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#rockbox log for 2006-07-03

00:00:34amiconn...hardware induced, that is. The original recorder v1 firmware has a bug that causes background noise during playback.
00:01:16Genre9mp3sounds great!
00:01:31amiconnGenre9mp3: Of course that includes all SH1+MAS-based archoses
00:01:46amiconnI have no idea how the newer units sound (gmini, AV etc)
00:02:57Genre9mp3Well, not that I plan to buy a new Archos model ;)
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00:07:11sharpewell, somehow ended up where i started, but it's all good.
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00:31:15Bagdernother PP one
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00:31:40Bagderbut now sleep
00:32:47peturoh... that one has line-n
00:34:40amiconnBagder: A bit longer this time? ;)
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00:36:16amiconn00.21.10 # <Bagder> but now, sleep(3600*6); <== 3 min 36 sec
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00:58:59jack|assIs the iAudio X5 port of Rockbox usable? Last entry on the webpage just says "Sound!" :)
01:00:24linuxstb_Yes, it's very usable afaik.
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01:00:47jack|asscool, may have to give it a go then.
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03:25:22wittenis the iaudio x5 port mature enough for non-developer use yet?
03:26:54TeaSeaI've been using it for quite a while and i'm not a developer.
03:27:34wittenI had no idea there was a port until today
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03:52:53wittenwell, it just crashed twice on my, so I guess I'm going back to the official iaudio firmware for now
03:58:32merbananhmm only around 11698848347101 years to bruteforce the crypto
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04:57:14*sharpe sees purple...
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05:05:55fireI have a quick question about Rockbox and I have to leave in a few minutes (hence, why I didn't look it up). Is there anyone around that can try to answer it for me real quick?
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05:09:03Soapif you must leave real soon, time would be better spent asking the question, rather than asking to ask.
05:09:24fireIt's pointless to ask if there is noone here to answer it while I am here.
05:09:49fireBut. . .Is it possible to use Rockbox with the iPL Bootloader?
05:10:06Soapyou could always check the logs (updated continiously on the website) at a later time.
05:10:34fireI have yet to look into it that much. I just stumbled uppon Rockbox a few minutes ago.
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05:12:41fireBut, now that you mention it and I have found the logs, I'll do that. Thanks
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05:18:16webguest74are there any other firmwares for the ipod besides apple, rockbox and ipod linux?
05:20:02webguest74is any one there?
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05:37:17scorchefire: if you have found the logs, and look back in them....yes it is i am sure that you will have subsequent questions following that, just come back in and i (or someone else) can answer them for you
05:37:58scorcheand on a sidenote...gotta love the patience of a certain "74" person above me =P
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05:41:34midkaysome people.. so impatient.
05:41:59scorchehe waited a whole 3 min!
05:42:20midkaygood lord, no answer in 30 seconds! let me put some more question marks! another 30s have passed, nothing! HELLO? is anyone there?! nothing a minute later! insanity! let me just leave in a huff! /quit
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05:47:12JdGordonhey all
05:47:28scorche"can i please ask a question"?
05:47:38*scorche coughs
05:47:43Paul_The_NerdQuestions are forbidden.
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05:47:54Paul_The_NerdIn fact, you've used up 2 of your 3 allotted question marks.
05:47:58scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i think we still need to lock that door
05:48:01Paul_The_NerdSurpassing your quota will result in banning.
05:48:11*Paul_The_Nerd glares.
05:48:31Paul_The_NerdI may not have powers, but I will look at you _angrily_
05:49:01*scorche performs a wonderful redition of a mime being scared
05:49:12scorcherendition too
05:49:37JdGordonanyone know whats the deal with the remote screen patches and 3.0? there are about 3 more which noone seems to want to commit...
05:50:04Paul_The_NerdWhat do they do? And do they do it well?
05:51:35JdGordonthey do what they are supposed to.. and yes.. well they compile with no warnings :D
05:52:18JdGordonmidkay: go commit them :D
05:52:19midkaywell, we're certainly under no time pressure to commit them.. :P
05:52:37Paul_The_Nerd"Compiling with no warnings" isn't the same as "do things the way they should be done'
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05:55:22JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: i was joking about that, ye they do it fine.. im just curios as to why 2/5 were commited and the other 3 wernt
05:55:40JdGordonbut obviously it needs to wait till later in the day when more ppl are around..
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06:33:20midkayHEY. cut that out, alright.
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06:35:26sharpeHEY! we don't need any more sass from you midkay.
06:35:55*scorche kicks sharpe in the shin
06:35:58JdGordoneasy fellas....
06:36:21scorcheunfortunately, since sharpe is a small one, i hit his stomach >_>
06:36:21midkayexcuse me, son?
06:36:42midkayi know you di-int just tell me to shut up.
06:36:52sharpewhat if i did?
06:37:22sharpeoh no you didn't.
06:37:37midkayoh yes i did, son!
06:37:50sharpeoh yeah, mom?
06:38:05JdGordonok, help... im following to get mysql going.. anywho im up to mysqladmin -h root@local-machine-name -u root password your-new-password so i typemysqladmin -h root@localhost -u root password <my pass> and i get
06:38:05JdGordonmysqladmin: connect to server at 'root@localhost' failed
06:38:05JdGordonerror: 'Unknown MySQL server host 'root@localhost' (1)'
06:38:06DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
06:38:06JdGordonCheck that mysqld is running on root@localhost and that the port is 3306.
06:38:06JdGordonYou can check this by doing 'telnet root@localhost 3306'
06:38:14sharpemy god
06:38:15midkayoh yeah, sicko?!
06:38:20JdGordonmysql is definatyl running..
06:38:32sharpeis it on the right port?
06:39:10sharpecan you connect to it?
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06:39:58sharpeinstead of 'root@localhost' try just, 'localhost'
06:40:21JdGordonmysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
06:40:22JdGordonerror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
06:40:32sharpesome progress.
06:40:52bam_just try typing mysql
06:40:56midkayi call this next piece "worthless progress" and it was written by sharpe.
06:41:07sharpei hate you.
06:41:08JdGordon$ mysql
06:41:08JdGordonERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'jonno'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
06:41:08midkayit goes something like this.. "can you connect to it? oh. um..."
06:41:24bam_hmmm its running
06:41:30CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:41:30*scorche hugs midkay
06:41:35bam_you got apache server running too?
06:42:01*midkay hugs scorche
06:42:05midkaywe shut him up!!
06:42:05bam_just go get myphpadmin, and you can manage it thru that
06:42:07midkay*high five*
06:42:48bam_or install mysqladmin, its in the repo's
06:44:11sharpeit's funny... myphpadmin, mysqladmin, what's next...
06:44:33bam_just some suggestions
06:44:40scorchei wish we had a mysharpeadmin...\
06:45:04sharpefrom that, i get "sharpe, my admin."
06:45:31scorchefrom that, i get "sharpe hasn't a clue"
06:45:48JdGordonok, phpmyadmin works, so i guess it must be working fine...
06:46:54sharpea quail egg...?
06:47:00midkaya sharpe idiot...?
06:47:02midkayjust kidding!!!
06:47:06midkayor was i. :DDDDDDDD
06:47:11midkaynah, i was.
06:47:16midkayOR MAYBE NOT! :DDDDDDD
06:47:23scorchehey now...he isnt bad for his age =)
06:47:25sharpeeveryone hates me now...
06:47:49sharpenot really, that'd only be encompassing midkay and scorche.
06:48:12scorchebut you are still younger than us...
06:48:28sharpeyes. congratulations. you have a memory. :)
06:49:02midkaysharpe, well.
06:49:05midkayi doubt that, scorche.
06:49:08midkayhow old are you, sharpe?!
06:49:16midkayi thought you were like 18 or.. something.
06:49:30scorchearent youlike 15?
06:49:42midkaywhat date?
06:49:49midkaybirth date?
06:50:05sharpewhat does that have to do with anything?
06:50:14scorchesocial security number as well?
06:50:17midkayto judge our age differences..
06:50:21midkaydoes it matter? :E
06:50:36scorchemidkay: ols are you?
06:50:44midkayyes, i'll.. uh.. steal your identity with your BIRTH date.. yeeah...
06:50:53midkayscorche, also 16..
06:51:22midkaysharpe, birth date meaning month and day.
06:51:34sharpemonth.. .AND day?!
06:52:06*scorche overestimated midkay's age...
06:52:21midkaysharpe, what, you're not giving it out? :(
06:52:31*sharpe overestimated also...
06:52:39midkayi thought SHARPE at least knew that.
06:52:48midkayi overestimated your SMARTNESS and KNOWLEDGE, that's for sure.
06:52:50sharpeno, sharpe did not.
06:53:04sharpeat least i can spell parentheses.
06:53:13midkayyet somehow all the mindless, worthless babbling makes sense now.
06:53:42sharpeouch. that hurts.
06:53:55midkaylet's make a rockbox teamspeak server.
06:54:03midkaywe need one!
06:54:21scorchei have a ventrilo server we could use >_>
06:54:27sharpewhere did that come from?
06:54:39scorchemidkay: i dont wanna hear sharpe's high-pitched squeals though
06:54:47midkaythe fact that i'm going to play dod:s and i'd like to remain talking.
06:55:04sharpescorche: yeah... funny...
06:55:09*scorche only has dod...not source
06:55:21sharpeit's open-source?!
06:55:38scorcheventrilo isnt
06:55:43scorchebut team-speak...
06:56:04scorchemidkay: i can challenge you to hl2 deathmatch!
06:56:16sharpe... nevermind...
06:56:33midkayscorche, hellyes.. making a map for that actually.
06:56:41midkayin a bit maybe? if you'll be available..
06:56:43scorchedo it and let me know
06:56:46scorchei will be
06:56:50midkayalright, cu all in a bit.
06:58:09sharpefine, leave sharpe by himself.
06:58:17scorchewell i am here >_>
06:58:34sharpelike i said, fine, leave sharpe by himself.
06:59:55sharpenot even a chuckle? :\
07:00:14sharpea, "tee-hee" ?
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07:01:38sharperaucous laugh?
07:02:08sharpeindifferent glare?
07:02:53sharpewhy not?
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07:03:52sharpedo you not like sharpe?
07:04:07scorchei luuuuurrrrrrrve sharpe!
07:05:04sharpei did not know midkay was that young.
07:05:16scorchei didnt either...
07:05:26sharpeit's weird.
07:05:37scorchebut wait...arent you the "rockbox expert" =P
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07:05:48sharpewhat about it?
07:06:00scorcheyou should know these things!
07:06:18sharpe"rockbox expert" not "rockbox developer life expert"...
07:06:36scorcheat least you have a tag >_>
07:06:53sharpei'm sorry.
07:07:22scorcheare not
07:07:31sharpeare too
07:08:30scorcheare not
07:09:07sharpenuh uh.
07:09:19scorcheyeah huh
07:09:50sharpesince when do you have a golf postgame show? :\
07:09:59sharpeyes huh.
07:10:23sharpeapparently there is a golf postgame show on at three thirty..
07:10:26scorchenuh uh
07:11:04sharpeokay. you win.
07:11:14*scorche giggles
07:11:35sharpeyeah, but think about that.
07:11:46sharpe"yeah huh" "yes huh." "nuh uh"
07:11:53scorchesharpe: you honestly didnt think i noticed?
07:12:03sharpeyes, actually i did. :D
07:12:04scorchei am not an idiot
07:12:23sharpei didn't plan it...
07:12:29scorchei like to play along with what people think...
07:12:34scorchegives me insight
07:12:41scorcheand can be quite amusing sometimes
07:15:06sharpewell, firefox regularly takes up 110mb of ram now...
07:16:01scorchei have a habit of opening a lot of tabs, so yeah...
07:16:10scorchei go crazy when i am forced to use IE
07:16:43sharpemultiple windows?
07:16:58sharpeor crazy as in, "Arr! i hate IE!!"
07:17:17GaloisIE7 beta3 is actually, like, good
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07:18:03sharpei've tried the first two betas...
07:18:09sharpelike the first one, however not the second.
07:20:45sharpeanyone try the vista beta? :\
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07:22:55sharpewell; i'll take that as a no...
07:31:35sharpea pretty definite no...
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07:58:36midkayi did, sharpie!
07:58:57sharpehow is it?
07:59:38midkaybeta 2 is latest, right?.. similar to before.. :)
08:00:03sharpewhat were your impressions?
08:00:04midkayyeah, heh..
08:00:18midkayliked it as before.. ran stabler and quicker, a bit..
08:01:01sharpeah finally delivered their promises with it
08:01:20scorcheom....their promises 10 years ago that it
08:01:21sharpei haven't bothered downloading it as i'd prefer a cd...
08:01:35sharpebut i don't want to pay 5$ for shipping. or was it six?
08:01:38midkayyou mean you can't BURN a dvd!
08:01:48midkaywell, good news, you can mount it via daemon tools and it'll work fine.
08:01:50sharpeyeah, i can, i just would rather the dvd
08:02:08midkayno burning necessary..
08:02:08sharpeer, an offically made disc, if you know what i mean
08:02:15midkay.. alright..
08:03:34sharpei just like having discs with proper casing or images on it, whatever.
08:04:00midkaypathetic indeed.
08:04:23midkaysharpe: let's know your birth month and date. i'm curious ffs.
08:04:23sharpeaesthetically pleasing.
08:04:31sharpehah, october eleventh.
08:04:44midkayso you're rather close to 17, right?!
08:05:09scorcheplease dont tell me that sharpe is older than midkay
08:05:25sharpeoh wait wait wait.
08:05:27elljayone you are i the menu how to you get to the filebroser?
08:05:28midkayi still claim "youngest on the rockbox credits list".. not that sharpe is, but still.
08:05:30midkayhe almost was.
08:05:36sharpewhen i said "aye"
08:05:43midkaywith his awful-ass WPZ plugin.
08:05:45sharpei meant to scorche's. not midkays.
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08:05:51sharpemidkay: oh kiss my ass.
08:06:00midkayno i will not!!
08:06:12midkayelljay, uh, the same menu key, or LEFT takes you back up and out..
08:06:13sharpemetaphorical sense.
08:06:33sharpestill midkay, you don't seem that young.
08:06:33elljayi kept hitting menu and it didnt do anything
08:06:37elljaythen all of a sudden it did
08:06:52midkaystop your blathering, sharpie.
08:06:59scorchethat reminds me...
08:07:01midkayodd indeed..
08:07:12sharpeit's funny how people say, things never work, but when we suggest the same thing they've been doing, it works...
08:07:13midkaysharpe, and "spinv".. pah.
08:07:15scorchei need to do some actual work on rockbox one of these days
08:07:31midkaywhat a poor name chosen by a poor, young, lost little boy.
08:07:33sharpescorche: maybe you can get that 'expert' tag.
08:07:51midkaysharpe doesn't deserve that tag.
08:07:54sharpesorry, you know i will always have to hold that over you.
08:07:56midkay*takes and gives to scorche*
08:07:58scorchei already am an expert!
08:08:13sharpebut i got it before you. :)
08:08:15midkaysharpe, you're a pseudo-expert and you KNOW it.
08:09:06sharpebesides, i thought t0mas held the youngest title.
08:09:16midkaywho's that. WHAT.
08:09:21midkayt0mas. wake up. tell us your age.
08:09:54midkaysharpe, you need to know something. even if i spelled parentheses wrong.. i'm not as dumb as this guy who thinks brackets are parenthAses!
08:10:09sharpeyou just spelled it wrong again...
08:10:18sharpeeven if it was on purpose
08:10:40midkaythat's why I CAPITALIZED THE "A"!!!!!
08:10:48midkayto INDICATE that IT was ON *PURPOSE*!
08:11:28sharpewe need to agree on a format of purpose like, "On Purpose: parenthAses"
08:11:34sharpeor maybe the classic, "(sic)"
08:11:45sharpeparenthases (sic)
08:12:31midkayhey. did scorche ever tell us HIS age?!
08:12:42sharpeer, i may vaguely remember it once...
08:12:50midkaysharpe, guess it from your memory.
08:12:55midkaythen, scorche, inform us!
08:13:56midkaywell, scorche?!
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08:14:03sharpeooh, wait! we can make a plugin out of this, "Guess Developer/Associate Ages!"
08:14:29midkaysure. but. how about just calling it.. sharpe_sucks.rock.
08:14:48sharpeyou can have spaces in file names midkay.
08:15:07midkaybut we don't generally in rockbox, sharpe.
08:15:11midkayand you forgot a comma. HAH.
08:15:12firescorche: yes, i did find the logs ;-
08:15:41firei also saw the resulting jokes :-D
08:15:47midkayscorche, well. inform us. quickly!
08:15:49sharpeyes, my lack of a comma is much worthier of ridicule than your spelling of parentheses... :)
08:15:50scorchebut it wasnt about you =)
08:16:16sharpewhat was your question again?
08:16:21scorcheit was about webguest74
08:16:36midkayscorche, i mean, about your age, ffs.
08:16:43midkaynever. wait.
08:16:44midkayjust. sigh.
08:16:49sharpefire: aye.
08:17:00scorchemidkay: look through the logs since i ave been here =P
08:17:10fireif its possible to use Rockbox using iPL Bootloader
08:17:13midkayso like.. half a year?!
08:17:33sharpejust search, "scorche" and "agE"
08:17:40firescorche already answered that you can, i came back for a link to how or whatever i can get. . .
08:17:45sharpemust have the capital E though.
08:18:28scorchefire: actually, with the iPL, it should auto detect rockbox if i am not mistaken
08:18:31midkayi can't find it. :(
08:18:38midkayhaha, sharpe. alright.
08:18:57scorcheyou found it that fast?
08:19:03*scorche claps
08:19:06midkayhow the hell. :(
08:19:20firescorche: but can you . . .ehh. ..tri-boot(?) it with Podzilla and the apple installed firmware?
08:19:26sharpefire: yes.
08:19:43sharpehrrm. i'm quick this morning.
08:19:47midkayRockbox . Main . WebIndex Country: USA Comment: (scorche) Personal Preferences (details in ... Country: USA Comment: Mechanical Engineer Systems Analyst Age 57 ... - 918k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
08:19:53fireis that in the docs anywhere?
08:19:55midkaywell well.. this page would indicate OTHERWISE!
08:20:04midkay57? this SICKO perv..
08:20:24*midkay stares in disgust
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08:20:39scorchemidkay: so are you gonna play me in hl2 or what?
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08:20:57midkayscorche, i was waiting to get on vent and then hl2dm, yeah......
08:21:02sharpethat doesn't sound right, right after what midkay said..
08:21:32midkaywhat? is that in the docs?!
08:21:50sharpeoh wow. spam :)
08:21:50fireanything relevent to my question :-p
08:22:11fireabout the ability to use Rockbox with iPL Bootloader
08:22:40sharpeand the editing of other people's wiki pages to point to TinaCarol
08:22:52midkayhmmmhmhahaha. that made me laugh for some reason.
08:23:01midkaywell. some kind of.. giggle/moan hybrid.
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08:23:22midkayand again. and again. hehu. TinaCarol. hahaha.
08:24:24midkaytinacarol. HAHA.
08:25:04fireanyhow...thanks sharpe and scorche
08:25:11scorchesure thing
08:25:22firei need to take off again, i may check back in sometime :-)
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08:25:33sharpeyou can triple boot with the rockbox bootloader also... :-)
08:25:44scorchehe has quit...
08:25:49midkaywho said you couldn't!
08:26:20sharpebut chances are, he may look at the logs again.
08:26:32sharpemidkay: still use the customizable bootloader?
08:26:36midkayhaha. yes.
08:26:41midkaybecause i haven't been able to.. get rid of it!
08:26:42midkaywaste of time.
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08:26:44scorchei can hear midkay!!!
08:26:47midkayi'd if i wanted to WASTE TIME.
08:26:49sharpehah! score!
08:26:52midkayi can hear this guy too!!
08:26:58firei may try the Rockbox bootloader :-)
08:27:12sharpei'm good. :D
08:27:14midkaydamn, i thought i could hear him.
08:27:17midkayhe's just a big fat FAKE.
08:27:28sharpemidkay: remember, he's 57. hahahah.
08:27:37midkaywhoa. :E yeah.
08:27:53firegoodnight now, and thanks again
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08:28:11sharpescorche: was that to me?
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08:28:27sharpei really have no idea.
08:28:36sharpemaybe he did look at the logs
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08:29:13sharpemidkay: is it really a waste of time...?
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08:29:26midkayhaha. i don't mind..
08:29:29midkayi wish there was more to do..
08:29:37midkayi have white-on-black.
08:29:38sharpemidkay> because i haven't been able to.. get rid of it!
08:29:38sharpe<midkay> waste of time.
08:29:57sharpemore to do? :)
08:31:16scorchemidkay is afraid of spiders =P
08:31:19scorchenyah nyah
08:31:30midkayi'm sharing my secrets. pouring my heart out.
08:31:33midkayand this is how i'm REPAID.
08:31:57sharpehe's transcribing, audio -> irc.
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08:34:27sharpeoh no.
08:35:36sharpehmm. this sucks. nothing to do.
08:35:51midkayyour mother sucks.
08:35:54midkayooo. jk.
08:35:59midkaysorry. sorry. seriously.
08:36:00scorchehey now...
08:36:03midkaythat was totally on impulse.
08:36:10scorchethis is #rockbox
08:36:12midkayjesus. why did i do that. it was like it ran through my head.. and i..
08:36:25scorchewe are supposed to be on a seperate entity than usual irc =P
08:36:44sharpethat's only when midkay's not awake.
08:36:49midkaysorry, i mistook it for #coc−− well.. some other similarly-named channel!
08:37:01sharpesorry, totally on impulse.
08:37:13midkayvery ORIGINAL, sharpe.
08:37:27sharpei heart my ORIGINALITY.
08:37:33midkayit sucks.
08:38:40sharpehey, at least you're not awake five hours after everyone has gone to sleep that i usually talk to. in the same timezone.
08:39:06sharpenothing to do with ORIGINALITY but still. :)
08:39:45sharpeyou mean, purchased?
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08:42:49sharpewhy not sharpe? :(
08:43:27midkaybecause you aren't a hl2dmmer.
08:43:48midkay.. hl2:dm player.!?!?!
08:43:56sharpeoh, right.
08:44:06sharpethought it was a long acronym.
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08:44:54sharpei know what that is!!
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08:48:47scorchejust so everyone knows...that last laugh coincided with a rl laugh
08:49:40sharpewhat makes you laugh so much that you need to laugh aloud and type 'haha' ? :)
08:49:50sharpeto an irc channel?!
08:49:56midkayfu all, alright.
08:50:17midkaythey were SEPERATE LAUGHS!
08:50:47sharpei'm... i'm sorry midkay...
08:50:50scorcheat the same time!
08:51:01midkayrl laugh was @ rl scorche.
08:51:04midkayirc laugh -> irc sharpe.
08:51:07sharpeand the big word for that, "Simultaneous!"
08:51:42scorchelike the poodle!
08:52:18sharpethat is not a poodle..
08:52:40sharpeaccording to google, anyway.
08:52:42midkayhow do you know.
08:53:00scorcheok fine., the dopg
08:53:24scorcheLIKE THE DOG THAT YOU ARE!!
08:53:39scorchewow...this has been quite the off-tpoic spree for #rockbox
08:54:04sharpehowever it's not like there are pressing rockbox matters for us to attend to.
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09:07:59sharpewell. i think...
09:08:56sharpei'm going to try to sleep.
09:09:36sharpe'night everyone.
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10:08:45scorchethis is fun )
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10:26:16scorchelike the dog!
10:49:49midkaylike petur!
10:57:27preglowshut up!
10:58:03scorchemidkay says dirty things to me...
10:58:23scorchethats it
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11:09:31spiorfhi, do anyone know how to dither images for themes?
11:09:45spiorfi keep getting ugly bands in every gradient
11:10:34peturI think irfanview has a selection of algoritms
11:12:10petursorry, it seems also rather limited to one option
11:12:52spiorfi only want one :)
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11:13:15spiorfand to know what's the color depth of images on ipod nano
11:14:33spiorfthat seems for windows :(
11:14:50amiconnspiorf: All current colour targets use 16bit colour: RGB565
11:15:30spiorfconverting to that format and back to 32 bit color will preserve the correct dithering?
11:15:58spiorfbecause rockbox dont recognized an image i converted yesterday
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11:20:22markunamiconn: would it be useful to add floyd-steinberg dithering to rockbox?
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11:24:02Genre9mp3it was about time...let's hope now that it will help
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11:32:38preglowmarkun: the jpeg viewer might benefit
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11:36:19scorchemidkay cheats
11:36:36midkayso does scorche's.. well..
11:36:39midkayparental figure.
11:37:52markunpreglow: I tried to implement it in the jpeg viewer for my H120 before it had graylib suport
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11:40:09amiconnf-s is sloo-ow
11:40:31amiconnImplementing it for jpeg will require a lot of thinking
11:40:56amiconnOn colur targets, it converts directly from yuv to lcd format
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11:46:07scorcheew... midkay is a quitter
11:46:15midkayru kiding me scorchie.
11:47:08*petur wants to send the little kids home
11:48:19midkayhey. HEY.
11:48:41midkaysend yourself home, son.
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11:56:38preglowamiconn: four multiply-accumulate instructions per pixel?
11:56:45preglowdoesn't sound exceedingly slow
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13:19:18funkyWhich player do you recommend me to buy? I'll buy one this evening, I'll run rockbox on it? the main options are ipod video and Iriver h300
13:19:57peturwhat do you want from it?
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13:20:54funkylisten mp3/ogg, play video, I have seen that there is gb emulation support
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13:21:31peturif you want video, go for ipod video
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13:22:07peturif you want radio, usbotg, standard connectors, go h300
13:22:08funkyiriver h300 also plays video
13:22:26petur10 or 15fps on a small screen
13:22:43peturyes it's video ;)
13:22:54PaulJamthe video capabilities of the h300 are clearly inferior to those of the ipod g5
13:22:56funkyon the go, means that I could play video on a external device ?
13:23:39funkypetur: do you suggest any other player ?
13:24:01peturusbotg = you can copy files from/to another device
13:24:15funkyahh, ok
13:25:16peturh300 is also much thicker
13:27:06funkyCould I have rockbox, IpodLinux and apple's firmware at the same time on a ipod 5th gen ?
13:27:46funkythanks for your help guys
13:27:57*funky goes on reading rockbox doc
13:29:42PaulJamlol, i just read that western digital was sued because of the correct usage of the term gigabyte.
13:31:21PaulJambtw, rockbox uses GB/MB where it should be GiB/MiB. for example in the info screen.
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13:56:40amiconnPaulJam: I've never seen people using those odd *iB units for real.
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14:04:08PaulJamamiconn: but it's technically correct. you could use the same argument against the dB scale (I've never seen an mp3player using this odd dB scale for real) ;)
14:05:14ZagorPaulJam: we're old and grumpy. GB works fine for us.
14:05:48amiconnPaulJam: I have seen multiple audio devices using a dB scale.
14:06:23amiconnGB and MB are binary by convention. It's like that in every OS.
14:06:39amiconnFor KB, it's even made clear by the capital K
14:08:43PaulJamamiconn: but i have also seen multiple applications using *iB units.
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14:09:01*linuxstb agrees with Zagor
14:09:16*preglow likes *iB
14:09:30*petur doesn't want to feel old and grumpy (yet)
14:09:57preglowthe power of two definition has always bothered me in the extreme
14:09:59amiconnPaulJam: Really?
14:10:27*amiconn is curious what apps that might be
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14:13:46preglowi'd just like for the confusion to end
14:14:27funkywhich model do you think has more autonomy ? ipod video or iriver h300 ?
14:14:58peturh300 with a replacement ipod battery?
14:16:22funkyh300 with its own battery vs ipod with its own battery, no replacements
14:17:30peturipod + rockbox gives poor runtime atm, this should get better as development continues
14:18:18funkyand using their original firmware ? which one get better runtime ?
14:18:39midkayi think h300 is like double as far as rockbox, and also ahead as far as original firmware..
14:18:50peturdon't know about ipod, h300 is spec'd at 16h (using rockbox gives you more)
14:19:11midkayipod is specced at 12h (30gb) or 14 (60gb)
14:19:20PaulJamamiconn: partimage (linux) for example
14:19:48midkayand thusly, bed 'tis for me.. laters.
14:20:22linuxstbfunky: Apple claim "up to 20 hours" for the video. Rockbox on the H300 can do at least 20h I think, but Rockbox on the ipod video is only around 10h.
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14:20:39linuxstbNote the "up to 20h" from Apple... I've no idea what the real figures are.
14:22:32funkyok, thanks
14:22:41funkyI think h300 its gaining positions
14:23:50linuxstbYou just need to decide on your priorities. Do you need video? Is 10 hours of runtime enough? Radio? USBOTG? Standard connectors. etc etc...
14:24:28linuxstbAlso, the H300 isn't manufactured any more...
14:25:05peturthere's also the iaudio x5
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14:27:29funkylinuxstb: I just want a good quality music player, with a good interface and as long as possible autonomy, video/radio is not really necessary, but It would be nice. about connectors... whats wrong with ipod connector ?
14:27:37funkypetur: I'll take a look
14:27:56XavierGrfunky: IMHO any iPod is useless to me
14:28:11XavierGrgo for an H300/H100 or an X5
14:28:42XavierGrif you can't find an H100/300 search for an archos though these devices are even more rare to find
14:29:00peturthe x5 also has a lame dock connector :/
14:29:57XavierGrbut still far better than an ipod ;p
14:30:05peturfunky: standard connectors means you can take a normal (mini) usb connector, normal line-in plug in stead of having to pay $$$ for special cables
14:30:17*Genre9mp3 agrees with XavierGr
14:30:40XavierGrthen it is set, funky: go buy an H300/100
14:30:45peturand as for autonomy, buy this:
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14:31:19crwlon the other hand, especially the H340 is just uncomfortably huge...
14:31:22peturhey Mmmm!
14:31:37MmmmHey Petur...ta for committing..
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14:31:53XavierGrcrwl: yes it is big because it has so many features
14:32:15crwlXavierGr, are you serious?
14:32:27XavierGrdon't you agree?
14:32:30MmmmPetur:I'll put all remote key defines under the h100/h300 keypad defs from now on then!
14:32:30crwlno, not really
14:32:57XavierGrwell tell me that trying to move files or listen to radio without a PC
14:33:04MmmmIve finished virtual keyboard support for the remote
14:33:09XavierGrnot to mention recording
14:33:23XavierGrnice work Mmmm
14:33:26peturMmmm: I was a bit puzzled by this but amiconn helped to clear it out ;)
14:33:27crwlXavierGr, you are saying that adding a FM radio chip to, say, iPod Video would more than double its thickness?
14:33:31funkyx5 loos fine
14:33:43crwlespecially that for example the iaudio X5 is so much thinner than h300 series :P
14:34:06XavierGrWell I can't say it will be double the size, but there are many more features.
14:34:18XavierGrUSB OTG, radio, recording
14:34:28XavierGrAm I forgetting something?
14:34:32MmmmXavierGr: cheers :)
14:34:34XavierGrah and line -in/out
14:34:35peturcrwl: the h340 has 7 connectors
14:35:00XavierGriPod Video has a great screen on the other hand
14:35:01crwlpetur, is that really an excuse?
14:35:05XavierGrbut that's it
14:35:22peturit also has room for a nice high-capacity battery
14:35:22XavierGralso an iPod has a serious luck of buttons
14:35:43crwlwell, even h100 series has room for a high-capacity battery yet it still isn't as huge as h300 series
14:35:44MmmmSo...all the remote support work is done for 3.0, It just needs committing now! Anyone fancy it?
14:35:59XavierGrcrwl: that's a good argument
14:36:19XavierGrbut still an iPod all it can do is just play music
14:36:25XavierGrand it is thin
14:36:39crwlit has all the hardware for USB on the go, though, doesn't it
14:36:39peturMmmm: be patient ;) remote supprt is req'd for 3.0 so they'll get in...
14:36:49XavierGrfor the same money the H300 and H100 outperforms an iPod
14:36:57Mmmm:D patient???.... me????
14:36:57crwland they *could* add a radio, but for some reason have chosen not to
14:37:14XavierGrit has the hardware for USB OTG?
14:37:19XavierGrI dind't know that
14:37:30crwlwell, it can download pictures from a digital camera with the retail OS, can't it?
14:37:44XavierGrcan it? I don't know
14:37:50XavierGrI thought it couldn't
14:37:54crwlat least the ipod photo can, if i'm not mistaken :)
14:38:20XavierGrAFAIK there is no USB OTG on ipods
14:38:33XavierGrthe feature comparison table says so
14:38:42XavierGrbut yeah I am not sure
14:38:58peturmaybe hidden inside the pp chip?
14:39:11peturundocumented of course ;)
14:39:25XavierGrah who can understand apple and their stange marketing tricks
14:39:30XavierGr(or porta player)
14:40:20XavierGranyway an iPod is good for a user that don't cares about features and is extremely itchy about size
14:40:29crwlat least Apple sells this adapter:
14:40:38crwlit's sad that everything needs an adapter, though
14:41:00XavierGrah it's an external accessory
14:41:01funkydoes Iriver have, educational discounts as apples does?
14:41:13XavierGrthen the ipos has both radio and recording capabilities
14:41:19XavierGrbut just not all at once
14:41:39XavierGrfunky: no as far as I know
14:41:42crwlwell, the accessory is just an adapter, I guess?
14:42:02peturcwrl: ipod + accesory cable is bigger than h340 :p
14:42:08XavierGrcrwl: yes but it means that the hardware for USB OTG is inside that accessory
14:42:15crwlXavierGr, is that certain?
14:42:15XavierGrpetur: haha
14:42:24XavierGrI am not certain
14:42:37crwlpetur, as if you needed to have that accessory with you all the time :P
14:42:43XavierGrbut it is just like the case with the radio accessory and the recoding accesory
14:43:02crwlanyway, you need to be a hip hop fan to stuff a h340 to your pocket comfortably
14:43:21crwland that's sad IMHO
14:43:21XavierGrget a banana bag
14:43:32crwlnot that i had an ipod either
14:43:39XavierGron the other hand it is sad that iPos has so few features
14:44:03XavierGrcrwl: what do you have?
14:44:14peturcrwl: well, as the h340 has a std usb connector, I mostly have a 5cm usb cble with me. In other cases, the person I visit has one from his camera.
14:44:32funkycrwlanyway, you need to be a hip hop fan to stuff a h340 to your pocket comfortably
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14:44:59XavierGrcrwl = devil's advocate! :P
14:45:04Genre9mp3I'm not a hip-hop fan...
14:45:06crwlXavierGr, I have a h120 (and would like it a lot thinner, but am not switching it to anything)
14:45:19XavierGrcrwl: that's the spirit
14:45:36linuxstbThe ipods have almost all the features of the H300 - main one missing is radio. It has USBOTG hardware (the "Camera connector" from apple is just a dumb adapter) as well as recording up to 24-bit/96KHz. But it's all hidden in that stupid dock connector...
14:45:41JDGordonhey all, im locked out of my comp :p can someone tell me how to get iptables to accept udp 177 ? (im trying to connect to xdmcp)
14:45:50crwlH120 is ok without the case, but quite uncomfortable with the standard case, it fits fine to a jacket pocket or a bag, though
14:45:58crwlthe remote helps, I'm sort of learning to use it nowadays
14:46:36XavierGrthe remote rules
14:46:44XavierGrah yeah I never mentioned the remote
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14:46:51XavierGrI completely forgot about that
14:46:57Mmmmespecially now its properly supported ;)
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14:47:17XavierGrthere are not many DAPs that have a remote with screen
14:47:20JDGordonstill a few screen patches need to get comited.. but yes the remote kicks ass :D
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14:48:34linuxstbXavierGr: The X5 does, the ipods do...
14:51:03XavierGripods have that?
14:51:08XavierGras an accessory I suppose?
14:51:52XavierGrwell that's what I am talking about to get an iPod that nearly has the same features as an iriver you nees to pay 300$ on accesories
14:52:00XavierGrthat's simply discusting
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14:53:36peturthey probably need a doc-hub if you want to use radio and remote :p
14:54:06SoapThere's nothing on the radio in the United States anyhoo, outside NPR.
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14:54:24linuxstbBut there's a big world outside the USA....
14:54:46peturlinuxstb: sshhht, most americans don't know
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14:55:52SoapI qualify the extent of my statement and you still grab it as an excuse for anti-US...
14:56:21petureurope is all fm and almost nothing on am
14:56:32amiconnThrowing some random facts in: The ipods should be able to do usbotg, but without docs it's practically impossible to support
14:56:50amiconnSame goes for the X5. Most of its hardware is documented, the usbotg chip is not
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14:57:32amiconnThe H300 usbotg chip is documented, and even example code is publicly available from the manufacturer
14:57:46peturhooray ;)
14:58:18XavierGrand petur will bring us the whole USB OTG support, right petur :p
14:58:27peturyeah, sure
14:59:08XavierGrI had the strangest idea yesterday, we could make the simulator to connect on a server and play multiplayer plugins
14:59:19XavierGroh god I am so damaged
14:59:27Genre9mp3XavierGr: You need some rest
14:59:32Zagorour field agents are infiltrating PortalPlayer headquarters as we speak
14:59:33XavierGrindeed :D
14:59:53amiconnXavierGr: Another idea would be to make usbotg support usb-ethernet adapters
14:59:54crwlwhat's the main cause for poor battery performance with rockbox on the iaudio x5?
15:00:22amiconn(or better still, usb-wlan adapters)
15:00:28XavierGramiconn: that's a perfect idea!
15:00:31Paul_The_Nerdcrwl: Unknown as of yet.
15:00:38peturXavierGr: I also had a strange idea: write a MSD device driver use the usbotg port, so that you can access the disk while playing music
15:00:42crwlPaul_The_Nerd, could it be the usbotg chip? ;)
15:00:57Zagorusb, wlan, ip and tcp. quite a chunk of code, that...
15:01:42amiconnZagor: IPX would be another option. Or netbios...
15:01:44*amiconn hides
15:01:55Zagorohh, even more fun! :-)
15:02:00JDGordonye, ipx so we can play dooom
15:02:28amiconnpetur: That would be difficult. The msd driver would need to snoop accesses from the external host
15:02:30XavierGrwe can have a tsr plugin that will handle the network code
15:02:40peturwhat about netbuie or whatever that M$ crap was called?
15:02:50Paul_The_NerdThe day I see four people with four different iPods playing a multiplayer Doom deathmatch is the day I just give up.
15:02:57amiconnpetur: That's netbios
15:03:06Genre9mp3There are many possibilities if we can achieve USBOTG-Ethernet
15:03:27Genre9mp3eg. we can use it to make the player act as NAS
15:03:31amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: multiplayer doom between an ipod, a H300 and an X5...
15:03:55*XavierGr drools even more
15:03:56Soapjack of all trades, master of none
15:03:57JDGordonthe h300 wins
15:04:07*JDGordon brb
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15:04:38peturprobably the gigabeat (faster cpu) - but does it have usbotg?
15:05:34JDGordondoes anyone know how to use iptables?
15:05:51linuxstbpetur: Yes, but I think it needs the dock - which sort of makes it "USB not on the go"
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15:06:13Genre9mp3linuxstb: LOL
15:06:40Paul_The_NerdIt's *almost* useful.
15:09:51Avehas the build system changed in cvs head?
15:10:05Aveor is the codebase just 100% broken atm
15:11:05linuxstbSeems to be working according to the build table:
15:11:08Paul_The_NerdAve: What exactly are you asking?
15:11:15linuxstb(the warnings are due to gcc 4.1 on some build servers)
15:12:03Avethis used to work: (cwd in build-dir) ../tools/configure; make clean all
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15:12:14Avehow I just get an error about missing apps dir
15:15:52Paul_The_NerdAnd you've verified that your apps directory is there and proper? Also, that's a vague description of the error message. Have you tried checking out another copy of the source and seeing if it compiles for you?
15:16:01Avedoing that now
15:16:27AveI saw some (major?) changes in the cvs maybe a week ago, regarding the apps dir
15:16:53Paul_The_NerdA very large portion of Rockbox exists in the apps directory.
15:17:01Paul_The_NerdAnd it compiles for everyone else.
15:18:12AveI even updated with -APd
15:18:21Aveyes it must be my setup then
15:20:02JDGordon:'( why does this irc client not let us connect to any other channel but #rockbox??
15:20:33peturrockbox is all you need :p
15:20:42Paul_The_NerdBecause it's the rockbox web client?
15:20:46JDGordoni need ##linux :'(
15:20:55*Paul_The_Nerd points to about six billion other IRC clients.
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15:21:06JDGordonah, but they need to be installed :D
15:21:18petur... of which none work if you're behind a firewall
15:21:27crashdnot entirely true petur
15:21:30Paul_The_NerdI'm sure there are other webclients.
15:21:32crashdalso, there's free web clients
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15:26:00Aveyes, fresh co saves the day, wonder what happened there that cvs up -AdP couldnt handle..
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15:26:23kadajwhat is rockbox?
15:26:32jonnoyay! im finally sort of back :D
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15:30:33Soapyou know you need a larger font when you read that as vim-chicks.
15:32:24apoascii-chicks? :P
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15:41:43JdGordonweee :D virtual keyboard support for the remotes :D
15:53:04Mikachusoon you won't need the main unit at all
15:54:14JdGordonthats the idea :p
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15:54:52peturthen people will start to ask if the battery and disk can't be mounted inside the remote too
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15:55:49JdGordonand give it a bigger display.. and a fm tuner and line in while ur at it :D
15:56:36peturand then a very small remote for the remote because the current one has become a bit large
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16:16:02amiconnpetur: Sounds like Christi's idea of using the nano as a remote for her g4
16:16:27peturyes it does
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16:19:46JdGordonsounds like a waste of money tho.. but if u have both then i could see the benifit of using the nano as a remote..
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17:12:53MalnilionDoes anybody happen to know a good tool for batch converting 500x500 jpg album art to something like 75x75 24bit bmp?
17:13:29apoDoesn't irfanview have some - :P
17:13:33petur(windows app)
17:15:02MalnilionAh, thanks, petur.
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17:18:14Soapyou can even record actions in photoshop
17:20:20peturthe resampling filters in photoshop produce lousy quality compared to the lanczos filter that irfanview uses
17:21:31peturfor generatiing thumbnail images this is important as you can keep or lose quite a bit of detail depending on the filter
17:23:15Soapdang, as I'm familiar with how to do it in PS, I guess I should play with infanview. Pissy to think of how much money I spent on a program getting beat by a piece of freeware.
17:24:01peturphotoshop is nice for other things, irfanview is no editor
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17:26:17Soapyea, but for the price PS should scrub toilets.
17:26:47darklessstupid "access denied" on rockbox website... *grumbles*
17:26:54darklessjust kidding, what are you guys messing with?
17:28:42peturdarkless: [17:12] <Malnilion> Does anybody happen to know a good tool for batch converting 500x500 jpg album art to something like 75x75 24bit bmp?
17:28:59MalnilionAnd the answer was irfanview.
17:29:12MalnilionI just converted 82 images. Thanks, petur :)
17:29:18darklessnice one
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17:29:39darklessyou DO have an access denied error, though
17:31:05peturwhere, on ?
17:32:01darklessmain page
17:32:04peturworks here
17:32:20markundarkless: maybe your IP range is blacklisted or something?
17:32:41peturthe wiki spam filter?
17:32:48markunBagder or Zagor might be able to help you
17:33:33darklessyeah, it's blacklisted it seems. I'm using my parent's connection because I'm taking care of their house this week while they're on vacation
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17:33:52darklessmy university connection can access it just fine using links
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17:34:16Zagordarkless: your IP was been used by a spammer as recently as yesterday
17:35:09petur11.21.33 # <Zagor> BlackListPlugin is now installed in TWiki. report any problems to me.
17:35:27darklessit's common knowledge around here that the ISP in this area is retarded... They're running the entire city-grid of fiber :(
17:35:53darklessArrownet... burn in hell
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17:42:08darklessI'm stuck in dynamic IP hell, time to try an http proxy and see if likes me then
17:42:09peturmeeting hell, bbl
17:43:18Zagordarkless: i've removed you from the ban list. try again now.
17:43:48darklessZagor: thanks, it works now
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18:32:32dunnoand I can't acces irc either from that ip
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18:47:23dunnoBagder, is it possible that my ip address was hijacked ?
18:49:00klrspzirc/site access has almost nothing to do with IP
18:50:12dunnowell it does seem that some ip adresses have issues, blacklisted=hijacked
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19:15:22DarkJesusThere you are
19:15:48lozzyHey DJ.
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19:23:07preglowit was bound to happen
19:23:15*preglow looks at the nynorsk translation patch
19:24:09preglowhmm, we don't have ellipsis in most of our fonts, do we?
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19:34:24DarkJesusI'm gonna get a cowon iaudio x5 soon
19:34:30DarkJesusAny reasons why I shouldn't?
19:34:51bluey-maybe you'll find it to old :P
19:35:07DarkJesusWhat do you mean?
19:35:19funkyDarkJesus: how much does it cost ?
19:35:24bluey-lol never mind
19:35:30bluey-it's a solid mp3player
19:36:04DarkJesusI need to find out if the 60GB version is bigger than an iRiver h120
19:36:09funkyiaudio x5 doesnt have buttons, it will be impossible to play using the gameboy emulator
19:36:31DarkJesusDon't really care!
19:36:53DarkJesusThe X5 does have buttons
19:37:01DarkJesusI think you're thinking of the version before it
19:37:13DarkJesusWhere the remote was used exclusively
19:37:35funkymmm, maybe, can you give me a link to the new one ?
19:38:31linuxstbI assume you're planning to use Rockbox on it?
19:39:03DarkJesusWhat other good DAPs are around?
19:39:09idnarI've got one myself, quite happy with it
19:39:14DarkJesusDoesn't matter if they don't have rockbox yet
19:39:23 Part dunno
19:39:35DarkJesusAnd is there a good active channel I can ask these questions?
19:39:41DarkJesusOr is it OK to ask here?
19:42:54linuxstbI think it's OK to ask here - but the problem (like everywhere I guess) is that not many people own every DAP...
19:43:04DarkJesusYeah, I know
19:43:15linuxstbBut I don't think you'll be disappointed with the X5 - I can't remember hearing any criticisms of it from owners.
19:43:25DarkJesusYeah, it's a popular one
19:44:27DarkJesusidnar, what size one do you have?
19:45:28linuxstbAlthough if Rockbox is important to you, it's worth noting that not many devs have an X5. The irivers and ipods are more widely owned.
19:45:47DarkJesusThe default firmware seems good enough
19:46:01DarkJesusDoes it seem large, idnar?
19:46:08preglowanyone know if our fonts have ellipsis characters? doesn't look like it to me
19:46:44idnarDarkJesus: well, what do you mean?
19:46:53idnarDarkJesus: the dimensions are listed on the website, I believe
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19:47:07DarkJesusI don't have a good head for dimensions like that
19:47:24DarkJesusHow big would you say it is compared to either a 60GB ipod video, or a h120?
19:47:29idnarnever seen either of those
19:47:30DarkJesus(If you know)
19:47:36DarkJesusAlright, no worries
19:47:41idnarit's bigger than my cellphone, smaller than my wallet
19:47:46DarkJesusI'll get the ruler out
19:48:32DarkJesusHey, I just thought of something
19:48:51DarkJesusSeeing as it's hard to buy iriver h120s now, do you think I'd get good money for one?
19:49:03DarkJesusEven if the condition is questionable...
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19:54:53DarkJesusDoes anyone have a toshiba gigabeat?
19:54:56DarkJesusLooks promising
19:55:21DarkJesusUnless it requires windows...
19:55:32pixelmapreglow: do you mean like for the long 'a'? It works in the swedish translation with at least the default and rockfont-8
19:55:46preglowfor the '...'
19:55:52preglowthree dots in one character
19:56:19pixelmaah - misunderstood - then I don't know
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20:14:38Mikachui don't think that character is in latin1, so it's unlikely
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20:29:21|apo|"The disadvantage is that Rockbox will only play certain file types." < *giggles*
20:31:45goffathey are probably referring to the one it doesn't (wma) or the one it doesn't very well (aac)
20:31:58goffawith time that'll change too though
20:33:06goffaas it is... that's a fair trade
20:33:42|apo|Hm, this is strange... I got the Re: Hi list mail 8:02... and the Hi list mail at 8:04 ^^;
20:38:38markunDarkJesus: I have one
20:39:08DarkJesusOne what, markun?
20:39:17markunGigabeat (F40)
20:39:34markunPorting rockbox to it
20:39:44markunTill then it sucks (for me at least)
20:39:57DarkJesusBut how is it in terms of form?
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20:40:14markunThe size?
20:40:24Mekrobhi can i ask you gouys a question
20:40:36Mekrobi just started the rock box installation on a 5g
20:40:40DarkJesusYes, markun
20:40:48Mekrobi saved the 3 files to C:
20:41:03Mekrobnow im trying to open rockbox
20:41:08markunA bit smaller than my iriver H120, but the X30 is a lot smaller
20:41:13Mekrobso i go to run
20:41:18Mekrobtype in cmd
20:41:26Mekrobthen enter
20:41:30Mekrobtype in C:
20:41:34Mekrobthen enter
20:41:49markunDarkJesus: the right one:
20:41:51Mekrobthen i press cd ?rockbox
20:41:53DarkJesusWhat I'm looking for is a smallish 60GB DAP, with good sound
20:42:00Mekrobcd ?rockbox
20:42:11DarkJesusI think the iaudio X5 will match my specifications pretty well
20:42:23goffayeah... good player
20:42:35goffai have the x5l... big battery smaller drive
20:42:39Mekroband it says the system can not find the file specified
20:42:42linuxstbMekrob: You mean "cd \rockbox" ?
20:42:47Mekrobwhat do i do?
20:42:55goffathey haven't optimized the battery though DarkJesus
20:43:00Mekrobno it said \cd rockbox
20:43:21Mekroband do i need to update the firmware
20:43:26Mekrobits new out of box
20:43:36DarkJesusI'll use the default firmware until I'm happy with rockbox on it
20:44:07goffayeah... default firmware is slow.. but you don't lose your video/recorder/radio/battery life
20:44:11Mekrobcan you help me?
20:44:21DarkJesusOh, it's slow?
20:44:23goffaMekrob: you need to update the firmwaret to get rockbox towork
20:44:24linuxstbMekrob: If you want to use Apple's firmware, then yes, you should probably update it first before installing Rockbox.
20:44:35goffaDarkJesus: comparitively
20:44:37linuxstbBut if you never plan on using it, then you can forget it.
20:44:38Mekrobok ill update then come back
20:44:54DarkJesusAlright goffa
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20:44:56goffalonger boot times...
20:45:05DarkJesusIt's the same with the h120
20:45:31goffabut then its not unbearable either
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20:46:04markunDarkJesus: the gigabeats have a nice screen and a fast CPU, but no recording for example
20:46:15DarkJesusDon't really care about that
20:46:25DarkJesusWould it work on linux?
20:46:28goffai'm running rockbox on mine mostly because of musepack
20:46:34DarkJesusAnd what formats does it do?
20:46:45goffayes it works on linux
20:47:02goffaand default firmware does ogg, flac, wma, mp3
20:47:06Mekrobi plan on using ipod firmware for videos
20:47:10DarkJesusThe gigabeat - does it work on linux?
20:47:12markunThe gigabeat is not very linux friendly but it will with rockbox
20:47:22goffaoh.. dunno about gigabeat
20:47:25markunYou can use gphoto to transfer files, but only with USB 1.1
20:47:33DarkJesusMay just go with the X5
20:47:37Mekroband i want to use rockbox soley for doom and other games
20:47:56linuxstbMekrob: So you're not planning on listening to music?
20:47:59DarkJesusThe screen resolution is meant to be a bit poor, but that doesn't matter too much to me
20:48:12goffagigabeat looks nice
20:48:13markunDarkJesus: then go for it
20:48:23DarkJesusWill do
20:48:41DarkJesusI will be putting videos on it, but I probably won't watch them!
20:48:44Mekrobi am
20:48:45goffai ended up getting a h140 for a second player
20:48:54Mekrobbut i will use either or
20:49:00goffamostly because i don't need video
20:49:05Mekrobdoesnt matter to me for music
20:49:08funkywhat about zen visio ? it looks fine, but is unsupported by rockbox
20:49:15DarkJesusIs it big?
20:49:22DarkJesusAnd does it do ogg and stuff?
20:49:26goffai could put a 60gb in here... it has a 40gb now
20:49:39goffawith rockbox it does everything
20:49:52Mekrobhey does anyone have any spare time right now
20:49:54goffawell everything rockbox does
20:50:30Mekroband has rockbox running
20:50:45goffawhat do you need mek?
20:50:54DarkJesusI have rockbox on my H120
20:50:57Mekrobim need someone to question when i get lost in the setup
20:51:05Mekrobon a 5 g
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20:51:39lozzyiPod 5g + Rockbox = cool.
20:51:44goffahmm... i don't have an ipod... just x5l and h140
20:52:07|apo|I have an iPod 4g 20gb and am thinking about getting a 5g with 60gb
20:52:12Mekrobwell ill be asking a lot of questions. i probably will get stuck a lot on stupid stuff
20:52:16goffaDarkJesus: do you like your h120 other than capacity?
20:52:21lozzyMekrob: What OS do you run?
20:52:23Mekrobplease accomodate me if you can
20:52:29DarkJesusEr, I need bigger capacity, goffa
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20:52:51pixelmaany wiki admins around?
20:52:53goffayeah... i'd go with a 140 and upgrade the drive
20:52:58Mekrobi run windows xp
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20:53:08lozzyIt's easy on XP.
20:53:15lozzyJust follow the instructions to the letter.
20:53:21Mekrobi am trying
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20:53:34Mekrobi try to do the search for rock box
20:53:45Mekrobbut it says it doesnt exist
20:53:50DarkJesusI don't want a H140, goffa
20:53:52DarkJesusI want a change
20:54:00Mekrobdo i need to have my ipod plugged in then
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20:54:17goffaok DarkJesus
20:54:28DarkJesusThe iaudio should do
20:54:35DarkJesusI wanna be able to play some videos too
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20:54:46goffaoh ok
20:54:53goffadidn't think that was a factor
20:55:13lozzyplaying video is overrated imo.
20:55:16goffayeah.. nothing wrong with the x5 other than battery life
20:55:22DarkJesusWell, it's a nice addition
20:55:27MekrobYou will perform this and the following steps from the Windows command prompt. Start a command prompt and navigate to the C:\rockbox directory (type C: and press enter, then type "cd \rockbox" and press enter).
20:55:29DarkJesusNice to have
20:55:33lozzyyeah, I thought so, but I really never used it myself
20:55:33Mekrobthats what it says
20:55:39Mekrobnow ill tell you what i did
20:55:44goffaand battery life isn't an issue on default firmware
20:55:46Mekrobi opened run typed in cmd
20:55:50Mekrobpressed enter
20:56:01Mekrobthen typed C:
20:56:04lozzyI d/led some vid podcasts, but I mainly watched them on my compy.
20:56:19Mekrobthen cd \rockbox enter
20:56:24Soapmy computer doesn't have enough uumph to play mp4
20:56:24lozzyYou have to make that directory first Mekrob.
20:56:34Mekroba folder?
20:56:41Mekrobdo i put anything in it
20:56:50Soapthe files you download from the website
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20:56:50Mekroball those files i dled
20:56:51lozzyerm, the instructions tell you everything.
20:56:55Mekrobi did
20:57:20lozzypretty sure they say to make a C:\rockbox folder and stick everything in there for simplicity's sake.
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21:02:37Mekrobalright i now typed in ipodpatcher anda table came up
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21:02:45Mekrobdoes that mean it is recpgnized
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21:03:14lozzyI'd think so, yeah
21:04:12Mekrobok now i type ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin
21:04:19Mekrobin the cmd or on the ipod
21:04:52Soapyou don't type in "N" - you type in the number of your ipod you discovered earlier.
21:05:04Mekrobyah i know
21:05:11Mekrobim asking were i type it
21:05:20Soapand all of these commands get entered from the command prompt, none from the ipod.
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21:06:10Mekrobi typed ipodpatcher -r 3 bootpartition.bin
21:06:23Mekroband it said error opening the disk
21:06:36Mekrobbut thatwas the one were the table appeared on
21:06:46Mekrobso isnt that the right one?
21:07:52linuxstbDoes typing "ipodpatcher 3" still show the table?
21:08:26Mekrobwhat happened
21:08:56linuxstbDid you do anything else on your computer since typing it the first time?
21:09:10Mekrobi typed the wrong number
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21:16:38Mekrobi got an error
21:17:19Mekrobhow do i enter rockbox?
21:17:24Mekrobi got everything on
21:17:32Mekroband i got error -1
21:17:44Mekrobthen it said loading original firmware
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21:22:12Soapsounds like you uploaded the bootloader, but didn't install the software itself.
21:23:37Mekrobhow do i boot it so rockbox opens
21:23:47Mekrobif i hold play it shuts off
21:24:03Mekrobthen when i press any button it opens apples firmware
21:24:14Mekrobhow do i open rockbox?
21:24:17Soapdid you install the firmware, or only the bootloader?
21:24:56Mekrobi extracted rockbox to E:
21:25:04Mekrobnow how do i use it
21:25:06Soape: being your ipod I assume
21:25:27Mekrobwhen i safely remove it starts in apple firmware
21:25:38Soapso on E: you have a directory named ".rockbox"?
21:26:31linuxstbAnd a file called "rockbox.ipod" ?
21:26:56Mekrobnow what
21:27:51linuxstbThe "error -1" message means that the Rockbox bootloader can't find "rockbox.ipod"...
21:28:23Mekrobyes i got that
21:28:26Mekrobi have it all on
21:28:35Mekrobnow how do i boot up in rockbox
21:28:43apoBtw, does anybody have a clue why my rockbox (On a 4g iPod) always freezes randomly?
21:29:08preglowanyone know what are most efficient lossy codec is on ipods?
21:29:09linuxstbapo: Clues, yes. Solutions, no.
21:29:31apoAnd what about the data abort at <something>? :P
21:29:32Mekrobguys don't leave me now
21:29:35linuxstb(I don't _know_)
21:29:41preglowme neither :///
21:29:46apo[21:29:26] <linuxstb> AC3? < MP3
21:30:07apoREAD THE MANUAL
21:30:13MekrobI DID
21:30:29linuxstbDo you mean you're stuck in the Apple firmware, or you are still getting the -1 error?
21:30:37SoapMekrob - if everything you describe is true (and you installed a firmware correct for your hardware) then there shouldn't be a problem.
21:31:06Mekrobwell i power off using play
21:31:17linuxstbNo you don't - that just puts the ipod into a light sleep.
21:31:29Mekrobthen what do i do?
21:31:30apo"Simply hold Menu+Select until the screen clears, and then hold Select+Play until you enter disk mode. "
21:32:00linuxstbpreglow: Any reason why you are asking?
21:32:01apoI guess you're at step g)?
21:32:10preglowlinuxstb: friend of mine is wondering
21:32:16preglowand i honestly have no idea
21:32:36preglowi've got a clear idea about codecs on iriver, not ipod
21:32:55Mekrobhow do i play songs now
21:33:13x1jmphow can i see the current cpu usage in rockbox?
21:33:40linuxstbYou can't really. The "view audio thread" debug screen is the closest.
21:34:01linuxstbThat will tell you how much the CPU is boosting between the low and high speeds.
21:34:25preglowlinuxstb: ac3 isn't overly efficient
21:35:05linuxstbI remember it being the fastest on the irivers before anything was optimised - but I don't think anyone has bothered to optimise AC3 so maybe it's been left behind.
21:35:09Mekrobhow do i play songs in here
21:35:19preglowlinuxstb: it is fast on iriver
21:35:27preglowbut that's not much of an indication when it comes to ipods
21:35:43linuxstbMekrob: Just select them from the file browser. Read the manual for more information on all of Rockbox's playback features - there are too many to describe.
21:35:53x1jmpso around 6% with 45MHz is very low, isn'it?
21:35:59preglowx1jmp: pretty low indeed
21:36:02preglowx1jmp: what codec?
21:36:25x1jmppreglow: mp3
21:36:34preglowx1jmp: oh? bitrate?
21:36:58x1jmppreglow: 160kBit
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21:41:05Mekrobwhy are all my songs named like fga
21:41:14Mekrobmy albums?
21:41:25apoCoz that's what iTunes does
21:41:27SoapI swear my ipod could probably scan/add replaygain tags faster than my K6-III :(
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21:45:34linuxstbpreglow: I've just tried an AC3 file on my 5g and it seems dog-slow... About 90% boost. Although it is a 448kbit/s file (2.0 channels)
21:45:44apo<+apo> >_> Our crazy neighbour just walked like some dude in CS <+apo> Seriously
21:45:45apo<+apo> That guy's getting weirder every day <+apo> And he's talking to inanimate objects more often
21:46:16apoBut at least he ain't singing anymore at 2am :P
21:47:00preglowlinuxstb: i tried a 192kbps one, and that wasn't too fast either
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21:48:49Mekrobalright i looked at the manual
21:49:01Mekrobi have no idea how to use the file browser
21:49:14Mekroband the manuel only covers iaudio and archos
21:49:21Mekrobi have a ipod 5g\
21:49:57dionoealeft right scroll up scroll down
21:50:03dionoea4 keys to do every thing
21:50:31Mekrobhow do i enter it
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21:51:12linuxstbThe file browser is the first screen you see when Rockbox starts - it's the Rockbox "home screen".
21:51:24linuxstbEverything happens from the file browser.
21:53:15linuxstbIf you would prefer to browse a database of your music, investigate TagCache (in the manual or the Rockbox website)
21:53:29Mekrobhow do i turn it off in rockbox
21:53:53linuxstbHold PLAY for a few seconds. In Rockbox it really does shut down.
21:53:55dionoeadid you even try doing like in apple firmware ?
21:54:06Soap is an G5 ipod manual.
21:54:25Mekrobyah im looking at one now
21:58:43Mekrobhow do i enter file browser all i see is salendar contacts and notes
21:59:29Soapthose are the directories in the root of your ipod.
21:59:48Soapthat is the file browser.
22:00:08Mekrobwell were are my songs
22:00:56markunMekrob: I thought you didn't want to use rockbox for music anyway..
22:01:01Soapthe songs you just moved over, or the songs you used with the apple firmware?
22:01:49Mekrobmarkun:i dont know how to shut it down in rock box lol nor boot back up in apple firmware
22:01:55markunMekrob: did you read this?
22:02:08Mekrobim reading the manual though
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22:02:36apoI wonder what marks Mekrob got in school @ reading comprehension :p *runs away*
22:03:20Mekrobdude stfu
22:03:41Mekrobi can read, im just not very good at using technology
22:04:24markunMekrob: don't worry, he was joking (but I guess you knew that)
22:04:50linuxstbMekrob: Also, you managed to install Rockbox without any problems - which is more than a lot of people manage...
22:04:52markunRockbox is a bit oriented at technical people I think
22:05:01Mekrobwell its irritating getting made fun of by a twelve year old while your trying to ask questions
22:05:15Mekrobi could see if i was being an ass to you guys but im being nice
22:05:35Mekrobwell i just want rockbox for doom thats all
22:05:40Mekroband the games
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22:05:49markunMekrob: but you also have to understand that we get a bit tired sometimes because people keep asking the same questions and we think we explained it pretty well in the FAQ
22:05:54Mekroband possibly black glass
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22:06:29Mekrobwell i am not asking for you to spend your time on it if you know of a link you could post it
22:06:37Mekrobi'm fine with reading on my own
22:06:58Mekrobim just having trouble and i know that you guys have rockbox so i thought you could possibly help me
22:07:19markunMekrob: ok, no problem then. If you find anything that is unclear in FAQ you can help to make it better
22:07:35webguest62is there any chance of the Rockboy viewer being ported to Ondio?
22:07:53webguest62seeing that the screen is the same size as Archos Recorder
22:08:18markunwebguest62: it's also not ported to the Archos Recorder
22:08:18linuxstbThe problem is the lack of buttons. It also doesn't work very well on the Archos Recorder (too slow)
22:08:32webguest62Ondio has a faster CPU than Recorder
22:08:34markunlinuxstb: is the ondio fast enough?
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22:09:07linuxstbI doubt it. Even the irivers are struggling to get realtime emulation afaik.
22:09:27webguest62Ondio is 11.05 MHZ, the Ondio CPU is 12 MHZ
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22:10:04preglowit's _far_ too little
22:10:18preglowyou will never see realtime gameboy emulation on those players
22:10:39linuxstbwebguest62: You could try it. I don't think it would be much work to get working - just a case of adding the button mappings.
22:10:40webguest62the Recorder version of Rockboy doesn't have sound
22:10:47webguest62and that adds speed
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22:10:55preglownot enough by far
22:11:02preglowjust emulating the cpu alone will be a tremendous task
22:11:20markunwebguest62: which Recorder version?
22:11:54linuxstbmarkun: Rockboy is working on the Recorders... (amiconn ported it iirc)
22:12:16linuxstbBut slowly...
22:12:16markunI'll shut up then..
22:12:33linuxstbCheck the wiki :)
22:12:52webguest62I'm not a programmer, but I'd guess like linuxstb said, just the keymappings of the Recorder version of Rockboy need to be changed for an Ondio port
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22:14:55webguest62Like it's been said, Ondio has a shortage of buttons
22:15:17webguest62maybe for Gameboy emulation, either A or B can be doubled up with the power switch
22:15:34webguest62and only an extended press on the power switch would bring up the menu
22:16:05webguest62and it's not like every Gameboy game utilizes both A and B anyways
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22:18:19linuxstbCurious email to the mailing list - installing the Rockbox bootloader makes audible books disappear...
22:18:26linuxstb(on ipods)
22:19:17Soapin the apple firmware under the audible books catagory?
22:19:22markunlinuxstb: yes, strange
22:19:27linuxstbThat's what the email says...
22:19:29Soapa sneeze makes them disapear from there.
22:19:42linuxstbBut restoring the original bootpartition.bin makes them reappear...
22:19:44Soapcoincidence I bet. I can't keep them there for the life of me.
22:20:01Soapnow that is beyond coincidence, I eat my words.
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22:21:58preglowlinuxstb: fancy
22:22:44preglowlinuxstb: don't overwrite anything, do we?
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22:26:56linuxstbNot knowlingly...
22:27:31apoMeh... moved my files on my iPod into a decent folder structure, now rockbox won't play anything
22:27:41linuxstbBut from the sound of it, it could just as likely be a quirk in Apple's firmware unrelated to Rockbox.
22:27:43Mekrobhey i was looking at the manual because i want to install blackglass
22:27:43apoIs there a limit to the length of filenames?
22:27:48linuxstbapo: Using tagcache?
22:27:55Mekrobbut it says it must be in wps format
22:27:59apoI opened a file
22:28:05Mekrobbut its in gz
22:28:08apoAnd it only shows the filename as title
22:28:08linuxstbapo: Maximum filename length is 255 bytes.
22:28:11apoAnd doesn't play...
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22:28:58apoMusic/Hair/Hair/CD 01 - 01 - Somefilename.mp3
22:29:01apoNot really 255
22:29:13linuxstbapo: How did you move the files? Did you use a program to rename and retag them?
22:29:25apoYeah, I used foobar2000
22:29:37apoFor moving and renaming
22:29:49Mekrobsorry for caps
22:30:14apounpack it?
22:30:24Mekrobi cant open a gz
22:30:27linuxstbMekrob: What is the full name of the file you downloaded?
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22:32:07linuxstbSo it's "jBlackglass-ipodvideo-200606.gz" ?
22:32:08Mekroblinux: what do i do?
22:32:34*apo tries updating tagcache
22:33:51linuxstbMekrob: Are you sure it's not jBlackGlass-ipodvideo-20060612.tar.gz ?
22:34:51Mekrobill check
22:34:58SoapMekrob - .gz is a archive
22:35:22Soapthere is an excellent forum thread on the blackglass theme, as it is not the simplest one to install.
22:35:41Soapfor you need to use his custom build to run the theme.
22:36:01linuxstbwinzip should handle .tar.gz files
22:36:03Mekrobnever mind
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22:36:33Mekrobi cant take going through all that again
22:36:42Soapif winzip won't do .tar.gz then the excellent (and free) 7zip will.
22:36:47apoNow that tagcache's updated it's working again
22:37:53linuxstbSo it seems Rockbox uses tagcache even when playing files from the file browser? (if it's been built)
22:38:09Soapwould someone please say "Soap" - I'm not sure I have my IRC client set up right.
22:38:11apoPerhaps it was just the reboot
22:38:56apoAnyway, why would rockbox not be able to play _any_ file, even if it doesn't know the tags? That doesn't make sense.
22:39:04apoBut whatever, it's working now. ^^
22:44:08x1jmpis it normal that button_get(true) returns immediately if no button is pressed?
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22:46:11linuxstbx1jmp: I thought it should block until a button is pressed.
22:46:32linuxstbMaybe there are old button events in the queue?
22:47:07Mekrobit wont let me stop my ipod?
22:47:38linuxstbWhat are you trying to do?
22:48:06x1jmplinuxstb: i don't know how the button queue works, but shouldn't button_get() wait until a new button is pressed?
22:48:26Mekrob"the device ' generic volume' cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device later.
22:48:35linuxstbx1jmp: No, it will just return the next button in the queue.
22:48:40Mekrobi am trying to safely remove it
22:49:04linuxstb^next button event in the queue
22:49:21Mekrobi kinda need to take it out
22:49:54Mekrobhow do i stop it???????????????
22:50:02linuxstbMekrob: It's nothing to do with Rockbox - your ipod is running Apple's firmware at the moment.
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22:50:45Mekrobits in rockbox firmware
22:50:59linuxstbWhat does it display on the screen?
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22:51:21Mekrobdo not disconnect
22:51:36dionoeausing linux ?
22:51:38linuxstbThat's Apple's firmware. When you insert a USB cable. Rockbox will reboot into Apple's disk mode.
22:51:50Mekrobno its not it is not the same thing
22:51:58Mekrobit has a different look then apples
22:51:59linuxstbOK, you're right.
22:52:08*linuxstb goes away
22:52:12Mekrobappples is red
22:52:17Mekrobthis is black and white
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22:52:55*dionoea thinks that linuxstb being a senior rockbox dev doesn't know what he's talking about and that Mekrob must be right
22:53:24Mekrobwell im saying that it is not the same screen
22:53:46Mekrobso if he cant see my screen how does he know
22:54:05Mekroband i heard i cant just pull the plug from the ipod
22:54:11Mekrobor it fudges it all up
22:55:12Mekrobwhat do i do? i have to go back to my house?
22:55:18Mekrobhow do i disconnect it
22:55:35Soapis your antivirus scanner running in the background and scanning files on the ipod while it is in disk mode?
22:56:06Mekrobim not sure
22:56:13Mekrobi don't think so
22:56:22Mekrobim not sure he even has an antivirus
22:56:29Soapdo you have any other programs (malicious?) running in the background that would be accessing the drive? Does Microsoft indexing service interfer with removable storage ejection?
22:56:43Mekroballl i have open is opera
22:57:35Mekrobwhat do i do gurus?
22:57:42Mekrobi cant just take out the plug
22:59:47Mekrobso no one out of 112 people has any idea to help me?
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23:00:44klrspzjust disconnect
23:00:50dionoeawell actually it was 111 people
23:00:51klrspzi've never had any problems
23:01:09Mekrobi physically can't
23:01:18Mekrobit says i cannot stop it at this time
23:01:25klrspzpull the cable
23:01:26dionoeathat's not physical
23:01:29klrspzthat's physical
23:01:29dionoeathat's software
23:01:39dionoeaklrspz: i was talking to Mekrob
23:01:46klrspzso was i :)
23:01:58dionoeaoh, hehe :)
23:02:00Mekrobif i pull it it screws it up
23:02:02Mekrobits a fact
23:02:05klrspzis it?
23:02:09klrspzthen why are you asking
23:02:15Mekrobi just got it today and im not ruining it now
23:02:28klrspzunless you run it over with a mack truck, you can't ruin it
23:02:29Mekrobbecause i want to know what to do
23:02:49dionoeaif you're so scared just shut the computer down and then unplug
23:02:51klrspzplus, if you just got it today, it has at least 15 day in-store wrranty
23:02:59Soapthis is your friends XP install?
23:03:00Mekrobi dont want to have to reset it after i just spent coutless hours installing it
23:03:02dionoeaand print the manual and read it thouroughly
23:03:03klrspzand probably 90 from the manufacturer
23:03:10Mekrobrockkbox etc
23:03:13klrspzit took you hours to install rockbox?
23:03:23klrspzthen i advise you return the device
23:03:23Mekrobi suck at this
23:03:40klrspzrockbox was by far the easiest mod to any device i've ever done
23:03:51klrspzand by far, i mean it's in a completely different category
23:03:57Mekrobwell thank you all so much for being arrogant asses its alot harder to insult someone than it is to try and help
23:04:01Mekrobthank you soap
23:04:07Mekrobyou were helpful
23:04:11klrspznot really, but i've already said unplug it
23:04:30klrspzit's not a fact that it'll mes sit up.. as i've already said i disconnect when it says not to all the time
23:04:33Mekrobi told you several times NOT AN OPTION
23:04:37Bagderthe amount of spam is getting boring
23:05:03klrspzwell then, the only option you have is to take a hammer to it.. you don't want to do it, then there's nothing else to do
23:05:14Mekrobsee right there
23:05:22klrspzdude, unplug the damn cable
23:05:26klrspzquit crying
23:05:31Mekrobyou could have just sat there and shut up if you cant contribute
23:05:40Mekrobbut you chose to be an ass
23:05:43Bagdernow now
23:05:49Bagderbe nice
23:05:56Mekrobim just asking for help
23:06:02Bagderyes yes over and over
23:06:03Mekrobhes being a di** about it
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23:06:15dionoeaand you're not listening
23:06:23klrspzi am contributing... as a poor associate to impecible statements, you can only do what people are saying
23:06:25Mekrobbecause i cant believe 113 people have never had this problem
23:06:42klrspztake a risk
23:06:46Mekrobi am listening but i told you i will not pull the plug
23:06:53BagderI doubt 113 people (in here) even had the same hw you have
23:06:55klrspzthen, we told you, there's nothing else you can do
23:07:00*dionoea always unplugs his ipod with the "do not disconect" screen on
23:07:01Bagderand most of the 113 are idle
23:07:04Mekrobim not risking it on something i just saved up for months
23:07:05klrspzif the OS will not detatch the device, there's nothing you can do
23:07:11SoapMekrob - this is your friends XP install?
23:07:17klrspzMekrob, how old are you? 13?
23:07:23dionoeaif it goes wrong you can still format the hard drive and start again
23:07:24Soapis he a nerd?
23:07:27Mekrob17 tomorrow
23:07:31klrspzso drive down to the store if it breaks
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23:07:34klrspzswap it out
23:07:35Mekrobi cant
23:07:37klrspzit's not rocket science
23:07:39linuxstbMekrob: Try shutting down the PC.
23:07:40Mekrobi don't have a permit
23:07:43Mekrobnot legal
23:07:47klrspzso walk, ride a bike, whatever
23:08:06klrspzhitchhike, i don't care... if you're THAT worried about the damn thing breaking, take the reciept back to the store and swap it
23:08:06Mekrobgod i wish i could ignore people in operas irc z.z
23:08:16apo... Just unplug the effing cable
23:08:17Mekrobi bought it online!
23:08:21SoapI believe write caching is disabled by default for removable media on XP (someone?) so then if you are sure nothing is running (itunes perhaps?) pull the plug, it's a quirk.
23:08:23Mode"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:08:37klrspzMekrob, if it breaks, i'll send you my 1gb nanopod.. how's that
23:08:59Mekrobim going to listen to linux
23:09:06apoklrspz: You have to add "As long as you send me yours"
23:09:10klrspzSoap, i do believe so
23:09:17klrspzapo, no, cuz i know it won't break
23:09:25apoSoap: I think so, too.
23:09:29apoI never disabled that option.
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23:09:47klrspzat least on mass storage i know it is
23:10:14Soapthen if itunes isn't running in the background syncing...he should pull it.
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23:10:32apoNo shit :P
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23:11:32klrspzeven if it was, all it'd do is mess up that record in the db.. at least that's all it'd ever do to mine
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23:12:11klrspzi'm so far from removed from worrying about flash memory being corrupted
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23:13:01linuxstbBagder: (or anyone else) Any objections to adding "" to the "make clean" rule ? is already there.
23:13:13Bagdernope, go ahead
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23:14:40apoI fail at real life :P /me doesn't know where to find the social court in his city
23:14:48apoHi sharpe
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23:15:01apo(google maps ftw)
23:15:01sharpe'lo everyone.
23:15:06sharpewow. great timing...
23:15:08apoHi Paul
23:15:23scorche<scorche> sharpei!
23:15:31sharpe<sharpe> 'lo everyone.
23:15:36midkayjust like the dog!
23:15:42Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Sounds like a good idea to me (the make clean thing)
23:16:05sharpefeels like a repeat of yesterday... hmm..
23:16:22linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Good, it's committed now :)
23:16:34preglowBagder: what about the ellipsis?
23:16:43preglowBagder: did you replace them with dots?
23:16:54Bagderwhich ellipsis?
23:17:02preglowin the translation you just commited
23:17:30preglowhe uses the unicode symbol for '...' which i don't believe our fonts have
23:17:51sharpeoh no!
23:17:57 Quit Soap ("Someone dropped the soap!")
23:18:20midkayoh yeeeeeeeeahh!
23:18:24BagderI think I consider that a bad idea
23:18:40sharpekool-aid man.
23:18:46midkaygood job.
23:18:48Paul_The_NerdThe ...s being one character, or replacing them, is bad?
23:18:59preglowit's a good idea all in all
23:19:02BagderI think the depending on that unicode char is a bad idea
23:19:04preglowbut our fonts don't have it
23:19:05apoTHem being one character, I guess
23:19:13preglowso for our use, it should be replaced with three dots
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23:19:52Mekrobhow do i boot in apple firmware. im aware that it is in the manual but i have to leave now and this is easier
23:20:11klrspzhold menu while it boots up
23:20:15preglowtranslation is good quality apart from that
23:20:19preglowas far as i could see
23:20:33Mekrobdidnt work
23:20:42sharpekeep trying.
23:20:43midkayfirmly and do not move your finger at all..
23:20:53sharpeand be sure it's as soon as possible
23:20:57sharpethat you press it.
23:21:00Mekrobdidnt work
23:21:03midkayyou just hold it.
23:21:05Mekrobive done it thrice
23:21:13apoKeep trying
23:21:14midkayMekrob, then try tapping and tehn holding it..
23:21:28midkayclick, release, hold.
23:21:32scorcheMekrob: technically, you hit menu, release, and then continue to hold
23:21:34scorchebah you
23:21:43midkayyep, it just takes practice.
23:21:46scorcheit takes a bit of practice ;0
23:21:51scorchemidkay: grr!
23:21:55klrspzall together now
23:21:59midkayi own you.
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23:22:14Mekrobthis is not working
23:22:15Paul_The_NerdMekrob: What type of iPod?
23:22:18Mekrobi press menu
23:22:20Mekroblet go
23:22:22Mekrobhold it
23:22:30Mekroband it doesnt work
23:22:38midkayMekrob, it must be *quick*. but not *too* quick.. like just before the apple logo comes up.
23:22:39sharpehow long are you holding it?
23:22:56Paul_The_NerdMekrob: If you delete or rename rockbox.ipod, and reboot, does it go into the Apple firmware?
23:22:56midkayand continue to hold it until the bootloader says "loading rockbox" or "loading original firmware".
23:23:12Mekrobi hold it down till i see that rockbox is loading
23:23:32Paul_The_NerdMekrob: Hold it down until it says "Loading Original Firmware"
23:23:47Paul_The_NerdIt will show *some* of the Rockbox stuff
23:23:51Mekrobit keeps loading rock box
23:24:10midkaythen you just aren't timing it right..
23:24:16midkayit's quite picky.
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23:24:49apoNot really... it's always worked for me
23:24:58Mekrobthisis stupid. id be quite perturbed if i had to removerockbox because of this
23:25:07Paul_The_NerdMekrob: So if you use the menu button to turn it on, and keep holding it *never* letting go, it still gets all the way into rockbox?
23:25:15linuxstbMekrob: On my 5g, I hold PLAY to turn the ipod off from within Rockbox. Then I press MENU and keep it pressed until the "Loading original firmware" message comes on - works every time for me.
23:25:22Soappratice makes perfect (not to be an ass)
23:25:32linuxstbMekrob: Just make sure you don't move your finger at all.
23:25:32klrspzyou ass
23:25:36midkayPaul_The_Nerd, don't forget the fact that you need to not move your finger at all..
23:25:45midkayhaha. argh.
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23:25:55midkaylinuxstb beats midkay beats scorche. :)
23:25:56sharpemidkay: but what if you have parkinson's? :\
23:26:12Mekrobok it says loading original
23:26:32Mekrobalright g2g thank you al and sorry for my pissy attitutde
23:26:57Paul_The_NerdWhat's the point in apologizing for it?
23:27:00Paul_The_NerdIf you know you're doing it, then stop.
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23:27:21sharpewell midkay? what if? huh? c'mon midkay?
23:27:36sharpe<sharpe> midkay: but what if you have parkinson's? :\
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23:27:44midkaythen you OVERRIDE it.
23:27:45Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: It seems to just be that the iPod forgets you're holding down a key if it picks up scrolls.
23:27:52apoIf he has no fucking clue about PC stuff... why does he even know about linux?
23:27:54sharpePaul_The_Nerd: i know :)
23:27:57apoThis is disturbing me
23:27:59Soapwho, who said scorche. That's what Rockbox needs. Scorched Earth.
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23:28:10scorcheoh hell yes
23:28:11klrspzfuck yeah
23:28:15Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I have a little cover over my scrollwheel with a ridge. I can use it to press down buttons without actually touching the surface. :)
23:28:28klrspzi'd wear my battery out 10x a day if i had SE for my nanopod
23:28:44sharpeheh... the cover i have has everything covered but the scrollwheel.
23:29:17SoapI just use screen protectors from my PalmPilot to cover the scoll wheel.
23:29:27sharpeoh and by the way everyone, i still have yet to clean the sand off my ipod's cover. just thought i'd let everyone know.
23:29:41dionoeasharpe: thanks for telling us :)
23:29:47sharpedionoea: any time.
23:29:52midkayyou already said "by the way everyone". the ending "thought i'd let everyone know" was redundant and WORTHLESS.
23:30:03klrspzoh snap
23:30:06sharpemidkay: just like you? :)
23:30:17midkayand in fact the information contained in your "message" as it were was totally USELESS to everyone.
23:30:18scorcheno...just like the dog!
23:30:44midkaylike the poodle!
23:30:46sharpethe dog is Sharp Pei
23:30:53sharpeoh no.
23:30:57sharpei pressed a 'p'
23:31:05Paul_The_NerdSpeaking of stuff on screens, I got a new TV and there's a thumbprint on the screen. And there's a cover-thing over the screen. And I cannot figure out how to remove the cover to wipe off the thumbprint.
23:31:10scorchewikipedia indexes it as sharpei not shar pei
23:31:17midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha. owned.
23:31:24sharpethe rest of the world has 'shar pei'
23:31:26midkayscorche, no, sharpei is a redirect to Shar Pei.
23:31:30Paul_The_NerdI'm obsessive-compulsive about smudges on screens, so it's driving me nuts.
23:31:34midkaysharpei works here anyways.
23:31:41midkayhe's a DOG, who cares how you spell his name!
23:31:46scorchemidkay: yes, but in the url, it says shar pei...not shar_pei
23:31:48midkayPaul_The_Nerd, hm.. that sucks.
23:32:04scorchesays sharpei not shar_pei
23:32:12sharpeactually i got the name 'sharpe' because i was looking at a sharpie at the time, and didn't want to infringe on a trademark. so hah. :\
23:32:14midkaythat's if you go to the Sharpei page.
23:32:20midkaywikipedia doesn't change the url for redirects.
23:32:37midkayso if you get redirected from Sharpei to Shar Pei, the url will still say Sharpei. alright?!
23:32:44scorchemidkay: stop arguing!....point is, is that sharpe is likethe dog!
23:33:11sharpescorche and midkay hate me.
23:33:29midkays/scorche and midkay/everyone/ - s/hate/hates/
23:33:34midkayjust kidding! ;D
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23:33:47scorcheor is he?
23:34:36leftrightsharpe, midkay, scorche its becomming a bit stale this banter of yours
23:34:49midkayleftright, you're welcome not to read it.. :)
23:34:52*scorche frowns
23:35:09scorchewell, we could go over to #sharpei and discuss it
23:35:12midkayin fact you might not even need to keep the channel open while we're around.
23:35:17leftrightevery night kids :>
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23:35:48midkay'kids'. i'm offended.
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23:35:58midkaywhat if i called you 'old man'. huh.
23:36:14scorchemidkay: but, you are a kid >_>
23:36:24midkaydepends on your definition of a kid!
23:36:26sharpemidkay: that period after the quotation mark should've been a comma before the quotation mark.
23:36:49midkayno, it was the end of a sentence.
23:36:58sharpein fact that last period should've been a question mark...
23:37:12midkaytechnically it could have been, but in this case i'm using a certain writing style.
23:37:34leftrightyou guys really aren't contributing much to this channel besides spam
23:37:38midkayso... why'd you even mention it.
23:37:45midkayleftright, thanks for letting us know..
23:38:01leftrightanytime, beware of the lurking boot
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23:38:08scorcheactually, we contribute quite a lot to this channel >_>
23:38:27midkayhe's using the irc applet?.. such a regular. :)
23:38:51sharpewe do answer questions people have when they ask them and we're around...
23:39:29midkayyes, and when there'd normally be silence for several hours we take advantage of the availability of the channel and flood it with kiddy insults and spam! now somebody please tell me what is wrong with that.
23:39:33scorchesharpe: he is gone now...pick up your wrinkles and move on
23:39:51Bagdermidkay: 1) it fills logs 2) it prevents some people from asking
23:40:43scorchehe has a point with '1' >_>
23:41:07klrspzmy logs rotate :)
23:41:24preglowinane banter ratio certainly seems to have gone up
23:41:58klrspzeh.. it's something to kill the time whilst we wait for RB 3.0 :)
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23:42:20midkayBagder, we have a channel topic for a reason - how about "if you have a question, ignore the idiots and feel free to ask!"? :)
23:42:59midkayoh. and. never use a messy recipe. the cake will end up CRAZY. you've gotta do the cooking by the book!
23:43:21dionoeaare there many release critical bugs remaining before 3.0 ?
23:43:34dionoeaoh ... ok :)
23:43:36scorchemidkay: ...
23:43:43midkayoh. sorry.
23:43:56mirakwas some work done on automatic gain for recording ?
23:44:04mirakto avoid distortion
23:44:05preglowthere's a huge patch on the tracker
23:44:10preglowso yes
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23:45:07*dionoea guesses that CVS i going to be a mess the day after 3.0 is released
23:45:35midkayi think daniel may have an IRC notification set up for a certain word, so i'd like to test it. 'spam'.
23:45:36linuxstbWe'll be using SVN by then...
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23:46:14Bagdermidkay: you shouldn't trigger it without cause...
23:46:20dionoeaso you're planing on releasing when dukenukem for ever comes out ?
23:46:25Bagderor is there any new?
23:46:44sharpeBagder: maybe he's going to talk about his email spam...
23:46:48midkayBagder, no, in fact i was completely unsure if that even worked, but i was curious and wanted to give it a try. apologies if it caused any inconvenience.
23:47:11Bagderit doesn't really "work" but I do work quite a bit on the spam removal front these days
23:47:33midkayBagder, i noticed, that's what sparked my curiosity. :)
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23:48:10midkayoh, by the way.. two small pretty offtopic things.. the forums page doesn't have the little URL-icon that pages have..
23:48:20Bagdertell Jeff
23:48:26midkayand at the forums page there's no leftside link to "forums".
23:48:31midkayboth jeff issues? :)
23:48:49Bagderyes, he runs the host and admins the server
23:49:06midkayalright. :)
23:49:09Bagderfor the forums
23:49:46sharpei need to figure out why this isn't printing a string...
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23:53:02Soapon that theme, clicking the Rockbox logo doesn't take you back to the homepage as on many other sites.
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23:58:26Soaplast time I'll ask. Can someone please say soap (testing highlighting which wasn't working)
23:58:33sharpesoap .

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