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#rockbox log for 2006-07-09

00:00:06*dionoea remembers seeing an icon in the upper right corner on the status bar
00:00:21PaulJamtheprodukkt: the disk ico is in the upper righter
00:00:27dionoeaat least when it's doing tag cache stuff
00:00:47obosome (many?) custom themes don't include it
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00:03:04thprdkktdisc wasnt spinning anymore
00:03:08thprdkktbut still untagged
00:03:19thprdkkti think the problem is in id tag recognisation
00:03:41thprdkktbecause even there should be a problem with the db he should show me the tags in id tag info
00:03:44thprdkktbut he dont
00:03:45S0apyou search the forums yet for other complaints of such behavior?
00:04:33thprdkktfirst asked here
00:04:40 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:04:41thprdkktbecause of lower "ping" ;)
00:05:00S0apthere is a MASSIVE amount of info in the forums, and on the site in general.
00:05:23S0apdoing due diligence (SP!) is a common courtesey (SP!).
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00:06:18thprdkktsry, cannot understand ur last sentence, what does it mean?
00:07:01S0apit means it would be polite of you to do your part in researching the problem before asking questions.
00:07:24S0apGet familiar with the answers already written, the questions already answered, the problems already solved.
00:07:48thprdkktsounds good :/
00:07:51thprdkktand hard :(
00:08:40Bagder"Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. "
00:08:47S0apmaybe it is just me, and maybe I am wrong, but you come across as not having read much of the info on the website already, and that limits the willingness of people to answer every little question.
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00:18:59thprdkktdidnt find anything on the forums
00:19:07thprdkkt(didnt search a lot sry)
00:19:13thprdkktbut found out following:
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00:19:41thprdkktthe id3 tag header starts at different positions
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00:20:14thprdkkttested about 10 files which are recognized, their headers all start at positions != 266 bytes
00:21:02thprdkktthe tagheader of the unrecognized (untagged) files start at exactly 266bytes !
00:21:27thprdkkt!= means not
00:21:30Bagderwhen you play that file, does Rockbox show the id3 tags properly in the wps?
00:21:52thprdkkt^^ bug?
00:21:59Bagdernot likely
00:22:07Bagdermore likely a restriction you've faced
00:22:17S0apwe talking v1 or v2 tags?
00:22:23Bagderlike them containing a huge album art tag or similar
00:22:26thprdkktboth tags
00:22:34thprdkktthe files have both tags ste
00:22:44S0ap2.3 or 2.4?
00:23:12thprdkkthow can i test if 2.3 or 2.4
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00:23:58S0apI don't know how to test, you can check what you tagger is set up to do. I only ask because many taggers were/are flaky with their id3v2.4 implementation.
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00:25:05thprdkkti tagged all my files with The GodFather some hours ago
00:25:21thprdkkteach file with the same tagversion i think
00:25:39thprdkktso i dont think its the implementation
00:25:44thprdkktwinamp reads the tags
00:25:48thprdkktexplorer 2
00:26:02thprdkktonly thing i found out were the magical 266 bytes
00:26:07thprdkkthigher and lower works
00:26:23S0apdo you have album art tags as Bagder asked?
00:26:59thprdkktmost of my files have just interpret and artist
00:27:06thprdkktthose affected too
00:27:41Bagderthen I suggest you make one of the failing files available and file a bug report
00:27:42thprdkktah, maybe i found something...
00:28:30thprdkktdidnt find anything :(
00:28:48thprdkktwhere can i make it available?
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00:29:05thprdkkt(on the other hand i think its thegodfathers failure..)
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00:29:26thprdkkt(if u hear the first time of that bug.. and soooo many files are affected!)
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00:38:20scottderHey all...whats new in Rockbox-land?
00:38:50thprdkktfound a bug (or something like that)
00:38:55*thprdkkt is proud !
00:39:42Bagderproud is what you should be when you fix it
00:40:44thprdkktfinding is the first step ;)
00:41:03scottderAnd knowing is half the battle
00:41:14scottderphilosophy by GI Joes
00:42:20S0apthprdkkt - read your PM
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00:44:46scottderSo whats the bug?
00:45:25scottderor Undcoumented Feature :)
00:45:53thprdkkti think its my fault xD
00:46:07scottderahhh User Error...I know that one :)
00:46:08*thprdkkt is not exactly sure
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00:46:16thprdkktdont know how to fix
00:50:30thprdkkt^^ thats my problem
00:52:01Bagderthat 266 bytes index is probably just a coincidense
00:52:10 Quit ender` (" If you assign N persons to write a compiler you'll get a N-1 pass compiler.")
00:52:22thprdkktcoin what?
00:52:37Bagdera fluke
00:52:45Bagdera random thing
00:52:49S0apFWIW thprdkkt, there is no reason to believe your problem is iriver specific, and so that question should most likely be posted in rockbox general forum instead of the iriver forum.
00:52:50scottderanything else that makes those files similar
00:53:28Bagderthread moved
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00:53:41thprdkktok thx
00:53:47thprdkktwasnt sure
00:53:55S0apI wasn't trying to nitpick, buddy, just thought you would get more eyeballs.
00:54:24]RowaN[ahah.. i was wondering why only SOME of the songs i dragged onto this ipod would play (after rebuilding the database with foo_ipod) ... if filenames of songs are too long ipod firmware doesnt like it
00:54:27scottderand the word you were looking for is "recognition"
00:54:38Bagderjust noticed a great bugfix in mips-linux:
00:54:43Bagder- hpc3c0->rtcregs[RTC_YEAR] = BIN2BCD(tm.tm_sec);
00:54:43Bagder+ hpc3c0->rtcregs[RTC_YEAR] = BIN2BCD(tm.tm_year);
00:54:49]RowaN[thats something worth adding to the twiki page i think.. would have saved me 2 hours of guesswork anyway
00:55:00Bagderthat's a helluva typo
00:55:19]RowaN[when this ipodnano boots it says linux error: -1 ... should that mean anything to me darlings?
00:55:57obomeans don't hold down play if you don't have a linux.bin file
00:55:58PaulJam]RowaN[: propably rockbox.ipod not found
00:56:20]RowaN[it does find, coz it boots
00:56:29]RowaN[i put rockbox.ipod inside the .rockbox dir mind you
00:56:35PaulJamoh, sorry, didn't read the linux part
00:57:07S0ap]RowaN[ - it's a _path_ limit, not filename. So \music\rock\led Zeppelin\houses of the holy\1.mp3 won't work either.
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00:57:43]RowaN[hmm thats odd then some stuff i put on the root didnt work... do you know the exact path limit of characters?
00:57:52oboI thought it was path including the length of the filename??? 32 characters I think
00:57:54S0apshort. 27 characters?
00:58:07]RowaN[wow hehe
00:58:29]RowaN[even a mac can have 31 character filenames or something
00:58:43thprdkkthow many developers are working on rockbox?
00:58:48S0apobo - when I said "path" I ment full path including the filename and extension.
00:58:57]RowaN[next question.. how to batch rename a few hundred files to 27 char filenames
00:59:02S0apsorry I wasn't all that clear.
00:59:22S0ap]RowaN[ - yuck.
01:00:28]RowaN[blame apple not me
01:00:42S0apI think it would be easier to use your music w/both firmwares if you loaded all the songs with itunes/anapod/foopod (whatever) for the apple firmware, and then used tagcache in rockbox instead of file tree navigation.
01:01:12]RowaN[good idea
01:01:57thprdkktscottder: didnt i write "recognition", i thought i wrote it like that
01:05:34thprdkktdoes somebody has the uisimulator windows binary?
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01:07:13scottderSo, did anything tangible come out of the Sandisk thing and Rockbox?
01:08:34Bagdernope (not yet at least)
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01:08:43Bagderexcept for the fact that we broke the encryption
01:09:00Bagderso now we can decode mi4 files
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01:09:40scottderAhh....was just curious....
01:10:21Bagder for details on the latter
01:12:25scottderHuh...well first steps....
01:13:03Bagderyeah, and these are in fact also first steps that enable several other ports
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01:13:28scottderExcellent...the more options the better I say
01:20:40midkayBagder, you broke the encryption? how?
01:21:11Bagderwell, I personally didn't because I'm too lame
01:21:51midkay"you" as in "you guys working on it" :)
01:21:55Bagderbut 'MrH' who did the most work clearly is a clever fellow
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01:22:07midkayBagder isn't lame. *hugs*
01:22:35midkayhow'd he do it, do you know?
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01:23:16Bagderreverse engineering of the BL file and then I think he found some fixed values that turned out to be used for a specific crypto algo
01:23:36midkayinteresting, and very cool. :)
01:23:51Bagderoh yes
01:24:11Bagderwe still can encrypt our own files properly though
01:24:17Bagderso there's still work left to do on the file format
01:24:27midkaystill can't, you mean?
01:24:34Bagderoops, yes
01:24:40Bagderof the more complicated types
01:27:25thprdkktin the win32 uisim dir i find a makefile
01:27:32thprdkktisnt that for linux?
01:28:00Bagderyes and no
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01:31:48thprdkktin the manual at wps tags theres listet the tag %rr
01:32:15thprdkktSong rating (0-10). This tag can also be used in a conditional tag,
01:32:27thprdkktis there a possibility to rate songs?!
01:32:53Bagderit used to be
01:33:09thprdkkthow can i rate?
01:33:12Bagderbut the db is now modified and it is no longer possible until the feature is again introduced
01:33:26midkayit *USED* to be.. as in... no longer.
01:34:49thprdkktwas a nice feature!
01:35:16midkayyou never used it, how'd you know? time machine? telepathy?!
01:36:26thprdkkti imagined
01:36:27PaulJamhe could have used an old build.
01:36:35Genre9mp3midkay: well, he can imagine using it
01:38:01midkayGenre9mp3, what if you had to create 100 text files in random directories with the same rating in each in order to rate ONE SONG?!
01:38:09midkayhe'd consider that 'nice'?!
01:39:13thprdkktit wasnt realy that hard?!
01:39:46Genre9mp3midkay: never used ratings on my songs, but I didn't get what you are trying to say there
01:39:55midkayyou mean you think there's a possibility a rockbox feature in CVS was to create 100 text files in random dirs to rate songs?
01:40:11thprdkktin my imagination i held the navikey, selected rate and rated it from menu ...
01:40:22midkayGenre9mp3, i mean, imagining it could be anything, far off from how it really worked. i never used it before but i don't see the point of saying it was nice without trying it. it was a semi-joke.. :)
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01:41:11Genre9mp3midkay: OK, I see, but of course I suppose the rating would be stored in the file's tag
01:41:43midkayGenre9mp3, joke, what-if kind of joke.. that's it.. :)
01:41:52thprdkkti suppose it would be stored in an extra file, saved in the .rockbox dir
01:42:28midkaysee, conflicting ideas already, and you pseudo-liked it.
01:42:55thprdkktpseudo liking is the first step
01:42:58Genre9mp3midkay: hehe... imagine tagcache do that and create different text files for each file and each tag!
01:43:04quietDoes anybody know why I can't download the boatloader for the 5th gen ipod video? I seems like the server is down... are there any mirrors?
01:43:15*thprdkkt is doing first steps only.. mising the rest :/
01:43:18midkayGenre9mp3, exactly, which is why you can't say "i love tagchache" before you try it. :)
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01:43:58Genre9mp3BTW, I like how tagcache works
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01:45:39quietThanks but, I need to do the install from linux. I think the file should be ".bin"
01:46:41S0apyes, I was trying to send you the 5g windows files
01:47:05quietThanks anyway
01:47:27S0apthere is a wiki mirror up
01:47:45quietGot a link?
01:47:57S0aplet me get it out of my log
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01:48:49S0apdoh! It is in the topc.
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01:52:45thprdkktis there a possibility to reset the rockbox config while booting?
01:55:05PaulJamhold record
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02:53:38ricardo_dawkinsany solution for this:
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02:55:02qwmscorche: gg!
02:55:17qwmfu. :)
02:55:20scorchei win
02:55:25qwmi lose.
02:55:27midkayah, this loser.
02:55:40qwmso.. start mapping for a REAL game!
02:55:41qwmlike cs:s
02:57:28ricardo_dawkinsany solution ?
02:58:49qwmoh btw midkay, what's happened with rockbox the past few weeks?
02:59:05midkayhaha. funny that you ask in THIS CHANNEL!
02:59:19midkaynothing much anyways. waiting for a major fix or two before 3.0 is released.
02:59:20qwmyeah, isn't it? ;)
02:59:22ricardo_dawkinswhat are we talking about ?
02:59:41qwmwhat about may 15th? does that date ring any bells?
02:59:42ricardo_dawkinsWill ever RB include video playback ?
03:00:18qwmricardo_dawkins: video is sooo the the last millenium.
03:03:23ricardo_dawkinsand how I could play video again on my H320 since RB fubared the iriver firmware ?
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03:03:45ricardo_dawkinswill the developers ever try to place video playback on RB ?
03:06:42chendo_ricardo_dawkins, boot back into the iriver firmware?
03:06:49midkaynot in the near future, unlikely.
03:07:14ricardo_dawkinsiriver firmware freezes on the LOADING screen
03:07:26ricardo_dawkinssee my post on the forums
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03:09:08chendo_then i dunno
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03:18:15ricardo_dawkinswhere are the developers ?
03:18:27ricardo_dawkinsare they developing or lost in Mars ?
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03:24:58ricardo_dawkins...welll another day will pass without anyway to solve my problems
03:25:24BHSPitMonkeydeveloping on mars, I think
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05:47:03webguest53anybody there??
05:47:52webguest53need some help downloading the bootloader...
05:48:07webguest53not able to dwnload it
05:48:30S0apthe wiki is down
05:48:42S0apgo to the temp mirror as in the channel topic
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05:52:30webguest53what files do i need to download for the iPod-video??
05:53:39S0apread the wiki on installing.
05:55:06webguest53in there there is some file called "bootloader-video.bin"
05:55:37S0apfor linux installs
05:56:01webguest53no windows
05:56:22S0apread the install instructions. They are good, while I am drunk.
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06:30:18DrNois the portalplayer sdk available anywhere?
06:31:08DrNohard to believe that they can keep such control over it
06:31:31aegrayits their sdk. they want you to pay for it.
06:31:45S0aphow much?
06:31:57DrNothere has to be at least one supporter out there
06:31:59aegrayi'm sure it costs a pretty penny + an NDA
06:32:30S0apYea, the NDA would kind of stink.
06:32:44DrNoI don't think it's available to anyone but their partners
06:33:11S0apMy question was half tongue in cheek, but I was half serious if a price had been set.
06:33:14DrNoor chip purchasers
06:33:55aegrayor people they are sleeping with....
06:33:57DrNoif you buy chips I'm sure they supply it to you without cos
06:33:58*aegray gets ideas
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06:36:02DrNoI'd sleep with them for the sdk <grin>
06:36:24aegrayi was thinking about getting a sandwhich. thats gross.
06:37:50DrNoI'm gonna go check my fridge now that you mention it
06:37:57midkaymature, aegray, mature.
06:38:26aegrayyou dont have to be mature to love sandwhiches.
06:38:45midkayit's "sandwich" btw.
06:38:58aegraybhahahah i'm obviously tired
06:39:20webguest53nee help... the instructions in the manual is giving an error
06:39:22midkaynearing your bedtime?!?!?
06:39:31aegrayjust a bit
06:39:46midkaywebguest53, we can't help unless you tell us what error.
06:40:19webguest53kboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
06:40:48webguest53C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\rox-ipod>ipod_fw -g video -o roc
06:41:39webguest53when i execute that command i get an erroe the cannot find apple_os.bin
06:41:59midkaywell, is apple_os.bin there?
06:42:15midkaythen.. you.. skipped a step or did something wrong.
06:42:22webguest53not in that folder
06:42:29midkaythen.. you.. skipped a step or did something wrong.
06:42:47webguest53did follow the inst in the manual..
06:42:50midkaysigh, we'll see..
06:43:04aegrayi no longer feel dumb for my sandwhich.
06:43:13aegraywait. yes i do.
06:43:42webguest53but there is one inst that is repeated in the manual...
06:43:58midkayipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin
06:44:01midkaydid you do that?..
06:44:19midkayreplacing 'n' with your ipod's number, of course..
06:44:28webguest53did it...
06:44:30midkayno errors?
06:44:55midkaythat extracts the firmware, so quite simply, yes there was an error, you either typed it wrong or got something in return.
06:45:40webguest53i got a file by the name bootpartition.bin
06:45:49webguest53a 8o Mb file...
06:46:21midkayaha, maybe a manual mistake..
06:46:48webguest53but where do i get the apple _os.bin file
06:47:02midkayit should be extracted but it would seem that the manual has a mistake.
06:47:49webguest53anyidea abt the correct inst???
06:49:54midkaymaybe someone else knows, i can't recall it.
06:50:04S0apwebguest53 - what platform are you installing from?
06:50:24DrNoSo if I read the portalplayer site correctly the FDK is for software development on the player and the sdk if for apps on the pc. correct?
06:50:37midkayeither way, sorry about that, i can't believe that was overlooked.. we just get so many "i swear i did everything it said" people who minutes later see "ohhhhhhh oops i typed something wrong"..
06:51:02S0apand you've read the wiki instructions?
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06:53:08webguest36where do i find the wiki instructions???
06:53:19midkaycan't.. wiki's down.
06:54:23webguest36so what should i do now???
06:54:44webguest36any ideas
06:56:28midkayas on the forums perhaps
06:58:52DrNoGoodnight everyone!
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07:05:41S0apwiki is down but the mirror is up
07:05:49S0apsee the topic
07:07:30S0apoops, files only
07:07:38S0apsee google cache for instructions, my bad.
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07:45:58natemichey, anyone still awake?
07:47:27natemicdamn, can anyone give me some help
07:49:53scorcheask you question, and someone can get to it...saying something every 20 seconds doesnt do any good >_>
07:50:24natemicno, it doesnt
07:51:11natemici switch between the rockbox and apple interfaces often, but for some reason its now stuck in the apple one and even when i hard reset i cant get it to boot with the rockbox interface
07:51:34natemicis there any other way to access/reboot with the rockbox interface
07:51:58natemici dont care about my apple music, but the rockbox stuff is my only backup and all flac, so i dont want to lose any if possible
07:52:32scorchehave you done anything to illicit this behavior?
07:54:19natemicnah, i just hadnt switched back from the apple interface in a while and now it just wont let me
07:54:23natemicits as if its taken over
07:54:47natemicill do anything, including wipe my ipod, except i just dont want to lose that music, like i said
07:55:31scorchecan you still access the ipod from explorer? (assuming you are in windows)
07:56:54natemici just cant get it to start up with the rockbox splash screen
07:57:34scorcheso any time that you shut the ipod down, and turn it back on, it loads straight into the ipod firmware?
07:57:55natemicwhen i hard reset, i used to see that screen that said 'loading rockbox' or 'loading original firmware', etc. but now its just the apple then the normal apple interface
07:58:06natemicyes, straight to the apple interface
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07:58:34scorchedid you upgrade to the new apple firmware recently?
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07:59:17natemicwell, i did, but after the problem already occurred
07:59:43natemici had tried everything else and just did it becuase it was only booting in the apple interface anyway, so i figured it couldnt hurt
08:00:22natemicif i run the ipod updater and click 'restore to factory settings' will it delete everything or just the apple branded music... will i lose rockbox and my flac too?
08:00:55scorche(to the second question)
08:01:27natemicwould rolling back the ipod updater help?
08:02:12scorcheis the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file visible in explorer?
08:04:25scorchehrm...i am sorry, but i am not all that familiar with the ipods...if you wait, i am sure that someone else more knowledgeable about those units will come along and help you further
08:06:46natemicalright, thanks
08:07:03scorcheit sounds like something happened with the bootloader, however i am not sure...just for completeness's sake, have you dl-ed a new version of rockbox and overwrote the old one?
08:09:33midkaydid you try just reinstalling the bootloader?
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08:11:17natemicum, i downloaded the new rockbox files
08:11:25natemicand just replaced the old ones that are on the ipod
08:12:04midkaywhat about reinstalling the *bootloader*?
08:12:09midkaysince it's not appearing for some reason..
08:12:42midkayit sounds like your iPod entered the powered-off deep-sleep mode and when it restored the bootloader was gone for some reason.. weirdness, but a bootloader reinstall is better than a complete wipe, i'd say..
08:12:53natemicwell, my friend did that all in the first place (if you are talking about the slightly complicated process of entering the little lines and shit when you first install it) and i have no clue how to do it
08:12:59natemicwill i be able to keep my music?
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08:14:08scorchemidkay: yeah...what i was thinking...weird...just wanted another opinion =)
08:14:27midkaysure, it's just a bootloader reinstall.. may seem complicated but in the end it's just entering lines and shit as you pointed out. :)
08:14:37natemicall i wanted to do is listen to idioteque in flac through some grados i found before i got to bed
08:14:38midkayyeah, yeah, scorche .. you just wish you thought of it first. :)
08:14:46natemicand now im up at 215 doing this
08:14:47scorchedid too!
08:14:53midkaydid not!!!
08:15:04scorcheit sounds like something happened with the bootloader
08:15:23midkaysomething happened 'with' the bootloader? that and i see no suggestion of a reinstall!!!!!!!
08:15:36scorchei was getting there...
08:15:50scorcheok....thats it..move the discussion to messenger!
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08:21:04scorcheon a side note, is it just me or has sharpe not been in here recently?
08:21:43scorchei think we should call animal control...
08:22:06scorchestart putting up signs
08:22:08midkayhe went away for a week.
08:22:09scorcheLOST DOG
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08:23:28midkayjk btw.
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10:55:24juxtapi got a usb/ac charger for my ipod (which is completely flat), how do i bypass that reboot cycle so i can charge it?
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11:07:10midkayjuxtap, right after resetting, hold select+play.
11:07:23midkayyou'll be in disk mode where you can charge without reboots.
11:08:02amiconnIt's also possible to charge within rockbox, but charging this way is slow
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11:18:08dongsselecT+play eh
11:18:39dongsnot working
11:18:52dongsjust says OK to disconnect
11:21:55midkayyeah?... that's disk mode.
11:22:11midkayyou then plug it in. do you know how to do that?
11:22:34dongsand it doesnt charge.
11:22:40midkayin fact it does.
11:22:40dongslast time i did that i woke up to battery at 5%
11:22:46dongsthe battery doesnt blink.
11:22:52dongsand it just says OK TO DISCONNECT
11:22:53midkaysigh, whatever.
11:23:13dongsim charging it from standby powered usb port
11:24:18midkay'standby powered'..
11:24:23dongsever heard of thaT?
11:24:26midkaysounds relatively useless as far as charging.
11:24:39dongsany modern board will have 5v on backplane usb ports
11:24:45dongseven while power is off
11:25:29dongsthis charges in apple firmware
11:25:32dongsfails in rockbox
11:25:37dongsbut its ok i'l jsut charge while rockbox is running.
11:25:38dongsdoes same thing
11:25:52midkayokay, dongs.
11:26:28dongsis that allright with you sir?
11:27:04midkayif it stops your typing, sure.
11:27:12dongsso much hate
11:27:32midkayso much ignorance.
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14:36:24nls_webIs it OK if I close RockBlox related tasks on Flyspray as invalid?
14:36:46amiconnI think so
14:37:25nls_webOk I will do that
14:37:59*amiconn has a tweaked tetrox. No level limit and smooth, continuous speed increase
14:38:38nls_webAdd it as an option :)
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14:45:40Jungti1234Why are they close-lipped?
14:45:59Jungti1234I want to receive your welcome.... :)
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14:48:32Nico_Pamiconn: could you add the possibility to start at a greater speed in tetrox ? i find it depressingly slow when i start playin...
14:49:53amiconnAs I have it now, it starts at a slighly higher speed than cvs tetrox,
14:50:00amiconnbut slower than rockblox
14:50:30Nico_Prockblox's start speed was pretty good
14:50:43amiconnImho rockblox was too fast
14:51:19theprodukktwhere can i download new wps'S?
14:51:29Nico_Pmaybe making it an option would be good
14:52:12PaulJam or look on
14:53:23Jungti1234Who operates http://
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14:53:49Genre9mp3RedBreva does I think
14:54:29Jungti1234They recorded wrongly that my WPS is other person's WPS.
14:54:43theprodukktis it bad for the lcd to use only some colors (like red?)
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14:58:17goppdoes rockbox support .wmv
14:58:24gopperr .wav
14:58:34goppI can't seem to get this wav files to load
14:58:56Jungti1234wav support
14:59:02PaulJamwav should be supported
14:59:47Jungti1234not support?
15:00:09goppon ipodmini
15:00:22theprodukktis there somewhere in the world wide net a binary of the uisimulator?
15:00:49PaulJamcompile it yourself :P
15:01:02Jungti1234I misunderstood that Rockbox supports it..
15:01:28theprodukktis it possible on windows?
15:01:44theprodukktJungti1234: rockbox supports .wav files
15:01:44PaulJamJungti1234: rockbox supports wav (at least on softwarecodec targets)
15:01:58Jungti1234[21:59:00] <PaulJam> wav should be supported
15:02:04Jungti1234what's mean?
15:02:46theprodukktit means that it supports to 99,9%?
15:02:52theprodukkt^^ is that right translated?
15:02:54goppmaybe my .wav is bad
15:02:58Jungti1234I understood that you speak don't support it.
15:03:04theprodukktlol, try to describe the word should...
15:04:11PaulJamJungti1234: you are right, my statement can be interpreted wrong, sorry
15:04:38PaulJamenglish is not my primary language.
15:04:45Jungti1234hehe me too
15:04:58Jungti1234I'm korean, My English is very bad..
15:05:01goppme three
15:05:09goppI'm spanish
15:06:00theprodukktmaybe we should asks whos primary language in here is english ;)
15:06:03theprodukktmine not ..
15:06:05Jungti1234It's my wps but
15:06:21Jungti1234They don't speak it that is my WPS.
15:06:28theprodukktdo u have the win binary of uisim?
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15:07:32PaulJamdoes the win32 uisimulator still compile? i thought it isn't supported anymore.
15:08:17obothe SDL sim compiles under cygwin...
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15:09:12oboI wonder if it'll also cc via mingw?
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15:13:17goppwhat the best remote for ipod mini for car, that works with rockbox
15:13:26goppI want one of those streeting wheel things
15:13:58PaulJami don't think they work (yet) with rockbox.
15:15:21PaulJamthe ipod port was started only a short time before the feature freeze.
15:15:59goppoh so ipod port is not that old
15:16:26theprodukkton windows: is there a possibility to check which process is accessing a file?
15:17:20obotheprodukkt: yes - check out process explorer from
15:17:33oboor filemon - from the same site
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15:18:56theprodukkt(ive a strange problem -.- many files (mp3) are changing size to 1b... (its content is just a random letter :/)?
15:19:01theprodukktthats not fine
15:19:09theprodukktim loosing my music!
15:19:23theprodukktchkdsk didnt help
15:19:47oboyeah, I seem to remember one many years ago that used to delete mp3 files...
15:20:28theprodukkthow can i save them?
15:20:54theprodukkthas it to be just today!!! tommorow im going to drive on "klassenfahrt"
15:20:58theprodukktvacation with my clas
15:22:11theprodukktthx for the site obo, its genial!
15:22:31theprodukkt(sry, at least i think so)
15:22:45theprodukkt(already had the topic on liking things u dont know xD)
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15:23:56theprodukktfull of hackers here... obo, badger, ...
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15:30:48theprodukktif its a virus it uses the explorer
15:32:43theprodukktin filemon the process has a number after its name, like ports (example: explorer.exe:4080)
15:32:48theprodukktthat does that mean?
15:33:21PaulJamit is the process id
15:34:12PaulJamif for example several insances of explorer.exe are running each one has a unique process id
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15:44:07S0apwholockme will tell you easily what program is locking a file
15:46:34PaulJami think his problem is not that they get locked, but that they get modified/destroyed
15:47:11goppwhat is that
15:47:34S0apthere's a link
15:47:40S0apcan explain it better than me
15:47:50S0apbut PaulJam is probably right.
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15:52:17theprodukktwith what is he right?
15:53:41*theprodukkt is scanning his computer with norton av
15:54:56S0apget a better AV like Avast or NOD32
15:55:09theprodukktdont know them -.-
15:55:27S0apfirst is free, second is better, but has a 30 day trial for free.
15:56:03theprodukktthx ill look for them
15:56:10theprodukktin which points they're better?
15:56:43S0apfaster, better detection, less resource hungry
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17:12:32juxtapholding select+play doesn't stop the reboot cycle
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17:25:22Ribsjuxtap: is your ipod constantly rebooting?
17:26:56juxtapyeah (when i try charge it on a flat battery with usb/ac)
17:27:16Ribswithout charging it, it's opkay?
17:28:05RibsI'm asking, as my old iPod died after I unplugged it from the computer
17:28:13Ribsjust kept rebooting until the battery went flat
17:28:19juxtaphmm, weird
17:28:21Ribsand I was getting odd click from the hard drive
17:28:46juxtapno −− i just wanna be able to charge it without a pc nearby
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18:07:51funkyhi there
18:08:08funkyis av out supported in rockbox ?
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18:10:19linuxstbfunky: No
18:10:50funkylinuxstb: ok, do you know if there is any plan to do it ?
18:11:34funkywould be a nice feature, convert the ipod into a divx player
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18:12:40uskimo0 ! :)
18:13:20linuxstbThat would require video support first... "Just" enabling the AV-Out on the ipods requires reverse-engineering the Apple firmware to work out how it works. Some people in IPL have talked about working on that, but I don't think they've made any progress yet. I'm not aware of any Rockbox people working on it.
18:14:24juxtapanyone got a solution to my problem?
18:17:25linuxstbjuxtap: I would do what midkay suggested earlier - use SELECT+PLAY to force your ipod into disk mode, and charge from there.
18:17:49juxtapdoesn't work.
18:18:12linuxstbWhat happens?
18:18:14juxtaphow do you suppose i force it into disk mode if the battery is dead?
18:18:26linuxstbYou say it constantly reboots - so as it reboots, enter disk mode.
18:18:56funkylinuxstb: ok, thanks
18:20:54juxtapoh cool it's working
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19:52:53Bagdermrh figured out the signing of the mi4 files
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19:56:20linuxstbMr h seems a useful person to have around...
19:56:27Bagderheck yes
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19:56:40BagderI'm quite amazed
19:57:11linuxstbSo you're ready to try to install a modified firmware on the sansa?
19:57:34Bagderyes, I think I'm gonna be able to do a test shot really soon
19:58:09dionoeado you guys always have a way to fall back to previous firmware when doing these tests ?
19:58:15dionoeaor did you already loose some players ?
19:58:34Bagderwe don't know really so there's a risk that I'll get a paper weight
19:59:04Bagderbut I intend to test with just a very simple mod at first to just verify the upgrade procedure
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20:02:23dionoeahow do you get "debug" output when runing these tests ?
20:02:33dionoeai guess that you don't have lcd output or filewriting available
20:02:33Bagderwe don't
20:03:17Bagderthis is gonna be binary: it either works or it does not
20:04:03dionoeado you have some oscilloscopes and voltmeters every where to check how the different chips react ?
20:04:18BagderI don't see any reason to
20:04:30Bagderwe're not in that stage of porting
20:04:36dionoeaok :)
20:04:43Bagderwe're just dealing with the file format and how to upgrade to our own image
20:04:59Bagderwe haven't yet started to try to actually code anything
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21:08:56S0apwhat obo?
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21:09:40obolatest post in the general forum
21:10:07S0apthe "how do I get an avatar"
21:10:18S0apone? (dang the " is too close to the Enter)
21:10:46PaulJamit contains a lot of links
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21:34:50theprodukktanyone here?
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21:39:18Landusi AM.
21:39:24LandusDunno if I can help.
21:39:29LandusUgh, bloody caps lock.
21:40:40theprodukkti just uploaded 4000 mp3 to my iriver h320
21:41:32LandusNot seeing the problem.
21:41:33theprodukktwhen using the filetree i tried to add all files (directory music) by holding the nav key and then adding it to playlist, but then commes a fast error (so fast that i cant read) and the files arent added
21:42:29LandusWell, in the next few days when I get my h320 in the mail and get accustomed to Rockbox, I'll see if I can help you out with that problem.
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21:42:57LandusThough, if I had to take a guess, there's a chance you may be putting DRM mp3's on the DAP.
21:43:13LandusRockbox doeesn't have DRM support. Dunno if it would cause an error, though.
21:43:15theprodukktdont think so
21:43:21PaulJamthere is no DRM system for .mp3
21:43:53LandusThere ends my potential solutions.
21:44:00theprodukktPaulJam: can u help me?
21:44:20PaulJamcould be hard if you can't read the error
21:44:53theprodukktill try
21:44:57theprodukkt2 catch it
21:45:07LandusIt's a long shot and might be time consuming, but could to try putting each mp3 on at a time?
21:45:12LandusOr ten on at a time?
21:45:36LandusOr if the filenames are set up neatly, an entire artist at once?
21:45:40PaulJambut you could try to create the playlist by entering the directory where your music is and then enter the menu and select: "Playlist Optionen" => " Erstelle Playlist"
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21:47:08theprodukkthow do i enter the menu?
21:47:24PaulJam(short press)
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21:48:01theprodukktbut there are missing 8 files
21:48:10theprodukktmaybe on of them had drm and crashed it?
21:48:13theprodukktill check it
21:49:38theprodukktcould a file that rockbox cant read be the matter?
21:49:44theprodukktlike .scn?
21:49:51theprodukktor should he just skip them?
21:49:59PaulJamdoes the playlist length exceed the value given in "Grundeinstellungen" => "System" => "Grenzwerte" => "Max Playlist-Länge"?
21:50:12theprodukkti set it to 5000
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21:51:43PaulJami dont think rockbox opens the files while creating the playlist.
21:51:58theprodukktthink so 2
21:52:05LandusIn theory, I doesn't make sense for it to.
21:52:15Landusit, rather.
21:52:18theprodukktbut he checks the ending dont he?
21:52:39theprodukktdoes rockbox support wma/mid files?
21:53:03PaulJamsomeone is working on .wma
21:53:38theprodukktwhat does Verzeichniss rekursiv durchsuchen do?
21:54:00S0apthere are .wma's on the filesharing networks that have been renamed .mp3
21:54:34theprodukktis there a possibility to clear the playlist?
21:54:36PaulJamThere is a plugin for midi files. in order to use it you need to download some patchset-file but the plugin isn't very good imo.
21:54:36LandusThen they wouldn't play.
21:54:58LandusIf .wma files had their extensions changed to .mp3 without being converted.
21:55:36LandusThe file would still be encoded as .wma and the .mp3 decoder trying to read the file wouldn't be able to understand it.
21:55:44S0apthey wouldn't play on rockbox, but winamp/WMP would play them.
21:55:45theprodukkt^^ pg xD
21:55:46PaulJam"verzeichnisse rekursiv hinzufägen" should be enabled, or it will only add the files that are directly in the selected folder
21:55:55theprodukktthats the matter xD
21:55:55LandusNo, they wouldn't.
21:56:05S0apLandus - yes, they do. I just did it.
21:56:16LandusThen they weren't renamed.
21:56:19LandusThey were converted.
21:56:25S0apI just renamed one.
21:56:51LandusThen whatever software you used to play the file still recognized the file as a .wma.
21:56:59S0apexactly what I said.
21:56:59LandusAnd used a .wma decoder.
21:57:13S0ap[2006-07-09 15:57:52] <S0ap> they wouldn't play on rockbox, but winamp/WMP would play them.
21:57:23theprodukktdo u know a possibility to create the playlist from a dir (not saving it, just loading the playlist) (because when i use add to playlist the old files are still there)
21:57:44*theprodukkt asks himself if u can understand his question
21:57:44LandusBecause whatever you used didn't use the encoder for the file you changed the extension for.
21:57:56S0apexactly, Landus.
21:58:01LandusWhat you said isn't much different than putting a CD and trying to play it in a record player.
21:58:02PaulJamtheprodukkt: try to stop playback before creating the playlist
21:58:03LandusIt won't work.
21:58:37theprodukktnow i remember: the playlist exists only during playing
21:58:41theprodukktwas already said here
21:58:43S0apmy point being, if he downloaded .wma files reNAMED .mp3, winamp, WMP, etc would still play them as they treat you with kid gloves.
21:58:44theprodukktok thx guys
21:58:47theprodukktill go sleeping
21:59:05*theprodukkt hat morgen klassenfahrt (und 2x 100watt rms boxen + verstrker :))
21:59:13theprodukktsry 4 german
21:59:16theprodukktbye bye
21:59:17S0apso he wouldn't know they were really wma files until he tried them on rockbox.
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21:59:25LandusWhile that seems to be true, who would want to do that?
21:59:47S0apas I said, the filesharing networks are full of corrupt files that have had this done to them.
22:00:00LandusDon't use filesharing networks?
22:00:15S0apdid I suggest using them?
22:00:41LandusYou did. Not directly.
22:00:46S0apno I didn't
22:00:49LandusYou implied the use of one.
22:01:14Landus<S0ap> my point being, if he downloaded .wma files reNAMED .mp3, winamp, WMP, etc would still play them as they treat you with kid gloves.
22:01:31S0apI offered this situation as a theory to explain theprodukkt's evidence
22:01:44Landus<S0ap> there are .wma's on the filesharing networks that have been renamed .mp3
22:01:57S0apand those quotes are me suggesting he use FS networks?
22:02:14Landus<S0ap> and those quotes are me suggesting he use FS networks?
22:02:23Landus<S0ap> did I suggest using them?
22:02:23Landus <Landus> Yes.
22:02:27S0apyour primary language, I'll assume, isn't English.
22:02:41LandusIt is.
22:02:41PaulJamone could also understand that as a warning rather than a suggestion to use it
22:03:31S0apI still don't see where I _suggested_ he do anything. I speculated as to what he might have done...
22:03:38LandusThat's suggesting.
22:03:49S0apas in recomending?
22:04:07LandusSuggesting and reccomending can be two different things.
22:05:02LandusIt depends on the situation.
22:05:21LandusBlech. Wrong window.
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22:34:08theprodukktim back
22:34:12theprodukktwith another problem
22:34:26*theprodukkt has just problems the last time ... :/
22:34:33theprodukktthis time with the wps
22:34:49theprodukktthe text is displaced -.-
22:35:41PaulJammaybe the wrong font, or the wps needs additional patches (e.g. scrolling margins, etc.)
22:35:45theprodukkt(btw, do u know a site where i can store my screendump temporally)
22:35:57theprodukktits on most wps
22:36:12theprodukktcan i change the font?
22:36:17PaulJamhave you installed the fonts pack?
22:36:29theprodukktnever seen it :/
22:36:41PaulJamit can be found on the daily builds page
22:38:15theprodukktin the Rockbox info theres showed the buffer size
22:38:23theprodukktwhich buffer is it?
22:38:49PaulJamcompressed audiodata (i think)
22:38:54Bagderthe compressed-audio buffer
22:39:17theprodukktis it the free space for the buffer
22:39:27sharpeBagder: i'm home! :D
22:39:30Bagderno, its the total size of it
22:39:58theprodukktare 30mb ok?
22:40:19Bagderok for what?
22:40:21theprodukktenough/2 much/ not enough?
22:40:23theprodukktdont know
22:40:30theprodukktjust asked
22:40:33Bagderwhy would it be wrong?
22:40:43theprodukkt100kb are 2 low, nor?
22:40:50*Bagder shuts up
22:41:22sharpewhat'd i miss... anyone?
22:41:31theprodukktNOT ITALY
22:41:34Bagdersharpe: the twiki takedown
22:41:39theprodukktsry for the ****
22:41:42Bagderdue to another hack
22:41:46Galoisfrance deserved it after that headbutt
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22:42:03theprodukktwhere can i download the voice files?
22:42:20Bagderwatch TV if you care, do not echo it here
22:43:41sharpeahh, good ole #rockbox...
22:43:44theprodukktis there a possibility to change the background to self chosen bmp files?
22:44:08PaulJamyes, read the manual
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22:46:16theprodukktin the manual it just stands how to do it by using the wps
22:46:44theprodukktbut im looking for a solution doin it just in time on the h320
22:46:57PaulJamit is in the context menu for .bmp files. it has to be 220x176 and 24bit
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22:47:25S0aptheprodukkt is using an ipod, is he not?
22:47:48PaulJamput the bachdrop in .rockbox/backdrops/
22:48:03theprodukktalready in backdrops
22:48:07*theprodukkt uses the h320
22:49:11S0apmy bad
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23:01:31theprodukktfound it (trie and error :))
23:01:37theprodukktbut where in the manual does it stand?
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23:21:25Bagdercan someone with windows get that exe and send me the contents it unpacks?
23:21:40linuxstb_Have you tried Wine? (if not, I can)
23:21:41Bagderits an mi4 and BL file
23:21:46PaulJamcan't you use wine?
23:21:55BagderI don't have it installed here
23:22:16linuxstb_OK, I'll give it a go.
23:22:28sheppardok then i wont
23:22:41linuxstb_sheppard: If you have real windows, then please go ahead...
23:22:52linuxstb_(I'm just about to try it with wine)
23:23:32sheppardyeah i got real windoze on my lappy
23:24:40XavierGrif you still want help with that file I can help
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23:25:40sheppardi dont have any tools to get whats in the file out
23:26:07Bagderdoesn't it unpack them in a specific dir?
23:26:09linuxstb_Bagder: The installer looks for an m:robe, but before it does that, it helpfully puts everything in a temp directory... I'll upload it for you now.
23:26:22sheppardlinuxstb_ has it
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23:28:23Bagderseems the h10 comes with more versions of their mi4 files
23:28:41Bagderas posted in the forum
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23:34:14lamed(that's better. ) hello everyone
23:34:54lamedany Dev is around?
23:36:14lamedhmmm. I always join in way too late for them :/
23:36:35sharpei'm sure one will be on sometime shortly.
23:36:53Bagderthere are always devs around
23:36:57linuxstblamed: Ask your question, and I'm sure someone will answer...
23:37:09sharpei'm right. go me. yay. !
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23:42:30lamedhehe :) not exactly a question, I have a real nice hebrew enhancement patch somewhere... let me see, that's really nice. I'd just like to talk it over a little. What I did was moving all LANG_ strings that would be displayed using FONT_SYSFIXED font to LANG_SYSFONT_ strings. that way hebrew like any other non-latin language could be _really_ used.
23:42:41lamedit's right over
23:43:15lamed(I'll shortly update it)
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23:44:03theprodukktive buffer underruns sometimes...
23:44:07theprodukktwhats the matter for them?
23:44:23sharpethe buffer was emptied. :)
23:44:41theprodukktwhat can i do against them?
23:44:57sharpewhat exactly are we talking about?
23:45:07theprodukkt(at least i think that those little pauses in playback are buffer underruns)
23:45:39sharpefunny, everyone who mentions them, calls them freezes, or skips...
23:45:48PaulJamhow do you manage that, for me the rarely boosts at all.
23:45:48lamedmmm, I guess no one wants to talk about my low-level user-friendliness patches.
23:46:32PaulJamtheprodukkt: what kind of flies are you playing?
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23:47:05Bagderlamed: why does adding SYSFIXED solve anything?
23:47:41Bagderto me it seems that could be done by mentioning the sys font in the description for the phrase
23:47:56lamedbagder: because there you could use the english translation. otherwise, hebrew users just get squares.
23:48:39Bagderok, so the actual fix for your case is that you just skipped translation a bunch of phrases?
23:49:33lamedwell, It can't be displayed in hebrew, and we couldn't afford any other way of having non-latin fonts loaded.
23:49:57lamedthe fix, to be accurate,
23:50:05BagderI didn't say that either, I'm asking about your fix
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23:51:40theprodukktok, now i had 3 skips/freezes in the last minute... (mp3 file, 192kbps, 3:29 min)
23:51:43theprodukktwhat can i do?
23:51:52lamedis because most strings, say LANG_REPEAT, will be used both in sysfont and in unicode places. the idea was to seperate those two occasions. I've discussed in the past about loading other non-latin fonts, it wasn't a very likeable idea.
23:52:35lamedhebrew isn't the only occasion, other languages benefit from that too.
23:52:56theprodukktis it usual that the displays brightness isnt stable
23:53:05theprodukkt(was heit flackern?)
23:53:33Bagderlamed: seems like a reasonable approach
23:53:45*theprodukkt feels ignored :(
23:53:58lamedas for now, you can't, by any means, use hebrew translation in quickscreens and recording screens.
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23:55:43lamedand it's either not using the default font at all in rockbox, because that will always make translation problems, or having different builds for every language (which isn't practical), or just seperating the two cases.
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23:57:10theprodukktthx :/
23:57:31lamedbagder: I'm glad you agree... that's why I told you right there in the tracker to accept it!
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23:57:58^icewind^hi there
23:58:26^icewind^i want to install rockbox on my ipod, but if i click at the download link für the ipod patcher i always get "The twiki parts will be brought back soon. Please be patient."
23:58:48^icewind^can enybody please upload the file(s) for me, or send them to me?
23:58:52theprodukktwhats wrong if my display flickers?
23:59:00PaulJamtheprodukkt: i guess no one has an idea what is wrong on your device, 192k mp3s should play fine on iriver devices.

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