00:02:10 | LinusN | not necessarily |
00:03:07 | Rincewind_12 | I just observed that some patches do it this way (which would be some kind of "object oriented" ^^) |
00:04:22 | LinusN | we are KISS followers here |
00:04:57 | Rincewind_12 | what does KISS stand for (googling this wouldnt get the right answer I suppose...) |
00:05:07 | LinusN | Keep it Simple Stupid |
00:05:16 | Rincewind_12 | k |
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00:12:08 | x1jmp | is it possible to control the leds of the h1x0? the led function has no effect... |
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00:12:59 | Rincewind_12 | I don't think so, but it would be cool to have the green led flashing on recording |
00:13:59 | LinusN | no, you can't control the leds |
00:14:55 | x1jmp | so they are completely controlled by the hardware? |
00:15:00 | LinusN | yes |
00:23:23 | x1jmp | rockbox freezes when i often use pcmbuf_beep without having a longer pause between the calls |
00:23:34 | x1jmp | can someone explain that? |
00:24:26 | LinusN | no i can't |
00:25:48 | LinusN | how long does the pause need to be? |
00:26:28 | LinusN | ok i see it |
00:26:57 | LinusN | the beep function mixes the beep tone into existing pcm data to be played |
00:27:32 | LinusN | and there has to be a free chunk of pcm data in the queue for it to work |
00:27:52 | LinusN | but it shouldn't freeze... |
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00:28:38 | x1jmp | i tried 100 msecs and it freezes, with 200 msecs it does not |
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00:31:43 | LinusN | wow, the beep function looks pretty dangerous to me |
00:32:05 | LinusN | looks as if it is capable of overwriting vital stuff |
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00:32:36 | Moos | Hello |
00:32:44 | * | petur hands LinusN the bug-zapper device |
00:33:01 | LinusN | hmm, maybe i'm wrong |
00:33:13 | * | petur asks it back ;) |
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00:34:43 | petur | moo? |
00:35:19 | x1jmp | is there an alternative to pcm_beep? preferly one which is already in the plugin api |
00:35:31 | LinusN | no there isn't |
00:35:37 | LinusN | and it shouldn't freeze |
00:36:32 | LinusN | x1jmp: are you playing music at the same time? |
00:36:44 | x1jmp | no |
00:37:06 | LinusN | then i think i see a problem... |
00:37:26 | LinusN | how long is the duration of the beep? |
00:37:56 | x1jmp | 100 and 300 msecs |
00:38:33 | LinusN | if no sound is playing, it looks like the duration has to be shorter than the interval |
00:39:23 | LinusN | i still don't see how it should freeze though |
00:39:42 | x1jmp | so if i play music it shouldn't crash? ;) |
00:40:15 | LinusN | well, you will probably see other interesting problems :-) |
00:41:41 | x1jmp | works perfectly while playing music :) |
00:42:08 | LinusN | ok |
00:42:24 | x1jmp | but it's not a solution for me... |
00:43:39 | LinusN | i know |
00:44:11 | LinusN | does it work if you do 100ms beeps in 110ms intervals? |
00:48:57 | x1jmp | seems not |
00:49:13 | LinusN | hmmm |
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00:49:40 | x1jmp | btw when does it load the original firmware after a reset and when not? |
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00:50:43 | Rincewind_12 | I think it depends on the RAM, if the unit is off for a while rb gets loaded, but if started immideatly the original firmware is "faster" |
00:50:49 | LinusN | it always loads rockbox unless you reset in the bootloader |
00:51:46 | Rincewind_12 | if i reset (in rockbox) and start again immediatly afterwards I almost ever get the original firmware |
00:52:12 | LinusN | which device? |
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00:52:16 | x1jmp | same sometimes for me |
00:52:19 | Rincewind_12 | If think this is "warm boot" versus "cold boot" |
00:52:22 | Rincewind_12 | iriver h120 |
00:53:16 | LinusN | "and start again"? |
00:53:26 | x1jmp | i have the same device and it sometimes starts the rockbox even if i restart immediately |
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00:53:35 | LinusN | when you reset the h120, it always starts automatically |
00:53:42 | Rincewind_12 | reset with the pin -> unit shuts down -> press ON to start again |
00:53:53 | x1jmp | yes, it shuts down |
00:54:57 | LinusN | my h1x0 device start when i push the reset button |
00:55:08 | LinusN | in fact, all my h1x0 devices do |
00:55:33 | ender` | mine doesn't, though IIRC it used to |
00:55:36 | Rincewind_12 | when my player was new it reseted for my too, but for quite a while it just shuts down |
00:56:10 | LinusN | that's weird |
00:56:31 | Rincewind_12 | I hope this is not a sign that the reset won't work some time in the future... |
00:56:36 | x1jmp | maybe changed by an update of the original firmware? |
00:56:52 | LinusN | it's a hardware thing |
00:57:05 | LinusN | tha firmware can't control the reset |
00:57:37 | Rincewind_12 | I didn't open my player yet, btw. |
00:57:59 | x1jmp | I also didn't and it never restarted |
00:58:50 | LinusN | well, if you only have the original firmware, it may look as if it turns off |
00:59:19 | LinusN | because the original bootloader turns off if the On button isn't pressed when it starts |
00:59:25 | |apo| | I just watched a 45-minutes-firework. |
00:59:27 | |apo| | :D |
00:59:53 | LinusN | some versions of the rockbox bootloader does that too |
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01:00:07 | Rincewind_12 | I have bootloader v6 (my first was v5) |
01:00:26 | x1jmp | I'm also using v6 |
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01:02:40 | Rince1312 | my conncetion broke |
01:02:42 | LinusN | ok, i see that the latest bootloader does this (i'm always running experimental bootloaders mysepf) |
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01:03:20 | LinusN | and i also see why it then starts the original, that is a bug |
01:04:46 | petur | btw, Linus, am I correct that we still miss something for h3x0 power management (that usb hub/pc selection in retailos)? (sorry to bump into the conversation) |
01:05:02 | LinusN | petur: correct |
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01:05:41 | petur | does it depend on some connection on the pcb we don't know yet? |
01:06:00 | LinusN | i don't think so |
01:06:20 | LinusN | i believe the patch in the tracker does it right |
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01:11:47 | x1jmp | LinusN: can you give some advice for pcmbuf_beep? |
01:12:02 | sharpe | should i just throw something into the conversation to sound important? |
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01:12:25 | LinusN | x1jmp: yes, fix the bug :-) |
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01:13:56 | x1jmp | I just wanted to come back to a previous topic... |
01:14:35 | LinusN | x1jmp: are you writing a plugin? |
01:15:17 | LinusN | x1jmp: try this, as a debugging test: |
01:15:19 | x1jmp | LinusN: yes, I want to generate morse codes :-) |
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01:17:36 | LinusN | in firmware/pcm_playback.c, line 514, add a call to dma_stop() before dma_start() |
01:18:04 | LinusN | as a test |
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01:22:38 | x1jmp | i recompiled and copied rockbox.iriver, that had no effect |
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01:23:42 | LinusN | damn |
01:27:26 | LinusN | does it hang immediately? |
01:27:47 | x1jmp | right after the first beep |
01:28:43 | LinusN | and the first beep is 100ms? |
01:30:20 | x1jmp | in that case it was 300ms |
01:30:32 | x1jmp | but a single 100ms beep worked |
01:30:37 | LinusN | and how long delay between beeps? |
01:32:43 | x1jmp | 100ms (although it didn't sound so) |
01:33:22 | LinusN | you do know that the beep function returns immediately, before the beep is finished? |
01:36:26 | x1jmp | no... it never looked like it really does |
01:38:15 | LinusN | in any case, it shouldn't freeze |
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01:44:04 | petur | strange, my build for h340 errors out on demystify.c, I already did configure and make clean... |
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01:56:00 | LinusN | gotta sleep |
01:56:03 | LinusN | nite all |
01:56:06 | petur | me too |
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03:15:36 | Amien | i'v installed the ipod theme for rockbox .. but the text is all white now .. how can i change the theme without using rockbox? |
03:15:49 | Amien | what file do i need to edit to change the startup theme |
03:20:23 | scorche | Amien: just clear your options...while booting up, turn the hold switch on |
03:20:43 | Amien | but then all my settings are gone? |
03:21:01 | scorche | have you not saved your settings in a file? |
03:21:17 | Amien | no |
03:21:31 | scorche | then yes...all your settings will be gone |
03:21:50 | sharpe | hehehe... |
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03:30:12 | saratoga | Did Josh ever come back asking about the 3G port? |
03:30:16 | saratoga | i never check IRC |
03:30:37 | saratoga | if he does, or if someone knows who he is, could they have him PM me on the forums or whatever? |
03:31:01 | saratoga | i'm half interested in working on it, so if hes doing it, I'd like to talk to him |
03:31:08 | saratoga | thanks |
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05:11:00 | fiftyfour123 | i have 2 partitions on my ipod one fat32 and the other HFS being the primary partition, i am trying to boot rockbox off the fat32 partition through the ipodlinux loader 2, and i cant seem to get it to boot. will this work or not? |
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05:26:18 | JdGordon | who knows where the option to recursivly insert directories is? i cant find the option in the menus :p |
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05:29:52 | scorche | under playlist options |
05:30:47 | JdGordon | grr.. cheers, wasnt expecting it there :p |
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05:46:25 | Mikachu | see, i told you the menu layout was confusing |
05:52:53 | scorche | well, it DOES have to do with playlist options... |
05:53:20 | scorche | onw would just think that playlist options should be under general settings |
05:53:23 | scorche | *one |
05:55:26 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MenuLayoutDiscussion |
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06:11:29 | JdGordon | Mikachu: ive seen that and agree with most of it.. but no matter how u fix it its still gonna be too complex |
06:13:05 | Mikachu | i think it can at least be sorted a bit better |
06:13:15 | Mikachu | it's only a suggestion layout |
06:13:31 | sharpe | hmm. |
06:13:54 | sharpe | i've an idea, and it's not really rockbox related... |
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06:17:30 | JdGordon | well dont keep it to yourself sharpe... we all want ideas... |
06:17:44 | sharpe | :) |
06:18:34 | sharpe | it's funny defragmenting a drive that has ~60 gigs used... |
06:21:11 | sharpe | oh noes! i've a scratch that's noticeable... |
06:25:42 | JdGordon | ... goodbye resale value :p |
06:26:15 | sharpe | but wait, i can buy over-priced products online ! |
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08:15:39 | sepht | Anyone here? |
08:16:01 | sepht | Anyways, anyone know where I can find a download link for the rockboy plugin? |
08:16:15 | sepht | cookies to whoever helps me :-D |
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08:22:05 | midkay | sepht, it's included in the daily builds. |
08:22:55 | midkay | do i get the cookies fedex express, or.. ground..? express would be better for me, i might not be around at some point next week... |
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08:29:40 | midkay | aw, virtual ones? :( |
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08:29:55 | midkay | what a waste of my time. |
08:30:01 | * | midkay throws them into Recycle Bin |
08:31:14 | sepht | midkay: really? |
08:31:24 | midkay | really what? |
08:31:27 | sepht | shouldn't there be like a rockboy.rock file somewhere? |
08:31:40 | midkay | yes, it would be in /.rockbox/viewers. |
08:32:03 | midkay | you can't run it from browse plugins, because you need to launch it via a .gb or .gbc file anyways. |
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08:54:52 | * | JdGordon would have to agree with sharpe on that one... |
08:54:55 | * | midkay shows the back of his right hand to sharpe up-close |
08:55:44 | * | sharpe notices that midkay does not know the back of his right hand as well as he should |
08:55:58 | midkay | .. before his vision fades out to black |
08:56:42 | sharpe | oh no! a black piece of paper! |
08:57:48 | midkay | hahaha. |
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09:03:05 | sharpe | well, not like i have to be anywhere today... |
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09:09:48 | midkay | scorche, bastard.. i was waiting for you and you didn't show. |
09:10:04 | scorche | i'm sorry! |
09:10:07 | scorche | next time |
09:10:14 | scorche | we will "git im gud" |
09:13:49 | scorche | ha...i looked at this....then i remembered about our little topic in here =P |
09:13:50 | scorche | http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/06/07/02/0014233.shtml |
09:16:42 | midkay | haha. |
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11:52:11 | linuxstb | fiftyfour123: (If you read this in the logs) - Rockbox doesn't understand the Apple Partition Map (APM) which I am assuming your HFS-formatted ipod is using. So just adding a FAT32 partition to that disk won't work - you'll either need to add APM support to Rockbox or repartition to use a MBR partition map. |
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12:33:41 | huerlima | hi, i am not very familiar with c coding...can anybody help me with this error:warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast. it appears when i just initialize a variable char n; and then try to assign something to it. n = "ultrashorttime"; |
12:33:45 | huerlima | why? |
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12:34:57 | huerlima | n is not a pointer i thought. and i am trying to assign a string to it... where is the problem? |
12:36:21 | merbanan | huerlima: you need a *char for a string |
12:36:34 | merbanan | this is basic c, find a tutorial |
12:37:24 | huerlima | i know... i bought two books and am trying to figure it out since three hours... |
12:39:23 | merbanan | huerlima: http://www.macdonald.egate.net/CompSci/hstrings.html |
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14:48:09 | tucoz | Bagder, wikispam |
14:48:51 | tucoz | Bagder, very suspicious at least. Lot's of strange names registered today |
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14:51:08 | Genre9mp3 | can't we do something about it? It's really annoying |
14:51:56 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, I know. There are some things that could be done, but I think the administrators should do it. |
14:52:13 | Genre9mp3 | Can we somehow, help? |
14:52:15 | tucoz | I read about a blacklist plugin on the twiki site |
14:52:36 | Genre9mp3 | I mean, can we delete those entries ourselves, or only the admins? |
14:53:01 | tucoz | Not sure what we can do about this kind of spam, but when people add invisible links to some page we can simply edit the page and remove those links |
14:53:21 | tucoz | and report the spammer to Bagder, LinusN or Zagor |
14:54:38 | tucoz | it might be possible to remove the entries, not sure. But, I think it's best to leave that to the admins til we hear something else |
14:54:48 | tucoz | for them to be able to block ip's etc. |
14:55:25 | Genre9mp3 | PrPr, BuyPhentermine, MartaFlo, LoKi, GroMor, RobbyWilliams, AdminBags & AdminSpam are surely spam |
14:55:40 | tucoz | hehe, no shit |
14:55:51 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
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14:58:04 | tucoz | Genre9mp3, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WikiSpam |
14:58:25 | Genre9mp3 | Oh... and MartinArver is spam :P |
14:58:28 | tucoz | hehe |
14:58:31 | tucoz | really? |
14:58:34 | Genre9mp3 | hehe |
14:58:36 | tucoz | someone changed that? |
14:59:36 | tucoz | :) |
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15:01:10 | tucoz | they should definitley install the Black List Plugin (in case they haven't done so already) |
15:02:11 | Genre9mp3 | Well, let's hope it will help |
15:03:08 | Genre9mp3 | I heard of some suggesting to leave the Twiki system and go for Mediawiki |
15:03:55 | tucoz | Wonder if such a migration is easy |
15:04:30 | Genre9mp3 | Wikipedia uses Mediawiki, right? |
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15:05:46 | tucoz | yes, I think so. Maybe a modified version of that |
15:06:26 | Genre9mp3 | "Historically, MediaWiki was developed to serve the needs of Wikipedia" from a... Wikipedia article :) |
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15:06:56 | tucoz | cool |
15:07:16 | tucoz | got to go |
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15:07:34 | Genre9mp3 | But anyway, maybe it's too much work to switch to Mediawiki |
15:08:30 | JdGordon | has anyone else had trouble getting gcc working under ubuntu 6.06? |
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15:12:00 | tucoz | JdGordon: No, works fine here |
15:12:57 | Hansmaulwurf | btw, whats the sense of wikispam? |
15:13:00 | JdGordon | brand new install and i cant get gcc to work :'( im not getting my coding fix for the nite |
15:13:25 | Genre9mp3 | Hansmaulwurf: nonsense |
15:13:32 | Hansmaulwurf | ah ok |
15:13:33 | JdGordon | ah :) seems to be working now |
15:13:39 | JdGordon | the dependancioes are all wrong :p |
15:13:42 | tucoz | Hansmaulwurf: to use googles hit rank for rockbox for instance, for your spam |
15:13:52 | tucoz | (if that made sense) |
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15:15:01 | Hansmaulwurf | the funniest thing are their NO.SPAM mail accounts ^^ |
15:15:25 | tucoz | hehe |
15:15:28 | JdGordon | the NO.SPAM is added to every email |
15:15:32 | JdGordon | isnt it? |
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15:20:44 | Hansmaulwurf | Who is the Kevin who added the id-tag-info for the remote |
15:21:23 | Hansmaulwurf | coz with the latest bleeding edge I cant exit the id-tag-info with remote buttons |
15:24:13 | Genre9mp3 | Very impressive design... |
15:24:16 | JdGordon | weeee... cross compilers finnaly compiling |
15:24:49 | JdGordon | wow Genre9mp3, wtf is that? |
15:25:28 | Genre9mp3 | It's a 2000$ portable recorder.... |
15:26:30 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=35071 |
15:30:18 | Hansmaulwurf | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5059.msg39158#msg39158 <−−- anyone? |
15:32:06 | Genre9mp3 | Hansmaulwurf: I think Kevin is TiMiD |
15:36:25 | Hansmaulwurf | ok |
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15:46:29 | JdGordon | anyone around? |
15:47:32 | JdGordon | bah, damn, dw |
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16:12:17 | user01 | is rockbox still developing ogg playback on the ipod 4g grayscale? |
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16:13:36 | user01 | i was suprised at how buggy ogg playback is skipping on my files like 20% of the time during playback |
16:14:06 | PaulJam | i'm sure that after the feature freeze the ogg playback will be improved on ipods. |
16:14:36 | PaulJam | user01: are you using a wps with a peakmeter? |
16:14:56 | user01 | i hope so...the games are cool and stuff...but audio playback is the most important i think... |
16:15:26 | user01 | PaulJam: the default screen i just installed it...would turning it off help? |
16:15:48 | PaulJam | yes, the peakmeter eats a lot of cpu time. |
16:16:11 | user01 | thats the two horizontal bars at the bottom? |
16:16:19 | PaulJam | yes |
16:16:27 | user01 | how do i turn them off? |
16:16:51 | PaulJam | you need to load another wps/theme that has no peakmeters |
16:17:16 | user01 | rockboxdefault? |
16:17:57 | user01 | is there a way to figure out what theme uses the least? |
16:19:07 | user01 | skips ith iamp |
16:19:20 | PaulJam | you could try the iCatcher theme or look in the WpsGallery |
16:21:05 | user01 | PaulJam: its working better now :) |
16:21:10 | user01 | icatcher |
16:21:54 | user01 | hmmm skipped once... |
16:25:52 | user01 | PaulJam: how do i find the more minimal playback wps? skipped twice... i checked the gallery, but not sure which one would be the most basic |
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16:28:04 | Zweiundvierzig | Just make one yourself, it's pretty easy |
16:28:28 | user01 | Zweiundvierzig: ok where are the instructions? |
16:28:32 | PaulJam | does it skip when you are in the browser or in the menu? |
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16:28:41 | Zweiundvierzig | One second |
16:29:12 | Zweiundvierzig | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
16:29:31 | Genre9mp3 | ...or you can just remove the peak meters from rockbox_default |
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16:30:53 | user01 | PaulJam: if it does skip in the menu there is probably nothing i can do right? |
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16:31:41 | PaulJam | user01: yes, i think so. but i can't say for sure, i don' own an ipod. |
16:32:53 | user01 | PaulJam: weird that flac plays better than ogg...unless the decompression takes more cycle time with ogg |
16:33:21 | PaulJam | flac is less complex than ogg |
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16:33:50 | Zweiundvierzig | [16:30:53] <user01> PaulJam: if it does skip in the menu there is probably nothing i can do right? < Scroll slowly ^^; |
16:34:15 | Zweiundvierzig | I always notice that when I scroll too quickly it skips |
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16:35:18 | PaulJam | Zweiundvierzig: i wanted to know if it skips if he doesn't scroll at all |
16:35:21 | user01 | PaulJam: from the menu it didnt skip on one file it skipped like crazy on default, and skipped 3 times on icatcher |
16:35:23 | Zweiundvierzig | Oh |
16:36:36 | user01 | PaulJam: so i guess i should just go out to the menu on playback :) |
16:37:14 | Schu | Hmm, I'm trying to look on the site, but it's a little vague. I'm looking at buying a DAP, but basically want it to play files gaplessly (NOT crossfade), and I also want to play flac files. So which DAPs have these features added with rockbox? |
16:37:15 | PaulJam | user01: or you could try if it helps to create a wps that shows only minimal info and without graphics |
16:37:41 | user01 | PaulJam: thanks im on vacation in colombia and have to go climb mountains...ill have to work on it when i get back in a week |
16:38:01 | linuxstb_ | Schu: All of the supported ones on the front page apart from the Archos models. The iriver H1x0 and H3x0 are the best supported in Rockbox at the moment. |
16:38:26 | linuxstb_ | (the ipods and iaudio x5 are still in the early stages of developement) |
16:38:31 | Schu | thanks linuxstb_ |
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16:38:59 | idnar | the X5 works pretty well already, though |
16:39:30 | Schu | so I guess Archos's don't because of the hardware decoder |
16:39:47 | linuxstb_ | How's the battery life on the X5? Both the irivers now out-perform the original firmware when running Rockbox. |
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16:40:10 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: AFAIK, not good |
16:42:06 | linuxstb_ | Schu: Yes - they have a very slow CPU but a DSP which takes care of the MP3 decoding. The CPU probably wouldn't be able to decode FLAC, but WAV playback has just become possible. |
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16:42:27 | Schu | haha |
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16:42:58 | Schu | I guess that's rules that out of my shopping list |
16:43:15 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8574 |
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16:44:01 | Schu | no players since the famous rio karma have had gapless in the original firmware, right? |
16:44:32 | Genre9mp3 | Schu: Most probably |
16:44:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: You should suggest to them that they create a http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/IaudioRuntime page in our Wiki for Rockbox runtime tests, to go along with the IpodRuntime and IriverRuntime ones |
16:45:32 | linuxstb_ | Genre9mp3: I'm surprised by that - it's worse than the ipods... |
16:46:14 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Sure but I am not posting on iaudiophile.net actually... I was just curious one day and searched for that... besides, I don't have an X5 |
16:46:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
16:46:57 | Genre9mp3 | AFAIK, it's 15 hours with iAudio original fw |
16:47:19 | PaulJam | maybe it is a similar problem like on the h300, the iaudio also has usbotg. |
16:48:11 | Genre9mp3 | PaulJam: Yes, it could be that, too... but besides that, the Power managment is on early stages on X5 |
16:48:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I was reading to see if they say more about the test conditions later on. |
16:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | What we need is a .cfg file, and a playlist of Free audio files (mp3s preferably) available at the battery_bench wiki page, so that in the future everyone can run battery bench under as identical conditions as we can come up with. |
16:50:42 | Genre9mp3 | Does anybody know, if H300 is capable of 24bit 96Khz wav playback? Does rockbox support that on swcodec targets? |
16:51:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't the max for the Hxxx's 20/48? Or 20/44? |
16:51:08 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's supported. But it will be downsampled to 16-bit/44.1KHz. |
16:51:25 | Genre9mp3 | ok...thanx guys |
16:51:50 | linuxstb_ | The ipods should be able to support it (the DAC goes up to 24-bit/96KHz) but it's not implemented yet. |
16:52:22 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: Hmmm...didn't knew that about iPods |
16:52:55 | Genre9mp3 | So it depends on the DAC and not on fw |
16:53:18 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the Coldfire-based players are limited to 11.025KHz, 22.050KHz and 44.100KHz. The ipods can do a much wider range of samplerates up to 96KHz. |
16:54:15 | linuxstb_ | In theory the Coldfire players can do 20-bit playback, but AFAIK, it would mean not using DMA, and it hasn't been implemented. |
16:55:16 | Schu | is there a list of features for rockbox anywhere? |
16:55:21 | Genre9mp3 | Cool to know that with rockbox you can playback these files, downsampled at least |
16:55:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Schu: The "Why Choose Rockbox" link on the front page. |
16:55:54 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but you would be better off by converting to 16-bit/44.1KHz on your PC using a higher quality resampler. |
16:56:05 | Schu | ah, cheers |
16:56:28 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: ok, good to know |
16:56:43 | linuxstb_ | Genre9mp3: Also, I'm not sure how many codecs support it. I know FLAC does (I tested it), and I would expect the WAV codec to as well. |
16:57:15 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb_: I think also vorbis supports that, but I'm not sure |
16:57:20 | preglow | codecs support what? 24 bit output? |
16:57:38 | linuxstb_ | 24-bit/96KHz files. |
16:57:39 | Schu | AHA! Minesweeper plugin, I love rockbox now! |
16:57:54 | preglow | not much point in supporting 96khz files for lossy codecs |
16:58:00 | preglow | most of our codecs can do 24 bit output |
16:58:04 | Schu | shame I can't plug a mouse in or something! :P |
16:58:04 | preglow | already do, as a matter of fact |
16:58:34 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: Yes, you are right, 24bit lossy is pointless |
16:58:38 | * | Schu is 3rd best in Australia, 81st in the world for minesweeper |
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16:59:29 | preglow | Genre9mp3: 24 bit lossy isn't pointless, and as a matter of fact, most of our lossy codecs output at around 24 bit or even higher |
16:59:36 | preglow | 96khz lossy is pointless |
16:59:50 | preglow | since the encoder would toss away all frequencies above 20khz anyway, since we can't hear them |
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17:00:01 | Genre9mp3 | I was wondering though, if someone can detect differences between 16bit & 24bit or 44Khz/96Khz... |
17:00:08 | telliott_ | Does TagCache handle large drives and collections yet? |
17:00:32 | preglow | Genre9mp3: there are people who claim the can |
17:01:41 | merbanan | Genre9mp3: 16bit & 24bit should be easy to differ if you reach the high or low end of the dynamic range of 16bits |
17:01:49 | preglow | especially the low |
17:02:04 | Genre9mp3 | preglow: claim or do? (ABX testing) |
17:02:12 | preglow | Genre9mp3: most just claim, heh |
17:02:39 | preglow | some very quiet passages of classical music probably do sound bad in 16 bit audio |
17:02:47 | preglow | not as bad if dithered, but anyway |
17:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just wondering: I recently ended up with a free sound system, has a digital in and out, but they're COAX. Anyone know how likely there will be of a noticeable delay for a coax -> Optical, or Optical-> Coax digital conversion? |
17:03:32 | * | Genre9mp3 wonders what will be the next standard after Audio-CDs |
17:03:41 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: not likely at all |
17:03:59 | linuxstb_ | Genre9mp3: Lossy downloads with DRM... |
17:04:15 | Genre9mp3 | with what? ewwwwwwwwwwww |
17:04:33 | preglow | hahaha |
17:04:38 | preglow | that'll mark the point at which i stop buying music |
17:04:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, in most cases (music output from the DAP) there's no reason for a small delay of any sort to bother me, but the other use for a converter would be gaming, where sound sync is more noticeable. |
17:04:56 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: in that context any latency would be 100% neglibable |
17:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay |
17:05:12 | preglow | just spelled correctly |
17:05:18 | linuxstb_ | I like the dvd-audio standard - not so much for high-resolution audio, but its flexibility to use any samplerate from 44.1KHz up to 192KHz and the long playback time. |
17:05:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
17:05:22 | merbanan | Paul_The_Nerd: look up the latency of tp -> fiber converters |
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17:05:33 | preglow | linuxstb_: i don't like the copy protection schemes... |
17:05:35 | linuxstb_ | But no-one bothered to make audio-only DVD-Audio players... |
17:05:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rhythm games are getting more and more frustrating, with HDTV lag and bleh. |
17:05:51 | preglow | audio only dvd-audio players do exist |
17:05:52 | linuxstb_ | preglow: It's optional (and hacked now). |
17:06:02 | preglow | with analogue only outputs |
17:06:04 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I haven't seen any apart from in-car models. |
17:06:05 | preglow | linuxstb_: it is? cool |
17:06:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if his thing supports DVD Audio. |
17:06:23 | linuxstb_ | See my project here for info: http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net |
17:06:38 | linuxstb_ | I spent a few months last year reverse-engineering DVD-Audio... |
17:06:42 | preglow | 192khz, ahahahha |
17:06:50 | preglow | overkill x 4 |
17:07:33 | Genre9mp3 | DRM stands for Disgusting Rights Management, right? |
17:07:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Digital Rental Methodology" |
17:07:44 | telliott_ | I love DVD-Audio and SACD |
17:07:58 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: LOL |
17:08:04 | Schu | about the minesweeper plugin...... |
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17:08:40 | Schu | I actually know a guy who has done a very proffesiional looking version that is now used by the best players |
17:08:46 | preglow | i don't really know what to think about sacd |
17:08:48 | preglow | i like pcm... |
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17:09:15 | Schu | the screenshot I see on the page looks pretty primitive |
17:09:36 | dionoea | it was made to work on an archos recorder's screen :) |
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17:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Schu: It's open source. All someone has to do is post a patch with either a replacement, or an updated version on the tracker. |
17:10:14 | Schu | OK |
17:10:26 | linuxstb_ | But it seems both SACD and DVD-Audio have failed to make any impact at all though. |
17:10:54 | Schu | i'll see if I can get him interested (especially if I'm going to use it :D) |
17:12:09 | telliott_ | Those Elton John SACD's are killer! |
17:12:23 | linuxstb_ | The challenge is to make Minesweeper look good on all devices with LCDs ranging from mono 112x64 up to colour 320x240. |
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17:12:48 | * | Genre9mp3 curses the sudden rain |
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17:13:10 | g0n | hi ho all ^^ |
17:13:26 | g0n | i have a question ;) |
17:13:40 | Genre9mp3 | g0n: Go for it |
17:13:42 | g0n | the plugin " doom " on the rockbox firmware |
17:14:06 | g0n | is this a game? is it the Game : Doom ? Firstperson shooter ?? :D |
17:14:21 | Genre9mp3 | g0n: Yes |
17:14:26 | g0n | nice ^^ |
17:14:38 | g0n | äähm another question ^^ |
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17:14:53 | g0n | when i start the game, the player told me that a .wad file is missing ... |
17:15:09 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
17:15:15 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginDoom |
17:15:15 | linuxstb_ | ^instructions |
17:15:16 | maeka | so who do I have to pay (and how much) to speed up codec improvements on the ipod? |
17:16:25 | Schu | 112x64 might look good but only for very small minesweeper grids.... |
17:17:25 | g0n | very nice thx ;) |
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17:17:41 | g0n | i have a H340 iRiver, do it wokrs on it ? (the game) |
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17:18:21 | preglow | maeka: first we need to get 3.0 out the door, then you can start paying me :> |
17:18:29 | Genre9mp3 | g0n: Yes |
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17:19:28 | maeka | for I don't care about anything but the skipping at this point. Not being alone, I could raise enough case to fuel a couple of weekends of dedicated codec tweaking. |
17:19:40 | maeka | *cash |
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17:20:10 | g0n | ok thx ;) i love ROCK Box ;D Have a nice day / night ;) cya we'll see us soon i think ^^ |
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17:20:23 | Llorean | Yes, but which codec? |
17:21:01 | maeka | mp3 is the most widely used, so start there. |
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17:21:29 | maeka | skipping APS encodes are no fun. |
17:21:39 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't mp3 optimised enough? |
17:21:54 | Llorean | Are you sure the work wouldn't be better focused somewhere else? |
17:21:59 | Llorean | Maybe an area that might improve all performance? |
17:22:36 | maeka | That, I don't know. I've been told the reason for the skipping is less than idealy tweaked codecs. |
17:22:55 | Llorean | The reason for skipping is that a lot of stuff needs optimizing. |
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17:24:09 | maeka | a little bird has wispered in my ear that the devs are not to much in favour of bounties, prefer donations |
17:24:44 | maeka | But, I'll be honest, I fear spending money on a new theme. |
17:24:57 | Llorean | A new theme? |
17:24:58 | pijulius | hi all, could someone please help me with rockbootloader? I have a problem with booting into original firmware. |
17:25:19 | preglow | maeka: some devs might like bounties |
17:25:24 | preglow | but not too many are into codec optimising |
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17:25:35 | maeka | it's tough work. |
17:25:54 | Llorean | And bounties also often come from people who want to influence the direction work is being done. |
17:25:57 | pijulius | the problem is that if I add some arrays "short"s to the ipod.c , the original firmware won't load, otherwise everything works fine |
17:26:07 | linuxstb_ | maeka: Which ipod do you have? |
17:26:28 | * | Llorean doesn't have a problem with even moderately high bitrate MP3s on his iPod. |
17:27:01 | maeka | 5g 60 |
17:27:24 | linuxstb_ | And you've tried the usual tricks to get flawless playback? |
17:27:26 | maeka | Llorean - even when scrolling? |
17:27:44 | Llorean | Scrolling is display and button driver code... |
17:27:49 | maeka | usual tricks being no replaygain, no eq, and no crossfade? |
17:27:58 | linuxstb_ | Yes :) |
17:27:58 | Llorean | And no peakmeter in your WPS. |
17:28:10 | linuxstb_ | Or at least, not everything. |
17:28:32 | linuxstb_ | Or leaving the WPS during playback and leaving your ipod sitting in a menu. |
17:29:39 | Llorean | linuxstb_: You could also just remove all the %s'es from a WPS, and no peakmeters or progress bar. |
17:29:58 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: So you'll end up with a WPM! :) |
17:29:59 | linuxstb_ | But that would still be more LCD updates than doing nothing in a menu. |
17:30:09 | Llorean | I suppose. |
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17:31:19 | maeka | I don't use a peakmeter - but that is a major resource hog? |
17:31:31 | Llorean | It causes the screen to redraw a lot. |
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17:32:17 | maeka | I'll try going w/o scrolling text - but lordy some GY!BE tracks have _long_ names. |
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17:32:53 | maeka | thankyou for the chat, I guess I just drop a donation and not be a dick of a backseat driver. |
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17:33:40 | linuxstb_ | It's not as if all the devs are happy with the current ipod performance - things will be improved after 3.0 is out. |
17:34:01 | Llorean | Yeah, it's not how things are supposed to be working, just where they are for the moment. |
17:34:47 | maeka | so the push is to get 3.0 out the door, then setting onto performance issues? |
17:34:54 | maeka | *settle |
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17:35:16 | Llorean | Well, it's a feature freeze, so things that don't affect 3.0 targets aren't supposed to be worked on at all. |
17:35:29 | Llorean | 3.0 is a non-iPod release, so iPod-only performance issues have nothing to do with it. |
17:36:56 | Schu | Does anyone know of a kind of emulation site that shows you how different players interface? |
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17:38:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | There we go. I wish I knew why this client wouldn't connect before. |
17:38:39 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Which client? |
17:38:40 | PaulJam | Schu: there are uisimulators for the rockbox targets, but you have to compile them yourself. |
17:39:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Gaim. It has something to do with the 'borrowed' nature of my current internet connection. I'll have a proper one in less than 24 hours though. |
17:39:22 | Schu | that's pretty cool |
17:39:35 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: ok |
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17:41:03 | Schu | ah just found it |
17:41:20 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: XavierGr tought me a little trick to kill Ghost nicks |
17:41:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I know how to kill 'em |
17:42:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just didn't feel like doing it through the webclient. |
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17:42:19 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Oh, I see |
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17:44:44 | maeka | One last question, are all ipods "created equal" when it comes to rockbox performance at this time? Or are some models experiencing more skipping than others? |
17:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 5Gs have the worst skipping. |
17:48:00 | maeka | no kidding |
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18:02:21 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: ;) |
18:02:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
18:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | 24 hours and I have my own internet again. |
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18:03:52 | Genre9mp3 | Glad you didn't say : 24 hours and I have the internet for my own! :P |
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18:10:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, no, I'm not taking it over for another year or two. These things take time. |
18:11:05 | Genre9mp3 | haha |
18:11:33 | linuxstb | Can you do something about those spammers? Something medieval... |
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18:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
18:12:26 | Massa | Hi everybody! |
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18:17:23 | Genre9mp3 | Hallo Massa |
18:18:02 | Genre9mp3 | (better late than never) ;) |
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18:38:25 | Schu | I'm just curious, since lossless codecs are intrinsically gapless, are there any players other than the karma that play lossless foles gaplessly (read: doesn't actually enforce or require a gap)? |
18:38:36 | Schu | with original firmware that is |
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18:49:11 | linuxstb_ | Schu: No, I don't know of any gapless DAPs apart from the Karma and Rockbox. |
18:49:46 | Schu | well, i don't think it would actually require it to be gapless as such |
18:50:07 | Schu | but I doubt what I'm thinking about exists anyway |
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18:52:37 | Paul_The_Ner1 | Schu: Most players don't take the extra steps necessary to ensure that no gap is inserted between songs while decoding / playback of the next file begins. |
18:52:53 | linuxstb_ | All players? |
18:53:20 | Schu | i know |
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18:54:43 | Schu | I'm just disappointed in Cowon, that they add support for ogg and flac which are perfect for gapless, and they just don't bother |
18:55:10 | Schu | they go 90% of the way and just drop out at the last moment |
18:56:05 | Schu | good on ya rockbox! Seeya. |
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19:11:03 | spiorf | hi, how can i make a screenshot of a theme? |
19:11:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Enable screendump in the debug menu |
19:11:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then when you plug in a USB cable, it takes a screenshot instead of connecting. |
19:11:51 | spiorf | thanks Paul_The_Nerd |
19:12:26 | sharpe | hmm... |
19:12:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm? |
19:12:49 | sharpe | That's it. Hmm... |
19:12:51 | spiorf | that's a nice interface |
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19:13:41 | sharpe | I need to think of some ideas for plugins sometime today... |
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19:37:23 | MrShlee | My Iriver H340 just bricker.. i'm sure it has nothing to do with rockbox. |
19:37:27 | MrShlee | :( |
19:37:44 | sharpe | Oh noes! |
19:37:58 | Genre9mp3 | MrShlee: How that happened? |
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19:39:27 | spiorf | i just uploaded a new ipod nano theme |
19:39:52 | spiorf | can the white apple logo give copyright problems? |
19:40:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Very likely |
19:40:15 | MrShlee | It ran low on battery.. turned itself off and hasn't restarted |
19:40:25 | MrShlee | no spin.. no activity.. |
19:40:45 | MrShlee | plug power.. usb.. reset.. boot into rockbox. boot into iriver firmware |
19:40:49 | MrShlee | complete brick :( |
19:41:12 | MrShlee | plus if I hold the thing upto my face to hear if its spinning with the power plugged in.. I get a small shock |
19:41:16 | MrShlee | bad earthing I think |
19:41:39 | idnar | eek |
19:42:02 | MrShlee | :( |
19:42:08 | MrShlee | I miss it already. |
19:42:22 | MrShlee | if it ever boots again.. I'll make it auto shutdown at 35% or something |
19:42:22 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...sounds bad |
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19:44:57 | Genre9mp3 | I suggest leave it for some period of time and then insert the charger to see if it makes it to charge |
19:46:45 | Genre9mp3 | or better try to boot into rockbox and if it does insert immediately the charger |
19:48:36 | MrShlee | Maybe i'll get lucky |
19:48:40 | MrShlee | ohh well |
19:49:42 | Genre9mp3 | But if it's only a battery problem, your player is not bricked |
19:50:05 | PaulJam | btw, i think on the iriver devices it's normal if you get shocked when you touch the metal parts if the charger is inserted and you are well grunded yourself. |
19:50:08 | MrShlee | I don't know if it was low battery.. |
19:50:14 | MrShlee | or if the thing just blew |
19:50:44 | Genre9mp3 | How much battery life did you get before that happens? |
19:51:18 | MrShlee | no idea.. |
19:51:28 | MrShlee | Guessing.. it was fairly low |
19:52:17 | MrShlee | I was in my car. driving around for a few hours |
19:52:17 | Genre9mp3 | As I said leave it for the night and then try to boot rockbox...maybe it's just the battery |
19:52:30 | MrShlee | Hopefully. |
19:52:33 | MrShlee | night.. |
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19:52:50 | Genre9mp3 | If everything goes well, the next thing you have to do, is replace it |
19:53:00 | Genre9mp3 | Oh..he left.. |
19:54:37 | Genre9mp3 | BTW, charging in bootloader would be good to have |
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19:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do believe it's planned for the next bootloader version, but I'm not sure |
19:56:56 | Genre9mp3 | This is not due in 3.0 though, right? |
19:57:31 | * | petur points at Linus |
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19:57:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, 3.0 is supposed to have a "final" bootloader version, or at least a "release" one |
19:58:22 | Genre9mp3 | Hmmm... Yes...it's on "Other goals for release" in ReleaseTodo page |
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20:02:08 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Now that it came to my mind...how's your Sansa going? |
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20:02:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I haven't done much of anything with it, as I'm not really able to do anything yet, but it seems like progress is being made. It'd be nice if Sandisk helped a bit more though. |
20:03:48 | Genre9mp3 | I suppose that BDM is not possible with the PortalPlayer chip, right? |
20:04:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
20:04:16 | Genre9mp3 | (not that I know much of BDM actually...) |
20:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I've just been told it isn't. |
20:06:02 | Genre9mp3 | And how hard it will be to make a bootloader without it? |
20:06:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, progress is being made in reverse engineering the firmware update file format. And it looks like the Sansa might be "safe" (similar to how iPods are) in which case it won't be as bad as it could be. |
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20:16:35 | Bagder | try the newest mi4code.c now |
20:16:53 | Bagder | now deals with the sansa ones |
20:17:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It decodes the Sansa MI4s? |
20:17:16 | Bagder | yeps |
20:17:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nice |
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20:20:13 | Bagder | time to try to modify a firmware and upgrade to one |
20:21:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you think the Recovery mode is a safe haven in case something goes wrong? |
20:21:38 | Bagder | I do |
20:21:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does seem likely. |
20:22:03 | Genre9mp3 | What's this Recovery mode? |
20:22:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Sansas can be booted into a "Recovery Mode" which offers USB connectivity with access to 16mb of space. You can upload a bootloader rom and mi4 file and it'll automatically update to them when you unplug USB. |
20:22:39 | sharpe | a mode in which you can recover it. |
20:22:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also if there's a sansa.fmt file it will reformat the disk, it seems. |
20:23:24 | sharpe | so i suppose then for the sansas, the bootloader has a limit of around 16mb? |
20:24:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dunno. That's just how much the "disk" you have access to with recovery mode is. |
20:24:25 | sharpe | I see. |
20:24:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if it's a ramdrive. Then it'd be safe even if the disk formatting is broken. |
20:25:12 | sharpe | maybe it's on a flash chip? |
20:25:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's possible that it's that as well. |
20:27:09 | petur | maybe they reserved some space in the prog flash to create a small disk (have done that myself for a project already) |
20:27:27 | petur | but 16mb is a bit big |
20:27:50 | sharpe | as some say, "the bigger, the better..." heh... |
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20:28:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could as well simply be restricting your access to a limited portion of the normal "disk" |
20:28:25 | obo | anyone here with a 5g? |
20:28:31 | sharpe | are they flash-based or hdd-based? |
20:28:34 | sharpe | obo: aye. |
20:29:19 | obo | sharpe: could you test something? Could you compile a new bootloader, and write it as normal? |
20:29:34 | sharpe | sure... |
20:29:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Flash based. |
20:29:55 | sharpe | ah. |
20:29:58 | obo | sharpe: hangs here, and I've got no idea why... had to go back to one I built back in March |
20:30:11 | sharpe | obo: want me to update cvs? |
20:30:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | With an in-firmware option to switch from MTP to UMS (though they call it MSC) |
20:30:29 | sharpe | erph. get the latest cvs ? |
20:30:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | You "can't see" files transferred as MTP while in UMS mode (they're marked hidden. *gasp*) |
20:30:48 | obo | sharpe: yup |
20:31:02 | sharpe | alright |
20:33:39 | sharpe | obo: works fine here |
20:34:10 | obo | sharpe: okay, thanks |
20:34:30 | sharpe | welcome |
20:34:44 | sharpe | time to rebuild the customizable bootloader... woo! |
20:35:22 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: nice (about the recovery mode) |
20:35:40 | * | Genre9mp3 opens Sansa's manula to find more info |
20:35:48 | Genre9mp3 | ^manual |
20:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd probably like the Sansa itself quite a bit if I'd never used Rockbox. |
20:36:37 | Genre9mp3 | Hope to use it with Rockbox soon, then |
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20:37:22 | sharpe | if the recovery mode did write to the 'disk,' then couldn't we find that out if (assuming the uploaded files weren't overwritten for some reason) scan the disk for their remains? |
20:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | That being said, it's video capabilities are better than the very vocal complainer led me to believe. |
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20:38:48 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: To tell you the truth, though, if iAudio 6 had the same chances for Rockbox as the Sansa has, I would still go for it! |
20:38:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, yes, I know. :-P |
20:39:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly don't like touch-sensitive controls like the slider, or the wheel on the iPod. |
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20:39:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know if it's just me, but half the time they just cannot pick me up. |
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20:40:02 | Genre9mp3 | But anyway, atm what I'm trying to find is an Ondio! :P |
20:40:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
20:41:29 | Genre9mp3 | That's right....Rockbox is the No.1 feature ;) |
20:43:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I will say the Sansa has the second least audible hiss of all my players. |
20:44:00 | TeaSea | Paul_The_Nerd: Interesting. |
20:44:16 | TeaSea | jooc, what's the progress on rockbox support on the Sansa? I haven't looked into it yet. |
20:44:25 | TeaSea | Or are you not doing that? |
20:44:30 | TeaSea | And I totally missed the thing :D |
20:44:32 | Genre9mp3 | Which player is the first on that? |
20:44:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | And in fact, it's only really audible if there's no sound at all. |
20:44:48 | sharpe | wooho for low decibel sounds |
20:44:52 | sharpe | +o |
20:44:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The Archos JBR has less hiss than even the Sansa. |
20:44:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you can hear the HD spin up. |
20:45:47 | Genre9mp3 | Where this hiss come from? Which part of the hw? |
20:45:52 | RedBreva | spiorf: I have just added your theme to http://www.rockbox-themes.org along with the original ipod_Vision theme... Looks good ;-) |
20:45:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then comes the iPod Nano in third, with a noticeable hiss that I hear if I turn my music below about -60 -55 or so. On the iRivers (h120 and iFP-799) I hear it below about -45 or so. |
20:46:26 | sharpe | on a flash based 256mb mp3 player i had (before it fell prey to the washing machine), i could hear when the lcd's backlight was on even with music playing... |
20:46:46 | spiorf | RedBreva, :) |
20:47:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: You can hear the LED that lights up the scrollwheel on the Sansa. |
20:48:20 | sharpe | hmm... fun. |
20:48:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | The volume also doesn't go low enough for my tastes. |
20:49:12 | sharpe | i suppose it's a good thing when i can listen to my ipod at -57db... |
20:49:31 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Someone on MR reported that he hadn't no hiss at all (with his H340) by using an external amp (Ray Samuels hornet) but of course I'm not mad enough to pay $350 just for that (and also have another box to carry with) |
20:49:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | On my Nano one night, I kept lowering it and lowering it, and suddenly realized I was at -70 |
20:50:00 | Genre9mp3 | I mean hadn't any hiss |
20:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Yeah, an external amp can help with that alot. Also, not having low impedance phones with a high SPL will apparently help alot too, I've heard. ;) |
20:50:30 | sharpe | whenever i lend my ipod for people to listen to, they always end up turning it to around, -10, someone had it at 6 once... |
20:51:01 | obo | did their ears start to bleed? |
20:51:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, at +6 I can hear mine from across the room. |
20:51:28 | sharpe | i'm afraid they didn't obo. |
20:51:38 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: exactly |
20:51:48 | Genre9mp3 | +6 dB ???? |
20:52:14 | Genre9mp3 | Why isn't 0 dB the higher volume on iPods? |
20:52:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because they go higher than that? |
20:52:25 | sharpe | because they can go higheR? |
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20:52:40 | sharpe | ooh. |
20:52:51 | leftright | hardeep around |
20:53:01 | sharpe | ... Who wants to know? |
20:53:12 | leftright | who're you |
20:53:20 | spiorf | what battery capacity i have to set on the ipod nano? |
20:53:29 | Genre9mp3 | Isn't "0 dB" the max a device can give in Rockbox volume scale? |
20:53:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiorf: You can't set it to the right one yet. |
20:53:51 | spiorf | 1300 is the min |
20:53:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: No, 0dB means the device isn't modifying the gain level. It's outputting at line level. |
20:53:57 | sharpe | spiorf: nothing really, it's just for guestimation, they're not really good for the ipods yet... |
20:53:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | spiorf: Yes, I know. And the Nano is 340. |
20:54:22 | Genre9mp3 | So iPods can boost digitally the volume? |
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20:54:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe that's analog. |
20:54:47 | sharpe | indeed... |
20:54:50 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
20:54:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Digital would be the preamp in replaygain. |
20:55:14 | Genre9mp3 | Or Bass/Treble options in Rockbox? |
20:55:15 | RedBreva | I see RobbyWilliams is back selling chemical products on the Wiki...! |
20:55:24 | sharpe | robin williams?! |
20:55:31 | sharpe | :P |
20:55:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: What do you mean about Bass/Treble? |
20:56:02 | Genre9mp3 | Bass/Treble options boost digitally the sound, right? |
20:56:11 | sharpe | RedBreva: yes, yes, it would seem so... there's a large market for phentermine to rockbox users... |
20:56:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: I'm not really certain how they're handled, honestly. |
20:57:39 | RedBreva | Well, at least it's educational, I had to go and look up what it was for... ;-) |
20:57:54 | sharpe | you learn something new every day. |
20:58:00 | Genre9mp3 | Well, if the hw on irivers is incapable of boosting the volume (analog way) then it must be digitally boosted with Bass/Treble options |
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20:58:06 | Genre9mp3 | just like the EQ |
20:58:12 | XavierGr | Hello all! |
20:58:14 | Genre9mp3 | Oh, hi XavierGR! :) |
20:58:16 | XavierGr | Bad day |
20:58:26 | Genre9mp3 | why's that? |
20:58:30 | sharpe | hello Xavier |
20:58:34 | XavierGr | My car broke out in the middle of the highway |
20:58:46 | Genre9mp3 | 8X |
20:58:53 | sharpe | like, in the middle, or off to the side? |
20:59:06 | Genre9mp3 | Broke out? |
20:59:08 | XavierGr | well obviously I managed to push it on the side |
20:59:17 | sharpe | of course |
20:59:19 | XavierGr | I left it there for the night |
20:59:26 | RedBreva | Broke down ;-) |
20:59:37 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: Exactly where did this happen? |
20:59:40 | XavierGr | broke out = it will refuse to turn on |
20:59:42 | sharpe | on the highway! |
20:59:46 | XavierGr | the ignition works |
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21:00:02 | XavierGr | the battery works but it won't just turn on |
21:00:16 | XavierGr | (it has gas too) |
21:00:30 | XavierGr | sharpe it is not a highway per se |
21:00:44 | XavierGr | it is a national road |
21:00:58 | XavierGr | I left it on the safety lane with a warning triangle |
21:01:07 | sharpe | hmm... my friend's vehicle broke down just last... monday... or was it sunday... |
21:01:18 | XavierGr | I will get there tomorrow with a technician to see what's happening |
21:02:01 | sharpe | well, i'll be going, later everyone. |
21:02:09 | XavierGr | bye |
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21:52:38 | Massa | Does anybody knew what the message "beep, no dir to copy WPS from!" at the end of a build means? |
21:54:39 | dionoea | it means that you didn't checkout the WPS directory from cvs |
21:55:02 | Massa | Huh? It is of course there... |
21:56:14 | Massa | I compiled a version for iRiver H300 at Linux |
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21:56:52 | Massa | dionoea, is there an additional WPS directory besides the directory named "wps" to check out? |
21:57:50 | dionoea | well you should have a wps directory at the same level as firmware / apps / uisimulator / tools /... |
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21:58:53 | Massa | I have that and it contains a lot of .wps and other files. |
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22:02:09 | dionoea | well it must be something else then ... |
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22:06:01 | Massa | O.K. I found the problem - it's no failure, just a message for all WPS where no subdirectory beneath wps exists (e.g. iCatcher)... |
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22:06:38 | Massa | Hmm, why didn't I ever notice that when compiling with cygwin/Windows? Strange! |
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22:09:47 | Massa | If anybody cares: it seems that a "cvs update" at Linux only updates existing files while an "update" made with TortoiseCVS also creates new subdirectories and files... |
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22:12:54 | dionoea | cvs up -dP |
22:13:45 | Massa | dionoea, thanks - if I correctly remember there is a ~/.cvsrc where I can put that options to make them default???! |
22:13:59 | dionoea | i don't have a clue :) |
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22:19:23 | Massa | it seems to work - so I assume I was correct :-) |
22:19:34 | Massa | Bye - I have to go now! |
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22:40:27 | sharpe | it is very hard to partition a usb drive in windows... :) |
22:40:46 | midkay | yep. |
22:40:47 | Bagder | mi4code.c actually works on my sansa mi4 image |
22:40:51 | sharpe | short of, having only one partition. |
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22:42:45 | sharpe | disk management won't even let me delete a removable drive's partition... woo... |
22:42:55 | Bagder | c:\SreekanthS\FDK_STUB\SA_5_51_169_br\buildroot\Sahara\ppos\src\MediaServices\DRM\Janus\portKit-10.05\crypto\bignum\kmuladd.c line 7 |
22:43:07 | Bagder | (string from the firmware image!) |
22:43:12 | sharpe | wow... |
22:43:40 | sharpe | i don't even think i have any folders that deep... |
22:43:57 | Bagder | hehe |
22:44:10 | merbanan | Bagder: what did you do to make it work ? |
22:44:27 | Bagder | try the latest code on my page |
22:44:51 | Bagder | it "just works" |
22:45:02 | sharpe | magic? |
22:45:20 | Bagder | decryption magic, yes ;-) |
22:45:25 | sharpe | ah. |
22:46:22 | sharpe | ... digital etch-a-sketch... plug it into your tv... |
22:46:33 | Bagder | hey |
22:46:40 | Bagder | I found what crypt lib they use |
22:46:51 | petur | :) |
22:46:51 | sharpe | i'm guessing that's a good thing. |
22:46:51 | Bagder | http://www.zedshaw.com/projects/fastcst/historical/doxygen/html/strings_8c-source.html |
22:47:03 | sharpe | was it also a string in the firmware image? :) |
22:47:03 | Bagder | that lists the same error strings as sansa does internally |
22:47:04 | preglow | please say it's gpl :> |
22:47:29 | Bagder | haha |
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22:48:04 | sharpe | "the library is free for all purposes without any express guarantee it works." |
22:48:26 | Bagder | f:\e200\FDK_SE.551.169\board\pp7005_5022_color\src\trustedFlash\libtomcrypt\src\ciphers\aes\aes.c |
22:48:35 | Bagder | it even spells it out |
22:48:39 | preglow | hahah |
22:49:13 | sharpe | it's in the public domain :-D |
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22:52:01 | Bagder | hm |
22:52:06 | Bagder | RTXC Kernel %08X %5d %5d %5d |
22:52:17 | sharpe | string? |
22:52:20 | Bagder | yes |
22:52:23 | sharpe | ah. |
22:52:30 | Bagder | RTXC seems to be a RTOS |
22:52:35 | sharpe | just a shot in the dark, fron the firmware? :) |
22:52:45 | sharpe | from... |
22:52:45 | Bagder | "RTXC? real time operating systems have been supporting embedded applications for more than 20 years. " |
22:52:52 | Bagder | http://www.quadros.com/ |
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22:54:49 | linuxstb_ | The firmware also includes expat - sadly that's under the MIT license... |
22:55:10 | sharpe | what embedded systems were there in 1986? |
22:55:16 | linuxstb_ | "RTXC v3.2fpp for ARM and Thumb - ARM ADS 1.0 Jul-08-00 Key: 24104" |
22:55:27 | Bagder | ah |
22:55:31 | preglow | so they use a proper compiler too |
22:55:47 | Bagder | http://www.quadros.com/products/operating-systems/rtxc-32/ |
22:55:48 | merbanan | Bagder: have you tried flashing a corrupt image to the player? |
22:55:55 | Bagder | not yet |
22:56:18 | Bagder | I was gonna try to just alter some text and flash that too see that this whole process works |
22:56:33 | sharpe | no! then the corrrupt image would make the player corrupt and evil! |
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22:58:06 | linuxstb_ | There are a few references to PP5022 and PP5020 - so maybe that means it's register compatible with those. Meaning the existing ipod code will work. |
22:58:27 | Bagder | yes, it does seem promising |
22:58:45 | sharpe | why, why does all partitioning software seem to need to be run under dos...? |
22:58:47 | linuxstb_ | The ATA driver for example should just work, as well as i2c and i2s. |
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22:59:04 | sharpe | that'd save a lot of time.. |
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22:59:57 | Bagder | those h10 guys should have it even easier |
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23:00:13 | linuxstb_ | Yep, the port's almost done for them... |
23:00:36 | linuxstb_ | If there was a "them" working on it. |
23:00:43 | Bagder | yeah :-/ |
23:01:38 | sharpe | well... i'm off to see if i can repartition my usb drive in... dos... |
23:01:55 | Bagder | dos? |
23:02:00 | sharpe | yes? |
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23:02:08 | Bagder | USB for dos sound like... interesting |
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23:02:18 | midkay | sharpe, how would you do that? |
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23:02:23 | sharpe | there are drivers for it, fortunately... |
23:03:08 | sharpe | midkay: very carefully? |
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23:03:28 | midkay | surely, but via what tool? |
23:03:37 | sharpe | the partitioning? |
23:03:56 | midkay | of course. |
23:05:16 | sharpe | oh, i'm going to try something aptly named, "Super FDISK" which apparently supports partitioning, then "Ranish's Partition Manager" then anything else i can find... |
23:05:25 | Bagder | uh MPV is news to me |
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23:05:38 | Bagder | http://www.osta.org/mpv/public/documents/seminar2000/MPV_Technology_Intro.pdf |
23:05:52 | Bagder | sansa has strings for this |
23:05:53 | midkay | have some fun, then! |
23:05:57 | Bagder | <STILLWITHAUDIO> |
23:05:57 | sharpe | woo... |
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23:10:42 | sharpe | ah, you know what, maybe i'll just leave the partitioning to some time later... i don't feel like doing that now... |
23:10:59 | preglow | partioning under dos? |
23:11:08 | sharpe | yep... |
23:11:09 | preglow | why not just use some linux live cd? |
23:11:30 | sharpe | because i already had a floppy in my drive. :) |
23:12:07 | sharpe | i actually thought about doing that, but i don't know why i didn't. |
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23:16:37 | sharpe | oh well... burning that livecd now. |
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23:32:39 | Bagder | e84: e3a00460 mov r0, #1610612736 ; 0x60000000 |
23:32:40 | Bagder | e88: e5d02000 ldrb r2, [r0] |
23:32:40 | Bagder | e8c: e3520055 cmp r2, #85 ; 0x55 |
23:32:45 | Bagder | the same check we do |
23:32:57 | Bagder | in crt0.S (assembly from sansa) |
23:33:18 | linuxstb_ | Well, we got it from IPL.... |
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23:33:57 | linuxstb_ | But yes, that's promising for compatibility between the PP5024 and other PP502x chips. |
23:34:29 | linuxstb_ | I've noticed a few other familiar addresses as well after a very quick browse at the disassembly. |
23:34:39 | Bagder | yes I do too |
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23:36:29 | * | amiconn wants to know how voltage scaling works on the PP5022 :/ |
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23:36:58 | linuxstb_ | You now have all those .mi4 files to disassemble... |
23:37:20 | linuxstb_ | Or Sansa will shock us and give us some info... |
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23:39:32 | preglow | linuxstb_: yes, very probable |
23:39:48 | * | linuxstb_ is suffering under the heat |
23:39:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well at least Sansa's actually saying *something* |
23:39:53 | * | preglow too |
23:40:34 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: what, they've said something new? |
23:40:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that I know of. |
23:40:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | But at least they talked to Daniel at all. |
23:41:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | At this point I'd be happy with a "Shoo" from PortalPlayer to at least know somebody read it. |
23:41:15 | preglow | heh |
23:41:17 | preglow | don't expect one |
23:41:26 | Bagder | they have it on the wall in their coffee room |
23:41:36 | Bagder | :-P |
23:41:57 | Bagder | my latest mail to sandisk was sent on june 19th and I've heard nada since |
23:42:05 | preglow | i don't get it |
23:42:11 | preglow | send something |
23:42:15 | preglow | just shutting up looks bad |
23:42:34 | preglow | but hardly a surprise, i guess |
23:42:40 | * | amiconn wonders what linuxstb is calling heat |
23:42:41 | preglow | and at least we got some players |
23:42:51 | amiconn | 25°C in London, just 3 more than here... |
23:43:15 | Genre9mp3 | maybe they don't actually willing to help in anyway... |
23:43:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's 30.5 C here, but at least it's cloudy. |
23:43:38 | Genre9mp3 | Maybe all these was a part of their promotion or something? (just a thought) |
23:43:45 | Bagder | I don't speak with the president of Sandisk |
23:43:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well it's definitely all part of their promotion. |
23:44:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | But their promotion will look a lot better if we can actually support their player _well_ |
23:44:21 | Bagder | so "they" might be wanting different things depending on who "they" are |
23:44:21 | linuxstb_ | It's currently 30C here... |
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23:45:24 | petur | 27.5 and falling.... |
23:45:38 | petur | expect code when it falls below 25 |
23:45:42 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Surely a different time of day (soon midnight here) |
23:46:17 | Genre9mp3 | What I want to say is, that maybe, all "they" were interested in was a Rockbox-rumor than an actual Rockbox-port |
23:46:46 | petur | it came from marketing, so probably it is |
23:46:50 | linuxstb_ | But surely the negative PR of failing to help a Rockbox port will outweigh anything positive they've had so far... |
23:46:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: That's true. It'll probably get lower than that tonight here, with the weather the way it is. |
23:48:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly, I doubt word will *really* get around as to how much they did or didn't help us. |
23:50:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect that once there's a Rockbox port available there will be a big blurb that they post about it on iDont.com. |
23:50:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a very unrelated note, I hate their "Media converter" |
23:51:28 | preglow | i think the news of them offering to support us will spread lots more than the news of them perhaps failing to do so after all |
23:52:25 | Genre9mp3 | iDont.com is run by Sansa??? [innocent face] :) |
23:52:43 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: What's the audio quality like? (am I right in thinking you bought an e200?) |
23:52:47 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: yes |
23:53:48 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: hehe... I already knew that... I just pretended that I was surprised! |
23:53:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I'm no audiophile by any means, but overall there's less background noise than with most of my other players, so I like it quite a bit for that. I don't really know what to look for in actual playback quality though. Nothing stands out to me at least. |
23:53:59 | Genre9mp3 | I have to work on this more I guess... :) |
23:54:43 | amiconn | WHOIS Record For idont.com: SanDisk, 111 Java Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089 |
23:55:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | 111 Java Drive... hehehe |
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23:56:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | The original firmware's playback is pretty horrible. The "shuffle" is actually true random, so you sometimes get the same song twice in a row, and skipping to the next song takes *ages*. |
23:57:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well by "true" I just mean, random |
23:57:07 | amiconn | ugh |
23:57:23 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: I was just curious because the Sansa's PP5024 has the DAC built in. |
23:57:28 | Genre9mp3 | Paul_The_Nerd: Doesn't even have a "History" or something? |
23:57:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Well, in my opinion it sounds better than the iPod Nano. Much less hiss. |
23:58:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Genre9mp3: Yeah, if I recall I couldn't go back to a previous song. Previous and Next both essentially do the same thing in shuffle, pick a random song. |
23:58:20 | Bagder | in my damaged ears it sounds as fine as my other players ;-) |
23:58:28 | * | amiconn remembers Paul_The_Nerd being surprised that the archos has much less hiss than ipod as well |
23:58:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I was surprised that I couldn't hear *any* hiss on the Archos. |
23:58:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wasn't relative to the iPod, so much as relative to anything I own. |
23:58:59 | amiconn | Iriver and ipod have quite noticeable hiss. For me they're a step back in sound quality |