| 00:00:23 | linuxstb_ | I would point you to the FAQ, but the wiki's down... |
| 00:00:37 | EbErT | ok, did it, i got confused.. |
| 00:00:57 | EbErT | any developements on tagcache in the past 2 weeks? |
| 00:01:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Read the changelog... |
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| 00:03:45 | EbErT | just thought u might know if there was any big stuff |
| 00:03:52 | EbErT | sry |
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| 00:16:36 | La_PaRCa | Hey guys, I am trying to get the bootloader for my ipod but cant. Where can I get it? |
| 00:16:48 | petur | anybody knows why in backlight.c backlight_set_timeout() the index is set to 0 if an illegal value is passed? that effectively turns off backlight, which is not ok on some players like my h340 :/ |
| 00:17:06 | petur | La_PaRCa: see topic |
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| 00:25:48 | petur | this backlight stuff in some plugins sucks |
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| 00:26:42 | earHertz | petur: to indicate to users and coders that the code is incorrect |
| 00:27:11 | midgey34 | petur: sometimes, if you hit a button at the exact moment the backlight goes off, the action occurs with the screen off |
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| 00:27:38 | midgey34 | I've been smitten by that in solitaire too often |
| 00:28:11 | earHertz | midgey34: smitten means to get a crush on or to fall in love |
| 00:28:22 | midgey34 | I knew I used that wrong... |
| 00:28:29 | petur | I'm checking a patch from Massa and it causes backlight to go off. This should *never* be allowed on h3x0 as the only thing you can do is reboot :/ |
| 00:28:39 | midgey34 | I always says smited as a joke, but I know thats not right either |
| 00:28:53 | earHertz | smited means hit or struck |
| 00:29:05 | earHertz | so it's not too far wrong |
| 00:29:21 | earHertz | petur: ifdef |
| 00:30:11 | petur | not sure if the function isn't called somewhere to force backlight off... |
| 00:30:18 | petur | bleh |
| 00:30:56 | petur | don't have much time so I try to look at something simple for a quickie, always turns out to be a can of worms |
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| 00:37:57 | earHertz | I tried to get a quickie once. ended up having to get a divorce |
| 00:40:04 | La_PaRCa | Ok, I just installed rockbox and cant see my songs! |
| 00:40:21 | petur | enable tagcache |
| 00:40:43 | petur | or copy them on your ipod in a proper way |
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| 00:42:06 | La_PaRCa | petur, thanks... there it goes |
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| 00:47:15 | EbErT | dangit! tagcache works for every noobie but me.. |
| 00:47:25 | EbErT | stupid tag |
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| 00:49:42 | petur | isn't backlight_timeout supposed to be the index in the backlight value array? Mine has value 96 :( |
| 00:53:22 | petur | nevermind |
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| 00:53:52 | petur | mixing a patched version with a cvs plugin is not good |
| 00:54:01 | * | petur slaps forehead |
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| 01:09:47 | petur | amiconn? |
| 01:10:01 | Unimatrix0 | anyone here familiar with how to install rockbox on a 5g ipod? |
| 01:10:13 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 01:10:47 | petur | Unimatrix0: google for the instructions and use the google cache. for the files: see topic |
| 01:10:50 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:11:26 | Unimatrix0 | :o thanks, i missed that, lol |
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| 01:22:10 | linuxstb | Or read the manual for the install instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 01:22:33 | linuxstb | (but the links won't work - as petur said, see the topic, and look in the IpodInstallation folder) |
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| 01:25:39 | S0ap | I don't know if anyone here is a member of the Digital Archive Project, but they (5-6 years ago) had a problem with people failing to read documentation before asking silly questions in IRC or forums. |
| 01:26:38 | S0ap | So now, you must sign in blood that you have read all the docs before getting forum access, and if you go to their website: http://www.dapcentral.org/ you'll see how serious they are about refusing to answer "not-good" questions. |
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| 01:31:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | What would you do if they didn't read the docs? I mean, your choices are "get rid of them" "ignore them" or "tell them to read the docs", the latter being essentially what we already do. |
| 01:32:34 | S0ap | I wasn't suggesting any change, I just love their big bold "READ THE FAQ" when you hit the homepage. |
| 01:34:04 | S0ap | They get ignored quicker than they do here, but that's neither-here-nor-there, different communities have different personalities, I honestly didn't mean to suggest one way is better than the other, just wasting pixels... |
| 01:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nah, it's okay. I'm up for new ideas, of course, but I kinda think we should be among the "nicer" projects. |
| 01:35:59 | S0ap | Maybe make the job of being nice a qualifying task for official "expert" status...make them spend 3 months on noobie duty. |
| 01:36:01 | S0ap | :) |
| 01:37:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, right now part of the qualifications I look into for picking an expert is how willing they are to deal with annoying users, and when they do tell someone off, how they go about it. |
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| 01:58:11 | webguest13 | when i start doom my ipod get a eror "doom wad missing" what shoud i do....ipod 2g |
| 01:58:53 | linuxstb | Install the WADs? |
| 01:59:06 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 01:59:14 | * | linuxstb apologises :) |
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| 01:59:47 | BHSPitMonkey | for what? :P |
| 01:59:47 | webguest13 | i try but witch patch shoud i intsall? |
| 01:59:51 | linuxstb | The wiki is down, but google's cached page is here: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:g-I6P3s6iyQJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom+plugindoom&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox |
| 01:59:57 | linuxstb | (instructions for doom) |
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| 02:00:20 | webguest13 | The Rockbox Wiki is not yet online. Please be patient, we are working on it. |
| 02:00:26 | webguest13 | The Rockbox Wiki is not yet online. Please be patient, we are working on it. |
| 02:00:37 | XavierGr | yes we know ;p |
| 02:01:12 | XavierGr | http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/PluginDoom/ |
| 02:01:18 | linuxstb | webguest13: Don't click on any links in that page - just scroll down. |
| 02:01:32 | linuxstb | (and XavierGr has just pointed you to a copy of all the files you need) |
| 02:01:59 | XavierGr | when you get the files copy them in /games/doom/ |
| 02:02:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | We should host a copy of freedoom, since it's GPLed anyway, so people don't need any commercial wads at all. |
| 02:02:10 | XavierGr | or something similar I am not sure |
| 02:02:39 | S0ap | The EvilDead.wad was always my favorite addon, it was...groovy. |
| 02:02:46 | webguest13 | i dont have any game map on my ipod... all game are in a map cald rocks |
| 02:03:47 | La_PaRCa | Um... Just installed rockbox on my ipod |
| 02:03:58 | La_PaRCa | now I am browsing the files but it wont play anything |
| 02:04:40 | La_PaRCa | When I pick a song it just stays there paused |
| 02:05:11 | webguest13 | DAP stands for? |
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| 02:06:30 | XavierGr | digital audio player |
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| 02:07:12 | linuxstb | La_PaRCa: What kind of files are they? |
| 02:07:35 | koRn | hi is there a tutorial on installing jblackglass |
| 02:07:44 | La_PaRCa | linuxstb, nevemind, I rebooted and it worked. Now I am wondering if there is a way to play all mi songs? |
| 02:08:54 | koRn | because i have no idea how to install all of this stuff |
| 02:10:45 | linuxstb | La_PaRCa: One way is to press MENU, then playlist options, then "create playlist". That will create a playlist called root.m3u containing all your music which you can then select to play all your songs. |
| 02:10:46 | webguest13 | where shoud i put the wad file? |
| 02:11:09 | linuxstb | Where those instructions I pointed you to say. |
| 02:12:27 | XavierGr | [03:01] <XavierGr> when you get the files copy them in /games/doom/ |
| 02:12:52 | koRn | linux |
| 02:13:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: If you need help installing the jblackglass build, ask on his thread. |
| 02:14:21 | XavierGr | these side builds are getting annoying :p |
| 02:14:28 | koRn | ok i will i was just wondering if hew had a guide to walk me through it |
| 02:15:18 | linuxstb | No. |
| 02:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think the most annoying thing is that some people just don't know what's in official Rockbox and what's not. |
| 02:17:12 | koRn | do i have to patch rockbox |
| 02:17:18 | koRn | or is their a build with it |
| 02:17:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also the phrase "Well, I'm using one patch, but it SHOULDN'T cause that sort of bug" as an excuse not to try the CVS build. |
| 02:17:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Read the forum thread. |
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| 02:17:41 | koRn | there are so many |
| 02:17:49 | koRn | i cany find which |
| 02:17:52 | koRn | im searching now |
| 02:18:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you tried typing "jblackglass" into the search box in the forums? |
| 02:18:50 | koRn | thats what i just did |
| 02:19:06 | koRn | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/patches/ |
| 02:19:12 | koRn | which is the build |
| 02:19:25 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points out that those files are not at rockbox.org |
| 02:19:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, for stuff that's not ours, you need to ask in the thread |
| 02:21:27 | koRn | ok |
| 02:21:39 | koRn | and how do i accsess my songs in rockbox |
| 02:21:50 | koRn | i hold menu and sopmething pops up |
| 02:21:51 | XavierGr | select them |
| 02:22:01 | koRn | how |
| 02:22:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You find the song, and click on it with the center button. |
| 02:22:15 | koRn | were is the song |
| 02:22:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | When you hold menu, you get a menu... which isn't necessary to play songs. |
| 02:22:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where have you put them on your iPod? |
| 02:22:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | The songs are wherever they are... |
| 02:22:34 | koRn | i dragged them into itunes |
| 02:22:56 | XavierGr | no don't use itunes |
| 02:23:16 | XavierGr | have you installed rockbox? |
| 02:23:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, iTunes renames them and hides them |
| 02:23:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you're going to need to use the TagCache feature, explained in the manual |
| 02:23:52 | XavierGr | iTunes is EVIL!!! |
| 02:24:08 | XavierGr | I still can't understand who is the idiot behind this abomination |
| 02:24:25 | XavierGr | why rename the files with such random names? |
| 02:24:27 | XavierGr | it isn |
| 02:24:37 | linuxstb | To reduce the memory footprint of the database. |
| 02:24:53 | XavierGr | still it sounds stupid to me |
| 02:24:55 | linuxstb | And given that Apple doesn't provide a file browser, it's not an issue. |
| 02:25:07 | XavierGr | another stupidity of retail OS |
| 02:25:11 | linuxstb | And you don't have any right to want to copy files back to your computer... |
| 02:25:18 | XavierGr | hahaha\ |
| 02:25:24 | XavierGr | that's a good one |
| 02:25:35 | XavierGr | straight for the Golden Quotes! :D |
| 02:25:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like how the Sansa prevents you from copying files back to your computer. |
| 02:25:53 | XavierGr | it does? |
| 02:25:55 | XavierGr | how? |
| 02:26:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you transfer them over in MTP mode, and then switch it to UMS mode, it marks all the ones transferred via MTP as "Hidden" |
| 02:26:19 | XavierGr | haha |
| 02:26:33 | linuxstb | Does it keep the filenames though? |
| 02:26:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 02:26:37 | XavierGr | so if you select to see hidden files you can see them? |
| 02:26:56 | linuxstb | That would still prevent 90% of users from copying them though. |
| 02:27:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, if you have "Show hidden files" you aren't prevented in any way from copying them. Though I assume DRMed files won't play. |
| 02:27:06 | earHertz | the memory footprint part is klegitimate; I have some song filenames > 300 characters |
| 02:27:09 | XavierGr | and linuxstb if it was only for memory reasons why not rename all the files with just a number? |
| 02:27:35 | XavierGr | 300 characters? |
| 02:27:49 | XavierGr | you can't have more than 250 characters on a filename |
| 02:27:53 | XavierGr | at least for FAT |
| 02:27:56 | earHertz | XavierGr: good point, thiough having seperate dirs does make sense: the fileystem dir pages can be completely filled |
| 02:28:09 | earHertz | XavierGr: NTFS |
| 02:28:36 | XavierGr | wow you have deep direcroty structure |
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| 02:30:34 | * | linuxstb was bored and found the longest filename in his music directory to be 191 characters... |
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| 02:36:46 | koRn | can someone link me to the experimental builds section |
| 02:37:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | What experimental builds section? |
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| 02:37:16 | earHertz | koRn: PATCHES? |
| 02:37:47 | S0ap | longest path: \Lenny Bruce - 2004 - Let The Buyer Beware (Disc 1) (When The Good Road Is Closed, The Bad Road Will Never Be Open)\07 - Introduction To The Palladium Annie Ross What Was I Talking About.mp3 |
| 02:37:50 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: we get signal |
| 02:37:53 | koRn | no i heard there was a section that had builds that are patched |
| 02:38:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Section of what? |
| 02:38:15 | koRn | of rockbox.org |
| 02:38:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are occasional forum threads where people post their patched builds. |
| 02:38:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is no official section. |
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| 02:38:31 | koRn | sigh |
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| 02:38:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | What? |
| 02:38:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Signal? |
| 02:38:50 | XavierGr | why use a modded build anyway? |
| 02:38:55 | earHertz | main screen turn on |
| 02:38:55 | koRn | i want to get this build but i cant find it anywere |
| 02:39:00 | XavierGr | most of them are unstable |
| 02:39:06 | koRn | and patching is far beyond me |
| 02:39:13 | koRn | i heard this one is great |
| 02:39:26 | S0ap | this one? |
| 02:39:59 | koRn | jblackglass the one pie julius made that has jblackglass build in |
| 02:40:06 | koRn | and i think the doom scroll patch |
| 02:40:16 | koRn | both of which i want but i cant patch |
| 02:40:17 | S0ap | there is a massive thread on jblackglass on the forums |
| 02:40:19 | earHertz | koRn: all your base are belong to us |
| 02:40:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Aaah. Hehehe. |
| 02:40:25 | S0ap | including sub-builds |
| 02:40:38 | koRn | i cant find it |
| 02:40:41 | koRn | i searched |
| 02:40:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the *second* link when you search for jblackglass |
| 02:40:53 | earHertz | koRn: you can get those builds from julius's web site |
| 02:40:55 | S0ap | search for blackglass - returns plenty of hits here. |
| 02:41:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heck, the only reason it's not the first link is because the first one is the original thread before I moved it. |
| 02:41:19 | koRn | i cant tell which one on his site is it |
| 02:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then ask in the thread |
| 02:41:29 | S0ap | you'd have to read the thread |
| 02:41:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I've told you several times. |
| 02:41:33 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: howabout a subforum for builds? |
| 02:41:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: We'd rather not encourage them, honestly. |
| 02:42:01 | S0ap | wouldn't stop the questions, I bet. |
| 02:42:07 | earHertz | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
| 02:42:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | There was a period where we got a *lot* of erroneous bug reports because of them. |
| 02:42:18 | earHertz | good point |
| 02:42:44 | koRn | ear i already looked on that page |
| 02:42:49 | koRn | i dont know what to dl |
| 02:42:49 | earHertz | But if people found teh build url in teh thread, the thread could include instructiosn to report bugs only in that thread' |
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| 02:43:09 | koRn | and paul: i need to install it now because i wont be able to tomorrow |
| 02:43:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Well, it's not our software, so this is the wrong place to ask regardless. |
| 02:43:27 | S0ap | koRn - If you read the thread, and still have questions, ask them in the thread, as it is not official... |
| 02:43:41 | S0ap | you need food, water, shelter. |
| 02:43:43 | earHertz | koRn: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/themes/ |
| 02:43:51 | webguest13 | where can i donwload prBoom version 2.2.6 |
| 02:44:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Out of curiosity, why are you asking that here? |
| 02:44:10 | earHertz | webguest13: google for it? |
| 02:44:16 | XavierGr | hehehe |
| 02:44:17 | koRn | those are themes not builds |
| 02:44:21 | XavierGr | this is getting interesting |
| 02:44:21 | webguest13 | :( |
| 02:44:43 | S0ap | koRn - jblackglass is a theme w/requires his custom build, instructions are in the forum thread. |
| 02:44:49 | S0ap | detailed instructions |
| 02:44:49 | earHertz | koRn: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/ |
| 02:44:56 | S0ap | with plenty of answered questions. |
| 02:44:58 | koRn | ear |
| 02:45:05 | koRn | youve llinked tat thrice |
| 02:45:06 | earHertz | and don't ask me to hold it for you when you pee, ok? |
| 02:45:18 | XavierGr | LOL |
| 02:45:21 | earHertz | CLICK THE LINK! |
| 02:45:22 | koRn | and every time i told you i dont know what to dl |
| 02:45:27 | koRn | I DID |
| 02:45:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Well figure it out |
| 02:45:37 | koRn | see paul |
| 02:45:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: How many of those even have the word "build" in their name? |
| 02:45:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | READ |
| 02:45:45 | earHertz | koRn: I can;t tell you becauae I DON'T KNOW WHAT IPOD YOU OWN |
| 02:45:53 | koRn | you tell me if i try theyd help |
| 02:45:56 | koRn | and i have tried |
| 02:46:01 | koRn | and i told you i have a 5g |
| 02:46:08 | XavierGr | 30GB or 60? |
| 02:46:14 | S0ap | koRn - you haven' |
| 02:46:15 | earHertz | korn how big is its disk? |
| 02:46:22 | koRn | 30 |
| 02:46:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: You have not tried. You refuse to ask in the thread, and you refuse to even READ the filenames. |
| 02:46:37 | S0ap | t stopped typing long enough since your first question to lead any of us to believe you have read the forum thread. |
| 02:46:37 | earHertz | koRn: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060630-ipodvideo.zip |
| 02:46:41 | XavierGr | http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060630-ipodvideo.zip |
| 02:46:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: If you read the filenames and applied the most miniscule amount of logic you could figure it out. |
| 02:46:49 | koRn | i told you i cant wait for a thread reply |
| 02:46:55 | koRn | i need to do it for tomorrow |
| 02:46:56 | S0ap | Do so, and if you have a specific problem after reading the thread PM me. |
| 02:46:59 | earHertz | koRn: 's a busy man |
| 02:47:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: You CHOOSE not to wait. You don't have to have it installed. You don't HAVE to have that theme. |
| 02:47:21 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: he'll be executed a dawn tomorrow if he doesn't have it inmstalled |
| 02:47:27 | XavierGr | koRn: just unzip it in your ipods root |
| 02:47:28 | koRn | because you keep typing back to me |
| 02:47:32 | | Join buzzard [0] (n=4851b6c4@labb.contactor.se) |
| 02:47:33 | earHertz | How can you be so callous, Pa |
| 02:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Meanwhile, you once more want help for something that's not ours. |
| 02:47:37 | sharpe | evening everyone. |
| 02:47:38 | earHertz | How can you be so callous, Paul_The_Nerd |
| 02:47:48 | S0ap | you don't need to reply |
| 02:47:48 | S0ap | [2006-07-12 20:47:33] <koRn> ear |
| 02:47:48 | S0ap | [2006-07-12 20:47:40] <koRn> youve llinked tat thrice |
| 02:47:51 | buzzard | good evning sharp |
| 02:47:58 | S0ap | your could read |
| 02:48:05 | koRn | because he is linking me to the same pages |
| 02:48:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Because I've dealt with him before, and I've had enough of it. |
| 02:48:11 | koRn | ear linked me to it |
| 02:48:12 | earHertz | actually, that build has a COUPLE of my patches, so I don't mind pimping it |
| 02:48:26 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: er, I was being sarcastic |
| 02:48:26 | S0ap | read the forum thread, or ploink |
| 02:48:33 | koRn | does jbuild have the doom patch |
| 02:48:42 | earHertz | −−−−> Paul_The_Nerd: he'll be executed a dawn tomorrow if he doesn't have it inmstalled |
| 02:48:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: If you'd just read the filename, it's pretty clear only three of the files there were builds, and only two were for video, and only ONE didn't say 64mb. SIMPLE logic. |
| 02:48:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Oh, I missed the first bit. |
| 02:48:58 | buzzard | hey guys can anyone tell me the best format to get music from that has great quality |
| 02:48:59 | XavierGr | ah so this is the famous guy that wants everything inhis plate? |
| 02:49:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: Captain_America, and some other name too. |
| 02:49:15 | XavierGr | yes |
| 02:49:16 | earHertz | koRn: it does. Kill a nazi or a radioaric emonster or whatever for me |
| 02:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: Ogg/Vorbis. |
| 02:49:29 | earHertz | buzzard: flac |
| 02:49:30 | buzzard | ahh |
| 02:49:32 | S0ap | buzzard - EAC to rip, lame APS or FLAC to encode. I bet you can't ABX APS to FLAC 99% of the time. |
| 02:49:33 | linuxstb | buzzard: Your local CD shop |
| 02:49:36 | webguest13 | i dont find PrBoom version 2.2.6 can some one help !!!! |
| 02:49:44 | koRn | ok and last question and ill be gone |
| 02:49:52 | sharpe | linuxstb: psch, who shops anymore... :D |
| 02:49:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Why are you asking here? |
| 02:49:56 | koRn | do i install this build just like rockbox |
| 02:49:56 | S0ap | webguest13 google "PrBoom version 2.26" |
| 02:49:59 | S0ap | it's the first hit. |
| 02:49:59 | earHertz | koRn: stick around, we enjoy your company |
| 02:50:07 | koRn | and do i need to remove this one first |
| 02:50:08 | buzzard | can anyone suggest any good converter software |
| 02:50:16 | koRn | im sorry ear i don't return the favor |
| 02:50:17 | S0ap | koRn -Instructions are in the thread |
| 02:50:23 | koRn | although you have been pleasent |
| 02:50:27 | S0ap | like 10 times they are repeated in the thread. |
| 02:50:29 | earHertz | webguest13: http://prboom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:50:31 | webguest13 | i think all here is smarter then me and can help me |
| 02:50:51 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 02:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: But prboom != Rockbox |
| 02:51:07 | earHertz | I measn, jesus, I can't find a job,. I can write arrm asembly and java and everthing in between, but I can't get a job.. so I muight as well do google seraches for demanding kids, right? |
| 02:51:14 | S0ap | buzzard - EAC will batch encode w/most encoders. |
| 02:51:23 | S0ap | and batch tag |
| 02:51:26 | S0ap | and batch filename |
| 02:51:34 | buzzard | i c thanks alot soap |
| 02:51:38 | S0ap | just make sure you use "Secure Mode" |
| 02:51:46 | | Join shof515 [0] (n=shof515@h-67-101-152-33.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 02:52:00 | S0ap | www.ubernet.org if you need EAC help, they are anal as all get out, but do it right. |
| 02:52:16 | shof515 | hello..i wonder if there is a last.fm feature for rockbox for the iriver players |
| 02:52:28 | earHertz | shof515: there is |
| 02:52:37 | koRn | ear can you tell me if i have to install this like the bootloader or do i have yto do a diffferent method so i dont have to read through the 14 pages |
| 02:52:40 | S0ap | audioscrobbler |
| 02:52:55 | S0ap | you must read koRn - for ALL your questions will be answered. |
| 02:53:01 | earHertz | koRn: have youinstalled rockbox before? |
| 02:53:03 | JdGordon | shof515: there is a patch for it, |
| 02:53:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: You've been told there are installation instructions in the thread. Try reading more than the first post. |
| 02:53:10 | shof515 | how do i set that up....just install the rockbox on my iriver? |
| 02:53:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: He has. |
| 02:53:23 | buzzard | soap eac is a software to rip from cds |
| 02:53:24 | koRn | im on the fourth page |
| 02:53:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | shof515: The official version doesn't have it yet. |
| 02:53:29 | koRn | and yes i have it on |
| 02:53:34 | earHertz | shof515: you need to compile after adding the patch to the source |
| 02:53:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | shof515: Which iRiver do you have? |
| 02:53:42 | shof515 | h320 |
| 02:53:43 | buzzard | i already music from other sited |
| 02:53:47 | buzzard | sites |
| 02:53:49 | earHertz | koRn: then just unzip julius's zip file onto your ipod |
| 02:53:54 | buzzard | and want to make them better quality |
| 02:54:01 | koRn | thats all? |
| 02:54:01 | buzzard | to here a great sound |
| 02:54:06 | koRn | thank you ear |
| 02:54:09 | S0ap | buzzard - you can't improve the quality be reencoding |
| 02:54:13 | earHertz | buzzard: you really can't, if they are already mp3s |
| 02:54:26 | earHertz | koRn: enjoy |
| 02:54:36 | buzzard | ohh i see |
| 02:54:43 | S0ap | buzzard - lossy encoded files reencoded (even to a superior) lossy encoded = nastY |
| 02:54:47 | koRn | so right to E;/ |
| 02:54:51 | XavierGr | for the prdoom. Download the zip for windows and then copy the .wad in your player |
| 02:54:55 | shof515 | when wil the official one have it? |
| 02:54:58 | XavierGr | normally it should play |
| 02:55:00 | buzzard | darn that sucks |
| 02:55:08 | * | S0ap loves all the people with "E:" ipods. His is on S: |
| 02:55:09 | earHertz | shof515: it won't, god willling |
| 02:55:12 | koRn | into the root |
| 02:55:24 | shof515 | that sucks :( |
| 02:55:30 | earHertz | koRn: I dunno |
| 02:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: You don't use prboom for Rockdoom... |
| 02:55:38 | shof515 | any easy way to get it working with the plugin |
| 02:55:47 | earHertz | oh, ot's a plugin? |
| 02:55:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | S0ap: Mine floats in the E-J range. |
| 02:55:50 | koRn | you just told me to unzip it onto my ipod |
| 02:55:55 | earHertz | maybe it will be added to officla build then |
| 02:55:55 | XavierGr | Paul: I thought prboom was another wad for doom |
| 02:56:03 | koRn | im asking if it needs to be put on the root or in a folder |
| 02:56:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: The official Rockbox will probably end up with last.fm support. |
| 02:56:07 | XavierGr | it seems I got it wrong |
| 02:56:16 | shof515 | when does that come out? |
| 02:56:16 | earHertz | koRn: the .zip, yes |
| 02:56:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: PRBoom is a source port of doom. |
| 02:56:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | shof515: When it's done. |
| 02:56:37 | koRn | k im unzipping it to E:/ |
| 02:56:53 | earHertz | we're all hoping e:\ is your ipod |
| 02:57:02 | koRn | do i overwrite the files |
| 02:57:06 | earHertz | yup |
| 02:57:08 | S0ap | yes |
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| 02:57:15 | koRn | k |
| 02:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Well, what will happen is that Rockbox will support the runtimeDB again eventually, which will probably then extend to being able to generate last.fm logs, I'd imagine. |
| 02:57:21 | | Quit lamed (Client Quit) |
| 02:57:34 | koRn | so does pi do graphic art as a career |
| 02:57:38 | earHertz | I thought tagcache obsoleted runtimedn |
| 02:57:52 | earHertz | koRn: apaprently he's a programmer |
| 02:57:57 | S0ap | how hard would a computer side perl script be to make last.fm logs out of the runtimeDB? |
| 02:57:58 | koRn | wow |
| 02:58:02 | koRn | hes really good |
| 02:58:16 | JdGordon | S0ap: prob not hard... |
| 02:58:27 | JdGordon | but runtimedb isnt used anymore |
| 02:58:30 | earHertz | I gues she is. I don't use any good looking themes |
| 02:58:36 | S0ap | is there info in the wiki on the structure of the runtimeDB? |
| 02:58:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: TagCache obsoleted TagDB, runtimeDB is disabled until it's brought into line. |
| 02:58:44 | S0ap | oh |
| 02:58:58 | earHertz | runtimedb recorfds what, songs played? |
| 02:59:33 | S0ap | no reason I couldn't start on the perl now, I'm assuming runtimeDB's output structure won't change much, even if its internals do? |
| 02:59:34 | koRn | wtf |
| 02:59:42 | koRn | it keeps booting in apple fimrware |
| 02:59:58 | koRn | what happened |
| 02:59:59 | earHertz | koRn: see if there's a rockbox ipod in E:/ |
| 02:59:59 | S0ap | koRn - you apparently copied over the files, did you ever install a bootloader? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:09 | koRn | yes |
| 03:00:14 | koRn | it worked fine earlier |
| 03:00:19 | S0ap | then earHertz's theory is my theory |
| 03:00:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Pretty much. |
| 03:00:25 | koRn | all i did was change a theme in ipodwizard |
| 03:00:40 | S0ap | don't know anything about ipodwizard |
| 03:00:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Did rockbox work after changing the theme? |
| 03:00:53 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: it''ll be integrtated with tagcaxhe??? |
| 03:01:08 | koRn | idk |
| 03:01:16 | koRn | i booted in apple firmware |
| 03:01:20 | koRn | i was watching a movie |
| 03:01:33 | koRn | and yes rockbox is still on |
| 03:01:42 | earHertz | well, reboot |
| 03:01:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Please, type out words. Also, you may need to reinstall the bootloader. Do you see the bootloader when you reboot the iPod |
| 03:01:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 03:01:57 | koRn | no |
| 03:02:05 | koRn | i hold down menu and select |
| 03:02:09 | * | Genre9mp3 thinks that if you add Mekrob, craftkid, Captain_America, Vaco_Animus & koRn lines you'll get the 50% of total lines in the channel |
| 03:02:12 | koRn | then it shuts down |
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| 03:02:17 | buzzard | what if i take the map3 and convert them into wave and then conver them to ogg vorbis will i get better quality |
| 03:02:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: It should be integrated yes, so that you can say, "Search for songs added in the last 10 days" or "Search for 100 least played songs" |
| 03:02:31 | koRn | then the apple logo comes up |
| 03:02:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: You CANNOT improve the quality upward by conversion. |
| 03:02:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Then you removed the bootloader when you used iPodWizard |
| 03:02:47 | koRn | then it just goes straight to apple firmware |
| 03:02:49 | koRn | no text |
| 03:02:58 | earHertz | I don't care about that. I just don't want song bnames duiplicated |
| 03:02:58 | koRn | so what do i do |
| 03:03:00 | buzzard | so the onlyy way to get better quality to to rip from a cd |
| 03:03:00 | wehn_ | buzzard: like photocoping photocopies, it only gets worse |
| 03:03:11 | koRn | reinstall the bootloader |
| 03:03:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: If it's removed, I bet you need to install it... |
| 03:03:19 | earHertz | Hionestly, I never neven bothered to figure out how to use tagcache's searching. |
| 03:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Some people like it. I don't even use TagCache except to verify it's working when someone reports issues. |
| 03:03:48 | earHertz | I pretty much just play one album for several weeks. Like an autistic or something. |
| 03:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have one 1800 entry playlist I reshuffle each time I turn the player on |
| 03:04:29 | earHertz | no themes, no bells, no whistles. never tried to play doom |
| 03:04:34 | koRn | ok if the twiki is down were is the guide on installing it |
| 03:04:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try the manual |
| 03:04:46 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: you only have 1800 somgs? |
| 03:04:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Yup. |
| 03:05:05 | earHertz | on a 60? |
| 03:05:15 | earHertz | oh, wait you have an oriver or something |
| 03:05:17 | sharpe | i have a little under 1200 songs... |
| 03:05:24 | earHertz | 8600 |
| 03:05:31 | earHertz | all legal, btw |
| 03:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I have a 20 gig player |
| 03:05:42 | earHertz | excepg some of teh soviet stuff |
| 03:05:44 | S0ap | 10122 |
| 03:05:48 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has not lived long enough to afford 8600 songs. |
| 03:05:51 | earHertz | an archos??? |
| 03:06:07 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: emusic. cost about 25 censt a track |
| 03:06:19 | | Quit buzzard ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 03:06:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | I actually have a 20-gig Archos Jukebox, a 20gig iRiver h120, a 4gig nano (for Rockboxes) |
| 03:06:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Only one I actually bought for myself was the iRiver. |
| 03:06:50 | * | JdGordon has 3000 songs on a 20g |
| 03:06:53 | koRn | is their a maual with working links? |
| 03:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I'm slightly obsessive compulsive. I can't buy lossy songs, even if I cannot hear the difference. |
| 03:07:08 | S0ap | 80% of my 600+ albums are legal, the rest I feel no guilt over as they are either downloads where I own the vinyl, or out-of-print. |
| 03:07:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: The files are temporarily at the link in the channel topic |
| 03:07:39 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: I can did OCD. ever read that tracy kidder book? |
| 03:07:42 | koRn | but idk what file it links me to dl |
| 03:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Tracy kidder book? |
| 03:08:06 | earHertz | My most expensive purchase was $180 |
| 03:08:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Please, type out full words. Also, try the iPodInstallation one. |
| 03:08:42 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: Tracy Kidder, Home Town, Random House, 1999, ISBN 0671785214 |
| 03:08:46 | | Quit S0ap ("Someone dropped the soap!") |
| 03:08:53 | earHertz | partly about a lawyer with teally bad OCD |
| 03:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah. |
| 03:09:08 | earHertz | cures himself my going to tityy bars |
| 03:09:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird |
| 03:09:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think that'll resolve mine. |
| 03:09:35 | earHertz | he wears plastc bags over his hands to tip teh girls five sdolar bills |
| 03:10:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 03:10:08 | * | earHertz shrugs |
| 03:10:10 | koRn | so out of this http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/IpodInstallation/ I install bootloadervideo.bin , ipodpatcher .3.zip, and ipodpatcher.exe |
| 03:10:19 | earHertz | you've read soul of teh new nmachine by kidder? |
| 03:10:47 | | Quit Genre9mp3 ("I don't suffer from Rockbox psychosis. I enjoy every minute of it.") |
| 03:10:52 | earHertz | koRn: you use ipopatcher.exe on your opc to install the binms to the ipod |
| 03:10:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Haven't read that either. |
| 03:11:07 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: you MUST read it |
| 03:11:15 | XavierGr | oh my god all this time Korn hasn't installed Rockbox? |
| 03:11:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Ipodpatcher.exe, ipod_fw.exe and bootloadervideo.bin. |
| 03:11:22 | koRn | i did |
| 03:11:24 | earHertz | it's about DEC engineers buiilduing a mini computer. It's something any proghrammer must read |
| 03:11:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | XavierGr: He has before, but apparently he can't remember which files he used last time. |
| 03:11:28 | koRn | but it disssapeared |
| 03:11:36 | webguest13 | can i see vidos on rockbox? |
| 03:11:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: No. |
| 03:11:43 | webguest13 | k |
| 03:11:45 | koRn | i told you paul the links changed |
| 03:11:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: The filenames though, did not. |
| 03:11:58 | XavierGr | KoRN: You must be shot in public! :P |
| 03:12:13 | koRn | god i cant wait to get his all fixed |
| 03:12:35 | XavierGr | If I had an iPod I would try to help you too |
| 03:12:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I'll look it up |
| 03:12:58 | earHertz | great book |
| 03:13:04 | | Quit webguest13 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 03:13:19 | earHertz | koRn: carefully read teh instructiosn, do exacrtly jhat they say |
| 03:13:20 | XavierGr | good night all |
| 03:13:27 | koRn | i can do it |
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| 03:13:33 | XavierGr | and KoRn, good luck on your quest |
| 03:13:40 | koRn | its just the links are broken now i have to look for th3e files |
| 03:13:45 | koRn | thank you |
| 03:13:48 | XavierGr | may the FAQ be with you! |
| 03:13:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: I told you the three filenames you needed. |
| 03:13:58 | koRn | and i have them |
| 03:14:01 | koRn | now im off |
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| 03:15:59 | earHertz | When you place a T-bone steak on the BBQ it starts to cook from the outside. But what about my dog? |
| 03:16:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've dog cooked blackened, with the insides still pink on sale at markets. |
| 03:16:39 | S0ap | I'm guessing when you place a T-bone steak on your dog it starts to get hairy from the outside |
| 03:17:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ew, hairy stake. |
| 03:17:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | steak |
| 03:17:20 | sharpe | yeah, kind of... |
| 03:17:39 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: you cantonese? |
| 03:18:14 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: ye lived in, indonesia wasn't it? |
| 03:18:17 | koRn | ok im on the cmd. i saved the files in c:\rockbox. what do i type to "locate that directory". |
| 03:18:42 | S0ap | koRn |
| 03:18:44 | S0ap | C: |
| 03:18:45 | earHertz | koRn: you already know the directory |
| 03:18:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, that was Indonesia. |
| 03:18:50 | S0ap | cd \rockbox |
| 03:19:05 | earHertz | I had a fling with an indonesia-american chick |
| 03:19:08 | earHertz | very hot |
| 03:19:09 | koRn | thankyou soap |
| 03:19:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Out of curiosity, this being the part you HAVE done before, why still all the questions? |
| 03:19:42 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: honestly, I barely remmeber what I did to install the bootloader, and I'm a programmer |
| 03:19:44 | S0ap | everything else is cut-and-paste from the instructions, with the exception of changing the "N" to the # you will be shortly discovering. |
| 03:20:09 | earHertz | I just file dit as "magic incantations" |
| 03:20:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Yeah, but he now has a list of instructions and all the files. |
| 03:20:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: So he has a document with the magic incantations still in it. And is asking how to cd. |
| 03:20:47 | earHertz | he';s gun-shy,. I was too., thinking I might turn my ipod into an expensive papaer weight |
| 03:21:20 | * | earHertz is being very understanmding tonight |
| 03:22:01 | sharpe | but, remember what i always say, it is near impossible to brick your ipod by means of software, short of damaging it with a brick. (electrical problems need not apply) |
| 03:23:34 | sharpe | i don't really always say it. but. i say it enough. |
| 03:24:19 | earHertz | sharpe: newmp3technology, after I paid them $100 to fix my ipod, blamed there not actually fixing it on the rockbox-in-flash |
| 03:24:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | But Rockbox doesn't enter flash on iPod |
| 03:24:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | At all |
| 03:24:37 | earHertz | after that, I stopped coding for rockbox for three yeras, because I had no mp3 player |
| 03:24:41 | earHertz | I';m gunshy |
| 03:26:55 | koRn | ear |
| 03:26:59 | earHertz | ko |
| 03:27:04 | | Quit hardeep ("[BX] Just do it like Nike... BEEATCH!") |
| 03:27:10 | koRn | do you have a sec |
| 03:27:22 | koRn | im on step 6. for windows in the 5g manual |
| 03:27:22 | earHertz | too many seconds |
| 03:27:29 | koRn | and i got an error |
| 03:28:03 | koRn | i dont know if it is an i i need to type or a 1 |
| 03:28:04 | earHertz | I can';t find teh manual, teh wiki's down |
| 03:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's an i, lowercase, if you're talking about the ipod_fw step |
| 03:29:20 | koRn | lol |
| 03:29:26 | koRn | this would be a lot easier |
| 03:29:37 | koRn | i didnt know you could copy from this pdf |
| 03:29:46 | koRn | i was typing it all out |
| 03:29:54 | S0ap | [2006-07-12 21:21:41] <S0ap> everything else is cut-and-paste from the instructions |
| 03:29:59 | S0ap | :) |
| 03:30:46 | koRn | i wasnt reading |
| 03:30:52 | koRn | i was doing the manual |
| 03:31:17 | earHertz | lol |
| 03:31:36 | earHertz | koRn: you're related to teh president? |
| 03:31:59 | webguest13 | can iplay doom in rockbox? |
| 03:32:18 | earHertz | webguest13: yes |
| 03:32:22 | webguest13 | k |
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| 03:33:07 | koRn | god this ticks me off |
| 03:33:32 | webguest13 | when i start doom i get a eror "wad file missing" .. i have dowlnload this wad file. where shoud i put this fileS? |
| 03:33:43 | koRn | i know it is off topic but does anyone know how to fix it when you click on a folder it opens up search with that folder as the peramameter? |
| 03:34:06 | koRn | in ipod drive:\games\doom |
| 03:34:23 | webguest13 | i dont have a game map |
| 03:34:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Game map? |
| 03:34:50 | koRn | anyone know what is wrong with my comp? |
| 03:35:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: What do you mean by "game map", because nobody has said anything like that. |
| 03:35:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Google. |
| 03:35:25 | webguest13 | <koRn> in ipod drive:\games\doom |
| 03:35:28 | earHertz | koRn: got nme |
| 03:36:00 | koRn | jesus paul if you dont have an answer please dont say google. if i wanted to search goole i would have |
| 03:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Yes, and what about that has anything to do with "maps" |
| 03:36:06 | koRn | io was asking if someone knew how |
| 03:36:22 | koRn | google |
| 03:36:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Yes, you asked, off topic, nobody answered, and you then repeated the request. |
| 03:37:02 | koRn | really i repeated it |
| 03:37:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | You repeated the request. |
| 03:37:14 | koRn | i stated what was wrong |
| 03:37:25 | koRn | then asked if anyone knew what was wrong |
| 03:37:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You asked the question, then you asked a second question equivalent to the first. |
| 03:37:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Both ended with questionmarks: Two questions. |
| 03:37:37 | webguest13 | Paul_The_Nerd: where shoud i put the wad file... |
| 03:37:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: \games\doom |
| 03:37:46 | koRn | i aked how to fix it |
| 03:37:52 | koRn | then asked what was wrong |
| 03:37:58 | koRn | to diffferent questions |
| 03:38:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: They relate to the same off-topic concern. |
| 03:38:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unless you're talking about some other problem with your computer you've yet to describe. |
| 03:38:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I've told you before, this is #rockbox anyway. |
| 03:38:36 | koRn | paul could you do me a favor |
| 03:38:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably not, since I imagine it'll be something silly like "leave me alone" |
| 03:39:03 | koRn | please just dont talk to me. all you do is tell me to search google and get me mad |
| 03:39:17 | koRn | id ignore you but opera chat doesnt have it built it |
| 03:39:19 | koRn | in |
| 03:39:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm sorry, but "I don't want to search google" is not an excuse to try to use this channel as your own personal tech support resource. |
| 03:39:42 | earHertz | koRn: Paul_The_Nerd's been very patient and helpful to you, and he works very hard to faciliatate rockbox |
| 03:39:44 | koRn | well then dont reply |
| 03:39:51 | earHertz | please showe him some courtesy |
| 03:39:52 | S0ap | koRn - it's not a matter of "if I wanted to search Google I would have"...it is a matter that you are EXPECTED to do your own due diligence and search google first |
| 03:39:58 | koRn | he has not helped at all |
| 03:40:14 | koRn | i was asking if someone had a similar problem |
| 03:40:22 | koRn | and if no one have i would have |
| 03:40:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Earlier you even admitted I helped you install your bootloader, didn't you? |
| 03:40:27 | earHertz | koRn: well, nobody does |
| 03:40:35 | koRn | no linux did |
| 03:41:04 | earHertz | koRn: just be nioce. Paul_The_Nerd's suggestion to google was perfectly legit |
| 03:41:11 | koRn | ok well i would go search google now it just annoys me how he always tells me to search google when someone may havehad a similar issue |
| 03:41:14 | kergoth | a failure to do at least minimal research before coming on irc and wasting everyone's time is a sign of disrespect. you're assuming that your time is worth more than everyone elses. it isn't. get of fyour ass. |
| 03:41:16 | S0ap | saying Paul_The_Nerd hasn't helped is like bitching Linus T. won't hold your hand installing Debian. |
| 03:41:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Whether or not someone else has had a similar issue, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO ASK. It's that simple. |
| 03:41:47 | koRn | well lets see |
| 03:41:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It is ESPECIALLY not the place to ask if you have not taken the time to search for yourself first. |
| 03:41:53 | koRn | your talking about t bone steak |
| 03:41:59 | S0ap | for something you keep saying you "need" you don't try very hard. |
| 03:42:03 | koRn | but that is on the topic of rockbox |
| 03:42:09 | koRn | and computers arent |
| 03:42:25 | kergoth | off topic chat is fine, off topic chat _that has other, more appropriate support channels_ is not. |
| 03:42:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: The talking about the t-bone steak was not a request for off-topic support though. Especially it wasn't one that was reiterated. |
| 03:42:34 | webguest13 | i dont have a map call game on my ipod!!!! |
| 03:42:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Do you mean "folder" or "directory"? |
| 03:42:51 | S0ap | this isn't #answer-the-same-question-every-half-hour. That channel us on undernet. |
| 03:42:53 | webguest13 | folder |
| 03:42:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Make it. |
| 03:43:00 | webguest13 | k |
| 03:43:14 | earHertz | S0ap: that's a real channel? |
| 03:43:20 | webguest13 | all my games are in a map call rocks |
| 03:43:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: So? |
| 03:44:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Simply put, you have already more than once requested off-topic support in here. There's a difference between idle chatter, and coming here and asking non-rockbox questions repeatedly. |
| 03:45:28 | S0ap | earHertz - give me a min and it will be |
| 03:45:35 | earHertz | ;)\ |
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| 03:46:35 | webguest13 | i didnt work ipod miss "bas wad" |
| 03:46:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Do you have rockdoom.wad and one of the official doom wads there? |
| 03:47:14 | webguest13 | y |
| 03:47:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that "Yes" or "Why?" |
| 03:47:36 | webguest13 | yes |
| 03:47:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be really helpful if you used full words. |
| 03:47:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, so which official wad do you have? |
| 03:47:51 | webguest13 | okey |
| 03:48:08 | webguest13 | i have rockdomm wad |
| 03:48:13 | webguest13 | rockdoom |
| 03:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, besides rockdoom. |
| 03:48:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I said you need rockdoom AND an official one. |
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| 03:48:53 | webguest13 | witch is the offcial one? |
| 03:49:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one that comes with doom when you buy it. |
| 03:49:17 | sharpe | such a great way to put it |
| 03:49:22 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: wil the prboom wad work/ |
| 03:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: The prboom.wad is a resource wad for that source port, not a game wad |
| 03:49:40 | webguest13 | buy it? |
| 03:49:44 | earHertz | oh |
| 03:49:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: When you buy Doom. You can also download the shareware Doom and use doom1.wad from it. |
| 03:50:13 | webguest13 | k |
| 03:50:16 | webguest13 | okay |
| 03:50:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Or you can get Freedoom (google for that word, should be first link) and use that wad, renamed to doom2.wad |
| 03:50:25 | earHertz | Irt's fumnny, I have prboom on my zaursu, which is an arm chip like he ipod and has tehe same 320x240 screen (but the zaurus has less dpi) |
| 03:50:50 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: or the second link goes to the download page. heheh... |
| 03:51:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I really think we should host freedoom.wad at the PluginDoom page, and change the plugin to default to it. |
| 03:51:39 | sharpe | sounds like a reasonable idea. |
| 03:51:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Freedoom is all GPLey and stuff. |
| 03:51:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think |
| 03:52:14 | sharpe | GPLey vaguely reminds me of the word 'jelly,' not quite sure why. |
| 03:52:29 | S0ap | mmm, peanut butter and GPLey |
| 03:52:43 | S0ap | oh, I guess I'm late to the punch |
| 03:52:53 | webguest13 | on freedoom shoud i download demo ? |
| 03:53:35 | sharpe | nope, full... |
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| 03:54:07 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: according to the sourceforge page, it's under a BSD license |
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| 03:54:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 03:55:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, either way, we can redistribute the WAD |
| 03:55:44 | sharpe | indeed. |
| 03:55:51 | webguest13 | i put all the files in the doom folder? |
| 03:56:00 | sharpe | yep. |
| 03:56:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | /doom/games |
| 03:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | So /doom/games/rockdoom.wad and /doom/games/doom2.wad |
| 03:56:28 | sharpe | but it's... /games/doom... |
| 03:57:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | /games/doom/rockdoom.wad and /games/doom/doom2.wad |
| 03:57:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently my brain isn't working quite in order. |
| 03:57:27 | webguest13 | doom1.wad? |
| 03:57:29 | sharpe | heheh |
| 03:57:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | The wad that comes with freedoom needs to be named doom2.wad |
| 03:59:02 | webguest13 | so i dont need doom1.wad? |
| 03:59:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not if you have Freedoom |
| 03:59:17 | sharpe | only if you want to play doom 1. |
| 03:59:21 | webguest13 | okay |
| 03:59:49 | webguest13 | how do i start this game? |
| 03:59:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | doom1 is actually "Doom Shareware" with doom.wad being "Doom 1" and doomu.wad being "Ultimate Doom" which was Doom 1 with 4 episodes instead of three |
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| 04:00:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest13: Browse Plugins, and choose Doom |
| 04:00:12 | webguest13 | okay |
| 04:01:05 | sharpe | ah, right. |
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| 04:07:27 | sharpe | wow... |
| 04:07:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
| 04:07:45 | sharpe | For Canadian Prize Winners: In addition to complying in full with these Official Rules including the redemption instructions, a participant must correctly answer a mathematical skill-testing question, without assistance of any kind, whether mechanical, electronic or otherwise, before the participant can be declared the winner of any Prize. |
| 04:08:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is this competition? |
| 04:08:31 | sharpe | peeling off a sticker off of mcdonald's food products. |
| 04:08:34 | midkay | mcdonal's!! |
| 04:08:36 | midkay | told you. |
| 04:08:48 | midkay | pirates of the caribbean game! |
| 04:08:54 | sharpe | indeed |
| 04:09:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | They really hate Canadians? |
| 04:09:28 | midkay | isn't their grading system all weird anyways. |
| 04:09:39 | sharpe | maybe they just believe Canada doesn't teach mathematical skills in schools? |
| 04:09:46 | midkay | they're very.. yeah. |
| 04:09:47 | midkay | like. |
| 04:10:03 | midkay | you could get an F in the US for the same thing you'd get maybe a C for in canada. |
| 04:10:32 | sharpe | makes some sense, but not in a competition like that... |
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| 04:10:50 | midkay | .. huh? |
| 04:11:24 | sharpe | why would that be a restriction to mcdonand's prizes? |
| 04:11:41 | midkay | because they could have passed in canada yet failed in the US so they want to make sure that they.. you know. |
| 04:12:17 | sharpe | can type in a code correctly? :) |
| 04:13:04 | midkay | can answer a mathematical question. |
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| 04:13:30 | sharpe | well yeah, but what is it's relativity to winning a prize? |
| 04:13:37 | koRn | ok i put rockbox back on |
| 04:13:48 | koRn | and i extracted the jbuild |
| 04:13:56 | midkay | sharpe, you mean "its" relativity, and who cares. |
| 04:14:01 | koRn | now how come when i play a song the wps isnt there |
| 04:14:16 | midkay | "jbuild"? |
| 04:14:22 | sharpe | ahahah. how'd i mistype that... |
| 04:14:28 | midkay | is that some custom build, or a typo? |
| 04:14:36 | koRn | jblackglass |
| 04:14:41 | koRn | piejuliuses build |
| 04:14:51 | midkay | we don't support patched, unofficial custom builds, sorry.. |
| 04:15:08 | koRn | ... |
| 04:15:14 | midkay | that's a custom build, yes. |
| 04:15:27 | midkay | we didn't make it, we don't support it. patches can cause any number of problems. |
| 04:15:38 | midkay | especially builds with several patches applied at once. |
| 04:15:47 | midkay | and that are probably quite out-of-date by now. |
| 04:15:52 | koRn | how do i remove all of rockbox from my ipod |
| 04:16:12 | midkay | delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod and then uninstall the bootloader. |
| 04:16:19 | koRn | ok |
| 04:16:37 | koRn | well i hope ipod linux has a more helpful community |
| 04:16:47 | midkay | enjoy. |
| 04:17:09 | sharpe | have fun |
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| 04:17:43 | EbErT | are doom and packman in the wiki portion of the site? |
| 04:17:54 | EbErT | *pacman |
| 04:18:40 | midkay | ... files for them, or instructions, or what? |
| 04:19:09 | midkay | there's a doom WAD in the wiki, but pacman requires 3rd party game files that you must "create" yourself or obtain yourself.. |
| 04:19:30 | EbErT | how about just the doom game files |
| 04:19:50 | midkay | .. there's a doom WAD in the wiki. |
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| 04:20:11 | EbErT | i was asking because wiki's down |
| 04:20:25 | midkay | check the /topic.. |
| 04:20:27 | S0ap | The Surgen General warns obsessive doom playing has been linked to scrollwheel death. |
| 04:20:28 | webguest13 | how do i quit from the game when i playd doom |
| 04:20:28 | EbErT | and if that's the only place to attain wad files for it |
| 04:20:35 | EbErT | ah, k |
| 04:20:50 | sharpe | webguest13: switch hold on and off until you get a menu. |
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| 04:21:25 | * | S0ap misses him already |
| 04:21:56 | EbErT | where can i get freedoom? |
| 04:22:01 | webguest13 | i didnt get any meny |
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| 04:22:12 | sharpe | EbErT: http://freedoom.sourceforge.net/download/ |
| 04:22:33 | sharpe | webguest13: did you only try it once? |
| 04:22:36 | S0ap | not to be an ass, EbErT, but you can type freedoom in google faster than I can look up the link and paste it here. |
| 04:22:49 | sharpe | luckily for you i already had google up. |
| 04:22:56 | midkay | S0ap, you also need rockdoom.wad - only available in the wiki. |
| 04:23:01 | midkay | afaik.. |
| 04:23:11 | EbErT | i thought it had to be specially done since its running on rockbox |
| 04:23:21 | EbErT | sorry i'm not so knowledgable |
| 04:23:29 | midkay | right, it kind of does - it requires an additional rockbox-only wad file. |
| 04:23:32 | EbErT | smart asses :/ |
| 04:23:34 | sharpe | for a limited time only, *FREE! rockdoom.wad, available only online at rockbox.org |
| 04:23:46 | midkay | EbErT, it's not a problem.. that's what we're here for. |
| 04:23:50 | webguest13 | now :D |
| 04:23:52 | S0ap | midkay - you are right, but he asked for freedoom, and my brain didn't think long enough about what he _needed_, just what he _wnated_ ;) |
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| 04:24:14 | midkay | EbErT, whoops - i didn |
| 04:24:16 | midkay | 't see that. :) |
| 04:24:47 | EbErT | see what heh |
| 04:24:56 | sharpe | midkay: you have a linebreak in there... just thought you should know. |
| 04:25:09 | EbErT | so helpful sharpe. |
| 04:25:16 | midkay | sharpe, well, it's not even "in there". it's two seperate lines. |
| 04:26:14 | S0ap | midkay suffers from my problem, the '/" key is too close to Enter. |
| 04:26:27 | sharpe | midkay: indeed, but you still have part of a word on one line, and the ending on another. :) |
| 04:27:02 | EbErT | 1 more question: |
| 04:27:03 | midkay | yes, but it should be clear that it's not a line break "in there", it's two messages, one of which was cut off unfortunately by a line break. |
| 04:27:17 | EbErT | do i need complete iwad, or the "demo" wad |
| 04:27:36 | midkay | what? |
| 04:27:41 | S0ap | EbErT - complete |
| 04:27:41 | sharpe | EbErT: complete. unless you want the wad that is comparable to the demo version. |
| 04:28:00 | EbErT | ok |
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| 05:10:02 | koRn | anyone seen this yet? |
| 05:10:03 | koRn | http://foxmajik.livejournal.com/480621.html |
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| 05:11:49 | midkay | what's special about it? |
| 05:12:00 | midkay | he installs some 3rd party OS' with publicly available tools and voila.. |
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| 05:13:13 | koRn | he has all 4 oses booting |
| 05:13:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Three OSes |
| 05:13:39 | midkay | .. |
| 05:13:45 | midkay | it's three OS' and a disk mode. |
| 05:13:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, his instructions are MUCH too complicated. |
| 05:13:55 | midkay | which iPL's loader and Rockbox's loader both allow you to do. |
| 05:14:00 | midkay | in fact the setup is not uncommon at all. |
| 05:14:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you just run the iPodLinux installer, then extract Rockbox.zip onto your root, you're done. |
| 05:14:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | All four boot options, many less than 17 steps and 3 or 4 downloads. |
| 05:15:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heck, our bootloader allows you to boot into Apple, Retail, or Rockbox as well, and of course Disk Mode is always available. :) |
| 05:15:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Errr Apple, Linux, and Rockbox |
| 05:16:06 | midkay | thanks for REITERATING!!!! |
| 05:16:09 | sharpe | apple, retail, or rockbox... heheh... |
| 05:16:45 | sharpe | we just need an alternate firmware named "Retail" and your statement will still almost be correct. |
| 05:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 05:17:04 | midkay | yeah...... |
| 05:17:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, I briefly had a version of our bootloader that would load the retail OS from a .bin file in the fat32 partition, instead of the special partition. |
| 05:17:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it was unable to play music or enter USB mode, so it was kinda useless. |
| 05:17:29 | sharpe | heheh. |
| 05:17:42 | sharpe | novelty item, still have it? :) |
| 05:17:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sure I have the patch for it archived somewhere |
| 05:18:12 | qwm | sharpe, richard sharpe.. |
| 05:18:42 | sharpe | hmm? |
| 05:18:59 | qwm | i like you. |
| 05:19:07 | sharpe | okay... |
| 05:19:09 | qwm | in a non-gay irc-friendly way. |
| 05:19:19 | sharpe | but i'm not richard sharpe... |
| 05:19:22 | qwm | you've got something a lot of ppl lack these days, and that's wittiness! |
| 05:19:30 | qwm | well, that's true. |
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| 05:19:42 | qwm | matt sharpe? |
| 05:19:42 | qwm | :p |
| 05:19:50 | sharpe | ah, very close. :-D |
| 05:20:02 | qwm | what is it then? :P |
| 05:20:09 | sharpe | bridge. |
| 05:20:27 | qwm | where did you get "sharpe" from then?! |
| 05:20:32 | sharpe | a sharpie. |
| 05:20:44 | sharpe | that was on my desk at the time. |
| 05:21:12 | koRn | is doom built into ipl as well? |
| 05:21:17 | sharpe | dropped the 'i' to not infringe on any trademarks. |
| 05:21:21 | qwm | oh. |
| 05:21:26 | qwm | haha. |
| 05:21:31 | qwm | interesting. |
| 05:21:45 | qwm | and you didn't know of richard sharpe at all until i told you a few weeks or months ago? |
| 05:21:59 | sharpe | did you ever tell me of richard sharpe? |
| 05:22:00 | qwm | and you may even have forgotten that i did by now?! |
| 05:22:02 | qwm | haha. |
| 05:22:04 | qwm | exactly. |
| 05:22:18 | qwm | i did. but people don't care much about what i say.. i'm used to it. |
| 05:22:23 | qwm | except when i'm being rude! |
| 05:23:12 | sharpe | ah... |
| 05:23:21 | sharpe | very sorry then. |
| 05:23:35 | qwm | :P |
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| 05:24:44 | koRn | is doom built into ipod linux? |
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| 05:25:17 | qwm | sharpe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sharpe_%28fictional_character%29 - portrayed by Sean Bean in the series of TV films! |
| 05:25:26 | sharpe | koRn: it's classified information. you've to find that out yourself. |
| 05:25:45 | sharpe | qwm: ah, now i believe i remember |
| 05:26:07 | qwm | cool. :) |
| 05:26:31 | koRn | ok tjanks .... |
| 05:26:33 | koRn | thanks |
| 05:26:37 | sharpe | anytime. |
| 05:27:27 | sharpe | we're also obliged by international law to inform you, that the ipodlinux channel may have support on your topic of interest. |
| 05:27:45 | koRn | yah but i dont know the server |
| 05:28:23 | sharpe | ah, this server may be a good starting place. |
| 05:28:52 | scorche | or you couls check the ipl site for more information |
| 05:29:12 | koRn | or you could have said yes or no |
| 05:29:13 | scorche | could even |
| 05:29:19 | scorche | but, i dont know ;) |
| 05:29:29 | midkay | scorche!!!!! |
| 05:29:32 | koRn | well then why are we talking |
| 05:29:40 | koRn | you dont have an answer |
| 05:29:55 | midkay | cause this is #rockbox, not #ipodlinux. |
| 05:29:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why are you even asking? |
| 05:30:22 | scorche | wait....is he captain_america? |
| 05:30:28 | koRn | because if youd tell me id know whether i should switch |
| 05:30:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
| 05:30:32 | midkay | makes me wonder.. |
| 05:30:34 | sharpe | yes. |
| 05:30:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | He is. |
| 05:30:40 | koRn | yes |
| 05:30:44 | scorche | ...how did i guess... |
| 05:30:45 | koRn | along with mekrob |
| 05:30:48 | koRn | and vaco animus |
| 05:31:05 | sharpe | split personalities? |
| 05:31:10 | koRn | yes |
| 05:31:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | None of which can use google. |
| 05:31:25 | scorche | or common sense |
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| 05:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | koRn: Look what the first result for a google search for "doom on ipod" is: http://ipodlinux.org/Doom |
| 05:31:53 | midkay | scorche hates me. |
| 05:32:07 | sharpe | midkay: it's a warming feeling, isn't it? |
| 05:32:10 | koRn | fuck you guys all of you you are all selfish nerds who need lifes. i hope you all get ass raped by your mothers |
| 05:32:13 | koRn | gday |
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| 05:32:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 05:32:21 | scorche | oh god.. |
| 05:32:26 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 05:32:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Wow. That was special. |
| 05:32:27 | midgey34 | ... |
| 05:32:27 | sharpe | goodbye friend! have fun! bon voyage! |
| 05:33:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't know he was mekrob as well. |
| 05:33:24 | sharpe | i thought mekrob was way cooler than his other personalities. |
| 05:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I got irritated with mekrob a long time ago, I think. |
| 05:34:01 | sharpe | the name at least sounded better than the others. |
| 05:35:00 | * | Febs wonders how a mother could ass rape anyone. |
| 05:35:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Strap-ons, clearly. |
| 05:35:15 | midkay | hahahaha. |
| 05:35:17 | sharpe | Febs: that's off-topic! |
| 05:35:20 | sharpe | :) |
| 05:35:37 | Febs | :) |
| 05:36:11 | midkay | if anyone wants his AIM address to spam let me know!! |
| 05:36:20 | sharpe | ah, it's days like these that make me glad i am semi-involved with rockbox. |
| 05:36:49 | midkay | -semi+barely. |
| 05:37:25 | sharpe | barely-involved shouldn't have a dash between them. |
| 05:37:55 | midkay | right. |
| 05:38:17 | midkay | "im trying to understand ipods" |
| 05:39:08 | sharpe | "i'm trying to understand the universe" |
| 05:42:34 | sharpe | i wonder if he ever did go to #ipodlinux ... |
| 05:43:03 | scorche | who cares >_> |
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| 05:43:52 | sharpe | :) |
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| 05:44:10 | earHertz | anyone here care about ipodvideo assembly hotdog stuff? |
| 05:44:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is hotdog? |
| 05:44:29 | earHertz | asm for teh ipod lcd |
| 05:44:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 05:44:46 | sharpe | how in the world does it get named that...? |
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| 05:45:34 | earHertz | ask in ipodlinux |
| 05:45:55 | earHertz | I think becasue in american, a hotdog ios a showoff, and they wanted to sjowe off fast video |
| 05:46:02 | sharpe | ah... |
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| 05:51:02 | sharpe | why not just name it like, Pomp ? |
| 05:53:15 | earHertz | fuck |
| 05:53:21 | sharpe | bad word. |
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| 05:53:53 | midkay | immatureness is amok when sharpe is present.. gah. |
| 05:54:05 | sharpe | look who's talking... |
| 05:54:20 | midkay | what's this all about. |
| 05:54:31 | sharpe | oh, nothing... |
| 05:56:16 | midkay | wittiness abound. |
| 05:57:27 | earHertz | does excel have a mapping function, that maps arbitrary value to arbitarty value? |
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| 06:52:22 | earHertz | http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lcdasmiasmsdcsd3202325cg.jpg |
| 06:55:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I don't know what to conclude from that. |
| 06:55:29 | earHertz | http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=125584#125584 |
| 06:58:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Okay, I thought it said C was fastest, but I didn't know if there was perhaps tighter clustering in one of the others or something. |
| 06:59:02 | earHertz | yeah, the graph doesn't show the relative clustering well |
| 06:59:17 | earHertz | C's fastest for large copies, asm for small |
| 06:59:20 | earHertz | very odd |
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| 07:02:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd indeed. |
| 07:02:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you got an idea why yet, or is it still in the "odd but unclassified" territory? |
| 07:08:49 | jhMikeS | Hello All. :) What is the frame frequecy and/or oscillation frequency of the HD66773R on the X5? |
| 07:10:45 | earHertz | no real idea |
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| 07:11:37 | jhMikeS | earHertz: Does that mean I have to take mine apart? :o |
| 07:11:52 | earHertz | we do loop around waitin g for the lcd, and we do it in a funny way: we do the clenup at the top of the fuction, cleaning up what we did the last time we were in the function |
| 07:12:14 | earHertz | basicaly, we have to wait 14ms between calls, and the loop at teh top enforces this |
| 07:12:44 | earHertz | jhMikeS: I was answering Paul_The_Nerd |
| 07:12:59 | jhMikeS | earHertz: Sorry! |
| 07:13:03 | earHertz | np |
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| 07:14:14 | jhMikeS | That works out to about 71hz. Seems rather fast. |
| 07:15:55 | jhMikeS | BTW: What function? You mean the system updating the screens? I know it's not done in the driver. Plugins seem to call lcd_update at will. |
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| 07:17:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does the test_fps plugin give on the 5G anyway? |
| 07:17:37 | jhMikeS | earHertz: I'm still learning the code so please forgive I don't know where everything is at. |
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| 08:09:21 | Mordov|wo | Hey, can someone explain to me how the Tag database works? I can't get more than a few songs. and I have a few tousand :) |
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| 08:16:24 | Mordov|wo | Hey, can someone to get the Tag database to work, I can't get more than a few songs into it |
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| 08:18:04 | midkay | tag database, or tagcache? |
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| 08:25:14 | Mordov|wo | both maby :) I hva noe clue, just want to be able no navigate using tags |
| 08:26:20 | amiconn | brb |
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| 08:46:17 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 08:52:03 | petur | ho |
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| 08:53:25 | amiconn | hu |
| 08:54:30 | petur | somebody seems to have made a device with two host ports: http://www.i4u.com/article6057.html |
| 08:56:12 | scorche | petur: those devices have been out for quite a while |
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| 08:56:44 | amiconn | Devices with 2 host ports aren't special |
| 08:56:55 | amiconn | However, this one seems to be special |
| 08:57:21 | amiconn | ..as the article says it allows to transfer songs between ipods, so it seems to handle the itunes db |
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| 08:59:56 | qwm | midkay_ |
| 08:59:59 | qwm | change cniCkl |
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| 09:00:02 | qwm | for heavens sakE# |
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| 09:00:06 | qwm | good |
| 09:01:01 | Mordov|wo | I have now been able to make a tagDB file. but I get the cashe not rady MSG, is it just to wait? in that case for how long ? :) |
| 09:03:05 | Mordov|wo | trying to force the tagcache just makes the iRiver hang :( |
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| 09:03:35 | Bg3r | http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+TagCache+site:www.rockbox.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a |
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| 09:04:09 | Mordov|wo | thanks :) |
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| 09:11:32 | Jungti1234 | hi Bg3r :) |
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| 09:12:19 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 hi;) |
| 09:12:36 | Jungti1234 | long time no see, hehe.. |
| 09:13:07 | Bg3r | yep... very busy recently |
| 09:14:32 | amiconn | hmm.... |
| 09:15:25 | Bg3r | amiconn ? |
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| 09:15:52 | amiconn | Tagcache track removal support seems to need less code than I first thought |
| 09:16:42 | amiconn | I wondered about the bloat on archos (more than +3KB). Looks like this is the added size of track removal and tagcache-in-ram support |
| 09:17:08 | amiconn | Didn't test the new code yet, but I don't think tagcache in ram is a good idea on archos |
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| 09:19:10 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, the interesting thing in the tagcache in ram code on archos is that it caches all tags in ram except the filename tags so ram usage shouldn't be so high |
| 09:19:36 | amiconn | [09:17:14] <amiconn> Didn't test the new code yet <== |
| 09:20:11 | amiconn | Depends on how much ram tagcache actually needs |
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| 09:21:32 | Slasheri | amiconn: i think it should be less than with dircache |
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| 10:35:52 | LinusN | i'm about to bring the wiki back up |
| 10:36:22 | LinusN | however, i have an idea |
| 10:36:45 | LinusN | what if i removed all users from the wiki that haven't contributed anything? |
| 10:37:19 | LinusN | there are so many registered users that haven't edited a single page after registering |
| 10:37:27 | petur | seems a good idea |
| 10:37:29 | LinusN | i wonder why they registered at all |
| 10:38:16 | LinusN | also, i think we should start enforcing the RealName rule |
| 10:38:25 | petur | was there a hole in twiki and is it fixed? |
| 10:38:39 | LinusN | there was a hole in our apache config |
| 10:39:11 | LinusN | allowing php script execution in the attachment dir |
| 10:39:23 | petur | ouch |
| 10:39:31 | LinusN | it had been there for a loooong time |
| 10:43:18 | t0mas | maybe you should check on the apache config and rights anyway? |
| 10:43:32 | t0mas | last time there was a twiki hole somebody ereased the whole wiki... |
| 10:43:36 | t0mas | and now this.. |
| 10:43:57 | JdGordon | LinusN: whats the point of removing them? so big deal if they never edit anything? |
| 10:44:45 | LinusN | because it helps us manage the users and to cope with spammers |
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| 10:50:39 | sslashes | is there any way to give the playback thread proceedence over the ui thread so music does not stutter or pause durring intensive directory scrolling? |
| 10:50:55 | sslashes | (i am working on an ipod g5) |
| 10:51:28 | sslashes | i woudl much rather the ui slowed and/or stopped instead of the music |
| 10:51:51 | sslashes | furthermore, any news ok the wiki? |
| 10:52:04 | sslashes | (preferable good news) |
| 10:52:23 | petur | [10:35] <LinusN> i'm about to bring the wiki back up |
| 10:53:10 | sslashes | petur: ooh, sounds great =P |
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| 10:53:30 | * | sslashes checks the todays logs for more info |
| 10:53:32 | petur | sslashes: afaik, there is no priority system in the thread scheduler |
| 10:54:37 | sslashes | ouch |
| 10:55:06 | Slasheri | and the threading is not pre-emptive |
| 10:55:11 | LinusN | the scheduler is purely cooperative |
| 10:55:29 | sslashes | maybe after some optomizations on the ipod line after the 3.0 release... |
| 10:55:38 | * | sslashes thinks about downloading the source and playing with it |
| 10:57:31 | sharpe | hooray for round-robin scheduling... |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:22 | petur | adding priorities wouldn't be that hard |
| 11:00:39 | sharpe | blasphemy! |
| 11:00:44 | sharpe | :) |
| 11:00:46 | sslashes | sharpe: heh |
| 11:00:51 | petur | it could even reduce boost ratio |
| 11:01:11 | sharpe | indeed. |
| 11:01:38 | petur | at the risk of a slower gui :/ |
| 11:02:13 | sharpe | could even possibly implement an option to turn on/off thread priority |
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| 11:02:55 | sslashes | perhaps an option as to what to give priority to |
| 11:04:18 | petur | a system just like the boost calls, to ask for certain threads to get scheduled often |
| 11:04:43 | sharpe | lets implement them all! |
| 11:05:48 | petur | but really, the cause of the current problem should be fixed iso doing work-arounds |
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| 11:06:46 | * | sslashes wonders how difficult it would be to implement an Apple Accessory Protocol system |
| 11:06:51 | * | sslashes give in and downloads the source |
| 11:07:04 | * | petur points to IPL |
| 11:07:15 | sharpe | probably as hard as it would be understanding the protocol. |
| 11:07:45 | sslashes | heh |
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| 11:08:31 | linuxstb_ | The hard part is writing the hardware driver to access the serial port. The IPL devs have attempted it, but couldn't get it talking to anything. |
| 11:09:28 | linuxstb_ | And as I'm sure you know, there is no hardware documentation - the only source of info is disassembling the Apple firmware. |
| 11:09:38 | sharpe | well, have they tried talking to it, like a rational human being? i mean, you wouldn't want to be ordered around without even a 'hi,' would you? |
| 11:09:47 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 11:11:00 | * | sslashes thinks about slapping sharpe with a large troute, then relizes he has not been here long enough to do that =P |
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| 11:11:25 | sharpe | who hasn't been here long enough? |
| 11:11:42 | linuxstb_ | The trout. |
| 11:11:51 | sharpe | ah. |
| 11:12:17 | * | petur expected that answer |
| 11:12:40 | * | sharpe is attempting to find out if there is a specific name for a baby trout. |
| 11:12:55 | petur | yes there is |
| 11:12:58 | sharpe | other than, fish. |
| 11:13:07 | petur | most are called 'sharpe' |
| 11:13:10 | petur | :p |
| 11:13:34 | sharpe | god. now even petur hates me. first scorche, then midkay, now petur. where will it end?! |
| 11:14:33 | sslashes | sharpe: http://goolsby.technologyinfusion.org/images/more%20babies%20210%20001med.jpg << that is apparently what you are |
| 11:14:59 | sharpe | eggie things. |
| 11:15:29 | petur | eggie things are round, not sharp |
| 11:15:44 | sslashes | will it ever end... |
| 11:15:46 | sslashes | =P |
| 11:16:00 | sharpe | everything in that picture looks round to me... |
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| 11:17:15 | sharpe | i can't do memory management implementations for an operating system (x86 architecture). |
| 11:21:32 | sharpe | oh well. goodnight everyone. |
| 11:26:37 | safetydan | boy there's a lot of patches in the tracker these days |
| 11:27:11 | petur | you haven't looked at the feature request then ;) |
| 11:28:28 | safetydan | oo... someone cleaned up my copy and paste code for me |
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| 11:59:16 | Loeckchen | heyho |
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| 12:00:36 | LinusN | hohey |
| 12:06:07 | Loeckchen | is it common for 4g ipods when having rockbox installend and being switched off, that battery is dead the day after? |
| 12:06:24 | Loeckchen | yesterday i switched off the ipod and today morning battery was dead |
| 12:06:39 | Loeckchen | it's currently charging |
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| 12:09:39 | Loeckchen | or could it be that i had the ipod in my pocket and while coming home accidentally pressed a key and switched it on? |
| 12:10:35 | JdGordon | can i bug some1 to commit the reminaing patches from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 so that task can be closed? |
| 12:10:46 | LinusN | wow! there are 603 users in twiki that haven't edited a single topic |
| 12:11:01 | JdGordon | out of how many? |
| 12:11:31 | Loeckchen | twiki is online again? |
| 12:12:38 | LinusN | Loeckchen: soon |
| 12:12:52 | JdGordon | and should bugs like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5646 be closed in the hope we get closer to 0 open bugs? :D |
| 12:13:08 | LinusN | JdGordon: out of 1083 |
| 12:13:42 | JdGordon | damn! |
| 12:13:59 | LinusN | speaking of bug reports, i don't like the tone of some of bluebrothers comments |
| 12:14:11 | Loeckchen | mh i also have problems with today's ipod4g build |
| 12:14:29 | Loeckchen | after the loading screen sometimes the rockbox logo appears and then the thing hangs |
| 12:14:32 | JdGordon | nicely let him know? or ban his ass :D |
| 12:14:42 | Loeckchen | sometimes it hangs even before displaying the rockbox logo |
| 12:14:57 | Loeckchen | i have now gone back to yesterday's build which works fine |
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| 12:28:38 | Bg3r | petur ? |
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| 12:30:26 | midkay | hahaha. |
| 12:30:30 | midkay | JdGordon. |
| 12:30:33 | midkay | such a joker. |
| 12:30:42 | * | JdGordon is? |
| 12:30:51 | midkay | yes! |
| 12:31:55 | JdGordon | :( |
| 12:32:17 | * | JdGordon is a bit confused... which of my msgs are u refering to? |
| 12:32:17 | midkay | what. |
| 12:32:21 | midkay | that's a compliment. |
| 12:32:24 | JdGordon | ...or just in general? |
| 12:32:36 | midkay | "nicely let him know? or ban his ass :D" |
| 12:32:44 | JdGordon | ah ok... :D |
| 12:32:49 | midkay | just wanted you to know that had me in a small fit of laughter |
| 12:32:51 | midkay | !!! |
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| 12:33:18 | JdGordon | can i use the excuse english isnt my first language and we'll all forget the whole thing.... ? |
| 12:33:24 | * | JdGordon does the shifty eyes thing... |
| 12:33:36 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:33:53 | Bg3r | midkay maybe the problem is that your comments look too serious:P |
| 12:33:53 | * | midkay votes for ban |
| 12:34:07 | midkay | :( |
| 12:34:12 | midkay | is that an insult Bg3r. |
| 12:34:17 | midkay | i thought we were friends. best friends. |
| 12:34:27 | midkay | inseperable. |
| 12:34:27 | Bg3r | :D i suppose we were :D |
| 12:34:31 | midkay | were. haha. |
| 12:34:32 | midkay | bastard. |
| 12:34:39 | Bg3r | b.tch :D |
| 12:34:44 | midkay | haha. |
| 12:34:47 | JdGordon | u missed the *sharpe is now know as Bg3r* msg a bit ago |
| 12:34:50 | midkay | Bg3r is also amusing. |
| 12:34:54 | midkay | what. |
| 12:34:57 | JdGordon | hehehe |
| 12:34:57 | midkay | oh. |
| 12:35:01 | midkay | Bg3r sucks. |
| 12:35:09 | midkay | wait. |
| 12:35:10 | Bg3r | so much sentences, so much dots |
| 12:35:11 | midkay | that's not sharpe. |
| 12:35:16 | JdGordon | hahaha |
| 12:35:18 | Bg3r | s/so much/so many |
| 12:35:21 | midkay | i still love you Bg3r. never mind. |
| 12:35:32 | midkay | this loser JdGordon wants to separate us or something. |
| 12:35:52 | Bg3r | i forgive you, midkay |
| 12:35:53 | midkay | brb! |
| 12:36:00 | midkay | i <3 u 2. |
| 12:36:04 | JdGordon | aaawwwww |
| 12:36:12 | midkay | :DDDDDD |
| 12:40:30 | JdGordon | going back to the prioritising the audio thread, would it be better to make the list code yield more often than it does? |
| 12:41:37 | aliask | petur: where should i be looking in the source to find where the record function does the writing to the disk? |
| 12:42:31 | aliask | Or anyone that knows for that matter... |
| 12:42:52 | Bg3r | apps/recorder/recording.c ? |
| 12:43:06 | aliask | That just looks like it's filled with dummy functions... |
| 12:43:24 | aliask | Unless there's something going on I don't know about... |
| 12:44:44 | Bg3r | line 517 in cvs's record.c |
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| 12:45:14 | Bg3r | the dummy functions are for the simulator |
| 12:46:17 | Bg3r | hm |
| 12:48:03 | Bg3r | firmware/pcm_record.c ? |
| 12:48:06 | aliask | Where does audio_record lead, if not in the current file? I grepped the /recorder/ directory, and the only function by that name is the simulator dummy one. (Sorry to be a pain, but I'm so curious as to how this is working...) |
| 12:48:35 | Bg3r | or firmware/mpeg.c for the units with hardware [en|de]coding |
| 12:48:51 | aliask | Ah, thankyou very much Bg3r |
| 12:49:03 | Bg3r | hehe for nothing |
| 12:49:10 | Bg3r | 10x goes to find & grep |
| 12:49:29 | aliask | Well I could hardly be hunting a bug without looking at the relevent code... |
| 12:49:39 | JdGordon | would it be possible to add a timeout to a boost call? so a function to call cpu_boost(true,HZ); (for example) to boost the cpu for 1 sec so it doesnt have to manually call cpu_boost(false); ? |
| 12:50:21 | Bg3r | why would you want it ? |
| 12:51:04 | JdGordon | for stuff like button loops so u could call tell it to boost and not have to worry about disableing it, make things easier... |
| 12:51:59 | LinusN | i'd say that it would make debugging harder |
| 12:52:04 | Bg3r | but how would you know how much time will be enough for the cpu to do the specific thing |
| 12:53:26 | JdGordon | hmm... ye, i guess i didnt tihnk that 1 through enough |
| 12:53:34 | * | JdGordon goes back to drawing board |
| 12:54:19 | Slasheri | another thing which could be added as an option, would be to spin-up hd when user starts browsing so the disk would be ready when selecting the actual song |
| 12:58:28 | LinusN | wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the dir cache? |
| 12:59:20 | JdGordon | yes and no.. dir cache would still show the directories faster |
| 12:59:41 | dongs | lol, hd |
| 12:59:48 | JdGordon | it would possibly be a good alternative tho for ppl who dont care about the batt and do care about wased ram |
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| 13:01:50 | Slasheri | might be, partially. but it might still be a good alternative for some situations |
| 13:03:06 | * | petur returns |
| 13:04:10 | JdGordon | i tinhk the playback stalling in the list is a bigger annoyance |
| 13:05:12 | JdGordon | result = -5 after dumping a new rockbox.iriver onto the h300?? |
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| 13:07:18 | CreativePony | is there any option for a unixy girl to get an iRiver firmware patched? I don't like rebooting to windows, because it takes a bunch of other peoples terminals offline :/ |
| 13:07:34 | JdGordon | which iriver? |
| 13:07:57 | CreativePony | H140 |
| 13:08:02 | CreativePony | US |
| 13:08:18 | JdGordon | tried the patcher under wine? i dunno if there is a nix version |
| 13:08:24 | JdGordon | id guess there would be |
| 13:08:26 | petur | aliask: did you find what you were looking for? |
| 13:08:38 | petur | Bg3r: you called? |
| 13:08:38 | aliask | Yeah, thanks for getting back to me though :) |
| 13:08:44 | CreativePony | No not yet, i'm scared the pater would report success but have messed something up somewhere, and give me a dead player |
| 13:09:06 | Bg3r | petur yeah, about your comment on F#5653 |
| 13:09:14 | Bg3r | but i posted another comment |
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| 13:09:47 | Bg3r | CreativePony use mkboot utility in the tools/ dir |
| 13:10:03 | Bg3r | ops |
| 13:10:16 | Bg3r | yep, the same |
| 13:10:28 | Bg3r | first do a make in the tools dir |
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| 13:11:04 | CreativePony | Hows that work? |
| 13:11:17 | petur | Bg3r: I know what you mean there, it's just that keeping the drive spinning will eat battery big time, so maybe it needs both: if slideshow time > n seconds shut down disk immediately, else keep it running |
| 13:11:49 | safetydan | Is it possible in rockbox for write() to write less than the given number of bytes? |
| 13:11:56 | Bg3r | petur yep |
| 13:12:22 | CreativePony | and just where is the tools directory? |
| 13:12:22 | Bg3r | safetydan write error (disk full/bad sectors?) |
| 13:12:48 | Bg3r | CreativePony do you have a copy of the cvs repository |
| 13:12:59 | * | JdGordon gives up |
| 13:13:09 | CreativePony | no.. i just downloaded one of the latest daily builds |
| 13:13:41 | CreativePony | i don't intend to compile anything.. this computer doesn't have compiling tools installed anyway.. everything comes in neat little .deb packages.. |
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| 13:15:08 | CreativePony | I have the mkboot system tool.. i just have no idea how to use it or what it does or how its relevent to installing a bootloader in to an iriver's flash? |
| 13:15:16 | CreativePony | and no idea where this tools directory is |
| 13:15:18 | Bg3r | nothing |
| 13:15:35 | safetydan | Bg3r, write error would return -1 and set errno |
| 13:16:29 | JdGordon | CreativePony: u need the h100 iriver firwware and the h100 bootloader files to run it |
| 13:16:51 | CreativePony | I have a h140 not h100, the two use different firmwares |
| 13:17:18 | JdGordon | ok, then substitute 140 for 100 in my msg |
| 13:18:22 | CreativePony | the docs i'm reading say I need to run an fwpatcher.exe windows program against the official firmware first.. |
| 13:18:36 | CreativePony | the pdf manual from the rockbox site |
| 13:18:47 | Bg3r | CreativePony i can supply u a patched h300 1.29k firmware (with bootloader v5) |
| 13:18:56 | Bg3r | but my connection is terribly slow |
| 13:19:06 | JdGordon | CreativePony is after h140 tho |
| 13:19:36 | JdGordon | CreativePony: install wine and fwpatcher should run fine |
| 13:19:44 | Bg3r | aa |
| 13:19:46 | CreativePony | .. okay |
| 13:19:46 | Bg3r | hah |
| 13:19:48 | Bg3r | sorry |
| 13:19:54 | Bg3r | i don't have for H1xx |
| 13:19:57 | CreativePony | wine is already set up |
| 13:20:13 | JdGordon | then u shuold be able to use it fwpatcher with no probs... |
| 13:20:55 | JdGordon | midkay: your the useless stuff committer.... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191 .... |
| 13:21:04 | * | CreativePony has trouble trusting people who abrieviate so much.. it usually means they're too busy and distracted to consider things properly, or stupid o^ |
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| 13:22:36 | JdGordon | ... or just lazy |
| 13:23:11 | CreativePony | ya, that too o^ |
| 13:24:23 | * | CreativePony hmms |
| 13:24:31 | CreativePony | fwpatcher seemed to run okay in wine |
| 13:24:50 | CreativePony | do people lose iRivers much these days? its pretty safe right? |
| 13:25:07 | |apo| | <@apo> School was great. First two lessons sport, then one lesson theology, then Latin - we wen't outside for that. During the lesson we asked if we're allowed to go buy some beer. |
| 13:25:07 | |apo| | <@apo> "No, are you crazy? But if you wanna take a leak, that's okay" - "Okay, we gotta take a leak *run off*" |
| 13:25:07 | |apo| | <@apo> Ten minutes later we came back with one box Gaas-seidla and a bottle Kapuziner Weizen (Latin teacher's favourite) |
| 13:25:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK |apo| |
| 13:25:07 | |apo| | <@apo> Then we went into the stadium and drank beer and started singing songs & playing them on a guitar ^^ |
| 13:25:08 | |apo| | :D |
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| 13:25:48 | |apo| | < Got three bottles. :) |
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| 13:26:37 | * | CreativePony connects her iRiver to the life support.. aka usb.. and sudenly all the music in the room vanishes dramatically, as her beloved mp3 player prepares for a new, and hopefully better life |
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| 13:26:51 | CreativePony | soo.. nobody's going to tell me how safe it is then? |
| 13:27:05 | JdGordon | youve got a 99% chance |
| 13:27:09 | JdGordon | of success |
| 13:27:15 | CreativePony | okay :) |
| 13:27:17 | JdGordon | fully briking your player |
| 13:27:18 | JdGordon | :D |
| 13:27:44 | CreativePony | o_o |
| 13:28:13 | CreativePony | seriously now.. |
| 13:28:15 | safetydan | I don't think anyone's actually bricked a player have they? |
| 13:28:27 | Bg3r | CreativePony btw don't flash the player if the battery is going flat |
| 13:28:43 | CreativePony | the battery is on 3 out of 4, and its hooked in to the charger |
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| 13:29:24 | MrWHO | Hello everyone! |
| 13:29:25 | * | CreativePony hovers her finger over the firmware upgrade screen |
| 13:29:32 | CreativePony | i click yes now? |
| 13:29:41 | PaulJam | CreativePony: to be sure the fwpatcher wirked, you could compare the md5 in the wiki with the actual md5 of the .hex file. |
| 13:29:53 | CreativePony | except the wiki is down.. |
| 13:29:57 | JdGordon | doesnt fwpatcher check the md5 internally? |
| 13:30:04 | PaulJam | google cache |
| 13:30:25 | * | MrWHO wonders if there is an available document describing the original apple fw format |
| 13:30:35 | MrWHO | ...to do some disassembling... |
| 13:31:14 | CreativePony | the cache isn't working for me |
| 13:31:24 | MrWHO | I think, at least the resources part, has a fat16 layout in it.. |
| 13:31:30 | MrWHO | ...does it? |
| 13:32:50 | PaulJam | CreativePony: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:pL1Jg14TmDMJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot%3Fskin%3Dprint%26sortcol%3D1%26table%3D4%26up%3D0+site:www.rockbox.org+IriverBoot&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=4 |
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| 13:33:34 | CreativePony | ooh thanks |
| 13:34:31 | fabbari | Do I take that silence as a "no" ? :) |
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| 13:36:27 | CreativePony | checksums check out |
| 13:37:12 | * | CreativePony upgrades firmware |
| 13:38:19 | CreativePony | yay! no brick! :) |
| 13:41:22 | fabbari | Anyone? |
| 13:42:16 | CreativePony | ooh cool, plays vorbis! all my music's in vorbis! |
| 13:42:38 | CreativePony | whats the thing you do if you just want it to boot in to official firmware without uninstalling rockbox? |
| 13:43:03 | PaulJam | hold record and play to boot |
| 13:43:37 | * | CreativePony plays with the pitch function! fun! |
| 13:44:13 | safetydan | fabbari, try poking around the wiki, or even look at the iPod Linux wiki, they might have it documented |
| 13:44:40 | CreativePony | woah, fading backlight |
| 13:44:44 | CreativePony | this is so neat |
| 13:44:51 | CreativePony | thank you everyone who made this exist! |
| 13:47:24 | safetydan | Curse this frail, human body's need for sleep. |
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| 13:47:31 | fabbari | safety: tried ..not much info... |
| 13:47:48 | fabbari | safety: ...anyhow... I just managed to mount the firmware as a filesystem |
| 13:48:19 | fabbari | safety: the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin, skipped the first 2x256 blocks is a fat file system |
| 13:49:37 | JdGordon | line 385 in main.c is redundant, and might speed up load by 0.000000001ms if its removed.. (settings_reset(); is called by a keypress on boot... not needed because user settings arent loaded yet and setting_reset(); is called already anyway) |
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| 13:58:30 | SliMM | hello |
| 13:58:36 | SliMM | hello |
| 13:58:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK SliMM |
| 13:58:43 | SliMM | hello |
| 13:58:55 | SliMM | damn |
| 13:59:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:59:04 | * | petur switches off the echo device |
| 13:59:05 | aliask | ? |
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| 14:15:08 | SliMM | hello |
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| 14:15:29 | SliMM | ? |
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| 14:20:40 | petur | SliMM? |
| 14:20:54 | SliMM | yes? |
| 14:21:38 | linuxstb_ | fabbari: The apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file is the firmware that runs on the Broadcom chip. Have fun disassembling that (AFAIK, the instruction set of that processor is unknown, but possibly MIPS in origin). |
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| 14:22:08 | linuxstb_ | The apple_os.bin is the "normal" ipod firmware which is just arm7tdmi code. |
| 14:24:22 | SliMM | HEY!!! |
| 14:24:57 | JdGordon | SliMM: do u want anything other than attention? |
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| 14:25:51 | SliMM | yes |
| 14:25:54 | SliMM | well |
| 14:26:15 | JdGordon | then spit it out or ssshh.... big ppl are trying to talk |
| 14:26:16 | fabbari | linuxstb: yep... notice that... |
| 14:26:42 | * | petur looks down to JdGordon |
| 14:26:43 | fabbari | linuxstb:...it is interesting to look at it though... |
| 14:26:49 | SliMM | wait just 2 sec |
| 14:27:02 | SliMM | i have to think how to ask :) |
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| 14:28:35 | SliMM | how can i make mp3s aviable for the original ipod firmware without dropping them into itunes? |
| 14:29:06 | SliMM | and without copying them in the ipod_control folder |
| 14:29:21 | linuxstb_ | You can't. |
| 14:29:57 | SliMM | that's sad.. |
| 14:30:00 | SliMM | 10x |
| 14:30:23 | linuxstb_ | Not really. |
| 14:30:31 | PaulJam | there are programs to create an itunes db for files that were transferred with a normal filemanager |
| 14:30:44 | SliMM | yes |
| 14:30:48 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but with harsh restrictions on filename length making it pointless. |
| 14:30:56 | SliMM | that's what i've been looking for |
| 14:30:59 | PaulJam | thre is a plugin for foobar2000 |
| 14:31:09 | linuxstb_ | And they probably break every time Apple update the database format. |
| 14:31:47 | linuxstb_ | From what I've read, foo_pod very rarely worked (at least on the newer ipods), and is now abandoned. |
| 14:31:51 | SliMM | well.. it doesn't really matter |
| 14:32:44 | SliMM | i don't know how to compile foo_pod anyway :D |
| 14:32:45 | ravon | Anyone who is a busybox ash guru? |
| 14:33:02 | SliMM | another question |
| 14:33:17 | SliMM | how can i create plug-ins for rockbox? |
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| 14:33:57 | linuxstb_ | Write your .c file, put it in the apps/plugins directory, and add the name of your .c file to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 14:34:27 | linuxstb_ | To help, there is an helloworld.c example, plus all the existing plugins. |
| 14:34:52 | Membrillo | God bless rockbox and its battery amplification powers... 35hr 21min on my h300! |
| 14:35:03 | SliMM | i don't really know how to configure cvs :D |
| 14:35:38 | linuxstb_ | Can you program in C? |
| 14:37:06 | SliMM | i'm quite a novice |
| 14:37:29 | SliMM | i have only programmed console applications in c |
| 14:38:24 | SliMM | i saw the link on the rockbox page |
| 14:38:31 | SliMM | about how to use cvs |
| 14:38:45 | SliMM | i've seen* |
| 14:39:09 | SliMM | but.. |
| 14:39:28 | SliMM | i have to wait until the twicki is back |
| 14:40:38 | PaulJam | SliMM: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:1bc6n5fhzvcJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS%3Fskin%3Dprint+site:www.rockbox.org+usingcvs&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2 |
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| 14:41:08 | SliMM | good ide :D |
| 14:41:15 | SliMM | idea * |
| 14:41:18 | SliMM | 10x |
| 14:43:00 | frando | hello, I just installed cvs-060712 on my ipod 4g. followed instructions correctly. Then I unplugged the ipod from the usb port and started the device. Rockbox started booting, and now it's showing the rockbox logo for about 5 min, and nothing is happening when i push a button. My computer is not recognizing it if I'm plugging it into the usb port. Any ideas? |
| 14:43:18 | frando | sorry, I meant 060713, not 12 |
| 14:44:51 | SliMM | do the cvs work with ms vc++ 2005? |
| 14:45:48 | PaulJam | frando: if it is a g4 greyscale ipod, maybe this bug is still there: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5332 |
| 14:46:12 | frando | it is a 4g greycale ipod |
| 14:46:13 | frando | might be |
| 14:46:39 | frando | but what to do now? my ipod is just showing the splash screen |
| 14:46:44 | frando | how can I turn it off? |
| 14:47:01 | frando | cause the computer is not recognizing |
| 14:47:03 | frando | it |
| 14:47:08 | frando | or what else should i do? |
| 14:47:31 | PaulJam | there is a buttoncombo to reset it, but i don't know it. |
| 14:47:50 | frando | hmm |
| 14:47:55 | frando | the wiki's down .. |
| 14:48:08 | fabbari | Select Menu |
| 14:48:24 | fabbari | Keep pressed Select (Central button) and Menu |
| 14:48:30 | fabbari | ..it will reboot... |
| 14:49:33 | frando | ok, thanks a lot, at least it's rebooting now |
| 14:49:43 | frando | ... and again hanging at the splash screen |
| 14:49:52 | fabbari | eheh |
| 14:50:04 | fabbari | ...try booting back to the original firmware |
| 14:50:30 | frando | what was the combo again? |
| 14:50:38 | fabbari | Select and Menu |
| 14:50:46 | fabbari | When it reboots keep Menu presses |
| 14:50:50 | fabbari | * pressed |
| 14:50:53 | frando | ok, i'll try |
| 14:51:24 | frando | ok, at least I'm back in the apple firmware now |
| 14:51:27 | frando | thanks guys |
| 14:51:35 | frando | any ideas how to get rockbox running on my ipod? |
| 14:51:44 | frando | most of my music collection is ogg ;) |
| 14:52:10 | SliMM | yes |
| 14:52:10 | fabbari | It should have worked if you did the installation properly... |
| 14:52:21 | SliMM | frando |
| 14:52:26 | PaulJam | try a build from 060509. it is a little bit old, but it propably works |
| 14:52:40 | frando | hmm, i did the installation properly |
| 14:52:41 | SliMM | just search google for that |
| 14:52:47 | frando | their did no errors occur |
| 14:52:51 | fabbari | Ok.. than it's bad luck! ,) |
| 14:52:56 | SliMM | and take a look at a cached version of th wiki |
| 14:53:07 | frando | yeah, i'll try google cache |
| 14:53:57 | SliMM | pls someone help me with cvs |
| 14:55:40 | SliMM | anyone |
| 14:57:29 | PaulJam | how should someone know if he can help you if he doesn't know your problem? so just ask and wait until someone answers. |
| 14:57:41 | | Part cybersense |
| 14:58:49 | SliMM | well this is my problem: i don't know how to use cvs |
| 14:59:01 | frando | are you using linux or windows? |
| 14:59:09 | SliMM | windows :( |
| 14:59:28 | frando | by the way, has anyone an idea what i could try with my ipod 4g greyscale apart from trying to use an older version? |
| 14:59:29 | frando | ok |
| 14:59:41 | frando | SliMM: download tortoisecvs |
| 14:59:56 | frando | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:13 | frando | it's propably the simplest way to use cvs on windows |
| 15:00:20 | petur | it is |
| 15:00:25 | SliMM | 10x |
| 15:00:35 | * | petur hugs the tortoise ;) |
| 15:00:38 | SliMM | so will ms vc++ 2005 work? |
| 15:00:41 | PaulJam | frando: fix the bug :P or maybe you can find a solution for your problem in the forums. |
| 15:00:47 | frando | what has that to do with cvs? |
| 15:01:00 | SliMM | don't i need a compiler? |
| 15:01:38 | frando | for tortoisecvs? no, you can just download the binaries.. |
| 15:01:48 | petur | SliMM: any editor will do, but mc vc++ adds cr-lf lineendings and must be configured properly to insert spaces iso tabs |
| 15:01:54 | PaulJam | the recommended way to compile under windows is to use the vmware image (or cygwin) |
| 15:02:35 | linuxstb_ | frando: Someone reported the same problem with today's build a couple of hours ago (in this channel). He/she said that yesterday's build (2006-07-12) works fine. |
| 15:02:38 | SliMM | uhm... right? |
| 15:02:58 | frando | linuxstb_: thanks, i'll try immediately |
| 15:04:58 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: (or anyone that knows) Are the daily builds built via the distributed build system, or are they all done locally? |
| 15:07:16 | SliMM | brb, i have to restart my computer :) |
| 15:07:49 | CreativePony | Pony's curious, is there already, or the possibility of a h140 being a usb host to a usb mass storage device, to copy stuff off it? |
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| 15:08:28 | petur | h1x0 can't |
| 15:08:29 | linuxstb_ | No possibility - the hardware doesn't support it. |
| 15:09:10 | petur | the h3x0 series have a usbotg port (iaudio x5 has one too) |
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| 15:22:10 | * | linuxstb_ notices some worrying WMA news from marsdaddy in the forums |
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| 15:22:57 | SliMM | back |
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| 15:36:27 | Jungti1234 | hi |
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| 15:39:23 | SliMM | so |
| 15:39:51 | SliMM | how do i compile my rockbox build? |
| 15:40:00 | SliMM | :d |
| 15:40:42 | PaulJam | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:UQ43A5Ydz3YJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling+site:www.rockbox.org+simpleguidetocompiling&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
| 15:40:54 | SliMM | 10x |
| 15:41:09 | SliMM | i saw smth at tha languages |
| 15:41:28 | SliMM | 'romaneste' isn't a noun |
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| 15:42:24 | SliMM | 'romana' is thae nown that should be used for the language file |
| 15:42:52 | SliMM | my keyboard is broken, sorry for the wrong typing |
| 15:43:39 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
| 15:44:04 | Jungti1234 | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/SimpleGuideToCompiling-r1.86%20-%2009-01.html">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/SimpleGuideToCompiling-r1.86%20-%2009-01.html |
| 15:44:15 | Jungti1234 | backup data |
| 15:45:02 | petur | old backup data |
| 15:45:08 | Jungti1234 | ah.. :) |
| 15:45:16 | Jungti1234 | but.. 2009-01? |
| 15:45:45 | petur | from the previous wiki hack |
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| 15:45:56 | Jungti1234 | hehehe.. |
| 15:46:04 | linuxstb_ | %20 = a space character. 09-01 is probably September 1st. |
| 15:46:13 | linuxstb_ | (2005) |
| 15:46:15 | Jungti1234 | oh... right :) |
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| 15:49:55 | SliMM | gtg, 10x for all the help |
| 15:50:01 | SliMM | good bye |
| 15:50:31 | Jungti1234 | bye |
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| 16:55:25 | shamgar | eta on wiki? |
| 16:55:50 | shamgar | anyone? |
| 16:56:56 | petur | [10:35] <LinusN> i'm about to bring the wiki back up |
| 16:57:06 | petur | seems to take a bit more time |
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| 17:09:05 | shamgar | just wondering |
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| 17:09:36 | shamgar | so has anyone taken up iriver h10? |
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| 17:13:19 | Febs | I should know this but I can't remember: do we support ALAC? |
| 17:14:14 | amiconn | yes |
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| 17:21:20 | breaker | Is anyone working on recording for the iPod? Has anyone looked into the ipodlinux code which supports recording? |
| 17:22:22 | KylePV | yeah, maybe someone could better it and get recording to work for 5G's |
| 17:22:31 | Slasheri | hmm, just wondering if i should start designing the runtime db integrated with tagcache or wait for the feature freeze to end |
| 17:23:13 | KylePV | start designing, so that after the feture freeze we can maybe get it one time |
| 17:24:01 | Slasheri | hmm, true. maybe i will. in the beginning just hiding the feature or marking it as experimental |
| 17:24:17 | KylePV | cool, once it there |
| 17:25:34 | Slasheri | and for units without rtc, it could be possible to use some increasing counter value to give some estimate how long it has been when some song has been played last time |
| 17:26:27 | Slasheri | that way it would be possible to create smart playlists based on last playback time, playback count or the automatic score |
| 17:28:49 | Slasheri | the only hard thing at the moment seems to be how to identify each song.. whether to use the tags or filename but both can change |
| 17:29:07 | KylePV | makin my mout water, start coding :), lol |
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| 17:29:27 | Slasheri | probably i will just use the filename, and automatic changelogs so user can manually update the changelog if moving/renaming files |
| 17:29:31 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
| 17:29:51 | amiconn | tsk |
| 17:29:51 | KylePV | that can lead to problems due to user laziness |
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| 17:31:44 | Slasheri | but all kind of checksums will lead to other problems.. you never can be sure they are unique and taking a checksum from the whole content of a file (only way to be even a little sure of uniqueness) will cause significant delay when adding files to tagcache |
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| 17:40:52 | PaulJam | Wouldn't it be possible to make a checksum of only a part of the files for example only the first few kB of actual compressed audio data? |
| 17:47:13 | linuxstb_ | breaker: I'm planning on implementing ipod recording after 3.0 is released. |
| 17:48:31 | linuxstb_ | Slasheri: Regarding the tagcache virtual filesystem, have you thought about how to handle a "/" in the tag? |
| 17:49:18 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: ah, hmm no :) |
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| 17:49:51 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yep, but then there is the risk of having same checksum for several files |
| 17:50:12 | Slasheri | for example raw wav data with silence at the beginning, or different mixes etc. |
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| 17:51:32 | * | linuxstb_ has FLAC files with a nice MD5 checksum of the uncompressed PCM data already stored in the header... |
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| 17:54:12 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: that is nice, but unfortunately not all formats have that |
| 17:54:31 | PaulJam | maybe i is possible to detect silence at the beginning without actually decoding the file and skipping the silent part. for the different mixes i have no idea. can it really be that they have the exact same bits in the strat of the song? |
| 17:54:45 | Slasheri | and having the checksum for only data itself is good because that way tags can be modified without changing the checksum itself |
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| 17:55:23 | Slasheri | PaulJam: or take samples from different locations from file and generate the checksum using that data |
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| 17:56:04 | linuxstb_ | Or just a block of data from the middle... |
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| 17:56:19 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: yep, that might be quite good idea to try |
| 17:56:55 | linuxstb_ | But you still need to completely parse any headers at both the start and end of the file to find the start and end points of the audio data in the file. |
| 17:57:04 | Slasheri | block from the middle of file with a fixed align |
| 17:57:28 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: hmm, it might be better to just use the filesize instead.. and the fixed align |
| 17:57:44 | linuxstb_ | But then when the headers change, the checksum will change... |
| 17:57:53 | Slasheri | no it wont |
| 17:58:00 | Slasheri | unless the headers are in middle of the file :) |
| 17:58:17 | linuxstb_ | What do you mean by filesize then? If the headers change, the filesize changes... |
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| 17:58:31 | Slasheri | yep, but with fixed align that wont be a problem |
| 17:58:37 | Slasheri | unless the change is significant |
| 17:58:40 | linuxstb_ | OK, so what do you mean by fixed align? |
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| 17:59:13 | breaker | ID3V2 tags in mp3 files are at the beginning. So it is possible to change the header and the "middle" of the file also changes. |
| 17:59:30 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: ah, in fact you are correct.. |
| 17:59:40 | Slasheri | as the data itself might move in file also? |
| 17:59:47 | breaker | yes. |
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| 18:00:24 | linuxstb_ | Which is why you would need to at least read all the headers at the start of the file, and probably any at the end as well. |
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| 18:01:26 | Slasheri | true.. i wonder if metadata parser already supports reporting the data start position for all supported file types |
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| 18:25:40 | Jungti1234 | hey |
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| 18:26:55 | Jungti1234 | How can I use A-B repeat? |
| 18:27:44 | Jungti1234 | anyone? |
| 18:27:46 | PaulJam | change the repeat mode in the quichscreen to a-b repeat |
| 18:27:57 | Jungti1234 | only quickscreen? |
| 18:28:16 | PaulJam | or in the playback menu |
| 18:28:26 | Jungti1234 | It has problem. |
| 18:28:29 | Jungti1234 | quickscreen. |
| 18:28:43 | Jungti1234 | It doesn't support unicode. |
| 18:29:21 | Jungti1234 | anyway, thanks |
| 18:29:25 | PaulJam | you can also set it in menu => general settings => playback => repeat |
| 18:29:30 | Jungti1234 | ahh |
| 18:29:50 | Jungti1234 | and What is button that can use it? |
| 18:29:56 | Jungti1234 | A-B? |
| 18:30:09 | Jungti1234 | my player is iriver h300 |
| 18:31:30 | PaulJam | play + >>| sets the end mark and play + |<< sets the start mark (i think) |
| 18:31:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, I was just typing that. |
| 18:31:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | According to the manual at least, that's how you use it. |
| 18:31:56 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 18:32:17 | Jungti1234 | VERY DIFFICULT. |
| 18:32:30 | Jungti1234 | Uncomfortable UI... |
| 18:34:58 | PaulJam | if you have an idea how to improve it without loosing consistency or limiting functionality then please share it. |
| 18:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many people like the ability to independently set both the A and B point, rather than the old way of one button setting both. |
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| 18:37:09 | Jungti1234 | Why doesn't work recording button? |
| 18:37:18 | Jungti1234 | Use it. |
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| 18:37:34 | Jungti1234 | Menu button is recording button |
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| 18:37:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the Recording button is likely to be used for recording eventually. |
| 18:37:54 | Jungti1234 | And recording mode if press it for a long time |
| 18:38:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, how does that address the need to be able to set the A and B points separately? |
| 18:38:10 | Jungti1234 | don't know? |
| 18:38:49 | Jungti1234 | Thing which iriver's UI is convenient exists. |
| 18:39:01 | Jungti1234 | We can use a little it. |
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| 18:39:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can't just take away features though. |
| 18:39:33 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 18:39:49 | Jungti1234 | It's just my way of thinking. |
| 18:39:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Take away a feature to make it easier to use? |
| 18:40:17 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? sorry, I don't understand wall english |
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| 18:40:37 | Jungti1234 | well |
| 18:40:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're suggesting that we give people less options, so that it is easier. |
| 18:41:00 | PaulJam | i wouldn't like to see one of the "main" buttons to be used for a feature that propably only a few people would use |
| 18:41:03 | Jungti1234 | less options? |
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| 18:41:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, less options. |
| 18:41:46 | Jungti1234 | what's option? |
| 18:42:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now you can set both the A point and the B point separately. So if you miss the B point, you can re-set it, without having to re-set the A point. With a single-button method, it alternates between the points, so if you set A you HAVE to set B next. |
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| 18:42:16 | Jungti1234 | −− |
| 18:42:19 | Jungti1234 | hahaha... |
| 18:42:30 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 18:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | What is so funny? |
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| 18:42:42 | Jungti1234 | Did you use iriver firmware? |
| 18:42:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 18:43:02 | Jungti1234 | Do you understand its A-B way? |
| 18:43:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | You press the button to set A, then press it to set B, and it loops between them. |
| 18:43:26 | Jungti1234 | then? |
| 18:43:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then what? |
| 18:43:38 | Jungti1234 | Can't Rockbox do it? |
| 18:44:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it's a worse way! |
| 18:44:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm sorry if your translation issues prevent you from understanding, but it limits the options of users for this feature. |
| 18:44:53 | shamgar | if you don't like it can't you just modify the rockbox code yourself? |
| 18:45:14 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 18:45:21 | PaulJam | the majority of users propably can't code |
| 18:45:33 | shamgar | oh yeah |
| 18:45:37 | Jungti1234 | shamgar: sorry.. |
| 18:45:38 | shamgar | those "other" people |
| 18:45:47 | Jungti1234 | I don't know C |
| 18:45:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've heard many people say they like the way our A-B repeat works better than the original. |
| 18:46:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would be unfair to users to take away functionality we've already included in CVS anyway. |
| 18:46:06 | Jungti1234 | So, I'm thankful always to them. |
| 18:46:37 | shamgar | I think its a matter of getting used to it, jung, just try and get used it it you will start to like it |
| 18:47:15 | Jungti1234 | I'm uncomfortable method of USB charge, too. |
| 18:47:19 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: they have done it already in the past (taking away funktionality) |
| 18:47:32 | Jungti1234 | That press two buttons at the same time. |
| 18:47:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: What functionality was removed permanently? |
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| 18:48:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know changes have been made with user complaint, such as the volume being converted to dB, but in actuality that added functionality (or at least, functionally useful feedback from the device). |
| 18:48:53 | PaulJam | the automatic lowering of bass and treble on high volumes to prevent clipping (i really lked it), but it was only for a few days in cvs |
| 18:48:55 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 18:49:28 | shamgar | is anyone interested in working on the iriver h10, I am thinking about getting one, but I don't have much experience hacking hardware |
| 18:49:28 | Jungti1234 | I'm not discontent about it(dB). |
| 18:49:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: Yes, but now you can reproduce the exact same behaviour by lowering it yourself, plus you have access to the full range if you don't mind the possible clipping. While you can argue it was removed functionality, there's an equally valid argument that it added to Rockbox. |
| 18:49:54 | Jungti1234 | Use method is more important than it. |
| 18:51:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: Many people like the two-button method for A-B |
| 18:51:23 | Jungti1234 | If press easily recording button, it can be uncomfortable. |
| 18:51:58 | Jungti1234 | Need to press recording button long to record. |
| 18:52:34 | Jungti1234 | recording button doesn't work now. |
| 18:52:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, the recording button doesn't do anything yet. |
| 18:52:52 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: it was optional. but i don't miss it anymore, i now use config files to change between headphone and line settings, and on headphones i usually don't go over the volume my bassbost is set to. |
| 18:53:10 | Jungti1234 | Iriver's player should like to exchange menu button to recording button. |
| 18:53:14 | Jungti1234 | only iriver. |
| 18:53:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | PaulJam: I didn't remember it being optional. I must've missed that then. |
| 18:53:50 | Jungti1234 | And A-B's function makes like iriver's firmware. |
| 18:54:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: I keep explaining, making A-B work like the iRiver firmware gives the user less control over it. |
| 18:54:17 | Jungti1234 | and show quickscreen if press A-B long. |
| 18:54:36 | Jungti1234 | ? |
| 18:54:43 | Jungti1234 | Take example. |
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| 18:54:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Jungti1234: Set A, then Set B, how do you change B without changing A? |
| 18:55:46 | Jungti1234 | >>l + A-B |
| 18:55:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | In iRiver? |
| 18:56:02 | Jungti1234 | yep |
| 18:56:06 | Jungti1234 | nono |
| 18:56:12 | Jungti1234 | I want.. |
| 18:56:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Only the Play button can combine with other buttons |
| 18:56:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | AND you kept saying to do it like iRiver. |
| 18:56:49 | Jungti1234 | I haven't had complaint to iriver's A-B method. |
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| 18:57:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | With iRiver's A-B, how do you do what I said? |
| 18:57:21 | Jungti1234 | Can't |
| 18:57:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | But with ours you can. |
| 18:57:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you change it to the A-B button, you take that away. |
| 18:57:45 | Jungti1234 | ok, I agree.. but |
| 18:57:57 | Jungti1234 | It can change again. |
| 18:58:02 | Jungti1234 | Play + A-B |
| 18:58:13 | Jungti1234 | For example.. |
| 18:58:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | For A or B? |
| 18:58:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about for the other one? |
| 18:58:22 | Jungti1234 | A |
| 18:58:29 | Jungti1234 | ah |
| 18:58:30 | Jungti1234 | B |
| 18:58:34 | Jungti1234 | for B |
| 18:58:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | So what for A? |
| 18:58:47 | Jungti1234 | hahaha.. |
| 18:59:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, you're describing a much less understandable method now. |
| 18:59:02 | goffa | who's on first? |
| 18:59:04 | Jungti1234 | You thought so many things.... |
| 18:59:57 | Jungti1234 | yep... Rockbox has very convenient UI. |
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| 19:00:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you want to move Menu off of A-B, just press A-B for the A point, and Play+A-B for the B point? |
| 19:00:14 | Jungti1234 | Very convenient. |
| 19:00:27 | Jungti1234 | not complaint. |
| 19:00:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about people who never use the A-B repeat feature? Now that button is being reserved for a small portion of users? |
| 19:00:59 | Jungti1234 | Can't I have complaint about Rockbox at all? |
| 19:01:12 | Jungti1234 | I spoke that it's uncomfortable. |
| 19:01:20 | Jungti1234 | And I spoke my way of thinking only. |
| 19:01:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, and you said you think it should change. |
| 19:01:33 | Jungti1234 | It's my way of thinking ONLY. |
| 19:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shouldn't an idea be explored? |
| 19:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | How can I know whether your idea is better without questioning it and comparing it to the current method? |
| 19:01:58 | Jungti1234 | Is doing now. |
| 19:02:58 | Jungti1234 | ok, I will think it. |
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| 19:04:15 | Jungti1234 | I will think convenient UI much more for Rockbox... |
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| 19:04:43 | Jungti1234 | Thanks Paul. |
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| 19:05:22 | webguest84 | hi all |
| 19:05:26 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hopes that he has not done something he will regret. |
| 19:05:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hola |
| 19:05:43 | webguest84 | need some help |
| 19:05:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ask away |
| 19:06:20 | webguest84 | now that ive heard about rockbox i dont know what mp3 player to buy. iPod 60GB or the iAudio X5L 60GB? |
| 19:06:41 | webguest84 | here's my thread: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10205 |
| 19:07:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why do you refer to the iPod as the partner of Rockbox? |
| 19:07:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It runs on the X5L |
| 19:07:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | And several iRiver players, and several Archoses. |
| 19:07:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | You say that the iPod is slightly ahead in your mind. Why is that? |
| 19:08:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Simply put, if it's ahead, why *not* buy it? |
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| 19:09:45 | linuxstb_ | webguest84: You don't say what you are looking for in an mp3 player... They both run Rockbox, so the software features are identical. The only difference is the hardware capabilities. |
| 19:10:01 | webguest84 | ok i see |
| 19:10:01 | webguest84 | bit |
| 19:10:03 | webguest84 | but* |
| 19:10:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Not only that, but his required "features" are available under Rockbox on either hardware from the looks of it. |
| 19:10:34 | webguest84 | the ipod has a better LCD screen |
| 19:10:35 | linuxstb_ | For example, does video playback matter to you? What about FM radio? |
| 19:10:42 | linuxstb_ | (and recording) |
| 19:10:47 | webguest84 | yes they matter, but for those i can switch to normal firmware? |
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| 19:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the iPod's video playback is much better, of course. |
| 19:11:39 | linuxstb_ | The ipod's the clear winner in terms of video playback, but has no FM radio unless you by an accessory. |
| 19:11:55 | linuxstb_ | And then the FM radio probably wouldn't work with Rockbox. |
| 19:11:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the accessory is much less likely to be supported any time soon, I'd imagine. |
| 19:12:06 | webguest84 | yer |
| 19:12:20 | webguest84 | also the iaudio comes with a remote |
| 19:12:36 | PaulJam | no, but you can buy one |
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| 19:12:43 | linuxstb_ | Is a remote important? I've got a remote with my h120, but never use it. |
| 19:12:46 | webguest84 | for the ipod? |
| 19:13:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have bad luck with H120 remotes. |
| 19:13:13 | linuxstb_ | Yes, you can buy almost anything as an accessory for the ipods... |
| 19:13:13 | webguest84 | was thinking of iriver, but dont have hd bigger than 20gb |
| 19:13:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | 40Gb |
| 19:13:25 | webguest84 | thats another thing, ipod has more accessories |
| 19:13:37 | webguest84 | customed installed hd paul? |
| 19:13:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Accessories that are unlikely to work with Rockbox for quite a while. |
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| 19:13:44 | linuxstb_ | ...because it's missing a lot of features as standard |
| 19:13:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest84: No, the h140 and h340 were 40 gig natively. Customizable to 60. |
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| 19:14:07 | webguest84 | i see but those are dis-continuied? |
| 19:14:17 | linuxstb_ | And also the ipod has ipod-specific accessories because it uses a proprietory connector. Other DAPs just use standard connectors, so generic accessories work. |
| 19:14:30 | PaulJam | there are still places that sell the h340 |
| 19:14:38 | webguest84 | ok |
| 19:14:53 | webguest84 | what would you go for if you were in my posistion |
| 19:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest84: Your best best is to look at the built-in hardware, and decide which one you like better for what you get in the box. |
| 19:15:16 | webguest84 | yer thats whats got me stuck to choose lol |
| 19:15:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ignore firmware options, like what formats it can play, if you're gonna use Rockbox. Just look at the hardware's capabilities. |
| 19:15:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well we can't make the decision for you? I can't say "A radio is more important than a nice screen, buy the X5L" |
| 19:15:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because that's what I'd say. |
| 19:15:52 | webguest84 | thats why i said if you were in my posistion |
| 19:15:53 | webguest84 | :P |
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| 19:18:32 | webguest84 | right now its remote + better format compability + better directory +radio for the X5 Vs ipods better screen, nicer video, nicer interface |
| 19:18:54 | * | Paul_The_Nerd thought you were gonna rockbox it. |
| 19:19:13 | webguest84 | i am |
| 19:19:15 | linuxstb_ | If you're running Rockbox, the difference is "remote + radio" vs "better screen, nicer video" |
| 19:19:20 | webguest84 | but looking at default standards |
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| 19:19:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do believe the X5 records as well, right? Do we know the 5Gs are capable yet? |
| 19:20:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the 5Gs can record. |
| 19:20:20 | webguest84 | o and apparently from what ive read that rockbox is drain on the X5 battery? |
| 19:20:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a drain on both |
| 19:20:44 | webguest84 | i see |
| 19:20:50 | linuxstb_ | I think that's been fixed to some extent on the X5 - there's a patch in the patch tracker which claims to improve battery live. |
| 19:20:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the X5's life has gotten a lot better with a recent patch, I believe |
| 19:20:55 | linuxstb_ | :) |
| 19:21:05 | webguest84 | hmm lol |
| 19:21:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Actually, I believe it was just committed. |
| 19:21:29 | linuxstb_ | The video ipod will run for about 10 hours under Rockbox, and about 15-20 hours I believe under the Apple firmware. I don't know about the X5. |
| 19:21:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well "just" is within the last 18 hours somewhere. |
| 19:21:38 | webguest84 | now i believe the only reason to go for the ipod is the LCD screen size and quality |
| 19:21:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I believe the X5 is reported up to about 15-20 now with the patch, though I haven't seen conclusive benches. |
| 19:22:02 | webguest84 | and i think the X5 supports xvid and divx |
| 19:22:04 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's a nice screen, but if you spend 99% of your time with it in your pocket, is it a big issue? |
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| 19:22:14 | webguest84 | aa true true |
| 19:22:18 | webguest84 | :P |
| 19:22:46 | webguest84 | what mp3 player have you got? |
| 19:22:50 | PaulJam | what i don't like about the x5 is, that the headphone socket is at the side. |
| 19:22:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | On the side? |
| 19:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, that right there could prevent me from buying it entirely, I Think. |
| 19:23:26 | webguest84 | yer ive heard about that |
| 19:23:37 | webguest84 | but aslong as you've got an l-shaped headphone jack |
| 19:23:42 | linuxstb_ | webguest84: An old Archos Recorder v1, ipod Color, ipod Video and iriver H140. I find myself using the H140 the most. |
| 19:23:46 | webguest84 | wonder if the L-shape headphone comes with it |
| 19:24:14 | PaulJam | and i don't like the subpack, but that't the same situation with the ipod |
| 19:24:22 | webguest84 | linuxstb is a big HD a necesitity for you? |
| 19:24:37 | linuxstb_ | Yes - all my music is FLAC, spread over three DAPs :) |
| 19:24:53 | webguest84 | how big is the HD on the H140? |
| 19:24:58 | linuxstb_ | 40GB |
| 19:25:11 | webguest84 | doesn't beat a 60GB though :P |
| 19:25:45 | linuxstb_ | I could replace it. If I could figure out how to break open my ipod Color, I would try swapping the drives (that has a 60GB). |
| 19:26:14 | webguest84 | yer, but im not fan of fiddiling with electronics |
| 19:26:15 | webguest84 | :P |
| 19:26:29 | webguest84 | paul what mp3 player do you have? |
| 19:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Archos Recorder v1, and H120 for HD based ones |
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| 19:27:34 | webguest84 | and if had the choice of swapping it for another one would you? |
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| 19:27:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | My H120? never |
| 19:28:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for an H140 maybe |
| 19:28:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
| 19:28:14 | webguest84 | does it play ogg? |
| 19:28:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | In native firmware and Rockbox, yes. |
| 19:28:36 | webguest84 | nice |
| 19:28:43 | webguest84 | trying to find a 40GB model |
| 19:29:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: I'm sure there are instructions how to open an ipod color |
| 19:29:13 | amiconn | I opened my mini g2 following such instructions |
| 19:29:28 | amiconn | (found on a website which offers replacement batteries) |
| 19:29:42 | linuxstb_ | I've found them, but couldn't follow them... It involved using a plastic tool (which I don't have, so tried improvising) and pressing in secret locations... |
| 19:29:59 | PaulJam | i think newertech has some guides |
| 19:30:07 | webguest27 | hey do u think rockbox will work on 3g iPod? |
| 19:30:36 | linuxstb_ | Yes, if someone with the skills takes up the challenge to finish the port. |
| 19:30:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Will" as in "eventually" or "Will" as in "Now?" |
| 19:30:56 | webguest27 | what does it require? |
| 19:31:04 | webguest27 | skill. |
| 19:31:12 | webguest27 | C? |
| 19:31:14 | linuxstb_ | Low-level hacking to get the audio driver working. Most other things should be OK. |
| 19:31:26 | linuxstb_ | Yes, C and a tiny bit of ARM assembler. |
| 19:31:45 | webguest27 | i know a little bit of C. |
| 19:31:57 | webguest27 | but donno ARM |
| 19:32:15 | webguest27 | what can i do to help? |
| 19:32:31 | webguest84 | paul do you where i can buy iriver 40gb versions? |
| 19:33:01 | linuxstb_ | Firstly, get the Rockbox source, set up a development environment, compile the current CVS code for the 3G, and see how well it's working. |
| 19:33:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest84: The H140 shows up on ebay alot. Including unopened ones. |
| 19:33:32 | webguest84 | ok thanks taking a look now |
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| 19:33:58 | linuxstb_ | Then get stuck into the audio code (comparing it with the equivalent source in the ipodlinux kernel) and see if you can debug it. I'm happy to help, but don't own a 3g. |
| 19:34:21 | webguest27 | i have one. 3g |
| 19:34:27 | linuxstb_ | I assumed that :) |
| 19:34:33 | webguest27 | lol |
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| 19:34:52 | webguest27 | ok then ill start with it. |
| 19:35:31 | webguest27 | thanks |
| 19:35:32 | linuxstb_ | Unfortunately our wiki's down, so finding instructions will be a bit tricky... |
| 19:36:03 | linuxstb_ | Are you using linux, windows or mac (or something else)? |
| 19:36:25 | webguest27 | i have windows and linux installed |
| 19:36:36 | webguest27 | but now using windows |
| 19:36:54 | linuxstb_ | Linux will be easier - the recommended development environment for Windows users is Linux running in vmware... |
| 19:37:03 | webguest27 | win Xp and Redhat EE |
| 19:37:07 | linuxstb_ | Although you can use Cygwin if you want (but it's slow) |
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| 19:37:27 | webguest27 | ya. have linux running in VMware also |
| 19:37:45 | webguest27 | fedora core 5 |
| 19:38:22 | linuxstb_ | First thing will be to setup the cross-compiler, see google's cached page here: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:MNF9N-_PFnAJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler%3Fskin%3Dprint+rockbox+crosscompiler&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
| 19:39:24 | linuxstb_ | But I've got to go now, I'll probably be back later this evening. |
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| 19:40:01 | webguest27 | ok. |
| 19:40:02 | webguest27 | but |
| 19:41:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest27: Checkout Rockbox from our CVS server. There's a... rockboxdeveloper.sh (or something like that) in the /tools folder of it that can do most of the work of setting up the crosscompilers for you, other than adding them to the patch. |
| 19:43:20 | webguest27 | kk thanks |
| 19:44:39 | webguest27 | i have gcc running in linux |
| 19:44:52 | webguest27 | i think 3.44 |
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| 19:45:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'll need specific crosscompilers though. For iPods arm-elf-gcc 4.0.x, I believe. |
| 19:45:31 | webguest27 | oh k |
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| 19:46:48 | webguest27 | ok thanks for the help |
| 19:46:54 | webguest27 | gtg |
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| 19:47:08 | webguest27 | will be back evening |
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| 20:11:45 | breaker | For timing purposes, how do the current_ticks work? I mean, are they adjusted with the frequency? I suppose not, and that means (tick_count / HZ) is not always 1. So the sleep timer for example is not exact if we have a target that can change it's CPU frequency. |
| 20:16:27 | * | goffa hopes the wiki comes back up soon |
| 20:16:49 | goffa | i want to build the cross-compiler again... then i can try that new patch on my x5 |
| 20:17:39 | amiconn | breaker: The ticks *are* adjusted to the cpu frequency |
| 20:17:53 | obo | goffa: run tools/rockboxdev.sh |
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| 20:19:09 | goffa | ok... i'll try that |
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| 20:19:38 | sharpe | good day. |
| 20:19:47 | breaker | So when I have an iPod and the CPU runs with 30 MHz, the ticks are counting the same amount in one second as they do when the iPod runs at 75 MHz? |
| 20:19:57 | amiconn | breaker: To be precise, archos and ipod don't need any adjustment. Archoses have a fixed cpu clock, and ipod timers run from a separate, fixed microsecond clock |
| 20:20:21 | amiconn | breaker: That's what HZ is. There are HZ ticks per second. Always |
| 20:21:03 | amiconn | On coldfire targets, there's a slight instability whenever the cpu clock changes. One tick period can become short or long by a few milliseconds |
| 20:21:12 | amiconn | After the change, the timer runs stable |
| 20:23:38 | breaker | I saw in powermgmt.c: TIME_AFTER(current_tick, sleeptimer_endtick). And the sleeptimer_endtick is calculated once. So the timeout depends here if the CPU frequency, right? |
| 20:24:04 | breaker | Is it because it doesn't use timer.c|h? (Whatever is coded in it, I didn't look into it.) |
| 20:24:53 | goffa | h140 and x5 are m68k right? |
| 20:25:14 | obo | yes |
| 20:25:21 | goffa | thanks |
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| 20:25:49 | goffa | i must have missed when they released this script... that's just too easy from the looks of things |
| 20:26:37 | amiconn | breaker: No it doesn't |
| 20:29:54 | amiconn | There are always HZ ticks per second, irrespecive of the changing cpu clock |
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| 20:39:49 | breaker | OK. Let me explain. :) At start, I have HZ = 70000000. sleeptimer_endtick = current_tick + timeout * HZ; calculates to 70000000 (assuming current_tick == 0 and the timeout we want is 1 s). Then the CPU frequency changes to 30 MHz. That means in one second after that, current_tick is 30000000, in over 2 seconds it is >=70000000 and so the sleeptimer would react after > 2 s, even if I wanted 1 second. |
| 20:40:15 | breaker | Am I wrong here? |
| 20:41:45 | amiconn | Yes you are |
| 20:42:03 | breaker | Where exactly? |
| 20:42:13 | amiconn | HZ is a constant. It's equal to 100 |
| 20:43:06 | amiconn | current_tick is the tick counter. It inrceases by one every 10ms, or by HZ every second |
| 20:43:09 | breaker | In the sequence I wrote, I only use "HZ" at the beginning to calculate the sleeptimer_endtick. After that, I don't use it. |
| 20:43:21 | amiconn | The cpu clock has nothing, I repeat _nothing_ to do with it |
| 20:43:52 | breaker | Ah, 1 current_tick == 10 ms! Now I understand. |
| 20:44:04 | amiconn | No, 1 tick == 10 ms |
| 20:44:10 | breaker | :) OK. |
| 20:44:15 | amiconn | current_tick is the global variable that ticks |
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| 20:44:50 | webguest84 | paul you still here? |
| 20:45:06 | amiconn | If at an arbitrary point, current_tick == 1234567, one second later current_tick == 1234667 |
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| 20:49:01 | breaker | amiconn: Thanks. So no problem here in powermgmt.c. |
| 20:50:31 | amiconn | nope |
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| 21:10:27 | iwkse | hi folks...anybody has a myspace account?? |
| 21:10:59 | goffa | what was the command to make zip |
| 21:11:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:11:31 | goffa | lol.. must be make zip |
| 21:11:46 | obo | lol, yup, or make fullzip if you want the fonts |
| 21:11:55 | goffa | ok |
| 21:13:14 | goffa | well i'll have to try the builds when i get home |
| 21:13:32 | goffa | haven't updated in about a month on either player |
| 21:18:26 | jhMikeS | Speaking of "HZ". Will the value ever change for different ports? |
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| 21:19:40 | Harry | hello |
| 21:19:47 | Harry | can anyone help me |
| 21:19:57 | Harry | how do i use tag cache to maek it see my music from itunes |
| 21:21:34 | Harry | hello |
| 21:21:35 | Harry | anyone |
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| 21:23:08 | Harry | hello |
| 21:23:12 | jhMikeS | Is is proper to assume the value of HZ will always be 100? |
| 21:23:18 | Harry | how do i use tagcache to maek it read my itunes music |
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| 21:23:40 | dionoea | hello |
| 21:23:46 | linuxstb_ | Harry: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+site:www.rockbox.org+tagcache+rockbox+main&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 21:24:35 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: No, you shouldn't assume that. |
| 21:25:04 | Landus | Anyone alive? |
| 21:25:21 | Harry | ty linux |
| 21:25:31 | Landus | I just got my h320 and waiting for it to finish charging, then I'm throwing Rockbox on it. |
| 21:25:49 | Landus | What can I download in the meantime? |
| 21:25:57 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: I see much code that does such as using HZ/25 and stuff. Shouldn't there be a macro like #define mSEC(m) (HZ*(m)/1000) or something? |
| 21:26:13 | Landus | As in stuff I'm going to need to download to put in the h320? |
| 21:26:45 | linuxstb_ | Download the manual (from the daily build page) and read the install instructions. |
| 21:27:12 | Landus | Did. It mentions pages in the Twiki, which is still down. |
| 21:27:31 | Landus | Bootload, then the firmware. |
| 21:27:34 | linuxstb_ | See the topic, and/or use google's cache. |
| 21:27:35 | Landus | Bootloader, rather. |
| 21:28:00 | Harry | yo one question |
| 21:28:10 | Harry | can i use themes for h320 on my ipod 5 g? |
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| 21:28:59 | jhMikeS | linux_stb_: What about the code I see here and there that does assume HZ=100? |
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| 21:29:41 | Landus | The twiki in the topic doesn't seem to have the folder I'm looking for, and I can't seem to get google to give me a cached page. |
| 21:29:49 | Febs | Harry: you can, but they won't fit the 5g screen. |
| 21:29:55 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: For example? |
| 21:30:04 | Harry | that sucks |
| 21:30:11 | Harry | any way to resizes th ewhole apckage |
| 21:30:12 | Harry | to maek it fit |
| 21:30:38 | midgey34 | Landus: which folder |
| 21:30:39 | Febs | Landus: what folder are you missing? You should be able to find what you need in IriverBoot and on the daily build page. |
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| 21:30:53 | Landus | twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall |
| 21:30:53 | jhMikeS | lixesstb_: The X5 driver code that I was working on does: Uses things like HZ/25. I slimpes it some other places too be don't recall at the moment. |
| 21:31:12 | jhMikeS | oops...glimpsed |
| 21:31:14 | linuxstb_ | HZ/25 is just 1/25th of a second. It doesn't assume HZ==100. |
| 21:31:23 | Febs | Harry: No. Although a number of H320 themes have already been adapter for the 5g. |
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| 21:31:34 | Febs | adapter/adapted |
| 21:31:58 | Landus | Ah. |
| 21:32:04 | Landus | Okay. Thanks. I think I'm set now. |
| 21:32:53 | jhMikeS | linexstb_: You're right. I'm not thinkin' straight! *embarrassed* |
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| 21:36:57 | Harry | hey |
| 21:37:05 | Harry | can anyone expalin the controls of rockbox |
| 21:37:08 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Sorry to bug you with my idiocy! Sometimes...brain...you know? |
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| 21:37:38 | Harry | can anyone expalin the controls of rockbox |
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| 21:38:30 | PaulJam | Harry: the manual can |
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| 21:38:58 | cornchild | good after noon |
| 21:39:04 | Harry | paul |
| 21:39:06 | Harry | wat page |
| 21:39:17 | cornchild | ^^ |
| 21:39:30 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 21:40:19 | cornchild | ... i have maybe a stupid question and a simple petition... can i play videos on my ipod nano using rock box? and can anybody send me the rockboy plugin? |
| 21:40:45 | obo | no and no :) |
| 21:40:56 | Harry | paul |
| 21:41:00 | Harry | how do i see al music |
| 21:41:04 | Harry | im using tagca=ache |
| 21:41:10 | obo | rockboy is included in the daily builds (but not sure if it's working on the nano) |
| 21:41:14 | Harry | hwo to i get back to the main menu |
| 21:41:24 | ryran | oh lord... |
| 21:41:40 | jhMikeS | won't you buy me... |
| 21:41:42 | PaulJam | Harry: did you already read the manual? |
| 21:42:08 | ryran | who's chuckling? |
| 21:42:12 | ryran | (answer: it is me) |
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| 21:42:23 | Harry | paul someparts |
| 21:42:37 | Harry | please paul tell me so u can save me tiem |
| 21:42:51 | Harry | nvm |
| 21:42:53 | Harry | figured it out |
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| 21:45:07 | Harry | pual |
| 21:45:10 | Harry | i have a m3u playlist |
| 21:45:18 | Harry | do i put it in th emusic folder along with my music |
| 21:45:22 | Harry | or do i put the m3u in root |
| 21:45:32 | PaulJam | your choice |
| 21:45:50 | Harry | will it still pick up th eosng |
| 21:45:56 | Harry | the songs* |
| 21:46:59 | GeirSv | Hi guys. I'm trying to install Rockbox for the first time (iRiver H120) and I can't seem to find fwpatcher.exe anywhere (Wiki pages down). How do I go about finding the bootloader? |
| 21:47:27 | petur | look at the topic |
| 21:47:31 | ryran | heh |
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| 21:48:55 | ryran | I just want to know if this is possible: to modify the source to add a new entry on the menu (say, at the end, below 'info') that just loads a specific plugin. |
| 21:49:00 | GeirSv | Ahh I see.. |
| 21:49:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | ryran: Possible, but right now Plugins are really launched by way of the filetree, rather than by a menu of plugins, so I don't know if there's a way to put a menu option that simply launches a single file. |
| 21:50:53 | ryran | mmm. thanks paul. I'm thinking about the favorites plugin, which I just discovered. perhaps I should have a look at the playlist catalog patch I've heard about. |
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| 21:51:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd look at it, yes. It's quite nice. ;) |
| 21:51:52 | Harry | i love rockbox |
| 21:51:55 | Harry | my bor hated ipod |
| 21:51:59 | Harry | bro* |
| 21:52:05 | Harry | since its audio sucks |
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| 21:52:12 | ryran | mmmm. okay. the fav plugin is exactly what I want.... ah well |
| 21:52:18 | Harry | so when i nstalled rockbox he said its a huge improvement |
| 21:52:22 | Harry | and it sounds way better |
| 21:52:33 | Harry | and its more sexi |
| 21:52:47 | Harry | one quick question can u view photos on this |
| 21:52:49 | cornchild | sexy indeed |
| 21:53:29 | dionoea | Harry: you can view jpeg photos |
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| 21:55:05 | Harry | do i jsut put pohots |
| 21:55:08 | Harry | where ever i want |
| 21:55:23 | PaulJam | ryran: you could copy the favourites.rock into a folder that you can access faster (e.g. the root) |
| 21:55:35 | ryran | oh. wow. |
| 21:55:40 | ryran | hahaha... |
| 21:56:29 | ryran | thanks for that PaulJam ... I guess it hadn't really clicked that I could execute them from the file tree like that |
| 21:56:29 | dionoea | Harry: yep |
| 21:56:53 | dionoea | Harry: i think that the jpeg viewer even has a slideshow option |
| 21:57:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | ryran: One thing to note: Eventually it'll be outdated if you keep updating, because plugins stop working when the plugin API changes. Of course, you can just copy a newer one to the root. |
| 21:57:15 | ryran | roight roight |
| 21:57:28 | Harry | pual |
| 21:57:29 | ryran | yeah I compile my own builds .. so I'll notice if there are changes to it |
| 21:57:32 | ryran | thanks man :) |
| 21:57:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a problem that is also encountered by people who *just* copy rockbox.ipod over. ;) |
| 21:57:43 | Harry | one last question how do i go back to the root in rockbox |
| 21:57:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Back to the root from where? |
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| 21:58:00 | Harry | rockbox |
| 21:58:04 | Harry | while palying a song |
| 21:58:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tap Select |
| 21:58:12 | dionoea | try all the keys :) |
| 21:58:39 | cornchild | i want to play game boy on my nano |
| 21:58:40 | cornchild | sniff |
| 21:58:56 | Harry | ty |
| 21:58:58 | Harry | pual |
| 21:59:18 | sharpe | ahey, i finally got a working printf working. |
| 21:59:25 | sharpe | wow, how redundant is that. |
| 21:59:26 | Harry | whats doe si tmean direct buffer is full |
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| 22:00:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: You have more than 400 files in that folder, and haven't increased the limit in the menu? |
| 22:00:04 | Landus | Does anyone have a link to supported firmware versions for the h300 series? |
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| 22:00:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: I'm not even sure what you mean by "supported firmware versions"? Do you mean, like the iRiver official versions that can be patched with the bootloader? |
| 22:00:33 | Harry | pual where in th emenu do i increase ut |
| 22:00:39 | Landus | Yes. |
| 22:00:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: I'm not really sure off the top of my head. I'm sure it's in the manual. |
| 22:01:00 | PaulJam | general settings => system => limits (or similar) |
| 22:01:08 | Landus | While on the topic, the Twiki -really- needs to be put back up. |
| 22:01:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: 1.29k works, and from what I hear there's really no reason to use any of the other versions anyway. |
| 22:01:20 | dionoea | any RTSP pro here can tell me what's wrong with: "rtsp://real1.pmvp.ca/latribu/promo/plus_rien.mov" |
| 22:01:24 | Harry | i like ht eipodlinux loader |
| 22:01:27 | Harry | much easier |
| 22:01:31 | Landus | Yeah. I hear 1.29k works. |
| 22:01:37 | ryran | Harry: you'll want the first option there in the limits category |
| 22:01:54 | Landus | It's just uh... finding where to download it or any other version that can be patched. |
| 22:02:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Well, doesn't the official iriver site have their firmware updates? |
| 22:02:18 | Landus | I checked. |
| 22:02:31 | Landus | I found links that take to pages explaining what to do. |
| 22:02:42 | Landus | But no link to the firmware itself. |
| 22:02:56 | dionoea | anyone know a good program that automatically sets id3 tags for a bunch of mp3 ? |
| 22:02:59 | jhMikeS | There was something mentioned earlier about a better windows enviroment than cygwin but can't seem to find it. What was it? |
| 22:03:05 | Landus | dionoea: Yeah. |
| 22:03:11 | obo | jhMikeS: vmware |
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| 22:03:16 | jhMikeS | thanks |
| 22:03:18 | Landus | dionoea: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ |
| 22:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: http://www.iriver.com/html/support/download/sudw_view.asp?idx=767 <−−- Looks like there's one of the 1.29s |
| 22:03:22 | dionoea | Landus: thanks |
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| 22:03:44 | Harry | paul i cant find it |
| 22:03:48 | jhMikeS | cygwin is SOOOO slow...damn |
| 22:03:50 | Harry | where do i change the number |
| 22:04:00 | Landus | Ugh. |
| 22:04:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Someone already said how in here, plus it's in the manual. |
| 22:04:06 | Landus | I tried the iriveramerica site. |
| 22:04:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Why would you check Iriver America for the _Korean_ firmware? |
| 22:04:21 | obo | jhMikeS: there is a ready made dev vmimage for rockbox - look for the wiki page via google cache |
| 22:04:24 | dionoea | Landus: does that get the infos automaticaly online ? (using some kind of hash from the audio) |
| 22:04:30 | Landus | I didn't know I was looking for Korean firmware. |
| 22:04:35 | dionoea | err ... nevermind |
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| 22:04:58 | Landus | dionoea: No. You can either type it in, or grab it from the filenames of the mp3s. |
| 22:05:07 | jhMikeS | Do you know the title of the page? Would make it easier to find. |
| 22:05:19 | dionoea | Import tag information from online databases like freedb or Amazon (also by text-search) ? |
| 22:05:24 | obo | sorry, no |
| 22:05:28 | dionoea | doesn't that mean that it'll find the info itself ? |
| 22:05:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: That's what the k in 1.29k means |
| 22:05:38 | jhMikeS | obo: np... |
| 22:05:56 | Landus | dionoea: Freedb doesn't store information for seperate MP3's. It stores information for CD's. |
| 22:06:03 | Landus | Neither does Gracenote. |
| 22:06:10 | jhMikeS | Wish it stood for "karats". |
| 22:06:42 | * | dionoea remembers hearing about a service which used audio hashes to recognise the files |
| 22:06:54 | dionoea | but i can't remember what it was named |
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| 22:07:11 | BigMac | hi does anyone know how to change the drive letter |
| 22:07:19 | BigMac | like from e: to say z: |
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| 22:08:07 | dionoea | BigMac: something like left click on the drive |
| 22:08:18 | BigMac | so then it would be Z:Rock |
| 22:08:19 | dionoea | and properties or something like that |
| 22:08:19 | jhMikeS | bigmac: Windows decides that, you have to edit the registry |
| 22:08:20 | BigMac | then? |
| 22:08:25 | BigMac | oh nvm |
| 22:08:35 | BigMac | im not capable of registry editing |
| 22:08:37 | dionoea | BigMac: you found it ? |
| 22:09:00 | Harry | ryran |
| 22:09:19 | Landus | I imagine I'm supposed to ignore the "Device purchased in the US is not compatible with this firmware" warning? |
| 22:09:21 | BigMac | what if i made a .reg file |
| 22:09:27 | Harry | paulk |
| 22:09:28 | Harry | pual |
| 22:09:28 | BigMac | how would i do it then? |
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| 22:09:38 | jhMikeS | BigMac: Is caches the drive letter for a device in a list of mounted devices in the registry. I've changed it by editing the registry before. |
| 22:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You'll lose your DRM support (can't buy music from Napster / Walmart / Etc online stores) |
| 22:09:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: What? |
| 22:09:51 | Landus | I never do. |
| 22:09:52 | Harry | pm |
| 22:10:02 | Landus | DRM = lame. |
| 22:10:17 | jhMikeS | BigMac: I wouldn't do that. Just use regedit. Lemme look...brb |
| 22:10:20 | Landus | It makes storing music on computers a royal pain in the ass. |
| 22:10:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have not received a PM. You can't send them unless you register with the server, I believe. |
| 22:10:26 | BigMac | mike: is it possible to make a .reg that would do the same thing as changing the drive letter |
| 22:10:39 | BigMac | ive not had much succsess with regedit |
| 22:10:43 | Harry | omg |
| 22:10:44 | Harry | paul |
| 22:10:45 | dionoea | BigMac: i found it |
| 22:10:47 | BigMac | i always screw up my comp |
| 22:10:48 | Harry | how do i patch stuff |
| 22:10:49 | dionoea | but my windows is in french |
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| 22:10:55 | BigMac | harry: |
| 22:10:57 | Harry | do i need to code or somethign |
| 22:11:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: You may want to check at misticriver and ask about US->K firmware updates. I think it's safe, but I don't know for 100% sure |
| 22:11:05 | dionoea | you know where to find the defrag util ? |
| 22:11:05 | BigMac | there is an excellent tutorial on the forum |
| 22:11:09 | dionoea | BigMac: ^ |
| 22:11:13 | Harry | bugmac |
| 22:11:15 | Harry | can u link me |
| 22:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Yes, to apply patches you need to be able to at least compile rockbox. |
| 22:11:16 | Harry | :) |
| 22:11:26 | BigMac | ok illl look |
| 22:11:27 | Harry | screw that |
| 22:11:27 | Harry | lol |
| 22:11:29 | Landus | I'll try the one you linked to first. |
| 22:11:30 | Harry | nvm |
| 22:11:32 | BigMac | and dion:no |
| 22:11:37 | Harry | paul can u complie somehtign for me |
| 22:11:45 | Harry | or big? |
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| 22:12:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. I'll gladly answer questions you have when you try to figure out how to compile following the directions. |
| 22:12:22 | dionoea | BigMac: the last item of the "Storage" node should be named something like "drives handling" (this is french to english) |
| 22:12:29 | dionoea | this will list all the drives |
| 22:12:33 | jhMikeS | BigMac: It's under HKLM\SYSTEM\Mounted Devices |
| 22:12:39 | dionoea | if you right click on one it allows changing the driver letter |
| 22:12:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if I were to compile a build for you, in a few days rockbox would update, and you'd have to choose between whatever patches were applied and the new official stuff. |
| 22:12:46 | BigMac | harry:http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 |
| 22:12:48 | dionoea | and it's far less risky then editing the registery |
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| 22:13:26 | BigMac | so is their anyway i can make it into a .reg files |
| 22:13:41 | jhMikeS | BigMac: You'll see some values like "\\DosDvices\\x:" where "x" is a drive letter |
| 22:14:11 | jhMikeS | BigMac: I wouldn't because a reg file can't figure out which is the correct entry. |
| 22:14:19 | midgey34 | BigMac: (on XP)go to control panel, administrative tools, computer management |
| 22:14:19 | midgey34 | BigMac: click on the left side where it says disk management (under storage) |
| 22:14:19 | midgey34 | BIGMAC: right click on the drive and select 'Change Drive Letters and Paths' |
| 22:14:24 | dionoea | not that it answers the question but: why would you want a reg file if you can use your mouse to change it ? |
| 22:14:35 | dionoea | BigMac: hehe, midgey34 has the "english" version :) |
| 22:14:50 | midgey34 | I do indeed |
| 22:14:57 | midgey34 | and sorry about the caps |
| 22:14:57 | BigMac | midgey:thank you very much |
| 22:15:01 | midgey34 | no problem |
| 22:15:02 | dionoea | my translation was a but off |
| 22:15:04 | dionoea | *bit |
| 22:15:40 | BigMac | does anyone know how to install blackglass. i cant make heads or tails of the forum thread |
| 22:15:56 | BigMac | dionea:merci beaucoup:-) |
| 22:16:20 | BigMac | je parle francais comme ci comme ca |
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| 22:16:24 | Landus | Yay. |
| 22:16:27 | BigMac | dunno how accurate that is |
| 22:16:27 | dionoea | BigMac: :) |
| 22:16:29 | Landus | My firmware is updating. |
| 22:16:34 | BigMac | ive only take first year french |
| 22:16:46 | dionoea | BigMac: it's 100M accurate :) |
| 22:16:48 | dionoea | % |
| 22:16:51 | Harry | one last question |
| 22:16:55 | Harry | do maek my own custom bg |
| 22:16:57 | BigMac | yay |
| 22:17:01 | Harry | do i jsut put in backdrops |
| 22:17:06 | Harry | or do i ahve to rename adn everything |
| 22:17:07 | BigMac | uhh |
| 22:17:19 | BigMac | i just saw this somewere on the forums |
| 22:17:20 | Harry | or do i have to code a wps fo rit |
| 22:17:24 | dionoea | just save the bmp somewhere on the disk |
| 22:17:41 | dionoea | and use the "set as backdrop" or something like that option |
| 22:17:51 | Harry | k |
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| 22:17:55 | Harry | wats the size limits |
| 22:18:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | The size of your screen. |
| 22:18:10 | dionoea | well it should be the same resolution as your LCd |
| 22:18:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | At 24-bit color |
| 22:18:13 | jhMikeS | BigMac: I guess that's easier. I just change things in REGEDIT all the time and never bothered to look. :) |
| 22:18:30 | Harry | . |
| 22:18:33 | Harry | and |
| 22:18:38 | Harry | hwo do i turn off my ipod |
| 22:18:41 | sharpe | well... i have page allocation/deallocation working... |
| 22:18:41 | Harry | or put it into sleep |
| 22:18:43 | midgey34 | BigMac: to install a theme, you should be able to unzip the file to the .rockbox folder |
| 22:18:44 | sharpe | hold play |
| 22:18:56 | Harry | ty |
| 22:19:00 | * | dionoea remembers messing up with regedit and only being able to run "notepad.exe". all the other exes were forbiden |
| 22:20:08 | midgey34 | basically, make sure the wps (and folder of bitmaps) is in the wps folder, cfg in the themes folder, and the backdrop is in the backdrops folder |
| 22:20:40 | BigMac | ok so how do i do it for jblackglass |
| 22:20:46 | BigMac | i heard it is different |
| 22:20:56 | BigMac | could someone post a tutorial on the forum |
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| 22:21:00 | midgey34 | oh that one probably needs patches |
| 22:21:01 | BigMac | itll get stickied |
| 22:21:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, it won't get stickied. |
| 22:21:19 | BigMac | because im sure im not the only person who has evere had this question |
| 22:21:26 | BigMac | aww |
| 22:21:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | But as it is, jblackglass has jbuild. You should just extract it over your normal rockbox build. |
| 22:21:31 | BigMac | i can't patch |
| 22:21:47 | BigMac | i just extract jbuild to my root? |
| 22:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Probably |
| 22:22:34 | BigMac | or into .rockbox? |
| 22:22:36 | jhMikeS | dionnea: Why, why edit? I'm just trying to help someone out. But you taught me something too. Thanks. |
| 22:22:44 | BigMac | well thats what i want to know |
| 22:22:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Well, extract it somewhere else, and see what's in it. |
| 22:23:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll probably have a .rockbox folder which you should copy over yours. |
| 22:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | And a rockbox.ipod file, again, copy over |
| 22:23:20 | BigMac | well ill ask pijulius when he comes on |
| 22:23:26 | BigMac | maybe hell write a tutorial |
| 22:23:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just told you how to do it. |
| 22:24:04 | BigMac | you said probably |
| 22:24:15 | BigMac | i dont want to do it and mess it up |
| 22:24:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Also, it says in the FIRST POST in his thread how to install it, now that I actually go look |
| 22:24:31 | BigMac | i just want to know what to do exactly so it will work |
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| 22:24:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's irritating that he calls it a "patch" when it's really a "build" |
| 22:24:48 | BigMac | yah but that is the theme not jbuild i though |
| 22:24:54 | BigMac | ohh |
| 22:24:59 | BigMac | thats what threw me |
| 22:25:09 | jhMikeS | What's the X5 LCD referesh rate or the LCD chip clock rate? (I asked before but it was LATE) |
| 22:25:48 | jhMikeS | I mean for the HW, not for rockbox |
| 22:26:32 | midgey34 | BigMac: go to http://solutions-I.org/julius/rockbox/ |
| 22:27:01 | jhMikeS | Beuhler, Beuhler. Anyone, anyone? |
| 22:27:02 | BigMac | so is it as impresive as it looks in the screenies on an ipod (blackglass) |
| 22:27:13 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: LinusN or Bagder might know. (I know nothing about the X5) |
| 22:27:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Eh, it's just a theme. |
| 22:27:18 | midgey34 | download your build (video 32MiB, video 64MiB, photo) and extract the zip to the root of your player |
| 22:27:45 | midgey34 | overwrite rockbox.ipod and .rockbox or delete them first |
| 22:28:02 | LinusN | jhMikeS: read the data sheet |
| 22:28:19 | midgey34 | but the jbuild is not official is not supported |
| 22:28:25 | amiconn | The datasheet probably won't tell you |
| 22:28:45 | BigMac | midge:have you tried it? |
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| 22:28:48 | jhMikeS | LinusN: I did. To get the refesh rate you need the clock rate. |
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| 22:29:08 | midgey34 | BigMac: I have an iriver and I patch/compile myself so no |
| 22:29:16 | BigMac | and one final question- i have to have rockbox already installed correct. like the daily build? |
| 22:29:24 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Equation has one unknown. |
| 22:29:31 | midgey34 | if you do use it, you'll also have to download the themes from the same page |
| 22:29:32 | BigMac | midge-do you find patching easy? |
| 22:29:49 | midgey34 | for the most part |
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| 22:30:00 | BigMac | wait so i overwrite, then go and download the themes, and were do i put them |
| 22:30:01 | Harry | yo |
| 22:30:05 | Harry | is ther any now palying mod |
| 22:30:26 | BigMac | would you be able to do me a favor and patch my rockbox so i can put on a patch? |
| 22:30:31 | BigMac | i can't seem to patch |
| 22:30:41 | Harry | is ther any now palying mod |
| 22:30:45 | Harry | that shows nowpalying |
| 22:30:48 | Harry | the menu |
| 22:31:00 | LinusN | jhMikeS: then i don't know more than you do |
| 22:31:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Try to take your time, and actually explain what you're asking? |
| 22:31:20 | midgey34 | BigMac: the themes file you extract into .rockbox after overwriting |
| 22:31:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Write a test plugin. That's how we found the refresh rates of several other lcds |
| 22:31:47 | midgey34 | and I my branch is way behind cvs so the jbuild is the better way to go |
| 22:31:54 | jhMikeS | LinusN: Frame Frequency = fosc/(clock cycles per raster row x division ration x (Line + 8)) |
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| 22:32:10 | BigMac | midgey, do you have any instant messenger? |
| 22:32:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, what do you need the frame frequency for? |
| 22:32:52 | Harry | pau |
| 22:32:55 | Harry | is there any patch |
| 22:33:00 | amiconn | Be prepared that fosc isn't very stable. The lcd controller uses an RC oscillator |
| 22:33:02 | Harry | that while im palying music |
| 22:33:06 | Harry | adn i go to the root |
| 22:33:09 | midgey34 | BigMac: aim sn midgey34 |
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| 22:33:15 | Harry | that i can selct nowpalying to get back to th epaly screen |
| 22:33:32 | amiconn | ?? |
| 22:33:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: If you're looking for a patch, search the patch tracker. Out of curiosity, why isn't just tapping the play button to get back good enough for you? |
| 22:33:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I mean _play_ not Select |
| 22:33:40 | Landus | Yay. |
| 22:33:43 | jhMikeS | amiconn: For the waits in the driver. I wan't them no long than they have to be. I certain place you have to wait 2 frames or more, but I don't know what that is. |
| 22:33:51 | Landus | It's working. |
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| 22:34:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I think the 2-frame wait is only necessary during init |
| 22:34:43 | amiconn | ...i.e. not critical |
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| 22:36:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: During display on/off sequence always. I made a patch to turn off the LCD and turn it back on with the backlight and I want to optimize the waiting. |
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| 22:37:21 | RaeNye | Aloha |
| 22:37:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I don't see why this is critical either. A few tenths of a second more or less... |
| 22:37:50 | amiconn | But if you want to know the frame frequency exactly, use a test plugin |
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| 22:38:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: about 200ms. Quite noticeable when you hit a button. |
| 22:38:21 | Harry | anotehr question |
| 22:38:27 | Harry | si there anyway to change the text colour |
| 22:38:43 | dionoea | yes, in the settings |
| 22:38:53 | Harry | where under settins |
| 22:38:55 | Harry | display? |
| 22:38:58 | BigMac | hey can you apply any text you have on your comp? |
| 22:38:59 | dionoea | i guess :) |
| 22:39:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: I strongly suggest simply searching the manual before asking. |
| 22:39:06 | dionoea | BigMac: no |
| 22:39:12 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Where do I get the test plugins that already exits. It might help me out. |
| 22:39:18 | dionoea | BigMac: if by text you mean font |
| 22:39:21 | BigMac | aw thatd be coool |
| 22:39:25 | BigMac | yes |
| 22:39:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: They have to be in the .fnt format. |
| 22:39:34 | dionoea | but you might be able to convert them to the rockbox format |
| 22:39:42 | BigMac | i would love to have aajax surreal font on my pod |
| 22:39:48 | Harry | paul i stronyl suggestest that you help me :) |
| 22:39:50 | dionoea | i don't know if tools to do that exist |
| 22:39:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you convert them to bdf, we have bdfconv that converts them to rockbox compatible. |
| 22:39:54 | sharpe | i guess i'll try thread scheduling next. |
| 22:40:56 | BigMac | bdf? |
| 22:41:01 | BigMac | how do i do that |
| 22:41:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ?? |
| 22:41:06 | BigMac | converter program? |
| 22:41:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: Well, Fontforge, and I assume others, can apparently convert ttfs to bdfs. |
| 22:41:50 | BigMac | then how do i go from bdfs to rockbox |
| 22:42:03 | Harry | i liek ipl bootloader better but i ahte ipodlinux |
| 22:42:07 | BHSPitMonkey | with a tool that comes in the rockbox cvs, BigMac |
| 22:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | BigMac: As I said, there's a bdf conversion tool included with the Rockbox sources. |
| 22:42:25 | BigMac | and what is the max size of ipod font? |
| 22:42:39 | BHSPitMonkey | Harry, then use iPodloader and rockbox. we don't care. |
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| 22:42:59 | BigMac | eww i hate ipod linux |
| 22:43:12 | dionoea | did he tell you to use ipod linux ? |
| 22:43:14 | BigMac | but i cant figure out how to remove it without doing a restore |
| 22:43:19 | BigMac | no |
| 22:43:19 | RaeNye | jhMikeS: maybe try to perform just a portion of the init sequence, e.g., don't set the gamma registers everytime |
| 22:43:58 | dionoea | BigMac: use partition magic (or gparted) to resize the fat partition |
| 22:44:08 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Datasheet seems to say nothing is retained but two registers. |
| 22:44:19 | Landus | How do I use .patch files? |
| 22:44:22 | linuxstb_ | BigMac, Harry: You wouldn't be using Rockbox if it wasn't for the work done by the IPL devs... |
| 22:44:42 | BigMac | i just dont like ipl |
| 22:44:48 | BigMac | the interface |
| 22:44:49 | dionoea | Landus: patch -p0 < /the/patch/file |
| 22:44:50 | RaeNye | jhMikeS: hmm.. but GRAM is saved, isn't it? that's weird. |
| 22:44:54 | BigMac | i like rockbox |
| 22:44:58 | Landus | ? |
| 22:45:07 | midkay | they can not like their software but appreciate their work on the hardware stuff.. |
| 22:45:10 | BigMac | and isnt partition magic a pay program |
| 22:45:16 | Landus | What does that mean? |
| 22:45:17 | BHSPitMonkey | BigMac, iPL technically doesn't have an interface |
| 22:45:18 | midkay | probably just people who care about music playback instead of games and fancy menus. |
| 22:45:19 | BigMac | yah |
| 22:45:28 | dionoea | Landus: are you using cygwin ? or some linux ? |
| 22:45:31 | BigMac | they did all that work with limited info |
| 22:45:32 | Landus | No. |
| 22:45:33 | Landus | Windows. |
| 22:45:36 | BigMac | i appreciate it |
| 22:45:44 | dionoea | well you'll need to install cygwin to compile the sources |
| 22:45:45 | Landus | I think I might have Cygwin installed though. |
| 22:45:55 | dionoea | the howto was on the wiki i think |
| 22:46:07 | BigMac | yah i want the audio aspect |
| 22:46:13 | BigMac | i love that about rockbox |
| 22:46:32 | Landus | When I install Cygwin, then what? |
| 22:46:40 | dionoea | then you read the howto :) |
| 22:46:45 | Landus | Just type in the command you gave? |
| 22:46:47 | BigMac | wow |
| 22:46:58 | BigMac | anyone else have iblaster speakers |
| 22:46:58 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: In standby, chip is OFF and must be reinitialized. |
| 22:47:05 | BigMac | they are nice for their price |
| 22:47:10 | Harry | hey |
| 22:47:11 | dionoea | download the rockbox sources, install the cross compile tools, patch the sources, compile and put it on your ipod |
| 22:47:17 | dionoea | Landus: ^ |
| 22:47:19 | Harry | is ther anywy to remvoe ipod linux form the ipl loader |
| 22:47:22 | BigMac | although i dislike romving my ipod from its case to dock it |
| 22:47:27 | Landus | I don't have an iPod. |
| 22:47:28 | Harry | do i onyl see rockbox and apple os |
| 22:47:37 | dionoea | Landus: well replace ipod with your player's name :) |
| 22:47:41 | Landus | Ah. |
| 22:47:44 | RaeNye | Ooo, lots of devs alive. Maybe one of you would like to commit RoLo X5 bugfix patch (#5346) ? it's only one line! |
| 22:48:33 | linuxstb_ | Harry: Yes, create a config file for ipodloader2 - their wiki has instructions and examples. |
| 22:48:37 | RaeNye | jhmikes: maybe try to cut down on sleep()s... risky but possible |
| 22:48:45 | Landus | How do I install these cross compile tools? |
| 22:48:49 | Landus | Then how do I patch the sources? |
| 22:48:53 | Harry | linux can u make me one? |
| 22:48:56 | Landus | And compile them? |
| 22:49:04 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Know where there's a HW frame test plugin I can look at? |
| 22:49:05 | dionoea | Landus: well you read the wiki pages dedicated to that topic |
| 22:49:11 | dionoea | but since the wiki is down ... i don't know |
| 22:49:11 | Landus | The wiki is down. |
| 22:49:27 | RaeNye | jhmikes: what's that? |
| 22:49:28 | Landus | Man, this blows. |
| 22:49:39 | Landus | What's the point of using Rockbox when the wiki is down? |
| 22:49:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: You really need to stop asking for people to do everything for you. If everybody did that, nothing would ever actually get done. |
| 22:49:54 | RaeNye | landus: listening to music |
| 22:50:03 | Harry | lol |
| 22:50:14 | Landus | It's a miracle that I managed to get Rockbox working without the wiki. |
| 22:50:15 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: A more progressive chip shutdown with inactivity would be better. The display can be turned off independently. |
| 22:50:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: There should be a google cache of the SimpleGuideToCompiling page. |
| 22:50:36 | Landus | That's what everyone says. |
| 22:50:40 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: Any idea what power savings you can achieve with turning the LCD off? |
| 22:50:41 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: To what are you referring? |
| 22:50:45 | Landus | But when I google the webpage, I'm told google finds nothing. |
| 22:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:UQ43A5Ydz3YJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling+SimpleGuideToCompiling&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 22:50:59 | RaeNye | jhmikes: I know, i suggested it. but it requires more programming :) |
| 22:51:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | First result when googling "SimpleGuideToCompiling" |
| 22:51:15 | RaeNye | jhmikes: to the example frame plugin thingy |
| 22:51:22 | jhMikeS | linexstb_: I have no idea. It would have to be tested. That's why I posted a prototype of the patch for people to test if they like. |
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| 22:53:23 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: linexstb said to write a plugin to get the exact frame rate. I'm not sure how to proceed with that so I'd like to get the source to one for help. test_fps only tells you how many time it can call lcd_update in a given time but nothing about the true HW refresh rate. |
| 22:53:56 | Landus | Paul_The_Nerd: How did you get that? |
| 22:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Searched google, then clicked the word "cached" for the first result. |
| 22:54:25 | Landus | ... |
| 22:54:28 | * | linuxstb_ proposes closing this bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2394 |
| 22:54:31 | Landus | Google hates me, then. |
| 22:54:37 | RaeNye | jhmikes: No idea. Never wrote a plugin, sorry. What do you need the frame-rate for? |
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| 22:54:57 | linuxstb_ | It seems to have been reported on an Archos player in 2004, the reporter never responded to a question, and then it was hijacked by a swcodec user... |
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| 22:55:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: Any time I tell someone to Google it, I do so first just to make sure it works. ;) I know it'd be easier to just give them the link since I've already found it, but I like to at least try to encourage independent action. :) |
| 22:55:17 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: To optimize the waits during Display on/off. It says to "Wait Two Frames or More". Well, I don't know what two frames is! |
| 22:55:21 | Moos | Hello all ! |
| 22:55:25 | Landus | I'm all for that, but when I did search, I turned up no results. |
| 22:55:31 | RaeNye | linuxstb_: maybe *you* want to commit the RoLo X5 fix? |
| 22:55:38 | RaeNye | Hi moos. |
| 22:55:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: I say close it. :-P |
| 22:55:47 | Moos | hi RaeNye ! |
| 22:56:07 | Moos | what's new here |
| 22:56:08 | Moos | ? |
| 22:56:10 | RaeNye | jhmikes: maybe experiment? |
| 22:56:51 | Harry | yo |
| 22:57:09 | Harry | is ther anyway to when i plug in the usb cable |
| 22:57:11 | RaeNye | more or less nothing :) |
| 22:57:16 | Harry | that it wont go into disk mode |
| 22:57:22 | Landus | The pages for the CygwinDevelopment aren't cached. Does anyone know what cross compilers I need? |
| 22:57:23 | dionoea | hold select |
| 22:57:26 | dionoea | Harry: ^ |
| 22:57:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Hold Menu while plugging in. |
| 22:57:32 | Harry | hm |
| 22:57:33 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: How'd I know it would come to that! :) linuxstb_ said plugin have acutally been written to test HW FPS. |
| 22:57:35 | Harry | selct or menu |
| 22:57:36 | Harry | lol |
| 22:57:37 | RaeNye | landaus: arm-elf-gcc? |
| 22:57:38 | dionoea | ok, hold menu :) |
| 22:57:42 | dionoea | the upper button |
| 22:57:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: The pages should be cached, you just can't click to it from the cached page. You'll have to search separately |
| 22:58:04 | Landus | I did. |
| 22:58:05 | Landus | No results. |
| 22:58:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: In fact there's even a Rockbox Cygwin mirror to download the appropriate crosscompilers from |
| 22:58:09 | Moos | RaeNye: are your x5 patches u to date? |
| 22:58:12 | Landus | There is? |
| 22:58:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Landus: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:YGsk18OmbjIJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment%3Fskin%3Dprint+CygwinDevelopment&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 22:58:19 | Moos | *up |
| 22:58:26 | Landus | ... |
| 22:58:54 | RaeNye | moos: Yes, I last compiled ~2 days ago and everything cleanly applied. |
| 22:59:26 | RaeNye | had to recompile, hence bring them UTD, thanks to the USB-OTG patch :) |
| 22:59:26 | Moos | RaeNye: cause I tried yesterday and something have changed |
| 22:59:35 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 22:59:40 | RaeNye | which one? |
| 22:59:55 | Moos | that's cool that LinusN take a look at x5 patches |
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| 23:00:00 | Moos | radio+rec |
| 23:00:26 | RaeNye | where it fails? |
| 23:00:53 | Moos | I don't remenber, can you test? |
| 23:01:10 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: But it doesn't look promising to find a way to sync frame updates with the chip. Well...maybe. I'll do what I gotta do. |
| 23:01:22 | Moos | RaeNye: you have to sync your great patches I think |
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| 23:01:46 | RaeNye | No, i'm on my windows machine now. The only relevant file changed in the last days was config-iaudiox5.h |
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| 23:02:13 | RaeNye | moos: I just did! it's unreasonable to resync them every *day*, isn't it? |
| 23:02:29 | Moos | yesterday changes or before I think caused conflicts |
| 23:02:49 | Moos | RaeNye: sorry, that wasn't a complaint :) |
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| 23:03:00 | RaeNye | np |
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| 23:03:36 | RaeNye | didn't think so |
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| 23:04:31 | Moos | since your code isn't in CVS yet, that's difficult for us users to be up to date with CVS and with your necessary patches |
| 23:04:48 | Moos | let's hope LinusN will commit your works soon ;) |
| 23:04:53 | linuxstb_ | jhMikeS: I didn't say that there were LCD test plugins - amiconn did. |
| 23:04:54 | Romanos | hi.. i have a major problem with my nano. It just reboots again and again and it wont start up properly. Any ideas of what the heck is happening? |
| 23:05:10 | RaeNye | I was just about to say everything would be easier if they got comitted :) great minds think alike. |
| 23:05:18 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 23:05:35 | jhMikeS | linuxstb_: Sorry. My bad... |
| 23:05:40 | linuxstb_ | np |
| 23:05:48 | Romanos | any ideas anyone? |
| 23:05:57 | RaeNye | back to my original question −− where's a dev that wants to commit the one line RoLo bug fix? |
| 23:06:03 | Moos | RaeNye: and sure if your code will be in CVS you will do other works (like remote...° ;) |
| 23:06:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Romanos: Does it briefly flash the USB logo? |
| 23:06:16 | Romanos | :( |
| 23:06:23 | Romanos | no |
| 23:06:34 | RaeNye | speaking of which, have you looked at the remote code I put up on the tracker? |
| 23:06:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, did this behaviour just start, or what? |
| 23:06:49 | Romanos | yeah |
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| 23:06:58 | Romanos | i haven't use my nano for about 1 week |
| 23:07:06 | linuxstb_ | Romanos: I have to ask the obvious question - do you have the USB cable or charger plugged in? |
| 23:07:07 | Romanos | and suddenly it went crazy |
| 23:07:13 | Romanos | usb |
| 23:07:26 | Romanos | don't have any charger |
| 23:07:41 | Romanos | might the battery be completely drained? |
| 23:07:58 | Moos | RaeNye: not yet, what is it for? |
| 23:08:05 | Moos | remote already working? |
| 23:08:08 | linuxstb_ | Possibly. Try forcing it into disk mode (hold SELECT+PLAY as it's rebooting) |
| 23:08:15 | RaeNye | a nice well-behaved self-contained RoLo bugfix patch! no previous programming experience needed! |
| 23:08:46 | RaeNye | moos: it's code for doing remote LCD low-level stuff, but it's not wrapped with all the usual LCD code |
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| 23:08:56 | Moos | ok |
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| 23:09:05 | Moos | planed to do more? |
| 23:09:08 | Romanos | holy shit linux, it works |
| 23:09:20 | RaeNye | it can be converted to a plugin that tests the code, i.e., display a sample image on it. |
| 23:09:28 | Romanos | what was the problem then? |
| 23:09:32 | jhMikeS | I have some questions about the poweroff sequence...more general stuff. |
| 23:09:44 | Moos | RaeNye: do you have a remote yourself? |
| 23:09:51 | RaeNye | from there some high-level work is needed. |
| 23:10:25 | RaeNye | moos: No; that's the reason I'm only willing to do the low-level stuff ;-) |
| 23:10:37 | Moos | ok :-) make sense then |
| 23:10:39 | Romanos | THANX LINUX :) |
| 23:11:04 | RaeNye | jhmikes: the specs are somewhat unclear on this, aren't they? |
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| 23:11:48 | Moos | RaeNye: maybe you can have a sponsoring from Rockbox money, if you plan to do the job, I'm sure LinusN,Bagder or Zagor will be agreed |
| 23:11:49 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: You mean on reading the frames? A bit, yes. |
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| 23:11:58 | RaeNye | moos: also, it's not like such a patch would get commited anytime soon :( |
| 23:12:14 | Moos | let's hope in the busy LinusN ;) |
| 23:12:35 | LinusN | i just committed the rolo patch |
| 23:12:43 | Moos | wee !! |
| 23:12:43 | RaeNye | moos: I never thought about something like that... |
| 23:12:47 | RaeNye | Thanks :))))))) |
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| 23:13:06 | Moos | what's about the TLV shutdown patch (1 line) |
| 23:13:09 | jhMikeS | Why when I do a long press on the Power button but not long enough to cause the shutting down screen to pop up, does the X5 suddenly power off with no warning? |
| 23:13:10 | Moos | Linus :) |
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| 23:13:30 | RaeNye | the line that got you was the "no previous programming exprience needed", right? ;-) |
| 23:13:37 | jhMikeS | After about 10 seconds, that is. Everything seems like it's still on., |
| 23:14:03 | Moos | hehe :) |
| 23:14:47 | Moos | jhMikeS: never experimented this behaviour |
| 23:15:47 | jhMikeS | Moos: Try it. Hold it just under the time for rockbox to do the poweroff. It's always done that so nothing I did made it happen. |
| 23:15:49 | RaeNye | jhmikes: might be related to a watchdog timer (protect the hardware from wasting power when entering an endless loop |
| 23:16:51 | RaeNye | the PCF50606 (power unit) might have this kind of protection activated once it detects a long POWER press |
| 23:16:54 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Not sure what endless loop it would be entering. When that happens, power_off() is never called. |
| 23:17:55 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: The power off button should probably have a slightly shorter timeout so rockbox get it first...always. |
| 23:19:04 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: But then there's that really LONG power press that you have to do if it hangs. |
| 23:19:09 | RaeNye | the points of a watchdog timer is that you have to acknowledge the timer periodically or else it declared your device "stuck". The reason for you to get into a situation where you fail to acknowledge the timer could be entering an endless loop, but also a plain no-acknowledge policy |
| 23:20:44 | RaeNye | But mostly I don't really know the answer |
| 23:21:14 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: I still have to get into learning the CPU in detail but you're being helpful. |
| 23:21:25 | Moos | LinusN: we love you !!!! |
| 23:21:30 | Moos | :) |
| 23:21:48 | RaeNye | linusn: please close the bugreport as well - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5063 |
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| 23:22:15 | RaeNye | jhmikes: NP, anytime. |
| 23:22:17 | jhMikeS | And then there's that backlight flicker on poweroff! |
| 23:22:30 | jhMikeS | And the audio "pop" |
| 23:22:38 | RaeNye | it seems related to the white screen phenomenon |
| 23:23:00 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: The BL on with chip off will give you a white screen. |
| 23:23:56 | RaeNye | the audio pop is fixed in my patch |
| 23:24:23 | Moos | thanks for it |
| 23:24:27 | Moos | :) |
| 23:24:30 | RaeNye | and is unrelated (TLV320 isn't properly shutdown) |
| 23:24:34 | jhMikeS | I saw a "pop" patch but I don't think it was for X5...lemme see... |
| 23:24:36 | RaeNye | moos: NP, anytime :) |
| 23:24:48 | goffa | what's rolo? |
| 23:25:08 | LinusN | Rockbox Loader |
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| 23:25:50 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Point me to it if you could! :) |
| 23:25:51 | Moos | LinusN: are the radio and recording X5 are CVS materiel ? |
| 23:25:52 | goffa | ah.. so you can dual boot nowL |
| 23:26:03 | Landus | I'm getting an error when I type in make in Cygwin. |
| 23:26:06 | RaeNye | jhmikes: linus has just comitted it too |
| 23:26:36 | LinusN | Moos: very close to cvs material, however, those might have to wait until after 3.0, as they aren't really bug fixes |
| 23:27:12 | RaeNye | I know - that's the reason I only came here for the Rolo patch. |
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| 23:27:32 | Moos | LinusN: ok yhx |
| 23:27:34 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Cool. I'd still like to see what you changed. Could help me out in learning the code to help with the whitescreen. |
| 23:27:40 | LinusN | RaeNye: is your version of i2c-coldfire.c "complete", as in doing both read and write? |
| 23:27:44 | jhMikeS | I dunno |
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| 23:28:25 | RaeNye | linusn: yes. I tried to make it work for both I2C channels, but I couldn't get it. the first I2C channel works as before, though. |
| 23:28:42 | LinusN | ok i see |
| 23:29:04 | RaeNye | jhmikes: I only added a line in tlv320_shutdown() that unpowered it. |
| 23:30:05 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: I see. Thanks. |
| 23:30:22 | Landus | Uh, I could really use some help. |
| 23:30:28 | RaeNye | linusN: it really haunts me why it doesn't work since the OF and the preloader are using the I2C controller for both channels |
| 23:30:48 | Landus | I'm trying to do this patch stuff, and the guide that's explaining what to do isn't working. |
| 23:31:20 | Landus | PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/sbin |
| 23:31:40 | Landus | I'm told to add stuff on that line, but there isn't a line like that in the file that's mentioned. |
| 23:31:48 | RaeNye | BL is controlled by two elements, both in the PCF50606 |
| 23:31:56 | jhMikeS | Landus: There's two different pages that explain patching. One was very helpful. |
| 23:32:30 | Landus | http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:YGsk18OmbjIJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment%3Fskin%3Dprint+CygwinDevelopment&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 23:32:36 | Landus | That's what I'm looking at. |
| 23:32:46 | LinusN | RaeNye: perhaps you forgot to set the port pins back to normal? |
| 23:33:14 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Is the PCF50606 being powered off gracefully? |
| 23:33:18 | Landus | I've done everything so far, but finishing step four like explained isn't working. |
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| 23:34:10 | RaeNye | the brightness is moderated by the PWM rate (register 0x35) |
| 23:34:33 | RaeNye | the PWM itself is activated by register 0x3a |
| 23:35:09 | Landus | I really need some help. |
| 23:35:22 | Landus | I'm doing what the guide says, but the last step isn't working. |
| 23:35:23 | RaeNye | sorry - not 0x3a but 0x38 |
| 23:36:13 | jhMikeS | There's a datasheet available? |
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| 23:37:27 | Landus | Is anyone alive? |
| 23:37:31 | linuxstb | Landus: Try changing that line in /etc/profile instead. |
| 23:37:39 | Landus | Alright. |
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| 23:38:26 | linuxstb | Landus: You'll then need to close your cygwin window and open a new one for the change to take effect. |
| 23:38:30 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: D305A? I got one. |
| 23:38:36 | Landus | That isn't working. |
| 23:38:41 | Landus | The line still doesn't exist. |
| 23:38:54 | linuxstb | There's no line starting with "PATH=" ? |
| 23:38:56 | LinusN | Landus: did you install the cygwin packages from rockbox.org? |
| 23:39:00 | Landus | There is. |
| 23:39:01 | Landus | Yeah. |
| 23:39:20 | Landus | I started with the original ones, then ran the setup again and downloaded the ones from the rockbox mirror. |
| 23:39:32 | LinusN | the PATH should be automatically updated by the install scripts |
| 23:39:53 | RaeNye | jkmikes: what do you mean with the d305a? |
| 23:40:12 | Landus | Then why am I getting an error about the compiler I need to use not being in my path. |
| 23:40:20 | linuxstb | Landus: If you type "echo $PATH", what gets displayed? |
| 23:40:27 | Landus | When I create the makefile for my DAP? |
| 23:40:38 | RaeNye | linusn: to which pin port are you referring? |
| 23:40:57 | LinusN | RaeNye: the i2c sda and scl |
| 23:40:58 | midgey34 | Landus: what if you just don't do step 4, see if you can compile. I don't have that line in my bash_profile |
| 23:40:59 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: I'm very green here, so forgive me. I looked, it just an analogue chip. Is there another chip involved in the backlight control besides the CPU? |
| 23:41:07 | Landus | Tried. |
| 23:41:09 | Landus | It doesn't work. |
| 23:41:18 | LinusN | Landus: "doesn't work"? |
| 23:41:31 | Landus | I can't copy out messages in cygwin. |
| 23:41:35 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Got ya. |
| 23:41:36 | Landus | I can't select anything. |
| 23:41:49 | Landus | bash: make: command not found |
| 23:41:52 | linuxstb | Click on the icon in the top-left, then (I think) edit->mark |
| 23:41:57 | RaeNye | jhmikes: yes, the PMU, called PCF50606. very important to understand, IMHO |
| 23:42:02 | LinusN | Landus: then you haven't installed the packages you need |
| 23:42:12 | Landus | I'll do it again then. |
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| 23:43:02 | RaeNye | linusN: But I'm not using these GPIO pins since I want to use the CPU's internal I2C controller. |
| 23:43:50 | LinusN | the pins are the same |
| 23:44:35 | LinusN | they are configured as general purpose i/o, and you must reconfigure them to being controlled by the i2c controller |
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| 23:45:46 | LinusN | i.e set the gpio_function bits to 0 |
| 23:47:09 | RaeNye | via GPIO_ENABLE and GPIO_FUNCTION? |
| 23:47:16 | jhMikeS | Each bit in the GPIO_* registers controls a different GPIO pin right? |
| 23:47:37 | jhMikeS | And each corresponding bit controlls the same pin? |
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| 23:47:55 | RaeNye | That's very interesting. I might as well try this over the weekend. |
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| 23:48:40 | RaeNye | You know I'd like very much to replace the awful generic-i2c thing used now :) |
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| 23:48:51 | jhMikeS | GPIO appears to be serial ports, correct? |
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| 23:49:12 | jhMikeS | I got LOTS of reading to do...:) |
| 23:49:17 | RaeNye | jhmikes: no. these are pins connecting the CPU with other chips |
| 23:50:01 | RaeNye | :) that's OK. I knew nothing of embedded programming when I got my X5 (April) and by now I've made some progress |
| 23:50:05 | LinusN | RaeNye: i wouldn't call them awful, but awfully slow :-) |
| 23:50:08 | jhMikeS | Well, I figured that much but I just don't understand how the data is actually sent. Are the bitbanged? |
| 23:50:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hopes nobody *ever* puts in a feature request for Nike+iPod. |
| 23:50:39 | linuxstb | What is it? |
| 23:50:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a sensor you put in various shoes that nike makes. |
| 23:51:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | And it keeps track of how far you've run, so you can use the iPod for workout management. |
| 23:51:17 | RaeNye | linusN: it looks like a C++ code compiled to assembly. That's awful to me :) |
| 23:51:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also has a little thing to plug into the iPod to communicate with the sensor wirelessly. |
| 23:51:28 | LinusN | RaeNye: lol |
| 23:51:38 | jhMikeS | Apple has the wackiest s**t. |
| 23:52:04 | LinusN | RaeNye: be aware though, that i2c-coldfire.c needs to busy way and not yield |
| 23:52:13 | LinusN | busy wait |
| 23:52:44 | LinusN | because the pcf50606 adc read is called from an interrupt |
| 23:53:09 | RaeNye | yes, I know. It's not enough time to do much work anyway |
| 23:54:34 | RaeNye | BTW, when 3.0 is released, will there be any kind of code factoring? I want to see more of the code using the target tree... |
| 23:55:03 | LinusN | lots and lots of refactoring |
| 23:55:14 | LinusN | target tree, wps etc |
| 23:55:55 | LinusN | is martin scarratt on irc anytime? |
| 23:56:54 | linuxstb | Any idea what nick he uses? |
| 23:57:04 | RaeNye | linusn: another thing on the topic of I2C. the OF seems to change the divider (MFDR) when setting CPU frequency. Shouldn't we do this as well? |
| 23:57:06 | petur | Mmmm |
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| 23:57:37 | petur | Martin isn't much on irc |
| 23:57:40 | * | RaeNye votes for refactoring |
| 23:58:05 | * | RaeNye knows that RB is not a democracy, but still |
| 23:58:14 | linuxstb | RaeNye: I don't think a vote is needed... |
| 23:58:29 | linuxstb | (I think everyone likes target tree) |
| 23:58:53 | jhMikeS | RaeNye: Ne'er mind. I read it and yes the pins appear to be. |
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