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#rockbox log for 2006-07-06

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00:03:35	scorche	Bagder: did you happen to have tripwire running?
00:03:45	Bagder	no
00:03:57	Bagder	but I know this "attack" has been going on for a while
00:04:15	scorche	might be wise to start running it...
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00:04:31	petur	so it's not the new twiki version?
00:04:43	Bagder	I think it is
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00:04:49	theprodukkt	why dont u use mediawiki?
00:04:54	Bagder	shut up
00:04:55	theprodukkt	the same engine wikipedia uses
00:04:56	theprodukkt	sry
00:05:00	funky	heya
00:05:03	*	theprodukkt will be quit now
00:05:04	Bagder	I'm not in a mood
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00:07:21		Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!")
00:07:30	scorche	Bagder: what are your speculations so far?
00:07:45	Bagder	the guy edited our twiki/.htaccess repeatedly
00:08:00	Bagder	but always created the file with www-data/www-data which is what apache runs as
00:08:12	Bagder	so I have no doubts he used some web based hole
00:08:29	Bagder	and we didn't see this until like 24 hours ago which is after we upgraded twiki
00:08:49	Bagder	but then, we're under some heavy spam attacks
00:09:04	linuxstb_	Which twiki version did you upgrade to?
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00:09:10	Bagder	we've been a bit too busy with things so I'm not sure when the .htaccess thing started
00:09:26	scorche	from the ls, it seems like it is the spammers that did this
00:09:35	Bagder	oh yes
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00:09:41	Bagder	the added redirects in the .htaccess
00:09:43	Bagder	for drugs
00:09:46	Bagder	they
00:10:16	S0ap	[14:27:57] <funky> I'll read the whole installation instruciontions from ipodlinux and rockbox wikis before do anything
00:10:24	S0ap	[15:34:37] <webguest06> Nothing to say, except thanks for rockbox!! It works perfectly in an iPod nano, i installed it in ten minutes.
00:11:32	S0ap	[11:35:52] <craftkid> i cant download any of the thinggs
00:11:36	AM	anyone else having trouble connecting to the rockbox website?
00:11:46	petur	AM: it's down
00:11:49	Bagder	AM: everyone
00:11:56	S0ap	one of these things is not like the other.
00:11:59	Topic	"Rockbox web site is down" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
00:12:23	*	petur hopes they'll read the topic
00:13:35	apo`	petur: Experience has shown that they won't.
00:14:52	scorche	Bagder: what version of twiki?
00:16:11	Zagor	scorche: 4.0.4
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00:17:49	linuxstb_	So presumably this is a new twiki bug?
00:17:59	amiconn	404 is a bad version for web apps... ;/
00:18:04	Bagder	unfortunately not
00:18:20	Bagder	it seems the guy did his stunt even before we upgraded
00:18:39	preglow	hmm
00:18:42	preglow	apache version?
00:19:02	Bagder	2.0.55-4 (debian)
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00:20:26	preglow	we need to start shooting people, people
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00:23:07	thprdkkt\|wc3tft	why should a "hacker" do something like this on an open source site?
00:25:32	preglow	ahahaha
00:25:38	preglow	because a lot of people are idiots
00:25:42	apo`	Coz he's a script kiddie :P
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00:26:10	thprdkkt\|wc3tft	a script kiddie wouldnt have the knowledge to do this
00:26:12	thprdkkt\|wc3tft	would he?
00:26:28	Bagder	script kiddies don't have knowledge, they run scripts
00:26:47	apo`	Then call him a cracker
00:26:48	apo`	Or whatever
00:26:54	apo`	But a hacker doesn't do that
00:27:13	scorche	thprdkkt\|wc3tft: spammers have been having their way with our site recently....we have not let them do as they please...it seems like they have resorted to this
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00:28:37	Bagder	there's a very recent backup though so all twiki data from a day ago is still here
00:28:53	preglow	what, it got deleted?
00:28:56	*	preglow scrolls up
00:28:59	Bagder	yessir
00:29:23	Bagder	I didn't express it that clearly before but he did wipe out a whole lot of twiki data
00:29:28	preglow	ahahahaha
00:29:36	*	scorche will be back later
00:29:37	*	preglow reiterates the point about shooting people
00:30:10	Bagder	I'm not sure these guys count as people
00:30:22	preglow	i'm sure they do by some definitions
00:30:26	preglow	but that doesn't alter my stance much
00:30:38	preglow	let's just hope i'll snap one day
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00:30:40	preglow	and i'm quite sure i will
00:31:55	linuxstb_	Anyone know if other wiki systems suffer from these bugs? It doesn't seem good advertising for Twiki - twice in 9 months now...
00:32:01	*	amiconn wonders why the *wiki versions provided by debian are as outdated as they are...
00:32:31	preglow	everything provided by debian is outdated
00:32:32	preglow	in stable, that is
00:32:46	amiconn	preglow: This is unstable...
00:32:51	preglow	then god knows
00:33:20	amiconn	twiki is included in a version from 2004 (!) and mediawiki is at 1.5.8 - the 1.6 series is around for more than 10 months...
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00:33:47	Bagder	well, debian is rather strict in what it includes
00:33:49	preglow	my impression of debian is that it's dirt slow in general
00:34:12	linuxstb_	But old doesn't mean bad - assuming known security fixes have been applied.
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00:42:04	linuxstb_	Is it worth reporting the Rockbox spammers to google? http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html
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00:59:38	preglow	definitely, if possible
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01:07:04	petur	hmmmm, that form is more for reporting bad websites rather than spammers hijacking a site :/
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01:08:03	petur	and now for some good news... temperature just dropped below 27 degrees celcius. 2 more and I'm happy ;)
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01:13:05	Bagder	I was supposed to have an early night...
01:13:22	petur	after all the painting...
01:13:31	Bagder	yeah
01:13:51	petur	found anything yet?
01:14:04	Bagder	no
01:14:25	Bagder	I put up a static page on rockbox.org for now as I'm off to bed
01:14:38	Bagder	Zagor might be able to do more
01:15:52	petur	saw it... better than nothing
01:16:06	petur	say moo
01:16:23	Bagder	time to say moo
01:16:37	petur	'night
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01:20:25	Genre9mp3	WTF happened to the site? Is the twiki situation reversible?
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01:21:38	*	Genre9mp3 is full of anger!
01:21:43	petur	there's a backup
01:22:06	petur	but it's no use to restore it as long as the security hole isn't found
01:22:23	Genre9mp3	Yes, you are right
01:22:56	Genre9mp3	This whole thing is becoming tiring... :-/
01:24:13	dan_a	Hello everyone. I'm thinking of trying to get the sound working on Rockbox on my 3g iPod.
01:24:28	dan_a	Would anyone be able to help me get started debugging it?
01:27:54	petur	dan_a: try to talk to linuxstb if he's around
01:28:21	preglow	well
01:28:42	preglow	not too much you can do apart from starting to compare our code with ipodlinux' code
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01:30:49	dan_a	preglow, petur: Thanks.
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03:48:17	scorche	Bagder: any updates since i left?
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03:54:35	S0ap	channel's been dead since you left.
03:54:42	scorche	meh
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04:38:24	JdGordon	:-( re rockbox.org
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05:27:46	mongey\|zZz	anyone have the firmware patcher for a h300 ? bootloader 5 ?
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05:28:46	mongey\|zZz	:P
05:28:55	bobo22	:)
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05:53:36	DMJC-L	anyone ever tried to upgrade their iriver to 80GB?
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06:14:09	gursikh	That sucks.
06:14:28	midkay	yes.
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06:14:53	bobo22	indeed
06:14:59	gursikh	grr anyone have what I would require to install RB on Ipod 5g video ?
06:15:39	DMJC-L	anyone ever tried to upgrade their iriver to 80GB?
06:15:50	DMJC-L	i'm trying to source a toshiba 1.8" 80GB hdd
06:16:07	gursikh	a number of people have put in into an h140
06:16:08	gopp	wow
06:16:09	gopp	Leopard Mobile
06:16:17	gopp	does nay here know how they got osx on a ipod
06:16:29	DMJC-L	?
06:16:29	gopp	I have a video which some hands using a ipod, with Leopard Mobile
06:16:31	gopp	or so it says
06:16:42	gopp	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teB3cgZGcw
06:16:48	DMJC-L	it's bullshit
06:16:49	gopp	yes ipod but with osx firmware
06:16:53	midkay	fake.
06:16:54	gopp	but he hand
06:16:55	midkay	surely.
06:16:56	gopp	and it motion
06:17:01	midkay	hahaha.
06:17:02	DMJC-L	easily faked
06:17:05	DMJC-L	remember ipod video dude
06:17:07	midkay	how about playing a video on the ipod?
06:17:11	DMJC-L	just run a video clip heh
06:17:12	gopp	oh
06:17:17	gursikh	i vet it's Ipodlinux
06:17:17	gopp	oh it a video most likely
06:17:18	gopp	sure
06:17:22	gopp	good point
06:17:37	gopp	he has one of those pda sticks touching it
06:17:41	midkay	in fact it's very poorly done..
06:17:51	midkay	it's a "stylus" and it hardly lines up with what the video does.
06:17:55	DMJC-L	that's like... wow he knows how the video plays..
06:18:00	DMJC-L	and touches at the right time
06:18:01	DMJC-L	heh
06:18:03	midkay	and it doesn't need to be ipodlinux, that's an iPod VIDEO which plays video out-of-the-box.
06:18:14	midkay	DMJC-L, look at when he's scrolling - he goes off several times.
06:18:18	gursikh	lol oh yeah
06:18:22	DMJC-L	simply put, an ipod doesn't have the gfx capability to run osx properly
06:18:24	midkay	the video stops scrolling, he goes past, then back up, etc..
06:18:33	DMJC-L	osx uses 3d accel for the entire desktop
06:18:41	midkay	DMJC-L, gfx capability is out of the question.. cpu power's not nearly sufficient.
06:18:42	gursikh	so, anyone have the Fm patcher or w/e else I need to install onto ipod 5g?
06:18:43	DMJC-L	not to mention the kernel is a piece of crap
06:18:51	gopp	ohk so true I had doubts, but I wanted some inglient analyiz
06:19:04	gopp	I was going to say, this may be great for rockbox
06:19:07	DMJC-L	did they even get X running on ipod linux?
06:19:34	gopp	nope
06:19:37	gopp	cli
06:19:50	gopp	well they have thier interface, but it basically a cli program
06:20:06	gopp	unless they did get it on video or photo or nano
06:20:12	gopp	I tryed it on my mini
06:21:00	DMJC-L	man sourcing this thing is a bitch
06:21:32	DMJC-L	mk8007gah
06:22:08	gursikh	that's nothing. Tyr getting the MK4007GAL
06:23:06	bobo22	how many many FPS for video on iPod Nano (linux)?
06:24:02	DMJC-L	damn voip phone
06:25:07	midkay	like.. 15 i think.
06:25:15	gursikh	Any ETA on the site being brought back up, and what sort of restoration will be reuquired?
06:25:34	midkay	yes, 15, bobo22.
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07:23:39	spiorf	hi, can anyone give me a link to the doom patch to turn with the scroll wheel of the ipod?
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08:25:07	linuxstb	Any Nano users around who have upgraded their Apple firmware to the latest version?
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10:26:19	EthniKsounD	Hi
10:26:50	EthniKsounD	er... is there any alternative place where i can get ipodpatcher, bootloader.bin and ipod_fw?
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10:29:54	Jungti1234	ah...?
10:30:04	linuxstb_	No official sites, no. You could try the ipodwizard forums - they have an unofficial installer, and the files are probably included in that download.
10:30:08	Jungti1234	Rockbox site down?
10:31:05	linuxstb_	Also, if you need to access the wiki, try google's cache.
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10:33:30	chendo_	site down again :/
10:33:38	*	linuxstb wonders where everyone is this morning...
10:36:24	EthniKsounD	mhmmm
10:36:43	EthniKsounD	i'd prefer to do it manually... not because i don't trust ipodwizard.. :)
10:36:56	EthniKsounD	maybe could some of you kindly email me those files?
10:39:22	EthniKsounD	i know i maybe choosed the worst day for trying install rockbox ;)
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11:00:58	lou	apo`, what happend to that guy yesterday
11:01:10	lou	did he managed to get rockbox running on his ipod?
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11:47:38	mirfle	I would like to make a version of nedore-9 support hebrew letters (so I could use the icatcher theme), how do I do that?
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12:25:05	XavierGr	Hello All!
12:25:11	XavierGr	difficult day it seems
12:25:50	XavierGr	sorry to hear that once again a weirf kido tried to delete the entire wiki
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12:35:54	Bg3r	tried ?
12:37:15	Bg3r	fscking bastards...
12:38:13	XavierGr	ow they finally managed to delete it?
12:38:34	XavierGr	as if they don't have another problem in life
12:38:39	XavierGr	those life wasters
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12:45:42	tongas	hi all
12:45:54	tongas	what's the pb on the site ?
12:46:19	Bg3r	tongas someone fscking spammer has hacked it
12:46:42	tongas	but why / what for ?
12:47:03	tongas	a rbx jealous guy or something ?
12:47:15	Bg3r	12:47AM <Bagder> sorry stopping web server now
12:47:32	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> ls -la twiki/
12:47:33	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> total 16
12:47:33	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> drwxr−−r−− 3 www-data www-data 4096 Jul 5 23:48 .
12:47:33	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bg3r
12:47:33	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> drwxrwsr-x 53 bjst rockbox 8192 Jul 5 14:29 ..
12:47:33	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> -rw-r−−r−− 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 5 23:39
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12:47:33	Bg3r	.If_you_will_not_allow_me_to_make_that_that_I_want_-_I_to_you_shall_erase_all_site
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12:47:34	Bg3r	12:49AM <Bagder> -rw-r−−r−− 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 5 23:41 .You_are_guilty!
12:48:04	_FireFly_	moep
12:48:50	Bg3r	01:05AM <scorche> Bagder: what are your speculations so far?
12:48:51	Bg3r	01:05AM <Bagder> the guy edited our twiki/.htaccess repeatedly
12:48:51	Bg3r	01:05AM <Bagder> but always created the file with www-data/www-data which is what apache runs as
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12:48:51	Bg3r	01:05AM <Bagder> so I have no doubts he used some web based hole
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12:48:51	Bg3r	01:06AM <Bagder> and we didn't see this until like 24 hours ago which is after we upgraded twiki
12:48:51	***	Alert Mode level 5
12:48:51	Bg3r	01:06AM <Bagder> but then, we're under some heavy spam attacks
12:48:54	Bg3r	01:06AM <Bagder> we've been a bit too busy with things so I'm not sure when the .htaccess thing started
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12:50:31	tongas	i don't really understand everything, but i guess he was bad intentionned...
12:51:10	amiconn	Bagder: Just a question, what's the reason you'rer using .htaccess files
12:51:12	amiconn	?
12:52:02	amiconn	When I have to configure an apache server, I don't really trust those files.
12:52:02	tongas	what does mean "no ETA yet" ?
12:52:35	Bg3r	tongas ETA estimated Time of Arrival
12:52:48	tongas	hmmm
12:53:34	tongas	forums are not available, contrary to what is said on the page
12:53:41	Bg3r	they are
12:53:44	pondlife	tongas: they are
12:53:49	Bg3r	i'm just browsing them
12:53:51	tongas	oups, yes
12:54:15	tongas	they weren't, 30' ago
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12:57:55	apo`	WB(juxtap)WB - <juxtap> craftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
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13:00:11	XavierGr	?
13:01:43	lou	lol apo` :)
13:01:47	lou	knew it
13:01:55	lou	did he end up with a broken ipod?
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13:03:00	apo`	WB(juxtap)WB - <juxtap> craftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
13:03:06	juxtap	blink
13:03:21	Genre9mp3	haha
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13:15:55	apo`	juxtap: :P
13:16:02	apo`	That's why I wanted you to rejoin yesterday
13:16:25	apo`	lou: No, I don't think so.
13:16:33	lou	i see
13:16:36	apo`	Rockbox prolly started, but he still was claiming that it didn't work.
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13:16:48	apo`	Anyway, I hope that he'll send it to apple
13:16:53	apo`	Or let his brother fix it
13:17:01	lou	:)
13:17:11	apo`	... Whatever. As long as he stays the f*ck away from me it's fine :P
13:17:13	darkless	with a sledgehammer
13:17:34	darkless	@ "let his brother fix it"
13:17:49	apo`	^^
13:18:19	lou	the lack of knowledge was actually entertaining
13:18:26	apo`	Okay... since Nero fails at encoding my movies for DVD, I'm gonna have to try myself...
13:18:29	apo`	lou: No
13:18:31	apo`	Not really
13:18:35	apo`	Not for 90 minutes
13:18:36	lou	was for me
13:18:41	lou	no doubt haha
13:19:01	apo`	At some point I seriously wanted to bang somebody's head against the wall
13:19:12	apo`	Even mine, just to make the pain end :P
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13:19:28	lou	i laughed in real life when you were like 'now i wait for "how do i paste"'
13:19:39	lou	and in the very next line he said 'how do i paste?'
13:19:43	apo`	And I slapped my forehead when he asked
13:19:48	lou	hehe
13:20:31	lou	he is better without rockbox anyway
13:20:42	lou	original fw will work fine for him
13:20:56	apo`	Yeah
13:20:58	XavierGr	he really asked how to paste?
13:21:02	apo`	_Yes_.
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13:21:20	XavierGr	I am wondering how he manages to use a PC or connect to IRC
13:21:40	Genre9mp3	XavierGr: That craftkid is Mekrob... I think you get the point now...
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13:21:46	floody	hi
13:22:04	PaulJam	Genre9mp3: i thougt it was his brother
13:22:17	apo`	Nah
13:22:27	XavierGr	who is Mekrob?
13:22:42	lou	using a pc is 'switch it on, use xp home preinstalled'
13:22:54	lou	using IRC might be a little trickier
13:23:00	Genre9mp3	XavierGr: You' ll find him at the logs ;)
13:23:08	XavierGr	lou: yes and paste is even easier. Ctrl-v
13:23:17	Genre9mp3	PaulJam: Don't really know for sure, but anyway..
13:23:24	lou	dude! he had to copy some stuff from a dos box first!
13:23:26	apo`	Yesterday, from 5:30pm till 7pm, GMT+1
13:23:28	lou	dont underestimate that
13:23:29	XavierGr	you meant that guy that cane here and was spamming?
13:23:30	lou	;)
13:23:53	XavierGr	^came
13:23:55	Genre9mp3	XavieGr: Not spam, actually....just full of questions
13:24:03	XavierGr	ah then I missed him
13:24:08	XavierGr	the and result?
13:24:13	XavierGr	^end
13:24:31	apo`	He got rockbox to work
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13:24:38	apo`	But was still claiming that it didn't
13:24:49	XavierGr	go figure
13:24:58	apo`	That guy needs to be shot
13:25:04	Genre9mp3	And apo` was about to kill him! :)
13:25:06	Genre9mp3	haha
13:25:07	lou	fuck knows what he did with his ipod tbh
13:25:22	apo`	Actually, I was being pretty friendly.
13:25:33	apo`	lemme grep my line...
13:25:38	Genre9mp3	Not after 90 mins... ;)
13:26:18	lou	(\|apo\|) craftkid: You know what? You either go learn something about command prompts and stuff now and come back later, then I'll help you. Or you ask your dear bro when he comes back. This is too frustrating for me, sorry.
13:26:22	lou	>_<
13:26:28	apo`	Nah. Not that.
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13:26:51	apo`	channel_#rockbox.alle networks_2006.07.04.log:24 [18:58:49] <♥11!ncapo`♥> You know what? I'll be mean from now on. FUCK YOU. I've
13:26:51	apo`	been sitting here for 90 effing minutes and helping you. For free, and without one little thank you. Now go screw yourself.
13:26:53	apo`	That :P
13:27:10	XavierGr	LOL
13:27:21	lou	hehe
13:27:34	apo`	After being told to thank us for helping him he said that I'd been mean and wouldn't thank me.
13:27:39	apo`	Then I got pissed off :P
13:27:57	lou	rofl
13:27:59	lou	best guy
13:28:00	apo`	#^_^#
13:28:12	lou	playstation generation
13:28:14	lou	zzZZzz
13:28:25	apo`	I doubt he knows how to handle a playstation :P
13:28:32	lou	good point
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13:29:11	apo`	And I don't think that I'm much older than he is.
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13:29:15	*	apo` is 17
13:29:24	apo`	He's probably 13-16
13:31:08	lou	i was 17 17 years ago
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13:31:47	apo`	Old fart =P
13:42:39	*	apo` pokes lou
13:48:20	lou	i am not that old
13:51:43	apo`	Oh, he still lives
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14:20:33	Duppy	hi all!
14:21:28	Duppy	I'm looking for help on building firmware image for ondiofm
14:21:46	Duppy	any one wants to talk of it in PM?
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14:25:53	Bg3r	toots ask here...
14:26:00	toots	ok thks
14:26:24	toots	I have done the steps mentioned there: http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:-omclPjfoJQJ:www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-02/0665.shtml+rockbox+flash+template&hl=fr&gl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=3&ie=UTF-8
14:26:58	toots	I used my ROM dump as a template, the bootloader built from flash/bootloader,
14:27:18	apo`	God... firefox sucks ~_~
14:27:25	toots	the original firmware decrambled and ucl packaed, and the rockbox.ucl built from normal build
14:27:58	toots	make_firmawre firmware_ondiofm.bin template bootlader.ajz original.ucl rockbox.ucl
14:28:23	toots	but the firware flashing plugin keeps telling me the file is not at a good format for my harward (ondio fm)
14:29:44	Bg3r	amiconn ?
14:29:46	toots	am I wrong some where?
14:30:12	Bg3r	i can't help you, but i guess amiconn can...
14:30:17	toots	ok
14:31:33	toots	Bg3r: BTW, is there an alternative place to download bootbox files that were in the twiki root?
14:32:31	Bg3r	toots i don't know, i don't own an archos jukebox and i'm not into these things ...
14:33:16	toots	ok thks anyway
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15:58:16	Panda-	anyone has a pdf or link on how to install rockbox on H300 players?
15:59:08	Zagor	the manual covers installation, doesn't it?
15:59:17	Zagor	(I honestly don't know)
15:59:22	Zagor	the manuals are still online
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16:00:09	Panda-	oohh
16:00:09	Panda-	didn't visit the website :D
16:00:09	Panda-	my bad, thanks
16:02:21	Panda-	where can I get the bootloader?
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16:06:31	Zagor	it's not available at the moment, while we reconstruct the server. perhaps someone here can send it to you?
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16:09:43	Panda-	sure
16:09:51	Panda-	anyone?
16:09:52	Panda-	:D
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16:41:16	Criamos	let me see
16:41:30	Panda-	yay
16:41:47	Criamos	i think it must be fwpatcher.exe
16:41:58	Criamos	yeah, found it
16:42:28	Panda-	yeah, that's what I need
16:42:39	Criamos	just open the firmware with it and it'll patch it
16:42:53	Panda-	I know, could you dcc it to me plz?
16:42:53	Criamos	then upgrade your firmware on your player et voil�
16:43:10	Criamos	i already started to DCC you
16:43:18	Criamos	awaiting reply
16:43:20	Panda-	hmmm
16:43:28	Criamos	resend...
16:43:50	Panda-	hmmm
16:43:52	Panda-	weird
16:44:04	Panda-	let me reconnect
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16:44:25	Criamos	now?
16:44:28	Panda-	yea
16:44:44	Criamos	awaiting reply
16:44:50	Criamos	hmmm, one moment
16:45:38	Criamos	http://rapidshare.de/files/25105670/fwpatcher.exe.html
16:45:45	Criamos	i uploaded it on RS
16:45:51	Panda-	thanks!
16:46:09	Criamos	np :) ingame again (WoW)
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16:56:38	preglow	sweet god, the heat
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17:03:33	apo`	WB(juxtap)WB - <juxtap> craftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
17:03:46	preglow	oh god, they've figured us out
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17:03:53	crashd	to the mansion in cuba!
17:04:44	juxtap	heh, enough apo` :p
17:05:14	Genre9mp3	nice script there apo` :P
17:06:09	crwl	nasty script...
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17:18:14	toots	can anyone send me the bootbox_ondiofm.zip by mail?
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17:48:09	aCiD2	Hey all
17:48:29	aCiD2	How do I boot back into normal firmware, instead of rockbox? I'm sure I read this on the wiki, but it's down :(
17:48:49	PaulJam	which device?
17:48:57	aCiD2	Oh, sorry - iPod Video (5G)
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17:49:33	PaulJam	sorry, then i can't help you.
17:49:49	aCiD2	No problem, hopefully someone here can :)
17:50:00	obo	hold menu, until you see a message about starting origional firmware
17:50:15	obo	make sure you keep your finger still, wiggling tends to make it not work :)
17:50:23	aCiD2	I tried restarting and continually holding menu, but it didn't seem to work
17:50:26	aCiD2	ahh, ok, I'll try again
17:51:26	aCiD2	nope, it just goes straight into rockbox :/
17:51:52	aCiD2	ahhaaa
17:51:58	aCiD2	You really do have to keep still :P
17:52:03	aCiD2	Thanks obo!
17:52:07	Panda-	I get this .rockbox not found. installation incomplete
17:52:21	Panda-	what's wrong? ( I have .rockbox and rockbox.iriver in my root )
17:53:43	PaulJam	the .rockbox folder is not found on the root of your player.
17:54:19	PaulJam	sorry. havent read the second post.
17:54:59	PaulJam	you could try to copy it again.
17:55:09	Panda-	tried that twice :[
17:55:16	Panda-	and redownloaded too
17:58:27	Panda-	can you charge the H300 with rockbox via USB
17:58:27	Panda-	?
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18:00:05	PaulJam	i think you need to hold down the record button while inserting the usb cable.
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18:04:06	Panda-	for switching to original firmware
18:04:08	Panda-	just
18:04:11	Panda-	hold down record
18:04:16	Panda-	and hit "on"
18:04:19	Panda-	for how long?
18:05:10	PaulJam	hold "record" and "on/play" until you see the bootscreen of the iriver firmware
18:06:29	Panda-	doesnt seem to work...
18:06:34	Panda-	original firmware corrupted :\|?
18:07:07	Panda-	when deleting the rockbox.iriver file.... the H300 doesnt boot anymroe
18:07:09	Panda-	anymore*
18:07:28	PaulJam	what happens? does the bootloader say something like "loading original firmware..." ?
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18:09:14	Panda-	bootloader gives result -1 and shuts down the device
18:10:05	PaulJam	but you're holding down both "record" and "play"?
18:10:10	Panda-	yep
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18:11:15	PaulJam	what happens if you only hold play?
18:11:50	Panda-	I tried holding record while pluggin usb cable
18:11:50	Panda-	works
18:12:02	Panda-	but it's weird
18:12:18	Panda-	I patched my 1.29K firmware with fwpatcher.exe V6,V5
18:12:29	Panda-	then unplugged
18:12:36	Panda-	firmware upgrade in menu
18:12:50	Panda-	then replug and extrat .rockbox and rockbox.iriver
18:12:57	Panda-	did I miss something?
18:13:12	PaulJam	yes, that is the correct procedure.
18:13:53	Panda-	could it be that battery was too low?
18:14:27	PaulJam	you should always have the charger connected while doing a firmwareupgrade.
18:15:17	Panda-	I don't have the AC adapter...
18:15:35	Panda-	Im gonna have it in a few days though
18:16:05	PaulJam	how low is the battery? the voltage is shown in the rockbox bootloader.
18:17:03	Panda-	3.75V
18:17:43	Panda-	actually, I don't know
18:17:44	PaulJam	hmm, that is quite low (~30%),
18:17:48	Panda-	ah
18:17:51	Panda-	okay
18:17:56	Panda-	I wasnt sure
18:18:22	Panda-	on the back of the device it indicates 3.7V
18:18:36	Panda-	anyways
18:18:42	Panda-	is charging over USB bad?
18:19:04	Panda-	I read that somewhere @ misticriver's forum
18:19:22	Panda-	and how long does it take to fully charge the device?
18:19:58	PaulJam	i don't think charging over usb is bad
18:20:34	PaulJam	charging over usb is slow, so it may take a while.
18:22:37	PaulJam	but please don't make the mistake and use a wrong (polarity/voltage) charger. many irivers were killed this way.
18:25:05	Panda-	alright
18:25:32	Panda-	I just got my H320 yesterday, don't wanna fry it yet :p
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18:53:09	bense	greetings
18:55:15	bense	anyone kind enough to send a n00b like me the rockdoom.wad
18:58:26	Panda-	accept dcc request bense
18:59:36	apo`	[17:05:15] <Genre9mp3> nice script there apo` :P < Thanks :P
18:59:55	apo`	Bah, he's not here.
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19:00:44	bense	i don't know how to accept with irssi :\|
19:00:59	bense	i'm a X noob usually
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19:55:49	theprodukkt	hello
19:57:07	theprodukkt	could somebody do some screenshots of the id-tag-based rockbox track-database (or however to call it) and if u have the h3x0 from the orginal firmware database?
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19:57:40	theprodukkt	it would nice if you could make them fast and send them to me (mail) or host it in the internet
19:57:51	theprodukkt	you would help me a lot
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19:59:19	theprodukkt	does rockbox use the wheelfunction from the ipod?
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20:04:44	thprdkkt	already somebody answered to my request?
20:05:36	thprdkkt	is nobody here?
20:07:56	PaulJam	you could download the manual for the iriver, on page 54 are some screens of the iriver db. the firmware has no screenshot option, so it could be problematic to make the scrreens yourself.
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20:08:24	thprdkkt	where can i get it?
20:08:42	PaulJam	somewhere on the iriver website
20:09:12	thprdkkt	maybe you could do a picture with a camera?
20:09:21	thprdkkt	some screenshots
20:09:27	thprdkkt	of each selection
20:09:33	thprdkkt	the manual is a big file :(
20:09:42	thprdkkt	and if i remember right there werent many pics
20:09:52	thprdkkt	just one which doesnt help me out
20:09:59	PaulJam	i have only a crappy camera from my mobile phone
20:10:10	thprdkkt	it would be enough i think
20:10:20	thprdkkt	i just would like to know how exactly it works
20:10:28	thprdkkt	and how its designet
20:10:32	thprdkkt	-t+d
20:16:35	thprdkkt	so heres nobody with a camera and a h3x0?
20:16:59	thprdkkt	is the handling of the rockbox (trackselection) as easy as on the iPod?
20:18:13	PaulJam	i think you will not find many people here that use te original firmware, an if they use it, it is likely that they don't use the crappy db of the iriver firmware.
20:20:30	thprdkkt	why crappy?
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20:22:17	PaulJam	the db needs to be created manually on the pc, the db-tool provided by iriver often crashes and the boot time greatly increases with db enabled
20:23:05	PaulJam	some people reportrd a boot time of over 60 secons with db
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20:24:00	thprdkkt	is the rb(rockbox <- is rb ok?)-database as easy to handle then the one from the apple firmware?
20:26:26	PaulJam	i don't know, i don't have an ipod and i prefer filetree based navigation.
20:26:45	Hansmaulwurf	me too
20:27:02	thprdkkt	it might be hard if u have thousands of songs
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20:28:51	PaulJam	the problem with tagdbs is that cds with multiple artists mess up the artists-view.
20:29:13	Mikachu	how so?
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20:30:10	Hansmaulwurf	(thprdkkt) it might be hard if u have thousands of songs <−− sort it with directories
20:30:19	PaulJam	you end up many artists that only have one song on the player.
20:30:32	Hansmaulwurf	and?
20:30:58	Mikachu	that would sort of be the point
20:31:49	theprodukkt	idea! feature request! invisibility in the rb db for artists with less then x songs, what do u think 'bout that?
20:33:54	PaulJam	i think it is a question of personal preference, some people like huge artists lists, and some people don't.
20:34:01	theprodukkt	^^
20:34:39	theprodukkt	i thought of x as a variable which can be changed from the settings menu of the rb
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20:39:11	theprodukkt	in which points the RB runs not that good on the iPod then on the iRiver?
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20:42:28	PaulJam	the codecs are not much optimized yet, so the playback might skip if you use cpu intensive features (crossfeed, equalizer, peakmeter, etc.). And the batterylife is worse than in the apple firmware.
20:43:30	theprodukkt	the problem with the batterlife is on every platform, isnt it?
20:43:37	Hansmaulwurf	nope
20:43:57	Hansmaulwurf	H100 series is a little better than the iriver fw
20:44:08	Hansmaulwurf	and i think the H300 series is almost the same
20:44:19	PaulJam	at the moment only X5 and ipod, on the other targets battery is better than retail os.
20:44:20	Hansmaulwurf	Dont know about the archos players
20:46:17	theprodukkt	@ PaulJam : might you explain me short how the rb-db works?
20:46:53	theprodukkt	means: which keys to press and what does he show then
20:47:16	Hansmaulwurf	there are two kind of "databases"
20:47:34	*	theprodukkt didnt know of that
20:47:37	Hansmaulwurf	the normal filetree-database
20:47:48	theprodukkt	this isnt realy a db, is it?
20:47:54	theprodukkt	no im thinking of the id tag based
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20:48:27	Hansmaulwurf	well
20:48:32	PaulJam	theprodukkt: rockbox manual for ipod video: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060706.pdf
20:48:36	Hansmaulwurf	it uses the ID tags ;)
20:48:55	theprodukkt	the filetree database?
20:49:07	Hansmaulwurf	no
20:49:09	Hansmaulwurf	tagchace
20:49:15	Hansmaulwurf	cache
20:49:32	theprodukkt	^^
20:49:42	theprodukkt	is exactly like the one from iriver?
20:49:56	theprodukkt	@ PaulJam : thanks
20:50:35	Hansmaulwurf	page 21
20:50:57	theprodukkt	first i have to dload it... might take some time with isdn :(
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20:51:26	Hansmaulwurf	its only 1MB
20:51:42	theprodukkt	^^
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20:52:12	theprodukkt	didnt notice
20:53:32	theprodukkt	i wonder how many people are in this channel...
20:53:39	theprodukkt	all developers?
20:54:27	Bg3r	theprodukkt does this nick have any connection with theprodukkt.de ? :P
20:55:12	theprodukkt	theres such a site?
20:55:18	theprodukkt	shit
20:55:34	theprodukkt	ill check it ;)
20:55:56	theprodukkt	yes
20:55:57	Bg3r	they have very interesting demos in only 64-96kbytes
20:56:01	Bg3r	haha
20:56:03	theprodukkt	i stole the nick from that crew
20:56:07	PaulJam	heh, now i know why this nick sounded somehow familiar to me.
20:56:08	theprodukkt	i love it
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20:56:37	theprodukkt	thanks bg3r
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20:57:10	theprodukkt	have u already tried to play kkrieger?
20:57:24	Bg3r	yep
20:57:34	theprodukkt	i still cant believe its just that small
20:57:43	theprodukkt	unbeliveable
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20:59:18	apo`	Does anybody here know stuff about CCE?
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21:08:57	theprodukkt	what is cce?
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21:09:22	apo`	cinema craft encoder
21:10:08	*	theprodukkt thinks he could know something: it sounds like it would be an encoder ;)
21:10:49	apo`	http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6633/cce6we.png <−− When I encode the file with those settings the length goes from 84s to 26s ~_~
21:11:29	theprodukkt	looks difficult :/
21:11:34	apo`	Yeah
21:11:40	apo`	I did it like in the guide on doom9
21:11:46	apo`	But... >_>
21:12:06	theprodukkt	hm
21:12:16	theprodukkt	did u specify the filesize?
21:12:26	apo`	Nah
21:12:35	apo`	That's calculated from the length and the bitrate
21:12:53	theprodukkt	so i cant help u :(
21:13:00	apo`	Bleh
21:13:36	*	theprodukkt still didnt find any screenshots of the tagcache-db :(
21:14:27	hardeep	what kind of screenshots are you looking for?
21:15:19	theprodukkt	screenshots of the tagcache-tree (best on a h3x0)
21:15:26	theprodukkt	would like to know how it looks
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21:15:45	hardeep	why not just use it on your device and see?
21:16:01	*	theprodukkt dont have a device
21:16:04	theprodukkt	but
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21:16:12	*	theprodukkt will buy one today
21:16:14	theprodukkt	but
21:16:24	*	theprodukkt dont know if he wants the ipod or the h340
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21:16:29	theprodukkt	thats why
21:16:46	*	theprodukkt wants to see scrennshots from the tagcache-tree
21:16:50	theprodukkt	because
21:17:10	*	theprodukkt thinks the tagcache from the iriver is bad...
21:17:16	hardeep	i don't think the screenshots will be all that different for the two devices when looking at the tagcache tree
21:17:29	PaulJam	i don't think there is really much you can do wrong, both devices are very good (and both are supported by rockbox)..
21:17:59	theprodukkt	but im scared of the navigating / track choosing system of the iriver h340
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21:18:16	hardeep	it's identical between ipod and iriver, assuming you're using rockbosx
21:18:18	hardeep	rockbox
21:18:23	theprodukkt	^^ yes
21:18:33	PaulJam	but you will use rockbox once you have tried it.
21:18:34	theprodukkt	but is the rockbox tagcache as good as the one from apple?
21:19:10	hardeep	it doesn't have smart playlist support
21:19:11	theprodukkt	does it work the same way? (interpret -> album -> track
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21:19:22	theprodukkt	smart playlist?
21:19:32	hardeep	yeah, in that regard it's the same
21:19:41	hardeep	itunes smart playlists
21:19:53	theprodukkt	dont know so i wont miss :)
21:20:35	Mikachu	isn't the searchbox thing like smart playlists but better?
21:21:57	theprodukkt	what happens to the warranty if i take rb to my new h340?
21:22:47	petur	poof
21:23:07	petur	actually, it seems to depend on the place you return it to
21:23:21	theprodukkt	amazon
21:23:41	petur	I'd remove rb before returning anywhere
21:23:45	theprodukkt	^^
21:23:51	theprodukkt	i just wantet to ask
21:24:09	PaulJam	http://www.iriver.eu.com/rma_warranty.html?&L=1
21:24:11	theprodukkt	is it possible to delete it completely
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21:24:42	petur	yes, delete the rockbox files and reflash it with unpatchedl firmware
21:24:48	petur	unpatched even
21:25:20	theprodukkt	is there a risc at rockbox
21:25:31	theprodukkt	might the player get damaged?
21:26:11	petur	many people have been using it quite some time now without major issues
21:27:05	PaulJam	the danger is always there, but afaik no one has managed to brick his h3xx because of rockbox yet
21:27:17	Hansmaulwurf	ses
21:27:19	Hansmaulwurf	yes
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21:27:20	petur	flashing is the only point where things can go wrong, but that's also true when upgrading with iriver firmware so that's not a rockbox risc
21:28:03	petur	actually the risc is very small
21:28:08	theprodukkt	ok
21:28:23	theprodukkt	is somebody here using the rb tagcache?
21:28:28	Hansmaulwurf	problem is, when your player dies, and rockbox is not the reason, but you cant flash back to normal fw, it could be that iriver or apple wont repair it
21:28:45	Hansmaulwurf	that is the only risk
21:28:51	theprodukkt	is there no way to flash it back?
21:29:26	*	petur just noticed he's using processor architecture names in stead of proper english
21:29:31	Hansmaulwurf	when your player is really dead (HD crashed, or you throw it down from the 8th floor)...
21:29:33	PaulJam	if for example the hd dies you can't flash a "clean" firmware anymore
21:31:06	theprodukkt	but isnt the firmware on a rom ram ... ?
21:31:29	Hansmaulwurf	but the rockbox dir is on the HD
21:31:36	PaulJam	yes, but to get the firmware on the player you need to put it on the hd
21:31:37	Slasheri	of course it could be possible to add an option to the rb bootloader so it can clean itself from the flash, but that would require much unnecessary coding effort
21:31:49	Hansmaulwurf	its a really hard evidence you used rockbox ;)
21:32:34	Hansmaulwurf	but the risk is really small
21:32:35	theprodukkt	Hansmaulwurf: the rockbox dir is allowed, just the firmware...
21:33:09	theprodukkt	but id be pissed off if my hd would get broken after 1 year and i couldnt let repair it
21:33:26	Hansmaulwurf	but why should you have a rockbox dir on your HD when you are not using rockbox?
21:33:37	petur	it would be the opportunity to make it a h360 or h380 ;)
21:33:59	PaulJam	but how likely is it that the hd dies and it wasn't your own fault.
21:34:07	theprodukkt	dont know
21:34:10	theprodukkt	might happen ;)
21:34:21	theprodukkt	petur: how?
21:34:41	petur	by installing a new (bigger) disk
21:34:45	PaulJam	replace the hd yourself with a bigger one
21:35:01	petur	that will void your warranty ;)
21:35:21	theprodukkt	i dont care
21:35:27	theprodukkt	the h320 costs 230�
21:35:31	theprodukkt	the 340 350�
21:35:45	Hansmaulwurf	230?
21:35:46	theprodukkt	it would be cheaper to make a 340 on my own, wouldn it?
21:35:50	Hansmaulwurf	what shop?
21:35:55	PaulJam	i'm still waiting for my hd to die, that i have a reason to buy a 30GiB one.
21:36:05	Hansmaulwurf	me too PaulJam
21:36:32	*	theprodukkt has an idea
21:36:50	theprodukkt	everybody should write in 1 line which player he has!
21:36:53	*	theprodukkt has no player
21:37:03	PaulJam	h320
21:37:03	petur	PaulJam: HD's are expressed in GB, not GiB
21:37:11	Hansmaulwurf	h120
21:37:46	theprodukkt	do u think of a 30gb hd or a new player?
21:37:51	PaulJam	petur: yes, i realized that after hitting enter, but i havent yet found out how to edit posts on irc
21:38:22	theprodukkt	top right corner: edit ;)
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21:40:16	theprodukkt	petur: is it that easy to insert a bigger hd?
21:40:51	theprodukkt	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=55a4ed4168b60fbacdeda468a0a02c1b&topic=2738.msg19044#msg19044
21:40:55	theprodukkt	In case somebody got the same problem what you need is a 1.8 to 3.5 adapter so you can hook another drive to reflash the player with a non-rockboxed hex.
21:40:55	theprodukkt	I'll upgrade to a 60gb hard drive.
21:41:01	theprodukkt	^^ is that right?
21:41:37	petur	there are guides on the net (misticriver) that show step by step how to upgrade to a bigger battery and disk
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21:43:23	theprodukkt	ill have a look
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21:44:56	theprodukkt	i heared (read) about a bug in the iriver firmware while charging the h3x0, do you know it?
21:46:17	PaulJam	what bug?
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21:47:05	theprodukkt	dont exactly remember
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21:47:41	theprodukkt	is it possible to charge while transfering data by usb?
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21:48:43	PaulJam	yes, but you can't listen to music while charging over usb (at least with the iriver firmware) and it is slow.
21:49:10	theprodukkt	is it possible with rockbox?
21:49:48	PaulJam	while tranferring data it draws more power than usb can provide.
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21:54:46	petur	theprodukkt: there's a patch that should get committed soon that will give rockbox the ability to draw more power from usb
21:54:57	Mikachu	on ipod?
21:55:14	petur	sorry, h3x0
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22:04:52	thprdkkt	wow
22:04:57	thprdkkt	my old nick is still here...
22:08:39	thprdkkt	when will the homepage be back?
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22:15:15	thprdkkt	so quiet?
22:15:20	thprdkkt	boooring
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22:17:40	thprdkkt	does irc much traffic?
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22:26:42	thprdkkt	ah, my nick is free
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22:27:19	apo`	Alright
22:27:27	apo`	I know what was wrong with my encoded file
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22:27:36	apo`	Something with VBR - with CBR it works just fine
22:27:37	*	theprodukkt wants 2 know!
22:27:43	theprodukkt	strange
22:27:46	apo`	Now I just have to find out _what_
22:27:59	theprodukkt	maybe a bug in the player?
22:28:13	apo`	When opening the file with VBR in zoomplayer it says that the fps are changing
22:28:16	apo`	Which is strange
22:28:23	apo`	So now I'm gonna try another plyaer
22:28:23	apo`	^^
22:28:26	theprodukkt	^^
22:30:03	petur	apo`: some players constantly show the current bitrate, others show that of the first frame, others show an average
22:30:33	petur	imho this is useless as VBR means variable bitrate
22:31:00	Mikachu	average is useful to know
22:31:14	Mikachu	but it should also say it's vbr
22:31:23	apo`	VirtualDubMod shows 1:26m - which is correct
22:31:28	apo`	VLC shows no time at all
22:31:35	apo`	zoomplayer says 24 seconds
22:35:18	apo`	I think I'm just gonna burn a DVD and try if it works :P
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23:21:10	petur	seems lordi was in Belgium and they catched the only thunderstorm in weeks - concert canceled as it was in outdoor
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23:21:44	theprodukkt\|away	lordi needs the thunderstorm i think..
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23:33:15	*	petur thinks theprodukkt should disable those scripts in his irc client
23:33:43	theprodukkt	why?
23:34:10	*	theprodukkt disabled the awayscript
23:34:17	petur	thanks
23:34:27	theprodukkt	isnt it better if someone who wants to talk to me knows im away?
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23:37:02	midkay	who'd want to talk to you anyways though!
23:37:09	midkay	ooooooo. hushed silence
23:37:11	apo`	He'd notice anyway
23:49:30	theprodukkt	wenn ich jetz bei amazon bestelle ist der samstag da oder?
23:49:39	theprodukkt	der mp3 player
23:50:06	petur	english bitte
23:50:18	theprodukkt	yes sry
23:50:30	theprodukkt	but its not such a international question ;)
23:50:48	theprodukkt	just asked if i order my pm3player at amazon now
23:50:49	apo`	if you're lucky :P
23:51:06	theprodukkt	would it be here saturday
23:51:21	petur	which one are you going for?
23:51:38	theprodukkt	h340
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23:51:53	theprodukkt	one more question, can i order it on my name (im 16)?
23:51:57	petur	good. make sure you get the international version, not US
23:52:03	jazzbone	you can opt for quicker delivery, can't you?
23:52:18	theprodukkt	jes
23:52:30	theprodukkt	but im not gonna pay 12� for overnight
23:52:39	theprodukkt	xpress should be fast enough
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23:53:58	petur	theprodukkt: if you care about usbotg, make sure it's an international version
23:54:21	theprodukkt	international?
23:54:31	petur	there are two versions
23:54:31	theprodukkt	i care about it
23:54:40	theprodukkt	does it mean i need the us version?
23:54:44	jazzbone	theprodukkt: where's the difference between xpress and overnight?
23:55:36	petur	theprodukkt: the US version has no powered usbotg port so that won't work. the international version has full usbotg.
23:55:54	theprodukkt	i would buy the european/german
23:55:58	theprodukkt	is this the international
23:56:08	theprodukkt	?
23:56:14	apo`	Prolly
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23:56:21	petur	should be, better be sure...
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23:57:46	theprodukkt	one more specific question (german sry)
23:58:04	theprodukkt	wenn ich per bankeinzug zahle dann versenden die das doch trotzdem sofort oder?
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