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#rockbox log for 2006-07-14

00:00:45RaeNyeI can tell you how exactly the OF does it - it has 3 possible settings
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00:03:53BigMachi all
00:04:32RaeNyeAnother unrelated topic. The X5 OF seems to save its configuration block as the last flash sector. Do you think RB should support saving settings on flash instead of on the HDD?
00:04:58BigMacrae: do you own an x5?
00:05:26RaeNyeWhy, of course.
00:05:48BigMachow is it?
00:05:55BigMacis it worth its cost?
00:05:57RaeNyeThat's the main reason of me working on X5 related features in RB :)
00:06:34RaeNyeI have the 20GB bigger battery model. I like it very much
00:07:03RaeNyeThe drawbacks are the LCD size (could be bigger) - but this doesn't matter for audio
00:07:31*petur wonders what people do with such small capacity players
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00:08:03RaeNyepretty much everything else is just great.
00:08:12jhMikeSThe music is what matters. I'll buy one of those video players if I want to watch movies.
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00:08:42BigMacso the audio is as good as everyone says?
00:09:16linuxstbHas anyone done any recent battery benchmarks? I read a while ago that the battery consumption on the X5 was bad in Rockbox - but am assuming it's improving.
00:09:18RaeNyepetur: I seem to forget songs after 14 days of constant playback
00:09:41jhMikeSbigmac: The audio is great. yes. I use sennheiser px100 headphones.
00:10:07BigMaci hate this ipod linux
00:10:07BigMaci cant get it off though
00:10:09RaeNyelinuxstb: I get 25h on X5L with VBR MP3 crossfeed, replaygain
00:10:12BigMaci have to do a full restore
00:10:31linuxstbRaeNye: Any idea what the Cowan firmware can do with the same files?
00:10:37Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: How long do you get with the retail firmware with the same files?
00:10:43Paul_The_NerdYeah, what linuxstb said.
00:10:49RaeNyebigmac: the FM radio is not more than fair, but is sufficient
00:11:39RaeNyeIt's been a while since I last used the OF for anything but USBOTG... but I recall 30+ hours
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00:12:14RaeNyeI never listen that much consecutively...
00:12:43linuxstbSo still a little way to go...
00:12:44Paul_The_NerdIt'd be neat to have a comparative playback test, but at 25+ hours per run, that'd take a while.
00:13:43RaeNyejhmikes: it's true that only the music matters, but it'd be nice to have more screen space for WPS and to be able to support gameboy emulation (160x160 is just slightly more than the 160x128 X5 has)
00:14:06*linuxstb curses his 7 hour ipod...
00:14:34Paul_The_NerdWhat has 160x160?
00:15:08RaeNyelinuxstb: not necessarily, since the OF doesn't do replaygain and crossfeed. A more thorough test is required.
00:15:13RaeNyegameboy has
00:15:33linuxstbI think the gameboy is something like 160x144.
00:15:36Paul_The_NerdGameboy is 160x14
00:16:17RaeNyebut it's square... I just looked at it
00:16:43Paul_The_NerdThe screen can look square, but have rectangular pixels, perhaps/
00:16:57linuxstbYou can almost fit four gameboys on the 5g's 320x240 screen...
00:17:16RaeNyeMaybe, I donnu. Still 144>128
00:17:39RaeNyeon 320x240 you can view VCD and play ScummVM
00:17:45Paul_The_NerdI just realized the Sansa could do fullsized gameboy.
00:17:59RaeNyewhat's its size?
00:18:12RaeNyenot bad.
00:18:16Paul_The_NerdActually, ScummVM has been scaled to less than 320x240 screens, I believe.
00:18:23linuxstbVCD is 352 wide, (and 288 high for PAL)
00:18:43LinusNrockboy runs on the h1xx, which is 160x128
00:19:31RaeNyelinusN: and what is done with the surplus pixels?
00:19:38LandusUh, after I patch the source, what do I do to put the changes on my DAP?
00:19:45linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Does the Sansa have enough buttons?
00:19:47LinusNit has three modes iirc
00:19:49linuxstb(for Rockboy)
00:20:12BigMacwhat if i have no ipod control folder on my 5g?
00:20:22BigMacthe music is still on the pod
00:20:31LinusNskip the top 16 pixels, skip the bottom 16 pixels, or skip every X row evenly distributed
00:20:46Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: No, it's short by one. You have four directions, a center button, the record button, and the power button. (UDLR, B, A, and Start, I suppose), so nothing for select (toggle hold maybe? Or turn the scroller either direction?)
00:20:48RaeNyeLinusN: Umm... so what's missing for it to be running on X5? I think I might take a look....
00:21:17linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: At least it's better than the ipods... Toggle hold could be start.
00:21:28LinusNnot sure what would be missing, but i think the 160x128 mode is very grayscale oriented
00:21:35Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: Currently it assumes if it's a color target, it can display fullscreen. There's no color downscaling of the image size, I believe
00:21:46linuxstbBigMac: You mean the Apple firmware still sees the music?
00:21:50Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Select is actually not used in more than 60% of games, if I had to hazard a guess.
00:22:05Paul_The_NerdBigMAc: You sure the file isn't just hidden?
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00:22:18BigMacill check
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00:22:51LinusNtime for me to go to sleep
00:22:55BigMachow do i unhide a drive?
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00:23:02LinusNcu tomorrow
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00:23:42BigMaci guess ill just do a full restore and reinstall rockbox
00:24:08jhMikeSWhy do you sometimes get small clicks at track boundaries if you use LAME −−gapless? I thought it was supposed to be gapless.
00:25:08jhMikeSI encode a full CD with −−gapless <track list> and still there a tiny clicks.
00:25:16Paul_The_NerdUnder Rockbox?
00:25:39jhMikeSPaul: If that was for me. Yes, under rockbox.
00:25:52Paul_The_NerdDo they click under other programs, like Foobar2000?
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00:26:38jhMikeSPaul: Haven't tried it. Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
00:26:51Paul_The_NerdI'm just curious if it's a Rockbox bug, or an encoder issue.
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00:27:35jhMikeSI was curious too. It's especially obvious with something with uniform volume across the track boundaries.
00:28:04jhMikeSLike Space Intro./Fly Like an Eagle
00:28:32jhMikeSBut still quiet. No problem with OGG.
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00:29:20linuxstbThere are possibly still some bugs/limitations with MP3 gapless in Rockbox.
00:29:47linuxstbAre you seeking in the first track, or just playing it straight from start to end?
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00:30:02jhMikeSlinexstb: straight/seeking, makes no difference.
00:30:25jhMikeSI'm gonna try FooBar2000 as Paul suggested.
00:31:41linuxstbAlso, do you have any unusual tags, e.g. APE?
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00:32:02jhMikeSlinuxstd: No. Just ID3 1 and 2
00:32:25*linuxstb wonders if jhMikeS will ever get my nick correct :)
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00:32:56jhMikeS*LOL* My typing stinks! linuxstd! *LOL*
00:33:07earHertzCan I modify my GPL'd licensed code to deny its use by Verizon and Verizon employees?
00:33:11linuxstbYour client doesn't have tab completion?
00:33:35linuxstbearHertz: If it's your code, you can do anything. But it won't be GPL'd any more.
00:34:06earHertzThere ought to be a "No corportate use" version of teh GPL
00:34:13jhMikeS(S)evere (T)ire (D)amage
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00:34:29linuxstbjhMikeS: You're not the first to make that typo...
00:34:56jhMikeSlinexstb: Whew!
00:35:38linuxstbearHertz: One of the main points of the GPL is that it's free for everyone - no discrimination.
00:35:54jhMikeSlinuxstb: OMG. I got it this time.
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00:40:54earHertzlinuxstb: yeah, that's exactly teh problem
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00:49:30BigMachey how can i change my ipods name
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00:51:53linuxstbRockbox doesn't name your ipod.
00:52:25BigMacno but itunes chose to
00:52:32BigMacwhen i restored it
00:52:44BigMacit named it ipod
00:52:47jhMikeSJust tried the MP3 −−nogap on foobar2000 and it clicks there too. I'm using 3.96.1. I guess its not a thing to pursue here.
00:53:02BigMacand i liked it as Pod,
00:53:17BigMacbecause my drive is I
00:53:26BigMacso is is Pod,(I)
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00:54:30linuxstbBigMac: My point was that this isn't a general ipod/itunes support channel - it's for Rockbox... Try the forums at
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00:54:56BigMacok thank you
00:54:58linuxstbjhMikeS: That's good news in a way (it means you haven't found a Rockbox bug).
00:54:58S0apjhMikeS - what version of LAME are you using?
00:55:47jhMikeSS0ap: 3.96.1
00:56:02S0apand why do you try to force −−gapless? A-I am not sure that trigger /ever/ worked right. B-Using foobar and rockbox you don't need it...
00:56:13BigMacok i have a question pertaining to rockbox
00:56:29jhMikeSI've tried it both ways. Same result
00:56:45BigMacif i made a folder in root, and placed all my songs in their, would i need the songs in ipod control?
00:56:48pixelmajhMikeS: I don't have problems here with −−nogap here but I also set −−nogaptags (though I can't tell you more about it... I was told to)
00:56:50linuxstbjhMikeS: In foobar as well?
00:57:06Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Not if you're only listening to them in Rockbox.
00:57:11jhMikeSlinuxstb: Yes.
00:57:31S0apHydrogenAudio is the place for LAME issues
00:57:43jhMikeSpixelma: I use −−nogaptags as well when using −−nogap
00:57:44S0apbut be prepared to defend your use of that switch.
00:57:50linuxstb Isn't 3.96.1 quite old?
00:58:08S0apnot quite old
00:58:10S0apbut older
00:58:18jhMikeSlinuxstb: I believe that was a recommended version for using gapless LAME
00:58:27linuxstbIt's just that that's the version I have installed, and I can't remember installing it...
00:58:32S0ap3.90.3 is the previous recomended version, last I heard HA was thinking of switching recomendations to 3.97
00:58:49S0apjhMikeS - recommeded by who?
00:59:05BigMacalright i have to go make dinner for the children
00:59:09jhMikeSS0ap: Somewhere on the boards or the wiki. I don't recall.
00:59:59jhMikeSI could always try another version of course. :)
01:00:16Paul_The_NerdWhy not use Vorbis, since you've said it works?
01:00:39S0apare you sure the click isn't caused by a drive with an extremely high read offset not corrected for in the ripping program?
01:00:41jhMikeSPaul: That's what I've taken to doing.
01:00:53Paul_The_NerdGood plan. :)
01:01:44jhMikeSS0ap: If I rip to WAV, I get files that I can stitch together perfectly. The rips are right on with no gaps and the length mod 588 = 0.
01:02:55jhMikeSI use Exact Audio Copy and my drive rips with no errors or anything. Isn't that "accurate stream
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01:03:23Harryholding menu while pluging in usb
01:03:29Harrystill maeks it goto disk mode
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01:03:59linuxstbYour ipod needs to be running Rockbox before you hold menu and insert USB.
01:04:29*jhMikeS I'm cooking dinner to be chef
01:04:32S0apjhMikeS - see pm, as we have drifted from a rockbox topic.
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01:05:06jhMikeSS0ap: I know, that why said it's not an issure for here. Be back later...
01:05:20shirourhi all
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01:05:43shirouri've been working on a port for olympus mrobe for quite a while
01:05:50LandusAnyone alive?
01:05:58shirourso far i've been able to write a driver for the lcd & remote
01:06:04shirouri've managed to load code to the memory and run it
01:06:18shirourmy problem is that i don't seem to be able to get the hard drive to work....
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01:08:08sharpeahah! i have virtual memory mapping working. :D
01:08:11shirouranyone here has ever done it ?
01:08:24LandusWhen I'm trying to patch things and get a prompt asking "File to patch:" what do I type in?
01:11:14***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:12:44linuxstbshirour: What's the CPU?
01:14:19Harryi was runnign rock box
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01:16:05RaeNyelandus: try patch -p0 or patch -p1
01:17:16LandusNeither works.
01:17:24LandusI keep on getting this error when running the patch
01:17:32LandusUh, let me try.
01:17:51LandusNope. Same error.
01:18:06Paul_The_NerdLandus: It depends on where you run the patch from, because the patch tries to look for the files in certain places (you can see what file it's looking for, and where it's expecting it relative to where you are in the text on screen when it gives you that message)
01:18:08LandusCan't file file to patch at input line <blah>
01:18:09RaeNyeyou can also read the patchfile and see the level of the files inside
01:18:22earHertzlinuxstb: ?
01:18:45Paul_The_NerdHarry: Holding Menu while inserting the USB cable works. Have you tried it in an official build, or are you using one of the patched/modified builds from the forums?
01:18:54LandusI've tried copying it to the first directory that the patch modifies the .c file, but it doesn't change anything
01:19:20Paul_The_NerdLandus: Usually the patch command should be run from the /rockbox/ folder (The one that has tools, etc, in it)
01:19:21RaeNyeBTW, I don't mean you should write "patch -p0" in response to the "File to patch:" prompt, if you understood it that way
01:19:23Paul_The_NerdMaybe /rockbox-devel/
01:19:54LandusIt's /rockbox, and I tried the first time around.
01:20:25LandusThis is what's at the line where I get the first error.
01:20:26Landus@@ -430,7 +430,7 @@
01:20:45Paul_The_NerdLandus: Then type the path and filename in yourself when it prompts you for the file to apply it to.
01:21:26RaeNyeBye everyone!
01:21:37Harryim runnign rockbox
01:21:37*RaeNye snaps his finger
01:21:39Harryim holdign menu
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01:21:43Harryadn i plug usb cable in
01:21:47Harryadn it still goes to diskmode
01:21:48LandusWhat do I do if HUNK #1 and HUNK #2 fails?
01:22:02Paul_The_NerdHarry: I told you, it works in the official builds. Are you using one of those, or a modified one from the forums?
01:22:19linuxstbearHertz: ?
01:22:42earHertzlinuxstb: how should we be using teh IRAM? entirely for dsta?
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01:23:08LandusPaul_The_Nerd: I did what you said, and after awhile, it started patching without the prompts, but I got alot of HUNKs that failed.
01:23:21Paul_The_NerdLandus: Probably an out of date patch then.
01:23:30LandusIs it possible that it's because it's a .diff file?
01:23:42earHertzLandus: NO
01:24:07linuxstbearHertz: I don't think anyone is sure - given a lack of documentation, all we can do is experiment.
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01:24:31linuxstbBut my experience seems to say that it's better to use it for data.
01:24:37LandusI got the patch here.
01:24:43LandusIs it out of date?
01:24:57linuxstbearHertz: Although in some cases, putting data in iram has slowed things down...
01:25:04Paul_The_NerdLandus: Well, the date on it is about a month old
01:25:12Paul_The_NerdHarry: What?
01:25:14Harryim using pblackglass build
01:25:20Harryform the forums
01:25:21linuxstb(I'm thinking of when I was experimenting optimising pacbox)
01:25:25Harryfor julis wps
01:25:34Paul_The_NerdHarry: Then ask there if the button has been changed in that build.
01:26:05earHertzwe currently put mmecpy in IRAM
01:26:33Paul_The_NerdHarry: What?
01:26:38linuxstbearHertz: You mean for the other targets?
01:26:45linuxstb(e.g. Coldfire)
01:27:32earHertzfor ipod (and any oNo, wait, I'm incorrect. we do NOT
01:27:51S0apI don't think Harry can sit still long enough to wait for a forum reply.
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01:31:09Harryman we barely have any wps
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01:31:13Harryfor ipod 5g
01:31:15Harrythat look good
01:31:19Harryonly like 2or 4 them
01:31:21Harrylook good
01:31:30earHertzwps aren't supposed to look good
01:31:34Harryirviver onces ahve so many
01:31:39Paul_The_NerdHarry: So make some.
01:31:48Harry ill gfx it
01:31:49Harryu code it
01:32:11Paul_The_NerdThe WPS code is really easy anyway. It's just a bunch of tokens, primarily.
01:32:23Harrythen u can code
01:32:25Harrywhile gfx
01:32:32Paul_The_NerdAnd why can't you do the code?
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01:32:40Harrycasu ei suck at programign
01:32:41Harryadn codeing
01:32:56Paul_The_NerdHave you made a WPS before?
01:33:14Harrynad i dont plan on it
01:33:17Paul_The_NerdThen how do you know that you suck at it?
01:33:26Harryim to lazy
01:33:47Paul_The_NerdAnd everyone who's too lazy, just like you, is exactly why the 5G hasn't got as many WPSes as the H300
01:33:55Paul_The_NerdMore active community, and all that jazz.
01:33:58BigMachi can i ask about jbuild? whenever i scroll fast it skips to the bottom. i think this is the scroll accelerator. how do i turn it of?
01:34:20linuxstbSearch the settings
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01:34:44Harrybigmac yah i got the same problem
01:34:44linuxstb(I don't know if you can turn it off, but if you can, that will be how)
01:35:13Paul_The_NerdYou're much more likely to find answers about jbuild in the jblackglass thread.
01:35:49BigMaci know im posting there now i just wanted to see if anyone knew it about it so i could get a more instantaneous answer
01:36:00Harryhwo do i enable gayless palypack
01:36:13Paul_The_NerdYou don't.
01:36:25Paul_The_NerdIf the songs are encoded properly, they playback gaplessly.
01:36:30BigMacmaybe listen to a different tupe of music?
01:36:40S0apBigMac - just set the settings for the second and third setting of the scrollwheelaccelerator patch above 250, you'll like it better.
01:36:56BigMaci cant find it in the setting?
01:36:58S0ap(what an ugly sentence)
01:37:20BigMacwhat is it under?
01:37:37S0apyou won't break anything, look, I don't have my ipod infront of me. I navigate by muscle memory, not vision.
01:37:57earHertzS0ap: to just turn it off?
01:38:08earHertzBigMac: General settings
01:38:17earHertzIpod scroll wheel accel
01:38:24BigMacim looking
01:38:26BigMacim not seeing
01:39:00BigMacchange scroll speed?
01:39:03earHertzNo, no
01:39:22BigMacpaged scroll?
01:39:50earHertzBigMac: do you just not want scroll accel at all?
01:39:56BigMacwhat do i change
01:40:10BigMacwell is scroll accel what im describing
01:40:33BigMacafter scrolling for a few seconds it jump all the way to the bottom
01:40:38earHertzBigMac: menu| general settings|system|ipod scroll wheel accel
01:40:41BigMacbut i only have 90 songs
01:40:59earHertzDiod you compile your own build?
01:41:11BigMacok im at that menu
01:41:17BigMachow do i get rid of it
01:41:34earHertzok, go in there arnd for each accel threshold, set it to 250
01:41:58earHertzNobody like my scroll accel
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01:42:22BigMaci dont have enough songs to use it
01:42:23S0apearHertz: it is your hack?
01:42:26BigMaci understand it
01:42:26Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Hey! I don't dislike it! (I have not tried it....)
01:42:34BigMacits just i have 90 songs
01:42:43earHertzno, it's ok, I don't like it eithert
01:42:49BigMaci dont need to go fast through it
01:42:55BigMacif i had 100 id like it
01:43:20BigMacit still does it
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01:43:26S0apit seems to get twitchy (for lack of a better work) sometimes, I'd give you a proper description/bug report if I could reproduce it on a consistant basis, for all I know it's me.
01:43:26BigMacit just takes longer
01:44:28BigMacearhertz:its still doing it
01:44:32earHertzS0ap: yuou're using julius's build?
01:44:39BigMaccant i just turn it off
01:44:40BigMaci am
01:44:52earHertzNo, it has no provision for turning off
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01:45:08Paul_The_NerdIt wasn't meant to be used yet anyway, was it?
01:45:12BigMacso if i set it really high it wont work?
01:45:15earHertzIt's experimental
01:45:25earHertzBigMac: yeah, pretty much
01:45:27S0apearHertz - I have.
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01:46:18BigMaci set it all to 500
01:46:30BigMacdoes j build have album aart built iin
01:46:36BigMacart built in
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01:49:10Harryso bigmac
01:49:11Harryu fidn out
01:49:33BigMaci set it all to 500
01:49:34Harryhow do i not boot diskmode
01:49:40BigMacnow im good
01:49:52Harryif i connect usb in rockbox
01:49:56Harryit goes to diskmode
01:50:14BigMaci think it auto does that
01:50:22BigMac a patch perhaps..?
01:50:31BigMacim not sure im relatively new to rockbox
01:50:38Harrypaul said if u push a combination it doesnt
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01:51:23Harrypaul it works
01:51:27Harryjust u cant transfer songs
01:51:29Harrythats gay
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01:51:50BigMactee hee
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01:52:22BigMaci named my ipod drive I and my ipod Pod so it reads Pod(I:)
01:52:26BigMacget it
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01:52:51S0apall my gadgets have proper biblical names
01:53:18BigMaclol seriously?
01:54:10Paul_The_NerdHarry: If it doesn't enter Disk Mode, why on earth would you expect to be able to transfer songs?
01:54:21S0apipod = Samuel
01:54:37Paul_The_NerdWhy would we even *have* it go into Disk Mode if you could transfer songs without it?
01:54:47Harryso this is jsut for pwoer?
01:55:22BigMacis their anyway to change the diskmode icon, like you can in apple os?
01:56:08linuxstbYou can do anything - the source code is there for all to see and change.
01:58:39S0apI want a nekkid lady!
01:59:05Harryfor the bootsplash?
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01:59:42S0apthat too!
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02:14:29Harrywe should be able to change the bootsplash by our self
02:14:33Harrywith otu coding
02:15:20sharpethen you should do everyone a favor and implement it.
02:15:39sharpetoo bad then.
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02:23:28S0apI love how it's not "I might look into that and see how deep I'd be getting in", rather it's "
02:24:13BigMachey guys us there a description of what each of the audio effects do?
02:24:40S0apfor I am no C coder, but that should actually be nothing more than the swap of a bitmap before compile, and there are excellent docs on that in the wiki/google cache
02:24:49linuxstbBigMac: The manual?
02:24:54Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Yes, actually there is! It's called a "Manual"
02:25:13BigMacit tells me what the audio effects do?
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02:25:43S0apread it BigMac, and if you still have a question someone will help.
02:25:43linuxstbBigMac: What do you expect the manual to say?
02:25:54linuxstbIt describes how Rockbox works...
02:26:35S0apor google for the terms like "crossfeed" you'll get excellent defs on all of them.
02:27:05BigMacok thank you both
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02:27:23S0apI doubt anybody wants to type in a four paragraph explination of ReplayGain (suffice to say it is cool) when there are so many good docs on it.
02:28:02chris1I've got a n00b rockbox question here, any plug-in to allow syncing between my Canon 350D to the H120?
02:28:31chris1Also, any good site for themes? H120
02:29:08earHertzdoes teh error message "Prefetch abort" mean anything to anyone?
02:29:29earHertzat FFFDFFFC
02:29:57BigMacalight i have jbuild on my pod 5g (which has the rockbox patch embedded in it), and i run all my music from a folder called myTUNES. now if i put them all into folders that correspond to there album, could i put the album art named cover.bmp into each folder and it would show up as the album art?
02:30:34Paul_The_Nerdchris1: The H120 can't serve as a USB host
02:30:58Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Is that how the description of the album art patch tells you to do it?
02:31:51BigMacim checking the thread
02:32:07BigMacidk if i have to do it in id3 cache or what
02:32:32Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Might I suggest that you search the whole forum for "Album Art" as it's a separate patch, and so instructions may not go with build information
02:33:10BigMaci did
02:33:23chris1Thanks Paul
02:33:35BigMacbut there is many results and im not sure which ones are for jbuild
02:33:37linuxstbearHertz: I think it means the CPU is attempting to run code at an invalid memory address.
02:33:53linuxstbMaybe, for example, the stack is being corrupted.
02:34:01Paul_The_NerdBigMac: I doubt Julius has modified the album art patch any
02:35:46*linuxstb goes to sleep.
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02:37:23earHertzlinuxstb: thanks
02:37:48LandusDoes anyone know where .fnt files would go, or should I just drop them in .rockbox?
02:38:56midkay /.rockbox/fonts
02:39:03midkaythen "Browse fonts" in general settings-display.
02:39:48earHertzI wish linuxstb hadn't gone to sleep
02:40:35earHertzHow can I tell the address in mmeory of a function, from the map
02:41:12Landusmidkay: Thanks
02:41:13Paul_The_NerdLook at the map
02:41:18Paul_The_NerdIt'll have a start address for the function
02:41:24midkaynp, Landus.
02:41:29Paul_The_NerdIf it's between that and the next start address, it falls within that function
02:41:39BigMaccan you have blue 5g green 5g and jblackglass allinstalled at the same time?
02:42:19Paul_The_NerdThey're just themes, so you can switch between 'em.
02:42:30earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: thanks
02:42:50BigMaccan i have them all on my pod though
02:42:57BigMacor is it one or the other?
02:44:46Paul_The_NerdBigMac: You can switch themes with the "Browse Themes" option...
02:46:06BigMacoh i got confused
02:46:07Harrybigmac i thoguth that too until i figured out u can have as many as u wnat
02:46:18BigMacsorry i really suck at this
02:46:33BigMacis their a list of what roms work in rockboy
02:46:49Harryis ther a doom for rockbox
02:46:53BigMacbecause any that uses b is pretty useless
02:48:09Paul_The_NerdIt's built in...
02:48:10BigMac download rockdoom and doom1 place the wads in drive:games/doom
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02:53:07BigMacpaul what was that you said i needed to do to get a font to work on rockbox
02:53:15BigMacwhat converters did i need?
02:54:27Paul_The_NerdFontforge, or something else, to convert from TTF to BDF, then the bdf converting too included in the rockbox sources
02:55:34LandusWhat does it mean when "Dir buffer is full"?
02:56:30Paul_The_NerdIt means you haven't increased the limit yet, and you've entered a folder with 400+ files in it
02:56:39LandusHow do I increase the limit?
02:57:00BigMacnvm i wont be making fonts
02:57:02Paul_The_NerdIt's in the options somewhere. Under "Limits", under maybe General?
02:57:08BigMacto install it i have to use cgywin
02:57:18midgey34general settings > system > limits > max files in dir browser
02:57:25BigMacand i dont have a very high succsess rate with that program
02:57:54LandusPaul_The_Nerd: Got it. Thanks.
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02:58:41LandusNow when I enter that folder, my player freezes.
03:01:27LandusOh crap.
03:01:33LandusMy player isn't responding.
03:01:38LandusI can't shut it off or nothing.
03:01:48midgey34you'll have to reset
03:03:53BigMacdoes rockboy emulate gb or gbc
03:04:04midgey34BigMac: both
03:04:18midgey34gbc will probably be slower though
03:04:22LandusHow do I set the limit so I can view all the files in a directory, but not have the player freeze on me?
03:04:43midgey34what did you set the limit to?
03:04:53LandusI maxed it.
03:05:11BigMacdoes anyone have any gameboy roms
03:05:56midgey34yah thats not a good idea
03:06:05midgey34set it to something sane like 800
03:09:50BigMaci cant find plain gb roms anywere:-(
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03:11:57BigMacwhat is .sgb?
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03:16:33midgey34thats a gameboy game that has some special features when played on a suber gameboy(snes) or emulator that supports it
03:16:43midgey34otherwise it acts like a regular game
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03:19:15BigMacso will it work in rockboy?
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03:20:00midgey34I think so, just rename it to .gb
03:20:53midgey34any dev interested in helping me track down two bugs in the blackjack code
03:21:21BigMaci would but im not a dev
03:22:09BigMacanyone remember the name of that nes game with the two people on balloons and you try to pop eachothers baloons
03:22:13BigMaci cant remember it
03:22:16midgey34ballon fight?
03:22:47BigMacthat is the game
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03:26:59earHertzany devs here?
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03:27:37earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: are you a dev/
03:28:22Paul_The_NerdHm. I thought you'd already asked me that.
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03:31:05BigMacwhat is the point of rockboy
03:31:20BigMacthere isnt enough buttons for everything
03:31:54midgey34other targets have enough buttons...
03:32:33Paul_The_NerdearHertz: It's nothing to be sorry 'bout. It's a very common question is all, so I tend to assume I've been asked already.
03:32:41BigMacyou cant use 2 of the buttons
03:32:49Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Other Rockbox-able players have more than enough buttons.
03:33:01BigMacgot it
03:33:17BigMacwell that kinda sucks but what ever
03:33:29BigMacwho needs start and select anyway
03:33:32Paul_The_NerdIt only sucks because you bought a player without enough buttons.
03:33:52BigMaci didnt buy it for games.
03:34:03BigMacif i wanted games id have mot a psp
03:34:39Paul_The_NerdYup. I play gameboy games on a gameboy
03:34:55BigMacyah i just wanted to test it out
03:37:56BigMacdoes rockboy play gbc files?
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03:38:04JdGordonthe h300 is great for rockboy, excpe tht ebuttongs kill your fingers after a while
03:38:24BigMacyah i have a 5g
03:38:39JdGordonye, i wouldnt think the ipod layout would be good for rockboy
03:38:51JdGordonthe h100 is worse tho
03:39:18BigMacok and the directory for the roms is drive:games/gameboy/
03:39:28Paul_The_NerdIt's anywhere you want 'em
03:39:31BigMacand that is all i need to dl
03:41:09BigMacbubble bobble is out
03:41:15BigMaci need to pres start
03:42:19S0ap<sarcasm>What I need to to is port mozilla's mouse-gestures over for the ipod, that would replace the missing buttons!</s>
03:43:24Paul_The_NerdWell iBoy has a good scheme.
03:43:31Paul_The_NerdI even think there's a patch that enables it for Rockboy.
03:43:33BigMacnot for the ipod
03:43:48Paul_The_NerdBigMac: iBoy has a great scheme for the iPod. Have you tried it?
03:44:00BigMaci just tried it
03:44:00Paul_The_NerdThe one from iPodLinux?
03:44:05BigMacoh no
03:44:09Paul_The_NerdiBoy, NOT Rockboy
03:44:23BigMacwhy cant someone make them both have the same controls
03:44:40*Paul_The_Nerd points to the place where he used their names separately clearly indicating they are two distinct things, AND the fact that there's a patch that implements iBoy's controls for Rockboy.
03:44:56BigMacthere is?
03:45:02Paul_The_NerdI believe so.
03:45:22JdGordonrockboy has configurable keys anyway
03:45:41BigMacyah but it is buggy
03:45:42Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Configurable keys don't help much when you only have 5 buttons.
03:46:33BigMac which one 4857 or 5424
03:47:03JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: anything happening with the forum rearanging and the new groups?
03:47:53Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: I'm waiting to see if Jeff ever responds to my email about a few things.
03:48:08Paul_The_NerdBigMac: I don't know. Try one and find out, or read the descriptions.
03:48:46JdGordonah ok
03:49:20*JdGordon wonders why MR is hosting the forums and not the same servers as
03:49:44Paul_The_NerdBecause Jeff offered to, if I understand.
03:50:07Paul_The_NerdI still haven't found a good way to contact him. I emailed, because that's what their site told me to email to, but I think he may not read that.
03:50:56JdGordonpatients.. its prob filled with spam seen as its linked on the MR site, also he comes on here every so often i think
03:51:18JdGordonpm on the forums maybe?
03:51:26JdGordonanyway, im off
03:51:39Paul_The_NerdIf I don't get a response by monday, I'll try alternative means of communication, yeah.
03:55:33BigMacwhat does speech support do?
03:55:41Paul_The_NerdIt reads the menus to you.
03:55:49Paul_The_NerdWell, when it's working well, it does.
03:56:03earHertzI have Paul_The_Nerd's voice to read my menus
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03:56:39Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Is there any time Headbytes is not equal to 1? That's a very long list.
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03:56:43Harrydoes rockbox
03:56:48Harrysupport pdf viewing
03:57:14Harryso jpegs
03:57:16Harryand audio
03:57:18Harrythats all
03:57:25Paul_The_NerdSo far.
03:57:27Paul_The_NerdAnd text files
03:57:38Paul_The_NerdIt *is* an Audio Player.
03:57:39Harrypaul convert the munaul into text for me
03:57:49earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: I don';t see one, but I only have 4000 lines of logf, and all got filled
03:57:54Paul_The_NerdActually, it's in Latex in the sources, so you can have it convert to a lot of formats.
03:58:00BigMacso if your visually impared?
03:58:00earHertz(I upped it from the standard 1000)
03:58:05Harryanyoen want cucusoft ipod converter
03:58:06Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Primarily, yes.
03:58:21BigMaci like videora
03:58:31Paul_The_NerdHarry: That's commercial software.
03:58:36Harryconverts a full mvoie in 20-30 mintues
03:58:44BigMacso does videora
03:58:51Harrypaul u have to pay for cucosft full
03:58:58Harryi can give u full cracked verison
03:59:06Harryno videora take as long as the movie
03:59:13earHertzHarry: we're not intrested in warez here
03:59:14Paul_The_NerdHarry: That's what I'm talking about. DO NOT DISCUSS CRACKED OR ILLEGAL SOFTWARE HERE>
03:59:33Harrypaul can u link me to the txt rockbox manul
03:59:50BigMacyou could look on the site mate
03:59:57Paul_The_NerdHarry: I told you, it's LaTeX in the sources, which can probably be easily converted to text. I don't think there's a .txt of it.
04:00:07Harrywtfs latex
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04:01:00Harrypaul link me to the latex version
04:01:45earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: we should have an html mamnual
04:01:55Paul_The_NerdHarry: As I said, it's in the sources. Download the source archive.
04:02:04Paul_The_Nerdwehn_: Probably a bug.
04:02:34wehn_Paul_The_Nerd: shall I add it?
04:02:37Paul_The_NerdearHertz: There's a wiki manual, but the wiki's down. A HTML manual might be nice, as well as a simple HTML viewing plugin to make it fun to read.
04:02:53Paul_The_Nerdwehn_: Probably a good idea.
04:03:27Harryi converted the pdf manul to txt
04:03:30Harryif anyone wants it
04:03:42Harryyou shpould put it in the daily rockbox build
04:03:47Harryso people read it
04:04:10Harryhow do i view txt
04:04:10earHertz Harry can you host it and provide a link?
04:04:14Harryone sec
04:04:46Paul_The_NerdWhy should a text version of the manual be in the dailies, if the pdf is available from the daily build page?
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04:04:52Paul_The_NerdIt's not something people should have to download more than once.
04:05:03Harrycause then epople can view on the rockbox
04:05:14earHertzhe does have a point
04:05:20Harry <−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- txt
04:05:22Harryno images
04:05:32Harrypaul its on the go manul
04:05:33Harryjsu tincase
04:05:56Harryyo i created a ipod ico
04:06:02Harryto show up in my computer
04:06:07Harryas a utorun
04:06:24BHSPitMonkeythe one I use for an autorun probably looks better
04:06:30Harryshow me
04:06:32Paul_The_NerdI don't think it's really that necessary or useful to have a manual on the iPod or player.
04:06:39Paul_The_NerdMost people who know about the manual, have already looked stuff up in it.
04:06:41Harrypaul it is
04:06:43Harryon the go
04:06:51Harryand people will see it mroe
04:06:56Harrycause it will be in ther root
04:07:13Harrycan u me ur icon
04:07:18Harrywats ur aim
04:07:25Paul_The_NerdHarry: Please, can you try to use whole words?
04:07:34BigMacwait i can view txt files on my pod?
04:07:38Paul_The_NerdIt's TWO more letters, and it helps for people who have to use translation software.
04:07:43earHertzHarry: what's your native langauge?
04:07:44Harrybig mac thorw rockbox
04:08:07Harryear indian first then english then french
04:08:32S0apDid I miss the secret? Why is the manual in PDF?
04:08:45Paul_The_NerdS0ap: Because LaTeX likes being converted to PDF?
04:08:49Harryto shwo images
04:09:16Paul_The_NerdThere are automated converters from LaTeX->HTML as well as I'm sure TXT, so it could be added into the build process to create a manual to include easily from the format we have.
04:09:22S0apis the original latex in the CVS you say?
04:09:40S0apMuch easier to read HTML on my palmpilot.
04:09:51Paul_The_NerdS0ap: Indeed it is, in the manual module. In fact with any build target, you can choose (M)anual instead of (N)ormal to make it if you have the packages installed
04:10:53BigMacok i opened the text and now i have a black screen
04:10:55BigMacon my pod
04:10:56Paul_The_NerdTo make the PDF one rather
04:11:14Harryi donno paul said it supports txt
04:11:31BigMacwell it doesn't
04:11:36Paul_The_NerdIt does.
04:11:43Paul_The_NerdYou click on a .txt file
04:11:44Paul_The_NerdThat's it.
04:11:50Harrythen how come bigs
04:11:55Paul_The_NerdBut it could be that his background and foreground colors are both black
04:11:57BigMacit does not support a file that large then
04:12:03Harrythen how come bigs came out ina blacks creen
04:12:29Paul_The_NerdI think there is a limit on text file size, but I think it's more than 226k
04:12:45BigMacwell it didnt load
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04:12:53BigMacthe screen went black
04:13:43S0apmaybe it is one of the 15 patches of your custom build...
04:14:07Harrysoap try tit on ures
04:14:07BigMacidk could be
04:14:24Harryyo how do i change the fonts colour
04:14:55BigMacwhy do you say yo so often?
04:15:01Harryi donno
04:15:02BigMacit is wierd
04:15:09Harryokay how do i change fotns colour
04:15:22Paul_The_NerdLooks like the file is too big.
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04:15:48S0aplast thing I'll say before going to bed, BigMac - you might want to consider installing a stock daily build until you are comfortable with what-is-what, it will not only help people help you, but it will hasten _your_ learning process.
04:16:16BigMaci like j blackglass
04:16:25BigMacand the doom scroll patch
04:16:31BigMacand i cant patch myself
04:16:38BigMacso i dont have many other options
04:16:54S0apfor you don't know if you are chasing a problem with your usage, a patch, or rockbox. Switching to a daily can eliminate one of those variables, making the math much easier.
04:17:26BigMacwell we found out my pod is fine the text was just to big
04:17:43Paul_The_NerdActually no
04:17:44Paul_The_NerdThe text is fine
04:17:45Paul_The_NerdNot too big
04:17:50Paul_The_NerdIt starts with whitespace.
04:17:55Paul_The_NerdSo it triggers the whitespace bug.
04:17:58BigMacPaul_The_NerdLooks like the file is too big.
04:18:06Paul_The_NerdYes, but I was WRONG when I said that.
04:18:07Paul_The_NerdIt happens
04:18:10earHertzws bug?
04:18:14Paul_The_NerdI investigated further, and found the real problem
04:18:26BigMacso what do we need to do to fix it/
04:18:37Paul_The_NerdearHertz: The text viewer doesn't work with files that start with whitespace for some reason. It *may* have been fixed in the newest CVS, I seem to recall something. Mine's a couple days old
04:19:02Paul_The_NerdNope, it's not fixed
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04:19:10Paul_The_NerdJust checked the changelog, no recent changes to viewer.c
04:19:15BigMacit doesnt start with whitepace though...
04:19:21Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Yes, it does.
04:19:32BigMacyou mean the indent?
04:19:57BigMacso if we unindent it it will work?
04:19:58earHertzspace, tab, linefeed vertical tab
04:20:13Paul_The_NerdBigMac: Yes, if the first letter of the whole document is an actual letter or number, it'll be fine.
04:20:16earHertzBigMac: just nmake sure it sharts with a character
04:21:10BigMacanyone else digging on the tower of power
04:21:42S0apI zipped up
04:21:51S0apso stop looking
04:22:35BigMaclooks nice
04:22:48BigMaci have a black background and white text
04:23:18BigMacthis will be handy for using guides
04:23:32BigMacis their a way to go from ebook to .txt
04:25:09earHertz BigMac depends on teh ebook format
04:27:10BigMaci just copied and pasted everything
04:27:56S0apthe program to convert .lit files to HTML and CSS is called clit.
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04:28:40BigMacok i know have the anarchists cookbook on my pod
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04:29:47BigMacare .txt the only readable file formats
04:29:51BigMacwhat about html
04:30:25S0apif your brain can do the markup...
04:31:32BigMacwhat do you mean coding a reader or making a html document?
04:32:20Paul_The_NerdHe means that HTML is just TXT with tokens in it.
04:32:45Paul_The_NerdIf you just imagine that <br> means a new line and so on, no reason you can't read HTML
04:32:54BigMacbut can it read it like it would be on a webpage
04:33:17BigMacbecause it very hard to distinguish headings in a .txt
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04:33:59Paul_The_NerdClearly it can't if we're telling you that you'd have to imagine it...
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04:36:10BigMaci hate how. txt has no shortcuts
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05:27:43afruffWhat happened with the july 10th, 16:22 build ?
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05:29:43sharpeit compiled?
05:31:57afruffit ahs a bunch of red boxes on it at the CVS build page
05:32:05sharpethen it didn't compile.
05:32:54Paul_The_NerdThe red's all on a 3 day old build
05:33:00Paul_The_NerdThere's no red on the latest build...
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05:36:07afruffIf a patch was commited to CVS at 21:34, then would the 21:35 build have it?
05:36:23Paul_The_NerdThe build can take a few minutes.
05:36:31sharpethey're not instant...
05:36:43Paul_The_NerdIf you click the date next to the build, it tells you the commit that started that build
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05:38:21afruffThe latest 21:35 build does have the 21:34 commit
05:38:28afruffthe subline fix
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05:54:46I_stephenHeya guys
05:54:58I_stephenJust thought I'd offer you a bit of moral support
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05:56:23I_stephenit really makes my blood boil when websites like yours are defaced. Rockbox is a product that works for people who are blind, and nutcases like the one who hacked your website last week really ruin all the fun for everybody
05:56:50I_stephenI am a totally blind computer user
05:57:34earHertznot a nutcase. a spammer
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05:57:45I_stephenthey're just as bad
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05:57:54I_stephena spamming nutcase
05:58:00earHertzso you use the voice menus?
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05:58:15I_stephenNot yet, I need an ipod to try it out on
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05:58:37I_stephenI have a creative muvo fm mp3 player
05:58:45I_stephenunfortunately rockbox won't work with that
05:59:29I_stephenanyways, I have to leave you guys for a while. I'll cya in an hour or so
05:59:30earHertzyeah. it works with ipods, although not as well as it could
05:59:33sharpei had a creative muvo once... accidentally washed it, worked as a usb drive for a few weeks after that.
05:59:49I_stephencya guys
05:59:52earHertzsharpe: you wash?
05:59:53I_stephentalk to ya later
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06:00:14sharpeearHertz: ...
06:00:21earHertzsharpe: ?
06:00:44sharpeit was washed along with clothes
06:01:01earHertzyou're not a real hacker
06:01:12sharpei never claimed to be. :D
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06:02:56Jungti1234anyone have iPod?
06:03:09Jungti1234I have question
06:03:16sharpewe've an answer.
06:03:54earHertzyeah, in the future, just ask
06:03:59Jungti1234If use Rockbox, can't I listen to music by Apple OS?
06:04:15sharpeyes, you can.
06:04:16earHertzyou can boot into apple or rockbox
06:04:18Paul_The_NerdRockbox on iPod dual boots just like on iRiver.
06:04:28Jungti1234nono I mean..
06:04:42earHertzyou mean itunes music? not if it has drm
06:04:53sharpeyou can use tagcache to index the music itunes places on thine ipod.
06:05:15Paul_The_NerdMusic from the iTunes store will not work, and is unlikely to ever work. Other music you use iTunes to rip or encode will work.
06:06:00earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: if it's drm'd. I have podcasts tat are mp3 format. i got them via the itunes store, but they're free
06:06:12Jungti1234Music don't saw.
06:06:29sharpeearHertz: but they're just downloaded via itunes.
06:06:38earHertzsharpe: yes
06:06:45Jungti1234There is no music in list.
06:06:55Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Hm. I suppose I should've said "purchased" from the iTunes store.
06:07:08earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: yeah.
06:07:33earHertzJungti1234: you're running rockbox, and don't see your music?
06:07:38Paul_The_NerdI still think someone extremely bored should make a FairPlay codec, just for playback (no saving of decoded files)
06:08:19sharpehah, i'm at the extremely bored part.
06:08:31Jungti1234no, in iPod
06:08:34Jungti1234ah, Apple OS
06:08:35earHertzsharpe: you a coder?
06:08:51sharpeearHertz: i do some.. yes...
06:08:57Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: Well, this is not the right place to ask questions about AppleOS. But... are you using iTunes to transfer the music to it?
06:09:23earHertzJungti1234: run tagcache
06:09:35Jungti1234But, it worked well before use Rockbox.
06:10:07Jungti1234ahh, have onec more problem.
06:10:10Paul_The_NerdearHertz: He's in Retail
06:10:25Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: The newest Apple firmware has a change that causes songs not to show up if you have Rockbox installed.
06:10:36Jungti1234Look that song title is 'Untagged'.
06:10:54Jungti1234but It has ID3Tag.
06:11:07Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: I just told you, it's an issue in the retail firmware.
06:11:15earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: wtf?
06:11:23Jungti1234Apple's problem?
06:11:30Paul_The_NerdFor some reason the newest version doesn't show songs properly after users install Rockbox
06:11:40Paul_The_NerdOlder versions worked fine, but the most recent firmware update doesn't.
06:11:49earHertzin the retail os they don't show up?
06:11:58Jungti1234OK paul
06:12:02Jungti1234thanks... :)
06:12:17Paul_The_NerdI upgraded firmware, flashed Rockbox, synced the songs over with iTunes, they did not show up
06:12:19Jungti1234tag, music all?
06:12:22Paul_The_NerdI restored bootpartition.bin, the songs showed up.
06:12:50Paul_The_NerdThe bootpartition contained the new firmware, but of course no rockbox, and was *before* I synced the songs, so nothing goes on in the firmware partition when syncing to register songs or anything
06:13:01Paul_The_NerdIt could very well be Apple saying "We aren't playing ball any more."
06:13:14Jungti1234Music doesn't look in Apple firmware.
06:13:15Jungti1234ID3 Tag doesn't look in Rockbox.
06:13:42Jungti1234Are all two Apple's problem?
06:14:07Paul_The_NerdIf the ID3 tags aren't showing up in Rockbox you should make sure the files are validly tagged
06:15:00earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: DO IT AGAIN, BUT remove rockbox.ipod and rename .rockbox to something else
06:16:12Paul_The_NerdDoing it sah!
06:17:12Jungti1234what is 'validly tagged'
06:17:26Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Still nothing. Having our bootloader in the boot partition keeps songs from showing up for some reason
06:17:30earHertzJungti1234: means has teh correct tags
06:17:32Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: The tags are correct.
06:18:00earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: hmm
06:18:09earHertzthanks gor checking
06:18:39Paul_The_NerdI thought the image created even keeps the ipod firmware in the same place, doesn't it? Or am I mistaken on that one?
06:18:43Jungti1234that tag seem well in H300.
06:19:03Jungti1234maybe it's only iPod problems...
06:19:07earHertzwell, it displaces teh retailos oss bootloader
06:19:09Paul_The_NerdJungti1234: Try copying the same files by dragging them over, and see if the tags are okay in Rockbox
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06:20:32Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Well, I'm always up for experimenting if you have ideas later. 's a lot of what I do around here. :)
06:20:53earHertzwell, it really doesn't matter if it's intentional or not
06:21:13earHertzeither way it screws things up
06:21:53Paul_The_NerdI wonder if the firmware expects some magic from their bootloader or something.
06:23:08earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: or just calculates a checksum
06:23:32Paul_The_NerdEach firmware version would then come with a checksum for its own bootloader. =/
06:24:36Paul_The_NerdThat could prove frustrating for the people who still use it.
06:24:49earHertzand for newbies to use rockbox
06:24:59Paul_The_NerdFor newbies?
06:25:16earHertzanyone who has upgraded to the neww retailos
06:25:39earHertzwill have to choose between rockbox or apple
06:25:43Paul_The_NerdI don't know which iPods it affects yet, beyond Nano
06:25:45earHertzno more dual booting
06:25:51sharpei just realized, i was going to write a tutorial on upgrading the apple firmware without reinstalling the bootloader, but never got around to it.
06:25:56Paul_The_NerdFortunately Nano has no real argument for just using RB except battery life
06:27:05Paul_The_NerdIf it were a checksum, could we replace the value it compares it to with one appropriate to our bootloader during the ipod_fw merge step?
06:27:22sharpei believe so.
06:28:11earHertzwell, perhaps
06:28:30sharpeunless it were somehow... encrypted...
06:28:36earHertzdepends on how sneaky apple wants to be
06:28:37sharpewhich wouldn't make much sense.
06:28:45sharpeencrypting a checksum...
06:29:05Paul_The_NerdYeah, or it could all just be a minor side effect of some sort.
06:29:17Paul_The_NerdCould a significant change in size in the Apple FW affect things negatively?
06:29:48sharpei don't see why it would, but that's just me.
06:30:30Paul_The_NerdBecause they did add all that Nike stuff.
06:30:43sharpemaybe it's really nike against rockbox. :)
06:31:17Paul_The_NerdThe Apple_os.bin is like, 5,400k, which is more than I remember the old one being.
06:31:19Paul_The_NerdI think
06:31:46Paul_The_NerdIt's a sensor that goes in shoes.
06:31:48sharpethe ipod to shoe communication.
06:31:53Paul_The_NerdAnd lets you use the iPod to keep track of workouts
06:32:07Paul_The_NerdIt even has a Power Song feature, where you pick a song, and when it thinks you're getting tired, that song kicks in.
06:32:14earHertzyou conn4enect your shoes to the ipod?
06:32:20Paul_The_NerdOne shoe
06:32:31earHertzoh for christ';s sake
06:32:43Paul_The_NerdIt's a sensor that certain Nike shoes have a pocket for.
06:32:46Paul_The_Nerdunder the heel
06:32:59Paul_The_NerdOr you could modify a normal shoe for it, so you don't have to spend $100 on new shoes just for your iPod.
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06:33:26earHertzor you could stick teh sensor up you ass, and chamge songs by clenching youre sphincter
06:33:26sharpeit sounds so funny, "spend $100 on new shoes just for your ipod."
06:34:25Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Don't say such things. There's probably a market...
06:35:08sharpeand what you just said is now, permanently in the logs.
06:35:45Paul_The_NerdI didn't know there are logs of this channel in like, several other places too.
06:36:01sharpeother places?
06:36:42scorchelike my computer? =P
06:36:54Paul_The_NerdI did a google for some phrase I knew was in the logs, and forgot to include, and ended up getting logs of our channel at two or three websites besides Rockbox.
06:37:17sharpei just realized. i could now implement malloc()/free() in my kernel design... because i've virtual memory correctly working...
06:37:25earHertzscorche: DHS
06:37:38scorchedavis high school?
06:37:46sharpescorche: yes.
06:37:48earHertzhomelansd seciurity
06:38:43scorchewhy would they want our logs?
06:38:57earHertzopen sorce == terriorists
06:39:20sharpeit must be true!
06:40:17Paul_The_NerdOnce we figure out the iPod USB code, we can set up a hidden distributed computing system with them, and harness the power of iPod users to break encryption, them sending analyzed packets back to us every time they sync! Muahahaha! And other villainous things!
06:40:34sharpePaul_The_Nerd: client for ipods. :)
06:41:08scorcheok...i just went back into the logs and found a phrase....searched and was the only site that came up
06:41:44*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
06:41:52Paul_The_NerdThis was about a month and a half ago.
06:42:44scorchechose one from middle of may and same thing
06:43:05Paul_The_NerdFair enough
06:43:26Paul_The_NerdThere's one of 'em
06:43:34scorcheha...nov 05
06:44:00scorchewtf?....did they mix up the names or something?
06:44:09Paul_The_NerdAll the places I saw had scrambled names
06:46:42earHertzanyplace I can find free audio books
06:47:11Paul_The_NerdProject Gutenberg has some right?
06:47:14*earHertz smacks sharpe
06:47:29earHertzyeah, but softw ware
06:47:38Paul_The_NerdHuman read
06:47:59Paul_The_NerdNot terribly many
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07:20:13Harrywhats up guys
07:20:50Harryi found way to install ipl loader 2 only
07:21:41Harrywhats up
07:21:51Harrywats new in rockbox
07:22:45Harryhow do i run doom
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07:56:29sharpegod. mistaking a channel for another.
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07:58:13Harryy does rockbox 3.0 work for ipods
07:59:07Harryand r the ipod builds even being updated
08:02:13Bg3rHarry first of all, rockbox 3.0 isn't ready yet
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08:16:04amiconnHmm, no Paul_the_Nerd ...
08:19:35sharpemaybe he's sleeping?
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08:26:12Bg3rwow ... my Rockbox dir is 3.8GB ..
08:26:41sharpei'm hoping not on your player.
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08:27:19Bg3rno, the dev dir on my PC + all crosscompilers
08:27:35sharpeoh. in that case.
08:30:17midgey341.14 GiB, but I'm sure I could clean that up
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08:37:00sharpegah; i forgot, can you preform pointer arithmetic on void pointers without casting them?
08:37:41Bg3ri think the compiler must know how much to advance the address .. so i suppose no, u can't
08:37:41amiconnIn gcc you can
08:38:18amiconnIt's a gcc extension; void pointers behave like char pointers for pointer arithmetic, i.e. offsets are in bytes
08:38:30sharpeoh well, i'll just play it safe anyway.
08:38:46Bg3rsharpe what r u working on ?
08:39:14sharpemalloc/free implementation in a operating system kernel i've decided to work on.
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09:02:15saratogais there a mirror for the X5 bootloader somewhere?
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09:02:22saratogamy friend is bugging me for it
09:06:10midgey34if any coder would like to take a look at my blackjack code, I'd appreciate some criticism, comments, or help solving my two remaining bugs
09:06:22midgey34the zip file is at
09:06:46midgey34but I'm going to sleep, I'll read the logs when I get up
09:09:17Bg3rand what are your 2 remaining bugs ?
09:10:21LinusN1. when split 2 has more than 4 cards it looks up
09:10:31LinusN2. dealer cards are drawn instead of split 2 cards
09:11:02midgey34those comments make sense?
09:12:08LinusNnot really, since i don't know the rest of the code :-)
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09:13:23midgey34basically they occur when splitting. if the second hand of a split has more than 4, it locks up
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09:13:50|Lupin|Hi, there.
09:13:53Slasherihmm, i think i will not use checksums in the runtimedb/tagcache. Instead changelog files would contain original tags (filename, artist etc.) and modified ones. That way renaming files or changing some tags, it would be posible to match other unchanged tags and find the correct entry
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09:14:10Slasheriand that can be done automatically when there is just a single match
09:14:17midgey34otherwise, the dealer's cards are drawn in place of the second hand of the split when the final output is displayed
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09:45:54saratogadoes formatting the iaudio remove rockbox like it does on the ipod? or does it actually flash stuff
09:46:11peturit does on almost all targets
09:46:44peturonly a bootloader gets flashed, the rest is on disk for easy upgrading
09:48:35LinusNok, the wiki is back up, let's hope i didn't miss anything
09:48:37elljayhas anyone else had the problem that after plugging in the ipod via usb i lose all my settings in rockbox including my theme selection?
09:48:51peturhooray for LinusN ;)
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09:49:42peturelljay: settings are only saved during normal shutdown, so after changing, shutdown
09:49:43LinusNelljay: rockbox doesn't save the settings until you shut it off
09:50:02elljayahh, good to know
09:50:04elljaythanks guys
09:50:32LinusNin fact, it might be a good idea for rockbox to save the settings before entering usb mode, on the ipod
09:51:17elljaywell that's what i wasnt figuring out becaue if i wasnt sitting infront of my pc
09:51:32elljayadding music, doing changes waddin more music usbing again
09:51:35elljayi never would have noticed it
09:51:40elljaybecause in the car i shut it down before i get out
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09:56:37sharpewell. i suppose i have the malloc working.
09:56:49LinusNwee, it's july 14, vive la france!
09:57:06scorche`isnt that the 24th?
09:57:11elljayand 6 days after my birthday!
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09:58:28LinusNno, it's the 14th, when they stormed the bastille
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10:24:47sharpeooh. i just broke malloc.
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10:26:38saratogain linux is there some way to confirm i've got a multiprocessor kernal installed?
10:27:17Bg3rcat /proc/cpuinfo ?
10:27:22Bg3runame -a ?
10:27:29saratogacpuinfo didn't make it clear
10:27:42Mikachuzcat /proc/config.gz
10:28:13Bg3ryep, just to suggest it
10:28:35saratogai don't have a proc/config.gz
10:29:00Bg3rdid you compile the kernel yourself ?
10:29:12saratogano, it came with ubuntu 6.06
10:29:46Bg3rhm, what about the lilo/grub choices?
10:29:50saratogathe install was amazingly screwed up though due to my laptop
10:30:23saratogauname -a says i have kernel 2.6.15-26-386
10:30:32saratogadoes that sound correct
10:30:40Bg3ranything SMP ?
10:31:05saratogai guess its wrong then
10:31:06Bg3rokay, r u running it on a computer with 2 CPU cores ?
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10:31:22Bg3rand there's only one cpu in /proc/cpuinfo ?
10:31:40saratogayes there is
10:31:45saratogaso that clears it up
10:31:52Bg3rthen i'm pretty sure it's not SMP
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10:35:15saratogalooks like i can install an SMP kernel via Synaptic pretty easy though
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10:41:36saratogashould i be using binutils 2.16 or 2.16.1? or does it not matter
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11:05:36sharpeoh well. i still haven't fixed my broken malloc()... i fix it when i wake up.
11:05:39sharpegoodnight everyone.
11:05:40amiconnsaratoga: I recommend 2.16.1, but it doesn't matter much
11:06:01sharpei could've sworn i typed "i'll" instead of "i"
11:06:31sharpenight people.
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11:16:19elljayYou will need rockbox with the Album Art and Scrolling Margins Patches to use this theme.
11:16:31elljayare those included in the latest daily build?
11:17:04peturbut there are some users in the forums that offer patched builds
11:17:22saratogawhats the status of Rockbox 3.0 anyway?
11:17:29saratogahave they nearly finished it?
11:17:57petur3.0 will be what you see now minus open issues ;)
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11:20:53loucan you guys come up with something so that i can fire laserbeams out of my iPod ?
11:21:08louin 3.0 that is
11:21:18*lou writes a feature request
11:21:31*petur hands lou the prize for the weirdest feature request
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11:22:53LandusAnyone awake?
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11:25:05elljayalbum art
11:25:17elljaywht's the defult name for the file?
11:25:50PaulJamcover.bmp (if that's what you mean)
11:25:52linuxstbI believe it looks for various different names. Read the description of the patch in the patch tracker.
11:27:07elljaydoes it support
11:27:11elljayor .gif?
11:27:27LandusHow do I remove everything from my dynamic playlist?
11:27:29PaulJamcurrenly only .bmp
11:27:54PaulJamLandus: stop playback
11:27:57LandusI inserted the folder that has all my music and I don't want it all in the playlist.
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11:33:44LandusWhile a few people are awake.. does everyone put their music in one folder and just hold the down button when looking for a song?
11:34:35safetydanLandus, music/artist/album/01-track.ext is usually how I have my music layed out
11:35:08PaulJami use: /Musik/Artist/Album/## Title.mp3
11:35:44LandusI might do the same, but take out the album.
11:36:16LandusBack when I used .mp3 and fixed the VBR header, the ID3 tags got warped.
11:36:38LandusI lost alot of the albums, and I've sold a handful of CD's since then.
11:40:21LandusEverytime I add a track to the playlist, a small circle icon appears in the top-right for a second, then fades away.
11:40:55LandusIs it some kind of symbol to let the user know the player is working"?
11:41:31linuxstbThat's the disk activity icon.
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11:59:30elljaythe albun art patch
12:00:00elljaywhat's the size for the graphic?
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12:00:25PaulJamdepends on the wps.
12:03:49elljayif i'm making a standard cover art image
12:03:53elljaywhat's the standard?
12:04:20elljaybmp gif etc 100x100 or 64x64 or will it be resised?
12:05:08elljayis there a standard size?
12:05:13PaulJamyou need to resize it yourself to the size the wps expects and save it as .bmp
12:05:25safetydanelljay, depends on the wps you've chosen
12:05:27midkayit all depends on the size the wps wants.
12:05:33linuxstbelljay: If I was you, I would keep the original images (all my album art is around 500x500 JPG), and then batch-resize it to whatever the WPS you are using needs it to be.
12:05:36safetydansome are 100x100, some are 75x75
12:06:19elljaycan you guys reccomend a tool for for Windows?
12:06:29PaulJamirfan view
12:06:35elljayirfan view
12:07:01linuxstbI'm sure there is a lot of discussion about album art on the misticriver forums.
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12:09:32elljayamarok in linux grabs images from amazone
12:10:03elljayany quick tool lik that?
12:11:18PaulJammaybe you find something here :
12:11:51linuxstbI use albumart-qt under Linux, but it works under Windows as well:
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12:11:57linuxstbBut there may be better windows-only tools.
12:13:17PaulJami used google, propably the worst method.
12:13:46elljayso how do you tell by looking at the .wps 75/75 or 100/100?
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12:14:36PaulJammost times the author mentions it in the description of the wps
12:14:49LandusAlbum art?
12:14:59LandusBesides it's a patch, what does it do?
12:15:54LandusCan anyone change the topic.
12:15:56LandusThe twiki is back up.
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12:33:21amiconnLinusN: Twiki diff display still doesn't use the rockbox skin, like this:;rev2=53
12:33:48LinusNi know
12:34:13LinusNand i can't for the life of me understand now the damn twiki templates for the rdiff work
12:36:36elljayi got the album art working
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12:55:13LinusNdepressing fact: google for "tramadol rockbox" :-(
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12:57:58safetydanthat's bad
12:58:12safetydanlow life spammer scum
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12:58:33louwelcome to the world wide web
12:59:08LinusNmust be plenty of money to be made for that shit
13:00:27midkaylots of results for that search..
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13:00:51*qwm pees all over
13:01:39lou(LinusN) must be plenty of money to be made for that shit
13:01:47louyou would be surprised how much indeed
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13:29:08qwmgood night. :>
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13:31:52peturthe little kid goes to bed early today
13:32:21louFri Jul 14 13:32:21 CEST 2006
13:32:23loui agree
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13:42:22LinusNhas anybody tried any of the remote control patches from Mmmmm?
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13:55:45Genre9mp3About the remote... since #4860 has an "ugly" aprroach for the H300 LCD buttons, I was wondering about #5661 (haven't tested yet, though)
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13:59:28Bg3rthe same thing ...
13:59:43Bg3r#define BOOKMARK_RC_SELECT BUTTON_RC_MENU /* for H1x0 remote */
13:59:52Bg3r#define BOOKMARK_RC_SELECT2 BUTTON_RC3_MENU /* for H3x0 remote */
14:00:29Genre9mp3Bg3r: So both have the same approach?
14:00:53Bg3rafics, yes
14:01:16Genre9mp3I see..
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14:04:16linuxstbLinusN: I think TiMiD has commented (in the forums) on some of Mmmm's patches.
14:05:16linuxstbI think the discussion I remember was about the virtual keyboard patch.
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14:38:49shriphanierm people i put rockbox on my ipod but are the vorbis codecs preinstalled or should i go get them ?
14:39:25PaulJameverything is included
14:39:34shriphanioh cool
14:39:45shriphanibut how do i sync vorbis to my ipod ?
14:40:11shriphanii am using ubuntu linux
14:40:12PaulJamjust copy them with your favourite filemanager.
14:40:34shriphanibut will the ipod recognise it ?
14:40:45shriphanicuz i want them in my id3 database
14:41:24PaulJamrockbox will recognize them, the apple firmware will not.
14:41:43shriphaniso i cant see them in my id3 database ?
14:42:45PaulJamdo you mean tagcache?
14:43:32PaulJamif tagcache is set to autoupdate, then they will be added automatically
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14:43:53shriphaniok so can i use gtkpod for syning them ?
14:44:04shriphanisyncing ^
14:44:25shriphanithat is them vorbis songs
14:44:42PaulJami have no idea what gtkpod is, but try it and you will see if it works
14:45:15shriphanii use linux so gtkpod is a reliable ipod client for ipods
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14:49:00peturshriphani: rockbox doesn't use the ipod db so there's no need to try to add those songs to it (afaik - don't have an ipod)
14:49:38shriphanibut will i see them songs in tagcache ?
14:50:11peturyes, tagcache should update itself automatically in the background
14:50:27peturjust drag-drop the files
14:50:34shriphaniok thanks
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16:26:28sidolinwhen i turn the clickwheel of my ipod to fast while scrolling in lists, rockbox jumps to the end of the list?
16:26:39sidolinhow can i turn off this behavior?
16:26:53sidolinjumping forward 10 items or so would be better
16:26:57louhow can you turn it on? :(
16:27:09sidolini didnt turn it on ;)
16:27:17loui want to have that
16:27:22loudidnt know its possible
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16:28:29sidolinbut it sucks to scroll through 300 artists with a speed of 5 artists/sec because otherwise you jump to the end of the list and have to start a new attempt ;)
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16:32:33sidolinok, found it
16:32:54sidolingeneral setting - system - ipod wheel ...
16:33:00sidolinand then adjust the values
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17:36:45San||Awayanyone got the old rockbox dev kit that they can send me?
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17:39:07linuxstb[San]: Do you mean this?
17:39:57[San]i didn't know that was still being hosted
17:40:25linuxstbI'm not sure if it still works though...
17:40:43[San]" the page cannot be found"
17:41:18linuxstbI'm looking at it now...
17:42:06linuxstbAh, the download link says that.
17:43:18[San]just last week, I had it on my H300.... and i moved it somewhere thinking I wouldn't need it but now it seems to have disappeared
17:43:44linuxstbA standard cygwin install (using the Rockbox-hosted packages) or vmware would work better anyway.
17:43:53linuxstbAnd now you have the wiki back....
17:44:01[San]i tryed that aswell
17:44:15[San]but the rockbox-hosted packages are down aswell
17:44:21[San]oooh, its back up now?
17:44:47linuxstbAbout 2.5 hours ago.
17:45:19[San]oh, ok... thanks
17:46:13linuxstbIf the Cygwin packages are still unavailable, let LinusN know - but I can't think why they would be unavailable.
17:48:33[San]works fine
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18:19:10Slasherihmm, initial stats gathering for tagcache integrated runtimedb should be finished soon :)
18:19:26Slasheristill no changelogs or good ways for user to generate smart playlist
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18:39:22BigMachi all
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18:50:31BigMacis anyone working on a video player for rockbox on an ipod 5g?
18:52:04BHSPitMonkeyit would be as crude as on any other player, it's not as if we have access to the 5G's special video hardware
18:53:22BigMacso that's a no? because if it did have a video player there would be no need for anyone to boot in apple os ever again
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18:56:53BigMacand ipl already has it implemented. and its open source so we could use it.
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19:08:29breakerIs their player running smoothly? Did you test it?
19:08:53BigMacanything is better then nothing
19:09:05BigMacif it isn't it can be improved
19:09:23BigMacbut otherwise it is some eyecandy for now:-)
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19:18:39BHSPitMonkeyiPL's video is uncompressed
19:19:04BHSPitMonkeyrockbox would need to play compressed video to completely replace apple os
19:19:29BHSPitMonkeyand to do that, it would need to understand and utilize the 5G's hardware completely
19:19:51BigMacim sure id still use it if it was uncompressed video
19:19:59BigMaclike i said any video is better then no video
19:21:18BHSPitMonkeya 22-minute tv episode would probably use 5GB as an uncompressed avi.
19:21:41BHSPitMonkeyand iPL doesn't play video on the 5G, either... just all the other models
19:24:48BigMacoh ok
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19:40:53amiconnBHSPitMonkey: How do you create a 5GB file on FAT/FAT32?
19:41:01amiconnThe file size limit is 4GB-1
19:42:37amiconn(and the _reliable_ limit for most applications is 2GB-1)
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19:59:43Slasheriah, initial support for runtimedb works :)
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20:00:13Slasherinow i created a search option playcount > "0" to tagnavi.config and it works :)
20:01:08Slasheribut only software playback engine has the support at the moment to generate events when tracks are unbuffered.. and even it seems to be little buggy
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20:02:45Slasheriother data is playtime (total playtime of the track) that is saved in the db. So with playcount and playtime combined, it should be possible to calculate some simple scores
20:03:28Slasherialso lastplayed (probably just an increasing unique number) will be saved later
20:03:41PaulJamnice :) will the new runtimedb also have a manual rating system?
20:04:12Slasheriprobably, but that is just some coding to the UI
20:04:24Slasheriat least it is very simple to implement at the engine level (just one more tag)
20:05:32Slasherilostlogic: playback engine seems not to generate track unbuffer events correctly when stopping the playback
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20:08:39Slasheriit seems next thing to do would be to extend tag browser search capabilities (with configurable sorting, limits etc) and add the changelogs to tagcache engine
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20:09:27oboSlasheri: are you using the audio_set_track_changed_event() ??
20:10:11Slasheriobo: at the moment just audio_set_track_unbuffer_event()
20:10:37Slasheriiirc, that event worked even when stopping playback with my original playback engine.. but it no longer seems to work
20:10:41Slasheribut i am not sure
20:10:58oboah, okay. How often does that one trigger events?
20:11:27Slasheriit should trigger only when disk spins up (buffering new tracks) or when stopping playback
20:12:18Slasherithen playback engine should call that event for all tracks discarded from the playback buffer
20:13:07Slasheriand currently archos playback engine doesn't support that event at all :/
20:13:34Slasherioh.. i was wrong
20:13:37Slasheriit does support that! :)
20:13:59Slasheriwell, then that's great. just need to fix the software playback engine
20:14:14obo"just" ;)
20:14:38Slasheri(and in fact it needs other fixing too, at least those crashes that happens all the time)
20:14:54oboI've written a patch for audioscrobbler support - I guess for it to stand any chance of being committed it will have to be part of the new runtimedb?
20:15:34Slasherihmm, probably it should use that runtimedb (tagcache interface)
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20:15:48Slasherithen it could be even a plugin retrieving the data from tagcache
20:16:43oboyup. One problem I saw when looking at the old runtimedb was that it only logged the number of times a track had been played, not the timestamp for each one
20:16:45Slasheriobo: btw, how did you solve the problem with timestamps on units without rtc?
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20:17:43obosomeone else wrote a perl script to submit the log file - for targets without RTCs it just uses the track length to count back in time, generating "fake" timestamps
20:17:43Slasheriobo: yep, new db will log lastplayed time too (probably that can be the real time retrieved from rtc on units which have that capability)
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20:18:20LandusDoes anyone know why there isn't a h3x0 section on the daily builds page anymore?
20:18:25tictricmy rockbox installation failed because I cannot get my ipod to boot into rockbox. It just showed an apple support link
20:18:32Slasheriobo: hmm, interestig
20:19:08oboI also needed to add an extra function to each playback engine to return the amount of the previous track that was played
20:19:08tictricis there something known to consider with the current download files?
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20:20:10oboLandus: It's on the page when I look
20:20:29obotictric: what kind of ipod?
20:20:45Slasheriobo: also, is it enough just to know the total count some track has been played and timestamp from the latest playback event?
20:20:57tictricobo: 5g, but I think I just found my error. hang on
20:21:26oboSlasheri: no - it needs the timestamp for each track (I also added a cut-down mktime to generate unix timestamps)
20:22:16Slasheriobo: yes, of course. but i meant if the same track has been played multiple times, would it be enough to know the last time only when it has been played?
20:22:33Slasheribecause logging multiple playback times for same track would be difficult
20:22:34oboSlasheri: hmm, to make that slightly clearer - it needs the timestamp for each time the track has been played
20:22:52Slasherihmm, true.. that would be hard to implement with tagcache
20:23:02Landusobo: Really? I only see a h1x0 section.
20:23:53Slasheriprobably the audioscrobler support should be integrated to the core with or without using the runtimedb data
20:24:44obowell, what I've done does that (just about ;) ) - it's just I can see it not being added...
20:26:02FebsLandus: It's there, between iriver H120/140 and ipod color/Photo.
20:26:51BigMacwhat image formats does rockbox open?
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20:29:09Slasheriobo: hmm, in fact i think probably the audioscrobbler support should be separate from tagcache because they need different data. Runtimedb is mainly used for track scoring and audioscrobbler data is not suitable for scoring, but it just contains log of all playback events with timestamp and the track without scoring or anything like that
20:30:07oboyup, adding scoring would break the spec, and I guess you don't really want to use plain-text files either
20:30:59Slasheritrue.. when those files get large, searching and statistical calculations would be much harder
20:32:21Slasheriand those files doesn't contain important information about the playback time vs song total length
20:33:16oboyeah. I'll leave my stuff as-is, and see what the feeling is after the thaw
20:33:55oboif you do end up using the changed_event(), I think there is a bug where it doesn't trigger for the first track in a playlist
20:34:14obo(at least on SW devices)
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20:34:40Slasheriah, more bugs :D i don't think i will ever need that event
20:35:02oboah, it'll keep then :)
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20:37:09adiamasso do we know what happened to the website/wiki that went away?
20:37:28Slasheriit was cracked
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20:37:34obobut it's back now
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20:43:09adiamasahh.. i was afraid of that
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20:50:27Slasherilostlogic: if you fix that, probably unbufferent events shouldn't be generated for the last track when playback is stopped, because that could lower the score of a track even if user likes that track
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20:54:12FebsSlasheri: with the runtime DB, will it be possible to do a query that returns ALL files on the player and then play the results shuffled? E.g. playcount >= 0
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20:56:57SlasheriFebs: yes, that is even possible already (on my test build)
20:57:22Slasheribut more complex sorting (for example sorting using the playcount tag) is not yet possible
20:57:48FebsI was just thinking of all of the people who want to be able to shuffle all songs on the player without having to first create a root.m3u playlist.
20:58:14SlasheriFebs: ah, they can already do that with tagcache
20:58:46Slasherijust select one track from the "All tracks" and playlist should be created instantly
21:00:53FebsThat's cool. I haven't used the tagcache much so I didn't realize it had this functionality. I'll have to put that on my list of things to add to the manual. It seems like a feature that many want.
21:01:03*Febs doesn't think it's a big deal to create a root.m3u playlist.
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21:01:41FebsBut if the functionality is there, we might as well let people know about it!
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21:13:09*goffa hasn't played with tagcache
21:13:20goffai heard it was more taxing on the battery
21:13:30goffaso haven't tried it
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21:21:49goffanot even sure how to turn it on on the h140
21:23:33FebsThere is an explanation in the manual.
21:23:50FebsAlthough it needs some updating in light of Slasheri's recent improvements.
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21:26:48goffai just found where to turn it on
21:27:10pican someone have a look as SF#5660 please/thanks
21:27:22piit is a simple fix
21:30:53goffadamn.. i need to tag most of my colection
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21:34:06sharpegoffa: and why is it untagged? hmmm? hmmmmm?
21:35:18goffai always view stuff by filename
21:35:31goffaand disable tags on everything :)
21:35:33sharpeme too, but mine's tagged.
21:35:51goffai'll have to find some prog to tag everything
21:35:55goffalinux prog
21:37:32PaulJam_if you find a good tagging program for linux, let me know (i haven't found a good replacement for mp3tag yet)
21:38:19goffawill do
21:38:31goffai'll have to find one first though :)
21:38:44adiamasi used one id recommend.. let me see if i can track down the name of it.. one sec
21:40:33adiamaswhile i think of it.. linux or windows?
21:41:03adiamasgoffa: what platform?
21:42:02goffai don't have a windows box anymore
21:42:03PaulJam_goffa: many people use easytag on linux, but i don't really like it.
21:42:17obohow about picard?
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21:43:47adiamasgoffa i recommed
21:43:53adiamasi was really happy with it
21:44:05goffacool.. i'll give it a shot
21:44:14adiamasits no longer in developement.. about a year and a half out
21:44:18adiamasbut i liked it when i was using it
21:44:19goffaif not that then picard
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21:46:45sharpei love it how my conversations with people via phones are either extremely short, or extremely long.
21:49:19goffai prefer them to be extremely short :)
21:49:54sharpethey're either on the order of minutes, or hours.
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22:03:12sharpehmm... cd crc errors suck...
22:06:09sharpewell, there are many minute scratches on it.
22:08:00S0apas long as there are no scratches in the reflective layer...given enough time, and enough effort, Brasso can work wonders.
22:08:41S0apOr you could forget secure mode, rip in burst mode, and manually cut out the snaps and pops caused by the scratches.
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22:10:00S0apthey show up clear as a bell when you view the waveform graphicly, and are only 1 or 2 samples long, so it's not like you are losing /much/
22:10:17sharpenot an audio cd. ;)
22:10:24S0apoh, nevermind.
22:10:33S0apwhy did you say "true" then?
22:10:56sharpeno real reason.
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22:12:25sharpehoorah. wiki.
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22:15:30sharpebah. time to rework the malloc().
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22:20:51LloreanFebs: I don't know if I've said it yet, congrats on being made a mod over at our forums.
22:25:56BigMacits a good day guys
22:26:08sharpeBigMac: any particular reason?
22:26:14BigMaci got rockbox set up to my liking and i got a steereo for my ipod
22:26:41BigMacthe only think that urkes me is i cant put on the rockboy patch without messing up my build
22:26:50BigMacbut i can deal without it i guess
22:27:13sharpeBigMac: what's happening when you patch it?
22:28:00BigMacnothing i was told that since i have jbuild on i couldnt apply the absoulute positoning patch without messing up/removing jbuild
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22:28:01BigMacand i like j build alot
22:29:25midkaysharpe, you mean "what happens when you patch it?" because it's nothing that *is happening*, it's something that happened before that he'll have to live with.
22:30:00sharpealright midkay.
22:30:05LloreanWell, applying absolute positioning won't mess up jbuild so much as require replacing it with a build you make yourself. Not too hard, and you can apply all the patches jbuild uses anyway
22:30:14*S0ap grows bored of eyecandy after a week and ends up turning it off.
22:30:39LloreanS0ap: There are people at misticriver who feel having 30 or 40 graphical themes isn't enough, because they switch several times an hour.
22:30:43LloreanI just don't get it.
22:31:03sharpeLlorean: they're insecure with their theme. :)
22:31:06LloreanOf course there are also people who use Rockbox primarily for Doom, so I guess the world is a very nutty place.
22:31:29S0apIf my ipod had a touchscreen like my palm-pilot, if i used it for more than playing music (like my palm pilot)...I would get more into it.
22:31:45S0apI am working on a WPS, but just for sh%^s and giggles.
22:32:04sharpeS0ap: we don't use hard symbols in here.
22:32:24S0apyou mean I can spell out sh%^?
22:32:41sharpehow would you spell out two letters and two symbols?
22:32:58S0apnow you're being a sarcastic bastard.
22:33:00Lloreanesss, ache, percent, carat.
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22:33:42PaulJam_maybe a strange codepage or something like that.
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22:41:31sharpeS0ap: my bad...? :-D
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23:25:58S0apnobody's bad.
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23:26:20dionoeaS0ap: thanks for the MusicBrainz thing :)
23:27:29|apo|Yay, wiki :D
23:27:33*|apo| dances
23:28:26S0apyw dionoea
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23:34:55Soaphow do I disconnect my ghost?
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23:46:16S0apty |apo|
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23:46:57|apo|Does anybody know of a decent mp3 recorder that won't ask me if I really want to save the file as .<not MP3>?
23:47:18|apo|Audacity's annoying, and I've only just started voicing my album dirs
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23:48:34PaulJam_maybe you could save them as .mp3 and batch rename them afterwards.
23:49:19apo`How? They'd all be in different directories...
23:50:25sharpeapo`: would, very carefully be a sufficient answer?
23:50:58apo`Not at all, no
23:51:04sharpethen i've got nothing.
23:52:13apo`I wouldn't even mind renaming all mp3s on the iPod, coz they're properly tagged and foobar works great for doing ID3 -> filename ^^
23:52:25apo`If that's what you were trying to tell me
23:53:13sharpenot at all.
23:53:19apo`Okay, then never mind
23:53:26sharpealright then.
23:56:16adiamasapo`: are you on windows or linux?
23:56:32apo`But I have cygwin
23:56:40adiamaswell. under cygwin
23:56:47adiamasi would just create all the files with .mp3
23:57:16adiamashmm.. let me get the sed right.. one min :)
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