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#rockbox log for 2006-07-11

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00:00:57sharpeapo`: why would windows ever not support FAT filesystems? :D
00:01:52apo`You'd have to change the FS for it to support characters like \:?<>"*/ in filenames
00:01:57apo`IMO >_>
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00:02:45MrStaticVoidwho said anything about changing fat to support those characters?
00:03:03apo`"but no one ever does anything about it."
00:03:04Mikachuyou can use unicode equivalents
00:03:15Mikachusometimes
00:03:56apo`？\\
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00:04:02apo`Eh ~_~
00:04:07Mikachusomething like that
00:04:23sharpeapo`: that was to mean, no one ever does try to implement it.
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00:05:55apo`＜＞\/:"*? Alrighty, I have the characters, now I just need some way of automagically having windows replace them when typing filenames :P
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00:06:42apo`Hm, tried it. Windows is still complaining.
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00:09:10Mikachuonly < and > are not the ascii chars there
00:10:03apo`Bah.
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02:26:01Captain_Americahey does anyone have the scroll patch
02:26:33Captain_Americafor doom
02:26:58Captain_Americai cant find it aNYWERE
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02:27:58markun_Captain_America: where did you look?
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02:28:05Captain_Americaon the site
02:28:09scorcheCaptain_America: it is in flyspray...
02:28:12Captain_Americaand in the daniel site
02:28:26markunlook in the patch tracker and search for doom
02:28:38scorchehere..since i am bored
02:28:46scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5153
02:29:02scorcheCaptain_America: next time look for it where it is supposed to be before asking ;)
02:29:20Captain_Americai did
02:29:30Captain_Americawere is it supposed to be
02:29:37Captain_Americai searched the forums
02:29:41Captain_Americaand the wiki is down
02:29:46scorcheflyspray
02:30:00Captain_Americawtf is flyspray
02:30:08markunCaptain_America: on the main site there is a 'patches' menu item..
02:30:09scorcheflyspray is where all bug reports, feature requests, and patches are
02:31:15Captain_Americawas it ever fixed for the 5g?
02:31:40scorcheread that page and you will find out...
02:32:36Captain_Americawhat is wrong with you dude seriously? if you know it is a yes or no answer so why do you have to be a dick about it
02:33:35scorcheCaptain_America: i dont see a need to answer that when i linked you to the page that says it if you read it....i am trying to show you where to go, so next time, you dont have to come to us and be able to do it yourself
02:34:20Captain_Americabut it is alot harder to type read that page and youlll find out then yes or no
02:34:29Captain_America3 letters max
02:36:10markunCaptain_America: unless he doesn't know the answer
02:36:29Captain_Americawell then its also 3 letters
02:36:31Captain_Americaidk
02:36:35markun:)
02:36:38Captain_Americahow hard would that be
02:36:55Genre9mp3Captain_America:I don't think that it will be hard to read the page as well
02:37:46Captain_Americacorrect but if he knows the answer it is easier for him to type 3 letters and me to read them than him to ridicule me and have me read it
02:38:03scorchebecause a) i am busy....b) i took the time to tell you the link, and tell you about it so you can find it for future use and so you wont have the need to have to rely on someone else for something that you should be able to do yourself
02:38:12scorcheand c) i dont have an ipod =P
02:38:31scorchein fact, you ahve to read the page anyway to find the correct version to use
02:38:52Captain_Americaok so you dont have the time to type 3 letters
02:38:54Captain_America..
02:39:05Captain_Americabut you have the time to type all that and read for yourself
02:39:13Captain_Americayou dont have a very good arguement
02:39:44scorcheno i dont, but i have the time to tell you this so that in the future, i will save myself time by not having to go through this again and have you be able to do it yourself =)
02:39:53markunscorche: just ignore him
02:40:04S0apPLOINK
02:40:08scorchemarkun: i am...just wanted to get that last bit in ;0
02:40:27Captain_Americai would know in the future just as much as i would know from reading it..
02:40:29markunAnyway, good night guys
02:40:33scorchenight
02:40:41Captain_Americaid either know yes it works or no it doesnt
02:42:09Genre9mp3Captain_America: At least he gave you the link, so you can just drop it here, no big deal
02:43:36Captain_Americawell it doesn't matter now debian 2.7z is missing
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03:21:52sharpeis there any specific reason for the chosen available cpu frequencies for the ipod videos?
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03:27:44earHertzhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5223.0
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04:19:10Vaco_Animusim tryin to do da scroll wheel patch
04:19:21Vaco_Animusim following the tutorial
04:19:30Vaco_Animusbut its not working
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04:19:47Vaco_Animusso i was wonderin if ther is a build with it built in
04:19:52 Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.")
04:20:37Paul_The_NerdWhat are your rules for choosing when to use "the" and when to use "da"?
04:21:01Captain_Americai just like to throw dem in occasionally
04:21:53Captain_Americaso is their a build with it included
04:22:05Captain_Americabecause i cant figure out how to patch
04:22:11Paul_The_NerdAh. Well, you haven't specified WHICH iPod you have, nor which scroll wheel patch you were talking about.
04:22:14Captain_Americai have a 5g btwe
04:22:19Paul_The_NerdI'd suggest simply using the "search" function in the forums.
04:22:21Captain_Americafor doom
04:22:26Captain_Americafor doom
04:22:33Captain_Americai did
04:22:47Captain_Americaall i found on the forum was for the nano
04:23:16Paul_The_NerdWell if you can't find it, either you're searching poorly, in which case you should learn to search better, or it does not exist within our forums.
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04:24:05Paul_The_NerdThough in all honesty, it's not terribly difficult to patch
04:24:16Paul_The_NerdDid you perhaps consider asking for help with whatever step is providing you difficulty?
04:24:31Vaco_Animusi am at the part were i have to do the cvs part
04:24:37Vaco_Animusretrieving the source
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04:24:55Vaco_Animusit keeps giving me errors
04:25:25Paul_The_NerdWhat operating system?
04:25:31Vaco_Animusxp
04:25:39Paul_The_NerdHave you tried simply using the VMWare image?
04:25:50Vaco_Animusimage?
04:25:56Vaco_Animusim in the program
04:26:04Paul_The_Nerd"the program" doesn't tell me much.
04:26:10Paul_The_NerdCygwin, VMware, or Colinux?
04:26:18Vaco_Animusim in the vmware program
04:26:49Paul_The_NerdAnd what is the exact error message?
04:27:52Vaco_Animuscvscvs checkout authorization fail
04:28:10Vaco_Animus*cvs
04:28:41Paul_The_NerdAre you doing the anonymous one, because you don't have a login and password.
04:28:47Paul_The_NerdAnd that's the checkout step.
04:28:52Paul_The_NerdIt sounds like you haven't logged in.
04:29:18Vaco_Animusyes ive tried using "username" "joghurtaffe" and "anonymous"
04:30:07Paul_The_NerdIn the instructions, there's an instruction for if you have a username, and a specific OTHER instruction for if you need to use the anonymous login.
04:31:12Vaco_Animus2.4 A command prompt type box should come up. Type in the following to download the CVS (source code).
04:31:15Vaco_AnimusCode:
04:31:15Vaco_Animuscvs -z3 -d:pserver:username@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel
04:31:15Vaco_AnimusIf that doesn't work above, instead of "username" type in "anonymous" (no quotes). The download will take a few minutes.
04:31:22Paul_The_Nerdcvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login
04:31:25Vaco_Animusthats what it tells me to do
04:31:38Vaco_Animusthats why
04:31:41Paul_The_NerdThen, hit enter a few times until you're back at the prompt
04:31:41Paul_The_NerdThen
04:31:41Paul_The_Nerdcvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel
04:31:53Paul_The_NerdThat step is the checkout step. You haven't done the login step
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04:33:11Vaco_Animusby rockbox login do you mean my account name
04:33:22Paul_The_NerdNo, I mean copy that line exactly
04:33:50Paul_The_NerdYou only have/use an account name if you have write access to upload files.
04:34:04Vaco_Animusok now it says gzip compression level must be between 0 and 9
04:34:21Paul_The_NerdAfter which line?
04:34:26Vaco_Animusfirst
04:34:35Paul_The_Nerdcvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login ?
04:35:35Paul_The_NerdThere's no -z in that at all.
04:36:48Vaco_Animuswhats my cvs password
04:36:54Paul_The_NerdHit enter
04:37:49Vaco_Animuswarning failer to open home/user/.cvspass for reading no such directory
04:37:54Paul_The_NerdThat's okay
04:38:17Vaco_Animusno i enter the second line
04:38:22Paul_The_NerdYou just keep hitting enter until you're back at the normal prompt again, then enter the second line yes.
04:39:49Vaco_Animusis there a space between - and devel\
04:40:05midkayis there in the documentation?
04:40:36Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: No space, and no \ after devel.
04:40:36Vaco_Animuspaul do i?
04:40:44Vaco_Animusok tky
04:41:18Vaco_Animusok now the line is blank
04:41:33Paul_The_NerdIt may be taking a second to connect. Just wait at this point
04:43:18Vaco_Animusstill nothing
04:43:47*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
04:44:13Vaco_Animuswell this sucks
04:44:28Vaco_Animuswhy hasnt anyone loaded a build with it yet for the 5g
04:44:38Paul_The_NerdI never said they hadn't.
04:45:02Vaco_Animusconnection to haxx:24401 failed
04:45:31Paul_The_NerdOdd
04:45:42Paul_The_NerdAnd your VMWare does have a working internet connection?
04:46:04Vaco_Animusyes im talking to you arent I
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04:46:30Paul_The_NerdAre you talking to me from inside the vmware program, or are you talking to me from another program on the same computer?
04:47:00Vaco_Animusanother program
04:47:16Paul_The_NerdSo, that doesn't answer the question of whether the VMWare has a working internet connection.
04:47:30Paul_The_NerdThough I don't know how to test it's working
04:47:58midkayhaha.
04:48:40scorchecan always ping from it i can imagine
04:48:42midkaydid you try rockbox.org instead of .haxx.sE?
04:49:01Paul_The_NerdHmm.
04:49:10Paul_The_NerdYeah, what I'm pasting from may be out of date on that haxx.se thing.
04:49:12Vaco_Animusyes
04:49:20midkayit is..
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04:49:28*scorche wonders why he changed his name...
04:49:33midkaydunno if .haxx.se will work.
04:49:38midkaydoubt it will anymore.
04:51:13Vaco_Animuswell if anyone gets a chance and finds a build that works and his scroll wheel built in tell me
04:51:32Vaco_Animusi dont want my clickwwheel to break over time
04:52:09midkayit'll break eventually, accept it.
04:52:51Paul_The_NerdYou could always just not play Doom on your iPod
04:53:01Vaco_Animuswell i want to have it for a little while longer
04:53:02Paul_The_NerdIt's a bloody iPod. You clearly have a computer. Enough said.
04:53:09midkayhow dare you suggest that, Paul_The_Nerd - that's the reason he installed rockbox!
04:53:12Vaco_Animusthat is the only reason i keep rockbox
04:53:19*scorche coughs
04:53:24*Paul_The_Nerd rolls his eyes.
04:53:25*midkay chuckles
04:53:45Vaco_Animusi dont like rockbox's interface what can i say
04:53:54Vaco_Animusi like doom and thats it
04:53:57Paul_The_NerdYou're clearly not the target audience then.
04:54:04Paul_The_NerdWe're more of an audiophile software.
04:54:06scorcheuh...you do know that you can change the interface right?
04:54:15Paul_The_NerdPeople who are more concerned with their player's playback functionality than its appearance.
04:54:25Vaco_Animusyou mean the tiny text
04:54:31midkaydon't bother scorche, you're getting yourself into a worse position than you know..
04:54:32Vaco_Animusi gotta poop brb
04:54:39scorche>_>
04:54:40sharpeyeah, we don't have themes implemented at all...
04:54:46sharpewhy do such a thing?
04:54:53midkayoh, GREAT.
04:54:58sharpeyes, i'm back.
04:54:59midkay*me storms back to Hammer*
04:55:15scorchemaking it not suck?
04:55:23midkaytrying my very best!
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04:58:25midkayretextured sidewalks. eh? eh?!?!
04:58:43Paul_The_Nerd?
04:58:52midkayer. @scorche.
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05:02:18Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: You around by chance?
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05:03:50Harryyo
05:04:11Harryhello
05:04:41Paul_The_NerdYes?
05:04:47Harrywats up
05:04:59Harryr the devs in here
05:05:23*Paul_The_Nerd can see that your keyboard has h, a, and e keys and wonders if they're perhaps sticky or something?
05:05:31sharpei'm going to take a stab in the dark and say, yes. the devs are in here.
05:05:39sharpesince, it's the rockbox channel...
05:05:40Paul_The_NerdThey're often around, but usually busy with other stuff too.
05:05:49Harryi got a few questions
05:06:06Paul_The_NerdGo ahead 'n ask 'em.
05:06:15Harrydoes rockbox drain the ipod videos
05:06:19sharpedevs aren't the only ones who can answer questions.
05:06:20Harrybattery fast
05:06:32Harry30 gb
05:06:36Paul_The_NerdYes
05:06:44Harryhow fast
05:06:44Paul_The_NerdThat's pretty widely discussed on the forums.
05:06:51Paul_The_NerdOh, 8 hours?
05:06:55sharpeprobably around two-thirds of your normal lifetime.
05:06:59Paul_The_NerdA lot of it depends on how you use it
05:07:02Harryhmm
05:07:04sharpeer, single charge lastage.
05:07:06Paul_The_NerdSome people play a lot of Doom and get very short battery lifes.
05:07:08Paul_The_Nerdlives
05:07:13Vaco_Animuslike me
05:07:15Harrylol
05:07:22Vaco_Animusbut i plug it in while i play
05:07:24Harrydoom that good
05:07:30Paul_The_NerdNot really, no.
05:07:31Vaco_Animusyes
05:07:34Harrylol
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05:07:38Vaco_Animusits the only reason i have it
05:07:48*scorche coughs yet again
05:07:51Harryi just bought a ipod today
05:07:56Vaco_Animusbut its good for "audiophiles"
05:08:01Vaco_AnimuswhaT KIND
05:08:05*sharpe believe scorche should have a few cough drops.
05:08:12Harryso im wonderng if i should install it
05:08:24Vaco_Animuswhat kind of ipod
05:08:28Harry30 gb black video
05:08:33Vaco_Animussame here
05:08:39Vaco_Animusmines like 6 days old
05:08:43Harrylol
05:08:50Vaco_Animusi really like it
05:09:04Harryi got mine for 300 cdn today
05:09:06Vaco_Animusi just boot in apple firmware for videos and music
05:09:14scorcheHarry: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:oJqav6LF7HgJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox+%22why+rockbox%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
05:09:15Vaco_Animusi got mine for free
05:09:18Vaco_Animusbirthday
05:09:24Harrylol
05:09:30Harrywell same as me
05:09:40Harryi got mine for bday
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05:09:46Vaco_Animusnice
05:09:48Harryvaco wats that
05:09:49Vaco_Animushappy b day
05:10:00Harryim on psp so i cant see it
05:10:06Vaco_Animuswhat?
05:10:10Harryops
05:10:14Harryscorche
05:10:19Harrywats the link
05:10:45Paul_The_NerdFeatures of Rockbox.
05:10:54Harryand when will they fix the battery issue
05:10:58Paul_The_NerdWhen it's done.
05:11:01scorcheHarry: that is a link to our wiki page "why rockbox"...you mentioned that you were wondering whether you should install it or not
05:11:06quietI just installed Rockbox on my 5g ipod video a few days ago. Ever since my file transfers to the ipod keep stalling. Any ideas???
05:11:06Harrylol
05:11:10Harryty
05:11:17Paul_The_NerdBugs get fixed when people figure out what's causing them, and figure out a good way to fix it.
05:11:22Paul_The_NerdYou can't predict a discovery.
05:11:28scorcheunfortunately, our wiki is down, so that is the google cache of it
05:11:39Harrywell wats eta on final
05:11:43Harrybuild
05:11:44Vaco_Animushow can you search the builds
05:11:52Vaco_Animusto find out which one had what
05:11:56Paul_The_NerdThere is no final build
05:12:00Paul_The_NerdAnd at the moment there's no ETA
05:12:03Vaco_Animuswithout clicking on each individual one
05:12:06Harrylol
05:12:10Paul_The_NerdWe're working on 3.0, which does not include iPods, at the moment
05:12:24Paul_The_NerdBut it's been delayed by some rather large unforseen complications. It's getting close though, I think.
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05:12:40Harrypaul u a dev
05:12:47Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: What on Earth do you mean by "Which one had what?"
05:12:50scorcheVaco_Animus: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html
05:12:53scorchelooking for that?
05:12:55scorchehave fun =P
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05:13:09Paul_The_NerdHarry: No, I'm not, but people often mistake me for one (including a few devs when they come back from being away a long time.)
05:13:19Harrylol
05:13:24Vaco_Animusclose
05:13:36Vaco_Animusi was looking for what builds have what features
05:13:49Vaco_Animusi want one that has the doom scrollwheel already on it
05:13:51Harryso will they ever do cowon a2
05:13:59scorchewell...that is a patch
05:14:19Vaco_Animusi know
05:14:27scorcheHarry: if someone with the necessary skills and motivation (and the player of course) comes forward, yes
05:14:28Harryor the creative zen vison m
05:14:36Vaco_Animusbut paul said there may or may not be a build that has it on it already
05:14:44Vaco_Animusso i dont have to patch it
05:15:03Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: So, you're talking about unofficial builds. Seeing as those aren't BY Rockbox, you're going to have to depend on whatever their authors have done to make them findable.
05:15:09Harryso is the ipods build halted currently
05:15:31Paul_The_NerdUntil the feature freeze ends, the only fixes iPods are likely to get are those that affect all targets.
05:15:41Harrydam
05:15:58scorcheHarry: all progress on the Zen Vision:M is here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0
05:16:01Vaco_Animusah this sucks
05:16:06Vaco_Animuscant patch it
05:16:08scorcheor discussion rather
05:16:08Harryso no video
05:16:15Paul_The_NerdHarry: The iPod build is less than 6 months old, considering that it's doing incredibly well.
05:16:19Vaco_Animusand i can feel my clickweel dying
05:16:21Harrylol
05:16:30Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: There is a simple solution, as I've noted. Stop playing.
05:16:35Vaco_Animusno
05:16:39Vaco_Animusnot an option
05:16:41Harrylmao doom sucks
05:16:42Paul_The_NerdThen stop complaining about it.
05:16:43scorcheVaco_Animus: you can also learn how to patch as well...
05:16:49sharpethere are computer versions of doom...
05:16:51Harrythe graphics r horrible
05:16:53Vaco_Animusim trying
05:16:55Paul_The_NerdYou make the choice to potentially damage the wheel, you lose any and all sympathy about it.
05:17:02Vaco_Animusit sucks on the computer
05:17:08sharpeit's the same game.
05:17:09Paul_The_NerdIt's identical on the computer.
05:17:13Harrylmfao
05:17:21Vaco_Animusi just like to pass my time killing mutants when i cant find mutants in my room
05:17:24Harryvaco i have it for psp
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05:17:28Harryits shit
05:17:39Vaco_Animuswell thats because psp is shit
05:17:45Harryif u want doom get a psp
05:17:46Harryno
05:17:51Vaco_Animuswhy
05:17:51scorcheVaco_Animus: this is not the area to complain...this is also not an area where people will hold your hand through everything...
05:17:53Harrypsp anit shit
05:18:01Vaco_Animusscorche
05:18:03sharpeironically, it's the exact same on the psp as it is on the ipod, and the pc.
05:18:08Harrylol scorche
05:18:12Vaco_Animusi like it better when you did not talk to me
05:18:16Harrysharpe i no
05:18:19Vaco_Animusor contribute help
05:18:20Paul_The_NerdIt's very definitely not a place to argue about the PSP.
05:18:20Harryit sucks
05:18:31Harryw/e
05:18:32Harrylol
05:18:54Harryso they wont fix the ipod battery issue
05:18:59Harryfor awhile
05:19:02scorcheHarry: in time
05:19:07sharpeHarry: just because you asked, no. :D
05:19:09Paul_The_NerdWell, YOU could fix it.
05:19:15Paul_The_NerdThe core developers will not work on it.
05:19:24Harrypaul
05:19:25Paul_The_NerdThis doesn't mean that other external devs won't say, post a patch for it.
05:19:27scorchefor now at leat
05:19:29Harryhow u fix it
05:19:30sharpewe should have a recruiting slogan.
05:19:30scorcheleast
05:19:33Vaco_Animuswow
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05:19:41Vaco_Animusthis jewel games is awesome
05:19:44Harrypaul how u fix it
05:20:04Harryis rockboy any good?
05:20:06Paul_The_NerdHarry: Is English your first language?
05:20:30Vaco_Animusits my third
05:20:49*Paul_The_Nerd wonders how "Harry" translates to "Vaco_Animus"
05:21:07Vaco_Animusharry is my name.....
05:21:48*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
05:22:19sharpethat's kind of a coincidence.
05:22:19Jungti1234hi
05:22:29*Vaco_Animus _The_Nerd sighs
05:23:49Paul_The_NerdWell, I have to be off. I've got to completely rewrite a PHP script that I adapted from a JAVA program because the client has decided his objectives have changed entirely, and I've been forbidden from introducing him to my own special brand of percussive readjustment, so I'll perhaps be back later.
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05:24:07scorcheouch...
05:28:01sharpeoh noes.
05:28:03Harrylol
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05:28:59Harryyo
05:29:09Harrywats a good case for ipod
05:29:36scorcheHarry: might wanna try asking that in #ipod ;)
05:29:48Vaco_Animusid tell you but i refuse talking to anyone who says yo
05:30:27scorcheVaco_Animus: seriously...
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05:31:06Vaco_Animusscorche: what part of please refrain from talking to me don't you understand
05:31:06*scorche reminds himself to stay out of these situations
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05:39:57Harrylmfao
05:40:04Harryvaco hello
05:40:17Harrywhats a good case?
05:44:28sharpea non-conductive one.
05:44:54scorchesharpe: <_<
05:45:02scorcheerrr..
05:45:04sharpescorche: it's true.
05:45:04scorche /msg
05:45:23Harry...
05:45:24scorchesharpe: wasnt about that
05:45:29Harryany help
05:45:55Mikachuif you were getting help you would probably know
05:46:03Harrylol
05:46:43Harryshould i get a invisable sheild
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05:47:44Harryare there any other sites to get wps
05:47:52Harrybesides rockbox
05:48:03scorcheHarry: rockbox-themes.org
05:48:08Harryty
05:48:31Harryany how do u patch builds
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05:49:48scorcheHarry: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:CjOvN2SwcwIJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches+rockbox+patching&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox-a
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05:51:39Mikachui think an invisibility shield would be more useful than an invisable sheild (sic)
05:52:15scorchebut the one wouldnt be able to see the unit
05:52:18scorchethen
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05:59:31Harryhow come theres only like 9 rockbox them
05:59:40Harryfor ipod video
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06:00:09Harryvaco
06:00:11Harryu here
06:01:07Harryhello
06:01:45sharpeever stop to think that everyone is busy at the moment?
06:03:47Jungti1234hm
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06:05:30Jungti1234Perhaps, many people who is here are busy....
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06:44:23Harry...
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07:19:15midkayi bet Vaco_Animus and dongs are blood relatives.
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07:26:18apo`[05:17:51] <scorche> Vaco_Animus: this is not the area to complain...this is also not an area where people will hold your hand through everything... < Tell that craftkid
07:26:19apo`~_~
07:27:27*apo` is _still_ pissed off because of that guy =P
07:27:34apo`< school, see you
07:28:06midkayi thought after dongs i wouldn't see another case of nobody-likes-the-guy-but-he's-still-here for a while :)
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07:30:48Jungti1234midkay
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07:31:37scorchescorche:
07:32:35Jungti1234Do you have commit permission?
07:33:47Jungti1234access permission..
07:34:47midkayyes, but i don't feel like using it.. is it important? :)
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07:36:01shriphaniguys i got the rockbox bootloader in now can you tell me where to get rockbox itself please
07:36:12scorcherockbox.org?
07:36:17scorchejust a guess >_>
07:36:26scorche=P
07:36:55shriphaniand how do i put it in my ipod ?
07:37:20midkayunzip it?
07:37:24midkayguessing again..
07:37:25shriphaniok
07:37:46shriphanii am in lin rt. now
07:37:51shriphanilinux ^
07:38:42cmugread the docs online
07:38:53shriphanii have the manual
07:39:04midkayread the part about installation..
07:39:07shriphanii got the bootloader in
07:39:11midkayspecifically: unzip a new daily build..
07:39:24shriphaniok
07:44:54Jungti1234hahaha
07:44:55Jungti1234who is qwm?
07:47:18shriphaniok i have downloaded the build and copied to the ipod root dir
07:47:39shriphanibut i dont see .rockbox or rockbox.ipod there
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07:55:15shriphanierm can you help me ?
07:57:13midkaynot if we don't know the problem.
07:57:48shriphanii mean i unzipped it and copied it to /media/sdb
07:58:10shriphanibut i still cant c /.ockbox and rockbox.ipod
07:58:27midkaythen.. it didn't unzip correctly..
07:58:43shriphaniis there a utility like that in linuuuuu ?
07:58:49shriphanilinux^
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08:01:10midkaylike.. what?
08:01:23shriphaniok it worked nowwww
08:01:28shriphanidamned keyboard
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08:02:22midkayenjoy
08:03:07shriphanishould i unzip the fonts to /.rockbox or to the ipod root dir
08:03:39midkay /.rockbox/fonts
08:03:53shriphaniok
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09:16:18CRABBATTLEI can't play Pokemon Silver. ._.
09:16:59CRABBATTLEIs anyone else playing Pokemon Silver with RockBoy?
09:18:12LinusNi haven't tried
09:18:40CRABBATTLEIt runs, but the controls make it like, unplayable. I've tried to edit them too, but it just doesn't work. I can't walk up.
09:20:42LinusNwhich player model?
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09:41:03CRABBATTLEWhat do you mean which player model?
09:41:27peturCRABBATTLE: what mp3 player are you using?
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09:51:49LinusNweird guy
09:52:02petur;)
09:52:44LinusNpetur: what's the status of the enhanced recording stuff?
09:52:58LinusNcan it record from the fm screen?
09:53:14peturno idea, don't use it
09:53:46LinusNthe fm radio or the enhanced recording?
09:53:58peturdo we want to start recording from the fm screen or jump to recording from there
09:54:11LinusNthe archos records in that screen
09:54:19peturI don't use the REP
09:55:20peturI don't see directly how to merge fm and recording on screen
09:55:38peturdoes it need gain setting, peakmeters,...
09:55:54LinusNthe radio screen has peak meters iirc
09:55:59peturhad
09:56:05LinusNah, yes
09:57:33peturthe problem is, putting rec stuff (peakmeters,..) in there will require runnning the cpu faster (now at 11MHz iirc)
09:57:41peturrunning even
09:57:43LinusNyes of course
09:57:59LinusNit has to leave the idle mode
09:58:12peturwhich is a pitty
09:58:20peturif you don't need recording
09:58:26LinusNnah, only if you enable prerecording
09:58:57peturso no peakmeters until you start recording
09:59:02LinusNah, yes
09:59:28peturmaybe it needs some key to enable recording mode
09:59:38LinusNi was thinking, isn't the level from the fm tuner fixed?
09:59:53LinusNi mean, couldn't we set a fixed gain?
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10:00:02peturmaybe....
10:00:18peturmust try that
10:00:34peturno time here, busy week :(
10:00:42LinusNi'll see what i can do
10:04:35peturLinusN: the rest of that REP should wait until after 3.0, right? (mainly AGC, extra button mappings, larger fonts)
10:05:34LinusNi want the pause and new-file buttons to work
10:05:46LinusN(don't know if they already do)
10:05:53peturforced split ?
10:05:57LinusNyes
10:06:05peturok
10:06:17LinusNlarger fonts would be nice
10:06:26LinusNbut it opens a can of worms...
10:07:18peturI think it works ok but I fear compatibility across players
10:07:25LinusNme too
10:07:34peturmost stuff is h1x0 oriented
10:07:42LinusNi think archos needs to force the system font
10:08:08peturI want a big visual recording indicator
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10:08:11LinusNi think i'll have a look this week
10:09:21peturlucky you, I've had almost no free time last weeks
10:11:23LinusNme neither
10:11:28LinusNit sucks
10:11:44LinusNi really miss rockbox hacking
10:11:52petur:)
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10:43:38amiconnLinusN: I have some ideas regarding recording and radio
10:43:51LinusNshoot
10:44:07peturwatch for the numbers ;)
10:44:12amiconnImho radio recording should work from within the fm screen
10:44:31LinusNimho too
10:44:43amiconnWe could set a fixed recording or allow level adjustment for experts (or even agc)
10:45:16amiconnBut my main idea is that recording mode shouldn't be active always while the recording screen is shown (like it is right now on archos)
10:45:39LinusNyou mean the fm screen?
10:45:45amiconnOf course it is necessary to run recording mode when prerecording is active,
10:46:22peturso how do we enable recording mode? a menu?
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10:46:40amiconnbut without it, we can leave the hardware in playback mode and peak meters disabled (and on newer targets, cpu at idle frequency) until the user actually starts recording
10:47:25*petur points to some talk about it earlier
10:47:26LinusNthe problem is how to adjust the level before recording, but i guess that's the "expert" mode then?
10:47:40amiconnThis implies a short delay until recording actually starts, but saves quite some battery time (also on archos!) while keeping the possibility of simple recording from fm screen
10:48:08amiconnOn Ondio, the MAS power requirements in recording mode are significant
10:48:14LinusNtrue
10:48:34amiconnI have some more ideas for power saving on archos
10:48:53amiconnWhile not playing anything (neither music nor voice) we should power off the dsp core
10:49:12amiconnThis could also be done during fm playback
10:49:31amiconnIt would even allow voice in the fm screen on archos (as long as we don't record)
10:53:46amiconnI think the best way to achieve this would be an extended mas driver
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10:54:49LinusNprobably
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10:55:53amiconnThe mas driver could also handle loading and configuring the pcm codec later
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10:57:26LinusNyes
10:57:57LinusNhmm, does [IDC]Dragon auto-login when we write "pcm codec"? :-)
10:58:01[IDC]Dragonhi Jens, sorry for my extended afk lately
10:58:12[IDC]Dragonno, that was coincidence
10:58:30[IDC]DragonI only peeked for active amiconn
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11:04:50midkaywell-timed, [IDC]Dragon :)
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11:07:17scorcheonly 1:20 off from amiconn!
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11:09:01malcolmhi all
11:09:30amiconn[IDC]Dragon: what's up?
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11:09:53[IDC]Dragonyou asked about the backlight
11:10:16[IDC]DragonI have the chips at hand, but dunno where the foil is
11:10:21malcolmwhy not work twiki on rockbox.org?
11:10:44LinusNa hacker attack
11:11:05LinusNand we're working on fixing the security issues before bringing it back up
11:11:13malcolmwhen it's on?
11:11:20LinusNwhen we have fixed it
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11:11:28malcolm=)
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11:11:32malcolmcool
11:11:46peturmalcolm: use the google cache feature
11:11:56malcolmok thanks
11:12:08peturand files are located: see topic
11:17:20malcolmthanks all =)
11:17:21malcolmbye
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11:20:55PaulJamis anyone else having problems with the translation of "yes" (LANG_SET_BOOL_YES) if a different language than english is selected?
11:23:37LinusNdo you?
11:25:08PaulJamyes, for me it shows "Tag-Datenbank aktualisieren" (LANG_TAGCACHE_FORCE_UPDATE) instead of "ja"
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11:26:26LinusNany patches?
11:27:33PaulJami use patches, but it also happened with a build i downloaded from the cvs builds page.
11:27:56lou(PaulJam) yes, for me it shows "Tag-Datenbank aktualisieren"
11:28:03louthat makes sense in that content though
11:30:19LinusNare you sure that your language files are up to date?
11:32:59PaulJamaren't they included in the cvs builds?
11:33:07LinusNyes they are
11:33:45LinusNbut some people tend to only extract the rockbox binary from the zip files and not update the other files, that's why i'm asking
11:34:48PaulJami have now removed the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file before copying the cvs build, and it still happens.
11:38:20LinusNi see it
11:39:20LinusNlooks like a bug in langv2
11:46:21LinusNnope, the lang files aren't synced
11:48:22LinusNmiika has renamed LANG_TAGCACHE_FORCE_UPDATE to LANG_TAGCACHE_INITIALIZE, but only in english.lang :-(
11:48:54Slasherioh.. so it would have been better to keep the old entry and create a new one..
11:49:13LinusNor not rename it, or rename them all
11:49:31Slasheritrue, i didn't think about that
11:49:50LinusNyou fix?
11:49:54Slasherii will :)
11:49:57LinusNgoodie
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12:03:50Jungti1234hey
12:04:24Jungti1234I made new Korean language file already.
12:04:49Jungti1234Again, is english.lang to be changed?
12:05:56Slasheriit has just been changed back (LANG_TAGCACHE_INITIALIZE -> LANG_TAGCACHE_FORCE_UPDATE)
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12:07:10Jungti1234then, what is bug?
12:07:22Jungti1234'yes' is wrong, what's mean?
12:08:19Slasheriit should be fixed now, please check with the latest version of the english.lang
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12:08:57Jungti1234thanks Slasheri
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12:25:18Jungti1234who is miika?
12:25:37markunJungti1234: it's Slasheri
12:25:45Jungti1234ah
12:25:48markun:)
12:25:55Jungti1234hehe..
12:26:09Jungti1234How do you know it?
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12:28:27markunYou can find it in the wiki, but not now of course
12:28:36Jungti1234:)
12:41:43apo`Morning
12:41:45apo`*yawns
12:41:49apo`Stupid school
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12:49:40apo`http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7268/compression9xe.png owned ^^
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15:22:45peturmachines can't be angry, people can
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15:23:42peturyes I see that ;)
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17:22:20Vaco_Animuswere do i put doom wads
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17:22:39Vaco_Animuswhat directory
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17:22:56markunVaco_Animus: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3471.0
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17:23:43Vaco_Animusthe twiki is down
17:23:52markunI know
17:24:28markunIt will be down until some security problems are resolved
17:24:30Vaco_Animusso it wont let me read the guide
17:24:44markunLook at the link I gave you
17:24:53Vaco_Animusi did
17:25:15linuxstbVaco_Animus: Google for the word PluginDoom and then view the cached copy of the first hit.
17:25:23Vaco_Animusok
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17:26:28louwtf cache
17:26:33loubelieve it or not
17:26:42loui didnt even know that it exsists
17:26:44lou;_;
17:26:47markun:)
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17:26:57louthats a cool feature
17:27:00linuxstbIt saved the Rockbox wiki last time it was attacked.
17:27:21linuxstb(the backups were old, so it was restored via google's cache)
17:27:29*lou goes and tries to impress some freinds with his new knowledge
17:29:16Vaco_Animusnope
17:29:20Vaco_Animusdidnt work
17:29:29Vaco_Animusit gave the same error
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17:31:33Vaco_Animuslinux
17:31:40Vaco_Animusthe cash thing didnt work
17:32:02Vaco_Animuscache
17:32:45markunVaco_Animus: works here
17:33:09Vaco_Animusthe first and second one gave me the twiki error
17:33:17Vaco_Animuscan u link me mark?
17:33:40markunI just did (private message)
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17:34:18Vaco_Animusk that worker
17:34:21Vaco_Animusworked
17:34:30amiconnMeanwhile google's cache might start caching the "twiki is down" pages...
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17:45:43Vaco_Animusah rapidshare sucks
17:45:50Vaco_Animusit won''t let me dl the file
17:49:35linuxstbWhat file?
17:50:45Vaco_Animusthe wad packs
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19:54:34uwe2Hi! What do you think of the following idea: I usually have rockbox set to "resume playback after power on", but as my iPod turns on if I disconnect from USB, it happened that I forgot to turn it off. So it played until the batteries were empty. :-( I added a "useraway" timeout which switches the unit off after a sepecified time after the last user interaction. After startup, it is 60 seconds only and after the first key press it is o
19:54:34uwe2of course only works if I adjust the volume or browse the directories after startup (which I usually do), so that the unit doesn't shutdown after one minute if the power on was no mistake.
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19:57:20uwe2This concept handles three situations: (1) Forgetting to switch unit off after USB disconnect. (2) Switching unit on after one presses a button by mistake when the unit is in its case and carrying around the unit. (3) Forgotten to set the sleep timer, listening to music before sleeping.
19:57:54oboI don't see how it would work for #3
19:59:01uwe2It would switch off after one hour and not play back until the batteries are empty (I usually listen to a long list of audiobooks, long enough to make the batteries empty).
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20:00:03uwe2So generally one would set a timeout useraway_timeout_startup and one useraway_timeout, which can both be 0 of course to switch it off.
20:00:30linuxstbuwe2: I think your first paragraph got cut short - it ends with "after the first key press it is". So what happens after the first keypress?
20:03:28uwe2Nice. :) Opera cut my message into two and transmit other strings as it shows to me. I see the first which ends with "...after the first key press it is one hour. This" and the second I think you already read ("of course...").
20:05:11uwe2And why does it show uwe2 to you? That was Opera's default name, but I changed it to "breaker" and it also tells me that I am now "breaker"?!
20:05:50LinusNbetter switch to a better irc client, i suggest xchat
20:06:28uski(yea xchat is good :P)
20:06:39uski(BTW, hi everybody)
20:08:18uwe2I'm using windows here, anyone suggesting a freeware irc client for that? ;)
20:08:39uskixchat :P
20:08:44uskithere are windows builds
20:08:46PaulJamthere exists a freeware wwversion of xchat for win
20:08:56LinusNhttp://www.silverex.org/news/
20:09:06uskidon't take the shareware version of xchat, some idiot made a shareware of it
20:09:28LinusNi wouldn't call him idiot
20:09:35sharpeuski: the shareware version of xchat for windows is the 'offical' version of xchat.
20:09:51uskisharpe: i know but it is very controversial in the xchat team
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20:20:19Vaco_Animushey can you have doom1 and doom 2 on your ipod
20:20:45Vaco_Animusor is it either or?
20:21:10linuxstbYou can have both - you select the game in the startup menu. (the first menu that appears when Doom starts)
20:21:11sharpetell me this, can you have doom one and two on your computer?
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20:21:48Vaco_Animuswell its not a computer...its an ipod
20:21:54Vaco_Animusand thank you linux
20:22:06sharpetechnically, it's still the same basic components as a computer. :)
20:22:40Vaco_Animusand i put the extra wads in in e;/games/doom/addons/
20:22:52sharpefor the addons
20:23:01sharpefor other wads, just in /games/doom
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20:23:18sharpeother as in, doom versions and such.
20:23:34Vaco_Animusaddons are the other wads i thought
20:23:39Vaco_Animuslike mortal kombat
20:23:45sharpeyes, those are addons.
20:24:03Vaco_Animusok
20:24:14Vaco_Animusand those are the correct loactions?
20:24:18sharpethe original wads, eg. doom1.wad, doom2.wad, etc. would be in games/doom
20:25:00sharpeyep...
20:25:11Vaco_Animusthank you
20:25:48sharpeanytime.
20:25:56aguyis there a webpage about rockbox file support?
20:27:04sharpeaguy: audio formats?
20:27:30aguyaudio and video
20:27:46PaulJamno video support
20:27:49sharpefor the most part; rockbox does not support video.
20:28:01aguyohh ok
20:28:07sharpeon the archoses (?) the .rvf format could be used...
20:28:27borges__there is an overview page, but the wiki is down...
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20:28:54aguyyeah ive searched and searched.....what about ipod linux?
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20:33:50sharpeglad we could help.
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20:35:39Vaco_Animusso do all wads work ?
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20:37:13linuxstbVaco_Animus: No
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20:37:45Vaco_Animushey is doom 2 better graphically then freedoom
20:37:56Vaco_Animusfreedoom kinda blows graphically
20:38:47breakerI now switched to "Nettalk" as IRC client. It seems to work for me and is freeware...
20:39:05Vaco_Animushmm
20:39:16Vaco_Animusis there an irc client that works on dictation
20:39:21Vaco_Animuslike i talk it types
20:40:23Vaco_Animusdoom 1 is a lot prettier the freedoom
20:40:31sharpeyou could probably use dictation software with just an irc client...
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20:40:51breakerSo, no one having an opinion on my useraway feature. ;-) Is it better to post such "long" questions in the mailinglist or forum?
20:40:51Vaco_Animusi meant one that has it built in
20:40:54Vaco_Animuslike office
20:41:04sharpeVaco_Animus: not that i know of.
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20:42:04LinusNbreaker: my opinion is that it is a feature with very limited use, and is really a workaround for the lack of proper USB mode in rockbox
20:42:24Vaco_Animusi hearf you can can change the do not disconnect image
20:42:26Vaco_Animushow?
20:44:09breakerLinusN: BTW, where is it implemented that the unit switches on after USB disconnect? In ROM of the iPod? On which players does it behave the same way (turning on)?
20:44:34linuxstbVaco_Animus: That's in the main part of the Apple firmware which you can hack using ipodwizard - nothing to do with Rockbox (and a different USB screen to the one Rockbox reboots into).
20:44:42LinusNipod is a special case, on all other targets, the USB mode is handled by rockbox
20:45:10borges__which audio format drains the batteries least on a rockboxed ipod nano? i guess wav and mp3?
20:45:11LinusNand all other targets turn on rockbox after being in the bootloader usb mode
20:45:49LinusNwav eats battery, since it accesses the disk a lot
20:45:55LinusNi'd say mp3
20:46:03linuxstbBut isn't "disk" cheaper on a Nano?
20:46:07LinusNah, nano...
20:46:16lowlightLinusN: are you familiar with the text viewer plugin?
20:46:24LinusNlowlight: not very
20:46:24borges__i see. what about vbr vs. cbr? and does the bitrate affect the battery drain?
20:46:42Vaco_Animuswhat else can ipod wizard do
20:47:01linuxstblowlight: I think markun might be the person to talk to - he committed the changes (but didn't actually write the patch) around the code you found the problem with. (assuming you're still talking about the same bug as last week).
20:47:34linuxstbVaco_Animus: http://www.ipodwizard.net/
20:48:20lowlightlinuxstb: yeah same bug. I think it's from not setting the draw_columns variable before trying to do the "silent" draw.
20:49:32amiconnborges__: Bitrate seems to have only little effect on power drain
20:49:42linuxstbborges__: Have you looked at the IpodRuntime wiki page?
20:50:02amiconnmp3 is currently a power drainer on ipod, due to lesss optimisation
20:50:38borges__the wiki seems to have problems at the moment.
20:50:50borges__amiconn: so would you suggest another format?
20:50:59amiconnOn nano, disk access shouldn't matter that much, so I think one of the low-complex codecs will yield the longest runtimes, even if the bitrate is somewhat higher
20:51:14amiconnflac or shorten, perhaps
20:51:16linuxstbborges__: Just google for the word IpodRuntime and view the cached version of the page (it's the first hit).
20:51:18borges__(thing being, i'm going on vacation where the'll be no electricity to charge)
20:51:26borges__ah, good idea, thx
20:51:48linuxstbBut there only seems to be two runtime tests performed for the Nano - both Ogg vorbis...
20:53:42amiconnlinuxstb: Do you know whether apple_os.bin is encrypted?
20:54:07linuxstbIt's not, no.
20:54:22linuxstbBut the parts of the firmware written to flash are encrypted.
20:54:33amiconnSo it should be possible to feed id through obdump for disassembly, hmm...
20:54:45amiconn*it
20:55:41amiconnToo bad objdump can't autodetect the difference between code and data
20:57:13linuxstbborges__: It hurts me to say it, but if you need extreme battery life, you are probably better of using the apple firmware at the moment on an ipod.
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21:00:31borges__hm. i see
21:01:15borges__still, flac is said to be very efficient on decoding
21:07:36breakerI looked into the ipodwizard tutorial http://www.ipodwizard.net/wiki/index.php/Tutorials. It seems that one can only change fonts, strings and so on. You cannot change the "power on after USB disconnect".
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21:10:44breakerBut it talks of a deep sleep feature. The iPod turns into deep sleep after 36 hours inactivity and then takes longer to boot. I assume rockbox always starts completely? Maybe it would save a little battery when one switches the "always go to deep sleep" option on over ipodwizard?
21:12:21breakerAnother question: Why is rockbox more battery consuming than apple os? Is it only because the CPU is mostly in full speed (75 MHz) becauso of non optimized decoding? I cannot believe that apple has optimized the decoder so good that they can run them mostly at 30 MHz?!
21:16:36breakerWhy is the max Frequency 75 MHz in rockbox? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_iPod says it's 80 MHz. Is this wrong or rockbox setting the wrong max frequency?
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21:24:52markunbreaker: I believe that the max frequency depends on the version of the portalplayer chip
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21:28:07earHertzbreaker: do we really boost cpu that often?
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21:29:46earHertzbreaker: 80 is the top cpu speed in the portal player spec, 75 is what rockbox uses. It's not "wrong", it's a choice.
21:30:39breakerif you use no equalizer, I'd say we boost it at least 50% of the time. If you set 5 bands of the eq, the cpu is not fast enough for playing usual 128 kbps mp3s. I therefore set my EQ to use only the first and last band, change the lowest band higher (200 Hz) and the highest band lower (10000 Hz) so that I have a "bass/treble" function and then the cpu is fast enough. But it is boosted I think > 90% of the time then.
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21:31:43dionoeahello
21:31:58breakerwelcome.
21:32:36sharpehey dionoea.
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21:34:44breakerearHertz: So why don't we use 80 MHz? We would have less skips (in the case the cpu is just fast enough to decode it) and it wouldn't consume more battery, because the CPU would be less time in that fast mode. Or am I wrong here?
21:36:08earHertzbreaker: that I don't know. I suspect it's because either (or both) apple use and ipodlinux use 75.
21:36:49sharpebreaker: the cpu doesn't stay at a constant speed while decoding audio (normally), it boosts when it needs to.
21:36:53breakerI tested it: without EQ, my iPod 5G is 2,5 sec in 30 MHz and 4 sec in 70 MHz with a 256 kbps mp3 file (CBR). So 62% high speed.
21:37:56breakersharpe: Yes, I know. But my theory is that it wouldn't consume more power and we have a little bit less skips.
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21:38:56sharpei can safely say, i've never experienced any skips while playing any kind of mp3.
21:39:47sharpewith the exception as to when i'm doing something that is prone to audio skipping.
21:40:22breakerHm, but then again I remember that running a CPU in double the speed it consumes 4 times more power, isn't there this dependency? Can we set the CPU also to a third setting? (30 / 55 / 80), depending on additional buffer thresholds?
21:40:50breakersharpe: You didn't turn on the EQ, did you? ;-)
21:41:00sharpei don't use the EQ.
21:42:15breakerMaybe there is potential in changing the EQ code?
21:42:56sharpeif you want to optimize it, go right ahead.
21:43:26linuxstbThere is probably potential everywhere in the ipod code at the moment. We're also only using one CPU (but using the second will decrease battery life even more, so I'm personally not that keen on it).
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21:43:52bluebrotherSlasheri, are you in?
21:44:15bluebrothermay I point you to FS #5466?
21:44:22breakerIf the runtime tests are done without EQ, why is rockbox more battery consuming then? Only because of non-optimized decoder? Does anyone know if there are other things that rockbox doesn't consider (I remember the "turn off harddisk completely" feature on the Archos, which I don't find in iPod settings).
21:45:32linuxstbConsidering there are no hardware specs, I'm sure there is a lot of hardware power management we're not doing optimally.
21:45:33breakerlinuxstb: Is the second CPU the "video" (I think the iPod has one?) cpu or because of the "dual core" cpu (the second core)?
21:45:59linuxstbAll the portalplayer chips (and hence all the ipods) have two ARM CPU cores.
21:46:02sharpebreaker: you're thinking of the broadcom chip; it is not part of the processor.
21:46:08linuxstbThe ipod video also has a video DSP.
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21:46:24linuxstb(the Broadcom chip - as sharpe said)
21:46:29breakeryes, I have a 5G == video.
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21:47:08sharpeand in case you ask later on, there is no public datasheets on the broadcom chip.
21:47:27sharpehrm... should be 'are' instead of 'is'.
21:47:35linuxstbRockbox is ignoring the Broadcom chip at the moment. Again, no hardware specs, and it's also a lot of work for only one target - anything we do for the portalplayer chip will benefit all ipods.
21:48:05linuxstb(plus potentially other players like the Sansa and iriver H10 which also have a PP chip).
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21:48:44breaker:) But if the calculation (2x CPU frequency -> 4x power) is correct, two cores with e.g. 40 MHz will consume half the power of one core at 80 MHz!!
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21:49:38breakersharpe: The broadcom chip is for what?
21:49:40linuxstbWhere do you get that calculation from?
21:49:58sharpeas linuxstb said, it is the video dsp.
21:50:34linuxstbThe Apple firmware sub-contracts video playback to it.
21:50:50breakerah, I understood that every iPod has a broadcom for whatever and the 5G a video DSP additionally.
21:50:54linuxstbI think it's also a general-purpose CPU like the portalplayer, but has video DSP extensions.
21:51:17markunbreaker: on the iriver (68k based) your calculation is not true at least
21:51:26linuxstbNo - all ipods have portalplayer. 5g has both portalplayer and broadcom.
21:51:46markunbreaker: google for IriverBattery and view the cache
21:51:47linuxstbThe next generation of ipods will have neither.
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21:52:03breakermarkun: Why?
21:52:21breakermarkun: not "google..." :)
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21:52:43breakermarkun: why isn't the calculation correct for iriver?
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21:53:08linuxstbbreaker: Do what markun suggested :) It lists the current draw measured at different CPU frequencies.
21:53:27markunCPU idle 48 MHz -> 58 mA, CPU idle 120 MHz -> 81 mA
21:53:46markunDecoding (CPU 48 MHz) -> 74 mA, Decoding (CPU 120 MHz) -> 115 mA
21:54:59sharpeby your statistic, at 96 Mhz, it should be drawing 232mA... which it doesn't...
21:55:14markunwell, maybe it's not enough info to conclude that 2x CPU frequency -> 4x power is not true
21:55:36sharpemaybe it's a statistic for a different architecture.
21:55:37markunsharpe: there are also other things beside the CPU that draw current
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21:55:51sharpemarkun: yes, i know...
21:56:02breakerWhat am I doing wrong, googling on iriverbattery I get this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MoreRecentChanges?skin=print and what do I do next?
21:56:26linuxstbClick on the word "Cached" next to the green URL
21:56:49markunIs the wiki back online!?
21:57:04linuxstb\o/
21:57:07*linuxstb spots a wiki....
21:57:09markunbreaker: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBattery
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21:58:07agneomg
21:58:10agnethe wiki is upp
21:58:10agne:D
21:58:43breakerlinuxstb: I don't have a green url and no string "cached" in the whole text. The link from markun worked.
21:59:17sharpebreaker: the twiki used to be offline, and google caches were the only way of accessing them.
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21:59:41markunbreaker: yes, just forget about the cache
21:59:43linuxstbbreaker: Your google must be different to my google (which happens...). But it's not a problem now our Wiki is working again.
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22:00:48markunwiki is down again..
22:00:57*LinusN is working on it
22:01:04markunLinusN: thanks
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22:33:45sharpewebguest10: may we help you?
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22:34:09sharpefifth time.
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22:35:12markunwebguest10: problems?
22:35:46webguest10Yes I had, with my browser. Seems to be fixed.
22:37:38sharpewell then; may we help you today? :)
22:38:21webguest10May I introduce myself. My name is chris and I am a newbie to Rockbox. I own an IPOD 5g and want to start with developing with rockbox.
22:38:44*petur is not used to all this friendly talk in the channel
22:39:51markunwebguest10: well, welcome then
22:39:53sharpepetur: i'm usually friendly...
22:40:00markunCan you program in C?
22:40:08peturwebguest10, did you bring the portalplayer docs with you? ;)
22:40:14sharpeIf so; you can help!
22:40:31webguest10Since I own a Win system I installed vmware on it as described in the wiki. Tried to get the sources with anonymous login from the site. The answer I get is rejected access doe somebody has an explanation?
22:41:08webguest10markun: Yes I do. In fact I am working for a company developing embedded systems
22:41:17markunnice
22:41:24sharpewonderful.
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22:41:43webguest10petut:
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22:42:04markunThen, do you know ARM assembly language as well?
22:42:23kergothto quote erikm, arm assembly reads like poetry
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22:42:30webguest10petur: sorry for the last. I am sorry I do not have these docs. I have only access to the docs of sigmatel.
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22:43:04webguest10markun: Sorry no assembler for ARM only 68k and some minor insights to PPC.
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22:44:26webguest10Some information about the failed anonymous access available here?
22:44:50lowlightmarkun: I have a question about viewer.c (one of your commits)
22:45:12sharpearen't there two steps, one of which you only have to do once? i've not visited that specific wiki page in a long time...
22:45:29markunlowlight: phaedrus wrote the code, but I haven't seen him in a long time
22:45:57Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Actually, you only do the login once, AND you only do the co once.
22:46:13sharpewell, i stand corrected.
22:46:22Paul_The_NerdOnce you've both logged in, and checked out, you should only really need to do "cvs update -dP" or whatever your personal preference for the update line is.
22:46:51Paul_The_NerdIf you don't co rockbox-devel, you may need to do like "cvs co bootloader" or such to get the other bits.
22:47:39webguest10I tried to login as well as co but I always get the reject and the hint I shall try a real password...
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22:48:29webguest10LinusN: Something wrong with anonymous access to cvs?
22:48:58lowlightmarkun: ok. It introduced a bug causing an endless loop if the first character in the file is a space or return.
22:49:17LinusNwebguest10: not that i know of
22:49:17lowlightI'll file a bug report with my fix (I'm not sure if its right though).
22:49:19Paul_The_Nerdwebguest10: What's your anonymous login line?
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22:50:49webguest10Paul: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous [at] www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login
22:51:55Paul_The_NerdAnd what error do you get?
22:52:57webguest10Paul: cvs login:authorization failed: server www.rockbox.org rejected access to /cvsroot/rockbox for user anonymous. Tried again, no change.
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22:56:56Paul_The_NerdI dunno
22:56:56_steven_based on the faq, rockbox doesn't yet support any of the newer iriver models like t10, h10, etc, am I right?
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22:57:32Paul_The_NerdIndeed
22:57:33Bagdercorrect
22:57:58_steven_ok, guess I'll have to look at ipods, then :)
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22:59:20webguest10Paul: Thanks
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22:59:39Paul_The_Nerdwebguest10: I'm already logged in anonymously, and have no problems with downloads, at least. =/
22:59:52Paul_The_Nerd_steven_: You could also track down an older iRiver model, or look at the X5
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23:00:26_steven_Paul_The_Nerd: thanks, will check it out
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23:04:34webguest10Paul: Is there something I missed? Tried to ping and traceroute rockbox.org and everything is fine.
23:05:16Paul_The_Nerdwebguest10: Maybe it doesn't like you? I really don't know, heh.
23:05:43webguest10Paul: Thanks for your help.
23:06:05 Quit james (Client Quit)
23:06:07Paul_The_NerdSorry I can't do more.
23:06:41LinusNwebguest10: firewall?
23:07:14webguest10LinusN: Yes but opened prot 2401 for incoming and outgoing traffic.
23:07:41webguest10LinusN: I will disable the firewall and give it a new check.
23:08:25webguest10LinusN: No change.
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23:09:44LinusNjust tried, works for me
23:10:03LinusNwhat do you use as the password? it should be empty
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23:16:42gopphey
23:16:56goppone question, is thier a rocbox supported dap, that has 120 gigs or 200 gigs
23:17:19webguest10LinusN: password is empty. But I forgot there is a hardware firewall down in the cellar.... It is pretty new and I have to check the settings.
23:17:36sharpegopp: could you possibly have that much music?
23:17:44Paul_The_Nerdgopp: You can put a 120gig HD in some of the Archoses that are supported
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23:18:26goppoh but nothing as small as an ipod or third party
23:18:30gopparchoses, which model
23:18:43goppI just want to have enough space for audio books
23:18:45Paul_The_NerdThey don't MAKE 120gig 1.8" drives, which those all use.
23:18:47goppwhich tend to use up space
23:18:59goppthe biggest is 60 gig then
23:19:23Paul_The_NerdAudiobooks at decent quality should be less than half a gig per, still.
23:19:35goppsure
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23:19:39goppand I have lots of them
23:19:55gopplike audio lecutres of stephen hawkins or feyman physic
23:20:07goppnot only music
23:21:01Paul_The_NerdWell, as I said, the Archoses can be modified, since they use 2.5" drives, but due to the nature of their USB hardware, you don't want a drive larger than 128 gigs.
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23:21:42goppoh
23:21:45goppso true
23:21:51goppusb 2.0 will slow down
23:22:01webguest10LinusN, Paul: Thanks for today. Go to bed. Bye
23:22:06goppso is that the theory why most ipods / dap are up to 60 gig
23:22:26Paul_The_NerdNo, the ATA bridge they use apparently can't see bast 128gigs, so it'll overwrite files on a drive larger than that, or something.
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23:22:52Bagderright, nothing to do with usb 2.0
23:22:53Paul_The_Nerdgopp: As I said earlier in this very conversations, the iPods only go up to 60gigs, because they only make drives their size up to 60 gigs so far. Well 80 now.
23:22:54goppoh that logical
23:23:24goppoh but one day will see a 120 gig, with proper techonlogy for it support
23:23:34goppwill we, I guess we will I am a simpelton when it comes to this
23:23:35goppsorry
23:24:04Paul_The_NerdBagder: Is the wiki up or not? If I go to a specific page it's there, if I click the Wiki link on rockbox.org I get access forbidden.
23:24:18BagderLinusN is working on it
23:24:19LinusNthat's intentional
23:24:21Paul_The_NerdOkay
23:24:41goppthanks Paul_The_Nerd
23:24:45Paul_The_Nerdgopp: The smaller you make the disk, the less maximum space it has, because it's physically smaller.
23:25:03Paul_The_NerdSo, by definition, smaller players will always have less space than bigger ones *can* have, if they're made right.
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23:46:03goppoh that make sense
23:46:36sharpeafter twenty-two minutes, sure. :)
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23:54:40panthar*rubs eyes*
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23:54:54pantharAm I imagining things,or was I just reading things in the wiki....
23:55:21sharpeyou were.
23:55:28Bagderand we have a mi4code version with dsa signing
23:55:42pantharFunky
23:55:45pantharI was just reading the docs.
23:55:50pantharNow they died again
23:56:23BagderI'll try it on my sansa after around the 23rd
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