#rockbox 2006-07-09

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#rockbox log for 2006-07-09

00:00:06	*	dionoea remembers seeing an icon in the upper right corner on the status bar
00:00:21	PaulJam	theprodukkt: the disk ico is in the upper righter
00:00:27	dionoea	at least when it's doing tag cache stuff
00:00:47	obo	some (many?) custom themes don't include it
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00:03:04	thprdkkt	disc wasnt spinning anymore
00:03:08	thprdkkt	but still untagged
00:03:19	thprdkkt	i think the problem is in id tag recognisation
00:03:41	thprdkkt	because even there should be a problem with the db he should show me the tags in id tag info
00:03:44	thprdkkt	but he dont
00:03:45	S0ap	you search the forums yet for other complaints of such behavior?
00:04:33	thprdkkt	first asked here
00:04:40		Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:04:41	thprdkkt	because of lower "ping" ;)
00:05:00	S0ap	there is a MASSIVE amount of info in the forums, and on the site in general.
00:05:23	S0ap	doing due diligence (SP!) is a common courtesey (SP!).
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00:06:18	thprdkkt	sry, cannot understand ur last sentence, what does it mean?
00:07:01	S0ap	it means it would be polite of you to do your part in researching the problem before asking questions.
00:07:24	S0ap	Get familiar with the answers already written, the questions already answered, the problems already solved.
00:07:48	thprdkkt	sounds good :/
00:07:51	thprdkkt	and hard :(
00:08:40	Bagder	"Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. "
00:08:47	S0ap	maybe it is just me, and maybe I am wrong, but you come across as not having read much of the info on the website already, and that limits the willingness of people to answer every little question.
00:09:30	Bagder	http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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00:18:49	thprdkkt	allright
00:18:59	thprdkkt	didnt find anything on the forums
00:19:07	thprdkkt	(didnt search a lot sry)
00:19:13	thprdkkt	but found out following:
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00:19:41	thprdkkt	the id3 tag header starts at different positions
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00:20:14	thprdkkt	tested about 10 files which are recognized, their headers all start at positions != 266 bytes
00:21:02	thprdkkt	the tagheader of the unrecognized (untagged) files start at exactly 266bytes !
00:21:27	thprdkkt	!= means not
00:21:30	Bagder	when you play that file, does Rockbox show the id3 tags properly in the wps?
00:21:37	thprdkkt	no
00:21:47	Bagder	wow
00:21:52	thprdkkt	^^ bug?
00:21:59	Bagder	not likely
00:22:07	Bagder	more likely a restriction you've faced
00:22:17	S0ap	we talking v1 or v2 tags?
00:22:23	Bagder	like them containing a huge album art tag or similar
00:22:26	thprdkkt	both tags
00:22:34	thprdkkt	the files have both tags ste
00:22:35	thprdkkt	set
00:22:44	S0ap	2.3 or 2.4?
00:23:12	thprdkkt	how can i test if 2.3 or 2.4
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00:23:58	S0ap	I don't know how to test, you can check what you tagger is set up to do. I only ask because many taggers were/are flaky with their id3v2.4 implementation.
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00:25:05	thprdkkt	i tagged all my files with The GodFather some hours ago
00:25:21	thprdkkt	each file with the same tagversion i think
00:25:39	thprdkkt	so i dont think its the implementation
00:25:44	thprdkkt	winamp reads the tags
00:25:48	thprdkkt	explorer 2
00:26:02	thprdkkt	only thing i found out were the magical 266 bytes
00:26:07	thprdkkt	higher and lower works
00:26:23	S0ap	do you have album art tags as Bagder asked?
00:26:59	thprdkkt	most of my files have just interpret and artist
00:27:06	thprdkkt	those affected too
00:27:41	Bagder	then I suggest you make one of the failing files available and file a bug report
00:27:42	thprdkkt	ah, maybe i found something...
00:28:30	thprdkkt	didnt find anything :(
00:28:48	thprdkkt	where can i make it available?
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00:29:05	thprdkkt	(on the other hand i think its thegodfathers failure..)
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00:29:26	thprdkkt	(if u hear the first time of that bug.. and soooo many files are affected!)
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00:38:20	scottder	Hey all...whats new in Rockbox-land?
00:38:50	thprdkkt	found a bug (or something like that)
00:38:55	*	thprdkkt is proud !
00:39:42	Bagder	proud is what you should be when you fix it
00:39:47	scottder	hehe
00:40:44	thprdkkt	finding is the first step ;)
00:41:03	scottder	And knowing is half the battle
00:41:14	scottder	philosophy by GI Joes
00:41:17	scottder	:)
00:41:19	scottder	Joe
00:42:20	S0ap	thprdkkt - read your PM
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00:44:46	scottder	So whats the bug?
00:45:25	scottder	or Undcoumented Feature :)
00:45:53	thprdkkt	i think its my fault xD
00:45:57	scottder	heh
00:46:07	scottder	ahhh User Error...I know that one :)
00:46:08	*	thprdkkt is not exactly sure
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00:46:16	thprdkkt	dont know how to fix
00:49:44	thprdkkt	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5195.0
00:50:30	thprdkkt	^^ thats my problem
00:51:19	scottder	weird
00:52:01	Bagder	that 266 bytes index is probably just a coincidense
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00:52:22	thprdkkt	coin what?
00:52:37	Bagder	a fluke
00:52:45	Bagder	a random thing
00:52:49	S0ap	FWIW thprdkkt, there is no reason to believe your problem is iriver specific, and so that question should most likely be posted in rockbox general forum instead of the iriver forum.
00:52:50	scottder	anything else that makes those files similar
00:53:28	Bagder	thread moved
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00:53:41	thprdkkt	ok thx
00:53:47	thprdkkt	wasnt sure
00:53:55	S0ap	I wasn't trying to nitpick, buddy, just thought you would get more eyeballs.
00:54:24	]RowaN[	ahah.. i was wondering why only SOME of the songs i dragged onto this ipod would play (after rebuilding the database with foo_ipod) ... if filenames of songs are too long ipod firmware doesnt like it
00:54:27	scottder	and the word you were looking for is "recognition"
00:54:28	scottder	:0
00:54:29	scottder	:)
00:54:38	Bagder	just noticed a great bugfix in mips-linux:
00:54:43	Bagder	- hpc3c0->rtcregs[RTC_YEAR] = BIN2BCD(tm.tm_sec);
00:54:43	Bagder	+ hpc3c0->rtcregs[RTC_YEAR] = BIN2BCD(tm.tm_year);
00:54:49	]RowaN[	thats something worth adding to the twiki page i think.. would have saved me 2 hours of guesswork anyway
00:55:00	Bagder	that's a helluva typo
00:55:19	]RowaN[	when this ipodnano boots it says linux error: -1 ... should that mean anything to me darlings?
00:55:57	obo	means don't hold down play if you don't have a linux.bin file
00:55:58	PaulJam	]RowaN[: propably rockbox.ipod not found
00:56:20	]RowaN[	it does find, coz it boots
00:56:29	]RowaN[	i put rockbox.ipod inside the .rockbox dir mind you
00:56:35	PaulJam	oh, sorry, didn't read the linux part
00:57:07	S0ap	]RowaN[ - it's a _path_ limit, not filename. So \music\rock\led Zeppelin\houses of the holy\1.mp3 won't work either.
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00:57:43	]RowaN[	hmm thats odd then some stuff i put on the root didnt work... do you know the exact path limit of characters?
00:57:52	obo	I thought it was path including the length of the filename??? 32 characters I think
00:57:54	S0ap	short. 27 characters?
00:58:07	]RowaN[	wow hehe
00:58:29	]RowaN[	even a mac can have 31 character filenames or something
00:58:43	thprdkkt	how many developers are working on rockbox?
00:58:48	S0ap	obo - when I said "path" I ment full path including the filename and extension.
00:58:57	]RowaN[	next question.. how to batch rename a few hundred files to 27 char filenames
00:59:02	S0ap	sorry I wasn't all that clear.
00:59:22	S0ap	]RowaN[ - yuck.
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01:00:28	]RowaN[	blame apple not me
01:00:42	S0ap	I think it would be easier to use your music w/both firmwares if you loaded all the songs with itunes/anapod/foopod (whatever) for the apple firmware, and then used tagcache in rockbox instead of file tree navigation.
01:01:12	]RowaN[	good idea
01:01:57	thprdkkt	scottder: didnt i write "recognition", i thought i wrote it like that
01:05:34	thprdkkt	does somebody has the uisimulator windows binary?
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01:07:13	scottder	So, did anything tangible come out of the Sandisk thing and Rockbox?
01:08:34	Bagder	nope (not yet at least)
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01:08:43	Bagder	except for the fact that we broke the encryption
01:09:00	Bagder	so now we can decode mi4 files
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01:09:40	scottder	Ahh....was just curious....
01:10:21	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html for details on the latter
01:12:25	scottder	Huh...well first steps....
01:13:03	Bagder	yeah, and these are in fact also first steps that enable several other ports
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01:13:28	scottder	Excellent...the more options the better I say
01:13:30	scottder	:)
01:20:40	midkay	Bagder, you broke the encryption? how?
01:21:11	Bagder	well, I personally didn't because I'm too lame
01:21:51	midkay	"you" as in "you guys working on it" :)
01:21:55	Bagder	but 'MrH' who did the most work clearly is a clever fellow
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01:22:07	midkay	Bagder isn't lame. hugs
01:22:12	Bagder	hehe
01:22:35	midkay	how'd he do it, do you know?
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01:23:16	Bagder	reverse engineering of the BL file and then I think he found some fixed values that turned out to be used for a specific crypto algo
01:23:36	midkay	interesting, and very cool. :)
01:23:51	Bagder	oh yes
01:24:11	Bagder	we still can encrypt our own files properly though
01:24:17	Bagder	so there's still work left to do on the file format
01:24:27	midkay	still can't, you mean?
01:24:34	Bagder	oops, yes
01:24:40	Bagder	of the more complicated types
01:24:47	midkay	nodes
01:24:49	midkay	nods*!!!
01:27:25	thprdkkt	in the win32 uisim dir i find a makefile
01:27:32	thprdkkt	isnt that for linux?
01:28:00	Bagder	yes and no
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01:31:48	thprdkkt	in the manual at wps tags theres listet the tag %rr
01:32:15	thprdkkt	Song rating (0-10). This tag can also be used in a conditional tag,
01:32:27	thprdkkt	is there a possibility to rate songs?!
01:32:53	Bagder	it used to be
01:33:09	thprdkkt	how can i rate?
01:33:12	Bagder	but the db is now modified and it is no longer possible until the feature is again introduced
01:33:26	midkay	it USED to be.. as in... no longer.
01:34:44	thprdkkt	:(
01:34:49	thprdkkt	was a nice feature!
01:35:16	midkay	you never used it, how'd you know? time machine? telepathy?!
01:36:22	thprdkkt	hm
01:36:26	thprdkkt	i imagined
01:36:27	PaulJam	he could have used an old build.
01:36:35	Genre9mp3	midkay: well, he can imagine using it
01:38:01	midkay	Genre9mp3, what if you had to create 100 text files in random directories with the same rating in each in order to rate ONE SONG?!
01:38:09	midkay	he'd consider that 'nice'?!
01:39:13	thprdkkt	it wasnt realy that hard?!
01:39:46	Genre9mp3	midkay: never used ratings on my songs, but I didn't get what you are trying to say there
01:39:55	midkay	you mean you think there's a possibility a rockbox feature in CVS was to create 100 text files in random dirs to rate songs?
01:40:11	thprdkkt	in my imagination i held the navikey, selected rate and rated it from menu ...
01:40:22	midkay	Genre9mp3, i mean, imagining it could be anything, far off from how it really worked. i never used it before but i don't see the point of saying it was nice without trying it. it was a semi-joke.. :)
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01:41:11	Genre9mp3	midkay: OK, I see, but of course I suppose the rating would be stored in the file's tag
01:41:43	midkay	Genre9mp3, joke, what-if kind of joke.. that's it.. :)
01:41:52	thprdkkt	i suppose it would be stored in an extra file, saved in the .rockbox dir
01:42:28	midkay	see, conflicting ideas already, and you pseudo-liked it.
01:42:55	thprdkkt	pseudo liking is the first step
01:42:56	thprdkkt	;)
01:42:58	Genre9mp3	midkay: hehe... imagine tagcache do that and create different text files for each file and each tag!
01:43:04	quiet	Does anybody know why I can't download the boatloader for the 5th gen ipod video? I seems like the server is down... are there any mirrors?
01:43:15	*	thprdkkt is doing first steps only.. mising the rest :/
01:43:18	midkay	Genre9mp3, exactly, which is why you can't say "i love tagchache" before you try it. :)
01:43:20	midkay	tagcache*
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01:43:58	Genre9mp3	BTW, I like how tagcache works
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01:45:39	quiet	Thanks but, I need to do the install from linux. I think the file should be ".bin"
01:46:07	S0ap	ahh
01:46:41	S0ap	yes, I was trying to send you the 5g windows files
01:47:05	quiet	Thanks anyway
01:47:27	S0ap	there is a wiki mirror up
01:47:45	quiet	Got a link?
01:47:57	S0ap	let me get it out of my log
01:48:33	S0ap	http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki
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01:48:49	S0ap	doh! It is in the topc.
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01:52:30	thprdkkt	wow
01:52:45	thprdkkt	is there a possibility to reset the rockbox config while booting?
01:55:05	PaulJam	hold record
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02:53:38	ricardo_dawkins	any solution for this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0
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02:55:02	qwm	scorche: gg!
02:55:03	midkay	QWM!!
02:55:17	qwm	fu. :)
02:55:20	scorche	i win
02:55:25	qwm	i lose.
02:55:26	qwm	:[
02:55:27	midkay	ah, this loser.
02:55:27	midkay	haha.
02:55:33	qwm	...
02:55:40	qwm	so.. start mapping for a REAL game!
02:55:41	qwm	like cs:s
02:55:42	qwm	:D
02:55:54	midkay	haha.
02:57:24	ricardo_dawkins	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0
02:57:28	ricardo_dawkins	any solution ?
02:58:49	qwm	oh btw midkay, what's happened with rockbox the past few weeks?
02:59:05	midkay	haha. funny that you ask in THIS CHANNEL!
02:59:19	midkay	nothing much anyways. waiting for a major fix or two before 3.0 is released.
02:59:20	qwm	yeah, isn't it? ;)
02:59:22	ricardo_dawkins	what are we talking about ?
02:59:41	qwm	what about may 15th? does that date ring any bells?
02:59:42	ricardo_dawkins	Will ever RB include video playback ?
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03:00:18	qwm	ricardo_dawkins: video is sooo the the last millenium.
03:01:08	midkay	haha.
03:03:23	ricardo_dawkins	and how I could play video again on my H320 since RB fubared the iriver firmware ?
03:03:31		Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!")
03:03:45	ricardo_dawkins	will the developers ever try to place video playback on RB ?
03:06:42	chendo_	ricardo_dawkins, boot back into the iriver firmware?
03:06:49	midkay	not in the near future, unlikely.
03:07:01	ricardo_dawkins	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0
03:07:14	ricardo_dawkins	iriver firmware freezes on the LOADING screen
03:07:26	ricardo_dawkins	see my post on the forums
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03:09:08	chendo_	then i dunno
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03:18:15	ricardo_dawkins	where are the developers ?
03:18:27	ricardo_dawkins	are they developing or lost in Mars ?
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03:24:58	ricardo_dawkins	...welll another day will pass without anyway to solve my problems
03:25:24	BHSPitMonkey	developing on mars, I think
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05:47:03	webguest53	anybody there??
05:47:52	webguest53	need some help downloading the bootloader...
05:48:07	webguest53	not able to dwnload it
05:48:30	S0ap	the wiki is down
05:48:42	S0ap	go to the temp mirror as in the channel topic
05:48:54	webguest53	oh..
05:48:55	S0ap	http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki
05:49:01	webguest53	thanks...
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05:52:30	webguest53	what files do i need to download for the iPod-video??
05:53:39	S0ap	read the wiki on installing.
05:55:06	webguest53	in there there is some file called "bootloader-video.bin"
05:55:37	S0ap	for linux installs
05:56:01	webguest53	no windows
05:56:22	S0ap	read the install instructions. They are good, while I am drunk.
05:56:39	webguest53	lol'
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06:30:18	DrNo	is the portalplayer sdk available anywhere?
06:30:40	aegray	no
06:31:08	DrNo	hard to believe that they can keep such control over it
06:31:25	aegray	why?
06:31:31	aegray	its their sdk. they want you to pay for it.
06:31:45	S0ap	how much?
06:31:57	DrNo	there has to be at least one supporter out there
06:31:59	aegray	i'm sure it costs a pretty penny + an NDA
06:32:30	S0ap	Yea, the NDA would kind of stink.
06:32:44	DrNo	I don't think it's available to anyone but their partners
06:33:11	S0ap	My question was half tongue in cheek, but I was half serious if a price had been set.
06:33:14	DrNo	or chip purchasers
06:33:55	aegray	or people they are sleeping with....
06:33:57	DrNo	if you buy chips I'm sure they supply it to you without cos
06:33:58	*	aegray gets ideas
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06:36:02	DrNo	I'd sleep with them for the sdk <grin>
06:36:24	aegray	i was thinking about getting a sandwhich. thats gross.
06:36:36	DrNo	sorry........
06:37:50	DrNo	I'm gonna go check my fridge now that you mention it
06:37:57	midkay	mature, aegray, mature.
06:38:26	aegray	you dont have to be mature to love sandwhiches.
06:38:45	midkay	it's "sandwich" btw.
06:38:58	aegray	bhahahah i'm obviously tired
06:39:20	webguest53	nee help... the instructions in the manual is giving an error
06:39:22	midkay	nearing your bedtime?!?!?
06:39:31	aegray	just a bit
06:39:46	midkay	webguest53, we can't help unless you tell us what error.
06:40:19	webguest53	kboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
06:40:48	webguest53	C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\rox-ipod>ipod_fw -g video -o roc
06:41:39	webguest53	when i execute that command i get an erroe the cannot find apple_os.bin
06:41:59	midkay	well, is apple_os.bin there?
06:42:07	webguest53	no...
06:42:15	midkay	then.. you.. skipped a step or did something wrong.
06:42:22	webguest53	not in that folder
06:42:29	midkay	then.. you.. skipped a step or did something wrong.
06:42:30	webguest53	no..
06:42:44	aegray	bhaha
06:42:47	webguest53	did follow the inst in the manual..
06:42:50	midkay	sigh, we'll see..
06:43:04	aegray	i no longer feel dumb for my sandwhich.
06:43:13	aegray	wait. yes i do.
06:43:42	webguest53	but there is one inst that is repeated in the manual...
06:43:58	midkay	ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin
06:44:01	midkay	did you do that?..
06:44:14	webguest53	ya..
06:44:19	midkay	replacing 'n' with your ipod's number, of course..
06:44:25	webguest53	ya..
06:44:28	webguest53	did it...
06:44:30	midkay	no errors?
06:44:39	webguest53	no..
06:44:55	midkay	that extracts the firmware, so quite simply, yes there was an error, you either typed it wrong or got something in return.
06:45:40	webguest53	i got a file by the name bootpartition.bin
06:45:49	webguest53	a 8o Mb file...
06:46:21	midkay	aha, maybe a manual mistake..
06:46:48	webguest53	but where do i get the apple _os.bin file
06:47:02	midkay	it should be extracted but it would seem that the manual has a mistake.
06:47:49	webguest53	anyidea abt the correct inst???
06:48:34	midkay	hm..
06:49:54	midkay	maybe someone else knows, i can't recall it.
06:50:04	S0ap	webguest53 - what platform are you installing from?
06:50:18	webguest53	windows
06:50:24	DrNo	So if I read the portalplayer site correctly the FDK is for software development on the player and the sdk if for apps on the pc. correct?
06:50:37	midkay	either way, sorry about that, i can't believe that was overlooked.. we just get so many "i swear i did everything it said" people who minutes later see "ohhhhhhh oops i typed something wrong"..
06:51:02	S0ap	and you've read the wiki instructions?
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06:51:11	S0ap	nvm
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06:53:08	webguest36	where do i find the wiki instructions???
06:53:19	midkay	can't.. wiki's down.
06:54:23	webguest36	so what should i do now???
06:54:44	webguest36	any ideas
06:56:28	midkay	as on the forums perhaps
06:56:31	midkay	ask*
06:56:55	webguest36	kk..
06:56:59	webguest36	thanks...
06:57:39	midkay	np
06:58:52	DrNo	Goodnight everyone!
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07:05:41	S0ap	wiki is down but the mirror is up
07:05:49	S0ap	see the topic
07:06:09	S0ap	http:/daniel.haxx.se/twiki/
07:07:30	S0ap	oops, files only
07:07:38	S0ap	see google cache for instructions, my bad.
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07:45:58	natemic	hey, anyone still awake?
07:47:27	natemic	damn, can anyone give me some help
07:48:38	natemic	hello
07:49:20	natemic	please
07:49:21	natemic	haha
07:49:53	scorche	ask you question, and someone can get to it...saying something every 20 seconds doesnt do any good >_>
07:49:57	scorche	*your
07:50:24	natemic	no, it doesnt
07:51:11	natemic	i switch between the rockbox and apple interfaces often, but for some reason its now stuck in the apple one and even when i hard reset i cant get it to boot with the rockbox interface
07:51:34	natemic	is there any other way to access/reboot with the rockbox interface
07:51:58	natemic	i dont care about my apple music, but the rockbox stuff is my only backup and all flac, so i dont want to lose any if possible
07:52:32	scorche	have you done anything to illicit this behavior?
07:54:19	natemic	nah, i just hadnt switched back from the apple interface in a while and now it just wont let me
07:54:23	natemic	its as if its taken over
07:54:47	natemic	ill do anything, including wipe my ipod, except i just dont want to lose that music, like i said
07:55:31	scorche	can you still access the ipod from explorer? (assuming you are in windows)
07:56:42	natemic	yeah
07:56:54	natemic	i just cant get it to start up with the rockbox splash screen
07:57:34	scorche	so any time that you shut the ipod down, and turn it back on, it loads straight into the ipod firmware?
07:57:55	natemic	when i hard reset, i used to see that screen that said 'loading rockbox' or 'loading original firmware', etc. but now its just the apple then the normal apple interface
07:58:06	natemic	yes, straight to the apple interface
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07:58:34	scorche	did you upgrade to the new apple firmware recently?
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07:59:17	natemic	well, i did, but after the problem already occurred
07:59:43	natemic	i had tried everything else and just did it becuase it was only booting in the apple interface anyway, so i figured it couldnt hurt
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08:00:22	natemic	if i run the ipod updater and click 'restore to factory settings' will it delete everything or just the apple branded music... will i lose rockbox and my flac too?
08:00:44	scorche	yes
08:00:55	scorche	(to the second question)
08:01:06	natemic	hm
08:01:27	natemic	would rolling back the ipod updater help?
08:02:12	scorche	is the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file visible in explorer?
08:03:00	natemic	yeah
08:04:25	scorche	hrm...i am sorry, but i am not all that familiar with the ipods...if you wait, i am sure that someone else more knowledgeable about those units will come along and help you further
08:06:46	natemic	alright, thanks
08:07:03	scorche	it sounds like something happened with the bootloader, however i am not sure...just for completeness's sake, have you dl-ed a new version of rockbox and overwrote the old one?
08:09:33	midkay	did you try just reinstalling the bootloader?
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08:09:54	TheLostSoul	hey
08:11:17	natemic	um, i downloaded the new rockbox files
08:11:25	natemic	and just replaced the old ones that are on the ipod
08:12:04	midkay	what about reinstalling the bootloader?
08:12:09	midkay	since it's not appearing for some reason..
08:12:42	midkay	it sounds like your iPod entered the powered-off deep-sleep mode and when it restored the bootloader was gone for some reason.. weirdness, but a bootloader reinstall is better than a complete wipe, i'd say..
08:12:53	natemic	well, my friend did that all in the first place (if you are talking about the slightly complicated process of entering the little lines and shit when you first install it) and i have no clue how to do it
08:12:59	natemic	will i be able to keep my music?
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08:14:08	scorche	midkay: yeah...what i was thinking...weird...just wanted another opinion =)
08:14:27	midkay	sure, it's just a bootloader reinstall.. may seem complicated but in the end it's just entering lines and shit as you pointed out. :)
08:14:37	natemic	all i wanted to do is listen to idioteque in flac through some grados i found before i got to bed
08:14:38	midkay	yeah, yeah, scorche .. you just wish you thought of it first. :)
08:14:46	natemic	and now im up at 215 doing this
08:14:47	scorche	did too!
08:14:53	midkay	did not!!!
08:15:04	scorche	it sounds like something happened with the bootloader
08:15:07	scorche	ha!
08:15:23	midkay	something happened 'with' the bootloader? that and i see no suggestion of a reinstall!!!!!!!
08:15:36	scorche	i was getting there...
08:15:50	scorche	ok....thats it..move the discussion to messenger!
08:16:04	midkay	haha.
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08:21:04	scorche	on a side note, is it just me or has sharpe not been in here recently?
08:21:43	scorche	i think we should call animal control...
08:22:05	midkay	hahaha.
08:22:06	scorche	start putting up signs
08:22:08	midkay	he went away for a week.
08:22:09	scorche	LOST DOG
08:22:13	midkay	hahaha.
08:22:39	midkay	WRINKLY AS HELL - NO REWARD - ANSWERS TO 'SHAR PEI' OR 'IDIOT'
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08:23:28	midkay	jk btw.
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10:55:24	juxtap	i got a usb/ac charger for my ipod (which is completely flat), how do i bypass that reboot cycle so i can charge it?
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11:07:10	midkay	juxtap, right after resetting, hold select+play.
11:07:23	midkay	you'll be in disk mode where you can charge without reboots.
11:08:02	amiconn	It's also possible to charge within rockbox, but charging this way is slow
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11:18:04	dongs	orly
11:18:08	dongs	selecT+play eh
11:18:39	dongs	not working
11:18:52	dongs	just says OK to disconnect
11:21:55	midkay	yeah?... that's disk mode.
11:22:11	midkay	you then plug it in. do you know how to do that?
11:22:31	dongs	yea
11:22:34	dongs	and it doesnt charge.
11:22:40	midkay	in fact it does.
11:22:40	dongs	last time i did that i woke up to battery at 5%
11:22:46	dongs	the battery doesnt blink.
11:22:52	dongs	and it just says OK TO DISCONNECT
11:22:53	midkay	sigh, whatever.
11:23:13	dongs	im charging it from standby powered usb port
11:24:18	midkay	'standby powered'..
11:24:21	dongs	yeah.
11:24:23	dongs	ever heard of thaT?
11:24:26	midkay	sounds relatively useless as far as charging.
11:24:39	dongs	any modern board will have 5v on backplane usb ports
11:24:45	dongs	even while power is off
11:25:08	midkay	whatever..
11:25:29	dongs	this charges in apple firmware
11:25:32	dongs	fails in rockbox
11:25:37	dongs	but its ok i'l jsut charge while rockbox is running.
11:25:38	dongs	does same thing
11:25:52	midkay	okay, dongs.
11:26:28	dongs	is that allright with you sir?
11:27:04	midkay	if it stops your typing, sure.
11:27:12	dongs	so much hate
11:27:32	midkay	so much ignorance.
11:34:59	amiconn	bbl
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14:36:24	nls_web	Is it OK if I close RockBlox related tasks on Flyspray as invalid?
14:36:46	amiconn	I think so
14:37:25	nls_web	Ok I will do that
14:37:59	*	amiconn has a tweaked tetrox. No level limit and smooth, continuous speed increase
14:38:38	nls_web	Add it as an option :)
14:38:41	dionoea	hi
14:38:44	nls_web	hui
14:39:05	amiconn	lo
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14:45:06	theprodukkt	hi
14:45:11	Jungti1234	:)
14:45:40	Jungti1234	Why are they close-lipped?
14:45:59	Jungti1234	I want to receive your welcome.... :)
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14:48:32	Nico_P	amiconn: could you add the possibility to start at a greater speed in tetrox ? i find it depressingly slow when i start playin...
14:49:28	amiconn	Yes.
14:49:53	amiconn	As I have it now, it starts at a slighly higher speed than cvs tetrox,
14:50:00	amiconn	but slower than rockblox
14:50:30	Nico_P	rockblox's start speed was pretty good
14:50:43	amiconn	Imho rockblox was too fast
14:51:19	theprodukkt	where can i download new wps'S?
14:51:29	Nico_P	maybe making it an option would be good
14:52:11	Genre9mp3	theprodukkt: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/
14:52:12	PaulJam	http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/index.html or look on misticriver.net
14:52:23	Jungti1234	hehe
14:52:38	theprodukkt	thx
14:52:54	Genre9mp3	link-wars
14:53:13	Jungti1234	hey
14:53:23	Jungti1234	Who operates http:// www.rockbox-themes.org/?
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14:53:49	Genre9mp3	RedBreva does I think
14:53:53	Jungti1234	hmm
14:54:29	Jungti1234	They recorded wrongly that my WPS is other person's WPS.
14:54:43	theprodukkt	is it bad for the lcd to use only some colors (like red?)
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14:58:17	gopp	does rockbox support .wmv
14:58:24	gopp	err .wav
14:58:30	Jungti1234	hehe
14:58:34	gopp	I can't seem to get this wav files to load
14:58:56	Jungti1234	wav support
14:59:02	PaulJam	wav should be supported
14:59:47	Jungti1234	not support?
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15:00:09	gopp	on ipodmini
15:00:11	gopp	hmm
15:00:22	theprodukkt	is there somewhere in the world wide net a binary of the uisimulator?
15:00:34	gopp	usnet
15:00:49	PaulJam	compile it yourself :P
15:01:02	Jungti1234	I misunderstood that Rockbox supports it..
15:01:28	theprodukkt	is it possible on windows?
15:01:44	theprodukkt	Jungti1234: rockbox supports .wav files
15:01:44	PaulJam	Jungti1234: rockbox supports wav (at least on softwarecodec targets)
15:01:51	Jungti1234	ah?
15:01:58	Jungti1234	[21:59:00] <PaulJam> wav should be supported
15:02:04	Jungti1234	what's mean?
15:02:46	theprodukkt	it means that it supports to 99,9%?
15:02:52	theprodukkt	^^ is that right translated?
15:02:54	gopp	maybe my .wav is bad
15:02:58	Jungti1234	I understood that you speak don't support it.
15:03:04	theprodukkt	lol, try to describe the word should...
15:04:11	PaulJam	Jungti1234: you are right, my statement can be interpreted wrong, sorry
15:04:38	PaulJam	english is not my primary language.
15:04:45	Jungti1234	hehe me too
15:04:58	Jungti1234	I'm korean, My English is very bad..
15:05:01	gopp	me three
15:05:07	Jungti1234	haha..
15:05:09	gopp	I'm spanish
15:05:28	gopp	hoshima
15:05:54	Jungti1234	oh..
15:05:56	Jungti1234	http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=366270&postcount=18
15:06:00	theprodukkt	maybe we should asks whos primary language in here is english ;)
15:06:03	theprodukkt	mine not ..
15:06:05	Jungti1234	It's my wps but
15:06:07	Jungti1234	http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16
15:06:21	Jungti1234	They don't speak it that is my WPS.
15:06:28	theprodukkt	do u have the win binary of uisim?
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15:07:32	PaulJam	does the win32 uisimulator still compile? i thought it isn't supported anymore.
15:08:17	obo	the SDL sim compiles under cygwin...
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15:09:12	obo	I wonder if it'll also cc via mingw?
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15:13:17	gopp	what the best remote for ipod mini for car, that works with rockbox
15:13:26	gopp	I want one of those streeting wheel things
15:13:58	PaulJam	i don't think they work (yet) with rockbox.
15:14:08	gopp	oh
15:15:21	PaulJam	the ipod port was started only a short time before the feature freeze.
15:15:59	gopp	oh so ipod port is not that old
15:16:26	theprodukkt	on windows: is there a possibility to check which process is accessing a file?
15:17:20	obo	theprodukkt: yes - check out process explorer from sysinternals.com
15:17:33	obo	or filemon - from the same site
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15:18:11	theprodukkt	tgx
15:18:17	theprodukkt	thx
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15:18:56	theprodukkt	(ive a strange problem -.- many files (mp3) are changing size to 1b... (its content is just a random letter :/)?
15:19:01	theprodukkt	thats not fine
15:19:09	theprodukkt	im loosing my music!
15:19:23	theprodukkt	chkdsk didnt help
15:19:27	PaulJam	virus?
15:19:47	obo	yeah, I seem to remember one many years ago that used to delete mp3 files...
15:20:28	theprodukkt	how can i save them?
15:20:54	theprodukkt	has it to be just today!!! tommorow im going to drive on "klassenfahrt"
15:20:58	theprodukkt	vacation with my clas
15:20:58	theprodukkt	s
15:22:11	theprodukkt	thx for the site obo, its genial!
15:22:31	theprodukkt	(sry, at least i think so)
15:22:45	theprodukkt	(already had the topic on liking things u dont know xD)
15:23:29	Jungti1234	bye
15:23:38	Jungti1234	~
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15:23:56	theprodukkt	full of hackers here... obo, badger, ...
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15:30:48	theprodukkt	if its a virus it uses the explorer
15:31:13	theprodukkt	.exew
15:31:15	theprodukkt	-w
15:32:43	theprodukkt	in filemon the process has a number after its name, like ports (example: explorer.exe:4080)
15:32:48	theprodukkt	that does that mean?
15:33:21	PaulJam	it is the process id
15:34:12	PaulJam	if for example several insances of explorer.exe are running each one has a unique process id
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15:44:07	S0ap	wholockme will tell you easily what program is locking a file
15:44:08	S0ap	http://www.dr-hoiby.com/WhoLockMe/
15:46:34	PaulJam	i think his problem is not that they get locked, but that they get modified/destroyed
15:47:06	gopp	wholockme
15:47:11	gopp	what is that
15:47:34	S0ap	there's a link
15:47:40	S0ap	can explain it better than me
15:47:50	S0ap	but PaulJam is probably right.
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15:52:05	theprodukkt	right?
15:52:08	sheppard	left
15:52:11	theprodukkt	^^
15:52:17	theprodukkt	with what is he right?
15:53:41	*	theprodukkt is scanning his computer with norton av
15:54:56	S0ap	get a better AV like Avast or NOD32
15:55:09	theprodukkt	dont know them -.-
15:55:27	S0ap	first is free, second is better, but has a 30 day trial for free.
15:56:03	theprodukkt	thx ill look for them
15:56:10	theprodukkt	in which points they're better?
15:56:43	S0ap	faster, better detection, less resource hungry
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16:55:01	amiconn	Hansmaulwurf: The calendar plugin is in the official builds, however, it's archos recorder only
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17:12:32	juxtap	holding select+play doesn't stop the reboot cycle
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17:25:22	Ribs	juxtap: is your ipod constantly rebooting?
17:26:56	juxtap	yeah (when i try charge it on a flat battery with usb/ac)
17:27:16	Ribs	without charging it, it's opkay?
17:27:18	Ribs	-p
17:28:05	Ribs	I'm asking, as my old iPod died after I unplugged it from the computer
17:28:13	Ribs	just kept rebooting until the battery went flat
17:28:17	juxtap	yeah
17:28:19	juxtap	hmm, weird
17:28:21	Ribs	and I was getting odd click from the hard drive
17:28:24	Ribs	clicks*
17:28:46	juxtap	no −− i just wanna be able to charge it without a pc nearby
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18:07:51	funky	hi there
18:08:08	funky	is av out supported in rockbox ?
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18:10:19	linuxstb	funky: No
18:10:50	funky	linuxstb: ok, do you know if there is any plan to do it ?
18:11:34	funky	would be a nice feature, convert the ipod into a divx player
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18:12:40	uski	mo0 ! :)
18:13:20	linuxstb	That would require video support first... "Just" enabling the AV-Out on the ipods requires reverse-engineering the Apple firmware to work out how it works. Some people in IPL have talked about working on that, but I don't think they've made any progress yet. I'm not aware of any Rockbox people working on it.
18:14:24	juxtap	anyone got a solution to my problem?
18:17:25	linuxstb	juxtap: I would do what midkay suggested earlier - use SELECT+PLAY to force your ipod into disk mode, and charge from there.
18:17:49	juxtap	doesn't work.
18:18:12	linuxstb	What happens?
18:18:14	juxtap	how do you suppose i force it into disk mode if the battery is dead?
18:18:26	linuxstb	You say it constantly reboots - so as it reboots, enter disk mode.
18:18:56	funky	linuxstb: ok, thanks
18:20:54	juxtap	oh cool it's working
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19:18:52	Slasheri	just testing the new tagcache with full auto update feature.. seems to be still little crashy :D
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19:52:53	Bagder	mrh figured out the signing of the mi4 files
19:53:00	Bagder	DSA
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19:55:55	linuxstb	\o/
19:56:20	linuxstb	Mr h seems a useful person to have around...
19:56:27	Bagder	heck yes
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19:56:40	Bagder	I'm quite amazed
19:57:11	linuxstb	So you're ready to try to install a modified firmware on the sansa?
19:57:34	Bagder	yes, I think I'm gonna be able to do a test shot really soon
19:58:09	dionoea	do you guys always have a way to fall back to previous firmware when doing these tests ?
19:58:15	dionoea	or did you already loose some players ?
19:58:34	Bagder	we don't know really so there's a risk that I'll get a paper weight
19:58:40	dionoea	:)
19:59:04	Bagder	but I intend to test with just a very simple mod at first to just verify the upgrade procedure
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20:02:23	dionoea	how do you get "debug" output when runing these tests ?
20:02:33	dionoea	i guess that you don't have lcd output or filewriting available
20:02:33	Bagder	we don't
20:03:17	Bagder	this is gonna be binary: it either works or it does not
20:04:03	dionoea	do you have some oscilloscopes and voltmeters every where to check how the different chips react ?
20:04:18	Bagder	I don't see any reason to
20:04:30	Bagder	we're not in that stage of porting
20:04:36	dionoea	ok :)
20:04:43	Bagder	we're just dealing with the file format and how to upgrade to our own image
20:04:59	Bagder	we haven't yet started to try to actually code anything
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20:42:55	theprodukkt	hi
20:43:09	theprodukkt	wrong channel i know, but need with photoshop
20:43:22	theprodukkt	ive about 10 files opened in photosgop
20:43:48	theprodukkt	i want them all to merge to a specific size and save them in 1 folder as bmp
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20:51:38	sheppard	woops
20:51:39	sheppard	wrong chan
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20:56:43	obo	forum spam :(
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21:08:56	S0ap	what obo?
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21:09:40	obo	latest post in the general forum
21:10:07	S0ap	the "how do I get an avatar"
21:10:18	S0ap	one? (dang the " is too close to the Enter)
21:10:46	PaulJam	it contains a lot of links
21:10:50	S0ap	yea
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21:18:23	Landus	Anyone alive?
21:18:57	Landus	Guess not.
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21:34:46	*	theprodukkt needs help with rockbox
21:34:50	theprodukkt	anyone here?
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21:39:18	Landus	i AM.
21:39:24	Landus	Dunno if I can help.
21:39:29	Landus	Ugh, bloody caps lock.
21:40:28	theprodukkt	well
21:40:40	theprodukkt	i just uploaded 4000 mp3 to my iriver h320
21:41:00	Landus	Okay?
21:41:32	Landus	Not seeing the problem.
21:41:33	theprodukkt	when using the filetree i tried to add all files (directory music) by holding the nav key and then adding it to playlist, but then commes a fast error (so fast that i cant read) and the files arent added
21:42:29	Landus	Well, in the next few days when I get my h320 in the mail and get accustomed to Rockbox, I'll see if I can help you out with that problem.
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21:42:57	Landus	Though, if I had to take a guess, there's a chance you may be putting DRM mp3's on the DAP.
21:43:13	Landus	Rockbox doeesn't have DRM support. Dunno if it would cause an error, though.
21:43:15	theprodukkt	dont think so
21:43:21	PaulJam	there is no DRM system for .mp3
21:43:26	theprodukkt	^^
21:43:31	Landus	Oh.
21:43:53	Landus	There ends my potential solutions.
21:44:00	theprodukkt	PaulJam: can u help me?
21:44:20	PaulJam	could be hard if you can't read the error
21:44:53	theprodukkt	ill try
21:44:57	theprodukkt	2 catch it
21:45:07	Landus	It's a long shot and might be time consuming, but could to try putting each mp3 on at a time?
21:45:12	Landus	Or ten on at a time?
21:45:36	Landus	Or if the filenames are set up neatly, an entire artist at once?
21:45:40	PaulJam	but you could try to create the playlist by entering the directory where your music is and then enter the menu and select: "Playlist Optionen" => " Erstelle Playlist"
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21:47:08	theprodukkt	how do i enter the menu?
21:47:12	PaulJam	a-b
21:47:24	PaulJam	(short press)
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21:47:41	theprodukkt	works
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21:48:01	theprodukkt	but there are missing 8 files
21:48:10	theprodukkt	maybe on of them had drm and crashed it?
21:48:13	theprodukkt	ill check it
21:49:38	theprodukkt	could a file that rockbox cant read be the matter?
21:49:44	theprodukkt	like .scn?
21:49:51	theprodukkt	or should he just skip them?
21:49:59	PaulJam	does the playlist length exceed the value given in "Grundeinstellungen" => "System" => "Grenzwerte" => "Max Playlist-Länge"?
21:50:12	theprodukkt	i set it to 5000
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21:51:43	PaulJam	i dont think rockbox opens the files while creating the playlist.
21:51:58	theprodukkt	think so 2
21:52:05	Landus	In theory, I doesn't make sense for it to.
21:52:15	Landus	it, rather.
21:52:18	theprodukkt	but he checks the ending dont he?
21:52:39	theprodukkt	does rockbox support wma/mid files?
21:53:03	PaulJam	someone is working on .wma
21:53:38	theprodukkt	what does Verzeichniss rekursiv durchsuchen do?
21:54:00	S0ap	there are .wma's on the filesharing networks that have been renamed .mp3
21:54:34	theprodukkt	is there a possibility to clear the playlist?
21:54:36	PaulJam	There is a plugin for midi files. in order to use it you need to download some patchset-file but the plugin isn't very good imo.
21:54:36	Landus	Then they wouldn't play.
21:54:58	Landus	If .wma files had their extensions changed to .mp3 without being converted.
21:55:36	Landus	The file would still be encoded as .wma and the .mp3 decoder trying to read the file wouldn't be able to understand it.
21:55:44	S0ap	they wouldn't play on rockbox, but winamp/WMP would play them.
21:55:45	theprodukkt	^^ pg xD
21:55:46	PaulJam	"verzeichnisse rekursiv hinzufägen" should be enabled, or it will only add the files that are directly in the selected folder
21:55:55	theprodukkt	thats the matter xD
21:55:55	Landus	No, they wouldn't.
21:55:56	theprodukkt	thx
21:56:05	S0ap	Landus - yes, they do. I just did it.
21:56:16	Landus	Then they weren't renamed.
21:56:19	Landus	They were converted.
21:56:25	S0ap	I just renamed one.
21:56:51	Landus	Then whatever software you used to play the file still recognized the file as a .wma.
21:56:59	S0ap	exactly what I said.
21:56:59	Landus	And used a .wma decoder.
21:57:13	S0ap	[2006-07-09 15:57:52] <S0ap> they wouldn't play on rockbox, but winamp/WMP would play them.
21:57:23	theprodukkt	do u know a possibility to create the playlist from a dir (not saving it, just loading the playlist) (because when i use add to playlist the old files are still there)
21:57:44	*	theprodukkt asks himself if u can understand his question
21:57:44	Landus	Because whatever you used didn't use the encoder for the file you changed the extension for.
21:57:56	S0ap	exactly, Landus.
21:58:01	Landus	What you said isn't much different than putting a CD and trying to play it in a record player.
21:58:02	PaulJam	theprodukkt: try to stop playback before creating the playlist
21:58:03	Landus	It won't work.
21:58:27	theprodukkt	thx
21:58:37	theprodukkt	now i remember: the playlist exists only during playing
21:58:41	theprodukkt	was already said here
21:58:43	S0ap	my point being, if he downloaded .wma files reNAMED .mp3, winamp, WMP, etc would still play them as they treat you with kid gloves.
21:58:44	theprodukkt	ok thx guys
21:58:47	theprodukkt	ill go sleeping
21:59:05	*	theprodukkt hat morgen klassenfahrt (und 2x 100watt rms boxen + verst�rker :))
21:59:13	theprodukkt	sry 4 german
21:59:16	theprodukkt	bye bye
21:59:17	S0ap	so he wouldn't know they were really wma files until he tried them on rockbox.
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21:59:25	Landus	While that seems to be true, who would want to do that?
21:59:47	S0ap	as I said, the filesharing networks are full of corrupt files that have had this done to them.
21:59:55	Landus	Uh.
22:00
22:00:00	Landus	Don't use filesharing networks?
22:00:15	S0ap	did I suggest using them?
22:00:22	Landus	Yes.
22:00:29	S0ap	what?
22:00:41	Landus	You did. Not directly.
22:00:46	S0ap	no I didn't
22:00:49	Landus	You implied the use of one.
22:00:59	S0ap	?
22:01:01	S0ap	where?
22:01:14	Landus	<S0ap> my point being, if he downloaded .wma files reNAMED .mp3, winamp, WMP, etc would still play them as they treat you with kid gloves.
22:01:31	S0ap	I offered this situation as a theory to explain theprodukkt's evidence
22:01:44	Landus	<S0ap> there are .wma's on the filesharing networks that have been renamed .mp3
22:01:57	S0ap	and those quotes are me suggesting he use FS networks?
22:02:14	Landus	<S0ap> and those quotes are me suggesting he use FS networks?
22:02:23	Landus	<S0ap> did I suggest using them?
22:02:23	Landus	<Landus> Yes.
22:02:27	S0ap	your primary language, I'll assume, isn't English.
22:02:41	Landus	It is.
22:02:41	PaulJam	one could also understand that as a warning rather than a suggestion to use it
22:03:31	S0ap	I still don't see where I _suggested_ he do anything. I speculated as to what he might have done...
22:03:38	Landus	That's suggesting.
22:03:49	S0ap	as in recomending?
22:04:07	Landus	Suggesting and reccomending can be two different things.
22:05:02	Landus	It depends on the situation.
22:05:13	Landus	nstat
22:05:21	Landus	Blech. Wrong window.
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22:34:07	theprodukkt	hi
22:34:08	theprodukkt	im back
22:34:12	theprodukkt	with another problem
22:34:26	*	theprodukkt has just problems the last time ... :/
22:34:33	theprodukkt	this time with the wps
22:34:49	theprodukkt	the text is displaced -.-
22:35:41	PaulJam	maybe the wrong font, or the wps needs additional patches (e.g. scrolling margins, etc.)
22:35:45	theprodukkt	(btw, do u know a site where i can store my screendump temporally)
22:35:57	theprodukkt	its on most wps
22:36:12	theprodukkt	can i change the font?
22:36:17	PaulJam	have you installed the fonts pack?
22:36:22	theprodukkt	no
22:36:29	theprodukkt	never seen it :/
22:36:41	PaulJam	it can be found on the daily builds page
22:37:12	theprodukkt	thx
22:38:15	theprodukkt	in the Rockbox info theres showed the buffer size
22:38:23	theprodukkt	which buffer is it?
22:38:49	PaulJam	compressed audiodata (i think)
22:38:54	Bagder	the compressed-audio buffer
22:39:17	theprodukkt	is it the free space for the buffer
22:39:17	theprodukkt	?
22:39:27	sharpe	Bagder: i'm home! :D
22:39:30	Bagder	no, its the total size of it
22:39:58	theprodukkt	are 30mb ok?
22:40:06	Bagder	ok?
22:40:19	Bagder	ok for what?
22:40:21	theprodukkt	enough/2 much/ not enough?
22:40:23	theprodukkt	dont know
22:40:30	theprodukkt	just asked
22:40:33	Bagder	why would it be wrong?
22:40:43	theprodukkt	100kb are 2 low, nor?
22:40:50	*	Bagder shuts up
22:41:22	sharpe	what'd i miss... anyone?
22:41:29	theprodukkt	FUCK
22:41:31	theprodukkt	NOT ITALY
22:41:31	theprodukkt	!
22:41:34	Bagder	sharpe: the twiki takedown
22:41:39	theprodukkt	sry for the ****
22:41:42	Bagder	due to another hack
22:41:46	Galois	france deserved it after that headbutt
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22:41:58	sheppard	italllllllllllllllllly!
22:42:03	theprodukkt	where can i download the voice files?
22:42:04	sharpe	oh...
22:42:20	Bagder	watch TV if you care, do not echo it here
22:43:41	sharpe	ahh, good ole #rockbox...
22:43:44	theprodukkt	is there a possibility to change the background to self chosen bmp files?
22:44:08	PaulJam	yes, read the manual
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22:46:16	theprodukkt	in the manual it just stands how to do it by using the wps
22:46:44	theprodukkt	but im looking for a solution doin it just in time on the h320
22:46:57	PaulJam	it is in the context menu for .bmp files. it has to be 220x176 and 24bit
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22:47:25	S0ap	theprodukkt is using an ipod, is he not?
22:47:48	PaulJam	put the bachdrop in .rockbox/backdrops/
22:48:03	theprodukkt	already in backdrops
22:48:07	*	theprodukkt uses the h320
22:49:11	S0ap	my bad
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23:01:31	theprodukkt	found it (trie and error :))
23:01:37	theprodukkt	but where in the manual does it stand?
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23:21:12	Bagder	http://www.olympus.co.jp/en/support/imsg/npls/download/software/mr100/
23:21:25	Bagder	can someone with windows get that exe and send me the contents it unpacks?
23:21:40	linuxstb_	Have you tried Wine? (if not, I can)
23:21:41	Bagder	its an mi4 and BL file
23:21:46	PaulJam	can't you use wine?
23:21:55	Bagder	I don't have it installed here
23:22:16	linuxstb_	OK, I'll give it a go.
23:22:24	sheppard	hmm
23:22:28	sheppard	ok then i wont
23:22:36	Bagder	thanks
23:22:41	linuxstb_	sheppard: If you have real windows, then please go ahead...
23:22:52	linuxstb_	(I'm just about to try it with wine)
23:23:32	sheppard	yeah i got real windoze on my lappy
23:24:11	lou	congratulations!
23:24:40	XavierGr	if you still want help with that file I can help
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23:25:29	sheppard	hmmm
23:25:40	sheppard	i dont have any tools to get whats in the file out
23:26:07	Bagder	doesn't it unpack them in a specific dir?
23:26:09	linuxstb_	Bagder: The installer looks for an m:robe, but before it does that, it helpfully puts everything in a temp directory... I'll upload it for you now.
23:26:16	sheppard	ah
23:26:20	Bagder	neato
23:26:22	sheppard	linuxstb_ has it
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23:28:23	Bagder	seems the h10 comes with more versions of their mi4 files
23:28:41	Bagder	as posted in the forum
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23:33:29	webguest35	.
23:33:39	sharpe	period.
23:33:46	webguest35	bah. what's up with my nickname
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23:34:06	lamed	?
23:34:11	sharpe	hmm?
23:34:14	lamed	(that's better. ) hello everyone
23:34:46	sharpe	g'day.
23:34:54	lamed	any Dev is around?
23:36:14	lamed	hmmm. I always join in way too late for them :/
23:36:35	sharpe	i'm sure one will be on sometime shortly.
23:36:53	Bagder	there are always devs around
23:36:57	linuxstb	lamed: Ask your question, and I'm sure someone will answer...
23:37:09	sharpe	i'm right. go me. yay. !
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23:42:30	lamed	hehe :) not exactly a question, I have a real nice hebrew enhancement patch somewhere... let me see, that's really nice. I'd just like to talk it over a little. What I did was moving all LANG_ strings that would be displayed using FONT_SYSFIXED font to LANG_SYSFONT_ strings. that way hebrew like any other non-latin language could be _really_ used.
23:42:41	lamed	it's right over http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5587
23:43:15	lamed	(I'll shortly update it)
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23:44:03	theprodukkt	ive buffer underruns sometimes...
23:44:07	theprodukkt	whats the matter for them?
23:44:23	sharpe	the buffer was emptied. :)
23:44:41	theprodukkt	what can i do against them?
23:44:57	sharpe	what exactly are we talking about?
23:45:07	theprodukkt	(at least i think that those little pauses in playback are buffer underruns)
23:45:39	sharpe	funny, everyone who mentions them, calls them freezes, or skips...
23:45:46	sharpe	congratulations.
23:45:48	PaulJam	how do you manage that, for me the rarely boosts at all.
23:45:48	lamed	mmm, I guess no one wants to talk about my low-level user-friendliness patches.
23:46:32	PaulJam	theprodukkt: what kind of flies are you playing?
23:46:36	theprodukkt	mp3
23:46:37	PaulJam	files
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23:47:05	Bagder	lamed: why does adding SYSFIXED solve anything?
23:47:41	Bagder	to me it seems that could be done by mentioning the sys font in the description for the phrase
23:47:56	lamed	bagder: because there you could use the english translation. otherwise, hebrew users just get squares.
23:48:39	Bagder	ok, so the actual fix for your case is that you just skipped translation a bunch of phrases?
23:49:33	lamed	well, It can't be displayed in hebrew, and we couldn't afford any other way of having non-latin fonts loaded.
23:49:57	lamed	the fix, to be accurate,
23:50:05	Bagder	I didn't say that either, I'm asking about your fix
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23:51:40	theprodukkt	ok, now i had 3 skips/freezes in the last minute... (mp3 file, 192kbps, 3:29 min)
23:51:43	theprodukkt	what can i do?
23:51:52	lamed	is because most strings, say LANG_REPEAT, will be used both in sysfont and in unicode places. the idea was to seperate those two occasions. I've discussed in the past about loading other non-latin fonts, it wasn't a very likeable idea.
23:52:35	lamed	hebrew isn't the only occasion, other languages benefit from that too.
23:52:56	theprodukkt	is it usual that the displays brightness isnt stable
23:52:57	theprodukkt	?
23:53:05	theprodukkt	(was hei�t flackern?)
23:53:33	Bagder	lamed: seems like a reasonable approach
23:53:45	*	theprodukkt feels ignored :(
23:53:58	lamed	as for now, you can't, by any means, use hebrew translation in quickscreens and recording screens.
23:55:21		Quit floody ("Távozom")
23:55:43	lamed	and it's either not using the default font at all in rockbox, because that will always make translation problems, or having different builds for every language (which isn't practical), or just seperating the two cases.
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23:57:10	theprodukkt	thx :/
23:57:31	lamed	bagder: I'm glad you agree... that's why I told you right there in the tracker to accept it!
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23:57:58	^icewind^	hi there
23:58:26	^icewind^	i want to install rockbox on my ipod, but if i click at the download link für the ipod patcher i always get "The twiki parts will be brought back soon. Please be patient."
23:58:48	^icewind^	can enybody please upload the file(s) for me, or send them to me?
23:58:52	theprodukkt	whats wrong if my display flickers?
23:59:00	PaulJam	theprodukkt: i guess no one has an idea what is wrong on your device, 192k mp3s should play fine on iriver devices.

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