongs	what the fuck couldnt you find a less obvious combo
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01:43:52	dongs	typical operation - i plug my ipod into cable while its off, hold is on, it powers on, clears settings, and changes to usb mode.
01:43:55	dongs	wtf.
01:43:59	dongs	lol.
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01:44:41	sharpe	dongs... just don't have hold on while you boot your ipod... it's not too hard to check, is it? :)
01:44:48	dongs	uh
01:44:57	dongs	it is actually, and why should I worry if its on hold or no
01:45:02	dongs	i'm just plugging it in to charge/copy stuff
01:45:37	Genre9mp3	dongs: I would complain to Apple for not making the iPod with a proper button-set...
01:45:42	dongs	uh?
01:45:44	sharpe	indeed.
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01:47:53	dongs	so, how hard would it be to move 'clear settings' away from 'hold' button or beter yet not even add it at all
01:48:57	sharpe	because then people would (by some cosmical phenomenon) end up having their background-foreground colors set the same more often, requiring it to be put back in.
01:49:09	sharpe	why don't you just have a settings file?
01:49:18	dongs	i do
01:49:31	sharpe	how is it that big of a deal then?
01:49:44	dongs	its fucking annoying trying to load it while trying to drive and look at the default 4x4 pixel font while navigating user unfriendly menus
01:49:55	sharpe	it's 6x5...
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01:50:16	sharpe	;)
01:50:55	Genre9mp3	It's a vision challenge, you just have to get into the spirit! :)
01:52:15	sharpe	er, 5x7. i was thinking of another font, i believe.
01:52:54	t0mas	preglow? have you worked on the replaygain part?
01:53:21	t0mas	foobar2000 reports replaygain tags for a file (track only, no album), but rockbox doesn't
01:53:38	t0mas	it reports <No Info> in the id3 options
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01:58:42	preglow	t0mas: i've only worked on adapting it to work on musepack files
01:59:07	t0mas	ah ok
01:59:44	sharpe	okay. it's 6x8. finally correct.
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02:03:57	juxtap	hey
02:04:38	juxtap	anyone know how i can charge my ipod if my battery is completely flat? (directly into plug port)
02:04:42	linuxstb	t0mas: What kind of files do you have, and what tags (id3 or APE) is foobar using?
02:04:52	t0mas	tags are APE
02:04:59	t0mas	so I guess that's the problem?
02:05:02	t0mas	(and filetype is mp3)
02:05:09	linuxstb	Then yes, that's the problem.
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02:05:43	t0mas	easy methode of conversion on windows?
02:06:46	linuxstb	juxtap: Just plug it in - it will eventially come back to life. But keep an eye on it, and when it comes back to life, force it into disk mode to charge (to avoid the Rockbox -> Disk mode -> Rockbox reboot cycle).
02:07:58	sharpe	hmm. the most my ipod boots back into rockbox from a dead battery is around... twice... haven't seen it reboot anymore... of course, this is with usb, and not firewire/ac chargers...
02:09:08	linuxstb	Yes, if you connect to a computer, it will stay in disk mode. I was talking about a USB ac charger...
02:09:53	sharpe	yeah, i know...
02:09:54	juxtap	i got a usb ac charger
02:10:01	juxtap	i can't avoid the reboot cycle even after managing to get into disk mode
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02:10:23	juxtap	guess i'll keep fiddling
02:10:24	sharpe	sure you're forcing it into diskmode, and not letting rockbox do it?
02:11:01	linuxstb	Once Rockbox starts, unplug the charger. Then hold MENU (with Rockbox running) and insert the charger again. That should charge without rebooting.
02:11:18	juxtap	by disk mode i assume you mean holding 'menu' so it charges properly?
02:11:47	sharpe	forced disk mode is, right after the ipod begins booting, hold select and play.
02:12:24	juxtap	"with rockbox running" −− i can't run anything with a flat bat.
02:12:46	linuxstb	You will be able to after a short while charging.
02:13:18	linuxstb	You could also try holding MENU+SELECT to reset the ipod (with the charger inserted).
02:13:22	juxtap	cool
02:13:26	juxtap	yeah i saw, but then it repeats that reboot cycle
02:13:35	juxtap	maybe i'll just charge it for longer beforehand
02:13:44	juxtap	so the reboot cycle doesn't damage anything?
02:14:09	sharpe	long-term it can...
02:14:12	linuxstb	It shouldn't do, but it's not a good idea to leave it rebooting constantly.
02:14:34	sharpe	er, probably could.
02:14:42	linuxstb	As soon as you see it rebooting, holding SELECT+PLAY should force it into disk mode - you can then leave it charging.
02:14:56	linuxstb	sharpe: We need a volunteer to test it....
02:15:02	sharpe	linuxstb: ...
02:15:05	juxtap	lol
02:15:08	sharpe	i know. lets get scorche to.
02:15:15	scorche	eh?
02:15:28	scorche	i dont own an ipod...
02:15:36	sharpe	buy one and find out...
02:15:44	scorche	give me money
02:15:53	sharpe	find a bank?
02:16:40	sharpe	linuxstb: i couldn't test it anyway... i've not an ac charger...
02:17:06	linuxstb	That just leaves me then...
02:17:23	sharpe	warranty? :)
02:17:45	linuxstb	Yep. I would need to remove Rockbox before I started the test though...
02:17:51	sharpe	indeed.
02:17:53	linuxstb	Err.
02:18:17	*	linuxstb gives up and goes to bed.
02:18:20	linuxstb	goodnight.
02:18:25	sharpe	'night
02:18:34	juxtap	ta linuxstb, later
02:18:58	sharpe	my cue to go play games and enjoy life.
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02:43:19	dongs	speaking of features
02:43:25	dongs	how hard woudl it be to support loading cue files
02:43:28	dongs	for like 600meg mp3s
02:43:32	dongs	that are split into chapters
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02:44:30	scorche	dongs: discussion about cue is here
02:44:31	scorche	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2817.0
02:47:24	dongs	interesting.
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02:47:27	dongs	lots of talk and no solution
02:47:29	dongs	typical :P
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02:48:36	scorche	dongs: i was nice enough to give you a link concerning what you asked...returning the favor with silence would be nice =P
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04:11:55	JdGordon	dongs: cue is gonna be a PITA to support, but im trying to get it working
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04:47:20	[TCK]	anyone here?
04:47:29	JdGordon	no!
04:47:33	[TCK]	!!!
04:47:46	[TCK]	I think my H100 is fubared
04:48:15	[TCK]	not sure if you're familiar with the good old ATA error: -11, but instead of -11 I've got -1
04:48:16	sharpe	oooooh.
04:48:30	[TCK]	I'm guessing it's the same thing more or less
04:48:41	JdGordon	nup.. 10 errors between them
04:48:42	sharpe	and it's the ata error, correct?
04:48:50	[TCK]	yes
04:48:56	sharpe	absolutely sure?
04:49:00	[TCK]	yes
04:49:01	sharpe	positively?
04:49:04	DBUG	Enqueued KICK [TCK]
04:49:04	[TCK]	yes
04:49:15	[TCK]	iRiver firmware gives Check HDD Connection
04:49:26	sharpe	okay then
04:49:45	[TCK]	doesn't appear on my PC when I connect either
04:50:47	sharpe	maybe there is a cable loose somewhere.
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04:51:41	[TCK]	inside you mean?
04:51:56	sharpe	yes.
04:52:02	[TCK]	oh fun :)
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04:52:26	[TCK]	haven't seen the insides of my player in the two and a half years I've had it
04:52:38	[TCK]	next issue, finding Torx screwdriver
04:52:40	[TCK]	thanks mate
04:53:01	sharpe	heh, i've not a iriver player; it's the best i can do.
04:53:08	[TCK]	hehe
04:53:24	[TCK]	though
04:53:29	[TCK]	quick question
04:53:34	[TCK]	as it is I can't turn the player off
04:53:43	[TCK]	should I wait until the battery runs out?
04:54:07	sharpe	to like, open it?
04:54:27	[TCK]	yeah
04:54:37	[TCK]	or would it be okay to open it anyway?
04:55:11	sharpe	well, it'd be okay to open it; but with the risk of shorting something, you may want to wait, or disconnect the battery/batteries...
04:56:59	[TCK]	I'll wait out then
04:57:04	[TCK]	thanks again :)
04:57:17	sharpe	welcome
04:57:24	sharpe	ah, i may know what the -1 is...
04:59:46	sharpe	oh well, best advice i can offer is to open it and check to make sure all the connections are there...
04:59:54	sharpe	and connected
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05:03:51	wehn	TCK: press the reset button to turn off if there is no other way - it does a "hard" off
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05:21:41	[TCK]	wehn: pressing the reset button simply reboots it
05:21:50	[TCK]	might be because of my bootloader version
05:22:03	[TCK]	either way, I solved that problem using the hold button :E
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05:27:11	toxicfume	hi all
05:28:06	toxicfume	ipod's new firmware is out, and i need to install it, but i already have rockbox installed. I assume if i install the new ipod firmware, it will overwrite my rockbox firmware right? So how do i go about doing it so that my rockbox is still installed?
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05:30:58	Mikachu	why do you need to install it?
05:31:36	toxicfume	uhmmm, for some reason..
05:31:52	toxicfume	but that's not my question :P
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05:36:48	kerb	toxicfume: extract the apple firmware, install the bootloader. as in the installation instructions
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06:20:27	toxicfume	i dont get it, in rockbox (ipod 5g), when i'm in the while playing screen, how do i get back to the file browser view without letting the music stop playing?
06:22:19	midkay	'select'.
06:22:33	midkay	center button.
06:24:04	toxicfume	ah yes, thank midkay :)
06:24:12	midkay	np. you might find the manual useful. :)
06:24:46	toxicfume	way too many options to remember
06:25:26	EbErT	heh, that's what i felt like at the beginning
06:25:29	EbErT	you'll get used to it
06:25:34	EbErT	more=better
06:25:59	EbErT	midkay: can i oblige you to look at a song file that tagcache has a problem with?
06:26:38	midkay	toxicfume, haha. nah. :)
06:26:44	midkay	EbErT, hm, sure..
06:26:56	toxicfume	hehe EbErT, i hope so
06:27:03	EbErT	i just wanna slowly figure out how to make it work for me
06:27:29	toxicfume	well until rockbox finally optimzes itself with the battery power, i can't move away from the apple firmware
06:28:42	EbErT	sending it, its a crap song, but i wondered why nothing likes the tags it has
06:29:23	midkay	hm..
06:29:38	midkay	have you looked at the tags and made sure they're ok? no weird characters or anything..
06:30:29	EbErT	nope
06:30:35	EbErT	version 2.3 id3tag
06:31:02	EbErT	this is one of a few i got of streaming radio, autotagged by the downloading program
06:31:22	EbErT	they all don't seem to be like by anything but itunes
06:32:15	midkay	ah.
06:32:19	midkay	weird..
06:34:00	EbErT	there are other ones that it cant handle too
06:34:07	EbErT	just a big mess..
06:34:20	midkay	weirdish.
06:34:42	EbErT	someone was supposedly working on making it skip ones it can't handle
06:34:59	EbErT	and/or write a text file containing a list of ones it had problems with
06:35:13	EbErT	that would really be a great feature
06:36:09	EbErT	does it matter that they are all in 1 folder? for tagcacheing i mean
06:36:10	midkay	what does it do currently?
06:36:18	midkay	no, doesn't matter.
06:36:55	EbErT	currently it freezes the whole screen part way through, and i can hear the harddrive humming at a constant speed
06:36:58	EbErT	not reading anything
06:37:06	midkay	so rockbox locks up? hm.
06:37:17	EbErT	yep
06:40:27	toxicfume	I installed a theme (wps), but it doesn't appear in the rockbox firmware when i start it up :S what do i do?
06:40:37	midkay	are you browsing themes?
06:40:41	midkay	is it installed to the right place?
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06:41:12	toxicfume	yes i'm browsing themes, not via file browser
06:41:25	EbErT	could just be a .wps then
06:41:37	midkay	well, it must be in the wrong place, or yeah, possibly just a .wps..
06:41:53	EbErT	look in general settings/ display/wps
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06:42:04	*	EbErT thinks that's the place
06:43:00	midkay	yeah.
06:43:04	toxicfume	let me have a look at the folders again..
06:43:16	toxicfume	ah i get it!
06:44:13	toxicfume	wait maybe not, lol
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06:44:56	toxicfume	well i downloaded the theme and it had a few files in 3 folders, wps, backdrops and fonts, and i extracted them into the corresponding folders into the ipod
06:45:04	toxicfume	under the .rockbox folder ofcourse
06:47:37	midkay	yes, that's right.
06:47:54	midkay	make sure you're extracting with full paths.. not just every file in every subdir into /.rockbox/.
06:49:47	toxicfume	yes that's what I did
06:50:04	toxicfume	so this is just a wps right? that means this thing only appears in the while playing screen, right?
06:51:39	toxicfume	so many things are incosistent. eventhough i installed the fonts that came with the theme, the fonts dont load up, and even if i manually load the fonts, the colour of the font is white, and not green like it should be in the screenshot
06:52:32	toxicfume	somethign must be wrong?
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07:14:32	toxicfume	midkay, ?
07:16:51	midkay	toxicfume, ?
07:17:15	midkay	are you safely disconnecting? if the files aren't appearing there...
07:17:39	midkay	you should just be able to load the theme. simple as that.. if you can't, something is not right.
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07:26:45	*	B4gder is gonna be a whole lot less present daytime here for the next 4 weeks
07:26:59	B4gder	vacation days are here
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07:28:06	JdGordon	lucky B4gder
07:28:27	toxicfume	midkay, sorry, there is no theme actually, i think it's just a wps file
07:29:14	midkay	weird+unusual+not good, but then the wps goes in /.rockbox/wps.
07:29:15	toxicfume	but once i play a song, the wps screen doesn't appear as it should, fonts dont load
07:29:20	midkay	brb.
07:29:26	toxicfume	yes the wps is in that folder
07:29:28	toxicfume	ok
07:29:29	midkay	fonts "don't load"?
07:29:39	midkay	brb.
07:30:30	midkay	back.
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07:33:21	toxicfume	hmm okay
07:33:32	toxicfume	let me explain step by step cause i'm not too good at this :P
07:33:40	wehn_	re- fonts: I noticed the other day that fonts are no longer bundled with the daily builds...
07:33:55	toxicfume	midkay, i downloaded this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Retro_Sci_Fi_Terminal_Green
07:33:59	wehn_	I had just been unzipping over old installs for a while so hadn't noticed
07:34:21	toxicfume	and then i extracted the folders rincluded with that zip under the ipod:/.rockbox/ folder
07:34:23	midkay	wehn_, fonts have been seperate for.. gah.. probably two months now. :)
07:34:43	toxicfume	*included
07:35:28	toxicfume	midkay, then I reset the ipod, get back into rockbox, and then i start the .wps under general settings/ display/wps
07:35:49	midkay	then load the font.
07:36:09	midkay	browse fonts under display or LCD settings.. and in the package, it's MarsPolice-14.
07:36:40	toxicfume	i have load the font too? but that would mean the fonts of the entire rockbox UI will be MarsPolice-14 right? not just the WPS?
07:37:00	midkay	right, there is no support currently for seperate ui/wps fonts.
07:37:03	midkay	font is global.
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07:38:28	toxicfume	aw damn, cause those fonts are annoying to read in the normal screens
07:38:34	toxicfume	they only look good in the wps :P
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07:38:48	midkay	if they ever look good, i'm completely lost as to when. :)
07:39:02	toxicfume	that's your opinion :P
07:39:04	midkay	looks pretty ugly to me.. pixelated and misshapen and.. weird. :)
07:39:12	midkay	sure it is.
07:39:44	toxicfume	midkay, one more thing
07:40:00	toxicfume	in the screen the font appears green colour, do i have to change to? because when i just load the fonts, it's white
07:40:28	midkay	yes, you must change it.
07:40:38	toxicfume	damn
07:40:53	toxicfume	i thought this is all automtic (as in it's all specified in the .wps files)
07:41:25	midkay	no, only in the theme files is where it goes.
07:41:31	midkay	but this guy wasn't nice enough to create one..
07:41:35	midkay	:)
07:42:41	JdGordon	hey midkay, hows your fireworks demo going?
07:43:09	midkay	JdGordon, haven't done any work very recently.. not very into coding right now.
07:43:23	JdGordon	ha ok
07:49:22	B4gder	the joy of spam cleaning in the morning
07:49:40	midkay	indeed.
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07:52:25	B4gder	originating from Ukraine
07:53:17	amiconn	Meh. What's wrong with the build system?
07:53:44	amiconn	My first commit compiled, but doesn't show up on the frontpage. The second commit doesn't start building...
07:54:25	B4gder	both are on the front page now at least
07:55:08	amiconn	Yes, but the second one still didn't build
07:55:13	B4gder	no
07:55:19	B4gder	but I don't see why
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08:00:50	B4gder	hm, now it started...
08:01:37	midkay	similar's happened to me before.. sometimes there's a considerable delay before builds start, seemingly particularly after one immediately previous.
08:01:53	B4gder	right now the server is under a huge load as well
08:02:19	B4gder	load average: 13.15, 10.53, 9.36
08:02:38	midkay	13.15, 10.53, 9.36 what?
08:02:38	midkay	:)
08:03:09	B4gder	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_average
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08:06:27	webguest13	hi ho
08:06:39	webguest13	some one understand german here ?
08:07:51	webguest13	i have a very big problem ... with my H430 ;/
08:08:21	midkay	can you speak english well enough to explain it? or use a translator..
08:08:31	webguest13	i try it ;D
08:12:30	webguest13	my problem: i think i have an US iRiver H340 . he had the 1.25 E Firmware (international) it wored very well so i have no problems. yeserday i read something about rockbox and i can believe it , damn nice :) so i downlaodedthe 1.30 EU Firmware (i live in germany so i thought that i could use a European Firmware, i dont know how different the firmwares are...) i flash the H340 With the 1.30 EU firmware + ROCK Box. an the firmwareflash the device tu
08:12:54	webguest13	i hope u guys understand my bad english ;D
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08:14:22	B4gder	webguest13: your phrase was cut off above
08:14:33	B4gder	it didn't reveal any problem
08:14:40	webguest13	??
08:14:53	webguest13	u cant read it , cause the line ended ?
08:15:08	B4gder	" an the firmwareflash the device tu"
08:15:18	B4gder	that's how the line ends
08:15:43	webguest13	an the firmwareflash the device turn off... now when i want to start it the screen shows me " Rockbox " and below he try to test the system, and at least the firmware.. then he turn off... what should i do?
08:16:04	webguest13	now u can ;)
08:16:10	webguest13	i dont use IRC very often ^^
08:16:17	B4gder	did you unzip the Rockbox build on the disk?
08:16:24	B4gder	do you have the batteries properly charged?
08:16:35	webguest13	äähm
08:16:43	webguest13	the battery was half full
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08:17:44	webguest13	and the rockbox is not on the player right now
08:18:04	webguest13	should i turn the rockbox on the HDD from the h340 ?
08:18:38	webguest13	i am sure the battery is not empty ;)
08:19:18	*	amiconn guesses that the bootloader detects rockbox is not present, and tries to start the original firmware
08:19:36	amiconn	...but the original firmware sees no ON button pressed, and powers off again
08:19:45	B4gder	yeah
08:19:46	amiconn	Nothing to worry about
08:19:57	webguest13	u mean i am save ?
08:20:04	webguest13	the device is not Dead ? ;D
08:20:11	webguest13	we can rescue him ;))?
08:20:26	amiconn	(1) Connect the iriver to the PC while it's powered off. It should power on and the rockbox bootloader should go straight into USB mode
08:20:38	amiconn	(2) Unzip rockbox onto it
08:21:06	amiconn	(3) Safely disconnect. Rockbox should boot now
08:21:58	webguest13	ok, one moment plz ;)
08:22:06	amiconn	You can also try to boot into the original firmware first:
08:22:52	amiconn	While powered off, press & hold Record. Then press and hold ON (while still holding Record). Continue holding ON until you see the original firmware start (a few seconds)
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08:30:00	webguest13	soo
08:30:29	webguest13	i am back ^^ i copied the .rockbox folder and the file into my root directory on the HDD of the H340
08:31:29	webguest13	it works
08:31:32	webguest13	YEAHAA ;D
08:31:36	webguest13	Thanks a LOT
08:31:44	webguest13	he live :))
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08:36:20	webguest13	i am so happy at the moment, one questen: it is normal , that rockbox is a little bit colorless ? or i dont have a Theme ?
08:36:33	B4gder	yes
08:36:50	B4gder	get a theme you like to enjoy more colors
08:37:03	webguest13	and where ;)
08:37:07	webguest13	what i have to do:) ^^
08:37:15	B4gder	http://rockbox-themes.org/
08:37:34	B4gder	webguest13: read the manual/docs
08:41:43	webguest13	ok , Thx B4gder :)
08:41:53	webguest13	thats nice support u guys here do ^^
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08:45:01	webguest13	can i watch my videos with rockbox , like with the old firmware?
08:45:17	webguest13	and if yes, can i add some more codecs ?
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08:59:39	scorche	no
08:59:48	scorche	to both =P
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09:04:36	webguest13	;/ hmm its only for Musik ? hmmm and how i can choose between ROCK Box and iRiver Firmware?
09:05:38	scorche	amiconn told you how to boot into the iriver firmware above
09:06:19	B4gder	"only" for music, yeah
09:06:34	B4gder	but feel free to change that
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09:20:41	webguest13	no rockbox rocks ;D
09:20:57	webguest13	5 seconds to start the player ^^ before rockbox 1 min ... ^^
09:21:13	webguest13	but can i make a boot menue ?
09:21:32	petur	why?
09:21:37	webguest13	to choose between the 2 firmwares?
09:21:52	webguest13	if i want to watch a film on the i river
09:21:57	petur	I'd hate that -> much slower
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09:22:15	petur	just hold rec while turning on
09:22:23	webguest13	i take the lame iriver firmware ;) and if i want to hear musik i choose rock box ^^
09:22:35	webguest13	ahh ok
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09:22:39	webguest13	thats what i mean ^^
09:22:42	Scorpius	hi
09:22:47	Scorpius	my iRiver hang
09:22:55	B4gder	congratulations
09:23:01	Scorpius	I04: IllInstr at 1000C000
09:23:07	Scorpius	how can I boot it again
09:23:09	B4gder	that's not a hang, that's a crash
09:23:14	B4gder	reset it
09:23:19	Scorpius	how?
09:23:20	petur	webguest13: on h3x0 you can also double-click ON for iriver firmware but the click rate is a bit sensitive
09:23:41	Scorpius	ok I see how
09:23:46	Scorpius	I never knew it has a hole for that
09:24:17	Scorpius	I wonder what happened I was just increasing volume :(
09:24:20	webguest13	yap i did it petur it works great ^^
09:25:59	B4gder	aaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:26:10	*	B4gder prefers baked beans
09:26:26	*	petur discovered the double click trick by accident
09:27:00	Scorpius	what does the double click do? booting the original firmware?
09:27:08	petur	yes
09:27:10	Scorpius	oh yeah.
09:27:20	midkay	B4gder, "congratulations" - hahaha, i was going to say that exact same thing, but i thought it'd be a bit out-of-place. :D
09:27:28	B4gder	:-)
09:27:38	midkay	great minds think alike.
09:27:49	midkay	although i think retarded ones do too. hm.
09:28:01	Scorpius	yeah that's why Bush is still the president.
09:28:01	midkay	nah, impossible. my mind is great!
09:28:04	midkay	haha.
09:28:05	B4gder	217.77.221.98
09:28:05	B4gder	85.202.118.56
09:28:05	B4gder	82.193.100.14
09:28:05	DBUG	Enqueued KICK B4gder
09:28:05	B4gder	70.87.62.250
09:28:12	midkay	:o
09:28:17	B4gder	RobbyWilliams in the wiki
09:28:22	B4gder	clearly some kind of script
09:28:31	B4gder	run from all over
09:28:36	midkay	THE robbin williams?!
09:28:46	midkay	robin.
09:28:47	B4gder	adds weirdo viagra attachments
09:28:51	midkay	haha.
09:29:46	B4gder	the problem is that they are hard to block
09:29:51	B4gder	since they come from everywhere
09:29:54	midkay	that sucks.
09:30:01	midkay	let's switch to mediawiki. they must not have this problem!
09:30:35	petur	can't we tweak the registration to act a little different?
09:30:39	B4gder	I believe there are twiki plugins we can use
09:30:41	petur	just to break the script
09:31:11	midkay	let's change the entire site into a mediawiki.
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09:40:08	B4gder	and again
09:40:37	Bg3r	B4gder turing number ? ;)
09:40:43	B4gder	spam
09:40:53	B4gder	they're on here non-stop right now
09:41:16	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:41:16	*	B4gder tail -fs the log
09:41:45	B4gder	70.87.62.250 is the villain still
09:42:19	B4gder	block
09:43:52	petur	'RobByWilliams' <−− hehe
09:44:09	petur	almost RobbedByWilliams
09:44:32	midkay	haha
09:44:33	B4gder	yeah, I now leave the names in the htpasswd file
09:44:42	B4gder	so he had to modify it to create a new
09:45:22	petur	these spammers are such a waste of time
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09:46:10	B4gder	in happier news, I've been promised to get the first mi4 decrypt tool source code tonight
09:46:50	markun	Who's sending it to you?
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09:47:00	B4gder	'MrH'
09:47:09	petur	I co-admin the forum of my fav .be rockband and I get to remove spammers a lot. Even with some fancy 'type what you read' they get in
09:47:43	B4gder	markun: but clearly a clever dude, not an insider
09:48:20	markun	He's not from Sandisk?
09:48:24	B4gder	no
09:48:55	B4gder	and it doesn't work on the sandisk mi4 files (yet)
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09:50:37	markun	Did he tell you how the encryption works?
09:50:58	B4gder	not in details but he's sending me the source within shortly
09:51:07	B4gder	for his tool
09:51:31	markun	Sorry for being so impatient, but I'm just very curious :)
09:51:54	B4gder	and I've offered to run a modified BL on my sansa to test more things
09:52:20	B4gder	this guys doesn't even own an mp3 player
09:52:47	B4gder	s/guys/guy
09:56:19	markun	B4gder: does the ipod firmware update work differently?
09:58:26	*	amiconn hates those gcc 4.1 warnings
09:58:32	B4gder	markun: completely
09:59:22	B4gder	it seems this is a PP way of doing upgrades but ipods clearly don't use this way
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10:06:13	elljay	i have a dumb question as a user.. can i make the default font bigger? it's soooo small
10:06:35	elljay	hurts to try to read it
10:07:28	Bg3r	elljay yes, u can, but it's easier to just switch it to other one
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10:07:50	elljay	bg3r; are there docs out there on how to switch the fonts?
10:07:51	midkay	i think that's what he means.
10:07:58	midkay	the font package is at the daily builds page.
10:08:21	elljay	k, i'll go take a look
10:08:23	midkay	all the fonts should end up in /.rockbox/fonts - select one in rockbox after extracting them from menu - general settings - display - font. or something.
10:08:23	midkay	:)
10:08:31	wehn_	elljay: install the extra fonts from the rockbox site, then choose another font. menu - general settings - display - browse fonts
10:08:33	elljay	gotcha
10:08:36	wehn_	beaten!
10:08:37	elljay	i'm on it
10:08:38	elljay	thanks
10:09:04	elljay	you guys reccomend one for a video ipod?
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10:10:27	Bg3r	elljay if you don't hope for rockbox video support on it soon (if at all) - then yes
10:10:42	elljay	no, i mean fonts
10:10:46	elljay	i could care less about video support ;)
10:11:14	elljay	i hate itunes
10:11:18	Bg3r	elljay just try them
10:11:36	elljay	i switched to rockbox because i can just put my files on there as i see fit
10:11:42	elljay	without apple's retarded software
10:12:16	elljay	and their wierd db system that mangles my id3 tags, etc
10:12:17	elljay	etc
10:12:58	petur	elljay: have a look in the WPS gallery in the wiki, most themes define fonts, so you can get an idea by looking at ipodvideo themes
10:13:15	elljay	i had a rio carbon who's thumbwheel fell out
10:13:27	elljay	so i got a 30gb video ipod cheap
10:13:36	elljay	petur; where's the wiki at?
10:13:40	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
10:14:21	elljay	nice, thanks
10:14:26	elljay	i'll huttup now and figure it out
10:15:42	elljay	wel while i'm asking dumb questions.. how do i make a bookmark?
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10:19:35	linuxstb	Apple in bugfix shock - it seems their recent ipod firmware update fixes the bug playing vbr mp3 files on the Nano...
10:20:17	toxicfume	so rockbox still doesn't support playback of any video formats on the iPod video 5G?
10:21:38	linuxstb	No, and still no-one is working on it.
10:21:49	elljay	sweet, the new font is rocking
10:21:50	elljay	thanks guys
10:22:40	midkay	elljay, bookmarking - hold select in the WPS.
10:22:46	midkay	down to bookmarks, and 'create bookmark'.
10:26:00	toxicfume	linuxstb, oh okay, damn. divx/xvid support would be cool.
10:27:14	B4gder	toxicfume: prove it! ;-)
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10:28:19	linuxstb	B4gder: So I'm guessing the firmware decryption program you're getting only works with the "0x0102" files (i.e. H10), and not the 0x0103 files?
10:28:22	markun	toxicfume: look in the patch tracker in the 'video' section
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10:28:40	B4gder	linuxstb: yes and possibly even more limited than so
10:28:56	B4gder	as it seems the h10 one uses a default key for the encryption
10:29:03	linuxstb	Ah, OK. Has he just tested on the h10 firmware do you know?
10:29:17	B4gder	he said the h10 and some of the others worked too
10:29:36	linuxstb	But even if it doesn't help the Sansa port, it's good news for a potential H10 port.
10:29:44	B4gder	indeed
10:30:10	petur	do we need to set up distributed computing to crack the encryption keys?
10:30:26	linuxstb	A Rockbox plugin...
10:30:30	midkay	haha.
10:30:37	petur	or ask Sandisk for the key
10:30:57	B4gder	128 bit keys
10:31:08	B4gder	that's insanely much to brute-force
10:31:26	*	petur notices increased level of spam in his mailboxes :(
10:34:24	B4gder	I've more or less given up on SanDisk bringing us anything else
10:34:35	linuxstb	B4gder: Do you know if Linus heard anything back after his last email about the Chinese player?
10:34:44	webguest13	question ? i have downlaoded the Theme Redbreva ( http://rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16 ) but it dont looks like the same on my h340
10:34:52	B4gder	I don't think he did
10:35:32	petur	webguest13: got all fonts installed?
10:36:23	webguest13	nope @ petur, should i ,)?
10:36:33	petur	probably
10:36:53	petur	check the wps (it's just a text file) to see the font it uses
10:37:13	linuxstb	Isn't the font in the theme .cfg?
10:37:33	petur	yes, sorry
10:37:55	petur	it uses nimbus-12.fnt
10:38:44	webguest13	ok i loaded the fonts on the h340 one moment ill check this out ^^
10:39:22	*	petur wonders about the xml files in the redbreva zip
10:39:24	webguest13	nope
10:40:06	webguest13	when i start a song, at the left upper corner stands: backgraound.bmp below this stands pbar.bmp and the whole thing is in the standart font
10:40:26	petur	did you load it as theme or as wps?
10:40:47	petur	you must Browse Themes
10:41:08	webguest13	i copied the " _notes " - folder too, is this not ok ?
10:41:16	webguest13	as theme
10:41:24	petur	delete the _notes
10:41:50	midkay	webguest13, that means the res isn't right on those images..
10:41:59	midkay	you must be using a theme for a different sized LCD.
10:42:09	midkay	what model are you using, and what theme from where?
10:42:11	webguest13	ok i realoadet the font but, now the fonts are ok, but the theme dont looks like the picture ... ;/
10:42:43	webguest13	sry i mean i reloaded the theme ^^
10:42:43	midkay	hm.
10:42:55	webguest13	i delete the _notes mom
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10:45:09	elljay	is it ok if i disable the itunes service? it's getting annoying every time i plug in it pops up
10:46:19	webguest13	i delete the _notes folder but nothing happens...
10:46:32	webguest13	i think this 2 firles are msing, issnt it ?
10:46:48	midkay	possibly, or the improper size.
10:47:05	webguest13	files*
10:48:38	petur	size looked ok
10:49:32	petur	names are ok, files are in the zip
10:49:54	petur	just don't have time to test the theme here...
10:51:38	webguest13	hmm
10:54:45	webguest13	ou lol ^^
10:54:58	webguest13	ok, was my spid fault cheer
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10:55:17	webguest13	i forget to copy a folder ...
10:55:29	petur	tsk tsk tsk
10:56:13	webguest13	:D
10:56:28	webguest13	now it works fine :) looks cool, u should try it out too ^^
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11:02:10	webguest13	ok guys i must work now a little bit or i get "aggro" of my boss ^^ so i am away for a bit of time ;D
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11:03:03	B4gder	nah, show your boss Rockbox and tell him to chill ;-)
11:03:35	*	petur tried this but it didn't help much ;)
11:03:39	B4gder	haha
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11:05:52	midkay	haha.
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11:17:59	webguest49	petur: The XML files are added by Dreamweaver to aid sync'ing local and web copies, and can be deleted...
11:19:42	webguest49	I am still trying to tidy up the data files on the themes site, but some of them are taking quite a lot of work :-(
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11:24:52	scorche	B4gder: if you want to brute force...i could prolly acquire a few fpgas and have at it =P
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11:36:30	Rob2222_	Anyone here with a H3_60_?
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11:36:55	*	petur wants an h380
11:37:06	*	Rob2222 has a H380 duck
11:37:20	petur	eh?
11:37:45	petur	Are the Toshiba's available now?
11:37:53	Rob2222	I got one at eBay
11:37:59	Rob2222	for 200 Euro
11:38:08	crwl	what about 40 GB single-platters?
11:38:46	Rob2222	but in the last 4 months only 2 80GBs hits at ebay, have a search with email notice running
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11:40:12	Rob2222	Anyway, I need the 1st sector (MBR) of a H260.
11:40:20	Rob2222	H360.
11:41:48	^BeN^	hi
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11:42:09	midkay	yay, Paprica.
11:42:49	Paprica	what do you think on commit new plugins for 3.0?
11:42:55	Paprica	like chopper and mazzam
11:43:10	midkay	won't happen..
11:43:23	Paprica	=\
11:43:35	midkay	unless you convince the party pooper points at B4gder
11:43:38	midkay	:D
11:43:54	Paprica	haha :)
11:44:28	Paprica	the feature freeze takes too much time =\
11:45:02	midkay	yeah.. well, they're staying strict about it. :)
11:45:35	elljay	dumb question, i installed a theme. it works perfect while playing... it's suposed to mod the menus also, no dice
11:45:40	elljay	what did i miss?
11:45:51	midkay	mod the menus?
11:46:00	midkay	with a backdrop?
11:46:21	midkay	if you're loading it from browse themes, try rebooting.
11:46:26	petur	elljay: did you also copy the backdrop in the correct folder?
11:46:54	elljay	just figured it out
11:46:58	elljay	gotta load the wps and the theme
11:47:28	elljay	blue5g is rockin
11:47:35	midkay	just load the theme next time, that automatically loads the WPS too.
11:47:37	spiorf	hi, is tagcache broken ATM?
11:47:46	elljay	really? cool
11:47:48	elljay	didnt know that
11:47:50	midkay	not that i know of..
11:47:56	spiorf	i'm asking it
11:48:00	midkay	elljay, yeah, theme = font, wps, colors usually.
11:48:09	spiorf	i keep getting a lot of <untagged> files
11:48:17	midkay	.. are they tagged? :)
11:48:22	spiorf	sure
11:48:29	midkay	i've never had tagged files marked untagged.
11:48:37	petur	using album art in your tags?
11:48:39	elljay	mkdkay; one more dumb question... the thmes that load album art... what file are they looking for?
11:48:58	midkay	elljay, those only work with a patched version of rockbox.
11:49:09	elljay	midkay; i believe i'm running it now
11:49:17	Rob2222	btw, is there a gallery of backdrops?
11:49:19	spiorf	how long does it takes to scan 2 GB of files?
11:49:21	midkay	but there's a priority system.. first i think it checks for filename.bmp, then albumname.bmp, and finally cover.bmp.. or something.
11:49:25	midkay	wait.
11:49:36	midkay	spiorf, not that long.
11:49:36	elljay	.bmp?
11:49:41	elljay	not .gif?
11:49:41	midkay	yes, .bmp.
11:49:45	elljay	what size?
11:49:57	spiorf	minutes? seconds?
11:50:05	petur	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
11:50:14	midkay	file priority :1. <filename>.bmp 2. <album>.bmp 3. cover.bmp
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11:50:22	midkay	elljay, whatever the theme specifies.
11:50:34	midkay	spiorf, depends on model.. couple minutes probably.
11:50:52	midkay	could be a minute, or if you're on an archos, maybe several.. they seem quite slow at it.
11:51:00	spiorf	ipod nano here
11:51:18	elljay	ahh cover.bmp is what i was looking for
11:51:37	midkay	spiorf, ah, even better.. under a minute, i'd bet.
11:51:41	Rob2222	petur ah thx
11:52:18	spiorf	there are restrictions about id3 tag version?
11:52:39	elljay	is it me or does the ipod video battery drain much faster using rockbox?
11:53:03	elljay	i'd guess i'm using the screen much more than i'd usually while i'm learning and modding the interface
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11:54:14	midkay	spiorf, there's a priority setting that Rockbox follows, but it in the end will check id3v1 and v2 tags before giving up.
11:54:53	midkay	maaaan. 18 minutes of map compiling to find it didn't even work.
11:54:56	spiorf	in itunes i converted tags to version 2.4
11:55:01	spiorf	is this too high?
11:55:10	midkay	i don't believe so, no..
11:55:32	elljay	heh, i went from 5.5hrs of battery life to 3.1 in less than 5mins
11:55:40	petur	elljay: rockbox uses more batt on ipod yes
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11:55:56	petur	it's far from release ready
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11:56:15	elljay	petur; i just wanted to make sure i wasnt going crazy ;)
11:56:32	midkay	haha. not that bad, nah.
11:56:36	elljay	that's fine with me... i listen mostly in my car and it's charging the whole time
11:56:38	midkay	battery indicator isn
11:56:42	midkay	isn't perfect
11:58:06	elljay	anything i can do to avoid itunes.. i'll give my first born
11:58:44	elljay	i'd rather use musicmatch
11:58:50	midkay	haha.
11:58:55	elljay	and that is PAIN
11:59:02	midkay	that's saying something, yeah.
11:59:02	midkay	:)
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12:00:46	elljay	i'm using a modded rockbox bin right now
12:00:55	elljay	the wheel acceleration is driving me nuts
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12:01:16	elljay	cuz i'm used to using the standard ipod firmware
12:01:33	elljay	i dont need to move a full circle to get down a screen
12:02:17	elljay	it's actually better this way
12:02:33	elljay	just need to ween myself off the old plan
12:03:11	midkay	haha, yeah.
12:04:18	elljay	hehe the battery just jumped to 3hrs 52mins
12:04:28	elljay	then down to 2hrs 42mins
12:04:32	elljay	in one cycle
12:04:37	midkay	it can be spazzy-ish.
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12:05:01	elljay	back to 3hrs 19mins again
12:05:26	midkay	very general estimate. :)
12:06:41	elljay	yah, it's nuts
12:06:46	elljay	so i'm curious
12:06:56	elljay	where do you guys dev on?
12:07:00	elljay	linux? osx?
12:07:10	scorche	OS/2
12:07:24	elljay	what's the processor for the ipod? arm?
12:07:54	elljay	cross compilers are fun
12:08:16	*	scorche gets no respect....not even for his jokes
12:08:20	elljay	scorche; you really use os/2?
12:08:28	midkay	haha.
12:08:37	elljay	are you running a 4 node bbs?
12:08:39	*	midkay is on windows and won't go anywhere soon.
12:08:52	linuxstb	elljay: I think there's a pretty even mix of Linux and Windows users amongst the Rockbox devs. But the cross-compiler needs Linux or Cygwin.
12:09:02	midkay	scorche, stop that crazy talk. you don't deserve respect.
12:09:13	linuxstb	And yes, the ipods all have two arm7tdmi cpus.
12:09:18	elljay	i ran os/2 for while
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12:09:28	elljay	best OS for running a BBS
12:09:37	elljay	desqview was trash when os/2 came out
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12:10:58	scorche	midkay: =(
12:11:06	Mikachu	::petur hits firefox and the webclient for 0 damage::
12:11:18	midkay	scorche, uh. did anyone say you could talk.
12:11:20	midkay	i don't think so.
12:11:39	scorche	midkay: =(
12:12:07	*	scorche sends a telepathic message to midkay saying: "i didnt talk, i just frowned at you"
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12:12:19	elljay	scorche; if you're hoping to gain respect dont respond to that with =)
12:12:26	elljay	errr =(
12:12:35	midkay	scorche, stop talki−− hm. i just got this weird kind of feeling that you just frowned at me instead of talking. well. alright then.
12:13:12	elljay	s/=(/suck my balls
12:13:14	scorche	=)
12:13:45	midkay	please. think of the children.
12:13:54	midkay	(scorche)
12:13:57	scorche	but sharpe is asleep...
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12:14:05	midkay	ooooooooooooohohooho.
12:14:06	midkay	buuurn.
12:14:23	elljay	you guys are nuts
12:14:29	midkay	scorche's pretty hardcore.
12:14:48	midkay	we'll see what sharpe has to say about this when he gets up.
12:17:13	elljay	eh i need to get my desktop here and hooked up
12:17:56	midkay	why that.
12:18:13	elljay	we'll i miss it
12:18:31	elljay	i moved to a new place
12:19:05	midkay	ah.
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12:21:24	elljay	i'm working on my laptop which is pretty lame
12:21:51	elljay	i wanna do some coding again... done some arm
12:22:03	elljay	sounds like fun
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12:24:25	XavierGr	Today I thought that I heard an 192 mp3 artifact, but who knows maybe it was a placebo effect
12:24:35	XavierGr	I was very worried though
12:25:05	XavierGr	I can't afford lower compression
12:25:09	Bg3r	XavierGr ;)
12:25:19	XavierGr	oh Helli Bg3r
12:25:24	XavierGr	hello too
12:25:26	Bg3r	hello
12:26:21	Rob2222	Hey XavierGr
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12:26:42	Rob2222	Would you still send me your MBR? (Sector 1)
12:27:02	Rob2222	But I think, the disk is lost already :(
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12:28:29	jon_m	Hi. Nice-looking software. I'm thinking of getting an Archos Jukebox 20GB Multimedia With Photo Module. Will the rockbox software let me use the player as a camera? Or would I be able to run it as 'dual boot' with the rockbox and original firmware? TIA
12:29:30	B4gder	rockbox doesn't run on the archos multimedia
12:30:56	XavierGr	ah hello Rob
12:31:09	XavierGr	Rob yes wait a minute
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12:34:04	Zweiundvierzig	Moin
12:38:02	XavierGr	now where is the mbr utility I used last time (and nearly lost all my data)
12:38:21	B4gder	dd is your friend
12:40:27	XavierGr	Bagder I am not a linux expert. (not even average user)
12:41:12	linuxstb	Use "fdisk -l" to find which device is your H340 - e.g. /dev/sda and then do "dd if=/dev/sda count=1 of=mbr.bin"
12:41:54	XavierGr	ok I will try that thanks
12:42:12	linuxstb	Not sure if it will work in vmware though - are you using vmware?
12:42:32	linuxstb	But it should work OK in cygwin.
12:42:33	XavierGr	yes unfortunately
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12:42:55	XavierGr	well itshould work on cygwin if you have installed these packages
12:43:31	linuxstb	dd should be part of the base installation. Not sure about fdisk though.
12:43:36	Rob2222	XavierGr: Should I send you a HEXEditor for Winows?
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12:44:35	XavierGr	Rob: no, this will confuse me even more. I will just download one random mbr utility then I will send you the utility with the dump file
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12:45:19	XavierGr	Rob: you are on windows right?
12:45:27	jon_m	thanks. if rockbox definitely doesn't run on the archos multimedia, that rules that out, then :(
12:45:29	Rob2222	I have Knoppix here, too.
12:45:50	XavierGr	I mean your primary OS
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12:46:00	Rob2222	With the Hex Editor its safe, too. You can open the drive read only.
12:46:03	Rob2222	Yes, WinXP.
12:47:35	B4gder	jon_m: it definitely doesn't
12:48:17	B4gder	archopen (.org) might
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12:50:52	XavierGr	Rob: Done
12:51:03	XavierGr	I will send you the utility to restore it and the file
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12:51:39	XavierGr	Rob?
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12:52:22	Rob2222	ah
12:52:24	Rob2222	dont write when a DCC window pops up
12:52:26	Rob2222	lol
12:52:29	Rob2222	XavierGr Could you send again pls?
12:53:24	XavierGr	okay
12:53:39	XavierGr	done
12:53:52	Rob2222	ok, thx !
12:53:56	Rob2222	very much
12:53:58	XavierGr	there you will find the command line utility and the txt file has the mbr info
12:54:18	XavierGr	run the .exe once (from cmd) for info how ot use it
12:55:08	XavierGr	normally you have to type something like:
12:55:11	XavierGr	mbrwiz /disk=4 /restore=60gb.txt
12:55:27	XavierGr	where on disk you should provide the nunber for the H300
12:55:30	XavierGr	WARNING
12:55:48	XavierGr	if you provide a wrong number you will loose the data from one of your disks
12:56:12	Rob2222	yeah
12:56:17	Rob2222	already done, all ok
12:56:18	XavierGr	so please be sure to type "mbrwiz /list" first
12:56:24	XavierGr	ah okay nice
12:56:27	XavierGr	the outcome?
12:56:36	Rob2222	let me try
12:57:57	*	XavierGr crosses fingers
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12:59:01	Rob2222	ok
12:59:02	Rob2222	no
12:59:03	jon_m	Thanks anyway, then. Bye :)
12:59:10	Rob2222	doesnt help
12:59:14	Rob2222	but i found the error
12:59:35	Rob2222	wrote mbr, disconnect, connect, read mbr, and took a compare
12:59:46	amiconn	linuxstb: fdisk & co should all work in a vmware linux installation for an USB storage device, if they work on plain linux
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13:00:11	amiconn	VMware is able to connect an usb device which is plugged into the host to one of the guests
13:00:47	Rob2222	and it is not the same. so the disc 1.)cant hold the data, or 2.) cant write the data correct or 3.) cant read the data correct
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13:00:49	amiconn	This connection is exclusive, i.e. the guest may do whatever it wants with this usb device
13:01:07	amiconn	The hosts and other guests have no access to it
13:01:11	amiconn	*host
13:02:28	XavierGr	Rob: So you don't have anything else to do right?
13:03:51	Rob2222	Nope. The HD doesnt write the correct data, i just tested
13:04:02	Rob2222	cause of that i didnt get read errors. lol
13:04:15	Rob2222	it just writes false data
13:04:56	amiconn	uh?
13:05:30	Rob2222	uh @ me?
13:06:45	Rob2222	That poor girl. Purchased a used H340 from ebay from mp3-player.de that is heavy damaged and a MK6006GAH from GB that is damaged, too.
13:06:50	Rob2222	:(
13:07:27	Rob2222	The H340 has a damaged earphone circuit and pulls 380mA on playing MP3 without disc.
13:07:42	Rob2222	=> runtime of 3h
13:07:53	Bg3r	Rob2222 this is the unit from the girl u've found @ ebay ?
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13:08:24	Rob2222	yes.
13:08:36	Rob2222	i only should assemble the HD in. its hers
13:08:55	Bg3r	Rob2222 bad situation..
13:09:27	Rob2222	I almost talk to her and she trust me, that i didnt damaged it.
13:09:33	Rob2222	already
13:09:48	Rob2222	but im sorry for her, anyway :(
13:10:12	Rob2222	the ebay seller of the h340 was mp3-player.de ... nice that they didnt test the units before selling ...
13:10:34	Bg3r	Rob2222 :(
13:10:59	fluxx	are the default bass boost/discant boost-features provided by the iRiver iHP-120 hardware, or is the capability to diminish those just an oversight?
13:11:06	fluxx	obviously one can do those with the equalizer..
13:11:08	Rob2222	I just think if it is possible that the HD is damaged by the H340 ...
13:11:18	amiconn	Rob2222: Maybe the disk isn't damaged, but rather the damaged unit doesn't manage to control the disk properly?
13:11:21	fluxx	(which I guess must be software?)
13:11:47	Bg3r	fluxx they bass & treble are done in the codec chip
13:11:50	Rob2222	amiconn: The disc doenst work on my 1,8" usb 2.0 controller, too
13:12:04	amiconn	hmm
13:12:04	Rob2222	and the original 40GB works in both
13:12:21	amiconn	urgh
13:12:24	fluxx	bg3r, the audio chip I take it, there's no separate mp3 decoder chip?
13:12:43	Bg3r	fluxx yep, it's an "audio codec" chip, uda1380
13:12:50	fluxx	I always wondered why the original firmware didn't support negative adjustments for those, but that does explain it..
13:13:04	XavierGr	Rob: the H300 is damaged too?
13:13:08	fluxx	doesn't explain why the chip doesn't support those, though :)
13:13:15	XavierGr	can you get her to RMA it?
13:13:27	XavierGr	at least she could have a working unit
13:13:45	muesli\|delhi	is there a way to display japanese characters in thunderbird?
13:13:59	XavierGr	Rob: it still has the original disk right?
13:14:22	Rob2222	I just think if it can be, that the H340 damaged the 60GB. Cause after assemble it, i could copy some files (on the partition that was on the HD), and put the unit to charge. 1h later i only saw worse characters, got a blue screen and after that i never managed to partition it for myself. But that the 40GB works in fine would say angainst it ...
13:14:55	XavierGr	the 40gb is hers or yours?
13:15:07	Rob2222	Yes, original disc is fine. mp3-player.de said, she should RMA, but i didnt know if iriver will RMA on a 2nd hand purchased player
13:15:13	Rob2222	40gb is hers.
13:15:20	Rob2222	the original
13:15:31	XavierGr	does she have the receipt?
13:15:48	Rob2222	i think so. at least the ebay purchase
13:16:03	XavierGr	then she has a good chance of RMA
13:16:04	Rob2222	http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7607627399
13:16:23	Rob2222	http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7607627399 <=and the hd
13:16:45	Rob2222	i just think was "REFURBED FROM NEW" means at the HD ...
13:16:53	Rob2222	"low level formatted" ...
13:17:20	XavierGr	Rob: tell her to get in contact with iriver in Germany (if she is from europe)
13:17:35	XavierGr	either with email (slow) or contact them by phone
13:17:44	XavierGr	Do you remember my story?
13:17:53	XavierGr	at least i got a wrking player now
13:18:07	XavierGr	(and USB OTG finally)
13:18:09	Rob2222	yes, she will
13:18:13	Rob2222	hehe :)
13:18:18	Rob2222	shes from germany, too
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13:21:53	XavierGr	ah I remember when I called to germany!
13:22:01	XavierGr	Bger adviced me to do so
13:22:06	XavierGr	(thanks Bger! :p)
13:22:15	Bg3r	hehe:)
13:22:39	XavierGr	hmm I am trying to remember the name of the assistant there....
13:22:55	XavierGr	maybe I could tell you the name and speak to him directly
13:23:00	XavierGr	he was very helpfull
13:23:26	lou	we germans are not helpful
13:23:39	lou	my bet is that he was a foreigner working here
13:24:21	muesli\|delhi	yeah, this guy seems to come from austria
13:24:33	Rob2222	lol
13:24:39	Rob2222	thats not true lou :p
13:24:54	Rob2222	I just tried to help that girl
13:25:03	Rob2222	2 days to get that damn hd working
13:25:07	lou	:>
13:25:14	Rob2222	afk some minutes
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13:28:56	spiorf	hi, i converted all tags to id3v1 and now works
13:29:09	spiorf	maybe a bug in the id3v2 code
13:29:34	pijulius	hi all, sorry to bother, I asked the question on the forum too, but than I realized that asking on irc is a lot faster :) so here I'm:
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13:29:46	pijulius	is the bootloader limited in size? I try to add a full screen image to the loader, but only the original one is working which is 98 heigh. Is there something that I can do about it? or should I leave this alone?
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13:34:44	midkay	pijulius, well, have you named the fullscreenone correctly?
13:35:46	pijulius	midkay, Yeh, I tried to only show a part of it and it worked, anyway, has this to do something with it: #define MAX_LOADSIZE (410241024) in ipod.c?
13:35:55	midkay	hm, no idea, sorry..
13:36:10	pijulius	ok, than lets find out :)
13:37:44	midkay	:D
13:38:38	pijulius	no, it seems not :)
13:48:59	midkay	haha.
13:49:04	midkay	hm.
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13:56:01	B4gder	mi4code.c posted
13:56:34	merbanan	bad link
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14:07:00	B4gder	fixed
14:08:00	Bg3r	B4gder where ? daniel.haxx. ?
14:08:22	B4gder	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
14:08:31	B4gder	home of the mi4 files
14:09:21	linuxstb	B4gder: Do you know if there's also a checksum to figure out?
14:09:34	B4gder	I don't know
14:09:54	linuxstb	Time to modify a string and see what happens...
14:09:56	B4gder	this is mostly MrH's research I'm posting here
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14:19:06	webguest13	so guys i must go now
14:19:11	webguest13	thx for the nice help
14:19:27	webguest13	we will see us soon i think ;) i have much more questions ^^ cya
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14:21:52	XavierGr	good afternoon everyone!
14:21:58	XavierGr	I am going to the beach!!
14:22:29	*	petur stays inside next to the airco
14:22:41	XavierGr	hehe
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14:28:10	pijulius	hi everyone, still tried to split up the bmp, but still getting the same error, I think there is no room for a bigger bootloader, isn't there?
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14:29:47	midkay	pijulius, there's an error?
14:30:37	linuxstb	pijulius: It should work fine.... What exactly is the error?
14:30:47	pijulius	midkay, sorry, my mistake, no error, just frozes with the apple logo, the backlight isn't turned on either
14:31:04	midkay	hm.
14:31:55	pijulius	if the bootloader.bin gets bigger than 120,000 bytes, it won't boot, otherwise it works great
14:32:37	pijulius	120,000 (just a thought, because ~102k works, but ~157k not)
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14:33:19	midkay	hmm.
14:33:27	pijulius	me too :)
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14:33:35	midkay	haha.
14:33:40	midkay	we are simply baffled.
14:35:13	linuxstb	pijulius: The bootloader has always been delicate for some unknown reason... Which version of gcc are you using?
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14:36:01	pijulius	linuxstb, 4.1.0 20060304 (Red Hat 4.1.0-3)
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14:41:31	PaulJam	Hmm, is this bug worth to be reported on flyspray: if you exit the "View IO ports" screen by holding stop for a few seconds, the player just switches off as soon as you enter the wps. (on a h320 with a heavily patched build)
14:42:07	pijulius	linuxstb, I have a cygwin on my winbox with gcc 3.4.4, worth a try? what do you think?
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14:42:47	Bg3r	PaulJam and on unpatched build ?
14:43:54	PaulJam	i haven't tried yet, but i can do.
14:44:46	linuxstb	PaulJam: IMO forget about it - the debug screens are excempt from bug reports...
14:46:07	PaulJam	ok, but i'll still try with an unpatched build and report here.
14:49:24	PaulJam	Bg3r: happens with a clean build and default settings too.
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14:54:02	amiconn	PaulJam: That's in fact expected. The SYS_SHOUTDOWN event is waiting in the queue for the next event loop to process it
14:54:27	amiconn	Holding Stop for a few seconds is suppose dto shutdown the player
14:54:30	amiconn	*supposed
14:54:38	amiconn	to
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14:54:52	petur	shoutdown ;)
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14:57:17	Genre9mp3	Sorry for this maybe strange question, but I was wondering, would it be possible to make the equalizer work with line-in recording?
14:57:18	PaulJam	amiconn: i was just a little but surprised, that it shut down without spinning the hd and with no splash screen
14:59:11	Genre9mp3	For example, in a Rock concert where the bass is very loud, it would be very handy if we could adjust the lower frequencies..
14:59:27	linuxstb	Wouldn't that be better done offline after you've recorded it?
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14:59:52	petur	you want to do that before it enters the line-in
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15:00:04	Genre9mp3	Sure, but I was just wondering, if this is possible..
15:00:20	Genre9mp3	I mean, if it requires some special hardware to be done
15:00:47	linuxstb	In theory, yes - Rockbox could do anything to the audio before writing it to disk (subject to CPU power).
15:01:28	Genre9mp3	So, in theory, this would require as much as CPU the equalizer in playback, requires?
15:01:51	petur	the problem is that bass mostly gives a hot signal, causing the rest to be recorded less because the bass limits the gain you can set on the line-in
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15:02:52	Genre9mp3	petur: by equalizing the bass the recording should result more balanced, though
15:03:26	petur	however if you want it applied to the monitor signal too it will need some more work
15:04:03	Genre9mp3	Yes, I understand...
15:04:39	Genre9mp3	Also, this would be cool with a DSP effect or something (eg. Delay)
15:05:13	petur	now it already passes through the coldfire but just routed by the cpu afaik (looks at amiconn and preglow)
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15:08:14	linuxstb	I would guess that the monitoring is just inside the uda1380. i..e the coldfire isn't sending the data back to the DAC.
15:08:26	petur	that was changed
15:08:35	linuxstb	For SP/DIF?
15:08:38	linuxstb	S/PDIF
15:08:42	petur	yes
15:09:12	petur	it's now also routed through the coldfire for analog in
15:10:34	pijulius	linuxstb, I just finished building a bootloader.bin on my winbox too with cygwin but I get the same result, I'm out of ideas at the momen
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15:26:30	linuxstb	pijulius: Sorry, I had enough similar madness when I was working on the bootloader originally. I don't want to go back there just for a logo...
15:27:50	pijulius	linuxstb, np, I know the feeling :) anyway, it's better this way because I will do a littler logo but I will make a status bar wich will show how rockbox boots up, and when finished a bigger logo will show up, at least this is my plan
15:37:06	linuxstb	Have fun :)
15:37:40	pijulius	thanks, I do :)
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15:53:16	amiconn	PaulJam: If you trigger sutdown in an event loop that ignores the SYS_SHUTDOWN event, the button driver will shutdown the unit "by force" after 8 seconds.
15:53:33	amiconn	I think this is what you observed. The debug menu is, well a debug menu
15:55:29	amiconn	linuxstb, petur: The recording monitor runs through the coldfire, but only looped through the audio interface, i.e. the cpu core doesn't see the data
15:56:02	amiconn	The UDA has no tone control for the recording signal to be applied before the ADC
15:56:12	petur	hmmm what I thought...
15:56:35	amiconn	Attenuating the bass for recording would mean to attenuate _everything_, then boost non-bass frequencies
15:56:44	amiconn	Kinda eq for recording.
15:57:27	amiconn	Applying it after recording is most probably way better than that
15:57:44	petur	was my point: bass heavy input results in the rest of the signal being low - unless you filter before it enters the ADC
15:58:02	amiconn	Yes, and that's not possible (without extra hardware)
15:58:14	*	petur has ordered it ;)
15:58:29	amiconn	You can put a high pass filter between the mic and the iriver input
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16:17:43	Genre9mp3	amiconn: So, you think that eq for recording would be pointless? Wouldn't help at all?
16:19:26	petur	I find being able to record unboosted much more important
16:20:23	Genre9mp3	petur: You mean, the CPU, right?
16:20:32	petur	yes sorry ;)
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16:21:38	amiconn	Genre9mp3: It would eat more cpu power (== battery), dropped samples would become more likely, and the quality would be lower than applying the correction while post processing
16:21:48	Genre9mp3	Well, yes, you are right... All I am saying though, is a recording eq to use for "special" occasions
16:22:16	petur	a separate effect box plugin would be better
16:22:18	Febs	Genre9mp3: what purpose would a recording EQ serve?
16:22:35	Genre9mp3	aniconn: ok, these are enough reasons for me! :)
16:22:56	petur	audacity does the processing in 32bit
16:23:15	Genre9mp3	Febs: I was saying about equalize the lower frequencies when you record on loud events (eg. Rock concerts)
16:23:40	amiconn	petur: Yes, and its filters are probably higher quality than a realtime filter on a 100MHz cpu can be
16:23:51	petur	true
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16:24:24	amiconn	preglow is the filter specialist...
16:41:21	dongs	hehe
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16:56:37	lowlight	amiconn: are you familiar with viewer.c?
16:57:55	dongs	speaking of viewer the other day i pirated some mp3s and i was surprised to see rockbox load some jpegs that were in the same dir as mp3s
16:58:00	dongs	and it actually looked pretty good
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17:01:35	idnar	dongs: what did you say your street address was?
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17:24:59	Jeffrk	are there any qualified individuals to help me with a problem?
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17:26:15	PaulJam	hard to tell, if you don't say what your problem is
17:26:25	drippydonut	I'm not qualified, but I can see if I can be of help ;)
17:26:50	Jeffrk	well it's quite simple actually
17:27:03	Jeffrk	im trying to figure out how to put backdrop photos onto my ipod
17:27:10	Jeffrk	(photo)
17:27:36	Jeffrk	i used the resolution 160 x 128? i think that's what the photo is
17:27:46	Jeffrk	and also 24-bit bmp
17:27:56	Jeffrk	but it keeps saying backdrop failed
17:27:56	PaulJam	the photo is 176x220
17:28:04	Jeffrk	is it now
17:28:54	Jeffrk	are you sure?
17:29:03	Jeffrk	wouldn't that make it higher than it is wider?
17:29:07	PaulJam	corection: 220x176
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17:29:16	Jeffrk	excellent thank
17:29:17	Jeffrk	you
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19:30:24	pijulius	hi guys, I would like to thank you again for all your work! I'm so proud of rockbox that you can't imagine! Love you guys! Never give up!, ok? :)
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19:59:28	Febs	Hmmm. Is ReplayGain functioning on iPod platforms?
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20:00:18	Nilisco	nope
20:00:22	Nilisco	oh, whoops, nevermind
20:00:30	Nilisco	wrong channel. =)
20:03:52	*	Febs answers his own question.
20:04:07	Febs	ReplayGain is working on iPod.
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20:05:51	Nilisco	How are the ipod rockbox builds working? I'm interested in buying a video, but I haven't really read any reviews of the rockbox build yet
20:06:01	Nilisco	I used it on a archos back in the day and loved it though
20:06:34	Febs	Some quirks, but Rockbox is generally very functional on my iPod video.
20:07:10	Nilisco	Does album art work?
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20:07:48	Febs	Yes, although you need to use one of the unofficial builds that contains patches not (yet) incorporated into the official code.
20:08:01	Nilisco	Ah, but it'll be officially supported eventually?
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20:08:28	Febs	If someone implements it properly, yes. There were some issues with the existing implementation which is why it did not get into the official builds
20:09:05	Nilisco	Good to hear. Now I just need to decide if I want a macbook to go along with the ipod
20:09:26	Febs	We're in a feature freeze right now to iron out bugs for the 3.0 release. Once that freeze ends, I have no doubt that someone will implement album art. It seems to be a very popular feature.
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20:10:55	amiconn	meh
20:11:23	Febs	Amiconn doesn't like album art. ;)
20:11:47	Nilisco	heh
20:12:20	Febs	Actually, I personally don't bother with it either, but I can understand why others like it.
20:13:23	amiconn	exactly
20:13:44	amiconn	I mean, I have nothing against album art if it's implemented properly,
20:13:55	amiconn	but I don't get why it's so popular
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20:14:20	Febs	A generation that grew up on gui interfaces with lots of bells and whistles?
20:14:42	Nilisco	no, just another OCD impulse to catalog my collection perfectly
20:15:15	amiconn	I grew up with gui interfaces
20:15:25	Febs	So much for that theory.
20:15:30	amiconn	Nah, almost, more or less
20:15:38	amiconn	My first comp was a ZX Spectrum
20:15:38	Febs	I think that my first computer had PC-DOS 1.0.
20:15:51	amiconn	..but the second one was an Amiga 500
20:16:03	Nilisco	Apple 2e here
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20:18:48	Febs	... and his Radio Shack Color Computer. "Chicklet keyboard" −− yuck!
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20:31:21	*	Bagder found another firmware upgrade
20:31:29	Bagder	for Samsung yh-920
20:31:34	Bagder	a 51MB file
20:31:47	Bagder	48 of them are "free" music included
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21:42:24	lamed	nm
21:42:48	lamed	bagder: around?
21:43:00	muesli__	yeeeeeeeeeeeah
21:43:07	muesli__	germany gooooooooo :)
21:43:11	dionoea	lol
21:43:14	muesli__	sorry mates :)))
21:43:31	dionoea	france goooooooooooooo !!!!
21:43:36	dionoea	bresil go home !
21:44:08	lamed	no soccer please.
21:44:09	muesli__	lets c dionoea ;9
21:44:21	dionoea	lamed: i hate soccer too :)
21:44:37	muesli__	GALS :D
21:44:49	dionoea	nah
21:45:01	lamed	:)
21:45:30	dionoea	i just don't like sitting in front of the TV for two hours watching 22 people kicking a ball ... not really interesting
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21:46:42	muesli__	u didnt get the spirit
21:46:46	muesli__	thats all :)
21:46:47	dionoea	i guess so :p
21:46:57	muesli__	its about passion and havin beer!!
21:47:10	dionoea	hehe
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21:48:12	lamed	Ok: this one goes to all of you DEVs, that are watching the game through their ipods or whatever you're doing... I'd just like to get some respond over my hebrew translation update, wanting to know whether it is acceptable before v.3.0, because I really believe this is one of thous things that can't be left out, a language support that is. I'd be happy for some attention at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5587
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21:51:28	lamed	btw, I actually don't like soccer, I don't drink, smoke, and I don't like coffee. some people call me insane for that.
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21:52:07	muesli__	lamed no...ur just boring :DDD
21:52:20	muesli__	sorry..just kiddin..
21:52:25	muesli__	sncr
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21:54:25	lamed	I kiteboard, I play roller-hockey (no ice in Israel), I race karts, I fly model airplanes, I play the guitar and drums, and he's just quit.
21:54:44	dionoea	:)
21:57:07	lamed	gnight
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21:57:38	preglow	amiconn: most eq filters are exactly equal to what rockbox uses
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23:39:42	amiconn	petur: "Empty body in an if statement"
23:39:48	amiconn	2x, for H120 sim
23:41:13	*	petur checks
23:42:33	amiconn	It's somewhat annoying that these gcc 4.1 warnings make real warnings less obvious in the build table :/
23:42:42	petur	yes
23:43:55	petur	aahhhh cpu_boost is a define for sims :/
23:44:13	petur	rather than an empty stub
23:45:47	amiconn	I'm not sure what to do about these gcc 4.1 warnings. We already supress a lot of gcc 4.x warnings :/
23:45:52	amiconn	*suppress
23:47:12	amiconn	Ever tried building with gcc 4.x (sh1, arm, or sim) with -Wno-pointer-sign ?
23:47:18	amiconn	..removed, I mean
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23:49:02	obo	does that mask the "comparison between signed and unsigned" message?
23:49:19	amiconn	nope
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23:53:01	amiconn	"warning: pointer targets in assignment differ in signedness"+
23:53:18	amiconn	"pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'iso_decode' differ in signedness"
23:53:20	amiconn	etc
23:53:31	amiconn	a sh**load of these :/
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23:57:01	petur	amiconn: regarding remote support: I see current code uses remote button defines, and Mmmm is submitting patches that add an additional define layer in settings.h for code that also uses button defines of settings. It's an easy solution but I feel the original code should not be using the settings defines - or am I wrong? Maybe we need more global defines for BUTTON_INC / BUTTON_DEC / ... ?

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