#rockbox 2006-07-08

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#rockbox log for 2006-07-08

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00:15:00	LinasTheMagicDra	is 6v pushing it for powering an x5, if the charger outputs 5v?
00:15:20	*	Bagder has no clue
00:15:28	LinasTheMagicDra	neither do i
00:15:29	LinasTheMagicDra	=/
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00:23:18	S0ap	what is your 6v source?
00:24:00	\|apo\|	Ooooh lief klein konijntje... *hums
00:24:02	\|apo\|	< drunk :O
00:24:25	*	petur spots a Dutch person
00:24:32	\|apo\|	Uh
00:24:34	\|apo\|	I'm German
00:24:37	petur	oh
00:24:39	\|apo\|	And don't speak Dutch at all
00:24:39	\|apo\|	:P
00:24:47	petur	why the stupid Dutch song?
00:24:49	\|apo\|	But some Dutch tard sent me this song: DJ Neo & Wons Ft. Henkie - Lief Klein Konijntje
00:24:56	\|apo\|	Coz it's good when drunk
00:24:56	\|apo\|	:P
00:25:16	*	petur hates the song
00:25:21	\|apo\|	Me too
00:25:37	*	petur also hated that stupid crocodile song
00:25:44	\|apo\|	Schnappi?
00:25:46	\|apo\|	Ewwwwwww.
00:25:48	petur	yes
00:26:26	petur	when they play it 20 times a day on the radio ;)
00:26:39	\|apo\|	Reading Kafka in this state is nice
00:26:42	\|apo\|	Ouch
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00:27:10	\|apo\|	Are you Dutch>
00:27:17	petur	.be
00:27:18	\|apo\|	Or why'd you recognize the dong?
00:27:20	\|apo\|	song*
00:27:21	\|apo\|	~_~
00:27:27	\|apo\|	Uh...
00:27:35	petur	the upper part of .be
00:27:46	chromoXdor	#goa
00:27:58	chromoXdor	oh sorry wrong window
00:28:24	\|apo\|	^^
00:28:34	\|apo\|	Ah
00:28:35	\|apo\|	Belgium
00:29:03	disciple	HI, the 'documentation' link on rockbox.org doesn;t seem to be working, can anyone provide a proper link@?
00:29:32	Bagder	it links to the twiki and that part is currently down
00:29:40	\|apo\|	Rockbox web site is back. No twiki yet.
00:29:50	petur	rtft
00:29:54	\|apo\|	Read the topic next time
00:30:26	disciple	\|apo\|, not the wiki link the documentation link
00:30:50	\|apo\|	The documentation IS in the wiki
00:30:52	\|apo\|	-.-
00:31:19	\|apo\|	Now don't burden my brain anymore, I'm drunk
00:31:24	disciple	ah right cheers
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00:31:48	disciple	me too (drunk)
00:31:55	\|apo\|	^^
00:32:35	disciple	since the wiki is down could anyone point me in the right direction for a tool to load the rockbox.ipod file onto a nano?
00:33:33	\|apo\|	mv
00:33:33	\|apo\|	:P
00:34:23	disciple	oh as simple as that? Where do I stick it, onto the root?
00:35:14	\|apo\|	Yup
00:35:22	\|apo\|	Uh
00:35:22	Bagder	rockbox.ipod comes from a zip
00:35:28	Bagder	unzip the whole zip
00:35:32	\|apo\|	Oh well, ask Bagder :P
00:35:56	\|apo\|	I don't know the installation from heart, and I'm drunk. Not a good condition for doing tech support :P
00:36:23	disciple	Yep got the latest build. I just stick it on the nano on the root and nano will flash itself? (presumably after a reboot)
00:36:41	Bagder	no, you need to install the bootloader too
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00:37:17	disciple	Ah right, if it's a bit more involved then I might wait for the wiki tom come back up. Any idea if it'll be up by tomorrow?
00:37:31	Bagder	I'm quite sure it won't be
00:37:44	disciple	=?
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00:38:18	petur	I thought the hole was found, are there other problems with twiki?
00:38:19	disciple	have a rough idea when?
00:38:33	Bagder	within a week at least
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00:39:35	disciple	googlecache : http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:5CG0O18iEMMJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation+rockbox.ipod+install&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1
00:40:08	scorche	midkay:
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00:44:23	chromoXdor	has anybody an idea if its possible the the h300 is only powered by usb in usb mode??? without charging or consuming battery when using it as en external harddisk??????
00:45:17	Bagder	I'm quite sure it does not
00:45:23	chromoXdor	oh
00:45:28	Bagder	it is always running from batteries, afaik
00:45:28	chromoXdor	:-(
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00:46:12	petur	there's a patch in the tracker that enables powering over usb (I think)
00:46:36	chromoXdor	i know but it also charges the battery
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00:47:19	chromoXdor	thats the thing i don�t want
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00:49:47	kergoth	anyone have a link to the iriver firmawre patcher?
00:51:09	amiconn	chromoXdor: All rockbox targets which support rechargeable batteries are built in a way that they always run from battery, and use an external power source (dedicated charger or USB) only for charging
00:52:38	amiconn	The only exception (sort of) is the archos Ondio, which can run solely from usb power without batteries inserted, but the Ondio doesn't use usb power for charging, since it's designed to run from alkalines (although it can also run from rechargeable AAA batteries)
00:53:22	chromoXdor	amiconn: : thanks
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01:05:18	S0ap	amiconn - is this also the devices' native way of doing it, or just a rockbox convention?
01:05:54	amiconn	It's the hway the hardware is designed
01:06:47	chromoXdor	amiconn: so you can not try to say the charging mechanism that the battery iss full and will not be charged further?
01:06:47	chromoXdor	e.g when the charger is connected and the battery is full it runs also from battery and the chager powers only the battery?
01:07:46	amiconn	No. The charging is handled in hardware on all targets with LiIon or LiPolymer cells
01:07:51	S0ap	that seems like a good way to kill your device's Li battery
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01:08:16	S0ap	so running my ipod in a dock all day is constantly discharging and charging the battery?
01:08:24	amiconn	no
01:08:32	amiconn	That is, not necessarily
01:08:57	S0ap	[18:53:34] <amiconn> chromoXdor: All rockbox targets which support rechargeable batteries are built in a way that they always run from battery, and use an external power source (dedicated charger or USB) only for charging
01:08:57	amiconn	The charging chip tries to keep the battery full
01:10:20	chromoXdor	trickle charge?
01:10:37	amiconn	Once the charging state is approaching 100%, the current is reduced. If you're using the device meanwhile, current will reach a balance point in which the battery charging state won't change _on average_
01:10:56	amiconn	...i.e. the charging current is equal to the average current the device needs
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01:11:30	S0ap	still sounds like quite a killer of LiIon batts.
01:11:38	amiconn	why?
01:11:50	S0ap	They have a limited number of charge cycles.
01:12:03	amiconn	LiIon doesn't like extreme charging states, that's true
01:12:24	S0ap	like a couple of hundred deep charges, and ~1000 partial charges?
01:12:26	amiconn	The biggest threats for LiIon are, however, time and heat
01:13:05	amiconn	The ideal conditions for long-term storage are about 60% charge and low temperature (but not below 0 �C)
01:13:25	S0ap	Though, (and anicdotal evidence is worthless (and so is my spelling). My 1995 Toshiba laptop (P-133), which still gets used today, is still on it's original LiIon battery.
01:13:30	kergoth	fpwatcher anyone? :) i presume somebody has it mirrored
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01:15:51	\|apo\|	Drunk + reading BOFH = teh awesokme
01:15:54	\|apo\|	-k
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01:41:40	PaulJam	amiconn: didn't someone report that the h300 runs with only the charger connected (battery disconnected)?
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02:23:12	webguest55	Due to the twiki down; Any external link to an fwpatcer.exe for the iriver?
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02:29:39	shrimants	what do you recommend i install with rockbox along the lines of plugins or fonts etc. im using the 5g ipod video version
02:31:59	shrimants	anyone?
02:32:22	dwihno	I'm not sure whether the plugins contains the audio decoders
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02:33:05	shrimants	i only use mp3, so i dont think thats a problem
02:38:35	dwihno	mp3 is a codec
02:38:54	dwihno	but it might be a part of the dailies
02:39:29	S0ap	there are two custom builds on the forums for the 60gig 5G ipod
02:39:40	S0ap	I reccomend either of them.
02:40:39	S0ap	they both have a small number of additional patches applied to the stock build, the most important one (IMHO) being the patch to access all of the 60 giger's 64 megs of RAM, as the 30 giger only has 32.
02:40:40	shrimants	can someone find me a crack for Tag and Rename v. 3.2
02:40:54	S0ap	Those 32 megs of RAM help w/HD access.
02:40:56	shrimants	OR recomend an automatic ID tagging software?
02:41:03	shrimants	freeware
02:41:04	S0ap	automatic?
02:41:13	shrimants	like it queries the database
02:41:18	S0ap	THE database?
02:41:19	shrimants	CDDB or something
02:41:34	S0ap	CDDB works off of track lengths on the physical CD.
02:41:34	shrimants	or the one that the LCS track converter used
02:41:56	webguest55	Ok, no fwpatcher w/o wiki?!?
02:41:58	S0ap	Last.FM / Audioscrobbler has their own tagger.
02:42:03	shrimants	cool
02:42:09	shrimants	i will try them
02:42:13	S0ap	what's it called. Brainsomethingsomething.
02:42:18	shrimants	o but is it based on entire CD's?
02:42:29	shrimants	cuz i have whole albums
02:42:46	S0ap	But there is no substitute for actually looking at the CD case / Allmusic / Discogs and tagging it by hand, as CDDB is FULL of typo-monkeys.
02:43:11	shrimants	ok
02:43:16	shrimants	i will try something else then
02:43:20	shrimants	thanks
02:43:22	shrimants	l8r
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02:43:57	S0ap	too late for him, but for others, the automated tagger from Audioscrobbler is "MusicBrainz"
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02:46:38	kergoth	anyone have a link to the iriver fwpatcher? (yes, i know i shouldnt repeat, but.. :P)
02:48:06	webguest55	TG I'm not alone asking ;-)
02:49:02	kergoth	hehe
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02:51:12	Malnilion	MusicBrainz?
02:51:51	Malnilion	Actually MusicBrainz and Audioscrobbler are separate projects, S0ap.
02:52:41	Malnilion	It help Audioscrobbler (Last.fm) to tag your music with MusicBrainz because it reduces the amount of information that needs to be uploaded to the server by the Audioscrobbler plugin and reduces their bandwidth consumption.
02:52:48	Malnilion	helps*
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02:54:28	Malnilion	And, it prevents multiple spellings of the same song giving them headaches for counting playtimes.
02:54:46	Malnilion	Er, number of plays.
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03:00:51	webguest71	test
03:01:06	webguest71	webguest55,kergoth: http://download.rockbox-lounge.com/sonstiges/fwpatcher.exe
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03:02:53	kergoth	woot, thanks
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03:09:34	webguest55	webguest71, TNX!
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03:09:58	webguest55	opps... too late to thank him......
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03:26:20	kergoth	hmm, rockbox works spiffily out of the box. the themes sure are ugly on the h300 though, despite it having a nice color screen, its all black and white, or nearly so
03:26:29	webguest94	ey
03:26:36	webguest94	kergoth: get a WPS
03:26:49	kergoth	WPS?
03:26:57	webguest94	While Playing Screen
03:27:02	kergoth	ah
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03:27:25	webguest94	look in www.misticriver.net or www.rockbox.org
03:27:35	webguest94	look on the FAQs
03:28:01	webguest94	highly recommend DGT with or w/o Album Art
03:29:51	kergoth	cool, thanks much
03:29:54	webguest94	but you must install some Optimized builds for it to work
03:29:55	*	kergoth cant wait till the wiki is back :P
03:32:37	webguest94	kergoth: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=43295
03:32:47	webguest94	check that link..
03:32:51	Criamos	yeah, get the DGT wps
03:32:57	Criamos	I've got it on my h340, too
03:32:59	Criamos	<3 it
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03:36:44	kergoth	woot, not ugly
03:36:48	kergoth	:)
03:40:13	S0ap	Malnilion - my bad - I thought they were connected.
03:40:29	S0ap	I don't use it, as I think it labels untitled tracks incorrectly.
03:40:40	S0ap	amongst other issues.
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03:44:11	kergoth	woot, rockbox kicks ass. screw the original software
03:46:27	webguest94	remember you will need it for video or any rockbox funk ... ;)
03:46:59	webguest94	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0
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03:54:09	kergoth	hrm, copied over a different build,a dn its hanging at "Shutting down..."
03:55:52	kergoth	is there a way to force a power off?
03:57:01	kergoth	ah, reset button.
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04:10:39	KylePV	I wonder if i got this workin?...
04:14:08	KylePV	Anybody there, i don't know if i got this webclient irc channel to work. I don't want to set up GAIM, lazy...
04:14:10	midkay	if by 'this' you mean the web client, it would seem so :)
04:14:22	KylePV	or ok
04:14:52	KylePV	i'm just here to, well just watch
04:15:04	KylePV	i think i played you in HL2:DM before
04:15:42	KylePV	or sumn one with that name
04:15:55	midkay	played it a lot, so quite probable. :)
04:16:18	midkay	same nick in DM? can't recall really, although your name does seem a bit familiar..
04:16:31	KylePV	KyleV in HL2:DM
04:16:50	KylePV	may have killed you abit
04:16:55	midkay	haha. unlikely!
04:17:12	KylePV	if u say so
04:17:50	KylePV	ur a snipper type, always using the rocket launcher to kill people bellow, if the person was you
04:19:46	midkay	not at all, no.
04:20:10	KylePV	well then it was sum one else, or i recalled badly
04:21:56	midkay	possibly.
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05:40:30	toxicfume	where on the rockbox's official site can i get patches for the ipod 5g rockbox firmware?
05:41:32	midkay	the "patches" button.
05:42:44	toxicfume	ah, i see, thanks!
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06:19:45	Jungti1234	anyone have fwpatcher?
06:20:03	Jungti1234	please send to me...
06:22:06	Jungti1234	hello???
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06:39:49	Jungti1234	hey
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06:39:57	Jungti1234	anyone?
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07:26:02	Jungti1234	hey
07:26:03	Jungti1234	hello?
07:26:32	S0ap	?
07:26:46	Jungti1234	ah, hi
07:26:51	Jungti1234	you have fwpatcher?
07:26:59	S0ap	no
07:27:52	S0ap	did you look on the forums? You're not the only person asking for these since the wiki went down. There is a good chance a link to it has been posted in the forums. Not a promise, but a good chance.
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07:31:26	Jungti1234	ah... S0ap, thanks
07:31:28	Jungti1234	my mistake..
07:32:33	S0ap	so it was in there?
07:33:41	Jungti1234	oh
07:33:42	Jungti1234	no
07:33:55	Jungti1234	It's not right.
07:34:52	Jungti1234	hmm
07:35:23	Jungti1234	only H100 patcher?
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09:35:30	Jungti1234	hmm
09:38:15	Jungti1234	anyone?
09:39:09	midkay	someone!
09:39:21	Jungti1234	oh..
09:39:26	Jungti1234	hello midkay... :'(
09:39:34	midkay	why crying?
09:39:53	Jungti1234	No one answered...
09:40:05	Jungti1234	You answered only.
09:40:06	midkay	do you need something?
09:40:11	Jungti1234	yes..
09:40:16	Jungti1234	fwpatcher..
09:40:28	midkay	for what model?
09:40:34	Jungti1234	H100/H300
09:40:39	Jungti1234	and iPod
09:41:13	midkay	and you have checked the forums?
09:41:29	Jungti1234	yes
09:41:29	Jungti1234	but
09:41:54	Jungti1234	It can't use H300.
09:41:57	Jungti1234	H300 firmware
09:42:57	Jungti1234	And I found one information.
09:43:24	Jungti1234	But, I don't know whether it is certain.
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09:44:56	micmac	Hello!
09:45:42	Jungti1234	hi
09:45:53	micmac	:)
09:46:37	Jungti1234	http://www.krfm.co.jp/english/hybrid_ics/switch/KATC0814.html
09:47:16	Jungti1234	Iriver E10 is using chip that is written 'KATC'.
09:47:56	Jungti1234	and E8564 is not RTC-8564JE
09:48:18	Jungti1234	it is 'RX-8564LC'
09:48:21	Jungti1234	http://www.epsontoyocom.co.jp/english/product/RTC/RX-8564LC/RX-8564LC.html
09:50:25	Jungti1234	http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:BhfvQuv0PIwJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info+IriverE10Info&hl=ko&ct=clnk&cd=1
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09:54:38	Jungti1234	hmm...
09:54:41	Jungti1234	bye.
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10:11:21	micmac	Is there any way to get my hands on files like "bootloader-color.bin", "ipodpatcher.exe" and "ipod_fw.exe" while the Wiki remains down?
10:12:30	*	micmac 'd like to rockbox his dad's ipod
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10:25:49	kieran	hoi. anyone know where i can get a copy of fwpatcher since the twiki is down?
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10:26:51	kieran_	anyone even awake?
10:27:56	micmac	kieran_, I'm looking for the same info :D
10:28:03	kieran_	heh
10:28:15	micmac	Beats me.
10:29:20	kieran_	gimme a sec, am looking elsewhere also.
10:34:25	kieran_	okay, I've found _a_ version at http://psychomaniac.trybalink.net/rock_boxx/instalation/fwpatcher.exe
10:34:41	kieran_	I can't vounch for it though.
10:34:45	kieran_	vouch
10:35:02	kieran_	gonna give it a try anyhow!
10:35:27	kieran_	actually, that link should be fwpatcher6.exe
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10:37:22	kergoth	micmac:
10:37:23	kergoth	18:07 < webguest71> -webguest55,kergoth: http://download.rockbox-lounge.com/sonstiges/fwpatcher.exe
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10:37:31	kergoth	from earlier, it worked fine for me
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10:54:44	disciple	I know the wikis down but is there anywhere to grab the files mentioned in the wiki? Specifically ipodpatcher.exe, bootloader-nano.bin & ipod_fw.exe?
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11:16:03	disciple	or if not would anyone happen to have the files ipodpatcher.exe, bootloader-nano.bin & ipod_fw.exe they could send me at all?
11:16:55	disciple	The url for these files sits under the wiki tree so since the wiki is unavailable so are these files. :?
11:17:11	sheppard	yep
11:18:05	disciple	sheppard, cheers if I give you an email address could you send them?
11:18:21	sheppard	lol
11:18:24	sheppard	i dont have them
11:18:38	disciple	right
11:18:44	sheppard	i have the bootloader for the ipod video, but not nano
11:18:51	disciple	bugger
11:19:15	disciple	I'm following a googlecache of the wiki, unfortunately google doesn;t cache the files =(
11:19:35	sheppard	:(!
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11:30:50	micmac	http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585
11:31:01	micmac	Seems the Ipod files are in the zip.
11:31:29	disciple	micmac, cheers, I'll take a look at that. :)
11:31:39	micmac	Dated 19/05/06, maybe it works.
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11:34:25	disciple	thanks a lot, yes there all there. Files within the zip are dated 8/6/6 :)
11:36:30	juxtap	hmm, when i go to /artist/album/ it doesn't show any files except for .m3u
11:36:42	juxtap	it just happened all of a sudden
11:36:53	juxtap	any had this before?
11:37:46	sheppard	your player got hacked
11:39:08	juxtap	oh
11:39:59	juxtap	how the hell did it switch to show files 'playlists'... certainly wasn't me
11:40:02	juxtap	was it you sheppard?
11:40:08	sheppard	yeah sorry
11:40:09	juxtap	k
11:40:17	sheppard	its ust your collection of backstreet boys really disgusted me
11:40:24	juxtap	who?
11:40:25	sheppard	so i had to lay down some vengance upon you
11:40:39	juxtap	vengance?
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11:41:08	sheppard	nm
11:41:26	juxtap	oooh vengeance?
11:41:36	juxtap	..sigh
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11:49:42	disciple	anyone able to email me english.voice?
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12:36:40	disciple	is it possible to redefine buttons on the UI within rockbox
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12:37:33	Carstor_	hi everyone ...
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12:39:12	Carstor_	I hope it's not a dumb question, but where can i found the bootloader for my iriver h340 at the moment? it used to be in the twiki-part of the rockbox-site ...
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12:39:29	sheppard	hmm
12:39:30	sheppard	hold on
12:39:36	sheppard	i think i might be able to compile it for you
12:40:07	*	petur advises against using selfcompiled bootloaders
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12:40:50	Carstor_	that's what i just thought ... no offence to you sheppard ...
12:41:04	sheppard	why...
12:41:25	Carstor_	uhmmm ... do you trust anyone you met for the first time on the street? ;)
12:41:31	PaulJam	you can find a link to the fwpatcher here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=44020
12:41:32	sheppard	why not?
12:42:22	sheppard	bah
12:42:28	petur	well I guess you're right, the fwpatcher does md5 checks
12:42:29	sheppard	my cross compilier is broken anyway
12:42:30	sheppard	lame.
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12:43:13	Carstor_	hmmm, ok. so I've to be patient ...
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12:43:58	PaulJam	disciple: only some plugins allow to redefine the buttons, for everything else you need to change the sourcecode and compile youself.
12:44:23	Carstor_	i thought there might be "secret" links to some nightly builds in the cvs or something.
12:45:06	petur	Carstor_: I'm trying to dig one up for you in my archive
12:45:40	disciple	PaulJam, specifically I'm wanting to make the pitch shifting more immediately accessible without having to navigate menus. Picthing shifting is very useful when using ipod during exercise but it's hard to navigate menu when running fast!!
12:45:52	amiconn	The iriver bootloaders aren't provided from automatic builds for a reason
12:46:16	Carstor_	amiconn: and that reason is?
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12:47:22	amiconn	A non-working bootloader might brick the iriver. In order to revive such an iriver, special hardware and experience in smd soldering are necessary
12:47:59	Carstor_	ah, ok ... and as the nightly builds might be unstable ... i see
12:48:54	amiconn	For ipod this is different. Since patching the ipod doesn't touch the flash rom, it's always possible to restore an ipod to a working condition
12:49:19	disciple	PaulJam, as an alternative is it possible to change the order of menu items, so maybe I could push pitch shifting up to the top?
12:50:05	PaulJam	disciple: sorry, i can't help you there. I'm not a Programmer. But i'm sure it is possible to change the order of the menu entrys.
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12:50:45	disciple	PaulJam, you're saying I can only change menu order through al altering sourcecode? there is not a .cfg file to do it?
12:51:01	petur	Carstor_: petur/bl_h300.zip">http://users.telenet.be/petur/bl_h300.zip contains fwpatcher and a bootloader.bin It's the newest I've found so it should be v5
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12:53:59	amiconn	petur: Afaik, fwpatcher.exe already contains the bootloaders
12:54:11	petur	duh...
12:54:20	Carstor_	petur: thanks. I'll try to grab the md5-sum out of the google-cache somewhere
12:54:37	petur	fwpatcher already checks that for you
12:55:30	petur	amiconn: indeed :)
12:55:56	petur	Last time I flashed my h340 was in januari
12:56:05	Carstor_	um, well, let me feel secure. ;)
12:56:08	petur	I only remember things for a few days
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13:04:20	amiconn	petur: Your fwpatcher.exe is the latest, containing the h1x0 bootloader v6 and h300 bootloader v5
13:04:46	petur	thanks for checking
13:04:50	*	amiconn test-patched 2 firmwares and compared md5sums with the .h files
13:06:25	Carstor_	i just patched the 1.30EU firmware and compared md5 sum as well ... looks good.
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13:08:19	petur	Carstor_: if you want video playback in iriver fw, use 1.29EU
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13:08:41	Carstor_	hmm, i don't need that.
13:08:42	petur	but not the one they offer you as that's 1.30 as well
13:10:42	Carstor_	so just to be sure: i need the patched h300.hex file, the .rockbox directory and the rockbox.iriver file in the root directory of my h340, now I've to flash the firmware on the device?
13:11:35	petur	yes
13:12:08	petur	and a charged battery :)
13:12:09	Carstor_	wish me luck :)
13:12:28	Carstor_	uhm, it's at 3/4 :)
13:12:38	petur	should do it ;)
13:13:07	petur	quoting monty python: get on with it
13:13:14	Carstor_	:)
13:14:58	Carstor_	uhm. it's dark.
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13:15:11	Carstor_	ah, booting.
13:15:43	Carstor_	nice :)
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13:48:17	Genre9mp3	webguest59: which target?
13:48:57	Genre9mp3	webguest59: Also, did you searched in the forums?
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15:04:38	HaS_LiM	hi
15:05:41	leftright	ho
15:07:09	HaS_LiM	someone have
15:07:15	HaS_LiM	an iaudio A2?
15:07:32	RedBreva	Any devs with 5 mins to spare... Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5430 (minesweeper3.patch) any reason for not commiting this??
15:07:57	leftright	HaS_LiM: I dont think any developer has one of those
15:08:17	HaS_LiM	oh oki
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15:08:45	dionoea	RedBreva: maybe because of the feature freeze before 3.0
15:09:05	dionoea	although i doubt it
15:10:05	RedBreva	exactly, it's simple improving the platform specific start instructions for an existing plugin :-(
15:10:19	RedBreva	BTW, have added a load of new 220x176x16 themes to www.rockbox-themes.org if anyone is interested
15:10:36	leftright	fir pods or all targets
15:11:38	RedBreva	They were taken from Mistic River forums, so would have been written for H3xx, but most should be OK with iPod...
15:12:01	leftright	nice job there
15:12:09	RedBreva	Thanks ;-)
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16:43:26	]RowaN[	just borrowed my friend's 2gb ipodnano.. was the install/bootloader guide in the twiki or can i find it elsewhere?
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16:46:12	Ribs	]RowaN[: I believe it was only in the twiki
16:46:20	Ribs	]RowaN[: Google cache may have a copy of it...
16:46:25	]RowaN[	yes doing that now thanks =]
16:48:05	]RowaN[	im not being funny but how do you control an ipod nano? theres a menu on the screen but nothing i touch seems to move the menu bar
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16:48:15	]RowaN[	ah hold switch =]
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16:50:47	]RowaN[	next question.. how do i turn it off heh
16:51:06	S0ap	just like normal, press and hold play.
16:51:13	S0ap	There is a manual avaliable...
16:51:38	S0ap	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060708.pdf
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16:53:42	DeathWolf	hum, anyone that uses an external usb charger with their ipod/pda/player?:)
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17:16:11	]RowaN[	hmm installed rockbox fine but now ipod had just gone dead.. battery was ok.. is there some way to force it to reboot or something?
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17:19:39	\|apo\|	]RowaN[: Menu + Select for 5 seconds
17:21:36	]RowaN[	phew, cool
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17:23:01	]RowaN[	do i have to do this "safely remove hardware" crap every time i unplug it?
17:23:42	]RowaN[	does it usbcharge via rockbox or do i need to boot into original firmware?
17:23:53	]RowaN[	just told me battery low (i think) when i unplugged it
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17:33:44	\|apo\|	[17:23:01] <]RowaN[> do i have to do this "safely remove hardware" crap every time i unplug it? < Not in XP
17:33:52	\|apo\|	Not sure about other Windowses
17:34:00	\|apo\|	[17:23:42] <]RowaN[> does it usbcharge via rockbox or do i need to boot into original firmware? < Yup
17:34:10	\|apo\|	(It does charge)
17:34:18	sheppard	haha
17:34:32	\|apo\|	To stay in rockbox while plugging it into USB, you have to hold menu.
17:34:54	sheppard	what if its already plugged in
17:35:05	\|apo\|	Uh
17:35:11	\|apo\|	Unplug it?
17:35:13	\|apo\|	^^;
17:35:23	sheppard	hehe
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17:36:24	\|apo\|	< Reading BOFH
17:36:25	\|apo\|	:)
17:37:43	sheppard	hah
17:37:56	sheppard	which button saves my settings?
17:38:04	sheppard	like, in the save settings dialog
17:38:13	\|apo\|	>_>
17:38:16	\|apo\|	Prolyl select?
17:38:18	sheppard	or does it save it silently
17:38:18	\|apo\|	prolly*
17:38:31	\|apo\|	I'm not sure which dialog you're talking about
17:38:57	sheppard	you have a ipod video?
17:39:40	sheppard	like in the 'write cfg file' option
17:40:08	sheppard	ah
17:40:13	sheppard	gotta HOLD select
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17:49:06	\|apo\|	[17:38:57] <sheppard> you have a ipod video? < Nah :/
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17:49:23	\|apo\|	I'm thinking about buying one, 20gb aren't enough for me at all :P
17:50:22	sheppard	i upgraded from my 20gb 4g to this 30gb video
17:50:26	sheppard	its pretty slick
17:50:41	sheppard	cept i rarely if ever use the video feature
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17:52:46	theprodukkt	hi
17:53:06	theprodukkt	i read its important to do a full charge on a new h3x0 before using it for the first time
17:53:12	theprodukkt	how long will this take?
17:53:28	chendo	full charge and discharge x 3
17:54:35	theprodukkt	discharge?
17:54:38	theprodukkt	why discharge?
17:57:00	theprodukkt	do i have to discharge it?
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18:01:54	\|apo\|	sheppard: I wouldn't use the video feature either :P
18:01:57	\|apo\|	And I'd get a 60gb
18:02:01	midkay	i doubt he'd have said "discharge" along with "charge" if he meant "do NOT do this", so yeah, probably you should discharge it.. but why not just follow the manual?
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18:02:22	midkay	if it says charge, do it, if it says charge and discharge x3, do it..
18:02:24	\|apo\|	ady on the net!"
18:02:28	\|apo\|	Hehe ^^
18:05:00	sheppard	sigh, why is my ipod so much louder than my laptop
18:05:16	dionoea	try turning the volume down
18:05:17	sheppard	thats just not right
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18:05:59	sheppard	i supposed its a safety feature so i dont make my ears bleed
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18:11:58	chendo	caliberation
18:12:01	chendo	or something
18:12:03	chendo	do a full discharge every month as well
18:12:05	chendo	otherwise top the charge up
18:12:09	chendo	since li-ions don't suffer from memory
18:12:11	chendo	and they benefit from the constant top-ups anyway
18:12:43	chendo	every month and the first 3 full charge and discharge
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18:21:08	nudelyn	To attract current iPod users Microsoft is going to let you download for free any songs you've already bought from the iTunes Music Store. They'll actually scan iTunes for purchased tracks and then automatically add those to your account. Microsoft will still have to pay the rights-holders for the songs, but they believe it'll be worth it to acquire converts to their new player.
18:22:19	\|apo\|	haha.
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18:35:09	leftright	Hi hardeep, that method of saving a playlist within playlists gives an error, "error accessing playlist file"
18:36:10	hardeep	leftright: from the playlist viewer you mean?
18:36:50	leftright	view> edit, ie remove files>Save Current Playlist>error message
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18:37:24	hardeep	hmmm, are you trying to overwrite the existing playlist ?
18:37:31	leftright	yes
18:37:42	hardeep	yeah, i see the problem... something i'll need to fix
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18:38:55	leftright	also, if there is only one song remaining in the playlist, if its removed then i'm unable to save it, it returns to directory
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18:49:00	hardeep	leftright: i probably check the playlist size, i guess i can remove that too
18:50:20	leftright	you're da boss :)
18:52:39	leftright	yep, if i remove all the songs from a playlist it returns to its root
18:52:53	leftright	unable to save it empty
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19:13:29	theprodukkt	hey
19:13:49	theprodukkt	are the daily builds stable?
19:15:53	theprodukkt	where can i get the last stable version for the h320?
19:17:07	S0ap	how do you define stable?
19:17:18	theprodukkt	most bugless
19:17:28	S0ap	I run a daily.
19:17:52	S0ap	the dailys are just that - an autobuild of all tweaks in the last 24 hours.
19:18:11	theprodukkt	man not there also be bugs
19:18:15	theprodukkt	in a recent change
19:18:56	S0ap	If you are scared by that, I'd read the last weeks worth of changelogs, and assuming there was no critical bug patched in the past week, install a week-old daily so you can rest (relatively) assured you aren't going to get the bleeding edge bug.
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19:19:51	theprodukkt	just in case:
19:20:14	theprodukkt	to start the orginal firmware is always possible, isnt it?
19:20:35	theprodukkt	(it does not depend on the rockbox source, but on the bootloader, doesnt it?
19:20:40	S0ap	on ipod, yes.
19:20:49	S0ap	on iriver, I'm not so sure.
19:21:14	theprodukkt	i think those things are the same -.-
19:21:44	S0ap	the difference is that the apple firmware resides in flash, so rockbox doesn't touch it...
19:24:27	theprodukkt	ouch
19:24:31	theprodukkt	cannot load the bootloader
19:24:55	theprodukkt	in the manual is just the adress to the wiki
19:24:59	theprodukkt	which is currently down
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19:28:58	S0ap	look in the forums yet for a link to the bootloader?
19:34:02	theprodukkt	the 1.29eu doesnt support video?!
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19:35:54	PaulJam	the 1.30eu is the one, that doesn't support video, but the 1.29eu is not officially available from iriver anymore, the downloadlink points to the 1.30eu
19:36:25	PaulJam	most people (including me) use the 1.29kr version.
19:36:34	theprodukkt	in which language?
19:37:11	PaulJam	korean i think, but you can change the language
19:37:21	theprodukkt	to german?
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19:38:04	PaulJam	if you set it to german, the menus etc. are in english (like in the eu version)
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19:39:55	Hansmaulwurf	the "german" in irivier fw means only that the special german signs like ae or oe are displayd correctly
19:40:02	Hansmaulwurf	if i remember right
19:40:25	theprodukkt	good 2 know!
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19:40:35	midkay	theprodukkt, dailies are the only way to even run Rockbox on an iriver apart from the CVS builds..
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19:41:06	theprodukkt	midkay: thx
19:41:24	theprodukkt	so the korean version has no disadvantages?
19:41:35	Hansmaulwurf	no
19:41:52	Hansmaulwurf	maybe the radio?
19:42:13	Hansmaulwurf	korea has another frequenzies for radio
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19:43:00	PaulJam	with the korean firmware you need to change the radio range seperately
19:44:09	PaulJam	the korean firmware has no volume cap (if you see that as disadvantage)
19:44:57	theprodukkt	do someone know why iRiver deleted the video function?
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19:47:03	theprodukkt	where can i download the 1.29k?
19:47:50	theprodukkt	im missing the wiki :/
19:48:26	x1jmp	there's linewrap code in splash.c but the splash function in plugins doesn't wrap the lines
19:48:27	PaulJam	you can download it at the iriver website or here: http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=148
19:49:18	PaulJam	there you also find a patched version with the v5 bootloader.
19:49:48	x1jmp	did I misunderstand something with that function...?
19:49:55	theprodukkt	but i also can patch it on my own, or do i have to expect any problems
19:51:04	PaulJam	sure, you can also patch yourself
19:53:14	theprodukkt	http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=148 <- there i see a eu version of the 1.29
19:54:01	theprodukkt	is this the 1.30 or the 1.29?
19:54:17	theprodukkt	in case its the 1.29 i could also take the eu version?
19:55:30	theprodukkt	what does v5 mean?
19:55:53	theprodukkt	do i need the Bootloader - Patchfile V5 H320/340
19:55:53	theprodukkt	?
19:56:53	theprodukkt	please anser me :)
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19:58:44	leftright	v5 means that it is version 5 of the bootloader, the higher the number the more recent it is
19:59:25	theprodukkt	so i need 3 files, iriver firmware, fwpatcher and the bootloader bin?
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20:00:13	PaulJam	if you want to patch it yourself, you need the fwpatcher.exe and the firmware 1.29eu or 1.29kr
20:01:06	PaulJam	the bootloader.bin is only needed if you want to patch on linux or on a mac
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20:16:22	thprdkkt	http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/viewtopic.php?t=148 theres a Bootloader - Patchfile V5 H320/340 file, called bootloader-h300.bin (51kb)
20:16:25	thprdkkt	how do i use it?
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20:17:51	PaulJam	you don't need the .bin file
20:18:24	thprdkkt	what is it for then?
20:18:35	PaulJam	just run the fwpatcher.exe and then select the h300.hex
20:18:59	thprdkkt	and whats about the bootloader patchfile?
20:19:26	PaulJam	like i wrote earlier: the bun file is for patching on operating systems that dont support windows executables
20:19:52	PaulJam	bin, not bun.
20:21:13	*	thprdkkt doesnt understand, but has windows :) and will follow pauljams advice: PaulJam: just run the fwpatcher.exe and then select the h300.hex
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20:33:02	theprodukkt	on the page posted above there is a 1.29eu version of the iriver firmware (orginal)
20:33:07	theprodukkt	this isnt the 1.30 is it?
20:33:17	theprodukkt	because size and md5 sum differs
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20:34:04	PaulJam	i don't know
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20:34:55	theprodukkt	but the file mustn be called h300.hex
20:35:02	theprodukkt	?
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20:35:13	theprodukkt	i mean
20:35:20	theprodukkt	can i rename it?
20:35:31	leftright	no dont rename it
20:35:38	theprodukkt	will flashing on the iriver work with a renamed file?
20:35:47	PaulJam	in order to flash it, it has to be named H300.hex
20:35:53	theprodukkt	:(
20:36:14	theprodukkt	ill try my own patched 1.29 (from the 1.29 from the webpage)
20:36:15	leftright	just follow the guide, dont try to reinvent the wheel
20:36:40	theprodukkt	does filetransfer work with rockbox?
20:36:46	leftright	yes
20:36:57	theprodukkt	how can i change back to the orginal iriver firmware?
20:37:10	theprodukkt	is there a possibilitie to switch between the 2 systems?
20:37:18	leftright	there is a specific key sequence
20:37:24	theprodukkt	where can i find it?
20:37:27	leftright	check the manual
20:37:35	PaulJam	hold record and play tole starting
20:37:44	theprodukkt	thx
20:37:51	theprodukkt	(didnt find it in the manual)
20:37:52	PaulJam	tole => while
20:38:56	theprodukkt	is tole english?
20:39:04	leftright	no, gibberish
20:39:10	theprodukkt	gibbe.. what?
20:39:14	theprodukkt	whats that?
20:39:19	PaulJam	no, but i can't type
20:39:26	leftright	rubbish :)
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20:57:29	jon_	hey
20:57:49	jon_	i'm having trouble patching scrolling margins on the latest CVS
20:57:54	jon_	I've found the problem...
20:57:57	]RowaN[	assuming twiki still down, whats the best way to update tagcache?
20:58:21	]RowaN[	assuming tagcache is the thing u need to update so that ipod original firmware can see the music files u have dragged over
20:58:48	]RowaN[	ah google cache =]
20:58:50	PaulJam	tagcache is only used by rockbox
20:58:57	theprodukkt	^^
20:59:03	Bagder	]RowaN[: the original can't find music you drag over (on ipod)
20:59:03	jon_	revision 1.158 of screens.c gets rid of the whole chunk of code that the patch refers to
20:59:05	*	theprodukkt doesnt understand the question too ...
20:59:17	sheppard	i just moved my ipod_control/Music directory to /Music
20:59:18	jon_	and I guess that the new stuff in list.c is to do with it
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20:59:24	]RowaN[	whats it called, not tag cache
20:59:27	sheppard	weee.
20:59:28	jon_	anyone want to?
20:59:39	jon_	*anyone want to help?
20:59:52	]RowaN[	i thought there was something u can run that collects all your musicfiles into ipod database format
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21:00:09	Bagder	]RowaN[: I believe there is, but not provided by Rockbox
21:00:15	theprodukkt	ive another question according tagcache: how do i know that the acutalisation of tagcache is finished?
21:00:18	]RowaN[	something in foobar
21:00:30	theprodukkt	], maybe a plugin
21:00:39	theprodukkt	?
21:00:55	PaulJam	]RowaN[: i think there are third party programms to create the itunes db for files that were transferred via drag and drop
21:01:00	midkay	theprodukkt, when the disk is done spinning.
21:01:47	theprodukkt	when i shutdown rockbox and restart it
21:01:48		Quit jon_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
21:01:50	theprodukkt	will it continue?
21:02:14	PaulJam	i think it will
21:02:33	]RowaN[	ah foo_pod
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21:03:52	jon__	stupid web IRC client is screweing up
21:04:24	Bagder	then use a real client
21:04:38	jon__	at work
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21:04:54	theprodukkt	irc @ work xD
21:05:03	jon__	lol
21:05:04	Bagder	I've IRCed at work for years
21:06:07	theprodukkt	whats the using of the � key at the iriver?
21:07:55	PaulJam	it has no function (except in the record screen and in some plugins)
21:08:23	idnar	heh
21:08:28	theprodukkt	how can i switch between the filetree and the tagcache tree?
21:08:34	idnar	I regularly converse with coworkers over IRC
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21:08:57	PaulJam	long press on a-b and then pres the down button
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21:13:44	theprodukkt	ITS SO FUCKIN (SRY) COOL
21:13:50	theprodukkt	OMG
21:13:53	*	theprodukkt loves u all
21:14:00	theprodukkt	THX 4 ROCKBOX
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21:15:20	]RowaN[	argh foo_pod crashes
21:16:18	theprodukkt	whats the difference beetween rwps and wps
21:17:27	Bagder	rwps is for the remote
21:17:47	theprodukkt	in my package wasnt a remote!
21:18:20	Bagder	too bad for you
21:18:29	theprodukkt	should there be one?
21:18:38	Bagder	don't ask me
21:18:39	]RowaN[	how do i get from apple firmware to rockbox? doesnts seem to say how in the manual
21:18:54	PaulJam	did you buy a SE version?
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21:19:28	PaulJam	(the SE version comes without the remote and the batterypack)
21:19:58	theprodukkt	looks like ive bought the SE :'(
21:20:02	*	theprodukkt cries
21:20:05	theprodukkt	how much is the remote�
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21:20:07	theprodukkt	?
21:20:53	Stephen	got a question, i used to have a link to a site that had a page about the charging/power circuit for the archos jukebox, anyone know what im talking about?
21:21:01	PaulJam	the one without display ~25€ (standard) and the one with display ~50€
21:21:38	Stephen	i took apart my jukebox, now the battery is dead, anyone have this happen before?
21:21:46	Stephen	battery wont charge
21:22:07	Bagder	Stephen: with an external charger or with the archos itself?
21:22:41	Stephen	ok a little history first, i took it apart, and put it back together one day
21:22:48	Stephen	it turned on
21:22:57	Stephen	and i plugged it into the usb port to let it charge
21:23:07	Stephen	came back later, and it was dead
21:23:27	Stephen	im hoping i can fix it somehow
21:23:33	theprodukkt	have a problem with my
21:23:37	Bagder	yes, so hence my question
21:23:38	theprodukkt	unicatcher theme
21:23:53	Stephen	im not sure where my external charger is...
21:24:03	Stephen	but shouldnt it charge via usb too?
21:24:07	Bagder	oh
21:24:16	Bagder	this is an FM/V2 then I take it?
21:24:20	Stephen	yes, sorry
21:24:22	Stephen	shouldve specified
21:24:28	Bagder	ok, then my remark is moot
21:24:30	Stephen	archos jukebox fm recorder v2
21:24:38	Stephen	sorry bout that, lol
21:25:09	Bagder	usually when things like this happens its due to bad battery connectors or similar
21:25:09	theprodukkt	the upper text (loudness) is not completely visible and in the lower right corner thers a pink rectangle :( (unicatcher and iCatcher look the same! :(
21:25:21	Stephen	hmm
21:25:47	Stephen	i was looking at a site (cant remember it now) a few minutes ago, where the guy disassembled an archos similar to mine, so i had really good pics
21:26:09	Stephen	im pretty sure the battery connectors are in place correctly, ill double check it, any more suggestions?
21:26:24	]RowaN[	guys how do i turn the ipodnano OFF.. when i hold play it just sleeps, then wakes up back to original apple firmware instead of rockbox
21:27:09	obo	]RowaN[: you need to reset it, hold select + menu
21:27:29	theprodukkt	theres a possibility to turn the ipod off?
21:27:46	Bagder	Stephen: not really, but I'm not the most hw-skilled person around
21:28:10	Stephen	ok, well thanks for the help so far :)
21:28:30	obo	the apple firmware doesn't do a real power-off until 24+ hours have passed - it just hibernates
21:28:33	]RowaN[	tnx obo
21:28:43	theprodukkt	thought so too ..
21:29:38	]RowaN[	does rockbox support any sd card based player?
21:29:56	Bagder	the ondio takes mmc cards
21:30:03	Bagder	which is almost sd ;-)
21:30:26	Bagder	but other than that, no
21:33:16	]RowaN[	bugger
21:33:45	]RowaN[	the 2gb sd card i use in my nintendo ds.. i want to get a nice slim player i can use with it to, for my commute.. my ihp-120 is too bricklike
21:33:59	]RowaN[	grrr how do i get from WPS to filetree? no stop button on stupid ipods
21:34:20	obo	press select
21:34:28	]RowaN[	ah yes
21:34:30	obo	play will take you back to the wps
21:34:34	]RowaN[	i cant get doom working in this ipodnano
21:34:40	]RowaN[	i click the wad and nothing happens
21:34:52	obo	you have to launch it as a plugin, via the menu
21:35:02	]RowaN[	ah
21:35:29	]RowaN[	any recommendations for wps on ipodnano?
21:35:32	]RowaN[	whats a theme?
21:35:48	obo	theme = wps + font settings + background
21:35:59	obo	+ colours
21:36:00	Stephen	Bagder, do you know the specs for the wall charger for the archos?
21:36:03	]RowaN[	ah
21:36:10	Stephen	voltage and amps?
21:37:02	Bagder	6V 700mA center +
21:37:14	]RowaN[	lol cant seem to exit from doom now
21:37:31	obo	hold on and off again to bring up the menu
21:37:52	Bagder	Stephen: that's for the v2 and FM models
21:38:06	Stephen	Bagder, perfect, thanks :D
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21:44:52	micmac	Hi all
21:45:14	theprodukkt	hi
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22:09:23	axxu	hello
22:11:12	axxu	im getting my ipod nano 4gb next monday, looking forward to put rockbox in it
22:12:49	_apo_	TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR ^^
22:16:21	micmac	:)
22:17:02	micmac	TOOOOR
22:17:06	micmac	;)
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22:21:33	_apo_	Haha
22:21:35	_apo_	Fools ^^
22:21:35	thprdkkt	welcome back to me :
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22:22:32	thprdkkt	is there already a menu documentation out yet which shows simply all (sub)menus with a short description in form of a tree?
22:23:10	midkay	maybe in the manual..
22:23:43	thprdkkt	dont see it
22:23:50	S0ap	if not it would be a great addition.
22:23:55	*	thprdkkt things about doing one :)
22:24:11	micmac	Is there a trick to charge the battery of an ipod color with rockbox on it? I have problems with an USB power adapter. rockbox keeps restarting forever. And when I plug it in while rockbox is running (I keep pressing the menu button while I plug the cable into the ipod) it seems the battery doesn't get charged at all.
22:24:40	*	thprdkkt has actually some problems in remembering/finding all those beatifull options :/
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22:25:13	thprdkkt	is it hard to change the battery of the h3x0? it has only 1200mAH!!! my AA batteries have 2600-.-
22:25:17	midkay	thprdkkt, well, there's a structure (the TOC) which has the menus and submenus but not each option available in them..
22:25:30	thprdkkt	where can i find it?
22:25:37	midkay	at the top?
22:25:55	midkay	that's where tables of contents can be found in most books, by the way. :)
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22:26:28	midkay	any settings that are particularly hard to understand without the manual?
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22:27:29	*	thprdkkt thinks there were some
22:27:34	thprdkkt	but cannot remember :/
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22:27:56	micmac	midkay, I was wondering if the disk buffer has anything to do with how long the battery lasts... Default is 5s, goes up to 10m. Any suggestion on that?
22:28:39	micmac	I mean, with a larger disk buffer, will the harddisk suspend longer, thus saving power?
22:29:08	midkay	micmac, how long before you're literally out of buffer before the disk spins up to refill it.. so higher values will decrease battery life for more spinup.. but it's not exactly correctly working yet i think, it will spin up earlier with a higher setting but maybe not very accurate (10m might really be 1 or 2m for a FLAC file or so).
22:29:17	theprodukkt	^^ sounds logic
22:29:26	midkay	no, that's not disk buffer, that's anti-skip buffer.
22:30:07	midkay	audio buffer is around as large as it can be by default, it can be increased slightly by reducing max files in dir/max playlist entries, but that's about it.
22:30:07	micmac	anti-skip buffer is what I meant, sorry.
22:31:15	S0ap	not to interject, but you can't reasonably lower the "max files" setting lower than the number of files/directories you have, can you?
22:32:04	midkay	not any lower than the ones you have or you won't be able to see them all.
22:32:22	midkay	some people organize like genre -> artist -> album -> songs so maybe in that case around even 100 is fine versus the 400 default..
22:32:41	midkay	and if you only have a thousand songs, you can safely reduce playlist entries to 1000 vs the default 10,000.
22:33:07	midkay	it just depends on what you have.. the setting should be only slightly higher than you need, if at all.
22:34:59	theprodukkt	maybe there should be a buffer guide
22:35:01	theprodukkt	^^
22:35:15	midkay	guide?
22:35:16	theprodukkt	at least it helps to save battery lifetime
22:35:50	theprodukkt	yes, a short information about all the buffer options and how to use them, recommended values ...
22:36:06	midkay	there aren't recommended values. you just set it up so it works for you.
22:36:20	midkay	if you feel like setting up max entries/dirs/files to suit your needs for the tiny bit of extra buffer (or less), feel free.
22:36:27	theprodukkt	but a noob dont know whats working for him
22:36:34	midkay	so then just don't touch it.
22:36:52	midkay	there is information in the manual, anyways, if you cared to read it.
22:36:59	theprodukkt	just read it
22:37:02	theprodukkt	most of it
22:37:13	midkay	so does it not make sense?
22:37:13	theprodukkt	but they're spread around ...
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22:37:29	theprodukkt	had to use the search function on buffer :)
22:37:58	midkay	the "limits" options and the anti-skip buffer are the only settings that should affect this that i can remember.
22:38:13	theprodukkt	dir cache?
22:38:24	theprodukkt	maybe a guide for saving power -.-
22:38:50	theprodukkt	do u use diskpoweroff?
22:38:51	midkay	dircache if you use it, right.. and tagcache to RAM.
22:38:57	midkay	no.
22:39:08	theprodukkt	do u use dir cache?
22:39:23	midkay	and a guide is pretty useless, really.. it's the standard old "don't use the backlight if you don't need it, don't cache your dirs if you don't need it, don't increase limits if you don't need to"..
22:39:24	midkay	yes.
22:39:57	theprodukkt	tagcache to ram?
22:40:03	theprodukkt	do u use the tagcahce?
22:40:10	midkay	yes, yes... why?
22:40:25	theprodukkt	i think uve more experience, so ill steal your config ;)
22:41:10	midkay	it's certainly not the most battery-efficient.. in fact it's about the least unless you do a lot of browsing.
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22:45:28	theprodukkt	how does the shuffle work
22:45:38	theprodukkt	(i read the manual but still didnt understand)
22:45:41	micmac	random
22:45:50	theprodukkt	how can i enable it?
22:46:05	micmac	Playback setting
22:46:07	micmac	s
22:46:27	micmac	On Ipod you can hold menu down for faster access.
22:46:29	theprodukkt	i turned it on
22:46:41	theprodukkt	(on iriver its the a-b key)
22:47:47	theprodukkt	oh it works all the time
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22:47:58	theprodukkt	-.-
22:48:02	theprodukkt	didnt realize sry xD
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22:51:05	djedje	hi all
22:51:43	djedje	i have a little question ? why the twiki parts are off ?
22:51:50	sheppard	djedje: website got hacked
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22:52:29	amiconn	oops
22:52:42	theprodukkt	does someone how far the admin is in fixing the exploits?
22:53:32	Bagder	not very
22:53:41	Bagder	we're all on vacation of various degrees
22:54:48	djedje	thanks... i'm patient. good work for this project ! congratulations guys !
22:55:28	djedje	Does anyone has the bootloader for iAudio X5 ?
22:55:37	*	amiconn thinks vacation is the best time for rockbox coding
22:56:39	theprodukkt	in my tagcache menu
22:56:42	djedje	how to checkout from the cvs ? anonymous access ? url ? any information ?
22:56:48	theprodukkt	there are 2 menus called example 1 and 2
22:56:50	theprodukkt	whats that?
22:57:18	obo	djedje: info is on the wiki - google cache should have it
22:57:27	midkay	two examples of tagcache configuration possibilities..
22:57:47	theprodukkt	ill look on google, and continue asking: how can i do those configs?
22:57:47	floody	cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox
22:59:12	djedje	ok for the cache info in google, i tried this solution but the x5_fw.bin file is not available
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23:00:08	Bagder	ok, hold on
23:01:11	theprodukkt	what are the limitations for the videos for irivers h300?
23:01:28	Bagder	theprodukkt: rockbox plays no videos at all on the h300
23:01:45	theprodukkt	but the orginal firmware
23:02:02	Bagder	I'd suggest you read the manual
23:02:38	theprodukkt	the orginal iriver man?
23:02:45	petur	yes
23:02:48	Bagder	since that's what you ask about, yes
23:03:36	theprodukkt	cant find it
23:03:45	Bagder	djedje: http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/IaudioBoot/x5_fw.bin
23:03:46	theprodukkt	here doesnt stand anything 'bout vid
23:04:24	theprodukkt	wasnt the vid function a firmware patch?
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23:04:47	theprodukkt	but google might be a good idea
23:04:50	midkay	yes, so you should check the update's release notes..
23:04:55	theprodukkt	(its that eady 2 ask here, sry ;))
23:05:00	S0ap	a iriver enthusiast site might be a better place to talk about iriver original firmware than #rockbox
23:05:07	S0ap	*ask
23:05:21	Bagder	... like misticriver.net or similar
23:05:36	djedje	badger: thank a lot !! ok it's downloaded
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23:07:11	theprodukkt	a forum has a long "lag", thats why i like irc (since i know this chan xD)
23:07:27	midkay	Bagder, cool that you have the twiki files on your site at least - maybe that should be put in the topic for people looking for files, i've seen plenty of "where can i get this bootloader", etc.
23:07:55	*	theprodukkt is one of them :/
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23:09:26	obo	the files are also in CVS?
23:10:00	midkay	i believe not, could be wrong..
23:10:11	Panda-	I have .rockbox and rockbox.iriver on my H300. The original firmware is patched (1.29K). but when I turn on the unit it says that there's no .rockbox directory ... what's the problem?
23:10:57	obo	first time I looked I thought I saw .v extensions as well, but not now - I blame the beer :D
23:12:22	Bagder	hah
23:12:26	Bagder	I deleted the ,v ones
23:12:50	obo	spoilsport :p
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23:14:25	Bagder	anyway, those are all attachments from the wiki
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23:14:46	petur	bleh, my ISP's mailserver seems to have made it to a spamlist :/
23:14:52	theprodukkt	if i go tagcache->Artists->Untagged->All Tracks there are plenty of files, if i look at their id3 tags theyre empty
23:15:07	theprodukkt	but the same files on my pc have tags -.-
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23:19:13	theprodukkt	dont have an idea?
23:19:51	obo	What kind of tags? Rockbox doesn't (yet) support APE tags
23:20:31	*	ender` 's been using a patch that adds apev2 support for a long time now
23:21:24	theprodukkt	my iriver hang up :/
23:21:50	PaulJam	theprodukkt: btw. fir video support in the original firmware check iriverter.sourceforge.net . it's a nice tool to convert videos to the proper format.
23:22:14	theprodukkt	already checked but thx :)
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23:26:03	S0ap	theprodukkt - what mp3 player do you use on your computer?
23:26:34	theprodukkt	winamp
23:26:41	theprodukkt	the godfather shows tags too
23:26:44	theprodukkt	explorer too
23:27:20	S0ap	did you interupt tagcache before it scanned all your files?
23:27:58	theprodukkt	dont know
23:28:08	theprodukkt	is it possible 2 interupt it?
23:29:20	midkay	if you shut it down like you said you did and it wasn't finished..
23:30:15	theprodukkt	2.3.2. Using Tag Cache
23:30:22	theprodukkt	Before you use the Tag Cache for the first time, you need to tell Rockbox to create the
23:30:22	theprodukkt	database from your music files. This typically takes around 5 � 10 minutes and you
23:30:22	theprodukkt	can continue listening to music normally whilst this is happenning. You can even shut
23:30:25	theprodukkt	down your player and resume the database building process next time you turn it on.
23:30:26	theprodukkt	but yes, i did !
23:30:41	theprodukkt	when i force a refresh will he scan only new files or all?
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23:32:00	midkay	just delete the database files and start over, and don't interrupt it.
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23:34:00	*	theprodukkt will do
23:36:23	theprodukkt	ill post some feature requests
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23:37:06	Bagder	yeah, only 545 open ones as of now
23:37:10	Bagder	we need some more ;-)
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23:38:26	Topic	"Rockbox web site is back. No twiki yet. Previous wiki attachments hosted here => http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/" by Bagder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder)
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23:40:44	theprodukkt	mine are realy good ones;)
23:41:05	theprodukkt	"Example 2" genre ? genre ~ "metal" : artist ? year >= "2000" : album ? year >= "2000" : title <= who could explain that line?
23:41:25	*	petur wonders why the directory view of a webserver always assumes you can't see more than 40 chars wide
23:42:01	Bagder	there might exist some apache config to change that
23:42:08	S0ap	I have an 80 col. card in my apple IIe, I figured most of you did.
23:42:38	_apo_	Genre (contains metal)/Artist (with albums newer than 2000)/Albums newer than 2000/tracks
23:42:42	_apo_	@ theprodukkt
23:43:57	theprodukkt	understood: 1st part contains the tag to show, 2nd part the filter!
23:44:09	_apo_	part after the ?, yes
23:44:23	theprodukkt	^^
23:44:53	theprodukkt	is there a possibility to merge multiple filters (additive / substractive?)
23:44:55	_apo_	Tag to show ? tag ~/>/</>=/<=/= value : next tag...
23:45:00	_apo_	Dunno
23:45:15	theprodukkt	?
23:45:17	_apo_	Try & after a filter
23:45:22	_apo_	It's not documented yet
23:45:29	theprodukkt	but it works?
23:45:31	_apo_	Because it's pretty new and the standards aren't set
23:45:56	theprodukkt	does a ! exist too?
23:45:58	_apo_	Or perhaps && works
23:46:01	_apo_	Dunno
23:46:09	theprodukkt	\|\|
23:46:12	_apo_	As I said, it's not documented
23:46:13	theprodukkt	?
23:46:16	_apo_	As I said, it's not documented
23:46:17	_apo_	^^
23:46:24	theprodukkt	ok
23:46:27	theprodukkt	ok
23:46:36	Bagder	but the source is there to read!
23:46:45	_apo_	Yup
23:46:53	theprodukkt	^^ just wanted to ask
23:47:03	_apo_	But if you don't speak C++ or whatever it's written in you're outta like - like me :P
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23:47:07	_apo_	luck*
23:47:09	_apo_	~_~
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23:47:23	Bagder	it is mostly written in plain C
23:47:31	Bagder	with minor parts in asm
23:47:42	theprodukkt	in which file is the db creating engine / showing engine written?
23:47:43	apo`	I see
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23:49:23	djedje	i repeat my simple word for your work : great . i'm trying rockbox on an iaudio X5 and all this features in developpement stage ! wow !
23:49:59	Bagder	djedje: you may want to try the dual-boot bootloader
23:50:23	Bagder	that's only available as a patch so far for the X5
23:50:39	Bagder	but the guys on iaudiophile.net use to provide binaries of it
23:51:27		Quit Stephen ()
23:51:31	Bagder	but of course building your own is the Right Way (tm) :-)
23:52:58	djedje	ok i will try this dual-boot bootloader i have checkouted the project and i will try to compile.
23:53:37	Bagder	the lack of wiki makes it slightly harder to figure out things though ;-)
23:54:45	djedje	it's true, the wiki is down due to a hack ?
23:55:01	Bagder	yes, basically
23:55:51	djedje	wow
23:56:39	apo`	Not "wow". I'd rather say "Oh man, I hate people" :P
23:57:06	theprodukkt	may i restart now?
23:57:14	theprodukkt	because of my tagcache
23:57:33	PaulJam	if the hd stopped spinning, then yes
23:57:52	theprodukkt	how can i know
23:58:06	PaulJam	listen
23:58:09	apo`	Feel
23:58:18	dionoea	look at the small spining disk icon :)
23:58:34	apo`	dionoea: Bah, boring :P
23:58:49	dionoea	:)
23:58:51	theprodukkt	dionoea: that was an ideo for my feature request :)

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